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H.I. #21: Cave Troll in Your Pocket


00:00:02   Yeah. You collapse. How many would you like I was like three claps. [TS]

00:00:07   Three in the you're so predictable you say OK now I would like eleven collapse eleven classes how many I want. [TS]

00:00:20   You're so compliant. I guess what by the way. Well listen I've got something here for you. Yeah. [TS]

00:00:30   Have you finally decided to have some sort of liquid refreshment in front of you while we are recording not just one I [TS]

00:00:38   have just opened a third of a day like a third of a bottle of water a very adult type with a very small amount left in [TS]

00:00:50   it and a bottle of very weird to licorice [TS]

00:00:53   and chili flavored Danish Like you I was kindly given on a recent trip to Copenhagen [TS]

00:00:59   but won't possibly drink because I cannot stand the taste of licorice. But they were very kind to give it to me. [TS]

00:01:06   So excluding the alcoholic drink you really have one and two thirds of the drink in front of you. [TS]

00:01:13   That's about and I know you're trying to make it sound impressive to make up for your lack of sustenance last time [TS]

00:01:20   but if I was to have a bag of puppy traits and a candle. [TS]

00:01:24   But the trees are there for an emergency that would be quite an emergency. How is R.J. Is she all right. [TS]

00:01:32   She is excellent. [TS]

00:01:33   She's downstairs today I've graduated to leaving her [TS]

00:01:36   and Lulu downstairs together they seem to be getting along well already sometimes snuggles up [TS]

00:01:42   and goes to sleep under there which is exceptionally cute you have already answered the question that I was going to [TS]

00:01:48   have for you when that I had feedback from several people who wanted to know how the two dogs were getting together [TS]

00:01:54   but you have already answered this with sound like they're getting along quite well. So what you are getting messages. [TS]

00:02:00   Asking how Brady herons two dogs are getting along. [TS]

00:02:02   Basically that that was from my parents they could not believe that on the last episode that you did not specify how [TS]

00:02:08   the dogs were getting along they were very concerned about how Lulu was handling the whole situation. [TS]

00:02:13   So no when asking for them. Lulu is handling it very well. [TS]

00:02:17   She your parents by the way can just email me if they want to know anything of the them that I will answer their emails [TS]

00:02:23   send the pictures out to all that stuff you know I will tell you I know you well so they might take you up on that that [TS]

00:02:31   they get along really well. [TS]

00:02:32   Lulay obviously being a big Greyhound looks ridiculous next to tiny little ot the child [TS]

00:02:37   but there is normally indifferent but they seem to be getting out. [TS]

00:02:41   They seem to be getting closer over time you know if Lucy lies down. [TS]

00:02:45   Well she would sometimes go up and go to sleep against her. [TS]

00:02:48   It's too cute for words that I as always will expect pictures. [TS]

00:02:55   If what you wish for been a follow up from Matt from the extravaganza finale to me recently. [TS]

00:03:06   Yes Yes We talked about many things on that episode [TS]

00:03:11   but the one thing I just wanted to bring up was some people on the Reddit came up with the term for what we were [TS]

00:03:18   talking about which was last time we were discussing Otto as a potential word to describe self driving cars [TS]

00:03:25   but that I kept saying it has a linguistic conflict with German and as I have also heard since then Dutch [TS]

00:03:32   and a few other languages use auto as their word for car and the term for this or four words that sound the same [TS]

00:03:40   but have different meanings in different languages is false friends. [TS]

00:03:45   So that is the term for what we were describing [TS]

00:03:48   and as always there is a Wikipedia page which lists a bunch of false friends. [TS]

00:03:54   But the example that I particularly like is from a Dutch advertisement that they have on the page. [TS]

00:04:00   Age which reads is a picture of this little girl who's standing in a field [TS]

00:04:04   and next to her there are the words Mama die die die and in Dutch that translates as Mom I want I want I want [TS]

00:04:15   and it is a yogurt commercial so the child is actually requesting yogurt not the death of her mother [TS]

00:04:21   but DI is an example of false friends there for those two words before I bring up the pronunciation of your good versus [TS]

00:04:30   bad can I just ask because it's not immediately jumping into my mind was a cold false friends. [TS]

00:04:37   That's that that term doesn't immediately make sense to me as why does it is obvious to you I think that the friends is [TS]

00:04:45   supposed to be friends as opposed to be like a hominem they're their friends because these words sound the same. [TS]

00:04:52   So you would assume that they mean the same thing you know they had their false friends that's the way I interpret it. [TS]

00:04:59   Maybe that was really obvious to everyone but it wasn't it wasn't to me I think it sounds better than false hominids. [TS]

00:05:04   That's just not as fun as a false friend. [TS]

00:05:05   I did it I think I just don't think that's a good term for I don't know I feel like we have a consistent theme on the [TS]

00:05:12   show being displeased with the words for something and then trying to come up with our own words. [TS]

00:05:18   Do you have if you have an alternative to just make sure you are not referring I don't think Shanae like that could be [TS]

00:05:23   like a thing we do one day. Like Aaron dictionary because that's what we're working towards ultimately here isn't it. [TS]

00:05:27   Basically a week if we keep this up long enough there will be a large enough vocabulary of hello internet specific [TS]

00:05:34   words on the topic of autos of all the of all of your firmly held positions on this pod cast. [TS]

00:05:43   That seems to be the one that so far has brought the most disagreement even from your fans. I can use that term. [TS]

00:05:52   Has your position wavered at all on that on the debate. [TS]

00:05:55   Your insistence that self driving cars should be called auto stuff must. [TS]

00:06:00   Appropriate name for them if a name must be coined. [TS]

00:06:02   Well again it is on my insistence that everybody uses this this word this is this is my pet or this [TS]

00:06:08   and this is my push I should say for the word in English to describe self driving cars [TS]

00:06:13   and yes I read through all the Reddit comments and I see this does drive people kind of crazy [TS]

00:06:19   but just like on our podcast in the red it I was also asking can people give me specific reasons why they don't think [TS]

00:06:27   this is a good idea. [TS]

00:06:29   And every example that I saw just seemed incredibly contrived of where this could possibly cause any kind of conflict [TS]

00:06:37   so you know I remember now because I like your position on this because your position is it's only a problem if it's [TS]

00:06:42   going to cause some fundamental like mistake like going to the parking lot [TS]

00:06:48   and driving away in the wrong order in the wrong path. [TS]

00:06:51   Confusion can be more subtle than the sort of black and white mistakes of wrong [TS]

00:06:57   and right to can just be a general well what are we talking about here kind of vagueness. [TS]

00:07:03   Even that confusion should be avoided. [TS]

00:07:05   I guess we need to change the Dutch word for I want to then because there's a lot of confusion there over whether [TS]

00:07:11   or not people are requesting things or instructing death to their conversational Q. [TS]

00:07:17   No I think if the term I want had never been thought of before in Dutch [TS]

00:07:23   and they were coming up with a new word they probably would avoid the word die. [TS]

00:07:28   Yes I bet they would because this is this is much more severe. [TS]

00:07:32   This is going back to the river looping back into safe argument with my son. I've heard of it or remain unconvinced. [TS]

00:07:41   I CAN YOU ARE YOU are a better person because you are more concerned that I most certainly am not. [TS]

00:07:47   You said you'll get I know you said you know you get younger [TS]

00:07:51   and I said I was brought up saying you know you get to be in a strata that I've gradually had slipped out of me by the [TS]

00:07:58   Brits to the point where I think I now am more. [TS]

00:08:00   Like they say you look at you you obviously have not had that slipped out of me I don't think this is just come up very [TS]

00:08:08   much. You know they do eat a lot of younger. [TS]

00:08:11   Yeah there probably is there probably is a bit of yogurt consumption in this house. [TS]

00:08:15   My wife likes them so that this is not this is not come up but I would stick with yogurt yogurt. [TS]

00:08:21   Sounds ridiculous to me. I think you have to be very posh to pull that off. Now speaking of things that are ridiculous. [TS]

00:08:30   You did what can only be described as a ridiculous job in trying to market at the last podcast. [TS]

00:08:39   Yes Yes Not only was it at the end of the podcast but for some crazy amount of blank space [TS]

00:08:46   or we discussed it just to make sure no one heard. [TS]

00:08:51   You probably edit this that knowing you said let's just forget about it and you know it is it is true. [TS]

00:08:57   Here at the start of season three might be a good time to inform people that we have very excellent. [TS]

00:09:02   Hello Internet teachers that you can now purchase to help support the show. [TS]

00:09:06   But yes I save this for the end of the previous podcast [TS]

00:09:11   and then I mean honestly just just through my own mistake I accidentally had this enormous amount of blank space at the [TS]

00:09:18   end of the podcast before we actually talked about that section. [TS]

00:09:23   And so I do not know how many people actually got there. I will say we still sold a bunch of T. [TS]

00:09:29   Shirts but I'm betting that there are a lot of people who just who missed that part of it. [TS]

00:09:34   So I do apologize for my terrible editing skills though I do have one tiny thing to say in my defense which is that I [TS]

00:09:44   have been trying out overcast lately as my main pod cast client I have a kitten I did write a little article on my own [TS]

00:09:53   blog recommending people use particular podcast clients because I see all the time people in the Reddit say. [TS]

00:10:00   How they listen on the Web site or they download the M P three files. [TS]

00:10:04   And this is this is just the worst possible experience you could ever have listening to a podcast. [TS]

00:10:09   You should totally get a podcast client. If you aren't listening to the sound of my voice on one right now. [TS]

00:10:16   They're just such a such a better experience. [TS]

00:10:19   And there are three that I recommend depending on your needs in that article. [TS]

00:10:23   But anyway I am temporarily trying out over cast of my main podcast client [TS]

00:10:29   and I do the final listen of the show in overcast [TS]

00:10:34   but overcast has a feature which cuts out the majority of all of the silent spaces to kind of make the podcast [TS]

00:10:41   listening go faster. [TS]

00:10:42   So I'm going to partly blame overcast because it would make it harder to notice that there was a big gap of silent [TS]

00:10:49   space at the end because overcast would cut out a bunch of that [TS]

00:10:52   but overcast doesn't cut out all of that so I do have to acknowledge that it was also a large part just my own stupid [TS]

00:11:00   fault so I apologize for my terrible editing skills. We'd like to thank Harry's for their support of this podcast. [TS]

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00:11:38   but now they've also got a foaming shave Joe at an aftershave moisturizer which I'm always being told to use apparently [TS]

00:11:45   moisturizing is very important. [TS]

00:11:48   Now I've actually had a chance to try the gel and moisturizer yet because of a new just been launched [TS]

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00:12:16   One last thing if you've already got a raise [TS]

00:12:18   and not looking to change I'd still recommend having a look at the Harry saw [TS]

00:12:23   and especially some of the kits because they're not really nice gifts they do a really good job with the packaging [TS]

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00:12:40   We have we have blown through the follow up at incredible pace. [TS]

00:12:45   There's been there's been a lot of news happening in the last couple of weeks actually. [TS]

00:12:50   Can I cannot drop in a place of yes. Yup sure it wasn't on our list but it is quite easy it even made national news. [TS]

00:12:57   It made international news and it will have been asking me about it [TS]

00:13:02   and asked if I would mention it on the podcast so I will. [TS]

00:13:06   There was a huge fire at the University of nothing [TS]

00:13:09   and oh yeah yeah people know I work with the University of Nottingham chemistry department on periodic videos they are [TS]

00:13:17   building a new chemistry building a really expensive state of the posh building and. [TS]

00:13:24   A few days ago now it caught fire and burned to the ground. It was it was seventy percent complete. [TS]

00:13:31   It wasn't yet open there was no wind [TS]

00:13:33   and if I happened not no one was hurt that this building that I've been really proud of I'm really looking forward to [TS]

00:13:40   opening early next year. [TS]

00:13:43   Burnt to the ground and it was such a spectacular fire that it was on the news and people around the world e-mailing [TS]

00:13:48   and tweeting [TS]

00:13:49   and messaging about it they all thought it was the actual proper chemistry building where we do all our filming [TS]

00:13:55   and like Emma chemistry is done. But just I think when it was in that building. [TS]

00:14:00   It's business as usual at the chemist's in Nottingham. [TS]

00:14:04   But then you do it and they're going to rebuild it but it's going to give it away now and no one was hurt [TS]

00:14:10   but the future of science has been set back through the hopefully not too much. [TS]

00:14:14   Several years now how long was he how long did it take to get to where it was [TS]

00:14:17   and how long it's going to take to rebuild. I think I've been doing for over a year now. [TS]

00:14:22   I don't think it would take us long. [TS]

00:14:23   Second time around I guess because certain foundations are in place and presumably they affected [TS]

00:14:30   but they still don't know how the fire started what caused it with the design changes need to be made [TS]

00:14:36   or it was just bad luck or bad people or what So it is too early to say [TS]

00:14:42   but they're already coming out very strongly saying it's all going to it's going to happen again. [TS]

00:14:46   That's going to that's going to start again. [TS]

00:14:50   I just post a video today which Grahame linked with the professor talking all about it so if people want to find out [TS]

00:14:56   more and see some pictures and footage of the fire they can they can have a look at that. [TS]

00:15:01   But just for people in Boston people who might know about it and know that I have a a loose association there. [TS]

00:15:08   That's what happened it wasn't the main chemistry building is the main message it was it was a new building. [TS]

00:15:13   You went up with that in the show that's for people to see the fire the really big story is we're recording now [TS]

00:15:19   and something we discussed in the last episode is the Scottish independence referendum. [TS]

00:15:25   Yes So we are recording this on the morning of the nineteenth which is [TS]

00:15:31   when the results are in for the Scottish independence referendum [TS]

00:15:34   and on the off chance that you haven't already seen this on the news which seems probably unlikely. [TS]

00:15:40   Vote has come in as a no [TS]

00:15:43   and I think the last time I thought about it was about fifty five percent no to forty five percent yes on independence. [TS]

00:15:51   So Scotland has chosen to remain a part of the United Kingdom. [TS]

00:15:55   How do you feel about as we discussed last time this kind of. [TS]

00:16:00   The issue is a funny issue to talk about if you yourself are not Scottish. [TS]

00:16:05   It's sort of not my business which way Scotland goes I don't have a vote I don't think I should have a vote [TS]

00:16:12   and it is a decision that the Scottish people are to make and should really have any input in that [TS]

00:16:20   but it was funny because last night I happened to wake up at about three in the morning [TS]

00:16:27   and just just couldn't get back to sleep [TS]

00:16:29   and I was happen sometimes now that I'm an old man of integrity we should on the podcast [TS]

00:16:34   and we should have that would have been great I'm sure my wife [TS]

00:16:37   and neighbours would have loved me talking really loudly in the main room of our flat until morning. [TS]

00:16:45   Maybe not maybe not so much but yeah so we were up at the same time. [TS]

00:16:49   Well anyway so when I was awake I happened to then remember oh right the Scottish independence referendum. [TS]

00:16:57   I wonder if the results are in. [TS]

