The Incomparable

202: The Partial Monty


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00:00:15   incomparable number 202 july 24 [TS]

00:00:22   welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:24   podcast I'm your host Jason Snell it's [TS]

00:00:26   episode number 202 and are like fifth in [TS]

00:00:32   a row fourth in a row episode where we [TS]

00:00:35   detail the nominees for the hugo awards [TS]

00:00:37   the awards that I was paying attention [TS]

00:00:40   to as a kid there by science fiction [TS]

00:00:42   fans voting for the favorite science [TS]

00:00:44   fiction stuff of the year we have will [TS]

00:00:48   try to get the spoilers kind of light so [TS]

00:00:50   you can maybe discover some of these [TS]

00:00:51   things a lot of the stuff is available [TS]

00:00:53   short stories are largely available [TS]

00:00:55   online books of course are available for [TS]

00:00:57   you to purchase and so we're going to [TS]

00:01:00   try to not totally spoil everything but [TS]

00:01:02   I maybe you will discover some [TS]

00:01:04   interesting things to read as we discuss [TS]

00:01:06   some of these things that have been [TS]

00:01:07   nominated for awards which is usually a [TS]

00:01:09   pretty good sign [TS]

00:01:10   not always but usually joining me to [TS]

00:01:13   discuss the this this year's a batch of [TS]

00:01:16   Hugo's as always is my compatriot in [TS]

00:01:20   reading scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:01:23   hello God you did you do all the reading [TS]

00:01:26   i know i didn't I did I read all the [TS]

00:01:29   novel's I read all the short stories I [TS]

00:01:33   read half the novelettes and none of the [TS]

00:01:35   novella alright thats that's your your [TS]

00:01:37   your in my ballpark actually there so [TS]

00:01:39   get out of my ballpark now I just [TS]

00:01:42   wandered in here all right [TS]

00:01:43   yes we left the gates unlocked that [TS]

00:01:45   happens is security is quite poor David [TS]

00:01:48   laura is also out there David you [TS]

00:01:49   haven't done one of these before [TS]

00:01:51   hello hello what well you know I have a [TS]

00:01:54   fear of mirror grant novels so what did [TS]

00:01:57   you read i rid most of the retro hugo [TS]

00:02:03   nominees [TS]

00:02:04   excellent ok so we should explain that [TS]

00:02:06   that in addition to the best honoring [TS]

00:02:09   the best stuff from the last year the [TS]

00:02:12   retro Hugo's are honoring the best stuff [TS]

00:02:14   from 1939 from 75 years ago and and [TS]

00:02:20   David read a lot of that stuff along [TS]

00:02:22   with Monty Ashley hi Monty didn't David [TS]

00:02:25   and Monty are are representing the past [TS]

00:02:29   the distant past and then we're [TS]

00:02:31   representing the the recent past now i [TS]

00:02:32   also have failed to and introduce my my [TS]

00:02:35   fourth guest [TS]

00:02:36   it's erica and sign who herself is a [TS]

00:02:40   hugo nominees this year for the very [TS]

00:02:42   podcast which is nominated in the best [TS]

00:02:44   fancast categories we g-guys the [TS]

00:02:46   nominees are here dick that actually [TS]

00:02:49   took me by surprise when you said that [TS]

00:02:51   because I was all ready to sit down and [TS]

00:02:52   talk about the books and stuff yeah oh [TS]

00:02:54   well that's right there's that thing we [TS]

00:02:56   will not talk about the best fancast [TS]

00:02:57   category because we're not gonna put you [TS]

00:02:59   on the spot but Faraday is a wandering [TS]

00:03:01   look Cass and you are up for a hugo [TS]

00:03:03   which is super awesome [TS]

00:03:04   it gets my vote oh and we stand and [TS]

00:03:07   those of us who paid for memberships do [TS]

00:03:10   get to vote so i think we have voters on [TS]

00:03:13   this on this episode [TS]

00:03:15   yes I mine yes i know i'm a voter I'm a [TS]

00:03:17   voter i am to monitor you voting i'm not [TS]

00:03:21   a voter this year you do me no good if [TS]

00:03:26   you want to tell me what your vote for [TS]

00:03:27   the review goes you can have my ballot [TS]

00:03:29   for the record you going to talk about [TS]

00:03:30   that vote for galactic patrol yeah I [TS]

00:03:34   read that 1i ok maybe you can have my [TS]

00:03:36   vote anyway we'll get there we'll get [TS]

00:03:40   we'll get there so it's so we got a [TS]

00:03:42   couple things to go through here and and [TS]

00:03:44   we've read sort of different parts Erica [TS]

00:03:46   what if you read of the of the stuff [TS]

00:03:48   that's been nominated i have read all of [TS]

00:03:50   the short stories novelettes and [TS]

00:03:52   novellas and i finished two of the [TS]

00:03:54   novel's gave up on two of them and [TS]

00:03:56   haven't started on the wheel of time [TS]

00:03:58   alright yeah i should point out when i [TS]

00:04:00   said all the novel's I did not read the [TS]

00:04:01   wheel of time right [TS]

00:04:02   I wondered about that is not a novel but [TS]

00:04:04   rather a series of novels on nominated [TS]

00:04:07   together i read the first 60 pages of [TS]

00:04:10   the wheel of time to get ready hiring [TS]

00:04:13   out a few thousand yeah hi I tried to [TS]

00:04:17   read it many many years ago and knew [TS]

00:04:18   that I was not going to finish [TS]

00:04:21   no just like the author and the author i [TS]

00:04:23   was doing 14 times when he was still a [TS]

00:04:25   lot yeah so that kind of girl so when [TS]

00:04:28   they announced that they were going to [TS]

00:04:29   continue them i went [TS]

00:04:30   ya know so let's let's get started with [TS]

00:04:32   the the modern Hugo's and talk about a [TS]

00:04:36   best novel let's start there [TS]

00:04:38   that's the big one and then move into [TS]

00:04:39   the short fiction picky the big game [TS]

00:04:42   hunting [TS]

00:04:43   yes I thought it was interesting short [TS]

00:04:44   fiction too but we'll start with we'll [TS]

00:04:46   start with best novel five nominees in [TS]

00:04:48   this category we can start by mentioning [TS]

00:04:50   the wheel of time I haven't read any of [TS]

00:04:51   it they were nice enough to put it in [TS]

00:04:53   the voter packet so I now have these 30 [TS]

00:04:55   books or whatever it is all welded [TS]

00:04:57   together in one beep up so gigantic one [TS]

00:04:59   kindle book file so gigantic that when i [TS]

00:05:02   tried to send it to amazon amazon said [TS]

00:05:03   this can't be a book it's much too large [TS]

00:05:06   i try to send it like three times and [TS]

00:05:08   there's like no sorry [TS]

00:05:10   nope stupid gets to insanely big I [TS]

00:05:12   haven't read i haven't read it I've [TS]

00:05:14   heard from people who read it and said [TS]

00:05:15   they liked it when it started and then [TS]

00:05:17   over time it just kind of kept on going [TS]

00:05:19   and they and they dropped out the author [TS]

00:05:21   died and then they brought in brandon [TS]

00:05:23   sanderson to finish it because it had [TS]

00:05:25   never been nominated for you go before [TS]

00:05:27   it was eligible in this loophole in the [TS]

00:05:30   rules to be nominated as a complete see [TS]

00:05:32   realized work so it's in the category [TS]

00:05:35   and as a whole as all the products I [TS]

00:05:38   don't think technically it's a loophole [TS]

00:05:40   because it is spelled out in the rules [TS]

00:05:41   it's hard getting ridiculous rule then [TS]

00:05:43   in order to this rule it is not a [TS]

00:05:45   loophole okay fair enough i did it [TS]

00:05:47   it's a rule that makes sense if you [TS]

00:05:48   think about i think what it was supposed [TS]

00:05:50   to be for 4c realized works like like [TS]

00:05:53   the green mile which was published [TS]

00:05:54   bit-by-bit seven actually a winner [TS]

00:05:56   a few years ago connie willis is [TS]

00:05:57   blackout and all clear which was [TS]

00:05:59   literally a novel chopped in half and [TS]

00:06:02   published by mean they didn't publish [TS]

00:06:04   and then cut the books in half HR the [TS]

00:06:05   manuscript to happen published it as two [TS]

00:06:07   books i just want to clear about that [TS]

00:06:09   but it was one story and it was [TS]

00:06:10   nominated together and one and that was [TS]

00:06:13   a perfectly reasonable i would say use [TS]

00:06:15   but this is decades of books stitch [TS]

00:06:18   together into one nominee anybody out [TS]

00:06:21   there read enough of this to make a [TS]

00:06:23   comment about the wheel of time I [TS]

00:06:25   attempted to read the first book many [TS]

00:06:28   years ago and i got about 200 pages in [TS]

00:06:30   and the the character was like still [TS]

00:06:33   trying to walk out of his village and I [TS]

00:06:34   thought okay I'm done nothing further [TS]

00:06:38   than I did [TS]

00:06:39   yes i love love love the journey song [TS]

00:06:41   though I really wanted to read the first [TS]

00:06:48   to last book and see if I could guess [TS]

00:06:49   what happened between if there are any [TS]

00:06:51   characters and common do come [TS]

00:06:53   wow that was a funny idea then only [TS]

00:06:57   that's called to eating than practical [TS]

00:06:59   just tweening between the two books see [TS]

00:07:01   what happens in the meantime just a [TS]

00:07:03   computer could do that [TS]

00:07:04   alright well the time is there i didn't [TS]

00:07:06   i didn't tackle it either i might try to [TS]

00:07:07   read some of the first book just to get [TS]

00:07:09   a sense of it before i put the cast my [TS]

00:07:11   vote but like I can't talk about another [TS]

00:07:13   book that got nominated was ancillary [TS]

00:07:15   justice we've already talked about this [TS]

00:07:16   on at least i think three episodes of [TS]

00:07:18   the incomparable because it was a Scot [TS]

00:07:20   recommendation for the best of his [TS]

00:07:22   favorite book from last year and then we [TS]

00:07:23   did an episode where half of it was to [TS]

00:07:25   us talking about it and then in our [TS]

00:07:27   nebula Awards episode it was nominated [TS]

00:07:29   for and won the nebula award we also [TS]

00:07:32   said very nice things about it there [TS]

00:07:34   that's right i can go back and listen to [TS]

00:07:36   all three for those episodes now hooray [TS]

00:07:38   so head it'll get my vote for the hugo [TS]

00:07:41   yeah i think the worst thing I'd say [TS]

00:07:43   about it was that it seemed like there [TS]

00:07:45   were too many ideas in it which I now [TS]

00:07:48   think is a good thing it's not a decimal [TS]

00:07:50   of of criticism that's not so bad [TS]

00:07:52   Erica did you read ancillary justice i [TS]

00:07:54   did manage to finish it like just under [TS]

00:07:57   the wire i think it was last night [TS]

00:07:58   finished with what did you think what [TS]

00:07:59   did I i really liked it I'd it was not [TS]

00:08:02   an easy read it actually felt like a [TS]

00:08:04   little bit of a slog from time to time [TS]

00:08:06   but it was very much worth the effort [TS]

00:08:09   i would say yeah I would agree with that [TS]

00:08:11   and i agree with Monty I think it does [TS]

00:08:13   have maybe a few too many things thrown [TS]

00:08:15   in that made it needlessly complicated [TS]

00:08:18   like as we said in one of the previous [TS]

00:08:19   episodes I feel like while the the fact [TS]

00:08:23   that the language that the character is [TS]

00:08:25   speaking doesn't have any concept of [TS]

00:08:27   gender and so she is used to describe [TS]

00:08:30   every character in the book except a [TS]

00:08:32   couple very specific points i thought [TS]

00:08:35   that was an interesting idea it brought [TS]

00:08:37   to mind the left hand of darkness at the [TS]

00:08:38   same time I felt the book was much more [TS]

00:08:40   about like personality and identity than [TS]

00:08:42   actually about gender and I [TS]

00:08:44   don't like it was an interesting trick [TS]

00:08:46   and yet didn't seem as connected to what [TS]

00:08:48   the book was about as some of the other [TS]

00:08:49   stuff that's in there so it felt like an [TS]

00:08:52   idea too much [TS]

00:08:53   see I think you're right that it wasn't [TS]

00:08:55   connected but that was why i liked it i [TS]

00:08:57   feel like if it had been if it had if [TS]

00:08:59   that had been one of the things that [TS]

00:09:00   they were sort of she was hitting us [TS]

00:09:01   over the head with I think that it would [TS]

00:09:03   have been one idea too much but i like [TS]

00:09:05   the idea that was just just sort of [TS]

00:09:07   permanent background tapestry of this [TS]

00:09:09   world and just something you had to [TS]

00:09:10   learn to accept it's also the first book [TS]

00:09:12   in that she's written and the first book [TS]

00:09:14   obviously in this week universe that [TS]

00:09:16   she's going to revisit and it you know [TS]

00:09:18   it's hard to differentiate the trappings [TS]

00:09:20   of the universe and the culture from [TS]

00:09:22   what happens in this book and I imagine [TS]

00:09:25   that the the gender stuff is more about [TS]

00:09:28   the culture that she's built up here [TS]

00:09:31   then it is actually about what the book [TS]

00:09:32   is but you can tell because there's only [TS]

00:09:34   the one book right now so we can tell [TS]

00:09:36   it's a good book though you should read [TS]

00:09:38   it thats that's what we're saying here [TS]

00:09:40   is you should read it it's a good book [TS]

00:09:41   yeah stop listening to this podcast in [TS]

00:09:43   real reason no no you should listen o [TS]

00:09:45   keep lachemann to find other books to [TS]

00:09:48   read 20 that's right there is a there's [TS]

00:09:51   a short story in the same universe right [TS]

00:09:53   the next novel is not know [TS]

00:09:57   alright I Neptune's brewed by charles [TS]

00:10:00   stross which is a sequel sort of us not [TS]

00:10:02   a sequel said in the same universe as [TS]

00:10:04   saturn's children which was nominated a [TS]

00:10:06   few years ago which I read but uh [TS]

00:10:09   totally unconnected honestly and you [TS]

00:10:11   don't need to have read 12 if read the [TS]

00:10:13   other this is a wild space on this is [TS]

00:10:15   not charles stross 'as / near future [TS]

00:10:18   Scotland kind of thing or tech expert [TS]

00:10:22   you know near-term tech-focused this is [TS]

00:10:25   his wild crazy and broads opera sort of [TS]

00:10:31   thing and get boring Scott fairness [TS]

00:10:33   expand on that please can I just felt [TS]

00:10:37   like i was reading a book about [TS]

00:10:40   economics that had fallen through some [TS]

00:10:43   kind of time hole and ended up on my [TS]

00:10:45   desk with a little story put into it too [TS]

00:10:49   padded so that i could learn about slow [TS]

00:10:52   money and fast money and media money and [TS]

00:10:54   how the bank's bitcoin and bitcoin and I [TS]

00:10:56   was [TS]

00:10:57   I don't care about any of this I don't [TS]

00:10:58   understand what this character is doing [TS]

00:11:00   she's a like a what is a financial [TS]

00:11:03   archivist who is looking for some kind [TS]

00:11:06   of laundered money and I just didn't [TS]

00:11:10   like it I i kinda liked it [TS]

00:11:13   I see what you're saying completely it [TS]

00:11:15   is i was laughing at several points and [TS]

00:11:18   trying to explain to my wife this book [TS]

00:11:19   i'm reading is essentially about an [TS]

00:11:22   accountant a space but a space [TS]

00:11:25   accountant a space forensic accountant [TS]

00:11:27   and and and and a space a con game and [TS]

00:11:32   and then at some point she's turned into [TS]

00:11:35   a mermaid right and in order to find out [TS]

00:11:40   more about the design some financial [TS]

00:11:44   documents just seriously it is it so i [TS]

00:11:47   was i was kind of amazed by just how [TS]

00:11:49   wild a a conglomeration of ideas this [TS]

00:11:53   was because you haven't even mentioned [TS]

00:11:55   the the pair the parasite or not pairs [TS]

00:11:58   of the Pirates the space pirates the [TS]

00:12:01   space account pirates who are actually [TS]

00:12:03   account also accountants or the and [TS]

00:12:06   likely and red monkey people are dog [TS]

00:12:08   people or something to there in like [TS]

00:12:09   animal animal pirate yeah accounts [TS]

00:12:12   back-to-back-to-back people that's what [TS]

00:12:14   they are none of them are actually [TS]

00:12:15   people right because people are meat [TS]

00:12:18   yeah that's right there that's actually [TS]

00:12:20   a really nice point to that the that [TS]

00:12:22   human beings in Neptune's brood are in [TS]

00:12:25   this universe are extinct essentially [TS]

00:12:27   and there's there's a cult that kind of [TS]

00:12:29   like keeps them around reconstitute them [TS]

00:12:31   every now and then but they can't seem [TS]

00:12:33   to keep them alive we're like the their [TS]

00:12:35   human humans are like the guinea pigs of [TS]

00:12:37   this world when you try to get the out [TS]

00:12:39   its diet diet again is so I mean I [TS]

00:12:42   thought it was ambitious but not for me [TS]

00:12:45   yeah I i don't know i like the the mug [TS]

00:12:47   it it's a Moorish kind of MacGuffin plot [TS]

00:12:50   with all these bizarre economics thrown [TS]

00:12:54   in and like I said I I i enjoyed the [TS]

00:12:56   fact that this character is bouncing [TS]

00:12:58   from place to place in this crazy [TS]

00:13:00   widescreen sci-fi universe it enough [TS]

00:13:03   that the fact that then we would have a [TS]

00:13:05   chapter explaining future economics [TS]

00:13:07   didn't bother me so much but it's [TS]

00:13:09   totally a weird but [TS]

00:13:10   Erica did you read this one I read the [TS]

00:13:14   excerpt that was provided by orbit into [TS]

00:13:16   the hugo packet and honestly I'm not [TS]

00:13:18   even sure I quite got to the end of that [TS]

00:13:20   actually did and it was I felt like it [TS]

00:13:23   was it was very well written like it was [TS]

00:13:25   a good use of words and it was an [TS]

00:13:26   interesting world but I just didn't feel [TS]

00:13:29   connected to it in any way it was too [TS]

00:13:31   much work for me to to figure out what [TS]

00:13:33   was going on as i was reading it like i [TS]

00:13:35   said ancillary justice was a little [TS]

00:13:37   sloppy at times [TS]

00:13:38   this was also very sloggi the difference [TS]

00:13:40   was I was interested in what was [TS]

00:13:42   happening in ancillary justice and I [TS]

00:13:43   wanted to find out what this world was [TS]

00:13:45   like and what happened next [TS]

00:13:47   and it was kind of the opposite in [TS]

