Ep. 231: “First Banana”
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hello hi John
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hi Merlin how's it going so good
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yeah so good so good are you at home
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no well what you mean by home base what
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do you mean by home base
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well two ways to think about a home base
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well I don't like that I'd like to talk
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about being out of the house and I'm out
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of the house so I can understand if you
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want to make something up two kinds of
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people in this world managed to do that
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no in fact i am back in my office how
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you got the internet i got the internet
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in the office that's such a good you
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know if you're going to do work on the
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internet it's nice to have the internet
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it really is on the person that came and
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finally fixed my problem for me said
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that my cfi t authenticators had been
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mislabeled as a RFQ I defibrillators how
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you know that's one of the things like
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corrupted fun it's the last place you
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that's right that's right response John
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he checked my fonts he reversed image
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search a lot of the the key key cues we
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probably had to reverse the polarity at
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least a couple of time are you getting
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any kind of depletion in your deuterium
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my deuterium was let me slay me just say
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it was for many rage it was there was a
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team of SAS commandos down the
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parachuted in to destroy my deuterium
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factory and they almost succeeded huh
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but then the then the bombs didn't work
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the the back door was had an extra
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padlock on it right now look at me very
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carefully your back door
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I tell a lot of people make intrusions
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also check your six if you know saying i
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do exactly i was about internet here for
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months and I asked them to refund my
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like to meet the demand satisfaction was
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the arkyd polarity problem something
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that they recognize their issue
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yes interesting so who's the crazy one
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now that's right who's the crazy one now
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that's right it was some kind of thing
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where they were they were sky think they
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were probably cleaning house let's say
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and they renamed things they went down
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in things that things that had no name
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the girl who had no name em the man
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without a face
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ok the eyes without a face our family
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friend it but all kinda horny I want
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talk into the wine
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nobody said somebody higher up said we
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need to clean up all this this you know
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this too if they hit a jumper ol who
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didn't roll em and they went in and I
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don't know they didn't they didn't
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recognize what it was they named it
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something that it wasn't and then they
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couldn't find it and this is this is not
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understand what you're saying this is
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this is a kind of error that that people
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make that I have made a lot where you
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think oh you know I just need to reset
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everything right you have to do this one
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thing and you don't realize you have
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really thought it through
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you know an example might be okay like i
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like i need to really redo the whole
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area near a TV because it's turned into
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a rat King just unplugging everything
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and then go like I don't know what goes
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with what now where to go where
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how was there one water left over Oh
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horrible feeling i saw an example
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somebody somebody post example i guess
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that the people who do trivial pursuit
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decided that they needed to clarify that
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km means kilometer and so they did this
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is this is the greatest cutting to mix
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keep John circus up and then they
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apparently they appear to have gone in
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and done a universal search and replace
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for the string km and so now Hugh
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Jackman his in Trivial Pursuit as huge a
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kilometer la we
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I love that's kind of a visual junkie to
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type it's really appreciate it yeah out
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here in the Washington km it we all
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recognize it as a as the kenworth brand
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really anyone kmfdm is turning against
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kmfdm i think was the art of noise oh
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dude don't don't know is that who did
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the dog song that beyond dreams that
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trio that they get da triage triage
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gonna get your father Mulcahy past i did
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thats that made me sad i did it did and
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it did I did I did 2016 just keeps taken
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from us John yea even still it's still
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feel man feeling better so yeah I'm not
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really concerned about him really just
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for a long time there in the mid-2000s
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mean it's not that I won't talk about
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Charles Manson I just don't care whether
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he lives or dies
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ok is it the distinction I for a long
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time in the mid-2000s i don't know if
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you remember but radar o'reilly remember
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the little hat radio radar o'reilly war
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you're the one who taught me that that
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is not a free-standing hat right that's
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that has an accessory to a helmet it's
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yeah helmet liner I didn't know that for
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cold weather but you put that in like
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you did attend helmet liner right tank
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helmet right and radar radar had it and
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then I don't I maybe this wasn't true
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where you lived because you live down in
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different climbs but in the in the in
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Alaska that was a hat that you wore if
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basically if your dad worked in a tank
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you know like that wasn't a hat that was
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a half that communicated a certain kind
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of like well communicate exactly the
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thing that radar radar O'Reilly was no
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no no one else on the cast of mash ever
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wore that particular hat the radar what
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I what I would like to sit describes the
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radar o'reilly hat and so you would see
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them in Alaska on people but it always
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was sort of always said the same thing
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you know like I work in a tank
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interesting if you were to wear that and
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not be attacked is that counts Stolen
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Valor a little bit if you don't I mean
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not the radar
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wear it because radar Peter lead he
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served and also probably like some tank
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guy threw it to him and said like like
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Mean Joe Greene throwing him is his
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it's probably a two part 91 series where
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he cries a lot about how I got that hat
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well I bet you're right something that
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big lights and I'm written by alan all
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the draft by Allah so it to thousands
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when all of a sudden that became the
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fashionable hat i've talked about this
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before it made me very upset i did not
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like that had on people didn't like to
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get on indie rockers and there was a
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particular kind of indie rocker that
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wore it that was like decidedly not
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someone who had worked in a tank huh
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but someone who was maybe still wearing
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like not still but like was wearing
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bell-bottoms but not hippy bell-bottom
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seeing it i don't know why i can't tell
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you why but I see it as in everything
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but the girl guy had ok you know running
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but the girl guy i dunno this isn't real
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second skinny remember do you have some
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weird disease i think he would wear a
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hat like that i could be misremembering
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yeah I am I'm going to say it was well
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the most egregious example of it the one
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that really upset me was I was a
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bonnaroo one year and Ben Folds who was
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wearing it and I was like Ben Folds come
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on what you reppin with that this is not
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your hat my friend why are you wearing
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my because there are a lot of it mean
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it's not like it's not a skate rat hat
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it's more of like I got these beads in
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Guatemala had except within the
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indie-rock context anyway I thought that
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plague was gone I thought that it had
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been eradicated but the last two days
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and well ever since I found out more
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than two days ever since I found out
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father Mulcahy died huh
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I've been seeing those hats everywhere
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and I don't think they're in tribute
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I think it's some kind of I think it's
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something weird you think it's real
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though you think it's not availability
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or sticky think it's really there you're
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seeing more radar o'reilly hats but well
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I don't I can't tell whether it's when
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you buy a Volkswagen do you suddenly
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volkswagen Hong Kong or is it there
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really are suddenly more of these back
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are you know are Millennials like
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discovering them again even though
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they're only 10 years old right or
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mashes and mashes fairly fairly hard to
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stream i think yeah to the amount and
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they probably don't know it exists and
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they definitely not put the asterisks in
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the name no know who matt at ya and
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confuse database do I that's another
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thing when I when I was naming my band
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after after about two years of the
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internet my mom came to me sometimes I
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want that one point she said if you ever
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have another band and decided to name it
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something consult with me first and I
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said what are you talking about i want
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you to have a band named that's
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googleable because she apparently spent
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a lot of time looking at like Laura
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Ingalls Wilder posts all right but it's
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a I do remember that tell the tale of
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the welders estate approaching you to
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get your as Colonel Potter to get your
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official okie dokie on using that name
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what is gonna match the sub-region
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switch which Colonel do you prefer
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Colonel Potter Colonel Blake that's a
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really good question you don't finish
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your anecdote what do I was in the
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middle of American I i think that was
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some of McLean Stevenson is best work
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and what's gonna surprise you
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I think McLean Stevenson was on
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therefore i think a total of two seasons
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maybe they're crazy it feels like it was
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about it so it's sort of like with Frank
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Burns one trapper trapper
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I mean trip was there a little bit
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longer well trapper and Henry left i
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think at the same time season to season
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two so the story i remember reading and
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I magazine i remember the specific
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phrase was that when Rogers was sick of
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quote-unquote being second banana ought
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to Alan all he wants to be the first
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why would that was like a banana
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everything right and can imagine how
