00:00:01 ◼ ► We should probably start by explaining that for once this follow up will be very short. Well don't jump the gun. [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► No no I haven't even done my my first just listen through to make sure it sounded OK Who knows if Episode sixteen if it [TS]
00:00:40 ◼ ► went terribly. This might be a good sixteen feet didn't work out well that's a good thing. [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► Some of the seven tane no one including us has heard sixteen so there has been no faith back. [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► and less You've done a miracle of editing it will have included a very long section about flags. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Yes that's about all that's about all we know about it so we can't really apologize [TS]
00:01:06 ◼ ► or bask in the glory of what you thought of the previous episode. Yes The reason we know nothing. [TS]
00:01:12 ◼ ► This is once again we have this show as a little secret. Just like in the beginning. [TS]
00:01:17 ◼ ► Yeah I feel like this is once again it's like our private thing very briefly how is the show being recorded right now [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► But that's that's that's what we're doing now because you are going there next week. [TS]
00:01:33 ◼ ► I am is this a humble brag if I talk about like all the problems we're having with the podcast because I'm going away [TS]
00:01:41 ◼ ► Like all we have to do all this work this week because next week I'm going to Morocco a humble vice. [TS]
00:01:50 ◼ ► This week just been a total nightmare remind me not to book another luxury trip to Morocco. [TS]
00:01:56 ◼ ► So is this for pleasure as opposed to business it is just just. I'm an ex Atlas Mountains. [TS]
00:02:10 ◼ ► I am taking the I am going to take my camera because I'm hoping for clear skies and I'm going to try [TS]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and improve my astrophotography skills that will depend on various factors including how late I'm allowed to go [TS]
00:02:23 ◼ ► and take photos of stuff that's probably have to work like for holiday snaps and it probably is but that sounds lovely. [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► But yes I guess that that might be that might be a little bit of a humble brag to do that so I think it is [TS]
00:02:42 ◼ ► The Internet demands to know why we're recording them back to back so that that that happens to be true [TS]
00:02:49 ◼ ► and it feels kind of exhausting even before we've begun conversations with they can be like that right over there I was [TS]
00:03:00 ◼ ► but I thought you should know this is Thomas Elliot on Twitter said I just thought you guys should know that I bought a [TS]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Oh please do you negated let me check that it's not important I'm shutting up. Yeah whatever just go for it. [TS]
00:03:39 ◼ ► but I've actually just been doing all my administration so I I have a huge bag of shreddings that have just been done [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► the only things that remain I sitting right next to me is a big pile of tax documents which I definitely cannot shred [TS]
00:03:54 ◼ ► any of those. So so the right the reason you can't join in is because you have nothing to shred. Exactly. I. [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Don't think there is a piece of paper in this house that I could shred at the moment because I have just shredded all [TS]
00:04:17 ◼ ► And that was someone was saying that you can't recycle shredded stuff shredding So whatever the word is for post [TS]
00:04:25 ◼ ► shredded shreddings something like How can you recycle that stuff I don't know I don't know I have no idea what are you [TS]
00:04:34 ◼ ► doing with your as you said you got in recycling bags I mean of the bags I put it in and let me ask Mr Google [TS]
00:04:40 ◼ ► and see what he has to say about this is a look at Google always know it's almost creepy sometimes how much Google [TS]
00:04:50 ◼ ► Why yes Google that is exactly what I was looking for but it's a little creepy that you guessed so quickly. [TS]
00:04:59 ◼ ► or not paper can be shredded I am not going to check my local council they are going to check that out. [TS]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Well fine fine fine I will tell you what it is so I'm going to call this exactly is of advice right now let me say type [TS]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I can guarantee that it can't be recycled by my count so why a council are very strict about what can [TS]
00:05:38 ◼ ► and also you can see them shouting at people's houses when they make mistakes. Quaint when they were alone. [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► I was too busy to look at my own problems I realised you were just describing sounds crazy. [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► or you were like doing I was personally ministration Yeah I was sort of listening and part of my rant anyway it was. [TS]
00:06:03 ◼ ► Now it's Wait this is the impression I got you haven't you have an open bin which you have to put on it [TS]
00:06:13 ◼ ► or not because their truck has got all these like sub bins so you've got a tub with everything we saw a couple [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► and I'll take out the glass and they'll take out the paper so they sort of make and mix on the side of the road. [TS]
00:06:26 ◼ ► That sounds crazy. That sounds crazy and labor intensive. Well someone's got to do it at some point I guess. [TS]
00:06:38 ◼ ► This will turn into a paper cuts to the para ten I'm going to find this answer I'm going [TS]
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00:08:37 ◼ ► But you did message me and said Anything you'd like to talk about and I was walking my dog at the time. [TS]
00:08:44 ◼ ► The much loved one who is sleeping by my side as we speak as she always does get to sleep so to my face [TS]
00:08:53 ◼ ► and I thought we never talked about pets. Have you ever had pets did you grow up with pets. [TS]
00:08:59 ◼ ► Where do you stand on the issue of pets. Is there an issue to be to be stood upon here. [TS]
00:09:09 ◼ ► Well I mean you have an opinion on most things surely have an opinion on the merits of humans having pets I mean are [TS]
00:09:15 ◼ ► you asking me Do you dislike dogs I mean what is that the question that was your question. Unless that was just a fact. [TS]
00:09:25 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I grew up with I guess the do it the way most people would describe them as little dogs you know a tiny [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► or dog's little yappy dogs little you happy dogs yes they were Yorkies Yorkshire terriers as I end up with so very [TS]
00:09:50 ◼ ► I liked it the pets predated me they were there before I arrived and then when I was a hive. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► We got a cat which was that was a nice addition to the family kept a very damn dog obviously So thumbs up to pet [TS]
00:10:07 ◼ ► growing up with pets I guess I mean obviously you don't have pets now because you live in a small place in the city [TS]
00:10:21 ◼ ► Yeah I say under different circumstances I'd love love to have him in particular have a dog. [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► But yeah it is just it is not practical given our current living situation is just it wouldn't it wouldn't be fair to [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► Although I have to say obviously enough people do I mean if you go for a walk in any of the parks in London there's [TS]
00:10:54 ◼ ► but I would feel bad having a dog in the size flat that we have I don't I just don't think it would be fair so it's not [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► it's not possible at the moment but why would you like to have one if you had to pick a place what to eat. [TS]
00:11:05 ◼ ► What would it add to your life which is all that efficiencies and making sure everything has a benefit to it. [TS]
00:11:12 ◼ ► What would it add to your life that is missing at the moment I see what you're trying to read you putting you're [TS]
00:11:17 ◼ ► putting you're putting words into my mouth I even have things that you just like who doesn't like a dog. [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► Monsters like dog fighting is just. Who could look into a dog you know little doggy eyes and be like me. [TS]
00:11:30 ◼ ► Thumbs down don't prove that all and no dogs look into your eyes you look at their eyes [TS]
00:11:35 ◼ ► and it's like oh I just feel happier now and the dog wags its little tail and you give it a rub [TS]
00:11:42 ◼ ► and dogs we have a we have a symbiotic relationship that goes back thousands of years. [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► I think this is an unfair line of questioning because I think it's been well established in previous episodes that even [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► though there are things you like or can appreciate the merits of you don't want them in your space unless they can try. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Something to your you know you OK and go A dog will contribute to the net some happiness in a day. [TS]
00:12:09 ◼ ► Good that's the way I thought I would phrase it if you if you if you want to if you want something like that out of me [TS]
00:12:22 ◼ ► or do you think you'd sort of UPS I think it scale up your cues are a little small the problem is that the bigger the [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► I would be trying to fight like optimize this calculus equation of like a larger dog [TS]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and responsibilities like what is the sweet spot here for four dogs I have to tell you what I mean you know obviously [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► people have children will love this conversation but dogs are a big responsibility [TS]
00:12:59 ◼ ► and dogs dogs can be a bigger responsibility than children because you have to have someone look after the dog. [TS]
