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00:00:00 ◼   ► it seems nuts though you're saying that

00:00:02 ◼   ► there's hotels that that have Wi-Fi

00:00:06 ◼   ► access that you can't do on microphone i

00:00:08 ◼   ► got an iphone right because the pop-up

00:00:11 ◼   ► thing because like there's a lot of them

00:00:12 ◼   ► out there that want you still to watch

00:00:14 ◼   ► some kind of you know either add or

00:00:16 ◼   ► click on something that requires a

00:00:19 ◼   ► pop-up and the iphone doesn't doesn't

00:00:22 ◼   ► like that too much and then not to

00:00:24 ◼   ► mention all the ones that are not just

00:00:26 ◼   ► tailored at all for a mobile experience

00:00:28 ◼   ► and so you know it's either a

00:00:31 ◼   ► combination of of quick zooming so you

00:00:34 ◼   ► can get it and hit a button before it

00:00:35 ◼   ► seems back out because it's just

00:00:37 ◼   ► completely not tailored I saw the i saw

00:00:39 ◼   ► one where you you had to go through how

00:00:43 ◼   ► to click to it terms and agreements

00:00:45 ◼   ► thing in a webview and I don't know how

00:00:49 ◼   ► they programmed it but it was a tiny

00:00:50 ◼   ► tiny little button and why don't know

00:00:53 ◼   ► how they did it but everytime you pinch

00:00:55 ◼   ► zoom down the iphone it would instantly

00:00:57 ◼   ► go back out to the full-size yeah yeah

00:01:00 ◼   ► I've seen the affectionate it's an

00:01:02 ◼   ► unsuitable webpage and so it leaves you

00:01:04 ◼   ► like the the tiniest touch target in the

00:01:08 ◼   ► history of times like this one pixel on

00:01:10 ◼   ► the ipad 2 3

00:01:11 ◼   ► if you have to get your touch centered

00:01:13 ◼   ► on it was crazy

00:01:14 ◼   ► yeah you really would need sandpaper to

00:01:16 ◼   ► whittle down your fingers at that point

00:01:18 ◼   ► so we were recording today is a tuesday

00:01:21 ◼   ► july 24 but we're not releasing the show

00:01:25 ◼   ► until tomorrow and that will be after

00:01:27 ◼   ► the mountain lion embargo so we will

00:01:29 ◼   ► talk we can talk now online

00:01:31 ◼   ► yes we can I because everybody we're all

00:01:35 ◼   ► signed up on the NDA and and everything

00:01:37 ◼   ► like that but before we get to that I

00:01:38 ◼   ► was thinking we should talk about

00:01:40 ◼   ► Marissa Mayer is a mayor Meyer and it's

00:01:44 ◼   ► uh it's Meyer might even though it's

00:01:46 ◼   ► spelled like mayor right so i have never

00:01:49 ◼   ► guessed one of those things where I

00:01:50 ◼   ► don't think I've ever talked about on

00:01:52 ◼   ► the show and if i don't talk about

00:01:53 ◼   ► somebody I don't really know how to

00:01:55 ◼   ► pronounce your name so it end job i

00:01:57 ◼   ► think i mean i think this is a good move

00:01:59 ◼   ► for yahoo i really i don't see how they

00:02:00 ◼   ► could possibly have gotten a better a

00:02:03 ◼   ► better CEO yeah it was totally out of

00:02:05 ◼   ► left field i mean it makes sense in

00:02:08 ◼   ► hindsight but no one was really thinking

00:02:09 ◼   ► that and i'm not sure exactly why but I

00:02:12 ◼   ► mean no one was

00:02:13 ◼   ► there's no rumor there was no whisper

00:02:14 ◼   ► about it you know nothing thinking that

00:02:16 ◼   ► this was a possibility i guess it's just

00:02:18 ◼   ► because yahoo has had such a string of

00:02:21 ◼   ► kind of either boring hires or like you

00:02:24 ◼   ► know kinda obvious things and and there

00:02:26 ◼   ► was reports that the ross levinsohn guy

00:02:28 ◼   ► who's the guy who was interim CEO was

00:02:31 ◼   ► just going to get the job and they were

00:02:32 ◼   ► kind of going through the motions you

00:02:33 ◼   ► know that are viewing a few that's what

00:02:35 ◼   ► i expected to I did you read I think

00:02:37 ◼   ► Steven leavey had a good post i think

00:02:40 ◼   ► was yesterday for Wired talking about

00:02:43 ◼   ► Marissa Mayer's role at Google where you

00:02:48 ◼   ► know obviously she was there for a long

00:02:49 ◼   ► time in her role evolved over the time

00:02:51 ◼   ► she was in charge search and then most

00:02:53 ◼   ► recently she was in charge of kind of

00:02:54 ◼   ► local stuff but she also started and ran

00:02:57 ◼   ► the program called a p.m. which is like

00:02:59 ◼   ► associate product manager I think no I

00:03:03 ◼   ► didn't I didn't see this

00:03:05 ◼   ► so basically she was running what is

00:03:08 ◼   ► effectively inside Google leader a

00:03:10 ◼   ► leadership training program and they had

00:03:13 ◼   ► a few hundred people go throughout go

00:03:15 ◼   ► through this under her through you know

00:03:17 ◼   ► the decade or so that she was running it

00:03:19 ◼   ► and these people include like Brett

00:03:20 ◼   ► Taylor who's the guy who eventually

00:03:22 ◼   ► would go on to become CTO facebook they

00:03:26 ◼   ► have a guy who's in charge of of chrome

00:03:28 ◼   ► not son dar try another guy who's just

00:03:33 ◼   ► under him who's a kind of spearheading

00:03:35 ◼   ► that program and he's the one who

00:03:36 ◼   ► actually took over the APM project but

00:03:39 ◼   ► anyway the long story short is that

00:03:40 ◼   ► Steven Levy writes this

00:03:42 ◼   ► pretty good post suggesting that marissa

00:03:45 ◼   ► meyer is even more uh better equipped to

00:03:48 ◼   ► handle this

00:03:50 ◼   ► this Yahoo CEO job because she really

00:03:52 ◼   ► trained the cream of the crop at Google

00:03:54 ◼   ► and now has these great relationships

00:03:56 ◼   ► they have all stated touch their

00:03:58 ◼   ► supposedly all very close they would go

00:03:59 ◼   ► on these long trips together in him and

00:04:01 ◼   ► for one of them leaving was embedded you

00:04:03 ◼   ► know odd somewhere in in Africa I think

00:04:06 ◼   ► or Eastern Europe and they would do

00:04:08 ◼   ► these once a year and they would all

00:04:09 ◼   ► form these tight bonds and they stay in

00:04:11 ◼   ► touch after all these years most of

00:04:12 ◼   ► those people obviously since left Google

00:04:14 ◼   ► but now of course mark meyer still has

00:04:18 ◼   ► those relationships that she could

00:04:19 ◼   ► potentially bring in if she could even

00:04:21 ◼   ► bring in you know five or six of those

00:04:23 ◼   ► people that's that's potentially huge

00:04:26 ◼   ► right there for you

00:04:26 ◼   ► who I have I've long had the sense that

00:04:30 ◼   ► not that she was on the outside google

00:04:32 ◼   ► but that and and other people have said

00:04:34 ◼   ► you know that she had like a glass

00:04:36 ◼   ► ceiling but like she wasn't going there

00:04:37 ◼   ► was no we're above that google that she

00:04:40 ◼   ► was going to get to move up to right

00:04:42 ◼   ► kind of get the sense that she hasn't

00:04:45 ◼   ► been as influential as she was in the

00:04:47 ◼   ► past

00:04:47 ◼   ► yeah it seems like the early days you

00:04:51 ◼   ► know she was whatever the tenth employee

00:04:52 ◼   ► or something like that and you know

00:04:54 ◼   ► everyone is probably doing a lot of work

00:04:56 ◼   ► back then and and through the time when

00:04:58 ◼   ► there were a hundred employees and she

00:05:00 ◼   ► was you know one of the senior people

00:05:01 ◼   ► and she was in charge of you know

00:05:03 ◼   ► there's the talk that she was in charge

00:05:04 ◼   ► of the design aesthetic and all that

00:05:06 ◼   ► kind of stuff and then is they slowly

00:05:07 ◼   ► transition from two more than a search

00:05:10 ◼   ► engine I think her role just kept

00:05:11 ◼   ► getting diminished and diminished and

00:05:13 ◼   ► then finally whenever it was a couple

00:05:16 ◼   ► years ago or something when they move

00:05:17 ◼   ► her often who knows if they moved her

00:05:19 ◼   ► off she asked to be moved off she's been

00:05:21 ◼   ► working on it for so long but moved off

00:05:23 ◼   ► of search which is of course the bread

00:05:24 ◼   ► and butter of google still you know it

00:05:27 ◼   ► seemed from the outside that you know

00:05:29 ◼   ► they were just decided to go in a

00:05:31 ◼   ► different direction and it was pretty

00:05:32 ◼   ► telling that they didn't give her an SVP

00:05:35 ◼   ► position even though you know her

00:05:37 ◼   ► seniority you know they had someone else

00:05:40 ◼   ► running local ok Jeff Huber i believe

00:05:42 ◼   ► was elevated to SVP of kind of local and

00:05:45 ◼   ► commerce above her so yeah I think the

00:05:48 ◼   ► writing was on the wall that she was

00:05:49 ◼   ► eventually going to leave and it's

00:05:51 ◼   ► surprising that they didn't elevate her

00:05:54 ◼   ► to an SVP status but who knows

00:05:57 ◼   ► yeah you never know what the inside

00:05:58 ◼   ► politics are but from the outside I

00:06:00 ◼   ► always thought that that she was of the

00:06:03 ◼   ► google that i like best

00:06:05 ◼   ► you know and i think that like it and

00:06:07 ◼   ► it's also it's the sort of thing like

00:06:08 ◼   ► with Apple where you just you take some

00:06:10 ◼   ► of this stuff for granted that it's as

00:06:12 ◼   ► simple as it is but I think like the

00:06:14 ◼   ► fact that the google homepage is just a

00:06:17 ◼   ► search field and two buttons

00:06:19 ◼   ► yep I you can say well anybody could do

00:06:22 ◼   ► that but i think that by I can't even

00:06:25 ◼   ► imagine how many times she had to say no

00:06:29 ◼   ► to things that other people at Google

00:06:31 ◼   ► wanted to do on that that homepage

00:06:34 ◼   ► oh yeah i mean i remember you know every

00:06:37 ◼   ► since 10 years five years everyone keeps

00:06:40 ◼   ► just imagine if they had like a giant

00:06:42 ◼   ► display at behind you know behind Google

00:06:45 ◼   ► right on google.com you know how many

00:06:47 ◼   ► tens of millions or hundreds of millions

00:06:49 ◼   ► of dollars without generating revenue

00:06:51 ◼   ► every single year but they just didn't

00:06:53 ◼   ► do it and yeah yeah most accounts that

00:06:56 ◼   ► was that was her job and her you know

00:06:59 ◼   ► her insight to not mess up that main

00:07:02 ◼   ► experience and that's what makes me

00:07:03 ◼   ► optimistic about her being a good CEO

00:07:05 ◼   ► for yahoo is that she obviously has that

00:07:09 ◼   ► ability to say no I mean that's like the

00:07:11 ◼   ► famous Steve Jobs quote that he's

00:07:12 ◼   ► prouder of the things they said no to

00:07:14 ◼   ► the things they actually said yes to

00:07:15 ◼   ► because that's what that's what keeps

00:07:17 ◼   ► the company focus

00:07:19 ◼   ► yeah and i would say along those lines

00:07:21 ◼   ► you know I've met her a number of times

00:07:23 ◼   ► I don't know her all that well but you

00:07:25 ◼   ► know we've counted from here from time

00:07:27 ◼   ► to time dr. onstage a few times i will

00:07:31 ◼   ► say that you know my impression of her

00:07:32 ◼   ► is that she's extremely opinionated

00:07:34 ◼   ► which i think is great because she has

00:07:37 ◼   ► you know things that she likes and she

00:07:39 ◼   ► has her own ideas of what she wants to

00:07:41 ◼   ► do and she's gonna get them done because

00:07:43 ◼   ► that's just who she is and that's you

00:07:45 ◼   ► know all the accounts from people who

00:07:46 ◼   ► worked under her at Google will say the

00:07:48 ◼   ► same thing it's just you know she's not

00:07:50 ◼   ► wishy-washy she doesn't really have any

00:07:53 ◼   ► understanding of what she's trying to do

00:07:54 ◼   ► she knows what she wants to do and she

00:07:55 ◼   ► goes for it and you know that's awesome

00:07:57 ◼   ► right ideally i think the best type of

00:07:59 ◼   ► leaders have extremely strong opinions

00:08:02 ◼   ► loosely held right like another eligible

00:08:05 ◼   ► right in other words like with--like

00:08:07 ◼   ► with Tim Cook talking about Steve Jobs

00:08:09 ◼   ► that guy had the strongest opinions of

