Roderick on the Line

Ep. 224: "Family Lasagna"


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00:00:20   hello guy John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:23   good how are you I'm doing pretty good [TS]

00:00:28   good having a coffee [TS]

00:00:31   yeah you know that seems like something [TS]

00:00:33   to do we have our our teacher conference [TS]

00:00:36   today and I always get nervous on [TS]

00:00:37   teacher conference day [TS]

00:00:38   what do you think is what's there to be [TS]

00:00:40   nervous about well you know how it is in [TS]

00:00:44   life you always kind of hope that things [TS]

00:00:46   will go as well as you could dream and [TS]

00:00:50   and you you fear that it's as bad as you [TS]

00:00:53   imagined and they always they almost [TS]

00:00:55   always go really well but still you [TS]

00:00:57   worry about the one where you going [TS]

00:00:58   they're like well we all have some [TS]

00:01:02   concerns about your child's call know [TS]

00:01:05   hello we haven't gotten that one yet but [TS]

00:01:06   you know so he's dropped a little bit [TS]

00:01:08   here the other ones and yeah i just am [TS]

00:01:11   always waiting you know because she's [TS]

00:01:12   been she's a good kid but yeah I'm [TS]

00:01:16   always nervous because I feel like I'm [TS]

00:01:17   on trial [TS]

00:01:18   i feel ya defensive is the wrong word [TS]

00:01:20   but I feel a little defensive [TS]

00:01:22   mmm yeah will you give them homework [TS]

00:01:25   uh-huh right yeah so now but you know I [TS]

00:01:28   think it'll probably go find have you [TS]

00:01:29   had any of those experiences yet once ya [TS]

00:01:33   teacher conference went to a teacher [TS]

00:01:35   conference skip the PTA meeting so far [TS]

00:01:40   mmm teacher compensation you should [TS]

00:01:42   really get yourself to at least a few [TS]

00:01:44   this [TS]

00:01:45   oh yeah i know they're in my future [TS]

00:01:46   right there was just one that was like [TS]

00:01:49   oh great one [TS]

00:01:51   hey come to the PTA meeting tonight if [TS]

00:01:55   you want to order bottles of wine with [TS]

00:02:00   your child's picture on them all its [TS]

00:02:02   Rick training wheel nuts big lovely [TS]

00:02:06   gifts [TS]

00:02:07   this is your last chance this is like my [TS]

00:02:09   dream and you're not gonna send you [TS]

00:02:11   another email up this is only the eight [TS]

00:02:14   comes the big 90 many limited [TS]

00:02:17   opportunities every week and so I said [TS]

00:02:20   this is this is a PTA room organization [TS]

00:02:23   i'm gonna I'll get involved [TS]

00:02:26   not quite yet I made that mistake when I [TS]

00:02:30   was when we were in pre-k [TS]

00:02:32   and I went in and said sure I'll join [TS]

00:02:35   the Executive Board I told you this I'm [TS]

00:02:39   sure went and sat down at the first [TS]

00:02:42   meeting and they were running the [TS]

00:02:44   meeting like full-on Robert's Rules of [TS]

00:02:48   Order No Wow and just real quickly if it [TS]

00:02:52   without revealing too much was your [TS]

00:02:54   pre-k of any particular stripe [TS]

00:02:58   methodology philosophy was it sort of [TS]

00:03:00   allied with any big ideas uh the big [TS]

00:03:04   idea it was a cooperative preschool [TS]

00:03:06   yeah me too which means that everybody [TS]

00:03:07   was there all hands on deck at work but [TS]

00:03:10   I was in this executive board meeting [TS]

00:03:11   the first one and they started running [TS]

00:03:14   down the minutes of them and i could not [TS]

00:03:20   I thought I felt that feeling that you [TS]

00:03:24   that maybe it was like a bad dream where [TS]

00:03:26   you were in fifth grade and you had been [TS]

00:03:29   mistakenly put in 15th grade yeah where [TS]

00:03:33   I was like what way will I i drifted off [TS]

00:03:35   their what what are we talking about and [TS]

00:03:38   I and you know then my eyes were were [TS]

00:03:41   like i was i was falling asleep in my [TS]

00:03:44   chair my eyes were like yeah I'm [TS]

00:03:45   uncontrollably drooping and like 45 [TS]

00:03:50   minutes into an hour-long meeting I said [TS]

00:03:51   I can never be here again I this has [TS]

00:03:54   been a horrible mistake but it turned [TS]

00:03:57   out that my daughter's mother goes to [TS]

00:04:00   those things all the time and she she [TS]

00:04:03   happily not happily but she took my [TS]

00:04:06   place and no one even noticed one thing [TS]

00:04:09   we have in common we both have young [TS]

00:04:10   daughters and we both have baby mamas [TS]

00:04:13   who are how shall I say and I mean this [TS]

00:04:17   as the extreme compliment that is it [TS]

00:04:19   helped capable they're capable when they [TS]

00:04:22   they go places and they do stuff and [TS]

00:04:26   they don't piss and moan about minor [TS]

00:04:28   inconveniences whereas we made a career [TS]

00:04:30   out of that wouldn't that be something [TS]

00:04:32   she's not my wife she cool she goes to [TS]

00:04:35   some meetings and she goes to a lot of [TS]

00:04:37   meetings you know there's one kind of [TS]

00:04:38   meeting or like like like you going like [TS]

00:04:40   you're the guest speaker and I got to [TS]

