00:00:00 ◼ ► Well I found this is editing out song. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► We have five new countries that have left reviews for us in i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/7">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► and this week it is Bella Ruse China Malta Slovenia and Uruguay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► So again it's awesome to collect more countries we really have quite a full roster now of places that have left i Tunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/18">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► reviews or just want to say thanks to everyone and thanks to everyone from those countries who left a review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/26">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► I was surprised that we only just got China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► and I was almost wondering if the i Tunes store was even available in China. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/36">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► I wasn't sure if it was like You Tube which I don't know that the Internet is aware or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/40">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► but You Tube is not available in China so I was wondering if maybe the i Tunes store wasn't available in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► but that we now do you have the most populous nation on earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► Added to our collection of countries now breaking into big markets now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Yes Yes They're going to take off going to take off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/60">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► We're going to capture all of that China market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and certainly we might have to start doing a China version of the podcast where we do the whole thing again speaking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Mandarin or something. Yes yes that will never happen. So the last podcast was about e-mailing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/71">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► Yes and you gave some advice about a man I think that I personally found really useful when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► and I some of the viewers did and then I sort of went up in my estimations is a name I had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► Thank you and then last night he sent me like I guess maybe for a normal person it would be and I came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/92">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► But some crazy like very alone for you a bit rambling you didn't apologize for it in the mouth agape any rethinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/102">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► the thing. No I'm just tired very tired and you were last on my email queue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/111">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► And I thought I was being much more rational than I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► but yes I did rather a rambling e-mail that did not make a whole lot of sense and I thought in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/123">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and yes that was that was perfectly timed to come after the show about sending efficient emails so I was for that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/131">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► some some sort a Kickstarter a crass campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► and if people give enough money I will like share with the world now I don't think that's necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/141">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► and I don't think we need to do that now. We could skip we can get one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/146">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► What else is going on then have it was a been much else much else in the feedback I've been following the red it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/151">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► Yes I have I've been following the Reddit as well and I think we both commented upon it in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/158">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► Someone left an absolutely hilarious image that I want to find out whoever left this image I need to know where this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/164">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► from but this is Harry's image under just what the link said. C G P gray visits Brady in his house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/172">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► When you click the link it go to this comical picture of this robot standing in a cave man's dwelling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/181">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► I'm looking at it now and fix it and it is absolutely perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► I know talking about a photo is not excellent podcast fodder and I do recommend people go and have a look people O.S.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/195">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► Funnily enough for some strange reason this does look like you like that robe is somehow kept as you I don't know how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/204">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► think I want to know I think that's why it's that's why it's funny is I can look at that robot too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► and feel like I am kin to this creature that we're on we're on the same level there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► So whoever does how does the caveman as well has kind of low matted ginger hair sort of adds to the brightness of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/225">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► as well. Yes Yes I don't have quite such impressive biceps unfortunately but yes so what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/233">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I'm going to show notes people can check that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and if someone can tell us where the original poster can tell us we have had from I'm really curious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► It looks like it's from some T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► Show in the sixty's maybe I don't know exactly but I'd be really curious to know the origins of that image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► and under I and I think until Ryan is the person who posted it so hopefully they're listening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/254">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► That was hilarious and it really made my screen today so I'm looking at it through the park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/262">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► and look into those gray like what else what else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/270">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► From follow up I don't know if I should mention this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► but you did ask a question which I never really got around to answering in the previous one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/281">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► but you asked me some examples of. Terrible e-mails that I get. Worst practice yet worst practices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/287">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► when I was going through my e-mail of the day I just made a note of some of the e-mails I do get so just very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/295">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► some of my least favorite things to get are the sort of e-mail that people write where apparently random words in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/301">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► sentence are kept flocks they're written in all caps and it's like these people want to use italics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/310">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► but instead they just use all caps and so you read it as though they're sort of shouting every fifth or sixth word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/318">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► I get enough of those usually from people who are very angry about something that I've mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► and that they think is right or wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► So that's that's an an example of creating an example of of a professional one that here tapes heck out of me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/333">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► sending e-mails to schedule phone calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► or meetings without actually telling me anything at all about what we were going to have a phone call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► or a meeting about. That's a very bad practice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► Just say the ones that I get the most often which I do delete them just. Right away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► But I almost feel like you know good try good try kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► Is kids in school basically asking me to write essays for them on a particular topic which happens often enough some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► kid will literally send me like a scanned image of his homework assignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► and say you know I need to write a three hundred word essay on this particular topic would you mind doing that for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/379">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► Obviously I'm not going to do that but you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► Almost like props to you for asking but delete immediately it takes you six weeks to write a script. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► Alums are going to take you to going to school if you ever see the thing is with a school essay if I did write it I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► would have no incentive to do it well at all. Enough of us saying oh no I'm not the one is going to get the D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/399">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► The whole the whole category of e-mails that I get because of making mathematics videos of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/406">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► or science videos in general really people who have serious people who like to think they have discovered a perpetual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/413">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► motion on you know a new form of nuclear energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► and then it sort of all if you like yeah that's OK A lot of them that has spiked this week that I made a video about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► the Riemann Hypothesis which is the sort of the greatest unsolved puzzle now in mathematics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► And inevitably I started getting e-mails now from people who. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/436">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and of course I'm in no position to know if I've cracked on it puts me in a difficult position to eye to eye to late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► I say that for to a mathematician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► and therefore become you know from the craziness of myself in every forwarding on no this is difficult for this at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/452">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► Delete is the correct and this is not this is something to ponder or feel anxiety over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► but imagine if you had got a letter from REM in Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► and just said the late you know sometimes you going to have a look and see if there's any gold in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/467">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► No no you do not not when people are sending you math proofs e-mail to you who they should know is not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/472">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Actually you know the professor who can necessarily verify this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► Well actually I don't know if you've come across it I was just reading I was reading an interesting book called Average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/486">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► is over by Tyler Cowen I think is the author's name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/494">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► but in it he mentions this thing about how with a lot of modern math proofs for something like the the Riemann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/499">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► conjecture that there basically isn't even any individual human who can know if this is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/507">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► or not any more than that for these big math proofs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/516">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► What the math community does is that they they break it down into the smallest pieces they can inform that off to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/520">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► whole bunch of experts in those individual areas who then everyone has to come back with a consensus about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/528">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► and kind of come to a community decision about whether all these pieces fit together to prove the thing as a whole I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/536">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► don't know if you come across that but I I found that interesting just to think about like boy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► It's not like you can eat someone can even just send in a proof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and one person can necessarily really work it out on their own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/551">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► I mean even something like Poincare never cite correctly point where conjecture you know though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/556">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► and yeah I was one of the only one of the seven Millennium Problems that has been so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► And even that was sort of just it was solved by attrition in many ways I mean they solved it for all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/566">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► and then eventually the NE dimension they couldn't so awful was the third dimension so that became the Holy Grail in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/572">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► this guy code to tell you that was not Hamilton came up with a way to do it using Ricci Flow But then finally Perlman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/579">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► who ended up getting all the glory came up with this surgery technique that he applied to the Ricci Flow that made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/590">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► so verbose so you know even even when it. Not a big tame doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► It's usually one person building on all these other all these other things and I'm one of the reason it's home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/601">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► and gave for rejecting the Millennium Promise was he felt like you shouldn't be giving this prize to one person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/607">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► know I couldn't have done it without Hamilton's work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and I'm not totally convinced in some of the mathematicians I speak to it totally convinced that's the only reason he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/617">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► rejected the million dollars but it's certainly reason he gave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► Yes I think that that one was actually mentioned in the in the book that I was reading as an example of a proof that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/628">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► had to be farmed out to a whole bunch of people to try to figure out you know this is even correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► That's the only thing I might mention here is that a lot of people commented on how serious I got at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/640">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Yes and little how I might have noticed that I can see when I was talking this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► when I was talking about my my addiction to checking my email. