00:00:00 ◼ ► You are sick and I am just exhausted and amount of coffee that I need more. Let me ask you this let me ask you this. [TS]
00:00:08 ◼ ► I just want to clear something up here because you're like one of my American friends taught element thirteen on the [TS]
00:00:14 ◼ ► periodic table. Symbol I Al I was that you don't need some of the symbol element there is aluminum aluminium. [TS]
00:00:27 ◼ ► Are you really going to start this argument I really didn't start so I want to know what you know the funny thing is I [TS]
00:00:38 ◼ ► You keep talking I'm going to do a little little lot of research right now I am a I am across this issue I actually [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► thought you were going to be the minium camp on this. Why on earth would you think that I don't know I just flew. [TS]
00:01:08 ◼ ► or whatever I'm just I'm trying to find out because I thought that there was some chemistry organization that didn't of [TS]
00:01:16 ◼ ► the charge of the pronunciation I pack the older Union blood chemistry this is you're talking to the guy that makes [TS]
00:01:24 ◼ ► period of videos man five you pack Sunny's I'm not ready that's all right then you try to pull it up here because I [TS]
00:01:31 ◼ ► couldn't remember which way they went on that it was ninety ninety that they basically said it's Alan minium that will [TS]
00:01:45 ◼ ► and there was this kind of I think it was bit of a deal where they when I gave one to the Americans [TS]
00:01:49 ◼ ► and the Americans gave some to the Europeans and the Europeans did the right thing [TS]
00:01:54 ◼ ► and took on the American side of the do when the Americans just that now they can go in. [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► If you don't care and if two or three years later you pack folded like a deck of cards [TS]
00:02:06 ◼ ► and said OK you could have both Alad minium is still the first preference it still have a Russia on their official [TS]
00:02:13 ◼ ► but I have a little footnote saying some people also say aluminium meaning Americans who've been a done deal that the [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► that the passive aggressive some people we can beat is sometimes very good at the at the super passive aggressive way [TS]
00:02:26 ◼ ► of phrasing something they're like oh we're neutral. We're just passively aggressively neutral. I'm looking at. [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► I thought there was something more recent than that but I'm going to I'm going to take your word for it. [TS]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and millions of videos about them so I don't think they're throwing a spanner in my works now. [TS]
00:02:43 ◼ ► Well I don't know if this makes you feel better or if it makes you feel worse but when I taught here in the U.K. [TS]
00:02:51 ◼ ► I would never say aluminum because it was just far too distracting for the students to hear apparently what is the [TS]
00:03:05 ◼ ► I had opted out while I was here teaching but if I'm to sing at normal speech it's going to be aluminum. [TS]
00:03:11 ◼ ► You did have a little mana victory though in my house today. Oh yeah because you have mice. [TS]
00:03:20 ◼ ► and she's really into it which was surprising because I'm sure she doesn't watch my videos or anything [TS]
00:03:29 ◼ ► So we're having a chat and then I said oh I've got something else I want to show you who are talking on Skype [TS]
00:03:36 ◼ ► and got this periodic table that has just been sent to me by my high school chemistry teacher from Australia [TS]
00:03:49 ◼ ► and it's a huge huge old you know outdated dusty old thing but you know it's a great piece of memorabilia [TS]
00:03:56 ◼ ► and I pulled it out and said Look at this look what's been said to me really proudly. [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► but anyway she was on your side there saying I like that she called it your monthly and that is great [TS]
00:04:18 ◼ ► Could we ballpark your age based on how many elements are on the periodic table I don't know the rate at which elements [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► But where does the periodic table stop you must have it framed somewhere by now and I know it's next to my desk [TS]
00:04:33 ◼ ► and wrote up Hang on let me see if I can unroll a boy. Yeah. It's massive This is actually what you have today. [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► when I went to Australia it was still left in the class it was still up in the classroom [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► and we said look this is the periodic table that inspired the website and the videos and it was over a lovely [TS]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and now all this time later he's actually sent it to me so I was hoping I'd keep it up there [TS]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and say oh yeah well you haven't went to scope stuff that I've basically gotten rid of it dumped on me. [TS]
00:05:13 ◼ ► That's exactly it. They knew who it accepted gratefully. Well element one hundred four is not even named here. [TS]
00:05:27 ◼ ► Shoot Finian something like phone ins an am but you'll probably end it with you and because you're American. [TS]
00:05:38 ◼ ► Anyway they are more tech to my house so it has a hundred for about one hundred four is not named. [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► Yeah right still got the letter naming convention year so it actually stops it stops at one hundred six hundred six. [TS]
00:05:58 ◼ ► No Nexium it's got to us. As well say if you want to know the year over year it's rough thirty forty M. [TS]
00:06:11 ◼ ► Why are you disappointed I would've thought you'd be really into the periodic table. [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► and I guess which goes along with this I had a I had a friend in college who I was I was somewhat competitive with [TS]
00:06:27 ◼ ► and she was a chemistry major and I was a physics major and simply to irritate her. [TS]
00:06:34 ◼ ► I memorized all of the names of all of the elements and their atomic number and their positions in the periodic table. [TS]
00:06:42 ◼ ► I was trying to drive home of course like a physics major would the point that all chemistry is just stamp collecting [TS]
00:06:53 ◼ ► but I have a have a whole flash card system that I keep up to date I always like to put the facts and things in it [TS]
00:07:00 ◼ ► and that periodic table the information is still in my flash card system to this day so I can usually not as well as I [TS]
00:07:09 ◼ ► but I can usually know the name of an element given the atomic number of the element did you watch do you watch the [TS]
00:07:19 ◼ ► It's that I won't bore you with the details of the show but the idea of the show is to know. [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► So as to questions to which there are multiple answers like elements on the periodic table. [TS]
00:07:33 ◼ ► So the idea is to is not just to get a ride but to get it right in a way that no one else would get it right [TS]
00:07:39 ◼ ► and that you've got to find the answer that no one else said which is still correct is like reverse Stanley if you [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► don't entirely understand it. Yeah yeah yeah that's actually that's not a bad way to put it. [TS]
00:07:51 ◼ ► but this one has to be factually correct as OK you want the answer that is factually correct that the fewest number of [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► No one gave it the answer is considered pointless and that's like that's like you know that's a huge. [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► OK So that's the big win. Nobody else said it is but it is still correct OK. Yeah that's interesting. [TS]
00:08:13 ◼ ► So to give you an example that was just on the other day I was watching it the other day [TS]
00:08:16 ◼ ► and I wasn't doing very well but then sort of the grand finale for the big jackpot. [TS]
00:08:25 ◼ ► and one of them was chemistry one of the women on the show I really fancied as a bit of a science expert [TS]
00:08:41 ◼ ► and then the question was name an element on the periodic table for which its symbol is also the first two letters of [TS]
00:08:51 ◼ ► the elements nine which is a you know OK OK second for my brain to parse. Yeah yeah I say like helium right. [TS]
00:09:10 ◼ ► So the idea was to come up with one that you know no one else would think of as well run as a green on there that's my [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► that's the fastest one I can come up with the probably the fewest number of people would guess [TS]
00:09:20 ◼ ► and I think I can remember what ones I was fancy anyway so I was reeling off a whole bunch that I thought were likely [TS]
00:09:35 ◼ ► Had to be no one else had said it so I thought I K Let's say let's see what she names [TS]
00:09:40 ◼ ► and the ones she named were plutonium so wrong four on which was just is just bait [TS]
00:10:05 ◼ ► God and this was the one who said I really want to do a science category because I'm a science [TS]
00:10:16 ◼ ► She had three options unobtainium under God I was pretty disappointed I hate James Cameron so much for putting [TS]
00:10:31 ◼ ► I I mean I just have to explain it just briefly to anyone on the if that happens to be listening [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► but unobtainium it was a science fiction term just to refer to some kind of material which is not possible to actually [TS]
00:10:55 ◼ ► Like the the material in the Ringworld books that those worlds are made you could say Oh that is an unobtainium because [TS]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and then for Cameron to actually have the metal that they're going after in the movie called unobtainium is just so [TS]
00:11:14 ◼ ► distracting. There were so many things in that movie that I hated but that one really really ground my gears. [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► It would be like having something in a movie that the characters are going after that is called the Macguffin. [TS]
00:11:26 ◼ ► Oh we're trying to find the McGuffin It's like only the first movie that did the MacGuffin that created the term [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► McGuffin is allowed to do that you in your subsequent movies can just call something a MacGuffin without being [TS]
00:11:39 ◼ ► The movie made me furious for very many reasons but piracy subtitles being one of them as well [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► but the unobtainium particularly which is like I cannot believe that it's just make up a new name this is the laziest [TS]
00:11:55 ◼ ► when it came out like I didn't I didn't hate it I didn't hate her and I don't matter. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► So I thought it was pretty impressive you know it's got its flaws but it was pretty impressive to look at Russia. [TS]
00:12:08 ◼ ► and it just it's looking really poor these days like at times not been kind to me. Good good. [TS]
00:12:17 ◼ ► How many stars have any say as a given. No stars I give it you know the stars. No stands no stars. [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► So any more follow up well can I just tell you one more thing about Avatar actually [TS]
