6: Laggy by Any Standard, with Guy English
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you know one thing I've noticed i have
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noticed I thought about this last week
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that I'm better friends in general with
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programmers programmers make for good
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people in my opinion it better friends
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then what like other journalists yeah
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well you know it
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not that there's anything wrong with
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other journalists but I I don't know I
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to me there's something like the way
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that programmers minds work
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aah at I something about it appeals to
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me like one thing I've noticed over the
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years and I do you know we very seldom
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do this you and I sometimes once in
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very occasionally while we're at a
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conference will get together and have a
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drink or something like that
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yeah you're a bit of a teetotaler
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exactly nah its if we don't it's the all
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Syrians it's not like we get there and
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anybody really didn't general talks
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politics right but I have noticed over
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the years that two programmers of
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different political allegiances can have
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a reasonable discussion in a way that
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almost nobody else if one is a
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conservative the others a liberal you
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know a republican a democrat whatever
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whatever you guys have up there and and
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in Montreal but you could be on
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different sides and programmers can have
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because they're their minds work in a
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very logical way that they can have a
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reasonable discourse about politics
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that's not to say one is going to agree
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with the other but it it doesn't devolve
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into ad hominem arguments and it's
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interesting said I die agree
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actually I've had a lot of discussions
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with people that I don't agree with
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politically but it's always remained
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pretty civil and and i think you're
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right i think it's like the like an
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analytical one of you where the other
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guy has a good point well okay you
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accept the point and you move on because
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if you're arguing about design or
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something like that
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well that's always going to be
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subjective but there's an awful lot of
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programming when you're collaborating
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with someone where it's like math either
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works or it doesn't work right
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I mean ultimately your that the feature
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it works it doesn't mean I mean you may
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have designed poorly but it's very
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concrete like is a crash
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what does it actually achieve the result
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that you want
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right are you getting 60 frames per
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second or you not getting 60 frames per
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second and three yes three binary
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exactly and I feel that it makes it in
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the same way that works for technical
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arguments emerge for political arguments
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just just shooting the shit about movies
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it also makes for good conversation
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yeah and I could you can see that any
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movies is a bit different because it's
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getting subjected to that right like
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what's your 60 frames per second for a
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movie like what's your objective what
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are you trying to achieve kind of it's
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not obvious still makes it but there's
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that sort of mindset still makes for a
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good conversation that's why i do i just
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have once you know I get back and I
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catch up on sleep a little bit always
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occurs to me that i just have I have a
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great time at WWDC yeah I have a blasty
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and what I mean you've got it
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I mean you're very analytical going
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again so you probably think i'm not
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surprised that you'd find that I super
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refreshing right and you know even the
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journalists who were on the same beat
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the guys who work at macworld and stuff
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I mean they're you know they may not be
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programmers but they're be closer to
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being programmers than most people who
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can you know say that their writers and
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I only go very analytical he acts like a
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lot of analytical people right and I
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think that's why you know the like Jason
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cells podcast the incomparable where
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they talk about movies and science
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fiction and stuff like that that I did
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it's more interesting to me than when
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you're you know general-purpose science
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fiction movie podcast would be because
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their approach to it is is again
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analytical yeah gram a big financial and
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again they did a sect the subject and
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lovingly but they do look really good
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job of sort of tearing it down taking it
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apart and seeing what they like and
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don't like about it and when they
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disagree it is it's it's a good argument
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it's cooking right right to be getting
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in fights last week i don't remember i
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cannot yet a black either like tuesday
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morning and what happened that Amy could
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be an Amy and
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no maybe I know you know what she was
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very excited that you're going to be on
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the show this week I yeah she's and she
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actually said she might listen to it
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really yeah it's that's high praise she
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didn't even listen to table soon she was
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true that's true you know a couple
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people only that that they were like at
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the lab the live show last week they
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said that you know that all that noise
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in the back of the room you know that
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that that was your wife
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yeah it was also it was her who texted
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me that they've closed the ball
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oh is it yeah it is my dog both of them
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did it was that got to text right during
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awesome i consider it and decided to be
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right from my wife and from the guy who
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owns the podcast network i'm on there
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are the two guys they're the two people
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who who wanted the bar reopened rather
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than the turns into the show
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well i have to tell you like once the
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bar open date stop listening to your
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well my thigh while I listen after then
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went back and listened to it again
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cables awesome all cable is it's
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certainly very attractive fellow oh I
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keep saying that people that with it
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with bringing them up there for the live
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shows its cheating it's really like you
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know it's it's it's just cheating so you
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show up for your neighborhood
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three-on-three basketball game and you
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you've brought Kareem abdul-jabbar with
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you and even since seven foot two and I
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like personality-wise cable the cable
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series like the the size of Hockenberry
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on the side not the Hockenberry doesn't
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have a great personality but I mean he's
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got like it just a towering yeah immense
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uses is a giant of a personality right
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so you know what's funny i was trying to
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reach for some kind of baseball metaphor
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to describe cable but you went with the
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cream into butter one soon was trying to
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play your sports game but you beat me to
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well basketball so is a rare sport where
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you can it you can bring in a guy who's
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seven foot two and then that's it
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there's nothing anybody can do
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we're going to mean there's nothing in
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baseball that's quite like that mean you
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can have I guess a pickup game and if
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you brought in
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the top pitcher in the major leagues
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nobody is gonna hit the guy but it's not
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going to be quite as obscene as you know
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is 74 allegedly giant right now but I
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thought that the live show went well
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yeah yeah right my snap judgment on that
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though the bar situation was a and I
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couldn't really think about it or
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discuss it because cable and I were amid
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discussion but I'm just and that's why
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you I think that you make better
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decisions like that if you just have to
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make the decision install right you make
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the right one of my thought was
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everybody if if we will open the bar and
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it gets noisy in the back and people
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can't listen to the show they can always
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listen to the download version the next
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day or next week whenever whereas if we
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keep the bar closed they're never going
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to get another chance to have that drink
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I can't agree more
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that's what I didn't I listen to the
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show like the next day or whenever it
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came out walking around San Francisco
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and yeah that was a day so whenever I
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got a fellow cable thanks a lot for that
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might be my guest this week I should
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probably say is a guy English guy thanks
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for being here it's a pleasure
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so guys background you enter and how to
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describe what do you do what do you do
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I'm a programmer but you were you
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specializing graphics yeah more or less
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but yeah i mean is i worked in the pc
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game industry for years and did some
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messed up on the consoles like PSP stuff
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and then I left and joined your game me
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Bennett did a bunch of mac software and
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then when the iphone came out a started
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contracting I've done a lot of the work
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on games and graphics in particular
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right but you're like a guy you're a guy
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who's going to sweat the details on
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frames per second
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yeah you're gonna make your gonna make
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something that's supposed to animate
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you're going to sweat the details to
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make it smooth
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yes that's pretty much what i do i
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optimize stuff you know get to get the
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album's working figure out the pipeline
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to make the process work smoothly
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I'm I i still think I think that there's
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some other WWE Cena
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just to talk about ya think everybody is
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sort of talked the retina macbook pro
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more or less to death right but there is
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something about that that I don't I
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don't think I talked about this with
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cable last week because i don't i don't
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think it had the Machine long enough and
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you you've seen it too
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and the thing that got me and stop me if
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i did talk about this with cable adds
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all kind of a blur but that the pixels
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per inch is lower than on the ipad then
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on the iphone iphone is like 300 and
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some that ipad is 267 pixels-per-inch in
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that retina macbook pro is 220 pixels
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per inch right and so I kind of thought
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will make you know I know it's gonna
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look awesome but I kind of thought maybe
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it wouldn't look as awesome as the phone
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and iPad because it's just not as many
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pixels per inch and I know that part of
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that is about expected viewing distance
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from the screen and your tend to be
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further away from a 15-inch laptop then
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you are from an ipad and you tend to
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hold on iphone really close to your face
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but what I've found in the week now that
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I'm really using this machine is that
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text looks way better than on the even
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the phone in the ipad its support
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blowing me away that it looks even
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better that it actually makes it makes
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me start to see the pixels on the ipad
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in the iphone retina displays and I
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think I know what it is and it's the
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sub-pixel anti-aliasing m which is only
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on the mac and not on iOS for various
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reasons and i know some pixel
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anti-aliasing is still somewhat
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controversial amongst those of us who
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really care about like anti-aliasing
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algorithms because I know like Mike
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Maddux had a tweet a couple weeks ago he
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told everybody they should just turn it
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off that everything looks better if you
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don't if you don't have it
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yeah I and I guess I mean for anybody
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who doesn't know the difference
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I mean I don't want this is one of those
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things where I could take 20 minutes to
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explain it but on the mac it defaults to
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they call it best for LCD any idea is
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that you use the red green and blue
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subpixels that comprise each actual
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pixel on the screen use the physical
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location of them to do the anti-aliasing
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which if you zoom in if you take a
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screenshot and zoom it way up you
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actually get like these weird color
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fringes around the letters so if you
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have black text on a white background
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traditional anti-aliasing the
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anti-aliasing that would be done with
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shades of grey which makes sense common
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sense would tell you that's how you
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would make these pixels look smoother
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the curves look smoother with sub-pixel
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anti-aliasing it's actually colors and
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it looks really weird if you zoom in and
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some people if the pixels on your
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display a big enough can see it with
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your naked eye and that bothers them and
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it also does some weird things where it
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kind of makes i think on old older
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displays with bigger pixels it it makes
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the fonts look thicker chunkier it will
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chunkier than without any kind of
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anti-aliasing right if you get if you
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like but maybe you chunkier than with
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traditional grayscale anti-aliasing I
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think that makes them look like bolt
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makes everything look a little bolder
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you don't think so I don't think so
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because I mean the tradition gray scale
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and using all three of those pixels
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going to be lit up like subjects is
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gonna be lit up right right i don't know
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maybe you know what I have to see
