The Talk Show

1: What If the Dolphins Had Thumbs, with John Moltz


00:00:00   so John mother's day there's no better

00:00:02   way to spend Mother's Day than watching

00:00:04   baseball games on TV I was we really

00:00:08   were really going to start off with

00:00:09   baseball

00:00:09   well I i just have to because it was a

00:00:14   day game Yankees are playing and famed

00:00:17   Yankees superstar Andy Pettit after a

00:00:19   year in retirement is back on the mound

00:00:22   for the first time since since 2010 and

00:00:26   pitching in Yankee Stadium and that TV

00:00:28   announcers i'm watching of course the

00:00:29   Yankees telecast and they their their

00:00:32   poll of the day I don't know if every

00:00:34   other team does this but they always

00:00:35   have i got a text message pole of the

00:00:38   day we're there you know they ready like

00:00:40   four choices in your text message

00:00:42   different numbers to cast your vote was

00:00:45   Andy Pettitte signature moment of his

00:00:47   career and the winner was the 1996 world

00:00:51   series game against the Atlanta Braves

00:00:53   where he did the yankees won that game

00:00:56   one nothing any outdoor world

00:00:58   Braves Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz

00:01:01   so now you see where I'm going with this

00:01:05   I now I series and I'm explaining it to

00:01:08   Jonas and Jonas was like well tell me

00:01:10   all about it what what whoo

00:01:11   and I say he said who's John Smoltz and

00:01:13   all of a sudden Amy walks in and she's

00:01:15   like you've got to be kidding me that's

00:01:17   made up right and I'm like no he was

00:01:19   that he was an all-star he was a great

00:01:21   picture she's like John Smoltz really

00:01:24   i'm sure and then she just wandered off

00:01:27   and she thought that you would like God

00:01:28   got a hold of like the Yankees

00:01:30   announcers and yeah I don't know what is

00:01:33   she doing here generation hear the TV

00:01:34   guys talking about she heard me

00:01:36   explaining it to Jonas and thought that

00:01:37   I was just you know making up names of

00:01:42   baseball players basically into the 45

00:01:46   actual friends I have in life

00:01:48   that'd be neat i don't know why it never

00:01:51   really occurred to me until that very

00:01:53   moment when she came in and said that

00:01:55   never really occurred to me just how

00:01:56   similar your names are yeah i mean i

00:02:00   think they're completely unrelated as

00:02:04   far as i know

00:02:05   remember the guy used to play it

00:02:06   certainly made my skill of baseball

00:02:08   would indicate that you remember the guy

00:02:09   who used to play for the Kansas City

00:02:11   Chiefs John scrubber is a kicker now

00:02:16   you're making it was a kid he was a

00:02:17   kicker it became a placekicker now you

00:02:23   are though you're not John Smoltz you

00:02:24   are John molt's i am the last time I

00:02:27   checked which was earlier today so I'm

00:02:31   John grouper is we have to say that i

00:02:33   usually don't get the actually going to

00:02:35   cause confusion i did the whole thing is

00:02:37   very confusing i just told you you want

00:02:38   me to I just don't we just spent 30

00:02:40   minutes I spent 30 minutes trying to

00:02:41   figure out how to make a skype call

00:02:43   because I I'm always wondering if that

00:02:46   was the problem really was i I mean I've

00:02:49   had a lot of problems with skype I've

00:02:50   always had a lot of problems with skype

00:02:52   I everybody has problems good

00:02:54   I when I try to use skype i am at the

00:02:58   your grandfather with the with a new pc

00:03:01   and I'm you know I don't know how I'm

00:03:04   I'm talking into the mouse I it is to me

00:03:11   the most baffling application I've ever

00:03:13   seen in my life died

00:03:15   nothing you can do with it ever it seems

00:03:17   to be what you want it seems to me like

00:03:18   once you have somebody's contact and if

00:03:20   you double-click them it should be like

00:03:22   either start a call or like hey you want

00:03:24   to call this person

00:03:25   nope not what happened

00:03:28   I'm so afraid escape that I have not

00:03:30   updated it and let's let's see

00:03:33   so must have been since 2008 it looks

00:03:36   like i'm running version 27 and I think

00:03:40   it's well well beyond that but it's like

00:03:42   it works and i know that other people

00:03:44   have had trouble after they've updated

00:03:46   it so I'm just like I'm not on until an

00:03:48   adult stops working on i would recommend

00:03:50   that you know my problem is I was doing

00:03:52   that on another computer where I'd

00:03:54   upgraded to whatever the new version is

00:03:56   in it and it really they just made it

00:03:58   worse

00:03:58   did way worse but then I had got a new

00:04:04   computer of a new air over here and I

00:04:06   mean I guess I could dig up the old copy

00:04:08   of skype somewhere but i think it says

00:04:09   something that they still make the old

00:04:11   give you google hard enough you can

00:04:12   still find the download for it

00:04:14   I know usually that's a pretty as a

00:04:15   pretty bad sign

00:04:17   I think right right if this you

00:04:19   shouldn't need to be leaving that out

00:04:22   there for people who write like it's one

00:04:24   thing if you have an old version because

00:04:26   your new version only works on operating

00:04:29   system from last year and newer and hey

00:04:32   if you're on an old operating system

00:04:34   here is an old version and there's a

00:04:35   technical limitation that that that

00:04:38   would help people out by request you

00:04:40   know keeping an old version available

00:04:42   but when it when it really is people are

00:04:43   so confused by the new version it right

00:04:46   at the camera it calls they can actually

00:04:50   use it to do what it's supposed to be

00:04:51   going like at some point you just know

00:04:53   though and you just know that there's a

00:04:56   meeting where there's somebody who like

00:04:57   raise their hand and and and they were

00:04:59   like hey maybe instead of keeping the

00:05:02   old version available what if we what if

00:05:04   we can fix the new version so it wasn't

00:05:05   confusing and that you know they got

00:05:07   shot down and then right and they just

00:05:09   went back and had like a dead a desk

00:05:12   drink

00:05:13   you've got a new website 23 is it still

00:05:19   is it doing yeah well I long do we

00:05:22   yeah I guess so I mean yeah I mean I

00:05:25   guess in internet terms it's not that

00:05:26   new anymore but it's new to me it's

00:05:29   couple months old it's it's a very nice

00:05:31   resident how much it literally literally

00:05:35   and figuratively

00:05:36   it's very nice website done now John

00:05:40   Smoltz is very nice website

00:05:42   yeah I was going to mention is looking

00:05:44   for something that I link to the other

00:05:46   day because it was relevant to what we

00:05:48   were just talking about is that you can

00:05:52   still run windows 8 on max that you

00:05:58   cannot run lying on wow which i found an

00:06:04   interesting i installed windows 8 I got

00:06:06   the preview copy of windows 8 just for

00:06:08   fun

00:06:09   and put it on an old I had the first

00:06:11   intel mac mini is of course solo and it

00:06:16   won't take lion but it took Windows 8 is

00:06:19   kind of weird

00:06:20   yeah i've got i mean i think that some

00:06:22   of that just has to do with their

00:06:24   different markets i mean i think but

00:06:27   also it's just they're different

00:06:28   attitudes towards you know backwards

00:06:30   compatibility right and it's you know

00:06:34   it's the fact that Apple is

00:06:35   fundamentally a computer maker not an

00:06:38   operating company make right-right-right

00:06:41   microsoft is interested in selling you

00:06:43   the operating system if you've got all

00:06:44   the hardware yeah we'd love to sell you

00:06:45   the operating system but for example

00:06:48   yeah I know we'd really rather you go on

00:06:50   my new Mac I've gotta upcoming headache

00:06:53   on my hands where I've got family

00:06:55   members who've got lion max max running

00:07:02   lion takes a lion or is it snow leopard

00:07:06   not snow leopard gotta go back further

00:07:08   right snow leopard I see this is the

00:07:10   thing and add good old wool French used

00:07:13   to complain about it endlessly that you

00:07:15   keep it only remember like the two most

00:07:18   recent cat names and how they correspond

00:07:21   in otherwise it's like right i remember

00:07:22   that there was one called tiger i I'd I

00:07:25   don't remember what the hell it was

00:07:26   whereas if you just stick that 10 4 10 5

00:07:28   10 6 you know which one was newer and

00:07:31   older anyway I think they're all on 10 5

00:07:33   which is snow leopard yeah and so they

00:07:36   can't do I cloud and they've got mac.com

00:07:41   or me.com mobileme and and the the

00:07:45   mobileme apocalypse is drawing nigh 10-5

00:07:48   is leopard alright when a 60 snow

00:07:51   leopard 10-7 is like you would you would

00:07:53   think i would have this really is a very

00:07:55   unprofessional

00:07:56   now I it gets me all the times you and I

00:07:58   recently and I noticed that was tight

00:08:00   because i have a I mean it as you might

00:08:02   suspect i have a a mess of Max in my

00:08:05   office of varying ages and I mean the

00:08:09   way that I remember that is i

00:08:10   fortunately I have all the boxes from

00:08:13   the different operating system releases

00:08:15   in a row on my shelf but right now

00:08:18   they're all they're all like strewn

00:08:20   across the room because I've been

00:08:21   updating it

00:08:22   I got a new you know Tom Carmen of

00:08:24   course I he he's moving to San Francisco

00:08:28   he had a yard sale and I picked up a

00:08:30   lime imac from him and so i had to find

00:08:36   something that would run and run on that

00:08:39   you and iron it's a sick it is it's a

00:08:42   sick as I people say stuff to me people

00:08:44   say people write to me like hey I was

00:08:46   digging through my garage and I found it

00:08:48   an old Apple extended keyboard it's a

00:08:52   great condition and the ID my mind I

00:08:55   think send it to me I had a guy couple

00:08:57   weeks ago who told me that he but had a

00:08:58   an sp30 in the box and the end that he

00:09:02   goes I don't know what I was thinking

00:09:03   he seems like he was like you know it's

00:09:05   a couple years older than us but he

00:09:06   bought it in like nineteen eighty-nine

00:09:08   or 90 brand new and never opened it

00:09:11   thinking that that when he retired he

00:09:15   would he would use it as his you know he

00:09:18   would keep it and then when he retired

00:09:19   get into it that's why we got a B says

00:09:24   don't laugh it made sense at the time I

00:09:26   didn't wasn't really thinking about the

00:09:27   fact that computers really you know

00:09:29   change every few years the ice you know

00:09:32   I mean like it like in a sense like

00:09:34   think about the way lady what I think

00:09:36   and I don't want to put words in the

00:09:37   fellows mouth but i think that he was

00:09:38   thinking about it in a way that maybe 50

00:09:41   years prior and I might have thought you

00:09:44   know what when I retire I want to try to

00:09:45   room taking take a shot at writing a

00:09:48   novel and and buying the typewriter 20

00:09:51   years first just like a little reminder

00:09:53   that hey you know I'm a retired 15 years

00:09:56   and i'm going to what I'm gonna do and I

00:09:57   retires write a novel and there's the

00:09:59   murders my typewriter i'm going to keep

00:10:00   in the box and every couple days I'm

00:10:02   gonna look at it and think about what

00:10:03   I'm going to do I think that's how we

00:10:05   went in to help with the computer but

00:10:06   then racing you know it he's got it yeah

00:10:10   twenty-five-year-old SE thirties never

00:10:12   opened up

00:10:13   yeah but in the bottom right I'm not a

00:10:17   hundred percent sure whether he's like

00:10:18   never even like crack the cylinder or

00:10:20   and still and then he was saying that

00:10:22   you can any thought you know I gotta get

00:10:24   rid of this day and used he thought he

00:10:25   could sell it for what he bought it for

00:10:27   in 1991 or whatever and any found out

00:10:29   that no you can't know you see 30 is not

00:10:33   worth of $5,000 yeah yeah i had my first

00:10:37   mac was an SE with the not the 30 but

00:10:40   with the double I know that your

00:10:43   identity our identity harddrive heard of

00:10:45   floppy drive and I said you know I sold

00:10:49   it to buy the next one in dino but i

00:10:50   still had you know like 10 years later

00:10:53   or whatever it was i still had all of

00:10:56   the the floppy discipline LOL digital

00:10:58   games i thought i'd be kind of fun to

00:10:59   try these

00:11:00   so this was like 10 years ago now and

00:11:03   got on ebay and you know machine that I

00:11:05   paid two thousand dollars for i got it

00:11:07   for a dollar

00:11:08   listen we got the same got the same shot

00:11:10   for a dollar and now it's here it's here

00:11:14   in the in my office with a with a mac

00:11:16   plus that a friend found on the side of

00:11:18   the road and i'm using for shelving you

00:11:23   i have my instincts are on the same way

00:11:25   and i have to fight it

00:11:26   yeah every step of the way I think of

00:11:28   course I want the head set out what

00:11:30   that's what that's what diantha diantha

00:11:31   suspect that she had this conversation

00:11:33   with Amy Jean she said because what i

00:11:36   bought the imac from she said you just

00:11:39   like group you know and I don't have it

00:11:43   set up like and I don't have a tie i

00:11:45   don't have as many as you do and I'm

00:11:47   trying to fight the instinct to collect

00:11:49   more but my instinct is always to say

00:11:51   yes and if I i would do the same thing I

00:11:53   I didn't even really care for the the

00:11:55   the candy colored Mac era didn't really

00:11:58   even here for that whole aesthetic but

00:12:00   if i was in comedies house and he's

00:12:02   having is a moving garage sale and

00:12:04   there's a nice limonene imac my instinct

00:12:06   would be well I'll take that

00:12:08   yeah that i missed it i missed a 12 inch

00:12:10   powerbook by like 10 minutes

00:12:12   what about that till just kicking my I

00:12:15   was kicking myself but I walked out over

00:12:18   the line my Mac I've never had one of

00:12:20   this this generation either i went

00:12:23   straight from a performance 6400 illa

00:12:25   the g4 power

00:12:29   you know we are you and I worked where

00:12:31   we know we rehearse this show very very

00:12:34   sure to put a lot of effort into the

00:12:36   rehearsal tonight preparation but while

00:12:38   we were doing that one of the things we

00:12:39   we talked about you talk about what site

00:12:43   you used to write for I guess you

00:12:44   haven't really officially shut it down

00:12:45   but cars the crazy apple rumors have it

00:12:48   yeah ah uu if you tell me about a pc i

00:12:53   had to abandon about the what what how

00:12:58   would you describe her

00:13:00   the the mac that clip liquid I mean I i

00:13:05   assume that she's clipart I mean that

00:13:07   she was like a not actually a person who

00:13:10   worked there in that connection what the

00:13:12   mac connection had a log used to buy

00:13:14   yeah i mean the way that we got all the

00:13:16   information back then was you get these

00:13:17   magazines you could macworld to get mac

00:13:19   addict or whatever and in the back he

00:13:21   opened up and they're all these ads for

00:13:24   places like Matt connection at macmall

00:13:26   that you know where we used by all

00:13:27   that's all of our stuff for the rabble

00:13:29   stores because you know that was chances

00:13:31   are there was no place in town that you

00:13:33   could buy anything from apple if you're

00:13:37   certainly if you were someplace you know

00:13:39   smaller town maybe you can go to a

00:13:41   circuit city organic was a computer

00:13:44   saying and go back at you know sandwich

00:13:47   between the peripherals of the Damned

00:13:49   there be your Mac section but at most

00:13:52   everybody bought stuff from the back of

00:13:54   these magazines and so there was ok so

00:13:56   they always said some pretty girl who

00:13:58   was supposedly the phone the phone the

00:14:01   person that you would call it would be

00:14:03   ready and willing to take your your

00:14:05   order and so the piece was you know

00:14:08   going to be about what she's doing now

00:14:11   because this place is though I don't

00:14:14   think they do the pills and the thing

00:14:15   just the thing to remember is that mac

00:14:17   connection was one of the bigger names

00:14:19   number two number two it is really dates

00:14:21   I mean this is me and you were getting

00:14:23   into grandfather mode here but you have

00:14:24   to remember there was no web yet i mean

00:14:26   we're talking early night right

00:14:28   very early night yeah nobody trusts me

