00:00:00 ◼ ► Oh my God I feel like we should just stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► We've been trying for thirty five minutes to get this thing to work to get a connection between the two of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► and we've had one set of broken head phones internet problems echo problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/10">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► and apparently an Indian dude in between the two of us starting this record it was more difficult in the first one we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/17">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► ever did. Yeah by far by a lot. We have been beset with technical problems tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► Yes we have and there is nothing more interesting than podcasts talking about their technical problems getting started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/31">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► However are you trying to call me and pressing the same button several times in a row. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/38">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► But killing some stranger is an interesting new technical problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and I would love to know if any of the listeners have had this because Yet I wonder now like has someone tried to hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/50">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► or does face time just for the law occasionally send you to random strangers send me to the same guy twice in a row. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/58">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► Unlike the third time I've been caught you using the same things. That was I think there's a ghost in the machine man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/66">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► This video witchcraft going on here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► Should we just see what happens on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► and off halfway through this point customs of the going to find myself talking to that other bloke that might be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► he might be really interesting that you might be here we go where he is his brilliancy G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/87">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Grey and if a voice changes halfway through names will change midstream. I got a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► I'm all I'm all lost now I have to open up the thing you're very close to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► and of the people had say in our last half hour which was mostly us looking at each other you hear each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/105">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► We would go under just like two cave men banging on the screen with a bone or something just to make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/121">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► The funny thing was I was like oh my goodness for the first time ever it's great technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/131">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and I missed the CO I finally at the end of twenty minutes we realized it was my mistake in my headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► and start working and you were convinced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► Because I think my headphones stop working at the exact moment you happened to meet your so for some other reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/144">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► So you thought you weren't coming out of mute when in fact you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► and it was my fault all right all right OK so let's try to do some follow up like normal people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/153">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► Flowcharts flowchart OK so I just want to give a shout out to a couple of people in the red it made these flow charts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/160">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► of our conversation for the previous episode and as one might imagine who'd listen to many of these episodes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/170">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► Our conversations can occasionally be shall we say meandering they can loop back around they can visit a topic many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/178">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► times then return to something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► and to very patient very diligent editors have detailed all of the various flows of the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/187">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► and all of the various loops so I'm going to put those two links in the show notes and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Maybe nobody else is interested in this but I actually find them quite interesting to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and to see what happens if you try to map on a on a screen in the direction that a conversation takes over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/203">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► You say meandering I say textured and rich and complex. Yeah is that what you're saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/211">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► Also I did notice that H R I animated made its comeback this week there was the fifth installment of da skis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/219">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► Interesting take on snippets of our meandering conversations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Now dusk is done another amazing job with those animations I really really like his work. I'm very happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/233">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and so yes I will definitely put a link in the show notes as well people should check those out if you haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► them already I really quite like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► They're getting kind of darker and twist to that like I like in a good way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► but like every time it's getting a bit weird I realize there's lots of in jokes I don't get to because I'm not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/252">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► but they have heaped I said they change the context of things I think dusky has a style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/259">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► and I think he's doing well with that style. But people should check it out. So that will be in the code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/266">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► OK so last time last time you told me about the airlines trying to paint paint over their logo as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/273">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► when a plane crash has occurred or otherwise trying to obscure their logos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► and you asked I think we asked people to try to come up with a term for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/288">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and I'm going to say that if you were Felix in the red it was the winner of this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and he called that wreckage redaction and I think that's I think that's a good phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► and it is also what I was looking for. Generalizable beyond just airplanes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/305">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► And so you say like oh wreckage you can think about this in metaphorical terms of any kind of disaster that a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/311">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► has gone through. They try to cover up any of the wreckage so that you don't know that it was them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► So I like this as a proposed term for this thing. I'm on board with that one time. That's good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► Oh good we both were both behind it the thing I like about it because last week not lost weight that last episode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/327">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► Yeah and I thought using I thought that just made it sound bland and boring and corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► but wreckage is such an emotive word that I think wreckage or rejection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► And obviously it's also got the alliteration so well done well done. It's absolutely perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/344">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and a small point was to get a little conversation in the red it was about the legality of this and it looks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Like at least in the United States it's pretty clearly illegal that it would fall under the category of evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/360">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► tampering was the conclusion that that seemed to come to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► I don't know if I'll be able to find a link offhand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► but it seemed like as soon as there is any kind of accident the wreckage becomes the immediate property of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/373">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► government to do an investigation on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and I can't go any kind of manipulation of that is evidence tampering so at least in the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► It looks like on paper anyway this would not be a legal thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/388">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► That really seems to me the way that they using the evidence tampering law not in the spirit that the evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/392">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► tampering though is intended because they're not really tampering with evidence for its evidential value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/399">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► They're tampering with it for a different reason I don't think they're not going to figure out how the plane crashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► because you know Thai Airways logo has a bit of black paint on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► but what I think they're doing is taking something that's clearly dodgy and bad anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► and they're using a different law to say it's illegal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► You don't know man you don't know what's underneath that paint the investigators could be going all C S I on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/423">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► but you know some some dude with the paint brush was stomping around and breaking stuff with his boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and you know covering up that vital piece of whatever with the paint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► I'm going to really disagree with you here I think it is totally evidence tampering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/437">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► OK Well I think what they're doing is wrong and if they use the evidence tampering law to stop them then fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/441">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► but I don't think it's evidence evidence tampering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► and from what I've seen of plane crash sites it's not like it's not like a typical murder saying where you've got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/450">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► careful about where you put your boot prints because it could be you know this plane crash is it is not like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/456">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► was going to try to use the Brady metaphor argument you would say something to me like Oh would it be OK if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/464">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► came in and painted over the corpse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► This is the kind of question that you would ask me if I was arguing on the other side which beat me to it like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Even so I don't think it's the spirit of the law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► but whatever they're doing something dodgy stuff that's how we can stop them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► Let's do it one as we go and do the whole bunch of Norway stuff and get you to Norway things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► and if you can open the link below Yes I have I have already opened one of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► You have sent me a link to a Norwegian passport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► and this has a C T P Great written all over it I don't know how you can presume such a thing wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/499">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► But yes last time I discussed the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► Passports and the Irish passports and their various designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► and about a million people sent me the links to the new Norwegian passport you are correct my love. Way to Go Norway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/514">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► The front cover is very simple it looks like it's mostly just a color says Norway on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/524">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and there's a little crest in the top left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► But but the thing that I think is really the centerpiece of this is the page for the stamps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/532">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► And they have a very nice simple diagram of the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/539">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► and the mountains the mountains are done in a very angular style and they have and the moon is over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► but it's almost like for the video gamers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► Among you it almost looks like what's called low poly artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► or using very few polygons to draw something that's kind of what it looks like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► But most importantly this is a page that accomplishes what I think a passport page is supposed to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/561">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► It looks good and stamps will look clear on it and easy to forge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/567">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► You don't know that it's easy to Ford I don't know if you don't know that at all particularly because that second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► picture is what the same scene looks like if you shine a U.V. Light on it and so if you shine a U.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/578">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► Light on this it makes it look like it is night time and so the moon starts to glow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/584">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► and it looks like there's a whole bunch of anti fraud information including the passport number maybe below. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/592">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► So I don't think that it's easy now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► I'm going flip and it is a very cool passport it kind of looks like it's from the sixty's or seventy's or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/600">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► Yeah it's almost like it's retro futuristic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► I think if you can pull that off that is one of the coolest looks that you can possibly have like movies that pull off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/608">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► though it's the one nine hundred fifty S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► but Actually it's the twenty fifties thing as a very hard to do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► but if you can do it well it looks great like get a car sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and I think basically Norway has really hit that that sweet spot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► Big thumbs up to Norway on the passports of the second link I happen to know let me call up the second like OK I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/628">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► calling it out now so passports was a way to have a look this is Norwegian money yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/636">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► OK so now what are your thoughts on this Norwegian money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► or do you want to try to explain it to listeners actually is what you should do first is this for real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/648">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► Well I will tell you that this is for real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► OK So basically on the front side of the currency it has quite a nice looking normal money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/655">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► Reminds me a little bit of sort of this sort of euro currency in its design and appearance in many ways. Quite good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/664">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► And then on the other side it's kind of been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► It's the exact same image except it's been kind of pixilated or Minecraft or door made or blocky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/677">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► and I don't know why they do this for the purposes it's very. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► So on one side it's like a really normal detailed image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► and on the other side it's this kind of redacted version you know most of what's going on here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/692">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► It is it is almost redacted I think this is really interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► One thing I do quite like about the front side of the Norwegian money is that they haven't gone with the terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/703">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► boring people from history route that so much so much money does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► Or instead they have a lighthouse they have a very they have a very Viking looking ship might they have a fish they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/713">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► The ocean and I'm a big fan of all of these designs on the front and yes on the back side they have pixilated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and it is very strange to look at is this is just to make a computer readable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► or something what's going on here as far as I can tell I was just trying to google around a little bit this is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/732">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► This is just to make it interesting looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► and this is this is again this is one of these things in design where I can't I never quite can put this into words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► very well but it's like I will give Norway a thumbs up for a bold decision on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/747">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► and I don't know if I like this I kind of think that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► but I applaud doing something different you know my thoughts are I feel the same way as you I'm not quite sure what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/759">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► think but I lean towards not blocking as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► but the thing that amazes me was this got through all the levels of approval when politicians and administrators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/770">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► and all the things this would have had to have gotten through to become real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► It got through like at no point did someone say here are like that's really clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/781">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► but no like it just kept getting a yes until they were printing the things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► Presumably they're printing these or is it some concept is on to something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► My understanding is that this is the next round of currency because they have not yet been printed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► but these are the finalized I think so I think someone's going to pull the plug at the last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/800">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► and I think it's not going to make I think someone here or pod casting guy now. Gray doesn't like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► I'm not you know I'm not saying I don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► and I would I would take this over most currency designs that I see because they just tend to be really boring not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/812">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► you know just just snooze fest. So this is at very least it is interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► I feel like I would totally give it the benefit of the doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► and if I saw it on a regular basis I think this might kind of move into Maryland flag territory if I could decide you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/829">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► know what I really like. Even though it's not that great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/837">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► On first appearance but I applaud the boldness in design so well done Norway I think your money is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/843">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► Unlike many countries money which is just totally boring so that is that is the Norway stuff now we're going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/853">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► your favorite airport in the world I was yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► Dulles Airport Dulles that's what is Dallas even Maine which is what is that word I believe it's an old Indian word for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/862">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► terrible airport. Now sell US airports. Seems terrible airport airport is the literal truth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/870">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► Well if you have say in the last part because you've been known to have this was the worst airport in the world because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/877">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► the temperature wasn't quite right and you don't do it you diminish Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/883">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and plain sailing the island a little bit lower than you'd look just a little bit See thing is barely above my head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/888">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► So first of all there is an article which was a survey of people about the best and worst airports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/895">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► and Dulles didn't come in as the worst airport but it did take the third worst airport category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/903">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► When you put the list in the next I'm going to look at this list you've got you've piqued my curiosity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/912">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► Yeah I'm calling it up to the white while you're looking that up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/916">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► The three worst airports according to the survey the worst is New York La Guardia Airport which I have traveled through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/920">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► it is not a great airport. Is it worse than Dulles I don't know I think I'd have to go back and do a comparison. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/930">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► Second worst is Newark Liberty International which I have never been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/940">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► but as a New Yorker I am required to think that everything in New Jersey is terrible so I'm just going to assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► the airport is terrible as well. And then third worst is Washington Dulles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/949">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► These are all American airports by the way people just so you know way on other Canadian ones too. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/954">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► It's North America because the best airport according to the survey is Vancouver International. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► So can a take that they're second best. Portland Oregon International and third best is Austin's airport. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/966">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► I think you'll like this Web site too because I've done the graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► and that kind of clicky clicky board star that you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► Indeed they have as you know is that I am I'm a big fan and if you notice if you scroll it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► but it doesn't pretend click clack Yeah if you scroll fast enough so well done Business Week on this website about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► frustrating airports but so basically I'm not wrong that Dulles is the worst airport in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► Anyway the thing I want to mention which I actually found very interesting was there is a civil engineer who works in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/993">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► airport planning who commented on the last Reddit guy called Cool man Dan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Oh three thank you cool man Dan who left a big discussion about like why the Dulles Airport is so bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► He left an extensive comment that is for sure. Yeah it is it is very extensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► It is very interesting and then it started me down a kind of a rabbit hole about Dulles Airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► and I just found out some more about some of the things that he mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► but the the most interesting thing is people who go to Dulles. If you ever have to change terminals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► It is a unique experience because I don't quite know how to describe these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► but in a normal airport there would be some sort of underground tunnel or perhaps a little tram. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► Now at Dulles they have these things that are like tanks maybe crossbred with apps that are just huge mobile ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► You're making me want to go there I'm going to get a ride on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► or an eighty eighty as I would not it's not nearly that cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► but they basically they're like elevated buses at the level of the term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► All and they pull right up to the terminal and there's like a docking port for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► and they shove everybody in like a bunch of sardine sardines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► and then this thing drives across all of the space where the airports are the drives across a space where the airplanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► are in a trance like across a runway or something I don't know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► and takes you to this other terminal how horribly high off the ground than a lighthouse off the ground. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► Yet they are at airplane boarding height qualify touching the ground what are they like driving on a low sounds bizarre. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► They're they're very strange area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► Is kind of looks like like a Humvee or something you know I mean like that's why I say It's it's bizarre and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► The experience of writing in one would have made me think of is the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan and D.-Day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► Yeah because they lose you win at the back and then it pulls into the terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► and is like that front flap just falls forward and everybody has to rush out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Like oh nothing is going to shoot me right as soon as the thing opens up just like it is such a terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► experience these things are just bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► and they are they seem unique to dollars I've never seen them anyway you know what they remind me of that remind me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► something I've been on that's much more pleasant at a place called Burger island down in the southwest of England here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► it's a little quaint island with a hotel on it where you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► and stay in Agatha Christie used to write books there and it's kind of a deco place but to get over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► when it's high tide you can walk over a low tide but when it's high tide it kind of gets cut off from the mainland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► and they have this little tract on wheels with like a platform and you stand up on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► and the rest of the tractor like goes underwater and you're just standing on this platform that's above the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► and that's actually really lovely because it's just five or six if you want to and you go into a lovely art. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► OTOH this is kind of this is kind of the bad version of it that you're sharing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► Yeah Yeah Yeahs it's like it's like you're on a on a cattle car between airport terminals it's just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► OK So here's the thing. These things are just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► But as with everything in the universe like stuff just doesn't happen for no reason somebody wasn't just like hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► know let's try to come up with a terrible way to transport people from one terminal to another. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► So in my rabbit holing here I came across this video which is kind of worth watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► and it is the video promoting what Dulles Airport is going to be back in the I think it's like the early sixty's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► Is this video and OK so this is this is almost going to be hard to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► but what they're very concerned about is boy are at airports getting big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► and don't people have to walk a tremendous amount of distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► and how can we come up with some new system so people don't have to walk as much to get to the airplane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► So here is the idea is that OK OK instead of having these long long corridors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► and the planes are lined up at each of the land the plane the lined up along these corridors what we're going to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► instead we're just going to kind of have one big gathering area for all of the passengers who want to get on planes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► and we're going to make these things that are called mobile lounges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► And the idea is that there's just going to be this whole big docking stations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► or however many terminal the airplane ever many gates the airport would have that was going to have twenty gates there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► would just be on one wall of the main area twenty doors that you can walk through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► And each of these mobile lounges on wheels are going to pull up to one of those doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► and it'll just tell you which door to go through to get to your plane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► And hey did everybody boards on to this mobile lounge which is then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Since at that plane heights going to drive directly to the plain dock with the plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► and just dump people on their right and when you watch the video it's like that's actually kind of a genius idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► and it is also hilarious because the video talks about how absolutely luxurious these things are going to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► Yes but I have written and what write like this is awful I know I know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► but like the shape of things to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► but in the meantime I'm showing this cartoon guy who's like you know lounging on this couch you know just it looks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► looks almost comical and the but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► but they are like this is an interesting idea to have a row of basically buses that can dock directly with airplanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► and drop people off and then you can restructure the whole way the airport the airport is set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► and it can be much smaller and people have to move around less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► So we got this interesting idea and so they started to build a list like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► But apparently the problem is that this is just before the era of when planes became much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► and also some rule changes came in with deregulation that allowed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► Basically airliners to