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excited by side but either way there's
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visual artifacts and I i think that the
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idea was that if the pixels get small
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enough you don't have to worry about
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sub-pixel aunt is in that regular
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anti-aliasing is good enough because the
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pixels are so small but I using the
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macbook pro for a week
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I doesn't no doubt in my mind that that
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sub-pixel anti-aliasing still makes a
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difference it makes everything look it
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makes text look just impossibly good and
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you can see it because there are still
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parts and in mac OS 10.7 em stuff that
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what you're going to correctly there is
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one of the reasons i have you on the
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show is stuff that's drawn into a layer
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back view is that right is not is not
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doesn't get the sub-pixel entail
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Jason that's correct i'm 10.7 yeah and
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so you can see this here the easy way
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that everybody can see it is with the
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transparent menu bar that apple
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introduced a couple of versions of Mac
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os10 where you can see the half see your
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desktop through your menubar their texts
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in the menubar therefore it gets the non
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sub-pixel anti-aliasing and on the
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macbook retina MacBook Pro you can
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really see the difference
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I mean it looks good it certainly looks
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better than any text on a non-retina Mac
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but it doesn't look as good as the rest
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of the text throughout Mac os10 on that
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retina display so you okay well nice i
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looked at you know I looked at your
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reviewing and at the macworld one and i
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loved it i mean the text look amazing
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but I didn't you know I probably should
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have managed to zoom in and checked it
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alone but it didn't bother
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do you find it grading like no because
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almost everything is some pics on entire
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list right so it's just you know it's
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like it its it's not grading because
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it's like looking at very very good text
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and insanely very good text you can see
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the difference you can see you can start
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on the menu bar you can see pixels and
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if you get close enough when you're
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looking like inside like a safari window
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forget it you mean like can get as close
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as my it's really funny it's like I've
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spent this week like not really using it
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so much but like just like getting my
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nose up almost up against the screen and
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like trying to see the details and
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that's what I think that's what
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everybody does first time to get when
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they just stick your face right up to
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interest basically try to find pixel but
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it really does with text especially it
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is it to the naked eye you guys close
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why you just don't see pixels even the
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way you can when you get real close to
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the iphone 4 and stuff like that right
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well I mean so they don't do right think
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you know this but they don't do
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sub-pixel anti-aliasing on the devices
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because you can change the orientation
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and when you change the orientation you
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can rely on the layout of the sub-pixels
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the same way you can on desktop that was
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so amazing because I swear to you that
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question and i believe that we have to
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I've asked you this privately like an
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instant messenger years ago when you
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you're my go-to guy for questions like
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that that was that was my question is if
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so why don't they do sub-pixel
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anti-aliasing on right okay too so and
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it's because it is so your answer is
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more or less because it actually relies
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on the order RGB obsessive pixels
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exactly the physical layout to be
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picture there you know going from left
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to right on your scheme screen it's our
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gbr gbr gbr gb and you can rely on that
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when you draw on your your shape your
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letter shape but now flip that so that
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it's in vertical orientation and it's no
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longer the same way right
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it's like it's RGB going downwards
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rather than going across so the
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algorithm has to change and it's
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basically just eat since you can't rely
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on lay out a bit where the subjects was
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going to be you can't really use the
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same algorithm and since the phone is so
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high density they just don't water even
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the original phone with high-density so
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one of the changes in mountain lion
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which references back to what i was
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saying before if one of the new things
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in mountain lion is that text in layer
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back views now gets the sub-pixel
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anti-aliasing yes and this has been a
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long time and it works right well it's
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not an easy thing to do because I'm like
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a layer is I'm trying to get at it
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describe it but in so if you think of
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and like you know I mean paper and you
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drawn something you can overlay it on
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something else you can see what's below
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it right and basically later like that
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you draw something on a layer and then
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you place it over something else you can
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see what's below it and you can posit
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the scene with it with a series of these
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sort of transparent layers now the issue
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with anti-aliasing text is that you need
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to auntie Lu set against the background
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so if you're drawing text into a
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transparent layer as you're drawing the
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text you don't know what the background
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is going to be as a background could be
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animated it could be animated exactly
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could be a lot of things so it's not
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it correctly antialiased text so they're
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fixing this mountain lion that there's
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change the way they handled entering the
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text so that it does actually managed to
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anti-alias in later back to you which is
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amazing because I think we'll talk about
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later but you know i'm working on mac
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app and then we add a plan to make
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anti-alias i lay back text work and it
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was going to be a huge pain in the ass
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to do but mountain lion just solves a
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problem for us if we don't need to tell
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me to worry about that we can come back
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to that later
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and so one of the things and weird
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another thing that we're going to come
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back to later but while we're on the
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anti-aliasing i should mention it is
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with the microsoft surface tablets which
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they're saying with their displays
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they're saying they have these cleartype
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HD and cleartype full HD displays and
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clear type is Microsoft's name for their
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anti-aliasing algorithm yeah and it
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anybody who's a nerd and really sweats
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these details will know that if you look
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at anti-alias text on mac and the same
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fonts like on a webpage say on Windows
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it looks different because they have a
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different anti-aliasing algorithm which
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some people prefers other people don't
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but they call it clear type right it's
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the original right so pixel
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anti-aliasing actually i believe that is
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true but i like what i think was did
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something on the Apple too but that's
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one of the things that stuck out to me
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was it everything from here exactly one
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of the things that that struck me that
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with the announcement was exactly what
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we just talked about was that that on
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the iOS devices you don't get sub-pixel
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anti-aliasing because you're going to
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rotate the display they can order it so
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then they say these things have clear
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type displays and I wonder how they did
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that and I believe what what were you
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gonna say I just redefined the term yeah
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that they're not really doing it has
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nothing to do with the old cleartype
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they're just reusing the nation
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in the same way that they're reusing
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surface right what you mean there's a
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nuclear type just means a higher density
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display that's my take on all right you
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ever see the old surface the big
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tabletop thing in person no I did once i
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saw one up at Drexel University of a
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couple of about a year ago I think
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sometime in the last year I was up there
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to do a little talk and a guy Ranna like
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a robotics engineering lab that invited
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me to do a little talk to your needle
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adelphia and they had a surface and let
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me play with it for a while and I could
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not believe how lag it was it was like
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giving latency is just dreadful like
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they had it and they were doing some
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cool stuff with that they were doing
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some really cool stuff with mapping with
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it like the grad students but they were
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just getting killed by the latency was
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just deadly I'm even if we I think even
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pre ipad you know everybody would agree
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with it was like he by any standards but
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compared to what everybody was used to
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it was it was horrendous
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yeah I don't know that it would have
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taken off regardless i mean it was sort
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of i was gonna take off
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that's right it's it was kind of
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expensive is big and bulky and how many
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people need that kind of stuff I thought
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it was a cool idea is pretty interesting
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but you don't want that ship the same as
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the iPhone so right i cannot believe you
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know what though I think long-term knows
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somebody is going to make something like
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that you know
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yeah I mean you know that 10 years from
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now wooden Apple have something that
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size we're running iOS that you could
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get me there's maybe maybe I think it's
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an interesting form factor I think you
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can do things in a shared space and
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collaborate with it in in an interesting
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way right it would be like to have
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nailed it but I think they've got
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they've got an idea that's pretty decent
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it would be to iOS like what the mac pro
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is to Mac os10 like something for video
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that they're only going to sell a very
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small sliver compared to the mass market
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but that you could charge a lot of money
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and the people who need it really want
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you know I can see their kind of thing
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in a store right totally or or you know
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there are all sorts of retail type
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situation and I think our classroom or
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something like that
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yeah take a shared space through very
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flexible workspace not to mention it's
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actually flat you can put stuff on it
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which is you know opens up a bunch of
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other interesting tips possibilities
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with the subject is all anti listen I
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know one way that everybody i always see
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it is when people are dicking around
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with CSS and using like transparent
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layers in CSS then instantly takes the
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text into the non sub-pixel anti-aliased
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right thing so I wonder if that gets
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fixed automatically now on 10-8 i don't
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know i have to look at that matters it's
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about the WebKit guys will make it work
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if the system supports that I bet they
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edid see some pretty fancy stuff so you
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know it's interesting I mean have you
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seen it have you do you know any
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candidate on that thing you know what
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but I'm thinking after I'm i was
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thinking that I should though but that's
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what i was thinking before I do finish
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my review i'm going to you know and I
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don't know I feel a little bad putting a
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beta on it a lot Apple owner but I feel
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like it even if it goes bad I can always
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just reinstall lion on the thing
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well I mean if you get with the USB
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Drive just love that and put it on that
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yeah yeah i guess so i don't know there
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might be I don't know and I think
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they're gonna care that you put that
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really don't think they're going to give
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yeah I don't think she'll but i do feel
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i would feel a little guilty mail it
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back to him like if it were breaking I
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go exactly it's like a brick
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thanks hon thanks man
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no I do and I don't know iight i to III
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tried to take good care of all my stuff
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i mean like my knock on wood my iphone
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4s is still like an in perfect shape but
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I with the Apple review stuff i take
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extra good care of it and i'm sure they
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actually don't care like if you mailed
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it back and it was like nicked up and
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add things on and stuff what do they
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care i mean i forgot to give the things
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out like candy but i feel like i don't
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know if it's it's like the sense of
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politeness like when you're in somebody
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else's home you know like you you you're
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more careful as careful as you are in
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your own home not to put your shoes on
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on the furniture
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I'm twice as careful and somebody else's
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home and that's what I feel like when
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I'm using the apple of existence right
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well I mean if it makes you feel any
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better I wouldn't trust anything that
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you emailed me back to being in your
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home for awhile either i just you know
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things going right in the furnace right
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is done with it
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that is true object that is what they do
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to that I mail it back to them and they
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just like white gloves they just turn it
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up and put it into an incinerator
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I'm bed they do the sensible thing to do
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right right into whatever the whatever
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they recycle the stuff you know somebody
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said you know anything about this just
