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H.I. #25: Fantasy Stage


00:00:00   I have a feeling that today's episode is going to be a little bit. [TS]

00:00:03   What I did in my holidays like like [TS]

00:00:06   when you go to that disco than ever in history right there I say oh by the way someone got in touch the other day [TS]

00:00:13   and said Do you realize you didn't invent the term humble brag it's been around for ages and there's a book [TS]

00:00:19   and everything. [TS]

00:00:19   We are well aware of that in fact the first time humbled brake came up was you pointing out the twitter of the person [TS]

00:00:27   who is really into it so we don't think we invented humble brag. [TS]

00:00:30   Yes For the record we just enjoy a good humble brag and we kind of we discuss that way too often. [TS]

00:00:37   Yes although I believe you are probably the originator of the word hollow brag. [TS]

00:00:41   Hello Frank Yes well I have another one that I want to spring on you [TS]

00:00:46   and this is called The Brag humble this is going to be trouble this is going to be trouble what is Ike first I quite [TS]

00:00:54   like the name Brad Kumble because it's you know he's busy bragging humble like easy Breaking Bad so I think is he [TS]

00:01:00   breaking humble sounds kind of code. But but the Bragg humble is the opposite of the humble brag. [TS]

00:01:08   It contains both components but with different intent. [TS]

00:01:11   So first let's establish the humbug read all about bits of those for that for those who may have missed. [TS]

00:01:23   What we need to throw more confusion into the thing a group of our. I feel like I'm already thanking you for this. [TS]

00:01:31   Well get people off. Go ahead go ahead. For for those who may have missed it. [TS]

00:01:38   The humble brag is about saying something that is a sensibly humble but your real intent is to brag. [TS]

00:01:45   Right that's where your intent is in a humble brag is an OK brag. Right that's what you doing right. Do you agree. [TS]

00:01:51   Yeah we agree that we have agreed on the brag humble is when you brag that the intent. [TS]

00:02:00   Of the brag is to increase the humility. OK I'm going to sample this. [TS]

00:02:06   OK Let me give you an example as you know I was recently in California and I was mainly in Berkeley [TS]

00:02:13   but one day I went to the other famous university in the area which is Stanford so I went I went [TS]

00:02:20   and spent the night in a hotel because I had an early meeting got up early and you know I got prepared [TS]

00:02:26   and made my way to a meeting with a really famous important person who I was who I can't believe I got to make because [TS]

00:02:34   he rarely makes with people a girl called Don And in the world of computer science I am bragging right now. [TS]

00:02:42   OK I get it you know I went to his house I spent hours with them when we filmed some things from number fall [TS]

00:02:48   and computers are Had a GREAT had a great time with them it was fantastic. Me and don't connect the wow. [TS]

00:02:56   And even at the end he even said I had a really good time I really enjoyed it and I felt like a million dollars. [TS]

00:03:01   I then went to I went to another meeting in the form of the meeting I went to the bathroom and looked in the mirror [TS]

00:03:09   and there was this huge white streak going from the corner of my mouth basically to all the way to my ear. [TS]

00:03:16   Really like I was lucky like I was painted like you know like Indian War Paint it was so prominent [TS]

00:03:22   and also what on earth is that what's happened. So I put my finger on it and tasted it because that's what I do. [TS]

00:03:32   And luckily luckily it wasn't for what it was was a huge streak of toothpaste so clearly and I do remember that [TS]

00:03:44   and what had happened that morning is I had my electric toothbrush with me [TS]

00:03:48   but I had run out of power so I brushed my teeth with like a normal tooth brush isn't a good idea [TS]

00:03:54   and I don't like it doesn't work satisfactorily and I was in a rush [TS]

00:03:57   and I didn't look in the mirror because I'm rubbish. [TS]

00:04:00   You know when I was not around to look after me I just bought rubbish [TS]

00:04:02   and stuff so basically I spent I spent my morning with a great man a computer science you know having a fantastic time [TS]

00:04:10   with this enormous strip of toothpaste going all the way from my mouth to my ear [TS]

00:04:14   and he's too nice a guy to bring it up he was a total gentleman and I met his wife and everything [TS]

00:04:19   and I must've looked like the biggest idiot of all time. And there you go. [TS]

00:04:24   That is Greg humble because because the intent to brag just increased the humbleness at the end. [TS]

00:04:34   OK where do you stand on this. [TS]

00:04:36   I'm not impressed by that [TS]

00:04:37   but more importantly I need to know how did you get the toothpaste in his streak going all the way up to your ear. [TS]

00:04:45   Did you would put a tooth brush in your mouth and you missed [TS]

00:04:49   and you dragged it all along the side of your face is this a scenario under which you had a streak of toothpaste [TS]

00:04:56   running along the side of your face. I I don't understand. [TS]

00:04:59   I've said it before and I'll say again I'm not a morning person. [TS]

00:05:04   Yeah but that's that's pretty impressive to miss your mouth with the tooth brush. [TS]

00:05:10   I mean that I know that when I want to know what has he know what happened. [TS]

00:05:13   Hey you know what happened but I think you know what happened I don't know what happened there. [TS]

00:05:19   I didn't you know that's what happened to me. [TS]

00:05:23   So when you know when it happened I thought that's a good story I have to grab out [TS]

00:05:26   and then I thought I'm not humble bragging I'm bragging humble bragging humble because I could have told you that story [TS]

00:05:32   without the don't know talent when it was would be a story. [TS]

00:05:36   But putting the braggin increased the humility do you know gray it makes it it makes it more embarrassing. [TS]

00:05:47   I don't know if it makes it more humbling unfold on the Bragg humble I think I think he just going nuts with a [TS]

00:05:57   variation on the simple brag and this one is. A bit of reaching for straws. [TS]

00:06:01   If if if I'm being honest with you I think this is just an embarrassing story made worse. [TS]

00:06:07   It is what it is [TS]

00:06:08   but you know the more you say that the more I think it works the more you say yes it's made worse you know it increases [TS]

00:06:14   the embarrassment the more I think I'm on to something here. [TS]

00:06:18   Well Greg it's a very humble I think we will have to let listeners decide. [TS]

00:06:23   One of the main things from the last conversation was how You Tube handles sending people notifications that new videos [TS]

00:06:33   from the people they are subscribed to are out so happy how do people basically consume their You Tube [TS]

00:06:40   and tons of people got in touch to tell me about how on youtube there is a section which is called. [TS]

00:06:47   He's called my subscriptions or something like that. [TS]

00:06:50   We still has the old behavior of You Tube which is where I think it just lists all of your channels [TS]

00:06:57   and it shows which ones have new videos and which ones do not have new videos and I was very much aware of this [TS]

00:07:05   when we were having this conversation this is not a new piece of information [TS]

00:07:08   but I just wanted to point out is as a little a little minor thing that whenever you're talking about stuff with [TS]

00:07:14   computers you have to assume that the default action is basically what everybody does because so few people ever change [TS]

00:07:27   the settings I can't recall where it was [TS]

00:07:28   but I read some some analysis from app creators about how many people ever change any of the settings in their apps [TS]

00:07:36   and it is basically nobody has certain kinds of people are completely blown away by that information because I'm the [TS]

00:07:42   sort of person who is that who I download a new app before I even see what it really does let me look at all of the [TS]

00:07:47   settings What can I say how can I flip the switch is who maybe I want it this way maybe I want it that way [TS]

00:07:51   and I haven't even used the thing. [TS]

00:07:53   And so the idea that most people just they go to You Tube and they never change any of the settings is sort of foreign. [TS]

00:07:59   And for many. The people who are really into You Tube the power users that is also kind of foreign. [TS]

00:08:04   But if something something is the default You just have to assume that that is what everybody uses [TS]

00:08:10   and the people who don't use the defaults are vanishingly small percentage of the population so even if there is a [TS]

00:08:15   solution on You Tube it is functionally irrelevant. So that was my only other piece of follow up. [TS]

00:08:22   You will be surprised to hear that I'm more of a default kind of guy I am not surprised at all by the snow. [TS]

00:08:28   I apologize. There's nothing to apologize for. You live a simpler and possibly better life less less frustrated life. [TS]

00:08:36   Perhaps there was one more there was one more thing I wanted to tell you [TS]

00:08:40   and this I don't know where this fits into the show but I just want to tell you about it because it was on my mind. [TS]

00:08:46   I had I had a lot of spare time while I was away so sitting alone in my hotel room watching take my stuff my face. [TS]

00:08:53   And one of the things one of the things I did because I've heard it talked about so many times was [TS]

00:08:58   when I watched the original keynote by Steve Jobs [TS]

00:09:02   when the first i Phone was launched over there you've never seen before. I had never seen it before. [TS]

00:09:07   I'm just going I mean I'm assuming you've probably seen it multiple times and [TS]

00:09:10   when you say you're not repressed to Steve Jobs before you go to slate. Yeah that's what my life is like now. [TS]

00:09:16   Ice I saw it I think I just saw once I highly recommend it. [TS]

00:09:21   I highly recommend to anyone to watch now because watching it now is so much better over the usual stuff Assad you know [TS]

00:09:29   he did a very good job he was a good presenter it was it was you know it was a good watch [TS]

00:09:34   but the thing that's so funny is when he first takes it out and starts doing things like swiping the screen [TS]

00:09:41   and like you know zooming in and zooming out with the pinch maneuver like no one had seen that before [TS]

00:09:47   and it's like he's doing magic like the crowd. [TS]

00:09:50   Gosh he says watch this and he like he swipes the screen and pictures and frames and the crowd like what have you done. [TS]

00:10:00   This is amazing and like I had to say that now well you know even little kids do it to like T.V. [TS]

00:10:07   Screens because they just it's just an ashamed thing that will happen is really good fun [TS]

00:10:11   and to see something so recent but to see people react that way made it made it all worthwhile. [TS]

00:10:16   Two thousand and seven I think that's right. So now I don't know. [TS]

00:10:21   Look I want to tap tap tap tap tap click click click click click. [TS]

00:10:24   So you think OK So you think I haven't got much more to say about it just enjoy it and I recommend it [TS]

00:10:30   and maybe you know yet if you don't want to watch The only thing I remember from that before he introduces this is [TS]

00:10:37   we've made we've combined you know a phone and an i Pod [TS]

00:10:42   and Internet communication device I think is the way he phrased it or something like that. [TS]

00:10:46   Yeah I think if I were Internet communicator or something like that [TS]

00:10:50   but the thing that I think is interesting about that little section is that the crowd you can hear them respond very [TS]

00:10:55   positively to the first two things the phone and the i Pod. But the Internet communicator part is a bit more muffled. [TS]

00:11:04   Where people are not super excited about that and it's partly because you don't know the magic of this phone [TS]

00:11:10   and you don't you don't know yet how your whole life is about to be transformed by the fact of this thing is connected [TS]

00:11:15   to the Internet you know you haven't experienced that yet [TS]

