The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► big upset last night right wait on me

00:00:02 ◼   ► what the hand big win last night right

00:00:05 ◼   ► what who the yanks yea big win

00:00:09 ◼   ► yeah did you hear about Jeter the season

00:00:12 ◼   ► ii he's turning 37 and he's still

00:00:16 ◼   ► killing it and yeah he is batting

00:00:19 ◼   ► average what with 341 batting average he

00:00:22 ◼   ► kidding me that's currently the

00:00:24 ◼   ► ninth-best average this season job for

00:00:29 ◼   ► pretty good case I mean my god i just

00:00:33 ◼   ► put myself to sleep i mean i like the

00:00:35 ◼   ► way that you you predicted the homework

00:00:38 ◼   ► you needed to do before appearing on the

00:00:40 ◼   ► show it

00:00:41 ◼   ► yeah as I asked JP who works with me i

00:00:44 ◼   ► asked the the right-hand man JP to give

00:00:48 ◼   ► me some baseball my period that actually

00:00:51 ◼   ► was pretty good

00:00:52 ◼   ► ok good so now we're done with that

00:00:54 ◼   ► we're down with that everybody can come

00:00:56 ◼   ► back

00:00:57 ◼   ► what's new with you nothing that's love

00:01:02 ◼   ► week

00:01:03 ◼   ► yeah all right well then I'm sure we can

00:01:07 ◼   ► find something to talk about

00:01:09 ◼   ► it's been really slow week but a good

00:01:12 ◼   ► slow week right LOL not at all stressful

00:01:14 ◼   ► a little stressful controversy pre very

00:01:20 ◼   ► quiet on on the Twitter to it must be a

00:01:24 ◼   ► nightmare could keep up with your

00:01:26 ◼   ► Twitter your Twitter conversation your

00:01:30 ◼   ► stream do you even bother now usually do

00:01:33 ◼   ► you get the toe or do you just obsessed

00:01:37 ◼   ► you do you do you dive right in and

00:01:38 ◼   ► spend six hours usually doesn't take six

00:01:41 ◼   ► hours but sometimes the heads

00:01:44 ◼   ► yeah are responsive have you been to

00:01:47 ◼   ► this last this last round of carefully

00:01:50 ◼   ► I've been as I think a lot of people

00:01:53 ◼   ► have observed utterly unresponsive

00:01:55 ◼   ► whoo-hoo well I mean but in bye-bye

00:01:59 ◼   ► design our depth definitely but pop

00:02:02 ◼   ► probably slightly by mistake I talk to

00:02:07 ◼   ► me

00:02:07 ◼   ► well I last week's show I very

00:02:12 ◼   ► deliberate and I just didn't want to put

00:02:14 ◼   ► gold multi on the spot and I felt like

00:02:17 ◼   ► that was a lot to ask to sort of face

00:02:23 ◼   ► the unpleasantness and it and address it

00:02:24 ◼   ► so we didn't completely ignored there is

00:02:26 ◼   ► a little bit of banter at the beginning

00:02:28 ◼   ► about being new at this and doing things

00:02:31 ◼   ► differently but for the most part we

00:02:34 ◼   ► just pretended like the the great

00:02:36 ◼   ► unpleasantness wasn't there and that was

00:02:37 ◼   ► my idea and I just didn't want to put

00:02:39 ◼   ► notes on the spot and you know and then

00:02:42 ◼   ► I thought you know what that's not right

00:02:43 ◼   ► though in a way I think it I think it

00:02:45 ◼   ► ended up playing very poorly because my

00:02:49 ◼   ► take on his I i'm not going to explain

00:02:51 ◼   ► everything but I whatever i am going to

00:02:53 ◼   ► explain is going to be completely honest

00:02:55 ◼   ► and I in a sense ignoring that elephant

00:02:59 ◼   ► in the room is a form of dishonesty

00:03:01 ◼   ► so then I thought to myself well who can

00:03:03 ◼   ► I put on the spot and make extremely

00:03:07 ◼   ► uncomfortable believe i am doing the

00:03:11 ◼   ► thing with my shirt collar right now

00:03:13 ◼   ► exactly and I don't of course I thought

00:03:15 ◼   ► of you and no one else i don't i don't

00:03:17 ◼   ► mind at all

00:03:18 ◼   ► let's have it out let's let's come to

00:03:20 ◼   ► some-some epiphanies let's cry a little

00:03:26 ◼   ► we can just or not you know you can just

00:03:30 ◼   ► you can come clean or it and if you want

00:03:32 ◼   ► to you can just air grievances if there

00:03:37 ◼   ► are no I wouldn't do that Donaire

00:03:38 ◼   ► grievances I picked up a new hobby

00:03:40 ◼   ► recently what's that drinking I just

00:03:44 ◼   ► can't tell you how if you already

00:03:46 ◼   ► ok alright in preparation because he

00:03:50 ◼   ► knew you were going to be as to

00:03:52 ◼   ► unleashing some stuff some good i said

00:03:54 ◼   ► you know i will tell you i will tell you

00:03:56 ◼   ► the truth the truth is but in that

00:03:58 ◼   ► regard I I we're recording Harris is a

00:04:01 ◼   ► wednesday the 23rd as we record 2 p.m.

