Roderick on the Line

Ep. 229: "Elves with Clipboards"


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00:00:10   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:15   Merlin how's it going oh good many joys [TS]

00:00:22   of the season to you [TS]

00:00:24   Oh Sees enjoys to you to season joys of [TS]

00:00:28   the season to you [TS]

00:00:29   Oh Berlin man Merlin Pam early and then [TS]

00:00:33   who's got a beard that used to be there [TS]

00:00:36   i'm not sure if it is there must be [TS]

00:00:40   Roderick must be Roderick Claus [TS]

00:00:44   ding-ding-ding-ding-ding goal depressing [TS]

00:00:50   time of year it's called and we have in [TS]

00:00:53   our fierce gee-gees psychosomatic [TS]

00:00:57   sniffles every morning just because it's [TS]

00:01:01   something you feel doesn't mean that it [TS]

00:01:04   is real MVP em sniffing all the way you [TS]

00:01:10   sign with your family at Christmastime [TS]

00:01:12   teasing [TS]

00:01:13   yes well yes yes we do [TS]

00:01:18   okay wrap it up yeah my child my [TS]

00:01:21   daughter sing some things but she's not [TS]

00:01:24   a christmas carol singer I don't think [TS]

00:01:27   you get Christmas carols jammed down [TS]

00:01:28   your gullet quite like we did as kids [TS]

00:01:30   not that that's a bad thing but I don't [TS]

00:01:32   think I mean like she knows the tunes [TS]

00:01:33   and she can come along but like she's [TS]

00:01:35   not like a christmas carol person [TS]

00:01:37   yeah my my kid is into him and you know [TS]

00:01:44   I can't explain it at i was thinking [TS]

00:01:46   about this uh just yesterday the same [TS]

00:01:51   thing you're talking about which is that [TS]

00:01:52   Christmas was really really stuffed up [TS]

00:01:57   our noses in the seventies and eighties [TS]

00:02:00   and i think it was like all it's like [TS]

00:02:03   even at school even or especially at [TS]

00:02:05   school you know had a secular school [TS]

00:02:07   even like Christmas was hit for like [TS]

00:02:10   weeks you made things out of paper [TS]

00:02:11   plates and you're saying [TS]

00:02:13   the songs and there was there wasn't a [TS]

00:02:14   winter concert there's a Christmas show [TS]

00:02:16   you say business and you liked it [TS]

00:02:18   yes she did and there was the evenin [TS]

00:02:21   even in secular school right a a picture [TS]

00:02:25   of the one star shining down on the [TS]

00:02:28   manger link the little baby and there's [TS]

00:02:31   a lot of that link but her but you know [TS]

00:02:34   where we're remembering a time when [TS]

00:02:36   there were only three television [TS]

00:02:38   stations and and yeah and there were [TS]

00:02:42   like there was like the newspaper I mean [TS]

00:02:44   media was really was really constrained [TS]

00:02:47   and you couldn't opt-out and so I I but [TS]

00:02:52   I was I was realizing this because i was [TS]

00:02:54   looking at my kid than the day before [TS]

00:02:56   Christmas and it was like well [TS]

00:03:00   tomorrow's Christmas and she her [TS]

00:03:03   reaction was like oh [TS]

00:03:04   tomorrow's Christmas why are you using [TS]

00:03:07   me know just sort of like she was coming [TS]

00:03:10   the lower idioms today John I kept my [TS]

00:03:12   orders talked about since sep tember [TS]

00:03:14   well I yeah I just feel like I what I [TS]

00:03:18   thought about it I realized like well [TS]

00:03:21   you know would I don't have a TV [TS]

00:03:23   yeah now since that's a really good [TS]

00:03:25   point you know the heavy there's hardly [TS]

00:03:26   any Christmas and all well and and you [TS]

00:03:29   know we walked around here trees and [TS]

00:03:31   stuff [TS]

00:03:31   the tree but we haven't really i didn't [TS]

00:03:34   take her to see The Nutcracker like some [TS]

00:03:36   of that stuff I that I wanted to do I [TS]

00:03:38   just kind of forgot like Christmas [TS]

00:03:39   sneaks up on you you know the exact [TS]

00:03:42   punishment and I was like oh shit i [TS]

00:03:45   meant to take her to the Nutcracker i [TS]

00:03:46   meant to be a good dad [TS]

00:03:49   we were at the mall for a completely [TS]

00:03:52   separate reason early in december and [TS]

00:03:57   and we're walking along and she's kind [TS]

00:04:00   of doing her thing where she's like a [TS]

00:04:01   look at this and you turn rocks over [TS]

00:04:03   like look there's a crab and I'm like in [TS]

00:04:05   the mall but she finds them and then I [TS]

00:04:09   look up and I realized holy shit Santa's [TS]

00:04:12   here already and she couldn't see him i [TS]

00:04:15   could see I couldn't see him either but [TS]

00:04:17   we were behind he's usually obscured [TS]

00:04:19   yeah but but but but there were else [TS]

00:04:22   they're elves all sure and they were [TS]

00:04:24   elves little smoke [TS]

00:04:26   fire right yeah right they were elves [TS]

00:04:28   with clipboards in the mall and you know [TS]

00:04:31   that that bodes ill mhm because it if [TS]

00:04:34   there's not a Santa bear they're taking [TS]

00:04:36   names for something that's a different [TS]

00:04:38   time things have really changed so i [TS]

00:04:40   immediately try to outdo careful then [TS]

00:04:41   else making a list that's almost say [TS]

00:04:43   today see right see Santa makes the list [TS]

00:04:45   snow elves are making lists oh my god [TS]

00:04:48   you're right what do you call that [TS]

00:04:49   mhm so so I really well with all the [TS]

00:04:55   runs the Afghan guerlain use the it's [TS]

00:04:59   the day the elf cried so so I i want to [TS]

00:05:04   look around just want to bring them joy [TS]

00:05:06   in their last moments like who [TS]

00:05:11   alright sounds evidence of a media also [TS]

00:05:14   have clipboard and accreditations [TS]

00:05:15   cracking my I grabbed her by the [TS]

00:05:17   shoulders [TS]

00:05:18   she's looking at you looking at the the [TS]

00:05:21   crabs and I grabbed her and I say [TS]

00:05:23   sweetheart i should wait hold it hold it [TS]

00:05:26   let the crab co my crap skitters off i'm [TS]

00:05:29   a sweetheart listen [TS]

00:05:31   Santa's here it's like discovering you [TS]

00:05:34   just realize that John Wayne Gacy is [TS]

00:05:36   there and you're like honey i would [TS]

00:05:37   explain a lot of things very quickly [TS]

00:05:39   honey alright okay Shh and and it's and [TS]

00:05:43   the thing is it's like evening at the [TS]

00:05:45   mall and the mall is kind of empty right [TS]

00:05:49   there's not like a huge line of people [TS]

00:05:50   to see Santa [TS]

00:05:51   it's just it's kind of an empty mall and [TS]

00:05:55   so I grabbed her and I'm like sweetheart [TS]

00:05:57   around the corner here [TS]

00:05:59   Santa's here and she was like oh I said [TS]

00:06:03   yes I know [TS]

00:06:04   are you ready for this because in the [TS]

00:06:06   past we've had no typical mixed feelings [TS]

00:06:10   about st. mall Santas lot from her right [TS]

00:06:14   not exactly a hundred percent about [TS]

00:06:16   sitting on the sitting on the need and [TS]

00:06:18   so I'm like you know let's let's like [TS]

00:06:20   let's get collected here let's let's get [TS]

00:06:23   organized and she thinks about it she's [TS]

00:06:26   like yeah I'm ready I want to see Santa [TS]

00:06:29   why I'm like all right she's like five [TS]

00:06:32   or six [TS]

00:06:33   she's a five-and-a-half so we kind of [TS]

00:06:35   have a little baseball John that is a [TS]

00:06:37   ballsy kid and I'm still down on one [TS]

00:06:40   knee like we're gonna go around this [TS]

00:06:41   corner and scream then there's going to [TS]

00:06:44   be Santa she's like all right now I said [TS]

00:06:47   listen I'm gonna go recognizer you stay [TS]

00:06:49   here [TS]

00:06:49   she's like cool so I she see she stated [TS]

00:06:54   she standing there now that she's not [TS]

00:06:55   looking not looking any any crabs [TS]

00:06:58   anymore were were a team were working as [TS]

00:07:01   a team [TS]

00:07:01   mm and so I go ahead just looking like a [TS]

00:07:04   normal everyday mall stroller [TS]

00:07:06   I'm not a guy I'm just walking i'm [TS]

00:07:08   looking for a radio shack I'm not [TS]

00:07:10   somebody that alpha is going to talk to [TS]

00:07:11   mhm and I walked up and around in a [TS]

00:07:15   circle the Santa a you know compound and [TS]

00:07:20   I a judge a that Santa actually is [TS]

00:07:25   fairly Santa looking he's not you know [TS]

00:07:28   if he doesn't look like he's on parole [TS]

00:07:29   10 it looks like like it's actually his [TS]

00:07:33   beard you know like he it's not this [TS]

00:07:35   isn't an embarrassing Santa I have some [TS]

00:07:37   pictures sitting on Santa's lap for the [TS]

00:07:39   peanut wear the beard is up around his [TS]

00:07:40   eyes basis to really something you know [TS]

00:07:43   and the elves are the elves all look [TS]

00:07:47   like 24 year olds who liked it [TS]

00:07:52   who got out of color you know there is [TS]

00:07:54   their own College break and their [TS]

00:07:55   parents said you have to get a job while [TS]

00:07:57   you're in college breaking another there [TS]

00:07:59   they're not professional elves right [TS]

00:08:01   there they are you get that you get the [TS]

00:08:05   sense that they're all living together [TS]

00:08:06   in a trailer and they're having a lot of [TS]

00:08:08   sex test but they don't give a shit [TS]

00:08:10   about I mean therefore therefore they're [TS]

00:08:12   fun kids you know but they're not there [TS]

00:08:14   their primary thing isn't this attack I [TS]

00:08:17   walk around there's no other kids no [TS]

00:08:19   other parents just Santa sitting there [TS]

00:08:21   and there's absolutely definitely a [TS]

00:08:24   there's a cultural doesn't divide a [TS]

00:08:29   cultural wall between the kids elves who [TS]

00:08:32   are chatting with each other and having [TS]

00:08:33   fun and the lonely old Santa sitting in [TS]

00:08:36   the chair with no note there's no elf [TS]

00:08:38   hanging out [TS]

00:08:39   them was like okay all right I said I'm [TS]

00:08:42   scope and he doesn't seem like a creep [TS]

00:08:44   just you know creep radar so i zoom back [TS]

00:08:47   around I'm like okay you sure about this [TS]

00:08:50   and she's like I'm sure I said have you [TS]

00:08:51   thought about what you want to talk to [TS]

00:08:53   Sam about she's like a pretty good idea [TS]

00:08:55   and I said let's go [TS]

00:08:57   so we whip around the corner and as soon [TS]

00:08:59   as she sees him she stops cold [TS]

00:09:01   sounds like you think you're ready for [TS]

00:09:03   Santa right and I said good here [TS]

00:09:08   she's like we get a 1 curt nod and then [TS]

00:09:14   straight in [TS]

00:09:16   she goes in and Santa start talking to [TS]

00:09:20   her and santa is a German he speak he's [TS]

00:09:22   begin with a pretty heavy German accent [TS]

00:09:24   and I was like all right you know he he [TS]

00:09:28   moved here because his daughter lives [TS]

00:09:30   here something and be you know and now [TS]

00:09:33   he's a nice work in the mall Santa can [TS]

00:09:37   get past brazil and argentina wouldn't [TS]

00:09:41   have a pop-up all gonna do that anymore [TS]

00:09:45   now I know they're going to many more [TS]

00:09:47   times because the baby because massage [TS]

00:09:49   i'll find you dang it [TS]

00:09:51   so the sochi she has a little [TS]

00:09:54   tete-a-tete with him there like chit [TS]

00:09:55   chit chat at low tone chicken a squishy [TS]

00:09:58   and lapped at this point she shoots she [TS]

00:10:03   gets up on what they sit and talk with [TS]

00:10:04   her on her feet for a while and then she [TS]

00:10:06   gets up on the lab tech she takes a a [TS]

00:10:09   couple of halfway decent pictures which [TS]

00:10:11   isn't her normal m.o she likes to ruin [TS]

00:10:15   pictures and and then we're out and [TS]

00:10:21   she's like the whole rest of December [TS]

00:10:24   she never once says let's go downtown to [TS]

00:10:28   the video to the nordstrom Santa where [TS]

00:10:30   the line to see the Northern Santa is [TS]

00:10:33   four hours long [TS]

00:10:34   the crazy thing is that there's a macys [TS]

00:10:37   Santa also there's a north from Santa [TS]

00:10:39   Anna Mae see Santa downtown that wait [TS]

00:10:42   for the nordstrom Santa is seriously [TS]

00:10:43   four hours long the line goes around the [TS]

00:10:45   block [TS]

00:10:45   the customer services that Santa's [TS]

00:10:47   probably outstanding we know what you [TS]

00:10:48   can return in how you bring snow tires [TS]

00:10:51   and sell snow tires in return anything [TS]

00:10:53   that says it has to Santa has to accept [TS]

00:10:56   anything that you return [TS]

00:10:57   yeah and I don't know how I don't know [TS]

00:10:59   how the north from gets the top Santa I [TS]

00:11:02   don't even have guided wait in line to [TS]

00:11:04   see him so maybe he's just maybe got [TS]

00:11:05   Scouts many meters it could be it could [TS]

00:11:09   be a thing like you know the up in [TS]

00:11:11   Anchorage Anchorage has legendarily good [TS]

00:11:16   striptease artists because there's so [TS]

00:11:19   much money some so much cash money in [TS]

00:11:23   Alaska that if you are a legendary [TS]

00:11:26   striptease performer you want to go to [TS]

00:11:30   Alaska because that you do chances of [TS]

00:11:33   somebody just coming off of a fishing [TS]

00:11:35   boat around gold mine and tipping you [TS]

00:11:37   like 40 200-dollars in one night you [TS]

00:11:40   changed a lot better than they are and [TS]

00:11:42   you know like Boise here Lola Anchorage [TS]

00:11:46   is where you're headed [TS]

00:11:47   that's what I'm saying and so maybe a [TS]

00:11:49   Seattle Nordstrom is like that for [TS]

00:11:51   Santa's ok ok you know what I by that [TS]

00:11:54   but crazy it's not like Macy's has a [TS]

00:11:58   bargain basements and macy's is a big [TS]

00:12:00   company they have a good Santa no lie no [TS]

00:12:02   waiting at the macy sent and everybody I [TS]

00:12:05   talked to was like the kind of like [TS]

00:12:07   wrinkled her nose like planet may see [TS]

00:12:08   Santa gonna go to the Nordstrom's and [TS]

00:12:11   you know not when I was a kid you went [TS]

00:12:13   to the frederick Nelson Santa but listen [TS]

00:12:15   i'm getting i'm digressing yeah the [TS]

00:12:17   problem [TS]

00:12:17   the point is that from that early Santa [TS]

00:12:20   experience to the night before Christmas [TS]

00:12:23   she just was like yeah I know it's [TS]

00:12:26   Christmas and knits but she didn't have [TS]

00:12:28   that like completely immersive Christmas [TS]

00:12:33   thing that we did that by the time [TS]

00:12:34   Christmas got there you were so hyped up [TS]

00:12:36   i remember sitting in the living room [TS]

00:12:38   watching the the tree twinkle on [TS]

00:12:40   Christmas Eve feeling like some feeling [TS]

00:12:44   like a wise man was actually gonna like [TS]

00:12:46   come in through the front door riding a [TS]

00:12:48   camel you know myself very very real [TS]

00:12:53   something I felt and [TS]

00:12:56   imagine you Felton island and trying to [TS]

00:12:58   tell me stories about my kid but you [TS]

00:13:00   know something I definitely felt with [TS]

00:13:02   her this was i gotta be very careful [TS]

00:13:03   we've been charted about talking to care [TS]

00:13:06   too much about this topic but this was [TS]

00:13:08   this was the year for her [TS]

00:13:11   mmm this is the year of discovery and [TS]

00:13:13   confirmation my feet like certain the [TS]

00:13:17   thing right and at first it seemed [TS]

00:13:20   incredibly like you know well you know [TS]

00:13:22   whatever no big deal and but then there [TS]

00:13:24   were a couple like nowadays when you're [TS]

00:13:26   grieving sometimes it takes a while for [TS]

00:13:28   it to really hit you know being a lot of [TS]

00:13:29   stages how to know where at one point [TS]

00:13:31   there was like an under like 345 year [TS]

00:13:34   break down low like we haven't seen this [TS]

00:13:37   since she's really on it was rough she [TS]

00:13:39   was obviously really struggling with it [TS]

00:13:40   but I'm trying to say is that like even [TS]

00:13:42   past the point that I knew things I [TS]

00:13:45   still kind of felt something like I [TS]

00:13:48   still meet you know I i remember in [TS]

00:13:51   particular being whiny when I was like [TS]

00:13:53   eight I definitely remember we stayed [TS]

00:13:56   are my uncle's house i was sleeping with [TS]

00:13:58   my cousins and I just remember like I [TS]

00:14:00   could not sleep and I had Inklings at [TS]

00:14:03   that point taken by the time I was like [TS]

00:14:05   10 or 11 you still know their stuff [TS]

00:14:06   coming there's the magic in the tree and [TS]

00:14:08   the traditions and all the stuff anyone [TS]