00:11:18   and so you are excited by the things that you do know being combined. [TS]

00:11:22   But it's not it's not like it's not obvious at the time that the biggest deal is that last part it's not the first two [TS]

00:11:29   parts [TS]

00:11:30   but yeah that's my that's my only memory of the thing so you recommend it for people I will see if I can find a link [TS]

00:11:36   and put it in the show notes. [TS]

00:11:38   Now I haven't got a particular plane crash going on [TS]

00:11:42   but I've got plane crash going to follow up because a few people have sent me a little bit about this. [TS]

00:11:48   We talked about in the previous episode about how [TS]

00:11:52   when a plane crashes the logo of the plane can be on display for all to say [TS]

00:11:58   and that can be quite embarrassing for the company. [TS]

00:12:00   And he talked about how that's a good thing because it makes the companies accountable for their wrongdoings [TS]

00:12:04   and things like that. [TS]

00:12:06   Since then I have found out about [TS]

00:12:08   and I did not know this was the case which makes me feel a bit silly because I'm supposedly a plane crash enthusiastic [TS]

00:12:14   same's now which is a weird way to describe yourself anyway if you are you are a professional plane crash ANALYST I [TS]

00:12:23   think is what we can say no I consider myself more of an amateur airplane crash [TS]

00:12:27   and it was there's ads on this podcast but at this stage you are a professional. [TS]

00:12:32   I would consider myself more of a hobbyist when it comes to plane crashes. [TS]

00:12:36   So yeah not relevant so [TS]

00:12:39   but what I have learned from people who are more knowledgeable than me is that it is a common practice [TS]

00:12:44   when a plane has a mishap for one of the first things the company does is either cover [TS]

00:12:50   or paint over their logo like on on like basically on the wreckage so that all the pictures and never Tivoli get taken. [TS]

00:12:58   Don't highlight what's going on. [TS]

00:13:01   Wow And I've got I've got a link this was this was sent to us by a few people so apologies for not name checking it [TS]

00:13:06   but you know this was a Thai Airways plane which skidded off a runway somewhere in Bangkok it appears [TS]

00:13:18   and oh wow Khan There's a picture of this is a picture of the plane kind of you know on its belly looking you know [TS]

00:13:25   looking a bit stricken and they've basically just painted it. It's been done in fact it looks fake. [TS]

00:13:30   It looks like it's been done in Photoshop. [TS]

00:13:32   They're basically just going with black paint and painted over their name [TS]

00:13:35   and then they go everywhere so that you know what this looks like is it is though someone has redacted the airplane. [TS]

00:13:44   Someone has that in a black marker and just rushed right across the side and just scribbled over the tailfin. [TS]

00:13:51   And as far as I'm concerned that should be illegal. This this should not be allowed to happen. Oh that is. [TS]

00:14:00   If if this is an illegal activity does that mean you and I get to invent a name for it. [TS]

00:14:08   Yes Yes Listen if you want to try to go over the name for this I think aircraft redaction is quite a cool sounding term. [TS]

00:14:16   Or maybe maybe brand redaction. I don't know it feels like it. [TS]

00:14:19   Business is broader than just airplanes trying to hide your brand. [TS]

00:14:22   When something bad has happened [TS]

00:14:24   but all the rejection does have that as a you say maybe we need to come up with a different word I don't know the word [TS]

00:14:32   action what is the other use for action Well you know a lot like rejection is in the you know with confidential [TS]

00:14:37   documents I mean they can be good reasons to reject information you will put the link in the show so everyone can say [TS]

00:14:43   this redacted plain. Yes I well I well nothing on especially black marks all over its name and logo. [TS]

00:14:49   Cheating they cheating here if you do that if you do the crime you do the time [TS]

00:14:55   and that means having your logo plastered all over the Internet. Yeah that is really awful to see. [TS]

00:15:01   Well I don't I don't know what to think about it anyway. [TS]

00:15:05   I do it's all new you outraged I kind of thought you know I think it's pretty I think it's probably not right. [TS]

00:15:14   Yeah it's pretty not. [TS]

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00:17:04   or at the very least you're short a nice clean shave for that kiss under the mistletoe. [TS]

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00:17:12   and getting quick for that Christmas offer if you're listening to the podcast sometime after Christmas. [TS]

00:17:17   Well I hope you enjoyed your Christmas with a nice smooth shave. [TS]

00:17:24   Now another reason this may be a short is we have spent so much time together like that yes in fact in fact I would say [TS]

00:17:31   well my sick of each other. I would I would never get sick if you Brady I never think of you. [TS]

00:17:37   We even shared a bus room for a way to almost Yes we did. [TS]

00:17:41   Very I think I think we shared it very well [TS]

00:17:43   and I think there were no probably did we did I joked about using your towel to dry myself [TS]

00:17:48   but I didn't ever do I assume that you didn't ever do it on my way back from California we went to Alabama [TS]

00:17:56   and met with Destin from Smarter Every day. Henry. From Minute Physics and from various sets S.T.M. [TS]

00:18:05   and I'm not I'm never going to stop doing that by the way. We met with Derek from very attached to him. [TS]

00:18:13   Yes check back with who might not know in advance who you're talking about [TS]

00:18:19   and we obviously we we did this random acts of intelligence show which we may talk about shortly. [TS]

00:18:26   In the Wake Building up to that we just like to hang out in Alabama. [TS]

00:18:31   Tell me about your trip over because I know you love a good I know you love talking about planes and travels [TS]

00:18:36   and all the things that work you know how was your trip over do it do I love talking about that stuff I don't know. [TS]

00:18:43   Usually stand by presumably yes I flew to stand by and I lucked out both times on this trip. [TS]

00:18:51   Both going or going to America. [TS]

00:18:53   I got the incredibly rare first class seat which is like an amazing space pod from the future so that was that was [TS]

00:19:03   quite enjoyable. [TS]

00:19:04   And if you ever fly first class it's almost sad when the flight is over even if it is a transatlantic flight. [TS]

00:19:10   I feel like I could live in that first class cabin. I want to kick you in the shins Now that's very mature of you. [TS]

00:19:15   Yeah a lucky man this is what makes all of the stress and anxiety of flying standby occasionally worth it [TS]

00:19:22   but that is not exceedingly rare. I never upgrade may I'm always stuck in the back with all the cattle. [TS]

00:19:30   But you fly you fly all the time [TS]

00:19:32   but you have some miles programs I mean that's what I keep thinking I keep thinking they're going to come up to me [TS]

00:19:37   and say Mr Heron you have been chosen. You get to go into the pointy end in the space probe with C.D.P. [TS]

00:19:44   Gray but never happens ever never happens I think you you know it in the parable. Miles program I'm sorry. [TS]

00:19:51   Or maybe they say that special over my face and say we can see that it is also quite possible. [TS]

00:20:00   So was she tired after sitting in the space cause as much as it is possible to arrive bright eyed [TS]

00:20:06   and bushy tailed because travel is terrible obviously and then on the way back leaving from D.C. Coming back to the U.K. [TS]

00:20:13   I looked out again and got business class [TS]

00:20:15   and I was able to have a little sleep on the airplane which is very nice because that I don't occasionally think about [TS]

00:20:21   how terrifying flying is if you're unconscious you don't it's a much shorter experience after flying first class was [TS]

00:20:28   business class like a real comedown boy. Well I know I can't believe I have to fly business class. Oh disgusting. [TS]

00:20:36   It wasn't I often think that first class is only for people for whom money just doesn't matter at all because first [TS]

00:20:47   class is it's like if you look at the prices sometimes for a sale like a London to J.F.K. or London to D.C. Trip. [TS]

00:20:55   First class tickets will be three times as much as a business class ticket [TS]

00:21:00   and business class tickets already run you know five to ten thousand dollars. [TS]

00:21:05   It's like those first class seats are just crazy expensive sometimes. [TS]

00:21:09   But I am of the opinion that the first class seats are not that much better that the business class [TS]

00:21:16   and first class on many airplanes is very comparable. [TS]

00:21:20   So this is only for people for whom the marginal value of dollars is just irrelevant. [TS]

00:21:25   The people I have billions of dollars [TS]

00:21:28   and I will pay tens of thousands of dollars to be very slightly more comfortable because money is just completely [TS]

00:21:35   irrelevant to me. So even if you are like a millionaire first class doesn't necessarily make any financial sense. [TS]

00:21:42   You have to just have a crazy amount of money [TS]

00:21:45   or have a company that doesn't mind just spending a crazy amount of money to fly first class so no business class [TS]

00:21:50   or business class was not like some terrible comedown it was still great to be able to fly business class. [TS]

00:21:56   I think the only way first class would be worthwhile was if I had. Scalia Hansen personally delivering me peanut M. [TS]

00:22:03   and M's and and back issues of N.T.S.B. Crash reports while I was up while I was singing. [TS]

00:22:11   Read my mind over the intercom to everyone I was on the plane. Then you would pay the thirty thousand. [TS]

00:22:18   I would consider a Under those circumstances and those circumstances only. That's good to know. [TS]

00:22:25   That's good to know I'll see if I can arrange that. [TS]

00:22:27   Well congratulations on your upgrade I'm sorry about saying I want to kick you in the shins I don't [TS]

00:22:32   and I am happy for you and all that sort of stuff. [TS]

00:22:35   Meanwhile my flying experience involved him saying sorry your camera bags too big you going to have to check under the [TS]

00:22:40   plane [TS]

00:22:41   and I was unwilling to put all my camera equipment under the plan so I literally had to I had to take all my cameras [TS]

00:22:47   and equipment out and just like hold it in my eye for the cradle like a baby I was I was cradling all these cameras [TS]

00:22:55   and lenses and stuff it was like I was like some kind of cannon sponsored hobo. [TS]

00:23:04   That's a good mental image there for everybody to look around [TS]

00:23:07   and see who to look at those Impreza lenses that person has. [TS]

00:23:09   So I didn't have such a nice flying experience but I'm sorry what else can you tell me about travel. [TS]

00:23:15   I do have I do have a minor frustration which is kind of a follow up from I think the last episode I don't know one of [TS]

00:23:22   the recent episodes anyway. We were talking about not reading the instruction manuals. [TS]

00:23:27   The nexus of the last one [TS]

00:23:28   and we both came to the conclusion that instruction manuals need to be presented in pictograph form that the [TS]

00:23:39   instruction manual is perfect [TS]

00:23:41   or the instructions that came with the blue Yeti with little cartoon showing you how to use the microphone. [TS]

00:23:47   This is about is about what I'm acceptable [TS]

00:23:50   but this is about what I will tolerate for acting after the kind of caveman proofs given proof Egyptian hieroglyphics. [TS]

00:23:59   Very. [TS]

00:24:00   We're images showing what's going on [TS]

00:24:01   and that is the thing that irritates me at airports so I guess on this trip I had four airports in London North [TS]

00:24:11   Carolina Washington D.C. [TS]

00:24:13   and Huntsville and then back again through the bunch [TS]

