The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► so John mother's day there's no better

00:00:02 ◼   ► way to spend Mother's Day than watching

00:00:04 ◼   ► baseball games on TV I was we really

00:00:08 ◼   ► were really going to start off with

00:00:09 ◼   ► baseball

00:00:09 ◼   ► well I i just have to because it was a

00:00:14 ◼   ► day game Yankees are playing and famed

00:00:17 ◼   ► Yankees superstar Andy Pettit after a

00:00:19 ◼   ► year in retirement is back on the mound

00:00:22 ◼   ► for the first time since since 2010 and

00:00:26 ◼   ► pitching in Yankee Stadium and that TV

00:00:28 ◼   ► announcers i'm watching of course the

00:00:29 ◼   ► Yankees telecast and they their their

00:00:32 ◼   ► poll of the day I don't know if every

00:00:34 ◼   ► other team does this but they always

00:00:35 ◼   ► have i got a text message pole of the

00:00:38 ◼   ► day we're there you know they ready like

00:00:40 ◼   ► four choices in your text message

00:00:42 ◼   ► different numbers to cast your vote was

00:00:45 ◼   ► Andy Pettitte signature moment of his

00:00:47 ◼   ► career and the winner was the 1996 world

00:00:51 ◼   ► series game against the Atlanta Braves

00:00:53 ◼   ► where he did the yankees won that game

00:00:56 ◼   ► one nothing any outdoor world

00:00:58 ◼   ► Braves Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz

00:01:01 ◼   ► so now you see where I'm going with this

00:01:05 ◼   ► I now I series and I'm explaining it to

00:01:08 ◼   ► Jonas and Jonas was like well tell me

00:01:10 ◼   ► all about it what what whoo

00:01:11 ◼   ► and I say he said who's John Smoltz and

00:01:13 ◼   ► all of a sudden Amy walks in and she's

00:01:15 ◼   ► like you've got to be kidding me that's

00:01:17 ◼   ► made up right and I'm like no he was

00:01:19 ◼   ► that he was an all-star he was a great

00:01:21 ◼   ► picture she's like John Smoltz really

00:01:24 ◼   ► i'm sure and then she just wandered off

00:01:27 ◼   ► and she thought that you would like God

00:01:28 ◼   ► got a hold of like the Yankees

00:01:30 ◼   ► announcers and yeah I don't know what is

00:01:33 ◼   ► she doing here generation hear the TV

00:01:34 ◼   ► guys talking about she heard me

00:01:36 ◼   ► explaining it to Jonas and thought that

00:01:37 ◼   ► I was just you know making up names of

00:01:42 ◼   ► baseball players basically into the 45

00:01:46 ◼   ► actual friends I have in life

00:01:48 ◼   ► that'd be neat i don't know why it never

00:01:51 ◼   ► really occurred to me until that very

00:01:53 ◼   ► moment when she came in and said that

00:01:55 ◼   ► never really occurred to me just how

00:01:56 ◼   ► similar your names are yeah i mean i

00:02:00 ◼   ► think they're completely unrelated as

00:02:04 ◼   ► far as i know

00:02:05 ◼   ► remember the guy used to play it

00:02:06 ◼   ► certainly made my skill of baseball

00:02:08 ◼   ► would indicate that you remember the guy

00:02:09 ◼   ► who used to play for the Kansas City

00:02:11 ◼   ► Chiefs John scrubber is a kicker now

00:02:16 ◼   ► you're making it was a kid he was a

00:02:17 ◼   ► kicker it became a placekicker now you

00:02:23 ◼   ► are though you're not John Smoltz you

00:02:24 ◼   ► are John molt's i am the last time I

00:02:27 ◼   ► checked which was earlier today so I'm

00:02:31 ◼   ► John grouper is we have to say that i

00:02:33 ◼   ► usually don't get the actually going to

00:02:35 ◼   ► cause confusion i did the whole thing is

00:02:37 ◼   ► very confusing i just told you you want

00:02:38 ◼   ► me to I just don't we just spent 30

00:02:40 ◼   ► minutes I spent 30 minutes trying to

00:02:41 ◼   ► figure out how to make a skype call

00:02:43 ◼   ► because I I'm always wondering if that

00:02:46 ◼   ► was the problem really was i I mean I've

00:02:49 ◼   ► had a lot of problems with skype I've

00:02:50 ◼   ► always had a lot of problems with skype

00:02:52 ◼   ► I everybody has problems good

00:02:54 ◼   ► I when I try to use skype i am at the

00:02:58 ◼   ► your grandfather with the with a new pc

00:03:01 ◼   ► and I'm you know I don't know how I'm

00:03:04 ◼   ► I'm talking into the mouse I it is to me

00:03:11 ◼   ► the most baffling application I've ever

00:03:13 ◼   ► seen in my life died

00:03:15 ◼   ► nothing you can do with it ever it seems

00:03:17 ◼   ► to be what you want it seems to me like

00:03:18 ◼   ► once you have somebody's contact and if

00:03:20 ◼   ► you double-click them it should be like

00:03:22 ◼   ► either start a call or like hey you want

00:03:24 ◼   ► to call this person

00:03:25 ◼   ► nope not what happened

00:03:28 ◼   ► I'm so afraid escape that I have not

00:03:30 ◼   ► updated it and let's let's see

00:03:33 ◼   ► so must have been since 2008 it looks

00:03:36 ◼   ► like i'm running version 27 and I think

00:03:40 ◼   ► it's well well beyond that but it's like

00:03:42 ◼   ► it works and i know that other people

00:03:44 ◼   ► have had trouble after they've updated

00:03:46 ◼   ► it so I'm just like I'm not on until an

00:03:48 ◼   ► adult stops working on i would recommend

00:03:50 ◼   ► that you know my problem is I was doing

00:03:52 ◼   ► that on another computer where I'd

00:03:54 ◼   ► upgraded to whatever the new version is

00:03:56 ◼   ► in it and it really they just made it

00:03:58 ◼   ► worse

00:03:58 ◼   ► did way worse but then I had got a new

00:04:04 ◼   ► computer of a new air over here and I

00:04:06 ◼   ► mean I guess I could dig up the old copy

00:04:08 ◼   ► of skype somewhere but i think it says

00:04:09 ◼   ► something that they still make the old

00:04:11 ◼   ► give you google hard enough you can

00:04:12 ◼   ► still find the download for it

00:04:14 ◼   ► I know usually that's a pretty as a

00:04:15 ◼   ► pretty bad sign

00:04:17 ◼   ► I think right right if this you

00:04:19 ◼   ► shouldn't need to be leaving that out

00:04:22 ◼   ► there for people who write like it's one

00:04:24 ◼   ► thing if you have an old version because

00:04:26 ◼   ► your new version only works on operating

00:04:29 ◼   ► system from last year and newer and hey

00:04:32 ◼   ► if you're on an old operating system

00:04:34 ◼   ► here is an old version and there's a

00:04:35 ◼   ► technical limitation that that that

00:04:38 ◼   ► would help people out by request you

00:04:40 ◼   ► know keeping an old version available

00:04:42 ◼   ► but when it when it really is people are

00:04:43 ◼   ► so confused by the new version it right

00:04:46 ◼   ► at the camera it calls they can actually

00:04:50 ◼   ► use it to do what it's supposed to be

00:04:51 ◼   ► going like at some point you just know

00:04:53 ◼   ► though and you just know that there's a

00:04:56 ◼   ► meeting where there's somebody who like

00:04:57 ◼   ► raise their hand and and and they were

00:04:59 ◼   ► like hey maybe instead of keeping the

00:05:02 ◼   ► old version available what if we what if

00:05:04 ◼   ► we can fix the new version so it wasn't

00:05:05 ◼   ► confusing and that you know they got

00:05:07 ◼   ► shot down and then right and they just

00:05:09 ◼   ► went back and had like a dead a desk

00:05:12 ◼   ► drink

00:05:13 ◼   ► you've got a new website 23 is it still

00:05:19 ◼   ► is it doing yeah well I long do we

00:05:22 ◼   ► yeah I guess so I mean yeah I mean I

00:05:25 ◼   ► guess in internet terms it's not that

00:05:26 ◼   ► new anymore but it's new to me it's

00:05:29 ◼   ► couple months old it's it's a very nice

00:05:31 ◼   ► resident how much it literally literally

00:05:35 ◼   ► and figuratively

00:05:36 ◼   ► it's very nice website done now John

00:05:40 ◼   ► Smoltz is very nice website

00:05:42 ◼   ► yeah I was going to mention is looking

00:05:44 ◼   ► for something that I link to the other

00:05:46 ◼   ► day because it was relevant to what we

00:05:48 ◼   ► were just talking about is that you can

00:05:52 ◼   ► still run windows 8 on max that you

00:05:58 ◼   ► cannot run lying on wow which i found an

00:06:04 ◼   ► interesting i installed windows 8 I got

00:06:06 ◼   ► the preview copy of windows 8 just for

00:06:08 ◼   ► fun

00:06:09 ◼   ► and put it on an old I had the first

00:06:11 ◼   ► intel mac mini is of course solo and it

00:06:16 ◼   ► won't take lion but it took Windows 8 is

00:06:19 ◼   ► kind of weird

00:06:20 ◼   ► yeah i've got i mean i think that some

00:06:22 ◼   ► of that just has to do with their

00:06:24 ◼   ► different markets i mean i think but

00:06:27 ◼   ► also it's just they're different

00:06:28 ◼   ► attitudes towards you know backwards

00:06:30 ◼   ► compatibility right and it's you know

00:06:34 ◼   ► it's the fact that Apple is

00:06:35 ◼   ► fundamentally a computer maker not an

00:06:38 ◼   ► operating company make right-right-right

00:06:41 ◼   ► microsoft is interested in selling you

00:06:43 ◼   ► the operating system if you've got all

00:06:44 ◼   ► the hardware yeah we'd love to sell you

00:06:45 ◼   ► the operating system but for example

00:06:48 ◼   ► yeah I know we'd really rather you go on

00:06:50 ◼   ► my new Mac I've gotta upcoming headache

00:06:53 ◼   ► on my hands where I've got family

00:06:55 ◼   ► members who've got lion max max running

00:07:02 ◼   ► lion takes a lion or is it snow leopard

00:07:06 ◼   ► not snow leopard gotta go back further

00:07:08 ◼   ► right snow leopard I see this is the

00:07:10 ◼   ► thing and add good old wool French used

00:07:13 ◼   ► to complain about it endlessly that you

00:07:15 ◼   ► keep it only remember like the two most

00:07:18 ◼   ► recent cat names and how they correspond

00:07:21 ◼   ► in otherwise it's like right i remember

00:07:22 ◼   ► that there was one called tiger i I'd I

00:07:25 ◼   ► don't remember what the hell it was

00:07:26 ◼   ► whereas if you just stick that 10 4 10 5

00:07:28 ◼   ► 10 6 you know which one was newer and

00:07:31 ◼   ► older anyway I think they're all on 10 5

00:07:33 ◼   ► which is snow leopard yeah and so they

00:07:36 ◼   ► can't do I cloud and they've got mac.com

00:07:41 ◼   ► or me.com mobileme and and the the

00:07:45 ◼   ► mobileme apocalypse is drawing nigh 10-5

00:07:48 ◼   ► is leopard alright when a 60 snow

00:07:51 ◼   ► leopard 10-7 is like you would you would

00:07:53 ◼   ► think i would have this really is a very

00:07:55 ◼   ► unprofessional

00:07:56 ◼   ► now I it gets me all the times you and I

00:07:58 ◼   ► recently and I noticed that was tight

00:08:00 ◼   ► because i have a I mean it as you might

00:08:02 ◼   ► suspect i have a a mess of Max in my

00:08:05 ◼   ► office of varying ages and I mean the

00:08:09 ◼   ► way that I remember that is i

00:08:10 ◼   ► fortunately I have all the boxes from

00:08:13 ◼   ► the different operating system releases

00:08:15 ◼   ► in a row on my shelf but right now

00:08:18 ◼   ► they're all they're all like strewn

00:08:20 ◼   ► across the room because I've been

00:08:21 ◼   ► updating it

00:08:22 ◼   ► I got a new you know Tom Carmen of

00:08:24 ◼   ► course I he he's moving to San Francisco

00:08:28 ◼   ► he had a yard sale and I picked up a

00:08:30 ◼   ► lime imac from him and so i had to find

00:08:36 ◼   ► something that would run and run on that

00:08:39 ◼   ► you and iron it's a sick it is it's a

00:08:42 ◼   ► sick as I people say stuff to me people

00:08:44 ◼   ► say people write to me like hey I was

00:08:46 ◼   ► digging through my garage and I found it

00:08:48 ◼   ► an old Apple extended keyboard it's a

00:08:52 ◼   ► great condition and the ID my mind I

00:08:55 ◼   ► think send it to me I had a guy couple

00:08:57 ◼   ► weeks ago who told me that he but had a

00:08:58 ◼   ► an sp30 in the box and the end that he

00:09:02 ◼   ► goes I don't know what I was thinking

00:09:03 ◼   ► he seems like he was like you know it's

00:09:05 ◼   ► a couple years older than us but he

00:09:06 ◼   ► bought it in like nineteen eighty-nine

00:09:08 ◼   ► or 90 brand new and never opened it

00:09:11 ◼   ► thinking that that when he retired he

00:09:15 ◼   ► would he would use it as his you know he

00:09:18 ◼   ► would keep it and then when he retired

00:09:19 ◼   ► get into it that's why we got a B says

00:09:24 ◼   ► don't laugh it made sense at the time I

00:09:26 ◼   ► didn't wasn't really thinking about the

00:09:27 ◼   ► fact that computers really you know

00:09:29 ◼   ► change every few years the ice you know

00:09:32 ◼   ► I mean like it like in a sense like

00:09:34 ◼   ► think about the way lady what I think

00:09:36 ◼   ► and I don't want to put words in the

00:09:37 ◼   ► fellows mouth but i think that he was

00:09:38 ◼   ► thinking about it in a way that maybe 50

00:09:41 ◼   ► years prior and I might have thought you

00:09:44 ◼   ► know what when I retire I want to try to

00:09:45 ◼   ► room taking take a shot at writing a

00:09:48 ◼   ► novel and and buying the typewriter 20