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some sort of jumping all over the place
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you but uh there was the thing about the
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the macbook pro not being upgradeable
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and and that you can't get into a blonde
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that I fix-it guy he also said he talked
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to his pals in the recycling industry
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and that the way it's all glued together
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means that that they don't know how it
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could be recycled
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I thought that was nonsense because I
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thought if you wanted to recycle an
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apple product that you're not using
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anymore you just go into the apple store
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and say here i'm done with this thing
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and then it they just take it that's
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their problem
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ya done it i I've died I haven't done in
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a while I sort of let a lot of my old
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Apple kit that i own pile up but i was
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thinking I'd it actually reminded me
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that maybe i should bring some of this
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stuff in like do I really need a powerpc
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powerbook anymore
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probably not meeting maybe we get me
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dude shut up and stop calling macbook
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pros powerbooks if I actually but I is
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what I thought is it's not your problem
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you don't have to go it's not like you
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buy a macbook pro and when you want to
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recycle it you've got to go and pried
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apart with a screwdriver and separate
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the aluminum from the glass and all that
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you just give it to happen to their
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yeah and I mean I gotta you know yet to
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be born again and you know just takes
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one he calls up his recycling buddy be
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like hey you know how to recycle isn't
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as a no well it's not like you can't
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figure it out in audiences he's asked
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you silly that whole scandal is
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ridiculous to me i don't understand it
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at all and so it's designing you know I
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used to build my own pieces and stuff
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and that i'm still that's over right
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time i get inland I can't believe people
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at the thing that gets me is that
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everybody acts each time like it's a new
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story right i remember you used to be
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able to buy even on a Mac it wasn't even
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just a pc thing you could buy processor
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upgrades right like that magazines were
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macworld was full of it was a huge thing
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because your computer did cost it costs
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so much back then like you by like a new
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mac to see I and 1991 and it was like
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five grand and then like two years later
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you could buy like a a cpu upgrade for
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nine hundred dollars rather than buy a
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new four thousand dollars a computer
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well that was actually you know it's
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pretty pretty reasonable thing to do you
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know I mean I i don't think i ever
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bought this processor upgrade but it was
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always nice to know that you could write
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and I think that's sort of the comfort
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is what some people are missing but i
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think he nailed it with it with the the
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price when it's 5,000 bucks that's a lot
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of money trying to keep it going you
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know but when like like whats this red
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Mack 2211 i think it starts to 2020 $200
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us i mean which you know that's a chunk
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of change but it's less than half of
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what look it look at good max across you
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and it's good gonna last longer and it's
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a lot more usable and register I just
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really don't understand it if you didn't
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see this coming after the ipod shipped
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without you know double-a batteries i
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don't want to say it's been like 10
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years now right and you do pay a little
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bit of a premium but it's not as
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anywhere near as much as it used to be
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like seif forget who priced it out i
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think of it i think it was i think was
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Marcos podcast last week but pressure
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was Marcone and Dan talking about it
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where if you if you'd upgrade if you buy
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the old 15-inch macbook pro the new old
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one non-retina one and in the build
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order upgrade to an SSD and instead of
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spinning hard drive it it almost comes
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out to like more than the price of the
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macbook pro with retina display that has
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one built in and even if you like go to
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OWCA or one of those places and by the
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SSD yourself so you're not paying the
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Apple premium for it it still comes out
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about even like it's actually not that
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much of a premium for it
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lets you know obviously I think that
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they've got these things packed in a way
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that you know it
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there really are engineering trade-offs
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for that's the other thing that gets me
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is that people who make this assumption
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that Apple's doing this out of that of
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upgrades might and it's not about
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engineering problems i mean i can't
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prove that it is i can't prove that
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gluing the i forget what include
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something is glued in there but whatever
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it is that's glued rather than using
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screws i think it might be the SSD I
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can't prove that that's an engineering
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thing and that they're solving a real
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problem and that the not having little
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screw mounts makes it even thinner than
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it could be but I'm that's what i would
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bet that they're solving an engineering
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problem and that bet that to you
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I mean it why
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like what why would they bother it like
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there-there Apple things about the
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product there I don't think they'd spend
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a lot of time thinking about how to
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screw random people that want to upgrade
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their SSD this right does it drive don't
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you finish first you finish hers was
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gonna say yeah I think it's a byproduct
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that people can't mess with these things
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rather than the like an intent right I'd
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and I don't think it's any coincidence
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that as the devices get thinner and
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lighter that's when these trade-offs are
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made right right it's the air in its the
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air that that you can't replace the you
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know that the ram is soldered on the
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motherboard and edits on the 13-inch
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macbook pro which still has a
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traditional form factor
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there's still a little screw panel you
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can take off and get it out and it's
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when the macbook pro went to this
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quarter introduction and height that
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that they switched that I mean I think
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this I think the reason they have the
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old Mac the old-new macros and this one
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is it you know this is basically a
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shipping and was a prototype but it's a
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it's the next street is the next
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generation of stuff like when they ship
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the air and it was just as one unique
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sort of thing was a new approach
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I think this retina mac book pro is the
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same kind of thing I would
00:30:41
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ship this product we're gonna basically
00:30:45
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it's the it's showing the way forward
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it's like this is the way everything's
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gonna go we're going to ship this one
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we're gonna be eventually doing this
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sort of aesthetic and approach to the
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product across the entire line let me
00:31:02
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take a break here and thank our first
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sponsor do you use fantastic alki I do
00:31:09
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actually find it in fantastic all
00:31:12
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fantastical is our first sponsor and and
00:31:16
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the thing that always strikes me about
00:31:17
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fantastical is this
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in the old days I'm talking way back
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like beginning Mac os10 i think but
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certainly the mac OS 9 era Apple stayed
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away from making the apps that you use
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on a daily basis we didn't even ship mac
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OS didn't even ship with an email client
00:31:35
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the old days didn't have calendar didn't
00:31:36
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have an address book and eventually that
00:31:39
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I think that became untenable and they
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had to you know sort of everybody assume
00:31:42
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that your system is going to come with
00:31:43
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stuff like that so the good news was
00:31:45
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well there's a system-wide calendar and
00:31:47
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address book
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the bad news is that meant that
00:31:50
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third-party address books and calendars
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really really the sort of kind of got
00:31:54
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wiped out because they sort of their
00:31:57
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business model was based on the idea
00:31:59
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that there's an opportunity there and it
00:32:02
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was taken away
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well I I i think some funnies happened
00:32:06
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over the years though we're with some of
00:32:08
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these apps and I think I Cal is the
00:32:10
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first and foremost I think that's on
00:32:11
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everybody's hit list is one of the war
00:32:13
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steps apple makes a huge opportunity for
00:32:17
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third-party apps because it stinks i
00:32:20
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mean i have never heard anybody and
00:32:22
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anybody get started in Iran about ical
00:32:24
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I've never heard anybody stand up and
00:32:26
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defend it and say boy I really like that
00:32:28
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count fantastical is a is a calendar app
00:32:32
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for the mac and instead of trying to do
00:32:35
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the same thing as i can but with a
00:32:36
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better interface it is like a complete
00:32:38
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rethinking of how you interact with a
00:32:42
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calendar on your Mac it's a little thing
00:32:44
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that lives up in your menubar and you
00:32:46
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click it or you have a little lat
00:32:48
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you can assign a keyboard shortcut to
00:32:50
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drop it down just a little skinny panel
00:32:52
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that drops down from your menu bar shows
00:32:54
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you this month
00:32:55
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under eye and it shows you in a little
00:32:59
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list today tomorrow the next day next
00:33:01
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three days three four days of your
00:33:03
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events so here's some here's a calendar
00:33:05
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for the month
00:33:06
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here's your events and this is the part
00:33:09
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that gets me because this is the thing
00:33:10
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that's the worst about ical is when you
00:33:12
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want to make a new event you just type
00:33:14
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in a text field in plain language and it
00:33:17
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just parses it and as its parsing it
00:33:20
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it uses this this great interface to
00:33:22
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sort of show you what it thinks you're
00:33:25
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typing so if you just type talk show
00:33:29
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thursday 1pm it just knows that that the
00:33:33
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event name is talk show thursday it
00:33:36
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noses this next thursday and you type 1
00:33:38
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pianos you mean 1pm and hit return and
00:33:42
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boom there it is a new event on your
00:33:44
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calendar so instead of like the way I
00:33:45
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characterizing not starting that's every
00:33:47
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time where it's like you type the name
00:33:49
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and then you go over to the field and
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you pick a month and you go over to the
00:33:52
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next field and you pick a day and every
00:33:55
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single thing is like tab to a new field
00:33:56
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tab to a new field just one field you
00:34:00
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type in plaintext it does an amazing job
00:34:02
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►
guessing what you're doing and visually
00:34:06
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►
it's a beautiful app it is so convenient
00:34:08
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►
so it's great for two things that I
00:34:10
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Cal's totally crap for one what's going
00:34:14
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on what's on my schedule today tomorrow
00:34:16
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the next few days
00:34:17
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easy easy obvious interface for it and
00:34:20
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for new event creation you just can't
00:34:23
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i would i would buy it even if it didn't
00:34:25
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even have a view i would buy fantastical
00:34:27
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just for the text field for creating new
00:34:30
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events I think you should want an ad i
00:34:33
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think it didn't because it's an
00:34:36
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unconventional app in that it sits in
00:34:39
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the menu bar rather than having a main
00:34:40
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window that's a good point i do think
00:34:43
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and I you know what I think the other
00:34:44
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reason that I don't think it would win a
00:34:46
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DA is the internal politics of it is
00:34:48
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that it makes ical look so bad Frank
00:34:51
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I'm you know it's a good a calibrator it
00:34:54
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really is it's it's it's going to give
00:34:57
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it a GD a right and so there's other
00:34:59
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ones you know i'll just mention like
00:35:00
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there's busy cow right and I mentioned a
00:35:03
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competitor while talking about this week
00:35:05
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sponsor because fantastic if you use
00:35:08
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your ical replacement fantastical
00:35:10
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integrates great with it the one good
00:35:12
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thing about the apple/system is that
00:35:14
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it's a system provided calendar store
00:35:16
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like it works with your calendars that
00:35:18
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you've set up and I count the same way
00:35:20
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that busy so if you're busy Cal user
00:35:21
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which I am I don't use ical for anything
00:35:23
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if I need a big full screen
00:35:26
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here's a you know take up the whole
00:35:27
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screen thing i use busy count but
00:35:28
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fantastic out works great with busy cow
00:35:31
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right but i would buy it just for the
00:35:34
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the the input such a great app and
00:35:39
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here's the best thing the best thing is
00:35:40
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they're having I then this this one
00:35:42
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thing about this doesn't make any sense
00:35:44
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they're having a back-to-school
00:35:45
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promotion now this i don't understand
00:35:47
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it's it's June my kid just got out of
00:35:49
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school last week
00:35:51
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well did you know they don't know
00:35:53
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anything about dates those guys
00:35:55
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yeah I don't know that there have it i
00:35:56
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think they got the calendar on but that
00:35:59
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they're having a back-to-school
00:36:00
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promotion and it's fifty percent off
00:36:03
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well so everybody can get you can buy
00:36:05
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fantastical for 999 its regularly 1999
00:36:09
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you can get it now for 999 I think
00:36:11
◼
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you're nuts if you don't have this app
00:36:13
