0:00:00All right I have to call on how unprofessional because we haven't reached as I could expect.
0:00:09Hello hello this is now I have Trevor I can't talk at the moment. What time you coming tomorrow.
0:00:20To hang up or lost his connection. Who call back now. He's gone there anyway.
0:00:25They're going to call back in two seconds now we have to wait now we have to wait. Since we last or each other.
0:00:33Yes well we search on them in person last week. Yes we did. You took me on a date.
0:00:40They take you on a date I'm not sure I took my dinner I didn't eat pork and we had KLEIN Yeah I guess it was a date.
0:00:47But like since we since the.
0:00:50Since the year since the podcast is kind of you know it's really just got going it was the first time we've spent a
0:00:58long time together in person
0:01:00and I thought it created quite an interesting dynamic because obviously we talked about lots of stuff we would normally
0:01:06talk about and it was stuff we wouldn't talk about in the podcast on the roof and whatnot but there were a few times
0:01:13and I think we both acknowledged that we would sort of start to talk about something or topic would come up
0:01:18and we'd be thinking oh this is the this is the class fun podcast Chetwood
0:01:22and should be keeping our powder dry Oh is this is you know it was a bit strange in that respect.
0:01:29Yeah I know that yes there was one topic in particular which I think you're going to bring up shortly where we did we
0:01:36did say Oh let's not talk about this now what would you eternity put a lid on
0:01:42and he said no way I'm to I want to tell him that I want to talk in the podcast about that I thought I say what it was
0:01:47I think I need the transcript I don't think I totally put a lid on it but it was it was a strange situation.
0:01:55And yes I don't think I've ever been in a situation like.
0:02:00Before where you realize maybe we shouldn't talk about this thing now.
0:02:03We'll talk about it later on the Internet as it was I don't know it was weird it was there
0:02:09and I think that's a healthy thing for our friendship.
0:02:13It's a it's a strange thing
0:02:15but maybe here's my thought maybe it's a good thing because we can we'll all end up talking about maybe more
0:02:25superficial stuff on the podcast sometimes
0:02:27and then like you said there's a whole bunch of stuff that you just you wouldn't want to talk about on the podcast so
0:02:32maybe it'll drive an hour in person conversations to a whole new level. Yeah.
0:02:38Of this relationship and has that Rush cleanup underway now you're dating.
0:02:46Let me let me let me tell you what I brought up that you want to talk about again
0:02:51and it's the issue of Comic Sans the fart.
0:02:56Now I think it's fair to say I am
0:03:01or have been fairly edgy comic sans like on one of those people who thinks it's a bit of an F. Sound.
0:03:07But my position is softening.
0:03:13I've used a few times in videos and initially I was using it to kind of be a bit of a troll
0:03:19or be a be ironical stare people out or flame or whatever the cool word is for
0:03:24when you upset people dropped into a few videos just to upset people. But like in doing that.
0:03:32My position has changed is changing a bit
0:03:35and there's been a couple of recent videos where I've actually used almost functional I like I thought I think Comic
0:03:43Sans actually might be the fun just to do this with and not after all these years and all this sort of edgy comics
0:03:50and sentiment. I feel like maybe maybe it gets a how to time it deserves.
0:03:57I don't really know what your position is on this front.
0:04:01Yes I think Comic Sans for me is an interesting specific case of a broader kind of question that I've had about fonts
0:04:14for a long time and it's I don't understand what makes some funds good and what makes some fonts terrible
0:04:25and I guess is also part of a broader question about design in general.
0:04:32I've read a few books on graphic design or you know does design work
0:04:39and I'm sure I've been trying to find out why is it that something can look good or something can look terrible
0:04:45and what I want are some rules about this
0:04:48and I've read books that are supposedly filled with rules about what is good design what is not good design.
0:04:53Whitespace you know all this kind of stuff and I never find it satisfying
0:04:59and I think it's particularly an interesting question with funds because I've learned more about the typefaces I guess
0:05:09but I've learned more about the features of particular kinds of of typefaces and I can pick out some things when.
0:05:19When when a foreigner just gone terribly wrong or in a sign
0:05:23when something has just gone terribly wrong I will bring up an example now which is kerning you know what kerning is.
0:05:30Yes OK for listeners who might not be aware kerning has to do with the letter spacing
0:05:36and because of the of the ways ways some letters are shaped you can kind of slide them under each other
0:05:45when you put them on the sign so that it looks more visually pleasing if the letters can kind of not overlap
0:05:51but they can be closer to each other.
0:05:54Yeah then they would be if you were using a typewriter for example you're looking at something on my screen right now
0:05:59and I can see. Oh oh and a W. O.
0:06:04Is rounded and if the font is arranged very nicely the W can kind of edge over the oh a little bit
0:06:11and then look for that. Once you tune into this.
0:06:14Words that aren't current properly it's very irritating because you can see it on store signs
0:06:20and things the guy the letter closer together if you make You Tube videos
0:06:24and do bad parenting that is something also that you will soon find out about in the section I think that's what
0:06:31happened to me
0:06:31and I think I've been lucky with Haven't you heard about people you know turning a lace collar all over me.
0:06:37It's something that I've done with manually in a couple of places I think in the header of some of my website where
0:06:45it's a C G P
0:06:46and it's E G P with full stops between the letters I have manually current it a couple of times so that the full stops
0:06:55the periods like slide under the P.C.
0:06:59For example because it can look weird once you're aware that it's just too far out.
0:07:05So there's something like things like kerning there's a few other things with with fonts
0:07:09but I have a very hard time
0:07:11when people who are really into fonts talk about why some of them look like this font looks great
0:07:18or that font looks great.
0:07:19Then an example of this is is Helvetica which people always hold up as this amazing standard of such as such like a
0:07:25perfect font.
0:07:26Yes and I'm really trying to figure out what makes Helvetica good
0:07:32and I don't I don't know I don't know if I did if I knew nothing about the history of Helvetica would I be able to pick
0:07:40that out of a lineup of fonts
0:07:42and say oh boy this is clearly such a great font I don't think I would be able to do that
0:07:47and I think Comic Sans kind of suffers this reverse effect of that where people hate it disproportionately because
0:07:58other people hate it.
0:08:00It yeah they become fun to pick on the Justin Bieber of things
0:08:03but it has become like almost the go to guy for if you want to ridicule a front.
0:08:10Yes And I think there it's an interesting choice because I think at big sizes there are some things with comic fans
0:08:19that just I do think look awkward it's not a font that is that translates well to a gigantic sign.
0:08:27Yeah there's a child's nursery around the corner from where I live and that was huge fun and Comic Sans
0:08:32and I have I have issues with that.
0:08:35Yes Yes And I think it's identifiable
0:08:38and then because it looks worse as larger sizes it's an effect where people can really tune into it
0:08:44or something is big and then obviously comic fans and you think oh it looks terrible
0:08:48but at relatively small sizes I think it's pretty good
0:08:53and the thing about the comic fans that I want to bring up you know
0:08:57when you mentioned it was so I went to college university now and I guess
0:09:04but just so long ago ten years ago a lot of years ago I don't want to do the counting more than a decade ago.
0:09:10Yes to make you feel old and.
0:09:15I remember turning in papers that I had set in Comic Sans Comic Sans about twelve point five
0:09:23and so relatively small on the page. Not all the text was written in that like an essay or something.
0:09:29Yeah yeah so you know I would do sociology have to write you know an essay about something or other
0:09:33and I would write it up and I would set it in Comic Sans.
0:09:37Wow And the reason I did that is because this is first of all it's not pre internet
0:09:42but I think it was pre the existence of this comic sans hate.
0:09:46Yeah and I remember just looking through the fonts
0:09:49and I was trying to find something that I thought was relatively readable that was in Times New Roman
0:09:55and I remember for myself I used to have this pattern where I would I would write on the.
0:10:00Computer they were printed out I would make corrections by hand and then transcribe it back in
0:10:04and I remember just thinking that you know at smaller sizes Comic Sans was kind of nicely legible it was easy to read.
0:10:12Yeah
0:10:13and the thing that makes me wonder about the piling on of Comic Sans was I never had a single professor make any comments
0:10:22about this throughout the entirety of my college career. No no one ever commented that it put an effort to strike back.
0:10:29I didn't know what no one ever commented on it which is completely unremarked upon that this was a fun choice I don't
0:10:37think there is almost anybody who could do that now and it would be unremarked upon.
0:10:41Yeah
0:10:42and I feel like that like that experience of mine is a tiny anecdotal data point for Comic Sans has become hated because
0:10:52it is hated not because of anything intrinsic about the font itself anyway so that that as you mention the Comic Sans
0:11:01things I thought I thought back to I remember having stuff in comics
0:11:04and that I would be mortified mortified to do that now but it just it didn't even cross my mind a decade plus ago.
0:11:13I think I think that the usefulness I'm finding with it is sometimes it's quite useful if you want to say something on
0:11:20screen in text that you want to be quite human
0:11:22and have quiet quiet like a human personality voice without using one of those you know rubbish forms that's supposed
0:11:29to look like it was hand written which is just a bit off
0:11:33but it's kind of got a personality to it it's a bit like this is an official voice this is an official filmmaker
0:11:39scientist voice this is just a little human voice I want to give you for a second and
0:11:45and I wonder is that because of the shape of the font and the nature of the font
0:11:50or is it because it now has such a personality and a place in culture that it's almost taken on personality and.
0:12:00It's almost like it's almost like you're getting you're getting something for free with Comic Sans all this baggage has
0:12:06actually can be quite helpful in almost it almost as a character now has this typeface.
0:12:13Does that he said Soames specifically talking about. There are definitely times that you want more informal fonts.
0:12:21Yeah in my own videos for example there are three primary font that I use
0:12:26and I have a big thick Sarah font that I use in most of my videos for for the titles
0:12:32or the words on the screen I have a relatively bold stand Sarah font that depending on the it was his hand crazy
0:12:40but some of my videos it feels like this is more of a sense of kind of topic.
0:12:47Don't know why that is but some
0:12:49but some of the videos they clearly feel like no no no this is not for Sarah FS I need to censor.
0:12:54He's getting too close I'm switching to censor
0:12:58but I have a I have a third font that I spent a lot of time trying to pick which I almost always use for the little
0:13:04stick figures talking or thinking and that you know that's not going to be times new roman someone's internal thoughts.
0:13:12It's it is it is a hand written looking funny because it conveys something completely different because that kind of
0:13:20does look a bit Comic Sans.
0:13:22Yeah I was trying I was trying to pick something I don't remember the name off of it
0:13:26but there's a website I think it's I think it's called comic book fonts something like that is that the name is in the
0:13:33middle of the comic book fonts dot com They had their website they have just a ton a ton of from my perspective very
0:13:47good looking.
0:13:48Kweisi hand-written fonts
0:13:51and they're also just a lot of really great themed fonts it was a while ago there from looking for a font for a
0:13:56particular kind of thing. But yes and I spent a lot of time trying to find that pretty.
0:14:00Gular little font to use because you definitely want different different feelings for different things.
0:14:07The other thing I just want to mention is where oh where is it called.
0:14:15Yes OK So I saw this recently I think on Reddit maybe was an accident I don't remember
0:14:21but someone has developed a font that they call comic new and it is a riff.
0:14:28It's sort of a refined version of Comic Sans. And I think it actually looks really good.
0:14:36The Web site goes through
0:14:37and shows how they changed a little bit of the way the letter strokes of Comic Sans look they've smoothed it a little
0:14:43bit but still kept it looking handwritten E. and I have to say I think Man this looks this looks great.