00:09:51 ◼   ► years first just like a little reminder

00:09:53 ◼   ► that hey you know I'm a retired 15 years

00:09:56 ◼   ► and i'm going to what I'm gonna do and I

00:09:57 ◼   ► retires write a novel and there's the

00:09:59 ◼   ► murders my typewriter i'm going to keep

00:10:00 ◼   ► in the box and every couple days I'm

00:10:02 ◼   ► gonna look at it and think about what

00:10:03 ◼   ► I'm going to do I think that's how we

00:10:05 ◼   ► went in to help with the computer but

00:10:06 ◼   ► then racing you know it he's got it yeah

00:10:10 ◼   ► twenty-five-year-old SE thirties never

00:10:12 ◼   ► opened up

00:10:13 ◼   ► yeah but in the bottom right I'm not a

00:10:17 ◼   ► hundred percent sure whether he's like

00:10:18 ◼   ► never even like crack the cylinder or

00:10:20 ◼   ► and still and then he was saying that

00:10:22 ◼   ► you can any thought you know I gotta get

00:10:24 ◼   ► rid of this day and used he thought he

00:10:25 ◼   ► could sell it for what he bought it for

00:10:27 ◼   ► in 1991 or whatever and any found out

00:10:29 ◼   ► that no you can't know you see 30 is not

00:10:33 ◼   ► worth of $5,000 yeah yeah i had my first

00:10:37 ◼   ► mac was an SE with the not the 30 but

00:10:40 ◼   ► with the double I know that your

00:10:43 ◼   ► identity our identity harddrive heard of

00:10:45 ◼   ► floppy drive and I said you know I sold

00:10:49 ◼   ► it to buy the next one in dino but i

00:10:50 ◼   ► still had you know like 10 years later

00:10:53 ◼   ► or whatever it was i still had all of

00:10:56 ◼   ► the the floppy discipline LOL digital

00:10:58 ◼   ► games i thought i'd be kind of fun to

00:10:59 ◼   ► try these

00:11:00 ◼   ► so this was like 10 years ago now and

00:11:03 ◼   ► got on ebay and you know machine that I

00:11:05 ◼   ► paid two thousand dollars for i got it

00:11:07 ◼   ► for a dollar

00:11:08 ◼   ► listen we got the same got the same shot

00:11:10 ◼   ► for a dollar and now it's here it's here

00:11:14 ◼   ► in the in my office with a with a mac

00:11:16 ◼   ► plus that a friend found on the side of

00:11:18 ◼   ► the road and i'm using for shelving you

00:11:23 ◼   ► i have my instincts are on the same way

00:11:25 ◼   ► and i have to fight it

00:11:26 ◼   ► yeah every step of the way I think of

00:11:28 ◼   ► course I want the head set out what

00:11:30 ◼   ► that's what that's what diantha diantha

00:11:31 ◼   ► suspect that she had this conversation

00:11:33 ◼   ► with Amy Jean she said because what i

00:11:36 ◼   ► bought the imac from she said you just

00:11:39 ◼   ► like group you know and I don't have it

00:11:43 ◼   ► set up like and I don't have a tie i

00:11:45 ◼   ► don't have as many as you do and I'm

00:11:47 ◼   ► trying to fight the instinct to collect

00:11:49 ◼   ► more but my instinct is always to say

00:11:51 ◼   ► yes and if I i would do the same thing I

00:11:53 ◼   ► I didn't even really care for the the

00:11:55 ◼   ► the candy colored Mac era didn't really

00:11:58 ◼   ► even here for that whole aesthetic but

00:12:00 ◼   ► if i was in comedies house and he's

00:12:02 ◼   ► having is a moving garage sale and

00:12:04 ◼   ► there's a nice limonene imac my instinct

00:12:06 ◼   ► would be well I'll take that

00:12:08 ◼   ► yeah that i missed it i missed a 12 inch

00:12:10 ◼   ► powerbook by like 10 minutes

00:12:12 ◼   ► what about that till just kicking my I

00:12:15 ◼   ► was kicking myself but I walked out over

00:12:18 ◼   ► the line my Mac I've never had one of

00:12:20 ◼   ► this this generation either i went

00:12:23 ◼   ► straight from a performance 6400 illa

00:12:25 ◼   ► the g4 power

00:12:29 ◼   ► you know we are you and I worked where

00:12:31 ◼   ► we know we rehearse this show very very

00:12:34 ◼   ► sure to put a lot of effort into the

00:12:36 ◼   ► rehearsal tonight preparation but while

00:12:38 ◼   ► we were doing that one of the things we

00:12:39 ◼   ► we talked about you talk about what site

00:12:43 ◼   ► you used to write for I guess you

00:12:44 ◼   ► haven't really officially shut it down

00:12:45 ◼   ► but cars the crazy apple rumors have it

00:12:48 ◼   ► yeah ah uu if you tell me about a pc i

00:12:53 ◼   ► had to abandon about the what what how

00:12:58 ◼   ► would you describe her

00:13:00 ◼   ► the the mac that clip liquid I mean I i

00:13:05 ◼   ► assume that she's clipart I mean that

00:13:07 ◼   ► she was like a not actually a person who

00:13:10 ◼   ► worked there in that connection what the

00:13:12 ◼   ► mac connection had a log used to buy

00:13:14 ◼   ► yeah i mean the way that we got all the

00:13:16 ◼   ► information back then was you get these

00:13:17 ◼   ► magazines you could macworld to get mac

00:13:19 ◼   ► addict or whatever and in the back he

00:13:21 ◼   ► opened up and they're all these ads for

00:13:24 ◼   ► places like Matt connection at macmall

00:13:26 ◼   ► that you know where we used by all

00:13:27 ◼   ► that's all of our stuff for the rabble

00:13:29 ◼   ► stores because you know that was chances

00:13:31 ◼   ► are there was no place in town that you

00:13:33 ◼   ► could buy anything from apple if you're

00:13:37 ◼   ► certainly if you were someplace you know

00:13:39 ◼   ► smaller town maybe you can go to a

00:13:41 ◼   ► circuit city organic was a computer

00:13:44 ◼   ► saying and go back at you know sandwich

00:13:47 ◼   ► between the peripherals of the Damned

00:13:49 ◼   ► there be your Mac section but at most

00:13:52 ◼   ► everybody bought stuff from the back of

00:13:54 ◼   ► these magazines and so there was ok so

00:13:56 ◼   ► they always said some pretty girl who

00:13:58 ◼   ► was supposedly the phone the phone the

00:14:01 ◼   ► person that you would call it would be

00:14:03 ◼   ► ready and willing to take your your

00:14:05 ◼   ► order and so the piece was you know

00:14:08 ◼   ► going to be about what she's doing now

00:14:11 ◼   ► because this place is though I don't

00:14:14 ◼   ► think they do the pills and the thing

00:14:15 ◼   ► just the thing to remember is that mac

00:14:17 ◼   ► connection was one of the bigger names

00:14:19 ◼   ► number two number two it is really dates

00:14:21 ◼   ► I mean this is me and you were getting

00:14:23 ◼   ► into grandfather mode here but you have

00:14:24 ◼   ► to remember there was no web yet i mean

00:14:26 ◼   ► we're talking early night right

00:14:28 ◼   ► very early night yeah nobody trusts me

00:14:30 ◼   ► nobody bought anything I mean before

00:14:32 ◼   ► amazon really this is before there even

00:14:34 ◼   ► was a web though I mean or if there was

00:14:36 ◼   ► it would certainly creampies get on it

00:14:37 ◼   ► yeah some of it yeah yeah so if you

00:14:39 ◼   ► wanted to buy a new modem you had to

00:14:42 ◼   ► have like a magazine handy where you can

00:14:44 ◼   ► call one of these 1-800 numbers and tell

00:14:46 ◼   ► them which one wanted and and do it but

00:14:49 ◼   ► the thing with matt connection is it was

00:14:50 ◼   ► always the exact same photo of this

00:14:53 ◼   ► woman

00:14:54 ◼   ► it never changed they never picked a

00:14:56 ◼   ► different woman they only had one

00:14:58 ◼   ► picture of her which is certainly one of

00:15:00 ◼   ► the reasons i always thought it was

00:15:01 ◼   ► clipart to that they you know it wasn't

00:15:03 ◼   ► like to have a series of photos yeah

00:15:05 ◼   ► they were taking a new picture of her

00:15:06 ◼   ► every year and once you ordered

00:15:08 ◼   ► something from one of these companies

00:15:09 ◼   ► are in another big one is macmall I mean

00:15:12 ◼   ► I don't know these things they might

00:15:13 ◼   ► even still be around i don't know but

00:15:15 ◼   ► but once you order that macmall

00:15:16 ◼   ► definitely you you would get on their

00:15:18 ◼   ► list and then once a month it send you

00:15:20 ◼   ► an updated catalogue and this actually

00:15:21 ◼   ► was this wasn't like annoying i wish

00:15:24 ◼   ► they'd stop this was actually helpful

00:15:26 ◼   ► because then you would you know that

00:15:28 ◼   ► there's like the only way you know what

00:15:29 ◼   ► the new prices were for stuff right I

00:15:31 ◼   ► and find out of a new product right i

00:15:33 ◼   ► mean i was effectively the the app store

00:15:35 ◼   ► and Amazon all rolled up in one because

00:15:38 ◼   ► that's how you actually have to buy your

00:15:39 ◼   ► apps at by it your apps in a box but

00:15:43 ◼   ► Matt connection always was the exact

00:15:45 ◼   ► same woman and anybody from that era

00:15:47 ◼   ► well now she I mean she was attractive

00:15:49 ◼   ► but she wasn't like super attractive she

00:15:51 ◼   ► was now girl-next-door yeah like totally

00:15:54 ◼   ► feasible that maybe she was somebody who

00:15:56 ◼   ► answered the phone for them and they're

00:15:58 ◼   ► like hey Sally would you mind if we take

00:15:59 ◼   ► a picture

00:16:00 ◼   ► uh-huh maybe it maybe she was on the

00:16:03 ◼   ► train I don't know for everybody maybe

00:16:05 ◼   ► she did work there one right and hatred

00:16:07 ◼   ► hey turn around click she didn't really

00:16:08 ◼   ► she did not look like a model like a

00:16:13 ◼   ► fashion model who was told he put this

00:16:15 ◼   ► headset on and pretend you're on the

00:16:16 ◼   ► phone for a second

00:16:18 ◼   ► I'm you know but she is attractive but

00:16:21 ◼   ► she also was very she also was very

00:16:23 ◼   ► attractive in like a get the photo was

00:16:25 ◼   ► very clearly taken in 1987 like she

00:16:28 ◼   ► could not have looked more eighties and

00:16:31 ◼   ► I even buy like the early nineties sort

00:16:33 ◼   ► of started looking dated but exam

00:16:36 ◼   ► yeah but it but we love to but she

00:16:40 ◼   ► effectively was the logo from

00:16:42 ◼   ► connection like she went with the Apple

00:16:44 ◼   ► the apple with a bite out of it

00:16:46 ◼   ► mark is to apple that that woman was to

00:16:49 ◼   ► Matt connection like you wouldn't know

00:16:51 ◼   ► it was Matt connection if you didn't see

00:16:52 ◼   ► her and her photo was huge it was huge

00:16:56 ◼   ► and catalog it was like where the people

00:16:58 ◼   ► with this woman that's what you want to

00:17:03 ◼   ► go get what you say that you go to sleep

00:17:04 ◼   ► you have on their site to see if she's

00:17:08 ◼   ► still there and you said you had to

00:17:09 ◼   ► abandon the piece though

00:17:12 ◼   ► yeah I got it just got too dark this is

00:17:14 ◼   ► another good place to take a comedy like

00:17:16 ◼   ► now that she's she's yeah it didn't end

00:17:18 ◼   ► up well for her she's in an unhappy

00:17:22 ◼   ► marriage

00:17:23 ◼   ► ah so I feel like there's a lot going on

00:17:27 ◼   ► I feel like like this is we're going to

00:17:30 ◼   ► fill up an hour here easy on me today

00:17:31 ◼   ► today is couple things that new stuff i

00:17:34 ◼   ► mean stuff that just if we had recorded

00:17:35 ◼   ► yesterday we would already be out of

00:17:37 ◼   ► date right so what we got today

00:17:40 ◼   ► run run run down the news today Samsung

00:17:45 ◼   ► losses how much 19 gazillion 10 billion

00:17:52 ◼   ► dollars wiped off its value

00:17:54 ◼   ► following a report baby x digits packets

00:17:57 ◼   ► man that's gotta hurt

00:17:58 ◼   ► that's the worst damn billion white

00:18:00 ◼   ► wiped off your value from a report by

00:18:03 ◼   ► digitizing indicating that Apple place

00:18:05 ◼   ► the large order for deer am from a

00:18:10 ◼   ► Japanese better

00:18:11 ◼   ► elpida it is create digit times

00:18:16 ◼   ► yeah and I think I mean that's happened

00:18:20 ◼   ► I mean maybe not to that degree but some

00:18:22 ◼   ► of that has happened to apple the past

00:18:24 ◼   ► certainly and I don't know maybe not

00:18:27 ◼   ► source from digitize but definitely I

00:18:29 ◼   ► mean there's been instances were some

00:18:31 ◼   ► rumors of negatively affected apples

00:18:34 ◼   ► your place but this is pretty

00:18:35 ◼   ► I this is pretty big I mean it's old

00:18:37 ◼   ► news I mean and everything you can find

00:18:39 ◼   ► examples of it every week where the

00:18:41 ◼   ► stock market is not rational and it you

00:18:44 ◼   ► know tends to overreact it's a herd

00:18:45 ◼   ► mentality but this seems right i mean a

00:18:48 ◼   ► new and ironed it's not like we're fans

00:18:49 ◼   ► of samsung in particular but this seems

00:18:51 ◼   ► outrageously greatly fair to write to

00:18:55 ◼   ► samsung

00:18:55 ◼   ► I mean that Samsung is doing seems to be

00:18:58 ◼   ► doing pretty darn well as a business

00:19:00 ◼   ► say what you want about you know whether

00:19:01 ◼   ► you like using the galaxy dingus phones

00:19:04 ◼   ► or whatever but Rob but they seem to

00:19:07 ◼   ► have a really rich business where they

00:19:08 ◼   ► have a lot of things they're doing well

00:19:10 ◼   ► in the phone market they're the only

