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15: The Moltzphone EXTREMO III DX, with John Moltz


00:00:00   I'm nervous let me tell you why I'm

00:00:02   nervous John Smoltz lay down thinkin

00:00:04   thinkin here's what I'm thinking I'm

00:00:06   thinking maybe we talked a little

00:00:08   politics

00:00:09   oh wow here's what I'm thinking is what

00:00:12   I'm thinking

00:00:13   did you watch did you watch Bill Clinton

00:00:14   last night at the convention I i watched

00:00:16   a lot of it it was long and here's why

00:00:19   we can talk about it and nobody can

00:00:21   complain

00:00:22   Steve Jobs his wife laureen Powell Jobs

00:00:24   was there in the audience and the

00:00:27   shoulder on TV did you catch that I did

00:00:29   not see that part she was sitting next

00:00:31   to right next to chelsea clinton ok so

00:00:35   that makes it on topic I suppose so if

00:00:38   you want to go there

00:00:39   I you know what i would like to do it in

00:00:42   a way can you do it in a way can we can

00:00:44   I praise bill clinton in a way that is a

00:00:48   political out that even if you were

00:00:51   you're at happy talk show listener who

00:00:53   loves the tech talk and and and really

00:00:55   loves it when I talk sports

00:00:57   ah can we talk politics in a way that

00:01:00   wouldn't turn anybody off regardless of

00:01:02   how you intend to vote or your interest

00:01:04   in union i know i believe we cannot do

00:01:07   it but but but I'm willing to try and

00:01:10   prevent all i want to say is that I it i

00:01:13   just think Bill Clinton is is is the

00:01:16   greatest speaker I've ever seen in my

00:01:17   life

00:01:17   it was really it seems to me that have

00:01:19   been the best speech of any of the

00:01:22   anything so far we've seen the last two

00:01:24   weeks right if I were including

00:01:26   including motorola nokia like I have a

00:01:29   dual interest in politics where on the

00:01:32   one side i'm interested in politics it

00:01:38   on a policy level you know like like

00:01:40   what actually happens in which way it

00:01:42   goes in there tend to be sort of liberal

00:01:44   in that way but i'm also very interested

00:01:47   in politics as sport you know that the

00:01:51   the election politics and the strategy

00:01:53   and how you frame stuff and and how you

00:01:55   make the commercials and and do that and

00:01:58   in that way i can abstract my personal

00:02:01   preferences i think to some degree and

00:02:04   appreciate when Republicans do things

00:02:07   clever cleverly or smartly and

00:02:09   and you know like i said i would I

00:02:11   remember from the last decade is

00:02:13   thinking that Karl Rove I just remember

00:02:16   thinking man I man i wish that guy were

00:02:17   a Democrat yeah because that guy that

00:02:21   guy with this was crafting yeah i can i

00:02:24   can respect it i can't say that i enjoy

00:02:26   it

00:02:27   yeah enjoying it is a little bit yeah I

00:02:29   can appreciate it maybe that's the right

00:02:31   term pain I and I would be depressed I i

00:02:34   would be very depressed i think if i

00:02:36   were a Republican this time around

00:02:37   because it doesn't seem to me like

00:02:39   they've got anybody like that like that

00:02:42   they don't have a strategy or a cohesive

00:02:44   pneus right they sort of remind me that

00:02:46   I thought they could their convention

00:02:48   reminded me of the the the first

00:02:51   democratic conventions that i can

00:02:53   remember paying attention to like the

00:02:55   Dukakis one in 88 where the reputation

00:02:57   of the Democrats is that they're all

00:02:59   sort of all over the map and they don't

00:03:01   really have a playbook for the whole

00:03:03   party that everybody sticks to it

00:03:05   everybody just gets up there and says

00:03:07   whatever they want right and the

00:03:09   Democrats seem to turn to turn around

00:03:11   we're at I think with the carry

00:03:13   convention they were the ones that look

00:03:15   sort of hapless and yeah well now it

00:03:18   seems that to be really firing on all

00:03:22   cylinders and just they have like a very

00:03:24   simple message that everybody repeat

00:03:26   right right there's only one to say okay

00:03:29   is that I don't think I would know

00:03:32   accidentally to see that's fine right i

00:03:34   dunno i am very curious to see if if if

00:03:36   I get it

00:03:37   any angry and I'm sure you will I'm

00:03:40   writing one right now

00:03:46   what a week it's been crazy man

00:03:48   everybody's releasing these phones but

00:03:49   there ya like I don't you think i don't

00:03:51   know if you saw Twitter this morning but

00:03:53   my i'm also releasing a phone which

00:03:57   because you gotta you know if you want

00:04:00   to think yeah if you want to control

00:04:01   your own future your own destiny

00:04:04   you really have to have your own phone

00:04:05   right and i think it just makes sense

00:04:08   for someone who is a freelance writer to

00:04:11   have their own phone right because i

00:04:13   have i have a lot of content so anyway

00:04:17   the name given name for yeah it's the

00:04:20   it's the most phone extremo

00:04:23   3dx seen I don't think that's a good

00:04:26   night and it's all it's all in capital

00:04:27   letters so that's what makes a good name

00:04:32   do you do you spelled when you when

00:04:36   you're right on your site and you have

00:04:37   control over you know an editor do you

00:04:39   spell the morn words like razor all caps

00:04:42   like if they ask me to like Motorola's

00:04:45   style and try not to slow them at all

00:04:47   but i would probably spell the rate

00:04:52   razor part i don't know what I don't

00:04:54   know why I mean I try to avoid it

00:04:56   it's just seems really douchey but uh it

00:05:01   does seem like the razor brand you know

00:05:04   back when I had a razor flip phone

00:05:07   yeah that seemed like it was that was

00:05:08   all capitalized or something I don't

00:05:10   capitalize I don't capital don't

00:05:12   capitalize and the app there might be an

00:05:14   exception somewhere but if somebody asks

00:05:16   for their word to be spelled all caps I

00:05:17   don't I don't do that that's probably

00:05:19   that's probably better I mean unless

00:05:21   it's an acronym your exact just if it is

00:05:24   reducing planning an attack from

00:05:25   dominating and you're just playing a

00:05:27   dumb game they're playing right

00:05:29   I like I think it but it sometimes it's

00:05:32   hard to figure out how to spell it

00:05:35   otherwise and i'll give you a good

00:05:37   example here's a good example and I

00:05:40   often i think if you looked at the

00:05:42   daring fireball archives if you went

00:05:44   through i think it was probably one of

00:05:45   the room hopefully rare places where

00:05:47   i've been inconsistent is next

00:05:51   yeah and and even worse they're

00:05:55   operating system next step

00:05:57   yeah which they used to spell all caps

00:05:59   except the e was lower case and that's

00:06:02   how they spot the company name next and

00:06:04   you know uppercase and lowercase ee

00:06:06   uppercase X uppercase T which was sort

00:06:11   of like a very eighties way of looking

00:06:14   tacky right but it's against my style

00:06:19   guide you know and i think that you know

00:06:21   one of the reasons they do it is like a

00:06:22   shameless attempt at getting some extra

00:06:25   you know like if somebody scanning a

00:06:28   webpage or you know even going back

00:06:29   further print remember print Bigley

00:06:33   it's a way of gaining attention you know

00:06:36   that it makes this word pop out you know

00:06:38   when you see razor it's gonna pop out

00:06:40   because the letters are all or all

00:06:42   higher

00:06:43   likewise I don't I don't I don't use the

00:06:46   ! in yahoo's name

00:06:48   yeah i should write that I had a

00:06:52   long-standing draft i have a meeting

00:06:55   like I'm getting your hair style guide

00:06:56   sort of i wanted to write I just about

00:07:00   all these things you know yeah sort of

00:07:02   about my policies on punctuation and you

00:07:05   know

00:07:06   yeah my own personal style guide but

00:07:09   it's that the draft the title of the

00:07:11   draft

00:07:12   I don't even know if I said I'll say it

00:07:13   because i just spent at least eight

00:07:15   years now that's folder so I'm probably

00:07:17   never gonna do but if the title is why i

00:07:20   want bang yahoo it also occurs to me i

00:07:28   had a ride but anyway I won't go I won't

00:07:31   give them the ! because it's not you

00:07:36   know you can't do that right but then

00:07:38   people people people hollering many

00:07:39   people get mad talking a little bit like

00:07:45   my dad because I had spent some time at

00:07:47   the shore with my folks and I did my dad

00:07:49   what will we use the verb aller to say

00:07:51   that somebody's angry at you but people

00:07:54   hollered at me about spelling Apple's

00:08:00   products not the way Apple spells feel

00:08:02   like when I spell mac mini I capitalize

00:08:04   the m instead of all lower so long as

00:08:07   it's a name it's somebody's name if

00:08:11   somebody like the writer

00:08:13   her name is Dana Boyd she you know

00:08:17   stylistically icon your own site and

00:08:18   stuff prefers to spell her entire name

00:08:20   with lowercase letters but if i write

00:08:22   about her i capitalized her name like I

00:08:24   would anybody else's just to be

00:08:26   consistent like to me your name is a

00:08:29   series of letters your name you don't

00:08:30   get to choose which ones are capitalized

00:08:32   we capitalized them that according to a

00:08:34   set of rules but then the the iphone is

00:08:38   also my life well it right and that's

00:08:42   what people do people say i'm being a

00:08:44   hypocrite because I always lower case

00:08:45   the eye

00:08:46   in an eye product no matter where it

00:08:49   falls like the beginning of a sentence

00:08:50   on a headline or something like that

00:08:52   ah and one reason for that is that it

00:08:55   just looks stupid when it's it really

00:08:57   looks awful when you capitalize it and

00:09:01   have you ever seen yeah I'm sometimes in

00:09:02   the new york times you see it and it's

00:09:04   capitalized at the beginning of a

00:09:05   sentence or something yes to some extent

00:09:07   does and the other reason is that and I

00:09:10   guess just to explain my reluctance to

00:09:13   do something so ugly I have justified it

00:09:15   by saying by telling myself that it's a

00:09:18   prefix sort of like like a Scottish or

00:09:24   Irish surname with the MCE rmac where

00:09:28   there's this it now there are they

00:09:29   started with the end but or like the

00:09:31   somebody's name you put an apostrophe in

00:09:34   there alright put my appliance in your

00:09:37   phone somebody or somebodies name has a

00:09:39   de in it you know John the molt and the

00:09:43   DEA is low race well then that's ok it's

00:09:45   like it's like a prefix I'm gonna

00:09:49   consider the eye and those names to be

00:09:51   like that and also the lower case I it's

00:09:53   not obnoxious it doesn't like that the !

