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00:00:59   the incomparable number 202 2014 [TS]

00:01:05   welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:09   podcast i am your hostess and smell and [TS]

00:01:11   I am closed up in a room with people [TS]

00:01:16   strange people you may know as regular [TS]

00:01:19   people who are on the car we already on [TS]

00:01:22   straitjackets chasing why we close up in [TS]

00:01:24   this room i'll tell you later [TS]

00:01:25   I'll explain later joining me in person [TS]

00:01:29   we like to do this when we're in person [TS]

00:01:30   because we're so rarely together all in [TS]

00:01:32   one place where there are microphones [TS]

00:01:33   are you heard them [TS]

00:01:35   dan more'n hello hello serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:38   I and he hasn't said anything yet [TS]

00:01:41   because he thinks we're all crazy now [TS]

00:01:43   you can see he literally can't say [TS]

00:01:45   anything until you introduce its John [TS]

00:01:46   siracusa I'm just trying I just [TS]

00:01:48   wondering what this show is going to be [TS]

00:01:49   about but I guess I'll tell me in a [TS]

00:01:51   couple seconds yeah that's right I'll be [TS]

00:01:52   good [TS]

00:01:52   impromptu now this is part of the [TS]

00:01:55   comparables 200th episode spectacular [TS]

00:01:58   and i wanted to talk about because we [TS]

00:02:00   had we can talk about Game of Thrones in [TS]

00:02:02   this episode because we're recording [TS]

00:02:03   this before the show host showing [TS]

00:02:05   episodes this season that was our excuse [TS]

00:02:08   the last couple years was to talk about [TS]

00:02:09   that this excited because Monty will get [TS]

00:02:12   to appear in that episode [TS]

00:02:13   hey mom when she doesn't otherwise get [TS]

00:02:15   to know so here's the here's here's the [TS]

00:02:18   top we we took episode 100 and we [TS]

00:02:20   promise not to spend a whole episode [TS]

00:02:21   talking about ourselves for a hundred [TS]

00:02:23   episodes and times up [TS]

00:02:26   nailed it skirts so here we are to talk [TS]

00:02:30   about ourselves this show still on you [TS]

00:02:33   well with this episode hasn't posted yet [TS]

00:02:35   Dan to share it is possible that we [TS]

00:02:37   won't make it that so for this episode [TS]

00:02:42   III wanted to do a bunch of different [TS]

00:02:43   things will have a bunch of different [TS]

00:02:44   second segments but i wanted to start by [TS]

00:02:46   talking about like I was inspired in [TS]

00:02:49   episode 102 sort of criticize ourselves [TS]

00:02:51   and in question why we do this and and I [TS]

00:02:53   wanted to call it matter critical but I [TS]

00:02:54   couldn't do that because that was the [TS]

00:02:55   episode of hypocritical that was episode [TS]

00:02:58   102 know you can slowly i know i know i [TS]

00:03:01   should have released like eight special [TS]

00:03:03   episodes to beat you don't number 100 [TS]

00:03:04   but I didn't do it because the integrity [TS]

00:03:07   a podcast must be maintained so this [TS]

00:03:09   time i wanted to talk about again about [TS]

00:03:11   us but i wanted to talk a little bit [TS]

00:03:12   about the fact that we talked about uh [TS]

00:03:15   nerdy stuff we talked about comics and [TS]

00:03:17   and and sci-fi and fantasy and things [TS]

00:03:19   like that and and the reason i wanted to [TS]

00:03:22   talk about that is because when i was a [TS]

00:03:25   kid i love these things but i think [TS]

00:03:27   there was an implication and I [TS]

00:03:29   definitely got this from my parents that [TS]

00:03:30   these were things kids like that comic [TS]

00:03:33   books are for kids and science fiction [TS]

00:03:35   is for kids and watching Star Trek on TV [TS]

00:03:37   for kids all of this is the silly stuff [TS]

00:03:39   that you do as a kid and at some point [TS]

00:03:41   you grow up and that stuff isn't for you [TS]

00:03:45   anymore and you become an adult and it's [TS]

00:03:47   time to put away the childish things and [TS]

00:03:49   move on and do adult things and so what [TS]

00:03:53   I wanted to talk about here a little bit [TS]

00:03:55   is what movie big what the hell happened [TS]

00:03:58   because I i I'm still and i still like [TS]

00:04:02   them to this day and I think and we all [TS]

00:04:04   still like them and and it's so a part [TS]

00:04:06   of this is our wii suffering from a [TS]

00:04:09   horrible state of Arrested Development [TS]

00:04:11   and part of it is was that a load of [TS]

00:04:14   crap that people said there that there [TS]

00:04:16   are certain kinds of things that should [TS]

00:04:17   ever only be appreciated by children and [TS]

00:04:20   not by adults because if it's true that [TS]

00:04:23   that I should have given them all up i [TS]

00:04:26   missed the memo and I feel really bad [TS]

00:04:29   about it and somebody should let me know [TS]

00:04:31   when I talk about this recently to you [TS]

00:04:33   didn't mean to do it again you did you [TS]

00:04:35   you are you are living a good five weeks [TS]

00:04:38   ahead of me and everything i do wait [TS]

00:04:40   tell me which stocks to buy not gonna [TS]

00:04:43   help you that much [TS]

00:04:44   my mother is the person that I blame for [TS]

00:04:47   all of my science fiction forever yes [TS]

00:04:49   every problem sorry mom just waiting on [TS]

00:04:52   everything ya know but like she's the [TS]

00:04:54   person who introduced me to star trek [TS]

00:04:56   she's the person who introduced me to [TS]

00:04:57   star wars she's and my my father was [TS]

00:05:00   always very big on like you should read [TS]

00:05:01   the books that you want you can totally [TS]

00:05:03   read comics and sure I'm gonna let you [TS]

00:05:05   check out 25 science fiction books I [TS]

00:05:08   during the summer even though that's not [TS]

00:05:10   necessarily what's on your reading list [TS]

00:05:11   so i guess from my perspective or at [TS]

00:05:16   least growing up my parents were very [TS]

00:05:18   supportive about me playing with [TS]

00:05:21   whatever and my mother was very much a [TS]

00:05:23   geek and enjoyed that kind [TS]

00:05:25   stuff so I never really got the sense [TS]

00:05:28   that a certain point you kind of have to [TS]

00:05:30   put away the toys because your parents [TS]

00:05:31   your parents liked this stuff to show [TS]

00:05:34   you always sort of model that this is [TS]

00:05:36   something that's perfectly fine for [TS]

00:05:37   adults exactly you never feel do not go [TS]

00:05:40   off to college and feel some pressure to [TS]

00:05:41   like I shouldn't like these things [TS]

00:05:43   anymore i should i should drop these [TS]

00:05:45   habits for things that are going to be [TS]

00:05:46   more you know marketable and approved by [TS]

00:05:49   others and considered to be grown-up [TS]

00:05:52   things so here's the problem when you [TS]

00:05:54   grow up in a house it's full of [TS]

00:05:56   musicians and then you go to high school [TS]

00:05:58   for theater and experimental theater and [TS]

00:06:02   then you go to college for experimental [TS]

00:06:04   theater never have to grow up forever [TS]

00:06:06   when you spend I mean my thesis was on [TS]

00:06:09   radio plays and mask making and a little [TS]

00:06:13   bit of American history like when you [TS]

00:06:15   either way stay tuned for the [TS]

00:06:16   uncomfortable for mask making episodes [TS]

00:06:17   coming there will be so excited because [TS]

00:06:20   we were on our way [TS]

00:06:21   that's really great to water talking [TS]

00:06:22   about ratings better for you the best [TS]

00:06:25   podcast will be check out the next mom [TS]

00:06:30   dad it's a narrator I give you a double [TS]

00:06:33   alligator where did you go to uni there [TS]

00:06:34   was another guy with glasses on sitting [TS]

00:06:37   in that seat Frank Clark Kent a squad [TS]

00:06:39   very nice antsy but no I mean I i was [TS]

00:06:42   really lucky or at least I feel like I [TS]

00:06:44   was really lucky to grow up surrounded [TS]

00:06:46   by goofballs and people who are just [TS]

00:06:48   kind of like you know when I had a bad [TS]

00:06:50   day at school my dad was like let's go [TS]

00:06:52   to disneyland right not not let's let's [TS]

00:06:55   sit down and you lived in Kansas it was [TS]

00:06:58   a long drive on the opposite of my phone [TS]

00:07:02   yeah no I mean I mean my dad said let's [TS]

00:07:05   leave this we're going home we're [TS]

00:07:07   turning this car around and burn [TS]

00:07:09   actually tied up yes no I'm my parents [TS]

00:07:12   were strict and like I had restrictions [TS]

00:07:14   and things like that but also i mean my [TS]

00:07:17   parents and my my friends and the [TS]

00:07:19   schools that i went to later in life [TS]

00:07:21   both high school and college were all [TS]

00:07:23   full of goofballs and we're all full of [TS]

00:07:24   people who are for nerds and who are you [TS]

00:07:26   know very passionate about what they [TS]

00:07:28   cared about and that was a combination [TS]

00:07:30   of you know video games or movies or [TS]

00:07:33   books or whatever what have you and I I [TS]

00:07:37   don't know I just never felt [TS]

00:07:38   I mean maybe I'm younger than everyone [TS]

00:07:40   you had your pan how did you escape have [TS]

00:07:42   you do today as a as somebody in their [TS]

00:07:44   twenties who who moved to another city [TS]

00:07:46   and and has met other people and got [TS]

00:07:48   involved with other things have you run [TS]

00:07:49   into people now in your life who look at [TS]

00:07:52   you and say why are you why are you [TS]

00:07:54   interested in these things don't you do [TS]

00:07:56   serious boring grown-up things instead [TS]

00:07:57   I'm so i guess there are people like [TS]

00:08:00   this you need more judgmental yeah maybe [TS]

00:08:02   90 more people shaking their finger and [TS]

00:08:04   I could fill the role of you're looking [TS]

00:08:06   for somebody [TS]

00:08:07   they're always yeah there are always [TS]

00:08:09   people who are going to judge you but I [TS]

00:08:11   I guess pretty I I had a really like [TS]

00:08:14   crappy middle school experience with a [TS]

00:08:16   bunch of Judge ep2 yes exactly like God [TS]

00:08:21   I don't think about middle school your [TS]

00:08:23   idea and I the opposite there you know [TS]

00:08:24   you had it you made all your friends a [TS]

00:08:26   little school do it like this explains [TS]

00:08:28   so much and yes that because that's when [TS]

00:08:30   you met Tony sindelar it's my mental [TS]

00:08:33   applying eyeshadow him to elementary [TS]

00:08:35   school but like I had a core group of [TS]

00:08:36   friends who were all really nerdy and [TS]

00:08:38   all into the same things as us and we in [TS]

00:08:41   some to a certain extent there was like [TS]

00:08:42   safety in numbers like we could all hang [TS]

00:08:44   out and talk about is your only the [TS]

00:08:45   other people the popular people like [TS]

00:08:46   don't talk to them with jockstrap is [TS]

00:08:48   already got the beginner that's right [TS]

00:08:51   but like I have the opposite experience [TS]

00:08:52   for you in that my dad to this day has [TS]

00:08:55   no interest in anything even kind of [TS]

00:08:58   vaguely nerdy related [TS]

00:08:59   that's not true your dad's into baseball [TS]

00:09:01   and he's into like I mean there it's a [TS]

00:09:02   different kind of nerd but I mean like [TS]

00:09:04   I'm completely different kind of short [TS]

00:09:05   but what I'm saying specifically I'm [TS]

00:09:07   saying in the like fantasy science [TS]

00:09:09   fiction where all the stuff like that [TS]

00:09:10   kind of thing video that we talking [TS]

00:09:12   about like he has no interest in in [TS]

00:09:14   almost any of that like most i ever got [TS]

00:09:17   to play date games way that was like [TS]

00:09:18   scrabble and trivial pursuit and it's [TS]

00:09:22   you know he really had no internet my [TS]

00:09:24   mother is a little bit i think she's in [TS]

00:09:26   some ways more like a closet like geek [TS]

00:09:28   in that way because she definitely but [TS]

00:09:32   you can't reveal it to her husband right [TS]

00:09:34   now but like I should definitely read I [TS]

00:09:36   I definitely read fantasy books that she [TS]

00:09:38   gave me and my her sister especially and [TS]

00:09:41   all my cousins on that side [TS]

00:09:43   we're also really into a lot of this [TS]

00:09:44   stuff because i remember always watching [TS]

00:09:46   star wars like one of my earliest [TS]

00:09:47   memories watching star wars with that [TS]

00:09:49   and I remember that my aunt always [TS]

00:09:51   a flight like these fans fantasy sort of [TS]

00:09:54   young adult fantasy books for me to read [TS]

00:09:55   i would like borrow from our library [TS]

00:09:56   whatever's out there these Edward eager [TS]

00:09:58   for example or even as bit that kind of [TS]

00:10:01   stuff to sort of fantastic children's [TS]

00:10:03   novels of the like fifties and sixties [TS]

00:10:05   and I kind of grew up reading a bunch of [TS]

00:10:07   that stuff and and for me growing up [TS]

00:10:09   more than anything it was about books i [TS]

00:10:12   read its read constantly like there's a [TS]

00:10:14   in sixth grade you know when they were [TS]

00:10:16   like doing a slideshow with our like [TS]

00:10:17   sixth-grade graduation from elementary [TS]

00:10:19   school and they had like pictures of [TS]

00:10:21   people doing like you know things your I [TS]

00:10:22   was like me sitting at a desk reading a [TS]

00:10:24   book and I was like read books sometimes [TS]

00:10:26   during classes that's not supposed to [TS]

00:10:28   read reading books during but it was [TS]

00:10:29   like constantly I was always reading [TS]

00:10:31   something and i was reading tons and [TS]

00:10:33   tons of science fiction/fantasy at that [TS]

00:10:35   point and I think my mother kept you [TS]

00:10:37   know tried to make sure i read other [TS]

00:10:40   stuff like so I could you know sort of [TS]

00:10:42   more well-rounded but well that worked [TS]

00:10:45   out [TS]

00:10:46   I mean I did but I gravitate i [TS]

00:10:47   constantly gravitated back to that and [TS]

00:10:50   so it did provide and I had friends in [TS]

00:10:53   elementary school and you know again you [TS]

00:10:56   were all as kids you're all kind of into [TS]

00:10:58   certain aspects of that but I felt like [TS]

00:11:00   I didn't necessarily like bond with [TS]

00:11:02   anybody over it was just expected and so [TS]

00:11:04   it wasn't until I got to middle school [TS]

00:11:06   that I've met a lot of other people who [TS]

00:11:07   were really into the same thing and we [TS]

00:11:09   were you know playing playing D&D and we [TS]

00:11:12   were playing you know magic later on and [TS]

00:11:15   we were going biking to the comic book [TS]

00:11:17   store and talking about you know sci-fi [TS]

00:11:19   movies and all this stuff we made it we [TS]

00:11:21   made role-playing games and we founded [TS]

00:11:24   clubs like we basically took over a [TS]

00:11:26   games club and turn it into like a club [TS]

00:11:28   where we could play all sorts of like [TS]

00:11:30   rpgs and I you sure you're your child [TS]

00:11:32   what I wasn't like a John Waters movie [TS]

00:11:34   or something because i think it was like [TS]

00:11:35   a simulation in the computer and [TS]

00:11:38   actually it was it doesn't sound real [TS]

00:11:40   some terrible Eugene but it is mine for [TS]

00:11:42   me I was a matrix-matrix always unusual [TS]

00:11:45   and I understand that but like it was [TS]

00:11:46   for me it was a big part of embracing [TS]

00:11:50   that and never feeling never having to [TS]

00:11:52   feel ashamed of that you didn't learn [TS]

00:11:53   shame correctly and molecular change [TS]

00:11:55   trust me when i say looking for other [TS]

00:11:56   things but not not for that [TS]

00:11:59   Lauren and when I well I lived in a [TS]

00:12:00   place where being smart was not look [TS]

00:12:02   down upon that and I think natural [TS]

00:12:03   really like bowling I grew up in a in a [TS]

00:12:06   in a school system in which that was [TS]

00:12:08   really really valued and academic [TS]

00:12:11   achievement was sort of a big thing in [TS]

00:12:13   the way that athletics for example by [TS]

00:12:15   comparison was not as big in a city [TS]

00:12:17   named for one of the most famous [TS]

00:12:19   scientist that's you basically lives in [TS]

00:12:22   Utopia and and the the world's first PDF [TS]

00:12:24   but I was gonna ask me I was gonna ask [TS]

00:12:27   if it's a generational thing in some [TS]

00:12:28   ways in that like what [TS]

00:12:30   speaking of my father I know that as a [TS]

00:12:32   as a kid he read things like comic books [TS]

00:12:35   and stuff like that because it was again [TS]

00:12:38   expected or it was what you gave kids or [TS]

00:12:41   you know is what they were supposed to [TS]

00:12:42   an interesting but he clearly didn't [TS]

00:12:44   outgrow that because he really doesn't [TS]

00:12:46   have interest but i always wonder if [TS]

00:12:47   there's like a generational thing where [TS]

00:12:49   that was not in his the the area he was [TS]

00:12:51   growing up in that was not allowed or or [TS]

00:12:55   like you know there was no application [TS]

00:12:58   for that in a way that today it feels as [TS]

00:13:01   though it's a lot easier to grow up in a [TS]

00:13:03   society where that's acceptable and i [TS]

00:13:05   can give you I can give you one reason [TS]

00:13:06   actually the more I think about like my [TS]

00:13:08   childhood and where that whence the [TS]

00:13:10   internet are ya that I mean the fact [TS]

00:13:12   that you know like I had a really [TS]

00:13:14   terrible childhood went to the internet [TS]

00:13:16   folks [TS]

00:13:17   yes my child by adolescent well hope you [TS]

00:13:20   will find a one-day BBS is right like [TS]

00:13:23   the very first thing that I remember [TS]

00:13:24   doing when I got on a computer to talk [TS]

00:13:27   to other people [TS]

00:13:28   was that my dad had worked his celtic [TS]

00:13:30   connections to get me a pen pal for go [TS]

00:13:32   straighter like we were talking about [TS]

00:13:34   the silly PBS show with some kid in [TS]

00:13:37   arizona and i don't like I don't know [TS]

00:13:39   this kid and I haven't talked to him in [TS]

00:13:40   like 20 odd years but it was still the [TS]

00:13:44   fact that like oh wait you mean people [TS]

00:13:47   other than me like this show somewhere [TS]

00:13:49   else and then I was given pretty much [TS]

00:13:51   probably horrifying to most of the [TS]

00:13:54   parents in the room uh unrestricted [TS]

00:13:57   internet access from you know h7 onward [TS]

00:14:01   like I i was in chat rooms and I was my [TS]

00:14:03   dad was just he gave me a very quick [TS]

00:14:05   talk on the beginning and like we [TS]

00:14:07   started using the computer basically [TS]

00:14:08   like don't do stupid things and don't [TS]

00:14:10   reveal your real age [TS]

00:14:12   and I thought of that is ok i'll just [TS]

00:14:13   play a twenty-four-year-old so anywhere [TS]

00:14:16   I when I was just like I was cat I was a [TS]

00:14:18   24 year old student of veterinary [TS]

00:14:20   science or something like as a [TS]

00:14:22   thirteen-year-old I had like a fake [TS]

00:14:23   personality also her go box just fake [TS]

00:14:26   passports bills money you know you never [TS]

00:14:29   know when you when you have to flee the [TS]

00:14:30   country but no like I was you know [TS]

00:14:33   chatting with that and then i got [TS]

00:14:34   involved in like a matrix fan board for [TS]

00:14:36   a while right after that came out and [TS]

00:14:38   just went from there so we even though i [TS]

00:14:40   was having like a horrible experience in [TS]

00:14:42   elementary and middle school I had the [TS]

00:14:43   internet and the internet told me you're [TS]

00:14:45   not alone you have friends you have [TS]

00:14:47   people who understand you and who get [TS]

00:14:49   this kind of stuff do you think you 24 [TS]

00:14:50   aside from ren fulfill your obligation [TS]

00:14:53   to make Jason and I feel old [TS]

00:14:54   also she was that age now just still [TS]

00:14:56   gets carded at the irish yeah this is a [TS]

00:14:58   this I think is a reveals a divided [TS]

00:15:01   because in the the typical terrible [TS]

00:15:04   middle school experience that I had [TS]

00:15:05   there was no internet to go to find [TS]

00:15:08   other people like you and your master [TS]

00:15:10   now people know that like you're not the [TS]

00:15:13   only one of you may be different and you [TS]

00:15:15   may be weird but and there may not be a [TS]

00:15:17   lot of their someone like you will find [TS]

00:15:18   each other on the internet and there's a [TS]

00:15:20   place for you to go in there must be [TS]

00:15:21   that must be very comforting to rely [TS]

00:15:23   because the loneliness you feel as [TS]

00:15:26   someone who is an outsider and we're [TS]

00:15:27   different in some way when there's no [TS]

00:15:29   place for you to go and like that's what [TS]

00:15:31   you read the books are like well at [TS]

00:15:32   least his character in this book called [TS]

00:15:33   ya fictional like and that's only and [TS]

00:15:35   Josh and me but that's all you've got is [TS]

00:15:36   like if you could connect with a real [TS]

00:15:38   person and what I think that does is it [TS]

00:15:39   makes people not like if you if you [TS]

00:15:42   associate your mr. your temperature [TS]