00:04:04 ◼   ► my time East Coast 11am your your time

00:04:08 ◼   ► west coast and 15 minutes ago in mice

00:04:11 ◼   ► copious show prep wanted to get a big

00:04:16 ◼   ► glass of of water and

00:04:19 ◼   ► was thinking now about what we're going

00:04:22 ◼   ► to say what we're going to talk about

00:04:23 ◼   ► and I got halfway through making a

00:04:26 ◼   ► martini I actually filled the shaker

00:04:28 ◼   ► with ice right i should say halfway but

00:04:30 ◼   ► I feel the shaker with ice and before I

00:04:32 ◼   ► realize what I was doing a given problem

00:04:36 ◼   ► i don't know why but you know we can do

00:04:39 ◼   ► we can talk about it we shall we should

00:04:41 ◼   ► talk about it we should remember that I

00:04:43 ◼   ► don't mean to make jokes and be joking

00:04:45 ◼   ► and try to be funny but ok I think

00:04:47 ◼   ► there's some things to talk about their

00:04:49 ◼   ► right and I'd feel like you know you

00:04:51 ◼   ► can't the show can't go on by pretending

00:04:52 ◼   ► that it didn't happen right

00:04:54 ◼   ► alright so now that it's it's it's a new

00:04:57 ◼   ► it's a new venture it's a new show that

00:05:00 ◼   ► what is the idea are you going to have

00:05:02 ◼   ► is it going to be you on Mike with a

00:05:04 ◼   ► different co-host for every episode or

00:05:07 ◼   ► do you have you planned that far in

00:05:08 ◼   ► advance hit you know I haven't planned

00:05:12 ◼   ► that far in advance

00:05:12 ◼   ► obviously it's not going to be John

00:05:15 ◼   ► Smoltz every week I so I don't know for

00:05:20 ◼   ► now my my idea is I have a whole list of

00:05:22 ◼   ► people who i would like to have on just

00:05:24 ◼   ► with me I haven't asked all of them and

00:05:27 ◼   ► I've had some of them but it's at least

00:05:30 ◼   ► in a couple of weeks of chock-full of

00:05:32 ◼   ► brand-new people who I could sit here

00:05:37 ◼   ► and talk to for an hour

00:05:39 ◼   ► yeah absolutely and I'm going to be

00:05:40 ◼   ► great i have not asked him yet

00:05:42 ◼   ► this is the first the public but just as

00:05:43 ◼   ► an idea haven't asked him I hope he says

00:05:45 ◼   ► yes I think it could be great terrific

00:05:48 ◼   ► fun would be me and paul thurrott oh I

00:05:53 ◼   ► don't know pull the THU rotc t is often

00:06:00 ◼   ► mentioned on Darren parable you don't

00:06:01 ◼   ► know where you never heard of and daring

00:06:03 ◼   ► fireball this is this is TV show

00:06:07 ◼   ► whoops no hay fall I'm just kidding see

00:06:14 ◼   ► this is get this is this is fun because

00:06:16 ◼   ► this is going to be largely I think you

00:06:18 ◼   ► took teaching me about things that I

00:06:21 ◼   ► should know as a guest on your show

00:06:22 ◼   ► you'll be mentioning names and products

00:06:27 ◼   ► and things and over and they'll just

00:06:28 ◼   ► completely over my head but i'll pretend

00:06:30 ◼   ► i know now I I should just pretend that

00:06:31 ◼   ► I

00:06:32 ◼   ► what you're talking about now that's

00:06:33 ◼   ► Paul Paul would be great

00:06:35 ◼   ► you and Paul would have a other great

00:06:37 ◼   ► dynamic um you know I would like this to

00:06:40 ◼   ► hear on on the show I was I would love

00:06:42 ◼   ► to hear suggestions i was i think that

00:06:44 ◼   ► you and lob would be great i'll already

00:06:47 ◼   ► on the list go good at Michael op of of

00:06:50 ◼   ► Rands and repose fit came you know but

00:06:54 ◼   ► the common thread of the show is that

00:06:57 ◼   ► you are on every episode correct i guess

00:07:01 ◼   ► so consistent a hundred I yeah i believe

00:07:05 ◼   ► so very good so it's just it's group its

00:07:09 ◼   ► Gruber yeah and and future of bold all

00:07:13 ◼   ► caps widely spaced right all right so

00:07:17 ◼   ► it's the Great's the groomer show there

00:07:20 ◼   ► it's just Gruber would you call your

00:07:22 ◼   ► show Gruber in theory yeah I feel like a

00:07:27 ◼   ► lot of people just know us group like

00:07:29 ◼   ► dearie Gruber it's not even daring

00:07:30 ◼   ► fireball honest so it's so did you read

00:07:32 ◼   ► you see what was on gruber not bad did

00:07:37 ◼   ► you did you google this week

00:07:39 ◼   ► oh yeah I'm Gregory was talking about

00:07:41 ◼   ► grouping it might be that might add that

00:07:45 ◼   ► in theory i guide that that's not a that

00:07:49 ◼   ► doesn't strike me as a bad idea right

00:07:51 ◼   ► off the top of the head

00:07:52 ◼   ► I my only thing about that is i'm not

00:07:54 ◼   ► sure though that it would that people

00:07:56 ◼   ► are already saying that about what I do

00:07:57 ◼   ► a daring fireball but what do you mean

00:08:02 ◼   ► like to well that when people people

00:08:04 ◼   ► might say like if if you work in an

00:08:06 ◼   ► office doing the sort of things where

00:08:08 ◼   ► it's possible that multiple people you

00:08:10 ◼   ► work with three daring fireball like

00:08:12 ◼   ► maybe you make iOS apps or websites or

00:08:15 ◼   ► something like that that somebody when

00:08:18 ◼   ► they're referencing something on daring

00:08:19 ◼   ► fireball might just say exactly what you

00:08:21 ◼   ► said hey Yuri Gruber today right

00:08:24 ◼   ► notice we can say and if this but if a

00:08:25 ◼   ► show is called Gruber it would be

00:08:27 ◼   ► ambiguous whether it was the show or

00:08:30 ◼   ► daring fireball would it and as I don't

00:08:33 ◼   ► think i don't know i think it's a pretty

00:08:34 ◼   ► strong brand but was your idea you asked

00:08:37 ◼   ► an email you had an idea for a possible

00:08:39 ◼   ► show title

00:08:39 ◼   ► oh yeah no I i suggest well just as an

00:08:42 ◼   ► example but bad

00:08:43 ◼   ► when I suggested I think picking boogers

00:08:46 ◼   ► with John right and you said that even

00:08:48 ◼   ► that would be successful

00:08:49 ◼   ► yea even that because you know well what

00:08:53 ◼   ► is the talk show it say about that

00:08:55 ◼   ► I always wanted to be honest when and

00:08:57 ◼   ► the talkshow had a I've told you this

00:08:59 ◼   ► before i had a big impact on me from the

00:09:01 ◼   ► very beginning

00:09:01 ◼   ► stylistically influenced the way I

00:09:07 ◼   ► wanted you know you look nice today

00:09:09 ◼   ► sound and I just thought it was a

00:09:11 ◼   ► beautifully babe you know beautifully

00:09:13 ◼   ► devised podcast was on it unlike

00:09:15 ◼   ► anything but what but I I thought to

00:09:19 ◼   ► myself at the time why the hell is it

00:09:21 ◼   ► called the time I mean yeah it's

00:09:22 ◼   ► beautifully simple and everything like

00:09:23 ◼   ► that but what may be a little bit more

00:09:27 ◼   ► specificity or maybe a little bit more

00:09:29 ◼   ► of a of an anchor and you know I feel

00:09:33 ◼   ► like now with this isn't with this

00:09:34 ◼   ► opportunity what you why not do a little

00:09:38 ◼   ► bit of a rethink on it

00:09:40 ◼   ► well that's one way I could have gone i

00:09:43 ◼   ► might take those that i came up with the

00:09:46 ◼   ► name I art-directed the great Greg story

00:09:53 ◼   ► of airbag industries Fame now now at

00:09:57 ◼   ► happy cog for the original branding and

00:10:02 ◼   ► visual design of everything from the

00:10:06 ◼   ► original run right there's two runs of

00:10:08 ◼   ► the talk show this is effectively were

00:10:10 ◼   ► this is talk-show 344 as Apple would

00:10:13 ◼   ► call the new talk show haha that the

00:10:16 ◼   ► first run

00:10:17 ◼   ► we'll just talk show because they don't

00:10:19 ◼   ► put the anything right busy that's the

00:10:23 ◼   ► opposite with the talk show where I

00:10:24 ◼   ► always want that i paid extra money for

00:10:26 ◼   ► the okay with it but it was worth it

00:10:31 ◼   ► so the first one was me and dan from I

00:10:33 ◼   ► believe summer I could be wrong by a

00:10:36 ◼   ► year here summer of two thousand seven

00:10:37 ◼   ► through the end of 2008 no network i

00:10:43 ◼   ► always had the idea of of trying to make

00:10:46 ◼   ► it into a some sort of money making

00:10:48 ◼   ► thing getting some sponsors and i think

00:10:50 ◼   ► i actually don't even remember specific

00:10:52 ◼   ► i think occasionally we found a sponsor

00:10:55 ◼   ► or two but it was it was sort of like

00:10:56 ◼   ► trying

00:10:57 ◼   ► light fire with wet matches just never

00:10:59 ◼   ► took off and ultimately I think that's

00:11:03 ◼   ► sort of what led to the demise of the

00:11:05 ◼   ► show where it went from being pretty

00:11:06 ◼   ► consistently weekly to a couple of times

00:11:10 ◼   ► a month and then very very quickly after

00:11:13 ◼   ► you after you lose that regular

00:11:15 ◼   ► scheduled very quickly spotted out to

00:11:16 ◼   ► all of a sudden there's two months

00:11:18 ◼   ► between episodes and and it was done

00:11:21 ◼   ► oh yeah I and you know that you know

00:11:24 ◼   ► very well it is very very hard to to

00:11:27 ◼   ► keep that going

00:11:28 ◼   ► yeah it's like work it's like it's like

00:11:30 ◼   ► it's like exercises like once when she

00:11:32 ◼   ► stopped it just feels so much better not

00:11:33 ◼   ► to do it right do you find that you guys

00:11:36 ◼   ► have have have reinvigorated you guys

00:11:38 ◼   ► never you guys are like a band that

00:11:39 ◼   ► never broke up but there was sort of a

00:11:41 ◼   ► hiatus with you look nice today but you

00:11:43 ◼   ► guys have have come back i believe

00:11:45 ◼   ► starting three months ago ya think we've

00:11:48 ◼   ► put out three episodes now and you've

00:11:50 ◼   ► got a new schedule where it's going to

00:11:51 ◼   ► be on the second of every month

00:11:53 ◼   ► let's try dropping it on the deuce it's

00:11:54 ◼   ► just about managing expectations though

00:11:56 ◼   ► but it was as if that was a simpson ism

00:12:00 ◼   ► of course all right is that the bed is

00:12:05 ◼   ► that why you picked the second of the

00:12:06 ◼   ► market third they don't have I don't

00:12:08 ◼   ► think so I don't think so it's just so

00:12:10 ◼   ► it just means you know being on a call

00:12:13 ◼   ► recording like we do and then everybody

00:12:17 ◼   ► sipping a little bit of something and

00:12:19 ◼   ► then and then Merlin says we should put

00:12:21 ◼   ► it out on the second of every month and

00:12:22 ◼   ► and Scott goes yeah the deuce the deuce

00:12:25 ◼   ► would drop it on the deuce

00:12:26 ◼   ► what are you going to do in February

00:12:27 ◼   ► when there is no second of the month

00:12:30 ◼   ► well you speak are you talking crazy

00:12:33 ◼   ► right now doesn't that pepperoni has one

00:12:36 ◼   ► day

00:12:40 ◼   ► for a second i had it is like I had to

00:12:42 ◼   ► go back through my elementary school

00:12:44 ◼   ► education and think about whether you're

00:12:47 ◼   ► correct except in leap years in leap

00:12:50 ◼   ► years yet accepted except in would be

00:12:53 ◼   ► leap years that fall on the Millennium

00:12:55 ◼   ► in which case you start on februari

00:12:58 ◼   ► third right so socially we only do 11

00:13:01 ◼   ► per year right you worry about that when

00:13:03 ◼   ► you come to yeah that's like that's like

00:13:05 ◼   ► four years away right

00:13:06 ◼   ► what did you do the monthly thing is you

00:13:08 ◼   ► think it's gonna work out i think it

00:13:10 ◼   ► will

00:13:10 ◼   ► it's hard though it is alright well you

00:13:12 ◼   ► know to do anything

00:13:14 ◼   ► well you got to do with 10,000 times and

00:13:18 ◼   ► we're not even close

00:13:19 ◼   ► so if you you know but I everybody but i

00:13:22 ◼   ► find this in my own my own work my

00:13:25 ◼   ► professional thing if i'm doing if i get

00:13:28 ◼   ► to do like let's say four projects in a

00:13:31 ◼   ► month than by the fourth 1 i'm cooking

00:13:33 ◼   ► with cooking with gas as they say but if

00:13:37 ◼   ► then I you know and I go with a month in

00:13:39 ◼   ► between to the next one that I'm just

00:13:42 ◼   ► like I'm trying I'm having to relearn

00:13:43 ◼   ► everything and why don't my muscles in

00:13:45 ◼   ► the podcast thing or not that strong to

00:13:47 ◼   ► begin with I feel like Merlin Scoggins

00:13:48 ◼   ► pick it up and and run but mine my voice

00:13:52 ◼   ► gets weak very very quickly

00:13:55 ◼   ► yeah so it would suit the show better if

00:13:57 ◼   ► we could actually find a way to to

00:14:00 ◼   ► record on a weekly basis but my nerves

00:14:04 ◼   ► just can't handle it but how can i have

00:14:07 ◼   ► some sort of schedule though is

00:14:09 ◼   ► essential

00:14:09 ◼   ► I really do yeah i mean i don't i mean

00:14:11 ◼   ► maybe there's some sure there's always

00:14:13 ◼   ► an exception and there's somebody out

00:14:14 ◼   ► there with a popular and long-running

00:14:17 ◼   ► podcast with a very inconsistent

00:14:19 ◼   ► schedule but I I could never do that

00:14:22 ◼   ► you got a minute gotta be pretty regular

00:14:24 ◼   ► whether you're going to say weekly or

00:14:25 ◼   ► bi-weekly or monthly or something so do

00:14:28 ◼   ► you do you get nerves when you're

00:14:30 ◼   ► getting on my queen you when you hit

00:14:32 ◼   ► recording go do you feel like that d

00:14:34 ◼   ► Philip tremendous amount of pressure to

00:14:36 ◼   ► record and an hour to two hours of like

00:14:40 ◼   ► quality material

00:14:42 ◼   ► yes definitely and without question

00:14:45 ◼   ► much more so all of a sudden

00:14:49 ◼   ► hey well it's now it's more your thing

00:14:51 ◼   ► right a little bit right well writer you

00:14:57 ◼   ► could consider yourself the the host

00:14:58 ◼   ► rather than the co-host right and the

00:15:04 ◼   ► whole thing is my responsibility

00:15:08 ◼   ► there's no I can absolutely feel the

00:15:09 ◼   ► pressure yeah well I feel the pressure

00:15:11 ◼   ► every day when i write on daring

00:15:13 ◼   ► fireball I mean it's you know it i can't

00:15:15 ◼   ► quite say I mean I often try to think

00:15:17 ◼   ► about it this way and it freaked me out

00:15:19 ◼   ► but if I thought that all the people who

00:15:21 ◼   ► read daring fireball they were in an

00:15:23 ◼   ► arena and the truth is at this point it

00:15:26 ◼   ► would actually take some sort of arena

00:15:28 ◼   ► sized facility to fit them all in there

00:15:30 ◼   ► at once on one day and it doesn't really

00:15:32 ◼   ► feel like that because you know i'm

00:15:34 ◼   ► actually in like the same office i'm

00:15:36 ◼   ► using the same keyboard and actually

00:15:38 ◼   ► even the same monitor from when i

00:15:42 ◼   ► launched the thing and like was excited

00:15:46 ◼   ► and nervous and palms sweaty the first

00:15:48 ◼   ► day that I had over a hundred page views

00:15:49 ◼   ► like so the interface that I see while

00:15:52 ◼   ► posting looks exactly the same so like

00:15:55 ◼   ► if you're in a band and you start

00:15:57 ◼   ► playing in a bar to a hundred people and

00:16:00 ◼   ► that's kind of cool and then you grow

00:16:02 ◼   ► and you're successful and successful