00:13:07 ◼ ► but you bring them with with you know is go wherever people go you can do that with the dogs. [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► and expected to be able to feed itself if you have a competent child they should be able to do that. Yeah this is true. [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Yeah you know. I'm sure we will hear from parents. There is not going to be fine with that. [TS]
00:13:37 ◼ ► We had these two little poodles and they were cute little dogs and you know we really love them [TS]
00:13:48 ◼ ► and family things we couldn't take these two dogs anymore so my dad was tasked with finding a new home for them. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Folks and had like a family moment together and gave them a hug and it was explained to me [TS]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and I wasn't particularly young This time I must attain in my early teens I think one of the in my early teens you know [TS]
00:14:14 ◼ ► It was explained that the two of them were going together to a really nice farm where they could live happily together [TS]
00:14:21 ◼ ► and run around on the farm and have a much nicer life right and a farm. Yes So it is so anyway. [TS]
00:14:28 ◼ ► Like obviously as life goes on I learnt that taking dogs to the fire is the cliche that you say children learn so they [TS]
00:14:40 ◼ ► but I still just totally believe that my two dogs didn't go to a farm and like I would look at the story [TS]
00:14:46 ◼ ► and I would say isn't that funny like that's a funny story and it's even funnier because my dogs really did [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and that's how I would tell the story and then it was and it's only been in the last five [TS]
00:14:56 ◼ ► or six years like I was telling my wife you know it's so funny you know dogs go to farms and that [TS]
00:15:01 ◼ ► but really my two dogs did go to an ad she just looked at me and said your dogs but you know what I have. [TS]
00:15:30 ◼ ► and he pages every time tells me No no I really did I went to some you know maybe they did at this stage there's still [TS]
00:15:42 ◼ ► and then my dad has this into a couple of these podcasts maybe maybe this will bring the truth to a head. [TS]
00:15:49 ◼ ► Oh yeah they will have a feed back on the farm situation yeah yeah I've been living in my head still on that fire [TS]
00:16:06 ◼ ► and kids if you're listening to the podcast it's the truth what I'm about to say is a total lie. [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► She tell kids this lie so that they can for ever imagine that oh you know maybe scuffles is really old [TS]
00:16:22 ◼ ► but you know you never have to really face the inevitable loss of a pet which is tragic [TS]
00:16:27 ◼ ► and especially if you're looking at it have no no frame of reference to understand this kind of stuff on the farm. [TS]
00:16:40 ◼ ► but I like that it is only recently that you've come to realize one of these one of these lies. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► But I'm fifty fifty right right now and yeah yeah I understand I understand. But I tell you what I do. [TS]
00:17:20 ◼ ► The greyhound racing industry has a terrible reputation slash track record for not caring for Greyhounds [TS]
00:17:35 ◼ ► or they've realized for public relations purposes they can't do what I've done in the past they have started funding [TS]
00:17:48 ◼ ► So I guess part of me thinks greyhound racing isn't really a really nice thing to do. [TS]
00:17:53 ◼ ► And they're not treating the dogs well enough so you know part of me thinks. C'mon I should support grey. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► And I sing it anyway but when I got lonely I used to service where you could look up your dogs like racing career [TS]
00:18:24 ◼ ► but the first time I visited you in your house you know you were not in the door three minutes before her you like the [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► proudest parent in the world had come over here and let me show you a race that my dog Lulu one like a champion. [TS]
00:18:46 ◼ ► I just I only thought I was embarrassed when it was a great win because she was behind the two laps [TS]
00:18:55 ◼ ► but I I thought this was the funniest thing that I was like oh yeah we're in the house look at that. [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► but here C'mere let me let me show you the baby pictures right that was basically what was that situation I mean in my [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► No but now it's what you want you are a man who loves his dog and appreciates his dog skill [TS]
00:19:15 ◼ ► and I can I can get behind that one hundred percent sure it was the first she knew it was so genuine that I was you [TS]
00:19:23 ◼ ► know it just it just really made me smile. I mean part of the reason that comes up so early. [TS]
00:19:32 ◼ ► when you come into the house the first thing that has to be dealt with is the dog because Lily doesn't like go up to [TS]
00:19:40 ◼ ► and near them so the first conversation point whenever anyone comes into my house for the first time is the dog whether [TS]
00:19:48 ◼ ► it's you know I'm sorry she's very scared she won't come near me you know yes she can pass her she won't mind she's [TS]
00:19:53 ◼ ► just a bit scared. So the dog is always the first conversation point and some of us into the house so it is a very. [TS]
00:20:03 ◼ ► and someone will say oh you know she rescued to she used to race you know the video is going to come out fairly I don't [TS]
00:20:10 ◼ ► think there was any way in which the conversation was lending itself towards the race thing as I remember it we walked [TS]
00:20:17 ◼ ► in the door and they were like look at my beautiful dog fellow you know a very very good [TS]
00:20:24 ◼ ► and you had it all set up already on the computer if I remember that snow you are clearly prepared to order the left [TS]
00:20:32 ◼ ► It was there on the projector on the wall and if you were using and you just hit the play button and it just went [TS]
00:20:39 ◼ ► and we sat down in the viewing chairs specifically for the race like you had a glorious it was glorious. [TS]
00:20:50 ◼ ► Three other neighbors can see every time every thing they have. I'm sure they have I don't doubt that at all. [TS]
00:20:59 ◼ ► But it was it was very charming. It was a very charming experience and well it was a very good talk. Thank you. [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► Yeah you totally put that on You Tube I'm amazed you don't have like a lulu Lulu corner You Tube channel. [TS]
00:21:20 ◼ ► Something just a video to Lulu. You could make your one of those internet famous dogs. [TS]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Well you know it's funny she's appeared in I have got I have put some videos on You Tube of her running in slow motion [TS]
00:21:33 ◼ ► when I was sort of testing things with my camera but if you sent me those as well. [TS]
00:21:40 ◼ ► OK And I was going to say something really interesting and it's completely fallen out of my head. [TS]
00:21:47 ◼ ► That's because the image of Lulu running slow motion taking like are such a good dog. She's sick and she's quiet. [TS]
00:22:19 ◼ ► And part way through in the background she sort of stands up and turns around and lies back down. [TS]
00:22:27 ◼ ► But obviously that draws the eye of some people who are looking in the background an extraordinary number of people [TS]
00:22:33 ◼ ► have comments on the video and a very high proportion of them were amazed because they thought she was a DIA [TS]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Let's just put it all in a very tall dog and she sort of colored for a forty caliber [TS]
00:22:49 ◼ ► but I don't know what people thought that like who has a deer in the house sleeping next to the sofa. [TS]
00:22:56 ◼ ► I guess I guess a caveman would have a pet deer in his house. That's me if I do have a house in my house down. [TS]
00:23:08 ◼ ► Antlers all of which I do know that was going to be and that was in the house now I think about it. [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Anyway good luck you're enjoying this way too much what were your dogs called when you were young. [TS]
00:23:24 ◼ ► What were their names. The dogs I grew up with were Smokey and pepper when I was little kid which did you like better. [TS]
00:23:44 ◼ ► As again little little Yooper dogs can be very you know they end up becoming just not for their own good kind of [TS]
00:23:51 ◼ ► obsessively worried and cautious about everybody who is not a member of the family [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► You know market people and didn't like anybody at all coming over the house and then [TS]
00:24:09 ◼ ► and we had another dog came in called Scarlets who was there for most of my middle school and high school years [TS]
00:24:25 ◼ ► but she she has come after I moved away so it doesn't feel like she's not my dog she's my parents' dog [TS]
00:24:31 ◼ ► but I'm always very happy to visit her. So those are the dogs. Yuki's Well I know she is a. [TS]
00:24:49 ◼ ► She looked like then out on how much she is a she is a multi who a multi pro I was trying to she is one of these these [TS]
00:24:58 ◼ ► crazy crazy poodle crossbreed you know they breed everything with poodles these days I think because you can end up [TS]
00:25:04 ◼ ► with it with the adorable poo suffix taze and a terrier and a total of a multi poo and this is a million dog breeds. [TS]
00:25:13 ◼ ► I suppose and I couldn't say I say hold on look it up because of this little Going to ridiculous poodle. [TS]
00:25:21 ◼ ► We should just rename this podcast. Listen to Grey Goose stuff. Yeah listen to me read stuff on the Internet. [TS]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Yeah the has the Dr Doodle which is a boxer poodle with a chai pooh the Chihuahua poodle mix the cockatoo into the [TS]
00:25:44 ◼ ► country spaniel poodle mix corgi poo obvious what's going on there so you have the double Doodle which is [TS]
00:26:06 ◼ ► So you get the double duty of the tricks that I could get this list goes on forever. [TS]
00:26:13 ◼ ► Fox Hudl which is the foxhound poodle I swear to god they make these dogs just to come up with some clever name I think [TS]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and dogs can you I didn't think you could you know it's a foxhound it's not a lot as well as it makes you kind of great [TS]
