10: The Next Big Thing, with MG Siegler
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it seems nuts though you're saying that
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there's hotels that that have Wi-Fi
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access that you can't do on microphone i
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got an iphone right because the pop-up
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out there that want you still to watch
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some kind of you know either add or
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pop-up and the iphone doesn't doesn't
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like that too much and then not to
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mention all the ones that are not just
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tailored at all for a mobile experience
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and so you know it's either a
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combination of of quick zooming so you
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can get it and hit a button before it
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seems back out because it's just
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completely not tailored I saw the i saw
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one where you you had to go through how
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to click to it terms and agreements
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thing in a webview and I don't know how
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they programmed it but it was a tiny
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tiny little button and why don't know
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how they did it but everytime you pinch
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zoom down the iphone it would instantly
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go back out to the full-size yeah yeah
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I've seen the affectionate it's an
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unsuitable webpage and so it leaves you
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like the the tiniest touch target in the
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history of times like this one pixel on
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the ipad 2 3
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if you have to get your touch centered
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on it was crazy
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yeah you really would need sandpaper to
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whittle down your fingers at that point
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so we were recording today is a tuesday
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july 24 but we're not releasing the show
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until tomorrow and that will be after
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the mountain lion embargo so we will
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talk we can talk now online
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yes we can I because everybody we're all
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signed up on the NDA and and everything
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like that but before we get to that I
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was thinking we should talk about
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Marissa Mayer is a mayor Meyer and it's
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uh it's Meyer might even though it's
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spelled like mayor right so i have never
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guessed one of those things where I
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don't think I've ever talked about on
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the show and if i don't talk about
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somebody I don't really know how to
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pronounce your name so it end job i
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think i mean i think this is a good move
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for yahoo i really i don't see how they
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could possibly have gotten a better a
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better CEO yeah it was totally out of
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left field i mean it makes sense in
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hindsight but no one was really thinking
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that and i'm not sure exactly why but I
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mean no one was
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there's no rumor there was no whisper
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about it you know nothing thinking that
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this was a possibility i guess it's just
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because yahoo has had such a string of
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kind of either boring hires or like you
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know kinda obvious things and and there
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was reports that the ross levinsohn guy
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who's the guy who was interim CEO was
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just going to get the job and they were
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kind of going through the motions you
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know that are viewing a few that's what
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i expected to I did you read I think
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Steven leavey had a good post i think
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was yesterday for Wired talking about
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Marissa Mayer's role at Google where you
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know obviously she was there for a long
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time in her role evolved over the time
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she was in charge search and then most
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recently she was in charge of kind of
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local stuff but she also started and ran
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the program called a p.m. which is like
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associate product manager I think no I
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didn't I didn't see this
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so basically she was running what is
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effectively inside Google leader a
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leadership training program and they had
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a few hundred people go throughout go
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through this under her through you know
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the decade or so that she was running it
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and these people include like Brett
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Taylor who's the guy who eventually
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would go on to become CTO facebook they
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have a guy who's in charge of of chrome
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not son dar try another guy who's just
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under him who's a kind of spearheading
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that program and he's the one who
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actually took over the APM project but
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anyway the long story short is that
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Steven Levy writes this
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pretty good post suggesting that marissa
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meyer is even more uh better equipped to
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this Yahoo CEO job because she really
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trained the cream of the crop at Google
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and now has these great relationships
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they have all stated touch their
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supposedly all very close they would go
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on these long trips together in him and
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for one of them leaving was embedded you
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know odd somewhere in in Africa I think
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or Eastern Europe and they would do
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these once a year and they would all
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form these tight bonds and they stay in
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touch after all these years most of
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those people obviously since left Google
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but now of course mark meyer still has
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those relationships that she could
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potentially bring in if she could even
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bring in you know five or six of those
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people that's that's potentially huge
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right there for you
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who I have I've long had the sense that
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not that she was on the outside google
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but that and and other people have said
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you know that she had like a glass
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ceiling but like she wasn't going there
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was no we're above that google that she
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was going to get to move up to right
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kind of get the sense that she hasn't
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been as influential as she was in the
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yeah it seems like the early days you
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know she was whatever the tenth employee
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or something like that and you know
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everyone is probably doing a lot of work
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back then and and through the time when
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there were a hundred employees and she
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was you know one of the senior people
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and she was in charge of you know
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there's the talk that she was in charge
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of the design aesthetic and all that
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kind of stuff and then is they slowly
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transition from two more than a search
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engine I think her role just kept
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getting diminished and diminished and
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then finally whenever it was a couple
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years ago or something when they move
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her often who knows if they moved her
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off she asked to be moved off she's been
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working on it for so long but moved off
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of search which is of course the bread
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and butter of google still you know it
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seemed from the outside that you know
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they were just decided to go in a
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different direction and it was pretty
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telling that they didn't give her an SVP
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position even though you know her
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seniority you know they had someone else
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running local ok Jeff Huber i believe
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was elevated to SVP of kind of local and
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commerce above her so yeah I think the
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writing was on the wall that she was
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eventually going to leave and it's
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surprising that they didn't elevate her
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to an SVP status but who knows
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yeah you never know what the inside
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politics are but from the outside I
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always thought that that she was of the
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google that i like best
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you know and i think that like it and
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it's also it's the sort of thing like
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with Apple where you just you take some
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of this stuff for granted that it's as
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simple as it is but I think like the
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fact that the google homepage is just a
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search field and two buttons
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yep I you can say well anybody could do
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that but i think that by I can't even
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imagine how many times she had to say no
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to things that other people at Google
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wanted to do on that that homepage
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oh yeah i mean i remember you know every
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since 10 years five years everyone keeps
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just imagine if they had like a giant
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display at behind you know behind Google
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right on google.com you know how many
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tens of millions or hundreds of millions
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of dollars without generating revenue
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every single year but they just didn't
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do it and yeah yeah most accounts that
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was that was her job and her you know
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her insight to not mess up that main
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experience and that's what makes me
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optimistic about her being a good CEO
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for yahoo is that she obviously has that
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ability to say no I mean that's like the
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famous Steve Jobs quote that he's
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prouder of the things they said no to
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the things they actually said yes to
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because that's what that's what keeps
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the company focus
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yeah and i would say along those lines
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you know I've met her a number of times
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I don't know her all that well but you
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know we've counted from here from time
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to time dr. onstage a few times i will
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say that you know my impression of her
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is that she's extremely opinionated
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which i think is great because she has
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you know things that she likes and she
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has her own ideas of what she wants to
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do and she's gonna get them done because
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that's just who she is and that's you
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know all the accounts from people who
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worked under her at Google will say the
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same thing it's just you know she's not
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wishy-washy she doesn't really have any
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understanding of what she's trying to do
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she knows what she wants to do and she
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goes for it and you know that's awesome
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right ideally i think the best type of
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leaders have extremely strong opinions
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loosely held right like another eligible
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right in other words like with--like
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with Tim Cook talking about Steve Jobs
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that guy had the strongest opinions of
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anybody in the world but he might change
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them tomorrow any upright right and
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those people often you know kind of like
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that at the time they make it you know
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upset or whatever in an argument they it
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seems like they always kind of fall back
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on the idea that they love it if someone
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can stand up to them and can actually
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make their case to change their mind
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about it that's like the best thing in
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the world for those people right i mean
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i think all I i often think because I
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mean and and it's just one of those like
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ways that everything comes full circle a
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lot of times is that you know famously
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almost infamously yahoo had the chance
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to acquire google in the early days
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yep and yep and by you know did not
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didn't quite offer enough money in
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never happen but i think it's i think
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it's always been pretty clear that
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Google held up yahoo is a look that's
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they made mistakes that we don't want to
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make yeah yeah and that helped them no
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doubt right on it and we have it's funny
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because I still think of Google is the
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upstart and yahoo is the old guard but
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in you know by now by today's date
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they're actually relatively the same age
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it wasn't yahoo was informed that much
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earlier than google right it just that
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those first few years of yahoo were the
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explosive years of the.com yeah you
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still here though I like you know I
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talked to start ups every once in a
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while who either cut some kind of deal
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with yahoo or do something with them
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where they kind of run a test on their
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homepage and it's still an insane amount
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of crushing traffic that anyone would be
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happy to get and that's why you know
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that's why it's great that someone can
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actually steer that in the right
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direction there's no question that they
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still have a lot of people going there i
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think what is it now it's not the it's
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not the number one most trafficked
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website anymore it might be two maybe
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I don't know what it is but its its way
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up there still right and i think that's
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an opportunity I think that will be the
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first thing that you see it change about
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i think that there and I don't think any
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previous CEO yahoo is really left a
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personal and like wow that that there's
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a new CEO in charge of yahoo look at
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yeah that's definitely true and i don't
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know i think that should be the first
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thing that she does is make some changes
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that yahoo.com is there's a new sheriff
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in town and it's there so if there's
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focus at this company she should put up
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did you see that picture circulating
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around or it's the Obama hope picture
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but it's of versus a face know
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supposedly being split up last around
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Yahoo's campus right now okay I i talked
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to a friend who works at flickr and they
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are definitely some optimism
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I'm excited for that I mean I just I it
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was it randomly i logged onto flickr for
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the first time i did i was so bad that I
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had to reset my yahoo password and even
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remember what it was
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so that's how bad yahoo wasn't in my
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head so i reset my password and login to
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my flickr account and it was expired I
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think it just expired like six months
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ago signed up for it too
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here you know rite aid plan uh so I'm
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excited to see if they can you know
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really not only turn the a brain around
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but all these sub-brands I really would
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like to use flickr for something cool
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again and and I'd like to sign up for my
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program i mean they have tens of
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thousands of pictures just saved
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it's really nice that they actually
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don't delete them you know even if you
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let your pro account expire they only
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let you see a hundred of them but they
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keep them all around just in case so
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that's great yeah there's definitely
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some opportunities there i also think
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yeah what do you think she's going to do
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with the with Microsoft deal in terms of
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obviously being powers or search now
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they handle like some of the front and
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stuff you know they do some different
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things and being does itself with search
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going one of two ways I could see it
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where that gets abandoned in yahoo and
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personal relationships becomes semi
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stories of her leaving you know there
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report that said I you know my mayor
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called Larry Page by phone that day to
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there's no two weeks notice or anything
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she's called by phone but of course
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Larry page's voice issues or whatever so
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maybe he wasn't around who knows you
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know what the deal is with that but it
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seems like there's a little bit of bad
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blood between them but you know who
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think it really that kind of is a is
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it's a pretty major factor in what she
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just looks at the numbers and realize
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that the microsoft deal is too good to
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kind of you know dissolve it's
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interesting that when Microsoft was