00:19:11 ◼   ► company other than apple making any

00:19:13 ◼   ► significant profit I mean there's only

00:19:14 ◼   ► two companies in the world making a

00:19:16 ◼   ► profit serious profit selling phones

00:19:18 ◼   ► apple and samsung and then the only 3rd

00:19:21 ◼   ► company that's making like ten dollars a

00:19:23 ◼   ► year is HTC everyone else is losing

00:19:25 ◼   ► money so that's pretty good

00:19:27 ◼   ► I they make their own screens they got

00:19:29 ◼   ► manufacturing you know they did they're

00:19:31 ◼   ► doing well in the TV business they they

00:19:33 ◼   ► have a wide-ranging I mean they're a

00:19:35 ◼   ► conglomerate in every sense of the word

00:19:37 ◼   ► and it seems like they're doing really

00:19:38 ◼   ► well and then digitize it says apples

00:19:40 ◼   ► buying dear am from a deputy's company

00:19:42 ◼   ► and they lose six billion dollars i was

00:19:45 ◼   ► six billion 10 says 10 billion dollars

00:19:48 ◼   ► in marketing campus is a lot like an

00:19:50 ◼   ► electric least within several I I mean I

00:19:52 ◼   ► presume that that will even out i'm in

00:19:54 ◼   ► angles people will sober up after lunch

00:19:57 ◼   ► and maybe the stock oh yeah even out but

00:20:00 ◼   ► it just seems especially coming a day or

00:20:03 ◼   ► two after Harry McCracken's epic alright

00:20:07 ◼   ► let's say here's 25 digit time reports

00:20:09 ◼   ► from the last few years right and then

00:20:12 ◼   ► they run back in and and sell yourselves

00:20:15 ◼   ► right and like like Keith that's like

00:20:19 ◼   ► harry mccracken I mean that is like some

00:20:21 ◼   ► serious claim child's cooking to go not

00:20:24 ◼   ► just like one at a time but to do 25 and

00:20:26 ◼   ► more or less the result was if the if

00:20:29 ◼   ► the report from digit times even vaguely

00:20:31 ◼   ► sensational interesting it ended up

00:20:33 ◼   ► being complete bullshit and and the only

00:20:36 ◼   ► ones that it that panned out were the

00:20:38 ◼   ► ones that were kinda obvious like novels

00:20:41 ◼   ► making the new phone this year right

00:20:44 ◼   ► like anything that was actually like

00:20:47 ◼   ► news where the internet and it's just

00:20:50 ◼   ► that it just appalls me man over and

00:20:52 ◼   ► over again people will still credulous

00:20:54 ◼   ► Lee report things four digit times

00:20:57 ◼   ► without i mean i think most of the most

00:21:00 ◼   ► of the rumor sites now seem to at least

00:21:02 ◼   ► being released to be putting some sort

00:21:05 ◼   ► of disclaimer in about digital variety

00:21:07 ◼   ► that they're very is a little

00:21:08 ◼   ► they still yeah to me they're they're so

00:21:11 ◼   ► bad it's not worth it and it's not even

00:21:14 ◼   ► worth mentioning right i mean it's so

00:21:17 ◼   ► bad that I think you could really use

00:21:19 ◼   ► you would clean up

00:21:20 ◼   ► I mean I got a preposterous set sense

00:21:23 ◼   ► you would just clean up if you bet

00:21:25 ◼   ► against anything there against because

00:21:27 ◼   ► they're never there never write very

00:21:31 ◼   ► strange

00:21:32 ◼   ► now you like to gamble i do like to

00:21:34 ◼   ► gamble I do you also identity you play

00:21:37 ◼   ► the stocks now i don't i should but that

00:21:39 ◼   ► because you know yeah it seems like

00:21:41 ◼   ► those two things will go hand-in-hand

00:21:43 ◼   ► I can see how it like I think it once

00:21:47 ◼   ► you have a taste for it i do you know

00:21:49 ◼   ► and then stuff like this JP Morgan stuff

00:21:51 ◼   ► with a guy lost two billion dollars or

00:21:53 ◼   ► difference of loops it really is it's

00:21:56 ◼   ► the same thing it's just there's no

00:21:58 ◼   ► difference between blackjack in the

00:22:00 ◼   ► stock market except i think that the

00:22:02 ◼   ► difference is there's no house in the

00:22:04 ◼   ► stock market so if you're you know the

00:22:06 ◼   ► big guy dominates the advantage to it is

00:22:08 ◼   ► that you know you really you might be

00:22:10 ◼   ► able to actually win in the long term

00:22:12 ◼   ► since there's nobody taking a

00:22:14 ◼   ► mathematical cut

00:22:16 ◼   ► yeah somebody did a thing a couple years

00:22:19 ◼   ► ago because if it was Matt how he or

00:22:21 ◼   ► somebody but they just it wasn't super

00:22:25 ◼   ► recent it was a before Apple really

00:22:26 ◼   ► became huge it was when Apple was like

00:22:29 ◼   ► in while apple's making a nice recovery

00:22:31 ◼   ► but they're still like like one of the

00:22:33 ◼   ► smaller players in tech but somebody had

00:22:37 ◼   ► done a thing where they just tracked

00:22:38 ◼   ► apple's stock price after keynote

00:22:42 ◼   ► announcements and it like 44 times out

00:22:45 ◼   ► of five right it went down the day of

00:22:49 ◼   ► you know like the afternoon after a

00:22:50 ◼   ► keynote and always recovered by the next

00:22:54 ◼   ► week and inclined but you could you know

00:22:55 ◼   ► that looked like you could really

00:22:57 ◼   ► without paying any attention to the

00:22:59 ◼   ► specifics of the rumors or even

00:23:02 ◼   ► listening to what was announced in the

00:23:03 ◼   ► keynote if you just bought apple in the

00:23:06 ◼   ► afternoon after it dip five percent

00:23:08 ◼   ► because they didn't announce you know 3d

00:23:11 ◼   ► glasses that run on infinitely never run

00:23:14 ◼   ► dry batteries as was predicted by

00:23:17 ◼   ► analyst and engine sell it in a week

00:23:19 ◼   ► after recovered and ever

00:23:21 ◼   ► he was like hey you know they actually

00:23:22 ◼   ► didn't have some cool stuff but when

00:23:27 ◼   ► he's so good

00:23:28 ◼   ► yeah you would you would like you can

00:23:29 ◼   ► just make money you need money I I feel

00:23:32 ◼   ► like there's a lot of padding

00:23:33 ◼   ► programmable there's gotta be some

00:23:35 ◼   ► patterns like that the stock market

00:23:36 ◼   ► right there definitely are and I think

00:23:41 ◼   ► once or twice I mean one every once in a

00:23:43 ◼   ► while the little buck the trend but

00:23:45 ◼   ► still if you did it if you did it over

00:23:46 ◼   ► time enough you got you got to make a

00:23:49 ◼   ► lot of money doing that there's a lot of

00:23:52 ◼   ► I think that you can see a lot of gaming

00:23:55 ◼   ► I mean it's almost you can see that

00:23:57 ◼   ► there are people trying to float rumors

00:23:59 ◼   ► leading up to events in order to try to

00:24:05 ◼   ► affect the stock price right there's two

00:24:08 ◼   ► senses of that there's the did nerd sent

00:24:10 ◼   ► were we just listened and and we just

00:24:14 ◼   ► want to know about the cool stuff and

00:24:16 ◼   ► you know the sites like the verge and

00:24:18 ◼   ► gadget we just want to hear it we just

00:24:21 ◼   ► want to give us to give us the specs

00:24:23 ◼   ► like I you know in a way that like we

00:24:26 ◼   ► don't what we're happy when we have

00:24:29 ◼   ► surprises in the keynote that aren't

00:24:31 ◼   ► spoiled but if they're going to be

00:24:32 ◼   ► spoiled let me read all the details

00:24:34 ◼   ► about it in advance

00:24:35 ◼   ► I can't help myself right ah but we

00:24:37 ◼   ► really just they're doing it as nerds

00:24:39 ◼   ► but there's also clearly another set of

00:24:42 ◼   ► people who are setting things up to try

00:24:44 ◼   ► to like it seems very clear that they're

00:24:46 ◼   ► trying to move the stock right tells us

00:24:51 ◼   ► what it's more like this time is more

00:24:54 ◼   ► like this is more like poker then like

00:24:56 ◼   ► you know more like we're sitting around

00:24:58 ◼   ► playing poker with a bunch of different

00:24:59 ◼   ► people as opposed to play nice yes

00:25:01 ◼   ► exactly i have a friend who years ago

00:25:05 ◼   ► actually did that and he decided he got

00:25:08 ◼   ► he got into online

00:25:10 ◼   ► we're playing poker online and then got

00:25:12 ◼   ► so good at it that he decided he was

00:25:16 ◼   ► gonna try and he's gonna take six months

00:25:17 ◼   ► and try and make it his job and he did I

00:25:21 ◼   ► mean he did ok you know his family

00:25:24 ◼   ► wasn't having the street or anything but

00:25:25 ◼   ► he didn't do it didn't do incredibly and

00:25:28 ◼   ► but with the thing that really drove him

00:25:29 ◼   ► back to do a regular job was that he

00:25:35 ◼   ► just got tired of taking advantage of

00:25:36 ◼   ► you because that's what you have to do I

00:25:39 ◼   ► mean you go in there and I mean

00:25:41 ◼   ► particularly around here he wasn't in

00:25:42 ◼   ► vegas he was he was around here going to

00:25:44 ◼   ► be no Indian casinos and and then you

00:25:48 ◼   ► know you get to know the people who

00:25:50 ◼   ► would play there and then you know what

00:25:51 ◼   ► there with her weaknesses are and you

00:25:54 ◼   ► would just exploit them and you know he

00:25:57 ◼   ► figured he either had to really like go

00:26:00 ◼   ► into that in order to make a good living

00:26:02 ◼   ► doing it or he had to just you know give

00:26:04 ◼   ► up and do something else so we just need

00:26:06 ◼   ► to do something else but that I mean it

00:26:08 ◼   ► seems like that situation is more like

00:26:10 ◼   ► the stock market

00:26:12 ◼   ► yeah i think definitely but it's also

00:26:14 ◼   ► good the case to where I it's almost

00:26:19 ◼   ► like poker where sometimes the cards you

00:26:21 ◼   ► can just see everybody's cards like and

00:26:23 ◼   ► i think apple is that type of company I

00:26:24 ◼   ► guys it's like one of the like non-stop

00:26:26 ◼   ► recurring themes of what I talk about

00:26:29 ◼   ► what I write about is that Apple is

00:26:32 ◼   ► really a fairly simple company they

00:26:34 ◼   ► really i mean they're the Bible by

00:26:36 ◼   ► market value their the biggest company

00:26:39 ◼   ► in the world but they're really I really

00:26:42 ◼   ► pretty simple i mean you can actually

00:26:43 ◼   ► get to know the company just by walking

00:26:46 ◼   ► into one of their stores because of the

00:26:48 ◼   ► stores sort of represent everything they

00:26:51 ◼   ► do and the emphasis they put on things

00:26:54 ◼   ► in the stores is pretty close to

00:26:56 ◼   ► relative the important it is to them as

00:26:59 ◼   ► a company you know the iphones and ipads

00:27:01 ◼   ► or upfront the most important max are

00:27:04 ◼   ► the macbooks especially the heirs and

00:27:08 ◼   ► cannot the iphone cases are in the back

00:27:14 ◼   ► it's a really simple company and then

00:27:17 ◼   ► you read you know if you're obsessed

00:27:20 ◼   ► with the company like we are and then

00:27:21 ◼   ► you've sometimes you see the financial

00:27:23 ◼   ► analysts and and they're so bizarrely

00:27:25 ◼   ► wrong and you disassociate from that's

00:27:29 ◼   ► all they do is just study the company

00:27:31 ◼   ► yeah that's a good point i didn't

00:27:33 ◼   ► thought about that i mean it and it kind

00:27:34 ◼   ► of think about like the microsoft store

00:27:37 ◼   ► and how that is not true at Microsoft

00:27:40 ◼   ► right i mean basically microsoft store

00:27:43 ◼   ► is pretty much a copy of an apple store

00:27:45 ◼   ► and it's their consumer and I guess it's

00:27:47 ◼   ► maybe it's a good focus

00:27:48 ◼   ► good lens on their consumer business but

00:27:51 ◼   ► it it's not a good lens on the company

00:27:53 ◼   ► in general because most of the

00:27:54 ◼   ► businesses enterprise stuff right and

00:27:57 ◼   ► that's you know it i don't know that it

00:27:59 ◼   ► has to be that way and then you know the

00:28:01 ◼   ► microsoft others might end up being good

00:28:02 ◼   ► for them

00:28:03 ◼   ► I don't know it doesn't it I just think

00:28:05 ◼   ► it but again

00:28:06 ◼   ► microsoft is not an easy as easy

00:28:08 ◼   ► anywhere near as easy as a company to

00:28:09 ◼   ► understand is as Apple right right um

00:28:13 ◼   ► they do a decent I mean I've been up I

00:28:15 ◼   ► have only been up past there's one up

00:28:17 ◼   ► about 45 minutes to an hour from here

00:28:20 ◼   ► and it's never as packed as an apple

00:28:24 ◼   ► store is on saturday afternoon but and

00:28:27 ◼   ► it's also you know it's right next to

00:28:29 ◼   ► redmond so I mean maybe that's got

00:28:31 ◼   ► something to do with it but on they do a

00:28:33 ◼   ► decent into a decent business in there

00:28:35 ◼   ► is usually me go by there on a Saturday

00:28:37 ◼   ► afternoon and and it's it's full and

00:28:39 ◼   ► their number of people walking around i

00:28:43 ◼   ► don't know how many people buying things

00:28:44 ◼   ► but at least that people in there

00:28:46 ◼   ► hey I should hit the money button here

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00:29:51 ◼   ► interface it really you know what also i