change the way they manage their routes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► and so like just as they were building this thing it sort of became obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► and then for unknown reasons they kind of doubled down at Dulles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and like oh we're going to build another really long terminal that is also for planes that are like a generation too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and so the bottom line is like it was a really interesting idea at exactly the wrong time and then to try to fix it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► They thought oh we can double capacity at this airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► but the thing that you need is spaces for WAY bigger planes you don't need more space for smaller planes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► and so this leads us to today where I found a couple of articles that talk about how like a home of the air traffic at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► Dulles is going down and nobody likes to use it and it's awful and like the whole airport is just in jeopardy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and I just spent a billion and a half dollars trying to make a train to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Just look like the whole place is a nightmare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► But anyway I just thought that this mobile lounge notion is an interesting logistics solution to moving people around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► at an airport that was just at the wrong time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► and I love the idea that these horrible horrible transports are actually still called mobile lounges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► So it's a bit like it's a bit like an English town or something that's you know built for horse and cart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► and cars are being invented in the town planners are going now I'm sticking with I'm sticking with building for horses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and I think I think they're going to stay in fashion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► Yeah it's a bit like they realize oh people can travel around more because of all of these cars so we better double the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► number of horse size rows that we you know because people are going to come here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► and they're going to need to get around in our town is like oh no now it's just twice as bad as if you just left it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► alone. So that's kind of what it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► I thought that's a very interesting I'll put the video in the show notes is also just worth watching it like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► piece of history is just is very strange to see something that is that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► and talking about something you know turns out to be a total disaster altogether how many human minutes would you guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► you spent reading about this airport and researching how bad it was and all those problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► Less than an hour less than an hour I know I've spent more than that I don't even care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► and airports despite the fact that I've just been talking about them for about half an hour are not hugely interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► to me. I'm much more of a train person than a plane person but I didn't get as lost as I might otherwise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► OK I think that's that's good enough for now. Do you want to tell the next item yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► Black Mirror is being released on Netflix in the US If you could you couldn't find any less enthusiastic if I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► and I both adore this show and when we when we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► and asked people to watch it for homework so we could talk about even more all of us friends complained that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► not watch it in a legal fashion on their continent and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► This appears to now have been remedied and you can watch it on Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► and you should definitely And also I say they're going to have a white Christmas special here in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► So Will another dose of New Black Mirror as well. So it's win win on both sides of the Atlantic but we're on Netflix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► I wonder if there are any people that haven't listened to black mirror discussion on whatever episode it was on because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► they couldn't watch the show and they will now have access to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► So Wonderful going to get a big spike in listeners to that pod cast as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► I'll go check the downloads to see if they move significantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► Speaking of our podcast you know we should mention that because people are people are really great like their voice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► know saying nice things and saying they enjoy listening and they have supporting our advertisers and they are buying T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► Shirts which is interesting up quite a few people been saying they've been wearing the T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► Shirt and random people just to come up and say hello to them as you predicted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► Excellent excellent but we have we have something else to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► and I guess that's what we're going to do it like it's an ad because well like advertising ourselves now should we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► it like should we do like an ad format for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► Yeah I guess you know we should we should totally do it that we do like a sound I can't even think what the sound is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► when and that happens. Now going to require you to make the sound. I mention this because like blue blue blue. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► Didn't look now it is reaching too far you're first on here first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► How would you say you were the one who actually works with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and listens to it can you do off the top you head over to me on the spot goes do they do it right I think that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► do so so so with a deadly terror. Here is our ad. This this episode of hello internet has been brought to you by C G P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1666">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► A grey and Brady who now have the capacity for you to support our podcast by by doing something unpatriotic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► You've got to you've got to start off I was to do what should I say this podcast has been brought to you by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► I think they were getting really mad here to me will leave this conversation in about us trying to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► talk about this and then and then what do we say because I mean we can't just leave it at that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► Now that's been the clue these ads go right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► and it's over done here it out so so if people go to what's the address is patriot on dot com slash its patron dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► slash hello internet and we have set up a picture on the count. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► So some very generous people have asked if they can donate directly to the pod cast and so we have set that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► and we just we had an announce that we've been keeping it kind of on the down low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► but we thought we should mention at some point so this is us awkwardly trying to figure out how to talk about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► kinds of things. So our Arbitron is available I think I think describing that as Or could was generous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► Well it all depends on the editing that does that pretty well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► But thank you to anyone who has or does support us in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► but it will not affect the part of us which is you know business as usual. Free for All. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► Yes that that's always the thing we're not locking up parts of the pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► None of this is you know this is just a total ick cherry on top kind of thing if you really like the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► and you want to chip us a buck or something for the show then it's there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► It's an option and we would very much appreciate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► but it is by no means mandatory do you think we should have some mechanism whereby someone like particularly likes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► but doesn't want any money to go to like your parents for example. Right you have some capacity for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► I don't I don't think that I don't think ph on I don't think that's built into the system to say OK to split the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► between just the two about he's ten back and I want grey to get nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► For some of the really mean if it was that you would become a bit of a popularity contest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and I think the result might upset may say let's not do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► and I think the result was that everybody loved breeding and it's so I'm glad that that is not that is not part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► and OK Now after after that amazing stellar ad repatriating dot com slash are forgotten already how the Internet what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► kind of Internet fms hello internet. It's called Flash hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► Well that I wonder how that ad where no I hope it was polished and professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► and thank you for listening to everybody this is our really professional day isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► Forty minutes to try to get a decent connection up and running in a very very amateur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and I'm not sure this has been the pod cast in which it was appropriate for us to ask for support from a policeman. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► But this is the way things have turned out. I saw something on Twitter during the week that shocked me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► Oh yeah a guy I follow a cool C.D.P. Gray said something along the lines of the fact that he has a Christmas tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► Yes of all the people in the world of all the people that would not have a Christmas tree you would have been top of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► list. Hater hater of objects person who does not like clutter. Trinkets masses who pretty much is a bit of a scrooge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► OK Now the Christmas tree. Yes. I first Scrooge to part to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► Secondly I don't understand why is this why this is surprising you Christmas is nice. You don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Objects and clutter and ornamental things you like things to be functional. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► What function does a Christmas tree in your house what is it look like what do you put on up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► Explain that I don't see why this is so this is so confusing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► It's well first of all a Christmas tree is a temporary thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► It doesn't stay in your house all year long and so changing stuff up is nice it's nice to have things different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► And yes even though for the rest of the year I might want my house to be relatively minimal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► It's nice during the holidays to put up a Christmas tree even if it doesn't serve any function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► or perhaps precisely because it doesn't serve any function other does smell very nice it is actually a living tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► Believe it or not it's not even There's not even a plastic tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► or it was a kind of a living tray it hasn't got its roots in the soil anymore presumably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► Yeah I mean technically it's a dying on the way. What it is. Yeah. Every Christmas tree is a dying tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► Basically you to spend a few weeks watching a living thing die before your eyes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► Yeah that's pretty much how what's your decoration style. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► What's the plan of attack for you and Mrs Gray when trimming your tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► Well OK So ideally what we what we would like to do and I think it'll work out this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► but I found this bug as it got up it'll it'll have already occurred. We like to decorate on December fifth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► Half of my my family background is Dutch So St Nicholas Day is kind of a big deal there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► So I think that's also just a kind of nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► You need some arbitrary starting point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► and so I think that is a nice starting point for the official beginning of the Christmas season. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► I mean of course in the real world it ends like seconds after Thanksgiving is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► You know is particularly American like Christmas decorations just go up immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► but I think in the gray household December fifth is the starting point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► That's when we will decorate you know there's the usual stuff you put of tinsel but bubbles on the tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► I think we have to get a new star this year I think our star last year didn't work out very well. So here's the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► He goes for like a dense dense decoration or kind of a bit more sparse I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► Should I just send you a picture of my Christmas tree when it's done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► Would you like that I don't even know how to describe that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Who takes who takes the lead role on design issues because I imagine in my head You're the first person in the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► but I will arrange the lights because you have to arrange the lights in a particular way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► If they're not if they're not even if it's just it stares you in the face because it's in the main room of our house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► If you don't get the lights evenly distributed it's not going to work on your wife to do that if we can both work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► You made it pretty clear then that you do the lugs we both do the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► but sometimes the lights are not to my liking so they need to be rewritten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► But we both put up together it's like a fun family activity we both decorate the Christmas tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► and sometimes I rearrange stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► Sometimes my wife rearrange a stuffed lever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and I don't know yet because I just honestly don't see why this is as rising. Well OK I stand corrected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► OTOH I will take a picture of our totally normal probably slightly boring because there's on coming to London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and in a week or tell you so I expect to see the Christmas tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► and my inviting you over to my house I don't remember this I think I think that's pretty much what just happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► I don't think that's what happened though I think getting back to you. Do I will tell you what they're all about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and I will bring a decoration to put on because the I will have to get something in your house for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► and he now it's starting to cross the line then we need to discuss boundaries and when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► when you're not looking I'll just move a few lights to the left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► Decoration gifts that's an obligation that you're imposing on the other person no no no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► While somebody else clothing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► or like some kind of decoration for the House it's no good you know you can't do that. So get it off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► No I will send you a nice picture. So last time we spoke I was trying to get into India. Oh yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► Everybody wants to know did you make it to India. