The Incomparable

00:00:06 ◼   ► the incomparable number 204 july 2014 [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be comfortable [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► i am your host Jason Snell and we're [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► here it with a little episode that I [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► think it's going to be timely we're [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► releasing this over comic-con weekend [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► and it's about the news news that has [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► happened in practice yesterday or at [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► least in the last couple of weeks which [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► is we're going to talk about recasting [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► comic book characters and when I don't [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► mean recasting characters in comic book [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► movies you know like whoever is playing [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► who is playing daredevil in this TV show [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► it's not Ben Affleck is now he's Batman [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► speaking of recasting and there's [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► different Batman's you do wonder there's [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► probably a chain and Captain America [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► used to be the human torch and that's [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► not what this episode is about this [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► episode is about although we may get [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► there because we will go off the rails [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► and we'll end up there but but I want to [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► state our initial premise that you can [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► see where we go from here [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► our initial premises there was there was [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► news recently about how Marvel Comics is [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► going to change the character of Thor [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► and there's going to be a female Thor [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► and she's not like a another character [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► who is now taking the mantle and it's [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► not like she Thor or something like that [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► she is going to be Thor so the new [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► aspect of Thor is going to be a woman [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► and then we also heard that as announced [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► on the colbert report that Sam Wilson [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the Falcon who is also by the way the [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► most interesting character I thought in [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► a like the best thing about the the the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► latest captain america movie which I [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► like a lot but I thought the Falcon was [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► like awesome part of it that the Falcon [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► Sam Wilson is going to be the new [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► captain america and there's been some [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► controversy about this and there's been [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► a lot of chatter because you know comic [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► books people of talking about comic [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► books and getting angry and arguing and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► all of that and i thought we're not [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► going to get angry as we've said on the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► show me numerous times we're all friends [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► here we're gonna come we're going to [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► talk with leave his friends come as [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► friendly as friends [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► kindness is Magic all that it's not [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► there's a there's a uncomfortable [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► charter that you haven't read but trust [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► me it's all good things anyway so that's [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the that's the topic is what i'm saying [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► is we're going to talk about recasting [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► comic books comic book characters and [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► probably a little bit about [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► reasons you choose to make changes to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► comic book characters in comic cannon [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and let me having completed my opening [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► remarks ensure he's a vision [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I'm now going to introduce my fantastic [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► panel Monty Ashley hello hello Jason [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► we didn't recast you I thought about it [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► but let's not keep the original Monty i [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► am the original model you are the [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► original Monty 100-percent Brianna was [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► back for another adventure with the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► thank you so much for being here what's [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► crackalackin high and we we had a little [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► Twitter conversation that sort of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► prompted this whole episode we did it [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► was exciting yeah that was excited [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► really interesting it was like where [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► cynicism met optimism was on on Twitter [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► all places who know because that's such [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► a nice description and we really that's [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► what I you I love that you are able to [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► pick the most generous nice cash thanks [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► that's a talent but it was positivity [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► coming from a direction that I didn't [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► expect and negativity coming from a dip [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► it was like everything's topsy-turvy and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► it was fascinating and I thought this [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► was worth a conversation [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► David laura is also out there hi david [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► haye contractually obligated to be here [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► i'm wearing my officially licensed dan [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► more in Boston Red Sox cap just innately [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► recast and more and as David de laura is [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► now playing the part of the morn that [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► that happened like six months ago nobody [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► really noticed because you know there's [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► something where the same hat it's fine [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► and also out there is an do not co hi [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► Andy [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I just want to say that if I had known [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► about this earlier i could change the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► character of Thor in my blade runner [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Fantastic Four fanfic but i can't it's [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► too late it's already kindled single [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► you're just gonna happen when we get to [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► the sex scene is going to be weird that [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► it's a guy in a woman now but I I could [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► fix it if I would if I could but they're [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the the pressures of the marketplace [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► have absolutely not the underpinnings of [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► this project out it was it was going to [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► be great but I guess that's a kindle [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► worlds project write fanfic on kindle [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► well within the private vonnegut but [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► featured marvel superhero [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► listen can i pee amazon ten dollars a [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► month and just download as much fanfic [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► as I want because I would totally do [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that that would be great [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► Jeff Bezos if you're listening yeah come [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► on come on [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► free market date let's get to it said if [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► anybody can make people pay for fanfic [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► it would be Jeff pieces would find a way [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► fanfic prime I'm what have you done so [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► this news came out and issues so that [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► the Twitter conversation diluted to that [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that Briana and I had with some other [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► people on Twitter Josh centers was in [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► there there's a bunch of people in there [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and and I was definitely when I read the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► news i had I two thoughts about the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► above for recasting and one of them was [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► uh was it's great to see Marvel doing [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► some things about diversity I thought [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► about a conversation we had about the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► jkb Star Trek movies and how they [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► inherited a cast that although at the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► time in the sixties was diverse it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► turned out to not be by our standards [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► today not be particularly to diverse [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► there's one woman there are only two [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► people of color in that on that show and [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► so I thought about before recasting well [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► that you know this is another strong [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► female character than bringing in like [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► this Marvel like Captain Marvel and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that's great but i also had my comic [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► book fan boy burn too many times [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► reaction which was this is this is a [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► publicity stunt [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► this is gonna be undone in six months [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► and I felt kind of offended because I [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► felt like you could choose to be like in [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► create new strong female characters or [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you could do like use it for publicity [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► son and for me that kind of goes to the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► heart of this is there are there that [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► for me there's a question and and maybe [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter in the end I [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► think that's worth discussing [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► but it's uh it is I wonder is marvel [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► being diverse because they truly believe [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► that they need their characters to [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► reflect more accurately reflect the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► world are or is this a cheap publicity [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► stunt and why can't it be both [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► I suppose it's the other way to view it [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► so Briana you know you and I were given [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► this I your perspective on this was [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► really interesting which you if if i can [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► simplify it down and then [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► love you to expand on it is is you know [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► what it sort of doesn't matter what [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► their motivation is the fact is that [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► girls who pick up a comic book now are [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► going to see Thor as this strong woman [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► and that matters so let me since I'm the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► only woman on this panel said let me I [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► share our perspective about what it's [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► like to be a female comic book fan I'm [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► so you go to the comic book store and [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you're overwhelmed with like women in [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► super sexual poses with giant boobs and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► it's constantly this experience of like [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► where am I represented here where my [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► heroes where people I can relate to and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► you know if you go down the list of [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► movies just in the last few years I'm [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► just going to list some of them Batman [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► Superman the punisher captain america [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► judge dredd daredevil Hulk ghostrider [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► Iron Man Wolverine Green Lantern [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► spider-man Thor you know it's there's no [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► shortage of movies and comic books [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► featuring white straight men as the [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► protagonist so I just