00:14:11   you know the things they're still this [TS]

00:14:12   part of you that like it's like oh my [TS]

00:14:14   god it's christmas eve this is it [TS]

00:14:16   mhm right yes god is alive and magic is [TS]

00:14:20   afoot dealing real quick do you have [TS]

00:14:23   like a tree set up at your house the [TS]

00:14:27   treatment she doesn't know if you can [TS]

00:14:29   see they're comfortable saying it does [TS]

00:14:30   she get christmas stuff she was like [TS]

00:14:34   Christmas stuff around at any point this [TS]

00:14:36   season or was it just didn't come on [TS]

00:14:38   well as you know as everyone listening [TS]

00:14:42   knows my daughter has between three and [TS]

00:14:44   five houses [TS]

00:14:46   yeah and at my mind Milago she had a [TS]

00:14:51   building in New York she does she has a [TS]

00:14:53   house or apartment like como so my mom [TS]

00:14:58   has a artificial christmas tree that she [TS]

00:15:01   keeps in the Attic this year and you [TS]

00:15:04   generally she decorates it exclusively [TS]

00:15:06   with peach [TS]

00:15:08   his decorations because she's an 82 year [TS]

00:15:12   old woman and a peach decorations and [TS]

00:15:15   then all of the decorations like all the [TS]

00:15:17   historic historical decorations that i [TS]

00:15:20   made as a kid and that are in the family [TS]

00:15:23   so it's a little bit of a hodgepodge [TS]

00:15:24   because the the bottom you know the [TS]

00:15:26   balls and stuff are all peach and then [TS]

00:15:30   there's all this other jumble of [TS]

00:15:32   meaningful decorations so she put that [TS]

00:15:35   up and put those little electric candles [TS]

00:15:38   in the windows a long long time ago [TS]

00:15:41   early December she she did all that so [TS]

00:15:44   the trees been there with some like [TS]

00:15:48   dummy presents under it all month but [TS]

00:15:51   but she she didn't go those there's no [TS]

00:15:54   like pine boughs or anything she you [TS]

00:15:58   know she just did the roof and then it [TS]

00:16:00   was the new normal right [TS]

00:16:02   my daughter's mother actually went and [TS]

00:16:06   got a real Christmas tree because she's [TS]

00:16:09   fairly sentimental and and put it in the [TS]

00:16:13   you know moved her furniture and put it [TS]

00:16:15   in the corner and decorated it and they [TS]

00:16:17   had that whole thing [TS]

00:16:18   okay okay so she had it around yeah at [TS]

00:16:20   my house I found some amazing vintage [TS]

00:16:24   christmas lights like the big outdoor [TS]

00:16:28   kind that I intended to put in the blue [TS]

00:16:31   spruce the giant blue spruce in my front [TS]

00:16:34   yard and I kept intending to do that [TS]

00:16:36   every day right up until Christmas and [TS]

00:16:38   that was another thing like like The [TS]

00:16:41   Nutcracker I was like you gotta be [TS]

00:16:42   kidding me it's here already [TS]

00:16:43   the road is paved with good intentions [TS]

00:16:45   that was my yeah yeah I haven't even put [TS]

00:16:48   up the super good christmas lights and [TS]

00:16:50   now i'm looking at them I'm like well [TS]

00:16:52   what if i put them up now [TS]

00:16:54   yeah we'll call it a new year's tree [TS]

00:16:56   yeah what if I just leave him up all [TS]

00:16:57   year people get but they're not white [TS]

00:17:00   they're not decorative like the old [TS]

00:17:02   school like fat bulbs with the with the [TS]

00:17:03   high colors [TS]

00:17:04   yeah hola love those me too i was so [TS]

00:17:08   glad to get these and so thrilled about [TS]

00:17:10   like oh yeah but i thought i had enough [TS]

00:17:12   month to go you know so there's no [TS]

00:17:16   element of Christmas here other than the [TS]

00:17:20   fact that daddy's house looks like [TS]

00:17:22   you're living inside of a Christmas tree [TS]

00:17:24   ok because they're just sort of [TS]

00:17:27   ornaments all around them is a good you [TS]

00:17:31   know so she's a gamer she got up there [TS]

00:17:33   she talked for a while she got on the [TS]

00:17:35   lap we were you able to eavesdrop on the [TS]

00:17:37   Santa discussion did you think you want [TS]

00:17:39   to stay away let her have her Santa [TS]

00:17:40   privacy so she got into it right away [TS]

00:17:43   and I didn't [TS]

00:17:44   there wasn't a way for me it would be [TS]

00:17:46   like rude to come over and interrupt [TS]

00:17:48   this deep you know transaction so [TS]

00:17:51   afterwards I like you know we had a [TS]

00:17:54   debriefing so we're walking down the [TS]

00:17:56   mall [TS]

00:17:56   she's she seems pretty happy about it I [TS]

00:17:59   got some good photographs of her and so [TS]

00:18:03   you know i'm i'm judging it a success [TS]

00:18:06   that's the second time i've used the [TS]

00:18:07   word judging you on this podcast that's [TS]

00:18:10   fine fine holiday season [TS]

00:18:13   yeah and and so I say so we can talk [TS]

00:18:16   about she said now you know told him [TS]

00:18:21   what I wanted for Christmas I was like [TS]

00:18:24   well you know what were some of those [TS]

00:18:28   things just kind of you know trying to [TS]

00:18:31   get in next week and sneak a little [TS]

00:18:32   sneaky sneaker Rooney and she said you [TS]

00:18:37   know pretty unselfconsciously well I one [TS]

00:18:40   else in on a doll and the whole giant [TS]

00:18:45   souffle just point the because i have [TS]

00:18:50   done so much laborious work to keep Elsa [TS]

00:18:57   and honor out to keep them out [TS]

00:19:00   yeah Elsa and honor are like a like [TS]

00:19:04   click the like a mustard gas [TS]

00:19:08   it's like the movie interstellar which [TS]

00:19:10   finally watched I have a lot of things [TS]

00:19:12   to say about the that's John but it does [TS]

00:19:14   not be asked for the dust the dust has [TS]

00:19:16   arrived and even when you're very [TS]

00:19:18   careful you know sometimes of course [TS]

00:19:19   Murphy's gonna forget to close your [TS]

00:19:21   window [TS]

00:19:21   you're gonna get dust in the house [TS]

00:19:23   because does is what we have now and I [TS]

00:19:25   think that's frozen four [TS]

00:19:25   doesn't mean frozen is a juggernaut it [TS]

00:19:27   will let me come at like 16 years ago [TS]

00:19:29   still there's dust everywhere and it's [TS]

00:19:31   all set on a dust i'm so glad that [TS]

00:19:33   you've seen interstellar around looking [TS]

00:19:36   forward my god [TS]

00:19:39   to me it was my fourth try welcome we [TS]

00:19:41   can come back to that i was going to say [TS]

00:19:43   that Syracuse because he kinda likes it [TS]

00:19:45   but i might give it to you [TS]

00:19:46   oh my god yeah well I'm telling you [TS]

00:19:48   every quivering with anger he yeah i [TS]

00:19:51   mean i-i think that we I think that we [TS]

00:19:54   talked about it you did you I i saw on [TS]

00:19:57   way more of it than i remember having [TS]

00:19:59   seen I think I blocked it out and online [TS]

00:20:01   i'm not trying to take you away from all [TS]

00:20:02   sin on because i want you i know your [TS]

00:20:04   struggle i went there so let's get back [TS]

00:20:05   to this I i have been through similar [TS]

00:20:07   struggles I've seen these similar [TS]

00:20:08   struggles you see this with lots of [TS]

00:20:09   liberals and their struggles of various [TS]

00:20:11   kinds let's say that your liberal but [TS]

00:20:13   using this alive your lips and you saved [TS]

00:20:15   us a lot of the whole like it could be [TS]

00:20:16   if something is good hard as like I is [TS]

00:20:19   important that my kids looks like it [TS]

00:20:21   again just to make sure John siracusa he [TS]

00:20:23   only showed I think especially his son [TS]

00:20:25   movies that had a female protagonist for [TS]

00:20:28   most of his childhood which was super [TS]

00:20:30   interesting idea but look you're gonna [TS]

00:20:32   get plenty of opportunities to see all [TS]

00:20:34   minute guys getting to be always be the [TS]

00:20:36   heroes but you know miyazaki movies [TS]

00:20:38   they're great movies plus it's like [TS]

00:20:40   usually about a girl it's not about her [TS]

00:20:42   trying to find a boyfriend and and [TS]

00:20:44   there's things like that right other [TS]

00:20:45   things like I don't go out of my way to [TS]

00:20:47   expose her to sports boo bad on me she [TS]

00:20:50   should probably be into the Giants she [TS]

00:20:51   should like Hunter Pence whatever that [TS]

00:20:53   is I don't know what is we have a [TS]

00:20:55   hundred past all the dances with a solar [TS]

00:20:57   lightness it's horrifying just sits [TS]

00:20:58   there and twitches all day [TS]

00:20:59   Hunter Pence is a giveaway at the [TS]

00:21:01   ballpark now here's the thing but the [TS]

00:21:03   thing is now you're fighting the the [TS]

00:21:05   interstellar dust inertia nobody asked [TS]

00:21:08   for the dust but it's it's I mean like [TS]

00:21:10   it's everywhere [TS]

00:21:12   yeah yeah well and and there's a lot i [TS]

00:21:15   get a lot of pushback from moms let's be [TS]

00:21:19   honest I spend a lot of time with mom [TS]

00:21:21   as you know because not because it was [TS]

00:21:23   your life is a woman for one thing well [TS]

00:21:25   and and you know and it's not just [TS]

00:21:28   because they're they've long been a [TS]

00:21:30   general interest of mine but also [TS]

00:21:31   because that's my social circle a lot of [TS]

00:21:34   the time one [TS]

00:21:35   and also just like you know if I'm i'm [TS]

00:21:37   not telling myself to be John Lennon but [TS]

00:21:40   i have an aspect of care things that i [TS]

00:21:43   do i'm at the school of X at least five [TS]

00:21:45   times a week [TS]

00:21:46   absolutely right i know all the moms I [TS]

00:21:49   Tom we we talk a lot moms moms or image [TS]

00:21:52   in my life I'm with them right there [TS]

00:21:53   with you [TS]

00:21:53   yeah i got a lot of money because else [TS]

00:21:55   in on our good role models think it's a [TS]

00:21:57   positive movie I know there's some [TS]

00:21:59   controversy amongst people about that [TS]

00:22:01   but is it that like all you can't be [TS]

00:22:03   against them they're powerful girl [TS]

00:22:04   models you know it you can't be against [TS]

00:22:08   them is kind of where it stops and [TS]

00:22:10   there's a lot of I mean ever since I had [TS]

00:22:12   a kid there's a lot of that kind of sort [TS]

00:22:15   of we've talked about this before the [TS]

00:22:18   the the conventional understanding that [TS]

00:22:22   certain things are inevitable and it and [TS]

00:22:26   in partly in there inevitability are [TS]

00:22:30   also good because since their inevitable [TS]

00:22:33   it maybe as a mental choice to do to be [TS]

00:22:37   upset about them since their inevitable [TS]

00:22:39   with you may as well think they're good [TS]

00:22:42   and I feel like else in on ya r 2 a 2 [TS]

00:22:47   starring roles of gals in a Disney movie [TS]

00:22:51   and they have good songs apparently you [TS]

00:22:56   know it's like this feeling this feeling [TS]

00:22:58   of like these are this is there Lady and [TS]

00:23:00   the Tramp person well into just for [TS]

00:23:02   folks who haven't heard every single [TS]

00:23:03   episode there's an interesting angle to [TS]

00:23:05   this that was like it sounds like was [TS]

00:23:07   one of your first challenges with this [TS]

00:23:09   which is like if you don't have a kid [TS]

00:23:11   and you don't know there's a song from [TS]

00:23:12   frozen cold let go go go go [TS]

00:23:15   thats everywhere if i remember correctly [TS]

00:23:17   your daughter has been seeing that for [TS]

00:23:19   something like three years now and at a [TS]

00:23:21   certain point for it and perhaps years [TS]

00:23:23   she had never heard the actual recording [TS]

00:23:26   of the song it just kind to her like an [TS]

00:23:27   interstellar dust to the culture that's [TS]

00:23:29   that's correct and a lot of the Delta on [TS]

00:23:31   the stuff came to her just just [TS]

00:23:34   incidentally and she had never seen the [TS]

00:23:36   movie until this year and she'd been she [TS]

00:23:41   been immersed in these characters [TS]

00:23:45   without really knowing anything about [TS]

00:23:47   them because every other little [TS]

00:23:48   I'll have them in their times had a [TS]

00:23:50   whole article about Star Wars the [TS]

00:23:51   digital generation of kids that may be [TS]

00:23:53   kind of the star wars some ancillary me [TS]

00:23:55   TV shows but there's this whole [TS]

00:23:57   generation of kids that are super into [TS]

00:23:58   Star Wars have never seen any of the [TS]

00:24:00   movies i mean my kids like that she [TS]

00:24:02   walks around she's like Princess Leia [TS]

00:24:04   bb-8 and she's got things to say about [TS]

00:24:07   that [TS]

00:24:07   Wow but she's never seen anything about [TS]

00:24:10   a star ever seen Star War not a thing [TS]

00:24:13   not a one single of those Wars so anyway [TS]

00:24:17   so I had been and so we finally I I the [TS]

00:24:20   the initial cave was earlier this year [TS]

00:24:23   when I was like all right let's watch [TS]

00:24:24   the movie like I'm I it's just a movie [TS]

00:24:28   it's not going to pollute her mind with [TS]

00:24:30   Belson on anymore and I the things I [TS]

00:24:32   haven't even seen it but my primary [TS]

00:24:34   objection to it is that clearly else and [TS]

00:24:37   on our the Grays right there there with [TS]

00:24:40   this is an episode of our podcast for [TS]

00:24:42   those of you who haven't listened to [TS]

00:24:43   every episode yes you should be ashamed [TS]

00:24:46   first of all but second of all we have [TS]

00:24:48   this open gonna start start start the [TS]

00:24:50   beginning and listen listen normal speed [TS]

00:24:52   normal speed or slower normal speed [TS]

00:24:53   that's right up so there's certainly [TS]

00:24:54   6230 episodes you better slow down [TS]

00:24:57   sunday you are not ready for house [TS]

00:24:58   Trotter you need to go real slow and [TS]

00:25:01   understand the appeal of the greys to [TS]

00:25:03   understand that the greys are in places [TS]

00:25:05   we had not anticipated doing things we [TS]

00:25:07   didn't expect it's going to take a [TS]

00:25:09   little bit of homework on your part [TS]

00:25:10   shame on you [TS]

00:25:11   and one of the things one of the things [TS]

00:25:13   they do is they gradually gradually [TS]

00:25:15   inoculate us by making our children's [TS]

00:25:18   dolls look more and more like Grey's [TS]

00:25:21   everyday they have bigger and bigger [TS]

00:25:23   eyes weirder shrunken you know sort of [TS]

00:25:25   exactly knows michael jackson yeah and [TS]

00:25:29   like spindly limbs with giant heads up [TS]

00:25:33   that hill and if you take if you take an [TS]

00:25:35   Elsa hour on a doll [TS]

00:25:38   they are almost exactly the dimensions [TS]

00:25:41   of a Barbie doll but if you thought [TS]

00:25:42   Barbie dolls had weird physical [TS]

00:25:45   dimensions put on on a doll next to [TS]

00:25:48   watch i play Barbie hat on to an honor [TS]

00:25:50   good luck kid [TS]

00:25:51   do it on the honor the honor doll her [TS]

00:25:53   head there is English animal heads fifty [TS]

00:25:56   percent larger than a Barbie head [TS]

00:25:57   business and her body is like even sort [TS]

00:26:00   of more weirdly shaped than a been a [TS]

00:26:03   Barbie she wasn't wearing those drapes [TS]

00:26:05   I mean I think she pretty much look like [TS]

00:26:06   I like a coat rack you look like a coat [TS]

00:26:08   rack with a giant oversized head that it [TS]

00:26:10   probably does not just just kind of fall [TS]

00:26:12   over on her body [TS]

00:26:13   yeah but like really like really she's [TS]

00:26:15   from a different gravity narrow waist [TS]

00:26:19   like it impossible narrow waist in any [TS]

00:26:22   case I objected to the movie just on [TS]

00:26:25   general principle because I initially [TS]

00:26:27   the initial exposure i had to this kind [TS]

00:26:29   of children's toy was a long time ago [TS]

00:26:33   probably 15 years ago when the [TS]

00:26:35   children's toy brats first arrived on [TS]

00:26:38   the scene which was the new Barbie or [TS]

00:26:41   was touted as the new Barbie and they [TS]

00:26:43   were like completely they don't they [TS]

00:26:46   almost had a like a graffiti art quality [TS]

00:26:50   but they were little they were basically [TS]

00:26:53   like little girls meant to appeal to [TS]

00:26:54   little girls and the dolls were just [TS]

00:26:56   plastered with makeup they were wearing [TS]

00:26:59   miniskirts and they were it was just [TS]

00:27:01   like yeah these are these are real and [TS]

00:27:03   they're and giant heads and tiny bodies [TS]

00:27:06   it was like these are repulsive sex [TS]

00:27:09   fetish items like like you remember the [TS]

00:27:11   soluble I know you did on TV but almost [TS]

00:27:13   like in the steve madden TV commercials [TS]

00:27:16   yeah well giants that girl exactly yeah [TS]

00:27:19   and then start looking at them right now [TS]

