Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► thanks John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► super good [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► you sound good yeah thanks I'm [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► broadcasting live from Venice California [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► you sound like you have good internet [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► oh that's good you sound clear you sound [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► like you're in a Cathedral [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► oh well you know what it is i think i've [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► got a little natural reverb it's it's [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► got a nice it's got a nice crisp report [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► to it [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► well a crisp report em like this I like [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► that sound good [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► like the short happy life of Francis [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► Macomber that'sthat's to know that the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► abortion one that's not like elephants [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► em down [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► I maybe i'll try on this episode maybe [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► all of you know trying to sound good you [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► talk about your gonna try on your end [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► so I some performance i think is we [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► could take that as a red right now right [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► now I'm always here i got i'm in the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► moment [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► yeah but yeah you people don't like when [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► they can hear me typing I think my [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► typing has gotten louder with cow kamap [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► be well you know i'm not using my [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► keyboard i'm using mine on keyboard but [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► a little bit of a stay inside baseball [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► and sometimes you know i'm writing [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► things down that you said that with a [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► friend told me no no clicking I love the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► electronic lifestyle now [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah i mean this is that would you tell [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► panhandler you accept a bit clean but [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► you know I'm putting the show together [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► while the show's having everything that [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► happens on the show is on the show yeah [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► that's true [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► thank you as I said when I just typed [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► you I said there might be some [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► electronical troubleshooting but you [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► know that always makes for a great radio [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► great radio so you're in Venice what [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► well it's cold here my office is 63.9 [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► degrees that's insane well sometimes if [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► i run the dehumidifier heats it up a [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► little bit yeah it's the middle of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► winter why should be cold [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► yeah I i live a very primitive modern [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► life so like my office without saying [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► too much i have a heater but it's kind [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► of on the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► their side of the office and it doesn't [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► really reach me so it mostly really [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► heats up the area right by the door I'm [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► not have you tried a space heater [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► I i haven't I I feel like they might be [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a dangerous scam m.o interested but I [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► don't know that's one of those things [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► where I feel like I need to really read [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► up on it because it reached that age in [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► life worry about electricity [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► well let me let me just save you a [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► little bit of that reading up [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► okay thank you there's a kind of space [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► heater which is effectively like a [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► radiator like a like a like and a water [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► radiator then let's take a look at [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► accordion [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► yeah it looks like a big accordion and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► inside is some sort of lift fluid times [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► i'm guessing you know a some sort of [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► whale oil [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► hmm but it's completely sealed within [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and then the electrical element just [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► heats up the liquid and it radiates just [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► like a radiator but it's a kind of [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► saying second-order heat it's not that [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► kind of heat where you get basically [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► like a big hair dryer doesn't scare me [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► it's not that crazy dry heat there's no [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► there's no element of it where if you [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► knocked it over it would catch paper on [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► fire [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it's just a big tall you know it's just [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► a big sort of metal accordion that just [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► sort of being you know radiates this [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► very comfortable already mitigated heat [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► it's already been mitigated by the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► Hollywood and love mitigated heat [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► yeah exactly I i want to end the phrase [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► I like a lot that i use occasionally I [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► want to take the edge off [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► I don't need the place to be hot right I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► just needed to be less cold i think [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► there's a difference [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► so this is a very much the edges way off [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► of this heat I have one that I use in [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► you've been to my home and you have [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► there is a you know there's a there's a [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► secondary wing what I you know what I [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► call the other way and that wing when I [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► first moved into the house is like the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► room under the stairs yeah but this is [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► the room next to know the room under the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► stairs doesn't qualify as a wing because [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► it's just one more part of the part of [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► the thorax [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► yeah that's right it's it's in the house [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► because the wing is the is the room [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► adjacent to that which is like not part [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► of the house you open the door and you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► go in and there's a whole other world in [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► there so that room but that sometimes if [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► it's not in the thorax [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► it's not benefiting from the nation heat [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► of the of the birdhouse are pretty small [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► right the when that when that win was [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► added to the house the furnace the the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► hvac hookup was also added afterthought [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the plumbing was at in it and every time [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► I let something go down the sink [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► let's say I imagine the way I imagined [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► the way it must travel all the way back [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► to where it goes into the city drain you [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► know however I never used to think about [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► these things and I think I think about [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► all this is something your family I feel [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► like it was somebody in your family for [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► generations back who worried about the [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► electricity coming out of outlets wasn't [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► something i said i think that was you [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► but somebody friend of mine was saying [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► how one of their older relatives some [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► generations back worried about the [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► electricity escaping from outlet and [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► like getting introduced into the house [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► no my people were very practical about [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► scientific matters and no one would have [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► no one had any superstitions not [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► practical science and your family for a [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► while now at just as I say it just as I [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► said I realize there is no superstition [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► in my family at all in any direction [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► there's no it seems like there's not a [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► lot of what they might be magic like [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► disney magic or the magic of Christmas [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► but it seems like you don't have a lot [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► of magical thinking in your family [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► there's a lot of crackpot thinking okay [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► alright that's a nice distinction and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► some of it does extend to the spiritual [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► realm of the world of God causality no [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► no literally to the world observe [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► spirits [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► ok but I think it's more it's more a [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that it had that has to do with the [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► cycle of life and have and whether or [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► not the cycle of life is is monitored or [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► whether the cycle of life is a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► you know whether it's whether there's an [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► uncaused cause whether whether it's a [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it's a clockwork that's you know there's [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► a lot of there's a lot of like kooky [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► let's say cookie theory or m-theory [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► essay for those of us for those [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► listeners who are currently at [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► universities it's it's a nude to new [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► discipline cook that could carry so yeah [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► but there's no no no one in my family [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► would ever hear a creek in the house and [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► I think I'm the only one maybe my sister [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► too but no one here creak in the house [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► and think it's a ghost [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► no one would you know my mom would not [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► hesitate to walk across its cemetery on [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► a moon a moonless windy night obviously [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► bring it on bring it on says says mom [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► yeah she's just she's got issues on this [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► side of the cemetery she's got to get to [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that side of the cemetery it's the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► quickest way you know so there's not [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► there's not a ton of like that kind of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► whoo-hoo [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► but if you say to my mom [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► do you believe in karma [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► mhm yes [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► now who's running the car machine i [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► don't know right she doesn't care who's [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► running the car machine but she believes [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► people will get theirs [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that's what people get pretty wound up [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► in in the thinking less about the carmen [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► more about the Machine and operator I [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► think that's another nice distinction [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's right that's right and [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► you know and and my mom is a big [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► proponent of reincarnation [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► yeah he told me this yeah but not [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► interested in the operation of the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► mechanism i love this [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► it just is a bit it's just a feature [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► just as a just as the wind or just as [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► the just as the mountains or the earth [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► revolving around the Sun it just is a [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it's like yeah there's a problem there's [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► a mechanism to get dinner phrase on [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► cargo cults a cargo cults yeah there was [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► a band called cargo [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► Alton well I mean the way I've heard [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► this and who knows this could be it [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► turns out a double turns out but we have [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► heard this explain was that there was a [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► point i think after World War Two where [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► the United States was delivering a lot [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► of aid to as the storm just the same as [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► the story goes so i'm going to edit this [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► for four times but because they were [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► Marshall Plan aid or other kind of like [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► it might have been even sooner but the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► basic idea was that there were people on [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► fun very remote islands dotted around [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► the Pacific who needed a lot of help [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► yeah after the war and these were [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► delivered by very large cargo planes [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► right and so on a fairly periodic basis [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► a giant plane with land and these these [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► men in uniforms with headphones would [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► appear and come and bring food medicine [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► and and all different kinds of supplies [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► and the story goes that in some of these [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► places this became a kind of a guest [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► religion were basically they started [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► making headphones out of coconuts to [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► please the gods where they started [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► making out of like like Franz would make [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the equivalent of like Abby what's a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► what's a supply might be at the time you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► waiting like a big plane make a big [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► plane out of Franz yeah let's let's call [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► it a you know what would they have been [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► it would have been a DC for okay yeah [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► yeah but the the way we get to this [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► though is that the story goes that the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► these visits came and and people started [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► believing that it was their worship of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► the gods and the sort of totems that [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► they made that were pleasing the gods [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► and catch them coming back [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► all right with this is true then the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► story of course the turn is that for [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► years after those planes stop coming [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► people continued to make the idols they [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► thought they were doing something wrong [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► there because now the plans seems like [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you could solve like so many things you [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► could solve that with better [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► communications but that's the story and [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► so that's a phrase people use a lot to [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► explain where why there's something we [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► doing and we're not sure exactly how we [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► started doing it that way and especially [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► like program called cargo Colton and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► it's just this idea that like like well [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► why do we why do we always do it this [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► one way well that's the way we've always [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► done it and letting him die starvation [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► yet so must be working i'm very curious [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► about the way this exact kind of analogy [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► makes its way into computer people talk [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► yeah because it seems like every few [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► weeks it is revealed to me and maybe all [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► these things have been all maybe people [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► have been you know analogizing this as a [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► cargo cult for 25 years but it seems to [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► me every every few months [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► I'm an a new sort of analogous tech [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► syllogism mm-hmm arrives where a somehow [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► in the in the software business someone [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► says oh well you know you've heard the [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► phrase uh-huh you you've heard the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► phrase the Arctic sandworm haven't you [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► and I'm like what's the architects and I [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► don't think that's big right now a lot [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► of people think about the Arctic's and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► the hard exam where mrs. you know it's a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► little bit of a mixed metaphor but well [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► then I don't like the idea of the Arctic [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► Sandler is but if you go somewhere [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► that's very very cold it's gonna look [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► like one continuous sheet of cold and [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► ice right which that seems logical but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► shall continue this is a double turns [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► out and what I don't know what I don't [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► understand is somewhere because a lot of [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► the software engineers that I know are [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► yeah i don't know like how would they [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► know about a cargo cult let's just put [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it that way but somewhere out there I [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► mean how do I not know about a cargo [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► cult that seems right in my wheels right [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► in your wheelhouse in but uh but [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► somewhere out there there is someone who [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► is trying to analogize a computer [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► problem or a systems problem who also [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► has in the their experience knowledge of [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► cargo cult something fairly arcane and [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► then also has the type of mind to relate [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► the two together in order to create a [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► new turn of [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► yeah well this goes i think this in some [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► ways goes back to a lot of jargon like [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► we're jargon comes from and you know [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► it's this is kind of a simplistic way to [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► look at this but like when you're trying [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► to talk about something like a business [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► model involving software and services it [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► can seem probably a little bit dry a [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► little bit gray you want a way to [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► physicalize or put into the real world [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► what it is that you're talking about and [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► cigarette up borrowing like almost like [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► like loan words and phrases and stories [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► and sometimes they are as they say very [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► sticky which is another piece of jargon [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► chicken like a cargo cult yeah [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► absolutely another one might be a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► classic piece of jargon from the late [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► 90s was boiling the ocean is familiar [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► with that one [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► how you have used the phrase boiling the [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► ocean before and but a lot of lot of [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► this jargon by the time it gets to me [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► it's already it's already a joke [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► yeah you've already been using it for a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► long time and the first time I hear it [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► you are already putting a ton of like [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► ironic spin on it [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► yeah and so I'm like boiling why is [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► boiling me I think I think that's [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► hilarious boiling the ocean and you're [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► like is point because when the way you [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► communicated to me it already contains [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► the voices of the people who have said [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► it to you that you have contempt for ya [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► and that's partly yeah you're right [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and part of that I think comes out of [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► having SAT through back in the day [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► having SAT through so many meetings and [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► lunches and just like conversations you [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► overhear where there are these certain [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► kinds of things that some very lively at [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► first these bits of jargon they sound [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► because they really capture a certain [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► idea if you don't try to boil the ocean [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► yeah I mean I'm trying to give a good [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► example of this but I think for example [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► that there there was for a time like for [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► example before people knew better during [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► the.com days people did a lot of [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► sometimes they were what you might call [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► a pure digital play where you might say [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► hey look we're going to make this new [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► way of like finding information but a [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► lot of times as things got a little more [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► ambitious you get like a pets.com st [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► pets.com you say well like we don't [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► really have anything yet but we're gonna [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► is this thing where you can get a 40 [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► pound bag of dog food delivered to your [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► house and so in you know insufficient [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► just for pets [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► well it could be i mean if you're hungry [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► enough anything food you know but but [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► like this this came up a lot like at the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► place where I work which is a real [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► estate dot-com and the observed the boil [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the ocean idea it would pretty much what [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it sounds like [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► which is that you know that this this [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► crazy idea we have for business will [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► work as long as and probably large [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► number of people that we have no reason [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► to believe whatever do this do this for [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► way more money than we expected for way [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► longer than we expected and we're going [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► to put a tremendous amount of effort [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► into doing something like for example [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► let's say you're going to spend all this [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► time getting doing research on every [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► person in the united states and sending [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► them exactly the right amount of coupon [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► for something we're still losing money [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► on every order and he's describing the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► business model of indie rock to how [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► should