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H.I. #13: Nobody Owns the Facts


00:00:00   We have the real me if you want to be the role I don't know I'm being original trying to tell you my Al story [TS]

00:00:07   but if you're out you know like by now says ones that look really like they look like I look mean and weird. [TS]

00:00:15   Yeah beautiful but they're also quite mean and weird looking you know [TS]

00:00:18   and I know exactly what you mean I was home one day alone at my old house and I was in the kitchen [TS]

00:00:25   and I just looked to my left [TS]

00:00:26   and standing in the dining room at night was one of those bands like just looking at me like in the house in the house [TS]

00:00:35   and to this day I don't know how I got in I think it musta come down the chimney but like it looked properly mane [TS]

00:00:41   and it didn't look happy to be there [TS]

00:00:43   and I was like What am I going to do so I kind of went towards it it's something I don't remember what I did [TS]

00:00:49   but it completely spoke to it and just out of flying around the house it flew into my office and was going crazy [TS]

00:00:54   and then it flew at Louie Louie my dog. Who is the least braved OK Steve Doakes. [TS]

00:01:01   Jesus she's a very sweet dog but she is not a guard dog she was terrified. [TS]

00:01:06   So anyway like I had I took her away and locked her in a room and continued my pursuit of this very scared Al [TS]

00:01:14   and it kind of eventually kind of cornered itself. [TS]

00:01:18   And like I got this big blanket and I went to throw it on the air and because I was a bit a bit nervous [TS]

00:01:25   and being a bit wary I like didn't throw a fire and I found it like social. [TS]

00:01:29   Yeah and I think by this point the bird was just like sick of it and it just likes it basically looked me in the eye [TS]

00:01:35   and said look I think you're going to have to do that again and I slaved over and picked it up [TS]

00:01:40   and threw a second time and this resigned itself and like then I picked up the Allen side a blank [TS]

00:01:45   and took it outside and threw it in the air flew away to tell you gosh I was excited. [TS]

00:01:51   I kind of that kind of exciting stuff doesn't happen to open to others like us very often. [TS]

00:01:56   No it doesn't but I would be. Concerned about that big barn owl because those things have claws that are no joke. Amen. [TS]

00:02:06   Oh it was scary. [TS]

00:02:07   You know I think if I came home [TS]

00:02:11   and there was a barn owl in my house I might just try to make sure all the windows were open and then just wait. [TS]

00:02:18   Just think OK you will eventually. Now you can you can put your head in the sand. [TS]

00:02:25   Why oh why couldn't I have them thinking about the current the current house that I'm in now there's a door that [TS]

00:02:31   divides the flat basically into two sections. [TS]

00:02:35   And so whatever section the owl was in I would just make sure the windows were open in that section [TS]

00:02:39   and then close the door and just spend my time in the other section. [TS]

00:02:43   It's going it's going to leave there's nothing to eat in the flat. [TS]

00:02:47   If you could go for days without food [TS]

00:02:50   but I just I can't do it just for the same reason that I think it's a wild animal stumbled across me in the woods the [TS]

00:02:59   wild animal could reasonably think well this is not a creature who belongs in the forest I'm sure if we just wait to [TS]

00:03:06   leave and go back into that indoor environment where he lives. [TS]

00:03:09   I would look at the owl and think the same thing now [TS]

00:03:12   but I wouldn't think that if you were like in its nest then it would be hang on a second I'm going to take action here. [TS]

00:03:18   This thing's in my nest. [TS]

00:03:20   Yeah but it's not as it should I would wait for the owl is the bottom line those talons are are big [TS]

00:03:26   and scary we're not talking about that like a little screech owl. [TS]

00:03:30   Those I mean if a little screech owl that's different I would figure OK with a blanket. [TS]

00:03:33   I would be much more concerned about injuring the screech owl a barn owl is I mean nothing that big. [TS]

00:03:38   I don't I didn't oh well but I think it was the right course of action I think locking in a room with a window open [TS]

00:03:44   and hoping for the best was not there was no way I should have been done. [TS]

00:03:48   I like you I really hope destiny doesn't listen to this now manly country bumpkin friend I think probably he probably [TS]

00:03:57   wrestles ALS every morning just for exercise. [TS]

00:04:00   Destin is an amazing human being and definitely a very manly guy he would have known what to do. [TS]

00:04:07   He would but I almost think that destine he wouldn't have to wrestle with the hour. [TS]

00:04:12   He would just know some barn owl whistle that he could make and it would fly fly over land on his arm [TS]

00:04:18   and then he would just roll with it outside and release bird and it would it would often go and slow motion. [TS]

00:04:25   Exactly that is what would happen if you had an owl in his house. [TS]

00:04:31   We forgot last week our Like most important announcement. [TS]

00:04:36   Well I feel like I forgot I feel like my one job is to remember a few things and because I don't have check lists [TS]

00:04:44   and that is that is a very exciting expansion of the hello Internet empire. Yes Empire indeed. [TS]

00:04:52   The hello internet pod cast is now on You Tube as I mentioned in my announcement video on my own channel not only is it [TS]

00:05:00   on You Tube It is on You Tube with stunning H.D. [TS]

00:05:04   Visuals of things you can just order one huge if you go to have a video to go with it. [TS]

00:05:09   There are plenty of park at the Just use of the logo but I thought that's not that's not the way that we should go [TS]

00:05:14   and you have provided some excellent footage for the first two with a couple of toys that people can go see on the You [TS]

00:05:23   Tube channel. [TS]

00:05:24   I do have to say I was kind of baffled because in a number of the comments I saw people wondering [TS]

00:05:31   when we just put the first one up which is the very famous drinking bird in physics you have a video explaining about [TS]

00:05:36   how the how the the stringing bird works. [TS]

00:05:38   It's everybody knows that it's the bringing bread from the episode of The Simpsons that was during the nuclear power [TS]

00:05:42   station for a little while anyway. People saw people sleeping in the Commons wondering if this was if this was mine. [TS]

00:05:51   If I owned this thing and I found it kind of baffling that anybody could could listen to the show and also think. [TS]

00:06:00   That I would own such an object and also you are clearly the video guy. So just for the record here people. [TS]

00:06:07   Brady is filming these things and I presume that you're keeping them somewhere in your house on the site [TS]

00:06:13   and I am I am keeping a little show of Net To be fair I didn't write it thinking dipping bird thing either. [TS]

00:06:20   I am buying these things for the podcast [TS]

00:06:23   but because they are becoming Internet famous I am now keeping them honest shelf as each one appears in one of the [TS]

00:06:29   videos and I'm like I'm retiring [TS]

00:06:31   and I'm hoping to have like a show full of all the styles some stage maybe will have a big bike in a charity auction [TS]

00:06:38   or something [TS]

00:06:39   or like a private commercial auction want one of the you know be able to just like give them to really rich people [TS]

00:06:44   maybe Bill Gates will make is enough. [TS]

00:06:46   Yeah now that I didn't duck that was in the hello internet podcast thing yes you can put a shelf [TS]

00:06:52   and the house I expect to see a shelf in the house then if I come and visit. [TS]

00:06:55   Try to have a lot of shelf space in my office at the moment some more official space I have are asking if you have an [TS]

00:07:01   empty shelf space you don't need it you need to fill it with things you can't just leave it empty [TS]

00:07:06   and the sounds perfect. [TS]

00:07:07   Well you do know and what we have to this is no episode I think this is thirteen today that we're recording this out [TS]

00:07:14   and even though so that is eventually going to be at least thirteen objects we're committed to season two so relieved [TS]

00:07:21   twenty objects and I can reuse any toy that has to be a new toy. [TS]

00:07:26   Yes Yes We don't want to reuse stuff that's just leaving. [TS]

00:07:29   So are you planning on trying to visualize how the shelf space is going to go with twenty objects. [TS]

00:07:36   I think I should I'm going to start trying to find and suggest unusually large toys for you to film. [TS]

00:07:42   I think it would be helpful. [TS]

00:07:44   OK try to find a think of the biggest thing that is also reasonable to film [TS]

00:07:48   and acquire awkwardly sit on your shelf for anyone who hasn't actually seen the videos you know obviously this is just [TS]

00:07:57   this is just the pod cast. But this is key. Ten us however long the pod cast is video of this toy just doing its thing. [TS]

00:08:04   So it's like a dipping duck for like nearly an hour and it won't surprise you to know gray that in my past actually [TS]

00:08:11   when I used to work at a newspaper in Australia I did start a little collection of little desk toys like little little [TS]

00:08:18   things I could turn around and things like that and I don't know why did I just I just had them there [TS]

00:08:23   and it became a real a real feature of the office and people used to stop by my desk and play with them all [TS]

00:08:28   and look at them [TS]

00:08:29   and people people really enjoyed it so I feel like recapturing a part of my early life to collecting these again. [TS]

00:08:35   So it sounds like a productive working environments to have people causally stop it which might have been what you were [TS]

00:08:39   aiming for was that it was an enjoyable job it was a job for which you were looking for distractions. [TS]

00:08:44   None I was I was a newspaper journalist it was busy and I didn't have time to play with [TS]

00:08:48   and you know so just a nice though just a nice thing. That's fair enough. [TS]

00:08:53   So with the pod cast on you as I mean you're in charge of this release are asking you more than anything what these are [TS]

00:09:02   kind of about ten episodes behind they so people can watch what you listen to them on You Tube and episodes behind [TS]

00:09:10   or follow us in the usual ways for the kind of more up to date stuff for the time being anyway that the You Tube [TS]

00:09:17   version is going to be about to see them behind is what you can assume and we did that. [TS]

00:09:21   Partly because I was surprised by how many people requested the podcast actually be on youtube. [TS]

00:09:27   It's funny I'm falling for that same bias I think everybody does where you assume other people are much more like you [TS]

00:09:34   than they necessarily are [TS]

00:09:36   and so because I listen to all of my podcast basically on my phone through a podcast app I assume everybody listens the [TS]

00:09:44   same way. But I obviously have from feedback that we've gotten that is not the case. [TS]

00:09:49   People listen in lots of different ways [TS]

00:09:50   and I was I was surprised because You Tube seemed to be one of the least of the messages I got one of the clear [TS]

00:09:55   contenders for another option that people wanted so that's what that's what we're doing for that. [TS]

00:10:00   I'm being and yes I will I will be relying on you for continuous interesting toy videos and stocking up on them [TS]

00:10:08   and if anyone's got any toys they want to suggest a safe aged Ono's any sort of you know high profile toy supplies you [TS]

00:10:16   know get in touch you can email Graham be ignored he may and maybe get a reply [TS]

00:10:22   or put something on the road that way who definitely will say it. [TS]

00:10:24   Email Brady I like those [TS]

00:10:25   but we've actually had this happened a couple of times where you have passed on to me something interesting that [TS]

00:10:31   and you have received an email from a listener and I like this I like the system that people e-mail you [TS]

00:10:36   and then you will let me know about a few things that make if your own filters I I am one hundred percent in approval [TS]

00:10:42   of this system. Have the ones that have made it through email. [TS]

00:10:45   Been good enough like am I proving in effect if they would like have you looked at them [TS]

00:10:49   and said yeah Brady was right to pass that one on him. [TS]

00:10:51   Yes No I definitely I definitely think that you would have heard much more vocally from me otherwise if I if I didn't I [TS]

00:10:57   didn't think what you are passing on was was worth passing on [TS]

00:11:01   or you would have just heard nothing because I wouldn't have replied [TS]