0:14:51It looks it looks very much like Comic Sans.
0:14:55But just a lot nicer as though the theoretical person who wrote comic sans was just concentrating really hard
0:15:03when they wrote each of these different letters so I could totally see under certain circumstances using comic knew if
0:15:13itself if it felt right and felt like that was the kind of thing to do for myself in the D.L.C.
0:15:17With them if you would you think of this you can get my initial reaction as I said for the first time.
0:15:26Yeah I have proof you approve of comics. Yeah it's nice if you scroll down.
0:15:35They show the letters being simplified a little bit
0:15:38but also the whole website is written in comic knew all the paragraph text
0:15:43and I think it looks like a really good handwritten font part that you have.
0:15:49Mark my first my first impression is a positive one will say what the others think.
0:15:55Yes we all we all here I'm sure very soon what the internet thinks about this.
0:16:00I'm must wondering how much more time we can possibly spend talking about fonts. I think no more time.
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0:17:39Don't you want to follow the little follow up item that I want to bring up on the Do You Remember we mentioned as an
0:17:46example of how people are an original if you comment if you make a comment on Twitter.
0:17:51People often respond back to you with the same joke you very quickly. Yeah so this.
0:18:00I've been to me in reverse destine he smarter every day. Powell tamer the manly man by the way.
0:18:08Yes Justin said that he would have dealt with exactly the same way I did
0:18:12and if you are going to not let that one always we're going to bring it up for you.
0:18:17Anyway he was on Twitter was destine made a little comment on Twitter saying something like he just realized that he is
0:18:25a bike clubs as opposed to a Cyclops and I saw him make a little comment on Twitter and I replied
0:18:34and I said Oh does that mean the people who wear glasses are quad collapses.
0:18:39Yeah four eyes very good and I wrote that back to him
0:18:44and I honestly thought wait a minute because this was shortly after we just put up the podcast.
0:18:49Yeah and I just it entered my mind
0:18:51and I thought you know I think this is exactly the kind of joke that others are not this is not original to me this is
0:18:57just the first part the get pretty much any glass is where I was going back and I looked
0:19:02and sure enough I was not the first to save the best
0:19:05and I'm sure he's still getting tweets from people saying the quad collapse thing
0:19:09and I just I just thought it was it was funny.
0:19:12Did you quietly delete it and pretend it didn't happen or do you know what what's done is done.
0:19:19I mean this is my just embarrassing in quotation marks.
0:19:25Joke that was really just a thought came into my head and I reply to Justin I feel kind of dumb about it.
0:19:32But anyway it's not that I thought this is a show that happens to the best of us.
0:19:37So if you don't mean to but this kind of thing just happens all the time. Have you calmed down.
0:19:44Since your little hob tirade.
0:19:48Well I mean I'm not sure if I was I was angry I guess maybe it was anger you were angry
0:19:54but there was no physical motion from behind those robotic cord gloves.
0:20:00I thought I felt resigned and disappointed
0:20:02but now you said that more than just disappointed he went like I was disappointed with this film.
0:20:09Yeah he had things to say.
0:20:11Well I had many more things to say but somebody cut me off before I was even really warmed up you know
0:20:17and he was quite enjoying it if you go back and listen.
0:20:21Yeah you will hear that I I was talking about something that was all that I was talking about the opening the sort of
0:20:29second opening scene of the movie and you said something like It sounds like you could talk about this for a long time.
0:20:37But let's let's try to move the conversation.
0:20:40General disappointment in the movie because I could've done a blow by blow throughout that whole thing.
0:20:44But you may be rightly cut me off my feet I don't think it was rightly a lot of people have requested that global blows
0:20:50since. Yeah I could be a hello internet after hours at some point.
0:20:56But they were there were two things I just want to follow up that are interesting.
0:20:59They got into a discussion with a couple people on the Reddit and it was a question of the movies being two movies
0:21:05or three movies and it was it was interesting to see that it was originally announced as two movies.
0:21:14Yeah and then that's at some point in the production cycle.
0:21:19Peter Jackson has this Facebook posting where he's happy to announce that it is now going to be three movies.
0:21:25His accountants are happy to announce that.
0:21:29Well this is why I would really wonder how happy he was about that
0:21:34and how much he was involved in this in this decision.
0:21:38Because one of the things I didn't mention from last time
0:21:42but I found really interesting is that it's the same writing team who did the Lord Of The Rings and they
0:21:50and the one point I wanted to make listening to myself argue about The Hobbit movie from last time is I kept mentioning
0:21:57all these times about how it's different from the book it's different from the book.
0:22:01Which was interesting to hear me say because it comes across as though I wanted to stick to the book very accurately
0:22:08and that is never my opinion with movies that are made from books or movies are such a different thing.
0:22:15It has to be wildly changed because they're just such different media.
0:22:20Yeah and it can be death for a movie to stick closely to the book
0:22:24and one of the things that I thought was really great about a lot of the Brings was that they did make all kinds of
0:22:31changes.
0:22:31They moved stuff around in the timeline they added a few scenes they cut a whole bunch of stuff
0:22:36and I thought that that was done just just really well so I want to make it clear that my my complaint is not does not
0:22:43stem from the fact that it was different from the book The Lord Of The Rings movies are very different from the books
0:22:48but they're done really really well. It's just that the Hobbit movies.
0:22:52When it's different and it all goes poorly and it just it it irritates you more. But yeah I did.
0:22:59OK I'm sure it's drive it know when you've made it when you've made a change and made Yes by making the change.
0:23:04Yes and I was thinking about it a lot and with that with that two movies to three movies announcement
0:23:11and I thought this moment here was really the kiss of death because with the Lord Of The Rings there was way too much
0:23:18to film.
0:23:18Way too much
0:23:20and that what they had to do was cut down what could have been sixteen hours if you just filmed it as it happens in the
0:23:26book and compressed it and then the exact reverse process has to happen with The Hobbit of bending and stretching
0:23:33and I'm sure that that is why the same director the same writing team this in the same everybody can be involved in two
0:23:43very similar projects and one of them at least in my opinion came out great
0:23:47and one of them is objectively a boring trainwreck and I've gone from ruthless cottons to shameless patters.
0:23:54Yes Yes I mean when you're adding stuff I mean it is not really the same.
0:24:00But I do see that even with with my own scripts I'm really aware that cutting it almost always makes it better.
0:24:08I mean you're an editor for for your own videos I'm sure I'm sure you must see the same thing as well you have a you
0:24:15have is a creed it is desired to keep stuff in that you like or to have it longer
0:24:20but it's almost always there is there is that there is a conflict there's always that conflict that you think
0:24:24everything so interesting but in your heart of hearts you know cutting out more is probably for the best.
0:24:30Which is why you know I don't cut my stuff enough
0:24:32but if I if I do spend a long time on something it invariably gets shorter and shorter and shorter because
0:24:38when I go back with a fresh set of eyes the next day I will always cut it how long I don't even notice how long does a
0:24:44typical day. Let's just I just watch one of your videos today with Phil Moriarty.
0:24:50Yeah the one about everything in the waves and randomness.
0:24:54Yeah so that that video was I think about ten minutes long you know a little better nine minute something
0:24:59and how how long is a conversation like that
0:25:02when you record it for the first time what is it what is it started as to get down to ten minutes I would say that was
0:25:09in the order of.
0:25:12It seems pretty concise they stay on most subjects so I would say that was in the order of twenty to twenty to twenty
0:25:18five maybe.
0:25:21Everyone's different someone like Martin Poliakoff in the chemistry videos you know is almost like fifteen minutes
0:25:27becomes ten minutes.
0:25:28Phil might be twenty becomes ten but there are other people who will talk for thirty or forty minutes.
0:25:35But yeah I would say that was around I was in the order of twenty so I have to interesting do you watch Game of Thrones
0:25:42I do not watch Game of Thrones although that conversation went well then I guess I try
0:25:49and I try to read the books I haven't read the books but I'm told by my much much better half who has just been.
0:26:00All the ones that have been written so far but she loves them but they're pretty long.
0:26:06Yes the pretty long and I'm sorry.
0:26:09Aside from the Lord Of The Rings I have almost never found myself able to get into any kind of fantasy genre.
0:26:18But yeah there's something about them that my brain is just I am very bored
0:26:24and I think they all suffer from this huge vocabulary problem it is almost almost every one of them it's OK here's a
0:26:33map and here's a whole bunch of kingdoms you've never heard of the real characters and races of people
0:26:38and all of this and that is to me is almost always such a barrier to get into fantasy. The T.V. Show is cracking.
0:26:47It's really good. I hear is that you know that's good.
0:26:50I don't I don't know why I just for some reason it hasn't crossed my threshold for something to watch
0:26:55but I've got a series one here's a box so here's how hard copy.
0:27:00It's just that I want that kind of I'm going to watch it I'll watch online.
0:27:05Save your money because you would never like demo to legally or anything so I was trying to save you money
0:27:10and lend you my D.V.D.'s. Well then what can you play a D.V.D. On these days.
0:27:15Well well actually that's I'm not sure in our house we have anything that can play D.V.D.
0:27:21and That writes My my new my new macro. No Matt there's no there's no D.V.D. Player on the side of my macro.
0:27:28Maybe I'll just hand a summary and a piece of parchment
0:27:31and then come an actor for a new original SCO please don't do that no that would be terrible.
0:27:36Although I waited on H.B.O.
0:27:37Isn't that I don't know can you buy your stuff online I'm always hearing people complain of the castle why I was
0:27:42offering it to the fetus but then I have now I have to but have to buy a D.V.D.
0:27:46Player knows this is a good old into a D.V.D. Player.
0:27:49Any I only use mine to watch the data but I don't I don't have a T.V. To hook a D.V.D.
0:27:54Player up to now you can have tracked. All right stuff in my own stuff if you stuff that's going to be nine.
0:28:07I do I appreciate the sentiment. I'm just trying to get objects and I have another to try to to try to.
0:28:15What's this about Skype live translations. Oh just as a follow up to the language stuff you know. Language.
0:28:27Yes My favorite I just today an enormously long keep getting e-mails from people still about the language thing.
0:28:33You're always arguing with points that I didn't make as well as my fund the number of e-mails that I get from people
0:28:39who tell me language lessons are really important because they grew up in a country that didn't speak English
0:28:45and they learned English and they wouldn't be able to write an email to me now if they had had
0:28:49and there's never the argument making people if you know I am perfectly fine bored with English language taught in non
0:28:56English language speaking countries but as always this makes everybody even angrier when I say that
0:29:00but still I get e-mails anyway saying you know I could never have written this big long enough for you to ignore it.
0:29:09I have to say someone did write an email to me today.
0:29:12Today was I got it was the worst I was doing e-mail all day long but someone sent an email
0:29:17and it was one of these emails I could see on my screen just the look there's a little scroll bar saying that it's a
0:29:23quarter of the whole thing. Someone's writing this thing and they say I see at the top oh it's about language isn't it.
0:29:27Writes I just caught this the line about I would never have been able to write to you if I hadn't learned English
0:29:33and yes just delete.
0:29:34OK fine whatever is gone
0:29:37but I have that what with the link that I have here for us to just mention is as follow up is Skype did a demonstration
0:29:45now and I was always wait until you see the actual thing
0:29:48but the demonstration looked really impressive of them doing lies translation between two people using Skype video chat.
0:29:59One was anger.