00:16:58   So I went online to check and basically at the point that I checked it was initially you know was in the lead [TS]

00:17:07   but as the results were coming in it was swinging closer and closer to. [TS]

00:17:11   Yes And at that moment I found myself thinking like boy I really realize right now how much I don't want this to happen [TS]

00:17:20   you know it's always different when when things are real like it's easier to be neutral [TS]

00:17:25   when you're further away from the event. [TS]

00:17:28   But when it is three thirty in the morning [TS]

00:17:29   and as we said last time even though we don't live in Scotland that would still affect us quite a lot. [TS]

00:17:36   I was getting a little nervous that maybe this would actually tip over into a yes vote again if that's what Scotland [TS]

00:17:41   wanted that would have been totally fine. [TS]

00:17:43   But it it reminded me of I don't know if you know this this trick [TS]

00:17:49   but there is a trick sometimes if you are deciding between two options where Tell me if you've heard this before [TS]

00:17:57   but let's let's say Oh I'm trying to trying to figure out what you want four. [TS]

00:18:00   Our dinner and we're going to go get a talian or are we going to go get Indian [TS]

00:18:04   and you can't decide the trick is to flip a coin [TS]

00:18:08   and as soon as the coin is in the air you kind of instantly know which of the two you actually wanted to be [TS]

00:18:17   and if you've ever tried this. Sound familiar to you. [TS]

00:18:21   I've not heard yet so sounds familiar of my head I can I can imagine that being the case that I have definitely done [TS]

00:18:28   this and I'm always surprised that it works because you are on this watching sport. [TS]

00:18:33   If there's two teams playing [TS]

00:18:34   and I don't have a sort of preordained allegiance to one of them people who I say who are going to be going for in the [TS]

00:18:40   big game and I never really know. And as soon as the game stops that you know within the first second of the game. [TS]

00:18:47   No I just know who I want to win not because of anything that's happened it's just it just crystallizes in my head. [TS]

00:18:54   Yeah I think that is the exact same thing. [TS]

00:18:56   It seems like there's some funny architecture in the brain that refuses to consider things until they are actually real [TS]

00:19:03   and then suddenly says we're going to make a decision on this and boom here's our decision. [TS]

00:19:07   I definitely felt that way [TS]

00:19:09   when the results were actually coming in it was crystallize that I was a very strong if you know if I can control the [TS]

00:19:15   way the universe works I would want this vote to turn out to be No I have to say [TS]

00:19:18   when I woke up this morning the first thing I did was check the news and see what the situation was [TS]

00:19:24   and I was relieved that the vote came in as you know I'm glad that Scotland has chosen to stay. [TS]

00:19:31   Just a funny thing [TS]

00:19:32   when we spoke about it last time I felt that we probably both had that ever so slight bias even they were even though [TS]

00:19:39   as we both say it's not really our business. I've almost went a little bit the other way. [TS]

00:19:45   I mean we I really wanted to stay [TS]

00:19:48   and some people who didn't follow particularly closely the polls for quite a long time we're making it look like it was [TS]

00:19:55   going to be another Scott that was going to stay in the union and then. [TS]

00:20:00   Week before the referendum happen the polls started to close and then started to look like maybe the U.S. [TS]

00:20:06   Fight was going to was going to get there and they were going to break away [TS]

00:20:09   and people started seriously considering hang on this might happen. [TS]

00:20:14   So I started thinking about it seriously and I think thinking through the repercussions and how I felt about it [TS]

00:20:21   and I think I can manage to convince myself that it wouldn't be as bad as I thought [TS]

00:20:26   and I actually started to see you know I started looking for positives to some of them were very selfish positives. [TS]

00:20:33   But other ones which is more general [TS]

00:20:36   and by the time the vote was happening yesterday I was actually thinking actually will be a really good thing if they [TS]

00:20:42   do it. [TS]

00:20:43   It's not as bad as everyone says it's not as it's not as big a catastrophe [TS]

00:20:46   and there are actually a lot of good things about it. [TS]

00:20:49   And [TS]

00:20:50   when the results did come through you know it was a it was a no Scott going to Stang part of me was relieved I guess like [TS]

00:20:57   that coin toss part of me thought I can I am glad. [TS]

00:21:00   But another part of me thought this is a missed opportunity because the saying May you live in interesting times. [TS]

00:21:06   I think there's something to be said for being around I think would be a really exciting to be living in the United [TS]

00:21:11   Kingdom at a time that part of it was being cleaved off. [TS]

00:21:15   I remember a friend of mine many years ago happened to be in Berlin when the Berlin Wall came down [TS]

00:21:20   and always talked about how exciting it was to be there and be part of history and [TS]

00:21:24   and I'm not comparing this to the Berlin Wall coming down but you know there's something to be said for being around [TS]

00:21:30   and experiencing interesting times. [TS]

00:21:32   And instead you know they don't say May you experience status quo that that's what we're going to experience. [TS]

00:21:39   Well maybe let's circle back to status quo [TS]

00:21:42   but I'm curious before I before I move onto Parr what are your what were your selfish reasons for wanting a yes vote. [TS]

00:21:49   Because I'm on the opposite side I have selfish reasons for wanting a no vote. [TS]

00:21:54   But I'm curious what your selfish reasons are for wanting hours coming up with all sorts of all sorts of tenure. [TS]

00:22:00   Things I mean give me a couple I'm curious. Well I mean I wouldn't mind the pound weakening just at the moment. [TS]

00:22:08   Oh yeah that is because of a little income coming from the U.S. and I'm taking an absolute hammering on that. [TS]

00:22:15   So that's a very short term kind of a you know there are many things other than the vision of vision the risk [TS]

00:22:22   and effect currencies. I took his US cheque at the bank today on the day that the pound strengthened by four percent. [TS]

00:22:30   I don't know I think a lot of the things that are out it's more a case that are lower you know I was clutching at [TS]

00:22:37   straws [TS]

00:22:39   and I think it's exciting Scotland today a separate country you know visiting it would be a slightly different experience [TS]

00:22:47   and I go to Scotland a reasonable amount and I think it would add a degree of excitement to think of it. [TS]

00:22:54   Clinician I was thinking Oh I like that I live in the same country is Edinburgh and yes and the Highlands but then [TS]

00:23:00   and then I thought well that's stupid because I love Paris to it doesn't matter that Paris isn't part of the country I [TS]

00:23:06   live in the mountains to go there and in fact it's more exciting to go there when it's a different country. So. [TS]

00:23:13   So I think the main thing is I just think it would have been an interesting thing to live through. [TS]

00:23:17   I like living through interesting times. [TS]

00:23:21   I cannot tell a really tangental story here is that over time you know go ahead get out [TS]

00:23:28   or this is a good life lesson that before I took the milk [TS]

00:23:33   and I think probably I was going to drink to give you the sound effect [TS]

00:23:36   and I dunno probably So I still have to do another crack. There we go. [TS]

00:23:41   And let me have a sit here here's Brady story people love drinking fountain parka and spare my blushes. [TS]

00:23:54   I thank you and I'll give you a really good one. [TS]

00:24:02   Many many are used to there was barely time to silently drinking my coffee just to show I do drink silently like I had [TS]

00:24:13   been drinking during this podcast already many years ago I was in Bangkok [TS]

00:24:20   and I was there with I was traveling with an ex-girlfriend of well she was my cargo for at the time she is now an [TS]

00:24:26   ex-girlfriend and we read something in the paper always saw somewhere that there was going to be some boats [TS]

00:24:35   or something happening on the river and we thought you were going to have a look at that [TS]

00:24:41   and we'd only been traveling around and going to the temples and doing all the tourist things that you do in Bangkok [TS]

00:24:45   and we thought I don't think I can handle another day walking around in the crazy city. [TS]

00:24:50   Let's just go to an air conditioned shopping center and buy some T. Shirts and that's what we did. [TS]

00:24:57   The next day we looked at the paper [TS]

00:25:00   and it turns out these boats on the water thing was this special thing that only happens like once every ten years [TS]

00:25:08   or something where there's all these special barges and gold and boats and things like that that belong to the king [TS]

00:25:16   and they get them all out in this huge flotilla and the king himself gets on his grand [TS]

00:25:21   but that only comes out once in a blue moon and all of the paper to the city come and cheer [TS]

00:25:26   and it's like this incredible once in a lifetime thing that people travel the world to go [TS]

00:25:30   and say because it's so incredible and it happened to be on while we were in Bangkok and we didn't go on say it. [TS]

00:25:39   And ever since then I have often thought like Don't miss out on interesting things because you're lazy [TS]

00:25:47   or because you want to maintain the status quo or have the easy path and maybe it's that way with Scotland. [TS]

00:25:53   Like it seems like all if Scotland is showing off it could be bad for us and bad things could happen. [TS]

00:26:01   But maybe we also met a really interesting thing and something to tell your grandkids about. [TS]

00:26:06   I remember when Scotland broke off I was there I was living in England at the time and all this happened [TS]

00:26:10   and it citrus cetera. [TS]

00:26:13   And I suddenly thought Scotland lazing must just be an exciting thing like the boats on the river [TS]

00:26:21   and it would be a shame to miss it because of what happened and what happened in our lifetime now is that crazy. [TS]

00:26:28   You've been very quiet. I just I am so angry about the drinking thing now. Sometimes I don't understand your stories. [TS]

00:26:39   Thank goodness I think. [TS]

00:26:43   Wait wait so you didn't see a thing in Bangkok which could have been interesting so Scotland should be independent [TS]

00:26:51   but I also know that your vacations now you don't go see anything. [TS]

00:26:55   But isn't that same logic and I don't go and don't bring in previous conversations that just come to mind [TS]

00:27:01   and I didn't mean to tough it out because I was trying to follow the the metaphorical thread. [TS]

00:27:09   Well I don't know I just made me think of it maybe it was a bad link but. [TS]

00:27:13   I can sort of say in my head like really often you know a lot of people don't do things [TS]

00:27:20   or don't want things to happen because they don't like change [TS]

00:27:25   or they don't want to disrupt their plans they already have or they don't want to disrupt their life [TS]

00:27:29   and I think nine times out of ten when you just when something does happen or you do something [TS]

00:27:35   or change happens it's for the best. You know you and I could both be living in the cities we were born in. [TS]

00:27:40   Right now if we didn't if we didn't at some point show a bit of gumption [TS]

00:27:45   and say no that's changed let's let's change our surroundings and do something different [TS]

00:27:49   and you can easily just stay where you are and think what life is OK here and I could move to England [TS]

00:27:54   or move somewhere else and it could all go wrong. But we did and I think. Turned our on. [TS]

00:28:04   Things turned out for the best. It has turned out for the best. [TS]

00:28:07   I just it just suddenly occurred to me I think it could be just even just as a spectator it could be exciting if [TS]

00:28:13   Scotland left and I shouldn't worry so much about about it. [TS]

00:28:19   Anyway it's not happening now because I'm going to know if I have any now. [TS]

00:28:22   But [TS]

00:28:23   but talking about talking about change does bring us back to to one of the points which is that I don't necessarily think [TS]

00:28:29   that this means that the status quo is going to be the case. [TS]

00:28:33   And now of course well that's because the Westminster politicians got so scared that Scotland were going to leave they [TS]

00:28:39   promised them a whole bunch of powers and extra DE Volution anyway. [TS]

00:28:44   Yes Yes This is the sort of gets into the weeds of British politics which are. [TS]

00:28:49   Very strange especially if you're an American. The way this whole system is set up. [TS]

00:28:55   But yes Scotland was promised a bunch of [TS]

00:28:58   but you used the word evolution which is a constant topic of conversation in U.K. [TS]

00:29:04   Politics because unlike a country like America where the founders got together and they wrote out a document [TS]

00:29:11   and they said OK well here are the rules and this is the way this is going to work [TS]

00:29:15   and here is how much power the states have and here is how much power the federal government has [TS]

00:29:18   and we've written it all down and at least when we change rules [TS]

00:29:22   or we have amendments it happens everywhere all at once. A parliamentary government like the U.K. [TS]

00:29:28   Nothing like that you have this this just stack of papers that goes back a thousand years [TS]

00:29:36   and each piece of paper is some new rule or some exception to a previous rule [TS]

00:29:41   or it's there because of a particular circumstance that happened at the time [TS]

00:29:46   and then you can get a toehold out on a Thursday and things [TS]

00:29:49   and you also end up with I mean some of the things like that I've been researching is like these ruled it happened [TS]

00:29:55   because Scotland was independent for a while but then it came back and won. [TS]

00:30:00   Or the circumstances under which it comes back and I like the thing that people get mad about [TS]

00:30:05   and my videos are sometimes i don't show whales on the map but when I show the U.K. [TS]

00:30:11   and That's because for a while Wales was just subsumed into England and then it reappeared years later [TS]

00:30:16   but you have all of this crazy stuff that has happened over history [TS]

00:30:20   and because of that you have this weird collection of what are the rules in these particular places [TS]

00:30:27   and do evolution now is used to talk about what local powers do the various four countries England Scotland Wales [TS]

00:30:37   and Northern Ireland of the U.K. [TS]

00:30:39   Actually have and it sounds crazy to an American [TS]

00:30:42   but they have different levels of power like say like Scotland controls its own education system whereas the way I was [TS]

00:30:50   education system is controlled from England and right of married into the English one. [TS]

00:30:54   Right which is where like when I got qualified to teach in England I was automatically qualified to teach in Wales [TS]

00:31:01   but not Scotland. If I if I wanted to teach in Scotland I would have to go through another process to get approved. [TS]

00:31:07   And also Scotland Scotland has their own like the N.H.S. [TS]

00:31:11   Works in the National Health Service works differently in Scotland [TS]

00:31:14   and the what is it the National Trust like the store. There's all of these things which you think are U.K. [TS]

00:31:22   Wide but actually Scotland has their own version. [TS]

00:31:25   So in this in the devolution actually Scotland has the most amount of power wells [TS]

00:31:31   and Northern Ireland have some power but not as much of Scotland and the thing that seems almost crazy [TS]

00:31:38   when you try to explain to people is that England has no power in devolution [TS]

00:31:43   and say wait a most people living that is in England the most powerful one being gracious given it doesn't make any [TS]

00:31:49   sense at all when you explain it but you have to remember these are all particular circumstances [TS]

00:31:54   and so there's a lot of talk now about well if we're giving Scotland more. [TS]

00:32:00   Power in terms of devolution in terms of what can they control that the U.K. National parliament can't override. [TS]

00:32:07   Maybe it's time to to basically start over and write a new Act of Union [TS]

00:32:14   and say look let's let's make this consistent between the four countries of the U.K. [TS]

00:32:19   and How much power are they going to have and what is the national What should be handled at the national level [TS]

00:32:24   and what should be handled at. [TS]

00:32:26   Again I keep saying the country level because that's the right term [TS]

00:32:28   but if you're an American the equivalent of the state level [TS]

00:32:32   and I'm very interested in this I might my mind is a topic I have thought about very often of doing a video on because [TS]

00:32:40   there are just there are lots of weird quirks about how the system works [TS]