00:16:03 ◼   ► when you start playing bigger and bigger

00:16:04 ◼   ► venues you see it and it's palpable and

00:16:07 ◼   ► everything he not just you know you hear

00:16:09 ◼   ► the audience and it's louder and the

00:16:11 ◼   ► acoustics are different you have a

00:16:14 ◼   ► successful website that you're right it

00:16:15 ◼   ► just looks exactly the same as the

00:16:17 ◼   ► audience grows so that definitely keeps

00:16:19 ◼   ► the nerves down a little bit but yeah

00:16:21 ◼   ► but I realized like I fully realized

00:16:24 ◼   ► that if I were to something I've never

00:16:25 ◼   ► done but if i were to say take a week

00:16:28 ◼   ► off and do like what cocky doesn't just

00:16:29 ◼   ► turn the keys over to somebody

00:16:31 ◼   ► mom I think you in fact were the first

00:16:34 ◼   ► person he ever did that with i wasn't i

00:16:36 ◼   ► was the second you were the second yeah

00:16:38 ◼   ► I i actually like I applied to be the

00:16:42 ◼   ► first one and and he skipped over me it

00:16:46 ◼   ► and pick somebody else and then you know

00:16:48 ◼   ► and I was pretty crushed about it but

00:16:50 ◼   ► whatever it was it was it was a long

00:16:51 ◼   ► tango and I forgive and then you know

00:16:55 ◼   ► few weeks maybe a couple months later

00:16:57 ◼   ► actually he he went on vacation again

00:16:59 ◼   ► and

00:16:59 ◼   ► but me and said hey how would you like

00:17:01 ◼   ► another chance and now I felt great i

00:17:04 ◼   ► took a week off of work to do it but

00:17:06 ◼   ► that was probably super nerve-wracking

00:17:08 ◼   ► for you

00:17:08 ◼   ► oh my god it was the most stressful

00:17:10 ◼   ► thing I've ever done in my life up to

00:17:12 ◼   ► that point for sure what to do too

00:17:15 ◼   ► because his audience is revered yeah i

00:17:17 ◼   ► mean i mean is his audiences Reverend

00:17:19 ◼   ► that they Revere of cocky and and so to

00:17:23 ◼   ► to be handed those keys

00:17:25 ◼   ► you know it's a big big set of keys

00:17:28 ◼   ► right Jan one giant novelty key right

00:17:31 ◼   ► and it's a compare and contrast with

00:17:33 ◼   ► another big like a site like boy which

00:17:36 ◼   ► probably adds more readers than then

00:17:38 ◼   ► daring fireball and combined wire

00:17:41 ◼   ► ah is always it always has been a

00:17:45 ◼   ► collaborative blog with no singular

00:17:49 ◼   ► voice right and all and in fact almost

00:17:52 ◼   ► deliberately a sort of widely varying

00:17:56 ◼   ► voices of the various contributors and

00:17:58 ◼   ► editors so if somebody i I've still be

00:18:01 ◼   ► nerve-wracking and nervous too right

00:18:03 ◼   ► before a large audience but you feel

00:18:06 ◼   ► like you know you're not eat i think

00:18:08 ◼   ► would be easier because you could just

00:18:10 ◼   ► be yourself and boiling readers are used

00:18:12 ◼   ► to New byline showing up sugar varying

00:18:14 ◼   ► styles whereas you step step up to the

00:18:16 ◼   ► mic aqui dot org and you're supposed to

00:18:18 ◼   ► be writing and sounding and appealing to

00:18:20 ◼   ► the exact same you right there's one

00:18:22 ◼   ► single spotlight on you and if you put

00:18:24 ◼   ► if you're writing for boy and then

00:18:26 ◼   ► you're in a kind of a bizarre

00:18:27 ◼   ► environment like with which is brightly

00:18:29 ◼   ► lit and people are shouting from all

00:18:31 ◼   ► direction right

00:18:32 ◼   ► are you nervous to appear here on the

00:18:34 ◼   ► show with me almost definitely no more

00:18:36 ◼   ► nervous because it's like high-profile

00:18:38 ◼   ► because this is episode two of the the

00:18:40 ◼   ► reboot could be you know i don't i know

00:18:44 ◼   ► i'm i think I'm more nervous than you

00:18:47 ◼   ► know I which is unusual and I you like

00:18:49 ◼   ► the next time you'll be back right

00:18:51 ◼   ► you'll be back next time

00:18:53 ◼   ► next I hope so it goes well I'll be back

00:18:55 ◼   ► we did I I mean I i I'm I'm friends with

00:19:00 ◼   ► dan and I na and I respect him and what

00:19:04 ◼   ► he's created everything and and um I'm

00:19:08 ◼   ► sad that you know the

00:19:10 ◼   ► for how things have developed but I'm

00:19:12 ◼   ► good friends with you and I really have

00:19:15 ◼   ► always enjoyed conversation with you

00:19:17 ◼   ► it's just something that's a part of you

00:19:20 ◼   ► know it's on the list of one of the best

00:19:22 ◼   ► things of that i have in my life so that

00:19:24 ◼   ► that opportunity I would not pass that

00:19:28 ◼   ► up for any reason

00:19:30 ◼   ► um which is I I i suspect why your show

00:19:33 ◼   ► will continue to thrive because you're

00:19:37 ◼   ► interesting you're good at conversation

00:19:38 ◼   ► already

00:19:40 ◼   ► I really like listening to and it i

00:19:43 ◼   ► really like you

00:19:44 ◼   ► your thoughts i think a lot of people do

00:19:46 ◼   ► a lot of people just read you and listen

00:19:48 ◼   ► to you because you're thoughtful about

00:19:50 ◼   ► things and so putting a really

00:19:55 ◼   ► thoughtful person in conversation with

00:19:56 ◼   ► with anybody who he feels like talking

00:20:00 ◼   ► to is going to be entertainment and

00:20:02 ◼   ► entertaining um hopefully so why mean

00:20:06 ◼   ► like did you did you feel any need to

00:20:08 ◼   ► reconfigure the format at all in the new

00:20:13 ◼   ► in the new venture

00:20:15 ◼   ► well I think obviously some of that is

00:20:20 ◼   ► inevitable because you know Dan's on-air

00:20:23 ◼   ► job was definitely to organize the

00:20:30 ◼   ► structure of the show I to keep things

00:20:33 ◼   ► moving to pick spots to jump in with

00:20:35 ◼   ► sponsor reads and he asked me far more

00:20:40 ◼   ► questions than I asked him right so

00:20:44 ◼   ► obviously it has to change

00:20:45 ◼   ► you know one of the things that I want

00:20:47 ◼   ► people to know when they come on the

00:20:48 ◼   ► show you know I know my description of

00:20:51 ◼   ► and I think it always has been in and

00:20:54 ◼   ► you know from the outset is that in some

00:20:56 ◼   ► sense it's still largely the the

00:20:59 ◼   ► equivalent of the directors commentary

00:21:00 ◼   ► on daring fireball it works yay let's

00:21:07 ◼   ► talk about all that stuff but if you

00:21:09 ◼   ► want you have more questions about the

00:21:11 ◼   ► the show moving

00:21:12 ◼   ► I mean your own your question was but

00:21:14 ◼   ► you and I feel like we should talk

00:21:16 ◼   ► because I feel like this is the

00:21:17 ◼   ► controversy the controversy is why did I

00:21:20 ◼   ► take the show in the name right right

00:21:22 ◼   ► that's what you wanted

00:21:23 ◼   ► you want to be nice about it and you

00:21:24 ◼   ► don't want to you don't want to put your

00:21:26 ◼   ► finger on the scab

00:21:28 ◼   ► no because you hang up on me now I want

00:21:30 ◼   ► I you know and Karen and in terms of my

00:21:34 ◼   ► ability as a host here's the the most

00:21:36 ◼   ► helpful review on iTunes of of the talk

00:21:39 ◼   ► show this talk show unfocused

00:21:42 ◼   ► uninteresting and unlistenable one star

00:21:44 ◼   ► by the number number number it's sort of

00:21:48 ◼   ► like the guy from his podcast sucks

00:21:52 ◼   ► humbert humbert how you like it cousin

00:21:55 ◼   ► from from lolita yeah I'm sure you

00:22:00 ◼   ► listen off this is very different from

00:22:02 ◼   ► the pop talk show of the past which

00:22:04 ◼   ► always had an Benjamin serving to keep

00:22:06 ◼   ► the podcast focused people didn't tune

00:22:08 ◼   ► in just to listen to john gruber ramble

00:22:10 ◼   ► about a million unrelated topics they

00:22:13 ◼   ► turned into listen to a podcast that had

00:22:15 ◼   ► at least some semblance of order the

00:22:17 ◼   ► talk show with Dan Benjamin was already

00:22:19 ◼   ► one of the less focus podcasts on five

00:22:21 ◼   ► by five or download prepare list of

00:22:23 ◼   ► topics and show notes beforehand and

00:22:25 ◼   ► Gruber just showed up on a bad

00:22:27 ◼   ► connection and mumbled his comments to

00:22:29 ◼   ► some of the topics while clearing his

00:22:32 ◼   ► throat or snorting dampen or Dan

00:22:37 ◼   ► Benjamin was half of the talk show since

00:22:38 ◼   ► its inception and the new show has an

00:22:41 ◼   ► entirely different dynamic the new show

00:22:44 ◼   ► is John Gruber unhinged John Gruber

00:22:46 ◼   ► talking to himself jumping from

00:22:48 ◼   ► unrelated topic to topic it is unfocused

00:22:51 ◼   ► to the hilt and embarrassing to listen

00:22:53 ◼   ► to so yeah I guess you're right banning

00:22:55 ◼   ► people i think people do think i'm doing

00:22:57 ◼   ► a good job

00:22:59 ◼   ► well you know there's that means you're

00:23:01 ◼   ► doing something right if you give you

00:23:03 ◼   ► get someone stars on there and you know

00:23:05 ◼   ► what who needs him who need them you

00:23:07 ◼   ► know why I was curious about like after

00:23:09 ◼   ► the first show came out last week I did

00:23:13 ◼   ► a little you know mention search on

00:23:14 ◼   ► Twitter and my favorite one that i came

00:23:16 ◼   ► across was from I think like a teenage

00:23:18 ◼   ► british kid and he just said ruber your

00:23:22 ◼   ► new show is bad and you should feel bad

00:23:24 ◼   ► i should have read that when I would

00:23:29 ◼   ► have taken less time it's pretty good i

00:23:33 ◼   ► will tell you what everybody out there i

00:23:35 ◼   ► encourage you to be honest I

00:23:36 ◼   ► I'm not afraid of honesty so be honest

00:23:38 ◼   ► get on itunes leave an honest review and

00:23:41 ◼   ► i'll read next week i'll read a few more

00:23:43 ◼   ► of the highest-ranked whether they

00:23:47 ◼   ► called most helpful

00:23:48 ◼   ► most helpful reviews on itunes of let's

00:23:51 ◼   ► imagine that it's a good segment um my

00:23:53 ◼   ► favorite like this line from last week's

00:23:57 ◼   ► episode was when you guys were talking

00:24:00 ◼   ► about the mat connection lady you would

00:24:03 ◼   ► describe as you're describing how they

00:24:05 ◼   ► might have arranged the picture and and

00:24:08 ◼   ► your voice you gave voice for the team

00:24:11 ◼   ► and they end your voice was just a Sally

00:24:14 ◼   ► mind if we take a picture but it was

00:24:17 ◼   ► very letter many of Letterman of you you

00:24:19 ◼   ► know what and adds an important thing

00:24:21 ◼   ► I'm so glad you mentioned that because

00:24:24 ◼   ► this is an absolutely i mean it just

00:24:26 ◼   ► shows I quite frankly just how poorly

00:24:29 ◼   ► i'm doing with this new show is is that

00:24:32 ◼   ► we made a grievous error was not mad

00:24:34 ◼   ► connection it was Mac warehouse

00:24:37 ◼   ► well same diff I you want the the

00:24:41 ◼   ► instant messenger at the moment I'm not

00:24:44 ◼   ► can can you be

00:24:45 ◼   ► is it easy yes sure i will send you I

00:24:49 ◼   ► have the picture you remember this

00:24:50 ◼   ► picture I I don't know and it's hard to

00:24:52 ◼   ► tell because you're pretty young

00:24:54 ◼   ► oh no I I definitely like my dad

00:24:56 ◼   ► subscribe to those catalogs and and I

00:24:59 ◼   ► definitely poured through them right

00:25:03 ◼   ► did you see email it to me now but I

00:25:05 ◼   ► want maybe if you do Mac warehouse cover

00:25:11 ◼   ► babe idea and I I'm knot no it didn't

00:25:15 ◼   ► show up

00:25:16 ◼   ► damn it i just want to give you this you

00:25:17 ◼   ► are out on flickr that's just the name

00:25:19 ◼   ► of the the flickr page i did I wasn't

00:25:23 ◼   ► calling her babe

00:25:24 ◼   ► alright how about Mac warehouse cover

00:25:26 ◼   ► lady see if that works

00:25:28 ◼   ► google it I'll email it to you I don't

00:25:31 ◼   ► remember to gotten there by now you have

00:25:32 ◼   ► email on this computer

00:25:34 ◼   ► all right they do right on

00:25:40 ◼   ► alright check your email and there she

00:25:47 ◼   ► is all my god I always pictured her name

00:25:50 ◼   ► is like danica or something that she's

00:25:52 ◼   ► very Swedish looking right center but

00:25:55 ◼   ► it's exactly like molten I talked about

00:25:57 ◼   ► there's something about her with it

00:25:58 ◼   ► maybe it's clipart maybe she was a model

00:26:01 ◼   ► brought in to pose for the picture and

00:26:03 ◼   ► maybe she really was answering the phone

00:26:05 ◼   ► and they were like you will take a

00:26:08 ◼   ► picture of you

00:26:09 ◼   ► I think that she probably worked there

00:26:11 ◼   ► that I don't think they have the

00:26:12 ◼   ► sophistication to come in because you

00:26:15 ◼   ► can see there's there's obviously like a

00:26:16 ◼   ► system

00:26:17 ◼   ► yeah what is what OS is that system 6 or

00:26:19 ◼   ► something on now but that photoshop

00:26:21 ◼   ► wouldn't have been able to do that now

00:26:22 ◼   ► that is far too sophisticated with it

00:26:25 ◼   ► she's and she's very attractive but has

00:26:27 ◼   ► thin lips like her the earth their lips

00:26:28 ◼   ► are too thin to be a model right and

00:26:32 ◼   ► she's got like those nineties eyebrows

00:26:34 ◼   ► peeking through the church bangs that

00:26:37 ◼   ► she's she's so 1989 it is unbelievable i

00:26:41 ◼   ► love it i would go to homecoming with

00:26:43 ◼   ► her I really can't believe that I like

00:26:46 ◼   ► Miss conflated Mac warehouse with matt

00:26:49 ◼   ► connection that's why I'm a connection

00:26:51 ◼   ► was inferior they didn't have the the

00:26:53 ◼   ► lady since they have a lady now you know

00:26:56 ◼   ► what I would love to have her on the

00:26:58 ◼   ► talk show that would be a big get if you

00:27:02 ◼   ► could find out who she is

00:27:03 ◼   ► yeah that would be fantastic anybody out

00:27:05 ◼   ► there listening can find out who she is

00:27:07 ◼   ► and I mean I don't know that we could do

00:27:09 ◼   ► a whole hour but maybe we could but we

00:27:11 ◼   ► could certainly do a good segment I'm

00:27:13 ◼   ► going to say she's like maybe 26 in this

00:27:15 ◼   ► picture so which would which would make

00:27:17 ◼   ► her you know in a little late forties by

00:27:21 ◼   ► now right

00:27:22 ◼   ► I would say so great so what what things

00:27:30 ◼   ► you want to talk about other than other

00:27:33 ◼   ► than I mean like is there anything is

00:27:34 ◼   ► there any apple so if you want to talk

00:27:35 ◼   ► about definitely maybe I should do

00:27:37 ◼   ► maybe I should do the first sponsor read

00:27:39 ◼   ► that before

00:27:41 ◼   ► alright

00:27:43 ◼   ► and you you should give me some some

00:27:46 ◼   ► pointers on this because I this is one

00:27:48 ◼   ► of those things without question that

00:27:49 ◼   ► damn Benjamin did better than I do the

00:27:53 ◼   ► sponsor Prince mandan was good at like

00:27:55 ◼   ► real time real to alan's well let me do

00:27:58 ◼   ► one and and then you can you can give me

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00:28:44 ◼   ► mmm i'd say i'd say maybe you know if if