00:14:30   nobody bought anything I mean before

00:14:32   amazon really this is before there even

00:14:34   was a web though I mean or if there was

00:14:36   it would certainly creampies get on it

00:14:37   yeah some of it yeah yeah so if you

00:14:39   wanted to buy a new modem you had to

00:14:42   have like a magazine handy where you can

00:14:44   call one of these 1-800 numbers and tell

00:14:46   them which one wanted and and do it but

00:14:49   the thing with matt connection is it was

00:14:50   always the exact same photo of this

00:14:53   woman

00:14:54   it never changed they never picked a

00:14:56   different woman they only had one

00:14:58   picture of her which is certainly one of

00:15:00   the reasons i always thought it was

00:15:01   clipart to that they you know it wasn't

00:15:03   like to have a series of photos yeah

00:15:05   they were taking a new picture of her

00:15:06   every year and once you ordered

00:15:08   something from one of these companies

00:15:09   are in another big one is macmall I mean

00:15:12   I don't know these things they might

00:15:13   even still be around i don't know but

00:15:15   but once you order that macmall

00:15:16   definitely you you would get on their

00:15:18   list and then once a month it send you

00:15:20   an updated catalogue and this actually

00:15:21   was this wasn't like annoying i wish

00:15:24   they'd stop this was actually helpful

00:15:26   because then you would you know that

00:15:28   there's like the only way you know what

00:15:29   the new prices were for stuff right I

00:15:31   and find out of a new product right i

00:15:33   mean i was effectively the the app store

00:15:35   and Amazon all rolled up in one because

00:15:38   that's how you actually have to buy your

00:15:39   apps at by it your apps in a box but

00:15:43   Matt connection always was the exact

00:15:45   same woman and anybody from that era

00:15:47   well now she I mean she was attractive

00:15:49   but she wasn't like super attractive she

00:15:51   was now girl-next-door yeah like totally

00:15:54   feasible that maybe she was somebody who

00:15:56   answered the phone for them and they're

00:15:58   like hey Sally would you mind if we take

00:15:59   a picture

00:16:00   uh-huh maybe it maybe she was on the

00:16:03   train I don't know for everybody maybe

00:16:05   she did work there one right and hatred

00:16:07   hey turn around click she didn't really

00:16:08   she did not look like a model like a

00:16:13   fashion model who was told he put this

00:16:15   headset on and pretend you're on the

00:16:16   phone for a second

00:16:18   I'm you know but she is attractive but

00:16:21   she also was very she also was very

00:16:23   attractive in like a get the photo was

00:16:25   very clearly taken in 1987 like she

00:16:28   could not have looked more eighties and

00:16:31   I even buy like the early nineties sort

00:16:33   of started looking dated but exam

00:16:36   yeah but it but we love to but she

00:16:40   effectively was the logo from

00:16:42   connection like she went with the Apple

00:16:44   the apple with a bite out of it

00:16:46   mark is to apple that that woman was to

00:16:49   Matt connection like you wouldn't know

00:16:51   it was Matt connection if you didn't see

00:16:52   her and her photo was huge it was huge

00:16:56   and catalog it was like where the people

00:16:58   with this woman that's what you want to

00:17:03   go get what you say that you go to sleep

00:17:04   you have on their site to see if she's

00:17:08   still there and you said you had to

00:17:09   abandon the piece though

00:17:12   yeah I got it just got too dark this is

00:17:14   another good place to take a comedy like

00:17:16   now that she's she's yeah it didn't end

00:17:18   up well for her she's in an unhappy

00:17:22   marriage

00:17:23   ah so I feel like there's a lot going on

00:17:27   I feel like like this is we're going to

00:17:30   fill up an hour here easy on me today

00:17:31   today is couple things that new stuff i

00:17:34   mean stuff that just if we had recorded

00:17:35   yesterday we would already be out of

00:17:37   date right so what we got today

00:17:40   run run run down the news today Samsung

00:17:45   losses how much 19 gazillion 10 billion

00:17:52   dollars wiped off its value

00:17:54   following a report baby x digits packets

00:17:57   man that's gotta hurt

00:17:58   that's the worst damn billion white

00:18:00   wiped off your value from a report by

00:18:03   digitizing indicating that Apple place

00:18:05   the large order for deer am from a

00:18:10   Japanese better

00:18:11   elpida it is create digit times

00:18:16   yeah and I think I mean that's happened

00:18:20   I mean maybe not to that degree but some

00:18:22   of that has happened to apple the past

00:18:24   certainly and I don't know maybe not

00:18:27   source from digitize but definitely I

00:18:29   mean there's been instances were some

00:18:31   rumors of negatively affected apples

00:18:34   your place but this is pretty

00:18:35   I this is pretty big I mean it's old

00:18:37   news I mean and everything you can find

00:18:39   examples of it every week where the

00:18:41   stock market is not rational and it you

00:18:44   know tends to overreact it's a herd

00:18:45   mentality but this seems right i mean a

00:18:48   new and ironed it's not like we're fans

00:18:49   of samsung in particular but this seems

00:18:51   outrageously greatly fair to write to

00:18:55   samsung

00:18:55   I mean that Samsung is doing seems to be

00:18:58   doing pretty darn well as a business

00:19:00   say what you want about you know whether

00:19:01   you like using the galaxy dingus phones

00:19:04   or whatever but Rob but they seem to

00:19:07   have a really rich business where they

00:19:08   have a lot of things they're doing well

00:19:10   in the phone market they're the only

00:19:11   company other than apple making any

00:19:13   significant profit I mean there's only

00:19:14   two companies in the world making a

00:19:16   profit serious profit selling phones

00:19:18   apple and samsung and then the only 3rd

00:19:21   company that's making like ten dollars a

00:19:23   year is HTC everyone else is losing

00:19:25   money so that's pretty good

00:19:27   I they make their own screens they got

00:19:29   manufacturing you know they did they're

00:19:31   doing well in the TV business they they

00:19:33   have a wide-ranging I mean they're a

00:19:35   conglomerate in every sense of the word

00:19:37   and it seems like they're doing really

00:19:38   well and then digitize it says apples

00:19:40   buying dear am from a deputy's company

00:19:42   and they lose six billion dollars i was

00:19:45   six billion 10 says 10 billion dollars

00:19:48   in marketing campus is a lot like an

00:19:50   electric least within several I I mean I

00:19:52   presume that that will even out i'm in

00:19:54   angles people will sober up after lunch

00:19:57   and maybe the stock oh yeah even out but

00:20:00   it just seems especially coming a day or

00:20:03   two after Harry McCracken's epic alright

00:20:07   let's say here's 25 digit time reports

00:20:09   from the last few years right and then

00:20:12   they run back in and and sell yourselves

00:20:15   right and like like Keith that's like

00:20:19   harry mccracken I mean that is like some

00:20:21   serious claim child's cooking to go not

00:20:24   just like one at a time but to do 25 and

00:20:26   more or less the result was if the if

00:20:29   the report from digit times even vaguely

00:20:31   sensational interesting it ended up

00:20:33   being complete bullshit and and the only

00:20:36   ones that it that panned out were the

00:20:38   ones that were kinda obvious like novels

00:20:41   making the new phone this year right

00:20:44   like anything that was actually like

00:20:47   news where the internet and it's just

00:20:50   that it just appalls me man over and

00:20:52   over again people will still credulous

00:20:54   Lee report things four digit times

00:20:57   without i mean i think most of the most

00:21:00   of the rumor sites now seem to at least

00:21:02   being released to be putting some sort

00:21:05   of disclaimer in about digital variety

00:21:07   that they're very is a little

00:21:08   they still yeah to me they're they're so

00:21:11   bad it's not worth it and it's not even

00:21:14   worth mentioning right i mean it's so

00:21:17   bad that I think you could really use

00:21:19   you would clean up

00:21:20   I mean I got a preposterous set sense

00:21:23   you would just clean up if you bet

00:21:25   against anything there against because

00:21:27   they're never there never write very

00:21:31   strange

00:21:32   now you like to gamble i do like to

00:21:34   gamble I do you also identity you play

00:21:37   the stocks now i don't i should but that

00:21:39   because you know yeah it seems like

00:21:41   those two things will go hand-in-hand

00:21:43   I can see how it like I think it once

00:21:47   you have a taste for it i do you know

00:21:49   and then stuff like this JP Morgan stuff

00:21:51   with a guy lost two billion dollars or

00:21:53   difference of loops it really is it's

00:21:56   the same thing it's just there's no

00:21:58   difference between blackjack in the

00:22:00   stock market except i think that the

00:22:02   difference is there's no house in the

00:22:04   stock market so if you're you know the

00:22:06   big guy dominates the advantage to it is

00:22:08   that you know you really you might be

00:22:10   able to actually win in the long term

00:22:12   since there's nobody taking a

00:22:14   mathematical cut

00:22:16   yeah somebody did a thing a couple years

00:22:19   ago because if it was Matt how he or

00:22:21   somebody but they just it wasn't super

00:22:25   recent it was a before Apple really

00:22:26   became huge it was when Apple was like

00:22:29   in while apple's making a nice recovery

00:22:31   but they're still like like one of the

00:22:33   smaller players in tech but somebody had

00:22:37   done a thing where they just tracked

00:22:38   apple's stock price after keynote

00:22:42   announcements and it like 44 times out

00:22:45   of five right it went down the day of

00:22:49   you know like the afternoon after a

00:22:50   keynote and always recovered by the next

00:22:54   week and inclined but you could you know

00:22:55   that looked like you could really

00:22:57   without paying any attention to the

00:22:59   specifics of the rumors or even

00:23:02   listening to what was announced in the

00:23:03   keynote if you just bought apple in the

00:23:06   afternoon after it dip five percent

00:23:08   because they didn't announce you know 3d

00:23:11   glasses that run on infinitely never run

00:23:14   dry batteries as was predicted by

00:23:17   analyst and engine sell it in a week

00:23:19   after recovered and ever

00:23:21   he was like hey you know they actually

00:23:22   didn't have some cool stuff but when

00:23:27   he's so good

00:23:28   yeah you would you would like you can

00:23:29   just make money you need money I I feel

00:23:32   like there's a lot of padding

00:23:33   programmable there's gotta be some

00:23:35   patterns like that the stock market

00:23:36   right there definitely are and I think

00:23:41   once or twice I mean one every once in a

00:23:43   while the little buck the trend but

00:23:45   still if you did it if you did it over

00:23:46   time enough you got you got to make a

00:23:49   lot of money doing that there's a lot of

00:23:52   I think that you can see a lot of gaming

00:23:55   I mean it's almost you can see that

00:23:57   there are people trying to float rumors

00:23:59   leading up to events in order to try to

00:24:05   affect the stock price right there's two

00:24:08   senses of that there's the did nerd sent

00:24:10   were we just listened and and we just

00:24:14   want to know about the cool stuff and

00:24:16   you know the sites like the verge and

00:24:18   gadget we just want to hear it we just

00:24:21   want to give us to give us the specs

00:24:23   like I you know in a way that like we

00:24:26   don't what we're happy when we have

00:24:29   surprises in the keynote that aren't

00:24:31   spoiled but if they're going to be

00:24:32   spoiled let me read all the details

00:24:34   about it in advance

00:24:35   I can't help myself right ah but we

00:24:37   really just they're doing it as nerds

00:24:39   but there's also clearly another set of

00:24:42   people who are setting things up to try

00:24:44   to like it seems very clear that they're

00:24:46   trying to move the stock right tells us

00:24:51   what it's more like this time is more

00:24:54   like this is more like poker then like

00:24:56   you know more like we're sitting around

00:24:58   playing poker with a bunch of different

00:24:59   people as opposed to play nice yes

00:25:01   exactly i have a friend who years ago

00:25:05   actually did that and he decided he got

00:25:08   he got into online

00:25:10   we're playing poker online and then got

00:25:12   so good at it that he decided he was

00:25:16   gonna try and he's gonna take six months

00:25:17   and try and make it his job and he did I

00:25:21   mean he did ok you know his family

00:25:24   wasn't having the street or anything but

00:25:25   he didn't do it didn't do incredibly and

00:25:28   but with the thing that really drove him

00:25:29   back to do a regular job was that he

00:25:35   just got tired of taking advantage of

00:25:36   you because that's what you have to do I

00:25:39   mean you go in there and I mean

00:25:41   particularly around here he wasn't in

00:25:42   vegas he was he was around here going to

00:25:44   be no Indian casinos and and then you

00:25:48   know you get to know the people who

00:25:50   would play there and then you know what

00:25:51   there with her weaknesses are and you

00:25:54   would just exploit them and you know he

00:25:57   figured he either had to really like go

00:26:00   into that in order to make a good living

00:26:02   doing it or he had to just you know give

00:26:04   up and do something else so we just need

00:26:06   to do something else but that I mean it

00:26:08   seems like that situation is more like

00:26:10   the stock market

00:26:12   yeah i think definitely but it's also

00:26:14   good the case to where I it's almost

00:26:19   like poker where sometimes the cards you

00:26:21   can just see everybody's cards like and

00:26:23   i think apple is that type of company I

00:26:24   guys it's like one of the like non-stop

00:26:26   recurring themes of what I talk about

00:26:29   what I write about is that Apple is

00:26:32   really a fairly simple company they

00:26:34   really i mean they're the Bible by

00:26:36   market value their the biggest company

00:26:39   in the world but they're really I really

00:26:42   pretty simple i mean you can actually

00:26:43   get to know the company just by walking

00:26:46   into one of their stores because of the

00:26:48   stores sort of represent everything they

00:26:51   do and the emphasis they put on things

00:26:54   in the stores is pretty close to

00:26:56   relative the important it is to them as

00:26:59   a company you know the iphones and ipads

00:27:01   or upfront the most important max are

00:27:04   the macbooks especially the heirs and

00:27:08   cannot the iphone cases are in the back

00:27:14   it's a really simple company and then

00:27:17   you read you know if you're obsessed

00:27:20   with the company like we are and then

00:27:21   you've sometimes you see the financial

00:27:23   analysts and and they're so bizarrely

00:27:25   wrong and you disassociate from that's

00:27:29   all they do is just study the company

00:27:31   yeah that's a good point i didn't

00:27:33   thought about that i mean it and it kind

00:27:34   of think about like the microsoft store

00:27:37   and how that is not true at Microsoft

00:27:40   right i mean basically microsoft store

00:27:43   is pretty much a copy of an apple store

00:27:45   and it's their consumer and I guess it's

00:27:47   maybe it's a good focus

00:27:48   good lens on their consumer business but

00:27:51   it it's not a good lens on the company

00:27:53   in general because most of the

00:27:54   businesses enterprise stuff right and

00:27:57   that's you know it i don't know that it

00:27:59   has to be that way and then you know the

00:28:01   microsoft others might end up being good

00:28:02   for them

00:28:03   I don't know it doesn't it I just think

00:28:05   it but again

00:28:06   microsoft is not an easy as easy

00:28:08   anywhere near as easy as a company to

00:28:09   understand is as Apple right right um

00:28:13   they do a decent I mean I've been up I

00:28:15   have only been up past there's one up

00:28:17   about 45 minutes to an hour from here

00:28:20   and it's never as packed as an apple

00:28:24   store is on saturday afternoon but and

00:28:27   it's also you know it's right next to

00:28:29   redmond so I mean maybe that's got

00:28:31   something to do with it but on they do a

00:28:33   decent into a decent business in there

00:28:35   is usually me go by there on a Saturday

00:28:37   afternoon and and it's it's full and

00:28:39   their number of people walking around i

00:28:43   don't know how many people buying things

00:28:44   but at least that people in there

00:28:46   hey I should hit the money button here

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00:29:46   oohs thats what you say is a lovely

