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00:00:28 ◼   ► july 2014 [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► welcome back to the uncomfortable i'm [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► your host Jason L we are competing [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► another edition of our old movie club [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► and because this episode by my reckoning [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► is going to be released roughly on july [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► the fourth of 2014 [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► i have explained or non-us listeners [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► july 4th over important holiday in the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► United States it is Independence Day and [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► as a result of that incredible [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► confluence old movie club is has made it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► a a rash and ill informed decision to [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► discuss the film is 1776 in 1972 musical [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► and Yankee Doodle Dandy a 1942 American [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► biographical musical so it's patriotic [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► musicals in the in in in our sights [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► oh god help us send help set it to [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► America anyway to join me on this [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► journey are a fine collection of people [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► who watch these two movies [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► Monty Ashley hello I USA USA all right [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► excellent work Andy not co hi andy i [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► have come to the conclusion that one [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► useless man is a disgrace that two are [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► called a law firm and that three or more [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► become a podcast that's right well we [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► are cool incomparable men today David [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► laura is also out there hello mr. Snell [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► but mr. Snell the things I writer mainly [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► light extemporaneous so we're doing this [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► tonight huh [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► apparently we are filling michael filen [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► for Michaels do your finest talk singing [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► for us [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah that that will not happen if it's [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► not a little little bit paper into this [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► bullet solo and Steve let's joins us as [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► well hi Steve hi Jason [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► god what a bastardly bunch we are huh [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah and Glenn Fleischman is also [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► out there somewhere hovering is several [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► miles above the surface of the earth [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► good god mr. Snell I will not be [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► silenced [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► sit down Glenn sit down all right we're [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► a Phil you are usually our guide to the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► old movie club so I asked you help you [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► don't don't pin this on me [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► help me out here so yeah I had some [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► suggestions for movies and they were [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► yeah i think very good suggestions and I [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► jokingly said and this is why you should [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► never ever ever joke about anything and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and go through life death get definitely [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► serious i said well we could do 1776 but [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► a little mostly be me and not go singing [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► at each other for the better part of an [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► hour [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► can't wait for that i'm hoping that'll [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► carry assets that's a very ad that's a [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► very advertiser friendly format should i [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► say so you're the one who started the [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► singing thing yeah she and so so yes I I [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► i have the original sin as it were but [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► but um Jason playing Adam to my Eve huh [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► I don't like where this metaphor is [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► going anyhow Jason tweeted haha we could [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► do 1776 and then the masses [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► yes an avalanche of people on Twitter an [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► avalanche of people uh the popular will [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► democracy if you withhold suggested that [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► yes you have to do 1776 and I think this [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► proves a very important point here on [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the fourth of July is that democracy is [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► awful [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► what we need is a benevolent [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► dictatorship [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► yeah where some guy says hey let's do [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► these good movies in snow [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► now i'm gonna say we did 200 episodes [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► without democracy and we do one episode [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► with democracy and look what happened [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► and it crumbles and so then we decided [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► well you gotta have a theme so what what [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► movie can we do in there there aren't [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► that many really good patriotic choices [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► for a movie perhaps we can debate that [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► later on in the podcast but we settle on [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► hey let's go for another musical let's [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► do Yankee Doodle Dandy a movie which I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► had not in fact scene until just a [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► little bit ago so i think we should say [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► we tried very hard to figure out what [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► exactly are our movie would be that we [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► would pair with 1776 and there are lots [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► of different discussions about various [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► patriotic movies movies that people [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► think of is really to the fourth of July [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► but aren't patriotic in any sort of way [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► like born on the fourth of July [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► and somehow Yankee Doodle Dandy came up [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and it was it's a musical and it's sort [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► of patriotic and we just thought even [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► though we hadn't seen it [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► sure let's do that my favorite [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► suggestion from Twitter was that we [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► watched the john adams miniseries which [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► well fine miniseries is 18 10 episodes [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► yeah it's a lot of work significant [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► significant investment of time just [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► slightly slightly shorter than 1776 that [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► stars my friend Paul Giamatti do so and [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► he's quite good in it Lennon but far [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► less singing less thing he's gonna have [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► to actually haven't seen the next to see [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► yeah for next July 4th watchable of time [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► between now and then [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► yeah i recommend it not like these two [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► movies never gonna talk about for the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► better part of an hour okay look so I'm [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► so I'm going to be the one to say that [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► 1776 is a terrific musical and yankee [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► doodle dandy is certainly within at [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► least the middle of the bandwidth for [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► music male musicals of that period [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► I'm being I'm being cruel and I'm being [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► a jerk because that's my bike not [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► default setting for bit yeah it's my [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► yeah it's my thing it works for me but I [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► i will say the 1776 is a perfectly fine [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► musical aight aight i enjoy it i enjoy [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► it less each time I see it [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► oh I have to snow is because I pick out [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the the flaws in the errors and and I [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► don't want to get too much into it and [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► be be a negative nelly it's a very fine [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► musical in the first time you see it [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► especially if you like me saw it as a as [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► a history loving middle schooler and you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► turn and you turn it on and there's John [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Adams singing and wow that's that's [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► unusual and there's the great line about [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► about that Ben Franklin has Howard to [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► silver play them don't worry John the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► history books so clean it up a bit and [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► it it's a fun musical um and yankee [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► doodle dandy is also present [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► well I will say as somebody who's [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► historical knowledge pretty much stopped [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► around middle school because that's when [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► I stopped paying attention [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► I really quite enjoyed 1776 so yeah so [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► let's get into that we hours then [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► because i think that one will be the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► will all I think sort of enjoy it to [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► varying degrees [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► this is the first time I've seen 1776 me [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► and I don't have markedly different [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► experience than the one kills as I [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► should have [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► why do you hate America Monty should i [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► summarize the plot Jason before we get [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► into it yes please please [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► ok the year is 1776 oh my god spoilers i [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► like to call this 13 angry small groups [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► of men get us to build this wall around [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► your heart so that no light can get into [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it huh is it more of a maintenance thing [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► or is it like painting a bridge it just [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► never ends or begins [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► I think it's safer not to let light into [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► your heart may be my animal magnetism [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► there's a whole musical with puppets and [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► stuff about how Phil gradually built his [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► hardened wall around his heart so the [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► year is 1776 is what you're saying yes [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the place America ok or or not quite [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► America just yet [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► it's Philadelphia and also dreams it's [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► like diehard in Congress and things [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► aren't things are not going well for the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► rebel con colonies their their their [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► army is in disarray the the Congress is [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► fighting and John Adams is obnoxious and [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► disliked and trying trying mind you to [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► get everyone to vote for independence [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► this is something that 1776 has in [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► common with a job Adams miniseries by [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► the way that he's kind of unpleasant and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► people don't like him [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► also with history also history would [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► confirm this is not a plot device i have [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► heard that um and and people who are [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► better red than me can can dispute this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► but I I sort of think a lot of that has [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► been colored by his presidency where he [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► was not uh well liked [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► yes as it as it as a younger gentleman [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► he was far more respected and his is a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► a personality traits were sort of [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► overlooked based upon his his brilliance [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► as a as a thinker and a lawyer and our [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► underwriter but yeah he was generally [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► dislike [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► well the alien Sedition Acts probably [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► have something to do with calling our [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► memory as well so that's that's that's [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► part of it [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► rrb horrible presidency you use a great [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► pre president great post president in [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► the office not so much but so but so [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► much of so much of what was talking [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► about is actually like directly from his [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► correspondence especially the obnoxious [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► and dislike line and I senior call from [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the from the John Adams miniseries that [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► we could have watched instead he burnt a [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► lot he destroyed a lot of his personal [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► papers that might have been from happier [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► times and what survives is the the [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► embittered john adams he couldn't have [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► been hated that much you got the job [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► David McCullough 'he's book 1776 which [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► is not the novelization of the movie is [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► acting mean it kind of points out all [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the things that they got horribly [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► horribly wrong or you know just sort of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► smoothed over for the purposes of drama [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► but it is not exactly the most accurate [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► version but its history its historical [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► fiction [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► yeah it is it is it isn't not accurate [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► at all it and well for starters they [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► didn't sing constantly in the First [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► Continental Congress I hate to spoil it [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► also also they probably don't have a [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► giant pad of paper with the document [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► number update on it and they're directly [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► tear off every single day [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► yeah where'd you get those printed up in [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► 1776 anyway you got a guy he got it you [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► got it you got to have a guy but that [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► you can get them lets you get those from [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you old hallmark store back vented that [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► was a weird spelling either but at least [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► at least one can say for 1776 that it [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► utilizes some actual legitimate source [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► material Franklin's quotes and Adams [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► letters and it does it does get us get [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► broad broad things correct bring you [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► your not that you don't want to you [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► don't want to expect that the sequence [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► of events or even specific events of the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► that led up to the signing the adoption [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of the Declaration were correct but i [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► think that if it delivers one thing that [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► needs to be delivered its that man these [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the guts on these guys to not only to [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► basically here's a piece of paper with [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► all of our names on it so if this fails [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► guys here's the list of people to round [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► up and have hung and thank and in the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► end the idea that these weren't like you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► know 13 colonies united and liberty it [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► now these are people who really had [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► major major disagreements that need not [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► even the entire all the colonies were [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► like into this idea that they really had [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► we talked around to this so you have so [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► broad things that were that I think [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► we're very very useful to impart [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► especially given that as you say this is [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► something the kids are going to see like [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you know when their air conditioning [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► cocks out they need to go out to a movie [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► theater in 1972 1973 but it's it's a [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► useful thing or when your social studies [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► teacher just does not want to pop it pop [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it out wanting to the old VCR this movie [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► and Romeo and Juliet two movies that [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► almost everybody will get to see if they [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► don't have a really great teacher [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► speaking of Hong there's a surprising [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► number of jokes in this movie it's true [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► sure if that's if that's legitimate or [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► not but there is some amount of sexual [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► force in this film oh no no no every [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► book is a book called dr. Butler's [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► legacy written by the great and late [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► no apparently wrote a lot of really [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► interesting books about language very [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► fun with funny ones dr. ballows legacy [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► defines this very specific point the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► eighteen-hundreds when people develop [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► this horrible thing Steve which you [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► would hate called sensibility and people [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► start getting sensitive in the seventeen [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► hundreds Duchess's would talk about [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► their another parts using coarse [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► language in the mid eighteen hundreds it [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► was all considered you know de trop and [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► it was all beneath everyone's dignity to [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► do so it's actually very accurate in the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► seventeen hundreds of people go around [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► making even much much in fact the movie [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► was toned down what would have been [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► written in that period and you know if [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► you look at Franklin's papers he [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► certainly has a lot of comments about a [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► / apparatus and disease and so forth [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► that one might employee in the sexual [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► congress the impression I got from the [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► beginning of this movie is that I and i [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► thought this for a little while was they [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► were going to make the argument that [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► this whole declaration of independence [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► thing would have been much easier [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► if their wives had been with them for [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► sex and that was like the biggest [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► impediment was we left our wives at home [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► when we came to the Congress and that is [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► a problem except for Franklin who has no [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► wife and no problem and ok and and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► several several sexually transmitted [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► diseases let's not leave that out [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► does he have the French disease i wonder [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► oh well named named european country and [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► he probably has the disease he had the [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► best disease he had the English disease [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► he never been to Venezuela so you never [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► had the visible and agree disease but [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► the austro-hungarian disease is used to [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► have the Istanbul disease but I was [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► constant Constantinople i would like to [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► point out that one of the things movie [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► got correct that is bizarre given my [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► types in background is the unalienable [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► enable think that's completely correct [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► john adams did potentially in his I'm [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► looking actually as we speak [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► I wanted to double check the item he [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► actually hand corrected the word that [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► Jefferson wrote knees and inalienable [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► several times to unalienable so the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► weirdest historical details are correct [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► and the grossest ones are made false [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► right i just had to close the loop on [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► the accuracy or not they're of about the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► only thing that bothers me about the I I [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► think John Dickinson and james wilson [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► who are your kind of the villains of the [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► peace [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► yes they get a raw deal i think i think [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the because because you can't have kept [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the younger and George the third singing [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► songs about how we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► crush your rebellion that would require [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► two sets so yeah that would have not [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► another whole nother set that would have [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► blown their budget so uh [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► I i think if you if the only [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► introduction to the signing the of the [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► Declaration of Independence that you get [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► is this movie that you will get a very [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► skewed picture of what John Dickinson [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and james wilson we're actually about [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► yeah but that's what's your we shouldn't [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► worry that much about the office [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► Salieri and Mozart were actually pretty [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► ok friends and a business pretty certain [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► the cellular didn't kill him out its [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► cool down the whole movie [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► murray Abraham you gotta go you gotta [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► love that Darth Maul actually had a [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► lovely speaking voice I i well I [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► actually i think that the real star 1776 [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► william daniels is great but phil [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► hartman yea even and it was like 70 [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► million in the three or five roles that [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► he played that movie he was magnificent [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► only be played the women to this is this [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► is true one of my notes is that uh is I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► didn't know Troy McClure was in 1776 and [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► it's got to be [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► i mean i-i have to imagine that this is [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► one of those movies that phil hartman [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► watched and and maybe even riffed on [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► some of these characters because they [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► sound exactly like the movie characters [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► that are done by phil hartman which is [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► ironic because a lot of these people are [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► stage actors making their their first [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► movie and in some cases they're only [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► movie yes yeah yeah and because they [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► used a lot of the original cast or in [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the case of John column who plays a [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► Rutledge from South Carolina and you who [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► you may remember from such shows as [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► northern exposure [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► sure yeah calling calling he was [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► actually the second or third guy to play [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► Rutledge on Broadway was the third it [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► and he was the original choice but they [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► couldn't get him they couldn't get them [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► and then he played the part and they [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► said well you're gonna be in them [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► you're gonna be in a movie but a lot of [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► these guys were stage actors and it's [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► funny that you mentioned you you made [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► the referenced Amadeus two of the actors [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► who are in this movie go on to Piron [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► Amadeus the fellow who plays Samuel [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► chase of maryland and the fellow who [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► plays live in all of Georgia are both in [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that movie and that that's what makes [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► this movie stronger i love it when [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► I i love it when you have the original [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► broadway cast that made made a musical [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► or play valuable enough to make a movie [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► and they just simply transfer as much of [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► that cast over because when you because [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► it's like oh great [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► gypsy starring Lillian Russell oh ok [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that's exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► barbra streisand is as Dolly Levi oh [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► wait that's not right is it [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► russell crowe and Hugh Jackman just for [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► example yeah if they casts a Clint [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► Eastwood as Thomas Jefferson it's a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► totally different movie and not a very [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► good one is paint your wagon will prove [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► you have you have that you have these [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► people that like have like been playing [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► these roles like for hundreds of [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► performances they absolutely are [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► invested the absolutely believe in this [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► as opposed to well I've got nothing book [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► from august through october okay final [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► do this little funny little movie and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► i'll link to the camera effect where my [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► hockey jersey instead of you know that [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► stifling wardrobe that's fine too but [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► there are definitely things that that [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► don't translate well to the to the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► screen that might have worked on the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► stage that last night as I was watching [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► the movie the the the Scottish the the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► guy from Delaware mckean with all it [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► that is just not a character that works [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► for almost a race crime isn't it yeah [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► boots model haha this is visibly that a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► faux hawk I that's that's that's a bit [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► disappointed but I it i think actually [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the the MVP of the movie is Howard [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► dasilva oh absolutely [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► Benjamin Franklin really because I [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► thought he sounded like he was doing a [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► bad imitation of Edwin the entire time [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► that voice of the choice well yes good [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► he really did he was winning it up big [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► yes he was winning it up and I mean the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► whole time when I watched this time I [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► just heard Andy so that I felt he was [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► trying way too hard to make mildly funny [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► things hilarious and for me it went the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► wrong direction [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► the turkey is a noble bird source of [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► sustenance interesting i enjoyed enjoyed [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Franklin but then Franklin is a great [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► character just fundamentally because [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► Franklin himself was a great character [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► and so I kind of like the fact that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► there's this older guy and he's he's [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► kinda back there in the background and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► i'm not sure how much of that is the [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► script and how much of that is just is [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► history into [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► seating his yeah he seemed kind of broad [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► but at the same time there's a lot of [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► broad stuff happening in this movie and [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► and I just enjoyed the character and the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► fact that he's he's he's doing all these [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► matching nations behind-the-scenes you [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► get the sense that you know he's he's [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► he's got it all worked out and and it's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► just sort of like he is that why he's [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► almost like that uh that wise elder [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► figure that you see in some movies who [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► is like he's not in the quarter yes now [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► you understand there's some of that in [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► there too i want to bring something up [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► to which is that I'm i watch the [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► directors cut which is another was one [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► and I'm it seemed to go on in the nicest [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► way interminably so you no longer [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► remember all that much tougher than I [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► thought [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► yeah that's the 1i think that everybody [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► sees now is the one that's three hours [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► long [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► I wonder yes it was released in 2002 so [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► as the 1i saw i'm sure in high school [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► that i saw on you know various like AMC [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► or wherever they showed it that was [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► apparently 20 minutes shorter and I [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► didn't I mean I remember it being a [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► little bit [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► no more clipped and tighten my caucus [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► seems to be that number probably didn't [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► go on that long and so that's that's a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► good recollection replevin seen in this [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► long-term I i have the set that have the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► same reaction to it as I had to the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► abyss where shall I tell the story [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► Oh yep yep the story behind the cuts LOL [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► to finish up I just by saying that I i [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► haven't had the opposite reaction that I [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► always liked this movie but it always [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► seemed a bit choppy where their [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► transitions that didn't make a whole lot [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► of sense and like all white is why why [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► they suddenly excited why do some why [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► does everybody suddenly decide to run [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► out of the room into the street yeah and [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► why did that happen and how and how come [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► and and how come like these two are [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► acting like they had this long [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► conversation that there's an [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► understanding between the two them when [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► they actually restored all those scenes [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► i do i like this movie slide in mind [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► that it was longer but I did think it [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► improved the movie because it really [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► seemed to stick together and also cool [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► cool considerate men what a crime it was [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► to lose that to begin with and here we [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► go into my story so the movie is [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► produced by Jack Warner who is a very [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► close personal friend of President Nixon [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► was the president in nineteen seventies [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► 72 for our younger listeners and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► remember you'll recognize some futurama [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► yes will he be dropping by the podcast [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► later perchance he might be I can do a [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► great diction well let us know when you [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► do is so much yet presidents on it [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► shh don't tell Jack Warner screens the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► the the full cut for the president at [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the White House and Nixon found cool [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► considerate men the number that Andy [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► referred to just as e ve thought an [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► attack on his presidency which it kinda [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► was and he kind of became enraged and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► what Jack Warner said oh we're gonna [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► we're gonna cut that number and they [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► have probably cut some other things for [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► for timing and for apparently they cut [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the hole opening credits each yes yes we [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► used to just start with john adams up in [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► the bell tower as i recall and um and as [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► he's striding down the stairs to the the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► main hall it just says 1776 and they [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► write delay the other credits till the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► end of the picture which I actually [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► thought was a better uh opener [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► agreed yeah i can go with that time for [TS]