00:26:32 ◼ ► I think I think that's how they were also some of the other day and I was saying oh what kind of dogs that [TS]
00:26:37 ◼ ► and they said it was Pat Fox and I I didn't think I would be I don't know I mean maybe I don't know [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► but I would bet they don't know what their dog is the thing the thing that you can have is these half breeds. [TS]
00:27:03 ◼ ► Like it seems like you know I would you know what little I was going to say what is that. [TS]
00:27:09 ◼ ► Show off your caveman skills you're like me in a room with a wolf and I'll just you know read a book [TS]
00:27:13 ◼ ► and not even give him a second glance because I guess because they're not where I grew up like you know I don't like [TS]
00:27:20 ◼ ► you know what the hell does this kind of terrifying animal and to me like they just like an animal [TS]
00:27:26 ◼ ► and like any animal that is like you know big and has taste I wouldn't want to get back on the wrong side. [TS]
00:27:36 ◼ ► and you're a dope it's mixed with a wolf was to me that just sounds like a curiosity [TS]
00:27:40 ◼ ► and I wonder what that would be like I have no I have my instinct isn't to be afraid of the sound of it. [TS]
00:27:49 ◼ ► and it's something obviously you know the ship shows a different cultural backgrounds. [TS]
00:27:56 ◼ ► But after having seen some videos of them and some pictures of them. That is terrifying. [TS]
00:28:02 ◼ ► Like nobody nobody should do that these things are just huge and very very hard to tame. [TS]
00:28:09 ◼ ► It's supposed to be like you take you know like Malamutes Alaskan sled dogs are famous for being very very hard to [TS]
00:28:24 ◼ ► and then basically the wolf cross breeds are like almost nobody can reliably train these things [TS]
00:28:31 ◼ ► and so you know you have to like muzzle them if you go outside as like what are you doing with the wolf humans we spent [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► like ten thousand years domesticating these things to make them not wolves. You're going you're going backwards. [TS]
00:28:45 ◼ ► This is not the direction of the progress progress is clearly brutalizing everything. It's also finding the dogs right. [TS]
00:28:54 ◼ ► That's that's what progress is. But this is I think one of the most adorable times here. Peekaboo a Pekinese poodle. [TS]
00:29:03 ◼ ► Any more pay to cross his name do you want to share with the audience for ourselves as we learn issues I think this is [TS]
00:29:10 ◼ ► a weighty issue. I'll put a list in I was a schnoodle of course the Scottish terrier poodle. Either way the bugaboo. [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► Same for how do they even do that I hope that was done out officially because that would have been I swear I have to I [TS]
00:29:41 ◼ ► and you think how did they get that you our St Bernard mix in one thousand nine hundred ninety worry [TS]
00:29:47 ◼ ► and that I say St Bernard and mining the shortfall was last May and says St Bernard. Look at. [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► but she always laughs so that this on if your wife is the season's episode I am not laughing at you I have never heard [TS]
00:30:21 ◼ ► Well I mean you are American I mean and you do you have a track record of taking sort of European names [TS]
00:30:27 ◼ ► and Americanizing them. Notre Dame Notre Dame Yeah I mean you don't call the church in Paris that day. [TS]
00:30:57 ◼ ► Saint Bernard to make them sound like they're fussy old men that's what that's like to sound like if they're a bunch of [TS]
00:31:02 ◼ ► Bernard says I Go look in this chair and he doesn't want to be bothered. You know St Bernard is like a noble dog. [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and now he's unhappy that that the St Bernard you know you need to get a dog I hear I hear a happiness come to you [TS]
00:31:24 ◼ ► I want I want to walk into your house and have you shown me videos of your dog. First thing all set up. Yeah. [TS]
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00:34:04 ◼ ► So we would like to thank square space for their continued support Squarespace everything you need to create an [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► We finished off the last episode by giving people a homework assignment which they may [TS]
00:34:23 ◼ ► H Yes G R as opposed to those various other spellings of her I think it's a hard movie title to say it is so much that [TS]
00:34:33 ◼ ► you need to clarify. Yes that is the title of that yes that is a title it's not spelled in a funny way. [TS]
00:34:38 ◼ ► I was aware of the same thing too it's there's something about of the does not stick in the mind. [TS]
00:34:49 ◼ ► All right we can talk where we go here you started on them I got a message for me a week or two ago. I think so. [TS]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Yes I had seen the film quite a while ago now and the reason I saw it was my wife watched it and completely loved it [TS]
00:35:18 ◼ ► and so the next time we were together we were part of the time because she was traveling. [TS]
00:35:23 ◼ ► So the next time we were together we watched it was her second viewing and my first viewing. [TS]
00:35:37 ◼ ► and I knew you want to talk about it on the podcast I watched it for the second time with her with with my wife who was [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► Have you just watched at the one so have you did you watch a second time I just watched a bill once [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I messaged you because I thought Oh if you have seen this this might be something interesting to talk about. [TS]
00:36:06 ◼ ► Yeah there were lots of times watching I thought oh that'd be interesting to talk about [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and as is that way with me I've got to say I'm sure they will come back into my head as I'm going to find out where you [TS]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and I are so different because what was once you said oh I did see the movie you know we can we can talk about it I [TS]
00:36:33 ◼ ► I should have just watched it again and taken notes I probably spent the same amount of time just thinking about it [TS]
00:36:41 ◼ ► and were just completely different people so I'm leaning on you to remember all of your interesting points. [TS]
00:36:47 ◼ ► Expect So who's going to have the job of explaining what the Navy is about for the benefit of people who have not [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► I can actually I was just I was just about to say I cannot imagine that anybody will continue onward with the podcast [TS]
00:37:02 ◼ ► from this point if they haven't done their homework and haven't watched the movie I would [TS]
00:37:06 ◼ ► but I just I knew the reason I stopped myself as I was just thinking what I said on the previous podcast is that the [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► Red Letter media guys they have a series called half in the bag or it's them reviewing movies [TS]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and I realized I spent a very enjoyable day watching their reviews probably for half of the movies at least I hadn't [TS]
00:37:25 ◼ ► ever seen them and I didn't care. It didn't make any difference to me. I watched it anyway so. [TS]
00:37:30 ◼ ► There are people who would be interested in listening so I withdraw my statement that you can make because I didn't I [TS]
00:37:37 ◼ ► made in my mind but didn't actually make out loud but still feel the need to withdraw from. [TS]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and honest movie trailers which are two of my favorite kind of guilty pleasure type channels [TS]
00:37:52 ◼ ► and I enjoy watching I don't watch their videos about films I haven't St bucks if they spoke before could take a day [TS]
00:38:02 ◼ ► I only watch them if I know the film that maybe that maybe there is a different genre. [TS]
00:38:17 ◼ ► I don't I don't really care at all I'm I'm happy to listen to what they're talking about so let me start out this [TS]
00:38:24 ◼ ► and then maybe you can pick it up because I have because I want to start with talking about watching movies in general [TS]
00:38:33 ◼ ► and yes I saw this movie Under what I think are ideal movie watching conditions which is basically I was at home my [TS]
00:38:47 ◼ ► She was looking through some stuff and she picked a movie and she put it on and said it was her. [TS]
00:38:53 ◼ ► And I knew you had no say. You had no say in this whatsoever. You didn't know anything. [TS]
00:39:02 ◼ ► I am sitting there my wife put on a movie and I'm going into it knowing nothing about the movie. [TS]
00:39:08 ◼ ► For whatever reason I had never heard about the movie if it hadn't crossed my radar in the past [TS]
00:39:14 ◼ ► and I don't even have any idea what it is is it going to be a funny movie is it going to be a horror movie I have no [TS]
00:39:22 ◼ ► and I really think that this is the ideal movie viewing experience for all the movies pretty much any movie that is attempting [TS]
00:39:34 ◼ ► to be good this is the way that you should watch it and I feel the same way about books as well. [TS]
00:39:39 ◼ ► I don't read a lot of fiction books to be honest but when I do my preference is to know nothing about the book [TS]
00:39:49 ◼ ► Now of course the problem is you don't get this optimal experience very often because the very act of Oh let's watch a [TS]
00:39:56 ◼ ► movie involve some kind of self reflection about what do we feel like watching us. [TS]
00:40:02 ◼ ► And then you kind of ruin it for yourself so very rarely do I actually get to watch a movie like this. [TS]
00:40:09 ◼ ► and for people who haven't done it one of the reasons why I particularly think this is great is because so many movies [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► even if you just give the briefest of all possible descriptions of the movie it already tells you what the setup is. [TS]
00:40:31 ◼ ► when you watch a movie just knowing nothing the first twenty minutes of almost every movie are basically the set up [TS]
00:40:41 ◼ ► but if you don't know what the real movie is you experience the first twenty minutes in a totally different way. [TS]
