00:00:00 ◼ ► Well I was going to amaze you and say that I have prepared notes but it's more a case of I started to prepare notes. [TS]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Yes nots has happened and I know we traditionally start with what I always accidently call feedback [TS]
00:00:20 ◼ ► but you call follow up and this is going to be a very exciting follow up because the podcast is now like public [TS]
00:00:30 ◼ ► Yes that's no longer it's no longer just you correcting yourself and flogging yourself on mistakes you've made. [TS]
00:00:43 ◼ ► but yes it is it is public it is out there which is a big relief to finally have it kind of out in the world instead of [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► So what are some of your some of your notes that let's start out with your preparations are you done. [TS]
00:00:59 ◼ ► Well I thought we might event maybe talk about some of the content of the episodes [TS]
00:01:08 ◼ ► and I guess I mean I guess a lot of it has to Spain has been really positive. It's been amazing. [TS]
00:01:25 ◼ ► Yeah there are a couple out there but there isn't a has been a criticism of me and I'd like to [TS]
00:01:33 ◼ ► Guessing at least and this was this feeling that it's basically me asking you a bunch of questions [TS]
00:02:04 ◼ ► and I discussed this before we even started the nature of whether or not you know I'm asking you questions and [TS]
00:02:13 ◼ ► and for the record I mean you've always You've always said you want to hear a lot from me you know you don't just want [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► me to ask you questions but I think it was always going to be that way this plays to our strengths. [TS]
00:02:28 ◼ ► This is this is the way we are isn't that I mean you were like a talk communicator type person [TS]
00:02:37 ◼ ► Yeah I know I am a question ask you know and I'm I'm a journalist by training so you put two of us in a room. [TS]
00:02:59 ◼ ► and part of the reason that that I wanted to work with you on this is that you think that you are the best interviewer [TS]
00:03:08 ◼ ► and for that for those of you who have ever seen Brady's You Tube videos you know he's always interviewing somebody [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► and you really work some magic with the interviews like that that is just your skill but even [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► when we're just hanging out and just talking not recording you know for just you know having a drink together [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► You're still the same way I like that that is fundamentally your personality is to ask questions and it's [TS]
00:03:41 ◼ ► when you hear you describe me as a talker because I normally think of myself as a very quiet [TS]
00:03:49 ◼ ► but I am also completely aware that I can I can get on a roll that is just a little too long [TS]
00:04:07 ◼ ► and people you're friendly with I think you know you're pretty comfortable talking [TS]
00:04:11 ◼ ► and I blossom I did I did read one comment in a review though that I did find funny where someone sort of said that [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► I think really all I see are kind of funny for another reason because you must be one of the most grounded people I [TS]
00:04:37 ◼ ► So the idea of the idea of me granting you actually made me chuckle whereas your normally sort of the calming influence [TS]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and things that say I like the idea of meeting this calming influence all of a sudden. [TS]
00:04:51 ◼ ► Anyway anyway that they were the things I had to say about the in the questioning what if you thought one of you. [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► You've been obviously raging through some of the you know early comments and feedback is anything sort of. [TS]
00:05:07 ◼ ► It's always really nerve racking when you have a new project and you want to launch it out into the world [TS]
00:05:15 ◼ ► and I have to say it has been a much more positive experience than I was expecting that we were doing really well in [TS]
00:05:26 ◼ ► and we have a ton of positive reviews on i Tunes and if you want to discuss any of these episodes in particular [TS]
00:05:33 ◼ ► or to leave a comment on one of the episodes for now we're having all of the discussion happening on my sub reddit so [TS]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Dot com slash R the letter R slash C G P Great discussion thread in there for each of the episodes that we can put up. [TS]
00:05:55 ◼ ► And if you want to leave feedback for now that is probably one of the best places to do so. I do go. [TS]
00:06:01 ◼ ► and I'm very interested to see what people what people have to say about the project so far. [TS]
00:06:06 ◼ ► You're really interactive there too I've noticed I think I think we might talk about sort of comics [TS]
00:06:11 ◼ ► but I have noticed on the separate if you're very you're very interactive it's you know with the with the people with [TS]
00:06:20 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's why the reason why I'm very happy to direct feedback because unlike You Tube unlike other places I [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► find it really manageable to try to have conversations with a larger number of people we do have it scheduled at some [TS]
00:06:35 ◼ ► point I want to talk about common systems in general so I don't want to discuss that too much right here [TS]
00:06:39 ◼ ► but the short version is that it's really easy on Reddit to get a sense of what people are saying [TS]
00:06:47 ◼ ► and interactions with a bunch of people so I think it's I think is a better place to go for now it's a good community [TS]
00:06:54 ◼ ► tell you the Reddit community like it's like you know you get you get funny stuff and you get love [TS]
00:06:59 ◼ ► and you get height but it's always quite smart and quite like the they seem like good people on Reddit [TS]
00:07:06 ◼ ► and a lot of ways they say my blessing that my kind of people when I read the comments as opposed to comments [TS]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Yeah as with absolutely everything it always depends on the section that you're going [TS]
00:07:18 ◼ ► but I would agree with you as a general statement actually that stream I read it quite narrow [TS]
00:07:23 ◼ ► and I read it in the sump and it's like I should be careful what I say. Let me ask you about something else. [TS]
00:07:34 ◼ ► Yeah the little the little that I know I know you sort of sent me a few ideas for hand [TS]
00:07:42 ◼ ► and did you think I believe what happened was I said to them you didn't like them and then I used it anyway. [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► It's I think that is actually the process that unfolded I don't like to mock what like I quite like the H.I.I. [TS]
00:07:55 ◼ ► when You've gone and I'm glad because I sometimes look at you know how when you look at something. [TS]
00:08:01 ◼ ► and I certainly see that the sort of the gray lines going up into the white block to make their the high [TS]
00:08:12 ◼ ► Yeah the border I might have to change but I listen to a lot of pod cast as a as I've mentioned before [TS]
00:08:18 ◼ ► and I'm always aware that the artwork seems to be designed for a really big screen. [TS]
00:08:25 ◼ ► But you actually look at it as like a little one centimetre by one centimetre image on your phone. [TS]
00:08:29 ◼ ► So I just I was trying to go for something that was very visually immediately recognizable [TS]
00:08:34 ◼ ► and sort of try to catch people's attention and I think I think that kind of works [TS]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and also the dark gray color was not really used by very many pod cast so I thought I'd go with that for obvious [TS]
00:08:45 ◼ ► reasons but I would say it did look good to the good when we were sort of dominating the i Tunes charts for a while [TS]
00:08:52 ◼ ► and you can just see like all the little high logos all over the place for the number one podcast in various [TS]
00:08:57 ◼ ► and I thought that it worked very well like that I thought it was really eye catching. [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► Well if anyone wants to put any comments about it I'd be really interested to read it because at the moment it's you [TS]
00:09:10 ◼ ► So I see some some feedback sorry some follow up from episode three which was the work life balance. [TS]
00:09:26 ◼ ► Yeah I don't have any reflections on any anyone said anything to you about it. Well I. [TS]
00:09:30 ◼ ► Just what I want to start off by saying it was really interesting listening to that [TS]
00:09:35 ◼ ► when I was editing the podcast for release listening to it a second time it was really clear how we each think about [TS]
00:09:45 ◼ ► Do you think it came across very much to me anyway that that you were dealing much more with with kind of work in [TS]
00:10:06 ◼ ► and I just I think it's interesting that whenever whenever we hear other You Tube You Tube [TS]
00:10:10 ◼ ► or guys get together it's it is interesting how we're all sort of doing the same thing [TS]
00:10:24 ◼ ► but I don't know how much of that might be the extent to which I was being devil's advocate at times [TS]
00:10:32 ◼ ► I don't know what to make of it I think I would just say is that I get from the Reddit thread it was it was interesting [TS]
00:10:48 ◼ ► There are definitely a lot of problems with that analysis. You might have to revisit it and refine it. [TS]
00:10:56 ◼ ► Yeah I figure you know well you know it's productivity is probably I think we're going to come back to at some point so [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► I don't know what had well on it. Yeah I'd like to say Tenet will be doing that for us. Yes. [TS]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Well I just want to say that my wife my favorite piece of feedback came from Henry. [TS]
00:11:19 ◼ ► and all it said was I think you forgot that light bulbs can be wired in parallel which is like a devastating remark to [TS]
00:11:30 ◼ ► Like yes I totally understand that this analogy does not work like a straight up I actually have a battery [TS]
00:11:36 ◼ ► and I actually consider the light of some light bulbs. Very Henri comment there isn't that right. [TS]
00:11:41 ◼ ► Yeah and a very funny thing is I'm going to just slowly embarrass him as well is later on actually just today [TS]
