The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 200 fine just [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► Jason L and in this episode we're going [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► to be talking about brad bird's 1999 [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► animated motion picture the movie made [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► before he made the incredibles it's the [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► iron giant it was a box office bomb but [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► it is universally loved by critics and [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► by many people out there and has had [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► quite a following after it left the [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► theaters that nobody the empty theaters [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► and went on and a home video where it is [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► is beloved we're going to talk about it [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► tonight [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► let me introduce the the panel that is [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► going to be discussing the iron giant [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► with me David laura is out there [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► hi David hello there good to have you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► Steve let's also out there hi Steve [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► hey there scout very nice everybody [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► drink some espresso and Tony sindelar [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► joins us tell me it's good to have you [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► hey squirrels in my pants Jason it's [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► climbing its way out of here yeah [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► everybody avert your eyes [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► John syracuse oh we we we have to when [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► we're talking about animated films we [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► have to have you here thanks for being [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► I like bread before was cool you know [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► yeah and I called in the big guns for [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► this one also somebody i enjoy talking [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► about animated movies with Merlin man is [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► back hi Merlin no I remember the raccoon [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► boy i love it when people come prepared [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► with references because i don't so I'm [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► glad you guys are picking up the slack [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► for me that this great so we I so like I [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► said 1999 brad bird made this movie [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► traditional animation it was costs like [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► 70 million dollars and made made 30 [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► million yeah ouch so so I don't know [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► quite where to start because i never do [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► with these things i guess i should ask [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► if anybody has any opening remarks to [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► give up this film because now would be a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► good time because it's the opening [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► nothing all right you did [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you've dragged it out of me haha oh [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that's harder than usual i don't have a [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► weii i do have a thing to start with and [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► the thing I think I thought of room we [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► watching this is that this movie we just [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► discussed this movie has a lot of [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► problems as a product because as a [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► product as as conceived it's a it's a [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► family movie you know for children and [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► adults set in a time period no children [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► will have any memory of or poor the poor [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► the parents of those children quite [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► frankly yeah or maybe that maybe it'll [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► be like their parents memories or [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► whatever and the the underlying themes [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► of the movie are it's not just arbitrary [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► the setting like that the themes of the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► movie are intertwined with this whole [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► Cold War setting and everything and so [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► and you know there's no cute animal [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► sidekick [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► there's no royalty there's no monsters [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it is yes it does not work well on paper [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► if you were to if you're goddamn right [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► it almost makes me that this movie got [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► made because it doesn't look like it [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► should work at all and truth be told [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► watching it back again some parts of it [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► work for fine for me as an adult I'm [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► like our kids ever gonna lie I kind of [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► understand why didn't make a lot of [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► money which is a shame because it's a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► great movie but it it [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► alchemist a little conceived but I just [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► think like boy how did he ever manage to [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► get this made while reading up on the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► production on the ever useful wikipedia [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► it sounds like just as they were ramping [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► up production on this thing quest for [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► camelot came out and did absolutely [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► horribly and kind of threw the whole the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► whole Warner Brothers animation studio [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► into whack and somehow that translates [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► to them not paying that much attention [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► what Brad Bird was doing on this [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► production and him being allowed to do [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► basically whatever the heck you wanted [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► not sure how that works exactly but it [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► was also originally conceived as a [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► musical if you can imagine what that [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► would be like well it was a musical as [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► sort of it p towns and put together the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► his his version of it which was supposed [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► to be it's been awhile since tommy was [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► out and I feel like producing another [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► horrible rock opera so [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► let me find this ancient this ancient [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► book by the guy who married sylvia plath [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and and we'll set that to music that [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► explains why des McAnuff is is credited [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► here too because they were the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► collaborators at the la jolla playhouse [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► in fact on on Tommy I and so that [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► explains why there inexplicably credited [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► as producers on this movie [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► well they did produce this for the stage [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► at one point at the what the old vic in [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► London or something [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► I think so yeah I i remember when the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► concert album came out because i was [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► working at a record store at the time [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► and and they had us put up a huge [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► display and nobody ever bought a single [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► thing come out there but you know we had [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► to play it and listen to it in the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► stores like Iron Man Iron Man and you [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► know it wasn't awful [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► I could see why nobody ever did anything [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► else with it but I guess brad bird had [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► so much free rein that at one point he [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► just decided to jettison all the songs [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► and townsend said whatever I got my [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► check it seems like it has a real [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► affection for the setting mode because [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► it's almost like a period piece where it [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► is it's not it's not incidental like he [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► almost makes you think like this is how [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► he grew up but he's not that old [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► right so it's not how here maybe that's [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► how his parents grew up but there's a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► real you know it really speaks to me out [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► on that level which is really weird when [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► I think about the person who made it in [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the intended audience [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► well this is also a love letter for the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► for the movies and the culture of this [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► period even if you didn't live through [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it i mean the idea that there's the it's [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► not just the Cold War setting but it's [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► the you know the war of the worlds [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► oh yeah when he's watching that [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► black-and-white TV that black-and-white [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► TV section I feel like it's the best [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► part of the movie like what's on the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► television screen and my daughter asked [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► if that was a real movie because she [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► wants to watch it with the stilted [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► dialogue in the brain that skills across [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the floor and the acting from the lead [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► male character in that movie and the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► maple commercial is a real ad from the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► fifties one thing is so great in these [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and you know you see it again in the [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► incredibles with Frank and Ollie [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► appearing in that as well is the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► absolute affection they have for the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► animation of that period as well you [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► know and how much this really could be a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► maple commercial in some ways some of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► the animation and all the care that [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► is it just you know one thing I noticed [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► this time is like everybody has glasses [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► the glasses are just a little bit tinted [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► they don't they're not just clear that [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► there's a lot of care put into to every [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► frame of this [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► yeah it's it's it's beautiful it is [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► funny that we've got the fifties his [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► Hogarth is our main character his mom as [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► a waitress in a diner Harry Connick is [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► basically a beatnik artists there are [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► lots of this is it main so you've got [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► sort of like the the the guys who work [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► on the boats and then you've got the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► guys with like the deerstalker caps and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the and the shotguns and you know where [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► all these types and it feels like you [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► know I having lived through the fifties [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► I i assume it feels like what depictions [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► of the fifties retro actively felt like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► and not what the actual he's felt like [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► but it definitely has that it is of a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► this is what you know this is a post-war [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► cold war story and and and it place it [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► up and I i really enjoyed it but you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know i'm not sure my kids really got I [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► mean we can't explain this is the Cold [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► War this is and they know what a beatnik [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► is alright but just the cold borrow the [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► culture war all these thing I mean they [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► say the word beatnik in the movie to try [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► to maybe give the kids something that [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► they can like us they could google it [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► back then the kids pick it up I mean [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► he's just he's a cool guy who lives on [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► his own in a you know a junkyard and [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► wears bathrobes and yeah and in many [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► respects like that the setting like we [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► just an hour you know how much care to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► put into setting but you could this [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► story is strong enough that you can set [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► it almost anywhere just gets reinforced [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► by this setting with the cold war stuff [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► but every every other part of the movie [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► like works like the story structure is [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► very sturdy is just the theme like put [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► it up on top of a mountain you can take [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► that same story structure and put it on [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the ground in any setting it would still [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► well I think you have a much easier time [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► selling the fact that the military is [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► willing to send a bunch of trucks and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► tanks out you know in the midst of the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► Cold War when Sputnik is just launched [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and they don't know you know they're [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► dealing with a big Russian invention or [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► death ray or something at this point [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it's definitely got this [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► this movie has got the at the start it's [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► a classic boys no boys dream street [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► fairytale kind of thing where it's who [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► what what kid in the fifties wouldn't [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► dream of giving as Home Guard says my [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► own giant roll [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► bot right so he finds this real body be [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► friends then there's a little bit of [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► that Mouse taking the thorn out of the [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► paw of the lion kind of thing happens [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► where he saves the iron giant from being [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► electrocuted at the power station and [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► convenient giant off switch that every [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► perception has outside that is a super [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► useful feature for your power plant you [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► have to have what is the master control [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► in case something happens and a giant [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► robot is caught in the power lines you [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► can just go Boop this as an insurance [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► thing in the fifties he had to have an [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► on-off switch [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► yeah you just run up to it yeah well [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► there was a fence the fence got knocked [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► down but you know that's true good point [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that will then it makes perfect sense it [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► was behind defense that's that's ok but [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► then the robot is sort of you know he's [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► somebody has shown him a kindness and [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► the robot obviously has no has no memory [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► we have no idea where the robot came [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► from there's no it's never explained [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► which I which I kind of love but that's [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► how the story starts as we mean Hogarth [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► we know that he's got a mom but not a [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► daddy you know she works really hard so [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► she leaves him to take care of himself [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► sometimes he had it he watches that [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► really hilarious Bob zombie movie [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► basically definitely that feeling of the [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► old black and white TV but his antenna [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► gets eaten so he has to go out on a on a [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► journey with and that's where he meets [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► the robot and that all happens up to the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► point where where the robot starts [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► following them around like a like a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► stray dog that he's collected it up to [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► the point where there's a train wreck [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► caused by the giant not being able to [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► put a try to eat the tracks and try to [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► put them back and then the train hits [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► any breaks up into a million pieces and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► i like how chill the engineers are after [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► that I mean the engineers literally hit [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► a giant monster at dark in the middle of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► the woods in Maine and the train derails [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► and the engineers like someone out there [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► everything ok hows it Collin he has seen [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► with bandages around his head afterwards [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► so perhaps he's just you know concussed [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► and that's the that's the the Cameo [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► right there right from the classic [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► animators of of Disney who we see again [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► in the incredibles yeah they were they [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► were what they call it the column circus [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► this like the seven old man nine old men [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► and they worked on Bambi and Dumbo and [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► maybe snow white pretty much everything [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► from the 32 the fifties amazing so they [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► invented you know the the 12 principles [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► of disney animation which are still talk [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► to this day those two work together on [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► the illusion of life is a really great [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► book written by the two of them that's [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► like that's a classic textbook in a lot [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► of animation courses so this is the the [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► the train wreck is what brings us are [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► our plot when the the the Fox Mulder of [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► ya can't Mansley appears on the scene [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► hehe is from some office of of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► Investigation he's from the Bureau of [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► unexplained phenomena yeah you only see [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► his car door briefly because his car is [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► then eaten and I have to say I mean [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► christopher mcdonald those voices he [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► does a great job with it but it is the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► william atherton role and he's doing [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► william atherton voice it's amazing he [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► sees like that he's totally like the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► nineties that guy i don't know i'm not [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► sure Atherton would have tried so hard [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► to ingratiate himself to the kid just [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► doesn't seem his style but after African [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► would have done a chloroform on the kids [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► oh yeah that's for sure [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► probably probably before even talking to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► him I don't know that the immigration is [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► so smart me when he tries to be so you [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► know so-called befriend Hogarth that you [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► never believe it [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► Hogarth doesn't believe it nobody [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► believes it is I i would say I think of [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► william atherton in something in [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► something like like Ghostbusters a real [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► genius especially where he he is he has [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► that ingratiating like is what we can [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► Ghostbusters what is the magic word [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► right but he doesn't mean that he is [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► just a jerk and Mansley is exactly like [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► that debts that's a good call [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► he's got that qualities at the quality [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► that I used to have somebody who thinks [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► that people like him any and yes you [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► have thanks yeah I easy text he also he [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► thinks he thinks he understands kids you [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► know when you meet somebody who's like I [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► understand he Spitz work you know me [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Ranger are you doing guru ji wrote I [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► wrote a bunch of those down thats great [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► tiger Slugger cowboy champion sure it [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► just [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► he's got a smile on his face and a lot [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► of movies every single one of the smiles [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► slightly different all incredibly [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► aggressive like his eyes are angry but [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► his mouth the smiling always good it's [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► good animation man's journey is is funny [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► too because he comes to investigate the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► same thing is a real thing and he he is [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► doing investigative work and he finds [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► that is a real thing and he calls the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► army in the army doesn't want to hear [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► him and that's when i wrote down that [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► he's he's the Fox Mulder of the of the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► fifties they don't want to believe him [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► but he he believes that he he's not [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► wrong but then his hit then he becomes [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► like uncontrollably obsessed and declaw [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► reforms the kid and and and later toward [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► the end of the movie he calls on calls a [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► nuclear strike against everybody else's [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► orders on a town in the United States [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the town that he's in you have a bit [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► extreme [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► at that point he kind of loses it and [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► the most important thing about about [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► Mansley of course is that Steven I'm [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► sure you appreciate this [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► he is the source of a long long string [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of poop jokes because he has fed [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► laxatives so many poop chicks [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► yes poop jokes are measured by a [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► buttload so that's appropriate [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► oh I did my favorite is that he crumples [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► up the laxative and demands milkshake [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► and he asks what it's called they said [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► it's called a landslide which of course [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► yeah but he's describing is describing [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► the is going poop poop [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► what's going through the air its goal [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that one he's got that there's that [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► there's that moment where he's got to [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► find that he's gonna find the bathroom [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and then and then later he's like behind [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► a bush and he's just like no I just [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► can't and and it's and it's not even [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► said it's just it happens and if you're [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► not paying attention you don't know [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► what's going on at its all sight gags [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► and I know that's the so anyway I was [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► amazed by that that's the that's a [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► beautiful thing that happens in the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► middle