00:12:29 ◼ ► and I just know I know I get what you can but OK you know what I hate most about the ending of that movie. [TS]
00:12:39 ◼ ► and it makes me angry because they think OK OK This spacefaring civilization has you know is coming into conflict with [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► and I can understand the notion that maybe under highly specific circumstances at the natives can win a ground war on [TS]
00:13:00 ◼ ► this planet sure whatever. I'll let that slide but the final day he really wants to know. [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Yeah yeah right like that's I'll give it to the e walks a fine you know the terrain those apps can be tripped up quite [TS]
00:13:16 ◼ ► Right but it's always like the whole empire it crumbles this whole system is gone. [TS]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Now in Avatar the locals are loading the invaders back onto their space ships right now and ships presumably. [TS]
00:13:35 ◼ ► and the whole opening premise of that movie is that they're coming from Earth because there are some unspecified huge [TS]
00:13:42 ◼ ► problem on earth. People are dying so they need this unobtainium it's incredibly expensive it's hugely valuable. [TS]
00:13:49 ◼ ► They're not just going to go home right they're not just going to go back to earth [TS]
00:13:52 ◼ ► and be like well sorry everybody you know we couldn't remove that tree from its particular location [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► But they did fight us off with sticks on the ground is just our God I cannot stand that spaceships spaceship. [TS]
00:14:11 ◼ ► I hate that word and I made the eighty S T's that he walks taking out you know in the N.T. [TS]
00:14:16 ◼ ► I think you know what the terrible thing is as soon as I said it I realized it was the wrong to the nation because yeah [TS]
00:14:25 ◼ ► and you don't muck around with the only one I think of ads in the final movie is is there's a shot of them kind of [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► and I would you know what that's a kind of like the kind of person you could pick up on that I appreciate that if you [TS]
00:15:00 ◼ ► realize it's the wrong designation so you know I accept with on Facebook with my friends [TS]
00:15:13 ◼ ► when friends start like spelling Star Wars things incorrectly like I was having a discussion the other day on Facebook [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► Pedantry because someone had to post a picture of a two day tour with a light saber like someone just as agitated also [TS]
00:15:43 ◼ ► Yes Yeah but then I was like well OK if you get a call that you've got to get a Salic spoke correctly [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► and anyway it spiraled into the sort of conversation that results in you never having a girlfriend I mean we measure we [TS]
00:15:56 ◼ ► could talk about so I was for forever which was we're not going to do but I will I will say is I find a little. [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► You know what I've been up to think it was recently made the fourth which has become this kind of weird Star Wars sort [TS]
00:16:15 ◼ ► This worked out quite well for reasons I'll get into later I had stuff that I need to do [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► and I spent the whole May fourth re watching one of my favorite things on the internet ever which is the red letter [TS]
00:16:32 ◼ ► and really there is no better way to spend your time than watching guys that are brilliant. [TS]
00:16:38 ◼ ► I have I have thought many a time that I forgive the existence of those first three movies because without them we [TS]
00:16:45 ◼ ► would not have the red letter media reviews I will put the link in the show notes if you haven't seen these things they [TS]
00:16:53 ◼ ► are great at what I will just pre warn people that the style of them takes a lot of getting used to. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► There's a kind of super creepy narrator who is doing this review of why the first three movies are awful. [TS]
00:17:07 ◼ ► Trust me people run with it. Just just go along with it it is completely worth it. They are amazing. [TS]
00:17:14 ◼ ► and I often think of them as I mean they are as long as the movies themselves I think it's six hours to watch all of [TS]
00:17:25 ◼ ► and some other films too I mean the no yeah yeah the star was the pinnacle of the Indiana Jones stuff is quite good. [TS]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Yes standing in a Star Trek I actually my wife has seen the red letter media reviews [TS]
00:17:38 ◼ ► but my wife is a very big Star Trek fan and I think of sort of references before on the show [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► and I will not let her watch the red letter media star trek reviews because I've told her [TS]
00:17:51 ◼ ► These reviews will just ruin some of the things in Star and Star Trek for you forever. [TS]
00:17:56 ◼ ► You can't unsee some of the things that he talks about or the floods he points out. [TS]
00:18:08 ◼ ► but I would definitely list the Star Wars reviews in particular as one of my ten favorite things I have ever seen on [TS]
00:18:19 ◼ ► Follow up follow up we're talking about news last time someone in the Reddit left a quote which you can I thought [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► summarize my my position just beautifully which is this Mark Twain quote that goes if you don't read the newspaper. [TS]
00:18:38 ◼ ► and I thought that that just struck me as beautiful like that is a perfect encapsulation of Basically my opinion of [TS]
00:18:44 ◼ ► most of the news and. I choose to be uninformed rather than misinformed. So I just I love that. [TS]
00:18:52 ◼ ► So thanks to whoever posted that on on the read it that was just that was just perfect that was really good. [TS]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Did Mark Twain like say anything in his life that wasn't like an awesome quote like he must have been five hundred [TS]
00:19:04 ◼ ► years out of sight to be sent over or some quotes where he said well this is it I have not investigated. [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► Actually Mark to another so many mis attributed to Mark Twain kind of quote It's like it's like Yogi Berra there's a [TS]
00:19:14 ◼ ► certain kind of quote that just gets ascribed to a particular person so someone can tell us in the comments if that is [TS]
00:19:20 ◼ ► genuinely if it is a sourced Mark Twain quote or if this is just a manufactured Mark Twain quote [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► but either way that that statement I think is just perfect absolutely perfect timing can they put a link down they want [TS]
00:19:36 ◼ ► Oh yeah I just just very briefly because I mentioned Nate Silver's five thirty eight Project the other one that I want [TS]
00:19:46 ◼ ► but it's got called as reclined has started his own news project as well which looks promising I was taking a look at [TS]
00:19:55 ◼ ► but one of the things I like that they're that they're doing on this alternate news project is. [TS]
00:20:02 ◼ ► If they interview someone they're publishing both the interviews like the full length Here's the actual interview we [TS]
00:20:12 ◼ ► and I think that that is a great example of how news on the Internet can just can just be so different [TS]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and you can you can have a story that summarizes an interview that you did with somebody [TS]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and within that story you can link to the audio version or whatever our limitations. [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► and I think part of it is a guy I have followed for years called Paul Graham was recently caught out in a big big [TS]
00:20:41 ◼ ► and this is the kind of thing where I think it is great if this could become more of a standard that look if you're [TS]
00:20:45 ◼ ► going to do a story you're going to publish the whole interview as well so you can't try to spin it in a particular way. [TS]
00:20:54 ◼ ► And also on the flip side it allows it doesn't allow people to just claim that they were misquoted if they are actually [TS]
00:21:01 ◼ ► just said some horrible thing or if they really meant that they can say oh the newspaper took me out of context. [TS]
00:21:06 ◼ ► Because again you have a whole interview there so I thought I just thought that was a good example of how the internet [TS]
00:21:24 ◼ ► Today's episode of hello internet has been sponsored by our friends at all Boo dot com the leading provider of spoken [TS]
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00:21:49 ◼ ► and today Grey's let me loose he's going to let me recommend one that first of all I think I quickly talk about why you [TS]
00:21:55 ◼ ► would listen to audiobooks. I've only really got into audio books in the last couple of years and that's because. [TS]
00:22:14 ◼ ► But also you've probably heard me talk recently on the podcast about some trips I've taken to the Himalayas [TS]
00:22:19 ◼ ► and that involves basically you know ten hour walks each day and audiobooks really helped pass the time. [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► Now when I did those trips I filled up the i Phone with books all about Mt Everest in the Himalayas [TS]
00:22:33 ◼ ► I want to recommend a book today called high crimes by Michael Codesa I guess is how you pronounce his name. [TS]
00:22:43 ◼ ► and basically I mean the subheading of the book is the fate of Everest in an age of greed and it really is about. [TS]
00:22:55 ◼ ► I mean this isn't like sort of into thin air where you think well you know some people here have got moral dilemmas. [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► This book tells some stories about some acts people do that are just plain criminal. [TS]
00:23:09 ◼ ► and it's told really cleverly it's told from the two different sides of the mountain at the same time some people who [TS]
00:23:17 ◼ ► are going up from the deposed Saddam some of the people who were going up from the the China Tibet side it's really [TS]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and if you're someone who does like going for walks it's a really nice book to have playing while sort of you know [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► So they go high crimes if you want to listen to all of you has along with one hundred fifty thousand other titles. [TS]
00:23:43 ◼ ► No mountaineering books unfortunately but I've got pretty much every genre covered. [TS]
00:23:53 ◼ ► So I know you came from us and remember you get a free audiobook when you sign on for their thirty day trial today. [TS]
00:24:07 ◼ ► I just want to share a little moment I had with you and it was a really it was a nothing moment. [TS]
00:24:17 ◼ ► They of course basically I had I've been filming all this stuff on all my various cameras including like the high speed [TS]
00:24:32 ◼ ► and I've actually got a second computer in a corner that just processes those files because for various reasons so I [TS]