00:11:48 ◼ ► but it was a couple days later he wrote me a much more in-depth e-mail about how the analogy also fails because I [TS]
00:11:55 ◼ ► should really be thinking about it in terms of electromotive force and voltage and the resistance in the air. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Individual light bulbs and so he was he was really thinking that one through to its absolute conclusion [TS]
00:12:08 ◼ ► and he was doing the advanced version of what I saw many people in the in the common thread talking about which is that [TS]
00:12:15 ◼ ► there are lots of problems with that analogy and I will I will I will fully I will fully admit to some of those [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► but what if it isn't the latest Minute Physics video that just went up in the last day or two about light bulbs. [TS]
00:12:30 ◼ ► Oh I don't know how it is I think I think I don't know I think you may have inspired him I know you've been in a heap [TS]
00:12:35 ◼ ► in a cave in not looking but I think his latest video is about light bulbs. Check I could be wrong. [TS]
00:12:46 ◼ ► and taking the argument to discussing the merits of the light bulb analogy was someone who pointed out that if you [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► improve aspects of your life like a health for example that actually increases the power of emotion [TS]
00:13:00 ◼ ► and that she do other things with you have a lot dogs which is something we never discussed. [TS]
00:13:04 ◼ ► Yes Yes And I saw a couple comments like that and I totally agree with that. Well I was and. [TS]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I think there's also something to be said that that people just have kind of intrinsically more [TS]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and I think like well I do not have the same kind of wattage output that you seem to have and but [TS]
00:13:36 ◼ ► but that now the one if you can watch me work for a day you would think differently. [TS]
00:13:40 ◼ ► I'm not so sure about that but but I did I did agree with those comments right that [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► and I was sort of working towards it at the end of the podcast that at a certain level you know you can invest more [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► but I do think there are situations in which that's that's very hard to do. But yeah obviously. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► If you're if your health is at its peak you were able to accomplish much more in all of the other areas [TS]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and the reverse of course is not true as well. So yeah good Mrs C G P Great listen to the podcast. [TS]
00:14:17 ◼ ► but she has not yet listened to the third one that I want I want to listen to I know I know it's time I mentioned her [TS]
00:14:23 ◼ ► in that one and I tried to prod her a little bit but I was like you know I mentioned you in the third one [TS]
00:14:45 ◼ ► We went for a drive that by coincidence coincided with the exact length of the podcast so I said let me play this. [TS]
00:14:58 ◼ ► I think I think the only time she spoke during it was at one point admiring Mrs Gray's patience for the patient women [TS]
00:15:09 ◼ ► when you were talking about how you completely blank for three days when you're putting a video that has just happened. [TS]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Yes Yes And then And then amazingly it just finishes we got to the Kathak where we were going to which was nice timing [TS]
00:15:23 ◼ ► so we pulled up and I said tend to her and said What do you think what do you think about that. [TS]
00:15:29 ◼ ► The main thing that came across was that she said she would quite like to sit down with you [TS]
00:15:39 ◼ ► But you know because she's into all that stuff you're into a lot workflows and sleep patterns and things like that. [TS]
00:15:45 ◼ ► But fundamentally I think she she disagreed with your faces and her best argument which she didn't really make [TS]
00:15:53 ◼ ► but she didn't need to make against your argument was her herself she's just sort of fitting. [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► And we're talking here about how you can't do all four things at once right and then I kind of I look at her [TS]
00:16:06 ◼ ► and she works really hard in a really demanding job and she's like you know she's got this amazing job [TS]
00:16:14 ◼ ► and she gives so much. She always every day makes time for her friends and wrings them and talks to them. [TS]
00:16:22 ◼ ► She's a brilliant family person and talks to her mom and dad all the time and takes great care of me. [TS]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and goes to the gym all the time in a personal trainer every way you can she watches what she eats [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► and then she's just been spending an hour listening to you and I grumble about home healthy and do my job [TS]
00:16:48 ◼ ► and I think I think embodiment of the argument against. So if you know me Mrs number file is the counter argument. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► Yeah. But maybe I will try to defend myself I will go back to the some people's engines are more powerful than others. [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and she's a Rolls Royce This is I think I think that might be the conclusion that we need to come to them [TS]
00:17:22 ◼ ► So that might very well be the case but I think I think she does want to sit down and talk to a few points. [TS]
00:17:29 ◼ ► OK I tell you what most of what I was able to say three way you did that you clarified this whole infringement versus [TS]
00:17:37 ◼ ► theft thing when it comes to copyright I'm still that still bothers me a bit. That still bothers you. [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► Yeah I think you're being so you're being a bit overly cautious so it's not fair to say if I could I could not disagree [TS]
00:17:50 ◼ ► with you more at this point I fully understand that I can be overly present think about things like this [TS]
00:17:55 ◼ ► but I'm going to very strongly disagree with you there. So if someone comes into my house. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Takes my Teva a and and watches a few programs on it and then put it back later that day. Have they infringed on my T.V. [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► OK well what the person breaks into your first what they broke and entered into your house [TS]
00:18:18 ◼ ► or break anything have they just infringed into my house I don't think that's an appropriate analysis I don't think so [TS]
00:18:29 ◼ ► Well well you've already you've already said that you're not good with the analogy. [TS]
00:18:36 ◼ ► Anyway I did listen back to and I think our guy won this stealing from me. This stealing thieves I disagree I think. [TS]
00:18:45 ◼ ► I think infringement is a word that the Internet culture needs to it needs to make happen as a as a common understood [TS]
00:18:56 ◼ ► but I think infringing is like using the word infringing is like dressing something bad up to make it sound not as bad. [TS]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Why can't we give a more emotive word why do we encourage infringing is just like it's such a delicate thing like you [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► know you know Germany didn't infringe on Poland didn't like you know it like you don't you don't know [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► when they're doing a bad thing to us as if the word unfortunate his words aren't perfectly comparable [TS]
00:19:39 ◼ ► but you do also have the word piracy which is a similar kind of thing that's an emotive. I like that. [TS]
00:19:47 ◼ ► but that is usually piracy is talking about individuals making copies for themselves you know [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► That was my motive in a very cool kind of way. Right like pirates have a lot of social cache these days. [TS]
00:20:07 ◼ ► Though I'm not sure it's really dissuading the kids you know don't you know don't be an awesome cool pirate [TS]
00:20:14 ◼ ► but I'm going to I'm going to we're going to have to disagree on this I want to point I want to put the challenge out [TS]
00:20:20 ◼ ► there that I want to I want a new word to describe what you call infringing that is more a motive you know it doesn't [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► and theft which isn't his you know all right sacred anyway they will you know we'll see we'll see if people in the [TS]
00:20:40 ◼ ► So you want do you want something that just it just sounds mean I want to word to describe the the practice of other [TS]
00:20:58 ◼ ► Sorry I had to get it off my chest anymore but I think that that is the point to follow up Brady right. [TS]
00:21:03 ◼ ► There's always going to be something that's sticking in your mind and this is the this is the time to discuss it now. [TS]
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00:21:41 ◼ ► The thing that I like about this book is that Bryson is not like a professional adventurous guy he was a kind of normal [TS]
00:21:50 ◼ ► and so his experience walking along the Appalachian Trail is a lot like what I would imagine if I tried to walk along [TS]
00:22:07 ◼ ► and this friend of his cats trying to do this adventure that they are both clearly not prepared for in any way. [TS]
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00:22:17 ◼ ► A number of years ago when I actually intersecting paths with the Appalachian Trail which I decided to get out [TS]
00:22:22 ◼ ► and explore and also got briefly lost and terrified. But that's a story for another time. [TS]
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00:23:30 ◼ ► and for you crazier I think because you just got back from Vietnam did you not. I did I did. [TS]
00:23:40 ◼ ► I don't know how much you know about my my dad but he was a on a on a strike as you know [TS]
00:23:49 ◼ ► but know many people not many American people even seem to realize that a stray alien soldiers fought in the Vietnam [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► It's a sort of it was an allied force a lot of people it was really surprised and I tell them that [TS]
00:24:03 ◼ ► and my father fought in the Vietnam War So I've kind of grown up you know knowing knowing this [TS]