00:13:48   enough to intrude i just i really didn't [TS]

00:13:51   care so if i have time before voting is [TS]

00:13:55   closed i may go back in and try to [TS]

00:13:56   finish it be kind of a morbid curiosity [TS]

00:13:59   she didn't care that the main character [TS]

00:14:01   got to the mystery of what was in those [TS]

00:14:03   ledger books [TS]

00:14:04   yeah there is there is a key scene on a [TS]

00:14:07   on a moon of Neptune or no moon of [TS]

00:14:09   Jupiter where there's books in a library [TS]

00:14:12   that have important numbers written on [TS]

00:14:15   them and then there is a descendant deep [TS]

00:14:17   into the depths of a giant ocean in [TS]

00:14:19   order to find out more about accounting [TS]

00:14:21   so yeah you're not selling it to me so [TS]

00:14:24   maybe i will stick with the wheel of [TS]

00:14:25   time with two I feel like the descent [TS]

00:14:28   into the depths I didn't the center of [TS]

00:14:30   the depth is actually a pretty [TS]

00:14:31   interesting part of the book it's it's a [TS]

00:14:32   it's a nice kind of climax to the book [TS]

00:14:34   but you cannot deny the fact that what [TS]

00:14:37   they're really doing is trying to find [TS]

00:14:38   information to be exchanged about [TS]

00:14:40   financial transactions [TS]

00:14:41   oh it's crazy it is a bizarre bazaar [TS]

00:14:44   book but I kind of enjoyed it but obey [TS]

00:14:47   because i was along for the ride of the [TS]

00:14:49   of the of the wacky plot but man there's [TS]

00:14:52   a lot of monetary policy in there too if [TS]

00:14:56   I had read it in a vacuum without [TS]

00:14:58   cramming it in with a bunch of other [TS]

00:15:00   books that i was actually comparing it [TS]

00:15:02   to i think i would have enjoyed it a lot [TS]

00:15:03   more just because it would have I think [TS]

00:15:06   maybe filled the space a little bit [TS]

00:15:08   better [TS]

00:15:08   it would have been distracting motor [TS]

00:15:09   rated in a vacuum because of that loud [TS]

00:15:11   sucking noise now that's just like a [TS]

00:15:15   grand sport [TS]

00:15:16   yes [TS]

00:15:18   so we have two more books to talk about [TS]

00:15:20   uh I wanna I i actually just finished [TS]

00:15:23   warbound by Larry Correia which you know [TS]

00:15:26   ok so there's some controversy about the [TS]

00:15:28   hugo nominations this year because [TS]

00:15:31   there's this feeling that they were sort [TS]

00:15:32   of a slate of candidates who were sort [TS]

00:15:34   of a conservative Republican or [TS]

00:15:38   right-wingers or moderates or whatever [TS]

00:15:40   you could get are libertarians or [TS]

00:15:42   whatever there but there was a sort of [TS]

00:15:44   ideological pushing the feeling is that [TS]

00:15:46   somebody's people around on the [TS]

00:15:47   nominations list because there was a [TS]

00:15:49   slate that was put out there that people [TS]

00:15:51   voted for I believe Larry Correia the [TS]

00:15:54   author of warbound is one of those [TS]

00:15:55   people believe he was kinda I think he [TS]

00:15:58   said he I think he may be did the slate [TS]

00:16:00   yeah warbound his book three of the [TS]

00:16:03   grimoire chronicles which so a series i [TS]

00:16:06   did not read the other two books but I [TS]

00:16:08   did read all of warbound did anybody [TS]

00:16:11   else read this book i read it what you [TS]

00:16:14   think Scott I thought it was better than [TS]

00:16:18   its title was like I agree the title the [TS]

00:16:23   title the title is Erica did you read it [TS]

00:16:26   I haven't finished it I beg briefly [TS]

00:16:30   ragequit and then I come back I will [TS]

00:16:34   come back to it again if i have time its [TS]

00:16:36   it well first off it should be called [TS]

00:16:37   like spellbound or something because [TS]

00:16:38   there's a character in it who's got the [TS]

00:16:40   spellbound thing but it's called [TS]

00:16:42   warbound like we're off to war sort of [TS]

00:16:44   and it's not very good [TS]

00:16:45   ok so that we don't like the title go [TS]

00:16:47   ahead Scott I thought it was [TS]

00:16:49   entertaining i mean i don't think so my [TS]

00:16:52   problems with Hugo's and we've talked [TS]

00:16:53   about this before is that I always [TS]

00:16:55   thought of them kind of like science [TS]

00:16:57   fiction's answer to the Oscars but [TS]

00:16:59   they're really the people's choice [TS]

00:17:01   awards which are far less prestigious so [TS]

00:17:05   I mean if people like to read this kind [TS]

00:17:07   of stuff which i think they do it's easy [TS]

00:17:09   to read I can see how it can be [TS]

00:17:11   appealing to some folks i read it very [TS]

00:17:13   quickly so i didn't reach quit so that's [TS]

00:17:16   a good thing [TS]

00:17:17   yeah I thought it was entertaining kind [TS]

00:17:20   of like bubblegum kinda you know kind of [TS]

00:17:23   a paperback I could imagine like in the [TS]

00:17:26   the fifties seeing this in the drugstore [TS]

00:17:29   for like a nickel [TS]

00:17:31   I liked so I I I thought it was [TS]

00:17:35   perfectly confidently done I i thought [TS]

00:17:38   there were aspects of it that I thought [TS]

00:17:40   were quite clever just in the sense that [TS]

00:17:43   it's set in this world of magic but the [TS]

00:17:47   way magic really works is he describes [TS]

00:17:49   it at several points as being it's more [TS]

00:17:51   like physics that is multi-dimensional [TS]

00:17:53   and hard to understand so there's this [TS]

00:17:55   component of on top of its like this [TS]

00:17:58   isn't just well there's magic it's sort [TS]

00:17:59   of like trying to explain it and that [TS]

00:18:00   there are creatures that live in the [TS]

00:18:02   other dimensions that are battling and [TS]

00:18:04   what we see is this emergence of magic [TS]

00:18:06   is actually this battle between these [TS]

00:18:09   two different kind of creatures one of [TS]

00:18:11   whom is the prey of the other 1i thought [TS]

00:18:13   that was all kind of interesting [TS]

00:18:15   the characters are flat he's trying to [TS]

00:18:16   he's trying to give it this honestly on [TS]

00:18:19   a marketing level he's trying to get [TS]

00:18:21   this hard-edged noir detective feel I [TS]

00:18:26   think in part because he feels like [TS]

00:18:28   that's a really cool shandra and knowing [TS]

00:18:31   a little bit about the politics at work [TS]

00:18:33   here i have to say it i think he is [TS]

00:18:35   afraid to commit to it being steampunk [TS]

00:18:38   which is actually what it is because [TS]

00:18:41   steampunk is perceived as being kind of [TS]

00:18:43   more girly and Lefty [TS]

00:18:47   then perhaps a conservative Republican [TS]

00:18:48   author would like to be involved with [TS]

00:18:51   but I gotta say this is the steam this [TS]

00:18:53   reads like steampunk magic to me not [TS]

00:18:55   like hard-bitten or detective in the [TS]

00:18:57   main character [TS]

00:18:58   I you know I get the sense that he's [TS]

00:19:00   trying to come across as this [TS]

00:19:02   hard-bitten former p I and it doesn't [TS]

00:19:05   play that way to me it plays much more [TS]

00:19:06   as a fantasy with it's got airships and [TS]

00:19:09   for God's sake it is to us and said [TS]

00:19:12   Buckminster Fuller building some kind of [TS]

00:19:14   crazy gadgets crazy gadgets so yeah but [TS]

00:19:16   I I enjoyed all that they're there is a [TS]

00:19:18   moment early on where one of the [TS]

00:19:20   characters actually be picking up from [TS]

00:19:22   last episode we talked about Yankee [TS]

00:19:24   Doodle Dandy and the framing sequence [TS]

00:19:26   involving Roosevelt there is a sequence [TS]

00:19:28   involving Teddy R franklin roosevelt in [TS]

00:19:30   this too and that was the moment where I [TS]

00:19:32   almost ragequit the book Erica because [TS]

00:19:34   that's the moment that [TS]

00:19:35   the moment where Roosevelt's like oh [TS]

00:19:37   well you know the rest of us basically a [TS]

00:19:39   cartoon villain then we're gonna put all [TS]

00:19:40   the people in camps who have magic we're [TS]

00:19:41   going to round them up and put them in [TS]

00:19:42   games and and the and the main character [TS]

00:19:44   and he's not [TS]

00:19:45   turns out not the main character one of [TS]

00:19:46   the characters says something about i [TS]

00:19:49   I've learned that the government always [TS]

00:19:51   comes to take your stuff and government [TS]

00:19:52   is the enemy and must be something like [TS]

00:19:53   oh jeez here we go who is John Galt and [TS]

00:19:56   honestly that's sort of all that i ended [TS]

00:19:58   up getting from that it's sort of what [TS]

00:20:00   it abated and then it never came back [TS]

00:20:01   but that was that more was rolling my [TS]

00:20:03   eyes like yes Franklin Roosevelt is a [TS]

00:20:05   cartoon villain telling you all the [TS]

00:20:07   evils of government in the middle of a [TS]

00:20:09   war which he was really bad at Wars you [TS]

00:20:11   know Roosevelt he was very bad at those [TS]

00:20:14   so welcome to wait until he died [TS]

00:20:17   um well I was I was rolling my eyes [TS]

00:20:19   pretty hard at that point [TS]

00:20:20   yeah that was not the moment that I rage [TS]

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00:21:07   a video series these are also not people [TS]

00:21:09   who retreat down into a smelly basement [TS]

00:21:11   set up a camcorder turn on a really well [TS]

00:21:14   oh weird compact fluorescent light and [TS]

00:21:16   then stare into the camera and described [TS]

00:21:18   you how to do things like those youtube [TS]

00:21:20   videos they're out there you know the [TS]

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00:21:22   they have a state-of-the-art videostudio [TS]

00:21:24   they have incredible web technology that [TS]

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00:21:41   there's a Yosemite course coming I don't [TS]

00:21:43   want to pre-announce anything from them [TS]

00:21:45   ios7 presumably iOS 8 their software [TS]

00:21:48   like Microsoft Office [TS]

00:21:49   the adobe creative suite apples pro apps [TS]

00:21:52   i've learned a lot of logic stuff for [TS]

00:21:54   example by which I use to edit this [TS]

00:21:56   podcast by looking at lynda.com and when [TS]

00:21:59   I'm build our website i learned about [TS]

00:22:00   responsive design there are all sorts of [TS]

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00:22:05   other web design stuff they're all the [TS]

00:22:07   way down to business stuff [TS]

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00:22:55   incomparable what did you whisper what [TS]

00:22:57   made you rich quit it was later on where [TS]

00:22:59   they're getting onto this airship that [TS]

00:23:02   is crewed by pirates and all kinds of [TS]

00:23:04   real tough guys and they're going to go [TS]

00:23:05   off and do some some crazy tough-guy [TS]

00:23:08   stuff and the main character who's at [TS]

00:23:11   that point we were hearing the story [TS]

00:23:13   from his perspective is talking about [TS]

00:23:14   why there are no women on the ship [TS]

00:23:16   because the fair sex really shouldn't be [TS]

00:23:18   out in this kind of just kind of stuff [TS]

00:23:20   except there's one woman already on the [TS]

00:23:22   ship because she was already a member of [TS]

00:23:24   the Pirates but strangely the first time [TS]

00:23:26   he met her she tried to seduce him and [TS]

00:23:28   christy is like Lady origami whoa you [TS]

00:23:32   know [TS]

00:23:33   no this is good they're going to be no [TS]

00:23:35   other characters that I can relate to at [TS]

00:23:37   all I mean I enjoyed enjoyed reading the [TS]

00:23:39   bit of the book that I did until I got [TS]

00:23:41   to that point because it was fun [TS]

00:23:42   actually the most powerful character in [TS]

00:23:44   the book is a woman yes and I didn't [TS]

00:23:47   pick that up at the beginning but that [TS]

00:23:49   yeah I was a little too late sort of [TS]

00:23:51   things yeah I got something something [TS]

00:23:53   that is the perspective of the character [TS]

00:23:55   versus the perspective of the book and [TS]

00:23:56   since it's set in this old reality [TS]

00:23:58   twenties the fact that this guy might [TS]

00:24:00   actually be a sexist pig is like well I [TS]

00:24:02   could kind of get that [TS]

00:24:03   I don't know absolutely yeah I have no [TS]

00:24:05   true i have no problem with characters [TS]

00:24:06   in books having different opinions for [TS]

00:24:09   me that's fine but the fact that this [TS]

00:24:10   was one of the main characters and there [TS]

00:24:13   was clearly going to be a pretty [TS]

00:24:14   significant part of the plotline [TS]

00:24:16   centering around this airship and what [TS]

00:24:18   was going on there to recognize that it [TS]

00:24:21   was just gonna be one big sausage party [TS]

00:24:24   is going well um yeah that's not really [TS]

00:24:27   what i mean when i signed up your so [TS]

00:24:28   yeah I will I will pass so I read the [TS]

00:24:31   whole thing and I thought it was [TS]

00:24:31   confidently done and you know i haven't [TS]

00:24:33   read enough sci-fi novels this year to [TS]

00:24:35   say definitively that it wasn't one of [TS]

00:24:37   the five best but I have a hard time [TS]

00:24:38   believing it was able to fight wasn't [TS]

00:24:40   one of the five guys it's fine i mean it [TS]

00:24:43   wasn't awful was not as your ship but [TS]

00:24:46   why couldn't they are there Zeppelin's [TS]

00:24:48   yes there are gotta check for clear [TS]

00:24:51   career but I mean for people who would [TS]

00:24:53   say oh well you know i'm not going to [TS]

00:24:54   read these books that are nominated by [TS]

00:24:56   this late and all that we read it and [TS]

00:24:58   you know it was fine it was fine [TS]

00:25:00   whose phone again i will probably come [TS]

00:25:01   back to it if if i have time I'm [TS]

00:25:04   actually kind of intrigued by the first [TS]

00:25:05   two books i probably won't read them [TS]

00:25:06   having jumped in book 3 but I like i [TS]

00:25:08   said i kind of like some of the word [TS]

00:25:09   world building here especially that I [TS]

00:25:11   think he did absolutely it's a [TS]

00:25:12   well-crafted a well-crafted world and I [TS]

00:25:14   kind of wanted to play a little bit more [TS]

00:25:16   in it which is why i was i think extra [TS]

00:25:18   rayji when I got to that point it's like [TS]

00:25:20   really i've been having fun here you [TS]

00:25:22   know and now Phil and if this were the [TS]

00:25:24   first book i probably would have read [TS]

00:25:26   the second and third book since I've [TS]

00:25:28   read the third book I don't really feel [TS]

00:25:29   that I need to read the first and second [TS]

00:25:31   because I know it's gonna get ya wanna [TS]

00:25:33   know what the revelations are the first [TS]

00:25:34   things look so yeah you read the first [TS]

00:25:37   book and then guess what happens in [TS]

00:25:38   between that's what we call that the [TS]

00:25:41   Monte the full Monte actually know [TS]

00:25:45   you're going to get a partial Monty [TS]

00:25:46   wouldn't ya fractionally because you [TS]

00:25:48   don't read the middle alright let's [TS]

00:25:51   let's move on so on author who has been [TS]

00:25:54   a participant in every single one of [TS]

00:25:56   these is mirrored Grant who was [TS]

00:25:57   nominated again this for her new trilogy [TS]

00:25:59   which is the parapsychology trilogy [TS]

00:26:03   because we put an interview / last last [TS]

00:26:05   year and the mirror grant is back [TS]

00:26:08   this of course is the pen name for Shawn [TS]

00:26:10   Maguire who has written a lot of other [TS]

00:26:11   stuff too but she writes under mira [TS]

00:26:13   grant this series uh [TS]

00:26:15   books just as you did the newsflash [TS]

00:26:17   series which is about zombies and [TS]

00:26:18   bloggers and this was parasite now I [TS]

00:26:21   scott and i have been on the record as [TS]

00:26:23   not liking mrs. Graham's work in the [TS]

00:26:25   past i'm not sure that came across yeah [TS]

00:26:28   I guess it'll be subtle about it i think [TS]

00:26:31   don't mince words bones what do you [TS]

00:26:33   really think but Erica had did you i [TS]

00:26:36   know you i saw that you took it out from [TS]

00:26:38   the library i did so do you have [TS]

00:26:40   thoughts about parasite back to be [TS]

00:26:43   really really liked it [TS]

00:26:45   I I as a matter of fact I read the [TS]

00:26:47   excess blood guess is over i'm i'm just [TS]

00:26:52   so merrily kicked off you can [TS]

00:26:54   comfortable it's nice talking to you [TS]

00:26:55   guys we had one rule no go ahead [TS]

00:26:58   I i hate to say someone's opinion is [TS]

00:27:00   wrong hugo nominees all stick together [TS]

00:27:03   oh that's right fixity i read the [TS]

00:27:08   excerpt and I wanted so badly to keep on [TS]

00:27:11   reading that I immediately the next day [TS]

00:27:12   went out and checked out the book from [TS]

00:27:14   the library and i will say that i [TS]

00:27:16   genuinely loved about the first half of [TS]

00:27:19   it and then things started changing and [TS]

00:27:21   stuff started happening a little bit [TS]

00:27:23   fast and furious and I didn't that I [TS]

00:27:25   wasn't quite as on board for the second [TS]

00:27:27   half of it but I still enjoyed it a lot [TS]

00:27:28   and i would say that of all of the the [TS]

00:27:31   books and the bits of the books and [TS]

00:27:32   novels and novellas and novelists that [TS]

00:27:35   I've read that and ancillary justice are [TS]

00:27:37   the two that like when I wasn't reading [TS]

00:27:39   them i wish i was reading them and I [TS]

00:27:41   think actually even more than ancillary [TS]

00:27:43   justice parasite has popped into my head [TS]

00:27:46   afterwards I mean I'm sure you guys wish [TS]

00:27:48   you hadn't had dogs on the site i'm [TS]

00:27:51   wishing I hadn't read it simply so that [TS]

00:27:52   i could read it again ah so you're so [TS]

00:27:56   here's what I'd say is I see a [TS]

00:27:59   progression I've said this and when we [TS]

00:28:00   read the third newsflash book i see a [TS]

00:28:01   progression in these books where I feel [TS]

00:28:03   like she is a better writer every time [TS]

00:28:04   out i think i think the quality of the [TS]

00:28:07   writing was much better here I thought a [TS]

00:28:10   lot there are still things that bugged [TS]

00:28:12   me about her style i still feel like she [TS]