00:04:42   find meaning i like those this yeah [TS]

00:04:44   right [TS]

00:04:44   actually that that's the podcasters type [TS]

00:04:46   of meeting it gets bigger [TS]

00:04:48   hello but a lot of those kinds of [TS]

00:04:53   meetings I they have certain valence to [TS]

00:04:57   them that are not well suited to people [TS]

00:05:00   like you and me nobody there is [TS]

00:05:02   necessarily happy to be there but they [TS]

00:05:04   they're more grown-up about it they [TS]

00:05:06   handle it better and on occasion i am [TS]

00:05:09   sure i told you the story but on [TS]

00:05:10   occasion i would I you know what with [TS]

00:05:12   what with the preschools it was a co-op [TS]

00:05:15   like yours and you gotta help out [TS]

00:05:17   I mean yeah stuff does not get done [TS]

00:05:19   unless everybody does more than they [TS]

00:05:21   need to because there are a lot of [TS]

00:05:23   people aren't who are supposed to be [TS]

00:05:24   doing what they need to and you end up [TS]

00:05:26   doing more than you need to do then you [TS]

00:05:28   need to do so that's just to do to do to [TS]

00:05:32   do i was at a dinner party [TS]

00:05:34   not very long ago in a cabin which wait [TS]

00:05:38   for it didn't have a dishwasher [TS]

00:05:41   huh now it's been a long time since I've [TS]

00:05:44   been someplace that didn't have a [TS]

00:05:46   dishwasher because I state of mind [TS]

00:05:48   yeah i'm a i'm a downtown person and uh [TS]

00:05:52   we live in a you know interrupt in the [TS]

00:05:54   rarefied air of the ivory tower of [TS]

00:05:57   Seattle one of the two towers who and I [TS]

00:06:03   so I'm at this party and you know we're [TS]

00:06:08   making dishes faster than we're making [TS]

00:06:11   any other thing this is your meat [TS]

00:06:13   centric wedding party [TS]

00:06:16   well same cabin different events when we [TS]

00:06:20   were making we're making plates at the [TS]

00:06:23   at the at the boy party and yeah there [TS]

00:06:28   was a certain amount of like our I don't [TS]

00:06:29   gotta do the dishes one of the guys at [TS]

00:06:32   the at the at the boy party was a nag [TS]

00:06:34   right about the dishes and stuff me [TS]

00:06:37   tells me all right but then we're at a [TS]

00:06:41   we're at a party at the same place few [TS]

00:06:43   weeks later it was a it was a [TS]

00:06:46   mixed-gender party and we were just [TS]

00:06:50   making we're making dirty dishes like [TS]

00:06:53   you're going out of style because it was [TS]

00:06:54   one of those dinner parties we're making [TS]

00:06:56   the food all [TS]

00:06:57   only making the food making some pasta [TS]

00:06:59   making some sauce making some cake [TS]

00:07:02   that's that's that's a lot of dishes [TS]

00:07:04   making making making make him and these [TS]

00:07:08   dishes needed to get done and I jump [TS]

00:07:10   over and I started doing dishes and you [TS]

00:07:12   know it's a it's like riding a bike [TS]

00:07:14   right I haven't sat us in a sudsy sink [TS]

00:07:17   and done dishes in a long time but you [TS]

00:07:20   don't forget how to do it and it and [TS]

00:07:23   it's like back in the you know I was [TS]

00:07:25   back in the dishes who felt real it kind [TS]

00:07:29   of felt real good i was always I was [TS]

00:07:32   always too meticulous about doing the [TS]

00:07:35   dishes interesting and I never [TS]

00:07:38   understood when people would say you're [TS]

00:07:40   being too meticulous i would say how can [TS]

00:07:43   you be too meticulous in cleaning dirty [TS]

00:07:46   dishes [TS]

00:07:48   I mean I just want to make sure that [TS]

00:07:49   they're they're very clean and they're [TS]

00:07:52   like yeah I've been watching you been [TS]

00:07:54   we've watched that one dish for three [TS]

00:07:56   minutes and I'm like yeah that's what it [TS]

00:07:58   takes three minutes dish [TS]

00:08:01   this is this a gun on the moon right and [TS]

00:08:04   you don't you don't get on the moon by [TS]

00:08:06   just watching some water around [TS]

00:08:07   no that's right you make sure every inch [TS]

00:08:10   of that dish is clean and molecular you [TS]

00:08:12   got the right stuff so I'm doing the [TS]

00:08:16   dishes i'm making my way through it the [TS]

00:08:17   problem with spending three minutes per [TS]

00:08:20   dish is that three-quarters of the way [TS]

00:08:22   through a big pile of dishes [TS]

00:08:23   your hands are fully saturated huh like [TS]

00:08:27   my hands were like look but you know on [TS]

00:08:33   on on I go right [TS]

00:08:36   Semper Fi yeah dude I and uh and it was [TS]

00:08:40   it was it was it was super gratified but [TS]

00:08:44   it was some there was a visit is a [TS]

00:08:48   methodology and there's a way you know [TS]

00:08:50   there's like a every house has a [TS]

00:08:52   different style [TS]

00:08:54   oh so different you know and so I'm [TS]

00:08:57   stacking them up over here but that's [TS]

00:08:58   not where they go when you start with [TS]

00:09:00   something as simple as bottoms up [TS]

00:09:02   bottoms down [TS]