00:24:18 ◼ ► and travel around to some of the places where where all the stuff went down which is really interesting it's it's [TS]
00:24:24 ◼ ► especially interesting for me because there are two things about my dad that are unusual in this respect. [TS]
00:24:34 ◼ ► and the first twelve months which I think was in one nine hundred sixty eight I thank him [TS]
00:24:39 ◼ ► and then he did another eight month tour towards the end which I can't remember the year it was seventy one I come in [TS]
00:24:46 ◼ ► with terrible that that on that first tour he was a dog tracker let me he was that dog that he was a dog handler [TS]
00:24:57 ◼ ► So his war experience was quite different to a lot of other people in so far as his role was to lead this dog around [TS]
00:25:15 ◼ ► or North Vietnamese soldiers So a typical scenario would be that would be a contact it would be a battle. [TS]
00:25:22 ◼ ► And then my dad and his dog which was called Caesar would be brought in to sort of sniff [TS]
00:25:38 ◼ ► but he also had a personally very interesting experience because his relationship through the war was was more with the [TS]
00:25:45 ◼ ► dogs than with other soldiers in many ways so it was a very it was a very unusual and special relationship. [TS]
00:26:03 ◼ ► and his first one of the most successful on school track at this is about him and the dog. [TS]
00:26:12 ◼ ► but then I read this book which is just crammed with amazing stories that I didn't know. [TS]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and all the stuff that's who never seen the place up in there so that's what last week was if it was about going to [TS]
00:26:27 ◼ ► going to the site of these places and of course maybe a man died quite wanted me to I took my camera along [TS]
00:26:34 ◼ ► and he sort of retold a lot of these stories. And Mike that's a really good story teller. [TS]
00:26:42 ◼ ► and I wrote the camera I've written quickly will get around to editing them at some point we're going to see these [TS]
00:26:47 ◼ ► videos on one of your many channels at some point yeah I'll probably just put on my life on my channel called Brady [TS]
00:27:01 ◼ ► and this is like yet another channel of yours that I have never even heard of existing Well this is a channel where I [TS]
00:27:06 ◼ ► put things I haven't got a channel lyrically there are some topics that I haven't got a channel for say so I was [TS]
00:27:13 ◼ ► surprised that you don't have a dedicated Vietnam war chant for example that's not a bad idea actually maybe I like now [TS]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Anyway as you know by the by I mean for me it wasn't so much about making videos it was about you know spending some [TS]
00:27:29 ◼ ► time with your dad and hearing it on with my day and it's always good to put you know to visit places [TS]
00:27:37 ◼ ► and really it gives you a different understanding of stuff whether it's something intense like the Vietnam War [TS]
00:27:42 ◼ ► or going to the Eiffel Tower you know when you visit the real place you kind of can take on. [TS]
00:27:47 ◼ ► Now I understand the geography and yet so is fundamentally different to matter how much you hear about a place [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► Yeah there's a much more human experience to be there and to and to stand in the in the. [TS]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Place where something actually happened. Yeah exactly. So anyway that was that's kind of crazy but it was good fun. [TS]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Yeah you described we wouldn't finish the series if I got some malaria or something right here. [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► Yeah that is true and I was I was nervous when you tweeted that menu that had intestines [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and a bunch of other terrifying foods on it. Yes and I thought if I don't make them on it didn't. [TS]
00:28:24 ◼ ► Yeah that's what it was it was it was rectum and I was thinking these Brady do not become terribly sick [TS]
00:28:31 ◼ ► or die on this trip and I've never ate so much squid in all my life that I love this clip there. [TS]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Oh yeah the thing that was really interesting that I was that it was it was really interesting to go to a place in that [TS]
00:28:50 ◼ ► kind of military tourism context where I deny for lack of a better term you're on the losing side. [TS]
00:29:01 ◼ ► I mean I'm in I'm in the US and Australia is in the allies withdrew from Vietnam in the North Vietnamese came down [TS]
00:29:07 ◼ ► and and took took the country so to speak and you know it's now describe this country that is this communist country [TS]
00:29:30 ◼ ► Places where terrible things happen to ultimately you know in a victorious context I'm right [TS]
00:29:43 ◼ ► when you're doing that like the war monuments that we know and a strain on American would tend to go to or are there. [TS]
00:29:52 ◼ ► There are monuments of triumph and doing a tour where that was not the case is a different experience. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Yeah I was also arranged in going to the Vietnamese museum about a penny you know. [TS]
00:30:10 ◼ ► and in a podcast that's more about I dunno what's podcasters about this probably not about war stories. [TS]
00:30:22 ◼ ► and I did make videos there so it is about it is about filmmaking I tell you what from a filmmaker perspective it's [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► but also just because there's a different dynamic coming up you know when I'm interviewing someone [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► The video is them but I can take control to an extent and guide them with the questioning [TS]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and if they've got a certain point they want to make or a way they want to tell the story [TS]
00:30:56 ◼ ► I can either delicately Shepparton with my questions or I can I can be more frank and slap them around the years [TS]
00:31:05 ◼ ► But my dad obviously had you know stories he wanted to tell in ways he wanted to tell them [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and all the different techniques I know Billy you on on people to get what I want just didn't work it was like he says [TS]
00:31:25 ◼ ► Now they had enough it was that I felt like I felt like there was kryptonite in the air in terms of my ability to steer [TS]
00:31:43 ◼ ► Yeah I guess you were not in a position of authority when it is your father on the other end of the camera right. [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and they are as I mean I don't have that kind of relationship with my dad but yeah that was just something different. [TS]
00:32:06 ◼ ► Cracks on with his stories but you know maybe that's maybe maybe he didn't feel sufficiently intimidated [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► or respectful of me as the as the filmmaker was everyone else at least has that modicum of respect for me whereas I was [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and you know I stopped the camera cut the Tom said not listening to me you have to answer this question was likened to [TS]
00:32:40 ◼ ► So he still told the story well but it was a really interesting interesting thing as a filmmaker for me well how [TS]
00:32:51 ◼ ► Long time it could be a while because I'm actually jumping on another plane now and I'm going away for a month [TS]
00:32:56 ◼ ► and I don't know if I'm going to be able to edit them on the road so it could be a wild eyed launched at him saying [TS]
00:33:03 ◼ ► well when it whenever you get around to them mention it again we'll put them in the description for the podcast. [TS]
00:33:10 ◼ ► Yeah I think today will have a description for you or will have a link to your dad's book. [TS]
00:33:15 ◼ ► People want Yeah yeah it is it is actually you know it is a really good book actually and I'm not [TS]
00:33:20 ◼ ► and I mean his other ones are not so much into it because there are others out just the one about him I really enjoyed [TS]
00:33:26 ◼ ► anyway. So put it in people can check it out if they want to thank you thank you for that. [TS]
00:33:39 ◼ ► As always I felt like my whole life just narrows down the oh production in the in the first four [TS]
00:33:45 ◼ ► or five days before it actually goes live and just everything everything gets postponed [TS]
00:33:51 ◼ ► and so there's there is this cycle in my life where I use this this program called Omni Focus to track all of my trip. [TS]
00:34:05 ◼ ► I start delaying everything in my little program to like after when I think it's going to come out [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► and so I'm working on the video when stuff comes up in my program and I delay delay delay delay delay [TS]
00:34:16 ◼ ► and then if I'm experiencing right now and what I was doing before I was I was talking to you [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► and suddenly there's just this monster has a number of things to do after the video comes out [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and so I'm just I'm sort of overwhelmed with just of a very large number of things but. [TS]
00:34:36 ◼ ► and it was goodbye jury nullification alotta Yeah yeah it's well I have to say it's it is done successfully. [TS]
00:34:45 ◼ ► And let me open up right now and it was one point two million last time I looked at. [TS]
00:34:51 ◼ ► Yeah that's a someone's check so I have nothing to see there isn't that's just my hello I'm not going to say so [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► actually as you might not be surprised I have an objective measure about the success of the videos that I used to deem [TS]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and take whatever my subscriber number at the time of release is as a starting point so let's just make the numbers [TS]
00:35:24 ◼ ► and if I have a video that gets less than a third of that number in a week I would consider that to be just like a [TS]
00:35:35 ◼ ► If it's more than a third to sort of equal to the number of subscribers I consider that to be kind of satisfactory [TS]