00:32:43   but it seems like it is definitely overdue for some kind of change with how how the power is distributed whether [TS]

00:32:52   federalizing it. [TS]

00:32:54   Yeah that's that's usually the term that it uses is making it into a formal federalized system which as a general [TS]

00:33:02   principle I would I would be behind that. You know the notion is that the U.K. [TS]

00:33:07   National parliament would be limited to things that concern all four countries so maintaining the military maintaining [TS]

00:33:13   the currency but it would not be responsible for things like the education system. [TS]

00:33:20   How the health system is handled in each of the countries in that that would be up to them as individual pieces. [TS]

00:33:25   So I don't necessarily think that that we are headed into an interesting times. [TS]

00:33:32   I think there is a lot that could be improved and may very well be improved if we are going going forward [TS]

00:33:39   and as I said totally should happen. [TS]

00:33:41   Give Scotland the additional devolution powers that they were promised during the referendum. [TS]

00:33:46   Surely like Scotland like rebelling [TS]

00:33:48   and leaving the union is more interesting then maybe that's going to be a whole bunch of laws [TS]

00:33:54   and federalization things past that stands. Yeah sure it'll be an interesting I guess if you're. [TS]

00:34:00   Not interested in that kind of stuff it sounds uninteresting I agree yes of course Scotland leaving is much more [TS]

00:34:05   dramatic but I don't I don't think that this is necessarily the status quo. [TS]

00:34:11   I was listening to the radio and the other thing that's been discussed obviously is if this happens [TS]

00:34:16   and they start going down this kind of federalization route there are other things to be considered as well. [TS]

00:34:21   For example the north of England which also feels quite sort of separate from the London Westminster bubble. [TS]

00:34:31   There's talk about will power some powers be devolved to the regions of England as well so I guess there's a bit of [TS]

00:34:37   bandwagon jumping going on at this point [TS]

00:34:41   and all the sort of interest groups in parts of England are all sort of crying out now as well saying well if we're [TS]

00:34:46   going to start doling out powers to people can we have a bit more control over destiny [TS]

00:34:51   and not just be controlled by London. Nigel thing isn't it. You know oh I mean this is this is you know a lot of. [TS]

00:35:00   They get one when I look at political stories. [TS]

00:35:02   I often think that it's much it's often much less about a particular left right divide as it is often a major [TS]

00:35:11   metropolitan areas vs non major metropolitan areas divide. [TS]

00:35:16   Yeah I think that is often the the problem that people actually care about [TS]

00:35:22   and maybe that gets tangled up in this other notion of left versus right. [TS]

00:35:28   But there's no way to deny it that that the handling say transportation in the north of England is an entirely [TS]

00:35:35   different question than how do you handle transportation in zone one of London the absolute center of the city. [TS]

00:35:42   You cannot possibly have a as a same solution for both of those areas [TS]

00:35:49   and that depending on how the federalization would work out I think it would totally make sense to say the North of [TS]

00:35:55   England has devolved powers to handle certain things that make sense for that region to handle. [TS]

00:36:00   Then it doesn't make sense for all of England to vote as a single block and what I think is that the U.K. [TS]

00:36:05   Is actually quite lopsided with London because if you you know roughly sixty million people in the U.K. [TS]

00:36:13   And again Ball Park ing it you can say there's about ten million people who live in the London Metropolitan area [TS]

00:36:19   and so you have a country with like one sixth of the population broadly speaking lives in the capital city that that [TS]

00:36:27   gets to a very strange system when you're trying to work out well what's what's going to happen [TS]

00:36:32   when you're voting on particular issues so I could definitely I could see a very reasoned argument for those places [TS]

00:36:39   having having more power but [TS]

00:36:40   but this is always the problem you know in home patter that are where you are like oh you know I grew up in New York [TS]

00:36:46   and. [TS]

00:36:47   New York State politics was always the same problem right it was the downstate area which is Long Island [TS]

00:36:53   and New York City versus everybody else which is upstate just as rural wasteland of cows [TS]

00:37:02   and occasional farmers eking out a living among the rocks you know like [TS]

00:37:07   but this is just this is just the problem that you have. He said that he will relieved that Scotland voted no. [TS]

00:37:18   Why were you late. Why are you glad Scott on a stamp out of the Union. [TS]

00:37:21   OK OK the most selfish reason is it feels like I got out of a homework assignment which was having to redo my U.K. [TS]

00:37:29   Explained via you for having us any good. [TS]

00:37:34   No no no but you see that currency reason might only that situation can change over the course of months [TS]

00:37:41   but I will never be out from under the shadow of my U.K. [TS]

00:37:44   Explain video that thing will always be my most popular most looming video [TS]

00:37:49   and so the thought of having to redo that was not a pleasant thought I'd look at the one they think some of the [TS]

00:37:54   mistakes and Norroway their mistakes do not go away at me but I also. [TS]

00:38:01   The thought of trying to redo that again was very unpleasant it's a bit like it's a bit like remaking Star Wars like [TS]

00:38:10   what am I going to do I'm going to go back and well you know I really wanted Northern Ireland to shoot first [TS]

00:38:16   and you know that was the way it was always supposed to be [TS]

00:38:18   and I'll never be the same kind of thing that the original was so I just I was not looking forward to doing that so if [TS]

00:38:27   anyone would be the episode in which great companions you can explain to us [TS]

00:38:34   but not that it is one of my selfish reasons I thought oh man who took it didn't care today. [TS]

00:38:41   I'll give you that up this is like like a school snow day like man I just cut it out of a whole bunch of work out [TS]

00:38:46   and I want to do it if they had voted yes. How soon would you started work on the new video. [TS]

00:38:53   I would have had to wait until I knew what the situation was going to be again because of my production cycle. [TS]

00:39:01   I cannot really make a timely video so I would probably wait until it was really sorted out what is the relationship [TS]

00:39:09   between these places going to be. [TS]

00:39:11   I could answer a bunch of the questions I would want to answer in the video I wouldn't want to do anything that was [TS]

00:39:16   somewhat speculative. [TS]

00:39:18   Had Westminster officials not given you sort of off the record break things in anticipation of you having to remake [TS]

00:39:24   that video. [TS]

00:39:24   No unfortunately unfortunately not now though I did have I did have a plan which I've had ever since I even heard about [TS]

00:39:31   the Scottish independence referendum which was now of course it won't happen so I can talk about it on the show [TS]

00:39:37   but I owned save the Union Jack dot com for I don't know two years [TS]

00:39:44   or three years because I would if the independence referendum had gone yes I was going to go all in on a campaign to [TS]

00:39:52   preserve the design of the Union Jack and to not remove the blue elements from it and I. [TS]

00:40:00   As I was going to make a video promoting this I was going to have a website I was going to try to arrange write to your [TS]

00:40:06   local minister campaign because I thought I would if if this does happen if there is independence I am very strongly [TS]

00:40:14   behind the notion that the flag should remain the same [TS]

00:40:17   but that that has that has not occurred so I don't have to do that's another bit of work that I got out of that was [TS]

00:40:23   that like a business decision [TS]

00:40:24   or was this just your passion for flags was that you know the touristic this is just my passion for flight you know I [TS]

00:40:30   can imagine that would be a wildly popular video. [TS]

00:40:34   Well I mean this is this is this is the weird scale of things right like I did mention before [TS]

00:40:39   and I think sometimes by doing videos on English politics [TS]

00:40:42   and compared to many of the other things on my on my list that is not going to be as popular as other stuff can [TS]

00:40:49   possibly be but you know I like to make the videos that interest me [TS]

00:40:53   and so the flat that one it would definitely be a passion project [TS]

00:40:57   and I would really want to keep things the way they were with the flag I felt I felt really strong. [TS]

00:41:04   Did you cut from the last episode because you cut my really boring stories. [TS]

00:41:09   The staffer that they destroy you know friend them. [TS]

00:41:14   You know honestly I don't remember if I cut that or not it sounds like something I would cut didn't go anywhere. [TS]

00:41:20   Yeah well most of my stuff doesn't go anywhere but you keep some of it. Sometimes I do have. [TS]

00:41:24   Yeah I did like the last amazing story about the one I looked up more about on a vacation once [TS]

00:41:31   and then it was just like the time Australia should have voted for independence [TS]

00:41:34   or love your thing a little bit Maine now I'm sorry. [TS]

00:41:39   In one nine hundred ninety nine there was a strategy had the referendum about becoming a republic in ditching the [TS]

00:41:47   quaint and I don't want to be controversial [TS]

00:41:50   but I think it's pretty fair to say that the majority of Australians want to become a republic. But the referendum. [TS]

00:42:00   I failed. Astray did not become a republic. [TS]

00:42:03   Most people think that there could be an argument made here [TS]

00:42:06   but a lot of people certainly think the reason it failed was because the pro republican movement had their vote split. [TS]

00:42:14   Because [TS]

00:42:14   when it was put to a vote the only option Australians were given was to have a president appointed by a two thirds [TS]

00:42:23   majority of the parliament the elected representative so it wouldn't be a popularly elected president it would be an [TS]

00:42:31   appointment by the politicians. [TS]

00:42:33   Right so my dear Prime Minister we're not different to a prime minister actually brain is meant many many countries [TS]

00:42:41   have again mindblowing three Americans. This kind of president role which is very separate from a prime minister. [TS]

00:42:47   ROVE Yeah well one of the head of one is a head of state and one of them is the head of government. [TS]

00:42:52   Yes [TS]

00:42:53   and this was a little bit different to that I don't think this Astrarium president would've we still would've had a prime [TS]

00:42:59   minister who was more powerful than the president anyway. [TS]

00:43:03   How about a lot of the pro republican movement didn't want that they wanted a popularly elected president not the [TS]

00:43:09   American model. [TS]

00:43:10   Right [TS]

00:43:11   and because of this split those people who didn't vote for the Republican cause it wasn't the Republic they wanted [TS]

00:43:18   and I think the anti Republic people quite clever and engineered it to happen that way. [TS]

00:43:23   Misplaced the vote they won the day and there hasn't been another vote since. [TS]

00:43:30   I'm wondering whether [TS]

00:43:31   or not there's any element of any element of sort of sabotage of the Scotland vote went on Hughie who sort of had some [TS]

00:43:40   nice conspiracy theories in the last episode [TS]

00:43:44   but it doesn't seem to doesn't seem quite that way to me it seems like that this is more of an accurate reflection of [TS]

00:43:50   what the people of Scotland wanted. [TS]

00:43:54   There was a fear mongering towards the end with a saying of Scotland if you leave you know your economy is going to [TS]

00:43:58   collapse and all that. This is going to lave and you have to pay more for a loaf of bread and things. [TS]

00:44:04   Yeah I mean there's always that that kind of scare mongering I mean [TS]

00:44:07   when I thought about doing a Scottish independence video the one the one fact that I always thought was pertinent to [TS]

00:44:15   this discussion which I actually forgot to bring up [TS]

00:44:17   when we were talking about the last time before the vote the push for Scottish independence was always partly hinge ing [TS]

00:44:24   on this notion of immediate acceptance into the European Union [TS]

00:44:28   and this is this is what Scotland was sold as a basically we are going to leave the United Kingdom [TS]

00:44:34   and then you know there's a special velvet ropes off section for Scotland to enter immediately into the European Union [TS]

00:44:41   and the European Union parliament was really clear that this was not the case that Scotland would have to go through [TS]

00:44:49   the regular process just like everybody else and that was that was one factor they always felt was a bit. [TS]

00:44:56   Played down by the yes to independence movement is is oh you know oh don't worry Scotland is not going to be by herself [TS]

00:45:04   on the world stage Scotland Scotland is going to be part of this massive European Union [TS]

00:45:10   and the European Union was well well well well you know we have a lot of problems already with small countries that [TS]

00:45:18   have joined [TS]

00:45:19   and you know maybe we're going to want to test you just like all the others to see if this brand new zero year old [TS]

00:45:25   country can handle itself before we actually want to lead it into the European Union. [TS]

00:45:30   So I always thought that was that was not a scaremongering mongering fact [TS]

00:45:35   but I think that that is a very relevant facts that would change people's votes because yes if it if the European Union [TS]

00:45:42   was oh don't worry we have open arms Scotland can come around [TS]

00:45:45   and that is totally changes the situation of how how do you actually want to vote. [TS]

00:45:50   That makes a yes vote much more likely. [TS]

00:45:52   But as many people pointed out in the Reddit discussion which I just want to highlight what I was saying last time [TS]

00:45:58   about how there are no. [TS]

00:46:00   Details and this making me wonder if if the people who are in favor of it were trying to scuttle it. [TS]

00:46:05   Many people rightly pointed out that not having details for your plan is also just the correct debating tactic. [TS]

00:46:13   If if you are kind of on the opposing side. [TS]

00:46:18   For example you know if you are the minority party you say oh we want to improve the health care situation in our [TS]

00:46:24   country [TS]

00:46:24   but you don't give details about it because you want people to go along with well of course I'm for improving the [TS]

00:46:30   health care system and I think the current system is rubbish. [TS]

00:46:32   So let's vote for the guys who are in favor of improving it. [TS]

00:46:35   And you don't say what the specifics are because you don't want your opponent to be able to shoot down why your reasons [TS]

00:46:42   won't work. Keep yourself a small target. Yes that's exactly what you wanted. [TS]

00:46:46   It's like decreasing the surface area of exposure by not mentioning specific So yeah I am with you from from everything [TS]

00:46:53   that I can tell unlike what it sounds like happened with the Australian vote or unlike what happened with the the U. K. [TS]

00:46:59   Vote on the voting system itself and this seems like it's a pretty genuine reflection of what the people wanted [TS]

00:47:07   and so I feel very very comfortable in saying like Scotland has chosen to stay [TS]

00:47:12   and that this seems an accurate representation of the will of the majority of Scottish people. [TS]

00:47:18   Where is the line drawn for groups of people that can just decide to leave a country. [TS]

00:47:25   I know you've got a very famous video about Texas seceding from the union [TS]

00:47:29   and I'm not for a second suggesting that Scotland doesn't have the right to have this vote. [TS]

00:47:35   They're pretty clearly delineated group part of the United Kingdom [TS]

00:47:41   but like you know what's to stop you know me help having a vote [TS]

00:47:45   and saying OK Brady in my house here is you know leaving the United Kingdom where where where is this line drawn this [TS]

00:47:53   is this is just like it sort of like my oh my how many countries are there video it. [TS]

00:48:00   It is very hard to know precisely where these lines are drawn and there is no way to to clearly define this. [TS]

00:48:09   I have the independence movements are kind of the sort of a hobby of mine. [TS]

00:48:16   I'm always very interested in groups trying to break off from from their main countries [TS]

00:48:24   and one of the things I find endlessly fascinating is speculating on independence movements that failed in the United [TS]

00:48:30   States. [TS]

00:48:31   There are numerous times that various parts of the United States [TS]

00:48:35   or various groups in the United States try to break away from that country as a whole and were unsuccessful. [TS]

00:48:41   And if you look at the North American continent it has the lowest countries per Continental ratio of anybody of to less [TS]

