Ep. 229: "Elves with Clipboards"
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this episode of rock on the line is
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brought to you by cards against humanity
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they asked us son not to read an ad so
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hey just enjoy the show
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hello hi John
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Merlin how's it going oh good many joys
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of the season to you
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Oh Sees enjoys to you to season joys of
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the season to you
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Oh Berlin man Merlin Pam early and then
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who's got a beard that used to be there
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i'm not sure if it is there must be
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Roderick must be Roderick Claus
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ding-ding-ding-ding-ding goal depressing
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time of year it's called and we have in
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our fierce gee-gees psychosomatic
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sniffles every morning just because it's
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something you feel doesn't mean that it
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is real MVP em sniffing all the way you
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sign with your family at Christmastime
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teasing
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yes well yes yes we do
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okay wrap it up yeah my child my
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daughter sing some things but she's not
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a christmas carol singer I don't think
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you get Christmas carols jammed down
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your gullet quite like we did as kids
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not that that's a bad thing but I don't
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think I mean like she knows the tunes
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and she can come along but like she's
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not like a christmas carol person
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yeah my my kid is into him and you know
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I can't explain it at i was thinking
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about this uh just yesterday the same
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thing you're talking about which is that
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Christmas was really really stuffed up
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our noses in the seventies and eighties
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and i think it was like all it's like
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even at school even or especially at
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school you know had a secular school
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even like Christmas was hit for like
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weeks you made things out of paper
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plates and you're saying
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the songs and there was there wasn't a
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winter concert there's a Christmas show
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you say business and you liked it
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yes she did and there was the evenin
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even in secular school right a a picture
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of the one star shining down on the
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manger link the little baby and there's
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a lot of that link but her but you know
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where we're remembering a time when
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there were only three television
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stations and and yeah and there were
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like there was like the newspaper I mean
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media was really was really constrained
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and you couldn't opt-out and so I I but
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I was I was realizing this because i was
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looking at my kid than the day before
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Christmas and it was like well
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tomorrow's Christmas and she her
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reaction was like oh
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tomorrow's Christmas why are you using
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me know just sort of like she was coming
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the lower idioms today John I kept my
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orders talked about since sep tember
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well I yeah I just feel like I what I
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thought about it I realized like well
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you know would I don't have a TV
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yeah now since that's a really good
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point you know the heavy there's hardly
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any Christmas and all well and and you
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know we walked around here trees and
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the tree but we haven't really i didn't
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take her to see The Nutcracker like some
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of that stuff I that I wanted to do I
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just kind of forgot like Christmas
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sneaks up on you you know the exact
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punishment and I was like oh shit i
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meant to take her to the Nutcracker i
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meant to be a good dad
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we were at the mall for a completely
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separate reason early in december and
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and we're walking along and she's kind
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of doing her thing where she's like a
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look at this and you turn rocks over
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like look there's a crab and I'm like in
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the mall but she finds them and then I
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look up and I realized holy shit Santa's
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here already and she couldn't see him i
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could see I couldn't see him either but
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we were behind he's usually obscured
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yeah but but but but there were else
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they're elves all sure and they were
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elves little smoke
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fire right yeah right they were elves
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with clipboards in the mall and you know
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that that bodes ill mhm because it if
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there's not a Santa bear they're taking
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names for something that's a different
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time things have really changed so i
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immediately try to outdo careful then
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else making a list that's almost say
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today see right see Santa makes the list
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snow elves are making lists oh my god
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you're right what do you call that
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mhm so so I really well with all the
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runs the Afghan guerlain use the it's
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the day the elf cried so so I i want to
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look around just want to bring them joy
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in their last moments like who
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alright sounds evidence of a media also
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have clipboard and accreditations
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cracking my I grabbed her by the
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shoulders
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she's looking at you looking at the the
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crabs and I grabbed her and I say
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sweetheart i should wait hold it hold it
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let the crab co my crap skitters off i'm
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a sweetheart listen
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Santa's here it's like discovering you
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just realize that John Wayne Gacy is
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there and you're like honey i would
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explain a lot of things very quickly
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honey alright okay Shh and and it's and
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the thing is it's like evening at the
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mall and the mall is kind of empty right
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there's not like a huge line of people
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to see Santa
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it's just it's kind of an empty mall and
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so I grabbed her and I'm like sweetheart
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around the corner here
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Santa's here and she was like oh I said
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yes I know
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are you ready for this because in the
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past we've had no typical mixed feelings
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about st. mall Santas lot from her right
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not exactly a hundred percent about
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sitting on the sitting on the need and
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so I'm like you know let's let's like
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let's get collected here let's let's get
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organized and she thinks about it she's
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like yeah I'm ready I want to see Santa
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why I'm like all right she's like five
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she's a five-and-a-half so we kind of
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have a little baseball John that is a
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ballsy kid and I'm still down on one
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knee like we're gonna go around this
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corner and scream then there's going to
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be Santa she's like all right now I said
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listen I'm gonna go recognizer you stay
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she's like cool so I she see she stated
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she standing there now that she's not
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looking not looking any any crabs
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anymore were were a team were working as
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mm and so I go ahead just looking like a
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normal everyday mall stroller
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I'm not a guy I'm just walking i'm
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looking for a radio shack I'm not
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somebody that alpha is going to talk to
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mhm and I walked up and around in a
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circle the Santa a you know compound and
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I a judge a that Santa actually is
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fairly Santa looking he's not you know
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if he doesn't look like he's on parole
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10 it looks like like it's actually his
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beard you know like he it's not this
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isn't an embarrassing Santa I have some
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pictures sitting on Santa's lap for the
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peanut wear the beard is up around his
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eyes basis to really something you know
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and the elves are the elves all look
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like 24 year olds who liked it
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who got out of color you know there is
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their own College break and their
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parents said you have to get a job while
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you're in college breaking another there
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they're not professional elves right
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there they are you get that you get the
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sense that they're all living together
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in a trailer and they're having a lot of
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sex test but they don't give a shit
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about I mean therefore therefore they're
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fun kids you know but they're not there
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their primary thing isn't this attack I
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walk around there's no other kids no
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other parents just Santa sitting there
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and there's absolutely definitely a
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there's a cultural doesn't divide a
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cultural wall between the kids elves who
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are chatting with each other and having
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fun and the lonely old Santa sitting in
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the chair with no note there's no elf
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hanging out
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them was like okay all right I said I'm
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scope and he doesn't seem like a creep
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just you know creep radar so i zoom back
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around I'm like okay you sure about this
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and she's like I'm sure I said have you
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thought about what you want to talk to
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Sam about she's like a pretty good idea
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and I said let's go
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so we whip around the corner and as soon
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as she sees him she stops cold
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sounds like you think you're ready for
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Santa right and I said good here
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she's like we get a 1 curt nod and then
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straight in
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she goes in and Santa start talking to
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her and santa is a German he speak he's
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begin with a pretty heavy German accent
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and I was like all right you know he he
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moved here because his daughter lives
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here something and be you know and now
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he's a nice work in the mall Santa can
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get past brazil and argentina wouldn't
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have a pop-up all gonna do that anymore
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now I know they're going to many more
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times because the baby because massage
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i'll find you dang it
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so the sochi she has a little
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tete-a-tete with him there like chit
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chit chat at low tone chicken a squishy
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and lapped at this point she shoots she
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gets up on what they sit and talk with
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her on her feet for a while and then she
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gets up on the lab tech she takes a a
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couple of halfway decent pictures which
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isn't her normal m.o she likes to ruin
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pictures and and then we're out and
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she's like the whole rest of December
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she never once says let's go downtown to
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the video to the nordstrom Santa where
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the line to see the Northern Santa is
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four hours long
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the crazy thing is that there's a macys
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Santa also there's a north from Santa
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Anna Mae see Santa downtown that wait
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for the nordstrom Santa is seriously
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four hours long the line goes around the
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the customer services that Santa's
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probably outstanding we know what you
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can return in how you bring snow tires
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and sell snow tires in return anything
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that says it has to Santa has to accept
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anything that you return
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yeah and I don't know how I don't know
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how the north from gets the top Santa I
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don't even have guided wait in line to
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see him so maybe he's just maybe got
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Scouts many meters it could be it could
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be a thing like you know the up in
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Anchorage Anchorage has legendarily good
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striptease artists because there's so
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much money some so much cash money in
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Alaska that if you are a legendary
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striptease performer you want to go to
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Alaska because that you do chances of
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somebody just coming off of a fishing
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boat around gold mine and tipping you
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like 40 200-dollars in one night you
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changed a lot better than they are and
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you know like Boise here Lola Anchorage
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is where you're headed
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that's what I'm saying and so maybe a
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Seattle Nordstrom is like that for
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Santa's ok ok you know what I by that
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but crazy it's not like Macy's has a
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bargain basements and macy's is a big
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waiting at the macy sent and everybody I
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i'm getting i'm digressing yeah the
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she just was like yeah I know it's
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Christmas and knits but she didn't have
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that like completely immersive Christmas
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thing that we did that by the time
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Christmas got there you were so hyped up
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i remember sitting in the living room
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watching the the tree twinkle on
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like a wise man was actually gonna like
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come in through the front door riding a
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camel you know myself very very real
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something I felt and
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imagine you Felton island and trying to
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tell me stories about my kid but you
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know something I definitely felt with
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her this was i gotta be very careful
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we've been charted about talking to care