00:24:45 ◼ ► and then over my main computer I had all my rushes from that day's filming or going into the computer [TS]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and at the same time the computer was processing some other videos from one format to another that needed doing [TS]
00:24:58 ◼ ► and at the same time I was downloading a bunch of stuff that was being sent to me by someone else via Dropbox. [TS]
00:25:08 ◼ ► and I suddenly looked around at what was going on and how much work these machines were doing and I thought. [TS]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Computers a pretty amazing good. There are amazing. Yes they are but they are quite amazing and super important. [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► and I spent a good five ten minutes talking to people that this clever person who'd attached a rock to a chair. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Oh day I'm surrounded by these machines that are doing these remarkable remarkable things [TS]
00:26:10 ◼ ► and the computers are kind of the same thing if you want to set up an environment that assists you in whatever it is [TS]
00:26:17 ◼ ► you want to do so I actually really love the rock on the chain as well because it's something of there are going to be [TS]
00:26:23 ◼ ► times when you're exiting the gate and you're you're occupied with something else or you're in a big hurry [TS]
00:26:26 ◼ ► and so you want to engineer the situation so that it is not possible for you to forget because then you have sheep [TS]
00:26:33 ◼ ► or whatever it is you know the Raptor gets loose because you didn't put the bolt in the way it's supposed to be like [TS]
00:26:43 ◼ ► and the computers are the same thing having having the machine to do work for you when when [TS]
00:26:52 ◼ ► The sheer volume of work they do is amazing the lack just anyway so I sound like I've just come from I said like a [TS]
00:27:00 ◼ ► caveman know and like that sometimes you just forget and I like that just how how much they do and how quickly [TS]
00:27:10 ◼ ► and I thought Grey would like this to be in the life of computers I do I too I am glad that you appreciate you know the [TS]
00:27:18 ◼ ► mechanical servants that we have in our lives the digital service that we have in our lives. [TS]
00:27:28 ◼ ► I'm going to fail you the other day and I didn't get through I got your voicemail. [TS]
00:27:39 ◼ ► That's about right I like that I like that I was kind of it was hardcore you know. [TS]
00:27:49 ◼ ► It's like it's like sending your name I don't Bob No doubt the e-mails at least have the possibility of catching my [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► attention but you may shake your voice my little in case I can't play my voice not basically say. As I see G.P. [TS]
00:28:03 ◼ ► I do not check these messages and the thing that baffles me is that I know people still leave voice mails. [TS]
00:28:11 ◼ ► I don't understand who the people are who these voice mails because I don't listen to them. [TS]
00:28:17 ◼ ► when I think it was in the latest version of I O S Apple introduced a feature where you can block messages [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► or text on a particular phone number so I actually blocked whatever number it is that my telephone service provider [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► uses to send me a notification to let me know that I have forty five unread voicemail messages. [TS]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and now I don't even have to do it once a week get some dumb text telling me that there's a message [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► or that I should listen to. So I know that my voicemail is basically just a black hole. [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► I things go in there and they never come out and everyone is like you know what if your wife gets abducted [TS]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and she's trying to call you from the trunk of a car if she's being sped out to the countryside she sang How are you [TS]
00:29:07 ◼ ► But second of all I mean I have my phone on me all the time as she tries to call I can see that it's her calling again [TS]
00:29:15 ◼ ► with on the i Phone her you know her picture shows up and it's my wife so I know to take that call [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► but my phone blocks you know anything from unknown numbers and you know I don't I just don't even receive those [TS]
00:29:28 ◼ ► but of course the people in my life who want to be able to contact me know how to contact me if they're not going to [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► and I guess I never will know who the people are who the voicemail messages I get all I know is that they have my phone [TS]
00:29:44 ◼ ► number but they don't know the ways that I actually want to be contacted and that's fine I guess. [TS]
00:29:51 ◼ ► No it's never caused any problems for me so I came across a video the other day. Which I just showed you today. [TS]
00:30:03 ◼ ► I will I will I will try and explain the video for the few people out there who have not seen [TS]
00:30:16 ◼ ► As of now it's now thirty million views they must've just updated it so I will try to summarize it before I let you off [TS]
00:30:28 ◼ ► I would it's it's a very clean cut young man in a sensible sweater and reciting a poem to I believe he wrote [TS]
00:30:38 ◼ ► and it was kind of one of those poems that your rockets go that is nice because it will drive him all the time while [TS]
00:30:54 ◼ ► Sort of our current society's obsession with you know social media and always being on our computers and i Phones [TS]
00:31:01 ◼ ► and a sort of a video like this comes along every few months I guess that goes viral which is cool which is ironic that [TS]
00:31:08 ◼ ► they'd come along come along and go viral on social media. But anyway this this one went viral. [TS]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and I really like that one that one's good but this one's a bit odd and this one didn't do it for me so much. [TS]
00:31:34 ◼ ► But anyway if you know what I'm going to be completely honest with you I haven't even watched so far. [TS]
00:31:40 ◼ ► I would not get five minutes to a video I don't enjoy but I believe you did what you know. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► About three minutes into it I said something to you like I should I should pull up I support the messages right here [TS]
00:32:10 ◼ ► Do I have to watch to the end it's already been three minutes and forty forty six seconds [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► and the video is five minutes long. And Hugh reply you're like oh I didn't even watch it at all. [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and I thought I like an idiot just assume that you sent me something to watch and that you would have watched it all [TS]
00:32:33 ◼ ► and neglected to mention that you yourself didn't watch it so I was super irritated by that. [TS]
00:32:39 ◼ ► I think I got the general gist in the general case is you know where technology is an illusion [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and let's end the confusion and delusion and let's all get together and hold hands [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and get our heads out of the screens and smell the flowers and touch a baby and stuff. [TS]
00:33:02 ◼ ► and like I don't disagree with the sentiment like I sometimes feel really down about how much time I spend on computers [TS]
00:33:12 ◼ ► I'm prob this video should appeal to me more than you because I do feel that life has become too skewed in that [TS]
00:33:20 ◼ ► direction. But this video a twenty nine million. Tell me what you thought about it. [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► Well I just assumed that you were one hundred percent on board with this nonsense I'm actually kind of surprised that [TS]
00:33:33 ◼ ► it irritated even you but you have to the basic I mean will put it in the show notes you know good luck people. [TS]
00:33:46 ◼ ► And there is the Romney poem and the video that's going on in the background shows people on their phones. [TS]
00:33:52 ◼ ► But there's a kind of story I guess that that's cut through it which is this guy using. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► If it shows a guy who instead of using his phone is trying to find directions somewhere [TS]
00:34:06 ◼ ► and of course a pretty girl walks by and he asks her for directions and then they skip to them suddenly having dinner. [TS]
00:34:19 ◼ ► So if you talk to real humans you can write like a like a pretty girl will suddenly end up having dinner with you if [TS]
00:34:25 ◼ ► you just ask her for directions which first of all I just think instead of using Google Maps using Google Maps I mean [TS]
00:34:33 ◼ ► so many things wrong with that but I mean how many women are going to presumably walk a stranger to their location [TS]
00:34:40 ◼ ► and then end up having dinner with them that night I think the chances of that are pretty low so I don't like the [TS]
00:34:49 ◼ ► And also again the the idea that there are only people in the real world right that there aren't people on the Internet [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► Well I think I mentioned before on the show but I found my wife through the Internet. [TS]
00:35:01 ◼ ► I would I would never have met her were it not for the Internet we had many a digital communication before we ever met [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► So the idea that I go the only way you can find true love is just by random chance walking around in the street asking [TS]
00:35:17 ◼ ► and having them walk you to that place long enough so that you can get to know each other [TS]
00:35:22 ◼ ► and then she invites you over for dinner I guess in this fantasy land of how human interactions go now. [TS]
00:35:30 ◼ ► So I think even you must realize that eventually you have to supplement this cyber relationship with like a physical [TS]
00:35:37 ◼ ► meeting women you bit the bullet one day and said I'm going to make this woman before I actually marry her. [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► and that's that's the thing that I hate about a video like this is is is is the whole premise the whole premise through [TS]
00:35:51 ◼ ► something like this is that our technology is not any good because it separates us from each other [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Yes Leigh wrong there is there is a totally reasonable argument to be made about the amount of time that people spend [TS]
00:36:15 ◼ ► and it ends with with the the takeaway message is the next time you go outside Be sure to leave your i Phone behind so [TS]
00:36:26 ◼ ► What are you crazy who is can kick you that was going to do that unless I'm intentionally I don't know going to some [TS]
00:36:35 ◼ ► isolation retreat for the weekend which I would also say that that can be an interesting experience to do there are [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► there are places you can go that are intentionally separated from technology I think that's a super cool experience [TS]
00:36:46 ◼ ► but I'm still going to take my phone right on in my car to get to that place for so many numerous reasons it's just. [TS]
