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00:00:15 ◼   ► incomparable number 202 july 24 [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason Snell it's [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► episode number 202 and are like fifth in [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► a row fourth in a row episode where we [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► detail the nominees for the hugo awards [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the awards that I was paying attention [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► to as a kid there by science fiction [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► fans voting for the favorite science [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► fiction stuff of the year we have will [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► try to get the spoilers kind of light so [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► you can maybe discover some of these [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► things a lot of the stuff is available [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► short stories are largely available [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► online books of course are available for [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► you to purchase and so we're going to [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► try to not totally spoil everything but [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I maybe you will discover some [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► interesting things to read as we discuss [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► some of these things that have been [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► nominated for awards which is usually a [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► pretty good sign [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► not always but usually joining me to [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► discuss the this this year's a batch of [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► Hugo's as always is my compatriot in [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► reading scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► hello God you did you do all the reading [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► i know i didn't I did I read all the [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► novel's I read all the short stories I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► read half the novelettes and none of the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► novella alright thats that's your your [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► your in my ballpark actually there so [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► get out of my ballpark now I just [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► wandered in here all right [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► yes we left the gates unlocked that [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► happens is security is quite poor David [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► laura is also out there David you [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► haven't done one of these before [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► hello hello what well you know I have a [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► fear of mirror grant novels so what did [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► you read i rid most of the retro hugo [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► nominees [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► excellent ok so we should explain that [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that in addition to the best honoring [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► the best stuff from the last year the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► retro Hugo's are honoring the best stuff [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► from 1939 from 75 years ago and and [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► David read a lot of that stuff along [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► with Monty Ashley hi Monty didn't David [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► and Monty are are representing the past [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the distant past and then we're [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► representing the the recent past now i [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► also have failed to and introduce my my [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► fourth guest [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► it's erica and sign who herself is a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► hugo nominees this year for the very [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► podcast which is nominated in the best [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► fancast categories we g-guys the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► nominees are here dick that actually [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► took me by surprise when you said that [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► because I was all ready to sit down and [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► talk about the books and stuff yeah oh [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► well that's right there's that thing we [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► will not talk about the best fancast [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► category because we're not gonna put you [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► on the spot but Faraday is a wandering [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► look Cass and you are up for a hugo [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► which is super awesome [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► it gets my vote oh and we stand and [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► those of us who paid for memberships do [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► get to vote so i think we have voters on [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► this on this episode [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► yes I mine yes i know i'm a voter I'm a [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► voter i am to monitor you voting i'm not [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► a voter this year you do me no good if [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► you want to tell me what your vote for [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► the review goes you can have my ballot [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► for the record you going to talk about [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► that vote for galactic patrol yeah I [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► read that 1i ok maybe you can have my [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► vote anyway we'll get there we'll get [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► we'll get there so it's so we got a [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► couple things to go through here and and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► we've read sort of different parts Erica [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► what if you read of the of the stuff [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► that's been nominated i have read all of [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► the short stories novelettes and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► novellas and i finished two of the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► novel's gave up on two of them and [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► haven't started on the wheel of time [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► alright yeah i should point out when i [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► said all the novel's I did not read the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► wheel of time right [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► I wondered about that is not a novel but [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► rather a series of novels on nominated [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► together i read the first 60 pages of [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► the wheel of time to get ready hiring [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► out a few thousand yeah hi I tried to [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► read it many many years ago and knew [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► that I was not going to finish [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► no just like the author and the author i [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► was doing 14 times when he was still a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► lot yeah so that kind of girl so when [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► they announced that they were going to [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► continue them i went [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► ya know so let's let's get started with [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► the the modern Hugo's and talk about a [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► best novel let's start there [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► that's the big one and then move into [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the short fiction picky the big game [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► hunting [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yes I thought it was interesting short [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► fiction too but we'll start with we'll [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► start with best novel five nominees in [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► this category we can start by mentioning [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► the wheel of time I haven't read any of [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► it they were nice enough to put it in [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the voter packet so I now have these 30 [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► books or whatever it is all welded [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► together in one beep up so gigantic one [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► kindle book file so gigantic that when i [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► tried to send it to amazon amazon said [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► this can't be a book it's much too large [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► i try to send it like three times and [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► there's like no sorry [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► nope stupid gets to insanely big I [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► haven't read i haven't read it I've [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► heard from people who read it and said [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► they liked it when it started and then [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► over time it just kind of kept on going [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► and they and they dropped out the author [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► died and then they brought in brandon [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► sanderson to finish it because it had [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► never been nominated for you go before [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► it was eligible in this loophole in the [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► rules to be nominated as a complete see [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► realized work so it's in the category [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► and as a whole as all the products I [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► don't think technically it's a loophole [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► because it is spelled out in the rules [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► it's hard getting ridiculous rule then [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► in order to this rule it is not a [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► loophole okay fair enough i did it [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► it's a rule that makes sense if you [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► think about i think what it was supposed [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► to be for 4c realized works like like [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the green mile which was published [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► bit-by-bit seven actually a winner [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► a few years ago connie willis is [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► blackout and all clear which was [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► literally a novel chopped in half and [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► published by mean they didn't publish [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and then cut the books in half HR the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► manuscript to happen published it as two [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► books i just want to clear about that [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► but it was one story and it was [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► nominated together and one and that was [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► a perfectly reasonable i would say use [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► but this is decades of books stitch [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► together into one nominee anybody out [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► there read enough of this to make a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► comment about the wheel of time I [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► attempted to read the first book many [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► years ago and i got about 200 pages in [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► and the the character was like still [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► trying to walk out of his village and I [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► thought okay I'm done nothing further [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► than I did [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► yes i love love love the journey song [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► though I really wanted to read the first [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► to last book and see if I could guess [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► what happened between if there are any [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► characters and common do come [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► wow that was a funny idea then only [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► that's called to eating than practical [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► just tweening between the two books see [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► what happens in the meantime just a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► computer could do that [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► alright well the time is there i didn't [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► i didn't tackle it either i might try to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► read some of the first book just to get [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► a sense of it before i put the cast my [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► vote but like I can't talk about another [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► book that got nominated was ancillary [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► justice we've already talked about this [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► on at least i think three episodes of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► the incomparable because it was a Scot [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► recommendation for the best of his [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► favorite book from last year and then we [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► did an episode where half of it was to [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► us talking about it and then in our [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► nebula Awards episode it was nominated [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► for and won the nebula award we also [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► said very nice things about it there [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► that's right i can go back and listen to [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► all three for those episodes now hooray [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► so head it'll get my vote for the hugo [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► yeah i think the worst thing I'd say [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► about it was