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bumpy was like even imagine when they
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did the Trapper John MD medical drama
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anything was gonna call wayne no sorry
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Pernell Roberts
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but not interested Wayne which banana
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was he then the last Nana haha but you
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know I gotta say there's something
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special about the first couple seasons
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of mash because it's more in markets way
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less preachy I mean you know it got
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toward the end it got really bad and
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everything is we don't need it we don't
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need to cover the end
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well I mean do people know this John did
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they did they know that like after about
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1979 the entire Korean police action was
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I think two years in length
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yeah and that show was on TV for I think
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about 10 years we have 10 years
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yeah yeah but it was always a metaphor
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for Vietnam yeah like a romantic lay it
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was looking international romana clay
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but I i really like Colonel Potter and I
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loved his real mo i love everybody's
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relationship with radar but Colonel
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Potter was was sweet but you know like
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you need these things you gotta rock
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sand off everybody's edges like the
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whole point of Hot Lips in the movie in
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early seasons was that she was
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insufferable but you can't make me leave
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somebody insufferable for 10 seasons you
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gotta come little lovable right you know
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you gotta bring and then you bring in a
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Donald Penobscot you gotta have a
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Penobscot forget to pay the electric
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ok but i remember the name of colleges
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feel will you will you put I gotta have
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a Penobscot up on the big board what
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he's coming down here he's gonna see the
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big board haha hey that's good
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thank you gentlemen there's no fighting
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in the war room let me let me just say I
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think that a my sense of mash and its
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legacy is that the last season's colored
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it completely for so many people tell ya
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that it became you know I hear people
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talk about it like people talk about the
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Eagles like there was nothing redeemable
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about math and I'm like listen man I
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watched all 10 seasons of that show it
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only became awful i mean it trended
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awful for a while but well I mean it's
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the problem is like after so you get
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into like after burns left and they
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bring in Winchester which is a little
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bit of a record scratch because part of
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what made Larry Linda's camera
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the names right burn so interesting was
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that he was actually not a good surgeon
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it was interesting my friend my friend
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john patton I used to debate this all
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the time like is Winchester a good
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character because you know he's very
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dignified they can take the piss out of
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him up but he was a very good surgeon
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good for me i'm gonna say up until 76 77
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78 you know I think they were running
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out of brand new ideas so they had to
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like keep bringing back
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Hawkeye writes a letter to his dad they
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had to bring in the like oh let's act
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like everybody's being interviewed for
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for a documentary or like orphan korean
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boy who ends up being a just a
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irrepressible scamp gets adopted by the
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petitioner run the still
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that's right what does not help saying
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what's his name it's a check
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you know I'm not gonna work thing pong
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yeah i was something there was something
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low that we would consider let's be
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honest you know what we should not let
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us consider let's consider the last few
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seasons for the purposes of our program
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it's non-canonical we'll just we'll just
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gonna leave it out from agreed and I you
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know and I liked Charles Winchester the
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third HR but but you're absolutely right
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and i think probably making him a good
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surgeon it eliminated for them the very
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difficult ongoing difficult problem of
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the idea that that there was someone on
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the cast that was patching up American
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servicemen badly right interesting right
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that's a hard thing over time to it's
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one it's one thing to have an arch
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remark about kind of second-hand remark
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about Vietnam it's another thing to say
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that our boys are getting good service
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yeah right and and as as Alan although
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as the as this as the writing got more
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histrionic it's hard to take as a as
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like slapstick the fact that Frank Burns
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is doing a poor job right he's got the
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dunning-kruger problem what did you get
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Colonel Flagg well you know i love
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current flag i look forward to his him
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and and and allan arbus Moses character
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Sheamus is famous in movies a sigma chi
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minh cmas whenever whenever whenever
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special episode
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those were very special episode getting
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to the chicken I'm gonna split for ya
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gotta come flag is absolutely right out
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of dr strangelove alright so I mean
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that's a broad character that's meant to
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in the pre cata days like priests age
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like what we were learning about the CIA
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yeah yeah he's there to protect us
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against having our precious bodily
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fluids apt you didn't break his own arm
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at one point I do you know who he is
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g gordon Liddy oh he's Liddy your money
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you know what you getting for the lady
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yes yes and that actor was so good he
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was so committed i was i was explaining
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Watergate the other day
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o God who is the lucky recipient
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no no she she's been asking to very
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interesting questions lately but she has
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not yet gotten to the daddy can use
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plain Watergate to me and boy Richard my
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continued thoughts haha yeah one day she
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will say what you will explain the
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Pentagon Papers can i really keep
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hearing about this saturday night
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Massacre who was at work
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um no it was a it was my millennial
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girlfriend she wanted to know more about
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Watergate and so I gave you know I get
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yourself a sandwich get very tight 20
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minutes and and and I realized like
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Watergate the the like formative moment
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for for our entire generation and the
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generation that preceded us the thing
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that that the crime that gave its name
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to a thousand crimes now just seems like
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just in the lab its solar it's just in
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the last six months now seems like
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comically innocent who and and so yeah
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it was pretty enjoyable to go over there
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and respected so dumb because they were
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totally going to win the election
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oh no it's dumber than that Merlin they
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had won the election Nixon was already
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reelected but like so this is seven d3
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right anyway I haven't haven't boned up
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on Watergate in awhile but left while
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you want my hot 20 minutes is a no-no
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it's a matter of like here's the thing
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you don't hire a shark to be here's the
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thing this is the darkness my dr. Phil
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ism you don't hire a shark to be your
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babysitter because that's not what a
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shark is good at and can take the kids
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to the park right you did the thing is
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this organization that they had put
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together was so fucking weird and
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paranoid and so hungry for bizarre
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behavior that something like this had to
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happen and then once it had to happen
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then they had to cover it up and then
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they had to have all this other should
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come out about all the even weirder
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stuff that have been going on it's just
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that this particular shark had to kill
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there's nothing dude I'm saying
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sharks have to kill Merlin they do
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otherwise they can't swim backwards like
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this had something something this dumb
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had to happen not because of Nixon but
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because of the sick synergy of the
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people that he needed around him and
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knowing that that malignant combination
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of all those terrible broken
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personalities me especially like this
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Six energy like six sigma it's a synergy
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was one of my favorite baseball managers
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go cubbies that was not a ring for me
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that was a ring for the room
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oh that was that was a ring for the
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table it's like a pepperoni ok bring
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belt I listen
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yeah I don't want to talk about time
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ok I feel like that do you followed
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about you you're not on Twitter anymore
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now you know a jason it's gotten so hard
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there it's pretty rough there is a
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carrier there's a person who inhabits
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the character of Richard Nixon on
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Twitter and just does it very
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successfully so much so that I feel like
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I know Nixon and Agnew
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a-and I really look forward to his posts
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he comments on contemporary affairs with
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someone this was kind of like steve jobs
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were like you know it's like a fucking
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amateur hour look at these guys are
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doing right now that's a lot of what
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that Nixon persona does is that isn't
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exact off just like goals yeah are you
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yeah are you serious right now are you
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kidding me right now and then most of it
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is this is your idea of corruption act
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but but it makes me it makes me miss
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simpler times
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yeah me too get your ford there and then
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this guy over here
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yeah the soup a very scarring experience
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there occasionally I told you wrote a
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letter to Gerald Ford told you that
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story right yeah okay yeah I think we're
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pretty much out of stories at this point
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talk about mash who you and me
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ya know there's so many good stories to
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tell you talk about parenting people
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love that I don't even you know there's
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so many things I don't know about you
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Marlon town good what I what was your
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favorite year of high school beyond 490
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every year of high school was my
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freshman year of college boy that's a
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Merlin answer i think the most
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interesting and significant one the one
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that i romanticize the most is 10th
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grade because that was a really
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important year were had a lot of firsts
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and was a year that in my memory was
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filled with so much with so much sadness
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and but also so much contradictory stuff
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a lot of the a lot of the like the