00:28:49 ◼   ► I was if I was your client i would say

00:28:52 ◼   ► just you know put a little more heart

00:28:54 ◼   ► into it just like a little more back you

00:28:56 ◼   ► know just to let it breathe a little bit

00:28:59 ◼   ► you're saying I should have it up a

00:29:00 ◼   ► little bit

00:29:01 ◼   ► dammit alright I'm marginally sound not

00:29:05 ◼   ► supposed to sound like John Gruber being

00:29:07 ◼   ► his droll usual self talking

00:29:10 ◼   ► extemporaneous Lee no I'm going to

00:29:13 ◼   ► longer reason I shall I should have it

00:29:15 ◼   ► up a little bit but we want to believe

00:29:17 ◼   ► that you believe what you're saying and

00:29:20 ◼   ► I know you do because you wouldn't you

00:29:22 ◼   ► wouldn't take sponsorships that you

00:29:23 ◼   ► didn't think we're cool right

00:29:27 ◼   ► ok well i think about it better work out

00:29:29 ◼   ► it got to do it i gotta get 10,000 of

00:29:31 ◼   ► practice in front of the mirror right

00:29:34 ◼   ► trail is right let's get the the

00:29:38 ◼   ► talkshow meta discussion out-of-the-way

00:29:40 ◼   ► long story short it was a business

00:29:44 ◼   ► disagreement long-standing and

00:29:49 ◼   ► significant

00:29:51 ◼   ► dan the co-host is obviously very

00:29:58 ◼   ► popular and extremely talented is

00:30:01 ◼   ► extremely good at what he does and I'm

00:30:03 ◼   ► super proud of the work we did together

00:30:05 ◼   ► and I think we had some lots of good

00:30:07 ◼   ► shows in some some great shows

00:30:10 ◼   ► dan the owner of a podcast network i

00:30:15 ◼   ► have long-standing disagreements with

00:30:19 ◼   ► came to an end

00:30:22 ◼   ► why did I take the talk show with me

00:30:27 ◼   ► because I love it and I felt like if I

00:30:33 ◼   ► felt like my choices were reduced to i

00:30:39 ◼   ► dunno show I go elsewhere do a new show

00:30:45 ◼   ► go elsewhere and do the talk show

00:30:49 ◼   ► I didn't want to do know show and I felt

00:30:52 ◼   ► if I went elsewhere and did a new show i

00:30:55 ◼   ► would be leaving my beloved talk show

00:30:58 ◼   ► behind at five by five and I don't think

00:31:01 ◼   ► Dan would have kept doing the talk show

00:31:02 ◼   ► with without me but that's where it

00:31:06 ◼   ► would have SAT dormant and I just

00:31:11 ◼   ► couldn't bear it right well you could

00:31:15 ◼   ► well first of all yet that business bad

00:31:17 ◼   ► business comes between and i don't mean

00:31:19 ◼   ► bad as in nefarious but disagreements in

00:31:24 ◼   ► business come between good friends all

00:31:26 ◼   ► the time and it sucks when it happens

00:31:28 ◼   ► but it's it's a legitimate legitimate

00:31:29 ◼   ► reason and then you there there could

00:31:37 ◼   ► have been measures put in place to you

00:31:40 ◼   ► know 2222 agree that if the talk shows

00:31:45 ◼   ► left behind then then it's then it then

00:31:47 ◼   ► it you know ceases to be so I don't

00:31:50 ◼   ► think they're there would have been a

00:31:51 ◼   ► worry of then taking it over and

00:31:53 ◼   ► exploiting the name now my worry wasn't

00:31:55 ◼   ► better be taken over and Exploited my

00:31:57 ◼   ► worry was

00:31:58 ◼   ► this to see something that i view as my

00:32:01 ◼   ► second most beloved child creation left

00:32:10 ◼   ► in what is considered a bad spot right

00:32:14 ◼   ► right well do so so that you you I I

00:32:22 ◼   ► understand it's interesting that you put

00:32:24 ◼   ► in if you frame it like that as a as a

00:32:27 ◼   ► birth as a child but i honestly think

00:32:31 ◼   ► that you gave birth to something other

00:32:33 ◼   ► than something big

00:32:35 ◼   ► other than just what it was called um

00:32:38 ◼   ► and I think you you don't you definitely

00:32:40 ◼   ► did you you made it you made a big

00:32:42 ◼   ► statement by taking the name with you

00:32:46 ◼   ► and and that that statement has been

00:32:48 ◼   ► made and and now it's it's it's yours

00:32:50 ◼   ► it's like you it you can do what you

00:32:53 ◼   ► want with it including renaming it now I

00:32:57 ◼   ► don't want I mean like you know you've

00:32:59 ◼   ► said you've said repeatedly I'll think

00:33:00 ◼   ► about it like that's food for thought

00:33:02 ◼   ► and i think i have a feeling that you're

00:33:03 ◼   ► gonna you're gonna you're gonna keep

00:33:04 ◼   ► doing exactly what you're doing which is

00:33:06 ◼   ► that which is absolutely also that's

00:33:07 ◼   ► what you should do but I but I'm

00:33:09 ◼   ► speaking for myself as a fan when I say

00:33:12 ◼   ► what you've created is going to live on

00:33:15 ◼   ► no matter what it's called

00:33:18 ◼   ► even if it's called pickin boogers with

00:33:21 ◼   ► John which I think it should be still

00:33:25 ◼   ► your baby 1 star I mac stuff that's

00:33:34 ◼   ► talking about the big week i think was

00:33:39 ◼   ► about two weeks ago a little bit less

00:33:40 ◼   ► than two weeks ago I wrote a thing about

00:33:42 ◼   ► that called ios6 low-hanging fruit

00:33:44 ◼   ► trying to predict what Apple might be

00:33:46 ◼   ► doing next in an iOS right and I here

00:33:51 ◼   ► being that that that the phone could

00:33:53 ◼   ► seem to the casual observer to be

00:33:54 ◼   ► feature complete very very close to it

00:33:57 ◼   ► well that it used to be the first few

00:33:59 ◼   ► years they that it was kind of easy to

00:34:02 ◼   ► make predictions about what they would

00:34:03 ◼   ► do next because there were some glaring

00:34:05 ◼   ► omissions and one

00:34:07 ◼   ► and I want to talk about this with you

00:34:08 ◼   ► is that one of the first times I can

00:34:10 ◼   ► recall on seeing something that you had

00:34:13 ◼   ► done online was back and I think with

00:34:15 ◼   ► 2008 it was early definitely when you

00:34:18 ◼   ► did a you did a concept video on how

00:34:21 ◼   ► copy and paste might work on the iphone

00:34:24 ◼   ► right which is interesting in a few ways

00:34:26 ◼   ► because one that whole hate let me just

00:34:29 ◼   ► show you here's my UI idea and i'm going

00:34:31 ◼   ► to put a concept video on YouTube or

00:34:32 ◼   ► Vimeo or one of these things you early

00:34:36 ◼   ► on that that was like a new thing at the

00:34:38 ◼   ► time and number two

00:34:40 ◼   ► eventually they did ad copy and paste

00:34:44 ◼   ► and yours was kind of a sensation got

00:34:46 ◼   ► picked up everywhere everybody I'm

00:34:48 ◼   ► bukkake linked it i'm sure i don't can

00:34:51 ◼   ► hope I like to know now and we've never

00:34:54 ◼   ► talked about this huh

00:34:55 ◼   ► now you know it killed me it killed me

00:34:58 ◼   ► that you did what you did was he wrote a

00:35:00 ◼   ► piece the next day he wrote a piece on

00:35:02 ◼   ► daring fireball about why you didn't

00:35:04 ◼   ► think that apple would put copy and

00:35:07 ◼   ► pasting in the iOS in will in like

00:35:10 ◼   ► anytime soon and and 44 like front for a

00:35:17 ◼   ► week without knowing you for a week I

00:35:20 ◼   ► just hated you but I kept reading and

00:35:25 ◼   ► then we and eventually we got we got we

00:35:27 ◼   ► were at each other and got to be friends

00:35:28 ◼   ► when did they add when did they end up

00:35:30 ◼   ► adding copy and paste it wasn't until

00:35:34 ◼   ► the second version of the OS right so it

00:35:36 ◼   ► was 2008 well the phone came out 2007

00:35:40 ◼   ► that's when I made the video i think in

00:35:42 ◼   ► like december something again you know I

00:35:45 ◼   ► might have been another year it were

00:35:46 ◼   ► when with when did they release the next

00:35:49 ◼   ► the next phone I June June of 2008 so

00:35:53 ◼   ► might have been June I'm but ya mind

00:35:57 ◼   ► mind mind was an interesting idea with

00:36:00 ◼   ► two finger taps but it you know they

00:36:02 ◼   ► didn't they didn't end up doing that but

00:36:05 ◼   ► um well it's funny how you like your

00:36:07 ◼   ► your your video I i love the idea but I

00:36:10 ◼   ► feel like your idea and i'll link to it

00:36:14 ◼   ► in the show notes people can go and

00:36:15 ◼   ► watch your original concept video which

00:36:17 ◼   ► was also

00:36:18 ◼   ► very funny thank you and it's only funny

00:36:22 ◼   ► are in hindsight as your online persona

00:36:25 ◼   ► has become more established and and

00:36:28 ◼   ► widely known like at the time it is very

00:36:32 ◼   ► consistent with the atom Lisa right now

00:36:35 ◼   ► but at the time I didn't know Adam Lisa

00:36:36 ◼   ► gore and I'm not going to spoil anything

00:36:38 ◼   ► but the way that it ends so this is it

00:36:40 ◼   ► just seems so absurd and right yeah

00:36:42 ◼   ► certain letter yet but that's my dumb

00:36:44 ◼   ► voice my dummy or voice behind bob bob

00:36:48 ◼   ► borchers I guess right your idea that

00:36:51 ◼   ► was largely and I don't it's kinda hard

00:36:53 ◼   ► to explain but it it was just your base

00:36:55 ◼   ► mostly it was let's take the loop which

00:36:58 ◼   ► was already in ios4 placing the

00:37:00 ◼   ► insertion point and as you're dragging

00:37:04 ◼   ► that around to figure out where you want

00:37:06 ◼   ► to start a copy our selection to copy

00:37:08 ◼   ► and paste you could add a second finger

00:37:12 ◼   ► to the screen which would put you in a

00:37:14 ◼   ► different mode right at which point you

00:37:16 ◼   ► would just drag your finger like a

00:37:18 ◼   ► highlighter to make the selection and

00:37:21 ◼   ► and then cut correct yeah and then when

00:37:25 ◼   ► you wanted to paste you would place the

00:37:28 ◼   ► insertion point with one finger then

00:37:30 ◼   ► still holding that first finger on

00:37:32 ◼   ► screen add a second finger which would

00:37:34 ◼   ► bring up a little dialog box with your

00:37:37 ◼   ► last few clipboards and then you could

00:37:39 ◼   ► tap one of those to paste right so the

00:37:43 ◼   ► problem with it and a reason Apple went

00:37:45 ◼   ► with something different is that it's

00:37:47 ◼   ► not visual right it's something that it

00:37:50 ◼   ► that you would have to know before yeah

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's not discoverable at all right here