00:35:43 ◼ ► and anything that gets more than the total number of subscribers that to me is like a very successful video because [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► and it's like it's going to more people then have signed up to get my videos that that's. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► No it's for me the real crossing point is like Ken the video get more views then subscribers that I have within a week [TS]
00:36:11 ◼ ► and it is just under the number of subscribers that I have now so I think this one will will limp across that threshold [TS]
00:36:18 ◼ ► probably before the week because out of this to come up with a couple of your videos likely actually that the talk [TS]
00:36:33 ◼ ► or is this a deliberate a deliberate thing we're seeing now they're more like notice about you know I'd like to low you [TS]
00:36:41 ◼ ► and OK so I'm fine that you picked up on that because if the answer is it is partly just a coincidence. [TS]
00:36:49 ◼ ► The previous leader that I did on the CBOE effect the opposite opposite of the placebo effect. [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► I have a demonstration in the beginning that just does not work if you know what the video is going into it so I have [TS]
00:37:03 ◼ ► to not say the name of the thing in the in the title. In that case with this one it is a much more T.V. [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► Title with a lot you won't be told and that is only half a coincidence but I came across a camera exactly where. [TS]
00:37:26 ◼ ► and they were basically saying that T Z kind of titles have surprisingly large click through rates for what you might [TS]
00:37:36 ◼ ► And so I thought well let me just let me just try something that's a little bit different I don't think I will normally [TS]
00:37:40 ◼ ► do it I just happen to have two topics that it works very well with and so I don't mind having that back to back [TS]
00:37:48 ◼ ► but I do I am a fan of the straightforward title. Also because the partly does a lot of introduction for you. [TS]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Like I don't necessarily have to set up as much. Yeah if the title just straight up says. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Here is what we're going to talk about it is just a bit of a bit of a coincidence although I will say just as a person [TS]
00:38:11 ◼ ► or somewhere I mentioned how I probably will not do a medical topic for a while because that put me under a lot of [TS]
00:38:20 ◼ ► I am going to add a lot to the whole I'm not cover any time soon again if I can possibly avoid it. [TS]
00:38:37 ◼ ► Talking about analogies I tend to think of the law as a kind of computer code for human society. [TS]
00:38:46 ◼ ► We hear all these rules and we formalize these rules about what should happen under what circumstances [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and here he's all the exceptions for the consequences of the laws the rule didn't work out in a particular way. [TS]
00:39:07 ◼ ► and I know through him just how much of the law depends on interpretations of what happens in the courtroom. [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► And it's so much more situational and like it depends then you think of the law as being you know really clear. [TS]
00:39:31 ◼ ► And so I cannot tell you how many rounds the script went through where I had very definitive statements that kept [TS]
00:39:44 ◼ ► and changed changed a lot so I hope I will not do a lot topic again if I can possibly avoid it partly because of that [TS]
00:40:03 ◼ ► but that like there's there's always going to be a really long list of exceptions. [TS]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Never mind the fact that in America the rules are different in all fifty states for how things are handled. [TS]
00:40:13 ◼ ► So I was I was trying to talk about them like the most general possible case but yes it was stressful. [TS]
00:40:22 ◼ ► Do not expect a lot topic anytime soon people they have even been to which I have never been to a trial in person [TS]
00:40:30 ◼ ► though. You got to tell you one day we must do an episode. Notation could stories not trials up into. [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► That's only let let me let me do a clever clever segue here which will both follow on from what we're talking about. [TS]
00:40:51 ◼ ► and lead to something I want to discuss that trick of hat trick a segue speaking of click Baity touch was a video is [TS]
00:41:08 ◼ ► And it is about something that you and I went to see of course a couple of weeks ago [TS]
00:41:19 ◼ ► and I went to the Royal Society in London which is somewhere I've been wanting to take you for ages [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► We finally had the chance to go there and I didn't want you to do the the typical two [TS]
00:41:37 ◼ ► I deliberately haven't asked too much about your impression of the visit because I wanted to ask you here on the [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► What did you think I thought it was great it was it was great to visit so I think first why don't you do your better at [TS]
00:41:53 ◼ ► Why did you give a quick summary for people who don't know like what is the Royal Society the Royal Society. [TS]
00:42:04 ◼ ► and it was set up by Charles the Second I think I think he was the king was one of these one of these kings that sounds [TS]
00:42:15 ◼ ► when science was in its infancy it was kind of a club and I've been going ever since. [TS]
00:42:21 ◼ ► And basically they they Alecto decide to make people fellows of the society and join the club [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► and it's been going on for you know three hundred fifty years or something like that. [TS]
00:42:36 ◼ ► And basically every year and you intake of ten or twenty people joins this club the scientists still going today [TS]
00:42:45 ◼ ► and it's just got all this history that they've also been involved in you know publications they have their own journal [TS]
00:42:52 ◼ ► and they have meetings and they have all these other functions it's not just a place where they go [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► and have a cuppa tea smoke a pipe but I should let him out longer anyway. I mean there are more English fans anyway so. [TS]
00:43:17 ◼ ► You know all those all those guys Hawken Boyle back then all the way through to your modern greats you know Einstein [TS]
00:43:24 ◼ ► was a was a fellow it was bore all the way through to Peter Higgs and people like that today. [TS]
00:43:31 ◼ ► Watson and Crick there oh that will be part of this club so it's got this incredible history. [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► The thing about the autograph book is of course anyone whose sons he becomes a fellow they all signed the same book [TS]
00:43:45 ◼ ► So that's why I call it the world's greatest autograph book because everyone from Isaac Newton through to owe your [TS]
00:43:55 ◼ ► Yes And of course any king or queen that comes to the throne is automatically the picture. It's a role society. [TS]
00:44:01 ◼ ► Every famous Royal has signed as well as this amazing document anyway because of this history [TS]
00:44:12 ◼ ► Their interactions are OK and all their papers and artifacts are kept there in these votes. [TS]
00:44:18 ◼ ► It's this real treasure trove of material as well and I know you love old stuff and I know you love source documents [TS]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and things like that you know you don't you know what you don't want any secondary sources [TS]
00:44:33 ◼ ► So I thought I'm going to get gray in there to say stuff because I know you like hanging out libraries [TS]
00:44:38 ◼ ► and stuff as well. Yeah no we finally went there and I thought it was going to blow your mind. [TS]
00:44:50 ◼ ► Q What do you think use kind of oh no I think I really liked it I thought it was it was really interesting to see. [TS]
00:44:57 ◼ ► So yeah when we when we went on a tour we got to go downstairs into the vault blow [TS]
00:45:09 ◼ ► and it's almost hard to describe because it was such a great variety of things down there [TS]
00:45:19 ◼ ► and it would just have the original written letters from all of these famous scientists write to the Royal Society [TS]
00:45:26 ◼ ► or from explorers who were writing in about you know what they were seeing in new places [TS]
00:45:33 ◼ ► and it was almost just very overwhelming in the amount of stuff that is what I had written to. [TS]
00:45:39 ◼ ► Yeah that yeah that was that that was the thing is like a letter from Isaac Newton what's he got to say from I mean you [TS]
00:45:55 ◼ ► He was he was nice enough to give us a tour I kept saying to him like it makes me nervous like looking at all. [TS]
00:46:06 ◼ ► So the clay I guess it was I'm not sure what the material was that they put over his face after he died you know to get [TS]
00:46:12 ◼ ► a print of his face just like there on the shelf you know waiting to be knocked over by you know some clumsy idiot like [TS]
00:46:20 ◼ ► me because he's wandering around and not paying attention to tell you a quick interjection here. [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► He spoke briefly but he doesn't want to come down as he normally is that God has to handle that mask [TS]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and he has a recurring nightmare the time that he drops that mask and it shatters like a haunt him. [TS]
00:46:42 ◼ ► Yeah and every time I ask him to pick it up like he he goes a little bit why didn't it was me you know about my dreams. [TS]
00:46:50 ◼ ► Yes that was that was one of my prevailing feelings there was just like worry for all of these objects [TS]
00:46:58 ◼ ► and we did we were talking about how you know some of the stuff like that mask has been digitized [TS]
00:47:09 ◼ ► and documents that they don't have any other copies except the ones that are in that vault and that's it. [TS]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and you know one of the examples that was given is is like you don't know necessarily how this stuff is going to be [TS]
00:47:29 ◼ ► And the example that was mentioned was talking about the have you know all these records of of the weather you know [TS]
00:47:34 ◼ ► coming back for hundreds of years just sounds like the most boring thing in the whole wide world right until you know [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► that stuff starts to matter when people are doing research for the global weather system. [TS]