00:24:16   and I do not understand why particularly international airports don't have gigantic signs in the security area showing [TS]

00:24:27   you what to do with what shoes off laptops out. [TS]

00:24:31   One of the things that you need to do because they're not the same everywhere for everyone who is traveling through a [TS]

00:24:36   place like London Heathrow [TS]

00:24:38   and I get annoyed that the security guards get annoyed that people don't just magically know what to do [TS]

00:24:46   and they have instructions but they are usually tiny and they are very usually written instructions as well [TS]

00:24:53   and I just think there needs to be on the back wall as big as you can possibly make it a picture of a person with their [TS]

00:25:01   i Pad either in their backpack or out of their backpack. Right this is what we need to have just I have a crazy uncle. [TS]

00:25:08   I don't know I don't know exactly where I stand on that. I people are at their dumbest in airports. [TS]

00:25:14   That's why you need to help them with gigantic picture because it's like they've just like stepped off an alien [TS]

00:25:19   spaceship and they don't and they're like they're looking around dazed and confused. [TS]

00:25:24   The stand in stupid places and they're like I don't know what they're doing so people do need help [TS]

00:25:30   but I don't know I don't know why because I don't know what the big picture grams will help I don't imagine that even [TS]

00:25:37   helped that much because people it is too dominant thoughts [TS]

00:25:40   but also the problem is like technology changes really quickly. I'm like Do I take my laptop out. [TS]

00:25:45   Yes Do I take an i Pad out yesterday take a Kindle I know like and everything's you know and do I take my shoes off [TS]

00:25:55   and sometimes they say yes and sometimes they say no depending on the shoes and. [TS]

00:26:00   It's really really complicated really really quickly [TS]

00:26:03   and I think the kind of the subtleties involved here by the need to be removed [TS]

00:26:09   or don't lend themselves to pictograms just to tell everybody shoes off because it's going to be faster if everybody [TS]

00:26:15   just take shoes off as opposed to oh me or no not me or are you sure I don't need to take the shoes off. [TS]

00:26:21   That is just causes huge delays any kind of uncertainty to the she's going to try to they have to go on a different [TS]

00:26:27   side of the computer can the computer go on the same train as my thing [TS]

00:26:30   and like this is why I think if if you can't reduce the instructions to pictograph levels you cannot expect those [TS]

00:26:38   instructions to happen so if you could have a picture of a dude taking his shoes off everybody takes their shoes off. [TS]

00:26:45   I Pad in or out of the bag. Everybody's i Pad in or out of the bag any tablet like thing is in or out of the bag. [TS]

00:26:51   You just you just make that call. [TS]

00:26:53   And don't don't have the oh is it a Kindle is it not a Kindle question that just that is just terrible [TS]

00:26:58   and I'm a total pariah that now though man you should say Me I'm amazing. One saying this movement. [TS]

00:27:03   Yeah I do a lot of pre preparation for the security line at the airport and I look around [TS]

00:27:09   and I was still I don't travel a lot. [TS]

00:27:12   But surely other people must know that [TS]

00:27:13   when you get to the front of the line they want you to take things out of your pockets. [TS]

00:27:17   Like if you ever have an airport and they look stunned they're like oh I had no idea this is going to happen. [TS]

00:27:22   I've been I've been watching a hundred people in front of me do it for the last ten minutes [TS]

00:27:26   but I didn't think I was going to have to do it. [TS]

00:27:28   So my advice always for traveling [TS]

00:27:31   when you going through security is you need one of two things you need one either to be wearing a jacket that has [TS]

00:27:36   pockets that you can zip up or you need an empty front pocket on your suitcase that also has a zipper [TS]

00:27:42   and so I don't know yet one of those two things while you are on line you take everything out of your pockets [TS]

00:27:48   and just shove it into one of those two things [TS]

00:27:51   and usually for me that's my jacket so just everything goes in the jacket zip up the pockets and put it through the X. [TS]

00:27:56   Ray machine. No problem there. That's good advice. [TS]

00:28:00   Should have should have been the eleventh Commandment when Moses came down off the mountain because that is a good go. [TS]

00:28:04   It makes things it makes things so much easier. But the i Pad is the really tricky one. [TS]

00:28:08   The in or out one because I asked several security agents and I got different answers about no of course not [TS]

00:28:13   and yes of course always i Pad in or out and is also my first time flying in America. [TS]

00:28:19   After the the rule change that they've just made about having electronics on during takeoff [TS]

00:28:24   and landing I don't know if you were aware of that [TS]

00:28:27   but it used to always be these that the big lie where it was like oh if anybody leaves their i Phone on this whole [TS]

00:28:32   plane is going down right so everybody has to learn off all the electronic devices during takeoff [TS]

00:28:37   and landing which was manifestly wrong. [TS]

00:28:39   Right the people don't even know how to turn off their i Phones I'm just people just don't so obviously it was OK [TS]

00:28:44   but they changed the rule. [TS]

00:28:45   But now we have this very confusing announcement which is it's something like please go away. [TS]

00:28:53   All large electronic devices and small electronic devices can be used during land landing and take off. [TS]

00:29:01   So where is the line here by the way like where does an i Pad Mini foal an i Pad and the Kindle and the. [TS]

00:29:06   Well this is so the first time this happened to me I thought well look at me I'm here with an i Pad [TS]

00:29:11   and i have the regular full i Pad Air size one and I thought Well clearly this is a large electronic device. [TS]

00:29:16   So I'm going to put it in my bag but I look around [TS]

00:29:18   and I notice other people while we are taking off are reading on their i Pads [TS]

00:29:22   and i feel like a sucker sitting there being bored with nothing to do. [TS]

00:29:26   And so the next couple of flights I had it out but I felt like I need to be kind of sneaky about it [TS]

00:29:32   but the flight attendants never said anything so I thought OK I guess an i Pad counts as a small electronic device. [TS]

00:29:38   Clearly doesn't seem like it should to me but that that announcement is not helpful. What is large What is small. [TS]

00:29:44   I don't understand they should just say laptops away tablets are fine but I think that's a lot clearer. [TS]

00:29:50   But I don't I don't know if you're going to be in gendering a lot of sympathy [TS]

00:29:54   and love from the listenership as you talk about your problems with which electronic devices you can have out. [TS]

00:30:00   First class from England to America. Well I only had my i Pad with me I didn't have anything. [TS]

00:30:08   So while we've while we continue talking about your millionaire lifestyle I wish I see I see the next item a lot going [TS]

00:30:15   on if you're not typically does not know this is this is a terrible time to bring this up. [TS]

00:30:21   I save my stuff [TS]

00:30:22   and then I say I say that I think I see that while you were not while you were not sitting in the space [TS]

00:30:30   but you were living it up in the airport. Kyle I need to explain myself now. You do the crime you do the time. [TS]

00:30:41   Flying back from health care. Brothers up now when I was going to fly right by this one. No chance. [TS]

00:30:48   Flying flying back from Alabama to London I had the downside of flying standby which is I left Alabama on Sunday night [TS]

00:30:58   but I was not able to get on the plane Sunday night to take me home and though I was I was stranded in Washington D.C. [TS]

00:31:07   And for those of you who know Washington Dulles Airport is one of the worst airports in the world. [TS]

00:31:13   It is absolutely terrible. [TS]

00:31:15   It's just the whole airport is designed to feel claustrophobic it is a single just unbelievably long tube [TS]

00:31:24   and I swear the ceiling must be only seven feet from the ground. It's just it's awful and they have some problem. [TS]

00:31:32   For years now I've come in and out of Dulles. They have some problem with the heating system in this gigantic airport. [TS]

00:31:38   And so as you walk between sections of this endless column some of the sections it must be eighty five degrees [TS]

00:31:46   and steamy and tropical and and then other sections. [TS]

00:31:49   It's like an Arctic wasteland [TS]

00:31:51   and so you know we're in the airport is even remotely comfortable to be Plus there's the claustrophobia feeling [TS]

00:31:56   everywhere and they have the worst selection of shops ever. [TS]

00:32:00   It's just it's a terrible terrible airport I just I don't understand why it hasn't been burned to the ground [TS]

00:32:05   and they just start over because it's awful. [TS]

00:32:08   So I was looking forward to about seven hours in one of my least favorite airports in the world. [TS]

00:32:15   That's a long time it is a very long time because I'm not the panicky person that I am I'm not going to go do anything [TS]

00:32:20   in D.C. Because then I have to you know strategize about when am I going to get back. [TS]

00:32:24   And there's always the possibility that flights change [TS]

00:32:25   and things so I need to be near the airport anyway so I had a basically a full working day in the airport [TS]

00:32:31   and I remembered a comment that you said on the last pod cast which wouldn't have crossed my mind otherwise. [TS]

00:32:37   So I blame this entirely on you which is that some of the lounges at the airports you can pay to get into the lounge [TS]

00:32:45   and you cannot do what I was confused about is you cannot do this with the first class lounges. [TS]

00:32:51   Those are are for just the billionaires who care not about money [TS]

00:32:55   but yet for the rest of us you can purchase a day past some of those lounges [TS]

00:32:59   and I thought I have seven hours in this god awful airport. [TS]

00:33:02   I would never normally do this but I'm going to buy one of these passes today and so I did [TS]

00:33:07   and so I spent most of the day in a somewhat comatose state just sitting in front of a big window [TS]

00:33:13   and watching airplanes take off [TS]

00:33:15   and watching the ground crew do stuff in a relatively comfortable environment so that was a little airport lounge [TS]

00:33:21   experience. But I'm going to run because I would've done it if you hadn't mentioned it last time. I would not. [TS]

00:33:26   A million edge exercise. Would you do it again that was a good advice. [TS]

00:33:29   If I had what would be my cutoff point I think I think if I had three and a half [TS]

00:33:39   or more hours at Dulles I would buy the pass again and I think that that is the point at which it makes sense. [TS]

00:33:45   Less than three and a half hours. [TS]

00:33:47   It starts becoming this is just like I'm not sure this is entirely worth it but this is really awful. [TS]

00:33:54   So would also depend on how tolerant a feeling of the world in general but I think that that's the cutoff point. [TS]

00:34:00   Anyway must must like that from Chicago got delayed by four hours just on the runway. [TS]

00:34:06   I know I was in inside of it and I hadn't put it on the plane. Fixing up the brakes or something. [TS]

00:34:12   I hate it when there's a mechanical thing I start getting them about the plane you know. [TS]

00:34:17   If you've been on a plane or they had a mechanical thing you're flying over the ocean. [TS]

00:34:20   I mean it's already hard not to think about the black abyss of water that awaits for you below the airplane. [TS]

00:34:27   It's extra difficult when you know you're on a plane that they just may be barely fixed a few hours ago [TS]

00:34:33   and yeah I get vertigo sometimes just even thinking about what is beneath the airplane especially when it's over water. [TS]

00:34:40   That's no good because on land you have a chance unless you have a chance on water. [TS]