00:08:11 ◼   ► anybody in the world but he might change

00:08:13 ◼   ► them tomorrow any upright right and

00:08:16 ◼   ► those people often you know kind of like

00:08:18 ◼   ► that at the time they make it you know

00:08:20 ◼   ► upset or whatever in an argument they it

00:08:22 ◼   ► seems like they always kind of fall back

00:08:24 ◼   ► on the idea that they love it if someone

00:08:26 ◼   ► can stand up to them and can actually

00:08:27 ◼   ► make their case to change their mind

00:08:29 ◼   ► about it that's like the best thing in

00:08:31 ◼   ► the world for those people right i mean

00:08:32 ◼   ► i think all I i often think because I

00:08:36 ◼   ► mean and and it's just one of those like

00:08:38 ◼   ► ways that everything comes full circle a

00:08:40 ◼   ► lot of times is that you know famously

00:08:42 ◼   ► almost infamously yahoo had the chance

00:08:46 ◼   ► to acquire google in the early days

00:08:48 ◼   ► yep and yep and by you know did not

00:08:51 ◼   ► didn't quite offer enough money in

00:08:53 ◼   ► never happen but i think it's i think

00:08:56 ◼   ► it's always been pretty clear that

00:08:58 ◼   ► Google held up yahoo is a look that's

00:09:00 ◼   ► they made mistakes that we don't want to

00:09:02 ◼   ► make yeah yeah and that helped them no

00:09:05 ◼   ► doubt right on it and we have it's funny

00:09:08 ◼   ► because I still think of Google is the

00:09:09 ◼   ► upstart and yahoo is the old guard but

00:09:12 ◼   ► in you know by now by today's date

00:09:15 ◼   ► they're actually relatively the same age

00:09:17 ◼   ► it wasn't yahoo was informed that much

00:09:19 ◼   ► earlier than google right it just that

00:09:22 ◼   ► those first few years of yahoo were the

00:09:25 ◼   ► explosive years of the.com yeah you

00:09:28 ◼   ► still here though I like you know I

00:09:29 ◼   ► talked to start ups every once in a

00:09:30 ◼   ► while who either cut some kind of deal

00:09:32 ◼   ► with yahoo or do something with them

00:09:34 ◼   ► where they kind of run a test on their

00:09:36 ◼   ► homepage and it's still an insane amount

00:09:38 ◼   ► of crushing traffic that anyone would be

00:09:40 ◼   ► happy to get and that's why you know

00:09:42 ◼   ► that's why it's great that someone can

00:09:43 ◼   ► actually steer that in the right

00:09:45 ◼   ► direction there's no question that they

00:09:46 ◼   ► still have a lot of people going there i

00:09:47 ◼   ► think what is it now it's not the it's

00:09:49 ◼   ► not the number one most trafficked

00:09:51 ◼   ► website anymore it might be two maybe

00:09:53 ◼   ► three

00:09:54 ◼   ► I don't know what it is but its its way

00:09:56 ◼   ► up there still right and i think that's

00:09:58 ◼   ► an opportunity I think that will be the

00:09:59 ◼   ► first thing that you see it change about

00:10:02 ◼   ► i think that there and I don't think any

00:10:06 ◼   ► previous CEO yahoo is really left a

00:10:09 ◼   ► personal and like wow that that there's

00:10:13 ◼   ► a new CEO in charge of yahoo look at

00:10:15 ◼   ► yahoo.com

00:10:16 ◼   ► yeah that's definitely true and i don't

00:10:19 ◼   ► know i think that should be the first

00:10:20 ◼   ► thing that she does is make some changes

00:10:23 ◼   ► that yahoo.com is there's a new sheriff

00:10:25 ◼   ► in town and it's there so if there's

00:10:27 ◼   ► focus at this company she should put up

00:10:30 ◼   ► did you see that picture circulating

00:10:32 ◼   ► around or it's the Obama hope picture

00:10:34 ◼   ► but it's of versus a face know

00:10:37 ◼   ► supposedly being split up last around

00:10:39 ◼   ► Yahoo's campus right now okay I i talked

00:10:43 ◼   ► to a friend who works at flickr and they

00:10:45 ◼   ► are definitely some optimism

00:10:46 ◼   ► I'm excited for that I mean I just I it

00:10:49 ◼   ► was it randomly i logged onto flickr for

00:10:52 ◼   ► the first time i did i was so bad that I

00:10:54 ◼   ► had to reset my yahoo password and even

00:10:55 ◼   ► remember what it was

00:10:56 ◼   ► so that's how bad yahoo wasn't in my

00:10:59 ◼   ► head so i reset my password and login to

00:11:02 ◼   ► my flickr account and it was expired I

00:11:04 ◼   ► think it just expired like six months

00:11:05 ◼   ► ago signed up for it too

00:11:07 ◼   ► here you know rite aid plan uh so I'm

00:11:10 ◼   ► excited to see if they can you know

00:11:13 ◼   ► really not only turn the a brain around

00:11:14 ◼   ► but all these sub-brands I really would

00:11:16 ◼   ► like to use flickr for something cool

00:11:19 ◼   ► again and and I'd like to sign up for my

00:11:21 ◼   ► program i mean they have tens of

00:11:23 ◼   ► thousands of pictures just saved

00:11:25 ◼   ► it's really nice that they actually

00:11:26 ◼   ► don't delete them you know even if you

00:11:27 ◼   ► let your pro account expire they only

00:11:29 ◼   ► let you see a hundred of them but they

00:11:30 ◼   ► keep them all around just in case so

00:11:32 ◼   ► that's great yeah there's definitely

00:11:34 ◼   ► some opportunities there i also think

00:11:37 ◼   ► yeah what do you think she's going to do

00:11:39 ◼   ► with the with Microsoft deal in terms of

00:11:42 ◼   ► obviously being powers or search now

00:11:44 ◼   ► they handle like some of the front and

00:11:46 ◼   ► stuff you know they do some different

00:11:47 ◼   ► things and being does itself with search

00:11:49 ◼   ► but how do you think that shall approach

00:11:51 ◼   ► that well that's what I'd I honestly

00:11:53 ◼   ► don't know and I'm not close enough

00:11:55 ◼   ► I don't you know that i could see it

00:11:57 ◼   ► going one of two ways I could see it

00:11:59 ◼   ► where that gets abandoned in yahoo and

00:12:02 ◼   ► google sort of you know because of the

00:12:05 ◼   ► personal relationships becomes semi

00:12:08 ◼   ► allies

00:12:09 ◼   ► yep I or if it's bad blood and maybe it

00:12:13 ◼   ► goes the other way you know I and yeah

00:12:18 ◼   ► they you know in the in the initial

00:12:20 ◼   ► stories of her leaving you know there

00:12:22 ◼   ► was one i think it was in New York Times

00:12:23 ◼   ► report that said I you know my mayor

00:12:27 ◼   ► called Larry Page by phone that day to

00:12:30 ◼   ► resign on the spot and shit you know

00:12:32 ◼   ► there's no two weeks notice or anything

00:12:34 ◼   ► she's called by phone but of course

00:12:36 ◼   ► Larry page's voice issues or whatever so

00:12:37 ◼   ► maybe he wasn't around who knows you

00:12:39 ◼   ► know what the deal is with that but it

00:12:42 ◼   ► seems like there's a little bit of bad

00:12:44 ◼   ► blood between them but you know who

00:12:46 ◼   ► knows maybe that's reading too much into

00:12:47 ◼   ► it but I think you're absolutely right i

00:12:50 ◼   ► think it really that kind of is a is

00:12:53 ◼   ► it's a pretty major factor in what she

00:12:54 ◼   ► ends up doing you know maybe maybe she

00:12:56 ◼   ► just looks at the numbers and realize

00:12:58 ◼   ► that the microsoft deal is too good to

00:13:00 ◼   ► kind of you know dissolve it's

00:13:02 ◼   ► interesting that when Microsoft was

00:13:04 ◼   ► trying to my yahoo few years ago

00:13:06 ◼   ► remember obviously yahoo pushback

00:13:09 ◼   ► heavily and they were looking for anyone

00:13:11 ◼   ► to help them including Google and at one

00:13:13 ◼   ► point they had that kind of at least it

00:13:16 ◼   ► you know had a handshake agreement to do

00:13:17 ◼   ► some sort of similar ever

00:13:20 ◼   ► tising search deal with google that they

00:13:22 ◼   ► ended up doing with Microsoft but they

00:13:24 ◼   ► had to drop it because the government

00:13:26 ◼   ► officially look into it but they'll all

00:13:27 ◼   ► indications were that the government was

00:13:29 ◼   ► going to look into it but there was also

00:13:30 ◼   ► because yahoo is by far the number two

00:13:33 ◼   ► search engine at the time to google and

00:13:35 ◼   ► microsoft was a non-player now Microsoft

00:13:38 ◼   ► is number two and i don't know you know

00:13:40 ◼   ► maybe the government would be ok with

00:13:41 ◼   ► with yahoo and google tying up together

00:13:44 ◼   ► or maybe they still would

00:13:46 ◼   ► yeah i don't know i think it's going to

00:13:48 ◼   ► be interesting to see how that plays out

00:13:49 ◼   ► and I think in hindsight it will become

00:13:51 ◼   ► obvious how acrimonious it is that she

00:13:54 ◼   ► left them you know is it seen inside

00:13:56 ◼   ► Google as a betrayal or is it you know

00:13:59 ◼   ► good for her and now we're sort of like

00:14:01 ◼   ► partners sort of like and a comparison

00:14:03 ◼   ► that I've seen other people make is to

00:14:04 ◼   ► Stephen Elop who was a Microsoft di-

00:14:06 ◼   ► left for nokia and as soon as you got to

00:14:09 ◼   ► nokia forge this extremely tired boss

00:14:14 ◼   ► you know that whereas it seems pretty

00:14:16 ◼   ► obvious and that the nokia diehards the

00:14:18 ◼   ► people who don't like that they've that

00:14:20 ◼   ► they don't have their operating system

00:14:22 ◼   ► anymore see it as you know that this was

00:14:24 ◼   ► planned from the start that he was like

00:14:25 ◼   ► a mole in no pariah

00:14:27 ◼   ► I think I i think i alluded to that when

00:14:31 ◼   ► it first happened that that is awesome

00:14:33 ◼   ► that Microsoft gotta plant in in Nokia's

00:14:36 ◼   ► area and I think that through some

00:14:39 ◼   ► higher from Frank shot his head

00:14:40 ◼   ► microsoft corporate communications they

00:14:42 ◼   ► did not like that too much

00:14:43 ◼   ► well I mean however much it was planned

00:14:45 ◼   ► and however much that you know that this

00:14:47 ◼   ► was it was agreed upon and events it's

00:14:49 ◼   ► certainly in hindsight is shown know

00:14:51 ◼   ► that Stephen Elop experience as a

00:14:55 ◼   ► Microsoft executive certainly influenced

00:14:57 ◼   ► his leadership in nokia in a very Pro

00:15:00 ◼   ► microsoft way

00:15:02 ◼   ► ya mean that's definitely right i mean

00:15:04 ◼   ► we doesn't really matter whether you

00:15:06 ◼   ► think that it's good or bad for nokia

00:15:08 ◼   ► but that certainly is the way it's

00:15:10 ◼   ► played out

00:15:10 ◼   ► I don't you know I think we'll have to

00:15:12 ◼   ► see if it's going to happen like that

00:15:13 ◼   ► with with marissa mayer right there's

00:15:16 ◼   ► something to be said for you know just

00:15:18 ◼   ► doing what you know and what you've done

00:15:19 ◼   ► for the past decade or more and that's

00:15:21 ◼   ► like you know it's the rest of our

00:15:24 ◼   ► google runs very thick through her blood

00:15:27 ◼   ► so you know maybe she does just turn to

00:15:29 ◼   ► them for certain things that that

00:15:31 ◼   ► previous yahoo CEOs one

00:15:33 ◼   ► done another thing that you brought up

00:15:35 ◼   ► if you know right after it happened

00:15:37 ◼   ► which was interesting you tweeted about

00:15:38 ◼   ► did she use an iphone or not and they

00:15:41 ◼   ► think you know a lot of people kind of

00:15:43 ◼   ► dug up that you would see like the

00:15:45 ◼   ► little uh little indications on Twitter

00:15:47 ◼   ► and stuff that she was tweeting from an

00:15:48 ◼   ► iphone and using Instagram in the early

00:15:50 ◼   ► days and stuff like that

00:15:51 ◼   ► that's interesting because you know it's

00:15:53 ◼   ► kinda also shows that she wasn't so

00:15:55 ◼   ► ingrained in the android culture that

00:15:57 ◼   ► she's going to you know

00:15:58 ◼   ► bend over backwards to fork make some

00:16:01 ◼   ► kind of yahoo phone or something that's

00:16:03 ◼   ► that's that's only working on android it

00:16:05 ◼   ► seems like that won't happen and that's

00:16:07 ◼   ► great yeah that you know and it wasn't

00:16:10 ◼   ► just it wasn't just me trying to view

00:16:13 ◼   ► everything from what's it mean for Apple

00:16:15 ◼   ► perspective right by I think I think it