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and you don't even have to take my word
00:36:15
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for it because they have a 14-day free
00:36:16
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trial man just do it
00:36:20
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yeah I don't just do honestly it's with
00:36:22
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ten bucks just to check out like if you
00:36:24
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have any interest in sort of a I or
00:36:27
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pausing anything just pay the 10 bucks
00:36:30
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type a few things into that field and
00:36:31
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see how good job is is it it's terrific
00:36:34
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yeah so you can just google fantastical
00:36:35
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go to the website or you can just go to
00:36:37
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flex a bit fle x ibit s.com and check it
00:36:43
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14-day free trial 999 back-to-school
00:36:46
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promotion in the middle of june is a
00:36:49
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fantastic at my thanks to them for
00:36:50
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sponsoring the show this week so back to
00:36:55
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WC yeah I have two more things I want to
00:36:58
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talk about from WWDC and I got a couple
00:37:00
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of things to all right well one of them
00:37:02
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is is the pull to refresh that they've
00:37:05
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added to iOS yeah which is something
00:37:08
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I've been hoping they would do but the
00:37:10
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wondering if they never would write out
00:37:14
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well two factors there's two factors
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there one is pride
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I well I would say three actually
00:37:22
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pride obvious pneus and patents right so
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pride is that it was not invented by
00:37:33
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them it was invented by lauren Richter
00:37:35
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for his 14 Tweety his you know which is
00:37:39
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now really in doing that which is now
00:37:42
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did been right well now it's the
00:37:45
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official twitter client now it's not the
00:37:47
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that's not that's not Tweety now but he
00:37:50
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invented for tweeting so pride would be
00:37:53
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well he invented it and it was different
00:37:55
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than anything apple had come up with and
00:37:59
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so maybe they would their pride would
00:38:00
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keep them from adopting something that
00:38:02
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came from the third-party obvious is
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that and this is the day I think the
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worst argument and I don't really think
00:38:09
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even Apple would go for it is that it's
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there I OS favors the visual over the
00:38:16
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implied and gestures and iOS are almost
00:38:19
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always for things that there's a visual
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way to do so like you know the shortcuts
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that take gestures there's usually a
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button that you could tap to do it too
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but that doesn't really hold water
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because nobody's saying that they should
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get rid of the reload button and only
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have pulled over fresh they should just
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add it as something else and it doesn't
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take anything away
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well have you seen what they did do I
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didn't but I don't have it in front of
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me right now they did exactly that they
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got rid of the refresh button only that
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progression male I didn't notice that
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yeah which I find weird i would
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personally I would keep the button
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yeah yeah I would've kept the button to
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button certain anybody know and you know
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it was so I'm thinking that most i think
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i'm thinking that their line of thinking
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is that most people have push email like
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it's you don't actually need to refresh
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your email that much
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by default just come in mm so getting
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the buttons not that big a deal and if
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you want to pull to refresh well you've
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got it right
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that's good because I've said this
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before you know and and even now because
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on my main phone i still haven't
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upgraded to 6 beta but
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I because of pull-to-refresh and how
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many other apps third-party apps I use
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that have adopted it I i pulled a
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refreshing mail every time i'm reading
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mail on my phone every time I just do it
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I can't help but think that that's why
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they finally broke down and an added it
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is that they were doing it to probably
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and it's just it's just a good idea just
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makes sense and you know what they
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didn't just added to mail it's actually
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added to the underlying frameworks any
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table you can have a pull to refresh now
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right which is a big deal i think it's a
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sort of it to second official embrace
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it's not just that they've added it to a
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nap it's officially embrace that
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sprinkler system and now they did in a
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kind of a weird way it is that little
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animation thing like it looks like a
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water droplet the eastwood pull apart or
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like maybe like a piece of putty that
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you have stretching and then you want to
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you reach a breaking point and that
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yeah and then it yeah and like you said
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with cable last week it it triggers when
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you drink that the party rather than
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when you will like let go of me I'm
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right which is a bit weird but the other
00:40:38
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thing I kind of find a bit weird is it
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Lawrence implementation and pretty much
00:40:42
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all the other ones have some text
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telling you what's going to happen and
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the apple one just has this party
00:40:49
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you don't mean it doesn't say like
00:40:51
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pull-to-refresh sure it doesn't say
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what's going to happen something you
00:40:55
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know right they've actually made it less
00:40:58
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yeah yeah it's not clear what's gonna
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happen when you break that thing right
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with Lauren's it was as soon as you
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pulled the view you're at the top of the
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view and as soon as you pull it down a
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little bit it would say like hey keep
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going you can pull the refresh me and I
00:41:15
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actually chatted briefly with Lauren
00:41:17
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about it just a I I thought it was his
00:41:20
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reaction to it was exactly what I
00:41:21
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expected but i just wanted to check to
00:41:24
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make sure i want to say hey to you is it
00:41:27
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like a thrill you kind of honored or you
00:41:29
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feel ripped off and he's like thrilled
00:41:31
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he thinks it's absolutely great that
00:41:33
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Apple is is putting it in the system now
00:41:36
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but like us hehe dis you know he doesn't
00:41:40
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think that the new all you have to do is
00:41:43
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pull and not let go that he did he did
00:41:46
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he likes his implementation
00:41:47
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better right so I so this is a good
00:41:50
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discussion we had last week I don't
00:41:52
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think you were there but there's a
00:41:53
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couple of us a table in Moscow knee in
00:41:56
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between sessions were talking about
00:41:58
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did Apple make that change so that it
00:42:02
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happens only when you after only by
00:42:04
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pulling not by pulling letting go
00:42:06
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did they do that out of pride like like
00:42:09
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they've convinced themselves like now we
00:42:11
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you know we didn't do it before but now
00:42:13
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we've come up with a way to make pull
00:42:15
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refresh right or is it a patent thing
00:42:19
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that the patent that twitter has on
00:42:21
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polar of fresh apples implementation
00:42:23
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doesn't violate the letter of it that
00:42:28
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knows combination i don't know I to me
00:42:31
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and it might just be my general version
00:42:34
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like repulsion I'm repulsed by software
00:42:37
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patents on silly things that I say no
00:42:40
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it's not the patent thing but I forget
00:42:42
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who it was that it was Matthew panza
00:42:44
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Reno was at the table and I think he was
00:42:46
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like reading he pulled up Twitter's
00:42:48
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patent application on it and and those
00:42:51
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pants I mean I just think I get two
00:42:53
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►
seconds into him and I just fall asleep
00:42:54
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i'm out i'm just it's like it's it's
00:42:58
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like a sedative
00:42:58
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it just puts me right out because of the
00:43:00
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way they're written but he was reading
00:43:01
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it and his you know layman's reading of
00:43:04
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it was that you
00:43:05
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you know that the patent describes pull
00:43:06
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down and let go and that if you you know
00:43:09
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that the apples actually on the good on
00:43:11
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you know so if that's actually the case
00:43:12
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that they had lawyers who said you know
00:43:14
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you've got to do this then I feel feel
00:43:16
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bad for the engineers who did it if it's
00:43:19
◼
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because they think that this is better
00:43:21
◼
►
and you're out there listening please
00:43:23
◼
►
please please change it to two more
00:43:25
◼
►
closely follow the treaty model before
00:43:28
◼
►
iOS 6 finishes I really think that that
00:43:31
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►
this is not an improvement
00:43:32
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►
well this is not just me all right it's
00:43:34
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going to be absent we're going to be
00:43:36
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doing that right so I'm I mean it could
00:43:41
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be the patents but it they have a lot of
00:43:46
◼
►
patent fights right i don't think that
00:43:48
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►
they intentionally avoids doing what
00:43:50
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►
they think is great to it you know to
00:43:53
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►
avoid up to avoid patent they think
00:43:55
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►
they're constantly having patent but
00:43:57
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►
it's okay one thing that I think is
00:43:59
◼
►
irrelevant irrelevant
00:44:01
◼
►
his Twitter's promise not to use
00:44:04
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►
software patents yeah aggressively which
00:44:09
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►
is admirable
00:44:10
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►
I'm glad they did it's certainly better
00:44:12
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►
it's better than nothing and it's you
00:44:14
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►
know it's an admirable stands for the
00:44:15
◼
►
company to take but i think it's
00:44:17
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►
irrelevant because there is zero chance
00:44:18
◼
►
that Apple's lawyers give two craps
00:44:20
◼
►
about what Twitter is quote/unquote
00:44:22
◼
►
promised exactly
00:44:23
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►
yeah i mean i'd i'd believe them exactly
00:44:26
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►
i think there but that doesn't mean it
00:44:28
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►
it's not legally binding and handling
00:44:31
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►
exactly and whose you know you know if a
00:44:34
◼
►
new CEO comes into twitter he doesn't
00:44:36
◼
►
give two craps with the old CEO set
00:44:38
◼
►
right well exactly i mean used to say
00:44:40
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►
that Google is my Twitter and then
00:44:41
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►
reinstall the pants to New gabble
00:44:43
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►
exactly whatever right
00:44:45
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►
yeah alright so what are you get so I
00:44:50
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►
got a couple of things that I just want
00:44:52
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►
to talk about um so you had a bit
00:44:54
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►
regarding at possible tall screen iphone
00:44:58
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►
yes right and you suppose that they were
00:45:03
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►
pitch it at WWDC by i'm having the
00:45:08
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►
notifications sort of push down the view
00:45:11
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►
tune and they would encourage developers
00:45:14
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►
to make their layout more flexible
00:45:17
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►
vertically right right so one thing they
00:45:21
◼
►
did add which nobody's really talked
00:45:23
◼
►
about much is they've added an auto
00:45:26
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►
layout system to iOS where you can
00:45:30
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►
describe the relationship between
00:45:31
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►
various controls and how they react to a
00:45:33
◼
►
screen size changes so it's nice now
00:45:36
◼
►
like that you can sort of say well this
00:45:38
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►
you know this button should be at the
00:45:41
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►
end of this text field and with you know
00:45:43
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►
eight pixels in between it and they
00:45:46
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►
should both be clapped the right-hand
00:45:47
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►
side of the screen so that we need
00:45:48
◼
►
change the orientation all of the
00:45:51
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►
control certainly out nicely right it's
00:45:53
◼
►
like a way of saying these things should
00:45:55
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►
be at the bottom
00:45:56
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►
these things should be at the top and
00:45:57
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►
you don't have to define how wide the
00:46:00
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►
middle is right yeah you just described
00:46:02
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►
the relationships between the items and
00:46:05
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►
basically they're like where they
00:46:07
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►
respected the top and bottom left of the
00:46:09
◼
►
bed or whatever so that's in ios6 now
00:46:14
◼
►
that's like seems like that would be
00:46:17
◼
►
kind of handy for you know another
00:46:19
◼
►
device with a different shape screen
00:46:21
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►
right or yeah or an app that doesn't
00:46:24
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►
know the size of the screen
00:46:26
◼
►
exactly because for you know it there
00:46:28
◼
►
are a hundred million iphones out there
00:46:32
◼
►
with this size that the current size
00:46:34
◼
►
screen 1.12 one point that the 322
00:46:37
◼
►
aspect ratio iphone screen so even if
00:46:40
◼
►
it's true that the next iPhone has a
00:46:42
◼
►
wider taller whatever you want to
00:46:44
◼
►
describe it screen it's not like apps
00:46:47
◼
►
will switch to the new dimension they're
00:46:50
◼
►
going to have to support both but all
00:46:52
◼
►
right exactly and the auto layout stuff
00:46:55
◼
►
that's one of those that's a technology
00:46:57
◼
►
that started on Mac os10 that's not new
00:46:59
◼
►
its new to ios6 but it's not new to Coco
00:47:03
◼
►
know they edited in Lyon right and
00:47:05
◼
►
that's you know and it's useful for the
00:47:08
◼
►
mac obviously because windows most
00:47:10
◼
►
windows are arbitrarily resizable right
00:47:13
◼
►
yeah but it's interesting that they're
00:47:15
◼
►
taking that like a technology designed
00:47:18
◼
►
for arbitrarily sizable windows and
00:47:20
◼
►
bring it to a device with a fixed size
00:47:21
◼
►
screen right which you know makes me
00:47:24
◼
►
think that at the very least they're
00:47:26
◼
►
building in a system that will be able
00:47:29
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►
to support various sized screens it at
00:47:32
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►
some point in the future right i don't i
00:47:33
◼
►
don't want to play games and be coy with
00:47:35
◼
►
the NDA on session contents but i will
00:47:40
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►
say i haven't seen I didn't see the auto
00:47:42
◼
►
layout sessions but there at like at the
00:47:44
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►
top of my cue from the download list
00:47:46
◼
►
from the videos that came out yesterday
00:47:47
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►
or two days ago actually uh but I noted
00:47:51
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►
that there was it wasn't just one there
00:47:52
◼
►
was at least two it was like
00:47:54
◼
►
introduction auto layout on iOS and then
00:47:56
◼
►
there was an advanced auto layout on iOS
00:47:58
◼
►
right you know actually checked and it's
00:48:00
◼
►
here at the Auto layout was mentioned in
00:48:03
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►
the canyon so yeah yeah and well and I
00:48:06
◼
►
think that I don't think that the
00:48:07
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►
session titles themselves
00:48:09
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►
I mean and deny it i'm not going to
00:48:11
◼
►
avoid talking about session times but i
00:48:14
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►
don't think i think once the schedule
00:48:15
◼
►
came out you can say what the schedules
00:48:18
◼
►
you know what the you can say what the
00:48:20
◼
►
sessions are I think the contents are
00:48:22
◼
►
under NDA but i don't think that the
00:48:24
◼
►
titles of the sessions are and it
00:48:26
◼
►
yeah i mean i don't think anybody's
00:48:28
◼
►
gonna raise too much for stink right
00:48:31
◼
►
yeah so the other thing is Colonel level
00:48:36
◼
►
aslr which is address space layout
00:48:38
◼
►
randomization so when different when
00:48:42
◼
►
libraries get loaded into into the
00:48:44
◼
►
kernel they are placed in different
00:48:46
◼
►
locations in memory so that if you have
00:48:50
◼
►
an exploit code you can't you can't rely
00:48:54
◼
►
on like a certain function being in a
00:48:56
◼
►
certain place so it makes it harder to
00:48:58
◼
►
exploit the colonel so that has you know
00:49:02
◼
►
that two pretty big security step and
00:49:04
◼
►
I'm kind of interested to see how that
00:49:06
◼
►
affects jailbreaking on ios6 I that's
00:49:10
◼
►
interesting and I really was wondering
00:49:12
◼
►
long-term about that because Mac os10
00:49:14
◼
►
his head that's another thing that came
00:49:16
◼
►
to the mac first but i thought i saw and
00:49:19
◼
►
i just i don't follow jailbreaking that
00:49:20
◼
►
closely i thought i saw that somebody
00:49:22
◼
►
had already issued a jailbreak for iOS 6
00:49:24
◼
►
is that without the Joker's that not
00:49:25
◼
►
true I'd I haven't seen i don't know i
00:49:27
◼
►
just started with an interesting thing
00:49:29
◼
►
to look into heaven
00:49:30
◼
►
I mean maybe can still give you getting
00:49:34
◼
►
up early enough before they start
00:49:35
◼
►
happens but either way this is a good
00:49:38
◼
►
security thing
00:49:39
◼
►
yeah it's very good i've never seen any
00:49:42
◼
►
is always seems like whenever i see like
00:49:44
◼
►
i could guy like Charlie Miller right
00:49:49
◼
►
you know like at one of the absolute top
00:49:51
◼
►
mac OS at third party security guys out
00:49:55
◼
►
there like what his advice is all I SLR
00:49:58
◼
►
is that right aslr get address space
00:50:01
◼
►
layout randomization is at the top of
00:50:04
◼
►
his list of things apple could do to
00:50:07
◼
►
improve iOS right and so they did it