00:29:54 ◼   ► would say that an easy to it is super

00:29:56 ◼   ► easy it really is I week I could go on

00:29:58 ◼   ► and on about I will also say one of my

00:30:00 ◼   ► favorite icons ever it has one of the

00:30:05 ◼   ► best app icons I've ever seen

00:30:07 ◼   ► I i applied almost any at icon that is

00:30:10 ◼   ► not some sort of square thing with a

00:30:12 ◼   ► pencil over the top blue yes in blue

00:30:16 ◼   ► they did it half the reason I love the

00:30:19 ◼   ► icon is that there's no there's not one

00:30:21 ◼   ► pixel blue in it you happy yeah i think

00:30:24 ◼   ► that it makes it stand out

00:30:26 ◼   ► I mean it's complete very noticeable in

00:30:28 ◼   ► my doc that that's a good segue into

00:30:33 ◼   ► something I wanted to talk about and and

00:30:35 ◼   ► I want to talk about it because I don't

00:30:38 ◼   ► know what to write about it because I

00:30:40 ◼   ► really don't know what I think about yet

00:30:42 ◼   ► like I know it's something but i really

00:30:44 ◼   ► i started my mind about it i don't i

00:30:48 ◼   ► don't have my mind made up about it but

00:30:50 ◼   ► its windows forearm windows forearm has

00:30:52 ◼   ► rules that are a lot like those of iOS

00:30:55 ◼   ► where that the only apps you can install

00:31:00 ◼   ► our Metro apps and they have to go

00:31:02 ◼   ► through the microsoft app store and the

00:31:05 ◼   ► metro api's are like all brand new and

00:31:09 ◼   ► they're not you can't run you can't just

00:31:12 ◼   ► recompile your existing looks like

00:31:14 ◼   ► windows as we know it app just hit a

00:31:16 ◼   ► button and let me compile it forearm and

00:31:18 ◼   ► have a virgin you come it doesn't work

00:31:20 ◼   ► like that can have it so last week it

00:31:23 ◼   ► came out I mean this is news that that's

00:31:26 ◼   ► the way it's going to be but mozilla

00:31:27 ◼   ► officially came out as being in

00:31:29 ◼   ► opposition to this that because they

00:31:32 ◼   ► can't do a full version of firefox for

00:31:35 ◼   ► Windows RT making the argument that this

00:31:40 ◼   ► not just is not the way it should be but

00:31:43 ◼   ► that it shouldn't even be allowed to be

00:31:45 ◼   ► this way because of all the the

00:31:47 ◼   ► antitrust agreement microsoft has made

00:31:49 ◼   ► do the unpleasantness and the the late

00:31:53 ◼   ► nineties with the US department of

00:31:55 ◼   ► justice and I guess you

00:31:56 ◼   ► with your upto they've the European and

00:32:01 ◼   ► so I can totally see I absolutely see

00:32:04 ◼   ► why why

00:32:05 ◼   ► mozilla would it push in this direction

00:32:08 ◼   ► because it's certainly in their

00:32:09 ◼   ► interests to have firefox going to be

00:32:13 ◼   ► able to do a full version of firefox for

00:32:15 ◼   ► all versions of windows so I don't fault

00:32:17 ◼   ► them for pushing in this direction but I

00:32:21 ◼   ► don't know I I i tend to think my the

00:32:25 ◼   ► way eileen is that Microsoft is actually

00:32:27 ◼   ► isn't doing anything wrong here

00:32:30 ◼   ► right well you would like two piece that

00:32:34 ◼   ► indicated and most of that stuff is

00:32:36 ◼   ► written in terms of that there were

00:32:38 ◼   ► restrictions were on intel-based heart

00:32:40 ◼   ► right so and it seems to me it seems to

00:32:45 ◼   ► make more sense i mean if you think

00:32:45 ◼   ► about the tablet market it's not obvious

00:32:47 ◼   ► that Microsoft is not in a minimum

00:32:49 ◼   ► position on the tablet market so it

00:32:53 ◼   ► seems like this should be considered new

00:32:57 ◼   ► territory right there's a couple ways to

00:32:59 ◼   ► look at and I think looking at it and

00:33:02 ◼   ► everybody think the news was that

00:33:03 ◼   ► Mozilla kind of crack the seal on

00:33:06 ◼   ► wanting to look at this from a legal

00:33:07 ◼   ► perspective and not that they filed a

00:33:10 ◼   ► lawsuit

00:33:10 ◼   ► I mean and and I've gotten there yet but

00:33:13 ◼   ► they sort of at least like open the door

00:33:16 ◼   ► and that you know indicated that maybe

00:33:19 ◼   ► you know maybe such as you know whether

00:33:21 ◼   ► it would be like a civil suit or whether

00:33:23 ◼   ► it would be them petitioning the

00:33:25 ◼   ► department of justice or the European

00:33:26 ◼   ► regulators to look into this but that

00:33:28 ◼   ► you know legal action might might end up

00:33:31 ◼   ► being taken place but I actually think

00:33:32 ◼   ► Microsoft might be on good ground in

00:33:34 ◼   ► this regard because like you said that

00:33:36 ◼   ► the actual findings of facts from 1999

00:33:39 ◼   ► and the great unpleasantness really do

00:33:41 ◼   ► mention over and over and over again 30

00:33:43 ◼   ► sometimes Intel compatible pc operating

00:33:48 ◼   ► systems

00:33:50 ◼   ► yeah and that the thing that you think

00:33:52 ◼   ► that you link to was specifically the

00:33:54 ◼   ► doc Department of Justice settlement

00:33:58 ◼   ► with Mike right off so I mean they may

00:33:59 ◼   ► have a different issue with your plan

00:34:01 ◼   ► situation so I mean maybe maybe that's

00:34:06 ◼   ► another right and one of the things you

00:34:08 ◼   ► know I remember this and I wasn't

00:34:09 ◼   ► writing during

00:34:10 ◼   ► i bought the time but I was certainly

00:34:11 ◼   ► following the tech industry just as

00:34:13 ◼   ► obsessively you know and just appear

00:34:16 ◼   ► layman's understanding of antitrust laws

00:34:18 ◼   ► that monopolies aren't illegal in and of

00:34:21 ◼   ► themselves

00:34:21 ◼   ► it's just that when you have a monopoly

00:34:23 ◼   ► you have to play by different rules so

00:34:26 ◼   ► it's not that hey you have a monopoly

00:34:28 ◼   ► you've got to be busted up now it

00:34:30 ◼   ► doesn't work like that but it's hey you

00:34:31 ◼   ► have a monopoly you can't do certain

00:34:33 ◼   ► things that you could do if you didn't

00:34:37 ◼   ► have a monopoly on but there's all its

00:34:41 ◼   ► it's hard to sometimes I think

00:34:43 ◼   ► especially in the computer industry it's

00:34:45 ◼   ► really kind of hard it depends how you

00:34:48 ◼   ► divide something up to say whether

00:34:50 ◼   ► something is a monopoly or not like I

00:34:51 ◼   ► think the old AT&T phone monopoly in the

00:34:54 ◼   ► US was as clear cases could be because

00:34:58 ◼   ► if you wanted to call make a call to

00:35:00 ◼   ► somebody who didn't live in your town

00:35:02 ◼   ► the one and only way to do it was

00:35:03 ◼   ► through AT&T and you paid whatever AT&T

00:35:06 ◼   ► said you wanted to pay I I mean that's

00:35:09 ◼   ► about as classic of a monopoly is it

00:35:11 ◼   ► could be i think that the old railroad

00:35:13 ◼   ► monopolies were as classic of monopolies

00:35:16 ◼   ► you want if you wanted to ship something

00:35:18 ◼   ► on a train from here to there had to go

00:35:21 ◼   ► through these guys and there were no

00:35:22 ◼   ► other options but when you start talking

00:35:26 ◼   ► I mean I've heard people i have heard

00:35:28 ◼   ► people endlessly talk about the fact

00:35:30 ◼   ► that that like at accuse apple of having

00:35:33 ◼   ► a monopoly on Mac OS that right that if

00:35:37 ◼   ► you want a mac you've gotta you can only

00:35:39 ◼   ► buy an Apple computer and I don't think

00:35:42 ◼   ► I think that's I don't think there's any

00:35:44 ◼   ► I don't think that actually is how

00:35:46 ◼   ► things work but right uh just from a

00:35:49 ◼   ► common-sense standpoint like you said

00:35:50 ◼   ► couple minutes ago

00:35:52 ◼   ► there's no I don't see how anybody could

00:35:53 ◼   ► argue that Microsoft's monopoly on PC

00:35:56 ◼   ► operating systems translates into

00:35:58 ◼   ► tablets right that these that the

00:36:02 ◼   ► machines that they intend to put Windows

00:36:03 ◼   ► RT on Microsoft not only does have a

00:36:06 ◼   ► monopoly they've got like nothing

00:36:08 ◼   ► they've got zip

00:36:10 ◼   ► I mean a tradition of try to saw windows

00:36:14 ◼   ► as a tablet operating system for years

00:36:15 ◼   ► and just not found anything but also

00:36:18 ◼   ► this is just this is completely new

00:36:19 ◼   ► marketing but I do it I I

00:36:23 ◼   ► I you know I have to say and I've you

00:36:26 ◼   ► know it's one of those things because i

00:36:27 ◼   ► have wasn't writing daring fireball at

00:36:29 ◼   ► the time and so there's no there's no

00:36:33 ◼   ► record I can't prove it but I really

00:36:36 ◼   ► have to say I was never all that

00:36:38 ◼   ► comfortable with with the way that that

00:36:42 ◼   ► the terms of Microsoft ended up agreeing

00:36:44 ◼   ► to it and the antitrust agreement

00:36:47 ◼   ► I've never i always thought that it just

00:36:51 ◼   ► I I kind of saw microsoft side on it i

00:36:55 ◼   ► do think that they did some things the

00:36:56 ◼   ► way that they I think the things that

00:36:58 ◼   ► they did that were wrong and clearly

00:36:59 ◼   ► were illegal and deserve some sort of

00:37:01 ◼   ► legal punishment were the the hardball

00:37:05 ◼   ► tactics they took where it was like hey

00:37:07 ◼   ► you're gonna do this like they go to del

00:37:09 ◼   ► and say you're going to make Internet

00:37:13 ◼   ► Explorer the default browser or we're

00:37:15 ◼   ► not going to sell you any copies of

00:37:16 ◼   ► windows period you know that right that

00:37:19 ◼   ► right and that's illegal because they

00:37:22 ◼   ► can't they needed L hat L needed

00:37:23 ◼   ► licenses for windows otherwise they go

00:37:25 ◼   ► out of business there were you know

00:37:26 ◼   ► while there were other quote unquote

00:37:29 ◼   ► Intel pc operating systems by the

00:37:31 ◼   ► nineties you couldn't make any money

00:37:33 ◼   ► selling computers that had used them

00:37:35 ◼   ► ah but I don't know that they should

00:37:39 ◼   ► have been forced to make some of these

00:37:41 ◼   ► rules about windows and what they can do

00:37:43 ◼   ► by default it really does yeah I always

00:37:46 ◼   ► struck me as something that was going to

00:37:47 ◼   ► hamstring them i think i thought at the

00:37:50 ◼   ► time I was just happy that you know

00:37:51 ◼   ► anything i was happy to see Microsoft

00:37:55 ◼   ► get stuck by some right so I was a yeah

00:37:58 ◼   ► certainly supported it at the time but

00:38:01 ◼   ► probably not from a real logical stand

00:38:03 ◼   ► right like first very specifically I

00:38:05 ◼   ► remember and this was like a huge point

00:38:06 ◼   ► of contention in the court proceedings

00:38:08 ◼   ► was Microsoft's argument that internet

00:38:10 ◼   ► explorer was part of the operating

00:38:12 ◼   ► system not and it couldn't be the way

00:38:16 ◼   ► that it was made it couldn't be dissin

00:38:19 ◼   ► taken out uh and i think that the

00:38:24 ◼   ► slashdot crowd really saw no merit to

00:38:29 ◼   ► that argument whatsoever because at a

00:38:31 ◼   ► technical level it certainly didn't have

00:38:33 ◼   ► to be that way

00:38:34 ◼   ► you certainly didn't have

00:38:35 ◼   ► to make the browser part of the

00:38:38 ◼   ► operating system but I actually think

00:38:41 ◼   ► Microsoft was right that internet

00:38:42 ◼   ► explorer was part of the operating

00:38:44 ◼   ► system in the same way that WebKit is

00:38:47 ◼   ► part of OS 10 and iOS that it's you know

00:38:54 ◼   ► that that

00:38:55 ◼   ► yeah David I think at the time I found

00:38:57 ◼   ► that a convenient excuse

00:38:59 ◼   ► you know they were trying to time and

00:39:01 ◼   ► they were doing things like trying to

00:39:02 ◼   ► make it the new windows explorer and

00:39:05 ◼   ► that kind of thing and I thought that

00:39:08 ◼   ► they were basically doing that in order

00:39:10 ◼   ► to try to make it part of the operating

00:39:12 ◼   ► system so they can use that as an excuse

00:39:14 ◼   ► but I think in retrospect some of that

00:39:17 ◼   ► was just my lack of foresight as to

00:39:21 ◼   ► where they where they thought they were

00:39:22 ◼   ► going with it but yeah and and that but

00:39:25 ◼   ► I think now fast-forward flash forward

00:39:28 ◼   ► fast forward I guess fast-forward to the

00:39:30 ◼   ► present day and it really this whole

00:39:34 ◼   ► argument really to me encapsulated the

00:39:37 ◼   ► incredible tables are turned position

00:39:41 ◼   ► between Apple and Microsoft mom you know

00:39:46 ◼   ► where Apple's role in that hole late

00:39:48 ◼   ► nineties Department of Justice

00:39:50 ◼   ► investigation against Microsoft was sort

00:39:53 ◼   ► of they like the fact that Apple didn't

00:39:56 ◼   ► go out of business was like the best

00:39:58 ◼   ► thing that ever happened to Microsoft

00:39:59 ◼   ► because they could say hey we've got a

00:40:01 ◼   ► competitor look at these guys these

00:40:02 ◼   ► apple guys there you know they've got

00:40:04 ◼   ► five percent of the market totally

00:40:06 ◼   ► different operating system and and there

00:40:08 ◼   ► was a don't take a right and there was

00:40:10 ◼   ► you know I think that there is a I think

00:40:13 ◼   ► everybody is largely an agreement that

00:40:15 ◼   ► was that was sort of Microsoft

00:40:16 ◼   ► motivation with the investment they made

00:40:18 ◼   ► the famous you know on stage appearance

00:40:21 ◼   ► big brother style behind steve jobs at

00:40:23 ◼   ► the macworld expo where they said hey

00:40:25 ◼   ► we're going to invest a couple hundred

00:40:26 ◼   ► million dollars in non-voting shares

00:40:28 ◼   ► we're you know we're buying some shares

00:40:31 ◼   ► that have no you know special class of

00:40:34 ◼   ► shares that doesn't give us any control

00:40:36 ◼   ► over apple we just want to support the

00:40:37 ◼   ► company

00:40:38 ◼   ► and we're were committing to make a

00:40:42 ◼   ► great version of internet explorer for

00:40:44 ◼   ► the mac apple is going to make it their

00:40:45 ◼   ► default browser and where you know

00:40:48 ◼   ► committing ourselves right here in

00:40:49 ◼   ► public to to the next version of

00:40:52 ◼   ► microsoft office which is going to be

00:40:53 ◼   ► fully compatible with Windows Office

00:40:56 ◼   ► which all of it was true right that the

00:40:58 ◼   ► internet explorer was a good Mac browser

00:41:00 ◼   ► at the time office was compatible and it

00:41:04 ◼   ► really did I think you know at the time

00:41:07 ◼   ► it really was essential

00:41:09 ◼   ► I don't know that apple would have gone

00:41:10 ◼   ► on a business if Microsoft cancelled

00:41:13 ◼   ► office for mac but it certainly would

00:41:15 ◼   ► have hurt a compass a big appearance he

00:41:17 ◼   ► is a bigger prize thing that there was

00:41:19 ◼   ► certainly a sizeable number of mac users

00:41:22 ◼   ► who if they couldn't have had a version

00:41:25 ◼   ► of office maybe couldn't have been you

00:41:27 ◼   ► know would have had to switch to a

00:41:29 ◼   ► windows pc it's funny how big a deal

00:41:34 ◼   ► that was back then I think about that

00:41:36 ◼   ► sometimes how big an office suite men's

00:41:38 ◼   ► it really was a huge in the 90 it was a

00:41:40 ◼   ► huge deal because it really was i I

00:41:43 ◼   ► think that a very basic level it was the

00:41:45 ◼   ► reason that people had computers right