00:37:55 ◼   ► and there are things in iOS that are

00:37:57 ◼   ► like that but they are either always or

00:38:02 ◼   ► ideally always but if not always almost

00:38:05 ◼   ► always short cuts to things that there

00:38:08 ◼   ► is a visual way to do that if you can't

00:38:12 ◼   ► see it it might as well not be there so

00:38:15 ◼   ► that's why you know the actual

00:38:17 ◼   ► implementation of copy and paste is very

00:38:21 ◼   ► visual

00:38:22 ◼   ► it's this right there in your face

00:38:24 ◼   ► little pop-up thing that that makes

00:38:26 ◼   ► these options explicit yeah but

00:38:29 ◼   ► seriously it was well done

00:38:30 ◼   ► I'm sorry it is

00:38:31 ◼   ► thank you you know it's alright it all

00:38:33 ◼   ► worked out and speaking of highlight

00:38:35 ◼   ► highlight working like a highlighter

00:38:38 ◼   ► isn't the highlighter in ibooks just the

00:38:40 ◼   ► most delightful you I think that exists

00:38:43 ◼   ► yeah except i invoke it accidentally too

00:38:46 ◼   ► often i do you really yeah I I don't

00:38:48 ◼   ► know but it's happening less than less

00:38:50 ◼   ► so I feel like I'm I'm getting used to

00:38:52 ◼   ► it

00:38:53 ◼   ► I haven't figured out how to not

00:38:54 ◼   ► successfully on the highlight stuff i

00:38:57 ◼   ► guess so in that way it's very much like

00:38:59 ◼   ► a real skeuomorphic highlighter do you

00:39:03 ◼   ► do this

00:39:04 ◼   ► i-i've i know i've spoken to quit then

00:39:08 ◼   ► formerly of New York Times and now he

00:39:12 ◼   ► does Mixel really cool collage

00:39:15 ◼   ► collaborative ipad app and coins even

00:39:19 ◼   ► written about it but the New York Times

00:39:20 ◼   ► added a thing

00:39:21 ◼   ► a while back it's like a javascript

00:39:24 ◼   ► thing where as soon as you selected a

00:39:26 ◼   ► word on a webpage on the new york times

00:39:28 ◼   ► it would pop up a dictionary definition

00:39:31 ◼   ► of the word right there

00:39:32 ◼   ► mhm which is stupid right because it

00:39:39 ◼   ► breaks something that people know how to

00:39:40 ◼   ► do so you just double click on a word to

00:39:42 ◼   ► select it and all of a sudden it was a

00:39:45 ◼   ► double click not selecting orders like

00:39:46 ◼   ► if you double click on a word it would

00:39:48 ◼   ► make a definition will double-click

00:39:50 ◼   ► already has a meaning it just means i

00:39:51 ◼   ► want to select this but the reason it

00:39:53 ◼   ► was especially problematic for me is

00:39:54 ◼   ► that while I'm reading an article I

00:39:56 ◼   ► didn't even really know that i had this

00:39:58 ◼   ► habit but I I just sit there and play

00:40:00 ◼   ► with the mouse and like select words and

00:40:03 ◼   ► and make text elections while I'm

00:40:07 ◼   ► reading just like like an idol fidgety

00:40:09 ◼   ► thing sure you fondle you found a boy

00:40:11 ◼   ► does the same thing and said it drove

00:40:12 ◼   ► him nuts and and he was gonna crack some

00:40:15 ◼   ► skulls over it

00:40:16 ◼   ► oh yeah well there have been all sorts

00:40:17 ◼   ► of bad attempts that giving meaning to

00:40:19 ◼   ► words that are not links from without

00:40:23 ◼   ► any other extra hot keys to enable them

00:40:25 ◼   ► or something and all the double the

00:40:28 ◼   ► double underline crab advertisers are

00:40:30 ◼   ► doing or even I think there's this

00:40:32 ◼   ► company app sure I don't over there

00:40:35 ◼   ► what's going on with them but they're

00:40:37 ◼   ► trying to they're trying to enable

00:40:38 ◼   ► search on top of every single word in a

00:40:41 ◼   ► in a site or what

00:40:43 ◼   ► alright so like when I'm reading on the

00:40:46 ◼   ► iphone or ipad like in safari sometimes

00:40:48 ◼   ► I'll just move my thumb up and down a

00:40:50 ◼   ► little bit and just make the page go up

00:40:52 ◼   ► and down just slightly just like a

00:40:54 ◼   ► fidgety type thing and I feel like in

00:40:56 ◼   ► ibooks that's why I sort of with making

00:40:58 ◼   ► inadvertent highlights is that I would

00:41:00 ◼   ► just sort of touching my I just wanted

00:41:02 ◼   ► to touch the screen finally and then all

00:41:04 ◼   ► of a sudden I've got a highlight but

00:41:05 ◼   ► when you want to make a highlight i have

00:41:07 ◼   ► to admit it is delightful really don't

00:41:09 ◼   ► like his looks really good

00:41:11 ◼   ► right and that aana somehow they're

00:41:13 ◼   ► really really good at at this all at the

00:41:16 ◼   ► the parallax offset of it's not really

00:41:19 ◼   ► going underneath where you touch its

00:41:21 ◼   ► underneath where you think you're

00:41:22 ◼   ► touching right right it's very accurate

00:41:26 ◼   ► um I I can't believe that it took the

00:41:30 ◼   ► mac OS so long to make like control

00:41:36 ◼   ► command D over any word bring up

00:41:38 ◼   ► dictionary and yes and search every i

00:41:40 ◼   ► use that constantly it's one of my

00:41:42 ◼   ► favorite features

00:41:43 ◼   ► yeah I do too i used to always when i

00:41:45 ◼   ► was reading paper books always had like

00:41:47 ◼   ► a personal policy that if I ever

00:41:49 ◼   ► encountered word that I didn't know I

00:41:51 ◼   ► would either look it up if there is a

00:41:52 ◼   ► dictionary handy or write it down and

00:41:55 ◼   ► then look it up when i got to a

00:41:57 ◼   ► dictionary you and I wasn't always

00:41:59 ◼   ► scrupulous about it but it was always

00:42:01 ◼   ► thought it was a good policy that don't

00:42:02 ◼   ► just pretend that you know the word if

00:42:04 ◼   ► you encounter a new word look it up now

00:42:06 ◼   ► and carry a dictionary in your back

00:42:08 ◼   ► pocket is a good now I did not know they

00:42:10 ◼   ► were too big

00:42:11 ◼   ► yes big pants yeah so what do you have

00:42:19 ◼   ► any idea what do you think apples going

00:42:20 ◼   ► to do next long story short there that

00:42:22 ◼   ► the low-hanging fruit is pretty much

00:42:24 ◼   ► gone like everybody knew that's the

00:42:25 ◼   ► thing about the copy and paste from

00:42:27 ◼   ► 2007-2008 in its kind of crazy to think

00:42:30 ◼   ► back that we had these phones that that

00:42:33 ◼   ► we loved but they couldn't copy and

00:42:34 ◼   ► paste text or anything

00:42:36 ◼   ► yeah it's kind of crazy to think about

00:42:38 ◼   ► going back to that like oh yeah

00:42:40 ◼   ► as frustrating as it would be to travel

00:42:42 ◼   ► back in time pre iphone it would be

00:42:43 ◼   ► pretty frustrating to travel back to

00:42:45 ◼   ► even the original iphone maybe like it

00:42:48 ◼   ► can even copy and paste so what do you

00:42:51 ◼   ► think is coming next

00:42:53 ◼   ► i don't i don't know i mean i get you

00:42:55 ◼   ► obviously you talked about every certain

00:42:58 ◼   ► mentioning that maps google maps are

00:43:00 ◼   ► gonna go out of the phone and Apple is

00:43:03 ◼   ► going to have its own solution and I

00:43:05 ◼   ► think that it's it might not just be

00:43:06 ◼   ► like a one-to-one replacement with just

00:43:10 ◼   ► a new backend of of a mapping service

00:43:13 ◼   ► and and new interesting delightful Apple

00:43:17 ◼   ► front end is going to replace this

00:43:19 ◼   ► google friend that's basically been

00:43:21 ◼   ► pretty much the same since the first

00:43:24 ◼   ► iteration right i mean with with little

00:43:26 ◼   ► accoutrement is added the new you know

00:43:30 ◼   ► in in navigation on the new google maps

00:43:32 ◼   ► it's nice to have three options of good

00:43:35 ◼   ► roots right but other than that it's

00:43:40 ◼   ► still frustrating to use it's not really

00:43:42 ◼   ► intuitive think doing things like that

00:43:45 ◼   ► are sort of user you very you I

00:43:48 ◼   ► sensitive just for usability like while

00:43:52 ◼   ► you're actually maybe in a car looking

00:43:55 ◼   ► at a map and you need to get a list you

00:43:57 ◼   ► need to get over to listview is like

00:43:59 ◼   ► three taps yeah um and and I think that

00:44:03 ◼   ► Apple could I mean I definitely solve

00:44:04 ◼   ► those types of problems but bo what if

00:44:07 ◼   ► they just whatever they're just going to

00:44:09 ◼   ► put a new a new spin on the whole idea

00:44:12 ◼   ► of mapping that there isn't super

00:44:16 ◼   ► obvious I mean what if it's is this this

00:44:19 ◼   ► could be done but I mean well first of

00:44:21 ◼   ► all they're probably able to integrate

00:44:22 ◼   ► across all their services like contacts

00:44:26 ◼   ► and everything a little bit better in

00:44:30 ◼   ► Thai in mapping and social and I don't

00:44:33 ◼   ► know but that doesn't that's that's not

00:44:34 ◼   ► really interesting maybe I mean there's

00:44:37 ◼   ► I know there's sort of a movement to to

00:44:39 ◼   ► figure out the problem of to figure out

00:44:42 ◼   ► the problem of I don't know whether you

00:44:45 ◼   ► would call it micro mapping or whatever

00:44:47 ◼   ► like locating things and and inside of a

00:44:51 ◼   ► location

00:44:52 ◼   ► I'm just very very much refined your

00:44:56 ◼   ► location they might have an interesting

00:45:00 ◼   ► solution to that but no it's not obvious

00:45:03 ◼   ► to me do you think here's my big

00:45:05 ◼   ► question with Apple taking

00:45:07 ◼   ► the map data into their own hands is do

00:45:09 ◼   ► you think that they are also going to do

00:45:10 ◼   ► a Maps website

00:45:12 ◼   ► yeah that is an interesting question in

00:45:15 ◼   ► my mind first thought my thought is no

00:45:17 ◼   ► example doesn't do stuff like that but

00:45:19 ◼   ► if they don't do a website how would you

00:45:21 ◼   ► email directions to somebody from your

00:45:23 ◼   ► phone right well you just have to hope

00:45:25 ◼   ► that their iOS as well um yeah I guess

00:45:32 ◼   ► it could operate on the Instagram model

00:45:34 ◼   ► where there's maybe there's just a

00:45:35 ◼   ► simple a very very simple web version of

00:45:38 ◼   ► over map but nowhere near as complex as

00:45:43 ◼   ► google maps all right no yeah i mean

00:45:46 ◼   ► they don't they don't apple doesn't

00:45:48 ◼   ► traditionally do stuff like that well

00:45:49 ◼   ► right but they don't even try really

00:45:51 ◼   ► yeah i mean when i get it there's like

00:45:53 ◼   ► there's like locate my you know find my

00:45:55 ◼   ► iphone and said and the the actual the

00:45:56 ◼   ► actual the iCloud website is pretty

00:45:59 ◼   ► robust never spend any time on which you

00:46:01 ◼   ► wouldn't need to because it it's all the

00:46:04 ◼   ► the front and front is that is all of

00:46:05 ◼   ► the apps that are on your Mac but when

00:46:09 ◼   ► you actually spend some time in the

00:46:10 ◼   ► browser in and like fish around all this

00:46:12 ◼   ► giant tabs

00:46:13 ◼   ► um it's actually quite pretty yeah now I

00:46:20 ◼   ► don't know I feel like they kind of have

00:46:21 ◼   ► to but maybe I'm you know thinking about

00:46:23 ◼   ► around and maybe they were willing to do

00:46:26 ◼   ► that inhabit so that you know if you're

00:46:27 ◼   ► going to send directions to somebody

00:46:29 ◼   ► they better have an iOS device you

00:46:31 ◼   ► same goes for the iCloud photo and

00:46:35 ◼   ► video-sharing which 1i know the wall

00:46:37 ◼   ► street journal reported a bit ago was a

00:46:39 ◼   ► going to be a major new feature that

00:46:40 ◼   ► you'll be you'll be able to you know I

00:46:44 ◼   ► don't worry i think they even explicitly

00:46:45 ◼   ► compared to compared to flicker or maybe

00:46:48 ◼   ► even facebook or something where you

00:46:50 ◼   ► could take your family photos from your

00:46:52 ◼   ► iphone share them through your iCloud

00:46:54 ◼   ► account and then the thing that caught

00:46:56 ◼   ► my eye was that it said to other I cloud

00:46:59 ◼   ► users because if it's not a website how

00:47:03 ◼   ► else would they do it let alone whether

00:47:05 ◼   ► they even you know whether they want to

00:47:07 ◼   ► draw that sort of privacy circle of

00:47:09 ◼   ► everybody you're sharing with has to

00:47:11 ◼   ► have an iCloud account I i think a big

00:47:14 ◼   ► part of that is the practical point that

00:47:15 ◼   ► if you don't have an iCloud account how

00:47:17 ◼   ► would you do it if they don't do it on

00:47:18 ◼   ► the web

00:47:18 ◼   ► but on the other hand they do you know

00:47:21 ◼   ► they've already had things like you know

00:47:23 ◼   ► the me.com photo albums which were on

00:47:27 ◼   ► the web on your me.com account

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah and did you ever use any of that