00:16:18 ◼   ► shows that she has an open mind more

00:16:19 ◼   ► than anything you know that she wasn't

00:16:21 ◼   ► just another cog in the google machine

00:16:23 ◼   ► that just uses android because you have

00:16:24 ◼   ► to use android there she was willing and

00:16:26 ◼   ► maybe it's great for from her viewpoint

00:16:28 ◼   ► of a competitive landscape maybe she

00:16:30 ◼   ► wanted just to use iphone maybe she

00:16:32 ◼   ► liked it more maybe she wanted to use it

00:16:33 ◼   ► because she really felt like she needed

00:16:35 ◼   ► to stay on top of you know what are the

00:16:37 ◼   ► big emerging trends out there

00:16:39 ◼   ► well any other thing that makes it

00:16:41 ◼   ► interesting now that she's the CEO at

00:16:42 ◼   ► yahoo's the yahoo I it is quiet but they

00:16:47 ◼   ► have a bunch of partnerships with Apple

00:16:49 ◼   ► as it the content provider for the

00:16:51 ◼   ► iphone

00:16:52 ◼   ► yeah and it's even more with I was 6 or

00:16:55 ◼   ► because I've already talked about kind

00:16:56 ◼   ► of the the Serie and sports integration

00:16:59 ◼   ► I think that's yahoo sports yes it is

00:17:01 ◼   ► its yeah this all the sports stuff in

00:17:03 ◼   ► ios6 is powered by yahoo sports and

00:17:07 ◼   ► yahoo sports is actually one of the

00:17:09 ◼   ► powerhouse properties in yahoo i mean

00:17:14 ◼   ► everybody is not a huge sports fan it's

00:17:16 ◼   ► it's sort of quietly everybody thinks of

00:17:19 ◼   ► things like flickr and the search and

00:17:21 ◼   ► and yahoo mail and stuff like that but

00:17:24 ◼   ► Yahoo Sports is it easily top five

00:17:27 ◼   ► sports site on the web

00:17:29 ◼   ► maybe oh yeah i think it's too it might

00:17:31 ◼   ► be to be you know you always hear these

00:17:33 ◼   ► reports like an ESPN you'll hear in

00:17:35 ◼   ► sports center where they talk about a

00:17:36 ◼   ► report from yahoo sports yeah and that

00:17:39 ◼   ► happens all the time it's a part of it

00:17:41 ◼   ► is because the huge part of it is

00:17:42 ◼   ► because they actually invested quite

00:17:45 ◼   ► heavily in

00:17:46 ◼   ► in original journalism ya on that side

00:17:49 ◼   ► of things in the plan I think way back

00:17:50 ◼   ► when the plan was to kind of start that

00:17:52 ◼   ► with Yahoo Sports see if it would work

00:17:54 ◼   ► and then go into other verticals and

00:17:56 ◼   ► they just never really did that to see

00:17:58 ◼   ► if they could replace like you know the

00:17:59 ◼   ► AP Reuters and become like one of the

00:18:01 ◼   ► you know main sources of wire news and

00:18:04 ◼   ► whatnot but they did do a great job

00:18:05 ◼   ► hiring at yahoo sports and it it remains

00:18:08 ◼   ► a great place for you know breaking

00:18:10 ◼   ► sports news

00:18:11 ◼   ► yeah and i think it's i don't know I I

00:18:14 ◼   ► would yeah i think it's either number

00:18:16 ◼   ► one or number two probably after ESPN

00:18:17 ◼   ► I'm guess yeah I would imagine ESPN's 1

00:18:20 ◼   ► i'm probably too maybe CBS 4s but i

00:18:22 ◼   ► think it's i think it's probably yahoo

00:18:24 ◼   ► sports and it's by far the biggest of

00:18:26 ◼   ► the online-only properties right like

00:18:29 ◼   ► you know the ones that are that competes

00:18:30 ◼   ► with our the TV mostly the TV one's by

00:18:33 ◼   ► ESPN and CBS Sports is big

00:18:37 ◼   ► I and probably Sports Illustrated right

00:18:41 ◼   ► which CNN right now

00:18:43 ◼   ► yeah that's part of it yeah that's

00:18:45 ◼   ► that's really interesting they're also

00:18:46 ◼   ► huge obviously in finance right so they

00:18:50 ◼   ► have a network that's what powers the

00:18:52 ◼   ► iOS stocks app is still right yahoo

00:18:54 ◼   ► financial information so that's another

00:18:57 ◼   ► big vertical from yahoo news is still

00:18:59 ◼   ► huge

00:19:00 ◼   ► I think I don't know if I think google

00:19:02 ◼   ► news may have overtaken it is bigger

00:19:04 ◼   ► property but it's still you know a major

00:19:06 ◼   ► driving factor and what people use yahoo

00:19:09 ◼   ► for rent and I i think that Mobile is

00:19:16 ◼   ► obviously a huge question going forward

00:19:18 ◼   ► for yahoo and you know Apple obviously

00:19:22 ◼   ► has as you know the whole shebang google

00:19:26 ◼   ► obviously has android microsoft has

00:19:29 ◼   ► windows phone haha yahoo doesn't really

00:19:33 ◼   ► have its own or not even I shouldn't

00:19:36 ◼   ► even say really just doesn't have any

00:19:38 ◼   ► kind of mobile right they have no in of

00:19:43 ◼   ► their own right there

00:19:44 ◼   ► they're completely at the beck and call

00:19:46 ◼   ► of these other players right and i think

00:19:48 ◼   ► it was you know I bigger pointless for

00:19:50 ◼   ► them to start I think that they're there

00:19:52 ◼   ► play from mobile is I think to be a

00:19:55 ◼   ► content provider

00:19:56 ◼   ► yes right they absolutely should and

00:19:58 ◼   ► there and that's it's working so far for

00:19:59 ◼   ► iOS

00:20:00 ◼   ► you would imagine that it won't work for

00:20:02 ◼   ► the google flavored android because

00:20:03 ◼   ► they'll they have their own competing

00:20:05 ◼   ► services across the board for all that

00:20:07 ◼   ► stuff for search for sport well not

00:20:10 ◼   ► really for sports maybe we could do for

00:20:11 ◼   ► sports but for finance revenues but you

00:20:14 ◼   ► know maybe sports and you know certainly

00:20:16 ◼   ► maybe they could do something with

00:20:17 ◼   ► Microsoft given the big deal for windows

00:20:20 ◼   ► phone they could

00:20:21 ◼   ► yeah i think that's that's the way to do

00:20:23 ◼   ► well any other things that that struck

00:20:25 ◼   ► me about microsoft is now Microsoft is

00:20:27 ◼   ► out of MSNBC no yeah right like they got

00:20:31 ◼   ► out of the TV channel wide while back

00:20:34 ◼   ► yep but they were they were still

00:20:37 ◼   ► partners on the on the website and now

00:20:39 ◼   ► they're not so I I i do think there's

00:20:42 ◼   ► some opportunities there where they can

00:20:43 ◼   ► sort of try to play it up cross no not

00:20:47 ◼   ► just not just Apple but you know

00:20:50 ◼   ► across-the-board try to get the yahoo

00:20:52 ◼   ► properties established as the leading

00:20:54 ◼   ► mobile providers

00:20:57 ◼   ► yeah that's smart i forget who was I

00:20:59 ◼   ► don't was a you i don't think it was you

00:21:00 ◼   ► who said like one simple goal for yahoo

00:21:04 ◼   ► you know like just talking about that

00:21:05 ◼   ► right after the hiring talking what

00:21:08 ◼   ► Yahoo should focus on like just just

00:21:10 ◼   ► trying to get one app on the main screen

00:21:13 ◼   ► of like every iOS and Android device out

00:21:15 ◼   ► there and is it and I think that it's

00:21:18 ◼   ► good that good strategy i think yeah I

00:21:20 ◼   ► think that's absolutely edge it's it's a

00:21:22 ◼   ► clear goal i think it's in I think it's

00:21:24 ◼   ► doable

00:21:25 ◼   ► yeah yeah and and so google apple also

00:21:30 ◼   ► has the deals for yahoo mail obviously

00:21:33 ◼   ► they've had that since the beginning it

00:21:34 ◼   ► and yeah also sort of interesting

00:21:36 ◼   ► because it's also I think hotmail is

00:21:38 ◼   ► bigger which is weird but i think that's

00:21:40 ◼   ► the biggest one and I think yahoo mail

00:21:42 ◼   ► is still number two with google quickly

00:21:45 ◼   ► catching up to it but that's that's

00:21:46 ◼   ► another property that's huge there's

00:21:48 ◼   ► yahoo messenger it seems like IM is sort

00:21:50 ◼   ► of falling by the wayside you know maybe

00:21:52 ◼   ► they can do some interesting video stuff

00:21:54 ◼   ► and compete with skype more something

00:21:56 ◼   ► like that but these are you know things

00:21:58 ◼   ► that that tens of millions of people use

00:22:00 ◼   ► every day if not a hundred million

00:22:02 ◼   ► people it's kind of a crazy thing

00:22:04 ◼   ► they're scale at that point and I think

00:22:05 ◼   ► that the and i think the other thing

00:22:07 ◼   ► they've got to do is they've got to

00:22:08 ◼   ► start thinking about what's the next big

00:22:10 ◼   ► thing

00:22:11 ◼   ► yes

00:22:11 ◼   ► absolutely and that that will require

00:22:14 ◼   ► you know bringing in some some real

00:22:18 ◼   ► outside thinkers not just the people who

00:22:21 ◼   ► have obviously been at yahoo for the

00:22:22 ◼   ► past 10 years and you know it sucks but

00:22:25 ◼   ► i hope that they do clear house quite a

00:22:28 ◼   ► bit it seems like there's you know you

00:22:30 ◼   ► don't want to call him dead weight but

00:22:31 ◼   ► it seems like there's just a lot of

00:22:32 ◼   ► people you talk to former and current

00:22:35 ◼   ► yahoo employees even they just say

00:22:36 ◼   ► people are just they're collecting a

00:22:38 ◼   ► paycheck and they're not really inspired

00:22:39 ◼   ► maybe this hiring inspires fifty percent

00:22:42 ◼   ► of them but they're still going to be

00:22:43 ◼   ► fifty percent who are just you know just

00:22:45 ◼   ► their kind of kicking around there

00:22:47 ◼   ► they're B players when they need to be a

00:22:48 ◼   ► player's kind of situation i'd totally

00:22:51 ◼   ► agree i think they got a clean house

00:22:54 ◼   ► focus focus focus get a nap on ever get

00:22:59 ◼   ► try to get one app on everybody's home

00:23:00 ◼   ► screen and then figure out what the next

00:23:02 ◼   ► big thing that yahoo can can start the

00:23:05 ◼   ► market for yeah definitely I like our

00:23:09 ◼   ► chances i really do i do too i think

00:23:12 ◼   ► every you know there's there's reason

00:23:15 ◼   ► why the consensus is that this is a good

00:23:16 ◼   ► thing you know there's a few naysayers

00:23:18 ◼   ► who say like I'll she didn't get along

00:23:19 ◼   ► with anyone that you at Google but

00:23:21 ◼   ► there's always going to be stories of

00:23:23 ◼   ► you know you and you can report any

00:23:25 ◼   ► story that you want you can always find

00:23:26 ◼   ► someone to say that but i think that the

00:23:28 ◼   ► general consensus you know ninety

00:23:30 ◼   ► percent of the people are saying that

00:23:31 ◼   ► this is a good thing i think it actually

00:23:33 ◼   ► is a good thing and you never have seen

00:23:35 ◼   ► this before at least in recent memory of

00:23:37 ◼   ► yahoo even when jerry yang came back

00:23:39 ◼   ► right uh it was you know is like a case

00:23:42 ◼   ► they're gonna try and do like it Steve

00:23:43 ◼   ► Jobs rejuvenation type thing but is this

00:23:46 ◼   ► really going to work and of course it

00:23:47 ◼   ► didn't work at all right on it certainly

00:23:50 ◼   ► success is definitely not insured but i

00:23:52 ◼   ► think it's amps it's definitely a

00:23:53 ◼   ► possibility the opportunity is there

00:23:55 ◼   ► I also think too that anybody who who

00:23:59 ◼   ► says know a lot is obviously going to

00:24:01 ◼   ► make enemies

00:24:02 ◼   ► I mean maybe enemies the wrong word but

00:24:04 ◼   ► they're going to have people say which I

00:24:05 ◼   ► do I didn't like working under her

00:24:07 ◼   ► because she said no to all this stuff

00:24:09 ◼   ► alright yeah alright let me take a break

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00:25:13 ◼   ► grip style is sort of like this sort of

00:25:16 ◼   ► like a fat magic marker stylist for any

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00:25:23 ◼   ► thinks when they see is why is it so fat

00:25:25 ◼   ► white white why isn't a finer tip

00:25:28 ◼   ► because the touchscreens we have aren't

00:25:30 ◼   ► meant for fine tip styluses they're

00:25:33 ◼   ► meant for something the size of a finger

00:25:35 ◼   ► so the cosmonaut has like a finger-sized

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00:26:33 ◼   ► the show without me