00:29:51   interface it really you know what also i

00:29:54   would say that an easy to it is super

00:29:56   easy it really is I week I could go on

00:29:58   and on about I will also say one of my

00:30:00   favorite icons ever it has one of the

00:30:05   best app icons I've ever seen

00:30:07   I i applied almost any at icon that is

00:30:10   not some sort of square thing with a

00:30:12   pencil over the top blue yes in blue

00:30:16   they did it half the reason I love the

00:30:19   icon is that there's no there's not one

00:30:21   pixel blue in it you happy yeah i think

00:30:24   that it makes it stand out

00:30:26   I mean it's complete very noticeable in

00:30:28   my doc that that's a good segue into

00:30:33   something I wanted to talk about and and

00:30:35   I want to talk about it because I don't

00:30:38   know what to write about it because I

00:30:40   really don't know what I think about yet

00:30:42   like I know it's something but i really

00:30:44   i started my mind about it i don't i

00:30:48   don't have my mind made up about it but

00:30:50   its windows forearm windows forearm has

00:30:52   rules that are a lot like those of iOS

00:30:55   where that the only apps you can install

00:31:00   our Metro apps and they have to go

00:31:02   through the microsoft app store and the

00:31:05   metro api's are like all brand new and

00:31:09   they're not you can't run you can't just

00:31:12   recompile your existing looks like

00:31:14   windows as we know it app just hit a

00:31:16   button and let me compile it forearm and

00:31:18   have a virgin you come it doesn't work

00:31:20   like that can have it so last week it

00:31:23   came out I mean this is news that that's

00:31:26   the way it's going to be but mozilla

00:31:27   officially came out as being in

00:31:29   opposition to this that because they

00:31:32   can't do a full version of firefox for

00:31:35   Windows RT making the argument that this

00:31:40   not just is not the way it should be but

00:31:43   that it shouldn't even be allowed to be

00:31:45   this way because of all the the

00:31:47   antitrust agreement microsoft has made

00:31:49   do the unpleasantness and the the late

00:31:53   nineties with the US department of

00:31:55   justice and I guess you

00:31:56   with your upto they've the European and

00:32:01   so I can totally see I absolutely see

00:32:04   why why

00:32:05   mozilla would it push in this direction

00:32:08   because it's certainly in their

00:32:09   interests to have firefox going to be

00:32:13   able to do a full version of firefox for

00:32:15   all versions of windows so I don't fault

00:32:17   them for pushing in this direction but I

00:32:21   don't know I I i tend to think my the

00:32:25   way eileen is that Microsoft is actually

00:32:27   isn't doing anything wrong here

00:32:30   right well you would like two piece that

00:32:34   indicated and most of that stuff is

00:32:36   written in terms of that there were

00:32:38   restrictions were on intel-based heart

00:32:40   right so and it seems to me it seems to

00:32:45   make more sense i mean if you think

00:32:45   about the tablet market it's not obvious

00:32:47   that Microsoft is not in a minimum

00:32:49   position on the tablet market so it

00:32:53   seems like this should be considered new

00:32:57   territory right there's a couple ways to

00:32:59   look at and I think looking at it and

00:33:02   everybody think the news was that

00:33:03   Mozilla kind of crack the seal on

00:33:06   wanting to look at this from a legal

00:33:07   perspective and not that they filed a

00:33:10   lawsuit

00:33:10   I mean and and I've gotten there yet but

00:33:13   they sort of at least like open the door

00:33:16   and that you know indicated that maybe

00:33:19   you know maybe such as you know whether

00:33:21   it would be like a civil suit or whether

00:33:23   it would be them petitioning the

00:33:25   department of justice or the European

00:33:26   regulators to look into this but that

00:33:28   you know legal action might might end up

00:33:31   being taken place but I actually think

00:33:32   Microsoft might be on good ground in

00:33:34   this regard because like you said that

00:33:36   the actual findings of facts from 1999

00:33:39   and the great unpleasantness really do

00:33:41   mention over and over and over again 30

00:33:43   sometimes Intel compatible pc operating

00:33:48   systems

00:33:50   yeah and that the thing that you think

00:33:52   that you link to was specifically the

00:33:54   doc Department of Justice settlement

00:33:58   with Mike right off so I mean they may

00:33:59   have a different issue with your plan

00:34:01   situation so I mean maybe maybe that's

00:34:06   another right and one of the things you

00:34:08   know I remember this and I wasn't

00:34:09   writing during

00:34:10   i bought the time but I was certainly

00:34:11   following the tech industry just as

00:34:13   obsessively you know and just appear

00:34:16   layman's understanding of antitrust laws

00:34:18   that monopolies aren't illegal in and of

00:34:21   themselves

00:34:21   it's just that when you have a monopoly

00:34:23   you have to play by different rules so

00:34:26   it's not that hey you have a monopoly

00:34:28   you've got to be busted up now it

00:34:30   doesn't work like that but it's hey you

00:34:31   have a monopoly you can't do certain

00:34:33   things that you could do if you didn't

00:34:37   have a monopoly on but there's all its

00:34:41   it's hard to sometimes I think

00:34:43   especially in the computer industry it's

00:34:45   really kind of hard it depends how you

00:34:48   divide something up to say whether

00:34:50   something is a monopoly or not like I

00:34:51   think the old AT&T phone monopoly in the

00:34:54   US was as clear cases could be because

00:34:58   if you wanted to call make a call to

00:35:00   somebody who didn't live in your town

00:35:02   the one and only way to do it was

00:35:03   through AT&T and you paid whatever AT&T

00:35:06   said you wanted to pay I I mean that's

00:35:09   about as classic of a monopoly is it

00:35:11   could be i think that the old railroad

00:35:13   monopolies were as classic of monopolies

00:35:16   you want if you wanted to ship something

00:35:18   on a train from here to there had to go

00:35:21   through these guys and there were no

00:35:22   other options but when you start talking

00:35:26   I mean I've heard people i have heard

00:35:28   people endlessly talk about the fact

00:35:30   that that like at accuse apple of having

00:35:33   a monopoly on Mac OS that right that if

00:35:37   you want a mac you've gotta you can only

00:35:39   buy an Apple computer and I don't think

00:35:42   I think that's I don't think there's any

00:35:44   I don't think that actually is how

00:35:46   things work but right uh just from a

00:35:49   common-sense standpoint like you said

00:35:50   couple minutes ago

00:35:52   there's no I don't see how anybody could

00:35:53   argue that Microsoft's monopoly on PC

00:35:56   operating systems translates into

00:35:58   tablets right that these that the

00:36:02   machines that they intend to put Windows

00:36:03   RT on Microsoft not only does have a

00:36:06   monopoly they've got like nothing

00:36:08   they've got zip

00:36:10   I mean a tradition of try to saw windows

00:36:14   as a tablet operating system for years

00:36:15   and just not found anything but also

00:36:18   this is just this is completely new

00:36:19   marketing but I do it I I

00:36:23   I you know I have to say and I've you

00:36:26   know it's one of those things because i

00:36:27   have wasn't writing daring fireball at

00:36:29   the time and so there's no there's no

00:36:33   record I can't prove it but I really

00:36:36   have to say I was never all that

00:36:38   comfortable with with the way that that

00:36:42   the terms of Microsoft ended up agreeing

00:36:44   to it and the antitrust agreement

00:36:47   I've never i always thought that it just

00:36:51   I I kind of saw microsoft side on it i

00:36:55   do think that they did some things the

00:36:56   way that they I think the things that

00:36:58   they did that were wrong and clearly

00:36:59   were illegal and deserve some sort of

00:37:01   legal punishment were the the hardball

00:37:05   tactics they took where it was like hey

00:37:07   you're gonna do this like they go to del

00:37:09   and say you're going to make Internet

00:37:13   Explorer the default browser or we're

00:37:15   not going to sell you any copies of

00:37:16   windows period you know that right that

00:37:19   right and that's illegal because they

00:37:22   can't they needed L hat L needed

00:37:23   licenses for windows otherwise they go

00:37:25   out of business there were you know

00:37:26   while there were other quote unquote

00:37:29   Intel pc operating systems by the

00:37:31   nineties you couldn't make any money

00:37:33   selling computers that had used them

00:37:35   ah but I don't know that they should

00:37:39   have been forced to make some of these

00:37:41   rules about windows and what they can do

00:37:43   by default it really does yeah I always

00:37:46   struck me as something that was going to

00:37:47   hamstring them i think i thought at the

00:37:50   time I was just happy that you know

00:37:51   anything i was happy to see Microsoft

00:37:55   get stuck by some right so I was a yeah

00:37:58   certainly supported it at the time but

00:38:01   probably not from a real logical stand

00:38:03   right like first very specifically I

00:38:05   remember and this was like a huge point

00:38:06   of contention in the court proceedings

00:38:08   was Microsoft's argument that internet

00:38:10   explorer was part of the operating

00:38:12   system not and it couldn't be the way

00:38:16   that it was made it couldn't be dissin

00:38:19   taken out uh and i think that the

00:38:24   slashdot crowd really saw no merit to

00:38:29   that argument whatsoever because at a

00:38:31   technical level it certainly didn't have

00:38:33   to be that way

00:38:34   you certainly didn't have

00:38:35   to make the browser part of the

00:38:38   operating system but I actually think

00:38:41   Microsoft was right that internet

00:38:42   explorer was part of the operating

00:38:44   system in the same way that WebKit is

00:38:47   part of OS 10 and iOS that it's you know

00:38:54   that that

00:38:55   yeah David I think at the time I found

00:38:57   that a convenient excuse

00:38:59   you know they were trying to time and

00:39:01   they were doing things like trying to

00:39:02   make it the new windows explorer and

00:39:05   that kind of thing and I thought that

00:39:08   they were basically doing that in order

00:39:10   to try to make it part of the operating

00:39:12   system so they can use that as an excuse

00:39:14   but I think in retrospect some of that

00:39:17   was just my lack of foresight as to

00:39:21   where they where they thought they were

00:39:22   going with it but yeah and and that but

00:39:25   I think now fast-forward flash forward

00:39:28   fast forward I guess fast-forward to the

00:39:30   present day and it really this whole

00:39:34   argument really to me encapsulated the

00:39:37   incredible tables are turned position

00:39:41   between Apple and Microsoft mom you know

00:39:46   where Apple's role in that hole late

00:39:48   nineties Department of Justice

00:39:50   investigation against Microsoft was sort

00:39:53   of they like the fact that Apple didn't

00:39:56   go out of business was like the best

00:39:58   thing that ever happened to Microsoft

00:39:59   because they could say hey we've got a

00:40:01   competitor look at these guys these

00:40:02   apple guys there you know they've got

00:40:04   five percent of the market totally

00:40:06   different operating system and and there

00:40:08   was a don't take a right and there was

00:40:10   you know I think that there is a I think

00:40:13   everybody is largely an agreement that

00:40:15   was that was sort of Microsoft

00:40:16   motivation with the investment they made

00:40:18   the famous you know on stage appearance

00:40:21   big brother style behind steve jobs at

00:40:23   the macworld expo where they said hey

00:40:25   we're going to invest a couple hundred

00:40:26   million dollars in non-voting shares

00:40:28   we're you know we're buying some shares

00:40:31   that have no you know special class of

00:40:34   shares that doesn't give us any control

00:40:36   over apple we just want to support the

00:40:37   company

00:40:38   and we're were committing to make a

00:40:42   great version of internet explorer for

00:40:44   the mac apple is going to make it their

00:40:45   default browser and where you know

00:40:48   committing ourselves right here in

00:40:49   public to to the next version of

00:40:52   microsoft office which is going to be

00:40:53   fully compatible with Windows Office

00:40:56   which all of it was true right that the

00:40:58   internet explorer was a good Mac browser

00:41:00   at the time office was compatible and it

00:41:04   really did I think you know at the time

00:41:07   it really was essential

00:41:09   I don't know that apple would have gone

00:41:10   on a business if Microsoft cancelled

00:41:13   office for mac but it certainly would

00:41:15   have hurt a compass a big appearance he

00:41:17   is a bigger prize thing that there was

00:41:19   certainly a sizeable number of mac users

00:41:22   who if they couldn't have had a version

00:41:25   of office maybe couldn't have been you

00:41:27   know would have had to switch to a

00:41:29   windows pc it's funny how big a deal

00:41:34   that was back then I think about that

00:41:36   sometimes how big an office suite men's

00:41:38   it really was a huge in the 90 it was a

00:41:40   huge deal because it really was i I

00:41:43   think that a very basic level it was the

00:41:45   reason that people had computers right

