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H.I. #6: Delete, Flag, Delete, Reply


00:00:00   The more we do the podcast The Bore I think I realize how different we are or what numbers this is this is number six. [TS]

00:00:09   Number six I need to apologize in advance if I sound a bit off my game. [TS]

00:00:14   I know normally you know incredibly shop [TS]

00:00:17   and we say you are you are I might be a bit off because I have been having a lot of sleep lately I have had issues [TS]

00:00:24   but issues of you that I will tell you about my issues as as briefly as I can. [TS]

00:00:30   I am as you know currently in Berkeley California and I've been staying sort of in a condo I rented a room in [TS]

00:00:40   and I arrived the other not. [TS]

00:00:42   And it turns out it was an issue because what's going on is the guy who's like renting out this room [TS]

00:00:47   when he hasn't got paying customers like me. He allows these these couch surface that stay for free. [TS]

00:00:53   You know this capsule yessing Rhino Couchsurfing it's a good thing anyway. [TS]

00:00:58   Hey those couch sofas to stay for free which you know isn't the nicest things and that [TS]

00:01:03   when you're paying for the place but anyway what he does with his apartment when I'm not there is not my business [TS]

00:01:09   but the problem was when I arrived. [TS]

00:01:12   This caps person was still there and he didn't know the caps if it was still going to be there [TS]

00:01:18   and this particular woman who I would describe as eccentric. Owns three cats and she had the cats staying in the place. [TS]

00:01:30   Now I am not anti cat but this one was out alone and her cats were not particularly controllable. [TS]

00:01:38   She certainly had no control over them and there were three of them in this tiny place [TS]

00:01:42   and so there's a cat litter tray in the kitchen and food everywhere and hair everywhere and cats everywhere. [TS]

00:01:50   So you know I was telling the landlord this probably was an idea on and he was mortified. [TS]

00:01:57   She was basically squatting on his part. [TS]

00:02:00   He sent people around his friends to try and get rid of her and she wouldn't go [TS]

00:02:03   and then she buncoed hisself in the other room with their cats and it was all very awkward. I'd imagine so. [TS]

00:02:10   Anyway to cut a long story to a medium length of she she left eventually Thank goodness took her cats [TS]

00:02:20   but the problem was obviously before she left. [TS]

00:02:23   During this period where she was bunkered in the room hiding from everything the cats [TS]

00:02:29   and the cats paid the room where she was staying. [TS]

00:02:33   Now smells unbearably bad really bad luck so I shut and locked it up [TS]

00:02:40   and put blankets at the bottom of the door to sort of seal it perfectly but that the smell was starting to escape [TS]

00:02:48   and in the middle of last night at two in the morning the smell finally saw really. Tami ated the room I'm sleeping in. [TS]

00:02:57   And so bad that it would be up and I couldn't get back to sleep. [TS]

00:03:02   So I have been kept awake all night by the smell of cat pay [TS]

00:03:08   and SA I come to this podcast now a product of that lack of sleep and what do I gotta ask. [TS]

00:03:16   I ask you kind of day there I mean you're you're in you're in San Francisco for like a month aren't you. [TS]

00:03:25   Yeah well the got the land that was really nice but I don't care about the land. [TS]

00:03:30   What if that could not be more relevant. [TS]

00:03:33   Or for at level it's real name and the place is no less telling me about how do I put it I want to hear more. [TS]

00:03:43   Something like they're decorating figured right except for the getting everyone to leave the location is excellent. [TS]

00:03:55   So I'm giving him a day or two to get a professional cleaner in and also on. [TS]

00:04:00   Really lazy and I don't want to repack and you know I have to find a new place and move with all my bags and my kit. [TS]

00:04:08   Your reaction to this whole situation could not be more different from what my reaction. [TS]

00:04:12   Oh yeah I'm sorry to hear about your cat pee troubles [TS]

00:04:17   but it seems like you're not doing a whole lot to extricate yourself from the equation. [TS]

00:04:22   Now that I said I want to move your bags and now that I know now that I said at last I say that it sounds silly [TS]

00:04:30   but from my perspective of living with my follow up from the last episode which I believe was about was about all sorts [TS]

00:04:39   of things as usual it was about advertising clutter in the house funnily enough. [TS]

00:04:43   Yes there was a bit of that if rebooting in there is where you have anything to do with any things you particularly [TS]

00:04:48   came to follow up I've probably talked enough. Yes Well the first the first thing. [TS]

00:04:53   Then I want to follow up is talking about reviews that we have gotten so i Tunes of use that people have left [TS]

00:05:00   and so I was checking this afternoon and I made a little spreadsheet [TS]

00:05:05   and so at the beginning of episode five I think we had four new countries that had left reviews last time for this [TS]

00:05:13   episode. We actually have a bunch one of the new countries or is it to them the least safe you've been to any. [TS]

00:05:18   OK here we are some I'm going to run down. [TS]

00:05:20   I'm going to run down the list [TS]

00:05:21   and this is of as of this morning so in alphabetical order they are Brazil Chile Colombia Croatia the Czech Republic [TS]

00:05:30   the Dominican Republic France Hong Kong Hungary Iceland India Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Malaysia New Zealand Portugal [TS]

00:05:39   Romania Russia Singapore Slovakia South Africa South Korea Spain Taiwan Thailand Turkey United Arab Emirates Venezuela [TS]

00:05:49   and Vietnam. [TS]

00:05:50   So I think that is an incredibly impressive showing [TS]

00:05:54   and I just want to thank all of the listeners who left i Tunes of use in those various countries I was having. [TS]

00:06:00   Well I've done written reviews of it it's like given a five star or three star [TS]

00:06:04   or thank you written stuff so i Tunes can sit if people leave a star review so that just counts as as star views they [TS]

00:06:14   are not all written reviews but I have to say almost all of them are written reviews. [TS]

00:06:18   We have we have a great ratio of people who will be written reviews versus star view so yeah I just I was quite [TS]

00:06:24   impressed and I just want to thank all of our listeners [TS]

00:06:26   and it's very cool just seeing that that people write in from all of these various places [TS]

00:06:30   and they may tell you let me say thank you as well thank you. It's amazing. [TS]

00:06:35   Yeah they go through and leave very nice reviews. So yeah very impressive. [TS]

00:06:40   This whole bunch [TS]

00:06:41   and I was particularly out of all those countries so I'm going to pick one out to talk about just a little bit [TS]

00:06:47   but I was very happy to see that we had Iceland there. [TS]

00:06:51   Iceland was the least populous of the bunch of countries that left reviews they have three hundred twenty one thousand [TS]

00:06:58   people and we got a review from there. [TS]

00:07:00   And I'm very I was very happy to see that because I actually went to Iceland for a trip with my wife a while back [TS]

00:07:09   when we were newly married and it was just one of my favorite trips that I ever took the country was just beautiful. [TS]

00:07:15   And we did a road trip that went around the whole exterior of the island and it was just amazing [TS]

00:07:21   and if I'm ever fortunate enough to have the chance I will totally love to go back to Iceland at some point so did you [TS]

00:07:27   go into the interior. [TS]

00:07:28   No we didn't go into the interior that I think might maybe again if I get to go again we might do a trip sort of across [TS]

00:07:35   the island going into the interior I don't know have you been to Iceland I have no I really want to go. [TS]

00:07:42   I've been reading a lot about it lately too because I've been reading all these chess books [TS]

00:07:45   and obviously the the Bobby Fischer bar Spassky sort of you know the century was was held in Iceland [TS]

00:07:51   and Bobby Fischer ended up in Iceland as well so he isn't [TS]

00:07:56   and he has a big association with a country which is for fear that my in. [TS]

00:08:01   Well I've not been I've not been Everyone is beautiful and I will just I will say one of the thing about Iceland. [TS]

00:08:06   There seems to be per capita an unusual amount of artistic creativity that comes from Iceland. [TS]

00:08:14   So there are a lot of bands that are from Iceland that are unusually good [TS]

00:08:19   and on Flickr for example it's a photography website some of the some of the most amazing photographer as you're ever [TS]

00:08:26   going to come across they're all from Iceland partly because they have amazing things to photograph [TS]

00:08:30   but the technical quality of their photos are so great and it comes up all the time [TS]

00:08:34   and I wonder if this is a byproduct of there's so far north you have a lot of time during the winter to try [TS]

00:08:42   and perfect your craft and you don't have a lot of distractions so I wonder people are indoors you know working on [TS]

00:08:49   and thinking about their own particular hobbies [TS]

00:08:51   and creative pursuits because it seems like an unusually creative company country per capita anyway. [TS]

00:08:58   So Iceland I have a lot of positive feelings for them. [TS]

00:09:01   This episode of kind of instant was brought to you by the Iceland Tourism Commission. Yes. [TS]

00:09:06   I have a gray like correction to make and I do you wouldn't normally do this but I thought it would just appeal to me. [TS]

00:09:13   I'm I'm I'm very intrigued in the previous episode I referred to a Mr Johnny fingers from the Boomtown Rats who I have [TS]

00:09:22   met a few times at a Japanese music festival and I referred to him I believe as an Englishman he is of course [TS]

00:09:28   and very obviously Irish That's bout braiding [TS]

00:09:33   and that is bad especially someone you know Irish heritage like myself so I apologize for this mistake. [TS]

00:09:41   I realized very soon afterwards I thought maybe I'd get away with it. [TS]

00:09:45   Someone did pointed out on the red Ugandan apologies. [TS]

00:09:52   I'm glad you've corrected your error and that's the way you'd like that. You love that kind of stuff. [TS]

00:09:57   I appreciate that you took the time to say. The record straight. [TS]

00:10:01   Yeah and you got another follow up of a couple here where we have clatter on the house. [TS]

00:10:09   Yeah I thought I thought that was an interesting discussion we had last time this was obviously the fact that you sort [TS]

00:10:15   of despised objects and trinkets and items in the house and I remember thinking at the time to myself. [TS]

00:10:22   As the conversation unfolded everything that was said just made you sound like the cool man of the future [TS]

00:10:28   and this sort of high tech amazing person [TS]

00:10:32   and made me sound like some weird holding person who probably walks around the streets with plastic bags full of junk [TS]

00:10:39   and I found it very refreshing in the comments on the subway which is obviously very skewed towards you because it's [TS]

00:10:47   your separate I thought this was going to sort of this was going to be the tone of the conversation [TS]

00:10:53   and I've found it very refreshing how many people thought you were the crazy one what I would say to that is yes there [TS]

00:10:57   was there was definitely a whole bunch of agreement agreement with you that I sound a little bit crazy [TS]