00:15:45   probe stereotypical misery middle school [TS]

00:15:46   with your interest in this strange [TS]

00:15:48   french subject then you want to feel [TS]

00:15:51   like I never want to be like that again [TS]

00:15:52   I want to escape that I don't want to be [TS]

00:15:53   that person I want to be the different [TS]

00:15:55   person and so you grow up and you leave [TS]

00:15:56   that behind because it's part of the [TS]

00:15:57   transformation into an adult and like [TS]

00:15:59   now you gotta get my clothes I saw [TS]

00:16:01   someone tweeted something or whatever [TS]

00:16:02   raised from the onion is a area man or [TS]

00:16:04   whatever saying he's 49 year old says [TS]

00:16:07   he's only 23 years away from achieving [TS]

00:16:09   the level self-confidence he had before [TS]

00:16:11   entering middle yeah it was still like [TS]

00:16:14   middle school knocks you down and then [TS]

00:16:16   when you're 50 maybe you feel like you [TS]

00:16:17   maybe get reaching parody again right [TS]

00:16:19   and so you want to put that stuff aside [TS]

00:16:20   and say oh that's not me i'm a good [TS]

00:16:22   functional adult and if you start to [TS]

00:16:24   link it looks like a version therapy [TS]

00:16:25   no it's like you start to link that with [TS]

00:16:26   that but if you're in middle school and [TS]

00:16:29   you're like okay well I'm weird or [TS]

00:16:30   whatever but I hooked up with these [TS]

00:16:31   people and we validate each other and we [TS]

00:16:33   said we say we may be a minority but [TS]

00:16:35   we're not bad then you're not going [TS]

00:16:37   you're gonna carry that with you you're [TS]

00:16:39   not going to put it aside as part of [TS]

00:16:40   your growing-up process be like alright [TS]

00:16:42   so what you're not into it but I know a [TS]

00:16:43   bunch of the people are and it's part of [TS]

00:16:45   who I am and I'm not gonna set it aside [TS]

00:16:46   well that and that's what happened to me [TS]

00:16:47   and I mean I think I also i was thinking [TS]

00:16:49   back and was decided you know the other [TS]

00:16:51   thing I think that made a big difference [TS]

00:16:52   was that i did have adults that I could [TS]

00:16:55   look up to [TS]

00:16:56   who were interested in that kind of [TS]

00:16:57   thing specifically I think about my my [TS]

00:17:00   eldest cousin who I used to me is kind [TS]

00:17:02   of like an older sister she got married [TS]

00:17:05   when I was probably an eighth to a guy [TS]

00:17:07   who's a huge nurse and my cousin is is [TS]

00:17:10   herself like she's a librarian [TS]

00:17:12   she's really into like fantasy mya books [TS]

00:17:15   and stuff like that and she was always [TS]

00:17:16   super supportive but her husband is a [TS]

00:17:18   high school physics teacher and he's a [TS]

00:17:20   gigantic nerd it was from him that I [TS]

00:17:22   learned about dnd he introduced me to [TS]

00:17:24   magic and I just introduced to all of my [TS]

00:17:26   friends to it and he would always like I [TS]

00:17:28   would go up and visit and he would like [TS]

00:17:29   take me to the role-playing store [TS]

00:17:31   because like a long time I like [TS]

00:17:32   collected like little red managers [TS]

00:17:34   apartment [TS]

00:17:35   yeah exactly i a ton of those and so but [TS]

00:17:37   like he was an adult and I mean at that [TS]

00:17:40   point he was probably you know he must [TS]

00:17:41   have been in his 20 like early twenties [TS]

00:17:43   or something but there's an [TS]

00:17:44   eight-year-old or whatever he was an [TS]

00:17:45   adult right and and he would take me [TS]

00:17:48   like he would validate this right like [TS]

00:17:50   he was in a successful adult he was a [TS]

00:17:51   teacher and you know he was into the [TS]

00:17:54   stuff and he is a person who doesn't [TS]

00:17:56   feel any he's a very outspoken guy and [TS]

00:18:00   he is a very like I who is in no way [TS]

00:18:02   feels embarrassed about any of the [TS]

00:18:03   hobbies he does and that to me was a [TS]

00:18:06   very positive role model to have to look [TS]

00:18:08   up to be like you can be a functional [TS]

00:18:10   successful adult and still be interested [TS]

00:18:12   in these things that I don't have to [TS]

00:18:13   deny myself from liking these now I [TS]

00:18:15   didn't have the internet and I didn't [TS]

00:18:17   have those examples but i feel like i'm [TS]

00:18:18   trying to think of what made me hold on [TS]

00:18:20   to things and in capacity drop part of [TS]

00:18:23   that is like maybe you can hold two [TS]

00:18:24   nasty like screw everybody else I'm [TS]

00:18:26   gonna be bitter and hate the world and [TS]

00:18:27   become kind of like you can you can be a [TS]

00:18:29   self-hating nerd and you put me the [TS]

00:18:31   stuff behind and pretend it was never [TS]

00:18:32   you you can be the screw the whole world [TS]

00:18:34   i may be alone but I'm right [TS]

00:18:35   whatever but your chest yeah but but [TS]

00:18:38   that's not I mean you don't end up a [TS]

00:18:39   good place there with that I think the [TS]

00:18:40   things that I held onto were because [TS]

00:18:43   like computers is a good example like [TS]

00:18:45   why you know being nerdy being into [TS]

00:18:47   computers why is somebody hold onto its [TS]

00:18:49   because you could see like there was [TS]

00:18:51   enough in adult connection you can see [TS]

00:18:53   like computers in the future man like [TS]

00:18:54   you guys don't know but like something [TS]

00:18:56   we're gonna rule the world and whatever [TS]

00:18:58   because computers so important there was [TS]

00:18:59   a little bit of a connection that was [TS]

00:19:00   like well adults are into computers too [TS]

00:19:02   but it's not the thing to be into in [TS]

00:19:04   your middle school to be into computers [TS]

00:19:06   at all and so like you have a way in our [TS]

00:19:08   era was very much so like oh yeah you [TS]

00:19:10   guys computers is gonna be your entire [TS]

00:19:12   life you gotta you know we're where we [TS]

00:19:14   don't really understand it but you guys [TS]

00:19:16   totally get it you're good i mean i got [TS]

00:19:17   my chakras that you should do computers [TS]

00:19:19   because in it in the future everyone [TS]

00:19:20   will eat computer but it was a death [TS]

00:19:22   sentence and socially to go okay I'll do [TS]

00:19:24   computers and Becca really into the [TS]

00:19:25   money its computer magazine our stop [TS]

00:19:27   hitting me and I don't like being in the [TS]

00:19:29   easy or something yeah i'm fascinated by [TS]

00:19:33   this because i do think it it's luck of [TS]

00:19:35   the draw of at least back then maybe not [TS]

00:19:37   now with the internet of who was around [TS]

00:19:39   so dad Dan had his support system with [TS]

00:19:42   those friends who were into those things [TS]

00:19:44   for me my best friend in elementary [TS]

00:19:46   school and I went to work a three-way [TS]

00:19:47   tie didn't haven't I didn't have a [TS]

00:19:49   junior high I just had the latter don't [TS]

00:19:51   it just was a slope that decreased into [TS]

00:19:53   hell has gotten but i might my best [TS]

00:19:57   friend in elementary school [TS]

00:19:58   his dad was a sixth-grade teacher and at [TS]

00:20:01   our elementary school and his dad was [TS]

00:20:03   really in computers he was the first one [TS]

00:20:05   who had a personal computer is the first [TS]

00:20:06   one who an apple too and so that family [TS]

00:20:09   was into computers and that made me into [TS]

00:20:10   computers and like we had a computer [TS]

00:20:13   club that was in that would that his dad [TS]

00:20:16   was the advisor and you stay after [TS]

00:20:17   school in mr. Collins room and you know [TS]

00:20:20   and i gotta say to chuck Holland my best [TS]

00:20:24   friend's dad from from elementary school [TS]

00:20:26   that's why I'm in this business is [TS]

00:20:28   because he encouraged us because of that [TS]

00:20:31   sort of computers of the future are they [TS]

00:20:32   really cool and so I never felt in [TS]

00:20:35   elementary school like the computer [TS]

00:20:38   stuff like we would go out in the hall [TS]

00:20:40   during recess and play ultima on an [TS]

00:20:42   apple too and that was like supported by [TS]

00:20:45   by mr. Holland right so I never felt [TS]

00:20:48   that until we have to [TS]

00:20:49   high school that there was the computer [TS]

00:20:50   isolation but I didn't have a lot of [TS]

00:20:54   other stuff i mean there was Star Wars [TS]

00:20:55   came out and everybody loved Star Wars [TS]

00:20:57   that was unifying but it was also not [TS]

00:20:58   special but I never felt the same kind [TS]

00:21:01   of unifying about but there are couple [TS]

00:21:04   kids who like comics and there are a [TS]

00:21:05   couple kids are like science fiction but [TS]

00:21:07   those were the things that seemed seem [TS]

00:21:10   different to me but not the computers [TS]

00:21:12   because i had a critical mass of [TS]

00:21:14   computer people in in the you know up [TS]

00:21:16   through eighth grade and then but in [TS]

00:21:18   high school there were the guys who hung [TS]

00:21:20   out of the computer lab and I was never [TS]

00:21:22   one of those guys now and some of that [TS]

00:21:24   was you know it just didn't happen and [TS]

00:21:26   some of it was like I don't want to be [TS]

00:21:28   one of those guys time for a brief break [TS]

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00:23:07   I think having that authority figure I [TS]

00:23:10   think helps in some ways even if they're [TS]

00:23:11   not directly involved in it and I have [TS]

00:23:13   to think back to in middle school my [TS]

00:23:15   homeroom teacher was a guy named icky [TS]

00:23:17   hace and he was the bike he was to me [TS]

00:23:21   and my friends I always kind of refer to [TS]

00:23:23   him as our patron saint because whatever [TS]

00:23:25   club we wanted to come up with he would [TS]

00:23:28   support it like you want to like a [TS]

00:23:30   computer games club and you're like [TS]

00:23:31   that's fine you want to a games club you [TS]

00:23:33   want to like a dnd club newspaper like [TS]

00:23:36   all the stuff he was the most patient [TS]

00:23:37   wonderful guy and I was very sad with my [TS]

00:23:40   friends and i were trying to get [TS]

00:23:41   together with him a couple years ago and [TS]

00:23:43   he ended up passing away suddenly which [TS]

00:23:44   was a real bummer but like we he [TS]

00:23:47   nurtured us and was like even if it was [TS]

00:23:49   not think he was into he was willing to [TS]

00:23:51   carve out the time to be like I will sit [TS]

00:23:53   in the room you know as your student [TS]

00:23:55   advisor or your faculty advisor and you [TS]

00:23:58   guys can do this stuff and like if I if [TS]

00:23:59   you need anything for me let me know and [TS]

00:24:01   and he really kind of you know took us [TS]

00:24:03   under his wing and and it was it was [TS]

00:24:05   huge that was a huge plate it was having [TS]

00:24:07   like a protected space with enough an [TS]

00:24:10   adult authority figure who even if they [TS]

00:24:12   were not like particularly versed in [TS]

00:24:14   that they were willing to say there's [TS]

00:24:15   nothing wrong with what you're doing you [TS]

00:24:17   guys are having fun you're learning [TS]

00:24:18   stuff you're socializing that is what [TS]

00:24:20   you are here for and that I think made a [TS]

00:24:22   huge difference from my friends and I to [TS]

00:24:24   give us some place to hang out and we [TS]

00:24:26   there's a point where we were like four [TS]

00:24:28   out of five days after school we were we [TS]

00:24:30   had like some sort of Club going doing [TS]

00:24:33   something nerdy and that you know again [TS]

00:24:35   that was kind of a day for us and it's [TS]

00:24:37   sort of like having the experience and i [TS]

00:24:38   know most people didn't have the [TS]

00:24:40   experience that I feel very fortunate [TS]

00:24:41   that I did I think the medium has [TS]

00:24:43   something to do with it because we [TS]

00:24:44   mentioned two things so far that like [TS]

00:24:45   all right people are our parents and our [TS]

00:24:49   parents parents read books and went to [TS]

00:24:51   the movies and there's different kinds [TS]

00:24:52   of books on a different kind of movies [TS]

00:24:53   but the medium offer some protection so [TS]

00:24:55   if you become an adult then you read [TS]

00:24:57   trashy romance novels and you get some [TS]

00:24:59   protection from being like I'm an avid [TS]

00:25:01   reader i read that i read right yeah [TS]

00:25:04   what do you read your treasured moments [TS]

00:25:05   like that didn't Ghostbusters right [TS]

00:25:07   right right and and for and same thing [TS]

00:25:10   for movies there's so many different [TS]

00:25:11   kinds of movies what kind of movies do [TS]

00:25:12   you see you just watch westerns just one [TS]

00:25:14   some comedies or whatever like this some [TS]

00:25:16   protection in like you can the John Ruth [TS]

00:25:18   the the medium offers protection and [TS]

00:25:20   computers was like that's not a medium [TS]

00:25:22   that existed but you're talking about [TS]

00:25:23   computers and so it it's like there's a [TS]

00:25:25   disconnect between you know my parents [TS]

00:25:27   read books and I read books and like and [TS]

00:25:29   then like what genre you know there's no [TS]

00:25:31   protection for computers like computers [TS]

00:25:32   but apparently you don't computers and [TS]

00:25:34   wouldn't even do with a computer right i [TS]

00:25:36   mean as a generational divide but now [TS]

00:25:38   the adults that you look up to as I like [TS]

00:25:40   well adults as a category I don't do [TS]

00:25:43   that don't use your fingers because they [TS]

00:25:45   didn't exist when they're around and [TS]

00:25:46   then I do them and it's like and and [TS]

00:25:48   that's not like a kid thing I'm going [TS]

00:25:49   towards what we were talking about IDP a [TS]

00:25:51   lot is like video games right [TS]

00:25:53   I was not only is that a generational [TS]

00:25:55   divide in its medium that didn't exist [TS]

00:25:57   but it's got the word game in it and [TS]

00:25:59   kids play games and now that's an [TS]

00:26:02   eternity like card games offer [TS]

00:26:03   generational protection it's like [TS]

00:26:05   everyone played card games back you know [TS]

00:26:06   everybody's bridge video games computers [TS]

00:26:09   combined with games and that's the [TS]

00:26:11   ultimate like you should be growing out [TS]

00:26:12   of that and yet now that is the that is [TS]

00:26:15   the thing right like everybody [TS]

00:26:17   yeah I know everybody plays computer [TS]

00:26:18   games like even even like the jocks [TS]

00:26:21   because we passed the generational yeah [TS]

00:26:23   exactly what fashion we cleared it [TS]

00:26:25   because the helicopter parents still [TS]

00:26:27   don't have a parent and I playable [TS]

00:26:28   number i'm alright not all right hereand [TS]

00:26:31   was not exactly like me were your [TS]

00:26:33   parents we are Jason and I are the [TS]

00:26:35   leading edge of that and now people are [TS]

00:26:36   having kids now of course the game we [TS]

00:26:38   welcome you back to the jungle with a [TS]

00:26:40   machete and all the right minecraft hot [TS]

00:26:42   running but that's why our parents were [TS]

00:26:43   always always going to be shocked the [TS]

00:26:45   weekend the new play video games but it [TS]

00:26:46   you know like we have kids and we're not [TS]

00:26:48   going to be shocked that our kids can [TS]

00:26:49   you play because we do it like a grown [TS]

00:26:50   adult activity and although i could give [TS]

00:26:52   you a counter argument which is my [TS]

00:26:54   mother always said oh you still reading [TS]

00:26:56   those funny books right because that was [TS]

00:26:58   because it's the honest problem which is [TS]

00:27:00   it was it a comic books were considered [TS]

00:27:02   trash that was just junk for kids [TS]

00:27:04   yeah and here's it is something i wanted [TS]

00:27:06   to mention to that with that maybe we'll [TS]

00:27:08   get to in a little bit is some of this [TS]

00:27:10   is a is about society changing the [TS]

00:27:12   internet changing some of this is about [TS]

00:27:13   people who grew up as kids loving the [TS]

00:27:15   trash that was for kids as adults saying [TS]

00:27:18   what if I made that and it wasn't trash [TS]

00:27:20   have my little pony and so that's and [TS]

00:27:22   that's where you get like comics today [TS]

00:27:23   are not like comics were when my mom [TS]

00:27:26   knew what comic books were there their [TS]

00:27:28   literature now in a way that they [TS]

00:27:31   weren't and so in a way if that's what [TS]

00:27:32   you think of comics is that their junk [TS]

00:27:34   then why would your kids their junk for [TS]

00:27:36   kids why would anybody think is really [TS]

00:27:38   just for kids think it's confusing to [TS]

00:27:39   the older generation and the reason it [TS]

00:27:41   keeps coming up is because the same [TS]

00:27:43   properties like the my little pony thing [TS]

00:27:44   is a woman who grew up watching my [TS]

00:27:46   little pony and my little pony was [TS]

00:27:48   garbage he's really one so she made a [TS]

00:27:50   new show also called my little pony and [TS]

00:27:52   from the outside perspective it's like [TS]

00:27:54   you to look at my little points like no [TS]

00:27:55   this my little ponies I'm saying this [TS]

00:27:56   spider-man is not saying is that [TS]

00:27:58   Spiderman was in but it's still [TS]

00:27:59   spider-man like it so it doesn't look [TS]

00:28:01   the same thing outside because they use [TS]

00:28:02   the same properties and IP but it is a [TS]

00:28:04   generation that grew up with them and is [TS]

00:28:06   making essentially more sophisticated or [TS]

00:28:08   even adults versions of them in some [TS]

00:28:09   cases the thing i always thought was [TS]

00:28:11   interesting from a cultural touchstone [TS]

00:28:13   point of view looking back you know and [TS]

00:28:15   talking about the nerdery we talked [TS]

00:28:17   about genre zinda and mediums movies to [TS]

00:28:20   me was always really interesting because [TS]

00:28:22   if you look at what we're traditionally [TS]

00:28:24   like the high grossing blockbuster [TS]

00:28:26   movies they were often sci-fi or fantasy [TS]

00:28:29   movies if you look today especially now [TS]

00:28:31   everything that gets there was a hundred [TS]

00:28:33   million dollars every right I got that [TS]

00:28:35   in sort of that same hours ever since [TS]

00:28:37   Star Wars the highest grossing movies [TS]

00:28:39   ever released are all what we would [TS]

00:28:42   consider sci-fi/fantasy Star Wars was [TS]

00:28:44   such a cultural touchstone that it [TS]

00:28:45   didn't matter it wasn't like that's a [TS]

00:28:47   movie for nerds [TS]

00:28:48   it was a movie that a lot of people [TS]

00:28:49   really like i said it was growing up [TS]

00:28:52   with Star Wars it was in the it was [TS]

00:28:55   everything I was was in the air i was [TS]

00:28:57   six when Star Wars came out everybody [TS]

00:28:59   let's start wars star wars wasn't [TS]

00:29:00   something you were allowed to have an [TS]

00:29:02   opinion about like Mickey Mouse everyone [TS]

00:29:03   looks like they're just not as much [TS]

00:29:05   storage like chocolate ice cream [TS]

00:29:07   yeah it's all good i think about what [TS]

00:29:10   kids growing up right now with Marvel [TS]

00:29:12   and everything else I mean it's it's [TS]

00:29:14   cool i saw an accessible my son and [TS]

00:29:16   daughter obsessed with the with Marvel [TS]

00:29:18   stuff in my son especially but it's it's [TS]

00:29:20   and that's and that's the cultural [TS]

00:29:22   change right is is you've got the [TS]

00:29:24   internet saying you're not alone you've [TS]

00:29:26   got this stuff having been remixed for a [TS]

00:29:30   new generation popular yeah just [TS]

00:29:32   validating will be with exactly and [TS]

00:29:34   you've got a generation of parents who [TS]

00:29:36   are familiar with this stuff and have a [TS]

00:29:39   lot [TS]

00:29:39   for that maybe wasn't there may be some [TS]

00:29:41   of that is also that the entertainment [TS]

00:29:42   companies are wise now and they know [TS]

00:29:44   there's the cycle and why is there going [TS]

00:29:46   to be a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles [TS]

00:29:47   movie why are there Transformers movies [TS]

00:29:49   they're aware that the parents of the [TS]

00:29:52   kids are aware of those brands but i [TS]

00:29:55   think it's anything like my little pony [TS]

00:29:57   thing that was like the people who are [TS]

00:29:58   doing these things now are people who [TS]

00:30:01   grew up with in jail even a brother [TS]

00:30:03   right exactly because like it and right [TS]

00:30:06   now it may have a one-time been just for [TS]

00:30:08   kids or low-quality or whatever but [TS]

00:30:11   that's not our memory of it and all [TS]

00:30:12   those people who have memories are now [TS]

00:30:13   the creators and they are like that is [TS]

00:30:16   dying art is that is a canvas that paint [TS]

00:30:18   that they're painting with is you know [TS]

00:30:20   that the thing that I loved but but way [TS]

00:30:23   better like make it like I remember it [TS]

00:30:25   being but it really never was [TS]

00:30:27   that's what that's what Joss Whedon is [TS]

00:30:28   doing with the Marvel movies it's the [TS]

00:30:29   same thing right it's it's it's I and [TS]

00:30:33   that that's a way that's really [TS]

00:30:34   interesting because that's the upgrading [TS]