00:41:48   that they'll I guess we just we printed

00:41:50   a lot more back then printed a lot more

00:41:52   printing was ridiculously huge LOL now

00:41:57   I'm I / sometimes my printer like the

00:41:59   yellow light blinks because there's

00:42:00   something in it gets like a month not

00:42:03   the only time I realize it is when I go

00:42:04   in front of boarding pass for my next

00:42:05   flight

00:42:06   yeah I have a I bro for a long time are

00:42:10   only our main printers in my office and

00:42:12   and my wife is the only one that uses it

00:42:15   and I mean it's still have every time it

00:42:17   fires up it scares me gets I get

00:42:19   startled by the noise and I actually had

00:42:22   to turn it off in order to get to this

00:42:24   podcast that is she is doing is your

00:42:28   wife or print he earns more than I do

00:42:30   see Prince study at more than I do

00:42:32   yeah she's it carries just a crazy part

00:42:35   she printed every time she will do

00:42:36   things like and and smart stuff too like

00:42:38   you're going on vacation or something

00:42:40   she'll print like a temporary with all

00:42:42   the basic information and so was I and I

00:42:45   just think well it's in my phone

00:42:46   somewhere and so like I'll just sit

00:42:49   there like a jerk and

00:42:50   and 20 minutes trying to find a

00:42:51   confirmation code while I'm at the hotel

00:42:53   checkout desk words just got like eight

00:42:56   pieces of paper that have everything you

00:42:57   could want to know right there but yeah

00:42:59   I mean a couple must I coming months ago

00:43:01   we went skiing and she you know was

00:43:03   smart enough to have to force it to know

00:43:05   that we were driving up into the

00:43:06   mountains and would not get good cell

00:43:08   coverage and so she printed out to the

00:43:10   directions and you know and sure enough

00:43:12   we got here we were we were just about

00:43:15   lost at one point and I'm like I have no

00:43:18   I've completely clueless because i have

00:43:21   no cell connection that it's you it's

00:43:24   like you're you and I are again exactly

00:43:27   in the same boat because I would never

00:43:28   think that I've to me printing

00:43:29   directions is something i did when i was

00:43:31   a kid right now it's not something a man

00:43:33   does today got an iphone but i do it is

00:43:39   really too many highlights the

00:43:41   difference between Apple and Microsoft

00:43:42   competitive positions where clearly i I

00:43:45   really don't think that this is even a

00:43:46   matter for dispute this isn't being an

00:43:49   apple fanboy or anything I mean windows

00:43:51   RT is chasing iOS I mean and it's going

00:43:55   to be you know that the other thing

00:43:59   they're doing is the next version of

00:44:01   windows phone is going to be based on

00:44:03   the big boy version of windows it's

00:44:05   going to be a it's a serious I've Paul

00:44:09   throughout throughout had a good piece

00:44:11   about it last week I link to better you

00:44:15   know it's a big deal for developers

00:44:17   it's you know it's going to look the

00:44:18   metro UI will be mostly the same but

00:44:20   it's a real significant under the hood

00:44:22   thing where it's not a grownup version

00:44:25   of the old windows mobile it's a

00:44:27   cut-down version of windows 8 and I

00:44:32   think Apple again there's there's legal

00:44:34   argument centres technical arguments and

00:44:36   the technical side I think you know

00:44:37   people have school down and it's no

00:44:40   longer nobody's as hot under the collar

00:44:42   as they used to be about the appstore

00:44:45   rules is just the basic idea not the

00:44:48   exceptional cases where it's you know

00:44:50   there's some kind of edge case rejection

00:44:53   right but just the basic idea that apps

00:44:56   go through the app store they're all

00:44:59   reviewed and there's a lot of things you

00:45:02   know you've got to play within a tight

00:45:03   set of

00:45:04   sandbox rules that keep your app from

00:45:06   you know running a monk you don't have

00:45:08   background privilege or you're very

00:45:10   limited background privileges you can't

00:45:14   see the whole file system you can only

00:45:16   see that your own data sandboxing does

00:45:20   still get people developers on under the

00:45:23   collar

00:45:23   well in it that's a different issue on

00:45:25   the mac though and part of that it

00:45:27   really highlights and I think it shows

00:45:29   the problems Microsoft's going to have

00:45:30   moving forward is that it's a he was a

00:45:32   huge advantage to Apple to say this is a

00:45:36   new thing this is ios and here are the

00:45:40   rules and it's all you know in fact they

00:45:43   started with literally here's the

00:45:44   weekend 2007 five years ago they said

00:45:48   here's your phone running iOS it has no

00:45:51   apps like the great like they started

00:45:54   from a point where third-party

00:45:56   developers were told you know you can

00:45:58   write a web page

00:45:59   ah yeah and so they grew from there

00:46:03   and so the app store with all of its

00:46:04   limitations was you know the proverbial

00:46:07   I class ice water and he'll compared to

00:46:11   not having any app third-party apps at

00:46:14   all whereas trying to impose these rules

00:46:17   on the Mac where developers were pretty

00:46:19   much free to invite if you could make it

00:46:23   and it runs can do it put it on your

00:46:26   website people downloaded and you know

00:46:28   whether it's an app that sticks to our

00:46:30   recommended guidelines or whether it's

00:46:32   you know some kind of Colonel Colonel

00:46:39   plugin that implements you know low

00:46:42   level stuff they could freeze the whole

00:46:44   machine you can install it if you want

00:46:46   around but that if you think they will

00:46:52   always allow that on the mac i do I

00:46:55   don't I really nice seriously do the

00:46:57   quiz i think the bigger question is how

00:46:59   long does the mac stay around i mean is

00:47:01   the mac still around 10 years from now I

00:47:03   you know 15 years from now that's the

00:47:05   bigger question but as long as there are

00:47:07   max I think that that stays I think that

00:47:10   I I did

00:47:12   I've talked to people at Apple about it

00:47:14   and you know you never know again you

00:47:16   can't

00:47:17   no it's not like they're going to

00:47:17   divulge if they really had a secret plan

00:47:19   to to take that away in mac OS x 10.9

00:47:24   Ocelot or whatever they're going to call

00:47:26   it that I'd not sound like they would

00:47:29   necessarily tell me even in confidence

00:47:31   but just the conversations I've had with

00:47:34   ppl makes me I i really believe it thats

00:47:36   you know and that's also why I don't

00:47:39   believe any kind of stories about iOS

00:47:41   and OS 10 merging you know that there's

00:47:44   gonna be 10 s that uh huh

00:47:47   I just don't you know they may be

00:47:49   similarities but to me it's fundamental

00:47:52   to the way it works so once you start

00:47:54   with something like a set of rules for a

00:47:56   game all it's almost like it's like this

00:47:58   changing the rules of the game like you

00:48:00   just can't change them that much if you

00:48:03   can't

00:48:04   yeah you can't go in now and say

00:48:06   baseball you can't be there is no more

00:48:08   left-handed batters because left it's a

00:48:10   too big of an advantage because there

00:48:11   they start four feet closer to first

00:48:14   base than right-handed batters so now

00:48:15   everybody has to bat from the right side

00:48:16   what you can't do that now it might make

00:48:18   some kind of logical sense but you know

00:48:21   you can't do it its 28 that's probably

00:48:28   bad example i guess but you know I could

00:48:31   see like doing that

00:48:32   yeah you know what i should say that

00:48:35   actually sounds like him but I I just

00:48:40   think though I think one of the reasons

00:48:41   that everybody's cool down about the the

00:48:43   iOS rules is that it's clearly worked

00:48:45   that it is proven to be wildly popular

00:48:48   and it's hard even for us even for the

00:48:52   type of geeks who like iOS and love

00:48:58   their iPads and and love their iphones

00:49:00   it's hard for us to and I know it's hard

00:49:05   for me to understand how regular people

00:49:08   see computers people who just that they

00:49:12   just really have very little

00:49:13   understanding of what the hell is

00:49:15   actually going on and I just think that

00:49:17   you just cannot there's no way to

00:49:18   overstate the relief that they see what

00:49:23   when they're using iPads and iPhones

00:49:25   where they feel like they can't screw

00:49:27   anything up there is no way to screw it

00:49:29   there's nothing you can do that is going

00:49:33   to render this thing in a broken just by

00:49:36   installing software clicking the wrong

00:49:38   button or something like that huh which

00:49:40   is you know and it a problem on the Mac

00:49:43   you know that you can buy stuff install

00:49:46   too much crap in your menu bar that's

00:49:48   always running and all of a sudden

00:49:49   safari slow

00:49:50   I i think it's a huge relief and it's

00:49:54   like a piece of mind and I think it's a

00:49:57   huge part of the ipads success in the

00:50:01   market like why people are buying iPads

00:50:04   and using them instead of using laptops

00:50:06   is that these rules are good for people

00:50:10   and it's not the point is not and this

00:50:12   you know I i do see the the Free

00:50:14   Software Foundation you know I see their

00:50:17   argument that you don't want all

00:50:18   computers to have this rule but they're

00:50:20   all computers don't have these rules

00:50:21   right it's just this huge job you know

00:50:24   there's this huge opportunity that Apple

00:50:27   was the first to take to make computers

00:50:29   that had these rules and it's not

00:50:31   supposed to be for everybody it's not

00:50:33   you know all computers shouldn't have

00:50:35   those rules but most I think should and

00:50:39   I think it's idea i just don't I can't

00:50:41   see how Microsoft should be disallowed

00:50:43   from following with windows or you know

00:50:47   and then again this is another one of

00:50:48   those things where the sty and I

00:50:51   personally always attributed to Ballmer

00:50:53   but that this idea that everything has

00:50:55   to be called windows it's got to have

00:50:57   windows a name something I that's right

00:51:00   I gotta think that's really holding them

00:51:01   back and on so many regards I mean the

00:51:04   names the names become increasingly

00:51:06   ridiculous just from you know the way

00:51:09   they sound because they keep putting

00:51:12   different things on the end of Windows

00:51:13   but also just just from like a branding

00:51:17   perspective I think people are sort of

00:51:19   tired of it and maybe that's just from a

00:51:22   mac user perspective but I it doesn't

00:51:26   mean having the xbox not named something

00:51:29   windows i think is a great advantage for

00:51:31   it

00:51:32   yeah absolutely and I think that xbox is

00:51:36   their best the best example and abet is

00:51:39   that it's the only that's the best

00:51:40   counter again it's the only thing that

00:51:42   we need to slap windows

00:51:43   every exactly and it's the best even if

00:51:45   an I presume again I've never I don't I

00:51:48   certainly haven't written an xbox game

00:51:49   but I i presume and I'd I think that

00:51:52   it's this is actually true that writing

00:51:54   games for the xbox is largely or at

00:51:58   least in many ways similar to writing

00:52:00   games for windows you know that if

00:52:03   you're good at writing you know like its

00:52:08   software type games you know quake and

00:52:11   those type of games for the pc on

00:52:14   windows that a lot of the techniques you

00:52:17   use and the code you use can be reused

00:52:18   on xbox you know that so in the same way

00:52:20   that iOS and OS 10 share these

00:52:23   fundamental technologies the xbox does

00:52:25   too but they just don't call it that

00:52:26   right and i do think that that really

00:52:30   hurts

00:52:31   I and I think it hurts them in this

00:52:32   argument you know and I see people who

00:52:34   are you know I see that there's a lot of

00:52:36   people supporting the Mozilla an

00:52:38   argument that you know that they

00:52:39   shouldn't be allowed to do this for for

00:52:41   Windows RT and again you know it does

00:52:45   kind of stink and you know it

00:52:47   there's trade-offs nobody's saying that

00:52:49   that these rules like in the app store

00:52:51   and way that they want to run Windows RT

00:52:53   that there aren't downsides to these

00:52:55   rules i think clearly the fact that macs

00:53:00   and pcs can run alternate browsers that

00:53:02   can be set as the default it you know

00:53:04   that there's been way more innovation in

00:53:06   the browser space because of firefox and

00:53:10   google chrome and all the WebKit type

00:53:13   stuff then there would have been

00:53:14   otherwise I you know and maybe somebody

00:53:17   else is going to come out with a browser

00:53:19   for mobile devices that iphone users are

00:53:22   going to be left out in the cold from

00:53:23   because they can't install it from the

00:53:25   app store it's possible that you know it

00:53:28   seems silly to think that WebKit mobile

00:53:31   web kit is always going to be the

00:53:32   preeminent browser engine right

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00:54:23   so you're with me on this that you think