00:26:35 ◼   ► use a stylus with your with your i

00:26:39 ◼   ► paddle never do you know this this

00:26:41 ◼   ► cosmonaut thing is sort of interesting

00:26:43 ◼   ► i've seen it you know out around before

00:26:46 ◼   ► but it's a hook that kind of like a cran

00:26:49 ◼   ► yeah one of those big fat cranes yeah

00:26:52 ◼   ► that's good you know there is that story

00:26:54 ◼   ► a couple days ago that I forget who

00:26:57 ◼   ► reported it but that Microsoft is

00:26:59 ◼   ► looking into you know next-generation

00:27:01 ◼   ► styluses 442 use with their surface

00:27:05 ◼   ► devices or went out and you know your

00:27:06 ◼   ► kind of reminded of that the Steve Jobs

00:27:08 ◼   ► quote that if you see let's see a

00:27:11 ◼   ► stylist they blew it but this one is

00:27:12 ◼   ► good huh what's this guy's butt up

00:27:14 ◼   ► yeah well it's it's good for it's great

00:27:17 ◼   ► for what the ipad is in fact 18 when

00:27:20 ◼   ► they designed it they had a blog post

00:27:22 ◼   ► about it and they said look if if the

00:27:24 ◼   ► tip has to be fat and all the other

00:27:26 ◼   ► stylists do you see for the ipad ones

00:27:29 ◼   ► that look like more like a regular pet

00:27:31 ◼   ► pens dimensions

00:27:32 ◼   ► yep still have like a pinky finger size

00:27:35 ◼   ► tip at the end because that's what the

00:27:36 ◼   ► screen sense with the touch sensor is

00:27:38 ◼   ► optimized for right on so no it's not

00:27:41 ◼   ► like riding with a fine tip pen and you

00:27:43 ◼   ► can you can get tiny little handwriting

00:27:45 ◼   ► it's you know it's like a marker but if

00:27:47 ◼   ► it's if that's what the tip has to be

00:27:48 ◼   ► why not give you a big thick marker in

00:27:51 ◼   ► your hand it's almost like you like

00:27:53 ◼   ► writing on a on a small white board

00:27:55 ◼   ► instead of pen and paper huh that's

00:27:58 ◼   ► interesting

00:27:58 ◼   ► ok so like from a practical like given

00:28:01 ◼   ► the the practical aspects of what the

00:28:03 ◼   ► ipad screen already it supports as a

00:28:06 ◼   ► touchscreen it's it's like an optimal

00:28:08 ◼   ► marker for nice and and and people often

00:28:13 ◼   ► say to me people often go cuz i quote

00:28:15 ◼   ► the APCs stylist they blew it i right

00:28:18 ◼   ► whatwhat jobs men about that though is

00:28:20 ◼   ► is a device that ships with a stylus and

00:28:23 ◼   ► in writing requires that right either

00:28:26 ◼   ► requires it or is intended to be used a

00:28:28 ◼   ► lot of the time

00:28:30 ◼   ► not that there's never a case for it i

00:28:32 ◼   ► mean i think a nap like paper or any of

00:28:35 ◼   ► the drawing apps for the ipad i

00:28:37 ◼   ► absolutely work better with a stylus

00:28:39 ◼   ► them with a finger

00:28:40 ◼   ► yep yeah and I think that's you know

00:28:43 ◼   ► what is the Galaxy Note has one right

00:28:45 ◼   ► there right a giant phablet and it's

00:28:47 ◼   ► just so ridiculous

00:28:48 ◼   ► affected that ships with one I think I

00:28:51 ◼   ► just saw that they're going to do a

00:28:53 ◼   ► galaxy note 10 now like their content

00:28:56 ◼   ► yeah they're gonna use that because I

00:28:58 ◼   ► guess it is a big seller especially in

00:29:00 ◼   ► in Korea that they're gonna use the note

00:29:03 ◼   ► brand as well it makes sense i mean it

00:29:07 ◼   ► always

00:29:07 ◼   ► I you know someone once I've only seen

00:29:09 ◼   ► it a couple times but someone's head one

00:29:11 ◼   ► stage you know you have them hold it up

00:29:13 ◼   ► to their face just to see how big it is

00:29:14 ◼   ► it's not that much different than the

00:29:16 ◼   ► size of the galaxy 7 which is where the

00:29:19 ◼   ► nexus 7 which is sort of funny

00:29:21 ◼   ► yeah speaking of which you about two

00:29:25 ◼   ► weeks ago you know you reviewed the

00:29:26 ◼   ► nexus 7 over at TechCrunch and you liked

00:29:28 ◼   ► it

00:29:29 ◼   ► yes i did i did and I you know I liked

00:29:32 ◼   ► it a lot more than I expected to you

00:29:34 ◼   ► know it's kind of I was I was gone

00:29:36 ◼   ► uh I was abroad when Google i/o happen

00:29:38 ◼   ► where they had failed it and I was kinda

00:29:41 ◼   ► i was watching the Twitter chatter and

00:29:42 ◼   ► and I'd heard a little thing a few

00:29:44 ◼   ► things here and there about what was

00:29:46 ◼   ► coming and so it intrigued me because I

00:29:48 ◼   ► wanted to see what the form factors like

00:29:50 ◼   ► I mostly wanted to see if google would

00:29:52 ◼   ► be able to google and their partner aces

00:29:54 ◼   ► would be able to create a decent even

00:29:57 ◼   ► tablet for under two hundred dollars

00:29:59 ◼   ► because we've all seen the kindle fire

00:30:01 ◼   ► it sucks you know it's it's 200 is under

00:30:04 ◼   ► two hundred dollars but i am not making

00:30:06 ◼   ► any money selling it and it still sucks

00:30:08 ◼   ► so I was very curious to see what if it

00:30:11 ◼   ► would be any good and so the the initial

00:30:13 ◼   ► reports coming out seem to suggest that

00:30:15 ◼   ► was pretty good and so Google was nice

00:30:17 ◼   ► enough to send me one too to take a look

00:30:19 ◼   ► at and you know props to them they know

00:30:20 ◼   ► that I I'm pretty negative towards

00:30:23 ◼   ► google image in recent years in general

00:30:26 ◼   ► but they know i think that you know if

00:30:27 ◼   ► they if they actually make a good

00:30:28 ◼   ► product i'm gonna call it like I see it

00:30:30 ◼   ► and say that it's a pretty good product

00:30:32 ◼   ► and i do believe that this is a pretty

00:30:34 ◼   ► good product i think that you know it's

00:30:37 ◼   ► it's a lot of people want to frame and

00:30:39 ◼   ► of course the ipad it's different right

00:30:42 ◼   ► now because one is you know a 9.7 inch

00:30:46 ◼   ► one is a 7-inch tablet and you you hear

00:30:49 ◼   ► that in your mind and you think oh

00:30:51 ◼   ► that's not the big difference but

00:30:53 ◼   ► diagonally speaking the screen size and

00:30:54 ◼   ► everything it's actually a pretty huge

00:30:56 ◼   ► difference and that's i love the form

00:30:58 ◼   ► factor of it and you know as I said in

00:31:01 ◼   ► my review

00:31:02 ◼   ► I think that this is the strongest case

00:31:04 ◼   ► yet for why Apple should do something in

00:31:07 ◼   ► this in this form factor in all

00:31:09 ◼   ► indications you know seem to be that

00:31:11 ◼   ► they're going to do something maybe a

00:31:12 ◼   ► little bit bigger of course but uh I you

00:31:15 ◼   ► know the main thing is the form factor

00:31:17 ◼   ► the second thing is that Android a 4.1

00:31:21 ◼   ► jellybean variety is a is finally to the

00:31:24 ◼   ► point where it feels smooth enough and

00:31:26 ◼   ► it's interesting i also have it

00:31:28 ◼   ► installed on a Galaxy Nexus which is you

00:31:30 ◼   ► know their last flagship device and i

00:31:33 ◼   ► definitely liked it more on the nexus 7

00:31:34 ◼   ► i don't know if you know III this device

00:31:36 ◼   ► is obviously a little bit faster than

00:31:38 ◼   ► that but uh for whatever reason i just i

00:31:40 ◼   ► think it's it's much more nicely attuned

00:31:43 ◼   ► to do that 7-inch tablet than it is to

00:31:45 ◼   ► the the 4 inch or whatever size screen

00:31:48 ◼   ► the the Galaxy Nexus has and maybe

00:31:50 ◼   ► because there's less scrolling involved

00:31:52 ◼   ► yeah good because I still feel like I

00:31:54 ◼   ► still feel like that's the one thing on

00:31:56 ◼   ► Android that is very jarring is

00:31:58 ◼   ► scrolling yeah it it's you know they

00:32:02 ◼   ► made a big point about saying how

00:32:03 ◼   ► buttery they even call it butter right

00:32:05 ◼   ► there

00:32:05 ◼   ► their new accelerated thing it's still

00:32:08 ◼   ► it's not as smooth as iOS four you know

00:32:12 ◼   ► whatever reason they can't get that to

00:32:14 ◼   ► happen but it's you know it's something

00:32:15 ◼   ► that i think the majority of consumers

00:32:17 ◼   ► would would would not care about and/or

00:32:20 ◼   ► notice except subconsciously which I do

00:32:23 ◼   ► think it's so important I think you know

00:32:24 ◼   ► when people think about quality there's

00:32:26 ◼   ► subconscious things going on you know

00:32:28 ◼   ► when they use the device when they pick

00:32:29 ◼   ► it up at an apple store and just don't

00:32:30 ◼   ► even realize like oh this is so much

00:32:32 ◼   ► smoother it's just kind of a little

00:32:33 ◼   ► thing but I think for the most part the

00:32:36 ◼   ► price and the size of this makes it

00:32:38 ◼   ► compelling to a lot of people and I

00:32:40 ◼   ► think they're going to have strong sales

00:32:42 ◼   ► the indications are that they're already

00:32:43 ◼   ► a failing to meet some demand for it

00:32:46 ◼   ► right

00:32:46 ◼   ► it's a very good time and I do think

00:32:48 ◼   ► that mean they have explicitly pitched

00:32:50 ◼   ► it as a consumption device

00:32:52 ◼   ► I mean they're an addy I into their

00:32:54 ◼   ► credit i actually think that sort of

00:32:56 ◼   ► focus is why the product is getting I

00:33:00 ◼   ► haven't I actually haven't seen a bad

00:33:01 ◼   ► review of the next system

00:33:03 ◼   ► yeah and I think that that having that

00:33:06 ◼   ► sort of focus so here's what it's meant

00:33:08 ◼   ► for it is meant for buying stuff from

00:33:10 ◼   ► our google play store

00:33:13 ◼   ► yeah we went to the point where they put

00:33:15 ◼   ► all

00:33:16 ◼   ► that stuff on the main screen like they

00:33:17 ◼   ► have this widget and in jellybean that's

00:33:19 ◼   ► basically like you can rearrange things

00:33:22 ◼   ► a bit but they have you know giant

00:33:23 ◼   ► picture of a magazine you know that

00:33:25 ◼   ► comes shipped with it's like an Esquire

00:33:27 ◼   ► or something and then they have a

00:33:28 ◼   ► Transformers movie box a artwork so you

00:33:34 ◼   ► have that on there too and then you have

00:33:35 ◼   ► a couple books that they shipped with it

00:33:36 ◼   ► they make it front and center very

00:33:38 ◼   ► obvious that this is about this is about

00:33:40 ◼   ► media consumption and the google play

00:33:42 ◼   ► store right and i also think you know

00:33:44 ◼   ► and i know we for three years now we've

00:33:46 ◼   ► had these arguments about the ipad is it

00:33:48 ◼   ► for consumption is it good for creation

00:33:50 ◼   ► is a general-purpose computer I and as a

00:33:55 ◼   ► platform it's for anything I mean

00:33:57 ◼   ► eventually these tablet OS is like

00:34:00 ◼   ► android and iOS could be used that you

00:34:03 ◼   ► know that's that's the future of

00:34:04 ◼   ► computing in general for everything on

00:34:07 ◼   ► so the argument isn't is the ipad mostly

00:34:12 ◼   ► used for consumption yes probably it is

00:34:14 ◼   ► but that you know windows is mostly used

00:34:15 ◼   ► for consumption most people don't make

00:34:17 ◼   ► websites most people just reading right

00:34:19 ◼   ► i mean I stuff my entire the entire

00:34:21 ◼   ► internet is that way I mean you know

00:34:23 ◼   ► there's the rule where it's ten percent

00:34:25 ◼   ► creators and ninety percent you know

00:34:26 ◼   ► right

00:34:26 ◼   ► consumers of of the information yeah but

00:34:29 ◼   ► i do think that that's the argument in

00:34:31 ◼   ► favor of or a big part of the argument

00:34:34 ◼   ► and end of Apple jumping into this you

00:34:36 ◼   ► know smaller tablet market is for people

00:34:39 ◼   ► who are just look I just want to watch

00:34:42 ◼   ► some TV shows while I sit in bed with

00:34:44 ◼   ► something that just comfortably sits on

00:34:45 ◼   ► my you know I'm propped up in bed

00:34:48 ◼   ► yeah it's a great form factor I think

00:34:49 ◼   ► you know going back really quick to the

00:34:52 ◼   ► two that the media side of things and

00:34:55 ◼   ► kind of these these devices being set up

00:34:57 ◼   ► for the google play store you know the

00:34:59 ◼   ► one of the biggest criticisms I had of

00:35:01 ◼   ► the Nexus 7 is that while google is

00:35:03 ◼   ► playing this up as as a device for

00:35:05 ◼   ► consumption of the google play content

00:35:07 ◼   ► Google Play content is still not nearly

00:35:10 ◼   ► where it needs to be in relation to both

00:35:12 ◼   ► Apple and Amazon I mean they still don't

00:35:15 ◼   ► have warner music on there so that you

00:35:16 ◼   ► know don't have a quarter of of the

00:35:18 ◼   ► music catalog out there in the world are

00:35:20 ◼   ► on this that you can get on this device

00:35:22 ◼   ► what do you do with if you have you know

00:35:24 ◼   ► REM or something or some other Warner

00:35:26 ◼   ► artist that you really want and you can

00:35:28 ◼   ► get it you could use of course

00:35:29 ◼   ► spotifyrdio or one of those but you know

00:35:32 ◼   ► there's Google is trying to get you to

00:35:33 ◼   ► use the google play store and they just

00:35:35 ◼   ► don't have the same amount of content

00:35:37 ◼   ► same goes with magazine same goes with

00:35:38 ◼   ► books

00:35:39 ◼   ► same goes with even-even films they

00:35:41 ◼   ► don't have everything right and and so

00:35:44 ◼   ► it's kinda I did I still don't really

00:35:46 ◼   ► think that Google has the complete

00:35:48 ◼   ► picture worked out of how this should

00:35:50 ◼   ► work it's kind of confusing as to why

00:35:52 ◼   ► they're forcing everyone into this

00:35:55 ◼   ► mentality that this is for the google

00:35:56 ◼   ► play store when the google you know the

00:35:58 ◼   ► play store isn't quite ready for prime

00:36:00 ◼   ► time yet but i think they saw the the

00:36:02 ◼   ► Amazon threat of the kindle fire you

00:36:04 ◼   ► know taking control of Android itself

00:36:07 ◼   ► for the tablets and they just felt like

00:36:09 ◼   ► they had to make this move right now

00:36:10 ◼   ► right and i think it was a very right

00:36:15 ◼   ► it's very much it really is exactly what

00:36:19 ◼   ► they said it was there's no hidden

00:36:21 ◼   ► purpose to it is to have a device to

00:36:25 ◼   ► support their online media that you know

00:36:28 ◼   ► the play store

00:36:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah and and you know while it's