00:30:35   that's the taking something that [TS]

00:30:37   probably was junk [TS]

00:30:38   I mean oh my god this is I i always call [TS]

00:30:40   this the scooby-doo theorem which is [TS]

00:30:42   just don't watch things you watch when [TS]

00:30:44   you were a kid because you'll find fish [TS]

00:30:45   all terrible really they're right but [TS]

00:30:48   you mind that and turn it into that [TS]

00:30:49   turned into something better and then [TS]

00:30:52   you know you can't say well don't don't [TS]

00:30:53   do well scooby-doo's a bad example [TS]

00:30:55   because it's just gonna be terrible [TS]

00:30:56   regardless but like all that star wars i [TS]

00:30:57   was that silly moving for kids and [TS]

00:30:59   saying well now it's its people have [TS]

00:31:01   been doing this for years and years [TS]

00:31:02   though because you look at a strip like [TS]

00:31:04   peanuts which was very very popular and [TS]

00:31:07   ran for years and I know so many [TS]

00:31:10   cartoonists who use that kind of is [TS]

00:31:13   their defining moment to be like Oh [TS]

00:31:15   comics don't just have to be laughs and [TS]

00:31:18   a down-and-out comics can have serious [TS]

00:31:19   things hidden underneath the the shield [TS]

00:31:22   of small children saying them and from [TS]

00:31:25   there you know you've you get all kinds [TS]

00:31:27   of expansions both and newspapers [TS]

00:31:30   outside of newspapers the web comics [TS]

00:31:32   industry was largely founded by people [TS]

00:31:34   who you know loved peanuts and other [TS]

00:31:37   really fun for better web comics is [TS]

00:31:39   another weird thing that got me a medium [TS]

00:31:40   wise because it was like alright i read [TS]

00:31:42   that i read the funny papers every day [TS]

00:31:44   in the newspaper mind what [TS]

00:31:45   grand Rite is a funny book so that if [TS]

00:31:47   you and you have to explain to your [TS]

00:31:48   parents when this from this generational [TS]

00:31:50   shift happened of like I read comics by [TS]

00:31:52   reading my computer they're called [TS]

00:31:53   webcomics like what time on that later [TS]

00:31:56   no one would question you reading the [TS]

00:31:58   comics as part of the papers repay for [TS]

00:31:59   something else did but if you but now [TS]

00:32:01   you remember you also have to go and [TS]

00:32:02   find out why your original that's a part [TS]

00:32:04   of now you're reading them on the [TS]

00:32:05   computer and like how is webcomics even [TS]

00:32:07   the thing and even from within the [TS]

00:32:08   industry there's resistance like this [TS]

00:32:10   new medium anytime is a new medium it [TS]

00:32:12   seems like pants it's weird or different [TS]

00:32:14   or that like it's not also podcasting [TS]

00:32:16   what the hell is that it's young it's [TS]

00:32:18   the is it Douglas Adams who has the [TS]

00:32:20   thing about any technology that existed [TS]

00:32:23   when you were a kid is perfectly natural [TS]

00:32:24   anything that's invented between your [TS]

00:32:27   ages of white 20 and 40 is like really [TS]

00:32:30   cool exciting than anything past that is [TS]

00:32:32   Larry yeah yeah absolutely the same sort [TS]

00:32:34   of thing with cultural stuff too i think [TS]

00:32:35   there's you know yeah there's certainly [TS]

00:32:37   a certain amount of a generational stuff [TS]

00:32:39   i was wondering if some of the things [TS]

00:32:41   with parents who like encourage their [TS]

00:32:44   kids to give up that was sort of a [TS]

00:32:48   reflection of them being forced to do so [TS]

00:32:50   and feeling like well i was told that my [TS]

00:32:53   age when I was a kid there like I had to [TS]

00:32:55   grow up and give up these things and now [TS]

00:32:58   since and when now that i am a parent [TS]

00:33:00   I'm passing that along with that was [TS]

00:33:02   that was indicated to me as like this [TS]

00:33:04   transmission fires of adulthood true [TS]

00:33:06   which i think is no I'm and for a lot of [TS]

00:33:08   us it's the post-war cultural signifiers [TS]

00:33:10   of adulthood that have kind of the [TS]

00:33:12   permeate the culture when we were [TS]

00:33:14   growing up and it's the you-know-what [TS]

00:33:16   who we on the game show episode that we [TS]

00:33:18   did [TS]

00:33:19   there's the you know that with the [TS]

00:33:20   family feud question and it was like [TS]

00:33:21   what water men's hobbies and skull and [TS]

00:33:25   right and how you know whatever will be [TS]

00:33:27   playing golf on towards sports assets [TS]

00:33:29   that whenever i try to go buy a birthday [TS]

00:33:31   card for my dad yeah for things that you [TS]

00:33:34   got it was like you know what it would [TS]

00:33:36   have men do men drink and go play golf [TS]

00:33:38   and has tight and watch TV and their [TS]

00:33:43   cars and his cars and girls yeah that's [TS]

00:33:46   it i dinna parents that were trying to [TS]

00:33:49   stop the kids from doing that and I mean [TS]

00:33:50   I think the perspective they're coming [TS]

00:33:52   from is like they're afraid that their [TS]

00:33:55   child is not going to fit in if they [TS]

00:33:57   continue yeah [TS]

00:33:58   thing and they said they were trying to [TS]

00:33:59   get you to like to conform you'll be [TS]

00:34:01   happier in life if you were like [TS]

00:34:03   everybody else and what they thought [TS]

00:34:04   everyone was supposed to be like this [TS]

00:34:05   don't play video games because none of [TS]

00:34:07   the adults in my parish and play video [TS]

00:34:08   games so be better if you just stop with [TS]

00:34:10   the video games because i don't want [TS]

00:34:11   that they fear for their just like the [TS]

00:34:12   administration perspective background to [TS]

00:34:14   the internet it's like kind of puts the [TS]

00:34:16   lie to that right yeah there are plenty [TS]

00:34:18   of normal people [TS]

00:34:19   well it's the also i mean i hate to put [TS]

00:34:21   it I Pete abnormal gambler normal [TS]

00:34:24   yes it's lovely isn't it that's it i [TS]

00:34:26   hate to put it towards a a generational [TS]

00:34:29   like typical blah blah blah [TS]

00:34:32   these are my parents generation was very [TS]

00:34:33   much like oh you're not married by 24 [TS]

00:34:35   what's wrong with you and oh you're [TS]

00:34:38   doing this stuff will completely and [TS]

00:34:39   then you look at like fruit and you're [TS]

00:34:41   in my generation it's like I most of my [TS]

00:34:43   friends did not even start dating the [TS]

00:34:46   person that they eventually got married [TS]

00:34:47   two before they were in their [TS]

00:34:48   mid-twenties and God forbid like I know [TS]

00:34:51   maybe two people who got married before [TS]

00:34:52   24 ended better had to be the woman what [TS]

00:34:55   else is what we're gonna do if not get [TS]

00:34:56   married you and I think I know it's like [TS]

00:34:59   even even in the sixties and seventies [TS]

00:35:01   where I was like clearly women had a [TS]

00:35:03   path beyond just making stuff and yeah [TS]

00:35:05   but it was frowned upon [TS]

00:35:06   it was but as it became more and more [TS]

00:35:08   acceptable still it was you know my [TS]

00:35:10   mother got married at 23 and I look at [TS]

00:35:12   that now and I'm like oh my god thats [TS]

00:35:13   see I mean by comparison I've my parents [TS]

00:35:16   were married fairly late and we're 23i [TS]

00:35:20   120 it is something like that i was [TS]

00:35:22   doing alright thank you [TS]

00:35:23   yeah when that was going on but we're [TS]

00:35:26   gonna jump ahead Jason but like Lauren I [TS]

00:35:29   mean is I is a key person right like [TS]

00:35:31   Warren likes that kind of stuff oh yeah [TS]

00:35:34   I I think see I think night everybody [TS]

00:35:36   when everything's relative i think she [TS]

00:35:37   was not married i think she was not yet [TS]

00:35:39   well after being married to me for 20 [TS]

00:35:41   years permeated our relationship that I [TS]

00:35:43   think I think she was not exposed to it [TS]

00:35:45   and no antibody because it was not [TS]

00:35:48   because it was not like it was not smell [TS]

00:35:50   cookies [TS]

00:35:51   her parents were into into any of that [TS]

00:35:53   stuff and I and her friends weren't and [TS]

00:35:55   so although it was sort of floating out [TS]

00:35:56   there but it's only you know it was only [TS]

00:35:59   through exposure to me although so I [TS]

00:36:00   want things I want to talk about is is [TS]

00:36:02   later on because in high school I felt [TS]

00:36:05   much more of this of like I maybe I [TS]

00:36:07   shouldn't like these things and this [TS]

00:36:10   idea that [TS]

00:36:11   that uh you know you don't know that [TS]

00:36:13   you're not you know you're not the only [TS]

00:36:15   one who's interested in these things I [TS]

00:36:16   remember it when i was in high school I [TS]

00:36:19   had a balsa-wood TARDIS that I made and [TS]

00:36:24   handed myself and I put the decals on I [TS]

00:36:27   had one of those plastic starship [TS]

00:36:28   enterprises that I made it means that we [TS]

00:36:31   have like spicy cows on I think you're [TS]

00:36:33   right its targets what you're saying hey [TS]

00:36:35   so LOL and what I'm saying is when i [TS]

00:36:37   went off to college i donated all my [TS]

00:36:40   doctor who books in my star trek books I [TS]

00:36:42   throughout the TARDIS balsa wood model [TS]

00:36:44   which everybody that was your lapper [TS]

00:36:46   that was your last ditch attempt to get [TS]

00:36:48   women you're like look I just gotta make [TS]

00:36:50   it happen i got to get rid of the stuff [TS]

00:36:51   they were holding me back there were [TS]

00:36:52   more ditch attempt after that buddy but [TS]

00:36:55   you're this is the point is is I felt [TS]

00:36:58   like I felt like I was for whatever [TS]

00:37:02   reason at this point where i wanted to [TS]

00:37:04   divest myself of these things there [TS]

00:37:06   these are for kids and I need to go off [TS]

00:37:08   and of course I found out very quickly [TS]

00:37:09   that was completely wrong [TS]

00:37:12   I but it was like that moment of like do [TS]

00:37:14   I put down the childish things now and [TS]

00:37:16   and and am I not allowed to like them [TS]

00:37:18   anymore because nobody's gonna let me [TS]

00:37:20   I'm gonna be this sad weird person who [TS]

00:37:22   likes these ridiculous things that are [TS]

00:37:24   for kids get arrested development I've [TS]

00:37:26   got the counter example for that which [TS]

00:37:28   is in the first two weeks of cutting [TS]

00:37:29   first week of college the my first [TS]

00:37:33   girlfriend who I met I met because she [TS]

00:37:35   was reading game of thrones like yeah [TS]

00:37:38   yes I'm gonna shot i had not read at [TS]

00:37:40   that point my friends started talking to [TS]

00:37:42   her and I but I like fantasy and so we [TS]

00:37:44   sort of got into a conversation with [TS]

00:37:45   games i enjoy Thrones and games but like [TS]

00:37:48   other well but especially because in [TS]

00:37:50   college there is so much opportunity [TS]

00:37:53   right like there is that is the point at [TS]

00:37:55   which you do because for a lot of people [TS]

00:37:57   who go away to college the it doesn't it [TS]

00:38:00   stratifies differently right it's also a [TS]

00:38:01   chance to read find who you are without [TS]

00:38:03   anybody knowing your history [TS]

00:38:05   absolutely but there's there are so many [TS]

00:38:07   opportunities I felt like in college [TS]

00:38:08   where there were associations and [TS]

00:38:10   organizations of all types that were [TS]

00:38:12   interested in all sorts of different [TS]

00:38:13   things you know there could be it and [TS]

00:38:16   they showed like it for example at our [TS]

00:38:18   place better school with a movie theater [TS]

00:38:19   and then we show like called classics [TS]

00:38:21   nerdy movies and stuff that people would [TS]

00:38:23   go to [TS]

00:38:24   and you know there are lots of [TS]

00:38:25   opportunities to do these things I never [TS]

00:38:27   felt the pressure to leave the stuff [TS]

00:38:29   behind and again the game by computers [TS]

00:38:31   it's because i felt like i was on a [TS]

00:38:32   mission I felt like we're going to use [TS]

00:38:34   these computers to change the world and [TS]

00:38:36   i'm gonna make that happen and I don't [TS]

00:38:38   have time you don't distract me John is [TS]

00:38:39   building skynet around and we're on a [TS]

00:38:41   mission I don't have time to be [TS]

00:38:42   distracted with this stuff or whatever [TS]

00:38:44   and it was like is that gonna is that [TS]

00:38:45   gonna be donated to transition to [TS]

00:38:47   adulthood it's like now I have important [TS]

00:38:49   work to do like and remember it's [TS]

00:38:51   delusional yeah like what am I can see [TS]

00:38:53   like that's the end all the commotion [TS]

00:38:55   reviews of of Star Trek next generation [TS]

00:38:56   episodes on record Star Trek was not [TS]

00:38:58   part of my mission I just yeah that's [TS]

00:39:00   what I'm saying if it's like you know [TS]

00:39:01   because I playing D&D I did all those [TS]

00:39:03   things and I didn't feel like it was [TS]

00:39:04   leaving behind it what I felt like I was [TS]

00:39:06   picking up the mantle of like this this [TS]

00:39:07   is going to remember my life's work in [TS]

00:39:09   my generation is going to you know make [TS]

00:39:11   like AI happen and we're gonna have [TS]

00:39:13   computers like whatever and you know it [TS]

00:39:15   before you realize that's not gonna [TS]

00:39:16   happen everything the internet came and [TS]

00:39:18   it seemed like it was all coming [TS]

00:39:19   together but like it alot certain things [TS]

00:39:21   will allow you to keep these strange [TS]

00:39:23   hobbies even without external validation [TS]

00:39:25   because you felt like you felt like you [TS]

00:39:26   were making something happen whereas if [TS]

00:39:28   you're playing D&D i'm not sure what you [TS]

00:39:30   think you're making happen and then it [TS]

00:39:31   just becomes like a weight and it's like [TS]

00:39:33   other people aren't doing it won't talk [TS]

00:39:35   to me maybe I take it like a personal [TS]

00:39:38   like not necessarily a mission to change [TS]

00:39:39   the world but like a goal for you know [TS]

00:39:42   my own personal life you know it so I'm [TS]

00:39:43   thinking like I started very early on [TS]

00:39:45   writing like fantasy and science fiction [TS]

00:39:48   because I loved reading fantasy and [TS]

00:39:49   science fiction and I was like I want to [TS]

00:39:51   tell some stories i love react and a big [TS]

00:39:54   part of that for me was being like 14 [TS]

00:39:57   and writing in I tried to the first [TS]

00:39:59   thing I ever liked submitted for [TS]

00:40:00   publication was there is a company [TS]

00:40:03   called West End games that made the [TS]

00:40:04   original Star Wars whole plan game and I [TS]

00:40:06   read they had like these adventures that [TS]

00:40:09   would come out with like short stories [TS]

00:40:10   and like you know me adventures that you [TS]

00:40:12   can play and I was like I'm gonna write [TS]

00:40:13   something for these guys and I wrote a [TS]

00:40:14   thing and submitted it and they'll be [TS]

00:40:16   back and they're like basically they [TS]

00:40:17   could tell me they could publish because [TS]

00:40:18   i wasn't like 16 or something and so my [TS]

00:40:21   friend Jason Ozzy and I were like well [TS]

00:40:23   that's not fair you know we're just as [TS]

00:40:25   good as anybody else we started like [TS]

00:40:26   making our own at that point where you [TS]

00:40:28   called an easy [TS]

00:40:29   mm-hmm that we could just like we're [TS]

00:40:32   gonna find people who are like us and [TS]

00:40:33   want to write stuff but like can't get [TS]

00:40:35   published and so we started a thing that [TS]

00:40:37   we do [TS]

00:40:37   tribute output BBS's for a while and [TS]

00:40:39   then later on like you know moved onto [TS]

00:40:41   the internet but like that was like that [TS]

00:40:43   because that was what i want to do with [TS]

00:40:44   my life you know it's like I want to [TS]

00:40:45   write stories and I'm so I'm like you [TS]

00:40:47   were on a mission to exactly it was a [TS]

00:40:49   different mission but it was I did it [TS]

00:40:50   encompass something that most people [TS]

00:40:51   consider just a frail and is able to be [TS]

00:40:54   left behind [TS]

00:40:55   absolutely like they're going to write [TS]

00:40:56   these novels like i enjoy them but it [TS]

00:40:58   seems like another thing to do is an [TS]

00:40:59   adults-only them behind me as you feel [TS]

00:41:00   like I'm going to be because these were [TS]

00:41:02   written by adults these books that you [TS]

00:41:03   are really actually like you know and if [TS]

00:41:05   you're aspiring to be one of the people [TS]

00:41:06   who writes them you're gonna keep [TS]

00:41:07   reading them nicely yeah absolutely but [TS]

00:41:09   also to the point like having the [TS]

00:41:11   technology and the internet there to [TS]

00:41:12   enable that like that we could go out [TS]

00:41:14   and find other people who are like I [TS]

00:41:17   want to write this stuff like that was a [TS]

00:41:19   and that was sort of in its nascent [TS]

00:41:20   period you know is just getting started [TS]

00:41:22   the web was just getting started when i [TS]

00:41:24   was doing this and you know that made a [TS]

00:41:27   big deal as well in terms of the as we [TS]

00:41:28   mentioned like being able to find [TS]

00:41:30   like-minded people and know that they [TS]

00:41:31   were out there was it was a huge thing [TS]

00:41:34   but to this day there is a sense from a [TS]

00:41:37   lot of people i think not in our [TS]

00:41:40   community but outside of that those [TS]

00:41:43   people you find on the internet aren't [TS]

00:41:45   real people and that those relationships [TS]

00:41:47   you have on the internet are real really [TS]

00:41:49   yeah that's what happens if you're in [TS]

00:41:51   the minority is like it within your town [TS]

00:41:55   you're not going to find the people and [TS]

00:41:56   the only way for you to find mr. mortu [TS]

00:41:58   sparks is not enough of us and so it's [TS]

00:42:00   like why do you have internet friends [TS]

00:42:02   because i'm making me something you [TS]

00:42:04   don't because because I'm different [TS]

00:42:06   another from the norm that I can't find [TS]

00:42:08   my odds of finding someone like me close [TS]

00:42:10   by or so much lower than yours and it's [TS]

00:42:12   not so much that I'm choosing to do use [TS]

00:42:14   computer interaction instead of regular [TS]

00:42:15   interaction is just like it's harder for [TS]

00:42:18   me to find someone I get along with and [TS]

00:42:19   I'm forced to because they are far for [TS]

00:42:21   me use his computer is not as if I'm i [TS]

00:42:23   have the option of having lots of lost [TS]

00:42:25   local friends who are the same as this [TS]

00:42:26   and I choose instead to talk to the [TS]

00:42:27   computer system anti-socials like no [TS]

00:42:29   it's the only too far away are aware its [TS]

00:42:31   these are my people and they just happen [TS]

00:42:33   to live in different places like my [TS]

00:42:34   parents are very accepting but they were [TS]

00:42:36   still very worried about me and like in [TS]

00:42:38   middle school and early high school or [TS]

00:42:40   slightly should have been around 24 your [TS]

00:42:42   mind [TS]

00:42:43   it is well but no like some more [TS]

00:42:45   experience to you [TS]

00:42:46   yeah my um my first boyfriend was [TS]

00:42:48   somebody who I like dated online were [TS]

00:42:52   like met in person then dated [TS]

00:42:53   long-distance for a little bit because [TS]

00:42:55   it wasn't even so much about like the [TS]

00:42:56   physical connection or the kissing or [TS]

00:42:58   any of that it was oh this is somebody [TS]

00:43:00   who understands me and like we like the [TS]

00:43:03   same things and this is what matters [TS]

00:43:04   there was like not having those people [TS]

00:43:06   who live near you [TS]

00:43:07   exactly it's like that if if I wanted to [TS]

00:43:09   date like Los Angelenos jerks and jocks [TS]

00:43:12   then sure but I didn't like all they [TS]

00:43:15   they want to call my mother [TS]

00:43:16   they wanted one thing and I was like [TS]

00:43:18   that's I'd I wanted to talk about like [TS]

00:43:20   jet engines and computers & and talking [TS]

00:43:23   like you're with your [TS]

00:43:24   twenty-four-year-old online sharing [TS]

00:43:26   don't say that anymore my parents would [TS]

00:43:28   say the same thing about the running one [TS]

00:43:29   thing whenever he's go we should bring [TS]

00:43:31   it back ok great daughters I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:43:34   gonna bring not tell me one of those [TS]

00:43:35   points only want one thing and yeah man [TS]

00:43:38   ever tell you want to talk about Star [TS]

00:43:39   Wars means you play minecraft [TS]

00:43:42   yeah do I don't it was so hard to [TS]

00:43:46   explain to my parents about about the [TS]

00:43:49   friends that I had online and then [TS]

00:43:50   finally I think when I when I finally [TS]

00:43:53   like started having friends who were in [TS]

00:43:56   the same place in like college and then [TS]

00:43:58   brought them to like to hear my friends [TS]

00:44:00   from college and for the people who like [TS]

00:44:02   here's a friend that I've had for fresh [TS]

00:44:04   well you're not everybody has really [TS]