00:36:57 ◼ ► and I also notice how I mean there's no way he could have known this was going to be watched as many times as they [TS]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and I have noted that he has activated advertising on his one video on You Tube so I bet he's about to start spending a [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► Yes probably was as uploaded recently I think I think I think he's about to enter the April twenty fifth. [TS]
00:37:28 ◼ ► when he starts getting a big check from you getting thirty million views that like a third of my whole You Tube career [TS]
00:37:38 ◼ ► but so anyway it just makes me mad and I think now the first one that I liked a while back [TS]
00:37:48 ◼ ► but I'm going to presume based on the kinds of things the past me would like that that video was more reasonable about [TS]
00:38:05 ◼ ► and someone is always distracted by their phone big you know partly because OK it's taken a whole bunch of effort for [TS]
00:38:13 ◼ ► everybody to come out and like and we're in a place and if you are the person who is always on their phone [TS]
00:38:18 ◼ ► or you know you the person like posting photographs of the thing that we're at right now. [TS]
00:38:24 ◼ ► Yeah I do kind of judge that a little bit I think if you're socializing with other people it's time to put your phone [TS]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and make a conscious effort to be present with the people that you're there with I think that's the point of going out. [TS]
00:38:38 ◼ ► If you didn't want to be there with the people then you shouldn't have gone and you should have stayed home [TS]
00:38:45 ◼ ► So I make it a very very conscious effort that if I'm if I'm out with people to not have my phone out [TS]
00:39:02 ◼ ► or that that the phone hasn't helped your life in a numerous into so many ways I mean that's that's the thing that gets [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► and all of these devices because they are making a judgment that their life is way better with them than without them. [TS]
00:39:25 ◼ ► So that's that's why it's I can't stand these things where I think all Apple has made all of us sad by the magical [TS]
00:39:31 ◼ ► wondrous things that they have created which we all voluntarily use every day because they're great. [TS]
00:39:44 ◼ ► but I kind of can't believe it that you're on my side in this argument to be well. [TS]
00:40:05 ◼ ► and thought Yeah this is really cool we may resist one was kind of a bit like you know I thought it was a bit twenty in [TS]
00:40:19 ◼ ► but I do think there is you know you know I think a bit differently to you on this [TS]
00:40:25 ◼ ► and I may more than anyone that is super open to the argument that there are there are times to put technology away [TS]
00:40:35 ◼ ► and I think many years ago I mean the company made us want to try to get this right I think it was called The Prince [TS]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Albert hotel tell. Listen to the fast typing Wow I wasn't even looking at the keyboard when that was going on. [TS]
00:40:58 ◼ ► That has happened so I knew I didn't quite get that right I was just looking it up [TS]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and it is in an amazingly gorgeous place which is this national park that spans both Canada [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► It is a stunningly beautiful place if you are ever if you ever in the area you need to to take a trip to see it [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► when I was doing a road trip across America I didn't really intend to go there I just sort of ended up there [TS]
00:41:31 ◼ ► and the hotel makes a big point of the fact that they don't have why fight they don't have internet. [TS]
00:41:39 ◼ ► How can they get cell phone reception at that hotel and that part of the experience [TS]
00:41:48 ◼ ► and I thought it was just great you know I love that kind of conscious decision that we're going to have this space [TS]
00:41:54 ◼ ► where we remove technology and they had a downstairs dining area where they encouraged everybody to come. [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Look those people here and we want to try to encourage you to talk to other people in this setting and I did [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► and it was it was really nice it was really great so there there is definitely benefits to conscious exclusion of [TS]
00:42:14 ◼ ► But the idea that all of life is made miserable by technology is just obviously ludicrous. [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► So anyway that's that's that to the actual border run through the grounds not between the two countries. [TS]
00:42:30 ◼ ► but there is basically it is a stunning forest mountain range glacier area and both the United States [TS]
00:42:43 ◼ ► and then at some point they realized oh we both have these national parks that are butting up right against each other [TS]
00:42:49 ◼ ► So why don't we make this like an officially managed area as an international Park so it's very very cool [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► and you should go check it out if you're ever in the area. The elephant in the pod cast that we have not yet discussed. [TS]
00:43:15 ◼ ► and there was a there was a brief glorious moment on the grave verses Brady Web site where it showed me as having put [TS]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and so I had to screenshot that for myself to preserve this rare moment because normally it says that you have released [TS]
00:43:35 ◼ ► twenty seven videos since the last time I released a video so I was I was happy to see that counter at least briefly [TS]
00:43:42 ◼ ► reset with with the real video. So when we talk about your video I do have a few issues with that Web site. [TS]
00:44:05 ◼ ► Now do you actually think and how do you think it through all of us and fairly well. [TS]
00:44:21 ◼ ► Well I guess it maybe takes me momentarily but Tracy will be unfairly because it makes it makes you look. [TS]
00:44:38 ◼ ► Right that's one way you could put it which is completely unfair because of the completely different nature of their [TS]
00:44:43 ◼ ► videos and the way they're made and the production cycles so I think that's unfair on you and then. [TS]
00:44:50 ◼ ► I think it's unfair on me because it makes me look like I'm going to video as well your lovingly crafting videos in a [TS]
00:44:58 ◼ ► you know in your studio but also also you know having these few accounts and having having the average of you count. [TS]
00:45:06 ◼ ► Obviously my average we can't is very very low compared to yours partly because you have a much bigger more successful [TS]
00:45:11 ◼ ► channel but also because my number number filed is pretty much the same number of subscribers. [TS]
00:45:21 ◼ ► but also you know my average is being dragged down by all these other little videos I make for these little niche [TS]
00:45:32 ◼ ► but then the total number of yes' which obviously then puts me up probably higher than you again I think it is also it [TS]
00:45:38 ◼ ► is also unfair because you know I have all these different projects and different things I'm working on [TS]
00:45:45 ◼ ► and you're just you know so I think I don't know I think it's a bit unfair I don't buy that [TS]
00:45:51 ◼ ► but I love that it was made and I do look at it and I and I get a laugh and I think it's a good joke to have going [TS]
00:46:01 ◼ ► and I think I think that anybody who is enthusiastic enough to go to that Web site like that they know that it's funny. [TS]
00:46:08 ◼ ► They understand how different our videos are the love I do love the little Easter eggs that when [TS]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and if you count to has frozen a three I won so you can't just throw one in there that actually made that a hyperlink [TS]
00:46:24 ◼ ► and if you notice that I didn't notice the hyperlink it didn't as a hyperlink. Yeah I am. [TS]
00:46:29 ◼ ► I'm forever envious of your three o one video because I had something in the works on that [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► and so now you get to be the definitive video about why video stop at three hundred one views so well done well done [TS]
00:46:49 ◼ ► but I think I think I think yours is good I think there is no reason to duplicate as you but you win this round [TS]
00:46:56 ◼ ► but I did not notice that there was a hyperlink on the three o one so that's good that's a nice touch. [TS]
00:47:00 ◼ ► Let's touch on it is that was that was that was nice. I really want you to make it through one video it was torture. [TS]
00:47:07 ◼ ► Anyway anyway let's this is that stop talking about that let's talk about your new video which you put out this week on [TS]
00:47:15 ◼ ► net neutrality and which I've watched a couple of times and enjoyed very much. I thought it was excellent. [TS]
00:47:29 ◼ ► Yeah this was a video that I think honestly took took some some weeks off the end of my life because this was this was [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► under just the most unusual group of circumstances so there's the short version of this. [TS]
00:47:50 ◼ ► I was working on something a main video for this month which was not the net neutrality thing [TS]
00:48:09 ◼ ► and it was just it was kind of just cycling in my brain isn't falling to sleep or thinking about net neutrality [TS]
00:48:17 ◼ ► when I went to my usual work routine I thought let me just let me just poke around [TS]
00:48:21 ◼ ► and research the net neutrality thing a little bit I can feel my brain is interested in this this might be a good time [TS]
00:48:27 ◼ ► And Friday morning I discovered that this whole news in while recording this right now that in America the F.C.C. [TS]
00:48:35 ◼ ► Which is the government body that kind of regulates all of the stuff of Internet and telecommunications [TS]
00:48:42 ◼ ► They announced that they're going to have some announcements related to net neutrality on the fifteenth of this month [TS]
00:48:50 ◼ ► and so I discover that on Friday morning the calendar is just going at the right because one is and so that would be. [TS]
00:49:07 ◼ ► Basically I thought oh God this is the this is the best time ever to make this video that I've been kind of thinking [TS]
00:49:13 ◼ ► about for a while like I had a bunch of notes already on net neutrality if I'm ever going to do it I have to do it [TS]
00:49:19 ◼ ► right now but it's going to be an advocacy video so that means I need to get it out as soon as possible. [TS]
00:49:25 ◼ ► And for various strategic trying to hit the news cycle reasons that that meant like OK I have to get this out on either [TS]
00:49:32 ◼ ► Monday or Tuesday at the absolute latest I know in my normal production cycle that is not really possible. [TS]
00:49:51 ◼ ► And this kind of thing I think most people who watch videos don't notice that it's a big deal for me. [TS]
00:49:57 ◼ ► I stylistically have two different videos. Our video is where I'm talking to the audience directly. [TS]
00:50:07 ◼ ► And then I have my what I think of as the main videos were stylistically I don't use the word I [TS]