00:27:21   they are in probably narrow looking and [TS]

00:27:24   and it looks like their eyes got more [TS]

00:27:26   and more almond d yeah and their heads [TS]

00:27:28   got bigger and bigger [TS]

00:27:29   yeah yeah so I so I saw this trend a [TS]

00:27:32   long time ago and I was like listen [TS]

00:27:34   we're talking where we're culturally [TS]

00:27:36   arguing about barbie's a bust for [TS]

00:27:39   Barbies dimensions as being like [TS]

00:27:42   unrealistic and in the meantime the the [TS]

00:27:46   door is cracked open and these freaking [TS]

00:27:49   sex gnomes are pouring in like mom why [TS]

00:27:54   and there's nothing we you know we're [TS]

00:27:56   not even thinking about them were still [TS]

00:27:58   arguing about barbi and barbi is the [TS]

00:28:00   least of our worries so so I I objected [TS]

00:28:04   to first anyway we all sat down we watch [TS]

00:28:05   frozen and at the end of the movie and I [TS]

00:28:09   was sitting there doing the thing that I [TS]

00:28:10   do which is like well that's this is [TS]

00:28:13   irrelevant to the plot and this next [TS]

00:28:15   scene is like in compatible with the [TS]

00:28:17   plot mrs. can't really communicate you [TS]

00:28:20   know like I mean I know that first of [TS]

00:28:22   all he's an elk but or arrange your [TS]

00:28:24   buddy yeah but i also i buy his whole [TS]

00:28:26   Act I even by olaf the animated snow [TS]

00:28:29   person but like the whole business of [TS]

00:28:33   the whole business of Elsa being [TS]

00:28:36   traumatized by her ability to buy [TS]

00:28:39   spoiler alert to create ice with her [TS]

00:28:43   hands you know she's a little bit like [TS]

00:28:45   the x-men character that causes the [TS]

00:28:47   blood disorder [TS]

00:28:49   okay you know what I mean like a [TS]

00:28:50   leukemia man you don't know the girl the [TS]

00:28:53   girl that touches people in it [TS]

00:28:54   any minute give them candy and that's [TS]

00:28:58   broke you'll grow touches them and they [TS]

00:29:00   get veins to get fans even if you can't [TS]

00:29:02   touch her boyfriend she's gotta work [TS]

00:29:03   gloves [TS]

00:29:04   she can't touch her boyfriend because [TS]

00:29:06   it's varicose veins are ya [TS]

00:29:08   so anyway I'm sitting there you know I'm [TS]

00:29:10   not grumbling out loud just did my head [TS]

00:29:12   and I'm not doing it as a way to like [TS]

00:29:14   cooked form an argument for her i'm just [TS]

00:29:16   doing it because I can't help myself I'm [TS]

00:29:18   like this is garbage though that's not [TS]

00:29:19   fair and then at the very end like the [TS]

00:29:21   whole message of the sister saves the [TS]

00:29:24   other sister I'm just not buying it [TS]

00:29:26   that's the actual plot right i mean it's [TS]

00:29:29   all all still results always still a [TS]

00:29:32   prince in this stupid a story anyway we [TS]

00:29:36   get to the end and i'm very curious and [TS]

00:29:38   I say darlin [TS]

00:29:39   we finally now watch frozen what did you [TS]

00:29:41   think [TS]

00:29:42   and she went man c- whoa she doesn't [TS]

00:29:48   even get grades I don't know where she [TS]

00:29:50   got be a b c d even I don't forget that [TS]

00:29:53   as a reference point using now is not [TS]

00:29:56   that is not i think i think a lot of [TS]

00:29:58   your daughter but that is not what I [TS]

00:30:00   expected at all [TS]

00:30:01   it wasn't what I expected either so I [TS]

00:30:03   reached in [TS]

00:30:05   like my inner self just rejoiced I was [TS]

00:30:07   like yes she sees through the shite and [TS]

00:30:11   then about a week and so for about a [TS]

00:30:13   week we never heard a word about Elsa [TS]

00:30:15   and I was like thank God we're done we [TS]

00:30:18   made it through the other side we never [TS]

00:30:19   pass through it [TS]

00:30:20   yep and then she started talking about [TS]

00:30:22   else annoying him and I i was like wow [TS]

00:30:27   sweetie why are we talking about some [TS]

00:30:29   this is like c- these remember c- this [TS]

00:30:32   is like you don't even like this movie [TS]

00:30:33   and she said yeah but i mean you know i [TS]

00:30:36   like else Anana I like the and I [TS]

00:30:40   realized that she had separated Elsa and [TS]

00:30:43   on from the actual film in which they [TS]

00:30:46   star is this is totally know and I mean [TS]

00:30:48   like not to make this gross but use that [TS]

00:30:49   phrase like fetish porn [TS]

00:30:51   thanks very much like that think about [TS]

00:30:52   you watching something that could be [TS]

00:30:53   really really dumb better head airplane [TS]

00:30:55   sent it again I guess it sucked but I [TS]

00:30:57   mean had lots of airplanes right isn't [TS]

00:30:59   Bryant kind of similar to that where [TS]

00:31:01   you're like yeah you can you can any you [TS]

00:31:03   know she's had time to develop her own [TS]

00:31:04   like maybe not narratives about this but [TS]

00:31:06   she had her own like reckons about them [TS]

00:31:08   in the party I went absolutely has [TS]

00:31:11   narratives about them they pre-existed [TS]

00:31:14   in her mind and imagination so much that [TS]

00:31:18   the movie sort of was irrelevant here [TS]

00:31:19   absolutely right it was just like now [TS]

00:31:21   they're animated for a while and she's [TS]

00:31:23   like mats and basically what she was [TS]

00:31:25   saying was that movie is not as good as [TS]

00:31:27   the stories that I come up with about [TS]

00:31:28   else on Donna like the nelson on a were [TS]

00:31:32   characters in her life people she knew [TS]

00:31:35   and so she comes off of this santa thing [TS]

00:31:38   and she's like I just asked him for [TS]

00:31:39   Nelson on at all and I and my shoulders [TS]

00:31:42   slumped because what she was basically [TS]

00:31:44   saying was you're never gonna I'm never [TS]

00:31:47   going to give this up until I get a [TS]

00:31:49   nelson on at all and I will play with [TS]

00:31:52   them happily father so I'm asking Santa [TS]

00:31:58   for now and you are cut out of this deal [TS]

00:32:03   dear IC IC and so I was like oh and then [TS]

00:32:08   for the rest of Christmas I kept saying [TS]

00:32:10   let's go rear list again [TS]

00:32:13   would you would you like Colombo like [TS]

00:32:16   sometimes I get real confusing we just [TS]

00:32:17   let this go over this one more let's [TS]

00:32:18   just go over it again everyone anything [TS]

00:32:20   except one of these fucking dolls [TS]

00:32:22   yeah and she said over and over like [TS]

00:32:24   well I told CNN that one else in on it [TS]

00:32:26   also i feel like that ship has sailed [TS]

00:32:28   and I'm like I got so then I'm shopping [TS]

00:32:31   and I'm like you know what I can't do I [TS]

00:32:32   cannot fight this I'm gonna buy a nelson [TS]

00:32:35   oh darling I when I bought a nice else [TS]

00:32:37   in on at all not one of the crappy ones [TS]

00:32:39   which there are 1,000,000,000 but like [TS]

00:32:42   you really look at him i almost bought a [TS]

00:32:44   captain america ornament and I looked at [TS]

00:32:47   the painting on it was like this is yeah [TS]

00:32:49   this is this is bad you got to be [TS]

00:32:51   careful because if you pick up [TS]

00:32:52   everything that matches your exciting [TS]

00:32:54   brand feeling you just gonna have lots [TS]

00:32:56   of crap [TS]

00:32:57   yeah you better one going now you feel [TS]

00:32:59   like you get this one good one and now [TS]

00:33:00   that's good that's gonna clear the pipes [TS]

00:33:02   I've been to little girls homes on other [TS]

00:33:06   errands generally interacting with moms [TS]

00:33:10   where you walk in and you look at the [TS]

00:33:12   room and there are mm 700 elson honors [TS]

00:33:16   in various forms [TS]

00:33:18   yeah there are there the dolls of every [TS]

00:33:20   kind stuffy dolls barbie sties but tall [TS]

00:33:24   would like Glenn 13 p Tommy I don't know [TS]

00:33:26   where you find these so I said all right [TS]

00:33:29   if you're going to have a nelson on it's [TS]

00:33:30   going to be the only frozen oriented [TS]

00:33:33   stuff that we have but if they're going [TS]

00:33:35   to be nice little dolls and so I and I [TS]

00:33:38   wrote from Santa on the package [TS]

00:33:42   well we're at the were back around the [TS]

00:33:45   tree [TS]

00:33:46   she's opening the presence and she has [TS]

00:33:49   you know some some nice present some [TS]

00:33:51   other dolls the hodgman's actually sent [TS]

00:33:54   her an American Girl doll says that said [TS]

00:33:57   what when did you get to kill know we [TS]

00:34:00   got like the the hippie one she [TS]

00:34:02   basically looks like we can really get [TS]

00:34:04   Rebecca I don't know who those are ya [TS]

00:34:06   yeah let's find out [TS]

00:34:08   this one looks like Hilary Clinton in [TS]

00:34:10   nineteen cents just you know that's a [TS]

00:34:11   pretty nice present [TS]

00:34:12   it's super nice present well it was an [TS]

00:34:15   American Girl doll that they had [TS]

00:34:17   that you know that their daughter had [TS]

00:34:19   loved and cherished but I remember their [TS]

00:34:21   daughter had something on the order of 9 [TS]

00:34:23   to 14 american girl dolls so this links [TS]

00:34:26   here she had over the time had [TS]

00:34:29   disseminated these american girl dolls [TS]

00:34:32   to younger girls she's obtained now and [TS]

00:34:35   this was the last she had she had her [TS]

00:34:38   main one that she would never get rid of [TS]

00:34:39   it shall take to adulthood but this was [TS]

00:34:42   the last of the secondary american girl [TS]

00:34:45   dolls that that that lived at their in [TS]

00:34:48   their house in Massachusetts and they [TS]

00:34:50   were like we're going to get that doll [TS]

00:34:52   we're gonna bring it down from [TS]

00:34:53   Massachusetts and we're going to send it [TS]

00:34:55   to to your daughter and she arrived and [TS]

00:34:57   I was like this tall is truly beautiful [TS]

00:34:59   I mean she's wearing some sort of [TS]

00:35:01   seventies pantsuit like she's wonderful [TS]

00:35:04   and so so you know my kids opening these [TS]

00:35:08   presents she's getting a wonderful thing [TS]

00:35:10   she's she's expressing true gratitude [TS]

00:35:13   and pleasure [TS]

00:35:13   she's actually opens a package and takes [TS]

00:35:16   15 minutes to play with that toy [TS]

00:35:19   oh that's a really really good sign [TS]

00:35:21   right before opening the next president [TS]

00:35:23   she's not that that's when I am proudest [TS]

00:35:26   when like there's some you get 90 [TS]

00:35:28   minutes of playing before going to the [TS]

00:35:29   next thing that's a good feeling isn't [TS]

00:35:31   that good there and then she gets to [TS]

00:35:33   this else and on and she opens it up and [TS]

00:35:35   she's so thrilled because this is the [TS]

00:35:40   culmination of three and a half years of [TS]

00:35:42   her five-and-a-half years of just like [TS]

00:35:45   hounding me for these dolls and i had [TS]

00:35:49   gone to everyone else in the family and [TS]

00:35:51   I'd say ixnay on the are the salon is [TS]

00:35:56   lime the Sun on a girl's yeah and so [TS]

00:36:01   everybody was on board anyway frozen [TS]

00:36:03   fray doesn't fray here they arrived and [TS]

00:36:07   she she beams at them for a second just [TS]

00:36:11   beams at them and then she slowly turns [TS]

00:36:15   her head to look at me and gives me the [TS]

00:36:18   ultimate [TS]

00:36:20   fuck you oh you just got pwned by the [TS]

00:36:24   man with the beard I got pwned by Santa [TS]

00:36:27   home by santa and she was like but [TS]

00:36:29   mainly because i like them apples [TS]

00:36:32   how you like them apples i asked Santa [TS]

00:36:33   for this and santa brought it and she [TS]

00:36:36   ran a santa hat on and she yeah and you [TS]

00:36:39   are outside the game dad and I was just [TS]

00:36:42   on the couch just like getting a hit [TS]

00:36:44   with this like plasma pulse [TS]

00:36:48   Oh boom like up your nose [TS]

00:36:53   dad how you like me now [TS]

00:36:56   it was truly how you like me now look [TS]

00:36:58   and I was like wow [TS]

00:37:00   Santa really did a number on daddy did [TS]

00:37:03   me and she was like hmm and so I've been [TS]

00:37:07   continuing to play this like well I [TS]

00:37:10   guess Santa you know against daddy's [TS]

00:37:14   wishes brought this else in on into my [TS]

00:37:16   home and she and she's just so gratified [TS]

00:37:20   just trots around and and she took a [TS]

00:37:24   necklace that she was right around her [TS]

00:37:27   neck and built it into an honor sling [TS]

00:37:30   where she walks around with the honor [TS]

00:37:33   around her neck like it's like it's a [TS]

00:37:36   mr. t chain [TS]

00:37:37   yeah like she just hangs around her neck [TS]

00:37:41   now that she wears the doll she wears it [TS]

00:37:44   kind of like kind of like Twiggy and [TS]

00:37:47   Buck Rogers a with guys like our dr. [TS]

00:37:50   Theophilus yeah led me to be immediately [TS]

00:37:52   and and so what can I do and anyway all [TS]

00:37:57   by way of saying she believes in Santa [TS]

00:37:58   and she primarily I think believes in [TS]

00:38:02   Santa as a daddy for our death order [TS]

00:38:04   haha that but it's really it's at least [TS]

00:38:11   one and a half gift maybe two or three [TS]

00:38:13   gifts in one cuz she got the things she [TS]

00:38:14   wanted [TS]

00:38:15   yeah despite it all and boy and you know [TS]

00:38:17   let daddy let this serve as a lesson to [TS]

00:38:19   you maybe you're not the smart guy you [TS]

00:38:21   thought you were now she's not an addict [TS]

00:38:24   yeah she stuck it to the man hardcore [TS]

00:38:26   and so now I you know [TS]

00:38:31   and and the fact that they are more or [TS]

00:38:34   less the dimensions of Barbies and you [TS]

00:38:36   can get Barbie stuff and apply it to [TS]

00:38:38   them because she also doesn't have any [TS]

00:38:40   Barbies which i also get in trouble for [TS]

00:38:43   me the Barbies got dive-bombed into our [TS]

00:38:46   life by relatives oh so the thing is I [TS]

00:38:51   mean she's had exposure Barbies but I we [TS]

00:38:54   did not have a super duper ooper [TS]

00:38:56   shmooper strong POV on this but sure [TS]

00:38:59   there was it was mutual assent of like [TS]

00:39:01   all the kind of kid shit that's going to [TS]

00:39:03   be in our life Barbie was not gonna be [TS]

00:39:04   near the top of the list sure that your [TS]

00:39:06   palm right but i have to tell you like [TS]

00:39:09   certain beloved family members thought [TS]

00:39:12   otherwise and things when you die [TS]

00:39:14   bonding with notches Barbie but some [TS]

00:39:16   Barbie outfits plus like a like a house [TS]

00:39:19   there delivering like a whole franchise [TS]

00:39:21   and now your RV person understands shoes [TS]

00:39:24   everywhere and so I've avoided that also [TS]

00:39:26   for you man except two things 1i have [TS]

00:39:33   you know i'm i'm just generating pure [TS]

00:39:35   consternation from 99% of the other like [TS]

00:39:40   liberal mom's liberal progressive [TS]

00:39:43   educated moms like me who are just like [TS]

00:39:47   he can't fight city hall daling and also [TS]

00:39:51   watching her interact with Elsa Anna I [TS]

00:39:53   realize she's ready to progress from [TS]

00:39:56   baby dolls where the primary narrative [TS]

00:39:59   is ok baby like here's your bottle to [TS]

00:40:03   these are dolls where she can interact [TS]

00:40:06   complicated narratives with them they [TS]

00:40:10   are they are sentient dolls you know [TS]

00:40:14   they represent characters that now she [TS]

00:40:16   can inhabit with adventure rather than [TS]

00:40:19   just I'm caring for you now she can have [TS]

00:40:23   these dolls and so they become closer to [TS]

00:40:25   what we traditionally for boys called [TS]

00:40:27   action figures like these yeah these are [TS]

00:40:28   these are these are at these are [TS]

00:40:31   characters with with things to do and I [TS]

00:40:35   can enact that [TS]

00:40:36   yeah they have agency and she can now [TS]

00:40:39   talk to them and they can reply [TS]

00:40:41   whereas you know the babies because i [TS]

00:40:46   was also getting second baby dolls let's [TS]

00:40:47   be honest because it's just that's [TS]

00:40:49   what's just as cycle of baby's hungry [TS]

00:40:52   babies tired but you know baby kiss baby [TS]

00:40:55   something like kiss [TS]

00:40:57   she's like kiss baby again I'm like kiss [TS]

00:41:00   she's like puts the baby right in my [TS]

00:41:02   face baby wants to play and I'm like I [TS]

00:41:05   daddy's daddy is reading a book [TS]

00:41:07   she's like you know like so now I feel [TS]

00:41:10   like what the babies are going to go [TS]

00:41:13   the babies are going to go into a box [TS]