00:44:06   friendly yeah man but that's what [TS]

00:44:08   college fills that role the college you [TS]

00:44:10   still like yes in your little town [TS]

00:44:11   you're not going to find people made [TS]

00:44:13   especially if you if your thing is like [TS]

00:44:14   your academics or whatever your college [TS]

00:44:16   your odds of finding someone who's like [TS]

00:44:18   you go up so much and there and there in [TS]

00:44:20   person right and so it's like it mean I [TS]

00:44:23   don't like distribution water people [TS]

00:44:25   most like a bell curve right and if [TS]

00:44:26   you're not in the middle of that bell [TS]

00:44:27   curve you you know you have to go at [TS]

00:44:30   like you have to go someplace with a [TS]

00:44:31   bell curve is different now you're in [TS]

00:44:32   college and a lot of people who are in [TS]

00:44:34   the middle of the governing the college [TS]

00:44:35   and release it used to be and so you'd [TS]

00:44:37   find out where the jocks we could beat [TS]

00:44:39   up the nerve right everything but the [TS]

00:44:41   computer is the great equalizer can [TS]

00:44:42   bring everybody together it's like they [TS]

00:44:43   see it as you are afraid of human [TS]

00:44:45   interaction you don't want you don't [TS]

00:44:47   know how to make friends locally or [TS]

00:44:48   whatever it's just like it's just a [TS]

00:44:49   simple matter of math and population [TS]

00:44:51   density was also supply and demand yeah [TS]

00:44:53   all rights hanging out in the right [TS]

00:44:54   circles like Li had plenty of population [TS]

00:44:57   density but when you're going to a [TS]

00:44:58   private school whose emphasis was on [TS]

00:45:01   like short skirts and wearing lipstick [TS]

00:45:04   as a 12 year olds like that's what's [TS]

00:45:06   cool is that [TS]

00:45:07   yeah I need to send packages I'm now the [TS]

00:45:12   population density and like what is the [TS]

00:45:14   density of nerds well your honor and [TS]

00:45:16   they're just they're spread to sparsely [TS]

00:45:17   even if you're in Los Angeles is just [TS]

00:45:19   too too sparse well exactly it's like [TS]

00:45:21   that the likelihood that you're going to [TS]

00:45:23   have the a good portion of nerds who are [TS]

00:45:25   the same kind of nerds you in the same [TS]

00:45:27   space is very limited [TS]

00:45:29   whereas with college your are you on [TS]

00:45:31   your way up [TS]

00:45:32   you're picking something in the same [TS]

00:45:34   area right you're picking your all [TS]

00:45:35   picking different or the same kind of [TS]

00:45:38   idea of a college and then from there it [TS]

00:45:41   just goes on and you get to and Jason's [TS]

00:45:44   cracks about me and I deserved an image [TS]

00:45:46   is going through his head but I sides we [TS]

00:45:47   did not have the school with the short [TS]

00:45:49   skirts a little chicken that's in my [TS]

00:45:51   town and I've got a major or is there [TS]

00:45:54   left out no that's just what kids in [TS]

00:45:56   1999 did because Britney Spears was [TS]

00:45:58   doing it Ned that was cool like em what [TS]

00:46:02   I see I see it wasn't i was inspired to [TS]

00:46:04   happen very strict private school where [TS]

00:46:07   the dress code involved short skirts and [TS]

00:46:09   lipstick and your underwear and [TS]

00:46:10   everything like a thirteen-year-old wet [TS]

00:46:13   ok that's fine i was in the population [TS]

00:46:16   anything I I wonder about if there's an [TS]

00:46:18   element of that it's still like if those [TS]

00:46:22   people aren't there but they're just [TS]

00:46:23   they're afraid right like there-there is [TS]

00:46:25   activated sectors they are dominated [TS]

00:46:27   like that sometimes you do find HR like [TS]

00:46:29   you and one other guy find each other [TS]

00:46:30   and then but you have to keep the secret [TS]

00:46:31   because you'll do the bus like it's like [TS]

00:46:33   you see an ironic internet t-shirt [TS]

00:46:35   across the parking lot like a long that [TS]

00:46:37   they're experiencing I'm thinking of is [TS]

00:46:39   I'm thinking the experience the the the [TS]

00:46:42   freaks and geeks D&D stuff with James [TS]

00:46:44   Franco Franco and I like did you ever [TS]

00:46:46   have that experience of like meeting [TS]

00:46:47   someone who is totally dissimilar but [TS]

00:46:49   like actually like the the jocks who are [TS]

00:46:52   closet nerd like me i had I totally had [TS]

00:46:54   that experience there are a couple guys [TS]

00:46:56   I knew we used to so like you know my [TS]

00:46:58   friends and i played a bunch of ultimate [TS]

00:46:59   frisbee high school will be out in the [TS]

00:47:00   courtyard throwing frisbee but there are [TS]

00:47:01   a couple guys who actually would come by [TS]

00:47:03   and we're like in some ways like [TS]

00:47:05   protectors in that they were the older [TS]

00:47:06   kid [TS]

00:47:07   kids but they're like yeah that's cool [TS]

00:47:08   and like they would they would keep you [TS]

00:47:11   from getting like beat up basically I [TS]

00:47:12   don't want to i want I don't want to [TS]

00:47:14   turn this into a requiem for the jocks [TS]

00:47:15   but think about how sad is what we're [TS]

00:47:18   talking about oh you know we had these [TS]

00:47:19   things we were enthusiastic about and it [TS]

00:47:21   made us sort of ostracize and it was [TS]

00:47:22   hard to find people who are like this [TS]

00:47:24   but fault follow me here [TS]

00:47:26   imagine you're somebody who likes that [TS]

00:47:28   stuff but is not confident enough to say [TS]

00:47:32   you like we're not encouraged and ends [TS]

00:47:34   up in a position where you're not the [TS]

00:47:36   nerd in little group that's playing dnd [TS]

00:47:38   your the popular person who has already [TS]

00:47:42   put down your childish things and is [TS]

00:47:44   looking over there going me and I really [TS]

00:47:46   like to place in dungeons and dragons [TS]

00:47:48   and yet is like off on this office hours [TS]

00:47:51   and you're not making me feel so does [TS]

00:47:52   well no I mean I think I could feel [TS]

00:47:54   something I think there are people who [TS]

00:47:55   would really love that stuff [TS]

00:47:57   who never ever dared am running can be [TS]

00:48:00   something they got happy that's what [TS]

00:48:01   happens in middle school you make that [TS]

00:48:03   choice what kind of what kind of person [TS]

00:48:04   you're going to be and somewhat defined [TS]

00:48:06   to make the choice of saying you know [TS]

00:48:07   what I know nobody does is it's not [TS]

00:48:09   making a popular but i like you have to [TS]

00:48:11   be obstinate about it and some people if [TS]

00:48:13   people who feel like I have a choice [TS]

00:48:14   here I could go with those popular [TS]

00:48:16   people i could not and the i know a lot [TS]

00:48:17   of people yes they do make that choice [TS]

00:48:19   to say I'm going to leave that behind [TS]

00:48:20   and but I feel like those people don't [TS]

00:48:23   spend a lot of time regretting and they [TS]

00:48:24   just never look back and feel like this [TS]

00:48:25   is the person i'm going to blow up [TS]

00:48:27   because they can't miss they have the [TS]

00:48:28   option because they're good-looking [TS]

00:48:29   enough because they're coordinated [TS]

00:48:30   enough because they are personable [TS]

00:48:31   enough that they have the option and [TS]

00:48:33   they feel like if I just cut this part [TS]

00:48:35   out and the other thing is if you're [TS]

00:48:36   super popular and super smart and super [TS]

00:48:39   good-looking you can be in both you can [TS]

00:48:41   average American normal ever question [TS]

00:48:43   you because you were the most popular [TS]

00:48:44   answer and we definitely we had you know [TS]

00:48:46   we definitely had that was you it was me [TS]

00:48:48   and that's Jimmy and James Franco I like [TS]

00:48:50   we have seen from my school were tense [TS]

00:48:52   right now it comes down to confidence [TS]

00:48:54   and being a sure of yourself and I don't [TS]

00:48:56   think if that really happens if there's [TS]

00:48:57   people there's get confidence though [TS]

00:48:59   that's the thing is that i think there [TS]

00:49:00   is a fundamental thing about people who [TS]

00:49:02   are liking these on popular things that [TS]

00:49:04   they still do them and some of those [TS]

00:49:06   people have no ability to understand [TS]

00:49:10   what they're doing what they're doing it [TS]

00:49:12   just like this thing I'm just really [TS]

00:49:13   excited about it and everything else is [TS]

00:49:14   like what do you have [TS]

00:49:15   the autistic single but then there are [TS]

00:49:18   other people who are like you know i [TS]

00:49:20   love it i don't care i mean you guys [TS]

00:49:22   don't like it I don't care i love it and [TS]

00:49:23   that there is sometimes you get some [TS]

00:49:25   confidence and it's like this is who I [TS]

00:49:27   am [TS]

00:49:27   yes what I like thanks a lot of time [TS]

00:49:29   just because a lot better but you're [TS]

00:49:30   right you're great friends right you get [TS]

00:49:32   takes your time but it takes a long time [TS]

00:49:34   is like a special just because you feel [TS]

00:49:35   like you're going that direction because [TS]

00:49:36   look at you say i don't have the option [TS]

00:49:38   to go the other one I'm never going to [TS]

00:49:39   be coordinated and I'm never gonna be [TS]

00:49:41   good like you're never going to be [TS]

00:49:42   popular and so it's so much easier to [TS]

00:49:43   make the decision well I guess this is [TS]

00:49:44   my thing then you stopped for whatever [TS]

00:49:46   but you never spent and you're like well [TS]

00:49:48   I might as well throw myself into it and [TS]

00:49:49   you're aware of what's happening you're [TS]

00:49:50   aware that there has been a fork in the [TS]

00:49:52   road but your consolation prizes like [TS]

00:49:54   well I got to do the thing that I like [TS]

00:49:56   time for a brief break for one of our [TS]

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00:51:45   it's here because i feel like as a kid I [TS]

00:51:47   got beat up way more for being like the [TS]

00:51:49   chubby little kid rather than because of [TS]

00:51:50   what anything that was interested in [TS]

00:51:52   like I feel like I was just like a [TS]

00:51:53   target that could run that you got me a [TS]

00:51:55   little water for the boys to be more [TS]

00:51:57   nuanced yeah they didn't really get into [TS]

00:52:00   the new odds they've been going for [TS]

00:52:01   their pretty much i'm getting beat up [TS]

00:52:03   offa your childhood and elementary is [TS]

00:52:05   elementary schools elementary school was [TS]

00:52:08   not that [TS]

00:52:09   yeah elementary school and what about [TS]

00:52:11   all the problems early [TS]

00:52:13   yeah then you went to the like happy oh [TS]

00:52:14   yeah I went off and left the elementary [TS]

00:52:16   school where I had like some friends but [TS]

00:52:17   like generally felt like you know i'm [TS]

00:52:19   the nerd who reads a lot that's the guy [TS]

00:52:21   who I am to a school where it turned out [TS]

00:52:23   there were a lot of other people who [TS]

00:52:24   also read a lot and read comic books and [TS]

00:52:26   like games you could sit near each other [TS]

00:52:28   and read silently to yourself [TS]

00:52:30   essentially so i wanted to mention [TS]

00:52:31   something about we talk about online [TS]

00:52:33   relationships and friendships earlier [TS]

00:52:35   and i wanted to mention this my first [TS]

00:52:37   relationship by the way was also online [TS]

00:52:38   and all i guess i can put a link in the [TS]

00:52:40   show notes because i really think about [TS]

00:52:41   it for the magazine but I feel like [TS]

00:52:44   we're that is a generational thing that [TS]

00:52:46   is still happening that this reality of [TS]

00:52:50   your friends on the internet vs your [TS]

00:52:51   friends in real life and and i suspect [TS]

00:52:55   that maybe people of like our kids [TS]

00:52:57   generation will not will not see as big [TS]

00:53:01   of a difference may stick mummy like [TS]

00:53:03   pressure but from the parent respective [TS]

00:53:05   I think there is still a factor there [TS]

00:53:07   because like it disagrees you're not [TS]

00:53:08   gonna you're not gonna say like oh it's [TS]

00:53:09   because my child's nitrates be in person [TS]

00:53:11   but you do want to know things that you [TS]

00:53:13   can't know when you can meet their [TS]

00:53:14   friends right that from a parenting [TS]

00:53:16   perspective it's not as if I think oh [TS]

00:53:17   you shouldn't be making friends in [TS]

00:53:19   because they're not real friends just as [TS]

00:53:20   an information for it that needs is [TS]

00:53:22   gentle kind of people these are on this [TS]

00:53:23   is actually like a 50 year old man but [TS]

00:53:25   they are real friends and it's not the [TS]

00:53:27   online doesn't make them not real and i [TS]

00:53:28   say that because i have if I think about [TS]

00:53:32   my friends in my town who are largely [TS]

00:53:35   parents of kids at my kids school I I i [TS]

00:53:39   have a bunch of them that I like a lot [TS]

00:53:41   but the [TS]

00:53:43   it is the things that they are [TS]

00:53:44   interested in and the things that I am [TS]

00:53:46   interested in a intersect in very small [TS]

00:53:49   I mean there's the other sports that [TS]

00:53:50   there's that there's I got some sports [TS]

00:53:52   there's the nice there's a nice woman [TS]

00:53:53   who I can talk about eighties movies and [TS]

00:53:55   eighties music with you like her John [TS]

00:53:57   that that's a good one we have that one [TS]

00:53:59   that would be a good dinner party but uh [TS]

00:54:01   but it's not i mean we got our kids your [TS]

00:54:04   kids is what the main but because any [TS]

00:54:07   and then they asked about like Oh what [TS]

00:54:09   you know what do you do is your hobbies [TS]

00:54:11   and what and what do you what's this [TS]

00:54:13   podcast i hear about and all that and [TS]

00:54:15   it's this gaping the way you feel like [TS]

00:54:17   the field they feel like I mean I never [TS]

00:54:19   bring this up and we're meeting like [TS]

00:54:21   friends of you know our parents of my [TS]

00:54:22   kids friends or whatever [TS]

00:54:24   my wife will frequently bring up like Oh [TS]

00:54:26   and John does the podcast or whatever [TS]

00:54:27   and I'm I'm loath to bring it up good [TS]

00:54:29   cricket sound effect because it's [TS]

00:54:31   because you don't like explain but it's [TS]

00:54:33   like it's maybe it's bad or its people [TS]

00:54:35   like you just you just have the [TS]

00:54:35   expectation that there's not gonna be [TS]

00:54:37   any common ground there and that's why [TS]

00:54:38   like why not even bring it up and then [TS]

00:54:40   you'll feel like sometimes they want to [TS]

00:54:42   know about it and you try to explain it [TS]

00:54:44   and like they don't know what you're [TS]

00:54:45   talking about and it doesn't make any [TS]

00:54:46   sense of them and they tried to be [TS]

00:54:47   polite and or whatever and like you [TS]

00:54:49   still feel a little bit that distance [TS]

00:54:51   even stopped because again it comes down [TS]

00:54:52   to a population density how many people [TS]

00:54:54   like you are there near you and that the [TS]

00:54:55   number is low you just assume that [TS]

00:54:57   everyone you meet will not be like you [TS]

00:54:58   and I think it an adult's I think it's [TS]

00:55:00   more in hiding because I bet their [TS]

00:55:01   friends that but their parents of kids [TS]

00:55:03   in in my kids school who are into geeky [TS]

00:55:06   things that I don't bring them up to [TS]

00:55:08   them they'll bring opens tonight you [TS]

00:55:10   people at a party [TS]

00:55:11   yeah I'm not knocking about don't forget [TS]

00:55:13   again it's the love that dare not speak [TS]

00:55:14   its right yeah and that's not in a bad [TS]

00:55:17   way but it's like you just assume you [TS]

00:55:18   just assume that everyone around you [TS]

00:55:20   physically right [TS]

00:55:21   hey anybody here want to talk about [TS]

00:55:22   video games no alright alright I'll see [TS]

00:55:25   myself occasionally you'll accidentally [TS]

00:55:26   discover one where you make it off and [TS]

00:55:28   comment and the latch onto and then you [TS]

00:55:29   like all where we did find each other [TS]

00:55:31   that like you know that we do happen to [TS]

00:55:32   also whatever you soon it's interesting [TS]

00:55:34   because the opportunity like has gone up [TS]

00:55:36   though it's like you go to a party right [TS]

00:55:37   and it's like somebody's like looking at [TS]

00:55:39   the phone LOL we played over my candy [TS]

00:55:41   crush's like it you don't like it and [TS]

00:55:43   there's always you played this game but [TS]

00:55:44   there's there's a there's an entry point [TS]

00:55:45   because the internet is not for pockets [TS]

00:55:48   now [TS]

00:55:48   yeah but I you know it's interesting I [TS]

00:55:50   don't from one reason I've another i was [TS]

00:55:52   thinkin you mentioned like you know you [TS]

00:55:54   parents of your kids friends as a good [TS]

00:55:58   when i was a kid i assume that like [TS]

00:55:59   because I was friends with somebody our [TS]

00:56:01   parents had to be friends look there's a [TS]

00:56:03   letter yesterday Lucien see the weird [TS]

00:56:05   kid room but I you know I feel like I'm [TS]

00:56:08   not in the same circles I don't have you [TS]

00:56:10   know not having kids I don't have that [TS]

00:56:11   interaction but I do run into people [TS]

00:56:13   water like end up at pipes social [TS]

00:56:16   functions or whatever with people who I [TS]

00:56:18   don't think have any commonalities but I [TS]

00:56:21   end up talking about it a lot anyways [TS]

00:56:23   because because you have because you [TS]

00:56:24   have a mutant middle school where you [TS]

00:56:26   have nothing else to talk about you [TS]

00:56:27   didn't get your fresh people ask what I [TS]

00:56:29   do for a living and I got tech writer [TS]

00:56:30   and they're like oh yeah I like this app [TS]

00:56:32   or whatever you know people there is a [TS]

00:56:34   commonality is much more accepted writer [TS]

00:56:36   is easier to explain then like i play [TS]

00:56:38   video games and have a podcast about [TS]

00:56:40   like just my one of my son's you don't [TS]

00:56:42   know my son's best friend his dad is is [TS]

00:56:44   a is a designer and I knew who I was [TS]

00:56:48   which was kind of funny but it ended up [TS]

00:56:50   being we talked about like what podcast [TS]

00:56:52   you listen to and did you see this app [TS]

00:56:54   and all that and we can talk about that [TS]

00:56:55   that's that's good but i I've yet to [TS]

00:56:58   idea to meet somebody who's like you [TS]

00:57:00   know what sci-fi novel should I read [TS]

00:57:02   next right it's like it said well it [TS]

00:57:04   only happens your favorite doctor yeah [TS]

00:57:06   yeah well yea or nay our neighbors are [TS]

00:57:08   very much we can do that one [TS]

00:57:09   the key is the internet friend thing is [TS]

00:57:12   interesting because obviously we all [TS]

00:57:13   spend a lot of time on Twitter and other [TS]

00:57:15   social networking thing and I was like [TS]

00:57:18   okay so we have a podcast where we talk [TS]

00:57:20   to our house about this stuff and summer [TS]

00:57:22   we met on the internet we are at and we [TS]

00:57:24   are in very faraway lands right each [TS]

00:57:26   other right but the internet thing I [TS]

00:57:27   think with like social networking [TS]

00:57:29   especially on Twitter like I there's [TS]

00:57:30   definitely a lot of times where i have [TS]

00:57:32   started following some on twitter that i [TS]

00:57:33   did not know personally and then have [TS]

00:57:35   meds right like and you become friends [TS]

00:57:38   from the internet until I matches my [TS]

00:57:40   skin like it in some ways my job through [TS]

00:57:42   the internet you like it it happens and [TS]

00:57:45   the other thing at least for me I mean [TS]

00:57:47   Dan you may have had a dilek middle [TS]

00:57:49   school but for me like for me even gonna [TS]

00:57:52   be dinner plate just come on I have my [TS]

00:57:55   lunch money taken never gonna forgive [TS]

00:57:57   you now her happy childhood but um even [TS]

00:58:00   you know even in high school [TS]

00:58:02   nice a day sir in high [TS]

00:58:06   well in college you know even though i [TS]

00:58:07   was with a bunch of people who like I [TS]

00:58:09   was like they're cool they're real [TS]

00:58:11   people like they're they're people who [TS]

00:58:12   like the things that I like they're [TS]

00:58:15   still like a super nervousness about it [TS]

00:58:18   right you don't want to you don't want [TS]

00:58:19   to alienate the people who are awesome [TS]

00:58:21   and you still get a look a little bit of [TS]

00:58:23   of self-consciousness about it and I [TS]

00:58:27   don't know whether it's just getting [TS]

00:58:28   older or what but a few years ago I just [TS]

00:58:31   kind of I was like you know what effort [TS]

00:58:34   like yeah the just I I stopped caring [TS]

00:58:39   about how like I I knew who i was at [TS]

00:58:42   that point or at least I just kind of [TS]

00:58:43   figured out who I was or who I wanted to [TS]

00:58:45   present myself as publicly to people and [TS]

00:58:49   I just kind of went with that and I'm [TS]

00:58:50   just like hi I'm serenity I like this [TS]

00:58:53   stuff i do this stuff i play roller [TS]

00:58:55   derby and it's like I'm you know what it [TS]