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too much about this topic but this was
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this was the year for her
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mmm this is the year of discovery and
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confirmation my feet like certain the
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thing right and at first it seemed
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incredibly like you know well you know
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whatever no big deal and but then there
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were a couple like nowadays when you're
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it to really hit you know being a lot of
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there was like an under like 345 year
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past the point that I knew things I
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still kind of felt something like I
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still meet you know I i remember in
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particular being whiny when I was like
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eight I definitely remember we stayed
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are my uncle's house i was sleeping with
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my cousins and I just remember like I
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could not sleep and I had Inklings at
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that point taken by the time I was like
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coming there's the magic in the tree and
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the traditions and all the stuff anyone
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you know the things they're still this
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part of you that like it's like oh my
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god it's christmas eve this is it
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mhm right yes god is alive and magic is
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afoot dealing real quick do you have
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like a tree set up at your house the
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treatment she doesn't know if you can
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see they're comfortable saying it does
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she get christmas stuff she was like
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Christmas stuff around at any point this
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season or was it just didn't come on
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well as you know as everyone listening
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knows my daughter has between three and
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five houses
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yeah and at my mind Milago she had a
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building in New York she does she has a
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house or apartment like como so my mom
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has a artificial christmas tree that she
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keeps in the Attic this year and you
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generally she decorates it exclusively
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with peach
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his decorations because she's an 82 year
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old woman and a peach decorations and
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then all of the decorations like all the
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historic historical decorations that i
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made as a kid and that are in the family
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because the the bottom you know the
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balls and stuff are all peach and then
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there's all this other jumble of
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meaningful decorations so she put that
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up and put those little electric candles
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in the windows a long long time ago
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early December she she did all that so
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the trees been there with some like
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dummy presents under it all month but
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but she she didn't go those there's no
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like pine boughs or anything she you
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know she just did the roof and then it
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was the new normal right
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my daughter's mother actually went and
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got a real Christmas tree because she's
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fairly sentimental and and put it in the
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you know moved her furniture and put it
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in the corner and decorated it and they
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had that whole thing
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okay okay so she had it around yeah at
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my house I found some amazing vintage
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christmas lights like the big outdoor
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kind that I intended to put in the blue
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spruce the giant blue spruce in my front
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yard and I kept intending to do that
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every day right up until Christmas and
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that was another thing like like The
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Nutcracker I was like you gotta be
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kidding me it's here already
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the road is paved with good intentions
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that was my yeah yeah I haven't even put
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up the super good christmas lights and
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now i'm looking at them I'm like well
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what if i put them up now
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yeah we'll call it a new year's tree
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yeah what if I just leave him up all
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year people get but they're not white
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they're not decorative like the old
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school like fat bulbs with the with the
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high colors
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yeah hola love those me too i was so
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glad to get these and so thrilled about
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like oh yeah but i thought i had enough
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month to go you know so there's no
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element of Christmas here other than the
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fact that daddy's house looks like
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you're living inside of a Christmas tree
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ok because they're just sort of
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ornaments all around them is a good you
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know so she's a gamer she got up there
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she talked for a while she got on the
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lap we were you able to eavesdrop on the
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Santa discussion did you think you want
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to stay away let her have her Santa
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privacy so she got into it right away
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and I didn't
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there wasn't a way for me it would be
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like rude to come over and interrupt
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this deep you know transaction so
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afterwards I like you know we had a
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debriefing so we're walking down the
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she's she seems pretty happy about it I
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got some good photographs of her and so
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you know i'm i'm judging it a success
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that's the second time i've used the
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word judging you on this podcast that's
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fine fine holiday season
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yeah and and so I say so we can talk
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about she said now you know told him
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what I wanted for Christmas I was like
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well you know what were some of those
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things just kind of you know trying to
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get in next week and sneak a little
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sneaky sneaker Rooney and she said you
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know pretty unselfconsciously well I one
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else in on a doll and the whole giant
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souffle just point the because i have
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done so much laborious work to keep Elsa
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and honor out to keep them out
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yeah Elsa and honor are like a like
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click the like a mustard gas
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it's like the movie interstellar which
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finally watched I have a lot of things
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to say about the that's John but it does
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not be asked for the dust the dust has
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arrived and even when you're very
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careful you know sometimes of course
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Murphy's gonna forget to close your
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you're gonna get dust in the house
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because does is what we have now and I
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think that's frozen four
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doesn't mean frozen is a juggernaut it
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will let me come at like 16 years ago
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still there's dust everywhere and it's
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all set on a dust i'm so glad that
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you've seen interstellar around looking
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forward my god
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to me it was my fourth try welcome we
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can come back to that i was going to say
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that Syracuse because he kinda likes it
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but i might give it to you
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oh my god yeah well I'm telling you
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every quivering with anger he yeah i
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mean i-i think that we I think that we
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talked about it you did you I i saw on
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way more of it than i remember having
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seen I think I blocked it out and online
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i'm not trying to take you away from all
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sin on because i want you i know your
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struggle i went there so let's get back
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to this I i have been through similar
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struggles I've seen these similar
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struggles you see this with lots of
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liberals and their struggles of various
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kinds let's say that your liberal but
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using this alive your lips and you saved
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us a lot of the whole like it could be
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if something is good hard as like I is
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important that my kids looks like it
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again just to make sure John siracusa he
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only showed I think especially his son
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movies that had a female protagonist for
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most of his childhood which was super
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interesting idea but look you're gonna
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get plenty of opportunities to see all
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minute guys getting to be always be the
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heroes but you know miyazaki movies
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they're great movies plus it's like
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usually about a girl it's not about her
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trying to find a boyfriend and and
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there's things like that right other
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things like I don't go out of my way to
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expose her to sports boo bad on me she
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should probably be into the Giants she
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should like Hunter Pence whatever that
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hundred past all the dances with a solar
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lightness it's horrifying just sits
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there and twitches all day
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Hunter Pence is a giveaway at the
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ballpark now here's the thing but the
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thing is now you're fighting the the
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interstellar dust inertia nobody asked
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for the dust but it's it's I mean like
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it's everywhere
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yeah yeah well and and there's a lot i
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get a lot of pushback from moms let's be
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honest I spend a lot of time with mom
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as you know because not because it was
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your life is a woman for one thing well
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because they're they've long been a
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general interest of mine but also
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because that's my social circle a lot of
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the time one
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not telling myself to be John Lennon but
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i have an aspect of care things that i
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do i'm at the school of X at least five
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times a week
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absolutely right i know all the moms I
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in my life I'm with them right there
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with you
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yeah i got a lot of money because else
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in on our good role models think it's a
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positive movie I know there's some
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controversy amongst people about that
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but is it that like all you can't be
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against them they're powerful girl
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models you know it you can't be against
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them is kind of where it stops and
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there's a lot of I mean ever since I had
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a kid there's a lot of that kind of sort
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of we've talked about this before the
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the the conventional understanding that
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certain things are inevitable and it and
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in partly in there inevitability are
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also good because since their inevitable
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it maybe as a mental choice to do to be
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upset about them since their inevitable
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with you may as well think they're good
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starring roles of gals in a Disney movie
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know it's like this feeling this feeling
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of like these are this is there Lady and
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thats everywhere if i remember correctly
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your daughter has been seeing that for
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something like three years now and at a
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interstellar dust to the culture that's
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them because every other little
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I'll have them in their times had a
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whole article about Star Wars the
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digital generation of kids that may be
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kind of the star wars some ancillary me
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TV shows but there's this whole
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generation of kids that are super into
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Star Wars have never seen any of the
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movies i mean my kids like that she
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walks around she's like Princess Leia
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bb-8 and she's got things to say about
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Wow but she's never seen anything about
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a star ever seen Star War not a thing
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not a one single of those Wars so anyway
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so I had been and so we finally I I the
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the initial cave was earlier this year
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when I was like all right let's watch
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the movie like I'm I it's just a movie
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it's not going to pollute her mind with
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Belson on anymore and I the things I
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haven't even seen it but my primary
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objection to it is that clearly else and
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on our the Grays right there there with
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those of you who haven't listened to
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every episode yes you should be ashamed
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first of all but second of all we have
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this open gonna start start start the
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beginning and listen listen normal speed
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normal speed or slower normal speed
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that's right up so there's certainly
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6230 episodes you better slow down
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sunday you are not ready for house
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Trotter you need to go real slow and
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understand the appeal of the greys to
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understand that the greys are in places
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we had not anticipated doing things we
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didn't expect it's going to take a
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little bit of homework on your part
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shame on you
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and one of the things one of the things
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they do is they gradually gradually
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inoculate us by making our children's
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dolls look more and more like Grey's
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everyday they have bigger and bigger
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eyes weirder shrunken you know sort of
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exactly knows michael jackson yeah and
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like spindly limbs with giant heads up
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that hill and if you take if you take an
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Elsa hour on a doll
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they are almost exactly the dimensions
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of a Barbie doll but if you thought
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Barbie dolls had weird physical
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dimensions put on on a doll next to
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watch i play Barbie hat on to an honor