00:09:55   in yahoo to me is obnoxious when I see

00:09:57   it in the middle of a sentence it is the

00:10:00   all uppercase razor is just obnoxious

00:10:03   and Emma into the the funds that they

00:10:06   announced yesterday

00:10:08   it's just it's ridiculous they're all

00:10:10   through all uppercase three phones then

00:10:14   I i can't remember the names of thought

00:10:16   my head right now but i can't you're all

00:10:18   yeah which is another sign that it's not

00:10:21   exactly working for him

00:10:23   motorola razr droid maxx yeah one of

00:10:28   them is the max one of them's the am and

00:10:30   then the other ones like the maxx HD or

00:10:33   something

00:10:33   no no no it's the droid HD ones ones

00:10:36   just the HD and one of the HD Magnus and

00:10:39   max has a at least 3 x's yeah but not on

00:10:45   your case

00:10:45   no they are uppercase OE even the max

00:10:49   yeah if you look at their website anyway

00:10:51   if you look at the product website they

00:10:53   are actually uppercase O now I gotta go

00:10:56   gotta go

00:10:59   I think you're palla Paris lemon and ing

00:11:06   and I suppose he had a post on tumblr

00:11:08   yesterday but I have anything after look

00:11:11   at that yeah very hard to see

00:11:14   well here's a site this site that I link

00:11:17   to yesterday I at laptop mag now there's

00:11:21   their spelling it their spelling razor

00:11:23   uppercase but not max uppercase but HD

00:11:27   is uppercase of course because it's an

00:11:29   accurate but i don't know maybe you're

00:11:32   right the motorola spells it differently

00:11:34   yeah I know because I he had mentioned

00:11:35   that i went to their product page and it

00:11:37   looks like they are spelling it's all

00:11:42   uppercase yeah that's really going to

00:11:45   help it it's like their eyes like

00:11:48   they're yelling at you i wrote about

00:11:51   this that I I don't understand why they

00:11:55   have the two versions of the HD the one

00:11:58   max in the non max because they're both

00:12:00   big phones they both have big batteries

00:12:02   it's not like hey this one has a free if

00:12:05   you know for those of you who really

00:12:06   burned through batteries in a day

00:12:08   here's the one we're going to just make

00:12:09   it heavier and put a big battery and for

00:12:11   you and here's the regular one

00:12:13   it seems it's not like here's a regular

00:12:15   battery is a big battery it's here's a

00:12:16   big thick battery and here's one with

00:12:18   the bigger literally thicker battery now

00:12:20   it doesn't see it just seems to me like

00:12:22   they couldn't decide and so they just

00:12:24   shipped them both

00:12:25   I don't understand why both of those

00:12:28   phones exist whereas the M seems like

00:12:30   it's obviously different it's smaller

00:12:32   and it's cheaper

00:12:33   yeah so i can see why it exists there's

00:12:38   a lot going on there and understand is

00:12:42   an idea and I mean the whole thing I

00:12:44   don't understand why motor or by google

00:12:48   I kind of understand what the bottom

00:12:51   I mean given where they are now but I

00:12:55   still don't understand I just don't

00:12:56   understand android you know i don't i

00:12:59   don't either i don't understand it and

00:13:01   and the announcement trying to follow

00:13:02   along with the announcement yesterday I

00:13:04   mean I wasn't watching the video I mean

00:13:06   I was just watching like live blog

00:13:08   covers and stuff I did I got confused at

00:13:10   several points

00:13:11   and I do i was surprised i guess i

00:13:14   shouldn't be maybe I should have taken

00:13:15   google at their word when they said that

00:13:17   they were kind of going to leave

00:13:19   motorola alone that they weren't gonna

00:13:21   lie I just couldn't believe it because

00:13:23   why would you spend billions of dollars

00:13:24   to buy motorola if you weren't gonna run

00:13:27   on the way you wanna to be run and yet

00:13:30   that doesn't seem like what they're

00:13:31   doing like they're still putting like

00:13:33   custom motorola skins on the phones i

00:13:35   mean they're saying I saw a lot of the

00:13:37   coverage of it says that its toned down

00:13:39   that the skin is not as much on top of

00:13:43   pure Android 4.2 hours as you know

00:13:47   previous motorola phones but it's still

00:13:50   there and I don't understand because I

00:13:53   get google I I thought google has been

00:13:54   pretty explicit that they kind of want

00:13:56   to discourage that they would like more

00:13:57   phone makers to ship android like with a

00:14:01   consistent you know everybody gets it

00:14:03   yeah and also seems like they're

00:14:05   shipping a slightly older very are they

00:14:07   are still I think this is think they did

00:14:09   say that it would get the most

00:14:11   up-to-date version but it if you know

00:14:13   which was of course they have to say

00:14:14   that which is kind of fraud but yeah if

00:14:17   they're not shipping on the absolute

00:14:18   latest version and here's the thing that

00:14:20   drove me nuts yesterday and I seriously

00:14:22   I I i wasted at least an hour and it

00:14:25   with this combined with the Lumia ones

00:14:27   trying to find the prices of these

00:14:29   things and on me like a dummy thought

00:14:32   well there must be somewhere and I just

00:14:35   thought well maybe the do you know the

00:14:37   coverages it's just so much news going

00:14:39   on that none of these sites you know

00:14:41   maybe they just haven't noticed that

00:14:42   they haven't reported and so I just

00:14:43   loading and gadget and then the verge

00:14:46   and i think i even went to gizmodo at

00:14:49   one point I don't know I black down and

00:14:52   I'm like I want to get here and went to

00:14:53   the motorola site and nobody has prices

00:14:56   right am I right or am I wrong that

00:14:58   there's I believe how many phones were

00:14:59   announced yesterday five because be

00:15:02   motorola announced three and right and

00:15:05   there were two yeah there were two

00:15:07   Lumias and price there was only one

00:15:11   price announced and that was as far as i

00:15:13   know and that was for the m which is any

00:15:16   which 199 that

00:15:17   and I but the that none of the other

00:15:19   phones are shipping it right so which is

00:15:23   more than iphones announced yesterday

00:15:25   aren't know we have no ship dates yet

00:15:27   and we have no prices right right the

00:15:30   other end the other two phones now we've

00:15:31   got the Lumia 9200 and the Lumia 80 no

00:15:38   no not 920 and the Lumia 820 and the a20

00:15:45   looks to me like a nicer sighs I got

00:15:47   really i'm not a fan of those bigger

00:15:50   phones I've tried carrying some of those

00:15:52   around and and I just don't care for

00:15:54   them and the Lumia that I got to try

00:15:56   last year the that was the impetus the

00:15:59   800 is like exactly iphone shaped more

00:16:03   or less you know

00:16:05   yeah really really close and I found it

00:16:07   to be delightful to put my pocket and to

00:16:09   carry that filter those are fairly

00:16:14   good-looking phones i'm not a big fan of

00:16:16   the bright colors but I had taken their

00:16:18   lack yeah but you can't block right

00:16:20   right but it just seems like spec-wise

00:16:24   that the Lumia the new 820 is really

00:16:27   like low-end like it's it's old tech

00:16:30   it's really like a low res screen

00:16:32   I like the 800 x 480 a few pixels and

00:16:36   whatever it is to make it 16 x nine but

00:16:39   it's like an 800 x 480 pixel screen

00:16:41   whereas the 920 as like what I can 1200

00:16:46   or 1280 by 768 screen like it's it's

00:16:50   actually got more pixels per inch than

00:16:53   the iphone 4s I quite like two or three

00:16:56   like 326 pixels per inch for the apples

00:16:59   Retina display and it's like 330 or 333

00:17:02   or something like that on this new Lumia

00:17:04   which sounds that sounds great I can't

00:17:06   wait to see it

00:17:07   are you a rocking horse I am her son

00:17:12   some idea are you a boom mic i do yeah

00:17:15   i'm only getting started so yes I think

00:17:18   I hear it's alright it's ok i'm just

00:17:20   very nervous i know i know yeah I

00:17:22   understand it's okay still is in lots of

00:17:24   coffee i'm sure

00:17:25   mmm i just took a sip yeah but anyway so

00:17:30   they announced the phone

00:17:31   where the software is not available yet

00:17:34   and it doesn't even have a firm ship

00:17:36   date other than quote-unquote fall you

00:17:40   know so i guess sometime before december

00:17:42   and no prices

00:17:48   I don't even think they said what

00:17:50   carriers in the US are going to carry it

00:17:52   and I know it's a worldwide announcement

00:17:54   that they're going to sell this thing

00:17:55   all over the world and that I shouldn't

00:17:56   be totally us-centric and that Nokia

00:17:58   doesn't a lot better in Europe than they

00:18:00   do in North America block but it's you

00:18:01   know telling you I mean it just seems

00:18:03   frustrating to me it's like I here's

00:18:06   guide to me every product announcements

00:18:08   here's what it is here's why you should

00:18:10   care about it

00:18:11   here's where to get it and here's what

00:18:12   it costs and and now they're making

00:18:15   these product announcements without the

00:18:16   where to get it and what it costs and we

00:18:18   now have two in a row from Microsoft

00:18:21   right right and I guess this one will be

00:18:24   nearer term than the surface tablets

00:18:27   where I mean and write a matter of weeks

00:18:29   rather than you know half a year but it

00:18:33   does seem weird and it seems to me like

00:18:34   a way this is Demi and when i'm leaving

00:18:37   with this whole thing is that it just

00:18:39   seems very clear to me that these these

00:18:40   these companies have jumped the gun

00:18:44   this week because they want to announce

00:18:46   these things before apple announces yeah

00:18:49   the next iphone next week and I don't

00:18:52   understand why

00:18:53   yeah I don't I don't I mean I guess the

00:18:57   theory is that year you put that

00:19:00   placeholder in people's minds so they

00:19:02   don't run out and buy the iphone but is

00:19:05   that what is really going to stop and

00:19:06   how many people is that gonna stop for

00:19:08   buying an iphone you know what that's a

00:19:09   very interesting way to put it and it

00:19:11   didn't occur to me that might be it and

00:19:15   I think it's it might be fueled a little

00:19:17   bit by hubris where where you think

00:19:20   you'll make think that people are going

00:19:21   to stop but lining up to buy an iPhone

00:19:24   because you announce this thing doesn't

00:19:26   that doesn't have any price or shipping

00:19:27   right that they're so convinced in the

00:19:31   appeal of what they're announcing that

00:19:34   they think that there might be a

00:19:36   sizeable number of people who will think

00:19:38   that way see well I where I think it's

00:19:42   crazy is to me the whole point of the

00:19:44   ease of doing the product announcement

00:19:46   that gets as much press attention as you

00:19:48   can garner is to drive people to action

00:19:52   and say look we want you to be excited