00:47:48 ◼ ► and you can see levels from Australia from you know I mean hundreds Yeah all of the stuff that just seems just so [TS]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and it had collections of drawings of a volcano that some member of the Royal Society had paid a monk to try it was [TS]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Yes And one of the members had paid this month you know in the days before photography to go outside every day [TS]
00:48:23 ◼ ► and gets what the what not pursue peace look like what the volcano looks like in a plume of smoke. [TS]
00:48:29 ◼ ► Yeah engine shape and things and handed to him the way it was it was like the seven hundred version of a web cam. [TS]
00:48:35 ◼ ► Yeah right where the webcam takes a picture every thirty minutes but it can have a webcam you just have a monk [TS]
00:48:41 ◼ ► and you pay him some money and he sends you a sketch every day and that was just you know collected in this book. [TS]
00:48:57 ◼ ► when we were down there because I just level that out stuff and as the romance of that you [TS]
00:49:02 ◼ ► and Angela who are both much more kind of digital people all you could think about was Has this been scandal. [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► Could this be preserved electronically and whereas I was like oh that's touch this [TS]
00:49:14 ◼ ► or doesn't this metaphor that it is true that is true you had your hands all over everything [TS]
00:49:19 ◼ ► and I was surprised to know that it is OK to handle these materials just like with your gross monkey hands like with [TS]
00:49:32 ◼ ► and it all not to worry you know you pick up these these letters from Robert Hooke that's totally fine don't worry [TS]
00:49:37 ◼ ► and the originals we don't have any extra copy but we're going to let you to touch them [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► Yeah because because if you gloves you kind of lose that dexterity and touching him or like you know something [TS]
00:49:53 ◼ ► or something you want to be more like a dowager which is also which is surprising. And another example of how. [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► In movies are not accurate representations of real life the one thing that was a very almost overwhelming moment was [TS]
00:50:08 ◼ ► being able to see the kind of original edition of Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica. [TS]
00:50:15 ◼ ► You know the book the book that is basically the founding stone of much of modern physics. [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► And that was that was really amazing to be able to see and to be able to actually hold in my hands [TS]
00:50:30 ◼ ► and I made you take a picture of that and I knew I knew you liked that when you asked for a photo. Yeah. [TS]
00:50:34 ◼ ► And honestly it was only because I saw you going around touching absolutely everything and handling stuff [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► That I had I had the bravery to ask if I could hold that book and I could not believe it [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► when I said yes you can you can hold it because to be clear Isaac Newton's seminal work [TS]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and that copy it wasn't just a first edition that was his hand written copy in big sections with notes to the printer. [TS]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Yeah so it's like that you know he actually sleeved over that book for who knows how long [TS]
00:51:17 ◼ ► and that was the copy that got sent off to the printer you know to make the first edition so it's almost like the [TS]
00:51:22 ◼ ► zeroeth edition of that book is pretty much my own so that I have to say that was that was an amazing moment. [TS]
00:51:28 ◼ ► But my hope was that you know that you would say oh I could make a few videos here using all the source material [TS]
00:51:35 ◼ ► or I want to see some great videos you know using using all these old documents from hundreds of years ago with some [TS]
00:51:48 ◼ ► Yeah I've got to say it's been it's been running in the back of my mind how to take advantage of that. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► I'm really glad to know that resource is there it's you know it's amazing to be able to see the original original stuff [TS]
00:52:05 ◼ ► but it's also often it's you just you come across strange surprises when you're dealing with original materials [TS]
00:52:32 ◼ ► and by the way people if you haven't read The Hobbit yet spoiler warning coming up here so you should pause your [TS]
00:52:37 ◼ ► podcast now I have my headphones off because I haven't read the whole you haven't read The Hobbit Are you kidding me. [TS]
00:52:43 ◼ ► Yeah I haven't read the whole book. Are you serious. I haven't read Lord of the Rings either. Well I think less of me. [TS]
00:52:53 ◼ ► I don't it's not that I think less of you I'm just I'm so honestly surprised that you have not read it. [TS]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and so now you're just going to have to listen to this anyway because you know this is what we're doing now. [TS]
00:53:10 ◼ ► So I figured I'll start the beginning or read The Hobbit and reading The Hobbit and I had read it once as a kid [TS]
00:53:15 ◼ ► and I'm going through the book Everything is totally normal until the pivotal scene between Bilbo and Gollum [TS]
00:53:28 ◼ ► He sort of steals the ring from Gollum and you know makes his way out of the underneath this mountain and escapes. [TS]
00:53:36 ◼ ► I did see that in the film I have seen the first film. Yeah so there's like a fight right there. Yeah. [TS]
00:53:43 ◼ ► Well there's a there's a preceding thing about it but there is a like a skirmish over the ring. [TS]
00:53:53 ◼ ► and then in the book that I'm reading I was I was completely blown away because Gollum just hands over the ring. [TS]
00:54:02 ◼ ► None of this skirmish nonsense just basically straight up gives it to Bilbo and Bilbo walks away [TS]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and I was so incredibly confused until I realized that my library actually had a first edition of The Hobbit [TS]
00:54:16 ◼ ► and it turns out that this is a change in later editions of The Hobbit. So in fiction this is called a retcon. [TS]
00:54:26 ◼ ► and changes something in the earlier material like a director's cap yet to make it match later on with with the [TS]
00:54:33 ◼ ► following stuff. And so this is this was a case of the first the very first edition of The Hobbit. [TS]
00:54:39 ◼ ► There is not this this epic struggle over the ring and in later editions there is and talking went back [TS]
00:54:45 ◼ ► and changed it because he realized that it just didn't make any sense given the books that he was writing in the future. [TS]
00:55:03 ◼ ► You know like I would never have discovered as if it just wasn't just for a total just a total accident. [TS]
00:55:16 ◼ ► Well valuable that book if it was some First Edition sitting in your local library it's one of the things I've wondered [TS]
00:55:21 ◼ ► about later on like did they not realize that this was a first edition because I'm a member of a library that has a [TS]
00:55:31 ◼ ► You know you can't you can't directly action as far as that bad boy not returned and take a hit on the fire. [TS]
00:55:37 ◼ ► I should have if I was looking at there I think I was really just more confused about the inconsistency in the story. [TS]
00:55:50 ◼ ► when I come across something where I want I want to be able to see the original written stuff like that have a couple [TS]
00:55:56 ◼ ► things in mind I don't want to say anything in particular that I know that it was. [TS]
00:56:00 ◼ ► I have to say it was a it was a great trip and I'm really glad that that you were able to bring me down there [TS]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and to sort of get access to this because your whole person I should say by the way as well like you know by way of [TS]
00:56:12 ◼ ► thanks to the to live because the Law Society anyone can go there anyone can go there [TS]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and look at any materials I mean no Anyone can go down to the vault. But anything from the vault can be brought up to. [TS]
00:56:37 ◼ ► They'll bring it up to you though showing that they're all they want they want people to go there [TS]
00:56:42 ◼ ► and use this resource you know they want this stuff out there so if if you're ever in London or you're from London [TS]
00:56:49 ◼ ► and you want to go see this stuff it's not some exclusive club. Anyone can have a look. [TS]
00:56:54 ◼ ► and the library is really worth seeing as well you just it's a it's a beautiful room where they'll bring you all the [TS]
00:57:06 ◼ ► Do you know what we were going to talk about some stuff today we prepared a topic and we're going to do it. [TS]
00:57:14 ◼ ► We've been going out nearly an hour I think that I'm totally up for doing something that is an actual topic [TS]
00:57:20 ◼ ► Let's turn them in the first couple of podcasting are going to allow for this no rows about this is that no this is the [TS]
00:57:27 ◼ ► Internet stuff you know as long or as short as you want to be there is absolutely no limits on that [TS]
00:57:33 ◼ ► and some of the pod cast you've been putting me on tape because I wasn't as much of a podcast junkie as you so I've [TS]
00:57:40 ◼ ► just been listening to once you tell me to listen to what you typically go for like two hours. [TS]
00:57:49 ◼ ► but sadly defunct now podcast hypercritical was legendary for coins like they have shows I'm pretty sure they had shows [TS]
00:58:05 ◼ ► I tell you I tell you what we have to be in a future episode do a podcast about pod cast because there's a few things I [TS]
00:58:12 ◼ ► want to discuss with you especially about the podcast you put me on to because I've been listening to them a lot [TS]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and I've got lots of questions and comments and I want to I want to do more about it but that's not what today is. [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► No that's not that's not exactly for today we will we're going to talk about feedback because I think I think the rough [TS]
00:58:38 ◼ ► Yeah I think I I suspect this is going to be a relatively short topic which is why I don't mind doing it now [TS]
00:58:45 ◼ ► but I was just thinking about it earlier and I think my note says feedback on feedback [TS]