00:34:44   Nothing but death awaits you if you crash in the middle of the ocean that just is just over over if you're lucky. [TS]

00:34:50   Quickly not you know it could take days. [TS]

00:34:53   Sorry I didn't mean to be going on like that I was trying to so I thought I was the molded plane crash. [TS]

00:35:00   You're encroaching on my territory. [TS]

00:35:02   Is this is it this is a personal fear you are interested in the deaths of others I am interested in avoiding my own [TS]

00:35:08   death and on an airplane you know it is obviously it is. [TS]

00:35:12   It is shockingly safe air travel but there is that that situation of you have no control. [TS]

00:35:19   Sometimes I find my mind wandering towards the pilots and thinking. I wonder if he got a lot of sleep last night. [TS]

00:35:26   Or what if the pilot just had a divorce and he wants to kill himself and he's going to take all of us down with him. [TS]

00:35:32   What do we do under that situation. [TS]

00:35:33   Not very much not very much at all and so you just you know you start thinking about all the worst case scenarios. [TS]

00:35:39   Plus mechanical failure plus dying of exposure in the water. Anyway I hope you're enjoying your flight. [TS]

00:35:45   Tim I was I was watching a Louis C.K. [TS]

00:35:51   Special the other day on Netflix I think it was the one called hilarious [TS]

00:35:55   and he was talking about people who complain about having their flights delayed and. [TS]

00:36:00   How angry that makes him because they're like oh I was delayed for two hours and they get really moody and whiny [TS]

00:36:05   and he's must turn around [TS]

00:36:06   and say to them you were flying like in achieve it hundreds of miles an hour through the sky [TS]

00:36:12   and magically got from one place to another. [TS]

00:36:15   That would have taken weeks or months in the past and then you're complaining about a few hours today [TS]

00:36:21   and that has made me a little bit cautious at the moment about complaining about my four hour delay [TS]

00:36:27   and apparent I get I get some kind of a refund [TS]

00:36:29   or something from the airline if I go to a Web site that I have not yet gone to. I should do that. [TS]

00:36:35   Yeah you can get right on that. If I kept lists I would put on a list. [TS]

00:36:42   That's that's exactly why they make you do a thing before the refund they know almost everybody doesn't do that thing. [TS]

00:36:47   That's that's why you have to do a thing they don't just do that I must do that if I just came out [TS]

00:36:51   and like just like gave you a few twenties going to be cool with it but that's not what they're going to do [TS]

00:36:56   and will be vouchers to have to fly with them again. [TS]

00:36:59   Yeah that's almost certainly what you're going to get and then never upgrade me. [TS]

00:37:03   I'm terribly kind as you and it's your mum's Alan. Oh yeah yeah we can do about that. [TS]

00:37:08   Spoiler alert we will be able to do anything. Well I'm hoping maybe you can. [TS]

00:37:13   My my my my I had my best man changed his like family thing so he could fly him to my wedding. [TS]

00:37:21   But you can only change it once every six months or something. [TS]

00:37:23   Who your designated person is yet is a whole bunch of limits on that and it's not going happen very well. [TS]

00:37:30   Your parents quite like me don't know. [TS]

00:37:33   OK OK so I visited my parents for a week before the Alabama thing [TS]

00:37:38   and my parents are probably listening right now because I swear no actually no actually right now but yeah [TS]

00:37:45   but listening to it listening to the recorded thing yeah I swear one of the most popular topics of conversation in the [TS]

00:37:52   house was how much they love Brady and how Brady is on the podcast. [TS]

00:38:00   Then when a whole bunch of love for Brady and also a whole bunch of concern about Audrey and Lulu [TS]

00:38:06   and they remember into how great Brady It was really it was a strange experience to be their son [TS]

00:38:14   and to feel like Let's talk about Brady s'more. [TS]

00:38:19   I mean clearly this is clearly they have never met me or they would think very differently [TS]

00:38:23   but do they know us about like to ask about you [TS]

00:38:26   and like to say I love that little joke you made that was a really good point you made in the podcast. [TS]

00:38:32   OK So to give you give you an example of the kind of comment that I had while I was home my mother said numerous times [TS]

00:38:41   that you are really likable and she wanted to know why I could not be more likable. [TS]

00:38:47   Mike Brady said everybody likes Brady Not everybody likes you. That's clearly not true. [TS]

00:38:56   She's obviously not reading the Reddit comments she's reading this I think you've read the reviews on i Tunes which are [TS]

00:39:03   are very pro Brady and then sometimes brew me sometimes anti me but that's OK That's OK. [TS]

00:39:09   But anyway the point is they love [TS]

00:39:12   and adore you so I may very well actually find myself without any standby tickets the next time I try flying because [TS]

00:39:18   all of them have been given to you that might be the case [TS]

00:39:21   or that would be no I don't want to drive a wedge between you and your family [TS]

00:39:26   but I probably would for Stand by tickets for enough oh say you might have to cut this next bit because I'm going to [TS]

00:39:35   specifically thank your dad for giving me those Harry's razor blades. [TS]

00:39:40   Oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:39:41   and I know he will I know he made a big deal about it not being a big do because for those who don't know I can't get [TS]

00:39:49   my Harry's razor blades here in the U.K. Yet because they're not delivering here. [TS]

00:39:53   But Gray's dad got me a secret stash and sent them with gray and they're waiting for me [TS]

00:39:58   and I was given to me on the condition. [TS]

00:40:00   I'm not thank him or email him or do anything because it sounds like he's a pretty humble guy. [TS]

00:40:05   Well two things about this one. [TS]

00:40:09   I will take this moment to point out that there were no presents waiting for me when I came home. [TS]

00:40:13   But here is the president as opposed to delivered to you just so my parents know how much I hate carrying extra stuff [TS]

00:40:22   like this but this was you know no you need to bring these to Brady because we really like it [TS]

00:40:27   and the second thing is that my my family we haven't really done gifts for birthdays and holidays for a very long time. [TS]

00:40:38   As a whole family we're not a real we heart stuff kind of family we do we don't have a whole bunch of needs [TS]

00:40:44   and so then trying to buy stuff for a bunch of other people who also don't want anything make for a difficult holiday [TS]

00:40:50   as everybody was a lot happier [TS]

00:40:52   when we decided you know what let's just get together instead of doing all of these things as a result of this if my [TS]

00:40:56   parents do give a gift they'd feel like they don't want to burden the other person with having to now thank them. [TS]

00:41:04   So that's why my father was very insistent that if I give you these razor blades I need to make it clear how things [TS]

00:41:10   work in this family and it is and again I have no obligation to send him a thank you [TS]

00:41:15   and that he will probably be slightly annoyed if you send him a thank you because you were in your time. [TS]

00:41:19   Well I said I'm going to say Mr Gray I have no comments on those razor blades you sent whatsoever. [TS]

00:41:25   I'm just going to I'm going to be silent on the matter. Although if your family has this kind of. [TS]

00:41:31   If no one likes getting presents and gifts but these holidays exist as a sort of a gift giving time. [TS]

00:41:39   Why don't you start a new tradition of everyone in your family buying me a gift. [TS]

00:41:45   I always want to think what my million subscriber button point gift from my parents I think we need to start setting [TS]

00:41:54   some boundaries Brady I don't know. I present. [TS]

00:42:00   It's a present from your family I think next maybe not maybe I'm pushing my luck this move on. [TS]

00:42:07   You did write something here that Irish U.S. [TS]

00:42:09   Passport design was so that when I first saw some of the images for the redesign of the U.S. [TS]

00:42:16   Passport I thought they were a joke. [TS]

00:42:19   I did not think that they were real and what they made me think of was there's a section on Reddit called America. [TS]

00:42:28   So it's America R slash America are you familiar with America. Vaguely yes yeah. [TS]

00:42:34   So it is a kind of jokey section where it's super hyper patriotic pretend place where people post Photo Shopped images [TS]

00:42:45   of for example a blink in holding the U.S. Constitution while writing a bear on the moon and shooting space Nazis. [TS]

00:42:55   Yeah yeah I'll just say Merica are across the top with a big exclamation mark so it is kind of making fun of a [TS]

00:43:02   particular sort of hyper patriotism that is the real thing in America I know. [TS]

00:43:08   Well when we went to that Alabama football match [TS]

00:43:11   and they were playing in the national anthem they were showing like a fighting chance. On the screen on the T.V. [TS]

00:43:17   Screen. So I was singing the national anthem looking at a fully laden missile carrying fighter jet Yaraka. [TS]

00:43:23   Yes that's exactly right so so when I saw the redesign I honestly thought this looks like something from America. [TS]

00:43:30   Like is this a prank that people are pulling to try to make it seem like this is the passport redesign because [TS]

00:43:37   when you open up the passport there are just [TS]

00:43:40   and all of the pages where there are supposed to be clear spaces for stamps. [TS]

00:43:44   So I don't know maybe you could see the stamps in the various places that you've gone. [TS]

00:43:48   Now there are these full color pictures of all kinds of hyper patriotic American stuff and I think in fact you know. [TS]

00:44:00   Like monuments and fields of grain and mountains [TS]

00:44:03   and I don't know if space rockets all kinds of America think one of them is Neil Armstrong on the moon. [TS]

00:44:10   Now undoubtedly these are all you know great things that are American [TS]

00:44:15   but the design of them on the passport it just it looks terrible. [TS]

00:44:19   It's just it's too much it's chod island that you need to dial it down especially for a passport because it's been like [TS]

00:44:26   oh well now I'm going to put you know I'm going to put stamps on this right [TS]

00:44:29   and I think this really is why would why would you leave America I guess you would never leave America you see you know [TS]

00:44:35   you just got to have it as an object of adoration or the worst one which is kind of makes me laugh [TS]

00:44:42   when you open up the passport to the to the page that you're supposed to show the dude [TS]

00:44:48   when you're going into a country the top of it is this huge eagle it's this big eagle face [TS]

00:44:55   and I hope every time I open up the passport I think it should make a little proud. [TS]

00:45:01   Sound right like the screaming eagle sounds just like the birthday cards that open up and start playing music. [TS]

00:45:07   I'm honestly surprised that they didn't put a little sound effect in there for when you open up the passport. [TS]

00:45:13   It just it just looks unreal it's like it can't possibly be the actual design but it is [TS]

00:45:21   and I kind of think it's terrible [TS]

00:45:25   but it is also like well I guess this is America you know America not known for her subtlety. Yeah. [TS]

00:45:31   So I'm not a I'm not a huge fan of the redesigned passport but I got that one a few years ago [TS]

00:45:38   and then just barely like days before I was supposed to leave for this trip. [TS]

00:45:43   I got my Irish passport in the mail [TS]

00:45:45   and I think they have done exactly what the American passport has done except in a nice subtle way. [TS]

00:45:51   So it's the same thing where on the passport stamp pages there are Irish designs seen from Irish history or. [TS]

00:46:00   Physical locations in Ireland [TS]