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/655">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► Yeah that's what you were talking about and I guess I can hear it in my own voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► but enough people commented on Reddit that they noticed the swing in my tone to suddenly very serious tone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/663">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► And yes it is true I just want to make a little a little comment about that about why I want to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/672">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► but Internet addiction email addiction Twitter addiction even there you said a little bit more serious shopping. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/679">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► So I don't want to be an after school special you know. Listen you know we all had fun today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/687">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► But e-mail a Sirius radio for a few of your friends along here to talk on the podcast as well we want to speak to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/693">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► about this problem. Yeah I guess I try to say that without that it really is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/699">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► But the but the reason that I do I do take that stuff very seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► and I notice it just like what the nature of addiction is like these kind of sort of psychological addiction that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/708">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► have to things like email and I'm not talking like a physical addiction like like a drug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► And if you're doing an experiment on a human and you want to encourage them to continue in a behavior the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/720">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► and most effective way to do that is with something called random reinforcement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► You know if you want some someone or some lab animal you know to press a button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/733">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► The best way to make sure they press that button as often as possible is to not give them a consistent reward you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/738">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► don't give them a food pellet each time but give them a random reward. Sometimes they get nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/745">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Sometimes they get a whole bunch of food pellets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► You know sometimes they get very few food pellets but there's a random distribution in the reward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► And basically for all mammals that is maximally addictive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► and this is why things like slot machines can be very addictive for people right because they're they are random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/765">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► You know if you put if you put like a quarter in a slot machine every time you got back twenty cents nobody would play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► them. Right because we like to be very obvious what's what's happening. But if you if you vary the reward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/777">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► That like mammalian brains are just designed to really hook into that kind of behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and so that's why that's basically what I like Twitter and even you know Reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/792">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► and email can be really addictive in that way because this random reinforcement right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Sometimes you go to your email and it's something really important that you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► or something really interesting on Reddit and lots of times it's just kind of nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► but your brain is always like hoping for a big payoff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► And that's why like we mentioned last time so I was like I don't remember opening Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► but Twitter is open like clearly I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► and that's exactly what that is like that's that is a sign that your your brain is engaged in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► This random reward response and is really looking for that so that's why I got super serious and I will leave it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/825">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► I'll try not to talk about that anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► I make you feel really good here with all this talk about like you know the male brain behavior isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/834">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Addictions and like I realize I'm kind of part of this conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► Well I am part of this conversation too I this is why I am always sad that I'm not a robot I'm not that robot in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/845">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► image before because I'm keenly aware of like the sad sad limitations of my own mammal monkey brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/850">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► Though I think this clever rational person right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► but I have a monkey brain in my skull just like every other human does and that monkey brain is easily distracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► and it doesn't want to pay attention like it engages in all this horrible self destructive behavior. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/868">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► So that's what this is like being productive is learning to deal with the monkey in your head who just wants to sit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/873">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► the sunshine and eat bananas you know or go run around and do other kinds of stuff so that's not enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► Enough with the seriousness. Just mention a quick link this is going back a couple shows ago but on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/886">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► When my favorite sections of Reddit is a section called change my view which is not exactly a formal debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/895">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► but they have more rules than most sections on Reddit do and people put forward an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and then people try to change their view on whatever the topic is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► And there was an interesting discussion a little while ago that related to our episode about advertising an ad blocking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/912">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► but the change in my view the debate topic was you know if using an ad block is stealing content stealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/920">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► and I like them then so is going to the bathroom during a commercial break. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/929">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► Change my view so that the person is arguing that that ad blocking on the Internet is the equivalent of simply not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/935">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► and It's as with many of the discussions on that sub Reddit it's a very interesting discussion back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► and forth between a whole bunch of people so I found it interesting to read through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and I will put that in the show notes and something related to our episode episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Four or five I can't keep track of them now this is seven right around seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► Oh this is our last prime number of the experiment and it is our last prime number of the experiment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/965">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► Good ol you thinking that thinking it was C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/971">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Was this debate cross posted to the newly created freebooting some credit to the other day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/975">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► Yes I saw someone I saw someone made that I took a little screen shot because I thought now you are the one who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/983">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► pushing this freebooting word again. Again Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I'm totally fine with copyright infringement though I will I will admit if I don't copyright infringement the term I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► hope not to read it. Yes the term the term although I will acknowledge it is very awkward in certain circumstances. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► But I noticed a notice on the description of the freebooting sub Reddit it's this The description is that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► suburb that is about those who don't want to pay or are about those who don't pay for content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1013">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► and I think if I'm understanding your use of the term freebooting that that this is not to be confused with piracy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► freebooting is to be applied to the the people who are making money off of content creators materials. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► It's not talking about the people who may be viewing that content elsewhere or just tormenting it or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► or something else that is correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► I think rebooting I think you grossly overestimate the amount of so I've put into the term free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► but I think you disappoint me greatly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► But I'll go with whatever you said I think it's a code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► and I think infringement like my position is clear on this as is yours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► OK but if someone someone made a freebooting sub read it I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► I haven't I haven't gone over to look at how much discussion is over there. Put it in this manner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► This word catches on in anyway. Like I'll be so proud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► Original podcast was brought about to become like a star document it well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► Well that will that will be in the Oxford English Dictionary when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► when they talk about first usage of a term it oh yeah right because that's what they need to have like earliest known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► use of this word in the big Brady cast. I like that. Hello Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1099">TS</a>]
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00:20:15 ◼ ► Squarespace everything you need to create an exceptional website Pi Day it is Pi Day today that a little sorting it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► or much foretelling so we get this three one for right so we are using the American month because there is no sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► third of the fourteenth month I think Gavan Brits and Europeans are quite happy to go with this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► Yeah it seems like it's become one of these Internet holidays I've been seeing everybody on the Twitter talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► it today. Yeah so obviously making a having a You Tube channel about numbers I have a tremendous interest in power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► I think I've made about fifteen videos about really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► Yeah that's a whole playlist of them that and I like it sounds like you need a channel dedicated to PI fifteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► Those maybe maybe will stick with the one for the butt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► So I put a couple of videos up today that says that this year's product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► but I don't want to talk about them I want to talk about via its video the pod for those who don't know how you should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► Yes she's a she's certainly a favorite of both both of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Yes and a good friend and her video for Pi Day today like like all her videos was excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► I mean essentially in a nutshell I mean I hope people will watch it if they haven't already sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► but in a nutshell she was saying that pi is no big deal it's a very it's a very ordinary It's an ordinary number like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► every single other number on the number line and I guess some of the points she made were really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► and educational about you know there are an infinite number of numbers with a repeat. In digits and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► But the tone of the video was pies no big deal. What's the big deal with Pi Day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► Pi is a nothing number she sort of you know was in attacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► or chipping away a lot of the things people love about pi and fair enough and ice and I said I enjoyed it very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► but I do think that pi is allowed to be special and exceptional and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► or not we celebrate PI days that's just a silly thing isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► But I think it is OK to celebrate pi and to love pi and I love pie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► Now I want to I've been thinking about why that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► and so some of this maybe comes back to what you were talking about with kind of this random reinforcement that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► maybe the ordinariness and the complete and utter opera treatise of Pi is why we love it that a number that seems so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1370">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► Just weirdly out of nowhere just like a distant strange number that has nothing special about it to look at it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► become such a celebrity and could tweak them so imbued with meaning to us as humans is what we like about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► Like almost it's almost like a product of its own sort of celebrity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► It's a bit like it's like the one out of the I won the lottery I won the lottery like because of because we chose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► put some significance into the ratio of a circle's the time it was because I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► and I can see why we did that because the circle is a it is a pretty special shape but it is just another shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► But because that particular ratio we decided to celebrate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► So then we had to go and find the poor out number on the number line happen to represent that ratio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► and this one number was just plucked from its. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► and said Good on you number you know you have some significance to us because you somehow relate to the will I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► that is like I think that appeals to us as humans like the way we our appeal to the the lucky person who lands the half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► court shot at the basketball game or the person who has the one hundred million dollar winning lottery ticket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► I mean there's nothing special about that person. They just were in the right place at the right time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► They were plucked from obscurity amongst all the other humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► and I think they feel like it was just like some kind of a I think it was to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► I'm not a robot like you is not going to understand that the agent of Pi ludic really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► So I think I think it's a very human thing today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Like I mean like like like like like how some people have a soft spot for Saturn because it's got rings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► or you know we we look for them and that's that is different I think description of others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► There's all these poor numbers milling around and like we as a society have taken there's one number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► and then raised him up to celebrity status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► and he was the he was the lucky guy him right place at the right time for that up that whole description. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► Very hard to relate to and so I want to know what do you think do you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► Do you subscribe to you know what's the big deal with pirates. It's you know it's a number of you know are you OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Well first of all I just did to mention advise video if you haven't watched it go watch it now and then come back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► That link isn't in the show notes because there will be mild spoilers for the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► but the thing the thing that I like about the video was basically VI was going through all of the things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► normally said about the uniqueness of Pi and pointing out how they are not unique. And she was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1552">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Doing it with very typical VI humor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► I she really got me to to laugh out loud a couple times in the video you know what you're going to get you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► you're going to point out that you know people talk when I was out as an infinite number of digits you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► Well five has an infinite number of digits just so happens to be that all those digits are zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► Right but so the infiniteness of these numbers is not special and something that I hadn't ever really thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► but talking about irrational numbers that there's an infinite number of irrational numbers it's not like there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► like a couple of special ones and pi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► and you happen to be those special numbers which is something I never really thought about in that exact way which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► why I like five videos she was pointing out these things you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► So she was just taking apart all of the unique elements of Pi and I think doing it doing it in a very good way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► I really liked it. Yeah and I love and I had a lot and it was thought provoking for that reason. Yeah it was that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► Boston think it's OK to love pine think it's special. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► OK so now before before I tell you my opinions on this I will first say that back in high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► and I was very very bored I actually spent a bunch of time memorizing the digits of pi you know because I was there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► A nerdy person now I know I'm not like one of these these Olympiads memorizes tens of thousands digits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► but I had somewhere around the first two hundred digits. Well like I said massive. Well it is impressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► It found the present it is not as impressive as actually sounds because I was using you know this memory techniques for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► this kinds of things where you can transform digits into words and in the words into sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► and so it's not as hard as it as it actually sounds to memorize an arbitrary sequence of digits you know this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► is basically a technique that I learned for school and to memorize stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► and so that I was you know just doing this as a as a as a border kind of thing I thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► It was cool to them of the nerdy high school time and I never came across to how until some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► when I was in college I don't remember exactly when but the math professor brought it up as a two parter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► This is twice pi. Yeah yeah he was a more obvious Constantius. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► Yes So basically I think that to sum it up is that pi is based on the diameter of the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and how is based on the radius of the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► and the argument is usually that were you talking about in both most shapes you talk about the most fundamental part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► and for a circle is the most fundamental part of the radius not the diameter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► and so pies a little weird that it's using this non fundamental part of the shape too to define it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► So my opinion on the whole pie versus Tao debate is one of utility and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► when I heard about how honest to God so much of trigonometry really clicked in my mind and I thought I saw. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► But I know this is just a conversion of of a factor of two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► But boy did it suddenly trigonometry made a whole lot more sense in my mind with the PA I was switching from high to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► Tao and so that's why I have I have read things from other mathematicians saying that this is a way out of my league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► but that Tao is only really useful in this kind of high school college level math and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► when you get beyond this level you know maybe there are there are arguments in favor of Pi I don't really know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► but I would just say for the level of math that I was doing how I made things just instantly so much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and you know being able to understand that the sine function you know talking about in every every kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► High school was listening to me now right you have to do you know you have to memorize these things you know what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► the sign of pi over to what is the sign of pi over four and you need to have these things off the top of your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► and it just you know it seems like it's completely arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► but if you if you use Tarot Instead it's always just a fraction of the direction around a circle so if someone asks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► know what's the sign of Tao over four you start to think OK well I go a fourth of the way around the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► and if you imagine that on a number line it's very obviously one I hope I'm doing this right in my head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► And so you know a towel over to you go halfway around the circle you know what's the height of zero so I am in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► tau because it just to me made so much of trigonometry make immediate sense where the PI stuff I had always had a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► time with pine radian the never quite gotten it so there are some good there are some good videos on there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► You probably enjoy the film I actually want to tell because hey he's Protel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and talks about some of those things you were just talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► But even if you use tell it's still just you know it's still an arbitrary constant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► Where do you stand on this idea of us celebrating an arbitrary number and you know having the celebrity numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► Well I think celebrity numbers. I know what you mean. So I think it's a funny term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► I mean I would say I am I am for it you know for example I love the fact that there is a Pi Day I'm not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► all grumpy because I think how is a better number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► and then we're having a Pi Day because this is like this whole day allows this discussion to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► and it brings math up as a topic so I'm very much in favor of that goes away that I did not know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► So yeah I'm I'm in favor of celebrity numbers like you know I can't conceive of a reason not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► and if you know if people really like pie I think I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Think they were part of the celebrity of Pi is that it is an interesting looking number right whereas tao looks too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► much like an imaginary number is an I O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► Symbol it's a symbol it's a very cool symbol of people who can follow me on twitter know that I have been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► working my way through the wire. The T.V. Series for probably the fourth or fifth time now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► MAN Yeah man I could talk about that forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► and there is a character in the second season who has a tattoo on the back of his neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► and I would wonder if this is assuming that maybe the actors had to I was always kind of curious about X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► It's the detail that is striking in the second season and seemed a little bit out of place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► So I can see why it is more prominent as a feature or it looks cool on movie posters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► and if you want to have something mathy you put high up there it's immediately recognizable whereas lots of other mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and goals they're just using boring old regular letters you know and it's that's that's not as interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► Well I'm very sorry for humanizing them but I am I am rather sleep deprived and maybe maybe my brain is addled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► but I think I'm a bit more like that I quite like the I I just I think the level of your description just just struck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► I mean it's an analogy isn't that you get you get that of course I don't know anything and I think humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► but I think we can I think we like I think people like you know just appeals to people like the underdog is that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► because that is exactly why I say it's an underdog who would have thought that sometimes a lot of obscure irrational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► numbers just sit in a little while after three could have become the hero of numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► and he did he did he said he sat there he sat there thinking Oh I'm never going to amount to anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► and then one day he became the symbol that even C.D.P. Gray talks about only the podcast you should write a book. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► I think up in Britain. If you're by the children's book about maybe I should like growing videos about it instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► Yeah right. What's going on with you I think I think we have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► Even for a celebrity member we have given PI its juice today. Yeah I think so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Right so I want to I want to complain about something for a minute here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► when I complain about is the West Coast time zone and had a blast last week I said the East Coast is the best coast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► Which again a lot of feedback on that one but you are in the West Coast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► I am and I am in London right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► and I have come to say that the the West Coast has the world's most inconvenient time zone ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► I cannot stand the West Coast Time Zone. I'm with you I'm with you there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► So I'm So I'm so glad about this I remember at the last. You too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► Edu conference I was getting into arguments with people over that road and thought it was some kind of lunatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► and of course it doesn't help you to argue with the locals about the craziness of their own time zone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► and it is as you can see for the last couple days even us just trying to schedule this thing the California late waking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► up it just it just kills scheduling meetings. So inconvenient. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► So many like I I mean half the reason I'm delirious and making stupid arguments about pi is because I had to stay up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► or not because I wanted to put my videos up and respond to them at a time that was good for people in Europe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► and on the East Coast and also the number Tom I have often had people having phone calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► and they're saying OK well if so everyone's finished work now so maybe we'll put some calls into them tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and was like in the middle of the day for people here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► Yes yes I have to say at the time that this really killed me the most. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► And again I will have to be a bit vague here but when I was having those problems with the sub. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Launch during the summer I would say some reasonable portion of the amount of time it took to get those problems sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► was due to the time difference between the East Coast and the West Coast of the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► and I was on the East Coast at the time I happened to be in America and of course because I'm on the East Coast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► Since I'm the one who wakes up first it feels like OK you're looking at your clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► and just waiting for California to wake up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► You know so they can get the ten voice mails or emails that you've sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and then you know it's like you only have this narrow window of time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► when even the east coast in the West Coast a kind of a line for business deals you know or business dealings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► and then you know God help you if you're in London trying to schedule something with someone on the on the west coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and so West Coast Time Zone. I do not approve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► I think it's making us feel like this weird out of time this went on there you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► On the west coast of even just things like Twitter you know if you know it's evening time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and that's my I'm more likely to be on Twitter messing around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and I realize oh I'm not getting any replies because the rest of the world is asleep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► I've noticed that you know it's just it's absolutely bizarre So I think West Coast you need to do something about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► closeness is unsolvable. You realize it's because of the position on the earth and the sun of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► Well actually if I can find for the show not what I read I read a really good article where someone had a proposal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► was not too crazy for how to at least change the US into two time zones so that you basically would have a time zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► running down the middle of the United States and so that they would only they would only be off by an hour. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► And this was also combined with one of my favorite things which is getting rid of Daylight Savings Time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► And so you could do a switch during one of the daylight savings times and just hold everything steady with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2272">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Two giant time zones in the United States will only be one hour off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► and I'd like I really like that plan what can we do to get this to get this sorted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► I approve of this but then a whole bunch of people at the Navy was going to compromise I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► and some people are going to have to work in the call you know duck like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► and that's not going to change where the Sunnies and the country safe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► I understand it's not going to change where the sun is up but I knew. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► But as I read through it it was it was reasonable with Sun sunrise and sunset times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► and then I think on top of that if you just stop with the daylight savings nonsense of moving around the hours all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► time people will just adjust that people will get used to it it's like it's like I moved here to London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► and I remember the first winter I was here. I literally just freaked out the first time the sun set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► All of the sudden it four o'clock after the Daylight Savings Time change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► I remember sitting in a classroom and looking outside and it was pitch black for a thirty minute clips of something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► Honestly just did not know what was going on because I have not lived this far north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► and now I will say it has taken me a good eight years to get used to the winters in London and how early the sun sets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► But you get used to it eventually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► And so I think if America if they adapted to two time zones people would get used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► and then everyone would be happier. And by everyone I mean in the ME and that is what I'm looking for there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► So I don't know if you can I will have to do daylight savings another day because I mean I can understand the arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► but I have such an a stout chick attachment to daylight savings like because it just reminds me of the excitement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► getting to stay up later and play cricket with my mates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► and things that I did have a funny experience the other night was because it just changed here in the AM on the West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► Coast and I didn't know it was happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► Oh yeah that's right it was just daylight savings time in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and it's going to be they're going to the changeover at the end of the month here in London. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► I was up and I know I'm capable of wasting vast amounts of time on Reddit and Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► and I was up in the middle of the not reading Wikipedia articles and I didn't know the changes was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► or it happened but my computer did and I know I didn't notice the change and I sort of looked at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► and then I read another Wikipedia article and I looked up at the top O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► My girl and within time gone you know I'm capable of wasting time I spent an hour reading about that one incident. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► REICH this is this is Florida right and it was like two days later that I found out of the happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and I was kind of relieved you know I had made some going to fight I will put in make a note on our little notes file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► We're always terrified of running out of things to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► but we can talk about daylight savings time at some point in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► but we do it while you're there that two other things you can add to that list then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► Yeah Fahrenheit and Celsius and maybe just metric. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► I know we've discussed this before amongst amongst us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► but you know that's going to be done some you know we can talk about that some time here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► Yeah I would just as a final times I think I will just I was put in that while I do think you know East Coast is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► best coach I love these because United States London clearly has the best time zone in the whole world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► I love Clinton's time zone and it was good it is the most convenient time zone ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► Nothing in London centric or anything coming at the London Times and I don't think I care about right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► If the London Times that my Greenwich is here I don't know what else anyone needs to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► but yeah I love it you know you have sort of had a whole morning to get stuff done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and then you can shoot stuff off to you know shoot emails and phone calls after people in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► and then they have a whole working day you know to to to deal with whatever you sent them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► and you know I just love the London Times and it's just the best it is the absolute best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2511">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Times and even though I don't live in London and I enjoy Oh so sorry for the borrowing your times and in London. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► So one other thing I was going to bring up was the Malaysia Airlines plane crash which has been in the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► Yes So this is this is something that again talking we can talk about in a future topic I.E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► I make a very conscious effort to not follow the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► and so I know kind of literally nothing about this except that there was last time I even saw some headline it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► So I actually as we speak now it still is the last line they have and I say a plane crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► but they haven't found the blind so it is presumed presumed yet. So you would have to tell me about this them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► Well I mean for the for that very reason that it hasn't been found and no one knows what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► Certainly while we record this I was going to talk about that specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► but I thought I would talk about plane crashes in general just because you know his podcast is about talking about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► interests and plane crashes. Actually our an interest of mine and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► I guess we don't cuss that people think seem to make you look crazy from time to time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► and we know we're going to this time it's my turn having you know having done PA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► and now talk about my interest in plane crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► I'd love to start by saying very quickly how serious I think the plane crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► and this Malaysia Airlines missing plane is like a serious issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► and was there you know two hundred odd people on that plane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► Movement with families and friends and and I would never and will not sort of the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► or diminish what they're going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and I hope I hope you know I never have to go through something as catastrophic as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► but I do have a very great interest in plane crashes and I always have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► It's kind of you know we all have these sort of topics that we read voraciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and run from a plane crashes is certainly certainly one of them. I sort of I read N.T.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► Plane crash reports is it out of the house is out of a morbid fear that you read but I don't think it's a fear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► I fly a lot and you know I guess I think about my plane crashing as much as the next person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► but it's not like a fear that cripples me or makes me reluctant to fly it really is just an interest but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► and it's a hobby I would want to call a hobby but it is just it is it is a topic of great interest to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► and I've been trying to figure out why I would find plane crash is an interesting topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► I have kind of been doing a bit of soul searching as I spend hours upon hours of reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► and reading about it as one might be a reading of all this material and so I think what is your conclusion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2690">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► I think for me plane crashes are sort of a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► A confluence or a perfect storm of topics and issues that really appeal to my brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► Some of those technology this is because there's always a great deal of technology involved in a plane crash whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► it's for better or worse human drama. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► So because because obviously the incident itself is dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► and there are a number of humans trying to do with it usually little say there's a Unfortunately a great number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► people are usually affected just sitting in the back and they all in turn have their own stories and human drama. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► And while it's really terrible I think you know as a human I take a great interest in the stories of other humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► For better or worse there's real extremes like we have you know extremes of speed and altitude and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2750">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► Which sort of appeal to my engineering mechanical brain this great sometimes is great folly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► and I think that's something that always appeals to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► or you know hubris gone wrong sometimes I think I think slot is still something that fascinates fascinates us you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► humans still look up a plane going overhead although we've had them for many years they still amaze us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and that that can go wrong in such a spectacular way is how it's hard to ignore what's hard to ignore for me I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► there's lots of things about plane crashes that really appealed to my to my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► and I wish I wish they wouldn't happen and I I think they're terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► But they do interest me a lot and I just remind you know with what's happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► Just recently with this missing airliner it's it's reminding me again that interest me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and I just thought it was a sort of something I put out there because you know you've put a bit of yourself out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► from time to time so I'm happy just to let people know this is a strange strange interest of mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► I mean I don't I'm not the Lone Ranger obviously there's a great there's a whole industry in plane crash television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► shows you know National Geographic channel going in air crash investigation as it's called in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► Is actually one of my favorite programs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► I sort of I've seen them all now that I know that this is this interest of yours I'm not surprised that a show called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► plane crash investigator is your favorite show and you've seen them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► and you probably have them all recorded visit there's a guy there's a guy who knew right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► And like when I watch a semi to I don't watch it much anymore because I think I've seen them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► but I used to watch them all the time and my Mrs used to get sick of