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trying to my yahoo few years ago
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remember obviously yahoo pushback
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heavily and they were looking for anyone
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to help them including Google and at one
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point they had that kind of at least it
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you know had a handshake agreement to do
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some sort of similar ever
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tising search deal with google that they
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ended up doing with Microsoft but they
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had to drop it because the government
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officially look into it but they'll all
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indications were that the government was
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going to look into it but there was also
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because yahoo is by far the number two
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search engine at the time to google and
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microsoft was a non-player now Microsoft
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is number two and i don't know you know
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maybe the government would be ok with
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with yahoo and google tying up together
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or maybe they still would
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yeah i don't know i think it's going to
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be interesting to see how that plays out
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and I think in hindsight it will become
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obvious how acrimonious it is that she
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left them you know is it seen inside
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Google as a betrayal or is it you know
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good for her and now we're sort of like
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partners sort of like and a comparison
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that I've seen other people make is to
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Stephen Elop who was a Microsoft di-
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left for nokia and as soon as you got to
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nokia forge this extremely tired boss
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you know that whereas it seems pretty
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obvious and that the nokia diehards the
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people who don't like that they've that
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they don't have their operating system
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anymore see it as you know that this was
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planned from the start that he was like
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a mole in no pariah
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I think I i think i alluded to that when
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it first happened that that is awesome
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that Microsoft gotta plant in in Nokia's
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area and I think that through some
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higher from Frank shot his head
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microsoft corporate communications they
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did not like that too much
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well I mean however much it was planned
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and however much that you know that this
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was it was agreed upon and events it's
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certainly in hindsight is shown know
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that Stephen Elop experience as a
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his leadership in nokia in a very Pro
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microsoft way
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ya mean that's definitely right i mean
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we doesn't really matter whether you
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think that it's good or bad for nokia
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but that certainly is the way it's
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I don't you know I think we'll have to
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see if it's going to happen like that
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with with marissa mayer right there's
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something to be said for you know just
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doing what you know and what you've done
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for the past decade or more and that's
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like you know it's the rest of our
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google runs very thick through her blood
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so you know maybe she does just turn to
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them for certain things that that
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previous yahoo CEOs one
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done another thing that you brought up
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if you know right after it happened
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which was interesting you tweeted about
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did she use an iphone or not and they
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think you know a lot of people kind of
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dug up that you would see like the
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little uh little indications on Twitter
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and stuff that she was tweeting from an
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iphone and using Instagram in the early
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days and stuff like that
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that's interesting because you know it's
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kinda also shows that she wasn't so
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ingrained in the android culture that
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she's going to you know
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bend over backwards to fork make some
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kind of yahoo phone or something that's
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that's that's only working on android it
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seems like that won't happen and that's
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great yeah that you know and it wasn't
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just it wasn't just me trying to view
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everything from what's it mean for Apple
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perspective right by I think I think it
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shows that she has an open mind more
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than anything you know that she wasn't
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just another cog in the google machine
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that just uses android because you have
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to use android there she was willing and
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maybe it's great for from her viewpoint
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of a competitive landscape maybe she
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wanted just to use iphone maybe she
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liked it more maybe she wanted to use it
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because she really felt like she needed
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to stay on top of you know what are the
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big emerging trends out there
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well any other thing that makes it
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interesting now that she's the CEO at
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yahoo's the yahoo I it is quiet but they
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have a bunch of partnerships with Apple
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as it the content provider for the
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yeah and it's even more with I was 6 or
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because I've already talked about kind
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of the the Serie and sports integration
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I think that's yahoo sports yes it is
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its yeah this all the sports stuff in
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ios6 is powered by yahoo sports and
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yahoo sports is actually one of the
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powerhouse properties in yahoo i mean
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everybody is not a huge sports fan it's
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it's sort of quietly everybody thinks of
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things like flickr and the search and
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and yahoo mail and stuff like that but
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Yahoo Sports is it easily top five
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sports site on the web
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maybe oh yeah i think it's too it might
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be to be you know you always hear these
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reports like an ESPN you'll hear in
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sports center where they talk about a
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report from yahoo sports yeah and that
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happens all the time it's a part of it
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is because the huge part of it is
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because they actually invested quite
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in original journalism ya on that side
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of things in the plan I think way back
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when the plan was to kind of start that
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with Yahoo Sports see if it would work
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and then go into other verticals and
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they just never really did that to see
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if they could replace like you know the
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AP Reuters and become like one of the
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you know main sources of wire news and
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whatnot but they did do a great job
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hiring at yahoo sports and it it remains
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a great place for you know breaking
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yeah and i think it's i don't know I I
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would yeah i think it's either number
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one or number two probably after ESPN
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I'm guess yeah I would imagine ESPN's 1
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i'm probably too maybe CBS 4s but i
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think it's i think it's probably yahoo
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sports and it's by far the biggest of
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the online-only properties right like
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you know the ones that are that competes
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with our the TV mostly the TV one's by
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ESPN and CBS Sports is big
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I and probably Sports Illustrated right
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which CNN right now
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yeah that's part of it yeah that's
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that's really interesting they're also
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huge obviously in finance right so they
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have a network that's what powers the
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iOS stocks app is still right yahoo
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financial information so that's another
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big vertical from yahoo news is still
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I think I don't know if I think google
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news may have overtaken it is bigger
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property but it's still you know a major
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driving factor and what people use yahoo
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for rent and I i think that Mobile is
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obviously a huge question going forward
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for yahoo and you know Apple obviously
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has as you know the whole shebang google
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obviously has android microsoft has
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windows phone haha yahoo doesn't really
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have its own or not even I shouldn't
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even say really just doesn't have any
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kind of mobile right they have no in of
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their own right there
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they're completely at the beck and call
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of these other players right and i think
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it was you know I bigger pointless for
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them to start I think that they're there
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play from mobile is I think to be a
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content provider
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yes right they absolutely should and
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there and that's it's working so far for
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you would imagine that it won't work for
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the google flavored android because
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they'll they have their own competing
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services across the board for all that
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stuff for search for sport well not
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really for sports maybe we could do for
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sports but for finance revenues but you
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know maybe sports and you know certainly
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maybe they could do something with
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Microsoft given the big deal for windows
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phone they could
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yeah i think that's that's the way to do
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well any other things that that struck
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me about microsoft is now Microsoft is
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out of MSNBC no yeah right like they got
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out of the TV channel wide while back
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yep but they were they were still
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partners on the on the website and now
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they're not so I I i do think there's
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some opportunities there where they can
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sort of try to play it up cross no not
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just not just Apple but you know
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across-the-board try to get the yahoo
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properties established as the leading
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mobile providers
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yeah that's smart i forget who was I
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don't was a you i don't think it was you
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who said like one simple goal for yahoo
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you know like just talking about that
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right after the hiring talking what
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Yahoo should focus on like just just
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trying to get one app on the main screen
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of like every iOS and Android device out
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there and is it and I think that it's
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good that good strategy i think yeah I
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think that's absolutely edge it's it's a
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clear goal i think it's in I think it's
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yeah yeah and and so google apple also
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has the deals for yahoo mail obviously
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they've had that since the beginning it
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and yeah also sort of interesting
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because it's also I think hotmail is
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bigger which is weird but i think that's
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the biggest one and I think yahoo mail
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is still number two with google quickly
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catching up to it but that's that's
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another property that's huge there's
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yahoo messenger it seems like IM is sort
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of falling by the wayside you know maybe
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they can do some interesting video stuff
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and compete with skype more something
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like that but these are you know things
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that that tens of millions of people use
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every day if not a hundred million
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people it's kind of a crazy thing
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they're scale at that point and I think
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that the and i think the other thing
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they've got to do is they've got to
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start thinking about what's the next big
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absolutely and that that will require
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you know bringing in some some real
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outside thinkers not just the people who
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have obviously been at yahoo for the
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past 10 years and you know it sucks but
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i hope that they do clear house quite a
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bit it seems like there's you know you
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don't want to call him dead weight but
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it seems like there's just a lot of
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people you talk to former and current
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yahoo employees even they just say
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people are just they're collecting a
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paycheck and they're not really inspired
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maybe this hiring inspires fifty percent
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of them but they're still going to be
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fifty percent who are just you know just
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their kind of kicking around there
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they're B players when they need to be a
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player's kind of situation i'd totally
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agree i think they got a clean house
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focus focus focus get a nap on ever get
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try to get one app on everybody's home
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screen and then figure out what the next
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big thing that yahoo can can start the
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market for yeah definitely I like our
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chances i really do i do too i think
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every you know there's there's reason
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why the consensus is that this is a good
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thing you know there's a few naysayers
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who say like I'll she didn't get along
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with anyone that you at Google but
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there's always going to be stories of
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you know you and you can report any
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story that you want you can always find
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someone to say that but i think that the
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general consensus you know ninety
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percent of the people are saying that
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this is a good thing i think it actually
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is a good thing and you never have seen
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this before at least in recent memory of
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yahoo even when jerry yang came back
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right uh it was you know is like a case
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they're gonna try and do like it Steve
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Jobs rejuvenation type thing but is this
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really going to work and of course it
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didn't work at all right on it certainly
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success is definitely not insured but i
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think it's amps it's definitely a
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possibility the opportunity is there
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I also think too that anybody who who
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says know a lot is obviously going to
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make enemies
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I mean maybe enemies the wrong word but
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they're going to have people say which I
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do I didn't like working under her
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because she said no to all this stuff
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alright yeah alright let me take a break
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and let me thank our first sponsor i
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that first time I noticed them they have
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a product called the glyph glif
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it's a tripod mountain stand for the
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iphone 4 and 4s and it's a brilliant
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little design because it's multi-use
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it's one little piece of plastic and
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rubber with a little um tripod mount on
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one side so you snapped on the side of
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your iphone and it fits on any standard
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tripod if you're using it to shoot video
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works great in conjunction with
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something like a gorillapod little
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flexible tripod that you can mount on
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just about anything and you take the
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glove off turn it sideways and it turns
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into a little love prop up your iphone
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like as an easel type thing I use it all
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the time for that you watch i watch
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baseball games on my iphone use the
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glyph to prop it up
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I they've got another great little
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product called the cosmonaut it's a wide
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grip style is sort of like this sort of
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like a fat magic marker stylist for any
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touchscreen first thing I think anybody
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thinks when they see is why is it so fat
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white white why isn't a finer tip
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because the touchscreens we have aren't
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meant for fine tip styluses they're
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meant for something the size of a finger
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so the cosmonaut has like a finger-sized
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stylus tip works great use it all the
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my son loves it free using apps on the
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iPad like color and they also have but
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also they have they have a app its frame
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agra fur it's a stop motion timelapse
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moviemaking app so if you make make
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little movies like with Lego figures or
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something like that stop motion
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obviously works great in conjunction
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with the glyph just great great products
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from a small design shop just two guys