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00:25:37 ◼   ► of mine who who I think enjoys the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► musical and he was seen boy that is a [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► weirdly shot seen the cool considerate [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► men it's a it's a good number [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► I don't really much care for the way [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► that I think the actor is Donald madden [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► sings it in the movie it's it's much [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► better on the the Broadway soundtrack [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► but it's just weirdly film it's like I'm [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► havin a freak out in the middle of it is [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► it is a witch is which is the cool [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► considerate men which sequences that [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► that is the the atoms atoms is gone off [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► to new brunswick where the whoring is [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► and and the pencil dickinson sings it [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► gets it gets his song [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► ok this is when they do that little [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► minuet or whatever it is on the on the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► floor yeah with a ride over to the ride [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► never to the left forever to the ride [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► trick for me you know the whole the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► whole movie is really i mean it's clear [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that this is not someone who has shot [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► movies a lot and it's very static and [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► stage ii and then every now and then [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► there's like this moment like that where [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► you're you're suddenly oh I can i yeah [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► and I can make the actors move to [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► oh my god and then he forgets again we [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► have a staircase let's put this song on [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► a staircase it'll actually be dynamic [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► for a moment you you got you gotta [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► wonder like it on what day was the crane [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► finally delivered right because anything [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► that they the crane became so important [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► that they actually tore apart the sound [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► stage at the end to get that final crane [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► shot so that's it and it's also it's [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► also a very like there's this i don't i [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► don't have the terminology for it but [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► there's a style of filmmaking that is [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► absolutely of that time like the late [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► sixties early seventies where you have [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► to have like a shot that begins on a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► flickering candle and then you pull away [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► and then used to bring up a spot that [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► it's you do this this montage where you [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► going to have like a like someone's [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► graduation photo where you've got the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► pensive version of the person and then [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► the same shot different angle of the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► person from wide shots you can see out [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the costume is so it's it's a very it is [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► it is an oddly shot film I'll grant that [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► this is the directors first film as a [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► director is only film as a director he [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► became a TV director of summer some [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► repute some he directed I married dora [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► well there you go and thirty seven [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► episodes of touched by an angel but not [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► in that way so that [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► the number that i can't stand actually [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► is the one that immediately follows a [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► cool considerate men which is mama looks [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► sharp [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► oh god I was wondering why that that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► that was in this movie because Vietnam [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► was happening and why it's a movie and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► thank God that the Liberty Bell was [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► secure because the anvil should have [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► just been dropping throughout that's it [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► i'm at I that why did Nixon uses pull to [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► get that much got that movie out get [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► that song out it's a happy song in the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► stage productions before the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► intermission and so they sing that [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► everyone's delighted to get other seats [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and run and get a drink so i actually [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► saw production of energy its it can be [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► rendered very beautifully the filming of [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► it I think distracted from the it's a [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► very weird song but it can be something [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► incredibly beautifully this the state [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the staging is very very hokey and I [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► think that's what attracts when it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► serves a really good purpose because [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► here we are like being amused by all [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► these people who are butting heads with [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► meanwhile there are people who are [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► legitimately just dying horribly and [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► this is anything here the stakes if they [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► guess wrong here and they commit all of [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► these troops to a prolonged battle [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► they're probably going to lose its not [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► just a simple it we know we know that [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► but what's with the outcome is going to [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► be to sign the Declaration of [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► Independence but this kind of increases [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► mistakes [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this is a movie that demonstrates that [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► you can't really its you can't really [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► introduce something as serious as that [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► in a movie as light as this until you're [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► absolutely certain that the audience is [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► finally with you like molasses to run [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► two slaves and that is anybody there [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► which are two songs that to two numbers [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► that really would seem like on paper [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► when you look when you read the lyrics [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► like the lyrics are so flamboyant and so [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► out there and the idea that here is a [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► muse here is here is a dramatic song was [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► going to sing all about the triangle [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► trade and slavery if they put that the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► beginning of the movie [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► you just wouldn't buy it at all on it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► and if you are encountering either these [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► numbers as YouTube clips and you've not [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► seen the movie [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► it might also seemed just hysterically [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► over theatrical but if you've been in [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► this theater for two hours and you are [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► at this point where you know that the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► this entire fate of a nation depends on [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► this incredibly complicated issue and [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► people coming together [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► that that's when you actually suddenly [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► are really on the edge of your seat with [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the source stuff so i think that i think [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► that the looks model look sharp [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► it might be right at that tipping point [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► where if it had happened a little bit [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► later in the movie it might have had a [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► bigger impact or if they had really the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► director had done it a little bit better [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► you know you're not not done the prom [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► photos style thrilled for the molasses [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► to round two slaves uh I I never really [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► liked that was not know that but give me [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► a moment well because the the gentleman [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► from South Carolina is apparently having [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► some sort of seizure on the floor again [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's not a scene that's very filmed well [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► I i liked it once i bought the the the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► Broadway soundtrack and actually heard [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► it sung there without the the stupid [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► visuals where whereas yeah i think it's [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► a much more powerful song they're there [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► they're kind of disagree with you I i do [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► cid see your point I just disagree [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► this was the movie this is a movie [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► that's being directed by theatrical [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► director so he's going to use the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► African tricks instead of again says [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► cinematography tricks to it whereas i [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► will save and I and I hope you will all [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► agree or you cannot be my friends in or [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► that means that the song that that atoms [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► in franklin and roger sherman and the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► New York ah whose name is escaping me at [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► the moment it's a wonderful song the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► song about the the but Mr Adams but Mr [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Adams thank you that that is that is a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► wonderfully film scene that is a [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► wonderful song that is that is I think [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► that is high comedy and I think it's [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► historically accurate and I enjoy it and [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► if you don't enjoy you're a monster [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► well you have to enjoy it because it's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► it's after 30 minutes of no music and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► music those 30 minutes for my favorite [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► part of the movie to actually I gotta [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► tell you the only thing about that song [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► is you know and I i love it is it is [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► high comedy it's it's a lot of fun [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► it's adorable and I love william daniels [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► but when I was watching it with the boys [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► at the twelve-year-old liked it because [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► they kept going you but you but you but [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► you but I was like alright yeah there i [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► can i can do it that the the pacing of [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► the songs in this is bizarre like there [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► are songs and then there's for their [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► vast deserts where you are watching the [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► drama that is 1776 and then somebody [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► starts to sing in like what 10 right so [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► apparently that that is seen 3 in the [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► music in the state musical and it was [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► called a amongst the cast and crew the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► big three and it was one of the few a [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► Broadway shows where the orchestra [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► actually left the piece because it went [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► on so long without them complain [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► anything that okay we're gonna go get a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► smoke while you guys [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► union rules if if you're not playing for [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► X amount of time you can leave so yeah [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► it is a long long yet but to between [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► songs they claim on the DVD commentary [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► that they tried repeatedly to find a [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► song they can shoehorn in there somehow [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► nothing ever works which I find somewhat [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► hard to believe considering how poorly [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► some of the songs that are actually in [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► the picture it it is just my opinion but [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► that song that's about adverbs could [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► have been shoved in anywhere in the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► movie and have been just as annoying you [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► talk about lolly lolly lolly basically [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► you yours yours yours wow the leaves of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► Virginia they also said that the leaves [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► of rural Virginia was deliberately [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► unbelievably over-the-top specifically [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► so people wouldn't pass out during the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► following 30 minutes I want to ask about [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► Lee speaking of the leaves'll Virginia [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► my note my note here is who is this [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► goofball it is the goddess of broad I [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► mean it's like I kept waiting for the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► sad trombone to appear mr. [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► some might be the jokes obviously [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► annoyingly ridiculously repeatedly isn't [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that exactly like it's not like exactly [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► your dream role if you cannot be like [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► the star of the movie [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► give me one number which i can just [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► absolutely chew up the scenery for [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► three-and-a-half minutes and then riding [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► the wrong horse I ride off never to [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► return [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► that's what you want a good five days of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► filming everybody will like to ask [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► Donald O'Connor make them laugh he's the [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► universe is one big thing and and singin [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► in the rain but that he could have [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► retired right after that well but to to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► put to put it in Music Man terms to put [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► in music me in terms this is the [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► shipoopi of 1770 sure is [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► wow I want to point out something about [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► the singing which is that for having so [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► many male voices and so few female [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► there's not enough harmony [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► I mean I'm not looking for barber shop [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► but the egg is one of the only songs [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► which they do any real close harmony for [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► an extended period a lot of unison [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► there's a lot of sort of chorus but I [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► feel like it under uses the power of the [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► voice practically my first note is that [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► the very personification telling john [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► adams to shut up up to several it uses [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the kind of full chorus singing that [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► works great on stage but I don't think [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► comes across great in a movie just [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► because the sound doesn't play as well I [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► actually had to turn the subtitles on [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► and go back and watch that again so i [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► could figure out what the hell they were [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► saying yeah and then I was quite pleased [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► with this on [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► oh yeah it's funny I made a point that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► people agree with I'm not sure what's [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► going on here [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► this isn't the show no I don't know [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► it'll never happen again that was are [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► those are one moment at a few other [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► notes that of my watching this a line [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► that i liked was the you send US [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► Congress good god was that fair [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► very funny line and I complain about [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► that line for a second [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► yes go ahead right ahead piss on [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► everything i'm going to line up was that [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► fair is somehow pronounced to rhyme with [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► North America and Philadelphia ah and [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that's terrible song right here [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► terrible yes famed of yourself for enjoy [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► no I don't because I thought I thought [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► that was actually a funny little bit so [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► that you're right it was at what price [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► is what you're saying that what comes [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► crimes like that i'm saying that they [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► apparently just wrote down the lyrics [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► and then told the singers make it rhyme [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► I don't care what the word actually [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► sound like I i think it is ace a Syrian [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► indictment of New England accent yeah I [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► think that's it [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► look for New England accent okay more [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► complaints i I'm i also wanted to [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► mention that i really appreciated [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► speaking of Steve mentioned dick jokes [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► earlier i wanted to say that I i really [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► appreciated the various rhode island is [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► in the can Rhode Island passes jokes [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► those were that's that's good stuff ah [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► that was good stuff although I was [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► sorely disappointed that there was never [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► a hancock pond at any point in the film [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► well i got that's in 1972 I think that [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► maybe too far but Rhode Island passes [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► while it [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► rhode island is out in the Privy was [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► that that was a laugh I was a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► laugh-out-loud moments for me I i really [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► i really enjoyed that and then had to [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► explain your kids that that passes is [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► often used for X eliminating a waste [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► material know my kids had abandoned the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► TV long before then [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► yeah I quite like the the secretary I'd [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► forgotten that role entirely it's a [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► weird little part until he has that [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► strange Muhammad vs I think General [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► Washington is writing to be thinking [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► this man has lost it [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► now don't you love the one where he [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► keeps getting interrupted every time he [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► tries the president of the three the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► resolution so just let me get through [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► what it is very very forgotten role I [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► think I IE he always reminds me of [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► Johnny from airplane yeah like for most [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► of the movie he's basically scenery but [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► he comes in for a few good pops [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► yeah I quite like the argument between [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► atoms and dickinson where the exchanges [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► I believe fribble madman landlord and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► lawyer [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► oh yeah and lawyers the one that finally [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► pushes john adams over the edge [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► that's too far just a game to