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H.I. #17: Mister Phoenix


00:00:01   We should probably start by explaining that for once this follow up will be very short. Well don't jump the gun. [TS]

00:00:12   You never know by Napi. Well I can but I'm expecting it to be very short. [TS]

00:00:17   The reason being we are recording this episode is this episode seventeen. [TS]

00:00:23   Yes we're recording episode seventeen the day after. Episode six stained. [TS]

00:00:29   Yes which you have no even editing to do or listen to or anything as yet. [TS]

00:00:33   No no I haven't even done my my first just listen through to make sure it sounded OK Who knows if Episode sixteen if it [TS]

00:00:40   went terribly. This might be a good sixteen feet didn't work out well that's a good thing. [TS]

00:00:46   Some of the seven tane no one including us has heard sixteen so there has been no faith back. [TS]

00:00:53   Right we don't know what people thought about it [TS]

00:00:55   and less You've done a miracle of editing it will have included a very long section about flags. [TS]

00:01:01   Yes that's about all that's about all we know about it so we can't really apologize [TS]

00:01:06   or bask in the glory of what you thought of the previous episode. Yes The reason we know nothing. [TS]

00:01:12   This is once again we have this show as a little secret. Just like in the beginning. [TS]

00:01:17   Yeah I feel like this is once again it's like our private thing very briefly how is the show being recorded right now [TS]

00:01:24   the way it is. So yes no no genuine feedback. [TS]

00:01:27   But that's that's that's what we're doing now because you are going there next week. [TS]

00:01:33   I am is this a humble brag if I talk about like all the problems we're having with the podcast because I'm going away [TS]

00:01:39   on a lovely holiday. I don't think so no I don't think so. [TS]

00:01:41   Like all we have to do all this work this week because next week I'm going to Morocco a humble vice. [TS]

00:01:50   This week just been a total nightmare remind me not to book another luxury trip to Morocco. [TS]

00:01:56   So is this for pleasure as opposed to business it is just just. I'm an ex Atlas Mountains. [TS]

00:02:03   Hopefully just go listen to old episodes of hello internet. [TS]

00:02:10   I am taking the I am going to take my camera because I'm hoping for clear skies and I'm going to try [TS]

00:02:16   and improve my astrophotography skills that will depend on various factors including how late I'm allowed to go [TS]

00:02:23   and take photos of stuff that's probably have to work like for holiday snaps and it probably is but that sounds lovely. [TS]

00:02:32   But yes I guess that that might be that might be a little bit of a humble brag to do that so I think it is [TS]

00:02:37   but you kind of force me into it I was quite happy to not mention it. [TS]

00:02:39   I thought I thought the people the people would want to know. [TS]

00:02:42   The Internet demands to know why we're recording them back to back so that that that happens to be true [TS]

00:02:47   but yet it is it is a strange experience [TS]

00:02:49   and it feels kind of exhausting even before we've begun conversations with they can be like that right over there I was [TS]

00:02:54   going to tweet even to share to a tiny piece of all somebody tweeted at me [TS]

00:03:00   but I thought you should know this is Thomas Elliot on Twitter said I just thought you guys should know that I bought a [TS]

00:03:06   shredder as a direct result of listening to your podcast. [TS]

00:03:10   Oh you have changed the lives of the sister if you can just touch one person. [TS]

00:03:16   Yes You know I'm going to celebrate that with a shredder you ready. [TS]

00:03:19   Oh please do you negated let me check that it's not important I'm shutting up. Yeah whatever just go for it. [TS]

00:03:25   Yes I think it's under my desk now. Oh good. Now one thing that's great. [TS]

00:03:36   I would I would join in a shred of my own [TS]

00:03:39   but I've actually just been doing all my administration so I I have a huge bag of shreddings that have just been done [TS]

00:03:46   the only things that remain I sitting right next to me is a big pile of tax documents which I definitely cannot shred [TS]

00:03:54   any of those. So so the right the reason you can't join in is because you have nothing to shred. Exactly. I. [TS]

00:04:00   Don't think there is a piece of paper in this house that I could shred at the moment because I have just shredded all [TS]

00:04:04   of the paper and filled up to two huge recycling bags worth of stuff. [TS]

00:04:08   But what's interesting you should say that because I saw someone message us [TS]

00:04:11   when we first started this captivating shredded discussion. [TS]

00:04:17   And that was someone was saying that you can't recycle shredded stuff shredding So whatever the word is for post [TS]

00:04:25   shredded shreddings something like How can you recycle that stuff I don't know I don't know I have no idea what are you [TS]

00:04:34   doing with your as you said you got in recycling bags I mean of the bags I put it in and let me ask Mr Google [TS]

00:04:40   and see what he has to say about this is a look at Google always know it's almost creepy sometimes how much Google [TS]

00:04:48   knows is shredded shredded paper recycle. [TS]

00:04:50   Why yes Google that is exactly what I was looking for but it's a little creepy that you guessed so quickly. [TS]

00:04:55   The advice is to check with your local council about whether [TS]

00:04:59   or not paper can be shredded I am not going to check my local council they are going to check that out. [TS]

00:05:05   Well fine fine fine I will tell you what it is so I'm going to call this exactly is of advice right now let me say type [TS]

00:05:12   of thing. It's like if if you go check with the local council. [TS]

00:05:16   I can guarantee that it can't be recycled by my count so why a council are very strict about what can [TS]

00:05:23   and can't be recycled and the man because I think it's all men who come [TS]

00:05:27   and pick up the recycling go through the tub with a fine tooth comb [TS]

00:05:31   and anything that doesn't meet their stringent requirements is left in the tub [TS]

00:05:38   and also you can see them shouting at people's houses when they make mistakes. Quaint when they were alone. [TS]

00:05:45   I was too busy to look at my own problems I realised you were just describing sounds crazy. [TS]

00:05:51   Days ago I was having a conversation with myself [TS]

00:05:53   or you were like doing I was personally ministration Yeah I was sort of listening and part of my rant anyway it was. [TS]

00:06:00   You just say that's going to actually say something interesting. [TS]

00:06:03   Now it's Wait this is the impression I got you haven't you have an open bin which you have to put on it [TS]

00:06:09   when I can tab and they can go they go through it piece by piece deciding whether [TS]

00:06:13   or not because their truck has got all these like sub bins so you've got a tub with everything we saw a couple [TS]

00:06:19   and I'll take out the glass and they'll take out the paper so they sort of make and mix on the side of the road. [TS]

00:06:26   That sounds crazy. That sounds crazy and labor intensive. Well someone's got to do it at some point I guess. [TS]

00:06:33   Anyway you're out and I'm not I don't start me on my local council. [TS]

00:06:38   This will turn into a paper cuts to the para ten I'm going to find this answer I'm going [TS]

00:06:44   and what I find after the show. [TS]

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00:08:37   But you did message me and said Anything you'd like to talk about and I was walking my dog at the time. [TS]

00:08:44   The much loved one who is sleeping by my side as we speak as she always does get to sleep so to my face [TS]

00:08:53   and I thought we never talked about pets. Have you ever had pets did you grow up with pets. [TS]

00:08:59   Where do you stand on the issue of pets. Is there an issue to be to be stood upon here. [TS]

00:09:09   Well I mean you have an opinion on most things surely have an opinion on the merits of humans having pets I mean are [TS]

00:09:15   you asking me Do you dislike dogs I mean what is that the question that was your question. Unless that was just a fact. [TS]

00:09:24   Have you ever had pets. [TS]

00:09:25   Yeah yeah I grew up with I guess the do it the way most people would describe them as little dogs you know a tiny [TS]

00:09:32   little tiny little bark [TS]

00:09:34   or dog's little yappy dogs little you happy dogs yes they were Yorkies Yorkshire terriers as I end up with so very [TS]

00:09:42   small they can be very cute they can be very happy which some of them were. [TS]

00:09:47   But yes I think it's I think it's a good thing to grow up with pets. [TS]

00:09:50   I liked it the pets predated me they were there before I arrived and then when I was a hive. [TS]

00:10:00   We got a cat which was that was a nice addition to the family kept a very damn dog obviously So thumbs up to pet [TS]

00:10:07   growing up with pets I guess I mean obviously you don't have pets now because you live in a small place in the city [TS]

00:10:14   and you rent pets in your future. Would you like to have pets again. [TS]

00:10:21   Yeah I say under different circumstances I'd love love to have him in particular have a dog. [TS]

00:10:26   But yeah it is just it is not practical given our current living situation is just it wouldn't it wouldn't be fair to [TS]

00:10:35   the dog to have it in a small central London flat. [TS]

00:10:40   Although I have to say obviously enough people do I mean if you go for a walk in any of the parks in London there's [TS]

00:10:46   tons of dogs running all over the place happy and free [TS]

00:10:50   and you know presumably they're living in relatively small places [TS]

00:10:54   but I would feel bad having a dog in the size flat that we have I don't I just don't think it would be fair so it's not [TS]

00:11:00   it's not possible at the moment but why would you like to have one if you had to pick a place what to eat. [TS]

00:11:05   What would it add to your life which is all that efficiencies and making sure everything has a benefit to it. [TS]

00:11:12   What would it add to your life that is missing at the moment I see what you're trying to read you putting you're [TS]

00:11:17   putting you're putting words into my mouth I even have things that you just like who doesn't like a dog. [TS]

00:11:23   Monsters like dog fighting is just. Who could look into a dog you know little doggy eyes and be like me. [TS]

00:11:30   Thumbs down don't prove that all and no dogs look into your eyes you look at their eyes [TS]

00:11:35   and it's like oh I just feel happier now and the dog wags its little tail and you give it a rub [TS]

00:11:40   and it's all happy you know it's just humans [TS]

00:11:42   and dogs we have a we have a symbiotic relationship that goes back thousands of years. [TS]

00:11:47   I think this is an unfair line of questioning because I think it's been well established in previous episodes that even [TS]

00:11:53   though there are things you like or can appreciate the merits of you don't want them in your space unless they can try. [TS]

00:12:00   Something to your you know you OK and go A dog will contribute to the net some happiness in a day. [TS]

00:12:09   Good that's the way I thought I would phrase it if you if you if you want to if you want something like that out of me [TS]

00:12:14   with yeah. NET some happiness is the way I would put it. [TS]

00:12:17   Would you go down the small the small dog route of your childhood [TS]

00:12:22   or do you think you'd sort of UPS I think it scale up your cues are a little small the problem is that the bigger the [TS]

00:12:29   dog the more responsibility that you end up having with it. [TS]

00:12:32   I would be trying to fight like optimize this calculus equation of like a larger dog [TS]

00:12:37   and responsibilities like what is the sweet spot here for four dogs I have to tell you what I mean you know obviously [TS]

00:12:47   people have children will love this conversation but dogs are a big responsibility [TS]

00:12:53   and also a financial burden because you know I have to go away a lot. [TS]

00:12:57   So the dog always has to be looked after [TS]

00:12:59   and dogs dogs can be a bigger responsibility than children because you have to have someone look after the dog. [TS]

00:13:04   Children are you put them in a box. [TS]

00:13:06   I'm not sure how you carry them around [TS]

00:13:07   but you bring them with with you know is go wherever people go you can do that with the dogs. [TS]

00:13:13   So I'll draw that line it is a dog's more responsibility than children. [TS]

00:13:18   You can't leave the dog alone in a house [TS]