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good luck kid
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do it on the honor the honor doll her
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head there is English animal heads fifty
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percent larger than a Barbie head
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business and her body is like even sort
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of more weirdly shaped than a been a
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Barbie she wasn't wearing those drapes
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I mean I think she pretty much look like
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I like a coat rack you look like a coat
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rack with a giant oversized head that it
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probably does not just just kind of fall
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over on her body
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yeah but like really like really she's
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from a different gravity narrow waist
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like it impossible narrow waist in any
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case I objected to the movie just on
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general principle because I initially
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the initial exposure i had to this kind
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of children's toy was a long time ago
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probably 15 years ago when the
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children's toy brats first arrived on
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the scene which was the new Barbie or
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was touted as the new Barbie and they
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were like completely they don't they
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almost had a like a graffiti art quality
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but they were little they were basically
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like little girls meant to appeal to
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little girls and the dolls were just
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plastered with makeup they were wearing
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miniskirts and they were it was just
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like yeah these are these are real and
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they're and giant heads and tiny bodies
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it was like these are repulsive sex
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fetish items like like you remember the
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soluble I know you did on TV but almost
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like in the steve madden TV commercials
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yeah well giants that girl exactly yeah
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and then start looking at them right now
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they are in probably narrow looking and
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and more almond d yeah and their heads
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got bigger and bigger
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yeah yeah so I so I saw this trend a
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long time ago and I was like listen
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we're talking where we're culturally
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arguing about barbie's a bust for
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Barbies dimensions as being like
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unrealistic and in the meantime the the
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door is cracked open and these freaking
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sex gnomes are pouring in like mom why
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not even thinking about them were still
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arguing about barbi and barbi is the
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least of our worries so so I I objected
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to first anyway we all sat down we watch
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frozen and at the end of the movie and I
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was sitting there doing the thing that I
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do which is like well that's this is
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irrelevant to the plot and this next
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scene is like in compatible with the
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plot mrs. can't really communicate you
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know like I mean I know that first of
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all he's an elk but or arrange your
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buddy yeah but i also i buy his whole
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Act I even by olaf the animated snow
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person but like the whole business of
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the whole business of Elsa being
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traumatized by her ability to buy
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spoiler alert to create ice with her
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hands you know she's a little bit like
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the x-men character that causes the
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blood disorder
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okay you know what I mean like a
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leukemia man you don't know the girl the
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girl that touches people in it
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any minute give them candy and that's
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broke you'll grow touches them and they
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get veins to get fans even if you can't
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touch her boyfriend she's gotta work
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she can't touch her boyfriend because
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it's varicose veins are ya
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so anyway I'm sitting there you know I'm
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not grumbling out loud just did my head
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and I'm not doing it as a way to like
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cooked form an argument for her i'm just
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doing it because I can't help myself I'm
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like this is garbage though that's not
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fair and then at the very end like the
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whole message of the sister saves the
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other sister I'm just not buying it
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that's the actual plot right i mean it's
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all all still results always still a
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prince in this stupid a story anyway we
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get to the end and i'm very curious and
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I say darlin
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we finally now watch frozen what did you
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and she went man c- whoa she doesn't
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even get grades I don't know where she
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got be a b c d even I don't forget that
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as a reference point using now is not
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that is not i think i think a lot of
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your daughter but that is not what I
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expected at all
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it wasn't what I expected either so I
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reached in
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like my inner self just rejoiced I was
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like yes she sees through the shite and
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then about a week and so for about a
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week we never heard a word about Elsa
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and I was like thank God we're done we
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made it through the other side we never
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pass through it
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yep and then she started talking about
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else annoying him and I i was like wow
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sweetie why are we talking about some
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this is like c- these remember c- this
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is like you don't even like this movie
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and she said yeah but i mean you know i
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like else Anana I like the and I
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realized that she had separated Elsa and
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on from the actual film in which they
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star is this is totally know and I mean
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like not to make this gross but use that
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phrase like fetish porn
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thanks very much like that think about
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you watching something that could be
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really really dumb better head airplane
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sent it again I guess it sucked but I
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mean had lots of airplanes right isn't
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Bryant kind of similar to that where
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you're like yeah you can you can any you
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know she's had time to develop her own
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like maybe not narratives about this but
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she had her own like reckons about them
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in the party I went absolutely has
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narratives about them they pre-existed
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in her mind and imagination so much that
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the movie sort of was irrelevant here
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absolutely right it was just like now
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they're animated for a while and she's
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like mats and basically what she was
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saying was that movie is not as good as
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the stories that I come up with about
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else on Donna like the nelson on a were
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characters in her life people she knew
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and so she comes off of this santa thing
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and she's like I just asked him for
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Nelson on at all and I and my shoulders
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slumped because what she was basically
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saying was you're never gonna I'm never
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going to give this up until I get a
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nelson on at all and I will play with
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them happily father so I'm asking Santa
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for now and you are cut out of this deal
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dear IC IC and so I was like oh and then
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for the rest of Christmas I kept saying
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let's go rear list again
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would you would you like Colombo like
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sometimes I get real confusing we just
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let this go over this one more let's
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just go over it again everyone anything
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except one of these fucking dolls
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yeah and she said over and over like
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well I told CNN that one else in on it
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also i feel like that ship has sailed
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and I'm like I got so then I'm shopping
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and I'm like you know what I can't do I
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cannot fight this I'm gonna buy a nelson
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oh darling I when I bought a nice else
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in on at all not one of the crappy ones
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which there are 1,000,000,000 but like
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you really look at him i almost bought a
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captain america ornament and I looked at
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the painting on it was like this is yeah
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this is this is bad you got to be
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careful because if you pick up
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everything that matches your exciting
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brand feeling you just gonna have lots
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of crap
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yeah you better one going now you feel
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like you get this one good one and now
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that's good that's gonna clear the pipes
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I've been to little girls homes on other
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errands generally interacting with moms
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where you walk in and you look at the
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room and there are mm 700 elson honors
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in various forms
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yeah there are there the dolls of every
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kind stuffy dolls barbie sties but tall
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would like Glenn 13 p Tommy I don't know
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where you find these so I said all right
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if you're going to have a nelson on it's
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going to be the only frozen oriented
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stuff that we have but if they're going
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to be nice little dolls and so I and I
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wrote from Santa on the package
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well we're at the were back around the
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she's opening the presence and she has
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you know some some nice present some
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other dolls the hodgman's actually sent
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her an American Girl doll says that said
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what when did you get to kill know we
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got like the the hippie one she
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basically looks like we can really get
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Rebecca I don't know who those are ya
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yeah let's find out
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this one looks like Hilary Clinton in
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nineteen cents just you know that's a
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pretty nice present
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it's super nice present well it was an
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American Girl doll that they had
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that you know that their daughter had
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loved and cherished but I remember their
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daughter had something on the order of 9
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to 14 american girl dolls so this links
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here she had over the time had
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disseminated these american girl dolls
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to younger girls she's obtained now and
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this was the last she had she had her
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main one that she would never get rid of
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it shall take to adulthood but this was
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the last of the secondary american girl
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dolls that that that lived at their in
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their house in Massachusetts and they
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were like we're going to get that doll
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we're gonna bring it down from
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Massachusetts and we're going to send it
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to to your daughter and she arrived and
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I was like this tall is truly beautiful
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I mean she's wearing some sort of
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seventies pantsuit like she's wonderful
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and so so you know my kids opening these
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presents she's getting a wonderful thing
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she's she's expressing true gratitude
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and pleasure
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she's actually opens a package and takes
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15 minutes to play with that toy
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oh that's a really really good sign
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right before opening the next president
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she's not that that's when I am proudest
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when like there's some you get 90
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minutes of playing before going to the
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next thing that's a good feeling isn't
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that good there and then she gets to
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this else and on and she opens it up and
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she's so thrilled because this is the
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culmination of three and a half years of
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her five-and-a-half years of just like
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hounding me for these dolls and i had
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gone to everyone else in the family and
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I'd say ixnay on the are the salon is
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lime the Sun on a girl's yeah and so
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everybody was on board anyway frozen
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fray doesn't fray here they arrived and
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she she beams at them for a second just
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beams at them and then she slowly turns
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her head to look at me and gives me the
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ultimate
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fuck you oh you just got pwned by the
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man with the beard I got pwned by Santa
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home by santa and she was like but
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mainly because i like them apples
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how you like them apples i asked Santa
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for this and santa brought it and she
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ran a santa hat on and she yeah and you
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are outside the game dad and I was just
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on the couch just like getting a hit
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with this like plasma pulse
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Oh boom like up your nose
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dad how you like me now
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it was truly how you like me now look
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and I was like wow
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Santa really did a number on daddy did
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me and she was like hmm and so I've been
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continuing to play this like well I
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guess Santa you know against daddy's
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wishes brought this else in on into my
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home and she and she's just so gratified
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just trots around and and she took a
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necklace that she was right around her
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neck and built it into an honor sling
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where she walks around with the honor
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around her neck like it's like it's a
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mr. t chain
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yeah like she just hangs around her neck
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now that she wears the doll she wears it
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kind of like kind of like Twiggy and
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Buck Rogers a with guys like our dr.