00:28:15   could really use a good editor because i [TS]

00:28:18   think that there's redundancy I think [TS]

00:28:20   there's too much kind of stuff that [TS]

00:28:22   happens that is on just totally [TS]

00:28:25   unnecessary what I said about one of the [TS]

00:28:26   newsflash books is like literally when [TS]

00:28:28   we [TS]

00:28:28   going from one end of the building to [TS]

00:28:29   another and nothing happens in between [TS]

00:28:30   but we're going to walk you through [TS]

00:28:32   every quarter that happens I feel like [TS]

00:28:34   there's still some of that and it's very [TS]

00:28:37   chatty which I don't I don't love i [TS]

00:28:39   think if you if you really fall into [TS]

00:28:40   liking that voice [TS]

00:28:42   it works better and it kind of graded on [TS]

00:28:44   me at times but i think i think this is [TS]

00:28:47   so much better than feed my big my [TS]

00:28:50   biggest problem with it is that I feel [TS]

00:28:52   like she wrote the entire book expecting [TS]

00:28:54   that the ending would be a surprise and [TS]

00:28:56   it's obvious from the first sentence if [TS]

00:28:58   not from the book cover what the story [TS]

00:29:01   is going to be and I felt like either it [TS]

00:29:03   either she should do the won't commit to [TS]

00:29:05   one or the other but in it didn't work [TS]

00:29:08   for me because I felt like the entire [TS]

00:29:10   way through [TS]

00:29:11   um I I felt like she thought I was dumb [TS]

00:29:13   so dumb that I wasn't going to figure [TS]

00:29:15   out what was going on when it will see I [TS]

00:29:17   didn't like that at all [TS]

00:29:19   I got it I I really thought that she [TS]

00:29:22   didn't think that she was thinking she [TS]

00:29:24   was going to be surprising the reader i [TS]

00:29:26   just got that was the character who [TS]

00:29:27   surprised at the end and all the way [TS]

00:29:30   along that it was like we as their [TS]

00:29:31   readers were in on the joke and we're [TS]

00:29:33   just watching this poor soul which I [TS]

00:29:35   that is the biggest reason that I like [TS]

00:29:37   this book was this this main character [TS]

00:29:39   this out of all of the things that i [TS]

00:29:40   have read this year and not even just [TS]

00:29:42   for the Hugo's this is the character [TS]

00:29:44   that was to me the most well-realized [TS]

00:29:45   most like a real person she reacted to [TS]

00:29:49   things the way that I do and maybe then [TS]

00:29:51   people i know do she spoke the way my [TS]

00:29:53   friends talk this was this was a person [TS]

00:29:55   I could picture actually you know [TS]

00:29:57   meeting and knowing and you know maybe [TS]

00:29:59   that's not the most fantastical thing in [TS]

00:30:01   the world but it definitely makes for a [TS]

00:30:03   better reading experience for me I [TS]

00:30:04   really I connected with the character [TS]

00:30:07   and I think as I said on our television [TS]

00:30:09   wrap-up episode for me that's what the [TS]

00:30:11   the most important thing is to have a [TS]

00:30:13   character that i can convert for that I [TS]

00:30:15   can get behind i can connect to in some [TS]

00:30:17   way I think you need better friends [TS]

00:30:20   oh all this guy wow ok let it flow let [TS]

00:30:26   us let us live as a kid I did not enjoy [TS]

00:30:30   this book i read the whole thing I [TS]

00:30:34   i did also get a like Jason was saying [TS]

00:30:38   that I thought the ending was supposed [TS]

00:30:40   to be a surprise at which makes no sense [TS]

00:30:42   and i thought all the characters who [TS]

00:30:44   couldn't figure it out who are supposed [TS]

00:30:47   to be these experts on parasites and you [TS]

00:30:50   know epidemiology and all this all this [TS]

00:30:53   stuff and they couldn't figure out what [TS]

00:30:54   was going on here what are you talking [TS]

00:30:55   about they do it before the end of the [TS]

00:30:57   book she will be only one cell was the [TS]

00:31:00   only character who didn't know and she [TS]

00:31:03   should have known because it is a hot as [TS]

00:31:05   if you've ever been through a really [TS]

00:31:07   truly traumatic experience you would not [TS]

00:31:09   say that [TS]

00:31:10   well i have read their grant book so [TS]

00:31:12   does that time my I was waiting for the [TS]

00:31:16   time i'm i'm i'm more on Scott side here [TS]

00:31:19   I have to admit I feel like everybody [TS]

00:31:21   seems to be too many steps behind here [TS]

00:31:24   and that it feels like it's trying to be [TS]

00:31:26   a little more clever than it actually is [TS]

00:31:27   when we get to the when we get to that [TS]

00:31:29   point i do again see this is all a [TS]

00:31:32   matter of degree I I you know the [TS]

00:31:34   blistering hate I I felt for feed i do [TS]

00:31:36   not feel for parasite she's a better [TS]

00:31:38   writer than she was [TS]

00:31:40   it's it you're I think you're right [TS]

00:31:41   Erica that this character has a very [TS]

00:31:43   clear voice I don't I don't have the [TS]

00:31:45   voice like i said is that are really is [TS]

00:31:48   her writing style I i'm not a fan of it [TS]

00:31:50   I I think it's a great grates on me I [TS]

00:31:53   have to say I think that we're we're [TS]

00:31:55   that's where Scott is coming from but [TS]

00:31:56   said like left slightly less of a [TS]

00:31:58   misanthrope than Scott obviously is that [TS]

00:32:02   is also true the also have a problem [TS]

00:32:05   with some of the hand waving that I've [TS]

00:32:06   seen the same stunts in the previous [TS]

00:32:08   books there's a lot of like my dad works [TS]

00:32:11   for the government doing government do [TS]

00:32:12   things and all that we're sort of like [TS]

00:32:14   there's big organizations that are doing [TS]

00:32:16   shadowy things and they just happened to [TS]

00:32:18   be super important to the plot but it's [TS]

00:32:21   a coincidence that this all happened and [TS]

00:32:23   I you know I i rolled my eyes at some of [TS]

00:32:25   that because it's very I feel like she's [TS]

00:32:27   got the nut of an interesting idea here [TS]

00:32:29   I actually do think it's a really [TS]

00:32:30   interesting idea i actually like the [TS]

00:32:31   world building here even more than I [TS]

00:32:34   liked it a news flash which I thought [TS]

00:32:36   the best thing about news flash was the [TS]

00:32:37   world she built I i think that there's a [TS]

00:32:40   lot of detail here that's interesting i [TS]

00:32:42   think the way that the story is is is [TS]

00:32:44   pulled out like I said I I think [TS]

00:32:47   I felt like she needed an editor and I I [TS]

00:32:49   I felt like we were way too far ahead of [TS]

00:32:53   the characters but it happened I've [TS]

00:32:55   never actually read anything else by her [TS]

00:32:57   this was my first my first experience [TS]

00:32:59   reading any of her books under any name [TS]

00:33:01   of any time so I didn't really have [TS]

00:33:03   anything to compare it to [TS]

00:33:04   and I and I guess the the hand waving in [TS]

00:33:08   the Big Show shadowy government [TS]

00:33:10   machinations and stuff that is 22 to use [TS]

00:33:15   the phrase it's kind of in my butter [TS]

00:33:16   zone so no no I think so i really didn't [TS]

00:33:20   have a problem with that actually was it [TS]

00:33:21   was just kind of like candy to me I just [TS]

00:33:23   sort of left the whole thing up because [TS]

00:33:25   all of that stuff I i very much enjoy a [TS]

00:33:27   novel that i can just sit down and read [TS]

00:33:29   and I'm just excited about what what the [TS]

00:33:31   people are going to do next not [TS]

00:33:32   something somebody what happens next [TS]

00:33:34   which is why that the second half of the [TS]

00:33:36   book sort of went downhill for me i [TS]

00:33:40   agree with a character meets meets his [TS]

00:33:42   mother and then all of a sudden eat [TS]

00:33:44   things just started happening a little [TS]

00:33:45   bit fast for me I I actually told my [TS]

00:33:48   wife halfway through I don't know I kind [TS]

00:33:51   of think this book is ok I don't know [TS]

00:33:53   what's going on here and then i read the [TS]

00:33:54   second half was like yeah no that's [TS]

00:33:56   because everybody was 11 part of this [TS]

00:34:00   book that infuriated me that ruins the [TS]

00:34:03   whole book for me and perhaps it without [TS]

00:34:05   this scene i would not dislike it so [TS]

00:34:07   much but is when they are driving across [TS]

00:34:10   the golden gate bridge and they can make [TS]

00:34:13   a phone call because they're in a [TS]

00:34:14   Faraday cage which is not true your cell [TS]

00:34:18   phone works on a bridge it does and then [TS]

00:34:21   the there's some kind of tracking device [TS]

00:34:24   on that does work but their cellphones [TS]

00:34:26   don't that makes no sense and just truly [TS]

00:34:28   the other way around they were blocking [TS]

00:34:29   the tracking device and then suddenly [TS]

00:34:31   the cell phone rings and they gotta call [TS]

00:34:33   it was like why is that they were using [TS]

00:34:34   bluetooth so it was like what this is [TS]

00:34:35   none of this makes sense and you'll give [TS]

00:34:37   me peace [TS]

00:34:38   these basic things how can I trust [TS]

00:34:41   anything that you're trying to spin in [TS]

00:34:43   these books and just drove me crazy [TS]

00:34:45   well I will say this for her she she has [TS]

00:34:49   young female protagonist and all of her [TS]

00:34:51   novels and the voice is very strong in [TS]

00:34:53   all of those characters and I can see [TS]

00:34:55   why she has fans presumably a lot of [TS]

00:34:58   fans in that demographic because that's [TS]

00:34:59   she's good at that [TS]

00:35:01   that'sthat's she totally that is what [TS]

00:35:02   these books are all about and and it's [TS]

00:35:04   too bad her other books are about [TS]

00:35:05   zombies could you not care about that [TS]

00:35:07   and bloggers zombies and bloggers and [TS]

00:35:10   how they make great tastes that taste [TS]

00:35:12   great together [TS]

00:35:13   zombie ish sort know they're much nicer [TS]

00:35:15   than zombies these tapeworms that are in [TS]

00:35:18   this book [TS]

00:35:19   Jason you'd you touched on another thing [TS]

00:35:21   that I really liked about it was just [TS]

00:35:22   sort of the idea behind this book I mean [TS]

00:35:25   even without spoiling anything at the [TS]

00:35:27   beginning this character has amnesia and [TS]

00:35:29   doesn't remember anything and I loved [TS]

00:35:30   thinking about what life would be like [TS]

00:35:34   with absolutely no past having to [TS]

00:35:35   relearn everything from scratch and it [TS]

00:35:37   just that idea has haunted me ever since [TS]

00:35:39   I read this book actually that was my [TS]

00:35:41   favorite thing about about the book was [TS]

00:35:43   that the main character is trying really [TS]

00:35:46   hard to live down this other person who [TS]

00:35:48   she was not who is this who was in her [TS]

00:35:51   in her body but you know she's got to [TS]

00:35:55   live down all the stupid things that [TS]

00:35:56   that that that the previous tenant of [TS]

00:35:58   this body did I I thought that was [TS]

00:36:01   pretty cool [TS]

00:36:02   yeah like I said it haunts me i didn't i [TS]

00:36:04   didn't really buy the whole oh she's six [TS]

00:36:07   years old and she doesn't know anything [TS]

00:36:08   yeah she's learned in six years but then [TS]

00:36:10   she knows all these phrases that she [TS]

00:36:12   some phrases she is perplexing to her [TS]

00:36:15   but other phrases like colloquial [TS]

00:36:16   phrases she knows and she and i found i [TS]

00:36:20   find mirror grant has these she likes to [TS]

00:36:22   write about these weird uncomfortable [TS]

00:36:24   sexual relationships and that i styled [TS]

00:36:27   like this the this woman who is [TS]

00:36:29   basically we're told has the the [TS]

00:36:32   mentality of a six-year-old although she [TS]

00:36:34   is a legal of legal age has a very [TS]

00:36:37   intense relationship with her boyfriend [TS]

00:36:38   which I found uncomfortable and her [TS]

00:36:40   parents find it uncomfortable to so I [TS]

00:36:42   thought that was good but I was just [TS]

00:36:44   like this kind of gross [TS]

00:36:45   yeah yeah I didn't find it gross because [TS]

00:36:47   she didn't have the mentality of 60 know [TS]

00:36:50   that the the personal history of a [TS]

00:36:52   six-year-old the the again again one of [TS]

00:36:55   the the problems I have with it is sort [TS]

00:36:57   of like they're people who are it's like [TS]

00:36:58   those movies that low budget movies [TS]

00:37:00   where they say he's in the military and [TS]

00:37:01   they don't specify what service and [TS]

00:37:03   maybe there's like a green jumpsuit and [TS]

00:37:05   it's like sure that's a uniform [TS]

00:37:06   it's a little bit like that where where [TS]

00:37:08   it's sort of like he isn't from the [TS]

00:37:10   military and he works for the government [TS]

00:37:11   and there's this big corporation and [TS]

00:37:13   then her boyfriend is [TS]

00:37:14   he's a he's a parapsychologist it's like [TS]

00:37:16   wow the 5 25 characters that you need to [TS]

00:37:19   have to tell this story are five [TS]

00:37:21   characters close to her [TS]

00:37:23   interesting right it's just it's it's [TS]

00:37:25   trains a little bit but you know you [TS]

00:37:27   ignore those things if it's working for [TS]

00:37:28   you and you don't and you pay very close [TS]

00:37:30   attention to them if it's not the spell [TS]

00:37:33   is broken and that is that's just how it [TS]

00:37:35   goes [TS]

00:37:36   it's true but I could understand how [TS]

00:37:37   someone would like this book yeah yeah I [TS]

00:37:39   in a way in a way I you know did you [TS]

00:37:41   agree with me Scott that there's some [TS]

00:37:43   progress here over the course of the the [TS]

00:37:45   Ark of my her grant i hope that i can [TS]

00:37:49   stop following me regret progress but [TS]

00:37:53   I'm i will say that she is getting [TS]

00:37:55   better [TS]

00:37:55   absolutely absolutely no doubt alright [TS]

00:37:58   well you know [TS]

00:37:58   ah ancillary justice is going to get my [TS]

00:38:01   vote here so and Scott's so it made and [TS]

00:38:06   mine [TS]

00:38:07   alright a parasite will be number two [TS]

00:38:09   however i'll put that although i'm gonna [TS]

00:38:12   have no award and parasite yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:16   yeah I i think i may actually go [TS]

00:38:18   insularity justice and then Neptune's [TS]

00:38:21   brood and then were bound and then [TS]

00:38:23   probably no award followed by parasite [TS]

00:38:25   in the wheel of time just go but no no [TS]

00:38:28   if you're voting no award don't put [TS]

00:38:30   anything underneath it or your votes [TS]

00:38:31   could actually go about things you put [TS]

00:38:33   under no award well be careful in the [TS]

00:38:34   way you vote for the hugo okay fair [TS]

00:38:36   enough [TS]

00:38:36   night I just like to put things below [TS]

00:38:38   know a word because i feel like it looks [TS]

00:38:39   like an extra burn but yeah definitely [TS]

00:38:42   not expecting that you might actually [TS]

00:38:44   end up voting for them because that's [TS]

00:38:46   how the mathworks yeah it's tricky [TS]

00:38:49   who's speaking of how the mathworks I [TS]

00:38:50   just want to make a little plea to [TS]

00:38:52   everybody who can vote to vote for all [TS]

00:38:54   of the quote-unquote like little or [TS]

00:38:55   second half category so you know yeah an [TS]

00:38:58   artist and writer all of those things [TS]

00:38:59   this is going to be the biggest worldcon [TS]

00:39:01   in history and if a category in Hugo's [TS]

00:39:04   does not get at least twenty-five [TS]

00:39:05   percent of the voting numbers like not [TS]

00:39:08   twenty-five percent of the people who [TS]

00:39:09   vote for anything have to vote for each [TS]

00:39:12   category in order for it to be carried [TS]

00:39:14   over so you know look for the best fan [TS]

00:39:16   artist or say best fancast do not even [TS]

00:39:18   have an award put forward because not [TS]

00:39:20   enough people voted in the category if I [TS]

00:39:23   want to take a break to tell you about [TS]

00:39:24   something that you should try audiobooks [TS]

00:39:27   listen to a podcast right now podcasts [TS]

00:39:29   are great ways to hear people like us [TS]

00:39:31   talking about things that you're [TS]

00:39:32   interested in [TS]

00:39:32   but you know you got to leave a little [TS]

00:39:34   time for fiction in your life and that's [TS]

00:39:36   where audio books can be great there is [TS]

00:39:37   also great nonfiction that comes in book [TS]

00:39:39   form things that people have taken a lot [TS]

00:39:41   of time trust me [TS]

00:39:42   take it from me writing is hard you want [TS]

00:39:44   to write really well and then you know [TS]

00:39:46   people want to listen to your stuff [TS]

00:39:48   instead of read it what do you do put in [TS]

00:39:50   an audiobook there's lots of great audio [TS]

00:39:52   books out there lots of great sci-fi [TS]

00:39:53   stuff [TS]

00:39:54   this episode is about the hugo nominees [TS]

00:39:56   so i went back and i was looking at some [TS]

00:39:58   favorites that you can check out embassy [TS]

00:40:01   town by China Mieville we talked about [TS]

00:40:02   on the previous show it was a hugo [TS]

00:40:04   nominee medieval city in the city which [TS]

00:40:06   we talk about our I think our very first [TS]

00:40:08   episode there's a great audiobook of [TS]

00:40:10   that the george RR martin game of [TS]

00:40:11   thrones stuff Dance with Dragons was a [TS]

00:40:13   hugo nominee a few years ago [TS]

00:40:14   those are all available to audiobooks [TS]

00:40:16   you should give them a try and there's a [TS]

00:40:17   great place that I want to tell you [TS]

00:40:18   about where you can get started and it [TS]

00:40:21   is www.triadruvo.com that's that simple [TS]

00:40:27   www tryout books.com / incomparable do [TS]

00:40:32   that and I'll know that we send you [TS]

00:40:34   there and you can find different stuff [TS]

00:40:36   that you like that site has got a lot of [TS]

00:40:38   different suggestions in a bunch of [TS]

00:40:39   different genres if there's something [TS]

00:40:41   you want to listen to while you're [TS]

00:40:41   cooking or in the garden they put it out [TS]

00:40:44   there sort of by like what mood you're [TS]

00:40:45   in it's a really clever idea try [TS]

00:40:47   audiobooks so you should try audiobooks [TS]

00:40:52   visit www.triadruvo.com / incomparable [TS]