00:11:05   but I still I still defend my position. [TS]

00:11:09   I do want to say a couple people [TS]

00:11:11   and been doing this on the Twitter as well were directing me toward the minimalism section of Reddit says there's a [TS]

00:11:18   whole subsection for discussions about minimalism [TS]

00:11:22   and I would not say that I am I just to be clear people are not like a minimalist. [TS]

00:11:27   I would I would think that I am more just a functionalist [TS]

00:11:31   but I don't like objects that aren't doing something in the house [TS]

00:11:36   or serving some kind of purpose if you know if it's just if it's just there. I don't know. I don't like them. [TS]

00:11:43   I was complaining about on Twitter earlier [TS]

00:11:45   and I was I was tweeting some pictures of some houses that were beautiful houses [TS]

00:11:49   but they're just filled with pointless stuff like a decorative horn on a table or like plants all over the place. [TS]

00:12:00   Especially fake plants all over the place when you tweet us so that [TS]

00:12:05   when you tweeted where you said beautiful has accomplished how they ruined it with all the clutter. [TS]

00:12:10   Yeah so I went had a look at the pictures and there wasn't that much stuff in it. Oh no now but I was pretty spartan. [TS]

00:12:17   Now OK you know what is making me angry. [TS]

00:12:20   OK So people are going to put a link to this thing I'm going to put a link to this thing [TS]

00:12:24   and I'm not saying it was like or what what was it did have stuff and don't get me wrong [TS]

00:12:28   but it wasn't I was expecting it to be one of those you know a T.V. [TS]

00:12:31   Show a documentary house from hell up to the ceiling with rubbish in it which is sad to see subjects' I'm seriously [TS]

00:12:38   thinking of during the the invite that I've extended to you to come to my new place. [TS]

00:12:43   I don't I don't think you'll be able to handle it again I haven't even got that much stuff. [TS]

00:12:47   Well if you forget I was in your old house and although you forget I [TS]

00:12:51   when I'm looking at these things I'm judging them by the standard of would I want to live there and so I don't. [TS]

00:12:56   When I go into somebody else's home I'm not thinking God look at all that person's stuff because I'm not in that [TS]

00:13:02   mindset of what I live in this person's house but I'm visiting somebody else's house it's totally different. [TS]

00:13:07   So you're saying you wouldn't have lived in my house I would. [TS]

00:13:10   Well about the way not the way you had Decker has had now I would not have lived in your house to a project that I'm [TS]

00:13:15   sorry to you and the Mrs. But no if I lived I would decorate all the differently but I put up a link to that place. [TS]

00:13:24   So there's there's a half asses left your house is lovely. [TS]

00:13:29   I'm not going to argue that [TS]

00:13:30   but it's a different question of what I decorate your house the way that is created I would not. [TS]

00:13:34   OK Anyway people I'm going to put a link in the description to the show that you can go look at [TS]

00:13:39   and it's that the interior of the house which I think is beautiful because I like the textures so I don't actually like [TS]

00:13:46   empty white rooms for various reason that I don't like being in a place that is all white so this house has like [TS]

00:13:52   gorgeous mountain views and the walls are stone in the floor is wood and it's beautiful [TS]

00:13:57   but I'm just looking at these pictures and. [TS]

00:14:00   They just have like a dead tree branch that's acting as ornaments in one location. [TS]

00:14:05   There's this twisted horn on a table that serves absolutely no purpose. [TS]

00:14:11   There's gross just it's like I have a plan and affecting the cats [TS]

00:14:14   and the heritage of the place you have for us because now they have this horrible like Crystal lamp that just ruins [TS]

00:14:22   absolutely everything. [TS]

00:14:24   I'm not saying the place was to my place it was [TS]

00:14:26   and I just don't think I just wouldn't describe it as collected I'm not saying it's cluttered I understand it they ruin [TS]

00:14:33   it with all of their stuff [TS]

00:14:34   and in the bathroom here the worst is like just a chunk of amethyst randomly on on the counter [TS]

00:14:41   and like a little how a cactus [TS]

00:14:42   or something something horrible has it why don't you just have that beautiful counter top clean just don't don't put [TS]

00:14:49   something totally pointless on there it's just it's infuriating you time mine little time on like I'm like the stone [TS]

00:14:57   walls though and all the wood even though that comes from nature and it's now [TS]

00:15:00   and then I think I didn't calculate on that stone went from things like that. If it is clean. [TS]

00:15:06   But no there is not the reason I picked this house out in particular is because I love the look of the dark stone walls [TS]

00:15:11   and I love the look of the wood textures I just think just like you don't you don't need all these fake plants you [TS]

00:15:18   don't need a ram's horn on the table you don't need all of this junk on your lighting fixtures like Asha tedious like [TS]

00:15:27   the things that they put there. [TS]

00:15:28   So anyway maybe that's enough about this [TS]

00:15:31   but yeah I've had a few interesting conversations over Twitter about about the stuff the last last couple of days. [TS]

00:15:41   We spoke quite a lot about advertising. [TS]

00:15:44   Last time I feel like we have there's a lot more to say about advertising not today [TS]

00:15:50   but yeah I can imagine that we will talk about advertising again because we we just we constrained in a very small [TS]

00:15:56   aspect of it and this has been not to say back and lots of things said. [TS]

00:16:01   There's one thing I wanted to bring out and that was again a comment someone made during the talk I spoke about how [TS]

00:16:08   when I listen to American sports commentary I find it strange that suddenly though you know in the middle of talking [TS]

00:16:14   about a play that just happened I will say by the way you know you should go [TS]

00:16:17   and buy a trailer from New York Toyota dealers there are wonderful and I thought that was jarring [TS]

00:16:24   and someone by the way that I would never criticize American sports commentary by the way because I think American [TS]

00:16:30   sports commentary. Finally And that's probably the best in the world I think. [TS]

00:16:34   As I turn to a grumpy old man I don't like a lot of sports commentary around the world [TS]

00:16:38   but I think American country is a very high standard but I do find these these ads in the middle of things strange [TS]

00:16:46   and someone pointed out to me. [TS]

00:16:48   Also you find that strange [TS]

00:16:49   but you don't find it strange that in other countries they have advertising plastered all over the shirts [TS]

00:16:56   and I thought that was a really interesting observation. [TS]

00:16:58   It was something I was aware of but I hadn't thought about it at the time [TS]

00:17:02   and that is although I associate the United States with kind of you know. [TS]

00:17:08   You know a capitalist place [TS]

00:17:10   and everyone's out to make a buck in advertising sports shirts have remained a kind of a holy the sacred cow I guess [TS]

00:17:18   they won't pull ads you know you won't see an ad for Toyota across the front of the New York Yankees top [TS]

00:17:23   or something like that whereas in most other countries you know English football shirts covered in advertising I found [TS]

00:17:30   a really interesting thing that kind of in that the American sport has had and that respect [TS]

00:17:35   and won't sell that valuable valuable real estate to advertisers. [TS]

00:17:39   Jolley is a case where I don't watch the sports I didn't I didn't realize that was the case [TS]

00:17:44   and I'm thinking I guess maybe in my head I'm thinking of Nascar this like this some outfit that have low Meska is not [TS]

00:17:54   an example of that but I have been you have a lot of baseball teams so I think you know football. [TS]

00:18:00   Oh things like that I mean I'm sure people will point out all the areas where there are exceptions to this [TS]

00:18:06   and you do get small sponsors like Nike or whoever made that the shirt [TS]

00:18:11   but generally you don't get big brand sponsors across the front James. [TS]

00:18:16   Whereas whereas you know in most other countries that happens so it was interesting I don't know I don't know why these [TS]

00:18:23   people would no doubt point out some mistakes [TS]

00:18:26   but they also might point to some theories as to the rules of the reasons that this that the the shirt the clothing has [TS]

00:18:33   remained the sacred cow in America. [TS]

00:18:35   Yeah I just I don't want sports enough to know [TS]

00:18:38   but googling for a couple sports uniforms I can see there are you know relatively relatively clean [TS]

00:18:44   but not not NASCAR cars not no not at all. [TS]

00:18:51   Well I think that's the most of my most of my follow up for good there's nothing else that I think we need to mention [TS]

00:18:57   in and follow up for for this week. If this is the point where you are now going to insert ask what's his message. [TS]

00:19:05   Yeah that's probably going to be really wait isn't it because I just like talked about sacred cows [TS]

00:19:09   and not having advertising that's true and that it generates a little noise [TS]

00:19:13   and praise going to re the ED That's true I was I was about well this this is the point at which I would normally cut [TS]

00:19:20   ad and now you're making me feel really awkward about it though. [TS]

00:19:25   Well I'll let you know I read that more find out how you dealt with later I won't write maybe any second now the little [TS]

00:19:32   dude you do is going to come up and I'm going to switch into my more professional voice for doing announcements [TS]

00:19:39   but no you make me feel real awkward now so let's do one more the things I could talk about not just key the know it's [TS]

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00:22:00   For ties which current me does not know what it's going to be. But you dear listener know what it was. So there we go. [TS]

00:22:07   And can I just add my endorsement to that product which I was I don't know what it is. [TS]

00:22:11   Yes but if it has been chosen by you [TS]

00:22:14   or me I think it means we do support it because we wouldn't do a raid for someone we didn't like the product [TS]

00:22:19   or service is an excellent product or service as as I was at the other not [TS]

00:22:23   and I was offered a lift time by someone of somewhat more mains than me and he drove me home in his Tesla Motor car. [TS]

00:22:35   This was quite an experience and I was very impressed. [TS]

00:22:41   I'm not a car guy and I don't know if you are but I'm pretty sure you don't own a car. [TS]

00:22:47   Well if you take a guess you think I'm a car guy do you think I'm not a car guy. You are not a car guy. [TS]

00:22:52   You win but this would have changed your mind. This was if C.G. P. [TS]

00:22:58   Gray was going to love a cut this was the cause of this cut I described as like a MacBook Pro with wheels. [TS]

00:23:08   It was like because it was silver [TS]

00:23:10   and cool it was quite functional it was functional it had like the guy said Have a look at this [TS]

00:23:19   and he opened up the front. [TS]

00:23:20   What would you call that the the hood or whatever and it was this huge expanse of spaces [TS]

00:23:26   and obviously you know most of the huge amount of storage [TS]

00:23:30   and then we went around the Tardis like he was thinking how can it be this much room in the car [TS]

00:23:35   and then we went around the back and he opened the back again. [TS]

00:23:37   No no power system there just a huge void for storage [TS]