00:46:02   but they know how to do it because it's sort of two tone green where the pages are light green [TS]

00:46:07   and then the designs are a slightly darker green maybe with a little blue tip to as an accent color [TS]

00:46:13   but it looks like something that you could put a stamp on and then the stamp would be clearly visible. [TS]

00:46:18   It doesn't look like the pages are supposed to be the thing like it does in the American passport so I really like it [TS]

00:46:25   is like a fraud prevention thing isn't it these pages and designs and says there is. [TS]

00:46:30   It's not it's there is a method to the madness [TS]

00:46:32   but it can't be done in a more dialed down why it doesn't you don't have to have it like full color paintings on the [TS]

00:46:39   moon for fields of grain and I just order the Liberty Bell or you know I don't know it just [TS]

00:46:47   and I'm going to give a thumbs up to the Irish passport I think it looks very nice and. [TS]

00:46:52   I kind of like a thumbs down to the U.S. [TS]

00:46:55   Passport [TS]

00:46:56   but also just like an inevitable sigh like well I guess it couldn't be anything else could it I mean this is what it [TS]

00:47:03   was going to be so anyway the U.S. Transports Irish passports. [TS]

00:47:07   I mean this is not a good day to be talking to me about passports because I have not told you about the polis I have [TS]

00:47:13   been through today involving passports. Oh yeah it was this is for you have been traveling for like five weeks. [TS]

00:47:22   You're back in the U.K. For what four days is that right. [TS]

00:47:26   Yes some short amount of time and then you are going straight to India is that right. [TS]

00:47:31   Well well I'm supposed today this is now in some doubt because basically I require a visa to go to India [TS]

00:47:41   and you have to you have to be in the U.K. [TS]

00:47:43   To apply for your visa so I could've done this in advance [TS]

00:47:46   and I don't know if you have much experience with Indian bureaucracy. [TS]

00:47:51   You know how hot India is I'm never going to India. [TS]

00:47:54   I love the people of India and I'm very thankful to any of them who watch my videos or listen to this podcast. [TS]

00:48:01   Your bureaucracy is not one of my favorite things I have been a few times for it always causes problems [TS]

00:48:08   and that has caused me tremendous problems today to the point where I doubt I will get my visa in time for the flight [TS]

00:48:15   on Sunday which is already paid for so I will see what happens but I would not [TS]

00:48:21   and I I think you know I'm going to end this before we even start I am not going to tell you the story because it's [TS]

00:48:27   just it's a little bit. [TS]

00:48:30   Yeah but but but the highlight [TS]

00:48:33   but there was one highlight which were the pay which I like that I like that whatever that I'm really curious like what [TS]

00:48:38   is the story that is to first world problems for our podcast which is basically for his world. [TS]

00:48:44   Well yeah I think that we all have to ask you offline about this like a curiosity now Peter. [TS]

00:48:49   But the moment you will enjoy it was when I was in the I went to Birmingham City in the U.K. [TS]

00:48:56   As most people would know I went to Benning [TS]

00:48:58   and we saw I had status for various reasons I was told I couldn't apply in Birmingham because I live in a part of [TS]

00:49:04   England where they don't accept them where they don't accept applications. [TS]

00:49:08   So anyway I said Well I'm here now so what we can do about this [TS]

00:49:12   and it turns out by chance I did have an address in another part of England that I could use [TS]

00:49:18   and I said all right you can use other address you can put your application in here [TS]

00:49:22   but you're going to have to refill the phone [TS]

00:49:24   and I couldn't I had to be typed in everything I couldn't just cross it out put a different address they said you going [TS]

00:49:28   to have to redo the whole form. [TS]

00:49:30   We talked it all online and I'm like Oh for goodness sake well where can I do that [TS]

00:49:36   and they said well four blocks that way is a library you can go to so I was sent to this library. [TS]

00:49:44   Like in the middle of nowhere where I then walked in and like had to book a computer and then sit down [TS]

00:49:50   and really fill out this form that I filled out the night before retiring you know [TS]

00:49:55   and then the computer then crashed and I had to do a third time and then I had to pay my. [TS]

00:50:00   Thirty pence to printed out on my computer right operating walk walk back to the this center. [TS]

00:50:08   Get another number and get in the queue again. [TS]

00:50:10   Every time I went up to the counter there was some other little tiny piece of minutiae that had to be done on now we [TS]

00:50:17   need you to fill out a declaration saying what cameras you going to take to the country. [TS]

00:50:21   So I then had to go and get a scrap of paper and I hand write I am Brady Haran and I would take a can [TS]

00:50:26   and say one hundred and three microphones and and in the end I gave them all these pieces of paper [TS]

00:50:32   and then they were like OK this will take three to four working days to process. [TS]

00:50:36   And I'm like whoa I'm flying on Sunday and it's Thursday we have two working days. [TS]

00:50:41   Can I can I pay you and extortionate amount of money to have you do it so you know and I will not. [TS]

00:50:49   That's a good note if you are applying for a business visa. [TS]

00:50:54   You could you could do the same day service [TS]

00:50:57   but you have to apply for a journalist visa because you will be filming something while you are there. [TS]

00:51:01   There's no flexibility anywhere there's no and India is just so it's like the Indian bureaucracy in the U.K. [TS]

00:51:07   Reflects India itself it's just huge and unwieldy and inflexible and and in the end I just walked out [TS]

00:51:15   and said Well I'll try and post some strings which I've been trying to do today but. It's not going to happen. [TS]

00:51:22   I'm not going to get this raise I'm not going to be on this plane I'm going to be letting a few people down I don't [TS]

00:51:28   know what's going to happen but it was just I think it was Indian bureaucracy is letting a few people down. [TS]

00:51:34   Yeah and it's like and it's this weird mix of super low tech [TS]

00:51:40   and trying to be super high tech So they're terribly designed a Web site that breaks all the time and [TS]

00:51:46   and they're going through some transition at the moment and I know I've talked about it enough. [TS]

00:51:52   It was it was a bad experience and it's always a bad experience and I love the people of India [TS]

00:51:59   and you have a nice country. You're very good at cricket. [TS]

00:52:02   You are really bad at processing visas and make it very difficult to come and visit your country. [TS]

00:52:08   I'm sorry to hear that you won't be able to continue your crazy travel extravaganza. [TS]

00:52:12   Well I don't know what's going to happen. [TS]

00:52:14   Am I going to get the visa on Monday or Tuesday and go later and missed some of this conference. [TS]

00:52:19   Who knows who knows who cares only may the listeners die. Hello Internet. [TS]

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00:53:40   Let's talk about a place that was easy to go to and that was Alabama where we went and hung out with our friends [TS]

00:53:47   and had a fantastic time. Did we know have a great trip to Alabama. I have to say it was an amazing experience. [TS]

00:53:54   It was I was I was very happy to go and I feel like the five of us. Are we get along very well. [TS]

00:54:02   I feel like we've clicked since the very first time that we met up in up in Canada at the Perimeter Institute to a [TS]

00:54:09   certain extent that is true then what do you mean. [TS]

00:54:12   Do you mean we don't we do we don't mind a good argument about things [TS]

00:54:17   but that's what that's part of the cooking right is you can have an argument with somebody. [TS]

00:54:21   Derek and you don't feel like you're hurting each other's feelings [TS]

00:54:26   or holy such Early's I don't think Derek feels that way I don't know. [TS]

00:54:30   OK maybe I made him cry in his room at night or something but I feel like I had nothing [TS]

00:54:34   but love to express to Derek even if we're arguing a whole bunch. [TS]

00:54:37   Well he's the one doing the arguing so I hope he's not going back in the prime minister and he makes me look lovely. [TS]

00:54:46   And I think I'm a pretty argumentative I think I think we're all argumentative in our own way. [TS]

00:54:51   We're all we're all very particular in our own way but I like I still think we just get along really well [TS]

00:54:57   and so that's why when Justin first arranged this it was like I I will come I will make time in my schedule for this. [TS]

00:55:05   No no questions asked. And even though it was absolutely exhausting. [TS]

00:55:10   If Justin said oh you know I want to try to arrange this again for next month. I would be on board. [TS]

00:55:16   Without a doubt if I were I would you know quite happily probably take me a week to recover from the trip. [TS]

00:55:24   It was it was glorious. It was absolutely glorious. Do you know what's most exhausting about hanging out with you guys. [TS]

00:55:30   Well and you are not as guilty of this as some of the others but this is just a thing you don't get away with anything. [TS]

00:55:38   Like like if you miss spake or like mispronounce something or use a bit of hyperbole you should [TS]

00:55:45   or say something that is incorrect which happens all the time like you know normally [TS]

00:55:50   when you're talking to normal people [TS]

00:55:52   and they say something like And you know like you know they don't need correcting that because they don't need [TS]

00:55:58   correcting or because they just misspoke. And they know the correct information. You just kind of let that go. [TS]

00:56:03   You just don't say anything. That's what no pay for doing that doesn't happen when I get out. [TS]

00:56:09   Well if you say something wrong or like with the with whether by mistake [TS]

00:56:14   or just misspeaking you're gone that's not it that's not just going to slide by. [TS]

00:56:20   These are these are these are these are guys who enjoy accuracy. Yes that that is definitely true. [TS]

00:56:26   And Destin was busy telling us a whole bunch of local stories about Huntsville [TS]

00:56:31   and the various places that he was taking us. [TS]

00:56:33   Derek was right behind him with his i Phone fact checking the stories breaking so it's not like this [TS]

00:56:43   and say oh that this place is fake this place is famous for being you know the the the told us the tallest tree south [TS]

00:56:50   of the Mississippi or something and then Gary could be well actually there are a whole list [TS]

00:56:55   and that same kind of personality trait is also why I just absolutely adore hanging out with you guys whenever I get [TS]

00:57:01   the chance and they really set things off on the right foot was when. [TS]

00:57:06   Derek and Justin were picking me up from the airport. [TS]

00:57:09   I think yes I was the second person to arrive and so they picked me up from the airport. [TS]

00:57:13   We've done the initial oh hi how are you. And we're not in the car. [TS]

00:57:18   Three minutes before all of us are having a conversation about how the highway numbering system works how the numbering [TS]

00:57:26   system works. I thought I love this. This doesn't happen with anybody else. [TS]

00:57:31   Everybody over there be like the whole big boring How was your trip how did things go. [TS]

00:57:36   Sort of like we started the podcast with right. [TS]

00:57:39   But with them it's like you can almost guarantee that any conversation is going to turn both very interesting [TS]

00:57:47   and super nerdy really fast because somebody knows something about something or other [TS]

00:57:53   and you just you know among the five of us you just need someone to make an off handed comment and boom. [TS]

00:58:00   We're in deep on how the highway numbering system works or where the editing rules for Wikipedia [TS]

00:58:05   or just a numerous other topics that came up and that is why I absolutely love hanging out with you guys [TS]

00:58:11   and it was just it was just great [TS]