00:19:54   about this and we want you to go order

00:19:57   it right now go buy one right go get in

00:19:59   line

00:20:01   ah whereas I I just feel like it's a

00:20:04   very complicated message and I don't

00:20:06   think it it's the way consumers act is

00:20:08   to say here's this thing we're going to

00:20:09   have in a couple of weeks remember it

00:20:11   stay excited about it and go get in line

00:20:16   six weeks from that by contrast today as

00:20:23   we speak

00:20:25   amazon has announced a bunch of Kindle

00:20:29   Fire Kindle rears what have this still

00:20:33   is it literally as we're talking as

00:20:35   literally as we're talking yes it's

00:20:36   going alright so do the news John they

00:20:39   have announced a what's a tin kindle

00:20:43   paper that people were joking that's the

00:20:46   kindle paperweight but that's not the

00:20:48   name of it it's a it's basically it's a

00:20:50   backlit you know regular kindle just

00:20:57   like the basically just the e-reader

00:20:59   e-ink the ink with backlit paper light i

00:21:04   guess probably paper light and like a

00:21:08   hundred and started 2 $20 something like

00:21:12   that and then also to new kindle fires

00:21:15   and what is it was a 9-inch em HD so far

00:21:21   that is what I see so far uh and the big

00:21:26   rub in the air yeah big rumor is that

00:21:28   they'll be announcing a phone right well

00:21:32   we'll stay tuned and we was interested

00:21:34   yeah yeah yeah what is there a position

00:21:37   which but they're you know they're

00:21:39   announcing they're announcing prices and

00:21:42   dates

00:21:42   alright well and that's because you know

00:21:44   and that's why amazon is in my opinion

00:21:47   apples strongest competitor

00:21:49   yeah it's almost it's like it there in a

00:21:51   position of strength like Apple whereas

00:21:54   microsoft and motorola or not

00:21:57   right with it sounds like a good tablet

00:21:59   8.9 inches 9 20 x 1200 display that's

00:22:04   250 4 pixels per inch so ah that's like

00:22:08   right there in line with the retina iPad

00:22:12   yeah right you know it's I think it's a

00:22:14   great idea is I don't get sick that I

00:22:17   even know this but I think the right now

00:22:18   ipad is 263 pixels per inch and I would

00:22:22   completely concede that nine pixels per

00:22:24   inches is you could add surrounding our

00:22:27   so that sounds good

00:22:29   the base kindle fire hundred fifty nine

00:22:32   dollars for the 7-inch tablets and what

00:22:35   does the 8.9 inch cost time doesn't like

00:22:38   that rolling scrolling scrolling don't

00:22:43   see it yet but i don't see it

00:22:45   well that's how you do it that's right

00:22:48   here we are here we are live news amazon

00:22:51   helping out the talk showed during the

00:22:53   recording

00:22:54   yeah by just doing exactly what i said

00:23:01   here's what it is

00:23:03   here's why you'd be interested in it

00:23:04   here's where to get it and consequently

00:23:06   I get more excited by their

00:23:08   announcements exactly i mean even when

00:23:11   they're just coming up I let the last

00:23:15   year when that the kindle was was

00:23:17   announced that is probably the most

00:23:18   excited I've been for another product

00:23:20   announcement outside of Apple never and

00:23:24   i'm also intrigued by the the the

00:23:27   vectors of competition in other words

00:23:31   whose more in competition with each

00:23:34   other I mean ultimately they're all in

00:23:36   competition like let's just say for the

00:23:38   tablet market and you have a

00:23:40   ten-year-old kid who really want a

00:23:42   tablet for Christmas when you're only

00:23:43   going to buy one so in a sense they're

00:23:45   all competing with each other to have an

00:23:48   array of devices that you're going to

00:23:50   choose from but and spend 200 or 300 or

00:23:53   400 dollars and that gift for your you

00:23:56   know eight-year-old daughter

00:23:57   ah but they're not really competing with

00:24:03   each other equally I think Amazon is far

00:24:06   more focused against Google with this

00:24:10   tattoo

00:24:11   tablets yeah okay and you know what

00:24:13   here's a email I just got from the

00:24:14   reader here's a line from jeff bezos at

00:24:18   the event for high-def device 8

00:24:20   gigabytes is dead on arrival

00:24:22   that's clearly about the the google

00:24:26   nexus 7

00:24:27   yeah which only has a gigabytes of

00:24:29   storage which doesn't seem very well

00:24:31   except they think he's there he's

00:24:32   talking about the 9-inch so I think he's

00:24:35   talking about the larger because the HD

00:24:38   one is the larger form factor

00:24:40   yeah well I don't know and no but i

00:24:43   don't think anybody cells in google

00:24:44   doesn't sell it a tenant 910 and shrimp

00:24:46   tablet we have it the tablet they do

00:24:49   sell it anyways

00:24:50   yes yeah but i'm not sure i think that

00:24:53   maybe the base Kendall still has a keg

00:24:54   words what it would do do you fill up

00:24:57   your ipad not anymore cuz i got 32

00:25:01   I mean I used to have a 16 and I feel

00:25:03   that upright exactly the 16 of was a

00:25:05   real struggle because i am I i think i

00:25:07   got the first one was only sixteen

00:25:09   because I really you know I just thought

00:25:11   you don't I I really bought into the

00:25:13   idea that I would only just sink you

00:25:15   know if I needed a movie I'd put the

00:25:16   movie on and then when I was done I

00:25:18   would take it off and then it's it

00:25:20   yeah you have to give you have to get

00:25:21   pretty adept at managing that right and

00:25:24   the thing that i have found two is if

00:25:26   you're gonna go on a trip and you want

00:25:28   some movies on your iPad you gotta put

00:25:30   them all on before you leave the house

00:25:31   because you don't want to do it at no

00:25:34   you're not going to get it on the

00:25:35   airport Wi-Fi you're definitely not you

00:25:37   didn't allow you to do it over 3g if you

00:25:40   have the 3g model and even if you did it

00:25:42   would you know what movie would use at

00:25:44   the whole data alignment and you don't

00:25:45   want to try to get a hotel you know what

00:25:49   their Wi-Fi exactly right

00:25:51   it's just going to your iphones or ipads

00:25:53   just going to shut down and tell you

00:25:54   that you know stop stop and your kids

00:25:57   your kids sitting there screaming for

00:25:58   clone wars exactly you gotta load up my

00:26:00   and if you want to load up a couple

00:26:02   movies really you know all of a sudden

00:26:04   32 is what you need

00:26:06   yeah so that's what I went to last time

00:26:09   and I don't do that with the iphone i

00:26:14   still go 16 with the iphone because I

00:26:16   just don't I'm gonna cut because i have

00:26:18   the ipad i don't watch anything on the

00:26:22   iphone anymore really

00:26:23   see I go I max out my iphone because i'm

00:26:25   an idiot 64 yeah i do I just my god the

00:26:29   biggest huh

00:26:31   because i'm a total idiot i really am

00:26:33   what was my tweet from a couple years

00:26:35   ago is my all-time most favorited tweet

00:26:37   i think it was something along the lines

00:26:39   of I don't drink I don't gamble my only

00:26:43   vice

00:26:44   my only advice is buying a new iphone

00:26:48   every year that in lying about drinking

00:26:50   and gambling I now I do and and you know

00:26:55   what you know why it is is that i have i

00:26:57   want all my put all my music on it the

00:26:59   whole library i think the library and I

00:27:01   need the 64 for that because otherwise I

00:27:04   like twice like two times I've been on

00:27:07   an airplane and the only thing I have to

00:27:09   listen to music is my iphone and I've

00:27:11   been in the mood for something

00:27:12   particular and it wasn't in the subset

00:27:15   of my library that i synced and then I

00:27:20   thought well the next time i buy a phone

00:27:21   i'm getting the big one so I net that

00:27:23   will never happen to me again hundred

00:27:25   twenty-eight yeah did you ever have

00:27:28   degenerate like a huge to generate huge

00:27:30   ipod the like the what I forget how got

00:27:35   big they got they got they got

00:27:36   absolutely i did not i I got off the

00:27:38   hard drive ones early pretty early it

00:27:42   was before they went metallic it was

00:27:44   still like white plastic but I i forget

00:27:46   how big my biggest i pod was but they

00:27:50   quickly their hard drives quickly got to

00:27:51   a size where it was ridiculous

00:27:53   oh yeah i was even though they really

00:27:55   did ya buying a hard drive based ipod

00:27:57   got you want that to me as a person who

00:28:00   has enjoy some music but is not like a

00:28:02   huge music guy like I've my library

00:28:05   honor it fits on a 64 gigabyte iphone

00:28:07   because i get in at 260 260 gigs that's

00:28:10   what that's all that's crazy i think

00:28:12   they had one parent is that though did

00:28:13   they have got that I thought they did

00:28:15   too i thought that they think they're

00:28:17   going to build this is very feature-rich

00:28:19   model right and now they just have the

00:28:21   huge model but that's you know I I still

00:28:24   die i do understand that that's useful

00:28:27   yeah

00:28:28   Egypt DJ's right DJs and and people who

00:28:32   are just serious about music and I'm not

00:28:34   that's the night I don't I never have

00:28:37   that problem

00:28:38   it used to be I remember one time like a

00:28:40   close friend was getting married and and

00:28:44   because it was their clothes it's like

00:28:45   somehow i forget what maybe i was in the

00:28:47   wedding party or somebody had to go to

00:28:48   the reception real early and I got to

00:28:52   see the DJ setting up and it's just like

00:28:54   20 minutes are going back and forth to

00:28:57   his van to get milk crates full of cds

00:29:01   and albums out of the van and that's all

00:29:05   you know that's all over now right

00:29:07   I remember like in high school like in

00:29:10   high school dances like that the DJ

00:29:12   would have you know just piles and

00:29:14   popular all like a library of cds behind

00:29:16   them

00:29:17   yeah I don't need that you just have an

00:29:18   ipod looking looking back

00:29:22   actually I think I'm 60 might be the

00:29:24   largest-ever god no I could be wrong i

00:29:27   can tell you exactly how many pixels

00:29:29   sharing on an iPad all right you keep

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00:31:36   shopping

00:31:39   it depends it depends but if i have time

00:31:42   I'm i I've been known to like clothes

00:31:46   shopping

00:31:47   oh I like to do it i like the online

00:31:48   clothes shopping I like that too i

00:31:52   really do I don't think yeah trying to

00:31:54   think of the last time I bought a pair

00:31:55   of shoes in person it's been a long time

00:32:00   really like the online shopping

00:32:02   yeah shoes you buy shoes online yeah

00:32:06   because I know my sons and my size in

00:32:08   the brands that I i think the last time

00:32:10   i did buy a pair of a different they

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00:33:07   and I don't want to look like a big you