00:50:09
◼
►
which is cool right
00:50:11
◼
►
and there's another in other words if
00:50:12
◼
►
you find and exploit a buffer overflow
00:50:14
◼
►
where you can inject code you have no
00:50:16
◼
►
idea where it's going to go right
00:50:18
◼
►
whereas before a SLR it would go to the
00:50:21
◼
►
same place every time
00:50:22
◼
►
exactly and you can build a plan from
00:50:24
◼
►
there exactly so this makes it a lot
00:50:26
◼
►
harder at least two you know to exploit
00:50:30
◼
►
about for overflow right
00:50:31
◼
►
and next up on my little sister is a
00:50:34
◼
►
facetime over cellular accelerator
00:50:38
◼
►
which happened go ahead well I haven't
00:50:39
◼
►
seen anybody talk about that is anything
00:50:41
◼
►
that's what's on my list I don't want
00:50:43
◼
►
people are talking about it it there we
00:50:47
◼
►
go we've talked about it why do you
00:50:48
◼
►
think it's 4s and iphone or ipad 3 only
00:50:52
◼
►
I think it's pretty obvious I i think
00:50:59
◼
►
it's a marketing thing
00:51:00
◼
►
yeah I think it's just just to make you
00:51:03
◼
►
know that Dave and there's a pretty
00:51:05
◼
►
complicated matrix of all of iOS 6
00:51:08
◼
►
features and why what device gets what
00:51:11
◼
►
right i don't really understand what
00:51:13
◼
►
they're doing their bit but yeah I think
00:51:15
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►
it's probably American thing plus you
00:51:16
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know what it limits the number of
00:51:17
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►
devices that can actually do it which
00:51:20
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message I forget it forget who I talk to
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somebody yet now it was i I now and I
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know who it was it was it was a good
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source they didn't know and the
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carrier's didn't know apple just did it
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same here that they're not really giving
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they're not really not really up to the
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carrier's although we'll find out we
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will find out when it ships whether it
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you know like it's a thing like verizon
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has it an AT&T dozen right i mean they
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would have thought they'd said that
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yeah I don't know what I do know is that
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since day one it's worked with the sound
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working we just turn it off right you
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know and the the counter example would
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be tethering which is definitely up to
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carriers and they can bill you for it
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the reason is that carried that that's a
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that tethering is like a known carrier
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feature that they sell on other things
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that they built by whereas i did I can't
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see AT&T adding a new bill to your
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iphone so that you can do facetime
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right it's like you can almost see their
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deals with Apple mentioning tethering
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and we got like specific terms rounded
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alright then apple just goes invent
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something new that wasn't in the
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contract and cameras going to get
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stiffed right i'm curious to see how
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bandwidth-intensive it is
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yeah right because you can definitely
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run up against these the bandwidth
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caption like these you know two
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gigabytes is a lot for email and web
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yeah i mean and i know there's somebody
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out there listens to the show was like
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all I do is email and web surfing and I
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run up against the two gigabyte thing
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every night I mean you can do it but it
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really takes I think streaming video to
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really kind of rack up against that
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ya see against Marco easy to deal with
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samar kosher market host at WC last
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weekend was using his ipad 3g or LTE
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instead of the hotel Wi-Fi and left here
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he left his mac tethered overnight unit
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and it downloaded the ad men season for
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now which is like complete two gigabytes
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so you can it be blue is holding
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downloading it and the end that the
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download didn't complete it back
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I don't get it Oh pastor alex well you
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have anything else i have one job but
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it's on your list the passbook ideas on
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my list so i think that's kind of the
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sleeper hit actually you know and it's
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funny like as and when you launch the
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app now there's there's nothing in it
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does one screen and it just says
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password is for the stuff in your pocket
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and it's got like tickets and all that
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stuff but there's a big infrastructure
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behind it and and I think telling me
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they sort of be released a new API that
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would allow apps to sort of inspect only
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their own passes and as it is a bunch of
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back and stuff so that you can send out
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passes create new ones and update once
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it to somebody is on the phone i think
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it's interesting for iOS 6 and but i
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think it's going to be really big in
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ios7 yeah it's
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it's aight i totally agree i really
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think that it's and I'd better sometimes
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i'm wrong about these things like when I
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think that this is a sleeper hit or like
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I call it like an iceberg feature where
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you only see this little bit at the top
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but the implications underneath are huge
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yeah absolutely but i really do think
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that I I think passbook is going to be a
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big deal and I think long term it's
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going to be on an awful lot of iphone
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users first screen right because one of
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them is that one of the things that I
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really thought I I just keep thinking
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about that i really think forestall was
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exactly right in his pitching the
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keynote that half the problem with these
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apps that do the barcode scanning now is
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that you're never going to have them on
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your first or second screen you know
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like your United you know because they
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mean it and some people fly the same
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airline every time and I you knowed i
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fly same handful of airlines but it's
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like you know who knows if you're you
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know continental airlines app where the
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hell is it I don't know and it's you
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know it's the worst thing is you're up
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there at the front of the line and
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you're like page and up to screen aid of
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your homescreen looking for the thing on
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because they do some really clever i
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don't even know how much as I a I guess
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we can talk about it but I they're doing
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some clever stuff though with passbook
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we're based on your location it will
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know like at right is that you open past
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look when you're in a starbucks it's it
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knows you're in a starbucks and our
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guess is you're in a starbucks at the
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very least and there's your starbucks
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you don't even have to do not only do
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you not have to look around for a
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Starbucks app when you open passbook if
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it knows you're in a starbucks it you
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don't have to look for your starbucks
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pass you don't even need to open bass
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work it's raining home screen
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I'll write that exactly right and just
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hang on and it sits there like a
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notification in starbucks you swipe it
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up cuz you're on starbucks card like it
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doesn't even launch the app it just
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comes up with the home screen and you
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can just scan it might then write one of
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the interesting things about passbook is
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that it can work in coordination with a
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yes then and do other things and you can
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use the app to do things like make
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changes like you know the example that
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they gave would be like if it was a
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airline then you wanted to change your
00:57:10
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seat you could you need an app for that
00:57:13
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I got up passbook what they call the
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cards are they passes i'll pass itself
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doesn't have code it's just information
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so if you want to change stuff you've
00:57:22
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got to have a nap but for a lot of cases
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you don't even need a nap
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there's a lot of situations where we're
00:57:29
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developers or stores or you know
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services can get support passbook and it
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takes some code on there some server
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code on their side obviously to do the
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interaction but in terms of like what's
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running on the phone all they have to do
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is support passbook and it doesn't even
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require a nap right i really think that
00:57:49
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it's interesting and it it it's a it's a
00:57:54
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very humble way to get started with this
00:57:57
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where it's not like this boil the ocean
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approach that I think I google has taken
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with my google wallet where it's like
00:58:03
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we're going to support this NFC stuff
00:58:05
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and it in theory works everywhere and
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practice works know where are always
00:58:11
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know where well i mean i think it's an
00:58:12
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approach where they're not relying on
00:58:15
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the on the endpoint to have any specific
00:58:19
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technology right right
00:58:21
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they're just going to support what's
00:58:23
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what people already do and build up in
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there like so one interesting thing is
00:58:27
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I'm let's say you've got your starbucks
00:58:30
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you know you could you could probably
00:58:35
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more apple could probably work out a way
00:58:38
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that they could charge up your starbucks
00:58:40
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card from your itunes account I I
00:58:43
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thought about that too the only thing
00:58:45
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about that is that when you win you any
00:58:47
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of your money goes through your itunes
00:58:49
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account apple takes thirty percent and I
00:58:51
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so I don't see how that would work well
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I mean they could work out a deal with
00:58:55
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starbucks and they take less than thirty
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percent right like you know it right
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like maybe for the passbook stuff
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they'll do it in a way that and and I
00:59:03
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almost feel like they have to if there
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and I think long-term everybody in other
00:59:06
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been rumors about Apple getting in the
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NFC and payments and stuff like that
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that there's no for as much as they've
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stuck to their guns across the board
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music video apps books with this 7030
00:59:22
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7030 in-app purchases 7030 everything
00:59:25
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when money goes through
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the store at 70 30 maybe the way that
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they do it is that they don't really
00:59:31
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it's not called going through this store
00:59:32
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right like all the stuff that goes
00:59:34
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through this store is 70 30 but the
00:59:37
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payment processing is is not that it's
00:59:40
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just hooked up your account so it goes
00:59:42
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through the same credit card you've got
00:59:43
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hooked up right but I you know they
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would I I they could really you know
00:59:48
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they could undercut everybody on that I
00:59:50
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mean they could just charged with it you
00:59:52
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know just to break even thing and just
00:59:54
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have it as a reason to have an iphone
00:59:55
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right i think there's they've had a lot
00:59:59
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of credit cards
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of credit cards
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right and then they get you stuff to
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they could even do it you can do it
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wouldn't even just be charging up your
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starbucks card you could do it like you
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know if you're with the airline thing
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where you've got a coach seat and you go
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do your thing and you can maybe get a
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notification that there's an upgrade
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available you know the business class or
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or first class or something like that
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and you just do it in the app and it
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goes through your iTunes Store thing you
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don't even have to sit there and follow
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around with credit cards or something
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yeah yeah exactly like I think we've got
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a good pitch for businesses which is
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there's less friction alright and are
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you could you know you could even buy
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you know like when you have to buy your
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drink or a sandwich on the pond the
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flight you know you could just do it
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through the phone may not and again you
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may not even have to take your phone out
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of your pocket to have its camp right i
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think that i think the implications of
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passbook huge yeah i think so too and
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it's a really clever system
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I mean I guess we can't get into the
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details of how it works because that's
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clearly NDA but it's really really
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clever and so anybody out there who does
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if you've got an account and you're
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thinking about what WWDC sessions to
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watch i would highly recommend the
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passbook sessions because they're really
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interesting and I thought they were at
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you know all the sessions deputies here
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good but i thought those were really
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exceptionally well structured from my
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god had a gajal standpoint like that's
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just it just opens your mind how it
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works and it's a really clever system
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yeah it's very satisfying yeah so i'm
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not sure to be huge for ios6 but I think
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they're going to start making a lot of
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deals around this and we'll see what
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what else do you have anything else from
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WTC and I really think that in his new
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maps it whenever I don't know what to
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make about that i know people are saying
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that there's not as much detail on the
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maps i think the the lack of transit
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I you know I link to a thing this week
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from somebody saying that you know what
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that's actually a good idea because
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because the transit stuff is all over
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the map not a little bit
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no cleaning ended yeah I but like in
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Europe there's some places where that
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the transit information
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is owned by private companies and they
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don't want google having it for free and
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they're like blogging them but on the
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other hand I i wrote a very brief piece
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you know a little link thing early this
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morning its bottom line notes from users
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users don't care about that stuff like
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all users are going to know is that if
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they used to rely on the transit info in
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the Maps app and it's gone that's that's
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a downgrade right so I mean it's you
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know I gotta say that that's points off
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for ios6 i mean i don't care i mean
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maybe a long-term it does work out
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better but in the short term people are
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going to notice and it's it's like a
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record of it
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well I think the question is would you
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rather have flyover or know what bus
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line to take right if I was really cool