talk about that but that's [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► because the demo the demo so I'm not [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► putting that particularly well but like [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that you get things like open the kimono [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► which is what i'm saying i'm going to [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► speak openly about this as though I was [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► showing you my dick in a rope [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► well that's the thing the first time you [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► said open the kimono to me you know it [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► it came in the middle of I think maybe [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► at the time you were talking into your [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► wallet yeah that was me that was [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► formerly man and I was like yeah when [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► you were man and I said Wow open the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► kimono and you know what it made me [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► think of was Hawkeye Pierce and pj [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► Honeycutt bathroom defending a man they [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► were on leave in Seoul we're standing by [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► their still let you know when they would [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► wear literally go to Tokyo or so when [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► they wear a little kimono yeah they go [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► to Tokyo for for some massages [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► there are from R&R and they be wearing a [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► kimono in your any and so opening the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► kimono obviously like when i first heard [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► it was shocking and titillating yeah um [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the first time somebody said who moved [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► my cheese up w you know what you just [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► did a really good hot guy impression [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► right there [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► ah my partner to the few but i'm just [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► curious because it's a like I understand [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that business school is ninety-eight [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► percent just coming up with this type of [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► because there's because people are [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► paying a lot of money to go to business [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► school and its end there and nothing [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► actually happens there except for the [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► communication got a lot of questions lot [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► of questions about business school [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► because kind of like who moved my cheese [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► level of insight into the world but but [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► I don't understand when the language is [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► so colorful when it's such a you know [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► like a cargo cult in and of itself is a [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► fascinating reference to make once in [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► your lifetime you know and it requires [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► so much explanation as to what it is [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that it that its usefulness is also kind [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► of predicated on an idea that this is a [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► very small inclusive culture just to say [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► cargo cult is also not just like as a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► metaphor but it's also a code that says [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► anyway that understands this has already [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► read the wikipedia page and the only way [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► they did that is that someone initiated [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► them into the into the understanding of [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► this representative language becomes it [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► goes from being so you have looked on a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► technical basis you might have jargon [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► whether certain kinds of things that [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► people use as like a heuristic to get [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► past a certain concept we all basically [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► understand but then it goes from jargon [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► to being really like a patch wha-what [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► like you can you can say these phrases [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► and it shows it's just like you're one [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► of your Brooks Brothers suit it shows [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► that you're part of the in-group when [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► you're able to make the right reference [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► at the right time in a non-title betide [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► you if you make a reference that's too [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► old because that shows that you're not [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► up on the latest nobody is boiling the [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► ocean these days but but but my mic for [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► curiosity is where is that that being [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► generated like who are mean I because I [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► know a lot of people in business [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► obviously don't know as many people in [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► in internet business as you but they [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► don't in general seem like language [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► generators you know but somewhere in the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► machine [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► there are people who are [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► frustrated poets or yeah for sure [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► somehow using this laying the using [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► language this way and incorporating what [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► they read into creating new language to [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► describe processes I it's a I just love [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► it and I wish that there was some kind [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► of because it's you know it's like this [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► is the etymology right and some some [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► days some etymologist is going to have [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► to is gonna have to wade through all [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► this a beach grass to find like who did [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► that come from [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► I know right and it and and something [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► like cargo called it feels like it has [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► an originator it's not something that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► just got into the parlance by you know [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► the like the same way that that so many [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► of our phrases kind of come from [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► Shakespeare but but forget get mangled [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► on the way or from the Bible but like [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► this is a this feels like one person use [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► this the first time right and they were [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► so clever but we don't have a record of [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► his life he presented TEDTalk 0 [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► it's like it's where for the the font [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► from from which so much of this these [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► mental models come from right not just [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► the font but also the font and found [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► mr.right yeah my three [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► it was absolutely right baby you know i [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► think i think mental models can be very [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► powerful and you know is that guy the [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► guy who wrote that book don't think of [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► an elephant before that he'd written [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► those things like off had written a book [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► called metaphors we live by this whole [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► deal is a Knothole deal but a lot of [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► what he talks about has to do with the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► metaphors are more than just a way of [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► understanding a situation that's foreign [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► to us or you know that we have an [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► experienced before the metaphors [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► actually become a way that get sort of [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► ingrained in our thinking so I don't [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► have mental models exactly the right [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► word but you know life is a journey you [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► know that there's basically all these [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► things and you might even move my cheese [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► that's just definitely one of them [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► but just the idea that you know I think [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► what you're talking about here is that [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► there's an idea that grabs you and you [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► make some kind of connection in your own [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► head and go i get that joke or I [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► understand that reference and then it [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► can be difficult to shake you know and [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and there are certain kinds of like [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► pithy you know kind of almost [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► Shakespearean like rhythmic little bits [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► of language that people say and repeat [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► and repeat over and over again and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► sometimes might it might take a few [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► months for to catch on but then it might [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► take a decade for people to really kind [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► of unpack welcome what is that really [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► what doesn't really move and is that is [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► that still like that it does that [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► heuristic still work as a way to explain [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► the way things are happening right now [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► yeah i mean i imagine like a phrase like [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► rat race [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► there was a time when only people i mean [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► you know that that probably came you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know rat race is one of those things [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► where it might have come from a [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► Elizabethan England when people actually [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► were racing rats but it also could be a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► thing that entered the lexicon in the [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► fifties when scientists were doing a lot [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► of experiments on on rats in mazes and I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► bet it's I bet it's just the way that I [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► mean I'm soon as now there's certainly [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► going to be a double or triple or [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► quadruple turns out here but I imagine [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► it's what it looks like when you watch a [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► bunch of people moving through manhattan [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► it looks like a bunch of rats racing [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► well sure but it but in order to in [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► order to make the connection i wonder if [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► at that at in its earliest stages [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► whether rat race was also a little bit [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► of insider language in that you had to [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► be educated enough to understand that [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► scientists were like not not just [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► observing humans in the like a level one [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► of my time trying to get like a like [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► because we use well and went against a [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► long time but like habit trails you [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► remember when I want everybody have a [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► trail when everybody had a Habitrail and [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► and there and there it was a very [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► popular that was that was piqued Amster [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► yeah very popular a analogy in its time [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► to think of yourself as a hamster on a [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► wheel [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► for a hamster within a Habitrail which [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► you know which meant that you were [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► exploring your whole environment you had [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► this whole environment you lived in but [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► you weren't cognizant of the fact that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► this was just a let the wheel wasn't [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► going anywhere [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► yeah i miss that this and it was an ant [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► farm and that's another one that but you [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► don't use and far more Habitrail [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► references anymore because nobody has in [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► farms or rabbit trails like those pads [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► have passed [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► yeah but i wonder i mean there are a lot [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► of things I think that we use that that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► the analogy was at one point in time [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► sort of predicated on on being a member [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► of us much smaller group that understood [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► that scientists were working on rats or [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that understood what a what a what some [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► of these you know like school hoops or [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► whatever but like I mean like maybe a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► common one would be all the various [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► spins on point I'm going to remember [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► words always right in front of you BF [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Skinner and Pavlov some all the [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► variations online like a pigeon checking [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► for a pellet which is another kind of in [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► some ways related to the cargo cult idea [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► or the idea of the Pavlovian response [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► right that have lost dog got ya jus like [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► a like exactly how we were and and I [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► remember first being introduced to that [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► concept and having to have pavlof [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► explain to me and it's pretty gruesome [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► experiment when you really read about it [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► you know you know about this [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► yeah we're just sitting here with a shot [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► glass trying to capture spill I think [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► they actually cut a hole into the dog [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► and then put like a special channel in [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► there so they can capture scientifically [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► well you gotta captured scientifically [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► that's why you get around a label [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► science [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► listen if you can't if you can't find a [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► reason to cut a hole into a dog I don't [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► think you're doing science that's a [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► really good point about a champ for a [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► monkey but we should be sure you cut [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► monkeys a coconut monkeys right and left [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► not that sounds like an indie-rock term [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► right coming up monkey [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► haha cutting monkeys if i don't hear [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► that yeah we described eternity and [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► Craft services by the by the end I was [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► cutting out Monkees well i think i think [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► it's going to be much more thing where a [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► guy in a boardroom who's not wearing a [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► tie [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► because because real rich people don't [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► have to wear times [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► alright well i'm going to start [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► capturing i will be typing here I must [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► examine a few of these that we might be [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► able to introduce as a service to our [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► listeners these are some potentially [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► context-free jargon phrases I really is [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► a little bit of a letterman bit here but [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► if they come up i would like to have [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► some some new phrases that we could [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► encourage people for the year 2017 to [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► start introducing in their life and you [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► can decide what it means [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► yeah i think that cutting cutting a hole [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► in a dog uh-huh that's real good cut [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► monkeys [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► ok also good and I think those represent [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► very different business processes [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► uh-huh um you got to cut a hole like [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► these are really grounded in fiscal how [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► about maybe like put your head in the [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► freezer put your well so here's the [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► thing this is actually a good analogy [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► ok i was reading the other day that if [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► you have mods in your cashmere and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► models in your cashmere [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► mm that's another one guy that got it if [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► you have models in your cashmere don't [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► be alarmed now it's just bringing in a [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► queen [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► one thing you should do respect what you [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► can do is put your cashmere in the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► freezer [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► oh I know I know it's serious ok that's [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► all so so I don't want to use kashmir [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► and all these things right let down that [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► I did it as a possible John that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► everything we have to learn can be found [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► in the lyrics of led zeppelin to do I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► believe it i believe i have already [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► lived this philosopher Gary and one word [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► my will sustain it's all it's all [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► connected with confounded bridge it's [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► all in less that far ahead of this [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► yeah so so put your role in the freezer [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► let's call the phrase alright which one [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► the fries right that so that's like not [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► just a prophylactic [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► it's also the Emergency Response this [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► the same time Lucinda had some of these [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► feel like they could be from Silicon [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► Valley boardroom where they might be for [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► Will Rogers right [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► wow what will countries would say put [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► your woman freezer right okay i'll let [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► you win the freezer about me sometimes [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► even a Dirt Farmer needs to fill the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► tractor from that too long even a Dirt [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► Farmer needs two yeah we got a short in [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that down ok alright umm hmmm what could [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► it be [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► let's see your your heart will break [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► your glasses because you don't like the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► don't break your glasses because you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► don't like the movie you know I think we [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► got lots jazz it up don't sit on your [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► glasses because you don't like the mad [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► about that don't sell your glasses that [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► make you know that don't sell your [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► glasses because you don't like the movie [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► see that but those are that's stretching [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► a little bit you want something that's [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► gonna be a lot picture that's not boil [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► the ocean [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► ya know boil the ocean that should be [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► our thing we can make a little more [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► mysterious we could just say things like [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► yet jiggle the handle [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► ok jiggle the handle there you go put [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► that down right i mean this is all the [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► thing is this is just blue sky solution [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► earring at this point we're just we're [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► just putting ideas on the board [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► yeah right i don't take your windshield [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► wipers off despite the rain [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► ok i'll spit into the wind will not pull [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the mask off the old lone ranger right [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► and don't mess around we don't mess [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► around with jim that's number three [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► you know what don't mess around with jim [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► is a is a pretty good i I can't remember [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► i wasn't trafficking in adult life in [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► the seventies amongst adults who would [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► say things like don't mess around with [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► jim mhm you know like the adults that [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► were standing around me who's a language [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► i was trying to pick up on they weren't [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► wearing blue jeans you know what I mean [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► I barely knew anyone that any adult [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► person who had ever worn blue jeans I [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► did the home dungarees a yeah I believe [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► you know my dad certainly didn't wasn't [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► going to wear a pair of dungarees [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► don't know a lot of John I've known [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► Bobby I've done a lot of adults like [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► I've known thinkin of the father of a [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► lady friend of mine whose father wore a [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► suit for everything and like when it was [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► time for him to dress up for Halloween [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► he wore a suit buddy a towel and said [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that he was a chic haha because he [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► couldn't suffer the idea of appearing [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► anywhere not in at that time a [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► three-piece suit right [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► what I think I've told you the story [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► almost certainly I have the that at [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► Christmastime in 1984 or something i had [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► been introduced to Levis but my mom was [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► telling the story the other day where [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► she said you know in 1983 or something I [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► took Susan my sister who is my mom [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► talking she took her to the thrift store [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► because my sister was a punk rocker and [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► my mom said you know go crazy you can [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► buy as much much stuff it in this thrift [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► store as you want and so Susan bought 15 [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► bags of of like a bebop dresses or their [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► dollar the dollar went a long way at a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► thrift store at that time [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► oh my god and there was so much genius [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► stuff because there was an unless you're [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► getting a suit you might spend three to [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► six dollars on a suit but like but [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► really two dollars was the most you [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► would spend on a shirt for example three [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► other pair of pants and hipsters weren't [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► really there yet in all mass and so [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► through stores were full of fifties [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► Levi's all this was the case let's be [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► honest had recently died you're getting [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► quality stuff from people with good [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► taste [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► well and also a up to a certain point [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► there was no what we would call now bad [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► stuff you know like all that stuff was [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► handmade somewhere in new york