is that the the kid gets back by [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► make it making poop you know one thing [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► we didn't grab no from even from the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► very beginning and all throughout the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► film is how much this is so classic [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► Disney when it's done well it's like how [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► much care because into every character [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► like every minor character is is unique [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► they've each got their own funny [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► expression their own funny t throne [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► funny little quirks and way of talking [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► like my name is when you see those [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► little like a little you know exercises [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► where they're showing like how this [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► character is going to walk it does they [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► did [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► and then walk like this other guy like [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► everybody's got their own little thing [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► and it's I you know from the from the [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► from the end wash guy at the beginning [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► through you know that the guys in the in [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the diner like everybody you know to the [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► shore like everybody's got their own [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► little like tick you know [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► yeah i mean i actually had a hey it's [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► that guy moment with one of these [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► characters was like where we've seen [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that guy before a this is a cartoon I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► haven't seen him anywhere before but it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► felt like this is an invoice probably [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► was but it's like this is a character [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► actor [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► this is a face that I've seen in a [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► million things like the guy who's having [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► his car hood he has like two lines and [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► he's so memorable [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you know it has a large bite out that's [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► why i'm selling it [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► even the woman character like that the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► blonde waitress who has no lines i think [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it's just that comes out of the door one [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► point and that brushes against her [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► awesome like that yet they actually [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► manage our women who look different [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► which is apparently a difficult thing to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► do in modern animation when you've got [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the same character with different color [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► hair and makeup [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the blonde waitress I remember because [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► she is so like she's so incredibly [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► different from horse mom and so that and [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► she has no lines you know so just like [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► that except ever every character unique [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► and like each character is an [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► opportunity to do something fun with [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► animation basically i think the fact [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that Hogarth has uneven front teeth is [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the master stroke though that adds so [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► much character without means that he [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► doesn't have a lot of defining [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► characteristics but the teeth are enough [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► to just immediately get you on his side [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► there's also they do a lot with sound in [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► general i was noticing this time watch [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it by myself so little quieter in the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► room noticing like how much stuff in the [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► background you can hear conversations [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► like actual conversations that the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► waitresses are having and stuff like [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► a nice touch you can make out like those [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► words on the newspapers words on the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► television in the background with [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► people's conversations and they managed [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► to make it they know you're only gonna [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► pick up one or two words but they [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► managed to make them relevant to the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► setting or the plot events in some way [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the diner has like three different [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► conversations happening simultaneously [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► that if you listen they are all relevant [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► and they all lead into you know you can [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► hear the guys at the booth behind them [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► having that conversation the whole time [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► before they interrupt and it becomes you [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► know it's it is that's a great scene [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► although how they managed to discuss [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► anything with no ear holes is utterly [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► behind [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► yeah stylistic choice that's weird when [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► they're years or so big i was happy that [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► they all had they had ten fingers you [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► know not all cartoons have 10 fingers [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► did make their hands like a little [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► bigger because horse and look a little [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► bit comical but all the other features [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► exaggerated a little [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► some of the checkpoint on the breadboard [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► was born in 1957 so maybe this is not so [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► far off from his child obviously would [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► be an infant during this time and not a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► child but the thing that sets up the [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► eurosport yeah I know let that so the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► thing is the thing I was picking up on [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► for the memories of just being a boy in [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► anytime the kid thing details [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► one of them was when he has to distract [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► his mother by making a noise that we can [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► drag the big robotic hand through his [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► I has a coin and instead of just [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► throwing the coin into the other room he [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► did he flips the coin does anyone know [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► how to do that when you snap your [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► fingers and point your elbow the target [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► you want to hit snap your fingers [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► yeah he does that with the coin rather [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► than just throwing it and that's that's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► a kid thing to do a learning that [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► whatever when he dismounts his bicycle [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► riding to the junkyard at one point he [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► gets off on one side and glides while [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► standing on the pedal for a little while [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► there's no reason to do either one of [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► those things you could've just thrown up [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► any you could've just arrived on his [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► bicycle gotten off the normal way but [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► that's not what little boys do little [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► boys learn to do all these little boy [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► things and so you know those little [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► details really pull you into the setting [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► it and makes me think that like that [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► Brad Bird is if not drawing himself [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► drawing like parts of his own childhood [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I think about the first scene where he [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► appears in the diner and he runs up to [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the counter any jumps on the stool and [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► he doesn't think where he's talking with [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► mom and he's swiveling is like you know [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► torso back and forth on the on the on [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► the stool because you know he's a kid [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► he's not going to sit still while he's [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► talking to his mom he's going to be [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► fidgeting with everything i love his a [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► is child phone manners and the you know [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► formal but completely dead inside [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► hi this is Hogarth Hughes who's calling [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► please also if you want your mother to [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► leave you alone [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► what you do is go into the bathroom [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► again poop you go into the bathroom take [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► lots of grunting noises and Franco you [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► okay and there are five leave me alone [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► that apparently works for Mansley to ya [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► lot of poop jokes in this that's all I'm [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► saying let's see what else what else [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► should we talk about I mean we talked [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► about the giant [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► yeah he some pieces he's a piece of work [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► and I I didn't realize in the first few [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► times i watch this that he's cg while [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► the rest of the film is hand-drawn so [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► he's like the the spaceship in futurama [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► where he's ECG designed to look like cel [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► animation i didn't i didn't know that [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► the first time I saw it but now now I [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► see that but I saw a note today that [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► basically to make his motions fluid [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► would have been tough with ya his [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► movement is so fluid that it's clearly [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► computer-assisted I don't know the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► details of how how that works [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► so he sticks a wet say when they just [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► started doing this with the [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► incorporating cg in traditional [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► animation it was very difficult to get [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► it to look like it fits the beauty and [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the beast just the example right that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► the big dance scene and beauty and the [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► beast is a CJ scene but even beauty the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► beast that background is like oh now i'm [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► looking at something different or [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► Aladdin Aladdin at the cg carpet ride [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that is not incorporated well the Iron [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► Giant is incorporated amazingly well for [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► how early it came I think it's actually [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► incorporated better than futurama to [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► give another obviously TV budgets are [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► different than 70 million dollars for [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► movie but futurama you know is that the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► more modern examples everyone knows a [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► lot of the times you know the spaceships [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► and stuff [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► poke out yet cg like it's almost like [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► like you know your advice [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► John on how to set your TV so you don't [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► get that soap opera effect it's almost [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► like when you c cg stuff in cell [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► animation it looks too fluid there's [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► someone in miyazaki sometimes there's [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► one where was it howl's moving castle [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► now