00:40:57   today check out the China Mieville [TS]

00:40:59   checkout george RR martin checkout [TS]

00:41:01   douglas adams is just so many things to [TS]

00:41:03   try and if you haven't listened to an [TS]

00:41:05   audiobook before you should really give [TS]

00:41:07   it a go [TS]

00:41:08   it's a totally different way to read a [TS]

00:41:10   book and i encourage you to check it out [TS]

00:41:12   so thank you so much to try audiobooks [TS]

00:41:15   dot-com for sponsoring the incomparable [TS]

00:41:17   ah let us move on and what should we do [TS]

00:41:23   should we let's touch on the let's let's [TS]

00:41:25   shift gears for a moment in touch about [TS]

00:41:26   that on the retro Hugo novels while we [TS]

00:41:28   can just get ready David and Monty into [TS]

00:41:31   the conversation briefly the you're [TS]

00:41:34   dismissed before you will be sent to the [TS]

00:41:36   cornfield again the the retro Hugo's [TS]

00:41:39   from 1939 [TS]

00:41:41   personal venus by edgar rice burroughs [TS]

00:41:42   galactic patrol by e smith the Legion of [TS]

00:41:45   time by jack williamson out of the [TS]

00:41:47   silent planet by CS lewis and the sword [TS]

00:41:49   in the stone by th white I've read three [TS]

00:41:51   of those but but two of them when i was [TS]

00:41:54   a teenager and only galactic patrol and [TS]

00:41:56   i read recently Monty what do you what [TS]

00:41:59   do you think about the retro Hugo novels [TS]

00:42:02   well first I think that sword in the [TS]

00:42:04   stone should not have been nominated as [TS]

00:42:06   it is part of a larger book it doesn't [TS]

00:42:10   get published separately anymore its [TS]

00:42:11   kind of the opposite of the wheel of [TS]

00:42:13   time situation [TS]

00:42:14   alright huh because it's part of once [TS]

00:42:17   and future king right i also think it's [TS]

00:42:20   probably going to win because world [TS]

00:42:22   congress in London and it's hard to get [TS]

00:42:24   more london e10 nature Kate right plus [TS]

00:42:29   that's one that people have heard of [TS]

00:42:31   yes they're not trying very hard they [TS]

00:42:33   may just throw it on there yeah there [TS]

00:42:34   was a Disney movie made of this book [TS]

00:42:36   instead of a witch reading the book it [TS]

00:42:40   made sense to me because i did not much [TS]

00:42:42   like it it's really goofy but a lot of [TS]

00:42:46   the humor comes from anachronism but the [TS]

00:42:49   anachronism no longer work on me because [TS]

00:42:52   there's things like referring to two [TS]

00:42:55   nights as though they are British public [TS]

00:42:57   schoolboys in the nineteen thirties [TS]

00:42:59   which when you read it as a British [TS]

00:43:02   person in nineteen thirties you get a [TS]

00:43:04   fun contradiction thereof oh they're old [TS]

00:43:07   tiny people but they're behaving like [TS]

00:43:09   modern times but to me reading it in [TS]

00:43:12   2014 it's old-timey people behaving [TS]

00:43:15   slightly less old timely there's a lot [TS]

00:43:19   of the humor in that book i thought what [TS]

00:43:21   what else well struck your fancy here [TS]

00:43:24   well I really like galactic patrol I [TS]

00:43:27   thought it was super fun space opera and [TS]

00:43:30   I can really see where green lantern [TS]

00:43:33   came from [TS]

00:43:34   yeah yeah it's you know the lensman [TS]

00:43:38   books I've never read I've read about [TS]

00:43:39   them and I read galactic patrol and it [TS]

00:43:42   was very clear to me reading at how this [TS]

00:43:45   sort of stuff [TS]

00:43:46   first off I saw the line from this to [TS]

00:43:48   something like foundation [TS]

00:43:49   oh yeah we're we're which was written [TS]

00:43:51   what 10 years later he's [TS]

00:43:54   of 10-12 years later not that long [TS]

00:43:56   really in the grand scheme of things [TS]

00:43:57   where there are no characters and [TS]

00:44:01   there's just sort of playing out of plot [TS]

00:44:02   there's no characters and it's all about [TS]

00:44:05   like ideas about crazy things that will [TS]

00:44:07   happen and it in details of how engines [TS]

00:44:10   that are totally made-up work and stuff [TS]

00:44:12   like that that's very much like you know [TS]

00:44:14   it's about engineering and about actions [TS]

00:44:17   and big dreams and not about sort of [TS]

00:44:19   like human beings at all but I you know [TS]

00:44:22   I i also felt like I could I could see [TS]

00:44:25   how this influence if it didn't [TS]

00:44:26   influence gene roddenberry directly it [TS]

00:44:28   influenced the people who influenced [TS]

00:44:30   Gene Roddenberry and the other people [TS]

00:44:32   who made Star Trek because it has that [TS]

00:44:34   feel in terms of a lot of the [TS]

00:44:35   terminology is about screens and beams [TS]

00:44:38   and things like that that are exactly [TS]

00:44:40   the words that are used in in the [TS]

00:44:41   original Star Trek my copy of galactic [TS]

00:44:44   patrol says this on the cover de doc [TS]

00:44:46   smith galactic patrol the famous legend [TS]

00:44:49   series and then at the bottom of the [TS]

00:44:51   coverage says spaceships and space [TS]

00:44:53   pirates represent a cure infant of what [TS]

00:44:58   you're getting [TS]

00:44:59   well yeah you read that you go boy [TS]

00:45:01   spaceships and space pirates this book [TS]

00:45:04   delivers yep it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:45:07   attend yeah you could say that they're [TS]

00:45:09   not really pirates but you know are the [TS]

00:45:12   accounts there there is very little [TS]

00:45:16   discussion of the galaxy wide economy [TS]

00:45:19   yes i did think it was really [TS]

00:45:21   interesting that this one book [TS]

00:45:22   practically in the first two pages named [TS]

00:45:25   two giant science fiction conventions [TS]

00:45:28   because you have the planet of mosque [TS]

00:45:30   own which is a giant science fiction [TS]

00:45:33   convention in boston and you also have [TS]

00:45:35   the planet of arise iya which is another [TS]

00:45:38   giant science fiction college now I [TS]

00:45:41   Erica we're talking about use of female [TS]

00:45:45   characters and Larry Correia book I I [TS]

00:45:47   have good news for you huh [TS]

00:45:49   there-there there-there is well there's [TS]

00:45:52   one female character in galactic patrol [TS]

00:45:54   she's nurse and arrange the love [TS]

00:45:57   interest [TS]

00:45:59   oh my heart hurts she's she's actually [TS]

00:46:02   quite good at her job but ok but her but [TS]

00:46:05   large portions of job are being held [TS]

00:46:07   hostage [TS]

00:46:07   yeah well she's not just letters she [TS]

00:46:09   also gets mad at the hero in a scene I [TS]

00:46:12   kind of liked where were just told [TS]

00:46:15   straight up this guy's to heroic to be a [TS]

00:46:17   good patient so he's going to be a huge [TS]

00:46:19   jerk to you [TS]

00:46:20   yeah just what she says yeah we get that [TS]

00:46:23   a lot military nurse and then that's [TS]

00:46:25   exactly how it plays out [TS]

00:46:26   yes but the hell yeah yeah yeah and and [TS]

00:46:30   the the moment that really struck me as [TS]

00:46:31   early on there's the link the graduation [TS]

00:46:33   ceremony for the people at the lensman [TS]

00:46:35   Academy where it's the top thousand [TS]

00:46:37   people from around the world [TS]

00:46:39   well let me rephrase that the top [TS]

00:46:41   thousand men from around the world [TS]

00:46:42   because it's all men and then at the end [TS]

00:46:44   literally they graduate and are taken to [TS]

00:46:47   a secret room where they're going to be [TS]

00:46:49   given and I kid you not [TS]

00:46:50   the the smoking implement of their [TS]

00:46:52   choice and then told all the secrets of [TS]

00:46:55   the galaxy and I'm like wow we well I i [TS]

00:46:58   think there's probably some mahogany in [TS]

00:47:00   that room and perhaps some senator had [TS]

00:47:03   or yeah it's important it is and I think [TS]

00:47:06   maybe some wildlife heads mounted on [TS]

00:47:08   nothing's on the was just gonna say yeah [TS]

00:47:10   many leather-bound tones so it feels it [TS]

00:47:13   it feels really 75 years old and I but [TS]

00:47:18   the king bed there's just no characters [TS]

00:47:20   it is literally like and then this [TS]

00:47:22   happened and then this happened and then [TS]

00:47:23   this happened and I you know it was I [TS]

00:47:26   read the whole thing which i didn't [TS]

00:47:28   think i would do and it was pretty short [TS]

00:47:31   yeah well I don't know Margie it felt [TS]

00:47:33   like it went on forever but I I can [TS]

00:47:37   totally see how this was influential in [TS]

00:47:40   a and you know in in what came after [TS]

00:47:44   even though it seemed you know yeah [TS]

00:47:46   there are spaceships and space pirates [TS]

00:47:48   that's totally true and there's a guy [TS]

00:47:49   who is really a genius and can figure [TS]

00:47:53   out anything like literally the main [TS]

00:47:55   character can figure out anything and [TS]

00:47:57   does figure out everything in the entire [TS]

00:48:00   book [TS]

00:48:01   yep [TS]

00:48:02   then there's another very British entry [TS]

00:48:06   CS Lewis's out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:09   yep which is described here as first in [TS]

00:48:11   the celebrated space trilogy and I think [TS]

00:48:14   it says something about how old this [TS]

00:48:15   book is that you could just make the [TS]

00:48:17   trilogy the space trilogy yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:48:21   and how celebrated was it that I haven't [TS]

00:48:23   heard of it so so this might my [TS]

00:48:25   experience with out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:26   is that i read the entire Narnia series [TS]

00:48:28   and I'm out wait a second you mean I [TS]

00:48:30   love science fiction even more than [TS]

00:48:31   fantasy you mean CS lewis wrote [TS]

00:48:33   science-fiction novels let me Adam and I [TS]

00:48:36   rid of some plan my win [TS]

00:48:37   yeah yeah that is not without its [TS]

00:48:41   pleasant and I mean I i read all three [TS]

00:48:44   because my mother loved them and and you [TS]

00:48:46   know being CS lewis they're drenched in [TS]

00:48:48   theology [TS]

00:48:49   oh yeah and so out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:52   has a plot where the second book does [TS]

00:48:56   not and then the third book is like this [TS]

00:49:00   weird dystopian Orwellian fantasy set in [TS]

00:49:03   England which is really good i love the [TS]

00:49:06   third book i didn't really feel like I [TS]

00:49:08   had to have read the first two books to [TS]

00:49:10   get to that and the main character in [TS]

00:49:13   the first two books is sort of a [TS]

00:49:15   background character in the third one so [TS]

00:49:17   it's like just just go to that hideous [TS]

00:49:19   strength and don't worry about the first [TS]

00:49:22   two yeah the book involves somebody [TS]

00:49:27   being laborious Lee kidnapped to another [TS]

00:49:30   planet where he immediately the tapes [TS]

00:49:33   his evil captors [TS]

00:49:34   yep and then wanders around meeting [TS]

00:49:36   fairly interesting alien creatures like [TS]

00:49:39   yes I didn't like the book much but I [TS]

00:49:42   did like the effort that was put in to [TS]

00:49:44   make the alien societies really feel [TS]

00:49:47   different from Earth societies in both [TS]

00:49:52   both in this and perelandra they are two [TS]

00:49:57   of the only books are read where the [TS]

00:49:58   aliens feel truly alien [TS]

00:50:01   if that makes sense but there's no plot [TS]

00:50:05   and then later they're basically space [TS]

00:50:08   angels [TS]

00:50:09   yes ok so like a like a wrinkle in time [TS]

00:50:16   then [TS]

00:50:17   no but that had a lot yes thats good set [TS]

00:50:21   of your hot and people you really liked [TS]

00:50:23   my basement and more time with space [TS]

00:50:25   Angels had those space angels alright i [TS]

00:50:28   meant there are no earth women in out of [TS]

00:50:30   the silent planet but some of the aliens [TS]

00:50:33   are short of kind of female well okay [TS]

00:50:37   there you go nice so my name is the [TS]

00:50:40   bechdel Monty what's your what's your uh [TS]

00:50:42   judgment your phone for galactic patrol [TS]

00:50:44   I'm definitely voting for galactic [TS]

00:50:46   patrol it was the only one that I really [TS]

00:50:47   enjoyed reading 75 years is a long time [TS]

00:50:51   a lot of stuff just falls apart after 75 [TS]

00:50:53   years it is like say Carson of Venus by [TS]

00:50:57   mr. edgar rice burroughs now the story [TS]

00:51:01   of Carson of Venus is that he's a guy [TS]

00:51:02   who set out to Mars but took a wrong [TS]

00:51:05   turn and ended up on Venus instead we [TS]

00:51:08   took a wrong turn as it's in the other [TS]

00:51:10   director left a single Albuquerque is [TS]

00:51:12   weaker curve curve all the way back [TS]

00:51:14   around though I assumed that this was [TS]

00:51:16   going to be just like the Mars books but [TS]

00:51:19   cleverly transported to a different [TS]

00:51:21   planet but really it's a lot more like [TS]

00:51:24   the Tarzan books where Carson is the [TS]

00:51:28   white man dealing with all these the [TS]

00:51:31   newseum savages losted I did that like [TS]

00:51:37   in person sounds like Tarzan I mean yeah [TS]

00:51:42   not know what are off [TS]

00:51:44   yeah that that's like his his a his [TS]

00:51:47   agent or his publisher was like it [TS]

00:51:49   Eddie Eddie they love the Mars books the [TS]

00:51:51   books about mothers are great how about [TS]

00:51:52   Venus have you considered Venus why [TS]

00:51:55   don't make it like cars i did you take [TS]

00:51:57   the eight guy and put him on another [TS]

00:51:58   planet there you go [TS]

00:52:00   I know you don't want to move tardiness [TS]

00:52:01   you think that's unrealistic i would say [TS]

00:52:03   it's already listen whatever whatever [TS]

00:52:05   you say so how about how about we change [TS]

00:52:07   his name to Mars and no well but that [TS]

00:52:08   would be Mars yeah Bob cause cars and [TS]

00:52:11   Carson something like that do you [TS]

00:52:13   you working out here the writer alright [TS]

00:52:14   mr. Johnson [TS]

00:52:15   don't do that no I should point out that [TS]

00:52:18   the 13th Tarzan book is called Tarzan at [TS]

00:52:20   the Earth's core [TS]

00:52:21   yes goodnight [TS]

00:52:24   he's still on earth that time else times [TS]

00:52:28   anyway Jason yeah times those were times [TS]

00:52:30   that happened in the past 75 years ago [TS]

00:52:33   and the fifth book that's nominated that [TS]

00:52:36   i read and immediately fell out of my [TS]

00:52:40   brain with Jack Williamson's the Legion [TS]

00:52:42   of applies a great title [TS]

00:52:44   oh it sounds so great like the cover [TS]

00:52:47   says mankind was horribly doomed unless [TS]

00:52:50   an army of dead men could change the [TS]

00:52:52   past [TS]

00:52:53   wow you want to read that you open and [TS]

00:52:56   there's a blurb here that's all a [TS]

00:52:59   dazzling white beam of Raving energy [TS]

00:53:01   played on the chrony on burning and [TS]

00:53:03   killing where it struck and the battle [TS]

00:53:05   for the destiny of the world seemed over [TS]

00:53:06   before it had well begun but this book [TS]

00:53:11   blurbs great [TS]

00:53:13   yeah but it's pretty boring in my [TS]

00:53:18   opinion it's a yeah there are two [TS]

00:53:21   possible futures there's a good future [TS]

00:53:23   in the bad future and the future says a [TS]

00:53:25   woman back to convince our hero to go [TS]

00:53:28   with them and our hero eventually dies [TS]

00:53:32   and he swooped up to meet his dead [TS]

00:53:35   friends in a giant airship I said that [TS]

00:53:39   suggests that was really excited until [TS]

00:53:41   you got to the the dead guy being sweet [TS]

00:53:44   in an airship everything shot here [TS]

00:53:46   hey its way to say this podcast is over [TS]

00:53:50   and I just ripping us off man yeah it's [TS]

00:53:53   1938 airships just existed they weren't [TS]

00:53:57   cool and nostalgic or futuristic people [TS]

00:54:00   here now but but did people think that [TS]

00:54:01   when you die you you go to his aplin can [TS]

00:54:05   see right that's literally ology there's [TS]

00:54:07   a brief moment in time when that was [TS]

00:54:09   what everyone haha the future a good [TS]

00:54:12   future has a time machine and they're [TS]

00:54:14   doing and they're making a legion of all [TS]

00:54:16   the best people as soon as they die and [TS]

00:54:20   then the laugh of the book is a giant [TS]

00:54:21   fight and eventually the good people win [TS]

00:54:24   and the bad woman is subsumed into the [TS]

00:54:26   good woman [TS]

00:54:27   oh well as they were the same woman but [TS]

00:54:31   different futures twist this actually [TS]

00:54:34   feels kind of good except the step one [TS]

00:54:37   part so that so it's like it's like it's [TS]

00:54:40   sort of like River world in the sense [TS]

00:54:42   that they're kind of like taking a great [TS]

00:54:43   people from time [TS]

00:54:45   yeah after they die though that seems [TS]

00:54:47   questionable bring him back to life then [TS]

00:54:49   yeah what they do [TS]

00:54:50   yes well they can take it you can take [TS]

00:54:52   them before they died because that will [TS]

00:54:54   mess up the timeline now yeah oh yeah i [TS]

00:54:57   mean just let's kill hitler yeah you're [TS]

00:54:59   right you got you gotta wait we gotta [TS]

00:55:01   wait until that that last moment then [TS]

00:55:03   you kill them on a dyno and you bring it [TS]

00:55:05   back to life [TS]

00:55:06   it's an interesting idea and yeah it's [TS]

00:55:08   sort of like I wanted to take that plot [TS]

00:55:11   and put it into a lensman book I wanted [TS]

00:55:13   to just sort of combine them and go yeah [TS]

00:55:16   and this is what you could do with green [TS]

00:55:18   lantern star track but yeah it just [TS]

00:55:22   doesn't [TS]

00:55:23   I yea alright Robert Island kinda took [TS]

00:55:27   that concept for his last couple of [TS]

00:55:30   books [TS]

00:55:31   yeah yeah into sail beyond the sunset [TS]

00:55:33   you basically got all the characters [TS]

00:55:35   ever written about whether they died on [TS]

00:55:38   screen or now they're all living happily [TS]

00:55:41   in the future man that book drove me [TS]