00:47:31 ◼   ► crap i'm not really i mean going back to

00:47:35 ◼   ► idisk days and all the way through it

00:47:37 ◼   ► seems like the parent of the kind of

00:47:38 ◼   ► thing that parents use right but but you

00:47:42 ◼   ► know we don't use that stuff because

00:47:43 ◼   ► there's MIT they're way better solutions

00:47:45 ◼   ► right um so I don't want to see what i

00:47:49 ◼   ► mean i guess like I'm curious to see

00:47:51 ◼   ► what apple's next iteration of the

00:47:52 ◼   ► gallery would be but again they don't do

00:47:57 ◼   ► social well so how useful could it be

00:48:00 ◼   ► alright nice just for 121 sharing then

00:48:03 ◼   ► again it's like this it would be very

00:48:06 ◼   ► hobbled yeah that's it

00:48:08 ◼   ► it doesn't feel like they ever really

00:48:09 ◼   ► did a good job with it i mean i might I

00:48:11 ◼   ► don't jump on most social network type

00:48:14 ◼   ► things I mean most of them don't appeal

00:48:15 ◼   ► to me but when i find 1i like that i

00:48:17 ◼   ► just use it so for me for sharing photos

00:48:19 ◼   ► to people who always been flickr just

00:48:22 ◼   ► because that's why flickr became so

00:48:25 ◼   ► popular was just seemed like than the

00:48:27 ◼   ► nice balance between obvious and ease of

00:48:31 ◼   ► use and easy shareability that you

00:48:39 ◼   ► didn't you know make things that you

00:48:40 ◼   ► could share privately which required the

00:48:43 ◼   ► other people to have I think I flickr

00:48:45 ◼   ► account and then you know if you didn't

00:48:47 ◼   ► really care who saw the pictures you can

00:48:48 ◼   ► just do it and point people at the URL

00:48:50 ◼   ► and everybody could go see it

00:48:52 ◼   ► what could it be possible that Apple is

00:48:56 ◼   ► planning big things for the web but they

00:48:58 ◼   ► still want everybody to have an iCloud

00:49:00 ◼   ► account even if it's not a mobile-based

00:49:03 ◼   ► viewing experience right i don't know i

00:49:06 ◼   ► don't really think so it doesn't seem to

00:49:08 ◼   ► me like Apple has done very much at all

00:49:09 ◼   ► to encourage people to sign up for

00:49:11 ◼   ► iCloud if they don't have an iOS device

00:49:14 ◼   ► I mean even can you can you just go to I

00:49:17 ◼   ► don't even know if this is possible i'm

00:49:19 ◼   ► pretty pretty sure I feel like you can

00:49:20 ◼   ► but i guess i've never not had a nice

00:49:24 ◼   ► device like since I was a baby

00:49:29 ◼   ► I'm trying to see what happened to sign

00:49:34 ◼   ► in or learn more

00:49:37 ◼   ► says right here iCloud and this is me

00:49:39 ◼   ► signing in on chrome where I don't have

00:49:42 ◼   ► em I already signed then if you go to

00:49:44 ◼   ► iCloud that comment says to use iCloud

00:49:47 ◼   ► first set it up with your Apple ID on a

00:49:50 ◼   ► device with iOS 5 or mac with OS 10 lion

00:49:54 ◼   ► 10.7 point2 so now it looks like to get

00:49:58 ◼   ► an account you need to be using one of

00:50:01 ◼   ► the matter up but i don't mean I'd hood

00:50:04 ◼   ► you could just use somebody's mak make a

00:50:06 ◼   ► guest account sign up for free iCloud

00:50:08 ◼   ► account and then go home to your you

00:50:10 ◼   ► know HP whatever things are called right

00:50:14 ◼   ► you know um I didn't think of another

00:50:19 ◼   ► set of features are you like just a

00:50:22 ◼   ► usability enhancements that I would love

00:50:24 ◼   ► to see in the next version

00:50:25 ◼   ► ok it's it would be like instant on

00:50:27 ◼   ► connectivity like I'm a huge remote user

00:50:31 ◼   ► right with the road app my apple TV and

00:50:35 ◼   ► that is the there's always eat as soon

00:50:38 ◼   ► as the phone goes to sleep there's

00:50:41 ◼   ► another three-second 324 seconds of of

00:50:44 ◼   ► reconnection to do before you can use

00:50:45 ◼   ► the damn thing again like they got to

00:50:49 ◼   ► solve that pretty pretty well I wonder

00:50:53 ◼   ► if they could wonder if a big part of

00:50:54 ◼   ► that could be solved with the the new

00:50:56 ◼   ► bluetooth i forget if the new thing is

00:50:58 ◼   ► bluetooth for bluetooth is for yeah

00:51:00 ◼   ► that's for but that the whole emphasis

00:51:03 ◼   ► the whole point of it is is reduced

00:51:05 ◼   ► power and prolonged battery life during

00:51:11 ◼   ► idle time i'm sort of emphasis but that

00:51:15 ◼   ► would require new hardware it's not

00:51:17 ◼   ► really a new software you know not new

00:51:18 ◼   ► software in and of itself

00:51:20 ◼   ► well although deuces maybe the new phone

00:51:22 ◼   ► does have the bluetooth for the other

00:51:24 ◼   ► new the new phone definitely has

00:51:26 ◼   ► bluetooth for while they're making out

00:51:27 ◼   ► but that but the appletv dozen so maybe

00:51:32 ◼   ► the next Apple TV's gonna it would have

00:51:35 ◼   ► that will have some of that stuff in it

00:51:36 ◼   ► but it's weird it's like it's so

00:51:38 ◼   ► difficult to imagine an apple where

00:51:40 ◼   ► they're just relying have

00:51:41 ◼   ► Leon bluetooth for even though they're

00:51:42 ◼   ► even though they've had bluetooth and in

00:51:45 ◼   ► all their devices for since since since

00:51:47 ◼   ► the beginning

00:51:49 ◼   ► it just seems like such a kind of old

00:51:52 ◼   ► and dying like a dinosaur of a standard

00:51:55 ◼   ► to have to build around

00:52:00 ◼   ► yeah definitely does i don't know

00:52:02 ◼   ► there's something about it that doesn't

00:52:03 ◼   ► add up

00:52:04 ◼   ► but on the other hand I think that the

00:52:06 ◼   ► fighting the most surprising thing to me

00:52:08 ◼   ► about the current apple TV is that it

00:52:12 ◼   ► still uses infrared for the remote right

00:52:14 ◼   ► which just seems so super antiquated

00:52:17 ◼   ► does but i think it's like it's almost

00:52:19 ◼   ► like a barrier to entry thing they just

00:52:21 ◼   ► want to make it as easy as possible

00:52:23 ◼   ► which it is right like as long as you

00:52:25 ◼   ► can handle you interacting with the

00:52:27 ◼   ► thing with four buttons then you're fine

00:52:29 ◼   ► and but you still even with the IR that

00:52:32 ◼   ► you still run into problems where you

00:52:34 ◼   ► know the laser you get and the more

00:52:36 ◼   ► slumped down on your couch you are maybe

00:52:38 ◼   ► this is mine maybe he's just my TV

00:52:41 ◼   ► posture problems picturing you watching

00:52:44 ◼   ► TV with your legs up at the top of the

00:52:46 ◼   ► couch right you're you're sort of

00:52:48 ◼   ► hunched over with your head on the floor

00:52:50 ◼   ► make cereal the coffee table starts

00:52:52 ◼   ► getting in a way you know that you've

00:52:56 ◼   ► run into these weird line-of-sight like

00:52:57 ◼   ► line-of-sight seems like something that

00:52:58 ◼   ► we shouldn't have to worry about anymore

00:53:00 ◼   ► right

00:53:01 ◼   ► definitely and you know and if you get

00:53:02 ◼   ► up and run to the fridge for refills you

00:53:05 ◼   ► should be able to pause you know even

00:53:07 ◼   ► though you're not line of sight to the

00:53:08 ◼   ► TV anymore

00:53:09 ◼   ► that's interesting it's interesting like

00:53:12 ◼   ► you whereas are easy to Italy automatic

00:53:15 ◼   ► pausing so into this so you will or if

00:53:17 ◼   ► you just have the right if you have the

00:53:18 ◼   ► remote your hand you should be able to

00:53:19 ◼   ► do it and you can do that when you use

00:53:21 ◼   ► the remote app because it's over Wi-Fi

00:53:23 ◼   ► not line-of-sight right so if you've got

00:53:26 ◼   ► some time in your hand like all be in

00:53:28 ◼   ► the vibe every once in a while I'll be

00:53:31 ◼   ► in the bathroom like with my iphone and

00:53:33 ◼   ► I know that my girlfriend is in the

00:53:35 ◼   ► bedroom with the apple TV on she's

00:53:36 ◼   ► watching a show and I'll just dumb

00:53:39 ◼   ► I'll take a picture of myself and then

00:53:41 ◼   ► airplay the TV just to say hi

00:53:44 ◼   ► is that is that weird

00:53:47 ◼   ► she doesn't find it so funny is this

00:53:50 ◼   ► where it is it weird though that I would

00:53:51 ◼   ► that flag ask you to CC

00:53:54 ◼   ► me on that list that I'd like to be on

00:54:00 ◼   ► that I'd like to be on that list

00:54:02 ◼   ► well it's so this guy like that is a

00:54:03 ◼   ► good chuckle it is a good chuckle just

00:54:06 ◼   ► i'll start a tumbler with all my my

00:54:08 ◼   ► bathroom selfpics I'm really having a

00:54:13 ◼   ► hard time coming up with ideas for what

00:54:15 ◼   ► what they might add

00:54:16 ◼   ► I don't know man I don't know if I'm I

00:54:17 ◼   ► my creativity is at refining I i don't

00:54:20 ◼   ► know if i'm missing something obvious

00:54:22 ◼   ► like one of the reasons I wrote that

00:54:24 ◼   ► piece on during fireball two weeks ago

00:54:26 ◼   ► was to get people to send me emails with

00:54:30 ◼   ► all the obvious things I was missing and

00:54:32 ◼   ► I got some good ones but nothing that

00:54:34 ◼   ► really jumped out at me as oh my god how

00:54:37 ◼   ► did I not think of that you know i don't

00:54:41 ◼   ► know it's just I think that there it

00:54:43 ◼   ► just speaks to the to the pace at which

00:54:46 ◼   ► they're they're catching up to the ideal

00:54:49 ◼   ► it again it's like remember there was a

00:54:52 ◼   ► time when we were all waiting for the

00:54:53 ◼   ► next Mac to come out because we needed

00:54:55 ◼   ► more speed and we need more power we

00:54:57 ◼   ► need more hard drive space right

00:54:59 ◼   ► eventually they just caught up and we

00:55:01 ◼   ► could we were you know we're thinking

00:55:02 ◼   ► geez if that what is going to be in the

00:55:05 ◼   ► new 1i don't even know what I need

00:55:07 ◼   ► anymore and I'm so then what happens

00:55:09 ◼   ► when I mean like if your days sort of

00:55:11 ◼   ► allow you the camera to the global

00:55:14 ◼   ► picture what did happen is that they

00:55:16 ◼   ► started concentrating on a new platform

00:55:18 ◼   ► so is that the new way that is that the

00:55:23 ◼   ► way to think about it I mean is there a

00:55:24 ◼   ► definite like is there sort of a

00:55:26 ◼   ► slightly different platform that's

00:55:28 ◼   ► coming next on which they're going to

00:55:29 ◼   ► start iterating slowly that makes it

00:55:32 ◼   ► makes more sense to me and feels more

00:55:34 ◼   ► right than anything else and I don't

00:55:36 ◼   ► think I definitely don't expect them to

00:55:38 ◼   ► do is to make any kind of big changes to

00:55:40 ◼   ► the stuff that's already there in iOS as

00:55:43 ◼   ► we know it on the iphone and on the ipad

00:55:45 ◼   ► just for the sake of saying there's

00:55:47 ◼   ► something new mm you know yeah no

00:55:49 ◼   ► totally they know that that's not the

00:55:51 ◼   ► game that there and that's the other

00:55:52 ◼   ► hardware manufacturer right and as much

00:55:54 ◼   ► as they get Apple get so much press when

00:55:57 ◼   ► they make a big announcement

00:55:59 ◼   ► I mean just almost unfathomable amount

00:56:01 ◼   ► of of worldwide media attention when

00:56:04 ◼   ► they ask for

00:56:05 ◼   ► it they are not afraid of not making

00:56:13 ◼   ► changes they're not afraid to keep

00:56:16 ◼   ► things the same even though the people

00:56:17 ◼   ► want to be wowed and blown away like

00:56:19 ◼   ► I've asked about you know the fact that

00:56:21 ◼   ► the iphone 4s when it's turned off looks

00:56:24 ◼   ► almost completely identical to the

00:56:26 ◼   ► iphone 4 by far the biggest money-making

00:56:30 ◼   ► product and in apple right now and I

00:56:36 ◼   ► think arguably the single most

00:56:38 ◼   ► profitable product in any industry in

00:56:42 ◼   ► the world and the brand-new model for

00:56:44 ◼   ► the year looks exactly like the old and

00:56:47 ◼   ► the answer you know is if we could think

00:56:51 ◼   ► of something that was way better and it

00:56:53 ◼   ► was different we would do it and if we

00:56:56 ◼   ► can't find a if we're not ready to make

00:56:58 ◼   ► anything that's we think is way better

00:57:00 ◼   ► we're not going to make something

00:57:02 ◼   ► different just to have something

00:57:03 ◼   ► different right now does does does John

00:57:07 ◼   ► Gruber ever sit at home and think about

00:57:11 ◼   ► what's what's coming 10 years in the

00:57:12 ◼   ► future and twenty i do and i come up

00:57:15 ◼   ► blank i'm terrible at absolutely

00:57:17 ◼   ► horrendous

00:57:18 ◼   ► well I mean like your if you just like

00:57:20 ◼   ► to pie-in-the-sky just like it should

00:57:22 ◼   ► think you know space exploration robots

00:57:26 ◼   ► are all around us what it was human

00:57:28 ◼   ► computing human-computer interaction

00:57:30 ◼   ► look like I would think that it's you

00:57:33 ◼   ► know it's essentially invisible and the

00:57:35 ◼   ► hardware as pretty much disappeared or

00:57:38 ◼   ► as is is omnipresent like that it's get

00:57:42 ◼   ► that level of pervasiveness that we

00:57:45 ◼   ► don't even see it anymore so i would say

00:57:48 ◼   ► that the the next steps in the

00:57:51 ◼   ► development of the world's largest tech

00:57:53 ◼   ► company is going to be you know

00:57:57 ◼   ► incrementally reaching towards that and

00:58:00 ◼   ► i think that the way they do that it is

00:58:01 ◼   ► it is an every new generation of

00:58:03 ◼   ► technology they start with something

00:58:05 ◼   ► small and not at all obvious and not at

00:58:08 ◼   ► all popular straight like like

00:58:12 ◼   ► I guess we historically speaking at the

00:58:15 ◼   ► tail end of the developer of the like

00:58:17 ◼   ► feature completeness of the mac they

00:58:19 ◼   ► start working on the ipad and people

00:58:21 ◼   ► were saying it's ridiculously expensive

00:58:23 ◼   ► and why would you need that and then

00:58:25 ◼   ► eventually that sort of developed with

00:58:26 ◼   ► an ecosystem into what's what working

00:58:30 ◼   ► we're kind of saying is a device that

00:58:33 ◼   ► feature that's nearing feature complete

00:58:35 ◼   ► and and so that it's like certain it's

00:58:39 ◼   ► now it's kind of time to like come up

00:58:41 ◼   ► with the new ipod and what the hell is

00:58:44 ◼   ► that I mean like I'm one of these people

00:58:45 ◼   ► who actually firmly believes it's the TV

00:58:47 ◼   ► like the job the big screen now is gonna

00:58:50 ◼   ► is going to be the new thing that it

00:58:52 ◼   ► seems like the dumbest idea in the world

00:58:55 ◼   ► but then slowly develops over the next

00:58:58 ◼   ► 10 years

00:58:59 ◼   ► alright but there's some kind of angle

00:59:01 ◼   ► that we're missing

00:59:02 ◼   ► we dancing because I mean I will admit I

00:59:04 ◼   ► will fully admit that I my idea for the

00:59:07 ◼   ► iphone you know when it won 2006 like

00:59:10 ◼   ► the year before it actually came out

00:59:12 ◼   ► when the rumors were super rampant I

00:59:14 ◼   ► mean people have been talking about an

00:59:16 ◼   ► apple cellphone for years but then it

00:59:17 ◼   ► really accelerated beginning for the

00:59:19 ◼   ► obvious reason that they actually were

00:59:21 ◼   ► doing it and and while the details

00:59:23 ◼   ► didn't leak the fact that they were

00:59:25 ◼   ► doing it just inevitably made it

00:59:28 ◼   ► permeated the the collective

00:59:30 ◼   ► consciousness right

00:59:32 ◼   ► my idea was an iphone or an ipod that

00:59:34 ◼   ► made phone calls

00:59:35 ◼   ► yeah you know and that the you would you

00:59:39 ◼   ► know in the same way that you would

00:59:39 ◼   ► spend the click wheel up and down to

00:59:41 ◼   ► pick a song you would spend the click

00:59:43 ◼   ► wheel up and down to pick one of your

00:59:45 ◼   ► contacts and press the middle button and

00:59:47 ◼   ► it would call them and it would be good

00:59:49 ◼   ► all the same

00:59:50 ◼   ► sorry good and I thought it would be

00:59:51 ◼   ► great and then but in all the same

00:59:54 ◼   ► barriers existed to achieving that that

00:59:56 ◼   ► kind of exists in in this

00:59:56 ◼   ► kind of exists in in this

01:00:00 ◼   ► Nason TV world right now they still have

01:00:04 ◼   ► all the huge behemoth infrastructure to

01:00:07 ◼   ► completed to like ingratiate themselves

01:00:09 ◼   ► with right and so my idea for apple TV

01:00:13 ◼   ► is I don't know I guess exactly like my

01:00:15 ◼   ► TV with the actual apple TV connected to

01:00:18 ◼   ► it except you don't have to connect

01:00:19 ◼   ► anything and then it's super obvious

01:00:20 ◼   ► enough to make phone calls with it right

01:00:22 ◼   ► and I'm sure it's just as wrong as my

01:00:24 ◼   ► idea that the iphone would be an ipod

01:00:26 ◼   ► with the click wheel so I'm you know I'm

01:00:28 ◼   ► it's fun to be wrong though right that's

01:00:31 ◼   ► that's like the fun part of what we do I

01:00:32 ◼   ► guess

01:00:33 ◼   ► alright i'm not a nun at the least bit

01:00:35 ◼   ► embarrassed to be wrong about that

01:00:36 ◼   ► because I get you know might be may be

01:00:39 ◼   ► no fun at all if you could accurately

01:00:41 ◼   ► predict it

01:00:41 ◼   ► yeah gross right I cannot expenditure

01:00:44 ◼   ► did the iphone introduction day and

01:00:47 ◼   ► event was like one of the happiest days

01:00:48 ◼   ► of my life

01:00:49 ◼   ► me too and if i had predicted that it

01:00:51 ◼   ► would have been like while I was there I

01:00:52 ◼   ► saw that coming

01:00:53 ◼   ► by any chance did you see the trailer

01:00:59 ◼   ► for the other teaser for the master when

01:01:01 ◼   ► you called paul thomas anderson now I

01:01:03 ◼   ► did not go and watch it right this

01:01:06 ◼   ► second well not right this second but

01:01:08 ◼   ► like you said you know anything about it

01:01:11 ◼   ► now it's sort of this it's loosely based

01:01:14 ◼   ► on the on l ron hubbard huh yeah well

01:01:18 ◼   ► should I could I could watch it and then

01:01:20 ◼   ► we could have caleb take care of the oh

01:01:22 ◼   ► yeah go go and watch it going short

01:01:24 ◼   ► short

01:01:25 ◼   ► [Music]