00:23:43   but I don't know how the thing was because I never saw where the engine could be then week then we go in [TS]

00:23:48   and it was like it was a lovely looking and everything was beautiful and it was all screens and high tech [TS]

00:23:54   and he just said to the address where we want to go and then the map popped up on a difference. [TS]

00:24:00   Rain next to the electronic speedometer and it was like and they will touch screens everywhere [TS]

00:24:05   and you could surf the web while he was driving and that's actually terrible I think. [TS]

00:24:10   Well I say I did say that to him but he said he said the video disabled like that like that made a web pages. [TS]

00:24:17   But like it was it was just it was really lovely. It was really high tech. [TS]

00:24:23   Everything was functional every you know and you could go into all these touch screens [TS]

00:24:26   and systems to do with the controls of the car and you know it was silent like these electric cars [TS]

00:24:33   and I asked well you know does that mean it's a bit gutless and he was like what lesson plan today is full [TS]

00:24:39   and it was like the space shuttle launch in front of us. [TS]

00:24:43   It was it was lovely it was a lovely thing and I think he would have approved. [TS]

00:24:49   I didn't think he said it because while I am I am not a car guy in the least. [TS]

00:24:56   I have been kind of following the news with Tesla for a while because both I think that their company [TS]

00:25:02   and their founder months must come on the Elan Musk Yeah. [TS]

00:25:09   Yes to both the company and the founder are very interesting and I'm not I'm not a news person [TS]

00:25:17   and so I don't keep my fingers on the news all the time and I'm not really interested [TS]

00:25:22   but there are a few things that I do kind of. [TS]

00:25:26   Search out every once in a while that I keep on my radar [TS]

00:25:28   and Tesla Motors is one of those companies I think they are unusually interesting [TS]

00:25:35   and I suspected that I would I would like the car from what I have seen online of some some demos of it [TS]

00:25:41   or some people taking it for a ride because if you like it. [TS]

00:25:44   One this one the most interesting you say that of this when I went in [TS]

00:25:47   and as I said the gentleman he was kind enough to give me a lift that was had enjoyed some business success over the [TS]

00:25:53   years so he was actually this when I was in was one of the first hundred that was made that made more. [TS]

00:26:00   As one of the originals on the original original ones right. [TS]

00:26:03   So he was saying hey you know he paid for and put the money down and with the knowledge and the pentode from the first. [TS]

00:26:11   If this fails you're not going to get and you know going to and you know can get your money back [TS]

00:26:17   but he was sort of enthused enough about the project to say I'm all in the flesh. [TS]

00:26:23   Yeah I had a very very cool and at least at the time that we are recording this. [TS]

00:26:30   But you know if you're listening to in the future you may know if this has or hasn't happened [TS]

00:26:34   but there are some rumors swirling about possible Apple acquiring Tesla Motors. Both Tim Cook and I know the C.E.O. [TS]

00:26:43   Of Tesla have acknowledged to have talks with each other that they they've been chatting. [TS]

00:26:49   They won't really say about what [TS]

00:26:50   and so there's there's just rumors about maybe Apple's going to acquire that company which would be interesting [TS]

00:26:56   and the thing that I've heard is that there are overlapping interested in battery technology that even though they seem [TS]

00:27:04   like these companies might not have very much to do with each other that they are actually their interests are aligned [TS]

00:27:12   in improving battery technology maybe there are ways they can work together to solve this problem. But. [TS]

00:27:18   So future listener you may know if this had ever happened [TS]

00:27:23   but at least it's an interesting rumor that's going around nowadays [TS]

00:27:26   and it does seem like like the design of these companies might be somewhat compatible and yeah. [TS]

00:27:33   Anyway I just think I think that it is interesting I'm not putting any money on that but it's an interesting prospect. [TS]

00:27:40   I don't worry about the cuff like an Apple product in some ways I don't know I know that's controversial thing [TS]

00:27:47   and people get upset. Yeah Apple just came out with their their car O.-S. [TS]

00:27:53   This week as well so you know I have some of that read about the the other thing I want to talk to you. [TS]

00:28:00   In this context of what's been going on with me was we mentioned I was in Berkeley [TS]

00:28:05   and you even said yourself you're in San Francisco. Yeah I did. What's this. [TS]

00:28:13   Where do you stand on the situation where you and I know [TS]

00:28:16   and out sometimes it depends on how far away you are from the place. But let people in. [TS]

00:28:20   I consider myself to be in San Francisco you know I look out the window and the Golden Gate Bridge [TS]

00:28:25   and the big pyramid building and and the bay [TS]

00:28:28   but everyone here refers to Berkeley like it's completely removed from San Francisco [TS]

00:28:35   but I would never say San Francisco. [TS]

00:28:38   What do you think about that [TS]

00:28:39   and I know this is true in lots of different places to me like people like to sort of consider themselves to have this [TS]

00:28:45   different identity. Well this is this is called the narcissism of small differences right which is. [TS]

00:28:54   First I first came across as I remember in college right where I discovered. [TS]

00:28:59   If you're talking to random people you're likely to get into an argument. [TS]

00:29:03   You get into arguments with two kinds of people [TS]

00:29:06   and they're the people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum from you [TS]

00:29:11   and so I was doing physics at college like [TS]

00:29:14   and you get into some argument with like an art major If you're a physics major about something. [TS]

00:29:19   Yeah [TS]

00:29:20   but then the other people that you have arguments with more intense arguments are the people who are close to you [TS]

00:29:28   but ever so slightly different. [TS]

00:29:30   And so like the most intense argument ever would happen between the physicists [TS]

00:29:35   and the chemists like you're both like this hard for that there's a system the quantum physicist Yeah yeah I like that [TS]

00:29:42   within the field right [TS]

00:29:42   and so I think that that's the same kind of thing that that from an outsider's perspective like if you're an English [TS]

00:29:50   major [TS]

00:29:52   and something like that the difference between different hard science specialists is like kind of irrelevant from your [TS]

00:29:59   perspective. It doesn't really matter. [TS]

00:30:02   Like oh they're just science majors [TS]

00:30:03   and like oh no no no I'm not a science major right I'm a physics major This is incredibly important to me [TS]

00:30:08   and so it's just a matter of perspective and so for me as someone who doesn't live near the San Francisco area [TS]

00:30:17   and has been to the San Francisco area four times in my life maybe you know it twice was for those very brief You Tube [TS]

00:30:27   conferences. [TS]

00:30:28   If you made me sit down and think about it I would probably recognize that Berkeley is not San Francisco [TS]

00:30:35   but since I'm not from there this distinction is not as important or or as as as foremost in my mind [TS]

00:30:43   and that even goes for. [TS]

00:30:44   I know very consciously like everything from Mountain View up to San Francisco in my brain is just San Francisco even [TS]

00:30:53   though I know those are those are different places to the people who live there are so the other thing I wanted to ask [TS]

00:30:59   you about is just more to just sort of gauge American knowledge of these things [TS]

00:31:05   and that is universities because I also went to Princeton. [TS]

00:31:10   It was like the middle of nowhere girl who was trying a new in New York and the middle a New Jersey for two hours [TS]

00:31:16   and then changed into this other little poodle in training up to this little place and that and there was Princeton [TS]

00:31:22   and I didn't really you know Princeton's one of these places you know the name [TS]

00:31:27   and maybe you know it's in New Jersey I think maybe probably a lot of people don't you don't know where these places [TS]

00:31:33   are [TS]

00:31:33   and I think Berkeley hike you know probably for a long time as well as a lot of people probably know the name Berkeley [TS]

00:31:40   but might not know that is you know sort of in San Francisco [TS]

00:31:44   and there are all these famous universities with these names that don't really give away where they are the way the [TS]

00:31:50   University of Nottingham where it is yeah you know Cambridge Oxford Yeah yeah so diminished. [TS]

00:32:00   Americans who are obviously more familiar with the university system immediately know where all these places [TS]

00:32:05   and I was as an outsider. [TS]

00:32:07   I'm I still learning or do you think a lot of Americans also are a bit in the dark as to where these places actually. [TS]

00:32:13   I am not sure that I could speak for most Americans here I mean you hear about the Ivy League you know [TS]

00:32:19   and as the top tier universities and even off the top my head I couldn't name all the universities in the Ivy League [TS]

00:32:26   and I know there is one funny one is the Ivy League. [TS]

00:32:32   You think of Ivy League having to do with like the top universities [TS]

00:32:35   but the Ivy League actually has something to do with something else. [TS]

00:32:39   A slick sports team related that sounds like a great video. [TS]

00:32:46   So I guess I would say that that and here is here's my biases rightly so I grew up in New York and so obviously. [TS]

00:32:55   The East Coast of the United States is the best coast of the United States because that's that's where I'm from [TS]

00:33:00   and so I get tons of these universities and [TS]

00:33:03   when you hear like I mean you think of of names of famous university have like like this Harvard is Cornell there's [TS]

00:33:09   Columbia you've got Yale you know all of these places in my whole brain right it's like oh yeah all of those are some [TS]

00:33:17   places they're just on the east coast somewhere. [TS]

00:33:21   Because obviously the East Coast is awesome and it has all the best schools and Berkeley is like that. [TS]

00:33:27   I only know the Berkeley that quote in San Francisco because that was the one that was just the odd ball out from my [TS]

00:33:33   experience is like oh yeah and there's Berkeley but it's all the way over there in California right. [TS]

00:33:39   Whereas I just know that all of these other awesome universities are very eagerly around where I am [TS]

00:33:45   and I don't know too specifically exactly where they are distinctly I feel like it's not I was anyway. [TS]

00:33:51   No I don't I don't I don't think it is Ivy League. [TS]

00:33:53   Again I think the Ivy League is a weird you know get up and think this public is what I think. [TS]

00:34:00   It's got this huge for stage I think it's a different classification as well. [TS]

00:34:04   Yes but you know so that we could Pedia the source of all human knowledge. [TS]

00:34:09   Yes the Ivy League is a collegiate athletic conference composed of sports teams from private institutions of higher [TS]

00:34:16   education in the northeastern United States. [TS]

00:34:19   And yeah it's brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Princeton the one that I was thinking of is the odd one out in [TS]

00:34:28   my mind is University of Pennsylvania and Yale University. The P.D. [TS]

00:34:36   At the very next sentence is the term Ivy League has also has connotations of academic excellence selectivity in [TS]

00:34:43   admissions and social elite ism. [TS]

00:34:46   So there we go that's what we could B.D.'s today about the Ivy League enough [TS]

00:34:50   but so anyway I don't know about most Americans but all I know is the East Coast is awesome [TS]