00:58:57   was but every time you meet someone new [TS]

00:58:59   and really kind of want her to die [TS]

00:59:02   it's just laying in a lot midnight you [TS]

00:59:04   know what it is i think i think i [TS]

00:59:05   learned that i absolutely hate small [TS]

00:59:08   talk with like an undying passion of a [TS]

00:59:10   thousand suns so i would much rather [TS]

00:59:12   dying sunday right i should immediately [TS]

00:59:14   repel them with your weirdness and [TS]

00:59:17   robbery I would rather die or I drop a [TS]

00:59:20   lot of conversation topics and I'm like [TS]

00:59:22   all right you know what I just like to [TS]

00:59:24   idea I it's like little beacon it's like [TS]

00:59:26   you dislike since you dating for friends [TS]

00:59:29   to talk about babies work for you know [TS]

00:59:31   if not then make sure you will be [TS]

00:59:33   talking yeah exactly it's like i can [TS]

00:59:35   talk about the weather for all I want [TS]

00:59:37   but it's just it's not interesting money [TS]

00:59:39   at some point if you're very if you're [TS]

00:59:40   fortunate in having a little self [TS]

00:59:42   analysis at some point you realize who [TS]

00:59:44   you are and who you like and that you're [TS]

00:59:46   gonna be that person and I think when [TS]

00:59:48   you're an adolescent there's a lot of [TS]

00:59:50   questions like who am i to i want to be [TS]

00:59:52   that person yeah can I have not enjoy [TS]

00:59:54   have an option to be this right so I [TS]

00:59:56   better try that have also with TARDIS [TS]

00:59:58   may be cool baby [TS]

00:59:58   may be cool baby [TS]

01:00:00   oh ok nevermind nevermind so the great [TS]

01:00:02   right but at some point you're like this [TS]

01:00:04   is who I am and I want to talk to people [TS]

01:00:06   who will accept me for who I am and [TS]

01:00:08   that's a big step [TS]

01:00:11   the end and it has ramifications because [TS]

01:00:13   that means that they're gonna be some [TS]

01:00:14   people who are like yeah you seem [TS]

01:00:16   perfectly nice but we have nothing in [TS]

01:00:17   common and then there's definitely ways [TS]

01:00:19   to go with the rent was saying like once [TS]

01:00:21   you decide that she could say oh I could [TS]

01:00:22   I could lay these things out they hear [TS]

01:00:23   things that I'm interested in are you [TS]

01:00:25   interested in that and like war where [TS]

01:00:26   I'm coming from is the even more timid [TS]

01:00:28   side is where my immediate assumption is [TS]

01:00:30   there's nothing even white there's [TS]

01:00:31   nothing i'm interested in that you're [TS]

01:00:33   gonna be interested in you just assume [TS]

01:00:34   that about everybody looking for my PTSD [TS]

01:00:36   job know there was a good little bit [TS]

01:00:38   full last night [TS]

01:00:39   we're at the talk show party right you [TS]

01:00:41   guys are on stage and I'm talking to to [TS]

01:00:44   jesse char and and Amy Gruber walks by [TS]

01:00:47   and I mentioned something about roller [TS]

01:00:49   derby and she turned around she's like [TS]

01:00:50   roller derby you know that was you know [TS]

01:00:52   that was part of my midlife crisis I was [TS]

01:00:54   deciding whether to get a tattoo or join [TS]

01:00:55   a roller derby team and I was like the [TS]

01:00:58   things that you'd never know from people [TS]

01:01:00   right you can but she would not have [TS]

01:01:01   offered that outfit has a story to [TS]

01:01:03   someone because it in the circles of [TS]

01:01:04   nerd she's not like this is not a roller [TS]

01:01:06   derby crowd know exactly why would I [TS]

01:01:08   talk about only it's probably because [TS]

01:01:09   she heard it from you going by exactly [TS]

01:01:12   that's the whole thing like if you if [TS]

01:01:13   you if you think like given given a [TS]

01:01:16   random person United States what are the [TS]

01:01:17   odds they share any interest with you if [TS]

01:01:18   you think that's really super low it [TS]

01:01:20   like you feel like you need you don't [TS]

01:01:23   have an in with anybody and you feel [TS]

01:01:24   like you need some you need to see them [TS]

01:01:26   on the internet talking about and then [TS]

01:01:27   we can go over them or hear them at a [TS]

01:01:28   party going to go over them and like but [TS]

01:01:30   you're not gonna end and what you're [TS]

01:01:32   doing is saying like I'm going to lay [TS]

01:01:34   these things out there and you're [TS]

01:01:35   interested you're going to go away but [TS]

01:01:37   it means that you are interested [TS]

01:01:39   I'm not hiding the fact that I'm into [TS]

01:01:40   these things and I'm going and you're [TS]

01:01:41   going to him toward it's basically it's [TS]

01:01:43   basically dating no I basically it well [TS]

01:01:46   it's it's childhood mentality right when [TS]

01:01:49   you're five [TS]

01:01:50   you don't think in your head oh gosh [TS]

01:01:52   what if i say this and someone won't [TS]

01:01:53   like me it's just [TS]

01:01:55   hi I'm ren right look I like the color [TS]

01:01:57   blue one of my frog exactly look at my [TS]

01:01:59   father and then you dance on the [TS]

01:02:02   sidewalk so much easier that's exactly [TS]

01:02:04   and it's like as a girl with the girls [TS]

01:02:06   are ran from you that was a positive [TS]

01:02:07   result [TS]

01:02:08   that's right i got a frog check him out [TS]

01:02:13   he's gross [TS]

01:02:14   I don't know it's not and is not to say [TS]

01:02:17   that I don't have like self-doubt and [TS]

01:02:18   and self-confidence issues sometimes but [TS]

01:02:21   it's just it's a I should just find it [TS]

01:02:23   so much easier to be able to be like [TS]

01:02:24   yeah this is what I like you know what I [TS]

01:02:27   have enough i have enough good friends [TS]

01:02:30   and I have people I care about and who [TS]

01:02:31   care about me that I'm not afraid that [TS]

01:02:33   if I you know hide myself i'm not going [TS]

01:02:36   to be able to like have friends [TS]

01:02:38   it's a context thing I mean because I [TS]

01:02:39   think about the most disparate group of [TS]

01:02:41   people that I interact with his i play [TS]

01:02:43   very frequently i play ultimate frisbee [TS]

01:02:44   and I playing a different i played on a [TS]

01:02:46   team that's different every season [TS]

01:02:47   ok rock yeah yeah the ultimate frisbee [TS]

01:02:50   jocks something never never called but [TS]

01:02:54   like I I you know I play essentially [TS]

01:02:56   like a pickup sport and you have [TS]

01:02:57   different team every season so I meet [TS]

01:02:59   new people every single season and [TS]

01:03:01   people want to know what do you do [TS]

01:03:02   whatever we go to the bar afterwards we [TS]

01:03:03   have a drink and invariably i find that [TS]

01:03:06   and part of that is because its ultimate [TS]

01:03:08   frisbee which is still a predominantly [TS]

01:03:09   nerd sport like almost everybody I talk [TS]

01:03:12   to is like a nerd in some way and number [TS]

01:03:15   of times that's devolved into [TS]

01:03:16   conversations about Doctor Who or the [TS]

01:03:20   Avengers or whatever like it's just in [TS]

01:03:23   because increasingly popular and maybe [TS]

01:03:24   that's a self-selecting sort of thing [TS]

01:03:26   but it's like when you're in the [TS]

01:03:27   computer lab in your college you just [TS]

01:03:29   come to anybody start talking to him [TS]

01:03:30   about you know nethack or whatever he [TS]

01:03:32   liked it i feel like i wandered in here [TS]

01:03:34   by mistake charge then it's not i just [TS]

01:03:36   try to print something you don't have to [TS]

01:03:38   print things because I don't know anyone [TS]

01:03:39   that has got like a random person from [TS]

01:03:41   the United States it's like in the [TS]

01:03:43   computer lab the odd that someone who [TS]

01:03:44   was also internet access this goes way [TS]

01:03:46   way up and then then then all of a [TS]

01:03:49   sudden the side of the people comes out [TS]

01:03:50   then they make their like other people [TS]

01:03:52   were the assumption of regular various [TS]

01:03:54   peoples that whoever I mean we're going [TS]

01:03:56   to share something in common and we have [TS]

01:03:57   something to talk about a lot of times [TS]

01:03:58   it's sports tourism you just assume like [TS]

01:04:00   you don't know how many times I've made [TS]

01:04:01   people in Boston who want to make small [TS]

01:04:03   talk with me about boston sports teams [TS]

01:04:04   and it's just so it's a side effect of [TS]

01:04:06   what it is it's like it it is like a [TS]

01:04:08   shock to their system to hear that [TS]

01:04:10   someone doesn't follow Boston sport [TS]

01:04:11   teams like the water I wear my red sox [TS]

01:04:13   had people ask me about red stuff all [TS]

01:04:15   the time in which we discussed earlier [TS]

01:04:16   tonight I was a casual fan I'm a casual [TS]

01:04:19   fan and so like sometimes doesn't [TS]

01:04:21   register for me and [TS]

01:04:22   someone made a comment to me the other [TS]

01:04:23   day I was in some place totally random [TS]

01:04:25   and they like point my hat or something [TS]

01:04:27   was like is too bad about it was the [TS]

01:04:29   doctor's office haha there's an older [TS]

01:04:31   gentleman on his way out he's like I you [TS]

01:04:33   must be pretty happy today and i was [TS]

01:04:34   like i'm still like the mental rolodex [TS]

01:04:37   only things like that you know about me [TS]

01:04:39   people say the same yeah but be really [TS]

01:04:41   excited I'm not wearing a red sox cap [TS]

01:04:43   people say the same things like that why [TS]

01:04:45   i couldn't believe like they don't even [TS]

01:04:46   say about that game like they're just [TS]

01:04:48   super happy they've been infiltrated may [TS]

01:04:50   just assume it's gonna be such a [TS]

01:04:51   connection I orgies last night right now [TS]

01:04:53   they don't know they don't even say a [TS]

01:04:55   player named they just like they just [TS]

01:04:56   feel like because their odds must be [TS]

01:04:58   like 97% was just an aerial sure [TS]

01:05:00   absolutely i'm workin fakin and like [TS]

01:05:03   which I am did I end up doing sorry did [TS]

01:05:05   you pull the green pajamas back I got [TS]

01:05:07   nothin for ya [TS]

01:05:08   what do you think i was curious yellow [TS]

01:05:09   card was like right this conversation I [TS]

01:05:12   brought to you by giant glass serbia [TS]

01:05:14   home at the houston area since its I get [TS]

01:05:17   that [TS]

01:05:17   yeah I well there's a guy i was curious [TS]

01:05:21   to know if you guys think that there's [TS]

01:05:22   an impact of of your your profession in [TS]

01:05:25   this because i was thinking back to your [TS]

01:05:27   talking about people like being [TS]

01:05:29   naturally gregarious and talking to [TS]

01:05:30   people like my first job was doing i.t [TS]

01:05:32   stuff and i worked at you know library [TS]

01:05:34   and I basically went around it like [TS]

01:05:36   hooked up people's computers fickle and [TS]

01:05:37   in that I was expected you know I talk [TS]

01:05:39   to people like I just constantly like I [TS]

01:05:41   was always going to their office helping [TS]

01:05:42   them with something and I feel like you [TS]

01:05:45   know there was certainly a social skills [TS]

01:05:47   that developed as part of that is like I [TS]

01:05:48   have to interact with people on a daily [TS]

01:05:50   basis and you know you're certainly more [TS]

01:05:53   willing to talk to people in that way [TS]

01:05:55   but I don't know if there's a an element [TS]

01:05:57   of that like what you end up doing has a [TS]

01:06:00   reflective of your it in my and my job [TS]

01:06:02   is a computer programmer but wouldn't [TS]

01:06:04   that a lot i'm not gonna be when I [TS]

01:06:05   worked in my entire career [TS]

01:06:07   I it's I don't know he's going to tell [TS]

01:06:09   you type for a little while and then you [TS]

01:06:10   go i'm in i don't know that something [TS]

01:06:12   like that like you would think okay so [TS]

01:06:14   like I said you're in the computer lab [TS]

01:06:15   if you're a computer programmer in your [TS]

01:06:16   room filled with computer programmers [TS]

01:06:18   you might assume that everybody around [TS]

01:06:20   you is like you and like I certainly [TS]

01:06:23   your odds go up that they're going to [TS]

01:06:24   share the interest with you or whatever [TS]

01:06:25   but like for example in the job that I [TS]

01:06:29   have now when I started you know talk to [TS]

01:06:31   people around me I was shocked to learn [TS]

01:06:33   at a certain point I did this [TS]

01:06:34   I got my confidence level is up with a [TS]

01:06:36   bunch of programmers write and our [TS]

01:06:37   program and I feel like everything John [TS]

01:06:39   your that program isn't anything that's [TS]

01:06:41   how it feels not to work anyways haha it [TS]

01:06:43   is certain point at a certain point I [TS]

01:06:45   said to the entire room after talking to [TS]

01:06:47   the person in my life and personal right [TS]

01:06:48   he was friendly with whatever if you [TS]

01:06:50   have heard of Jonathan Coulton this room [TS]

01:06:52   raise your hand and like one percent of [TS]

01:06:54   the hands come on and then you like I [TS]

01:06:56   really am alone like I'm a modest bro [TS]

01:06:59   like who you know think was a child like [TS]

01:07:02   me again because you think what you like [TS]

01:07:04   your computer for a marketer round but [TS]

01:07:06   what are you like super into computer [TS]

01:07:07   programming you go home and you read [TS]

01:07:08   logs about that are you just gonna go to [TS]

01:07:10   work and like what things are you doing [TS]

01:07:11   that a good thing is there's a diversity [TS]

01:07:13   you know like the guy who sits next to [TS]

01:07:15   me [TS]

01:07:15   his is on an ultimate frisbee team and I [TS]

01:07:17   think he might be thinking everyone here [TS]

01:07:18   plays ultimate and he might be shocked [TS]

01:07:20   to learn that even my probably know him [TS]

01:07:22   even my second is it but you are not [TS]

01:07:24   like me right and we do have common [TS]

01:07:26   ground but like even within even within [TS]

01:07:29   those circles like I mean I'm i'm in [TS]

01:07:31   that environment i'm confident enough to [TS]

01:07:32   be insulted by the fact these people [TS]

01:07:34   don't have an all-seeing seen all the [TS]

01:07:35   Star Wars movies and don't know Jonathan [TS]

01:07:37   Coulton is and you know all these things [TS]

01:07:39   like that I'm not assuming they're all [TS]

01:07:40   following at every Apple move you know [TS]

01:07:42   what i mean but like it it's me [TS]

01:07:44   something right and you know so that's [TS]

01:07:46   the difference you have anything in [TS]

01:07:47   common [TS]

01:07:48   it's the way it's the way that it's the [TS]

01:07:50   way the guy feels when they try to bring [TS]

01:07:51   up a sports thing to me and they're just [TS]

01:07:53   yeah you know insulted by the fact that [TS]

01:07:55   I would be living in the city and not [TS]

01:07:56   following orders are for someone even if [TS]

01:07:58   it's not insulted so what this comes [TS]

01:08:00   back to in so many different ways is [TS]

01:08:02   enthusiasm people have enthusiasm for [TS]

01:08:05   different things and you're trying to [TS]

01:08:06   find a common bond and a way to do it [TS]

01:08:08   and i would actually argue the people [TS]

01:08:09   who are who are are nerds people who are [TS]

01:08:12   geeky the thing that defines them in [TS]

01:08:14   some ways is enthusiasm sometimes kind [TS]

01:08:18   of out perhaps too much control every [TS]

01:08:20   time you say this i can't help but [TS]

01:08:21   picture robert de niro and the [TS]

01:08:23   intouchables talking about a man becomes [TS]

01:08:25   prominent he's expected to have [TS]

01:08:27   enthusiasm but it's really passion right [TS]

01:08:30   that's it sits cash was a theater person [TS]

01:08:34   would say yes [TS]

01:08:34   yeah this one more story is just like [TS]

01:08:38   when i when i went to to college my [TS]

01:08:41   college was like a graduate program for [TS]

01:08:43   undergraduate students and so everybody [TS]

01:08:45   was working on theses and junior thesis [TS]

01:08:47   season [TS]

01:08:47   senior theses and so whenever you go to [TS]

01:08:51   a party it would be like if you want to [TS]

01:08:53   dance pieces [TS]

01:08:54   no it's it's what are you working on and [TS]

01:08:56   it's like I knew I i was really good [TS]

01:08:58   friends with people in college who you [TS]

01:09:01   know they're there [TS]

01:09:02   major what they were concentrating on [TS]

01:09:04   was like genome therapy and and [TS]

01:09:08   splitting and cloning jeans and like but [TS]

01:09:11   they were able to talk we were able to [TS]

01:09:13   talk in the same language despite not [TS]

01:09:16   you don't entertain the same translation [TS]

01:09:18   you know but serious you know you can [TS]

01:09:21   understand obsession with the weird [TS]

01:09:23   thing exactly exactly washing with [TS]

01:09:25   passion or rather than and even if this [TS]

01:09:27   even if the language is work the same [TS]

01:09:29   yours talking about you get your shared [TS]

01:09:31   experience was we're both interested in [TS]

01:09:33   things that most people don't understand [TS]

01:09:34   exactly away the most people can't [TS]

01:09:36   relate to and even if we can't relate to [TS]

01:09:37   each other things we can relate to the [TS]

01:09:38   experience of being in other being it's [TS]

01:09:40   just things that other people are not [TS]

01:09:41   necessarily interested i mean i think [TS]

01:09:43   maybe we get back to the uncomfortable I [TS]

01:09:45   think that's why a lot of people wasn't [TS]

01:09:46   being comfortable can listen to it even [TS]

01:09:48   if they're not into comics your netbook [TS]

01:09:50   or even if you like it I don't read [TS]

01:09:52   comics at all but I like hearing you [TS]

01:09:53   guys talk enthusiastically about comps [TS]

01:09:54   because I'm enthusiastic about you know [TS]

01:09:56   doctor who or whatever something else [TS]

01:09:57   that you also talk about that also is [TS]

01:09:58   marginal and not commonly found and not [TS]

01:10:01   just interests like this everyone's into [TS]

01:10:02   everyone goes to see the Marvel movies [TS]

01:10:04   but you're really into a comment like it [TS]

01:10:07   celebrates there's commonalities tonight [TS]

01:10:09   and a comic book fan would say that I'm [TS]

01:10:10   not John that's actually lose gradation [TS]

01:10:12   why the combination of round one thing [TS]

01:10:14   is when i'm not into it so enthusiastic [TS]

01:10:16   about any subject that I would do a [TS]

01:10:18   whole podcast about it just doesn't [TS]

01:10:19   interact apparently i don't have that [TS]

01:10:21   happen anyway [TS]

01:10:22   oh you're right yeah yeah you're right [TS]

01:10:24   about that McNulty the enthusiasm thing [TS]

01:10:26   is interesting and what I mean there are [TS]

01:10:28   certain commonalities between those [TS]

01:10:29   types of things right like fantastic [TS]

01:10:31   elements or whatever things that go [TS]

01:10:33   beyond the what happens in the real [TS]

01:10:35   world you know there are certainly it's [TS]

01:10:37   easier there's like a gateway drug right [TS]

01:10:39   to it like if you're interested in this [TS]

01:10:40   thing you might be interested you may [TS]

01:10:41   also be interested in these other things [TS]

01:10:43   yeah but yeah I think yeah the [TS]

01:10:46   enthusiasm thing I think is a big part [TS]

01:10:47   of the artery right like the thing that [TS]

01:10:49   we never doubt about our gift shop and [TS]

01:10:51   inappropriate enthusiasts you too much [TS]

01:10:52   enthusiasm for thing that doesn't have [TS]

01:10:54   any bearing on your livelihood most of [TS]

01:10:56   the time unless your super enthusiastic [TS]

01:10:57   about it like I mean like anybody really [TS]

01:10:59   enthusiastic about things that bear on [TS]

01:11:01   there [TS]

01:11:01   livelihood I feel like that's like that [TS]

01:11:03   you have a mystic about Apple ya wear [TS]

01:11:07   that again I John what are you we are in [TS]

01:11:09   the small percentage i think of people [TS]

01:11:10   who are super enthusiastic about [TS]

01:11:11   something that happens to reverse the [TS]

01:11:14   overlap with what we do for about that [TS]

01:11:16   but there but that's what like when you [TS]

01:11:18   get into the mediums like all right we [TS]

01:11:20   all like to go to the movies we all go [TS]

01:11:21   see a fun movie or whatever but if [TS]

01:11:23   you're like super into movies and you [TS]

01:11:25   see every movie you think you might want [TS]

01:11:26   to make a movie some day you become a [TS]

01:11:28   marginal not because you're into movies [TS]

01:11:30   because it's inappropriate to them to [TS]

01:11:32   monitor and i am not to mind if it's [TS]

01:11:34   like will do you make movies for living [TS]

01:11:35   will know but i would like to yeah and [TS]

01:11:37   they don't have video stores anymore for [TS]

01:11:39   you to begin the the appropriate thing [TS]

01:11:41   for you to do is do you have a regular [TS]

01:11:43   job into regular things and go see fun [TS]

01:11:44   movies and not for you to be as [TS]

01:11:46   literally what my eye because my cousin [TS]

01:11:48   of my other cousins husband's rights [TS]