00:11:03   but I think I've applied every sentence so yes it definitely isn't is. [TS]

00:11:07   Email Brady briefly is the great keeper here I show you I ignore laws well put something on the Reddit because we both [TS]

00:11:14   like to read less true history. [TS]

00:11:17   Yet somehow the people who listen to podcasts on Egypt as I just opened it like in a separate tab [TS]

00:11:22   and just have in the background or they sit there and watch that stuff. [TS]

00:11:28   From what I've From what I've heard people will just have it on in the background they have on as a as a separate tab. [TS]

00:11:33   Although there was one commenter who said he basically put the duck on loop all day [TS]

00:11:39   and muted to go at it you know nothing about it but you know whatever works for you buddy. [TS]

00:11:45   He said he found that the video was really soothing to him and so whatever works. [TS]

00:11:49   I'm happy the video [TS]

00:11:50   or the video that we've put on the second podcast I actually quite like watching like I could watch that for a while. [TS]

00:11:56   The DOT gets pretty tired pretty quick but the second one without. That colorful liquid toy. [TS]

00:12:02   I really enjoyed looking at that one it's the second one is much more beautiful. The Duck has drama though. [TS]

00:12:08   You're waiting for it to take a drink of water. [TS]

00:12:12   I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with for our future videos. [TS]

00:12:15   So if people are interested you can go on You Tube and for the moment search for L. O. [TS]

00:12:19   Internet and it's the one that comes up right at the top and subscribe on there if you prefer to get the show that way. [TS]

00:12:29   I was surprised in the last pod cast I asked how many people listen to this podcast who don't watch your videos [TS]

00:12:40   or my videos. [TS]

00:12:41   Basically people who found the pod cast first and I kind of assumed that there would be nobody but there [TS]

00:12:50   when there was enough feedback both on Reddit and on Twitter from people who had found the podcast in other ways [TS]

00:12:56   and you know listen to the podcast [TS]

00:12:58   and only then afterwards worked out who we are because we had no introduction at all in the first episode really we [TS]

00:13:05   just we just went went straight ahead and I was. [TS]

00:13:09   I mean no offense to those people and I'm really grateful for them and I've said such nice things [TS]

00:13:15   but if you've never watched one of Gray's videos [TS]

00:13:17   and you've got no interest in my videos I'm amazed that someone would listen to a single word he said [TS]

00:13:23   but just a couple of idiots that was kind of my feeling as well as I can't believe anyone who doesn't follow the videos. [TS]

00:13:31   It's I think that goes in some ways to demonstrate the strength of the of the to do. [TS]

00:13:35   John Wright if you if you like the conversation between the two dudes because there's no other reason to listen I think [TS]

00:13:42   as we have clearly established we are not experts on very many of the things that we talk about so it's just it's just [TS]

00:13:48   a conversation between two guys. [TS]

00:13:49   So I am very very grateful as well to listeners who don't follow our our work on You Tube that's that's perfectly fine. [TS]

00:13:58   I was just completely surprised that anybody. [TS]

00:14:00   Would listen for more than just the briefest of moments [TS]

00:14:03   but as best I can work out they were there were two sources most of those people came from [TS]

00:14:08   and the first is an app for i think it for i Phone [TS]

00:14:11   and Android called Pocket casts which is a podcast manager for your phone [TS]

00:14:18   and they have a little featured section which you have been on the front of for a little while so thank you to whoever [TS]

00:14:24   is that pocket Cason has decided that we are worthy of being in the featured section I appreciate that very much. [TS]

00:14:31   You have a brown paper bag full of money coming your way. [TS]

00:14:34   Say thank you and all but it will put a link to their app in the descriptions of people want to check it out. [TS]

00:14:40   Go ahead if you don't use a park as a manager you should definitely check out there's a whole bunch of really great [TS]

00:14:45   ones pocket Catholic great to so go check them out. And the second one is apparently the Web site Digg has a weekly. [TS]

00:14:53   What's interesting and what's new around the Internet [TS]

00:14:56   and so some gracious editor at Digg include us on that list as well so thank you to that person [TS]

00:15:01   and those got to be the main places people found us there are a few messages [TS]

00:15:04   and this is just anecdotal from people who are saying that listening just because like a friend recommended it like [TS]

00:15:10   someone who probably does watch the videos and listen to the podcast [TS]

00:15:13   and I said to their friend Look I know you've done my videos and stuff but listen to this [TS]

00:15:17   and I've learned how to listen and enjoy it really warms my heart. [TS]

00:15:21   Stories I quite like the idea of that [TS]

00:15:23   but like just old fashioned someone just recommending something like tea with their mouth into your ears like that stew [TS]

00:15:31   happens it's so analog. But I agree with you and I'm on a on a similar note is one thing. [TS]

00:15:40   If we're talking about things that have warmed our hearts there's one thing I have definitely noticed in the comments [TS]

00:15:46   which catches my attention is the the reverse situation of that people who have said that they basically never listen [TS]

00:15:56   to podcasts they never really listened to audio in. [TS]

00:16:00   This form until they either found the pod cast from you or from my video my announcement video [TS]

00:16:06   and because because of that they have gone into pod cast so that they're collecting a whole bunch [TS]

00:16:12   and now they're listening to a lot of podcasts and they're finding it enjoyable feature of life [TS]

00:16:17   and that really warms my heart because I think we've talked about before I maybe even I said it [TS]

00:16:22   and one of the ads I can't remember but I feel that listening to audio in some form is just a huge part of my life. [TS]

00:16:33   I'm always listening to audiobooks or I'm listening to podcasts [TS]

00:16:37   and I know they're just big spaces in my life where I can't imagine not listening to something while I'm doing [TS]

00:16:44   something else that I really like that I feel that it adds a lot to my life and so I'm very very happy to hear [TS]

00:16:50   when other people say that they have they have been introduced to the podcast world even if they don't like our [TS]

00:16:55   particular pod cast and they just they move on from there and they find other other shows that they like. [TS]

00:17:00   That's I think that's just great I'm very happy listening to stuff it's not good now because it's that's that's how it [TS]

00:17:06   works if I would like people to just join the world of of things to listen to obviously I would prefer that they listen [TS]

00:17:12   to our show all the time as well. But there's no accounting for people particular preferences. [TS]

00:17:18   But anyway I've got just a bunch of messages like that I've seen a bunch of messages or people say Oh. [TS]

00:17:23   Thanks I'm subscribed to a bunch of podcasts now I never did before and I think that that's really great I hope. [TS]

00:17:28   I hope people enjoy this as this other dimension to life that can be added with listening to things like podcasts [TS]

00:17:35   and congratulations to anyone out there who managed to warm grace that is an accomplishment. [TS]

00:17:41   Now in the last forecast we talked a lot about your net neutrality video and other people's [TS]

00:17:47   and the net neutrality debate in general and you talked about the upcoming F.C.C. Ruling. [TS]

00:17:55   What happened the thing that was fidgeting about this was this is he does this. [TS]

00:18:00   This announcement and immediately afterward there's a bunch of news stories about the F.C.C. [TS]

00:18:06   Announcement and it was impossible to tell from these news stories what happened. [TS]

00:18:14   So I noticed a couple things that the let's just say that they were technical web sites who were covering this who [TS]

00:18:22   wrote articles that were basically content free [TS]

00:18:26   and then within three minutes of the announcement being finished on two major newspapers [TS]

00:18:34   and I think it was the New York Times [TS]

00:18:36   and The Washington Post they both immediately posted stories with big headlines that drew the opposite conclusions [TS]

00:18:43   about what happened. [TS]

00:18:44   So one of them had a story that net neutrality was defended forever [TS]

00:18:48   and the other one that net neutrality was just sunk forever for me. Again it reminded me of your coming out be first. [TS]

00:18:56   Being wrong but not for long. Wrong but not for long. OK Right now the sound even better. [TS]

00:19:01   But for you those newspapers and I was just thinking. Good job guys good job. That's some quality workmanship here. [TS]

00:19:08   Two major newspapers can't agree on the whatever it was. [TS]

00:19:12   But you're going to you're going to plow ahead anyway and publish your stories well done guys I really appreciate that. [TS]

00:19:17   Got to pay him looking to going to click. People keep people looking. [TS]

00:19:22   God forbid we try to figure out what someone actually said anyway what I thought it was kind of an interesting rollout [TS]

00:19:30   because I'm sitting here than trying to find out well what what really happened from this F.C.C. [TS]

00:19:36   Ruling what's going on. I did see a couple of your tweets you did seem confused. [TS]

00:19:40   Yes [TS]

00:19:40   and I pointed out the same thing I was just saying that there's just tons of headlines all over the place that aren't [TS]

00:19:45   aren't being clear and there was there was just this bizarro rollout where then the F.C.C. [TS]

00:19:52   Made public the notes that they had handed out to reporters in the room which didn't say anything clear at all [TS]

00:19:59   and then. [TS]

00:20:00   Finally they made an outline of the proposal available online which I read through [TS]

00:20:04   and did you glean anything from this. [TS]

00:20:06   Well the relevant fact is that nothing happened and there's a consultation period which is going to last for months. [TS]

00:20:14   Consultation period. Yes And then the actual law is going to go into effect or the or the actual F.C.C. [TS]

00:20:21   Proposal I should say is going to go into effect if he sees in this. [TS]

00:20:25   But anyway it's just kind of infuriating [TS]

00:20:29   and I thought it was just a great example of what happens with trying to report on a topic like this [TS]

00:20:36   and it was very interesting to see on Twitter people again on both sides just flipping out [TS]

00:20:41   and saying oh net neutrality is destroyed forever [TS]

00:20:44   and I was very consciously trying not to be one of those people because of the confusing headlines [TS]

00:20:49   and because of the confusing nature of what had actually occurred [TS]

00:20:52   and we don't actually know people is not clear in the slightest. [TS]

00:20:56   But what if this document says we're going to have four months of consultation. [TS]

00:21:01   What was being jumped on rightly or wrongly by people for them to draw any conclusions. [TS]

00:21:07   Was there some Was there some word or phrase somewhere that was setting off bells [TS]

00:21:12   or seizing people's worries now that this was a problem there was basically this hour long boring conference where [TS]

00:21:20   different members of the F.C.C. Board just said a whole bunch of stuff about their thoughts. [TS]

00:21:24   And then at the end made an announcement about what everybody was talking about their individual thought process [TS]

00:21:29   leading up to their decision their decision to make a consultation period basically. [TS]

00:21:36   So it was you could you could have gotten out of that almost anything you want because people on the F.C.C. [TS]

00:21:42   Board had contrary opinions the vote was not a unanimous vote so I think the story would be very anti climactic. [TS]

00:21:50   Yeah it was it was the most anticlimactic thing that could ever possibly happen [TS]

00:21:55   and I also I just want to have an enormous asterisk before. [TS]

00:22:00   For this statement but I I read the I don't know what the correct term for it is [TS]

00:22:04   but the formal outline for the actual F.C.C. [TS]

00:22:09   Proposal and from my reading of it I would came away from the conclusion of this doesn't this doesn't sound terrible. [TS]

00:22:17   I'm having a hard time seeing why everybody is completely flipping out it is both a a non-story. [TS]

00:22:23   Nothing has happened [TS]

00:22:25   and is least the way this outline is phrased for many things from my own perspective I would say it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:22:32   sound too bad there are a couple of parts where it does make me wonder a little bit [TS]