00:41:48 ◼   ► that they'll I guess we just we printed

00:41:50 ◼   ► a lot more back then printed a lot more

00:41:52 ◼   ► printing was ridiculously huge LOL now

00:41:57 ◼   ► I'm I / sometimes my printer like the

00:41:59 ◼   ► yellow light blinks because there's

00:42:00 ◼   ► something in it gets like a month not

00:42:03 ◼   ► the only time I realize it is when I go

00:42:04 ◼   ► in front of boarding pass for my next

00:42:05 ◼   ► flight

00:42:06 ◼   ► yeah I have a I bro for a long time are

00:42:10 ◼   ► only our main printers in my office and

00:42:12 ◼   ► and my wife is the only one that uses it

00:42:15 ◼   ► and I mean it's still have every time it

00:42:17 ◼   ► fires up it scares me gets I get

00:42:19 ◼   ► startled by the noise and I actually had

00:42:22 ◼   ► to turn it off in order to get to this

00:42:24 ◼   ► podcast that is she is doing is your

00:42:28 ◼   ► wife or print he earns more than I do

00:42:30 ◼   ► see Prince study at more than I do

00:42:32 ◼   ► yeah she's it carries just a crazy part

00:42:35 ◼   ► she printed every time she will do

00:42:36 ◼   ► things like and and smart stuff too like

00:42:38 ◼   ► you're going on vacation or something

00:42:40 ◼   ► she'll print like a temporary with all

00:42:42 ◼   ► the basic information and so was I and I

00:42:45 ◼   ► just think well it's in my phone

00:42:46 ◼   ► somewhere and so like I'll just sit

00:42:49 ◼   ► there like a jerk and

00:42:50 ◼   ► and 20 minutes trying to find a

00:42:51 ◼   ► confirmation code while I'm at the hotel

00:42:53 ◼   ► checkout desk words just got like eight

00:42:56 ◼   ► pieces of paper that have everything you

00:42:57 ◼   ► could want to know right there but yeah

00:42:59 ◼   ► I mean a couple must I coming months ago

00:43:01 ◼   ► we went skiing and she you know was

00:43:03 ◼   ► smart enough to have to force it to know

00:43:05 ◼   ► that we were driving up into the

00:43:06 ◼   ► mountains and would not get good cell

00:43:08 ◼   ► coverage and so she printed out to the

00:43:10 ◼   ► directions and you know and sure enough

00:43:12 ◼   ► we got here we were we were just about

00:43:15 ◼   ► lost at one point and I'm like I have no

00:43:18 ◼   ► I've completely clueless because i have

00:43:21 ◼   ► no cell connection that it's you it's

00:43:24 ◼   ► like you're you and I are again exactly

00:43:27 ◼   ► in the same boat because I would never

00:43:28 ◼   ► think that I've to me printing

00:43:29 ◼   ► directions is something i did when i was

00:43:31 ◼   ► a kid right now it's not something a man

00:43:33 ◼   ► does today got an iphone but i do it is

00:43:39 ◼   ► really too many highlights the

00:43:41 ◼   ► difference between Apple and Microsoft

00:43:42 ◼   ► competitive positions where clearly i I

00:43:45 ◼   ► really don't think that this is even a

00:43:46 ◼   ► matter for dispute this isn't being an

00:43:49 ◼   ► apple fanboy or anything I mean windows

00:43:51 ◼   ► RT is chasing iOS I mean and it's going

00:43:55 ◼   ► to be you know that the other thing

00:43:59 ◼   ► they're doing is the next version of

00:44:01 ◼   ► windows phone is going to be based on

00:44:03 ◼   ► the big boy version of windows it's

00:44:05 ◼   ► going to be a it's a serious I've Paul

00:44:09 ◼   ► throughout throughout had a good piece

00:44:11 ◼   ► about it last week I link to better you

00:44:15 ◼   ► know it's a big deal for developers

00:44:17 ◼   ► it's you know it's going to look the

00:44:18 ◼   ► metro UI will be mostly the same but

00:44:20 ◼   ► it's a real significant under the hood

00:44:22 ◼   ► thing where it's not a grownup version

00:44:25 ◼   ► of the old windows mobile it's a

00:44:27 ◼   ► cut-down version of windows 8 and I

00:44:32 ◼   ► think Apple again there's there's legal

00:44:34 ◼   ► argument centres technical arguments and

00:44:36 ◼   ► the technical side I think you know

00:44:37 ◼   ► people have school down and it's no

00:44:40 ◼   ► longer nobody's as hot under the collar

00:44:42 ◼   ► as they used to be about the appstore

00:44:45 ◼   ► rules is just the basic idea not the

00:44:48 ◼   ► exceptional cases where it's you know

00:44:50 ◼   ► there's some kind of edge case rejection

00:44:53 ◼   ► right but just the basic idea that apps

00:44:56 ◼   ► go through the app store they're all

00:44:59 ◼   ► reviewed and there's a lot of things you

00:45:02 ◼   ► know you've got to play within a tight

00:45:03 ◼   ► set of

00:45:04 ◼   ► sandbox rules that keep your app from

00:45:06 ◼   ► you know running a monk you don't have

00:45:08 ◼   ► background privilege or you're very

00:45:10 ◼   ► limited background privileges you can't

00:45:14 ◼   ► see the whole file system you can only

00:45:16 ◼   ► see that your own data sandboxing does

00:45:20 ◼   ► still get people developers on under the

00:45:23 ◼   ► collar

00:45:23 ◼   ► well in it that's a different issue on

00:45:25 ◼   ► the mac though and part of that it

00:45:27 ◼   ► really highlights and I think it shows

00:45:29 ◼   ► the problems Microsoft's going to have

00:45:30 ◼   ► moving forward is that it's a he was a

00:45:32 ◼   ► huge advantage to Apple to say this is a

00:45:36 ◼   ► new thing this is ios and here are the

00:45:40 ◼   ► rules and it's all you know in fact they

00:45:43 ◼   ► started with literally here's the

00:45:44 ◼   ► weekend 2007 five years ago they said

00:45:48 ◼   ► here's your phone running iOS it has no

00:45:51 ◼   ► apps like the great like they started

00:45:54 ◼   ► from a point where third-party

00:45:56 ◼   ► developers were told you know you can

00:45:58 ◼   ► write a web page

00:45:59 ◼   ► ah yeah and so they grew from there

00:46:03 ◼   ► and so the app store with all of its

00:46:04 ◼   ► limitations was you know the proverbial

00:46:07 ◼   ► I class ice water and he'll compared to

00:46:11 ◼   ► not having any app third-party apps at

00:46:14 ◼   ► all whereas trying to impose these rules

00:46:17 ◼   ► on the Mac where developers were pretty

00:46:19 ◼   ► much free to invite if you could make it

00:46:23 ◼   ► and it runs can do it put it on your

00:46:26 ◼   ► website people downloaded and you know

00:46:28 ◼   ► whether it's an app that sticks to our

00:46:30 ◼   ► recommended guidelines or whether it's

00:46:32 ◼   ► you know some kind of Colonel Colonel

00:46:39 ◼   ► plugin that implements you know low

00:46:42 ◼   ► level stuff they could freeze the whole

00:46:44 ◼   ► machine you can install it if you want

00:46:46 ◼   ► around but that if you think they will

00:46:52 ◼   ► always allow that on the mac i do I

00:46:55 ◼   ► don't I really nice seriously do the

00:46:57 ◼   ► quiz i think the bigger question is how

00:46:59 ◼   ► long does the mac stay around i mean is

00:47:01 ◼   ► the mac still around 10 years from now I

00:47:03 ◼   ► you know 15 years from now that's the

00:47:05 ◼   ► bigger question but as long as there are

00:47:07 ◼   ► max I think that that stays I think that

00:47:10 ◼   ► I I did

00:47:12 ◼   ► I've talked to people at Apple about it

00:47:14 ◼   ► and you know you never know again you

00:47:16 ◼   ► can't

00:47:17 ◼   ► no it's not like they're going to

00:47:17 ◼   ► divulge if they really had a secret plan

00:47:19 ◼   ► to to take that away in mac OS x 10.9

00:47:24 ◼   ► Ocelot or whatever they're going to call

00:47:26 ◼   ► it that I'd not sound like they would

00:47:29 ◼   ► necessarily tell me even in confidence

00:47:31 ◼   ► but just the conversations I've had with

00:47:34 ◼   ► ppl makes me I i really believe it thats

00:47:36 ◼   ► you know and that's also why I don't

00:47:39 ◼   ► believe any kind of stories about iOS

00:47:41 ◼   ► and OS 10 merging you know that there's

00:47:44 ◼   ► gonna be 10 s that uh huh

00:47:47 ◼   ► I just don't you know they may be

00:47:49 ◼   ► similarities but to me it's fundamental

00:47:52 ◼   ► to the way it works so once you start

00:47:54 ◼   ► with something like a set of rules for a

00:47:56 ◼   ► game all it's almost like it's like this

00:47:58 ◼   ► changing the rules of the game like you

00:48:00 ◼   ► just can't change them that much if you

00:48:03 ◼   ► can't

00:48:04 ◼   ► yeah you can't go in now and say

00:48:06 ◼   ► baseball you can't be there is no more

00:48:08 ◼   ► left-handed batters because left it's a

00:48:10 ◼   ► too big of an advantage because there

00:48:11 ◼   ► they start four feet closer to first

00:48:14 ◼   ► base than right-handed batters so now

00:48:15 ◼   ► everybody has to bat from the right side

00:48:16 ◼   ► what you can't do that now it might make

00:48:18 ◼   ► some kind of logical sense but you know

00:48:21 ◼   ► you can't do it its 28 that's probably

00:48:28 ◼   ► bad example i guess but you know I could

00:48:31 ◼   ► see like doing that

00:48:32 ◼   ► yeah you know what i should say that

00:48:35 ◼   ► actually sounds like him but I I just

00:48:40 ◼   ► think though I think one of the reasons

00:48:41 ◼   ► that everybody's cool down about the the

00:48:43 ◼   ► iOS rules is that it's clearly worked

00:48:45 ◼   ► that it is proven to be wildly popular

00:48:48 ◼   ► and it's hard even for us even for the

00:48:52 ◼   ► type of geeks who like iOS and love

00:48:58 ◼   ► their iPads and and love their iphones

00:49:00 ◼   ► it's hard for us to and I know it's hard

00:49:05 ◼   ► for me to understand how regular people

00:49:08 ◼   ► see computers people who just that they

00:49:12 ◼   ► just really have very little

00:49:13 ◼   ► understanding of what the hell is

00:49:15 ◼   ► actually going on and I just think that

00:49:17 ◼   ► you just cannot there's no way to

00:49:18 ◼   ► overstate the relief that they see what

00:49:23 ◼   ► when they're using iPads and iPhones

00:49:25 ◼   ► where they feel like they can't screw

00:49:27 ◼   ► anything up there is no way to screw it

00:49:29 ◼   ► there's nothing you can do that is going

00:49:33 ◼   ► to render this thing in a broken just by

00:49:36 ◼   ► installing software clicking the wrong

00:49:38 ◼   ► button or something like that huh which

00:49:40 ◼   ► is you know and it a problem on the Mac

00:49:43 ◼   ► you know that you can buy stuff install

00:49:46 ◼   ► too much crap in your menu bar that's

00:49:48 ◼   ► always running and all of a sudden

00:49:49 ◼   ► safari slow

00:49:50 ◼   ► I i think it's a huge relief and it's

00:49:54 ◼   ► like a piece of mind and I think it's a

00:49:57 ◼   ► huge part of the ipads success in the

00:50:01 ◼   ► market like why people are buying iPads

00:50:04 ◼   ► and using them instead of using laptops

00:50:06 ◼   ► is that these rules are good for people

00:50:10 ◼   ► and it's not the point is not and this

00:50:12 ◼   ► you know I i do see the the Free

00:50:14 ◼   ► Software Foundation you know I see their

00:50:17 ◼   ► argument that you don't want all

00:50:18 ◼   ► computers to have this rule but they're

00:50:20 ◼   ► all computers don't have these rules

00:50:21 ◼   ► right it's just this huge job you know

00:50:24 ◼   ► there's this huge opportunity that Apple

00:50:27 ◼   ► was the first to take to make computers

00:50:29 ◼   ► that had these rules and it's not

00:50:31 ◼   ► supposed to be for everybody it's not

00:50:33 ◼   ► you know all computers shouldn't have

00:50:35 ◼   ► those rules but most I think should and

00:50:39 ◼   ► I think it's idea i just don't I can't

00:50:41 ◼   ► see how Microsoft should be disallowed

00:50:43 ◼   ► from following with windows or you know

00:50:47 ◼   ► and then again this is another one of

00:50:48 ◼   ► those things where the sty and I

00:50:51 ◼   ► personally always attributed to Ballmer

00:50:53 ◼   ► but that this idea that everything has

00:50:55 ◼   ► to be called windows it's got to have

00:50:57 ◼   ► windows a name something I that's right

00:51:00 ◼   ► I gotta think that's really holding them

00:51:01 ◼   ► back and on so many regards I mean the

00:51:04 ◼   ► names the names become increasingly

00:51:06 ◼   ► ridiculous just from you know the way

00:51:09 ◼   ► they sound because they keep putting

00:51:12 ◼   ► different things on the end of Windows

00:51:13 ◼   ► but also just just from like a branding

00:51:17 ◼   ► perspective I think people are sort of

00:51:19 ◼   ► tired of it and maybe that's just from a

00:51:22 ◼   ► mac user perspective but I it doesn't

00:51:26 ◼   ► mean having the xbox not named something

00:51:29 ◼   ► windows i think is a great advantage for

00:51:31 ◼   ► it

00:51:32 ◼   ► yeah absolutely and I think that xbox is

00:51:36 ◼   ► their best the best example and abet is

00:51:39 ◼   ► that it's the only that's the best

00:51:40 ◼   ► counter again it's the only thing that

00:51:42 ◼   ► we need to slap windows

00:51:43 ◼   ► every exactly and it's the best even if

00:51:45 ◼   ► an I presume again I've never I don't I

00:51:48 ◼   ► certainly haven't written an xbox game

00:51:49 ◼   ► but I i presume and I'd I think that

00:51:52 ◼   ► it's this is actually true that writing

00:51:54 ◼   ► games for the xbox is largely or at

00:51:58 ◼   ► least in many ways similar to writing

00:52:00 ◼   ► games for windows you know that if

00:52:03 ◼   ► you're good at writing you know like its

00:52:08 ◼   ► software type games you know quake and

00:52:11 ◼   ► those type of games for the pc on

00:52:14 ◼   ► windows that a lot of the techniques you

00:52:17 ◼   ► use and the code you use can be reused

00:52:18 ◼   ► on xbox you know that so in the same way

00:52:20 ◼   ► that iOS and OS 10 share these

00:52:23 ◼   ► fundamental technologies the xbox does

00:52:25 ◼   ► too but they just don't call it that

00:52:26 ◼   ► right and i do think that that really

00:52:30 ◼   ► hurts

00:52:31 ◼   ► I and I think it hurts them in this

00:52:32 ◼   ► argument you know and I see people who

00:52:34 ◼   ► are you know I see that there's a lot of

00:52:36 ◼   ► people supporting the Mozilla an

00:52:38 ◼   ► argument that you know that they

00:52:39 ◼   ► shouldn't be allowed to do this for for

00:52:41 ◼   ► Windows RT and again you know it does

00:52:45 ◼   ► kind of stink and you know it

00:52:47 ◼   ► there's trade-offs nobody's saying that

00:52:49 ◼   ► that these rules like in the app store

00:52:51 ◼   ► and way that they want to run Windows RT

00:52:53 ◼   ► that there aren't downsides to these

00:52:55 ◼   ► rules i think clearly the fact that macs

00:53:00 ◼   ► and pcs can run alternate browsers that

00:53:02 ◼   ► can be set as the default it you know

00:53:04 ◼   ► that there's been way more innovation in

00:53:06 ◼   ► the browser space because of firefox and

00:53:10 ◼   ► google chrome and all the WebKit type

00:53:13 ◼   ► stuff then there would have been

00:53:14 ◼   ► otherwise I you know and maybe somebody

00:53:17 ◼   ► else is going to come out with a browser

00:53:19 ◼   ► for mobile devices that iphone users are

00:53:22 ◼   ► going to be left out in the cold from

00:53:23 ◼   ► because they can't install it from the

00:53:25 ◼   ► app store it's possible that you know it

00:53:28 ◼   ► seems silly to think that WebKit mobile

00:53:31 ◼   ► web kit is always going to be the

00:53:32 ◼   ► preeminent browser engine right

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00:54:23 ◼   ► so you're with me on this that you think