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► I did make it into into how did how did how did you end up because you didn't have the right number of days to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► string pulled for you because you're an important chemistry video guys i OS There are not many things I'm good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► but getting things like doing stuff like that I'm quite good at figuring out it's kind of a journalistic thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► develop over the years just figuring out how to get stuff done get into things I managed to find a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and it didn't involve some illicit border crossing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► or anything I didn't have a visa resilience all sounds remarkably vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► and I want more details I think it sounds cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► or if I just make it sound like I you know makes me sound a bit more James Bond if I leave it at that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► Let's just say it totally is hands James Bond but that's what I want to burst the bubble right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► but I mean happy with this James Bond battle so I'm I'm I'm going to caper. Let's just say I got in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► OK OK you can have a James Bond moment thank you. The reason I went was for the Commonwealth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► Science Conference which was a conference held in Bangalore with sort of scientists from all around the world came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► The main reason I was there was making a few videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► but I was hoping Professor Martin Poliakoff who is the chemist in my chemistry videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► He's also the foreign secretary of the Royal Society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and one of his roles in that capacity was to make like the final speech at the end of the conference because he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► this kind of video reputation now because of periodic videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► He quite likes the idea of sharing a video at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and so I went along to help him make this video at the end something he could show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► and you know finish the conference nicely Oh wait wait so you had to make a video about the conference while you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► at the conference. Yes Yes So this is a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► OK this is an this is an easy thing for me obviously you know I'm a journalist and I had four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► or five days to do this it was not a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► OK so anyway another I had an I had an idea at the last minute so I suggested to the professor he was on board with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► and when I said to him was I think through the conference through the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► or five days of the conference you should just take a whole bunch of selfies just take selfies with everyone you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► everything you do just go crazy and then we'll turn that into a big montage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► or mash up video at the end of the conference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► but then I had to sort of as a second idea so it wasn't kind of introspective here we all are at the conference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► A bunch of our famous scientists talking about science. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► I put out an appeal to people via you know videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► and social media around the Commonwealth who do science whether they're students [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► or professional scientists academics commercial whatever to send me selfies of themselves like in the lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2332">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► or doing science and we would make that part of this final video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► So the video had one component which was here at the conference having a great time here S O phase in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► And Meanwhile elsewhere in the Commonwealth science is happening you know every minute every day sort of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► The sun never sets on the Commonwealth science mba. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► One the most one of the more interesting things to me was people's reaction to being asked for photos from around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► commonwealth which was very mixed and I can't and I haven't been able to fully interpret it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► and you being Mr geography and Commonwealth and maps might be able to help me. Mix How so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► Well first of all some people were very angry. They felt excluded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► I was accused of xenophobia by not accepting photos from everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► This to me seems crazy because this was a Commonwealth science conference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► So I think this is an example of a time where you can ask which pictures from people from the Commonwealth. It would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► The crazy to then show pictures of people from the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► when the whole purpose was that this was sort of a celebration of silence around the commonwealth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► Yeah it would be like if America was having a science in all of the states conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and people got angry because you're not accepting photographs from everywhere else in the world yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► So so anyway the mom on your side with that I care. Anyway thank you for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► I also received an incredible number of pictures from people not in the Commonwealth clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and I don't know if this is because people just didn't pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► and thought it was an excuse to send me a selfie that we're trying to sort of circumvent the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► and get into the video knowing perfectly well they're not in the Commonwealth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► or people just don't know what the Commonwealth is and they just are not and I will come of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► but I'm probably And so he is Freddy from Belgium. Any thoughts on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► How how famous is the Commonwealth outside the Commonwealth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► I'm not sure how famous the Commonwealth is inside the commonwealth I think I think this is this is a bit of a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► problem I would say at least in my experience teaching English kids with there was a huge amount of confusion about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► Commonwealth you know I really felt that there was there was a ton of confusion primarily about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► or not the United States was in or out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► or about just who was even in it at all I would say kids had some sort of dim notion that it was it was the British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► But even then it's a bit I think it's a very unclear organisation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► and so I am I am not the least bit surprised that lots of people would be genuinely confused about whether they are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► or not in the comp that's interesting to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► I mean people outside the commonwealth I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► and are saying John all of his excellent video that the Commonwealth Games which I highly recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2511">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Before everyone tells us to watch it and that I'm surprised the people in the Commonwealth wouldn't know that arena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► and I think maybe this is betraying my astray Liam ness for a minute here because obviously I'm a Strat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► and grew up in Australia and Australians are obsessed with sport and winning sport things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► and obviously the Commonwealth Games was a chance every four years for us to win a bunch of sport stuff so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► Commonwealth Games is a really big deal in Australia and so you know this is a you know it's like it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► and another version of the Olympics but not as important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► So because the Commonwealth Games are such a big deal I think we sort of know what it is and who's in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and who we're going to be up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and what our chances of winning are because we're not going to have to bait this person because he's from America we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► will have to beat this person because he's from Scotland. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► So I think maybe a stray Indians because of the Commonwealth Games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► and their obsession with sport I may be more aware of it than some other Commonwealth countries that are not as sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2573">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► Are you putting out the the incredibly contentious statement that Australians are super into sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► and would therefore know all the nations they need to crush in the Commonwealth Games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► Yeah I don't think that's hugely can I get there I think it's seems quite likely that the average Australian might know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► way more Commonwealth nations than a random citizen somewhere else in the Commonwealth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► But in place of that I came up with that idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► I would back that because of the sport connection I mean that you know the Commonwealth of Nations is such a such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► strange thing. What do you do exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► Organisation I was actually trying to find like the the Wikipedia summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and you know how we could be there we had that first paragraph which tries to some things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► And so here is the Wikipedia first paragraph or Commonwealth of Nations the Commonwealth of Nations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Is an intergovernmental organization of fifty three member states that were mostly territories of the former British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► Empire the Commonwealth operated by intergovernmental consensus of the member states organized through the Commonwealth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► and non-governmental organizations organized through the Commonwealth foundation that is as clear as it's going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► on what is it that the Commonwealth AG is that's pretty it's pretty dry as worse as the article goes on longer so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► a bit hard of like what do you do. Commonwealth nothing about sport not in that first paragraph. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► and it's an excuse to have a sporting event every four years in which you're more likely to win medals at the Olympics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Come OK Commonwealth Games does not appear until the third paragraph. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Well there you go there because they are missing the boat a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► But the thing is according to this the Commonwealth Games are there to promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and enshrine the values in the Commonwealth charter which I'm sure you are well aware of since you are so into sports. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► Oh yeah I actually have to come in with just a test so you don't know until I left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► Yeah that's what I'm thinking at this most into the Commonwealth Games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► You guys surely know the whole commonwealth charter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► All right I'm sure it's a riveting document I'm sure it is as well riveting and very important and widely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► So I met Prince Andrew the Queen's child most famous probably for being married to thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► and he he has an unfair reputation he's got lousy nicknames like am I was Andrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► and stuff because he travels around a lot as this business envoy. I think that's unfair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► I have a lot of respect for the guy he goes to a lot of events that he doesn't have to go to for the good of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► country and the Commonwealth. So I don't want to bad mouth him but he would not pose for a selfie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► He actually said I don't do Sophie's So I got to hear him say selfie but he wouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► But we did get some pictures and footage of him so he helped us out and looking at all the speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and things that man has to sit through and all the boring meetings he has to go to you know you can call him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► and Miles Andy all you want you know he doesn't have to go to all those places you have to think of the royal family as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► I think that that is primarily what they are they like public relations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and they're a kind of diplomat who can who can be a little bit above the day to day for a lot of goings on in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► political world and like you said boring boring meetings and stuff I just I could never ever get through alive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► I would just fall asleep and not make it so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► He is known for getting in an above average number of rounds of golf when he does visit these places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► He doesn't mind that you know he doesn't want to go. So anyway he's in the video but he wouldn't do a selfie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► He doesn't do Sophie's I bet he's been asked loads of times. Yeah I but the frequency of that request is going up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► Yeah exactly. Exactly he has to you know I think it's got to a point where public figures have to have a Sophie policy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2837">TS</a>]