00:22:36   but is rapidly getting beyond my my skillset here [TS]

00:22:41   and I would have to rely on much more technical people to read the actual one hundred page real legal documents [TS]

00:22:50   and I can't even if I wanted to I couldn't read and understand that in any way. [TS]

00:22:54   Something or something is going to be written both in technical and legal terms [TS]

00:22:57   but the outline seemed kind of reasonable [TS]

00:22:59   but I think it's also because I have a very I have a very narrow perspective on net neutrality [TS]

00:23:06   and precisely what that means and I guess I will try to get it on the record here. [TS]

00:23:11   Engineers If you are talking about asynchronous peering agreements I am on board with this. [TS]

00:23:17   I have always been on board with this. [TS]

00:23:19   I understand why this is necessary I just intentionally chose not to talk about it in the video because it means [TS]

00:23:25   nothing to most people but my own. Some can put me on that list are you talking about till the are for F.C.C. [TS]

00:23:32   Nothing happened but we'll see you again in four months. [TS]

00:23:35   Another thing that we just touched on briefly when we spoke in the last podcast was about the name net neutrality. [TS]

00:23:43   Yes maybe not being a useful device in the kind of political discourse [TS]

00:23:50   and we sort of threw it out there for people to come up with other suggestions. [TS]

00:23:53   Have you seen or heard anything that you like the look of eyes. I saw some other ones but I was not. [TS]

00:24:00   Being nothing grabbed me I think in another way it's hot isn't it. [TS]

00:24:05   It's very hard I think to have a term that is both a meaningful and evocative. [TS]

00:24:14   I think you know I think choking and throttling and words like that are a step in the right direction [TS]

00:24:19   but someone I someone had a description that was something about talking about I S P choke holding networks [TS]

00:24:28   and it's the same thing as they are that's the closer [TS]

00:24:32   but it is then it still has to be something clumsy about it is who is doing the choke holding up under the ice. [TS]

00:24:41   I didn't see anything that really grabbed me. [TS]

00:24:44   I didn't think enough about give us some also on the come back to you and I when you're going to solve this for us. [TS]

00:24:50   Yeah well although even if I solve it who's to say you weren't stabbed me in the back like you have a free voting I [TS]

00:24:56   have just had a Jew in the back of stout you're going to do because I think we're free for you to have been born [TS]

00:25:04   and you even supporting it [TS]

00:25:05   and giving me like a pat on the back for this urban dictionary thing I And then last episode you know like in life [TS]

00:25:11   recruiting I think it should be the checking that is not exactly what I said pretty much what you said. [TS]

00:25:21   It's people people's minds can change it was as as as I thought it over more I lean more toward jacking to get heavier [TS]

00:25:32   when I realize that the jacking is a mistake for two reasons obviously why don't why don't you tell me what the reasons [TS]

00:25:39   are that Wells one is a sounds of rude it sounds like you know are you jacking I'm not pregnant pause there. [TS]

00:25:51   Well I dunno I don't need to spell it out. And second they only. Pertains to visual media. [TS]

00:26:02   What if someone free broach this podcast and as a podcast somewhere else there's no going on there. [TS]

00:26:09   That's already a Jack and I I will. Actually I don't think that the rudeness is necessarily a problem. [TS]

00:26:18   I think like an evocative word is not necessarily bad. [TS]

00:26:22   I do agree that it has the weakness that it is related only to visual media [TS]

00:26:27   but the biggest can tell you why I keep having a problem with with freebooting is the the way I saw people using it. [TS]

00:26:36   People almost always use it in terms of piracy private piracy as in someone downloaded a copy of a movie that they [TS]

00:26:46   didn't pay for and watched it and people were saying that they were freebooting it [TS]

00:26:50   and I think I love how you're talking about it as if it's become this like sensation. [TS]

00:26:56   Probably three people have ever used it but I spend most of my Reddit time now on my own Reddit which is strange [TS]

00:27:04   but that's where I see all the common people using it on Twitter I think it's great it's really funny [TS]

00:27:10   but I am aware that I rarely see it used in the context for which we were trying to define it which is somebody else. [TS]

00:27:18   Profiting off of of the work of a third party without permission as in the newspaper's view Jack. [TS]

00:27:25   Our videos that I almost know very famous had the jacket [TS]

00:27:30   and this is why in my mind because it was the prom with the English language in general that all words lose their [TS]

00:27:39   specificity over time and become increasingly meaningless versions of themselves [TS]

00:27:46   and I think you jacking freebooting has gone through this in just a very fast lane reading at the time it has taken it [TS]

00:27:55   to do I don't know ten podcasts. It's not a part of the page. [TS]

00:28:00   Qantas has never acted with your group in the world and we're already having to like one episode seriously [TS]

00:28:08   and it will be trying to come up with words to replace freebooting because it's become so I would have. [TS]

00:28:13   Yeah that's true that's true. [TS]

00:28:15   Taking of words and we had a we had a little talk about aluminium and aluminum last episode but what we did [TS]

00:28:24   and we also talked about the fact that you used to memorize the periodic table which is sounds like a longer discussion [TS]

00:28:30   for another day but we didn't talk about the fact we are going to get a new name on the periodic table. [TS]

00:28:35   Oh and another element one hundred seventeen has been confirmed now. [TS]

00:28:42   So it was a while it was a few years ago now that the Russians into open created a few atoms over and [TS]

00:28:49   but that's never good enough and now the the other nine people that do this that the Germans have also created. [TS]

00:28:59   So that counts as confirmation. And once you got confirmation that means you're going to cook up a name. [TS]

00:29:08   So name a new element who I'm trying to think what the most recent new names have been decided to sell it to the to the [TS]

00:29:16   teams get to decide Oh yeah it will be the tames I'm not sure if it's the Russians and Germans together [TS]

00:29:22   or the Russians get priority. [TS]

00:29:25   I'm not I would imagine the Russians would get priority but normally there's a few discoveries at once [TS]

00:29:31   and there's a bit of compromise but here we seem to have just one element. [TS]

00:29:35   So for example last time we had two new elements named and one was given an American and it was little more [TS]

00:29:42   and then we had Phil Roe v M which was named after the Russian chap. [TS]

00:29:47   So there was kind of a you know one for one deal but here we've got just one element. [TS]

00:29:52   Oh it's one thirty one thirteen is still unnamed. Yeah that's interesting. [TS]

00:30:00   Or it has whatever the and the placeholder name on and training him. [TS]

00:30:05   Yeah whatever it is it's interesting that they so they they confirm the existence of one seventeen four one thirteen [TS]

00:30:12   interesting also is it one one fifteen as well. Interesting interesting there's a few available still. [TS]

00:30:19   Service will be the next one I reckon. [TS]

00:30:22   Well I didn't do the video to appear in the videos [TS]

00:30:26   and the professor the professor who's in my videos all the time because we've gone through this cycle probably four [TS]

00:30:33   or five times now and every time I ask him what do you think it should be cold not that he has any. [TS]

00:30:37   Not that he has any sway and he's always favored planking. [TS]

00:30:40   He's always thought Max Planck the scientist should be honored and plain came as quite a nice name [TS]

00:30:45   but he seems to have abandoned that now because when I asked him this time he's going for fine mania. [TS]

00:30:52   I think that's how you pronounce it [TS]

00:30:53   and anyway naming after Richard Feynman I mean I mean very big fan of Richard Feynman I have always loved the career of [TS]

00:31:02   Richard Feynman as I would feel that I would want to back this because Fineman is just an just an amazing amazing [TS]

00:31:10   example of a human being but that that said I I don't know if I'm in. Made any real contributions on a chemical level. [TS]

00:31:23   It is primarily working in physics and it I think that the the periodic table should be biased towards chemists. [TS]

00:31:33   So I would say this is where my my knowledge is is just weak. [TS]

00:31:37   I'm not I'm not sure I could come up with a very long list of people who are not on the periodic table already who had [TS]

00:31:44   influential impact on the chemical field so I was curious about who gets to decide whether there's plenty of place [TS]

00:31:54   names on the periodic table but if if there are any. Any chemist scientists out there. [TS]

00:32:00   Who are unrepresented on the periodic table it feels like the I love I love Fineman [TS]

00:32:05   but they didn't feel like they should be ahead of him on the periodic table as a fundamental particle names. [TS]

00:32:12   OK we can have a refinement on next for the next particle that we come across that would be perfectly OK I'm in face [TS]

00:32:20   these creating these super heavy elements which they do by kind of smashing the atoms into each other to make like a [TS]

00:32:27   bigger one. It's become a real physics game now anyway. [TS]

00:32:30   Once you get down to this part of the periodic table and there's a lot of physicists you know [TS]

00:32:35   or people that bridge that physics chemistry divide being on it you know see pork I think bridges the divide you know [TS]

00:32:44   Einstein it has an element. Yeah I mean recently the Germans named one after Copernicus. [TS]

00:32:50   So I don't you know they're pros. That's the most recent one I see here. One one one one twelve. [TS]

00:32:58   Yeah that's why I was kind of curious to see who gets to decide but I well I think that I think the Russians [TS]

00:33:05   and the Germans will decide and I will give a name to the to I you pack. [TS]

00:33:12   Which I'm incorrectly name to last on the International Union of pure and applied chemistry. [TS]

00:33:19   Well I think I said I think I said applied [TS]

00:33:22   but they they usually I think pretty much rubber stamp the recommendations but if it's a group of Russians [TS]

00:33:29   and Germans I can't see them recommending a famous American scientist could I could I you pack veto this if there were [TS]

00:33:38   is that say the teen came up with some name that just everybody hated that Putin Putin another of those exactly what I [TS]

00:33:45   was thinking I was going to say it [TS]

00:33:47   but I was like Putin is that like I don't think I would I would never allow it to be named after a politician Charlie [TS]

00:33:55   said. I was but I'm wondering if yes they would have if they would have a pair of eight. I'm sure. [TS]

00:34:00   Yeah I think if I were if I was actually in charge of doing this I might try to try to scheme on the silliest possible [TS]

00:34:08   name that you could think. You Packwood would not pass on. [TS]

00:34:13   I think that would that would be an interesting an interesting game. [TS]

00:34:17   I just have a ridiculous name for an Elephant Man are you going to point out there are sources I could think of [TS]

00:34:23   something [TS]

00:34:23   but not try thinking off the top of my head I cannot I cannot think of anything good suggestions in the right place. [TS]

00:34:30   Yes just as in the book is the best one to mention. [TS]

00:34:33   Next week maybe maybe one last one not a follow up [TS]

00:34:39   and that was a pace of do you call a fan not a coder fan so I guess I guess we could call a fan out yes. [TS]

00:34:47   Here we sort of privately discussed this before that the word fan is as awkward connotations. [TS]

00:34:54   I think I have on the pod cast that the word fan a couple times [TS]

00:34:57   but I don't I don't like to use it I don't I don't think it's a good descriptor. But in the U.R.L. [TS]

00:35:02   The person use they themselves called it fan art so I think that it is fair to to gays [TS]

00:35:08   but it is a deviant ART user named kiddie ninja fish which is a code name in a cell God I love the internet I love that [TS]

00:35:16   that that can be a thing where you just look for getting into a fish that you are looking for and they put together [TS]

00:35:23   or this this person did a very good drawing a cartoon of of the two of us [TS]

00:35:31   and you want to try to describe it for our internet listeners. [TS]

00:35:34   Well it's obviously riffing on this little craze that has started of where where I'm depicted as a caveman [TS]