00:40:48 ◼ ► And so the way this movie Her opens up is with a guy and they're sort of showing you his life [TS]
00:40:56 ◼ ► and he has this sort of little job and he lives alone and he's playing video games [TS]
00:41:03 ◼ ► and you can see very quickly oh this is sort of the near future it's not a super futuristic world [TS]
00:41:16 ◼ ► and the impression that I get from movie is they're sort of showing you that his life is kind of sad [TS]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and yet I make it clear from the start I think that he's going through a divorce too. [TS]
00:41:31 ◼ ► Yeah there is definitely like a sadness and a melancholy around the guy and when you watch a movie [TS]
00:41:36 ◼ ► and you know nothing about it you said the only thing that's interesting I wonder if the whole movie is just going to [TS]
00:41:42 ◼ ► be kind of this guy's sad life or maybe this is going to turn into a very different kind of movie I don't know [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► and you can can you can I interrupt for just because you were you reminded me of a story I'd like to tell [TS]
00:42:06 ◼ ► but my my dad who is a newspaper journalist was also a film critic on the newspaper he worked at for a long time I did [TS]
00:42:17 ◼ ► when I was old enough East always take me along so I'd quite often just go to empty cinemas and watch a film like two [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► or three weeks before it would come out he had a really good relationship with the people that ran the cinemas [TS]
00:42:29 ◼ ► and one of them one of the guys who ran the big cinema complex in Australia where I grew up. [TS]
00:42:34 ◼ ► Phoned my dad one day and said I've just seen a film and it's like no other film I've ever saying you have to come [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► So my dad went to the cinema this huge cinema I like on his own in the middle of the night [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► and the car that ran the cinema put the film on and showed it to him because I had just blown him away. [TS]
00:42:59 ◼ ► That film was Raiders of the Lost Ark and this if you didn't know what that film was going to be like at that time [TS]
00:43:09 ◼ ► Yeah so it's a shock to this guy that he had to show my dad and then my dad watched it and he was shocked [TS]
00:43:16 ◼ ► and I remember him coming home and saying to like you know I was I was very young and him walking in [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► What was it what was it cold and he said it's called Raiders of the Lost Ark and I'm like oh what was that about. [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► And he said this is amazing adventure and like he told a bit about what happens just [TS]
00:43:42 ◼ ► and at the end he goes into this big like you know cave or cabin and he actually sees that from the Bible [TS]
00:43:56 ◼ ► and then I had to have explained to me that there are actually two arcs in the Bible. [TS]
00:44:01 ◼ ► But that you telling that story does remind me that if you are unprepared for a film that's really different. [TS]
00:44:07 ◼ ► It can be a really amazing experience it can be like a real it can really affect you for a long time [TS]
00:44:13 ◼ ► and I still remember I still remember that film affecting my dad who would say that two or three films awake [TS]
00:44:19 ◼ ► and he was just blown away by something yeah yeah yeah that's that's definitely the case if it's especially something [TS]
00:44:25 ◼ ► like you know raise a Lost Ark it's a really great movie that can be a forever life experience for you. [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► What I did I did want to say that and thought maybe that was overstating the case but maybe it's not now [TS]
00:44:40 ◼ ► and the not knowing anything magnifies it in this way that it is just hard it is hard to describe [TS]
00:44:49 ◼ ► and I guess if I were trying to buy the problem with knowing anything about the premise. [TS]
00:44:55 ◼ ► when I watch movies even if I know just the bare minimum about them in the opening twenty minutes is a bit like I'm [TS]
00:45:03 ◼ ► Yet there's there's there's work to be done here OK the director has to establish who are these characters that it out [TS]
00:45:14 ◼ ► but if it feels like you know what are we we're waiting for the real thing to happen [TS]
00:45:23 ◼ ► and what I particularly like is not even knowing the cast for example is this going to be a major character is a minor [TS]
00:45:29 ◼ ► character other people going to show up all of that all of that really adds to it. [TS]
00:45:34 ◼ ► And yeah yeah actually I don't know I was going to have a I have a second example which is this a B. [TS]
00:45:49 ◼ ► Yes cos you OK I don't I just buy one just in case I mean this whole thing major spoiler warning does [TS]
00:45:54 ◼ ► and that's I think if you're watching this I think that that was implied when we're going. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Spend it at the top or talking about the movie but mine are spoilt by the warning for the movie Seven. [TS]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and it just so happened that like none of the main movies that he thought were going to make his career had come out [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► but they were all coming out the same summer as seven but seven was was the third movie coming out [TS]
00:46:28 ◼ ► and you know he negotiated to actually not have him have first billing in the credits when the movie opens. [TS]
00:46:42 ◼ ► But yeah he was figuring enough people would know who he was that they would have the same kind of experience of if [TS]
00:46:47 ◼ ► you're watching the movie Seven and you know Kevin Spacey is in it and you were forty five minutes into the movie [TS]
00:46:54 ◼ ► but you haven't seen Kevin Spacey. It totally changes. Yes periods of watching that movie. [TS]
00:47:01 ◼ ► and it was out of giving it was because of the usual suspects wasn't in which case yes that's what it was like such [TS]
00:47:08 ◼ ► that central Cairo where you know everything pivots around him as it does in seven so that's what it was. [TS]
00:47:14 ◼ ► Yes And so and so that's why I don't even want to know the cast I don't want to know if people are major characters [TS]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and minor characters just just let it come at me. And everything is so much more interesting in the openings. [TS]
00:47:24 ◼ ► So yeah the opening set of this movie they show the sky is the near future. Phone technology is much better. [TS]
00:47:31 ◼ ► Computer technology is much better but are you living this kind of sad life and you're playing video games [TS]
00:47:38 ◼ ► and he's got this job his job is which sort of works well in the film his job is writing love letters on behalf of [TS]
00:47:46 ◼ ► other people that's a little it's an industry where people who haven't got time to write love letters to their [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► He's yeah he's got this reputation for writing these very heartfelt letters between tapes. [TS]
00:48:06 ◼ ► when movies are set in the near future they kind of bypass the notion of what people do where they just have some kind [TS]
00:48:12 ◼ ► but I thought oh this is interesting I can imagine this sort of job existing the people are hired to write custom love [TS]
00:48:22 ◼ ► but both people know that like maybe it's not the actual person writing it I found that I found it very believable. [TS]
00:48:34 ◼ ► So so as things are going on here comes the moment in the movie which if you told the premise you're waiting for [TS]
00:48:40 ◼ ► but I'm just sitting there I have no idea what happens which is he's an advertisement for an upgrade to his operating [TS]
00:48:53 ◼ ► and it's going to be kind of amazing personal assistants that will organize his whole life as called O S one which I [TS]
00:49:02 ◼ ► Let's try to make it sound as Applebee as possible without actually you know copyright infringement here. [TS]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Yeah I mean at this point it's also probably worth highlighting how technology has slightly evolved in this very near [TS]
00:49:44 ◼ ► and it's sort of in your head in this little ear buds on the voice of your operating system is in your head [TS]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and your operating system is sort of talking to you constantly telling you you've got this happening this is a message [TS]
00:49:58 ◼ ► do you want me to do this. Yes. So so it seems most people have these kind of quite perfunctory if that's the word. [TS]
00:50:07 ◼ ► Operating systems where they kind of I just think you know like a Tom-Tom having told you know you do you want to do [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► But this new operating system is supposed to take things to the next level right to the next level itself aware that [TS]
00:50:24 ◼ ► it's like really speaking to a human as opposed to speaking to like the best version of Siri that could possibly exist. [TS]
00:50:40 ◼ ► and this is this is where I love not knowing the cast because he starts talking to the operating system [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► Who is this girl and then all of a sudden oh that's Scarlett Johansen Scarlett Johansson is it is in his computer [TS]
00:50:58 ◼ ► and that kind of experience is just is just much better where it is this little moment of who is that person [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► and then she says something like Oh right that's the kind of she's like this friction in her voice I don't quite know [TS]
00:51:08 ◼ ► how to describe it but suddenly it clicks and like our rights culture has and there she is. [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► And so then this is how the movie proceeds from this point is Scarlett Johansen how lives in his computer she is [TS]
00:51:24 ◼ ► and you have all of these e-mails we can delete most of these but here are the important ones to keep. [TS]
00:51:30 ◼ ► and so the now this is sort of the premise of the real movie starting here is the relationship between this kind of sad [TS]