0:30:00Speaker and one was a German speaker and so they would they would take turns talking to each other
0:30:04and I have obviously I can't evaluate the quality of the chairman translation
0:30:09but the German woman was saying came across as reasonable English to the to the listener on the sand
0:30:17and it looked really impressive and has sort of
0:30:20and it was right like it was up to the second it was a lot kind of like when you see footage from the United Nations
0:30:25and everyone's got their faces and you hear some guy droning on in the background you know a few words behind
0:30:31and you kind of you know we're way down OK so it was not it was not real time in the sense of speaking over the German
0:30:40talker.
0:30:41They still they still had the alternate phrase it was like one person said something they wait
0:30:45and the other person said it but it was it was fast enough that there wasn't three seconds of silence
0:30:51when the person stops speaking basically as soon as they stop talking.
0:30:55It said whatever they said in the appropriate language
0:30:58and I remember this from reminds me of a link I sent you that months ago that we never got around to talking about in
0:31:05the podcast I think and it was.
0:31:08Baby say I thing was in all this trouble because people were complaining about the quality of the live captioning you
0:31:14know because obviously a lot of shows on B.B.C.
0:31:16A live captioned by ICE I don't know if it's a used to be sort of stroke of the top people I don't know if it's become
0:31:23automated now or not.
0:31:25Anyway people complaining there are mistakes
0:31:27and you know the silly mistakes that happen where a word gets translated into something silly or nonsensical.
0:31:34And part of me thought well OK let's get it right. But another part of me thought what are you complaining about.
0:31:40This is incredible that you've even got you've even got this this think that this exists.
0:31:46Sure there's a few mistakes but can you even I can't believe it's even possible that we can do this
0:31:52and people are complaining about a couple of wrong words come along.
0:31:56Brady has you know very well people like to complain. So yeah. Everyone everyone has their type I guess.
0:32:06Has this is a I think you know you are in a high
0:32:08and mighty place to be looking down upon the people complaining about transcription errors in their live captioned Mr.
0:32:15Oh I can hear the clicks
0:32:17and it makes me weep in my car you know it's good to say that my misquoting thing is getting on
0:32:25and you're using it back at me now. Yes Yes that's right.
0:32:30So so Mr Mr I think no one should be taught languages even and no one should be able to speak English.
0:32:38There was another article we've got here on the notes as well. I think I spotted this one a sentinel.
0:32:45This was a baby see a news article about a report showing that language learning is a slow news brain aging so yet
0:32:54another excellent reason that we should all be learning other languages. I still disagree with this because as.
0:33:04I've seen a bunch of stuff like this talking about the things we came across before it was about language language
0:33:11learning delaying the onset of Alzheimer's for example. Yeah and there's no argument that that is the case.
0:33:19But the interesting thing is that it is nothing special about language.
0:33:24It has everything to do with learning something new
0:33:28and this is this is this is where you see the interesting articles talking about people doing Sudoku
0:33:35or crossword puzzles and you know that that's highly correlated with delayed onset of Alzheimer's
0:33:40or just forgetfulness in general but the interesting thing
0:33:45when I've dug around in that a little bit is that it has much more to do with the people who do crossword puzzles are
0:33:52generally learning new stuff in other areas of their life as well and that is that's really the key thing.
0:34:00We're kind of keeping your brain young and healthy is to continue to learn new things.
0:34:07So but that's my main complaint with articles like this is yes language learning slows brain aging.
0:34:12You could do that with anything I'm sure.
0:34:14I'm absolutely sure he could do the same thing with programming languages right teaching people how to program a
0:34:20computer. I'm sure that would show the exact same kind of result.
0:34:23So it's a question of that's not an argument in favor of learning languages in particular.
0:34:28That's an argument in favor of learning in general there are many benefits to it.
0:34:33So I'm still not convinced by this documents at all. Did your best I guess.
0:34:41Coleman speaking of words and rightness and wrongness.
0:34:46I am going to try to not bring up the ongoing turf war between you
0:34:53and I the thing is the thing is you're trying to act all noble here but your time not bring it up.
0:35:01The view jacking versus freebooting thing.
0:35:03However I notice you can converse yet however I am not bringing this up on the internet I am just using the word that I
0:35:12think is better and then you always chime in with your remarks about how we know what you really think of you know
0:35:19when you need to do something if I have to I don't think I've ever tweeted you to correct you
0:35:24and say oh you should call this this view jacking instead. Well I don't use it anyway.
0:35:30You know exactly what you do as you know I you know when it lands there's a debate to be had
0:35:37and I have many things to say about the problem with the tones you jacking
0:35:42but I respect I respect that you have I respect that you're taking and to building me up
0:35:51and helping me with Freeview thing. Anyway it's all good fun and I love the conversation. But anyway I think it's time.
0:36:00Just to put that behind us and just let nature but of course what you type
0:36:05and I think you tweeting more stuff now I am not
0:36:09and you are up to something I could hear your figures up to a disease that I am I am treating at the moment.
0:36:17Actually I just the whole course but my keyboard I will I swear if I were you you would do
0:36:22and I was completely listening to your conversation about freebooting it was very interesting thank you
0:36:32and I just realized I was trying to find a link earlier and I was unfortunately able to find it
0:36:38and I'm going to see if Twitter can find it for me for a discussion later on
0:36:41but I swear to New York if you want to keep talking about feebly thing is really no no I didn't talk about it in the
0:36:46first place. What I want to write I think you did you were the one who brought it up.
0:36:52Why do you want to talk about I think you just
0:36:56or what I did want to talk about was net neutrality because this is the term that there is no replacement for as yet
0:37:07and I've been racking my brains
0:37:10and I it's amazing actually as a little side it's only occurred to me last night while I was thinking about this
0:37:16particular issue how little time I now spend just having ideas that you don't really like my thing
0:37:25and I'm just so busy now and I can go back to having ideas was your thing. Elaborate on that.
0:37:31Well I like that used to be the thing I've thought I was quite good at
0:37:34and people would tell me I was good at what's coming up with all these new ideas and creative things and
0:37:40and I feel like I don't do as much anymore because I just have to produce so much stuff to feed my earlier creations
0:37:47that I don't sit and just have new thoughts
0:37:49and that I need to do it more it was just something I thought if I spent a lot doesn't you know you're really creative
0:37:58and have ideas and then.
0:38:00Working all wouldn't be a good idea to do a video that every element on the periodic table and do it like this
0:38:05and make it look like this. So then you have to go and make the thing that takes time.
0:38:12Anyway I gave myself a bit of free time and I thought about placements for the term net neutrality.
0:38:19OK And having just built myself up for having ideas
0:38:22and being creative this is just saying Yeah I can't wait to hear this I would be so I failed it obviously is not my
0:38:29thing anymore because I didn't do very well but I do have some thoughts
0:38:34and I wanted to kind of throw them out there to you and to others
0:38:37and do a bit of a you know a Gugu sit on the bin bag brainstorm everyone talk
0:38:43when you're holding the beach boat thing
0:38:46and see if you see if you like any of them will just say some of the things I was thinking about
0:38:53but let's look at what I want to hear these great ideas
0:38:56and could you possibly say unless it is possible that you could say that you know that this is all in your mind if it
0:39:08was possible you'd be editing as I said I could.
0:39:13So we'll wait for the live editing for a plane crash going that the flight I will even I'm not even giving you the
0:39:19pleasure of editing I go in there anymore but you know you have got to be kidding me.
0:39:24You have been doing nothing but complaining to me about the lack of plane crash corner
0:39:28and I'm all ready for plane crash going to this time
0:39:31and now you're not going to do it again I think you just kind of like I do every time now.
0:39:36Well I well first of all I only cut it out once and yet I think that was because it was incredibly boring.
0:39:43It was just it was just in the humanly boring but it was only bored because you didn't go with it.
0:39:52No it was required only with practice a patient and I would like you to respond
0:39:57and you were just like you were showing me boring things. Boring anyway.
0:40:01I cut that out because it was it was just no one could have sat through that
0:40:05and then the second episode we didn't have a plane crash corner.
0:40:08You yourself said all that's not to plane crash corner and I said fine
0:40:13and I didn't I didn't I said we'll talk about it and I mention how it's your mom's favorite section on the show
0:40:18and you got that now.
0:40:19I did cut it out because if we're going to do it what are we going to get we're going to have a a five minute
0:40:24conversation about how we're not going to do something.
0:40:26Now this is we were talking about editing Earlier today I made the editorial decision we don't need to talk about the
0:40:32thing that we're not going to do all right out it goes.
0:40:34So Ruth hello internet with that one out of forty one
0:40:40but I'm all right I'm already feeling crushed going to I'm going to be waiting.
0:40:44I'm going to be waiting and I'm going to leave whether
0:40:46or not you do it I'm going to leave this in so that that the Internet can understand what's going on
0:40:51but in the meantime let's before we get to Blake I think it will be very exciting.
0:40:55Why don't you tell me your exciting that Italian names and.
0:41:02We have friends everywhere and I think some people get upset when they hear a slight Jake here
0:41:06and I think we're having if I say we should just tell them that you know we have friends that we are
0:41:12and if we do have a fight I will just buy you dinner.
0:41:15Yeah well no you didn't and not your your top gent for doing that
0:41:20and then we went back to the hotel I was staying at and I said
0:41:23and I said you know let's have another drink at the bar because we haven't a good chat
0:41:27and how extortionate were the prices of that by those two drinks cost nearly the price of dinner.
0:41:34I don't remember because you paid for that hotel it was a rip off and they wanted to charge fifteen quid for a wife
0:41:42when I had three J C It's still not letting that go on I think you're just delaying because you don't want to tell
0:41:50everybody your net neutrality name I'm sure I know I can not possibly survive the build up to
0:41:56and I'm trying to diffuse the build up a little bit I know you are but it is not.
0:42:00So what I'd done well diffusing And there you are building it up again.
0:42:03Can you just sort of let it quietly just seep its way back into the conversation.
0:42:06So anyway I also have a think about net neutrality in a few different words for I know you want me to use that as an
0:42:13edit point no no I don't want it that way but I'm not going to do it that way that was not intentional.
0:42:20So I was thinking about things like jumping and leap frogging
0:42:24and things like that because that's part of what it was and I've written down all these and I was thinking of.
0:42:29There's been lots of data discrimination which is one that a lot of people are already raised is quite good
0:42:36and I was thinking of words that involve like segregation
0:42:39or data damning because they kind of a lot of it kind of came to rivers and water and stuff like that.
0:42:46And I've written all these things I'm going to go through them all now because I can't now.
0:42:51I did I did think that pay lanes.
0:42:54And cash lanes and also cash for comment was always a really popular controversy in the U.K.
0:43:01when A marriage that politics once you had of cash for comment I have not heard a cow getting mixed up actually I was
0:43:07in Australia that cash for comment caused to be controversy this was
0:43:10when radio presenters were taking sly payments to talk about products not like not like in an ad that we do in a kind
0:43:22of a sly sly buy
0:43:24and it caused this controversy this cash for comment so I was thinking like you know you could have some dollars for a
0:43:28data type thing and I had all these rubbish ideas
0:43:32but there are a few that I did like the first one I didn't mind I like the sound of although it has got its problems
0:43:40was streaming now terrible terribly of on the down telly was terrible and it landed what what is being split.
0:43:52I don't understand the stream of data split streaming does that just sound that is twice as much data coming into my
0:43:59house if it's. Streamed Interesting OK slow flow no no that's also awful.
0:44:06What about and forty this one's kind of already has another yeast I quite liked it.
0:44:11Narrowband Inc And it's the best in the past
0:44:17but it's still tot Isn't it is it is very hard I think what we saw on the red it was most people I think that the high
0:44:24supported alternative was that they just didn't discriminate one nation and there's over quality and then another
0:44:30and another thing I quite liked I was thinking something I don't know much about medical terms
0:44:35but I was so I was thinking about sporting terms and I thought about sandbagging because that's what's happening here.