it was one of the ones with this big [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► Walking castle big walking structure and [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► it looks really cg you know it's too [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► smooth there's too many parts moving at [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► once it doesn't have any kind of like [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► jumpiness in the frame it looks out of [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► place didn't get that at all that's why [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► I couldn't tell it first [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► well so i'm princess mononoke that not [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► to return to miyazaki podcast on the the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► nightwalker with all done in CG and [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► miyazaki didn't like it and read it all [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► by hand or have them read it behind or [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► whatever so and you know it's it has a [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► high bar for that but the big thing if [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► you're looking for it if you're not [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► looking for like I wasn't looking if [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► it's in like it's a bad Matt job or like [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► it looks like a specular highlights but [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► nothing else does or whatever the big [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► thing to look for is that three things [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► rose perspective correct right so when [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► you rotate the camera around they look [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► exactly like they would for nothin where [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► is hand-drawn animation is not [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► perspective correct many cartoon [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► characters you know Charlie Brown [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► you know it's great example do not look [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► like any real physical 3-dimensional [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► object could look like from from various [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► angles and you have to transition from [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► this pose where we know what Charlie [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► Brown looks like to this pose and there [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► is no in-between that makes any sense [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► there was a 3d shape you model it and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► and you put the virtual camera on and it [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► looks it looks correct from every [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► possible angle so it's usually very easy [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► to pick out the 3d things even if they [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► do a perfect job of blending the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► textures but in this movie because the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► Iron Giant is an iron giant his [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► perspective correctness and his [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► proportions and everything works like [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► he's a robot he's not a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► wiggly you know [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► yeah squash and stretch disney animated [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► character he's a robot so we should look [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► like that and they just such a great job [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► with the detailing that he never looks [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► like he's popping out from the frame he [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► always looks like he's there before I [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► realized it was CGI on the robot I'd i [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► wrote the note that i was impressed and [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► how they managed to get the perspective [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► on the robot just right from down at [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► Hogarth's level because there are [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► several scenes that are taken from where [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► Hogarth sad and you're looking up at the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► giant towards his head and you really [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► get this amazing sense of how huge it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► must be from the perspective of the kid [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and I found that pretty impressive and [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► unless impressed now that I realized it [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► was a computer behind you should be so [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► impressed that they fooled you [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► that's what I'm I'm getting there is it [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► the fact that it didn't that it didn't [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► stick out like a sore thumb to be is [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► also impressive so I can't believe this [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► thing was I mean the couple things I [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► read suggested this was pretty [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► constrained he had to pull in people [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► from CalArts to help out with some of [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► the animation if this does not feel like [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► a rushed movie to me [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► I mean you know maybe thank God for [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► quest for camelot that you could get the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► poop jokes in but you know it's amazing [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that I you know I thought it felt like [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the everything he wanted probably got [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► into this even the Dean unzipping his [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► pants and unleashing the squirrel which [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► I didn't get the studio has been paying [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► attention might not have made it to the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► final cut and the opening scenes where [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► they had the they have the giant waves [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► in the opening scene the waves of water [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► and that that's always expensive to do [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► anything with water but the fact that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► they opened the movie with that I think [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► they went back to her like that's and [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► they did the waves are all so CG because [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► you know that I maybe that was cheaper [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► to do that but in 1999 saying you're [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► going to open your animated movie with [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► sequins in the water that was really [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► good water for 1999 yeah i mean it was [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► there with stylized fit in [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► the rest of the movie but I it doesn't [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► like you said does not look like a movie [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► where he was like time or budget [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► constraint because you would just like [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► you know you would have just drawn that [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► from the perspective inside the boat and [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► had rain lashing is the window instead [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► of spending all this money on a CG waves [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► so Jon I am obviously saw this movie [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► many times before i ever saw castle in [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the sky and when I saw castle in the sky [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► I thought hey nice robot I wonder and I [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► assume that this is a huge influence on [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► Brad Bird for doing the orange and I [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► know that the probably it's possible [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that the book that the ted hughes book [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► influenced castle in the sky I don't [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► know but the the certainly when I saw [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► castle in the sky I thought oh I felt [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► very iron giant e to me because it is a [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► long tradition of big giant robots in [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► japan so I don't think you can pinpoint [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► anyone influences that [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► design-wise the bucket head the [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► trapezoid chest the sort of simplified [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► design may be contractually I forget who [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► among the pic sorry and people are the [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► rabbit miyazaki fans and who merely just [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► like him so i don't know i can offer you [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► can draw a straight line but we can look [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► it up after the show and it certainly [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► reminded me of that but I don't know [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► what the influence is that's the robots [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► that like guard the garden [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► yep yeah yeah it did I immediately saw [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► that in gas on this guy [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah I came to mind anyway now [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► there's a statue my twelve-year-old took [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► one look at it before we watched it and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► so this is like a giant alien Rock'em [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► Sock'em robot right as well kind of [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► he just overcomes programming but but he [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► immediately was like picking out [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► different robots that had been reminded [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► him of the garment the night when I see [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► the end part of this movie I think of [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► Brad Brad Bird school notebooks because [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► during that this is not the point of the [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► end of the movie but just another detail [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► at the end of the movie when he went all [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the guns come out research bristling [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► with weapons the weapons the heat that [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the iron giant has inside him are [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► interesting and imaginative at to the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► point of like the things that kid some [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► kid with doodle in his notebook it's not [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► just like a series of godlike the [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► articulated arms or the little the [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► little thing where he fires off shots in [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► different directions by it [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► I intersecting the spinning disk with a [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► little needle type thing that sends them [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it shoots it like a revolver like a [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► Western revolver like ticket yeah I [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► could totally see that on Brad bird's [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► peachy folders back right baby could [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► have spent ok a bunch of guns come out [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► and now he's in battle mode or whatever [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► it's like no there's like we gotta think [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► of seven awesome imaginative weapons and [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► they got one give me with the War of the [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► Worlds type B me snake things on the [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► head but everything else they did was [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► fairly original and interesting and is [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► on screen for a split second is not [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► important to the plot of the movie but [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► clearly a lot of thought went into what [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► is the payoff of seeing that the Giant [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► is a weapons platform and that he has [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► made 44 destruction that is the payoff [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► but you're right it's there for a second [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► and then we don't see it again i think i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think that's a big that's a big part of [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► the movie on multiple watchings for me [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► is minorities awareness but like what [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► the robot knows you know I I like you [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► Jason I like the fact that i don't [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► really know where he came from or like [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► why he doesn't know what he's for but i [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► don't know i make no sense that dent in [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► the head in space or the answers by the [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► well the only the only issue with that [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► and it's not really addressed by the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► film and obviously 44 clear reasons we [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► are totally screwed as soon as more of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► these robots show clap now they're all [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► friendly just don't shoot them they'll [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► be fine [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► I