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00:00:00   comfortable number 203 july 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/0">TS</a>]

00:00:13   welcome back to the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   podcast I'm your host Jason Snell up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   november of last year we spent some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   talking about Doctor Who on the occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   of the 50th anniversary of dr. who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23   it's a show that I love I love the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   series when I was in in high school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   I love the new series now and we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   great reaction from it and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   people were talking about where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   should get started if you're new doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/35">TS</a>]

00:00:36   who and also just we're interested in us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   talking more about it and while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/38">TS</a>]

00:00:39   fabric is not a doctor who podcast we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   talk about it we've done our flash cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   about the new series as the episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   have aired and in the interim because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   the new series isn't coming back for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   another month and a half or so as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   record this I thought it would be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   time to talk about Doctor Who a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55   more so we're going to talk about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   to get started with Doctor Who and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58   also going to talk about the russell t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   davies Sarah which is the 2005 to 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/60">TS</a>]

00:01:04   but only if you count new years day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/64">TS</a>]

00:01:07   2010 era of the show so probably will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   say five years the first five years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   the of the relaunch of the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   joining me are actually I believe RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   same panel of Doctor Who experts and / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   fans / people that we had in November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   for the 50th anniversary episode we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   caught in the time loop that's right by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   voice you just heard its chips under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29   host of the 2-minute Time Lord podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   and co-host of the audio guide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   Babylon 5 hi chip welcome back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   hey thanks for having me back i enjoy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   it's good to have you here will go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   longer than two minutes again so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/100">TS</a>]

00:01:41   know again you get to spread your wings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   don't talk so fast slow it down a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   and soak a working with Erica on the b5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   podcast i am flexing my muscles I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   exercising I'm hydrating I'm ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   yeah that my guests can often be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   know for 57 minutes long or longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/116">TS</a>]

00:02:00   uh Erica and sign you mentioned you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   mentioned her and she is also here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   because again the Babylon 5 podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/124">TS</a>]

00:02:07   she's with you and your wife Shannon on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   the audio guide to Babylon 5 but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   one of the hosts of of the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   nominated Verity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   accounts which is a doctor podcast hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   hello and I'm unplugging everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   tonight apparently think that's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   i just i still it still makes me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22   just shake my head a little bit when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   say hero nominated i know i'm just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   keep saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26   I am honored and it's awesome but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   still makes me feel weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29   yeah at least I didn't say her like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   is not in paul Cornell's Hugo nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   comic book this is also true and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/154">TS</a>]

00:02:38   laughter you hear you know I'm you love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   and you can't live without him and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/160">TS</a>]

00:02:41   you follow him on twitter you can't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   with him it's glenn freshman hi this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   an excellent reduction we get the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   feeling like there should be thin man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   and i just have like a giant glass of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   sugar before we got on the air so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/171">TS</a>]

00:02:55   ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/175">TS</a>]

00:02:56   I can't say I'm happy to be here yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   just to get how do you get how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   get pumped up to the doctor who episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/180">TS</a>]

00:03:01   so so let's get started by talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/181">TS</a>]

00:03:05   where where people should get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   because i think that's a good way in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   then if people haven't watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   russell t davies here yet they can they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   can tune out and if they want to and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   come back to that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17   conversation later but it was definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/197">TS</a>]

00:03:19   something i heard over and over again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21   november when everybody's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   the 50th and when our episode posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/202">TS</a>]

00:03:25   that a lot of people who are so casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   sci-fi fans and don't have heard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/207">TS</a>]

00:03:28   it and and something we going to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31   before we got started the intimidation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/211">TS</a>]

00:03:32   of 50 years of history and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   about how do i get caught up in all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   continuity and what should I learn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/217">TS</a>]

00:03:38   other episodes i should use sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   putting a modern TV series question on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43   something like Doctor Who that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   you just can't he can't compare this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   not the kind of thing that you must go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   back to episode 1 and of of 1964 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   their 1963 and go from there it's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   can't do it so I'm curious i wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/235">TS</a>]

00:03:59   thing on the internet about this too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   you know there was no right answer i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/241">TS</a>]

00:04:02   just curious in your past or what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/242">TS</a>]

00:04:05   would do now if somebody came up to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/245">TS</a>]

00:04:06   and said how do i get started with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/246">TS</a>]

00:04:07   doctor who you know what would be your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   prescription if it's somebody who's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   just they're curious and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   interested in you want to share your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/253">TS</a>]

00:04:14   love the show but they just don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   where to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/256">TS</a>]

00:04:16   chip what do you think I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   paradoxically because we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21   ready to talk about the recipe Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   here which is my favorite era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   I'd have to say that the best jumping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/264">TS</a>]

00:04:27   point is the episode that said goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   to the russell t davies Sarah and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   the eleventh hour show run by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   current producer Steven Moffat it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/275">TS</a>]

00:04:39   you a bit of the history but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   fantastic stand-alones all in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   episode that introduces a new doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/284">TS</a>]

00:04:47   introduces a whole new status quo which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   means it's a perfect stuff jumping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   point with no baggage to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/291">TS</a>]

00:04:55   really that's interesting i made I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   reference to that in a blog post that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00   wrote and people had some people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   like what are you crazy and I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   hadn't meant to recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   I I that wasn't my recommendation i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   said it was a possible starting off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   point but uh I do wonder because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   was from 2010 I do wonder as time goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16   if that is going to be more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   consensus jumping on point only because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   it won't seem you know it won't seem as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24   old it is five years newer in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   the look and that special effects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   all that and I worry if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   introducing somebody to the show that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/329">TS</a>]

00:05:30   you make them go too far back they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   even get turned off by things feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   dated I'm not sure 2005 feels dated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   much at this point but there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   be a time if not now there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/339">TS</a>]

00:05:40   a time and the eleventh hour has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   baggage with it but it is it also has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   lot going for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   I have I have two words for you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   whether the 2005 first episode feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/350">TS</a>]

00:05:55   dated garbage bin yeah one additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   word burp he know that was but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   that was bad then this that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/361">TS</a>]

00:06:04   difference between something that's data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   and something that's mean yeah I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   and we're going to talk about the rtd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/368">TS</a>]

00:06:09   era in general here too but thatthat's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   there is there's some weird tone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   didn't know what they were doing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   didn't even know how to make that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17   when they made those episodes and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   can see it's all over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   looking back you can see all the good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   it but it's certainly not of the level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   of quality and consistency that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   with something like the eleventh hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   that the start of the Steven Moffat era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   where it is it's an HD if the effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/390">TS</a>]

00:06:33   are our great it is beautifully shot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   cinematography the show's never looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/397">TS</a>]

00:06:37   and it's got a new doctor a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   companion so there's no baggage or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   history so it's not as if there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   crossover companion from the like with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   david tennant's first episode it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   it's a clean slate and I and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/407">TS</a>]

00:06:52   evidence in the growing fandom in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   u.s. to matt smith suggest that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   people kind of discovered it when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   went to BBC america and Matt Smith came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   on board so i think a lot of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   used that as a jumping-off point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   know it's not even just a clean slate as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   far as the doctor and the companion but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   behind the scenes it's practically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09   clean slate as well you have not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   the showrunner changing over with matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   smith but a lot of the other producers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   and and folks behind the scenes so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   just as has happened many times in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   past and doctor who you really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   starting over a little bit still the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   same character but it's not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   character and I think that that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   one of the best places to jump on it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   and that is also one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   challenges in getting somebody into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   show is that doctor who has been so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   shows over the years it's really hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/457">TS</a>]

00:07:41   get a modern-day new viewer to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/461">TS</a>]

00:07:45   classic series to try it's so hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   get people to give any classic series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   try when you've got modern show as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/470">TS</a>]

00:07:54   has a different example as a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   option you've got the modern show that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/476">TS</a>]

00:07:57   filmed in widescreen and has decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/477">TS</a>]

00:08:00   special effects and all that so doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   who is all kinds of different shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   where to start i would say start as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/485">TS</a>]

00:08:09   early as you can with something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   resembles what's on TV now and for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14   that's the eleventh hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/494">TS</a>]

00:08:15   well i would take a different stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   just so that I'm not saying the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   thing as everyone else I have more mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/499">TS</a>]

00:08:20   feelings about the Matt Smith era I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   not as big a massive fan although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   really liked him a lot of episodes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   felt like the writing has been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   uneven in the Mafia era and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/507">TS</a>]

00:08:31   it's upset feel like a total wash to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   and so my dubiousness about getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/513">TS</a>]

00:08:36   people to start with 11th hour although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   I agree with everything all three of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/517">TS</a>]

00:08:38   say about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   it's a different era I feel like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   we're talking about and you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   the Russell different do not talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   Russell Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   exactly right now but i think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   want to say why did this garner so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   interest that have been exploded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/531">TS</a>]

00:08:52   continue to grow into what was the math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/532">TS</a>]

00:08:55   smitha i would say let me be provocative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/535">TS</a>]

00:08:58   and say Christmas invasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   alright because it's a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   break so I i love Chris Eccleston I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   think he did a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   he totally reinterpreted what the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   was about while remaining entirely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   the tradition of it and we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   that i think a year ago but like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   maniacal smile he could come up with was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   so Tom Baker it was it was like a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   homage to it was his own thing and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/558">TS</a>]

00:09:21   thought Chris Eccleston an amazing job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   and I loved many of his episodes are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   are terrific and my favorites but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   the whole bad wolf are can return the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   Daleks always so but that said I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   david tennant was more approachable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   reachable I think the stories started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   get more sophisticated and if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/576">TS</a>]

00:09:37   started with Christmas invasion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   eventually circle back to eccleston the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   Christmas invasion then they go to New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   Earth which is an interesting bizarre i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   mean your plot holes aside let's to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   what you have to say with dr. we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/587">TS</a>]

00:09:48   worry about some of the plot issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   without the words that calls back but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   it's also great to think law is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   I don't know what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   glad when I get a horrible infection i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   hope the people spray colorful liquid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   me to secure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   I don't know what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/603">TS</a>]

00:10:04   it's true sure that's I'd like to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   locked up in cells and cured and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   garfield over here then you get a school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   reunion which we get Sarah Jane back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   anyone who knew about the old series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/612">TS</a>]

00:10:13   because it ain't enough we get Mickey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   back and we started making integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   weed girl in the fireplace and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   Cybermen and then I think you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   season goes on and I think it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   strong season so if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/622">TS</a>]

00:10:23   tell somebody what the scope of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   Davis area and the sort of new thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   about I think this tells a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   stories and girl the fireplace of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   I think it's one of the best episodes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   the modern modern run so I like some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/633">TS</a>]

00:10:37   the others quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/637">TS</a>]

00:10:38   Wow my eyes just rolled in the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   my head there you don't think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/640">TS</a>]

00:10:44   as we revealed in the episode november [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   that is one of my very very favorite new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   series episodes but you know doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   is an amazing yeah we were all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   diametrically opposed to an orphan black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   episodes so you know it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   different strokes but this is good we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   give people multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   entrance points to so I wanted to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   on that just for a second to say i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   it's i think it's not a bad idea i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   i think it's a less bumpy ride then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   then the the Christopher Eccleston's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   season there's a moment in tooth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   claw new earth is is a strange episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   there's a moment in tooth and claw where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/674">TS</a>]

00:11:17   I turned to my wife we're watching I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/677">TS</a>]

00:11:18   said they figured out how to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   show because like I said the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21   season was kinda in and out and strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   and in tooth and claw I'm like oh they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   got it they are confident and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   you know it's a working confident they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   figured it out and yeah well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   argument right but it's like competently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   produced they kind of know what tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   they're going for it it's not a shaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   season as the first season is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   but it's still got some issues it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   as farting aliens that that's for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   that's the big problem is that although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   i think you should start with Rose I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   think that is the you should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   right answer but the problem is unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   you are reaching somebody who is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/711">TS</a>]

00:11:52   committed to this if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   curious i worry about turning out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   Rose because they're going to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   fighting aliens really fast and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   they've got the long game I there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   there's a run of weak weak episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   before it kind of picks up at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   my doctor is david tennant on baker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   david tennant are my two doctors so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   really feels my bias which is why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   would say that's part of why I give that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   extra point even though i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/736">TS</a>]

00:12:17   Eccleston's and I I think matt smith is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   great said scripting aside like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   say don't watch the mat smith episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   or whatever but it's you have to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   think it's jason saying much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/745">TS</a>]

00:12:26   committed to the series before you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   back and watch echoes thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   you're watching with the more jaundiced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   eye and then the Smith series starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/750">TS</a>]

00:12:33   with that are so different in appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   that they could make everything before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   it seemed really 1980s almost yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/757">TS</a>]