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00:33:20   time check the tag on my shirt and see

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00:33:24   yeah or you could take my word for it

00:33:26   like imagine somebody to call me check

00:33:31   yeah check your dad

00:33:32   imagine somebody calls me on that but

00:33:33   it's better like that it's not and I'm

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00:33:38   i am wearing nice slacks oh let me check

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00:33:46   going bad or good

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00:33:59   you're like you're like Bruce Wayne and

00:34:04   the in the pool with a with her

00:34:06   yeah without value with some with some

00:34:08   some models the kindle fire HD this is

00:34:13   the 9 inch one will be available for 299

00:34:16   dollars 299 dollars

00:34:18   Wow aggressive yeah rest of setting the

00:34:22   bar right that's a hundred dollars less

00:34:25   than off have to yeah visit that i'm

00:34:29   correct right 398 399 for the ipad 2

00:34:31   which is not yeah I red string right i

00:34:36   think i could be wrong i have this hunch

00:34:40   that when apple unveils the ipad mini

00:34:42   that they're going to get rid of the

00:34:44   ipad 2

00:34:45   no really I don't know though i might be

00:34:49   wrong now because maybe that's how they

00:34:50   still fill in that maybe it would still

00:34:52   leave like a big price gap

00:34:54   yeah i think it would yeah and we talked

00:34:58   about this before we were in what 250

00:35:01   but next one of the best friend taken

00:35:04   out 24 maybe they have to guy I they

00:35:05   might have to

00:35:06   199 because what's the price on that the

00:35:08   7-inch kindle and now it's now it's less

00:35:12   so it's 160 I think wow yeah yeah 16 159

00:35:18   yeah 159 aggressive

00:35:22   amazon is kind of crazy amazon's the guy

00:35:24   also ok so now they got okay we've got

00:35:27   three models they have the old kindle

00:35:30   fire which is not which is actually an

00:35:32   upgraded old kindle fire 459 dollars 7

00:35:36   inch HD 499 and then 8.9 inch HD for 299

00:35:44   hm ships November 20th at the top of the

00:35:50   line there that's pretty late

00:35:53   it shows you that they're pushing it i

00:35:54   mean least they have a day have a date

00:35:56   right and a price and a price

00:36:00   Amazon's pricing their their willingness

00:36:02   to to sell stuff of what seemingly at

00:36:05   cost or near cost

00:36:07   yeah that makes them like the crazy guy

00:36:09   at the poker table like the guy like

00:36:11   Jake you're playing poker and there's

00:36:13   Jeff Bezos and he he just doesn't even

00:36:14   look at his cards you deal the amount

00:36:16   and he just leave them on the table and

00:36:18   he just says I'm i bet a hundred dollars

00:36:20   and you now you don't even know your

00:36:22   guys the guys nuts you have no idea is

00:36:25   good i mean it's really aggressive i

00:36:28   guess it works for them

00:36:30   I mean I they have a lot of content

00:36:35   right so anything they sell it costs the

00:36:39   anything they get up above that is gravy

00:36:42   right and they you know i just i know

00:36:45   you know i think just announced this

00:36:47   stuff so we can't say I you know nobody

00:36:48   nobody has reviewed these these products

00:36:50   yet but I expect them to be pretty good

00:36:52   simply it because of the history where

00:36:56   the original kindle each tablet re-ink

00:37:00   reader the first one was terrible it was

00:37:03   a complete turn and one year later they

00:37:06   had a pretty good one

00:37:07   like that's just how they roll is that

00:37:09   they are going to ship one like a year

00:37:11   too early just to hit the market

00:37:13   I and test the waters and they're going

00:37:17   to fix all the agree just

00:37:19   problems you know within that first year

00:37:21   yeah that's what I expect

00:37:24   yeah but they will never ever announced

00:37:29   sales you didn't buy a fire did you know

00:37:31   I didn't I I completely resisted yeah I

00:37:35   wanted to and then by the time they

00:37:37   shipped I i cooled off

00:37:39   yeah the it didn't seem as good as what

00:37:43   I wanted it to be like I said I was

00:37:45   excited excited for the announcement and

00:37:47   then somewhat letdown after reading the

00:37:49   reviews right and hopefully these will

00:37:51   be better

00:37:52   yeah I i really do expect them to and I

00:37:54   kind i really do think that there it's

00:37:58   more competitive more directly

00:38:00   competitive with the google nexus than

00:38:02   with the ipad it will see but i feel

00:38:09   like these bigger ones now that I'm

00:38:10   their their 4g yep

00:38:15   what more expensive one is coming with

00:38:17   4g 32 gigs of space for 99 I like i have

00:38:24   the e-ink ones are still selling i

00:38:27   suspect i used to see it when I used to

00:38:30   commute I saw a ton of those things I

00:38:32   trying i really think though I think

00:38:35   with those e-ink ones and I could be

00:38:37   wrong but I do think because i have 1i

00:38:40   and I didn't even buy it for myself

00:38:42   Marco our good friend Marco Arment

00:38:45   bought it for me as a gift and it's the

00:38:47   22 year old one it's a the kindle i

00:38:51   forget what model year is but it's got

00:38:53   like it's dark grey and it has a

00:38:55   physical keyboard

00:38:56   uh-huh and I i do enjoy it and I used it

00:38:59   more than I thought for a while until I

00:39:02   really kind of got used to reading books

00:39:04   on the ipad yeah but i do think though

00:39:08   that once you have one you don't really

00:39:11   need a new 12 years later just because

00:39:13   it's a little better

00:39:15   it's I don't think it's as much like

00:39:16   phones and tablets because you don't do

00:39:18   as many other things I think back I

00:39:21   think a backlit one might change that

00:39:23   yeah about certain great that might be

00:39:26   it but if it's yeah but if it's just the

00:39:28   regular one

00:39:29   No

00:39:29   him you know because I do see when I see

00:39:32   people on airplanes reading even with me

00:39:34   and tablet it you know there are a lot

00:39:36   of them i see a lot of older candles I

00:39:41   don't you know I just don't know that

00:39:42   people replace them as free clothing

00:39:44   now what they drop the price to now the

00:39:47   prices down to sixty nine dollars right

00:39:49   Ernie and tablet

00:39:51   yeah i know there's an explanation that

00:39:52   they're gonna do we're gonna make it

00:39:53   free

00:39:54   that's the one with ads though right

00:39:55   yeah i think so i think that the lowest

00:39:59   price one comes with that right that I

00:40:04   would not die so does the 7-inch tablet

00:40:07   is the 7-inch kindle have any 3g

00:40:09   connectivity or just know just the guy I

00:40:12   think just the 9-inch 1i think that's

00:40:16   where Apple really depending on the

00:40:17   pricing I think that's where they're

00:40:19   really going to steal the show on that

00:40:20   the ipad mini because i'm convinced that

00:40:23   they were going to sell it with the same

00:40:25   either get it cheap you know wifi-only

00:40:29   is cheaper and for a hundred extra box

00:40:31   you can get one with 4g known it you

00:40:35   know the nexus doesn't have it and the

00:40:38   amazon one doesn't have it

00:40:39   yeah so you're going you of you flying

00:40:43   out i am flying out i was just got to

00:40:45   segue to that you're so astute john i am

00:40:48   going I really am for the big apple

00:40:52   event

00:40:52   yeah you will not be there i guess i

00:40:55   have stice still have not gotten my

00:40:58   invitation

00:40:59   that's that you know what that's going

00:41:00   to happen now should happen you should

00:41:02   get invited to stuff like that

00:41:04   well that would be fun a lot of

00:41:12   speculation surprisingly usually people

00:41:15   don't speculate in advance of of apple

00:41:17   announcements

00:41:21   did you see documented did you see

00:41:26   have you seen the and it's died I next

00:41:29   week's thing is it seems pretty clear

00:41:31   the invitation kind of hints with the

00:41:33   shadow that looks like a five the

00:41:37   invitation seems to make it pretty clear

00:41:39   that it's going to be about the iphone 5

00:41:41   and I have

00:41:43   heard from my famous little birdies that

00:41:45   I've heard that the event will only be

00:41:48   about the iphone and and I think

00:41:51   corresponding with that iOS 6 which i'm

00:41:54   guessing we'll have some sort of feature

00:41:56   that they had announced previously and

00:41:58   i'm guessing some apps you know that

00:42:00   they always have new apps from Apple to

00:42:03   show off you know the phone maybe some

00:42:06   new series features and stuff like that

00:42:08   but it's you know

00:42:10   yeah that's what I've heard is that the

00:42:12   event will be about one device the

00:42:14   iphone 5 and the software that runs on

00:42:16   it but just in terms of that sort of

00:42:21   speculation and and and hype that people

00:42:26   generate in advance of these things you

00:42:28   see macrumors paid a guide to do like a

00:42:30   3d render of what the ipad mini could

00:42:34   look like oh I i just saw I didn't sell

00:42:37   quickly it's it's really well done and

00:42:41   it's like done in 10 in WebGL which I i

00:42:44   don't recall ever having used before you

00:42:46   have to go in to develop menu and safari

00:42:48   and turn it on but then it's you know

00:42:50   it's like the old quicktime GL where you

00:42:52   can click and drag to rotate it in 3d or

00:42:55   wherever you want but it's a 3d render I

00:42:58   really well done

00:43:00   I mean it looks totally credible you

00:43:02   know it looks like it could be in an

00:43:04   apple device but I just can't and I

00:43:06   can't fathom commissioning a guide to

00:43:08   build a 3d render of what a product

00:43:10   could look like and i also saw that

00:43:13   there are people like case makers at

00:43:15   that and there's a big conference in

00:43:17   Berlin last week the IFA something

00:43:20   conference and that there were case

00:43:21   makers who based on like leaked images

00:43:24   and rumors of the iphone 5 had built

00:43:27   mock iphone 5 yeah so that they can show

00:43:31   their cases for it

00:43:33   laters there's even a there's like a

00:43:36   full android knockoff iphone 5 this is

00:43:42   so great i got the layout of all it's

00:43:44   because they're gonna sue apple that's

00:43:47   what this yeah and they're sooo and

00:43:50   prior art right it's it at all right i

00:43:54   got a google list

00:43:55   see this little gathered for me i

00:44:03   googled her Chinese android iphone 5

00:44:07   suing apple here we go

00:44:09   actually just that yahoo.com chinese

00:44:11   company used leaked iphone suspects to

00:44:14   build knockoff hopes to sue apple for

00:44:16   patent infringement

00:44:18   well you gotta get in on that right

00:44:22   and well they have a good argument their

00:44:24   argument is that they are shipping first

00:44:28   and so regardless that they based the

00:44:31   admittedly based the entire thing on

00:44:33   leaked yeah hearts from the iphone 5

00:44:36   that they're shipping the product first

00:44:39   and so they're going to sue apple it's

00:44:42   called the goophone i5s 10 and it runs a

00:44:47   custom version of the Android operating

00:44:49   system that mimics the look of apple's

00:44:51   ios the goophone i5s yeah

00:44:55   semi soon get sued by Intel no I'm not

00:45:01   so sure that there's exercise that

00:45:03   intellectual circle of life and yeah

00:45:05   apparently not

00:45:07   do you think I mean are they just that

00:45:09   out of touch or or do they know that by

00:45:13   claiming to sue apple that it's like a

00:45:15   problem they know that that's just going

00:45:17   to get even more publicity

00:45:18   I have to think that they that's a

00:45:20   ladder right yeah they kind of that

00:45:24   there are general getting publicity but

00:45:26   hats off to them softer them for having

00:45:28   a possible

00:45:31   I wonder how that works out of the end

00:45:33   though I mean that just doesn't seem

00:45:36   like that pays off but alright if you

00:45:39   would just do we just get completely

00:45:40   screwed at the end of the day having

00:45:42   done that right and it is it's a

00:45:45   slightly but not even slightly it's

00:45:51   actually a very different thing that

00:45:52   won't then what Samsung did and arguably

00:45:55   still does yeah we're there what they've

00:45:57   done is it's it's truly a knockoff

00:45:59   I mean it is it really looks identical

00:46:01   to it's the only thing that short as is

00:46:04   the they don't actually put an apple

00:46:06   logo on the back yeah that's what you

00:46:09   might as well write you might as well

00:46:11   because that's what like the handbag

00:46:12   fakes do and bring like when you buy a

00:46:14   fake Rolex you know for twenty bucks on

00:46:18   the street corner it says Rolex it you

00:46:20   know it doesn't say like relax or

00:46:22   something like that it says Rolex I mean

00:46:24   it's you know it's like a complete fake

00:46:26   i'm not quite sure why they don't why

00:46:28   they don't do the go the whole way I

00:46:31   guess because they're an actual company

00:46:34   with a brand that could be sued whereas

00:46:37   like knockoff handbags and watches are

00:46:40   all sort of underground you know that

00:46:43   there's no there's no nobody knows

00:46:45   actually who made that because they're

00:46:47   being right by now it's completely on

00:46:51   the black market or the gray market or

00:46:53   whatever you want to call it

00:46:54   yeah yeah this is great

00:46:57   it's this is probably my favorite story

00:47:00   that we really can you block me can you

00:47:01   buy we should buy 1i I wonder you got me

00:47:05   when you get in