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forces that led up to 10th grade
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there's 10th grade is what happened
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after 10th grade and 10th grade was it
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well as you said crucible that's that's
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where a lot of the story got cooked out
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but it was super fucking interesting the
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stuff that I was incredibly into in
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tenth grade whir whir whir disparate and
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contradictory in a way that is kind of
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amazing to me now so that when you join
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the Society of credit Creative
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Anachronism know it's a year into
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playing D&D but uh now but it was it was
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it's funny because my kids nine and
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she's growing up real fast and there's
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just there's a million things that I
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talked about a talk with other like my
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friend John Syracuse has daughter about
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the same age and has a son about the
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and it's really weird we think and this
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is not about parenting but it is really
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weird how each kid has a handful of
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things where they might as well be 60
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and a handful of things where they might
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as well to you and I i suspect that
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changes just by degree over time and so
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the tenth grade for me was a big year
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for that were like there are so many
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ways in which i was closer to being in
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sixth grade when I was to being an
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eleventh-grade you don't mean I was
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still I really was still very much a kid
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and still trying to struggling to just
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figure shit out so well for me i'm going
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to 10th grade because it was really into
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the WHO and Ozzy i still like I was kind
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of getting over rush i'm still matter
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rush about subdivisions but i like the
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weird mix of music and culture and I was
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still very pliable so that was that was
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you know that was the last interesting
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year of me being fucked up that's not
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true but anyway i'm going to how about
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you what's your favorite high school 11
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11th grade 10th grade was maybe my well
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let's see it's hard to pick a worst year
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of high school but but tenth was I mean
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exactly as you're saying what was your
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I should like embers I should know this
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so when you so you were always I want
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this i was always that was always old
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yeah right so I was always young and so
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it probably were probably talking about
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the same year of life right i mean you
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were right you we would have been the
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same age when I was intense than you
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were when you were intent on your lawn
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in 1981 so i was born in anyone know
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youre points74 tough enough for I can
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bestow your 168 what am I saying
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74 what are you confused i have a lot of
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friends named John uh-huh
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I in tenth grade I was like really on
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formed and just flailing and it was in
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tenth grade that I said it was the
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summer after 10th grade that I that I
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made my little list on my desk blotter
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right i was like this cannot go on you
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need to this is we decided to come big
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man on campus
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yeah you need to step up and so 11th
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grade was 11th grade was the one that
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was the one full of firsts for me you
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know first kiss first moment where
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someone or some peer recognized me as
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cool in some way you know like a job or
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what you know some that was some
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acknowledgement some senior said that
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was pretty funny Roderick and then you
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know spit in my milk or whatever but
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still like I've gotten a I was starting
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to starting to come into my own and I
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could look at myself in the mirror like
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it wasn't i wasn't a complete like human
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crater so-so 11th grade was it and then
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bye-bye 12th grade I had already had
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already squandered everything that I had
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earned an 11th and 12th grade I just
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want I just became an enemy of the
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people but the afro for a brief shining
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moment there in 11th grade I had it all
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I had it all by all you mean you had
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more than nothing
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well there was a little boy I was on a
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trajectory in 11th grade where where I
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started off the year with that there was
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still a lot of like a residual halo of
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loser around me and like there was my
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freshman year there was only one picture
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of me in the in the yearbook and it was
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a picture of me like in a black
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sweatshirt covered with dandruff and a
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panel like a very very greasy bowl
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haircut edge of suffer and Roderick
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occasionally for lunch like yeah the
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caption didn't even include my name home
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now it just said come on it can't be
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that's the only picture Lee in the
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freshman in my yearbook restaurants and
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I was flipping through the book and it's
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like somehow my normal picture didn't
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make it in there I wasn't in any clubs
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it was just this like it's just this
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picture like
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the chick it should have said definition
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oh and then 10th grade like I was in a
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lot of i was i was involved and stuff i
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was getting into it but I was like you
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like you're saying still six years old
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and I was the kid that like if if if two
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juniors were sitting on the couch at
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kissing each other I would walk by and
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go mm you know just didn't understand
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how to play it cool right
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but by so junior year when i first
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started there was a little bit of like
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there was quite a bit of uncool still
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stuck to me but i had i but I really
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cleaned up my act and all of a sudden I
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was what was i got elected to the
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Student Congress wow I was arts and
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culture editor of the school newspaper
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this all happened in the end of the
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beginning of junior year I must've been
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stuff you would not have even imagined
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here well but I wrote big man on campus
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on that desk blotter being on campus
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bmoc p.m. on that does blood and I was
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circled it and I was like I don't even
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know what that means but my dad says
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this all the time
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uh-huh and I'm gonna figure out what it
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means and it's gonna be me I had a
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girlfriend that didn't happen until
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after new years but even I was like I
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was talking to girls and they were
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absolutely telling me to go away but
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they were told me to go away with a
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giggle you know instead of with like a
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look of horror and what else oh and so I
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was writing for the school newspaper so
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people would come up to me and say like
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I really liked your article which
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shocked and amazed me and soullow you
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know I had a car all of a sudden Josh
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you know like it seemed and I was a
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member i was a member of my little gang
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there was a gang formed and I was a man
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i was a bona fide member of it not not a
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tag-along that's a tremendous amount of
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well it goes incredible I was like look
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at me I mean I my hair wasn't greasy
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I was a i cobbled together a wardrobe of
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crewneck sweaters and have you done your
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whiteout jacket yet
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oh that see that was the the jacket was
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senior year where where I lost the plot
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OIC oh so this year was a little bit of
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yeah because up because it in freshman
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and sophomore year I was the guy with
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the two alligators humping on his jean
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jacket and in senior year I had a
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floor-length duster trench coat with a
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whiteout skull and crossbones on the
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back it was just junior year when I was
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not I wasn't like fucking up at all i
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just had all I had on a crewneck sweater
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and a button-down shirt and top-siders
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and i was writing for the school
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newspaper and I had a girlfriend like
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you see the political it's this like
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yeah it seems like it seemed like from
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there anything could happen i could go
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to college this is so great that uses
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that phrase I fucking hate which is a
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someone I've really arrived I've always
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really dislike that for not always but
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I've come to really dislike that i'm
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always thinking like yeah you've arrived
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but how do you know how long it will be
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in until you're asked to leave
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yeah that's right could you stop
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arriving now could you go arrive
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somewhere else
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goal yeah arrive arrive elsewhere
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arrived at the exit
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yeah bye-bye senior year I was my hair
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was greasy again your Cinderella it was
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yeah that's right my by a carriage turn
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back into a pumpkin but by senior
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because it because in some sophomore
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year I was still I don't know somewhat
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pubescent right i mean i was not I
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wasn't pretty to look at and then senior
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year I was not present anymore i was
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just like a gross 17 years the grotesque
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I mean I was I was it was it was awful i
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was i mean i'm walking to think about it
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i'm a member of the trench coat mafia
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yeah i was the family remember the
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church that's right there was nobody
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so i don't know i look back at junior
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the thing is there were a couple of
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those right my the the first year after
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I quit drinking
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the first time I quit drinking I got
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myself into the University of Washington
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I grunge was happening all around us
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here in Seattle and I went straight and
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i cut my hair and I shaved off my
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scraggly beard and i put on my crew neck
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sweaters again and went to the
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University of Washington and I was so
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proud of myself because that was my
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dad's college and I'd gotten in
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I've gotten into the big school and I
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want and I am having having already been
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grunge for several years and now really
00:31:34
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cleaned up my act of her walking around
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the campus and seeing all the like
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students who were wearing grunge close
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and like practicing grunge as a
00:31:48
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lifestyle choice i was very contemptuous
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of them because i looked like i was i
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was really coming across very ll being
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but but I you know I've been in the shit
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and there was this real pulling me like
00:32:09
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at that point it was a pole like which
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way is my life going to go am I gonna go
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straight am I gonna be am I going to be
00:32:17
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successful am I gonna go to my uncle and
00:32:19
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asking for a job am I gonna be a u.s.