00:12:40   there's so much content after that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   know if you if you start them with matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   smith there's lots and lots of matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   smith episodes to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47   I think it's dangerous to sort of try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   come up with a one-size-fits-all entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   point i think if it's a a co-worker or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   an acquaintance you don't know very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   then maybe the eleventh hour is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   the smartest one to go with but if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   somebody that you actually kind of know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01   a little bit take into account with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   their personality is like are they the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   kind of a nerd that is willing to commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   and will actually sit through the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   that you see in the first season first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   series because the neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   case I think Rose is a good place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   jump in but if it's somebody who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   wants to be on the train right away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/796">TS</a>]

00:13:19   be able to watch the new episodes as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/799">TS</a>]

00:13:20   they come out i mean like you said we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   only about a month and a half away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   the new seasons starting and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   somebody that's gonna want to be caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/806">TS</a>]

00:13:27   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/807">TS</a>]

00:13:28   maybe he's telling to wait and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/808">TS</a>]

00:13:29   start right now because there is no bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   place to start with Doctor Who I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   think every night I know people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/814">TS</a>]

00:13:35   started in all kinds of crazy ways and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   have become really huge fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   well the first episode I saw was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   power of Kroll and i'm still here so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   know a number of people on Twitter said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   they started with wrote they said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46   right I'm gonna binge-watch this i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   started with rose and then I stopped and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50   I'm like all like it's not that Rose is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   a terrible episode it's got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   great stuff in it and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   vulnerability and strength that Billie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   Piper has i think is shown in that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   episode Eccleston's sort of like he's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02   find the character in that episode even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   if the show is the clunky I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   great final episode but if people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/846">TS</a>]

00:14:07   saying i watched rose and then I stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   like okay that's if you if you give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   there you're way too early there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   know now 8 years 9 years beyond that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   much of witches is better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   episode even the same season you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   gonna find stuff better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21   episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/861">TS</a>]

00:14:21   yeah if you're really invested in being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   on board right away but you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   to just jump in i would suggest starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   with the probably the Clara episodes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   maybe you know the snowman or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   like that might that's where my sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/873">TS</a>]

00:14:34   started actually with a snowman and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   enjoyed it so much that she went all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   way back to Rose and is almost all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   way wrapped around and caught up and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   plans to be all the way through the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/882">TS</a>]

00:14:43   of the mat smith ones she hadn't seen by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   the time the new one starts with Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   Capaldi and that that brought her in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   that's a nice that's a nice approach i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   tried to evangelize my brother on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/891">TS</a>]

00:14:54   thing I talked about it on my podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/894">TS</a>]

00:14:55   two-minute timelord 336 and the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/895">TS</a>]

00:14:59   was that here i am saying that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/899">TS</a>]

00:15:03   fantastic show you should watch it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   the universal truth of brothers is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   you like something your brother is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09   predisposed to hate it so i kept I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/909">TS</a>]

00:15:13   rose and he was it the the burping trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/913">TS</a>]

00:15:17   bin that was it i tried blink and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/917">TS</a>]

00:15:22   know you're in trouble when the up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/922">TS</a>]

00:15:26   objection to the episode is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   people running and being chased by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   creature things bye-bye pokey creature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   things which is the which is in doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/933">TS</a>]

00:15:37   whose DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38   yeah yeah there it doesn't show of lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   of running in aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   well I do like they did they ran like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   they ran with it sorry in the modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   series that there's just that joke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/946">TS</a>]

00:15:47   what did you say I said run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   what did he say to you he said run what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/949">TS</a>]

00:15:50   do you say run run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   ok alright well now we're just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53   that we're just going to say we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   gonna be coy this is what the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   about the one episode that finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   seemed to stick with him was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   doctor's wife but that is a horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   episode for showing somebody that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   haven't already tried to get them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07   with a few episodes before and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   requires a bit of appreciation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   series in the first place so this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   going to be one of my questions is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   approach of trying to pick cherry-pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   episodes versus trying to just say look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   start here and and and binge-watch which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   we can do now and if if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23   holding your hand saying all right we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24   gonna watch this one together and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   gonna ask you questions afterward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   then we'll see where we go from here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/987">TS</a>]

00:16:28   which you could do if your prescribed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   like you will you do with your brother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   which is we're just gonna watch blink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   and I've heard a lot of people say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/993">TS</a>]

00:16:34   would show people I would show people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   blink which I find strange because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   although I do love that episode I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   it's a great episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/999">TS</a>]

00:16:40   it's also so not a doctor who episode in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   so many ways it's so-so off format from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   the series that I'm not sure what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   proves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   other than that it's a weird time travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:51   I i wrote a blog post on this once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   myself just about how it really is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56   excellent example of writing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   grabs you and it just it shows you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   what the show can do if you let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   person know at the outset that it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   of an outlier I i think at the end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   most of the people I've shown it to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:08   been so excited that they were like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   I i want to see more and then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   willing to buy in and willing to put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   with a burping trash bins in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   fighting aliens because they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   there's something like this on around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   lots of body functions that forgot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:22   a doctor here that's for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:23   I wonder actually come to think of it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   Smith and Jones the third season over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   there isn't a bad it isn't a bad opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   gambit in terms of it it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:35   self-contained it introduces a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   companion which means that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   is to introduce the doctor and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:43   got good characters it's got some goofy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:46   high-concept stuff like a hospital on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   the minute moon i love the creepy creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   alien she's great you know robo whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   whoa whoa no no you know i know i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   i'm just doing some june because i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   get the lady with the straw old lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   with the strong she was great everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:01   like my son still talks about her that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   actress was just on TV when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   flipping through my god it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   but now is the thing that is most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   terrifying but now it's like old women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   and guys and motorcycle outfits and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:13   grabbed him and suck your blood like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   that's much worse than you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   chameleons yeah check out last tango in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   halifax if you want to see what she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:20   doing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   cool she's great one of the reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:24   I'm suggesting that is that it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   it's sort of proto doctor who and if in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:30   the person watching it is going to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   if the rest of the show is for them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   not because they can either deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   the hospital on the moon or they can it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   right and it's it's I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   constructed as I I think Russell T Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43   get a lot of thought to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   introductory episodes and and viewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   them as being landing point starting off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   points44 new viewers and actually one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:54   the nice things about Smith and Jones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:55   is that the the time travel element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   doesn't isn't there to complicate things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:00   in fact it's only there in a gag which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:03   is a smart gag because it shows that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:06   does have a time machine but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   the point of the episode it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   all twisted around it's just he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:11   back and takes off his tie and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   proves that he has a time machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   and so it doesn't over it doesn't throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:16   too much in the bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17   it's like a little wild adventure where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   she Martha proves her Worth and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   the doctor saves the day and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   some weird aliens and you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   know any continuity and that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:30   a good one that's a good one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:31   yeah I can see that because it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:32   more earth is a very different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   Martha as a character I I I never fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37   in love with Martha but I appreciated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39   her and I appreciate when she came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   as well because she's that she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   professional she's very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   she's got a firm point your life she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   doctor about to become a doctor and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   becomes doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50   and her expertise is useful and also her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53   you know she's much more of an immediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   equal especially the modern series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   so uh for people who are thinking oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   this is about pretty women who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   helpless which the show isn't about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   anyway but it has that perception of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   find this young woman like Rose the bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   more the best lines in the whole reboot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   is when Sarah Jane in in school reunion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   when she says she says oh you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   keep getting that younger and so today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:15   or something like hammer the exact line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   right and it's like all want to burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   through and she's got blue and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:22   like and that and that's realize like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   what the shows that the graphics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   about televisions changed to so so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:29   I think I think dr. Smith is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   place to come in other are there other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   individual episodes which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35   cherry-pick or would you just go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   would you go for you know you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   really watch this and take the ride and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41   watching season cuz it's really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   because all these seasons i can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44   the list here and think oh man you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:47   yeah that that's what we'll start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   Christmas invasion point that Cyberman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   to partner is really not good or I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:53   at the Martha season I think all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   Dalek to put those two partners in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56   middle boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:57   oh that's rough stuff right so you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   you can't unless you're making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   playlist for them literally you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   either choose to expose them to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   good episodes or just chuck them in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:06   starting point and say write it out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   know there's gonna be good and bad it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:10   a TV show it's got good and bad but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   just wondering about the idea the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   intelligence of of the strategy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   cherry-picking and saying when you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   blink why don't you watch the girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   the fireplace except not Erica what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   no wonder why don't you watch I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   know the father's day planet of the food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   i would call out i know it's a weird one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   but planet viewed it takes place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   somewhere else they don't travel i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:32   it doesn't get the time there this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   know space and time thing as much but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   brings up a lot of ethical issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:38   there's a giant throbbing brain there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   you know some like a mystery there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   things going totally arriving this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   it's a lot of running around it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   good but it's on it's got a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   surprise reveal at the end and it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   gotten catherine tate Donna has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   confront the fact that there's all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   suffering and the doctor season as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   Israel to run toward suffering to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   those whatever and when he gives her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   that telepathic link so that she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:04   hear the birds singing and she's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   need to go home I can't deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:07   and then the coming around by the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   she realizes how important it is and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   she needs to be there like as a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   episode I don't know if you would know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   enough to watch it but I think it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   a free-standing arc that doesn't involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   say all the time lords in the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   and the time or it's really about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   food and and empathy time to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   brief break to tell you about ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   we don't have a sponsor this week so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   instead i want to tell you a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:30   about what's going on the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   first off if you haven't listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:34   random track the new podcast hosted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   our very own Scott McNulty check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   the incomparable dot-com / random track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:43   we've got episodes up there with guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   such as is too jaan Steve let's John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   molds Greg moss Dave chalo serenity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   Caldwell Dan Morgan and me also total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:55   party kill our Dungeons and Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56   podcast is back for a new season we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:00   got a new cast of characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   started a couple of weeks ago if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   like to listen two friends play Dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   and Dragons on the internet for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   amusement the incomparable calm / tpk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   for total party kill Lex Friedman and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   mourner still watching movies that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   haven't seen before that are classics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   yet they haven't seen them on not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:17   playing you can get that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   uncomfortable calm / not playing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:23   that's about it for now i only had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   other note which is some of you who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:28   subscribed to the incomparable plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   after dark feed on five-by-five may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:33   discovered that you no longer have after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   dark sore as we call them that bonus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   tracks in your podcast feed you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   transferred to the wrong feet if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   to the website you can resubscribe by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   itunes there are a lot of ways to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   but incomparable plus bonus track is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   available if you want to get back on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   crazy extras route in addition to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   regular episodes and while you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   at the incomparable comm check out our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   master feed it's also on itunes will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   you everything we do in one feed thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   for listening and thanks to myself for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   sponsoring being comfortable before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   we shift gears to talk about Russell T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:08   Davis more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:08   specifically I wanted to ask this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   question which is if somebody says I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   I've watched the new series and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   it but I'm curious about the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:18   it I there's still this history that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   know nothing about before 2005 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:24   should I you know i'm i'm intrigued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   about going back behind that wall that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   behind which we don't speak of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   back there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:31   what would you tell them where we how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   would you point somebody at the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   series if they were in you know curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:39   about about that and they know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   current series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42   what do you say who i have a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   answer for this actually a a good friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:47   of chips in mind Eric stagnant who is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   the doctor who the writers room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   Doctor Who book club podcast he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   back in 2012 blog post called an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:58   letter and it sort of aimed it at new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   doctor who fans who are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   conventions for the first time and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   want to be able to at least understand a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   little bit of the background of doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08   who and he listed a bunch just in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:12   of transmission I can remember exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   how many have some something like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   dozen maybe slightly more episodes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   stories from the classic series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:22   reasons why they are sort of important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   within the canon of Doctor Who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   slight descriptions of them so i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   point people at that and just say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   know read through these see which ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   seem to strike your fancy and maybe try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   one of those because they really are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   good selection of of episodes that are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:39   don't know how important is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   right word but they're ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   well enough known that that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   stuck in that the Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   consciousness over the years and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   kinds of things that you should be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   to the most classic fans will have have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   seen and remember enough to to converse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   with you about so that's where i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   tell people to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:57   yeah it's it really is sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59   cannon in the proper sense like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   the the most important books out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:05   out of the whole library that are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:08   touchpoints you don't have to go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   power of coal but you do have to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:13   city of death that sort of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:17   it's also you know my go-to episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   classic doctor who is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   remembrance of the Daleks which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   Sylvester McCoy episode the first full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   episode where Sophie altered disease is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   the companion i love that episode but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:33   love it kinda for the wrong reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:34   because it is one of the episodes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   holds up the best as far as modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   production styles and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   it's got the pacing and the humor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:45   things like that it feels it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:48   modern and most of Doctor Who from 1963 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:52   2 1989 is anything but modern so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:58   it's it's hard it's almost like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   you're taking these new fans who watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   the new show and then you're giving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   a history project and you can run you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:09   can render the same problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   classic series as you do with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:12   series like something like blink is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   of an outlier but it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   a lot of people say with a classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   series start with something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   city of death which is totally yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   know Douglas Adams it's got John Cleese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   in it is that you know in a cameo and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   maybe it's not exactly the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   representative know it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   brilliant but it is totally not a fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   for the rest of the structure that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   you're looking at that many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   there's no such as i mean there's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   no such thing as something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   actually representative because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   changed even more times in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   series has already you know city of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   death I I think about pyramids Mars is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:47   another one that I think of which is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   all I mean nothing is representative but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   it's it's pretty good even now it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   lot of it's on film it's kind of creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   but it but the other problem is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   format and people aren't used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   watching these episodes that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   know or stories that are for 25 or 6 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04   minute long episodes and they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   that they're long and the pacing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   weird and it does not feel like a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:13   show cause it's very much not a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   show and that can be that can be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   challenge for for everybody you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   then a related to that is possibly an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   even bigger challenge that both classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   and the modern series have is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   are targeted at a family audience there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:29   are a lot of people have slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   advanced ages like ourselves who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   r into doctor who either because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   discovered it when we were kids or we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   just got that sort of childlike sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40   wonder to borrow star trek line so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   that's to that lifestyle my childlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   sweater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   iight yeah but that was the big problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   when I tried to sell my brother on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   he's into ECM to proper SF and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:54   watched a couple of these before i hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   on the fact all right that's right this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:58   is family television this is intended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   be suitable for adults and kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:04   that's that is something really unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:07   to british television to it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:10   something that you see a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   here and people don't know how to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:13   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:13   it's a panto tradition right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   the than that that's for adults and four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   kids but adults get into it when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   grow up they all go and they sad but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   well you know this training long and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   well there's just this constitute the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   BBC is a public servant that is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   to reach all these different audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:27   including something that the concept of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   tea time television which you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:31   American TV the the junk that littered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   four o'clock five o'clock television was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   you know is syndicated the old sitcoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   and old reruns of Star Trek and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   like that it was a it was not a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   where you crafted programming it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   just kind of the junk that went on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   before you got to the real stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   primetime and and the BBC had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   commitment historically to tea time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53   programming for family and that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   different thing than america i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   mention before we move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:58   Graham Burke and Robert Smith's book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   whose 50 which erica recommended i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:05   maybe even back on that episode november [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:06   and i have read it and it is excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   the 50 Doctor Who stories your watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   before you die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11   not a bad thing if you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   interested in exploring because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   some new series episodes and lots of old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   series episodes and they're not all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   essays are great and it is also funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   because it is they're not good they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   just once you should see and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   interesting an interesting take two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   they frequently disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   oh yeah the merits of those episodes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:30   that's really important for a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:33   exploring the show to see is that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   there is no one episode that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   hates or love it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   with the possible exception of the twin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   dilemma i like the 20mm up my mom likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   the twin dilemma so there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:47   related that Cindy you know i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50   around my family obviously and and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   people most right-thinking people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   the girl in the fireplace but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   we all have our some people like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58   of time acts like a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   yeah Glenn I love ya writers so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:05   let's let's talk a little bit we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   with that with our remaining you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   half hour-ish about about the russell t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:12   davies Sarah yeah laughs yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   therefore the next the next five hours i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   telephone begins now let's go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   tote board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19   I talking talking about the the russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:23   t davies here and we should start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:24   the first season with christopher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   eccleston it's not exactly John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   Syracuse's style opening statement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:29   Glenn said earlier that he felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:32   Moffett area was a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:33   uneven as far as the writing goes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   think it's worth noting before we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   talking about the rtd era that I from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   from what we can tell Artie really had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   very heavy hand in the scripting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   pretty much every single episode of step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   with the Moffett episodes i guess for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:48   Mother's written into his contract that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   he didn't get rewritten so much so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   think i think you really do sort of see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   the auteur touch to this entire run of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   our td's because he was I mean fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:00   wisdom has it that there are certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:01   scripts here and there that are it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   exactly just a page-one rewrite it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   like a word one rewrite that some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   writers head and pretty much nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   do with the final product so are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   writer's tail and I think he outright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   admits you know I'm this happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   with Torchwood the children of earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:20   that was essentially rewritten most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   it sounds like from the scripts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   came in I mean that wasn't a doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   and then those later David Tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:27   specials that have a co-writer bylines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   it's like a sort of admitting that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   gonna have a writer do the initial work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   and then I'm going to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   I mean he was they were defining what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   said they were figuring out how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37   the show I think one of the things was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38   also figuring out a very American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   concept for television which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   showrunner which didn't really exist on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   these BBC shows it was really much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   the whole season was written by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   person or people would come and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   would write episodes but with russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   davis heat the way he defined it was i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   going to get these writers to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   scripts but then the the final pass to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   make it all consistent is going to be me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   and he did by all accounts with it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:03   everybody except except Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   and I think you know that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   it hehe this was his job he fell to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   the show consistent and exactly what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   wanted to be was to do that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   was always going to be his last stamp on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:18   it before it just saw you know shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   there's a lot of joss whedon's Buffy DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:24   and his doctor who look at Rose I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:27   Rose is is an uneven episode their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   moments where I feel like I'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   an episode of Power Rangers where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   music is bizarre and there's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   with the hand that's floating in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   that they're wrestling with and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   trash bin and the plastic Mickey and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   should have Rose doesn't notice okay um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:43   unless it's eastenders also in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44   middle there too they should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   brought another shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   yes so it's it's got problems but at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   same time it's so clear the UH of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   intentions that he's got a buffy DNA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   as buffy is my favorite show of all time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   I you know I can feel it and it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2038">TS</a>]