city by a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► in in like a in the garment district [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► even the cheap clothes were like i used [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► a diff told you this but I used to have [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► a to focus Ryan is developing like [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► collections and there was cautioned not [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► to remember now but you for years [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► jcpenney had a line of like basically [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► not not not feel somewhat the kind of a [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► little bit like Pendleton they had like [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► these really nice like plaid [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► work shirts that they made for years the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► name is escaping me but for years and [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► years if you I would just look through [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► the labels and look for those and find [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► those because they were always really [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► great i call paul westerberg sure it's [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► clear Paul Westerberg whenever one of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► these but that was a terrific shirt and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► this is in the days before the ground [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► she got understand for the gun and [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► oh yeah before the crunch so she goes [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and she buys shoes bags dresses well and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► so she was mocking me in this [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► conversation this conversation happened [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► a week ago by the way and she said yeah [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► and at that point in time jon was always [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► you know he was in his preppy phase and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► so he had to go to nordstrom and for the [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► cost of three garbage bags full of [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► sixties close that Susan Bobby Jon only [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► got one shirt long haul and I said let [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► me set the record straight here [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► first of all I never owned a shirt with [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► a logo on it because my mom even at the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► time would have mocked me mercilessly [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► for their own smiling alligator shirt [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► yeah I made smile and alligators instead [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► and second of all the only time my mom [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► ever took me to nordstrom was during [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► their half-yearly men sale that happened [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► like basically right about now right [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► after Christmas and I was you know I was [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► allowed to shop in certain sections and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► I i was constantly going to school [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► everybody else had my keys with a red [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► stripe and I was wearing stay Diaz or [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► some shoes that have to remember that [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► they had a whale on WIC and I had a [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► wonderful was Montgomery Ward's or [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► pennies but what I mean the thing is [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► this is the time when you had to have [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► you are in a key person or you were in a [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► devious person or you were a weirdo and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► most of the kids were making people [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► having you sure she didn't have a whale [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► or a fox on had a pair for monkey Ward's [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► that had four stripes instead of three [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► on a little worse for the upside down [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► almost swoosh around 1981 one of the [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► brands the department store brand [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► started putting it was like a swoosh but [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► it was like it was Drew's going upside [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► down and not quite a solution in sight [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► I mean ye you're better off you're [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► better off you know you know where [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► napkins on your feet look like such chod [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► I would and and so this is this is the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► the like the fashion [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► the the like wasteful fashion maven that [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► I supposedly was when i was in ninth [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► grade just desperately trying not to get [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► thrown into a pot of boiling oil and I [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► was already not i was nowhere even in [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► the running [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► I just didn't want to wear things like [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► you're saying that were that were [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► visibly knockoffs of a thing right now [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► and and so is it because it looks like [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► here's the thing it looks like you think [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► you're pulling it off and there's [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► nothing that makes you look weaker than [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► not pulling off something in acting like [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► you're pulling it off [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► yeah let you either that you're pulling [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► it off or that you are so blind to what [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► constitutes good that you think there's [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► no difference which is even a worse a [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► like thing to put on you write that [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► you're just like all these are these [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► have a red stripe [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► uh-huh and you don't even have the like [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► the the visual information processing [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► power to know that the stripe is upside [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► down and there's a time in your life [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► that where you can imagine like you know [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► if somebody did buy you a pair of $15 [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► shoes that the wrong stripes on you feel [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► like what is wrong with you [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► you'd be like that that's how I feel [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► today like I still don't know who Nelly [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► is oh yeah [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► either you know the feeling that like [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► there's dunno where it happened but I [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► pass through some some kind of long [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► hallway at some point and I just know [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► what the fuck's going on anymore [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► well I it was also a time of course when [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► you couldn't if somebody bought you a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► fifteen dollar pair of shoes you [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► couldn't not wear them [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► oh come on right it's not like you're [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it's not like you're going to put them [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► in the closet and never touch them [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► because they're female and you know you [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► have to look at it when you go and get a [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► job you can go by your $40 necks exactly [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► anyway so it looks like nice nice [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► immediately six months after this you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► know this particular moment when my mom [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► is describing me as like the the biggest [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► most wasteful like land pig she'd ever [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► seen and I was I had figured out [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► oh you can buy preppy clothes at thrift [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► stores too and then you know but [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► apparently I still in in my men my mom's [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► version of the world i'm still like this [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► guy of throwing money at izod shirt so I [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► don't even know there's this thing [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► she'll never [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► visual acuity maybe she thought my smile [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► an alligator really was a anyway all [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► worse than a snob on a budget think so [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► all this is to describe that moment when [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► I had gotten hip to Levis finally yeah [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► and i bought online what are we talkin [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► here eighties nineties never known him [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► for mid eighties I resisted them for a [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► while until things when they were still [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► this is when they were still I mean [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► levis are costly now but you could do [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► you get you some twenty dollar Levi's [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► back then [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► well but also their world there were so [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► many rules about wearing Levi's because [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► they were the only jeans other than [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► Wranglers with nobody was gonna wear or [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► they survived the great gene Wars mm I [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► mean that they were always going to be [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► wrangler and Lee people and yeah but but [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► Levi's really emerged as the go-to they [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► started as the go-to denim brand and [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► ended as to go to denim brand and partly [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► I think this no I don't want to get into [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► too much of it turns out here I'm not [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► gonna go freakonomics on this [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► go ahead i think it well i think in the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► same way that there was backlash against [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► Disko because of homophobia and racism I [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► think in some ways that was giant [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► backlash against designer jeans because [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► they they seem snooty right and and [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► being well and they seemed kind of disco [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► the idea of spending forty dollars or [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► eighty dollars on a funeral gloria [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► vanderbilt jeans writer Jordache guess [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► jeans Caliban and the thing is a lot of [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► people are listening they're not [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► understanding because now of course [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► there are a thousand kinds of very [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► expensive jeans now get Levi's in the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► fifty dollars and it that's that's like [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► some of the less expensive brand jeans [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► oh dude you can spend 250 dollars on a [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► pair of jeans just I could I could I [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► could throw a baseball from where I'm [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► sitting and hit a pair $215 jeans for [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► sale you got a good arm [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► well you know yeah i'm also sitting [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► pretty darn close to an expensive jeans [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► place I was Alexander sent me some new [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► jeans [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► yeah and then I found out what they cost [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and I was a little bit beside myself [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► we've talked about this before the the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► arrival on the scene of the seven from [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► mankind jeans that suddenly made [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► everybody's butt look good [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► and and prior to that i really do think [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► in these terms that prior to that moment [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the 720 mankind like technology but [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► technology but shaping technology and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► jeans I still don't understand how it [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► works but there was a there was a time [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► before this when you [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► mm when you look across a cityscape [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► looking at but as I so often did yeah [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you saw a whole range of butts up [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► monopoly