The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► I'm nervous let me tell you why I'm

00:00:02 ◼   ► nervous John Smoltz lay down thinkin

00:00:04 ◼   ► thinkin here's what I'm thinking I'm

00:00:06 ◼   ► thinking maybe we talked a little

00:00:08 ◼   ► politics

00:00:09 ◼   ► oh wow here's what I'm thinking is what

00:00:12 ◼   ► I'm thinking

00:00:13 ◼   ► did you watch did you watch Bill Clinton

00:00:14 ◼   ► last night at the convention I i watched

00:00:16 ◼   ► a lot of it it was long and here's why

00:00:19 ◼   ► we can talk about it and nobody can

00:00:21 ◼   ► complain

00:00:22 ◼   ► Steve Jobs his wife laureen Powell Jobs

00:00:24 ◼   ► was there in the audience and the

00:00:27 ◼   ► shoulder on TV did you catch that I did

00:00:29 ◼   ► not see that part she was sitting next

00:00:31 ◼   ► to right next to chelsea clinton ok so

00:00:35 ◼   ► that makes it on topic I suppose so if

00:00:38 ◼   ► you want to go there

00:00:39 ◼   ► I you know what i would like to do it in

00:00:42 ◼   ► a way can you do it in a way can we can

00:00:44 ◼   ► I praise bill clinton in a way that is a

00:00:48 ◼   ► political out that even if you were

00:00:51 ◼   ► you're at happy talk show listener who

00:00:53 ◼   ► loves the tech talk and and and really

00:00:55 ◼   ► loves it when I talk sports

00:00:57 ◼   ► ah can we talk politics in a way that

00:01:00 ◼   ► wouldn't turn anybody off regardless of

00:01:02 ◼   ► how you intend to vote or your interest

00:01:04 ◼   ► in union i know i believe we cannot do

00:01:07 ◼   ► it but but but I'm willing to try and

00:01:10 ◼   ► prevent all i want to say is that I it i

00:01:13 ◼   ► just think Bill Clinton is is is the

00:01:16 ◼   ► greatest speaker I've ever seen in my

00:01:17 ◼   ► life

00:01:17 ◼   ► it was really it seems to me that have

00:01:19 ◼   ► been the best speech of any of the

00:01:22 ◼   ► anything so far we've seen the last two

00:01:24 ◼   ► weeks right if I were including

00:01:26 ◼   ► including motorola nokia like I have a

00:01:29 ◼   ► dual interest in politics where on the

00:01:32 ◼   ► one side i'm interested in politics it

00:01:38 ◼   ► on a policy level you know like like

00:01:40 ◼   ► what actually happens in which way it

00:01:42 ◼   ► goes in there tend to be sort of liberal

00:01:44 ◼   ► in that way but i'm also very interested

00:01:47 ◼   ► in politics as sport you know that the

00:01:51 ◼   ► the election politics and the strategy

00:01:53 ◼   ► and how you frame stuff and and how you

00:01:55 ◼   ► make the commercials and and do that and

00:01:58 ◼   ► in that way i can abstract my personal

00:02:01 ◼   ► preferences i think to some degree and

00:02:04 ◼   ► appreciate when Republicans do things

00:02:07 ◼   ► clever cleverly or smartly and

00:02:09 ◼   ► and you know like i said i would I

00:02:11 ◼   ► remember from the last decade is

00:02:13 ◼   ► thinking that Karl Rove I just remember

00:02:16 ◼   ► thinking man I man i wish that guy were

00:02:17 ◼   ► a Democrat yeah because that guy that

00:02:21 ◼   ► guy with this was crafting yeah i can i

00:02:24 ◼   ► can respect it i can't say that i enjoy

00:02:26 ◼   ► it

00:02:27 ◼   ► yeah enjoying it is a little bit yeah I

00:02:29 ◼   ► can appreciate it maybe that's the right

00:02:31 ◼   ► term pain I and I would be depressed I i

00:02:34 ◼   ► would be very depressed i think if i

00:02:36 ◼   ► were a Republican this time around

00:02:37 ◼   ► because it doesn't seem to me like

00:02:39 ◼   ► they've got anybody like that like that

00:02:42 ◼   ► they don't have a strategy or a cohesive

00:02:44 ◼   ► pneus right they sort of remind me that

00:02:46 ◼   ► I thought they could their convention

00:02:48 ◼   ► reminded me of the the the first

00:02:51 ◼   ► democratic conventions that i can

00:02:53 ◼   ► remember paying attention to like the

00:02:55 ◼   ► Dukakis one in 88 where the reputation

00:02:57 ◼   ► of the Democrats is that they're all

00:02:59 ◼   ► sort of all over the map and they don't

00:03:01 ◼   ► really have a playbook for the whole

00:03:03 ◼   ► party that everybody sticks to it

00:03:05 ◼   ► everybody just gets up there and says

00:03:07 ◼   ► whatever they want right and the

00:03:09 ◼   ► Democrats seem to turn to turn around

00:03:11 ◼   ► we're at I think with the carry

00:03:13 ◼   ► convention they were the ones that look

00:03:15 ◼   ► sort of hapless and yeah well now it

00:03:18 ◼   ► seems that to be really firing on all

00:03:22 ◼   ► cylinders and just they have like a very

00:03:24 ◼   ► simple message that everybody repeat

00:03:26 ◼   ► right right there's only one to say okay

00:03:29 ◼   ► is that I don't think I would know

00:03:32 ◼   ► accidentally to see that's fine right i

00:03:34 ◼   ► dunno i am very curious to see if if if

00:03:36 ◼   ► I get it

00:03:37 ◼   ► any angry and I'm sure you will I'm

00:03:40 ◼   ► writing one right now

00:03:46 ◼   ► what a week it's been crazy man

00:03:48 ◼   ► everybody's releasing these phones but

00:03:49 ◼   ► there ya like I don't you think i don't

00:03:51 ◼   ► know if you saw Twitter this morning but

00:03:53 ◼   ► my i'm also releasing a phone which

00:03:57 ◼   ► because you gotta you know if you want

00:04:00 ◼   ► to think yeah if you want to control

00:04:01 ◼   ► your own future your own destiny

00:04:04 ◼   ► you really have to have your own phone

00:04:05 ◼   ► right and i think it just makes sense

00:04:08 ◼   ► for someone who is a freelance writer to

00:04:11 ◼   ► have their own phone right because i

00:04:13 ◼   ► have i have a lot of content so anyway

00:04:17 ◼   ► the name given name for yeah it's the

00:04:20 ◼   ► it's the most phone extremo

00:04:23 ◼   ► 3dx seen I don't think that's a good

00:04:26 ◼   ► night and it's all it's all in capital

00:04:27 ◼   ► letters so that's what makes a good name

00:04:32 ◼   ► do you do you spelled when you when

00:04:36 ◼   ► you're right on your site and you have

00:04:37 ◼   ► control over you know an editor do you

00:04:39 ◼   ► spell the morn words like razor all caps

00:04:42 ◼   ► like if they ask me to like Motorola's

00:04:45 ◼   ► style and try not to slow them at all

00:04:47 ◼   ► but i would probably spell the rate

00:04:52 ◼   ► razor part i don't know what I don't

00:04:54 ◼   ► know why I mean I try to avoid it

00:04:56 ◼   ► it's just seems really douchey but uh it

00:05:01 ◼   ► does seem like the razor brand you know

00:05:04 ◼   ► back when I had a razor flip phone

00:05:07 ◼   ► yeah that seemed like it was that was

00:05:08 ◼   ► all capitalized or something I don't

00:05:10 ◼   ► capitalize I don't capital don't

00:05:12 ◼   ► capitalize and the app there might be an

00:05:14 ◼   ► exception somewhere but if somebody asks

00:05:16 ◼   ► for their word to be spelled all caps I

00:05:17 ◼   ► don't I don't do that that's probably

00:05:19 ◼   ► that's probably better I mean unless

00:05:21 ◼   ► it's an acronym your exact just if it is

00:05:24 ◼   ► reducing planning an attack from

00:05:25 ◼   ► dominating and you're just playing a

00:05:27 ◼   ► dumb game they're playing right

00:05:29 ◼   ► I like I think it but it sometimes it's

00:05:32 ◼   ► hard to figure out how to spell it

00:05:35 ◼   ► otherwise and i'll give you a good

00:05:37 ◼   ► example here's a good example and I

00:05:40 ◼   ► often i think if you looked at the

00:05:42 ◼   ► daring fireball archives if you went

00:05:44 ◼   ► through i think it was probably one of

00:05:45 ◼   ► the room hopefully rare places where

00:05:47 ◼   ► i've been inconsistent is next

00:05:51 ◼   ► yeah and and even worse they're

00:05:55 ◼   ► operating system next step

00:05:57 ◼   ► yeah which they used to spell all caps

00:05:59 ◼   ► except the e was lower case and that's

00:06:02 ◼   ► how they spot the company name next and

00:06:04 ◼   ► you know uppercase and lowercase ee

00:06:06 ◼   ► uppercase X uppercase T which was sort

00:06:11 ◼   ► of like a very eighties way of looking

00:06:14 ◼   ► tacky right but it's against my style

00:06:19 ◼   ► guide you know and i think that you know

00:06:21 ◼   ► one of the reasons they do it is like a

00:06:22 ◼   ► shameless attempt at getting some extra

00:06:25 ◼   ► you know like if somebody scanning a

00:06:28 ◼   ► webpage or you know even going back

00:06:29 ◼   ► further print remember print Bigley

00:06:33 ◼   ► it's a way of gaining attention you know

00:06:36 ◼   ► that it makes this word pop out you know

00:06:38 ◼   ► when you see razor it's gonna pop out

00:06:40 ◼   ► because the letters are all or all

00:06:42 ◼   ► higher

00:06:43 ◼   ► likewise I don't I don't I don't use the

00:06:46 ◼   ► ! in yahoo's name

00:06:48 ◼   ► yeah i should write that I had a

00:06:52 ◼   ► long-standing draft i have a meeting

00:06:55 ◼   ► like I'm getting your hair style guide

00:06:56 ◼   ► sort of i wanted to write I just about

00:07:00 ◼   ► all these things you know yeah sort of

00:07:02 ◼   ► about my policies on punctuation and you

00:07:05 ◼   ► know

00:07:06 ◼   ► yeah my own personal style guide but

00:07:09 ◼   ► it's that the draft the title of the

00:07:11 ◼   ► draft

00:07:12 ◼   ► I don't even know if I said I'll say it

00:07:13 ◼   ► because i just spent at least eight

00:07:15 ◼   ► years now that's folder so I'm probably

00:07:17 ◼   ► never gonna do but if the title is why i

00:07:20 ◼   ► want bang yahoo it also occurs to me i

00:07:28 ◼   ► had a ride but anyway I won't go I won't

00:07:31 ◼   ► give them the ! because it's not you

00:07:36 ◼   ► know you can't do that right but then

00:07:38 ◼   ► people people people hollering many

00:07:39 ◼   ► people get mad talking a little bit like

00:07:45 ◼   ► my dad because I had spent some time at

00:07:47 ◼   ► the shore with my folks and I did my dad

00:07:49 ◼   ► what will we use the verb aller to say

00:07:51 ◼   ► that somebody's angry at you but people

00:07:54 ◼   ► hollered at me about spelling Apple's

00:08:00 ◼   ► products not the way Apple spells feel

00:08:02 ◼   ► like when I spell mac mini I capitalize

00:08:04 ◼   ► the m instead of all lower so long as

00:08:07 ◼   ► it's a name it's somebody's name if

00:08:11 ◼   ► somebody like the writer

00:08:13 ◼   ► her name is Dana Boyd she you know

00:08:17 ◼   ► stylistically icon your own site and

00:08:18 ◼   ► stuff prefers to spell her entire name

00:08:20 ◼   ► with lowercase letters but if i write

00:08:22 ◼   ► about her i capitalized her name like I

00:08:24 ◼   ► would anybody else's just to be

00:08:26 ◼   ► consistent like to me your name is a

00:08:29 ◼   ► series of letters your name you don't

00:08:30 ◼   ► get to choose which ones are capitalized

00:08:32 ◼   ► we capitalized them that according to a

00:08:34 ◼   ► set of rules but then the the iphone is

00:08:38 ◼   ► also my life well it right and that's

00:08:42 ◼   ► what people do people say i'm being a

00:08:44 ◼   ► hypocrite because I always lower case

00:08:45 ◼   ► the eye

00:08:46 ◼   ► in an eye product no matter where it

00:08:49 ◼   ► falls like the beginning of a sentence

00:08:50 ◼   ► on a headline or something like that

00:08:52 ◼   ► ah and one reason for that is that it

00:08:55 ◼   ► just looks stupid when it's it really

00:08:57 ◼   ► looks awful when you capitalize it and

00:09:01 ◼   ► have you ever seen yeah I'm sometimes in

00:09:02 ◼   ► the new york times you see it and it's

00:09:04 ◼   ► capitalized at the beginning of a

00:09:05 ◼   ► sentence or something yes to some extent

00:09:07 ◼   ► does and the other reason is that and I

00:09:10 ◼   ► guess just to explain my reluctance to

00:09:13 ◼   ► do something so ugly I have justified it

00:09:15 ◼   ► by saying by telling myself that it's a

00:09:18 ◼   ► prefix sort of like like a Scottish or

00:09:24 ◼   ► Irish surname with the MCE rmac where

00:09:28 ◼   ► there's this it now there are they

00:09:29 ◼   ► started with the end but or like the

00:09:31 ◼   ► somebody's name you put an apostrophe in

00:09:34 ◼   ► there alright put my appliance in your

00:09:37 ◼   ► phone somebody or somebodies name has a

00:09:39 ◼   ► de in it you know John the molt and the

00:09:43 ◼   ► DEA is low race well then that's ok it's

00:09:45 ◼   ► like it's like a prefix I'm gonna

00:09:49 ◼   ► consider the eye and those names to be

00:09:51 ◼   ► like that and also the lower case I it's

00:09:53 ◼   ► not obnoxious it doesn't like that the !