00:58:59 ◼ ► but I was thinking about is how you know we're in this we're in this amazing world with the Internet you know [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► and anybody can comment on it if they want you know like an anybody can make a You Tube video tomorrow [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and I think it's it's a very weird situation to have feedback from people that you don't know. [TS]
00:59:28 ◼ ► And how as the creator of some things you actually interpret that feedback I think is that there's a lot of of [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► weirdness that happens here. I don't know because I'm kind of I don't actually know. [TS]
00:59:48 ◼ ► I mean you're so busy making videos you probably don't have time to actually you know especially especially on a new [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I sort of talk to you a bit about some of Mark some of the things I've been doing lately [TS]
01:00:03 ◼ ► but in general terms I would say I look at the viewer comments on the video for the first day or two days [TS]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and then that starts to subside then because because I do a video almost every day or every two days [TS]
01:00:24 ◼ ► and you know now I have a couple of thousand videos I don't go back and read all the feedback on all of them. [TS]
01:00:33 ◼ ► when you getting the most comics anyway I am quiet I am very much across what's being said. [TS]
01:00:44 ◼ ► Yeah well I know obviously e have comments on the video and then you also run your You'll read some credits. [TS]
01:01:00 ◼ ► or some of the changes that they made I don't really like that format so we won't even look at all the work of just you [TS]
01:01:05 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I know you know we're talking twenty fourteen in a couple months ago You Tube changed the way their comment [TS]
01:01:15 ◼ ► system works. Yes they did and I was never a huge fan of the current system before. [TS]
01:01:28 ◼ ► But for me for various reasons I just find it not really workable. And so I would say it's worse. Yeah yeah yeah. [TS]
01:01:47 ◼ ► and I look entirely at the Reddit comments and that's that's what I'm interested in and why. [TS]
01:01:53 ◼ ► Why do you look at the comments what do you what do you what are you looking for in them. Well it's. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Interesting to me so I have it again on Reddit I have a section where I can post the videos [TS]
01:02:09 ◼ ► When the video gets posted in other sections so people who don't necessarily subscribe to me on You Tube who have never [TS]
01:02:15 ◼ ► seen one of my videos before they will comment on a video and that can be interesting to read [TS]
01:02:23 ◼ ► and see like someone who's not familiar with my video style. Yeah you know what. What might they say. [TS]
01:02:31 ◼ ► But what I was one of the reasons why I think the feedback on feedback thing is is interesting because it it changes at [TS]
01:02:38 ◼ ► different scales. When someone starting out when they're making things for the first time on the Internet. [TS]
01:02:51 ◼ ► Now you know people people can just be total jerks on the Internet there's no denying that. [TS]
01:02:59 ◼ ► But it is it's difficult in real life to ever get genuine honest feedback from people you know in your life. [TS]
01:03:16 ◼ ► and because you have social obligations to the people in those groups it's hard to get one hundred percent honest [TS]
01:03:27 ◼ ► or has some random person who's seen whatever you've made on the Internet and who has no connection to you [TS]
01:03:39 ◼ ► You know they they have permission to just be really straightforward in their feedback [TS]
01:03:50 ◼ ► And I think if if you're paying attention to that kind of feedback in the right sort of way especially in the beginning [TS]
01:03:58 ◼ ► you can really try it. Two direct whatever it is you're making in a more positive way. [TS]
01:04:05 ◼ ► But how much should you allow yourself to be guided by faith that I mean it's the politically correct thing to say is I [TS]
01:04:15 ◼ ► look at the sate back and my audience is really important and I want to make what they want and I will shape [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► and tailor what I do to them and you know I take all their opinions on board because they're really valuable to me [TS]
01:04:33 ◼ ► and only a fool will completely ignore feedback on what the audience is saying because we do this for the audience you [TS]
01:04:50 ◼ ► and your vision Otherwise you just become some diluted you know designed by committee. Piece of generic rubbish. [TS]
01:05:07 ◼ ► The number follow videos I make which of these mathematics videos often we need to write on something [TS]
01:05:13 ◼ ► and for various reasons which I've outlined in a blog. Great a trial and it was very much thought out. [TS]
01:05:19 ◼ ► I have people write on these pieces of brown paper with America now with the first three [TS]
01:05:26 ◼ ► or four number fall videos went up they had they had a quite large audience from the start because I already had an [TS]
01:05:32 ◼ ► audience from other channels so I was getting a lot of faith that crop from the stuff [TS]
01:05:36 ◼ ► and overwhelmingly like you wouldn't believe all the feedback was negative about the brown paper. [TS]
01:05:47 ◼ ► BLOCK And trust me that was what all the comments were about and it was very strong [TS]
01:05:53 ◼ ► but I really believed in using this brown paper I got such a trademark of yours now I did not imagine the number of [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Exactly and I feel really strongly about it for various reasons that it was a good idea and it would work [TS]
01:06:05 ◼ ► and there are just two people that don't like it but they're very much in the minority now [TS]
01:06:09 ◼ ► and I rarely hear anything about it but there are lots of people who really really love it. [TS]
01:06:26 ◼ ► Definitely but I was not I think I think I'm right here and I think if you are starting out [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► and you know I think I think you've got a you could look at it and take what you want from that. [TS]
01:07:00 ◼ ► But I agree that you're kind of foolish to not pay attention to it particularly in the beginning [TS]
01:07:07 ◼ ► but I think that the brown paper one is a good example because there are there are things that you have to consider as [TS]
01:07:27 ◼ ► or you wanted something that you're dealing with an abstract channel so that people were writing on a thing [TS]
01:07:34 ◼ ► and you could see them doing it I mean was there some part of that that that's I mean there are probably six [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► I want it to be sort of yeah something tactile and physical and topics that are here. Yes anything. [TS]
01:07:48 ◼ ► Yeah there's definitely considerations that you have to have as as the maker of the thing that are not obvious to the [TS]
01:08:10 ◼ ► And it's funny because it was not something I was aware of when I made the first couple videos. [TS]
01:08:16 ◼ ► The very first one was done just by talking straight into the laptop microphone which I just unbelievable to me today. [TS]
01:08:24 ◼ ► But the comments about the audio quality were something that made me realize like I need to put some time [TS]
01:08:31 ◼ ► and thought into this if I'm going to make more of these. And so it's like I just bought a cheap U.S.B. [TS]
01:08:47 ◼ ► Or yeah feedback on people's delivery so you know if you're doing something like we're doing [TS]
01:08:52 ◼ ► and you're making an explanation video you want to see how many people seem confused by this in the comments. [TS]
01:09:08 ◼ ► but I think on the flip side of it as well what's really useful when you're starting out is like positive comments. [TS]
01:09:21 ◼ ► And if you're getting just no positive feedback at all like that that's a that's a kind of feedback as well like you [TS]
01:09:37 ◼ ► But what I think is this is this is a comment that was made by Derek of Veritasium who might be listening right now I [TS]
01:09:47 ◼ ► don't work if you are listening to Derek I hope you. What are you wearing this touching. [TS]
01:09:55 ◼ ► He probably is wearing his tight jeans. For those of those of you who haven't seen the. He's very pretty. [TS]
01:10:02 ◼ ► Definitely the prettiest of the educational You Tubers I think but he always wears low and he always with a T. [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► Shirt of your channel when he meets you which is a class act but I met him for like a coffee [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► when he meets you you can at least see that's that's attention to data and that's why he's a successful guy. Exactly. [TS]
01:10:32 ◼ ► when we were talking once about how the value of positive feedback goes to zero as you are more and more successful. [TS]
01:10:46 ◼ ► and I was like man I could not agree with him more strongly when he mentioned that to me. [TS]
01:10:50 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it doesn't mean I want no I want you know who want to start leaving positive feedback [TS]
01:10:59 ◼ ► You know after a while in terms of you know people watching are watching because they like what you're doing. [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► Yes And it's it's very interesting it just it just as a little bit of a phenomenon that you have if you get just like [TS]
01:11:21 ◼ ► They're not necessarily valuable right these are these are like in aggregate right individually they are [TS]
01:11:27 ◼ ► but what can you draw from that is very hard to say. Like there's not necessarily anything actionable in that. [TS]
01:11:34 ◼ ► Right whereas negative comments may still contain information for something that you can change [TS]
01:11:44 ◼ ► And also the thing is that you know negative comments are the ones that just really stick with you sometimes you know [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► but there was a little web comic that I saw once where it showed like a guy at work [TS]
01:12:07 ◼ ► and he's surrounded by all these little speech bubbles of people saying really nice things about him this twenty nice [TS]