00:33:59   Russell takes his favorite shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   like roses got that her Buffy moment at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   the end where she where she wrote swings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   on the rope and kicks the thought on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   into the into the pit and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   you did that it's about family and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   we meet roses mother and her boyfriend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   and that it's a show about what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   if you're if you're the companion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   you meet the doctor and you go away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   him and what what are all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22   ramifications of that just so system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:25   modern take on it that's their from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   episode one even though there are lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:31   of issues where they didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   tone right and i think they didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   how to do the effects and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   know how to shoot in way late and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   budget and all these problems but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   think that the core Russell Davis knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   what he wanted to get to it just took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   some time to figure out figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   to get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:48   well I I'd like to speak and offensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   or defensive i guess we're not defending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   defend the indefensible syriza but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   think I i think it's a think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   great run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   however uneven it is and how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   they're getting their feet settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   there's it's got so many brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   moments across this so even episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   that don't work I think like the Dalek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:08   episode is very all the other bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   them back with this part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   I think there's so many aspects in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   series in which you see the seeds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   what he obviously was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   having read the writers tail he did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   have planned out like there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   turning in his head he did not have arcs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   written on balls that no one ever saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   there's a lot of stuff that was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:26   that man's very very very busy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   overworked underslept over cigarette in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   mind but like the Ark of bad wolf and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:34   season one I think is wonderful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   actually regularly watch just the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   the parts of parting of the ways for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   that bit in the fact that he created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   such a strong resonance of that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:44   go back and you watch like oh he built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   the set but that's the joss whedon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   effect two hehe that's the joss whedon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   idea of building it in and having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   come to an end and not end on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   cliffhanger was totally the model the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   first season of buffy is in in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   I think the model for the first season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   of the of the new series yet because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   whole thing right the end of end of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:03   was tough season one the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   collapses may have to find a new sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   new villain and there's echoes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   seasons right and so I think they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   think he built a terrific are can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:12   think he built the template for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   seasons that followed I don't think if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   remember right they didn't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   Ecclestone was gonna leave he decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:18   leave once it came out who's going to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:21   he was was he originally committed they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   thought that happen for more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   first seems like maybe that's too inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   baseball I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27   yeah i think it's i think at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   during the filming knew he was leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   for days it was four days after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   first episode started that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   announced to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:37   oh yeah he was Pippin was pissed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   I know you're right yeah they're angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   but but I think I mean I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42   there's all the elements in there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   like the fact that you start you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   out he's the last of the Time Lords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   you're like okay wow this is new this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   different it's on what we don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:51   trials of the time lords and taylor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   showing off and disappearing the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   thing the end of the world is a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   different tone and he puts his companion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   immediately in danger he feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:00   responsible for any screws up getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   her back at the right moment to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05   ways the end of the world as it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   that the epicenter of an event of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:08   world he brings her back and she's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   gone for a year mother's freaked out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:11   the beginning of the of the farting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   alien two-parter actual one so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   the aliens of london right so but i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   the idea of bringing historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   characters and which happened a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   after that we get in first with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   Charles Dickens is the select the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   celebrity historical as they like right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   you know we can we get a as Shakespeare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:30   later but in like how are we going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:33   the Daleks battle Daleks with the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:34   popular villain in the history of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   series and they're gone ostensibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   forever and they come back you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   sense an unquiet dead that seeds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   higher species the higher races were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   ones who suffered in the time lower and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   we've been dispossessed and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   echo mean that comes in rows their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   echoes in unquiet dead it comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   again and again the father's day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   you see that at the time was not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   things are falling apart so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   they did a great job in building the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   world that paid off in subsequent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   seasons and there's anything again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:04   there's that moment in the doctor dances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   where he says everybody lives for once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   everybody lives you're like oh this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   great moment for getting dr. everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   died like there's something i watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   like when I watch the when it was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   aired and listening to him say that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   like oh my god you're right and click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19   practically in tears like an episode in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:22   which the doctor actions able finally to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   cure everybody to heal everybody that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:26   the counterpoint to the classic series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   episode caves of Androzani where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   everybody except Perry dies everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   including the doctor even the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   dies in an episode or horrifying rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   where everybody with the doctor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   Leela died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:37   oh my god yeah exactly let me jump onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   what Clinton just said end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:44   ends with the sound of a baby's cry when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:47   they win when the doctor and takes rows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:53   back and you don't see any of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:56   in the landscape know it for all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2336">TS</a>]

00:39:00   almost led to believe that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   going back to the dead world and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   off-camera you hear a baby's cry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   then you see the the hustle and bustle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   of 21st century life when I heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14   cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:15   this is the second episode of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   series i have been watching doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   often on as a kid and I've ignored it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   during the wilderness years and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   know if I'm really going to like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:26   new show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:27   and I was emotionally moved by dr who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30   and as much as I love Doctor Who when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   was a teenager I was never emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   moved by it it was it was a fun sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:39   story and that was completely unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   it was completely Russell T Davis's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:46   approach to the show that he was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   to make you care about these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   rather than using them as set-pieces to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   advance the plot along between that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:56   everybody lives in the doctor dances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   that was when I just completely bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:02   into what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:03   fan for life started a podcast i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   say that scene maybe that last scene of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   maybe my favorite single scene in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   new series and it's funny because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   an episode that is famously the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   expensive episode that they ever did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   because it's got huge amounts of CGI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   they shot up early and i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   it came in like two days before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   erred because unless it was just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   insane amount of of work and get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   last scene is completely just shot on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:34   street in in Wales presumably doubling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:38   for London and it's just a street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   it's just the doctor and rose and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   in her hoodie and he tells her that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   his people are dead and she's just seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48   the earth be destroyed and she says do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:53   you smell chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:54   I'm and it's just bringing it back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   you but right now it right now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   alive and all of us you and me and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   of humanity and it all comes to an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   but right now let's live and it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   you're right ship it is also that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   of spike what I didn't know the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   could do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:11   yeah and here i am kind of on once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:14   on the other side of the coin but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   I'm you know been watching Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   since I was five and I didn't ignore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   show during the wilderness years I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   rewatched all of the ones that i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   access to and showed it to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   and got them on the bandwagon and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   was a big deal for me and when the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   came back I was I was very much the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   of crusty old school girl in with it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   didn't I didn't want to open my heart to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   to a new show and I mean I i was excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   that it was coming back but I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:43   little worried and then when I saw it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   was very clear from the beginning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   this is a different show one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   biggest differences being the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:51   clearly is sort of told at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   from the point of view of the companion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   this is a show about Rose every bit as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   much as it is about the doctor if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   more and i did not like that i've come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:02   to terms with it by now but at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   that was something that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   really difficult for me to switch my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   of thinking about this showcase for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   was really always about the doctor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:11   the show did in the classic series it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   did make me feel things on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   basis i was i was in passionate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   this show so I know I cried when Adric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   died and import and multiple other times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   throughout the course of the show and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   I was used to seeing it from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   direction and crying about those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   and then we came along and in here where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   we're seeing a companion and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   this flirtiness a little bit going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   and it's cheeky and I just didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   how to feel about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:41   it is interesting that Glenn mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   Dalek because I think for me that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   the time that I was able to finally jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   on board with that story because finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   you're bringing back something from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   past you've got this Dalek which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   Eccleston's performance and that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   out of this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   it's so clear that there's this fraught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2577">TS</a>]