0:44:41It's sandbagging. I don't know it's I'm betting is is that good. Does that give it does that give us hope.
0:44:49I mean sound sandbagging sounds bad. Yeah well let me start sandbagging I mean set.
0:44:57No what the oceans from is it from car racing with I would put bags of sand in the car to hide its true performance
0:45:04and then on race day you take out the bags of sand and you cause larger
0:45:07and all the other cars much faster than I realized.
0:45:09That happens a lot in other games and sports
0:45:12and things like that where players pretend to not be as good as they are for the reasons of their ratings like in chess
0:45:18for example you would lose chess games at times that don't matter to get a lower rating
0:45:24and then you kind of blitz everyone later on taking advantage of your low ranking
0:45:29and that's kind of what they're doing with data here they're sandbagging they're weighing down slowing down certain
0:45:34data and it has a kind of negative connotation to it
0:45:39and it's also quite a fun term so sandbagging the best of the bunch. I've still got so much data.
0:45:48Yes Yes Brady idea machine man has more ideas to come up with I think for that one thing split streaming in there of
0:45:57ending a cool words the problem with split streaming from. May is it.
0:46:01It actually sounds to quote sounds like a good thing
0:46:03but oh yeah yeah I know that the My initial reaction to it is well it sounds good and I don't know quite why
0:46:10but that doesn't sound like it's good. Yeah dreams are fast and it sounds like it's good.
0:46:16Narrow banding I think it's going to be axed after that after that huge build up on your part after that one quality
0:46:23such as I tried to dial it down a bit but I wasn't trying to say like I was his idees machine
0:46:27when I was trying to talk about was
0:46:29when we become busy people we have less idea less this time for ideas was kind of my my point that kind of I failed to
0:46:37make miserably before I then failed to do you think if you had more time you would have come up with better ideas.
0:46:44I don't think this is a time issue.
0:46:46If we gave you an eight hour workday
0:46:47and we paid you what we know what you would have your your last earnings for that time
0:46:53and we give you straight eight straight hours to come up with a better name.
0:46:55I'm not convinced that you could I mean I don't know it and I reckon I would really.
0:47:00Yeah because I've got your very confident men are going for a swim.
0:47:04I'm not saying I've come up with like a good enough idea and I'm certain it will come up with answers.
0:47:09Just saying if I paid you for eight hours of work you certainly would think of that real art
0:47:13and I'm saying I would come up with a better ones than that.
0:47:17I would come up with your place because you will only be places
0:47:20when that you come up with that is not true at all that is that is an unjust
0:47:25and unjust remark it isn't just because you didn't come up with you jacking say and I did not
0:47:31and you are pushing that power because for the work.
0:47:34Yep
0:47:35and the final thing I would be remiss if I did not mention this thing that one hundred people at least must have e-mailed
0:47:40and tweeted me which is the John Oliver's video on net neutrality. Yes yes of course a lot of people said that to us.
0:47:48Yes and it was excellent.
0:47:50Yes it was very good
0:47:51and his alternate term was cable company for three of his his suggestion for net neutrality because he to come.
0:48:00But in his video the difficulty
0:48:03and the boringness of the term net neutrality so I would put it in the show notes although I have a hard time imagining
0:48:08that anybody listening to the show has not already seen that clip which was done it was done very well most of it was a
0:48:16really good it was really good. Yeah so I think that was you know another one so the net neutrality Brady flow.
0:48:25Because do you know that Brady in some context means slow really celebrating his fate
0:48:35and I was thinking well I can't have all the glory it can't be called Brady fly.
0:48:39Also because I don't want my name attached to something. Rubbish. What about great data.
0:48:45Because then we could have black black data which is stuff that isn't allowed to come through anyway.
0:48:50White data white listed data which is the stuff that so premium and paid for and gets the golden ticket
0:48:56and then you've got great data which is stuff that gets laid down and has this dreary life getting through the pipes
0:49:02and might come to the house and I was trying to you know I think that's also a terrible suggestion.
0:49:07It's hard to believe in what you just said there are white listing blacklisting and great listing are already words
0:49:13and they don't have anything to do with speed
0:49:15and the same thing with a white hat black hat grey hat hackers think there's the China trying to connect the color with
0:49:22the with the slowness I think is not so good.
0:49:25Whereas the color gray obviously has lots of connotations with being in the middle which I think works for me because
0:49:32in most of my opinions are quite reasonable and quite in the middle.
0:49:36Unlike yourself who's taking nothing but extreme positions on everything all the time do you think. Oh yeah.
0:49:42Nothing but clean with incredibly extreme positions on over an extreme person
0:49:47and I do sometimes frustratingly non-extreme that's what I want you to be more extreme and your thoughts
0:49:54but Joe is you know is Mr Reasonable Oh I can see both sides of the issue. That's that's you. Do you agree.
0:50:03Yeah I guess yeah I do see I I think there is more to every story than people realize.
0:50:11I think the world and life is extremely complex and we make a lot of judgments and decisions
0:50:16and our views are not very well informed.
0:50:23So I'm reluctant to have a really really solid position on lots of things because I just know I don't know all the
0:50:29information.
0:50:32But it's funny you say that because I would agree with everything you said
0:50:35but sometimes I will still end up with a stick.
0:50:39Well I think we do have to take positions and stance you can't just keep flopping in the wind on everything
0:50:44but that's why I kind of sometimes I'm quite mild is because I'm like well I don't know I don't know the whole story.
0:50:53No one does. Who am I to make it who much to say. Well let's talk about shredders stratas.
0:51:02OK I see this on the notes What is it what is it if you want to talk about this thread is
0:51:06when did this come up I was just reading something.
0:51:12Yes it I think you I was in the middle of shredding the messenger instead of in the middle of shredding all these
0:51:19documents and I will never ever know to shred
0:51:23and you were like you can believe that you were quite surprised I thought yes I was I was surprised I was disbelieving
0:51:31that you never own a shredder.
0:51:33This is it I mean your dad is a tax attorney or something isn't a say yeah he is my father is both a lawyer
0:51:41and a tax attorney you would have to have a tax attorney asked for a lawyer and a tax attorney.
0:51:49So you grew up with shredders.
0:51:51Yes My dad has this in his office in North Carolina he has this big borderline industrial.
0:52:00Shredder for documents
0:52:01but I mean that of course as a lawyer he's dealing with pieces of paper that have this very private information on
0:52:08people so scary numbers and income estimates and all that kind of stuff.
0:52:12So he needs a real industrial shredder to deal with getting rid of that kind of stuff
0:52:17and I guess he always instilled in me the value of shredding documents without any personal information
0:52:24and is due to very the shredding documents.
0:52:27Yes I think well I think in my own spin on this which is that I think what you were making fun of me over instant
0:52:35messenger was that I was telling you that I just read every piece of paper every piece of paper that I'm getting rid of
0:52:42it just goes in the shredder and that is not out of paranoia.
0:52:47What that is is reducing cognitive load so that I never make a decision about oh is this a charade where the piece of
0:52:54paper or not all paper is shredded worthy.
0:52:56That's just the way it works that's just the rule
0:52:59and that's the sort of that's I like doing that like you know I have pre-decided
0:53:03and gotten rid of a thousand decisions over the course of my lifetime with just making this the rule.
0:53:09All paper is shredded.
0:53:10Doesn't even matter if it's just the on the low but something came
0:53:12and it all goes in the shredder I swear someone should do some psychological study of you.
0:53:18You would be you'd be an absolute gold mine does that not sound reasonable to you know I think that's all you know even
0:53:23though this sounds so ridiculously reasonable. It sounds so no reason than human. That's great.
0:53:31I don't understand what you even mean by ridiculously reasonable rational.
0:53:36I've rationalized what do you hear your word if it can't be it can't be true rational how if something was too rational.
0:53:46You're just you're describing something that must be irrational which is that it can't be rational then I just think I
0:53:53am being rational I think you are irrationally rational and I know that doesn't make any Lyme to shred everything.
0:54:00Or that you don't have to make a decision about whether to shred things or not I don't know why that's so funny.
0:54:10Like I mean it makes sense like I said it makes sense but I just kind of a bit have you gotten this right
0:54:15or are you going to join me on this. Well I haven't got a shredder and a pub and didn't you say you had some big time.
0:54:22If you had to shred that you're just.
0:54:23Yeah I guess there's some I had the corner of your mouth Liam reserved for pieces of paper that you're never going to
0:54:29shred that you're just keeping is that I actually don't know whether it's that typical
0:54:32when I think of no better even better
0:54:36when those sensitive pieces of paper go I know not where they are I don't think I've ever heard you as upset at me as
0:54:45when you found out that I have a little notebook full of passwords. Gods now don't even go anywhere.
0:54:53No no no no I don't I'm not I'm not even sure we can have a conversation about this now I feel like I need to prepare
0:55:03for this. I mean I think people you know as one of on an electronic device or something there. Yeah. Where when.
0:55:11Which is completely imperious is not allowed in at least someone has to break into my house
0:55:17and physically take it to get my passwords and the sort of people who break into houses and smash windows.
0:55:24The sort of people who are more likely to do a poo on your bed hack into your computer.
0:55:29Where is the sort of people who are going to get your passwords out of your phone in some clever way.
0:55:33The exact sort of people who want to steal passwords because they want to sort of the Crimea I think having your
0:55:38passwords written on a piece of paper in your house is safer than having them on your phone.
0:55:46Oh well think I'll actually if I can calm down for a moment I will actually agree that having I mean you hide this I
0:55:57hope somewhere in your house or it's not just.
0:56:00You don't have a book that is written on the front cover passwords to all my important things.
0:56:04And you leave it next to the computer somewhere else. Oh no that information you just said is the case now.
0:56:14So I will I will agree that writing passwords down is not necessarily the worst thing that you can possibly do
0:56:24but it's also just an issue of that's just that's just as really clunky.
0:56:31It's just a very because I know you're a person who has at the very least a large number of Google accounts to deal
0:56:37with so many passwords it's ridiculous. Yeah so.
0:56:41So we need to do what we need to do to get one password on as a sponsor for the show
0:56:47and then we can do we can do double duty where I can yell at you for awhile about what you should do
0:56:52and then we can have one password sponsor sponsor the show will do that at some point we can but.
0:57:01Anyway we need we need to get back to the thing we started with Fred
0:57:03and you want to bring up the shredders So why aren't you buying one.
0:57:07Why aren't you doing this can I buy you a shredder was you would you accept a shredder into your house you're trying to
0:57:13give me some D.V.D. Player that I don't want.
0:57:15Meanwhile you desperately need a shredder can I help you with that with that I think I would call it like I think I
0:57:20would quite like the noise and the
0:57:22and how they would look at all of the shut up it's not going to take up the lakes is it.
0:57:29I will I will get you a shredder
0:57:32and you have to get one that does cross cutting that's the that's the that's the way to go.
0:57:36Cross was that let's you know was just the just the lengthwise part so I'm not those links.
0:57:41So that's like in the movies.
0:57:43Yeah
0:57:43but the point is not to make it like it's in the movies The point is to shred the document you can even get better ones
0:57:48that basically powder eyes the piece of paper that just grind it up into dust.
0:57:53That's you know that's really the thing about the long stripes is you have got like and you've got an out. Like if you.
0:58:00Should something you weren't supposed to shred you could do what I do in the movies
0:58:03and next if you take that back together and which I've always thought I could be
0:58:07when you know that that's the scenario you want to optimize for how could I do this if I shredded the wrong guy so it's
0:58:14good to have an end. Yes I guess your whole life is just so different from mine.