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making products selling love the stories
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they've got a 20-percent discount for
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everybody listens to the show so you go
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to their website studio neat any 80
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all one word the talk show you get
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from the store studio neat i want to
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thank these guys we wouldn't be doing
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the show without me
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use a stylus with your with your i
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paddle never do you know this this
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cosmonaut thing is sort of interesting
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i've seen it you know out around before
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but it's a hook that kind of like a cran
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yeah one of those big fat cranes yeah
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that's good you know there is that story
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a couple days ago that I forget who
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reported it but that Microsoft is
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looking into you know next-generation
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styluses 442 use with their surface
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devices or went out and you know your
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kind of reminded of that the Steve Jobs
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quote that if you see let's see a
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stylist they blew it but this one is
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good huh what's this guy's butt up
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yeah well it's it's good for it's great
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for what the ipad is in fact 18 when
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they designed it they had a blog post
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about it and they said look if if the
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tip has to be fat and all the other
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stylists do you see for the ipad ones
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that look like more like a regular pet
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pens dimensions
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yep still have like a pinky finger size
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tip at the end because that's what the
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screen sense with the touch sensor is
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optimized for right on so no it's not
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like riding with a fine tip pen and you
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can you can get tiny little handwriting
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it's you know it's like a marker but if
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it's if that's what the tip has to be
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why not give you a big thick marker in
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your hand it's almost like you like
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writing on a on a small white board
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instead of pen and paper huh that's
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ok so like from a practical like given
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the the practical aspects of what the
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ipad screen already it supports as a
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touchscreen it's it's like an optimal
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marker for nice and and and people often
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say to me people often go cuz i quote
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the APCs stylist they blew it i right
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whatwhat jobs men about that though is
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is a device that ships with a stylus and
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in writing requires that right either
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requires it or is intended to be used a
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lot of the time
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not that there's never a case for it i
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mean i think a nap like paper or any of
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the drawing apps for the ipad i
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absolutely work better with a stylus
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them with a finger
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yep yeah and I think that's you know
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what is the Galaxy Note has one right
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there right a giant phablet and it's
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just so ridiculous
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affected that ships with one I think I
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just saw that they're going to do a
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galaxy note 10 now like their content
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yeah they're gonna use that because I
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guess it is a big seller especially in
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in Korea that they're gonna use the note
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brand as well it makes sense i mean it
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I you know someone once I've only seen
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it a couple times but someone's head one
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stage you know you have them hold it up
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to their face just to see how big it is
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it's not that much different than the
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size of the galaxy 7 which is where the
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nexus 7 which is sort of funny
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yeah speaking of which you about two
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weeks ago you know you reviewed the
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nexus 7 over at TechCrunch and you liked
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yes i did i did and I you know I liked
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it a lot more than I expected to you
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know it's kind of I was I was gone
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uh I was abroad when Google i/o happen
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where they had failed it and I was kinda
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i was watching the Twitter chatter and
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and I'd heard a little thing a few
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things here and there about what was
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coming and so it intrigued me because I
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wanted to see what the form factors like
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I mostly wanted to see if google would
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be able to google and their partner aces
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would be able to create a decent even
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tablet for under two hundred dollars
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because we've all seen the kindle fire
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it sucks you know it's it's 200 is under
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two hundred dollars but i am not making
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any money selling it and it still sucks
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so I was very curious to see what if it
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would be any good and so the the initial
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reports coming out seem to suggest that
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was pretty good and so Google was nice
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enough to send me one too to take a look
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at and you know props to them they know
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that I I'm pretty negative towards
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google image in recent years in general
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but they know i think that you know if
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they if they actually make a good
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product i'm gonna call it like I see it
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and say that it's a pretty good product
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and i do believe that this is a pretty
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good product i think that you know it's
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it's a lot of people want to frame and
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of course the ipad it's different right
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now because one is you know a 9.7 inch
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one is a 7-inch tablet and you you hear
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that in your mind and you think oh
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that's not the big difference but
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diagonally speaking the screen size and
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everything it's actually a pretty huge
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difference and that's i love the form
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factor of it and you know as I said in
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I think that this is the strongest case
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yet for why Apple should do something in
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this in this form factor in all
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indications you know seem to be that
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they're going to do something maybe a
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little bit bigger of course but uh I you
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know the main thing is the form factor
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the second thing is that Android a 4.1
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jellybean variety is a is finally to the
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point where it feels smooth enough and
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it's interesting i also have it
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installed on a Galaxy Nexus which is you
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know their last flagship device and i
00:31:33
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definitely liked it more on the nexus 7
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i don't know if you know III this device
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is obviously a little bit faster than
00:31:38
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that but uh for whatever reason i just i
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think it's it's much more nicely attuned
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to do that 7-inch tablet than it is to
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the the 4 inch or whatever size screen
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the the Galaxy Nexus has and maybe
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because there's less scrolling involved
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yeah good because I still feel like I
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still feel like that's the one thing on
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Android that is very jarring is
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scrolling yeah it it's you know they
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made a big point about saying how
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buttery they even call it butter right
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their new accelerated thing it's still
00:32:08
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it's not as smooth as iOS four you know
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whatever reason they can't get that to
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happen but it's you know it's something
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that i think the majority of consumers
00:32:17
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would would would not care about and/or
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notice except subconsciously which I do
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think it's so important I think you know
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when people think about quality there's
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subconscious things going on you know
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when they use the device when they pick
00:32:29
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it up at an apple store and just don't
00:32:30
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even realize like oh this is so much
00:32:32
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smoother it's just kind of a little
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thing but I think for the most part the
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price and the size of this makes it
00:32:38
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compelling to a lot of people and I
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think they're going to have strong sales
00:32:42
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the indications are that they're already
00:32:43
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a failing to meet some demand for it
00:32:46
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it's a very good time and I do think
00:32:48
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that mean they have explicitly pitched
00:32:50
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it as a consumption device
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I mean they're an addy I into their
00:32:54
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credit i actually think that sort of
00:32:56
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focus is why the product is getting I
00:33:00
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haven't I actually haven't seen a bad
00:33:01
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review of the next system
00:33:03
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yeah and I think that that having that
00:33:06
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sort of focus so here's what it's meant
00:33:08
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for it is meant for buying stuff from
00:33:10
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our google play store
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yeah we went to the point where they put
00:33:16
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that stuff on the main screen like they
00:33:17
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have this widget and in jellybean that's
00:33:19
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basically like you can rearrange things
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a bit but they have you know giant
00:33:23
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picture of a magazine you know that
00:33:25
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comes shipped with it's like an Esquire
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or something and then they have a
00:33:28
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Transformers movie box a artwork so you
00:33:34
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have that on there too and then you have
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a couple books that they shipped with it
00:33:36
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they make it front and center very
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obvious that this is about this is about
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media consumption and the google play
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store right and i also think you know
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and i know we for three years now we've
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had these arguments about the ipad is it
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for consumption is it good for creation
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is a general-purpose computer I and as a
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platform it's for anything I mean
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eventually these tablet OS is like
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android and iOS could be used that you
00:34:03
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know that's that's the future of
00:34:04
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computing in general for everything on
00:34:07
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so the argument isn't is the ipad mostly
00:34:12
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used for consumption yes probably it is
00:34:14
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but that you know windows is mostly used
00:34:15
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for consumption most people don't make
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websites most people just reading right
00:34:19
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i mean I stuff my entire the entire
00:34:21
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internet is that way I mean you know
00:34:23
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there's the rule where it's ten percent
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creators and ninety percent you know
00:34:26
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consumers of of the information yeah but
00:34:29
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i do think that that's the argument in
00:34:31
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favor of or a big part of the argument
00:34:34
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and end of Apple jumping into this you
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know smaller tablet market is for people
00:34:39
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who are just look I just want to watch
00:34:42
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some TV shows while I sit in bed with
00:34:44
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something that just comfortably sits on
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my you know I'm propped up in bed
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yeah it's a great form factor I think
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you know going back really quick to the
00:34:52
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two that the media side of things and
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kind of these these devices being set up
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for the google play store you know the
00:34:59
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one of the biggest criticisms I had of
00:35:01
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the Nexus 7 is that while google is
00:35:03
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playing this up as as a device for
00:35:05
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consumption of the google play content
00:35:07
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Google Play content is still not nearly
00:35:10
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where it needs to be in relation to both
00:35:12
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Apple and Amazon I mean they still don't
00:35:15
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have warner music on there so that you
00:35:16
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know don't have a quarter of of the
00:35:18
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music catalog out there in the world are
00:35:20
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on this that you can get on this device
00:35:22
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what do you do with if you have you know
00:35:24
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REM or something or some other Warner
00:35:26
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artist that you really want and you can
00:35:28
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get it you could use of course
00:35:29
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spotifyrdio or one of those but you know
00:35:32
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there's Google is trying to get you to
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use the google play store and they just
00:35:35
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don't have the same amount of content
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same goes with magazine same goes with
00:35:39
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same goes with even-even films they
00:35:41
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don't have everything right and and so
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it's kinda I did I still don't really
00:35:46
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think that Google has the complete
00:35:48
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picture worked out of how this should
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work it's kind of confusing as to why
00:35:52
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they're forcing everyone into this
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mentality that this is for the google
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play store when the google you know the
00:35:58
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play store isn't quite ready for prime
00:36:00
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time yet but i think they saw the the
00:36:02
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Amazon threat of the kindle fire you
00:36:04
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know taking control of Android itself
00:36:07
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for the tablets and they just felt like
00:36:09
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they had to make this move right now
00:36:10
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right and i think it was a very right
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it's very much it really is exactly what
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they said it was there's no hidden
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purpose to it is to have a device to
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support their online media that you know
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the play store
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yeah yeah and and you know while it's
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well it's definitely it's definitely a
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hit on the advice that they don't have
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any 3g you know or wireless capabilities
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whatsoever i also think that that's a
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great move on their part just because
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just because the fact they can show the
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carrier's finally that they have some
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uh you know that they can actually sell
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these things without needing the carrier
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right uh you know to do it and so they
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can finally ship android the new android
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updates and not have to worry about any
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carrier having any say over when these
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wear these rollouts actually come i do
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think the next that brings us back to
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the commercial in the commercial is this
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the dad camping with his son and they're
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using the nexus 7 to do all sorts of
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cool things at night on and the big
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reveal at the end of the commercial is
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that other just can't they're actually
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just camping in the backyard right which
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explains why how they had no internet
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access because it's Wi-Fi on right i
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mean the other explanation would be that
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the dad had my fire or something you
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know it in his bag but that's not going
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to work for a sexy commercial yeah
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that's it's sort of funny the way that
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they did it just kind of nodding to the
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fact that you probably don't want to use
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this thing actually in the
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the woods that you will just want to use
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a close to your house or close to a
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place of work somewhere with Wi-Fi i do
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wonder i wonder if the lack of a of a 3g
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version if they're about to be hit on
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two sides on that front though because
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what if and what if the kindle to Kindle
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Fire 2 has yeah that's a great point
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because I amazon already has those
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relationships right with with the kindle
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itself they had who'd ya at first I
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think they tmobile and then they got
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AT&T to provide for free
00:38:14
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it was baked into the cost of the device
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but you could get updates of your books
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and download books for free without
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having to worry about a monthly bill
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thing right I do wonder how they would
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negotiate that if if it was a general
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consumption device meaning you know you
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could browse the web and download movies
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uh it seems like it would be a little
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little pricey for them to I don't think
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trying to negotiate something without a
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deal right now I don't think and I don't
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think they could possibly do that for
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free i mean nobody they can do it they
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got away with it on the E and candles