00:09:55 ◼   ► in yahoo to me is obnoxious when I see

00:09:57 ◼   ► it in the middle of a sentence it is the

00:10:00 ◼   ► all uppercase razor is just obnoxious

00:10:03 ◼   ► and Emma into the the funds that they

00:10:06 ◼   ► announced yesterday

00:10:08 ◼   ► it's just it's ridiculous they're all

00:10:10 ◼   ► through all uppercase three phones then

00:10:14 ◼   ► I i can't remember the names of thought

00:10:16 ◼   ► my head right now but i can't you're all

00:10:18 ◼   ► yeah which is another sign that it's not

00:10:21 ◼   ► exactly working for him

00:10:23 ◼   ► motorola razr droid maxx yeah one of

00:10:28 ◼   ► them is the max one of them's the am and

00:10:30 ◼   ► then the other ones like the maxx HD or

00:10:33 ◼   ► something

00:10:33 ◼   ► no no no it's the droid HD ones ones

00:10:36 ◼   ► just the HD and one of the HD Magnus and

00:10:39 ◼   ► max has a at least 3 x's yeah but not on

00:10:45 ◼   ► your case

00:10:45 ◼   ► no they are uppercase OE even the max

00:10:49 ◼   ► yeah if you look at their website anyway

00:10:51 ◼   ► if you look at the product website they

00:10:53 ◼   ► are actually uppercase O now I gotta go

00:10:56 ◼   ► gotta go

00:10:59 ◼   ► I think you're palla Paris lemon and ing

00:11:06 ◼   ► and I suppose he had a post on tumblr

00:11:08 ◼   ► yesterday but I have anything after look

00:11:11 ◼   ► at that yeah very hard to see

00:11:14 ◼   ► well here's a site this site that I link

00:11:17 ◼   ► to yesterday I at laptop mag now there's

00:11:21 ◼   ► their spelling it their spelling razor

00:11:23 ◼   ► uppercase but not max uppercase but HD

00:11:27 ◼   ► is uppercase of course because it's an

00:11:29 ◼   ► accurate but i don't know maybe you're

00:11:32 ◼   ► right the motorola spells it differently

00:11:34 ◼   ► yeah I know because I he had mentioned

00:11:35 ◼   ► that i went to their product page and it

00:11:37 ◼   ► looks like they are spelling it's all

00:11:42 ◼   ► uppercase yeah that's really going to

00:11:45 ◼   ► help it it's like their eyes like

00:11:48 ◼   ► they're yelling at you i wrote about

00:11:51 ◼   ► this that I I don't understand why they

00:11:55 ◼   ► have the two versions of the HD the one

00:11:58 ◼   ► max in the non max because they're both

00:12:00 ◼   ► big phones they both have big batteries

00:12:02 ◼   ► it's not like hey this one has a free if

00:12:05 ◼   ► you know for those of you who really

00:12:06 ◼   ► burned through batteries in a day

00:12:08 ◼   ► here's the one we're going to just make

00:12:09 ◼   ► it heavier and put a big battery and for

00:12:11 ◼   ► you and here's the regular one

00:12:13 ◼   ► it seems it's not like here's a regular

00:12:15 ◼   ► battery is a big battery it's here's a

00:12:16 ◼   ► big thick battery and here's one with

00:12:18 ◼   ► the bigger literally thicker battery now

00:12:20 ◼   ► it doesn't see it just seems to me like

00:12:22 ◼   ► they couldn't decide and so they just

00:12:24 ◼   ► shipped them both

00:12:25 ◼   ► I don't understand why both of those

00:12:28 ◼   ► phones exist whereas the M seems like

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's obviously different it's smaller