00:58:13   but it is it is kind of mentally exhausting after a whole week especially especially for someone like me who barely [TS]

00:58:20   socializes who puts the socializing Leipold at the dimmest it can possibly be without being off [TS]

00:58:27   and then to suddenly have six days in a row of eighteen hour days of talking to people is quite draining from my [TS]

00:58:34   perspective but totally worth it. I'll tell you what was totally worth it for me. [TS]

00:58:38   Now this is this is going to make people jealous because this is what I got to say while I was away with grey I got to [TS]

00:58:46   see gray. [TS]

00:58:47   We were doing all manner of guns hand guns and I K forty seven's and just firing those bad boys it targets [TS]

00:58:56   and I think he loved it. [TS]

00:58:58   Yes we we had a kind of special morning with Destin where Justin was asking Destin when he arranged this. [TS]

00:59:06   Asked people various things that that they might want to do and so there was a whole bunch of options [TS]

00:59:11   and one of those options was to learn how to fire a gun and I had never fired a gun in my whole life [TS]

00:59:20   and I was thinking later it is quite possible that I had never touched an active firearm in my life. [TS]

00:59:29   You know something that is outside of the museum. Touch the gun touch the gun. [TS]

00:59:33   It was one of these things where I thought well I've never I've never done this before and I know [TS]

00:59:39   and very much respect how very serious destiny is about gun safety. This is no joke. [TS]

00:59:49   We've had some conversations about he takes this stuff very very seriously [TS]

00:59:53   and so I thought well I'm never going to go to a gun range just on my own and to have some dude I don't know. [TS]

01:00:00   Tell me about guns. [TS]

01:00:01   So when I looked at death and I thought that is the man I'm going to lose my gun virginity with [TS]

01:00:08   and he was very gentle and it was a great experience it was good. [TS]

01:00:14   It's like he gave us a little lesson on each gun before we used on how it worked [TS]

01:00:18   and then he gave us a little safety briefing in H one and then basically he said go on that [TS]

01:00:24   and we noted those bad boys up and bang bang bang. [TS]

01:00:27   Yeah but it was so much fun saying saying you like art and I love love. [TS]

01:00:32   It was fun for all of us and we all had a good time [TS]

01:00:34   but there was something particularly amusing to me about seeing you. [TS]

01:00:37   Firing specially those those those hand guns I don't see why there's anything amusing about that I don't know just like [TS]

01:00:44   I don't know it was just the it was just a funny thought that the thing they have to say that was most surprising about [TS]

01:00:49   that. [TS]

01:00:50   Again someone who just never shot guns has no experience with this is [TS]

01:00:54   when it started out Destin set up a bunch of little orange targets [TS]

01:00:59   and I want to say that the first ones were maybe forty [TS]

01:01:03   or fifty meters away I don't know is that fair I have a hard time estimating just it depends on the story you're going [TS]

01:01:09   to tell about how far away I'm going to say they were. It's the far away ones I think. [TS]

01:01:15   Fifty four thirty forty fifty sounds about fair and Justin came out [TS]

01:01:20   and he said oh don't worry you're going to be hitting these little you know ten centimeter across targets in no time [TS]

01:01:27   and I thought no way buddy. You know how far away that is it looks like a dot on my field of vision. [TS]

01:01:33   I would need to train for years to hit one of those targets and much to my surprise. [TS]

01:01:39   Guns are designed to make it easy to shoot things accurately and you know as long as I'm not moving around too much [TS]

01:01:46   and if I can line up the sights with the target I actually have a decent chance of hitting something that seems way too [TS]

01:01:53   far away to actually hit so that it's not it's not like Angry Birds where you put a letter through the air the full [TS]

01:01:59   it's going to go on. [TS]

01:02:00   Any straight line though honest to god that was kind of what I was thinking is like well you know it's going to take a [TS]

01:02:06   long time and I'll need to get a feel for the guy. [TS]

01:02:08   Now they're designed to shoot things accurately [TS]

01:02:11   and so if you if someone teaches you how to use it you can hit things relatively accurately. [TS]

01:02:16   Now I'm not saying i hit every one of the targets [TS]

01:02:18   but I was surprised that I hit any of the targets I was I was genuinely shocked. [TS]

01:02:23   Ladies [TS]

01:02:23   and gentlemen I'm going to show you the greats not that many of the targets over that's I mean I am surprised I hit any [TS]

01:02:29   of that I there's no way we could be here for weeks before I would hit one of those targets [TS]

01:02:34   but you know it was quite remarkable So you know you were not in the office [TS]

01:02:39   and you even knock on a few of the handgun which is pretty impressive. [TS]

01:02:42   That was that was a fun Alabama experience without it we have it. Did you have a favorite weapon. [TS]

01:02:47   Well I think we've all had a favorite weapon. [TS]

01:02:49   So I like the P twenty two handgun and I don't remember what the name of yours was but I liked lots of them. [TS]

01:02:58   IOW I tended to like the one I was holding at the time the most [TS]

01:03:02   and I was like oh I can't imagine one being more enjoyable than this [TS]

01:03:05   but you know the one I'm talking about it was like a six shooter one was a code something forty five special [TS]

01:03:13   or something I think I think that's right. [TS]

01:03:15   This this is going to let you know how much we know about this test [TS]

01:03:18   and will be screaming at his i Pod cast that right now I'm going to look at what it was a coat so I guess I did like [TS]

01:03:24   that one but it was something special I think the forty five special but right. [TS]

01:03:31   That was pretty cool I was not that's not right because it's not calling out many pictures I don't know it was that [TS]

01:03:38   revolver. Now I also like that one that will be fired. Dragon breath at the end had a real big kick to it. [TS]

01:03:44   I like that one that was like the shotgun you mean the shows [TS]

01:03:47   when you have the one that was kind of an A K forty seven version of a shotgun. [TS]

01:03:52   OK this is one of these things where it is difficult to describe but there were just so many guns. [TS]

01:04:00   There was an arsenal of guns. This is the table of guns of all various sizes and shapes. [TS]

01:04:08   It's not like oh we can't remember the names of the two guns that we must've fired ten different kinds of guns at least [TS]

01:04:16   so it was it was definitely it was a very memorable experience I enjoy it a lot [TS]

01:04:20   and if you ever have to learn about gun safety I would highly recommend destine as the man to do it with he was very [TS]

01:04:27   serious and so very very accepting as a teacher [TS]

01:04:31   when I would do something dumb like try to shoot with the safety on you know other just idiotic things. [TS]

01:04:38   So he was very good. [TS]

01:04:39   He was excellent and in true stuff we did spend the hour driving to the sot talking about gun laws [TS]

01:04:47   and stuff in the US so so we had this big like heated debate about the pros and cons of gun laws [TS]

01:04:53   and where we all stood on and then basically we got out of the concert. Let's let him up. [TS]

01:05:01   Which is kind of funny but anyway it was a good experience and it was done very safely [TS]

01:05:06   and we were very grateful for it. [TS]

01:05:08   Yes we had a we had a we had a great dinner with these parents that not one of the wonderful people of his family that [TS]

01:05:15   was so kind and nice and Terra his wife organizing everything and I was so good I feel really bad that I was [TS]

01:05:23   and I can't imagine I could ever be that NASA host. Well this is this is exactly an eight I struggle to put into words. [TS]

01:05:31   Destin's family it's almost like they are the perfect family out of a Disney movie. [TS]

01:05:37   The whole extended family everybody is really great. [TS]

01:05:41   Everybody is really polite and everybody is really nice [TS]

01:05:43   and it was it was honestly just overwhelming I always I always find it you know I come from a pretty small family I [TS]

01:05:50   would find it really interesting to see other people's families and how they interact [TS]

01:05:53   and this was just a great big family and it was. [TS]

01:06:00   Quite an experience and we felt really welcome the whole time and it was I was just overwhelmed. [TS]

01:06:05   Perhaps the most important [TS]

01:06:07   and the one of the great discoveries from destines family was a delicacy that was prepared for us on multiple occasions [TS]

01:06:19   and it was prepared for us on one occasion [TS]

01:06:23   and for you explicitly I think on several other things I think that in some way it went. [TS]

01:06:28   And I'm not going to describe it because you will accuse me of exaggerating do you want to describe this delicacy which [TS]

01:06:36   apparently is a bit of a family tradition in Justin's family [TS]

01:06:39   and I thought it was the finest does a spider ever encountered. [TS]

01:06:43   OK so this tray appears one of the evenings a huge tray is about the size of a dinner table. [TS]

01:06:50   Yeah yeah appears and it looks like it is just strawberries on the top in a little bit of strawberry sauce.. [TS]

01:06:57   But there is a surprise underneath which is that's like Jell-O. In Jell-O. Yeah yeah it's kind of like Jell-O. [TS]

01:07:03   On the top of strawberries but but very intense strawberry flavor [TS]

01:07:06   but underneath a layer of strawberries there is a layer of whipped cream which is like OK OK so far so good. [TS]

01:07:13   I can understand this this you know this is this is understandable [TS]

01:07:17   but then the bottom layer is crunchy pratfalls which doesn't seem like it fits with the other two. [TS]

01:07:23   And we ended up having a big argument over how to quantify the tastiness of this dessert. [TS]

01:07:31   Which sounds ridiculous there out loud [TS]

01:07:33   but this really was like an hour of our evening was arguing over on a one to ten scale how delicious is this dessert [TS]

01:07:40   and you are taking a very strong nine possibly ten stance. [TS]

01:07:45   Nine I never said ten and I was I was going nine and then I may be downgraded to just leave myself some wiggle room [TS]

01:07:52   but the thing that disappointed me was some of the others were quite gave it to not buy something and the hotel. [TS]

01:08:00   I'm giving it to you though I'm not they would just downing the stuff not the bow. [TS]

01:08:05   Hendry must have had three bottles of the stuff it was fantastic it was one of the real discoveries of my trip to [TS]

01:08:12   Alabama. Yeah well all of the food in Alabama was delicious. [TS]

01:08:17   Now as the listeners may guess I am a relatively picky eater I don't like to try new foods. [TS]

01:08:23   I like things real consistent especially if it's going in my body. [TS]

01:08:28   But it's I have to say Alabama it was probably one of the only places on earth I have ever been raw felt like whatever [TS]

01:08:36   just order the food. [TS]

01:08:37   One restaurant I even delegated the power of my order to Destine which is something I would never do. [TS]

01:08:44   Anywhere on earth. I mean to her stance but I kind of like you know what I have been here for days. [TS]

01:08:50   Everything is delicious. I don't have any idea what to order on this menu. You just do it dude. [TS]

01:08:55   And he ordered a whole bunch of stuff like this is all delicious. Not amazing. So Alabama sums up on your food. [TS]

01:09:02   I gained five pounds in a week from eating everything it was just it was amazing [TS]

01:09:07   but I could not live there because I would obviously die of some kind of obesity related disease if I spent two [TS]