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Theophilus yeah led me to be immediately
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and and so what can I do and anyway all
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by way of saying she believes in Santa
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and she primarily I think believes in
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Santa as a daddy for our death order
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haha that but it's really it's at least
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one and a half gift maybe two or three
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gifts in one cuz she got the things she
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yeah despite it all and boy and you know
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let daddy let this serve as a lesson to
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you maybe you're not the smart guy you
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thought you were now she's not an addict
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yeah she stuck it to the man hardcore
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and so now I you know
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and and the fact that they are more or
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less the dimensions of Barbies and you
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can get Barbie stuff and apply it to
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them because she also doesn't have any
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Barbies which i also get in trouble for
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me the Barbies got dive-bombed into our
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life by relatives oh so the thing is I
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mean she's had exposure Barbies but I we
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did not have a super duper ooper
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shmooper strong POV on this but sure
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there was it was mutual assent of like
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all the kind of kid shit that's going to
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be in our life Barbie was not gonna be
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near the top of the list sure that your
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palm right but i have to tell you like
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certain beloved family members thought
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otherwise and things when you die
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bonding with notches Barbie but some
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Barbie outfits plus like a like a house
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there delivering like a whole franchise
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and now your RV person understands shoes
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everywhere and so I've avoided that also
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for you man except two things 1i have
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you know i'm i'm just generating pure
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consternation from 99% of the other like
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liberal mom's liberal progressive
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educated moms like me who are just like
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he can't fight city hall daling and also
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watching her interact with Elsa Anna I
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realize she's ready to progress from
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baby dolls where the primary narrative
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is ok baby like here's your bottle to
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these are dolls where she can interact
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complicated narratives with them they
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are they are sentient dolls you know
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they represent characters that now she
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can inhabit with adventure rather than
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just I'm caring for you now she can have
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these dolls and so they become closer to
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what we traditionally for boys called
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action figures like these yeah these are
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these are these are at these are
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characters with with things to do and I
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can enact that
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yeah they have agency and she can now
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talk to them and they can reply
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whereas you know the babies because i
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was also getting second baby dolls let's
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be honest because it's just that's
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what's just as cycle of baby's hungry
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babies tired but you know baby kiss baby
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something like kiss
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she's like kiss baby again I'm like kiss
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she's like puts the baby right in my
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face baby wants to play and I'm like I
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daddy's daddy is reading a book
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she's like you know like so now I feel
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like what the babies are going to go
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the babies are going to go into a box
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eventually I'm going back out at some
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ya got the nod at least in my experience
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like my daughter has so much stuff and
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she doesn't see it for a while and then
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she when she sees it's like junior
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christmas because she's like she's
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really recently discovered her thomas
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train sets which had been in a box and
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it was totally fun to put those together
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I mean that's silly because like she's
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nine but I'm 50 and I loved it it's
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going to make a triangle around a track
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it is I I can i still have a giant h/o
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train set in boxes upstairs that I just
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keep thinking I'm going to set up in the
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barn but the problem with HR trains is
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that the trains themselves are
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twenty-five percent of what is really a
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old man playset of paper mache hm just
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letting you tell me this before but
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remind me choose the pretty big one's
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no those are Lionel's are like you know
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like out of train scales again spent too
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aight show like if you had let's say you
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know those when you go to the fair or
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you go you're walking downtown and and
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you go to a hotdog stand there like
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hotdogs and then like a big hot dog and
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then like the the sausage Size hot dog
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was just like a big fat thing and they
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have somehow they have extra size buns
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that the whole thing is like almost
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grotesquely oversized one of those in
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the bun is about the size of a pho train
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i see i walked on an image that compares
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a Z NHO and G yeah
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hahha looks like a good size they chose
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the perfect size it's the i would say
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it's the most popular train son I always
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I always wondered what it would have
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been like if i had started with an M
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scale because II scale is too small for
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anything makes a lot of sense because
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Dennis sense that you can do more
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i'm assuming the availability of stuff
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for it you can accomplish more in a
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smaller amount of space without becoming
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that guy that has a whole transcendence
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basement exactly right if you you could
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put an entire end scale on your dining
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room table and make a fairly complete
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world like a Z scale if you took up your
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dining room table with a Z scale you
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could basically do all of Switzerland to
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I'm really cute that you can see the
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size of the thomas trains what what is e
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yeah they're that small
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yeah i mean they fit mostly like if you
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put James or person in the palm of your
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hand he mostly disappear I'd say they're
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eating yeah they're good you get the
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little engines in a minute that one
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thing it's kind of nice is that the
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track on which those run has become
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somewhat standardized so basically
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there's all kinds of different train
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things that fit that size of track
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doesn't have to be like Thomas the Train
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branded and you can run your friend
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kinds of brands of you know license
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train things on the same trashy I see
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oh I didn't realize that yeah that's an
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advertisement thomas train ones are
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mostly for little kids you get the
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little one was don't have an engine we
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have a few that have have an engine and
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those are obviously to me a lot more fun
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a battery-powered way to propel itself
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around the track rather than going to
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chew with your hand so these are not
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controlled from a central controller but
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they each have a battery within them
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yeah you put one double a into you get
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self Thomas you get yourself Spencer you
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get a lady train was always our big
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winner can get James and Percy and and
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yet and then you run around and they
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have all kinds of things they go down
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the mine shaft and go up the hill
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yeah if you get enough yet what you
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really want to get a lot of those
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straight ones that are like nine or 10
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inches long
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get one of those and then you can make
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like a double like you could make like a
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tunnel and attract that runs on top of
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it you get a switcher and you're good to
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you're not the only one that was a
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straight one that's nine inches long
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Ramos boiled well that was such a sad
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but no no it's Christmas and trying to
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keep it you know thanks
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oh sure yeah yeah go ahead
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cheese Louise you know it's not a it's
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trains from an electric controller and I
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copy of the blues brothers album we
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basement he also train set down there so
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I was associated Blues Brothers with the
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model train i had every blues brothers
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on vital that right yeah i know i'm i'm
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not proud of it now
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oh what fun stuff well but you know like
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the blues brothers made a couple the
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all with an asterisk Blues Brothers
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fandom ends in the early eighties you
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know like it doesn't end with Belushi's
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death because the Blues Brothers
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mushroom cloud continue to bloom em but
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legitimately buy a new blues brothers
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branded product but you know they made
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several records and those records were i
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knows the rubber biscuit one the ceiling
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when I know they're meant to be taken
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seriously as blues albums like blues &
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soul records so they're embarrassing
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just because neither accurate nor
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Belushi can actually sing and they you
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know they kind of grunt and groan and
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and caterwaul over these blues tracks
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and performances were so fun and the
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band understand what you say about the
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pan but you're looking at your you're
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listening to it on an album
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yeah so you don't get that you don't get
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all the act
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you don't get a lot done but yeah
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they're they're playing over Booker T
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and the MG's with like every other great
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player including Paul Shaffer in the in
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America like the band sounds incredible
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impact on FB megs 14 you know four fried
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chickens and a coke another movie so
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much i love it so much about your magnet
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windshield strong stuff i annoy Nazis no
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we're not going there
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we're not doing any more blues brothers
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I watched even though for the last two
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days I've been watching godfather
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ah in increments because my godfather
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watching partner keeps falling asleep
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oh now we're back to this and when I say
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ah like when I when I give my godfather
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watching partner and elbow and I say are
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you serious right now she says no I love
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it it's incredible it's just that
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something i'm too hot i had a too much
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popcorn something so we were up to
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that's that's hard for me now did this
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okay I'm officially old that is hard for
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me to understand it's very hard
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I don't know how you make a nice night
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against answer key so I don't know how
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you make it through without watching it
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at a sitting and being riveted at every
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single point and at the end going wow I
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can't believe that was whatever 29 hours
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so she's she's she is fairly really the
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best miss the best movie but then she
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just sort of a sudden she gets too much
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popcorn
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I'm like what is it what happened what
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what what's the last thing you remember
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she was like uh they were talking about
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you know like Luca Brasi was getting
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strangled or whatever no spoiler alerts
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right around so so far we have made it
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apollonia is is destroyed in a bomb and
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how many
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settings like 3-4 settings mmm we've got
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we booted three sittings ok but i
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thought you know be able to to get
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myself over the hump of buying this
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thing for four dollars and so we're
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doing very much but I have really been
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struggling even in the you know the half
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our that we've been talking to one
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another and not just just talking to you
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strictly in Godfather quotes not doing
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it i'm not doing it to her because it
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for a better one spooker yeah I know I
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know I know
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well i hope that they allowed to your
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hand I feel your pin and so I mean what
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can a person do right i mean it's it's
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better than when I showed her ET and she
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just checked out I was like this isn't
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any fun to watch this
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alright i can I can handle it and then
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she showed me crazy stupid love was like
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isn't this a great movie
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krazy stoopid nineties goods will
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remember i have a 90s kid got a 90
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students in the nineties movie as a
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steve carell movie and yeah with Ryan
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Gosling Gosling apparently Gosling Emma
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im sorry IM stones i think you know what
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a charming knowledge- but what I didn't
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realize because ryan gosling was a
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character that I only knew from the
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cover of magazines at the grocery store
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I just booked I don't know what does the
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well I mean you know if you saw but you
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know he's he's done some he's been very
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funny in movies to he's done a couple
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movies DVD drive c drive my friend so
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it's a it's like a gangster movie I mean
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basically a guy his getaway driver a
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for-hire getaway driver
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alright don't say another word the
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aesthetic of the movie is where yet may
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see it just gonna say it
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I found surprising even though Ryan
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Gosling is basically playing a like an
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men's rights activist to neg
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girls in the film he's doing it it's pre
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it's pretty gamergate this movie was
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made pretty gamergate so we're meant to
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find this character charming or at least
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low he's mad he's a rake
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john is a rate that's right we're meant
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to envy his his suavity with the ladies
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that's a big part of the plot but what
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what I was surprised at was that i found
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because I thought ryan gosling was going
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to be one of these actors of his
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generation was just like beyond because
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they're there are they all really like
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playing under play this is really seems
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like one of those actors were like i