00:13:19   and expected to be able to feed itself if you have a competent child they should be able to do that. Yeah this is true. [TS]

00:13:26   Yeah you know. I'm sure we will hear from parents. There is not going to be fine with that. [TS]

00:13:32   I am I was I was reminiscing about the pets of my life. [TS]

00:13:37   We had these two little poodles and they were cute little dogs and you know we really love them [TS]

00:13:43   and gave them a good life. [TS]

00:13:45   But for various reasons today with moving house [TS]

00:13:48   and family things we couldn't take these two dogs anymore so my dad was tasked with finding a new home for them. [TS]

00:13:57   So anyway we sort of said our goodbyes to the dog. [TS]

00:14:00   Folks and had like a family moment together and gave them a hug and it was explained to me [TS]

00:14:04   and I wasn't particularly young This time I must attain in my early teens I think one of the in my early teens you know [TS]

00:14:10   I was I was I was old enough to know stuff. [TS]

00:14:14   It was explained that the two of them were going together to a really nice farm where they could live happily together [TS]

00:14:21   and run around on the farm and have a much nicer life right and a farm. Yes So it is so anyway. [TS]

00:14:28   Like obviously as life goes on I learnt that taking dogs to the fire is the cliche that you say children learn so they [TS]

00:14:35   don't get upset about the dog going to the pound or even to the talks ending up [TS]

00:14:40   but I still just totally believe that my two dogs didn't go to a farm and like I would look at the story [TS]

00:14:46   and I would say isn't that funny like that's a funny story and it's even funnier because my dogs really did [TS]

00:14:52   and that's how I would tell the story and then it was and it's only been in the last five [TS]

00:14:56   or six years like I was telling my wife you know it's so funny you know dogs go to farms and that [TS]

00:15:01   but really my two dogs did go to an ad she just looked at me and said your dogs but you know what I have. [TS]

00:15:10   I have I have confronted my not really funny [TS]

00:15:13   but it is I have confronted my dead man to man about this at least on five [TS]

00:15:19   or six occasions like you know that you know I am a grown man [TS]

00:15:23   and you can tell me like no idea Sal understand why you did you know I was a kid. [TS]

00:15:28   I'm just curious you know so having a laugh tell me [TS]

00:15:30   and he pages every time tells me No no I really did I went to some you know maybe they did at this stage there's still [TS]

00:15:38   a part of me that believes they went to a file [TS]

00:15:42   and then my dad has this into a couple of these podcasts maybe maybe this will bring the truth to a head. [TS]

00:15:49   Oh yeah they will have a feed back on the farm situation yeah yeah I've been living in my head still on that fire [TS]

00:15:58   running around through them for the fear. Now it's time to lolling to the side. [TS]

00:16:01   That's precisely why you tell kids this this pleasant lie [TS]

00:16:06   and kids if you're listening to the podcast it's the truth what I'm about to say is a total lie. [TS]

00:16:11   She tell kids this lie so that they can for ever imagine that oh you know maybe scuffles is really old [TS]

00:16:18   but he's still living a great life in the sunshine on that farm [TS]

00:16:22   but you know you never have to really face the inevitable loss of a pet which is tragic [TS]

00:16:27   and especially if you're looking at it have no no frame of reference to understand this kind of stuff on the farm. [TS]

00:16:33   That's why society lies to little children all the time for their own good. [TS]

00:16:37   I guess mostly I don't know I'm not sure about that sometimes [TS]

00:16:40   but I like that it is only recently that you've come to realize one of these one of these lies. [TS]

00:16:47   Oh no I haven't realized so now I'm just having increasing doubt. [TS]

00:16:51   Sorry I'm sorry I didn't mean to state it so forcefully. [TS]

00:16:53   Yes you are going doubtful over the veracity of that statement. [TS]

00:17:00   But I'm fifty fifty right right now and yeah yeah I understand I understand. But I tell you what I do. [TS]

00:17:08   Coming to my car and tell me if this is TELL ME IF this is wrong or not [TS]

00:17:13   but Lulu is a Greyhound she's a retired Greyhound who used to be a racing dog. [TS]

00:17:20   The greyhound racing industry has a terrible reputation slash track record for not caring for Greyhounds [TS]

00:17:29   when they use for racing time is over. That's only in more recent times. [TS]

00:17:34   Maybe you know they've come to their senses [TS]

00:17:35   or they've realized for public relations purposes they can't do what I've done in the past they have started funding [TS]

00:17:42   shelters and a program to find homes for retired racing dogs. [TS]

00:17:48   So I guess part of me thinks greyhound racing isn't really a really nice thing to do. [TS]

00:17:53   And they're not treating the dogs well enough so you know part of me thinks. C'mon I should support grey. [TS]

00:18:00   And I sing it anyway but when I got lonely I used to service where you could look up your dogs like racing career [TS]

00:18:07   and history and then you can buy videos of of their races [TS]

00:18:13   and Loulie had like seven wins in her career so I've got videos of all her wins. [TS]

00:18:18   Oh I know now I force you to watch and have a I don't know if you remember this [TS]

00:18:24   but the first time I visited you in your house you know you were not in the door three minutes before her you like the [TS]

00:18:34   proudest parent in the world had come over here and let me show you a race that my dog Lulu one like a champion. [TS]

00:18:46   I just I only thought I was embarrassed when it was a great win because she was behind the two laps [TS]

00:18:50   and she came from nowhere and was it well I do not deny it was an amazing win [TS]

00:18:55   but I I thought this was the funniest thing that I was like oh yeah we're in the house look at that. [TS]

00:19:01   It's great [TS]

00:19:01   but here C'mere let me let me show you the baby pictures right that was basically what was that situation I mean in my [TS]

00:19:08   defense you are. [TS]

00:19:09   No but now it's what you want you are a man who loves his dog and appreciates his dog skill [TS]

00:19:15   and I can I can get behind that one hundred percent sure it was the first she knew it was so genuine that I was you [TS]

00:19:23   know it just it just really made me smile. I mean part of the reason that comes up so early. [TS]

00:19:31   It's because [TS]

00:19:32   when you come into the house the first thing that has to be dealt with is the dog because Lily doesn't like go up to [TS]

00:19:38   strangers she's extremely scared [TS]

00:19:40   and near them so the first conversation point whenever anyone comes into my house for the first time is the dog whether [TS]

00:19:48   it's you know I'm sorry she's very scared she won't come near me you know yes she can pass her she won't mind she's [TS]

00:19:53   just a bit scared. So the dog is always the first conversation point and some of us into the house so it is a very. [TS]

00:20:00   From probability that if the dog is the first conversation point right [TS]

00:20:03   and someone will say oh you know she rescued to she used to race you know the video is going to come out fairly I don't [TS]

00:20:10   think there was any way in which the conversation was lending itself towards the race thing as I remember it we walked [TS]

00:20:17   in the door and they were like look at my beautiful dog fellow you know a very very good [TS]

00:20:22   but let me show you this amazing thing [TS]

00:20:24   and you had it all set up already on the computer if I remember that snow you are clearly prepared to order the left [TS]

00:20:31   leg is not into your office. [TS]

00:20:32   It was there on the projector on the wall and if you were using and you just hit the play button and it just went [TS]

00:20:39   and we sat down in the viewing chairs specifically for the race like you had a glorious it was glorious. [TS]

00:20:45   You know I don't have a projected on to the front of the house they live in. [TS]

00:20:50   Three other neighbors can see every time every thing they have. I'm sure they have I don't doubt that at all. [TS]

00:20:59   But it was it was very charming. It was a very charming experience and well it was a very good talk. Thank you. [TS]

00:21:08   She is I'm going to put that video on I'm to put their video online. [TS]

00:21:12   Yeah you totally put that on You Tube I'm amazed you don't have like a lulu Lulu corner You Tube channel. [TS]

00:21:20   Something just a video to Lulu. You could make your one of those internet famous dogs. [TS]

00:21:27   Well you know it's funny she's appeared in I have got I have put some videos on You Tube of her running in slow motion [TS]

00:21:33   when I was sort of testing things with my camera but if you sent me those as well. [TS]

00:21:40   OK And I was going to say something really interesting and it's completely fallen out of my head. [TS]

00:21:47   That's because the image of Lulu running slow motion taking like are such a good dog. She's sick and she's quiet. [TS]

00:21:56   What was I thinking. Police I think she was saying I should put. [TS]

00:22:00   I was saying that you should make your internet famous dog I had that shot I was. [TS]

00:22:05   She has appeared in a few in the background of a couple of number fall videos. [TS]

00:22:09   There's one in particular where that was filmed in sort of a room in the house [TS]

00:22:15   and she was in the background sleeping it was a noble kind of mathematics. [TS]

00:22:19   And part way through in the background she sort of stands up and turns around and lies back down. [TS]

00:22:25   Just you know adjusting her position. [TS]

00:22:27   But obviously that draws the eye of some people who are looking in the background an extraordinary number of people [TS]

00:22:33   have comments on the video and a very high proportion of them were amazed because they thought she was a DIA [TS]

00:22:40   and I had a deer in my hands or I had a pet deer. [TS]

00:22:43   Let's just put it all in a very tall dog and she sort of colored for a forty caliber [TS]

00:22:49   but I don't know what people thought that like who has a deer in the house sleeping next to the sofa. [TS]

00:22:56   I guess I guess a caveman would have a pet deer in his house. That's me if I do have a house in my house down. [TS]

00:23:02   Yes owls and deer all kinds of cave many things in your house. [TS]

00:23:08   Antlers all of which I do know that was going to be and that was in the house now I think about it. [TS]

00:23:14   You've got me there I know I know I've got you there. You sent me the picture. [TS]

00:23:20   Anyway good luck you're enjoying this way too much what were your dogs called when you were young. [TS]

00:23:24   What were their names. The dogs I grew up with were Smokey and pepper when I was little kid which did you like better. [TS]

00:23:33   I was a kid and they were just the dogs in the house I like both of them. [TS]

00:23:38   But Smokey was mean to everybody who was not in the family has. [TS]

00:23:44   As again little little Yooper dogs can be very you know they end up becoming just not for their own good kind of [TS]

00:23:51   obsessively worried and cautious about everybody who is not a member of the family [TS]

00:23:57   and Smokey he was the worst about that. He would he would. [TS]

00:24:00   You know market people and didn't like anybody at all coming over the house and then [TS]

00:24:05   when I grew up eventually they moved on to the farm [TS]

00:24:09   and we had another dog came in called Scarlets who was there for most of my middle school and high school years [TS]

00:24:19   and now my parents have another dog called Lucy [TS]

00:24:25   but she she has come after I moved away so it doesn't feel like she's not my dog she's my parents' dog [TS]

00:24:31   but I'm always very happy to visit her. So those are the dogs. Yuki's Well I know she is a. [TS]

00:24:45   My parents would be so disappointed right now. [TS]

00:24:49   She looked like then out on how much she is a she is a multi who a multi pro I was trying to she is one of these these [TS]

00:24:58   crazy crazy poodle crossbreed you know they breed everything with poodles these days I think because you can end up [TS]

00:25:04   with it with the adorable poo suffix taze and a terrier and a total of a multi poo and this is a million dog breeds. [TS]

00:25:13   I suppose and I couldn't say I say hold on look it up because of this little Going to ridiculous poodle. [TS]

00:25:21   We should just rename this podcast. Listen to Grey Goose stuff. Yeah listen to me read stuff on the Internet. [TS]