00:36:33 ◼   ► well it's definitely it's definitely a

00:36:36 ◼   ► hit on the advice that they don't have

00:36:37 ◼   ► any 3g you know or wireless capabilities

00:36:40 ◼   ► whatsoever i also think that that's a

00:36:42 ◼   ► great move on their part just because

00:36:44 ◼   ► just because the fact they can show the

00:36:46 ◼   ► carrier's finally that they have some

00:36:47 ◼   ► leverage

00:36:48 ◼   ► uh you know that they can actually sell

00:36:50 ◼   ► these things without needing the carrier

00:36:53 ◼   ► right uh you know to do it and so they

00:36:55 ◼   ► can finally ship android the new android

00:36:57 ◼   ► updates and not have to worry about any

00:36:59 ◼   ► carrier having any say over when these

00:37:02 ◼   ► wear these rollouts actually come i do

00:37:04 ◼   ► think the next that brings us back to

00:37:06 ◼   ► the commercial in the commercial is this

00:37:07 ◼   ► the dad camping with his son and they're

00:37:10 ◼   ► using the nexus 7 to do all sorts of

00:37:13 ◼   ► cool things at night on and the big

00:37:18 ◼   ► reveal at the end of the commercial is

00:37:20 ◼   ► that other just can't they're actually

00:37:22 ◼   ► just camping in the backyard right which

00:37:24 ◼   ► explains why how they had no internet

00:37:26 ◼   ► access because it's Wi-Fi on right i

00:37:29 ◼   ► mean the other explanation would be that

00:37:30 ◼   ► the dad had my fire or something you

00:37:32 ◼   ► know it in his bag but that's not going

00:37:34 ◼   ► to work for a sexy commercial yeah

00:37:36 ◼   ► that's it's sort of funny the way that

00:37:38 ◼   ► they did it just kind of nodding to the

00:37:40 ◼   ► fact that you probably don't want to use

00:37:42 ◼   ► this thing actually in the

00:37:43 ◼   ► the woods that you will just want to use

00:37:45 ◼   ► a close to your house or close to a

00:37:47 ◼   ► place of work somewhere with Wi-Fi i do

00:37:50 ◼   ► wonder i wonder if the lack of a of a 3g

00:37:53 ◼   ► version if they're about to be hit on

00:37:55 ◼   ► two sides on that front though because

00:37:57 ◼   ► what if and what if the kindle to Kindle

00:38:00 ◼   ► Fire 2 has yeah that's a great point

00:38:04 ◼   ► because I amazon already has those

00:38:06 ◼   ► relationships right with with the kindle

00:38:08 ◼   ► itself they had who'd ya at first I

00:38:10 ◼   ► think they tmobile and then they got

00:38:12 ◼   ► AT&T to provide for free

00:38:14 ◼   ► it was baked into the cost of the device

00:38:16 ◼   ► but you could get updates of your books

00:38:18 ◼   ► and download books for free without

00:38:20 ◼   ► having to worry about a monthly bill

00:38:21 ◼   ► thing right I do wonder how they would

00:38:23 ◼   ► negotiate that if if it was a general

00:38:25 ◼   ► consumption device meaning you know you

00:38:27 ◼   ► could browse the web and download movies

00:38:30 ◼   ► uh it seems like it would be a little

00:38:33 ◼   ► little pricey for them to I don't think

00:38:35 ◼   ► trying to negotiate something without a

00:38:37 ◼   ► deal right now I don't think and I don't

00:38:38 ◼   ► think they could possibly do that for

00:38:40 ◼   ► free i mean nobody they can do it they

00:38:41 ◼   ► got away with it on the E and candles

00:38:43 ◼   ► because that's so little data right and

00:38:46 ◼   ► Emmy of you mean if you ever tried using

00:38:48 ◼   ► the web browser on one of those things

00:38:49 ◼   ► minutes you know it's almost it's like a

00:38:52 ◼   ► parlor trick it's not really

00:38:54 ◼   ► yeah it's not really feasible it's like

00:38:56 ◼   ► getting web pages by facts right but

00:38:59 ◼   ► maybe may I got they would have to I

00:39:02 ◼   ► imagines do the same kind of deal that

00:39:04 ◼   ► Apple did with the ipad where you have a

00:39:06 ◼   ► a come come as you want to take plan

00:39:09 ◼   ► we're just you know you can pay one

00:39:10 ◼   ► month and not pay the next imagine they

00:39:12 ◼   ► have to do that unless unless they did

00:39:15 ◼   ► some deal with one of the carriers and

00:39:16 ◼   ► they subsidize the price the kindle fire

00:39:18 ◼   ► down to free because you signed up for

00:39:21 ◼   ► ten dollars a month or something like

00:39:22 ◼   ► that maybe they could do that but it

00:39:24 ◼   ► still seems like the the bar has been

00:39:27 ◼   ► set with these tablet devices that

00:39:29 ◼   ► you're going to pay whatever you pay

00:39:31 ◼   ► whatever the retail prices and you're

00:39:32 ◼   ► not going to worry about a monthly bill

00:39:34 ◼   ► Wright which brings us to apples

00:39:37 ◼   ► purported ipad mini and whether or not

00:39:39 ◼   ► it will have 3g I i think it will I

00:39:44 ◼   ► think it'll have the exact same sku

00:39:46 ◼   ► configurations is as the big ipad so you

00:39:49 ◼   ► think it will have 4g as well and also

00:39:51 ◼   ► LTE know I'd well I don't know I don't

00:39:56 ◼   ► know about that

00:39:56 ◼   ► that yeah I i guess that comes down to

00:40:00 ◼   ► two battery in and yeah that's the

00:40:04 ◼   ► biggest factor i would imagine for what

00:40:06 ◼   ► they are decided by maybe because a lot

00:40:08 ◼   ► of what I've been seeing lately

00:40:09 ◼   ► speculates that a big a bigger power

00:40:12 ◼   ► drain on the ipad 3 is the retina

00:40:15 ◼   ► display not the LT compared to the ipad

00:40:18 ◼   ► 2 that the screen is actually consuming

00:40:20 ◼   ► a bigger reason why the battery is

00:40:22 ◼   ► thicker than the LTE that's interesting

00:40:26 ◼   ► LOL so you have to you have to consider

00:40:28 ◼   ► the fact that you know were what six

00:40:31 ◼   ► months removing us from the new ipad and

00:40:33 ◼   ► so even now they probably have slightly

00:40:36 ◼   ► better chips in terms of power

00:40:37 ◼   ► consumption management for LTE can

00:40:39 ◼   ► imagine

00:40:40 ◼   ► yeah I actually now that I think about

00:40:41 ◼   ► it I think it's gonna be I think it

00:40:43 ◼   ► probably would if it has 3g at all it

00:40:45 ◼   ► would have LT and if they do that that's

00:40:49 ◼   ► that's a killer feature right there

00:40:51 ◼   ► right we'll have a lot of people are

00:40:52 ◼   ► going to love that what do you think I

00:40:54 ◼   ► am I thought on price is 299 I don't

00:40:58 ◼   ► think they're gonna go to 199 what do

00:40:59 ◼   ► you think there's I think they'll do 199

00:41:01 ◼   ► wifi-only but and location and Andy

00:41:05 ◼   ► usually amount of storage but they'll

00:41:07 ◼   ► hit that price point and you'll have to

00:41:10 ◼   ► pay i forget what the what's the premium

00:41:14 ◼   ► for getting 3g on i think i think it's

00:41:17 ◼   ► is it is only thirty dollars no it's a

00:41:20 ◼   ► hundred and thirty dollars right right a

00:41:22 ◼   ► hundred and thirty dollars that's all i

00:41:24 ◼   ► said i would think you know 199 get you

00:41:26 ◼   ► a Wi-Fi only one and 299 get you one

00:41:29 ◼   ► with 3g like a hundred so how'd it how

00:41:32 ◼   ► do you reconcile that then you know with

00:41:34 ◼   ► the there was just a report yesterday

00:41:35 ◼   ► and you know who knows these are

00:41:36 ◼   ► one-time reports out of like Japan or

00:41:38 ◼   ► China or wherever where you know talking

00:41:40 ◼   ► about a new ipod touch it seems like a

00:41:42 ◼   ► new ipod touch is coming because they

00:41:43 ◼   ► haven't refresh your writing over a year

00:41:45 ◼   ► right

00:41:46 ◼   ► it's been 22 years basically and if that

00:41:49 ◼   ► device which now sells for 199 at the

00:41:51 ◼   ► base level how do you reconcile the

00:41:53 ◼   ► price discrepancy like those being the

00:41:55 ◼   ► same price i just i don't think it's a I

00:41:57 ◼   ► don't think it's a problem I think it's

00:41:58 ◼   ► clear i think that with devices like

00:42:02 ◼   ► laptops

00:42:03 ◼   ► yep there's that it's a one-way

00:42:07 ◼   ► correlation smaller is cheaper bigger is

00:42:09 ◼   ► more expensive because you're the bigger

00:42:11 ◼   ► displays are more expensive yet but

00:42:14 ◼   ► laptops only shrink to a certain size

00:42:17 ◼   ► whereas stuff that fits in your pocket

00:42:19 ◼   ► you actually pay a premium for

00:42:21 ◼   ► miniaturization and to me it's exactly

00:42:23 ◼   ► the same as the the dilemma over the

00:42:27 ◼   ► original of going back to like 2,000 for

00:42:30 ◼   ► the ipod mini rights which only had

00:42:34 ◼   ► wrote about the other day is very is not

00:42:36 ◼   ► there's not a huge price discrepancy

00:42:38 ◼   ► even though it had less memory and it

00:42:40 ◼   ► was just smaller right we're paying

00:42:42 ◼   ► almost had it had less storage and only

00:42:44 ◼   ► had four gigabytes of storage which was

00:42:46 ◼   ► less than the original ipod from three

00:42:49 ◼   ► years prior so people were like this is

00:42:50 ◼   ► not no one's gonna buy this and the

00:42:53 ◼   ► truth is people see wow that's way

00:42:55 ◼   ► smaller and cooler looking I want that

00:42:57 ◼   ► one

00:42:58 ◼   ► yeah I that so that's what I think I

00:43:00 ◼   ► maybe maybe there's an issue where they

00:43:02 ◼   ► don't want both of them priced exactly

00:43:04 ◼   ► 199 and they dropped the intro of the

00:43:06 ◼   ► like the the base model of the ipod

00:43:09 ◼   ► touch to 179

00:43:10 ◼   ► yeah something like that I but i don't

00:43:14 ◼   ► think it's an issue because it's two

00:43:15 ◼   ► entirely different

00:43:17 ◼   ► i sighs yeah if they include so you know

00:43:22 ◼   ► presumably a new ipod touch would have a

00:43:25 ◼   ► Retina display because the old one

00:43:26 ◼   ► already dice and it would presumably

00:43:29 ◼   ► also have a better camera if they can be

00:43:30 ◼   ► you know just as a camera device if it

00:43:32 ◼   ► is just as good of a camera as the the

00:43:34 ◼   ► iphone 4s does that's a killer camera

00:43:36 ◼   ► device for you know kids to buy for 199

00:43:39 ◼   ► and carry around with them and you know

00:43:41 ◼   ► on top of everything else it does so I

00:43:43 ◼   ► agree with you because the ipad mini

00:43:45 ◼   ► will you no will call that will not be

00:43:48 ◼   ► considered a camera device except for

00:43:50 ◼   ► those few jackasses and counselors that

00:43:52 ◼   ► will hold it as they always do with the

00:43:55 ◼   ► regular ipad right with that I thought

00:43:57 ◼   ► of that too is how many people I see

00:43:59 ◼   ► with how many people I see using the

00:44:01 ◼   ► iPad as a camera I can't even imagine

00:44:02 ◼   ► how people are going to use the ipad

00:44:04 ◼   ► mini and they'll just they'll have like

00:44:07 ◼   ► head-mounted head-mounted displays with

00:44:09 ◼   ► the with this little device probably two

00:44:11 ◼   ► of them up there to be able to capture

00:44:13 ◼   ► two different you know like it and it's

00:44:15 ◼   ► the same thing going back to like stuff

00:44:16 ◼   ► like Game Boys and and

00:44:18 ◼   ► and you know the playstation portable

00:44:20 ◼   ► and stuff like that like people know

00:44:22 ◼   ► that the shrink it to fit in a pants

00:44:24 ◼   ► pocket costs a lot of money

00:44:26 ◼   ► yeah like white and white is a PSP a

00:44:28 ◼   ► playstation portable cost as much as a

00:44:31 ◼   ► the whole console right right

00:44:35 ◼   ► I wonder you know they're so there's

00:44:37 ◼   ► there's battery life as well so the

00:44:38 ◼   ► Nexus 7 has great battery life part of

00:44:40 ◼   ► the reason though is that it doesn't

00:44:42 ◼   ► have the wireless uh you know chips in

00:44:44 ◼   ► it so it's a it's only relying on Wi-Fi

00:44:46 ◼   ► to be able to do that nor does it have a

00:44:47 ◼   ► Retina display but we we assume right

00:44:50 ◼   ► the ipad mini will not have a Retina

00:44:51 ◼   ► display because you've made the great

00:44:53 ◼   ► point you know great case for why it

00:44:55 ◼   ► would if they do it would be cut from

00:44:57 ◼   ► the same bright display as the three the

00:45:00 ◼   ► iphone right and I don't know that for a

00:45:02 ◼   ► fact that's just my own speculation and

00:45:04 ◼   ► so maybe it would actually be a

00:45:05 ◼   ► different technology but i still think

00:45:07 ◼   ► though the fact that they have

00:45:08 ◼   ► experienced massive amounts of

00:45:10 ◼   ► experience for five years making exactly

00:45:12 ◼   ► 163 pics pixel print screens that it

00:45:16 ◼   ► it's gotta work out in our favor

00:45:18 ◼   ► operations was even if it's not

00:45:19 ◼   ► literally cut from the same sheet says

00:45:21 ◼   ► that the 3gs but I Isis I would be very

00:45:24 ◼   ► surprised I wouldn't be surprised at all

00:45:25 ◼   ► if when we get them and we look at it

00:45:27 ◼   ► that it looks like you know a quadruple

00:45:30 ◼   ► size 3gs and that's a that's you know

00:45:33 ◼   ► that's another differentiating factor

00:45:35 ◼   ► between what we just talked about the

00:45:36 ◼   ► differentiating factors between the ipod

00:45:38 ◼   ► touch and the this ipad mini yes also

00:45:41 ◼   ► have to think obviously the ipad mini

00:45:42 ◼   ► versus the regular ipad i mean yeah

00:45:45 ◼   ► absolutely i think that and I know so I

00:45:47 ◼   ► don't think that I i would expect that