0:58:20Today look not so I don't want I want to be a nice subject I imagine you found a nice looking one.
0:58:25Well this is I I have to get a new one from my new office.
0:58:28I have I have a little I have a little tiny one at the moment you could have any if you want a picture of my strength
0:58:34and I want to hear it. This is like a pod cast. Oh you want to.
0:58:38You should trade something well I don't have very much paper
0:58:42and a lot of the feeling of my not surprised if you can just fax documents I'm dealing with today I wish I could strip
0:58:52tease went all my tax woes are over oh we should talk about how much I hate taxes.
0:58:59OK And then I'll be able to give them mortgage companies. Yes And then that will be the best episode ever.
0:59:07How we can advertise that one here. So you do. That's now the first world.
0:59:17Middle aged dude's problem here
0:59:19but not even the interesting one yet not even interesting ones we are not sure how close they can bring the show to the
0:59:23microphone but I found a piece of paper to shred of unique one let me know how this goes.
0:59:29I have a feeling that I did that work for you Could you hear that is nice man.
0:59:50I haven't even Cena and you so good I'm glad we're going to get this sorted. You'll be living a more secure life.
0:59:57The Shredder and it's just fun it is fun to just.
1:00:00Shred a whole pile of papers I was going to talk to you about my technology was have we got time.
1:00:09Well first of all we have to fit in plane crash corner. I'm not I'm plane crash going on television.
1:00:16OK boycotting at this wake your boy. OK don't don't put this on me internets.
1:00:22I'm sorry Mrs Gray I'm sorry Mrs Gray I know you like that's that's great mom not not going to which which makes me so
1:00:33happy that she is OK
1:00:37but now you've got you're going to make my mother sad because you know the plane could go that final two decision that
1:00:42thank you to everyone who keeps sending me links to every single plane isn't going to happen.
1:00:48I actually am grateful for them to you like every little thing I know I want to say to that crashes in to some mountain
1:00:55container I find that within minutes.
1:00:59So oh boy I was really really really and so I think it's going to start or what you want to
1:01:08but you're sick you are on an attorney well I will give your Brady's paper. OK All right. Bankers and you get yours.
1:01:14Thank goodness.
1:01:15OK I do like paper cut Brady's paper for this episode that you may
1:01:20or may not hear depending on how brutal Gray is with that size he uses to broadcast hardly hardly is going to be a use
1:01:30of the word humble or humbling when people are not being humble or humbled in any way.
1:01:38We look like we're down Yankovic I'm a hundred million times more humble than thou art kind of thing.
1:01:45It's kind of like that I don't think there's anything wrong with blowing your own trumpet from time to time.
1:01:51You know goodness knows we'll do in a stupid things and make enough mistakes and have enough failures that
1:01:56when something goes right it was OK to tell people you have to feel.
1:02:00So but I think this does turn out of being humbled and I've noticed a lot in sport a lot of sports
1:02:09and using it as which is what put in my head Oh you mean the act of someone being humble Yeah OK Now either either the
1:02:19language has been mangled or I have just misunderstood it for all these years and you're about to set me straight
1:02:24but I don't see how someone has someone saying I walked into the stadium
1:02:30and a hundred thousand people were screaming crazy hair and you are amazing.
1:02:34You are brilliant and then I went on to the field and I scored nine go and all the cheerleaders loved me
1:02:42and thought I was brilliant and every man wanted to pay me and they gave me trophies and medals
1:02:47and I was named the best player on the ground and I have to tell you Gray I was humbled by the whole experience.
1:02:54People used the word that way that Lindsay.
1:02:56Yes how is how people look when something when really good things are happening
1:03:02and people are telling you you're awesome you know. You know well I don't know maybe they're wrong maybe they're right.
1:03:09But to say you're humbled but the opposite of humble that's what I think
1:03:14but I hear all the time people saying you know.
1:03:19This this amazing thing happened to me and everyone told me I was brilliant.
1:03:22A cocktail humbling or people get up and win the Nobel Prize
1:03:27and get a standing ovation the first thing they say is I am truly humbled today by this you know to be given this award.
1:03:33How was humbling.
1:03:34That's you know you know being humble a humble like you could I'm not saying you're not a humble person
1:03:40and maybe all those people screaming your name in that adulation isn't something you want
1:03:45but I just don't understand this context of saying I was humbled
1:03:49and it's like that here we have humbled in the verb form to lower in dignity or importance yes or with regard to sport.
1:04:00To decisively defeat. Yeah yeah.
1:04:04Now what those things are to different context if you know your team wins ten nail you say like we humble them
1:04:10and get us get used that's the proper use of it. Yes but either of those.
1:04:14Nothing like everybody telling me how awesome I am is really humble I could I see examples of all the time where people
1:04:22want to make a small or large you know they want to they want to talk about something positive
1:04:28and they dress this way but I think it gets misused
1:04:31and I oh well I'm glad you agree because I thought you were going to tell me on a Brady you misunderstanding the word
1:04:37humbled in this context so I don't I don't I mean I haven't come across the most famous use of it recently where it was
1:04:43used properly was actually Rupert Murdoch
1:04:46when he went before that parliamentary inquiry into all the phone hacking scandal to happen in the U.K.
1:04:53and The PM Pais called him up before parliament and he had to answer all these questions
1:04:57and he started off with his famous statement saying I've never been you know this is my humbling day of my life where
1:05:02I've never been more humbled or something like that.
1:05:05Fair enough you know he was there with his caught with his pants down and he was about to get a shellacking on T.V.
1:05:11He was being humbled. But that's the word means. Yeah but other people love the most.
1:05:17Another recent example the one that made me think of it was Ryan Giggs the Manchester United footballer who just who
1:05:24just retired after his glittering career and deserves lots of accolades and then he got all these variations
1:05:31and he said he was humbled by it.
1:05:33How how how could he possibly have a stadium full of people applauding you and telling you you're great
1:05:39and feel humbled. I just don't get it.
1:05:44I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine the Pons was trying to imagine standing in a stadium having hundreds of people
1:05:51or thousands of people tell you how awesome you are the cheering you.
1:05:55I can see that that's an emotional experience I'm trying to imagine what it what is the word.
1:06:00To correctly describe that because I can I can imagine that you might feel weirdly small in a moment like that
1:06:10and you enter the stadium with all these people around you. But that's still it's still different from Humboldt.
1:06:17I don't I'm I'm trying to think of a better way.
1:06:19On a bus crime open to being told I'm wrong about this because I don't think you will get is so often misused.
1:06:24I'm beginning to think I'm wrong. Well this is this is the problem.
1:06:28This is the problem with language as we've discussed is just words slide away from whatever their meanings are
1:06:34but it is it is weird when words sometimes end up taking on the opposite of their older meaning. Hello Internet.
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1:08:54I don't need to just say I just happened to see a link for a link to this Amazon Video Did you see this green
1:09:02announcing some products. OK Let me see if I can find this for you really quick. I'm watching it now.
1:09:13OK you get the idea of sort of a too easy video of people going wow this is amazing
1:09:17but they're not showing us what the actual product is OK for you know for the for the listener.
1:09:21That's exactly and it's just it's all the shots of people saying boy this thing is this is great.
1:09:25It is framed that they're all looking straight down.
1:09:30Yeah the thing that is off camera they're holding something in the hands of looks like like well like we have a little
1:09:35something you know they're holding something in their hands.
1:09:38But others on Twitter
1:09:39and somebody described it where once once you hear this you think oh yeah the three she'll look like at the video of
1:09:46people consecutively discovering that they have genitals which is exactly is because these people look down we all go
1:09:55Oh wow. Or this is fine. Someone's going to make a mash up of that that's going to. We wholly inappropriate but.
1:10:04But anyway so.
1:10:04So this video just keeps going on like it is about a minute a half long of nothing
1:10:11but people describing this thing off camera and how amazing it
1:10:14and let the headline on the video is find out what these Amazon customers are talking about.
1:10:18So very deliberately mysterious mysterious and I look at something like that
1:10:23and I always think that is just the worst possible business strategy you could ever have.
1:10:30I think Apple is one hundred percent right to just keep their mouth shut about stuff until it's available.
1:10:37Because what happens
1:10:38when people see a video like that is they in their minds imagine whatever this this thing is to be exactly what they
1:10:47want it to be.
1:10:50And so when that whatever it is I mean Amazon could announce that they've cured cancer
1:10:57and people would be really disappointed if they want to.
1:11:00That's exactly I think I thought I thought I was going to be you know a personal robot you know all I got was a cure
1:11:06for cancer you know thumbs down and I don't understand I mean marketing people must must know this right.
1:11:16That people are going to start assuming that it's exactly the thing that they want
1:11:20and so you're just you're just guaranteeing disappointment this oh so important marketing to build up hype an
1:11:27expectation like they don't they don't make Hollywood movies in secret
1:11:31and then say By the way come to the cinema tomorrow because Batman's ready I don't know.
1:11:38I think something like that's a little bit different because you're trying to get everybody in a place on a particular
1:11:43day I don't like products products that are for sale or are not quite that same kind of thing.
1:11:49And also it's something you don't market it as we have a really great movie. We're not going to tell you what it is.
1:11:57Just show up on that day. Yeah right. Because. How would people be no matter what the movie if it's a Hobbit movie.
1:12:04Yeah great job. It's just what I wanted. No wonder they don't tell me what it was.
1:12:10Yeah
1:12:11but they could do that they could have a secret announcement is oh there's a movie we're not going to anybody show up
1:12:16you know show up on this day and it could be another Firefly movie and some people would be hugely excited
1:12:22but most people would be really angry.
1:12:25So it's a little bit different but I so I approve of Apple Apple's decision with us
1:12:30and it's funny because they see even on a really small scale I don't often talk about the videos that I haven't done
1:12:37because I see the same phenomenon while I will mention oh I didn't do this thing for example that I mentioned in one of
1:12:44my videos that I didn't do a video on Settlers of Catan
1:12:47and I still get comments from people all the time saying oh you really need to make that videos on some video on
1:12:52Settlers of Catan. But it's the same phenomenon that those people are imagining in their mind.
1:12:59A theoretical great video and that's that's not what I would necessarily have made.
1:13:07Oh I would love to hear you talk about The Hobbit for hours would you really are you just imagining a really great
1:13:12version of that so I think this is this is this Amazon Video I think to me is a perfect example of don't pre-announce
1:13:18stuff.
1:13:18Companies just keep it to yourself and then and then have some announcement saying here's the thing that we have
1:13:24and you can buy it today I think that Apple method is is just much much better so I approve of their secrecy I think
1:13:30it's a it's a good it's a good thing to do don't don't build up stuff just just have it available
1:13:36and also make good stuff and people will be quite happy with that.
1:13:40So before you leave us to come and I was developer All right you are still making videos.
1:13:48Yes I'm still me and it is again one of those rare moments you have put a video out. Yes yes the counter has reset.
1:13:57Well only reset briefly because you released.
1:14:00Something Yeah ten minutes after I put up of it did you actually get strange and zero into that
1:14:04and I know I didn't have a thing you were holding you have some video that you are holding back now all the time I
1:14:11assume to release immediately afterward that doesn't work because it works on the upload time it was pure coincidence
1:14:16that
1:14:17and I'm sure you're just going to have the video that you're going to wait to upload until after I try to put something
1:14:23I mean not that I'm out you release videos practically hourly anyway so I have to be quick if I want to get a screen
1:14:28shot of the Brady vs gray counter at zero for Brady one for me.