00:41:14   eventually I'm going back out at some [TS]

00:41:15   point [TS]

00:41:16   ya got the nod at least in my experience [TS]

00:41:19   like my daughter has so much stuff and [TS]

00:41:21   she doesn't see it for a while and then [TS]

00:41:22   she when she sees it's like junior [TS]

00:41:24   christmas because she's like she's [TS]

00:41:25   really recently discovered her thomas [TS]

00:41:27   train sets which had been in a box and [TS]

00:41:30   it was totally fun to put those together [TS]

00:41:31   again [TS]

00:41:32   I mean that's silly because like she's [TS]

00:41:33   nine but I'm 50 and I loved it it's [TS]

00:41:36   going to make a triangle around a track [TS]

00:41:37   it is I I can i still have a giant h/o [TS]

00:41:42   train set in boxes upstairs that I just [TS]

00:41:45   keep thinking I'm going to set up in the [TS]

00:41:48   barn but the problem with HR trains is [TS]

00:41:52   that the trains themselves are [TS]

00:41:55   twenty-five percent of what is really a [TS]

00:41:58   old man playset of paper mache hm just [TS]

00:42:03   letting you tell me this before but [TS]

00:42:04   remind me choose the pretty big one's [TS]

00:42:06   right [TS]

00:42:06   no those are Lionel's are like you know [TS]

00:42:09   like out of train scales again spent too [TS]

00:42:12   long [TS]

00:42:12   aight show like if you had let's say you [TS]

00:42:16   know those when you go to the fair or [TS]

00:42:19   you go you're walking downtown and and [TS]

00:42:21   you go to a hotdog stand there like [TS]

00:42:23   hotdogs and then like a big hot dog and [TS]

00:42:27   then like the the sausage Size hot dog [TS]

00:42:30   was just like a big fat thing and they [TS]

00:42:34   have somehow they have extra size buns [TS]

00:42:36   that the whole thing is like almost [TS]

00:42:39   grotesquely oversized one of those in [TS]

00:42:43   the bun is about the size of a pho train [TS]

00:42:48   i see i walked on an image that compares [TS]

00:42:51   a Z NHO and G yeah [TS]

00:42:54   hahha looks like a good size they chose [TS]

00:42:56   the perfect size it's the i would say [TS]

00:42:58   it's the most popular train son I always [TS]

00:43:01   I always wondered what it would have [TS]

00:43:03   been like if i had started with an M [TS]

00:43:05   scale because II scale is too small for [TS]

00:43:10   anything makes a lot of sense because [TS]

00:43:12   Dennis sense that you can do more [TS]

00:43:14   i'm assuming the availability of stuff [TS]

00:43:17   for it you can accomplish more in a [TS]

00:43:19   smaller amount of space without becoming [TS]

00:43:20   that guy that has a whole transcendence [TS]

00:43:22   basement exactly right if you you could [TS]

00:43:24   put an entire end scale on your dining [TS]

00:43:28   room table and make a fairly complete [TS]

00:43:31   world like a Z scale if you took up your [TS]

00:43:35   dining room table with a Z scale you [TS]

00:43:37   could basically do all of Switzerland to [TS]

00:43:39   I'm really cute that you can see the [TS]

00:43:41   size of the thomas trains what what is e [TS]

00:43:44   yeah they're that small [TS]

00:43:46   yeah i mean they fit mostly like if you [TS]

00:43:48   put James or person in the palm of your [TS]

00:43:50   hand he mostly disappear I'd say they're [TS]

00:43:53   eating yeah they're good you get the [TS]

00:43:55   little engines in a minute that one [TS]

00:43:56   thing it's kind of nice is that the [TS]

00:43:59   track on which those run has become [TS]

00:44:01   somewhat standardized so basically [TS]

00:44:04   there's all kinds of different train [TS]

00:44:06   things that fit that size of track [TS]

00:44:08   doesn't have to be like Thomas the Train [TS]

00:44:10   branded and you can run your friend [TS]

00:44:11   kinds of brands of you know license [TS]

00:44:14   train things on the same trashy I see [TS]

00:44:17   oh I didn't realize that yeah that's an [TS]

00:44:20   advertisement thomas train ones are [TS]

00:44:22   mostly for little kids you get the [TS]

00:44:23   little one was don't have an engine we [TS]

00:44:24   have a few that have have an engine and [TS]

00:44:26   those are obviously to me a lot more fun [TS]

00:44:28   a battery-powered way to propel itself [TS]

00:44:32   around the track rather than going to [TS]

00:44:33   chew with your hand so these are not [TS]

00:44:35   controlled from a central controller but [TS]

00:44:37   they each have a battery within them [TS]

00:44:39   yeah you put one double a into you get [TS]

00:44:41   self Thomas you get yourself Spencer you [TS]

00:44:43   get a lady train was always our big [TS]

00:44:45   winner can get James and Percy and and [TS]

00:44:48   yet and then you run around and they [TS]

00:44:51   have all kinds of things they go down [TS]

00:44:52   the mine shaft and go up the hill [TS]

00:44:54   yeah if you get enough yet what you [TS]

00:44:56   really want to get a lot of those [TS]

00:44:57   straight ones that are like nine or 10 [TS]

00:44:59   inches long [TS]

00:44:59   get one of those and then you can make [TS]

00:45:01   like a double like you could make like a [TS]

00:45:03   tunnel and attract that runs on top of [TS]

00:45:06   it you get a switcher and you're good to [TS]

00:45:07   go [TS]

00:45:08   you're not the only one that was a [TS]

00:45:09   straight one that's nine inches long [TS]

00:45:11   Ramos boiled well that was such a sad [TS]

00:45:14   but no no it's Christmas and trying to [TS]

00:45:16   keep it you know thanks [TS]

00:45:17   oh sure yeah yeah go ahead [TS]

00:45:20   well the thing about n scale model [TS]

00:45:24   railroads is the ones that are made in [TS]

00:45:27   germany the ones that are that are [TS]

00:45:29   designed for old men like you can pay [TS]

00:45:32   200 dollars for a locomotive [TS]

00:45:34   cheese Louise you know it's not a it's [TS]

00:45:37   not a cheap hobby and you control the [TS]

00:45:39   trains from an electric controller and I [TS]

00:45:41   had friends this is still a thing when I [TS]

00:45:43   was a kid I my friend my friend had a [TS]

00:45:44   copy of the blues brothers album we [TS]

00:45:46   listened to the blues brothers ominous [TS]

00:45:47   basement he also train set down there so [TS]

00:45:49   I was associated Blues Brothers with the [TS]

00:45:50   model train i had every blues brothers [TS]

00:45:54   on vital that right yeah i know i'm i'm [TS]

00:45:57   not proud of it now [TS]

00:45:59   oh what fun stuff well but you know like [TS]

00:46:02   the blues brothers made a couple the [TS]

00:46:04   handful of vinyl records john goodman [TS]

00:46:07   one no trick come on [TS]

00:46:10   ok I'm talking about you know the it's [TS]

00:46:13   all with an asterisk Blues Brothers [TS]

00:46:15   fandom ends in the early eighties you [TS]

00:46:21   know like it doesn't end with Belushi's [TS]

00:46:23   death because the Blues Brothers [TS]

00:46:24   mushroom cloud continue to bloom em but [TS]

00:46:28   83-84 was the last time that you could [TS]

00:46:31   legitimately buy a new blues brothers [TS]

00:46:34   branded product but you know they made [TS]

00:46:37   several records and those records were i [TS]

00:46:39   knows the rubber biscuit one the ceiling [TS]

00:46:41   when I know they're meant to be taken [TS]

00:46:43   seriously as blues albums like blues & [TS]

00:46:47   soul records so they're embarrassing [TS]

00:46:49   just because neither accurate nor [TS]

00:46:52   Belushi can actually sing and they you [TS]

00:46:55   know they kind of grunt and groan and [TS]

00:46:57   and caterwaul over these blues tracks [TS]

00:47:01   but they are they are serious about it [TS]

00:47:03   and performances were so fun and the [TS]

00:47:05   band understand what you say about the [TS]

00:47:07   pan but you're looking at your you're [TS]

00:47:09   listening to it on an album [TS]

00:47:10   yeah so you don't get that you don't get [TS]

00:47:12   all the act [TS]

00:47:12   you don't get a lot done but yeah [TS]

00:47:14   they're they're playing over Booker T [TS]

00:47:16   and the MG's with like every other great [TS]

00:47:18   player including Paul Shaffer in the in [TS]

00:47:20   America like the band sounds incredible [TS]

00:47:23   impact on FB megs 14 you know four fried [TS]

00:47:28   chickens and a coke another movie so [TS]

00:47:34   much i love it so much about your magnet [TS]

00:47:37   armory you dry white toast you want that [TS]

00:47:40   I should wake the dead bugs off the [TS]

00:47:41   windshield strong stuff i annoy Nazis no [TS]

00:47:49   we're not going there [TS]

00:47:50   we're not doing any more blues brothers [TS]

00:47:51   okay should I square do you even though [TS]

00:47:54   I watched even though for the last two [TS]

00:47:57   days I've been watching godfather [TS]

00:47:59   ah in increments because my godfather [TS]

00:48:04   watching partner keeps falling asleep [TS]

00:48:06   oh now we're back to this and when I say [TS]

00:48:10   ah like when I when I give my godfather [TS]

00:48:13   watching partner and elbow and I say are [TS]

00:48:15   you serious right now she says no I love [TS]

00:48:18   it it's incredible it's just that [TS]

00:48:21   something i'm too hot i had a too much [TS]

00:48:24   popcorn something so we were up to [TS]

00:48:27   that's that's hard for me now did this [TS]

00:48:29   okay I'm officially old that is hard for [TS]

00:48:31   me to understand it's very hard [TS]

00:48:33   I don't know how you make a nice night [TS]

00:48:34   against answer key so I don't know how [TS]

00:48:35   you make it through without watching it [TS]

00:48:37   at a sitting and being riveted at every [TS]

00:48:40   single point and at the end going wow I [TS]

00:48:42   can't believe that was whatever 29 hours [TS]

00:48:45   so she's she's she is fairly really the [TS]

00:48:48   best miss the best movie but then she [TS]

00:48:50   just sort of a sudden she gets too much [TS]

00:48:53   popcorn [TS]

00:48:53   I'm like what is it what happened what [TS]

00:48:55   what what's the last thing you remember [TS]

00:48:56   she was like uh they were talking about [TS]

00:48:59   you know like Luca Brasi was getting [TS]

00:49:01   strangled or whatever no spoiler alerts [TS]

00:49:03   right around so so far we have made it [TS]

00:49:07   up to [TS]

00:49:07   apollonia is is destroyed in a bomb and [TS]

00:49:10   how many [TS]

00:49:10   settings like 3-4 settings mmm we've got [TS]

00:49:13   we booted three sittings ok but i [TS]

00:49:17   thought you know be able to to get [TS]

00:49:20   myself over the hump of buying this [TS]

00:49:22   thing for four dollars and so we're [TS]

00:49:26   doing very much but I have really been [TS]

00:49:28   struggling even in the you know the half [TS]

00:49:31   our that we've been talking to one [TS]

00:49:32   another and not just just talking to you [TS]

00:49:34   strictly in Godfather quotes not doing [TS]

00:49:37   it i'm not doing it to her because it [TS]

00:49:39   for a better one spooker yeah I know I [TS]

00:49:41   know I know [TS]

00:49:43   well i hope that they allowed to your [TS]

00:49:45   hand I feel your pin and so I mean what [TS]

00:49:50   can a person do right i mean it's it's [TS]

00:49:52   better than when I showed her ET and she [TS]

00:49:55   just checked out I was like this isn't [TS]

00:49:57   any fun to watch this [TS]

00:49:58   [Music] [TS]

00:50:00   alright i can I can handle it and then [TS]

00:50:03   she showed me crazy stupid love was like [TS]

00:50:06   isn't this a great movie [TS]

00:50:08   krazy stoopid nineties goods will [TS]

00:50:10   remember i have a 90s kid got a 90 [TS]

00:50:13   students in the nineties movie as a [TS]

00:50:17   steve carell movie and yeah with Ryan [TS]

00:50:21   Gosling Gosling apparently Gosling Emma [TS]

00:50:25   Stone Kevin Bacon marisa tomei ok so ms [TS]

00:50:29   im sorry IM stones i think you know what [TS]

00:50:32   a charming knowledge- but what I didn't [TS]

00:50:35   realize because ryan gosling was a [TS]

00:50:37   character that I only knew from the [TS]

00:50:39   cover of magazines at the grocery store [TS]

00:50:41   I just booked I don't know what does the [TS]

00:50:44   note [TS]

00:50:45   well I mean you know if you saw but you [TS]

00:50:46   know he's he's done some he's been very [TS]

00:50:48   funny in movies to he's done a couple [TS]

00:50:50   movies DVD drive c drive my friend so [TS]

00:50:55   it's a it's like a gangster movie I mean [TS]

00:50:58   and drive without spoiling it drive is [TS]

00:51:00   basically a guy his getaway driver a [TS]

00:51:02   for-hire getaway driver [TS]

00:51:04   alright don't say another word the [TS]

00:51:05   aesthetic of the movie is where yet may [TS]

00:51:08   see it just gonna say it [TS]

00:51:10   I found surprising even though Ryan [TS]

00:51:14   Gosling is basically playing a like an [TS]

00:51:17   men's rights activist to neg [TS]

00:51:19   girls in the film he's doing it it's pre [TS]

00:51:24   it's pretty gamergate this movie was [TS]

00:51:28   made pretty gamergate so we're meant to [TS]

00:51:30   find this character charming or at least [TS]

00:51:32   low he's mad he's a rake [TS]

00:51:34   john is a rate that's right we're meant [TS]

00:51:35   to envy his his suavity with the ladies [TS]

00:51:40   that's a big part of the plot but what [TS]

00:51:42   what I was surprised at was that i found [TS]

00:51:45   because I thought ryan gosling was going [TS]

00:51:46   to be one of these actors of his [TS]

00:51:48   generation was just like beyond because [TS]

00:51:52   they're there are they all really like [TS]

00:51:53   playing under play this is really seems [TS]

00:51:56   like one of those actors were like i [TS]

00:51:57   turn my wife and go with this person [TS]

00:51:59   ever on Dawson's Creek i'm getting [TS]

00:52:00   Dawson's Creek I don't know what it is [TS]

00:52:02   but because here [TS]

00:52:03   exactly it's somebody that was on a TV [TS]

00:52:06   show never saw a channel i didn't get [TS]

00:52:08   that was for people that weren't me [TS]

00:52:10   yeah yeah and I thought that too but [TS]

00:52:12   watching this I was like I find Ryan [TS]

00:52:15   Gosling apparently charming and I [TS]

00:52:17   understand why girls uh like him and if [TS]

00:52:20   you look at him closely you realize he [TS]

00:52:22   has hips you know he's not like a he's [TS]

00:52:24   not like one of these impossible Bobby's [TS]

00:52:26   super buff and cut or whatever but he [TS]

00:52:30   also you know he has yes shapely male [TS]

00:52:33   hips [TS]

00:52:34   he's not he's not Brad Pitt right where [TS]

00:52:37   you look at Brad Pitt near like I could [TS]

00:52:39   work 18 hours a day for 10 years I would [TS]

00:52:42   never have but brad pitt's physique [TS]

00:52:44   because i'm just not i'm just not born [TS]

00:52:45   that way [TS]

00:52:46   right right but Ryan Gosling you're like [TS]

00:52:48   oh right he's the you-know-who's shape [TS]

00:52:49   the man and my godfather watching [TS]

00:52:52   partner says that Ryan Gosling is what [TS]

00:52:56   she imagines River Phoenix would have [TS]

00:52:58   looked like if he'd grown up and I was [TS]

00:53:01   like oh look a world where river phoenix [TS]

00:53:03   is like oh he's like James Dean was for [TS]

00:53:06   us and I the James djane jacket of the [TS]

00:53:09   of the 9006 who [TS]

00:53:12   oh it's only they who will get this yes [TS]

00:53:15   so all by a all a leading up to the fact [TS]

00:53:19   that i saw lala land which also has a [TS]

00:53:23   land it's gotta be honest I think that's [TS]

00:53:26   good and they have a little you know [TS]

00:53:28   they they they have a wrap [TS]

00:53:30   or that was established at this earlier [TS]

00:53:34   film and so they are kind of the you [TS]

00:53:39   know the Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire [TS]

00:53:41   of their day even though they can either [TS]

00:53:43   sing or dance but you know like that's [TS]

00:53:46   good going to twist i really have the [TS]

00:53:48   right I realized as I was watching lala [TS]

00:53:50   land [TS]

00:53:51   oh this is an attempt a fairly sly [TS]

00:53:54   attempt by these filmmakers to uh to [TS]

00:53:58   take advantage of this this pre-existing [TS]

00:54:00   understanding that these two are a very [TS]

00:54:04   very good on-screen oh it's like a [TS]

00:54:07   little intertextual thing like some of [TS]

00:54:09   the appearances of like Robert De Niro [TS]

00:54:11   and a movie with us or or even marlon [TS]

00:54:13   brando in the freshman where there's a [TS]

00:54:15   notch or other things that they've done [TS]

00:54:16   kind of encompasses what they're doing [TS]

00:54:18   now right and so now we're looking at a [TS]

00:54:21   future where I think you really need to [TS]

00:54:22   be a 90s kid understand that but now [TS]

00:54:24   that you explained that I get it [TS]

00:54:25   yeah it's like a Gosling stone picture [TS]