01:11:50   like reviews of movies and goes to like [TS]

01:11:51   you know a hundred movies here and like [TS]

01:11:53   he works in york city like Safeway not [TS]

01:11:56   like a girl like a a sales guy something [TS]

01:11:58   and like that's what does that you'd [TS]

01:12:00   that's his job his hobbies different [TS]

01:12:02   movies yeah so [TS]

01:12:04   and some people for some people they [TS]

01:12:05   they don't have that but i think there [TS]

01:12:08   are others who do you know in just a bit [TS]

01:12:10   depends on what you're doing with your [TS]

01:12:11   life that depends on how you how you [TS]

01:12:13   make your just like some people for me [TS]

01:12:15   like I know I couldn't I couldn't have a [TS]

01:12:17   job that I wasn't passionate about [TS]

01:12:19   because I would you know I would slack [TS]

01:12:21   off i would i would not be a good worker [TS]

01:12:23   and I've had those jobs [TS]

01:12:25   yeah they suck they suck they're not [TS]

01:12:27   worth doing one of my favorite comments [TS]

01:12:30   we've ever gotten about the podcast is I [TS]

01:12:33   think fits into this which is somebody [TS]

01:12:35   who and I and forgive me [TS]

01:12:37   mysterious rider because i don't [TS]

01:12:39   remember your name and I don't remember [TS]

01:12:40   your state i think maybe it was South [TS]

01:12:41   Dakota but it could be in Montana but it [TS]

01:12:43   was I leave her here in the middle of [TS]

01:12:45   nowhere or on the edge of nowhere in [TS]

01:12:47   Montana or Wyoming or some great plains [TS]

01:12:50   states it's far away and very cold and [TS]

01:12:52   doesn't have a lot of people and I will [TS]

01:12:54   go outside and i'm walking around and [TS]

01:12:56   listening to the podcast and I've got [TS]

01:12:59   I've got nobody around who shares my [TS]

01:13:00   interests and enthusiasm but when i [TS]

01:13:02   listen to the podcast I feel like I'm [TS]

01:13:05   with a group of friends who all like [TS]

01:13:07   these things and I'm part of it even [TS]

01:13:08   though I you know if either they can't [TS]

01:13:10   say anything there they just say things [TS]

01:13:11   that we ignore them and you [TS]

01:13:13   with the downside of the pocket but it's [TS]

01:13:15   that he loved mystery listener whoever [TS]

01:13:17   you are you're our friend text the end [TS]

01:13:19   makes me beds don't put on a jacket [TS]

01:13:21   about you'll catch your death of cold [TS]

01:13:22   out there you wouldn't want that but I i [TS]

01:13:25   like that and it speaks to being [TS]

01:13:27   enthusiastic and seeking other people [TS]

01:13:29   who have to share some of your [TS]

01:13:31   enthusiasms enjoying that people are [TS]

01:13:34   enthusiastic about things i do think [TS]

01:13:36   when you talk about passion that is part [TS]

01:13:38   of the appeal of discussions like this [TS]

01:13:40   is it's really fun to listen to somebody [TS]

01:13:44   who is excited about something and [TS]

01:13:47   genuinely loves it and is interested in [TS]

01:13:49   it because with our world is full of a [TS]

01:13:51   lot of cynicism and people who don't [TS]

01:13:53   like things and people who are are doing [TS]

01:13:56   things because they have to and it's [TS]

01:13:58   often frowned upon socially to be [TS]

01:14:00   enthusiastic and passionate about [TS]

01:14:02   something so i think that's an aspect of [TS]

01:14:05   it and I do think what we talked about [TS]

01:14:06   here about how we don't always find [TS]

01:14:09   those people around us and so you seek [TS]

01:14:11   them out and we've all sort of [TS]

01:14:12   interactive and met each other through a [TS]

01:14:14   lot of the tech circles found this [TS]

01:14:17   commonality which is more likely John [TS]

01:14:19   because of what we were running and now [TS]

01:14:21   we have this relationship with this [TS]

01:14:22   interesting amorphous group of people [TS]

01:14:24   you know that is done almost entirely [TS]

01:14:26   through skype because most of us don't [TS]

01:14:29   live in you three actually lived closer [TS]

01:14:31   to one another than almost anybody else [TS]

01:14:33   on the panel so I just I that comment [TS]

01:14:37   which I love seems to really touch a lot [TS]

01:14:39   of the the reasons why we do this the [TS]

01:14:41   reasons why people want to listen to it [TS]

01:14:42   and also sort of like the search that we [TS]

01:14:44   all kind of go through and in thinking [TS]

01:14:47   about this stuff [TS]

01:14:48   dan gave me a thumbs up i give you a [TS]

01:14:51   thumbs up because i don't see on the [TS]

01:14:52   internet when I was more than thumbs up [TS]

01:14:54   to like yeah that seems like a good wrap [TS]

01:14:55   up huh yeah yeah I was like it's a nice [TS]

01:14:59   it was a nice coda I felt like I think [TS]

01:15:01   so too [TS]

01:15:02   alright well they're there may be more [TS]

01:15:04   to this podcast so you should stay tuned [TS]

01:15:06   but i'm going to close out this segment [TS]

01:15:08   of the uncomfortable where we talked [TS]

01:15:10   about all sorts of very interesting [TS]

01:15:11   things and for something that I had no [TS]

01:15:12   idea how it's gonna go [TS]

01:15:13   I thought it would create so I want to [TS]

01:15:14   thank the people who helped make it be [TS]

01:15:16   great [TS]

01:15:17   dan morgan i am deeply disappointed in [TS]

01:15:20   your healthy middle school experience [TS]

01:15:22   you want the best part of it i have an [TS]

01:15:24   ongoing dnd group [TS]

01:15:26   these days with four players and one dm [TS]

01:15:28   of that group three of us have known [TS]

01:15:31   each other since high school for like [TS]

01:15:33   since middle school like the players and [TS]

01:15:35   RDM we've all known each other since [TS]

01:15:37   middle school we have one guy we have [TS]

01:15:39   met after that but like that I know it's [TS]

01:15:41   abnormal in an abnormal that guy's gonna [TS]

01:15:43   be the new guy forever [TS]

01:15:45   yes our key you know you're not [TS]

01:15:47   listening to this when you are going to [TS]

01:15:48   be the new guy forever ever [TS]

01:15:50   I also hear serenity caldwell who we [TS]

01:15:52   learned many things about we learned [TS]

01:15:54   that she posed as a as an adult [TS]

01:15:56   well she's statute of limitations are [TS]

01:15:58   offering around copa violent rhetoric [TS]

01:16:00   veterinary schools the best part yeah [TS]

01:16:02   everyone is the backstory rich baxter i [TS]

01:16:05   know of course you did in one in some [TS]

01:16:07   respects you are mainstream [TS]

01:16:08   stereotypical if you went to the you [TS]

01:16:12   went to the school with the strangest [TS]

01:16:13   middle school dress code ever and and [TS]

01:16:18   you are a person who has enthusiasm and [TS]

01:16:20   passion for things like radio theatre [TS]

01:16:23   and masks which is very would stay tuned [TS]

01:16:25   for the mask podcast it's coming there's [TS]

01:16:27   any what happened i will talk to you [TS]

01:16:29   every 10 officers and media Thank You [TS]

01:16:31   jr. is an untapped depth of knowledge [TS]

01:16:32   there that we need to know mine i know i [TS]

01:16:35   don't know how everybody wants to know [TS]

01:16:37   about we mind the radio every theater [TS]

01:16:39   the radio theatre part we mind so that's [TS]

01:16:42   how you gotta you gotta say saying is a [TS]

01:16:44   whole other vein that we need to get [TS]

01:16:45   into their masks maybe not good for [TS]

01:16:47   radio and i think the incomparable [TS]

01:16:48   puppet show will be coming to your [TS]

01:16:49   school your town soon so get ready [TS]

01:16:51   videocast it's the future [TS]

01:16:53   well alright public public cast mask [TS]

01:16:55   cast it's hard to say Mass cast will [TS]

01:16:58   have been working on this work on it and [TS]

01:17:00   of course it's always a pleasure to be [TS]

01:17:02   in the same room even it's a little [TS]

01:17:03   buddy hot cramped room with John [TS]

01:17:05   siracusa thank you [TS]

01:17:07   I thought we didn't leave room for [TS]

01:17:09   anybody else and I thought this is that [TS]

01:17:10   we just fill the whole show 200 you [TS]

01:17:12   saying you're gonna try to put other [TS]

01:17:13   people and I think it will have I'm [TS]

01:17:15   trying to put some special like maybe [TS]

01:17:17   even some listener related stuff at the [TS]

01:17:19   end just for kicks alright I just didn't [TS]

01:17:21   feel like we didn't fill it up with that [TS]

01:17:23   we don't know this is not john had a [TS]

01:17:25   podcast is fill it up way that episode [TS]

01:17:28   200 were a normally sized episode this [TS]

01:17:31   would be the whole episode but I think [TS]

01:17:32   maybe they'll be some other stuff [TS]

01:17:35   size matters not yeah that's right it's [TS]

01:17:38   blue [TS]

01:17:38   it costs twice as much too so I got your [TS]

01:17:41   star wars references I I know you're you [TS]

01:17:43   know live long i sized live long and [TS]

01:17:45   prosper about you should not and as the [TS]

01:17:48   first I good yeah that's right words i [TS]

01:17:52   played dice baseball the only way to end [TS]

01:17:56   this body out nerd yes and that's the [TS]

01:17:59   sends this segment of this episode [TS]

01:18:13   Mr Dan Benjamin you know there's been [TS]

01:18:18   this i don't know if you know this [TS]

01:18:19   there's been this wacky podcast on your [TS]

01:18:22   on your network 444 odd weeks now don't [TS]

01:18:27   know if you you you saw it but uh but [TS]

01:18:30   I've been like taking over your [TS]

01:18:31   your-your-your networking your bandwidth [TS]

01:18:33   and posting this crazy thing on the [TS]

01:18:35   weekends for a while no I love it we [TS]

01:18:37   didn't I love having it and I remember [TS]

01:18:40   when we first talked about it it's just [TS]

01:18:42   it's such a great show and it's such a [TS]

01:18:43   unique show and there's no other show [TS]

01:18:45   like it not just you know that shows on [TS]

01:18:49   five by five but in general it's it's [TS]

01:18:50   it's such a weird cool concept for a [TS]

01:18:55   show that I think resonates so well with [TS]

01:18:57   not just its audience but the the [TS]

01:19:00   audience of geeks as a whole because you [TS]

01:19:02   guys are are completely unafraid to do [TS]

01:19:05   all of the geeky stuff that maybe they [TS]

01:19:07   got us picked on when we were kids and I [TS]

01:19:09   think that's the part of it did is so [TS]

01:19:11   great is it you you are so happy about [TS]

01:19:15   that the fact that these things can be [TS]

01:19:17   cool now because nobody cares and [TS]

01:19:19   everybody is kind of open to liking them [TS]

01:19:21   do you know what I mean like that that's [TS]

01:19:22   at the center of the show to me is that [TS]

01:19:25   let's just do this stuff that we think [TS]

01:19:27   is cool and and guess what we're gonna [TS]

01:19:29   find [TS]

01:19:30   yeah you know I think you hit it right [TS]

01:19:32   on the head there that data this is [TS]

01:19:34   totally embracing the stuff that would [TS]

01:19:36   have gotten us or did get our said yeah [TS]

01:19:38   unfortunately picked on and dance like [TS]

01:19:41   no no I'm gonna that's actually the menu [TS]

01:19:44   haven't even heard this but earlier in [TS]

01:19:46   this very episode we talked about this a [TS]

01:19:47   little bit and it's just definitely true [TS]

01:19:49   that this is this is a sort of like it [TS]

01:19:51   embracing our enthusiasm for this stuff [TS]

01:19:53   and not being you know not not putting [TS]

01:19:56   it away and saying well networked [TS]

01:19:57   grown-ups we're going to be serious and [TS]

01:19:58   we're not going to like this stuff right [TS]

01:20:00   and you guys do on the that on your on [TS]

01:20:02   your website on some of the other shows [TS]

01:20:03   you do you do these you're like you're [TS]

01:20:05   playing you're playing video games and [TS]

01:20:08   you're playing role playing games and [TS]

01:20:09   everyone else could just like hang out [TS]

01:20:11   and watch and like it sounds weird but [TS]

01:20:14   you couldn't have done this five years [TS]

01:20:16   ago 10 years ago you know totally true [TS]

01:20:18   even if the technology was there to do [TS]

01:20:20   it wasn't like you couldn't just done [TS]

01:20:21   that [TS]

01:20:22   and it's so weird it's so different now [TS]

01:20:24   how except like the best movies that are [TS]

01:20:28   out have Spider Man and Thor in them i [TS]

01:20:31   mean you know I'm saying like it's [TS]

01:20:33   that's cool now what a strange world [TS]

01:20:36   with you know like my kid is gonna grow [TS]

01:20:38   up in a world where it's perfectly okay [TS]

01:20:41   to like spider-man and Batman like what [TS]

01:20:44   an amazing thing for regular people know [TS]

01:20:46   who the Avengers are right [TS]

01:20:48   how's that possible no Hawkeye is people [TS]

01:20:52   want a Hawkeye movie on Twitter they're [TS]

01:20:54   asking Marvel 41 like what is this world [TS]

01:20:57   that's so weird LOL at the big picture [TS]

01:21:01   the geeks have inherited this world [TS]

01:21:02   apparently some apparently and it's it's [TS]

01:21:04   it's crazy [TS]

01:21:05   well you know when we started I i [TS]

01:21:07   occasionally out people ask me like what [TS]

01:21:08   what's the point what's the plan and [TS]

01:21:10   what are you doing it's like there's no [TS]

01:21:11   plan we started because we wanted to [TS]

01:21:13   talk about this stuff and you know one [TS]

01:21:16   of the one of the big steps forward was [TS]

01:21:18   when we came you know you and I were [TS]

01:21:20   talking for a while and you're like come [TS]

01:21:21   on over to find Wi-Fi and and when you [TS]

01:21:23   know coming over five by five around [TS]

01:21:25   episode 60 and that was great because it [TS]

01:21:27   turns out that a lot of the people who [TS]

01:21:29   listen to five by five shows which were [TS]

01:21:31   at that time especially you know almost [TS]

01:21:33   entirely computer-related oh yeah really [TS]

01:21:35   sure and it turns out there's a little [TS]

01:21:39   bit turns out say I'm doing someone in [TS]

01:21:41   here i have no filtering the the that [TS]

01:21:44   has some resonance with with what we [TS]

01:21:48   were talking about in terms of the [TS]

01:21:49   audience also liked the stuff that we [TS]

01:21:50   liked and it was that you know kind of [TS]

01:21:52   it i would say accidental but it's just [TS]

01:21:54   like we were just talking about stuff [TS]

01:21:55   that we were excited about but it all [TS]

01:21:58   you know it all fit pretty well because [TS]

01:22:00   a lot of the people who listen to [TS]

01:22:01   five-by-five stuff like that stuff too [TS]

01:22:04   and that's cool that now that was the [TS]

01:22:05   plan was literally just you know hey we [TS]

01:22:08   like this stuff do you like it too and [TS]

01:22:10   it turns out a lot of people to which is [TS]

01:22:11   great [TS]

01:22:12   yeah it's very cool and and that's the [TS]

01:22:14   thing that that is always surprising is [TS]

01:22:18   when you think that there's this thing [TS]

01:22:20   that I kinda like and we'll talk about [TS]

01:22:22   it but no one want to listen to that and [TS]

01:22:24   you mentioned Merlin that you know a lot [TS]

01:22:26   of the time we'll finish the show [TS]

01:22:28   and he's he's so I I don't know if he [TS]

01:22:32   just doesn't understand how interesting [TS]

01:22:34   he is as a human but he'll always say [TS]

01:22:36   autumn wasn't very good [TS]

01:22:38   I wasn't very good and I'll say that i [TS]

01:22:40   was listening to it while we did it and [TS]

01:22:42   I I thought it was actually great and [TS]

01:22:44   this thing you said about this was going [TS]

01:22:45   to I was kind of a weird one and then [TS]

01:22:47   inevitably people will start hearing it [TS]

01:22:50   and i'll start tweeting and they'll be [TS]

01:22:51   like thank you for this episode was [TS]

01:22:53   great i didn't know anyone else like [TS]

01:22:54   this I'm like yeah but that's the key is [TS]

01:22:56   like that that thing that you as a as a [TS]

01:22:59   person you know listen to this driving [TS]

01:23:01   in your car or wherever you know our [TS]

01:23:04   frost doing these shows that are about [TS]

01:23:06   these typically very very geeky things I [TS]

01:23:08   mean John siracusa is so well known for [TS]

01:23:12   picking things apart and having this [TS]

01:23:13   incredible detailed analysis and insight [TS]

01:23:16   insight of something that is is such a [TS]

01:23:19   small little subset of of an issue and [TS]

01:23:23   it is complete understanding and [TS]

01:23:24   description of it he's on your show a [TS]

01:23:26   lot you know it's like that it's like [TS]

01:23:28   people really like that because that's [TS]

01:23:30   where we go in our heads you know and [TS]

01:23:31   hear someone kind of articulate those [TS]

01:23:33   thoughts and embrace the the inner and [TS]

01:23:36   geek and nerd is is it's comforting in a [TS]

01:23:39   weird way in then you know something [TS]

01:23:41   about you mentioned there about Merlin [TS]

01:23:42   Merlin part of it is Mooreland [TS]

01:23:44   self-critical and he's and and that [TS]

01:23:46   she's always kind of examining and going [TS]

01:23:48   on now and enough that was any good [TS]

01:23:49   against been on our show too and it's [TS]

01:23:50   like a boy I really blue madness i know [TS]

01:23:52   you were great Mariano those terrible [TS]

01:23:53   try to be better next time like geez [TS]

01:23:55   more when I don't know if I want to come [TS]

01:23:57   on again because i don't think that I'm [TS]

01:23:58   like Merlin you need to come back but i [TS]

01:24:00   think there's another part of it which [TS]

01:24:01   goes back to that like things that we [TS]

01:24:03   get you beat up and in middle school [TS]

01:24:05   high school don't which is that wavy [TS]

01:24:07   which there's there's a little bit of it [TS]

01:24:08   like I'm sorry its I read that somewhere [TS]

01:24:10   the other week that it's like it when [TS]

01:24:12   you say I'm sorry to bother you about [TS]

01:24:14   this I think I know I'm boring you with [TS]

01:24:16   this stuff i mean that is that is [TS]

01:24:18   somebody who has been told that the [TS]

01:24:20   stuff they like is stupid and they [TS]

01:24:22   should shut up about it and that's so [TS]

01:24:23   terrible and and so it's great when that [TS]

01:24:25   comes out because the thing about the [TS]

01:24:27   Internet and the thing about podcasting [TS]

01:24:29   as you discover all these people as a as [TS]

01:24:31   somebody on the podcast you discover all [TS]

01:24:33   these people who listen who like the [TS]

01:24:35   same stuff and and that's great and then [TS]

01:24:37   if you're an audience member you are [TS]

01:24:39   hearing these people talking about stuff [TS]

01:24:40   that you like and ask [TS]

01:24:42   yeah because this was sort of taboo [TS]

01:24:43   stuff when you're a teenager like you're [TS]

01:24:45   not supposed to like this stuff [TS]

01:24:47   yeah I mean I've told this story before [TS]

01:24:48   I don't think we're told it on your show [TS]

01:24:50   that I remember it vividly vividly i was [TS]

01:24:54   in fifth grade and the devo album [TS]

01:24:59   freedom of choice with with it on it had [TS]

01:25:03   come out and I remember this album and I [TS]

01:25:07   remember it and I get was my first vinyl [TS]

01:25:09   album that ever gotten and I was talking [TS]

01:25:12   to somebody what like was a friend of [TS]

01:25:14   mine so I thought and I was saying only [TS]

01:25:17   I was so excited because right now i [TS]

01:25:19   think i was about to get mr. roboto you [TS]

01:25:22   know the sticks album that was my second [TS]

01:25:23   album how oh yeah and you know like I [TS]

01:25:25   was talking to these two albums about it [TS]

01:25:27   with it with him and he literally he did [TS]

01:25:29   the little you know where you take your [TS]

01:25:31   YouTube pointer fingers and you gotta [TS]

01:25:33   put one over the other in the shape of a [TS]

01:25:35   cross as if to say protect me from you I [TS]

01:25:40   devil [TS]

01:25:41   oh man vampire and he's like Dewey you [TS]

01:25:44   know he did we didn't say dude back then [TS]

01:25:45   but essentially was like dude you listen [TS]

01:25:47   to default like you're weird and that [TS]

01:25:51   would think you have I think the thing [TS]

01:25:52   you like sucks and that makes you stupid [TS]

01:25:54   which is just the worst thing to say to [TS]

01:25:55   any bright and and that was kind of the [TS]

01:25:58   prevailing like you play D&D like [TS]

01:26:02   fingers up you know that kind of thing [TS]

01:26:04   it was like you it was bad too like this [TS]

01:26:07   up and now it really doesn't seem to [TS]

01:26:08   matter it may be because so many of us [TS]

01:26:11   in that age groupers stage that happened [TS]

01:26:14   to us and now we can be like a course I [TS]

01:26:16   I like that stuff like comics are not [TS]

01:26:18   weird [TS]

01:26:19   dungeons and dragons is not really that [TS]

01:26:20   weird in fact there are actually stores [TS]

01:26:23   that you can go to that on the weekend [TS]