that it seemed like there [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► were too many ideas in it which I now [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► think is a good thing it's not a decimal [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► of of criticism that's not so bad [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► Erica did you read ancillary justice i [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► did manage to finish it like just under [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► the wire i think it was last night [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► finished with what did you think what [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► did I i really liked it I'd it was not [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► an easy read it actually felt like a [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► little bit of a slog from time to time [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► but it was very much worth the effort [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► i would say yeah I would agree with that [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► and i agree with Monty I think it does [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► have maybe a few too many things thrown [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► in that made it needlessly complicated [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► like as we said in one of the previous [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► episodes I feel like while the the fact [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that the language that the character is [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► speaking doesn't have any concept of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► gender and so she is used to describe [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► every character in the book except a [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► couple very specific points i thought [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► that was an interesting idea it brought [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► to mind the left hand of darkness at the [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► same time I felt the book was much more [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► about like personality and identity than [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► actually about gender and I [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► don't like it was an interesting trick [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► and yet didn't seem as connected to what [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► the book was about as some of the other [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► stuff that's in there so it felt like an [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► idea too much [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► see I think you're right that it wasn't [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► connected but that was why i liked it i [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► feel like if it had been if it had if [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► that had been one of the things that [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► they were sort of she was hitting us [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► over the head with I think that it would [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► have been one idea too much but i like [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► the idea that was just just sort of [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► permanent background tapestry of this [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► world and just something you had to [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► learn to accept it's also the first book [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► in that she's written and the first book [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► obviously in this week universe that [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► she's going to revisit and it you know [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► it's hard to differentiate the trappings [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► of the universe and the culture from [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► what happens in this book and I imagine [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► that the the gender stuff is more about [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► the culture that she's built up here [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► then it is actually about what the book [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► is but you can tell because there's only [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► the one book right now so we can tell [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► it's a good book though you should read [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it thats that's what we're saying here [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► is you should read it it's a good book [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah stop listening to this podcast in [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► real reason no no you should listen o [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► keep lachemann to find other books to [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► read 20 that's right there is a there's [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► a short story in the same universe right [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► the next novel is not know [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► alright I Neptune's brewed by charles [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► stross which is a sequel sort of us not [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► a sequel said in the same universe as [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► saturn's children which was nominated a [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► few years ago which I read but uh [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► totally unconnected honestly and you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► don't need to have read 12 if read the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► other this is a wild space on this is [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► not charles stross 'as / near future [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Scotland kind of thing or tech expert [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► you know near-term tech-focused this is [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► his wild crazy and broads opera sort of [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► thing and get boring Scott fairness [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► expand on that please can I just felt [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► like i was reading a book about [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► economics that had fallen through some [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► kind of time hole and ended up on my [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► desk with a little story put into it too [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► padded so that i could learn about slow [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► money and fast money and media money and [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► how the bank's bitcoin and bitcoin and I [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► I don't care about any of this I don't [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► understand what this character is doing [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► she's a like a what is a financial [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► archivist who is looking for some kind [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► of laundered money and I just didn't [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► like it I i kinda liked it [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► I see what you're saying completely it [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► is i was laughing at several points and [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► trying to explain to my wife this book [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► i'm reading is essentially about an [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► accountant a space but a space [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► accountant a space forensic accountant [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and and and and a space a con game and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and then at some point she's turned into [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► a mermaid right and in order to find out [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► more about the design some financial [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► documents just seriously it is it so i [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► was i was kind of amazed by just how [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► wild a a conglomeration of ideas this [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► was because you haven't even mentioned [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the the pair the parasite or not pairs [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► of the Pirates the space pirates the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► space account pirates who are actually [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► account also accountants or the and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► likely and red monkey people are dog [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► people or something to there in like [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► animal animal pirate yeah accounts [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► back-to-back-to-back people that's what [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► they are none of them are actually [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► people right because people are meat [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► yeah that's right there that's actually [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► a really nice point to that the that [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► human beings in Neptune's brood are in [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► this universe are extinct essentially [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► and there's there's a cult that kind of [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► like keeps them around reconstitute them [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► every now and then but they can't seem [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► to keep them alive we're like the their [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► human humans are like the guinea pigs of [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► this world when you try to get the out [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► its diet diet again is so I mean I [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► thought it was ambitious but not for me [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► yeah I i don't know i like the the mug [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it it's a Moorish kind of MacGuffin plot [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► with all these bizarre economics thrown [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► in and like I said I I i enjoyed the [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► fact that this character is bouncing [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► from place to place in this crazy [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► widescreen sci-fi universe it enough [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► that the fact that then we would have a [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► chapter explaining future economics [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► didn't bother me so much but it's [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► totally a weird but [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► Erica did you read this one I read the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► excerpt that was provided by orbit into [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the hugo packet and honestly I'm not [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► even sure I quite got to the end of that [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► actually did and it was I felt like it [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► was it was very well written like it was [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► a good use of words and it was an [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► interesting world but I just didn't feel [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► connected to it in any way it was too [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► much work for me to to figure out what [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► was going on as i was reading it like i [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► said ancillary justice was a little [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► sloppy at times [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► this was also very sloggi the difference [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► was I was interested in what was [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► happening in ancillary justice and I [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► wanted to find out what this world was [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like and what happened next [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and it was kind of the opposite in [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► enough to intrude i just i really didn't [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► care so if i have time before voting is [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► closed i may go back in and try to [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► finish it be kind of a morbid curiosity [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► she didn't care that the main character [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► got to the mystery of what was in those [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► ledger books [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► yeah there is there is a key scene on a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► on a moon of Neptune or no moon of [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► Jupiter where there's books in a library [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► that have important numbers written on [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► them and then there is a descendant deep [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► into the depths of a giant ocean in [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► order to find out more about accounting [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► so yeah you're not selling it to me so [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► maybe i will stick with the wheel of [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► time with two I feel like the descent [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► into the depths I didn't the center of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► the depth is actually a pretty [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► interesting part of the book it's it's a [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► it's a nice kind of climax to the book [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► but you cannot deny the fact that what [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► they're really doing is trying to find [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► information to be exchanged about [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► financial transactions [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► oh it's crazy it is a bizarre bazaar [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► book but I kind of enjoyed it but obey [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► because i was along for the ride of the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► of the of the wacky plot but man there's [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► a lot of monetary policy in there too if [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► I had read it in a vacuum without [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► cramming it in with a bunch of other [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► books that i was actually comparing it [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► to i think i would have enjoyed it a lot [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► more just because it would have I think [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► maybe filled the space a little bit [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► it would have been distracting motor [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► rated in a vacuum because of that loud [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► sucking noise now that's just like