1:14:34Doesn't really matter but if you want to just be a is about for those who have been saying
1:14:39and if you listen to how I went in and you're a fan of say T.P.K.
1:14:43I'm a bit disappointed you haven't watched the video yet but but just for those who don't know is about family trees
1:14:51and how they work and yes I have a cow cousins work and grandparents and all those sort of things.
1:14:58Yes because this is really the heart of that video but it's about the titles in family structure is what it's about.
1:15:06Why did you make this video.
1:15:09This one has been on my list for either two
1:15:14or three years now because I myself went to a family reunion for my wife's family
1:15:23and didn't know any of these terms cousins and the cousins is really the complicated one.
1:15:32But even the things like grand niece exactly who is this person who's a grand niece.
1:15:39So I was at a family reunion and of course I'm an inlaw to all of these people in my wife's family
1:15:46and I ended up at the family reunion.
1:15:51Partly because all of these people were new to me of course my wife knows who they are they're her family
1:15:56but this is the first something I had been to since we got married and.
1:16:00I ended up going around like a total nerd with my i Pad and talking to people
1:16:07and figuring out where they go on the family tree
1:16:09and making a little family tree to try to connect everybody because I got I got a pretty accurate impression of her you
1:16:16were pretty quickly then do you think that's fair. One thing in there with the i Pad feeling in a family trait.
1:16:23I guess that is a dumb idea anyway so I thought I did that just a minute because it is very rare for me to be in a
1:16:33social situation where I'm actually going to meet such a large number of new people
1:16:38and I have since my family is very small.
1:16:43I had no mental framework in which to place all of these people
1:16:46and that's partly why I thought OK if I'm going to meet thirty new people I need a diagram for all of you so I can
1:16:53understand where you are in relationship to my wife and so therefore where you are. Relationship to me.
1:16:59So that was very handy although I. Yeah that's it.
1:17:04Anyway since that experience I have been thinking of doing the family tree video for quite a while
1:17:09and have now have yes because I had to make was I mean it's taken years what was the what was the roadblock between you
1:17:16thinking I should make a video that isn't actually making that video.
1:17:20It's not it's not like you had to you know this stuff would have been hard to find out I imagine.
1:17:25No no I mean this is this is one of the things where I haven't been actively been actively working on this for three
1:17:30years I'd be quite sad it's just been on my list of projects to work on and for various reasons.
1:17:36It eventually filtered its way up to the top of the list.
1:17:40This was relatively quick that partly because the net neutrality video ended up bumping back something else that was
1:17:44supposed to happen and I was trying to pick something that would be faster to do in this.
1:17:48This seemed like a natural topic to pick but I think I'm relatively pleased.
1:17:53It's a it's a weird one though because it's actually a live.
1:18:00Not typical of your videos or certainly of your recent videos. So a lot a lot of people have said that.
1:18:05I'm curious can you tell me what the word What about it do you think is it typical
1:18:10or why do you think it's different if you can you know I don't mean to put you on a smile I know a lot of money put on
1:18:15the spot but yeah I'll have to think a kind of to think um I say if I can give you Brady thinking time you can come.
1:18:22I'll just I'll just make it up as I go in.
1:18:27I mean it is a kind of visual it was different because it didn't have I had a lot less variety in the usual videos
1:18:36because you can't you just navigated your way around this family tree up
1:18:41and down unless you say it didn't have to fit it didn't have the feeling of like a journey that some of the other ones
1:18:48have of moving to different places and different people and different.
1:18:52So in that respect it was it was visually different than I found it.
1:18:59I've found I'm more confusing than I have found some of the videos like I think I said to you after I watched it just
1:19:08in our own personal communication I said I like Oh I had to watch a second time in a kind of this and that
1:19:15and I think that has a lot to do with me being just the way I absorb information.
1:19:21I'm not a good attention paid and I'm a bit maybe I'm just a bit slow but the fast videos I struggle with anyway.
1:19:28I kind of I learn
1:19:31and absorb a slow state maybe in this one I was kind of like whoa whoa what was that like that so that others that I
1:19:39did take a lot from our lot to and I really like and I think it was a really good video to have made
1:19:46and to exist I think you're really feeling and they eat which is both good for our trysting raisins
1:19:51and hopefully is good for you because lots of people watch it over a long you know it's about time the city.
1:19:57Yes You know it's funny though. Two things that I hate.
1:20:02There was one part of the video that I struggled with which I had two different audio tracks I recorded the audio in
1:20:08two different very different ways one of which was much slower.
1:20:12One of which was the one that ended up going live just a faster version of it
1:20:17and I'm going to forget stuff that I've said before so this is my blanket I may have said it before
1:20:23and I'll try never to say it again the podcast
1:20:25but in the videos I'm trying to be very intentional about having the speed be inversely proportional to how much I'm
1:20:34expecting people to remember something.
1:20:36OK so I go slower when I want people to remember things or I think something is complicated and I go faster
1:20:42when it's it's you just need to get the gist of this but the details don't matter.
1:20:46Like lists of countries I always get asked of course because I don't expect someone to remember twenty seven country I
1:20:52do know that a big list exists. That's exactly right that that's the time where it's perfectly fine to go really fast.
1:20:58Yeah. And so I felt like this this whole video should have been slower.
1:21:06That was one reason why I had the slower audio track.
1:21:09But like you said with the visuals being very different I was really aware
1:21:14when I was animating it yet because there was less going on.
1:21:18It could have been quite pedestrian just slowly roaming around the family tree.
1:21:22The video felt like death with the slow audio track
1:21:26and it was it was amazing how much of a difference it made I thought I can't I can't put this up.
1:21:33It's just it's just I mean it wasn't even much longer I think that the slower audio track ended up being like thirty
1:21:41or forty seconds longer in total. Yeah.
1:21:44So maybe the whole thing is ten or twenty percent longer
1:21:49but it really made such a difference that I thought even though I would like this video to be slower it it has to be
1:21:56faster because of the nature of the visuals and you will help with this.
1:22:00But actually when I was at a meeting and I thought you know what. This would make a really good Brady video.
1:22:07No I thought having someone explain this in your video format might work much better.
1:22:14Because in preparation to do this one I spoke to a few people in person trying to walk through the cousins thing to try
1:22:20to see how people where did people get confused by it.
1:22:24Yeah and I found in person this worked much better and I could see I was a little conversation back
1:22:31and forth between people this is good
1:22:33and so I was immediately thinking like the number of file videos this is this is almost a perfect operate for someone
1:22:38with a with a pen and a piece of paper to go through
1:22:40and let's talk about the relationships of all these people so we were discussing last week with originality.
1:22:46I think this is a topic that you could totally do again
1:22:49and I would be very interested to see the family file video on Cousin structure and.
1:22:57As an interview though as a as a lucky just an explainer someone let me asking questions all
1:23:03or just a good explainer doing as I think the way you do most of your videos you are filming somebody else talking
1:23:10about it.
1:23:10You're obviously asking questions in person but you often edit those questions out
1:23:14and then you were filming the person going through the things I think it could be done again in that way
1:23:20and be another interesting video to watch because I agree if it ended up being a little too fast and
1:23:27but I guess that I think that with that was just it was the natural result of the way the animations worked.
1:23:32Interesting by Paris and some man.
1:23:34I'm very I will I don't want to compare your videos to mine because I think your videos are better in a lot of waste in
1:23:41most ways but
1:23:43but the way because I recently did a video where I explain something myself which was this Monty Hall sequel that I was
1:23:51not at all I guess where I sort of said OK I sort of took the bull by the horns of it
1:23:55and said OK I've had all these other videos about what I want to explain how I would explain to them.
1:24:00One so that for me was watching myself explain something in a way you know watching is me trying to do what you eat
1:24:08what you do and you know Henry doesn't know.
1:24:10Oh you guys you know just to spin and explain myself and I found it interesting to see how I did do it differently
1:24:17and I did do it quite slowly I mean I didn't because it's not has got much information on my video
1:24:23and it's just let me say that again I understand.
1:24:26I want them out of the whole problem deserves that it deserves a very slow walk through of what the link in the show
1:24:34notes for people listening problem with with to go to the car behind the door the host changes on you know we talked
1:24:43about that little bit beforehand
1:24:44and that that is one that really deserves a slow walk I could never make a video about the about the mud the whole
1:24:51problem.
1:24:52Quickly it which would defeat the whole purpose of doing a video like that no one would be able to follow it I guess I
1:24:58look like when I'm being when I'm teaching someone something and I'm told I'm quite annoying
1:25:02when I teach people things.
1:25:04If I'm probably not a good example but I do like to like emphasize things and say things twice
1:25:09and say did you say that look I'm going to show you that again and they say fastidious don't lend themselves to that
1:25:14and that's where I kind of well that's why I watch them twice. Two views.
1:25:20Yes Oh it's not really that I have hundreds of thousands of people watching my videos I have tens of thousands of
1:25:26people watch it and many times it's proper I'm sure that's not the case.
1:25:30Anyway let's go back to the video though because if you there's a couple of things to talk about that have fallen out
1:25:35from we have to do is and as soon as it went
1:25:40and everyone was waiting for us to talk about some the podcast you made a mistake.
1:25:47Yes yes let's I'll let you I'll let you explain it.
1:25:53Yeah so in the video there is a section where I talk about in-laws and I.
1:26:00Mistakenly used the phrase in law or prefix or I say you add the in-law prefix to the title to get the full name
1:26:10and of course you talk about a brother in law. It comes at the end it's a suffix not a prefix.
1:26:17So for those who didn't even realize that mistakes in there it's not like a structural mistake to the explanation here
1:26:23it's just your affair you made almost you almost making a sort of an offhand remark about this.
1:26:29This prefix when in fact should have said it's a suffix
1:26:31but it doesn't it doesn't change the meaning of the video in any way it's just a pedantic little little point
1:26:38but people notice.
1:26:41Yeah if I did this I didn't know I watched it twice and didn't notice
1:26:45and then I had said I want to have Gray's comments a going
1:26:47and then all of these comments about every everybody every comment Well that's what.
1:26:52Since you just brought up an interesting point I'd like to go on the record here.
1:26:55So very often people spot a comment like this
1:26:59and then they'll say something to me like why don't you just put up an annotation
1:27:04and instead of avoiding all of these comments and four for a video
1:27:11or for an error like that I will never put up an annotation because it doesn't like that that that error doesn't matter.
1:27:20There's nobody out there who's speaking English who is going to be writing
1:27:24or saying in law brother as a result of my video. No one's going to do that no one's going to make that mistake.
1:27:31So I don't put at the end the annotation because my suspicion is that most people don't notice and it doesn't matter
1:27:39and putting up the annotation then is just it's a distraction from the video is the same reason why it with Iran that's
1:27:48a bold campaign to get rid of the pop up ads because those those pop up ads come twelve seconds into the video
1:27:55and it's just it's such a distraction for a moment from I'm just watching this.
1:28:00Video
1:28:01and I think any kind of annotation you run that same risk that the annotation is just for a moment it divert someone's
1:28:08attention
1:28:09and since I think most people don't notice I don't want to put something like that up to call attention to it it has
1:28:16nothing to do with so I hope people think that I'm right about everything
1:28:19and it just it just has more to do with that little element of distraction.
1:28:22Yes it's like clattering their viewing experience.
1:28:25Yes and I know every letter is a visual clutter
1:28:28and I actually my wife watch the video I didn't say anything to her about it and she didn't notice either.
1:28:35When did you realize the mistake was there. Oh I knew it in the audio tracks I had it you know when you editing.