I assume it's a planet i think it's a [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► planet hulk situation I think he got it [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► ended up falling off and ending ending [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► up in the wrong place but I but you know [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► I mean to me that becomes some more [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► poignant because it's not so different [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► from the Cold War mentality of like hey [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► listen I don't want to be a monster I [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► don't want to kill anybody but if [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► somebody shoots at me I'm going to [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► destroy their country [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► yeah no I think it's pretty clear that a [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► robot that's loaded down with that many [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► different kinds of weapons is not a [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► peace-loving robot well or but he's a [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► defensive robot though he's he's his job [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► is to go somewhere and and be a guard or [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► defend I guess any or maybe till he's [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► activated but i liked i think that work [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► says I don't know for me that worked as [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► an analogy for the cold war in some ways [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► to which is nobody thought they were a [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► monster at the time nobody thought that [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► what they were doing with arms as [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► escalation was something that was gonna [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► you know in danger generations of people [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► they thought they were doing what they [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► had to do because they knew so little [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► about what the other side was doing [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► we've got it we've gotta get [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I'll get all these guns otherwise you [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► know we're gonna be dead and that not [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► knowing what's going on i think really [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► feeds into that Cold War paranoia that's [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► what made a paranoia is we didn't we [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► didn't know what a shambles to see the [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► inn was you know [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► yeah I think that's why the the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► emotional bit at the end of this movie [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that will eventually get through the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► reason why i think that works or at [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► least it works for nerds of our stripes [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► i can include us all into this is that [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► if you identify with the robot not [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► Hogarth but the robot that is a lot of [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the emotional payoff at the end of the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► movie because you know it's kind of an [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► edward scissorhands situation you know [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► who you know what alienated child has [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► not felt that they are large capable of [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► mass destruction but ultimately [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► misunderstood and being shot at by [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► everybody and you know you don't like [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► that's at by the end of the movie where [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► identifying with the robot [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► we're not thinking of ours anymore and [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► that's yeah that's maybe why this is a [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► cult classic and not a widespread movie [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► because maybe you need a certain kind of [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► disposition or childhood experience or [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► both to identify with the robot in this [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► movie I would also like just to clarify [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► for my own purposes we differentiate the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► end of the movie and the ND Mick [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► and-and-and of the movie because I got [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► some thoughts on all right two things I [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► don't like about this movie I'd like to [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► return to but you know yeah i mean the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the entire like what should have been [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► the end of the movie absolutely [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► staggering you know you think the cat [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► should be talking at this point is what [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► you say [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► time for a break for me to tell you [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► about our sponsor and this we have a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► brand new sponsor incomparable is being [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► brought to you by drobo very happy to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► have drobo as sponsor what is drobo [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► drobo is a family of storage products [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► they give you big storage fast storage [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► and protected storage protected against [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► hard drive failure storage that's easy [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► to add to when you need more capacity or [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► easy to replace if something goes wrong [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► now let me tell you for years I have had [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► a mac mini server in my house i'm on my [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► second and third now of the upgrades [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► over time and that's where I store all [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► my media fly [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► yells all my junk that especially as a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► laptop user I don't have the space on my [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► macbook air for this sort of stuff i [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► have it on my server it's also attached [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► to my TV so i can play some stuff back [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► on my TV right there from the media [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► server runs music server lots of things [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► and about two months ago I attached a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► drobo 5d to it because previously I had [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► attached a whole chain of Thunderbolt [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► and firewire and USB hard drives over [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► the years i ended up with his motley [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► collection of i think i have three [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► external drives and they've even got [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► their own power plug and then they're [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► chained together and some of them are [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► kind of finicky and then if the power [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► goes out one of them is off and doesn't [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► come back on until I press that button [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and it was a mess and I replaced it with [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► one thing the drobo 5d it is this cool [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► black box with me lights on it you can [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► control and you can turn them off you [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► don't want to see the lights and you [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► slide drives into it and it shows up as [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► in this case a single drive i have this [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► single amazing 17 terabyte drive waiting [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► for me but more impressively than that [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► if i wanted to pop out one of the drives [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► let's say one of the drives goes bad [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► hard drives to go bad from time to time [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► I don't lose any data because drobo is [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► protecting against hard drive failure [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► it's got this amazing system where it's [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► writing the trade data to multiple [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► places so if your hard drive dies you [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► pull it out you put in a new drive drobo [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► works to repair all the all the problems [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► and you're back in action i've been [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► using it a lot of the 5d the model but [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► i'm using attaches to my mac mini server [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► i'm on a gigabit ethernet network here [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► at home I take all my incomparable [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► project files when i'm done night I [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► dragged him over the network drop them [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► onto the drobo superfast all my media [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► files are on there it's it's great i [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► really love it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it has a thunderbolt which is how i'm [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► connecting also has a USB 3 interface [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► there are other dromos to there's drobo [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► mini which is much more portable [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► it's a about three pounds it can it can [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► have up to four two and a half inch [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► drives and there's also the drobo 5n [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► which is a network version of what I've [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► got [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► it'll actually attached to your TV and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► stream video to your TV using plaques [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► and it also just attaches to your [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► network so if i didn't have my server [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► I'd probably get the drobo 5n and use it [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► as my network server my target for time [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► machine and my media jukebox that's [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► pretty cool and you can also add a an [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► msata SSD accelerator which accelerates [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► reading by adding a little SSD into the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► equation and sort of cashing your files [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► and making it even faster than before so [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► drug has been around a long time the [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► first Robo launched in 2007 it's come a [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► long way since then [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► now they're super fast attached to your [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► network or attached to thunderbolt and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► there's even a mini version that small [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► and portable and yet full of great [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► storage plus protecting your data [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► against drive failure which is key [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► because drives are going to fail like [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► human beings drives are mortal [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► anyway here's what you need to do you [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► want to check out the Robo go to drobo [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► store.com dr OBO store.com [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and here's the offer code to use for [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► fifty dollars off either the drobo 5d or [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► the drobo 5n offer code smell [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► yeah that's a good one my name put in my [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► last name he had fifty dollars off [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► either the dribble five-year the drobo [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► 5n at drugstore.com and thank you so [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► much to drobo for putting a single box [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► with all my stuff on it in my house and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► for sponsoring me uncomfortable i wanted [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► to mention a couple a couple gags that I [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► really liked early 11 game that I like a [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► lot is the when hoegaarden Dean Hogarth [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► eventually takes the robot to dean at [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the junkyard and there's that moment [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► where we're first Hogarth drinks [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► espresso and is bouncing off the walls [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► which I really like and you get all of [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► his backstory and that mean that 32nd [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► minute everything you ever learned about [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► Hogarth you get in 30 seconds well he's [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► hopped up on espresso [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► his name is Dean we like Dean is a very [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► nice line and then there's the really [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► funny things like nope nope no way see [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► forget it see you later cut to 37 [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► minutes