00:12:32 ◼   ► and it's cheaper

00:12:33 ◼   ► yeah so i can see why it exists there's

00:12:38 ◼   ► a lot going on there and understand is

00:12:42 ◼   ► an idea and I mean the whole thing I

00:12:44 ◼   ► don't understand why motor or by google

00:12:48 ◼   ► I kind of understand what the bottom

00:12:51 ◼   ► I mean given where they are now but I

00:12:55 ◼   ► still don't understand I just don't

00:12:56 ◼   ► understand android you know i don't i

00:12:59 ◼   ► don't either i don't understand it and

00:13:01 ◼   ► and the announcement trying to follow

00:13:02 ◼   ► along with the announcement yesterday I

00:13:04 ◼   ► mean I wasn't watching the video I mean

00:13:06 ◼   ► I was just watching like live blog

00:13:08 ◼   ► covers and stuff I did I got confused at

00:13:10 ◼   ► several points

00:13:11 ◼   ► and I do i was surprised i guess i

00:13:14 ◼   ► shouldn't be maybe I should have taken

00:13:15 ◼   ► google at their word when they said that

00:13:17 ◼   ► they were kind of going to leave

00:13:19 ◼   ► motorola alone that they weren't gonna

00:13:21 ◼   ► lie I just couldn't believe it because

00:13:23 ◼   ► why would you spend billions of dollars

00:13:24 ◼   ► to buy motorola if you weren't gonna run

00:13:27 ◼   ► on the way you wanna to be run and yet

00:13:30 ◼   ► that doesn't seem like what they're

00:13:31 ◼   ► doing like they're still putting like

00:13:33 ◼   ► custom motorola skins on the phones i

00:13:35 ◼   ► mean they're saying I saw a lot of the

00:13:37 ◼   ► coverage of it says that its toned down

00:13:39 ◼   ► that the skin is not as much on top of

00:13:43 ◼   ► pure Android 4.2 hours as you know

00:13:47 ◼   ► previous motorola phones but it's still

00:13:50 ◼   ► there and I don't understand because I

00:13:53 ◼   ► get google I I thought google has been

00:13:54 ◼   ► pretty explicit that they kind of want

00:13:56 ◼   ► to discourage that they would like more

00:13:57 ◼   ► phone makers to ship android like with a

00:14:01 ◼   ► consistent you know everybody gets it

00:14:03 ◼   ► yeah and also seems like they're

00:14:05 ◼   ► shipping a slightly older very are they

00:14:07 ◼   ► are still I think this is think they did

00:14:09 ◼   ► say that it would get the most

00:14:11 ◼   ► up-to-date version but it if you know

00:14:13 ◼   ► which was of course they have to say

00:14:14 ◼   ► that which is kind of fraud but yeah if

00:14:17 ◼   ► they're not shipping on the absolute

00:14:18 ◼   ► latest version and here's the thing that

00:14:20 ◼   ► drove me nuts yesterday and I seriously

00:14:22 ◼   ► I I i wasted at least an hour and it

00:14:25 ◼   ► with this combined with the Lumia ones

00:14:27 ◼   ► trying to find the prices of these

00:14:29 ◼   ► things and on me like a dummy thought

00:14:32 ◼   ► well there must be somewhere and I just

00:14:35 ◼   ► thought well maybe the do you know the

00:14:37 ◼   ► coverages it's just so much news going

00:14:39 ◼   ► on that none of these sites you know

00:14:41 ◼   ► maybe they just haven't noticed that

00:14:42 ◼   ► they haven't reported and so I just

00:14:43 ◼   ► loading and gadget and then the verge

00:14:46 ◼   ► and i think i even went to gizmodo at

00:14:49 ◼   ► one point I don't know I black down and

00:14:52 ◼   ► I'm like I want to get here and went to

00:14:53 ◼   ► the motorola site and nobody has prices

00:14:56 ◼   ► right am I right or am I wrong that

00:14:58 ◼   ► there's I believe how many phones were

00:14:59 ◼   ► announced yesterday five because be

00:15:02 ◼   ► motorola announced three and right and

00:15:05 ◼   ► there were two yeah there were two

00:15:07 ◼   ► Lumias and price there was only one

00:15:11 ◼   ► price announced and that was as far as i

00:15:13 ◼   ► know and that was for the m which is any

00:15:16 ◼   ► which 199 that

00:15:17 ◼   ► and I but the that none of the other

00:15:19 ◼   ► phones are shipping it right so which is

00:15:23 ◼   ► more than iphones announced yesterday

00:15:25 ◼   ► aren't know we have no ship dates yet

00:15:27 ◼   ► and we have no prices right right the

00:15:30 ◼   ► other end the other two phones now we've

00:15:31 ◼   ► got the Lumia 9200 and the Lumia 80 no

00:15:38 ◼   ► no not 920 and the Lumia 820 and the a20

00:15:45 ◼   ► looks to me like a nicer sighs I got

00:15:47 ◼   ► really i'm not a fan of those bigger

00:15:50 ◼   ► phones I've tried carrying some of those

00:15:52 ◼   ► around and and I just don't care for

00:15:54 ◼   ► them and the Lumia that I got to try

00:15:56 ◼   ► last year the that was the impetus the

00:15:59 ◼   ► 800 is like exactly iphone shaped more

00:16:03 ◼   ► or less you know

00:16:05 ◼   ► yeah really really close and I found it

00:16:07 ◼   ► to be delightful to put my pocket and to

00:16:09 ◼   ► carry that filter those are fairly

00:16:14 ◼   ► good-looking phones i'm not a big fan of

00:16:16 ◼   ► the bright colors but I had taken their

00:16:18 ◼   ► lack yeah but you can't block right

00:16:20 ◼   ► right but it just seems like spec-wise

00:16:24 ◼   ► that the Lumia the new 820 is really

00:16:27 ◼   ► like low-end like it's it's old tech

00:16:30 ◼   ► it's really like a low res screen

00:16:32 ◼   ► I like the 800 x 480 a few pixels and

00:16:36 ◼   ► whatever it is to make it 16 x nine but

00:16:39 ◼   ► it's like an 800 x 480 pixel screen

00:16:41 ◼   ► whereas the 920 as like what I can 1200

00:16:46 ◼   ► or 1280 by 768 screen like it's it's

00:16:50 ◼   ► actually got more pixels per inch than

00:16:53 ◼   ► the iphone 4s I quite like two or three

00:16:56 ◼   ► like 326 pixels per inch for the apples

00:16:59 ◼   ► Retina display and it's like 330 or 333

00:17:02 ◼   ► or something like that on this new Lumia

00:17:04 ◼   ► which sounds that sounds great I can't

00:17:06 ◼   ► wait to see it

00:17:07 ◼   ► are you a rocking horse I am her son

00:17:12 ◼   ► some idea are you a boom mic i do yeah

00:17:15 ◼   ► i'm only getting started so yes I think

00:17:18 ◼   ► I hear it's alright it's ok i'm just

00:17:20 ◼   ► very nervous i know i know yeah I

00:17:22 ◼   ► understand it's okay still is in lots of

00:17:24 ◼   ► coffee i'm sure

00:17:25 ◼   ► mmm i just took a sip yeah but anyway so

00:17:30 ◼   ► they announced the phone

00:17:31 ◼   ► where the software is not available yet

00:17:34 ◼   ► and it doesn't even have a firm ship

00:17:36 ◼   ► date other than quote-unquote fall you

00:17:40 ◼   ► know so i guess sometime before december

00:17:42 ◼   ► and no prices

00:17:48 ◼   ► I don't even think they said what

00:17:50 ◼   ► carriers in the US are going to carry it

00:17:52 ◼   ► and I know it's a worldwide announcement

00:17:54 ◼   ► that they're going to sell this thing

00:17:55 ◼   ► all over the world and that I shouldn't

00:17:56 ◼   ► be totally us-centric and that Nokia

00:17:58 ◼   ► doesn't a lot better in Europe than they

00:18:00 ◼   ► do in North America block but it's you

00:18:01 ◼   ► know telling you I mean it just seems

00:18:03 ◼   ► frustrating to me it's like I here's

00:18:06 ◼   ► guide to me every product announcements

00:18:08 ◼   ► here's what it is here's why you should

00:18:10 ◼   ► care about it

00:18:11 ◼   ► here's where to get it and here's what

00:18:12 ◼   ► it costs and and now they're making

00:18:15 ◼   ► these product announcements without the

00:18:16 ◼   ► where to get it and what it costs and we

00:18:18 ◼   ► now have two in a row from Microsoft

00:18:21 ◼   ► right right and I guess this one will be

00:18:24 ◼   ► nearer term than the surface tablets

00:18:27 ◼   ► where I mean and write a matter of weeks

00:18:29 ◼   ► rather than you know half a year but it

00:18:33 ◼   ► does seem weird and it seems to me like

00:18:34 ◼   ► a way this is Demi and when i'm leaving

00:18:37 ◼   ► with this whole thing is that it just

00:18:39 ◼   ► seems very clear to me that these these

00:18:40 ◼   ► these companies have jumped the gun

00:18:44 ◼   ► this week because they want to announce

00:18:46 ◼   ► these things before apple announces yeah

00:18:49 ◼   ► the next iphone next week and I don't

00:18:52 ◼   ► understand why

00:18:53 ◼   ► yeah I don't I don't I mean I guess the

00:18:57 ◼   ► theory is that year you put that

00:19:00 ◼   ► placeholder in people's minds so they

00:19:02 ◼   ► don't run out and buy the iphone but is

00:19:05 ◼   ► that what is really going to stop and

00:19:06 ◼   ► how many people is that gonna stop for

00:19:08 ◼   ► buying an iphone you know what that's a

00:19:09 ◼   ► very interesting way to put it and it

00:19:11 ◼   ► didn't occur to me that might be it and

00:19:15 ◼   ► I think it's it might be fueled a little

00:19:17 ◼   ► bit by hubris where where you think

00:19:20 ◼   ► you'll make think that people are going

00:19:21 ◼   ► to stop but lining up to buy an iPhone

00:19:24 ◼   ► because you announce this thing doesn't

00:19:26 ◼   ► that doesn't have any price or shipping

00:19:27 ◼   ► right that they're so convinced in the

00:19:31 ◼   ► appeal of what they're announcing that

00:19:34 ◼   ► they think that there might be a

00:19:36 ◼   ► sizeable number of people who will think

00:19:38 ◼   ► that way see well I where I think it's

00:19:42 ◼   ► crazy is to me the whole point of the

00:19:44 ◼   ► ease of doing the product announcement

00:19:46 ◼   ► that gets as much press attention as you

00:19:48 ◼   ► can garner is to drive people to action

00:19:52 ◼   ► and say look we want you to be excited

00:19:54 ◼   ► about this and we want you to go order

00:19:57 ◼   ► it right now go buy one right go get in

00:19:59 ◼   ► line

00:20:01 ◼   ► ah whereas I I just feel like it's a

00:20:04 ◼   ► very complicated message and I don't

00:20:06 ◼   ► think it it's the way consumers act is

00:20:08 ◼   ► to say here's this thing we're going to

00:20:09 ◼   ► have in a couple of weeks remember it

00:20:11 ◼   ► stay excited about it and go get in line

00:20:16 ◼   ► six weeks from that by contrast today as

00:20:23 ◼   ► we speak

00:20:25 ◼   ► amazon has announced a bunch of Kindle

00:20:29 ◼   ► Fire Kindle rears what have this still

00:20:33 ◼   ► is it literally as we're talking as

00:20:35 ◼   ► literally as we're talking yes it's

00:20:36 ◼   ► going alright so do the news John they

00:20:39 ◼   ► have announced a what's a tin kindle

00:20:43 ◼   ► paper that people were joking that's the

00:20:46 ◼   ► kindle paperweight but that's not the

00:20:48 ◼   ► name of it it's a it's basically it's a

00:20:50 ◼   ► backlit you know regular kindle just

00:20:57 ◼   ► like the basically just the e-reader

00:20:59 ◼   ► e-ink the ink with backlit paper light i

00:21:04 ◼   ► guess probably paper light and like a

00:21:08 ◼   ► hundred and started 2 $20 something like

00:21:12 ◼   ► that and then also to new kindle fires

00:21:15 ◼   ► and what is it was a 9-inch em HD so far

00:21:21 ◼   ► that is what I see so far uh and the big

00:21:26 ◼   ► rub in the air yeah big rumor is that

00:21:28 ◼   ► they'll be announcing a phone right well

00:21:32 ◼   ► we'll stay tuned and we was interested

00:21:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah what is there a position

00:21:37 ◼   ► which but they're you know they're

00:21:39 ◼   ► announcing they're announcing prices and

00:21:42 ◼   ► dates

00:21:42 ◼   ► alright well and that's because you know

00:21:44 ◼   ► and that's why amazon is in my opinion

00:21:47 ◼   ► apples strongest competitor

00:21:49 ◼   ► yeah it's almost it's like it there in a

00:21:51 ◼   ► position of strength like Apple whereas

00:21:54 ◼   ► microsoft and motorola or not

00:21:57 ◼   ► right with it sounds like a good tablet

00:21:59 ◼   ► 8.9 inches 9 20 x 1200 display that's

00:22:04 ◼   ► 250 4 pixels per inch so ah that's like

00:22:08 ◼   ► right there in line with the retina iPad

00:22:12 ◼   ► yeah right you know it's I think it's a

00:22:14 ◼   ► great idea is I don't get sick that I

00:22:17 ◼   ► even know this but I think the right now

00:22:18 ◼   ► ipad is 263 pixels per inch and I would

00:22:22 ◼   ► completely concede that nine pixels per

00:22:24 ◼   ► inches is you could add surrounding our

00:22:27 ◼   ► so that sounds good

00:22:29 ◼   ► the base kindle fire hundred fifty nine

00:22:32 ◼   ► dollars for the 7-inch tablets and what

00:22:35 ◼   ► does the 8.9 inch cost time doesn't like

00:22:38 ◼   ► that rolling scrolling scrolling don't

00:22:43 ◼   ► see it yet but i don't see it

00:22:45 ◼   ► well that's how you do it that's right

00:22:48 ◼   ► here we are here we are live news amazon

00:22:51 ◼   ► helping out the talk showed during the

00:22:53 ◼   ► recording

00:22:54 ◼   ► yeah by just doing exactly what i said

00:23:01 ◼   ► here's what it is

00:23:03 ◼   ► here's why you'd be interested in it

00:23:04 ◼   ► here's where to get it and consequently

00:23:06 ◼   ► I get more excited by their

00:23:08 ◼   ► announcements exactly i mean even when

00:23:11 ◼   ► they're just coming up I let the last

00:23:15 ◼   ► year when that the kindle was was

00:23:17 ◼   ► announced that is probably the most

00:23:18 ◼   ► excited I've been for another product

00:23:20 ◼   ► announcement outside of Apple never and

00:23:24 ◼   ► i'm also intrigued by the the the

00:23:27 ◼   ► vectors of competition in other words

00:23:31 ◼   ► whose more in competition with each

00:23:34 ◼   ► other I mean ultimately they're all in

00:23:36 ◼   ► competition like let's just say for the

00:23:38 ◼   ► tablet market and you have a

00:23:40 ◼   ► ten-year-old kid who really want a

00:23:42 ◼   ► tablet for Christmas when you're only

00:23:43 ◼   ► going to buy one so in a sense they're

00:23:45 ◼   ► all competing with each other to have an

00:23:48 ◼   ► array of devices that you're going to

00:23:50 ◼   ► choose from but and spend 200 or 300 or

00:23:53 ◼   ► 400 dollars and that gift for your you

00:23:56 ◼   ► know eight-year-old daughter

00:23:57 ◼   ► ah but they're not really competing with

00:24:03 ◼   ► each other equally I think Amazon is far

00:24:06 ◼   ► more focused against Google with this

00:24:10 ◼   ► tattoo

00:24:11 ◼   ► tablets yeah okay and you know what

00:24:13 ◼   ► here's a email I just got from the

00:24:14 ◼   ► reader here's a line from jeff bezos at

00:24:18 ◼   ► the event for high-def device 8

00:24:20 ◼   ► gigabytes is dead on arrival

00:24:22 ◼   ► that's clearly about the the google

00:24:26 ◼   ► nexus 7

00:24:27 ◼   ► yeah which only has a gigabytes of

00:24:29 ◼   ► storage which doesn't seem very well

00:24:31 ◼   ► except they think he's there he's

00:24:32 ◼   ► talking about the 9-inch so I think he's

00:24:35 ◼   ► talking about the larger because the HD

00:24:38 ◼   ► one is the larger form factor

00:24:40 ◼   ► yeah well I don't know and no but i

00:24:43 ◼   ► don't think anybody cells in google

00:24:44 ◼   ► doesn't sell it a tenant 910 and shrimp

00:24:46 ◼   ► tablet we have it the tablet they do

00:24:49 ◼   ► sell it anyways

00:24:50 ◼   ► yes yeah but i'm not sure i think that

00:24:53 ◼   ► maybe the base Kendall still has a keg

00:24:54 ◼   ► words what it would do do you fill up

00:24:57 ◼   ► your ipad not anymore cuz i got 32

00:25:01 ◼   ► I mean I used to have a 16 and I feel

00:25:03 ◼   ► that upright exactly the 16 of was a

00:25:05 ◼   ► real struggle because i am I i think i

00:25:07 ◼   ► got the first one was only sixteen

00:25:09 ◼   ► because I really you know I just thought

00:25:11 ◼   ► you don't I I really bought into the

00:25:13 ◼   ► idea that I would only just sink you

00:25:15 ◼   ► know if I needed a movie I'd put the

00:25:16 ◼   ► movie on and then when I was done I

00:25:18 ◼   ► would take it off and then it's it

00:25:20 ◼   ► yeah you have to give you have to get

00:25:21 ◼   ► pretty adept at managing that right and

00:25:24 ◼   ► the thing that i have found two is if

00:25:26 ◼   ► you're gonna go on a trip and you want

00:25:28 ◼   ► some movies on your iPad you gotta put

00:25:30 ◼   ► them all on before you leave the house

00:25:31 ◼   ► because you don't want to do it at no

00:25:34 ◼   ► you're not going to get it on the

00:25:35 ◼   ► airport Wi-Fi you're definitely not you

00:25:37 ◼   ► didn't allow you to do it over 3g if you

00:25:40 ◼   ► have the 3g model and even if you did it

00:25:42 ◼   ► would you know what movie would use at

00:25:44 ◼   ► the whole data alignment and you don't

00:25:45 ◼   ► want to try to get a hotel you know what

00:25:49 ◼   ► their Wi-Fi exactly right

00:25:51 ◼   ► it's just going to your iphones or ipads

00:25:53 ◼   ► just going to shut down and tell you

00:25:54 ◼   ► that you know stop stop and your kids

00:25:57 ◼   ► your kids sitting there screaming for

00:25:58 ◼   ► clone wars exactly you gotta load up my

00:26:00 ◼   ► and if you want to load up a couple

00:26:02 ◼   ► movies really you know all of a sudden

00:26:04 ◼   ► 32 is what you need

00:26:06 ◼   ► yeah so that's what I went to last time

00:26:09 ◼   ► and I don't do that with the iphone i

00:26:14 ◼   ► still go 16 with the iphone because I

00:26:16 ◼   ► just don't I'm gonna cut because i have

00:26:18 ◼   ► the ipad i don't watch anything on the

00:26:22 ◼   ► iphone anymore really

00:26:23 ◼   ► see I go I max out my iphone because i'm

00:26:25 ◼   ► an idiot 64 yeah i do I just my god the

00:26:29 ◼   ► biggest huh

00:26:31 ◼   ► because i'm a total idiot i really am

00:26:33 ◼   ► what was my tweet from a couple years

00:26:35 ◼   ► ago is my all-time most favorited tweet

00:26:37 ◼   ► i think it was something along the lines

00:26:39 ◼   ► of I don't drink I don't gamble my only

00:26:43 ◼   ► vice

00:26:44 ◼   ► my only advice is buying a new iphone

00:26:48 ◼   ► every year that in lying about drinking

00:26:50 ◼   ► and gambling I now I do and and you know

00:26:55 ◼   ► what you know why it is is that i have i

00:26:57 ◼   ► want all my put all my music on it the

00:26:59 ◼   ► whole library i think the library and I

00:27:01 ◼   ► need the 64 for that because otherwise I

00:27:04 ◼   ► like twice like two times I've been on

00:27:07 ◼   ► an airplane and the only thing I have to

00:27:09 ◼   ► listen to music is my iphone and I've

00:27:11 ◼   ► been in the mood for something

00:27:12 ◼   ► particular and it wasn't in the subset

00:27:15 ◼   ► of my library that i synced and then I

00:27:20 ◼   ► thought well the next time i buy a phone

00:27:21 ◼   ► i'm getting the big one so I net that

00:27:23 ◼   ► will never happen to me again hundred

00:27:25 ◼   ► twenty-eight yeah did you ever have

00:27:28 ◼   ► degenerate like a huge to generate huge

00:27:30 ◼   ► ipod the like the what I forget how got

00:27:35 ◼   ► big they got they got they got

00:27:36 ◼   ► absolutely i did not i I got off the

00:27:38 ◼   ► hard drive ones early pretty early it

00:27:42 ◼   ► was before they went metallic it was

00:27:44 ◼   ► still like white plastic but I i forget

00:27:46 ◼   ► how big my biggest i pod was but they

00:27:50 ◼   ► quickly their hard drives quickly got to

00:27:51 ◼   ► a size where it was ridiculous

00:27:53 ◼   ► oh yeah i was even though they really

00:27:55 ◼   ► did ya buying a hard drive based ipod

00:27:57 ◼   ► got you want that to me as a person who

00:28:00 ◼   ► has enjoy some music but is not like a

00:28:02 ◼   ► huge music guy like I've my library

00:28:05 ◼   ► honor it fits on a 64 gigabyte iphone

00:28:07 ◼   ► because i get in at 260 260 gigs that's

00:28:10 ◼   ► what that's all that's crazy i think

00:28:12 ◼   ► they had one parent is that though did

00:28:13 ◼   ► they have got that I thought they did

00:28:15 ◼   ► too i thought that they think they're

00:28:17 ◼   ► going to build this is very feature-rich

00:28:19 ◼   ► model right and now they just have the

00:28:21 ◼   ► huge model but that's you know I I still

00:28:24 ◼   ► die i do understand that that's useful

00:28:27 ◼   ► yeah

00:28:28 ◼   ► Egypt DJ's right DJs and and people who

00:28:32 ◼   ► are just serious about music and I'm not

00:28:34 ◼   ► that's the night I don't I never have

00:28:37 ◼   ► that problem

00:28:38 ◼   ► it used to be I remember one time like a

00:28:40 ◼   ► close friend was getting married and and

00:28:44 ◼   ► because it was their clothes it's like

00:28:45 ◼   ► somehow i forget what maybe i was in the

00:28:47 ◼   ► wedding party or somebody had to go to

00:28:48 ◼   ► the reception real early and I got to

00:28:52 ◼   ► see the DJ setting up and it's just like

00:28:54 ◼   ► 20 minutes are going back and forth to

00:28:57 ◼   ► his van to get milk crates full of cds

00:29:01 ◼   ► and albums out of the van and that's all

00:29:05 ◼   ► you know that's all over now right

00:29:07 ◼   ► I remember like in high school like in

00:29:10 ◼   ► high school dances like that the DJ

00:29:12 ◼   ► would have you know just piles and

00:29:14 ◼   ► popular all like a library of cds behind

00:29:16 ◼   ► them

00:29:17 ◼   ► yeah I don't need that you just have an

00:29:18 ◼   ► ipod looking looking back

00:29:22 ◼   ► actually I think I'm 60 might be the

00:29:24 ◼   ► largest-ever god no I could be wrong i

00:29:27 ◼   ► can tell you exactly how many pixels

00:29:29 ◼   ► sharing on an iPad all right you keep

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00:32:00 ◼   ► really like the online shopping