a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► grand sport [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► so we have two more books to talk about [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► uh I wanna I i actually just finished [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► warbound by Larry Correia which you know [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► ok so there's some controversy about the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► hugo nominations this year because [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► there's this feeling that they were sort [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► of a slate of candidates who were sort [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► of a conservative Republican or [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► right-wingers or moderates or whatever [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► you could get are libertarians or [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► whatever there but there was a sort of [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► ideological pushing the feeling is that [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► somebody's people around on the [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► nominations list because there was a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► slate that was put out there that people [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► voted for I believe Larry Correia the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► author of warbound is one of those [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► people believe he was kinda I think he [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► said he I think he may be did the slate [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► yeah warbound his book three of the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► grimoire chronicles which so a series i [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► did not read the other two books but I [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► did read all of warbound did anybody [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► else read this book i read it what you [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► think Scott I thought it was better than [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► its title was like I agree the title the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► title the title is Erica did you read it [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► I haven't finished it I beg briefly [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► ragequit and then I come back I will [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► come back to it again if i have time its [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► it well first off it should be called [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► like spellbound or something because [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► there's a character in it who's got the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► spellbound thing but it's called [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► warbound like we're off to war sort of [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► and it's not very good [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► ok so that we don't like the title go [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► ahead Scott I thought it was [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► entertaining i mean i don't think so my [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► problems with Hugo's and we've talked [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► about this before is that I always [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► thought of them kind of like science [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► fiction's answer to the Oscars but [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► they're really the people's choice [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► awards which are far less prestigious so [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► I mean if people like to read this kind [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► of stuff which i think they do it's easy [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► to read I can see how it can be [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► appealing to some folks i read it very [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► quickly so i didn't reach quit so that's [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► a good thing [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► yeah I thought it was entertaining kind [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► of like bubblegum kinda you know kind of [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► a paperback I could imagine like in the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the fifties seeing this in the drugstore [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► for like a nickel [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► I liked so I I I thought it was [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► perfectly confidently done I i thought [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► there were aspects of it that I thought [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► were quite clever just in the sense that [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► it's set in this world of magic but the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► way magic really works is he describes [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► it at several points as being it's more [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► like physics that is multi-dimensional [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► and hard to understand so there's this [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► component of on top of its like this [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► isn't just well there's magic it's sort [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► of like trying to explain it and that [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► there are creatures that live in the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► other dimensions that are battling and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► what we see is this emergence of magic [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► is actually this battle between these [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► two different kind of creatures one of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► whom is the prey of the other 1i thought [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► that was all kind of interesting [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► the characters are flat he's trying to [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► he's trying to give it this honestly on [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► a marketing level he's trying to get [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► this hard-edged noir detective feel I [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► think in part because he feels like [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► that's a really cool shandra and knowing [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► a little bit about the politics at work [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► here i have to say it i think he is [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► afraid to commit to it being steampunk [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► which is actually what it is because [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► steampunk is perceived as being kind of [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► more girly and Lefty [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► then perhaps a conservative Republican [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► author would like to be involved with [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► but I gotta say this is the steam this [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► reads like steampunk magic to me not [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► like hard-bitten or detective in the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► main character [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► I you know I get the sense that he's [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► trying to come across as this [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► hard-bitten former p I and it doesn't [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► play that way to me it plays much more [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► as a fantasy with it's got airships and [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► for God's sake it is to us and said [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► Buckminster Fuller building some kind of [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► crazy gadgets crazy gadgets so yeah but [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► I I enjoyed all that they're there is a [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► moment early on where one of the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► characters actually be picking up from [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► last episode we talked about Yankee [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Doodle Dandy and the framing sequence [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► involving Roosevelt there is a sequence [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► involving Teddy R franklin roosevelt in [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► this too and that was the moment where I [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► almost ragequit the book Erica because [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► that's the moment that [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the moment where Roosevelt's like oh [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► well you know the rest of us basically a [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► cartoon villain then we're gonna put all [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the people in camps who have magic we're [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► going to round them up and put them in [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► games and and the and the main character [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► and he's not [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► turns out not the main character one of [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► the characters says something about i [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► I've learned that the government always [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► comes to take your stuff and government [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► is the enemy and must be something like [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► oh jeez here we go who is John Galt and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► honestly that's sort of all that i ended [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► up getting from that it's sort of what [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► it abated and then it never came back [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► but that was that more was rolling my [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► eyes like yes Franklin Roosevelt is a [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► cartoon villain telling you all the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► evils of government in the middle of a [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► war which he was really bad at Wars you [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► know Roosevelt he was very bad at those [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► so welcome to wait until he died [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► um well I was I was rolling my eyes [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► pretty hard at that point [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► yeah that was not the moment that I rage [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► time for one of our fine sponsors on the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► incomparable and it is a returning [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► sponsor that we like a whole lot its [TS]

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00:20:34 ◼   ► that you go if you want to learn [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► something quite frankly almost anything [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► you can think of in the tech space you [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► can learn from a video course at [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► lynda.comlynda.com gives me the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► confidence to say that because it's got [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► more than 2,000 high quality and [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► engaging video series in its catalog and [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► when you're a subscriber to linda.com [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► you can access to all of them every [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► course every chapter of every course and [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► put these courses together the experts [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► the people who know this stuff cold [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► industry expert these are not people who [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► read a book and are now turning it into [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► a video series these are also not people [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► who retreat down into a smelly basement [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► set up a camcorder turn on a really well [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► oh weird compact fluorescent light and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► then stare into the camera and described [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► you how to do things like those youtube [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► videos they're out there you know the [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► ones I'm talking about [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► they have a state-of-the-art videostudio [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► they have incredible web technology that [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► puts the stuff with transcripts and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► chapter markers so not only do you get [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► more than 2,000 courses but they are [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► incredibly well produced courses in the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► subject matter you name it there's apple [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► specific stuff iOS Mavericks presumably [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► there's a Yosemite course coming I don't [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► want to pre-announce anything from them [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► ios7 presumably iOS 8 their software [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► like Microsoft Office [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the adobe creative suite apples pro apps [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► i've learned a lot of logic stuff for [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► example by which I use to edit this [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► podcast by looking at lynda.com and when [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► I'm build our website i learned about [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► responsive design there are all sorts of [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► web design things javascript CSS and [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► other web design stuff they're all the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► way down to business stuff [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► hobbies and I didn't mention programming [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► i mention web development development [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► databases game design you name it [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► lynda.com has courses that can make you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► an expert because you're listening to [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► the experts and all for the low price [TS]

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00:22:25 ◼   ► library but I've got good news for you [TS]