00:32:22
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senator am I going to be up you know
00:32:24
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grown-up person and I held i held the
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till you know like a ship was going into
00:32:34
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rough waters and I was i I was catching
00:32:39
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the wind and I just couldn't hold it
00:32:42
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I couldn't hold the there wasn't
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anything in it that I could find that
00:32:48
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worked for me you know i come how much
00:32:50
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of it do you think the the successful
00:32:53
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kind of stuff this wonderful word latin
00:32:56
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phrase I don't even know how to
00:32:57
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pronounce and anas anas miraculous
00:33:00
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healing right your miracle year now
00:33:03
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you've had a wonderful the miracle yet
00:33:04
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miracle year for your particular anise
00:33:08
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like do you how much of that do you
00:33:10
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think was not taking away how much of it
00:33:14
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do you think was dumb luck
00:33:15
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how much much of it do you think was
00:33:16
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like you successfully formulated the
00:33:19
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right potion for potions to have this
00:33:22
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this school year academic year mostly go
00:33:25
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well how much you think you got lucky
00:33:27
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I mean because it seems like that plays
00:33:29
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into it you have you might have just
00:33:31
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gotten Delta flush and didn't know do
00:33:33
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you mean junior year or so junior
00:33:35
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particular is junior here's the thing
00:33:36
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here's the one of the fuckin problems in
00:33:38
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this country in this world if I may say
00:33:40
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is that we instruct young people to see
00:33:44
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life as a series of arrivals that mostly
00:33:46
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get better and better at least in the
00:33:47
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prion the area before the millenniums
00:33:49
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like I think that's really think okay
00:33:51
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eventually you're gonna be old enough to
00:33:53
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walk to school
00:33:54
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bring a little bit older you get to go
00:33:56
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to an r-rated movie you know you can
00:33:58
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drive you can eat good collagen you know
00:34:00
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it's a series of arrivals and you know i
00:34:03
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don't think people or are naturally as
00:34:05
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prepared for the idea that those
00:34:07
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arrivals are not a guarantee of any kind
00:34:10
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of success it's it's an indication of
00:34:11
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not abject failure but like you can
00:34:13
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expect some serious downs alongside the
00:34:16
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occasional up for sure and I think what
00:34:21
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I think my junior year is much more a
00:34:30
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from the time that I first started going
00:34:32
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to see Jim Lindeman my family counselor
00:34:35
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and I've told you that story where we
00:34:39
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went as a family soon as i remember his
00:34:44
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idea was your mother
00:34:46
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uh my mom and my dad were trying to
00:34:48
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figure out yeah like how how we're going
00:34:51
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to solve our family dynamic and the four
00:34:54
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of us my mom my sister my dad and I all
00:34:56
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went to this family counselor and after
00:34:59
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a couple of months of going my sister
00:35:03
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who was pretty young to be this aware
00:35:07
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choose maybe maybe 11 somebody spoke to
00:35:15
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her in the room finally and she said
00:35:19
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I've been sitting in this family
00:35:23
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counseling for two or three months and
00:35:26
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no one has ever asked me a question or
00:35:28
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said a word to me so obviously whatever
00:35:32
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the problem is in this family it isn't
00:35:34
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mine and I don't want to go anymore to
00:35:36
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this and everybody i think was
00:35:38
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embarrassed by this because that was the
00:35:42
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the else in the room with you
00:35:44
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oh for sure and and and so and the idea
00:35:48
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being that that our family dynamic was
00:35:54
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was a problem nobody believed that that
00:36:00
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included them
00:36:03
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right like yeah and so then it was my
00:36:06
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mom and my dad and me going to family
00:36:09
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counseling for a while
00:36:13
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your dad was game for that oh yeah he
00:36:16
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was a my dad was really into psychology
00:36:18
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and he my dad and my mom had in the
00:36:25
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nineteen fifties I mean my dad had been
00:36:27
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seeing a a psychiatrist like a union
00:36:30
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►
psychiatrist in this in the fifties my
00:36:34
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mom and my dad signed up for LSD trials
00:36:36
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what in 59 my god and didn't do them for
00:36:45
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some reason but you know they were very
00:36:47
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curious about that stuff like a very
00:36:49
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exploratory anyway so we're sitting in
00:36:53
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family counseling everybody's yelling at
00:36:55
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each other about what a problem i am and
00:36:58
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►
a certain point my mom's stood up and
00:37:01
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►
said obviously david and john have a lot
00:37:05
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►
to work out and I don't it's not a very
00:37:09
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►
good use of my time to be in here
00:37:11
◼
►
listening to those two bicker and argue
00:37:15
◼
►
about what is obviously they're broken
00:37:19
◼
►
probably in a broken relationship so I'm
00:37:22
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►
not going to come to this anymore until
00:37:24
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some progress has been made and then
00:37:26
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there were two and then there were two
00:37:27
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me and my dad my dad and I continue to
00:37:30
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go CJ lindemann for another couple of
00:37:35
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►
months and then my dad said hey I can't
00:37:41
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make it no way i've got a big meeting in
00:37:46
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washington DC i'll see you next week and
00:37:49
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then never came again it was essentially
00:37:52
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just check it and no because I kept
00:37:56
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going ok so jam the family counselor and
00:38:00
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►
I continue to see each other for three
00:38:03
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►
years did the chanting of the mantle of
00:38:05
◼
►
yelling at you know general yelled at me
00:38:07
◼
►
up but Jan also was a family counselor
00:38:12
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or something like Jen never read
00:38:14
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►
realized there was never an
00:38:16
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►
acknowledgement that I was a teenage boy
00:38:17
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►
and I think it's some special help
00:38:19
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►
like like when I would say anything
00:38:23
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►
about a girl like I you know I love this
00:38:26
◼
►
girl or I have these I'm sort of having
00:38:29
◼
►
this problem with this girl can we
00:38:31
◼
►
change the subject
00:38:32
◼
►
she did not want to give me relationship
00:38:33
◼
►
advice oh that wasn't that wasn't
00:38:35
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►
covered by chance expertise i guess not
00:38:38
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►
or something I mean I'm still confused
00:38:39
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►
about it but when i was 13 14 years old
00:38:43
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►
15 that's all i wanted to talk about are
00:38:44
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►
you kidding me but but it always
00:38:46
◼
►
deflected we didn't that wasn't a thing
00:38:50
◼
►
we're going to we're gonna see ask but
00:38:55
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►
all of that that whole process really
00:38:58
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►
confirmed in me the understanding that a
00:39:02
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►
everyone in my family thought I was the
00:39:04
◼
►
problem be Jan didn't disagree that has
00:39:08
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►
the problems and uh and i had i was
00:39:12
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►
already convinced that was the problem
00:39:13
◼
►
personally so going into 11th grade i
00:39:20
◼
►
have this huge like shockwave right
00:39:23
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►
behind me of not just like a feeling but
00:39:29
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►
also i've been given the language to
00:39:32
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►
describe and had the had like the power
00:39:36
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►
of conviction of a whole group of people
00:39:37
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►
an army marching behind me that all
00:39:40
◼
►
agreed that I self-sabotage that i got
00:39:46
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►
in the way of my own self
00:39:48
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I intentionally took steps to impede my
00:39:55
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this was a this was a widely held belief
00:40:00
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►
in my clan that all I needed to do this
00:40:04
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►
is the other and even as I say them I i
00:40:06
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can put myself back in those Marv and
00:40:11
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taupe colored rooms with ferns all
00:40:14
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►
around us and hear this idea promulgated
00:40:19
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►
that all I needed to do was just do
00:40:24
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►
the thing that needed to be done I
00:40:27
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►
didn't need to do the other things that
00:40:29
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I did which was examined the logic of
00:40:32
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the thing that was being asked of me I
00:40:34
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didn't need to make the if somebody said
00:40:38
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draw this in two colors I didn't need to
00:40:40
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►
draw in 14 colors to show them I was
00:40:43
◼
►
better it could be i didn't need to you
00:40:47
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►
know I didn't need to argue with the
00:40:48
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►
premise I didn't need to
00:40:50
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►
it didn't need to write in the margins I
00:40:54
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►
didn't need to tell the teacher that her
00:40:55
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►
question wasn't relevant I did you all
00:40:57
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►
these things I just needed to get out of
00:40:59
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the way and just do the thing and the
00:41:02
◼
►
thing seems so simple to everyone else
00:41:05
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►
who if I could just do the simple things
00:41:07
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►
why couldn't he just do the simple thing
00:41:09
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and i couldn't i never could do the
00:41:14
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►
simple thing I didn't I i was so I mean
00:41:17
◼
►
half the time at least just so offended
00:41:19
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►
by the device
00:41:21
◼
►
yeah just so offended by how could any
00:41:24
◼
►