later alright that's a really [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► nice guy like he can stay scene is also [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► really chill just like those engineers [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► he's there's there's some kids sneaking [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► around is scrap yard in the middle of [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► the night he's like come on in its main [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you know gonna come hang out with this [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► crap art or scrap artist and have some [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► expresso will hang around my kimono i'm [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► totally i'm totally not creepy you know [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► you can't trust the man from the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► government and that child grew up to be [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► Stephen can [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► yeah you know the yeah I like that [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► though there is that feeling of like [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► this is a town where people don't lock [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► the doors and you know and it's and it's [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► like sure kid whatever I mean and I [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► really feel it's like I know who your [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► mom is I know where you live you know I [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► go to the diner it's fine whatever [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► what's going on and he's cool he's cool [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► about it he doesn't have any chloroform [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► that he's staring first person he was [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► paying enough attention that he offered [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► him espresso and not something else at [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► least this is interesting though in that [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's a pg-rated animated movie where [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► they they clearly reference alcohol in [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► several occasions like they accused the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► old codger at the beginning of being [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► drunk on whiskey or beer when he sees [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► the giant robot and then later you see [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► the general sitting in his room watching [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► some Western rather on TV while Mansley [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► talks to him and he's got some whiskey [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► neat sitting on sun the side table next [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to him in general i like I always liked [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► when is a rational military person so we [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► have we have immensely being all the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► crazy a detergent i think but the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► general for the most part [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► John Mahoney he's totally reasonable I [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► mean he sees a little bit excitable but [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► in the end is like he wants to not harm [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► children he doesn't want to nuketown [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► main like he's got you know that's what [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it takes to be reasonable [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► yeah I know everything or even when or [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► even when the guy calls him up assistant [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► giant robot is like stop bothering me [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► yeah i need to actually you need some [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► evidence i'm not getting out of my chair [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► until there's an actual robot not just [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► tales of her about whereas if he was [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► like a robot we got you know this if [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► he's not as cartoonish as he could be [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► yeah i like i like ammonia at the end he [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► is very clearly acting rationally hehe [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► he doesn't believe that the crazy robot [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► talk at the front and then at the end [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► it's very clear you know this movie [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► would have been a much lesser movie i [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► think if everybody in the town [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► misunderstands once lighting robot [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► doesn't becomes an angry mob and all of [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► that we have to kill the robot [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► united and no it's like he saves the kid [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► who's fallen the kids were falling off [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► the building and because they're looking [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► at him but he saves those kids and what [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► actually seems awfully miyazaki esque as [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► yes there's no ticker-tape after he [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► catch them up so there's that but you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► know and everybody's like everything [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► like yeah we know yeah the robot and and [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and the generals like this is not what [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you know this is not what we thought it [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► was that we know we're not gonna we're [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► not going to do this I enjoy that after [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► Mansley orders the launch he uses his [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► last couple minutes on earth to like to [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► him out right [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► he's like I don't think a little bit of [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► time here i want to make sure that you [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► know how dumb you are before we die or [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► are making sure he can escape as if you [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► could drive away in gbg fast enough to [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► escape the do the oncoming nuclear blast [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► but he's looking for something to duck [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► and cover under I think there's nothing [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► out of the town square that he can hide [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► underneath this is the the cartoon [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► version of the add-on for Red October [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► you know you've murdered us it's not you [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► fool [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► but you know it's all okay in the end [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► what else before we get we shouldn't you [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► know get the end yet what else do people [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► i already talked about poop jokes that [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► was key that i bring up poop jokes i [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like i like the way their relationship [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► evolves you know there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► i was you know willing to well I'm not [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► like super critics but I was willing to [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► overlook you know a lot of stuff about [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the skepticism like the town's not that [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► skeptical that a robot just save these [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► kids the mom seems to warm up to the [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► robot pretty fast I was okay with all [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► that because i love the way that Hogarth [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► and I mean you know really the heart of [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the film the middle of the film so much [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► of it is about their relationship and [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► how quickly the robot is is getting this [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► new culture and I think that's a lot [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► really where the heart of the movie is [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► the you know beating heart of the movie [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► is you know getting the idea of Superman [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► and understanding you know this new [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► world that he's in I thought that was [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► that was all really well done and doing [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► it in this little steps and you know [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► doing the Cannonball and all that stuff [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► I thought that was really well done the [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► superman vs at amo thing is brilliant to [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► write because it's visit robots are [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► supposed to be the bad guys and and not [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► only is that a piece of pop culture from [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the from the fifties like here's a [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► superman comic book [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► let's let's read it [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► trying to teach you about life on Earth [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► by showing you about this Superman an [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► evil robot which is not life on Earth [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► but you know it and and that he's like [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► no tomm Oh Superman beautiful [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► yea even even after showing the lesson [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► howarth wants to play act that game and [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► fourth wants to be the good guy wants [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the robot to play the bad guy the robot [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► feels bad about playing the bad guy [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► because he doesn't want to be the bad [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► guy when that was one of my favorite [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► moments was not not just that you have [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► where he showing the comic books and [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► saying here Superman and here's Tom oh [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► but he also shows them the spirit which [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► is almost a throwaway moment [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► its just oh and here's the spirit here's [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► another good guy but you know the it's [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► very thematic because he's a hero who is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► thought to be dead and he wakes up from [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► suspended animation and just becomes a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► hero and it was just a really nice sort [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► of subtext great there and it's like oh [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► and then we'll go into Superman is that [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► a DC comic it is now the most the most [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► recent one the most recent book by [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► Darwyn Cooke was a TC book right but [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that's a classic it's a classic [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► oh yeah that's from the forties yeah [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► okay that we should talk about the band [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► be seen there is a beautiful deer that [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► they spot and that that comes up to the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► iron giant he touches it snows and it's [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► this really nice thing at least skittish [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► dear of all time of all time know they [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► are obviously feeding the deer in Maine [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► they're feeding it by hitting them by [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► hand well I mean we see that you know [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► like that dear doesn't you know it's [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► gonna have some light lifetime issues [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► with how far it's gonna make it [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► there's a big summer in florida subject [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► metal nipple that delivers dear food and [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► that's why he's not freaked out when the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► gigantic fingerprint approaches knows [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► maybe dear aren't afraid of robots only [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► living things and maybe he has hearing [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► issues it's unclear yeah so then so then [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► the deer dies and and Hogarth is put in [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► the position of trying to explain like [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► death and other issues of the you know [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► death and what happens to us when we die [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► to this giant robot from outer space [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► which is fascinating to see a an [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► eight-year-old kid trying to explain [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► these these weighty matters to a robot [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► who basically doesn't even understand or [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► at least compared Lee speak any words [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► well he's trying to figure out whether [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► robots die is like well I guess you your [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► cut your mission [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► I mean but you have feelings and like a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► lot of robots he doesn't thinking out [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► loud which you know maybe not realistic [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► but