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00:22:47 ◼   ► lynda.com that's lynda.com ly nba.com [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► slash and comfortable and thank you so [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► much to linda.com for supporting the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► incomparable what did you whisper what [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► made you rich quit it was later on where [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► they're getting onto this airship that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► is crewed by pirates and all kinds of [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► real tough guys and they're going to go [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► off and do some some crazy tough-guy [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► stuff and the main character who's at [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► that point we were hearing the story [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► from his perspective is talking about [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► why there are no women on the ship [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► because the fair sex really shouldn't be [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► out in this kind of just kind of stuff [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► except there's one woman already on the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► ship because she was already a member of [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► the Pirates but strangely the first time [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► he met her she tried to seduce him and [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► christy is like Lady origami whoa you [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► no this is good they're going to be no [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► other characters that I can relate to at [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► all I mean I enjoyed enjoyed reading the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► bit of the book that I did until I got [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► to that point because it was fun [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► actually the most powerful character in [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the book is a woman yes and I didn't [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► pick that up at the beginning but that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► yeah I was a little too late sort of [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► things yeah I got something something [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► that is the perspective of the character [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► versus the perspective of the book and [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► since it's set in this old reality [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► twenties the fact that this guy might [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► actually be a sexist pig is like well I [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► could kind of get that [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► I don't know absolutely yeah I have no [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► true i have no problem with characters [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► in books having different opinions for [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► me that's fine but the fact that this [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► was one of the main characters and there [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► was clearly going to be a pretty [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► significant part of the plotline [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► centering around this airship and what [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► was going on there to recognize that it [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► was just gonna be one big sausage party [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► is going well um yeah that's not really [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► what i mean when i signed up your so [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► yeah I will I will pass so I read the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► whole thing and I thought it was [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► confidently done and you know i haven't [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► read enough sci-fi novels this year to [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► say definitively that it wasn't one of [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the five best but I have a hard time [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► believing it was able to fight wasn't [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► one of the five guys it's fine i mean it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► wasn't awful was not as your ship but [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► why couldn't they are there Zeppelin's [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► yes there are gotta check for clear [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► career but I mean for people who would [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► say oh well you know i'm not going to [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► read these books that are nominated by [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► this late and all that we read it and [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► you know it was fine it was fine [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► whose phone again i will probably come [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► back to it if if i have time I'm [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► actually kind of intrigued by the first [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► two books i probably won't read them [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► having jumped in book 3 but I like i [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► said i kind of like some of the word [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► world building here especially that I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► think he did absolutely it's a [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► well-crafted a well-crafted world and I [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► kind of wanted to play a little bit more [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► in it which is why i was i think extra [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► rayji when I got to that point it's like [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► really i've been having fun here you [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► know and now Phil and if this were the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► first book i probably would have read [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► the second and third book since I've [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► read the third book I don't really feel [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that I need to read the first and second [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► because I know it's gonna get ya wanna [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► know what the revelations are the first [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► things look so yeah you read the first [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► book and then guess what happens in [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► between that's what we call that the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► Monte the full Monte actually know [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you're going to get a partial Monty [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► wouldn't ya fractionally because you [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► don't read the middle alright let's [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► let's move on so on author who has been [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► a participant in every single one of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► these is mirrored Grant who was [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► nominated again this for her new trilogy [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► which is the parapsychology trilogy [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► because we put an interview / last last [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► year and the mirror grant is back [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► this of course is the pen name for Shawn [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► Maguire who has written a lot of other [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► stuff too but she writes under mira [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► grant this series uh [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► books just as you did the newsflash [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► series which is about zombies and [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► bloggers and this was parasite now I [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► scott and i have been on the record as [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► not liking mrs. Graham's work in the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► past i'm not sure that came across yeah [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► I guess it'll be subtle about it i think [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► don't mince words bones what do you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► really think but Erica had did you i [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► know you i saw that you took it out from [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► the library i did so do you have [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► thoughts about parasite back to be [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► really really liked it [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► I I as a matter of fact I read the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► excess blood guess is over i'm i'm just [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► so merrily kicked off you can [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► comfortable it's nice talking to you [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► guys we had one rule no go ahead [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► I i hate to say someone's opinion is [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► wrong hugo nominees all stick together [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► oh that's right fixity i read the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► excerpt and I wanted so badly to keep on [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► reading that I immediately the next day [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► went out and checked out the book from [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► the library and i will say that i [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► genuinely loved about the first half of [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it and then things started changing and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► stuff started happening a little bit [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► fast and furious and I didn't that I [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► wasn't quite as on board for the second [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► half of it but I still enjoyed it a lot [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► and i would say that of all of the the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► books and the bits of the books and [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► novels and novellas and novelists that [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► I've read that and ancillary justice are [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the two that like when I wasn't reading [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► them i wish i was reading them and I [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► think actually even more than ancillary [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► justice parasite has popped into my head [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► afterwards I mean I'm sure you guys wish [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► you hadn't had dogs on the site i'm [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► wishing I hadn't read it simply so that [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► i could read it again ah so you're so [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► here's what I'd say is I see a [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► progression I've said this and when we [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► read the third newsflash book i see a [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► progression in these books where I feel [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► like she is a better writer every time [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► out i think i think the quality of the [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► writing was much better here I thought a [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► lot there are still things that bugged [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► me about her style i still feel like she [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► could really use a good editor because i [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► think that there's redundancy I think [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► there's too much kind of stuff that [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► happens that is on just totally [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► unnecessary what I said about one of the [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► newsflash books is like literally when [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► we [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► going from one end of the building to [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► another and nothing happens in between [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► but we're going to walk you through [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► every quarter that happens I feel like [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► there's still some of that and it's very [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► chatty which I don't I don't love i [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► think if you if you really fall into [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► liking that voice [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it works better and it kind of graded on [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► me at times but i think i think this is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► so much better than feed my big my [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► biggest problem with it is that I feel [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► like she wrote the entire book expecting [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that the ending would be a surprise and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it's obvious from the first sentence if [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► not from the book cover what the story [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► is going to be and I felt like either it [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► either she should do the won't commit to [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► one or the other but in it didn't work [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► for me because I felt like the entire [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► way through [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► um I I felt like she thought I was dumb [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► so dumb that I wasn't going to figure [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► out what was going on when it will see I [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► didn't like that at all [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► I got it I I really thought that she [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► didn't think that she was thinking she [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► was going to be surprising the reader i [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► just got that was the character who [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► surprised at the end and all the way [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► along that it was like we as their [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► readers were in on the joke and we're [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► just watching this poor soul which I [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► that is the biggest reason that I like [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► this book was this this main character [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► this out of all of the things that i [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► have read this year and not even just [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► for the Hugo's this is the character [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► that was to me the most well-realized [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► most