00:48:48   of course counting Australia which I think doesn't exactly count. [TS]

00:48:52   I do just find that very interesting of what is what is this group [TS]

00:48:55   but I think it really just comes down to a question of Is your group large enough that it is able to exert its will on [TS]

00:49:05   the international stage either through military means [TS]

00:49:09   or just through cultural means that like that is the bottom line is your group able to do this. [TS]

00:49:16   And some groups are and some groups aren't. I don't think I'm there yet. I don't think we're there yet either. [TS]

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00:51:24   There's been a lot of technology in years and I know you [TS]

00:51:28   and I love technology podcasts although we don't consider this to be a technology podcast [TS]

00:51:33   but it's going to have to be a little bit today because it's all been happening. [TS]

00:51:37   Yeah so this is this is this episode is basically one hundred percent topical I think because a bunch of stuff has just [TS]

00:51:43   happened either exactly today or in the past couple of days and we want to talk about all of it. [TS]

00:51:48   So the Scottish referendum was the first on that list and we [TS]

00:51:50   and then we have a few technology things that that we'd like to talk about the Kindle. [TS]

00:51:55   Yes the Kindle I feel like and I feel like I should have a Kindle corner on. The show came about that all the time. [TS]

00:52:03   Today's episode of Kindle call [TS]

00:52:05   and so Amazon has announced a new Kindle which I was I was wondering if they were going to come out with a new one as a [TS]

00:52:13   kind of slow with the releases on that which makes sense there are two very different product [TS]

00:52:16   but the code is about code. OK So the official name is I have to look at it is a Kindle. [TS]

00:52:24   Voyage is the name of the new one [TS]

00:52:27   but I am just going to call it the Voyager because I know that is exactly what I'm going to call it every time. [TS]

00:52:32   Anyway so let's just cut to the chase where I don't try to struggle with this every time it's the Kindle Voyager. [TS]

00:52:41   Does Voyager straightaway conjure up Star Trek to you or the NASA probes. [TS]

00:52:46   I honestly [TS]

00:52:47   when I think into Voyager I think Janeway is what I think I don't think the probe that I hear Voyager I you know I [TS]

00:52:54   think there's coffee in that nebula. That's what I think. [TS]

00:52:57   Yes Amazon enough is I think just yesterday I think I have I know nothing about it I'm not saying I did not know it [TS]

00:53:03   happened until you told me what does it look different. OK so I can't remember the last time I just feel it. [TS]

00:53:10   I know why I should ask you because you don't know either [TS]

00:53:12   but I think we decided that you have the Kindle Paperwhite that's OK so I had to say when you have yes. [TS]

00:53:19   OK OK so the Kindle Voyager is basically the improved version of the paper white if you look at it it is the same size. [TS]

00:53:32   It has roughly the same bezel around the edge but they have made it a little bit lighter [TS]

00:53:39   and they have improved some of the complaints about the Kindle Paperwhite count on stopping a taste to get straight to [TS]

00:53:48   what you want to talk about it. [TS]

00:53:50   Let's get to justification of testosterone to talk about the rest of it but all right [TS]

00:53:57   and then you can talk about the old that's all anyone wanted. [TS]

00:54:02   OK so I hear oh there's a new there's a new Kindle how exciting this is what I originally you know in my heart of [TS]

00:54:10   hearts thought their their their Phone announcement was everybody was looking at that video going OK [TS]

00:54:15   or a new Kindle right because I knew I wanted to see. Now that I hear here is the real deal. [TS]

00:54:20   Now if you watch some of their promo videos they have a very carefully selected big bold images that show left [TS]

00:54:29   justified text and they show it because it looks good left justified text. [TS]

00:54:37   Yeah Hughes is the catch [TS]

00:54:39   and people have sent me screen shots all the time so I might look at the stuff stop sending me screenshots of left [TS]

00:54:45   justified text on your Kindle because when when a publisher puts their book on Amazon service [TS]

00:54:53   when they format the book they have the option to force left justify the text so it is not an option on the Kindle they [TS]

00:55:03   can just specify this text needs to be left justified and all reasonable book publishers do that. [TS]

00:55:10   Which unfortunately is not very many but some. [TS]

00:55:13   Every once in a while I get a book and it is left justified [TS]

00:55:16   and I just want to kiss the author for having that that be the case. And so I look at their promo video is like huh. [TS]

00:55:24   Well isn't that interesting you seem to be showing off your your left justified text. [TS]

00:55:28   But in every one of the hands on videos [TS]

00:55:31   and if you look closely at a bunch of the screen shots you can totally see that it is the full justified text [TS]

00:55:37   abomination on every Kindle that has come before with those same saying Oh those silly spaces so odd shapes [TS]

00:55:44   and yes with with with if you if you if you read a book that has big words in it you're going to have big spaces on [TS]

00:55:50   your lines and it just looks the thing that I always have in mind when when I'm reading a book on the Kindle is [TS]

00:55:56   and you get to a line that has a whole bunch of spaces on it. [TS]

00:56:00   Bases are just much bigger it's like the narrator in my head has to slow down to read that part. [TS]

00:56:05   That's partly why it's so terribly distracting [TS]

00:56:09   and on top of that Amazon doesn't recognize em dashes as proper punctuation so if you have a word dash you know clause [TS]

00:56:17   dash go on to the next sentence. [TS]

00:56:18   Amazon thinks that whole section is just one gigantic word [TS]

00:56:22   and so you'll end up with some stupid stupid line that has half of it is blank space so pretty. [TS]

00:56:28   Anyway the thing I'm not clear about are you saying that this is new to the Voyager that the publishers can do this [TS]

00:56:35   let's justify this I haven't always been the case. OK even on my paper every once in a while I get a book that is left. [TS]

00:56:43   Did you not know this before look at this new information to you because you did you never brought this up before. [TS]

00:56:47   I never brought it up because it is it wasn't worth bringing up a trivial number of books like you it we did it why [TS]

00:56:53   it's like Christmas morning when I get a book that is left justified. [TS]

00:56:57   OK it just is so so rare that it's not worth mentioning. Thank you. It's also is there a change with the Voyager. [TS]

00:57:03   OK So so I'm looking at this [TS]

00:57:05   and then now I have to dig through every screenshot every video of this thing anywhere on the Internet [TS]

00:57:10   and eventually I find through some of the hands on videos. [TS]

00:57:14   The great disappointment that I'm expecting which is an image of the setting screen [TS]

00:57:19   and sure enough there is no option for the justification at all it's the same crummy settings screen on the current one [TS]

00:57:27   there isn't a way to turn on less justification and I am I am terribly sad about this. [TS]

00:57:33   Now the thing that I have to say though is that I am also not terribly surprised by this because [TS]

00:57:42   and now I'm going to have to get a little bit vague here. [TS]

00:57:45   But let's just say I have been contacted since our first complaining about the Kindle show by people who are within the [TS]

00:57:55   Amazon universe and. [TS]

00:58:00   I've had a couple conversations with people in different areas of that universe [TS]

00:58:05   and what they like in a car park like meeting in the middle of the night [TS]

00:58:08   and stuff like that that that basically I guess what the hell I'm Dan so I can see them [TS]

00:58:12   or some that like you need to know something awesome and the the the and I'm going to be a bit vague here [TS]

00:58:19   but the information that was conveyed to me is that basically won it one of two states is the case. [TS]

00:58:30   The Amazon the people in charge of the Amazon Kindle software are either unaware of left justification which is [TS]

00:58:40   horrifying to me as as a possibility [TS]

00:58:44   or the other thing that was conveyed to me is that they are indifferent to this as an issue in general which is even [TS]

00:58:53   worse because if someone is unaware you have the hope of changing their mind if they are indifferent. [TS]

00:59:00   There is absolutely nothing that you can do so I was since these people contacted me and [TS]

00:59:07   and then since the Voyager came out I was hoping that maybe something had changed which is why I was looking for all [TS]

00:59:12   the setting screens and trying to find everything that I could but I was not surprised [TS]

00:59:16   when I discovered that no full justification is still the abomination that we all have to live with you have to let you [TS]

00:59:23   have that confidential exclusive but that the people in charge of it don't. [TS]

00:59:29   Well knowing about it or don't care about it. [TS]

00:59:31   Well here's the thing what could have been yeah it could have been some technical reason [TS]

00:59:37   but it could have been some technical reason which is which is totally understandable. [TS]

00:59:42   But there you are saying is the new information the it's a big exclusive what you've been told in the car park here is [TS]

00:59:47   there's not a technical or commercial reason that is that is correct [TS]

00:59:52   but I think this is interesting to me because it is it is confirmation that like I said before you have to try this. [TS]

01:00:00   I feel it about like what is what is going on inside another entity what are their reasons for yelling something [TS]

01:00:07   and this is confirmation to me about a certain aspect of that. Yes there are forces at play here. [TS]

01:00:13   There are forces at play here is just indifference. OK how is that is that is that is interesting information. [TS]

01:00:21   And so what I'm going to say now what was also conveyed to me a little bit more than that it was the second meeting of [TS]

01:00:27   the meeting. [TS]

01:00:30   Yeah well I was I was planning on doing more with this at some point in the future [TS]

01:00:34   but I will just mention it now is that Amazon. [TS]

01:00:38   There can be faults of them as a company [TS]

01:00:40   but one thing that they are quite good at is being relatively sensitive to their customer service I get is pretty good [TS]

01:00:47   compared to most other companies and that is that is always kind of a Jeff Bezos. Make the customer happy rallying cry. [TS]

01:00:55   Yeah I just read that his not his autobiography [TS]

01:00:59   but the biography that was written about him the everything so it was interesting. [TS]

01:01:03   But it was conveyed to me that basically the customer service people will report feature requests [TS]

01:01:13   when people call in to complain about stuff on their various Kindles. [TS]

01:01:18   So I am going to put some contact information in the show notes of this episode [TS]

01:01:24   and if you are in America so that you can call the Amazon Kindle customer support please call them if you are on my [TS]

01:01:32   side and let them know that you are dissatisfied with the horrific type hogger fee of the Amazon Kindle [TS]

01:01:39   and that you would love it if they would consider adding left alignment as one of the options to the text. [TS]

01:01:46   So I'm going to put that information in the show notes if you are on board with me on this one. [TS]

01:01:50   I would absolutely love it if you called [TS]

01:01:53   and made that request so that is something else that I would just like to put out there in the universe. [TS]

01:02:00   I on the other hand would prefer you support Asia yet you know the varieties it can I can I ask you a question just to [TS]

01:02:08   make sure I understand something probably yes. [TS]

01:02:11   Coming back to this small number of publishers [TS]

01:02:14   and left justify the text you know if the good citizens who you want to kiss. [TS]

01:02:19   Yeah I think I said publishers [TS]

01:02:20   but I should have said book authors I think is is really the case I think whoever is typesetting that particular book [TS]

01:02:28   and I had to manually set it to be left justified is that is it is one or the other [TS]

01:02:33   or is this something you can toggle between. That's what I'm not understanding you. [TS]

01:02:37   You have no choice over how the text is displayed either way you can say OK this is left justified [TS]

01:02:44   but if I press this button here the whole book will become. [TS]

01:02:46   Yeah they're all there is there is no way to on left justify it you know not what you want for some reason you you are [TS]

01:02:53   desirous of a vastly inferior reading experience [TS]

01:02:56   and you have received as beautifully typeset book you can't press the button to turn it back into the horrible normal [TS]

01:03:01   way which you know you know you maybe you want that and I think there should be an option to do that. [TS]

01:03:08   So yes anyway that that is kind of what the main thing about the Kindle that I want to say is that I was hopeful [TS]

01:03:16   and then expectantly disappointed about the main feature that I wanted [TS]

01:03:21   but like a total idiot I pre-ordered it anyway because I do like my Kindle should I mean Amazon the people to be loving [TS]

01:03:31   about this sounds to me like the typesetters and the publishers [TS]

01:03:34   and the authors are the ones that we should be lobbying. [TS]

01:03:37   Well I don't know if that would be I don't know if I would be more effective because that is just so distributed. [TS]

01:03:45   And also the thing that I want is to be able to change the alignment in my books. [TS]

01:03:52   But if if as you say the decisions being made by the publishers [TS]

01:03:56   and some of them are saying I'm going to left justified because I think that looks bad. [TS]

01:04:00   It sounds unfair to be blaming Amazon Amazon and giving these publishers both abilities [TS]

01:04:06   and the publishers are choosing the ugly flock No no that's. [TS]

01:04:11   That sounds true [TS]

01:04:13   but here is the way the way that it technically works is that if you do not manually specify an alignment OK It [TS]

01:04:22   defaults to fully justify case a block is default ugly block is default [TS]

01:04:27   and specifying alignment is without a doubt more of a pain in the butt because you have to be mindful of the chapter [TS]

01:04:36   headers or different sections of the book that you might want to be differently aligned. [TS]

01:04:40   I was and it is a much easier job to just say define Oh right [TS]

01:04:45   and here are the chapters Here's everything that's not a chapter just make it look good [TS]

01:04:50   and it is it is an uphill battle if you want to make it look good. [TS]

01:04:54   So that's why it is it is not quite not there's not quite the right way to look at it you can't think of a book that [TS]

01:05:00   was left justified for shout out. [TS]

01:05:02   Somebody showed me that some of them to screen shot the one I remember was a Malcolm Gladwell outliers was left [TS]

01:05:08   justified taking I don't remember off the top of my head the book that I have seen because again it is it is just so [TS]

01:05:13   rare. [TS]

01:05:13   But before I get too far off the topic just [TS]

01:05:17   but I do want to remember your listeners I normally don't ask for you to send me things [TS]

01:05:21   but I would like for people to send me either via e-mail or by Twitter. Example. [TS]

01:05:29   It's hideous hideous full justification on your Kindle devices. [TS]

01:05:34   Sometimes you will come across a passage that is just comically awful and if you are this is on your paper [TS]

01:05:40   or on your phone [TS]

01:05:42   or on any of the Kindle devices that you use I would like you to send me screenshots of horrific examples of what [TS]

01:05:49   happens when you fully justified the text [TS]

01:05:51   and I have a little project for that at some point so they request from me to you. [TS]

01:05:56   Dear Internet rest in peace grace in books. Now I almost don't want to. [TS]

01:06:02   But there's no way that I could I could do this on my own so I would I would I would need help from the internet for [TS]

01:06:08   what I have in mind. Do you want to talk about any other features of the new Kindle or is that really where it's at. [TS]

01:06:13   That's really where it's at the only thing I will mention just very briefly [TS]

01:06:16   and one of the reasons why I did pre-order it is that it has added not exactly buttons [TS]

01:06:22   but pressure sensors on the side of the screen to make the page turning more easy [TS]

01:06:28   and that was one of my big complaints with the paper white was that they took away the buttons on either side of the [TS]

01:06:33   bezel to turn the page [TS]

01:06:35   and instead you have to tap the page like it's an i Pad So that's one of the reasons why I thought who I'm going to get [TS]