it's good for the movies where he's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► talking about when he first finds the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► robot [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► alright so what I can bring to my mom no [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► no get the screaming problem again [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► really just you know that we don't do [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► that that's what makes people shoot you [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you know so like he's he's going to the [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► same thing when he gets asked this but [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► the robot are to explain death is like [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► no are you alive [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► guess you're alive yeah you're alive you [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► say you're probably died too [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► there's really a lot of exposition in [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► this film with the characters sort of [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► explaining what they're doing as they go [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► which normally I find kind of irritating [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► but in this case I was watching with my [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► seven-year-old son and there was a lot [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► of stuff I didn't have to explain to him [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► and it wasn't just over-the-top [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► irritating kind of a you know i am now [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► going to go to the bathroom kind of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► stuff that was one like that he didn't [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► like when her off its not going to snow [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► that what's-his-name says he's [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► unconscious but he's ok right grant got [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► established in one line [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► yeah he could he could have a traumatic [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► brain injury who knows no no he's fine [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► well you just need to move the plot [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► along you need you need the road to [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► think he's dead you need the audience to [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► realize he's ok I mean I think that's [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► kind of the best part of the movie is [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► all the stuff we're Hogarth is you know [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► he's talking to us-based talking to the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► robot and the robot the Giants not going [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► to say anything excited you know it's [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► not Lily's not verbally and look funny [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► robot guttural things but it works [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► really well and I think part of it is [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the animation is great if you watch [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► those scenes again yogurt is Hogarth is [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► so kind of exaggerated and expressive he [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► talks with his hands in a way that I [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► don't think any children actually do but [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► it works really great i mean what one of [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► the things you can kind of do in terms [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► of like evaluating how effective that [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► animation is you know watch it with the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► sound off in terms of seen you know what [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► does he communicate with his body [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► language that matches up with what he's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► saying there's also just kind of looking [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► at him as like a silhouette he does so [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► much with his hands and like away from [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► his body on the totally conveys what's [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► going on and you know makes those things [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► interesting and not just exposition [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► about what's going on [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► it's also the look of somebody who's [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► trying to teach somebody who doesn't [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► understand your language is that [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► involuntary like you start getting into [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► the body language trying to like gesture [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► your way to understanding and that's [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► what Carter is doing with the with the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► giant of a lot of points I think I [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► thought the scene where the robot was [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► imitating him worked on a lot a lot a [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► lot of levels because it was it was a [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► shortcut to helping us understand that [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► the robot we know was a learning machine [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► it could pick stuff up and it was trying [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► to emulate him and but it also sort of [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► showed that he wasn't threatening you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► know what i mean and also the great [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► animation of like the weight of the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► robot like blink landing you know to to [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► imitate Hogarth beautifully done [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► I love that where he sits where he sits [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► down the exact such an amazing little [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► little bit for all that that helpful [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► exposition sort of help my son get it as [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► because he was going along i think the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► deer scene was maybe a little too [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► weighty for the seven-year-old his [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► response at that point as the deers [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► lying there and that the two rifles are [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► lying in the snow next to him he turns [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► to me and says that would be cool if you [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► picked up those guns and attach them to [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► himself and then when something bad [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► happened he'd go people watch tonight [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► with a nine-year-old the twelve-year-old [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► and they loved it but the nine-year-old [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► was wrapped from the first the first [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► scene is watching Hogarth getting [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► knocked unconscious as a little rough to [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► right i mean that's like I mean because [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► it's a kid and it's the protagonist that [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► feels a little you know this is why you [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► need to have parental guidance they [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► suggest parental guidance so guide he [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► got it immediately you know it's like [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► right right in that moment he's like but [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► the robot saved him [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► this well yes keep watching they also [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► have to have the robot like I mean it is [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the so many it's not a lot of fat in [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► this movie that's there for no reason [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► like the train crashes to establish that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the little parts come back together [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► which will be important at the end of [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the movie The Moron doesn't like and the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► poking of the deer that one of the year [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► is dead like he goes to touch it is like [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► I don't touch it or he was about to like [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► stand it back up which i thought would [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► have been hilarious but me also another [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► program for kids movie but he does the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► same gesture to her when her brothers in [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the snow he goes to touch him and he [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► does the same little motion and hope [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that doesn't move and you know he [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► doesn't understand the difference [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► between unconscious and dead or whatever [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► I you know that shorthand a lot of a lot [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► of economy of motion there they they get [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► things out that's why I think the plot [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► is really well structured like this [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► looks like we talked about Pixar's you [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► know brain trust and everything this [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► this looks like a movie that had gone [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► through a lot of story beat [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► polishing to say we got this this this [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► and it all fits together into a nice [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► beautiful puzzle and you know there's [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► and and everything is there for a reason [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and it all works in it you know it's not [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► overly Telegraph that were insulting the [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► intelligence the audience but it is [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► clear enough that even a kid will get it [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and you can have a gentle the robot is [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► like the the he gets that this is [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► something he needs to protect maybe like [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► the dairy cups in his hands even when he [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► like puts his hands down to have whole [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► earth walk out of his hand like his [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► fingers like turn into a little ramp [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► that Hogarth can walk down you know it [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► doesn't think I can just all drop them [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► from 10 feet and he'll be fine [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► it's it's got a general quality inn and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► that's part of what's amazing to me [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► about the animation is how much the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► robot is in the movie it isn't just like [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► this but there's a shot of a kind of [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► rubber suit over here [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► I mean he really is he's interacting [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► with everybody and you know understands [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► almost like a massive if you ever known [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► like a really large dog a dog that's [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► like really aware of how big it is in a [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► room he seems a little bit like cowed by [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► how big he is and how powerful he is [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► compared to these little people really [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► warming up to the idea that he is that [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► his actual purpose is something that is [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► like a guard and you know because I what [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► I don't want to really believe is that [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► he is a killing machine that is you know [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► about just being sent places in the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► universe to slaughter people that well [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► if he were it would have been a really i [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► mean and i agree with you because i [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► think it worry I mean that would have [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► been a movie he would have he would have [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► been war of the worlds and he would have [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► looked for the weakest thing he could [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► destroy it anytime [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► that's the whole point of the the dent [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► in his head he's he lands on his head [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► and he ends up you know violating his [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► programming because he's temporarily my [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► name is the self-determination think [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it's like you choose what you are if you [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► are just a thing than someone then it's [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► just like an animated gonna have a bad [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► guy has the gun has bad things with a [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► good guy has a gun it is good that you [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► know everybody if you are not just a gun [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► if you're not an amateur object then you [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► have a choice about what to do and what [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► he's fighting against his you know he's [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► a programmer or whatever is defensive [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► and that even if you choose to be a good [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► person or even if you are a good person [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► in your heart if you if your eyes turn [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► into little red tits right every time [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► points good you're getting active the [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► Cold War things like oh yeah now we're [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► all good people but don't point a gun to [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► me because then I turn into the giant [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► crazy thing with the million [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► you know laser-shooting snakes coming [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► out of my shoulders and and and that's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that's why it's important that every [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► time he does that is because it is [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► purely defensive reaction he's not going [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► out there and hunting things and that's [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► why I like to believe that the dentin [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► his head is to have him lose his mission [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► and not know where he's supposed to be [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► here who he is but I i would like to [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► believe that the United again we are [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► arguing about the personality of a giant [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► metal the creature but i like it on time [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► ya sure ya later we'll talk about the [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► real robots so I'd like to believe that [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► the that the giant isn't fundamentally [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► is a defender I think that's a really [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► good way to think that he acts he [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► responds with lethal force when attacked [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► but he's not going out and seeking [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► things to destroy and so I like that [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► thought that this is a creature that's [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► built with huge armaments but you know [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► is not fundamentally we see he is not [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► fundamentally a destroyer of things he [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► he only acts when he's when he shot at [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► now I think that's something that's [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► plausible like you be he might be shot [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► out like a decent part of some [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► intelligent alien force you might be [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► shot out to some planet where we don't [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► know what's gonna happen [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► hey listen don't shoot the place up [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► unless somebody's shooting at you and [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► then that's something we need to know [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► about and you need to defend I think [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's sensible alright well either way [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► we're totally screwed because even if [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► he's a defensive weapon [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► what are the odds that for five more of [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► these things land on Earth and they are [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► shot and it stays worry it came here [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► accidentally but I think he's an [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► offensive weapon and i think that the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► reason that's like the defensive stuff [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like your reflexes if you touch [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► something hot like you can't that's not [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► gonna come out of you from getting a [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► knock in the head but you forget your [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► programming so he's essentially you know [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► forgotten what his programming mission [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► is and could be commanded to be an [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► attack robot I think that's what he is [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► an attacker but underneath it all is the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► well you don't defend yourself so the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► defensive stuff is still there and at [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► the end when he gets really mad because [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► they killed Hogarth the dent pops out of [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► his head and after that he's ready to [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► shoot Hogarth fourth is not a threat to [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► him heart's not pointing got an empty [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► was about the blast him until Hogarth [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► you said you choose you have to choose [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► who you are so on and so forth so I i [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► totally think he's an offensive weapon [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► on the planet that he came from or [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► whatever it's just that programming and [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► Adam and all that was left was like the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► brainstem kind of if you are threatened [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► by something looks like a gun and what [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► and you know what a gun looks like 200 [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► baht you react but at the end he goes [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► full bore offensive he's destroying [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► everything in its path including almost [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► home birth because his anger you know [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► pops a dent out of his head in typical [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► animation exaggerated fashion always [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► pretty good about targeting the the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► tanks and the military vehicles and [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► things and not taking out buildings and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► whatnots GI joe people check just in [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► time you know [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► yeah well you know he's he's not [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► Superman at least the man of steel [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► superman because he actually takes care [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► of buildings John you know I i we can I [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► like i said i would like to buy I like [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► this idea of trying to believe that he's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► not a killing machine although that [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► definitely is a perfectly reasonable [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► interpretation i only mention this to [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► mention that in a chat room we have an [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► opinion that the Iron Giant is actually [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► a Love Machine and i think i just wanted [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► to put that out there i think that's [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► wise words wise words that's a different [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► really know what I've seen that movie [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► I i want to mention a couple of things [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► while we're talking about a giant so we [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► got to talk about Vin Diesel I think you [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► know is this vin diesel's greatest [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► performance or only you know well now it [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► we'll find out next month Groot yeah [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► pitch-black pitch-black is pretty good [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► pitch black is good I bet he's gonna be [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► a great group I got a good feeling [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► sure similar number of lines yes you [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► know so he's good in moderation or in [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► lots in quantity both really versatile [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► but it's it's a great i mean you need a [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► rumbly you need a rumbly robot voice and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► Vin Diesel provides a great rumbly robot [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► voice for the iron job he says voice is [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► so process though he has so few lines in [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► it so process that the animation does [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► most of the acting from a tiny did a bad [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► job or anybody's he's buried in this [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► movie and yet one of his best [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► performances this is what I'm saying [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► it's supposedly they wanted to have like [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► a purely mechanical voice but then they [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► decided I i feel like i can hear a voice [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► in there one of the wacky things in this [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► movie that I want to mention is Bogaerts [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► sleep off with Mansley it haha one one [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► step above a staring contest is the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► they're both across the hallway from [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► bowing to stay awake and not let the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► other one have the upper hand by being [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► awake but so brilliant know how it [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► incorporates like the helm [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► that we've been seeing him where his [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► dad's helmet like how great is that [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► yeah and then at the end Mansley it has [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► has 1 and then he falls asleep he falls [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► asleep and wakes up and sees the whole [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► car still in his bed and goes haha our [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► morning can then he walks by this [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► morning got a loud laugh from myself [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► what might my gag my favorite gagging [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► the movie is when you open can't is on [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► the phone with the with the Frasers dad [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► and and freaking out and he staring at [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the oven mitt with the wacky face like [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► making like the goofy face as if to say [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► don't you tell me I'm crazy flips the [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► oven mitt around such a perfect note [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► when John was talking about how compact [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► this movie is I just wanted to bring up [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► the fact that it's it's refreshing after [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► to a two-and-a-half-hour animated films [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► to encounter one that gets it done in [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► one and a half hours it's it's amazing [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► i've been for a while watching this film [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the first time for the first time in I [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► don't know 15 years or whatever it's [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► been like man that there wasn't that [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► much to that movie and it took me a [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► while to realize yeah that's fine [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► they didn't need anymore everything [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► that's in this movie is in here for a [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► reason and that's it there's not a bunch [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► of fluff and there's not a bunch of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► extra gags turn in for no reason it's [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► fairly light on the gags even though the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► ones that are there good and involve [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► poop generally but the last film that i [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► watch for this for this podcast with [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► 1776 haha how did how does that compare [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► you to watch this movie back forward [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► then backward and then forward again the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► poop jokes aren't quite as good [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► that's true but the poop songs are [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► amazing but but you can actually get [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► through this movie without having to [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► poop which is nice so we talk about the [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► end let's talk about the end [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► okay does this man have an opening [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► statement about yeah you know I don't [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► want to [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► I you know I don't wanna be pegged with [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► that I i like the end that I think maybe [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► kind of should have been the end I think [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► it's one of the UH god I mean like huh [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► room getting hot and dusty at the end of [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► this movie does not i get real dust we [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► watched we watched it the other night in [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► mind my daughters like you know why do [TS]