00:55:43   nuts anyway that's a whole other story [TS]

00:55:47   alright is some any any final words [TS]

00:55:48   about the the past before we take our [TS]

00:55:51   own time machine and move back to the [TS]

00:55:52   present the only novella nominee that [TS]

00:55:56   I've heard of is Iran's and thumb and is [TS]

00:55:59   the only one that's still in print so i [TS]

00:56:00   think it will probably win regardless of [TS]

00:56:02   whether it deserves to our but isn't who [TS]

00:56:05   goes there what inspired the thing from [TS]

00:56:07   another world it is but it's foolishly [TS]

00:56:10   under the wrong name it was called [TS]

00:56:12   anything [TS]

00:56:13   and also it's a lid that the name on the [TS]

00:56:16   story is done a Stuart although [TS]

00:56:18   everybody knows it's john campbell the [TS]

00:56:21   only other category that i have any [TS]

00:56:23   awareness of really i mean obviously [TS]

00:56:26   recognize all the authors but dramatic [TS]

00:56:29   presentation short form they're all [TS]

00:56:31   radio shows [TS]

00:56:33   oh yeah four out of five of them are [TS]

00:56:35   Orson Welles shows [TS]

00:56:37   you have around the world in 80 days [TS]

00:56:39   which isn't really science fiction a [TS]

00:56:42   christmas carol which fantasy Dracula [TS]

00:56:47   and and then of course the War of the [TS]

00:56:50   Worlds it almost has to win a pretty [TS]

00:56:53   much and the only one that he had [TS]

00:56:56   nothing to do with was a BBC production [TS]

00:56:59   of are you are by karel capek which is [TS]

00:57:02   the play that originated the term robot [TS]

00:57:05   yeah so but yeah I if it's me i'm voting [TS]

00:57:09   for were the world's because that's the [TS]

00:57:11   only one that really it doesn't just [TS]

00:57:13   tell a really good story it it bends the [TS]

00:57:16   form and messes around with it and you [TS]

00:57:18   know it does something interesting with [TS]

00:57:20   the fact that it's a radio play so I [TS]

00:57:23   guess I do have a couple comments on the [TS]

00:57:25   bottom couple awards best van writer [TS]

00:57:28   almost anyone would be a good winner [TS]

00:57:31   except the guy who I think is guaranteed [TS]

00:57:32   to win [TS]

00:57:33   Forrest J Ackerman was very very [TS]

00:57:37   prolific and was a neat guy he would be [TS]

00:57:41   a fine winner Bob Tucker was very [TS]

00:57:44   prolific and a very influential fanzine [TS]

00:57:47   harry warner junior wrote one of my [TS]

00:57:48   favorite early fandom histories Donald a [TS]

00:57:51   Walheim not only started dog books but [TS]

00:57:55   also ran the future Ian's unfortunately [TS]

00:57:58   the fifth nominee for best fan writers [TS]

00:58:00   Ray Bradbury who did do some fan writing [TS]

00:58:05   but he was not as important a fan as [TS]

00:58:09   some of the other hand if buddy's right [TS]

00:58:11   Bradbury and in and best fanzine they're [TS]

00:58:16   all good nominees i'm hoping people will [TS]

00:58:18   vote for imagination just because [TS]

00:58:21   morocho was a very important early [TS]

00:58:24   female fan and I'd like to see her get [TS]

00:58:27   some more recognition [TS]

00:58:29   alright we're moving back to the present [TS]

00:58:31   now [TS]

00:58:32   nah there's an airship time machine you [TS]

00:58:36   will be [TS]

00:58:37   yeah you'll be bodily elevated into the [TS]

00:58:39   airship so we've got some other shorter [TS]

00:58:44   fiction here to talk about and I think [TS]

00:58:47   we should just go category by category a [TS]

00:58:49   lot of stuff is online [TS]

00:58:50   I'll try to put links in the show notes [TS]

00:58:51   if it is online uh let's start with the [TS]

00:58:56   novellas we'll just go go down in terms [TS]

00:58:58   of size from there I only read two of [TS]

00:59:02   the novellas i have the other three [TS]

00:59:04   still to go and this is I just ran out [TS]

00:59:06   of time i read the chaplains legacy by [TS]

00:59:10   Brad torgersen and a coid by charles [TS]

00:59:14   stross who else has novellas that they [TS]

00:59:17   that they read I read them all [TS]

00:59:19   you read them all well i did and Scott [TS]

00:59:22   did you read none or I read none [TS]

00:59:25   alright so it's me and Erica erica what [TS]

00:59:27   it's okay what did you like what were [TS]

00:59:29   the novellas you read that you liked [TS]

00:59:30   I quite like the chaplains legacy i [TS]

00:59:33   really liked it [TS]

00:59:34   yeah that was that was my favorite I [TS]

00:59:36   think of all of them and I feel like [TS]

00:59:37   bread torgersen again has been kind of [TS]

00:59:39   he was on that slate apparently he's [TS]

00:59:41   he's apparently very moderate political [TS]

00:59:43   and I read some of his blog the other [TS]

00:59:44   night after i read his stuff because I [TS]

00:59:46   was like oh boy I really enjoyed this [TS]

00:59:47   stuff is he a terrible person or what [TS]

00:59:49   it's like nobody actually seems he [TS]

00:59:51   actually seems to be a very reasonable [TS]

00:59:52   person and I feel bad for him actually [TS]

00:59:54   because his stuff is really good and I [TS]

00:59:56   worry people are gonna not vote for him [TS]

00:59:58   because he's considered part of the [TS]

00:59:58   because he's considered part of the [TS]

01:00:00   this group and I thought the chaplains [TS]

01:00:01   legacy was really a cool idea of it's [TS]

01:00:05   sort of a it's not quite a first contact [TS]

01:00:06   but it's a a sort of two humans and [TS]

01:00:10   alien most most important content most [TS]

01:00:12   important contacted a sort of [TS]

01:00:13   existential question about whether these [TS]

01:00:15   these uh the humans are going to stay [TS]

01:00:17   alive or not and the main character is [TS]

01:00:19   this fascinating guy who has a sort of [TS]

01:00:22   save the human race accidentally and now [TS]

01:00:25   has the opportunity to save them again [TS]

01:00:27   and he's a fascinating character who who [TS]

01:00:29   is not who you expect going in and I [TS]

01:00:31   thought that was I thought that was [TS]

01:00:33   really i thought it was really great [TS]

01:00:35   I i loved it i thought it was great and [TS]

01:00:37   I do I feel like I worry about the same [TS]

01:00:40   thing that you do about that slate but [TS]

01:00:42   the way that I look at it is maybe maybe [TS]

01:00:45   most of those authors that are on there [TS]

01:00:47   really had nothing to do with it and I [TS]

01:00:49   have a feeling that you know they just [TS]

01:00:50   their names got put on there for you [TS]

01:00:53   know whatever reason because of their [TS]

01:00:54   political leanings but they don't [TS]

01:00:57   necessarily have to lean very far to [TS]

01:00:59   have ended up on that and I was just I [TS]

01:01:01   was just happy to go in and read and [TS]

01:01:03   discovered that i really liked it he's a [TS]

01:01:04   good writer [TS]

01:01:05   yeah and the themes in it i mean it is [TS]

01:01:06   it is said in its military people and it [TS]

01:01:09   is a guy who has been tending a trip [TS]

01:01:12   they call him Papa Padre and he's been [TS]

01:01:14   tending this this this church on this [TS]

01:01:17   planet that is kind of coop i'd buy [TS]

01:01:20   these aliens and so you can easily say [TS]

01:01:22   oh he's in this late and it's about [TS]

01:01:23   religion in the end the military roll my [TS]

01:01:26   eyes I'm not going to bother and boy if [TS]

01:01:28   you do that you are missing out because [TS]

01:01:29   it is really great [TS]

01:01:32   yeah all right hi 5 woo woo you come [TS]

01:01:35   together on legacy let's forget about [TS]

01:01:38   those parasites [TS]

01:01:40   yeah but this pills you never forget [TS]

01:01:42   yeah what else what I'll strike you out [TS]

01:01:44   of the novellas um I also liked six-gun [TS]

01:01:48   snow white by a Catherine valente it was [TS]

01:01:51   I talking about the butter zone again i [TS]

01:01:55   really am just a sucker for stories that [TS]

01:01:57   take fairy tales and sort of turn them [TS]

01:01:58   on their ear in some ways and I know [TS]

01:02:00   that that has it's something that's been [TS]

01:02:01   done a lot lately but I am still okay [TS]

01:02:05   with it if it if it takes in a slightly [TS]

01:02:07   different direction and and this one did [TS]

01:02:08   it maybe didn't fascinate me in the [TS]

01:02:11   other world [TS]

01:02:12   way that the chaplains legacy did but I [TS]

01:02:14   i still thought it was a neat version it [TS]

01:02:17   was it took Snow White and made it sort [TS]

01:02:19   of a magical realism western and I [TS]

01:02:22   really don't like westerns so I think if [TS]

01:02:25   I like westerns this would have been the [TS]

01:02:27   top of my list but despite the fact that [TS]

01:02:30   it was a Western I still quite liked the [TS]

01:02:32   idea of snow white as a you know [TS]

01:02:33   gun-toting Western desperado lady and I [TS]

01:02:38   I actually read this why did you hold [TS]

01:02:40   data [TS]

01:02:41   boom yeah that reality is I mean from [TS]

01:02:44   the modern-day look at you it's like [TS]

01:02:46   it's a combination that I mean it's it's [TS]

01:02:48   the kind of thing I like to do myself so [TS]

01:02:50   it's like who [TS]

01:02:50   mashing up fairytales in the Old West [TS]

01:02:52   and you know pulp adventure and it's [TS]

01:02:55   just fun I like she wrote a she wrote a [TS]

01:02:59   novel that got nominated for you go a [TS]

01:03:00   few years ago that was my first thing I [TS]

01:03:02   read by her and I really didn't like it [TS]

01:03:03   but her short fiction that I've read [TS]

01:03:05   since then is actually all been great [TS]

01:03:06   and she's also got the young adult stuff [TS]

01:03:09   that's been wildly successful so I'm [TS]

01:03:10   looking forward to reading it because i [TS]

01:03:12   really liked her shirt she's a good [TS]

01:03:13   writer even her book that I didn't like [TS]

01:03:15   was so well written i just did just [TS]

01:03:17   drive me insane but she's a really good [TS]

01:03:18   writer [TS]

01:03:19   it seems very good it didn't have quite [TS]

01:03:21   as much magic as i would have liked when [TS]

01:03:24   i'm reading stuff for the Hugo's I'm [TS]

01:03:26   looking for my sci-fi or am i right [TS]

01:03:28   my fantasy and this one except for a few [TS]

01:03:31   little things here and there could have [TS]

01:03:33   been more of a straightforward story and [TS]

01:03:37   I got a little i would I want to say [TS]

01:03:39   bored with the straightforwardness but I [TS]

01:03:41   was just really excited for something [TS]

01:03:42   else to happen and it didn't as much as [TS]

01:03:44   I was hoping I I very much enjoy her [TS]

01:03:46   young adult fiction because I I picked [TS]

01:03:48   that up because of the kids and so but [TS]

01:03:50   that's the only thing I've rid of her so [TS]

01:03:52   I haven't maybe maybe i'll stay away [TS]

01:03:54   from that previously don't read [TS]

01:03:55   palimpsest but her short fiction is [TS]

01:03:57   really good earned her her nominated for [TS]

01:03:59   the nominated short fiction has been [TS]

01:04:00   really great [TS]

01:04:01   I I fully endorse it I just one system [TS]

01:04:05   works for me i also enjoyed the butcher [TS]

01:04:07   of card off by dan wells thats one that [TS]

01:04:11   was have even if i hadn't discovered it [TS]

01:04:14   I think reading something at the [TS]

01:04:15   beginning I would have recognized very [TS]

01:04:18   very quickly that this was a story that [TS]

01:04:20   was written in the world or universe of [TS]

01:04:23   a role-playing game [TS]

01:04:24   yeah and it [TS]

01:04:25   red like like you know 80 pages of [TS]

01:04:27   flavor text which is basically what it [TS]

01:04:29   was and I'm okay with that you know i [TS]

01:04:32   like my my role playing games but I i [TS]

01:04:35   think i had a little bit of trouble with [TS]

01:04:37   it because those are two diff completely [TS]

01:04:40   different types of pastimes for me when [TS]

01:04:42   I'm sitting down to read [TS]

01:04:44   I'm expecting my brain to do one thing [TS]

01:04:45   and when I'm sitting down to play an RPG [TS]

01:04:47   I'm expecting my brain to do another [TS]

01:04:49   thing so I've never been able to get [TS]

01:04:51   into very many books that are set in the [TS]

01:04:53   world of a role-playing game and I had [TS]

01:04:56   had that same trouble with this although [TS]

01:04:57   it was quite good and I found myself [TS]

01:04:59   this is another one I found myself [TS]

01:05:00   thinking about after the fact because i [TS]

01:05:03   thought the main character was very well [TS]

01:05:06   well created and lots of layers and some [TS]

01:05:10   pesos there so it was good [TS]

01:05:13   alright what else i'm curious to hear [TS]

01:05:16   what you thought of exploit of' would so [TS]

01:05:18   equus is straw straws maddening to me [TS]

01:05:21   because some of his stuff i really love [TS]

01:05:22   and some of that I I find kind of just [TS]

01:05:25   dull exploit is bizarre because it's [TS]

01:05:27   kind of love crafty and horror [TS]

01:05:30   it's literally like somebody on a dare [TS]

01:05:32   said write a Lovecraftian horror story [TS]

01:05:35   about unicorns and so he did and that's [TS]

01:05:38   a coid and you know i just read this [TS]

01:05:43   yesterday i read the whole thing and I [TS]

01:05:46   chuckled at points but I felt like he [TS]

01:05:48   was trying a little too hard [TS]

01:05:50   did you get the feeling that he was kind [TS]

01:05:51   of like look how clever i am yeah [TS]

01:05:54   Nightwing click Amelia me yep my class [TS]

01:05:57   and trying and trying too hard with the [TS]

01:05:59   jokes and the the going back and forth [TS]

01:06:03   between letters unpublished letters by [TS]

01:06:05   HP Lovecraft about the unicorn menace [TS]

01:06:08   with the present-day unicorn menace [TS]

01:06:12   uh yeah I didn't love it it did this I [TS]

01:06:15   would say is more in line with the kind [TS]

01:06:17   of the strong stuff that dump leaves me [TS]

01:06:19   cold and not the strong stuff i like his [TS]

01:06:21   I like he's really crazy far-out future [TS]

01:06:24   technological extrapolations like [TS]

01:06:26   celeron dough and this was you know this [TS]

01:06:29   was more [TS]

01:06:31   yeah it did it didn't it also felt [TS]

01:06:34   really long to me for for what it was [TS]

01:06:36   trying to do which was [TS]

01:06:38   abdellah joke yeah I actually I really [TS]

01:06:41   quite like the world i liked the you [TS]

01:06:43   know the main character and I like this [TS]

01:06:45   is part of a city this is part of a [TS]

01:06:46   series like this is a world that he [TS]

01:06:48   writes in this [TS]

01:06:49   yeah and it's that's very clear because [TS]

01:06:50   it seems to be really well-thought-out [TS]

01:06:52   and I I kind of would like to go back [TS]

01:06:55   and read some of his other stuff in this [TS]

01:06:56   world because it seems like it would be [TS]

01:06:58   a lot of fun but this one although it's [TS]

01:07:00   a world it's a world is very similar to [TS]

01:07:01   the jasper fforde British bureaucracy of [TS]

01:07:05   magical things that the to the rook I [TS]

01:07:08   was under some other book that reminded [TS]

01:07:10   me reminded me of it's like so suffice [TS]

01:07:12   it to say there's magic in Britain and [TS]

01:07:14   there's a British pure bureaucratic [TS]

01:07:15   organization who's in charge of [TS]

01:07:17   investigating that you don't say it but [TS]

01:07:20   it was a familiar setting but it was a [TS]

01:07:22   good setting i enjoyed it i haven't read [TS]

01:07:25   any of those other things so for me this [TS]

01:07:26   was I mean it wasn't like it was a novel [TS]

01:07:28   concept i have come across that idea [TS]

01:07:30   before but this was the first time I [TS]

01:07:32   dived in [TS]

01:07:33   you should read the rook rook is really [TS]

01:07:34   good and it is sent as an organization [TS]

01:07:36   to check a who is there the secret [TS]

01:07:38   British magical bureaucracy and its [TS]

01:07:41   really great and then there's a podcast [TS]

01:07:43   you can listen to about it afterward [TS]

01:07:45   in fact that you might like also let me [TS]

01:07:47   was great i cannot endorse the the [TS]

01:07:50   details of the quality of that podcast [TS]

01:07:51   but that the the brook is a great book [TS]

01:07:54   but yea alright so so novellas I've got [TS]

01:07:57   more to read their I i actually I'm [TS]

01:07:58   feeling that [TS]

01:07:59   thank you for giving me a pep talk now I [TS]

01:08:00   can power through before I vote and I [TS]

01:08:02   can read the rest of them I should warn [TS]

01:08:04   you that if you are like me and get [TS]

01:08:06   frustrated by not enough magic in your [TS]

01:08:07   magic yeah what color springs is going [TS]

01:08:09   to drive you [TS]

01:08:10   bat guano crazy so I started and I admit [TS]

01:08:13   I flip through trying to see if there [TS]

01:08:15   was any evidence that it was anything [TS]

01:08:16   other than kind of straightforward story [TS]

01:08:19   the very last sentence is pretty much [TS]

01:08:22   all you get [TS]

01:08:22   oh sorry alright it's it's it's [TS]

01:08:26   well-written to it but it's one of those [TS]

01:08:28   it's a it's a novella that it takes you [TS]

01:08:30   throughout different areas of sort of a [TS]

01:08:32   family you get like the child been you [TS]

01:08:35   know we cut to 20 years later and [TS]

01:08:37   suddenly the main character is the child [TS]

01:08:38   of the person who is the child in the [TS]

01:08:39   first part and that kind of thing is [TS]

01:08:42   beautifully written as it was that [TS]

01:08:43   doesn't do it for me and then there [TS]

01:08:44   wasn't enough magic so right all right [TS]

01:08:47   novelette is next [TS]

01:08:50   and once again with we have five [TS]

01:08:52   nominees I Erica did you read any of [TS]

01:08:55   these [TS]

01:08:55   I read them all alright high 5i i think [TS]

01:08:58   i read all these or at least attempted [TS]

01:09:00   to read all of these anything anything [TS]

01:09:03   jump out at you and Scott Scott are you [TS]

01:09:06   in on this category i read the lady [TS]