00:54:26 ◼   ► that that that the windows RT the

00:54:30 ◼   ► restrictions on Windows RT are

00:54:32 ◼   ► reasonable if it's not

00:54:34 ◼   ► yeah I don't think yeah i mean i don't

00:54:35 ◼   ► think there's any way that you could

00:54:36 ◼   ► look at I mean you can't

00:54:38 ◼   ► it seems like if you look at the letter

00:54:40 ◼   ► of the agreement in and of itself that

00:54:42 ◼   ► it's clear that it's focused on until

00:54:45 ◼   ► based hardware and and then from a

00:54:48 ◼   ► purely rational aspect of looking at the

00:54:51 ◼   ► market they have no they have no

00:54:53 ◼   ► monopoly over the tablet market so you

00:54:56 ◼   ► know it the that agreement does not

00:54:59 ◼   ► really apply

00:55:00 ◼   ► yeah and it sort of seems like i mean

00:55:04 ◼   ► the the guy from Mozilla who was you

00:55:08 ◼   ► know he's a lawyer so he's looking at it

00:55:10 ◼   ► from a legal perspective and he seemed

00:55:12 ◼   ► to be saying I mean did seem like you

00:55:14 ◼   ► know they might be taking action

00:55:16 ◼   ► they're trying to take action but he

00:55:17 ◼   ► also seemed to be stripped insinuating

00:55:19 ◼   ► that it was against the the spirit of

00:55:21 ◼   ► the law of the of the settlement which

00:55:26 ◼   ► you know I mean maybe you can make that

00:55:27 ◼   ► the case but you know companies aren't

00:55:31 ◼   ► bound by the spirit of a settlement

00:55:33 ◼   ► early found by down by the law and you

00:55:38 ◼   ► can't really follow them i mean Apple

00:55:40 ◼   ► would do the same thing right I

00:55:44 ◼   ► completely agree and i do but i don't

00:55:46 ◼   ► really fascinating to see how it plays

00:55:48 ◼   ► out and i really do think

00:55:49 ◼   ► and I it's you know that the Shakespeare

00:55:52 ◼   ► quote rose by any other name would smell

00:55:54 ◼   ► just as what nice

00:55:57 ◼   ► whatever the hell he says we and what

00:55:59 ◼   ► the hell Shakespeare you can rewrite the

00:56:01 ◼   ► guy yeah I I really think it would make

00:56:05 ◼   ► a difference if it were called Metro OS

00:56:08 ◼   ► just you know I always that's my idea my

00:56:11 ◼   ► mind free consultation to them is that

00:56:13 ◼   ► they should call windows forearm metro

00:56:15 ◼   ► OS or just metro just say this is metro

00:56:18 ◼   ► and you can get it on your phones you

00:56:20 ◼   ► get it on your tablet you can even get

00:56:21 ◼   ► it on a laptop and if it's under the

00:56:27 ◼   ► hood all standard the windows kernel and

00:56:29 ◼   ► all of this code that's exactly the same

00:56:31 ◼   ► as you know windows more power to them

00:56:35 ◼   ► that's an engineering win we're not

00:56:37 ◼   ► duplicating effort but you don't brand

00:56:39 ◼   ► and i'm telling you if if they did that

00:56:40 ◼   ► I think that their argument would have

00:56:42 ◼   ► carry a lot less weight that's what it's

00:56:45 ◼   ► just another reason why i think that the

00:56:46 ◼   ► argument doesn't carry ways if they just

00:56:48 ◼   ► change the name of the thing it seems

00:56:49 ◼   ► like all the logic doesn't apply in a

00:56:51 ◼   ► right

00:56:52 ◼   ► how can I have a monopoly with an

00:56:53 ◼   ► operating system that isn't even out yet

00:56:55 ◼   ► for devices it is a little it is a

00:56:58 ◼   ► little weird i mean i-i any i would

00:57:00 ◼   ► probably agree on this too but I mean

00:57:02 ◼   ► the fact that they still have that the

00:57:03 ◼   ► full desktop experience and that they

00:57:07 ◼   ► will ship a full version of office for

00:57:12 ◼   ► Windows RT and and whatever other

00:57:16 ◼   ► applications that Microsoft deems worthy

00:57:18 ◼   ► of getting a pass i'm at that and having

00:57:22 ◼   ► used windows 8 it's the whole switching

00:57:26 ◼   ► back and forth between metro and the

00:57:29 ◼   ► traditional Windows desktop is a jarring

00:57:32 ◼   ► experience and I'd that I don't

00:57:35 ◼   ► understand mean and I think you've

00:57:37 ◼   ► posted this before to go but just just

00:57:40 ◼   ► the packet everybody should have

00:57:42 ◼   ► jettisoned the Windows desktop right on

00:57:45 ◼   ► arm all right that would have made a lot

00:57:47 ◼   ► more sense right and I just feel it's

00:57:49 ◼   ► just another one of those things where

00:57:50 ◼   ► there's it there's trade-offs you know

00:57:52 ◼   ► like and everybody knows everybody is at

00:57:54 ◼   ► least halfway Vicki knows that it can be

00:57:56 ◼   ► frustrating on the iphone especially on

00:58:00 ◼   ► the ipad i think it's more of a deal on

00:58:01 ◼   ► the IP

00:58:02 ◼   ► that because you can work on the ipad

00:58:04 ◼   ► and sometimes you just feel like I wish

00:58:07 ◼   ► I could just get a list of all the files

00:58:08 ◼   ► on this thing just show me a list of all

00:58:11 ◼   ► these files and let me just drag take

00:58:13 ◼   ► this one and say I want to open this one

00:58:15 ◼   ► in that app or I want to take this file

00:58:18 ◼   ► and send it to my mac at home and

00:58:21 ◼   ► sometimes the fact that you that there

00:58:23 ◼   ► is no the equivalent of a finder whether

00:58:26 ◼   ► it looked like the finder or not but

00:58:27 ◼   ► there's no app that's like that it is

00:58:29 ◼   ► frustrating and but there are there's a

00:58:32 ◼   ► simplicity window that if it isn't even

00:58:34 ◼   ► there then every app has to kind of

00:58:38 ◼   ► encapsulate its data in a simpler way

00:58:42 ◼   ► like the fact that it's not there and

00:58:44 ◼   ► that developers can't say we'll just go

00:58:46 ◼   ► to Explorer and you know change the file

00:58:48 ◼   ► extension in and it should fix itself

00:58:50 ◼   ► that if you don't even have the option

00:58:52 ◼   ► of telling your users that you've got to

00:58:53 ◼   ► you've got to do the work to present the

00:58:56 ◼   ► data in a simpler way i do think that

00:59:00 ◼   ► it's going to be I think of it just

00:59:03 ◼   ► seems crazy that you can get this

00:59:04 ◼   ► brand-new tablet with this fancy

00:59:06 ◼   ► lovely-looking whether it's you know

00:59:09 ◼   ► something you really want to use all the

00:59:12 ◼   ► time I think it's up up for up for

00:59:15 ◼   ► debate metro but it looks nice and it

00:59:17 ◼   ► certainly looks new and it certainly

00:59:19 ◼   ► doesn't look like anything windows ever

00:59:20 ◼   ► done before and then all of a sudden you

00:59:22 ◼   ► hit the explore button then you're in

00:59:24 ◼   ► you know yeah like windows seven all

00:59:26 ◼   ► over again

00:59:27 ◼   ► yeah which I said I sort of take that as

00:59:30 ◼   ► a compliment to us that we all seem to

00:59:34 ◼   ► like it when lots of mac users have said

00:59:36 ◼   ► that they liked the with the Metro

00:59:38 ◼   ► interface and so you know there we

00:59:42 ◼   ► weren't we were just need your Apple

00:59:44 ◼   ► apologist for all those years where we

00:59:46 ◼   ► said we hated windows we really it went

00:59:48 ◼   ► yeah I totally did that totally agree

00:59:51 ◼   ► with that yeah I just like nice things

00:59:54 ◼   ► I've always said I just like nice things

00:59:56 ◼   ► and it just happens to be that a lot of

00:59:59 ◼   ► these companies never

00:59:59 ◼   ► these companies never

01:00:00 ◼   ► for make nice things yeah what else we

01:00:03 ◼   ► got here the wall street journal

01:00:04 ◼   ► confirmed today or that they did they

01:00:06 ◼   ► left themselves some wiggle room but

01:00:08 ◼   ► they said that Apple is going to switch

01:00:10 ◼   ► 24 inch iphone displays the rain luck

01:00:12 ◼   ► and juro osawa reporting for the wall

01:00:15 ◼   ► street journal as the new iphone that

01:00:18 ◼   ► Apple incorporated is expected to unveil

01:00:20 ◼   ► this year is likely to have a larger

01:00:23 ◼   ► display than its current models have

01:00:25 ◼   ► with the company ordering bigger screens

01:00:27 ◼   ► from occasion suppliers people familiar

01:00:29 ◼   ► with the matter said yeah you and I if

01:00:33 ◼   ► we ever form a band we were talking

01:00:35 ◼   ► before the show that maybe doing a song

01:00:37 ◼   ► I don't know I maybe we'll wait till

01:00:40 ◼   ► another episode but if we do I think

01:00:43 ◼   ► maybe a name for our band people

01:00:44 ◼   ► familiar with the matter

01:00:46 ◼   ► oh yeah now that's a good name for a

01:00:48 ◼   ► band and her band of it by people who do

01:00:52 ◼   ► maybe media criticism all the songs will

01:00:57 ◼   ► be about media criticism I feel like are

01:01:00 ◼   ► you looking at the the one that has the

01:01:02 ◼   ► picture the guy holding the white iphone

01:01:04 ◼   ► i think something that was what it was

01:01:05 ◼   ► yeah he's only got four fingers you know

01:01:07 ◼   ► I didn't see that on that trip huh

01:01:10 ◼   ► it's got a thumb and three fingers I

01:01:15 ◼   ► think he's one of the simpson kids you

01:01:18 ◼   ► know I had a conversation with Jonas

01:01:19 ◼   ► about that about why it why do so many

01:01:21 ◼   ► cartoon characters only have three

01:01:24 ◼   ► anchors and a thought

01:01:25 ◼   ► yeah he did not buy my explanation that

01:01:28 ◼   ► it's easier to draw and and looks better

01:01:31 ◼   ► over here is what helped Mike what did

01:01:34 ◼   ► he have an alternate explanation

01:01:36 ◼   ► no he thinks I'm hiding the truth from

01:01:39 ◼   ► you know that he's not buying it huh

01:01:44 ◼   ► there was an episode i believe there was

01:01:46 ◼   ► an episode where the Simpsons where

01:01:48 ◼   ► Homer imagined what his kids would look

01:01:51 ◼   ► like if they were regular were actual

01:01:54 ◼   ► and he said something about

01:01:56 ◼   ► five-fingered freaks and they showed us

01:01:58 ◼   ► showed a picture of them drawing more

01:02:00 ◼   ► more normal picking any movie I believe

01:02:03 ◼   ► he cried out in terror

01:02:05 ◼   ► I do see this picture of the guy holding

01:02:07 ◼   ► the white iphone

01:02:09 ◼   ► yeah which is the normal you know that's

01:02:11 ◼   ► the way right that he's got his indigo

01:02:13 ◼   ► behind ya the index fingers just but

01:02:16 ◼   ► it's completely yeah but it you know it

01:02:18 ◼   ► doesn't look like he's got four fingers

01:02:19 ◼   ► like maybe he was got caught shoplifting

01:02:24 ◼   ► singapore something which would be a

01:02:27 ◼   ► half but that would suck to it when its

01:02:32 ◼   ► stock if they if if you got caught

01:02:34 ◼   ► shoplifting and one of these countries

01:02:35 ◼   ► when you're going to lose your finger

01:02:36 ◼   ► and they go right for the index finger

01:02:38 ◼   ► sure that the pinky I would be terrible

01:02:41 ◼   ► and then that you see if you gripe I bet

01:02:43 ◼   ► they're like you're lucky we didn't take

01:02:44 ◼   ► the thumb

01:02:45 ◼   ► exactly oh man can you imagine taking

01:02:48 ◼   ► the taking the thumb that's what am I

01:02:50 ◼   ► know where that's what my were sad that

01:02:52 ◼   ► is

01:02:52 ◼   ► I mean because then you just you're not

01:02:55 ◼   ► even human anymore you remember a couple