00:32:02 ◼   ► yeah shoes you buy shoes online yeah

00:32:06 ◼   ► because I know my sons and my size in

00:32:08 ◼   ► the brands that I i think the last time

00:32:10 ◼   ► i did buy a pair of a different they

00:32:12 ◼   ► differ by brand

00:32:13 ◼   ► yeah well that's what it's like a nine

00:32:15 ◼   ► and not the nine up for everyone right I

00:32:18 ◼   ► know exactly what I take those and let's

00:32:20 ◼   ► face it most issues i buy your sneakers

00:32:22 ◼   ► so right i know what I taking the

00:32:23 ◼   ► devious and I know what I taken nike

00:32:25 ◼   ► yeah and now i have it since I quit

00:32:28 ◼   ► working for the man i don't have got

00:32:30 ◼   ► very different clothing needs yeah which

00:32:35 ◼   ► is great it's really great working for

00:32:37 ◼   ► the man thanks I'm stuffed don't get me

00:32:41 ◼   ► started i'm working for the man i'll

00:32:42 ◼   ► tell you what though if you work for the

00:32:43 ◼   ► man if you still work for the man you

00:32:45 ◼   ► would want to go to Franco com you would

00:32:48 ◼   ► i'm telling you look great people say

00:32:50 ◼   ► man you're sharply can do I might have

00:32:53 ◼   ► done well better working for

00:32:54 ◼   ► man that's overkill for our lifestyle

00:32:59 ◼   ► yeah that's ok I usually look homeless

00:33:02 ◼   ► every once in a while you need that you

00:33:03 ◼   ► go to Vegas a lot you need to look good

00:33:05 ◼   ► in Vegas that's true that is true Cena

00:33:07 ◼   ► and I don't want to look like a big you

00:33:09 ◼   ► want to look like a player when you're

00:33:10 ◼   ► in vegas exactly i guarantee you next

00:33:12 ◼   ► time I go to Vegas I will be packing

00:33:14 ◼   ► clothes from Franco com you bet

00:33:17 ◼   ► check the tag you see me in Vegas any of

00:33:18 ◼   ► you out there you see me in Vegas next

00:33:20 ◼   ► time check the tag on my shirt and see

00:33:22 ◼   ► what's from let's take your word for it

00:33:24 ◼   ► yeah or you could take my word for it

00:33:26 ◼   ► like imagine somebody to call me check

00:33:31 ◼   ► yeah check your dad

00:33:32 ◼   ► imagine somebody calls me on that but

00:33:33 ◼   ► it's better like that it's not and I'm

00:33:36 ◼   ► like well it's not a friend of shirt but

00:33:38 ◼   ► i am wearing nice slacks oh let me check

00:33:40 ◼   ► my advance check my tickets

00:33:43 ◼   ► that's how vegas trip really starts

00:33:46 ◼   ► going bad or good

00:33:48 ◼   ► hey you know Sarah starts starts getting

00:33:53 ◼   ► rolling casino security comes over and

00:33:55 ◼   ► gives me the spiel about not being

00:33:57 ◼   ► allowed to take your pants off your sr

00:33:59 ◼   ► you're like you're like Bruce Wayne and

00:34:04 ◼   ► the in the pool with a with her

00:34:06 ◼   ► yeah without value with some with some

00:34:08 ◼   ► some models the kindle fire HD this is

00:34:13 ◼   ► the 9 inch one will be available for 299

00:34:16 ◼   ► dollars 299 dollars

00:34:18 ◼   ► Wow aggressive yeah rest of setting the

00:34:22 ◼   ► bar right that's a hundred dollars less

00:34:25 ◼   ► than off have to yeah visit that i'm

00:34:29 ◼   ► correct right 398 399 for the ipad 2

00:34:31 ◼   ► which is not yeah I red string right i

00:34:36 ◼   ► think i could be wrong i have this hunch

00:34:40 ◼   ► that when apple unveils the ipad mini

00:34:42 ◼   ► that they're going to get rid of the

00:34:44 ◼   ► ipad 2

00:34:45 ◼   ► no really I don't know though i might be

00:34:49 ◼   ► wrong now because maybe that's how they

00:34:50 ◼   ► still fill in that maybe it would still

00:34:52 ◼   ► leave like a big price gap

00:34:54 ◼   ► yeah i think it would yeah and we talked

00:34:58 ◼   ► about this before we were in what 250

00:35:01 ◼   ► but next one of the best friend taken

00:35:04 ◼   ► out 24 maybe they have to guy I they

00:35:05 ◼   ► might have to

00:35:06 ◼   ► 199 because what's the price on that the

00:35:08 ◼   ► 7-inch kindle and now it's now it's less

00:35:12 ◼   ► so it's 160 I think wow yeah yeah 16 159

00:35:18 ◼   ► yeah 159 aggressive

00:35:22 ◼   ► amazon is kind of crazy amazon's the guy

00:35:24 ◼   ► also ok so now they got okay we've got

00:35:27 ◼   ► three models they have the old kindle

00:35:30 ◼   ► fire which is not which is actually an

00:35:32 ◼   ► upgraded old kindle fire 459 dollars 7

00:35:36 ◼   ► inch HD 499 and then 8.9 inch HD for 299

00:35:44 ◼   ► hm ships November 20th at the top of the

00:35:50 ◼   ► line there that's pretty late

00:35:53 ◼   ► it shows you that they're pushing it i

00:35:54 ◼   ► mean least they have a day have a date

00:35:56 ◼   ► right and a price and a price

00:36:00 ◼   ► Amazon's pricing their their willingness

00:36:02 ◼   ► to to sell stuff of what seemingly at

00:36:05 ◼   ► cost or near cost

00:36:07 ◼   ► yeah that makes them like the crazy guy

00:36:09 ◼   ► at the poker table like the guy like

00:36:11 ◼   ► Jake you're playing poker and there's

00:36:13 ◼   ► Jeff Bezos and he he just doesn't even

00:36:14 ◼   ► look at his cards you deal the amount

00:36:16 ◼   ► and he just leave them on the table and

00:36:18 ◼   ► he just says I'm i bet a hundred dollars

00:36:20 ◼   ► and you now you don't even know your

00:36:22 ◼   ► guys the guys nuts you have no idea is

00:36:25 ◼   ► good i mean it's really aggressive i

00:36:28 ◼   ► guess it works for them

00:36:30 ◼   ► I mean I they have a lot of content

00:36:35 ◼   ► right so anything they sell it costs the

00:36:39 ◼   ► anything they get up above that is gravy

00:36:42 ◼   ► right and they you know i just i know

00:36:45 ◼   ► you know i think just announced this

00:36:47 ◼   ► stuff so we can't say I you know nobody

00:36:48 ◼   ► nobody has reviewed these these products

00:36:50 ◼   ► yet but I expect them to be pretty good

00:36:52 ◼   ► simply it because of the history where

00:36:56 ◼   ► the original kindle each tablet re-ink

00:37:00 ◼   ► reader the first one was terrible it was

00:37:03 ◼   ► a complete turn and one year later they

00:37:06 ◼   ► had a pretty good one

00:37:07 ◼   ► like that's just how they roll is that

00:37:09 ◼   ► they are going to ship one like a year

00:37:11 ◼   ► too early just to hit the market

00:37:13 ◼   ► I and test the waters and they're going

00:37:17 ◼   ► to fix all the agree just

00:37:19 ◼   ► problems you know within that first year

00:37:21 ◼   ► yeah that's what I expect

00:37:24 ◼   ► yeah but they will never ever announced

00:37:29 ◼   ► sales you didn't buy a fire did you know

00:37:31 ◼   ► I didn't I I completely resisted yeah I

00:37:35 ◼   ► wanted to and then by the time they

00:37:37 ◼   ► shipped I i cooled off

00:37:39 ◼   ► yeah the it didn't seem as good as what

00:37:43 ◼   ► I wanted it to be like I said I was

00:37:45 ◼   ► excited excited for the announcement and

00:37:47 ◼   ► then somewhat letdown after reading the

00:37:49 ◼   ► reviews right and hopefully these will

00:37:51 ◼   ► be better

00:37:52 ◼   ► yeah I i really do expect them to and I

00:37:54 ◼   ► kind i really do think that there it's

00:37:58 ◼   ► more competitive more directly

00:38:00 ◼   ► competitive with the google nexus than

00:38:02 ◼   ► with the ipad it will see but i feel

00:38:09 ◼   ► like these bigger ones now that I'm

00:38:10 ◼   ► their their 4g yep

00:38:15 ◼   ► what more expensive one is coming with

00:38:17 ◼   ► 4g 32 gigs of space for 99 I like i have

00:38:24 ◼   ► the e-ink ones are still selling i

00:38:27 ◼   ► suspect i used to see it when I used to

00:38:30 ◼   ► commute I saw a ton of those things I

00:38:32 ◼   ► trying i really think though I think

00:38:35 ◼   ► with those e-ink ones and I could be

00:38:37 ◼   ► wrong but I do think because i have 1i

00:38:40 ◼   ► and I didn't even buy it for myself

00:38:42 ◼   ► Marco our good friend Marco Arment

00:38:45 ◼   ► bought it for me as a gift and it's the

00:38:47 ◼   ► 22 year old one it's a the kindle i

00:38:51 ◼   ► forget what model year is but it's got

00:38:53 ◼   ► like it's dark grey and it has a

00:38:55 ◼   ► physical keyboard

00:38:56 ◼   ► uh-huh and I i do enjoy it and I used it

00:38:59 ◼   ► more than I thought for a while until I

00:39:02 ◼   ► really kind of got used to reading books

00:39:04 ◼   ► on the ipad yeah but i do think though

00:39:08 ◼   ► that once you have one you don't really

00:39:11 ◼   ► need a new 12 years later just because

00:39:13 ◼   ► it's a little better

00:39:15 ◼   ► it's I don't think it's as much like

00:39:16 ◼   ► phones and tablets because you don't do

00:39:18 ◼   ► as many other things I think back I

00:39:21 ◼   ► think a backlit one might change that

00:39:23 ◼   ► yeah about certain great that might be

00:39:26 ◼   ► it but if it's yeah but if it's just the

00:39:28 ◼   ► regular one

00:39:29 ◼   ► No

00:39:29 ◼   ► him you know because I do see when I see

00:39:32 ◼   ► people on airplanes reading even with me

00:39:34 ◼   ► and tablet it you know there are a lot

00:39:36 ◼   ► of them i see a lot of older candles I

00:39:41 ◼   ► don't you know I just don't know that

00:39:42 ◼   ► people replace them as free clothing

00:39:44 ◼   ► now what they drop the price to now the

00:39:47 ◼   ► prices down to sixty nine dollars right

00:39:49 ◼   ► Ernie and tablet

00:39:51 ◼   ► yeah i know there's an explanation that

00:39:52 ◼   ► they're gonna do we're gonna make it

00:39:53 ◼   ► free

00:39:54 ◼   ► that's the one with ads though right

00:39:55 ◼   ► yeah i think so i think that the lowest

00:39:59 ◼   ► price one comes with that right that I

00:40:04 ◼   ► would not die so does the 7-inch tablet

00:40:07 ◼   ► is the 7-inch kindle have any 3g

00:40:09 ◼   ► connectivity or just know just the guy I

00:40:12 ◼   ► think just the 9-inch 1i think that's

00:40:16 ◼   ► where Apple really depending on the

00:40:17 ◼   ► pricing I think that's where they're

00:40:19 ◼   ► really going to steal the show on that

00:40:20 ◼   ► the ipad mini because i'm convinced that

00:40:23 ◼   ► they were going to sell it with the same

00:40:25 ◼   ► either get it cheap you know wifi-only

00:40:29 ◼   ► is cheaper and for a hundred extra box

00:40:31 ◼   ► you can get one with 4g known it you

00:40:35 ◼   ► know the nexus doesn't have it and the

00:40:38 ◼   ► amazon one doesn't have it

00:40:39 ◼   ► yeah so you're going you of you flying

00:40:43 ◼   ► out i am flying out i was just got to

00:40:45 ◼   ► segue to that you're so astute john i am

00:40:48 ◼   ► going I really am for the big apple

00:40:52 ◼   ► event

00:40:52 ◼   ► yeah you will not be there i guess i

00:40:55 ◼   ► have stice still have not gotten my

00:40:58 ◼   ► invitation

00:40:59 ◼   ► that's that you know what that's going

00:41:00 ◼   ► to happen now should happen you should

00:41:02 ◼   ► get invited to stuff like that

00:41:04 ◼   ► well that would be fun a lot of

00:41:12 ◼   ► speculation surprisingly usually people

00:41:15 ◼   ► don't speculate in advance of of apple

00:41:17 ◼   ► announcements

00:41:21 ◼   ► did you see documented did you see

00:41:26 ◼   ► have you seen the and it's died I next

00:41:29 ◼   ► week's thing is it seems pretty clear

00:41:31 ◼   ► the invitation kind of hints with the

00:41:33 ◼   ► shadow that looks like a five the

00:41:37 ◼   ► invitation seems to make it pretty clear

00:41:39 ◼   ► that it's going to be about the iphone 5

00:41:41 ◼   ► and I have