00:47:07   yeah probably not hong kong-based online

00:47:10   design their cheapo and refund after the

00:47:12   alleged apple iphone 5 parts leaked yeah

00:47:15   i just i think it's only oh boy

00:47:17   hongkong but maybe do we have listeners

00:47:18   in Hong Kong certify if anybody out

00:47:21   there's listen to the show and you live

00:47:24   in Hong Kong and you can buy one of

00:47:25   these get in touch with email me go to

00:47:27   daring fireball and hit the contact form

00:47:29   and and let's figure out what the prices

00:47:32   and if it you know if it's reasonable

00:47:34   maybe i'll try to get one of these

00:47:39   I'd love to see your review i should i

00:47:43   should get it and review the hell out of

00:47:44   it

00:47:45   I'm worried that I'd get lost that after

00:47:48   the home screen that the whole thing

00:47:49   will be in Chinese oh yeah I take this

00:47:54   here's one thing I've gotten a lot of

00:47:55   questions about this and I I thought

00:47:58   maybe the talk shows would be a good

00:47:59   place to write about it is that they're

00:48:00   I've already seen on Twitter people

00:48:02   wondering whether i have already gotten

00:48:05   an iphone 5 for reviewing and others you

00:48:10   know that you know did I can't speak for

00:48:12   for anybody else I don't know it's all

00:48:14   you know little secret and you know who

00:48:16   knows whether but my understanding at

00:48:19   least in my personal experience in the

00:48:21   two years since since that Apple has

00:48:23   started giving me products to review

00:48:26   ahead of their release in my experience

00:48:30   they never ever even tell you that the

00:48:33   thing exists until the event they the

00:48:36   event is when they that's the first time

00:48:38   I and completely sure that the thing

00:48:40   even exists and then after the event a

00:48:44   you know they they schedule a time where

00:48:46   you come in and then yeah you get a

00:48:49   device

00:48:50   yeah but not only so not only have i

00:48:52   never gotten a product before it was

00:48:56   announced at an event I i I've never

00:49:02   even heard about it beforehand didn't

00:49:05   you didn't get clued into Mountain line

00:49:08   yeah mountain lions were because it

00:49:10   wasn't a hardware product yeah so they

00:49:12   did they said would you like to have

00:49:14   this briefing you know we're going to be

00:49:16   in New York for a couple of days talking

00:49:18   to the press if you'd like you know you

00:49:20   can schedule a time and and come up and

00:49:23   when they did they you know they it gave

00:49:26   me the mountain lion release on a loner

00:49:29   macbook air and that was before they

00:49:33   announced it that the idea you know but

00:49:35   that's because they didn't have an event

00:49:36   right that that briefing was the

00:49:39   substitution of holding enough having an

00:49:41   event and I if they had had an event I'm

00:49:46   sure they would not have given it to me

00:49:48   before the event

00:49:51   but added that so that's the thing is

00:49:52   that done this week's show today

00:49:54   September 6i can say no i do not have an

00:49:59   iphone 5 i do not even know i do not

00:50:01   know with any certainty that there is

00:50:02   such a thing as an iphone 5 I don't know

00:50:05   47 and someone could overnight you want

00:50:08   from hong kong email right

00:50:10   definitely then you down before whereas

00:50:12   by next week's show which I intend to

00:50:16   record after the event you'll have there

00:50:19   is a chance i would be nice i would i

00:50:22   would be flattered it would be great if

00:50:24   there is a chance that i will have one

00:50:26   but if i do i'll have signed an NDA you

00:50:31   can't tell where they handed it to me

00:50:32   where I won't be able to say but i could

00:50:39   say right now that I don't but and once

00:50:41   you have the NDA you can't even lie i'm

00:50:42   not gonna lie i can't say i don't have

00:50:44   it but I also can't say that I do have

00:50:45   it you can't just can't talk about it

00:50:47   right

00:50:51   that's how it works yeah and I don't

00:50:52   believe that they seen anybody I don't

00:50:54   think that even Musburger poker anybody

00:50:57   gets them in advance i think yeah you

00:50:58   know everybody gets the same in nine

00:51:02   days so no phone from amazon no no phone

00:51:05   i'm not surprised by the event is over

00:51:07   right and no fun

00:51:10   yeah I'm not surprised I'm convinced I'm

00:51:12   you know I don't have any it you know

00:51:14   had inside knowledge but well I've heard

00:51:17   things i have heard some things that

00:51:18   they're working on the phone but you

00:51:21   know my sources at amazon are nowhere

00:51:22   near as good as like an Apple but just

00:51:25   strategically I'm you know it just seems

00:51:27   like a no-brainer that with the route

00:51:29   they're going there's seems like a

00:51:31   no-brainer to tell you eventually do

00:51:33   that but I just think that it's probably

00:51:37   one of those things where they're not

00:51:38   far enough along yet

00:51:39   yeah which is this is when this is where

00:51:43   Microsoft would completely announced the

00:51:45   phone jacks exactly and it would they

00:51:48   would even say that what we're hoping to

00:51:50   ship in mid-2014 time next year

00:51:55   big fan

00:51:59   anything did you so you didn't want you

00:52:01   to watch the motorola event yesterday i

00:52:03   did not know was it painful

00:52:05   I wasn't thinking about it it was a

00:52:07   little well that the first and i guess

00:52:11   some of this was just not even with the

00:52:13   band was but there was some band that

00:52:14   they had and the video that they had

00:52:17   online them in the first at least 15

00:52:21   minutes if not 20 minutes was this band

00:52:22   playing there was an hour long video and

00:52:26   the first 20 minutes of it was this band

00:52:27   playing I just thought it was weird I

00:52:31   mean I know Apple is headbands come in

00:52:33   play but mostly it's like itunes events

00:52:36   or ipod events where it's actually a

00:52:38   music-related event and and in certainly

00:52:43   certainly and mac words of consumer

00:52:45   event words we're entertaining the

00:52:47   people is more makes more sense that

00:52:50   just seems odd to anyone it's a press

00:52:52   event too because this thing was not

00:52:54   open

00:52:55   you couldn't just show up to go to this

00:52:58   thing

00:52:58   so anyway so they play the timing is

00:53:00   wrong on that right strategically like

00:53:02   just the way Apple does it is the right

00:53:03   way you do it is you come out to say

00:53:05   hello you start satiating the curiosity

00:53:10   of the people who are there you starts

00:53:12   you know start giving them what they

00:53:14   want to know here's what we have to say

00:53:16   here's you know a little preamble here's

00:53:18   a new product

00:53:19   here's what it does here's what it looks

00:53:21   like and then at the end you like hey

00:53:23   thanks for coming and guess what we have

00:53:24   a band we have you know johnny is here

00:53:26   yeah your song right you know what the

00:53:31   music comes at the end

00:53:32   yeah and then Eric Schmidt gets up and

00:53:35   talks about 10 facts about whatever

00:53:37   instrument talks about any introduces

00:53:39   the guy who is the new head of motorola

00:53:43   mobility

00:53:45   what's that guy's name is rid of that

00:53:49   with cigarettes anyway

00:53:50   Dennis Woodside who I noted yesterday

00:53:54   came from McKinsey which is this big

00:53:57   consulting management consulting company

00:54:01   over the wells with a long is on with a

00:54:03   long history

00:54:05   yeah and and also

00:54:09   oversaw the acquisition of motorola

00:54:11   sunlight to me L that made more sense

00:54:14   why they spent 2.5 billion to acquire

00:54:17   more motorola mobility and then they

00:54:20   showed and add that toward the end and

00:54:23   the ad i thought was just terrible

00:54:25   because it it didn't show the product

00:54:27   all until like the last second was one

00:54:29   of those ads that shows things flying by

00:54:31   and it's you know they would say thin

00:54:34   and it would show a bunch of thin things

00:54:35   and then it would show that I can

00:54:37   remember what the other at sort of

00:54:40   characteristics of the phone that they

00:54:42   were talking about but they should show

00:54:43   things that related to the

00:54:44   characteristics of the phone but not

00:54:45   actually show the phone until the end

00:54:47   and maybe it's partly because those

00:54:48   phones aren't all that great looking

00:54:50   whereas the Amazon did an ad last night

00:54:53   during the NFL game that show their

00:54:57   products all over the woods showing that

00:54:59   game by the way I I couldn't really say

00:55:02   and I i could say because i know but i'm

00:55:06   not going to say and I the ad shows is

00:55:11   you chose boxes arriving in mailboxes

00:55:14   and shows the all the candles and showed

00:55:16   the new devices that would you cover

00:55:19   that said that was interesting right and

00:55:22   and not something that apple would do

00:55:25   but but pretty good and much more

00:55:29   inspiring to go out and actually buy the

00:55:31   product them than the one the motorola

00:55:33   showed i just looked it up on ESPN ends

00:55:37   up that the dallas cowboys won that

00:55:39   football game and now have the best

00:55:41   record in the entire NFL

00:55:43   Wow

00:55:46   they're going all the way I think it's

00:55:49   without question also top-rated

00:55:52   quarterback in the NFL Tony Romo

00:55:54   Wow huh I'm standing

00:55:57   yeah New York Giants last place out of

00:56:06   28 teams in NFL no team has a worse

00:56:08   record in the New York Giants and

00:56:10   Yankees been doing over the last 10

00:56:12   games

00:56:16   no she won't she won't go back to

00:56:17   politics John people get very upset when

00:56:19   we talk about where she go back to

00:56:20   politics because they get various people

00:56:22   there tues and they tune in for the

00:56:24   polyp political talk not the sports talk

00:56:26   they get very upset when we talk about

00:56:28   sports or we could talk about our

00:56:29   children

00:56:30   exactly

00:56:34   I you know what these events they do

00:56:36   they make me uncomfortable to watch

00:56:37   because i am spoiled i'm totally spoiled

00:56:41   by Apple which puts on these events that

00:56:42   are as polished and thoughtful as their

00:56:46   products right and it's just event after

00:56:49   event i can't recall and you said I

00:56:52   can't recall apple ever putting together

00:56:54   an event that seemed anything less than

00:56:58   then polished yeah and exactly no

00:57:01   presents the product and a great light

00:57:03   and and I think isn't it true that these

00:57:07   events where the first stage yourself

00:57:11   events are relatively new phenomenon for

00:57:16   most of these companies because the way

00:57:19   things used to be done was they would go

00:57:21   to contacts or something

00:57:23   yeah announced identities product be

00:57:25   tied to these you know call them i don't

00:57:27   know conventions or yeah and mostly an

00:57:31   apple was the one who started maybe

00:57:33   somebody else did it before but Apple

00:57:36   started hosting their own events and

00:57:37   then everybody said oh we need a holster

00:57:39   on events right then there was a thing

00:57:42   yesterday's yeah the other thing about

00:57:43   yesterday's dual announcements from

00:57:45   Motorola and nokia was that they were in

00:57:49   the same city they were both in New York

00:57:50   City and that i think the Nokia one

00:57:53   forget which one first but I think with

00:57:56   motor yet

00:57:57   motorola coffers

00:57:59   I don't care but they were offering

00:58:01   shuttle buses they offered to sell that

00:58:04   people from one to another and have the

00:58:06   nokia nokia paid for a bus that said i

00:58:08   love nokia in huge letters to shuttle

00:58:11   the show up at the motorola right and I

00:58:17   don't know just all seems like I can't

00:58:19   even imagine Apple doing that now

00:58:21   like if Apple held an event and somebody

00:58:23   else happened to be holding I had the

00:58:25   stones to hold one in the same city on

00:58:27   the same day

00:58:28   applewood just wouldn't give two craps

00:58:31   about anybody who wanted to attend both

00:58:33   that if the you know the timing made it

00:58:35   difficult or whatever it's you know it's

00:58:38   too you know that you're dumb luck for

00:58:40   want to cover both because you they know

00:58:43   which one you're going to cover right

00:58:45   I can't imagine anybody being dumb

00:58:49   enough to do that right to say no apples

00:58:53   holding an event it ten o'clock on

00:58:55   tuesday will will hold one at noon right

00:58:59   you know what i should do I should do

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01:01:06   you're already using the keyboard having

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01:02:42   I all I wanted ad say i wanted to say

01:02:46   this this week because it's one of those

01:02:47   things that I won't be able to say next

01:02:49   week in the room you know obviously did

01:02:53   such a rumor that it seems like it's got

01:02:56   to be true the rumors that the screen on

01:02:57   the new iphone is going to be the same

01:02:59   with but it's going to be taller and

01:03:01   it's gonna be taller by the you know

01:03:03   what are they going to do with the home

01:03:04   screen is going to add an extra row of

01:03:06   icons on the home screen and I've been

01:03:09   thinking about that and it's actually

01:03:10   made me a little nervous because I've

01:03:12   gotten my my homescreen my first two

01:03:14   home screens which are really the only

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01:03:18   icons are and I've kind of settled in