01:02:56 ◼   ► months ago when I had that goofy family

01:02:59 ◼   ► every that's friend back at that

01:03:01 ◼   ► happened I was I had that that cast or

01:03:04 ◼   ► brace on all the way up to my elbow but

01:03:05 ◼   ► I still had my thumb and it was it was

01:03:10 ◼   ► incredibly frustrating to have my whole

01:03:12 ◼   ► left hand in this thing and be done able

01:03:15 ◼   ► to use any of my fingers for a couple of

01:03:17 ◼   ► weeks but the fact that I still had the

01:03:19 ◼   ► thumb was surprisingly useful

01:03:21 ◼   ► surprisingly useful you know identified

01:03:25 ◼   ► that I just remember thinking if I

01:03:27 ◼   ► didn't have that thumb and I would be it

01:03:28 ◼   ► i mean i could it was hard but if I had

01:03:31 ◼   ► something in my right hand I could with

01:03:33 ◼   ► that thumb I could eventually open a

01:03:35 ◼   ► door knob yeah yeah I noticed also

01:03:40 ◼   ► talked about how hard it is for my dog

01:03:41 ◼   ► and the dog does not have thumbs and

01:03:43 ◼   ► just the way he is that the way he has

01:03:46 ◼   ► to hold something he's chewing on true

01:03:49 ◼   ► that's no life and that's no way to live

01:03:52 ◼   ► and we like to think that we're so smart

01:03:56 ◼   ► in that we've you know we've got these

01:04:00 ◼   ► great minds that have separated us from

01:04:02 ◼   ► the rest of the animal kingdom but

01:04:03 ◼   ► really all we've got a good thumbs right

01:04:05 ◼   ► if you had thumbs you replace me in all

01:04:07 ◼   ► right okay yeah i would imagine if the

01:04:10 ◼   ► Dolphins had thumbs up always equally

01:04:13 ◼   ► look man we have to be so screwed

01:04:16 ◼   ► we're already not the smartest species

01:04:18 ◼   ► on the planet right I they would just be

01:04:21 ◼   ► able to better prove it right or

01:04:23 ◼   ► elephants imagine of elephants had

01:04:24 ◼   ► thumbs

01:04:25 ◼   ► yeah they could really kick some ass

01:04:27 ◼   ► they rang it sounds like there's a mean

01:04:32 ◼   ► this is a stupid story but bringing

01:04:36 ◼   ► things using iPads I saw that where I

01:04:38 ◼   ► don't make it though I saw it were like

01:04:40 ◼   ► what I didn't read it either but like

01:04:42 ◼   ► one step away from Planet of the Apes

01:04:43 ◼   ► you get those rankings iPads and were

01:04:47 ◼   ► you know right now they're like

01:04:49 ◼   ► communicating and stuff right there

01:04:50 ◼   ► making plans and good they're going to

01:04:52 ◼   ► get on facebook

01:04:53 ◼   ► we're gonna start talking to each other

01:04:55 ◼   ► and then and then the next thing you

01:04:59 ◼   ► know you're running through the brush

01:05:01 ◼   ► with Charlton Heston this for inside fun

01:05:04 ◼   ► thing I've talked about this before and

01:05:06 ◼   ► I've heard whispers about it i still

01:05:07 ◼   ► don't know that it's certain nobody ever

01:05:09 ◼   ► Apple it and people used to tell me

01:05:11 ◼   ► things that apple now they did they

01:05:12 ◼   ► don't tell me anymore i don't think that

01:05:13 ◼   ► i think they've got way more secretive

01:05:16 ◼   ► than before and i have i've been saying

01:05:19 ◼   ► this to people I've had a lot of people

01:05:20 ◼   ► ask me after Steve Jobs died you think

01:05:22 ◼   ► apple is going to maybe open up a little

01:05:24 ◼   ► bit more

01:05:24 ◼   ► I honestly I'd for everything I've

01:05:26 ◼   ► observed over the last nine months or

01:05:28 ◼   ► maybe even call it a year because i

01:05:30 ◼   ► think clearly job started winding down

01:05:32 ◼   ► is his management before he actually

01:05:35 ◼   ► retired I i think they've gotten only

01:05:38 ◼   ► only on more secretive in my experience

01:05:41 ◼   ► um but then I've heard the thing i've

01:05:45 ◼   ► heard is that if they go to a 4-inch

01:05:47 ◼   ► it's going to stay the same with and

01:05:49 ◼   ► they're just going to make it taller and

01:05:51 ◼   ► it's going to have the same pixel

01:05:52 ◼   ► density in other words the same number

01:05:54 ◼   ► of pixels print she's going to they're

01:05:55 ◼   ► going to add more pixels make a more

01:05:59 ◼   ► like a like a wider screen display or a

01:06:02 ◼   ► taller screen display whatever you want

01:06:03 ◼   ► to call it and that you know what about

01:06:07 ◼   ► developers developers you know assume

01:06:09 ◼   ► that this exact pixel count but that

01:06:11 ◼   ► there already are things like when

01:06:13 ◼   ► you're on a phone call and it you have

01:06:15 ◼   ► like a double-height status bar

01:06:17 ◼   ► nah that right you're already supposed

01:06:20 ◼   ► to make your appt a little bit flexible

01:06:23 ◼   ► in that dimension you know that

01:06:26 ◼   ► apparently some apps don't do that as

01:06:28 ◼   ► well as others they

01:06:29 ◼   ► shrink they just let that green

01:06:31 ◼   ► double-side statusbar take up space but

01:06:37 ◼   ► i think that that's you know that's the

01:06:39 ◼   ► the answer because i don't think the

01:06:41 ◼   ► other thing is I don't think that they

01:06:43 ◼   ► want to make a physically bigger fun

01:06:45 ◼   ► like to me what's ridiculous with the

01:06:47 ◼   ► android hope not

01:06:49 ◼   ► giant phones is not the fact that the

01:06:51 ◼   ► screen is bigger bigger screen is better

01:06:53 ◼   ► in general for a phone but not the

01:06:56 ◼   ► bigger devices are worse right to me

01:06:59 ◼   ► thats the trade-off involved bigger

01:07:01 ◼   ► screen

01:07:02 ◼   ► yes terrific bigger device heavier takes

01:07:05 ◼   ► up more space in your pocket harder to

01:07:06 ◼   ► hold in one hand I not good so I you

01:07:10 ◼   ► know

01:07:10 ◼   ► yeah why not if they can keep the device

01:07:13 ◼   ► the same size and devote more of the

01:07:15 ◼   ► front face to the screen

01:07:18 ◼   ► why not I because I'm holding my phone

01:07:22 ◼   ► in my hand right now and I i can

01:07:25 ◼   ► comfortably well i can not completely

01:07:27 ◼   ► comfortably but I can touch all four

01:07:29 ◼   ► corners with my thumb if it gets well

01:07:32 ◼   ► maybe if it gets taller actually think

01:07:34 ◼   ► right especially if you think that upper

01:07:37 ◼   ► corner me and even that one but still

01:07:38 ◼   ► pretty close and if you did if it were a

01:07:40 ◼   ► half of it were at the top half the

01:07:42 ◼   ► extra pixels are at the top and half her

01:07:43 ◼   ► at the bottom I to me i don't think it

01:07:47 ◼   ► really would make that big of a

01:07:49 ◼   ► difference it might be a little bit

01:07:50 ◼   ► harder to get there in the corner but I

01:07:52 ◼   ► mean I think Apple clearly you know is

01:07:54 ◼   ► aware of that everybody knows that they

01:07:56 ◼   ► take these phones out i'm sure if you

01:07:57 ◼   ► went to any beer garden in the san jose

01:08:01 ◼   ► area greater cupertino area you can see

01:08:03 ◼   ► dozens of these phones being used

01:08:05 ◼   ► recklessly and left behind on some

01:08:09 ◼   ► barstools any night of the week

01:08:10 ◼   ► I mean they famously test these things

01:08:12 ◼   ► you know you're not going to make it so

01:08:14 ◼   ► big that you can't get that it's harder

01:08:16 ◼   ► to get the corner to corner they found a

01:08:18 ◼   ► bet they have a case that makes it look

01:08:19 ◼   ► like a galaxy tab or galaxy note I with

01:08:26 ◼   ► a stylus on this so i think it's totally

01:08:28 ◼   ► believable what I would not believe

01:08:29 ◼   ► would be if if these reports are coming

01:08:31 ◼   ► out saying that Apple is going to make a

01:08:33 ◼   ► phone that is a lot bigger physically

01:08:35 ◼   ► bigger nah you know everything I've

01:08:39 ◼   ► heard is that if they go to a bigger

01:08:40 ◼   ► screen

01:08:41 ◼   ► it's bigger than that one dimension same

01:08:43 ◼   ► physical size dollars right and I've

01:08:45 ◼   ► also talked about this that the way that

01:08:47 ◼   ► they make these screens is they make I'm

01:08:51 ◼   ► and I'm you know I could be talking out

01:08:53 ◼   ► of my ass here but my understanding is

01:08:55 ◼   ► away LCD screens are made is that they

01:08:57 ◼   ► make big big sheets of these things and

01:09:00 ◼   ► they find sect they identify sections

01:09:02 ◼   ► that are known you know that don't have

01:09:03 ◼   ► dead pixels and then they come cut them

01:09:07 ◼   ► to size so it's like they don't like

01:09:09 ◼   ► imagine a big sheet of paper and then

01:09:11 ◼   ► you just a hot little three-and-a-half

01:09:13 ◼   ► inch rectangles out of it and boom

01:09:15 ◼   ► here's an iphone screen here is an

01:09:16 ◼   ► iphone screen so if they the way that

01:09:19 ◼   ► they would make these screens as they

01:09:20 ◼   ► would be using the exact same sheets as

01:09:22 ◼   ► the current iphone retina display and

01:09:25 ◼   ► they would just be cutting slightly

01:09:26 ◼   ► taller rectangles out of them and if you

01:09:30 ◼   ► think of that you know that sounds crazy

01:09:32 ◼   ► that sounds crazy I mean you're probably

01:09:35 ◼   ► right i mean but because i know nothing

01:09:37 ◼   ► about that but that just sounds like

01:09:38 ◼   ► you're making taffy sort I think it sort

01:09:40 ◼   ► of is

01:09:41 ◼   ► and and so from an economies of scale

01:09:43 ◼   ► perspective and this sort of the tim

01:09:46 ◼   ► cook uh you don't have to retool and

01:09:49 ◼   ► exactly is it you wait you wait another

01:09:51 ◼   ► nanosecond as the things coming through

01:09:53 ◼   ► in the crate from a Tim Cook operational

01:09:56 ◼   ► genius perspective it makes a lot of

01:09:58 ◼   ► sense right and that's also the argument

01:10:02 ◼   ► behind the exact same argument behind

01:10:05 ◼   ► the rumored 7.82 568 inch iPad you know

01:10:12 ◼   ► this always it's just the other way

01:10:14 ◼   ► well it would be the the if you have if

01:10:20 ◼   ► you took a the the iphone 3gs screen the

01:10:24 ◼   ► classic pre retina iphone LCD and you

01:10:30 ◼   ► took a that exact LCD but imagine it as

01:10:33 ◼   ► a big sheet the size of a table and you

01:10:36 ◼   ► cut a 1024 x 768 pixel rectangle out of

01:10:40 ◼   ► it comes out to be exactly 7.82 inches

01:10:44 ◼   ► or something like that which is exactly

01:10:48 ◼   ► the rumored size of the smaller ipod so

01:10:51 ◼   ► in other words they these LCD screens

01:10:53 ◼   ► that Apple has been

01:10:54 ◼   ► producing ever since the first iphone

01:10:57 ◼   ► because that's you know the 3gs has the

01:10:59 ◼   ► exact same LCD displays the original

01:11:02 ◼   ► iphone alright that they're still making

01:11:04 ◼   ► today you know and still is apparently a

01:11:07 ◼   ► pretty popular phone is like the third

01:11:09 ◼   ► most popular phone at AT&T they don't

01:11:12 ◼   ► have to make a new display for and a

01:11:14 ◼   ► smaller ipad they just have to cut

01:11:16 ◼   ► bigger size out of the displays that are

01:11:18 ◼   ► already making right and presumably that

01:11:22 ◼   ► would be you know by Apple's standard

01:11:24 ◼   ► super cheap because they've got you know