00:45:49 ◼   ► even if they even after even if it's

00:45:51 ◼   ► true and apple does release this 7.5

00:45:54 ◼   ► inch ipad mini at a aggressive price

00:45:57 ◼   ► point I mean maybe it starts at two

00:45:59 ◼   ► forty nine instead of young 99 me that

00:46:01 ◼   ► way it's not more than half the price i

00:46:03 ◼   ► mean i think that's I think 249 is a

00:46:06 ◼   ► very very good bet if you're if you've

00:46:08 ◼   ► got like an office pool on what the ipad

00:46:10 ◼   ► mini starting price is going to be 2 49

00:46:11 ◼   ► is committed and maybe even better than

00:46:14 ◼   ► one menu and yeah and it's still I mean

00:46:17 ◼   ► they could easily get away with doing

00:46:18 ◼   ► that in a world of a of a 199 Nexus 7

00:46:21 ◼   ► and Kindle Fire because there's so much

00:46:23 ◼   ► more to just value in the ecosystem of

00:46:26 ◼   ► all these apps that are made for the

00:46:27 ◼   ► ipad they've all this content that's

00:46:29 ◼   ► already out there they have millions of

00:46:31 ◼   ► users that already have

00:46:32 ◼   ► have all their apps you know that

00:46:35 ◼   ► they've downloaded and so you know

00:46:36 ◼   ► you're gonna have tens of millions of

00:46:38 ◼   ► users right off the bat who buy this

00:46:39 ◼   ► thing yeah even if they do it i don't

00:46:41 ◼   ► expect that sales of the big ipad the

00:46:44 ◼   ► regular one with the only one we know

00:46:46 ◼   ► now i don't think that they'll drop it

00:46:48 ◼   ► all I think they'll continue to grow

00:46:50 ◼   ► I think it's a different i think it's

00:46:51 ◼   ► expanding into a different market not

00:46:53 ◼   ► eating into the same market and I wonder

00:46:55 ◼   ► you know the margin question would be

00:46:58 ◼   ► fascinating to kind of get into its like

00:47:00 ◼   ► the there's they're getting down there

00:47:03 ◼   ► because the ipad is already a lower

00:47:04 ◼   ► margin device than the iphone right but

00:47:06 ◼   ► that's a lot to do with subsidies and

00:47:08 ◼   ► right you know that's that's a huge

00:47:09 ◼   ► issue there but it's still it's still a

00:47:11 ◼   ► healthy margin that they're making when

00:47:13 ◼   ► you get down to if you get down to 249

00:47:15 ◼   ► and 199 you know how much of a margin is

00:47:18 ◼   ► that going to be can they really make

00:47:20 ◼   ► these things for a hundred bucks can

00:47:22 ◼   ► make them for a hundred and thirty bucks

00:47:24 ◼   ► uh all said and done I i wouldn't be

00:47:28 ◼   ► surprised especially if they can already

00:47:30 ◼   ► make an ipod touch for one then you know

00:47:32 ◼   ► you know and and you know I i think that

00:47:35 ◼   ► you respect wise you know once the the

00:47:37 ◼   ► iFixit guys take one apart and once we

00:47:40 ◼   ► run benchmarks stuff on it you know it's

00:47:43 ◼   ► not going to be the the latest and

00:47:46 ◼   ► greatest system-on-a-chip it's not going

00:47:48 ◼   ► to have the retina display and i think

00:47:50 ◼   ► it's going to have you know like the the

00:47:52 ◼   ► equivalent system-on-a-chip is like the

00:47:53 ◼   ► iphone four maybe I don't know maybe the

00:47:56 ◼   ► for us but the 4 s's are a year old now

00:47:57 ◼   ► so that's cheaper

00:47:59 ◼   ► yeah ah yeah and I think that's that

00:48:01 ◼   ► whole Tim Cook angle on Apple is that

00:48:04 ◼   ► they they reuse these certain core

00:48:07 ◼   ► technologies in a way that they just

00:48:10 ◼   ► leverage the hell out of the economies

00:48:12 ◼   ► of scale right i mean i would love to

00:48:15 ◼   ► know what it costs them to make a 3gs

00:48:17 ◼   ► now like what it actually call it like

00:48:20 ◼   ► what would be the break-even price on an

00:48:23 ◼   ► iphone 3gs well so it's subsidized down

00:48:25 ◼   ► to zero but they said so what do they

00:48:27 ◼   ► actually sell it for like we can get an

00:48:29 ◼   ► unlocked one for is that 199 yeah

00:48:31 ◼   ► somebody told me that somebody just had

00:48:33 ◼   ► a story last week that in India they're

00:48:36 ◼   ► selling it as a prepaid device for 199

00:48:40 ◼   ► the equivalent of you know that once you

00:48:42 ◼   ► you know right that it's about 200 bucks

00:48:45 ◼   ► ok ok so that's interesting yeah yeah it

00:48:48 ◼   ► because it's you know along lines of an

00:48:49 ◼   ► ipad and ipod touch now yes right right

00:48:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah okay yeah i mean i think it

00:49:00 ◼   ► seems like this is this is going to

00:49:01 ◼   ► happen now there's been too many reports

00:49:02 ◼   ► out there right when there's this much

00:49:04 ◼   ► smoke around something it's you know

00:49:06 ◼   ► there's got to be something out there

00:49:07 ◼   ► that it's coming it's always possible of

00:49:09 ◼   ► course that apple would delay it at the

00:49:10 ◼   ► last second because of some issue may be

00:49:12 ◼   ► there maybe there's a supply issue like

00:49:15 ◼   ► you know who knows what can happen along

00:49:17 ◼   ► those lines but if they get this thing

00:49:18 ◼   ► out in time for the holidays

00:49:19 ◼   ► this could be you know the the greatest

00:49:22 ◼   ► selling holiday device that they've that

00:49:24 ◼   ► they've ever launched a you know a

00:49:26 ◼   ► holiday time right and i think it could

00:49:28 ◼   ► get it it could get silly real fast that

00:49:31 ◼   ► all the market share numbers consider

00:49:35 ◼   ► the tablet to be at its own category not

00:49:37 ◼   ► the pc right right i can I realized the

00:49:41 ◼   ► ipad is not a pc as we know it but i

00:49:42 ◼   ► think that it just shows that it's silly

00:49:44 ◼   ► in today's day 22 count pc sales as a

00:49:48 ◼   ► market you hurt you if you know don't

00:49:51 ◼   ► worry about whether it's a pcr just in

00:49:53 ◼   ► big in the category and say computing

00:49:54 ◼   ► devices mobile computing you know

00:49:57 ◼   ► yeah i totally agree this is the all

00:49:59 ◼   ► that matters is how people are using

00:50:01 ◼   ► computers on a daily basis and you know

00:50:04 ◼   ► the ipad / tablets are coming with a

00:50:08 ◼   ► vengeance now the next seven numbers are

00:50:10 ◼   ► going to be huge the kindle fire was big

00:50:12 ◼   ► for a bit and then it dropped off but

00:50:13 ◼   ► you know all indications are that Amazon

00:50:15 ◼   ► is getting ready to release another one

00:50:16 ◼   ► arm the other two things you know to

00:50:19 ◼   ► talk about is that so we got the nexus 7

00:50:22 ◼   ► and you've got the kindle fire now the

00:50:24 ◼   ► reports yesterday are that Amazon is

00:50:26 ◼   ► going to have a another device coming

00:50:29 ◼   ► out a refreshed a kindle fire but they

00:50:31 ◼   ► also have a 10 inch version and so

00:50:35 ◼   ► that's a you know that's going straight

00:50:37 ◼   ► on with the with the current ipad and

00:50:39 ◼   ► the other line of thinking is that

00:50:40 ◼   ► google called the nexus 7 x-7 because

00:50:43 ◼   ► they're going to have another sighs

00:50:45 ◼   ► device to to come out with down the road

00:50:47 ◼   ► to write DX is 10 or something right and

00:50:50 ◼   ► nexus 10 so what do you think about them

00:50:52 ◼   ► going directly after the ipad i mean

00:50:54 ◼   ► obviously no one made any inroads and

00:50:56 ◼   ► all this time these two year two plus

00:50:58 ◼   ► years

00:50:58 ◼   ► going after the ipad do you think that's

00:51:01 ◼   ► like a good way to get a foothold in the

00:51:03 ◼   ► door like with the nexus 7 doing well

00:51:04 ◼   ► then the nexus 10 does better as a

00:51:06 ◼   ► result of the nexus 7 doing well yeah i

00:51:09 ◼   ► think it could especially if it

00:51:10 ◼   ► continues to sell i think it's you know

00:51:12 ◼   ► I think it's the way to go and I think

00:51:13 ◼   ► the argument the argument for multiple

00:51:15 ◼   ► tablet sizes is exactly the same as the

00:51:17 ◼   ► argument for multiple laptop sizes the

00:51:20 ◼   ► different people have are willing to

00:51:21 ◼   ► make different trade-offs you know why

00:51:23 ◼   ► would somebody carry around a 15-inch

00:51:25 ◼   ► four and a half pound macbook pro right

00:51:28 ◼   ► when you know when i'm living at the

00:51:30 ◼   ► luxurious life with my little love you

00:51:32 ◼   ► know stack of paper weighs like macro

00:51:35 ◼   ► hair

00:51:35 ◼   ► well because some people are doing like

00:51:37 ◼   ► pro audio and video or some people just

00:51:39 ◼   ► like to have a big-screen everywhere

00:51:41 ◼   ► they go

00:51:41 ◼   ► you know yet i definitely think that I

00:51:44 ◼   ► think anybody who has any kind of

00:51:46 ◼   ► lasting success in the tablet market is

00:51:47 ◼   ► going to have a a some sort of range of

00:51:50 ◼   ► sizes and this and the surface is going

00:51:53 ◼   ► to be slightly bigger right it's like a

00:51:54 ◼   ► 10.6 inch screen i think at least the

00:51:57 ◼   ► the initial version that that Microsoft

00:51:59 ◼   ► will be coming out with I don't think it

00:52:01 ◼   ► was quite that much bigger I think it

00:52:02 ◼   ► was but it was definitely 10-point

00:52:04 ◼   ► something something I was like 10.1

00:52:06 ◼   ► maybe it is ok but so it's slightly

00:52:08 ◼   ► larger so they're obviously you know not

00:52:11 ◼   ► not focusing at least at first on the

00:52:13 ◼   ► smaller tablet space and going rights

00:52:15 ◼   ► directly after the ipad space right and

00:52:17 ◼   ► and i think it gets back to your point

00:52:19 ◼   ► about people who are using tablets his

00:52:21 ◼   ► laptop replacement I mean that's clearly

00:52:23 ◼   ► examining explicitly what the surface is

00:52:26 ◼   ► aimed at right as we've seen with the

00:52:28 ◼   ► with the keyboard itself the keyboard

00:52:31 ◼   ► cover which you know I was pretty I

00:52:32 ◼   ► ripped apart uh pretty quickly just

00:52:35 ◼   ► because i think i think it's a silly

00:52:37 ◼   ► thing to do it where it's a built into

00:52:40 ◼   ► the device itself and i know it's in

00:52:41 ◼   ► it's an add-on I don't know are they

00:52:43 ◼   ► giving it to have they announced that

00:52:44 ◼   ► they're going to give it with the the

00:52:47 ◼   ► surface or if you have to buy it as a

00:52:48 ◼   ► separate add-on of the night I guess I

00:52:51 ◼   ► it must be a separate item because

00:52:52 ◼   ► there's two different ones

00:52:54 ◼   ► that's right ok you're right so that's

00:52:56 ◼   ► good ok because like I can rip apart is

00:52:58 ◼   ► like it just kinda you know moves the

00:53:01 ◼   ► mentality from like we're breaking new

00:53:02 ◼   ► ground in computing and we're moving on

00:53:04 ◼   ► from this pc world to instead we're

00:53:07 ◼   ► keeping the same you know the same ideas

00:53:09 ◼   ► of the pc world we're just kind of

00:53:11 ◼   ► making it look different

00:53:12 ◼   ► and there was a great uh that great

00:53:14 ◼   ► image of a laptop versus a surface where

00:53:17 ◼   ► you know the laptop has the-the-the

00:53:19 ◼   ► thick bottom and the thin screen versus

00:53:21 ◼   ► the surface with the thick screen and

00:53:23 ◼   ► the thin bottom for the the keyboard and

00:53:25 ◼   ► so that's what I kind of had a problem

00:53:26 ◼   ► with but i will say since I just a few

00:53:30 ◼   ► days ago I I happen to be an apple store

00:53:33 ◼   ► and I were a randomly decided to pick up

00:53:35 ◼   ► one of those logitech keyboard case

00:53:37 ◼   ► things for the ipad right that that

00:53:39 ◼   ► thing is great it's amazing i can type

00:53:42 ◼   ► just as well on that as I can on my

00:53:45 ◼   ► computer and I I i fully plan to the

00:53:47 ◼   ► next trip i'm taking taking a trip trip

00:53:49 ◼   ► in a few weeks just for a few days not

00:53:51 ◼   ► bring a laptop at all just gonna bring

00:53:52 ◼   ► the ipad which I probably would have

00:53:53 ◼   ► done anyway but now I don't have to

00:53:55 ◼   ► worry about a thing i mean i can send

00:53:57 ◼   ► any email and and type at full speed and

00:53:59 ◼   ► I recognize too that you know some

00:54:01 ◼   ► people are great at typing on the ipad

00:54:03 ◼   ► already with the with the the software

00:54:05 ◼   ► keyboard but you know for whatever

00:54:08 ◼   ► reason I was brought up in the world

00:54:10 ◼   ► where you learn how to type on a

00:54:11 ◼   ► keyboard and I'm significantly faster

00:54:12 ◼   ► doing it that way and so you know people

00:54:15 ◼   ► like me are are are going to be feel a

00:54:17 ◼   ► little bit more comfortable for the time

00:54:18 ◼   ► being at least using that keyboard and

00:54:20 ◼   ► so I'm a big fan of this logitech thing

00:54:22 ◼   ► and so the Microsoft Surface the cover

00:54:26 ◼   ► is starting to make quite a bit more

00:54:28 ◼   ► sense to me

00:54:29 ◼   ► right but I don't think though it's

00:54:30 ◼   ► exclusive to them i mean III just think

00:54:33 ◼   ► that the number of you know when and if

00:54:36 ◼   ► it turns out to be a good idea i mean

00:54:37 ◼   ► Apple just put a key boarded in the next

00:54:39 ◼   ► smart color

00:54:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah I you know and have it be like