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turn my wife and go with this person
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ever on Dawson's Creek i'm getting
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Dawson's Creek I don't know what it is
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but because here
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exactly it's somebody that was on a TV
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show never saw a channel i didn't get
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that was for people that weren't me
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yeah yeah and I thought that too but
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watching this I was like I find Ryan
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Gosling apparently charming and I
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understand why girls uh like him and if
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you look at him closely you realize he
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has hips you know he's not like a he's
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not like one of these impossible Bobby's
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super buff and cut or whatever but he
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also you know he has yes shapely male
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he's not he's not Brad Pitt right where
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you look at Brad Pitt near like I could
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work 18 hours a day for 10 years I would
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never have but brad pitt's physique
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because i'm just not i'm just not born
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that way
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right right but Ryan Gosling you're like
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oh right he's the you-know-who's shape
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the man and my godfather watching
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partner says that Ryan Gosling is what
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she imagines River Phoenix would have
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looked like if he'd grown up and I was
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like oh look a world where river phoenix
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is like oh he's like James Dean was for
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us and I the James djane jacket of the
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of the 9006 who
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oh it's only they who will get this yes
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so all by a all a leading up to the fact
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that i saw lala land which also has a
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land it's gotta be honest I think that's
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good and they have a little you know
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they they they have a wrap
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or that was established at this earlier
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film and so they are kind of the you
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know the Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire
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of their day even though they can either
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sing or dance but you know like that's
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good going to twist i really have the
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right I realized as I was watching lala
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oh this is an attempt a fairly sly
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attempt by these filmmakers to uh to
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take advantage of this this pre-existing
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understanding that these two are a very
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very good on-screen oh it's like a
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little intertextual thing like some of
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the appearances of like Robert De Niro
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and a movie with us or or even marlon
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brando in the freshman where there's a
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notch or other things that they've done
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kind of encompasses what they're doing
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now right and so now we're looking at a
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future where I think you really need to
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be a 90s kid understand that but now
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that you explained that I get it
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yeah it's like a Gosling stone picture
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causing sound and we're going to see
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them reoccur and it's not that they're
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playing the same people every time
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they're just taking advantage of the
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fact that we love to see Gosling and
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stone do their due their bits maybe get
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like Woody Allen and Diane Keaton or
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something
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yeah exactly even though one of the
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great one of the great signs that my
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godfather watching friend gets it is
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that she said who's that who's that lady
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said you mean Diane Keaton k and she was
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like that's Diane Keaton I said yeah
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this is early early dices early Diane
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yeah and she said I don't like her and
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oh boy I ring I ring the tugboat Bell
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you're not a fan
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I find Diane King to be very you know
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and her Woody Allen period is is what it
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is it's an amazing record of our era of
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our time and I kind of Godfather the
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thing is that James items are shed my
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call yeah she's a she is playing on a
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fairly unlikable character and she's
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bringing it i think k's unlikable
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because k is presented in the film as
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the agent the primary agent of
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encouraging Michael to leave the family
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business even though Michael wants to
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and even though he promises her he will
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so it's money Michael sets the stage but
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imagine if K had overtime just as
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Michael did realized that this was again
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inevitable she becomes more like Karen
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in goodfellas yeah embraces the reason I
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got a fellow traveler right she's like
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you know what this is who we are and
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even though I am a even though I'm a
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shiksa i'm gonna become a Sicilian Mafia
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wife instead she's like this sort of
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harpy over time she because she becomes
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a heartbeat
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what you're going to get email i'm gonna
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get a lot but I did not find k to be a
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powerful a you know like female role I
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found her to be you know kind of a nag
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and ultimately like she's she's one of
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the things that presented this conundrum
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to Michael where was he going to do he
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can't he can't but do what he's doing
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actors of any age or stripe who have who
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had you know million like I had like two
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dozen million-dollar films I feel like
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tiniest violin but I and I understand I
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for older women to get you know starring
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roles in films but Diane Keaton is just
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lush but like super super violent and
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catching up on how many people were in
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that movie that I didn't realize from
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yeah let me really a bit have you ever
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googled Helen Mirren nudes are you and I
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the nude
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dad's got the benedict cumberbatch with
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yeah I always try and watch the
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crown and they're doing they do like
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yeah so i haven't watched almost too
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much Shakespeare from yeah well you know
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cumberbatch with a hump but Allah you
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winter of our discontent that's how it
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he's going to help me shirtless with a
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driver so badly that he wanted to give
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estimation fan so that's a weird thing
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everything goodbye girl and i know it
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my age at four time it was named check
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Seinfeld that it's like it's crazy that
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my window
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goodbye girl I don't think so because
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it's cute it's like it's like Neil Simon
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movies where I don't know how you could
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watch brighton beach memoirs at any age
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at any time and not be charmed now i am
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mr. goodbye by brighton beach memoirs
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seventies like almost because it all
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mostly takes place in an apartment
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play it feels like a play and and and in
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that sense like it's a good play and
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Richard Dreyfuss its young Richard
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right around close encounters 77 it says
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Richard drivers from his
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turkey stage you know
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yeah we're just like you just show up
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the scenery you Richard drivers don't
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eat eat eat it and it has a it has a
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charming a like a nine-year-old girl
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who's uh who's wise before her years I
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remember who who reminds me of your
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daughter honestly Clint Cummings she was
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an actress I remember her child actress
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it's a lifetime in the nineties look at
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that she's like she is the blossom of
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the seventies that what you're saying
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she's gonna look at that she's been a
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Beretta Starsky and Hutch six million
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dollar man yeah all the shows all the
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great chose family family was at the
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loan with kristy mcnichol yeah man it's
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hard for her
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yeah i'm looking right now write it
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right here in front of me on my on my
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desk which is also right now at least my
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dining room table with her i have a copy
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of dynamite magazine with that's a
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that's called the meat kristy mcnichol
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issue of dynamite magnet can still see
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the cover and yea right it's a wonderful
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around still have a copy i had a
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subscription i still have a copy and how
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somewhere of the bee gees vs The Beatles
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who's better than even a big showdown
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I think it's still an open question
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however is a final paragraph even in the
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end even that remember the sense begins
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going to appeals right they gave it to
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him but it was a squeaker like right to
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the last yeah yeah made it right through
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that well I mean you remember when
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squeezed was the new beetle squeeze are
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going to make bad finger look like a big
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star or something it's got a picture of
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kristy mcnichol riding a skateboard and
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the dynamite duo these are the dynamite
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saturday morning show
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nope nope dynamic duo's in the last
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pages of the cartoon
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a little comic book thing in dynamite
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right it is a comic dirty but to but I
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feel like I feel like a dynamite do are
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described as they are what are they but
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ordered ordinary teenagers a strange
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series of events change their lives
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forever attending a carnival the twins
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won a weird-looking set of matching
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rings they're twins that one it's like
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kinda like the wonder twins and when
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they take put the rings on them they
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become a dawn star and night glider mm
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powers activate right shape of a nice
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monkey right dawn star and night glider
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and their Super Heroes which so that's
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what I thought you would know them yeah
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so sentence so there's dynamite right
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this is supportive of whatever 277 times
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since many readers mr. the exciting
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origin of the duo and some of their
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early exploits we decided to review
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what's happened so far
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here are the most frequently asked
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questions about our favorite superheroes
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and then an entire page of dynamite duo
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wow it's called the fact sheet and then
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describes better than anything else
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triple page article on lon chaney oh it
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was got our age was weird
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you're right you're absolutely right and
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things like variety shows
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we're like not just at sullivan but like
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Carol Burnett were like you might you
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super weird or you might see like Milton
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on on the hunchback of notre dame and
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like all these black-and-white photos
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love lon chaney in between a description
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of the dynamite duo and Kristy McNicol
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riding a skateboard and you're just like
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asking 78 meet and Kristy McNicol
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big article on the Muppets Muppets come
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from one
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creatures and you might guess the moon
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anything right like Marilyn Vos savant
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magazine you turn the page it's talking
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era of the original like cool t-shirt
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iron-on t-shirt see our article about
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with National Geographic world which
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love that thing like the close-ups of
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like you know patterns of close to try
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to identify what it was
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oh yeah yeah you know my i I've told you
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before my mom got me a subscription to
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was what I needed you know a lonely
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sandwich posting things on Instagram the
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other day where he was like I took my
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kids to see something you always
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remember your first movie was just kids
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first movie in the theater you always
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remember your first movie and you always
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remember your first movie my first movie
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was dr. Zhivago my mom took me to see a
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like the biggest theater in town a
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running old movies for ninety-nine cents
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decrepit dusty the seats were all had
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you know the stuffing was coming out of
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the seats and you could buy this ticket
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and a popcorn and walk into this
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cavernous theater that had 11 people in
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it to see a matinee of Doctor Zhivago a
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three hour film about the Russian
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Revolution a three-hour romantic
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rendition of the Russian Revolution and
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that you know this was my first movie as
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a kid and my mom was like you're gonna
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love it it's one of the great films and
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i'm just sitting in the theater like the
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entire experience was overwhelming being
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in the theater was overwhelming
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like the type of theatre as you walk
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down the aisle you can hear and this was
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back when everybody wore leather soled
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shoes too so your people are walking
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down the aisle like clop clop clop like
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like you're walking through the CIA
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headquarters
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yeah but you're in this like seven is
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just the theater was as much a character
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in the film and then i'm watching this
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completely unintelligible movie to me
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and yeah you're blowing sandwiches right
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stuck in my head that's where we'll
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start with Star Wars it wasn't jaws it
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was in and then she took me to the
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auntie mame which scarred me for life
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really a team name is that Ethel Merman
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uh no no it's that way i know this is it
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dad let me get Joan yes is it right
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between Russell me now
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well as any music is because there's
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name and then there's the other one
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that's like main you got the worst part
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was that rice and you got the one Barbra
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Streisand it's like me get this right is
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in this rosalind russell laws with
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Russell process lasted one of my
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confusing it with what's the other one
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uh the other one is the one about about
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Joan Crawford being a terrible mall
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could be i remember we have the musical
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in a check of the musical man yeah i
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thought that that bad out about the main
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house and we ok so business relatively
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few walls that was Lucille Ball's 1974
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and Sue oh you're right the musical with
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Lucille Ball I the original was a