00:54:28   causing sound and we're going to see [TS]

00:54:30   them reoccur and it's not that they're [TS]

00:54:32   playing the same people every time [TS]

00:54:34   they're just taking advantage of the [TS]

00:54:36   fact that we love to see Gosling and [TS]

00:54:38   stone do their due their bits maybe get [TS]

00:54:41   like Woody Allen and Diane Keaton or [TS]

00:54:43   something [TS]

00:54:44   yeah exactly even though one of the [TS]

00:54:46   great one of the great signs that my [TS]

00:54:50   godfather watching friend gets it is [TS]

00:54:54   that she said who's that who's that lady [TS]

00:54:56   said you mean Diane Keaton k and she was [TS]

00:55:01   like that's Diane Keaton I said yeah [TS]

00:55:03   this is early early dices early Diane [TS]

00:55:06   yeah and she said I don't like her and [TS]

00:55:10   hot [TS]

00:55:10   oh boy I ring I ring the tugboat Bell [TS]

00:55:13   you're not a fan [TS]

00:55:15   I find Diane King to be very you know [TS]

00:55:18   and her Woody Allen period is is what it [TS]

00:55:21   is it's an amazing record of our era of [TS]

00:55:24   our time and I kind of Godfather the [TS]

00:55:28   thing is that James items are shed my [TS]

00:55:30   call yeah she's a she is playing on a [TS]

00:55:35   fairly unlikable character and she's [TS]

00:55:38   bringing it i think k's unlikable [TS]

00:55:41   because k is presented in the film as [TS]

00:55:46   the agent the primary agent of [TS]

00:55:50   encouraging Michael to leave the family [TS]

00:55:52   business even though Michael wants to [TS]

00:55:54   and even though he promises her he will [TS]

00:55:56   so it's money Michael sets the stage but [TS]

00:56:00   imagine if K had overtime just as [TS]

00:56:04   Michael did realized that this was again [TS]

00:56:07   inevitable she becomes more like Karen [TS]

00:56:11   in goodfellas yeah embraces the reason I [TS]

00:56:14   got a fellow traveler right she's like [TS]

00:56:16   you know what this is who we are and [TS]

00:56:18   even though I am a even though I'm a [TS]

00:56:20   shiksa i'm gonna become a Sicilian Mafia [TS]

00:56:25   wife instead she's like this sort of [TS]

00:56:28   harpy over time she because she becomes [TS]

00:56:31   a heartbeat [TS]

00:56:32   what you're going to get email i'm gonna [TS]

00:56:34   get a lot but I did not find k to be a [TS]

00:56:37   powerful a you know like female role I [TS]

00:56:40   found her to be you know kind of a nag [TS]

00:56:42   and ultimately like she's she's one of [TS]

00:56:46   the things that presented this conundrum [TS]

00:56:47   to Michael where was he going to do he [TS]

00:56:50   can't he can't but do what he's doing [TS]

00:56:54   and he's only like he just has to be [TS]

00:56:56   dishonest with her in order to go and [TS]

00:56:58   doing what he had and ultimately he [TS]

00:57:00   loses his family over because he's [TS]

00:57:03   powerless because he you know because as [TS]

00:57:06   he says to his father on his hospital [TS]

00:57:07   bed [TS]

00:57:08   I'm with you now I'm with you and then [TS]

00:57:12   you want that the president's veto [TS]

00:57:14   doesn't think we don't want it tonight [TS]

00:57:16   Mike that he become a senator right yeah [TS]

00:57:19   that's right you thought to become a [TS]

00:57:20   senator when he found out that Michael [TS]

00:57:21   killed slots oh my god [TS]

00:57:23   Christie runs down his cheek he doesn't [TS]

00:57:26   even want to talk to Tom he was not my [TS]

00:57:28   wife is my wife and my wife downstairs [TS]

00:57:30   crying yeah but you needed a drink first [TS]

00:57:32   mhm any i-i-i approved of her assessment [TS]

00:57:39   of tanking because i have I my feeling [TS]

00:57:42   about it is that the the diane keaton [TS]

00:57:44   has been the last 10 years playing roles [TS]

00:57:47   of like I'm worky [TS]

00:57:49   worky mom is she's a position know it's [TS]

00:57:54   hard to get a good role when you're a [TS]

00:57:55   lady of a certain age they do not let [TS]

00:57:58   see you [TS]

00:58:00   yeah it's hard that's the business of of [TS]

00:58:03   actors of any age or stripe who have who [TS]

00:58:06   had you know million like I had like two [TS]

00:58:09   dozen million-dollar films I feel like [TS]

00:58:13   you should all be in retirement dinero [TS]

00:58:15   should have stopped making movies in 89 [TS]

00:58:18   right yeah maybe [TS]

00:58:20   anyway it's you know like world's [TS]

00:58:22   tiniest violin but I and I understand I [TS]

00:58:24   understand the argument that it's hard [TS]

00:58:26   for older women to get you know starring [TS]

00:58:29   roles in films but Diane Keaton is just [TS]

00:58:32   I just find her unlikable she like Helen [TS]

00:58:35   Mirren love Helen Mirren em you know I [TS]

00:58:38   realized i was watching cause I watching [TS]

00:58:40   last night's watching Richard the third [TS]

00:58:41   on PBS and its kind of googling around [TS]

00:58:44   you remember the movie the cook the [TS]

00:58:47   thief his wife and her lover the peter [TS]

00:58:49   greenaway movie remember the book it was [TS]

00:58:52   very famous at the time for being very [TS]

00:58:56   very luscious I like like many peter [TS]

00:58:58   greenaway movies it's very beautiful and [TS]

00:59:01   lush but like super super violent and [TS]

00:59:04   very very very gross and i'm only now [TS]

00:59:08   catching up on how many people were in [TS]

00:59:09   that movie that I didn't realize from [TS]

00:59:10   there i think i missed out on this whole [TS]

00:59:13   like I know Helen Mirren was in that and [TS]

00:59:15   like I mean take this is you know the [TS]

00:59:17   way I mean like she was hot [TS]

00:59:19   she's probably 40 but she's like still [TS]

00:59:21   like like hot Helen Mirren me after this [TS]

00:59:24   yeah let me really a bit have you ever [TS]

00:59:26   googled Helen Mirren nudes are you and I [TS]

00:59:31   went through this with Judi Dench Helen [TS]

00:59:33   Mirren and somebody else one time and I [TS]

00:59:36   didn't for a lot of English ladies in [TS]

00:59:38   the nude [TS]

00:59:39   yeah yeah and also can agree on [TS]

00:59:41   Mickleham on the second Dumbledore and [TS]

00:59:43   therefore many other moves metal cambon [TS]

00:59:45   I didn't realize he was the thief it he [TS]

00:59:46   was the bad guy actually well now here's [TS]

00:59:48   now your spoiler because I've never seen [TS]

00:59:50   the cook the thief the life and the way [TS]

00:59:52   you can skip you can see it's pretty [TS]

00:59:53   gross is that right there is good though [TS]

00:59:55   that's got sherlock holmes in its got [TS]

00:59:57   dad's got the benedict cumberbatch with [TS]

00:59:58   a hump and it was pretty good [TS]

00:59:58   a hump and it was pretty good [TS]

01:00:00   yeah I always try and watch the [TS]

01:00:01   Shakespeare movies there's a whole big [TS]

01:00:02   run right now it's called the hollow [TS]

01:00:04   crown and they're doing they do like [TS]

01:00:06   what's the one before Henry the fifth [TS]

01:00:09   day it's an original the second Richard [TS]

01:00:11   the second through Richard the third and [TS]

01:00:13   they're all [TS]

01:00:14   yeah so i haven't watched almost too [TS]

01:00:15   much Shakespeare from yeah well you know [TS]

01:00:17   cumberbatch with a hump but Allah you [TS]

01:00:25   know [TS]

01:00:26   yeah he and I and the only thought is [TS]

01:00:29   and hump on his back in la now is the [TS]

01:00:34   winter of our discontent that's how it [TS]

01:00:37   starts [TS]

01:00:38   he's going to help me shirtless with a [TS]

01:00:39   hump playing chess with himself and it's [TS]

01:00:41   all kind of bad shots with I mean this [TS]

01:00:43   is this was what embarrassed Richard [TS]

01:00:45   driver so badly that he wanted to give [TS]

01:00:47   up acting Castillo cause he would have [TS]

01:00:50   to do Richard [TS]

01:00:51   well sure i'm going to desperation this [TS]

01:00:54   is the bushes one of the major themes of [TS]

01:00:56   the goodbye girl which is one of the [TS]

01:00:59   classrooms will never seen it still [TS]

01:01:01   never seen you have ever seen in my [TS]

01:01:02   estimation fan so that's a weird thing [TS]

01:01:04   everything goodbye girl and i know it [TS]

01:01:06   and the thing is it gets for someone of [TS]

01:01:08   my age at four time it was named check [TS]

01:01:11   so often including on things like [TS]

01:01:12   Seinfeld that it's like it's crazy that [TS]

01:01:14   I didn't know it well I haven't missed [TS]

01:01:17   my window [TS]

01:01:18   goodbye girl I don't think so because [TS]

01:01:19   it's cute it's like it's like Neil Simon [TS]

01:01:23   movies where I don't know how you could [TS]

01:01:27   watch brighton beach memoirs at any age [TS]

01:01:31   at any time and not be charmed now i am [TS]

01:01:34   mr. goodbye by brighton beach memoirs [TS]

01:01:36   and this is goodbye girl feels like [TS]

01:01:38   you're watching a Broadway play from the [TS]

01:01:42   seventies like almost because it all [TS]

01:01:46   mostly takes place in an apartment [TS]

01:01:49   it feels a little bit like like the odd [TS]

01:01:51   couple [TS]

01:01:52   right right i get what you mean it is [TS]

01:01:54   not stage ii but that it feels like a [TS]

01:01:55   play it feels like a play and and and in [TS]

01:01:58   that sense like it's a good play and [TS]

01:02:01   Richard Dreyfuss its young Richard [TS]

01:02:02   Dreyfuss it's richard dreyfuss like [TS]

01:02:04   right after jaws and looks like it's [TS]

01:02:07   right around close encounters 77 it says [TS]

01:02:10   Richard drivers from his [TS]

01:02:11   turkey stage you know [TS]

01:02:15   yeah we're just like you just show up [TS]

01:02:17   the scenery you Richard drivers don't [TS]

01:02:19   eat eat eat it and it has a it has a [TS]

01:02:22   charming a like a nine-year-old girl [TS]

01:02:26   who's uh who's wise before her years I [TS]

01:02:30   remember who who reminds me of your [TS]

01:02:32   daughter honestly Clint Cummings she was [TS]

01:02:34   an actress I remember her child actress [TS]

01:02:37   it's a lifetime in the nineties look at [TS]

01:02:38   that she's like she is the blossom of [TS]

01:02:42   the seventies that what you're saying [TS]

01:02:43   she's gonna look at that she's been a [TS]

01:02:45   Beretta Starsky and Hutch six million [TS]

01:02:46   dollar man yeah all the shows all the [TS]

01:02:49   great chose family family was at the [TS]

01:02:51   loan with kristy mcnichol yeah man it's [TS]

01:02:53   hard for her [TS]

01:02:54   yeah i'm looking right now write it [TS]

01:02:58   right here in front of me on my on my [TS]

01:02:59   desk which is also right now at least my [TS]

01:03:02   dining room table with her i have a copy [TS]

01:03:04   of dynamite magazine with that's a [TS]

01:03:06   that's called the meat kristy mcnichol [TS]

01:03:09   issue of dynamite magnet can still see [TS]

01:03:12   the cover and yea right it's a wonderful [TS]

01:03:15   around still have a copy i had a [TS]

01:03:16   subscription i still have a copy and how [TS]

01:03:18   somewhere of the bee gees vs The Beatles [TS]

01:03:21   who's better than even a big showdown [TS]

01:03:24   I think it's still an open question [TS]

01:03:25   however is a final paragraph even in the [TS]

01:03:28   end even that remember the sense begins [TS]

01:03:30   in the end even the chart-topping bg's [TS]

01:03:33   something something something that is [TS]

01:03:34   going to appeals right they gave it to [TS]

01:03:36   him but it was a squeaker like right to [TS]

01:03:38   the last yeah yeah made it right through [TS]

01:03:40   that well I mean you remember when [TS]

01:03:43   squeezed was the new beetle squeeze are [TS]

01:03:48   going to make bad finger look like a big [TS]

01:03:51   star or something it's got a picture of [TS]

01:03:54   kristy mcnichol riding a skateboard and [TS]

01:03:57   then further on there's an article about [TS]

01:04:00   the dynamite duo these are the dynamite [TS]

01:04:03   do our as those two girls from the [TS]

01:04:05   saturday morning show [TS]

01:04:06   nope nope dynamic duo's in the last [TS]

01:04:09   pages of the cartoon [TS]

01:04:11   a little comic book thing in dynamite [TS]

01:04:14   right it is a comic dirty but to but I [TS]

01:04:17   feel like I feel like a dynamite do are [TS]

01:04:19   described as they are what are they but [TS]

01:04:23   ordered ordinary teenagers a strange [TS]

01:04:25   series of events change their lives [TS]

01:04:27   forever attending a carnival the twins [TS]

01:04:29   won a weird-looking set of matching [TS]

01:04:31   rings they're twins that one it's like [TS]

01:04:33   kinda like the wonder twins and when [TS]

01:04:36   they take put the rings on them they [TS]

01:04:38   become a dawn star and night glider mm [TS]

01:04:43   so it's a little bit like wonder twin [TS]

01:04:45   powers activate right shape of a nice [TS]

01:04:47   monkey right dawn star and night glider [TS]

01:04:50   been a better known as the dynamite duo [TS]

01:04:52   and their Super Heroes which so that's [TS]

01:04:54   what I thought you would know them yeah [TS]

01:04:56   so sentence so there's dynamite right [TS]

01:04:59   this is supportive of whatever 277 times [TS]

01:05:01   since many readers mr. the exciting [TS]

01:05:04   origin of the duo and some of their [TS]

01:05:06   early exploits we decided to review [TS]

01:05:09   what's happened so far [TS]

01:05:10   here are the most frequently asked [TS]

01:05:12   questions about our favorite superheroes [TS]

01:05:14   and then an entire page of dynamite duo [TS]

01:05:18   facts [TS]

01:05:19   wow it's called the fact sheet and then [TS]

01:05:24   very strangely the next this this [TS]

01:05:28   describes better than anything else [TS]

01:05:30   could our childhood in the seventies [TS]

01:05:32   because the next page is a double know a [TS]

01:05:35   triple page article on lon chaney oh it [TS]

01:05:39   was got our age was weird [TS]

01:05:42   you're right you're absolutely right and [TS]

01:05:44   and also I've been really terrified by [TS]

01:05:47   things like variety shows [TS]

01:05:48   we're like not just at sullivan but like [TS]

01:05:50   Carol Burnett were like you might you [TS]

01:05:52   can see something like impossibly modern [TS]

01:05:54   super weird or you might see like Milton [TS]

01:05:56   Berle yeah this is this is a big article [TS]

01:05:59   on on the hunchback of notre dame and [TS]

01:06:02   like all these black-and-white photos [TS]

01:06:04   love lon chaney in between a description [TS]

01:06:07   of the dynamite duo and Kristy McNicol [TS]

01:06:09   riding a skateboard and you're just like [TS]

01:06:12   asking 78 meet and Kristy McNicol [TS]

01:06:16   I guess this is and then there's a big [TS]

01:06:18   big article on the Muppets Muppets come [TS]

01:06:21   from one [TS]

01:06:23   look at the furry freaky fabulous [TS]

01:06:24   creatures and you might guess the moon [TS]

01:06:26   so I mean how are you supposed to mean I [TS]

01:06:32   you didn't you could convince me that I [TS]

01:06:34   would turn the page and see almost [TS]

01:06:36   anything right like Marilyn Vos savant [TS]

01:06:38   or or like a like little Annie Fanny or [TS]

01:06:44   I don't have no idea what's in this [TS]

01:06:45   magazine you turn the page it's talking [TS]

01:06:49   about now a cool like this this was the [TS]

01:06:52   era of the original like cool t-shirt [TS]

01:06:54   iron-on t-shirt see our article about [TS]

01:06:56   those but they would also you might see [TS]

01:07:00   something about cooking like how to cook [TS]

01:07:01   something you might see some like [TS]

01:07:04   prototypical kind of life hacks things i [TS]

01:07:06   must conflating a little bit my head [TS]

01:07:07   with National Geographic world which [TS]

01:07:09   also had a subscription to and what I [TS]

01:07:12   love that thing like the close-ups of [TS]

01:07:15   like you know patterns of close to try [TS]

01:07:16   to identify what it was [TS]

01:07:18   oh yeah yeah you know my i I've told you [TS]

01:07:21   before my mom got me a subscription to [TS]

01:07:23   Time magazine because she felt like that [TS]

01:07:26   was what I needed you know a lonely [TS]

01:07:29   sandwich posting things on Instagram the [TS]

01:07:31   other day where he was like I took my [TS]

01:07:32   kids to see something you always [TS]

01:07:35   remember your first movie was just kids [TS]

01:07:37   first movie in the theater you always [TS]

01:07:38   remember your first movie and you always [TS]

01:07:41   remember your first movie my first movie [TS]

01:07:43   was dr. Zhivago my mom took me to see a [TS]

01:07:46   99-cent moving your back when you know [TS]

01:07:49   like the biggest theater in town a [TS]

01:07:51   theater that seats 1200 people was [TS]