00:34:55   and that's why the school that there are different I do find the knowledge of where I know we've discussed this before [TS]

00:35:03   personally but I find it really fascinating about people's knowledge or lack of knowledge about where things are [TS]

00:35:09   and it happens you know on the worst of all what happened happened to me a few weeks ago [TS]

00:35:15   when I was looking at a map of San Francisco and I saw San Quentin prison. [TS]

00:35:20   And I've heard of San Quentin and knew that it was his famous prison [TS]

00:35:23   but I didn't actually have a thought about what it was and before then I would've known it was in San Francisco. [TS]

00:35:30   Something would've guessed either so it's amazing that there are lots of places that you are very familiar with [TS]

00:35:37   and seem really familiar to you and if someone ever says Do you know where that is [TS]

00:35:41   or could you point to on a map I think a lot of people would get found. Not that it matters. [TS]

00:35:46   You got a point on a map but I think it's useful. Yes Probably something should be evident. [TS]

00:35:51   Yeah [TS]

00:35:51   but it's always this is always the issue of what you were saying before that the relative difference is for the people [TS]

00:35:57   who are in a place vs the people who are not a player. [TS]

00:36:00   In that place and so you know speaking of East Coast West Coast thing my wife sort of grew up in both Hawaii [TS]

00:36:10   and on the west coast [TS]

00:36:12   and so from her perspective all she knows about the East Coast is to say like oh it's all those little States over [TS]

00:36:19   there and fighting is incorrect everything infuriating because I'm from [TS]

00:36:26   and so I know the geography of the East Coast very well [TS]

00:36:29   and I you know as a family we went to all of these different places [TS]

00:36:33   and it's the same it's just like the Burt Berkeley San Francisco thing writing like are you telling me Connecticut is [TS]

00:36:39   anything at all like Massachusetts good like if you are wrong rightly these places are totally different. [TS]

00:36:45   Right [TS]

00:36:46   and don't even bring up Maine like Maine might as well be a different country if you're talking about New York versus [TS]

00:36:52   Maine like what do you mean they're all just a bunch of little States over there [TS]

00:36:56   and they're all kind of the same is like they're totally different places. [TS]

00:36:59   But [TS]

00:37:00   but like again I can I can appreciate that to somebody who spent a lot of time in like Oregon Oregon is huge compared [TS]

00:37:10   to Rhode Island and so it just it all depends on where you're from and what matters to you in that location [TS]

00:37:18   and you can expect. People elsewhere in the whole wide world to to know these things. [TS]

00:37:25   This brings up one thing that I've always found an interesting exercise to do with students that I used to teach [TS]

00:37:33   and they really like this is a bunch of English kids which was the name the fifty American states game [TS]

00:37:41   and American kids always knew I was American [TS]

00:37:45   and if I just had some time to kill in a lesson I would sometimes do that [TS]

00:37:49   and the kids were always really interested in this [TS]

00:37:51   and the thing that I found most interesting was how often they would instead of naming States they would name. [TS]

00:38:00   Prominent cities and think they were States and so this will happen all the time [TS]

00:38:04   and I'm asking people in fifty states and I would get answers like Chicago Dallas [TS]

00:38:11   and like that I think is very interesting just to get a little perspective on like what do people know about America [TS]

00:38:19   who didn't grow up in America [TS]

00:38:21   and again it is not reasonable to expect a sixteen year old English boy to be able to name all of the fifty states [TS]

00:38:28   and it's more just an interesting exercise to see like what has he heard of that might plausibly be a state. [TS]

00:38:35   Yeah that's why I always like doing I mean that's not just kids on our loads of adults in fact I'm sure if I was put on [TS]

00:38:40   the spot for long enough I could even fall into that trap but I know it's about ups and Chicago is not a state [TS]

00:38:46   but I mean that's the common people of all ages. Got any videos coming anytime soon. [TS]

00:38:55   Well I think I've settled on the topic for my next video but it will it will not be out anytime soon [TS]

00:39:06   and that's partly because of the move that I mentioned last time that I'm still not where the hell's my Yeah [TS]

00:39:12   but I think I've settled on the topic [TS]

00:39:15   but I don't think that soon people I'll ask you what the topic is Wimmer affair because you probably won't tell me [TS]

00:39:22   either just so the listeners don't feel like you're missing out on something he won't tell me either [TS]

00:39:27   but I ask you Can you can ask me but that's true. I will not tell you. What are we going to talk about today. [TS]

00:39:35   We have got a topic as something something you suggested I know you're on Twitter asking the listeners for suggestions [TS]

00:39:41   what if we settled on the I was asking people for suggestions [TS]

00:39:43   and it is partly because I'm still not confident that we're going to make it to ten. [TS]

00:39:48   Some very nervous about picking topics but when I retired I spent ten minutes talking about Cat pay [TS]

00:39:53   and I think we're going to struggle to come up with ten topics yet [TS]

00:39:55   but I hope to God that's never our topic in the future like really going to be you know scraping the bottom. [TS]

00:40:00   At the barrel I think I thought maybe people would be interested in a little bit is how we deal with email [TS]

00:40:08   and it's partly that's been on my mind precisely because of the move so I've been in our new flat [TS]

00:40:19   and my gracious wife has been arranging all kinds of people to come to the flat like setting up the gas [TS]

00:40:26   or setting up the Internet or you know delivering furniture or installing something or having it taken out [TS]

00:40:32   and so my days have been very very interrupted Bolen very broken up [TS]

00:40:39   and so I know on days like that OK I don't even try to do something like work on a script for the next video because I [TS]

00:40:46   need to block out chunks of time to do something like that [TS]

00:40:49   and so the past two days in a row in particular I've been just doing literally in hell all day long. [TS]

00:40:56   Both days and so that's why it's it has it has been on my mind is as potentially something to talk about. [TS]

00:41:04   And yes so it's a mini mouse and it's one of the pains of my existence and so why is it the bane of your existence. [TS]

00:41:14   Well what makes a comeback because I get so much of it or the volume of it is what just makes you sad. [TS]

00:41:22   Yeah I guess that's. And also I guess you know I really like creating things. [TS]

00:41:28   Replying and dealing with a mouse is not a particularly creative endeavor. Is is more of a chore you know. [TS]

00:41:39   Quite often I'll think of a whole bunch of things that require a mouse [TS]

00:41:43   and then I think maybe I'm just going to add a quick number five. [TS]

00:41:47   I don't have a period of video I want to cut and then I had to leave him alone because then I'm making something [TS]

00:41:52   and I'm going to be happy [TS]

00:41:53   and I was going to do you have like a ballpark for how many emails you get a day any idea you know I don't. [TS]

00:42:00   I I guess people who follow both of us on Twitter if there are any such people that have done so for a long time we [TS]

00:42:07   know that we have bit of a running joke that I am US I sometime partly because of volume [TS]

00:42:13   but also because it just annoys you because you're so organized. [TS]

00:42:16   My times I sometimes will screen grab the little red badge showing how many unread emails I have [TS]

00:42:24   and just message it to you or send it to just because it infuriate you to see my lack of organization [TS]

00:42:29   but those numbers are you know I obviously have been in the hundreds of thousands [TS]

00:42:34   but that is a number that incorporates you know some emails from You Tube as well. [TS]

00:42:39   Automatic stuff that would be cheating I don't get hundreds of thousands but I would guess I easily get. [TS]

00:42:49   Fifty to sixty eighty miles a day that probably in a perfect world would require my attention [TS]

00:43:00   but they don't get my attention. [TS]

00:43:03   Yeah that was kind of the ballpark I was trying to look at the couple previous days [TS]

00:43:09   and that's the same for me fifty to maybe a hundred e-mails a day. [TS]

00:43:15   But again in a perfect world I would require some kind of response. Yeah. [TS]

00:43:21   And my archive I was just looking it up now because I've been keeping all my emails and G. Mail for a long time. [TS]

00:43:29   I have nine gigabytes worth of e-mail in my G. Mail archives some some enormous amount of actual individual messages. [TS]

00:43:39   So yeah it is it is huge. [TS]

00:43:42   And yes your endless list of unread emails just in future can be sometimes treated to me with that little bad because I [TS]

00:43:51   cannot I cannot possibly live like that but I think email is different from all of the others because Lisa. [TS]

00:44:00   On something like Twitter one of the reasons I really like Twitter [TS]

00:44:02   and I'm very active on Twitter is it doesn't feel like there is the same kind of social expectation that the person [TS]

00:44:10   you're tweeting at is going to reply to you you know [TS]

00:44:14   and so there are there are tons of people that I follow on Twitter who I tweet at them when they say something [TS]

00:44:20   and I have no expectation that they're going to reply back you know because they're just they're more popular than I am [TS]

00:44:26   or you know or they're just I know they're very busy people. [TS]

00:44:30   Which raises the question about why we tweet in the first place but I think that that's just [TS]

00:44:34   and that's a nice thing about Twitter is that from both ends you know the person receiving the tweets is not under a [TS]

00:44:41   kind of social obligation to reply to each individual one. [TS]

00:44:46   And then you can also just message at people [TS]

00:44:49   and you don't have the expectation that they're going to reply so I think that that's good whereas with e-mail I think [TS]

00:44:54   the expectation is much higher that you're going to get a response [TS]

00:45:00   and that I think is why e-mail is partially much more problematic because the sender has a greater expectation that [TS]

00:45:09   you're going to reply. [TS]

00:45:10   Yeah and so and that's why I think it's left over from letters emails are still formatted like letters [TS]

00:45:18   and I think about this a lot of the times [TS]

00:45:20   when I'm sending e-mail messages especially with people I communicate with regular the is is the point at which you [TS]

00:45:26   start to drop the salutation and the goodbye and the end. [TS]

00:45:31   Right because at some point you realize I know who I'm sending this to. [TS]

00:45:37   THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE THEY KNOW WHO I AM It says my name in the top. I don't need to sign this like it's a letter. [TS]

00:45:45   But if I'm emailing someone who I have never contacted before I will always write it you know dear professor [TS]

00:45:51   or whoever [TS]

00:45:52   and then sign it with my name on the bottom so the e-mails in this funny world where it's still kind of feels like a [TS]

00:45:59   letter. [TS]

00:46:00   And so that's why I think there it is more troublesome because there is this expectation of reply [TS]

00:46:05   and the expectations there. Yeah. [TS]

00:46:10   Explanations that well meant so right this is where I may come off as just like a total jerk [TS]

00:46:20   but it is just the realities of being in this position is that I reply basically to probably less than one percent of [TS]