00:41:43 ◼   ► heard from my famous little birdies that

00:41:45 ◼   ► I've heard that the event will only be

00:41:48 ◼   ► about the iphone and and I think

00:41:51 ◼   ► corresponding with that iOS 6 which i'm

00:41:54 ◼   ► guessing we'll have some sort of feature

00:41:56 ◼   ► that they had announced previously and

00:41:58 ◼   ► i'm guessing some apps you know that

00:42:00 ◼   ► they always have new apps from Apple to

00:42:03 ◼   ► show off you know the phone maybe some

00:42:06 ◼   ► new series features and stuff like that

00:42:08 ◼   ► but it's you know

00:42:10 ◼   ► yeah that's what I've heard is that the

00:42:12 ◼   ► event will be about one device the

00:42:14 ◼   ► iphone 5 and the software that runs on

00:42:16 ◼   ► it but just in terms of that sort of

00:42:21 ◼   ► speculation and and and hype that people

00:42:26 ◼   ► generate in advance of these things you

00:42:28 ◼   ► see macrumors paid a guide to do like a

00:42:30 ◼   ► 3d render of what the ipad mini could

00:42:34 ◼   ► look like oh I i just saw I didn't sell

00:42:37 ◼   ► quickly it's it's really well done and

00:42:41 ◼   ► it's like done in 10 in WebGL which I i

00:42:44 ◼   ► don't recall ever having used before you

00:42:46 ◼   ► have to go in to develop menu and safari

00:42:48 ◼   ► and turn it on but then it's you know

00:42:50 ◼   ► it's like the old quicktime GL where you

00:42:52 ◼   ► can click and drag to rotate it in 3d or

00:42:55 ◼   ► wherever you want but it's a 3d render I

00:42:58 ◼   ► really well done

00:43:00 ◼   ► I mean it looks totally credible you

00:43:02 ◼   ► know it looks like it could be in an

00:43:04 ◼   ► apple device but I just can't and I

00:43:06 ◼   ► can't fathom commissioning a guide to

00:43:08 ◼   ► build a 3d render of what a product

00:43:10 ◼   ► could look like and i also saw that

00:43:13 ◼   ► there are people like case makers at

00:43:15 ◼   ► that and there's a big conference in

00:43:17 ◼   ► Berlin last week the IFA something

00:43:20 ◼   ► conference and that there were case

00:43:21 ◼   ► makers who based on like leaked images

00:43:24 ◼   ► and rumors of the iphone 5 had built

00:43:27 ◼   ► mock iphone 5 yeah so that they can show

00:43:31 ◼   ► their cases for it

00:43:33 ◼   ► laters there's even a there's like a

00:43:36 ◼   ► full android knockoff iphone 5 this is

00:43:42 ◼   ► so great i got the layout of all it's

00:43:44 ◼   ► because they're gonna sue apple that's

00:43:47 ◼   ► what this yeah and they're sooo and

00:43:50 ◼   ► prior art right it's it at all right i

00:43:54 ◼   ► got a google list

00:43:55 ◼   ► see this little gathered for me i

00:44:03 ◼   ► googled her Chinese android iphone 5

00:44:07 ◼   ► suing apple here we go

00:44:09 ◼   ► actually just that yahoo.com chinese

00:44:11 ◼   ► company used leaked iphone suspects to

00:44:14 ◼   ► build knockoff hopes to sue apple for

00:44:16 ◼   ► patent infringement

00:44:18 ◼   ► well you gotta get in on that right

00:44:22 ◼   ► and well they have a good argument their

00:44:24 ◼   ► argument is that they are shipping first

00:44:28 ◼   ► and so regardless that they based the

00:44:31 ◼   ► admittedly based the entire thing on

00:44:33 ◼   ► leaked yeah hearts from the iphone 5

00:44:36 ◼   ► that they're shipping the product first

00:44:39 ◼   ► and so they're going to sue apple it's

00:44:42 ◼   ► called the goophone i5s 10 and it runs a

00:44:47 ◼   ► custom version of the Android operating

00:44:49 ◼   ► system that mimics the look of apple's

00:44:51 ◼   ► ios the goophone i5s yeah

00:44:55 ◼   ► semi soon get sued by Intel no I'm not

00:45:01 ◼   ► so sure that there's exercise that

00:45:03 ◼   ► intellectual circle of life and yeah

00:45:05 ◼   ► apparently not

00:45:07 ◼   ► do you think I mean are they just that

00:45:09 ◼   ► out of touch or or do they know that by

00:45:13 ◼   ► claiming to sue apple that it's like a

00:45:15 ◼   ► problem they know that that's just going

00:45:17 ◼   ► to get even more publicity

00:45:18 ◼   ► I have to think that they that's a

00:45:20 ◼   ► ladder right yeah they kind of that

00:45:24 ◼   ► there are general getting publicity but

00:45:26 ◼   ► hats off to them softer them for having

00:45:28 ◼   ► a possible

00:45:31 ◼   ► I wonder how that works out of the end

00:45:33 ◼   ► though I mean that just doesn't seem

00:45:36 ◼   ► like that pays off but alright if you

00:45:39 ◼   ► would just do we just get completely

00:45:40 ◼   ► screwed at the end of the day having

00:45:42 ◼   ► done that right and it is it's a

00:45:45 ◼   ► slightly but not even slightly it's

00:45:51 ◼   ► actually a very different thing that

00:45:52 ◼   ► won't then what Samsung did and arguably

00:45:55 ◼   ► still does yeah we're there what they've

00:45:57 ◼   ► done is it's it's truly a knockoff

00:45:59 ◼   ► I mean it is it really looks identical

00:46:01 ◼   ► to it's the only thing that short as is

00:46:04 ◼   ► the they don't actually put an apple

00:46:06 ◼   ► logo on the back yeah that's what you

00:46:09 ◼   ► might as well write you might as well

00:46:11 ◼   ► because that's what like the handbag

00:46:12 ◼   ► fakes do and bring like when you buy a

00:46:14 ◼   ► fake Rolex you know for twenty bucks on

00:46:18 ◼   ► the street corner it says Rolex it you

00:46:20 ◼   ► know it doesn't say like relax or

00:46:22 ◼   ► something like that it says Rolex I mean

00:46:24 ◼   ► it's you know it's like a complete fake

00:46:26 ◼   ► i'm not quite sure why they don't why

00:46:28 ◼   ► they don't do the go the whole way I

00:46:31 ◼   ► guess because they're an actual company

00:46:34 ◼   ► with a brand that could be sued whereas

00:46:37 ◼   ► like knockoff handbags and watches are

00:46:40 ◼   ► all sort of underground you know that

00:46:43 ◼   ► there's no there's no nobody knows

00:46:45 ◼   ► actually who made that because they're

00:46:47 ◼   ► being right by now it's completely on

00:46:51 ◼   ► the black market or the gray market or

00:46:53 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it

00:46:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah this is great

00:46:57 ◼   ► it's this is probably my favorite story

00:47:00 ◼   ► that we really can you block me can you

00:47:01 ◼   ► buy we should buy 1i I wonder you got me

00:47:05 ◼   ► when you get in

00:47:07 ◼   ► yeah probably not hong kong-based online

00:47:10 ◼   ► design their cheapo and refund after the

00:47:12 ◼   ► alleged apple iphone 5 parts leaked yeah

00:47:15 ◼   ► i just i think it's only oh boy

00:47:17 ◼   ► hongkong but maybe do we have listeners

00:47:18 ◼   ► in Hong Kong certify if anybody out

00:47:21 ◼   ► there's listen to the show and you live

00:47:24 ◼   ► in Hong Kong and you can buy one of

00:47:25 ◼   ► these get in touch with email me go to

00:47:27 ◼   ► daring fireball and hit the contact form

00:47:29 ◼   ► and and let's figure out what the prices

00:47:32 ◼   ► and if it you know if it's reasonable

00:47:34 ◼   ► maybe i'll try to get one of these

00:47:39 ◼   ► I'd love to see your review i should i

00:47:43 ◼   ► should get it and review the hell out of

00:47:44 ◼   ► it

00:47:45 ◼   ► I'm worried that I'd get lost that after

00:47:48 ◼   ► the home screen that the whole thing

00:47:49 ◼   ► will be in Chinese oh yeah I take this

00:47:54 ◼   ► here's one thing I've gotten a lot of

00:47:55 ◼   ► questions about this and I I thought

00:47:58 ◼   ► maybe the talk shows would be a good

00:47:59 ◼   ► place to write about it is that they're

00:48:00 ◼   ► I've already seen on Twitter people

00:48:02 ◼   ► wondering whether i have already gotten

00:48:05 ◼   ► an iphone 5 for reviewing and others you

00:48:10 ◼   ► know that you know did I can't speak for

00:48:12 ◼   ► for anybody else I don't know it's all

00:48:14 ◼   ► you know little secret and you know who

00:48:16 ◼   ► knows whether but my understanding at

00:48:19 ◼   ► least in my personal experience in the

00:48:21 ◼   ► two years since since that Apple has

00:48:23 ◼   ► started giving me products to review

00:48:26 ◼   ► ahead of their release in my experience

00:48:30 ◼   ► they never ever even tell you that the

00:48:33 ◼   ► thing exists until the event they the

00:48:36 ◼   ► event is when they that's the first time

00:48:38 ◼   ► I and completely sure that the thing

00:48:40 ◼   ► even exists and then after the event a

00:48:44 ◼   ► you know they they schedule a time where

00:48:46 ◼   ► you come in and then yeah you get a

00:48:49 ◼   ► device

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah but not only so not only have i

00:48:52 ◼   ► never gotten a product before it was

00:48:56 ◼   ► announced at an event I i I've never

00:49:02 ◼   ► even heard about it beforehand didn't

00:49:05 ◼   ► you didn't get clued into Mountain line

00:49:08 ◼   ► yeah mountain lions were because it

00:49:10 ◼   ► wasn't a hardware product yeah so they

00:49:12 ◼   ► did they said would you like to have

00:49:14 ◼   ► this briefing you know we're going to be

00:49:16 ◼   ► in New York for a couple of days talking

00:49:18 ◼   ► to the press if you'd like you know you

00:49:20 ◼   ► can schedule a time and and come up and

00:49:23 ◼   ► when they did they you know they it gave

00:49:26 ◼   ► me the mountain lion release on a loner

00:49:29 ◼   ► macbook air and that was before they

00:49:33 ◼   ► announced it that the idea you know but

00:49:35 ◼   ► that's because they didn't have an event

00:49:36 ◼   ► right that that briefing was the

00:49:39 ◼   ► substitution of holding enough having an

00:49:41 ◼   ► event and I if they had had an event I'm

00:49:46 ◼   ► sure they would not have given it to me

00:49:48 ◼   ► before the event

00:49:51 ◼   ► but added that so that's the thing is

00:49:52 ◼   ► that done this week's show today

00:49:54 ◼   ► September 6i can say no i do not have an

00:49:59 ◼   ► iphone 5 i do not even know i do not

00:50:01 ◼   ► know with any certainty that there is

00:50:02 ◼   ► such a thing as an iphone 5 I don't know

00:50:05 ◼   ► 47 and someone could overnight you want

00:50:08 ◼   ► from hong kong email right

00:50:10 ◼   ► definitely then you down before whereas

00:50:12 ◼   ► by next week's show which I intend to

00:50:16 ◼   ► record after the event you'll have there

00:50:19 ◼   ► is a chance i would be nice i would i

00:50:22 ◼   ► would be flattered it would be great if

00:50:24 ◼   ► there is a chance that i will have one

00:50:26 ◼   ► but if i do i'll have signed an NDA you

00:50:31 ◼   ► can't tell where they handed it to me

00:50:32 ◼   ► where I won't be able to say but i could

00:50:39 ◼   ► say right now that I don't but and once

00:50:41 ◼   ► you have the NDA you can't even lie i'm

00:50:42 ◼   ► not gonna lie i can't say i don't have

00:50:44 ◼   ► it but I also can't say that I do have

00:50:45 ◼   ► it you can't just can't talk about it

00:50:47 ◼   ► right

00:50:51 ◼   ► that's how it works yeah and I don't

00:50:52 ◼   ► believe that they seen anybody I don't

00:50:54 ◼   ► think that even Musburger poker anybody

00:50:57 ◼   ► gets them in advance i think yeah you

00:50:58 ◼   ► know everybody gets the same in nine

00:51:02 ◼   ► days so no phone from amazon no no phone

00:51:05 ◼   ► i'm not surprised by the event is over

00:51:07 ◼   ► right and no fun

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah I'm not surprised I'm convinced I'm