01:11:26 ◼   ► it's old technology you know it's

01:11:28 ◼   ► pre-read meds right right

01:11:31 ◼   ► never tried one of these super-sized

01:11:34 ◼   ► phones now iíve I've got the you've got

01:11:39 ◼   ► it you've got a couple of what you've

01:11:41 ◼   ► got a windows mi6 lumia I got the loop

01:11:45 ◼   ► and I have the lumiere you know you have

01:11:46 ◼   ► a looming have the Lumia 800 though not

01:11:48 ◼   ► the 911 is on sale but it's i love it i

01:11:51 ◼   ► like it better and I've I've I've tried

01:11:54 ◼   ► the 900 I i think the 800 is better i

01:11:58 ◼   ► like what i really do because it's more

01:11:59 ◼   ► comfortable in my hand

01:12:01 ◼   ► it's it is very very roughly it is

01:12:05 ◼   ► iphone sized more or less but like this

01:12:08 ◼   ► rumored for enjoy iphone it's got a 3.7

01:12:11 ◼   ► inch screen it's a good cause it's 69 I

01:12:15 ◼   ► so it's taller

01:12:16 ◼   ► it's got to be no more of the front a

01:12:18 ◼   ► little bit more of the front face is

01:12:19 ◼   ► devoted to the screen then on the iphone

01:12:21 ◼   ► and i find that nothing but pleasing but

01:12:24 ◼   ► it fits in my hand like the iphone and

01:12:27 ◼   ► and you know so it's a little bit bigger

01:12:30 ◼   ► it's like it's not quite four inches

01:12:33 ◼   ► it's like 3.75 inches diagonal but I

01:12:35 ◼   ► don't have any trouble going corner to

01:12:36 ◼   ► corner with my thumb's just feels great

01:12:39 ◼   ► my hand but the the Galaxy Nexus the top

01:12:44 ◼   ► of the line android phone which is I

01:12:45 ◼   ► think I swear I'm not making this up i

01:12:47 ◼   ► think it's like a four point eight inch

01:12:49 ◼   ► display

01:12:50 ◼   ► ah it's it's just too big it's too big

01:12:55 ◼   ► to use with one hand it really is it is

01:12:57 ◼   ► it's nice to use with two hands it you

01:12:59 ◼   ► know and and I'm not surprised and I'll

01:13:03 ◼   ► i think i've said this before the way

01:13:05 ◼   ► that android is meant to work where

01:13:07 ◼   ► they're supposed to be a variety

01:13:08 ◼   ► devices not surprised at all that some

01:13:12 ◼   ► people would prefer a sort of as big as

01:13:15 ◼   ► a phone could get without being laughed

01:13:17 ◼   ► at phone right I'm not surprised at all

01:13:20 ◼   ► that there's a lot of I'm not either and

01:13:22 ◼   ► that's the whole advantage of the that

01:13:24 ◼   ► that whole model that you can get this

01:13:26 ◼   ► sort of variety that you're never going

01:13:27 ◼   ► to get from apple because Apple is

01:13:30 ◼   ► insane about these economies of scale

01:13:32 ◼   ► and they're not going to make a fuck you

01:13:34 ◼   ► know 222 new phones that are only

01:13:37 ◼   ► slightly different you know in size are

01:13:39 ◼   ► not going to do it

01:13:40 ◼   ► I'm still shocked that there are 4000

01:13:44 ◼   ► distinct android roms I mean that just

01:13:48 ◼   ► seems like a crazy number this is a from

01:13:52 ◼   ► arstechnica Casey Jones to johnston

01:13:56 ◼   ► android fragmentation one developer

01:13:58 ◼   ► encounter street 3997 devices just I i

01:14:08 ◼   ► mean i have no idea how you mean I saw

01:14:13 ◼   ► how that happens you see their story the

01:14:15 ◼   ► other day about the game developer who

01:14:17 ◼   ► took a picture of their testing room and

01:14:20 ◼   ► they have all their android phones out

01:14:21 ◼   ► on one table wasn't 4,000 phones but

01:14:24 ◼   ► they had like a table with ya a hundred

01:14:25 ◼   ► android phones off yeah yeah and 3,000

01:14:32 ◼   ► of them were from Samsung I wonder you

01:14:34 ◼   ► know just to play devil's ack just to

01:14:37 ◼   ► play devil's advocate for a second you

01:14:39 ◼   ► know it is it fair to say that it did

01:14:42 ◼   ► say that there's 4,000 phones you have

01:14:44 ◼   ► to support and how is that different

01:14:45 ◼   ► than with your windows developer and the

01:14:48 ◼   ► number of pcs that are out there i mean

01:14:50 ◼   ► it's probably almost infinite the number

01:14:54 ◼   ► of different pcs yeah but on the other

01:14:58 ◼   ► hand I don't see windows developers did

01:15:02 ◼   ► must be some some other differences that

01:15:05 ◼   ► must be harder it must be different with

01:15:07 ◼   ► mobile because you don't see windows you

01:15:08 ◼   ► help her say our new games too many

01:15:11 ◼   ► devices right well they don't have like

01:15:13 ◼   ► a list our game runs on the HP pavilion

01:15:15 ◼   ► blah blah blah

01:15:16 ◼   ► the samsung well for years some sound

01:15:19 ◼   ► cards have always been a big yeah issue

01:15:21 ◼   ► and

01:15:21 ◼   ► videocards I mean those two things being

01:15:23 ◼   ► really for game development it is a pain

01:15:25 ◼   ► in the ass and they have to you know

01:15:27 ◼   ► they have to be really careful about

01:15:28 ◼   ► what they do and try and hit the top

01:15:30 ◼   ► that's you know how call that probably

01:15:34 ◼   ► exactly it is that android is back in

01:15:36 ◼   ► the pre microsoft sort of put the hammer

01:15:40 ◼   ► down and sort of said look enough of

01:15:42 ◼   ► this nonsense with sound cards and stuff

01:15:44 ◼   ► like that if you want if you want to run

01:15:46 ◼   ► the new version of windows you've got to

01:15:47 ◼   ► have this that you know all of these

01:15:50 ◼   ► people doesn't seem google doesn't have

01:15:51 ◼   ► that lever right I think that's the

01:15:53 ◼   ► difference is that Microsoft cleaned up

01:15:56 ◼   ► I mean as fragmented is the pc market

01:15:58 ◼   ► can be at a certain point microsoft said

01:16:01 ◼   ► look here's the baseline and it covered

01:16:03 ◼   ► everything

01:16:05 ◼   ► it covered everything from the processor

01:16:07 ◼   ► to the video to the sound card and you

01:16:09 ◼   ► can use whatever you want but it

01:16:11 ◼   ► these are the minimum requirements and

01:16:12 ◼   ► if you don't meet all these minimum

01:16:13 ◼   ► requirements you don't get windows and

01:16:15 ◼   ► if you don't have windows good luck

01:16:17 ◼   ► selling your pc right huh

01:16:19 ◼   ► and it really did help and I think

01:16:20 ◼   ► that's exactly where android is sort of

01:16:23 ◼   ► back in the you've got to have a certain

01:16:24 ◼   ► certain sound card and you've got to be

01:16:27 ◼   ► able to run opengl 4.1 you know a good

01:16:30 ◼   ► luck with your about typical person

01:16:32 ◼   ► knowing whether their android phone is

01:16:35 ◼   ► capable of the newest version of OpenGL

01:16:37 ◼   ► this map of the map of all the different

01:16:41 ◼   ► device types that looks like a resident

01:16:43 ◼   ► mandal brought yeah it's just like it

01:16:47 ◼   ► because it has that the major ones over

01:16:49 ◼   ► the left and it could get that the size

01:16:51 ◼   ► is a proportional size for each square

01:16:53 ◼   ► is that there is the the number of

01:16:55 ◼   ► devices out there and this gets smaller

01:16:58 ◼   ► and smaller and smaller smaller it's

01:16:59 ◼   ► like it's like it's a fractal this is

01:17:02 ◼   ► crazy

01:17:08 ◼   ► things we don't have all developers

01:17:11 ◼   ► don't worry about now what else is going

01:17:16 ◼   ► on

01:17:16 ◼   ► sometimes I wanted to talk to you about

01:17:18 ◼   ► about this ashton kutcher dress like

01:17:22 ◼   ► steve jobs now

01:17:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think I really don't care i

01:17:27 ◼   ► really i have no hopes or expectations

01:17:30 ◼   ► for either of these two movies and I

01:17:33 ◼   ► mean just I have people seem to get why

01:17:37 ◼   ► that Ashton Kutcher and like and then

01:17:40 ◼   ► excited about Sorkin writing the other

01:17:44 ◼   ► one and I just I really do not care

01:17:47 ◼   ► alright I think I'm with you on that I

01:17:48 ◼   ► I'm i don't care i would be great i hope

01:17:51 ◼   ► both movies are good

01:17:52 ◼   ► I I hope they're great i hope i hope

01:17:54 ◼   ► every movie that's ever made is great

01:17:55 ◼   ► but it's not gonna happen but here's the

01:17:57 ◼   ► thing and I mentioned this in my wife

01:18:00 ◼   ► pointed out and I'd sort of thought

01:18:01 ◼   ► about my wife really called it out is

01:18:04 ◼   ► what the hell is he doing dressed as

01:18:06 ◼   ► Steve Jobs out getting coffee like it is

01:18:08 ◼   ► he was he on his way to the set do

01:18:11 ◼   ► actors typically oh I assumed i ii III

01:18:14 ◼   ► assumed that it will I assume that was

01:18:16 ◼   ► part of it was photographed like coming

01:18:18 ◼   ► out of a starbucks right

01:18:20 ◼   ► he always ok he's got like a like a cup

01:18:22 ◼   ► of coffee I guys coffee in his hand and

01:18:24 ◼   ► he's dressed like still looks like he's

01:18:25 ◼   ► trying to walk like steve jobs too but

01:18:28 ◼   ► he's got like young Steve Jobs Herot

01:18:31 ◼   ► yeah and then a an old Steve Jobs is

01:18:35 ◼   ► outfit on

01:18:36 ◼   ► yeah like jobs when he had a thick head

01:18:39 ◼   ► full of hair never wore that outfit my

01:18:43 ◼   ► knowledge that the black turtleneck and

01:18:45 ◼   ► jeans and new balance thing was a like

01:18:48 ◼   ► 1997 was spotted as he made his way to

01:18:51 ◼   ► the set of the late Apple CEOs biopic so

01:18:56 ◼   ► yeah he's got like a nice home I thought

01:18:58 ◼   ► I see my thought is that maybe he's

01:19:00 ◼   ► doing like some kind of method actor

01:19:02 ◼   ► right now if he wants to be Steve John

01:19:06 ◼   ► screens gotta be him all the time is

01:19:08 ◼   ► good and that maybe he's not in costume

01:19:12 ◼   ► he's that's just what he's wearing in

01:19:14 ◼   ► his daily life now to to stay in that

01:19:16 ◼   ► Steve Jobs mindset and then he shows

01:19:19 ◼   ► firing a person every day right like

01:19:21 ◼   ► he shows up and then to get the costume

01:19:23 ◼   ► he's playing Steve Jobs circle like 1982

01:19:25 ◼   ► and he's putting on like a plaid shirt

01:19:28 ◼   ► and and somebody's Jordache jeans or

01:19:30 ◼   ► whatever the hell jobs where back then

01:19:32 ◼   ► and that he's just doing this and and

01:19:34 ◼   ► amy was like ugh I mean you really i

01:19:37 ◼   ► mean yeah i actually quicker method

01:19:38 ◼   ► actor he's like the next Bob dinner on

01:19:40 ◼   ► like I'm not saying it's good acting

01:19:41 ◼   ► advice i'm saying it seems to me like

01:19:43 ◼   ► the sort of crazy idea ashton kutcher

01:19:45 ◼   ► would get his hair about how he needs to

01:19:47 ◼   ► be right i'm not saying that this is how

01:19:50 ◼   ► good actor needs to do it

01:19:52 ◼   ► yeah you know i don't i don't think he

01:19:55 ◼   ► read it read it in a book somewhere

01:19:57 ◼   ► right i don't and an in-flight magazine

01:20:00 ◼   ► I don't think Robert Downey jr. had to

01:20:01 ◼   ► you know where the Iron Man suit out to

01:20:03 ◼   ► get coffee just to get in the donuts you

01:20:06 ◼   ► order to get diets that they're like

01:20:08 ◼   ► just roll just roll with it roll roll

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