01:09:09   astronaut of Mars and the waiting stars [TS]

01:09:12   alright rhyme and and i don't i know the [TS]

01:09:15   lady astronaut of Mars to all right [TS]

01:09:17   Erica why don't you once you leave this [TS]

01:09:20   office you read them all [TS]

01:09:21   alright well actually the two that Scott [TS]

01:09:23   red were I think those were my favorite [TS]

01:09:25   I adored the waiting stars that is [TS]

01:09:27   really my kind of it was it was poetic [TS]

01:09:31   and beautiful and yet it was about [TS]

01:09:33   spaceships and also people and it was [TS]

01:09:39   you had two different stories going on [TS]

01:09:40   at the same time which generally [TS]

01:09:42   interesting how are they could balance [TS]

01:09:44   things are balanced well enough and [TS]

01:09:46   especially if they come together in a [TS]

01:09:48   pleasing way at the end which in this [TS]

01:09:49   case I think they really did you got one [TS]

01:09:51   girl on a spaceship who is trying to [TS]

01:09:53   rescue something and then you've got [TS]

01:09:57   another girl who's on some planet that [TS]

01:09:59   seems to be you know completely not [TS]

01:10:01   related and she's struggling to get by [TS]

01:10:04   and she doesn't really remember her past [TS]

01:10:06   very well and it's just I'm not going to [TS]

01:10:08   give anything away but the to weave back [TS]

01:10:10   and forth and then come together and I [TS]

01:10:12   was just like it was a punch the air [TS]

01:10:14   kind of moment for me as soon as I [TS]

01:10:15   recognize where it was going [TS]

01:10:17   I i only read two with that one was the [TS]

01:10:20   favorite of the two and she wrote my [TS]

01:10:22   favorite novella that was nominated last [TS]

01:10:24   year as well on a red station dress oh [TS]

01:10:28   yeah yeah that was a good one [TS]

01:10:30   yeah mhm I'm writing that down to I was [TS]

01:10:34   really good and this was really good i [TS]

01:10:35   mean i figured out the the twist further [TS]

01:10:38   our early on but I did write didn't [TS]

01:10:40   detract from know anything and beauty is [TS]

01:10:42   Howard how it comes together right [TS]

01:10:44   exactly and it's so well-written and [TS]

01:10:46   it's a the the novella that she wrote [TS]

01:10:49   last year set the same universe and i'm [TS]

01:10:51   just waiting for her to write a novel [TS]

01:10:54   this is your series hopefully because I [TS]

01:10:56   just I'm so intrigued by it that I want [TS]

01:10:58   to read more [TS]

01:10:59   that is fertile ground right there lady [TS]

01:11:03   astronaut Mars I found fascinating [TS]

01:11:04   because it's in this it's in this [TS]

01:11:07   bizarre non-it you know I you call [TS]

01:11:12   universe but it's really more like a [TS]

01:11:13   science fiction story set in a parable [TS]

01:11:18   kind of university it's like it's like [TS]

01:11:20   out like a mythological universe because [TS]

01:11:23   it's essentially like The Wizard of Oz [TS]

01:11:25   is how it starts like her name is [TS]

01:11:27   Dorothy Gale her her you know her she [TS]

01:11:29   lived with her aunt and uncle right next [TS]

01:11:31   to the spaceport like what [TS]

01:11:33   yeah and they're all on Mars and people [TS]

01:11:36   live on Mars and she's the one who was [TS]

01:11:37   the first woman on on the on Mars [TS]

01:11:39   because she was on the original team [TS]

01:11:41   that went to Mars but now there's people [TS]

01:11:42   who live there in Dorothy who watch the [TS]

01:11:45   ships go up is now I is now a doctor in [TS]

01:11:49   the colony and the lady astronaut is a [TS]

01:11:52   retiree almost because they won't give [TS]

01:11:55   any assignments to old lady astronauts [TS]

01:11:57   apparently and and so just the setting [TS]

01:12:01   is like wow this is not it they're not [TS]

01:12:03   attempting to extrapolate she's not [TS]

01:12:05   attempted to say you know this is where [TS]

01:12:07   history diverge door or anything like [TS]

01:12:09   it's just like now it's just there were [TS]

01:12:11   there was there was a an accident [TS]

01:12:14   happened in Washington and then there [TS]

01:12:15   was a and then that they've launched [TS]

01:12:17   spaceships from the plains and now we're [TS]

01:12:20   all on Mars [TS]

01:12:21   okay yeah and I like that [TS]

01:12:24   yeah yeah it was cool it was nice to be [TS]

01:12:26   freed of that of that weight of like [TS]

01:12:28   yeah I've got to have this all makes [TS]

01:12:29   sense it's like no it's fat its [TS]

01:12:31   fantabulous and fantastical and just [TS]

01:12:33   don't worry about it [TS]

01:12:33   oh yeah me and in a way it really felt [TS]

01:12:36   like a throwback in terms of science [TS]

01:12:38   fiction to me which is part of what drew [TS]

01:12:40   me to it [TS]

01:12:41   I first and candidate as an audio story [TS]

01:12:44   and I think I think audible.com put [TS]

01:12:48   together like an anthology of science [TS]

01:12:49   fiction audio stories which was really [TS]

01:12:52   neat and then they then she put it [TS]

01:12:54   together in her preferred text me a like [TS]

01:12:59   a pro story and i would say go find the [TS]

01:13:04   audio version 2 it's it's really nicely [TS]

01:13:07   done [TS]

01:13:07   yeah I believe it was actually supposed [TS]

01:13:11   to have been nominated last year [TS]

01:13:13   as the audio version but then she found [TS]

01:13:16   out at this area just after the ceremony [TS]

01:13:18   that it had been taken off of the list [TS]

01:13:19   because it was published as an audio for [TS]

01:13:23   in audio form first and that doesn't [TS]

01:13:24   qualify or something anyway she was dead [TS]

01:13:27   i have to have to declare my bias here I [TS]

01:13:28   actually actually no Mary so and she's [TS]

01:13:31   delightful so yeah so I i love this [TS]

01:13:34   story but I am a little bit more than a [TS]

01:13:36   little bit biased [TS]

01:13:38   yeah the first time I met her she [TS]

01:13:39   offered to take me shopping so that's [TS]

01:13:41   the kind of nice lady that she is wow [TS]

01:13:43   dream dreams got one day you wondering [TS]

01:13:47   what your shopping [TS]

01:13:48   yes well i enjoy i enjoy her work she [TS]

01:13:52   writes this series the clamorous series [TS]

01:13:55   yeah she's basically you know sense and [TS]

01:13:56   sensibility with magic which I i adore [TS]

01:13:59   so and I like this this short story a [TS]

01:14:01   lot as well yeah I had never actually [TS]

01:14:03   read anything by her before so it's one [TS]

01:14:05   of those things where oh and her i like [TS]

01:14:07   her degree hope that doesn't suck [TS]

01:14:10   he didn't thank goodness yeah oh yes [TS]

01:14:12   it's delightful [TS]

01:14:13   so uh so what else is in this category [TS]

01:14:16   bread torgersen is back in this category [TS]

01:14:19   2 with the exchange officers which is [TS]

01:14:22   which is essentially an adventure story [TS]

01:14:23   about drone pilot to get to pilot sort [TS]

01:14:27   of robot drones on a space station who [TS]

01:14:30   are called into action after the space [TS]

01:14:34   station is attacked that I that I i [TS]

01:14:38   enjoy it was it was not did not have the [TS]

01:14:40   depth that the chaplains legacy did but [TS]

01:14:43   it was kind of a fun adventure in that [TS]

01:14:45   it was the people behind the robots as [TS]

01:14:48   well as the robots and I thought that [TS]

01:14:50   was kind of interesting [TS]

01:14:53   yeah I but i will say it was different [TS]

01:14:58   Victoria you're ready to have the depth [TS]

01:15:00   it was again it was it was well-crafted [TS]

01:15:02   and well-written it was just this was [TS]

01:15:03   about a topic that i could not care less [TS]

01:15:06   about I don't like the soldiers in space [TS]

01:15:10   type stories and that's exactly what it [TS]

01:15:12   was [TS]

01:15:12   so if you are into soldiers and space [TS]

01:15:14   stuff i recommend reading this it's not [TS]

01:15:16   real long and it's it's fun and it cooks [TS]

01:15:18   along it's just that's not my preferred [TS]

01:15:19   genre I'd say if you like if you like [TS]

01:15:21   the Martian two books like that you [TS]

01:15:24   would like this because it is sort of a [TS]

01:15:25   nuts-and-bolts [TS]

01:15:26   it's equipment in space and how do you [TS]

01:15:29   get into work kind of thing and I i like [TS]

01:15:32   that that we actually got to learn a [TS]

01:15:35   little bit about the characters were [TS]

01:15:36   piloting these drones because i think [TS]

01:15:37   that that I was with this story has a [TS]

01:15:39   meaning i feel like that's it which is [TS]

01:15:41   not not drones are people too but like [TS]

01:15:44   drones are piloted by people too and the [TS]

01:15:46   beat you know that that's the story is [TS]

01:15:48   who are these people who are piloting [TS]

01:15:49   and this really is taking like modern [TS]

01:15:51   drone warfare and then pushing it [TS]

01:15:54   forward and saying who are these people [TS]

01:15:55   you know who and what will they be doing [TS]

01:15:57   in space perhaps with drones and space [TS]

01:15:59   and yeah but it doesn't have any of the [TS]

01:16:01   depth of something like chaplains legacy [TS]

01:16:04   I think but I was fine i was fun but [TS]

01:16:06   that's sort of it [TS]

01:16:07   ted chang is in this category the the [TS]

01:16:10   much-beloved short-story writer he is [TS]

01:16:13   his a story is called the truth of fact [TS]

01:16:16   the truth of feeling I have opinions [TS]

01:16:18   about this one [TS]

01:16:19   I don't know Erica how you feel about it [TS]

01:16:21   I thought that it was it's one of those [TS]

01:16:24   stories were it didn't it didn't invoke [TS]

01:16:26   a lot of emotion the way some of the [TS]

01:16:28   other stories did but it was such an [TS]

01:16:31   incredible idea that kind of hearing [TS]

01:16:34   comparing of the moving from in an oral [TS]

01:16:37   history type culture into two written [TS]

01:16:39   language and then comparing moving from [TS]

01:16:42   for written to the machine has hardened [TS]

01:16:45   just got ya memory machine assisted [TS]

01:16:47   memory it which was it was it was a [TS]

01:16:50   little bit bash you over the head with [TS]

01:16:53   the idea but I kind of thought that it [TS]

01:16:56   was a really elegant bashing over the [TS]

01:16:58   head and and it made me it really made [TS]

01:17:01   me think so I I appreciate it and I [TS]

01:17:04   would say that it definitely ended up on [TS]

01:17:05   the positive side for me but it like I [TS]

01:17:08   said it didn't it didn't thing to me in [TS]

01:17:11   the way out some of the other ones did [TS]

01:17:12   for me i'm i'm a sucker for the emotion [TS]

01:17:14   so I'm gonna go always swing in that [TS]

01:17:15   direction so i love so much of what ted [TS]

01:17:19   chang is written and so for me this was [TS]

01:17:21   a disappointment because because i admit [TS]

01:17:25   i set the bar pretty high for him he's a [TS]

01:17:27   really green rider and the reason i [TS]

01:17:31   thought the story was a disappointment [TS]

01:17:32   is because it it can't a little bit of [TS]

01:17:36   what i was going to say about parasite [TS]

01:17:37   which is it it can't decide [TS]

01:17:39   that wants to be it is or actually you [TS]

01:17:44   know it's a little bit like that book [TS]

01:17:46   about space economics that the straws it [TS]

01:17:50   is it is ok follow me here it's trying [TS]

01:17:51   to do two things at once is what i'm [TS]

01:17:53   saying so it is trying to explore a [TS]

01:17:56   really interesting premise about what [TS]

01:18:00   technological advancement could do to [TS]

01:18:02   people i think that's great it's just [TS]

01:18:04   opposing it with technological [TS]

01:18:06   advancements that we take for granted [TS]

01:18:08   but have changed how we think in terms [TS]

01:18:11   of literacy it's very much saying [TS]

01:18:13   writing the existence of writing changes [TS]

01:18:16   thought and therefore we are already [TS]

01:18:20   changed and this would be a new change [TS]

01:18:22   and trying to compare those two that's [TS]

01:18:24   brilliant stuff that is amazing stuff [TS]

01:18:26   and the the parts that are set in i [TS]

01:18:29   think it's Nigeria where there's a boy [TS]

01:18:32   who learns reading and writing from a [TS]

01:18:34   missionary and then they're dealing with [TS]

01:18:36   British colonialism in nigeria and how [TS]

01:18:39   it how it affects the way they think [TS]

01:18:41   about the past in oral tradition versus [TS]

01:18:43   a written tradition that stuff is is [TS]

01:18:45   really well done [TS]

01:18:47   the problem is the future stuff is has [TS]

01:18:49   this narrator and the narrator is [TS]

01:18:51   supposedly writing a note to himself it [TS]

01:18:53   starts out as a things going to write an [TS]

01:18:55   article but then it ends up being this [TS]

01:18:56   kind of letter to nobody to us the [TS]

01:19:01   readers and that part really bug me [TS]

01:19:03   because I felt like he wanted to have it [TS]

01:19:05   both ways he wanted to write an essay [TS]

01:19:06   about mediated technology you know [TS]

01:19:11   changing the way we think and he also [TS]

01:19:13   wanted to tell story about it and that's [TS]

01:19:15   where for me the story fell down is that [TS]

01:19:17   in the present day he didn't tell us the [TS]

01:19:19   story of the man and his daughter and [TS]

01:19:21   realizing how this memory technology [TS]

01:19:23   changes how we behave and how we think [TS]

01:19:26   about our lives he didn't want to just [TS]

01:19:29   tell that story he also wanted to [TS]

01:19:31   lecture us about the meaning of it and [TS]

01:19:34   that's where it came apart for me is [TS]

01:19:36   like I kind of wanted him to choose [TS]

01:19:37   either tell the story and let me think [TS]

01:19:40   about the issues or write an essay about [TS]

01:19:42   the issues but don't do both because it [TS]

01:19:44   it made me dislike that portion because [TS]

01:19:46   while it was really interesting and [TS]

01:19:49   thought-provoking it didn't feel like a [TS]

01:19:51   story anymore it felt like a lecture [TS]

01:19:53   with some framing sequences around it [TS]

01:19:55   and that so that's when it that's why i [TS]

01:19:57   was disappointed as I felt like he had a [TS]

01:20:00   really great emotional story to tell and [TS]

01:20:02   couldn't resist analyzing it and showing [TS]

01:20:05   his work [TS]

01:20:07   that's my rant about Ted Chang it's a [TS]

01:20:10   great writer [TS]

01:20:11   yeah north reading it's worth reading [TS]

01:20:14   yeah absolutely but you see what I mean [TS]

01:20:16   about the they'll help me out here do [TS]

01:20:17   you see what I mean about the [TS]

01:20:18   present-day stuff where he's like trying [TS]

01:20:19   to tell his own personal story but he's [TS]

01:20:20   also trying to tell us what all the [TS]

01:20:22   issues are [TS]

01:20:23   yes yeah I I honestly I feel like maybe [TS]

01:20:26   it would work out better as a short fit [TS]

01:20:30   one maybe not even a short film [TS]

01:20:32   well a medium-sized film if I could [TS]

01:20:34   maybe smooth out the it is the [TS]

01:20:38   present-day Future II stuff is very [TS]

01:20:41   emotional and the past stuff seems more [TS]

01:20:43   luxury if they could maybe bring that [TS]

01:20:45   somewhere to middle ground and we could [TS]

01:20:47   actually see characters enacting this in [TS]

01:20:49   front of us I think I might like that [TS]

01:20:51   better than I did in in story form [TS]

01:20:52   yeah great ideas though it really is [TS]

01:20:54   kind of a mind-blowing idea about what [TS]

01:20:56   happens if you have perfect perfect [TS]

01:20:58   memory and a search engine to give you [TS]

01:21:00   perfect recall of everything that's ever [TS]

01:21:01   happened and how that totally changes [TS]

01:21:03   the nature of memory so that's what's [TS]

01:21:06   great science-fiction does is is is do [TS]

01:21:09   that yeah and challenge you like that I [TS]

01:21:11   just artistically I felt like it was [TS]

01:21:14   trying to do too much and then the other [TS]

01:21:17   the other story in this category is a [TS]

01:21:19   opera vita aeterna by vox Dei who is [TS]

01:21:22   famously the least popular man in [TS]

01:21:26   science fiction in some circles because [TS]

01:21:28   he says whole lot of horrible things and [TS]

01:21:30   is part of the slate that we talked [TS]

01:21:33   about before i'm going to be honest I [TS]

01:21:36   tried to read this and I couldn't do it [TS]

01:21:38   this is the first paragraph is some of [TS]

01:21:40   the worst rioting I've ever seen and the [TS]

01:21:43   setting is something that totally did [TS]

01:21:45   that doesn't interest me at all and so i [TS]

01:21:47   gave up i have to declare my bias here [TS]

01:21:49   too easy I'm female [TS]

01:21:51   yeah therefore our well but yeah you're [TS]

01:21:56   well and amma nothing can be in the [TS]

01:21:59   lensman it's right men it's right in the [TS]

01:22:01   name muscles don't so I do [TS]

01:22:05   he's the only one of the people in this [TS]

01:22:07   life that I actually searched out their [TS]

01:22:08   blog to find out what the heck was was [TS]

01:22:10   the deal and I had done that before the [TS]

01:22:12   whole slate that came out and yeah the [TS]

01:22:13   stuff he says is just as reprehensible [TS]

01:22:15   is everybody says it is an onforce awful [TS]

01:22:18   person you [TS]

01:22:19   yes um so I you know I had to struggle i [TS]

01:22:23   remember your episode talking about [TS]

01:22:24   Orson Scott Card writers who do terrible [TS]

01:22:26   things and so I was all worried for [TS]

01:22:29   fishes the opposite opposite of the mary [TS]

01:22:31   robinette kowal thing I was like oh no [TS]

01:22:33   what if he's good at home would have [TS]

01:22:35   good and you mentioned that first [TS]

01:22:37   paragraph I i read that novel it today [TS]

01:22:40   sitting out on the square in the middle [TS]

01:22:42   of Edmonton and i literally laughed out [TS]

01:22:44   loud after that first paragraph because [TS]

01:22:46   I was so relieved [TS]

01:22:48   oh yeah it's just it is it was it was it [TS]

01:22:53   was bad and I there were bits don't get [TS]

01:22:55   me wrong this whole thing what I didn't [TS]

01:22:56   think the whole thing was terrible but [TS]

01:22:58   that first paragraph was a dismal there [TS]