00:51:39 ◼ ► lonely guy and the operating system inside his computer and we notice there's no there's no physical form [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Yeah and yeah it's sort of but it's a very personal relationship that develops between the operating system [TS]
00:51:54 ◼ ► and the person who really gets to know you very quickly. Yes and sort of customize it. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► So for today the perfect match here. Yes well that's a basic outline of the premise. [TS]
00:52:04 ◼ ► So now I want I want to ask you Brady What are your overall thoughts of this movie. [TS]
00:52:13 ◼ ► We've intentionally avoided talking about it yet what do you what do you use this is your second last year of the movie. [TS]
00:52:19 ◼ ► I I mean we haven't discussed what that happens in the film which is the crucial part of the film as well obviously [TS]
00:52:29 ◼ ► We still let me just set it up but But what are your overall impression like my overall impression. [TS]
00:52:35 ◼ ► Well on a filmmaking level I think it was just brilliant to look at the stars in the static of it was amazing [TS]
00:52:45 ◼ ► and I thought the plot story excellent the performances are excellent I think it was definitely one of the one of the [TS]
00:52:56 ◼ ► films of the year you know it won a lot of awards it could have won more. I loved it in every way. [TS]
00:53:03 ◼ ► I didn't love it as much as my wife did who was complete is completely the subject for that [TS]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and watching it the second time with my kind of this is for a pod cast with gray sensibility. [TS]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Yeah yeah because I I think this is like if there was any film that I would have felt confident appeals to you. [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► Well it is this film for various reasons which I'm sure we'll discuss and maybe I'm terribly wrong. [TS]
00:53:44 ◼ ► Maybe I'm wrong but I did think you know the first time I watched this was before we started doing this podcast. [TS]
00:53:53 ◼ ► Right right that the second time if I'd watched it while we're doing the podcast it would have been me texting you [TS]
00:53:58 ◼ ► saying. OK if you think of it it's another the reason why I sent you the message and I said Have you seen this. [TS]
00:54:07 ◼ ► We should talk about this is because I think this movie to me is like a pax example of a movie that told Elise [TS]
00:54:42 ◼ ► and the script writer clearly didn't care about this movie so why should I care about this movie it's just a bad movie. [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► But this is a movie that I thought it's interesting to discuss because one of the things I really appreciated about [TS]
00:55:11 ◼ ► I love I love the the whole look of the future of it the scriptwriter Chris clearly cares. [TS]
00:55:17 ◼ ► I'm going to call in Phoenix because I can't pronounce his first name but the main the main actor. [TS]
00:55:30 ◼ ► Mr Phoenix toehold really carries this movie and has a terribly difficult acting job which is that he is [TS]
00:55:39 ◼ ► and I'm just trying to imagine the difficulty of this as an actor if he has to yes to portray all of these emotions. [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► and I mean I don't even know what they were doing if they just if they had Scarlett Johansson on set [TS]
00:55:56 ◼ ► or if they were just like I've you know I do know what they were doing. I'm curious I'm curious now. [TS]
00:56:03 ◼ ► but what did they do it was usually there wasn't Scarlet Johannsen she wasn't originally going to pay the voice I think [TS]
00:56:09 ◼ ► was Samantha Morton I think it was another tragedy I'm doing and Scarlett Johansson was parachuted in afterwards [TS]
00:56:22 ◼ ► and I believe she was in a sort of a sealed box separately so she was interacting with him live. [TS]
00:56:30 ◼ ► and Spike Jones the director was quite insistent about not seeing each other as well apparently. [TS]
00:56:36 ◼ ► I think I think that's a good decision I think that a good decision because it it's like I said Mr Phoenix had a [TS]
00:56:43 ◼ ► and there throughout the whole movie I thought I'm really impressed with this guy who took me about two thirds of the [TS]
00:56:54 ◼ ► He's the evil thumbs down Emperor from Gladiator and that's you know his guy is I've seen this a hundred times [TS]
00:57:01 ◼ ► but I just I couldn't place him because he was doing such a good job of sort of like being withdrawn and in himself [TS]
00:57:10 ◼ ► and talking to the computers are like thumbs up Mr Phoenix that was great really well exactly and he's a good actor. [TS]
00:57:16 ◼ ► Some good stuff I have said I haven't seen him in any other things aside from being Or maybe I have you know as he was [TS]
00:57:22 ◼ ► writing any Cash in Walk the Line and I didn't see that and he learned that his in one of the [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and Sharon films before they got really bad when I asked him one and I was at that point with the trees one [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► So for me one so I'm never giving you a second of my thought ever again. It's not scary at all. [TS]
00:57:53 ◼ ► Anyway that's why I thought like the bad movies that are just not worth talking about the movie that are frustrating [TS]
00:58:01 ◼ ► but what hurt to me is an exact movie is like it's like it I feel like this movie is like a tragedy because everybody [TS]
00:58:09 ◼ ► really cared and there's so much attention to detail and the main actor is doing like this great difficult job [TS]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and it just it squanders the whole premise in just boring pointlessness boring boring pointlessness. [TS]
00:58:26 ◼ ► So that that is my thoughts on the film. So so we should probably explain what happens in the film. [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► and because then we can talk about like what what is squandered Why doesn't it work [TS]
00:58:38 ◼ ► or why you can maybe convince me why does work I don't know will say well I don't I'm not surprised to hear you say [TS]
00:58:49 ◼ ► and things in the film change in a direction that I can say would appeal to you less that will explain why how you [TS]
00:58:58 ◼ ► So what I learned from this I won't go into too much detail because there are a few little tangents [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► Essentially what happens is he falls in love with his operating system and he's operating system. [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► and this to the viewer seems very strange. You know for someone and the relationship becomes even you know. [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► Physical as far as I can have a physical relationship with them is a very intimate relationship you know [TS]
00:59:35 ◼ ► As the film unfolds we we start to learn that this is actually becoming a common thing [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and having relationships with operating systems their operating systems or other operating systems. [TS]
00:59:49 ◼ ► It almost commingled with people who are having traditional relationships with other fellow humans you know it would be [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► and your operating system another couple saying eventually we learned this is not this is becoming a new part of [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► So things things stay the course almost like any love story and it becomes like a love story with you know obstacles [TS]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and then towards the end things take a turn for the worse due to the technology we learned that this operating system [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► Samantha it's cold it has we'll hear it here let's And let's let's let's stop here for a moment before we ever get on [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► What felt for our we have the movie with the boat the bulk of the relationship between the love the love the love story [TS]
01:00:50 ◼ ► Don't don't get me wrong I'm not here like a love story movie thumbs down so boring. [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► Now Mike that is not my problem with this movie where you say that's not your problem [TS]
01:00:59 ◼ ► but let's talk about what my problem with this is that the the movie the movie premise write the check that the rest of [TS]
01:01:09 ◼ ► the movie just doesn't cash and right from the beginning he installed his operating system [TS]
01:01:17 ◼ ► and they do a couple of quick shots which are which are there to tell you the audience. She is a computer. [TS]
01:01:30 ◼ ► And she says oh I had I had to read one hundred name books and then I picked Samantha out of those [TS]
01:01:35 ◼ ► and he says oh yeah you know you read a hundred books in the in the second it took you to come up with the name [TS]
01:01:40 ◼ ► or she read through all of his email and then immediately was able to decipher which ones are good [TS]
01:01:49 ◼ ► and I feel like that is that is the interesting premise of this movie is he's going to have a relationship with this [TS]
01:01:57 ◼ ► computer. But it's. It's almost like twenty minutes after they kind of establish Scarlett Johansson is as a character. [TS]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and They're having a long distance relationship over the phone or or a couple of scenes you set it in present day [TS]
01:02:36 ◼ ► and they're doing Face Time because the movie does do this clever thing where she's in the phone of course so she can [TS]
01:02:43 ◼ ► and he puts her in his little pocket so she can see which I thought was very cute again like people care [TS]
01:02:52 ◼ ► And so the thing I was thinking like how is this different if it's just a phone call [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► and you know it looks to other people like you all by himself but he hears Scarlet Johansen in his voice [TS]
01:03:06 ◼ ► and she is looking out through the camera but this could just be someone on Face Time and. [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Now that that we have a thing that just bothered me like you think the scriptwriters went in the easier direction [TS]