00:35:41   and you are a robot and people have been finding photos of cavemen [TS]

00:35:46   and robots together which in itself I found very amusing that this person is actually rather than sourcing an existing [TS]

00:35:53   picture has created their own and to be taking it to the next level. Yeah and it I guess it I would say it. [TS]

00:36:00   Maybe not a very you know a very handsome a but a pretty accurate measure sitting at a computer in my cave hunting [TS]

00:36:11   and pecking and with a little plane plane crash. [TS]

00:36:17   Own imitating above me as I noted to my interest in aviation and as sort of a robotic C.G. P. [TS]

00:36:24   Grey which I love in the background looking exasperated at my knee and so attempts at using a computer. [TS]

00:36:33   Yes Yes I'm looking very exasperated in the background it's a very Marvin The Paranoid Android kind of look just you [TS]

00:36:41   know hand on head exhausted by your hunting [TS]

00:36:44   and pecking as I would be if I had to watch in real life he was very very good. Yeah I can you draw a euphoria. [TS]

00:36:51   Do you have any artistic talent I have zero artistic talent on the terrible though I want to bring up this piece of fan [TS]

00:37:02   art to be so well done the person who has done it clearly has a lot of talent [TS]

00:37:07   and reshape that because I have no talent [TS]

00:37:11   and I understand even for something simple like that a lot of effort goes into it and so I thought it looks great. [TS]

00:37:18   Link in the show notes of people want to check it out and I don't know if you do and even I can give thumbs up [TS]

00:37:22   or likes or hearts or something I dunno I couldn't I want to leave them a comment you had to have an account [TS]

00:37:27   or something you know so I wanted to contact them and. [TS]

00:37:30   Naively I was thinking I'd have to get the original That's a really nice thing [TS]

00:37:34   and then I realized he's done on a computer has a nice and almost certainly he's done that on a on a tablet. [TS]

00:37:39   Oh yeah you you can have the original and so can everybody which is why internet is great [TS]

00:37:45   but yes so thank you very much to get into Phish really well done and it really made me smile I liked it so much. [TS]

00:37:53   Thank you Ira. Metaphor Melissa getting along are full of of looking at the timer now. [TS]

00:38:00   Now our follow up is now longer than the first episode was easily you and me chatting. We should just stop right here. [TS]

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00:40:07   follow up is catch up the steps now taking as much as we can. Segments this is what we do. I mean since we last spoke. [TS]

00:40:16   OS Like been to a whole other country. [TS]

00:40:18   This is mind blowing to me because you know you he went to America and you lean back [TS]

00:40:24   and from my perspective you came back before I even had a chance to miss you before you even realize that you were [TS]

00:40:30   probably because you sent me a message. [TS]

00:40:32   Brady's gun OK for a couple days and then it felt like the next time I paid attention. [TS]

00:40:36   You were already back I didn't even have time to send you a message about how and [TS]

00:40:40   when I was going through actual seven times a day as I think I went for that. [TS]

00:40:44   That's very fast on my time scale that this is a this is fast because I [TS]

00:40:50   when I went to California tours that's a fair distance is where were you. [TS]

00:40:54   Was is the same thing you were doing last time if I went to I went to. [TS]

00:40:58   Yeah the CLI again for some number of our business. [TS]

00:41:01   So much was going on and yes basically just across the bay from San Francisco. [TS]

00:41:05   See I'm getting into it now calling a pass right now and and then I went to San Diego and I met someone who's kind of. [TS]

00:41:17   Oh we had kind of hero in a way. [TS]

00:41:20   Oh yes that was a guy called Ron Graham who is the kind of divines invent discover use of a famous number code. [TS]

00:41:31   Graham's number. Oh right right. Yeah. [TS]

00:41:34   So for a long time it was sort of you know in the Guinness Book of Records as the biggest number ever used [TS]

00:41:40   and I mean it has since been you say it's a long story [TS]

00:41:44   but it's this whopping number that no one can comprehend I measure the number of video I can link to there is a [TS]

00:41:51   Graham's number number for video but there are also hopefully in the weeks to come will be even more amazing [TS]

00:41:57   when I spent a lot ites. [TS]

00:42:00   Ten I was with him and we only recorded like two or three videos [TS]

00:42:05   and the rest of the time we just need to tell me cool stories and tricks and taught me math stories [TS]

00:42:10   and went to dinner and at the end I was just thinking I wish I was recorded this whole thing it was incredible. [TS]

00:42:16   So there's really good is really good. [TS]

00:42:18   So anyway that's what I've been up to but you know I say in the notes I have paid watching movies. [TS]

00:42:28   Yes you you have traveled a third of the way around the world. I've been there and back again. [TS]

00:42:34   You have been there and back again [TS]

00:42:36   and what I can only imagine took the same amount of time he watched the first two hope it will be for you watch both of [TS]

00:42:44   them first. Yes Yes I watched. [TS]

00:42:47   It's an unexpected journey and the Desolation of Smaug I think is for them [TS]

00:42:51   and before I ask before I ask have any stars to give each of them so I know what to expect. [TS]

00:42:59   That that is actually there is actually a hard a hard question to answer. [TS]

00:43:04   Again I happen to have an opportunity where I had kind of a the whole evening free [TS]

00:43:10   and I thought you know what let me just do this let me just sit down and watch movies. [TS]

00:43:13   Again I don't know if you have this experience [TS]

00:43:15   but I have often found that if you have a low expectation of a movie it often improves your experience of watching the [TS]

00:43:24   movie and the girl versus the reverse is true. You have really have. [TS]

00:43:27   There's nothing worse than if everybody tells you something is the greatest thing ever and then you go to watch it [TS]

00:43:32   and I was fine but you have such high expectations. [TS]

00:43:36   I've only found one exception to that in my whole life which is the wire which I have been hearing about for years [TS]

00:43:41   and years with the greatest T.V. Show ever made and I finally sat down to watch it and it was the greatest T.V. [TS]

00:43:47   Show ever made because I got the story for another time. Yet though I have had four I mean a good few years now. [TS]

00:43:57   Low expectations of The Hobbit. [TS]

00:44:00   From what I heard about him stretching into three films [TS]

00:44:02   and everybody who's ever watched it who's talking about it including yourself came back with no reviews at best [TS]

00:44:12   and usually reviews about it being really boring and I said [TS]

00:44:17   when I was walking into this with incredibly incredibly low expectations I think there are very few movies that I have [TS]

00:44:27   on my own turned on to watch that I had lower expectations for than this movie [TS]

00:44:34   and you know because the sentence you have on the books and that yes I would I would say I'm a fairly large token fan. [TS]

00:44:42   So anyway so that these these expectations were low and remarkably the movies managed to Limbo below [TS]

00:44:52   and high on the floor a set expectation of The Hobbit. [TS]

00:44:57   I was expecting I was expecting just nothing and it was kind of worse than that and people's people's I don't know. [TS]

00:45:10   I felt there is when people tell you boy these movies feel really long. [TS]

00:45:15   There is there's no way in words someone can explain to you how long they really feel you have to experience this for [TS]

00:45:22   yourself. And even Brian's number it's it's unbelievable and. [TS]

00:45:31   I mean it was it was one of these things where right from the start I felt we were in trouble here where all that [TS]

00:45:42   saying of the first somewhere there and having like dinner and singing songs. [TS]

00:45:47   OK you've already skipped at least an hour into the movie. But let me let's go through a couple things here. [TS]

00:45:55   But first of all the first Hobbit movie opens up with the prologue. [TS]

00:46:00   Saying about what has happened with smog attacking that little bit was OK is fine that you know for a few minutes it's [TS]

00:46:10   like you know as well. [TS]

00:46:11   OK it was fine for a few minutes but I remember watching that scene [TS]

00:46:14   and even that I think I remember thinking if I was the editor here I would have cut this down in half. [TS]

00:46:20   I don't need all of these scenes of a dragon attacking the town. Yeah we get it we get this fire this smoke I get OK. [TS]

00:46:29   It then opens and this is this is where I really felt no where [TS]

00:46:33   and we're in trouble here in the same way that I remember when the well bring it up again. [TS]

00:46:38   The first Star Wars movie came out my father has always said he knew that we're in trouble right from the beginning [TS]

00:46:46   because that opening crawl makes reference to taxes and the Federation. [TS]

00:46:51   Ted said as soon as he read taxes in the opening sentence you thought oh this isn't this isn't the good side [TS]

00:46:58   and my father is a tax attorney who's I think [TS]

00:47:02   and this is also to do with code than let's say with his tax law he would expect that but no. [TS]

00:47:10   So if the Hobbit after they do this exciting prologue there is this scene between Bilbo and Frodo. [TS]

00:47:19   Which I'm watching [TS]

00:47:19   and it's a little I had such a hard time placing where in the timeline of The Hobbit is this scene supposed to be [TS]

00:47:27   taking place. [TS]

00:47:28   It's sort of Bilbo's writing in his book and he's saying oh Frodo I've told you many things about my trip [TS]

00:47:35   but I haven't told you the entire truth of it and Frodo sort of walks in and they have this little discussion [TS]

00:47:41   and they're clearly preparing for something [TS]

00:47:44   and I get a pretty big token fan I know the timeline I think it took me forever to figure out [TS]

00:47:50   when is this supposed to be happening. [TS]

00:47:52   And then oh right this is supposed to be happening on the same day in The Lord Of The Rings film this is Bilbo's [TS]

00:47:58   birthday party that they're preparing. [TS]

00:48:00   Four year and all [TS]

00:48:01   and already it's so confusing you're going to start with this thing that happens on the same day in the previous movies [TS]

00:48:10   but there's no need for this whole scene. [TS]

00:48:12   It doesn't need to be that you could just completely cut it [TS]

00:48:15   and nobody would notice if it was supposed to be like the novelty of Frodo being in the film again I think that was [TS]

00:48:22   because I remember I didn't know he was in the film again and [TS]

00:48:24   when I first saw him I was like uh oh he's back oh yeah and I mean that is to the for the sake of sake of that [TS]

00:48:30   and I'm sure that's the exact reason it's [TS]

00:48:32   and it is just so that that you have a lodge of wood as Frodo for a few moments but though I'm looking at the scene [TS]

00:48:38   and again immediately I mean maybe I was just a little bit slow here but I was confused about [TS]

00:48:43   when is it supposed to be taking place. Allies are with here and there. [TS]

00:48:46   There's this problem this is problem with Bilbo. [TS]

00:48:52   In Holmes' a character the actor who plays Bilbo I believe he has to be one hundred twenty years old. [TS]

00:48:59   Now he is very old and he is a noticeably older than he was in The Lord Of The Rings movies [TS]

00:49:06   and this is always a problem [TS]

00:49:07   when you're filming sequels prequels is always it's going to happen except a fundamental property of this character in [TS]

00:49:16   the stories is that he does not age that this is something that everybody has to comment on it's one of the opening [TS]

00:49:22   things in the movies they comment on the fact that Bilbo doesn't age. [TS]

00:49:26   It's it's just it's very distracting and especially in a scene where you just don't even need it. [TS]

00:49:31   This doesn't need to be here [TS]

00:49:32   and the same thing the same thing comes up with with legalists legalist the same actor Orlando Bloom. [TS]

00:49:40   I think he has his whole noticeably older that it's it's impossible to look past its you're so aware of it in every [TS]

00:49:51   scene because it's almost like I I don't know I don't know how old he was in the film the first movie's actors look it [TS]