me watching all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► when we get on a plane together she feels like she can hear that narrator's voice like in her head I'm going you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► they got on the flight I said not in the morning on A C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► I mean we come day and night but little did they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► or so anyway I had not felt that's helpful for your your plane travel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► but that anxiety on the days that I have you can see before we blame travel is terrible enough as it is always good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► throw that in and a narrator of doom in the back if you can but it's not it's not an anxiety for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► But OK but maybe I've created an anxiety for her. Unfortunately the job you know there are many I said no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► Anyway you have you have no interest in plane crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► I mean I guess I'm interested in avoiding them to be my primary interest in plane crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► I can't say that I have ever. Read anything about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► In particular I mean I think maybe like many other people when the plane for a brief moment drops in altitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► and you get that feeling in your stomach I definitely think well I guess I'm going to die now right for a split second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► but I'm happy to see the beginning of the end of my interest in plane crashes is just hoping that they don't happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► me and also Dear Internet before you write in about this. I'm fully aware that plane travel is incredibly safe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► My mom is a flight attendant. I have flown lots in my life so I'm the logical part of my brain is not afraid of flying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► But if if you lose altitude in a plane for a split second I do think well I guess that's the end of my existence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► OK I'll give you two nuggets today two nuggets from some things one thing that I just learned recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► and one that's an old one but the two of my favorite stories about plane crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► and I might give you some insight into the kind of trivia that makes an appeal to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► One was quite a famous incident was a Swiss Air flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► and the plane caught fire above the cockpit while they're in the air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► There's nothing worse than a fire on a plane and unfortunately it resulted in the plane crashing into the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Say off Nova Scotia I think anyone died as you know is a terrible terrible thing terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► One thing I just found out race and it was very interesting is that on the plane was a very famous Picasso painting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► And there in the youth recovered a tiny tiny shred shred of it afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► but you never think about the cargo on a plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and another thing that was on that plane they recovered a lot of the wreckage from the bottom of the say one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► things they didn't recover was a whole bunch of I think diamonds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► and James it was like an unusually large stash of diamonds on the plane and went down with it as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and they didn't find it and you talk about there's a you know there's a million stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► and I love stories I guess you know that's that's my nature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► And writing crash has a million stories in one event and that appeals to me. All ending can do well not always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► And he's my second story it was another plane crash I can't remember the date as Unfortunately I used to know quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► People did die but not everyone died and one of the people who didn't die was the co-pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► and just as the plane was about to crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► and it looked like he was going to die the last thing he did knowing that his voice was being recorded on the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► recorder which tells his wife that he loved her he said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Laura coming on I am I mean Laura Laura I love you he said to the voice recorder the last thing that was said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► and then bang the plane hit the ground. He ended up surviving. How many brownie points do you think he got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► Yeah that's good like my you know I have to say you know my last thoughts are viewed as like proof of the proof that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► this is a good story for the person who survives into you know just thinking as as you tell me about your interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► plane crashes. So at this point we have had I don't know the exact stats but we have had several hundred thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3111">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Isn't downloads of these podcast episodes which is which is quite a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► and I was thinking there is that given the numbers of people who are listening right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► People on the internet who hear my voice at this very moment there is a non-zero chance that there is someone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► listening to this in the waiting area of an airplane in the waiting area of an airport or on an airplane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► or they're on an airplane that's true or they're about to get on an airplane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► So you've given them a little gift of extra anxiety that Brady has from you to the listeners in airports right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► I hope I'm not freaking you out if you're hearing me and you actually are in there in an airport. Tim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► Can I also just add that there's also a non-zero chance that people listening to this have lost loved ones to a plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► crash and in fact I have I know someone who had died in an aviation accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and I just want to say one final time that while I have an interest in the topic like like I guess I like people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► know I guess or people who take an interest in Bulls in the military. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► I also I think plane crashes are very serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► and you know I don't I don't want people to think I'm taking some some gleeful interest in the misfortune I think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► just a technical and human interest thing for me and if anyone has had that happen to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► Please know that I can relate to it because I've had a similar thing happen so yeah I think I think that I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and that goes for whenever we talk about any any topic that actually touches on the Unfortunately near infinite realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► You know it's like there's always gallows humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► and that is a way that that humans sometimes deal with this kind of thing in day to day I will have a final note for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► you and for the listeners if there are people who share Brady's obsession with airplane crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► I have been listening to the new podcast that's on my road and I'm just going to. I recommend it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► It's a podcast called pragmatic that's run by two guys called John and Ben and one of them is him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► He's an engineer of some sort in Australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► and they do episodes where they talk about various engineering related things for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► But they recently did an episode that I listen to out a link in the show now it's called cause in effect where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► were talking about analysis of failure and so what like what do engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► and safety experts actually do after failure events in any kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► Industrial power plants they mentioned airplanes in particular for a reasonable section of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► and I have I have found the show interesting to see here what you know what the the insights from a real professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► in the field talking about engineering topics and so this one about failure analysis was very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and I have a big section about airlines so I will put that in the show notes for listeners to potentially check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► and for Brady to go potentially So you sold me on it definitely put it and put it in the notes there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► We think going on now maybe we should have a topic. Now I don't I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► Sooner or sooner or later it's going to be nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► but feedback right as as as a Assuming that this goes on for a while as a function of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► Right because eventually everything turns towards feedback but not today yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► but we're getting close there I guess now which is definitely let me tell you a story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► Yes I changed schools partway through high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► and I moved to a new school where French was taught as a language everyone had to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► and all my fellow students had been doing it for two years and I had never ever encountered a single word of French. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3352">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► And on my first day in class I was called upon to read from the book first you know to sort of gauge what I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and I think the first thing I had to say. I had to read was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► I can't remember if it was a Jew I'm a pill I think I think it might have been just sway and I think I said Je suis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► or something like that and I was laughed at terribly by all the other students [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► and I was told that that's how far behind I was. That's how little I knew. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► So I so my and I was behind and I never caught up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► and I was I was quite a good student you know as a quite decent marks and I found school quite easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► But languages in particular French I never I never got there it was it was a real Achilles heel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► and it remained so to this day I am very bad at picking up any aspects of a foreign language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► when I need to be very interested to hear your thoughts on language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► The reason that this is a topic that I thought is worth talking about is in one of my videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► and I'm not actually even sure which one it was I think it was one of the Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and A once I made an offhanded reference to getting rid of foreign language classes in schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► It wasn't it wasn't the focus of the video it was just something that happened to be mentioned in the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► and I think there is there is nothing that I have ever said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► Like if you take the ratio of feedback divided by the amount of time I spent talking about something nothing beats this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► comment about ditching the foreign language requirements in schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► I I still get e-mails and angry tweets about this all the time for people who are coming across as I think the Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and A video they come across that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and just bam right out goes an angry e-mail with random caps in some of the sentences perhaps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► Telling me just everything about how our how wrong I possibly am and how terrible of a person I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► and how much of the just culture crushing angle file I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► and so I thought I've always been meaning to do a video about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► but I know this is this is one of those topics I'll never I'll never make this into a proper reply video like I was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► too. So maybe this is just the time to talk about a little bit so that that is the background. Well I'm not surprised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► Tell me tell me your position so that the way it came up is yeah I definitely now know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► when the question answer videos because the way it came up is someone was asking since I was a teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► What would I want to add to the school curriculum that wasn't already there. Yeah and my answer for a lot of reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► People see me talk about this a lot is computer programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► If I have to pick something to me this is just the new brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► or right that there should be much much more computer programming in high schools than there currently is which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► which is basically none. For all intensive purposes especially here in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► I know they've added a tiny bit but it's still so little really. But now as having been a teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► I've been on the other side of this where there's always a lot of pressures on schools to include more things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► there's always initiatives you know or government changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► or things of that that want to be added to the school schedule. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► But as a teacher you know something has to be taken out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► and so that is why I thought the interesting question is OK it's too easy for me to just say well kids should teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► more computer programming languages. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► The tricky thing is well what would you take out and for me that the answer is I look across the school curriculum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3592">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► And foreign languages are just as big juicy slow moving target just such like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Like a criminal waste of students time has required classes that I would I would just ditch it without without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► hesitation before I ask you to expand on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► Yeah it's funny that you say that because I mean I spend a lot of time talking with people who advocates of coding in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► and one of the things they point out that is quite helpful to develop your skills as a programmer is a good understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► of languages including foreign languages that teaches you about syntax and you know grammar and things like. Yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► First of all first of all. If you're the position of taking on this right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► I don't I'm not completely against foreign languages so in my own schooling this is back in New York back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► when I was in middle school which I know is I see what grades I can ever remember what grades I corresponds to here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► But anyway in middle school we did what was called a language survey class where one year we did I think it was five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► Each language for a couple of months and the purpose of that was to introduce you to other languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► and then you get to select which language you are going to be changed to for the next five years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► But like here kids what I will do is this exploration is fun thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► and then you know off to the salt mines you go to learn how to contribute for herbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and I remember I remember that survey class quite well because as a kid it was definitely like you know MIND BLOWN kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► of experience you know what do you mean. Verbs and adjectives don't have to go in this order. I don't even understand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3711">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► And I can honestly say that you know I never understood grammar until I was introduced to foreign languages because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► was just you know it's like the old like the fish in the sea kind of thing where the fish can hardly know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► water is because they're just surrounded by it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► and so I genuinely think a little bit of introduction to foreign languages is hugely helpful to be able to oh I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► this is what an adverb is or you know this is why infinitives are sort of strange in English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► but they make more sense in Spanish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► Yeah I think that that's really good but I don't think you need you know depending on where you are in school four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► or five years of a foreign language to get the benefit of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► I hardly think a one year survey course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► or two year survey course is like way more than adequate to get a lot of the benefits that people are often talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► about with you know realising and understanding your own syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► and probably for the same kind of thing with computer programming right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► Understanding the notion of how to express thoughts in a way that is not your native way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► and I think you're shaming here that the reason to learn another language is to give you a greater appreciation of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► own language or computer programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► Surely the point of a teaching paper another language is so they can learn the other languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► but obviously obviously that's just a total failure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► Let me just think I was a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► and at one school in particular language languages were so much the kids were required required Brady to learn Latin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► and two other languages so they had to do three languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► and usually what ended up happening is almost this is a girls' school almost all the girls were doing Latin German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► and French. Now why did you ask me how many of those kids could see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3833">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► BAEK Latin German or French or any kind of competent level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► and the answer was none of them right none of them could do even the most basic kind of conversations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► Even at the end of their of their experience right so they had to learn physics from you to know how many of them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► things to do physics. Oh Alright well we'll talk about teaching someday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► But but you know give you to ask me to go you know what you know when I'm ever going to use physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► and my answer was always never You're never going to use this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► But there is a benefit to learning it for a long time right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► Right so this is this that we have to prioritize things and I completely ignore all ij that the kids that I spent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► I guess it depends on how the curriculum was biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► but says that the same enough time teaching kids physics as they as they spent learning French or Latin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► I completely agree that that the maybe the comprehension at the end of that is comparable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► Right that you ask any of my students two years later how much physics they remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► and it's going to be it's going to be pretty dismal. Yeah. So it can't just be an argument about utility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► And this gets very quickly into again another another topic of conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► This starts to really mess up my mind because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► when you start thinking about this the same kind of thing is applicable across all subjects right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► Students learn and retain very little from school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► So if you're a teacher you know that you should be you know in your dark moments at three in the morning you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► when this is the you when your thoughts and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► and the bleakness of your existence right you start thinking What is school even for like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► or what is this thing that we're all doing. Why are we all here. They're not remember anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► You know you can get into existential questions about what is the purpose of school. Very very quickly and I can say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3950">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► There is some value in school exposing kids to a variety of different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► and some of them will be interested in some things and some of them will be interested in others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► Yeah right so one of the benefits of a science class. I will agree with you I think particularly in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► There might be physics for too long is very different although I'm not saying we do physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and there's nothing to agree with him and I never. I'm just put it out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► Yeah I guess I'm trying to lay this out right is like yeah like OK so there I was there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► But if you're teaching sciences or math or economics in school or I'm hesitant to include this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► but I'll include like a literature by things a little different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► I think that there are a lot the benefits that can come out of that right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► You don't necessarily need a lot of people to go on to become scientists because those scientists have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► disproportionate impact on society as a whole. So there is benefit to exposing kids to science. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► Now I look at I look at the language side of this and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► What is the potential benefit of forcing basically all one of the of the child population of a country to learning a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► foreign language for years and years and we can we talk about systems last time I look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► and I think Man your return on investment on this is just terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► It's a terrible return on investment because the kids are not going to they're not going to learn the language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► And for kids who even who like the language it's not like getting a mathematician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► or an engineer like even like the broad impact of that particular student is not necessarily very high. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4073">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► So for people who like languages are very much in favor of languages existing as well as electives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► If you want to take a language class I am not here saying no you can't take that class. I just think it should not be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► It should not be required in the slightest and in particular and I think this is what got some people mad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► I honestly think that the teaching languages is going to be very rapidly just a totally useless skill because natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► language processing and computer translation of languages is getting very good very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and something like If I was if I was in charge of a school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► and I was trying to pick subjects that would maximize potential future productivity for the students in my school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► languages would be at the absolute bottom of the list because I'd be doing the calculation of like OK all these kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► are coming in. It was the British system. You know they're eleven years old when they start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► They're going to leave when they're sixteen or eighteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► In that five year period of time starting from today the amount of progress that's made in translation technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► going to be I think bigger than people estimate. Yeah. Wolfram Alpha now but we don't stop teaching math. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► but I think this is one the reasons why I always I actually quite liked teaching teaching physics because I was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► able to just tell the kids like look just use your calculators. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► You know I don't want you to do this long division by hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► Right that's that's a good use of your monkey brain right to be sitting there and writing down a hundred numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► and trying to figure out the long division by hand we need to know what's happening and they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► and so not at the same with languages. Well OK All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► Sure I can have everything translated but I'm not really you know how we start. Into a road a foundation here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4194">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► I don't well I don't understand a foundation of what because languages are largely a communications protocol like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► when the language is how much you're trying to do was say again you're a robot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► An average person is going to run into a linguistical problem way more frequently in their life then they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► run into a physics problem you know you don't go on holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► and someone won't rent you a room at a hotel until you explain the Higgs bosun to them like this is not going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► you know but maybe you're stranded somewhere and you don't speak Portuguese right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Yeah that situation is going to be way more frequent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► but you can already communicate with that person without speaking their language at all and I was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► when I moved to London this is I mean this is years ago now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► Actually I shared a flat with a few people and one of them was this French girl and she basically spoke no English. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► But she was printing a room and you still have to communicate with someone about splitting the rent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► or the bills of the chores and all this kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► and we did it I mean this is got to be now eight years ago entirely through google translate you know she didn't speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► a word of English I didn't speak a word of French. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► But we were able to get the basics across you know enough that you could actually like coexist with a person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► doesn't speak the language just sitting at a computer together and writing things into the fields. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► Yeah that is exactly what we did we just took turns you know she would type in the French spot I would type in English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► spot on google translate it so did you ever wonder if you would like saying can you please you know pay for half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► electric bell and chains like that around and you just propositioned Well you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► when one of the things you did real or one of things I realized very quickly at least with the technology the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► and I assume it's similar ish was that you learn to make the sentence is nice and smooth right nice and clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► You know not a lot of you know something something common tangent comma back to the main thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► Because you know she would just look at obviously the translation just went haywire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► and she didn't understand a lot of trying to say. But so I look at that as well and it has R.-E. Language teachers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► but I view that whole field as potentially replaceable by technology in a shorter time period than people are imagining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► and so the very like even the idea of like forcing kids to learn for five years how to speak another language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► I just I think that's just a huge it's a huge waste. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► You know there's WAY better things that you could do with student time than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► and I'm not here saying that oh you should fill all that time with with physically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I have huge problems with the way science is taught and a huge problem with the education system in general. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► So this is not meant to be a championing for the rest of it and I think it's all pretty terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► but I think that the language part of it is just the most futile that there can possibly be. OK Well let me respond. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► So it is hard for me to mount a case against what you're saying for several reasons one being that you know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► languages and I came out of my own if I'm I haven't eaten it for a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► but I came out of you know learning French not being able to speak French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► and the case you make for reducing the time suddenly it becomes a case of you know they might sort of tweaking dials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► and I don't know how long is too long and I haven't experienced five years of one language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► You certainly make it sound excessive and make a strong case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► when I think back to school you know I've never been out of my country before probably like a lot of students in countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► like Australia in the United States. There was no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► There was nothing in my school experience that gave me a better idea and a better feeling for the scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► and the differences of the world I live in than those lessons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Even when I was just learning to say I'm a PO Brady too to Pelka Mon or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► but even even if it was just doing that it kind of broadened me in a funny way you know I've never been outside astray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► earlier and it made me realize that there was this big O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► Out I was living in and I know this is a bit wishy washy and it's a pity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► but even now you know now that I travel to all these countries that time learning French somehow still used to as with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► sticks then it comes back to me quite a lot and I think it instilled in me not like a sense of adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► but a sense that there was a bigger world I was living in than this little city I was living in in Australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► and there's very little in scope you know learning the history of World War One [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► or learning that you know Albert Einstein was German. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► These things don't do that they don't give you that sense of that you live in something big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► and mysterious the way it's actually sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► and having to learn to speak the funny language these people speak does and I think I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Why don't we think about that he should have mentioned it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► Well OK a few things about that first of all you got this appreciation in a much shorter time than you had a time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► most students actually spend learning lessons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► and that's why I think that the survey course that I was mentioning before seems to me a reasonable amount of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► And I often see this about you know this appreciation for foreign cultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► and I think you know having seen a lot of I was you haven't taught languages but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4551">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► and up with this my estimation of it is that there are certain kids who are going to to kind of naturally develop an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► appreciation for the other and for the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► and something at their in their life is going to trigger that at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► and you know maybe it happens to be the language classes but it wasn't the language classes it would be something else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► You know make them making them realize like oh this is a big wide world out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and lots of students are just totally uninterested. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► And this is this is going to sound just almost unbelievable but I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► when I was younger doing the first the first couple may be miserable years of the Spanish language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► I remember in my brain feeling like this was some kind of bizarro arbitrary exercise of just translating all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4612">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► English words into this other language for just no reason that I could I could possibly appreciate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► But that's how a whole bunch of other people feel about mathematics and science. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► Like I think I think that's what you know I realize I think language it languages can trigger your imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► You'll wonder of the world the same way that physics and maths can trigger your wonder of the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► and it's not going to trigger it for everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► Just like I see a whole bunch of people who love science and make some love the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► and think language is a waste of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► There's another group who love languages and the Cape completely feel that cold way about science and mathematics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► and is just doing stuff by rote and I think that's the people that you've upset with your video you've you've thrown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► and you've just brushed aside half the people without brushing aside the math and science. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4673">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► So you've kind of you've you've taken us aside in a way and that's who you've upset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► but I think the part of this is this is quickly rolling into a bigger discussion about education in general. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► but I feel I feel the same way about the way sciences are taught that it is just a total waste for almost everybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► is there. But yeah I think a video advocating throwing throwing it away the way you did about languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► Yes but that is because I think that languages are if we're ranking them in like stuff that just needs to change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► From my perspective the language is just the worst example of what school is you know for for the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► students it is just endless rote that will probably be replaced by machines very shortly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► You know no skill acquisition at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► and no real chance for a huge societal upside like computer programming even if the vast majority of students don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4731">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► ever do anything with computer programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► It's almost like from from from the government's perspective like every kid who does computer programming is a literal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► and you only need a couple of them to pay off you know before you gets you know a Google before you get an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► but you're never going to get that kind of benefit from language classes that's just not going to have a gray I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► agree that having a generation steeped in a better understanding of other cultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► and other languages because sometimes the language and culture is the integrated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► I can agree that having a generation statin that does not have a societal impact especially in a world that's becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► more and more integrated and where and people and we're spending more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► and more time with people who speak other languages and live in other cultures. I think what you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► Surely a bunch of surely a bunch of people have a great understanding of people from other than from other nations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► has a societal impact when you know when occasion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► So those on the brink of wars or business do something worth huge amounts with people from other cultures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► I think I think you're dismissing a lot of the stuff that goes hand in hand with learning languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► and the benefits of those things. OK I think that argument could be made yet as you point to the first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► Remind me to come back to the business thing in case I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► but the first is I agree that there is a big benefit from having students have an appreciation of other cultures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► Again if I'm in charge of a school I do not think that language instruction is the best way to have students actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► get appreciation of other classes right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► I would I would start with that as the goal and say OK look let's can we have four years of extra time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► Yeah what can we do in four years that can genuinely increase cross cultural appreciation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4854">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► Instead of just teaching languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► That's not what you said with a Stetson or people heard you say they heard you say that fill that time with coding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► This is this is yeah yeah yeah no no I mean I'm sort of sympathizing with you but you know you're completely correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► but this is this is the argument that I usually hear is is cross cross cultural promotion is good I agree with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► I think there are better ways to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and here is my completely unrealistic ideal scenario would be say OK look we have some amount of human effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► and money that is spent to educate kids in Latin for four years instead of instead of doing that for four years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► Let's concentrate this into six months and try to do some kind of student exchange program. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4912">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Very intensely in a six month period of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► Now I understand that on a on a nationwide level that is not very practical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► I'm kind of imagining for you know a solution that an individual school might be able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► and I think a situation where if you could just paint sickly ship some of your students off to an actual foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► country for a limited period of time for six months and just say you know look here we go here's a box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► It's you know it's labeled shipped to roving Amy off you go and you know good luck with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► There's going to be nobody there who is from your culture that would be a transformative experience that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► so much more valuable then you're not sitting in a cheap one but yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► Yes that well this is this is why I don't think it is I don't think it is is remotely practical on a nationwide level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► But I can and honestly I haven't thought about this too much but I can imagine a similar scenario where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4970">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► If you try to do something more remotely like having students interact you know through Skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► or something like it with students in other places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► I know I can see that as being more beneficial for trying to foster that kind of sense of the world than a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► class I just think if if your goal is cultural appreciation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► I think language teaching is is the bad way to go about it I think that as a defense of language teaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and of cultural appreciation is what you want I think there are better ways to do that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and I certainly have a lot of friends that wish they could have had all their maths and physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► and chemistry education condensed to a six month taster and then a foreign hour let alone day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► Yeah and again what we can talk about that at some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► but my my my dream again another impractical dream I once tried to write out a course for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► when I was a crazy younger teacher but my my my dream for the sciences would be to actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5033">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Have like a two stream system in the sciences and you have a course that's basically science for non scientists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► For people who are not intending to do this as a career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► or are related to this as a career I think it is the same thing like like the argument that is given for teaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► science a lot is this got to hurt so much right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► We need citizens who are scientifically engaged because it's a complicated world and blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► and I felt the same way that look if that's your goal teaching straight up physics is a terrible way to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► If your goal is to have scientifically literate students who are not professionals in this area you could design a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► better course to achieve that as the end you know but but making kids do F. Equals M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► A calculations all day that's not producing scientifically literate people in the way that you're claiming that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► actually want so that part of my frustration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► I will just let me just say I will say in defense of that one thing here which is that again if I was in charge of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► school there is one language that I would require. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► Can you if you were going to make any guesses not a computer language this is not really like a trick question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► but I would require maybe you know six months or a year of training in a foreign language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Would you be able to take a guess what I would I would pick is it the language of love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► I'm guessing you on a path to say Mandarin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► Good guess good guess but I would actually mandate a six month sign language course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► and that's what I would pick if I was in charge of school again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► I'm getting rid of four years of junk and I'm trying to pick more interesting things to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► Yeah and I mention this because I'm not sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► We've never discussed this but my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► and I for a year basically kind of taught ourselves a little bit of American Sign Language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► and this was a byproduct of Basically I had some terrible schedules as a teacher where I was talking all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► and I could not talk in the evening because my throat was just just gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► and I was I was legitimately concerned about losing my voice over the long term this is a kind of you know professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► issue for some teachers I had like a sharp pain in my throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and so I was by thinking I shouldn't be talking if you feel that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► And so we were just doing it as a kind of couple activity you notice something interesting to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► and what we didn't do it would you come home with a sore throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► and speak so I think we got enough so we could hear first this was years ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► So please do not try to speak sign language to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► If you speak American Sign Language and my level was never above that of like a very very poor toddler but my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5213">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► and I did learn the sign language alphabet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► and we learned a bunch of basic signs so you could communicate some some simple stuff and I have to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► Doing that was and it was an amazingly interesting experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► and it it I have never felt like my brain was being more rewired than when we were doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► and where the example that I give which he laughed about sometimes because it was so were because we both felt the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► way. Was learning the finger spelling alphabet is a hand gesture for each letter of the alphabet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► Do this once and my wife also had a sore throat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► What is the best situation but so we're trying to practice by spelling words at each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► and guessing what the words were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► and it was this very clear feeling that the part of your brain that is used to reading is just not connected to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5271">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Same part of your brain that is used to looking at humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and so also just for nerds in the audience people who watch my videos very closely also notice I did in high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► teach myself a little bit of Esperanto which was a foreign language that I really did enjoy learning because I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► but Esperanto was very cool so I had like learn how to read stuff in another language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► but the sign language stuff was just it was mind blowing so like my wife would be doing in the Hansen sublist D O G And [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► I would be sitting there looking at her going oh dog. Oh right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► And then and then every just say the same thing like you know the U S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► but it was amazing it was just so clear that that some part of my brain was not you know you know I have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► If it was but it was so interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► and I think one of those experiences people talk about you know learning a foreign language is a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► learning experience and in my own personal experience the sign language thing felt like that just compressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► and times a thousand. And plus I want I kind of want to do a video about this I'm not sure that I ever will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► But sign language if you just know a couple things. It's so freaking useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► I cannot tell you the number of times I wish that other people knew the sign language gesture for thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► Because if I'm sort of you know there's a number of situations where your attention is distracted by something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► but you just want to acknowledge another person who's done something nice for you if you could just do that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► gesture and people could know I think that would be great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► It's this is another step towards your dream of not having to actually talk to other humans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► So when it's genuinely I think that just a couple of things if you could know. Yes No please thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► I'm not asking for a lot you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► But if every if every person in the world knew the sign language just for that I think that that is genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► beneficial because it's an additional It's an additional way to acknowledge somebody it is an awful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► when it is one of the most often used terms for which there is no nonverbal communication I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► but maybe that's the point of thank you is that you have to make an effort to give it if you could do an easy think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► would be much of I think you would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► Yeah but if someone is across the room for example and you notice that they have done something nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► and they're looking at you right we yell thank you across a busy rheumatism or thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► or you can give them just a nothing no I don't want to be a charming smile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know I think a good point because I think I think the sign language thing is is useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► and that is where if I get if I'm designing if I'm in charge of school on designing my ideal curriculum from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► you know after shipping kids off to Finland. Yes six months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► Bring them back you know then I would do a little course in sign language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► and say you know say that whole thing took a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► I think that's both of those things combined are a way better experience than you're ever going to get both in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► and the benefits of learning about another language than from doing you know six years of French number keeps going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► as I talk about a mortgage in the five years I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► As usual we weren't a done justice to the argument you are trying to make but that's one follow up for us next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► I'm already feeling terrible about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► You know you know you know the only final thing I will mention two things is this argument that I'm making. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► When I got into some discussions about an inch in the first place I was trying to clarify to people that if I was if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► was in charge of a school in a non English speaking country I would have English as a foreign language that I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5508">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► That if I was in charge of a of a school in Italy I would want English as a foreign language classes to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► requirement. This just made people even angrier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► I can imagine that that is like the work I thought I was being all reason here they all let me clarify my position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► until you've clarified me into greater anger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► You want everyone in the world to speak your language you'd be in your times and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► and the thing was I didn't you know this is this is of course the problem of being a native English language speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► and I often wish that I had just grown up being able to speak another language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► but I know that that is that is not my lot in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► but if you are an English language speaker there is very little return on investment in most cases in learning another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► It's it's very hard to ever do and I know that in my adult life I have made a couple of attempts to try to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and it's been very it's been very unsuccessful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► Actually have a list of things I have and I have a To Do list I have a not to do list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and the top of my not to do list is learn another language because every once in a while I get this into my brain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► you know what you should really learn another language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► and I like look at the piece of paper which says you know you should really not do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► You have tried many times and failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► and you've written it on that little piece of paper to remind you this is on your not to do list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► But do you think that you know like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► or not learning English is beneficial if you don't have English as your native language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► and I have to say that the reason why I was thinking this is a topic is another podcast recommendation is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► Freakonomics podcast and oh did you listen to that because I am a subscribe to and I'm yet to listen to the T.P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► Listening to all the other ones you've recommended to me. OK well they just did an episode that was actually about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5634">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► And of course me I just had this feeling that Oh I'm sure learning English is great in a way that is not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► the reverse for native English language speakers to learn another language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► And that was basically the conclusion of their show as well. So I felt slightly vindicated by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► I was looking that they were doing a very utilitarian measure of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► but they were looking at the the effect of foreign language learning on the individual's income you know how how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► and the bottom line it was that if you are a native English speaker learning an additional language has a trivial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► effect on your average salary when you look across a population. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► It was some it was something like two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► or three hundred dollars on average a year increase in salary it was it was negligible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► But if money is your ONLY metric for success in life then I heartily agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► Yes And then of course the reverse was the case with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► Non English native speakers that go with it was a substantial number you know it was it was you know I think was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► couple thousand dollars a year. Was it was kind of the the immediate financial benefit from learning English. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► So yeah just just from a financial perspective it was it was kind of backing up the if you do not speak English as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► IT as a new speaker you probably might want to learn this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► Well the interesting thing which did not occur to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► and Freakonomics is is interesting really counterintuitive sometime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► They did mention that if you're going to learn a language if you are a native English speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and you're going to learn a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► and your goal is to maximize income in the future you want to pick infrequently spoken language which would not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► occurred to me but kind of makes sense makes sense in reverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► or that if if you can learn a language with a spoken much less frequently that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Much more valuable because you and I thinking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► Oh yeah of course businesses there probably in America not short on English and Spanish speakers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► You know that is probably not hard to find but if you're if you're going for a rarer language Norwegian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► and English is probably much harder to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► and consequently is much more valuable so I thought that was interesting little comment from their podcast and aid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and the there was an economist who has a quote which I think I'll just finish off this section with the thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► so great I had to pause the podcast and write it down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► So this is an economist who studies languages as a profession and his comment was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► If people are going to get some basic career benefit out of learning languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► or in riches their personal life then foreign language study is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► but if it's a language that doesn't really help their career or they're not going to use it and they're not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► when they're in the classes I don't really see the point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► Teaching languages seems cruel to me I thought I was but that was a good kid wrapping up there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► Yeah I just got an e-mail from fire. Oh did you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► Yeah she's saying do I want to go and hang out with her and a few friends for Pi Day. Oh all right do you think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► Do envious but do you think she'll be upset if she finds out that what we've been talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► We said nice things about her video I think if we did we did say nice things about her video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► I am really sad that I don't get to be there with you without well off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► but we might come to blows you say because I am not going better is telling her that I think PA is still a lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVcOQdI/5859">TS</a>]