00:51:12 ◼   ► you know I don't have any it you know

00:51:14 ◼   ► had inside knowledge but well I've heard

00:51:17 ◼   ► things i have heard some things that

00:51:18 ◼   ► they're working on the phone but you

00:51:21 ◼   ► know my sources at amazon are nowhere

00:51:22 ◼   ► near as good as like an Apple but just

00:51:25 ◼   ► strategically I'm you know it just seems

00:51:27 ◼   ► like a no-brainer that with the route

00:51:29 ◼   ► they're going there's seems like a

00:51:31 ◼   ► no-brainer to tell you eventually do

00:51:33 ◼   ► that but I just think that it's probably

00:51:37 ◼   ► one of those things where they're not

00:51:38 ◼   ► far enough along yet

00:51:39 ◼   ► yeah which is this is when this is where

00:51:43 ◼   ► Microsoft would completely announced the

00:51:45 ◼   ► phone jacks exactly and it would they

00:51:48 ◼   ► would even say that what we're hoping to

00:51:50 ◼   ► ship in mid-2014 time next year

00:51:55 ◼   ► big fan

00:51:59 ◼   ► anything did you so you didn't want you

00:52:01 ◼   ► to watch the motorola event yesterday i

00:52:03 ◼   ► did not know was it painful

00:52:05 ◼   ► I wasn't thinking about it it was a

00:52:07 ◼   ► little well that the first and i guess

00:52:11 ◼   ► some of this was just not even with the

00:52:13 ◼   ► band was but there was some band that

00:52:14 ◼   ► they had and the video that they had

00:52:17 ◼   ► online them in the first at least 15

00:52:21 ◼   ► minutes if not 20 minutes was this band

00:52:22 ◼   ► playing there was an hour long video and

00:52:26 ◼   ► the first 20 minutes of it was this band

00:52:27 ◼   ► playing I just thought it was weird I

00:52:31 ◼   ► mean I know Apple is headbands come in

00:52:33 ◼   ► play but mostly it's like itunes events

00:52:36 ◼   ► or ipod events where it's actually a

00:52:38 ◼   ► music-related event and and in certainly

00:52:43 ◼   ► certainly and mac words of consumer

00:52:45 ◼   ► event words we're entertaining the

00:52:47 ◼   ► people is more makes more sense that

00:52:50 ◼   ► just seems odd to anyone it's a press

00:52:52 ◼   ► event too because this thing was not

00:52:54 ◼   ► open

00:52:55 ◼   ► you couldn't just show up to go to this

00:52:58 ◼   ► thing

00:52:58 ◼   ► so anyway so they play the timing is

00:53:00 ◼   ► wrong on that right strategically like

00:53:02 ◼   ► just the way Apple does it is the right

00:53:03 ◼   ► way you do it is you come out to say

00:53:05 ◼   ► hello you start satiating the curiosity

00:53:10 ◼   ► of the people who are there you starts

00:53:12 ◼   ► you know start giving them what they

00:53:14 ◼   ► want to know here's what we have to say

00:53:16 ◼   ► here's you know a little preamble here's

00:53:18 ◼   ► a new product

00:53:19 ◼   ► here's what it does here's what it looks

00:53:21 ◼   ► like and then at the end you like hey

00:53:23 ◼   ► thanks for coming and guess what we have

00:53:24 ◼   ► a band we have you know johnny is here

00:53:26 ◼   ► yeah your song right you know what the

00:53:31 ◼   ► music comes at the end

00:53:32 ◼   ► yeah and then Eric Schmidt gets up and

00:53:35 ◼   ► talks about 10 facts about whatever

00:53:37 ◼   ► instrument talks about any introduces

00:53:39 ◼   ► the guy who is the new head of motorola

00:53:43 ◼   ► mobility

00:53:45 ◼   ► what's that guy's name is rid of that

00:53:49 ◼   ► with cigarettes anyway

00:53:50 ◼   ► Dennis Woodside who I noted yesterday

00:53:54 ◼   ► came from McKinsey which is this big

00:53:57 ◼   ► consulting management consulting company

00:54:01 ◼   ► over the wells with a long is on with a

00:54:03 ◼   ► long history

00:54:05 ◼   ► yeah and and also

00:54:09 ◼   ► oversaw the acquisition of motorola

00:54:11 ◼   ► sunlight to me L that made more sense

00:54:14 ◼   ► why they spent 2.5 billion to acquire

00:54:17 ◼   ► more motorola mobility and then they

00:54:20 ◼   ► showed and add that toward the end and

00:54:23 ◼   ► the ad i thought was just terrible

00:54:25 ◼   ► because it it didn't show the product

00:54:27 ◼   ► all until like the last second was one

00:54:29 ◼   ► of those ads that shows things flying by

00:54:31 ◼   ► and it's you know they would say thin

00:54:34 ◼   ► and it would show a bunch of thin things

00:54:35 ◼   ► and then it would show that I can

00:54:37 ◼   ► remember what the other at sort of

00:54:40 ◼   ► characteristics of the phone that they

00:54:42 ◼   ► were talking about but they should show

00:54:43 ◼   ► things that related to the

00:54:44 ◼   ► characteristics of the phone but not

00:54:45 ◼   ► actually show the phone until the end

00:54:47 ◼   ► and maybe it's partly because those

00:54:48 ◼   ► phones aren't all that great looking

00:54:50 ◼   ► whereas the Amazon did an ad last night

00:54:53 ◼   ► during the NFL game that show their

00:54:57 ◼   ► products all over the woods showing that

00:54:59 ◼   ► game by the way I I couldn't really say

00:55:02 ◼   ► and I i could say because i know but i'm

00:55:06 ◼   ► not going to say and I the ad shows is

00:55:11 ◼   ► you chose boxes arriving in mailboxes

00:55:14 ◼   ► and shows the all the candles and showed

00:55:16 ◼   ► the new devices that would you cover

00:55:19 ◼   ► that said that was interesting right and

00:55:22 ◼   ► and not something that apple would do

00:55:25 ◼   ► but but pretty good and much more

00:55:29 ◼   ► inspiring to go out and actually buy the

00:55:31 ◼   ► product them than the one the motorola

00:55:33 ◼   ► showed i just looked it up on ESPN ends

00:55:37 ◼   ► up that the dallas cowboys won that

00:55:39 ◼   ► football game and now have the best

00:55:41 ◼   ► record in the entire NFL

00:55:43 ◼   ► Wow

00:55:46 ◼   ► they're going all the way I think it's

00:55:49 ◼   ► without question also top-rated

00:55:52 ◼   ► quarterback in the NFL Tony Romo

00:55:54 ◼   ► Wow huh I'm standing

00:55:57 ◼   ► yeah New York Giants last place out of

00:56:06 ◼   ► 28 teams in NFL no team has a worse

00:56:08 ◼   ► record in the New York Giants and

00:56:10 ◼   ► Yankees been doing over the last 10

00:56:12 ◼   ► games

00:56:16 ◼   ► no she won't she won't go back to

00:56:17 ◼   ► politics John people get very upset when

00:56:19 ◼   ► we talk about where she go back to

00:56:20 ◼   ► politics because they get various people

00:56:22 ◼   ► there tues and they tune in for the

00:56:24 ◼   ► polyp political talk not the sports talk

00:56:26 ◼   ► they get very upset when we talk about

00:56:28 ◼   ► sports or we could talk about our

00:56:29 ◼   ► children

00:56:30 ◼   ► exactly

00:56:34 ◼   ► I you know what these events they do

00:56:36 ◼   ► they make me uncomfortable to watch

00:56:37 ◼   ► because i am spoiled i'm totally spoiled

00:56:41 ◼   ► by Apple which puts on these events that

00:56:42 ◼   ► are as polished and thoughtful as their

00:56:46 ◼   ► products right and it's just event after

00:56:49 ◼   ► event i can't recall and you said I

00:56:52 ◼   ► can't recall apple ever putting together

00:56:54 ◼   ► an event that seemed anything less than

00:56:58 ◼   ► then polished yeah and exactly no

00:57:01 ◼   ► presents the product and a great light

00:57:03 ◼   ► and and I think isn't it true that these

00:57:07 ◼   ► events where the first stage yourself

00:57:11 ◼   ► events are relatively new phenomenon for

00:57:16 ◼   ► most of these companies because the way

00:57:19 ◼   ► things used to be done was they would go

00:57:21 ◼   ► to contacts or something

00:57:23 ◼   ► yeah announced identities product be

00:57:25 ◼   ► tied to these you know call them i don't

00:57:27 ◼   ► know conventions or yeah and mostly an

00:57:31 ◼   ► apple was the one who started maybe

00:57:33 ◼   ► somebody else did it before but Apple

00:57:36 ◼   ► started hosting their own events and

00:57:37 ◼   ► then everybody said oh we need a holster

00:57:39 ◼   ► on events right then there was a thing

00:57:42 ◼   ► yesterday's yeah the other thing about

00:57:43 ◼   ► yesterday's dual announcements from

00:57:45 ◼   ► Motorola and nokia was that they were in

00:57:49 ◼   ► the same city they were both in New York

00:57:50 ◼   ► City and that i think the Nokia one

00:57:53 ◼   ► forget which one first but I think with

00:57:56 ◼   ► motor yet

00:57:57 ◼   ► motorola coffers

00:57:59 ◼   ► I don't care but they were offering

00:58:01 ◼   ► shuttle buses they offered to sell that

00:58:04 ◼   ► people from one to another and have the

00:58:06 ◼   ► nokia nokia paid for a bus that said i

00:58:08 ◼   ► love nokia in huge letters to shuttle

00:58:11 ◼   ► the show up at the motorola right and I

00:58:17 ◼   ► don't know just all seems like I can't

00:58:19 ◼   ► even imagine Apple doing that now

00:58:21 ◼   ► like if Apple held an event and somebody

00:58:23 ◼   ► else happened to be holding I had the

00:58:25 ◼   ► stones to hold one in the same city on

00:58:27 ◼   ► the same day

00:58:28 ◼   ► applewood just wouldn't give two craps

00:58:31 ◼   ► about anybody who wanted to attend both

00:58:33 ◼   ► that if the you know the timing made it

00:58:35 ◼   ► difficult or whatever it's you know it's

00:58:38 ◼   ► too you know that you're dumb luck for

00:58:40 ◼   ► want to cover both because you they know

00:58:43 ◼   ► which one you're going to cover right

00:58:45 ◼   ► I can't imagine anybody being dumb

00:58:49 ◼   ► enough to do that right to say no apples

00:58:53 ◼   ► holding an event it ten o'clock on

00:58:55 ◼   ► tuesday will will hold one at noon right

00:58:59 ◼   ► you know what i should do I should do

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01:00:36 ◼   ► insertion point and left Wow wordwise

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01:00:55 ◼   ► much as I love and think it's genius the

01:00:57 ◼   ► the text placement built into iOS where

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01:01:03 ◼   ► want to go back a couple characters and

01:01:06 ◼   ► you're already using the keyboard having

01:01:07 ◼   ► those arrow keys is great and said to me

01:01:10 ◼   ► it's a feature that Apple should rely

01:01:11 ◼   ► think Apple should really think about

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01:01:30 ◼   ► post to Facebook saved at Caesars

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01:01:36 ◼   ► stashed weeks if you if you had draft

01:01:39 ◼   ► tweets you can use it for that

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01:01:45 ◼   ► sync everything to dropbox it hopes to

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01:01:51 ◼   ► for you can forward the text of any

01:01:53 ◼   ► draft in the app to a bunch of apps that

01:01:57 ◼   ► that have like a dead they hook up with

01:01:59 ◼   ► the URL protocol so they can cross

01:02:02 ◼   ► communicate you can send them to apps

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01:02:05 ◼   ► right now but it's growing all the time

01:02:07 ◼   ► omnifocus things agenda and tweet

01:02:10 ◼   ► bot big-name apps very popular app so it

01:02:14 ◼   ► will send stuff back and forth with

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01:02:42 ◼   ► I all I wanted ad say i wanted to say