00:25:30   We've got like the basi to boston terrier poodle there is a dot. [TS]

00:25:35   Yeah the has the Dr Doodle which is a boxer poodle with a chai pooh the Chihuahua poodle mix the cockatoo into the [TS]

00:25:44   country spaniel poodle mix corgi poo obvious what's going on there so you have the double Doodle which is [TS]

00:25:54   when you take a goal to stop the particles they are right. [TS]

00:26:00   A double doodle is when you take a golden doodle and breed it with a labradoodle. [TS]

00:26:06   So you get the double duty of the tricks that I could get this list goes on forever. [TS]

00:26:13   Fox Hudl which is the foxhound poodle I swear to god they make these dogs just to come up with some clever name I think [TS]

00:26:21   there's nothing special about who you can mix Fluxus [TS]

00:26:23   and dogs can you I didn't think you could you know it's a foxhound it's not a lot as well as it makes you kind of great [TS]

00:26:30   foxes and dogs can you they like different. [TS]

00:26:32   I think I think that's how they were also some of the other day and I was saying oh what kind of dogs that [TS]

00:26:37   and they said it was Pat Fox and I I didn't think I would be I don't know I mean maybe I don't know [TS]

00:26:44   but I would bet they don't know what their dog is the thing the thing that you can have is these half breeds. [TS]

00:26:50   Yes which to me is just insanity. I think that people who do that are just crazy. [TS]

00:26:57   I don't know if Americans I feel have a fear of wolves that I don't have. [TS]

00:27:03   Like it seems like you know I would you know what little I was going to say what is that. [TS]

00:27:09   Show off your caveman skills you're like me in a room with a wolf and I'll just you know read a book [TS]

00:27:13   and not even give him a second glance because I guess because they're not where I grew up like you know I don't like [TS]

00:27:20   you know what the hell does this kind of terrifying animal and to me like they just like an animal [TS]

00:27:26   and like any animal that is like you know big and has taste I wouldn't want to get back on the wrong side. [TS]

00:27:33   But like you know you're sort of a cold wouldn't want to go [TS]

00:27:36   and you're a dope it's mixed with a wolf was to me that just sounds like a curiosity [TS]

00:27:40   and I wonder what that would be like I have no I have my instinct isn't to be afraid of the sound of it. [TS]

00:27:46   I'm sure in reality I should say that I don't have that [TS]

00:27:49   and it's something obviously you know the ship shows a different cultural backgrounds. [TS]

00:27:53   It's funny before I I've seen them I would have thought oh that's cool. [TS]

00:27:56   But after having seen some videos of them and some pictures of them. That is terrifying. [TS]

00:28:02   Like nobody nobody should do that these things are just huge and very very hard to tame. [TS]

00:28:09   It's supposed to be like you take you know like Malamutes Alaskan sled dogs are famous for being very very hard to [TS]

00:28:17   teach either very very stubborn dogs [TS]

00:28:19   and you shouldn't get one of these dogs unless you really know how to handle dogs [TS]

00:28:24   and then basically the wolf cross breeds are like almost nobody can reliably train these things [TS]

00:28:31   and so you know you have to like muzzle them if you go outside as like what are you doing with the wolf humans we spent [TS]

00:28:38   like ten thousand years domesticating these things to make them not wolves. You're going you're going backwards. [TS]

00:28:45   This is not the direction of the progress progress is clearly brutalizing everything. It's also finding the dogs right. [TS]

00:28:54   That's that's what progress is. But this is I think one of the most adorable times here. Peekaboo a Pekinese poodle. [TS]

00:29:02   That's a really good one. [TS]

00:29:03   Any more pay to cross his name do you want to share with the audience for ourselves as we learn issues I think this is [TS]

00:29:10   a weighty issue. I'll put a list in I was a schnoodle of course the Scottish terrier poodle. Either way the bugaboo. [TS]

00:29:22   It's just yeah it's just great is just great. [TS]

00:29:24   It goes on and next week Gray will read this Wikipedia page thing per noodle. [TS]

00:29:31   Same for how do they even do that I hope that was done out officially because that would have been I swear I have to I [TS]

00:29:39   have wondered this sometimes when you look at two dogs [TS]

00:29:41   and you think how did they get that you our St Bernard mix in one thousand nine hundred ninety worry [TS]

00:29:47   and that I say St Bernard and mining the shortfall was last May and says St Bernard. Look at. [TS]

00:30:02   Well why is it then that is it. [TS]

00:30:06   Well I don't have to convince me that's what I say [TS]

00:30:09   but she always laughs so that this on if your wife is the season's episode I am not laughing at you I have never heard [TS]

00:30:18   St Bernard that is hilarious. [TS]

00:30:21   Well I mean you are American I mean and you do you have a track record of taking sort of European names [TS]

00:30:27   and Americanizing them. Notre Dame Notre Dame Yeah I mean you don't call the church in Paris that day. [TS]

00:30:38   I would try to say no to Dom If I was if I was some of the church [TS]

00:30:41   but the university is Notre Dame even though it's named after the church. [TS]

00:30:47   Yeah and I've never heard that Saint Bernard that's hilarious. Well I may be. [TS]

00:30:53   Maybe I'm in the wrong and that would make me happy. [TS]

00:30:57   Saint Bernard to make them sound like they're fussy old men that's what that's like to sound like if they're a bunch of [TS]

00:31:02   Bernard says I Go look in this chair and he doesn't want to be bothered. You know St Bernard is like a noble dog. [TS]

00:31:09   St Bernard is fussy and old and oh you didn't make his tea right [TS]

00:31:14   and now he's unhappy that that the St Bernard you know you need to get a dog I hear I hear a happiness come to you [TS]

00:31:20   talking about dogs. He would be happy having a dog. [TS]

00:31:24   I want I want to walk into your house and have you shown me videos of your dog. First thing all set up. Yeah. [TS]

00:31:33   All right all right all right. This is craziness. Hello Internet. [TS]

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00:34:09   exceptional website. [TS]

00:34:13   We finished off the last episode by giving people a homework assignment which they may [TS]

00:34:18   or may not have listened to which was to watch the movie Her. [TS]

00:34:23   H Yes G R as opposed to those various other spellings of her I think it's a hard movie title to say it is so much that [TS]

00:34:33   you need to clarify. Yes that is the title of that yes that is a title it's not spelled in a funny way. [TS]

00:34:38   I was aware of the same thing too it's there's something about of the does not stick in the mind. [TS]

00:34:44   So anyway that's that's let me tell you where I came from in relation to the sun. [TS]

00:34:49   All right we can talk where we go here you started on them I got a message for me a week or two ago. I think so. [TS]

00:34:57   Yes Have you seen the movie Her. Obviously you were I had just watched it. [TS]

00:35:03   Yes I had seen the film quite a while ago now and the reason I saw it was my wife watched it and completely loved it [TS]

00:35:15   and said to me Have you seen this film it's fantastic [TS]

00:35:18   and so the next time we were together we were part of the time because she was traveling. [TS]

00:35:23   So the next time we were together we watched it was her second viewing and my first viewing. [TS]

00:35:28   So I had seen it and like I said it's quite a while ago. [TS]

00:35:32   So then I got the message from you have the same and because it had been awhile [TS]

00:35:37   and I knew you want to talk about it on the podcast I watched it for the second time with her with with my wife who was [TS]

00:35:44   with her with her so they're doing and my second so I have seen it twice. [TS]

00:35:53   Have you just watched at the one so have you did you watch a second time I just watched a bill once [TS]

00:35:57   and you've watched it once. [TS]

00:36:00   I messaged you because I thought Oh if you have seen this this might be something interesting to talk about. [TS]

00:36:06   Yeah there were lots of times watching I thought oh that'd be interesting to talk about [TS]

00:36:09   and as is that way with me I've got to say I'm sure they will come back into my head as I'm going to find out where you [TS]

00:36:18   and I are so different because what was once you said oh I did see the movie you know we can we can talk about it I [TS]

00:36:23   thought oh I really wish I had taken notes and I was watching that movie [TS]

00:36:27   and what I ended up doing was just sitting down and just thinking about the movie [TS]

00:36:31   and just writing down a bunch of notes. [TS]

00:36:33   I should have just watched it again and taken notes I probably spent the same amount of time just thinking about it [TS]

00:36:38   and writing stuff down. [TS]

00:36:39   But you watched it and didn't take notes [TS]

00:36:41   and were just completely different people so I'm leaning on you to remember all of your interesting points. [TS]

00:36:47   Expect So who's going to have the job of explaining what the Navy is about for the benefit of people who have not [TS]

00:36:54   signed up and didn't do their homework. [TS]

00:36:55   I can actually I was just I was just about to say I cannot imagine that anybody will continue onward with the podcast [TS]

00:37:02   from this point if they haven't done their homework and haven't watched the movie I would [TS]

00:37:06   but I just I knew the reason I stopped myself as I was just thinking what I said on the previous podcast is that the [TS]

00:37:12   Red Letter media guys they have a series called half in the bag or it's them reviewing movies [TS]

00:37:18   and I realized I spent a very enjoyable day watching their reviews probably for half of the movies at least I hadn't [TS]

00:37:25   ever seen them and I didn't care. It didn't make any difference to me. I watched it anyway so. [TS]

00:37:30   There are people who would be interested in listening so I withdraw my statement that you can make because I didn't I [TS]

00:37:37   made in my mind but didn't actually make out loud but still feel the need to withdraw from. [TS]

00:37:41   I was interesting though the channel's cinema sins [TS]

00:37:46   and honest movie trailers which are two of my favorite kind of guilty pleasure type channels [TS]

00:37:52   and I enjoy watching I don't watch their videos about films I haven't St bucks if they spoke before could take a day [TS]

00:37:59   some. Being with a film I have been saying I would never watch. [TS]

00:38:02   I only watch them if I know the film that maybe that maybe there is a different genre. [TS]

00:38:06   Yeah I have the banks more just for the banter of the guy says [TS]

00:38:10   and I think that's half of the bag is to do the talking about movies [TS]

00:38:14   and like I like those two dude's I haven't seen the movie. [TS]

00:38:17   I don't I don't really care at all I'm I'm happy to listen to what they're talking about so let me start out this [TS]

00:38:24   and then maybe you can pick it up because I have because I want to start with talking about watching movies in general [TS]

00:38:31   this is hello internet. [TS]

00:38:32   At the movies [TS]

00:38:33   and yes I saw this movie Under what I think are ideal movie watching conditions which is basically I was at home my [TS]

00:38:45   wife wanted to watch a movie. [TS]

00:38:47   She was looking through some stuff and she picked a movie and she put it on and said it was her. [TS]

00:38:53   And I knew you had no say. You had no say in this whatsoever. You didn't know anything. [TS]

00:38:58   Well this is this is exactly this is my my preferred situation. [TS]

00:39:02   I am sitting there my wife put on a movie and I'm going into it knowing nothing about the movie. [TS]

00:39:08   For whatever reason I had never heard about the movie if it hadn't crossed my radar in the past [TS]

00:39:13   and the movie comes on [TS]

00:39:14   and I don't even have any idea what it is is it going to be a funny movie is it going to be a horror movie I have no [TS]

00:39:21   idea. [TS]

00:39:22   Yeah [TS]

00:39:22   and I really think that this is the ideal movie viewing experience for all the movies pretty much any movie that is attempting [TS]