00:46:30   the of the e-mail messages that I actually get. [TS]

00:46:33   I very much scheduled my e-mail in a particular way and this is how my system works just to preface how this happens. [TS]

00:46:45   People may be familiar with a system basically using something called in bank zero. [TS]

00:46:49   I'll find a link for the show notes [TS]

00:46:52   but there is a sort of Internet famous talk done by a guy called Merlin Mann at Google a number of years ago talking [TS]

00:46:58   about a system for managing e-mail [TS]

00:47:01   and it's basically if you've ever read Getting Things Done the book which I highly recommend in bug zero is getting [TS]

00:47:08   things done. Applied your email So here here's the basic you know way way that it works is that. [TS]

00:47:14   The messages come in you have your e-mail messages [TS]

00:47:17   and you have a limited number of things that you can do with those messages right you can reply to them immediately. [TS]

00:47:26   You can delete them or they can be a kind of pending message. [TS]

00:47:33   You need something to happen at a later time so you can file it under like a waiting for kind of system you know [TS]

00:47:41   or you can file it as something to be action later. [TS]

00:47:43   So there's like four things that can happen and this is the way my system works [TS]

00:47:48   and I try very very hard to really only look at my e-mail maybe once or twice a day. [TS]

00:47:55   It's not always perfect but when I open up my e-mail inbox. [TS]

00:48:00   Basically I just do that OK I'm going through the inbox [TS]

00:48:05   and all I'm deciding is OK am I going to reply to this message right away [TS]

00:48:11   and that usually only happens if it's incredibly brief so that you will sometimes get one sentence e-mails from me. [TS]

00:48:17   Yeah or it's incredibly important which luckily doesn't happen too often. [TS]

00:48:22   If it doesn't get replied to immediately the next question is do I need to reply to this at some point maybe not right [TS]

00:48:30   now. And if that's the case on my computer I flag it so I have a keyboard shortcut so I can take control S. [TS]

00:48:38   and It automatically archives the message but also flags it so it shows up in my folder of flag messages [TS]

00:48:44   and so that is going to be replied to at some point in the future. While that folder would grow very fast. [TS]

00:48:53   Yes Well with that we will get the best. Or I delete the message. [TS]

00:49:02   That's the Basically what happens and do you feel a little pang of sadness when you delete someone you know. [TS]

00:49:09   Beautifully written missive without even replying to what something due to late Give me an example of things you don't [TS]

00:49:14   like the answer to your question why do I feel sadness is that I used to [TS]

00:49:19   and so I don't know if you've you've had the same experience [TS]

00:49:21   but I have had this progression over my You Tube career as I have been fortunate enough for the videos to become more [TS]

00:49:27   and more popular that the number of things that I can possibly reply to has decreased over time [TS]

00:49:33   but in the beginning I used to reply to everybody who emailed me [TS]

00:49:37   and even in my early videos you can see I reply to almost every single comment if I possibly could. [TS]

00:49:42   Yeah like that is that is still there but as time has gone on that is that is less and less practical [TS]

00:49:49   and so there was there was a period in which I did feel a sort of guilt about not being able to reply to all the e-mail [TS]

00:49:55   messages that I received. But at this point. [TS]

00:50:00   So I think I have gotten so used to being able to quickly filter out my email inbox that I do not have any guilt [TS]

00:50:08   because I I don't have any time to have any guilt because I've just gotten so fast at the at the keyboard commands like [TS]

00:50:15   delete delete delete flag flag flag lethally flag flag reply type type type type and delete delete delete flag flag. [TS]

00:50:21   That's what I do when I check the mail right like as fast as I possibly can feel like a robot. [TS]

00:50:27   No no it's just that you acknowledge it to read that email can be this endless time sync [TS]

00:50:33   and an email is not your job right. [TS]

00:50:36   You're not getting paid to reply to emails like mine if I just spent all day replying to all the messages that come in [TS]

00:50:45   I will not have a You Tube career and my wife and I will be out on the street right to life. [TS]

00:50:49   I can't I can't spend a lot of time I want to get email done as fast as humanly possible because this is not how I [TS]

00:50:59   should be spending my day and I think for people who like my videos I think they would agree. [TS]

00:51:06   If you like my videos you want me to spend more time making those videos and less time getting into a back [TS]

00:51:13   and forth discussion with you know some person who happens to have emailed me about a particular thing in a previous [TS]

00:51:19   video I get. Ten of those a day that could be messages that just end up back and forth forever and ever. [TS]

00:51:28   You know at a at a minimum and so I just have to do those kinds of things [TS]

00:51:33   and so I guess the thing that I'm thinking of is you have to know what do I believe this is going to sound terrible [TS]

00:51:42   but if people email me. [TS]

00:51:45   But you first have to find my e-mail address you don't have to be like Sherlock to figure out what my email address is [TS]

00:51:50   but I know I don't make it public anymore and that certainly has cut down on the volume a lot because [TS]

00:51:56   when it used to be at the apex of when I was get. [TS]

00:52:00   I'm quite popular on You Tube but still had my email listed on the home page like email me with your thoughts. [TS]

00:52:07   At some point I was getting just hundreds and hundreds of emails [TS]

00:52:10   and I thought oh OK I can't do this anymore I took it off but people can still know my email addresses. [TS]

00:52:14   Yeah but the people message me and I would say that any particular email message that that comes into my inbox. [TS]

00:52:26   It has three seconds to convince me to not hit the delete button and that is that is an absolute max [TS]

00:52:36   and I've gotten very very good at kind of getting the gist of an email almost immediately [TS]

00:52:44   and just being like to leave goodbye message before I ask you that. [TS]

00:52:50   Best Practice tell me some of the worst practice what's going to get me deleted. Yeah right so this is this is also. [TS]

00:52:58   It's really interesting to be in this position because because I like to contact experts if I can for my own research [TS]

00:53:06   projects I'm in this interesting position [TS]

00:53:08   and I am also a person who is trying to get the attention of other busy people who probably do the same kinds of things [TS]

00:53:16   who get lots of messages and just delete a whole bunch of them. [TS]

00:53:20   So it's it's very interesting to me to be on both sides of that [TS]

00:53:25   and I have to say I I have a very high response rates for the emails I send. [TS]

00:53:30   Other busy people who don't know who I am [TS]

00:53:32   and I think that that precisely because I've gotten so many messages to me where you can just see OK don't do this. [TS]

00:53:38   So the things that I'm going to say you can take it as a like a lesson in like how to contact a busy person [TS]

00:53:46   and get a reply. Yeah. So I would say instant death is a message that goes beyond the screen of my computer. [TS]

00:53:58   Like if I was on duty. [TS]

00:54:00   The message is if something comes up [TS]

00:54:01   and the scroll bar pops up on the side so I can see you have written so many paragraphs it goes off my screen. [TS]

00:54:08   That is almost a guaranteed instant delete. [TS]

00:54:11   Even if they have like a killer first sentence that says you know he's right so [TS]

00:54:16   when I said I have three seconds what you base what that means is I'm very aware that I tend to read the first sentence [TS]

00:54:23   of the first paragraph [TS]

00:54:25   and the first sentence of the second paragraph at most to see if it's going to like stay in my hand on the delete [TS]

00:54:33   button [TS]

00:54:34   and I have learned that if those messages are really long those first two sentences that I read never convince me otherwise. [TS]

00:54:43   If it's like you know you said you're afraid that someone has sent you a Nobel prize winning email [TS]

00:54:49   and you know you haven't gone through it. [TS]

00:54:52   Like that can totally be true [TS]

00:54:54   and I will fully acknowledge that maybe someone has sent me like an important long message that I would have liked to [TS]

00:55:00   have read that I haven't [TS]

00:55:02   but because of the time constraints of the real world you can't make decisions like that you can't read every email as [TS]

00:55:10   though it's going to be possibly incredibly important. [TS]

00:55:14   You have to use these kind of mental Harris ticks [TS]

00:55:16   and one of the things that I have learned is that basically the length of the email is almost always inversely related [TS]

00:55:24   to its potential importance. [TS]

00:55:26   So e-mail that I'm going likely to respond to you are relatively short [TS]

00:55:31   and that's one the reasons why if I'm emailing a professor that I want to have him look over my script [TS]

00:55:35   or you know a researcher [TS]

00:55:36   or someone my e-mails are as brief as they can possibly be they're basically you know three paragraphs each paragraph [TS]

00:55:48   is about two sentences long and each paragraph is designed to hit a very particular point. [TS]

00:55:57   So my message is to other people basically start with. Here's why you might want to read this. [TS]

00:56:03   You know here's a link to the thing that I would like you to take a look at [TS]

00:56:09   and then I finish with the paragraph of here's who I am [TS]

00:56:14   and that's the kind of message that I send out to somebody else because I'm aware that that is relatively effective [TS]

00:56:18   when people are trying to get my attention get straight to the point [TS]

00:56:23   and tell me leader who you are you know don't don't start an e-mail with like the two paragraph C.V. [TS]

00:56:32   I want to know why are you contacting me and then later I want to know who you are going to tell us [TS]

00:56:39   and I maybe it didn't follow that I had a reasonable response right to you but maybe maybe it would be better. [TS]

00:56:46   That's that's going to trust. Because it's yeah I was there. [TS]

00:56:49   It's something I'm really aware of when I'm reading e-mails [TS]

00:56:51   and that's why I do the first sentence of the first paragraph in the first sentence of the second paragraph because [TS]

00:56:56   almost always that first paragraph is some kind of introduction to who the person is [TS]

00:57:01   and I understand that you have maybe accomplished many great things in your life [TS]

00:57:06   but I can't evaluate that in context until I know what you're asking me what do you want. [TS]

00:57:14   And then if it's an interesting question [TS]

00:57:17   or you know it's an interesting proposal then I want to know more about who you are. [TS]

00:57:22   I don't just want to know who you are in the abstract you know again this is for designing emails that are going to get [TS]

00:57:28   a response from a busy person not emailing your friends obviously. So that's like best practice. [TS]

00:57:34   Actually I found that really interesting myself. [TS]

00:57:37   Actually the funny thing is for me anyway the subject field doesn't really matter because [TS]

00:57:41   when I'm blasting through emails I don't see the Subject field the way it's the way it's set up is [TS]

00:57:47   when I hit delete like the next message just loads. [TS]

00:57:51   And so again I'm kind of doing first sentence second sentence scanning so the subject doesn't actually matter a whole [TS]

00:57:57   lot to me but that's just the way I have my own. Email set up a parliament. Good idea bad idea. [TS]