00:43:01   background between him and this creature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   and it just and and I moment maybe I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   little biased because Rob Sherman is who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   wrote it is one of my favorite people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   adore him at every convention i see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:12   he gives really good hugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13   so every rush i'm not asking for a hug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   because he's excellent at it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   Dalek episode not only not only does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   make that connection to the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   series from seen one where he sees a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   classic series Cyberman head in a glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:28   case and says I'm getting old which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   thought was wonderful but it also has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   the effect of this is the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37   episode where we see how how broken he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:40   is because of the time war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   this is where it comes out that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   really messed up and you know I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   happen i made it happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   he's gonna kill the Dalek and over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:51   and makes a gun and you're like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   doctor made a gun whole ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:57   no I was like yes the doctor made a gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   he's done that so many times before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   yeah but yeah but still I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   think it's still a moment it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04   Layton he makes weapons in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   ways but this was a gun gun this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   gun gun gun it was like to blow up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:11   creature that larose had learned was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   was not the monster that he was assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:17   it was which is I think the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   thing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   I think of the new series in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   series they very much played up the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   know I don't like guns I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   people with guns sort of sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   which I mean they were never hinted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   in the past there were moments and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   there's there's a really funny supermix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   I'm youtube of of all of the times that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   you see the doctor holding weapons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   sometimes they are gun so it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   funny i would argue in fact that the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   series has been exactly as consistent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   the classic series in him talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   how how he's a pacifist and how guns are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   terrible and all that while also with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:47   blowing things up if he needs to that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   chest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:49   dr. that's what the Dalek episode when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:52   Debra Davros accused them says you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   turned all these you're not you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   great one but you turned all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   friends and weapons the doctors like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:58   burnt huh I guess you got me there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   because i have they're all got they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   the osterhagen key and yeah okay maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:06   so this season also brings us the empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   child in the doctor dances which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   fantastic to partner which I like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   which is steven moffat its first piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   on the new series father's day Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   Cornell story which is i just watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   these back not too long ago with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:19   family and and I father's day always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:22   takes me by surprise because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   it it it's got some silly strange things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   in it but it is you know the emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   core is what's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   amazing her father comes back again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   actor was terrific he did a great job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   when he comes back and it's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   family thing about Jackie's a pain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   mother but that you know it's real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   family stuff and then he comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   again and again because he's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   fills its really strong role in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   series until until roses gone anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   more we should say about the Christopher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   Eccleston's season before we move on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   would also like to give our TV some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:57   points for the arc that Glenn was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   talking about you guys mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   the bad wolf park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:02   I'm a sucker for an arc season 16 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:05   Doctor Who the key to time season is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   all-time favorite and that is that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:10   favorite kind of arc where you get look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:13   you know there's a tiny little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:14   each episode but each episode is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   its own standalone monster-of-the-week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   kind of thing so it's not our dependent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   i mean i don't wanna compare to moffitt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   too much but you know you get more of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   arcing like season five and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   that's that's all well and good but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   the the stuff that the best for me are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   the ones where you can have your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   standalone episodes and then get little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:34   bits they're sort of hints or teased in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   so I I really did like the way the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   wolf park played out even if I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   know wasn't the biggest rose fan seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   you know all of revolve around her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   well he still did it well i'm reminded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   of that when we just watched my family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   and I were we're making our way forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   and we just watched the silurian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   two-parter from the first season of matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   smith and it a short version is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:59   better than I remember it so i'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:00   it that but literally at the very end in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   the last five minutes the the if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:05   see the script paused for two minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:09   Arc related material and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   immediately press play again as if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   two minutes didn't happen because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   obviously inserted into the script to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   further the ark and it reminded me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:23   you know Russell Davis with his light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   touch on these scripts it's not until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   boomtown that anybody comments on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   fact that they keep seeing bad wolf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   so it's not until the penultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32   episode up until that point as a viewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   you're like bad wolf we keep seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   he and you start being like a hoe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   spotted this week's bad wolf but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   not taking over the show until until he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   finally sees the Blythe druke project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:48   and goes wait a second now and peppering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   we should point out that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   where we get not just captain jakarta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   happiness but I'm we get they must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   Giants only Captain Jack Harkness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   Captain Jack Harkness you got it I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   his name right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:01   I camry it so captain jack arises and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:04   start to get the themes like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:05   thing about well you know the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06   flexible you know I want to kiss him on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:09   kiss her and I think there's it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   because in that place through the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   of the season is that there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:14   or so gender & orientation availability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:18   in the show in the West before in sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19   you know I don't think it was perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   but that it's not new to science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   either but it's needed to Doctor Who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   and it brought it to a broad audience in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   the UK and then later to a broader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:30   audience in the u.s. normalizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   something that is normal for ppl true as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   i have not I have not read a raiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   tail I just know a lot of its I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   interviews about it heard people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   about it how much of that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   Captain Jack comes to us in the empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   child in the doctor dances which those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   are actually Moffat episodes and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   we've said Moffat episodes did not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   heavily rewritten by rtd so does anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   know how much rtd had to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56   creation of that character I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   certain he had quite a bit to do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   and my understanding is that he gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   Moffat the broad pretty detailed brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   and that bitch Captain Jack was built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   into the back half of the season right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   from the beginning so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13   although Moffat wrote the episodes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   introduced him i don't think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   could say that Moffat created the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   character which is on which is unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   for before british television because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   frequently you know the first the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   time the character appears is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   writer of the episode was responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   and considered the Creator it's funny as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   we move on to to to the david tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   era wait I what I notice is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   they liked it they do like to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   creator's credit when when when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:44   monster recursive let's say and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   the things that amuses me is that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   the you would appear in them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   Steven Moffat era there's a credit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   says food created by Russell to davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   which really amuses me because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   episodes the you were introduced in not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:57   credited to Russell T Davis but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:00   like it's just at acid admittance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   he created that he created them he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:05   we'll call it the food i wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   kind of octopus face and I rewrote the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:12   script anyway writing a possible plan so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   it's just it's funny it's like this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:17   announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:17   nothing nothing special about it except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   that it totally means it was him even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23   though technically matt jones created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   the food right but he didn't he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   with President Davis that's who did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   that's why would David Tennant let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   talk about good old girl david ensor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   crystal actor christopher eccleston does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   a year does a good job I sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:40   it's a combination of him you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   necessarily want to commit to any job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   for a very long period of time and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   sounds like the way that that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   season was produced was really trying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   everybody and that he decided at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   point that he didn't want to be a part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   of it anymore and I don't know if we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:55   ever know more detailed and then about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   that but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   so he leaves and they should they shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   very late they shoot a scene with david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   tennant just regenerate post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   regeneration that will get them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   inn that the parting of the ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   will get them through to the to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   Christmas special and so here the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   has been a success they immediately have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   to change the leading man welcome to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   Doctor Who everybody this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18   happens and we get David David Tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:22   who who stays for three full series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:26   three different companions and is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:30   many people's minds their you know their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   doctor and a level that I i think when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:37   the new series came back nobody kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:38   anticipated that this sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   would happen where he he he really ruled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:43   it for a long time and stuck in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   minds of a lot of a lot of fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:46   yeah and remarkably enough eat up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:49   very very recently he was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   considered in several fan polls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:55   general public polls in Britain he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   considered the most popular dr. even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:00   though he'd been gone for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   and matt smith was absolutely killing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   as a perfect as a performer but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:08   something about the the skinny handsome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:12   geek chic guy that struck court it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   there something like that will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   first to admit it's my love for David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   Tennant's run that he did not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   mini facial expressions and he pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:24   out a number for that the teeth bared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   slightly angry while you know slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:29   wide eyed thing you saw a lot of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   um but it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32   whatever this thing years ago there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   this comparison about Tom Hanks and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:38   co-star in the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   the the meg ryan helmet meg Ryan see my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   brain my brain wears this two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   consecutive episodes that have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:45   reference to sleepless in seattle / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   you've got mail to 22 consecutive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   episodes telling me something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   The New Yorker wrote this piece about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:53   them where it was sort of pre was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   times like Tom Hanks made five terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   movies and in five ones that all gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   bazillion dollars and but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   comparing the fact that you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   him and his face barely does anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   and you know what's going on inside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   meg Ryan had all this business was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   describing the amount of business her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   face did your hand like the the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   that she did to convey emotion in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   similar scenes or cut back and forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   I feel like I gave a tent does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   a ton of facial expressions but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   an incredible amount of capital that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:23   Emma Thompson same thing at the Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:24   does not have many facial expressions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   that she's one of my favorite actresses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   but she does at times seem to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   entirely mobile face yet convey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   entire range of sophistication something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   out a glance with her face not moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   about a scene so David Tennant awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   RQ some people get hung up on that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   he has three expressions like okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   he has no vocal town and body and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   whatever in the UK so I want to dangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47   some red meat in front of America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:48   because obviously because position when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:52   you talk when you think about david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:53   tennant one word immediately comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:56   mind and I don't think it's a word that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   a lot of classic oriented doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   fans like to affiliate with their doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:04   and that is cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   david tennant is cool in a way that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:12   doctor I think had really been cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   which is to say i'm up just cool that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:21   the only word I can come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   I don't think anybody was cool until job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   but jon pertwee david tennant are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   the too-cool doctors i can think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   I always thought I was that peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   davison was cool so maybe that's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   being weird but I i just saw a kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   direct line connecting those two he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   kissed very quick he's quirky he's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   a in a the guy wearing the wrong sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   clothes and not noticing cool with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   geek the geek chic thing works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48   well on David Tennant and it helps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   david tennant you know and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53   again in time a good choices made by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   production team I mean the suit with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   with the trainers so that this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:03   and good casting dividend also david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   tennant being a very serious doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   fan cast as the doctor get kind of gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   what the part is I felt like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:11   also that he was you know he was he tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   it always felt kind of iconic to me he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   always felt like this is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   Tom Baker of of the new series where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   we're going to go back and they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   to be people who love all the doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   but there were going to go back and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:24   like remember David Tennant that suit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   like its it felt like like a an iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:30   performance from a good actor with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:33   with good scripts and it was with prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   are constantly doing here I feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:37   was like exactly what the show needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   because you couldn't really it all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   that goodwill that had been built up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:43   that first year could have really kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   of falling apart if there had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   another quick change or if the casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   decision had been different and instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   I I get the feeling actually that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   david tennant was on just as I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56   Peter Capaldi was on Steven Moffat slist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   and then he cast matt smith i get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   feeling that David was probably on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   Russell T Davis's list and then cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   christopher eccleston and then kept him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:05   in the back pocket for for later they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   did a good a good bit there there which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   was they explain later and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   a reasonable explanation inside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   universe that's like Rose when you met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   me I was like this guy was born out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   war is angry and you calmed me right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:22   that's how he then when he then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23   ecclestone dr. becomes the Tenth Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   tensing he was born he was regenerated a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   point in which you sort of healed and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   comes band that then they tie that back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:33   into later with our more recent things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   with bringing back my names of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   fallin on my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   the day of the doctor why can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   remember his name we all know him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   david tennant Matt Smith John Hurt know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   that good before John Hurt the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:46   turns from home again home again thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49   you my god my people night of the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   started the doctor you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   recurrence but they're like oh well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   can be there can be these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   kinds of regeneration and they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   explicitly I think introduced into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   cannon but that's sort of what tenant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   was saying and I think they use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   transition to say here's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:04   kind of doctor but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:06   sort of retcon explain it in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   that's plausible to think the reason is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   different as he didn't just kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:10   everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11   he's one step removed and then you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   that again later as you come back to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   know this recent specials you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   the echo again like I was one step away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   i counted and then that's the saying i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:22   forgot you know how many times you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   in our november episode by the way which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   was I think we recorded literally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   day before that Paul McGann special got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31   dropped on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   Glenn Glenn Glenn predicted that Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:37   McGann would be in the 50th anniversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   special and I said absolutely not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   you know what we were both kind of right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   because he's not in the 50th special but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   he was there I open that episode with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:46   the joke please state the nature of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   medical emergency and then the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:49   or the little thing started with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   doctor program asking what the emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   was so Josh clan who do who don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   know the future i know the future Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   you have it has he ever hugged Rob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:01   Sherman that's all I guess I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   Gallifrey one to get canceled maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   maybe Rob run don't go don't come this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   year run otherwise you'll be glend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   Oh once you're in glens glaring database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   you can never escape my face just turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   into a skull and back again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   yeah mmm so-so because we are not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   to go on for five hours i wanna i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:24   to sort of step through the seasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:25   get some thoughts about sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   particularly high points and if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   to mention a low point to for each each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   season that would be good so let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   with david tennant first season series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   too i will just say i love the girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   the fireplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:38   I'm a softy i think that is a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   episode that plays with time and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:43   lot of really interesting ways it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   funny that Steven Moffat ransacked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:47   for river song later but I think as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:51   standalone episode it's it's uh it hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   me in all the right places and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   actually also love the impossible planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:59   satan pit episode i think it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   awesome and dark and weird and the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   too great and almost everybody dies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   it's got that great claustrophobic base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   under siege so that's those are my those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   are my my high points i think my low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   point sphere her which is a really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   with of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:16   process where I've actually never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:17   watched it that's the 1i tried to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   it three times i gave up Erica what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   your highs and lows from season to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   high is absolutely school reunion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   because so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   Jared I've been a surgeon fan since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   was five years old so it was just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   episode did everything to me emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:34   that it was supposed to but the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   problem I sort of have with it now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   just the fact that they named the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   that she speaks to the doctor makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   look like she's been pining away her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   whole life and I don't like that thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   but then the sarah jane that we see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   the sarah jane adventures at there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   