00:54:42 ◼   ► Bluetooth or something like that right

00:54:44 ◼   ► there is something clever about the way

00:54:46 ◼   ► that they're drawing power over their

00:54:47 ◼   ► magnetic connection

00:54:49 ◼   ► yeah right because this logitech one

00:54:51 ◼   ► that I have has a is battery-powered

00:54:54 ◼   ► around and you have to recharge it up

00:54:58 ◼   ► and it is Bluetooth and it works with

00:55:00 ◼   ► the magnets though it does

00:55:02 ◼   ► oddly enough you know they say it works

00:55:03 ◼   ► fine with the 4gs because the art sorry

00:55:05 ◼   ► bill with it with the new iPad because

00:55:07 ◼   ► the new ipad is slightly thicker than

00:55:10 ◼   ► the the previous ipad i've attached to

00:55:13 ◼   ► both there's that you can definitely

00:55:14 ◼   ► tell that it's definitely more tuned for

00:55:16 ◼   ► the the last generation ipad 2 rather

00:55:19 ◼   ► than

00:55:19 ◼   ► because it's the magnet slightly slip a

00:55:22 ◼   ► little bit it's kind of weird thing but

00:55:23 ◼   ► yes so the the powering thing for the

00:55:27 ◼   ► surface keyboard is definitely an

00:55:29 ◼   ► interesting opponent and they also have

00:55:30 ◼   ► as much as a keyboard Dave Dave touch

00:55:32 ◼   ► elements to right where you can you have

00:55:34 ◼   ► like all a trackpad like thing right now

00:55:38 ◼   ► so you can use your mouse cursor that's

00:55:42 ◼   ► ridiculous pic microsoft I don't know

00:55:47 ◼   ► it's gonna be interesting with the rest

00:55:49 ◼   ► of the year is going to be fascinating

00:55:51 ◼   ► yeah i'd also someone before we get off

00:55:53 ◼   ► the subject i saw that the stories about

00:55:55 ◼   ► the the new kindle fires that are at

00:55:58 ◼   ► apparently imminent that there's five or

00:56:01 ◼   ► six sk use yeah i saw III my sense of

00:56:05 ◼   ► that is that they'll have two different

00:56:07 ◼   ► sizes so i had actually you know like a

00:56:09 ◼   ► year it was a little over a year ago

00:56:10 ◼   ► that i got my hands

00:56:12 ◼   ► ugly enough on a prototype of the kindle

00:56:14 ◼   ► fire before it was even named or

00:56:15 ◼   ► anything like that right i remember that

00:56:17 ◼   ► i remember in and it was my last my last

00:56:20 ◼   ► great scoop i was still at TechCrunch

00:56:21 ◼   ► and so I you know I talk to someone who

00:56:25 ◼   ► is telling me basically the entire you

00:56:27 ◼   ► know

00:56:27 ◼   ► product pipeline and everything and they

00:56:29 ◼   ► already had in the lab at that point a

00:56:31 ◼   ► 10 inch version there were there were

00:56:33 ◼   ► issues they were having with it and that

00:56:35 ◼   ► they were going to delay it and I think

00:56:36 ◼   ► they also just wanted to see how the

00:56:38 ◼   ► kindle fire itself as the 7 inch version

00:56:40 ◼   ► would sell and so the plan was to

00:56:42 ◼   ► release it in q1 or q2 of this year

00:56:45 ◼   ► which obviously came in wins and they

00:56:46 ◼   ► didn't do it i think that they saw the

00:56:48 ◼   ► kindle fire had some issues it wasn't

00:56:50 ◼   ► getting great reviews and who knows they

00:56:52 ◼   ► may have had component problems as well

00:56:53 ◼   ► but so the tenant has always been in the

00:56:55 ◼   ► pipeline

00:56:56 ◼   ► I think with these multiple sku that

00:56:58 ◼   ► they're talking about now I think the

00:57:00 ◼   ► plan is still to do a seven inch and a

00:57:02 ◼   ► 10 inch and they would just have

00:57:03 ◼   ► different varieties of them like they

00:57:05 ◼   ► would have one with more memory in it is

00:57:08 ◼   ► my sense of what they're going to do

00:57:09 ◼   ► with that right because the other thing

00:57:10 ◼   ► I thought mean I'm people with my I saw

00:57:12 ◼   ► a lot of speculation that meant that

00:57:13 ◼   ► they're going to come out in a whole

00:57:14 ◼   ► bunch of different size right but I

00:57:16 ◼   ► don't like I would expect two sizes

00:57:18 ◼   ► maybe even only maybe still even only

00:57:19 ◼   ► one size

00:57:20 ◼   ► yeah cuz you gotta remember like the

00:57:22 ◼   ► ipad 2 had 18 different sk use because

00:57:26 ◼   ► it had yeah all the different carriers

00:57:28 ◼   ► black-and-white three sizes

00:57:30 ◼   ► ah Wi-Fi only

00:57:33 ◼   ► verizon compatible AT&T compatible and

00:57:35 ◼   ► and the ipad 3 still has a I think 12

00:57:40 ◼   ► yeah it's you don't have to get a

00:57:42 ◼   ► different I don't know but there's a

00:57:44 ◼   ► good counting excuse doesn't doesn't

00:57:46 ◼   ► imply counting different sizes

00:57:48 ◼   ► it would be easy to have six different

00:57:49 ◼   ► sk use and just have to be you know

00:57:52 ◼   ► color and storage

00:57:55 ◼   ► yeah right and you know dark that I

00:57:58 ◼   ► doubt amazon which still very much

00:58:00 ◼   ► trying to figure out this market comes

00:58:01 ◼   ► out with us a 5 inches 6 inches set

00:58:04 ◼   ► right it seems a little bit of overkill

00:58:07 ◼   ► yeah well let me I was going to take a

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01:00:34 ◼   ► need a sodastream so you can / carbonate