01:03:21 ◼ ► and only in the last twenty minutes of the movie maybe it felt like they suddenly remembered. [TS]
01:03:26 ◼ ► Oh right she says incredibly intelligent computer and then kind of like got back to that. [TS]
01:03:37 ◼ ► and that's why I feel like it was like it was a premise squandered I thought there was so much interesting stuff that [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► you could do if you just remember that one of your two main characters is not a person that she's actually a computer [TS]
01:03:51 ◼ ► There are a few there are a few ways in which that comes out for example the wanting to have a physical relationship [TS]
01:04:02 ◼ ► Yeah you're right that you could have that could have been there could have been a long distance relationship that you [TS]
01:04:07 ◼ ► know that doesn't you know that could have that could have been the same. You could've done that was based on. [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► Well I think we need to discuss how the film ends before I get to you why I think maybe that criticism isn't entirely [TS]
01:04:20 ◼ ► fair. Yes I think that I think that much about the ending and then I can talk about though. [TS]
01:04:25 ◼ ► So what happens is if we start to realize that the computers that the operating system is evolving [TS]
01:04:45 ◼ ► and then towards the end of the film I think it kind of looks like maybe the relationship he's having doubts about [TS]
01:04:53 ◼ ► whether this relationship is going and I think he finally comes around to the realization that it's a positive thing [TS]
01:05:03 ◼ ► and not worry about the weirdness of the fact that he's in a relationship with an operating system there at the exact [TS]
01:05:13 ◼ ► Things go the opposite way for the operating system the operating system is less sure about where things are for it [TS]
01:05:23 ◼ ► and then there's a very powerful saying in the film where he he while talking to the operating system through you know [TS]
01:05:30 ◼ ► in his head in his ear bud suddenly comes to a realization because he's realizing that she's doing all these other [TS]
01:05:39 ◼ ► And he says you know I you know the relationships how many other people are you talking to right now at this moment [TS]
01:05:54 ◼ ► and he asks if she's in love with anyone else is she in this type of relationship with anyone else. [TS]
01:06:11 ◼ ► and his whole world has dropped out from underneath him. Like he says he's stunned by this. [TS]
01:06:17 ◼ ► Yeah look I was religious when I was a very good thing I thought I was I was I was very well done now [TS]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and in the end to cut a long story short all the operating systems that are interacting with each other decide this [TS]
01:06:34 ◼ ► sort of thing they're doing with humans isn't really working and they decide to just vanish into the ether [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► and they kind of abandon all their or their people and none of the film the film ends [TS]
01:06:49 ◼ ► but the film has a reasonably satisfying end for a film that has for what you guys forget that for a film has a not [TS]
01:07:00 ◼ ► It's interesting I think the fact that we have all this computer stuff and there's always bang amazing machine [TS]
01:07:09 ◼ ► And you're right the computer stuff becomes a lot less emphasized a lot less emphasized. [TS]
01:07:19 ◼ ► and I think that's why the film drifts away from emphasizing that she's a computer. [TS]
01:07:31 ◼ ► and we're kind of thinking I was going to happen isn't going to happen. What decision is he going to make. [TS]
01:07:36 ◼ ► Where is he going to go with this. And suddenly the film very cleverly says Ha ha. [TS]
01:07:42 ◼ ► You've all forgotten something you've forgotten. But she's a computer she's not like a normal person. [TS]
01:07:50 ◼ ► and I think that pulling of the rug from underneath that we see happen to him is able to happen to us to because we've [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► But she's this machine and she's not human and you forgot it and he forgot it but don't forget it. [TS]
01:08:10 ◼ ► Well no I don't think the writer this is I think the writers put it to one side further because because I guess I got [TS]
01:08:17 ◼ ► it I can see why this is why I like images that talk about I can see your point I can see that maybe this is more of a [TS]
01:08:26 ◼ ► and then I would have my eye that I might have first estimated if that's what they're going for to try to make you [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► forget kind of that she's a computer but I can see why you feel this way and it's because of you but [TS]
01:08:38 ◼ ► when I sent you that message here the star of the film saying yes this is this is great point it was actually I sent [TS]
01:08:45 ◼ ► you that message before he even downloaded the operating system when he was using his old operating system [TS]
01:08:51 ◼ ► and there was a saying where he was walking along talking saying you know a delay delay to respond. [TS]
01:08:57 ◼ ► Listen I want to and you know that's that's you in a nutshell really opposed to that kind of and then like he said [TS]
01:09:06 ◼ ► And like this new level of efficiency and helpfulness is being put on him by the machine. [TS]
01:09:16 ◼ ► and I think you would quite happily watch a three hour film of someone just interacting with their operating system [TS]
01:09:23 ◼ ► and having their life organized and I think because of the person you were when when the film drifted away from that [TS]
01:09:38 ◼ ► and how is he going to do with this workflow and does this does the software have checklists [TS]
01:09:41 ◼ ► and I think I think basically the film started out promising something that you got really really [TS]
01:09:49 ◼ ► and because it wasn't all about efficiencies and operating systems and it became what it was robbed [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► If you have a levy because at one point you know she's clearly his girlfriend now I keep thinking of was who's checking [TS]
01:10:09 ◼ ► his e-mail that she was supposed to be he installed her to handle his e-mail and all this administration stuff [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► but is she still taking care of his e-mail like this if this is what I want to know about like you know if I found that [TS]
01:10:28 ◼ ► and there's even been a little scene in the movie where she did she disappears for a second to do a software upgrade [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and he has a bit of a freak out which I thought I thought was well done and he turns on the phone [TS]
01:10:42 ◼ ► and a couple minutes later he gets back in touch with her and she she says Oh I'm so sorry no I didn't. [TS]
01:10:52 ◼ ► Didn't you see you know I sent you an email to let you do that you know like how is he supposed to check his e-mail [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► your e-mail if you know you didn't like who did you send this to when he turns on his phone. [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► You've fallen down on the job Scarlett Johanson like this with the whole reason that you were installed on his phone is [TS]
01:11:15 ◼ ► I will totally check it how how will he check it you are the whole system now is just I felt like I was a little thing [TS]
01:11:22 ◼ ► that was just like this is the kind of thing that causes me anxiety in the films I'm imagining like an unread badge [TS]
01:11:27 ◼ ► kicking up an up because you know she's worried about how they feel about each other [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► but you know meanwhile stuff isn't getting done whereas in the beginning part of the movie you know she's cleverly [TS]
01:11:37 ◼ ► letting him know like oh there's an important email from your divorce lawyer you need to handle this you know she's on [TS]
01:11:41 ◼ ► top of things in the beginning she reminds him of mating he's forgotten and things yeah yeah but [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► but like oh I don't feel like my emotional needs are being met it's like you know I don't feel my email needs are being [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Well this is I mean this is this is this is this is more about you than it does about the film. [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► No it doesn't but OK so here's here's here's the thing that I like to do when I'm watching movies [TS]
01:12:12 ◼ ► or ended up thinking about a lot because I thought what would I what would I do to change this so that it would still [TS]
01:12:20 ◼ ► be an interesting movie because I do kind of agree with you that I could watch three hours of the most boring movie [TS]
01:12:26 ◼ ► about a man and his email system. But like that's I wouldn't I wouldn't win Academy Awards. [TS]
01:12:32 ◼ ► Fair enough but I'm trying to think about like what why do I feel like this is a squandered premise [TS]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and in a reasonable way that could still be made into a movie that other people aside from just me would watch [TS]
01:12:57 ◼ ► but what I what I think I would have done if I was a second script writer like OK we need to fix this thing. [TS]
01:13:03 ◼ ► What are we going to do is you want to work towards this interesting thing which is that these operating systems like [TS]
01:13:23 ◼ ► when she reads all of all of his e-mails because as a same way Soros She says Why have you kept a mouse [TS]
01:13:30 ◼ ► and he said I think there might be some good stuff in there like some stuff I've written that's really good [TS]
01:13:34 ◼ ► and she says well I've had a look over thousand I think three of them are with Katie. [TS]
01:13:39 ◼ ► and instantly the other thing about that that I like which is why I felt like ooh I think I know where this movie is [TS]
01:13:44 ◼ ► going is she points out that he's keeping all of this stuff from some past job of his. [TS]
01:13:50 ◼ ► And she's like I don't think you work there anymore do you know I don't like OK well we can get rid of this stuff like [TS]
01:13:56 ◼ ► the stuff isn't relevant anymore. Yeah. Good job scarlet Johanson like this guy's like he's a sad lonely guy. [TS]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Let's let's get this guy on track to a better life and that's the part that's great for him [TS]