01:09:13   or three years down in Alabama. [TS]

01:09:15   So excellent place to visit but I could not possibly live there because the food is too good. [TS]

01:09:19   So I mean the main reason we went was just to hang out with friends and we we did this shooting [TS]

01:09:25   and we went into a cave and we went to a football match and we did this amazing. [TS]

01:09:31   But two of NASA and national center that was arranged. [TS]

01:09:35   But another big thing we did of course was the random acts of intelligence show at The Rocket Center with six hundred [TS]

01:09:45   people came to you know to back this up to back this up I have a couple lessons about destiny the first time we've [TS]

01:09:52   already mentioned on I think one of the extras to this podcast which is do not discuss potential titles for videos with [TS]

01:09:58   Destine. [TS]

01:10:00   If you have a full working day to give over to that project you will be engaged in this conversation for forever [TS]

01:10:06   and the other lesson I learned on this trip is do not agree to do something with Destin on the premise that it is going [TS]

01:10:16   to be small and destine can only do things all the way and so I went back and looked at the old emails [TS]

01:10:27   and it started as OK Let's let's have this trip together in Alabama and we're just going to hang out [TS]

01:10:32   and is that going to be great. [TS]

01:10:34   And then over time it progressed to hey maybe we should have an informal meet up in a park with some people who might [TS]

01:10:40   want to meet up with us if we just say something on Twitter [TS]

01:10:43   and then it was oh maybe we could do at a university like a little panel and then it kept ratcheting up in this way [TS]

01:10:49   when I wasn't paying close enough attention to all of a sudden I felt like I did not understand the full scale of this [TS]

01:10:55   thing until I was actually in Alabama and it was tomorrow like oh we have the Space and Rocket Center [TS]

01:11:01   and there's going to be a Saturn five rocket above us and it's going to be six hundred people [TS]

01:11:05   and there's a huge screen and there's audio visual checks to be done. [TS]

01:11:09   It just turned into this enormous thing [TS]

01:11:12   and we were like greeted by let the local authority figure it was like a big deer like the whole thing was just crazy. [TS]

01:11:20   And I kept thinking I don't remember signing up for anything. I don't exactly know how I got here. [TS]

01:11:26   It is somewhat nerve wracking to see how real this thing is. [TS]

01:11:30   If if if that had been presented to me at the start I would have said no way are you crazy I'm not going to do that. [TS]

01:11:37   But somehow Destin just kept ratcheting it up a little bit a little bit over the months [TS]

01:11:43   and you never say no to any particular point [TS]

01:11:45   and suddenly you find yourself on stage in front of six hundred people for the first time so yeah [TS]

01:11:50   but it was it was again it was a great event but it was surprising how much effort and was able to put into it [TS]

01:11:58   and how well. He was able to pull off the whole thing when it started as just like oh maybe we'll do a thing. [TS]

01:12:05   So yes you know how like I was joking before about how if I was flying first class I'd want Scalia Hanson give me pain [TS]

01:12:12   I'm an EMS and all this other stuff. [TS]

01:12:14   If I was going to put on a show and I was joking around [TS]

01:12:18   and you said where do you want your stage to be Brady I would say All right here's the Stager one gray make this happen. [TS]

01:12:24   I want a Saturn five rocket above my head. [TS]

01:12:28   Suspended from the ceiling and then I would say I want an Apollo a real Apollo lunar landing module [TS]

01:12:36   and lunar rover to my left. I want a real Apollo return capture that brought men back from the moon to my right. [TS]

01:12:44   In fact put a moon rock there as well while you're at it. I want I want Apollo memorabilia in every corner. [TS]

01:12:51   I want to parachute from an Apollo lunar module sitting above my right shoulder. [TS]

01:12:56   Make that happen and you would laugh at me I would I would and that is exactly what we have. [TS]

01:13:02   Yeah it was like it was like a Brady fantasy stage. [TS]

01:13:08   The only thing that would have a more amazing was if halfway through Scalia had said appeared [TS]

01:13:11   and said give me pin evidence Speedmaster that's what they did what they did they did bring a slave master on stage for [TS]

01:13:20   me so that part was kind of it. I guess they could have brought a tray of that so jelly. [TS]

01:13:26   If that didn't happen during the show but I do have some Afterwards back at home. [TS]

01:13:31   Yeah it really was the perfect Brady stage I have a hard time imagining that there will ever be a stage that you could [TS]

01:13:36   love more than that one year. [TS]

01:13:38   So as is no this this was deliberately something we like you know didn't want to make a like a big recording all of [TS]

01:13:46   sudden like it was it was this was a live show it wasn't a video so I don't think we're going to you know ramble on for [TS]

01:13:52   ages about what we did and things like that because you know [TS]

01:13:55   when maybe would maybe this will happen again one day although I doubt it listening to them to something. [TS]

01:14:00   Or comments [TS]

01:14:01   but one thing that we should talk about because it's quite interesting is the fact that you were there you were on [TS]

01:14:07   stage I mean you don't make a big deal about public appearances and plaster You're so full of your videos [TS]

01:14:14   and post photos of yourself like the rest of us show us. [TS]

01:14:17   So this so this was something a bit different here [TS]

01:14:19   and I think I think a fair proportion of people who were there were quite curious about seeing you come out from your [TS]

01:14:25   little editing cave and they appear in public and how was that experience way. [TS]

01:14:30   Yeah I think it's I think it felt it felt really natural I almost feel like we couldn't talk a lot about the night [TS]

01:14:37   because from my perspective it went so fast it's a bit like it's bit like on one the previous pod cast I mentioned how [TS]

01:14:44   I would have no memory of my wedding if it had not been recorded. [TS]

01:14:47   And yeah I do have memories of the Space [TS]

01:14:51   and Rocket Center talk because obviously it was not as intense as my wedding was. That's a whole other level. [TS]

01:14:56   But it was it was a very very intense evening still and so it felt like the thing just went by so fast [TS]

01:15:04   and there are little details that I remember about it [TS]

01:15:06   but it would almost be difficult to actually talk about the thing. In it's entirety. [TS]

01:15:11   But yeah but yeah i did appear in person at this event. [TS]

01:15:17   And yeah I think it went well [TS]

01:15:20   and afterwards after the actual event itself we ended up all five of us ended up signing posters and T. [TS]

01:15:28   Shirts and stuff for about two hours. I think it was crazy it was crazy. [TS]

01:15:34   It was absolutely crazy I was trying to estimate how many people it was. [TS]

01:15:38   And I'm thinking OK I probably probably saw something like two or three people a minute [TS]

01:15:43   and it was you know two hours of signing at the leaves [TS]

01:15:47   and so that's something like what two hundred fifty people at a minimum maybe four hundred people at a maximum. [TS]

01:15:53   That's a lot of people to to say hello and we had to sign i Phones. [TS]

01:16:01   So he so that was that was never that was I did not expect that to happen. I don't expect that to happen either. [TS]

01:16:07   And so so one so the set up here is that after the show we went out into the kind of lobby of the Space [TS]

01:16:12   and Rocket Center and it fell just mobbed there were just people everywhere. [TS]

01:16:18   And I ended up being in a corner with a kind of semicircle of people around me and just pulling people out [TS]

01:16:23   and signing and saying hello and shaking hands and all the stuff I got went really well that that was really nice. [TS]

01:16:28   Do you remember the first guy who came up to me and said I want you to sign my i Phone [TS]

01:16:33   and i thought Dude I don't know if I can handle this kind of pressure [TS]

01:16:37   and just to be clear this is with a pen with a marker on the back of the known on the X.-Ray i Phone Yeah on the on the [TS]

01:16:45   metal part on the back. When I was strong. [TS]

01:16:48   Yeah I don't know if I can handle this but I did say OK if you know you look me in the eye of man [TS]

01:16:54   and you tell me that you're really OK with this I'm going to do it and so he did and I signed it [TS]

01:17:00   and I have to say signing i Phone is a very pleasurable experience. [TS]

01:17:04   Black is nice and solid the pen moves nice and smoothly compared to signing something like a T. [TS]

01:17:09   Shirt signing an i Phone is a total joy. [TS]

01:17:14   I made these comments and a bunch of people around heard this [TS]

01:17:17   and then I ended up by my count signing for i Phones in total for that event because people like oh do you want to sign [TS]

01:17:24   my i Phone [TS]

01:17:24   and i thought well once you have one you know you've broken through that isn't this terrifying barrier a sure sign [TS]

01:17:30   everybody's i Phone This is a way better than signing posters I feel a bit bad about the one I signed because if you [TS]

01:17:36   mess it up. Did you meant no phone no no I didn't mess it up. [TS]

01:17:40   I mean obviously what happened was a lot of people sort of went around to all five of us [TS]

01:17:45   and just got them to sign things like a poster and stuff like that to have the collection of people who were there. [TS]

01:17:50   But but the first time I was asked to sign the phone [TS]

01:17:54   and I was well aware that you know a lot of people were there not to say main fact more people. [TS]

01:18:00   Other than to say you know the derricks in the distance because they are not big superstars in the C.G. [TS]

01:18:04   Peak season this year at any any way that you make. OK that's all humility so close to military folks humility. [TS]

01:18:14   Let me get back to my humble brag. So the the thing. [TS]

01:18:18   So this guy pose he's fine and says We saw my time [TS]

01:18:23   and I think I was the first person I asked to do it because you obviously go up a whole bunch of others after you made [TS]

01:18:28   your comment but this was not the first one not sane and and it was it was unsigned [TS]

01:18:34   and I was like I said like he said I said Are you serious you missed on your phone [TS]

01:18:38   and his so I was like oh OK yeah sure whereabouts and he sort of pointed vaguely to an area so I like I signed [TS]

01:18:46   and I signed it really big in the middle [TS]

01:18:49   and it never occurred to me that he was going to take the phone to be signed by the rest of you which of course that [TS]

01:18:54   should have occurred to me why would you just want me to sign it so later on when a picture was posted to Twitter [TS]

01:18:59   or something of the phone signed by everyone there is kind of my signature in the middle and like this C.D.P. [TS]

01:19:06   Grey and Derek investor no like you guys are all alike on the edges on the writing and everything [TS]

01:19:10   and I hope to the best spots for you I had John Hancock of that phone. [TS]

01:19:15   Exactly I had I hope I hope you came to me first because he wanted me most because because I was a bit of. [TS]

01:19:21   But I'll tell you what those few hours that obviously it was very self-selecting [TS]

01:19:25   and these people had come because they wanted to say yes [TS]

01:19:29   but it did give you a taste for a couple of hours of what it must be like to be like like a well known person [TS]

01:19:36   and it made me realize what I loved I loved talking to all these people and doing this but I also like that after two [TS]

01:19:42   or three hours it stopped. [TS]

01:19:43   Yeah and I can't imagine what it must be like to be like Brad Pitt or someone [TS]

01:19:48   and just everywhere you go is the default. [TS]