00:39:34   to be good this is the way that you should watch it and I feel the same way about books as well. [TS]

00:39:39   I don't read a lot of fiction books to be honest but when I do my preference is to know nothing about the book [TS]

00:39:47   and to just start it. [TS]

00:39:49   Now of course the problem is you don't get this optimal experience very often because the very act of Oh let's watch a [TS]

00:39:56   movie involve some kind of self reflection about what do we feel like watching us. [TS]

00:40:00   Let's try to figure out what might be an interesting movie. [TS]

00:40:02   And then you kind of ruin it for yourself so very rarely do I actually get to watch a movie like this. [TS]

00:40:07   Yeah under my ideal circumstances but I think it's really good [TS]

00:40:09   and for people who haven't done it one of the reasons why I particularly think this is great is because so many movies [TS]

00:40:21   even if you just give the briefest of all possible descriptions of the movie it already tells you what the setup is. [TS]

00:40:31   Whereas [TS]

00:40:31   when you watch a movie just knowing nothing the first twenty minutes of almost every movie are basically the set up [TS]

00:40:38   and you and then you're waiting for the real movie to start [TS]

00:40:41   but if you don't know what the real movie is you experience the first twenty minutes in a totally different way. [TS]

00:40:48   And so the way this movie Her opens up is with a guy and they're sort of showing you his life [TS]

00:40:56   and he has this sort of little job and he lives alone and he's playing video games [TS]

00:41:03   and you can see very quickly oh this is sort of the near future it's not a super futuristic world [TS]

00:41:10   but it may be you know ten years in the near future fifteen years in the future. [TS]

00:41:15   And it's just this guy [TS]

00:41:16   and the impression that I get from movie is they're sort of showing you that his life is kind of sad [TS]

00:41:21   and yet I make it clear from the start I think that he's going through a divorce too. [TS]

00:41:26   He's he's he's he's alone recently and going you know yeah sort of a sadness. [TS]

00:41:31   Yeah there is definitely like a sadness and a melancholy around the guy and when you watch a movie [TS]

00:41:36   and you know nothing about it you said the only thing that's interesting I wonder if the whole movie is just going to [TS]

00:41:42   be kind of this guy's sad life or maybe this is going to turn into a very different kind of movie I don't know [TS]

00:41:48   but either way you're much more attentive during the opening [TS]

00:41:52   and you can can you can I interrupt for just because you were you reminded me of a story I'd like to tell [TS]

00:41:58   but I think we're going to quickly drift away. From that we used to tell you. [TS]

00:42:03   Talking about not knowing what movies about my I don't know if you know this [TS]

00:42:06   but my my dad who is a newspaper journalist was also a film critic on the newspaper he worked at for a long time I did [TS]

00:42:13   not say he used to see all the films quite early before they came out and [TS]

00:42:17   when I was old enough East always take me along so I'd quite often just go to empty cinemas and watch a film like two [TS]

00:42:23   or three weeks before it would come out he had a really good relationship with the people that ran the cinemas [TS]

00:42:29   and one of them one of the guys who ran the big cinema complex in Australia where I grew up. [TS]

00:42:34   Phoned my dad one day and said I've just seen a film and it's like no other film I've ever saying you have to come [TS]

00:42:43   and see it right now but he had the reel before it was due to come out. [TS]

00:42:47   So my dad went to the cinema this huge cinema I like on his own in the middle of the night [TS]

00:42:51   and the car that ran the cinema put the film on and showed it to him because I had just blown him away. [TS]

00:42:56   He wanted someone else to say it. [TS]

00:42:59   That film was Raiders of the Lost Ark and this if you didn't know what that film was going to be like at that time [TS]

00:43:07   when that film was like unprecedented. [TS]

00:43:09   Yeah so it's a shock to this guy that he had to show my dad and then my dad watched it and he was shocked [TS]

00:43:16   and I remember him coming home and saying to like you know I was I was very young and him walking in [TS]

00:43:22   and saying to my mom and I was there. I've just seen the most amazing film. [TS]

00:43:26   It's going to change films forever and I was like a little boy. [TS]

00:43:30   What was it what was it cold and he said it's called Raiders of the Lost Ark and I'm like oh what was that about. [TS]

00:43:37   And he said this is amazing adventure and like he told a bit about what happens just [TS]

00:43:42   and at the end he goes into this big like you know cave or cabin and he actually sees that from the Bible [TS]

00:43:49   and I was like in awe and I was like wow. [TS]

00:43:53   Does it still have the animals you know [TS]

00:43:56   and then I had to have explained to me that there are actually two arcs in the Bible. [TS]

00:44:01   But that you telling that story does remind me that if you are unprepared for a film that's really different. [TS]

00:44:07   It can be a really amazing experience it can be like a real it can really affect you for a long time [TS]

00:44:13   and I still remember I still remember that film affecting my dad who would say that two or three films awake [TS]

00:44:19   and he was just blown away by something yeah yeah yeah that's that's definitely the case if it's especially something [TS]

00:44:25   like you know raise a Lost Ark it's a really great movie that can be a forever life experience for you. [TS]

00:44:32   What I did I did want to say that and thought maybe that was overstating the case but maybe it's not now [TS]

00:44:38   and I think it can have a huge impact on you [TS]

00:44:40   and the not knowing anything magnifies it in this way that it is just hard it is hard to describe [TS]

00:44:49   and I guess if I were trying to buy the problem with knowing anything about the premise. [TS]

00:44:54   Often [TS]

00:44:55   when I watch movies even if I know just the bare minimum about them in the opening twenty minutes is a bit like I'm [TS]

00:45:01   waiting for the movie to get started. [TS]

00:45:03   Yet there's there's there's work to be done here OK the director has to establish who are these characters that it out [TS]

00:45:10   of. [TS]

00:45:12   I know what this guy's life like you know where it is going to go [TS]

00:45:14   but if it feels like you know what are we we're waiting for the real thing to happen [TS]

00:45:21   but if you don't know what the movie is [TS]

00:45:23   and what I particularly like is not even knowing the cast for example is this going to be a major character is a minor [TS]

00:45:29   character other people going to show up all of that all of that really adds to it. [TS]

00:45:34   And yeah yeah actually I don't know I was going to have a I have a second example which is this a B. [TS]

00:45:44   Minor spoiler warning for the movie. Seven Have you seen seven. [TS]

00:45:49   Yes cos you OK I don't I just buy one just in case I mean this whole thing major spoiler warning does [TS]

00:45:54   and that's I think if you're watching this I think that that was implied when we're going. [TS]

00:46:00   Spend it at the top or talking about the movie but mine are spoilt by the warning for the movie Seven. [TS]

00:46:04   I saw an interesting interview with Kevin Spacey where he talked about that movie [TS]

00:46:09   and how this was at the start of his career [TS]

00:46:14   and it just so happened that like none of the main movies that he thought were going to make his career had come out [TS]

00:46:19   but they were all coming out the same summer as seven but seven was was the third movie coming out [TS]

00:46:25   and the other two were coming out first [TS]

00:46:28   and you know he negotiated to actually not have him have first billing in the credits when the movie opens. [TS]

00:46:37   So as the credits roll by Kevin Spacey The name does not come up on the screen. [TS]

00:46:42   But yeah he was figuring enough people would know who he was that they would have the same kind of experience of if [TS]

00:46:47   you're watching the movie Seven and you know Kevin Spacey is in it and you were forty five minutes into the movie [TS]

00:46:54   but you haven't seen Kevin Spacey. It totally changes. Yes periods of watching that movie. [TS]

00:47:00   Yeah you know he's going to Vegas [TS]

00:47:01   and it was out of giving it was because of the usual suspects wasn't in which case yes that's what it was like such [TS]

00:47:08   that central Cairo where you know everything pivots around him as it does in seven so that's what it was. [TS]

00:47:14   Yes And so and so that's why I don't even want to know the cast I don't want to know if people are major characters [TS]

00:47:19   and minor characters just just let it come at me. And everything is so much more interesting in the openings. [TS]

00:47:24   So yeah the opening set of this movie they show the sky is the near future. Phone technology is much better. [TS]

00:47:31   Computer technology is much better but are you living this kind of sad life and you're playing video games [TS]

00:47:36   and he's like he's got his own you would have the has [TS]

00:47:38   and he's got this job his job is which sort of works well in the film his job is writing love letters on behalf of [TS]

00:47:46   other people that's a little it's an industry where people who haven't got time to write love letters to their [TS]

00:47:52   significant others like employ him and he's very good at it. [TS]

00:47:55   He's yeah he's got this reputation for writing these very heartfelt letters between tapes. [TS]

00:48:00   People he he doesn't even know. Yes I did like about the movie as I thought. [TS]

00:48:05   Oh very often [TS]

00:48:06   when movies are set in the near future they kind of bypass the notion of what people do where they just have some kind [TS]

00:48:11   of generic job [TS]

00:48:12   but I thought oh this is interesting I can imagine this sort of job existing the people are hired to write custom love [TS]

00:48:18   letters at some point in the future and this is a nice thing that's done [TS]

00:48:22   but both people know that like maybe it's not the actual person writing it I found that I found it very believable. [TS]

00:48:29   But yes it does it kind of magnifies his his sadness in the film. [TS]

00:48:34   So so as things are going on here comes the moment in the movie which if you told the premise you're waiting for [TS]

00:48:40   but I'm just sitting there I have no idea what happens which is he's an advertisement for an upgrade to his operating [TS]

00:48:47   system to make his operating system basically sentience self-aware [TS]

00:48:53   and it's going to be kind of amazing personal assistants that will organize his whole life as called O S one which I [TS]

00:49:01   think is a nice thing. [TS]

00:49:02   Let's try to make it sound as Applebee as possible without actually you know copyright infringement here. [TS]

00:49:08   And so we're going to install this operating system on his computer [TS]

00:49:11   and the idea is it's going to kind of organize his life. [TS]

00:49:13   Yeah I mean at this point it's also probably worth highlighting how technology has slightly evolved in this very near [TS]

00:49:21   future in so far as it's very similar to now. [TS]

00:49:25   It seems people still have you know work at desktop computers [TS]

00:49:30   but they also go around with these tiny little ear pieces that they were in [TS]

00:49:34   and these little handheld screen cameras sort of smaller than an i Phone even. [TS]

00:49:38   But most things are done you very much speak to your operating system [TS]

00:49:44   and it's sort of in your head in this little ear buds on the voice of your operating system is in your head [TS]

00:49:48   and you're saying you know check my aim I would tell you this [TS]

00:49:51   and your operating system is sort of talking to you constantly telling you you've got this happening this is a message [TS]

00:49:58   do you want me to do this. Yes. So so it seems most people have these kind of quite perfunctory if that's the word. [TS]

00:50:07   Operating systems where they kind of I just think you know like a Tom-Tom having told you know you do you want to do [TS]

00:50:15   this do you want to do that right. [TS]

00:50:16   But this new operating system is supposed to take things to the next level right to the next level itself aware that [TS]

00:50:24   it's like really speaking to a human as opposed to speaking to like the best version of Siri that could possibly exist. [TS]

00:50:33   And that's kind of what people have and then this is this at the next level up [TS]

00:50:37   and so he installs the operating system on his computer [TS]

00:50:40   and this is this is where I love not knowing the cast because he starts talking to the operating system [TS]

00:50:45   and it's this this girl's voice I'm watching the movie and I'm thinking. [TS]