of you do this but going into 11th grade
00:41:27
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►
i said i looked at that BMOC written on
00:41:31
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►
the on the blotter
00:41:32
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►
uh-huh and I was like what do you do how
00:41:34
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►
do you how do you get to BMOC you know
00:41:38
◼
►
right now I'm LLC and what do you what's
00:41:45
◼
►
the transition and so I got started
00:41:48
◼
►
trying to do this thing you know get out
00:41:51
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►
of the way like don't if you if you
00:41:53
◼
►
finally managed to get a shirt with a
00:41:55
◼
►
crocodile on it don't so another
00:41:57
◼
►
crocodile on it now it's just you just
00:42:01
◼
►
that's right that just seems like you're
00:42:04
◼
►
just antagonizing people and you know
00:42:06
◼
►
like you can have the crocodile and
00:42:08
◼
►
disbelieve it you can have the crocodile
00:42:10
◼
►
and imagine another crocodile on it
00:42:12
◼
►
ok just don't know just don't go that
00:42:16
◼
►
extra step and almost you need to be a
00:42:18
◼
►
better editor of your behavior
00:42:20
◼
►
yeah yeah and-and-and it was because
00:42:22
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►
what did I want haha
00:42:26
◼
►
haha imagine you no no no don't even
00:42:32
◼
►
think Aaron t I was 10
00:42:36
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►
it was really important to look look
00:42:38
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►
listen I Prince Valiant punks
00:42:41
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nope I what I wanted was to get kissed
00:42:46
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►
I wanted to kiss i want to kiss i wanted
00:42:49
◼
►
to kill somebody I want to be
00:42:51
◼
►
did you also want to be special well I
00:42:54
◼
►
mean I'm putting a fruity way
00:42:56
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►
ok I'll only put in more punk rock way
00:42:57
◼
►
didn't you want to not be just another
00:42:59
◼
►
fucking drone that was not I i realized
00:43:02
◼
►
i think at that point that was no longer
00:43:04
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►
a risk I was never going to be I was
00:43:10
◼
►
never gonna buy it hook line and sinker
00:43:12
◼
►
I what I wasn't mentally or emotionally
00:43:14
◼
►
vulnerable in that way that I couldn't
00:43:18
◼
►
conform because it was not in my heart
00:43:22
◼
►
but I could but I could like start to
00:43:27
◼
►
recognize what we're to make my stand
00:43:31
◼
►
right to pick my battles who fight the
00:43:34
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►
don't you know don't sit and and lose
00:43:39
◼
►
that Lake lose the bat lose the initial
00:43:42
◼
►
battle of even getting your foot in the
00:43:44
◼
►
door because you show up wearing a
00:43:46
◼
►
double-knit suit that you got at the
00:43:48
◼
►
goodwill for at all you're getting in
00:43:49
◼
►
your own way
00:43:50
◼
►
ya like like I have free for the first
00:43:54
◼
►
couple years of high school I have this
00:43:55
◼
►
I had planted my feet somewhere on the
00:43:58
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►
topic of Levi's thing that we've
00:44:00
◼
►
discussed at length I wasn't gonna wear
00:44:03
◼
►
Levi's Levi's were trendy and i didn't
00:44:08
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►
know i was i was dumb I didn't know
00:44:10
◼
►
enough about anything but at that point
00:44:13
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►
in time you know super tight Levi's that
00:44:15
◼
►
had been ironed you know like people
00:44:17
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ironing their Levi's like I i did not i
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was going to wear Levi's I was only
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gonna wear like army pants and stuff and
00:44:24
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in 11th grade I said you know what
00:44:26
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whatever that was
00:44:28
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you spent two years fighting levis and
00:44:30
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what do you have to show for it
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levi's still exists all you have to show
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for it is that everyone in the school is
00:44:38
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wearing Levi's except you
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and no one cares like you haven't want
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anybody over to your where think way of
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thinking right no you haven't cooked
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collected a group of like a new army all
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wearing army pants and so I was like
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fine you know like i did i did some of
00:44:55
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that so in answer to your question like
00:44:57
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what did I have a string of good luck I
00:45:00
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might have that was right when i had my
00:45:02
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growth spurt so all of a sudden I was
00:45:04
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tall and that it couldn't have hurt sooo
00:45:07
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and my sense of humor had come in the
00:45:12
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same way that your mustache comes in
00:45:14
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although my mustache had not come in but
00:45:16
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my sense of humor had come in if you
00:45:20
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know right now you know that's good way
00:45:23
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yeah I was no longer like huh Chris yeah
00:45:27
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there's an atom bomb in your shoe
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you know I was I wasn't quoting a like
00:45:35
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stripes or Monty Python right anymore i
00:45:39
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was able to sit and and kind of like
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toss off little little quips that were
00:45:44
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fairly biting and that was the that
00:45:48
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scene i recounted earlier where a senior
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said it was pretty good one that was
00:45:53
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actual event a guy named his name was
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John I'm with the fuck was his name is
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he was a senior to my junior and I had
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always admired him he was the he kind of
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had a pockmarked face I mean he wasn't
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like beautiful but he was the real the
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real cut-up of the greatest enemy he was
00:46:18
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the bill murray who and oh I i really
00:46:21
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wanted his approval and one day stand in
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a group of people I you know I pulled
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out my my verbal derringer and hit
00:46:33
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somebody in the gun belt and what the
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fuck was his name John somebody-or-other
00:46:38
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welcome here
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he he he kinda like took a little bit of
00:46:42
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a little head check and was like huh i
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was pretty good you know and and it was
00:46:49
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it didn't feel like a like I'm kind of
00:46:52
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doing it in like it
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coach voice like hey nice job kid and
00:46:56
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then a little hand mussing the hair
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it wasn't like that it was like huh
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pretty good and then immediately he was
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like now I'm going to war with you
00:47:05
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because you have just demonstrated that
00:47:08
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you are the new threat to me and now
00:47:13
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you're you know you want to you want to
00:47:15
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play with the big dogs so it was it was
00:47:17
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a it was a tense moment but a great
00:47:21
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moment for me to have gotten his
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attention and then I did then we did go
00:47:24
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to war and eventually i prevailed
00:47:27
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huh well interesting because my sense of
00:47:29
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humor came in hard when it came in
00:47:33
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it all came in at once like a big
00:47:36
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mustache did it was just like hope and
00:47:40
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hope is that you guys seen John but I
00:47:43
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well yeah because I just had grown a
00:47:45
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foot in height and you know i had gone
00:47:48
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from being kind of put picked upon and
00:47:51
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you know pushed around and like hey hey
00:47:56
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John drink this type of treatment to a
00:48:00
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like but just just really quickly like
00:48:04
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nobody can get the better of me at least
00:48:06
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him in the didn't like the teenage way
00:48:10
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Wow hey John drink this oh you mean is
00:48:13
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that your mom you know like whatever
00:48:18
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when you're 16 years old like those that
00:48:20
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your mom and a cup and you know and it's
00:48:22
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just like you can say to that is that
00:48:25
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►
response to something like that i do is
00:48:27
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hang your head and go fucking bang your
00:48:29
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head on the locker because you just got
00:48:30
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schooled by your mom and a cup
00:48:33
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yes it's your first visit your first day
00:48:37
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yeah I had a friend tell me many years
00:48:39
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later he was like you were never you've
00:48:41
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never been as funny as you were in 11th
00:48:43
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oh god that's horrible to hear ya but
00:48:47
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he's an idiot so yeah what he meant was
00:48:50
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just that I was I mean because when my
00:48:52
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sense of humor came and I was also very
00:48:54
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i had been i had been abused and so I
00:48:58
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was pretty vicious here Carrie yeah
00:49:01
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right yeah didn't ask for it but you
00:49:04
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shut up and you gotta power
00:49:06
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yeah I gotta power all of a sudden and
00:49:07
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now there's going to be a reordering so
00:49:10
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i know i have never been as bad as i was
00:49:12
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an eleventh-grade being a nice teacher
00:49:14
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is going to save you
00:49:15
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mmm tell you what when did your sense of
00:49:18
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humor come in
00:49:20
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well it's the sense of humor at ets my
00:49:24
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own phrase now um I mean I had a way of
00:49:27
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like blurting out lots of stuff but I
00:49:28
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was always a terrible editor
00:49:30
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►
wait a minute while I came to embrace it
00:49:33
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►
later but you know i'm going to reject
00:49:37
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this line of questioning because your
00:49:39
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laughing not a good but now i'm laughing
00:49:42
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in the best possible way sense of humor
00:49:46
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can I mean you know you're gay so like
00:49:47
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there's there's like I'm not to dissect
00:49:49
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►
this too much but there's the like you
00:49:51
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develop a personal sense of what's funny
00:49:53
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in the world you develop the ability to
00:49:56
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say things that make people laugh as
00:49:58
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against the the true meaning which is
00:50:00
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like you you see the tragedy of life and
00:50:04
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how it plays out in ways that can be
00:50:06
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I don't think I got the last one I mean
00:50:09
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not still so I have it but i don't know
00:50:11
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i got funny things I would like to
00:50:14
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►
imagine in my head that I was bullied i
00:50:15
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was very lightly bullied
00:50:18
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I mean I was bullied the way every kid
00:50:19
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was bullied that that's something these
00:50:21
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kids they don't understand is that