01:07:54   running old movies for ninety-nine cents [TS]

01:07:56   and it was then it was completely [TS]

01:07:58   decrepit dusty the seats were all had [TS]

01:08:01   you know the stuffing was coming out of [TS]

01:08:03   the seats and you could buy this ticket [TS]

01:08:05   and a popcorn and walk into this [TS]

01:08:07   cavernous theater that had 11 people in [TS]

01:08:10   it to see a matinee of Doctor Zhivago a [TS]

01:08:13   three hour film about the Russian [TS]

01:08:14   Revolution a three-hour romantic [TS]

01:08:17   rendition of the Russian Revolution and [TS]

01:08:20   that you know this was my first movie as [TS]

01:08:22   a kid and my mom was like you're gonna [TS]

01:08:23   love it it's one of the great films and [TS]

01:08:26   i'm just sitting in the theater like the [TS]

01:08:28   entire experience was overwhelming being [TS]

01:08:30   in the theater was overwhelming [TS]

01:08:32   like the type of theatre as you walk [TS]

01:08:35   down the aisle you can hear and this was [TS]

01:08:36   back when everybody wore leather soled [TS]

01:08:38   shoes too so your people are walking [TS]

01:08:40   down the aisle like clop clop clop like [TS]

01:08:43   like you're walking through the CIA [TS]

01:08:45   headquarters [TS]

01:08:46   yeah but you're in this like seven is [TS]

01:08:48   just the theater was as much a character [TS]

01:08:51   in the film and then i'm watching this [TS]

01:08:52   completely unintelligible movie to me [TS]

01:08:55   and yeah you're blowing sandwiches right [TS]

01:08:59   stuck in my head that's where we'll [TS]

01:09:03   start with Star Wars it wasn't jaws it [TS]

01:09:06   was in and then she took me to the [TS]

01:09:08   auntie mame which scarred me for life [TS]

01:09:10   really a team name is that Ethel Merman [TS]

01:09:13   uh no no it's that way i know this is it [TS]

01:09:17   dad let me get Joan yes is it right [TS]

01:09:22   between Russell me now [TS]

01:09:24   well as any music is because there's [TS]

01:09:26   name and then there's the other one [TS]

01:09:28   that's like main you got the worst part [TS]

01:09:31   was that rice and you got the one Barbra [TS]

01:09:33   Streisand it's like me get this right is [TS]

01:09:37   in this rosalind russell laws with [TS]

01:09:40   Russell process lasted one of my [TS]

01:09:41   confusing it with what's the other one [TS]

01:09:43   uh the other one is the one about about [TS]

01:09:47   Joan Crawford being a terrible mall [TS]

01:09:49   could be i remember we have the musical [TS]

01:09:51   in a check of the musical man yeah i [TS]

01:09:53   thought that that bad out about the main [TS]

01:09:56   house and we ok so business relatively [TS]

01:09:58   few walls that was Lucille Ball's 1974 [TS]

01:10:02   and Sue oh you're right the musical with [TS]

01:10:04   Lucille Ball I the original was a [TS]

01:10:07   Technicolor comedy from 1950s of course [TS]

01:10:10   I see my confusion now [TS]

01:10:11   yeah yeah with Rosalind Russell but what [TS]

01:10:17   was what was the one I was just talking [TS]

01:10:18   about the the mom actress that was a [TS]

01:10:20   terrible mom [TS]

01:10:21   oh that would be Nathan playmaking 81 [TS]

01:10:23   probably mommy dearest [TS]

01:10:26   Oh mommy dearest that was based on the [TS]

01:10:29   book by her daughter Christine [TS]

01:10:31   yeah so my mom took me to see mommy [TS]

01:10:34   that's the one that scarred me for life [TS]

01:10:36   oh my god your skull army poor line [TS]

01:10:40   makes reading Ron not a very good mami [TS]

01:10:42   not a good mommy I don't know know [TS]

01:10:44   it'sit's complicated it's hard to be a [TS]

01:10:46   parent [TS]

01:10:47   yeah John are you how are you going to [TS]

01:10:48   survive the or how you survived how you [TS]

01:10:51   move forward with the on Elsa Elsa [TS]

01:10:53   situation was so you still are you hyper [TS]

01:10:56   vigilant for four more incursions into [TS]

01:10:58   this are you are you okay with your role [TS]

01:11:01   as bad santa how how are you going to [TS]

01:11:04   proceed [TS]

01:11:05   well so I don't let stand to win this [TS]

01:11:07   one yeah Santa gets this one alright [TS]

01:11:09   once and this one Santa Santa Santa [TS]

01:11:11   Santa takes it and I'm going to I'm [TS]

01:11:15   going to continue to salt a little bit [TS]

01:11:18   in order to really play up the fact that [TS]

01:11:22   Santa and by extension my daughter like [TS]

01:11:27   made it happen at daddy's expense [TS]

01:11:30   because i feel like that is she [TS]

01:11:33   definitely feels empowered by it and I [TS]

01:11:36   have to have to have to lose this one I [TS]

01:11:39   have to lose gracefully that's a lesson [TS]

01:11:41   in losing gracefully [TS]

01:11:42   yeah but i can stop a little bit because [TS]

01:11:45   it feels like I'd you know like I lost [TS]

01:11:48   one fair and square [TS]

01:11:49   I love my daughter gets the better of me [TS]

01:11:50   it makes me really happy [TS]

01:11:52   yeah but you know oh I wanted like most [TS]

01:11:56   of us do initially to raise my daughter [TS]

01:11:59   in a gender neutral environment and I [TS]

01:12:01   went to great lengths to create a [TS]

01:12:04   positive gender neutrality in our home [TS]

01:12:08   not as an experiment but just as a way [TS]

01:12:10   of of of setting up a kind of freedom [TS]

01:12:13   dozens more interesting do and I [TS]

01:12:16   honestly it'sit's you know if you just [TS]

01:12:18   feed everybody from the same big spoon [TS]

01:12:20   that we were fed with it's not as [TS]

01:12:21   interesting [TS]

01:12:22   yeah you just let her let her pick and [TS]

01:12:24   from the very earliest moment if you put [TS]

01:12:26   a if you put a pink car and a blue car [TS]

01:12:30   she would pick up the pink car think a [TS]

01:12:33   friend and went through something very [TS]

01:12:34   similar to this [TS]

01:12:35   yeah and she would pick up the pink car [TS]

01:12:37   turn it over on its back and cradle it [TS]

01:12:40   and say [TS]

01:12:41   that's a good baby kiss kiss right just [TS]

01:12:44   the base and I'm like that it honey that [TS]

01:12:46   is the 1971 Camaro that I that I went to [TS]

01:12:51   great lengths to find you [TS]

01:12:52   yeah and she's like kiss the baby so i [TS]

01:12:55   stopped fighting that a long time ago [TS]

01:12:57   and now I feel like I'm just in it to [TS]

01:13:00   win it you know well what you what she [TS]

01:13:02   wants I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be in [TS]

01:13:05   there like don't you want to play with [TS]

01:13:06   this truck [TS]

01:13:07   I'm just gonna say like you do you want [TS]

01:13:09   the Barbies want the on and also like [TS]

01:13:11   here we come [TS]

01:13:12   there's a funny thread through several [TS]

01:13:14   things we're talking about i don't know [TS]

01:13:15   why i'm thinking that this book but we [TS]

01:13:17   talked earlier about like being a kid [TS]

01:13:18   and then i would like to your seventies [TS]

01:13:21   kid to growing up in the seventies and [TS]

01:13:23   you know even though we didn't have [TS]

01:13:25   things like prayer in school there was a [TS]

01:13:28   grace note to almost everything we did [TS]

01:13:30   in winter that it was about Christmas [TS]

01:13:32   and so I'm just thinking no like now [TS]

01:13:35   today I think we're still struggling [TS]

01:13:37   with how to handle that setting aside [TS]

01:13:39   the war on Christmas and all that but [TS]

01:13:40   like nobody wants to be a dick about it [TS]

01:13:41   you don't assume something about [TS]

01:13:43   somebody even with something as [TS]

01:13:44   seemingly innocuous as a greeting but I [TS]

01:13:47   feel like the phrase i think it's going [TS]

01:13:49   through my head as I feel like for [TS]

01:13:50   example being a very observant Jew in [TS]

01:13:53   the seventies must be must be worse than [TS]

01:13:55   like being a vegan today [TS]

01:13:57   look there's an option for you but like [TS]

01:13:59   it's really not the best we've got like [TS]

01:14:01   you know like yeah okay we'll take into [TS]

01:14:03   consideration we make the poster and we [TS]

01:14:05   have to look up how to say all these [TS]

01:14:06   things in different languages will find [TS]

01:14:07   a way to work in some Hanukkah you know [TS]

01:14:09   Monica is kind of a neutered Christmas [TS]

01:14:11   for Jews you know we want to acknowledge [TS]

01:14:13   that but like you know how do you how do [TS]

01:14:16   you do that as a family like you just [TS]

01:14:18   nobody wants to wants to be a dick about [TS]

01:14:20   this except for the chris ward christmas [TS]

01:14:22   people like nobody wants to be a jerk [TS]

01:14:24   about this you don't want to hurt [TS]

01:14:25   anybody's feelings and the current the [TS]

01:14:27   holidays are already fraught enough [TS]

01:14:28   without adding all this drama you know [TS]

01:14:30   for sure but all of that is part of a [TS]

01:14:35   thing like we have made it our cultural [TS]

01:14:38   imperative to presume [TS]

01:14:40   that everyone wants to be part of the [TS]

01:14:42   mainstream and that the mainstream needs [TS]

01:14:44   to be broad enough that it encompasses [TS]

01:14:46   everyone and I think in this up until [TS]

01:14:50   very very recently to whatever degree a [TS]

01:14:55   like smaller groups of of culture were [TS]

01:15:02   like not included at all in the [TS]

01:15:04   mainstream you also have the advantage [TS]

01:15:07   of being of knowing that you were [TS]

01:15:10   outside the mainstream and that being a [TS]

01:15:12   thing of its own appeal and i think i [TS]

01:15:15   think we if you were seven years old and [TS]

01:15:17   in school and everybody was talking [TS]

01:15:19   about Jesus and you were Jewish [TS]

01:15:21   it could have been very uncomfortable [TS]

01:15:23   and if you could have felt like why am I [TS]

01:15:25   excluded from Christmas but i think [TS]

01:15:27   within the Jewish community of adults [TS]

01:15:31   there was absolutely no interest in [TS]

01:15:33   being you know included in the in [TS]

01:15:36   Christian mainstream nobody cared [TS]

01:15:39   among adult Jews whether or not they [TS]

01:15:42   mentioned Hanukkah on the evening news [TS]

01:15:44   because there was a there was a complete [TS]

01:15:47   understanding we are separate community [TS]

01:15:49   we have our own traditions we are happy [TS]

01:15:53   more than happy to be excluded from the [TS]

01:15:55   mainstream culture as long as you don't [TS]

01:15:57   come [TS]

01:15:57   yeah try and burn our synagogue right [TS]

01:15:59   yeah this was a thing that I personally [TS]

01:16:01   saw when gay culture went into the [TS]

01:16:04   mainstream because when i first was a [TS]

01:16:06   week and that's it's changed a lot since [TS]

01:16:08   then we're used to hell no I don't want [TS]

01:16:10   to be a parent like that don't include [TS]

01:16:12   me in your family thing I got my own [TS]

01:16:13   thing going on [TS]

01:16:14   stop trying to turn me into like a [TS]

01:16:16   version of me that you understand [TS]

01:16:18   yeah right i mean the the whole notion [TS]

01:16:20   of I mean there were always gay people [TS]

01:16:22   that just wanted to settle down and be a [TS]

01:16:23   happy couple is consistent would be [TS]

01:16:25   harassed you know but they're there well [TS]

01:16:27   it's not it's like don't come to our [TS]

01:16:28   bars and fuck them up please stop trying [TS]

01:16:30   to turn us into the sympathetic friend [TS]

01:16:32   like just let me be a person and then I [TS]

01:16:34   was no big push to domesticate and [TS]

01:16:36   suburban eyes or to feel to make it so [TS]

01:16:40   even within gay culture that was added [TS]

01:16:42   and you don't know exactly that that [TS]

01:16:44   really feels like least in my exposure [TS]

01:16:45   feeling something in the last 10-15 [TS]

01:16:47   years and what's been lost [TS]

01:16:50   is this completely like envelop [TS]

01:16:53   a separate and other like gay culture [TS]

01:16:58   which had all its own touchstones all [TS]

01:17:02   its own secret language all its own and [TS]

01:17:05   tend to whatever degree like there was [TS]

01:17:07   persecution involved within the within [TS]

01:17:10   the bubble there was no desire to be [TS]

01:17:13   like mainstreamed man it was it was it [TS]

01:17:18   was part of the appeal and not part of [TS]

01:17:19   the appeal but it was it was a wonderful [TS]

01:17:21   thing I mean and the thing is we all [TS]

01:17:24   know what it's like to have a secret [TS]

01:17:26   culture it's the thing in a lot of our [TS]

01:17:29   lives that we prize the most so the idea [TS]

01:17:31   that that equality under the law also [TS]

01:17:36   means which is the thing that we all [TS]

01:17:38   absolutely desire and equality under the [TS]

01:17:39   lawn and freedom from being openly [TS]

01:17:42   oppressed is a thing that that that is [TS]

01:17:46   what we call justice and that's what [TS]

01:17:47   we're all working toward but the idea [TS]

01:17:49   that mainstream culture should be a [TS]

01:17:52   thing that that in that is completely [TS]

01:17:55   inclusive of everybody [TS]

01:17:57   it kind of misses the point of [TS]

01:17:58   mainstream which is a thing that not we [TS]

01:18:01   that to exclude yourself from or to even [TS]

01:18:04   be excluded from missed another word for [TS]

01:18:07   mainstream in some ways is Germany and I [TS]

01:18:12   mean it's a way of mainstream I mean to [TS]

01:18:14   me I think about the germany and the way [TS]

01:18:16   I learned it back in back in the day was [TS]

01:18:18   the japanese cultural hegemony was this [TS]

01:18:20   idea that like especially enough there [TS]

01:18:22   authoritarian regime really anywhere the [TS]

01:18:25   most almost those radical of ideas can [TS]

01:18:28   become kind of rounded off and [TS]

01:18:29   incorporate into the system such that [TS]

01:18:31   it's very difficult to be outside the [TS]

01:18:33   system because the system eventually [TS]

01:18:35   makes everything part of it right it [TS]

01:18:37   absorbs and neuters all difference who [TS]

01:18:39   and and new years is going to play em [TS]

01:18:42   yeah you remember for many years where [TS]

01:18:45   mainstream in our culture was synonymous [TS]

01:18:48   with Doland and useless in a way and now [TS]

01:18:52   we're now the opposite is true now we're [TS]

01:18:54   trying to mainstream every you know [TS]

01:18:56   every like permutation of difference [TS]

01:18:59   commenced and also now is code for [TS]

01:19:01   dishonest mainstream now is you take [TS]

01:19:04   this thing that's truthful from my new [TS]

01:19:06   product and then take all the truth out [TS]

01:19:08   of it to put into your news truck [TS]

01:19:09   products because you don't tell the [TS]

01:19:10   truth you're not you're not being honest [TS]

01:19:12   about this story but a lot of the lot of [TS]

01:19:15   the gay people I know that are my age [TS]

01:19:16   you know in a way they kind of I mean [TS]

01:19:20   they're glad for their glad to have been [TS]

01:19:23   like it within the culture taken out of [TS]

01:19:28   the out of the enforced closet but they [TS]

01:19:31   also lament all that was lost culturally [TS]

01:19:33   you know now it's just like I guess I'm [TS]

01:19:35   supposed to get married now why would [TS]

01:19:38   anyone course you gotta count a little [TS]

01:19:39   bit for you know aids in the eighties [TS]

01:19:42   and like i said i'm still I feel like [TS]

01:19:44   I'm still as many documentaries and [TS]

01:19:46   things I've read and you know and some [TS]

01:19:48   extent lived through and Friends of [TS]

01:19:50   hiv/aids in college you know and even a [TS]

01:19:52   tease but you know i'm still getting my [TS]

01:19:55   head around how much of America was lost [TS]

01:19:58   over about eight to ten years its I'm [TS]

01:20:02   still really getting that there are [TS]

01:20:03   certain especially in creative things [TS]

01:20:05   like you know like the dance and theater [TS]

01:20:07   community in New York just got it is [TS]

01:20:10   rated I mean it's still is like you [TS]

01:20:12   talked about this and like all the all [TS]

01:20:14   the lives you know lot you know that [TS]

01:20:16   lives just the people were just normal [TS]

01:20:18   people [TS]

01:20:18   the soldiers lost in World War two but [TS]

01:20:20   then just how many trombone players died [TS]

01:20:22   in World War two [TS]

01:20:23   we look at it that way its kind of [TS]

01:20:24   staggering and I don't start changing [TS]

01:20:26   the topic here but yeah it'sit's you [TS]

01:20:28   know back then you could come to a place [TS]

01:20:30   you can go to manage village you go to [TS]

01:20:31   the castro and you can find this little [TS]

01:20:34   terrarium to live it wherever not [TS]

01:20:37   everyone's like everybody agreed on the [TS]

01:20:38   same thing but like there's so much [TS]

01:20:39   shared cultural DNA about what we're [TS]

01:20:42   here for and they were interfered with [TS]

01:20:43   two surpassingly much and it got a very [TS]

01:20:46   quickly turning this driving culture [TS]