00:09:03   that's the or you know you get into [TS]

00:09:05   stuff like what-what silver silverware [TS]

00:09:07   makes sense to go to this place like [TS]

00:09:09   that why would you keep your knives [TS]

00:09:11   there [TS]

00:09:11   but I think bottoms up bottoms down i [TS]

00:09:13   used to be a used to be a bottoms-up [TS]

00:09:14   person and now i think those people are [TS]

00:09:16   monsters [TS]

00:09:17   if you wash cup why would you put the [TS]

00:09:20   lip of the cup on the filthy like when [TS]

00:09:24   you put it away like would you put it in [TS]

00:09:25   the cupboard like lip down that's that's [TS]

00:09:29   so gross don't talk about well I know it [TS]

00:09:34   all too well because i am a bottoms-up [TS]

00:09:36   person interesting it's time for this [TS]

00:09:39   country to come together [TS]

00:09:41   why why would you put a coffee mug in [TS]

00:09:44   the cupboard where all of the detritus [TS]

00:09:48   that falls from the sky [TS]

00:09:49   I see me what you're worried about [TS]

00:09:51   gravity plus the Flies mm and the like [TS]

00:09:56   geckos yeah like anything that wants to [TS]

00:09:59   get out of the night geckos [TS]

00:10:01   well shit the with the woofers and [TS]

00:10:03   tweeters come out of your speakers in [TS]

00:10:04   the middle of the night and they're [TS]

00:10:05   going around licking all the rims [TS]

00:10:07   that's what they do they like the rims [TS]

00:10:09   they climb into your cups and pots [TS]

00:10:10   stander back into the speakers in the [TS]

00:10:13   morning before you get down [TS]

00:10:15   yeah yeah so no you put the lips down [TS]

00:10:17   and then all that stuff they're just you [TS]

00:10:20   know they're like all you see them all [TS]

00:10:22   the geckos know the tweeters they're all [TS]

00:10:25   like clawing at the cop let me and let [TS]

00:10:27   me in i want to get on the get in the [TS]

00:10:30   cabins like sorry buddy but up [TS]

00:10:32   mhm now at that particular event was [TS]

00:10:36   there was there a sense that somebody [TS]

00:10:39   will take care of this [TS]

00:10:40   no because that there was some times [TS]

00:10:43   that that's what happens when you get an [TS]

00:10:44   event like that is and get you actually [TS]

00:10:46   this does there's a thread that runs [TS]

00:10:48   through all of this which is like being [TS]

00:10:49   around people who have just as strong [TS]

00:10:52   feeling about how to do this as you do [TS]

00:10:55   and it's very very different like a [TS]

00:10:57   different feeling about how this should [TS]

00:10:58   go [TS]

00:10:59   you don't mean I do like there's always [TS]

00:11:02   there who's like never watched edition [TS]

00:11:04   their life they're like they're gonna [TS]

00:11:05   think that's in front that's an attack [TS]

00:11:06   that's a punishment [TS]

00:11:08   OIC doing dishes just any of it just me [TS]

00:11:11   or whether it's going to the meeting [TS]

00:11:12   where they talk for literally 45 minutes [TS]

00:11:14   about how to deal with the fact that the [TS]

00:11:16   chickens are pooping in the yard and [TS]

00:11:17   gets on the children shoes I did feel [TS]

00:11:19   like that was a punishment [TS]

00:11:20   mmm [TS]

00:11:21   then see the first party I went to the [TS]

00:11:23   NAG guy meg I was the one that was like [TS]

00:11:27   well your mom doesn't live here [TS]

00:11:29   hmm where I was like all right pal but [TS]

00:11:34   the second one it's like we're gonna [TS]

00:11:36   wear a dinner party and its fancy fancy [TS]

00:11:40   enough we're making our own pasta [TS]

00:11:43   wow I'm not gonna be the one that's [TS]

00:11:46   sitting in the chair a pretending that [TS]

00:11:49   retained a nap when the dishes need to [TS]

00:11:51   get washed [TS]

00:11:52   you know i'm not going to be the ones [TS]

00:11:53   like huh what does not just take care of [TS]

00:11:56   itself you know you're trying to get [TS]

00:11:58   called on in class like not like noticed [TS]

00:12:00   yeah you don't want to be that you want [TS]

00:12:01   to be the one that's like way that's a [TS]

00:12:02   step ahead of the game i can't let me [TS]

00:12:04   get in there and get me to take care of [TS]

00:12:05   that sin there's the guy that I've been [TS]

00:12:07   which is a seems only slightly better [TS]

00:12:10   but is actually much worse which is um [TS]

00:12:12   you guys want me to do the dishes but no [TS]

00:12:15   no you relax somebody else such as the [TS]

00:12:17   dishes never asked what does somebody [TS]

00:12:20   want me to get more beer [TS]

00:12:22   no don't know you just you just you just [TS]

00:12:24   sit here and play DJ oh that's right [TS]

00:12:28   that is a job tho never cursed me to be [TS]

00:12:31   DJ really uh no I leave that to people [TS]

00:12:37   that have strong feelings about being DJ [TS]

00:12:38   em but when I'm appointed DJ hmm then [TS]

00:12:44   look out the roof is coming off this [TS]

00:12:46   party mhm I mean I love being DJ I'm [TS]

00:12:49   just not gonna I'm not gonna stand in [TS]

00:12:51   line to be DJ and I'm not gonna sit [TS]