01:23:00   are bits and pieces that maybe sort of [TS]

01:23:02   interested but there was so much more of [TS]

01:23:04   it that just kept turning me off again [TS]

01:23:06   and again every time there is something [TS]

01:23:08   that i found kind of interesting about [TS]

01:23:10   the world then I would see a really [TS]

01:23:12   bland character and expanding its like a [TS]

01:23:15   conversation between a sum like a monk [TS]

01:23:18   in an elf their philosophizing like [TS]

01:23:21   they're just following up each others [TS]

01:23:22   butts ridiculous [TS]

01:23:24   yeah yeah the the cold autumn day was [TS]

01:23:27   slowly drawing to a close the palate son [TS]

01:23:30   was to set the s little adjectives how [TS]

01:23:32   do they work so it really reminded me [TS]

01:23:35   out think that I wouldn't happen in high [TS]

01:23:36   school [TS]

01:23:37   yeah yeah because it i need to describe [TS]

01:23:39   the scene with you know as many Tencent [TS]

01:23:41   words as I possibly can if you're using [TS]

01:23:44   an incipient in your first paragraph I'm [TS]

01:23:46   shaking my head at you so missing jersey [TS]

01:23:48   incipient so we get the last pair the [TS]

01:23:51   second sentence doesn't even make any [TS]

01:23:53   sense no III so so I think what we can [TS]

01:23:56   say is there were lots of guys on that [TS]

01:23:58   slate and I think they were all no no [TS]

01:24:00   we're not all guys they were mostly guys [TS]

01:24:01   there are lots of people on that slate [TS]

01:24:03   and we in reading their stuff we found [TS]

01:24:05   that some of them are good writers and [TS]

01:24:07   some of them aren't and that's just how [TS]

01:24:08   it is [TS]

01:24:08   so there you go or at least some of them [TS]

01:24:11   real good stuff that got nominated some [TS]

01:24:12   of our stuff that wasn't so good that [TS]

01:24:14   got nominated that's what happens some [TS]

01:24:17   stuff is good and some stuff isn't [TS]

01:24:18   I ok short stories we haven't talked [TS]

01:24:24   about their four of them only for got [TS]

01:24:25   nominated because it's very hard to [TS]

01:24:27   nominate stories apparently so few of [TS]

01:24:31   who read the who read the short stories [TS]

01:24:32   i did i do this right spice yeah alright [TS]

01:24:37   so therefore really three so Sophia [TS]

01:24:42   stahma tarr who-who wrote a that book [TS]

01:24:46   that we read for the nebula episode sky [TS]

01:24:49   is what is it called again that [TS]

01:24:50   something [TS]

01:24:51   oh I can't remember hello stranger in a [TS]

01:24:54   laundry area [TS]

01:24:55   yes which I thought was perplexing but [TS]

01:24:58   well-written yes i agree with you it [TS]

01:25:01   frustrated me and yet I cannot deny that [TS]

01:25:03   it was quite well written and this [TS]

01:25:05   selfie stories are for losers is [TS]

01:25:07   completely different yes it is [TS]

01:25:09   although I i kinda I kind of loved it i [TS]

01:25:12   gotta say because I it is a selkie [TS]

01:25:15   stories is for losers is how it or [TS]

01:25:17   something stories are for losers a story [TS]

01:25:19   and of course it is a selfie story in a [TS]

01:25:20   way I'm about about losers [TS]

01:25:23   yeah yeah it's it's a I don't know I I [TS]

01:25:26   enjoyed that it'sit's the the the [TS]

01:25:28   dynamic of putting putting you know [TS]

01:25:31   selkie stories in a modern ish day [TS]

01:25:34   setting and and yeah I don't know I I [TS]

01:25:39   it's a short story i enjoyed enjoyed it [TS]

01:25:41   was an interesting slice of a of an [TS]

01:25:43   interesting characters life i thought [TS]

01:25:46   i'm not a fan of silly stories either so [TS]

01:25:49   okay so this was in your butter zone yes [TS]

01:25:53   i agree i ran out we're gonna wear out [TS]

01:25:55   that we're gonna melt all the butter [TS]

01:25:56   zones here by using too much but it's [TS]

01:25:58   the new to way we gotta play with it [TS]

01:26:00   while we got it i know i like the butter [TS]

01:26:02   the title intrigued me and and yeah I [TS]

01:26:04   thought I thought it was fun i thought [TS]

01:26:05   it was a fun and and a little bit [TS]

01:26:08   affecting at the end i mean i like the [TS]

01:26:10   relationship between the main character [TS]

01:26:12   and her would-be girlfriend I guess [TS]

01:26:15   right yeah yeah again this is another [TS]

01:26:19   sort of you know you're taking a ferry [TS]

01:26:21   Taylor mythology thing in and changing [TS]

01:26:23   around are bringing in present-day so [TS]

01:26:24   that is that is in my you-know-what [TS]

01:26:27   don't know so it was really good [TS]

01:26:29   Jenna area Marjorie in this category i [TS]

01:26:32   think for me is the toughest because I [TS]

01:26:33   really thought all of them were very [TS]

01:26:35   strong entries for one reason or another [TS]

01:26:37   so yeah I just like them all [TS]

01:26:40   I like the selfie stories are for losers [TS]

01:26:43   as well.all right-it what about the [TS]

01:26:45   water that falls on you from nowhere by [TS]

01:26:47   Jon Chu that one was my favorite I have [TS]

01:26:52   trouble with the other three picking you [TS]

01:26:53   know where they go but of all the things [TS]

01:26:55   that i read for this year's Hugo's that [TS]

01:26:57   is the one that just it hit me where I [TS]

01:27:00   live [TS]

01:27:01   it was it's a it's a beautiful love [TS]

01:27:03   story that just happens to have a [TS]

01:27:06   fantastical elements going on which is [TS]

01:27:08   that when you lie the more the more you [TS]

01:27:10   lie the more moist it gets to the point [TS]

01:27:13   where if you rip off a really good lie [TS]

01:27:15   you will be completely drenched in water [TS]

01:27:17   that magically appears out of nowhere so [TS]

01:27:19   you better tell the truth or you will be [TS]

01:27:20   spending a lot of time had a few if you [TS]

01:27:22   tell something that's absolutely true [TS]

01:27:24   you dry off [TS]

01:27:25   yeah you dry off mhm and it's just I [TS]

01:27:27   love the fact that there's no [TS]

01:27:28   explanation of why this started [TS]

01:27:30   happening it's just a thing that you [TS]

01:27:32   have the only scientific explanation is [TS]

01:27:33   that they tested the water and it's pure [TS]

01:27:35   it is water every time [TS]

01:27:38   distilled water it's great like this [TS]

01:27:41   just a couple sounds as being like this [TS]

01:27:42   is the world and now we have to interact [TS]

01:27:44   yeah so what happens what happens when [TS]

01:27:47   everybody knows whether you're telling [TS]

01:27:48   the truth or lying [TS]

01:27:49   how does that work and it's great and [TS]

01:27:53   how the people have strategies about how [TS]

01:27:55   they can technically not live but not [TS]

01:27:58   really tell the truth either asking [TS]

01:28:00   questions [TS]

01:28:01   exactly I thought it was really well [TS]

01:28:02   written and yeah and it's it was a tough [TS]

01:28:04   choice [TS]

01:28:06   it will be a tough choice for Mike any [TS]

01:28:07   valid between this one and the ink [TS]

01:28:12   readers of goes however you say that [TS]

01:28:15   dosent is like that a lot to really a [TS]

01:28:20   meeting i did i'd i did to Jason that as [TS]

01:28:23   much but not giant no i didn't i didn't [TS]

01:28:29   love that didn't love that one that was [TS]

01:28:30   the that was the one that I I i liked [TS]

01:28:32   the least I think and that that that [TS]

01:28:34   author i think is this the guy the dutch [TS]

01:28:36   guy who wrote these like her story in [TS]

01:28:39   english a year ago was that about the [TS]

01:28:41   crystal boy [TS]

01:28:42   yeah right exactly is that him yeah I [TS]

01:28:45   also really like that one to soho I [TS]

01:28:48   think my I the water that falls from you [TS]

01:28:50   on nowhere had characters and it was a [TS]

01:28:53   love story and therefore i loved it but [TS]

01:28:56   i think that the ink readers of joy [TS]

01:28:58   socket or however you say it it was it [TS]

01:29:00   was more about the story that was [TS]

01:29:02   unfolding there is a character that sort [TS]

01:29:04   of tells the story but i never got if I [TS]

01:29:06   got the feeling that happened that I [TS]

01:29:09   knew them that character very well and [TS]

01:29:12   it was the opposite in the water that [TS]

01:29:14   falls on you from nowhere I'd felt like [TS]

01:29:16   I knew the characters immediately and [TS]

01:29:18   wanted to interact with them whereas i [TS]

01:29:21   was just sort of watching the inks world [TS]

01:29:23   by in the river on the other one [TS]

01:29:24   yeah that's where I think they both tell [TS]

01:29:26   they both have a very interesting [TS]

01:29:27   fantastic fantastical elements to it and [TS]

01:29:32   I i enjoyed it and I think you're right [TS]

01:29:34   that the silky stores are not sold in [TS]

01:29:36   stores uh the water that falls on you [TS]

01:29:37   from nowhere has more fully realized [TS]

01:29:39   characters and that love story is very [TS]

01:29:43   powerful and of course complicated you [TS]

01:29:45   know he's living a lie but he can't lie [TS]

01:29:48   to his family because he'll get trench [TS]

01:29:51   with water so that makes it really [TS]

01:29:52   interesting as well but it has many [TS]

01:29:56   layers and then the fourth story in this [TS]

01:29:58   category is if you were a dinosaur my [TS]

01:30:00   love by Rachel sworsky who has been [TS]

01:30:03   nominated before and who i believe i met [TS]

01:30:05   at worldcon a few years ago and who is a [TS]

01:30:07   I've really liked her stuff in the past [TS]

01:30:10   and this is a short short story and i [TS]

01:30:14   gotta say I really liked it [TS]

01:30:16   I I like Rachel ski and I like her stuff [TS]

01:30:19   and it is it is a it is not too long [TS]

01:30:22   it is very very sure it is but in that [TS]

01:30:25   time [TS]

01:30:26   it tells a story it does tell a story a [TS]

01:30:29   tragic story about a person who is [TS]

01:30:34   assaulted and put in the hospital and is [TS]

01:30:37   not expected to recover and and the and [TS]

01:30:41   that person's partner and and so I I was [TS]

01:30:44   taken aback it starts out really reading [TS]

01:30:46   like the runaway bunny that children's [TS]

01:30:48   book but by the end i found it pretty [TS]

01:30:50   effective especially given its [TS]

01:30:52   incredible shortness so I have to [TS]

01:30:55   you declare my bias once again if you [TS]

01:30:57   were a dinosaur my love was actually the [TS]

01:30:59   very first apex magazine podcast that we [TS]

01:31:02   did and I'm the producer of the apex [TS]

01:31:04   haha so i can tell you it's very short [TS]

01:31:07   it's it's just over five minutes if you [TS]

01:31:09   read it out loud it's okay if you don't [TS]

01:31:12   feel like if you don't feel like picking [TS]

01:31:14   finding the story online and really get [TS]

01:31:15   you can go and listen to Lin Thomas the [TS]

01:31:17   at the time editor of apex magazine [TS]

01:31:20   reading it and it is i had to listen to [TS]

01:31:22   it lots of times because that was our [TS]

01:31:23   first episode we were just getting [TS]

01:31:24   things straight and it is it is [TS]

01:31:26   gut-wrenching it's kind of a gut punch [TS]

01:31:28   and to hear Lynn read it with like this [TS]

01:31:31   emotion and paper it's just the right [TS]

01:31:33   amount of emotion you you'd kind of [TS]

01:31:35   needs to be flat most of the way through [TS]

01:31:37   but its just oh yeah it's i think if i [TS]

01:31:41   had just read it i would have liked it i [TS]

01:31:43   think having heard it said that way so [TS]

01:31:46   many times it elevated it to a new level [TS]

01:31:48   for me so just like i may go search out [TS]

01:31:51   the lady astronaut of Mars being read by [TS]

01:31:54   the author [TS]

01:31:55   I i think this one has benefited from [TS]

01:31:58   the audio version as well Rachel [TS]

01:32:01   swarovski wrote the lady who plucked red [TS]

01:32:03   flowers beneath the Queen's window which [TS]

01:32:05   was a hugo nominees in 2011 that's the [TS]

01:32:08   Scott that's the one where that the [TS]

01:32:10   woman gets put in a in a magic mirror [TS]

01:32:12   and keeps waking up like hundreds of [TS]

01:32:14   years later kept being keeps getting [TS]

01:32:16   brought back by various kings and queens [TS]

01:32:18   and people [TS]

01:32:19   oh right i really love it I thought we [TS]

01:32:22   call the end the lady who plucked red [TS]

01:32:24   flowers beneath the Queen's window it's [TS]

01:32:26   really it's linked to from her Wikipedia [TS]

01:32:27   page but it that was that was a really [TS]

01:32:29   good story too and I like this but it is [TS]

01:32:31   it is when we were doing intertexts back [TS]

01:32:35   in the day and publishing science [TS]

01:32:36   fiction every other month on the [TS]

01:32:38   internet back in the like nineties we [TS]

01:32:41   had a rule for submissions that were the [TS]

01:32:43   short that was called short must be [TS]

01:32:44   spectacular and so we've published very [TS]

01:32:46   future insurance because they really do [TS]

01:32:48   need to bring it all the way through [TS]

01:32:51   every word and i read this and i thought [TS]

01:32:53   this spectacular this one would get yes [TS]

01:32:56   yes Rachel ski you do you know you're [TS]

01:32:58   short [TS]

01:32:59   you're super short short is actually [TS]

01:33:01   really great so I liked it [TS]

01:33:05   Scott you post a dinosaur's i'm gonna [TS]

01:33:09   post the dinosaurs and i'm not opposed [TS]

01:33:10   to the short story it's just I thought [TS]

01:33:11   it was well written but didn't really do [TS]

01:33:13   it for me right now that's what I [TS]

01:33:14   thought about the ingredients so very [TS]

01:33:15   well yeah we can we can agree to [TS]

01:33:17   disagree right guys right [TS]

01:33:19   no this contest is over [TS]

01:33:22   alright and other categories we're not [TS]

01:33:25   going to cover all the other categories [TS]

01:33:26   including the one that Erica's podcast [TS]

01:33:28   is nominated in but it's worth I wanted [TS]

01:33:31   to at least mention a couple of things [TS]

01:33:32   the graphic story category is really [TS]

01:33:35   interesting this year [TS]

01:33:36   yeah likin that one too well protected [TS]

01:33:38   so tactics already in the girl who love [TS]

01:33:42   Doctor Who there is a scene where we [TS]

01:33:44   meet the people who are in the very [TS]

01:33:46   podcast however it doesn't actually [TS]

01:33:48   represent the actual people because that [TS]

01:33:50   would involve leaving instruct yeah he [TS]

01:33:53   was instructed not to put any actual [TS]

01:33:54   likenesses or the name of our podcast [TS]

01:33:56   right but it's fine because I know in my [TS]

01:33:58   heart [TS]

01:33:59   yeah that it's your podcast decided [TS]

01:34:00   that's Michael Paul Cornell who is a [TS]

01:34:02   writer i like very much actually and [TS]

01:34:04   that is a beautiful little story short [TS]

01:34:06   story in comic book form where Matt [TS]

01:34:09   Smith's doctor crosses the barriers of [TS]

01:34:13   parallel universes and lands at a Doctor [TS]

01:34:14   Who convention which is entirely [TS]

01:34:16   universe in our universe and it is very [TS]

01:34:18   funny and also very touching [TS]

01:34:20   so it's lovely I like Girl Genius a lot [TS]

01:34:24   but I feel like feelin kinda have [TS]

01:34:25   probably want enough Hugo's yeah it's [TS]

01:34:27   it's like to spread it around so it's [TS]

01:34:29   nominated every year and i've read it [TS]

01:34:31   and it just doesn't I I always loved a [TS]

01:34:33   folio stuff on in dragon magazine back [TS]

01:34:36   in the day but what's new with phil and [TS]

01:34:38   dixie and all that but yet girl genius [TS]

01:34:40   never really did it for me and it's [TS]

01:34:41   there every year and i look at it again [TS]

01:34:43   every year and think now it's just not [TS]

01:34:44   just do it for me [TS]

01:34:46   saga is nominated and saga is one of my [TS]

01:34:49   favorite comics and vol.2 was an [TS]

01:34:51   excellent volume so I'm really excited [TS]

01:34:54   about that XKCD got nominated which is [TS]

01:34:59   interesting for the time in common one [TS]

01:35:02   yeah I thought it was an interesting [TS]

01:35:03   idea that had a lot of filler in it that [TS]

01:35:07   the time spent teasing out the [TS]

01:35:09   interesting stuff in that i sell could [TS]

01:35:12   have been better spent by me [TS]

01:35:14   probably wouldn to bed [TS]

01:35:16   but I could have could have been and [TS]

01:35:20   then the meat house man I don't know [TS]

01:35:21   anything about my having read it it's a [TS]

01:35:23   george RR martin king seal of approval [TS]

01:35:26   I don't know anything about that uh [TS]

01:35:30   dramatic presentation long-form category [TS]

01:35:32   has frozen which is a movie that I [TS]

01:35:35   really should see my kids have seen it a [TS]

01:35:36   million times but I haven't seen it [TS]

01:35:38   gravity the second Hunger Games movie [TS]

01:35:40   iron man 3 and pacific rim by the ladies [TS]

01:35:44   in that category [TS]

01:35:45   yes lots nice and i still haven't even [TS]

01:35:49   seen all of DC I need to catch up [TS]

01:35:51   yeah i haven't seen catching fire or [TS]

01:35:52   frozen which are really ought to do I've [TS]

01:35:53   seen iron man 3 pacific rim and gravity [TS]

01:35:55   well its good points in Pacific Rim [TS]

01:35:57   visit a category where I've seen all of [TS]

01:35:59   them all right Monty thanks for doing [TS]

01:36:02   your research i love gravity [TS]

01:36:05   I think gravity is a fantastic movie I [TS]

01:36:07   thought iron man 3 was fine i thought [TS]

01:36:09   just to clear out her love for grabbing [TS]

01:36:11   I i do love i love force I love horses [TS]

01:36:14   not equally because they're not equal [TS]

01:36:16   but I do with my mental force and I like [TS]

01:36:18   the strong force more than the weak [TS]

01:36:20   force obviously obviously it really goes [TS]

01:36:22   without saying I I haven't seen catching [TS]

01:36:25   fire i like the first Hunger Games movie [TS]