of butts and some were good and [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► some were bad and some of the square and [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► some looked you know like pears and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► there were there it was a sense of much [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► more ambivalent some somebody for [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► ambitious it was a great American [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► melting pot it was a color wheel of [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► butts and then this gene technology came [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► out I just still I still AM amazed by it [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► i do not know what exactly happened [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► where it was some kind of placement of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the pockets and some sort of addition of [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► a couple of percentage points of spandex [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► into the been to the levis are so I [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► don't know what happened but all of a [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► sudden all but look the same and it was [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► and it was a good same like they had [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► achieved they achieve this but not just [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► making but look good but then i made it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► accessible to every like about [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► singularity well a little bit like you [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► look around here like that that's that [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► the women or maybe but definitely [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► nobody's butt looks heinous nobody's [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► butt looks things and everyone everyone [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► wants their but to look good even if [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► they don't say it [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► they're thinking it i think everybody [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah and a bloody bored aren't brave [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► enough to say I remember walking with a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► girl a girl I was dating at the time [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► this is many many years ago early early [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► nineties and I was in a group of friends [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► like seven guys that were all my friends [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► one of them was somewhat somebody's [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► little brother but you know it was like [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► a bunch of guys that I considered 11 of [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► my groups of friends and we're walking [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► along she's very fashionable girl and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► she and I are bringing up the rear [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► if you will and she says just kind of [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► you know casually out of the side of her [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► mouth she's like eight guys I'm not a [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► single good at [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► Wow and I looked at it I looked ahead [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► and all of a sudden all these friends of [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► mine like they just stay where they went [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► from color to black and white [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I was like oh my god she's right there's [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► not a single good but in the group and I [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► wouldn't have noticed because each but [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► was different and I was appreciating [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► like the whole you know this guy likes [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► this guy has already adopted that weird [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► super big big pants thing that we may be [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► using a little bit more forest entry [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► yeah this guy over here's gotta chew can [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► ring in his pants like they haven't [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► really figured it all out and she just [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► said like an eight guys are not a good [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► but in the bunch and then of course the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► second thought i had was like ah through [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► what about my body [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► that's right am I can I be so lucky as [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► to be the best but in this group that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► seems a lot mean that seems a little bit [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► risky to think it's amazing how you can [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► go from not knowing about something to [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► have it being the most important thing [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► in your life in like half a second [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► well and she's going out with me right [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► so she obviously it matters enough that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► she would have chosen my book so from [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► that moment from 1991 to the present i [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► have always carried around with me a [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► sense confirmed by many like fishing [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► expeditions fishing expeditions by which [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► i mean do these pants look good on me [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah they were good i mean to [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► look like great on me [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► oh yeah they look fine uh-huh I mean [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► here check it from this angle or is this [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► good pair pants [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► yeah and it's like i'm i'm i'm i'm [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► including that data in my in my general [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► survey for calculating a notion that you [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► might have a good but though i'm [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► calculating a notion that i have on a [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► fine buck on okay one acceptable [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► yeah one that passes muster enough that [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► no one's gonna walk behind me and say [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► like you or or or worse nobody's gonna [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► walk behind me and just not notice much [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► about your not a grotesquerie but you're [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► not going to win any contest [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► well because and I've I've floated this [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► balloon enough time [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► and have really never once gotten a [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► single like oh yeah those pants look [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► good and I'm not it not maybe in that [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► tender maybe an octave up but but still [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► like enough I i I've taken enough [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► surveys to know that if people are [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► physically coming coming me it isn't for [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► that reason [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► okay but i have never adopted modern [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► gene technology either i continue to [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► wear a dumpy Levi's which do not [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► actually fit [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► yeah my frame right so maybe if I was [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► our pants leave as our process with 12 [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► about this and at the time in the early [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► eighties right people were ironing their [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Levi's to perfection [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► oh so back to my original point i bought [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► my dad a pair of Levi's I've i think i'm [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► sure i've told you this i bought my dad [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► apparently vies for Christmas like here [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you go dad like get with the times a [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► little bit and join the Pepsi generation [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► yeah I'm 14 years old or something as [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► though my dad's never seen a pair of [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► jeans and I'm like hey man these for you [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► know you don't have one of these and we [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► gonna do about this like a lot of kids [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► are listening to heavy metal [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► I'm I'm not gonna turn you on to a new [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► thing to Levis pants and my dad opens [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the opens the package and it was like [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► that one time one time many many moons [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► ago where i bought a girlfriend of mine [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► a gold chain i was in new york city and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► i bought this very delicate little gold [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► chain at one of those stores on on [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► forty-second Street where it's just a [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► guy sitting in there with a loop on his [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► classes land sure and he's got a smoking [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► a cigar and you're like I want to buy a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► gold chain he's like alright and i [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► bought this gold chain and I gave it to [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► her on her birthday or something and she [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► opened the package and looked at me [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► looked immediately up at me and said do [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you do not know me at all like oh oh I [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► spent a lot of money on that [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► no every way so I my dad opens this box [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► and there's a pair of Levi's in there [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and I'm like those are called Levi's dad [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► they're like a thing that everybody's [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► wearing now [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► get with the times you know they're very [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► versatile and my dad said looked up in [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the same way as as a my old girlfriend [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► and said I'm not an enlisted man I don't [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► dress like an enlisted man [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► w-whoa another man that one to the list [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► don't dress like an enlisted man and an [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► enlisted man right he said I'm an [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► officer I wear khaki I work for a living [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and it was something from the United [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► States maybe in 1948 does a whole [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► different signification for him yeah [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► it's a it wasn't a swabbie you for your [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► time ago with a mop on on deck [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► yeah you're an NCO the and if you're you [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► know your casual work clothes if you're [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► an NCO were dungarees pants for semen [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► and if you and your formal outfits to [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► our blue pants blue wool pants and the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► officers were always in in khaki pants [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► either casual or or when they're in [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► their dress uniforms and it was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► something that had been baked into him [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► at a very very young age and I think he [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► he i think that that back in nineteen [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► the nineteen-thirties that was that had [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► already been true in the Navy for so [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► long that it was understood you know [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► like the introduction I think of khaki [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► pants into the culture only came through [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► the Navy Wow turns out that's a good one [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► and the end the introduction [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► introduction of blue jeans really you [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► know they came off of the farm but they [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► came out of AI mean and the story goes [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► in in this neck of the woods that the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► levi strauss basically there was a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► demand amongst gold miners and the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► people who are making money off of gold [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► miners for something more sturdy and he [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► started making them out of the canvas of [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► tense is well the story goes like this [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► so that's that's where the original I [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► think blue jeans come from or so [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► levis are from San Francisco so everyone [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► in San Francisco knows the whole story [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► like probably I think technically my [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► amendments everything I mean obviously [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► that's where their base but I mean the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► old country is where people were buying [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► them out east of here but you know but [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the thing is the here's the thing [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► ah I think I know that I'm older than a [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► lot of our listeners but I wasn't [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► allowed to wear jeans to school [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► that's right i'm not trying to cheat me [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► like jeans or dungarees as my [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► grandmother called them that was that [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► was something you would wear to like you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► know plant tomatoes that is not [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► something you wear anywhere about at the [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► house we're going to like a picnic you [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► know come on england all the boys wear [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► shorts and like a short pants how you [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► know somebody still a kid [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it's better down there they're just put [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► that on the list what's that short pants [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► is how you know someone still a kid [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► I'm not enlisted man i'm not an enlisted [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► man yeah my mom used to talk about in [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► the nineteen fifties that all the [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► fashionable girls you would never of [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► course wear this to school but you know [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► on the weekends you would wear your [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► brother's jeans and your brother's white [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► dress shop that is cute isn't that is so [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► cute but you know that required that [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► your brother's jeans and brothers white [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► dress shirt only be slightly bigger than [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► it was when people were much more people [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► sometimes I learned this at goodwill in [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► the in the eighties is is all people are [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► small [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► yeah and they were small they were like [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► echo small people didn't people didn't [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► really get big until at least the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► seventies if you look at if you look at [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► pictures of people in the film which of [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► course we all do [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► yes the standard seems to be that the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► man be what three inches taller than the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► woman yeah and maybe like just slightly [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► better known like not not even any more [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► broad I think somebody had to stand on [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► an Apple box look at it look at it had [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► to stand on an Apple box keep getting me [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► what you're about to put your booking an [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► Apple box but that's the that's that's [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► as who moved my cheese any um but you [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► know like for me to for me to be [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► standing next to my leading lady [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► where I'm three inches taller than her [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► she would have to be a very large woman [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► and if you think about Archie comics [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► right moose and mid that was played for [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► laughs [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► moose pigment bridges small wall [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► contrast but you know but moose was [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► probably 595 an amazing person it's like [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► a senior Jackson thing [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's like Peter Jackson [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► sometimes forced perspective and you do [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► if everything's the same size everything [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► used to be smaller they talk about this [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► now I'm not trying to be anything is but [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► then talk today about how you get for [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► Americans you gotta make seats bigger [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► write it like if you when you try to put [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► people of our time on to a ferry for [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► example some kind of conveyance that was [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► built in another generation they don't [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► fit you gotta get a retro the retrofit [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the ferry you okay right now went down [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► at camera fairy might you know a lot of [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► my people in the show business [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► mhm this was an interesting thing i [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► learned many years ago from a from a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► booking agent with someone that we would [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► call a buyer which is to say someone [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► that's booking a club not a cellar which [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► is a booking agent that represents a [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► band talking now learn some jargon this [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► is yeah so so yeah so booking agent at a [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► club is buying the artist and the and [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► the booking age of the worst form of [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► course is selling ok so a buyer once [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► told me because I at many years ago [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► probably 2003 i started to be able to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► estimate the capacity of a club pretty [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► easily from the back of the room you [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► know you and it's a skill that you have [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► to learn when you're in the business [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► because you walk into the room you're [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► like oh this place can you know this is [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► a capacity 320 and then the the booking [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► agent walks up and he's like a capacity [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► so you're doing you did a little bit of [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► arithmetic based on things like [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► guarantees and things like that right or [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► less like estimated like what you can [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► expect to make that night right what [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► would constitute to sell out here [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► ok is the thing that everybody really [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► cares about you know and if it if he's [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► saying it's a sellout [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► and he says the capacities 275 then [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that's how he's gonna settle with you [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► people 320 people in that room it's [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► something you should know i got it [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► are you picking me up are you reading me [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► loud and clear oh yeah you're [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► five-by-five you sound great gonna hurt [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► somebody don't find my five mins yeah I [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► heard somebody coughing and I heard that [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► when i'm guessing it's probably lacroix [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► opening at one point [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► yeah but no sound great you sound like [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► you're in a Cathedral 55 is an [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► indication of the strength and volume of [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► your signal [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► Wow can I learned something good that's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► pretty good jargon huh well so the buyer [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► was saying the capacity of this room at [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► a of montreal show or the capacity of [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► this room at the boards of canada show [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► is about 200 more people than the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► capacity of this room at a Melvin show [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► or a mastodon show and it's not all i [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► see interesting [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► yeah he said at an indie rock concert i [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► can put so many more people in this room [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► because the people are themselves [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► smaller whoa and a at like a heavy metal [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► show an old-school rockabilly punk rock [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► show that the fans themselves are so [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► like demonstrable a larger people that [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► it cuts the capacity of this room by a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► couple hundred and he's not a big room [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► um and I was just like that cannot [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► possibly be true and he said you know [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► come to two shows and tell me I mean [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► tell me your experience and of course [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► I've been to all those shows and you [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► know it's absolutely true there are rock [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► shows that i can go to where I have a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► perfect line of sight of the stage no [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► matter where i'm standing in the room [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► because the average size is 58 of the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► people at the show [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► and Montreal attracts a pretty pretty [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► slight slight of build right right near [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► our as if i go to a mastodon show huh i [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► feel like i am enough i'm like in a [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► forest of meat like i can't i can't [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► necessarily see the stage because there [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► are there are like tents in leather [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► jackets standing all around me and and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► that's that's astonishing and that's the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► type of thing that is you know across [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► other like using that as a metaphor [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► it's very hard now days to not get into [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► tricky territory when you start talking [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► about audiences for things for you I [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► think it's better to probably yeah [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► mhm but it's you know people in the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► people in the world of show business are [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► saying are having you know this this guy [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► is saying I can't put the I can't put [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► max capacity in this room I'm losing [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► um because they're just as a root for [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► the people that's a strange constraint [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► UK oh yeah I'm great I was just opening [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► a look Roy and I wasn't really but i [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► have a have a mute button here [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► oh that's terrific Oh huh i have a mute [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► button now and I'm I'm learning to use [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► it because I even I've heard over the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► years that it's something that you [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► should learn to use haha and I mean I'm [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► still gonna clear my throat on the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► program that's that you know everything [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► within the shell is part of the show [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► yeah I'm you I'm unified urinate and I [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► right if I make coffee right now I'm [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► unify open a new trick I'm still on my [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► just at the tail end of my coffee and I [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► got the same same same cells right here [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna get conventional isn't [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► done this is your craft John you know [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► somebody who's not afraid to cut up some [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► monkeys you you know that this is your [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► craft and you're always working to [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► improve it [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► let me explain you know i'm i'm i'm [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► recording from from California as I say [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► and so my situation has