00:50:22
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everybody lived in fear at a certain
00:50:24
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point it's true
00:50:25
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um I mostly from emotional i mean the
00:50:29
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►
teachers everybody like it was just
00:50:30
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awful it was just awful to be a kid at a
00:50:32
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certain point but on and I i suspect
00:50:34
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►
like a lot of people who regard
00:50:36
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themselves correctly or not as funny for
00:50:38
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me that was a kind of defensive thing
00:50:40
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and I think it the the kind of like John
00:50:44
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Rother Kim you're describing their that
00:50:46
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started probably in 8th or 9th grade
00:50:48
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mhm because the thing is it's like her
00:50:50
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more first moved to San Francisco so
00:50:52
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spend a lot of time sitting in my friend
00:50:54
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Michaels place and I said to park my
00:50:56
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rental car at like McAllister and and
00:50:59
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fillmore which is looking very very
00:51:03
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doing donuts shooting guns sort of
00:51:05
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intersection over by the fillmore i mean
00:51:07
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it's it's pretty rough I mean there will
00:51:09
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be lots of gunshots in the night and and
00:51:11
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►
this is probably just ignorance but i
00:51:12
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would always remember thinking I would
00:51:14
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park and I would walk past lots of
00:51:17
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that if I had any sense I'd probably be
00:51:18
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scared of but I always felt like a
00:51:20
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non-combatant I always felt like I had a
00:51:23
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white cross on my head a little bit or
00:51:25
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that like I was like an npc I was not
00:51:27
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really in this particular game of the ND
00:51:29
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►
an example ensure they would have
00:51:30
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treasured but I was like I was not like
00:51:33
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but you know if it was exactly the same
00:51:34
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►
person but black i think i might have
00:51:35
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gotten more hassle and I think in eighth
00:51:38
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grade I was I'd like you maybe I did not
00:51:40
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►
register very much with people i was
00:51:42
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►
just just another dork
00:51:44
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►
yeah and then 9th grade was the
00:51:46
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►
beginning of kind of starting to feel
00:51:47
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those oats a little bit more and in some
00:51:50
◼
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ways like when you are really just an
00:51:52
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►
anonymous dork i might be getting this
00:51:54
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►
wrong but I think when you're just
00:51:55
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►
anonymous torque you're not really as
00:51:57
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exposed you know you if your profile
00:52:00
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goes up a little bit that's when you get
00:52:02
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exposed and that's when you run into
00:52:03
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like more concentrated trouble from
00:52:06
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that's right that's exactly right but I
00:52:07
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like I've still never been in a fight in
00:52:09
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►
my entire life
00:52:10
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I don't want to start well you know I i
00:52:12
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►
I've been in a couple of fights I've
00:52:14
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►
made my first but I've heard you made
00:52:17
◼
►
you need a it's a religious very
00:52:19
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►
uncomfortable a couple years ago talking
00:52:21
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►
about one of these incidents
00:52:22
◼
►
haha you know I don't like to make our
00:52:24
◼
►
listeners uncomfortable i want to i want
00:52:26
◼
►
them to feel bathed yeah in a in a warm
00:52:29
◼
►
chalice by you need like your favorite
00:52:31
◼
►
uncle you look forward to seeing every
00:52:33
◼
►
year in anything talks by Hitler for two
00:52:34
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I'm coming their heads and and you're
00:52:37
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►
just pouring like pointment on there
00:52:40
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►
yeah now however I never thought to be
00:52:43
◼
►
honest I I think I don't think I even
00:52:47
◼
►
ever experienced that much physical
00:52:50
◼
►
friction it was much more emotional and
00:52:53
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►
a lot of it was visited upon myself a
00:52:55
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lot of it was there's no fucking way
00:52:56
◼
►
anybody is going to see my dick in this
00:52:59
◼
►
locker room also not saying don't just
00:53:03
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►
the showers no thang that was one of the
00:53:05
◼
►
most like debilitating i'm just being
00:53:08
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►
straight up here like shower down again
00:53:10
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►
and here like sharjah Wow shower down
00:53:15
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yeah that's right i forgot about that
00:53:17
◼
►
but the you know in Buddhism to call the
00:53:21
◼
►
second arrow is the area you get shot
00:53:23
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►
with and there's the area shooting
00:53:24
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yourself and for me like a lot of the
00:53:27
◼
►
things that I dreaded the most certainly
00:53:28
◼
►
there were things like I
00:53:30
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I'm about to get bullied by this guy and
00:53:32
◼
►
I really don't want to walk by where I
00:53:33
◼
►
know he's gonna be and that's the thing
00:53:35
◼
►
you think about all fucking day but then
00:53:37
◼
►
was also like I'm just dreading third
00:53:40
◼
►
I just the entire thing of having to see
00:53:42
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the naked people having to like you know
00:53:46
◼
►
you can make people be but it was I was
00:53:48
◼
►
it's just a weird thing that can make it
00:53:50
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►
anywhere i don't care but like back then
00:53:52
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I was just I was terrified of that and
00:53:56
◼
►
that's kind of thing I mean let's say
00:53:57
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►
what you will what that says about me
00:53:58
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►
but I just think about that all the time
00:54:01
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►
yeah well right i got i took addy in gym
00:54:05
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►
rather than get in the shower
00:54:07
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►
barek it's barbaric our showers were
00:54:09
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►
like a big not big I mean they were like
00:54:12
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►
a hexagon the size of a walk-up phone
00:54:14
◼
►
booth and there would be just likes and
00:54:16
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►
I mean things to be honest I don't think
00:54:17
◼
►
this is this is not the apparent home of
00:54:21
◼
►
hate that word it's so abuse it's not
00:54:25
◼
►
that I was worried about being gay
00:54:27
◼
►
it was I was worried about having a tiny
00:54:29
◼
►
tiny dick and no body hair and I was
00:54:32
◼
►
worried more I was less of the obviously
00:54:34
◼
►
today the millenniums are gonna hit and
00:54:35
◼
►
go oh well obviously you had the nice
00:54:37
◼
►
and homophobia of the nineteen eighties
00:54:38
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►
no it was not it was that I was really
00:54:42
◼
►
underdeveloped even it is especially in
00:54:44
◼
►
my own eyes I think I was probably
00:54:45
◼
►
pretty normal but like boy was that ever
00:54:48
◼
►
something I did not want anybody else to
00:54:50
◼
►
for me it was i was fat ah you know I
00:54:54
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►
was eighth grade yeah I had I have a gut
00:54:57
◼
►
I was Joey I was I had lots of baby fat
00:55:00
◼
►
well then that was another guys there's
00:55:02
◼
►
other guys that look like Roger Starbuck
00:55:03
◼
►
it's like this is not fair
00:55:05
◼
►
this guy's already balding he's got hair
00:55:07
◼
►
everywhere yeah yeah that's not fair and
00:55:10
◼
►
just the I mean I when I look it's the
00:55:12
◼
►
classic thing right you look back at
00:55:14
◼
►
pictures of yourself and like what I
00:55:16
◼
►
look great what was I so worried about
00:55:17
◼
►
look fine i don't look broken by life
00:55:20
◼
►
yeah but I was you know I was very
00:55:22
◼
►
worried that I was chubby it didn't even
00:55:25
◼
►
occur to me i think i think it didn't
00:55:29
◼
►
occur to me that penises had different
00:55:31
◼
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sizes for a long time
00:55:34
◼
►
yeah because when someone was naked
00:55:36
◼
►
around me i averted my eyes
00:55:38
◼
►
so immediately that I had you know I've
00:55:40
◼
►
been in locker rooms I've never seen a
00:55:42
◼
►
penis you're embarrassed for every
00:55:43
◼
►
aspect of what's happening but just
00:55:45
◼
►
obviously some guys that are much more
00:55:46
◼
►
into it than others
00:55:48
◼
►
well Jon Beason with the guys who got
00:55:50
◼
►
like the guys are used to being naked
00:55:52
◼
►
and who have like tons of secondary hair
00:55:54
◼
►
because they've been through puberty
00:55:56
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they're walking around cock-of-the-walk
00:55:58
◼
►
well i think that the computer sports
00:56:00
◼
►
person and you're physically capable on
00:56:02
◼
►
the sports field
00:56:04
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►
yeah you carry with you a kind of body
00:56:07
◼
►
comfortability of like a fucking easter
00:56:10
◼
►
parade for you
00:56:11
◼
►
this is this is the room you're in all
00:56:12
◼
►
the time you understand how things work
00:56:14
◼
►
in this room and your kind of the
00:56:16
◼
►
defacto like prime minister of nakedness
00:56:19
◼
►
yeah if you if you can throw football
00:56:20
◼
►
the way down the field who cares whether
00:56:22
◼
►
you have a gun or not yeah because this
00:56:24
◼
►
is your yeah right you're right they
00:56:26
◼
►
don't look scared whereas I I looked I I
00:56:30
◼
►
probably smelled scared yeah I was it
00:56:32
◼
►
scared yeah yeah well and I think again
00:56:35
◼
►
back to that transition into 11th grade
00:56:37
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like I had already ninth-grade tenth
00:56:41
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►
grade I had made my world with the nerds
00:56:44
◼
►
like the the kids that sat at the edge
00:56:48
◼
►
of the lunchroom the D&D years the the
00:56:51
◼
►
Monty Python errs like I was I'd made my
00:56:55
◼
►
bones with them and but it was in there
00:57:00
◼
►
in that circle that I felt I felt going
00:57:07
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►
into 11th grade like is this is this me
00:57:10
◼
►
am I going to hide out here in this am I
00:57:14
◼
►
gonna hide out in the corner of the
00:57:15
◼
►
lunch right are you staying overnight or
00:57:17
◼
►
is it going to be like where you live
00:57:19
◼
►
mi is this me now am i throwing dice the
00:57:21
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►
rest of my life and I remember that
00:57:22
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feeling yeah because this isn't me like
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I'm over here because I feel safe here
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and accepted here but i i'm i'm not i'm
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not going to double i mean i remember
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sitting with a friend and he was taking
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metalworking classes and he was very
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very excited about being able to use the
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because and then he opened his notebook
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and here were very very detailed
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drawings of the broadsword that he was
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going to forge Wow and I was both
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intrigued by like whoa you're going to
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forge a broadsword that's pretty badass
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like tell me more
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but also a recognition that up at
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forging a broadsword does not bode well
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it just in that a broadsword is not a
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useful implement now we don't use them a
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lot and 221 in that way but not as a
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like I I'm gonna buy one and put it on
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the wall but like I am going to forge
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one in the furnace of Mordor
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yeah it was i I mean believe me I lived
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in that fantasy place a lot walking home
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from school imagining that I was being
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gifted magic power is conjuring in orbit
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I was conjuring orbs right and left but
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i also saw that contemporaneous with us
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there were people who were preparing for
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a life in the world or even I mean yes
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but also just even like trying to buy
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beer like there overnight stay was years
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ahead of ours that whatever whatever