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i also had thanks flyover is why i like
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it way better than Street View in Google
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Street feel and I guess the argument for
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street view is that cool but it's not as
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useful street you have literally used to
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like I know this building here this
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restaurant and I know they've got their
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phone number on the window right and I'm
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literally used to defeat for you to go
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and find it i guess that's the argument
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is that street view is from the
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perspective of you on the sidewalk right
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it's like I walk down the street and
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know where that thing is and i'm trying
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to remember you know you can go and see
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it and flowers incredibly cool
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technology i gotta say ah yeah very cool
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let me take it before we talk about the
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rest of the stuff is a good good time to
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do the second sponsor right in our
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second sponsor is a new app for the iPad
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algorithm you may know them from their
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other app DJ which was like a record
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spinning app for the ipad i had very
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very acclaimed ever seen videos of
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people using an iPad or multiple iPads
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to sort of do I don't know what you call
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it but DJ's do is I'm sort of out of my
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league here because i'm not very musical
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your musical guy I know
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no well it's a terrible i like music I
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listen to dividing these well it's
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called yeah but
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here's what it is Vijay is real-time
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touch scratching for videos you mix
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videos and songs together and you can
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make mashups you can make home videos
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you can do it to entertain people on but
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it's more than just clips edited
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together it's it's a performance right
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it's it's like being a DJ and mixing
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music live except with music and video
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so it's not just a video it's not a
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video editor / say to way to do blend
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two videos together with music live like
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a performance like you sit there and
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play with it and you can record them you
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can output them over hdmi and airplay
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with real-time output right over airplay
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so like somebody who was entertaining a
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crowd like an actual DJ or VJ I got a
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party you would have this ipad app in
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front of them and could sit here and
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blend these things and have it like
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projected on a big screen behind them
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it's super impressive and and from user
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interface perspective it is everything
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is live there is no latency it's super
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smooth it works on the ipad 2 and the
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new ipad parentheses three did you play
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with it i sent you from ok I did I did
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it's very impressive it is super
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impressive it is the sort of thing where
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I myself i I don't I can't use it to the
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way that it could be used but i
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guarantee you that with this app there
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will be videos of people making these
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amazing things and mixing these things
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and people will be like I can't believe
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it and it fits right in with this
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resurgence in argument about whether the
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ipad is for creation or consumption at
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which is to me I cannot believe that
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we're still having this argument in 2012
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but this app vijay from algorithm is
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like ground zero step one of my god this
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thing can be used for creation like in a
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way and and the best thing about it is
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it's a perfect example of the sort of
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creation that you can do on the ipad
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that you couldn't do on a Mac because
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the Holy visual it and it's multi-touch
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it's two things at once so there's only
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one mouse on the Mac you can't you can't
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spend two things at once you can't twist
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two different things at the same time on
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the mac which is the entire point
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of Vijay that you're you're tweaking to
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songs at once or two videos at once at
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the same time I really nice UI
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skeuomorphic in a very very appropriate
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way where it it's this you know it you
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launch the app and it makes it feel like
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your ipad is like a dedicated device
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meant from video mixing really really
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cool app very well done regular price
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1999 deja vu right now fifty percent off
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intro pricing it's only 999 on the app
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store crazy you can find out more at
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algorithm a lgor i ddim dot-com I or you
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can just google vjv jaay and look it up
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999 on the App Store amazingly creative
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app anybody who has any kind of interest
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in music and stuff like that go get it
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so great app beautiful so you had some
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good sponsors this week
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terrific sponsors like you so I'll tell
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said it and I was on a phone
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conversation with the algorithm guys
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over about DJ they were having some
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weird coronation issue and and Michael
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Simmons the flexibility i actually
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introduced me to them and we so we had a
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little bit of a chat to work out what's
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they are really really smart guys very
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nice their apps are amazing i go buy it
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please this is so I'm talking about the
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guy english is the guy that you talk to
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when you're having like the core
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animation problem that's a guy like do
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private calls like this everyday or
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somebody with an amazing app but they're
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running up a thing where they've they're
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stuck at 54 frames per second and they
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know that that stinks because anything
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under 60 is kind of janky and then and
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then they call you and then you tell
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them what's wrong and Elvis and they're
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running it like 6 25 frames per second
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to be honest I don't know what I told
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him help but you don't know it just you
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know we chatted about what was going on
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I don't know i don't want to take any
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credit I don't know actually did help
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them but we chatted in it and they're
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very very smart guys alright very smart
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guys great sponsors thank you both
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so the other big news of the week is
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from Microsoft you and I sort of where
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we going where we weren't watching
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because I didn't do the video live we're
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following the live blog coverage right
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live and then chatting to each other on
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the back channel and and let me just say
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this here's the thing i was thinking
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this is me yesterday was yesterday
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here's what i was saying i got nervous
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about having you on the show because one
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thing everybody always wanted people say
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to get somebody on the show is going to
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do is gonna is gonna fight back and
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going to tell you tell you what the
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hell's wrong with you and that's why I
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thought all right I'm gonna do I'm gonna
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get guy guys guys guys not gonna let me
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slide this is one thing I think I I mean
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I haven't written anything good in weeks
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and guys going to call me out on that
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he's going to say what are you doing you
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haven't got so I thought I gotta write
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something good I got and I gotta write
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something so the guy can't tell me that
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i've been slacking off and so here's
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what it is i went back to our i am and i
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stole all of your ideas all of your
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comments from the surface event and then
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turn them into a little article for
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daring fireball well how to really great
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article I don't know them ideas I mean
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whatever i'm not particularly and get
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jealous about where ideas come from and
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I wouldn't like he said that to me on
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twitter and i can add didn't feel it was
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me and that was more of us just chatting
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but I do you know i'll give you credit
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and I stole the the fact that they
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couldn't date they clearly couldn't make
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enough decisions that was for ya
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oh thank you and ya know I think they I
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think they made good decisions and but
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they didn't make great decisions they
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made both of those products are
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interesting by themselves right I one
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less so I like that the Intel one looks
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kind of garbage to me personally but I
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could see that being a product that they
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would want to shit to do both of them is
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crazy i don't understand what the hell
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they're thinking well or wide why
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announce both of them at the same time
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why not just announced the arm one and
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make it all about that here's a here's
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the the argument is that they've
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announced an arm-based tablet and
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an intel-based tablet that's thicker and
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light so it's sort of like the arm-based
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one is vaguely and I'm roughly
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equivalent to like an iPad and the art
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and the intel based one is roughly
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equivalent to like a macbook air but
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with a touch string and then they also
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introduced this very clever capacitive i
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guess i gotta smart cover magnetically
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attached but that has a keyboard on it
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and very good that part that super
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clever about it isn't just the idea of
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hey why not you know why not have the
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underside of the cover be a keyboard and
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it attaches magnetically like Apple
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smart covers but the thing that's really
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clever is that it draws power over that
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magnetic connection so that the keyboard
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cover doesn't itself need a battery so
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like if you were gonna make I'm sure
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after they did that there's a probably
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gonna be like 20 Kickstarter campaigns
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this week from people to make something
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like that for the ipad but if you did it
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for the ipad it would have to be a
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bluetooth thing and that means that it
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would draw it would need like a battery
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and I don't know that they could even be
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as thin as as the microsoft one but then
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like 20 minutes later in in the event
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then they come out with another cover
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that has a keyboard that actually has
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physical moving Keys I don't get it so
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they in other words the message instead
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of the message being here it is
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we're making our own tablet boom this is
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it and we've got this amazing cover here
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they've got this mixed-up story of
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here's a tablet and its arm and it's
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thinner and lighter and cooler and
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here's this water keyboard
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oh but here's this other tablet that
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looks the same from the front and then
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you turn it sideways and it's real thick
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and has vents but it runs photoshop and
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anything from windows so you know it is
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a reasonable it's not a crazy trade-off
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there's actually reason somebody might
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want to do it
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oh and here's this other keyboard cover
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and they're not we don't know when
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they're shipping and what the prices are
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and the other one is going to ship at
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least three months after the other one
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that we don't know when it's gonna show
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and it had to be the whole thing just
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sort of falls apart at that point
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yeah well i mean i think the thing is
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that they're chasing customer affection
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rather than started selling em a product
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you know I mean there
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they're nervous they don't know which
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one to do i think one could probably
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came up with the arm one and then
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somebody upstairs was like no we gotta
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have this until one right and they just
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did both and I don't think they I want
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one thing that struck me about the event
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was that they did indeed this is an idea
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that you didn't steal so okay I get to
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10 smart they didn't sell their choices
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that they made day and they say
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specifically called out how hard it was
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to make choices right found interesting
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that I think it's just the wrong thing
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to do but basically you make your
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choices you come up with the product and
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this is it we believe it what did what
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they specifically call out in the event
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is like man we had a lot of hard choices
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but we think these are great right and
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yet you've got a spectrum of stuff which
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clearly means that you don't you know
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you didn't put all the wood behind one
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arrow you didn't you didn't pick
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something to be great
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perfect turn of phrase right they didn't
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put all other wood behind one arrow
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which i think is a shame because it be
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the arm one is interesting or or if they
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did maybe from their perspective they
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did and that the they're thinking of it
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from the perspective of we're going to
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start making pc hardware in general
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which is a tremendous fundamental shift
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for the company and I know people have
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said regarding my article that's not
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that Microsoft has never gotten hardware
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before they make the xbox they've made
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all sorts of peripherals before they
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made the zunes but yes so they say
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they've made hardware before but the one
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it's almost like a religious line that
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they've never crossed as they've never
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made pc hardware before right that's I
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mean the zune is one thing where you
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enter at the hardware market where your
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partners are right you know but that's
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not their key market right this is the
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bread-and-butter the foundation of the
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entire microsoft Empire is this notion
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of we make a PC operating system and
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apps for that operating system office
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primarily from a financial standpoint
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but you know all sorts of other stuff
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they make the airplane simulator and you