00:54:26   that that that the windows RT the

00:54:30   restrictions on Windows RT are

00:54:32   reasonable if it's not

00:54:34   yeah I don't think yeah i mean i don't

00:54:35   think there's any way that you could

00:54:36   look at I mean you can't

00:54:38   it seems like if you look at the letter

00:54:40   of the agreement in and of itself that

00:54:42   it's clear that it's focused on until

00:54:45   based hardware and and then from a

00:54:48   purely rational aspect of looking at the

00:54:51   market they have no they have no

00:54:53   monopoly over the tablet market so you

00:54:56   know it the that agreement does not

00:54:59   really apply

00:55:00   yeah and it sort of seems like i mean

00:55:04   the the guy from Mozilla who was you

00:55:08   know he's a lawyer so he's looking at it

00:55:10   from a legal perspective and he seemed

00:55:12   to be saying I mean did seem like you

00:55:14   know they might be taking action

00:55:16   they're trying to take action but he

00:55:17   also seemed to be stripped insinuating

00:55:19   that it was against the the spirit of

00:55:21   the law of the of the settlement which

00:55:26   you know I mean maybe you can make that

00:55:27   the case but you know companies aren't

00:55:31   bound by the spirit of a settlement

00:55:33   early found by down by the law and you

00:55:38   can't really follow them i mean Apple

00:55:40   would do the same thing right I

00:55:44   completely agree and i do but i don't

00:55:46   really fascinating to see how it plays

00:55:48   out and i really do think

00:55:49   and I it's you know that the Shakespeare

00:55:52   quote rose by any other name would smell

00:55:54   just as what nice

00:55:57   whatever the hell he says we and what

00:55:59   the hell Shakespeare you can rewrite the

00:56:01   guy yeah I I really think it would make

00:56:05   a difference if it were called Metro OS

00:56:08   just you know I always that's my idea my

00:56:11   mind free consultation to them is that

00:56:13   they should call windows forearm metro

00:56:15   OS or just metro just say this is metro

00:56:18   and you can get it on your phones you

00:56:20   get it on your tablet you can even get

00:56:21   it on a laptop and if it's under the

00:56:27   hood all standard the windows kernel and

00:56:29   all of this code that's exactly the same

00:56:31   as you know windows more power to them

00:56:35   that's an engineering win we're not

00:56:37   duplicating effort but you don't brand

00:56:39   and i'm telling you if if they did that

00:56:40   I think that their argument would have

00:56:42   carry a lot less weight that's what it's

00:56:45   just another reason why i think that the

00:56:46   argument doesn't carry ways if they just

00:56:48   change the name of the thing it seems

00:56:49   like all the logic doesn't apply in a

00:56:51   right

00:56:52   how can I have a monopoly with an

00:56:53   operating system that isn't even out yet

00:56:55   for devices it is a little it is a

00:56:58   little weird i mean i-i any i would

00:57:00   probably agree on this too but I mean

00:57:02   the fact that they still have that the

00:57:03   full desktop experience and that they

00:57:07   will ship a full version of office for

00:57:12   Windows RT and and whatever other

00:57:16   applications that Microsoft deems worthy

00:57:18   of getting a pass i'm at that and having

00:57:22   used windows 8 it's the whole switching

00:57:26   back and forth between metro and the

00:57:29   traditional Windows desktop is a jarring

00:57:32   experience and I'd that I don't

00:57:35   understand mean and I think you've

00:57:37   posted this before to go but just just

00:57:40   the packet everybody should have

00:57:42   jettisoned the Windows desktop right on

00:57:45   arm all right that would have made a lot

00:57:47   more sense right and I just feel it's

00:57:49   just another one of those things where

00:57:50   there's it there's trade-offs you know

00:57:52   like and everybody knows everybody is at

00:57:54   least halfway Vicki knows that it can be

00:57:56   frustrating on the iphone especially on

00:58:00   the ipad i think it's more of a deal on

00:58:01   the IP

00:58:02   that because you can work on the ipad

00:58:04   and sometimes you just feel like I wish

00:58:07   I could just get a list of all the files

00:58:08   on this thing just show me a list of all

00:58:11   these files and let me just drag take

00:58:13   this one and say I want to open this one

00:58:15   in that app or I want to take this file

00:58:18   and send it to my mac at home and

00:58:21   sometimes the fact that you that there

00:58:23   is no the equivalent of a finder whether

00:58:26   it looked like the finder or not but

00:58:27   there's no app that's like that it is

00:58:29   frustrating and but there are there's a

00:58:32   simplicity window that if it isn't even

00:58:34   there then every app has to kind of

00:58:38   encapsulate its data in a simpler way

00:58:42   like the fact that it's not there and

00:58:44   that developers can't say we'll just go

00:58:46   to Explorer and you know change the file

00:58:48   extension in and it should fix itself

00:58:50   that if you don't even have the option

00:58:52   of telling your users that you've got to

00:58:53   you've got to do the work to present the

00:58:56   data in a simpler way i do think that

00:59:00   it's going to be I think of it just

00:59:03   seems crazy that you can get this

00:59:04   brand-new tablet with this fancy

00:59:06   lovely-looking whether it's you know

00:59:09   something you really want to use all the

00:59:12   time I think it's up up for up for

00:59:15   debate metro but it looks nice and it

00:59:17   certainly looks new and it certainly

00:59:19   doesn't look like anything windows ever

00:59:20   done before and then all of a sudden you

00:59:22   hit the explore button then you're in

00:59:24   you know yeah like windows seven all

00:59:26   over again

00:59:27   yeah which I said I sort of take that as

00:59:30   a compliment to us that we all seem to

00:59:34   like it when lots of mac users have said

00:59:36   that they liked the with the Metro

00:59:38   interface and so you know there we

00:59:42   weren't we were just need your Apple

00:59:44   apologist for all those years where we

00:59:46   said we hated windows we really it went

00:59:48   yeah I totally did that totally agree

00:59:51   with that yeah I just like nice things

00:59:54   I've always said I just like nice things

00:59:56   and it just happens to be that a lot of

00:59:59   these companies never

00:59:59   these companies never

01:00:00   for make nice things yeah what else we

01:00:03   got here the wall street journal

01:00:04   confirmed today or that they did they

01:00:06   left themselves some wiggle room but

01:00:08   they said that Apple is going to switch

01:00:10   24 inch iphone displays the rain luck

01:00:12   and juro osawa reporting for the wall

01:00:15   street journal as the new iphone that

01:00:18   Apple incorporated is expected to unveil

01:00:20   this year is likely to have a larger

01:00:23   display than its current models have

01:00:25   with the company ordering bigger screens

01:00:27   from occasion suppliers people familiar

01:00:29   with the matter said yeah you and I if

01:00:33   we ever form a band we were talking

01:00:35   before the show that maybe doing a song

01:00:37   I don't know I maybe we'll wait till

01:00:40   another episode but if we do I think

01:00:43   maybe a name for our band people

01:00:44   familiar with the matter

01:00:46   oh yeah now that's a good name for a

01:00:48   band and her band of it by people who do

01:00:52   maybe media criticism all the songs will

01:00:57   be about media criticism I feel like are

01:01:00   you looking at the the one that has the

01:01:02   picture the guy holding the white iphone

01:01:04   i think something that was what it was

01:01:05   yeah he's only got four fingers you know

01:01:07   I didn't see that on that trip huh

01:01:10   it's got a thumb and three fingers I

01:01:15   think he's one of the simpson kids you

01:01:18   know I had a conversation with Jonas

01:01:19   about that about why it why do so many

01:01:21   cartoon characters only have three

01:01:24   anchors and a thought

01:01:25   yeah he did not buy my explanation that

01:01:28   it's easier to draw and and looks better

01:01:31   over here is what helped Mike what did

01:01:34   he have an alternate explanation

01:01:36   no he thinks I'm hiding the truth from

01:01:39   you know that he's not buying it huh

01:01:44   there was an episode i believe there was

01:01:46   an episode where the Simpsons where

01:01:48   Homer imagined what his kids would look

01:01:51   like if they were regular were actual

01:01:54   and he said something about

01:01:56   five-fingered freaks and they showed us

01:01:58   showed a picture of them drawing more

01:02:00   more normal picking any movie I believe

01:02:03   he cried out in terror

01:02:05   I do see this picture of the guy holding

01:02:07   the white iphone

01:02:09   yeah which is the normal you know that's

01:02:11   the way right that he's got his indigo

01:02:13   behind ya the index fingers just but

01:02:16   it's completely yeah but it you know it

01:02:18   doesn't look like he's got four fingers

01:02:19   like maybe he was got caught shoplifting

01:02:24   singapore something which would be a

01:02:27   half but that would suck to it when its

01:02:32   stock if they if if you got caught

01:02:34   shoplifting and one of these countries

01:02:35   when you're going to lose your finger

01:02:36   and they go right for the index finger

01:02:38   sure that the pinky I would be terrible

01:02:41   and then that you see if you gripe I bet

01:02:43   they're like you're lucky we didn't take

01:02:44   the thumb

01:02:45   exactly oh man can you imagine taking

01:02:48   the taking the thumb that's what am I

01:02:50   know where that's what my were sad that

01:02:52   is

01:02:52   I mean because then you just you're not

01:02:55   even human anymore you remember a couple

01:02:56   months ago when I had that goofy family

01:02:59   every that's friend back at that

01:03:01   happened I was I had that that cast or

01:03:04   brace on all the way up to my elbow but

01:03:05   I still had my thumb and it was it was

01:03:10   incredibly frustrating to have my whole

01:03:12   left hand in this thing and be done able

01:03:15   to use any of my fingers for a couple of

01:03:17   weeks but the fact that I still had the

01:03:19   thumb was surprisingly useful

01:03:21   surprisingly useful you know identified

01:03:25   that I just remember thinking if I

01:03:27   didn't have that thumb and I would be it

01:03:28   i mean i could it was hard but if I had

01:03:31   something in my right hand I could with

01:03:33   that thumb I could eventually open a

01:03:35   door knob yeah yeah I noticed also

01:03:40   talked about how hard it is for my dog

01:03:41   and the dog does not have thumbs and

01:03:43   just the way he is that the way he has

01:03:46   to hold something he's chewing on true

01:03:49   that's no life and that's no way to live

01:03:52   and we like to think that we're so smart

01:03:56   in that we've you know we've got these

01:04:00   great minds that have separated us from

01:04:02   the rest of the animal kingdom but

01:04:03   really all we've got a good thumbs right

01:04:05   if you had thumbs you replace me in all

01:04:07   right okay yeah i would imagine if the

01:04:10   Dolphins had thumbs up always equally

01:04:13   look man we have to be so screwed

01:04:16   we're already not the smartest species

01:04:18   on the planet right I they would just be

01:04:21   able to better prove it right or

01:04:23   elephants imagine of elephants had

01:04:24   thumbs

01:04:25   yeah they could really kick some ass

01:04:27   they rang it sounds like there's a mean

01:04:32   this is a stupid story but bringing

01:04:36   things using iPads I saw that where I

01:04:38   don't make it though I saw it were like

01:04:40   what I didn't read it either but like

01:04:42   one step away from Planet of the Apes

01:04:43   you get those rankings iPads and were

01:04:47   you know right now they're like

01:04:49   communicating and stuff right there

01:04:50   making plans and good they're going to