I'm done really [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► really excited to see a character that I [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► always thought was so boring and just [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► have to know your enemy of [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► hyper-masculine eyes like just blandness [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► I mean I think like the actor playing [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► Thor is very cute but the character I [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► just I don't relate or care about him [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► even remotely and I just thought this [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► was such a really cool twist on a [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► character I just had no affinity for and [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► you're turning door into this powerful [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► strong woman like wearing armor and [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► carrying a big giant hammer if that's [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► awesome i mean this is completely [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► yeah it's a you also i should say you [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► know how boring Thor can be is that they [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► have to give him a special font to the [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► fact that i learned about different [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► typefaces is what the store talk with a [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► funny font that's weird [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► and now you're trashing Sandman what's [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► going on oh I'm sorry I love Sophie look [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► let's not trash Walt Simonson running [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► for that I think is one of the greatest [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► runs i do love it [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► I do love it and that thats the beta ray [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► bill picked up the hammer right that [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► might have been the last truly epic and [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► really exciting run on forever i will [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► outlaw for that but a kit you can be [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► interesting I just I just needed to [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► defend Walt Simonson is run by the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► scripting and his artwork incredible I i [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► guess it's like I couldn't help but you [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► know I've heard so many people saying [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you know it's a publicity stunt it's a [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► publicity stunt and you don't get me [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► wrong i was burned by Superman coming [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► back to life to you know like i know i [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► know where that cynicism comes from but [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► I think you can look at the Marvel [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► leadership scom ents on this issue and I [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► think you can look at what their pattern [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► of behavior has been in the last four [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► years in it it really does seem like a [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► genuine honest truthful commitment to [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► the filling this in this marketplace [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► need for diversity [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► I mean diversity is something the market [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► is demanding like they're feeling you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► know they're they're fulfilling the [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► consumer need and it just I I don't [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► understand where the cynicism is coming [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► down I feel like the traditional wisdom [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► is that the comic books have to stay as [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► close as possible to the movies so you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► expect Thor to start looking more and [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► more like Chris Hemsworth when for them [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► to literally not do that but right in [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► the middle of Thor's biggest mainstream [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► success ever make it change like this I [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► think is actually pretty daring of them [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► and not just if it's a publicity stunt [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it's not a cheap one is I guess my [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► position I think that's a good point [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► although i will point out that the thor [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► movie just came out and i'm reminded and [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► of amazing spider-man 700 when it came [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► out where they killed Peter Parker and [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► they put dr. octopus in charge of [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► spider-man's body and they said well [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► superior spider-man now that's going to [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► be the new thing and everybody at the [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► time cynically said well until amazing [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► spider-man 2 comes out and i'm not [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► kidding they returned Peter Parker to [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► his own body the month the amazing [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► spider-man 2 cats are you feeling that [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that's it and and and that's not [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► necessarily a bad thing [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► I mean where we of course we had a [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► really brought up the death of superman [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► i think that even at the time [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► DC was like look we acknowledge this is [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► just a comic book we're not going to [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► never ever again publish comments with [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► this one of the single most popular [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► fictional characters in the history of [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► fictional characters but we want to [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► spend the next year or two [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► exploring what the DC universe would be [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► like where Jesus Christ has been killed [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► in front of everybody and he did not [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► come back to life three days later so i [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► think these can be interesting stories I [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► don't say that I'm I'm cynical more like [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► I'm just weary its looks it's this has [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► got to be the fourth time in about a [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► year-and-a-half we're not only has [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► Marvel done they were putting a [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► different person in the costume and open [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► this is for real this is not just a [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► quick stunt not but not only has that [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► not only has that happened four times [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► now but it's it's just that they've made [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► a very very big deal in all media about [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► how what an incredible groundbreaking [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► thing whereas they turned Thor into a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► frog tutoring wondering Simonson's from [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► during time since run and all that [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► happened was that the last panel of a [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► very extended battle scene between him [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► and Loki he's turned into a frog because [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► it sits at part part part part so part [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► of it for me isn't that I i think they [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► could have a good time exploring all of [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► these are stories where the Falcons now [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► have to a an african-american man has to [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► assume the role of the app iconic [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► patriotic super super soldier and [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► there's going to be a female role in one [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► of the most dead Bush manly he manly [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► swaggering Lee manly swing a hammer and [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► make everybody look at it [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► comic but now that they're still it's [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► there it's it's the fact that they have [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► to bring this up aren't we wonderful and [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► are we not afraid to kick over and Tails [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► it's like no you're do you realize that [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► you can get a spot on The Colbert Report [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► and on the view with this news and you [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► can get a lot of publicity for this news [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► and let's just acknowledge that this is [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► something you do because you need to get [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that kind of exposure in that kind of [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► coverage is product is so cynical that's [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► not cynical it'sit's separate know its [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► separate for its they're two different [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► reactions i think that there's the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► reaction to the actual comic itself [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► which has to wait until these comics [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► were published [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► and then there's the no I'm serious but [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► the other thing is that now that you're [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► this is being announced and we have two [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► months to think about it does this make [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► me excited about buying this comic and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► given that there are any given month [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► about 20-30 really good comics and vying [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► for that four dollars it's like okay [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you're not showing me anything that I [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► haven't seen in a couple years so it's [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► not about you it's about the legions is [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► friend and I really want for my for my [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► i'm talking about my four dollars it is [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► all about me for this four dollars that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► i can spend her i cannot spend it is [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► completely about me if I'm not excited [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► about it that's fine i'm not saying that [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► no one else should be excited about it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► I'm saying that this does not make me [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► eagerly anticipate this new comic but [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► not like enough lead the way that the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► numerous Marvel did which I said wow [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► this writer with this topic I've got [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► four dollars set aside for that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► so again I'm not decrying anybody else [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► is interested in this I'm not even [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► saying this is not important for the [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► larger thing general that more people [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► get represented I'm saying that for four [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► dollars in my pocket to be moving from [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► my pocket to Marvel's bankbook this does [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► not get me that excited about it there [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► there's no shortage of heroes out there [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► for you and the thing is if your geek [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► girl there is a real real lack of women [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► that are in this role and I know so many [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► women that are super hyped up about [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► buying Thor for the first time in our [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► entire life i mean i've read of faith or [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► comic books but when I say it's not [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► about you it's not saying that like [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► you're you're not entitled to feel [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► thrilled about this comic book but i'm [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► saying this this whole move is not [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► towards you it's it's actually aimed [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► more towards people like me it's aimed [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► towards the Legion of women out there [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that do like comic books but don't find [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► herself represented so I would I would [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► respectfully say that ultimately this is [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► not really something that it's it's it's [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► just you're not the focus here [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► does that make sense to you yes but I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► again I want to make sure that when i'm [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► saying is clear as possible that i did [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► not make myself clear [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► I'm saying I'm saying that [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► a given that i see this idea so many [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► times this is not a standout idea to me [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► and soon enough and so I can state with [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► absolute authority that this is not the [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► sort of thing that gets me excited about [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► buying the next Captain America buying [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the new captain america books buying the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► new Thor books and these are two books [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► that have not bought in the past this is [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► this is completely separate has [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► absolutely no relevance to is this a [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► good idea is this a good thing and two [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► other people have shit should they be [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► genuinely interested in this because [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► everybody's gonna make their own [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► decisions and have their own reaction to [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► this i'm saying what all i want to sort [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► of respond to is the idea that this is a [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► cynical response it isn't because I'm [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► someone who's participating in the [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► marketplace [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► I have been served the cooked steamed [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► broccoli many times I have never been [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► excited about steam cook broccoli I've [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► tried steam cook broccoli many times and [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► never enjoyed it [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► this will affect whether you're going to [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► excite me about saying over two months [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► we're gonna be serving you just cook [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► steamed broccoli i might not show up for [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that dinner but that still does not it [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► that does not impute broccoli as a dish [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► I'm just saying that you know your sort [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► of saying you this is a marvel this is a [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► marvel story story decision with big [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► publicity like for example the death of [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► the human torch and that doesn't [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► necessarily lead toward good [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► storytelling not necessarily as opposed [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► to something like well with his Marvel [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► announcement which was a lot lower key [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► and as a sort of new storyline and is i [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► mean i'm reading that too and I think [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that's fantastic i'm just interested in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► that in that and that difference there [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► that it seems to me like you're weary of [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the of these big events being promised [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► and not actually leading to stories that [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► you are interested in reading or that [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► you final worth know that that's not a [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► again they're there to that the problem [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► is that it was it was great when about [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► 10-15 years ago when Kompany's felt as [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► though [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► well we're not if we're not ever going [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► to get the front page New York Times [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► you're not ever going to be a story on a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► news program that gets five or six [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► million people it is we're already we're [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► always going to be sort of marketing [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► these towards our fans people who are [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► aware of it and maybe friends of those [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► fans now that it's that that meant that [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► if I were already an ongoing reader of [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► Thor [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► i would i would get to the end of it [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► gets the end of an issue and without any [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► knowledge this is coming whatsoever [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► see that oh well now that we're now that [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► we've got this new person in the role of [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► Thor this new person the role of Captain [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► America and if right now though we have [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► to promote this two months in advance [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► for three months in advance we have two [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► months in which i'm thinking does this [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► get me again does this get me circling a [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► date in my calendar that this is when [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► the new Thor comes out i really want to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► check that out that does not get me [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► excited about it but the the key thing [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► is that's totally separate from how good [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► these stories are going to be I'm not [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► gonna make I don't think anybody can [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► make any assumptions about it even if [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► there are no matter how if anybody's [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► disappointed with these decisions you [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► have no idea how good this is going to [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► be right I was wrong my eyes at the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► death of Spiderman but that was such a [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► wonderful exploration onto the basis of [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► the of hero hood and what drives people [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► to make the decisions that they make so [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► what might happen in a few months is [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► that again I will not be lined up to [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► ghosts by this new Thor but once i hear [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► other people talking about if they [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► described it in ways that really make an [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► interesting maybe we'll go and buy it [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► that's why i'm saying is a total brick [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► wall between an announcement that gets [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► you excited two months in advance about [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► buying this issue and how good this is [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► going to be when it actually comes out [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► so that's that might make that make [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► change that decision I I hear what [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► you're saying I I i would suggest that I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► think that you might not be super aware [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► that the degree to which the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► conversation about comics tends to be [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► led and dominated by you know white [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► straight men like that is kind of the [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► comics culture and like you're saying [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► this story may be good the story may be [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► um what I would suggest to you is that [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► there are different measuring sticks out [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► there for is this story good i would [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► suggest you that they're different [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► measuring sticks for does this get me [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► excited and what I would suggest to you [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► is I think that Marvel is looking as a [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► business at the current makeup of [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► America [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the people that read comics i know so [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► many you know african-american friends [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► of mine they're very passionate about [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► comics i know so many women they're [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► passionate about comics and I think what [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► is happening is the industry is shifting [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and it's growing the same way you see [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► video games growing right now and it is [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► addressing this need for diversity so [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► what I would suggest to you is if by [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► your measuring stick some of these moves [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► don't get you excited or they don't [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► appeal to you personally I i would [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► suggest that it's for different people [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► that like I completely agree with that [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► so here's what i see is one of the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► problems here and I i mentioned this [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► with with Star Trek which is well I [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► wonder core problems is the company like [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► Marvel or NGC is in the same boat is it [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► they are an intellectual property [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► holding company and these days they make [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► so much of their money so much of the [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► money and the value in these in these [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► companies is in the film business where [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► they've got these huge film franchise [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► and marvelous got a huge film franchise [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► DC's got the great run amok of Batman [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► movies that they made and is trying to [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► now create something a little more like [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► what Marvel has done a huge value there [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► we also live in a world where some of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► the greatest comic book creative people [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► have realized that they would rather if [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► you're going to come up with some great [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► new intellectual property which is sadly [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► how a lot of stuff is viewed it's not a [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► great story it's great intellectual [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► property you they want to make the great [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► creators want to make that and owned it [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► themselves and so there is a lack of [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► great new characters and great new not [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► straight lines to create new characters [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► going into Marvel and DC because a lot [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► of that stuff is being done [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► independently so there's this challenge [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► with like I said with Star Trek I see it [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► even more so in Marvel and DC where the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► cast that they've inherited their [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► intellectual property is largely male [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► and largely white because these are the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► characters that were created you know 50 [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► 60 40 years ago and I i think when you [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► look at Sam Wilson being captain america [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► and a woman being the wielding the [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► hammer of Thor what strikes me about [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that as opposed [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► this is something like putting Carol [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► Danvers is Captain Marvel and and having [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► a new ms marvel is those seem to be [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► almost like recasting and that's why I [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► mentioned I've been calling the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► recasting the idea of you know our our [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► intellectual property base isn't diverse [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► enough and we can't really think it's [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► hard for us to create new characters so [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► what we're gonna do is mix around with [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the characters we've gotta it feels to [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► me like that's what's happening here is [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► that is that you know they would they [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► want to play with your intellectual [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► property and so while people get up in [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► arms about it's not the thor I know it's [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► not the