01:06:42   this I'm a little bit doubtful because of this weird pressure thing like Why don't you just make it a button. [TS]

01:06:49   But I'm willing to give it a try and see how that works. That's talk Apple man. That's where it's at. [TS]

01:06:57   It's been a bit of Apollonius there's been a lot of Apple stuff going on. [TS]

01:07:03   What do you want to talk about so let's start with the new i Phones So we've got two new phones we got that we got the [TS]

01:07:11   the i Phone six and six Plus. Yes those are the two new ones from Apple and both bigger than the five. [TS]

01:07:19   They're both bigger than the five. [TS]

01:07:21   Again we are not a tech as we were this is not us professionally talking about stuff is is that we are people who use [TS]

01:07:29   Apple products and I guess are interested in what is coming out what the new things are probably more so than you [TS]

01:07:37   but well we don't think you're pretty interested you know. I'm pretty surrounded by Apple stuff. [TS]

01:07:43   So the interesting thing about these of course is that there's been speculation for a long time about Apple making [TS]

01:07:48   bigger phones and they finally are here [TS]

01:07:50   and there was expected that this would be quite popular the demand for these would be quite high. [TS]

01:07:57   And you saw it but this morning I. They happen for various boring paperwork tax reasons. [TS]

01:08:03   I happen to be around at The Regent Street Apple store here in London which is a huge Apple store [TS]

01:08:11   and according at least to some of the employees I've spoken to there it is either the most [TS]

01:08:17   or one of the most profitable Apple stores in the world which I can believe I mean it's it's right in the center of the [TS]

01:08:25   main shopping district but anyway I happen to be in the area and the line was incredibly long so I actually went [TS]

01:08:34   and filmed it from from start to finish [TS]

01:08:37   and it took me about I think the video is three minutes long to walk from the beginning to the end of the line which [TS]

01:08:43   doesn't sound too bad but there is this whole section where they thread the line through a park [TS]

01:08:48   and you can't even get into the park unless you have one of these little tickets from the Apple people there. [TS]

01:08:54   So the video makes the line look incredibly long [TS]

01:08:57   but it is easily twice as long as it looks because of the people packed into the big spiral line in the center of the [TS]

01:09:05   park so what did everyone think when you're walking past with a Go Pro in their face. [TS]

01:09:09   So no I was not the only person like these are media circuses news people everywhere and professional camera people. [TS]

01:09:17   You can't be on this line and not expect that you are part of a media event. Yeah. [TS]

01:09:23   So the six is big and the six plus is bigger again. So they've gone up a size and then gone up artist. [TS]

01:09:32   I can't remember the numbers four point seven and something I it's I can never remember the size of the screens [TS]

01:09:39   and the only thing you need to know is sort of like each is you know I don't know roughly an inch bigger than the one [TS]

01:09:44   before you have the old Apple phone which is the four and then you have the five [TS]

01:09:49   and the six in the six plus in each is kind of like an inch bigger on the diagonal. [TS]

01:09:54   But I can never remember the exact specifications. Has he gone and had a look at them or the Regent Street store. [TS]

01:09:59   There is this huge. [TS]

01:10:00   Line [TS]

01:10:00   but they handle it very well because they filter all the people into one side for the people who are buying the phone [TS]

01:10:07   but if you just want to go look the whole rest of the store is still available to you like normal. [TS]

01:10:12   So I have pre-ordered an i Phone [TS]

01:10:14   and because no one's seen the sizes before I had to guess about which side do I think is the size of them. [TS]

01:10:19   I'm going to want to use and I thought well I'm here. [TS]

01:10:22   The Apple stores open let me go inside and actually handle the physical phones [TS]

01:10:26   and see if my guess about what I would want was right. You'd already pre-ordered you committed. [TS]

01:10:30   Yeah you can cancel it hasn't shipped yet but I just want to see do I need to cancel my order [TS]

01:10:35   and change my mind maybe I'll be wildly convinced convinced otherwise. So I went in I took a look around. [TS]

01:10:42   It's interesting because I was a holding back a thought that I had until I saw the phones in person [TS]

01:10:49   but unfortunately this guess was correct which is that putting the size aside for a second. These i Phones. [TS]

01:11:00   Are the ugliest i Phones Apple has ever made. Really they are hideous looking in person. [TS]

01:11:08   I was reserving judgment until I saw them in person. [TS]

01:11:12   But all of the photos I saw online I thought these things look terrible. [TS]

01:11:17   Let me hold back until I see it though I know I'm going to reserve judgment. [TS]

01:11:21   But man [TS]

01:11:21   when I saw them in the store I thought nope this is just as ugly as I thought it was what it is it is it just because [TS]

01:11:28   of the dimensions I mean they haven't changed the look of them much [TS]

01:11:32   but you know if you've seen pictures of them right yet I can't remember why I just thought they were the same as the [TS]

01:11:37   other ones but just different dimensions. [TS]

01:11:40   OK you're in front of a computer [TS]

01:11:41   and if you go to Apple dot com a fuller picture of what they look like so you know we're talking about here [TS]

01:11:46   and I want to paint a word picture for you I'll put the link in the notes to to some images a man on his hunting [TS]

01:11:54   and taking him to get your Brady typing you know how do you pack. Yeah I think so I've got them. [TS]

01:12:00   Yes they look a bit different there actually did a bit more sort of roundy like yeah that different Europe they're [TS]

01:12:07   different. [TS]

01:12:07   OK So the first i Phone I ever owned the i Phone four which in my mind is still the iconic most beautifully designed i [TS]

01:12:18   Phone that they've ever made. I really like that one. [TS]

01:12:21   It was it was smaller it had the glass front on the glass back which were shattered tast it but looked great. [TS]

01:12:27   Yeah but it's like I kept mine in a case the whole time [TS]

01:12:31   and I define member around London seeing lots of people who had this gorgeous spiderweb pattern across to the back of [TS]

01:12:38   their phone because they dropped it so I know that needed to change [TS]

01:12:41   but just from a purely aesthetic point I thought that was the best looking one. [TS]

01:12:45   Yeah and then the i Phone five was a refinement of that not my favorite but I still felt look quite good. [TS]

01:12:51   The my problems with with the six. I think the curved edge looks terrible. [TS]

01:12:56   Yeah I bet we'll get used to that and so I spent you know they look they look like you know like a Samsung phone [TS]

01:13:03   or something to me in that direction. Now my reaction seeing it in person was it just looks cheap. [TS]

01:13:11   Something about that round edge I think just makes it look kind of junky I don't know a better way to describe it you [TS]

01:13:19   know I'm not an A not familiar enough with them for some phones to say it looks like a Samsung phone. [TS]

01:13:24   I just think the around it looks terrible I always like the really sharp edges of the four. [TS]

01:13:30   Much better than the rounded edges of the three. And so I'm also making it more like a toilet making childproof. [TS]

01:13:37   Yeah [TS]

01:13:38   and they are holding it in your hand it does have that same kind of feeling like Oh you don't think I'm grown up enough [TS]

01:13:44   for this sham furred adage you know you have to round out the edges so that I don't hurt myself with my brand new phone [TS]

01:13:51   and something about it being rounded [TS]

01:13:54   and bigger I don't know it's just makes the phone look dumber in this way that is hard. Too hard to specify. [TS]

01:14:01   Yeah I agree with you [TS]

01:14:03   and I think it looks even dumber on the bigger one like it looks it looks not great on gets like a child's toy it like [TS]

01:14:12   I have not seen in person of course so I'm just I'm just going on pictures. [TS]

01:14:15   Yeah thinking this is a topical show we're recording this on the afternoon of the first day that they have ever been [TS]

01:14:21   available so it's and I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't happen to be in the area so the second thing was [TS]

01:14:27   when I touched it the minute I know what it is [TS]

01:14:29   but they do something about the back material also feels worse I mean it's supposed to still be aluminum just like the [TS]

01:14:35   regular phones are but it feels more plasticky and I know they're always messing around with the materials [TS]

01:14:43   and I get from yeah. [TS]

01:14:45   That's again the word alloys you know like always mixing it with different material to get different properties. [TS]

01:14:51   But something about the back of it just felt terrible [TS]

01:14:54   when I touched it I could immediately feel oh the specific heat capacity of whatever alloy they have chosen is [TS]

01:14:59   different which basically means that when I when I would pick up the i Phone four [TS]

01:15:05   or the i Phone five it's cold to the touch. Yeah feels like metal. [TS]

01:15:10   And if if you are you know if you're around if you're in a castle made of stone you touch the wall the walls are cold [TS]

01:15:15   but if you are in a modern house where the walls are made of basically plastic [TS]

01:15:20   or you know Styrofoam board you touch the walls and they are kind of room temperature and I was aware of that [TS]

01:15:25   when I touch the phone is the same thing as oh it's not cold when I touch it. [TS]

01:15:30   It's kind of not exactly warm but it's way closer to room temperature. OK. [TS]

01:15:35   This combined with around corners makes it feel even cheaper [TS]

01:15:40   but I think the thing that to me drags it from not great design into what I would say is fugly territory is the antenna [TS]

01:15:52   bands around the top and the bottom line here and say them. [TS]

01:15:57   I was looking at them on the picture and it was the same thing I thought. [TS]

01:16:00   I'm going to wait until I see this in person and [TS]

01:16:02   when I saw it in person it was worse than I would have ever imagined it is so hideous to look at [TS]

01:16:09   and think I could not believe. [TS]

01:16:11   Actually handling the phone is everyone was complaining that the camera lens is separate is a little bit elevated from [TS]

01:16:17   the back it's not flush like it has been visited by something oh yeah. [TS]

01:16:23   Cena Yeah the camera lens sticks out a couple millimeters. [TS]

01:16:25   Honestly there's no big deal at all but that is the one thing on the phone where everybody was worried about that [TS]

01:16:30   and I look at that thing. Doesn't matter at all this is I make a final picture saying I'm looking for more pictures. [TS]

01:16:35   Yeah Apple tries to hide that bulge on their their promo page [TS]

01:16:39   when they're out there which I think is not entirely an honest way to represent it [TS]

01:16:43   but the camera bold if you are listening to this punk ass [TS]

01:16:46   and you're worried about the camera bulbs don't worry about it all it is very slight in person [TS]

01:16:51   and doesn't matter at all as I thought it was going to be ugly. [TS]

01:16:53   Doesn't make a difference the thing that I could not believe is that those antenna spaces of the lines on the top [TS]

01:17:01   and bottom. [TS]

01:17:03   If you run your finger over it you can clearly feel the seam between the back and that antenna space [TS]

01:17:10   and it is slightly elevated from the rest of the back and it is clearly plastic. [TS]

01:17:17   So already the back feels cheaper with and and then you run your finger across the top of it [TS]

01:17:22   and you can very clearly feel those antenna bands as distinct from the rest of the phone. [TS]

01:17:28   And so I thought Man Apple thumbs down on the hardware design of this phone like I never never thought I'd have to say [TS]

01:17:35   that I like. [TS]

01:17:37   Now I just I think they are they are hideous hideous i Phones I mean their physical look so I was pretty disappointed [TS]

01:17:46   in that. I mean I use Apple stuff all the time but this is I think this design look is not good not good at all. [TS]

01:17:53   Did you. What should you do or did you change your order. [TS]

01:18:00   Do you have a guess about which one I ordered I think I know I was just doing it for the fans. [TS]

01:18:06   Or do you think can you order the six. Yes I did order the six over the salt the smaller one. [TS]

01:18:12   And are you glad you did not how do you feel having seen them by now. [TS]

01:18:16   My guess was that six plus would be way too big for me and that was just confirmed in the store. [TS]

01:18:24   Handling the six is just comically large and you know I'm not a short person [TS]

01:18:29   but my my thumb was inadequate for this phone [TS]

01:18:33   and their little trick of double tapping the home button to make the icon slide down so you can reach them all. [TS]

01:18:39   I don't need to add two extra taps to every step for everything that I want to do so that was my prediction I use my [TS]

01:18:45   phone one handed a lot so there was just a complete deal breaker. [TS]

01:18:50   Oh the bigger i Phone does have a lot of cool features like it it does rotate sideways in a way that the regular one [TS]

01:18:56   doesn't like those things that are attractive about the big one [TS]

01:18:59   but its size is just a total deal breaker for me so I went with the six as the one that I have ordered [TS]

01:19:05   and I did at the time order a case for it. [TS]

01:19:10   And I'm glad that I did because I feel like all of my previous i Phones I have reluctantly used a case [TS]

01:19:17   and I've always thought out his i Phone is too beautiful to be in this case [TS]

01:19:20   but I'm still going to use it for various reasons [TS]

01:19:23   and the i Phone six I feel like this thing is too hideous to not cover up with a case I have an i Phone five [TS]

01:19:34   and I'm feeling like I'm a veggie for any sign. We think less of me if I go for a five S. [TS]

01:19:40   but Would that be stupid I know it's sick I know it's not a good performance but I just want to unlock has more fun [TS]

01:19:47   and I like this this sort of the intrusiveness of a small phone in my pocket [TS]

01:19:51   and so I would not think less of you at all and so I am I'm getting the six partly because my wife has a great design. [TS]

01:20:00   Things on my five S she she gets she gets the old phone [TS]

01:20:05   and so says she's she for a long time has looked with it with envy on the fingerprint scanner the Touch ID five S. Has. [TS]

01:20:14   Yeah I really want that [TS]

01:20:16   and so I am getting a new phone because she is getting a new phone so this is why I am getting the six you could get a [TS]

01:20:23   five S. Of course and you could expect the five S's. [TS]

01:20:26   OK Let me let me work towards the fact that I have [TS]

01:20:29   but the thing is ever since I got the five I have actually never really liked the size of the five as it is always [TS]

01:20:38   thought it was a little bit awkward because it Kato. [TS]

01:20:40   That's exactly it is it is bigger but it was only bigger in one dimension it was just taller [TS]

01:20:46   and for some things that's great but for lots of things I just found it awkward [TS]

01:20:50   and it was a weird in-between device for me and so. [TS]

01:20:55   I am hoping that I mean like why am I buying the six if I think it is so hideous why don't I just buy my wife a five S.. [TS]

01:21:03   I am hoping that I find the slightly bigger size more convenience for a bunch of stuff that I do. T.J. [TS]

01:21:11   You talk about work things here work things that I do so very often I find myself out [TS]

01:21:15   and about in the city I always have my phone on me and sometimes I do want to do some work on the phone [TS]

01:21:21   and there's lots of stuff that I can do I mean this is a whole other topic [TS]

01:21:24   but I.O.'s is basically my primary computing life. [TS]

01:21:29   I do most of my work on my i Pad [TS]

01:21:31   but that also means a ton of that stuff I can do on my i Phones So there is much for me to do. [TS]

01:21:37   But if Apple and I know they won't [TS]

01:21:41   but if Apple has had in addition released a new phone that was the same size as the old i Phone four I would have [TS]

01:21:52   bought that because I would prefer a smaller phone and so I feel like I'm in a I'm in a weird. [TS]

01:22:00   Space where like the i Phone five is just big enough to be a little bit weird [TS]