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dell HP sony toshiba samsung you guys
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make the hardware you guys make the
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hardware we do the software and it's a
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very crystal in the pc industry and that
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you know that's where all of the money's
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coming from and now they've so i think
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from their perspective that they've put
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all their wood behind the arrow ok now
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we're making hardware to write whereas
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from the messaging standpoint that's
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interesting the microsoft I mean that is
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very interesting to Microsoft but from a
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consumer standpoint they don't really
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care you know like people just want to
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buy an ice machine and have it work
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yeah centric focused it's more like and
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you know corporate broadcaster and they
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so they didn't what I think was lacking
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from the event was a story a narrative
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about why why you'd want this and what
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you would do with it right and what the
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different you know and and because they
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didn't have a story at all it means that
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they didn't even come first you need the
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story and then you've got to figure out
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a way in that story to differentiate
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between the two devices the Intel one in
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the arm one but because i didn't have a
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story period
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it's a real i think miss mash messaging
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whys of why there's two of them and what
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the differences are well I mean they
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should give him the whole event that
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yeah i thought so too i really i thought
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he was gonna get it was comfortable and
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I realized that what he was talking
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about was a little bit the
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self-referential where he was talking
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about the design and on the design
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process but his enthusiasm was genuine
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and he actually was going to seem
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comfortable up there
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yeah like I cracked a joke on Twitter
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during the event occurred a couple jokes
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but one of the jokes I've number one no
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I just want to even though i crack jokes
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that doesn't mean I don't like the thing
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i'm a color me very intrigued by the
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whole thing and I think it's the same
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thing is true for you too right yeah
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very much so I i mean i think this thing
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could be i think this is the whole I i
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am the thing i'm skeptical about is
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windows 8 on regular pcs I think better
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on regular pcs I
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I really from what I've seen and played
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with it i think it's i think it's wrong
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i think metro on a touchscreen device is
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really really interesting and especially
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on a bigger one that's bigger than a
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phone not like in some sense i do think
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that iOS is a little bit like a phone OS
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that runs on a tablet whereas I think
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that the metro you user interface really
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feels and it seems like it's natural for
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like a nine inch tablet 10-inch tablet
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color me very interested but you know so
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the jokes are just me you know cracking
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jokes but my job one of my jokes was
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that the because the Intel one time with
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the Intel one to me seems janky because
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it's thick and has vented as a fan
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it's a serious magnetic pin- them i like
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I honestly i'm a i'm a fan of the pan
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input idea i think it's a great idea
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magnetizing it to you think now don't do
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this is not the all of the differences
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between their arm one any Intel 12 me
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are advertisements for the arm one
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yes so I cracked a joke that the I maybe
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i'll get the deep the things wrong that
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I said it's it's thicker and has a fan
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and it has a cassette tape deck because
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it just seems like it's you know it's
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it's old technology you know it'sit's
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and it's a lot to me it's also a lot
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like the tablet pcs that Microsoft's
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been trying to sell for for 15 years
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right right you know what you know they
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should have done just occurred to me
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you're right it's old its old attack
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what they should have done is
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introducing the Intel one first
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hmm yeah we got his we got the United
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States is not the old windows it's got
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also for its a very comfortable it's
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like a macbook air with touchscreen got
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the clicky clicky keyboard great how do
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you like that
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nice pretty excited guess what here's an
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arm 14 metro very fat like it's got
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advanced your keyboard
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they didn't order it really did think
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about the order that Apple did the
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15-inch macbook pros last week right
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first the old one that's not exciting it
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i mean and and I say not exciting it
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actually is that the new the new old
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book pros are actually very nice
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upgrades I mean knows it's like cutting
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edge intel chipsets it's a really nice
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performance upgrade but they did those
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first but I mean still where we were all
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calling them the new old ones right yeah
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you're exactly right thing about the way
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Apple did the macbook pros i completely
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agree to the one that's that's older
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tech first and do the skating to where
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the puck is going next which is arm
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which is thinner which is no vents no
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fan no need for that runs cool not know
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yeah yeah they totally didn't order see
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well and I think that's telling because
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i think that they think they probably
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did them in the right order and where
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the one that can't on the desktop
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Windows is the lesser product to them so
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they there there big reveal was I guess
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why you can go on desktops up on this
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and I think that is you know telling
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about the company i'm also curious about
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the timing of the event and like I had
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you know who you'll never know because
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you know what if you're going to
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pre-announce something it when is the
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right time to pronounce it and you know
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eivol you know Apple pre-announced is
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almost nothing they tend to announce
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stuff when it's ready or like ready next
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week but for example they pronounce the
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iphone by six months and i think there's
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a couple special reason right because
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they weren't cannibalizing their own
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sales and they had to start doing
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federal mcc mcc stuff that it was going
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to leak anyway so this was a way to to
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control the reveal
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but the big thing is they weren't
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cannibalizing their own sales and so
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Microsoft is in a very similar position
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with this where it's really i don't
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think it's going to stop sales of
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existing windows notebooks and PCs but
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it might maybe a little for some buyers
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slow sales of ipads or make people wait
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a little bit you know mean it's I don't
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think it would be if if it works if it
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catches on and the idea of we should
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wait for the surface at least to see it
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if there's any merit to it it's only
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going to hurt out
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all or and or android tablet makers it's
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not gonna hurt anybody who's already
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using windows
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yeah right i don't think that they risk
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cannibalizing anything of their own
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I don't think they thought it through
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that much time in your piece supposing
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that they're all right good got a plan
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but I also think well I think it's a lot
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about the fact that at some point once
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they get this thing the wheels running
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on this thing production-wise they can't
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keep it secret
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maybe those I mean those things to seem
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to barely work great
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could the journalist didn't get to play
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with the keyboards everything was all
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screwed up right one of them frozen on
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stage it's just bad and like it was the
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worst thing about it is that he didn't
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even add well no it's not you know stuff
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went wrong for Steve at times but if you
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know any laughter handle it well right
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sort of like Johnny Carson with a bomb
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yeah you just gotta roll with it was
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like excuse me and give me a minute
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Campbell's over to like the spare line
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okay yeah he he almost the way he
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rambled over there it
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this is steven sinofsky it almost looked
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as though he was just gonna run off the
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stage and not come back like he was just
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here I would if I would've just left and
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just throwing thing again and just left
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but so I so everything we know about
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this event is it was very last minute
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right they got invites went out during
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the week of WC yeah and people didn't
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know where to go now wants to come to LA
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like it seems to me that I don't know if
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this is I have no idea but apparently
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google is going to be announcing like a
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nexus tablet
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alright next week at i/o and it seems to
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me that maybe Microsoft knows that I got
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it I finally figured it out and that
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they want to frame any i/o announcements
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through the lens that they're just
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presented alright hastily um you know
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maybe not maybe you know not in the tech
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press necessarily but in the mainstream
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dress you know that whatever is
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announced at i/o
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is going to be related to what
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Microsoft's just said yeah I think so
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too and and in terms of being arranged
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at the last minute it does seem like the
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invitations and etc at least the
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invitations went out after the WWDC
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keynote right and so I I can only guess
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that they were like let's see if apple
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announces anything relevant which they
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didn't but i think that there's and who
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knows maybe Microsoft has better Intel
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then we do that you know maybe they even
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know more about what Google's going to
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announce but it you know the consensus
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is certainly that google is going to
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announce something that's pretty much
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along the same lines google-branded
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tablet right I'm and I think they wanted
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to get in front of that
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yeah I mean there's any press about the
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google cabinet is going to be pressed
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for them they're all right it's is what
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google did with 3d maps or try to do I
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mean personally don't think it's a great
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move right i think it looks defensive
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exactly but it is it's the common thing
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in google just did with the maps all
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right I guess we're running short on
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time here but we have a few more things
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I wanted to talk to you about stuff that
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you're working on you run a conference
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in Montreal started last year singleton
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get Mac to indymac or indeed i say Mac
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but in the Apple Developer Conference
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right we've had with the loop and how
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Scott Morrison and a lot of help from a
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tree Muller where it was it was
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fantastic i was there last year and it
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was a terrific time people are I think
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much did you get a lot of people asking
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at WTC about singleton 20 yeah yeah but
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he's asking when it's going on sale and
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whatnot it's going to be I but i think
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it's going to be a WWDC situation now
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where it's like you're going to put it
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on sale and the damn thing is going to
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yeah I mean that happened last year like
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I had to ask you not to actually mention
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it on verifiable last year because it
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went pretty quick then it's ok that is
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rare it is actually very rare that
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people the people asked me not to link
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I'm gonna put this thing on sale don't
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want to do it aren't there in viral
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because i think that the people who read
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recite are really going to jump all over
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it right everybody is going to have a
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bigger venue
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yeah a little bit bigger and better 220
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people compared to the sort of 75 80
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that we had last time very small crab
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but i think a small confiscated so the
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value is you know I think the speaker's
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being a lot of value but I think in a
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way the greater value is having smoked
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out meeting everybody and talking about
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this because had to say I'm always
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interested to like sometimes when people
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talk to me about daring fireball
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sponsorships or the talk so sponsorships
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and i'll ask well you know what kind of
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results can i expect and I often i don't
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really know i mean i-i don't measure
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stuff like that like when I have links
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to your site
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it just goes right to you there's no
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click tracker and even if I did have a
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cliq tracker who knows what that means
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and who knows whether you can even trust
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it or whatever and and whether one thing
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goes awry i always say the bottom line
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is you know I think the most telling
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thing is how many repeat sponsors there
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are and there's a lot and that means
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that they came back and they were happy
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and so when I you know you're doing a
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conference because I've often thought
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maybe you know maybe I should try to put
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a conference together
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the interesting thing to me wasn't
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whether you did the first one it was
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whether you'd want to do a second one
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right and you're dead
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yeah we headed it was a big success we
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are not financially actually just it
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makes even to it's not a this is not a
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business for us it's just something that
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we wanted to do and we had it's like a