01:12:11 ◼ ► things and there's one negative thing and then the second panel is him after work at dinnertime [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► and the one negative comment is still crystal clear but all the positive ones are sort of faded away slightly [TS]
01:12:23 ◼ ► and then the final panel is him you know it's at nighttime when he can't get to sleep [TS]
01:12:27 ◼ ► and the only thing that remains is that negative comment and all the positive ones are sort of disappeared [TS]
01:12:33 ◼ ► and I think that that's partly like what ISN'T was engaged in a statement like positive feedback trends to zero that [TS]
01:12:39 ◼ ► like the negative stuff really sticks with you especially if it if it has some kernel of truth [TS]
01:12:44 ◼ ► and you know that can be can be very very hard to deal with sometimes. Have you ever had a negative comment. [TS]
01:12:55 ◼ ► People Yeah I mean people can people can leave comments that really do kind of stick with you [TS]
01:13:03 ◼ ► but I thought what she would want and I asked a person a question and I also don't want to encourage people to go [TS]
01:13:12 ◼ ► but yeah what sort of area of criticism will stick with the more than others will say you know I don't like the sound [TS]
01:13:34 ◼ ► when I'm away like if it's on a section on Reddit for example where people don't know who I am. [TS]
01:13:41 ◼ ► I would say that the one that I'm OK talking about that I see the most is people will say that I found really [TS]
01:13:50 ◼ ► and that that always gets me because like why am I like my whole point is to not be condescending I come. [TS]
01:14:04 ◼ ► and I want to I want to try to be friendly about that and that is something that I do think about [TS]
01:14:10 ◼ ► when I'm recording the actual audio for the video is to try to get takes where I'm not I'm not like being an authority [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► talking down to a person especially because very often like I knew almost nothing about this topic five weeks earlier [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► but I'm very sensitive to coming off as condescending to people who might not have watched a whole bunch of my videos. [TS]
01:14:39 ◼ ► So that's a kind of negative comment that I do you see repeatedly that I'm aware of it kind of sticks with me [TS]
01:14:50 ◼ ► I mean you're always going to have that problem because if you tell people a lot of clever information that they didn't [TS]
01:15:09 ◼ ► and that immediately puts you in a position where people will feel that you're being condescending. [TS]
01:15:24 ◼ ► and I happen to know all the answers like well OK then I will be up some people I think now [TS]
01:15:29 ◼ ► and feel really negatively towards them. I mean yeah sorry I just happen to know the answers and I said to him quickly. [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► but it is something I'm very sensitive towards about yet thinking of ways to minimize that in the videos in various [TS]
01:16:03 ◼ ► and they Frank for for those who may not be aware is sort of the the father of the modern Internet blog. [TS]
01:16:12 ◼ ► You know the the scene a video where there's a person's face talking at a camera very quickly [TS]
01:16:16 ◼ ► and they do jump cuts like they Frank was the guy who started that back in the day he sort of I think the green brother [TS]
01:16:24 ◼ ► Yeah yeah he used to do this amazing thing called the show which is so old now in internet terms [TS]
01:16:31 ◼ ► but it was just amazing and then he disappeared mysteriously for a number of years [TS]
01:16:39 ◼ ► but he did a video which I'll try to find for the description where he was talking about comments on videos on You Tube [TS]
01:16:47 ◼ ► and he made an excellent point which I thought was it was interesting which is that of course the only people who [TS]
01:16:53 ◼ ► comment are the people who have a strong reaction to the video or whatever it is you've made. [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► but it's an interesting point that feedback on anything that you put on the Internet is is going to be intrinsically [TS]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and I think this is you can also see this just in in any kind of Web site that has a five star rankings where almost [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and there's almost no three star reviews because who is the person leaving the three star review. [TS]
01:17:54 ◼ ► Yeah and I like you know I kind of liked it and I didn't like the change in life for that. There are a lot yeah. [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► but I think I'll spend twenty minutes writing a review of this thing that's kind of like whatever nobody does that [TS]
01:18:10 ◼ ► nobody at those I think this is interesting to keep in mind whenever you're looking over feedback of anything that you [TS]
01:18:16 ◼ ► thought that means that's interesting you should bring that up I mean I guess there is there is one respect where I [TS]
01:18:24 ◼ ► I hadn't thought of this before actually but there is a respect in which I have to follow a feedback [TS]
01:18:34 ◼ ► and that is the respect in which most of my videos have a third party in them who is often someone maybe not used to [TS]
01:18:46 ◼ ► Yes And of course they read the same back and I I then have to cancel them in some way. [TS]
01:18:53 ◼ ► Yes So that that whole thing about you know the silent majority is something I'm always forced to bring up with people [TS]
01:19:07 ◼ ► and withstand that speech bubble for days I have to tell them you know a million people have watched this video. [TS]
01:19:16 ◼ ► You know some of them didn't like it but yeah that's that's like twenty people out of a million [TS]
01:19:25 ◼ ► but in general that that is the biggest problem of comments from a liberal is that is those third parties who are [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► honest and who are always almost volunteers and not the sort of people that put themselves out there for criticism. [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► They're doing me a favor they're doing the viewers a favor by lending their expertise and knowledge [TS]
01:19:52 ◼ ► and you know I can accept I can accept that myself if someone wants to say that I'm a terrible filmmaker [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► This sort of rubbish I have to accept that I know if I've chosen I've chosen this world [TS]
01:20:06 ◼ ► but these other people I don't think I've chosen to the same degree and I feel quite protective of them. [TS]
01:20:12 ◼ ► Yeah and it's it has just very recently reached a tipping point for me when I'm no I'm no longer willing to accept it. [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► and a few other things that have been going on like it's just become it's become very vicious towards these volunteers [TS]
01:20:35 ◼ ► and you know so you know I can accept if someone says I disagree with your argument Oh I think you made a factual [TS]
01:20:43 ◼ ► mistake or if they start saying things that are personally offensive or racist or you know or sexual. [TS]
01:20:53 ◼ ► Against these volunteers and I can't police you know I can't police it all because there are so many videos. [TS]
01:21:02 ◼ ► and so just recently I'm experimenting with having the comments to approval which is a huge road for my back I remember [TS]
01:21:13 ◼ ► when I met the guys that eat Sesame Street You Tube videos they do the same thing because of this they got together on [TS]
01:21:22 ◼ ► Yeah I don't want to talk comment to be some racist attack against the person who's in the video. [TS]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and I'm not particularly censors in terms of you know if someone doesn't like the video. [TS]
01:21:43 ◼ ► but if that thing abusive you know I don't have it anymore because it's also some of these people in the videos you [TS]
01:21:54 ◼ ► know have a rating and they've become scared to read comments. Yeah because of you know their site. [TS]
01:22:02 ◼ ► and I don't want that to happen I want them to go into the comments so they can enjoy the praise [TS]
01:22:14 ◼ ► I've always really provided the comment section under my videos as a place where the debate goes on you know you can be [TS]
01:22:22 ◼ ► it can be vigorous debate but you know a healthy place and I like the people in the videos to go and they tell you [TS]
01:22:30 ◼ ► and at least read some of them actually engage with it and write comments to you but at least read it [TS]
01:22:53 ◼ ► and say don't worry don't worry don't be scared of coming into the comments any more if someone writes something that [TS]
01:23:03 ◼ ► Yes and some and you know I know we live in a world where free speech is greatly valued [TS]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and I greatly value free speech as well but they can go and do their free speech somewhere else free not on. [TS]
01:23:16 ◼ ► A video one page that I've created and I'm given the administration right page for various reasons [TS]
01:23:23 ◼ ► and you know if I want to if I want to have their free speech and say something vicious [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and horrible about some poor academic who's volunteered their time to go into a new home page I don't write for the [TS]
01:23:48 ◼ ► Yes right and so I obviously like as as your videos have grown more popular and you have more people subscribed. [TS]
01:23:54 ◼ ► You can do nothing but expect the average comment quality to go down. It's like a mathematical function. [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► You're almost guaranteed that that is going to be the case that as you widen the pool the discussion quality drops [TS]
01:24:13 ◼ ► when you bring in some third party who is not necessarily used to that it can be a very upsetting experience [TS]
01:24:22 ◼ ► and I do think that you know these for you Do you know don't read the comments is not is not is not bad advice [TS]
01:24:29 ◼ ► and it's partly because the barrier to commenting is much lower. You know here it is it is easier. [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► And yeah it just you know I don't know about you approving the comments because my my only guess is that is your as [TS]
01:24:49 ◼ ► your channel continues to grow that fundamental underlying math is not going to be any different care. [TS]