01:26:25   have an entire section of the parking [TS]

01:26:27   lot reserved for them because all of [TS]

01:26:28   these people here adults and children to [TS]

01:26:31   play pokemon and magic the gathering in [TS]

01:26:34   always build you have their little mini [TS]

01:26:35   figs that they painted and like this is [TS]

01:26:37   cool now and it's so weird it's like in [TS]

01:26:40   a way I mean I'm glad I grew up when I [TS]

01:26:41   did but in a way I'm like I probably [TS]

01:26:43   have a lot more fun if this stuff it [TS]

01:26:45   just been ok back then and I'm really [TS]

01:26:47   glad it's okay now [TS]

01:26:48   sure and some of this I think is is pop [TS]

01:26:51   culture in general and some of it is the [TS]

01:26:52   internet [TS]

01:26:53   showing that you're not alone because [TS]

01:26:54   yeah it is i think the feeling of being [TS]

01:26:56   alone like I'm the one the one who likes [TS]

01:26:58   this stuff and nobody else likes of the [TS]

01:26:59   popular kid doesn't like it and so now [TS]

01:27:01   I'm gonna be I'm gonna be singled out [TS]

01:27:03   not totally yeah it happened for me to [TS]

01:27:05   with like the x-men when I was in high [TS]

01:27:06   school I remember a night crawler [TS]

01:27:08   t-shirt and I and the people made fun of [TS]

01:27:10   me they're like what is that thing right [TS]

01:27:12   and I think back now and it's like dude [TS]

01:27:14   this is this is a john byrne [TS]

01:27:16   illustration of Nightcrawler from the [TS]

01:27:18   classic run of the x-men [TS]

01:27:20   what is your problem yeah it back then [TS]

01:27:23   it was just like heaven [TS]

01:27:24   nevermind nothing right yeah I know that [TS]

01:27:27   should be totally cool my homies so cool [TS]

01:27:29   and the whole thing now is to wear a [TS]

01:27:31   t-shirt that's so obscured that people [TS]

01:27:33   don't know what it is like that's cool [TS]

01:27:35   like I like something that's even [TS]

01:27:36   geekier than the geeky stuff did you [TS]

01:27:38   know about that's how much of a geek i [TS]

01:27:40   am and that's like this almost the [TS]

01:27:42   status thing to like write stuff you [TS]

01:27:44   know it's gone the other way right now [TS]

01:27:45   because i like the NFL [TS]

01:27:48   I'm singled out as the weird now I'm [TS]

01:27:49   weird haha liking the NFL like yeah you [TS]

01:27:52   know i get i get that to write sports [TS]

01:27:54   ball around and sunday night afraid it's [TS]

01:27:55   gonna be the way you like sports [TS]

01:27:57   what is wrong with you right sorry nerds [TS]

01:28:00   I also explore yes sorry yeah yeah it's [TS]

01:28:04   weird it's weird that we've gotten to [TS]

01:28:06   this point it's fun [TS]

01:28:06   I mean it's fun to talk about it and and [TS]

01:28:08   it's and it's been great to discover [TS]

01:28:10   that all these people the people i've [TS]

01:28:12   been writing for all these years the [TS]

01:28:14   people that you've been broadcasting to [TS]

01:28:15   all these years these people like like a [TS]

01:28:18   lot of stuff we like they like the [TS]

01:28:20   technology stuff they like this other [TS]

01:28:21   geeky you know cultural stuff too and I [TS]

01:28:24   you know not all of them but a lot of [TS]

01:28:25   them and I'm that's been nice [TS]

01:28:27   that's been a nice discovery i think you [TS]

01:28:29   know as somebody who is known as the you [TS]

01:28:31   know the guy who wrote about apple for [TS]

01:28:33   all those years it's been a lot of fun [TS]

01:28:34   to you know these days I get just as [TS]

01:28:37   much interaction about like comics or [TS]

01:28:39   sci-fi stuff than I do about Apple which [TS]

01:28:43   is pretty funny and that's because [TS]

01:28:45   people of people love that stuff to [TS]

01:28:47   that's just a big as big a part of their [TS]

01:28:48   life as as you know technology's yeah [TS]

01:28:50   sure is so well anyway damn it has been [TS]

01:28:54   it has been great to be on to be on five [TS]

01:28:57   by five and to have you on episode 208 [TS]

01:29:00   guess I we should say before we go we've [TS]

01:29:02   had a lot of stuff like there's an [TS]

01:29:03   incomparable website now and there we [TS]

01:29:05   had some feed redirections [TS]

01:29:06   and things like that but you know we're [TS]

01:29:08   gonna keep we're posting all of these [TS]

01:29:10   other spin-off shows on the incomparable [TS]

01:29:11   com will post the regular podcast there [TS]

01:29:14   but it's still going to be on [TS]

01:29:15   five-by-five too so you can sort of find [TS]

01:29:16   it wherever you like it and it's great [TS]

01:29:18   to be part of the five by five family so [TS]

01:29:20   we're gonna you know we're going to keep [TS]

01:29:21   on posting over there so people can [TS]

01:29:22   people can find whatever but we've also [TS]

01:29:24   got our spin-offs off on our own so I [TS]

01:29:26   love it I love what you've been doing [TS]

01:29:28   because it's it's again you talk about [TS]

01:29:30   embracing all this stuff you've done [TS]

01:29:32   that so well and and I love to see we [TS]

01:29:35   are you doing and I'm a listener and i'm [TS]

01:29:36   going to keeping the listener and thanks [TS]

01:29:38   so much for having me and thanks for [TS]

01:29:40   being part of five-by-five and and just [TS]

01:29:42   for hanging out it's it's so awesome and [TS]

01:29:43   please keep doing all this great stop [TS]

01:29:45   and it turns out runnin runnin up [TS]

01:29:47   website and hosting podcasts up its hard [TS]

01:29:50   I appreciate what you do more and more [TS]

01:29:51   everyday [TS]

01:29:52   no I appreciate that there's no problem [TS]

01:29:53   thanks for being yeah [TS]

01:30:19   we're back with another in exciting [TS]

01:30:22   segment of episode two hundred and I [TS]

01:30:23   have a a giant panel of of people aren't [TS]

01:30:26   exciting it is exciting Steve let's that [TS]

01:30:28   was Steve let's hi Steve hi jason i'm [TS]

01:30:31   excited i can you tell i can did you are [TS]

01:30:33   you on muscle relaxants I wish I was but [TS]

01:30:37   no I'm just high on life but greg koss [TS]

01:30:39   says hi Craig muscle relaxants for [TS]

01:30:41   everybody yeah alright okay pass them [TS]

01:30:44   around crumb david lawrence also out [TS]

01:30:46   there hi David and there I'm sure I'm [TS]

01:30:49   stone-cold sober tonight [TS]

01:30:50   alright good so far that's Erika and [TS]

01:30:53   sign also out there hello hello yeah i'm [TS]

01:30:55   drinking coffee i'm going the other [TS]

01:30:56   direction [TS]

01:30:57   Wow don't move don't move Monty actually [TS]

01:31:01   I Monty hi Jason good to have you here [TS]

01:31:03   thank you [TS]

01:31:05   a rare cameo appearance by glenn [TS]

01:31:08   fleischmann hi Glenn who I'm here [TS]

01:31:11   yeah I don't know what happened i must [TS]

01:31:13   be an accident don't let it happen again [TS]

01:31:16   I know it's good to have you here and [TS]

01:31:17   then we have two people who were who [TS]

01:31:19   were on a previous segment of this [TS]

01:31:20   episode in more'n hi Dan [TS]

01:31:23   hello wait was I on that segment no yes [TS]

01:31:25   no John siracusa what I know I there [TS]

01:31:29   somewhere [TS]

01:31:29   I'm high on life Jason and podcasting [TS]

01:31:32   alright so here's what's happening now [TS]

01:31:33   I've asked you guys together here to [TS]

01:31:35   celebrate this 200th episode of the [TS]

01:31:37   incomparable we're going to talk about [TS]

01:31:40   some some so a few weeks ago I asked the [TS]

01:31:42   listeners on Twitter to share some of [TS]

01:31:46   their favorite moments [TS]

01:31:47   oh no from the in constable huge mistake [TS]

01:31:50   and and we're gonna and we're gonna get [TS]

01:31:52   to those but we're going to start with [TS]

01:31:55   something that you knew we had to do [TS]

01:31:58   because i love it so much [TS]

01:31:59   it is a draft no no I and you get you [TS]

01:32:04   guys are thinking wait a second how [TS]

01:32:05   could this be that there's a draft [TS]

01:32:07   because you haven't asked you to prepare [TS]

01:32:08   anything and that's true i haven't asked [TS]

01:32:10   you to prepare anything with the first [TS]

01:32:12   pick in the incomparable 200 episodes [TS]

01:32:14   draft by listeners is listener Scott [TS]

01:32:19   hello uncomfortable [TS]

01:32:21   thanks for letting contribute to episode [TS]

01:32:22   200 my name is scott williams and I've [TS]

01:32:24   been listening to the show ever since [TS]

01:32:25   the first hours episode for my pic i [TS]

01:32:28   choose show number 166 I assume everyone [TS]

01:32:31   is awful [TS]

01:32:32   this episode dealt with how you can [TS]

01:32:34   appreciate art created by people you [TS]

01:32:36   don't agree with namely mr. Orson Scott [TS]

01:32:38   Card too often arguments like this are [TS]

01:32:41   flung back and forth over Twitter with [TS]

01:32:42   no context and no new ones i chose this [TS]

01:32:45   episode because it was the antithesis of [TS]

01:32:47   that it's got smart people talking about [TS]

01:32:49   something controversial but digging into [TS]

01:32:51   it without trying to condense everything [TS]

01:32:53   into a sarcastic soundbite also it has [TS]

01:32:56   Hitler jokes and that's good enough for [TS]

01:32:57   me [TS]

01:32:58   thanks again I can't believe Scott could [TS]

01:33:00   make it tonight because essentially the [TS]

01:33:01   episode he titled is number one in the [TS]

01:33:03   uncomfortable episode draft can we get [TS]

01:33:05   that Scott instead so listen Scott here [TS]

01:33:07   enjoys it when we are littered with [TS]

01:33:08   politics is what is that they are most [TS]

01:33:11   recent itunes review by the way says [TS]

01:33:12   that we are terrible people for doing [TS]

01:33:14   episode 166 so in time getting I'm [TS]

01:33:18   getting mixed signals Jason me to Dan me [TS]

01:33:22   too me too but Scott heat you and I ms [TS]

01:33:24   williams in the chatroom like all that [TS]

01:33:27   cat's got this nice Williams we know him [TS]

01:33:29   well he gets extra points for first [TS]

01:33:31   starting when really when the pockets [TS]

01:33:33   actually began with the star wars [TS]

01:33:34   episodes yep [TS]

01:33:36   good job mr. Scott with the second pick [TS]

01:33:39   in the incomparable episode draft is [TS]

01:33:41   listener James hi this is James Kalin [TS]

01:33:44   from Seattle Washington and i have been [TS]

01:33:47   listening to the incomparable since just [TS]

01:33:49   about the beginning and one of its great [TS]

01:33:51   strength as podcast is that is a show [TS]

01:33:54   for enthusiasts it's not that people are [TS]

01:33:58   never critical or panelists never have [TS]

01:34:01   anything negative to say about things [TS]

01:34:03   but overall topics are chosen and [TS]

01:34:07   discussed by people who enjoy them which [TS]

01:34:11   is why episode 136 when they finally got [TS]

01:34:16   around to tackling the first of the Star [TS]

01:34:19   Wars prequels the Phantom Menace haha [TS]

01:34:22   was so incredibly satisfying it's not [TS]

01:34:26   that they habitually rip things a new [TS]

01:34:30   one it's that after celebrating star [TS]

01:34:34   wars all three of the original trilogy [TS]

01:34:36   after celebrating so many other things [TS]

01:34:38   they finally let go [TS]

01:34:41   uncorked let her rip the ground floor is [TS]

01:34:45   a good way they're giving t-that so many [TS]

01:34:48   of them and so many of us have felt and [TS]

01:34:52   thoroughly thoroughly have straight into [TS]

01:34:55   the ground [TS]

01:34:56   what I want every episode to be like [TS]

01:34:58   this know what I like even a quarter of [TS]

01:35:01   all episodes to be like this one [TS]

01:35:03   no but when they are well done when they [TS]

01:35:06   go like this [TS]

01:35:07   it was a great moment thanks for a great [TS]

01:35:10   show guys [TS]

01:35:11   thank you listening James unabashed [TS]

01:35:14   loading is really just another form of [TS]

01:35:15   enthusiasm really this is true history [TS]

01:35:19   of so you know we did this is you know [TS]

01:35:22   that's our reward I think it's not much [TS]

01:35:24   of a reward but that's our reward for [TS]

01:35:26   watching episode 1 is it's the second [TS]

01:35:29   pic episode draft [TS]

01:35:31   wow yeah okay I'm we have a couple of [TS]

01:35:34   unorthodox pics coming [TS]

01:35:36   our next pick is from from listener Jeff [TS]

01:35:39   hey gang this is jeff in lancaster [TS]

01:35:41   pennsylvania and I'll take favorite [TS]

01:35:43   podcast episodes for a pink piece of pie [TS]

01:35:46   yes general listeners i'm talking about [TS]

01:35:49   the trivial pursuit episode will he or [TS]

01:35:53   after dark episode 4 49 if you happen to [TS]

01:35:55   be playing the genus 2 addition the [TS]

01:35:58   whole time i was listening to the [TS]

01:35:59   podcast when I wasn't screaming oh come [TS]

01:36:02   on when a player didn't know what I [TS]

01:36:05   thought was a pretty obvious answer i [TS]

01:36:07   was trying to figure out how I could put [TS]

01:36:08   together a similar online game of [TS]

01:36:10   Trivial Pursuit with my own friends in [TS]

01:36:12   short it was the most fun of him [TS]

01:36:14   listening to a podcast in quite some [TS]

01:36:16   time [TS]

01:36:17   happy 200 episodes to the entire and [TS]

01:36:19   comparable family [TS]

01:36:21   we're all looking forward to another 200 [TS]

01:36:23   great shows thanks guys [TS]

01:36:24   another 200 shares implying that test [TS]

01:36:27   first you wanted were all great which i [TS]

01:36:29   might questionable leecher totally sure [TS]

01:36:31   with the possible exception of the one [TS]

01:36:32   that he likes that would say that's [TS]

01:36:34   probably pretty and she's having [TS]

01:36:35   conducted in the 200 it's it's like I [TS]

01:36:37   you know that phrase i hope you had as [TS]

01:36:39   much fun listening as we had creating it [TS]

01:36:41   I i think is that the the motto of total [TS]

01:36:44   party kale yeah yeah I'll i enjoyed the [TS]

01:36:47   first like eight hours of that trivial [TS]

01:36:49   pursuit game it was only at the end [TS]

01:36:51   there [TS]

01:36:51   it sucked my will to live away that [TS]

01:36:54   episode was great because I want nothing [TS]

01:36:57   more games which i win faster Monty [TS]

01:36:59   that's my feedback to you went faster [TS]

01:37:02   this is how his wizard dies out of [TS]

01:37:04   curiosity is is we've eubanks still with [TS]

01:37:06   us we view bank will always be with us [TS]

01:37:10   uh-huh but is she dead or alive i think [TS]

01:37:13   that would like died i recreate i'm [TS]

01:37:16   happy to hear that because I Wow his [TS]

01:37:19   presence in that episode made me angry [TS]

01:37:22   i'm sorry we re well he's dead he [TS]

01:37:24   doesn't care now [TS]

01:37:25   yeah alright so that that was our third [TS]

01:37:27   pic was actually not an episode at all [TS]

01:37:29   but after dark and a and a total party [TS]

01:37:31   kill spin-off episode 2 that's obscure [TS]

01:37:35   that seed catalog right there [TS]

01:37:36   here here at this this next one is from [TS]

01:37:38   mark my list listen Joe we may also know [TS]

01:37:41   him as Joe steel and he has another [TS]

01:37:43   unorthodox choice [TS]

01:37:45   I'm generation steal my draft pick is [TS]

01:37:47   after 423 which contains the bits cut [TS]

01:37:49   out of the comfortable 173 Santa base [TS]

01:37:51   Christmas if you cannot let this episode [TS]

01:37:54   or the after dark I have two words for [TS]

01:37:55   you [TS]

01:37:55   human centipede mentally spicy edited [TS]

01:37:58   bits back into the episode like a [TS]

01:38:00   podcast sent me to the mind and you'll [TS]

01:38:01   hear the dark brilliance of the [TS]

01:38:03   incomparable panelists Phil's Richard [TS]

01:38:05   Burton is enough to make anyone ask for [TS]

01:38:06   an incomparable old movie club about [TS]

01:38:08   who's afraid of virginia woolf David [TS]

01:38:10   lures Elmo exclaiming no mr. noodle the [TS]

01:38:12   barrel goes in your mouth to make anyone [TS]

01:38:13   laugh into the correct the edible [TS]

01:38:15   discussion surrounding I saw Mommy [TS]

01:38:16   Kissing Santa Claus is precisely what [TS]

01:38:18   people should think about during the [TS]

01:38:19   holidays in crafting Steve's theory that [TS]

01:38:21   song is sung by a middle-aged hand with [TS]

01:38:23   tears and mascara running down his face [TS]

01:38:24   send you to another man tied to a chair [TS]

01:38:26   if it brings up the human centipede but [TS]

01:38:28   it's later on and Lisa brings it up as a [TS]

01:38:30   metaphor for a Christmas song the panel [TS]

01:38:32   break seriously you can hear him [TS]

01:38:34   collapse is my favorite moment from any [TS]

01:38:36   uncomfortable episode and why I selected [TS]

01:38:38   for the draft are that man [TS]

01:38:40   I'm Whitney jail oh man alright guys i [TS]

01:38:43   know i can remember exactly where I was [TS]

01:38:45   and what I was feeling when I collapsed [TS]

01:38:47   into we've been measuring your outline [TS]

01:38:49   on the floor of your garage from that [TS]

01:38:51   episode you know the tears the tears and [TS]

01:38:54   mascara running down my face won't wait [TS]

01:38:59   yeah yeah okay this is why he's forced [TS]

01:39:02   to be in the garage is recorded yeah [TS]

01:39:04   yeah that was that one that one happened [TS]

01:39:07   when I was still in the in the in the [TS]

01:39:08   house proper and that was I think the [TS]

01:39:10   last one members look at the garage [TS]

01:39:12   taken outside to get outside [TS]

01:39:15   I was endangered making the entire house [TS]

01:39:18   screaming with laughter good and I can [TS]

01:39:20   to keep hitting mute button just come [TS]

01:39:22   when I was a good one and that was the [TS]

01:39:24   episode that also we i we were recording [TS]

01:39:27   it like literally I think the day before [TS]

01:39:29   it was supposed to come out we had the [TS]

01:39:31   tough so I i needed to be a really tight [TS]

01:39:33   episode that didn't require any editing [TS]

01:39:36   and it was the most everything I've done [TS]

01:39:37   for any episode [TS]

01:39:39   yeah the the unedited version is [TS]

01:39:42   available i'll put a link in the show [TS]

01:39:44   notes as a as a bonus track now you can [TS]

01:39:47   actually just listen to the whole [TS]

01:39:48   ridiculous thing is it as it unfolded if [TS]

01:39:50   you are a glutton for punishment [TS]

01:39:52   I don't think I want to relive behind [TS]

01:39:54   know maybe at the holidays if I'm [TS]

01:39:57   feeling really angry [TS]

01:39:58   that's a great episode that's even [TS]

01:40:00   better after dark i'm right with you Joe [TS]

01:40:03   alright so our 50 i should say these [TS]

01:40:05   them i had them give it give me three [TS]

01:40:06   choices because I knew people we're [TS]

01:40:08   going to cover up other people's pics so [TS]

01:40:09   these are literally the first person who [TS]

01:40:13   came out of the random number generator [TS]

01:40:14   and picked an episode got it [TS]

01:40:16   nobody else picked the human centipede [TS]

01:40:18   after dark those a good job Joe steel [TS]

01:40:20   rosenstiel by the way totally fake name [TS]

01:40:22   not a real name can't be a real name [TS]

01:40:24   fake fake fake clearly fake listener [TS]

01:40:28   Seth is next here he goes [TS]

01:40:30   hi there I'm Seth from the pavement [TS]

01:40:31   founders podcast for my selection i went [TS]

01:40:33   with episode 99 convenience store clerk [TS]

01:40:35   of do in the summer reading list [TS]

01:40:37   really though I could have gone with any [TS]

01:40:39   of the reading list episodes because i [TS]

01:40:40   love all of them one of the great things [TS]

01:40:42   about the incomparable of course is the [TS]

01:40:44   rotating panel of guests and in the [TS]

01:40:46   reading list episodes in particular this [TS]

01:40:47   is a real asset because the types of [TS]

01:40:49   recommendations you get can vary from [TS]

01:40:51   episode to episode [TS]

01:40:52   and they're almost always good one of [TS]

01:40:55   the other things i like is that the [TS]

01:40:56   panelists are not afraid to recommend a [TS]

01:40:57   book and also recommend not reading [TS]

01:41:00   follow-up books in the series [TS]

01:41:02   this has the effect of keeping one's [TS]

01:41:04   reading list manageable [TS]

01:41:05   well of course the rest of the episode [TS]

01:41:07   makes a reading list completely [TS]