there's no heat of that so i have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54   conduct my head to be that she was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   trying to kill him because that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:57   really crappy thing with of him to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   the idea that she thought he was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   to come back and he just never did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03   I'm fine with anger but I'm not fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   with the I've been waiting around for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   you my whole life line that that maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   little iffy Milo i think and i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   admit i have not gone back and watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   it since it aired but I really did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   like love and monsters and i know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:16   a very divisive divisive story at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   app is really polarizing and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   think for her is that bad I am fine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24   fear i watch it again it i think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   love and monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   yeah I think fans don't like it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   couple reasons one is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:32   completely off format and does not take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   the format of the show very seriously on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   another level it is Russell T Davis's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   comment about fandom and I think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:41   some people they took it personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   although i think it's done with love and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   monsters hit it is it is it is perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:49   the weirdest episode of doctor who ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:53   but I kind of let I kinda like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   any doctor who joked that and/or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   Doctor Who story that ends with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:58   fellatio joke that's just not okay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   me this is tee time television i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   about that i agree about that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   that was out of place yeah i watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   in my mouth dropped i showed my wife was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   not a doctor who fan i said are they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   what I think they're saying she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   yeah like low-key that was i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   unfortunate in what otherwise I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   kind of enjoy an episode that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   strange and so outside it literally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   what how do other people view the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   is also the great joke about claw claw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   where you from klom from klom i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   Terry I've terrible eczema is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   eczema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:31   no it's much worse it's exuma anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   have eczema it's terrible chip what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   what are your highs and lows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   I love it when Doctor Who experiments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   with the format and love and monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:43   tries and succeeds well enough until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:47   makes those sort of crafts turns to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   but that's a the last five minutes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   not good yeah yeah it's it's a failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   of execution not of concept I feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:56   same way about another device of episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:59   the post Russell T Davis rings of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   akhaten which some people hate and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   people love but I'm with I'm with Erica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:07   on school reunion and that is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   time when the show really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13   just with Daleks but just embraces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   fact that there was this classic series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   and there what these classics get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:21   classic characters were there indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:22   matter it's very it's very sentimental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:28   and that is that is a tool that Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:31   T Davis wields throughout all five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:35   that he was on the show sentimentality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   and uh when we were talking earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39   before Erica about whether we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:42   emotionally engaged with the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   think that the sentimentality of Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:47   T Davis's doctor who is either a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   turn-on or a big turn-off if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:53   accept that if you feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   being manipulated school reunion girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   the fireplace up all of these all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:01   these episodes really play on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   emotional heart strings right up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   point when Rose falls into the void and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:09   it saved by her dad and the the the love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   relationship that's at a speech in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   world the saddest speech in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:17   well the fact that Russell and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   Russell T Davis explicitly is playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:23   with a relationship between the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:26   and a companion that can be read as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   romantic or at least as complex with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:32   romantic issues involved that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:36   something that with the exception of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   kissing in the palm again TV movie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:41   know that's something that was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   completely alien to the show really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   really divisive and that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:50   but i think that more than anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   that marks the russell t davies Sarah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   even though steven moffat didn't abandon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   that when getting married off the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   River Song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:01   no I think that's actually when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   just going to say is that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04   sentimentality that is the hallmark of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   the rtd era is a double-edged sword and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   I think that but both of those edges hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:11   me different ways because when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   sentimentality aimed at the show itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:16   like in school reunion when you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:20   it'sit's sentimentality for even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:21   something like the Daleks of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   Cybermen where it's just sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24   poking at the fans that that hit me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   where I live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   and I loved it when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   sentimentality focused on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:31   perhaps love story between the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   and his companion that just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   completely threw me out of the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   made me super super uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   because I spent so much time in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   trying to find ways in which i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:43   read it as completely platonic and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   possible because i think that he very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   skillfully made it not over so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   the shippers can can do their thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   be happy with it and the old school fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:53   like me can see it a different way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   it still works but i felt like i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   doing a lot of mental gymnastics to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   sure I kept seeing it that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   that's what made me uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   yeah I do i do really like the guy i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:08   love i love the way this season ends I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   the crazy idea of putting the Daleks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:14   the Cybermen together in minutes late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:17   it's you know if you're a fan and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   the producer of doctor who your fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   fiction is doctor who and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   army of ghosts and doomsday I mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   to have the banter between his you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   better one thing you're better at dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30   that is just amazing and the I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:34   there was enough time spent with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   relationship that the emotional payoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   whether you're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   I think it's no doubt she loves him does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   he love her in the same way or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   can kind of argue either way but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:46   way she is being torn away from him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49   he it is completely tragic either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   and I you know that was what a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   ending in fact I would argue that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   much as it was sort of nice to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:57   Billie Piper again later that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:00   it kind of makes me mad that that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   ending gets devalued because it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   heartbreaking and so brilliant and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:09   know it bugs me that they kind of bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   you didn't read comment but they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:12   made it not as important later he walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   away i think the ending the ending of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   that of the season is my favorite part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:19   of the season that because it was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:20   but i think it's so beautifully done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   musically in spare that I'm burning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   heart of it son to come bring my spin my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:28   hologram mr. yeah but the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   gets me this is the problem with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32   coming in with a duplicate coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:33   later and leaving the duplicate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:35   Rose all recipes like she's working to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   get back to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38   they're trying to make a reality gun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   Center cross dimensions which turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   to be convenient he liked usually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:45   like I'll was about to say maybe I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   suppose you know I love you whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   going to say but then he's like alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   and then you know Donna Noble shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   and his world has thrown up in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   and he goes back into his into running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   running running and he doesn't stop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:58   say maybe there's someone I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   the great moment this this is what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:03   the Moffett era the role that I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:08   lost my mind if I can't remember his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10   name he dies again and again and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   roar I apparently the heat in Seattle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   is an 90 degrees today which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   equivalent of a thousand degrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:17   anywhere else it's always so Rory with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:20   Rory and Amy Rory's role is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22   doctor says and you know in the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:24   episode of the Torah open door opens the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   next one what's the next episode again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   for one moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:29   thank you but I shit what he says is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:32   whole universe important you know Marie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:33   says she's that important to meet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   whole universe is not as important to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   as pretty a me back the doctor doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:40   have that and i think david tennant's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   are so there is dr. leaving rows behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:45   and going on well the doors universe is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   closed and I guess that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   it happens yeah and then when he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   back he's like well I'm gonna leave this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   copy of myself and Donna you know I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   your back and start out the figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   the medic crisis you know that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:58   thing is like I think it does d value in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   the sense that it shows that he walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   away again and again and again which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:03   the theme you know keeps going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   coming to the theme this is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:07   what's neat about her showing up rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:08   showing up in the day of the doctor i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   think is astonishing because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   her I loved her in that but i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:15   idea that he gets haunted by her image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:17   but only the one who doesn't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   hers who sees it i think that's almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   little bit of a revenge that that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   comes back that way i forgot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:25   doomsday that is another highlight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27   me that's the only episode of Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   that I ever watched and just felt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   presence so overwhelmed by that I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   immediately started over and watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   again I mean there was there was ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   ugly crying during that so yes it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   it's so good that it doesn't matter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   why you're crying also army of ghosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   was I think relatively weak and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   violets it setup right it's yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   kind of like um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   this and plastic sheeting and blue and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   then it's like doomsday is like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   brought it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:54   yeah yeah I shall we move on let's move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:58   on third series highs and lows here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:01   Glenn you want to start with this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:03   I was a I was a big fan of many episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   in the season i think this is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:06   strong one and the Martha season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   yeah I think she's great i call out i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   like i like Smith and Jones are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   about before Shakespeare code was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   had some good elements to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   gridlock was meticulous but they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   do it because they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:18   establish relationship whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   Daleks episodes I thought I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   interesting but like sort of too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:23   and they ended up but they're setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26   the stage for further things going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   your highs and lows literally every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   episode trying to get with okay i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   give you the lowest allow experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   which i hate it i thought that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:34   was a not-good it was bad use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:36   Marcus's wonderful and I just thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:38   was boring i actually think the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   blood might be the high i like the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:44   human nature human nature less family of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:46   blood more especially the ending i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   watch their some episodes that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   going to like and like and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   he did to us he made us live forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   like oh my god this is like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   different kinds of irony each of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   perfect so the three-part conclusion i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   think is is actually totally terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   but I think family blood probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:06   high point in terms of a very evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   the touching the watch and seeing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   alternate future and then the variance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   really i think terrific episode chip I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:18   think Glenn like season three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   yeah thnkx island was good looking very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   excited there it's it's it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:25   pretty good season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:26   I like Freema Agyeman when she starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:29   and then they really put the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   into a hole with the unrequited love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:35   thing which which in itself is it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   awful except that's all that they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40   with her in its it weakened her as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   character and she doesn't really come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:45   back into her own until she leaves the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:47   series for a while and then shows back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   up in torchwood and fourth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:53   well it last of the Time Lords she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   really kind of redeem but it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:56   happened off camera off camera that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:59   right and then there's a reset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:02   yeah and then yeah so it's not one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05   favorite seasons even though i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   like the actress and I think that tenant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:12   does a good job as usual but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:15   with this are the Shakespeare code with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   the spirit with the gratuitous JK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:20   Rowling references and magic spells and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   expel er miss at the end even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25   there's some brilliantly funny bits in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:26   it you know Shakespeare on on the make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:30   with everyone with everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   yeah love that guy is great but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:37   it's not one of my favorite seasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:38   Erica I think it's funny that see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:43   season three is very it's not one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   favorites and it is one of my favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:47   because i think the first half the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49   half is all just kind of low points for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51   me I didn't like I don't like celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:53   historical is usually something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54   Shakespeare code I I wasn't on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   with Martha really at first so just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59   the way up through until we get to human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:01   nature and then suddenly it skyrockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   and it just blows off the charts and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   a little bit of a paul cornell fan girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   who i think i've also hugged and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   a human nature is I like human nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:12   better than family but although I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   them both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   I like seeing david tennant play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:16   different character than the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   because John Smith is a different person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:22   who is so clear in every way so i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:25   it's it's written accidentally from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   hope Cornell's perspective and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:30   played wonderfully from david tennant's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:31   i just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   everything came together for me there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   and then you followed up with blink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   which let me out but as i said before is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:39   is wonderful and then you have utopia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:40   where you get to see Derek freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   Jacobi who is my favorite actor of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   time playing you know the moment that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:48   figured out what was about to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   that he was actually the master i SAT up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:53   on the couch and this is in a room with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:54   a friend who doesn't know all that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:55   about Doctor Who and I just to set up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   the couch like oh my god and I then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   stood up and raise my hands in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:02   and he was like what on earth and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:03   never mind you'll find out in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   gathered in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:06   yeah and then you have the sound of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   drums which is now click this and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   i'll explain later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   yeah that they that utopia turn I i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:16   i really like utopia it's not my high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:18   point of the season but i like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   because it is two things it is for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22   first whatever 40 minutes 30 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   it's like russell davis saying what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:27   the most doctor who episode i could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   it look like there's barely any others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   in the base that sort of under siege and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   there's the rocket and there's the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36   then we've got this professor and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:38   companion that the doctor and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   companion meet and actually it's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:42   the doctor and two companions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   you have captain amagai coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:45   which is really graphic dr plus you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47   yet captain jack is back that's more eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   candy for me a trillion years in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   future it's the farthest they've ever go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:53   on the Time Lords are freaked out by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   so 30 30 minutes that you get you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   about about five to seven minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:00   that wonderful conversation between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   david tennant John Barrowman where John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05   Barrowman is basically behind a sheet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   glass doing radioactive things and dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:10   over and over again and they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   whole conversation about the Time Lords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14   about him regenerating and not coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   back for him and what happened to Rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   and all that which is really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:19   then you get the end where we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:22   reveal of the master and all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:23   which is just the most when i watch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:28   with my kids I afterward I'll i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   saying to my wife I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32   most intense seven minutes of doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   ever it is like you want to scream as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:38   it's happening it is so because so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:41   is going on the the rocket is going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:43   and Martha's running and saying he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   the watch and-and-and chanceux and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:48   the professor are having their last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   little encounter and the the future kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:53   of rushing into the base and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   a regeneration at me it's just edit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   is so it is insanely intense and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:01   think that the the final two partner is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03   a big letdown it's fine but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   great and utopia is is I yeah it's over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:09   it's over looked in some ways because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11   is like three different episodes in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:12   yet it is great also its Russell T Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   again in this series he seeded it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18   little bits and pieces I mean you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:20   you see that john sims are you hear his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:23   his name he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:24   character throughout and you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   idea that it means anything until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   comes together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:29   yeah yep Saxons even in the runaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:32   bride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:33   there's a that that's where it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:35   and it goes throughout the whole season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:35   so so for me it's very hard because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:42   this is a season of highs and lows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:43   me I wouldn't say sort of beginning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   I feel like the Daleks to partner is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   about as bad as doctor who has gotten in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   the modern era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:50   I think it's a I think it's a badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:53   written badly can see could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:54   better had sort of a little gem of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   idea and then stretched it over too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   episodes there's too much and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59   doesn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01   even the idea of what if the Daleks had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02   to like become humanoid is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:05   booted and miss it not handled well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:10   the the the the climax is ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:13   because it's literally like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:14   theater because i don't have any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   sets and so of course will take over New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:17   York from the stage of the theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19   because Y and Lazarus experiment is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:23   that much better and 42 is a boring but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:27   not terrible but not interesting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   anyway it's a really deep dark hole in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:32   the middle of this season the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   nature to partner is fantastic blink is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   blink it's like twilight zone level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   episode it is it is on its own outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   of Doctor Who I think a wonderful 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   minutes that we talked about this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   they plan to spend a show-off because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   it's so felt like they planned is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:47   show up I have said this high Sparrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:49   Sparrow Nightingale adventures I was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   angry that Carey Mulligan became famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:54   in store for fans because they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:56   have brought her back and made her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:57   companion but instead she had to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4617">TS</a>]