01:03:20   I've kind of gotten into old-man mode

01:03:22   where I it's very rare that i changed

01:03:25   appt in there and I don't know what I'm

01:03:27   gonna do with that extra row of icons if

01:03:30   you were Henry Blodget you can't base an

01:03:31   entire piece on this fact that would

01:03:34   obviously be enabled really angry

01:03:36   yeah tirade about how Apple's ruining

01:03:39   here do you do you do meticulously

01:03:42   organized your icons and I would not say

01:03:45   meticulously home screen and maybe like

01:03:47   the first beyond that yeah the first

01:03:49   page yes but anything beyond that is is

01:03:53   kind of a little bit more of a mouse was

01:03:58   it you

01:03:59   somebody had a line the other day about

01:04:00   Henry Blodgett he was it was a good

01:04:05   crack about Henry blockage of you

01:04:06   written about it easy

01:04:07   no no it's easy to make it is he wished

01:04:14   he had a thing tonight coming argued

01:04:16   iphone iphone 5 is is doomed or

01:04:19   something

01:04:20   I think he said that the iphone 5

01:04:23   is already annoying him i write down

01:04:26   something the other guys going like that

01:04:28   but maybe Blodgett too i think yeah this

01:04:32   is that it seems like there are at least

01:04:33   a couple of its equipment that is a

01:04:35   common refrain in the run-up to an apple

01:04:38   product announcement that before it's

01:04:40   even announce that you're tired of the

01:04:42   hype that they're tired of it and ate

01:04:44   yeah and they always direct these

01:04:46   complaints about the hype at Apple that

01:04:48   it's great that does is right but what

01:04:51   what what could Apple do differently to

01:04:54   do not have this type they don't say

01:04:56   anything I've said nothing i can't I

01:05:00   really truly believe that they haven't

01:05:01   purposefully leaked anything all of

01:05:04   these parts if it turns out that these

01:05:06   parts that have leaked are legit and

01:05:08   that this you know that we kind of

01:05:09   already have an idea what this new

01:05:11   iphone looks like ah I can't help but

01:05:14   think that Apple is upset about that

01:05:15   would be funny if that if that company

01:05:19   that's selling the android is actually

01:05:20   an apple shell company my god never got

01:05:24   a group photo now it's all just yeah

01:05:28   hold up to build up hype for the iphone

01:05:30   five we're gonna have this company cela

01:05:32   complete knockoff of it right like you

01:05:35   know it's like a couple of times a month

01:05:38   at like five o'clock they blowing off

01:05:40   steam and there's the Schiller and jony

01:05:43   ive and was our that was jaws just hit

01:05:49   the ribbons it's not suggesting around

01:05:51   out of having beers on the connection

01:05:52   setup i'm going show somebody sell the

01:05:56   google what's the silliest name they can

01:05:59   come up with

01:06:00   I don't know Frank was the worst

01:06:02   possible maybe you can think of right

01:06:03   and goophone it's sort of a knocking

01:06:06   google i get you know could be if it

01:06:07   were a ended up it was a shell company

01:06:09   got yeah woody sionary yeah

01:06:15   I so I don't talk about the FBI thing

01:06:24   oh let's do that yeah and then we're

01:06:26   adding i would think we call it show

01:06:28   yeah yeah the FBI thing is really weird

01:06:30   and you said your idea i didn't look

01:06:33   mine up but I did and I did not find any

01:06:36   of mine

01:06:37   you know it it's it I'm but I'm not a

01:06:40   hundred percent sure here's what i died

01:06:41   i downloaded the file

01:06:43   it's like 90 gigabytes and they give you

01:06:45   these instructions where you can verify

01:06:46   it and you know the md5 hash that you

01:06:49   know it's legit then you run decrypt it

01:06:52   and then you have a big txt file it's

01:06:54   like 830 megabytes or something like

01:06:57   that so I opened up in bbedit with

01:07:00   handles big file like that no problem

01:07:02   and I start searching for my uu IDs from

01:07:06   my the devices i have an active use a

01:07:10   couple of my iphones and a couple of my

01:07:12   iPads that I have the uuid are you DIDS

01:07:15   I keep calling right into eyes udid

01:07:17   device ids and none of mine were a hit

01:07:20   IUDs right but I am I even ask you a

01:07:25   couple of a couple of people on Twitter

01:07:26   pointed out that there were two devices

01:07:28   in their name John Gruber's you have had

01:07:31   an idea i looked and there is there were

01:07:35   two devices with that name and but I

01:07:37   looked in the uuid you DIDS did not

01:07:40   match any of the ones that i have stored

01:07:42   now it's possible because I i have had

01:07:44   an absurd number of ipads come through

01:07:48   here we're like review units from apple

01:07:52   because I've had new ones like when a

01:07:54   new one comes out and i had like a new

01:07:56   ipad 2 in a new ipad 3 that I didn't

01:08:00   keep you know that I get them i use them

01:08:02   for a couple of weeks and then I box

01:08:04   them back up and just and ship them to

01:08:06   apple and I you know I buy my own that

01:08:08   if I'm going by 12 actually own but

01:08:11   they've also given me ones like like at

01:08:16   the at books event last year and you

01:08:19   know the the textbook event New York

01:08:20   City it's like you they just give them

01:08:22   out like candy

01:08:23   you know yeah when they review stuff or

01:08:25   with mountain lion they gave me one

01:08:28   because i wanted to give me one that had

01:08:29   like Ike tunes documents in the cloud

01:08:33   that sinking that worked or whatever

01:08:35   they just set them up to to be able to

01:08:38   review these features they want you to

01:08:40   be able to do and they just they just

01:08:42   set everything up so that they're all

01:08:44   ready to go and they just give them to

01:08:45   you know and you don't keep them they

01:08:47   you know you sign a thing that says I

01:08:48   you know have taken this from you and

01:08:52   it's possible it is possible that maybe

01:08:53   I had one of those that i plugged in and

01:08:56   i just got lazy because I knew it wasn't

01:08:57   going to keep it and just took that

01:08:58   default name because I don't name them

01:09:00   like that I don't name them John

01:09:01   Gruber's ipad

01:09:03   I you know I have other and then my

01:09:06   devices different ways but i don't use

01:09:08   that name but maybe I did maybe i got

01:09:10   lazy so maybe there were two of mine in

01:09:12   there i don't know i like the idea that

01:09:15   other people were naming him that

01:09:17   yeah but anyway that the still no answer

01:09:19   of how these how this file came to exist

01:09:23   you know and I guess that right intrigue

01:09:25   is the initial reaction i think a lot of

01:09:27   people had was this suspicion that that

01:09:29   Apple had been sharing this information

01:09:31   with the FBI for some reason Apple has

01:09:35   since denied that the FBI is designed it

01:09:39   right oh and the other thing to point

01:09:40   out to keep in mind is that the this

01:09:42   anti sec antisocial what the hell's

01:09:46   their name and I seconds their name i

01:09:47   think that the hacker group that

01:09:49   releases claims that the original file

01:09:53   they took from the guys laptop had 12

01:09:56   million entries and that they've only

01:09:58   the public release was only a random

01:10:00   1,000,000 slice of it so the only ten

01:10:05   percent of the numbers they claim or

01:10:07   were there were actually in this public

01:10:09   one so just because you know your udid

01:10:12   isn't in there doesn't it wasn't it the

01:10:14   full file that hasn't been released

01:10:15   publicly yeah and what the FBI issued a

01:10:20   statement but the state you know and

01:10:22   it's pretty rare for them to even

01:10:23   address something like this but it does

01:10:25   have some wiggle room in there

01:10:27   well this statement does but then

01:10:28   apparently they denied it

01:10:31   they denied it much more forcefully on

01:10:32   twitter which i think is also funny that

01:10:34   the FBI has a twitter

01:10:35   account like imagine like over the

01:10:41   character was available like 40 years

01:10:43   ago when Jennifer there Jay let's look

01:10:46   was alive you know what that you say

01:10:49   that but did you must not have seen

01:10:51   clint eastwood's Hoover movie because

01:10:54   there's like a full pot in there one of

01:10:56   those things like you know like

01:10:59   sometimes like a Miami font nerd so

01:11:01   sometimes they'll be like a movie that

01:11:03   takes place in 1953 and there's

01:11:05   something in helvetica neue Helvetica

01:11:07   didn't come out till nineteen

01:11:08   fifty-seven so it's you know that's a

01:11:10   faux pas

01:11:11   there was a scene in eastwood Hoover

01:11:13   movie where Hoover was at sexting really

01:11:18   yeah he was sexting on it on a little

01:11:20   i'm like an iphone and then somebody

01:11:23   pointed out to eastwood after it came

01:11:24   out that the iphone you have cell phones

01:11:26   weren't didn't exist for another 60

01:11:28   years and he told them you're making

01:11:30   that up i have not seen the movie but

01:11:31   you must be making that up at any rate

01:11:33   the FBI the FBI their their their

01:11:38   twitter post was was unequivocal and

01:11:43   Marco has a have linked to something

01:11:47   this morning about the sky

01:11:52   I'm sure when mispronounces a boge