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because that's so little data right and
00:38:46
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Emmy of you mean if you ever tried using
00:38:48
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the web browser on one of those things
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minutes you know it's almost it's like a
00:38:52
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parlor trick it's not really
00:38:54
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yeah it's not really feasible it's like
00:38:56
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getting web pages by facts right but
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maybe may I got they would have to I
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imagines do the same kind of deal that
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Apple did with the ipad where you have a
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a come come as you want to take plan
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we're just you know you can pay one
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month and not pay the next imagine they
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have to do that unless unless they did
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some deal with one of the carriers and
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they subsidize the price the kindle fire
00:39:18
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down to free because you signed up for
00:39:21
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ten dollars a month or something like
00:39:22
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that maybe they could do that but it
00:39:24
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still seems like the the bar has been
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set with these tablet devices that
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you're going to pay whatever you pay
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whatever the retail prices and you're
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not going to worry about a monthly bill
00:39:34
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Wright which brings us to apples
00:39:37
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purported ipad mini and whether or not
00:39:39
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it will have 3g I i think it will I
00:39:44
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think it'll have the exact same sku
00:39:46
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configurations is as the big ipad so you
00:39:49
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think it will have 4g as well and also
00:39:51
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LTE know I'd well I don't know I don't
00:39:56
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know about that
00:39:56
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that yeah I i guess that comes down to
00:40:00
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two battery in and yeah that's the
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biggest factor i would imagine for what
00:40:06
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they are decided by maybe because a lot
00:40:08
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of what I've been seeing lately
00:40:09
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speculates that a big a bigger power
00:40:12
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drain on the ipad 3 is the retina
00:40:15
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display not the LT compared to the ipad
00:40:18
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2 that the screen is actually consuming
00:40:20
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a bigger reason why the battery is
00:40:22
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thicker than the LTE that's interesting
00:40:26
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LOL so you have to you have to consider
00:40:28
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the fact that you know were what six
00:40:31
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months removing us from the new ipad and
00:40:33
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so even now they probably have slightly
00:40:36
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better chips in terms of power
00:40:37
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consumption management for LTE can
00:40:40
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yeah I actually now that I think about
00:40:41
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it I think it's gonna be I think it
00:40:43
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probably would if it has 3g at all it
00:40:45
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would have LT and if they do that that's
00:40:49
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that's a killer feature right there
00:40:51
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right we'll have a lot of people are
00:40:52
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going to love that what do you think I
00:40:54
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am I thought on price is 299 I don't
00:40:58
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think they're gonna go to 199 what do
00:40:59
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you think there's I think they'll do 199
00:41:01
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wifi-only but and location and Andy
00:41:05
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usually amount of storage but they'll
00:41:07
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hit that price point and you'll have to
00:41:10
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pay i forget what the what's the premium
00:41:14
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for getting 3g on i think i think it's
00:41:17
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is it is only thirty dollars no it's a
00:41:20
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hundred and thirty dollars right right a
00:41:22
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hundred and thirty dollars that's all i
00:41:24
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said i would think you know 199 get you
00:41:26
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a Wi-Fi only one and 299 get you one
00:41:29
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with 3g like a hundred so how'd it how
00:41:32
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do you reconcile that then you know with
00:41:34
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the there was just a report yesterday
00:41:35
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and you know who knows these are
00:41:36
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one-time reports out of like Japan or
00:41:38
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China or wherever where you know talking
00:41:40
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about a new ipod touch it seems like a
00:41:42
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new ipod touch is coming because they
00:41:43
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haven't refresh your writing over a year
00:41:46
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it's been 22 years basically and if that
00:41:49
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device which now sells for 199 at the
00:41:51
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base level how do you reconcile the
00:41:53
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price discrepancy like those being the
00:41:55
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same price i just i don't think it's a I
00:41:57
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don't think it's a problem I think it's
00:41:58
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clear i think that with devices like
00:42:03
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yep there's that it's a one-way
00:42:07
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correlation smaller is cheaper bigger is
00:42:09
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more expensive because you're the bigger
00:42:11
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displays are more expensive yet but
00:42:14
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laptops only shrink to a certain size
00:42:17
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whereas stuff that fits in your pocket
00:42:19
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you actually pay a premium for
00:42:21
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miniaturization and to me it's exactly
00:42:23
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the same as the the dilemma over the
00:42:27
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original of going back to like 2,000 for
00:42:30
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the ipod mini rights which only had
00:42:34
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wrote about the other day is very is not
00:42:36
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there's not a huge price discrepancy
00:42:38
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even though it had less memory and it
00:42:40
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was just smaller right we're paying
00:42:42
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almost had it had less storage and only
00:42:44
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had four gigabytes of storage which was
00:42:46
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less than the original ipod from three
00:42:49
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years prior so people were like this is
00:42:50
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not no one's gonna buy this and the
00:42:53
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truth is people see wow that's way
00:42:55
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smaller and cooler looking I want that
00:42:58
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yeah I that so that's what I think I
00:43:00
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maybe maybe there's an issue where they
00:43:02
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don't want both of them priced exactly
00:43:04
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199 and they dropped the intro of the
00:43:06
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like the the base model of the ipod
00:43:09
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►
touch to 179
00:43:10
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yeah something like that I but i don't
00:43:14
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think it's an issue because it's two
00:43:15
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entirely different
00:43:17
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i sighs yeah if they include so you know
00:43:22
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presumably a new ipod touch would have a
00:43:25
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Retina display because the old one
00:43:26
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already dice and it would presumably
00:43:29
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also have a better camera if they can be
00:43:30
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you know just as a camera device if it
00:43:32
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is just as good of a camera as the the
00:43:34
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iphone 4s does that's a killer camera
00:43:36
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device for you know kids to buy for 199
00:43:39
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and carry around with them and you know
00:43:41
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on top of everything else it does so I
00:43:43
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agree with you because the ipad mini
00:43:45
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will you no will call that will not be
00:43:48
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considered a camera device except for
00:43:50
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those few jackasses and counselors that
00:43:52
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will hold it as they always do with the
00:43:55
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regular ipad right with that I thought
00:43:57
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of that too is how many people I see
00:43:59
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with how many people I see using the
00:44:01
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iPad as a camera I can't even imagine
00:44:02
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how people are going to use the ipad
00:44:04
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►
mini and they'll just they'll have like
00:44:07
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head-mounted head-mounted displays with
00:44:09
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the with this little device probably two
00:44:11
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of them up there to be able to capture
00:44:13
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►
two different you know like it and it's
00:44:15
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the same thing going back to like stuff
00:44:16
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like Game Boys and and
00:44:18
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►
and you know the playstation portable
00:44:20
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►
and stuff like that like people know
00:44:22
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that the shrink it to fit in a pants
00:44:24
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►
pocket costs a lot of money
00:44:26
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►
yeah like white and white is a PSP a
00:44:28
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►
playstation portable cost as much as a
00:44:31
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►
the whole console right right
00:44:35
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►
I wonder you know they're so there's
00:44:37
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there's battery life as well so the
00:44:38
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Nexus 7 has great battery life part of
00:44:40
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the reason though is that it doesn't
00:44:42
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►
have the wireless uh you know chips in
00:44:44
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it so it's a it's only relying on Wi-Fi
00:44:46
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to be able to do that nor does it have a
00:44:47
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Retina display but we we assume right
00:44:50
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the ipad mini will not have a Retina
00:44:51
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display because you've made the great
00:44:53
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point you know great case for why it
00:44:55
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would if they do it would be cut from
00:44:57
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the same bright display as the three the
00:45:00
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iphone right and I don't know that for a
00:45:02
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fact that's just my own speculation and
00:45:04
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so maybe it would actually be a
00:45:05
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different technology but i still think
00:45:07
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►
though the fact that they have
00:45:08
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experienced massive amounts of
00:45:10
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experience for five years making exactly
00:45:12
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163 pics pixel print screens that it
00:45:16
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it's gotta work out in our favor
00:45:18
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operations was even if it's not
00:45:19
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literally cut from the same sheet says
00:45:21
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that the 3gs but I Isis I would be very
00:45:24
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surprised I wouldn't be surprised at all
00:45:25
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if when we get them and we look at it
00:45:27
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that it looks like you know a quadruple
00:45:30
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size 3gs and that's a that's you know
00:45:33
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that's another differentiating factor
00:45:35
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between what we just talked about the
00:45:36
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differentiating factors between the ipod
00:45:38
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►
touch and the this ipad mini yes also
00:45:41
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have to think obviously the ipad mini
00:45:42
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versus the regular ipad i mean yeah
00:45:45
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absolutely i think that and I know so I
00:45:47
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don't think that I i would expect that
00:45:49
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even if they even after even if it's
00:45:51
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true and apple does release this 7.5
00:45:54
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inch ipad mini at a aggressive price
00:45:57
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point I mean maybe it starts at two
00:45:59
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forty nine instead of young 99 me that
00:46:01
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►
way it's not more than half the price i
00:46:03
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mean i think that's I think 249 is a
00:46:06
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►
very very good bet if you're if you've
00:46:08
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►
got like an office pool on what the ipad
00:46:10
◼
►
mini starting price is going to be 2 49
00:46:11
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►
is committed and maybe even better than
00:46:14
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►
one menu and yeah and it's still I mean
00:46:17
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►
they could easily get away with doing
00:46:18
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►
that in a world of a of a 199 Nexus 7
00:46:21
◼
►
and Kindle Fire because there's so much
00:46:23
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►
more to just value in the ecosystem of
00:46:26
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►
all these apps that are made for the
00:46:27
◼
►
ipad they've all this content that's
00:46:29
◼
►
already out there they have millions of
00:46:31
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►
users that already have
00:46:32
◼
►
have all their apps you know that
00:46:35
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►
they've downloaded and so you know
00:46:36
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you're gonna have tens of millions of
00:46:38
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users right off the bat who buy this
00:46:39
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►
thing yeah even if they do it i don't
00:46:41
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expect that sales of the big ipad the
00:46:44
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regular one with the only one we know
00:46:46
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now i don't think that they'll drop it
00:46:48
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►
all I think they'll continue to grow
00:46:50
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►
I think it's a different i think it's
00:46:51
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expanding into a different market not
00:46:53
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eating into the same market and I wonder
00:46:55
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you know the margin question would be
00:46:58
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fascinating to kind of get into its like
00:47:00
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the there's they're getting down there
00:47:03
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because the ipad is already a lower
00:47:04
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margin device than the iphone right but
00:47:06
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that's a lot to do with subsidies and
00:47:08
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right you know that's that's a huge
00:47:09
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issue there but it's still it's still a
00:47:11
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healthy margin that they're making when
00:47:13
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you get down to if you get down to 249
00:47:15
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and 199 you know how much of a margin is
00:47:18
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►
that going to be can they really make
00:47:20
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these things for a hundred bucks can
00:47:22
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make them for a hundred and thirty bucks
00:47:24
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uh all said and done I i wouldn't be
00:47:28
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surprised especially if they can already
00:47:30
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make an ipod touch for one then you know
00:47:32
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you know and and you know I i think that
00:47:35
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you respect wise you know once the the
00:47:37
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iFixit guys take one apart and once we
00:47:40
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run benchmarks stuff on it you know it's
00:47:43
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not going to be the the latest and
00:47:46
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greatest system-on-a-chip it's not going
00:47:48
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to have the retina display and i think
00:47:50
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it's going to have you know like the the
00:47:52
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equivalent system-on-a-chip is like the
00:47:53
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iphone four maybe I don't know maybe the
00:47:56
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►
for us but the 4 s's are a year old now
00:47:57
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►
so that's cheaper
00:47:59
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yeah ah yeah and I think that's that
00:48:01
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whole Tim Cook angle on Apple is that
00:48:04
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they they reuse these certain core
00:48:07
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technologies in a way that they just
00:48:10
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leverage the hell out of the economies
00:48:12
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of scale right i mean i would love to
00:48:15
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know what it costs them to make a 3gs
00:48:17
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now like what it actually call it like
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what would be the break-even price on an
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iphone 3gs well so it's subsidized down
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to zero but they said so what do they
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actually sell it for like we can get an
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unlocked one for is that 199 yeah
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somebody told me that somebody just had
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a story last week that in India they're
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selling it as a prepaid device for 199
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the equivalent of you know that once you
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you know right that it's about 200 bucks
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ok ok so that's interesting yeah yeah it
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because it's you know along lines of an
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ipad and ipod touch now yes right right
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yeah yeah okay yeah i mean i think it
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seems like this is this is going to
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happen now there's been too many reports
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out there right when there's this much
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smoke around something it's you know
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there's got to be something out there
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that it's coming it's always possible of
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course that apple would delay it at the
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last second because of some issue may be
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there maybe there's a supply issue like
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you know who knows what can happen along
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those lines but if they get this thing
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out in time for the holidays
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this could be you know the the greatest
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selling holiday device that they've that
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they've ever launched a you know a
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holiday time right and i think it could
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get it it could get silly real fast that
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all the market share numbers consider
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the tablet to be at its own category not
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the pc right right i can I realized the
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ipad is not a pc as we know it but i
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think that it just shows that it's silly
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in today's day 22 count pc sales as a
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market you hurt you if you know don't
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worry about whether it's a pcr just in
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big in the category and say computing
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devices mobile computing you know
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yeah i totally agree this is the all
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that matters is how people are using
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computers on a daily basis and you know
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the ipad / tablets are coming with a
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vengeance now the next seven numbers are
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going to be huge the kindle fire was big
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for a bit and then it dropped off but
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you know all indications are that Amazon
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is getting ready to release another one
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arm the other two things you know to
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talk about is that so we got the nexus 7
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and you've got the kindle fire now the
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reports yesterday are that Amazon is
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going to have a another device coming
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out a refreshed a kindle fire but they
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also have a 10 inch version and so
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that's a you know that's going straight
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on with the with the current ipad and
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the other line of thinking is that
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google called the nexus 7 x-7 because
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they're going to have another sighs