01:04:52   get on facebook

01:04:53   we're gonna start talking to each other

01:04:55   and then and then the next thing you

01:04:59   know you're running through the brush

01:05:01   with Charlton Heston this for inside fun

01:05:04   thing I've talked about this before and

01:05:06   I've heard whispers about it i still

01:05:07   don't know that it's certain nobody ever

01:05:09   Apple it and people used to tell me

01:05:11   things that apple now they did they

01:05:12   don't tell me anymore i don't think that

01:05:13   i think they've got way more secretive

01:05:16   than before and i have i've been saying

01:05:19   this to people I've had a lot of people

01:05:20   ask me after Steve Jobs died you think

01:05:22   apple is going to maybe open up a little

01:05:24   bit more

01:05:24   I honestly I'd for everything I've

01:05:26   observed over the last nine months or

01:05:28   maybe even call it a year because i

01:05:30   think clearly job started winding down

01:05:32   is his management before he actually

01:05:35   retired I i think they've gotten only

01:05:38   only on more secretive in my experience

01:05:41   um but then I've heard the thing i've

01:05:45   heard is that if they go to a 4-inch

01:05:47   it's going to stay the same with and

01:05:49   they're just going to make it taller and

01:05:51   it's going to have the same pixel

01:05:52   density in other words the same number

01:05:54   of pixels print she's going to they're

01:05:55   going to add more pixels make a more

01:05:59   like a like a wider screen display or a

01:06:02   taller screen display whatever you want

01:06:03   to call it and that you know what about

01:06:07   developers developers you know assume

01:06:09   that this exact pixel count but that

01:06:11   there already are things like when

01:06:13   you're on a phone call and it you have

01:06:15   like a double-height status bar

01:06:17   nah that right you're already supposed

01:06:20   to make your appt a little bit flexible

01:06:23   in that dimension you know that

01:06:26   apparently some apps don't do that as

01:06:28   well as others they

01:06:29   shrink they just let that green

01:06:31   double-side statusbar take up space but

01:06:37   i think that that's you know that's the

01:06:39   the answer because i don't think the

01:06:41   other thing is I don't think that they

01:06:43   want to make a physically bigger fun

01:06:45   like to me what's ridiculous with the

01:06:47   android hope not

01:06:49   giant phones is not the fact that the

01:06:51   screen is bigger bigger screen is better

01:06:53   in general for a phone but not the

01:06:56   bigger devices are worse right to me

01:06:59   thats the trade-off involved bigger

01:07:01   screen

01:07:02   yes terrific bigger device heavier takes

01:07:05   up more space in your pocket harder to

01:07:06   hold in one hand I not good so I you

01:07:10   know

01:07:10   yeah why not if they can keep the device

01:07:13   the same size and devote more of the

01:07:15   front face to the screen

01:07:18   why not I because I'm holding my phone

01:07:22   in my hand right now and I i can

01:07:25   comfortably well i can not completely

01:07:27   comfortably but I can touch all four

01:07:29   corners with my thumb if it gets well

01:07:32   maybe if it gets taller actually think

01:07:34   right especially if you think that upper

01:07:37   corner me and even that one but still

01:07:38   pretty close and if you did if it were a

01:07:40   half of it were at the top half the

01:07:42   extra pixels are at the top and half her

01:07:43   at the bottom I to me i don't think it

01:07:47   really would make that big of a

01:07:49   difference it might be a little bit

01:07:50   harder to get there in the corner but I

01:07:52   mean I think Apple clearly you know is

01:07:54   aware of that everybody knows that they

01:07:56   take these phones out i'm sure if you

01:07:57   went to any beer garden in the san jose

01:08:01   area greater cupertino area you can see

01:08:03   dozens of these phones being used

01:08:05   recklessly and left behind on some

01:08:09   barstools any night of the week

01:08:10   I mean they famously test these things

01:08:12   you know you're not going to make it so

01:08:14   big that you can't get that it's harder

01:08:16   to get the corner to corner they found a

01:08:18   bet they have a case that makes it look

01:08:19   like a galaxy tab or galaxy note I with

01:08:26   a stylus on this so i think it's totally

01:08:28   believable what I would not believe

01:08:29   would be if if these reports are coming

01:08:31   out saying that Apple is going to make a

01:08:33   phone that is a lot bigger physically

01:08:35   bigger nah you know everything I've

01:08:39   heard is that if they go to a bigger

01:08:40   screen

01:08:41   it's bigger than that one dimension same

01:08:43   physical size dollars right and I've

01:08:45   also talked about this that the way that

01:08:47   they make these screens is they make I'm

01:08:51   and I'm you know I could be talking out

01:08:53   of my ass here but my understanding is

01:08:55   away LCD screens are made is that they

01:08:57   make big big sheets of these things and

01:09:00   they find sect they identify sections

01:09:02   that are known you know that don't have

01:09:03   dead pixels and then they come cut them

01:09:07   to size so it's like they don't like

01:09:09   imagine a big sheet of paper and then

01:09:11   you just a hot little three-and-a-half

01:09:13   inch rectangles out of it and boom

01:09:15   here's an iphone screen here is an

01:09:16   iphone screen so if they the way that

01:09:19   they would make these screens as they

01:09:20   would be using the exact same sheets as

01:09:22   the current iphone retina display and

01:09:25   they would just be cutting slightly

01:09:26   taller rectangles out of them and if you

01:09:30   think of that you know that sounds crazy

01:09:32   that sounds crazy I mean you're probably

01:09:35   right i mean but because i know nothing

01:09:37   about that but that just sounds like

01:09:38   you're making taffy sort I think it sort

01:09:40   of is

01:09:41   and and so from an economies of scale

01:09:43   perspective and this sort of the tim

01:09:46   cook uh you don't have to retool and

01:09:49   exactly is it you wait you wait another

01:09:51   nanosecond as the things coming through

01:09:53   in the crate from a Tim Cook operational

01:09:56   genius perspective it makes a lot of

01:09:58   sense right and that's also the argument

01:10:02   behind the exact same argument behind

01:10:05   the rumored 7.82 568 inch iPad you know

01:10:12   this always it's just the other way

01:10:14   well it would be the the if you have if

01:10:20   you took a the the iphone 3gs screen the

01:10:24   classic pre retina iphone LCD and you

01:10:30   took a that exact LCD but imagine it as

01:10:33   a big sheet the size of a table and you

01:10:36   cut a 1024 x 768 pixel rectangle out of

01:10:40   it comes out to be exactly 7.82 inches

01:10:44   or something like that which is exactly

01:10:48   the rumored size of the smaller ipod so

01:10:51   in other words they these LCD screens

01:10:53   that Apple has been

01:10:54   producing ever since the first iphone

01:10:57   because that's you know the 3gs has the

01:10:59   exact same LCD displays the original

01:11:02   iphone alright that they're still making

01:11:04   today you know and still is apparently a

01:11:07   pretty popular phone is like the third

01:11:09   most popular phone at AT&T they don't

01:11:12   have to make a new display for and a

01:11:14   smaller ipad they just have to cut

01:11:16   bigger size out of the displays that are

01:11:18   already making right and presumably that

01:11:22   would be you know by Apple's standard

01:11:24   super cheap because they've got you know

01:11:26   it's old technology you know it's

01:11:28   pre-read meds right right

01:11:31   never tried one of these super-sized

01:11:34   phones now iĆ­ve I've got the you've got

01:11:39   it you've got a couple of what you've

01:11:41   got a windows mi6 lumia I got the loop

01:11:45   and I have the lumiere you know you have

01:11:46   a looming have the Lumia 800 though not

01:11:48   the 911 is on sale but it's i love it i

01:11:51   like it better and I've I've I've tried

01:11:54   the 900 I i think the 800 is better i

01:11:58   like what i really do because it's more

01:11:59   comfortable in my hand

01:12:01   it's it is very very roughly it is

01:12:05   iphone sized more or less but like this

01:12:08   rumored for enjoy iphone it's got a 3.7

01:12:11   inch screen it's a good cause it's 69 I

01:12:15   so it's taller

01:12:16   it's got to be no more of the front a

01:12:18   little bit more of the front face is

01:12:19   devoted to the screen then on the iphone

01:12:21   and i find that nothing but pleasing but

01:12:24   it fits in my hand like the iphone and

01:12:27   and you know so it's a little bit bigger

01:12:30   it's like it's not quite four inches

01:12:33   it's like 3.75 inches diagonal but I

01:12:35   don't have any trouble going corner to

01:12:36   corner with my thumb's just feels great

01:12:39   my hand but the the Galaxy Nexus the top

01:12:44   of the line android phone which is I

01:12:45   think I swear I'm not making this up i

01:12:47   think it's like a four point eight inch

01:12:49   display

01:12:50   ah it's it's just too big it's too big

01:12:55   to use with one hand it really is it is

01:12:57   it's nice to use with two hands it you

01:12:59   know and and I'm not surprised and I'll

01:13:03   i think i've said this before the way

01:13:05   that android is meant to work where

01:13:07   they're supposed to be a variety

01:13:08   devices not surprised at all that some

01:13:12   people would prefer a sort of as big as

01:13:15   a phone could get without being laughed

01:13:17   at phone right I'm not surprised at all

01:13:20   that there's a lot of I'm not either and

01:13:22   that's the whole advantage of the that

01:13:24   that whole model that you can get this

01:13:26   sort of variety that you're never going

01:13:27   to get from apple because Apple is

01:13:30   insane about these economies of scale

01:13:32   and they're not going to make a fuck you

01:13:34   know 222 new phones that are only

01:13:37   slightly different you know in size are

01:13:39   not going to do it

01:13:40   I'm still shocked that there are 4000

01:13:44   distinct android roms I mean that just

01:13:48   seems like a crazy number this is a from

01:13:52   arstechnica Casey Jones to johnston

01:13:56   android fragmentation one developer

01:13:58   encounter street 3997 devices just I i

01:14:08   mean i have no idea how you mean I saw

01:14:13   how that happens you see their story the

01:14:15   other day about the game developer who

01:14:17   took a picture of their testing room and

01:14:20   they have all their android phones out

01:14:21   on one table wasn't 4,000 phones but

01:14:24   they had like a table with ya a hundred

01:14:25   android phones off yeah yeah and 3,000

01:14:32   of them were from Samsung I wonder you

01:14:34   know just to play devil's ack just to

01:14:37   play devil's advocate for a second you

01:14:39   know it is it fair to say that it did

01:14:42   say that there's 4,000 phones you have

01:14:44   to support and how is that different

01:14:45   than with your windows developer and the

01:14:48   number of pcs that are out there i mean

01:14:50   it's probably almost infinite the number

01:14:54   of different pcs yeah but on the other

01:14:58   hand I don't see windows developers did

01:15:02   must be some some other differences that

01:15:05   must be harder it must be different with

01:15:07   mobile because you don't see windows you

01:15:08   help her say our new games too many

01:15:11   devices right well they don't have like

01:15:13   a list our game runs on the HP pavilion

01:15:15   blah blah blah

01:15:16   the samsung well for years some sound

01:15:19   cards have always been a big yeah issue

01:15:21   and

01:15:21   videocards I mean those two things being

01:15:23   really for game development it is a pain

01:15:25   in the ass and they have to you know

01:15:27   they have to be really careful about

01:15:28   what they do and try and hit the top

01:15:30   that's you know how call that probably