01:20:48   within like fewer than a dozen years [TS]

01:20:49   you've got this like really thriving [TS]

01:20:51   community of something that you could be [TS]

01:20:52   considered so Trey like in like you must [TS]

01:20:55   it must be kind of a bummer to look for [TS]

01:20:57   all those reasons to see that go away [TS]

01:20:59   you know where that is pet stores and [TS]

01:21:02   dildos but like you can also get baby [TS]

01:21:04   stuff there [TS]

01:21:04   it's the weirdest thing because from [TS]

01:21:07   within American [TS]

01:21:09   culture right it's very easy to look at [TS]

01:21:14   I mean the vast majority of the people [TS]

01:21:16   in the world and say they're living on a [TS]

01:21:19   dollar a day right and that amount of [TS]

01:21:23   crushing poverty is a thing that is a [TS]

01:21:27   tragedy and that we from our wealthy [TS]

01:21:30   tower need to address this tragedy for [TS]

01:21:35   other on behalf of other people we need [TS]

01:21:36   to lift them out of their dollar a day [TS]

01:21:39   existence and and from my perspective it [TS]

01:21:44   often takes the form of a kind of do [TS]

01:21:47   they know it's Christmas level of [TS]

01:21:49   condescension it's like the people in [TS]

01:21:52   Africa that I can really still sympathy [TS]

01:21:55   for these people is to realize how much [TS]

01:21:56   I missed Christmas if I was starving [TS]

01:21:58   yeah right like like the people in [TS]

01:22:00   Africa really think like they don't need [TS]

01:22:03   to know it's Christmas that's not the [TS]

01:22:05   point now and so from my from my [TS]

01:22:08   experience as a traveler right [TS]

01:22:09   everywhere you go no matter how much [TS]

01:22:11   money people have they are like they are [TS]

01:22:15   a super like glad to be in love they [TS]

01:22:21   love music and dance they are glad for [TS]

01:22:25   the food that they get and the then the [TS]

01:22:27   proportion of people that are love that [TS]

01:22:29   are literally starving is you know is [TS]

01:22:33   you wish that you could do something for [TS]

01:22:35   them but most people that are living on [TS]

01:22:38   a dollar-a-day have a quality of life [TS]

01:22:40   that maybe surpasses the quality of life [TS]

01:22:43   that you have if you're making two [TS]

01:22:44   hundred thousand dollars a year and live [TS]

01:22:46   alone in a you know in a cold heart [TS]

01:22:49   filled the condo downtown and have no [TS]

01:22:53   friends and spend all day on the [TS]

01:22:55   internet yelling at people behind an egg [TS]

01:22:58   avatar like to live in a bit village [TS]

01:23:01   where your heart has dirt dirt floor but [TS]

01:23:03   you're surrounded by people you love and [TS]

01:23:05   just from a strictly human standpoint [TS]

01:23:07   your quality of life is higher and our [TS]

01:23:11   rich condescension to to those people is [TS]

01:23:14   is pathetic [TS]

01:23:16   we don't realize how much we have [TS]

01:23:19   destroyed our quality of life because of [TS]

01:23:22   our wealth and you know you say [TS]

01:23:24   greenwich village and cast the castro [TS]

01:23:26   but I don't know if I've ever told the [TS]

01:23:28   story of my first exposure to a gay bar [TS]

01:23:31   and it was in anchorage in about [TS]

01:23:34   nineteen eighty-five and light now if [TS]

01:23:37   you have a remember my friend Kalin I [TS]

01:23:40   were out at night driving around call [TS]

01:23:42   you tell Ellen I were up there and we [TS]

01:23:46   were just looking for trouble and in [TS]

01:23:50   anchorage in the eighties the gay bars [TS]

01:23:52   were all very subdued on the outside [TS]

01:23:56   they didn't mean there was one that with [TS]

01:23:58   everybody knew was the main sort of gay [TS]

01:24:01   bar that you would drive by and kind of [TS]

01:24:03   look at like there's the gay bar but [TS]

01:24:06   there are other gay bars and they were [TS]

01:24:07   just you know they they played it pretty [TS]

01:24:09   suddenly they weren't called like cuffs [TS]

01:24:11   or anything they were just like you know [TS]

01:24:14   smaller little little pubs and taverns [TS]

01:24:17   and kill an hour drive around downtown [TS]

01:24:20   was two o'clock in the morning and I you [TS]

01:24:22   know we used to do this all the time [TS]

01:24:23   just looking for something anything you [TS]

01:24:25   know looking for something that isn't [TS]

01:24:27   nailed down driving along we see this [TS]

01:24:30   bar emptying out it's 2am and everyone [TS]

01:24:33   in the bar is coming out at the same [TS]

01:24:35   time and there's probably 50 people [TS]

01:24:37   pouring out of this bar and as we drive [TS]

01:24:39   by we see that the people coming out of [TS]

01:24:42   this bar are of it's a very colorful [TS]

01:24:44   cast of people and so we pull over and [TS]

01:24:48   we're like what the hell is going on in [TS]

01:24:49   that bar and we we park kind of in the [TS]

01:24:51   shadows and we see that we had gradually [TS]

01:24:56   dogs on us like up there [TS]

01:24:58   ok everyone that's coming out of that [TS]

01:25:00   bars gay happen they're behaving very [TS]

01:25:03   flamboyant a lot of them flamboyantly [TS]

01:25:06   like I my yard and the whole you're [TS]

01:25:09   seeing it all unfold and I had a gay [TS]

01:25:12   friend in high school who was like a [TS]

01:25:14   lovely guy and that but I had never [TS]

01:25:17   experienced a whole room of people all [TS]

01:25:22   coming out and it becomes obvious that [TS]

01:25:25   there that the conversation is [TS]

01:25:26   continuing in the parking lot and [TS]

01:25:28   they're making plans [TS]

01:25:29   two go two up there making plans to go [TS]

01:25:31   to a party and we're seeing all this [TS]

01:25:33   from across the street and like they're [TS]

01:25:36   all getting in their cars and then one [TS]

01:25:38   by one their cars all leave the parking [TS]

01:25:41   lot and all head off together in a [TS]

01:25:43   convoy and you know this is like a [TS]

01:25:47   lower-middle-class bar so they're pintos [TS]

01:25:50   and you know k cars and stuff it's not [TS]

01:25:52   like a it's not like a glamorous scene [TS]

01:25:54   but they all had often in a parade and [TS]

01:25:57   Callen I just instinctively like start [TS]

01:26:00   the car follow the parade and so off we [TS]

01:26:02   go [TS]

01:26:03   it's two in the morning there's nobody [TS]

01:26:05   on the street there's a parade of nine [TS]

01:26:07   cars or something and then tell and I [TS]

01:26:09   back a quarter of a mile behind [TS]

01:26:11   following along and the parade goes off [TS]

01:26:14   and off into the suburbs than off always [TS]

01:26:17   the Eagle River like outside of [TS]

01:26:18   Anchorage and we're just following the [TS]

01:26:20   whole time like what is going to happen [TS]

01:26:21   what is going to happen and they go into [TS]

01:26:23   this neighborhood wind their way and [TS]

01:26:25   come to a little house and everybody [TS]

01:26:28   parks on the street outside and they all [TS]

01:26:30   piled out of their cars and into this [TS]

01:26:32   little house and can i park across the [TS]

01:26:34   street and we watch the whole party and [TS]

01:26:37   it's very fun everybody's having a good [TS]

01:26:39   time they all know each other [TS]

01:26:41   pour into this house and we're sitting [TS]

01:26:42   across the street and were like whoa [TS]

01:26:46   what we do now [TS]

01:26:47   like what do we do and we both wanted to [TS]

01:26:52   go to the party and so we look at each [TS]

01:26:56   other and you know we're highschool kids [TS]

01:26:58   and this is a risky moment because it's [TS]

01:27:02   like you want to go to the party [TS]

01:27:03   yes I kind of do you want to the party [TS]

01:27:05   yes but this is in a time and in a [TS]

01:27:08   culture when it was it was just [TS]

01:27:10   commonplace for being the biggest put [TS]

01:27:13   down you could say to a guy was like [TS]

01:27:14   you're a fag and now we're sitting here [TS]

01:27:17   across the street from this party and [TS]

01:27:18   we're like let's go [TS]

01:27:20   so we pile out of the car march across [TS]

01:27:22   the lawn knock on the door [TS]

01:27:27   and everybody in the party that was [TS]

01:27:29   invited to the party is already in the [TS]

01:27:31   party so the party gets quiet you can [TS]

01:27:33   hear it like who's at the door and they [TS]

01:27:36   opened the door and here are these two [TS]

01:27:38   highschool boys and we said can we come [TS]

01:27:42   to your party and they said sure and [TS]

01:27:48   invited us in and the party picks back [TS]

01:27:52   up again but everyone in the party is [TS]

01:27:54   like who are you where did you come from [TS]

01:27:57   how did you find our party and so we [TS]

01:27:59   just copped to it [TS]

01:28:01   we're parked across the street from your [TS]

01:28:02   bar we saw everybody come out and we [TS]

01:28:04   followed you and now we're here and we [TS]

01:28:08   were completely embraced everything they [TS]

01:28:11   had so many questions about being a [TS]

01:28:14   straight high school boy and we had so [TS]

01:28:17   many questions about like like who like [TS]

01:28:20   she is obviously a boy and she's just [TS]

01:28:23   like a girl [TS]

01:28:24   what is that and and big laugh and then [TS]

01:28:27   everybody explains and it was Anchorage [TS]

01:28:31   gay culture in the eighties so this was [TS]

01:28:33   a bar that was like it wasn't a drag bar [TS]

01:28:36   it wasn't a dyke bar everybody was there [TS]

01:28:38   right i mean there were lesbians at this [TS]

01:28:40   party there it was a complete rainbow of [TS]

01:28:43   of what represented like gay and [TS]

01:28:46   alternative culture because they were [TS]

01:28:48   also straight like friends of gay people [TS]

01:28:51   at this party wasn't really like dots [TS]

01:28:54   yeah i mean the whole I mean they [TS]

01:28:56   weren't they were gay Goths right i mean [TS]

01:28:58   it wasn't like also a golf bar but it [TS]

01:29:01   was an incredible night and the whole [TS]

01:29:05   thing was for me like also fraught with [TS]

01:29:08   sexual tension because was like what's [TS]

01:29:11   going to happen I don't know where we [TS]

01:29:13   were taught that a that part of gay [TS]

01:29:16   culture was that was a promiscuity and [TS]

01:29:20   so r is this a promiscuous party and I'm [TS]

01:29:24   I'm a virgin I'm desperate to have sex [TS]

01:29:26   with somebody but it I don't is it going [TS]

01:29:29   to happen tonight [TS]

01:29:30   I don't know what with the context be [TS]

01:29:32   who here is who here are my most [TS]

01:29:35   attracted to [TS]

01:29:36   are they attracted to me [TS]

01:29:37   and there was a lot of flirtation but it [TS]

01:29:42   was this expect for me like this [TS]

01:29:44   shattering moment where I realized there [TS]

01:29:47   were subcultures that weren't just park [TS]

01:29:52   because I knew about punk subculture and [TS]

01:29:55   I was a you know a reluctant like [TS]

01:29:58   scowling adjacent punk because my sister [TS]

01:30:05   was Punk and I was her escort and so you [TS]

01:30:08   know i went to every punk show that was [TS]

01:30:10   ever in anchorage but i always was [TS]

01:30:12   leaning against the back wall going [TS]

01:30:13   this is bullshit but i was there you [TS]

01:30:16   know what I loved it but here was a [TS]

01:30:18   subculture that wasn't punk that also [TS]

01:30:21   felt permanent like it was this was what [TS]

01:30:25   if it's not like c32 felt like one it's [TS]

01:30:29   not sturdy yeah it felt sturdy there was [TS]

01:30:33   a tremendous sense of belonging and [TS]

01:30:35   inclusiveness within it and at you and [TS]

01:30:39   both Kelly and I felt some Envy at the [TS]

01:30:44   amount of love that you know 11 [TS]

01:30:48   acceptance that was sort of that [TS]

01:30:51   permeated this small party of very [TS]

01:30:55   different people you know they there [TS]

01:30:59   wasn't a there wasn't a single gay a [TS]

01:31:02   single type of gay it was every kind of [TS]

01:31:06   person at this party right and you know [TS]

01:31:09   and that was a lightning bolt for me [TS]

01:31:12   that from then on I you know personally [TS]

01:31:16   at them had no had no prejudice and [TS]

01:31:23   before that I had the prejudice of [TS]

01:31:25   ignorance and after that I was just like [TS]

01:31:29   well what happen if you say if you say [TS]

01:31:31   anything about gays it's just because [TS]

01:31:34   you don't know anything about them and [TS]

01:31:36   in my first job when I got to seattle [TS]

01:31:38   was in the gay bar so it was like it [TS]

01:31:45   wasn't just the castro [TS]

01:31:48   every little town had this going on and [TS]

01:31:51   I think in the Midwest and in the red [TS]

01:31:54   states now that's still true if you're [TS]

01:31:57   you know if you're in Missouri or you're [TS]

01:32:00   in Kansas there are there still is this [TS]

01:32:03   bar and there still is that party and [TS]

01:32:07   from the castro or from Seattle we look [TS]

01:32:10   at it we go oh my god and because there [TS]

01:32:12   is violence directed at those [TS]

01:32:14   populations we imagined that their whole [TS]

01:32:18   existence is characterized by fear and [TS]

01:32:20   violence but it isn't you know the [TS]

01:32:24   violence and the and the hatred and the [TS]

01:32:27   exclusion are are they don't actually [TS]

01:32:32   impact what it's like to be in that [TS]

01:32:34   space in a way all that hostility [TS]

01:32:37   creates that the love and solidarity in [TS]

01:32:43   that space and that's a hard thing to I [TS]

01:32:47   think for everybody in that room if they [TS]

01:32:50   were completely mainstreamed that would [TS]

01:32:52   be lost and that's me and that's the [TS]

01:32:55   thing that in the pursuit of like total [TS]

01:32:59   liberation and and I would never from [TS]

01:33:04   outside say that if that was preferable [TS]

01:33:08   right I can't say that I can't know that [TS]

01:33:10   obviously you want to be able to walk [TS]

01:33:12   down the street and and be yourself and [TS]

01:33:14   not be assaulted but whatever that small [TS]

01:33:19   and punk rock used to be like that to [TS]

01:33:21   you know you were at risk when you're [TS]

01:33:23   out in public wearing a mohawk that some [TS]

01:33:26   rednecks are gonna be your ass and that [TS]

01:33:28   was part of you know that was part of [TS]

01:33:31   what made punk rock so amazing from [TS]

01:33:33   within [TS]

01:33:35   and you know I'm not a risk of getting [TS]

01:33:38   my ass beat and never was but at a [TS]

01:33:45   partly I felt envy for the four like the [TS]

01:33:49   small community that I never would have [TS]

01:33:56   access to really unless I was unless I [TS]

01:33:59   was faking it you know yeah yeah um I it [TS]

01:34:07   sit it on the one hand it sounds [TS]

01:34:10   probably kind of odd or ironic for [TS]

01:34:14   somebody like you or me to say you feel [TS]

01:34:16   Envy for that because one reason people [TS]

01:34:19   end up finding those little cur asses [TS]

01:34:23   and life is because maybe oftentimes [TS]

01:34:27   they don't have anybody else and and [TS]

01:34:28   also to your point that you you are [TS]

01:34:30   right i mean obviously when you go to a [TS]

01:34:32   big town is going to be gay bars there [TS]

01:34:35   were times where I just I didn't know [TS]

01:34:36   bars for gay bars because I didn't know [TS]

01:34:37   what to look for i don't even know what [TS]

01:34:39   it really meant but also that I mean I [TS]

01:34:41   think one thing is like we were sort of [TS]

01:34:43   raised once you knew it gave our was you [TS]

01:34:45   figured as a place where much just men [TS]

01:34:46   were having sex in the bathroom and [TS]

01:34:48   that's not what it was and it could be [TS]

01:34:49   but it was it was just a place a could [TS]

01:34:52   just be a safe place it could be a fun [TS]

01:34:53   place to place [TS]

01:34:54   yeah being I'm not trying to finalize [TS]

01:34:56   anybody here I'm feel like I'm getting a [TS]

01:34:58   little dangerous i don't want to make [TS]

01:34:59   anybody adorable to fit my narrative [TS]

01:35:01   just people and it's nice to be around [TS]

01:35:04   people we can do you do your thing and [TS]

01:35:05   be who you want to be without as you say [TS]

01:35:08   for getting your ass kicked [TS]

01:35:09   I don't think it has to be that dramatic [TS]

01:35:10   just in any town I guess I'm thinking in [TS]

01:35:12   particular towns in Florida where I [TS]

01:35:14   lived where it would be you know two [TS]

01:35:16   years before I forget about the gay bar [TS]

01:35:18   i didn't i didn't get hot you know I [TS]

01:35:21   mean that there was it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

01:35:23   it wasn't called like the third knuckle [TS]

01:35:24   or something [TS]

01:35:25   it was just called gyms or whatever and [TS]

01:35:27   like right there wasn't it wasn't what [TS]

01:35:30   you thought of from like chick [TS]

01:35:31   publications and Quincy like that [TS]

01:35:33   this is it's it's not anyway I just [TS]

01:35:36   think it is interesting to think about [TS]

01:35:37   that everybody wants a place that you [TS]

01:35:40   didn't even know existed [TS]

01:35:41   I think we've all gotten that likely [TS]

01:35:43   even if you're just a little bit of a [TS]