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device to to come out with down the road
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to write DX is 10 or something right and
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nexus 10 so what do you think about them
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going directly after the ipad i mean
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obviously no one made any inroads and
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all this time these two year two plus
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going after the ipad do you think that's
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like a good way to get a foothold in the
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door like with the nexus 7 doing well
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then the nexus 10 does better as a
00:51:06
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result of the nexus 7 doing well yeah i
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think it could especially if it
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continues to sell i think it's you know
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I think it's the way to go and I think
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the argument the argument for multiple
00:51:15
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tablet sizes is exactly the same as the
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argument for multiple laptop sizes the
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different people have are willing to
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make different trade-offs you know why
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would somebody carry around a 15-inch
00:51:25
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four and a half pound macbook pro right
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when you know when i'm living at the
00:51:30
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luxurious life with my little love you
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know stack of paper weighs like macro
00:51:35
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well because some people are doing like
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pro audio and video or some people just
00:51:39
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like to have a big-screen everywhere
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you know yet i definitely think that I
00:51:44
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think anybody who has any kind of
00:51:46
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lasting success in the tablet market is
00:51:47
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going to have a a some sort of range of
00:51:50
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sizes and this and the surface is going
00:51:53
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to be slightly bigger right it's like a
00:51:54
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10.6 inch screen i think at least the
00:51:57
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the initial version that that Microsoft
00:51:59
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will be coming out with I don't think it
00:52:01
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was quite that much bigger I think it
00:52:02
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was but it was definitely 10-point
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something something I was like 10.1
00:52:06
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maybe it is ok but so it's slightly
00:52:08
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larger so they're obviously you know not
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not focusing at least at first on the
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smaller tablet space and going rights
00:52:15
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directly after the ipad space right and
00:52:17
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and i think it gets back to your point
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about people who are using tablets his
00:52:21
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laptop replacement I mean that's clearly
00:52:23
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examining explicitly what the surface is
00:52:26
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aimed at right as we've seen with the
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with the keyboard itself the keyboard
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cover which you know I was pretty I
00:52:32
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ripped apart uh pretty quickly just
00:52:35
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because i think i think it's a silly
00:52:37
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thing to do it where it's a built into
00:52:40
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the device itself and i know it's in
00:52:41
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it's an add-on I don't know are they
00:52:43
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giving it to have they announced that
00:52:44
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they're going to give it with the the
00:52:47
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surface or if you have to buy it as a
00:52:48
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separate add-on of the night I guess I
00:52:51
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it must be a separate item because
00:52:52
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there's two different ones
00:52:54
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that's right ok you're right so that's
00:52:56
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good ok because like I can rip apart is
00:52:58
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like it just kinda you know moves the
00:53:01
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mentality from like we're breaking new
00:53:02
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ground in computing and we're moving on
00:53:04
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from this pc world to instead we're
00:53:07
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keeping the same you know the same ideas
00:53:09
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of the pc world we're just kind of
00:53:11
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making it look different
00:53:12
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and there was a great uh that great
00:53:14
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image of a laptop versus a surface where
00:53:17
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you know the laptop has the-the-the
00:53:19
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thick bottom and the thin screen versus
00:53:21
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the surface with the thick screen and
00:53:23
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the thin bottom for the the keyboard and
00:53:25
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so that's what I kind of had a problem
00:53:26
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with but i will say since I just a few
00:53:30
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days ago I I happen to be an apple store
00:53:33
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and I were a randomly decided to pick up
00:53:35
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one of those logitech keyboard case
00:53:37
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things for the ipad right that that
00:53:39
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thing is great it's amazing i can type
00:53:42
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just as well on that as I can on my
00:53:45
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computer and I I i fully plan to the
00:53:47
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next trip i'm taking taking a trip trip
00:53:49
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in a few weeks just for a few days not
00:53:51
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bring a laptop at all just gonna bring
00:53:52
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the ipad which I probably would have
00:53:53
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done anyway but now I don't have to
00:53:55
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worry about a thing i mean i can send
00:53:57
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any email and and type at full speed and
00:53:59
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I recognize too that you know some
00:54:01
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people are great at typing on the ipad
00:54:03
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already with the with the the software
00:54:05
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keyboard but you know for whatever
00:54:08
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reason I was brought up in the world
00:54:10
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where you learn how to type on a
00:54:11
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keyboard and I'm significantly faster
00:54:12
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doing it that way and so you know people
00:54:15
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like me are are are going to be feel a
00:54:17
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little bit more comfortable for the time
00:54:18
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being at least using that keyboard and
00:54:20
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so I'm a big fan of this logitech thing
00:54:22
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and so the Microsoft Surface the cover
00:54:26
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is starting to make quite a bit more
00:54:29
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right but I don't think though it's
00:54:30
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exclusive to them i mean III just think
00:54:33
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that the number of you know when and if
00:54:36
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it turns out to be a good idea i mean
00:54:37
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Apple just put a key boarded in the next
00:54:40
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yeah yeah I you know and have it be like
00:54:42
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Bluetooth or something like that right
00:54:44
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there is something clever about the way
00:54:46
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that they're drawing power over their
00:54:47
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magnetic connection
00:54:49
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yeah right because this logitech one
00:54:51
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that I have has a is battery-powered
00:54:54
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around and you have to recharge it up
00:54:58
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and it is Bluetooth and it works with
00:55:00
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the magnets though it does
00:55:02
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oddly enough you know they say it works
00:55:03
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fine with the 4gs because the art sorry
00:55:05
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bill with it with the new iPad because
00:55:07
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the new ipad is slightly thicker than
00:55:10
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the the previous ipad i've attached to
00:55:13
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►
both there's that you can definitely
00:55:14
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tell that it's definitely more tuned for
00:55:16
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the the last generation ipad 2 rather
00:55:19
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because it's the magnet slightly slip a
00:55:22
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►
little bit it's kind of weird thing but
00:55:23
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yes so the the powering thing for the
00:55:27
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surface keyboard is definitely an
00:55:29
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interesting opponent and they also have
00:55:30
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as much as a keyboard Dave Dave touch
00:55:32
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elements to right where you can you have
00:55:34
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like all a trackpad like thing right now
00:55:38
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►
so you can use your mouse cursor that's
00:55:42
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ridiculous pic microsoft I don't know
00:55:47
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it's gonna be interesting with the rest
00:55:49
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►
of the year is going to be fascinating
00:55:51
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yeah i'd also someone before we get off
00:55:53
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the subject i saw that the stories about
00:55:55
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the the new kindle fires that are at
00:55:58
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apparently imminent that there's five or
00:56:01
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six sk use yeah i saw III my sense of
00:56:05
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that is that they'll have two different
00:56:07
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sizes so i had actually you know like a
00:56:09
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year it was a little over a year ago
00:56:10
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►
that i got my hands
00:56:12
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ugly enough on a prototype of the kindle
00:56:14
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fire before it was even named or
00:56:15
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anything like that right i remember that
00:56:17
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i remember in and it was my last my last
00:56:20
◼
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great scoop i was still at TechCrunch
00:56:21
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and so I you know I talk to someone who
00:56:25
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is telling me basically the entire you
00:56:27
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product pipeline and everything and they
00:56:29
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already had in the lab at that point a
00:56:31
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10 inch version there were there were
00:56:33
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issues they were having with it and that
00:56:35
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they were going to delay it and I think
00:56:36
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they also just wanted to see how the
00:56:38
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kindle fire itself as the 7 inch version
00:56:40
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would sell and so the plan was to
00:56:42
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release it in q1 or q2 of this year
00:56:45
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which obviously came in wins and they
00:56:46
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didn't do it i think that they saw the
00:56:48
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kindle fire had some issues it wasn't
00:56:50
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getting great reviews and who knows they
00:56:52
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may have had component problems as well
00:56:53
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but so the tenant has always been in the
00:56:56
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I think with these multiple sku that
00:56:58
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they're talking about now I think the
00:57:00
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plan is still to do a seven inch and a
00:57:02
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10 inch and they would just have
00:57:03
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different varieties of them like they
00:57:05
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would have one with more memory in it is
00:57:08
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my sense of what they're going to do
00:57:09
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with that right because the other thing
00:57:10
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I thought mean I'm people with my I saw
00:57:12
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a lot of speculation that meant that
00:57:13
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they're going to come out in a whole
00:57:14
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bunch of different size right but I
00:57:16
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don't like I would expect two sizes
00:57:18
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maybe even only maybe still even only
00:57:20
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yeah cuz you gotta remember like the
00:57:22
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ipad 2 had 18 different sk use because
00:57:26
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it had yeah all the different carriers
00:57:28
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black-and-white three sizes
00:57:30
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ah Wi-Fi only
00:57:33
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verizon compatible AT&T compatible and
00:57:35
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and the ipad 3 still has a I think 12
00:57:40
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yeah it's you don't have to get a
00:57:42
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different I don't know but there's a
00:57:44
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good counting excuse doesn't doesn't
00:57:46
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imply counting different sizes
00:57:48
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it would be easy to have six different
00:57:49
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sk use and just have to be you know
00:57:52
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color and storage
00:57:55
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yeah right and you know dark that I
00:57:58
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doubt amazon which still very much
00:58:00
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trying to figure out this market comes
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out with us a 5 inches 6 inches set
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step three you can coffee more uh OMG i
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do i almost called you Marco
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that would have been better been cool
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flattered i never make my own now oddly
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enough I don't know why I just never got
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into that I feel like I've just never
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had a good coffee maker and that's why I
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don't do it i should get into that
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because that you know God knows how much
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money I waste at coffee shops on a daily
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I'm also a little weird though because I
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don't really like hot coffee
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I only like iced coffee and so you know
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there's a little bit more of a process
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in involved in doing that I mean you can
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make it a night and put it in the fridge
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and stuff like that which does seem more
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but it does it takes planning and i
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don't know i don't have yeah i actually
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just I actually on that the talks
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website they had a a a blog post about
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making iced coffee
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I really have to check that out that
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could be interesting to but the big
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problem for me is that it it's still you
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can't just do it and have coffee 10
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minutes later right mix work and not you
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know for me it's it's way too i need the
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instant gratification
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yeah like all the sudden I need coffee
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and and and i need a really really quick
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it's awesome that you're getting coffee
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sponsorships on the show you you're
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moving up in the world here
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good i can I do that I have to hear
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about that right i mean i love have
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sponsorships from apps i mean if you've
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got a nap and you want to promote it get
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attention and i would love you know
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you're always it's obviously going to be
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a huge source of sponsorship on a show
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that you know that I'm hosting but yeah
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I love the idea of of everything from
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coffee suppliers to that you know the
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the studio need guys with the little
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cliff and the stylus and stuff like that
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sponsoring the show to ya scrape so
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mountain line so my online
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yes it's coming out we can talk about
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this under under embargo which is
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certainly don't think I've ever tried to
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do this I haven't bothered about
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something done before it's legal but it
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will be legal tomorrow to write it would
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be you would be not eating well would it
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would be against the embargo for us to
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release this recording now and it would
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be it'll be okay to record it in advance
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and release it when it's not
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yes says many people do and what you
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know and not mine itself is sort of
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interesting because while it shocked the
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world it really did like no one had any
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idea that it was coming it was a big
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surprises first legitimate surprised
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that no one had any inkling of that i
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can remember in a long time when they
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did it earlier this year and but now
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it's been out in Developer Preview for a
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while and because of all those uh
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there's many sites out there
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whoo-hoo-hoo get these these great tip
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these great anonymous developer tipsters
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who are willing to break their their
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NDA's to you know leak this information
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you know it sounds suspiciously like
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some of these hipsters are actual
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writers for some of these sites who are
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breaking their own NDA's but we cannot
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we cannot be sure of this but so
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regardless of how it happens there's
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just a lot of the infos already out
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there so it's kind of it's always
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fascinating to write a review after most
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everyone knows who really cares about it
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knows what what's coming you know right
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and I think feature wise i mean Apple
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has done the run through twice now I
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mean you did it in February not publicly
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mean that they you know they they
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unveiled the website and listed the top
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features and then they did the like a
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whole third of the WWDC keynote was
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devoted to mountain
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and yah and as always i think that they
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do a very good job of highlighting the
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features that are the most universally
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applicable right so just in terms of a
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rundown and features i don't really have
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that much to add
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yeah i mean so i've been using it i've
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been using the Developer Preview since
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that initial developer preview and have
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kinda you know I've had it I had it
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first on just one machine and now I'm
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actually running it on my on my main
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imac and I'm running it on the retina
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macbook pro that I have as well as a
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macbook air and so it's you know I found
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it to be by far stable enough at this
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point obviously the gold master is out
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and it will be out tomorrow in its full
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form and it's great i mean on my is
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sample specifically you know are there
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any performance things you're talking
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about because you know normally when a
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new always comes out that's what people
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talk about you know is their performance
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gain or anything even with snow leopards