01:00:36 ◼   ► your own water and really it there is no

01:00:41 ◼   ► step three you can coffee more uh OMG i

01:00:46 ◼   ► do i almost called you Marco

01:00:49 ◼   ► that would have been better been cool

01:00:51 ◼   ► flattered i never make my own now oddly

01:00:56 ◼   ► enough I don't know why I just never got

01:00:59 ◼   ► into that I feel like I've just never

01:01:01 ◼   ► had a good coffee maker and that's why I

01:01:03 ◼   ► don't do it i should get into that

01:01:05 ◼   ► because that you know God knows how much

01:01:06 ◼   ► money I waste at coffee shops on a daily

01:01:09 ◼   ► basis

01:01:10 ◼   ► I'm also a little weird though because I

01:01:12 ◼   ► don't really like hot coffee

01:01:14 ◼   ► I only like iced coffee and so you know

01:01:18 ◼   ► there's a little bit more of a process

01:01:19 ◼   ► in involved in doing that I mean you can

01:01:21 ◼   ► make it a night and put it in the fridge

01:01:22 ◼   ► and stuff like that which does seem more

01:01:24 ◼   ► but it does it takes planning and i

01:01:26 ◼   ► don't know i don't have yeah i actually

01:01:28 ◼   ► just I actually on that the talks

01:01:30 ◼   ► website they had a a a blog post about

01:01:33 ◼   ► making iced coffee

01:01:34 ◼   ► I really have to check that out that

01:01:36 ◼   ► could be interesting to but the big

01:01:38 ◼   ► problem for me is that it it's still you

01:01:39 ◼   ► can't just do it and have coffee 10

01:01:41 ◼   ► minutes later right mix work and not you

01:01:43 ◼   ► know for me it's it's way too i need the

01:01:47 ◼   ► instant gratification

01:01:49 ◼   ► yeah like all the sudden I need coffee

01:01:50 ◼   ► and and and i need a really really quick

01:01:54 ◼   ► it's awesome that you're getting coffee

01:01:56 ◼   ► sponsorships on the show you you're

01:01:58 ◼   ► moving up in the world here

01:01:59 ◼   ► good i can I do that I have to hear

01:02:01 ◼   ► about that right i mean i love have

01:02:03 ◼   ► sponsorships from apps i mean if you've

01:02:04 ◼   ► got a nap and you want to promote it get

01:02:06 ◼   ► attention and i would love you know

01:02:08 ◼   ► you're always it's obviously going to be

01:02:09 ◼   ► a huge source of sponsorship on a show

01:02:12 ◼   ► that you know that I'm hosting but yeah

01:02:13 ◼   ► I love the idea of of everything from

01:02:16 ◼   ► coffee suppliers to that you know the

01:02:22 ◼   ► the studio need guys with the little

01:02:24 ◼   ► love

01:02:24 ◼   ► cliff and the stylus and stuff like that

01:02:27 ◼   ► sponsoring the show to ya scrape so

01:02:30 ◼   ► mountain line so my online

01:02:33 ◼   ► yes it's coming out we can talk about

01:02:36 ◼   ► this under under embargo which is

01:02:38 ◼   ► certainly don't think I've ever tried to

01:02:39 ◼   ► do this I haven't bothered about

01:02:41 ◼   ► something done before it's legal but it

01:02:44 ◼   ► will be legal tomorrow to write it would

01:02:46 ◼   ► be you would be not eating well would it

01:02:49 ◼   ► would be against the embargo for us to

01:02:51 ◼   ► release this recording now and it would

01:02:52 ◼   ► be it'll be okay to record it in advance

01:02:54 ◼   ► and release it when it's not

01:02:56 ◼   ► yes says many people do and what you

01:03:00 ◼   ► know and not mine itself is sort of

01:03:02 ◼   ► interesting because while it shocked the

01:03:05 ◼   ► world it really did like no one had any

01:03:06 ◼   ► idea that it was coming it was a big

01:03:08 ◼   ► surprises first legitimate surprised

01:03:10 ◼   ► that no one had any inkling of that i

01:03:12 ◼   ► can remember in a long time when they

01:03:14 ◼   ► did it earlier this year and but now

01:03:18 ◼   ► it's been out in Developer Preview for a

01:03:19 ◼   ► while and because of all those uh

01:03:21 ◼   ► there's many sites out there

01:03:23 ◼   ► whoo-hoo-hoo get these these great tip

01:03:26 ◼   ► these great anonymous developer tipsters

01:03:29 ◼   ► who are willing to break their their

01:03:31 ◼   ► NDA's to you know leak this information

01:03:33 ◼   ► you know it sounds suspiciously like

01:03:35 ◼   ► some of these hipsters are actual

01:03:37 ◼   ► writers for some of these sites who are

01:03:38 ◼   ► breaking their own NDA's but we cannot

01:03:40 ◼   ► we cannot be sure of this but so

01:03:43 ◼   ► regardless of how it happens there's

01:03:45 ◼   ► just a lot of the infos already out

01:03:46 ◼   ► there so it's kind of it's always

01:03:47 ◼   ► fascinating to write a review after most

01:03:50 ◼   ► everyone knows who really cares about it

01:03:53 ◼   ► knows what what's coming you know right

01:03:56 ◼   ► and I think feature wise i mean Apple

01:03:58 ◼   ► has done the run through twice now I

01:04:01 ◼   ► mean you did it in February not publicly

01:04:03 ◼   ► mean that they you know they they

01:04:04 ◼   ► unveiled the website and listed the top

01:04:06 ◼   ► features and then they did the like a

01:04:09 ◼   ► whole third of the WWDC keynote was

01:04:11 ◼   ► devoted to mountain

01:04:12 ◼   ► and yah and as always i think that they

01:04:16 ◼   ► do a very good job of highlighting the

01:04:18 ◼   ► features that are the most universally

01:04:20 ◼   ► applicable right so just in terms of a

01:04:24 ◼   ► rundown and features i don't really have

01:04:26 ◼   ► that much to add

01:04:27 ◼   ► yeah i mean so i've been using it i've

01:04:31 ◼   ► been using the Developer Preview since

01:04:32 ◼   ► that initial developer preview and have

01:04:35 ◼   ► kinda you know I've had it I had it

01:04:36 ◼   ► first on just one machine and now I'm

01:04:39 ◼   ► actually running it on my on my main

01:04:42 ◼   ► imac and I'm running it on the retina

01:04:46 ◼   ► macbook pro that I have as well as a

01:04:48 ◼   ► macbook air and so it's you know I found

01:04:52 ◼   ► it to be by far stable enough at this

01:04:54 ◼   ► point obviously the gold master is out

01:04:56 ◼   ► and it will be out tomorrow in its full

01:04:58 ◼   ► form and it's great i mean on my is

01:05:02 ◼   ► sample specifically you know are there

01:05:04 ◼   ► any performance things you're talking

01:05:06 ◼   ► about because you know normally when a

01:05:07 ◼   ► new always comes out that's what people

01:05:08 ◼   ► talk about you know is their performance

01:05:10 ◼   ► gain or anything even with snow leopards

01:05:12 ◼   ► from leopard they talked about how it's

01:05:14 ◼   ► it's been kind of tailored and whittled

01:05:17 ◼   ► down to just it's it's essentials and

01:05:19 ◼   ► they made it much smaller but there

01:05:20 ◼   ► really is nothing like that i guess that

01:05:22 ◼   ► there the day at least want to say with

01:05:23 ◼   ► mountain lion though i have seen at

01:05:25 ◼   ► least on my three-year-old iMac which is

01:05:27 ◼   ► nearing the end of its life in that its

01:05:30 ◼   ► nearing the end of how much I'm willing

01:05:31 ◼   ► to put up with compared to how slow it

01:05:33 ◼   ► is compared to my other computers

01:05:35 ◼   ► it does seem to make it faster I don't

01:05:37 ◼   ► know what the reason for that is but it

01:05:38 ◼   ► definitely starts up faster i noticed

01:05:40 ◼   ► because I i've been using it non-stop

01:05:42 ◼   ► since the initial developer preview in

01:05:44 ◼   ► February on my 11-inch macbook air

01:05:48 ◼   ► ah yep and i have noticed especially the

01:05:51 ◼   ► last few bills especially since WWDC i

01:05:55 ◼   ► have noticed that waking from sleep is a

01:05:57 ◼   ► lot faster

01:05:58 ◼   ► yes yeah I've noticed that as well and I

01:06:01 ◼   ► asked them I i did ask Apple about that

01:06:04 ◼   ► because I didn't see them mention that

01:06:06 ◼   ► anywhere but i wanted to make sure that

01:06:07 ◼   ► i hadn't liked placebo affected my self

01:06:10 ◼   ► and convince you know I mean like

01:06:12 ◼   ► convince myself that it was no I think

01:06:13 ◼   ► some sleep faster and then the truth is

01:06:15 ◼   ► no we didn't touch that but they said no

01:06:16 ◼   ► they actually put a huge amount of

01:06:19 ◼   ► effort was actually well really big

01:06:21 ◼   ► engineering thing to to improve wake

01:06:24 ◼   ► from sleep times everything related to

01:06:26 ◼   ► yep well and they're doing one of the

01:06:29 ◼   ► new big features is that power nap thing

01:06:31 ◼   ► which i haven't actually tried yet so

01:06:32 ◼   ► it's a weird thing too because it only

01:06:34 ◼   ► works it doesn't work for example on on

01:06:37 ◼   ► my old imac it only works on uh i

01:06:41 ◼   ► believe the newer macbook airs and the

01:06:43 ◼   ► the retina macbook pro right I don't

01:06:45 ◼   ► even think it works on my macbook eric

01:06:47 ◼   ► is my macbook air is two years old yeah

01:06:49 ◼   ► I don't think it does either

01:06:50 ◼   ► I think it's only the newest versions

01:06:52 ◼   ► yeah starting well I I don't even I

01:06:54 ◼   ► don't think it's just the newest

01:06:56 ◼   ► versions that just came out and at WWDC

01:06:59 ◼   ► I think you're right it the one before

01:07:01 ◼   ► that

01:07:01 ◼   ► yeah the one where the 11-inch air got

01:07:04 ◼   ► the light up keyboard

01:07:06 ◼   ► yeah that's right yeah yep i have the

01:07:09 ◼   ► note is about that it's mid-2011 macbook

01:07:11 ◼   ► air yet numeric retina macbook pros and

01:07:14 ◼   ► none of the imax so right yeah

01:07:16 ◼   ► yep right but that's why i was unsure

01:07:18 ◼   ► whether i was seeing things by thinking

01:07:20 ◼   ► that Maya doesn't qualify for power nap

01:07:23 ◼   ► macbook air seems to be waking from

01:07:25 ◼   ► sleep even snappier like even getting

01:07:28 ◼   ► ever ever closer to the ideal of the iOS

01:07:31 ◼   ► instant wake from sleep

01:07:33 ◼   ► yep yep that's interesting

01:07:36 ◼   ► one of one of the features that I've

01:07:39 ◼   ► actually use quite a bit and has been

01:07:40 ◼   ► extremely helpful has been the airplane

01:07:42 ◼   ► mirroring uh of the the mac itself to an

01:07:45 ◼   ► apple TV

01:07:45 ◼   ► this came up the other day we are trying

01:07:47 ◼   ► to watch wimbledon and my girlfriend I'd

01:07:50 ◼   ► actually don't have cable and so we were

01:07:52 ◼   ► unable to watch it in a traditional

01:07:55 ◼   ► sense but it was streaming on espn3 i

01:07:59 ◼   ► believe and previously and it wasn't on

01:08:02 ◼   ► the the watch ESPN app on the iPad or or

01:08:05 ◼   ► iphone so you can do it that way but I

01:08:07 ◼   ► could watch it on a browser and just

01:08:09 ◼   ► stream my entire computer right right to

01:08:12 ◼   ► the apple TV and that was awesome

01:08:14 ◼   ► yeah now I yep

01:08:17 ◼   ► well I the other thing I've been doing a

01:08:19 ◼   ► big picture wise is that I i think it's

01:08:24 ◼   ► been a total success for Apple to get

01:08:26 ◼   ► away from these monolithic extravaganza

01:08:31 ◼   ► and OS updates and sort of focus on ones

01:08:36 ◼   ► that are maybe not as exciting but your

01:08:38 ◼   ► over a year are adding features and I

01:08:42 ◼   ► feel like by by by shooting for smaller

01:08:46 ◼   ► less extravaganza updates

01:08:49 ◼   ► ah it'sit's just it just seems like it's

01:08:53 ◼   ► a win for everybody i think it's easier

01:08:54 ◼   ► on their engineering I think it's easier

01:08:57 ◼   ► to hit the ship dates and I think it's a

01:09:00 ◼   ► lot less eye for users who are updating

01:09:05 ◼   ► to each new version as they come along

01:09:06 ◼   ► there's a lot fewer chances for them to

01:09:11 ◼   ► to feel like wow this is too much all

01:09:14 ◼   ► yeah right there's no there's basically

01:09:15 ◼   ► no learning curve from mountain from

01:09:18 ◼   ► Lyon to mount line there's new

01:09:20 ◼   ► notification center which is awesome

01:09:22 ◼   ► it's probably my favorite feature of it

01:09:23 ◼   ► but you know even that feels natural

01:09:25 ◼   ► especially if you've used iOS devices

01:09:27 ◼   ► before you know they've done a good job

01:09:29 ◼   ► I think making the making it's very very

01:09:33 ◼   ► easy transition and it's great the fact

01:09:36 ◼   ► that you can upload update from Snow

01:09:38 ◼   ► Leopard right to mountain lion as well

01:09:40 ◼   ► so if you happen to skip line for

01:09:41 ◼   ► whatever reason now you can pay $19

01:09:44 ◼   ► instead of was it before was a 29 for

01:09:46 ◼   ► lion when I can ya so now you can pay

01:09:49 ◼   ► even less and get upgraded to the newer

01:09:50 ◼   ► version i do think like what you're

01:09:52 ◼   ► talking about you know kind of the focus

01:09:53 ◼   ► on the smaller updates and everything I

01:09:56 ◼   ► totally agree with that but i think you

01:09:58 ◼   ► know there's a potential for some small

01:10:01 ◼   ► backlash just because of the fact that

01:10:02 ◼   ► Windows 8 is coming out this fall and

01:10:05 ◼   ► you know they'll say you know that you

01:10:07 ◼   ► know you'll see stories that a Windows 8

01:10:09 ◼   ► is a major upgrade whereas you know

01:10:11 ◼   ► Apple has only been you know kind of

01:10:13 ◼   ► tinkering small with small little things

01:10:15 ◼   ► here and there right

01:10:16 ◼   ► you know Microsoft has been really

01:10:18 ◼   ► focusing on going after their core

01:10:21 ◼   ► audience and and improving things for

01:10:23 ◼   ► them

01:10:23 ◼   ► yeah i'll know there's you know the the

01:10:25 ◼   ► i could probably right

01:10:27 ◼   ► hey Zeus Diaz piece for getting that

01:10:30 ◼   ► right here you know that up now but it

01:10:34 ◼   ► is to me it is a super just super sharp

01:10:38 ◼   ► contrast with Microsoft and Apple in

01:10:40 ◼   ► multiple ways we're on the one front

01:10:44 ◼   ► windows 8 is a radical interface change

01:10:48 ◼   ► yep I mean it's easily i mean really no

01:10:50 ◼   ► hyperbole involved the biggest interface

01:10:52 ◼   ► change from one version to the next in

01:10:55 ◼   ► in Windows history

01:10:57 ◼   ► yep uh and you know mountain lion is

01:11:02 ◼   ► absolutely the opposite of that I think

01:11:04 ◼   ► you know most users if you set them down

01:11:07 ◼   ► in front of line or mountain lion would

01:11:08 ◼   ► have to poke around a bit before they

01:11:10 ◼   ► figure out which is which

01:11:11 ◼   ► my stay at a glance easiest way is

01:11:13 ◼   ► probably just look for notification

01:11:15 ◼   ► center up in the upper right-hand corner

01:11:17 ◼   ► Notification Center and the slightly

01:11:19 ◼   ► white tray for the that the absent on

01:11:23 ◼   ► male oh yeah for the dog that glass doc

01:11:26 ◼   ► is that is slightly more

01:11:28 ◼   ► ah so you know it is a refinement I mean

01:11:31 ◼   ► there's definitely I think it's a good

01:11:33 ◼   ► question what do you get for your $19 or

01:11:35 ◼   ► your 20 bucks huh yeah i think there's

01:11:37 ◼   ► definitely there but it certainly is a

01:11:39 ◼   ► lot less than than windows 8 and on the

01:11:43 ◼   ► other side it's also in sharp contrast

01:11:45 ◼   ► to microsoft microsoft has gone with

01:11:48 ◼   ► this I what your mg so i'll go with that

01:11:51 ◼   ► I'll go with the Lord of the Rings

01:11:52 ◼   ► analogy this 10 s22 rules all right I 10

01:11:57 ◼   ► s that is meant for everything from

01:11:59 ◼   ► phones to desktop computers and apple is

01:12:04 ◼   ► very clearly in adamantly sticking to

01:12:06 ◼   ► this we've got shared technologies like

01:12:10 ◼   ► iCloud and you know the names of these

01:12:13 ◼   ► apps and and there's certainly some

01:12:17 ◼   ► similarities that they're you know the

01:12:18 ◼   ► whole back to the mac thing but it is

01:12:21 ◼   ► two different os's one geared for touch

01:12:24 ◼   ► devices and one geared for keyboard and

01:12:28 ◼   ► pointer devices

01:12:29 ◼   ► yes I also but I feel like I totally

01:12:33 ◼   ► agree with that again but i think you

01:12:36 ◼   ► know with things like notes and were and

01:12:38 ◼   ► reminders now you know those are

01:12:40 ◼   ► straight-up ports to a new screen size

01:12:45 ◼   ► basically right arm and in a new way of

01:12:47 ◼   ► interaction with mouse but it does feel

01:12:50 ◼   ► like you know if they do two more

01:12:52 ◼   ► iterations let's save OS 10 or you know

01:12:54 ◼   ► if they sit k-state always tended OS 11

01:12:57 ◼   ► who knows but if they do two more

01:12:59 ◼   ► iterations of OS 10 I feel like we're

01:13:01 ◼   ► going to get a lot of of kinda overlap

01:13:04 ◼   ► between the two of us

01:13:05 ◼   ► and it just becomes that the mac is now

01:13:08 ◼   ► like the you know the kind of the

01:13:11 ◼   ► version of all your apps that you're

01:13:14 ◼   ► used to that that are just being used on

01:13:16 ◼   ► a bigger device that doesn't sell as

01:13:18 ◼   ► well as an iOS device that remark yeah

01:13:21 ◼   ► and that that's a that's interesting

01:13:24 ◼   ► thing I think you know at first

01:13:26 ◼   ► uh I you know I think a lot of people

01:13:28 ◼   ► are skeptical is bringing some of these

01:13:30 ◼   ► iOS ideas and applications to the mac

01:13:34 ◼   ► environment but now it's starting to

01:13:36 ◼   ► make a lot of sense to people i think

01:13:37 ◼   ► and that kind of leads into what i think

01:13:39 ◼   ► will be the most by far controversial

01:13:41 ◼   ► feature of a mountain lion which is the

01:13:44 ◼   ► gatekeeper stuff because I've already

01:13:46 ◼   ► run into a couple issues where I've

01:13:48 ◼   ► tried to download a application over the

01:13:51 ◼   ► web and I just had the default setting

01:13:54 ◼   ► on when i install the mountain lion and

01:13:56 ◼   ► so I could do it I had to go into my

01:13:57 ◼   ► settings and switch it so that because

01:14:00 ◼   ► no one right now Apple isn't a certified