01:19:52   Yes yes this is this is a topic you know very well I want to talk about more in detail at some point but yes I would. [TS]

01:19:59   I will. It reaffirmed this that you know people think being famous is awesome. [TS]

01:20:05   Has I guess it can be awesome for an afternoon if your whole life was like this. It's a nightmare. [TS]

01:20:13   It would it would just be terrible [TS]

01:20:14   and so yes it was it was really great that there was a group of people who wanted to come [TS]

01:20:18   and that we could legitimately spend some time with those people [TS]

01:20:21   and even after that even after the two hours of signing We then went there was like an after after show at the Marriott [TS]

01:20:28   where people were just having drinks and so we went over there and just hung out [TS]

01:20:32   and it was really great to be able to kind of go around to some tables [TS]

01:20:35   and just just have some chill conversations with people in [TS]

01:20:39   and I thought that was also a really really nice experience [TS]

01:20:42   but I highly value in my normal life being able to just go somewhere and people don't know me. [TS]

01:20:49   So yes like this is great under limited circumstances [TS]

01:20:52   but it would not it would not be great in the in your life in general [TS]

01:20:56   but I did not know the reason why I want to shut you down before about people people you know just not coming to see [TS]

01:21:01   you which was my experience was. [TS]

01:21:04   Almost everybody who came in the very first thing that they mentioned was the pod cast [TS]

01:21:10   and how they listened to the two of us and they really liked it and I found that very notable [TS]

01:21:15   and very interesting that there was really strong. [TS]

01:21:20   Hello Internet listener presence at the random acts of ant and I was just I thought that was really interesting [TS]

01:21:26   and that lots of people saying how much they like the podcast [TS]

01:21:29   and yeah it was that was that was a time I felt like oh this is this is really nice I'm glad people [TS]

01:21:35   and good people want it so I would have preferred it that said like I don't to hear that that C.D.P. [TS]

01:21:41   Great Joker is but I think I'm above the parody video is just awesome and it was it was it was fun. [TS]

01:21:50   You obviously posed for loads of selfies and stuff like that. Yeah yeah which was and you know this is obviously these. [TS]

01:22:00   So I'm going to just you know find their way around the places people share things like people you're cool with that [TS]

01:22:06   you've got no problem with you know because you do value your privacy but you've just sort of said oh well there we go. [TS]

01:22:11   Well so the thing the thing about this is as you might imagine I have thought about this kind of decision for a while. [TS]

01:22:18   And yeah I was someone asked during the event if I was OK with pictures and I said Yeah you know obviously it's fine. [TS]

01:22:24   So yeah if you go on Twitter now you can search for pictures of what I look like. [TS]

01:22:28   I still recommend that you don't like I wrote that article about the faceless voices laying out my reasons for four [TS]

01:22:36   from my experience lots of podcasts I listen to [TS]

01:22:39   or audiobook narrators I listen to I prefer to not know what they look like [TS]

01:22:43   and so I wrote an article trying to tell people that [TS]

01:22:45   and I have actually received more than a few e-mails from people saying that they have regretted their decision to go [TS]

01:22:51   find out what I look like and I understand that I don't take that as as they're horrified by how perfectly ugly I am [TS]

01:22:58   or anything like that. [TS]

01:22:59   I get that I completely understand that feeling of it's kind of better when you when you don't know the person [TS]

01:23:03   but for some some people really do want to know and so if if you do you can go on Twitter [TS]

01:23:08   and search for the pictures and I'm sure you'll find them in they'll come up. [TS]

01:23:13   It was it was something that I was thinking about for a long time [TS]

01:23:17   and I was really really ever since I crossed the million subscribers Mark. I. [TS]

01:23:24   I noticed that I was starting to have a lot of anxiety about trying to keep my picture off of the Internet which of [TS]

01:23:30   course is just an impossible task. [TS]

01:23:33   And also I am no fool you look at the trend lines of technology like we are not heading into a world that is more [TS]

01:23:40   private in the future we are heading into a world that is less private in the future. [TS]

01:23:45   So if you are a person who does any kind of work in the public sphere you just can't have the same kind of control over [TS]

01:23:54   your anonymity that you would as a normal person does even normal people have a difficult time with that so I guess. [TS]

01:24:00   I was I was having a lot of stress about trying to keep that tamps down [TS]

01:24:04   and I also also does want to say trying to keep pictures off the internet I was on that I was doing [TS]

01:24:10   but there is also like there's a whole team of other people who I have interacted with over the years who have also [TS]

01:24:18   helped me with this and I cannot possibly name all of them [TS]

01:24:22   but I do just want to say I like my ability to keep my picture off of the Internet was not a one man project there are [TS]

01:24:28   only a lot of people who help me with this and help take old stuff down [TS]

01:24:34   or you know just just helped protect my anonymity in some way so I do want to say just a huge thanks to all of the [TS]

01:24:40   people who did help with that like it. It meant quite a lot to me. [TS]

01:24:45   After the million subscribers I could I could feel the tide changing on this that there were just there was just too [TS]

01:24:52   many people [TS]

01:24:53   and so the it's again it's like economics with the the stress of trying to maintain this was beginning to outweigh the [TS]

01:25:03   personal benefits. The anonymity in a perfect world I would remain anonymous forever. [TS]

01:25:09   But of course that's not the world that we actually live in [TS]

01:25:12   and so I thought well I have to do this in at some point in some way and then this is [TS]

01:25:17   when Dustin started talking about doing an event and I thought oh this this kind of works out perfectly [TS]

01:25:21   and I have to say my experience now is that I am just hugely relieved to not be stressed out about this anymore because [TS]

01:25:33   I used to just I used to just get kind of very anxious sometimes [TS]

01:25:36   and people would send me emails that were something about my picture [TS]

01:25:39   and I thought like oh God you know what is this what am I going to have to worry about now [TS]

01:25:43   or you know just just like I am very happy to have that part of my life be over [TS]

01:25:48   but sort of related to the same thing I mentioned before. [TS]

01:25:51   I still have a hard time imagining I'm ever going to be actively promoting me. [TS]

01:25:57   Like I don't think I'm going to be in my own videos I like. Doing the animations I think they work. [TS]

01:26:02   And I probably won't put my own picture on my About page on my website I did find I mean I did have a brief experience [TS]

01:26:09   with this a few weeks back with the with the PI modify video and there's obviously obviously you were there [TS]

01:26:16   and found your way into various shots because you were helping out basically [TS]

01:26:20   and I did decide do you want me to go through with a fine tooth comb and take you out and send CA [TS]

01:26:26   and you'd obviously had reached this decision already and you just said to me Look just just labor. [TS]

01:26:31   So obviously they I sold I told you that I know I wouldn't be there if it wasn't OK for me to be in background yeah [TS]

01:26:37   because it like it wouldn't be fair for me to go to this thing [TS]

01:26:40   and then tell you oh you have to spend an enormous amount of time [TS]

01:26:42   and make sure that you digital erase me from every shot. [TS]

01:26:46   Yeah but I did find it funny because mildly creepy [TS]

01:26:49   but also a lot more funny that obviously people figured this out because we talked about the video on the podcast [TS]

01:26:56   and the lengths people went on that video to sort of isolate like they would go through it like the credits of who was [TS]

01:27:04   who was there and then like do this sort of process of elimination and they were taking screen grabs [TS]

01:27:09   and they were using like aerial shots to figure out what your where it was like like C S I. Yeah and that. [TS]

01:27:16   Kind of stuff is is totally creepy like there's no way to look at that [TS]

01:27:21   and even though the people are have the best intentions I'd like they just feel subjectively creepy [TS]

01:27:28   and so yes I am very happy that for stuff like that in the future the conversation comes up [TS]

01:27:34   or people go oh which one is C.D.P. Grey. So one can just link to one of the pictures on Twitter and go that's easy. [TS]

01:27:39   If you must know if you must know there is this one [TS]

01:27:43   but we don't have we don't have to start like tracking down everybody who's appeared in this video [TS]

01:27:47   and putting them up on a on a corkboard with strings connected to different addresses. [TS]

01:27:52   Like you don't need to do that anymore. [TS]

01:27:53   We've just now and it's fine so I'm happy to have that situation be different now. I love that you went for the. [TS]

01:28:00   Called board in the strings like the very I'm in grey like well that's kind of that's the way crazy people look at [TS]

01:28:05   movies you know that would have been like in three a day and there'd be strings all across the room [TS]

01:28:11   and they would have to walk through the row because I've done it over like hero style although it is some people like [TS]

01:28:19   like as you said during the show. [TS]

01:28:22   Do you mind if we you know post pictures and stuff [TS]

01:28:24   and you said no I mean he jokingly said it was I think you said like it was your coming out of something that got like [TS]

01:28:29   a nice laugh and yet some people are still posting pictures from the event like their selfies with you [TS]

01:28:35   and they're like censoring out your face like they're putting something or maybe they don't like what you look like. [TS]

01:28:40   Well I what I love about it that I did not expect that [TS]

01:28:44   and I saw a whole bunch of people do that exact same thing they posted the picture of them with me [TS]

01:28:48   but they took that they put the stick figure over my face and it never occurred to me that people would do that [TS]

01:28:54   but I thought oh this is great because I can retrieve the photo because I could be. [TS]

01:28:58   From this event [TS]

01:28:59   and so I have to say I really got a big laugh out of that I really enjoyed that I think it's just thought it was really [TS]

01:29:05   funny and people to do funny things [TS]

01:29:07   when they're actually signing stuff what one guy wanted me to hold the poster over my face [TS]

01:29:12   and took a picture of me holding like him next to me with a poster of like I'm not even sure what the point of this [TS]

01:29:17   picture is but I'm glad it makes you happy. [TS]

01:29:19   There were there were a few funny things like that so I have to say I I genuinely enjoyed the experience of of meeting [TS]

01:29:28   everybody no matter how briefly in that signing section and just talking to fans of the show [TS]

01:29:33   or people who like the videos like that was that was a much better experience than I expected it to be. [TS]

01:29:40   I expected to just just be really draining which it was [TS]

01:29:45   but I did not expect that it could also be as as fun as it turned out to be [TS]

01:29:50   and I hope it was fun for everybody who was there and for those who couldn't make it or would like to have made it. [TS]

01:29:55   I'm sure one day something will happen where you too can take a phone. Grace face covered with a poster. [TS]

01:30:02   Yeah that's the ideal that we must we must make sure we do something again sometime. [TS]

01:30:07   One of these tax cuts I hope my little son. [TS]

01:30:09   Yeah I hope Justin arranges something I'm just delegated to destine to do what he would literally be held on the moon [TS]

01:30:17   next time. You know the Rocket Center wasn't close enough to the lunar environment this time I want to go all the way. [TS]

01:30:24   That's a good point I think maybe maybe I will delegate the next one to Henry Henry sugar ancient texts. [TS]

01:31:10   Come on business you won the battle for me and for evasion never win the battle for me and I'm going to. [TS]