01:15:34   exactly it is that android is back in

01:15:36   the pre microsoft sort of put the hammer

01:15:40   down and sort of said look enough of

01:15:42   this nonsense with sound cards and stuff

01:15:44   like that if you want if you want to run

01:15:46   the new version of windows you've got to

01:15:47   have this that you know all of these

01:15:50   people doesn't seem google doesn't have

01:15:51   that lever right I think that's the

01:15:53   difference is that Microsoft cleaned up

01:15:56   I mean as fragmented is the pc market

01:15:58   can be at a certain point microsoft said

01:16:01   look here's the baseline and it covered

01:16:03   everything

01:16:05   it covered everything from the processor

01:16:07   to the video to the sound card and you

01:16:09   can use whatever you want but it

01:16:11   these are the minimum requirements and

01:16:12   if you don't meet all these minimum

01:16:13   requirements you don't get windows and

01:16:15   if you don't have windows good luck

01:16:17   selling your pc right huh

01:16:19   and it really did help and I think

01:16:20   that's exactly where android is sort of

01:16:23   back in the you've got to have a certain

01:16:24   certain sound card and you've got to be

01:16:27   able to run opengl 4.1 you know a good

01:16:30   luck with your about typical person

01:16:32   knowing whether their android phone is

01:16:35   capable of the newest version of OpenGL

01:16:37   this map of the map of all the different

01:16:41   device types that looks like a resident

01:16:43   mandal brought yeah it's just like it

01:16:47   because it has that the major ones over

01:16:49   the left and it could get that the size

01:16:51   is a proportional size for each square

01:16:53   is that there is the the number of

01:16:55   devices out there and this gets smaller

01:16:58   and smaller and smaller smaller it's

01:16:59   like it's like it's a fractal this is

01:17:02   crazy

01:17:08   things we don't have all developers

01:17:11   don't worry about now what else is going

01:17:16   on

01:17:16   sometimes I wanted to talk to you about

01:17:18   about this ashton kutcher dress like

01:17:22   steve jobs now

01:17:23   yeah yeah I think I really don't care i

01:17:27   really i have no hopes or expectations

01:17:30   for either of these two movies and I

01:17:33   mean just I have people seem to get why

01:17:37   that Ashton Kutcher and like and then

01:17:40   excited about Sorkin writing the other

01:17:44   one and I just I really do not care

01:17:47   alright I think I'm with you on that I

01:17:48   I'm i don't care i would be great i hope

01:17:51   both movies are good

01:17:52   I I hope they're great i hope i hope

01:17:54   every movie that's ever made is great

01:17:55   but it's not gonna happen but here's the

01:17:57   thing and I mentioned this in my wife

01:18:00   pointed out and I'd sort of thought

01:18:01   about my wife really called it out is

01:18:04   what the hell is he doing dressed as

01:18:06   Steve Jobs out getting coffee like it is

01:18:08   he was he on his way to the set do

01:18:11   actors typically oh I assumed i ii III

01:18:14   assumed that it will I assume that was

01:18:16   part of it was photographed like coming

01:18:18   out of a starbucks right

01:18:20   he always ok he's got like a like a cup

01:18:22   of coffee I guys coffee in his hand and

01:18:24   he's dressed like still looks like he's

01:18:25   trying to walk like steve jobs too but

01:18:28   he's got like young Steve Jobs Herot

01:18:31   yeah and then a an old Steve Jobs is

01:18:35   outfit on

01:18:36   yeah like jobs when he had a thick head

01:18:39   full of hair never wore that outfit my

01:18:43   knowledge that the black turtleneck and

01:18:45   jeans and new balance thing was a like

01:18:48   1997 was spotted as he made his way to

01:18:51   the set of the late Apple CEOs biopic so

01:18:56   yeah he's got like a nice home I thought

01:18:58   I see my thought is that maybe he's

01:19:00   doing like some kind of method actor

01:19:02   right now if he wants to be Steve John

01:19:06   screens gotta be him all the time is

01:19:08   good and that maybe he's not in costume

01:19:12   he's that's just what he's wearing in

01:19:14   his daily life now to to stay in that

01:19:16   Steve Jobs mindset and then he shows

01:19:19   firing a person every day right like

01:19:21   he shows up and then to get the costume

01:19:23   he's playing Steve Jobs circle like 1982

01:19:25   and he's putting on like a plaid shirt

01:19:28   and and somebody's Jordache jeans or

01:19:30   whatever the hell jobs where back then

01:19:32   and that he's just doing this and and

01:19:34   amy was like ugh I mean you really i

01:19:37   mean yeah i actually quicker method

01:19:38   actor he's like the next Bob dinner on

01:19:40   like I'm not saying it's good acting

01:19:41   advice i'm saying it seems to me like

01:19:43   the sort of crazy idea ashton kutcher

01:19:45   would get his hair about how he needs to

01:19:47   be right i'm not saying that this is how

01:19:50   good actor needs to do it

01:19:52   yeah you know i don't i don't think he

01:19:55   read it read it in a book somewhere

01:19:57   right i don't and an in-flight magazine

01:20:00   I don't think Robert Downey jr. had to

01:20:01   you know where the Iron Man suit out to

01:20:03   get coffee just to get in the donuts you

01:20:06   order to get diets that they're like

01:20:08   just roll just roll with it roll roll

01:20:10   camera

01:20:11   this is great I yeah I I just have a

01:20:17   hard time getting worked up over it and

01:20:20   i hope the whole thing seems kind of

01:20:24   dumb about the this is a good one

01:20:29   Glenn Britt CEO of time warner cable and

01:20:33   I'm not sure I know what airplay is so

01:20:39   utterly unsurprising no not submit see

01:20:43   so clearly telling like it would be one

01:20:47   thing if the CEO of Time Warner Cable

01:20:49   blew off airplay if it was asked about

01:20:52   it in public and just said you know I

01:20:54   just don't really think it's that

01:20:55   relevant to I don't think it's relevant

01:20:57   or something like that but to be genuine

01:21:00   seemingly genuinely confused and say you

01:21:02   don't know what it is you know and I

01:21:05   don't think that again i don't think

01:21:06   this is the sort of thing that that you

01:21:09   and I in and guys on our racket kinda

01:21:11   have to get our heads around is covering

01:21:13   Apple the industry Goliath as opposed to

01:21:16   apple the upstart right and I don't

01:21:20   think again I don't think it's being a

01:21:22   apple fanboy to say hey airplay is an

01:21:25   important technology I think that it's

01:21:27   hey if your business is showing people

01:21:31   TV shows and video you've got me how can

01:21:34   you

01:21:35   not be worried about what a best buy it

01:21:37   seems like that's just a problem with

01:21:39   that kind of that kind of executives in

01:21:42   that industry

01:21:43   I'm i wouldn't be surprised if none of

01:21:46   them know what I'm right there they're

01:21:48   much more focused on making deals with

01:21:52   partners then they are you know on

01:21:56   technology but if I'm if I'm the CEO of

01:21:58   Time Warner Cable I would be terrified

01:22:00   of apple i would be so power or paranoid

01:22:04   at least maybe terrified the wrong word

01:22:06   but i would be paranoid about apple and

01:22:09   I would look at anything Apple did that

01:22:11   was even vaguely related to TV movies

01:22:15   and video and I would study that with a

01:22:18   fine-tooth comb because their apple

01:22:20   there the hundred billion dollar-a-year

01:22:22   the Wyeth well that would be the smart

01:22:25   thing to do hey I think we're we're

01:22:29   already beyond that now but and I do I

01:22:31   just think it's one of those ways that

01:22:32   Apple is it because they were dormant

01:22:37   for so long that people underestimate

01:22:40   them like i don't think that that if you

01:22:45   know to go back 10 years to when

01:22:46   Microsoft was the you know began to

01:22:49   circle back to the Department of Justice

01:22:50   area that late nineties microsoft I

01:22:53   think that CEO of Time Warner knew

01:22:55   exactly what Microsoft's like set-top TV

01:22:58   plans were at the time may not have been

01:22:59   worried about him but I think he was

01:23:01   aware of them because they were

01:23:03   dangerous right i guess i guess i don't

01:23:09   know Nina I mean I don't you know I was

01:23:13   then I really don't know I mean I have

01:23:15   no recollection of reading anything

01:23:18   about it at the time and no i haven't

01:23:21   followed that industry that closely like

01:23:23   that but it just seems like these guys

01:23:26   don't operate that way it's their heads

01:23:30   are so far up their asses

01:23:32   it's ridiculous right so like a mg

01:23:35   Siegler has been banging a drum on this

01:23:36   thing forever with HBO shows not being

01:23:39   available

01:23:40   yeah to buy right and just was somebody

01:23:46   did a study last week we figured out

01:23:48   that

01:23:48   game of thrones is like the most pirated

01:23:51   TV show ever and it's like do not see

01:23:56   the connection between the fact that you

01:23:58   can't buy the episodes until like a year

01:24:02   and a half after they're done airing

01:24:03   then they'll come out with him on like

01:24:05   then they'll put him on apple TV and put

01:24:06   out the DVD F and the fact that it's the

01:24:09   most pirated show right on television

01:24:12   and they're in their response is

01:24:13   basically the beatings will be taking a

01:24:15   little around for exactly you know we're

01:24:18   getting now you're going to need to buy

01:24:20   you ticket i mean in order i forget what

01:24:23   this is but you know like you need to

01:24:25   have a cable subscription in order to

01:24:27   get her conscious yes and online this is

01:24:30   the thing that ties in with airplay and

01:24:32   i find it very frustrating for me and

01:24:33   particular with Game of Thrones so i

01:24:35   didn't watch Game of Thrones last year

01:24:36   my new policy on TV shows and it has

01:24:38   served me very well is I don't want any

01:24:41   new shows and I wait until season one is

01:24:44   over and if people are still saying good

01:24:46   things about it then maybe I'll buy the

01:24:49   whole thing and I'll watch the pilot and

01:24:52   if it's good then I'll buy the whole

01:24:53   series and watch them again a binge like

01:24:55   seven nights and yeah I and I did that

01:24:58   with Game of Thrones and I enjoyed it

01:24:59   very much unsurprisingly as a geek I you

01:25:02   know thought it was terrific fun and

01:25:04   very well done and and sort of you know

01:25:07   like a nice that I let's take this sort

01:25:10   of vaguely dungeons and dragon milieu

01:25:14   and end right up the production values

01:25:17   and sort of take it in a realistic

01:25:18   quote-unquote and you and you famously

01:25:22   did not like the Lord does not like the

01:25:24   lord of the rings yeah and that is very

01:25:26   famous so that's interesting i have not

01:25:29   see I'm not seeing it and I have plans

01:25:31   to see it and I'm looking forward to

01:25:34   watching it the game of Thrones Game of

01:25:36   Thrones because I i want to get into it

01:25:39   and I all but at the same time I also

01:25:41   know that season two is still area that

01:25:44   was a trip and I'm really think that

01:25:48   what's gonna happen is I'm gonna watch

01:25:49   these one and then I'm gonna want season

01:25:50   to immediately and I won't be able to

01:25:51   get it for you know 48 months or

01:25:54   whatever HBO signs so I've been away i'm

01:25:58   kind of like I know I want to watch it

01:26:00   but I'm holding on for a little longer

01:26:01   to

01:26:02   to try and shorten that time frame

01:26:04   because of this stuff because they want

01:26:10   well I just the thing we could put it up

01:26:11   on on itunes that the insane frustration

01:26:13   for me is that they have this HBO Go app

01:26:16   which is actually pretty well done and

01:26:18   it's a real paint to set up at first

01:26:22   because it's not you they don't just