cap I knew I feel like on one [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► level this is marvel [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► I mean it's bold of Marvel to say we're [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► gonna do this to our arc or intellectual [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► property but at the same time it's also [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► like this is what we've got to play with [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► we need to diversify our mainline not [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► just add these characters on the edges [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► that nobody's ever heard of [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► well even even there I mean there are [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► certain characters that are always going [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► to be those characters Clark Kent will [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► always be Superman Bruce Wayne has [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► basically always been Batman but then [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► you have like how many Green Lanterns [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► have been how many flashes have there [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► been no official for official flashes [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► plus some goofy future flashes right and [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► you know and and those are characters [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that don't have the same kind of iconic [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► presence for people they know who the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► Green Lantern maybe but they don't know [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► a name they don't attach a name to that [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and so you you might have your house [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► Jordan fans you might have you may have [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Kyle raider fans and you may have jon [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► stewart fans and at least you know [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► there's a little bit of diversity and in [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► DC right there Joe and so I kind of see [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► this is not that far from that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► well I an idea that is very much like [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► the flash such flashing green lantern [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► situation [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► yeah which pretty much introduced the [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► Silver Age when they said we have these [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► characters we haven't used in forever [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► let's just keep the basic concept of the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► hero introduced a whole new guy a whole [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► new origin story and I feel like they're [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► just doing that now [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► although because it's 2014 they're [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► allowing themselves to be a [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► little more original then here's a whole [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► new white guy that yeah yeah I think I [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► think that's a good point it's a it's [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► and I think the difference is that we in [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the seventies what we saw was people [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► said hey you don't have a lot of you [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► have a lot of black superheroes and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► they're like well okay we use the Black [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► Panther okay then here's what Adam [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► here's the Falcon and here's the beers [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► beers beers black lightning and it's [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► like yeah oh okay [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► it's something it's something right its [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► end and again i can make fun of it but [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► at the same time that was a legitimate [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► attempt to create diversity in a place [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► where there was none right but what also [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► happened in the seventies with the the [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► rise of the feminist movement was this [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► creation of of I don't know how to [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► phrase it like alternate female [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► counterpart heroes so the whole heart [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► but we made she-hulk and-and-and-and-and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► you got that a lot where it was like [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► well it's not it's not that that Thor is [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► different but now there's a lady thore [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► over here on the side right and one of [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the things about that was interesting [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► but marvels announcement about there was [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► this is not so [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► laurita this is not lady for this is [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► Thor and that says something to that [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► we're not just creating like a girl [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► counterpart to important character the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► important characters a woman and that is [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► part of the story and that's that is [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that's a step up i think that's really [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah i agree with on if this might be [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that this is a this is a semantic issue [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► the the really terrible nerd part of my [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► brain said but wait it's so you're not [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► making her the god the goddess of [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► thunder you're making her Thor that's [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► like saying you're not making this woman [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► president you're making her Barack Obama [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► i don't understand that [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► yeah I had I i think right now see the [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► story because i had made job major nerd [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► nerd moment there too because I was like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► what do you mean beta ray bill was an [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► alien who got the hammer and and it'll [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► be interesting to see how they tell the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► story but I you know I I I don't doubt [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► that there is a great desire at Marvel [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and I I mean Brandon you mentioned i [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► think that i think is a business aspect [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► of this to which is like this is not [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► just we want to be nice [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► marvel's owned by disney this is there's [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► a huge amount of investment in this [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► intellectual property [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► this is also about we we need to move [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► with [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► at times and how do we do that and get [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► some publicity along the way but how do [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► we diversify this line in the new [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► Fantastic Four movie the human torch is [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► going to be played by the Michael B [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► Jordan is the name of the actor get the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► kid from chronically at the kids from [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► the wire and and chronicle and friday [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► night lights and so that's a black kid [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► is gonna be playing the human torch and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► that's an all-white cast and now it's [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► not and I think I think he's great and [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► so I'm really looking forward to that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► so this is happening all over I I think [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► like you can look at Maleficent which by [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► all you know [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► by all reports was not a well removed [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► reviewed movie get it did very very well [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► at the box office and I know so many [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► women that want to go see a movie like [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► you know with injury Anjali featured and [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you know so we geek women have money to [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► spend and i think it's it's addressing [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► the market need I want to come back to [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► something you said actually on Twitter [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► Jason where you're talking about how the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► X universe kind of tended to do better [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► on this issue [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► um but if you look at the last x-men [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► movie I was so phenomenally disappointed [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► with it because who were the main [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► characters it was a ton of white guys [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► I'm you have Quicksilver magneto Xavier [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► having another love story together you [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► know we'll bring him like i am you know [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► yes mystique is kind of part of it but [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► she wasn't really as much of a main [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► character say Wolverine and it just [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► seems to me that even in a movie or even [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► a universe with that is diverse as the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► x-men like here you have again for women [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► or fifty percent of the planet you know [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and there's any number of really awesome [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► amazing female amazing characters in [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► that universe it's the forces of [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► Hollywood or whatever just kind of kill [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► that diversity also Cyclops is [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► definitively like the most boring [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► character on the show it anytime you use [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► Cyclops right I accuse you and and in [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the story that they based the movie on [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► that inspired the movie so amazingly [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► right back in time can be probably the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► main character that's [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► how did she get that betrayed and I [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► don't really talk about it's in the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► future it's all explained later again [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► that's one of those kinda kind of things [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► this mutant things like so much about [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► the future seems they've established [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► portal girl really well and even though [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► she had maybe one line of dialogue she's [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► super fun and a personality and want to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► know her more about her but yeah kitty [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► was great guys this year though [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► well I mean they were like what we could [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► make it Wolverine because everybody [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► loves Wolverine and who cares about [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► native pride you know back in 1985 there [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► would have been strong arguments about [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► kitty pryde vs wolverine let me tell you [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► i get there their rationale that well we [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► want to tie the movie existences [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► together and so she the age wouldn't [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► work at all but you know there are other [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► women fine rhymes another week at [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► doesn't have to be Hugh Jackman this is [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► all because I screwed up in the first [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► movie and took Kitty Pryde's personality [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► and put it in Rouen Road yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► after a brief break for our sponsor now [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► in this episode you've been listening to [TS]

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00:30:05 ◼   ► that perhaps it's time for her and her [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► company to be uncomfortable sponsor [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► look up look down look out [TS]