00:12:54   there and you know like I'm not unzip my [TS]

00:12:56   pants m to be DJ ok i was a little bit [TS]

00:13:00   here oh my niece's wedding a couple [TS]

00:13:02   years ago because I was the only person [TS]

00:13:03   who had such great heights on the phone [TS]

00:13:05   oh that's nothing which we live in now [TS]

00:13:08   is likely there's a caller to call out [TS]

00:13:09   the the bride is a couple drinks she [TS]

00:13:12   really wants to hear such great heights [TS]

00:13:13   and they are oddly enough the DJ didn't [TS]

00:13:15   have it [TS]

00:13:15   this is a call to all mhm um she was a [TS]

00:13:20   whole she got a little tipsy and she was [TS]

00:13:23   like oh they're both guys hates her day [TS]

00:13:27   you know and you're like step size [TS]

00:13:31   inbee man is here actually gonna [TS]

00:13:35   constantly you district sleeps alone is [TS]

00:13:37   really good but that doesn't mean you [TS]

00:13:39   know what that that's kind of [TS]

00:13:41   lesser-known track but i think it's got [TS]

00:13:43   a lot of trooper who leases REM demos [TS]

00:13:45   have you ever heard [TS]

00:13:46   guided by voices all gather around i'm [TS]

00:13:50   going to show you guys how to kick at a [TS]

00:13:51   party set aside your chicken dance it [TS]

00:13:54   haha i would if i were if I were djing a [TS]

00:14:03   wedding i would just play god only knows [TS]

00:14:05   on permanent loop [TS]

00:14:06   oh that's a great choice you know you [TS]

00:14:09   don't know where that song ends so you [TS]

00:14:11   can just loop if you loop it properly [TS]

00:14:13   just keep going yeah he totally could [TS]

00:14:16   and maybe people would notice but you [TS]

00:14:18   know i have a this is I guess kind of a [TS]

00:14:19   bit but i have a problem with wedding [TS]

00:14:22   djs it's like every part of the getting [TS]

00:14:25   married industry it has a great gaping [TS]

00:14:28   maw and giant teeth and you think it's [TS]

00:14:31   gonna be a friendly dragon you think [TS]

00:14:32   like they say oh you know we can make [TS]

00:14:34   these petty fours just the way you want [TS]

00:14:36   the buttercreams gonna be exactly like [TS]

00:14:38   your dreams and you know it's like no no [TS]

00:14:42   the ER and never forget this Miami my [TS]

00:14:44   primary high school girlfriend got [TS]

00:14:46   married and went to your wedding [TS]

00:14:48   the German secondary high school program [TS]

00:14:49   i had secondary and tertiary high school [TS]

00:14:51   girlfriends but my primary high school [TS]

00:14:52   girlfriend was kinda nuts aren't [TS]

00:14:54   watching body but I went to her wedding [TS]

00:14:56   and and she had been like super clear [TS]

00:15:00   with the DJ about a few things and like [TS]

00:15:04   she you know you know everybody is [TS]

00:15:06   whether you're given birth [TS]

00:15:07   we're getting married you're making a [TS]

00:15:08   website you got certain things you have [TS]

00:15:10   like not that much of a feeling about a [TS]

00:15:12   couple things we like I really want to [TS]

00:15:14   have this one thing I wanted dancing [TS]

00:15:15   panda and head of the page and then you [TS]

00:15:17   might have some things we go like I [TS]

00:15:18   really it's so important to me above all [TS]

00:15:21   else that these things not happen right [TS]

00:15:23   away no rhinoceroses know and she said [TS]

00:15:27   she's looked into his eyes and said I i [TS]

00:15:30   am the bride [TS]

00:15:32   hey and here's here's here's a very [TS]

00:15:35   serves two things she's like I want you [TS]

00:15:37   to play at one point I'm gonna want you [TS]

00:15:40   to play melt with you modern English [TS]

00:15:43   would be [TS]

00:15:44   got the original or the the what the [TS]

00:15:46   original no I given given one of my [TS]

00:15:50   primary high school girlfriend it was it [TS]

00:15:51   was definitely be the yeah the original [TS]

00:15:53   you remember you remember they came out [TS]

00:15:55   with it again like two years later [TS]

00:15:57   bringing on the heartbreak [TS]

00:15:59   that's right that's right that's right [TS]

00:16:01   when they came out the next record they [TS]

00:16:02   think of me like think a lot of people [TS]

00:16:04   would listen to the original bringing on [TS]

00:16:06   the heartbreak and be kind of maybe even [TS]

00:16:08   confused because it doesn't have the [TS]

00:16:10   keyboard and stuff on it rite of the [TS]

00:16:12   second it's much more about the John [TS]

00:16:14   John John you know what I mean to do is [TS]

00:16:17   it's a different song and I think are [TS]

00:16:19   the request i see i remember her [TS]

00:16:20   enjoying the chicken dance but I feel [TS]

00:16:22   like she said something there was some [TS]

00:16:24   kind of one of those things that every [TS]

00:16:26   DJ does unless for the sake of this [TS]

00:16:28   argument let's say it's the chicken [TS]

00:16:29   dance [TS]

00:16:29   she was the chicken big pop up above a [TS]

00:16:34   bump and this dance that goes with that [TS]

00:16:36   we flap your arms you ever done a [TS]

00:16:37   chicken dance [TS]

00:16:38   what you see you sweating and you've [TS]