him bridge [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► too far but what the hell is a fribble [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► it's it's what you get it [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► friendly's the frontal with rebels I [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► think that's the app yeah i like i like [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► that new jersey that the guys from New [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► Jersey show up just in time and it's [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like oh yeah oh who are we right you [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► don't even know a working Jersey where [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► the guys from New Jersey are we really [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► 40 minutes into this before we mentioned [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that's the governor from Benson I like [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the fact that governor Gatling is in [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► this and that he is exactly the same [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► character as he is in benson and it was [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it was weird because I lived in [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► Princeton for years so everything was [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► John Witherspoon this and John [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Witherspoon that and witherspoon street [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► and witherspoon bookstore and it was [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► like oh wait a minute of course he was a [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► real person and he was the governor [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► pence [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► there's a there's a there's the the [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► Bartlett who is the namesake of of the [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► west wing character is referenced here [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► to who is actually well yeah the the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► thing that that really struck me this [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► time because i had seen it before [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► was that Aaron Sorkin must have watched [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► this not just proved Bartlett switches [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► for the mac machinations and the sort of [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► wheeling and dealing and it just [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► reminded me of the west wing a lot and I [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► also also 12 Angry Men yeah that's [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that's true yeah I like we're for [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► singling out like what the really [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► beautiful like a little lines i always [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► come back to Lyman Hall of Georgia said [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► when asked about asked about his [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► inventive but worries where he stands on [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► an independent say well the Georgia [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► split right down the middle the people [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► are against it and I'm for it [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► yeah but that's really good and I really [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► loved um our rebellion is always legal [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► their rebellion is never legal I thought [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that was really great [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► I think my favorite to Lyon moment in [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the film was probably right at the end [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► where they actually pass in dependency [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► and rather than have a huge celebration [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► Adams just sits down and says it's done [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► it's done and that's that's a really [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► great moment because between the look on [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► his face and the seven gallons of fake [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► sweat that somebody sprayed around you [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► you really feel his sudden realization [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► of old crap what did I just get us into [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► as in my version they'd freeze frame it [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► and play journeys any way you want [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► I don't know you're confusing 1776 with [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► Caddyshack again it's coming [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► mistake so now I i have to say though it [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► in terms of in terms of inspiring fourth [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► of July kind of patriotic moments the [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► fact that the the vote that puts it over [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► the top is Wilson and the only reason he [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► votes the way he does is because he'll [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► be remembered as the guy who stopped if [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► he doesn't but if he says yes no one [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► will remember him quite an accusation a [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► movie hehe got it wrong but but whatever [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► reason to vote that way but that's [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► that's the thing pushes over the top is [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► I don't want to stand in the way of this [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► thing and be known as the guy who stood [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► in the way of it so I vote yes well in [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► partially surely some of that is just [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► because he's tired dickinson pushing him [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► assuming he takes it for granted right [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► Pennsylvania's but it's just a block and [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► it always votes Pennsylvania and [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► Dickinson is the voice there and then [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► all of a sudden it on it unravels at the [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► end which is a nice little hidden trap [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► door in the plot right of course Adams [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► has had sent Franklin off to try and get [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► that vote so when presumes that maybe [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► there was some you know he said that [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► Franklin would often planted a little [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► seed in his mind if I may if I may to [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► speak to the kids out there from hello [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► kids I'm not sure what you should allow [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► it but go ahead all out my kids I'm Phil [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► I'm i may look like a bright guy i'm not [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► a very bright guy but I i know enough to [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► read a bit and if you would like to [TS]

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00:42:31 ◼   ► wilson and also people not featured in [TS]

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00:42:42 ◼   ► live in today offer not valid two people [TS]

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00:44:44 ◼   ► thought it was interesting that it it [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► again you've mentioned the Vietnam and [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► Nixon references in this in this movie I [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► think that also because obviously as [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► where this movie is made by people in [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► the seventies [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► and I it is knowledgeable about American [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► history that the and this is true but [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the speed bump at the end is the is the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► slavery question which has much more [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► weight knowing what would happen 90 [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► years hence and so I thought that was [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► really i thought that was a really [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► interesting point we get the the Roman [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► slaves song although that is totally not [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► John column singing that song and if no [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► it is no it can't be can't what what hey [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► it's nothing it sounds so unlike his [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► speaking voice that it will then then [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► I'm very confused because he's not doing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► a fake accent during it is amazing [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► ok so then i would say this then then [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► this is my complaint is he he [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► modulated too much between that song and [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► his speaking voice in the movie to the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► point where it is unrecognisable as the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► same guy [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► i'll give you that it's like this is the [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► recording session voice and this is the [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► one I'm on the set voice and it's just [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► that it took me out of it too but that's [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► it that's it and that is a crazy musical [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► number but i did find that was a [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► surprising amount of weight like to andy [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► said at that point in the movie it's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► able to bear down with that level of [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► weight of like this is a thing that had [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► to happen in order for the for the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► declaration to happen but that baked the [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► Civil War basically into the country [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► from the start and it was going to be a [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► problem eventually and I liked that was [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► in there I thought the moment was strong [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► but the song was just so so over the top [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that it just took me out of it [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► EMU's he's singing a perfectly fine song [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► and then just suddenly he descends into [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► go ya know how that's the entire point [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► of it with it breaks us to break up the [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► middle begs for god sakes man because [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► he's really trying to wind people up and [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► saying look you've been spending this [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► entire debate try to make us feel bad [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► for being 4 being slave-owners why don't [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► you just admit that you're part of the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► problem to screw you right picture that [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► moment the theater where he's doing that [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► and people 19 studio the 1960s late [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► sixties early seventies being confronted [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► with that kind of presentation there was [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► nothing like that [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► being presented at that time everything [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► else there's you know is so I think [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► we've been a powerful moment the theater [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► less so in the films by then and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► certainly the theater now [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► yeah and he is amazing onstage use in [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► here's the villain you're in town a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► couple years ago I got again not what [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► we're if if he was on Broadway in the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► show you're in town which won a Tony and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► Pulitzer real show save he's not making [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► it up [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► I i saw Brent fault and yes and and and [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► he's lovely in it but if you only know [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► him from northern exposure than the only [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► time you saw him sing was like in the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► Christmas episode where heatsink oh holy [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► night with this very modulated angelic [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► voice yeah and everyone would go hopping [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► can sing there's a lot of people like [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that was the blame do all the guy who [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► plays mcnair like that the custodian he [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► is one of these like legendary Broadway [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► guys who's just been and every single [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► thing you've ever heard of but I was [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► served [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► what am I saw the man who came to dinner [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the maiden the nation lane production [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► that was so funny is like oh look it's [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► the guy from 1776 the best we actually [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► looked for his background ago he's been [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► essentially in every single play [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► he's like he's easily is like having a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it like how pixar can't do a movie about [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► John Ratzenberger if you wanted to have [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► success successful play you have to have [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► William dwell in there somewhere i [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► record I recognized him sooner than I [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► recognize william daniels is william [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► william daniels looks a little different [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► but that guy's look the same for 40 [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► years and I I think he's featured in [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► quite a few sitcoms and TV shows along [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► the way that guy was born old I think he [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► was the the snitch on police squad [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► yes now here's Johnny he was Johnny and [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► he was in one flew over the cuckoo's [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► nest one of my favorite movie was born [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► in 1923 we died three years ago now so [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► but he still that's very sad thank you [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► for bringing that up Colin and there [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► hasn't been a Broadway hit send everyone [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► in this film is now dad to sit down [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► through except that's quite untrue true [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► John Adams days by dresser is dead can [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► however is much alive [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► william daniels still kick and wine [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► mr. B I never noticed in the white [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► shadow but ken ken Howard was a fine [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► specimen of a man he was no seriously [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► think that maybe the ponytail is what [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► what finally pushed him over the top is [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► ok this is I'm going I'm going to tell [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► this is this is how far back i go with [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► 1776 I used to have I grew ponytail in [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► college it wasn't because of 1776 but [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► when it occurred to what occurred to me [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► that like now that now that I was like [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► it now that I was in college I I could [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► act apply for my ponytail license I [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► thought man John Adams look pretty good [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► in that ponytail i'm going to all that [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► give me the coverage to not get haircuts [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► for 20 years that is who you based your [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► look around with john adams know if [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► somebody came up to you and said man why [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► you were in that ponytail you'd say hey [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► it looks great musical exactly the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► person i had you know it's it's it's a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► long time federalist I but also help [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► I'll tell you another thing like ever it [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► she also helped me to get through like [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► New England summers because you know [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► youryour it's 93 degrees and your sod [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you're sweating and then you're feeling [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► like all kinds of self pity for yourself [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► because you don't have air-conditioning [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and it really did turn my head around a [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► little bit to realize that well how do [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► they do that in 1776 like in real time [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► as well they were ten layers of well and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► data simply didn't complain about it [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► oh that's right I'm just I'm just [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► feeling it twice as bad because i'm [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► complaining about it all day i'll just [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► suffer in silence and go forward [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► yes they also died at 38 so there is [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► that I i will say that's about the the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► movie there there's a problem I think [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► with movie musicals where people [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► suddenly break into song and it has this [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► the sense this that the sense of not not [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► real about it that takes you right out [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► of the movie and and to its credit 1776 [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► with the bright colors that everyone [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► wears and the costuming and the way that [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► the movie is filmed apart from the [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► scenes that we mentioned that we thought [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► the director did not do service to the [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► material i think that it works it it as [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► a movie you don't go [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► why are these people suddenly singing [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► this is this is this is crazy talk in a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► way that it wouldn't work another [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► musical [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► I don't know if I agree with that means [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► that that's the convention of a musical [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► these results also the convention that [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► while my eyes just didn't just I didn't [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► have a stroke and wake up and suddenly [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► i'm looking at something else now wait [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► there's a cut there oh that's not [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► necessary that natural you start class [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► over it but it is it is part of the [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► magic of musicals that either it works [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► for you or it doesn't and it is [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► incredible that you can think that your [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► friend stare is going to start like [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► dancing about getting a shot at getting [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► a shoeshine and it will feel like its [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► most natural thing from to do in the [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► world but in any other musical you have [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► you know adam sandler try to open a can [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► of olives and all my don't buy that at [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► you can either you can either buy into [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► what the movie is selling or the movie [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► can be so removed from reality that you [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► don't even need to buy in because it's [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► so stage and theatrical that of course [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► they're going to sing i think is that's [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► how i would i would decode what Phil [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► said and that's sort of how I feel [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► you're either completely engrossed and [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► you'll go anywhere will take you or that [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► you know when 1776 I feel like this is [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► the way it is i feel like i'm in a [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► theater it's it's completely unreal the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► part of my brain that would be saying [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► what wait a second why are they singing [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► has been turned off because it's not [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► that kind of movie where whereas movies [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► from a from a generation earlier of 1776 [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► had do this very stage ii very we're [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► doing a movie about the business we call [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► show and so we're all going to sing now [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► which I think segues nicely into Yankee [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► Doodle Dandy and I make my final [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► statement about 1776 before we go [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► yes this is your last last-chance and [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► then we'll never speak in a pot shots I [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► really disliked all of the songs in this [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► wow that is all [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► ya comi you're basically gonna drop a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► deuce then walk away from it that's what [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► you doing walking away i'm 10 open up a [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► win we all liked the book of this movie [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► you like the actual spoken non-sunni [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► part here are two sentences i wrote down [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► while watching this this is the only [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► musical I've ever seen where I like the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► dialogue but hate the songs allowed who [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► is so wrong and then i wrote down [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► wait I no longer like the dialogue so [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that the songs are full of allegedly [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► funny voices and forced Rhymes and I did [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► not buy them for a second [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► thanks i right are only light [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► extemporaneous I won't put politics on [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► paper it's a mania so I refuse to use [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► the pen in Pennsylvania you're right [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► doesn't scan at all [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► David what you're gonna say something I [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► mean talking about just people breaking [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► out into song the one of the things that [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► I like in this that I don't like from a [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► lot of musicals in that late sixties [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► early seventies period is that this one [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► kind of gets be we always get trained [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► that if you're going to write a musical [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► the the only way for to really work as [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► if these people have no other choice but [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► to sing their their passions their their [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► situations are just so intense and so [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► dramatic that there's nothing left to do [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► but sing and dance and and I I kind of [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► see that in this i kinda like how it [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► just