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00:30:21 ◼   ► returned in revolution 60 in the future [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► a team of deadly female secret agents [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► must rendezvous with n 313 an orbital [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► weapons platform adrift over China if [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► they fail their mission [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► it will be an all-out nuclear war [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► evolution 60 danger sign for the world's [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► most deadly secret agent who will you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► trust and he will kill [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► no one can stop the action no one can [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► stop the danger [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► no one can stop revolution 60 [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► available now on iOS and thanks to giant [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► space cat for sponsoring the [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable I i want to mention [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► another recasting that that is not quite [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► the same but when and when they [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► announced that they were going to kill [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► Peter Parker in ultimate spider-man that [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► which is which is really my favorite [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► comic of the last 15 years i think his [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man i was i was upset [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► because again there's that event fatigue [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► thing and and this is what I keep trying [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► two separate here is there's my vent [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► fatigue of your gonna do something [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► called death of Spiderman is going to be [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► a cheat or are you gonna kill Peter [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Parker and why would you kill Peter [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Parker he's been your protagonist 420 [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► issues and it's very sad at but you know [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► what what happened is they had an idea [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► for a great story and they were already [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► telling Peter Parker story in two [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► different places for a great story about [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► a new kid with a slightly different [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► history but who would have liked Peter [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► Parker this power thrust upon him with [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► one twist which is that now he has Peter [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► Parker to live up to and that's Miles [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► Morales whose dad is black and moms [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► Puerto Rican and so not only injecting [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► amazing diversity into the spider-man [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► costume which had been sacrosanct [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► essentially the peter parker was [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► spider-man there was no like other Green [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► Lantern the flash or anything right it [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► was Peter Parker experiment letting [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► forgot about the Clone Saga well but [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► that's all Peter Parker to all right [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► there are sins all right but this is [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► just like your another kid got bit by a [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► spider and that's miles morales and you [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► know what that's a great [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► those are great stories that spun out of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► there in hindsight looking at that and [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that's a great character to the point [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► where now when they killed the Peter [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► Parker off temporarily in the main [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► Marvel line i just kind of drug because [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► it's like and it's finally miles is good [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► because we got plenty more where that [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► came from yeah but that was that's an [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► example where where are you know there's [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► there's i don't i don't think now any [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► differently about the fact that you know [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► this fantastic spider-man is an [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► african-american Puerto Rican kid in New [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► York City I think that's perfectly [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► reasonable and then there's that other [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► thought which is what about all the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► african-american kids and the porter he [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► could kids who read comics who now see [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► some [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► but he was kinda like them in miles [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► that's amazing too [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► I think there's a need to like shake up [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► the Marvel Universe to a certain extent [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► to my read recently how they're killing [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Wolverine and it kind of it kind of [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► stunt me for a minute [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► you know like wolverine someone that [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► probably makes a lot of money for Marvel [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► or you know they recently killed [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► professor xavier again but I night I get [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► ya if you get the feeling this time it's [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► more permanent um as permanent as again [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► communist government always recycle some [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► takeout right yeah but like literally [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► like with Superman the idea that we're [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► gonna go we're gonna tell a story that [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► and Paul Cornell has been reading a lot [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► of that arc so it's been known to eat [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► two years in the making it's like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► killing will rain is telling an [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► interesting story about wolverine and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► then and then having them you know the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► guts to to do that to really profitable [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► character right even-tempered like [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► remember when they killed Eugene gray [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► and I didn't think they're really going [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► to leave her dead and they did and you [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► know watching Cyclops fall in love with [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► Emma Frost has been a really cool [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► interesting storyline i don't know if [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► you guys read all new x-men but i love [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► it it's currently my favorite let's Bend [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► this again it's nothing yet why it [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► yeah yeah um I just think that shaking [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► up the universe it in a longer way like [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► with new characters are putting a new [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► twist on it I think it gives I think [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► it's painful when it happens but i think [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► it gives long-term vitality to the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► universe I think that's the healthiest [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► way to view comic books too because [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► there's the strict comic-book [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► constructionist guy right [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► uh-uh which is like well you know the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► continuity says that this is not a right [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► there's that argument which is the comic [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► book I argument but uh and I've made [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that and felt that and I totally get [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► that like but no you said in this other [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► issue when they were footnotes and [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that's what it's like [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► right but but the other way to view it [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► is is exactly this which is it's a [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► playground the continuity is always [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► shifting and if you can tell I and I [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► know I've said this to you before if you [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► can tell a good story i kinda don't care [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► about the rest of it i don't i kinda [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► don't care what you do if the stories [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► are good and then what we've been [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► talking about today it also allows you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► to tell stories that are a little bit [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► different because your cast is not just [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► a bunch of white guys then [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► and that's good too and in the end [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► that's that's what matters so I love it [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► even though we all know Wolverine is not [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► going to stay dead like Superman didn't [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► stay dead like Peter Parker didn't stay [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► dead in their defense not ultimate Peter [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► Parker stay dead for over a year [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► yes which was way longer than what the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► fuck instead and this is my long-winded [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► point which is which is we can roll her [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► eyes and say of course they're not going [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► to stay dead but being dead for a year [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► being dead for two years in comic-book [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► terms and telling stories for a couple [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► years like Superman what's the world [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► like without Superman that doesn't make [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► that any less valid just because we know [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► they're going to eventually come back [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► because the point is can you tell [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► interesting stories while they're gone [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► right i mean the only x-men thing we're [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► bringing the old x-men to the present [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► day you know at some point they'll end [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that up but it's it's a i'm enjoying [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► those stories because it's called a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► crazy idea and it's fascinating to see [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► those characters playing in the current [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► set of characters that's that's cool [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► right right [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► it's also important to note that would [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► be if you could if you pinpoint whatever [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► year it was you started reading comics [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► and then pinpoint the year after that [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► you decided that continuity is being [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► messed up they don't appreciate [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► continuity ok we'll find let's roll back [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► to 1996-97 when you fell in love with a [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► fantastic for what if we realize that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► while the things you love about the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► Fantastic Four 1987 happen because they [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► ignored lots of stuff that happened in [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► the seventies they decided well let's [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► pretend that Franklin Richards does not [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► have these powers so it's so you have to [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► have to if you you have to accept that a [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► lot of what you love about these [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► comments comes because of that ignorance [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the only thing that I would defend some [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► part of the family argument though is [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► that it's disappointing when DC and [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► Marvel will make these Titanic they [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► think they pride themselves all we don't [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► we don't we like to kick over and hills [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► the problem is that eventually you wind [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► up with a flat landscape that's very [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► very boring i was i was disappointed [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► like with civil civil war that we're [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► making this huge huge sweeping changes [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► in our head next year we're having a [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► huge alien invasion everybody realizes [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► that ever aliens invaded 20 years ago [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► and they already took over a year later [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► nobody's commenting about that nobody [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► cares what i would love to I would [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► really love to see that kind of like [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► comic books [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► universe no I'm saying for that no I'm [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► saying they they they are there they're [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► not swinging at the pitch [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► what