01:22:04   but not big enough to feel like I can be really productive on it so that's why I am interested in trying the slightly [TS]

01:22:12   larger size [TS]

01:22:13   but I would totally go back to the i Phone four size phone if that was an option I wouldn't even hesitate about that if [TS]

01:22:20   they came out with a new one in that in that size. [TS]

01:22:22   So I wouldn't think any less of Hugh if you went and bought the five S. [TS]

01:22:28   You know if you felt like the phone need to be updated [TS]

01:22:30   or you want to touch ID which I do have to say is a feature that really changes how you interact with the phone [TS]

01:22:36   and then the much much more convenient to use and a lot of ways so I don't think that is crazy or unreasonable. [TS]

01:22:44   OK Is that what you're going to do are you going to get a five S I think after I mean I'll go have a look in the shop. [TS]

01:22:51   I just like a small and sleek you know I like you know I want to be like a lightsaber. [TS]

01:22:56   I don't want to be like a huge big you know lightsabers weren't small [TS]

01:23:01   and sleek really well just like not so that's not slick I mean I you know I think there are signs yes there are you [TS]

01:23:08   comparing it to a sword I guess it's small and sleek compared to a non collapsible sword is that the comparison. [TS]

01:23:15   Yeah I think if let's say there's a lack sleek things they're cool they're very cool [TS]

01:23:21   but if you actually look at a lightsaber close up they're kind of control he does you start telling me to look a lot so [TS]

01:23:26   I have a close up let me tell you. [TS]

01:23:30   We'll take a look at the wander into the great story of you angry like last time with the monkeys. [TS]

01:23:36   OK was I when I [TS]

01:23:39   when I got my first job is like a newspaper cadet there was comic book stories to go to all the time they have of [TS]

01:23:44   course Star Wars memorabilia and stuff like that [TS]

01:23:49   and there was some guy in Adelaide he used to naive to make replicas a lot saber handles he will [TS]

01:23:55   and he made a huge metal weighty replica of Luke's. [TS]

01:24:00   Because Return Of The Jedi light saber that the remade went first and I used to look at it and discovered it. [TS]

01:24:07   Something terribly and I went home and told my dad you know I love it I love it so much [TS]

01:24:13   and he didn't want to get on it but because like a hundred bucks or two hundred bucks [TS]

01:24:16   or something which is like you know I know an incredible amount of money now [TS]

01:24:22   but also what an incredible amount of money then considering I now had like a full time proper job [TS]

01:24:27   but I didn't I still hadn't psychologically realized that I had a full time proper job I hadn't realized I had money in [TS]

01:24:34   it. [TS]

01:24:35   Yeah yeah [TS]

01:24:36   and so it was the first time I spent like a couple of hundred dollars on something just like to indulge myself [TS]

01:24:42   and I went and I pour water and I feel guilty by not like I feel like everyone in the world was watching me [TS]

01:24:48   and I was going to sling money and it was this terrible thing [TS]

01:24:51   but then I came home with it getting a bus home from town with a lot saber in your pockets if anything to do with it. [TS]

01:24:57   But anyway so I'm very aware of sort of the weight and size of a lot so because this was an exact exact replica [TS]

01:25:02   but gosh I'd love to I still have it. I still have it somewhere and I didn't even need to ask if you still have it. [TS]

01:25:09   How could the fight is have it here in England I think if I do I will send you a picture of me with it. [TS]

01:25:16   Oh please do please do. [TS]

01:25:17   If I can find that song so I'm well aware of the dimensions of our lives and I'm sorry for for that. [TS]

01:25:24   Suggesting otherwise. But I don't like and I find out nothing like a lot. [TS]

01:25:32   Somehow reminds me of it's a kind of cool sleek thing in my pocket where is these the six looks like a big black Fisher [TS]

01:25:38   Price toy. [TS]

01:25:40   OK It just seems the shape of it [TS]

01:25:42   and the feel of it doesn't quite seem right to me I wish I could be more articulate about this [TS]

01:25:47   but you know I just keep coming back to the word dumb like the phone the phone. [TS]

01:25:54   Look I don't mean that the design is done but it looks like the phone is somehow stupider. It's that I've done. [TS]

01:26:00   It's just I don't know what is this is the rounded corners is that hideous antenna is the material it's everything [TS]

01:26:06   about it is is just awful. [TS]

01:26:08   So I now I now will be on a quest to find the perfect case for this thing [TS]

01:26:14   but in the meantime I'll be covering it up in the application some kind of ashamed of us. [TS]

01:26:20   But I do feel like obviously I listen to some of these podcasts that E.J. [TS]

01:26:24   Like accidental Tech podcast and John Greaves podcast [TS]

01:26:28   and I often marvel at their ability to talk about like the button on the side of an i Phone for like two hours. [TS]

01:26:35   Yeah and I sometimes laugh at the end of it I can't believe I was going to spend all that time talking about it. [TS]

01:26:40   I now realize how that happens because we're doing the exact [TS]

01:26:44   when we are barely we're barely scratching the surface of the artist. [TS]

01:26:49   We are just total average dudes talking about what you think about the new i Phone whereas you go back in the in the [TS]

01:26:55   archives of their work [TS]

01:26:56   and you can listen to the great mute switch debate of twenty twelve which is spread across four [TS]

01:27:03   or five episodes on many different shows about let's discuss the true nature of the mute switch that is pro level Apple [TS]

01:27:13   analysis we will never reach that kind of look at today and compare it to a light saber. Probably not. [TS]

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01:29:04   We did catch up here in the wake. I happen to be in London and we went to dinner which was lovely. [TS]

01:29:09   Yes and I asked you what you thought of the we didn't talk i Phones or no [TS]

01:29:15   but I did ask you what you thought of the new Apple Watch and you refused to talk about it with me. [TS]

01:29:22   No that is that is not it is not a correct Rovers [TS]

01:29:25   and you didn't you didn't like well like I said What do you think of Apple what you told me what happened I said we [TS]

01:29:35   should probably talk about that on the show [TS]

01:29:37   and then immediately what proceeded to happen was you talk to my wife about the phone for the whole time [TS]

01:29:44   and never asked me another question about it again. So that's what happened. [TS]

01:29:49   Well I thought you made your position pretty clear. I felt ignored at the dinner. [TS]

01:29:55   That's what it was you know you never never came back and everything just now was. [TS]

01:30:00   No push Well I told you all the time you're once more interesting. Fair enough. [TS]

01:30:06   Now you have my undivided attention [TS]

01:30:08   and honestly honestly I'm dying to know what are you really being sarcastic now because you know talking about Apple [TS]

01:30:15   for like an hour and I don't know. [TS]

01:30:17   I seriously this is the best for last because I'm really really curious about what you think about the Apple Watch [TS]

01:30:24   and I have no idea about your position yet. Did you watch the announcement. [TS]

01:30:29   Yes I did I did watch the announcement live which I try to do I don't always catch it alive but if I can I'm happy to. [TS]

01:30:39   It's interesting to see what's going on Apple make some kind of fun events [TS]

01:30:44   and since I've been following it for years I know the cast of characters who come up on stage. [TS]

01:30:48   So if I can watch it live I always well so it was interesting. [TS]

01:30:54   It was interesting to see we tweeting though I have a car. [TS]

01:30:57   I didn't say you know usually I have a lot of choice when an Apple event happened. [TS]

01:31:02   Well this is part of my as I mentioned last last episode part of my failed project to stay off of Twitter [TS]

01:31:09   and the Internet. You learn that noticeably less definitely on less. [TS]

01:31:14   But like I said the Twitter habit is hard to break [TS]

01:31:17   and I would say I was determined to get through the Apple keynotes without tweeting and without looking at Twitter. [TS]

01:31:26   I thought no no you know what I'm going to do this this is part of my resolution I'm going to stick to it. [TS]

01:31:32   But then of course if anyone who watch slides already knows what happens which is that during the first thirty minutes [TS]

01:31:37   of their presentation they were Apple with having horrific technical problems. The stream kept dropping out. [TS]

01:31:43   Harry is Lee It was dubbed in Mandarin for a good long time and I don't know what was going on there [TS]

01:31:50   but it was it was awful. [TS]

01:31:53   But of course then I'm thinking well I'm having a hard time watching this live but I want to know it. [TS]

01:32:00   Going on and I follow people on Twitter who are almost certainly in the room in California where this is happening [TS]

01:32:06   or I can maybe I should. [TS]

01:32:07   And then of course this is like a drug addict maybe I'll just take one hit of heroin only just open [TS]

01:32:13   and then it was just over. [TS]

01:32:15   But I was I was restraining myself I was trying not to comment on everything like I normally do [TS]

01:32:20   but I was still I was still on there. [TS]

01:32:22   OK so some point in the presentation they unveiled the wearable we'd all been waiting for. Yes that's right. [TS]

01:32:29   But the apple watch not to the i Watch yet have you know watch which is going to be hard to say I will I will try what [TS]

01:32:35   was what was your immediate impression before we get into the nuts and bolts of the day for analysis. [TS]

01:32:40   OK so my very first thought was I was honestly disappointed it was a watch [TS]

01:32:46   and this is partly because of the eight I don't know if I'll be able to find it for the show notes [TS]

01:32:50   but there was a Tim Cook interview at All Things D. [TS]

01:32:55   I think maybe a year ago or so where they were talking about wearable technology and. [TS]

01:33:01   Jim Cook clearly refused to talk about watches in particular [TS]

01:33:06   and instead was talking about sensor technology in general. [TS]

01:33:10   He was and is that there's a lot of things that are going on in the world of sensors and this is entirely true. [TS]

01:33:16   If you follow technology there's a bunch of stuff that's happening right now with making sense there is much more [TS]

01:33:22   ubiquitous and much more cheap and this is why there's this big push about recording Health Statistics [TS]

01:33:27   and recording all kinds of stuff because it's getting really cheap to put sensors everywhere [TS]

01:33:32   and so I was kind of hoping that Apple would have a different something different then a watch kind of based on his [TS]

01:33:39   reaction or his description of things in that particular interview. [TS]

01:33:44   The [TS]

01:33:44   when it was revealed of the watch my initial reaction was oh I was kind of hoping I don't know what they would have [TS]

01:33:49   but some sort of in a band with a bunch of sensors built in or you know who knows what they're going to do. [TS]

01:33:55   Yeah so that was my initial reaction was I was a bit like. An original. [TS]

01:34:02   I wouldn't say that [TS]

01:34:03   but if you're asking for my initial thought it was a little bit of disappointment because I was thinking maybe it's [TS]

01:34:09   something I haven't thought of and then it's a watch. But that was that was very fleeting. [TS]

01:34:13   I was that was just my initial reaction [TS]

01:34:16   and then it's like OK well Apple now show me show me in your apple the way this thing that you have made. [TS]

01:34:20   Did you watch it live or did I did not watch it live and in the video. [TS]

01:34:25   I haven't I haven't even watched the video I have not watched the video. [TS]

01:34:28   I'm not saying any moving imagery of this watch at all at the scene of these pictures of the what do you I don't know I [TS]

01:34:33   had pictures of it. [TS]

01:34:35   I have looked at pictures of and I looked on the Apple site and so are all the different colors and different bands [TS]

01:34:39   and things like that. OK So that's my level of do you have any reaction to watch it. [TS]

01:34:47   I'm completely underwhelmed and really underwhelmed and I've not seen it in real life and I've not seen on a hand. [TS]

01:34:54   Yeah I don't think anybody seen it in real or the people who were there have seen a real man it's not [TS]

01:34:58   and it's not in the stores I've also because I haven't watched the video I've not yet seen on a hand. [TS]

01:35:02   I imagine it looks a bit boxy and that's not what I think watchers should look like [TS]

01:35:07   and I although I don't wear a watch face to face I have a great interest and love of watches [TS]

01:35:13   and this is not something I would imagine enjoying seeing on my hand. [TS]

01:35:20   So you look at you look at the poppy design and you think that's not something that you would wear. [TS]

01:35:24   Yes I am because I am intrigued by the digital crown. [TS]

01:35:30   I think that was and from what I can tell that looks like a nice touch and there are still a bit of innovation [TS]

01:35:38   but I am not a fan yet but I am also very very ill informed and open minded. [TS]

01:35:50   Also as you know there is there is a particular watch that I do want that I've been coveting for ten fifteen years now. [TS]

01:35:59   Whenever I think what. That's all I can think about and nothing else compares. [TS]

01:36:02   Go on tell us what it is you know you want to. [TS]

01:36:05   I I don't think I type I don't think I ever go to an airport without drooling over the Amiga Speedmaster professional. [TS]

01:36:17   There are various kinds of [TS]

01:36:18   and I'm a very particular kind I like because not only is it just a very nice looking watch it is also the watch that [TS]

01:36:25   was worn by the Apollo astronauts when they walked on the moon [TS]

01:36:30   and we've never really talked about it much on the podcast I don't think and I'm sure we will sometime in the future. [TS]

01:36:34   At length if I could persuade you but I am very very passionate about the Apollo program [TS]

01:36:42   and the moon landings I just my greatest interest in the hobby [TS]

01:36:46   and I'm a great collector of things Apollo related so I've always really fancied having one of those watches [TS]

01:36:54   but they're very expensive and we also touched on the fact I don't take very good care of things right [TS]

01:37:00   and I have not been able to take that leap that that was a small step for man [TS]

01:37:06   but giant leap for Brady to buy one of them yet. So if I'm going to spend a large quantity of money on a watch. [TS]

01:37:16   It will be one of those eventually [TS]

01:37:18   and I will do it in fact if anything the best thing about the release of the Apple Watch is really motivated me to [TS]

01:37:25   perhaps buy one of those watches and I've been spending a lot of time online looking at them the last few days. [TS]

01:37:30   Much more time than I have been looking at the Apple Watch but I still look at the price [TS]

01:37:36   and think that's had to just because I was I really like what Casio calculator watches and things like that. [TS]

01:37:42   Yeah that the thing is I mean there is typically are these watches there in the what the the two thousand to three [TS]

01:37:49   thousand four thousand pound range that's kind we're talking this is a major media watch yes yes. [TS]

01:37:55   Which is no doubt about it. Very expensive yes. Watch as we may come back to later. [TS]

01:38:03   I only want to mention the price because [TS]

01:38:04   when you say very expensive people can think Rolex is thirty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars for a large I mean [TS]

01:38:14   I spend so much and I spend I spend more on hard drives than I do than I could on that watch [TS]

01:38:20   and I could wear the watch every day and get great pleasure from it as opposed to my hard drives crash [TS]

01:38:25   and there is nothing but misery. Yeah. Spend more money. Yeah another reason I should get it. [TS]

01:38:31   I will I will eventually get it. [TS]

01:38:34   But anyway that's not we're not here to talk about I make a spade must've been anyone from a nigger is listening [TS]

01:38:39   and they want to get some. They want to do an ad on the show. Cash would not be required. [TS]

01:38:46   I regret we were both I think money from this thing they do need to pay. [TS]