00:16:41   never done a chicken dance [TS]

00:16:42   this feels like a very regional idea of [TS]

00:16:45   how to marry another person it's kinda [TS]

00:16:48   like suburban moral stance we really [TS]

00:16:49   gotta get back to more stances simple [TS]

00:16:50   this is a masquerade nothing [TS]

00:16:52   it's like a macro and thinking how green [TS]

00:16:53   is like a wedding thing now I see the [TS]

00:16:56   only reason i am said macaroni the thing [TS]

00:16:58   is that somehow I knew that it was a [TS]

00:16:59   wedding thing but I don't know about [TS]

00:17:00   chicken pants okay i don't know from [TS]

00:17:02   chicken dances yeah but you know but you [TS]

00:17:05   know how to DJ at a wedding this i mean [TS]

00:17:06   no disrespect to the industry of wedding [TS]

00:17:08   teaches i'm sure they're hard-working [TS]

00:17:09   people but they do have a way they like [TS]

00:17:12   to do things and they got a bit somebody [TS]

00:17:13   has on microphone and they start running [TS]

00:17:15   things and they become the over-the-top [TS]

00:17:18   like drive time DJ person who mcs your [TS]

00:17:22   wedding and tells everybody when it's [TS]

00:17:24   time to do what some people really like [TS]

00:17:26   that but looking I'm sorry to interrupt [TS]

00:17:29   now please [TS]

00:17:30   I don't really go anywhere with this [TS]

00:17:31   like some time just talk about sadness [TS]

00:17:32   well but i need the bride very sad [TS]

00:17:35   because because you played the fucking [TS]

00:17:36   chicken dance and he did not even have a [TS]

00:17:39   copy of modern English's mail with you [TS]

00:17:41   which seems unconscionable to me [TS]

00:17:42   well if you asked for specifically the [TS]

00:17:44   soup yeah good I I guess have not been [TS]

00:17:49   to a lot of weddings [TS]

00:17:50   ok and that may seem that may seem [TS]

00:17:52   strange right you and I'm not gonna take [TS]

00:17:55   that seems very strange because you are [TS]

00:17:56   an event [TS]

00:17:57   and you get invited to a lot of things [TS]

00:17:59   you go to a lot of things [TS]

00:18:00   yeah it seems you would have been 240 [TS]

00:18:04   weddings [TS]

00:18:06   yes ice I you know like I I can see [TS]

00:18:10   where it might seem like that [TS]

00:18:11   okay but I have performed as the [TS]

00:18:15   officiant at but let's say a dozen [TS]

00:18:21   wedding [TS]

00:18:22   no kidding i have officiated a dozen [TS]

00:18:25   weddings including a couple of weddings [TS]

00:18:29   of people very close to me I the drummer [TS]

00:18:31   of the long winters I efficient his [TS]

00:18:33   wedding I officiated me or my nabil [TS]

00:18:36   seals was officiated Nick Harmer's [TS]

00:18:39   wedding the bass player of death kappa [TS]

00:18:40   cute [TS]

00:18:41   wow I appreciate i have officiated a lot [TS]

00:18:45   of weddings but i have not been to many [TS]

00:18:49   weddings where I wasn't officiated haha [TS]

00:18:53   kinda night going to PTA meetings if I [TS]

00:18:55   may say mmm right you don't you're [TS]

00:18:58   experiencing this in a very different [TS]

00:18:59   way than most people [TS]

00:19:01   yeah right i mean and so so I've always [TS]

00:19:04   felt a little bit of responsibility for [TS]

00:19:06   the wedding going going well [TS]

00:19:09   absolutely uh but that responsibility [TS]

00:19:12   ends when they say i do and like I don't [TS]

00:19:21   have any sense of what the wedding djs [TS]

00:19:24   doing past that point but all of the [TS]

00:19:27   weddings I've really all the ones I've [TS]

00:19:29   ever been to have been indie-rock [TS]

00:19:32   weddings where like same beam was the [TS]

00:19:40   music so lets you know what sort of [TS]

00:19:43   unconventional well yeah there's not if [TS]

00:19:46   there's a DJ it's someone that we all [TS]

00:19:49   know right like it's it's like Chris [TS]

00:19:52   wall or something right [TS]

00:19:54   and why would that be a great wedding DJ [TS]

00:19:56   right yeah no chicken dance tho puku and [TS]

00:20:01   also dated checks from david bowie's [TS]

00:20:03   Berlin period it is like down waiting [TS]

00:20:08   for little sound and vision ever [TS]

00:20:10   buddy dance it's just music for airports [TS]

00:20:12   and what ball inside 1 is over but he [TS]

00:20:16   lets the needle run for a minute because [TS]

00:20:18   this far as my hair [TS]

00:20:19   bom bom bom-bom so I really gets rocking [TS]

00:20:25   I have no idea at all what a [TS]

00:20:29   conventional wedding is like and I'm [TS]

00:20:31   kidding that's so interesting to me i [TS]

00:20:33   hear people talk about them and I hear [TS]

00:20:35   that you know and I hear about [TS]

00:20:37   bridezillas and I hear that a that drunk [TS]

00:20:41   rooms and I look at pictures sometimes [TS]

00:20:44   online of wedding parties and I think [TS]

00:20:46   why are they dressed like that and I [TS]

00:20:48   hear that weddings are very expensive [TS]

00:20:50   and that they're very stressful for [TS]