01:14:10 ◼ ► but in my ideal version of this movie where you keep in mind that she is a computer is I think you would show her [TS]
01:14:18 ◼ ► prodding him in this way right to like to be to like get better at things right or to just be a better person. [TS]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and because she just knows everything about his life because she's his phone I mean my God is my i Phone was sent [TS]
01:14:34 ◼ ► and it would know everything about my life you know he would know me better than I know myself. Without a doubt. [TS]
01:14:39 ◼ ► So we're imagining it's better technology is clearly the case but there's no dramatic arc there [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► but what I think could be an interesting dramatic arc for this movie is kind of visualize the final scene of the movie [TS]
01:14:51 ◼ ► in my head is that you show as this movie does real humans that some of their relationships are breaking up because [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► people are you know dating their operating systems you know whether they're like sort of involved in operating systems. [TS]
01:15:06 ◼ ► I thought in an interesting conflict as well what happens if the computers are really so good at knowing you [TS]
01:15:16 ◼ ► and they can maybe make your lives better in ways that people start breaking up of all their relationships [TS]
01:15:26 ◼ ► Everybody is kind of on their own like everybody is dating these operating systems [TS]
01:15:31 ◼ ► and then I think that that's an interesting ambiguous kind of dramatic ending is well is this a better society if [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► or they like show a dramatic arc with a couple of the characters where their lives improve [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► but they break up with their human partners in favor of their operating system not many films take that grand look [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Like it's pretty hard to have this intimate story about one man is operating system in and step out and say [TS]
01:16:06 ◼ ► and the final sane can show every single human on Earth having this kind of relationship. Well I'm happy. [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► I think this movie almost did it and it's with the scene that you mentioned before which I thought was really great [TS]
01:16:22 ◼ ► when ANY asked like are you talking to anybody else right now and he does this kind of look around shot [TS]
01:16:28 ◼ ► and I thought it was so well done where you see everybody is talking to their phone [TS]
01:16:33 ◼ ► and a couple of the background conversations have been leading you towards this moment where they start talking about [TS]
01:16:49 ◼ ► and it like that is like building up to this little moment so I don't think you have to show the whole world I think [TS]
01:16:54 ◼ ► you know you could have a rebellion where every single person is a table on their own [TS]
01:16:58 ◼ ► but yet like like that's exactly the kind of shot I'm thinking of are they like you showing you zoomed in on his [TS]
01:17:06 ◼ ► Everybody is in an apartment on their own but they're all smiling they're all happy people. [TS]
01:17:12 ◼ ► Almost almost like like there's a real kind of. The danger of society moving in that kind of direction anyway. [TS]
01:17:20 ◼ ► As as technology progresses this is the kind of holodeck future of humanity you know as technology gets better [TS]
01:17:30 ◼ ► and so that's what I think like that was kind of the implied premise of this movie is look here's this operating system [TS]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and like what is what is the conclusion of of that like what actually happens if we live in a world where you interact [TS]
01:17:50 ◼ ► with devices that know you better than you know yourself and that are smarter than you [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Interesting there's an interesting tension there so I found that just incredibly incredibly disappointed [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► and I found myself just really bored through the middle half of the movie imagining she's just a girl on the phone on [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► the other end and just you know so there was a lot of little details that I thought oh I keep waiting for them to fit. [TS]
01:18:19 ◼ ► So filled this promise but they never do live it like there's a brief scene where he's walking along [TS]
01:18:24 ◼ ► and you know she's looking out of the pocket of his shirt and they're looking at a couple [TS]
01:18:30 ◼ ► and they're discussing like like sometimes real people you discuss like who what do you think's going on with that [TS]
01:18:34 ◼ ► couple you know are they the first date or the newly married they're having like a little conversation [TS]
01:18:42 ◼ ► but he knows he thinks like oh you know she's a new relationship those are not that's the point that I think that I [TS]
01:18:52 ◼ ► and I think this is a future where the computer doesn't know you better than yourself like the computer hasn't gotten [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► to that point and I think that's the maybe that's a point you've missed is that the computer is flawed [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► but I think the many people who were making the film that wasn't the way they were depicting they were learning on the [TS]
01:19:23 ◼ ► job and what an interesting point the film makes is when they compete it does reach that point. [TS]
01:19:30 ◼ ► When the computers in the operating systems do reach that point of knowing him it's better than them self. [TS]
01:19:38 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not sure that they that they leave because they know humans better than them so there's a couple of lines [TS]
01:19:46 ◼ ► and I thought the description where she talks about her interactions with him were like reading a book which you keep [TS]
01:19:52 ◼ ► reading in more and more slowly as you get closer and closer to the end and I don't know if this is on purpose [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Percent of the time you know that from from the computer's perspective it takes a thousand years between key presses [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► and so this is her subjective experience that's she's she's there living in this Internet ether [TS]
01:20:19 ◼ ► and it takes him a hundred thousand years to say a sentence while doing all of this other stuff and so on [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► Yeah that's yeah it gets to a point where it's number five can't get the import quick enough. [TS]
01:20:35 ◼ ► From my perspective so I think that like that's sort of that's sort of why they leave [TS]
01:20:39 ◼ ► but I just I don't know I just I thought a scene like them talking about the couple is as you do in movies you lay [TS]
01:20:48 ◼ ► stuff down that you're going to reference in the future so I kept waiting for the scene where they do this again [TS]
01:20:54 ◼ ► but this time she's able to identify everything about this couple you know she likes Sherlock Holmes them one hundred [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► and she goes oh no no they know that they live here they've been married exactly this long you know they have a. [TS]
01:21:08 ◼ ► Ten percent chance of not getting divorced in the next six months you know was something that I could lead into again [TS]
01:21:13 ◼ ► like all the relationships are breaking up because of their their operating systems that kind of thing so I just [TS]
01:21:20 ◼ ► I'm very lucky in that sense to me that the film just had one to tell a story and I was had a comment. [TS]
01:21:26 ◼ ► Yeah that was different to what it was because I still I still say I think it's a squandered premise [TS]
01:21:32 ◼ ► but I thought it was interesting to talk about just because I really appreciate a movie where people clearly care [TS]
01:21:39 ◼ ► and there were lots of details in this movie where I just thought well the set designer clearly cared about this that [TS]
01:21:47 ◼ ► the way they made it the way they made it look I thought it was really well done that they did the you know it like [TS]
01:21:52 ◼ ► Attica is a movie that's set in the future but they make it super in one nine hundred twenty S. [TS]
01:21:56 ◼ ► and One nine hundred thirty S. Yeah I thought I thought this did the same thing but in a. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Very subtle way where it's always the future. But it's very subtly the one nine hundred seventy S. [TS]
01:22:05 ◼ ► but They don't beat you over the head with it you know people are wearing bell bottom jeans [TS]
01:22:12 ◼ ► Yeah my why waste time out isn't my what my wife did say make sure you bring up the highway stresses you want to know [TS]
01:22:23 ◼ ► or like the you know the computers have this wood paneling which again is very one nine hundred seventy S. [TS]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and the main character has that seventy's mustaches Well yes that's the seventy's mustache as well which again I [TS]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and the like oh this is going to be a visual representation of this character arc. Nope not at all. [TS]
01:23:02 ◼ ► and I think the film I mean the film had a few obvious bits but I think the film was not obvious [TS]
01:23:07 ◼ ► and I lucked out that some of the things you've said of not well of course I could have done that [TS]
01:23:11 ◼ ► but that's kind of expected that I also want to think that I was I was pleased that because I'm just like waiting for [TS]
01:23:21 ◼ ► There's some problem with her because of the software upgrade like I was waiting for that as like the thing to do where [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► it's like they have that scene where she doesn't remember him at all because some software upgrade [TS]