01:16:58   like an Academy Award nominee so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   I've left off and I like the Shakespeare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   code I didn't have a problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   stupid things that we're going because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:05   it's just I I thought it was a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   of fun but i wanted to say a word about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09   gridlock I think gridlock is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   single best scripts i think it's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:12   the second best if not the best script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   russell davis road for the series and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:16   sit and i say that because I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:19   gets caught up in his operatic finales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:23   and all of these things he wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:24   to say i want this kind of doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26   episode and gridlock is this strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:28   one-off episode and I think it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30   I think it's kind of funny and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   it's kind of beautiful and it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:35   sad ending but I it feels like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   very different and I feel like it uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   different parts of his talent and i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   i like it a lot and it like the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:46   the event of the world it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:49   fantastic ending where Martha basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   says you've been lying to me you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:52   gonna sit down and tell me what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:55   and meanwhile they freed the people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:56   New York and I think it's I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58   actually a beautiful episode and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   has kept people in it but i like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   it's funny but i really like it a lot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:04   is strange and and beautiful and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:07   it even though it's an odd choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   it's a great episode and it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   highlights something that not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:13   people pick up on with Russell T Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   which is he can be a real cynical guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   sometimes even for all the operatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   sentimentality stuff the people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:22   gridlock are trapped because they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   been putting their hope in religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:26   faith rather in rather than getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:29   something done although you could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:30   that they're actually putting their hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:32   in the system and the society and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   religious faith is the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   keeping them alive but but but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:38   alright yes is it is dark and weird on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   one level and yet uplifting and positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:43   about humanity in another way it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:46   sweet i feel like this is I i guess i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:49   not making this as clear as I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   to i feel like if if Russell to Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   wasn't the showrunner and he was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:54   brought in for a random episode I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:56   like this is the kind of thing he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   do as opposed to as the showrunner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   feeling the burden of I've got to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:01   the introduction episode and I've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   write the conclusion episodes and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   that this is just the drop in and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   think it's very cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   so if we ever make it to season four he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   he gets another episode in just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:13   I know that was foreshadowing ship is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:14   what i was doing there when i said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   it was like one of his two best scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   anyway we should talk about season 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   which is with donna who can we just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:24   out and say Donna is great can we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26   that died is is super great super super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:30   great i mean in the doctor magazine poll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   of the best companions it was Sarah Jane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   one and Donna to i believe i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   that is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39   so yeah she's great so great that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:44   brought her back for Catherine hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45   were terrified I know about that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   that they were mild about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   performance in the run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:51   a bride they were dr. fans are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:55   suspicious of comedians coming onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   their show and and she became an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:01   incredibly subtle character uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:05   somebody that you just wanted a hug when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:09   she wasn't shouting at you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:12   hugged her i have not but i would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   to yeah sure i would want to she said ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:17   had great great character great uh after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:20   having rose and and Martha to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:24   know you're not meeting with me sunshine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:25   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:27   oh that was wonderful you want to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:30   no no I want to meet you wouldn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:31   once again partners in crime is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   one of those examples of the finely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   crafted carefully structured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   introduction episode that has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   fantastic scene where they are between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   several panes of glass having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   entirely mind conversation with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   other which is hilarious and strange all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   at once that is a great just great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:51   think I think Steven Moffat said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:53   somebody asked him about criticism of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55   russell davis and he said read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:56   partners in crime script it's about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:58   good a TV script as you'll ever read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   that's a great fit the whole thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:01   coincidence thing to that like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   heart bead or whatever like another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   great artists like Donna I met you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   I met you again I Met Your father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   grandfather and it's your red car home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:13   and it still is true whatever who love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   who does who doesn't love Bernard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:16   Cribbins appearance i love to I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18   Bracken's Bernard Cribbins probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:21   burner I'm burner very cryptic your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:23   England said right said fred it's um but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:27   can I tell my favorite episode yes go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   ahead and got it also turn left turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:31   so good i watch that one again and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   from that season because it's um I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   it's kind of a it's like again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   doctors barely in it but it has so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   wonderful things that makes good use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41   campaign's makes good use of of unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:44   there's some crazy there's there's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47   actually think helen is when she wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:49   up in the past on the street lying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:52   the ground and she hears the music good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   to do and the guy in the boombox walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:56   by with it and I'm like that's cute like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:58   that's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00   a high anxiety moment there for us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   books but i just think it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:05   wonderfully structured and at the end i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:08   think that is one of the most chilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10   and wonderful bits like it is very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:12   is she said to worry who is a blonde [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:14   girl who was what she say she said two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   words in the bad wolf and the craziness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   it's awful and crazy this is bad wolf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   everywhere then the the cloister Bell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   and complete completely ignored in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   next episode but it's a great ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27   exactly taller than the cloister Bell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29   and then it's just like but it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   little bit like bad wolf and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   like oh my god they're gonna bring it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   around again you know you thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   already run through Billy than there she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   is then they whatever then we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40   that wolf and so I i really like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:43   was it you have a low point low point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:46   i'm a big fan of the centaurans so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:50   thats I thought that was the two-parter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   was too long and sort of tedious and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   really irritating that early that early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   series two partners and I bet it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   hard place to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   yeah because you know i already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:01   mentioned my life that planet the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:03   of the unit is a really good sort of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:04   canonical one with the doctor in it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   yeah I'm it yeah I think that's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:09   know the interaction of our song is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10   important but I don't think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:11   episodes are necessarily don't say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   strongest the season but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:16   actually doctor's daughter point really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:17   did not like that episode at all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:20   that's probably the low point because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:21   its entirety of this entire is too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:23   yet so doctor's daughter with a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:24   point turn left with my way Erica what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   do you think you know i'm looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   list of episodes in that series and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:33   don't know that i have a high point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:34   is just when I unless I could say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:37   my high point is Donna herself because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:40   think fondly of this series because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   ended up loving Donna so much I I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   her in the runaway bride a lot so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:47   I was one of those fans that was freaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   out and nervous that she was coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50   to actually be the companion and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   not like partners in crime because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   that scene that you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   Jason because there was there was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   much silliness and I just I don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:00   like that kind of wacky slapstick stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   all right right the same figure from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:03   black biggest same thing all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   exactly so it's a big turn off so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   took a few seemed like such a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09   person and yet at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:12   i'm really not i'm not at all man and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:15   she she she confesses to liking mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:18   grant books and then it just all goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:19   downhill from the investment yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   somebody's gonna like from somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22   got to like them defeat the John has got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   some great stuff in fires of Pompeii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   she's got some great stuff in unicorn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:29   the wasp she's got some good stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   silence in the library to I did I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33   think going back and rewatching now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:36   would like her more in partners in crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   and fires of Pompeii I just I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:41   like I just didn't like her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:43   characterization at first because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:44   so in your face and that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:47   difficult for me but once I kind of got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:50   on board and learn to like her then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53   was just she could do no wrong and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:54   loved everything and if I had to pick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56   high point it would probably be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:57   Sontaran to partner because I adore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:00   Sontarans and yep i adore Sontaran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:03   that's i adore Sontarans to but not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:06   but not there huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:09   no I love them so much so yeah so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:12   was that I think that it low point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   just sort of most of it but one but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:18   high point is is absolutely Donna for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:20   sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:20   however it's I have very mixed feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:22   about her end but overall she's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:28   my favorite new series companions maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30   one of my favorite all-time chip what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:33   your thought about series series for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   favorite would have to be midnight if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:38   this is it is such a subversive episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:42   because it takes the it takes the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:45   and it puts him as in a circumstance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:46   where there is absolutely nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:49   around to tell the world how reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:52   and how great and how helpful the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:55   is he stuck in a bus and nobody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:58   bus trust him and they almost chuck them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:01   out of the bus and killing and he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   out of it just shattered and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:07   just it its powerful writing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   another one of those i think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:11   would have said Jason where if he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   came in and did an episode that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   the one he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:16   it'sit's Russell T Davis or stepping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:19   outside of the ark to just tell not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22   story that he always wanted to tell but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:25   the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:25   worried that you almost have to still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:27   have to tell about the doctor to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   deep to deflate the mystery around him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:34   or something like that if you didn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:36   write it just just right off the cuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   wasn't that sort of dropped in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   something else fell out of the way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:42   that's like--that's that that's the sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:43   of a good writer i mean he he just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:46   know what whipped that off like I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:47   he would have done something more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:49   that for some of his finale while this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51   is that this is the thing is there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:52   Russell T Davies was a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:53   writer and then there's a guy who wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:55   to do or felt the need to do the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:58   operatic finales and all of that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5218">TS</a>]