like a real person she reacted to [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► things the way that I do and maybe then [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► people i know do she spoke the way my [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► friends talk this was this was a person [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► I could picture actually you know [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► meeting and knowing and you know maybe [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that's not the most fantastical thing in [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the world but it definitely makes for a [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► better reading experience for me I [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► really I connected with the character [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► and I think as I said on our television [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► wrap-up episode for me that's what the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the most important thing is to have a [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► character that i can convert for that I [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► can get behind i can connect to in some [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► way I think you need better friends [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► oh all this guy wow ok let it flow let [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► us let us live as a kid I did not enjoy [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► this book i read the whole thing I [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► i did also get a like Jason was saying [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► that I thought the ending was supposed [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► to be a surprise at which makes no sense [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► and i thought all the characters who [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► couldn't figure it out who are supposed [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► to be these experts on parasites and you [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► know epidemiology and all this all this [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► stuff and they couldn't figure out what [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► was going on here what are you talking [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► about they do it before the end of the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► book she will be only one cell was the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► only character who didn't know and she [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► should have known because it is a hot as [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► if you've ever been through a really [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► truly traumatic experience you would not [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► say that [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► well i have read their grant book so [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► does that time my I was waiting for the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► time i'm i'm i'm more on Scott side here [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► I have to admit I feel like everybody [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► seems to be too many steps behind here [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► and that it feels like it's trying to be [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► a little more clever than it actually is [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► when we get to the when we get to that [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► point i do again see this is all a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► matter of degree I I you know the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► blistering hate I I felt for feed i do [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► not feel for parasite she's a better [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► writer than she was [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► it's it you're I think you're right [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Erica that this character has a very [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► clear voice I don't I don't have the [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► voice like i said is that are really is [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► her writing style I i'm not a fan of it [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► I I think it's a great grates on me I [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► have to say I think that we're we're [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► that's where Scott is coming from but [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► said like left slightly less of a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► misanthrope than Scott obviously is that [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► is also true the also have a problem [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► with some of the hand waving that I've [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► seen the same stunts in the previous [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► books there's a lot of like my dad works [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► for the government doing government do [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► things and all that we're sort of like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► there's big organizations that are doing [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► shadowy things and they just happened to [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► be super important to the plot but it's [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► a coincidence that this all happened and [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► I you know I i rolled my eyes at some of [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that because it's very I feel like she's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► got the nut of an interesting idea here [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► I actually do think it's a really [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► interesting idea i actually like the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► world building here even more than I [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► liked it a news flash which I thought [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► the best thing about news flash was the [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► world she built I i think that there's a [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► lot of detail here that's interesting i [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► think the way that the story is is is [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► pulled out like I said I I think [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► I felt like she needed an editor and I I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I felt like we were way too far ahead of [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► the characters but it happened I've [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► never actually read anything else by her [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► this was my first my first experience [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► reading any of her books under any name [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► of any time so I didn't really have [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► anything to compare it to [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► and I and I guess the the hand waving in [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► the Big Show shadowy government [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► machinations and stuff that is 22 to use [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the phrase it's kind of in my butter [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► zone so no no I think so i really didn't [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► have a problem with that actually was it [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► was just kind of like candy to me I just [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► sort of left the whole thing up because [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► all of that stuff I i very much enjoy a [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► novel that i can just sit down and read [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► and I'm just excited about what what the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► people are going to do next not [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► something somebody what happens next [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► which is why that the second half of the [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► book sort of went downhill for me i [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► agree with a character meets meets his [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► mother and then all of a sudden eat [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► things just started happening a little [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► bit fast for me I I actually told my [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► wife halfway through I don't know I kind [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► of think this book is ok I don't know [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► what's going on here and then i read the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► second half was like yeah no that's [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► because everybody was 11 part of this [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► book that infuriated me that ruins the [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► whole book for me and perhaps it without [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► this scene i would not dislike it so [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► much but is when they are driving across [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► the golden gate bridge and they can make [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► a phone call because they're in a [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► Faraday cage which is not true your cell [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► phone works on a bridge it does and then [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► the there's some kind of tracking device [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► on that does work but their cellphones [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► don't that makes no sense and just truly [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► the other way around they were blocking [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► the tracking device and then suddenly [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the cell phone rings and they gotta call [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► it was like why is that they were using [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► bluetooth so it was like what this is [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► none of this makes sense and you'll give [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► me peace [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► these basic things how can I trust [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► anything that you're trying to spin in [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► these books and just drove me crazy [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► well I will say this for her she she has [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► young female protagonist and all of her [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► novels and the voice is very strong in [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► all of those characters and I can see [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► why she has fans presumably a lot of [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► fans in that demographic because that's [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► she's good at that [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► that'sthat's she totally that is what [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► these books are all about and and it's [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► too bad her other books are about [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► zombies could you not care about that [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► and bloggers zombies and bloggers and [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► how they make great tastes that taste [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► great together [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► zombie ish sort know they're much nicer [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► than zombies these tapeworms that are in [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► this book [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► Jason you'd you touched on another thing [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► that I really liked about it was just [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► sort of the idea behind this book I mean [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► even without spoiling anything at the [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► beginning this character has amnesia and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► doesn't remember anything and I loved [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► thinking about what life would be like [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► with absolutely no past having to [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► relearn everything from scratch and it [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► just that idea has haunted me ever since [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► I read this book actually that was my [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► favorite thing about about the book was [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► that the main character is trying really [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► hard to live down this other person who [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► she was not who is this who was in her [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► in her body but you know she's got to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► live down all the stupid things that [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► that that that the previous tenant of [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► this body did I I thought that was [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► pretty cool [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► yeah like I said it haunts me i didn't i [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► didn't really buy the whole oh she's six [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► years old and she doesn't know anything [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► yeah she's learned in six years but then [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► she knows all these phrases that she [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► some phrases she is perplexing to her [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► but other phrases like colloquial [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► phrases she knows and she and i found i [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► find mirror grant has these she likes to [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► write about these weird uncomfortable [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► sexual relationships and that i styled [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► like this the this woman who is [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► basically we're told has the the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► mentality of a six-year-old although she [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► is a legal of legal age has a very [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► intense relationship with her boyfriend [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► which I found uncomfortable and her [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► parents find it uncomfortable to so I [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► thought that was good but I was just [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► like this kind of gross [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah I didn't find it gross because [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► she didn't have the mentality of 60 know [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that the the personal history of a [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► six-year-old the the again again one of [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the the problems I have with it is sort [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► of like they're people who are it's like [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► those movies that low budget movies [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► where they say he's in the military and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► they don't specify what service and [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► maybe there's like a green jumpsuit and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► it's like sure that's a uniform [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► it's a little bit like that where where [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► it's sort of like he isn't from the [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► military and he works for the government [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► and there's this big corporation and [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► then her boyfriend is [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► he's a he's a parapsychologist it's like [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► wow the 5 25 characters that you need to [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► have to tell this story are five [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► characters close to her [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► interesting right it's just it's it's [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► trains a little bit but you know you [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► ignore those things if it's working for [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► you and you don't and you pay very close [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► attention to them if it's not the spell [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► is broken and that is that's just how it [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► goes [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's true but I could understand how [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► someone would like this book yeah yeah I [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► in a way in a way I you know did you [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► agree with me Scott that there's some [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► progress here over the course of the the [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► Ark of my her grant i hope that i can [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► stop following me regret progress but [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► I'm i will say that she is getting [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► absolutely absolutely no doubt alright [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► well you know [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► ah ancillary justice is going to get my [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► vote here so and Scott's so it made and [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► mine [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► alright a parasite will be number two [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► however i'll put that although i'm gonna [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► have no award and parasite yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► yeah I i think i may actually go [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► insularity justice and then Neptune's [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► brood and then were bound and then [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► probably no award followed by parasite [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► in the wheel of time just go but no no [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► if you're voting no award don't put [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► anything underneath it or your votes [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► could actually go about things you put [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► under no award well be careful in the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► way you vote for the hugo okay fair [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► enough [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► night I just like to put things below [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know a word because i feel like it looks [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► like an extra burn but yeah definitely [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► not expecting that you might actually [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► end up voting for them because that's [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► how the mathworks yeah it's tricky [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► who's speaking of how the mathworks I [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► just want to make a little plea to [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► everybody who can vote to vote for all [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► of the quote-unquote like little or [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► second half category so you know yeah an [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► artist and writer all of those things [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► this is going to be the biggest worldcon [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► in history and if a category in Hugo's [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► does not get at least twenty-five [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► percent of the voting numbers like not [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► twenty-five percent of the people who [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► vote for anything have to vote for each [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► category in order for it to be carried [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► over so you know look for the best fan [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► artist or say best fancast do not even [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► have an award put forward because not [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► enough people voted in the category if I [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► want to take a break to tell you about [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► something that you should try audiobooks [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► listen to a podcast right now podcasts [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► are great ways to hear people like us [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► talking about things that you're [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► interested in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► but you know you got to leave a little [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► time for fiction in your life and that's [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► where audio books can be great there is [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► also great nonfiction that comes in book [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► form things that people have taken a lot [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► of time trust me [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► take it from me writing is hard you want [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► to write really well and then you know [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► people want to listen to your stuff [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► instead of read it what do you do put in [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► an audiobook there's lots of great audio [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► books out there lots of great sci-fi [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► this episode is about the hugo nominees [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► so i went back and i was looking at some [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► favorites that you can check out embassy [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► town by China Mieville we talked about [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► on the previous show it was a hugo [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► nominee medieval city in the city which [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► we talk about our I think our very first [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► episode there's a great audiobook of [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► that the george RR martin game of [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► thrones stuff Dance with Dragons was a [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► hugo nominee a few years ago [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► those are all available to audiobooks [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you should give them a try and there's a [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► great place that I want to tell you [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► about where you can get started and it [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► is www.triadruvo.com that's that simple [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► www tryout books.com / incomparable do [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that and I'll know that we send you [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► there and you can find different stuff [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► that you like that site has got a lot of [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► different suggestions in a bunch of [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► different genres if there's something [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► you want to listen to while you're [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► cooking or in the garden they put it out [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► there sort of by like what mood you're [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► in it's a really clever idea try [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► audiobooks so you should try audiobooks [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► visit www.triadruvo.com / incomparable [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► today check out the China Mieville [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► checkout george RR martin checkout [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► douglas adams is just so many things to [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► try and if you haven't listened to an [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► audiobook before you should really give [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► it a go [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► it's a totally different way to read a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► book and i encourage you to check it out [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► so thank you so much to try audiobooks [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► dot-com for sponsoring the incomparable [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► ah let us move on and what should we do [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► should we let's touch on the let's let's [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► shift gears for a moment in touch about [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► that on the retro Hugo novels while we [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► can just get ready David and Monty into [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► the conversation briefly the you're [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► dismissed before you will be sent to the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► cornfield again the the retro Hugo's [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► from 1939 [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► personal venus by edgar rice burroughs [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► galactic patrol by e smith the Legion of [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► time by jack williamson out of the [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► silent planet by CS lewis and the sword [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► in the stone by th white I've read three [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► of those but but two of them when i was [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► a teenager and only galactic patrol and [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► i read recently Monty what do you what [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► do you think about the retro Hugo novels [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► well first I think that sword in the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► stone should not have been nominated as [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► it is part of a larger book it doesn't [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► get published separately anymore its [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► kind of the opposite of the wheel of [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► time situation [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► alright huh because it's part of once [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and future king right i also think it's [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► probably going to win because world [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► congress in London and it's hard to get [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► more london e10 nature Kate right plus [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► that's one that people have heard of [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► yes they're not trying very hard they [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► may just throw it on there yeah there [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► was a Disney movie made of this book [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► instead of a witch reading the book it [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► made sense to me because i did not much [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► like it it's really goofy but a lot of [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the humor comes from anachronism but the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► anachronism no longer work on me because [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► there's things like referring to two [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► nights as though they are British public [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► schoolboys in the nineteen thirties [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► which when you read it as a British [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► person in nineteen thirties you get a [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► fun contradiction thereof oh they're old [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► tiny people but they're behaving like [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► modern times but to me reading it in [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► 2014 it's old-timey people behaving [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► slightly less old timely there's a lot [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► of the humor in that book i thought what [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► what else well struck your fancy here [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► well I really like galactic patrol I [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► thought it was super fun space opera and [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► I can really see where green lantern [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► came from [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's you know the lensman [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► books I've never read I've read about [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► them and I read galactic patrol and it [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► was very clear to me reading at how this [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► sort of stuff [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► first off I saw the line from this to [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► something like foundation [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► oh yeah we're we're which was written [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► what 10 years later he's [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► of 10-12 years later not that long [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► really in the grand scheme of things [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► where there are no characters and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► there's just sort of playing out of plot [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► there's no characters and it's all about [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► like ideas about crazy things that will [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► happen and it in details of how engines [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► that are totally made-up work