01:01:29 ◼   ► that was terribly exciting i was really

01:01:51 ◼   ► good i don't know i just find I think

01:01:56 ◼   ► that he's the most exciting for a

01:01:58 ◼   ► director right now like he's he's he's

01:02:00 ◼   ► the younger version of the terrence

01:02:02 ◼   ► malick or something I our you know there

01:02:07 ◼   ► is a Kubrick night i agree i see it

01:02:10 ◼   ► ICL any edge of sort of Kubrick the

01:02:14 ◼   ► Mallik to PT Anderson yeah just the guys

01:02:18 ◼   ► that are not afraid to take things very

01:02:20 ◼   ► very very seriously

01:02:21 ◼   ► well and in a way of us an understanding

01:02:26 ◼   ► of the art of cinema that it can stretch

01:02:29 ◼   ► a moment to unbelievable length

01:02:36 ◼   ► well that's an interesting way of

01:02:37 ◼   ► putting it i like that and I'll tell you

01:02:41 ◼   ► what just out i'll tell you what that

01:02:42 ◼   ► that there's two parts of this trailer

01:02:45 ◼   ► there's a part on a beach visually it's

01:02:47 ◼   ► one conversation but what you see

01:02:49 ◼   ► visually is looks like some Navy guys or

01:02:52 ◼   ► something on the beach but then it cuts

01:02:54 ◼   ► to then it ends up

01:02:55 ◼   ► uuc then these this interview that's

01:02:58 ◼   ► taking place between two characters

01:03:01 ◼   ► what did that remind you a lot of the

01:03:05 ◼   ► interview in The Shining oh yeah

01:03:07 ◼   ► definitely other room is very so very

01:03:09 ◼   ► similar with the walking phoenix AZ

01:03:13 ◼   ► Jack 20 yeah um I think that every with

01:03:17 ◼   ► you have to come to with a little bit of

01:03:19 ◼   ► knowledge of what the the story is and I

01:03:22 ◼   ► think it's that will it's that it's the

01:03:25 ◼   ► origin story of El ron Hubbard and this

01:03:28 ◼   ► and his knee is his new nose neophyte

01:03:33 ◼   ► the right word is new like wingman

01:03:36 ◼   ► anybody find that he discovers to help

01:03:41 ◼   ► him run is

01:03:42 ◼   ► is you know his thing and that and I

01:03:45 ◼   ► know that there's like in Scientology

01:03:47 ◼   ► there's this tradition of the like very

01:03:50 ◼   ► military sick but not like navel and

01:03:56 ◼   ► analog in a naval analogy to to the

01:04:00 ◼   ► whole structure of Scientology so i

01:04:02 ◼   ► think that what we're seeing is that

01:04:05 ◼   ► where we're watching the background of

01:04:09 ◼   ► this may have the the wingman character

01:04:13 ◼   ► mhm I you know I don't know anything

01:04:16 ◼   ► about it is it it is it about

01:04:19 ◼   ► Scientology no it's not but it's about a

01:04:22 ◼   ► figure like l ron hubbard ah got it so

01:04:27 ◼   ► it's not really doesn't it got it sort

01:04:29 ◼   ► of Solon Citizen Kane was to first

01:04:32 ◼   ► yeah exactly exactly right so that's

01:04:35 ◼   ► three comparison and and it's Philip

01:04:36 ◼   ► Seymour Hoffman as their own Hubbard

01:04:38 ◼   ► character haha perfect yeah perfect man

01:04:43 ◼   ► I so I you know what is coming out one

01:04:45 ◼   ► movie coming out pretty soon pretty soon

01:04:48 ◼   ► all right so you got to come back on and

01:04:49 ◼   ► we'll talk about the movie

01:04:51 ◼   ► okay great alright gotta get that back

01:04:53 ◼   ► on the show will get these movie reviews

01:04:54 ◼   ► back in the meantime you can always

01:04:57 ◼   ► check out some VHS VHS cassettes of the

01:05:01 ◼   ► master the TV show with Lee Van Cleef as

01:05:04 ◼   ► an as a master ninja and Timothy band

01:05:06 ◼   ► Timothy Van Patten as a sidekick from

01:05:09 ◼   ► 1984 man that'll make a Mike Lee Van

01:05:12 ◼   ► Cleef anymore no I don't the mustache on

01:05:14 ◼   ► the many kidding me he was and he was

01:05:16 ◼   ► missing the tip of a finger didn't know

01:05:19 ◼   ► that

01:05:19 ◼   ► oh man that's whether the great things

01:05:21 ◼   ► about him and you know of course Sergio

01:05:23 ◼   ► Leone loved his clothes upstairs a clean

01:05:25 ◼   ► anytime you see a close-up of leave and

01:05:27 ◼   ► cliffs hand going for his pistol get a

01:05:30 ◼   ► lock he's missing a finger tip I mean

01:05:32 ◼   ► that you can't fake that kind of

01:05:33 ◼   ► badassery you know he lost that a bar

01:05:36 ◼   ► fight or something but yeah somebody bit

01:05:38 ◼   ► off

01:05:39 ◼   ► yeah i've got probably him you know like

01:05:42 ◼   ► you know you mean like they're right

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01:07:36 ◼   ► started by morgan spurlock the direct to

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01:07:42 ◼   ► small handful of directors that doing