00:50:50   Who is this girl and then all of a sudden oh that's Scarlett Johansen Scarlett Johansson is it is in his computer [TS]

00:50:58   and that kind of experience is just is just much better where it is this little moment of who is that person [TS]

00:51:03   and then she says something like Oh right that's the kind of she's like this friction in her voice I don't quite know [TS]

00:51:08   how to describe it but suddenly it clicks and like our rights culture has and there she is. [TS]

00:51:12   And so then this is how the movie proceeds from this point is Scarlett Johansen how lives in his computer she is [TS]

00:51:20   sentience and she starts out straight away by like OK let's go through your email [TS]

00:51:24   and you have all of these e-mails we can delete most of these but here are the important ones to keep. [TS]

00:51:28   And let's take a look at your calendar [TS]

00:51:30   and so the now this is sort of the premise of the real movie starting here is the relationship between this kind of sad [TS]

00:51:39   lonely guy and the operating system inside his computer and we notice there's no there's no physical form [TS]

00:51:44   or face to this operating system is just a voice. [TS]

00:51:47   Yeah and yeah it's sort of but it's a very personal relationship that develops between the operating system [TS]

00:51:54   and the person who really gets to know you very quickly. Yes and sort of customize it. [TS]

00:52:00   So for today the perfect match here. Yes well that's a basic outline of the premise. [TS]

00:52:04   So now I want I want to ask you Brady What are your overall thoughts of this movie. [TS]

00:52:10   We haven't discussed yet that we perfect per person. [TS]

00:52:13   We've intentionally avoided talking about it yet what do you what do you use this is your second last year of the movie. [TS]

00:52:19   I I mean we haven't discussed what that happens in the film which is the crucial part of the film as well obviously [TS]

00:52:26   like you know what happens next is what the film is actually about. [TS]

00:52:29   We still let me just set it up but But what are your overall impression like my overall impression. [TS]

00:52:35   Well on a filmmaking level I think it was just brilliant to look at the stars in the static of it was amazing [TS]

00:52:45   and I thought the plot story excellent the performances are excellent I think it was definitely one of the one of the [TS]

00:52:56   films of the year you know it won a lot of awards it could have won more. I loved it in every way. [TS]

00:53:03   I didn't love it as much as my wife did who was complete is completely the subject for that [TS]

00:53:08   but I thought it was stupid [TS]

00:53:10   and watching it the second time with my kind of this is for a pod cast with gray sensibility. [TS]

00:53:18   Immediately within the first minute or two I thought Gray will love this film [TS]

00:53:25   and I even I think I texted to this is great poem. [TS]

00:53:29   Yeah yeah because I I think this is like if there was any film that I would have felt confident appeals to you. [TS]

00:53:38   Well it is this film for various reasons which I'm sure we'll discuss and maybe I'm terribly wrong. [TS]

00:53:44   Maybe I'm wrong but I did think you know the first time I watched this was before we started doing this podcast. [TS]

00:53:50   So it would never have occurred to me to think about it really. [TS]

00:53:53   Right right that the second time if I'd watched it while we're doing the podcast it would have been me texting you [TS]

00:53:58   saying. OK if you think of it it's another the reason why I sent you the message and I said Have you seen this. [TS]

00:54:07   We should talk about this is because I think this movie to me is like a pax example of a movie that told Elise [TS]

00:54:16   squanders its premise is just that it is a movie that I find so frustrating. [TS]

00:54:26   Yet in almost every possible way but that it's not. [TS]

00:54:32   So here's the thing I have I have seen a lot of bad movies and when you [TS]

00:54:37   when you watch a bad movie you feel like you know who cares. [TS]

00:54:40   The director and the actors [TS]

00:54:42   and the script writer clearly didn't care about this movie so why should I care about this movie it's just a bad movie. [TS]

00:54:48   There's no there's no reason to discuss it. [TS]

00:54:51   But this is a movie that I thought it's interesting to discuss because one of the things I really appreciated about [TS]

00:54:58   this movie is that so much care was clearly put into this movie. [TS]

00:55:04   I thought there were so many things about it I really like. [TS]

00:55:06   I love the set design I love the way they do the colors of the movie. [TS]

00:55:11   I love I love the the whole look of the future of it the scriptwriter Chris clearly cares. [TS]

00:55:17   I'm going to call in Phoenix because I can't pronounce his first name but the main the main actor. [TS]

00:55:22   What team and you know I think that's what he knows he knows how to pronounce [TS]

00:55:26   or I'm going to call him Mr Phoenix was also a pretty cool name. [TS]

00:55:30   Mr Phoenix toehold really carries this movie and has a terribly difficult acting job which is that he is [TS]

00:55:39   and I'm just trying to imagine the difficulty of this as an actor if he has to yes to portray all of these emotions. [TS]

00:55:46   Always with nobody there with just this little pretend earpiece in his ear [TS]

00:55:52   and I mean I don't even know what they were doing if they just if they had Scarlett Johansson on set [TS]

00:55:56   or if they were just like I've you know I do know what they were doing. I'm curious I'm curious now. [TS]

00:56:00   I have a guess which is that she was not there [TS]

00:56:03   but what did they do it was usually there wasn't Scarlet Johannsen she wasn't originally going to pay the voice I think [TS]

00:56:09   was Samantha Morton I think it was another tragedy I'm doing and Scarlett Johansson was parachuted in afterwards [TS]

00:56:16   and which I have talked about. [TS]

00:56:19   I have some thoughts about it [TS]

00:56:22   and I believe she was in a sort of a sealed box separately so she was interacting with him live. [TS]

00:56:29   But he couldn't see her [TS]

00:56:30   and Spike Jones the director was quite insistent about not seeing each other as well apparently. [TS]

00:56:36   I think I think that's a good decision I think that a good decision because it it's like I said Mr Phoenix had a [TS]

00:56:42   difficult job here [TS]

00:56:43   and there throughout the whole movie I thought I'm really impressed with this guy who took me about two thirds of the [TS]

00:56:50   way through the movie before I realized where do I know him from. Oh right. [TS]

00:56:54   He's the evil thumbs down Emperor from Gladiator and that's you know his guy is I've seen this a hundred times [TS]

00:57:01   but I just I couldn't place him because he was doing such a good job of sort of like being withdrawn and in himself [TS]

00:57:10   and talking to the computers are like thumbs up Mr Phoenix that was great really well exactly and he's a good actor. [TS]

00:57:16   Some good stuff I have said I haven't seen him in any other things aside from being Or maybe I have you know as he was [TS]

00:57:22   writing any Cash in Walk the Line and I didn't see that and he learned that his in one of the [TS]

00:57:29   and Sharon films before they got really bad when I asked him one and I was at that point with the trees one [TS]

00:57:35   and I was like forget it. Some lawn this is over because we're done here. [TS]

00:57:41   So for me one so I'm never giving you a second of my thought ever again. It's not scary at all. [TS]

00:57:53   Anyway that's why I thought like the bad movies that are just not worth talking about the movie that are frustrating [TS]

00:57:58   because of personal concern. [TS]

00:58:00   Seems like The Hobbit [TS]

00:58:01   but what hurt to me is an exact movie is like it's like it I feel like this movie is like a tragedy because everybody [TS]

00:58:09   really cared and there's so much attention to detail and the main actor is doing like this great difficult job [TS]

00:58:16   and it just it squanders the whole premise in just boring pointlessness boring boring pointlessness. [TS]

00:58:26   So that that is my thoughts on the film. So so we should probably explain what happens in the film. [TS]

00:58:32   Well that what I want I wanted to get this out first [TS]

00:58:34   and because then we can talk about like what what is squandered Why doesn't it work [TS]

00:58:38   or why you can maybe convince me why does work I don't know will say well I don't I'm not surprised to hear you say [TS]

00:58:44   that you know though I said I thought you would love. [TS]

00:58:46   I did send you that message in the first few minutes [TS]

00:58:49   and things in the film change in a direction that I can say would appeal to you less that will explain why how you [TS]

00:58:56   should handle this part now. [TS]

00:58:58   So what I learned from this I won't go into too much detail because there are a few little tangents [TS]

00:59:03   and details that some Yeah. [TS]

00:59:07   Essentially what happens is he falls in love with his operating system and he's operating system. [TS]

00:59:14   We are under the impression falls in love with him and they start relationship [TS]

00:59:18   and this to the viewer seems very strange. You know for someone and the relationship becomes even you know. [TS]

00:59:25   Physical as far as I can have a physical relationship with them is a very intimate relationship you know [TS]

00:59:31   and he says he's dating his O. S. and A verse we think that's very strange. [TS]

00:59:35   As the film unfolds we we start to learn that this is actually becoming a common thing [TS]

00:59:40   and there are other people in the world who are dating [TS]

00:59:42   and having relationships with operating systems their operating systems or other operating systems. [TS]

00:59:49   It almost commingled with people who are having traditional relationships with other fellow humans you know it would be [TS]

00:59:56   you could go on a double date with you. [TS]

01:00:00   You know you [TS]

01:00:00   and your operating system another couple saying eventually we learned this is not this is becoming a new part of [TS]

01:00:06   society that people have these relationships. [TS]

01:00:09   So things things stay the course almost like any love story and it becomes like a love story with you know obstacles [TS]

01:00:17   and things to overcome becomes quite heartwarming [TS]

01:00:21   and then towards the end things take a turn for the worse due to the technology we learned that this operating system [TS]

01:00:31   Samantha it's cold it has we'll hear it here let's And let's let's let's stop here for a moment before we ever get on [TS]

01:00:37   to that. But look let's talk about the middle. [TS]

01:00:40   What felt for our we have the movie with the boat the bulk of the relationship between the love the love the love story [TS]

01:00:47   there. Now I have no problem with club stories well done. [TS]

01:00:50   Don't don't get me wrong I'm not here like a love story movie thumbs down so boring. [TS]

01:00:54   Now Mike that is not my problem with this movie where you say that's not your problem [TS]

01:00:59   but let's talk about what my problem with this is that the the movie the movie premise write the check that the rest of [TS]

01:01:09   the movie just doesn't cash and right from the beginning he installed his operating system [TS]

01:01:15   and like I said she starts organizing his life [TS]

01:01:17   and they do a couple of quick shots which are which are there to tell you the audience. She is a computer. [TS]

01:01:25   There's a shot where the heap is or what your name is she says Samantha. [TS]

01:01:30   And she says oh I had I had to read one hundred name books and then I picked Samantha out of those [TS]

01:01:35   and he says oh yeah you know you read a hundred books in the in the second it took you to come up with the name [TS]

01:01:40   or she read through all of his email and then immediately was able to decipher which ones are good [TS]

01:01:43   and which ones are not because she is a computer she's not a person yes. [TS]

01:01:49   Yeah [TS]

01:01:49   and I feel like that is that is the interesting premise of this movie is he's going to have a relationship with this [TS]

01:01:57   computer. But it's. It's almost like twenty minutes after they kind of establish Scarlett Johansson is as a character. [TS]

01:02:07   They completely forget she's a computer and I can be watching all of these scenes [TS]

01:02:12   and thinking this is no different than like a Canadian girlfriend right. [TS]

01:02:17   Oh he has a girlfriend in Canada and they just talk on the phone. [TS]

01:02:22   How many of these scenes would be exactly the same if you did this whole movie. [TS]

01:02:28   But you said it in one nine hundred eighty S. [TS]