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from leopard they talked about how it's
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it's been kind of tailored and whittled
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down to just it's it's essentials and
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they made it much smaller but there
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really is nothing like that i guess that
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there the day at least want to say with
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mountain lion though i have seen at
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least on my three-year-old iMac which is
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nearing the end of its life in that its
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nearing the end of how much I'm willing
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to put up with compared to how slow it
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is compared to my other computers
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it does seem to make it faster I don't
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know what the reason for that is but it
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definitely starts up faster i noticed
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because I i've been using it non-stop
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since the initial developer preview in
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February on my 11-inch macbook air
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ah yep and i have noticed especially the
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last few bills especially since WWDC i
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have noticed that waking from sleep is a
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yes yeah I've noticed that as well and I
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asked them I i did ask Apple about that
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because I didn't see them mention that
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anywhere but i wanted to make sure that
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i hadn't liked placebo affected my self
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and convince you know I mean like
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convince myself that it was no I think
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some sleep faster and then the truth is
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no we didn't touch that but they said no
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they actually put a huge amount of
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effort was actually well really big
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engineering thing to to improve wake
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from sleep times everything related to
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yep well and they're doing one of the
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new big features is that power nap thing
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which i haven't actually tried yet so
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it's a weird thing too because it only
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works it doesn't work for example on on
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my old imac it only works on uh i
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believe the newer macbook airs and the
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the retina macbook pro right I don't
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even think it works on my macbook eric
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is my macbook air is two years old yeah
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I don't think it does either
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I think it's only the newest versions
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yeah starting well I I don't even I
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don't think it's just the newest
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versions that just came out and at WWDC
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I think you're right it the one before
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yeah the one where the 11-inch air got
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the light up keyboard
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yeah that's right yeah yep i have the
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note is about that it's mid-2011 macbook
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air yet numeric retina macbook pros and
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none of the imax so right yeah
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yep right but that's why i was unsure
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whether i was seeing things by thinking
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that Maya doesn't qualify for power nap
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macbook air seems to be waking from
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sleep even snappier like even getting
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ever ever closer to the ideal of the iOS
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instant wake from sleep
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yep yep that's interesting
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one of one of the features that I've
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actually use quite a bit and has been
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extremely helpful has been the airplane
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mirroring uh of the the mac itself to an
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this came up the other day we are trying
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to watch wimbledon and my girlfriend I'd
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actually don't have cable and so we were
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unable to watch it in a traditional
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sense but it was streaming on espn3 i
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believe and previously and it wasn't on
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the the watch ESPN app on the iPad or or
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iphone so you can do it that way but I
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could watch it on a browser and just
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stream my entire computer right right to
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the apple TV and that was awesome
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yeah now I yep
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well I the other thing I've been doing a
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big picture wise is that I i think it's
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been a total success for Apple to get
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away from these monolithic extravaganza
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and OS updates and sort of focus on ones
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that are maybe not as exciting but your
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over a year are adding features and I
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feel like by by by shooting for smaller
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less extravaganza updates
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ah it'sit's just it just seems like it's
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a win for everybody i think it's easier
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on their engineering I think it's easier
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to hit the ship dates and I think it's a
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lot less eye for users who are updating
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to each new version as they come along
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there's a lot fewer chances for them to
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to feel like wow this is too much all
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yeah right there's no there's basically
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no learning curve from mountain from
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Lyon to mount line there's new
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notification center which is awesome
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it's probably my favorite feature of it
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but you know even that feels natural
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especially if you've used iOS devices
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before you know they've done a good job
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I think making the making it's very very
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easy transition and it's great the fact
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that you can upload update from Snow
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Leopard right to mountain lion as well
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so if you happen to skip line for
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whatever reason now you can pay $19
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instead of was it before was a 29 for
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lion when I can ya so now you can pay
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even less and get upgraded to the newer
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version i do think like what you're
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talking about you know kind of the focus
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on the smaller updates and everything I
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totally agree with that but i think you
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know there's a potential for some small
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backlash just because of the fact that
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Windows 8 is coming out this fall and
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you know they'll say you know that you
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know you'll see stories that a Windows 8
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is a major upgrade whereas you know
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Apple has only been you know kind of
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tinkering small with small little things
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here and there right
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you know Microsoft has been really
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focusing on going after their core
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audience and and improving things for
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yeah i'll know there's you know the the
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i could probably right
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hey Zeus Diaz piece for getting that
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right here you know that up now but it
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is to me it is a super just super sharp
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contrast with Microsoft and Apple in
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multiple ways we're on the one front
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windows 8 is a radical interface change
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yep I mean it's easily i mean really no
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hyperbole involved the biggest interface
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change from one version to the next in
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in Windows history
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yep uh and you know mountain lion is
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absolutely the opposite of that I think
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you know most users if you set them down
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in front of line or mountain lion would
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have to poke around a bit before they
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figure out which is which
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my stay at a glance easiest way is
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probably just look for notification
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center up in the upper right-hand corner
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Notification Center and the slightly
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white tray for the that the absent on
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male oh yeah for the dog that glass doc
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is that is slightly more
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ah so you know it is a refinement I mean
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there's definitely I think it's a good
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question what do you get for your $19 or
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your 20 bucks huh yeah i think there's
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definitely there but it certainly is a
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lot less than than windows 8 and on the
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other side it's also in sharp contrast
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to microsoft microsoft has gone with
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this I what your mg so i'll go with that
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I'll go with the Lord of the Rings
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analogy this 10 s22 rules all right I 10
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s that is meant for everything from
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phones to desktop computers and apple is
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very clearly in adamantly sticking to
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this we've got shared technologies like
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iCloud and you know the names of these
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apps and and there's certainly some
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similarities that they're you know the
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whole back to the mac thing but it is
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two different os's one geared for touch
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devices and one geared for keyboard and
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pointer devices
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yes I also but I feel like I totally
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agree with that again but i think you
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know with things like notes and were and
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reminders now you know those are
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straight-up ports to a new screen size
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basically right arm and in a new way of
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interaction with mouse but it does feel
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like you know if they do two more
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iterations let's save OS 10 or you know
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if they sit k-state always tended OS 11
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who knows but if they do two more
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iterations of OS 10 I feel like we're
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going to get a lot of of kinda overlap
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between the two of us
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and it just becomes that the mac is now
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like the you know the kind of the
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version of all your apps that you're
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used to that that are just being used on
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a bigger device that doesn't sell as
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well as an iOS device that remark yeah
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and that that's a that's interesting
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thing I think you know at first
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uh I you know I think a lot of people
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are skeptical is bringing some of these
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iOS ideas and applications to the mac
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environment but now it's starting to
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make a lot of sense to people i think
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will be the most by far controversial
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feature of a mountain lion which is the
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gatekeeper stuff because I've already
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run into a couple issues where I've
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tried to download a application over the
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web and I just had the default setting
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on when i install the mountain lion and
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so I could do it I had to go into my
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settings and switch it so that because
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no one right now Apple isn't a certified
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developers just yet for gatekeeper and
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so none of them are under that thing
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presumably most of the big ones will i
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know they told me that adobe is already
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is already on board for that so that's
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it that's a huge one for them but for
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everyone else you know you will be
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blocked from downloading uh inner
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internet applications without removing
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that thing at first without removing the
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the default settings you can still do it
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you know don't freak anyone out here of
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course you can still do you can download
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whatever you want but by default you
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will have to change that setting
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yeah i guess that probably will be the
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most controversial change because you
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know it sounds perfect on paper but in
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practice yes it is it is sort of it
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feels like you're being told to just
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told to just stick to the appstore yeah
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and how will how parents do you know
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like will even know where to go you know
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they'd guide you pretty well how to do
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it but it's it's not as seamless as you
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might think you know i can imagine for
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someone who's not really clear on how to
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guide you know make their way through
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the settings of OS 10 right and i
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wondered too with it in the first couple
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of months i think that there's going to
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be a lot more reasons for people to to
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revert that to change that setting too
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the more liberal ok allow apps to run
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from anywhere even if they're not signed
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right all right because there's going to
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be so many apps that haven't been
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yes and once people make that change
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their never did
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that's the sort of thing you've sort of
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set it and forget it and you're not
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going to go back and you're not going to
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get the advantages of gatekeeper like
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yeah i think it's going to take a year
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or two and and people getting wait till
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you get your next Mac and then you leave
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that setting on you know like I feel
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like a year from now it'll be a lot
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easier to to live with gatekeeper
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blocking anything that's at least not
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signed than it is now like I had to turn
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it off there was no way to you I just I
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couldn't last that long
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using only the built-in apps right i
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think in that way it's sort of similar
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to the popup blockers built into
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browsers you know when they first came
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out it's like you had to keep turning it
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off because there were so many sites
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that needed a pop up for whatever reason
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to login or something like that but over
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time it end up being a very good thing
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because it just basically killed the
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pop-up market that's actually a perfect
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i think that's a really good analogy i
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did a lot like that yeah yeah so that's
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so that's a great feature but it will be
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controversial to begin with another
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thing is so you just talked to apple
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right you didn't did they send you a
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build a specific build of of mountain
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lion that's a did they send you the one
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that's through the mac app store now
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ok so there's there's this weird thing
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going on where they have facebook
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integration write like this is coming
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and they've already announced that it's
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coming around but it's not coming till
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the fall right and it's nothing it's not
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really clear why that is because so they
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gave me a demo you know a a retina uh
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macbook pro with the new version of
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mountain lion on it but I noticed they
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also give me a code to download version
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for another computer so i could test it
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on all my machines on the ones i
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downloaded it does not have the facebook
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integration but on the one they gave me
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it does and they told me specifically
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that it would be a little bit different
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because it has the facebook integration
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I don't know what the holdup is like
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because it's ready to go it might only
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it is ready to go i think it's i think
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that I i I'm I'm / I don't know
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this for a fact my impression is that
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it's made its dull beta quality and it's
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it's there's bugs in it better that it's
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not set yet you have to get it the other
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way you can get it is if you have an ADC
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account it's a separate download from
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the GM yeah so if you go to that the mac
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developer page and you login with your
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ADC credentials there's a download
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download the GM build of mountain line a
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few a few links down there's download
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the facebook development package uh ok
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you're right then okay that makes sense
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because i was wondering if it was like
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maybe they signed a deal with facebook
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where they couldn't technically included
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until they include facebook within iOS
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officially you know as a package deal or
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something and so since that won't be out
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till the fall with ios6 maybe they
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couldn't do this integration with
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mountain line but that makes more sense
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especially well it works on the front
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end for users because it's in the
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Notification Center for example we could
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set a facebook facebook status message
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right from there just like you can with
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the tweet button now it makes more sense
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that developers might be is having some
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you know bugs are issues that they have
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to kind of work through right i think
01:18:42
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the other room very interesting and it