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Technicolor comedy from 1950s of course
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I see my confusion now
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yeah yeah with Rosalind Russell but what
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was what was the one I was just talking
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about the the mom actress that was a
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terrible mom
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oh that would be Nathan playmaking 81
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probably mommy dearest
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Oh mommy dearest that was based on the
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book by her daughter Christine
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yeah so my mom took me to see mommy
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that's the one that scarred me for life
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oh my god your skull army poor line
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makes reading Ron not a very good mami
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not a good mommy I don't know know
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it'sit's complicated it's hard to be a
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yeah John are you how are you going to
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survive the or how you survived how you
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move forward with the on Elsa Elsa
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situation was so you still are you hyper
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vigilant for four more incursions into
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this are you are you okay with your role
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as bad santa how how are you going to
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proceed
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well so I don't let stand to win this
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one yeah Santa gets this one alright
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once and this one Santa Santa Santa
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Santa takes it and I'm going to I'm
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going to continue to salt a little bit
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in order to really play up the fact that
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Santa and by extension my daughter like
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made it happen at daddy's expense
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because i feel like that is she
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definitely feels empowered by it and I
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have to have to have to lose this one I
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have to lose gracefully that's a lesson
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in losing gracefully
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yeah but i can stop a little bit because
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it feels like I'd you know like I lost
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one fair and square
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I love my daughter gets the better of me
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it makes me really happy
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yeah but you know oh I wanted like most
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of us do initially to raise my daughter
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in a gender neutral environment and I
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went to great lengths to create a
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positive gender neutrality in our home
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not as an experiment but just as a way
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of of of setting up a kind of freedom
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dozens more interesting do and I
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honestly it'sit's you know if you just
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feed everybody from the same big spoon
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that we were fed with it's not as
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interesting
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yeah you just let her let her pick and
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from the very earliest moment if you put
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a if you put a pink car and a blue car
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she would pick up the pink car think a
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friend and went through something very
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similar to this
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yeah and she would pick up the pink car
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turn it over on its back and cradle it
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and say
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that's a good baby kiss kiss right just
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the base and I'm like that it honey that
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is the 1971 Camaro that I that I went to
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great lengths to find you
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yeah and she's like kiss the baby so i
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stopped fighting that a long time ago
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and now I feel like I'm just in it to
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win it you know well what you what she
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wants I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be in
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there like don't you want to play with
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this truck
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I'm just gonna say like you do you want
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the Barbies want the on and also like
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here we come
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there's a funny thread through several
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things we're talking about i don't know
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why i'm thinking that this book but we
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talked earlier about like being a kid
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and then i would like to your seventies
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kid to growing up in the seventies and
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you know even though we didn't have
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things like prayer in school there was a
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grace note to almost everything we did
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in winter that it was about Christmas
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and so I'm just thinking no like now
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today I think we're still struggling
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with how to handle that setting aside
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the war on Christmas and all that but
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like nobody wants to be a dick about it
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you don't assume something about
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somebody even with something as
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seemingly innocuous as a greeting but I
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feel like the phrase i think it's going
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through my head as I feel like for
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example being a very observant Jew in
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the seventies must be must be worse than
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like being a vegan today
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look there's an option for you but like
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it's really not the best we've got like
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you know like yeah okay we'll take into
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consideration we make the poster and we
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have to look up how to say all these
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things in different languages will find
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a way to work in some Hanukkah you know
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Monica is kind of a neutered Christmas
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for Jews you know we want to acknowledge
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that but like you know how do you how do
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you do that as a family like you just
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nobody wants to wants to be a dick about
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this except for the chris ward christmas
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people like nobody wants to be a jerk
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about this you don't want to hurt
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anybody's feelings and the current the
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holidays are already fraught enough
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without adding all this drama you know
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for sure but all of that is part of a
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thing like we have made it our cultural
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imperative to presume
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that everyone wants to be part of the
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mainstream and that the mainstream needs
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to be broad enough that it encompasses
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everyone and I think in this up until
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very very recently to whatever degree a
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like smaller groups of of culture were
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like not included at all in the
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mainstream you also have the advantage
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of being of knowing that you were
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outside the mainstream and that being a
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thing of its own appeal and i think i
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think we if you were seven years old and
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in school and everybody was talking
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about Jesus and you were Jewish
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it could have been very uncomfortable
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and if you could have felt like why am I
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excluded from Christmas but i think
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within the Jewish community of adults
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there was absolutely no interest in
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being you know included in the in
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Christian mainstream nobody cared
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among adult Jews whether or not they
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mentioned Hanukkah on the evening news
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because there was a there was a complete
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understanding we are separate community
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we have our own traditions we are happy
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more than happy to be excluded from the
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mainstream culture as long as you don't
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yeah try and burn our synagogue right
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yeah this was a thing that I personally
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saw when gay culture went into the
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mainstream because when i first was a
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week and that's it's changed a lot since
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then we're used to hell no I don't want
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to be a parent like that don't include
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me in your family thing I got my own
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thing going on
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stop trying to turn me into like a
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version of me that you understand
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yeah right i mean the the whole notion
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of I mean there were always gay people
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that just wanted to settle down and be a
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happy couple is consistent would be
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harassed you know but they're there well
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it's not it's like don't come to our
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bars and fuck them up please stop trying
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to turn us into the sympathetic friend
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like just let me be a person and then I
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was no big push to domesticate and
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suburban eyes or to feel to make it so
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even within gay culture that was added
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and you don't know exactly that that
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really feels like least in my exposure
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feeling something in the last 10-15
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years and what's been lost
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is this completely like envelop
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a separate and other like gay culture
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which had all its own touchstones all
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its own secret language all its own and
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tend to whatever degree like there was
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persecution involved within the within
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the bubble there was no desire to be
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like mainstreamed man it was it was it
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was part of the appeal and not part of
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the appeal but it was it was a wonderful
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thing I mean and the thing is we all
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know what it's like to have a secret
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culture it's the thing in a lot of our
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lives that we prize the most so the idea
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that that equality under the law also
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means which is the thing that we all
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absolutely desire and equality under the
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lawn and freedom from being openly
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oppressed is a thing that that that is
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what we call justice and that's what
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we're all working toward but the idea
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that mainstream culture should be a
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thing that that in that is completely
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inclusive of everybody
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it kind of misses the point of
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mainstream which is a thing that not we
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that to exclude yourself from or to even
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be excluded from missed another word for
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mainstream in some ways is Germany and I
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mean it's a way of mainstream I mean to
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me I think about the germany and the way
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I learned it back in back in the day was
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the japanese cultural hegemony was this
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idea that like especially enough there
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authoritarian regime really anywhere the
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most almost those radical of ideas can
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become kind of rounded off and
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incorporate into the system such that
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it's very difficult to be outside the
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system because the system eventually
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makes everything part of it right it
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absorbs and neuters all difference who
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and and new years is going to play em
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yeah you remember for many years where
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mainstream in our culture was synonymous
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with Doland and useless in a way and now
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we're now the opposite is true now we're
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trying to mainstream every you know
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every like permutation of difference
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commenced and also now is code for
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dishonest mainstream now is you take
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this thing that's truthful from my new
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product and then take all the truth out
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of it to put into your news truck
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products because you don't tell the
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truth you're not you're not being honest
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about this story but a lot of the lot of
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the gay people I know that are my age
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you know in a way they kind of I mean
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they're glad for their glad to have been
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like it within the culture taken out of
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the out of the enforced closet but they
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also lament all that was lost culturally
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you know now it's just like I guess I'm
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supposed to get married now why would
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anyone course you gotta count a little
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bit for you know aids in the eighties
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and like i said i'm still I feel like
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I'm still as many documentaries and
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things I've read and you know and some
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extent lived through and Friends of
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hiv/aids in college you know and even a
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tease but you know i'm still getting my
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head around how much of America was lost
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over about eight to ten years its I'm
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still really getting that there are
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certain especially in creative things
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like you know like the dance and theater
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community in New York just got it is
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rated I mean it's still is like you
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talked about this and like all the all
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the lives you know lot you know that
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lives just the people were just normal
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the soldiers lost in World War two but
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then just how many trombone players died
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in World War two
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we look at it that way its kind of
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staggering and I don't start changing
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the topic here but yeah it'sit's you
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know back then you could come to a place
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you can go to manage village you go to
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the castro and you can find this little
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terrarium to live it wherever not
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everyone's like everybody agreed on the
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same thing but like there's so much
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shared cultural DNA about what we're
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here for and they were interfered with
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two surpassingly much and it got a very
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quickly turning this driving culture
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within like fewer than a dozen years
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you've got this like really thriving
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community of something that you could be
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considered so Trey like in like you must
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it must be kind of a bummer to look for
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all those reasons to see that go away
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you know where that is pet stores and
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dildos but like you can also get baby
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stuff there
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it's the weirdest thing because from
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within American
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culture right it's very easy to look at
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I mean the vast majority of the people
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in the world and say they're living on a
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dollar a day right and that amount of
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crushing poverty is a thing that is a
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tragedy and that we from our wealthy
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tower need to address this tragedy for
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other on behalf of other people we need
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to lift them out of their dollar a day
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existence and and from my perspective it
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often takes the form of a kind of do
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they know it's Christmas level of
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condescension it's like the people in
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Africa that I can really still sympathy
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for these people is to realize how much
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I missed Christmas if I was starving
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yeah right like like the people in
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Africa really think like they don't need
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to know it's Christmas that's not the
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point now and so from my from my
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experience as a traveler right
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everywhere you go no matter how much
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money people have they are like they are
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a super like glad to be in love they
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love music and dance they are glad for
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the food that they get and the then the
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proportion of people that are love that