00:58:04   I don't think I've ever opened an attachment that anybody has ever sent me. [TS]

00:58:12   As was not going to as is not going to happen. [TS]

00:58:15   People I know who you are not opening up some attachment that you have sent me. [TS]

00:58:18   What about that what about someone you know someone like me whose name you know. [TS]

00:58:24   How often do I end up in that deleted bin Well can I get an extra sentence Grayson. Well you end up. Really. [TS]

00:58:38   I guess basically you end up in the same deleted [TS]

00:58:41   but I actually archive it I do keep all the messages even though I know that Nobel Prize is still sitting somewhere. [TS]

00:58:47   Yeah I mean the archive is almost functionally equivalent to delete in ninety nine percent of cases [TS]

00:58:53   but basically if you sent me an email [TS]

00:58:55   and I don't reply to that email I have archived that email so that that does happen and it's because I mean email [TS]

00:59:02   and it just doesn't warrant a reply you to telling me something which also gets into the weird email etiquette which is [TS]

00:59:07   just sometimes uncomfortable where with people you think oh you told me this thing. Do I need to just say thanks. [TS]

00:59:14   Yeah yeah but just like have a look at this link with this video I thought you might like it. [TS]

00:59:19   Yeah there can be a little weird sometimes and again it sounds crazy to hesitate over sending thanks link [TS]

00:59:28   but if you know the other person is also receiving lots of e-mail every day. [TS]

00:59:34   All of those things start to add up over time I like that can become that can become quite monstrous. [TS]

00:59:41   I guess like I'd like some acknowledgement that things are safe OK but because I can ignore thanks [TS]

00:59:47   but not knowing that the worst thing for me is when he when I when someone says let's film together [TS]

00:59:54   and I'll email back and say brilliant. Wednesday three o'clock is good and they don't reply. [TS]

01:00:00   And until they reply that extra time and say yep it's going back I won't put it in my diary [TS]

01:00:08   and then I just don't turn up somewhere and they're like I got your email saying [TS]

01:00:11   when say three o'clock I was waiting here until I get that confirmation [TS]

01:00:15   and I know this I know that's more extreme than thanks for their email but I find that totally baffling. [TS]

01:00:21   Who are you working with who doesn't replied to confirm her calendar [TS]

01:00:25   and dates academics academics with their heads in the clouds right. [TS]

01:00:29   I would act the same way as you until I get a reply [TS]

01:00:31   or something like that it does not count on the putting you in my calendar until I get a reply for that forget it. [TS]

01:00:37   I get to you sometimes but you've got all these men these you know procedures in place and that's good that's good. [TS]

01:00:44   But do you sometimes just reply on a whim to something you normally wouldn't reply to. [TS]

01:00:52   Yet every once in a while someone sends me an email and I will I will just reply but that that is so random [TS]

01:01:00   and such a tiny percent of my outgoing email that it basically doesn't matter at all [TS]

01:01:06   but it does happen on occasion that something will just randomly catch my attention. [TS]

01:01:12   What if just wait is just an out and I say this like you know like something overseas or not but [TS]

01:01:18   when you do get fan mail somebody saying thanks for the videos for making they're really good. I mean a lot to me. [TS]

01:01:24   Do you apply to those ones. [TS]

01:01:27   OK Again this is the sound really awful but no I don't reply to them [TS]

01:01:32   and this is this is where it comes into the question of why is that. Thanks. Is sending just the word Thanks. [TS]

01:01:41   Worse than not replying. Thanks just feel like it's totally empty and devoid of any meaning. [TS]

01:01:51   Like thanks I have made no comment at all about the things that you have said to me. And so sending it. [TS]

01:02:00   So yeah it's just so devoid of meaning that it feels more honest to not reply and and frankly this because I can't. [TS]

01:02:13   You sound like a terrible person but I don't I don't know people are interested but [TS]

01:02:17   but interested in just how how things are from a certain perspective like this is this is going back to a few [TS]

01:02:24   conversations ago we were talking about Derek's comment. Derek of Veritasium pretty dark. [TS]

01:02:31   His comment that like the value of positive feedback goes to zero as you get more and more of it [TS]

01:02:37   and it's interesting because it's like very many hate the word fan I really hate the word fan [TS]

01:02:47   but yeah it's an awful word because it describes qualities of the person that I don't think are fair. [TS]

01:02:53   But let's say appreciative emails that you get are almost all of the same. [TS]

01:03:02   And it's like this quote that that all happy families are identical [TS]

01:03:05   but miserable families are all miserable in their own unique way [TS]

01:03:09   and it's the same thing with feedback right positive emails are almost always all the same. [TS]

01:03:15   But people who hate you have their own really particular reason for hating you [TS]

01:03:20   and so that the negative mail is much more varied in its content than the positive mail [TS]

01:03:27   and I don't really reply to either but it's it's interesting when you start talking about getting lots [TS]

01:03:32   and lots of email messages from people to you to see that [TS]

01:03:36   and it's very rare that there is something unique in a positive message that that catches my attention [TS]

01:03:43   and I will mention one that stuck with me like you know there aren't very many [TS]

01:03:46   but somebody sent me a message where they said that they hadn't really been speaking to their brother in a while [TS]

01:03:55   but at a Thanksgiving dinner they discovered that they had both watched and like my videos. [TS]

01:04:00   Probably in that they have had a whole conversation about my videos it was really nice to be able to have a starting [TS]

01:04:06   point for you know a new conversation with family member and I thought oh that you know that's really nice [TS]

01:04:13   and that's very specific and you know I appreciated hearing that and I and I I think I replied to that person [TS]

01:04:22   but I think that it's interesting to hear him take this further comment depending on my mood. [TS]

01:04:27   But it's interesting you're you're talking about in replying [TS]

01:04:31   and this feedback about what you you know what you get from. [TS]

01:04:35   But should we should both of us be thinking about what the recipient will get from us taking five seconds to reply. [TS]

01:04:44   Well I mean what it means to them and I know that he's all these five ten thirty seconds add up. [TS]

01:04:50   Yeah they did pop into my head that so I'll tell you why in a minute. I had been on the other side of this and so. [TS]

01:04:58   I have definitely sent fan emails I guess in the Internet age to people who I thought were just totally awesome [TS]

01:05:07   and I would say the thanks email I honestly found a worse experience to receive then the nothing e-mail. Fair enough. [TS]

01:05:17   Yes And I mean that is just my personal experience I saw him [TS]

01:05:21   and I got I don't know I have I have a message famous people and gotten back the one word thanks. [TS]

01:05:29   You going to tell us one even if it's not someone who said I think people are going to want to know who see G.P. [TS]

01:05:33   Grayson to fan out and now I'm not going to you're going to be one with others for this but it was my business. [TS]

01:05:41   You can tell us now to talk about how you administer your Even my business telling me about the evidence you choosing [TS]

01:05:50   to imagine that I'm not going to mention to you great outbound fan mail. Sorry everyone. [TS]

01:06:00   Let me tell you why I brought it up like this a sudden this is a this is a slight tangent. [TS]

01:06:04   Yeah but it's something that was in my head I was reading through some one of the Reddit Bex about advertising [TS]

01:06:13   and this person or a comment about all the things they hate about advertising. [TS]

01:06:18   I hate this I don't like this this just bugs me and it wasn't that long a comment but they used the word I. [TS]

01:06:25   I think ten times in the comment and never once did they mention the person who made the free video they were watching. [TS]

01:06:38   And what benefits they may or may not get from advertising and I do think it's all very selfish. [TS]

01:06:48   Well I guess that's that's the nature of you know humans but I do think it's easy to do [TS]

01:06:56   and I promise you I ignore more a mouse than you so I'm not I'm not being high and mighty [TS]

01:07:03   but I do sometimes feel bad about people who have taken a long time to write something from the heart [TS]

01:07:09   and if I think there is something from the heart and it sounds really stupid and mushy [TS]

01:07:12   but if I think something from the heart I will write something and I will make sure it's more I will say thanks [TS]

01:07:19   and then I'll make sure there is one sentence or one phrase in there that proves that I read that even if it. [TS]

01:07:27   Yeah even if it's their name [TS]

01:07:29   or something like that because I think you know these people have taken taken some trouble [TS]

01:07:35   and I know I know lives are not going you know I just want to interject here because I just I think you know this [TS]

01:07:43   morning my sense of time is all messed up [TS]

01:07:46   but I think it was just this morning I actually left a comment on someone's You Tube channel who had just made a You [TS]

01:07:53   Tube video. Just basically saying that they enjoyed the podcast and they enjoyed the videos that I made. [TS]

01:08:01   And I have the same experience that you do which is that if I'm going to leave a thank you comment I want the person to [TS]

01:08:07   know that I actually watched the thing. [TS]

01:08:10   Yes And so I was going to just write thanks [TS]

01:08:14   but then I added another little comment just just to prove you know I didn't just see that you made a video about this [TS]

01:08:22   pod cast I saw that you made the video and I actually watched it [TS]

01:08:27   and you can know that through the comment that I have left so that that that I agree [TS]

01:08:32   and that's also why if I feel I feel very strongly about this I just sending the thanks is kind of worse. [TS]

01:08:38   Yeah not replying because the not replies is much more honest especially as you like when I'm being a robot [TS]

01:08:45   and I'm just delete delete delete you no archive archive archive all these messages. [TS]

01:08:50   You know if I scan a very quickly and see that it is it is an e-mail that is positive I appreciate receiving that. [TS]

01:08:59   But I'm not going to reply thanks. [TS]

01:09:01   Fifty times a day to a message that like you don't get anything from the thanks and you know it's just but [TS]

01:09:09   but again these expectations with e-mail that these are like letters is makes e-mail much more complicated [TS]

01:09:17   and even though I don't have any guilt about archiving those messages because it's just a parting of the subsidy that [TS]

01:09:23   that that feeling of hesitation is still much more there than something like Twitter you know [TS]

01:09:28   or Reddit messages you know what I feel no obligation to not you know to reply to it in the slightest. [TS]

01:09:33   What about the concern because not everyone is a savvy as you are with their writing [TS]

01:09:39   and you know they might they might bury the latest news papers and put the important stuff down the bottom [TS]

01:09:45   and what if that means a missed opportunity he would have someone says David Gray This is who I am this is my life [TS]

01:09:52   story and I think you're wonderful and then that last sentence is [TS]

01:09:55   and by the way I just found a huge diamond in my back out and I won. Good to have it. [TS]

01:10:01   And you've you've never even got to because you have to later that night because that would worry me. [TS]

01:10:07   That worries me that so I don't worry about this at all. [TS]