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it's obviously something that's
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something everybody's gonna notice it's
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not a detail is the iCloud document
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yes and yeah I I i think that it's it
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i'm really happy with the way that
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Apple's done this and clearly the way
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that mountain lion wants you to use
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these apps is to store your stuff in
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iCloud like that's that is what Apple
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wants you to do apple things that's the
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future of storage and sinking and stuff
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like that right and it's a huge
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difference from the way the mac has
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always work the way the mac was created
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was with this idea that the file system
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is your foundation that's the better you
01:19:26
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start you start by looking at the your
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desktop and on your desktop our volumes
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and you go into these volumes and you
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know where things are you know where the
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document is it's in this folder here you
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start with the finder
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yep and then you open the document and
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the new way the wood the iCloud way
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is just like iOS where the documents are
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conceptually in the app yeah when you
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want to open a text edit document you
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don't go to the finder you go to text
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edit and it in text at it
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yep to the point where I brought this up
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with them if you have a PDF that that
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was created in a certain maps a like
01:20:06
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adobe acrobat or something like that it
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will show up in there but you would have
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to it wouldn't show up by default in
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something like preview you would have to
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you could there's a way to do it where
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you can dig for it you know and find it
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in the file system but by default it's
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not there eight lives in whatever app it
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was created and but what I like about
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the way apples done this is they made it
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easy and it's clear that that's the way
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they want you to do it and I think it's
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the way that most people who'd sitting
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down from the mountain line first time
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they're gonna I think they're going to
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use it and I think they're gonna really
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like it but if you don't want to use it
01:20:41
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if you want to keep storing your stuff
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the same way you always have you want to
01:20:45
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use dropbox instead of iCloud or you
01:20:48
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just want to keep your documents with
01:20:50
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you know for privacy reasons you don't
01:20:51
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want him going anywhere to the cloud you
01:20:53
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only want them on your own hard drive
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I it's just one tab over in the open
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dialog box and it is the traditional
01:21:00
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here's you know store wherever you want
01:21:02
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interface and if you want to do you know
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get to them through the finder you can
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yeah that that will be a little
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controversial though as well I just
01:21:11
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because because it is one more click to
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be able to do it that way and they're
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trying to change it and I think that's
01:21:16
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where they have to do it and i think
01:21:16
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that the benefits of it far outweigh
01:21:20
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what what the backlash will be because
01:21:22
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now presuming you have at least one iOS
01:21:25
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device like this the seamlessness at
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which will work is awesome i mean you
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know everyone seemed to demo now where
01:21:31
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you can edit something on your mac and
01:21:33
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it will change in almost real time on a
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I iOS device if you're doing that and in
01:21:39
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terms of you know getting like a PDF
01:21:41
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from one app to another you can still
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use drag-and-drop yes right i mean and
01:21:46
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so there's you know you think like will
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can't I just drag it from here to the
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and you know let it works so I yep
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yeah i think that they've managed this
01:21:57
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transition very well
01:21:58
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because there's there's the way they
01:21:59
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want you to use it they're not pushing
01:22:01
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you there are enticing you to go there
01:22:05
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yeah and i think it that the fear people
01:22:07
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had was that Apple is going to push
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people to do that and it's you know you
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can argue that did with some of the
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policies with all of this stuff put
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together with gatekeeper and with the
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sandboxing restrictions in the app store
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and the fact that only app store apps
01:22:23
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get iCloud access that you know that
01:22:27
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there are enticing you heavily enough
01:22:28
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that maybe it counts as pushing or that
01:22:30
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they've tilted the floor in that
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direction but they're not forcing you to
01:22:33
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do that and I really really truly
01:22:34
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believe that they're not going to do
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that that's not you know the next major
01:22:38
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version of Mac os10 is not going to be
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app store only right I think gatekeeper
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is there you know that's their solution
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long-term to bringing the advantages of
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two of the app store to all apps right i
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think that they're doing at the exact
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right way which is that the they're
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playing up the advantages the appstore
01:22:58
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separately from apps themselves meaning
01:23:01
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that if you want to do the app store
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like yes you'll have to you'll have to
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take a hit if you have a paid app but
01:23:06
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you're also getting access to Game
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Center you're getting access to the
01:23:11
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iCloud integration so they're playing up
01:23:14
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like the advantages doing it but not
01:23:15
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making you do it necessarily right so
01:23:18
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that's you know you you lead with a
01:23:20
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carrot not with the stick in that regard
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which is smart
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uh the two the two other things i had
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like I think there's there's a lot of
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one quick one which kind of date brings
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back to what we were talking about the
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very beginning with a with marissa meyer
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is a it's fascinating that the built-in
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sharing in in mountain-lion includes
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includes both vimeo and flickr but it
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does include youtube even though youtube
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is like you know one of the standard
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apps on iOS and and apple is obviously
01:23:52
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had to deal with google and that for the
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past and that's the by far the biggest
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video sharing site they have they have
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vimeo but no YouTube I'd you know what i
01:24:00
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noticed that i remember noting that at
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the keynote I know my notes from the
01:24:03
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WWDC keynote had that and i forgot to
01:24:08
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die I hadn't really thought about that
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sense but I remember thinking like at
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is that it or is that like they're still
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in negotiation and it's not in there for
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sure and yeah and Emilio is so that's
01:24:21
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pretty fascinating and flickers still
01:24:22
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flickr you know has been integrated into
01:24:24
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our things like iphoto for now Apple TV
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and apple TV right yeah and so it's
01:24:31
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still there so they're still giving a
01:24:32
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yahoo and flickered that love which is
01:24:36
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hopefully they get rejuvenated a bit the
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other a really big thing i kinda want to
01:24:41
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talk about was a safari itself so i know
01:24:44
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right i presume that you're a big safari
01:24:47
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user i am and i'm not i use chrome x
01:24:52
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pretty much exclusively except I've made
01:24:55
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exceptions for when the retina macbook
01:24:57
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pro came out because chrome was just
01:25:00
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looked god-awful because i wasn't
01:25:02
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updated with the retina graphics yet
01:25:04
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right even the font even a font
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rendering wasn't yeah was awful it was
01:25:08
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all wrong it was wrong to and twitter
01:25:09
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for it's still wrong and twitter for
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Makka know if they'll ever fix that it
01:25:12
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was wrong and sparrows wrong a few other
01:25:13
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things fixing sparrow but so they they
01:25:16
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have since fixed it sort of in the
01:25:18
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canary build which is the early build of
01:25:20
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of chrome but it's still not stable
01:25:23
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enough so i still use safari when im
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using the the retina macbook pro but
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i've been using it with the with the
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mountain lion release I still I still
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have a big problem with safari I know
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that they say you know they gave me the
01:25:36
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stats that according to sunspider
01:25:38
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javascript test safari is the fastest
01:25:40
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browser now compared to i think was
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chrome 19 or whatever the last version
01:25:43
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was I still find it to be slower and
01:25:47
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just the smallest little things that I
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do including you know one is of course
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using Gmail which makes some sense that
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google is able to optimize gmail for for
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chrome better than they could for safari
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or you know who knows that's on purpose
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or if this is just because they have
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access to that team directly but i still
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have a problem with using safari as my
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main browser and the only thing that
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I've noticed that's pretty buggy in
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mountain line is Safari itself i'm
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having rendering issues are you noticing
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no i'm not i don't know why that is just
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certain sites seem to I'll get it I'll
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get the thing where i scroll down and
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then all of a sudden part of the page
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like a square of it is white
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one of those situations i don't know
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what I could probably switch to chrome
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pretty easily although I don't really
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like Chrome on iOS as much i think they
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did a very nice job and I can see how
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some people would really like it I mean
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one of the one day when there was all
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that talk and I know you had it early
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that they were working on Chrome for iOS
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right uh which would have to to comply
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with the appstore rules use the system's
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version of WebKit right i remember
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thinking what's the point then if it's
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really just a rectangle with WebKit why
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even bother and I well I thinking
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thinking is is one of the things that
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people love the most
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uh which I care about a little bit i I'm
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used to the omni bar which is which they
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oddly added to safari in OS 10 rights
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they have them now where you can either
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search or type the URL and but they
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don't have it in even at iOS 6 right
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safari yeah I was
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that's interesting it I and i'm not
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quite sure what the logic is there
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because there's more room for a second
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bar on the matter yeah my only thought
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is that it's easier to touch you know a
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second input than it is to kind of
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Dragon mouse up somewhere and try maybe
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but i'm not sure otherwise I just hold
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that thought for a second we'll get back
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to that but another little given the
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knowledge to google changing iOS 6 is
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that that search field in ios6 no longer
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no longer says google search search the
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web for something serious
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yep yep that's right that's another
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thing that someone else brought up to me
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that maybe they do it in iOS because
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they want people to go to the sites
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directly rather than using google which
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has become almost the default for a lot
01:28:11
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of people to find any site you know but
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then it still doesn't make sense why
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they would do it in OS 10 go the other
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way I i don't know i will say this with
01:28:19
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when it comes to Chrome vs safari
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especially on the Mac I I could switch
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to chrome very easily and the times that
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I've used it i like I I can't even
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remember off the top of my head why the
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last time I tried it as my daily browser
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i switched back
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yep but it's very close to me and I do
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think and I think the best thing about
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does feel faster yeah I just at a
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technical level there's a big big
01:28:43
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fundamental difference between chrome
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and safari which is that chrome breaks
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off each tab into its own process so you
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have 20 tabs there's 20 chrome rendering
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processes and safari has two processes
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one for the interface and a separate
01:29:02
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process that just does the rendering now
01:29:06
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that's a big security when either both
01:29:08
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both ways give you the security when
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where the rendering process which might
01:29:12
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be exploited by bugs in JavaScript or
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something like that is completely
01:29:16
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sandboxed and doesn't have access to the
01:29:19
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file system doesn't have access to all
01:29:21
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sorts of stuff huge security went right
01:29:23
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but i do think that at least to date the
01:29:28
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chrome model of using many rendering
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processes it especially I think the
01:29:34
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reason that Safari get slowed down for
01:29:35
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me is that I'm i'm such a hyperactive
01:29:37
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reader that I end up with 20 30 tabs
01:29:41
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open at a time right
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I and that to me is when it really i see
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the difference i don't really see a
01:29:45
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difference in speed if I have one tab
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open in each app it's when I have a
01:29:50
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bunch open and I can't help but think
01:29:52
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that a technical level it's it's gummed
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up by only having one monolithic
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rendering process and so why did why do
01:30:00
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you think they do that why not just copy
01:30:02
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what what chrome it
01:30:03
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I honestly have no idea i mean that's I
01:30:06
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just you know and I i hesitate to
01:30:08
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speculate because I'm you know whatever
01:30:11
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technical guesses I could make are you
01:30:13
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know laughably ill ill informed compared
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to you know the guys who are actually on
01:30:18
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the WebKit team at apple right yeah the
01:30:22
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they have done some nice things to make
01:30:24
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it more compelling to use safari with
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mountain lion in particular the the the
01:30:28
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iCloud I tabs integration stuff so if
01:30:31
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you use Safari on iOS which most
01:30:35
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everyone does except for the few who use
01:30:37
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chrome you can get transferred back and
01:30:40
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forth quickly between your tabs that you
01:30:42
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have open and that's a really nice
01:30:43
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integration there's also that the reader
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thing which i don't know how many people
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use or don't use
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it still seems kind of half-baked in my
01:30:51
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mind but it's nice that they have it for
01:30:53
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offline now if you want to do that so
01:30:54
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you can you can take a bunch of articles
01:30:56
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if you're going to be you know going to
01:30:59
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an airport or whatever but you could
01:31:00
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always do that with instapaper one of
01:31:02
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the other services already and so they
01:31:06
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do a nice job of of kind of unifying
01:31:09
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that experience but it's still not quite
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enough I think to get me using safari on
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a regular basis just just solely because
01:31:17
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of the speed thing and I'm for whatever
01:31:19
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reason it's a silly aesthetic thing but
01:31:21
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i'm like addicted to having pin tabs
01:31:23
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where I have like four tabs that I pin
01:31:25
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which are you know like gmail a twitter