01:11:54   engagement of flux ads I thinks that

01:11:59   maybe it came from a nap or a series of

01:12:02   apps from the Swiss company called spank

01:12:08   apps is for real yeah yeah I'm there's a

01:12:16   was an app called glitter draw free that

01:12:20   he had this guy had installed that's

01:12:22   sending the associated push

01:12:24   notifications token to third-party

01:12:27   service anyway understandable but

01:12:29   possibly i mean so people are coming up

01:12:32   with you are trying to come up with

01:12:33   other ways that this might have happened

01:12:34   and thats what it series is that it's a

01:12:37   third-party app yeah i would not be

01:12:39   surprised if that's the source is a

01:12:41   third-party app or ad network maybe that

01:12:45   had a bunch of apps use something like

01:12:46   that

01:12:47   you know and it does seem like the more

01:12:51   I looked into it that it's whatever the

01:12:53   source it's not that egregious a leak

01:12:56   I guess it's likely that a bunch of AD

01:12:58   networks all have your device ids and

01:13:01   your device names just because it was

01:13:03   you know that's how it was easy

01:13:05   up until iOS 6 apples actually making

01:13:07   that something that the apps can't do in

01:13:09   ios6 just get these device itz they're

01:13:12   gonna have another way of getting a

01:13:13   unique identifier is that won't be the

01:13:16   same across different apps so you'll

01:13:19   have more privacy

01:13:20   this is it's not a terrible privacy

01:13:22   variolation but it's definitely

01:13:23   something and then more i'm marco also

01:13:26   is the source that link to the the right

01:13:29   up i linked to yesterday about the the

01:13:33   way that you could use a simple URL API

01:13:40   from openfeint who is like it's tied to

01:13:45   a bunch of games and you can put you

01:13:46   diii d in there and it'll tell you

01:13:48   everything they know about that udid

01:13:50   yeah for some people was coming up with

01:13:52   things like the facebook profile and

01:13:54   pictures you know like there-there

01:13:55   avatar and when the guy first reported

01:13:59   it there was you know it was actually

01:14:00   even worse it even had like GPS data and

01:14:03   after he reported it this is like two

01:14:05   years ago or a year and a half ago they

01:14:07   stay took out the location data from

01:14:09   that API code but you know there could

01:14:12   be some other service out there that has

01:14:14   you know the same type of thing and

01:14:15   maybe has you know this same sort of

01:14:17   privacy problems or you could because

01:14:21   once you know somebody's name and their

01:14:23   location i mean that's that's a that's a

01:14:26   lot of the answer good way to get

01:14:28   started on you know having some fun

01:14:31   yeah he said that a little too really

01:14:36   just not that I would ever you know

01:14:40   right it's a good thing I don't know how

01:14:43   to do any of this stuff

01:14:44   did youdid you so you didn't even like

01:14:46   you didn't even look at I didn't like

01:14:48   now I don't know what I'm going to do it

01:14:51   in there

01:14:52   mm not much but it's really there really

01:14:56   is nothing to me there's no you can't

01:14:58   change your udid right still is a weird

01:15:00   story that

01:15:02   yeah did you also see and just to to

01:15:05   circle back this might be going in the

01:15:06   show circle back on politics if you've

01:15:08   seen this story about the hacker that

01:15:11   claims to have stolen that romney's tax

01:15:14   returns

01:15:14   yeah and I did this is actually a really

01:15:17   intriguing story so this story is that

01:15:19   an anonymous hacker has posted these

01:15:24   things on Mike pastebin and and claims

01:15:29   and it's been verified that he walked

01:15:32   into a pricewaterhousecoopers office in

01:15:35   my Tennessee and a guy on that said that

01:15:39   a guy in the third floor let him in and

01:15:41   that he put he walked out with on a USB

01:15:45   stick

01:15:46   I don't think he says how many but

01:15:49   several years of Mitt Romney's personal

01:15:52   income tax returns before 2010 which he

01:15:55   hasn't released in which has been very

01:15:57   controversial in this election because

01:15:58   presidential candidates typically

01:16:00   release many years are several years of

01:16:04   their taxes and there's a lot of

01:16:06   speculation that that there's the reason

01:16:08   he hasn't is you know that there's some

01:16:10   stuff in there that's politically

01:16:12   unsavory in other words that he's

01:16:14   probably paid of evidence certainly low

01:16:17   tax rate

01:16:18   yeah and he also has a whole collection

01:16:19   of people's you DIDS a jacket but anyway

01:16:25   this hacker then encrypted the data and

01:16:30   put the encrypted version on a USB stick

01:16:32   and mailed it to both the Democrats and

01:16:35   the Republicans in an envelope and with

01:16:38   a letter that exactly no saying what he

01:16:40   done and saying that he wants romney or

01:16:45   the Romney campaign to give him a

01:16:47   million dollars in bitcoins which

01:16:50   presumably would be untraceable I think

01:16:53   that's the way Bitcoin works i'm pretty

01:16:55   sure i mean it's you know it would be

01:16:56   pretty stupid if it weren't that you

01:16:59   know the Bitcoin works like cash for

01:17:01   once you transfer it it's you know it's

01:17:04   there is no it's not like credit

01:17:06   transactions there's no banking history

01:17:08   yeah he wants a million dollars in

01:17:11   bitcoins before September 28-30 else is

01:17:13   going to release it publicly and if

01:17:15   anybody else wants it like in the

01:17:17   pressure whatever the first one to be

01:17:19   given them billion dollars in bitcoins

01:17:21   either gets the key or they'll destroy

01:17:24   the key and you know it seems like there

01:17:32   it seems so outlandish I mean why in the

01:17:35   world would his tax returns being in

01:17:36   Tennessee but it doesn't seem like you

01:17:39   know the Secret Service is looking into

01:17:41   it and it seems like there might be some

01:17:43   smoke to the fire

01:17:45   yeah it's interesting you don't mean at

01:17:52   this point it's hard to tell but well I

01:17:54   guess here's what I the one who either

01:17:57   are really outrageous scam right or wear

01:18:01   a green espionage story right and

01:18:03   pricewaterhousecoopers is issued not

01:18:05   you're not really a denial but just as

01:18:07   far as we know this hasn't happened but

01:18:09   they haven't said anything at it here's

01:18:14   what I here's what I wonder

01:18:16   alright it are his tax returns in that

01:18:20   office in tennessee right if they're not

01:18:23   well then they could you know they could

01:18:26   say it's not even possible does it

01:18:28   we have no tax returns for Mitt Romney

01:18:30   in that office and then the whole story

01:18:32   goes away

01:18:33   yeah right they haven't said that but

01:18:36   would they say that you know i mean like

01:18:40   it's one of those things like you know

01:18:41   you not negotiating with terrorists were

01:18:44   maybe you know even if it's not there

01:18:47   you don't say that because then if it

01:18:49   were there

01:18:50   you're not saying that would be a

01:18:53   giveaway that it was there that make

01:18:58   sense yes sort of sort of sort of at

01:19:02   this time there is no se at this is

01:19:04   there and it actually is

01:19:06   sounds exactly like what the FBI had

01:19:08   said about the bi DS is in their

01:19:11   official statement at this time there is

01:19:13   no evidence that our systems have been

01:19:15   compromised which is not

01:19:17   really Adonai huh no I mean and maybe

01:19:22   they don't know right and i also would

01:19:24   not be surprised if it's their policy to

01:19:26   not really can truly confirm or deny

01:19:29   that it was even possible

01:19:32   you know that they're not they don't

01:19:33   want to have people playing bingo trying

01:19:35   to guess which is where his tax returns

01:19:37   really are but I don't know it just

01:19:39   seems like the way that the statement

01:19:41   and a way that the secret services is

01:19:43   looking into this that you know there

01:19:47   might be something to it if pwc has a

01:19:50   system you know if they do people's tax

01:19:53   returns and I have a system where they

01:19:54   store all this stuff right get access it

01:19:57   you could theoretically access it from

01:19:58   any office could be in the cloud you're

01:20:01   saying yeah i mean it would be it would

01:20:03   be in there on their will at least on

01:20:05   their well probably not on a cloud but

01:20:07   in their land right yeah I guess that

01:20:10   does make sense i guess it would you

01:20:12   know I guess that if he had anybody any

01:20:14   pricewaterhousecoopers do it that maybe

01:20:16   they do have a system like that it

01:20:18   wouldn't just be local

01:20:19   i guess.i guess that does make a lot of

01:20:21   sense that it doesn't really matter that

01:20:24   if you know if you're if you're in the

01:20:26   Tennessee office working on some rich

01:20:28   guys tax taxes you have access to the

01:20:30   same system not necessarily the same you

01:20:35   wouldn't necessarily have access to the

01:20:36   same right

01:20:38   I'm thinking too much about how i turn

01:20:40   my taxes is which with my accountant

01:20:42   where we're just you know I just come in

01:20:45   with shoebox superplex full of receipts