01:10:10   Not in not in the slightest and [TS]

01:10:12   and I guess because you can't evaluate things individually The only question is what is the correct system for [TS]

01:10:23   maximizing the value that you get from email. [TS]

01:10:26   Yes I know but [TS]

01:10:28   but like what is your argument that you want to spend all day using e-mail inefficiently like your argument is just [TS]

01:10:34   crazy. [TS]

01:10:35   My argument is correct that if if if I have I have seen over time a particular pattern that certain e-mails that match [TS]

01:10:44   certain heuristics in my mind just have nothing to reply to or have no value. [TS]

01:10:49   I mean sure I guess I could read every single every single message that comes in every day. [TS]

01:10:54   But like that argument is equally valid for all of the spam I get when I look at my spam folder. [TS]

01:10:59   Because because my e-mail was much more public on the web years ago I get now is ins of spam messages a day I mean my [TS]

01:11:08   spam folder is just an enormous. Yeah right your argument is equally valid. [TS]

01:11:13   What if what if the guy with the diamond sent you a message and it got caught in the spam so [TS]

01:11:18   but your are your Where is your safety. [TS]

01:11:21   Well I guess I mean you're treating your treating it and there's a balance in it [TS]

01:11:25   but you're treating it like the Large Hadron Collider you know [TS]

01:11:28   and you've got three hundred million collisions a second to progress and you've got to start applying blanket rolls [TS]

01:11:33   and dips and maybe they do expose on every now [TS]

01:11:36   and again because of all these filters I apply had to say that these are not these particle collisions are the human [TS]

01:11:45   beings and I would say that human beings are like particle collisions [TS]

01:11:49   and the thing that I will give you for this is that I I think I think you know some listeners may know I'm in college I [TS]

01:11:56   did a dual major I did physics and I did sociology. [TS]

01:12:00   But I was originally going to do physics and psychology was my original plan [TS]

01:12:07   but after a few psychology courses I kind of came to the conclusion that these people were not sufficiently rigorous [TS]

01:12:16   from my perspective [TS]

01:12:18   and that human beings it's much more like an ideal gas right trying to imagine the individual motivations of an [TS]

01:12:26   individual human mind is just you never going to get anywhere with that. [TS]

01:12:31   But if we look at humans in a collective manner like sociology does. [TS]

01:12:35   Yeah you can draw meaningful conclusions from the behavior of hundreds of people in a way that like pontificating all [TS]

01:12:45   day long about like what a particular person's dreams mean right [TS]

01:12:48   or like wise if they do this thing that's just a total waste of your time in your life [TS]

01:12:53   but like what do one hundred people do in this situation. Great now we can draw bell curves about expected outcomes. [TS]

01:13:00   And so I think the same thing applies to the male. [TS]

01:13:02   Yes I understand there are human beings at the other end of that email [TS]

01:13:05   but it doesn't change that from my perspective this has to be like a heuristic Basie in kind of calculation. Right. [TS]

01:13:14   I have this government's period for a very long emails almost always have nothing of any value in them so if you see a [TS]

01:13:20   long e-mail you can just assume you can delete it almost immediately. [TS]

01:13:23   I do a do a quick check and then like nope sorry but you know gone [TS]

01:13:27   and again there are certain certain kinds of ways that people open emails like just the first sentence I can know OK [TS]

01:13:36   this this email falls into a particular category and if I'm if I'm wrong sometimes that's going to happen [TS]

01:13:43   but I think that the number of times that I am wrong does not outweigh the time that I save by not going over each [TS]

01:13:51   individual email with a fine tooth comb and yet it's two quick things that have you had to say. [TS]

01:14:00   Nation series Boss I guess I'm off. [TS]

01:14:02   I have read the first two I have not read the full series I loved in the my favorite books [TS]

01:14:08   but they they're interesting because they apply this whole treating huge masses of cordons like Lego history right. [TS]

01:14:13   Yeah yeah so that that could make you think [TS]

01:14:15   but the other thing that's popping into my head is probably I mean exactly like you. [TS]

01:14:19   I receive a lot of e-mails from people wanting to work together in some business way I have to thought about this [TS]

01:14:25   and they don't let me forget. [TS]

01:14:27   OK You know we join our network or can we advertise our new semiautomatic weapon on your channels and I yeah but [TS]

01:14:37   and I don't reply to those [TS]

01:14:40   but the reason I'm sitting in Berkeley talking to you today is because I did open one of those [TS]

01:14:45   and it was someone wanting to collaborate with number four who is now a really important collaborator with number file [TS]

01:14:52   and mathematics sciences research institute here basically I'm here working with mathematicians [TS]

01:14:57   and making all these cool videos and. But that wouldn't have happened if I had seen the Mylan So here we go again. [TS]

01:15:06   What I really want to do now and I will and maybe we can follow next time is I want to go [TS]

01:15:12   and find the e-mail that was first sent to me by the director here that started the conversation. [TS]

01:15:18   I mean he's a really smart excellent man and I wonder if they followed their C.D.P. Gray rules of attention getting. [TS]

01:15:25   I wonder if he was smart. [TS]

01:15:29   I got lucky or I really mean e-mails and it paid off but I will find out how to get that e-mail [TS]

01:15:35   and find out whether it was whether it was my stupid old fashioned panning for gold [TS]

01:15:41   or it was your theory that it was well written and cut to the chase. [TS]

01:15:45   Yes Yes because that is a two two things about this. [TS]

01:15:54   The first as a slight tangent is that I actually got the most valuable thing. [TS]

01:16:00   In my life from email which is my wife [TS]

01:16:04   and I met my wife through an e-mail from an earlier Internet project that I was running that she liked she sent me an [TS]

01:16:13   email you know just as a as a random person on the Internet and that eventually led to us meeting [TS]

01:16:17   and getting married [TS]

01:16:19   and her first email was very good at it was it was an email that indicated that that she actually knew who I was [TS]

01:16:25   and that we had common interests so heading out. [TS]

01:16:30   Oh yeah yeah I have I still have that that I knew he was sentimental side that is a valued possession of course in a [TS]

01:16:38   position I get his undoing you misunderstand me I have not not a sentimental No I definitely have and that [TS]

01:16:44   and it is great every once a while I go back [TS]

01:16:46   and look at that is introduced out of my whole life has changed because of that particular name so you know if you do [TS]

01:16:52   what you should have printed and make it big for a mat of de horns [TS]

01:16:56   and put it they have the well yeah that sounds like my style. [TS]

01:17:00   The dear Owens is a nice touch I like that and the second thing is that now to get back to [TS]

01:17:05   and sentimentality go back to business right now and to your your comments is that. [TS]

01:17:11   I have the same kind of heuristic which is trying to identify very quickly is this some kind of business email [TS]

01:17:16   and again like the podcast of first world You Tube or problems right or people send me business deals. [TS]

01:17:22   Yeah [TS]

01:17:23   and I definitely if it looks like it is some kind of business deal like you said someone who wants to collaborate I do [TS]

01:17:29   read those much more carefully. Still very quickly. Yeah but more carefully than normal. Yeah. [TS]

01:17:37   Because because this is the case where like your situation I'm aware that something valuable may come out of this now [TS]

01:17:46   to be fair I mean you know and I think the other You Tubers who were sort of friends what they know of all of us. [TS]

01:17:53   I am definitely the most cautious person and I am the person who says no to the largest number of things. [TS]

01:18:00   Yes but I still do read through those just in case something comes along that I do I do think it's valuable [TS]

01:18:06   but just a point to you say no to most business deals [TS]

01:18:09   but you are the one who married someone he managed through the future. [TS]

01:18:15   But even the business deals [TS]

01:18:17   and people would not believe how how many terrible terrible self destructive offers you can get as a as a professional [TS]

01:18:28   You Tube [TS]

01:18:28   or I mean just some of the worst things were people people I think this relates to you know maybe a future topic that [TS]

01:18:37   people have written me emails where they want to pay me substantial leads like sizable numbers of money to make a video [TS]

01:18:46   that is just a terrible advertisement for their product. [TS]

01:18:49   Basically And I think one of the worst I ever got was from a company who wanted who wanted me to flog their new. [TS]

01:18:59   Internet sales process they want to be like a new kind of Pay Pal and they're like oh here's what you're going to do. [TS]

01:19:05   We're going to give you a bunch of money [TS]

01:19:06   and you're going to make a video about the history of commerce on the Internet [TS]

01:19:12   and it'll end with our product as the future of commerce on the Internet and they just like I'm never going to do that. [TS]

01:19:21   This is like what I think might be an interesting topic for the future is like the value of of the the people who give [TS]

01:19:28   you attention like I'm very fortunate to be in a situation where people want to watch the videos that I make [TS]

01:19:33   but I am keenly aware that one of the reason so many people watch my videos is because they know [TS]

01:19:39   when I release something it's something worth watching. [TS]

01:19:43   Yes and that's why I get just awful awful business deals to flog other people's stuff on the channel. [TS]

01:19:52   It just isn't worth it because I'd be betraying the people who have subscribed to my channel by now. [TS]

01:20:00   So here is a video but it's actually an advertisement like that [TS]

01:20:04   and it gets back like why it was it was kind of upsetting from a people thought they were the Reddit video who was an [TS]

01:20:08   ad like I was really surprised and caught off guard by that. [TS]

01:20:11   But that's again that's a topic for a different time but yeah business emails I read more carefully. [TS]

01:20:16   But until almost all of them are just terrible terrible things as a note I write down a few things I was going to ask [TS]

01:20:26   you but I think you've come with nice to them. Was there anything else you wanted to. [TS]

01:20:29   Anything else you wanted to point out on this topic I think I think maybe just the the final thing that I would say oh [TS]

01:20:38   actually yeah now I would say the one thing I didn't I didn't quite explain which is the whole reason I started talking [TS]

01:20:44   about this is my wife. [TS]

01:20:47   Yeah some topic [TS]

01:20:48   and at the very end you go over the last thing this is the whole reason I want to get a better of doing this I don't [TS]

01:20:54   know how long you've been recording now it seems like a long time. [TS]

01:20:56   I'm sorry people try to edit that was sort of from They're going to have to edit out because we've said a few things [TS]

01:21:02   that make it sound bite you in that setting now said like a douche bag. [TS]

01:21:12   It's all in the power of the editing grade you got that right now I want to edit these things that I will only look at [TS]

01:21:18   all that one time and edit stuff paying a penalty for that one. Now is all I was going to say is. [TS]

01:21:27   The e-mail system that works very well for me. [TS]