01:26:59   that he was the showrunner and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   what he felt people needed out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:02   Ark of the series but as a result I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04   like we did kind of get cheated out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   more episodes that showcase him being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   who is which is a really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:11   writer when you know and I say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:14   somebody who thinks that his continually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   turning up the volume on the finales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   kind of went way too far but in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   episode like this chip I mean obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:21   this is my high point two and it is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   think his best script and i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:26   actually put a make a little box of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:27   midnight and and blink and say my I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:32   said this before saying the twilight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35   zone it's like these you put these on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:37   that level of like this is an anthology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39   just take the script and and run it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:42   it doesn't matter what show it's in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   it's just so brilliantly written and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:47   III seriously midnight could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:50   Twilight Zone episode and i would put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   there with a work of Rod Serling it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   that kind of like great it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:57   great play it would be a fantastic scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5277">TS</a>]

01:28:00   weird play and I do think I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:03   it's brilliant so I'm with you on bid 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   midnight i think it has been staged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   actually I think they've done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:08   somewhere in New York what makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:11   because closed rewrites the locked room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:12   think you can do it as a plane much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:14   easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15   yeah it'sit's the total bottle show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:18   episode it's like the fly episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:20   breaking bad only even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:21   claustrophobic they had to build the set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   but then they just use that set a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:26   point for you chip doctor's daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:29   it's the only time it's the only time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:32   I've yelled at my new series doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:35   yelled at the screen because when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   yell what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:38   I aren't Pete that I cannot repeat what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:42   I yell but the thing the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44   upsets me about that episode is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:47   there are absolutely no surprises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49   everything right everything happens from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:55   there is just no surprise you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:59   she is going to die at the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   that she is going to regenerate at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:03   end the even even when the doctor holds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:08   the gun to the generals head and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:12   postures bit it's all hollow it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:15   just bad if the the jumping in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:19   a guy I mean social so lazy so clichéd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:22   the this episode's right content in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:23   order for David Tennant and in Georgia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:26   to get together right is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:27   inside it's a reality retcon I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29   she's a lot of fun in this episode in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:30   fact I I think I think I think georgia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:33   moffett and I would also say the scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:37   with Martha and the little bubbly half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   guy i think are the only redeeming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:42   things in the entire episode but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:44   those you know she's she's good she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   just trapped in a bad script yeah and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:50   will briefly say because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:52   contractually obligated to i am a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:55   the stolen earth and journey's end and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   do like that operatic stuff and i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:01   say in my defense that night that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04   a for the longest time the highest-rated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:07   in terms of audience and audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   appreciation of all the series it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:12   crowd pleaser and as a crowd as a part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:15   of a crowd i was pleased i recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17   watched it and I might like it much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:19   better this time I quite enjoyed it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:21   I'm I'm on Team ship when we did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:23   family rewatch stolen earth journeys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   you know it's sort of silly and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:28   some really weird stuff in it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:29   you're like really ok like the Daleks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:32   are beaming people up to the ship for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   this weird test and I mean there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:36   of like short kind of like well we look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   we need that to happen so this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39   thing that but the only thing I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:40   about it was the warp star diamond right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   right but but I actually really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:45   that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:46   it is because i like the family reunion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   aspect of it like let's get everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   back together in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:52   uh you could wear and we're about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:53   move on to the specials i would say one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   of the things that has made me like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56   more is that I've seen now the next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   of of operatic ending which is the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:01   of time and I it makes me wish that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:04   the journey's end had been the end for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:06   david tennant because it's felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08   end for Russell T Davis and david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:10   tennant it was literally let's bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:12   everybody back let's close the books we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14   you know here's the end of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:16   journey's end and now bring in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18   doctor and instead what we just let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:21   it again next year for more specials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23   Jason that's exactly what I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:26   thinking is that the the let's get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:29   everybody together thing kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:30   bothered me a little bit because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:32   hokey and cheesy but I'm okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   hockey and cheesy if it's this last gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:37   but you know big ending things so in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39   mind he actually did regenerate at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:42   end of journey's end and then we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:43   nothing else in LA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45   my fingers are in my ears I can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:46   you I can't hear you you can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:48   you can't do that you can't turn down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50   waters of mars like that I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   can't well yes I can yes I can let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:54   forget we'll get there we'll get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:55   in a minute I'm i wanted to i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:58   say for me I midnight obviously the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   point for me although i really do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   fires of pompeii and I and unicorn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:07   the wasp is I think hilariously funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09   and and and the Mafia two-parter i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:12   is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:13   although it does recycle things and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16   in true Steven Moffat timey-wimey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:17   fashion pre cycles things where he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:20   strip mine it for things that he'll use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:23   again and again and again when he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:25   and runs the show I I didn't like I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:29   a low point I'm gonna like turn left as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   much as a lot of people did it just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   know I think it's fine i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   little bug is really weird and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36   Caradoc that the fortune-teller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38   character is kind of a strange and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40   racist stereotype and but the sitaaron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:45   to partner is really bad and doctor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:46   daughter daughter is really bad i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:47   thought so those are my losers there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:50   boy I love midnight i'm a chap to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   midnight blue tonight sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:54   twilight it's a little scary like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:55   fans of a vampire book or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:58   no it's a misanthropic Twilight Zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:01   episode that i love that is also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:03   target for complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:04   this on the pacific on exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:05   special let's before we go and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:08   going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:08   are we the specials we have the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:13   Doctor planet of the dead the waters of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   mars in the end of time I I my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:21   here is that I've to like Erica would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:24   dream of ending it with journey's end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:26   the only limitation there is I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   actually love the waters of mars it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   one of my favorite David Tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   episodes i love everything about it love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   it love it love it i love all aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   it I think it's a great episode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:39   otherwise I find nothing to command any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:42   of these specials so that's the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:45   of the end of time the very end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:46   independent last like you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   little brief code at the end of time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   said goodbye to everybody that goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:51   for about half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53   I like that when I hate that the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   part 1 of end of time only thing I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:57   defend I did not like any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:58   really i'm actually the next doctor was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:00   sort of sweet and interesting absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:03   lever what's that you have a balloon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   feelin it was clever it was just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07   wasn't i don't think was well developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:08   but i think the Miss Havisham no I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:11   her name it's a good fit the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   dev lick her wounds really miss Hartigan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:16   see I can find a way i can find a name I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:19   think she was a wonderful that wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:21   performance was a wonderful character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:23   and her arc through it was creepy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:28   good had a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:29   kaboom conclusion but and what I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:32   like waters of mars i thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:34   full of holes and just sort of i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:36   speaking fan of Superman's but here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:38   the thing so end of time I think of when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   I think of a time I forget there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41   part 1 and i'm looking at this and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43   remembering this apart one which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:45   didn't I thought which is full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:46   nonsense in him eating people at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:48   hamburger stand and all you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:51   very easy stuff with the setup it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   weird things like I'm so hungry their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   skeletons in the super creepy rich guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:58   and his daughter and his little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5698">TS</a>]

01:34:59   that he's building is too much right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:02   ok so but that but part 2 I thought had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:05   wonderful stuff in also i really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:08   Bernard Cribbins I thought he was used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:09   extremely well I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:12   out you know that I think it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:13   don't we know that it's actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15   moment the claire bloom is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   be the doctors mother might supposedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:20   but I thought her showing up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:21   disappearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:22   whatever the reason it didn't bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:24   there wasn't a strict like Time Lord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   plot reason that came out and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:27   started to let me explain it's fine to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:28   explain explain this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   I think there's enough holes and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32   and other things you could just say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:33   is a thing but this is the way she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:34   dressed bernhard the the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:37   confusing aspect cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   I thought that was terrific and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:41   thought it came to a great conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5741">TS</a>]

01:35:42   because you have that relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43   between the doctor and the master which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   goes back for decades and which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   confused different times that the master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   went from being sort of this creature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   pure evil sort of where the JK Rowling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:53   you know gets her master full name made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:56   of old apart from sort of it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:58   somebody who's just totally evil and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5758">TS</a>]

01:35:59   goals are sort of incomprehensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   because often destroying the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:02   accidentally or on purpose like we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   get a power if there is no universe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   here it's like I thought it was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:09   more direct i love the actor who played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11   the master and at the end he gets to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:14   that thing he gets to say all right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   have an opportunity to sacrifice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:17   they use that really wonderfully I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:20   it went on too long that scene and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   just that bit when bernhard knocks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:25   the door pop pop and you're like oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:28   was the payoff that was fantastic chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31   it's time it's time to go ahead let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:34   have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:34   my favorite episode of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:37   special is the waters of mars Oh affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:41   their you you thought i was going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:42   something else I did you did I did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:45   surprise me from now till the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:46   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   no the waters of mars is genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:51   rtd and fill for just put together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:54   something that was gripping and scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:57   and very Doctor Who I think very doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5817">TS</a>]

01:37:01   who and gets really into the depths of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:05   the darkness the potential for darkness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:07   inside the character and it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:10   it's the kind of story you can only tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:13   on your way out there there's nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:18   for the character go other than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:19   regenerate and start over and start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:23   start lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:24   so waters of mars is just genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:27   television i think from stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:29   beginning to end everything else in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:32   season is light and oh it's light and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:37   fluffy next doctor and planet of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:40   I don't hate although i don't hate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:42   next Doctor Who more than women parsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:47   the difficult even more see is is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:50   fun to watch it is fun to watch in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   next Doctor yes yes I yeah that's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:54   next doctor's fun planet of the dead is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   somewhat less fun although i don't hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   michelle ryan as much as some people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   ask for the end of time I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   reputation among my friends and among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   the Doctor Who podcasting community in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:07   general as the big defender of the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:11   of time and my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:12   yeah I'm not so much defending the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   of time is i am standing against just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:18   irrational hatred of of the two-parter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:21   it is not perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:23   the part where part one is a mess but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:27   think part two works more than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   doesn't work it's I i would agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:33   you that journeys stolen earth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   journeys and are better than the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:36   time but the things that I like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:39   the end of time is our the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:44   doctor doesn't want to go the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47   rails against it it's entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   consistent with the way that the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   has been portrayed by david tennant as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:54   being too attached to who he is and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   he does and even though that may seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:58   undock Trish and venal and whining of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:04   him i do like to see him struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:07   against what he wants to do and what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:10   must do and I think that that makes his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   sacrifice to will more believable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:17   and the best thing about the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:20   is post regeneration the happy balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:25   music Matt Smith just being light and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:28   fluffy and glorious it's been spitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:31   and spitting and it's it Russell T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:34   Davies did the best thing possible he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:37   writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:37   the david tennant regenerate scenes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:40   then hands the script over to moffitt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:42   and says you go and Moffat does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   perfect thing which is we've had a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   of angst now let's have some fun let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   get you excited about seeing this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:49   guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:50   Erica what do you think of the specials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:54   um I wasn't I wasn't joking when I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:57   I like to just pretend that your knees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:59   and with that I'd i do agree that waters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:02   of mars is is excellent in in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:05   feel for it is is awesome and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:09   actually i think i like to feel forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:10   stuff on the sarah jane adventures a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:11   little bit better than this and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:14   just because it's the audience it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:17   yeah it's yes yes a little bit lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   than everybody dying and yeah and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:22   people who are saved or shouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:24   been saved and one of them kills himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:25   and yeah yeah and that I mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:28   whole suicide thing was that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:30   was definitely way too much for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6030">TS</a>]

01:40:32   um and way too much for for teatime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   television i thought yeah i agree i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:36   think the ending is I I guess I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:38   in the story arc but that's not why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   love it that ending is not why i love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:41   i love everything you like the food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43   appearing suddenly yeah sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:45   appearances may be prevented through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:47   proper use of time i like the burden of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:49   we've seen all the whole premise of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:52   waters of mars right is is the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:53   said I can't change everything because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:55   you know of time and and they're fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:58   points and he reaches a point where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   at this base with these people who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   died they all died and he struggles with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:06   the idea of you know IA says I gotta get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:09   out of here and he gets to know them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   he gets the adventure and then he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:12   remind himself of these people all die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:14   and then yes he makes the decision i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   going to screw it i'm going to save them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   and we'll just see what happens and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:20   has horrible consequences but i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:22   that because thatthat's it's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24   the show that to go that far in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   chip said you kind of have to be heading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:28   out the door before you can do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:30   i think just once to say what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6090">TS</a>]

01:41:32   when the doctor is in the no-win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:35   scenario and and then he's and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:37   decides to cheat it's very Captain Kirk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39   actually it's to cheat at the no-win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:41   scenario but yeah i do it i still would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:44   like to pretend you're any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:45   thank you yes oh yes the waters of mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   this is good and i find it hard to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49   anything bad about 440 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   nice guy i can't remember if I hugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   him but we did have tequila together so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   there was that I shook his hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:56   tvs feel for ya he's wonderful he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:59   great but i think i would still throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:02   his script here under the bus if it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:05   it is it is a dispatch double-decker bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   in the sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:08   yeah exactly that is that is the bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:10   that I would toss it under if i could if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:13   i could also get rid of all three of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:15   other specials at the same time that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   that's the caveat there and yes I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:19   on record as its not liking the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   time simply because i love david tennant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   so much he was just I was crushed when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   he was going to leave and I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:27   the way that the rtd sent him out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:29   admitted it turned my knee at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:32   and i just did that really graded on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:35   as somebody who really loves the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:39   and all of its changes and I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:42   being sad when the doctor leaves but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:44   like being sad and knowing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:47   doctor is ok with it that gives me sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:50   of a sense of balance and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:52   everything is right with the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:53   and when the doctors not okay with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:56   that just that does something to me on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   very deep emotional level that I'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   not a right with over the the I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:02   want to go although i think chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:04   because that's rusty was looked at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:06   that's my last line i'm going to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:08   that I the the moment that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:11   really match with what I think is maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:14   the best line in the whole show which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:17   lifted long right where he where he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:21   his rating egomaniacal I'm more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:25   important than anybody i should live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:27   forever nobody nobody else is life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:30   more important than mine and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:33   has the more is like oh yeah I've come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:35   way too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:36   I I this is this i'm out of control here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:38   and that that's a wonderful moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:40   he says no I need to do this I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:42   sacrifice myself for wealth this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:44   the doctor does it's just can't counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46   you know acted a little bit by other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   want to go at the end it's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:50   why you're going that's exactly what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   are have to go swimming after the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:55   finding out what r td's original idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   had been for four tenants last last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:01   episode with that it was it was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   be his original idea was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:05   something much more on a smaller scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   like saving a family on a spaceship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   something very small and intimate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   they want to hit me where i lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   that would have just done it right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:14   me and then the story is and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:16   know if this is true but that Johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:17   said hey you know I'd like to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:19   involved so he had to rewrite it to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:21   the master and that's sort of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:22   everything spiraled into this no giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:25   saving the universe you can see it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:27   back the palm again a little short is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:31   cares enough to save this one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:33   who's gonna be saving these allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:34   himself to die and he's ready to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:35   then because of the time war but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:38   that's that little bit i actually was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:40   surprised when i watch that was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:41   surprising thing was this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:43   doctor does but people always take his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:44   help and he only succeeds and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   refused his help and so I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:48   may be a little bit of an echo of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:49   in there saving one person dying for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:53   yeah and I appreciate that he did at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:55   least made it intimate in the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   you know he it ultimately sacrifices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:59   himself to save wealth who is one kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:01   person I just didn't i didn't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:03   rant the rant eNOS that had to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:05   beforehand that was that that we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07   went it was like fingernails on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:10   chalkboard to me and it hurt to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:12   but I think that's I think that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:14   thing that I think it was supposed to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:15   think the doctor is something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17   know we accept that people are not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:18   selfless this is the thing i did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6318">TS</a>]