and stuff [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► like that that's very much like you know [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► it's about engineering and about actions [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► and big dreams and not about sort of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► like human beings at all but I you know [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► I i also felt like I could I could see [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► how this influence if it didn't [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► influence gene roddenberry directly it [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► influenced the people who influenced [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► Gene Roddenberry and the other people [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► who made Star Trek because it has that [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► feel in terms of a lot of the [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► terminology is about screens and beams [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► and things like that that are exactly [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the words that are used in in the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► original Star Trek my copy of galactic [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► patrol says this on the cover de doc [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► smith galactic patrol the famous legend [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► series and then at the bottom of the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► coverage says spaceships and space [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► pirates represent a cure infant of what [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► you're getting [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► well yeah you read that you go boy [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► spaceships and space pirates this book [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► delivers yep it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► attend yeah you could say that they're [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► not really pirates but you know are the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► accounts there there is very little [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► discussion of the galaxy wide economy [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► yes i did think it was really [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► interesting that this one book [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► practically in the first two pages named [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► two giant science fiction conventions [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► because you have the planet of mosque [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► own which is a giant science fiction [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► convention in boston and you also have [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the planet of arise iya which is another [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► giant science fiction college now I [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► Erica we're talking about use of female [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► characters and Larry Correia book I I [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► have good news for you huh [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► there-there there-there is well there's [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► one female character in galactic patrol [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► she's nurse and arrange the love [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► interest [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► oh my heart hurts she's she's actually [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► quite good at her job but ok but her but [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► large portions of job are being held [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► hostage [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► yeah well she's not just letters she [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► also gets mad at the hero in a scene I [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► kind of liked where were just told [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► straight up this guy's to heroic to be a [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► good patient so he's going to be a huge [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► jerk to you [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► yeah just what she says yeah we get that [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► a lot military nurse and then that's [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► exactly how it plays out [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► yes but the hell yeah yeah yeah and and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► the the moment that really struck me as [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► early on there's the link the graduation [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► ceremony for the people at the lensman [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► Academy where it's the top thousand [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► people from around the world [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► well let me rephrase that the top [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► thousand men from around the world [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► because it's all men and then at the end [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► literally they graduate and are taken to [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► a secret room where they're going to be [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► given and I kid you not [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► the the smoking implement of their [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► choice and then told all the secrets of [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► the galaxy and I'm like wow we well I i [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► think there's probably some mahogany in [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► that room and perhaps some senator had [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► or yeah it's important it is and I think [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► maybe some wildlife heads mounted on [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► nothing's on the was just gonna say yeah [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► many leather-bound tones so it feels it [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► it feels really 75 years old and I but [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► the king bed there's just no characters [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► it is literally like and then this [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► happened and then this happened and then [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► this happened and I you know it was I [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► read the whole thing which i didn't [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► think i would do and it was pretty short [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah well I don't know Margie it felt [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► like it went on forever but I I can [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► totally see how this was influential in [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► a and you know in in what came after [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► even though it seemed you know yeah [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► there are spaceships and space pirates [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► that's totally true and there's a guy [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► who is really a genius and can figure [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► out anything like literally the main [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► character can figure out anything and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► does figure out everything in the entire [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► book [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► yep [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► then there's another very British entry [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► CS Lewis's out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► yep which is described here as first in [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► the celebrated space trilogy and I think [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► it says something about how old this [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► book is that you could just make the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► trilogy the space trilogy yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► and how celebrated was it that I haven't [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► heard of it so so this might my [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► experience with out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► is that i read the entire Narnia series [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► and I'm out wait a second you mean I [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► love science fiction even more than [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► fantasy you mean CS lewis wrote [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► science-fiction novels let me Adam and I [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► rid of some plan my win [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah that is not without its [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► pleasant and I mean I i read all three [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► because my mother loved them and and you [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► know being CS lewis they're drenched in [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► theology [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► oh yeah and so out of the silent planet [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► has a plot where the second book does [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► not and then the third book is like this [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► weird dystopian Orwellian fantasy set in [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► England which is really good i love the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► third book i didn't really feel like I [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► had to have read the first two books to [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► get to that and the main character in [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► the first two books is sort of a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► background character in the third one so [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► it's like just just go to that hideous [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► strength and don't worry about the first [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► two yeah the book involves somebody [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► being laborious Lee kidnapped to another [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► planet where he immediately the tapes [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► his evil captors [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► yep and then wanders around meeting [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► fairly interesting alien creatures like [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► yes I didn't like the book much but I [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► did like the effort that was put in to [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► make the alien societies really feel [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► different from Earth societies in both [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► both in this and perelandra they are two [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► of the only books are read where the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► aliens feel truly alien [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► if that makes sense but there's no plot [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► and then later they're basically space [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► angels [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► yes ok so like a like a wrinkle in time [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► no but that had a lot yes thats good set [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► of your hot and people you really liked [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► my basement and more time with space [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► Angels had those space angels alright i [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► meant there are no earth women in out of [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► the silent planet but some of the aliens [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► are short of kind of female well okay [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► there you go nice so my name is the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► bechdel Monty what's your what's your uh [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► judgment your phone for galactic patrol [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I'm definitely voting for galactic [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► patrol it was the only one that I really [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► enjoyed reading 75 years is a long time [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► a lot of stuff just falls apart after 75 [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► years it is like say Carson of Venus by [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► mr. edgar rice burroughs now the story [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► of Carson of Venus is that he's a guy [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► who set out to Mars but took a wrong [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► turn and ended up on Venus instead we [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► took a wrong turn as it's in the other [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► director left a single Albuquerque is [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► weaker curve curve all the way back [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► around though I assumed that this was [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► going to be just like the Mars books but [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► cleverly transported to a different [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► planet but really it's a lot more like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► the Tarzan books where Carson is the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► white man dealing with all these the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► newseum savages losted I did that like [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► in person sounds like Tarzan I mean yeah [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► not know what are off [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► yeah that that's like his his a his [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► agent or his publisher was like it [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► Eddie Eddie they love the Mars books the [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► books about mothers are great how about [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► Venus have you considered Venus why [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► don't make it like cars i did you take [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► the eight guy and put him on another [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► planet there you go [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► I know you don't want to move tardiness [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► you think that's unrealistic i would say [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► it's already listen whatever whatever [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► you say so how about how about we change [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► his name to Mars and no well but that [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► would be Mars yeah Bob cause cars and [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► Carson something like that do you [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you working out here the writer alright [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► mr. Johnson [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► don't do that no I should point out that [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the 13th Tarzan book is called Tarzan at [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the Earth's core [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► yes