00:49:56   up. But it's almost like you take someone who's in there. [TS]

00:50:00   Their early twenty's and then ten years later in their thirty's. [TS]

00:50:04   They're the same person but he looks like a real grown up man now. [TS]

00:50:09   Yeah and it is just so just use his face is wider broader you just a different person. Not a pretty boy anymore. [TS]

00:50:16   Yeah he's he is less selfish and it's the same thing. Oh you're a mortal OK or maybe not all the elves age in reverse. [TS]

00:50:26   Is that what happens here because the only thing that makes any sense I mean I just I don't I could go on forever about [TS]

00:50:33   how much I dislike movies. [TS]

00:50:34   Clearly clearly were not a fan sort of and obviously it sounds like you could pick [TS]

00:50:43   and then pick some places for quite some time and I'd be quite happy for you to do that [TS]

00:50:47   but if you were going to give an overarching problem you think it's curation as I suspected [TS]

00:50:53   and as I heard from other people it's just they're trying to turn something into a trilogy which cannot possibly be a [TS]

00:50:59   trilogy. [TS]

00:51:00   It should be two movies at most and two relatively short movies to begin with and there's three or [TS]

00:51:09   and I say that there's two kinds of issues where I see this pop up the first is the. [TS]

00:51:19   And I suppose this is the thing that that I could pick apart would be forever [TS]

00:51:23   but if there's one thing that I found I found personally offensive in the movie is the whole addition [TS]

00:51:32   and expansion of the character of Radagast. So Gandalf. OK So Gandalf is a wizard. Yeah. [TS]

00:51:40   And Radagast is in the movie they show him as this is nature wizard kind of hippie top one he's the guy in the in the [TS]

00:51:49   forest now that this drove me crazy because in the original Hobbit books there is there's none of this if you if you [TS]

00:51:57   seen these movies any scene where Ratigan. As in the movie. [TS]

00:52:00   None of this happens in the original books this is all brought in to extend the story line and to make it bigger [TS]

00:52:07   and it it doesn't it doesn't make any sense in the whole in the whole in this whole world is that this character is [TS]

00:52:15   supposed to be a wizard just like Gandalf he's supposed to be a powerful magical wizard [TS]

00:52:20   and our introduction scene of him shows him not being able to to fix a hedgehog who's sick. [TS]

00:52:26   It's simple if you're getting because in this world he's he's he like and off as a lesser angel. [TS]

00:52:32   They're basically like tiny tiny demi gods and they play him off as is this joke character [TS]

00:52:37   but so all of this stuff was brought in and all of these scenes with him everything you see Gandalf do going off [TS]

00:52:44   and his other adventures like none of this is in The Hobbit [TS]

00:52:47   and I feel that all of that that stuff is trying to make these movies into his big dramatic Oh the Necromancer is [TS]

00:52:55   coming in Gandalf and Radagast are dealing with this whole problem. And it just it doesn't it doesn't work. [TS]

00:53:02   It distracts from the main story of what is Bilbo and the Dwarves What are they up to. [TS]

00:53:09   What are they doing like that you have this central story that you can tell [TS]

00:53:13   but the movie keeps going all over the place and it's just got it so many things were just awful with it [TS]

00:53:21   but it was really just just stretching it out for four lengths and. [TS]

00:53:26   I think the other half I will stop I promise [TS]

00:53:30   but if I can give an example of that I have never seen a more boring fight scenes almost ever and that and the [TS]

00:53:40   and the one that I was waiting for that I thought oh I know it's I know something they're going to drag it out. [TS]

00:53:46   I was waiting for was the scene in the second movie where all the all the dwarves escape on the barrels in the in the [TS]

00:53:55   book this is two sentences this keep on the barrels there in the. [TS]

00:54:00   I'll talk to can see them because I was sharing that fight scene. [TS]

00:54:04   I want to go back in time and I swear it must be twenty minutes long and it is the most boring fight scene [TS]

00:54:12   and most implausible fighting I may have ever seen. [TS]

00:54:14   I mean it's it's it's slightly more implausible than the mutt fight in the Indiana Jones [TS]

00:54:21   and the Crystal Skull movie when he's doing sword fighting and there's a man that is everywhere [TS]

00:54:25   and in that kind of the other thing that kills me about that one is just that I don't I have [TS]

00:54:34   and I just you know I feel sometimes [TS]

00:54:37   but I want to be in a different life I think I would want to be a second script writer in Hollywood [TS]

00:54:44   and I couldn't write an initial script but I think I could do a lot to improve existing scripts. [TS]

00:54:50   You know you could newspaper subeditor you know you've got your board to count. [TS]

00:54:54   Yeah maybe [TS]

00:54:55   but I'm one of the things with that scene that just drove me crazy is is OK so you have these three E's three characters [TS]

00:55:01   that the dwarves who are in the river and then there are Orcs [TS]

00:55:05   and Elves fighting on either side Orcs are trying to kill the Dwarves and the elves are trying to kill the Orcs [TS]

00:55:11   and maybe the dwarves as well it's also unclear. [TS]

00:55:16   But you see the elves just taking these just amazing perfect shots every time [TS]

00:55:22   and killing orcs by the hundreds so it just gets completely boring. [TS]

00:55:26   But then as soon as the elves are trying to stop the Dwarves the main characters they're protected by this main [TS]

00:55:32   character magic in a movie that makes the elves suddenly incompetent every time they're trying to get hands on the [TS]

00:55:38   Dwarf and you can't have it both ways movies. Either the elves are amazing everything they do or they're not. [TS]

00:55:45   They can't just be amazing when they're fighting the Orcs but that scene just went on for so long [TS]

00:55:50   and was so boring I couldn't I couldn't believe it. [TS]

00:55:53   And the childishly ridiculous sort of maneuvers they were pulling off you know bouncing off this [TS]

00:55:58   and jumping on to that one. Yes yes. [TS]

00:56:00   Yes Yes That was the one shot that I really just rolled my eyes but I cannot believe this was before the fat dwarf. [TS]

00:56:07   He's in his barrel and he rolls rolls off on to the side of the river and knocks down a hundred Orcs [TS]

00:56:13   and then also there's weapons in consistently possibly an armed [TS]

00:56:18   but then he pops out of the the barrel with two axes I mean I guess he got them from the Orcs and chopped down [TS]

00:56:23   or all the Orcs. [TS]

00:56:24   This is the tiniest thing that I'm about to say but this I can't believe about to nitpick on this [TS]

00:56:29   but it just bothers me so much. So he's on the he's on the side of the river in his little barrel. [TS]

00:56:35   He breaks open the barrel and he's fighting all of these orcs [TS]

00:56:38   and then he jumps back into the river into a waiting open barrel which is like that. [TS]

00:56:47   That just bothered me because they clearly showed there was one barrel per dwarf that dwarf just broke his barrel he [TS]

00:56:53   jumped back into the river into a waiting open barrel. [TS]

00:56:56   Where did that additional bank you know I could go on I could go on forever. [TS]

00:57:02   You know if you know the worst as you know the worst is I know I'm going to watch the next movie. Now that I've seen. [TS]

00:57:07   Now that I've seen do you have it. It's just like Star Wars like well I guess we have to get this over with. [TS]

00:57:13   Yeah so baby baby will have an episode where I can complain about everything even more when we do the third one. [TS]

00:57:19   But it was just it was more awful than I ever imagined it could have been. [TS]

00:57:25   So we've been going so long that we should probably leave behind a few other things and crack on to the main part. [TS]

00:57:32   If you are working in any kind of creative field how original Does your work need to be [TS]

00:57:43   or how much can influences influence you. How much do you need to do your own thing. So I think it's an interesting. [TS]

00:57:54   I'm not I'm not sure given the nature of your your work if you think about that as much as I do but his death. [TS]

00:58:00   Only something that's on my mind a lot is worrying about that or or [TS]

00:58:05   or thinking about that I don't know if you think about it much for what you do. [TS]

00:58:08   Yeah like yeah I guess so I mean do you worry do you worry that somebody else if somebody else already has a gram is [TS]

00:58:17   number video I mean does it cross your mind to worry about doing a video on Graham's number if somebody else already [TS]

00:58:22   has. I mean the thing that you've got to come to realize is that there's almost nothing is new. [TS]

00:58:31   This is like it's you know it's so rare that you would do something that no one has done before because we are like [TS]

00:58:42   explorers or discovers So it's not like we're going to skive a new element [TS]

00:58:47   or a new country ourselves we can only talk about what other people have done or what exists in the world. [TS]

00:58:55   And there's just so much stuff not you know not just on You Tube You know so many books have been written and T.V. [TS]

00:59:01   Shows and movies made and to do something that is completely original in that respect is quite rare. [TS]

00:59:09   You can [TS]

00:59:10   and you can only bring original treatments original interpretations you know fresh perspectives so a little clever [TS]

00:59:22   twists to things that it's very rare that you're going to. [TS]

00:59:26   Say something or do something [TS]

00:59:28   or make something that is entirely unique in some ways I mean you know you try to strive to you know I don't know is [TS]

00:59:42   that what you meant you mean originality of like Team image narrative style or originality of content. [TS]

00:59:50   Well I think it's it's sort of both and I think my I think my start in You Tube is is an interesting example. [TS]

01:00:00   This and so there's there's three things that are that came together for my my initial You Tube career [TS]

01:00:12   and it's you brought up the I think before it's a certain kind of I don't say artistic style [TS]

01:00:18   but a certain kind of way that I draw things a particular topic [TS]

01:00:22   and a particular influence kind of was the beginning of of my own You Tube career so this is your U.K. [TS]

01:00:30   Video you can actually like a video is the start of this this video [TS]

01:00:34   and I don't want to get into the like the why of this video let's just put that aside for the time being [TS]

01:00:40   but kind of how did it how did it come into being [TS]

01:00:43   and I would say that I was very influenced by one particular creator on the Internet that that made me start to think [TS]

01:00:53   Oh. [TS]

01:00:55   I might be able to put together some kind a very simply animated video that would still be good [TS]

01:01:04   and that creator is someone I still follow today and he's got C. [TS]

01:01:08   Who does zero punctuation which is a series of very fast talking much faster talking than me. [TS]

01:01:17   Video game previews for those who haven't seen his his videos he has kind of a not a stick figure [TS]

01:01:23   but a little blocky representation of himself. [TS]

01:01:27   The videos are almost always done just on a yellow background [TS]

01:01:31   and the animations are so simple he uses the same couple stock images every time to represent a few things. [TS]

01:01:41   If you watched a lot of his videos you can almost always recognize eighty percent of the things that you're going to [TS]

01:01:46   see because he's used them before he's just recombining them in different ways [TS]

01:01:50   but I think that there they are an excellent combination of someone with something that's interesting to say is a great. [TS]

01:02:00   Editorial voice again a bit like Red Letter media he's going to be divisive. [TS]

01:02:05   Some people will not like his presentation. [TS]

01:02:09   And a good visual style and I had been watching him for a little while [TS]

01:02:14   and I will say that I was very much influenced by him just by realizing oh I've always thought that animation would [TS]

01:02:21   require an enormous amount of drawing skills [TS]

01:02:25   and familiarity with digital animation which is something I didn't have any familiarity with in the slightest. [TS]

01:02:32   But I could see how he's These are basically just just some drawings. [TS]

01:02:37   These are basically just a couple of screen shots that are played one after another where things change in a very basic [TS]