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dumb shit they were doing with vandalism
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or like you know you don't mean but
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there were like these levels of like the
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dumb way stations the truck scales you
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have to go through to get to the next
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thing and like even though you might
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recognize that as like this is dumb kid
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behavior you're still doing like really
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younger dumb kid behavior or four-door
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dorkier well yeah I mean yeah I was
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playing with GI Joes in the bathtub
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while people not maybe my own age but my
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own grade certainly were actually like
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having sex with each other not just
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making out and going to second base and
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lightest they hadn't they were all the
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HM move in on and i was like wow
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depends on fire about time being in the
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shit i was fucking deep in the shit and
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so it was it was connect conscious
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go out of where I felt comfortable and
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safe in a place where
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safe in a place where
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you know i was able to live i was able
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to be comfortably in fantasy and move
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into this terrible terrible world where
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people were going to where people off
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like a big part of of how that world
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discriminates is by starting with the
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premise that they don't want you like
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you're somebody like me who was not like
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as a hero yet
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well there's there's there's better and
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more interesting people than you who are
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that's the right thing here isn't it
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isn't a 0 or a 1 I mean there are there
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a lot of people there were a lot cooler
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than you that we're still not going to
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make it still not going to make it and
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you know you're really screwed
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so how did I achieve how did how did how
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did I achieve enough velocity not only
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to penetrate but of course I was not
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once i was headed that way I wasn't
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going to be content until I was in the
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center because you're gonna be the BMC
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water that's right that BMOC is not like
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big assistant man on campus
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mm it's not big sidekick on campus I
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wasn't gonna be somebody else's sidekick
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you working on second banana I wasn't
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gonna be second but you know what all do
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you give me the first banana that's
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right i'm going to write and direct this
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episode booth and it's going to be about
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me saving a little Korean boy named top
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hat birds is trying to read in the Bible
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anything is that that's kind of true now
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to you know like I'm I'm adjacent to
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this world of Hollywood comedy actors /
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and in the same way that you for a long
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time have been adjacent to Silicon
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Valley and you know I look at that world
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all the time down in Hollywood a lot now
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and I'm sitting around in a cafe and I'm
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looking around the room like
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why do I hate everyone in this cafe oh
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they're all working on the screenplay
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like everyone in here is either meeting
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with someone that they hope will option
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there screenplay or you know they're all
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working they're all like just striving
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yeah to do a thing that they you can
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almost just look around and say like Oh
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clearly this isn't gonna pan out for you
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but there's a version of where i am now
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that feels like I'm I've been safe in my
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in this place that I built for myself
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but am i prepared to go down to
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California and you know and cold call
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joel mchale they say hey don't you know
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and you just you you're embarrassed at
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the prospect of it like hey Joel I'm in
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town I don't really have any good ideas
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but I was hoping that I could like ride
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on your coattails call me back
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there's so so many of those calls and
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emails I don't make where the thought
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goes through my head and I'm just like
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wait stop this turns out great how ya
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around for like you know I mean I'm
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acquainted with Chris Hardwick
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I'm i'm not super good friends with
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crisp but like and this is from a time
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when you know maybe I was more famously
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with less famous but we were acquainted
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yeah we talked about things and you know
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and play at the idea of doing things
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didn't think sometimes and like thing as
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time passed and like he's got like you
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know real big and real successful stuff
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and like they're still sometimes like
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we'll have exchanged the when people say
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you should get on cav Chris you should
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ever on your show and I don't hide under
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a rock and I'm just like no please don't
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make it so he even has to like consider
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that it makes me it makes my insides so
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uncomfortable when that happens just not
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that's not shame it's just more like I
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don't like I don't like even
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inconveniencing people with ideas and no
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ideas way something
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Yeah right right I I that this happened
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the other day i was down in LA
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there was a sold-out show at the gallery
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don't be happening to me Hollywood
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what's up jolie jolie with that girl i
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met she has seems to be doing a lot of
01:04:19
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movies what's her name i was done LA and
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and Patton Oswalt was playing at Largo
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and I said oh I'd like to go to that
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show and it was sold out and I said well
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known as sold-out doesn't matter to me
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daddy it John Rocker yeah I know I know
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everybody in largo they are you know
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they largo the largo accounts Dave's my
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Instagram posts like I've never even
01:04:51
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more tempting to cut something out
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I'm really up here haha that the
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Instagram account for largo huh yeah the
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Instagram account for largo faves my
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shit all the time so this shouldn't be a
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yeah cute maybe going on your foot
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I'm just gonna take me that damn
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standing at the front door like I know
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the shoulder shows sold out but check it
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out you guys have like to my last seven
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posts all the things I know everybody
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that works there right i mean and I'm I
01:05:17
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don't live in LA but I'm there I played
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a lot of shows there there's not a lot
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of turnover in the people that run the
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yeah and so and I know we're all friends
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and some cheering up i'm not i'm not
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like I'm not like here we go here and
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i'm just sitting i'm sitting in a
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picture just because you have not done
01:05:36
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any prep work here your plan is to show
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up then just kind of walton that's right
01:05:40
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ok and not just show up and Walt it but
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show up with people I'm Alton and I'm
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sitting there and I'm thinking i'm doing
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i'm running a merlin mann on and I'm
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like what are the potential outcomes
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here let's just run through this like
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I'm not somebody that if I show up at a
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place with a bunch of people and I get
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I'm not especially embarrassed by that
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because because it always is like well
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give it a try right let's go across the
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street and eat blintzes or whatever you
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know like I'm I he can't you're not
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going to like or a bucket over my hand
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but as I SAT there i thought this exact
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thing you're describing
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why give my good friends at largo any
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memory of ever having turned me down for
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a thing like right now right no one
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there has ever turned me down
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why why risk even establishing the
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notion in anyone's mind that i'm in a
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category people that get turned down for
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things and I know what that's somewhere
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in my mind I've never really quite put
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my finger on it but you're right that's
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i don't i don't want this enough to live
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with what the no means ya to take to put
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to do on your own put a black mark next
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to your name and it's not a black I mean
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so what that would mean but it looks
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like that's it that's account
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accompanied by the noise oh yeah right
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what that would mean is now I'm on a
01:07:12
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list of somebody that gets in to some