01:07:45 ◼   ► them you know working in various

01:07:47 ◼   ► disciplines to basically join this

01:07:51 ◼   ► company and be represented by the

01:07:53 ◼   ► company to do work commercial broadcast

01:07:55 ◼   ► commercial work for you know bigger

01:07:57 ◼   ► companies one of the other directors is

01:08:00 ◼   ► gary has to it you know the filmmaker

01:08:03 ◼   ► behind a beautiful trilogy

01:08:06 ◼   ► helvetica America objectified and

01:08:09 ◼   ► signified a fighter been trying for but

01:08:14 ◼   ► remember not organized organized as you

01:08:16 ◼   ► say buildings that line right right

01:08:20 ◼   ► urbanized most of them are documentary

01:08:22 ◼   ► directors I'm like the I'm sort of like

01:08:23 ◼   ► the small web spot guy right

01:08:26 ◼   ► so in your usual humble way you have

01:08:28 ◼   ► described it accurately i would describe

01:08:30 ◼   ► it as that that Morgan Spurlock has put

01:08:33 ◼   ► together the Avengers of commercial

01:08:35 ◼   ► directors and you're in there I've

01:08:39 ◼   ► clearly i think clearly as the Hulk I

01:08:43 ◼   ► don't know which will see right nineteen

01:08:47 ◼   ► ninety nine percent of the time you're

01:08:49 ◼   ► Bruce Banner you know in nobody would

01:08:53 ◼   ► like you when you're angry

01:08:55 ◼   ► your pants are ripped yeah well that

01:09:00 ◼   ► part is true right soso could be could

01:09:05 ◼   ► be interesting

01:09:06 ◼   ► I'm you know there's always been the

01:09:07 ◼   ► threat of like doing these small ones

01:09:10 ◼   ► that i do but on a bigger scale of

01:09:12 ◼   ► course it's a whole different ballgame

01:09:13 ◼   ► ballgame when you're doing that because

01:09:14 ◼   ► there's an ad agency in place and

01:09:17 ◼   ► they're there they're the ones that are

01:09:19 ◼   ► delivering a lot of the creative input

01:09:22 ◼   ► and in my small in my little company and

01:09:27 ◼   ► sandwich video i basically act as the ad

01:09:30 ◼   ► agency direct to the client so there's a

01:09:34 ◼   ► lot of freedom in that there's a lot of

01:09:36 ◼   ► responsibility and I'm just kind of

01:09:37 ◼   ► curious about what happens in this i'm

01:09:40 ◼   ► mostly that's it is curiosity to see

01:09:43 ◼   ► whether I can whether it's something i

01:09:45 ◼   ► can actually do you say anything about

01:09:48 ◼   ► what you're working on right now you you

01:09:51 ◼   ► alluded at the outset of of the show

01:09:53 ◼   ► that you are editing yeah I'm editing

01:09:57 ◼   ► two things here at at pictures in a row

01:10:00 ◼   ► and Hollywood one of them is is the most

01:10:04 ◼   ► fun project I've ever gotten to work on

01:10:06 ◼   ► because it's like it's for a new video

01:10:09 ◼   ► game coming out the trailer and I've

01:10:13 ◼   ► never gotten to do that before and i'm

01:10:15 ◼   ► not a huge gig video game player but i

01:10:18 ◼   ► will this is a it's an interesting take

01:10:21 ◼   ► on an old format i can't say much more

01:10:24 ◼   ► than that I wanted to be about like a

01:10:26 ◼   ► nice surprise and it comes but some

01:10:28 ◼   ► heavy hitters are behind it in the games

01:10:31 ◼   ► and in the game's world and like it's

01:10:35 ◼   ► just a lot of fun because it's like it's

01:10:37 ◼   ► it's playing in a world that I've always

01:10:38 ◼   ► been partial to since I was a kid games

01:10:42 ◼   ► are big business now huge right i mean

01:10:44 ◼   ► it and i'm wrong i might be might be if

01:10:47 ◼   ► i'm wrong correct me and you should know

01:10:49 ◼   ► this but there's more money spent on

01:10:51 ◼   ► video games now then spent on motion

01:10:54 ◼   ► pictures

01:10:54 ◼   ► well I don't actually know I don't know

01:10:56 ◼   ► the number and i know that it could

01:10:59 ◼   ► easily be true could be that a video

01:11:00 ◼   ► game costs 200 million dollars to do

01:11:02 ◼   ► well but also that like the amount of

01:11:04 ◼   ► money that by us consumers spend on

01:11:07 ◼   ► video games is more than what they spend

01:11:09 ◼   ► to watch movies

01:11:10 ◼   ► I'm but at the very least they're in the

01:11:13 ◼   ► same ballpark

01:11:14 ◼   ► oh absolutely in the same ballpark and

01:11:15 ◼   ► then the model is sort of similar to

01:11:18 ◼   ► with the studio's cranking out the big

01:11:20 ◼   ► hits and they sequels and everything big

01:11:23 ◼   ► opening weekends and promotions 22 to

01:11:27 ◼   ► herald the arrival and teasers like you

01:11:30 ◼   ► exactly what you're doing trailers that

01:11:33 ◼   ► will advertise you know release dates

01:11:35 ◼   ► very similar

01:11:38 ◼   ► yeah then we'll do you do you play games

01:11:40 ◼   ► with the boy we play some games on the

01:11:42 ◼   ► wii wii is fun

01:11:45 ◼   ► yeah but he's he got a d/s for Christmas

01:11:48 ◼   ► and he loves it and it was interesting

01:11:50 ◼   ► to me because I wasn't sure whether you

01:11:53 ◼   ► know he also has like old we have so

01:11:55 ◼   ► many old iphone sitting around so he has

01:11:56 ◼   ► access to iphones and he does play

01:11:58 ◼   ► iphone games to but so is interesting to

01:12:02 ◼   ► me with the Des appeal to somebody who

01:12:04 ◼   ► if you already have unlimited access to

01:12:06 ◼   ► an iphone four games with the d/s appeal

01:12:08 ◼   ► to you as well and the truth is not

01:12:10 ◼   ► surprisingly it does because nintendo is

01:12:12 ◼   ► very good at what they do

01:12:13 ◼   ► mom and i think that the d/s games he

01:12:16 ◼   ► likes are far more immersive than the

01:12:19 ◼   ► iOS games that he likes sure I've played

01:12:22 ◼   ► with the 3d one

01:12:23 ◼   ► yeah that's what he has it three guys

01:12:25 ◼   ► okay that's pretty neat yeah it's

01:12:27 ◼   ► because and I generally don't like 3d

01:12:29 ◼   ► but it

01:12:30 ◼   ► you know that and I think part of the

01:12:34 ◼   ► reason that I don't like 3ds is right

01:12:36 ◼   ► down

01:12:37 ◼   ► Roger Ebert alley where I go to a movie

01:12:39 ◼   ► and you put these glasses on me and

01:12:41 ◼   ► forget the whole 3d 2d thing it's

01:12:44 ◼   ► everything looks dark and there's no way

01:12:46 ◼   ► to to make up for that movies look

01:12:49 ◼   ► better when the ball was right when the

01:12:51 ◼   ► picture is super bright and you put

01:12:53 ◼   ► these glasses on and everything gets

01:12:54 ◼   ► dark and so I've already disappointed

01:12:56 ◼   ► every time I see the 3d movie because of

01:12:58 ◼   ► that the 3ds doesn't involve any glasses

01:13:01 ◼   ► you just look at it and and to me that's

01:13:03 ◼   ► an enormous difference right I need to

01:13:05 ◼   ► me any 3d technology that requires

01:13:07 ◼   ► glasses that everybody who was involved

01:13:10 ◼   ► in making this stuff ought to be looking

01:13:11 ◼   ► for ways to get rid of it

01:13:13 ◼   ► sure what I was at the office and my

01:13:17 ◼   ► office i have a TV like a TV on the wall

01:13:22 ◼   ► that's actually 3d TV because it

01:13:23 ◼   ► actually doesn't cost much more than 24

01:13:26 ◼   ► a 3d enabled TV and and then the glasses

01:13:29 ◼   ► class 50 bucks and i happen to be like I

01:13:31 ◼   ► love 3d i love 3d movies

01:13:33 ◼   ► I'm all-in um and so I bought a few

01:13:36 ◼   ► blu-rays and easy and i love the

01:13:40 ◼   ► experience the glasses i can see how

01:13:42 ◼   ► they get in the way to like domination

01:13:46 ◼   ► but but when i when i tried all my

01:13:51 ◼   ► friends iphone 3d I mean what it is

01:13:56 ◼   ► yeah the nintendo 3ds without the

01:13:58 ◼   ► glasses and it just works you just have

01:14:00 ◼   ► to have the right angle of view and then

01:14:03 ◼   ► and all of a sudden it's this new pop

01:14:05 ◼   ► out pop out book I mean I guess that's

01:14:07 ◼   ► the feeling it gave me is like when

01:14:09 ◼   ► you're a kid and you look at a pop-up

01:14:10 ◼   ► book for the first time

01:14:11 ◼   ► yeah and I remember I've played you know

01:14:14 ◼   ► a couple of games I've and I'd it's one

01:14:16 ◼   ► of those things where I don't play as

01:14:17 ◼   ► many that my whole reason i got on this

01:14:18 ◼   ► was that I don't play as many games with

01:14:20 ◼   ► him on the wii as much because he's on

01:14:22 ◼   ► the 3ds and it's a no he's just all

01:14:24 ◼   ► personal experiences right but but I've

01:14:27 ◼   ► you know I've tinkered with it and with

01:14:30 ◼   ► the mario kart and but i think it's most

01:14:32 ◼   ► interesting for like a platform type

01:14:35 ◼   ► game where the game is 2d but they show

01:14:39 ◼   ► it in a little bit of 3d and it really

01:14:41 ◼   ► helps and and it's a

01:14:43 ◼   ► like a little joyful extra touch like in

01:14:45 ◼   ► a way that it's just it's not really

01:14:48 ◼   ► useful but it's just joyful when screens

01:14:50 ◼   ► on the iphone animate and slide and it's

01:14:53 ◼   ► very smooth like from a practical

01:14:57 ◼   ► perspective the 3d effects applied to a

01:15:01 ◼   ► 2-d game doesn't really serve any

01:15:03 ◼   ► purpose but it just somehow makes it it

01:15:06 ◼   ► does make it seem more fun is a question

01:15:10 ◼   ► I have to go back to the iphone for a

01:15:12 ◼   ► second and just talking about that 3ds

01:15:14 ◼   ► made me think of it why what that way

01:15:18 ◼   ► okay so that's the the rumors of the for

01:15:20 ◼   ► the 4-inch sixteen by nine iphone screen

01:15:22 ◼   ► right what the hell happens to the

01:15:24 ◼   ► millions of apps they're coded for you

01:15:29 ◼   ► know one and a half by one or whatever 3

01:15:32 ◼   ► by 2 aspect ratio

01:15:34 ◼   ► well it's funny you should ask i just

01:15:36 ◼   ► wrote about it before we started

01:15:37 ◼   ► recording i'm good i think that for most

01:15:40 ◼   ► of them that it's sort of like the way

01:15:43 ◼   ► that you resize windows on mac that you

01:15:48 ◼   ► know like Safari like the you know the

01:15:51 ◼   ► URL bar stays at the top and the other

01:15:54 ◼   ► buttons stay at the bottom and then

01:15:55 ◼   ► there's just more room in the middle for

01:15:57 ◼   ► content and it's the same way that apps

01:16:00 ◼   ► are already most apps are already

01:16:02 ◼   ► flexible in that regard like if you are

01:16:05 ◼   ► on a phone call hit the home button

01:16:06 ◼   ► while you're still on the call and go to

01:16:08 ◼   ► mail that double-height green status bar

01:16:12 ◼   ► that says hey you're on a phone call

01:16:14 ◼   ► it's double-height it doesn't cover

01:16:17 ◼   ► male-male squishes the window down so

01:16:20 ◼   ► that it gives the status bar an extra

01:16:23 ◼   ► you know 40 pixels or whatever it is

01:16:26 ◼   ► mhm on so i think that if developers are

01:16:29 ◼   ► using the api's right to respond to that

01:16:31 ◼   ► sort of thing that when the app is

01:16:33 ◼   ► launched on a phone with more pixels

01:16:35 ◼   ► it'll just go up there and grow now the

01:16:38 ◼   ► big exception and i'm sure it's why you

01:16:40 ◼   ► thought about it is games because games

01:16:42 ◼   ► don't have like a flexible content area

01:16:45 ◼   ► in the mail

01:16:46 ◼   ► right so like a list of mail messages

01:16:49 ◼   ► well the screen shrinks are grows

01:16:52 ◼   ► horizontally you just show more or fewer

01:16:54 ◼   ► messages in the list but a game is sort

01:16:57 ◼   ► of hard coded to a specific aspect ratio

01:16:59 ◼   ► and i'm not quite sure what the answer

01:17:00 ◼   ► is to that

01:17:02 ◼   ► yeah it's a tough it's a tough one

01:17:03 ◼   ► because it's for designers who are just

01:17:06 ◼   ► precious about every pixel and see it be

01:17:08 ◼   ► really really frustrating how many extra

01:17:10 ◼   ► pixels it's 1130 6-1 970 276 pixels and

01:17:17 ◼   ► it's only six it's a about a half an

01:17:19 ◼   ► inch physical size

01:17:22 ◼   ► yeah that's a lot to deal with

01:17:25 ◼   ► so like if you let her boxer or

01:17:28 ◼   ► pillar-box did or whatever you want to

01:17:30 ◼   ► call it with it you know it wouldn't be

01:17:31 ◼   ► I think that one solution to it is if

01:17:34 ◼   ► that an app is hard-coded only to have 3

01:17:36 ◼   ► by 2 UI elements that it would just be

01:17:39 ◼   ► letterboxed and yeah you know it

01:17:42 ◼   ► wouldn't be profound you know wouldn't

01:17:44 ◼   ► be still a huge black bars but there

01:17:46 ◼   ► would be black bars i'm i'm excited that

01:17:50 ◼   ► the screen is going to finally be

01:17:51 ◼   ► sixteen by nine for video because i

01:17:53 ◼   ► always feel weird watching video and you

01:17:55 ◼   ► have to choose which is the lesser of

01:17:57 ◼   ► two evils to you describe into it

01:18:00 ◼   ► ideally the letterbox all right products

01:18:03 ◼   ► and I think that's one of the reasons

01:18:05 ◼   ► they're going to do it as that you know

01:18:07 ◼   ► and and why did they do it from the

01:18:09 ◼   ► outset I don't know and they're never

01:18:10 ◼   ► going to explain themselves but my

01:18:11 ◼   ► thought is perhaps it was just a

01:18:13 ◼   ► technical problem that you know and and

01:18:16 ◼   ► to me it's about at the tension or a

01:18:20 ◼   ► major source of tension in the design of

01:18:22 ◼   ► these mobile devices is that you want

01:18:24 ◼   ► the smallest physical hardware device

01:18:27 ◼   ► possible and you want a big screen and

01:18:31 ◼   ► thatthat's there's tension there so the

01:18:34 ◼   ► way some of these android phones have

01:18:35 ◼   ► gone as if they've just will slack in

01:18:38 ◼   ► the tension on how big the devices and

01:18:40 ◼   ► said screw it will just make a phone

01:18:42 ◼   ► that's actually not even that

01:18:43 ◼   ► comfortable to hold in one hand but

01:18:45 ◼   ► you'll get a big screen and I'd I expect

01:18:51 ◼   ► holy expect that if if it's true that

01:18:54 ◼   ► Apple's doing a 4-inch iphone that the

01:18:55 ◼   ► actual phone itself will not be any

01:18:57 ◼   ► bigger it will be

01:18:59 ◼   ► the same size if not even smaller just

01:19:01 ◼   ► so they can be coy about it because if

01:19:05 ◼   ► you just turn on your iPhone and look

01:19:06 ◼   ► there's plenty of room on the screen for

01:19:08 ◼   ► it to be at a taller display they just

01:19:10 ◼   ► shrink the chin and forehead areas a

01:19:12 ◼   ► little bit right corner in the other is

01:19:15 ◼   ► a range of quarter-inch down is any

01:19:18 ◼   ► other heart phone maker doing or retina

01:19:20 ◼   ► equivalent display it i think so i think

01:19:23 ◼   ► HTC I think some of the android guys are

01:19:26 ◼   ► up in the 300 and some pixel range per

01:19:29 ◼   ► inch and and that's you know I think

01:19:31 ◼   ► anything over 300 by Apple's definition

01:19:33 ◼   ► counters retina true but a lot of those

01:19:36 ◼   ► guys it's in it's it's I'm just so glad

01:19:38 ◼   ► I don't have to really write about him

01:19:40 ◼   ► and try all those phones like the

01:19:41 ◼   ► engadget that's because it'll some of

01:19:42 ◼   ► them use the pentile AMOLED and that it

01:19:45 ◼   ► doesn't really count as you know right

01:19:49 ◼   ► now because they're cheating on the

01:19:51 ◼   ► sub-pixels and and it just looks gross

01:19:53 ◼   ► when you look at those amoled displays

01:19:55 ◼   ► yeah but I don't know what the answer is

01:20:00 ◼   ► four games I don't know

01:20:01 ◼   ► and then what happens because the other

01:20:02 ◼   ► thing too is that what happens to a game

01:20:04 ◼   ► that is optimized for the 16 deny phone

01:20:06 ◼   ► when it runs on the 32 iphone a smart

01:20:10 ◼   ► game with gaming the i think is

01:20:11 ◼   ► definitely the hardest thing to answer

01:20:13 ◼   ► on that because then you you would run

01:20:16 ◼   ► the same thing as what are they going to

01:20:17 ◼   ► do profit on a three-to-two and you're

01:20:19 ◼   ► missing some stuff on the side of the

01:20:21 ◼   ► the game that will work

01:20:23 ◼   ► alright alright you're going to have to

01:20:24 ◼   ► code the game so that it takes it does

01:20:26 ◼   ► both

01:20:26 ◼   ► I don't know it's weird but um amazing

01:20:34 ◼   ► still with that with those limitations

01:20:36 ◼   ► how extensible the the platform is

01:20:39 ◼   ► definitely just put all that power in

01:20:42 ◼   ► the developers hands and I do think too

01:20:46 ◼   ► i think that the I think that the the

01:20:50 ◼   ► big big use cases for these devices

01:20:53 ◼   ► especially the phone every week always

01:20:57 ◼   ► call it the phone but you know the phone

01:20:58 ◼   ► is just like the lamest of the things

01:21:00 ◼   ► that it does but it's a camera right

01:21:03 ◼   ► it's everybody's pocket camera right and

01:21:06 ◼   ► I'm you know a little bit of a camera

01:21:08 ◼   ► nerd and

01:21:08 ◼   ► I have like a that Rico that you know

01:21:11 ◼   ► that i carry around a little

01:21:13 ◼   ► pocket-sized camera and I mean it's a

01:21:14 ◼   ► pic i paid a hundred dollars for it so I

01:21:17 ◼   ► mean I my point-and-shoot camera cost a

01:21:19 ◼   ► tinderbox which you know I think

01:21:20 ◼   ► qualifies me not as a professional but

01:21:22 ◼   ► as a sort of prosumer idiot who spends

01:21:25 ◼   ► eight hundred dollars on a

01:21:26 ◼   ► point-and-shoot camera and I I you know

01:21:30 ◼   ► I don't know when I bought that around

01:21:31 ◼   ► 2006-2007 a long time ago but in camera

01:21:36 ◼   ► you know if you're a camera nerd type

01:21:37 ◼   ► type of guy and I'm just not tempted to

01:21:41 ◼   ► replace it because i use it less and

01:21:43 ◼   ► less and less than I just shoot all the

01:21:45 ◼   ► you know if i'm not using an SLR my big

01:21:48 ◼   ► fat canon 5d that i'm using the iphone

01:21:51 ◼   ► and i think a 69 display makes way more

01:21:55 ◼   ► sense for a camera i agree it's not it's

01:21:59 ◼   ► not a for it's not an aspect ratio that

01:22:01 ◼   ► any I think there's like what may be one

01:22:04 ◼   ► panasonic stills camera that shoots and

01:22:06 ◼   ► sixteen by nine natively right but I can

01:22:10 ◼   ► definitely see it being becoming more of

01:22:12 ◼   ► a popular form at all because I mean

01:22:14 ◼   ► because a it's exactly the same as what

01:22:17 ◼   ► we see on our tvs everyday i think

01:22:19 ◼   ► that's that's awesome right i would love

01:22:22 ◼   ► I even sometimes like when I shoot a an

01:22:25 ◼   ► iphone still or irregular still with my

01:22:28 ◼   ► normal camera i call crop it to sixteen

01:22:30 ◼   ► by nine just because I know as more of a

01:22:32 ◼   ► film look to it as soon as cinematic

01:22:35 ◼   ► look to it

01:22:36 ◼   ► right right that was exactly you just

01:22:40 ◼   ► took the words right out of my mouth

01:22:41 ◼   ► that I you know people have said to me

01:22:43 ◼   ► and I get in all sorts of great smart

01:22:44 ◼   ► emails from readers and listeners but

01:22:47 ◼   ► one of the things that people have held

01:22:49 ◼   ► up as I don't think apple is going to go

01:22:50 ◼   ► 16 29 is that the 423 camera 2423 camera

01:22:54 ◼   ► still photo ratio will be even worse

01:22:57 ◼   ► worse fit than on the existing phone so

01:23:00 ◼   ► my answer to them is exactly what you

01:23:02 ◼   ► said who says that the camera still

01:23:03 ◼   ► going to shoot for 23 right why not just

01:23:06 ◼   ► do co16 tonight if if if the screen is

01:23:08 ◼   ► 69 why not just go 69 on the images to

01:23:11 ◼   ► yeah it's ok it's a clear wall it's

01:23:15 ◼   ► interesting questions so you know if

01:23:17 ◼   ► you're on your camera and your shooting

01:23:19 ◼   ► is still i'm just going to look at this

01:23:21 ◼   ► real quick

01:23:22 ◼   ► shooting is still and you've got that

01:23:24 ◼   ► full I don't know it's four by three but

01:23:28 ◼   ► it's like it's not a 16 by 9 frame is

01:23:30 ◼   ► taller than that and then you switch

01:23:32 ◼   ► over to video mode and then the I'm

01:23:37 ◼   ► trying to figure out does the sensor

01:23:39 ◼   ► widen out the are you getting more image

01:23:41 ◼   ► and video motor you can I are getting

01:23:42 ◼   ► less on your debt you're definitely

01:23:46 ◼   ► punching in and remind that right i had

01:23:51 ◼   ► a theory but that it was a dumb thing

01:23:52 ◼   ► right now it's a crop but that's why and

01:23:56 ◼   ► that's arm just throw-in it as what's

01:23:59 ◼   ► that thing called the olloclip ever seen

01:24:01 ◼   ► that

01:24:01 ◼   ► yeah let's look for dr. that's the whole

01:24:04 ◼   ► that's like the major point of that fish

01:24:06 ◼   ► eye lens on the audio clip I didn't

01:24:08 ◼   ► realize this and and many many months

01:24:10 ◼   ► ago on the on the show dan and I talked