01:35:44   geek and you find you know geek friends [TS]

01:35:46   or for some kids could be Scouts [TS]

01:35:48   don't know like whatever it is it could [TS]

01:35:49   be could be a christian church but like [TS]

01:35:51   to find some place that feels welcoming [TS]

01:35:54   and it is not asking you to capitulate [TS]

01:35:57   and in fact not asking you to capitulate [TS]

01:36:01   on your personality but say tell me more [TS]

01:36:03   about your personality like that's okay [TS]

01:36:05   here [TS]

01:36:05   like what and you can you first meet up [TS]

01:36:07   with somebody who like knows this nerd [TS]

01:36:10   thing and they know it more than you [TS]

01:36:11   it's it's warm and tumbling and it's [TS]

01:36:13   weird and you're like where has this [TS]

01:36:15   been for my whole life and it's it's the [TS]

01:36:17   best and you know tourists tourists but [TS]

01:36:19   notwithstanding its still a wonderful [TS]

01:36:20   thing dockers notwithstanding it's still [TS]

01:36:22   really nice to like have a place where [TS]

01:36:23   you can go and feel like you're more [TS]

01:36:25   yourself than you were before you found [TS]

01:36:27   it it seems like a more natural human [TS]

01:36:30   State and this is why I kind of [TS]

01:36:32   connected to this idea that that do they [TS]

01:36:36   know it's christmas is so it's just so [TS]

01:36:40   rude [TS]

01:36:41   who let alone destructive because cities [TS]

01:36:44   are unnatural agglomeration of people [TS]

01:36:47   there were tribes make more sense [TS]

01:36:50   yeah just a family of us if any of us in [TS]

01:36:53   any walk of life could say that we had [TS]

01:36:54   50 close friends 50 people close to us [TS]

01:36:58   including family distant relatives and [TS]

01:37:00   friends fellow villagers like there's [TS]

01:37:03   nothing any of us want more [TS]

01:37:05   you can't sustain a hundred close [TS]

01:37:07   friends 50 is this maxing out and if you [TS]

01:37:11   live in a 200-person village and you [TS]

01:37:14   have let's say 30 rivals 50 people that [TS]

01:37:18   are in your family and our close friends [TS]

01:37:20   and then you know some other people that [TS]

01:37:23   are shared the village but you know [TS]

01:37:24   every single one of their names and you [TS]

01:37:27   and at night everyone gathers around the [TS]

01:37:29   the in their respective little compounds [TS]

01:37:33   gathers around the fire and tell stories [TS]

01:37:35   and things like that is the natural [TS]

01:37:38   state of human beings and to be living [TS]

01:37:41   each in our own you know it in our [TS]

01:37:44   nuclear family in are under nuclear [TS]

01:37:46   family in our in our a closed-door homes [TS]

01:37:52   where we don't know our neighbors names [TS]

01:37:53   that is the pathology and and two [TS]

01:37:58   to imagine that freedom means that every [TS]

01:38:01   one of 300 million people accepts me [TS]

01:38:05   utterly and unreservedly is 0 is a [TS]

01:38:09   modern like misapprehension yeah that [TS]

01:38:15   that the feeling within your village of [TS]

01:38:17   300 people and how it relates to the [TS]

01:38:21   village of 300 people that is a mile and [TS]

01:38:24   a half down the road like there's [TS]

01:38:26   friendship there but also competition [TS]

01:38:29   and in some cases you go 10 miles down [TS]

01:38:31   the road maybe there's a tremendous lack [TS]

01:38:33   of understanding i've told you about it [TS]

01:38:35   when I walked across Europe and every [TS]

01:38:37   single village as I headed east [TS]

01:38:39   the villagers in and this is in Germany [TS]

01:38:42   this isn't in you know pakistan i mean [TS]

01:38:45   this is in this is in the center of what [TS]

01:38:48   you develop Central's yeah what yeah and [TS]

01:38:50   what you deserve the hyper developed [TS]

01:38:51   world people would say oh well you know [TS]

01:38:54   you're headed tomorrow you're going to [TS]

01:38:55   cross into bavaria and watch out for [TS]

01:38:57   those people today they are animal wow [TS]

01:39:01   and and then and everyone in Germany was [TS]

01:39:04   like do you know when you get into the [TS]

01:39:05   Czech Republic watch out because if they [TS]

01:39:08   are all like pickpockets and then the [TS]

01:39:12   checks felt that way about this about [TS]

01:39:15   the slow box and the slow box felt that [TS]

01:39:17   way about the Hungarians and everyone [TS]

01:39:19   agreed that the Romanians were all [TS]

01:39:20   pickpockets and I was just I was it was [TS]

01:39:22   just incredible to dig the the sense [TS]

01:39:25   that as you moved East there was [TS]

01:39:29   continual suspicion of the people that [TS]

01:39:31   lived 100 miles east like like lasting [TS]

01:39:36   thousand-year-old that they're more [TS]

01:39:39   suction more primitive and dishonest [TS]

01:39:45   yeah like closer to closer to some sort [TS]

01:39:49   of like slovak agrarianism and then in [TS]

01:39:53   and buy that by virtue of that their [TS]

01:39:57   water is bad their churches bad their [TS]

01:40:01   intentions are bad [TS]

01:40:05   and from one german village to the next [TS]

01:40:09   i was i just found this to be like [TS]

01:40:11   incredible than the the people in the [TS]

01:40:14   northwest of Germany felt the people in [TS]

01:40:15   the south is using the people in the [TS]

01:40:17   West about you [TS]

01:40:18   yeah and I am what I don't know is if I [TS]

01:40:20   had been walking the other way from east [TS]

01:40:23   to west [TS]

01:40:25   I just think that the snobs well yeah [TS]

01:40:27   that's right like oh well you know if [TS]

01:40:29   you had east from here you're not gonna [TS]

01:40:31   be able to afford to get a dinner [TS]

01:40:33   because they're idiots they pay this [TS]

01:40:35   much you know for pork or whatever [TS]

01:40:38   well no there's never there's I i found [TS]

01:40:41   there was never that amount of knowledge [TS]

01:40:42   the knowledge was confined to a little [TS]

01:40:46   folk wisdom about what we know about [TS]

01:40:48   these people [TS]

01:40:49   notnot that because they're there are [TS]

01:40:51   enough people from the east to have gone [TS]

01:40:53   west and come back now what they know is [TS]

01:40:56   everyone in Germany gets a thousand [TS]

01:40:59   deutsche marks a month from the [TS]

01:41:01   government and they say that from the [TS]

01:41:03   perspective of uh of their own village [TS]

01:41:06   where 10 Deutschmarks would make a huge [TS]

01:41:09   difference in in there month you know [TS]

01:41:12   like 10 Deutschmarks would enable them [TS]

01:41:14   to to buy a car or to live in a nicer [TS]

01:41:17   apartment and so they've heard in [TS]

01:41:20   Germany everyone gets a thousand [TS]

01:41:21   deutsche marks a month free from the [TS]

01:41:23   government and what they don't realize [TS]

01:41:24   is that a pack of cigarettes in Romania [TS]

01:41:28   costs twenty-five cents impact our tents [TS]

01:41:30   and send a pack of cigarettes in germany [TS]

01:41:32   called six dollars there's no that [TS]

01:41:36   there's an understanding of how much [TS]

01:41:37   money there is but not understanding [TS]

01:41:40   that there's a co measure increase in [TS]

01:41:41   cost and difficulty and so that's the [TS]

01:41:45   that's the experience you have I think [TS]

01:41:47   moving east to west and moving west to [TS]

01:41:50   east is just like the people there are [TS]

01:41:51   so poor that they that they have to [TS]

01:41:53   resort to stealing and they have no [TS]

01:41:55   education and as a traveler moving [TS]

01:41:58   through those spaces at a walking pace [TS]

01:42:01   I mean you do see the changes their [TS]

01:42:03   their enormous but you also feel like I [TS]

01:42:08   mean there's a lot more [TS]

01:42:10   community in Romania then there will [TS]

01:42:14   ever be in germany and in the end like [TS]

01:42:19   which do you want [TS]

01:42:22   i know i am i partly I i feel like i [TS]

01:42:28   have a funny side door into gay culture [TS]

01:42:31   because i did not have a surpassing [TS]

01:42:32   number [TS]

01:42:33   hey I had some in the closet ish friends [TS]

01:42:37   where we didn't talk about it in high [TS]

01:42:38   school but very few but I i did have [TS]

01:42:42   gained by friends in college but it was [TS]

01:42:43   not like a big part of my own culture is [TS]

01:42:45   music that got me into it cuz that's [TS]

01:42:47   where on the one hand for several years [TS]

01:42:51   when I was most in the music in my life [TS]

01:42:52   it was often gay bars that would have [TS]

01:42:55   what was then called new wave night [TS]

01:42:56   I'm but even if you didn't go on newegg [TS]

01:42:58   night is where they would play just [TS]

01:42:59   really good dance music that's gay bars [TS]

01:43:02   is where that was happening and you know [TS]

01:43:05   for me it was not any kind of like Oh a [TS]

01:43:07   furtive gesture against Frank culture [TS]

01:43:08   necessarily just that was a better bar [TS]

01:43:10   to go to their pretty tolerant of these [TS]

01:43:13   dorks coming in and messing up the place [TS]

01:43:15   on tuesday nights but like that was that [TS]

01:43:17   was for me that was an early exposure to [TS]

01:43:19   large numbers of gay people and you [TS]

01:43:22   realize hey you know they're pretty [TS]

01:43:22   harmless they're not [TS]

01:43:26   no they're not but hey they got inside [TS]

01:43:33   me and changed me forever I wouldn't say [TS]

01:43:34   they were harmless you gotta stay away [TS]

01:43:36   from the Anchorage gays gonna give you [TS]

01:43:38   an American girl hot [TS]

01:43:40   yeah okay here's the thing so you're [TS]

01:43:43   already the costly part is taking care [TS]

01:43:44   of you got the tall just go the american [TS]

01:43:47   girl doll store very soft hair [TS]

01:43:49   yeah oh yeah oh yeah you should brush it [TS]

01:43:51   though you know you gotta pressure but [TS]

01:43:53   but you know just what it's worth the [TS]

01:43:55   the target stores they sell a line I [TS]

01:43:59   forget what it's called but you'll [TS]

01:44:00   definitely know when you see it they [TS]

01:44:01   sell a line of accessories and tableau [TS]

01:44:06   and close that just just so happened to [TS]

01:44:11   exactly fit american girl dolls and they [TS]

01:44:14   are a lot less expensive tell me what [TS]

01:44:16   their how are they branded i forget the [TS]

01:44:19   name of it but you go to go [TS]

01:44:21   going you'll see like you know you'll [TS]

01:44:24   you'll instantly recognized I know the [TS]

01:44:26   name of it but like if you want a less [TS]

01:44:27   costly option and you want you want to [TS]

01:44:29   be a hero in or have sent to be a hero [TS]

01:44:32   that's a that's a good that's a good [TS]

01:44:34   American girl hack now the store you can [TS]

01:44:36   go it's fun you go to the store you can [TS]

01:44:38   have tea with your doll also the the [TS]

01:44:40   restrooms have a place to put your doll [TS]

01:44:42   while you're using the bathroom when [TS]

01:44:45   you're saying that there are american [TS]

01:44:46   girl doll store with the thing that's a [TS]

01:44:49   whole thing there's books my daughter's [TS]

01:44:51   read the books you can read about your [TS]

01:44:53   doll like my her favorite doll Rebecca [TS]

01:44:55   is a their Jewish emigrate immigrant [TS]

01:44:59   family [TS]

01:45:00   mm-hmm and they're trying to bring more [TS]

01:45:01   the family back from Russia and a lot of [TS]

01:45:03   drama monkey breaks his ankle no [TS]

01:45:06   spoilers [TS]

01:45:07   she's very excited about the about the [TS]

01:45:08   books but yeah now it's the whole thing [TS]

01:45:10   in the stores or I mean my daughter gets [TS]

01:45:13   to go there mom takes are there for her [TS]

01:45:14   birthday [TS]

01:45:15   that's like a big event every year I'm [TS]

01:45:17   not your search to get you don't need to [TS]

01:45:19   get into their brand as long as target [TS]

01:45:21   is getting there getting away with [TS]

01:45:22   murder with these things because you can [TS]

01:45:24   get really cool stuff that just happens [TS]

01:45:26   to fit an American Girl doll at their [TS]

01:45:28   stores you know one of our one of our [TS]

01:45:32   earliest children's books here was about [TS]

01:45:35   a young girl from from a shtetl sort of [TS]

01:45:40   a 19th century a like village I have to [TS]

01:45:45   assume in Poland whose rabbi has a [TS]

01:45:49   certain amount of opportunity to send [TS]

01:45:52   one person from the village to America [TS]

01:45:54   and in his rabbinical wisdom he picks [TS]

01:45:58   this orphan girl who lives with her [TS]

01:46:01   grandmother and says you will and she's [TS]

01:46:03   she her grandmother's taught her out of [TS]

01:46:05   so lace and he says you are i'm going to [TS]

01:46:08   be interesting Rebecca's family makes [TS]

01:46:10   doilies that's how they can afford to [TS]

01:46:12   bring people over from Russia cost [TS]

01:46:14   thirty dollars to bring from mushrooms a [TS]

01:46:15   lot of money [TS]

01:46:16   yeah interesting that and and so she's [TS]

01:46:21   very scared [TS]

01:46:22   obviously and she e-mailed that she [TS]

01:46:25   makes the trip and she gets to America [TS]

01:46:28   and there's a there that she has a [TS]

01:46:30   relative there who [TS]

01:46:32   or you know or friend of a friend who [TS]

01:46:35   put her to work [TS]

01:46:36   sewing in the in some sort of like [TS]

01:46:39   wedding dress capacity and she's [TS]

01:46:42   recognized as a as a great for you know [TS]

01:46:45   a really good seamstress so everyone [TS]

01:46:47   treats are kindly in that culture and [TS]

01:46:49   she saves up enough money and and she [TS]

01:46:54   she meets a nice boy on the on the ship [TS]

01:46:56   across the the passage and they don't [TS]

01:47:01   wanna you know I don't want to ruin the [TS]

01:47:02   horsley but eventually she uh you know [TS]

01:47:07   shy i am going to ruin that for instance [TS]

01:47:09   it doesn't matter but she saves up [TS]

01:47:11   enough money to bring her grandmother [TS]

01:47:13   over to America and even though that [TS]

01:47:16   seems like kind of a wasted effort [TS]

01:47:18   because your grandmother is a little [TS]

01:47:19   lady and is just gonna come to America [TS]

01:47:22   and be a burden and and she should have [TS]

01:47:24   been left in Poland it's a wonderful end [TS]

01:47:27   to the book because it shows you how [TS]

01:47:31   lovely the girl is and we got this book [TS]

01:47:35   pretty early on I i was at i was at [TS]

01:47:41   powell's books in portland and i saw [TS]

01:47:43   this book and I said you know I am a [TS]

01:47:45   dude a file and this seems like a fun [TS]

01:47:47   story of fun way to introduce Marlo to [TS]

01:47:50   the eastern european history my [TS]

01:47:53   particular interest and I read this book [TS]

01:47:57   for and I was sobbing by the end Wow and [TS]

01:48:01   that's what the principal called uh [TS]

01:48:04   let's see i have it on young take out [TS]

01:48:08   that you let me know i love to see that [TS]

01:48:09   yeah i'm bad at remembering the titles [TS]

01:48:11   of books and then everyone who's ever [TS]

01:48:17   read the book also sobs and I've read [TS]

01:48:21   the book 40 times and I continue to [TS]

01:48:23   choke up at the end and I don't know [TS]

01:48:26   what to do about it [TS]

01:48:28   I shouldn't still be crying about this [TS]

01:48:31   bill and you know my daughter loves it [TS]

01:48:36   and once it read to her [TS]

01:48:39   and i don't know like I don't know where [TS]

01:48:44   to find other children's books that are [TS]

01:48:46   of this quality because it's it's a book [TS]

01:48:50   that she'll be able to read and enjoy [TS]

01:48:52   when she's 10 but also i read it to her [TS]

01:48:55   when she was 4 and she'll she loves the [TS]

01:48:58   story you know she'll she'll love the [TS]

01:49:01   story over the course of her life and I [TS]

01:49:04   don't know you know like go the fuck to [TS]

01:49:06   sleep by adam mansbach is not a book [TS]

01:49:08   maybe she'll love it when she's 19 [TS]

01:49:11   I read it to her a couple of times and [TS]

01:49:13   until she was at the age where she was [TS]

01:49:15   like what is that word that you keep [TS]

01:49:16   skipping over and it's like well this [TS]

01:49:18   book's going in the closet [TS]

01:49:20   yeah my daughter recently read a good [TS]

01:49:22   one [TS]

01:49:23   she's reading after school fuck just [TS]

01:49:24   finished the about a little boy in [TS]

01:49:26   Japanese Japanese internment camp know [TS]

01:49:29   she really enjoyed that I mean these are [TS]

01:49:33   some of the these are some of the but [TS]

01:49:35   good things that we didn't have to read [TS]

01:49:37   these until they're ready for fairy [TS]

01:49:38   tales shit is scary [TS]

01:49:40   right right i have never read her any [TS]

01:49:43   kind of grim got a reader [TS]

01:49:44   Rumpelstiltskin it's so bad he stamped [TS]

01:49:47   his foot and he carries himself into [TS]

01:49:49   hahaha just like me [TS]

01:49:54   happy holidays [TS]

01:49:57   her mother [TS]