1:28:41Yeah that is part the problem is actually I phrased it slightly differently in the slower audio track
1:28:47and the phrase in the slightly wrong way in the faster audio track
1:28:50and I was I spent a good while trying to edit around this but I knew it was there when it was uploaded
1:28:56but I couldn't edit around it in a way that didn't suddenly have me talking really slowly
1:29:01or where the edit point wasn't just so obvious and awkward so I left it and I knew it was there. I'm amazed by that.
1:29:08I'm amazed you didn't fix it. Well I'm just from what I know of you.
1:29:15For me this is a workflow issue is going back and fixing something like that at that stage is not so easy.
1:29:24I mean I've often wanted to do some research into professional voiceover people to know more about how they do their
1:29:31jobs because I am really aware that I cannot record things at different times without them sounding incredibly
1:29:39different. So I had set up all my audio equipment.
1:29:42I had done the recording I caught the error later
1:29:46and I knew if I'm going to fix this I have to fix the whole I have to redo the whole thing.
1:29:51You couldn't redo the whole thing so you cut to the sounds that it would have just been a massive mess.
1:29:56Yes it was it was mainly an issue I wanted to get it out by when. Today at the latest.
1:30:02And I was doing the mental calculation of OK how long is it going to take for me to redo the audio
1:30:07and then re cut it and I figured now I'm not going to get it out on time.
1:30:10This is going to push it back just a little bit too much.
1:30:13I am willing to take the hit on this error and let it go up which I want to point out.
1:30:18Internet I am not a perfectionist
1:30:20and I think this is evidence for that fact that I am very happy to make cost benefit decisions along these lines of Is
1:30:27this error worth fixing
1:30:29and in this case I came down very clearly on the no side of it it wasn't even a debate in my mind
1:30:35but I'm not redoing the whole audio just for this this one little thing
1:30:38but I knew that I was going to have to deal with everybody everybody commenting on it which they did they did in spades.
1:30:45I got many e-mails and tweets and comments
1:30:48and thank you everyone for pointing for pointing that out I think the top comment on the right discussion is that
1:30:54because that's what has assuaged doesn't make you think history done the only you know has a change of mind you stand
1:31:01by the decision. Now I know I completely stand by the decision.
1:31:04I know that if I if I had done that the video wouldn't be up. Now I would rather have it up sooner than later.
1:31:10Yeah because it's also for me it's an issue of impacting the future things that I'm working on because I know full well
1:31:18that if I didn't get it up by this week.
1:31:21Even though in theory maybe I'm only adding a couple hours to the actual work flow.
1:31:25The result would be I would end up spending more time on that video because now I'm mentally thinking well it doesn't
1:31:30have to be up until the following Monday and I would end up putting more detail into the animation
1:31:37and so this was a this was a just cut down on future workload decision which I think was the correct decision
1:31:43and I you know I can't imagine there's anybody out there who thought this video was great
1:31:47but that one error just killed it and now I'm not going to share it on Facebook.
1:31:51So I mean you must do the same thing there must be times
1:31:53when there are things in your video that you know are inconsequential errors and you leave them
1:31:57and I mean you're writing also but that might happen. It happened today.
1:32:02OK activated I knew it was a number of our video went up today about the friends and strangers there I'm in
1:32:11and it just has a.
1:32:13There was a moment where the guy called Simon who's in the video wrote a greater than sign
1:32:17and it should have been a greater than or equal sign
1:32:20and again incorrect it should have been greater than a course it didn't change the meaning of what he did.
1:32:27He's ten and a half thousand miles away so we can't really record and I noticed and I discussed it with him
1:32:36and he he knew he'd noticed it as well and we just said well it doesn't change anything.
1:32:41Anyone who notices anyone he knows it's a mistake.
1:32:47Understands what's going on well enough anyway so it's the sort of person who pointed out is a sort of person who's not
1:32:53going to be misled anyway because they're savvy enough so I left it
1:32:59but I did put a note in the in the video description saying it five minutes fifteen way to where it should have been a
1:33:04greater than it was and when I uploaded I uploaded it with that comment.
1:33:08So I was the top comment it was the upload a top comment so anyone who looks at the comments will say as the top
1:33:13comment still.
1:33:18If you are you're assuming people read those descriptions you control the descriptions with nonsense nobody reads.
1:33:23No no no I don't give a description wouldn't matter
1:33:26but I thought taht comment would matter because I think if you're going to write a comment don't you just just like if
1:33:32you're going to make your glasses joke on Twitter.
1:33:35Nine times out of ten you get a check that no one else is made to check first that you just used.
1:33:40You're so filled with the desire to correct somebody else you just scroll past all the other stuff in the comment box
1:33:47comment box become a part of the book the top comes an IP IP in Atlanta.
1:33:51I'd be too embarrassed to write a comment on the You Tube video without first checking that there weren't a million
1:33:55other comments the same but other people don't share this reservation.
1:34:00But then you then you have to spend time looking through the You Tube comments which is a total train wreck.
1:34:05Yes yes yes I would look through all thousand but I'd look at the top one
1:34:10and in this case the top one deals exactly with the thing that they're commenting on that's why I made sure it was the
1:34:14top comment.
1:34:16So anyway it doesn't bother me I knew it was going to happen
1:34:20but in answer to your question sometimes these things happen.
1:34:23My reason was more because of we couldn't do it because the guy I filmed is in Australia now
1:34:29but even I just had a look at the place to leave a comment on You Tube is above the top comments that someone could not
1:34:37even see the top comments when they're when they're writing to creatures of course.
1:34:42Well I certainly hope they're not saying it. I hope that's true.
1:34:46Even more disappointing if we are looking at the top comment saying a perfectly logical explanation for not letting
1:34:52them a stake in what happened and why has it been fixed and then just blindly wrote you made this mistake.
1:34:59I'm I hope they're not looking at what they want to really rub it of that I felt that he had more faith in humanity.
1:35:05If they are saying the comment and still writing that is astonishing to me that people write these comments
1:35:12and it just shows how much of Internet commenting is just people talking into the void doesn't because all of these
1:35:20people who are writing comments expecting people to read them and even reading comments themselves.
1:35:26Well I think they should take that as a lesson that he only sees already the coming.
1:35:31Yeah this is a bit on our topic list for a while as to some time to do a episode about common forms that this is a
1:35:40particular hobby horse of mine.
1:35:42Now I should even mention now because people are going to imagine the most perfect hello internet episode ever about
1:35:46that but yes I think that it least on You Tube You Tube is structurally set up so that you are yelling into the void.
1:35:56Obviously comments are not like that everywhere but the structure of Youtube just made.
1:36:00So when you are here I really have a mental image of opening a room opening a door to a room
1:36:07and there's thousands of voices already in that room screaming and then you just yell your comment in
1:36:12and close the door that is I would be the real world equivalent of contributing to this discussion.
1:36:18It's just why even bother.
1:36:21Sorry You Tube engineers who work on the comment system you know that I have met some of you I know it might not be
1:36:26your fault but that comment system is just a total disaster and I'm never going to not harp on it.
1:36:32Speaking of comments I know that you know that you do love comments his read
1:36:37and there has been some discussion in the wake of your family tree video which was which was quite interesting which is
1:36:45about the issue of.
1:36:48Your new video prompted someone to think about the end of their their family tree in terms of that the name.
1:36:54Obviously there are certain configurations that will result in a male name being passed on the more
1:37:00and you know the gray name would continue because I haven't had children and my brother has been
1:37:05and this person was feeling quite sad about the idea that maybe their name was about to hit a dead end.
1:37:10Their surname and I think you were winding them up a bit you will say you weren't
1:37:17but your responses were very deliberately coded robotic saying well why do you care about your name.
1:37:24I don't get it you know.
1:37:25Well you are winding them up a bit
1:37:28but is this really do you really not understand why someone would be sad that their name would come to an end.
1:37:34I get what with two things about this show if I can find that common first well I will genuinely say that I was I was
1:37:41not trying to wind them up.
1:37:43I know that you will believe that people on the Internet might not believe that but I really wasn't
1:37:48and it is partly just a side effect of the day that video was released I had only slept two hours I was up all night
1:37:57animating it I went to sleep very briefly. And then got up and finished working out in the morning and uploaded it.
1:38:02And even even at my best on video release days I tend to be pretty brief in the comments partly because of just so many
1:38:09comments coming along that I do.
1:38:13I can come across as quite curt
1:38:16but I'm much less likely to write long comments comments on video released so I think that that's partly why I come off
1:38:22as very brusque in that thread but I'm not trying to one person up.
1:38:25OK
1:38:26but what we're about to discuss here is a particular example of something that I would say happens in my life quite a lot
1:38:35which is someone will discuss with me something that that they had a purpose that that there may be that they don't
1:38:47like like some sort of problem like this person saying oh it makes him sad to think about his his family name dying out
1:38:52so he will discuss with me something in their life that they that they that is making them sad
1:38:57and I'm trying to convince them that the thing that's making them sad shouldn't make them sad in the first place
1:39:05and then that generally just transitions them to sadness. Now mixed with anger is usually the response that I get.
1:39:14And I can kind of understand why this happens but I also Chen you really find it is sometimes kind of baffling
1:39:20and confusing and that's not what the Cubans were grey I don't know how humans work.
1:39:28This is this is so I would say this is a problem I have with the discussion.
1:39:31I would I would like you to try to explain to me now why is it that not everybody but
1:39:39but some people are concerned with the notion that a hundred years from now there are people who have their name
1:39:49descendant from them walking around the world.
1:39:52I don't I don't know when we talk about that before we talk about that let's talk to you about how humans work.
1:40:00OK Many times when people tell you their problems they do not want you to solve their problems.
1:40:09Why they tell me their problems.
1:40:11Because they want empathy because they want to share their problems they want to unload it.
1:40:17They want someone another human to tell them things are OK They don't want them to invalidate their feelings
1:40:23and tell them you're wrong to think that not only like like if your wife comes comes home from work
1:40:33and she's had a bad day.
1:40:36This is general advice not to talk to your wife because you know what's different of Sacre she chose to marry a
1:40:43but right.
1:40:44Life is lightly done there but generally if your wife comes home from work
1:40:49and says I'm having these problems at work I had a terrible day.
1:40:52My boss wasn't my boss wasn't nice or clients weren't nice or something went wrong and.
1:40:58They don't want you to sit there and say Well tomorrow this is your strategy.
1:41:02You've got to go into the room and tell the people this and then you go to report that and you got to fix this
1:41:08and you got it. They don't want that.
1:41:10They just want you to put around and make them a competent
1:41:13and say wow you had a really rubbish day I feel really sorry for a while.
1:41:18Life is tough but I'm here and I carefully they don't want you to sit and likewise
1:41:25when someone says I'm feeling a bit sad about my name coming to an end.
1:41:30I don't think they necessarily want a robot to reply to them
1:41:34and say well what you're feeling is completely irrational there's no logic to it.
1:41:39You're wrong to feel sad your sadness is invalid.
1:41:42And this is why that's not what humans want when they fled their homes.
1:41:46But if I could convince that guy that there was no reason to be sad about this he would be better he would be happier
1:41:53if he realized Oh that is irrational to think I that's OK This is not a problem anymore.
1:42:00No I have where people like this is not convincing to you.
1:42:04No course you know the saying What if we will all computers
1:42:09and I don't I don't I know I don't think I have it I don't mind the robot job
1:42:14but I feel like this is this is a general there have been cases in my life where I have been discussing problems with
1:42:20people I'm almost always looking for feedback and I'm very happy when people have some kind of solution.
1:42:25That's great that that's enough I have a problem
1:42:28and someone has a solution please believe Jared to me Don't put your arm around me and go up so sorry for you I.