01:02:46 ◼   ► this this week because it's one of those

01:02:47 ◼   ► things that I won't be able to say next

01:02:49 ◼   ► week in the room you know obviously did

01:02:53 ◼   ► such a rumor that it seems like it's got

01:02:56 ◼   ► to be true the rumors that the screen on

01:02:57 ◼   ► the new iphone is going to be the same

01:02:59 ◼   ► with but it's going to be taller and

01:03:01 ◼   ► it's gonna be taller by the you know

01:03:03 ◼   ► what are they going to do with the home

01:03:04 ◼   ► screen is going to add an extra row of

01:03:06 ◼   ► icons on the home screen and I've been

01:03:09 ◼   ► thinking about that and it's actually

01:03:10 ◼   ► made me a little nervous because I've

01:03:12 ◼   ► gotten my my homescreen my first two

01:03:14 ◼   ► home screens which are really the only

01:03:15 ◼   ► 2i keep organized I know where all the

01:03:18 ◼   ► icons are and I've kind of settled in

01:03:20 ◼   ► I've kind of gotten into old-man mode

01:03:22 ◼   ► where I it's very rare that i changed

01:03:25 ◼   ► appt in there and I don't know what I'm

01:03:27 ◼   ► gonna do with that extra row of icons if

01:03:30 ◼   ► you were Henry Blodget you can't base an

01:03:31 ◼   ► entire piece on this fact that would

01:03:34 ◼   ► obviously be enabled really angry

01:03:36 ◼   ► yeah tirade about how Apple's ruining

01:03:39 ◼   ► here do you do you do meticulously

01:03:42 ◼   ► organized your icons and I would not say

01:03:45 ◼   ► meticulously home screen and maybe like

01:03:47 ◼   ► the first beyond that yeah the first

01:03:49 ◼   ► page yes but anything beyond that is is

01:03:53 ◼   ► kind of a little bit more of a mouse was

01:03:58 ◼   ► it you

01:03:59 ◼   ► somebody had a line the other day about

01:04:00 ◼   ► Henry Blodgett he was it was a good

01:04:05 ◼   ► crack about Henry blockage of you

01:04:06 ◼   ► written about it easy

01:04:07 ◼   ► no no it's easy to make it is he wished

01:04:14 ◼   ► he had a thing tonight coming argued

01:04:16 ◼   ► iphone iphone 5 is is doomed or

01:04:19 ◼   ► something

01:04:20 ◼   ► I think he said that the iphone 5

01:04:23 ◼   ► is already annoying him i write down

01:04:26 ◼   ► something the other guys going like that

01:04:28 ◼   ► but maybe Blodgett too i think yeah this

01:04:32 ◼   ► is that it seems like there are at least

01:04:33 ◼   ► a couple of its equipment that is a

01:04:35 ◼   ► common refrain in the run-up to an apple

01:04:38 ◼   ► product announcement that before it's

01:04:40 ◼   ► even announce that you're tired of the

01:04:42 ◼   ► hype that they're tired of it and ate

01:04:44 ◼   ► yeah and they always direct these

01:04:46 ◼   ► complaints about the hype at Apple that

01:04:48 ◼   ► it's great that does is right but what

01:04:51 ◼   ► what what could Apple do differently to

01:04:54 ◼   ► do not have this type they don't say

01:04:56 ◼   ► anything I've said nothing i can't I

01:05:00 ◼   ► really truly believe that they haven't

01:05:01 ◼   ► purposefully leaked anything all of

01:05:04 ◼   ► these parts if it turns out that these

01:05:06 ◼   ► parts that have leaked are legit and

01:05:08 ◼   ► that this you know that we kind of

01:05:09 ◼   ► already have an idea what this new

01:05:11 ◼   ► iphone looks like ah I can't help but

01:05:14 ◼   ► think that Apple is upset about that

01:05:15 ◼   ► would be funny if that if that company

01:05:19 ◼   ► that's selling the android is actually

01:05:20 ◼   ► an apple shell company my god never got

01:05:24 ◼   ► a group photo now it's all just yeah

01:05:28 ◼   ► hold up to build up hype for the iphone

01:05:30 ◼   ► five we're gonna have this company cela

01:05:32 ◼   ► complete knockoff of it right like you

01:05:35 ◼   ► know it's like a couple of times a month

01:05:38 ◼   ► at like five o'clock they blowing off

01:05:40 ◼   ► steam and there's the Schiller and jony

01:05:43 ◼   ► ive and was our that was jaws just hit

01:05:49 ◼   ► the ribbons it's not suggesting around

01:05:51 ◼   ► out of having beers on the connection

01:05:52 ◼   ► setup i'm going show somebody sell the

01:05:56 ◼   ► google what's the silliest name they can

01:05:59 ◼   ► come up with

01:06:00 ◼   ► I don't know Frank was the worst

01:06:02 ◼   ► possible maybe you can think of right

01:06:03 ◼   ► and goophone it's sort of a knocking

01:06:06 ◼   ► google i get you know could be if it

01:06:07 ◼   ► were a ended up it was a shell company

01:06:09 ◼   ► got yeah woody sionary yeah

01:06:15 ◼   ► I so I don't talk about the FBI thing

01:06:24 ◼   ► oh let's do that yeah and then we're

01:06:26 ◼   ► adding i would think we call it show

01:06:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah the FBI thing is really weird