01:21:30   Funnily enough when I was a teacher I actually kind of got in in its own way as I got more email than I do now [TS]

01:21:38   but that is because at one school [TS]

01:21:40   and this is I've talked to people who work in corporate settings in corporate settings you have the like death by [TS]

01:21:45   carbon copy where everybody sends an e-mail to everybody else in the whole business [TS]

01:21:52   and at this one school I remember once I was out sick for a few days and I came back and I opened up my email [TS]

01:21:59   and I forget. [TS]

01:22:00   The unread message thing was over a thousand [TS]

01:22:04   and I had been out for like three days I know my God And it's going going through all of that it was a C.C. [TS]

01:22:10   Done all kinds of stuff so you can get a lot of e-mail you don't have to be a like a You Tube person to get a ton of [TS]

01:22:16   e-mail and I found that [TS]

01:22:18   when I was a teacher that that e-mail was more stressful because it was trying to find the needle in the haystack of [TS]

01:22:23   like which of these things are relevant to me what you would need to know about [TS]

01:22:26   and at least at least now know your email is not about you. [TS]

01:22:30   Yeah it's relevant which makes it easier to some extent but what I was going to say is that the system that I used [TS]

01:22:38   and that I still use it [TS]

01:22:39   when I really recommend for people with that that flagging system of I'm replying to an e-mail now [TS]

01:22:45   or I'm not replying to it or I'm going to reply to it later. [TS]

01:22:50   The thing that really works for me about that is that that later bit. [TS]

01:22:54   And so [TS]

01:22:54   when I was having a more regular job I had a real schedule of every Wednesday I would clear out my flagged folder so [TS]

01:23:03   the rule was all of the messages that had a flag on it. [TS]

01:23:07   They had to be cleared out of that folder I had to reply to them or take the information out of them [TS]

01:23:12   or do something with them but they couldn't stay there in that in that flag folder. [TS]

01:23:18   You know past that Wednesday night disciplined your luggage and I like if I did that I'd be like pushed to Monday. [TS]

01:23:27   But when I get back from holiday. [TS]

01:23:29   But here's it like if if I don't think of myself as a particularly disciplined person [TS]

01:23:35   but I'm aware that in certain contexts there's a huge amount of payoff to following a couple of rules [TS]

01:23:45   and so for people doing email in an office situation I really recommend this system of check your email sort of twice a [TS]

01:23:53   day once in the morning once in the afternoon and flag stuff that can wait until whenever your schedule. [TS]

01:24:00   No period for replying to emails are you know that worked really well for me when I was a teacher. [TS]

01:24:05   That and the thing is that works well for me now. [TS]

01:24:09   But the reason people will see me complain on Twitter about email is that my cycle now is I mentally flag stuff that I [TS]

01:24:17   can deal with after I finish the next video. [TS]

01:24:21   But since since my video cycle is somewhere between four to six weeks it means like like what has been driving me crazy [TS]

01:24:29   the past couple days is that I will end up with a flag folder that has three hundred emails in it [TS]

01:24:37   and those are all messages that need a real reply. Right that's stuff that has passed the initial response. [TS]

01:24:46   The deleted you know I need to reply because this is about you know something with advertising with the podcast [TS]

01:24:51   or you know this is a reply from some professor I emailed [TS]

01:24:55   or you know this is something about a research project that I'm working on [TS]

01:24:58   and so that's why I tend to have these huge batches of two days in a row three days in a row sometimes I like nothing [TS]

01:25:07   but email because I like blocked it all off in one period of time. [TS]

01:25:11   But I actually think that that that works really well. [TS]

01:25:15   Like I like batching similar tasks together like that and so I think it's better to do email in blocks. [TS]

01:25:23   You know and if you're doing it on a weekly basis like OK Wednesday mornings is like nothing but e-mail [TS]

01:25:27   and I think you're much more effective that way than if you just kind of have email open all the time in the batter on [TS]

01:25:33   fetching I like I like just a little bit of this and then a little bit [TS]

01:25:37   and reflect on a mound that reminds me of something else I want to look at when we compete. [TS]

01:25:41   Yeah I was going to say you reply e-mail suspiciously quickly so I assume that you just have it open in my background I [TS]

01:25:47   check my email once every fifteen twenty minutes at least. [TS]

01:25:52   At least it's like that and it's terrible that it literally this is literally a dopamine addiction. [TS]

01:26:00   I've got to a point now where sometimes I take I take it out of my taskbar on the mac because even if it's closed I [TS]

01:26:11   would just instinctively go down and open up. [TS]

01:26:14   But even if I don't want to open are just going to quickly I think and I don't even want to open up [TS]

01:26:19   and I've just done it like as a as a reflex. So I've gotten to a point now where I asked to try and wean myself off. [TS]

01:26:25   I'm taking the money out of out of the task. [TS]

01:26:29   It's terrible [TS]

01:26:30   and it's a real problem with that is that is really terrible you gotta you gotta break that dopamine addiction body [TS]

01:26:36   and yes it is a completely it's a real it's a real problem and you know so [TS]

01:26:41   but those ones I'm checking all the time you know I'm looking for e-mails from my friends or my collaborators [TS]

01:26:47   and you know something lying to him if he knew that something I've been I've been experimenting with that part of my [TS]

01:26:55   problem is that you know [TS]

01:26:58   when you don't check email very often you're concerned about missing e-mails from important people [TS]

01:27:04   and so I have I have been experimenting with Apple's feature to mark certain people as V.I.P.'s so they have a they [TS]

01:27:11   have a higher level of notification across various devices. [TS]

01:27:15   So you may have noticed you've gotten faster replies for me lately but I don't really see two [TS]

01:27:20   or three days faster than weeks. You know like OK we're down days but but. [TS]

01:27:26   I've been I've been playing with that but I still don't I still don't like it [TS]

01:27:30   and I think I'm going to stop using the V.I.P. [TS]

01:27:32   System at all because to me the real value in email like I run my whole life through email my wife knows if she needs [TS]

01:27:39   something done the best way to make sure I do it is to email it to me because an email is the starting point that [TS]

01:27:45   filters through to the whole rest of all my organization systems which we might talk about someday [TS]

01:27:50   but just to clarify you're not a robot I am not a robot and I wish I was a robot [TS]

01:27:54   but sadly I am not of what you have like this data entry point to your informational organizational system. Yes yes. [TS]

01:28:01   My wife knows that the e-mail is the correct protocol for making sure they get the right system. [TS]

01:28:08   Sorry but but but but yes I have found that the V.I.P. Thing kind of. [TS]

01:28:15   It moves email to be more like instant messenger like a back and forth. [TS]

01:28:20   And so I'm not happy at all with getting notifications from the A.P. [TS]

01:28:24   So as I think the value in email is is it's a synchronicity that you deal with that when you have time for it. [TS]

01:28:31   Otherwise you're just inviting interruptions from the whole rest of the world. [TS]

01:28:35   Yeah in [TS]

01:28:36   and I'll tell you I'll tell you I mean there are fine I think I'll tell you my my super pro trick here with email you [TS]

01:28:42   know really not going to be incredibly distracting. You know you open up and you see all the stuff from other people. [TS]

01:28:49   And so in the in the mornings I try to wall off my life from external distractions as much as possible it's not perfect [TS]

01:28:57   but I try very much. [TS]

01:29:01   But of course something will often happen where you think oh I need to email this person about whatever. Yeah. [TS]

01:29:08   And so to do that you would need to open up an e-mail [TS]

01:29:11   but then if you open up your e-mail you see all the messages from other people [TS]

01:29:15   and I want to try to avoid that until I'm ready. [TS]

01:29:17   And so I use my i Pad for just just almost absolutely everything and there's a couple of ways to do this [TS]

01:29:24   but I use a program called drafts which basically allows me to send an outgoing e-mail message without ever having to [TS]

01:29:35   open up the e-mail program properly. Photo Yeah. [TS]

01:29:40   So so I can if something's on my mind before I forget it I can send it out into the world without having to actually [TS]

01:29:48   like let the whole rest of the world in [TS]

01:29:51   and I do do a similar thing on my phone my phone actually isn't even set up to get e-mail on it. [TS]

01:29:56   I don't I don't want that the temptation of being able to check my e-mail every. A single second of the day. [TS]

01:30:01   So I have a I have a kind of outgoing only e-mail account set up on there so I can send messages out. [TS]

01:30:09   But everything that comes into that account is just forwarded to my real account so I don't see people's replies [TS]

01:30:13   or anything until you know it's time for me to check e-mail at some point in the afternoon so anyway [TS]

01:30:19   and I don't have that addiction I have to just to one of people I had in the future being a robot. [TS]

01:30:30   I see I totally disagree with you here and I am not joking when I say that is a dopamine addiction like you. [TS]

01:30:37   You really train yourself in this particular way. [TS]

01:30:39   Yeah and [TS]

01:30:40   and I was aware for a while that Twitter had become that for me that I was constantly checking Twitter doing the same [TS]

01:30:48   kind of thing like Oh Twitter is closed and I'm working on something and I know hey how did Twitter get open. Yeah. [TS]

01:30:55   I do remember cooking up but obviously I did. [TS]

01:30:58   Yeah [TS]

01:30:59   but to me that's a real warning sign of of this kind of feedback loop that your brain is getting into the center recently [TS]

01:31:07   if you sound like a doctor. Done it number one and number and you are right by the way. [TS]

01:31:13   Yes you said worried about me and I don't I don't want to worry you I know [TS]

01:31:16   but I think this I think this stuff is very serious like you know me I'm very concerned about decision making [TS]

01:31:23   and thought processes in this like this is this is like the heart of my interests [TS]

01:31:27   and because I noticed that kind of behavior with myself with Twitter I have intentionally tried to cut it back to do a [TS]

01:31:35   whole bunch of little things to make Twitter less immediately accessible and to make more conscious decisions about [TS]

01:31:40   when Twitter happens but it is hard and I'm just aware that that is something you have to consciously fight [TS]

01:31:47   but it is totally favorable and I think it is it is valuable to fight that kind of impulse. [TS]

01:31:54   I'm trying to promise I'm trying and I'll keep trying. I do you. [TS]

01:32:04   On your on your email if you have it open you know you can just at the very least set in preferences so that the email [TS]

01:32:10   thing only checks every hour instead of checking every minute you know you can do that. [TS]

01:32:15   Yeah and I've turned off the little red badge now so I don't know when new ones come in. [TS]

01:32:19   Good OK At least that's a start. Start I actually have to go now because I want to check my email. [TS]

01:32:26   All right I'll let you go read the message of the super important body. By Carol. [TS]