1:42:35I empathize with you you know I like you do you have a solution to my problem I would love to I have experiences this
1:42:41way.
1:42:41I've had this catastrophe with my will hang on I'm not going to say catastrophe because two weeks ago I was you know
1:42:49there was a loss in my family
1:42:50and someone else had the surgery so this mean serious stuff going on so I'm not going to describe computer problems as
1:42:55a catastrophe because they know that I had substantial problems with my computer and hard drive
1:43:02and it looks like I've lost a lot of data with them.
1:43:07Hopefully what needs what needs to be backed up is backed up
1:43:11but there was so much stuff that it wasn't even feasible to back some of the stuff I'm talking terabytes upon terabytes
1:43:17of archive now looks like it's gone. I've had to have a winch on Twitter about it a couple of times saying oh dear.
1:43:25What I want is either a so is I think I would like someone to say there is a solution you can recover.
1:43:34I would like that
1:43:36but also I don't mind people saying oh poor Brady that's really bad feeling for a man to get your data back I hope it
1:43:43works out I don't want people telling me you should have this is what you should have done
1:43:48or this is you know get back stuff up but no no listen listen to this one a bit of a around you and well life is tough.
1:43:56It's I have to interrupt you here for two things first of all one you talk.
1:44:00About your computer problems I believe I have said many times like wow that really set you great.
1:44:05Yeah that's right and that's what you should always do. Yeah. Yes but can I tell you why I did it in the circumstances.
1:44:11Because me telling you. Oh you should have backed up your data. That's just me being a jerk right.
1:44:16Oh if you had a time machine you could go back in time if I could.
1:44:20Yeah great but you know what that's not where we are right now where we are is that you've lost all the data
1:44:25and you know what the loss of data is tremendously sad. There's no recovering from that is gone forever.
1:44:31And me telling you what you should have done in the past is pointless totally pointless.
1:44:37Nothing nothing to be done there.
1:44:38So I expressed a loss you know I like sadness over the loss of so I did this is the right thing.
1:44:45This is not the situation that we're describing right now but he currently has a problem
1:44:49and is a solution to that problem and they don't want me to tell them the solution they instead want me to go on.
1:44:55So sorry for you.
1:44:56Now that's two those are two totally different unrelated I think I think they are different I don't know that is really
1:45:03different.
1:45:04I think they really defy thing going to really you know I think there are threads here I think there are threads here
1:45:10and lessons that connect to you but you're right they are very different for the way she explained.
1:45:14Yes thank you let's come back to the one you slammed.
1:45:20I'm clearly I've had my say about how I think sometimes people should be dealt with
1:45:27when they express things that make them sad. Let's come to the actual facts of the matter.
1:45:33Yes And this is this is now like problems.
1:45:36Yeah there's a time out there their family name dying out despair to come to anybody else to care and carry on
1:45:46but I think it's a shame and I completely empathize with what they're saying
1:45:49and I think telling him that his name is just a construct of sounds and language attached to it. Alina.
1:46:00Each of fleshy watery bodies that are reproducing overtime I don't begrudge none of them around her son.
1:46:07But this is I think. OK you tell me you tell me the rational you tell me what he should be said.
1:46:14Well here again we're touching upon like a sensitive issue here which is two different things.
1:46:20If somebody wants to have children and is unable to have children for whatever reason that's a huge tragedy.
1:46:27That is that's just very sad. Yes yes of course and it's why if you want to talk about you know like pet peeves.
1:46:36One of the pet peeves that I find totally unbelievable is that it is socially acceptable to ask a couple
1:46:44when they're going to have children.
1:46:46That infuriates me to no end because it's like such a personal issue and people have fertility problems
1:46:53and there are couples who want to have children and if they're trying to have children
1:46:57and not able to like that's such a huge sore spots of the very notion that it is socially acceptable to to ask people
1:47:04when they're going to have children. I just I cannot believe the people. Yes I find that just infuriating.
1:47:10YANG It's so rude to do that. Making me angry even just ignorant. I'm on board with yeah so.
1:47:17So like that is a totally different issue. Yet that was not the conversation we're having.
1:47:22No no no no that is not that's far from the conversation. Yeah so so that that's a very different issue.
1:47:27The idea people were literally having a conversation of people talking about hundreds of years in the future there's
1:47:34not going to be anyone who's descendant from this person
1:47:38or the name is going to die out there was there was another sort of sub thread about in about I think this guy has
1:47:44daughters who will have children presumably
1:47:47but he's not going to have a son you know he's not going to have a son to carry our name
1:47:52and I find that just just like I just I don't even understand what the person wants or and so there's.
1:48:00There's a line here in the conversation where I'm trying to I'm trying to ask
1:48:04and get it clarified it's like I don't understand why people care about the name in particular
1:48:10and the response was you know it has to do with tradition and legacy and family values.
1:48:20A name is is not just a word with a response and I say it's a symbol it's a symbol but surely traditions
1:48:30and legacies and family values those have to do with the people I think maybe your living daughters and their families.
1:48:37What is this what does the name have to do with this.
1:48:41This thing at all if that's cool if there are of course that's true but it's still really sad if someone goes
1:48:47and if someone went and I was going to say the Vatican but I went to that's a bad example
1:48:51but if someone goes he smashes down an old church you know the church is the people
1:48:57and the people could build a new building and still come together and have that community
1:49:01but it still said that this five hundred year old building has gone because it was a symbol of what came before.
1:49:08Also terrible analogy that active destruction of.
1:49:12Something like I think it was a destructive if if if it just fell down from old age
1:49:18or it had to those you know it went for natural reasons.
1:49:23A sinkhole opened up in the ground and it sank into the ground.
1:49:26Whatever whatever the reasons there's nothing wrong with symbols like and people
1:49:31and it's sad to see the end of if you're watching a film of some and walking across the desert
1:49:35and it gets to the other side of the desert
1:49:37and then right at the very end of its journey a rock falls on gets squashed. You can say Oh well it was just an ant or.
1:49:44Well there are other ants but it stew said when you've seen something go for a long time and do carry on.
1:49:51Come to an end.
1:49:52There's like an attachment you were giving me nothing
1:49:55but examples that I agree with that I think are all irrelevant to that.
1:50:00Question about the family names like the death of the death of a living creature.
1:50:03Yeah I'm agreeing that sad I watch that
1:50:06and they all want to see what I'm saying is attach those emotions to the symbol that is a name.
1:50:14Because that's what this person's doing. I know that's what they're doing. I can't understand I can't understand why.
1:50:23I mean here's here's here's the here's the deal you know you understand symbolism this if this person who wrote that
1:50:29read a comment was taking the position that I don't care what happens to the rest of my family
1:50:34and if they all have horrible diseases and end up in jail I don't care as long as they have my name.
1:50:39I'm happy if that was their position then. Then your analogy works and I agree.
1:50:45And I'm saying well hey man you're putting a bit too much emphasis on the name here
1:50:49but I don't think that's what they're doing.
1:50:50I think I think they have got things in a bit of context I think that has to be sad that a symbol that has been going
1:50:57for a very very long time because of a series of events and coincidences or happenings that you
1:51:04and I don't know about that symbol is about to come to an end.
1:51:07And and there's nothing wrong with mourning that loss and feeling a bit sad about it and I'm not saying I should go
1:51:14and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge that was unreasonable that I think it's perfectly valid to mourn the passing of.
1:51:26An old tradition but you know I'm like that I like old traditions I like old stuff it is just a name
1:51:34but it is a symbol and it's a powerful symbol it's not just a trinket.
1:51:38This isn't just a little little Eiffel Tower souvenir and I name it name is a very powerful symbol
1:51:46and therefore it through any other name would smell as sweet BRADY You know
1:51:51and I'm sure that person hopes that their descendants you know honors their daughters go on to do great.
1:52:00Things and their daughters daughters and sons and all those people.
1:52:04I hope that that person is not you know just completely you know to satiating them so from their family because the
1:52:12names are continuing. But I still completely understands that little bit a little twinge of sadness.
1:52:17There's been this long line of that name for however long. And it's and it's coming to an end.
1:52:22You know that's just that's the world kicks spinning but there's nothing wrong with being sad about.
1:52:29I completely understand what that person saying I understand what you're saying to you know this is your you're you're
1:52:38pretty cold you're pretty coldly rational about these things. You don't you're not sentimental.
1:52:45But I guess there are going to mentor people or I you know I still I feel like I have a hard time understanding.
1:52:52So I have a hard time understanding that the position and I know I know you don't.
1:52:58It's just a sentimental attachment to something that's been in the family for a very long time.
1:53:03That's about to not be in the family anymore.
1:53:07That's it's losing it's losing it's losing and no nice thing
1:53:12and I know that you don't want things it's like it was some watch that had been in the family so I was I was just I was
1:53:17just as I use that as a as a counter-example because that that is a case where I have I have no space in my heart for
1:53:25hand me downs of my own personal life
1:53:27but I can go there I can intuitively understand why other people place value on objects that have been in the family
1:53:35and I can get that you know you know you pass down your you know great grandmother's engagement ring
1:53:41and you know names and file names of very very powerful to us. C.D.P. Gray owner of C.D.P.
1:53:49Gray You Tube channel now you have a very pet names of powerful things that we that we are very attached to
1:53:56and very much part of us and I can understand the sadness. At losing one. What you say makes sense to me.
1:54:10But you're not taking sentimental you're not taking sentimentality into account enough. There's no right or wrong here.
1:54:27Well I mean I still think I'm right.
1:54:30OK Not that I'm not I'm not going to lie but that's because you are right but you're also the other guy's rut.
1:54:39Did you know that this is you can't both be right.
1:54:45Yeah I don't know I don't like it that I can
1:54:47and I can understand I can understand the physical objects thing even though I personally don't feel that I can see why
1:54:52do other people feel that it's then the name thing I don't know it's strikes me strikes me as especially weird
1:54:59when that weird but not understandable
1:55:02when somebody has a family they think they already have children it's just that by the conventions of the world that we
1:55:10live in. Males pass along the names and they get married and females don't.
1:55:15I get that I can totally understand it this is wrapped up in the question of do you have children
1:55:21and well those children have children.
1:55:23That's completely understandable but like oh I have children
1:55:26but they're not going to pass on the name that makes me sad is I don't know I feel it will become comes around this
1:55:32becomes about you know first world problems relative typing to doesn't like this persons complaining on Reddit you know
1:55:40to you who yes it got good luck already a terrible decision
1:55:44but you know everyone everyone here where shaming has a good life
1:55:48and everything's OK If this guy was wandering around the plains of West Africa to people who were dying of starvation
1:55:54and and asking for their sympathy because his name was coming to an end I would. I would say one thing about me.
1:56:01It's not a big deal but you know so I was
1:56:05but I'm sure he would recognize that as well yeah yeah all the other things I worry about in my daily life I think I
1:56:12would not be worrying about them if my life was about
1:56:14and so I likewise comparing comparing his mourning of a name to people who haven't got you know progeny who would like
1:56:24to have progeny. Well that's a different discussion.
1:56:29And I don't think he would and I think he or she is doing now but it's a good fun discussion.
1:56:36It's interesting you know. It's a strange it's a strange thing.
1:56:43I mean I don't think we'll ever have a podcast about this but
1:56:47when I hear you talk about you know the significance of names
1:56:50and things it does make me wonder about what you think about like you know the deeper deeper meaning of life
1:56:57and legacy and what we leave behind and do we worry about that and what happens next.
1:57:02Oh come on now we've got we've got ten minutes before you have to go. It's the same with this new language.
1:57:36So I just took my blue book.