00:50:13 ◼ ► and I might make oblique references to my thoughts but I very intentionally don't ever use the word I. [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► I was thinking OK if I do this is as a first person centred video and I don't need to do the research. [TS]
00:50:31 ◼ ► Is it possible to turn it around and so I basically spent all of Friday trying to write a rough draft for the script [TS]
00:50:37 ◼ ► and I came to the conclusion that if I don't sleep I might be able to get this out by Monday which is which is what [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► and so the idea of having to say I'm not going to be around because I need to spend all of my time on this project [TS]
00:51:07 ◼ ► right before you're going to go somewhere is not ideal. That's not good. Yes not good. [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► And then you add into the fact that I had family visiting from America at this exact same time [TS]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and so I had to say the same thing that oh I know you flew across an ocean to see me [TS]
00:51:24 ◼ ► but I need to take three days to not be available because I need to go do a thing on the Internet. [TS]
00:51:32 ◼ ► So like this project was both incredibly rushed and under terribly difficult circumstances. [TS]
00:51:38 ◼ ► But I did it because it is it is a topic that I super care about like there are very few topics where I would look at [TS]
00:51:46 ◼ ► that factor. All of these decisions and say but I should still make this video anyway. [TS]
00:51:51 ◼ ► I think almost any other topic I would say I do not have the time or the resources [TS]
00:51:55 ◼ ► or just like the sanity to be able to ignore my family in this time to be able to. [TS]
00:52:10 ◼ ► and I basically woke up Sunday at about seven am and I went to bed at three am and then I cut up Monday morning [TS]
00:52:22 ◼ ► and I feel like I'm still slightly recovering from this this ridiculous burst of work which is not a sustainable way to [TS]
00:52:30 ◼ ► work so it was it was very exhausting from start to finish. It only took three days just to do that once I wake up. [TS]
00:52:36 ◼ ► Yeah and then my rest for the other four days and you could have a weekly video to be brilliant. [TS]
00:52:56 ◼ ► So I love you Internet which is why I made that video I think this is super important [TS]
00:53:00 ◼ ► but there's no way I could do normal videos like that and still be alive by the time I was fifty or so. [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Yeah I was actually wondering and dear listener who hears my voice right now you can answer this question. [TS]
00:53:25 ◼ ► I was kind of wondering if there's anybody who listens to this who doesn't watch both of our channels [TS]
00:53:35 ◼ ► and they read it if there is anybody who came upon this pod cast in some other way but didn't didn't either. [TS]
00:53:44 ◼ ► I'm just curious to know if that person exists if you exist and you're listening to me right now. [TS]
00:53:49 ◼ ► Thomas please leave a comment in the Reddit and we'll see how that goes and kind of areas [TS]
00:53:54 ◼ ► but I had also just did a video which is excellent which I'm sure you might mention and would definitely. [TS]
00:54:00 ◼ ► So I think grain I had missed ten grains but I saw that today as well and that's also very good. [TS]
00:54:11 ◼ ► and then the first time I checked my computer email on the things I saw I was angry [TS]
00:54:36 ◼ ► Net neutrality is basically it's this issue about what amount of control does the company that you by your Internet [TS]
00:54:47 ◼ ► have over what comes through the wires and net neutrality is the principle that they should basically have no control. [TS]
00:55:01 ◼ ► Whatever web site you are attempting to access that should just come through your Internet cable at the maximum. [TS]
00:55:08 ◼ ► Technically possible speed or the maximum speed for whatever package you have paid for [TS]
00:55:18 ◼ ► So that that is the principle of net neutrality in a nutshell treat all data coming through the pipe equally So this is [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► sort of your internet provider country some deal where they say we'll give you a super fast Netflix [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► and in other parts around the world companies Internet service providers some of them anyway are are trying to get that [TS]
00:55:44 ◼ ► rule removed because if you are the person who's actually maintaining those Internet connections you want the ability [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► to influence the traffic that is going through those wires and you have a as a company you have a huge number of. [TS]
00:56:03 ◼ ► but I would say what I would assume is one of the primary motive factors motivating factors is simply just money. [TS]
00:56:15 ◼ ► and you have the ability to artificially slow down various Web sites unless people either the consumer who is already [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► or as has happened in the United States where the Internet service providers have charged just sounds so awful [TS]
00:56:34 ◼ ► but they have charged other companies like Netflix additional money in order to just let Netflix through the wire as [TS]
00:56:50 ◼ ► and there are topics that are just basically impossible to talk about in terms of what they really are. [TS]
00:57:05 ◼ ► You have all of these complicated connections between you know Tier one Tier two Tier three providers backbones peering [TS]
00:57:16 ◼ ► and I was speaking with a few people to try to sort out some of the stuff in this segment if you're not a network [TS]
00:57:30 ◼ ► and so you see as in my own video as in via hearts video as it Hanks video people talk in terms of analogies [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► and they use the usual analogy is like a road and people are talking about trucks and delivering packages [TS]
00:57:42 ◼ ► and it's because there's no other way to talk about this you can't have this discussion on the actual level of what it [TS]
00:57:55 ◼ ► when you're arguing over the analogy because there are so many reasons that cars on a road. [TS]
00:58:06 ◼ ► but the Internet service providers are often talking about building fast lanes you know like oh we want to build fast [TS]
00:58:17 ◼ ► when you try to root through the technical details what they really mean is like oh well slow down everything [TS]
00:58:24 ◼ ► and then the normal lane becomes the fast lane and you know everything else is going through the slow lane [TS]
00:58:35 ◼ ► and I have I have I'm just incredibly deep disappointments with the video that I produced [TS]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and given the kind of goal from my perspective which was to talk about net neutrality in the most general possible [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► And in a way that might hopefully give a person unfamiliar with the technology some notion of why it is bad. [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► So the those were basically my goals for that I was not attempting to explain more of the details of what's going on [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and for that I think via heart we actually were talking via heart is spotted me on Twitter asking a particular question [TS]
00:59:36 ◼ ► and via hearts on the Ask a relatively innocuous question on Twitter why was asking people for help with something [TS]
00:59:41 ◼ ► and basically sent me a message a minute later she said I know exactly what you're working on you're working on a net [TS]
00:59:51 ◼ ► So we she showed me her script you know and we had a little bit of a discussion about it [TS]
01:00:04 ◼ ► and what is happening in America right now via hard video is a much better video than mine for that mine I think is a [TS]
01:00:10 ◼ ► much more general one that I hope will be applicable in future situations if if net neutrality problems come up [TS]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and because implicitly sometimes my role here is to be a bit of a devil's advocate just to kind of nudge you a bit to [TS]
01:00:30 ◼ ► But this really is a case of where being the devil's advocate is being an advocate of the devil in a way because [TS]
01:00:43 ◼ ► And like I was doing it to myself in my head saying I could ask radius where I could put this to him [TS]
01:00:48 ◼ ► but I was just like my argument was falling apart before I even came out of my mouth because I kind of. [TS]
01:00:57 ◼ ► and like no one you know that you trust is really important to me for my job to you. I will try. [TS]
01:01:05 ◼ ► Well if I before you even try just to simply say that I did get a whole bunch of comments both on You Tube [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► and on Reddit where people were asking you know what what the other what the other side to this [TS]
01:01:21 ◼ ► and most of the time I would try to explain that if there was some kind of reasonable argument to be had on the other [TS]
01:01:27 ◼ ► side. But there are there are definitely times when there there is no reasonable argument to be had on the other side. [TS]
01:01:41 ◼ ► but there's no argument to be made for why it is good for either society or the Internet as a whole is my position. [TS]
01:01:47 ◼ ► So now I will let you devil's advocate after I've put that in ahead of time so I guess the first question like the most [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► And like access to the Internet is a fundamental right like you know I like having air to breathe [TS]
01:02:08 ◼ ► and to a lesser extent access to our water. I know there are a lot of people who don't have that. [TS]
01:02:16 ◼ ► How fundamental right is this because a lot of the chest beating that goes on is like how dare you how dare you slide [TS]
01:02:23 ◼ ► this one down and give me this one fast I want to hold him. I guess the question is will hang on. [TS]
01:02:33 ◼ ► and access to it is it is it like a robot you know it should be just expect to be able to have it in the first place I [TS]
01:02:40 ◼ ► think I think you can reasonably call it right in the same way electricity is a right. [TS]
01:02:47 ◼ ► Once your society is at a certain level of wealth that it doesn't it doesn't make sense to deprive your citizens of. [TS]
01:02:57 ◼ ► A plumbing or electricity or internet. If your G.D.P. Per capita is above the amount X. [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► or that one might make an argument for food being kind of fundamental to being human. Obviously the Internet is not. [TS]
01:03:17 ◼ ► But if your society is wealthy enough it's just crazy not to ensure that everybody has access to the Internet. [TS]
01:03:26 ◼ ► But the entitlement thing is interesting because you know the Internet works very differently in countries around the [TS]
01:03:39 ◼ ► Did not have any kind of net neutrality laws and everything was basically sort of fine with U.K. Internet. [TS]
01:03:48 ◼ ► But the reason things were OK with U.K. Internet has to do with competition regulations. So basically in the U.K. [TS]
01:04:03 ◼ ► when I went to look there was something like seven companies that we could buy our Internet from if we wanted to. [TS]