01:26:23   want your money you can't just stay here

01:26:24   let me pay you twenty dollars a month

01:26:26   and watch all of your stuff you have to

01:26:28   have like you said you have to have a

01:26:30   cable subscription that has HBO right we

01:26:34   do so you sign in i sign in with my

01:26:37   comcast ID and a comcast password and

01:26:41   HBO verifies it they've you know they've

01:26:43   I guess it's one of the benefits of the

01:26:46   fact that there's only a handful of

01:26:47   giant cable companies now but you know

01:26:51   comcast clearly a big one so I all of

01:26:55   correction i'm sorry xfinity right

01:26:57   that's what the comcast is the company

01:26:59   and xfinity is that the cable service

01:27:01   because everybody started associating

01:27:04   comcast with crap but anyway but i have

01:27:07   it be smart smart move there

01:27:09   I have it will let you know that's the

01:27:11   bed again the benefits of changing name

01:27:13   but right exactly i have it and it works

01:27:16   and so I can watch season two game of

01:27:18   thrones on my ipad or iphone but I don't

01:27:21   want to watch them on my ipad or iphone

01:27:22   i have a big giant hundred sixty eight

01:27:24   inch TV in my living room that I want to

01:27:26   watch it on and it doesn't support

01:27:28   airplay and it doesn't support the

01:27:30   whatever the dingus you connect to the

01:27:34   bottom you know the video out thing the

01:27:36   thing you put you connected in the

01:27:37   30-pin dock and then put an hdmi to your

01:27:40   TV so you can hear it doesn't support

01:27:42   that like it gives you this because i

01:27:46   thought i was being clever and I thought

01:27:47   that I thought that worked with anything

01:27:49   I thought you could always mirror your

01:27:51   iPad or iPhone onto the TV with that

01:27:53   thing but you connect it when you fire

01:27:55   up the HP HBO Go app and the system

01:27:58   gives you this error that's sort of like

01:27:59   the jackasses who run the company behind

01:28:02   half you've given won't allow their

01:28:05   content to go out over the hdmi cables

01:28:08   that is connected to this iphone i know

01:28:11   you can't believe this

01:28:13   and I know that they've done all this

01:28:15   stuff and verified that you've got a

01:28:18   cable subscription that are already

01:28:19   paying them and there's really no

01:28:22   possible argument that could be made

01:28:24   that preventing this from being played

01:28:25   on the TV makes any sense whatsoever but

01:28:28   you've got to believe us

01:28:30   cancel or ok right

01:28:33   do you have a gmail right yes but so

01:28:37   what are you recorded on the tivo well

01:28:39   one problem is that i started get i did

01:28:43   the whole season one game of throne

01:28:45   things after season to start so i

01:28:47   mislike the first episode or something

01:28:48   anyway any other problem okay so the

01:28:50   other problem so you're so HBO Go shows

01:28:53   you older stuff

01:28:54   yes well no but you can also i no no no

01:29:00   no HBO Go has all of the game of thrones

01:29:03   like you can see it yeah that's that's

01:29:04   what I mean it will show you but my tivo

01:29:06   recording it from HBO can't go back in

01:29:09   time to get right episode one of season

01:29:10   that's that's once and the other problem

01:29:12   that that we have is that we have a dual

01:29:17   cablecard tivo yeah and one of the cable

01:29:22   cards works perfectly and the second one

01:29:25   works for anything except the HBO and it

01:29:30   just gives you a black screen and you

01:29:31   can tell the tivo hey that cable car

01:29:33   doesn't get it so if fifty percent of

01:29:35   the time we try to record something on

01:29:36   HBO

01:29:37   it's it's just black and everybody

01:29:41   thinks well why don't you just call

01:29:43   comcast and have this fixed and the

01:29:44   reason is that we had guys out here like

01:29:49   four times to get these they don't want

01:29:51   to give you cablecard that's the thing

01:29:53   and so when they send you it's super

01:29:55   passive-aggressive and they send like

01:29:56   their worst text and the guy never

01:29:58   showed up with more than two cable cards

01:30:00   and usually it would be like one didn't

01:30:05   work at all and then he would say well

01:30:07   you know what you want to do and i would

01:30:09   say well that one doesn't work at all i

01:30:12   would like to have to that work which is

01:30:15   what I'm paying for anybody all right

01:30:16   well would what they are going to be

01:30:17   here schedule another guy to come out

01:30:19   and then another guy would come out with

01:30:21   two cable cards and would take the other

01:30:22   two

01:30:23   and i would say what can you just leave

01:30:25   that one that seems to be working in and

01:30:27   just replace the other one he said no no

01:30:29   it's already been canceled because well

01:30:30   soon as i showed up and I hit this

01:30:32   button your old cable cards were di

01:30:34   they're like sim card sort of my old sim

01:30:37   card you know the old these old cable

01:30:38   cars deactivated and you have to use

01:30:40   these two and then one only got you know

01:30:42   these channels and one didn't get the

01:30:44   and that fourth time the guy had showed

01:30:46   up again and i said i would say like

01:30:48   four the fourth point can you tell the

01:30:50   guy to bring more than two and they'd be

01:30:52   like oh yeah I put a note in the thing

01:30:54   bring a bunch of me and I shows up he's

01:30:56   got to only 21 worked perfectly the

01:30:59   other one worked with everything except

01:31:01   HBO and Amy and I looked at each other

01:31:03   like could you get out of here go go

01:31:05   that's why I don't have game of thrones

01:31:07   son on HBO

01:31:10   but i have it on like HBO Go app and I

01:31:12   can't hear play it to my TV even though

01:31:15   it's right here and in the tvs right

01:31:16   there at the time was a when coding that

01:31:21   app they can choose to make the appt not

01:31:23   airplane yep and they can also choose to

01:31:26   make it not hdmi out enabled right which

01:31:32   you know and I presume that if Apple

01:31:35   hadn't made those things available that

01:31:38   there would not be an H that they would

01:31:40   rather not even have any would never

01:31:41   have done it the first price because

01:31:44   they don't want people right but i

01:31:45   honestly can't see what they're what the

01:31:48   argument is I like whoever it is who has

01:31:50   that like yes or no I mean you are

01:31:53   you're already paying for it on your and

01:31:55   they verify it and they that it is i

01:31:58   don't see write it I just feel like it

01:32:04   would be like if I could find the guy at

01:32:05   hbl who has the authority the guy who

01:32:08   could say all right let's turn airplay

01:32:10   on in next release

01:32:11   I can make this happen if i say if I've

01:32:13   signed my name on this line right here i

01:32:16   would love to have an argument with that

01:32:17   guy and see what he you know I I feel

01:32:21   though that if they had the argument

01:32:22   with him that his explanation he would

01:32:24   use like biz dev terms that was your

01:32:28   that would give me like like a headache

01:32:30   like I wouldn't i would come out of it

01:32:32   and not actually understand what he said

01:32:34   like I would come out like I just

01:32:37   the conversation in German which I don't

01:32:40   speak it's just unbelievable

01:32:47   I mean we don't we don't have cable

01:32:49   anymore we got rid of it just I just

01:32:53   said I was gonna buy everything off of

01:32:55   itunes from now on I mean because I

01:32:56   there's so much about broadcast

01:32:59   television that makes me angry and and

01:33:02   particularly about the cable companies

01:33:03   that makes me angry that house that

01:33:04   we're into coma though we have the nice

01:33:08   thing is that we have actually have

01:33:09   cable competition because the city has

01:33:11   their own cable network so you can get

01:33:15   cable TV through comcast or through the

01:33:18   city of tacoma which is kind of nice

01:33:21   because i feel like when i compare what

01:33:24   we paid to what my parents are paying

01:33:25   Connecticut it's just funny how that

01:33:28   works

01:33:29   that's absurd whatever yeah strangers in

01:33:32   there that's the thing is the the hell

01:33:34   of living in Philadelphia is that our

01:33:35   city offers cable to call it was already

01:33:38   called comcast oh yeah I walked right

01:33:42   into it because we are of course cable

01:33:44   time

01:33:45   yeah how's that working out for you

01:33:48   though I think giving the company the

01:33:52   carpet no they're not having to not

01:33:54   having cable without having or not

01:33:55   having uh I pretty good we're obviously

01:33:59   not watching as much baseball's we used

01:34:02   to watch yeah and I can I could get that

01:34:05   I could get them usually maybe then you

01:34:07   wouldn't it wasn't here to let your

01:34:09   teams you have a local seattle team

01:34:10   right here certain that's right part of

01:34:14   the problem so and then you know even if

01:34:16   I could watch them be watching watching

01:34:18   them lose so that's part of why i'm not

01:34:22   watching too much television much

01:34:24   baseball anymore either

01:34:25   but yeah I mean I just we have worked

01:34:29   out the math and i did just made before

01:34:31   the amount of television that we were

01:34:32   watching the amount of shows that we're

01:34:33   watching it made more sense to buy them

01:34:34   off of itunes then two then to pay 55

01:34:39   bucks a month or whatever look and

01:34:41   that's just to start

01:34:42   I mean everybody i forget what yeah we

01:34:44   were getting right we weren't getting

01:34:46   any premium I mean many premium channels

01:34:48   so

01:34:50   we've got HBO but we don't have that

01:34:52   then there's I don't know it's it's it's

01:34:54   like trying to buy a car and there's

01:34:56   seven different types of leather you can

01:34:58   get for the sea I mean it's so

01:34:59   complicated but we don't even have

01:35:01   nearly the top tier of cable but we paid

01:35:03   we do have HBO but we pay return item

01:35:05   five hundred dollars a month or

01:35:06   something ridiculous really stink that's

01:35:11   a package

01:35:12   yeah came with a hat you get you

01:35:15   you can also not watch your shows by

01:35:18   airplane right as part of the package

01:35:22   xfinity yeah terrible name

01:35:26   no it's not no it's not a good that a

01:35:28   good name but I mean at the same time it

01:35:30   probably was a good good idea on their

01:35:31   part to name it something comcast night

01:35:34   online cable town they should have gone

01:35:37   with cable town they should just embrace

01:35:39   it

01:35:40   yes that's the name like the we're

01:35:46   talking about ECAM the other day

01:35:50   yeah that sounds good company

01:35:53   nice guys name that sounds like it's

01:35:55   from a different era that's what we were

01:35:58   talking about how we got back on their

01:35:59   the mac connection kick right ECAM

01:36:01   sounds sort of like one of those em back

01:36:04   at the catalog back of the maggots back

01:36:06   of the magazine we sell everything and

01:36:07   anything electronics sort of like radio

01:36:10   shack without the class they never they

01:36:15   never went full into that Reaper

01:36:16   rebranding they were going to do

01:36:18   Shaq Shaq yeah they did I forgot about

01:36:21   that a little I think you like everyone

01:36:22   will get a flier and it will say

01:36:24   somewhere on the shack or something like

01:36:25   that and you know that they those fliers

01:36:27   that get stuck in the middle newspaper

01:36:29   or the just dumped in the mail but I

01:36:32   thought they were going to really like

01:36:33   to the signs down and called the shack

01:36:36   nope it's a darn shame all right I say

01:36:43   we call the show

01:36:45   alright alright thanks John John

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