01:38:51   You can't just have Brady's Omega Speedmaster corner. [TS]

01:38:56   I mean what if they said to me well I already have a watch and I do have a very nice watch. [TS]

01:39:01   I mean you can get in touch for a sponsorship [TS]

01:39:04   and Brady will give you the best sponsorship you've ever heard of your life. [TS]

01:39:07   I think that probably would have had about three I think you could you could talk about it forever. [TS]

01:39:13   Let's talk about your opinion on the air. [TS]

01:39:15   When we left it with your first impression being slightly underwhelmed by only fleetingly [TS]

01:39:20   and then giving them a chance to make their case yeah OK you know I've been next so here as we've just touched upon the [TS]

01:39:27   Apple Watch. I'm very interested in the Apple Watch but they have a very difficult case to sell this to me. [TS]

01:39:37   And step one is as we just mentioned I already wear a watch so right out of the gate Apple is not competing for unused [TS]

01:39:47   space on my wrist. Apple is competing to replace a thing that already exists on my wrist. [TS]

01:39:54   So like we have a technical We have a higher activation energy to get over. [TS]

01:40:00   For this process to start yet so I was watching the whole presentation kind of with that in mind. [TS]

01:40:07   Is Apple going to be able to convince me to swap my current watch for the Apple Watch. [TS]

01:40:14   So either as I'm watching it Apple has to be clear they have a very early announce this you know that they have said it [TS]

01:40:21   is available for sale early twenty fifteen which knowing Apple they'll push back until summer twenty fifteen [TS]

01:40:29   and say oh we meant the first half of the summer you know. [TS]

01:40:33   So it can be quite a long time before the fact this thing actually comes out which resulted in some parts of the [TS]

01:40:39   presentation being a bit vague. Yes And so one of the key ones which is I couldn't resist from mentioning on Twitter. [TS]

01:40:48   Well Apple the longer you don't tell me about the battery life of the shorter I'm going to assume this battery life is [TS]

01:40:56   and I may that is kind of a joke but then I was pretty surprised [TS]

01:41:00   when they ended they finished talking about the watch and they never mention the battery life once. Yeah. [TS]

01:41:06   Does this last forty five minutes how long does how long does this watch do I have to just have a plug in all the time [TS]

01:41:12   this is not a good sign. [TS]

01:41:13   Is it possible they don't know yet is it possible they're trying to invent some new battery in the next six months. [TS]

01:41:18   Yeah I mean this is one of the things I foresee [TS]

01:41:20   when we're recording this that we mentioned before that the usual Apple pod cast crew you know grouper and A.T.P. [TS]

01:41:27   I don't I haven't listened to any of their shows that are out so this might be the section on the watch might be [TS]

01:41:33   horrifically uninformed because I don't know [TS]

01:41:35   but if they found out any of the details I have listened to eighty page first one on the watch. [TS]

01:41:40   Nothing about actually came out and I'm going to have a listen to their latest. [TS]

01:41:43   Yeah I think it just came out with one this morning. [TS]

01:41:45   So there may be more details now but I know I don't know [TS]

01:41:49   and my guess is it is very possible given how early they are announcing this that Apple doesn't actually have a [TS]

01:41:54   realistic X. Doesn't have a realistic idea of what the battery life actually will. [TS]

01:42:00   Yeah [TS]

01:42:01   but they hinted very strongly in the presentation that it will need to be they will need to be charged every night [TS]

01:42:08   and they have their very nicely designed charger for it. [TS]

01:42:10   But this is this is strike one because I have already have so many devices that I need to charge every night [TS]

01:42:19   and I have many checklists [TS]

01:42:21   and on my checklist is a couple of things I want to make sure are plugged in at night so that when I [TS]

01:42:27   when I start the next day everything is fresh and going you know I'm starting to even fall out of love with politics. [TS]

01:42:35   Yes this is what we talked about as the frustration and that thing is maybe you know once a week or you know [TS]

01:42:41   but I mean devices that I have to charge every night [TS]

01:42:43   and what I need to make sure our charging is one obviously the phone here too. [TS]

01:42:50   I use my i Pad as my primary computer [TS]

01:42:53   and so I have to make sure that my i Pad is charged in because often I just grab it in the morning and then I go out [TS]

01:42:58   and I'm working wherever in the day and maybe I have access to electric socket maybe I don't. [TS]

01:43:03   So I need to make sure that that thing is charged [TS]

01:43:05   and then secondly I have this pair of bluetooth headphones that I adore that I totally love the Jaybird X bluetooth [TS]

01:43:15   headphones they are amazing they're the best bluetooth headphones I've ever used. Jaybird feel free to get in touch. [TS]

01:43:23   If you can keep track and everyone but but but they have to be charged every night. Yeah. [TS]

01:43:31   So there are three things that at minimum have to be charged every night [TS]

01:43:35   and then in addition to that I have my Fitbit and my Kindle which need to be basically charged on a weekly basis [TS]

01:43:42   and I have a reminder for that as well as like this is getting to be a bunch of things. And as dumb as it sounds. [TS]

01:43:48   Adding one more. [TS]

01:43:51   It's like the difficulty of this is exponential it doesn't seem like adding one more is a pain [TS]

01:43:56   but it's much more trouble than you would expect because there's also the cable. [TS]

01:44:00   Management So this is one more cable that I'd have to pack with it [TS]

01:44:04   and I was traveling so I already have three hundred able to totally agree with the Fitbit cable I have a lightning [TS]

01:44:10   cable and then I have a micro U.S.B. [TS]

01:44:12   and I'll tell you I keep getting terrified that one of my devices is going to be out of sync with that micro U.S.B. [TS]

01:44:18   Kindle Voyager I'm looking at you right I was trying to find on the web page. They said oh it charges by U.S.B. [TS]

01:44:24   Yes white U.S.B. Kindle I don't want to end up having to have two U.S.B. [TS]

01:44:29   Cable so this is this is immediately a kind of strike against the watchers like you are going to be a hassle with this [TS]

01:44:37   with this Contin I counter so battery power electricity issue I'm right [TS]

01:44:43   but the thing the thing with technology is the real question is what benefit does it provide. [TS]

01:44:49   Because I'm willing to charge it charge up all the things that I currently have because the benefit they provide me [TS]

01:44:54   outweighs the hassle of the charging I get says it like this is how the universe works [TS]

01:44:58   and so now as a sale I don't know if that's one of the fundamental laws of the I believe you have the four fundamental [TS]

01:45:06   forces. [TS]

01:45:07   OK And then after that there is technology growth is exponential [TS]

01:45:12   and then immediately after that it is the benefit a device provides you is greater than the hassle of charging it. [TS]

01:45:21   It's governed by greater confidence that's fixed so that this another watch trying to sell me on its utility yet so I'm [TS]

01:45:28   watching this presentation with this in mind. [TS]

01:45:31   Now another strike against the watch for me in particular is I'm looking at I think OK what does it do. [TS]

01:45:37   And at least as they present it right now it does some interesting fitness tracking stuff which is great [TS]

01:45:45   but I already use my Fitbit for that [TS]

01:45:47   and my Fitbit is going to outcompete the watch because my Fitbit also does silent alarms which I use in the morning to [TS]

01:45:56   sometimes wake up without disturbing my wife so I can cook. That's my pajamas and wake up. [TS]

01:46:02   And well the watch can't do that because the watch is going to have to be charging overnight. [TS]

01:46:06   Hello you haven't won on fitness tracking here [TS]

01:46:10   and then the rest of a large portion of the thing that the watch can do I would say are related to communication [TS]

01:46:19   and notifications. [TS]

01:46:20   Yeah so the watch has to be connected to your phone for most things [TS]

01:46:26   and it will display notifications from your phone on the watch face [TS]

01:46:30   when I give you the hassle of taking your embarrassing ugly I fancy. [TS]

01:46:34   I would've thought that was a big deal until I saw how hideous the i Phone six was and maybe that's Apple's plan right. [TS]

01:46:41   We're going to make this i Phone so ugly everybody wants an i Watch or an apple watch. [TS]

01:46:46   Did you hide it doesn't have to see the light of day [TS]

01:46:50   and it's some kind of cave troll in your pocket that is doing all this grunt work [TS]

01:46:55   and the beautiful I watch can actually if you're going to have a face of your communication that we that we are. [TS]

01:47:03   So as you have been frustrated with sometimes the number of notifications I receive on my phone to begin with is almost [TS]

01:47:10   zero. I actually look through my phone the other day. [TS]

01:47:13   That's kind of curious to see how many things have I actually allowed access to notification. [TS]

01:47:18   And it is basically three or four apps at most. [TS]

01:47:22   Yeah messages can make my phone beep Omni Focus can make my phone beep if the navigation is on that can make my phone [TS]

01:47:30   beep which I almost never use. [TS]

01:47:32   And that has to be easily easily be ninety five percent of the notifications I ever receive on my phone. [TS]

01:47:39   To top it off to make it worse I use the Do Not Disturb feature to even disallow those notifications every day starting [TS]

01:47:48   at nine pm at night and continuing to one P.M. [TS]

01:47:52   The following day so there's only even an eight hour window in which my phone can theoretically beep to begin with. [TS]

01:48:00   Why so. [TS]

01:48:01   Notifications for me with this watch also is not like I am not sold on this because it is not something that I use to [TS]

01:48:09   know if I have a phone or a vein to get stuck on a ledge. [TS]

01:48:12   You're the last person I'm going to call for help I should you should know by now that I am not the person to call if [TS]

01:48:17   you need help with things. I will help you but it has to be asynchronous and cannot be immediate. [TS]

01:48:23   You're my thinkin if here OK. [TS]

01:48:26   That's exactly right that's exactly what you let me know a month in advance about something I might possibly be there [TS]

01:48:31   if you need something at seven thirty in the morning you better be calling somebody else [TS]

01:48:37   or have access to your bit so the world is all about notifications [TS]

01:48:46   and you feel like you don't need a whole lot of notifying Basically I have almost no use for notifications as it is so [TS]

01:48:52   the watch doesn't sell me on that future either. [TS]

01:48:54   Now I don't think it is fair to say that the watch is all about notifications because again Apple is a little bit [TS]

01:48:59   and clear and exactly what the capabilities are again because maybe they don't know precisely themselves [TS]

01:49:06   but there were definitely some cool things with regards to ways to communicate with other people who have Apple watches. [TS]

01:49:14   There's a way to tap the screen of the Apple Watch to make somebody else's Apple Watch vibrate very slightly. [TS]

01:49:19   And I thought oh this is an interesting and different form of communication. [TS]

01:49:25   And one thing that I did think was very cool was doing walking navigations with a watch. [TS]

01:49:32   So if you set a destination you know I want to walk from here to the royal Royal Albert Hall the watch will do that [TS]

01:49:39   navigation. But by using a vibration feedback on your wrist so you don't need to look at it. [TS]

01:49:45   I don't know exactly what the mechanism is but they said it's different vibrations for whether [TS]

01:49:49   or not you're supposed to turn left or right or go straight at an intersection and I thought that is great [TS]

01:49:55   and that is a feature that I can totally see using because sometimes when my wife and I are walking around play. [TS]

01:50:00   If we were in New York. [TS]

01:50:01   I do want to keep track and make sure that we're going towards a particular place [TS]

01:50:06   but I don't want to have my headphones in for the Bluetooth navigation you know while we're just relaxing [TS]

01:50:12   or something [TS]

01:50:13   and so I thought hey I can easily see on a vacation doing something like setting the walking directions to the hotel [TS]

01:50:22   and then I would just always have a sense of am I walking towards [TS]

01:50:25   or away from the hotel kind of ambient awareness of where is the hotel in relation to me. [TS]

01:50:32   I'm not totally sounds a bit weird to me [TS]

01:50:34   but still if my watch vibrated to tell me to turn left I'd still want a visual map. [TS]

01:50:40   But for reassurance I'm not sure I'm going to just find that out. Now they're well not too new for me. [TS]

01:50:47   I'm just I'm just trying to like run through as an action is presentational what might I possibly do [TS]

01:50:53   and that was one thing that jumped in mind immediately and then I could use walking directions to either my wife [TS]

01:50:59   and I are going someplace and I want to make sure that we're headed in the right direction [TS]

01:51:02   and we're just walking around we're not in the car [TS]

01:51:05   or this kind of I want to pin a location to be ambient Lea aware of [TS]

01:51:10   when I'm just exploring the kinds of things I was thinking of [TS]

01:51:14   but that is that's not a feature that that that sells me on this. [TS]

01:51:18   So I think it's coming pretty clear to the conclusion that the Apple Watch does not in that presentation have anything [TS]

01:51:26   that would make me think oh I have to go out [TS]

01:51:28   and buy this I can't think what it looks like he sort of hinted at a thing that presentable face of the i Phone [TS]

01:51:34   but I think it suffers from that same rounded childlike goofiness that the i Phone six is suffering from. [TS]

01:51:43   I don't I don't actually like her looks that much I think it is. [TS]

01:51:48   It reaches the heights of OK I think it looks OK It doesn't look great it doesn't look awful. [TS]

01:52:00   Looks like a sleek smart watch [TS]

01:52:03   but it's sickness still gives it away as you are wearing a tiny computer on your wrist and you are a nerd. [TS]

01:52:13   I own they have a lot of the different bands which do look like they put a lot of time in there and they're great [TS]

01:52:20   and they do have different faces that you know that you have the gold watches which I want to get back to as often so I [TS]

01:52:26   think I think they have done their best with the current level of technology. [TS]

01:52:31   But it doesn't it doesn't strike me as looking really great. [TS]

01:52:37   I can't remember which one it is I mean it hasn't gotten great reviews [TS]

01:52:40   but maybe it's Motorola I think the Motorola three sixty Yeah that's a slightly better looking watch that Moto three [TS]

01:52:47   sixty six fat I think it's still fat but I think circular makes it look much nicer. [TS]

01:52:54   I mean I've never like square watches just to begin with. [TS]

01:52:56   Yeah I've always preferred circular watches [TS]

01:52:58   and people make fun of the Moto three sixty because there's a little bit of blackness at the bottom where the image [TS]

01:53:03   can't go all the way around because the way the screen is designed seems relatively trivial [TS]

01:53:08   but the face of the Moto three sixty I think looks nicer than the Apple Watch. [TS]

01:53:13   But here here's what I want to come back to you about the kind of summing up thoughts on the watches this [TS]

01:53:19   and watching this presentation. [TS]

01:53:22   And it's becoming clear to me as it goes on that this is this is not a product for me and that's totally fine. [TS]

01:53:29   I suspect Apple will be very successful with it anyway. [TS]

01:53:32   You know that everything has to be custom made for me although it would be nice if it was. [TS]

01:53:37   But watching this I had a similar feeling to when I watched the first i Phone keynote which was the same. [TS]

01:53:48   I have no use for this product right now. [TS]

01:53:51   This is undeniably something cool and I also don't doubt that lots of people will find it very useful. [TS]

01:53:59   But the first time. [TS]

01:54:00   Phone was the same thing it didn't tick the boxes that I needed to take in order to feel like I can justify that [TS]