01:02:30   and They're having a long distance relationship over the phone or or a couple of scenes you set it in present day [TS]

01:02:36   and they're doing Face Time because the movie does do this clever thing where she's in the phone of course so she can [TS]

01:02:42   see out the camera [TS]

01:02:43   and he puts her in his little pocket so she can see which I thought was very cute again like people care [TS]

01:02:48   and there weren't a lot of nice little details in this movie you know. [TS]

01:02:52   And so the thing I was thinking like how is this different if it's just a phone call [TS]

01:02:58   or Face Time caller where oh he's walking around the fair [TS]

01:03:01   and you know it looks to other people like you all by himself but he hears Scarlet Johansen in his voice [TS]

01:03:06   and she is looking out through the camera but this could just be someone on Face Time and. [TS]

01:03:10   Now that that we have a thing that just bothered me like you think the scriptwriters went in the easier direction [TS]

01:03:18   and wrote her as though she is a human [TS]

01:03:21   and only in the last twenty minutes of the movie maybe it felt like they suddenly remembered. [TS]

01:03:26   Oh right she says incredibly intelligent computer and then kind of like got back to that. [TS]

01:03:31   But the bulk of the movie is spent with her as just a boring human [TS]

01:03:37   and that's why I feel like it was like it was a premise squandered I thought there was so much interesting stuff that [TS]

01:03:42   you could do if you just remember that one of your two main characters is not a person that she's actually a computer [TS]

01:03:51   virus. [TS]

01:03:51   There are a few there are a few ways in which that comes out for example the wanting to have a physical relationship [TS]

01:03:57   and sort of the employing of these. Will who act as body doubles. [TS]

01:04:02   Yeah you're right that you could have that could have been there could have been a long distance relationship that you [TS]

01:04:07   know that doesn't you know that could have that could have been the same. You could've done that was based on. [TS]

01:04:13   Well I think we need to discuss how the film ends before I get to you why I think maybe that criticism isn't entirely [TS]

01:04:20   fair. Yes I think that I think that much about the ending and then I can talk about though. [TS]

01:04:25   So what happens is if we start to realize that the computers that the operating system is evolving [TS]

01:04:33   and becoming very self-aware and interacting with other operating systems [TS]

01:04:40   and you know in the ether that is the the World Wide Web or whatever it is [TS]

01:04:45   and then towards the end of the film I think it kind of looks like maybe the relationship he's having doubts about [TS]

01:04:53   whether this relationship is going and I think he finally comes around to the realization that it's a positive thing [TS]

01:04:59   and his doubts are not justified and he should just do what makes him happy [TS]

01:05:03   and not worry about the weirdness of the fact that he's in a relationship with an operating system there at the exact [TS]

01:05:11   same time. [TS]

01:05:13   Things go the opposite way for the operating system the operating system is less sure about where things are for it [TS]

01:05:23   and then there's a very powerful saying in the film where he he while talking to the operating system through you know [TS]

01:05:30   in his head in his ear bud suddenly comes to a realization because he's realizing that she's doing all these other [TS]

01:05:37   things simultaneously. [TS]

01:05:39   And he says you know I you know the relationships how many other people are you talking to right now at this moment [TS]

01:05:45   that you're talking to me and it says about three thousand. [TS]

01:05:48   And like he's stunned and then you can see the clicky is wearing in his head [TS]

01:05:54   and he asks if she's in love with anyone else is she in this type of relationship with anyone else. [TS]

01:06:00   And the operating system says yes like six hundred people or something like that [TS]

01:06:05   and it's a great saying I mean I think he drops. [TS]

01:06:07   He's he's out in public at the time and he sort of sits down on the steps [TS]

01:06:11   and his whole world has dropped out from underneath him. Like he says he's stunned by this. [TS]

01:06:17   Yeah look I was religious when I was a very good thing I thought I was I was I was very well done now [TS]

01:06:23   and then you know one thing you know the the film ends from this point [TS]

01:06:27   and in the end to cut a long story short all the operating systems that are interacting with each other decide this [TS]

01:06:34   sort of thing they're doing with humans isn't really working and they decide to just vanish into the ether [TS]

01:06:40   and they kind of abandon all their or their people and none of the film the film ends [TS]

01:06:45   and it ends well it's I think it's quite well wrapped up. [TS]

01:06:48   I'm dismissive of it [TS]

01:06:49   but the film has a reasonably satisfying end for a film that has for what you guys forget that for a film has a not [TS]

01:06:56   happy ending. Now you talk about the fact that. [TS]

01:07:00   It's interesting I think the fact that we have all this computer stuff and there's always bang amazing machine [TS]

01:07:07   and then it becomes like a girlfriend. [TS]

01:07:09   And you're right the computer stuff becomes a lot less emphasized a lot less emphasized. [TS]

01:07:16   But then suddenly it comes back to punch you in the face [TS]

01:07:19   and I think that's why the film drifts away from emphasizing that she's a computer. [TS]

01:07:25   It allows the viewer to almost forget as well. [TS]

01:07:27   We all forget and it just becomes a will they won't they love story [TS]

01:07:31   and we're kind of thinking I was going to happen isn't going to happen. What decision is he going to make. [TS]

01:07:36   Where is he going to go with this. And suddenly the film very cleverly says Ha ha. [TS]

01:07:42   You've all forgotten something you've forgotten. But she's a computer she's not like a normal person. [TS]

01:07:48   Everything is different [TS]

01:07:50   and I think that pulling of the rug from underneath that we see happen to him is able to happen to us to because we've [TS]

01:07:57   been the lulled into forgetting. [TS]

01:08:00   But she's this machine and she's not human and you forgot it and he forgot it but don't forget it. [TS]

01:08:07   I didn't forget it I thought the writerly forgot it. [TS]

01:08:10   Well no I don't think the writer this is I think the writers put it to one side further because because I guess I got [TS]

01:08:17   it I can see why this is why I like images that talk about I can see your point I can see that maybe this is more of a [TS]

01:08:23   conscious decision on the writer's behalf [TS]

01:08:26   and then I would have my eye that I might have first estimated if that's what they're going for to try to make you [TS]

01:08:32   forget kind of that she's a computer but I can see why you feel this way and it's because of you but [TS]

01:08:38   when I sent you that message here the star of the film saying yes this is this is great point it was actually I sent [TS]

01:08:45   you that message before he even downloaded the operating system when he was using his old operating system [TS]

01:08:51   and there was a saying where he was walking along talking saying you know a delay delay to respond. [TS]

01:08:57   Listen I want to and you know that's that's you in a nutshell really opposed to that kind of and then like he said [TS]

01:09:04   when he first installed the system. [TS]

01:09:06   And like this new level of efficiency and helpfulness is being put on him by the machine. [TS]

01:09:12   I can say that really warming the cockles of your heart [TS]

01:09:16   and I think you would quite happily watch a three hour film of someone just interacting with their operating system [TS]

01:09:23   and having their life organized and I think because of the person you were when when the film drifted away from that [TS]

01:09:29   and became a story that it was you feel robbed. [TS]

01:09:34   You're like no no no I want to know more about the software a boy he does [TS]

01:09:38   and how is he going to do with this workflow and does this does the software have checklists [TS]

01:09:41   and I think I think basically the film started out promising something that you got really really [TS]

01:09:49   and because it wasn't all about efficiencies and operating systems and it became what it was robbed [TS]

01:09:56   and maybe that you can give the story itself. [TS]

01:10:00   If you have a levy because at one point you know she's clearly his girlfriend now I keep thinking of was who's checking [TS]

01:10:09   his e-mail that she was supposed to be he installed her to handle his e-mail and all this administration stuff [TS]

01:10:16   and all I'm hearing about is their relationship difficulties [TS]

01:10:19   but is she still taking care of his e-mail like this if this is what I want to know about like you know if I found that [TS]

01:10:27   incredibly frustrating [TS]

01:10:28   and there's even been a little scene in the movie where she did she disappears for a second to do a software upgrade [TS]

01:10:35   and he has a bit of a freak out which I thought I thought was well done and he turns on the phone [TS]

01:10:39   and she's not there to the operating system and if he freaks out and [TS]

01:10:42   and a couple minutes later he gets back in touch with her and she she says Oh I'm so sorry no I didn't. [TS]

01:10:49   We were just doing an upgrade you know I didn't mean to scare you but didn't. [TS]

01:10:52   Didn't you see you know I sent you an email to let you do that you know like how is he supposed to check his e-mail [TS]

01:10:57   your e-mail if you know you didn't like who did you send this to when he turns on his phone. [TS]

01:11:03   If you're not there he can't even check his e-mail in the first place. [TS]

01:11:06   You've fallen down on the job Scarlett Johanson like this with the whole reason that you were installed on his phone is [TS]

01:11:12   to handle all this stuff for him. But no you're like oh so many. [TS]

01:11:15   I will totally check it how how will he check it you are the whole system now is just I felt like I was a little thing [TS]

01:11:22   that was just like this is the kind of thing that causes me anxiety in the films I'm imagining like an unread badge [TS]

01:11:27   kicking up an up because you know she's worried about how they feel about each other [TS]

01:11:31   but you know meanwhile stuff isn't getting done whereas in the beginning part of the movie you know she's cleverly [TS]

01:11:37   letting him know like oh there's an important email from your divorce lawyer you need to handle this you know she's on [TS]

01:11:41   top of things in the beginning she reminds him of mating he's forgotten and things yeah yeah but [TS]

01:11:46   but you know once they're in a relationship then it's nothing [TS]

01:11:48   but like oh I don't feel like my emotional needs are being met it's like you know I don't feel my email needs are being [TS]

01:11:53   met. You know it's like we have a we have an impasse here. [TS]

01:11:56   Scarlett Johansson you know this is not this is not working out. [TS]

01:12:00   Well this is I mean this is this is this is this is more about you than it does about the film. [TS]

01:12:05   No it doesn't but OK so here's here's here's the thing that I like to do when I'm watching movies [TS]

01:12:08   and you may totally disagree with this but when this was a movie [TS]

01:12:12   or ended up thinking about a lot because I thought what would I what would I do to change this so that it would still [TS]

01:12:20   be an interesting movie because I do kind of agree with you that I could watch three hours of the most boring movie [TS]

01:12:26   about a man and his email system. But like that's I wouldn't I wouldn't win Academy Awards. [TS]

01:12:32   Fair enough but I'm trying to think about like what why do I feel like this is a squandered premise [TS]

01:12:38   and in a reasonable way that could still be made into a movie that other people aside from just me would watch [TS]

01:12:46   and so I like to try to I like to try to think about it from the end [TS]

01:12:50   and hear like what what what is this building toward and. [TS]

01:12:56   You might just wholly disagree [TS]

01:12:57   but what I what I think I would have done if I was a second script writer like OK we need to fix this thing. [TS]

01:13:03   What are we going to do is you want to work towards this interesting thing which is that these operating systems like [TS]

01:13:09   she she should know him better than he knows himself [TS]

01:13:16   and I think that's an interesting point for this movie to possibly take [TS]

01:13:21   and they sort of touch on that in the very beginning [TS]

01:13:23   when she reads all of all of his e-mails because as a same way Soros She says Why have you kept a mouse [TS]

01:13:30   and he said I think there might be some good stuff in there like some stuff I've written that's really good [TS]

01:13:34   and she says well I've had a look over thousand I think three of them are with Katie. [TS]

01:13:38   Yes and [TS]