00:20:52   people like I I know about weddings [TS]

00:20:57   ok but either i don't get invited to [TS]

00:21:00   them uh well conventional weddings or [TS]

00:21:07   maybe I have been invited to them and I [TS]

00:21:09   didn't open the evite because I don't [TS]

00:21:11   open invites now that that's good policy [TS]

00:21:14   um they were all together hitch up on [TS]

00:21:16   facebook you know what I'm you know the [TS]

00:21:18   thing is if you send me any bite who you [TS]

00:21:20   don't have my phone number to text me [TS]

00:21:22   and say why don't you open my evite [TS]

00:21:25   there should be a name for this you [TS]

00:21:26   don't know your name for this phenomenon [TS]

00:21:28   right [TS]

00:21:30   don't you think i mean like i have [TS]

00:21:32   weddings but there should be a name for [TS]

00:21:33   this phenomenon haha GG almost got me [TS]

00:21:35   there if you really if you really knew [TS]

00:21:38   me you would never have sent us it's [TS]

00:21:40   like a canary trap [TS]

00:21:41   yeah yeah yeahs an evite when an evite [TS]

00:21:44   arrives in my inbox I i scan who it's [TS]

00:21:48   from [TS]

00:21:49   I make a mental note that person wants [TS]

00:21:51   something once we'd either attend [TS]

00:21:54   something or want something for me and [TS]

00:21:56   then I await a second communication i [TS]

00:21:59   see like a warning shot [TS]

00:22:01   yeah that's right like alright alright [TS]

00:22:03   Teddy I saw that you sent me bite [TS]

00:22:06   let's let's see how serious you are [TS]

00:22:09   about this i got a very I got a very [TS]

00:22:12   terse email from uh from a bride not [TS]

00:22:16   very long ago saying reply to my email [TS]

00:22:20   and I said but I I can't find it [TS]

00:22:26   oh and she said you bastard [TS]

00:22:30   mmm it is hard enough to put automatic [TS]

00:22:33   this is hard enough without forty [TS]

00:22:39   percent of the people i know not sending [TS]

00:22:42   the card back in a self-addressed stamp [TS]

00:22:45   card right and then I send emails to [TS]

00:22:49   that forty percent and fully twenty [TS]

00:22:51   percent don't reply to the email oh my [TS]

00:22:53   goodness and then I text that twenty [TS]

00:22:56   percent and here you and I are standing [TS]

00:23:00   standing on to like a two tiny little [TS]

00:23:06   roadrunner plateaus in a bit but the [TS]

00:23:10   skies turn red and the ground isn't [TS]

00:23:13   inflamed and more quality in terms [TS]

00:23:14   though it's more like she has to go [TS]

00:23:16   door-to-door and like stand there while [TS]

00:23:18   you're obviously she can see your shadow [TS]

00:23:20   on the screen look you're obviously [TS]

00:23:20   standing there like open the fucking [TS]

00:23:22   door [TS]

00:23:23   but why and now you're on the here [TS]

00:23:27   it felt so bad for I felt badly because [TS]

00:23:32   I understand in a lot of cases that i [TS]

00:23:36   meant to know better [TS]

00:23:41   Wow back tilt we don't know better [TS]

00:23:46   all by way of saying that i have never [TS]

00:23:50   been to a wedding in an event space [TS]

00:23:52   where the where the bride didn't know [TS]

00:23:55   the DJ already as a friend so I don't [TS]

00:23:59   know what I don't know from even from [TS]

00:24:01   Mac arena [TS]

00:24:02   I don't know from I don't know from but [TS]

00:24:05   I always know the parents of the of the [TS]

00:24:08   people already like a so I can't believe [TS]

00:24:13   that at my advanced age i'm sitting here [TS]

00:24:16   thinking about it I can't think of a [TS]

00:24:19   wedding I've been to in 25 years that [TS]

00:24:22   didn't have some where I didn't either [TS]

00:24:27   know every single person there or where [TS]

00:24:29   it wasn't like being held [TS]

00:24:32   a rowboat or something you know so this [TS]

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00:25:59   so so i'm i'm i'm so divorced from from [TS]

00:26:05   what the from this whole not just the [TS]

00:26:07   wedding culture but like the like what [TS]

00:26:09   everyone must have gone everyone i know [TS]

00:26:11   that's married that I don't know well [TS]

00:26:13   enough to have been there but they must [TS]

00:26:14   have gone through [TS]

00:26:15   well it's it's butterly fraud because [TS]

00:26:17   everything you're saying is true and as [TS]

00:26:21   usual [TS]

00:26:22   yeah sure and and and so one thing about [TS]

00:26:27   this is everything you're describing is [TS]

00:26:28   true and ever thus it's been I assume [TS]

00:26:31   like it is costly it is complicated it's [TS]

00:26:33   emotionally difficult because there's a [TS]

00:26:37   certain kind of like [TS]

00:26:40   class sorting you have to be the sorting [TS]

00:26:43   hat for all these different people and [TS]

00:26:46   decide all kinds of things like and you [TS]

00:26:48   see this for example with table [TS]

00:26:49   arrangements for you to start like who's [TS]

00:26:51   at what table and how you're going to [TS]

00:26:52   mix that up and there's this constant [TS]

00:26:54   type but I guess what I think in general [TS]

00:26:56   is constant tightrope walk on the one [TS]

00:26:58   hand like you think is what you think [TS]

00:27:00   those weddings are like is probably not [TS]