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really great time we had a great
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speakers great turnout and you know we
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want to do it again about to happen up
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and try it out again and because i think
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it's actually we're not focused the same
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way there's a lot of indie conferences a
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lot of really good ones but we're not
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really focused on the same kind of thing
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we aim to sort of be more meta level it
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will last year was about
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maybe we tend to pick themes was going
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to but the idea is that we're gonna pick
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themes and last year's basically a the
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team was that we're at it we were at an
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inflection point that the mac was
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clearly going away of iOS in terms of
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the mac app store sandboxing and a lot
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of indie developers the way that they
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run their businesses was going to change
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so we thought to be valuable to get a
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bunch of people together and sort of
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discuss that discuss where things were
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going and and how people can adapt to
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the change and i think that work well
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this year and the team is going to be
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about girls and scaling and then the
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process behind that because I think as
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smaller developers or you know basically
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people in the industry we're all getting
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a lot more customers or in your case a
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lot more meters it then we used to say
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you know five years ago and how do we
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handle that like what does that mean for
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our businesses and our our software and
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the way that we approach that the market
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and our customers a good theme like I
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said just talking to some people as we
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get WTC there's definitely some really
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really small shops one-man shows two men
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partnerships that that have more
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customers then I I don't know ever
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before I mean I guess they're with their
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websites that could do it now the web
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sort of enabled that but with these apps
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there's people who have more customers
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than then it's fashionable for a
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one-person shop right to do and you know
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I don't know the you know it's a good
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topic because I just don't know that
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we're hooked up evolutionarily that to
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deal with that sort of scale adding like
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an individual level like if you ran at
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you know a bakery that you didn't
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doesn't make any sense that you have
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40,000 customers a week right just
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doesn't doesn't doesn't work well with
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apps it works you can do it well yeah
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there's still challenges what load goes
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way up the ramp and add edges i think
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interesting topic at I think it's what's
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happening this year last year I think
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was like big change this year things are
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going I don't know what will be next
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year but hopefully I'll identified or
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will identify it and come up with
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another game so the other thing that
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you've got cooking
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you've got a new company yeah aged in
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distilled yeah with the our good friend
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Chris parish Chris parish formerly of
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yep you formerly of rogue amoeba and we
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went rogue and get lucky it's not cheap
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jokes it will cut that out don't worry
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about the past and i will cut that right
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out scene and you guys I you're not
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ready to announce anything yet but you
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guys are working on the app and it's it
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is a mac app not an iOS app right and i
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think that's interesting because I feel
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like I certainly the mac you know Mac
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sales are up Mac it's never been better
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time to be a Mac Developer but I'd iOS
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is growth so is so explosive that it
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dwarfs the growth the mac has been
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undergoing and there's sort of an
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assumption i think that most people if
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they're going to start a new thing to do
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apps it's going to be iphone and ipad
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apps right so I supposed to be the
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answer that question is what we wanted
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to solve a problem and the problem
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existed or was best salt on the Mac hey
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I'm so what the app is basically it's
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you it's called Mac instead concise
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visual communication and it's for
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marking up images and working with
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designers and developers remotely so you
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can very quickly with a good novel input
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method make notes on imaging share it
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and given that that's the problem you're
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trying to solve it and it's a problem
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that I've been candid like monkey said
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when i was working with me but I was
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working remote and would often want to
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send notes back and forth on you know
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the work with that the widgets did the
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design and it was difficult when you and
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Chris work remote cause Christian is
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chris's in Seattle and I'm here in
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so you're both in Canada but on
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different different sides of the
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continent exactly exactly different
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costs so you guys probably use it you
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guys probably use it you know your dog
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yeah yeah we use it a lot and you know a
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couple other people use it to is it
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written already know
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well it will be easy right
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well I mean we just needed to exit did
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resources exactly
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yeah but it's like we were pretty close
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to shipping and so we want to ship same
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time as a mountain lion we're gonna
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we're gonna be my online only going to
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use all their goodies but yeah it's to
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answer the question about iOS and this
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was a problem that primarily existed on
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the on a mac in the designer is working
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in photoshop or developers working in
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Xcode and you want to quicklys you don't
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share things back and for it and it is
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an app that is very well suited to the
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ipad but the project the problem we want
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to solve manifest itself mainly on the
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mac right now I think that it fits
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I think that's one of the the messages
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apple has been trying to reiterate in
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the last year or so is more or less
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don't forget about the mac i think I
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can't believe that big dick from Apple's
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perspective that they can't believe that
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after six consecutive years of
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consecutive quarters 24 consecutive
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quarters were the mac has mac sales have
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grown faster than the pc industry at
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large 24 consecutive quarters they still
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have to remind people like hate the mac
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is that is awesome and it's at
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there's totally problems that can only
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be that are best solved on the mac
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ya think so I mean I think there's still
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a bit of a look at the gold rush
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mentality around iOS I were you know
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Chris and I think would rather figure
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out problem to solve and workout
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soft and in this case it's on a mac i
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also think I do think that there's an
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opportunity there to that that a new
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thing for the mac you might be able to
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gain attention quicker then stuff for
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the iOS because there's so much less of
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that gold rush mentality
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yeah and conservatively there's so many
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thousands of developers releasing iOS
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stuff that in the mac stuff can gain
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traction and I thought that was obvious
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to and I thought it was clear the
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keynote and it's occurred to me that I
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was a little bored during the mountain
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lion section because i'm almost all old
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stuff you know stuff we already knew but
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then somebody pointed out that it was
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you know most of the developers there
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they don't even think they don't know
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anything about mountain lions are not
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writing mac apps night it was all news
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to them that's why there was so much
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applause for like the stuff that was you
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know on apple's website for months
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yeah I think Syracuse was saying that on
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his show yeah it's exactly know what
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that's it that's where i got it i think
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you know what I think he told me that in
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person last week to it could be and yeah
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it like the mountain lion section of the
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keynote was really kind of boring i
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think maybe power nap was new
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yeah it's at all that's cool but I mean
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yeah between asleep it was power nap and
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dictation right where the two new things
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that were really on so it'sit's and I
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was not the most exciting
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no no no Richard developer technology
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they just work they do that thing right
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on you can tweet in it in a notification
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alright alright like nothing you know
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nothing groundbreaking but you know I
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think mountain lion is the it's what
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line should have been
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yeah basically you know it's the
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polished version i think ios6 is the
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same as a polished version of iOS 5 6 d
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we're not on a major leap year right now
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threat you know and and we gotta wrap
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this up but I did there's a story on
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Gizmodo today
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somebody wrote in the headline any more
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or less says it all is that Microsoft is
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now the most exciting company in tech
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and it's typical gizmodo linkbait where
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they're trying to take an obvious
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contrarian perspective on what I have to
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say that in in broad strokes
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I i actually agree with that and now and
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later in the article forget who wrote it
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on my command staff who cares its
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gizmodo but they date instead of saying
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exciting they said innovative isn't most
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innovative know there i think is more of
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an argument I think exciting is the word
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that actually is more apt which is that
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nobody was really expecting the surface
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thing this week they kept that secret
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and people were thinking the best people
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thought was maybe like a barnes and
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noble a joint you know smaller 6-inch
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type thing that was more like an
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e-reader this is way more ambitious than
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anything people that Gaston eight kept
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it under under really tight wraps like
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nobody knew it definitely whereas
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everything apple is announces more or
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less as expected you know I mean there's
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stuff like passbook that is news and
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wasn't really rumor expected but it's
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not major it's not exciting right
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I gets its Apple has become I think
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predictable in a very good way in a way
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that is good for the company and I think
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I iOS 6 and mountain lion reflect that
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like they're very I think they're very
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very you know good list of features
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year-over-year very impressive 12 months
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updates to what came before them but
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they're not exciting is not the word I
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would use to describe them
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well I mean I think Microsoft is
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interesting in that they're kind of
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I'm apple is less interesting in that
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they're on top of their game and they're
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executing well alright it's not as
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exciting to be the guy in the lead the
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guy who's gonna like the race car driver
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who's making exciting loses the guy
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who's in second right yeah and they're
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not just in the lead to look like a head
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right and you know that there's it's not
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that they're not doing interesting stuff
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i'm sure it'll be a lot of cool stuff
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coming out but for this you know for the
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you know the observer microsoft is that
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offers more drama and say no
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exactly yeah and I think that's good i
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think it's actually what they need to do
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I did it makes me optimistic about their
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their prospects
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it would make me optimistic accept their
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products email screwed up
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yeah sure but at the very least I feel
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like that the very least though it shows
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that they're not in denial
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yes right what would be what would be
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sad would be if they had their head in
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the sand and we're just comes in their
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ears you know not I can't hear you doing
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the same thing that they have been doing
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you know and and just pretending that
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that the industry hasn't totally shifted
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and that Apple hasn't taken over the
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penthouse suite right exactly i mean i
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think one of the I think my favorite
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part of that surface pro Cee'd put up
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last night was the analysis of where the
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money's going right I think that's
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telling and I think you're probably
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right that there's notice that they're
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going to have to start caramelizing
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their partners to get back to the you
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know to the thicker profit margins right
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and it's okay i really think I think
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about it it's a classic microsoft move
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when classic microsoft move is ballsy
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and aggressive but and it is but it's
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not ballsy an aggressive against apple
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even though its competitive against
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apple i'm sure they hope it really is
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but it's really the that the ones that
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they're really like punching in the face
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are there pcom makers yeah they're going
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to take all the money yeah well that's
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yeah guy thanks for being here to
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so coming soon aged in distilled and we
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even got that we even got a product name
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napkin looking forward to that you've
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got a blog kicking bear dot-com is it
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calm yet where you often
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well not often but occasionally right
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very very smart stuff
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thank you anything else that I should
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thank you for that
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do you drink i'm not sure i had lost
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maybe yes let's say yes you'll be doing