goodnight [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► he's still on earth that time else times [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► anyway Jason yeah times those were times [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► that happened in the past 75 years ago [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► and the fifth book that's nominated that [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► i read and immediately fell out of my [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► brain with Jack Williamson's the Legion [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► of applies a great title [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► oh it sounds so great like the cover [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► says mankind was horribly doomed unless [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► an army of dead men could change the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► past [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► wow you want to read that you open and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► there's a blurb here that's all a [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► dazzling white beam of Raving energy [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► played on the chrony on burning and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► killing where it struck and the battle [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► for the destiny of the world seemed over [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► before it had well begun but this book [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► blurbs great [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► yeah but it's pretty boring in my [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► opinion it's a yeah there are two [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► possible futures there's a good future [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► in the bad future and the future says a [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► woman back to convince our hero to go [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► with them and our hero eventually dies [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► and he swooped up to meet his dead [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► friends in a giant airship I said that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► suggests that was really excited until [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► you got to the the dead guy being sweet [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► in an airship everything shot here [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► hey its way to say this podcast is over [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► and I just ripping us off man yeah it's [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► 1938 airships just existed they weren't [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► cool and nostalgic or futuristic people [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► here now but but did people think that [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► when you die you you go to his aplin can [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► see right that's literally ology there's [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► a brief moment in time when that was [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► what everyone haha the future a good [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► future has a time machine and they're [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► doing and they're making a legion of all [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► the best people as soon as they die and [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► then the laugh of the book is a giant [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► fight and eventually the good people win [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► and the bad woman is subsumed into the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► good woman [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► oh well as they were the same woman but [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► different futures twist this actually [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► feels kind of good except the step one [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► part so that so it's like it's like it's [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► sort of like River world in the sense [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that they're kind of like taking a great [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► people from time [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► yeah after they die though that seems [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► questionable bring him back to life then [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► yeah what they do [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► yes well they can take it you can take [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► them before they died because that will [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► mess up the timeline now yeah oh yeah i [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► mean just let's kill hitler yeah you're [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► right you got you gotta wait we gotta [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► wait until that that last moment then [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► you kill them on a dyno and you bring it [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► back to life [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► it's an interesting idea and yeah it's [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► sort of like I wanted to take that plot [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► and put it into a lensman book I wanted [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► to just sort of combine them and go yeah [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► and this is what you could do with green [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► lantern star track but yeah it just [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► doesn't [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► I yea alright Robert Island kinda took [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► that concept for his last couple of [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah into sail beyond the sunset [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you basically got all the characters [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► ever written about whether they died on [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► screen or now they're all living happily [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► in the future man that book drove me [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► nuts anyway that's a whole other story [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► alright is some any any final words [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► about the the past before we take our [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► own time machine and move back to the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► present the only novella nominee that [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► I've heard of is Iran's and thumb and is [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► the only one that's still in print so i [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► think it will probably win regardless of [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► whether it deserves to our but isn't who [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► goes there what inspired the thing from [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► another world it is but it's foolishly [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► under the wrong name it was called [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► and also it's a lid that the name on the [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► story is done a Stuart although [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► everybody knows it's john campbell the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► only other category that i have any [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► awareness of really i mean obviously [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► recognize all the authors but dramatic [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► presentation short form they're all [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► radio shows [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► oh yeah four out of five of them are [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► Orson Welles shows [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► you have around the world in 80 days [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► which isn't really science fiction a [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► christmas carol which fantasy Dracula [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► and and then of course the War of the [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► Worlds it almost has to win a pretty [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► much and the only one that he had [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► nothing to do with was a BBC production [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► of are you are by karel capek which is [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► the play that originated the term robot [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► yeah so but yeah I if it's me i'm voting [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► for were the world's because that's the [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► only one that really it doesn't just [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► tell a really good story it it bends the [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► form and messes around with it and you [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► know it does something interesting with [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► the fact that it's a radio play so I [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► guess I do have a couple comments on the [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► bottom couple awards best van writer [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► almost anyone would be a good winner [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► except the guy who I think is guaranteed [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► to win [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► Forrest J Ackerman was very very [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► prolific and was a neat guy he would be [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► a fine winner Bob Tucker was very [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► prolific and a very influential fanzine [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► harry warner junior wrote one of my [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► favorite early fandom histories Donald a [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► Walheim not only started dog books but [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► also ran the future Ian's unfortunately [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► the fifth nominee for best fan writers [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► Ray Bradbury who did do some fan writing [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► but he was not as important a fan as [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► some of the other hand if buddy's right [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► Bradbury and in and best fanzine they're [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► all good nominees i'm hoping people will [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► vote for imagination just because [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► morocho was a very important early [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► female fan and I'd like to see her get [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► some more recognition [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► alright we're moving back to the present [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► nah there's an airship time machine you [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► will be [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► yeah you'll be bodily elevated into the [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► airship so we've got some other shorter [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► fiction here to talk about and I think [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► we should just go category by category a [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► lot of stuff is online [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► I'll try to put links in the show notes [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► if it is online uh let's start with the [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► novellas we'll just go go down in terms [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► of size from there I only read two of [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► the novellas i have the other three [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► still to go and this is I just ran out [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► of time i read the chaplains legacy by [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► Brad torgersen and a coid by charles [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► stross who else has novellas that they [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► that they read I read them all [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► you read them all well i did and Scott [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► did you read none or I read none [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► alright so it's me and Erica erica what [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► it's okay what did you like what were [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► the novellas you read that you liked [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► I quite like the chaplains legacy i [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► really liked it [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► yeah that was that was my favorite I [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► think of all of them and I feel like [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► bread torgersen again has been kind of [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► he was on that slate apparently he's [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► he's apparently very moderate political [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► and I read some of his blog the other [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► night after i read his stuff because I [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► was like oh boy I really enjoyed this [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► stuff is he a terrible person or what [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► it's like nobody actually seems he [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► actually seems to be a very reasonable [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► person and I feel bad for him actually [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► because his stuff is really good and I [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► worry people are gonna not vote for him [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► because he's considered part of the [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► because he's considered part of the [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► this group and I thought the chaplains [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► legacy was really a cool idea of it's [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► sort of a it's not quite a first contact [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► but it's a a sort of two humans and [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► alien most most important content most [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► important contacted a sort of [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► existential question about whether these [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► these uh the humans are going to stay [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► alive or not and the main character is [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► this fascinating guy who has a sort of [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► save the human race accidentally and now [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► has the opportunity to save them again [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► and he's a fascinating character who who [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► is not who you expect going in and I [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► thought that was I thought that was [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► really i thought it was really great [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► I i loved it i thought it was great and [TS]