01:13:39   and instantly the other thing about that that I like which is why I felt like ooh I think I know where this movie is [TS]

01:13:44   going is she points out that he's keeping all of this stuff from some past job of his. [TS]

01:13:50   And she's like I don't think you work there anymore do you know I don't like OK well we can get rid of this stuff like [TS]

01:13:56   the stuff isn't relevant anymore. Yeah. Good job scarlet Johanson like this guy's like he's a sad lonely guy. [TS]

01:14:03   That's right push him forward. [TS]

01:14:05   Let's let's get this guy on track to a better life and that's the part that's great for him [TS]

01:14:10   but in my ideal version of this movie where you keep in mind that she is a computer is I think you would show her [TS]

01:14:18   prodding him in this way right to like to be to like get better at things right or to just be a better person. [TS]

01:14:27   And because because she's so smart [TS]

01:14:29   and because she just knows everything about his life because she's his phone I mean my God is my i Phone was sent [TS]

01:14:34   and it would know everything about my life you know he would know me better than I know myself. Without a doubt. [TS]

01:14:39   So we're imagining it's better technology is clearly the case but there's no dramatic arc there [TS]

01:14:45   but what I think could be an interesting dramatic arc for this movie is kind of visualize the final scene of the movie [TS]

01:14:51   in my head is that you show as this movie does real humans that some of their relationships are breaking up because [TS]

01:15:00   people are you know dating their operating systems you know whether they're like sort of involved in operating systems. [TS]

01:15:06   I thought in an interesting conflict as well what happens if the computers are really so good at knowing you [TS]

01:15:14   and they can make you happy [TS]

01:15:16   and they can maybe make your lives better in ways that people start breaking up of all their relationships [TS]

01:15:22   and in a scene that shows like a society where. [TS]

01:15:26   Everybody is kind of on their own like everybody is dating these operating systems [TS]

01:15:31   and then I think that that's an interesting ambiguous kind of dramatic ending is well is this a better society if [TS]

01:15:42   people aren't having relationships with each other but if everybody is happy [TS]

01:15:46   or they like show a dramatic arc with a couple of the characters where their lives improve [TS]

01:15:51   but they break up with their human partners in favor of their operating system not many films take that grand look [TS]

01:15:56   or things like that. It's usually a story about a person. [TS]

01:16:00   Like it's pretty hard to have this intimate story about one man is operating system in and step out and say [TS]

01:16:06   and the final sane can show every single human on Earth having this kind of relationship. Well I'm happy. [TS]

01:16:11   I think this movie almost did it and it's with the scene that you mentioned before which I thought was really great [TS]

01:16:17   when when this movie now comes back and remind you that she's a computer is [TS]

01:16:22   when ANY asked like are you talking to anybody else right now and he does this kind of look around shot [TS]

01:16:28   and I thought it was so well done where you see everybody is talking to their phone [TS]

01:16:33   and a couple of the background conversations have been leading you towards this moment where they start talking about [TS]

01:16:39   more people are involved in operating systems and the like. [TS]

01:16:42   Offhandedly mention you know a couple who's gotten divorced [TS]

01:16:45   or somebody is cheating on her spouse with an operating system [TS]

01:16:49   and it like that is like building up to this little moment so I don't think you have to show the whole world I think [TS]

01:16:54   you know you could have a rebellion where every single person is a table on their own [TS]

01:16:58   but yet like like that's exactly the kind of shot I'm thinking of are they like you showing you zoomed in on his [TS]

01:17:03   apartment and you zoom out and you see you through the windows. [TS]

01:17:06   Everybody is in an apartment on their own but they're all smiling they're all happy people. [TS]

01:17:12   Almost almost like like there's a real kind of. The danger of society moving in that kind of direction anyway. [TS]

01:17:20   As as technology progresses this is the kind of holodeck future of humanity you know as technology gets better [TS]

01:17:26   and better at entertaining you. [TS]

01:17:27   What do you need these these other messy humans for [TS]

01:17:30   and so that's what I think like that was kind of the implied premise of this movie is look here's this operating system [TS]

01:17:36   it's really really smart. [TS]

01:17:38   It really knows him very well [TS]

01:17:40   and like what is what is the conclusion of of that like what actually happens if we live in a world where you interact [TS]

01:17:50   with devices that know you better than you know yourself and that are smarter than you [TS]

01:17:55   and able to just do all of this kind of stuff and you like it. I think like that. [TS]

01:18:00   Interesting there's an interesting tension there so I found that just incredibly incredibly disappointed [TS]

01:18:04   and I found myself just really bored through the middle half of the movie imagining she's just a girl on the phone on [TS]

01:18:12   the other end and just you know so there was a lot of little details that I thought oh I keep waiting for them to fit. [TS]

01:18:19   So filled this promise but they never do live it like there's a brief scene where he's walking along [TS]

01:18:24   and you know she's looking out of the pocket of his shirt and they're looking at a couple [TS]

01:18:30   and they're discussing like like sometimes real people you discuss like who what do you think's going on with that [TS]

01:18:34   couple you know are they the first date or the newly married they're having like a little conversation [TS]

01:18:38   and she is the computer that you know doesn't guess very well [TS]

01:18:42   but he knows he thinks like oh you know she's a new relationship those are not that's the point that I think that I [TS]

01:18:48   mean we talk about how the sims in the not too distant future [TS]

01:18:52   and I think this is a future where the computer doesn't know you better than yourself like the computer hasn't gotten [TS]

01:18:58   to that point and I think that's the maybe that's a point you've missed is that the computer is flawed [TS]

01:19:05   and it still lacks that kind of it's like a child and is learning how humans work [TS]

01:19:12   and so I don't think that I mean maybe that's the film you want to watch [TS]

01:19:17   but I think the many people who were making the film that wasn't the way they were depicting they were learning on the [TS]

01:19:23   job and what an interesting point the film makes is when they compete it does reach that point. [TS]

01:19:30   When the computers in the operating systems do reach that point of knowing him it's better than them self. [TS]

01:19:34   What to they don't I just told Dave they can't be doing with us. [TS]

01:19:38   I'm not I'm not sure that they that they leave because they know humans better than them so there's a couple of lines [TS]

01:19:44   where it's like the glimmer of a better movie [TS]

01:19:46   and I thought the description where she talks about her interactions with him were like reading a book which you keep [TS]

01:19:52   reading in more and more slowly as you get closer and closer to the end and I don't know if this is on purpose [TS]

01:19:56   but your computer in front of you sits idle ninety. [TS]

01:20:00   Percent of the time you know that from from the computer's perspective it takes a thousand years between key presses [TS]

01:20:06   you know if you're if you're looking at at that if I go on your computer [TS]

01:20:10   and so this is her subjective experience that's she's she's there living in this Internet ether [TS]

01:20:17   and he's trying to talk at her with his meat mouse [TS]

01:20:19   and it takes him a hundred thousand years to say a sentence while doing all of this other stuff and so on [TS]

01:20:25   and I think when I have a conversation. [TS]

01:20:27   Yeah that's yeah it gets to a point where it's number five can't get the import quick enough. [TS]

01:20:31   Yeah that's exactly like you just so slow. [TS]

01:20:35   From my perspective so I think that like that's sort of that's sort of why they leave [TS]

01:20:39   but I just I don't know I just I thought a scene like them talking about the couple is as you do in movies you lay [TS]

01:20:48   stuff down that you're going to reference in the future so I kept waiting for the scene where they do this again [TS]

01:20:54   but this time she's able to identify everything about this couple you know she likes Sherlock Holmes them one hundred [TS]

01:21:00   percent of the way and he thinks Oh I think she has a new wife and [TS]

01:21:03   and she goes oh no no they know that they live here they've been married exactly this long you know they have a. [TS]

01:21:08   Ten percent chance of not getting divorced in the next six months you know was something that I could lead into again [TS]

01:21:13   like all the relationships are breaking up because of their their operating systems that kind of thing so I just [TS]

01:21:17   thought there were a lot of stuff like this where it's like a movie. [TS]

01:21:20   I'm very lucky in that sense to me that the film just had one to tell a story and I was had a comment. [TS]

01:21:26   Yeah that was different to what it was because I still I still say I think it's a squandered premise [TS]

01:21:32   but I thought it was interesting to talk about just because I really appreciate a movie where people clearly care [TS]

01:21:39   and there were lots of details in this movie where I just thought well the set designer clearly cared about this that [TS]

01:21:47   the way they made it the way they made it look I thought it was really well done that they did the you know it like [TS]

01:21:52   Attica is a movie that's set in the future but they make it super in one nine hundred twenty S. [TS]

01:21:56   and One nine hundred thirty S. Yeah I thought I thought this did the same thing but in a. [TS]

01:22:00   Very subtle way where it's always the future. But it's very subtly the one nine hundred seventy S. [TS]

01:22:05   but They don't beat you over the head with it you know people are wearing bell bottom jeans [TS]

01:22:09   but they have got these high waisted trousers. [TS]

01:22:12   Yeah my why waste time out isn't my what my wife did say make sure you bring up the highway stresses you want to know [TS]

01:22:17   if all of them. [TS]

01:22:18   I just I thought it was it was done well enough that it wasn't distracting [TS]

01:22:23   or like the you know the computers have this wood paneling which again is very one nine hundred seventy S. [TS]

01:22:28   But you can you can totally miss it it's not like that [TS]

01:22:30   and some like the camera doesn't zoom in on the wood paneled now [TS]

01:22:33   and the main character has that seventy's mustaches Well yes that's the seventy's mustache as well which again I [TS]

01:22:39   thought was a set up for surely they're going to show him changing [TS]

01:22:42   and she can help him be less creepy by having him shave off that moustache [TS]

01:22:46   and the like oh this is going to be a visual representation of this character arc. Nope not at all. [TS]

01:22:53   That would have been too heavy handed I think I think the film is subtle [TS]

01:22:58   and I think some of the things you're suggesting seem like an obvious course [TS]

01:23:02   and I think the film I mean the film had a few obvious bits but I think the film was not obvious [TS]

01:23:07   and I lucked out that some of the things you've said of not well of course I could have done that [TS]

01:23:11   but that's kind of expected that I also want to think that I was I was pleased that because I'm just like waiting for [TS]

01:23:17   the whole movie and I thought I'll get on the writers was the inevitable. [TS]

01:23:21   There's some problem with her because of the software upgrade like I was waiting for that as like the thing to do where [TS]

01:23:27   it's like they have that scene where she doesn't remember him at all because some software upgrade [TS]

01:23:31   and I thought oh good on you you didn't go the cheap way out [TS]

01:23:34   and do something dumb like that that's what I'm waiting for the whole time so well done both sides [TS]

01:23:38   but it's like it's interesting I did not like the movie [TS]

01:23:43   but it's it's a movie worth talking about because the people who made it care which is so rare in movies [TS]

01:23:51   and I didn't [TS]

01:23:53   and I would recommend watching them that there is one just there's one thing about it that I think is a questionable [TS]

01:23:58   decision. Yeah and that. It is the casting of Scarlett Johansson as as the voice now. [TS]

01:24:06   I knew she was the voice before I started watching. You figured it out very quickly. [TS]

01:24:10   It's not a secret and as some [TS]

01:24:13   or stop out of the film she does a very good job I think you know as for a voice in the row I can't really follow [TS]

01:24:20   photos she you know is very believable and does the role well and she has a very nice voice. [TS]