sort of comes out it's not like oh [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► we're going to do a number now for the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► most part [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► some of them yeah it's hey let's do a [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► number i'm so excited about meeting pin [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► sent back home I must think about it it [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► well that's that would be one that does [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► not quite work do you know how hard it [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► was to make pins instead we got my [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► monograph and i'll read it to you you [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► know Jefferson Jefferson had some of the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► slave starting to make nails at his [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► plantation and boy it turned into a [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► quite a nice little little business for [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► okay we're gonna go around we're going [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► to go around to the whole group and give [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► a verdict on this one because i feel i [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► feel like we are very much split on this [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► which is very unlike the fourth of July [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► when as we've been clear everybody must [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► agree on everything so this is terrible [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► David Laura what is your verdict on this [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► 1i I liked it up until the bond music at [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► the very last moment [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► wow ok it's it's really weird it just [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► feels like it's gonna you know it's like [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► Roger Sherman will return in 1776 to [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► articles of Confederate see as the bill [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► is rigged against this intense no [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► dramatic and then you just expect the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► bond theme and opening credits to start [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► like we [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► the minute you expect me to talk [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► Goldfinger no expect you to revolt Mr [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► Bond [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► so I Phil Phil you've you've sort of [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► elaborated hear that you you have liked [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► it and seemed to like it lasts every [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► time you see it i think it is a fine [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► movie to watch every other july 4th if [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► that's your thing that's your jam if you [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► like crap than you no no no no I as I [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► was saying it's fun [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► they're probably like 10 12 15 musicals [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► I'd watch before this one if you put [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► them in front of me but you know every [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► every couple years if that you you're [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► feeling a certain spirit around july 4th [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► this is not a bad movie to watch it's an [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► enjoyable lark all right Monty you you [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► made your you made your feelings fairly [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► clear I think barely made it through [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► honestly and don't blame the era because [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► there are good plays and musicals being [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► done around this time to hi Margie I [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► President Nixon and i agree with you [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► Steve your thoughts your verdict [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► I would like to have stained courteously [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► haha very nice now I'm not gonna do that [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► I'm going to actually say that I really [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► liked it and I was shocked because I'd [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► never heard of this before it was [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► assigned as homework and I sat down and [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► and there was a very broad john adams [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► dialogue at the top and then a song that [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► I didn't really understand and it seemed [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► a little overwrought but once I settled [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► into the whole spirit of the thing I [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► really enjoyed it i was highly [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► entertained was not annoyed by Howard [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► dasilva I I thought william daniels was [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► superb [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► I owe money to my Booker is his sarcasm [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► and his it just the constant dear God [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► stuff was sleeping and I i actually I [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► side a little bit with Monty and that i [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► actually enjoyed the book better than I [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► enjoyed the songs [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► because I felt like they were sort of [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► interrupting the flow of the thing there [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► was some talk on the on the DVD [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► commentary that some people had said [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► when they when they witnessed the [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► 30-minute Gulf without without music [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► that's it somewhat suggestive maybe [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► should have just been a play and I i [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► kind of right side on that side and yet [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► nobody would know what 1776 was if it [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► had music so it's probably a good thing [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► that they did but I yeah I was [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► surprisingly entertained by it and we'll [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► probably watch again [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► all right Glenn you you have like this [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► you still like it after watching it [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► again I i do I have a very very brief [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► comments first i've listened to the [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► soundtrack many times over the years and [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► I think the soundtrack by itself without [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► visual accompaniment or the book holds [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► up very well it's fun [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the soundtrack is fun and it's got ups [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► and downs but you know that the darker [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► song so forth but it's a powerful [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► soundtrack allow it [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► ok second i think the movie is more [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► boring than I remember because there are [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► a lot of sort of it's a little bit of [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► the the Federation is at warriors train [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► a trade found a federation it's like a [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► lot of money out that does not advance [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► they must be Giants Jason it does not [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► advance the plot as much as one eats too [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► with the complexity what's going on but [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► I think it's and it's it's it's good to [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► watch and I think the staging is odd but [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► I enjoyed seeing the film the third [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► brief comment is this musical opened a [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► little bit about a year before sometimes [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► company and I think that 1776 is [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► practically the populace of this kind of [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► musical when you think about it i've [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► seen stage once quite well and will [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► reasonably well and the kind of musical [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► it is a sort of fiddler on the roof and [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► that sort of long ago 20 plus your [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► stretch of this sort of thing [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► this is kind of I don't know there were [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► ones after this but this is an [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► incredibly great outing of that sort and [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► then entire musical theater really [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► changes dramatically like you know [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► months after it opens well it's also [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► three [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► three [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► there's after cabaret so you like [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► musicals had already started shifting [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► dicaprio as much I thought company have [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► a bigger impact his cabaret told a [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► linear story just more you know more [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► avant-garde I suppose also call so [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► company's failure remember being [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► separate 1,000,000 counties but [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► everything sprung I know but having [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► sprung from that company broke the [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► theater that broke it in little night [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► music and I mean sometime really just [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► blew it up in this in the early [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► seventies and then Sweeney Todd kind of [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► that took it to the next level [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► yeah so I just think as a historical [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► thing like just both what what this is [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► like it that last moment at which this [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► is what everyone thinks of this musical [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► theater tip you're listening to musical [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► theater and obviously you have great [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► affection for this movie and and have [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► expressed it so i think i know your [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► verdict exactly i'll it's because it's [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► you don't always continue to like the [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► movies that you like to the kids [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► sometimes you're sometimes you're a [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► little bit embarrassed about it and [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► sometimes you still like it but you [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► acknowledge how much of that is wrapped [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► up in austell georgia but I can say that [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► I still legitimately enjoy this movie [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► every time i see is one of the few [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► movies I've actually bought digitally [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► because i want to have it on my devices [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► but it it when I think one of the things [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► that I appreciate apart from liking it [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► is that I i think it's a damn shame that [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► the most legendary Broadway casts the [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► most important productions you can think [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► of they're just dead they just go away [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► because the original cast goes away [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► there is no that you can if you think [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► it's very modern ages there there [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► videotape so if you go to a certain [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► library you might be able to see it but [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► you will never be able to see what Hello [TS]