00:27:02   far off what they're like [TS]

00:27:04   because a lot of our sense of what we [TS]

00:27:06   get about wedding what wedding should be [TS]

00:27:08   is from TV's and movies and from other [TS]

00:27:10   weddings we've been to so on the one [TS]

00:27:13   hand there's this pressure to like put [TS]

00:27:15   on this thing for your family and to [TS]

00:27:16   extend your friends that was really in a [TS]

00:27:19   lot of ways weddings are about everybody [TS]

00:27:21   but you [TS]

00:27:22   they're just like funerals yeah that's [TS]

00:27:24   what they're not for the living [TS]

00:27:25   that's that's a very very good point but [TS]

00:27:28   it isn't someone is really about [TS]

00:27:29   throwing a party that's going to be this [TS]

00:27:32   satisfying our ritual for all the [TS]

00:27:36   important people in your life you have [TS]

00:27:38   to whether you want to or not you kind [TS]

00:27:40   of have to think about stepping on toes [TS]

00:27:41   like thinking about like okay is is [TS]

00:27:45   divorced dad going to be here and [TS]

00:27:47   divorce mom going to be there and is is [TS]

00:27:49   she going to bring her boyfriend all [TS]

00:27:52   that kind of the drinks he drinks right [TS]

00:27:53   who drinks and then who's gonna walk her [TS]

00:27:56   down the aisle and like she wants that [TS]

00:27:58   to be her decision she might want her [TS]

00:28:00   English professor to walk her down the [TS]

00:28:02   aisle but she can because divorce dad [TS]

00:28:03   will get mad and etc etc setup button so [TS]

00:28:06   but i think there's this line try to [TS]

00:28:08   walk like making it the big event for [TS]

00:28:10   the couple making it the pretentious [TS]

00:28:13   maybe even vaguely mumbo-jumbo religious [TS]

00:28:16   event probably for some of your family [TS]

00:28:18   but you're also constant tightrope is [TS]

00:28:20   also weighing that against like oh but I [TS]

00:28:22   don't want this to be a cliché I want [TS]

00:28:24   it and once I want mine to be different [TS]

00:28:26   so we're going to write our own vows and [TS]

00:28:28   these days almost everybody raised their [TS]

00:28:29   own valves or you know what I mean [TS]

00:28:30   there's something about it you're going [TS]

00:28:32   to do the flowers in this different way [TS]

00:28:33   and it all at all costs money it all [TS]

00:28:35   takes time and I'll takes resources so I [TS]

00:28:38   mean it is it's is I mean like for [TS]

00:28:40   example my niece for whom I was the [TS]

00:28:42   efficient in the only wedding she could [TS]

00:28:44   not have been more mellow about the [TS]

00:28:46   whole thing to wear it was like I was [TS]

00:28:48   the one emailing her like so is this ok [TS]

00:28:49   it's alright just not be fine [TS]

00:28:51   like make it a little bit like the [TS]

00:28:53   spiritual or something [TS]

00:28:54   and I was like okay a little bit of Book [TS]

00:28:56   of Common Prayer funny anecdote where [TS]

00:28:59   some nice shoes with all the Bible was [TS]

00:29:01   written is that right yeah yeah we're [TS]

00:29:04   sumbitches chill just don't where's more [TS]

00:29:06   religious stuff they got animal stories [TS]

00:29:08   they got fire [TS]

00:29:09   that's right that's right there's some [TS]

00:29:11   there's a lot of adventure hydrant magic [TS]

00:29:13   john is like magic in the Bible they are [TS]

00:29:14   gladiators gladiators get Wizards yeah [TS]

00:29:17   you gotta get healings you get fish just [TS]

00:29:20   throw a little bit more religious stuff [TS]

00:29:22   in there and we're good [TS]

00:29:23   you think that passes through like a [TS]

00:29:24   second draft and gets passed around the [TS]

00:29:25   writers room and like I like the loaves [TS]

00:29:28   and fishes but I'm not really seeing the [TS]

00:29:30   connection with God [TS]

00:29:31   well yeah I think it does i think each [TS]

00:29:33   one of the I think each one of the [TS]

00:29:34   writers had a little bit of leeway also [TS]

00:29:37   the Sadducees are coming across little [TS]

00:29:39   jewy to me we turn that down a little [TS]

00:29:40   bit but the thing is then you know then [TS]

00:29:43   it goes to committee right and it's the [TS]

00:29:45   council of nicea it takes it apart and [TS]

00:29:47   then Augustine's got other things to say [TS]

00:29:49   about you get the diet of worms it's and [TS]

00:29:51   takes a long time to get to get a script [TS]

00:29:53   into production [TS]

00:29:54   yeah all my gosh and then you get stuck [TS]

00:29:56   in turn around what is that right it's [TS]

00:29:58   an epic picture you're going to have to [TS]

00:30:00   get going to get a lot of hard to build [TS]

00:30:02   a set of Cleopatra twice because the [TS]

00:30:05   first one was they used metric instead [TS]

00:30:07   of instant alert three or four minute [TS]

00:30:10   youtube videos i'm not really sure but i [TS]

00:30:11   think something happened with a [TS]

00:30:13   elizabeth taylor got sick and then they [TS]

00:30:15   had to like use it for something else [TS]

00:30:17   and then rebuild the set and even though [TS]

00:30:18   it was the top movie of that year it [TS]