01:41:08   unmanageable it's a first-world problem [TS]

01:41:11   and I thank you very much for [TS]

01:41:12   contributing to it all right very nice [TS]

01:41:14   another melty related thing and he's not [TS]

01:41:16   here to get the education but I love [TS]

01:41:18   those reading list episodes because it's [TS]

01:41:20   just like we're bringing out a load of [TS]

01:41:21   stuff and dumping it down and then [TS]

01:41:22   people on Twitter you generally say oh [TS]

01:41:24   my god now i have so many books to read [TS]

01:41:26   but that's the idea that was like the [TS]

01:41:28   original and comfortable episode [TS]

01:41:30   yeah yeah yeahs episode one was really [TS]

01:41:31   good one is basically a reading list [TS]

01:41:33   yeah yeah it's just a whole giant load [TS]

01:41:35   of books [TS]

01:41:36   yeah that's true we didn't know what we [TS]

01:41:38   were doing that it did not like I had a [TS]

01:41:39   theme we just kind of made it up as we [TS]

01:41:40   went along people like it we do book [TS]

01:41:42   episodes [TS]

01:41:43   yeah definitely had no idea of tweets [TS]

01:41:45   where people say I just finished reading [TS]

01:41:47   such and such because I heard it on the [TS]

01:41:48   incomparable yeah and the list are so [TS]

01:41:50   long that often those come like a year [TS]

01:41:52   after we picked it did we [TS]

01:41:55   alright many thousands of years ago I [TS]

01:41:58   alright listener listener karen is next [TS]

01:42:01   hello and comfortable listeners my name [TS]

01:42:03   is Keeley i'm a college professor and [TS]

01:42:06   because i'm from ireland I also sell [TS]

01:42:08   beautiful pine furniture one of my [TS]

01:42:12   favorite and complex is episode 59 [TS]

01:42:15   flitting is in this is the companion [TS]

01:42:17   episode to what I think is the earliest [TS]

01:42:19   draft show the panelists start having [TS]

01:42:22   already drafted a roster of TV [TS]

01:42:23   characters in the previous episode and [TS]

01:42:26   are charged with pitching them as a new [TS]

01:42:28   show the pictures are great [TS]

01:42:30   everyone is in good form and the [TS]

01:42:32   material ranges from the merely weird to [TS]

01:42:34   the definitely misguided to the [TS]

01:42:36   certifiably insane to you the most [TS]

01:42:38   memorable effort by far i think is [TS]

01:42:40   undoubtedly John Syracuse's virtuoso [TS]

01:42:42   repurposing of a motley group of [TS]

01:42:44   characters with the goal in his own [TS]

01:42:46   words of reanimating the corpse of a [TS]

01:42:48   much-loved series that died much too [TS]

01:42:50   soon [TS]

01:42:50   ah he got it John he figured it out he [TS]

01:42:53   figured out you were doing all right [TS]

01:42:54   here hearing his voice and his actual [TS]

01:42:57   accent I think that I think that episode [TS]

01:42:59   really made that draft shine where we [TS]

01:43:00   had to actually take those characters [TS]

01:43:02   and assemble them into something a lot [TS]

01:43:03   of the feedback about drafts is that we [TS]

01:43:04   don't do anything [TS]

01:43:06   with things we assemble we just say yeah [TS]

01:43:08   there's a list and then we walk away and [TS]

01:43:10   i think that was our feedback when you [TS]

01:43:11   start doing dressage to Jason was the [TS]

01:43:13   point at the end we just have these yes [TS]

01:43:14   you like no that's how dress work yeah [TS]

01:43:16   that's it [TS]

01:43:17   the team's team strap players and then [TS]

01:43:19   they never play and that's what I space [TS]

01:43:22   exactly that's what we could do that [TS]

01:43:24   technically that was the second draft [TS]

01:43:25   the first one being the canceled shows [TS]

01:43:27   draft if i'm not mistaken correct [TS]

01:43:30   I think you want to write good good [TS]

01:43:31   knowledge contribute their yeah I'm good [TS]

01:43:34   that way I wasn't actually on that one [TS]

01:43:36   so I've only heard rumors travel trivia [TS]

01:43:38   show would not do it you know the arm if [TS]

01:43:42   it was a trivia show about Merlin man's [TS]

01:43:44   podcast you would win now John I would [TS]

01:43:46   do very well yeah yeah okay master of [TS]

01:43:50   Canada the next the next is listed Brian [TS]

01:43:53   who actually was on like four episodes [TS]

01:43:56   of the TV podcast the last couple of [TS]

01:43:57   months our buddy prime hamilton and this [TS]

01:44:01   is a pic that I expected to come sooner [TS]

01:44:02   quite frankly my favorite thing about [TS]

01:44:04   the incomparables always been that you [TS]

01:44:06   know just from listening you could tell [TS]

01:44:08   how much everyone involved loves what [TS]

01:44:10   they do on the show you can hang out [TS]

01:44:12   with these people for a few hours and [TS]

01:44:13   just listen to them talk about the [TS]

01:44:15   things that they really love and it's so [TS]

01:44:17   obvious that they love them so much and [TS]

01:44:19   for me there's never been a higher point [TS]

01:44:21   for that kind of palpable love for each [TS]

01:44:24   culture than the radio show episode I [TS]

01:44:27   remember listening to it april fools [TS]

01:44:29   last year after a really really late [TS]

01:44:31   night trip from New York to Boston i [TS]

01:44:33   downloaded it i played it I had no idea [TS]

01:44:35   what I was getting into because it [TS]

01:44:37   starts off with that fake out what [TS]

01:44:38   you're listening to be incomparable [TS]

01:44:39   we're going to talk about radio static [TS]

01:44:41   and then everything changes and the [TS]

01:44:45   description for the episode was how much [TS]

01:44:47   do we love radio dramas this much all of [TS]

01:44:50   the references that are thrown in there [TS]

01:44:52   to not only you know geek culture but to [TS]

01:44:55   the show itself [TS]

01:44:56   I thought it was the pinnacle of [TS]

01:44:57   everything being comparable means to me [TS]

01:44:59   and what it means to really love this [TS]

01:45:02   world of geek culture that we're all in [TS]

01:45:04   good job David because of shop guys [TS]

01:45:07   we're done never topic that was the [TS]

01:45:10   painting again one more for safety [TS]

01:45:12   what's that no don't start it [TS]

01:45:16   so did he tragically died before you [TS]

01:45:20   heard the second radio show or that only [TS]

01:45:23   just wasn't as good as ability his first [TS]

01:45:25   he's looking backwards and tall downhill [TS]

01:45:27   from there the other marlin and then you [TS]

01:45:30   did basically the same joke and it's [TS]

01:45:31   okay i guess thanks for the show haha [TS]

01:45:33   it's never the same as the first time [TS]

01:45:37   you hear a fake radio drama i think [TS]

01:45:39   that's the lesson and creamier Jays have [TS]

01:45:42   a little work thing with the christmas [TS]

01:45:44   one you know you kind of knew what it [TS]

01:45:45   was gonna be but yeah I the fake-out i [TS]

01:45:47   mean i still love listening to that [TS]

01:45:50   moment where you know it's possible [TS]

01:45:51   so ya know I can't imagine it was weird [TS]

01:45:56   because I recorded that you know by [TS]

01:45:57   myself and it was like trying to pretend [TS]

01:45:58   that I was on a podcast even though [TS]

01:46:00   there were no guests and I think coming [TS]

01:46:02   out of it I actually talked to Scott who [TS]

01:46:04   isn't there and he's weird [TS]

01:46:06   that was weird what's the most you've [TS]

01:46:07   ever talked to get an idea like that so [TS]

01:46:09   we'll never hear is the one where Scott [TS]

01:46:11   cool but if he doesn't say much it so [TS]

01:46:14   you know now he has a whole podcast [TS]

01:46:15   where he has to talk because you know he [TS]

01:46:18   can't hide its it's just him and one [TS]

01:46:20   other person so all right we're up to [TS]

01:46:24   listener dong [TS]

01:46:27   hello I'm from Austin Texas for mine [TS]

01:46:30   comfortable draft i selected episode 46 [TS]

01:46:32   I like my coffee like my evil sith lords [TS]

01:46:34   and the commanding episode death star [TS]

01:46:36   university you don't get to you don't [TS]

01:46:37   get too by the way this episode [TS]

01:46:39   originally aired in jun 2011 and [TS]

01:46:40   features jason scott siracusa Greg and [TS]

01:46:43   Dan speaking about the geek movie of all [TS]

01:46:45   keep movies star wars in many ways this [TS]

01:46:47   episode isn't particularly insightful [TS]

01:46:49   groundbreaking but i did not only as a [TS]

01:46:54   grad the papers i grew up not having not [TS]

01:46:57   known star wars listening to him speak [TS]

01:46:59   about it was like sitting around with [TS]

01:47:01   some friends reminiscing [TS]

01:47:02   oh and Scott's a bad man for those of [TS]

01:47:05   you out there are newer listeners [TS]

01:47:06   feeling comfortable i recommend going [TS]

01:47:08   back to listen to it if you haven't [TS]

01:47:09   already [TS]

01:47:10   it's one of those podcast episodes that [TS]

01:47:12   can be listened to repeatedly another [TS]

01:47:14   gem is that it also reveals that were [TS]

01:47:15   jumping comfortable as a title for the [TS]

01:47:17   show I leave it to you to check out [TS]

01:47:19   thanks a lot for good episode guys okay [TS]

01:47:21   you know technically again don't only [TS]

01:47:23   picked up some 46 you can only pick one [TS]

01:47:24   episode he tried to sneaky sneaky there [TS]

01:47:26   and pick two and let's go one still on [TS]

01:47:28   the board I don't know [TS]

01:47:29   Oliver why he wants two episodes that [TS]

01:47:32   are not groundbreaking particularly more [TS]

01:47:34   insightful yeah the other insightful [TS]

01:47:37   things are better yeah as a southpaw [TS]

01:47:39   have to say I understand i recognize a [TS]

01:47:41   left-handed insult great grip Greg this [TS]

01:47:46   is your chance to say things about how [TS]

01:47:47   Star Wars is better than the Empire [TS]

01:47:49   Strikes pick the best star where area [TS]

01:47:51   alright I Eric I swear there's some more [TS]

01:47:57   reason once in here that you've actually [TS]

01:47:58   event will get there but you know I have [TS]

01:48:02   no control it's the listeners they're [TS]

01:48:03   doing that that's why listen Joey Joey [TS]

01:48:05   sent this end also old hi my name is [TS]

01:48:08   Joey Drew's and i'm from Robertsdale [TS]

01:48:10   Alabama I chose episode 58 of the [TS]

01:48:14   incomparable which was the TV fantasy [TS]

01:48:17   draft and this is the now infamous [TS]

01:48:20   episode where Steve lots traffic [TS]

01:48:22   Skeletor yeah infamous and I chose this [TS]

01:48:26   episode because i was grocery shopping [TS]

01:48:29   at walmart while listening to and I was [TS]

01:48:34   laughing so hard that i had to brace [TS]

01:48:37   myself against an aisle by and just [TS]

01:48:43   thought i was absolutely crazy or you [TS]

01:48:46   can see that in walmart every day and [TS]

01:48:47   that's really saying something [TS]

01:48:50   in walmart haha totally snake to Greg oh [TS]

01:48:55   man a going to is that valid because [TS]

01:48:59   that was is its moments not episodes now [TS]

01:49:02   he you know he chose he gets 58 he gets [TS]

01:49:05   episode 58 and it includes the Skeletor [TS]

01:49:07   moment which you know really [TS]

01:49:09   there's other stuff that happens in that [TS]

01:49:11   every third episode has the Skeletor [TS]

01:49:13   moment [TS]

01:49:14   yeah there are many Skeletor moments to [TS]

01:49:15   choose from thats related that's a good [TS]

01:49:17   point that's a great threat [TS]

01:49:19   okay I think we've all had those moments [TS]

01:49:21   I I certainly had those moments waiting [TS]

01:49:23   at the bus stop where I'm listening to a [TS]

01:49:24   funny podcast and I start to laugh and I [TS]

01:49:26   realized the people around me think that [TS]

01:49:28   I am a having a seizure right now [TS]

01:49:29   because this isn't that funny [TS]

01:49:31   podcasts are kind of see here yeah that [TS]

01:49:34   is the seizure you listen to [TS]

01:49:37   with people from talking to you on the [TS]

01:49:40   bus yeah that's true [TS]

01:49:42   alright so good job Steve good job right [TS]

01:49:46   didn't first lately that was like a [TS]

01:49:47   hundred and forty two episodes ago uh I [TS]

01:49:50   feel like I still get another year of [TS]

01:49:51   mileage out of skeleton is gonna see a [TS]

01:49:54   little trend in this [TS]

01:49:56   yeah i've picked most little friend are [TS]

01:50:00   you not in any of these observed that [TS]

01:50:01   little be correct [TS]

01:50:03   well we know you remote radio drama in [TS]

01:50:05   your dad any episodes period or 1100 [TS]

01:50:07   insulted radio drama Glenn Glenn are you [TS]

01:50:10   just fishing for us to point out that [TS]

01:50:11   the TV draft is your idea yet again [TS]

01:50:13   that's true [TS]

01:50:15   thank you i was that's true and then you [TS]

01:50:16   didn't show up that one backfired [TS]

01:50:20   yeah alright very handsome man glenn a [TS]

01:50:23   lot of people like you here is here is [TS]

01:50:25   listener Neil with another selection [TS]

01:50:26   more and more and more current selection [TS]

01:50:28   it's from the last 50 amazing so we [TS]

01:50:31   haven't gone completely downhill [TS]

01:50:32   you mean after the show went downhill [TS]

01:50:34   yeah yeah it's hello my name is Neil [TS]

01:50:37   partner i'm a fan of the incomparable [TS]

01:50:39   living in san diego california who I [TS]

01:50:42   picked for the upset draft is episode [TS]

01:50:44   158 part 1 of the second movie festival [TS]

01:50:47   it's an episode that really captures a [TS]

01:50:49   lot of what i love about the show [TS]

01:50:51   everyone on the panel sounds like [TS]

01:50:54   they're having a blast recording this [TS]

01:50:55   episode and that really comes through [TS]

01:50:57   and listening to it each member of the [TS]

01:51:00   panel approach the premise from a [TS]

01:51:01   slightly different direction so there's [TS]

01:51:04   real diversity in the choices I heard [TS]

01:51:07   some really great discussion about [TS]

01:51:08   movies I'd already seen and really [TS]

01:51:10   really enjoy like sneakers i heard so [TS]

01:51:13   really fascinating discussion of movies [TS]

01:51:16   I'd heard a lot about but it never [TS]

01:51:18   actually seen before like the taking of [TS]

01:51:20   pelham 123 that compelled me to then go [TS]

01:51:23   watch that movie a bomb plot i really [TS]

01:51:26   enjoy her but for me the real at the [TS]

01:51:28   real magic of the show is and [TS]

01:51:32   particularly this episode that was [TS]

01:51:35   hearing about something that was [TS]

01:51:36   absolutely and the butter zone of my key [TS]

01:51:39   for nineteen eighties action movies that [TS]

01:51:43   some people would maybe call bad so [TS]

01:51:46   hearing Monty actually talk about to [TS]

01:51:48   kill until against which [TS]

01:51:50   spiritual sequel to kill or be killed [TS]

01:51:52   and then move into his discussion of the [TS]

01:51:54   Miami action those movies just sounded [TS]

01:51:58   absolutely amazing and i knew i had to [TS]

01:52:00   seek them out your writing is butter [TS]

01:52:02   zone Monty I have to go now but really [TS]

01:52:07   it's an episode where I wished I could [TS]

01:52:08   be on the panel and part of the [TS]

01:52:10   discussion but at least being able to [TS]

01:52:12   listen in was a real treat [TS]

01:52:15   so thank you Jason for 200 amazing [TS]

01:52:18   episodes they brought me many many hours [TS]

01:52:20   of enjoyment and i'm always looking [TS]

01:52:22   forward to hearing about what you can [TS]

01:52:25   talk about next [TS]

01:52:26   so keep up the great work and thank you [TS]

01:52:29   again while the debt and thank you neil [TS]

01:52:31   for for teaching me term butter zone [TS]

01:52:34   with the explicit tag this episode now [TS]

01:52:38   we're going to show up again [TS]

01:52:39   yeah I'm trying really hard to come up [TS]

01:52:42   with the definition for that that isn't [TS]

01:52:43   filthy ok there's ok it's like it's like [TS]

01:52:46   in your fridge door where there's that [TS]

01:52:48   little compartment where you put it that [TS]

01:52:49   the butter zone if that's your favorite [TS]

01:52:52   zone and you spend a lot of time hanging [TS]

01:52:53   out in the butter drawer then that makes [TS]

01:52:55   a lot of sense [TS]

01:52:56   30 man i'm trying to figure out why none [TS]

01:52:58   of you have heard this term before that [TS]

01:52:59   but i have if i can teach one person to [TS]

01:53:02   love killing kill again in Miami [TS]

01:53:03   connection [TS]

01:53:04   you've done your job then there's no [TS]

01:53:07   hope for Humanity done enough damage [TS]

01:53:08   that's all right mr. dan is going way [TS]

01:53:11   way back into the pass for our earliest [TS]

01:53:14   selection so far [TS]

01:53:15   hi jason this is dan worse or at nerd [TS]

01:53:20   not is on twitter you PKA my fellow [TS]

01:53:25   incomparable fans diehard episode also [TS]

01:53:29   known as episode 17 is one of my [TS]

01:53:32   favorites [TS]

01:53:33   mainly because it helped me broaden my [TS]

01:53:35   definition of holiday movies after i [TS]

01:53:38   heard this episode back in December 2010 [TS]

01:53:41   I immediately added die hard to my [TS]

01:53:44   holiday watch list and later on i also [TS]

01:53:48   added some others including gremlins [TS]

01:53:50   which well it makes my family sometimes [TS]

01:53:53   confused [TS]

01:53:55   I love walking into that time of year [TS]

01:53:56   another big reason for me is that [TS]

01:53:59   episode 17 is sort of like the proto [TS]

01:54:03   holiday vault because after the lengthy [TS]

01:54:05   discussion on diehard it also broadens [TS]

01:54:09   into a discussion of holiday movies in [TS]

01:54:11   general covering 14 more movies before [TS]

01:54:14   they finish up the episode i also enjoy [TS]

01:54:17   that it's a it's a rare rated are [TS]

01:54:19   incomparable episode it's it's fun to [TS]

01:54:22   hear the guys totally unfiltered as [TS]

01:54:25   opposed to having to wait for a and [TS]

01:54:27   after dark [TS]

01:54:28   i'm also a big fan of the draft episodes [TS]

01:54:32   in general and as an early incomparable [TS]

01:54:35   episode this serves as sort of a [TS]

01:54:37   precursor to what we would later know is [TS]

01:54:40   a kind of the standard draft episodes [TS]

01:54:42   ultimately episode 17 leaves me with one [TS]

01:54:45   major question did Jason ever get around [TS]

01:54:48   to seeing home alone five hours of [TS]

01:54:52   entertainment and here's to hundreds [TS]

01:54:54   more i still haven't seen humming along [TS]

01:54:56   jason hasn't seen no oh man you don't [TS]

01:55:00   even know your own theme song then [TS]

01:55:01   that's not a different thing John to a [TS]

01:55:03   different reference [TS]

01:55:04   yeah totally not play with Jace but the [TS]

01:55:07   name of the game but it's not like 17 [TS]

01:55:09   references a hundred hours of [TS]

01:55:10   entertainment diehard yeah that was uh [TS]

01:55:12   that was before we were on five by five [TS]

01:55:14   and i just put a because because dan [TS]

01:55:16   Benjamin doesn't like like swearing in [TS]

01:55:18   the feet at all and for that episode I [TS]

01:55:20   just putting on the yeah yeah so the so [TS]

01:55:27   arm i put a little disclaimer on the [TS]

01:55:29   front of it that said hey this is an [TS]

01:55:31   r-rated movie and if you can't handle [TS]

01:55:32   the salty language then don't listen if [TS]

01:55:35   you've got people in around you you know [TS]

01:55:37   just little disclaimer alternatively [TS]

01:55:38   blasting as less as possible [TS]

01:55:41   yeah except honestly cannot discuss die [TS]

01:55:44   hard without swearing it's just not [TS]

01:55:45   possibly can't do it you can dance [TS]

01:55:47   around the pKa thing but no no discuss [TS]

01:55:51   it properly you have to fully unleash [TS]

01:55:52   the MF alright so we move on the better [TS]

01:55:55   their most let's stop here there are [TS]

01:55:57   more pics how many fans we have you [TS]

01:56:00   never know what you might find under [TS]

01:56:02   pick number 12 [TS]

01:56:05   hello my name is Frank program a [TS]

01:56:07   software developer from Seattle [TS]

01:56:08   Washington and i would like to draft [TS]

01:56:10   episode 67 Darth Vader's office is [TS]

01:56:13   really weird [TS]

01:56:14   this is a retelling of the Empire [TS]

01:56:16   strikes back you're telling me you could [TS]

01:56:18   reasonably have a review or anything [TS]

01:56:20   like that because it really is you can [TS]

01:56:23   shut your eyes [TS]

01:56:24   sit back and have the uncomfortable crew [TS]

01:56:26   scene-by-scene almost line-by-line tell [TS]

01:56:29   you everything I know about the Empire [TS]

01:56:31   striking back [TS]

01:56:32   it's really screwed audio from the movie