01:04:09 ◼ ► And so this is Internet Neutrality matters a lot more in a place like the United States where almost everybody has no [TS]
01:04:33 ◼ ► But there are circumstances under which it is it is not necessarily the most important thing. [TS]
01:04:40 ◼ ► If you have genuine competition between Internet providers you can do OK without net neutrality because they all act as [TS]
01:04:48 ◼ ► But yeah I swear America sometimes tries to make sure it does the worst of everything [TS]
01:04:53 ◼ ► and then combine it together to make it even worse than anything could be in a kind of amazingly awesome badness [TS]
01:05:04 ◼ ► and then not having any kind of regulations to ensure that the person you're a monopoly provider does a halfway decent [TS]
01:05:11 ◼ ► job is just the worst of both worlds or just it just makes it absolutely terrible so. [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► So I think that's where yeah that's I think that's the real nub of the matter there because the one thing I think you [TS]
01:05:22 ◼ ► know from from our discussions over over time is I know you're a big believer in market forces [TS]
01:05:28 ◼ ► and you know things working out that commercial forces often allowing things to work out. [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► So part of me was thinking you know what square I worried about like Surely the right thing you know if someone's [TS]
01:05:41 ◼ ► trying to make money they're allowed to make money and if if if they can be undercut they'll be undercut [TS]
01:06:11 ◼ ► and they're not universally applicable in every situation you just have to think about what situations do. [TS]
01:06:17 ◼ ► Do markets work best under and for for a situation where you have to dig up streets [TS]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and lay cables in the ground is a huge start of cost to becoming an Internet service provider. [TS]
01:06:33 ◼ ► The barrier to entry is so large as to effectively exclude any kind of genuine competition [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► and that that can be the problem with the Internet so unless you live in a place that has laws that say. [TS]
01:06:46 ◼ ► You know we're going to eventually make sure that all of these cables any company can use [TS]
01:06:54 ◼ ► If you don't have that you just you can't start up a competitor Internet service provider if you have like call me [TS]
01:07:02 ◼ ► when you've dug the roads to every dug ditches to every house in America and laid fiber optic cable inside of them. [TS]
01:07:08 ◼ ► But once you've once you've done that let me know and then you can start if your internet service provider [TS]
01:07:13 ◼ ► and I think I think a great example of this is Google in America who is starting up an Internet service provider [TS]
01:07:28 ◼ ► and they know they can only do it in relatively small cities because of the A bit like having to dig up the roads [TS]
01:07:34 ◼ ► and all these are things like Can you imagine a city like New York saying OK we're going to shut down the roads for a [TS]
01:07:38 ◼ ► few months as we allow a whole bunch of companies to lay down competitive cables underneath the street. [TS]
01:07:47 ◼ ► There's almost no way it would ever be worth shutting down New York for something like that. [TS]
01:07:51 ◼ ► So there are situations that are with which market forces just cannot possibly work [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► It's it's a tricky situation and you know I just think again it's so it's so hard to explain it [TS]
01:08:10 ◼ ► but I had a way longer section that I thought I just I had to cut out so I could possibly do it in the allocated time [TS]
01:08:17 ◼ ► but I really think that the best comparison for net neutrality is is not the roads but it is the electrical grid [TS]
01:08:31 ◼ ► when you plug something in your house the electricity company doesn't have any say over how you're using that [TS]
01:08:41 ◼ ► You buy a certain amount of electricity just like you buy a certain amount of data from your internet service provider. [TS]
01:08:47 ◼ ► And the electricity company it like is none of their business what you do with that. [TS]
01:08:52 ◼ ► or anything else that's not there that's not their job their job is to deliver electricity [TS]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and it's a similar situation where we have these regulations that don't allow the electricity company to charge you [TS]
01:09:04 ◼ ► differently for different things in your house because the barrier to entry for starting up an electrical company [TS]
01:09:11 ◼ ► building a gigantic power station running electrical lines all over the country is just is just too big right that can [TS]
01:09:20 ◼ ► and even if in theory it could be we wouldn't want dozens of electrical wires running into everybody's house. [TS]
01:09:26 ◼ ► Only one set of which is ever active at a time because that's the company that people have happened to buy their [TS]
01:09:32 ◼ ► So I really think that that that is the best comparison to what the situation is with the Internet [TS]
01:09:38 ◼ ► and it becomes more understandable about why we have to ensure there are certain protections in this in this area [TS]
01:09:52 ◼ ► and you're creating data like electricity this kind of anonymous same local stuff. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► But yet flows in it a commodity is what it is you know it's you know one watt is just as good as one bit on the [TS]
01:10:09 ◼ ► and the electricity company I guess the difference there was the electricity company can do deals with the electricity [TS]
01:10:18 ◼ ► and dealing going on there you know by this by this many megawatts this year at this price. [TS]
01:10:24 ◼ ► XETRA And that's kind of isn't that kind of what the space is starting today they're starting to say hang on let's [TS]
01:10:34 ◼ ► Netflix and things like that that the only way they can monetize data is is the amount of it [TS]
01:10:41 ◼ ► or the speed of its flow because it's not what you can do it do it with a power station you can't do the same deal with [TS]
01:10:50 ◼ ► Well there's a whole the thing that's weird about this which I think is a strange framing issue [TS]
01:10:55 ◼ ► but it's people talking about Netflix's data for example in the United States taking up a huge amount of the bandwidth. [TS]
01:11:02 ◼ ► Yeah but that's. That's not Netflix is data that is the data that I am trying to download from Netflix. [TS]
01:11:11 ◼ ► We see internet connection that I paid for like you are purchasing access to the Internet from your I S P. [TS]
01:11:20 ◼ ► The very notion that that Netflix is sort of getting in the way is just letting you know it's like Netflix isn't [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► People are are are sucking data out of Netflix with the kitten with the connection that they have paid for [TS]
01:11:37 ◼ ► and also the thing that I find particularly galling about this is that the way the data flows on the Internet is that [TS]
01:11:45 ◼ ► you have times it travels like ninety percent of the way to your house through networks that are just unrelated to the [TS]
01:11:56 ◼ ► So they're charging you right to just basically get from the street to your. Front door sometimes where they go. [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► Suddenly it's a huge problem that we have to deliver that quick data Like hey guy this came across a continent [TS]
01:12:10 ◼ ► and you're telling me that suddenly once it gets to my front door it's shockingly expensive to let it get the last [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► thirty feet I mean that's a little a little rich. So that's a problem that I have with this. [TS]
01:12:30 ◼ ► and bands like that's like saying it's not McDonald's fault you know it's that it's the fat Americans buying all the [TS]
01:12:35 ◼ ► burgers but that's true but McDonald's have created a demand for something that causes a problem [TS]
01:12:42 ◼ ► and is not true that sort of Netflix is this you know. Very successful company that is selling video data. [TS]
01:12:54 ◼ ► and then there are space have if if it's causing them all these problems which is a debate to be had. [TS]
01:13:01 ◼ ► Yes that's true because they have two choices they either ramp up the process on the consumers [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and say look if you're going to stop putting all these hamburgers in the pipes you're going to have to pay something [TS]
01:13:18 ◼ ► and here's where again I think the problem is that the Internet just works nothing like out that like anything else the [TS]
01:13:25 ◼ ► but again take it take it back to electricity companies talk about that same same problem right. [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► and there's some infrastructure in place that is supplying all the light bulbs across the country with electricity from [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► and more electrical doo hickeys right that we want to plug into the wall and we have a vacuum cleaner. [TS]
01:14:03 ◼ ► And the electricity companies who are in this analogy the service providers are basically saying that they don't want [TS]
01:14:17 ◼ ► Why or how it was all the all the wires the poles and importantly the power stations. [TS]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and so what they do instead is start charging you based on what it is that you want to plug into the wall forcing everything [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► and all the light bulbs in your house to be dimmer because there's more and more Americans with more [TS]
01:14:46 ◼ ► I can understand that under some circumstances if the demand for light bulbs you know went way up faster than you were [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► OK maybe there's some scenario under which you would theoretically have to do this. [TS]
01:15:01 ◼ ► but the issue here is like as a society what we want to encourage if we want to encourage you electrical company to build [TS]
01:15:08 ◼ ► more power stations so that everybody has more electricity so that they can do more things with that electricity like [TS]
01:15:16 ◼ ► my washing machine like your computer is doing work for you all day long. Society as a whole wants more power. [TS]
01:15:25 ◼ ► And so what you have to do if you're in a situation where markets don't work because normally if there's huge demand [TS]
01:15:31 ◼ ► right in a market that's what markets do great is they are able to fill that demand. [TS]
01:15:36 ◼ ► But if you don't have a situation where markets work you have to make sure that the regulations encourage the creation [TS]
01:15:45 ◼ ► And so if you tell electrical companies look we're not going to let you charge different prices just so you don't have [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► to build a power station you can't do that you have to make sure that they build more power stations so I think that is [TS]
01:16:01 ◼ ► Is there whining and moaning about how full their pipes are with all this data from the Internet. [TS]
01:16:07 ◼ ► Hey Internet providers don't you think this is a good sign that people want more Internet [TS]