01:07:15
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shows some times if it's not that big of
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and right now because I decided not to
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go right and I told the people i was i
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was planning on taking let's do
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something else
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yeah scan was good lenses what that
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means is that i'm not a person that gets
01:07:34
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turned down for a patton oswalt show
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that's been sold out for a month right
01:07:39
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time I can't find negative that's right
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i'm not on that list I very well might
01:07:45
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be somebody that could have gotten into
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that show sure nobody's with it being
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any different
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yeah and that's you know that's a big
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actually falls apart if you test your
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dick haha that's a big way of running
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your Hollywood game slow march but but
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but i do feel sometimes like em I not am
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I not pushing myself hard enough like
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shouldn't I be
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I'll just the word audition makes me
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want to sit in the bathtub with a bowl
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of macaroni and cheese I have some
01:08:20
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counseling on this and I have some
01:08:22
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thoughts on this
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let me hear well first of all my another
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admission along this is that and this
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sounds like some kind of weird like I
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don't know we're sending a little bit
01:08:30
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robert evans at this point but um
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you have done better if you follow him
01:08:35
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on twitter but it is i'm really a lot of
01:08:36
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fun i do follow him
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boy he's here yeah great he's a hundred
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and five now
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yeah yeah I could sit for the paths see
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listen this is living in the house jack
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nicholson ba living in his house the
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Jackals block when I bet your ass is
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what is like there's sometimes we're
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like you know first of all I'm from Ohio
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and I don't really talk to people and
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I'm not really good at keeping up with
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people and so like anytime I'm like keep
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going to like catch up with somebody I
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always find myself like doubting or
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questioning like why I'm doing it which
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is so terrible
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like what I just keep up with everybody
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but i think i'll guide people are busy
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and they're gonna think I want something
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and like there's another I'm talking
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about like all my friends this is why I
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don't talk to any of you
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it is like I just goes to my mind it's
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like I look if this goes well and what's
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gonna happen like we're gonna have
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planned something that all don't have
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time or resources to do and like I just
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go through that but you know i'll say is
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this is that like if that's something
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you actually want to do not to use the a
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word here but if you'd like to be in
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the only thing I could think of that
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does help is to first set your mind the
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fact that you're gonna do that and then
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make it easy on other people
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I think it's really different from
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showing up at the door and saying like
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you know him a friend of pattern or
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whatever you know and that's that's
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needy but like if you have a thing where
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you can actually sounds like stupid
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networking I don't mean it that way but
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if you have a way where you actually
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could be useful for something for
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somebody else like that's that's not bad
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thing you're not asking for anything but
01:10:11
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your luck favors the well-prepared like
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if you're ready like you got to be ready
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to like say talk to a producer who that
01:10:18
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person has to convince you should be at
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do I'm saying yeah well and this is that
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that but now we're talking more about
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commitment and you realize how much of
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this you really want when you start
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thinking about what's involved
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yeah my problem is that I always feel
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like I have I always feel that i offer
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utility to every situation sure right
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like like guy the MSD yeah i'm not
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showing up there with a with a bouquet
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of flowers and a bottle of champagne
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the bouquet of flowers in the bottle of
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champagne is me because the other
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problem is that trying to teach my
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daughter this with the cat because the
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cat has a in the 11-month sleep at her
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she's really warmed up to the family
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she's still a hideous monster but she's
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become in her way for a ten-year-old cat
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she's become kind of affectionate just
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in the sense that like she likes to be
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petted at certain times in certain ways
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how much hair does she have right now is
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shaved i'll send you pictures a
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monstrosity there something I'm trying
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to teach my wonderful daughter which is
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that with the cat with the cat it's all
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about building up way more trust than
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you think is reasonable or certainly way
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more trusting is fun so like a lot of
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times when you feel like petting the cat
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don't pet the cat is rightly because
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leave the cat alone and get really wants
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that the cat will come to you now if the
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cat does come to you I'm just gonna tell
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you like mom and I know this like here's
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a couple places and ways that the cat
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likes to be scratched you can scratch
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the back of the cat's neck right here
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forever and she'll be very happy if she
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likes that you can put a little bit an
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urgent and it makes it really because
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what you don't you don't walk up to the
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cat pick up the CAC turn her around do a
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dance put on your lap and then start
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like scratching her like on her
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underside because that doesn't build
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trust that build suspicion like mom and
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I got to the point where we can scratch
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the cat on the neck because we figured
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out that's what she likes and we don't
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we don't mess it up too much and like
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I'm not sure exactly what the messages
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for you getting into dan harmon's TV
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unlike you I'm saying here is only yeah
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that to me is like just keep your
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personal credit good
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yeah in that way like don't fuck it up
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with something stupid because every time
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you try to scratch the cats but because
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it's cute like that makes the cat trust
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you less and and the cat didn't really
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get strapped scratched you can get to
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scratch the cat and all that's really
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changes your relationship I I feel like
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about the ship has already sailed in
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being in Dan Harmon's production
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have you ever had to follow up with him
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no no and uh you know I don't think that
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he feels like it's his job to help that
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are wonderful fans
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had missed very few opportunities to
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make this into an unnecessarily
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oppositional thing with Dan Harmon yeah
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they really had that has not helped
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hey Dad check it out using an arm and
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stolen idea for now we get what
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check it out man i just bet you're still
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mad Dan Harmon like no one cares stops
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now that stop scratching the cats but
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uh you know like how to scratch the cat
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i think that should go up on the big
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ok i'll put it up here that was great
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cast your other one the one the other
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one you don't think somebody'll tweet at
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yeah I yeah I I mean all those things
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it's a ultimately it's the big question
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do I i yes I do yes I do what I'm
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supposed to get past perfect not
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currently the big question is do I
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answer is yes I do yes I do no king but
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do I i miss the context for them but I
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do I why why yes i do you do to my son
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do you bet your ass I can be certain of
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one thing today
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that's what that's gonna do it I'm gonna
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do yes I do if your impression of Tom
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Oh tired so much Randy new business oh
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ok with quick for my still sitting a
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good unit to continue to make me blue do
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i do i do that do you do it is why you
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yes I do that's it that's the whole game
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take it very well stop right there