if they simply said that yes look [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► every person on this planet realizes [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► that alien successfully invaded this [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► planet and only by the skin of our teeth [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► that we managed to get them to go back [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► where they came from and got our planet [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► back five years after that every story [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► has to be colored through a populist [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► that is now terrified of another alien [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► invasion and now has a totally different [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► idea of us versus them instead it's like [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► okay whatever boy remember the time last [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► summer when everybody in New York was a [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► spider [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► wow what was that about anyway about her [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► dad for like AI thought I feel like this [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► is something I've learned to live with [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► Gannicus like I remember being 15 and [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► reading was at the executioner song with [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► x-men and like going out to my comic [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► book store every week trying to hunt [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► down every issue of it and ultimately [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► coming to the conclusion wasn't really [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► going to have changes and I i guess i'm [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► always speaking for me here but the the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► piece I've made with it is you have [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► someone that's just trying to tell a [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► good story and maybe like I know I just [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► try to appreciate the arc of the story [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► line on its own merits and I I don't [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► need to shake up the the universe every [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► time it's especially as an adult where I [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► tend to get by graphic novels and just [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► read chunks of a story at once rather [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► than that [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► getting into the entire whole you know [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► the only thing that gives me pause about [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► this right now is all of the oh we're [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► we're really going to do it and we're [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► really going to keep it and we're not [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► going to change at this time and and [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► we're gonna we're going to make Thor [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► woman and that's that and it's sort of [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► like me think the editor does protest [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► too much [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► you know it's like we know stuffs gonna [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► change and you're going to change it [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► back you're gonna do something different [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► justjust say look we're doing this thing [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► see what happens yeah it might be a good [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► story we hope it's good story we think [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► it's good and you know give it a chance [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and and if it works you know then maybe [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► they keep it [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► maybe they do more with it there's some [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► Comic Book cultural baggage which goes [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► back to I add my memory of DC how they [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► would always say [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► they would have their stories that [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► didn't fit in continuity and they would [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► say this is an imaginary story and the [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► guys all of their stories are imagine [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► don't take it so seriously that's [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► something i love DC vs marvel because it [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► seemed as though DC have this attitude [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► of look where we under we know that you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► know this is just a comic book if we [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► came up with its own pictures a really [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► great idea of Batman during Victorian [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► times that a fighting Dracula we decided [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► wow that's such a good story we really [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► have to publish this and we understand [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► you're not going to try to stick us to [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► where did Batman how did Batman get into [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► Victorian times that's great the the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► explanation look it's just a comic book [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► we can screw around as much as we want [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► I think it's something that it's not [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► used enough well-marbled did that to [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► that was the whole what if series [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► yeah I just met with ran out of ideas [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► except except every last page maybe the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► earth blew up and I don't watch it but [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► yeah good things didn't happen like that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► huh KITT so the imaginary story thing [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► what got me about it is that what they [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► were suggesting is that then there was [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the real stories which were the DC [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► continuity is like guys it's all [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► imaginary it and all the white again I [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► understand the comic book fans tendency [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► to be like I want to catalog and I want [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► to look at the continuity but this [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► happened back then there is that maybe [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► it's at as I've gotten older and have a [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► lot of comics and I kind of like my care [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► more about the stories and and i love [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► the continuity and all but I just don't [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► I don't I don't sweat it and I i think [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► that I think that helps it isn't that an [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► alan moore line from one of his [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► Superman's I think whatever happened to [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► the man of tomorrow [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that's an imaginary story money you all [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► know i think that one starts off with a [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► caption saying this is an imaginary yeah [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► we realized that was all that was in [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that we aren't they all right [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► yeah exactly i want to mention a couple [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► we talk about diversity and comics and [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► recasting characters and you mentioned [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► like the flashes in the Green Lantern's [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► I'm i want to mention too that are [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► particular favorite of mine or wanted [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that one that's a favorite one that I'm [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► intrigued by DC made a new Blue Beetle a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► few years ago and i like that for a few [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► reasons i like it because it's [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► geographically diverse it was sent in [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► san antonio texas [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► oh yeah i was at grandmas and the blue [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► beetle is high mayre s so hispanic [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► american teenager in San Antonio who [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► gets this suit and doesn't know what to [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► do with it [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► it's got all the things i love about [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► something like ultimate spider-man it's [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a kid who gets way too much power and [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► has to learn how to use it with a little [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► greatest american hero thrown in like I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► don't have the big worry did get they [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► didn't go to the instructions exactly so [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► that that's one that's a good example [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and that's the case of DC taking some [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► dormant intellectual property and [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► spinning out a new character a new story [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► that is not a white man in New York City [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and then i want to mention Marvel what [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► Marvel's doing with ghost rider which is [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► fascinating which is Ghost Rider is now [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► a Hispanic American as well and is it [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► and he's got a he's got a ghost car i've [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► only read the first couple issues but [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► it's really that's awesome it's like a [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► lowrider kind of ghost rider is it is [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► actually sounds good i think that was [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► liberated the first couple issues are [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► really great and and it is a it is let's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► do something with again it's a known [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► character who's had a bunch of different [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► there was like the original ghost rider [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► was a cowboy on a horse and then there's [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► the famous jhonni blaze [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► nicholas Nicholas hey version on the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► motorcycle accidents move that and get [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► ghostwriting transform you heard it here [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► first but that movies fun they make some [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► really neat choices in that movie but [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► but i really like okay this idea that [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► now there's another Reyes to its robbie [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► reyes and he's got a car and he's an [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► east LA and but it's still you know [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► demon and fire and all of that and it's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► just like you know that's a fun spin and [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► i love that like a writer's got a good [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► idea and and like I said about this kind [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► of brain drain of of indy creators not [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► wanting to bring new intellectual [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► property to Marvel and DC well this is [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► something that very clever people still [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► want to do which is play with the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► characters that they that they know and [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► like and that belong to Marvel and DC so [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► I love to see that kind of stuff playing [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► around with these characters like Blue [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► Beetle ghostwriter [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► yeah I i have a question for you guys so [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► if you think about like my frame of [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► references you know I was a teenager in [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the nineties so you want the things is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► it it seems like nerds have won [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► everything since then you know like you [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► couldn't really work in tech or be [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► interested in tact back then and now [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► it's completely mainstream everybody [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► loves it back then not everybody read [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► comic books and now everyone loves comic [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► books and I guess my question I would [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► ask you guys is it seems to me that a [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► cost of nerds having kind of one [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► everything is your got to share your [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► toys now to a certain extent you know [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► like now the audience for comic book [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► movies isn't you know a bunch of white [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► guys it's women it's african-americans [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► Latinos and you know especially is here [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► in the United States is becoming more [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► and more diverse I mean are you guys [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► going