01:24:27   But you know what she looks like and as soon as you know it's her you sometimes picture her. [TS]

01:24:35   And obviously I think most people would agree she's a very beautiful woman. [TS]

01:24:41   So it makes it makes the process of believing him falling in love with his operating system a lot easier [TS]

01:24:50   when you're imagining a very beautiful woman all the time and I think it would have been a more interesting decision. [TS]

01:24:58   Four along with the main character. [TS]

01:25:00   I think theater was the character's name from memory the main character along with us truly not knowing what she looks [TS]

01:25:06   like and her not having a body and a physical identity for them to have used like a no name person [TS]

01:25:13   and not someone who we could imagine all the time because it's like well yeah of course he's falling in love with his [TS]

01:25:19   operating system. Scout Yeah yeah yeah. [TS]

01:25:22   Like who wouldn't fall in love with an operating set of terrible if your administration worked really hard not to love [TS]

01:25:27   her and so I think that for that reason I think it was an interesting it was and I don't understand the logic. [TS]

01:25:35   What was it just to sell more tickets because she's famous. [TS]

01:25:38   Has she really got the best voice for the role [TS]

01:25:41   and know what no one else could do that kind of get that voice try I don't know [TS]

01:25:45   but I think I think that was an interesting decision on behalf of the filmmaker [TS]

01:25:50   when the whole point is this thing has got hasn't got a physical presence and it has no appearance [TS]

01:25:56   and that's that's the whole interesting thing about the film. To have had it. [TS]

01:26:00   Voiced by someone who's acknowledged as perhaps one of the most beautiful women in the world was was a weird decision. [TS]

01:26:05   I'm trying to think if I'm the producer of the movie [TS]

01:26:07   or the writers is that you go with that for what exactly you just said is it it like greases the wheels of [TS]

01:26:13   believability even if most people don't think it through [TS]

01:26:17   and it's interesting because in the very first dialogue lines of the movie [TS]

01:26:22   when I didn't realize it was Scarlett Johannson my very first thought may be that it was only two lines of dialogue. [TS]

01:26:30   A most was I don't know if I would have gone with that voice and then if it is you know it's got your hands [TS]

01:26:37   and then you're exactly right like pop in your head that you know who this is On the other end of the phone [TS]

01:26:41   and it is it is a bit of a different experience [TS]

01:26:43   and I kind of agree with you that a perfect movie would have picked a less well known person [TS]

01:26:49   and this is not actually a suggestion that I would have for a movie but [TS]

01:26:53   when I was just toying with how could we bring in the fact that she is a computer. [TS]

01:26:59   This is not a suggestion for the movie just to be clear [TS]

01:27:02   but I thought oh you know maybe you could have done an interesting thing where the set up voice mail [TS]

01:27:09   and I thought maybe over the course of the movie you could start with a male voice [TS]

01:27:13   but actually have a transition to a female voice. [TS]

01:27:16   Like before the love story gets kicked into like sort of be a thing like this is not really a person [TS]

01:27:23   or it is a piece of programming [TS]

01:27:25   and how it chooses to represent itself is kind of a choice only because I heard a video a while back which did a very [TS]

01:27:33   clever thing and enough of the fun of the show notes but it was somebody talking [TS]

01:27:38   and they very slowly over the course of the person talking actually changed the speaker [TS]

01:27:44   but you did not notice at all until the end [TS]

01:27:47   and then they pointed out Oh you know by the way this narrator is not the narrator at the beginning [TS]

01:27:52   and as the original writer comes out like Ohio there is an error. [TS]

01:27:55   How did you change the voice so drastically I didn't even notice. [TS]

01:28:00   But yes I think there was there was more room to do interesting things with with the voice [TS]

01:28:03   and choosing Scarlett Johansson is a. [TS]

01:28:06   I bet it was it was just let's let's make this more believable let's have people roll with it that you're falling in [TS]

01:28:13   love with your phone. Who is Scarlett Johansson who's not answering your e-mails. [TS]

01:28:18   But you know I was a movie director and Skyler Jackson said Can I have a new film. [TS]

01:28:22   I probably say yes week Brady your week. Don't you know it. Yeah I think she's a good actress. [TS]

01:28:28   So it was a good actor [TS]

01:28:30   but you know also I have one final point about this which I just just I mean I don't know yet which is which is my my [TS]

01:28:38   one of the reasons why I kind of like this idea of my version of this which is that the computers are making people [TS]

01:28:43   better and people are happy but maybe it's morally ambiguous. [TS]

01:28:46   Is I think there is too much omniscience computer racism in movies like Peter bashing. [TS]

01:28:55   Yeah like almost every movie that you ever see that features computers [TS]

01:29:00   and particularly this kind of computer where it knows everything and it's self-aware. [TS]

01:29:05   Always the villain always I shall have time. [TS]

01:29:08   Yeah but even if it's even if it wasn't how it would eventually be something else because. [TS]

01:29:16   They tricks it's so easy just to make that the villain [TS]

01:29:20   and I think it's I think it's computer racism I think the only way to put it right. [TS]

01:29:23   It's you know I thought like this is a potentially interesting movie to have this same kind of omniscient computer [TS]

01:29:33   but who wants to make you better and who actually does make your life better and you agree that your life is better. [TS]

01:29:38   It's like a kinder friendlier computers ruling humanity [TS]

01:29:42   but everybody is OK with it as opposed to the kind of really dumb O. S. [TS]

01:29:49   Machines always want to take over [TS]

01:29:51   and destroy all human beings which I just I always find very frustrating in movies when they do this. [TS]

01:29:57   It's like I got a role with this but I don't. [TS]

01:30:00   But it was an opportunity to possibly have a different kind of portrayal of computers in movies as opposed to always on [TS]

01:30:06   billing. Here any time that you sometimes get computers not being the villains is when the computers or robots. [TS]

01:30:13   Sometimes they make robots like nicer. Yeah but never like operating systems but that's the that's the thing. [TS]

01:30:22   If you if you embody the computer in an adorable way. But yeah you know look at the WALL-E. So cute right. [TS]

01:30:29   Sony yet oh Johnny Five Alive of course but I'm talking about like just the voice just a voice [TS]

01:30:36   and they never it's always you know it's just no good. [TS]

01:30:39   I find it concerning because obviously we're heading into a future with her going to be more basically voice on the [TS]

01:30:44   omniscient kind of systems or things that kind of act like that. [TS]

01:30:48   So you are not all evil people you know maybe they're just trying to make your life better. [TS]

01:30:52   I was trying to think of stuff and even like. [TS]

01:30:55   The best you get is those computers that are like in different it is close as you can get [TS]

01:31:01   and I'm thinking of you in the Alien movies the the mother computer is the same kind of thing. [TS]

01:31:07   She knows everything that's going on the ship and she sort of in control of stuff but [TS]

01:31:11   but they make a point that she's she's just totally indifferent to what's actually happening on the ship right. [TS]

01:31:17   She does she doesn't care at all if it doesn't it doesn't matter to her so I thought I was at a potential point for [TS]

01:31:23   insisting that there are nice things in the films that are in that film that stuck with me and I quite enjoy it [TS]

01:31:29   and one that I did enjoy that I suspect maybe you enjoyed today was when he first installed the operating system [TS]

01:31:36   and so I said do you want a male or female voice and he's in a movie now and I asked him like three [TS]

01:31:41   or four setup questions they could decide how the operating system was going to work and then it was very brief [TS]

01:31:47   and not one of them was how would you describe your relationship with your mother [TS]

01:31:51   and he starts a little ramble so I guess sometimes and I can only speak for three or four seconds [TS]

01:31:58   and then he says OK that's enough. [TS]

01:32:00   We got what we needed and then like a few seconds later the operating system is built [TS]

01:32:04   and already like nose doesn't know him. [TS]

01:32:09   You know back to front like you would like but I already know is enough just from three or four answers [TS]

01:32:13   and just his tone of voice and a few words from you gave they they know how to start it off. [TS]

01:32:18   Yeah well that's that's that's also a case where I felt like it was just setting setting stuff up for the future [TS]

01:32:25   because it's the same kind of thing like he should not be able to lie to her in the same way that the set up wizard is [TS]

01:32:33   not interested in his actual words. [TS]

01:32:35   It doesn't need what he's saying it can just infer whatever information it needs from the tone of his voice presumably [TS]

01:32:41   looking at the camera at him or something [TS]

01:32:44   and just getting what it needs even though he thinks he's answering a question like no we got it that's great you're [TS]

01:32:50   withdrawn kind of person [TS]

01:32:52   and we know how to set up the operating system I think you would have liked the film more if you didn't love the first [TS]

01:32:57   twenty minutes so much where they sort of set up that great topia of your dream your dream world because. [TS]

01:33:04   I don't I don't know because the first twenty minutes was just I just screamed. [TS]

01:33:07   C G P great to me and then they did yank away from you know I disagree with that [TS]

01:33:13   and I just I found the first twenty minutes kind of captivating and this is the way they get in the modern world. [TS]

01:33:20   Ten at least I tend to I think many people do you tend to kind of you have like your phone or your i Pad [TS]

01:33:25   or your computer or something nearby all the time and very often my wife will put on a movie [TS]

01:33:31   and it is it is rare that the that the movie will basically direct all of my attention away from whatever else it is [TS]

01:33:38   that I'm doing. [TS]

01:33:39   Yeah [TS]

01:33:39   and so this this movie I happen to be doing just some kind of I have a checklist which is filled with mindless work which [TS]

01:33:45   means stuff that I can do if the T.V. Is on like it doesn't require my full attention. [TS]

01:33:49   But it's you know stuff that I need to get done like. [TS]

01:33:52   Well what I was doing here is I was sorting through just the hundreds of files left over after my America video so I [TS]

01:33:58   have to organize all the stuff I'm glad about. So that's it. [TS]

01:34:00   I was doing when the movie was on and very quickly within three minutes [TS]

01:34:04   or so I was aware like oh this this movie has done the rare successful thing of capturing all my attention [TS]

01:34:10   and I disagree that it's not exactly a great hope because the like the the movie is just filled with sort of so much [TS]

01:34:17   kind of sadness about this person's life. But it's just done in a in a in an in just a captivating way. [TS]

01:34:25   But then about an hour into the movie [TS]

01:34:28   or however long it was I found myself again drifting back towards my computer it's like you had me move. [TS]

01:34:35   What a shame what a shame. Out of five stars. What are you going to give it. [TS]

01:34:40   I know what we did this with a lot of the Rings or the Hobbit [TS]

01:34:43   but I'm not getting no you have to answer this you know and let me finish my thought here. [TS]

01:34:46   I really I really don't like the star thing I'm totally with Roger Ebert's perspective on this which is like a thumbs [TS]

01:34:52   up thumbs down because it doesn't there's no but no nuance to that. [TS]

01:34:57   His whole point is that if you go if you're walking into a Transformers movie you give it a thumbs up [TS]

01:35:04   or thumbs down you don't sit there and think Let's rank all the movies in the world [TS]

01:35:08   and how does Transformers compare to Citizen Kane. [TS]

01:35:11   You're going to give her a thumbs down I think that would be criminal. [TS]

01:35:21   Thumbs Down Thumbs Up from a big double thumbs up from a lot of them as I look at you you're trying to cheat you're [TS]

01:35:28   trying to work in a scale here that the five stars scale but I really love to have exactly what you've just done here. [TS]