changed quite a [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► bit i'm i'm using a computer that's that [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► doesn't belong to me right now because [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► although i have my mobile podcast rig [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that I carry with me everywhere I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► invariably forget one key component of [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► it every time one time I forgot the cord [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► that hooks my mic to the computer one [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► time I forgot my headphones and now [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► twice I've forgotten the power cable for [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► the computer links don't work but takes [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► the the very I see what you're saying [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► LOL so your dongle hell right so here i [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► am i'm recording on a macbook air [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► normally i have a macbook row is that [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► what it is and the and the two power [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► cables never the twain shall meet [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► because their debut know they're [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► separated by two years or something and [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► so it's separated by six months and then [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► having like you know turn and so it [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► anyway so my experience here is is [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► different in two crucial ways one there [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► is almond milk in my coffee instead of [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► cream [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► I don't think that's really melt it's [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► not at all an open all right there are [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► certain kinds of vegetarians I think now [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► where every single thing they eat eat is [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► made of almonds in the same way that it [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► used to be made of soy beans and tofu [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► right behind the day but now you can get [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► an almond Loaf baked in almond milk [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► covered with almond cheese you know what [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► the with some almond chicken wings [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► I mean it's insane when you go to the [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► store if you could just if you could [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► turn your your google glass so it only [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► allows you to see things made of almonds [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► oh IC r you know google glass r.i.p yeah [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► but the other difference is that this [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► computer is set so that it goes to sleep [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► pretty fast [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► that's because the millenniums like to [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► save energy yeah yeah it's going to [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► sleep now twice on me during this [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► program and then it just has a screen [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► screensaver of basically the apple logo [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► and then the name of the owner of the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► computer and the words macbook air just [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► sort of bouncing around a black screen [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► ok you find out a little bit just now [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► have you did you did you did you do [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► anything are you downloading anything [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► no no in fact I I can't download [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► anything because of the computers [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► consciously and I can't wake it up [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► without a password all dears [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► yes you wanna I'm saying oh gosh this [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► was probably on borrowed time [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► no I don't think so because I've done [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► the classic thing of talking about it on [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► the Internet program enough that that my [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► my my lady friend and my millennial [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► girlfriend yes heard what i was saying [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► OK and came over in a fairly perfunctory [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► way and then spit input her password [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► into the computer so now i'm back up [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► back up online [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► and crisis narrowly averted and now i'm [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► going to sit here absent-mindedly [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► running my fingers over the mouse pad [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► the mouse is there [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► yeah so the mounting surface doesn't run [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► your finger on the mounting surface [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► mm that's kind of their retrofit the [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► ferry you know I think we need to be [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► probably just need to sit with this for [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► a while [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► well we'll get some good ones are there [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► are you see I also i like the ones that [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that really don't mean anything [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► I guess we've got a few of those but I [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► also would like to explore more of the [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► ones that literally don't mean anything [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► and that to me that's the ones i could [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► really subtraction coming along [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't try too hard [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► this is what happens when you when you [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► do a blue sky solution area you just got [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► to unclench when you just got to class [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► i'm gonna add that pretty good [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► you've gotta get you if you're doing [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► blue sky the solution earring you have [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► the unfun judge also include John [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► unclench your the ocean you're probably [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► getting some interference [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► we'll listen I promise you as your [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► friend did something happen it does drop [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► out i will hit the bell and we can the [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► show like gentlemen [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► hello right I'm Merlin you know how [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► Sharia how to handle that it's got gold [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► in there I don't leave any of that out [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► no no it's all good in a form of [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► sympathetic magic many people in cargo [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► cults built life-size replica [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► cults built life-size replica [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the airplanes out of straw uh-huh and [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► cut new military style landing strips [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► out of the jungle hoping to attract more [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► airplanes that says this almost got it [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► right [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► yeah yeah attract more airplanes coconut [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► internet phones [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► yeah i'm looking at headphones that's a [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► good that's a good indie rock band name [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► coconut headphones i am i'm happy to say [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► that my advancing age I i have thumb [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► I think I've give my family a gift in [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► some ways medic eft which is that now i [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► have now settled into being very happy [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► with getting mostly the same things for [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► Christmas every year because actually [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► look you want and need them [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► well i mean the the one of the top items [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► is getting pretty bottle once i get fun [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► no nobody got a new pair 50 once every [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► year every 1225 I get me a new pair 3433 [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► 433 43 to get a new pair of 50 ones and [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► then the cycle continues [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► um you get a new pair of 30 32 33 34 35 [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► think it 3430 3432 something like that [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► huh yeah yeah I get that I get some [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► socks i usually get like a sweater Santa [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► really got me some of these long sleeve [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► t-shirts that I like a lot and I am that [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► I'm happy as a pig in clamps when that [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► happens so so a so every year you get [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► one pair of 5440 it's probably more 501 [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► the classics unwashed that we've talked [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► about i don't really even need them [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► because I heard them for longer than a [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► year but my daughter is nine and she is [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► becoming more confident aggressive about [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► telling me what I should do differently [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► and we're here i need to stop wearing [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► pants with holes in the one to pick her [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► up at school is rational sends em she's [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► done with those so do you have do you [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► have a silo filled with Levi's that you [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► consider still very wearable and usable [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► but that you have semi-retired because [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► because your daughter no longer feels [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► like they're acceptable [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► beware that's a great question basically [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► there's three there's three levels [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► there's the current vice where you're [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► going to wear them to dinner and people [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► wouldn't go like this like this those [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► and then you've got the ones that are [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► faded they might have some holes you get [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► the iphone hole on the left side is [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► getting my feet above all the span span [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► invagination and in the things that you [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► get the third group which the ones i'd [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► like to hang on a little bit longer but [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► i'm getting stink eye and usually they [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► donated to my daughter to be cut up and [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► used as fabric for sewing projects [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► oh I fee um but so there aren't any [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► Levi's that are that are that are [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► trashed but you can't surrender [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► well that was the case with that there's [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► a there was a pair that fell into that [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► third group in the last six months I was [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► really sorry to say goodbye to but as we [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► talked about many times before [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► everybody's Levi's blowout in in a way [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► that is peculiar to them [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► tryn like always it's one knee before [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► the other for me it's one pocket before [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► the other four me and ends the right [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► side of the crotch starts to blow out [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► and I don't want to put the action there [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► because this is 1972 I'm not gonna live [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► like that [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► well you know Mike Mike Rotch blows out [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► pretty darn early [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► yeah just because I mean who knows why [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► yeah but uh I have probably in the silo [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► in in group 3 of my Levi's I probably [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► let's say 18 pairs of group 3 Levi's [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► that I keep in a duffel bag some of them [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► you know a lot of them dating back to [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► when Levi's were still made in America [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► so american-made Levi's where they are [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► still wearable except for a crotch blow [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► out and oh honey blowout that are very [TS]