01:02:43   way. And so that was a big influence. [TS]

01:02:48   And then I had had a little bit of a visual style that I've been developing for years as a teacher. [TS]

01:02:54   Through my own stuff and that was somewhat original [TS]

01:02:59   and I had this topic idea which was to do the United Kingdom versus England thing [TS]

01:03:03   and the the question about originality you think is very interesting here because I searched around on youtube for [TS]

01:03:11   other videos that had done this I was looking to see how anybody covered this topic before [TS]

01:03:16   and the answer was plenty of people had covered this topic before I was by no means the first person to do a video on [TS]

01:03:23   youtube about United Kingdom England and Great Britain. [TS]

01:03:27   And so my whole career started off in covering a topic that was not original by any means but I look at those videos [TS]

01:03:36   and I thought Oh I think I think I might be able to do a different kind of spin on the ins and I [TS]

01:03:41   and I thought that there were there were things that I didn't like about those other videos [TS]

01:03:45   and so I thought I could make my own that I would at least think was better. [TS]

01:03:50   But ever since that even though I know my my very first video started off this way. [TS]

01:03:56   I still I still worry about originality and it's partly big. Because I see sometimes. [TS]

01:04:02   Commenters expect originality or [TS]

01:04:06   when I see people do sometimes as on if somebody else covers a topic later that I have covered. [TS]

01:04:12   People will leave comments on the video saying that that that person has ripped me off [TS]

01:04:15   and I think it's always terribly unfair. [TS]

01:04:19   If that's not the case at all [TS]

01:04:21   but people tend to think that whatever whatever thing they saw first was the original thing [TS]

01:04:27   and then somebody else came along and just rip somebody else's work off [TS]

01:04:31   and so I guess part of the reason why I wanted to talk about this is I think you should people shouldn't leave these [TS]

01:04:38   kinds of comments saying that oh somebody ripped me off or in the reverse which is bound to happen sooner [TS]

01:04:44   or later someone saying that I ripped somebody else's video off his car I mean that the place I see that the most is [TS]

01:04:50   probably with my on my math videos the number of videos where a lot of people leave comments saying quote After [TS]

01:04:56   something Mark VI Hatch already done this you know and it'll be something that kind of like you know Euler [TS]

01:05:02   or someone discovered. And I'm sometimes tempted to write what I actually do. [TS]

01:05:08   People have been doing it for a few hundred years before most of all why I did it [TS]

01:05:12   and usually And usually I haven't I wasn't even aware she's done you know because right I haven't seen all her videos [TS]

01:05:18   because I started following her more recently but and it's a bit frustrating. [TS]

01:05:24   Well I don't I say used to be frustrating now I'm just like whatever [TS]

01:05:28   when someone says this is already there's already a video about this. [TS]

01:05:32   It's like Yeah that probably is what's you know what's your point. [TS]

01:05:37   Well it's a it's a strange it's a strange thing to deal with and nobody owns the facts [TS]

01:05:44   and is as you said before we are not we are not original researchers I didn't I didn't go out [TS]

01:05:52   and discover the difference between the United Kingdom in England that was well known this is well trodden area before [TS]

01:05:58   I came along and did this. [TS]

01:06:00   Like you said that your mathematical form is nobody owns the facts if you if anyone is doing an educational video on [TS]

01:06:06   any topic [TS]

01:06:08   and presuming that they are not an original researcher They are building upon the work of somebody else a by by that [TS]

01:06:13   way something is not. [TS]

01:06:17   These kinds of things can't be original [TS]

01:06:20   and it was with my own videos it's it's it's interesting to say like it's not difficult to predict topics that I might [TS]

01:06:29   cover in the future. If you watch my videos. [TS]

01:06:33   But that doesn't mean I own those topics [TS]

01:06:36   and it doesn't it doesn't mean that somebody is stealing an idea from me if they cover those topics. [TS]

01:06:41   These things are just out in the world there are topics that people can talk about [TS]

01:06:45   and you can end up having videos that cover the same thing in slightly different ways [TS]

01:06:50   and kind of going back to the zero punctuation Yahtzee example and thinking about. [TS]

01:06:56   I get a lot of questions from people who who want to know about how to start on You Tube [TS]

01:07:00   and I sometimes sometimes people send me clips of their early stuff I think I'm trying to get a start on You Tube you [TS]

01:07:08   know what do you think and what I often see and you watch that stuff. If people catch me in the right mood I do. [TS]

01:07:17   I do watch those things move anyway. [TS]

01:07:21   Well here's the thing I have almost I have almost never responded because it's sometimes it's hard to know how to [TS]

01:07:30   respond in a way that is helpful and I'll often come across people who I think are doing just great on their own. [TS]

01:07:41   It's it's very strange to see stuff that that people might be having at the start of a career. [TS]

01:07:48   But it's interesting because I think one of the things that strikes me is you almost universally a bad sign is someone [TS]

01:07:59   is. Trying to be another person. [TS]

01:08:05   See a video and say for example this person is trying to be obviously a well known blogger for example there. [TS]

01:08:13   They're using the same style or they're using the same language or I see this with a cow. [TS]

01:08:20   I don't I don't want to be specific here [TS]

01:08:23   but I see some videos where people are clearly down to lots of the details mimicking the style of somebody else. [TS]

01:08:32   Yeah I think something they say is like a formula for success. [TS]

01:08:36   That's a good way to put it the thing is big because I think the success of that stuff can give you an initial boost. [TS]

01:08:45   But my piece of advice is that if you really want a long term career in in the arts in general I don't care if it's if [TS]

01:08:52   it's writing or making videos you really do have to find your own style [TS]

01:09:00   and I was trying to I was trying to trace it down earlier today [TS]

01:09:04   but the some of the some quote that I really liked the the world advice to starting writers [TS]

01:09:11   and it's something like the world doesn't need another Stephen King. You shouldn't go out and try to be Stephen King. [TS]

01:09:18   We already have a Stephen King [TS]

01:09:19   and he's very good at being Stephen King he's going to be better at being Stephen King than you will ever be at being [TS]

01:09:25   Stephen King. [TS]

01:09:26   Now you can write horror novels but you should develop your own style [TS]

01:09:32   and your horror novels can even cover the same kinds of things in Stephen King novels do because horror novel like [TS]

01:09:38   everything else they have similar themes authors are naturally going to come across the same kinds of stuff. [TS]

01:09:44   But you need to have your own style to it and I think I think a couple of exactly call them hard but [TS]

01:09:51   but Neil Gaiman's for example has written a couple of books which are sort of scary books [TS]

01:09:56   and he has such a different style but you do the math. [TS]

01:10:00   When Steven King writing that book I could imagine you know gay men writing a Stephen King book [TS]

01:10:04   but they would be such different experiences because of who those people are [TS]

01:10:07   and I think that's that's one of the things that I I see very often that is is I think is not necessarily a good sign [TS]

01:10:15   for long term career for people starting out and so the reason I want to bring up as your punctuation and IATSE [TS]

01:10:22   and my own influence in that is because I was looking at his animation style and I think if people watch videos [TS]

01:10:30   and they watch mine I think you can see some some influence that he's had on me in the way I animate things. [TS]

01:10:37   But the important thing is I didn't watch his videos [TS]

01:10:40   and then try to also become a fast talking videogame reviewer that I might have gotten some some initial attention if I [TS]

01:10:50   had done something like that but it would be just death for a long term career. [TS]

01:10:55   You have to you have to develop your own your own style I think in to to do things in the long run it would strike me [TS]

01:11:01   as a very hollow existence a very hollow victory like say I completely ripped off the Minute Physics style of star [TS]

01:11:10   or something like that and made videos just like just like them and then I got. [TS]

01:11:15   Five million subscribers and and a fortune I stew. I wouldn't enjoy a like. [TS]

01:11:22   I don't think I would enjoy work [TS]

01:11:24   and enjoying what's really important to something very satisfying about doing things doing your thing your way. [TS]

01:11:30   But these people that just knock things off [TS]

01:11:34   and sort of live their lives by copying hon I guess that makes them money OK [TS]

01:11:44   but it would just seem really an unfair failing [TS]

01:11:48   but I do also I think there is a lot to be said by being positively influenced what you talk about like you say like a [TS]

01:11:55   camera shop or a way of doing something and you know you'll always be influenced by that. [TS]

01:12:00   I think oh I really like how that thing looked and it can feed into what you do [TS]

01:12:04   but if you're just going to say oh I'm going to make a you know if the way you would describe your channel would be [TS]

01:12:11   it's kind of like a C.D.P. [TS]

01:12:12   Gray [TS]

01:12:12   but you know I think you're already on a loser if you if the way you describe what you're doing is by reference directly [TS]

01:12:19   referencing someone else in that way in that in the whole how all of Hollywood movies are pitched so it's it may take [TS]

01:12:29   Jurassic Park I'm going to cross that with Love Actually. [TS]

01:12:33   They pitch every single movie and yeah that's the way that works. [TS]

01:12:36   I don't like and I don't I don't I I'm sure I've been guilty of it because it's a helpful way to sell things [TS]

01:12:42   and make people understand things but I don't think I could describe anything I do in that way. [TS]

01:12:51   Like if you said to me I described one of your projects in those terms. [TS]

01:12:57   Tonight doesn't immediately spring to my mind and it doesn't spring to mind for a fee or for you [TS]

01:13:03   or for a lot of the other guys and gals we know who are successful like they are just their own thing. [TS]

01:13:08   Like I could describe what it is like if you said to me just drive a minute physics for example by you know by Henry [TS]

01:13:16   right. Then you could say. [TS]

01:13:22   You know it stick figures and this happens and that happens and how he does it [TS]

01:13:25   but you couldn't say it's you know it's this meets this close kind of this and it's the same thing a little bit [TS]

01:13:33   but there's there's been subsequent channels that you could say it's kind of like Minute Physics but with color [TS]

01:13:37   or it's like Minute Physics [TS]

01:13:38   but you know the thing that yeah it's funny bring up you bring up Henry because I thought I saw he's got what he's got [TS]

01:13:49   a very minute style now has Yeah I mean I mean he didn't invent doing that star himself but you know [TS]

01:13:54   and he'd be the first to say that but in this kind of field he's become very minute now. I saw a T.V. [TS]

01:14:01   Commercial that I thought whoever made that T.V. [TS]

01:14:06   Commercial became what it was for that they had to have have intentionally made it as close to a Minute Physics video [TS]

01:14:13   as possible there are a lot of little details about Henry's work that if you pay attention to them you can notice about [TS]

01:14:20   particular ways things are done a few things very consciously but like how the hand is represented on the video [TS]

01:14:26   and I want something I thought man there's no way that person didn't. [TS]

01:14:30   Didn't you have the advertising agency didn't just say oh we're going to we're going to run with this because it's a [TS]

01:14:36   it's a cool it's a cool style that it's a it's a strange it's a strange it's a strange world to be in [TS]

01:14:44   and again it is it's it's where things get so hard with with influences and you know where do you draw the line [TS]

01:14:51   and I think that's where everybody who works in this field worries about that to some extent I think you worry about [TS]

01:14:58   maybe mimicking somebody else too much it is just becoming your own thing. [TS]

01:15:03   I don't know how do you say when it goes the other way when you are mimicked or you are the you have the inspiration [TS]

01:15:10   or the influence does that give you flattered by that. Do you sometimes feel a bit offended by it. [TS]

01:15:16   Where do you stand on that side of things. It's it's tricky and that's the one. [TS]