01:54:05   purchase. Yeah but the key thing about both the i Phone and the Apple Watch is that they are not regular devices. [TS]

01:54:18   They are tiny computers and so what really defines these devices is the software that runs on them. [TS]

01:54:28   And so when I got my first i Phone is really my first i Pod Touch but just list keep it simple [TS]

01:54:35   and say my my first i Phone right. [TS]

01:54:38   The reason that I bought it was entirely because of a single piece of software which was the to do list manager I used [TS]

01:54:47   at the time it was called Remember the Milk and they came out with an app for IO S. [TS]

01:54:52   That allowed you to have all of your to do's in your pocket and then you could update it [TS]

01:54:56   and it would synchronize back and you know everything would just work on your computer and in your pocket. [TS]

01:55:03   And the instant that came out this equation shifted from that was your killer. Yeah. [TS]

01:55:09   Suddenly the calculus is I am going to get an enormous amount of value out of this device [TS]

01:55:15   and everything else about it it's a phone it's an instant messenger and it can do none of that is relevant. [TS]

01:55:22   I would have bought it if it was just a dedicated. [TS]

01:55:25   Remember the Milk device in a does nothing else because that was a valuable thing. [TS]

01:55:29   Yeah and so I look at the watch and I feel like well well watch you [TS]

01:55:34   and I have a date at some point in the future you know I don't know when that's going to be. [TS]

01:55:41   But sooner or later [TS]

01:55:42   when Apple opens us up to third party developers someone is going to come up with a piece of software that working with [TS]

01:55:50   the limitations of the watch is incredibly valuable in a way that I am not thinking of currently [TS]

01:55:56   and then I will buy it and I don't know when. [TS]

01:56:00   It's going to happen [TS]

01:56:00   but I feel it is even though I absolutely love the watch that I wear on my wrist now it is inevitable because of the [TS]

01:56:07   very nature and utility of software that at some point it will out compete. [TS]

01:56:13   My current watch for this space on my wrist because software gets better and more useful over time [TS]

01:56:20   and the utility function of my current watch is a horizontal line that never improves it's high it is really high [TS]

01:56:27   compared to the Apple Watch but it does not grow you have to watch don't step or watch can tell you the times. [TS]

01:56:33   Oh that hasn't got the battery problem but it has a battery problem. [TS]

01:56:36   It also has the problem that I can't wear it in the shower and I can't take it to the gym. [TS]

01:56:42   I mean I was I was thinking of sometimes my gym routine is go to the gym shower [TS]

01:56:48   and then immediately from the shower go into a sauna right incredibly steamy hot environment [TS]

01:56:55   and then from the sauna go into an icy shower [TS]

01:56:59   or the pool I just imagine the Apple Watch exploding under those environmental constraints. [TS]

01:57:05   I can't imagine what you think about me wanting to get a watch that requires winding up and then you watch. [TS]

01:57:10   No I'm I'm OK with that you're OK well I know what watches are mailed jewelry in some ways and the. [TS]

01:57:22   A jury falls into a category everything that is not its utility is not measured entirely based on what it does. [TS]

01:57:30   Yeah futility is also partly this intangible function of how do you feel about it. [TS]

01:57:35   How do you like it how do you like the way it looks and the routine of winding a mechanical watch. [TS]

01:57:43   I think that can be part of the enjoyment of the watch a relational Yeah there's one thing he said. [TS]

01:57:49   You compared to the the release of the Apple Watch to the release of the i Phone [TS]

01:57:54   and I think there are there are differences and there are of the similar. [TS]

01:58:00   Yes but just to talk about some of the differences. The watch is more out there. It's more of a fashion thing. [TS]

01:58:08   Like what it looks like matters more [TS]

01:58:11   and I think in terms of something that looks nice on your wrist as hard as I've tried in my opinion and my taste. [TS]

01:58:19   This is a real retrograde step for watches it's like this is this would be a step backwards for anyone who has a watch [TS]

01:58:26   right. [TS]

01:58:27   They would be having something that looks less nice on their wrist in my opinion the i Phone didn't feel like that the [TS]

01:58:33   i Phone didn't feel like an abomination against all the telephones around at the time. [TS]

01:58:40   If anything it was maybe not I'm looking at some of them. [TS]

01:58:43   Now I agree there and the other thing is yeah I mean that's the main thing [TS]

01:58:49   and the other thing is you know they aren't going to like an improvement on phones the Apple Watch almost feels like an [TS]

01:58:58   improvement. [TS]

01:58:59   You know a bad step backwards even though it's a computer [TS]

01:59:03   and does all these things I feel like they've got a tougher job they've got a tough job [TS]

01:59:08   and I don't think it's very good looking. Your criticism is valid. [TS]

01:59:15   I think if anybody has a watch that cost more than a hundred dollars on their wrist the Apple Watch almost certainly [TS]

01:59:22   looks worse aesthetically than the watch they're wearing. [TS]

01:59:25   Yeah and I like when I talk about software improves hardware improves as well. [TS]

01:59:32   And I saw a few people on Twitter actually made a comment we want to skip to the i Phone four version of this one that [TS]

01:59:42   we had needs to grow into its looks. [TS]

01:59:44   You need to go into its looks [TS]

01:59:46   and also at you know as time goes on they will be able to reduce the thickness they'll be able to change various [TS]

01:59:53   features about it and so that that kind of stuff will start I think allowing the watch to chip away at. That X. [TS]

02:00:01   That it is losing out on and you know who knows how long it will take [TS]

02:00:06   but I think we can say pretty confidently given that computers keep miniaturizing [TS]

02:00:12   and battery technology is getting better although very slowly at some point they'll be able to fit them. [TS]

02:00:19   The electronics of an apple watch in the same casing in design size of any other watch on the market today. [TS]

02:00:28   You know who knows how long that will take but it will get there at some point [TS]

02:00:33   and then it's a much more on a static level even playing field [TS]

02:00:37   and then it is really about the utility of the software [TS]

02:00:41   and what value that's if that's if that's a thing you say because usually [TS]

02:00:46   when Apple releases a new product I know this is just personal taste and some people hate Apple but usually [TS]

02:00:51   when Apple relations are product it looks cool. [TS]

02:00:55   It looks like it's fashionable right now or even looks like it's tomorrow's code thing. [TS]

02:00:59   But look like an i Pad or MacBook or even most of the i Macs and things like that. You look at it and. [TS]

02:01:09   I Phone six to buy side to be off and you look at it [TS]

02:01:11   and you think Man that's just so cool it looks like it was designed by someone from five years in the future and [TS]

02:01:17   when I have come back and given it to us but all of it all fell out of the two thousand and one spaceship [TS]

02:01:23   and it landed on the watched the Apple Watch It was a bit like it was designed by someone in the one nine hundred [TS]

02:01:29   eighty S. [TS]

02:01:30   Imagining what they think the future would be like [TS]

02:01:32   and it's a bit embarrassing it's a bit like no that's not that's not what the cool watch. [TS]

02:01:38   Everyone's going to be wearing looks like that's what you imagine that might look like if you were back then [TS]

02:01:43   but it lingers in the curtain of the comparison it is almost the history of the future of what people thought it was [TS]

02:01:51   going to look like. [TS]

02:01:52   Yeah so I'm on time disappointed in that respect you know I'm not disappointed to watch as I said I really like watches [TS]

02:01:59   and I think they called. [TS]

02:02:00   Things and I'm happy for them still and I like apple and I think magical things [TS]

02:02:05   but they haven't they haven't made something that looks cool no matter what it does [TS]

02:02:11   and maybe I'll buy one because it will do something I can't resist. [TS]

02:02:14   But no matter what happens at the moment I look at that [TS]

02:02:16   and I think I don't want that on my wrist I don't covet that you know I have a i Phone five I have a MacBook so I kept [TS]

02:02:25   at the Amiga Speight master professional but I don't covet this work you know [TS]

02:02:31   and that's probably good because you should cover things. [TS]

02:02:34   Yeah but if you're a company it is your job to design the comfortable [TS]

02:02:39   and yes I think that they have they have failed in some respect on this one. [TS]

02:02:43   There's only one other thing that I just want to mention. [TS]

02:02:46   The price which had some for some reason had never really crossed my mind Apple said something something like Apple [TS]

02:02:54   want starts at three hundred and fifty dollars and it was four hundred dollars I don't remember exactly. [TS]

02:03:00   And they do that with every product they say oh it starts at whatever and sometimes they tell you what it goes up to [TS]

02:03:05   and sometimes they don't but it's seems like so [TS]

02:03:09   when they said that in my mind I felt like all of the other products where they say oh i Pad starts at five ninety nine [TS]

02:03:16   and maybe the most expensive one then mentally you think of it so I could double that price gets me to the most [TS]

02:03:23   expensive Yeah yeah at most. [TS]

02:03:25   Yes you all the better memory and everything you know [TS]

02:03:27   or with the computers like the IMAX you feel like OK I could probably go three times. [TS]

02:03:32   Whatever the base prices [TS]

02:03:34   and with their crazy ones the mac pros which I do covet their beautiful little cylinder computers I don't have a [TS]

02:03:42   definitely would love to have those ones it's like OK this can go up to maybe ten times the base price. [TS]

02:03:50   That's kind of the mental range that I was thinking and I'm looking at those watches [TS]

02:03:53   and I was thinking OK let's say it's three fifty and my mental My mental projection was. [TS]

02:04:00   This is like a mac pro product. [TS]

02:04:02   So maybe the most expensive version of this that a person can possibly get is three [TS]

02:04:07   and a half thousand dollars for the high end watch what for the best. [TS]

02:04:12   And yeah yeah like OK I'm going to go all out I want the gold one and I want the fanciest bands that they have [TS]

02:04:19   and like how much is that going to run me [TS]

02:04:22   and I was mentally projecting I probably like three I have four thousand dollars something like that [TS]

02:04:26   and I hadn't I just never really thought about it at all. [TS]

02:04:29   The group that wrote this piece where he's trying to speculate about what is the upper price that the Apple Watch can [TS]

02:04:34   possibly be. And he found out that one those gold watches are not gold plated they are solid gold all the way through. [TS]

02:04:45   Which puts the resource cost of them at something like ten thousand times what are the minimum [TS]

02:04:53   and then he starts going through [TS]

02:04:55   and comparing it to the price of a Rolex is another high end luxury watches sort of like we were talking about at the [TS]

02:05:03   beginning. How much does it cost to get a really expensive watch. [TS]

02:05:07   He had this line which I copy pasted because I had just loved it I think it's great he says. [TS]

02:05:13   I think Apple Watch prices are going to be shockingly high. [TS]

02:05:17   Gasp inducing Lee get me to the fainting couch high [TS]

02:05:23   and he give the number he throw the number there saying he wouldn't be surprised if the top price was thirty five [TS]

02:05:30   thousand dollars for the gold watch with the best band which when I read it I swear I gasped out loud [TS]

02:05:38   and I felt like I need to sit down to write that never even crossed my mind that it would be possibly that expensive. [TS]

02:05:45   Mrs Gray I'd go a long way to putting in fact Hammett [TS]

02:05:47   and OK She actually she is much more interested in the Apple Watch than I am she she was a presentation about who I [TS]

02:05:54   could I could definitely get one of those. [TS]

02:05:55   Yeah I will probably be starting with that sports band one of the you know three fifths. [TS]

02:06:00   One day not today to talk too long. We have wanted to discuss a little bit about the mac vs P.C. [TS]

02:06:06   or Mattresses Android world which is an interesting thing that is just unavoidable online. [TS]

02:06:11   Yeah and there are a lot of people who really dislike Apple very viscerally [TS]

02:06:18   and I cannot imagine the freak out that is going to happen if Apple does announce the price [TS]

02:06:24   and they say oh it's twenty thousand forty thousand dollars for a high end watch. [TS]

02:06:28   Yeah I think people really will just lose their minds over that price. [TS]

02:06:35   It'll be interesting to see what happens with this [TS]

02:06:38   and I feel like that is now actually one of the things I want to know the most about the watch. [TS]

02:06:42   It adds to the cache of it like part of part of the thing I love so much about that [TS]

02:06:47   and they thought is that it's expensive. [TS]

02:06:49   It's the thing that stops me owning it but it also is the thing that it's one of the. [TS]

02:06:54   It's one of the things I like about it like OK like it makes it say it's more exclusive you know and it's. [TS]

02:07:03   Well this is this is how pricing works. [TS]

02:07:04   Yeah yeah it's there's I mention a lot on the pocket [TS]

02:07:09   but I love economics it is always a subject that has been close to my heart [TS]

02:07:15   and there are many things that you can describe with just straight up supply [TS]

02:07:19   and demand it answers a lot of questions about the pricing of various things but supply [TS]

02:07:25   and demand gets really weird when you start talking about luxury goods that are not necessarily supply constrained. [TS]

02:07:35   And then the very price of the good is part of the attraction of it. [TS]

02:07:41   Yeah and it seems like it is crazy but there are points on that that pricing curve if you're a company [TS]

02:07:51   or you can say you know we're going to triple the price of this item like this luxury watch knowing full well. [TS]

02:08:00   All that we have just cut our audience in half who can possibly buy it. [TS]

02:08:04   Yeah [TS]

02:08:04   but we're still coming out ahead because we have we've sold it to these very this very small group of people who can [TS]

02:08:12   pay a lot of money. [TS]

02:08:13   Apple doesn't need to sell a lot of thirty thousand dollar watches to the huge amount of money on those things I mean [TS]

02:08:22   you think how many phones does Apple need to sell to make fifteen thousand dollars in profit. [TS]

02:08:29   Or how many one dollar apps does Apple need to sell to make fifteen thousand dollars vs pure profit versus selling one [TS]

02:08:37   gold phone. You know if they make the margin that high anyway. [TS]

02:08:44   Can I just say because I know this is going to happen so a nip in the bud to those people who are going to ride on [TS]

02:08:50   either the veranda or send me a message saying Hey Brady you're not going to believe this [TS]

02:08:54   but my dad bought me a lamp Strongs Omega space from a second hand shop in Ohio and when he gave it to me [TS]

02:09:03   and now it sits on a shelf in my bathroom I gotta say to those people I'd rather not know. [TS]

02:09:10   I don't feel the need to tell me. There can only be one of those people right. [TS]

02:09:18   You know I mean you know Armstrong's as in the Smithsonian anyway you know. Interesting fact interesting fact. [TS]

02:09:23   Yes Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on Apollo eleven both had to make it. [TS]

02:09:27   Speedmaster professionals Sorry about the little clock in the lunar module was malfunctioning for timing how long they [TS]

02:09:35   were doing things you say because it wasn't working. [TS]

02:09:38   Neil Armstrong left his watch in the module as almost like the official clock of the craft [TS]

02:09:43   and didn't wear his on the surface of the moon. [TS]

02:09:46   Buzz Aldrin did wear his on the surface of the moon so it was Buzz Aldrin swatch that was the first walked on the moon. [TS]

02:09:52   Not know Armstrong was well I guess that's the one. [TS]