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are literally starving is you know is
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you wish that you could do something for
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them but most people that are living on
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a dollar-a-day have a quality of life
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that maybe surpasses the quality of life
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that you have if you're making two
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hundred thousand dollars a year and live
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alone in a you know in a cold heart
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filled the condo downtown and have no
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friends and spend all day on the
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internet yelling at people behind an egg
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avatar like to live in a bit village
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where your heart has dirt dirt floor but
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you're surrounded by people you love and
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just from a strictly human standpoint
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your quality of life is higher and our
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rich condescension to to those people is
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is pathetic
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we don't realize how much we have
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destroyed our quality of life because of
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our wealth and you know you say
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greenwich village and cast the castro
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but I don't know if I've ever told the
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story of my first exposure to a gay bar
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and it was in anchorage in about
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nineteen eighty-five and light now if
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you have a remember my friend Kalin I
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were out at night driving around call
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you tell Ellen I were up there and we
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were just looking for trouble and in
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anchorage in the eighties the gay bars
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were all very subdued on the outside
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they didn't mean there was one that with
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everybody knew was the main sort of gay
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bar that you would drive by and kind of
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look at like there's the gay bar but
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there are other gay bars and they were
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just you know they they played it pretty
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suddenly they weren't called like cuffs
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or anything they were just like you know
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smaller little little pubs and taverns
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and kill an hour drive around downtown
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was two o'clock in the morning and I you
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know we used to do this all the time
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just looking for something anything you
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know looking for something that isn't
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nailed down driving along we see this
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bar emptying out it's 2am and everyone
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in the bar is coming out at the same
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time and there's probably 50 people
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pouring out of this bar and as we drive
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by we see that the people coming out of
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this bar are of it's a very colorful
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cast of people and so we pull over and
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we're like what the hell is going on in
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that bar and we we park kind of in the
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shadows and we see that we had gradually
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dogs on us like up there
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ok everyone that's coming out of that
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bars gay happen they're behaving very
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flamboyant a lot of them flamboyantly
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like I my yard and the whole you're
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seeing it all unfold and I had a gay
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friend in high school who was like a
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lovely guy and that but I had never
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experienced a whole room of people all
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coming out and it becomes obvious that
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there that the conversation is
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continuing in the parking lot and
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they're making plans
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two go two up there making plans to go
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to a party and we're seeing all this
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from across the street and like they're
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all getting in their cars and then one
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by one their cars all leave the parking
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lot and all head off together in a
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convoy and you know this is like a
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lower-middle-class bar so they're pintos
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and you know k cars and stuff it's not
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like a it's not like a glamorous scene
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but they all had often in a parade and
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Callen I just instinctively like start
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the car follow the parade and so off we
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it's two in the morning there's nobody
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on the street there's a parade of nine
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cars or something and then tell and I
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back a quarter of a mile behind
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following along and the parade goes off
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and off into the suburbs than off always
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the Eagle River like outside of
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Anchorage and we're just following the
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whole time like what is going to happen
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what is going to happen and they go into
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this neighborhood wind their way and
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come to a little house and everybody
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parks on the street outside and they all
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piled out of their cars and into this
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little house and can i park across the
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street and we watch the whole party and
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it's very fun everybody's having a good
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time they all know each other
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pour into this house and we're sitting
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across the street and were like whoa
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what we do now
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like what do we do and we both wanted to
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go to the party and so we look at each
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other and you know we're highschool kids
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and this is a risky moment because it's
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like you want to go to the party
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yes I kind of do you want to the party
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yes but this is in a time and in a
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culture when it was it was just
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commonplace for being the biggest put
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down you could say to a guy was like
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you're a fag and now we're sitting here
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across the street from this party and
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we're like let's go
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so we pile out of the car march across
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the lawn knock on the door
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and everybody in the party that was
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invited to the party is already in the
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party so the party gets quiet you can
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hear it like who's at the door and they
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opened the door and here are these two
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highschool boys and we said can we come
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to your party and they said sure and
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invited us in and the party picks back
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up again but everyone in the party is
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like who are you where did you come from
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how did you find our party and so we
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just copped to it
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we're parked across the street from your
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bar we saw everybody come out and we
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followed you and now we're here and we
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were completely embraced everything they
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had so many questions about being a
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straight high school boy and we had so
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many questions about like like who like
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she is obviously a boy and she's just
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like a girl
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what is that and and big laugh and then
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everybody explains and it was Anchorage
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gay culture in the eighties so this was
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a bar that was like it wasn't a drag bar
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it wasn't a dyke bar everybody was there
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right i mean there were lesbians at this
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party there it was a complete rainbow of
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of what represented like gay and
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alternative culture because they were
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also straight like friends of gay people
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at this party wasn't really like dots
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yeah i mean the whole I mean they
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weren't they were gay Goths right i mean
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it wasn't like also a golf bar but it
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was an incredible night and the whole
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thing was for me like also fraught with
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sexual tension because was like what's
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going to happen I don't know where we
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were taught that a that part of gay
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culture was that was a promiscuity and
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so r is this a promiscuous party and I'm
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I'm a virgin I'm desperate to have sex
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with somebody but it I don't is it going
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to happen tonight
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I don't know what with the context be
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who here is who here are my most
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attracted to
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are they attracted to me
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and there was a lot of flirtation but it
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was this expect for me like this
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shattering moment where I realized there
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were subcultures that weren't just park
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because I knew about punk subculture and
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I was a you know a reluctant like
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scowling adjacent punk because my sister
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was Punk and I was her escort and so you
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know i went to every punk show that was
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ever in anchorage but i always was
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leaning against the back wall going
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this is bullshit but i was there you
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know what I loved it but here was a
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subculture that wasn't punk that also
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felt permanent like it was this was what
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if it's not like c32 felt like one it's
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not sturdy yeah it felt sturdy there was
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a tremendous sense of belonging and
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inclusiveness within it and at you and
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both Kelly and I felt some Envy at the
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amount of love that you know 11
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acceptance that was sort of that
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permeated this small party of very
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different people you know they there
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wasn't a there wasn't a single gay a
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single type of gay it was every kind of
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person at this party right and you know
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and that was a lightning bolt for me
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that from then on I you know personally
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at them had no had no prejudice and
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before that I had the prejudice of
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ignorance and after that I was just like
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well what happen if you say if you say
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anything about gays it's just because
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you don't know anything about them and
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in my first job when I got to seattle
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was in the gay bar so it was like it
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wasn't just the castro
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every little town had this going on and
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I think in the Midwest and in the red
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states now that's still true if you're
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you know if you're in Missouri or you're
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in Kansas there are there still is this
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bar and there still is that party and
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from the castro or from Seattle we look
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at it we go oh my god and because there
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is violence directed at those
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populations we imagined that their whole
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existence is characterized by fear and
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violence but it isn't you know the
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violence and the and the hatred and the
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exclusion are are they don't actually
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impact what it's like to be in that
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space in a way all that hostility
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creates that the love and solidarity in
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that space and that's a hard thing to I
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think for everybody in that room if they
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were completely mainstreamed that would
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be lost and that's me and that's the
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thing that in the pursuit of like total
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liberation and and I would never from
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outside say that if that was preferable
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right I can't say that I can't know that
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obviously you want to be able to walk
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down the street and and be yourself and
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not be assaulted but whatever that small
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and punk rock used to be like that to
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you know you were at risk when you're
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out in public wearing a mohawk that some
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rednecks are gonna be your ass and that
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was part of you know that was part of
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what made punk rock so amazing from
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and you know I'm not a risk of getting
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my ass beat and never was but at a
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partly I felt envy for the four like the
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small community that I never would have
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access to really unless I was unless I
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was faking it you know yeah yeah um I it
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sit it on the one hand it sounds
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probably kind of odd or ironic for
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somebody like you or me to say you feel
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Envy for that because one reason people
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end up finding those little cur asses
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and life is because maybe oftentimes
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they don't have anybody else and and
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also to your point that you you are
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right i mean obviously when you go to a
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big town is going to be gay bars there
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were times where I just I didn't know
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bars for gay bars because I didn't know
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what to look for i don't even know what
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it really meant but also that I mean I
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think one thing is like we were sort of
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raised once you knew it gave our was you
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figured as a place where much just men
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were having sex in the bathroom and
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that's not what it was and it could be
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but it was it was just a place a could
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just be a safe place it could be a fun
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place to place
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yeah being I'm not trying to finalize
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anybody here I'm feel like I'm getting a
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little dangerous i don't want to make
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anybody adorable to fit my narrative
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just people and it's nice to be around
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people we can do you do your thing and
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be who you want to be without as you say
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for getting your ass kicked
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I don't think it has to be that dramatic
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just in any town I guess I'm thinking in
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particular towns in Florida where I
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lived where it would be you know two
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years before I forget about the gay bar
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i didn't i didn't get hot you know I
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mean that there was it wasn't it wasn't
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it wasn't called like the third knuckle
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or something
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it was just called gyms or whatever and
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like right there wasn't it wasn't what
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you thought of from like chick
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publications and Quincy like that
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this is it's it's not anyway I just
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think it is interesting to think about
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that everybody wants a place that you
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didn't even know existed
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I think we've all gotten that likely
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even if you're just a little bit of a
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geek and you find you know geek friends
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or for some kids could be Scouts
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don't know like whatever it is it could
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be could be a christian church but like
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to find some place that feels welcoming
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and it is not asking you to capitulate
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and in fact not asking you to capitulate
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on your personality but say tell me more
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about your personality like that's okay
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like what and you can you first meet up
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with somebody who like knows this nerd
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thing and they know it more than you
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it's it's warm and tumbling and it's
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weird and you're like where has this
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been for my whole life and it's it's the
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best and you know tourists tourists but
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notwithstanding its still a wonderful