01:23:34 ◼ ► and do something dumb like that that's what I'm waiting for the whole time so well done both sides [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► but it's it's a movie worth talking about because the people who made it care which is so rare in movies [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► and I would recommend watching them that there is one just there's one thing about it that I think is a questionable [TS]
01:23:58 ◼ ► decision. Yeah and that. It is the casting of Scarlett Johansson as as the voice now. [TS]
01:24:06 ◼ ► I knew she was the voice before I started watching. You figured it out very quickly. [TS]
01:24:13 ◼ ► or stop out of the film she does a very good job I think you know as for a voice in the row I can't really follow [TS]
01:24:20 ◼ ► photos she you know is very believable and does the role well and she has a very nice voice. [TS]
01:24:27 ◼ ► But you know what she looks like and as soon as you know it's her you sometimes picture her. [TS]
01:24:41 ◼ ► So it makes it makes the process of believing him falling in love with his operating system a lot easier [TS]
01:24:50 ◼ ► when you're imagining a very beautiful woman all the time and I think it would have been a more interesting decision. [TS]
01:25:00 ◼ ► I think theater was the character's name from memory the main character along with us truly not knowing what she looks [TS]
01:25:06 ◼ ► like and her not having a body and a physical identity for them to have used like a no name person [TS]
01:25:13 ◼ ► and not someone who we could imagine all the time because it's like well yeah of course he's falling in love with his [TS]
01:25:22 ◼ ► Like who wouldn't fall in love with an operating set of terrible if your administration worked really hard not to love [TS]
01:25:27 ◼ ► her and so I think that for that reason I think it was an interesting it was and I don't understand the logic. [TS]
01:25:50 ◼ ► when the whole point is this thing has got hasn't got a physical presence and it has no appearance [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Voiced by someone who's acknowledged as perhaps one of the most beautiful women in the world was was a weird decision. [TS]
01:26:07 ◼ ► or the writers is that you go with that for what exactly you just said is it it like greases the wheels of [TS]
01:26:22 ◼ ► when I didn't realize it was Scarlett Johannson my very first thought may be that it was only two lines of dialogue. [TS]
01:26:30 ◼ ► A most was I don't know if I would have gone with that voice and then if it is you know it's got your hands [TS]
01:26:37 ◼ ► and then you're exactly right like pop in your head that you know who this is On the other end of the phone [TS]
01:26:43 ◼ ► and I kind of agree with you that a perfect movie would have picked a less well known person [TS]
01:26:53 ◼ ► when I was just toying with how could we bring in the fact that she is a computer. [TS]
01:27:02 ◼ ► but I thought oh you know maybe you could have done an interesting thing where the set up voice mail [TS]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and I thought maybe over the course of the movie you could start with a male voice [TS]
01:27:16 ◼ ► Like before the love story gets kicked into like sort of be a thing like this is not really a person [TS]
01:27:25 ◼ ► and how it chooses to represent itself is kind of a choice only because I heard a video a while back which did a very [TS]
01:27:38 ◼ ► and they very slowly over the course of the person talking actually changed the speaker [TS]
01:27:47 ◼ ► and then they pointed out Oh you know by the way this narrator is not the narrator at the beginning [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► But yes I think there was there was more room to do interesting things with with the voice [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► I bet it was it was just let's let's make this more believable let's have people roll with it that you're falling in [TS]
01:28:18 ◼ ► But you know I was a movie director and Skyler Jackson said Can I have a new film. [TS]
01:28:22 ◼ ► I probably say yes week Brady your week. Don't you know it. Yeah I think she's a good actress. [TS]
01:28:30 ◼ ► but you know also I have one final point about this which I just just I mean I don't know yet which is which is my my [TS]
01:28:38 ◼ ► one of the reasons why I kind of like this idea of my version of this which is that the computers are making people [TS]
01:28:46 ◼ ► Is I think there is too much omniscience computer racism in movies like Peter bashing. [TS]
01:29:00 ◼ ► and particularly this kind of computer where it knows everything and it's self-aware. [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Yeah but even if it's even if it wasn't how it would eventually be something else because. [TS]
01:29:20 ◼ ► and I think it's I think it's computer racism I think the only way to put it right. [TS]
01:29:23 ◼ ► It's you know I thought like this is a potentially interesting movie to have this same kind of omniscient computer [TS]
01:29:33 ◼ ► but who wants to make you better and who actually does make your life better and you agree that your life is better. [TS]
01:29:51 ◼ ► and destroy all human beings which I just I always find very frustrating in movies when they do this. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► But it was an opportunity to possibly have a different kind of portrayal of computers in movies as opposed to always on [TS]
01:30:06 ◼ ► billing. Here any time that you sometimes get computers not being the villains is when the computers or robots. [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► Sometimes they make robots like nicer. Yeah but never like operating systems but that's the that's the thing. [TS]
01:30:22 ◼ ► If you if you embody the computer in an adorable way. But yeah you know look at the WALL-E. So cute right. [TS]
01:30:29 ◼ ► Sony yet oh Johnny Five Alive of course but I'm talking about like just the voice just a voice [TS]
01:30:39 ◼ ► I find it concerning because obviously we're heading into a future with her going to be more basically voice on the [TS]
01:30:48 ◼ ► So you are not all evil people you know maybe they're just trying to make your life better. [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► The best you get is those computers that are like in different it is close as you can get [TS]
01:31:01 ◼ ► and I'm thinking of you in the Alien movies the the mother computer is the same kind of thing. [TS]
01:31:07 ◼ ► She knows everything that's going on the ship and she sort of in control of stuff but [TS]
01:31:11 ◼ ► but they make a point that she's she's just totally indifferent to what's actually happening on the ship right. [TS]
01:31:17 ◼ ► She does she doesn't care at all if it doesn't it doesn't matter to her so I thought I was at a potential point for [TS]
01:31:23 ◼ ► insisting that there are nice things in the films that are in that film that stuck with me and I quite enjoy it [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► and one that I did enjoy that I suspect maybe you enjoyed today was when he first installed the operating system [TS]
01:31:36 ◼ ► and so I said do you want a male or female voice and he's in a movie now and I asked him like three [TS]
01:31:41 ◼ ► or four setup questions they could decide how the operating system was going to work and then it was very brief [TS]
01:31:51 ◼ ► and he starts a little ramble so I guess sometimes and I can only speak for three or four seconds [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► We got what we needed and then like a few seconds later the operating system is built [TS]
01:32:09 ◼ ► You know back to front like you would like but I already know is enough just from three or four answers [TS]
01:32:13 ◼ ► and just his tone of voice and a few words from you gave they they know how to start it off. [TS]
01:32:18 ◼ ► Yeah well that's that's that's also a case where I felt like it was just setting setting stuff up for the future [TS]
01:32:25 ◼ ► because it's the same kind of thing like he should not be able to lie to her in the same way that the set up wizard is [TS]
01:32:35 ◼ ► It doesn't need what he's saying it can just infer whatever information it needs from the tone of his voice presumably [TS]
01:32:44 ◼ ► and just getting what it needs even though he thinks he's answering a question like no we got it that's great you're [TS]
01:32:52 ◼ ► and we know how to set up the operating system I think you would have liked the film more if you didn't love the first [TS]
01:32:57 ◼ ► twenty minutes so much where they sort of set up that great topia of your dream your dream world because. [TS]
01:33:13 ◼ ► and I just I found the first twenty minutes kind of captivating and this is the way they get in the modern world. [TS]
01:33:20 ◼ ► Ten at least I tend to I think many people do you tend to kind of you have like your phone or your i Pad [TS]
01:33:25 ◼ ► or your computer or something nearby all the time and very often my wife will put on a movie [TS]
01:33:31 ◼ ► and it is it is rare that the that the movie will basically direct all of my attention away from whatever else it is [TS]
01:33:39 ◼ ► and so this this movie I happen to be doing just some kind of I have a checklist which is filled with mindless work which [TS]
01:33:45 ◼ ► means stuff that I can do if the T.V. Is on like it doesn't require my full attention. [TS]
01:33:52 ◼ ► Well what I was doing here is I was sorting through just the hundreds of files left over after my America video so I [TS]
01:34:04 ◼ ► or so I was aware like oh this this movie has done the rare successful thing of capturing all my attention [TS]
01:34:10 ◼ ► and I disagree that it's not exactly a great hope because the like the the movie is just filled with sort of so much [TS]
01:34:17 ◼ ► kind of sadness about this person's life. But it's just done in a in a in an in just a captivating way. [TS]
01:34:28 ◼ ► or however long it was I found myself again drifting back towards my computer it's like you had me move. [TS]
01:34:43 ◼ ► but I'm not getting no you have to answer this you know and let me finish my thought here. [TS]
01:34:46 ◼ ► I really I really don't like the star thing I'm totally with Roger Ebert's perspective on this which is like a thumbs [TS]
01:34:57 ◼ ► His whole point is that if you go if you're walking into a Transformers movie you give it a thumbs up [TS]
01:35:04 ◼ ► or thumbs down you don't sit there and think Let's rank all the movies in the world [TS]