01:16:15 ◼ ► and net neutrality is a great kind of regulation that forces them to increase investments in infrastructure. [TS]
01:16:23 ◼ ► If they can if they can start biasing what data they let into your house at what particular speeds. [TS]
01:16:29 ◼ ► The only solution for them is that they have to start building more infrastructure which is what you want as a society [TS]
01:16:35 ◼ ► as a whole because in ten twenty years time I think it's a pretty good prediction that actual data going across the [TS]
01:16:51 ◼ ► We don't want to set up a situation where companies can get away using their same infrastructure forever because they [TS]
01:17:02 ◼ ► and not have to make the investments that we as a society actually want to be made. [TS]
01:17:07 ◼ ► So that's that's where I think the analogy to other other companies just falls down a little bit is because we want to [TS]
01:17:19 ◼ ► So that's that's why we have to keep this net neutrality in place because it acts as an incentive. [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► In addition to just all the fairness issues that come along with net neutrality about biasing one kind of data over [TS]
01:17:37 ◼ ► If you can do it like that if you're going to be using the law as an instrument to make a commercial company do [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Why factory on the edges Why not just say you have to do it you have to build the government is saying the government [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► society is going to make a commercial entity do something they don't want to do. Fair enough. [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Why not just pass a law that if you want to keep if you want to keep the cables you've got to build more infrastructure. [TS]
01:18:08 ◼ ► OK yeah well this is I mean it was such an interesting topic because so many countries handle this in different ways [TS]
01:18:13 ◼ ► and in some places the Internet is basically nationalized in the same way that that some some countries just they build [TS]
01:18:20 ◼ ► all the sewer pipes and they build all the Internet pipes and that's just the way it is. [TS]
01:18:29 ◼ ► The the political sentiment is generally very resistance to having the government directly do things I'm not saying [TS]
01:18:37 ◼ ► that's wrong I'm not saying that's right it depends a lot on the particular situation. [TS]
01:18:40 ◼ ► Yeah but in America you know Americans generally don't like to expand the scope of government. If they don't have to. [TS]
01:18:50 ◼ ► I can imagine a situation where someone said hey you know good idea let's nationalize all the broadband providers. [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► And again I think I think that might be there might be legitimate reasons why you shouldn't do that in a place like [TS]
01:19:07 ◼ ► So I'm just looking at that as as a certain kind of tool that you have to try and and [TS]
01:19:13 ◼ ► and basically as as a as a stick move companies in the right direction if you can't control them if you can't control [TS]
01:19:21 ◼ ► them directly is just force them to do this thing that they don't necessarily want to do. [TS]
01:19:34 ◼ ► and now your existing business is way more profitable because you can charge both your customers more [TS]
01:19:39 ◼ ► and the other companies more and you don't have to make huge infrastructure investments just immediately [TS]
01:19:49 ◼ ► and I have to say I'm quite glad at the moment anyway to be in the U.K. Where there's actual broadband competition. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Was guaranteeing that there is net neutrality in the European Union as well so it's you know thumbs up for Europe on [TS]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Internet policy. Thumbs down to America. I mean unless of course I'm wrong and the F.C.C. [TS]
01:20:16 ◼ ► But since he is apparently a former lobbyist who used to work for Comcast one of the biggest broadband providers. [TS]
01:20:23 ◼ ► I'm not super hopeful that he's going to come out with a pro net neutrality stance so it'll be spun as it'll be spun as [TS]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and use the same fast lane technology talking point that they are that I see on the news everywhere. [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► You know we want to encourage the creation of fast lanes on the internet so blah blah blah that that's that is kind if [TS]
01:20:49 ◼ ► I had to put money on the table I would I would be fairly willing to bet that you might hear the exact phrase fastlane [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► or you know if it goes against how you would like to see what will be the sort of medium term how the problems start to [TS]
01:21:12 ◼ ► manifest themselves for both people in America but for also you as a You Tube you do you feel for yourself. [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► I can say that I am not concerned for me personally in terms of my career because you know we put our videos up on You [TS]
01:21:35 ◼ ► and I'm assuming that Google would be able to pay basically like the ransom money that I as Piers are asking for to make [TS]
01:21:44 ◼ ► So it I think it's a bit of a it's a bit of an overstatement to say that you're worried about You Tube because You Tube [TS]
01:21:53 ◼ ► is is an entity that is connected to an incredibly powerful and relatively wealthy company. So I'm. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► I'm concerned that You Tube is going to go away. I think the bigger issue is it just is stagnation for the Internet. [TS]
01:22:09 ◼ ► In the longer term so I think that this is based on the way the ruling goes you can expect that internet speeds will [TS]
01:22:22 ◼ ► But I think from a customer's perspective the worst thing is it's for someone who's kind of unaware of these issues. [TS]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and if if the Internet service provider is slowing down artificially some websites they're not going to think of my [TS]
01:22:38 ◼ ► They're just going to think that some particular Web site happened to be really slow [TS]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and kind of blame those Web sites precisely because the the blast Web sites come through really fast rate so obviously [TS]
01:22:49 ◼ ► their internet connection is fast. It just so happens that some Web sites are slow. [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► but then we come down to just let commercial realities of life like successful just like everything else in life if [TS]
01:23:08 ◼ ► Will it not be that way with Web sites to the rich Web sites that can pay the ransom. [TS]
01:23:14 ◼ ► A successful and much the same way that successful airlines that have good marketing campaigns become successful [TS]
01:23:26 ◼ ► The Internet goes the way of everything else in life that the successful rise to the top. [TS]
01:23:32 ◼ ► Because in the end they have the means to do it via their success and those that are unsuccessful. [TS]
01:23:41 ◼ ► Yeah I mean when you pose it like that it sounds like the status quo in terms of human society [TS]
01:23:46 ◼ ► but from my perspective the most amazing thing about the Internet is it is this incredible meritocracy that we have [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► People can start little companies or they can just post stuff on the Internet and so many people can see [TS]
01:24:08 ◼ ► and you don't need to pay some kind of gatekeeper to ensure that your new business is able to get the same kind of [TS]
01:24:18 ◼ ► I understand that there are there are a lot of there are always going to be advantages to players with more money. [TS]
01:24:25 ◼ ► So You Tube I know it does invest in a lot of genuine infrastructure to try to make sure that You Tube in particular is [TS]
01:24:38 ◼ ► but it doesn't change the fact that for lots of teeny tiny companies they can make their Web site [TS]
01:24:45 ◼ ► and that that has whatever service it is and it can become incredibly popular in a very short period of time [TS]
01:24:54 ◼ ► and saying oh you're using too much of these pipes. I think that that is just great it's such a meritocracy. [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and that is my concern is that losing net neutrality makes it less meritocratic it reinforces the power of existing [TS]
01:25:16 ◼ ► players more and I don't think that that is good I don't like that kind of influence [TS]
01:25:21 ◼ ► and in the America I never travel is it not inevitable that you know Sure the internet had to settle fairly to a period [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► but if it's going to survive in a capitalist society to capitalist wealth which a lot of the world is eventually people [TS]
01:25:37 ◼ ► are going to get wise and think well hang on You Tube in the in from the rules of capitalism for too long [TS]
01:25:47 ◼ ► Well again it's capitalism for who is capitalism for companies on the internet is nothing but it's nothing [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Services on the Internet companies can start up they compete they are born they die it all happens just an incredible [TS]
01:26:09 ◼ ► The question is do the people who control the plumbing underneath also get to suddenly compete in also not capitalism [TS]
01:26:19 ◼ ► but basically predatory monopoly practices which is the just the shocking dark side of what could happen when you [TS]
01:26:31 ◼ ► but that's what it is where you have someone who has monopoly power over infrastructure [TS]
01:26:37 ◼ ► and is then able to engage in rent seeking behavior from traffic flowing through those pipes that they have absolutely [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► There's no argument that there's capitalism happening at the plumbing level at the level of the app's actual fibres in [TS]
01:26:53 ◼ ► the ground and no more than it's practical to have capitalism on the level of the roads to your house. [TS]
01:27:10 ◼ ► and then also charge different rates to different trucks that want to pass through those tolls even if they are the [TS]
01:27:15 ◼ ► same weight but you know one truck is carrying some goods that the company who controls the toll roads doesn't like. [TS]
01:27:22 ◼ ► and it's not that's not capitalism in any sense of the word so there's two very very different levels here [TS]
01:27:28 ◼ ► and I think you have just super super efficient super interesting market forces on the level that we interact with [TS]
01:27:39 ◼ ► But the level beneath it is it is not possible to have that same kind of level of interaction. [TS]
01:27:45 ◼ ► and also I just have to say here my concern with the American ruling in particular is not so much about the details of [TS]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and particularly in American politics is this is this establishing of a precedent that you can then build upon to make [TS]
01:28:18 ◼ ► but basically it's like companies of worms I espied a worm their way into the situation where they have all of the kind [TS]
01:28:30 ◼ ► They're not responsible for the traffic that flows through their pipes. Then they have all of these legal protections. [TS]
01:28:36 ◼ ► But throughout all of our history those legal protections have come a particular cost [TS]