01:24:55 ◼ ► Right and like you or maybe it's just handleable now but anymore it's not it's not. [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► Yeah there are filters and things you can put in place but it's just a temporary experiment. [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► Because his advice for anybody who makes up on the internet this is this is vices like probably the best advice that I [TS]
01:25:29 ◼ ► but also sometimes the most hard to find hard to follow through with it is just do not engage. [TS]
01:25:37 ◼ ► Right you have you have nothing to gain from engaging with extremely negative commenters [TS]
01:25:46 ◼ ► but it is also just so so hard not to do and I yeah I know I don't want to go into any details I said I ran into. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Or a very negative commenter on Reddit recently who who doesn't like me for personal reasons you know doesn't know me [TS]
01:26:08 ◼ ► but like you know just me and the man you just want to respond but I literally had to sit there [TS]
01:26:16 ◼ ► and think like I do not engage do not engage you have nothing to gain from this example using your time [TS]
01:26:22 ◼ ► but it is it is very frustrating and I can see sometimes on the Internet that like with little conversations unfold [TS]
01:26:31 ◼ ► or people wonder like oh why hasn't this prominent person responded about this particular particular talk on them [TS]
01:26:37 ◼ ► and it's like because the correct answer is do not engage like you just can't win in writing never in a land war in [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► or crazy comments are like a land war in Asia like not you're not going to win on this one right there is no there is [TS]
01:26:58 ◼ ► there's no way there's no way to come out. Yeah I mean there are lots of reasons to not engage like. [TS]
01:27:06 ◼ ► One is you know it just validates someone who you shouldn't really be validating. Yeah but also I like the stranger. [TS]
01:27:17 ◼ ► They there are lots of people in your life who are important he should get your time or your lot pokes [TS]
01:27:29 ◼ ► and they're also they don't know they don't know you they don't have anything about you [TS]
01:27:38 ◼ ► That's why I always get told so they're Whether they're saying they're saying you're great [TS]
01:27:43 ◼ ► and you make the best videos in the world or they're saying you're terrible and your rubbish and they hate your guts. [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► Both of those people they don't know and they're not that great you're not you're not as good as they say [TS]
01:27:55 ◼ ► and then you're not bad as bad as they say and who's got a script. What you doing and doing what you enjoy. [TS]
01:28:01 ◼ ► Yeah yeah both of those both of those both those comments are definitely true that you are if you're not as as often [TS]
01:28:07 ◼ ► or as terrible as people say but it is it is so hard not to really read the comments sometimes [TS]
01:28:18 ◼ ► and hearing what people have to say yes you know sort of in particular circumstances [TS]
01:28:27 ◼ ► and you know you really need to say it is a really good thing about a job that we get we get the level of faith that we [TS]
01:28:34 ◼ ► like a lot of people who do jobs and no one ever tells them anything whether they like what they're doing it [TS]
01:28:41 ◼ ► or not what they're doing and we are lucky here winching because it comes with a it comes with a sting in the tail. [TS]
01:28:47 ◼ ► But overall overall I quite like to say one other thing about comics that just popped into my head. Drives me crazy. [TS]
01:29:00 ◼ ► Things will come up in a video like say stay the course up something that kind of needs something that needs addressing [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► or something that someone's noticed and there is nothing you could do to stop people commenting on that. [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► If if you like to clarify something with an annotation or you write something in the description [TS]
01:29:21 ◼ ► or you write a bunch of comments in the comment section yourself to say look I realize that this isn't clear [TS]
01:29:29 ◼ ► and hundreds of people pointed out as if no one else pointed it out like they were saying and written [TS]
01:29:36 ◼ ► and it does make me wonder what percentage of people who write comments even glance at the video description [TS]
01:29:45 ◼ ► or see other people's comments before they write something and not even be a mistake. [TS]
01:29:50 ◼ ► It might be what is the piece of music you used that you'd want to comment about it [TS]
01:29:55 ◼ ► and everyone else will say oh he's used this piece of music and you put it in everything. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► You can tell people he could be in the video and into the video in big bold letters and used to have hundreds [TS]
01:30:07 ◼ ► and hundreds and hundreds of people writing what was the music or do you realize this is wrong or something. [TS]
01:30:17 ◼ ► I have definitely sometimes left a comment on something only seconds later to see that it was in the description [TS]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and I would be reluctant to write a comment to put something into writing until I've checked. Yet it's not available. [TS]
01:30:42 ◼ ► but it was the right you told me three seconds later. OK I was looking at that as a as a final thing here right. [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► I'm looking at our our feedback on our own podcast and our star ratings follow exactly what I was saying before. [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► but I don't have any sense of how now you know I like that because I have no idea what that is [TS]
01:31:14 ◼ ► but that's a number two and if I have five siblings and then we have three one starvation. [TS]
01:31:21 ◼ ► And even just looking at that right it's like and we have No three star ratings and five four star ratings [TS]
01:31:30 ◼ ► but you know the only ones I want to read what the three stuff so that's what I want I want to be I don't know what [TS]
01:31:37 ◼ ► they said that is exactly like I'm looking at this at like your mind you cannot help [TS]
01:31:43 ◼ ► but like my mind is totally drawn immediately to three one star ratings like what did that person have to say [TS]
01:32:01 ◼ ► Yes and you read the one star review and the service was terrible and there are facts [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► and you have a lot more going there is no way I'm going to that was up to thousands of people who said it was the most [TS]
01:32:16 ◼ ► and I think the thing that got me started about this whole topic I forget until the very end. [TS]
01:32:23 ◼ ► But going back to what you were saying the beginning how you have to trust your own judgment about something you know I [TS]
01:32:27 ◼ ► was looking at the comments for this pod cast and this happened to be on You Tube to see what everybody had to say [TS]
01:32:35 ◼ ► and the favorite thing that I came across was two comments one that was right after another [TS]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and so it's this is on on You Tube in the first one is from a guy called Talk this. And he complains. [TS]
01:32:50 ◼ ► Here is his suggestion is that he doesn't like the podcast because we don't let the conversation flow naturally [TS]
01:32:58 ◼ ► and you know where we're sticking strictly to our theme for this round of feedback he doesn't like it because we're [TS]
01:33:04 ◼ ► stupid to stick with sticking to the theme of today's episode mediately after the user called unpronounceable [TS]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and you should really have some kind of centralizing seem right to focus the discussion. [TS]
01:33:26 ◼ ► And this is this is the kind of thing that can just drive you crazy on the internet is [TS]
01:33:42 ◼ ► but I collect some comments for various reasons one of the main reasons is I often go [TS]
01:33:46 ◼ ► and give talks to people each even having having a nice collection of comments good [TS]
01:33:52 ◼ ► and bad is you know quite good for powerpoint presentations but whenever I see two side by side like that I like. [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Keep them as little like little twin primes or something then I fiddled a little treasures [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► when two people say exact opposite things back to back but I find that happens a lot [TS]
01:34:09 ◼ ► when I do the polarizing videos like something different like song something of that [TS]
01:34:16 ◼ ► and you get this is the best video I've ever seen on the Internet followed by this is the worst piece of trash. [TS]
01:34:25 ◼ ► and so we have we have one of those for the excellence it involves It is both too structured [TS]
01:34:33 ◼ ► and what are we headed we fix that what do we do now. Well well here here's what I'm going to do right now. [TS]
01:34:38 ◼ ► And this is also there's also a cunning plan I have left this to last for a very reason so we have a bunch of reviews [TS]
01:34:45 ◼ ► from different countries around the world. And so here is a list of places where we have gotten reviews. [TS]
01:34:53 ◼ ► It's Argentina Australia Austria Belgium Canada Denmark Finland Germany Greece Ireland Mexico the Netherlands Norway [TS]
01:35:16 ◼ ► I would love to eventually at some point have a review from every one of the countries where this pod cast can be heard [TS]
01:35:28 ◼ ► and if you like this pod cast which if you have listened this long you must like this podcast. [TS]
01:35:37 ◼ ► And if you are listening this long and you don't like this podcast I'm very worried [TS]
01:35:44 ◼ ► By definition has to be enjoying this broadcast and you are from one of the places that I have not mentioned. [TS]
01:35:55 ◼ ► I'm assuming the people who have listened long are going to leave positive reviews. [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► As I say I should have put a review in when I was in Vietnam. You should have yes I guess I'm not sure how that works. [TS]
01:36:18 ◼ ► and of course my own video on the number of countries media is ambiguous anyway you know [TS]
01:36:25 ◼ ► or you are in a place that was not mentioned I would love it if you have to review [TS]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and maybe next time I'll follow up and see how many additional places we have gotten since that last time [TS]