01:15:24   OK So the longer I have been the longer I have been doing you too professionally the less I have actually been watching [TS]

01:15:34   You Tube videos of that as a general statement. [TS]

01:15:37   That's a very conscious decision on my part is I used to watch just a ton of You Tube [TS]

01:15:43   and now I almost never really watch youtube unless it's one of the conferences where we're getting together [TS]

01:15:49   and then I've been to watch everybody's stuff to see what everybody's been up to in the last year [TS]

01:15:54   and watched all at once [TS]

01:15:55   and then that's also great because it's fresh on my mind so I can talk to everybody about what they like. [TS]

01:16:00   Greatest remembers oh my video. [TS]

01:16:01   So yeah he's awesome [TS]

01:16:02   but I just want you know the night before I think I think I'm the last one I didn't quite work my way through Derek's [TS]

01:16:10   back catalog. [TS]

01:16:11   I think Eric was irritated because I was coming up short for very task only because I hadn't I hadn't Iran at a time I [TS]

01:16:19   didn't think I had to be at home. But so this is. [TS]

01:16:26   So I'm going to a roundabout answer to your question which is I partly do that because I don't kind of want to be [TS]

01:16:34   influenced by other people's stuff. [TS]

01:16:37   I totally relate to I say that all the time and people think I'm crazy [TS]

01:16:41   but I think it's a really I do it so I don't want to be influenced to know other people are doing in some ways [TS]

01:16:48   and people tell me that's crazy [TS]

01:16:49   and if there's if there is a topic that I know I'm very well may be covering at some point in the future I will never [TS]

01:16:56   watch anybody's video if they cover that same thing. [TS]

01:17:00   Because the problem is I'll get I'll give it up because this is probably video I'm not going to make [TS]

01:17:06   but for a while I was thinking about doing a video about capitalism versus communism versus socialism [TS]

01:17:12   and around the time I was thinking of doing it. [TS]

01:17:15   Crash course with John Green did a video on capitalism communism and socialism [TS]

01:17:20   and I am not going to watch this video and the reason I cannot watch that video is because. [TS]

01:17:27   The writers and johns are going to come up with some clever little way to describe something or some funny little joke. [TS]

01:17:35   And the problem is if I were to ever try to write my own video it's impossible to get that out of your mind. [TS]

01:17:42   If if somebody has has thought of a clever way to describe something you can't not hear that in your own mind. [TS]

01:17:50   So if my own videos are going to have anything remotely unique in them it's going to be sometimes the way I describe [TS]

01:17:57   things or the way I put things together. [TS]

01:18:00   And so I have to preserve that and not watch videos on on things that I may cover [TS]

01:18:07   and an even more extreme example I happen to notice that Hank on a crash course recently started a crash course [TS]

01:18:15   psychology. [TS]

01:18:18   And there is a topic that I'm working on now which is vaguely psychology related [TS]

01:18:25   and I don't even want to know what topics crash course psychology has covered because even if if I know that they've [TS]

01:18:33   they've touched on things that are similar to to what I might work on I know that that will inhibit me from wanting to [TS]

01:18:38   work on it it will feel like oh the Hanks' already done it and there's no there's no point in me doing that. [TS]

01:18:44   Even though as I said at the beginning I feel the same feeling of well none of us own the facts [TS]

01:18:49   and all of us are covering stuff that people may cover before and you know cover again in the future [TS]

01:18:55   and that's that's fine what matters is a person's individual take on it. [TS]

01:18:59   But I do I am aware of constraining my You Tube intake and. [TS]

01:19:07   That's it's a little bit that can be a little bit weird professionally sometimes. [TS]

01:19:11   But to answer your original question about what happens when people send me videos that are much like my videos and [TS]

01:19:19   when I first started out in the first year I would watch everything particularly things that that looked like my own. [TS]

01:19:27   I wanted to see what people were doing. [TS]

01:19:30   But I would say in the last year as as I've also cut down my You Tube In general I especially don't want to see the [TS]

01:19:38   videos that are like my own videos because it's just I it's a similar kind of thing it's like if somebody is doing [TS]

01:19:49   something in a similar style I don't want to see at all what twists they put on it [TS]

01:19:55   or how they've done it slightly differently because you can't help but be. [TS]

01:20:00   Influenced or affected by that kind of stuff if you see it so [TS]

01:20:04   but it is those influences not be positive sometimes could you know like like if I say someone who does something [TS]

01:20:10   really clever with a camera angle or a bit of lens flare or something [TS]

01:20:13   and I think oh that's a nice thing I should try and incorporate that one day [TS]

01:20:17   and maybe a year later it was appearing from time to time that cannot improve improve what you're doing take out of [TS]

01:20:25   that and that can but what I'm talking about in particular people on Twitter. [TS]

01:20:28   Well straight up send me a link that says something like this video looks exactly like a C.D.P. [TS]

01:20:33   Great video and then they say I don't click on those links I don't want to see those in particular [TS]

01:20:38   but what you're talking about Gen Gen influences. Oh that that's completely true and that happens to me all the time. [TS]

01:20:45   I'm really aware of when I'm watching for example documentaries or let's say informational T.V. Programs. [TS]

01:20:54   I can't help but be just hyper aware of how either the editor [TS]

01:21:00   or the person on camera is choosing to talk about whatever information they're talking about how they're choosing to [TS]

01:21:07   walk through an explanation and most that I'm very aware of [TS]

01:21:14   and I'm keenly paying attention to oh this person does a really good job of talking through a complicated explanation [TS]

01:21:20   or what is honestly more helpful is oh this person does a terrible job of walking through this explanation. [TS]

01:21:26   Why is it bad. [TS]

01:21:28   What has made this a bad explanation and that kind of stuff can definitely filter through [TS]

01:21:33   and can show up in later videos [TS]

01:21:35   but that's a whole different thing from seeing videos that that look that looks just like my own videos although I do [TS]

01:21:46   not [TS]

01:21:46   and I want to find one find one example which I think is is is an interesting example hold on a missing moon moon month. [TS]

01:21:58   Well pull it up. I heard just saps Yeah Kurt Curtis KIRK Except I don't know exactly. [TS]

01:22:14   You may have seen some of their videos. [TS]

01:22:15   They're very slickly animated videos and they're covering sort of science topics for the for the most part [TS]

01:22:25   and I think this is a great example of someone who's come along. [TS]

01:22:30   They're doing very well they're currently at one hundred twenty thousand subscribers [TS]

01:22:36   and I think they're a great example of someone who is entering the educational space is covering you know topics that [TS]

01:22:46   people have covered before. [TS]

01:22:48   But it has a real style and and the style is definitely a very very slick very visual very animated style [TS]

01:22:58   and you can see that this person's been influenced by the pre-existing You Tube channels [TS]

01:23:04   and he has other channels listed in the sidebar like Crash Course is listed I'm listed there there's the brains group [TS]

01:23:10   with family they're all listed there so they're like this person obviously knew that they exist. [TS]

01:23:14   But it's it's just such a good example of of finding your own way [TS]

01:23:20   and so I think a slightly awkward name aside I expect to see the channel be growing in the future so I put it in the in [TS]

01:23:28   the in the show notes. [TS]

01:23:30   It sounds like after advice to be telling people to be original like that seems like the most natural thing in the [TS]

01:23:37   world today. [TS]

01:23:38   Do you think people will shy from it because they don't have original ideas or they don't have the courage [TS]

01:23:48   and the confidence in their ideas or because they think knocking something off is more tried and tested [TS]

01:23:54   and therefore more likely to be successful. What stymies originality. [TS]

01:24:01   It's not our products and trying to parse your question I think it's partly I'm not I'm not sure. [TS]

01:24:13   I love it when you say you're passing my question makes you sense I reporting. [TS]

01:24:18   Well no I really I really need you to rephrase that question again because I'm not quite sure what you're going for [TS]

01:24:24   their originality of ideas or originality of style or why what stymies originality. [TS]

01:24:30   When Joe Blow says I'm going to start a You Tube channel Why am I doing something original you kind of need to start by [TS]

01:24:38   mimicking stuff that you've seen it's very it's very hard to just sit down [TS]

01:24:42   and create from whole cloth something brand new. [TS]

01:24:47   Everybody starts start out by mimicking other stuff [TS]

01:24:51   and in the in a past life I kind of I kind of wanted to be a non fiction writer [TS]

01:24:58   and I definitely very consciously mimic the style of some authors that I liked [TS]

01:25:03   but that's that's why there's this quote about in the world doesn't need another Stephen King It already has a Stephen [TS]

01:25:10   King. [TS]

01:25:12   That really struck home with me [TS]

01:25:15   and it's like it's OK to have this in this initial period where you're just trying stuff out [TS]

01:25:21   and so you're trying to find your voice [TS]

01:25:24   but you really should find your own voice in your own style as fast as possible and do things on your own [TS]

01:25:31   but it's it's it's not possible for someone to to make something that's just completely brand new [TS]

01:25:40   and original just right from the start that's quite a tall order [TS]

01:25:47   and even even even just being original at all is is quite tricky I was there's a podcast I like it's almost a time it [TS]

01:25:56   was so good I don't want to listen to it. They cracked a pod cast I don't know if you listen to this one or not. [TS]

01:26:04   It would you know Cracked dot com Yes it's that Web site [TS]

01:26:08   and they have a bunch of their their writers sometimes get together [TS]

01:26:12   and they're basically they're basically doing audio versions of a bunch of the articles they've written on the site. [TS]

01:26:18   Yeah but I really like hearing about the I really like hearing the authors talk about it [TS]

01:26:23   and just just mention a whole bunch of other stuff. [TS]

01:26:25   I think it's a really good example of how you don't need to have brand new stuff all the time. [TS]

01:26:30   I am happy to listen to those authors to talk about their articles for an hour. [TS]

01:26:35   But they did they did want to pursue it recently where they were talking about submissions to their Web site this is an [TS]

01:26:42   incidental thing they mention [TS]

01:26:43   but how they're just always amazed by how many times they will get basically the exact same article [TS]

01:26:52   or video skit posted to them by people who are on the other side of the country [TS]

01:26:57   but they get their submissions on the same day. [TS]

01:27:01   Even even though these individual groups are thinking that they are being original in the mass of humanity it's hard to [TS]

01:27:09   actually be original to come up with an original thought. [TS]

01:27:13   And that this whole episode was in the broader context of all kinds of things that. [TS]

01:27:20   Just are remarkably similar so they were going through examples like how how many books are exactly like Harry Potter [TS]

01:27:26   from all of these lawsuits that J.K. Rowling had at the time. [TS]

01:27:30   Because people say I wrote a book and it too also has a twelve year old wizard who goes to wizarding school [TS]

01:27:35   and he has a scar on his head and he has black hair and he has a pet owl [TS]

01:27:39   and they go through all the interesting reasons talking about why no matter how original you think you are if you're [TS]

01:27:46   going to write a story about wizards there are some story decisions that are going to lead everybody into the same [TS]

01:27:54   conclusions How old is the boy need to be. [TS]

01:27:56   What do you need to make him look like if you're going to be an antihero and so. [TS]

01:28:00   The very notion of it being original is is not necessarily the case in the beginning [TS]

01:28:05   and a really good day today example of that that you sometimes say is when someone very popular tweets something [TS]

01:28:13   or does something on social media and a funny little line or come back a witty remark comes into your head [TS]

01:28:19   and you think who should I post and response. [TS]