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thing dockers notwithstanding it's still
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really nice to like have a place where
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you can go and feel like you're more
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yourself than you were before you found
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it it seems like a more natural human
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State and this is why I kind of
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connected to this idea that that do they
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know it's christmas is so it's just so
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who let alone destructive because cities
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are unnatural agglomeration of people
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there were tribes make more sense
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yeah just a family of us if any of us in
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any walk of life could say that we had
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50 close friends 50 people close to us
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including family distant relatives and
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friends fellow villagers like there's
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nothing any of us want more
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you can't sustain a hundred close
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friends 50 is this maxing out and if you
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live in a 200-person village and you
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have let's say 30 rivals 50 people that
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are in your family and our close friends
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and then you know some other people that
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are shared the village but you know
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every single one of their names and you
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and at night everyone gathers around the
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the in their respective little compounds
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gathers around the fire and tell stories
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and things like that is the natural
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state of human beings and to be living
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each in our own you know it in our
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nuclear family in are under nuclear
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family in our in our a closed-door homes
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where we don't know our neighbors names
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that is the pathology and and two
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to imagine that freedom means that every
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one of 300 million people accepts me
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utterly and unreservedly is 0 is a
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modern like misapprehension yeah that
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that the feeling within your village of
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300 people and how it relates to the
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village of 300 people that is a mile and
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a half down the road like there's
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friendship there but also competition
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and in some cases you go 10 miles down
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the road maybe there's a tremendous lack
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of understanding i've told you about it
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when I walked across Europe and every
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single village as I headed east
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the villagers in and this is in Germany
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this isn't in you know pakistan i mean
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this is in this is in the center of what
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you develop Central's yeah what yeah and
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what you deserve the hyper developed
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world people would say oh well you know
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you're headed tomorrow you're going to
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cross into bavaria and watch out for
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those people today they are animal wow
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and and then and everyone in Germany was
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like do you know when you get into the
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Czech Republic watch out because if they
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are all like pickpockets and then the
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checks felt that way about this about
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the slow box and the slow box felt that
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way about the Hungarians and everyone
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agreed that the Romanians were all
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pickpockets and I was just I was it was
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just incredible to dig the the sense
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that as you moved East there was
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continual suspicion of the people that
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lived 100 miles east like like lasting
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thousand-year-old that they're more
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suction more primitive and dishonest
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yeah like closer to closer to some sort
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of like slovak agrarianism and then in
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and buy that by virtue of that their
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water is bad their churches bad their
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intentions are bad
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and from one german village to the next
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i was i just found this to be like
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incredible than the the people in the
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northwest of Germany felt the people in
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the south is using the people in the
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West about you
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yeah and I am what I don't know is if I
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had been walking the other way from east
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to west
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I just think that the snobs well yeah
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that's right like oh well you know if
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you had east from here you're not gonna
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be able to afford to get a dinner
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because they're idiots they pay this
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much you know for pork or whatever
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well no there's never there's I i found
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there was never that amount of knowledge
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the knowledge was confined to a little
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folk wisdom about what we know about
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these people
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notnot that because they're there are
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enough people from the east to have gone
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west and come back now what they know is
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everyone in Germany gets a thousand
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deutsche marks a month from the
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government and they say that from the
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perspective of uh of their own village
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where 10 Deutschmarks would make a huge
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difference in in there month you know
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like 10 Deutschmarks would enable them
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to to buy a car or to live in a nicer
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apartment and so they've heard in
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Germany everyone gets a thousand
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deutsche marks a month free from the
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government and what they don't realize
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is that a pack of cigarettes in Romania
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costs twenty-five cents impact our tents
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and send a pack of cigarettes in germany
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called six dollars there's no that
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there's an understanding of how much
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money there is but not understanding
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that there's a co measure increase in
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cost and difficulty and so that's the
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that's the experience you have I think
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moving east to west and moving west to
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east is just like the people there are
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so poor that they that they have to
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resort to stealing and they have no
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education and as a traveler moving
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through those spaces at a walking pace
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I mean you do see the changes their
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their enormous but you also feel like I
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mean there's a lot more
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community in Romania then there will
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ever be in germany and in the end like
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which do you want
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i know i am i partly I i feel like i
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have a funny side door into gay culture
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because i did not have a surpassing
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hey I had some in the closet ish friends
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where we didn't talk about it in high
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school but very few but I i did have
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gained by friends in college but it was
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not like a big part of my own culture is
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music that got me into it cuz that's
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where on the one hand for several years
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when I was most in the music in my life
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it was often gay bars that would have
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what was then called new wave night
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I'm but even if you didn't go on newegg
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night is where they would play just
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really good dance music that's gay bars
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is where that was happening and you know
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for me it was not any kind of like Oh a
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furtive gesture against Frank culture
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necessarily just that was a better bar
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to go to their pretty tolerant of these
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dorks coming in and messing up the place
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on tuesday nights but like that was that
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was for me that was an early exposure to
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large numbers of gay people and you
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realize hey you know they're pretty
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harmless they're not
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no they're not but hey they got inside
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me and changed me forever I wouldn't say
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they were harmless you gotta stay away
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from the Anchorage gays gonna give you
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an American girl hot
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yeah okay here's the thing so you're
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already the costly part is taking care
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of you got the tall just go the american
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girl doll store very soft hair
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yeah oh yeah oh yeah you should brush it
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though you know you gotta pressure but
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but you know just what it's worth the
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the target stores they sell a line I
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forget what it's called but you'll
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definitely know when you see it they
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sell a line of accessories and tableau
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and close that just just so happened to
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exactly fit american girl dolls and they
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are a lot less expensive tell me what
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their how are they branded i forget the
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name of it but you go to go
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going you'll see like you know you'll
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you'll instantly recognized I know the
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name of it but like if you want a less
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costly option and you want you want to
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be a hero in or have sent to be a hero
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that's a that's a good that's a good
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American girl hack now the store you can
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go it's fun you go to the store you can
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have tea with your doll also the the
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restrooms have a place to put your doll
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while you're using the bathroom when
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you're saying that there are american
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girl doll store with the thing that's a
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whole thing there's books my daughter's
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read the books you can read about your
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doll like my her favorite doll Rebecca
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is a their Jewish emigrate immigrant
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mm-hmm and they're trying to bring more
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the family back from Russia and a lot of
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drama monkey breaks his ankle no
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spoilers
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she's very excited about the about the
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books but yeah now it's the whole thing
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in the stores or I mean my daughter gets
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to go there mom takes are there for her
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birthday
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that's like a big event every year I'm
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not your search to get you don't need to
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get into their brand as long as target
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is getting there getting away with
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murder with these things because you can
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get really cool stuff that just happens
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to fit an American Girl doll at their
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stores you know one of our one of our
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earliest children's books here was about
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a young girl from from a shtetl sort of
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a 19th century a like village I have to
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assume in Poland whose rabbi has a
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certain amount of opportunity to send
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one person from the village to America
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and in his rabbinical wisdom he picks
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this orphan girl who lives with her
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grandmother and says you will and she's
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she her grandmother's taught her out of
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so lace and he says you are i'm going to
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be interesting Rebecca's family makes
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doilies that's how they can afford to
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bring people over from Russia cost
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thirty dollars to bring from mushrooms a
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lot of money
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yeah interesting that and and so she's
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very scared
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obviously and she e-mailed that she
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makes the trip and she gets to America
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and there's a there that she has a
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relative there who
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or you know or friend of a friend who
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put her to work
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sewing in the in some sort of like
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wedding dress capacity and she's
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recognized as a as a great for you know
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a really good seamstress so everyone
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treats are kindly in that culture and
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she saves up enough money and and she
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she meets a nice boy on the on the ship
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across the the passage and they don't
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wanna you know I don't want to ruin the
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horsley but eventually she uh you know
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shy i am going to ruin that for instance
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it doesn't matter but she saves up
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enough money to bring her grandmother
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over to America and even though that
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seems like kind of a wasted effort
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because your grandmother is a little
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lady and is just gonna come to America
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and be a burden and and she should have
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been left in Poland it's a wonderful end
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to the book because it shows you how
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lovely the girl is and we got this book
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pretty early on I i was at i was at
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powell's books in portland and i saw
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this book and I said you know I am a
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dude a file and this seems like a fun
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story of fun way to introduce Marlo to
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the eastern european history my
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particular interest and I read this book
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for and I was sobbing by the end Wow and
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that's what the principal called uh
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let's see i have it on young take out
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that you let me know i love to see that
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yeah i'm bad at remembering the titles
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of books and then everyone who's ever
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read the book also sobs and I've read
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the book 40 times and I continue to
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choke up at the end and I don't know
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what to do about it
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I shouldn't still be crying about this
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bill and you know my daughter loves it
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and once it read to her
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and i don't know like I don't know where
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to find other children's books that are
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of this quality because it's it's a book
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that she'll be able to read and enjoy
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when she's 10 but also i read it to her
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when she was 4 and she'll she loves the
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story you know she'll she'll love the
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story over the course of her life and I
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don't know you know like go the fuck to
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sleep by adam mansbach is not a book
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maybe she'll love it when she's 19
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I read it to her a couple of times and
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until she was at the age where she was
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like what is that word that you keep
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skipping over and it's like well this
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book's going in the closet
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yeah my daughter recently read a good
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she's reading after school fuck just
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finished the about a little boy in
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Japanese Japanese internment camp know
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she really enjoyed that I mean these are
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some of the these are some of the but
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good things that we didn't have to read
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these until they're ready for fairy
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tales shit is scary
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right right i have never read her any
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kind of grim got a reader
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Rumpelstiltskin it's so bad he stamped
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his foot and he carries himself into
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hahaha just like me
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happy holidays
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her mother
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