01:45:20   radio interview once about KY came up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:23   was about that was about Doctor Who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:24   was always thinking the doctor runs into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:27   dangerous dangerous recognize the danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:28   that's the thing he's you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30   a fireman and there's the the flip side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:32   of it i was talking to a woman who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6332">TS</a>]

01:45:33   writes about psychological stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:36   we're talking about the flip side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:37   psychopath in the hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:38   those are two sides in literature in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:41   good psychological nature of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:42   thing what you don't realize is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   selfless hero is a rule-breaker they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:45   don't confront conventions but we admire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:48   them we wouldn't mind a psychopath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:49   because they seem to do something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:51   is positive x through self-sacrifice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6351">TS</a>]

01:45:53   breaking rules a doctor is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55   psychopath bay psychopath for us we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:57   to see a little bit of the flip side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6357">TS</a>]

01:45:59   that in the episode where he rants about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:02   his own needs for once you know wanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:04   recognition all that and then you got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6364">TS</a>]

01:46:05   under control is that ok ok ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   wow that was too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:10   well and that's another hallmark of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:12   russell t davies Sarah as far as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:15   doctor is concerned both ecclestone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:17   to a greater extent tenants doctors they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:20   are more human then classic doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:24   is tended to serve up and that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:31   that's something that I think has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:33   changed significantly since Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:35   Moffat took over and I think that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:38   is something that makes the Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41   Davis's Doctor Who idiosyncratic I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:45   it and I i enjoy his episodes more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:50   I enjoy moffatts episodes and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:53   perhaps makes me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:55   not as real a doctor who fan as a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:57   with process coffee whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6417">TS</a>]

01:47:01   no I think I think chip i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:05   completely agree that that his doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:08   are more human and it is idiosyncratic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   and while I don't like watching that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:13   style of dr. as much as I like the alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:15   doctor I still really enjoyed it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:17   wouldn't have it any other way because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   think if if he had tried to start off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:21   with a really alien doctor I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:23   don't know if the show would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:24   survived and I think that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:25   that rtd did was with the intent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:28   bringing in new audiences and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30   people to watch and enjoy the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:32   he succeeded and i will bow down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:35   kiss his feet if her meet him because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:37   did such a great job that we now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   this show is still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:40   that is a perfect way to bring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6460">TS</a>]

01:47:41   around and in this episode because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:44   think when we look at the legacy of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:46   the russell t davies here I mean we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:47   quibble about some of his choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:49   his operatic endings and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:51   specials year was miscalculated although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:56   i think even then his idea was that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:58   didn't want it to go off the air for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6478">TS</a>]

01:47:59   even a moment he wanted to keep it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:01   i think I i think that was it i think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:04   calculated sometimes to individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:08   episodes detriment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:09   perhaps I ways to make the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:12   successful because he really wanted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14   to be successful and and maybe some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:17   the choices that we look back and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   like why did that happen was was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:21   that reason and i think you you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:22   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:23   that that one of the reasons these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:25   doctors are how they are is they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:28   have the luxury of making him tom baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   staring off into the distance and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:31   I walk into eternity right they needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:33   people to really attached to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:35   people because he was what he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6515">TS</a>]

01:48:37   ratings he wanted Doctor Who to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:38   reestablished in people's minds so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   it wouldn't go away again and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:43   succeeded and and so even though we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:46   quibble about some of the details i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:48   think there's no doubt about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:49   that he succeeded at what his mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:51   was which was to firmly establish the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:53   show and have it be a modern show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:56   take something that was considered by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:57   lot of people in british television in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6537">TS</a>]

01:49:00   the UK in general to be kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:02   laughingstock because of it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6542">TS</a>]

01:49:04   Saturn lower-rated cheap budget latter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:07   years in the eighties we rightly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:10   wrongly but seen as kind of a joke in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:12   dead property and firmly reestablish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6552">TS</a>]

01:49:15   as a cornerstone of british pop culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:18   and job done he did it and that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:22   if you have to say anything about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   era it's that is he was the man tasked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:26   to bring it back he made a lot of very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:28   interesting not always obvious decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:31   and it paid off because doctor who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:34   here and is firmly established in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:37   that it's hard to even imagine in from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   the vantage point of like the year 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:41   yeah and I'm some completely Gladys by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:43   any criticism I have any individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:45   episodes or anything it's like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:47   whole it's great there are some terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:49   episodes even some of them except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:51   the three worst ones i still watch them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:53   all I mean it wasn't terrible in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:54   doctor's daughter whatever but I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:56   them all and I got something out of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:57   know out of all of them it was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   bit even this entire episode second and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   tennis ball at tennis ball against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:04   back of his neck and uh but he did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:07   think you're totally totally right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:08   create an enjoyable show it was ripping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:11   and gripping gripping gripping and full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:13   of that kind of flipping like horrid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:15   that the i'm not a big fan of horror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:17   genre like suspense maybe a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:19   horror I don't like doctor who is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:21   on the edge of the kind of horror that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   can actually appreciate it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   more so because of the more the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:29   cg and realism everything out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31   the appearance of CG and all the realism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:33   and and just the cinema I think even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:34   Senate at a cinematographic approach and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:36   then he's on saying and so forth they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:37   they are more effective and conveying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:40   horror than the earlier seasons which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:42   were because of the bit of happiness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:44   the set to come across as as more fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:47   even when the horrors going on going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:48   and the new one or more like horror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:51   films and so even with that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:53   enjoy and it's to create a great a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:54   run he set the stage you did a great job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6654">TS</a>]

01:50:57   yeah the if you compare it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59   Moffett era and boy there's 90 podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:03   you can do about that right there are 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:04   different podcasts out they're releasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:06   weekly episodes to comparing the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6666">TS</a>]

01:51:08   areas so just look for those on itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6668">TS</a>]

01:51:10   the i would say the big differences for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:14   me are ya the portrayal of the doctor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:16   different the the approach to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:19   scripts as different as we mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6679">TS</a>]

01:51:20   earlier Steven Moffat doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:22   cover-to-cover rewrites and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:25   sometimes that allows different quirky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:27   voices to come out and I think other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:28   times it shows that they needed more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:30   work and you know you so it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:33   more variable in that in in good and bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   ways what I will say about the Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:37   Moffat era is that I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6697">TS</a>]

01:51:39   they did when they change production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:39   teams but the look of the show is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:42   better in them in the modern era Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:45   pick what the production production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6705">TS</a>]

01:51:46   production design the that the cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:49   the the cinematography the the not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6709">TS</a>]

01:51:52   that they went to HD but the the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   it's shot it is shot like a movie every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:56   week in an able you see in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6716">TS</a>]

01:51:58   frames of the 11th hour it's like hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6718">TS</a>]

01:52:00   to believe it's the same show and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:02   the only way i'd say that that it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:04   really dated to me looking at the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:06   Russell T Davis area is that it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:08   like a a TV show and the Moffett air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:13   feels like a movie to me and that's I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6733">TS</a>]

01:52:15   hard to quantify but I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6735">TS</a>]

01:52:17   something there but script wise it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:19   kinda all over the place in them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:20   Mafia and yeah all although the Moffett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6740">TS</a>]

01:52:22   era is just as guilty as the Davis era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:25   for ending with University yeah it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:28   every single every single it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:32   straight line from series 1 all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:34   up to the to the time of the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:38   the stakes have gotten bigger every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:41   single time literally yeah saving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:44   world or saving the universe has has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6764">TS</a>]

01:52:46   been or are all of time itself or all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:50   time itself all universes everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:53   yes i would really like one of those one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:55   of those kind of quiet emotional stakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:58   where it's about the people and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6778">TS</a>]

01:52:59   about everything in the entire we are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:02   are so far away from the possibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:04   Peter Capaldi even for his last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:08   whenever that is of him dying trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6788">TS</a>]

01:53:11   save one family on a spaceship some but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:13   i will say end of time there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:15   funniest thing was like when can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:17   have Rassilon say we're going to destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:20   the entire concept of time and causation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6800">TS</a>]

01:53:22   in existence like this is getting pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:24   abstract like so we was second work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6804">TS</a>]

01:53:27   there's no I was always likely to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6807">TS</a>]

01:53:29   you but that's how explain later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6809">TS</a>]

01:53:31   actually better because because it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6811">TS</a>]

01:53:33   wonderfully abstract and really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:35   like Phillip philosophy PhD sort of idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6815">TS</a>]

01:53:38   we're just gonna get rid of causation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:39   and matter and it'll be great for us not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:43   for you guys of course not for you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:45   but for us forever but there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6825">TS</a>]

01:53:48   forever because x dead in the spirit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:50   russell t davies commentary tracks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:52   the DVD sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:53   hooray we've reached the end i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6833">TS</a>]

01:53:59   like to thank my guests for for talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   about watching Doctor Who that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:02   like eight hours ago when we started and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6842">TS</a>]

01:54:04   then about the russell t davies here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6844">TS</a>]

01:54:05   which was a lot admittedly did to bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6845">TS</a>]

01:54:07   off but i wanted to do it one go and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6847">TS</a>]

01:54:09   did it we did it we can do this again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   with with the mat smith area sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:13   it's like that it's like the CliffsNotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:15   version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:15   yeah you get us all back again once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:18   worked the time loop it's a chronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6858">TS</a>]

01:54:20   hysteresis yeah Usher and and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:23   still got another month and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6863">TS</a>]

01:54:24   before Peter Capaldi so it's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:27   he's a common i would like to thank my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6867">TS</a>]

01:54:30   guests for once again geeking out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6870">TS</a>]

01:54:32   Doctor Who it is a joy chip sudderth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6872">TS</a>]

01:54:35   two-minute Time Lord audio by guide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6875">TS</a>]

01:54:38   Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6878">TS</a>]

01:54:39   I got any other product that sir is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6879">TS</a>]

01:54:41   enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:42   you know that's enough for now but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6882">TS</a>]

01:54:44   has been an absolute pleasure to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:45   this episode of the two-hour time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6885">TS</a>]

01:54:47   working with you that's right thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6887">TS</a>]

01:54:48   having me on ship I really appreciate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:50   Erica and sign thank you so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6890">TS</a>]

01:54:53   being back and and I feel like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6893">TS</a>]

01:54:55   where we get you back to square one it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:57   like we talked about all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6897">TS</a>]

01:54:58   things with you and it's like back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6898">TS</a>]

01:55:00   doctor just three this is this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:02   I shine this is you know if we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:04   caught in a chronic hysteresis all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:06   have to do is just wagging his tail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6906">TS</a>]

01:55:07   yeah Erica what is it like to be into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6907">TS</a>]

01:55:10   other stuff than doctor who knows it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6910">TS</a>]

01:55:14   not costing Alex later and Fleischmann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:18   of course you may know Glenn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:21   funny that you might not know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:22   Glenn is glenn's and once shared a train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6922">TS</a>]

01:55:25   compartment with Tom Baker's mailman no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:27   no no but my mother ran into rob reiner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:31   when he was making stand by me which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:33   was almost cast in and she and I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6933">TS</a>]

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01:55:37   talked about casting good story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:40   well it's it thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:42   again talking about Doctor Who thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6942">TS</a>]

01:55:45   for taking me to a few chapters sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6945">TS</a>]

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01:55:48   celebrity historical but who's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6948">TS</a>]

01:55:50   celebrity alright and thanks everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:53   out there for listening we hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:54   we've given you some thoughts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:55   Doctor Who that you can take away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6955">TS</a>]

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01:56:03   opinions that you disagree with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:05   that's what podcaster for until next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:07   time on the incomparable this is jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:09   still signing off bye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ28GQQ/6969">TS</a>]