01:20:47   exactly and you know that it's like two

01:20:54   slips of paper and like walk with 1 1099

01:20:58   from macworld for a column I road that

01:21:01   just throw it at him and say here and

01:21:03   you know and then have you talked to

01:21:05   talk sports for 15 minutes and then and

01:21:08   he does it all right and then it's all

01:21:11   going you know what I'm pretty sure Mitt

01:21:13   Romney doesn't go to to i would guess

01:21:15   that it's different for him would be

01:21:17   great of his tax return the guy if it's

01:21:18   totally the jet and they don't pay up

01:21:20   and the guy releases it publicly and his

01:21:24   tax returns are are just absolutely like

01:21:26   there's nothing to it there's absolutely

01:21:29   nothing interesting in them

01:21:31   whatsoever just mean nothing to him you

01:21:37   know just exactly like it's 2010 11

01:21:44   because it doesn't at this point

01:21:46   everybody is assumes that there's

01:21:47   something preposterous in their right to

01:21:49   exist you know that this you know that

01:21:51   just shows that you know yeah took all

01:21:53   this money and send it to the cayman

01:21:55   cayman islands and right now I paid

01:21:57   thirty seven dollars and income tax on

01:22:01   20 million dollars in capital gains

01:22:04   so what's your last thing

01:22:09   are you a nervous flyer yes

01:22:14   did you know you know that i didn't know

01:22:16   that yeah and that's why I thought to

01:22:17   call this out this is a this is an

01:22:20   incident earlier today this is gonna is

01:22:22   gonna freak me out

01:22:23   i I'm not fly I'm not flying everything

01:22:27   your future so here's here's the story a

01:22:29   US airways flight headed for Dallas

01:22:32   Philadelphia was diverted back to

01:22:35   Philadelphia this morning because of a

01:22:37   false threat that identified a

01:22:38   particular passenger is carrying

01:22:40   explosives

01:22:41   now here's the statement from Chief

01:22:44   Inspector Joe Sullivan commander of the

01:22:46   Philadelphia Police Department's

01:22:48   anti-terrorism unit all indications are

01:22:50   this was a hoax and a pretty next eprice

01:22:53   played on a passenger

01:22:54   well so the plane goes up and they the

01:23:01   guy called in and said that the guy had

01:23:02   liquid explosives and plan and they had

01:23:04   the flight and apparently that they that

01:23:06   they named the flight and said where it

01:23:08   was going that he was on flight 1267

01:23:11   going to dallas is a 7 730 flight and

01:23:15   they named the particular individual

01:23:17   said he was smuggling smuggling and

01:23:19   explosive on a flight to texas and so

01:23:21   they immediately told the plane to come

01:23:23   back and they they gave it the full

01:23:25   treatment with the you know I guess

01:23:27   parked on the runway as far away from

01:23:29   everything else is they could surround

01:23:30   it had in a long forcement board the

01:23:34   plane and take the guy take the guy out

01:23:37   and outside the plane had him get down

01:23:39   on his knees and and had like the

01:23:42   bomb-sniffing dogs you know give him the

01:23:43   once-over apparently the fellow was very

01:23:46   surprised and and and upset you think so

01:23:52   i was like a friend of his or side maybe

01:23:56   not anymore

01:23:57   yeah well does this not seem like the

01:24:00   stupidest prank you've ever heard of it

01:24:02   yeah

01:24:03   yes because i believe it's pretty close

01:24:06   like did the guy who made this prank did

01:24:10   you really think that he was going to

01:24:12   get away with it

01:24:13   it'sit's I cannot wait to hear the rest

01:24:16   of this story this is the story that I

01:24:17   am I am so intrigued to find the bottom

01:24:20   here's the other thing the plane did

01:24:22   eventually depart for Dallas around like

01:24:25   11 o'clock or 1130 or something like

01:24:27   that now would you if you were on that

01:24:28   flight and this happened here again you

01:24:29   it wasn't you who was the victim of the

01:24:31   prank you're just you know 20 rows back

01:24:33   and all you know is that i'm goin back

01:24:35   to Philly and and then megs points would

01:24:38   you would you then take the flight to

01:24:40   dallas i probably apparently many custom

01:24:43   many of the passengers refused to get

01:24:44   back on and refused to get back on the

01:24:46   plane

01:24:46   yeah well i guess like I mean I guess

01:24:49   you eat if you think that maybe there's

01:24:51   somebody who had his bag still on the

01:24:55   plane right you're getting on exactly

01:24:58   the same plane that would be that would

01:25:01   be questionable right

01:25:02   like what you know or maybe he had a

01:25:04   Confederate or something like that like

01:25:06   yeah yeah that whatever the odds are

01:25:09   that the that any given flight you're

01:25:11   going to be on is going to have that and

01:25:14   a terrorist explosion let's call it

01:25:16   one-in-a-million which is probably way

01:25:19   too hot yeah it looks like this is all

01:25:21   right let's say you're a nervous flyer

01:25:22   than you think the odds are one in a

01:25:23   million the odds of your flight having

01:25:26   something like this happen after this on

01:25:28   the same plane that the guy had somehow

01:25:30   left the bag or you know hidden hidden

01:25:32   something in the bathroom or something

01:25:34   like that you gotta figure it's whatever

01:25:38   the odds are it's greater than the one

01:25:40   in a million of a average other flight

01:25:42   right yeah I have a phobia is that you

01:25:46   don't use it's not rational

01:25:48   it's not your ass

01:25:49   you're obsessed with let me tell you

01:25:51   about it rationally about it

01:25:53   yeah i'm less afraid I i might just to

01:25:56   show you how irrational my phobias I'm

01:25:58   time afraid of turbulence that's mostly

01:26:01   what I'm afraid I'm less afraid of being

01:26:03   bombed right data and cache I'm also

01:26:07   afraid of cats my wife's character

01:26:09   terrified in turbulence really why if I

01:26:12   i can see some day my wife if there's

01:26:14   turbulence that I could just see her

01:26:16   getting up go ahead and just pop it open

01:26:18   the door and just jumping out just

01:26:20   taking chances

01:26:22   yeah you know you can't do that no but I

01:26:25   was not that does not work yet

01:26:27   yeah turbulence is a bit of biz is not

01:26:30   good for for my life now i am which is

01:26:33   in really statistically speaking again

01:26:37   yeah you know I'm like statistically way

01:26:40   that happened it's always am almost

01:26:41   always on if there's like it just like a

01:26:43   regular accident

01:26:45   it's almost always on takeoff and

01:26:46   landing yeah we had a fight once we did

01:26:48   have a flight was probably easily the

01:26:50   worst flight that we ever took together

01:26:51   as we had a flight I forget where we

01:26:52   were going to San Francisco but it was

01:26:54   pretty long

01:26:55   it was a long flight and it was it was

01:27:00   so much turbulence that throughout that

01:27:02   the seatbelt light never went off on the

01:27:04   floor card that is my nightmare

01:27:07   yeah so it was and you know it was going

01:27:10   on I was like I remember being lucky

01:27:12   that because i usually have to pee

01:27:14   because I drink some coffee so like not

01:27:18   being able to pee like I remember that I

01:27:19   even had the thought like you know what

01:27:21   I don't care of the seat belt lights off

01:27:22   if I have to pee

01:27:23   I'm going yeah I'm you know I'll take

01:27:26   I'll take them scolding me rather than

01:27:28   being in my pants

01:27:30   I'm not being my pads but i did you know

01:27:32   it was it ended up i ended up maybe it's

01:27:34   like because i got like you know maybe

01:27:35   because I was thinking about it I never

01:27:37   really got to be that that desperate and

01:27:39   in terms of the pink but it was a very

01:27:42   long

01:27:42   that's a lot of turbulence yeah and it

01:27:45   was it was pretty much it was pretty bad

01:27:48   for her because it never really wears

01:27:50   off either that's the other thing and I

01:27:52   feel terrible for because it's not like

01:27:53   well an hour in of the turbulent flight

01:27:55   now she's settled it was pretty much

01:27:57   like white-knuckled the whole time

01:27:59   yeah all in fact I believe I believe she

01:28:02   had the thought

01:28:03   we got off that we were going to drive

01:28:04   home I would yeah I just can't wait I'm

01:28:11   so hoping that this guy was just like

01:28:13   his buddy and in that it's just some

01:28:16   knucklehead

01:28:17   yeah who thought that young be calling

01:28:19   the threat like that and everybody would

01:28:21   just have a good laugh you're gonna do

01:28:26   some jail time

01:28:27   oh I think it was a serious is a serious

01:28:30   jail time there is Gary like after all

01:28:34   real fast

01:28:35   there is so that i don't know that

01:28:37   there's anywhere in Western civilization

01:28:40   where there is less of a sense of humor

01:28:42   then airline security and you know there

01:28:46   are knuckleheads who you just think

01:28:48   that's funny and that they can do that

01:28:49   right

01:28:53   you should have seen the look on your

01:28:56   face yeah TSA does they they specialize

01:29:00   that's like the first thing they really

01:29:02   that's really the only thing they look

01:29:03   for when they hire is a sense of humor

01:29:04   you get that you get that feeling