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00:49:18 ◼ ► Well I received a very interesting e-mail yes from someone who watches some of my videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► and therefore saw the request for selfies but also tells me he's a big fan of hello internet. Let me call this up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► This is from I don't know I'm supposed to say his name or not his name is nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► but I'll just call him Hopi because that's what everyone knows us OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► If you look out officially another lives though if you're trying not to say they know man he's an Anonymous. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► He's not anonymous as you're about to find out. When when the word selfie was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/2993">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► They had a word in one the word of the year last year and all that sort of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► Hopi is the guy credited with first using it OK in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► and two forum he posted a picture of himself with kind of a cut lip it had a I think it had a drinking accident. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I think I've seen this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► Yeah and he put that here I am and you know I took a selfie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and that is considered the defining moment in the creation of the word Sophia is the thing everyone pins it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and said you can use my Sophie if you want because you know how how I'm supposedly the guy who invented the word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► Hello Hopi fellow but he went further I basically I got in touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► and said we can't leave it at this I want to know everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► And he took me quite literally and wrote me a really long email back telling the story of how it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and what happened with the journalists afterwards and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► I hope he does not claim to have invented the word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► He thinks it was just a word him and his mates used and was already in usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► when he thinks it's ridiculous that it's attributed to him he is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► He shares your attitude to the media and journalists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► and I think that attitude was enhanced by his experience with think COTA the inventor of Sophie he he had he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► people like journalist were trying to contact his parents on Facebook and there was some ridiculous interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► and they'd start interviewing him and he'd say well I didn't really invent and then that try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► and keep the interview going for another three minutes or so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► He had people investigating his past posts and trying to sort of analyze him and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► but basically I think the thing I took away from what he he took from a is that journalists are really lazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► and the media is a bunch of rubbish and I think that pretty much sums up your attitude to journalists as well so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► and hope you have something in common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► I can go along with the sentiment of that you know what's funny that even though he made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► So we're really clear that he didn't invent the word. He says I don't think I coined the word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► I might have I guess no one has contacted me claiming that I invented it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► but it's such an obvious word whoever did invent it probably doesn't remember anyway so that's what he says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► So even though he doesn't claim to have invented it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► and he probably didn't I still am calling him the guy that invented the word selfie for the sake of my anecdotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► and when I say get him out of Maine guess who listens to the podcast. The guy who invented the word selfie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's fair. I think that's totally fair. I feel like what is it in dictionary they have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► So the earliest known use of words. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► You'll see sometimes I feel like that's what this is that the dictionary is not saying oh whatever example they have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► the first time that word was ever spoken. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► They say this is the first documented use of that word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► and this is this is functionally the starting point of our history of the word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► So he is the starting point for the history of selfie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► CO I find it so funny because he wrote in one of the e-mails on MY GOD Brady e-mailed me I'm a huge fan especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► pod cast. I'm going to have to humble brag at work about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► He could not be more excited than I am and he about may I am the excited one here all right all right of the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► Sophie get a room you do not with those clips of you saying the picture disgusting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► Things Hopi and it's nice to hear from you. And big opera star a member of the Commonwealth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► Yet another thing that happened in India that was quite interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► You have you heard of Raman spectroscopy you probably have been a science picture. Yes I have I have yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► So this was I was invented by an Indian scientist Raman and he spent much of his career in Bangalore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and his institute is in Bangalore and we went along and filmed there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► So they said Come along you can make a film with a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► We've got like a little museum or collection so we were really excited to see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Thinking are they going to be all these treasures from Rahman's life and we went there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and it was quite it was a very impressive collection of minerals and rocks over three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► or four rooms that had been collected by Rahman over the course of his life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► But I have to admit it wasn't what we expected we were hoping for more to do with the man himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► and to tell his story not just his rock collection that he left behind. It didn't feel like we connected with him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► But anyway we thought well this is what we've got. Let's make the best of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► So we're making a video and the professor was going along and talking about some of the items of interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► and why he collected this and why this piece of rock was interesting etc etc and we'd finished up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► and we were just about to leave and this guy lucky the curator was a real rock hound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► and there's nothing he didn't know about rocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► and showing this rock collection off was obviously you know it was a big deal to him he really enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► and that's all he cared about that's all he wanted us to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► and then just as we were leaving there was like a stick in the corner of the room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► We had steak and I said what's that steak over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► and he said Oh that was Rahman's walking stick that he used all his life that was his personal walking stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► and it got left behind and you know that was like his trademark thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► and I was like well you never want to you know tell us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► But to the rock guy it didn't occur to us that this would be interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► Selection was the steak and we got to hold his walking stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and off one of walking sticks a really personal thing like when people have died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► and you hold a walking stick more than almost anything often walking sticks are really interesting things so anyway we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► got his walking stick. Well thanks for that that was an unexpected bonus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► And then just as we were going to leave again Martin turned around and said to him what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► Rahman's Nobel Prize that he won he was I think he won the one hundred thirty Nobel Prize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► What happened to his prize and they go I said oh I've got that in a cupboard in my office. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► What would you like to see that. After two hours of looking at rocks we were like we would like to see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Thank you very much. So he went to discover that the back of this thing is not on display. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► He looks this covered out of public view and pulls out his gold Nobel Prize medal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and like the official certificate that he got given you know in Sweden with all that beautiful calligraphy one of a con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► pieces and I guess they go this is Nobel Prize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► So it's so it's so this became clear this was how we were going to have to conduct the rest of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► This filming that we just had to kind of interrogate this guy to find what other treasures he had like a locked locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► away that he didn't think were worthy of display that he didn't think it was nearly as interesting as rocks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Rahman had because he was obsessed with spectroscopy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► He had this tiny little pocket spectroscope he always kept in his coat like a little handheld thing like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► size of a pack of a lifesavers or something to look at flowers and things when he was walking around in gardens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► Another really intimate object that he always had on him so I had that locked in the cupboard away from do you put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► up there I let you go you can look at that too if you want I don't know why you don't want to just look at more rocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► when someone's too much of an expert in something it has too much of a passion for one thing they kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► when is it don't see the wood for the trees or whatever it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► So I got to hold a Nobel Prize and I sent you a picture didn't I did he did. I said more glamorous than a GO button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► Yes I was impressed by your picture of you holding a Nobel Prize. They look good that suits you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► Thank you I think I think I think it is I think it's a good look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► So while I was holding Roman's Nobel Prize medal I understand you have if you got your hands on a new Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► or something I don't I don't know if you actually want to print it up but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► My my black because you going to go crazy now that I have some idea I have some thoughts on the Kindle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► First of all how come you've got a new Kindle now when Christmas is a question to speed up a Christmas present. Why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► Well because it gives it gives your wife something to buy fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► but she doesn't need to get me anything I think I can get myself a Kindle it seems seems reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Do you do Christmas presents. Yes we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► I don't know how successfully we always do them but we attempt to do Christmas presents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► but yeah I you know I feel like there was a new Kindle out I wanted to see what it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and sold it at the end tell me what what's a coat is a got some name is it like the Zed X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► Three thousand hours of you know the Kindle was a call like some stupid name on the Kindle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► Ladies oh wow this is the one this is the one we were talking about a couple episodes ago I think which is called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► Kindle. They have to think about it really hard. It is called the Kindle voyage Yes I always want to call the Voyager. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► That's it we can talk about how we better spend the next twenty minutes talking about Tech's justification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► or OK OK OK I promise not to talk too much about text justification I can promise only the amount that it deserves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► which is quite a lot but then again this is this is a record this podcast a little bit early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► and so I'm working on a review of this can that which will probably be out before this podcast so just let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► but I think it's a good thing that I want to highlight here is not the justification of text which is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► and still unfixed. People have heard enough about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► It's like if I kept talking about humble brags at a certain point people just don't hear about that and you know my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Anyone on the justification but they got his Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► and I swear this device has single handedly made me doubt the entire Amazon company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► Take a look at this Kindle and it's like I don't know if Amazon is going to be around in a few years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► Really this thing is so terrible combined with a bunch of other stuff about Amazon as like it's like my whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► view on Amazon has completely changed and there are many things that I don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► But let me just let me just try to narrow my focus to one thing. OK OK So here he is here's a little thing right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► One Kindles many generations ago they had this amazing feature which was a button that you could press to turn the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and they had buttons on either side and they made a satisfying click sound and all was good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► That's a that's a pretty fundamental part of reading a book you might say it's a core feature for a reading experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► Yes they play Woody Allen talk. Yeah it's like OK Number one can you see the words right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► But I give you the words right OK OK Well now we need a way to turn the page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► So you're right it's probably second consecutive being able to read before I read here. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► So they had to satisfy a little button press. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► Yeah on the Kindle which was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► and then the thing is made is nice to have something a bit tactile even though everything's going eighty's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► And the selling point of the Kindle is like hey look we're not trying to be a general purpose tablet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► We are machine dedicated for reading books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► and so we can have a little button on the side where the i Pad is never going to have a little button on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► and this is like a competitive advantage but then Amazon decided. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► As for inexplicable reasons they said you know those great buttons on the side that everybody loves which every of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► mentioned as being a great experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► You know we're going to take those out and instead we're going to give you a touchscreen. OK That's awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► That was the last candle that I had because I don't understand this at all but whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► OK so the new Kindle is out the Kindle Voyager. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Let me guess on this one you can't even see the world that's is like it is inches away from that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► So OK so here's here's what they said like oh I know people loved that page tourney thing and everybody complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► and we took it away. So let's give it back to people what I know what we can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► Let's make a button better do is we're going to take the worst part of a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► and combine it with the worst part of a touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► and make a brand new input device on the bezel which I don't even know what they call it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► But here here imagine here is the user experience for this is like these regions on the side of the Kindle that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► supposed to press to turn the page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► and pressing it against a completely immobile surface like a huge slab of marble on the floor of a palace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and in order to turn the page of your book instead of a nice click button instead you have to smoosh your thumb against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► a completely rigid surface and when you have smudged it enough the page will turn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► So no give no sounds nice just it is it is baffling to me that it will it will do this bizarre little vibrate thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► So every time you turn the page it goes right to let you know oh yes we have registered that you have compressed your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► thumb hard enough against the side of our screen in order to turn the page it's just and like OK so I took this out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► Let's give this a fair shot. I really like. We want to love the Kindle. Soak it out. I load up a book on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► I press the button once on this are not the button I Press T V A mobile slab on the side once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► and I go like I swear to god it was physically uncomfortable and then it vibrates in the slicks in the startling way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► Who what person what what designer. Presumably Jeff Bezos saw this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► Who came up with this at Amazon who on earth approved of this at Amazon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► Why was there nobody who said hey you know be a good idea. A button like we used to do that everybody loved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I just I swear to god the existence of these pressure sensitive regions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► Honestly makes me doubt the judgment of everybody in upper management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► and Abba's on the fact that this thing came into existence just blows my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► and so I thought like OK OK maybe my first experience with this is just horrible. Let me try to give it a good go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► So I sat down and like usually I read in the twenty minute bursts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► So I sat out like OK I'm going to read for twenty minutes I'm going to use my Kindle I'm going to use a little button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► thing that they want me to use on the side I could not make it twenty minutes using this thing because my son started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► to get a little bit physically uncomfortable and I realized oh oh what this thing actually is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► It's a repetitive strain injury creation device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► That is the function that this thing serves like I can feel it's like I've had repetitive strain injury before you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► what like the warning signs are like it's like oh yes pressing my thumb several thousand times over the course of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► year against a completely rigid surface is going to give me repetitive strain injury guarantee it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► and so that's that's what the sting on the side is it's just baffling to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► I don't know how anyone could ever look at it and think it was a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► It's just it's just so crazy that I feel like well well Amazon it's been a good run but I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3951">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Think this is where we have to part ways. You've got to wonder whether we would have turned a Muslim had invented it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► I know it's just like oh I know we'll make it we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► but we'll put spikes all around the edge of it so it was really grippy on the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► Like I don't know it's just what are you going to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► Because like when you're up in a star rating on your i Pad What will he go from here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► Yes So basically I was hoping to get this Amazon Kindle before my trip to Alabama. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► But because Amazon also hates the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► and Ships everything later here I didn't get it in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and so I ended up actually using my i Pad to read on the trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► and I discovered many things that I do like about i Books. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► It's still not an ideal solution in very many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► but it's more a question of like OK well there's a solution which is not perfect for me but it's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► And that actually has many advantages over Amazon system. I would I would want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► I would want to use Amazon system in an ideal world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► but just like you're demonstrating to me Amazon that you have lost your mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► And like I want you to do these things like fix the left justification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► or to fix all of these various things about your system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► But like this physical piece of hardware demonstrates to me that you are just never going to do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► It's almost like it's like asking someone to love you right like oh please Amazon please love me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► and do the things that I want to write and they give you a turd in a bag and give you say at that point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► Well it's not really Amazon's fault it's your fault. Yeah and that's kind of how I feel at this moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► Like I can't take this abuse anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► This Kindle is just so awful so I ordered the return box almost immediately like I cannot believe this thing it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► terrible Wow returning I wouldn't have if I don't like something I just put it in a shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► and never use it you know she returned stuff. Well it's expensive enough that it's worth returning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► I wouldn't stick it in the shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► and then Amazon gets to keep my money I feel like I need to send a message like this this is this is too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► Amazon is too much. I mean there's just a million things about it which are terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► But that button is just like the embodiment of terrible decisions which just makes me doubt the whole company is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► just is this is this just gray fussiness or have you been hearing other people talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► but in the same way I was I was curious because I was like Is this just me do I have a defective one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► Change Settings on this which you can there's a whole bunch of settings you can try to change is a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► different ways you can try to adjust this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► but universally It has been panned I haven't seen anybody who's written any kind of review that says that they like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► but if you if you ever are in a store and see one of these things just touch it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► and it's like it's just terrible it's lame I will put a thumbtack on the edge of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► and say Oh you do this to turn the page. It's just equally useless thinking Grayle what's going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► Just for the sake of argument Tell me why you think it got approved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► What happened is that just some did one person think oh I never you know we've got to do something different if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► don't do something different will die and that this is a compulsion to do something different or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Well here's an oath I try very hard when things seem strange to imagine what's happening in this other entity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► and this is just my breaking point with Amazon it's like I I cannot understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► or I cannot come up with any kind of rational reason for why they are behaving the way they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► and the other thing was I think I think you saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► but I tweeted their last bizarre product announcements which was that Amazon echo thing that is the infamous freakiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► weirdest promotional video I've ever seen I don't know what's going on so I'm going to say that that for me the Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► voyage is like the third strike in Amazon has lost its mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► Strike one was the Fire Phone which I didn't think much of when it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► but then I was just curious to see what people think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► and it's just like unusably awful is just terrible terrible piece of equipment is like you can even use this with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4192">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► As a phone even if you wanted to strike two then was the Amazon echo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► and strike three The Kindle is like these three things in a relatively short period of time just just seriously make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► doubt whoever is making decisions over there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► The Echo thing for those who haven't seen the video I will put it in the in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► I almost dare you to watch the whole thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► It is even the commercial is so awkward it's so painfully awkward someone watched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► and signed off on that someone said OK yes we are willing to release that to the public. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► Yeah it's the video is basically this family who gets a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► and you can all it is is it's basically Siri that plugs into your wall that isn't a phone that listens to you twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► four hours a day from a particular location in your house brother or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► Yeah and you can ask it all the same questions that you can ask Siri. Set a timer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► How many cups in a quart or whatever you know there's like a minimally useful stuff but not anything shockingly useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4253">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► It's like your phone can do all of this except that your phone is on you all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► It's like who is the person this product is for I just I simply cannot imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► and then they have the most terrible commercial in the whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and there's a little detail which again is one of these things with like somebody over there who just lost their mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► So I have asked several people this when they watch the commercial I go what is the name of this product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► Everybody gives the same wrong answer because this little family in the commercial sets up this product which is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► Amazon echo but this is like quick little two second thing where they say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► when you set it up you have to give it a special name and it only listens to you after you say that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► Alexa I think and so then you have this commercial which is supposed to be selling a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► but they must say Alexa a hundred times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► Yeah and they say the name of the product Amazon Echo may be five times and so everybody think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► It's Amazon's new Alexa Prot is like no this is just an incidental thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► But who could possibly like what person creating a commercial says how can we say the product name less. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► How can we figure out how to make this more confusing. So it is like the echo is crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► The Kindle Voyager is just completely non-understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► and they keep selling it in this way like oh it's a specially designed for someone who makes books like have you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► someone read a book. Have you ever read a book. Product is clearly not designed for anybody who reads books. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► I don't understand it at all. I don't understand who the Echo is for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► I understand how on earth you can be trying to sell you a terrible phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► and you can even sell it now they've reduced it to one dollar to buy the phone it's just like it's embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► and so these three things together I feel like I don't even feel safe having my digital books in Amazon's ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► Putting aside the whole just a justification issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► and all the other problems they have is like I can't count on you to fix anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► I don't feel good about buying books in your ecosystem anymore and I'm going to give up on trying to make you love me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► or I think you just you're off the deep end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► and we need to separate so you know what the heck coming back for just a second. It's so funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► If you had made that video and you said Brady I've just made a spoof video and I want you to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► I would think that was the best video you've ever made. I say you're a legend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► It's funny it's clever it's like it's so good at being bad right. That is genius. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► Yeah the only problem with that ad is that it's not a joke. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► That it's genuine it it's almost it has that like Saturday Night Live feel to it exactly like my family is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► and one of the things I love is OK so again try trying to envision this product if you haven't seen the commercial it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► is a black cylinder that spies on you that you have to plug into the wall. But even that seems like a joke. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4434">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► I know it's like all they need is to give it a menacing red ring around the edge right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Like that it's just it's unbelievable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► But but then the whole like they keep they keep doing like point of view shots from the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► and in the way they do the camera work. It also looks like a joke because it's like the echo pops up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► So they show the couple sleeping in bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► and the camera pans down so suddenly the Echo is in front of the camera like looming over them looking at them sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► in bed together like you think the jokes going to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► and like into in the next scene the husband will come home from work early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► and his wife will be in bed with the echo of yapping like yeah like that's where they're going or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► or the next scene is him going to be driving in the car and they show the echo like buckled into the passenger seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► or something like this just like you can't believe it's real and it's just awful to watch. It's awful to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► But that but again it's like people signed off on this. So they built it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► They've made it they've sold it they hired a team of people to make his god awful commercial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► and said let's let's let's run that on the internet like that is why people who give any money for making that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► were given money for that. Well I mean if those actors I feel like hey I was on I'll take your money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► But someone at Amazon should look at that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► and just say like we're going to get slaughtered on the Internet people are going to laugh at us nobody's going to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► this ridiculous product because it doesn't serve any need for any human on the face of the earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► But who should get this Amazon echo instead of just getting an Android phone. Nobody no one anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► I will accept that if you make a good enough ad and trick me maybe I will think I need one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► Like people will buy anything if it's promoted well enough and well marketed and is made to look cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► but then they've made it they've made a product that I don't really want. Look even worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► Yeah so I think an interesting exercise. I showed this to my wife like you have to watch that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► You're not going to believe this and I had to preface it with. It is not a joke. This is for real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► And then as interesting comparing contrasting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► I'm not trying to hold Apple up here is as an amazing example but we went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► and we said what were the first ads for Siri When Siri first came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► and it is it is really interesting to watch the two of them side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► and to see how Apple tries to do a better job of convincing you that this thing will be useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► And part of it is not overselling it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► Part of it is just look you can just quickly ask your phone what the weather is and it tells you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► And they also have a little emotional resonance part at the end of the Siri ad where they show oh I don't know a blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► person using their phone right like Apple always knows how to get you and them and they show it actually being. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► and the interesting thing is that they show Siri doing probably eighty percent of the same things at the Amazon Echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► does but it's in a thirty second commercial and the Amazon echo thing is five minutes long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and in the Echo conference like it's the center of everything that's like this freak that's come into the house that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► they're all coming to say and yeah like some girl my girl even says at one point you could Amazon echo R.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► Knows I'm sorry she says Alexa has really become part of the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► but really is that really like giving up if you start saying that your phone has really become part of the family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► You have some problems with your family right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Or we've You were one of one of the two and it's so oversold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► and it's like their whole lives revolve around this it's just it's just awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► It's like I said the family don't want a baby so if you if you buy this product you will become like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► or like one of the selling points is is the children can use it to passive aggressively make fun of each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► when there's like the daughter asks Alexa to define annoying like yeah that's a real selling point there Amazon people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► people are oh I wish I wish. If I could I could turn it over to a machine making fun of my sibling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► That be great I'd love to buy that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► But anyway all of this is why I think I was on it like I'm worried about you Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► but you know I'm going to keep buying all of my physical items from them because I don't like to go to stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► and they ship stuff to my door like they do that great of a man their whole their whole electronics ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► It just seems like it is in terrible terrible danger of whoever is running it and whoever is approving it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► This episode of how the Internet has been sponsored by Harry S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4714">TS</a>]
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01:21:10 ◼ ► See I don't know that I want to talk about Star Wars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► Well this is we have already we haven't had this discussion yet but we've kind of half basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► when the new the new Star Wars trailer teaser trailer came out and did it come around Thanksgiving other on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► and they came out and I watched and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► and I both love Star Wars so I sort of said well obviously we're going to talk about this in the next podcast because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► we're huge Star Wars fans and there's a new Star Wars teaser trailer. Yeah and I'm not I'm not I'm not up for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► No I you know I don't I don't like spoilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► You had this is it like I knew you didn't like spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► but I assumed you would have watched this partly because it was unavoidable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► and partly because this film's not out for you and this is like a Take this is a take. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► East of the forbidden fruit has to be watched and so I said let's talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► and he said I want what you sow before we before we thrash it presumably you still haven't watched it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► I have not I have not watched it. I have not seen any spoilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► I you know I get you seem very insistent that I should watch this. Well first of all let me tell you what I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► Let me tell you some reasons I think you should watch it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► You say it could be dreaming your argument is seeing anything from the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► or spoil the film in some way even even the most subtle thing that doesn't tell explain the story gives some paces away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and you want to go into this film in December next year completely cold that that would be ideal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► Yes I think that I know you think that is the correct way to see a film and I respect that. But I think you're wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4970">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► I think trite I think teasers and trailers are part of the cinematic experience just as much as popcorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► and all the other all the other parts of films I don't think a film is just about the ninety minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► or two hours you see on that given day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► I think trailers and hype and expectation and teases and things I don't think leaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and spoilers as a part of the experience but I think a trailer made by the director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► and released by the director who is in artistic control of this process he wants that to be part of the experience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► and I think you are denying yourself part of what the maker of this film wants you to experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► I feel like I don't know who you are right now didn't have we had conversations where you agree that knowing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► about the movie spoiled it that. There are new mailers are spoiler filled. I don't know why I feel right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► Insistent trailers are my favorite thing. Like I've mentioned before in the park as my dad used to be a film critic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► Yeah and one of the things that we would occasionally get to do it was like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► or twice a year they would get in all the trailers for the film and their little tiny special cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► and you show him all the trailers for the films that were coming in and you just sit there for an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► and watch trailers back to back. I loved that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► I'm the guy that refuses to miss the trailers of the cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and gets there twenty minutes early so he can watch the trailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► and people talk during the trailers I get really angry and shoot them dirty looks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► Trailers are my favorite things I think I think they're I think they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► and I understand I understand they have this potential to ruin if done badly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► and if a trailer gives away the whole film it's probably a sign that it's a bad film anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► So you're telling me that this isn't a bad trailer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► That's not what I'm saying I'm saying you should watch it and you said to me you said to me he doesn't have spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► and of course if it shows one frame of the film it contains spoilers to some extent so I'm not going to I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► to sit here and say because it's a teaser and it doesn't tell you the plot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► I'm not going to say it doesn't contain spoilers of course. Of course by its very nature it contains spoilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► OK so I'm not going to make you that promise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► but I do think you should watch it if only because I so want to talk to you about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► And I think we'll be talking about Star Wars for the next year before this film comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► and I also think you're just making life difficult for yourself because people aspire you think people are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► about it people analyzing it to death and you're going to get snippets here and there anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► You're not going to be able to avoid when you open the front page of read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Something happens you know and you may as well know what they're talking about I think you should watch it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► OK well I feel like this is a big moment in our relationship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► Brady I say that because it's against my better judgment I am going to follow your advice before you do that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► you know I don't want to jeopardize that for an hour now you walk it back I mean I don't know if that's being a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► to say well this is going to say this is this is it that's why this is an important moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► Tell me what could happen when you watch it. That would make you upset with me. Spoilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► I just told you there are spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► but you're also telling me that I should watch it anyway so I am I am trusting your judgment that even though there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► will be spoilers that the experience of watching this would be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► or a life where I have watched the trailer before seeing the movie is a better life than where I have not watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5214">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► trailer before seeing the movie. It's a better life for me because I can talk to you about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► And I like talking to you about stuff. But but let me you go you will be upset afterwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► There are things that will be spoiled and you will grumble for a year about it and tell me that it was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and I will have been the right thing to have done for you saying that I will be wrong about my opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Yes I don't for the first time. OK Brady sent me this thing on my message. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► OK I'm going to I'm going to dim the lights in my recording because I'm going to make this like an event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► OK I've sent on a message. I'm bit nervous now but you should be and you should be all right. If you felt this way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5270">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► It's the deed is done. I'm here. Yeah yeah I know you're there and they are there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► I'm not sure what to think right now. I think I don't know just what you what you feeling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► First of all it's impossible not to be excited by Star Wars trailer. But you know it's like. It does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5388">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► As a matter of moments ago we were talking about Amazon and like on this this abused spouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► and I'm like I'm leaving I can't make Amazon love me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► but with Star Wars it like I will always want Star Wars to love me as soon as you see the new trailers like all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► abuse of the three prequels. It just feels like but this time it'll be OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► I mean to be fair I was really excited by the Phantom Menace trailer and what happened there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► Oh yeah I remember watching that Phantom Menace trailer over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► and over again like you know the greatest thing ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► and this trailer is I have the same feeling like my heart is lifted by the Star Wars music. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► It's impossible not to like watching the trailer even though it is definitely filled with things I would regard as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► But OTOH I said that I said that I know but it's impossible not to be hopeful and I find myself filled with a new hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5454">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► The next movie will be good and I do I do. I put some trust in J.J. Abrams So I. So before we talk a bit more about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► You've watched it once. Yes. What's like your overall impression what's you feeling about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► Like what like compared to what you expected because obviously for a week we've been talking about it you had no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► what was in that what would what would happen. What's your reaction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► Is it what you expected is it not what you expected is it better than you thought Is it worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► Like it's what I would expect the first trailer to be very brief scenes of just things in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► and things you might be excited to see when they first pop up on screen but we're going to show you them right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► You know that's that's that's what I kind of expect the first trailer to be I think you know it's it's about time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► they've gotten some hand guards on the lightsabers. I'll tell you that I had a little fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Oil around the edge of the light saber. You know it's a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► So these are amazing technological developments now having hand protectors for your lightsabers So I like that I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► fan of that I think that's a good design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► It looked like there were just two coming out I might have more than just two. So you had a real like a disloyal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► Yeah like sensors had three hundred years ago. That's the kind of thing I might want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► I'm dangerous I think it looks like something you could you hand could slip up and touch very easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► Well I have now of course now I have to go through and watch the trailer frame by frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► but it looks like there was a little bit of metal that your handle could bump up against I don't I'm sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► nerds have analyzed this quite quite in-depth well before before to give you my story within a few days before this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► released. I sort of didn't know it was about to be released but obviously most people did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► And people started releasing spoof ones like OP fantasy ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► or sort of you know fan type trailers of what I hope the trailer would say and I also didn't know this was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5574">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► and I was on Facebook a couple of days before this trial came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► and I got tricked into clicking on one of the fan made ones not knowing it was fan made and it was really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► And I watched and I thought this is also this is going to be pretty and I was really really pleased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► and there was something that didn't quite seem right that I can remember what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► but it was there was enough to make me go into the comments and it very quickly became apparent that it was fake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► And I felt like they have a dish and like in hindsight you know there were probably lots of things I didn't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► but I obviously had my god up then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► and then this one came out so I started watching not being entirely sure if I was watching a real one or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► And I would have been more likely to have thought this one was fake then the first one I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and a lot of people be very positive of that. It's trailer and I'm less positive about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► There are a few things about it I did like and like you I have supreme confidence in J.J. Abrams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► I'm sure the film will be excellent. It will certainly be better than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► Let us not speak the name of those three films that were that were created. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► but there are a few things about this that are slightly out of me I don't know if you want to watch again there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► only seven saints in the trailer. There are seven clips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► Well I don't know if you want to adapt a feeling of feeling very conflicted at this moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► and it's again it's a funny thing because I've been talking about these movies coming out in exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► and I've been telling myself you'll go into these movies thinking that it's a kind of alternate universe that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► Star Wars and if you enjoy these movies you know that's great and then you know maybe they can be Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► but go into it. Treat him as a kind of different different kind of movie like a rebirth. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and again as soon as the trailer starts playing like in my heart of hearts like you know you can't do that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► it's really Star Wars and you're going to go into it thinking that it's really Star Wars and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► And it's not I don't want to be banned I understand it one of the things I worry about slightly is like I think I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► a lot of trust in J.J. Abrams mainly because of the first Star Trek movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► Yeah the new one the two thousand and nine Star Trek movie I think. Yeah that is by no means a perfect movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► I do have problems with that movie but overall like that is that is an exciting movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► and I think I pulled off what was just an impossible task of making you really believe in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5751">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► In Star Trek making you believe in that world you know the casting was perfect everything about that was just great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and I would have thought oh man whoever has to do the Star Trek reboot this project is just doomed no one can pull this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► off successfully and I would say you know the movie has some minor flaws but overall that was a two thumbs up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► Total success. And so that's why I feel like a very happy that J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► Abrams is doing the Star Wars because I feel the same thing that it's like this is an impossible situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► This is this is a no win scenario. It's like a Kobayashi Maru kind of scenario. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► But if anybody can pull it off it would be J.J. Abrams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► So I am hopeful but now I would like to know what is it what is it about the trailer that you don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► Always is going to go through the same by saying and say oh I thought of saying you have a list of the six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► OK let me pull it up here because I yeah I definitely have some thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► Yeah my very first thought watching the trailer is is helmet lifts stormtrooper. I don't know I don't know about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► Well my feeling about I mean I don't want to speculate about the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► when that guy pops up into his screen that made me think it was a joke that actually made me think Saturday Night Live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► like like you know you think everything's OK So when this is going to be a Star Wars and then some dude pops up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► and then I guess when I re watched it he does look very serious and worried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► Yeah he does he does look very serious and we're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► I mean to be fair my assumption is that he's not a stormtrooper he's a guy in a stormtrooper outfit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► and I think a lot of people have ashamed that you know the raid on the Death Star in a new hope with you know John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► and Luke and that that's by the by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► My first impression was when he pops up and gives you a scare and he's like got this startled look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and he's so close to the camera is that it was a joke it was a parody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5875">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► So straight away I was suspicious the first time I watched it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► I've moved on from that so that so that was that was my thought on that same the next st with the like that soccer ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► droid made me reinforced my thinking that it must be a joke because it's such a silly droid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and it's something we've never seen before so I was thinking Oh that's silly and I was pretty disappointed by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► So it was in a way it was not from to the next st had those kind of troopers on our land coming down in stormy weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► and it was quite moody and that was quite good and that was more what I expect from J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► Abrams it's going to you know we're going to have some darkness and some lens flare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► and things are going to be cool like a shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► Yeah it's gritty and it's cold and people get themselves in a tizzy about stormtroopers vs clone troopers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► and that makes me really upset because people don't understand the difference tween claim troopers and storm troopers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5934">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► This is getting into fan territory we don't need to go into every here for a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► Yeah so they're trying to change race on a cold that Sainz Conoco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► and that gives me hope that he's getting away from the George Lucas static boring shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► and we're going to have you know it's going to be modern filmmaking. Yet there was not a single couch in this trailer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► Yeah exactly so that was a Good then we have a woman getting on a spade in the desert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► and that was pretty you know pretty typical Star Wars not sounds fun. I didn't lie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► I'm neutral on that shot and looks fine but what you really do need someone to talk to you watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► and then we had the X. Wings going over the water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Cool you know it's a shape we all love in a cool new environment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► and it wasn't in the desert which relieved me because I don't want a whole film on top twenty No I shimming it's tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► twenty No I don't want a whole film on a desert planet right. That was cool that we had the light saber. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► Then with a menacing character who I think we're all the shaming is a villain we don't know that he's wearing a hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and he's got a red light saber So that's what's language for villain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► and part of that there is definitely a bit of metal that his hand can so that that the design thumbs up people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► been quite mixed in their reaction to that design. I think it looks pretty cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► And again it's a really cool saying I like the stormy weather and I like the way it's shot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► So that's good and then we have the Millennium Falcon at the end and a lot of people got very excited by the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► and most people I've heard from seem to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► or I do not like it that the million Paquin should not be doing that in my opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► I know I know it does some pretty cool things in the asteroid belt and you know it's a pretty cool ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► and don't get me wrong it's my favorite ship in the world. No You know it's my favorite ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► It just seems too nimble for me. Yeah I have had the same thought of many of you know really what it really is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► It's a bulky thing and it shouldn't be capable of such close quarters nimble flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► and people think it's great to see the Millennium Falcon really you know strutting that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► but I don't think the Millennium Falcon should be doing those kind of maneuvers in that way so I was not comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► and I hope the minium Falcon doesn't have its identity changed because obviously jobs is quite keen on the Millennium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► Falcon and you know it from the from the things he's said and shined. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► He's quite came to see this ship making a comeback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► but I hope he doesn't change it too much I like it is a big bulky freighter that you know you can you know you can it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► got some tricks up its sleeve in a very handy stuff when it has to be but let's not turn this into a little you know F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► Eighteen Hornet or something that's that's exactly what you got more personality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► The freighter and like you say is clunky doesn't handle the bass doesn't go to lightspeed immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► Yeah if it's if the Millennium Falcon is just doing all kinds of tight maneuvers like any fighter ship it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► uninteresting and we can have X. Wings doing this we have all kinds of other ships. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► Look at the look at the design of that thing in a Humvee it's not supposed to be really nimble. Exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► And one final thought is a first for a film that's clearly going to be so expensive and so meticulously done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► I think the way the name of the film comes up against the Star Wars logo at the end is really amateurish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► and crappy So it's not a surprise that got past some designers He said Yeah that's a good way to show the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► It's funny you mention that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► when it came up I had a moment of not being able to read it very well because I wasn't even sure what the name was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► and it took it took a moment longer to read it because it does come up in a strange overlapped with the yellow where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► just looks like it looks like a dog's breakfast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► And it was another thing that made me think it was fake the first time I watched it I was like you know I know proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► film company would do so anyway they are there they're my thoughts but I still am excited about the film. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► I'm sure be better than the rubbish that was served up to us for the for the prequels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► but I was not you know I wasn't as enamored by the teaser trailer as some people were just I'm still feeling mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► I'm sorry man I just had to you had to do it for me I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► and I can already tell we're going to end up talking about this a whole a whole lot more offline than even just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► we're discussing now and then we'll also talk about it more in the podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► Considering your job to have to watch that I get so the thought of getting paid for to have my say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6231">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► War's experience potentially diminished from what it could otherwise be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► You were never going to go a year with avoiding everything because people are going to make means unfunny jokes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► People have already released a George Lucas special edition of the trailer which you have to watch that that is crammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► more crap into every shot like you really ruined and no less it is not like OK as I will be able to enjoy the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► and that you know that that is a plus sign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know that it's funny you mention the Millennium Falcon though the one thing again while in J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► One thing straight from the start which has worried me was even when the casting was announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► and that was impossible to miss that piece of information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► Yeah and I love the original Star Wars movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► but I worry about how much of an inclusion of the old characters there's going to be like they released that photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► which again was impossible to ignore. Of the of the cast sitting around J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► and everybody trying to do the criminology about where are they sitting you know who's most important depending on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► Abrams the sun king of this picture and I just I just worry that the old characters will will dominate it too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► when I hear the casting it's like oh God I know I don't know how much is it going to be these three particular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► I just I don't know that not all the things we want to take from the fact none of them are in the tazer a lot about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► just on purpose to kind of Dole things out over the course of a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► and everyone so I want to say Luke Skywalker again and Han Solo again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► Yeah I think it makes sense not to have them in there but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► when I was in the Millennium Falcon I got that was kind of reminding me of oh right that you know they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► bring back this ship and you know probably Han flying it again maybe you know who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6354">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► But it's a bit like how do I want to do I want to revisit that in again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► No because it was really awesome the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► and the Star Wars universe is so huge you can have other stories take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► and still feel like that is one of my major concerns about the movie. But again I will trust J.J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► Abrams and I will certainly be let down later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► OK thanks for making me watch it rating Well hopefully you watch it again now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► and will have more to talk about I know you are now is now going to say that we're done recording I'm going to watch as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► high as thirty times in a row of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► And putting on a show right now but like now I can't wait to get off the phone with you OK OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► Repeat repeat repeat and keep watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► Well before we do that speaking about characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► and things like that as well there is one more thing I want to tell you about and I've kept a secret. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► OK And I resisted putting anything on Twitter even though I know you avoid Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► and don't say things I twenty I didn't want you to see this. So I've I've kept a secret. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► Last night I had dinner and spoke for hours with someone amazing. I'm just letting the moment hang OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► OK Should I give you a clue who this person was. Well that was my phone not in airplane mode so ruining my moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► and it's because of all our technical problems that I had on that I had an airplane loaded to send you a message so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► and what I actually know speaking of funds I'll send you a picture of me meeting this person that's how I will reveal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUBbN7U/6461">TS</a>]
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