to be okay with you know the [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► heroes that we see reflecting that a [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► little more as for me i'm going to start [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► reading comics from the forties and just [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► going to go back to the 43 battle where [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► they're just sitting there you are going [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► to be amazed at Wonder Woman my fortress [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah i'm going to say you know [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► speaking of characters who are [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► surprisingly diverse 11 of the [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► characters I've loved in the last few [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► years is Renee Montoya who was created [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► for batman the animated series became [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► part of the comic book continuity and [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► then after Gotham Central and the 52 [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► became the question and and here is a [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► Hispanic lesbian woman as a masked hero [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► yeah and she's still going as far as i [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► know and i'll throw in Miguel O'Hara the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► spider-man 2099 which they recently [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► brought back and give him his own series [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► which unfortunately is very good but [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► it's another example is the Irish [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► Hispanic from the guy spider man from [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► the future so I I mean to Brianna answer [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► your question for me it's like it [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► doesn't bother me because like i said i [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► really love Jaime Reyes says the Blue [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► Beetle I thought that was really great [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► also by the way and it's not just that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► character but that that its not New York [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► City I thought that when they brought [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► scarlet spider spider was set in Houston [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► and they did about 20 issues there and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► it was just like and I I think they're [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► moving we're moving to San Francisco oh [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► they're moving iron man two San [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► Francisco like they move the x-men a few [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► years ago was like that's great not [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► because I you know I live near San [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► Francisco but because like it's nice to [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► get get tell some stories that aren't in [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► New York City it's almost always have [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► diversity with the x-men the Avengers [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► Fantastic Four [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► Power Man Iron Fist and Doctor Strange [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► all living things by water away from [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► stop attacking this city it's like [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► Greenwich Village you know it's just all [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► superheroes and not know now that not [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► all the artists live within like [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► somebody hire your downtown yard and [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► well actually I'm kind of familiar with [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► san francisco so i could draw a study [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► that its not New York oh wait that's [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► actually brought in [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► I'd like to mention what i think is one [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► of the most successful diversity [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► castings that there's kind of two kinds [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► of character recasting is there's the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► kind we normally talk about where a new [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► character is going to be this hero like [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► this people [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Spiderman was Peter Parker but now Miles [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► Morales is putting on the costume but [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► there's the other kind where they just [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► take a character and now this character [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► has a different background they usually [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► can't do that in regular continuity have [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► to wait for a reboot but when the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► ultimates series started they made nick [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► fury black right and it went great and [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► for once [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► nobody complained about it well because [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► I'm sure at the time somebody complained [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah no I I definitely complained [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► about it but not to but not because the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► character was made black but because the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► character is made in 2 samuel l jackson [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► which I which I thought was incredibly [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► lazy on the part of the artists to say [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► that will instead of creating and [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► creating a black man that we think that [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► will what will be cast appropriately for [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► this we're going to take someone that [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► everybody already knows and already [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► associated with being a real badass and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► therefore that will be a shortcut for me [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► as an artist I don't have to develop [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► this brand-new and as it turned out I is [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► all very act around now because that now [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► then they cast him as nick fury and now [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► it's like okay it's ya boy at the time [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► at the time it was let's draw this [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► character like an actor because it's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► shorthand for what this character is [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► going to be it's totally true [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► lazy lazy lazy but I think in try as [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► someone who draws for a living like I [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► had to want to create 3d models i have [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► to do create mathematical orthographic [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► sketches and I've never seen that is [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► laziness I've always liked a match [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► and in my mind that when they cast [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► someone for a Marvel movie they make [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► them come in and they take different [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► pictures of them from different [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► direction so they have reference [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► materials so the character looks [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► consistent so that's always been my take [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► on that I don't think there's a cynical [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► laziness about it what happened what [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► happened it looks exactly like Sam yeah [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► and it this predates the movies i'll buy [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► a long time they actually literally said [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► hey wouldn't it be cool if Samuel [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► Jackson was our new nick fury somebody [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► give him a call and see if he's okay [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► with it and then they drew it to look [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► like him and then what happens is like [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► five years later ten years later the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► calyx a standard Ricky yeah so okay yeah [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that's rapidly able yeah seems okay and [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► then and then of course what they did is [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► that was so successful that in the [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► mainstream Marvel university basically [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► introduced Nick Furies son [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► whoo-hoo he had with with an [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► african-american woman who's a black [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► Nick Fury and then said he's Nick Fury [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► jr. but will call him Nick Fury and then [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the old Nick three disappeared and it [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► was like let's just say that this is [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► nick fury ok because this is another one [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► of those things are I i wish that if I [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► will get the editors just had a little [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► bit had the guts to simply say [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► occasionally they'll be the first page [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► of comically just a little memo from the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► editors that saying yeah you know and I [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► know why we have what we decided to do [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► this it's all it's all for the good but [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► we're not going to pretend that there's [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► a whole story reason why we decided to [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► introduce this character but no it's [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► like hey Nick asterisk and at the bottom [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► it says nick is black now [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► ok I'm not Brandon Allen show along with [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► years ago George Burns came out and said [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► the guy who was playing our neighbor [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► isn't with us anymore [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► here's the new actor he's our neighbor [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► now and they just got on with ya [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► yep and but what I think is interesting [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► about the Nick Fury situation is there [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► are people out there complaining that [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► johnny storm is going to be a black [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► character or that heindall was a black [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► character and Thor right speaking of why [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► they don't seem to have noticed another [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► character mysteriously turning black on [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the way to the movies [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► that's all I wanted to say that that [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► actually does to me that invented that [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► addresses the question I think I don't [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► know if I've an opinion on whether [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► sharing the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► that comics becoming more mainstream [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► involves sharing a comic books with [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► people who are not by dudes I think it's [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► to me i think the larger the louder [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► voices that now we're sharing the comic [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► universe with people who are expecting [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► comic books to be more like movies and [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► more like TV shows and are not they [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► didn't grow up with the idea that ok [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► you're going to be following the story [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► for a year and a half and there's going [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► to be at least two or three years worth [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► of useful backstory behind it that [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► you're gonna have to sort of track [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► alongside I think that that's the bigger [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► influence now than the than anything [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► else but it's that bad [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► oh no well you know i would i would say [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► so because anything that anything that [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► brings and anything that makes a comic [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► book that people enjoy [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that's a great thing and if it makes a [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► hundred people enjoy this issue that's [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► that would not have enjoyed it before [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► that's a positive thing even if along [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► the way you choose off two or three [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► people who had buying that comic for [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► about two or three years it's all about [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► it and I think it's a kinetic there's a [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► continuity of people coming in and [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► people leaving if-if-if Marvel's [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► business plan is that we're gonna hook [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► somebody dates 13 and when that person [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► is 45 we're going to make sure that [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► we're still making that one person happy [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that's a good way to eventually have an [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► audience of 80 people i I'm very very [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► glad that they're even when the guy keep [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► coming in and out of certain marvel [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► comics i did have to stop reading [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► Fantastic Four i actually had to make it [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► a new mission rules saying no under no [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► circumstances Andy are you allowed to [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► buy another fantastic for comic because [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► every time you buy one now it you just [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► are never never pleased with it [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► I'm I i wish i could still read that [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► book because i've been reading it since [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► I was a teenager but i have to [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► acknowledge that if this makes if the [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► changes that they've done to this book [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► make it more approachable more readable [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and more importantly more relevant to a [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► 2014 audience i got absolutely no [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► complaints i got 20 years of real of a [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► lot of fun on this book it's it's so [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► selfish of me to expect a comment to [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► stay the way that I like it or only to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► introduce change that I approve of [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► I have fun i feel like it's a long time [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► comic book creator that kind of add them [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► flow is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► as is just part of being a comic book [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► creator i love x-23 i love female [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► Wolverine she's one of my favorite [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► characters in the entire x-men universe [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► but you know her one shots series there [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► was a certain point with that where i'm [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► like i just can't read this it's so [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► terrible we've all had moments like that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► and I don't know I feel like it's just [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that Evan flow of it that you you have [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► books that you like and they make [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► changes or no more frequently they don't [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► lose the really awesome artist and the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► quality of it takes a dive and Adela [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► didn't look at other books and you learn [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► different stories i think that's I think [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► that's the fun of being a comic book [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► reader is is never knowing when you go [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► to the store like what [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► awesome new series they're going to come [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► up with i think it's fine you know I [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► think a lot of reaction and I there two [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► reactions happening here i think it and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► when definitely one reaction is from [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► people who are upset because I at its [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► root they're not as interested in seeing [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► a woman be throws a man or a black man [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► be captain america as a white man i do [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► think those people exist but i do think [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► a lot of this is because the difference [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► between movies and comics when they say [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► Johnny Storm in the new Fantastic Four [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► movie is going to be Michael B Jordan [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► people some people will say things about [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► it but it's like you know like with you [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► know other examples where you are making [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► a new movie and you've cast in a [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► different direction [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► people will be like all right it's a [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► movie whatever because it's new and it's [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► not like the old movies and whatever but [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► with comics there is that that core of [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► like but wait a second this is supposed [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► to be the same guys before in the Nick [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► Fury example Nick Fury jr. is a great [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► example which is these kind of torturous [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► how do we make it fit and continuity as [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► opposed to just saying tella tell a good [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► story and I think that that is what what [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► makes people i unnecessarily may be [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► angry but I who am I to judge makes them [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► angry is because it is not just seen as [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► a creative choice for a particular work [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► but seen as being kind of a rewriting [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► our underwriting of this continuing [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► story that's been going on and I get it [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► but at the same time this is the this is [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► the challenge just like it's the [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► challenge for the star trek producers [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► when they said this is going to be an in [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► continuity reboot of Star Trek [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► is you can't just make Spock black in [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► the right mood if you do that because [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► you've said it's part of continuity and [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► the burden changes in the end up putting [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► Carol Marcus and the shuttlecraft and [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► just as a bra on and solve the problem [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► right uh release are adding a woman [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► right and i firmly believe that's why [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► they did it is that they wanted to add [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► another woman in the casket was only the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► 1i think it's also important not to [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► nuttin here somebody out when they have [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► an objection because you don't [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► necessarily know the reason why I [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► thought that Michael beat Michael [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► Michael B Jordan instantly made me [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► interested in the Fantastic Four right [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► now because I ice I've seen his movies [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► as soon as use i would not have I would [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► not have put them on a list of 10 people [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► that I would cast because I probably [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► would not be thinking about about a [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► black person in that role but while he [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► has exactly the right attitude exactly [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► the right personality his movies that [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► such perfect casting but nonetheless i [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► have to admit though who was who was the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► star trek voyager the black room and the [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► black welcome to talk to find the right [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► I'm right house i have to say that ice [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► I really that made the record group skip [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► for me because for me it was my 1st for [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► the 1st like eight episodes like but [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► every time the Paramount every time you [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► have cast an actor as a Vulcan not only [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► have you gone for a white person then [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► put the little greenish makeup on him [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► you always chosen the not only just bite [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► but the right the same sort of angular [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► sort of features and now you're giving [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► me the first Vulcan that does not look [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► anything like all of the Vulcans you've [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► seen before [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► is there a really big story but it was [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► it really take me well it was a while to [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► adjust that doesn't mean that all you [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► there's something wrong with this [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► decision is like it's your tell you've [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► told me something for 30 years and now [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► you're telling me something different [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► your story has changed now I don't know [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► why the pole looks like looks at all and [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► the kind of bony angular2 a little bit [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► too and enterprise so so okay voice your [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► expert [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► yes here with us different is it ever [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► address what justice is the real is the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► racial composition I don't know what [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► everybody is crazy is a racial [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► composition of Vulcan and Tuvok [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► being a dark-skinned instead of likes [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► can ever mentioned at all i've seen [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► every episode of voyager like 10 times i [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► do not remember that ever being an [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► interesting interesting yeah i I just I [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► mean I mean and he's not wrong they did [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► kind of cast like I want an emo a type [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► for every Vulcan that we would just be [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► honest i have i have never thought that [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► thought for even two seconds like the [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► being surprised at two boxes I think Tim [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► russets performance is dead on Vulcan [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► and he does yeah got over it it's just [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► that again i assume that at some point [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► that's going to be the episode in which [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► this is addressed to take me a few [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► episodes to get past that and start to [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► just say okay he's a Vulcan but for [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► reasons that don't matter this is [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► casting to typewrite and this is one of [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► the problems is when you have a legacy [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► of casting to type where the casting is [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► about we're going to the type is it's a [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► white man and now you're saying we all [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► right no well I will know and not quite [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► I mean it'sit's like imagine imagine [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► that they had a Klingon who did not have [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► ridges on his or her forehead and just [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► like that we don't talk about that all [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► series like this fighting i'm saying [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► that when they when they read when they [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► read it they simply said that that they [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► did again they didn't have to put that [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► little like it down parka master suite [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► realize first Star Trek fans we did not [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► have the technology to do really cool [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► makeup in the sixties so please accept [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► that all Klingons always look basically [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► what they did they said these are [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► Klingons now right yeah and then see [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► that I have to agree with you Jason [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► yeah I I just strongly have to agree [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► with you I i think that i think that [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► you're dealing with legacy problems [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► there in the problem is so many of these [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► characters star trek comics doctor who [TS]