01:36:27   I just haven't seen the second one and [TS]

01:36:28   frozen everybody loves I i just saw [TS]

01:36:31   frozen it was it was cute [TS]

01:36:32   it's fine yeah like I gravity left me [TS]

01:36:35   cold i wasn't it [TS]

01:36:37   haha i have makin gravity [TS]

01:36:40   you're welcome did you see it in the [TS]

01:36:42   theater Erica I did it was it was it was [TS]

01:36:46   like I i enjoyed it in the way that i [TS]

01:36:48   enjoyed the like Universal Studios [TS]

01:36:50   experiences it was like everybody is a [TS]

01:36:52   little bit around that is better didn't [TS]

01:36:54   have a story or characters that I cared [TS]

01:36:56   about him so thats i saw gravity in imax [TS]

01:36:58   theater and thought it was the best [TS]

01:37:00   thing I've ever seen [TS]

01:37:01   I see no reason to see it on a smaller [TS]

01:37:03   screen yes yeah yeah it looks great on [TS]

01:37:06   an iphone and iron man 3 I think there's [TS]

01:37:11   a lot of people when I was complaining [TS]

01:37:12   on Twitter the other day about how I [TS]

01:37:13   really didn't like Thor 2 which 42 is in [TS]

01:37:17   the grand scheme of movies involving [TS]

01:37:18   Thor it's about 9999 in quality i think [TS]

01:37:23   i hope i really didn't like it so I [TS]

01:37:25   point out adventures in babysitting much [TS]

01:37:26   better for movie 02 to have [TS]

01:37:29   door have a much better yeah yeah we [TS]

01:37:32   could do all of those jokes but anyway I [TS]

01:37:34   mentioned and somebody said you know [TS]

01:37:35   something about bad about iron man 3 and [TS]

01:37:37   was like you know I kind of like it we [TS]

01:37:38   didn't we'd never thought about I like [TS]

01:37:40   fine man 3 I like that get them out of [TS]

01:37:41   the suit [TS]

01:37:42   I like that it's not the same movie is [TS]

01:37:44   iron man two was like let's do that [TS]

01:37:45   movie again I know it's like a totally [TS]

01:37:47   every movie he's kind of messed up which [TS]

01:37:49   tony stark's much better when he's [TS]

01:37:50   messed up so I like that movie [TS]

01:37:51   yeah interesting way of dealing with [TS]

01:37:54   mental health issues which is something [TS]

01:37:56   you don't see often enough i think in in [TS]

01:37:57   popular culture and Tony Stark I mean my [TS]

01:37:59   comics to he deals with alcoholism I [TS]

01:38:01   mean he's kind of a messed-up he's the [TS]

01:38:02   messed-up rich guy and then that is [TS]

01:38:04   that's his flaw is my kryptonite it's [TS]

01:38:06   that he's messed up he's rich and [TS]

01:38:07   brilliant but he's kind of emotionally [TS]

01:38:10   messed up and that was that was gonna be [TS]

01:38:13   the ending is a letdown because it's [TS]

01:38:14   just computer flying suits flying really [TS]

01:38:16   well yeah but I like computer flying [TS]

01:38:19   suits flooring and then he destroys all [TS]

01:38:20   the suits for no reason the reason only [TS]

01:38:23   waste of money [TS]

01:38:24   vnd so rich he doesn't care and Pacific [TS]

01:38:27   Rim people want me to do an episode of [TS]

01:38:29   the incomparable about pacific rim or [TS]

01:38:31   giant monsters I could maybe see I I [TS]

01:38:33   thought pacific rim suck sorry everybody [TS]

01:38:35   in yet but I am NOT looking forward to [TS]

01:38:38   it I like the mo del Toro but I thought [TS]

01:38:40   it was just terrible it's a good popcorn [TS]

01:38:42   movie big robots hitting at Monster High [TS]

01:38:44   like specifically to know I thought it [TS]

01:38:46   was fun i enjoyed it a lot [TS]

01:38:48   I was discovered that i'm super [TS]

01:38:50   distracted if Charlie days in a movie [TS]

01:38:53   yeah i'm i'm worried about that too huh [TS]

01:38:56   oh man he plays a brilliant scientist [TS]

01:38:58   and the whole time you're thinking [TS]

01:38:59   you're no scientist [TS]

01:39:02   yeah yeah i don't i don't want to watch [TS]

01:39:07   big robots been hitting big miners that [TS]

01:39:09   sounds really boring to video I don't [TS]

01:39:11   know all the groups [TS]

01:39:12   yeah i wanna i wanna watch bigger about [TS]

01:39:14   sitting big monsters but i want to watch [TS]

01:39:15   a better movie about them [TS]

01:39:17   yeah well they're doing is equal yeah [TS]

01:39:19   there you go i'm showing the United [TS]

01:39:21   series about that are too many comic and [TS]

01:39:24   that really feel like a comic book is [TS]

01:39:25   the ideal venue for this I i think i [TS]

01:39:28   agree with you on that point I really [TS]

01:39:30   love the Shogun warriors comics of the [TS]

01:39:32   seventies in the in the dramatic [TS]

01:39:35   presentation short form category [TS]

01:39:36   adventure in space and time which is the [TS]

01:39:39   docudrama about the creation of Doctor [TS]

01:39:41   Who written by Marcus [TS]

01:39:43   which is excellence it's yes but not [TS]

01:39:45   science fiction outsider one scene [TS]

01:39:47   yeah it's not science fiction their two [TS]

01:39:49   episodes of Doctor Who the day of the [TS]

01:39:50   doctor in the name of the doctor so [TS]

01:39:52   you've got your 50th anniversary episode [TS]

01:39:54   and also the season finale of The of the [TS]

01:39:57   previous season you've got the five ish [TS]

01:40:00   doctors reboot which is a a comedy about [TS]

01:40:03   Doctor Who by peter davison there's the [TS]

01:40:08   game of Thrones episode with the red [TS]

01:40:09   wedding in it and there's the orphan [TS]

01:40:11   black episode that Erica hated that [TS]

01:40:13   gotta take that is that is the one that [TS]

01:40:16   I thought was the best episode of last [TS]

01:40:17   season or the first season which is the [TS]

01:40:19   one where there's the the party at [TS]

01:40:22   allison clone alison's house and lots of [TS]

01:40:24   bad things happen and she ties up her [TS]

01:40:26   husband tries to torture him [TS]

01:40:27   I don't know how I don't know how good i [TS]

01:40:30   think im gonna vote the the day of the [TS]

01:40:32   doctor number one because I truly truly [TS]

01:40:34   love to share the 50th anniversary [TS]

01:40:37   although the red wedding is also great [TS]

01:40:38   an orphan black is also great how are [TS]

01:40:40   you that voting for Peter Davison will [TS]

01:40:42   see what I was proceeding with a comedy [TS]

01:40:45   sketch it's fine it was funny it was [TS]

01:40:48   cute but i just i don't think it [TS]

01:40:50   compared even like that one iota to the [TS]

01:40:53   day of the doctor today the dr is [TS]

01:40:54   currently my favorite episode of Doctor [TS]

01:40:56   Who in the last 50 yeah and doctor [TS]

01:40:58   doctor who magazine whole agrees with [TS]

01:41:00   you [TS]

01:41:01   yes specifically the last 50 years [TS]

01:41:04   yes is there a William Hartnell and held [TS]

01:41:07   right at the beginning he has sex is [TS]

01:41:10   pretty damn good [TS]

01:41:12   now watch so much moment to the other [TS]

01:41:13   day the very first episode of an [TS]

01:41:16   unearthly child is a pretty darn close [TS]

01:41:18   second everybody good [TS]

01:41:19   it is very good yeah yeah the day of the [TS]

01:41:21   doctor just it's it's the only thing [TS]

01:41:24   that filled me with delight from start [TS]

01:41:27   to finish out of all those just I loved [TS]

01:41:30   it and I hated name of the doctor so [TS]

01:41:33   yeah really interesting i have issues i [TS]

01:41:36   liked parts of it but I when I watched [TS]

01:41:38   yeah I don't have issues like bits and [TS]

01:41:39   piece i mean at least it's not time of [TS]

01:41:42   the doctor [TS]

01:41:43   yeah yeah that I still yes so so so [TS]

01:41:47   rains of castamere the red wedding was a [TS]

01:41:50   big deal and it is certainly well [TS]

01:41:52   executed although I feel like part of so [TS]

01:41:54   to speak part haha part of the [TS]

01:41:56   part of the nomination here is well [TS]

01:41:57   important plot points happened in that [TS]

01:42:00   episode [TS]

01:42:01   yeah it's such a downer it makes them [TS]

01:42:02   it's hard for me to vote for something [TS]

01:42:04   that is just that heavy and and dark but [TS]

01:42:07   it's a wedding [TS]

01:42:08   yeah you're right i will never vote for [TS]

01:42:11   weddings read or any other familiar [TS]

01:42:13   yeah so I am I love Game of Thrones and [TS]

01:42:16   that and that is my favorite orphan [TS]

01:42:18   black I believe I actually nominated [TS]

01:42:19   that episode and it got nominated and I [TS]

01:42:21   so rarely something I nominate actually [TS]

01:42:23   gets nominated I'm so off the map in [TS]

01:42:26   terms of things I think are good that [TS]

01:42:27   should should be on the hugo nomination [TS]

01:42:29   list but very it variations under [TS]

01:42:31   domestication is the orphan black [TS]

01:42:33   episode I nominated and it's there so [TS]

01:42:34   I'm very excited about that if I were [TS]

01:42:36   voting that would be my second choice [TS]

01:42:38   see I think if they would have done the [TS]

01:42:41   entire if they could have said you know [TS]

01:42:42   the entire series as long form or [TS]

01:42:45   something or maybe even if it was a [TS]

01:42:47   different episode i would probably put [TS]

01:42:48   it up at number two because I adore [TS]

01:42:50   orphan black but just the fact that it's [TS]

01:42:52   this episode I don't think the least [TS]

01:42:54   favorite it's so hard to think about [TS]

01:42:56   food and rest of us like that Erica [TS]

01:42:59   that's what we're saying that the [TS]

01:43:00   residents might know i like it weird [TS]

01:43:03   it's okay they're more parasite books [TS]

01:43:07   coming so may I may or may not read them [TS]

01:43:12   I like beginnings [TS]

01:43:13   yeah we should say the best fancast [TS]

01:43:16   category is the couch street podcast [TS]

01:43:19   galactic suburbia which includes tansy [TS]

01:43:21   rayner Roberts she's nominated twice [TS]

01:43:23   because she's also one of the verities [TS]

01:43:24   of the SF signal podcast skippy and [TS]

01:43:29   fanti and that's a includes a Sean and [TS]

01:43:32   and Paul who were on the nebula episode [TS]

01:43:34   of teen jeopardy [TS]

01:43:36   Verity I'm a writer in the critics oh [TS]

01:43:40   there's that's a it's a great collection [TS]

01:43:41   of podcasts they're all right there's a [TS]

01:43:43   lot of podcasts it's not i know somebody [TS]

01:43:45   on the Galactic suburbia podcast that's [TS]

01:43:48   all nice and cool inning [TS]

01:43:51   yeah Martinez very subtle mounting is [TS]

01:43:54   very subtle [TS]

01:43:55   yeah I noticed a glaring omission on [TS]

01:43:57   best fat cast it's a fine line up but [TS]

01:44:00   random track wasn't eligible yet next [TS]

01:44:02   next next next year I'm talking of [TS]

01:44:05   course over the income [TS]

01:44:06   well I you know I as when I put it on my [TS]

01:44:08   ballot I certainly did as we are more as [TS]

01:44:10   we get more known who knows perhaps they [TS]

01:44:12   will know us and love us [TS]

01:44:13   perhaps they will know it's not love us [TS]

01:44:15   knows that's impossible [TS]

01:44:18   the boss that's not true that's [TS]

01:44:20   impossible [TS]

01:44:21   alright alright we've reached the end we [TS]

01:44:24   did it we made it through except for [TS]

01:44:25   almost novella still have to read before [TS]

01:44:27   I vote we're gonna talk about the john w [TS]

01:44:30   campbell award for best right all we [TS]

01:44:32   could but that's not as you know if you [TS]

01:44:33   could do you know not a Huguenot if you [TS]

01:44:36   go [TS]

01:44:36   not-not-not hugo award Wesley to max [TS]

01:44:40   Gladstone Rome as mom who I know a [TS]

01:44:43   little bit now and i like very much and [TS]

01:44:45   I liked his two novels Sophia samatar we [TS]

01:44:47   mentioned to the road to stranger and [TS]

01:44:48   laundry and Benjamin noon oh my god i [TS]

01:44:52   think is that is that a tiny mites I [TS]

01:44:54   cannot do it is that a typo a man like [TS]

01:44:58   it yeah battle been a dns i like to call [TS]

01:45:00   him [TS]

01:45:01   yeah they're nominated i have i I've [TS]

01:45:03   only read Ramez and Sophia cemetery in [TS]

01:45:06   that category so I I can't say well i [TS]

01:45:09   really like any I like Max Gladstone a [TS]

01:45:11   lot so he's gonna do you vote for this [TS]

01:45:14   I'm going to vote for it yeah you can [TS]

01:45:15   vote for even though it's not a hugo i [TS]

01:45:17   will vote for maxence cyrin wish I read [TS]

01:45:19   by Max Gladstone he wrote a sounds like [TS]

01:45:23   a fake name by the way so it's like a [TS]

01:45:25   superhero is like Joe seal its leader [TS]

01:45:27   mad max flat stone yeah the first one is [TS]

01:45:30   three parts dead so base its this I [TS]

01:45:34   talked about an episode of the income [TS]

01:45:35   yeah at some point i'll go back and [TS]

01:45:36   listen I should listen to be [TS]

01:45:37   uncomfortable here it's good i mean not [TS]

01:45:39   gonna nominate no let me know it's not [TS]

01:45:41   very but it's not pretty good [TS]

01:45:44   well that that's for sure however I've [TS]

01:45:47   heard very good things about Wesley [TS]

01:45:49   choose the lives of doubt i was actually [TS]

01:45:51   at his release party for that book [TS]

01:45:53   chicago and i still haven't gotten [TS]

01:45:54   around to reading it so it's on my list [TS]

01:45:56   i'm going to and everybody says it's [TS]

01:45:57   good so I'm hoping that they are not [TS]

01:45:59   lying to me [TS]

01:46:00   the reports dead is in the hugo packet [TS]

01:46:02   because of the Campbell so i will read [TS]

01:46:03   three parts dead [TS]

01:46:04   you should it's good i will good can you [TS]

01:46:07   find my name's Mikey buying books from [TS]

01:46:10   like I've never read these books because [TS]

01:46:12   there are Garrett there because there's [TS]

01:46:15   just too many Hugo nominations and not [TS]

01:46:17   in you go [TS]

01:46:18   the Campbell read read the new drywall [TS]

01:46:19   books I want to read the neutral Walton [TS]

01:46:21   book I desperately want to read it [TS]

01:46:22   because I love John Walton and [TS]

01:46:23   everything she writes and yet you guys [TS]

01:46:26   I've CCU goes in the way you guys are on [TS]

01:46:30   the way I gotta listen all the fancast [TS]

01:46:31   too so i can decide what I'm gonna vote [TS]

01:46:33   below Verity and no war nice cover [TS]

01:46:39   yeah why and and now I know the the [TS]

01:46:43   people from SF signal and skipping and [TS]

01:46:45   fancy to and then you can see through [TS]

01:46:46   the charity is a message sorry kid [TS]

01:46:48   street and writer and critic into [TS]

01:46:50   jeopardy I don't know who you people are [TS]

01:46:52   so i guess i gotta listen I'll have to [TS]

01:46:54   listen to more podcasts what a shame [TS]

01:46:55   that is a good way to find out [TS]

01:46:56   on that note and on that note yes we [TS]

01:46:59   have defeated the universe for another [TS]

01:47:01   or have they defeated us you decide dear [TS]

01:47:03   listener but for now you're going to [TS]

01:47:06   close up the old Hugo bag and you can [TS]

01:47:08   stay tuned at the end of august to find [TS]

01:47:11   out who the winners are and we'll all be [TS]

01:47:14   rooting for Erica oh yeah so so i would [TS]

01:47:20   like to thank my guests as i always do [TS]

01:47:21   monte actually thank you for traveling [TS]

01:47:23   backward in time in your time machine to [TS]

01:47:25   read the retro Hugo's science fiction [TS]

01:47:27   was better than nineteen thirties news [TS]

01:47:29   well it was shorter fewer pesky [TS]

01:47:33   characters and dialogue to deal with [TS]

01:47:35   back then more space pirates and [TS]

01:47:38   airships yes thanks David lower for [TS]

01:47:40   being here and now you're going to be [TS]

01:47:42   you're going to die and be taken aboard [TS]

01:47:43   zeppelin it's happened before [TS]

01:47:45   yeah it will be different time Scott [TS]

01:47:48   melty thank you for joining me on this [TS]

01:47:50   journey again through many books some of [TS]

01:47:52   which we might not have chosen to read [TS]

01:47:54   too but we read them because we had to [TS]

01:47:56   it is our lot in life [TS]

01:47:58   yeah Jason this is the path we have [TS]

01:48:01   chosen Ashley now we must block it next [TS]

01:48:04   year we're gonna skip the he goes right [TS]

01:48:06   we're just going to the nebulous all [TS]

01:48:07   nebula solve it depends on if they give [TS]

01:48:09   americana award that's true we do the [TS]

01:48:12   five fancast I have no trouble with [TS]

01:48:13   those and Erica thanks for being here [TS]

01:48:17   and good luck on your human nomination [TS]

01:48:19   it's very exciting [TS]

01:48:20   oh thank you very much i hope we can all [TS]

01:48:22   still be friends yes not because of you [TS]

01:48:24   guys is because the people are different [TS]

01:48:26   opinion fit you mean once you're famous [TS]

01:48:29   in [TS]

01:48:30   you want me over by throwing the last [TS]

01:48:32   half of parasite under the bus that was [TS]

01:48:34   like I'll go with that was going to put [TS]

01:48:37   it under the bus maybe under the seat on [TS]

01:48:39   the bus [TS]

01:48:40   mmm yeah yeah but I hbu what you don't [TS]

01:48:43   know is that i made a hole under the [TS]

01:48:44   seat [TS]

01:48:45   crap I I said the bus on fire so don't [TS]

01:48:50   worry [TS]

01:48:51   well i hope none of you has a tapeworm [TS]

01:48:53   all I'll say about that and I love your [TS]

01:48:57   classic catchphrase about tapeworms [TS]

01:48:59   alright that wraps it up this time we [TS]

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01:49:28   listening one last time and we'll see [TS]

01:49:30   you next week bye everybody [TS]