01:31:29
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and if few others wrote a technique is
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one of them and because i just always
01:31:34
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have those open and kind of shoved over
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the side they're not in my face is
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something because that you know there's
01:31:40
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weird spacing issues with with safari
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tabs i'm sure you've noticed this where
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it's like certain versions of it and
01:31:46
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i've been playing with you know it's
01:31:47
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different nightly build and stuff
01:31:49
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certain ones like when you open a new
01:31:50
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tab will open it like the entire half of
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however bigger window is and that will
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be the new tab other versions do it as
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like a fifth of it and they make like
01:31:59
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these these small little differences and
01:32:01
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i'm not sure what they're going for
01:32:02
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their I just like the aesthetic better
01:32:04
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yeah I don't like the way that with tabs
01:32:06
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and so far enough you have two tabs in a
01:32:08
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window they each get half the window
01:32:09
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yeah right exactly because I a
01:32:11
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statically just and I realized that the
01:32:14
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idea there is that if the page title has
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a long string then you see more you can
01:32:17
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see the whole thing yeah but st
01:32:19
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aesthetically it to me it doesn't it
01:32:21
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doesn't look good
01:32:22
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yeah I do actually like I'd like it
01:32:24
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don't like the the non showing of
01:32:26
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favicons which is a lot of sites just
01:32:28
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have shitty ones and they're kinda ugly
01:32:30
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and chrome shows those and safari
01:32:32
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doesn't so it keeps it more pristine and
01:32:34
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more focused on what the content is but
01:32:36
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you know what some hands like Google
01:32:38
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does it and actually kind of cool thing
01:32:40
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with their fabric on for Gmail which is
01:32:42
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that they give you a little unread count
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on it when you know so if there's a if
01:32:47
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there's to unread emails in there it'll
01:32:48
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show up in the fabric on his little too
01:32:50
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on the side of it
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yeah I maybe I should give chrome
01:32:53
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another shot I don't know it it might be
01:32:55
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time I think one of the reasons i
01:32:56
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switched the last time as I had a I had
01:32:59
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a bookmarklet that didn't work
01:33:01
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for me in chrome and i eventually
01:33:03
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figured out that it was it was a bug in
01:33:07
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the bookmarklet like it wasn't the
01:33:09
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chrome didn't support it was i was so I
01:33:12
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i probably should
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that is a big problem with chrome for
01:33:15
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iOS though by the way the bookmarklet
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right not work at all right that's
01:33:19
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really that's actually the deal breaker
01:33:20
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for me I mean you just added from a
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practical standpoint is is why i don't
01:33:25
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use it but i understand that most people
01:33:27
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most people don't use bookmarklets they
01:33:29
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have no idea what they are and I do see
01:33:32
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how the way that Chrome's interface for
01:33:34
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iOS especially on the iphones designed
01:33:36
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actually puts more emphasis on the
01:33:39
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yes because i love it doesn't have both
01:33:44
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the top and bottom bar
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it just has a top bar yea which was
01:33:47
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little jarring at first I thought it was
01:33:49
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but it's actually it's pretty nice
01:33:51
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the thing I love the most though and god
01:33:53
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I wish safari for iOS with a would copy
01:33:56
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this is just to be able to swipe without
01:33:58
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zooming out you know like rather than
01:34:00
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hitting the tab button you can just
01:34:01
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swipe on the left or right and get to
01:34:03
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the next tab
01:34:04
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yeah that's genius and really is very
01:34:05
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nice yeah so that's that's my favorite
01:34:08
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thing and they did uh it kind of similar
01:34:11
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they did a a new gesture in safari for
01:34:14
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mountain lion which is that you could
01:34:16
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pinch to zoom out and it gives you this
01:34:19
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new tab view type thing that you can
01:34:22
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switch between the the open tabs and
01:34:24
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safari which is pretty slick i'm not
01:34:26
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sure how how how good that is for people
01:34:29
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who have tons of tabs open because
01:34:30
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you'll just be flicking through them
01:34:31
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forever but it's pretty nice little
01:34:34
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yeah but the funny thing is there it
01:34:36
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went to and i like it i think it's a
01:34:38
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great feature but they are the tabs are
01:34:40
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tabs sighs yes yes
01:34:43
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like any interface where it really
01:34:45
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doesn't matter there is your tabs i
01:34:47
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bring them down to a small little sighs
01:34:49
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yeah when you zoom in there you know
01:34:51
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they're each one gets it equal share of
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yeah they only look I guess bottom line
01:34:57
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is that safaris tabs only look good when
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you have at least 45 tabs and window
01:35:02
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yep totally agree yep but other than
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that I don't really have a lot more to
01:35:06
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add about me I think it's a great
01:35:07
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release it has been stable for me I
01:35:11
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can't help but think that by reducing
01:35:12
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the price to 1919
01:35:14
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fine i think they're leaving money thing
01:35:15
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apples leaving money on the table but i
01:35:17
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think that they they really they're not
01:35:19
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really in it for the money i mean i'm
01:35:21
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sure right multiply the you know 50 50
01:35:25
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million copies they'll eventually sell
01:35:26
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by twenty bucks i mean it
01:35:28
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they're gonna keep the hundred million
01:35:29
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dollars or 200 million dollars whatever
01:35:31
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it comes to but uh I mean that's not
01:35:33
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that much money for apple
01:35:35
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yeah the you know the when they when
01:35:38
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they give these pitches about like what
01:35:40
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mountain lions all about they bleed with
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the the numbers you know those 66
01:35:44
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million people or whatever using OS 10
01:35:46
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numbers tripled i think they said in
01:35:48
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five years and then they talk they start
01:35:51
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to go and directly to like how they're
01:35:53
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they're focused on district distributing
01:35:56
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it digitally and they even told me this
01:35:57
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time they're not going to do the USB key
01:35:59
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thing that they did the last time
01:36:00
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because you know some people just
01:36:01
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couldn't comprehend how to do it three
01:36:03
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of the mac app store right and so but
01:36:06
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that's I you know that's a smart way to
01:36:09
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do it and it led to these they said I
01:36:12
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think forty forty percent of the install
01:36:14
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base updated to lie in nine months which
01:36:16
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doesn't sound like a lot compared to iOS
01:36:19
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but it's huge compared to any other
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desktop traditional desktop operating
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system you know they give you though the
01:36:24
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windows seven number that it took 26
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months to hit that same milestone and
01:36:28
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right and i think that you know it it
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was I think that the old numbers were
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largely at the fact that that prior to
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Lyon most people just didn't update
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their operating system till I got a new
01:36:40
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computer right here just the mass-market
01:36:42
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really just buys a computer and will the
01:36:46
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will install hopefully you know whatever
01:36:47
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software updates come over the air
01:36:49
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security updates and stuff like that but
01:36:51
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they don't when it comes time to do the
01:36:52
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big update to the new major releases
01:36:55
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have to pay for they don't do it and now
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yeah now they are ya just getting forty
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percent to do it in the night in nine
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months because that's how long because i
01:37:03
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really think that's a large part about
01:37:04
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what the you know windows seven taking
01:37:06
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twenty six months is I mean when you're
01:37:09
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talking about twenty six months to hit
01:37:10
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forty percent you're you're more at that
01:37:12
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you know two-year period where people
01:37:14
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get new computers every two or three
01:37:15
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yes that's totally true that's probably
01:37:18
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what drives the majority of that number
01:37:20
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right and i really think you know so
01:37:22
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with it like you said that the apple
01:37:24
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says there's now 66 million installed
01:37:26
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which isn't users it's in its max right
01:37:29
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and so like my family Mac might have
01:37:31
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multiple users and you'd its kind of
01:37:32
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hard to estimate users but yeah yeah you
01:37:35
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know that the the if every single one of
01:37:37
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them spent the 20 bucks to update to
01:37:40
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mountain line it's just not that much
01:37:42
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money from Apple's perspective clearly
01:37:44
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this thing is is price low to encourage
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people to update and it's uh it's
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fascinating how that influenced
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microsoft because now Windows 8 is is
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how much I think it's is a $29 it's
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something it's something obscenely low
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compared to what it used to be with you
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well over a hundred dollars right up and
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it's so it feels of course like they've
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been pressured to do that by what Apple
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is doing the kind of set the bar for
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what an OSI upgrade should be yeah and
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they've also simplified it where they
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don't have anywhere near as many
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versions of windows to choose from right
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they just decided to go with that
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ridiculous RT name still for an apparent
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reason but uh huh
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but but what's uh what's most
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interesting about microsoft dropping the
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price significantly of windows which is
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great for everyone great for consumers
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of course and that's going to lead to a
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lot more people upgrading to it i think
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but it's also that's that's the core way
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they make money i mean it's not the core
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way because of OM still pay for how you
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know the licensing fee to Microsoft but
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it's still like a big part of the way
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Microsoft makes money and they're taking
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whatever it is a you know a fourth cut
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right in for your email in theory Apple
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could give it away free i mean i don't
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know about the accounting III there
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still might be some kind of right there
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would be accounting practices that that
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you couldn't do that literally but or
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they could sell it for ridiculously low
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price in theory they could sell it for
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you know the dollar 99 or something
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everything it wouldn't matter to apple
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financially it wouldn't be there
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wouldn't really be taking him in the
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chin because and the whole reason for
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that is that the only people who can buy
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it are people who already paid a
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thousand dollars or more for an apple
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computer right whereas microsoft needs
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that right and that's you know core part
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of their business
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so yeah i'm at i don't i I don't know if
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the if the OEM relationship is any
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different if they're charging the OMS
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less per license because they're
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sumers left i assume not because that
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would be a significant hit on their
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business if they did that same cut for
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the for the OEM vendors that they work
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with i mean you're talking windows
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revenues cutting by a fourth or well and
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I think that the difference is that
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they're pretty much pitching it as its
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upgrade pricing only yeah that's true i
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mean and I that is a question i don't
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actually think I remember somebody asked
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and I don't think we have the answer yet
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is let's say you buy a bare-bones pc
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that doesn't even ship with a version of
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windows on it just a you know blank
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motherboard and hard drive you'll be
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able to take the $29 retail windows 8
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thing and install windows on it or do
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you have to start with some version of
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windows you know that's always been a
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tricky question i remember back in like
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the nineties like what you know thinking
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about that and I i want to say that at
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least one version maybe was windows at
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me or something like that allowed you to
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install the operating system even though
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it was the upgrade version and it wasn't
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like touted or anything but there was a
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way to do it or there might have been a
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small little hack that you could you
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know get some file on your computer that
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made it think that you had you know
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windows XP or something and then you
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could uh windows 98 I mean and then you
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could install windows and me on top of
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that there was something like that but
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as far as i know you you can't do that
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or you should be able to do that because
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I'd be stupid than you know from from
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Microsoft perspective they want you to
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of course by the the full version with
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your right is the version that they
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would sell the OEM is not some the only
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ones are doing upgrades for users so
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yeah anyway the bottom line i just don't
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think mountain lions all that shape it's
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not it is absolutely not are shaking in
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the way that Windows 8 is and i think it
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is I think it's a good thing for for Mac
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yeah that just makes that makes
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reviewing it interesting I mean you know
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basin were both writing reviews today
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and yeah but I don't know exactly how to
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add a frame and I think you know your
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framing it is correct and I don't like
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to do you know I don't know how you you
01:41:42
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come up coming do you do your
01:41:45
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traditional review stuff i know that you
01:41:47
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do it typically different than like say
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you know the Verger and gadget does it
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like especially with hardware but
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it and I i try to do that too just
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because i don't i don't like to go into
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details about all the little uh all the
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specs and everything because it just
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matters less and less over time it seems
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like but within with an OS upgrade like
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this it's a tricky thing to approach
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from a review perspective because it's
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so similar to what lion is you know that
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besides these core features
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yeah that's the problem I'm having with
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my reviews I edge style i like it i
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think everybody who certainly everybody
01:42:20
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like listens to the show and we'd during
01:42:21
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fireball I think it's everybody's gonna
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I think it's going to be a very popular
01:42:25
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update and I think it's worth twenty
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bucks but every every it's hard to write
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the review though in a way that doesn't
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come across as saying I don't know if
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that you know there's not that much new
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right right so you almost have to do it
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as taking a step back and looking at the
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broader perspective right which are
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talking right now
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yeah but anyway speaking of which we
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should probably get to work on that
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mg Siegler thank you very much for being
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here really appreciate it of course
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thanks for having me again let me just
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