01:06:30 ◼   ► and you said your idea i didn't look

01:06:33 ◼   ► mine up but I did and I did not find any

01:06:36 ◼   ► of mine

01:06:37 ◼   ► you know it it's it I'm but I'm not a

01:06:40 ◼   ► hundred percent sure here's what i died

01:06:41 ◼   ► i downloaded the file

01:06:43 ◼   ► it's like 90 gigabytes and they give you

01:06:45 ◼   ► these instructions where you can verify

01:06:46 ◼   ► it and you know the md5 hash that you

01:06:49 ◼   ► know it's legit then you run decrypt it

01:06:52 ◼   ► and then you have a big txt file it's

01:06:54 ◼   ► like 830 megabytes or something like

01:06:57 ◼   ► that so I opened up in bbedit with

01:07:00 ◼   ► handles big file like that no problem

01:07:02 ◼   ► and I start searching for my uu IDs from

01:07:06 ◼   ► my the devices i have an active use a

01:07:10 ◼   ► couple of my iphones and a couple of my

01:07:12 ◼   ► iPads that I have the uuid are you DIDS

01:07:15 ◼   ► I keep calling right into eyes udid

01:07:17 ◼   ► device ids and none of mine were a hit

01:07:20 ◼   ► IUDs right but I am I even ask you a

01:07:25 ◼   ► couple of a couple of people on Twitter

01:07:26 ◼   ► pointed out that there were two devices

01:07:28 ◼   ► in their name John Gruber's you have had

01:07:31 ◼   ► an idea i looked and there is there were

01:07:35 ◼   ► two devices with that name and but I

01:07:37 ◼   ► looked in the uuid you DIDS did not

01:07:40 ◼   ► match any of the ones that i have stored

01:07:42 ◼   ► now it's possible because I i have had

01:07:44 ◼   ► an absurd number of ipads come through

01:07:48 ◼   ► here we're like review units from apple

01:07:52 ◼   ► because I've had new ones like when a

01:07:54 ◼   ► new one comes out and i had like a new

01:07:56 ◼   ► ipad 2 in a new ipad 3 that I didn't

01:08:00 ◼   ► keep you know that I get them i use them

01:08:02 ◼   ► for a couple of weeks and then I box

01:08:04 ◼   ► them back up and just and ship them to

01:08:06 ◼   ► apple and I you know I buy my own that

01:08:08 ◼   ► if I'm going by 12 actually own but

01:08:11 ◼   ► they've also given me ones like like at

01:08:16 ◼   ► the at books event last year and you

01:08:19 ◼   ► know the the textbook event New York

01:08:20 ◼   ► City it's like you they just give them

01:08:22 ◼   ► out like candy

01:08:23 ◼   ► you know yeah when they review stuff or

01:08:25 ◼   ► with mountain lion they gave me one

01:08:28 ◼   ► because i wanted to give me one that had

01:08:29 ◼   ► like Ike tunes documents in the cloud

01:08:33 ◼   ► that sinking that worked or whatever

01:08:35 ◼   ► they just set them up to to be able to

01:08:38 ◼   ► review these features they want you to

01:08:40 ◼   ► be able to do and they just they just

01:08:42 ◼   ► set everything up so that they're all

01:08:44 ◼   ► ready to go and they just give them to

01:08:45 ◼   ► you know and you don't keep them they

01:08:47 ◼   ► you know you sign a thing that says I

01:08:48 ◼   ► you know have taken this from you and

01:08:52 ◼   ► it's possible it is possible that maybe

01:08:53 ◼   ► I had one of those that i plugged in and

01:08:56 ◼   ► i just got lazy because I knew it wasn't

01:08:57 ◼   ► going to keep it and just took that

01:08:58 ◼   ► default name because I don't name them

01:09:00 ◼   ► like that I don't name them John

01:09:01 ◼   ► Gruber's ipad

01:09:03 ◼   ► I you know I have other and then my

01:09:06 ◼   ► devices different ways but i don't use

01:09:08 ◼   ► that name but maybe I did maybe i got

01:09:10 ◼   ► lazy so maybe there were two of mine in

01:09:12 ◼   ► there i don't know i like the idea that

01:09:15 ◼   ► other people were naming him that

01:09:17 ◼   ► yeah but anyway that the still no answer

01:09:19 ◼   ► of how these how this file came to exist

01:09:23 ◼   ► you know and I guess that right intrigue

01:09:25 ◼   ► is the initial reaction i think a lot of

01:09:27 ◼   ► people had was this suspicion that that

01:09:29 ◼   ► Apple had been sharing this information

01:09:31 ◼   ► with the FBI for some reason Apple has

01:09:35 ◼   ► since denied that the FBI is designed it

01:09:39 ◼   ► right oh and the other thing to point

01:09:40 ◼   ► out to keep in mind is that the this

01:09:42 ◼   ► anti sec antisocial what the hell's

01:09:46 ◼   ► their name and I seconds their name i

01:09:47 ◼   ► think that the hacker group that

01:09:49 ◼   ► releases claims that the original file

01:09:53 ◼   ► they took from the guys laptop had 12

01:09:56 ◼   ► million entries and that they've only

01:09:58 ◼   ► the public release was only a random

01:10:00 ◼   ► 1,000,000 slice of it so the only ten

01:10:05 ◼   ► percent of the numbers they claim or

01:10:07 ◼   ► were there were actually in this public

01:10:09 ◼   ► one so just because you know your udid

01:10:12 ◼   ► isn't in there doesn't it wasn't it the

01:10:14 ◼   ► full file that hasn't been released

01:10:15 ◼   ► publicly yeah and what the FBI issued a

01:10:20 ◼   ► statement but the state you know and

01:10:22 ◼   ► it's pretty rare for them to even

01:10:23 ◼   ► address something like this but it does

01:10:25 ◼   ► have some wiggle room in there

01:10:27 ◼   ► well this statement does but then

01:10:28 ◼   ► apparently they denied it

01:10:31 ◼   ► they denied it much more forcefully on

01:10:32 ◼   ► twitter which i think is also funny that

01:10:34 ◼   ► the FBI has a twitter

01:10:35 ◼   ► account like imagine like over the

01:10:41 ◼   ► character was available like 40 years

01:10:43 ◼   ► ago when Jennifer there Jay let's look

01:10:46 ◼   ► was alive you know what that you say

01:10:49 ◼   ► that but did you must not have seen

01:10:51 ◼   ► clint eastwood's Hoover movie because

01:10:54 ◼   ► there's like a full pot in there one of

01:10:56 ◼   ► those things like you know like

01:10:59 ◼   ► sometimes like a Miami font nerd so

01:11:01 ◼   ► sometimes they'll be like a movie that

01:11:03 ◼   ► takes place in 1953 and there's

01:11:05 ◼   ► something in helvetica neue Helvetica

01:11:07 ◼   ► didn't come out till nineteen

01:11:08 ◼   ► fifty-seven so it's you know that's a

01:11:10 ◼   ► faux pas

01:11:11 ◼   ► there was a scene in eastwood Hoover

01:11:13 ◼   ► movie where Hoover was at sexting really

01:11:18 ◼   ► yeah he was sexting on it on a little

01:11:20 ◼   ► i'm like an iphone and then somebody

01:11:23 ◼   ► pointed out to eastwood after it came

01:11:24 ◼   ► out that the iphone you have cell phones

01:11:26 ◼   ► weren't didn't exist for another 60

01:11:28 ◼   ► years and he told them you're making

01:11:30 ◼   ► that up i have not seen the movie but

01:11:31 ◼   ► you must be making that up at any rate

01:11:33 ◼   ► the FBI the FBI their their their

01:11:38 ◼   ► twitter post was was unequivocal and

01:11:43 ◼   ► Marco has a have linked to something

01:11:47 ◼   ► this morning about the sky

01:11:52 ◼   ► I'm sure when mispronounces a boge

01:11:54 ◼   ► engagement of flux ads I thinks that

01:11:59 ◼   ► maybe it came from a nap or a series of

01:12:02 ◼   ► apps from the Swiss company called spank

01:12:08 ◼   ► apps is for real yeah yeah I'm there's a

01:12:16 ◼   ► was an app called glitter draw free that

01:12:20 ◼   ► he had this guy had installed that's

01:12:22 ◼   ► sending the associated push

01:12:24 ◼   ► notifications token to third-party

01:12:27 ◼   ► service anyway understandable but

01:12:29 ◼   ► possibly i mean so people are coming up

01:12:32 ◼   ► with you are trying to come up with

01:12:33 ◼   ► other ways that this might have happened

01:12:34 ◼   ► and thats what it series is that it's a

01:12:37 ◼   ► third-party app yeah i would not be

01:12:39 ◼   ► surprised if that's the source is a

01:12:41 ◼   ► third-party app or ad network maybe that

01:12:45 ◼   ► had a bunch of apps use something like

01:12:46 ◼   ► that

01:12:47 ◼   ► you know and it does seem like the more

01:12:51 ◼   ► I looked into it that it's whatever the

01:12:53 ◼   ► source it's not that egregious a leak

01:12:56 ◼   ► I guess it's likely that a bunch of AD

01:12:58 ◼   ► networks all have your device ids and

01:13:01 ◼   ► your device names just because it was

01:13:03 ◼   ► you know that's how it was easy

01:13:05 ◼   ► up until iOS 6 apples actually making

01:13:07 ◼   ► that something that the apps can't do in

01:13:09 ◼   ► ios6 just get these device itz they're

01:13:12 ◼   ► gonna have another way of getting a

01:13:13 ◼   ► unique identifier is that won't be the

01:13:16 ◼   ► same across different apps so you'll

01:13:19 ◼   ► have more privacy

01:13:20 ◼   ► this is it's not a terrible privacy

01:13:22 ◼   ► variolation but it's definitely

01:13:23 ◼   ► something and then more i'm marco also

01:13:26 ◼   ► is the source that link to the the right

01:13:29 ◼   ► up i linked to yesterday about the the

01:13:33 ◼   ► way that you could use a simple URL API

01:13:40 ◼   ► from openfeint who is like it's tied to

01:13:45 ◼   ► a bunch of games and you can put you

01:13:46 ◼   ► diii d in there and it'll tell you

01:13:48 ◼   ► everything they know about that udid

01:13:50 ◼   ► yeah for some people was coming up with

01:13:52 ◼   ► things like the facebook profile and

01:13:54 ◼   ► pictures you know like there-there

01:13:55 ◼   ► avatar and when the guy first reported

01:13:59 ◼   ► it there was you know it was actually

01:14:00 ◼   ► even worse it even had like GPS data and

01:14:03 ◼   ► after he reported it this is like two

01:14:05 ◼   ► years ago or a year and a half ago they

01:14:07 ◼   ► stay took out the location data from

01:14:09 ◼   ► that API code but you know there could

01:14:12 ◼   ► be some other service out there that has

01:14:14 ◼   ► you know the same type of thing and

01:14:15 ◼   ► maybe has you know this same sort of

01:14:17 ◼   ► privacy problems or you could because

01:14:21 ◼   ► once you know somebody's name and their

01:14:23 ◼   ► location i mean that's that's a that's a

01:14:26 ◼   ► lot of the answer good way to get

01:14:28 ◼   ► started on you know having some fun

01:14:31 ◼   ► yeah he said that a little too really

01:14:36 ◼   ► just not that I would ever you know

01:14:40 ◼   ► right it's a good thing I don't know how

01:14:43 ◼   ► to do any of this stuff

01:14:44 ◼   ► did youdid you so you didn't even like

01:14:46 ◼   ► you didn't even look at I didn't like

01:14:48 ◼   ► now I don't know what I'm going to do it

01:14:51 ◼   ► in there

01:14:52 ◼   ► mm not much but it's really there really

01:14:56 ◼   ► is nothing to me there's no you can't

01:14:58 ◼   ► change your udid right still is a weird

01:15:00 ◼   ► story that

01:15:02 ◼   ► yeah did you also see and just to to

01:15:05 ◼   ► circle back this might be going in the

01:15:06 ◼   ► show circle back on politics if you've

01:15:08 ◼   ► seen this story about the hacker that

01:15:11 ◼   ► claims to have stolen that romney's tax

01:15:14 ◼   ► returns

01:15:14 ◼   ► yeah and I did this is actually a really

01:15:17 ◼   ► intriguing story so this story is that

01:15:19 ◼   ► an anonymous hacker has posted these

01:15:24 ◼   ► things on Mike pastebin and and claims

01:15:29 ◼   ► and it's been verified that he walked

01:15:32 ◼   ► into a pricewaterhousecoopers office in

01:15:35 ◼   ► my Tennessee and a guy on that said that

01:15:39 ◼   ► a guy in the third floor let him in and

01:15:41 ◼   ► that he put he walked out with on a USB

01:15:45 ◼   ► stick

01:15:46 ◼   ► I don't think he says how many but

01:15:49 ◼   ► several years of Mitt Romney's personal

01:15:52 ◼   ► income tax returns before 2010 which he

01:15:55 ◼   ► hasn't released in which has been very

01:15:57 ◼   ► controversial in this election because

01:15:58 ◼   ► presidential candidates typically

01:16:00 ◼   ► release many years are several years of

01:16:04 ◼   ► their taxes and there's a lot of

01:16:06 ◼   ► speculation that that there's the reason

01:16:08 ◼   ► he hasn't is you know that there's some

01:16:10 ◼   ► stuff in there that's politically

01:16:12 ◼   ► unsavory in other words that he's

01:16:14 ◼   ► probably paid of evidence certainly low

01:16:17 ◼   ► tax rate

01:16:18 ◼   ► yeah and he also has a whole collection

01:16:19 ◼   ► of people's you DIDS a jacket but anyway

01:16:25 ◼   ► this hacker then encrypted the data and

01:16:30 ◼   ► put the encrypted version on a USB stick

01:16:32 ◼   ► and mailed it to both the Democrats and

01:16:35 ◼   ► the Republicans in an envelope and with

01:16:38 ◼   ► a letter that exactly no saying what he

01:16:40 ◼   ► done and saying that he wants romney or

01:16:45 ◼   ► the Romney campaign to give him a

01:16:47 ◼   ► million dollars in bitcoins which

01:16:50 ◼   ► presumably would be untraceable I think

01:16:53 ◼   ► that's the way Bitcoin works i'm pretty

01:16:55 ◼   ► sure i mean it's you know it would be

01:16:56 ◼   ► pretty stupid if it weren't that you

01:16:59 ◼   ► know the Bitcoin works like cash for

01:17:01 ◼   ► once you transfer it it's you know it's

01:17:04 ◼   ► there is no it's not like credit

01:17:06 ◼   ► transactions there's no banking history

01:17:08 ◼   ► yeah he wants a million dollars in

01:17:11 ◼   ► bitcoins before September 28-30 else is

01:17:13 ◼   ► going to release it publicly and if

01:17:15 ◼   ► anybody else wants it like in the

01:17:17 ◼   ► pressure whatever the first one to be

01:17:19 ◼   ► given them billion dollars in bitcoins

01:17:21 ◼   ► either gets the key or they'll destroy

01:17:24 ◼   ► the key and you know it seems like there

01:17:32 ◼   ► it seems so outlandish I mean why in the

01:17:35 ◼   ► world would his tax returns being in

01:17:36 ◼   ► Tennessee but it doesn't seem like you

01:17:39 ◼   ► know the Secret Service is looking into

01:17:41 ◼   ► it and it seems like there might be some

01:17:43 ◼   ► smoke to the fire

01:17:45 ◼   ► yeah it's interesting you don't mean at

01:17:52 ◼   ► this point it's hard to tell but well I

01:17:54 ◼   ► guess here's what I the one who either

01:17:57 ◼   ► are really outrageous scam right or wear

01:18:01 ◼   ► a green espionage story right and

01:18:03 ◼   ► pricewaterhousecoopers is issued not

01:18:05 ◼   ► you're not really a denial but just as

01:18:07 ◼   ► far as we know this hasn't happened but

01:18:09 ◼   ► they haven't said anything at it here's

01:18:14 ◼   ► what I here's what I wonder

01:18:16 ◼   ► alright it are his tax returns in that

01:18:20 ◼   ► office in tennessee right if they're not

01:18:23 ◼   ► well then they could you know they could

01:18:26 ◼   ► say it's not even possible does it

01:18:28 ◼   ► we have no tax returns for Mitt Romney

01:18:30 ◼   ► in that office and then the whole story

01:18:32 ◼   ► goes away

01:18:33 ◼   ► yeah right they haven't said that but

01:18:36 ◼   ► would they say that you know i mean like

01:18:40 ◼   ► it's one of those things like you know

01:18:41 ◼   ► you not negotiating with terrorists were

01:18:44 ◼   ► maybe you know even if it's not there

01:18:47 ◼   ► you don't say that because then if it

01:18:49 ◼   ► were there

01:18:50 ◼   ► you're not saying that would be a

01:18:53 ◼   ► giveaway that it was there that make

01:18:58 ◼   ► sense yes sort of sort of sort of at

01:19:02 ◼   ► this time there is no se at this is

01:19:04 ◼   ► there and it actually is

01:19:06 ◼   ► sounds exactly like what the FBI had

01:19:08 ◼   ► said about the bi DS is in their

01:19:11 ◼   ► official statement at this time there is

01:19:13 ◼   ► no evidence that our systems have been

01:19:15 ◼   ► compromised which is not

01:19:17 ◼   ► really Adonai huh no I mean and maybe

01:19:22 ◼   ► they don't know right and i also would

01:19:24 ◼   ► not be surprised if it's their policy to

01:19:26 ◼   ► not really can truly confirm or deny

01:19:29 ◼   ► that it was even possible

01:19:32 ◼   ► you know that they're not they don't

01:19:33 ◼   ► want to have people playing bingo trying

01:19:35 ◼   ► to guess which is where his tax returns

01:19:37 ◼   ► really are but I don't know it just

01:19:39 ◼   ► seems like the way that the statement

01:19:41 ◼   ► and a way that the secret services is

01:19:43 ◼   ► looking into this that you know there

01:19:47 ◼   ► might be something to it if pwc has a

01:19:50 ◼   ► system you know if they do people's tax

01:19:53 ◼   ► returns and I have a system where they

01:19:54 ◼   ► store all this stuff right get access it

01:19:57 ◼   ► you could theoretically access it from

01:19:58 ◼   ► any office could be in the cloud you're

01:20:01 ◼   ► saying yeah i mean it would be it would

01:20:03 ◼   ► be in there on their will at least on

01:20:05 ◼   ► their well probably not on a cloud but

01:20:07 ◼   ► in their land right yeah I guess that

01:20:10 ◼   ► does make sense i guess it would you

01:20:12 ◼   ► know I guess that if he had anybody any

01:20:14 ◼   ► pricewaterhousecoopers do it that maybe

01:20:16 ◼   ► they do have a system like that it

01:20:18 ◼   ► wouldn't just be local

01:20:19 ◼   ► i guess.i guess that does make a lot of

01:20:21 ◼   ► sense that it doesn't really matter that

01:20:24 ◼   ► if you know if you're if you're in the

01:20:26 ◼   ► Tennessee office working on some rich

01:20:28 ◼   ► guys tax taxes you have access to the

01:20:30 ◼   ► same system not necessarily the same you

01:20:35 ◼   ► wouldn't necessarily have access to the

01:20:36 ◼   ► same right

01:20:38 ◼   ► I'm thinking too much about how i turn

01:20:40 ◼   ► my taxes is which with my accountant

01:20:42 ◼   ► where we're just you know I just come in

01:20:45 ◼   ► with shoebox superplex full of receipts

01:20:47 ◼   ► exactly and you know that it's like two

01:20:54 ◼   ► slips of paper and like walk with 1 1099

01:20:58 ◼   ► from macworld for a column I road that

01:21:01 ◼   ► just throw it at him and say here and

01:21:03 ◼   ► you know and then have you talked to

01:21:05 ◼   ► talk sports for 15 minutes and then and

01:21:08 ◼   ► he does it all right and then it's all

01:21:11 ◼   ► going you know what I'm pretty sure Mitt

01:21:13 ◼   ► Romney doesn't go to to i would guess

01:21:15 ◼   ► that it's different for him would be

01:21:17 ◼   ► great of his tax return the guy if it's

01:21:18 ◼   ► totally the jet and they don't pay up

01:21:20 ◼   ► and the guy releases it publicly and his

01:21:24 ◼   ► tax returns are are just absolutely like

01:21:26 ◼   ► there's nothing to it there's absolutely

01:21:29 ◼   ► nothing interesting in them

01:21:31 ◼   ► whatsoever just mean nothing to him you

01:21:37 ◼   ► know just exactly like it's 2010 11

01:21:44 ◼   ► because it doesn't at this point

01:21:46 ◼   ► everybody is assumes that there's

01:21:47 ◼   ► something preposterous in their right to

01:21:49 ◼   ► exist you know that this you know that

01:21:51 ◼   ► just shows that you know yeah took all

01:21:53 ◼   ► this money and send it to the cayman

01:21:55 ◼   ► cayman islands and right now I paid

01:21:57 ◼   ► thirty seven dollars and income tax on

01:22:01 ◼   ► 20 million dollars in capital gains

01:22:04 ◼   ► so what's your last thing

01:22:09 ◼   ► are you a nervous flyer yes

01:22:14 ◼   ► did you know you know that i didn't know

01:22:16 ◼   ► that yeah and that's why I thought to

01:22:17 ◼   ► call this out this is a this is an

01:22:20 ◼   ► incident earlier today this is gonna is

01:22:22 ◼   ► gonna freak me out

01:22:23 ◼   ► i I'm not fly I'm not flying everything

01:22:27 ◼   ► your future so here's here's the story a

01:22:29 ◼   ► US airways flight headed for Dallas

01:22:32 ◼   ► Philadelphia was diverted back to

01:22:35 ◼   ► Philadelphia this morning because of a

01:22:37 ◼   ► false threat that identified a

01:22:38 ◼   ► particular passenger is carrying

01:22:40 ◼   ► explosives

01:22:41 ◼   ► now here's the statement from Chief

01:22:44 ◼   ► Inspector Joe Sullivan commander of the

01:22:46 ◼   ► Philadelphia Police Department's

01:22:48 ◼   ► anti-terrorism unit all indications are

01:22:50 ◼   ► this was a hoax and a pretty next eprice

01:22:53 ◼   ► played on a passenger

01:22:54 ◼   ► well so the plane goes up and they the

01:23:01 ◼   ► guy called in and said that the guy had

01:23:02 ◼   ► liquid explosives and plan and they had

01:23:04 ◼   ► the flight and apparently that they that

01:23:06 ◼   ► they named the flight and said where it

01:23:08 ◼   ► was going that he was on flight 1267

01:23:11 ◼   ► going to dallas is a 7 730 flight and

01:23:15 ◼   ► they named the particular individual

01:23:17 ◼   ► said he was smuggling smuggling and

01:23:19 ◼   ► explosive on a flight to texas and so

01:23:21 ◼   ► they immediately told the plane to come

01:23:23 ◼   ► back and they they gave it the full

01:23:25 ◼   ► treatment with the you know I guess

01:23:27 ◼   ► parked on the runway as far away from

01:23:29 ◼   ► everything else is they could surround

01:23:30 ◼   ► it had in a long forcement board the

01:23:34 ◼   ► plane and take the guy take the guy out

01:23:37 ◼   ► and outside the plane had him get down

01:23:39 ◼   ► on his knees and and had like the

01:23:42 ◼   ► bomb-sniffing dogs you know give him the

01:23:43 ◼   ► once-over apparently the fellow was very

01:23:46 ◼   ► surprised and and and upset you think so

01:23:52 ◼   ► i was like a friend of his or side maybe

01:23:56 ◼   ► not anymore

01:23:57 ◼   ► yeah well does this not seem like the

01:24:00 ◼   ► stupidest prank you've ever heard of it

01:24:02 ◼   ► yeah

01:24:03 ◼   ► yes because i believe it's pretty close

01:24:06 ◼   ► like did the guy who made this prank did

01:24:10 ◼   ► you really think that he was going to

01:24:12 ◼   ► get away with it

01:24:13 ◼   ► it'sit's I cannot wait to hear the rest