01:28:21   How within a minute or so twenty other people will have written the exact same thing. Yes Yes And you're so busy. [TS]

01:28:30   Yeah or it's it that I see the same thing on Twitter. I'll say something. [TS]

01:28:35   It's weird to get back the same joke sometimes four or five people within a very short period of time [TS]

01:28:42   and they're only one of them sorry. So yeah it's I think that can just be interesting just to see that. [TS]

01:28:56   Where or there are certain constraints that push people towards certain things. [TS]

01:29:01   Just one more example that I was really aware of is [TS]

01:29:05   when I made my video a while back on the no see bow the one that starts with the fake headache in the beginning is the [TS]

01:29:13   opposite of the placebo effect. [TS]

01:29:14   Yeah [TS]

01:29:15   when I was doing research for that I came across a whole bunch of just startles talking about the new CBOE effects just [TS]

01:29:22   in the popular press. An article in The New Yorker or or whatever. [TS]

01:29:27   And the thing that really struck me with that was almost every one of those articles about the Cebu effect sounded [TS]

01:29:34   exactly the same. [TS]

01:29:36   All of those authors made the same structural decisions about OK we're going to start off with a paragraph that gives [TS]

01:29:44   an example about how the placebo effect works. OK paragraph two. [TS]

01:29:48   We're going to reverse that and introduce them to it [TS]

01:29:52   and it was it was it was remarkable how similar all of these articles sound that you would have assumed they were all [TS]

01:29:58   written by the same person. Many of them covering the same examples going into the same stuff. [TS]

01:30:03   But these these articles were sometimes decades apart in different newspapers written by different people. [TS]

01:30:10   And one of the things was I was looking at my original script [TS]

01:30:14   and realizing I had done the exact same thing with my outlines and that's an example of sometimes [TS]

01:30:18   when you're explaining something there's a very natural progression for how you're supposed to explain something [TS]

01:30:25   and I think it can sometimes help with originality to fight against that intentionally [TS]

01:30:32   and in my new video I set myself a challenge which was to not be allowed to use the word placebo in that video. [TS]

01:30:41   And so that structurally made me write it in a different way that it couldn't follow the same kind of script that other [TS]

01:30:48   other people did. But it's interesting just to see sometimes that that that that happened. Have you. [TS]

01:30:56   Have you reached a point where you don't need to be original anymore because you've kind of got a thing like if you [TS]

01:31:01   were to do something really original [TS]

01:31:02   and different it would really throw I think that's actually that's that's something I worry about. [TS]

01:31:09   Like if you were to do C.D.P. Greatest song. [TS]

01:31:12   Yeah I worry I worry about that because the way I view it is that my channel is seen to be grey it's not C.D.P. [TS]

01:31:23   Gray's five minute explanation videos and I have always been intending to put more different stuff on there [TS]

01:31:32   but it all hasn't worked out for various reasons the primary one of which is that it almost always makes sense for me [TS]

01:31:38   to work on the main thing that pays my bills which are those videos [TS]

01:31:42   and so doing doing something different is is is risky [TS]

01:31:47   but it's something that I really want to try to do on purpose because I don't want to be I don't want to be constrained [TS]

01:31:55   into always making videos that are are very similar. [TS]

01:32:00   To each other in a way and he gets it gets her out of the big get it does it does and I mean that you sort of. [TS]

01:32:07   Now I've mentioned this to you a couple times and I alluded to it in my original solvable video. [TS]

01:32:13   But there there are a couple of projects I've been trying to work on which are different. [TS]

01:32:19   A twenty minute long little mini documentaries on a particular topic is interesting to me I have been trying to work on [TS]

01:32:27   this for almost a year now and that is a total disaster [TS]

01:32:32   and part of it is I'm I'm a very I know how to do these little five minute formats [TS]

01:32:38   and I can feel that this is true this longer twenty minute format is something that I don't I'm not as familiar with [TS]

01:32:46   and I don't have as much confidence in how how to do it or how to present it. [TS]

01:32:52   And it's also it's a topic that I'm afraid afraid of getting scooped. [TS]

01:32:56   But what if the other people eventually really need to get my get my act in gear on this but it's not. [TS]

01:33:03   Rahm's number is that you know it's his thought about grams now this is what I am very glad that of all of the people [TS]

01:33:10   in our little group that I am the relatively least science see of them because science seems to be a central focus for [TS]

01:33:16   a lot of the people that we know at least [TS]

01:33:20   when I'm covering stuff that's not directly directly science I can feel like I can take a little a little breather [TS]

01:33:25   and not worry about someone scooping me because whenever I work on whatever I'm working on a topic I do get really [TS]

01:33:32   worried that somebody else is going to come out with a thing that I'm working on right now before me which would be [TS]

01:33:37   kind of a disaster if I have a particular topic [TS]

01:33:40   and then somebody else has a huge video two weeks before I'm going to put mine up people are going to know you just [TS]

01:33:46   copy it and know I've been working on it for three months but this is the way it's going to look [TS]

01:33:52   and the worst thing ever happened to me once which was I was I was I usually think you know just calm down nobody else. [TS]

01:34:00   Probably working on this everybody else has their own projects but [TS]

01:34:03   when I was working on my video about Pluto not being a planet. [TS]

01:34:08   Yeah I had the same feeling of OK I got it at the time I was doing is this is already a ten year old news story [TS]

01:34:15   but I was still worried that somebody was going to put together a big You Tube video about it so I was rushing rushing [TS]

01:34:19   rushing. OK Let me get this out and someone's chasing me let me finish it publish it get it out great. [TS]

01:34:27   Actually sent me an email saying I can't believe it you totally screwed me I was working on the same thing that I [TS]

01:34:34   thought oh no this is the worst thing that could happen to me because it confirmed my paranoia about working on [TS]

01:34:41   something at the same time as somebody else and not being aware of it and that's a that's that haunts me. [TS]

01:34:49   I mean I can say as I said I said earlier in the show I can say as much as I want. [TS]

01:34:53   Nobody owns the facts and everybody can do their own stories. But you still don't want to release. [TS]

01:34:59   A video about the same thing just after. [TS]

01:35:02   Well somebody else especially someone like you who's a bit more because of the infrequency of your relay says you're a [TS]

01:35:09   bit more dependent on them becoming viral and you know less likely to be viral if there's been another video about it. [TS]

01:35:16   The week before. [TS]

01:35:17   Yes That that that that's a structural problem that I do face that most other people don't [TS]

01:35:23   but it can even if that was the case I still wouldn't I still don't want to release something that someone that sort of [TS]

01:35:29   a colleague at least a little bit earlier and out there would just I just feel kind of bad but. [TS]

01:35:35   But to answer your question I do I do feel constrained sometimes to continue to release videos that are like the videos [TS]

01:35:45   that I have released before and I am aware of this as a problem [TS]

01:35:49   and I have sense that maybe you don't believe in originality. [TS]

01:35:53   BLACK Oh well I think if this is there's a question here of. [TS]

01:36:00   I'll like you develop a style and that's perfectly fine to not necessarily develop on that style [TS]

01:36:10   but it's different running a You Tube channel because some You Tube channels are very well known for just releasing [TS]

01:36:16   completely unrelated stuff [TS]

01:36:19   and because I haven't done that very often I'm just I'm not sure how well received it would be if I released a video on [TS]

01:36:25   my Main You Tube channel that was not like the others but precisely because of that it really makes me want to. [TS]

01:36:32   It makes me want to establish the fact of I can I can upload anything that I want on this channel [TS]

01:36:38   and I know that it's mostly educational videos. But you know maybe sometimes it's it's going to be something else. [TS]

01:36:45   And and I hope that's OK everybody and I think it will be [TS]

01:36:49   and it's just like just like with everything you overestimate how much other people care. [TS]

01:36:56   In some sense most people are not really worried about what kind of thing is going to appear on the sea to be great. [TS]

01:37:02   There's only one person who is really worried about that maybe and it's me I think. [TS]

01:37:07   Now say something about it but then you and you sit there looking at the comments thinking oh I've made a mistake. [TS]

01:37:14   Unaware that they have written that comment and then gone off and had a cup of tea and walk their dog [TS]

01:37:17   and not thought about it again. So you next to the videos. Yes and forgot about it immediately. [TS]

01:37:21   Although I will say that I pretty much ignore the U. [TS]

01:37:25   Two comments completely at the stage and I like the the Reddit comments are much better [TS]

01:37:29   and they're much much more serious [TS]

01:37:30   and I feel I feel that the rate of people with much more understand if I put up something that was different [TS]

01:37:35   but if it was if it was poorly received on my own sub or that that would be that would be a little crushing. [TS]

01:37:42   If I did something different so I will wait for that day [TS]

01:37:45   and then I'd love to I'd love to watch a twenty minute video by P. Well I hope you do it sometime. [TS]

01:37:51   I interest I may I may at some point in the near future ask you for some advice on a longer form stuff. [TS]

01:38:00   So I am having some troubles with that [TS]

01:38:02   and you produce a lot more longer form stuff than I do you know that that's more from lack of discipline than than any [TS]

01:38:09   expertise in the area but so hard on yourself. Well I've been there. You can ask me anything you like. [TS]

01:38:20   OK Well I'll tell you what I think it would it would be it would be interesting [TS]

01:38:24   and that wasn't really the originality discussion I was expecting. Have we covered the things you want to talk about. [TS]

01:38:32   Wow Well look what were you what were you expecting I don't know what I was expecting I think [TS]

01:38:38   when you told me you know [TS]

01:38:39   when you told me half an hour before the podcast in your usual style I told you yesterday I told you I said something [TS]

01:38:46   told me I am thinking of originality and then [TS]

01:38:48   and then I see you put a tweet out now before the podcast going hey everyone can't decide what to talk about no idea I [TS]

01:38:53   said is not what I said at all that is not what I said it all now it makes me angry at what I hear. [TS]

01:39:00   I said I said tell me what you think we should talk about which is very different from oh I haven't. [TS]

01:39:06   I'm an indecisive person I was unable to think of any. [TS]

01:39:09   No I perfectly knew I just thought maybe there'd be something in the follow up section to talk about it. [TS]

01:39:15   So that wasn't a call for a main topic then no I will [TS]

01:39:17   when I lie I have sometimes said a main topic I've been very clear with my tweets I think you're making me angry. [TS]

01:39:25   So it's great to say that a little like a revelation [TS]

01:39:29   but that what it is what your emotion chip is obviously set to high your high sensitivity What were you thinking [TS]

01:39:35   when I told him you know five minutes before the start time. [TS]

01:39:38   Yeah yeah you told me after the first ad get lighter and lighter [TS]

01:39:44   and I don't know I think I was expecting something a bit more like a bit more about you know a scam you Ripper of [TS]

01:39:49   freebooter Copia types rather than you know a wholesome discussion about you know how we should stop. That's. [TS]

01:40:00   Oh how it hands [TS]

01:40:00   and be original together both of which is good really even if I thought I thought it was going to be more about what do [TS]

01:40:06   you do when people rip you off and then are original and but that's not what you were discussing though [TS]

01:40:10   and as I don't think Mike My conclusion was let's let's all work together I think my conclusion was that topic [TS]

01:40:16   originality is almost impossible but that style originality is what people should aim for [TS]

01:40:26   and I think that's the conclusion from this. [TS]

01:40:48   Ma'am I'm going have to cut down that boring section about The Lord Of The Rings. [TS]