01:28:40 ◼ ► and now they're trying to work their way out of the costs that we as a society want to impose on them [TS]
01:28:46 ◼ ► and so I just I don't like the precedent setting it. It reminds me of in America the kind of. [TS]
01:28:54 ◼ ► The initial rulings about money as free speech in America and I remember being really frowning my face at that [TS]
01:29:06 ◼ ► but because I thought man that ruling is a horrible precedent that allows things to happen later. [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► but surely once you establish that that money is free speech there's all sorts of other constraints that you eventually [TS]
01:29:31 ◼ ► So if money is just like talking you can't limit how much talking you can do about a can do about a candidate so we [TS]
01:29:40 ◼ ► And that's my concern about the Net Neutrality ruling is I do not want to give the local Internet service providers [TS]
01:29:47 ◼ ► more power to discriminate either in favor or less in favor of the data that is flowing through their pipes. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► President that the companies are allowed to have some kind of control about what flowing through those wires. [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► and that is one thing that I mean I loved your video but that's one thing I really took from VI's video. [TS]
01:30:19 ◼ ► Yes that's a hit that hit home with me when I sit and formulate any argument you know for the dark side here [TS]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and think well maybe we don't need net neutrality as soon as that common carrier issue comes up the argument falls to [TS]
01:30:40 ◼ ► Eleven minutes not long by my standards but it's quite long for a You Tube video but if you stick with video [TS]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and get that common carrier part that's a real general killer issue it won't spoil anything here [TS]
01:30:53 ◼ ► but one of the examples she uses which I think is very illustrative is. The airlines are classified as common carriers. [TS]
01:31:02 ◼ ► Yes And what that means is that airline airlines have to sell tickets to just whoever is buying airline tickets they're [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► not allowed to discriminate against employees of one particular company or another particular company [TS]
01:31:16 ◼ ► and one of the benefits of being a common carrier is that you are not responsible for whatever the people are doing [TS]
01:31:28 ◼ ► So if people are using your airplane to commit a crime that they're getting from one location to another location that [TS]
01:31:34 ◼ ► they need to you is the airplane company are not responsible for that. Yeah and it's actually really came up from. [TS]
01:31:44 ◼ ► when I was doing so my research was originally that came from telegraph companies in the United States [TS]
01:31:49 ◼ ► and the whole the whole idea of the common carrier came from there which was that telegraph companies were accepting [TS]
01:32:02 ◼ ► and send their messages to their competitor who was paying to hear all of the correspondence that that their their [TS]
01:32:24 ◼ ► and if that if that means if someone is willing to pay us to send them a copy of all the communications from particular [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► And the court stepped in and said no you cannot do that you have to treat all of these messages the same [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► And that's that's the same kind of rule to apply to the Internet is to say you are a common carrier of data. [TS]
01:32:50 ◼ ► And one of the benefits of that means that again if people were using the Telegraph to plan their bank robbery you the [TS]
01:32:56 ◼ ► telegraph company are not complicit in that you were not helping them conspire because you have to treat all the [TS]
01:33:02 ◼ ► messages the same that's the benefit of you the telegraph company get so it's the common carrier thing is in the come [TS]
01:33:13 ◼ ► You're supposed to use this phrase to say we would like you to classify Internet service service providers as a class [TS]
01:33:19 ◼ ► two common carrier in the United States which comes with all of these kinds of responsibilities [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► but also these these freedoms from being complicit in what's actually traveling through your network. [TS]
01:33:30 ◼ ► I would think if you're an Internet service provider you know you don't want to be responsible for anything going [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► through those pipes because it's just terrifying what people might actually be doing on the Internet. [TS]
01:33:43 ◼ ► but I don't want to toe the line in some other aspects of US So yeah yeah that's exactly it. [TS]
01:33:49 ◼ ► Well hopefully next time we talk about this we'll be talking about it wasn't as bad as we thought. [TS]
01:34:03 ◼ ► but it is because I look at the structure of the way that this was set up. The F.C.C. [TS]
01:34:08 ◼ ► Is not it is not a democratic body. You can't you don't elect people to the F.C.C. [TS]
01:34:16 ◼ ► and you know they don't necessarily have any any meaningful accountability to the general public [TS]
01:34:25 ◼ ► and so I have a tiny glimmer of hope in that they pre-announced their announcements they said we are going to announce [TS]
01:34:35 ◼ ► Meantime we're opening it up to a public inquiry taking the temperature that that is that is my only glimmer of hope is [TS]
01:34:51 ◼ ► My hope is that they felt there was there was enough Ryle meant to warrant maybe not doing what they were going to do. [TS]
01:34:58 ◼ ► Actually I was tracking I used your el tracker to see how many people clicked on the link in my video to go to the [TS]
01:35:03 ◼ ► F.C.C. and Of course I can't know how many people filled in the form which the F.C.C. [TS]
01:35:08 ◼ ► Goes way out of its way to scare you into not doing and it makes it super user unfriendly [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► but at the time of the recording about fifty thousand people at least clicked the link in my video to go to the F.C.C. [TS]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Yeah that's kind of that's slightly My guess is well it may be one in a hundred would fill out the actual form [TS]
01:35:30 ◼ ► but you know I can't I can't know that I I don't know what the results are but I am not optimistic. I expect the F.C.C. [TS]
01:35:38 ◼ ► To just have some some opening line in their statement about how we really listen to what you said [TS]
01:35:45 ◼ ► So our regulation changes today are to encourage a better Internet with new fast lanes for you to get you know the [TS]
01:35:53 ◼ ► content that you want as fast as it can be delivered and yeah that's that's basically what I expect to do well. [TS]
01:36:04 ◼ ► I feel a bit like I didn't give you much of a hard time and make you duck and wave [TS]
01:36:14 ◼ ► and yet And yet it might not work out I work out there are a couple of things off topic though I think we should point [TS]
01:36:27 ◼ ► and oh you know I wasn't feeling one hundred percent but well enough to broadcast them. [TS]
01:36:33 ◼ ► I've never realized of the Court of the whole thing on my printed microphone on the computer [TS]
01:36:37 ◼ ► and not my big push microphone I was asking about the microphones in the beginning. [TS]
01:36:44 ◼ ► All right well we have to retroactively apologized to the people for your terrible audio quality then I'm sorry man [TS]
01:36:50 ◼ ► and I was addressing to you as well I feel really bad I like. I realized about fifty minutes ago and. [TS]
01:37:01 ◼ ► or later I will I will be doing the whole thing talking into my laptop microphone I'll sound terrible one day so don't [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► worry it's going to have everything was this was the first time I didn't do the backup recording on to the camera with [TS]
01:37:19 ◼ ► It's really no really mad at me and I know that I don't and I don't even understand how I would be mad. [TS]
01:37:25 ◼ ► Gosh I can understand. Can I explain one last thing at that net neutrality as well. Yeah you know what. [TS]
01:37:32 ◼ ► In much the same way I think copyright infringement is the wrong time. I think net neutrality is a bad guy. [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► Yeah it's a really it's a I mean it couldn't be a more neutral less provocative to try to see even got the word neutral [TS]
01:37:51 ◼ ► in that. Yeah they thought that was a mistake by or genius depending on who came up with that. [TS]
01:38:08 ◼ ► He is pro net neutrality and I should have called it something different and because well terrible things of Kona. [TS]
01:38:13 ◼ ► Yes but of if I can just just point out I skimmed through the original paper that came across the chart [TS]
01:38:19 ◼ ► and the paper was just a technical paper talking talking about a particular property of certain networks. [TS]
01:38:37 ◼ ► Someone was just trying to have a useful technical term to describe certain kinds of networks and in that circumstance. [TS]
01:38:44 ◼ ► Net neutrality is is a great term but I completely agree with you and I've been in discussions online [TS]
01:38:51 ◼ ► and in real life with people I I have found that everybody has a hard time with this term. [TS]
01:38:56 ◼ ► Even people who are technically oriented very easily have run into this issue of M I five for net neutrality [TS]
01:39:13 ◼ ► and all the times I very intentionally tried to structure the sentence so that it was super clear that you should be [TS]
01:39:26 ◼ ► and I think it starts with a you know an important part of the way the Internet works. Net neutrality. [TS]
01:39:32 ◼ ► But for most of the video I went with I was thinking about you know what can I say instead [TS]
01:39:45 ◼ ► but it's not it's still not as true doesn't grab me by the throat the way that free dating does. [TS]
01:39:54 ◼ ► and almost like fair night maybe fairness and I'm not going to happen just slightly here. The more the. [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► About freebooting the less I like it I hate to tell you this morning about three women less alike [TS]
01:40:07 ◼ ► But somebody proposed the alternative view jacking which I am the more I think about it I'm way more in favor of the [TS]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and freebooting so I don't I don't think it is sounds too much like some rubbish sort of eighty's maybe I mean I know [TS]
01:40:24 ◼ ► I don't mean to split the vote on this just so briefly after you made it into the urban dictionary [TS]
01:40:33 ◼ ► But the more I think about it I think freebooting has the same kind of thing which is my fourth freebooting I like free [TS]
01:40:38 ◼ ► stuff and that net neutrality has which is again like O M I for the neutral thing. [TS]
01:40:44 ◼ ► Nor am I against the neutral thing it is it is not a good term politically and data quality is not the greatest [TS]
01:40:52 ◼ ► but it's better data not fairness I don't know maybe we can ask the listeners if they're still listening since we're [TS]
01:41:04 ◼ ► and if they can hear what I'm saying on this microphone I apologize apologize gray. [TS]