00:30:21   still didn't turn back turn back and [TS]

00:30:24   that's something that's inside talk [TS]

00:30:26   about some Hollywood we did not even [TS]

00:30:27   gotten into the whole gift conundrum [TS]

00:30:30   so like a lot of you with the wedding [TS]

00:30:32   yes a lot of people our wedding you want [TS]

00:30:33   to say hey don't give us gifts well you [TS]

00:30:35   know what turns out that's not actually [TS]

00:30:37   that cool thing to say because the thing [TS]

00:30:39   is you're on who loves you really wants [TS]

00:30:42   to not just give you something but wants [TS]

00:30:44   to give you something memorable your I [TS]

00:30:46   don't be unkind but you're kind of [TS]

00:30:47   denying them the chance to do something [TS]

00:30:48   that's important to them it's one of the [TS]

00:30:50   many bullets you have to take when [TS]

00:30:52   you're when you're getting married is up [TS]

00:30:54   to give you LOL you have to register you [TS]

00:30:56   don't have to but your entire family is [TS]

00:30:58   going to be like no like I really want [TS]

00:31:00   to get you something [TS]

00:31:01   yeah and then you gotta figure out a [TS]

00:31:03   range of prices you gotta put a big bang [TS]

00:31:05   on there so if you do something to do [TS]

00:31:07   we just want money towards our mortgage [TS]

00:31:08   like that might not go over all that [TS]

00:31:10   well someone like just pay for our [TS]

00:31:12   honeymoon that some people are doing [TS]

00:31:14   things like that you could pay off my [TS]

00:31:15   student debt [TS]

00:31:16   well yeah i wanna know yeah I could do [TS]

00:31:18   that but like candy some spoons or [TS]

00:31:20   something [TS]

00:31:21   spoons yeah I do that I some i think [TS]

00:31:24   somewhere with a long time ago I went to [TS]

00:31:27   one of the early weddings when I you [TS]

00:31:30   know but which I mean one of the first [TS]

00:31:32   ones ever was Abraham and Sarah uh-huh [TS]

00:31:35   uh-huh and uh and it was Abraham and [TS]

00:31:40   Mary are you telling me refresh sorry [TS]

00:31:42   top and they said we look for if that's [TS]

00:31:47   funny [TS]

00:31:48   ok your little one for that they they [TS]

00:31:50   said we don't want gifts this when so [TS]

00:31:54   different is that we don't want gifts [TS]

00:31:59   and so I took that tube bikes i took [TS]

00:32:02   that to be how weddings are and that I [TS]

00:32:05   just have always extended that to [TS]

00:32:07   everyone [TS]

00:32:07   ok alright so because I was the first [TS]

00:32:11   one I went to didn't want gifts [TS]

00:32:12   yeah why would any subsequent when it's [TS]

00:32:14   a little learning pattern and you [TS]

00:32:16   internalize they see that's my that's my [TS]

00:32:17   new pattern now I said it was supposedly [TS]

00:32:19   you get a year to give a gift that's the [TS]

00:32:21   conventional wisdom [TS]

00:32:22   oh so you want when I'm the hook one [TS]

00:32:26   wedding i went to i did give the bride [TS]

00:32:29   and groom very fancy matching gift [TS]

00:32:32   because I felt like I thought like the [TS]

00:32:37   groom had done many great [TS]

00:32:39   he he he had been a good friend over the [TS]

00:32:42   years and that this was a group this was [TS]

00:32:44   a a 0 a gift commensurate with the [TS]

00:32:48   amount of love that I felt who and and [TS]

00:32:54   the bride and groom received the gift [TS]

00:32:56   very you know like graciously like oh [TS]

00:33:00   thanks like that we receive a men's [TS]

00:33:03   wallet [TS]

00:33:04   we're here sort of like the way you if I [TS]

00:33:07   had handed them a casserole and when [TS]

00:33:10   they looked at the casserole it had [TS]

00:33:12   pasta but also like eminem top stitched [TS]

00:33:19   whatever like thanks like this is my [TS]

00:33:23   family was on you but I add a ska added [TS]

00:33:27   skills because it's because i love [TS]

00:33:29   skittles and then those gifts which were [TS]

00:33:34   you know which were pretty nice like it [TS]

00:33:37   was basically like here is here is a [TS]

00:33:40   taxidermy to ramshead there's only one [TS]

00:33:44   place it can go over the mantel right [TS]

00:33:47   you don't give you don't take a [TS]

00:33:48   taxidermy man rams head and put it in [TS]

00:33:50   the downstairs bathroom it comes it's [TS]

00:33:52   like one ramshead in 10 assumptions [TS]

00:33:54   yeah right well sure first of all that [TS]

00:33:56   you want to ram set and second that [TS]

00:33:57   you're gonna you're gonna put it up if [TS]

00:33:58   you're gonna put it up right this whole [TS]

00:34:00   chain of dependencies like that gives [TS]

00:34:01   you if i give you a ram said you're [TS]

00:34:03   gonna be moving some shit around [TS]

00:34:04   yeah like Jason fan of the President of [TS]

00:34:06   the United States of America hasn't a [TS]

00:34:08   great number of platinum albums because [TS]

00:34:11   the president the united states of [TS]

00:34:12   america went platinum their their first [TS]

00:34:16   album went platinum in like 50 countries [TS]

00:34:19   or something I know they have let me [TS]

00:34:20   know they're platinum records from [TS]

00:34:22   Uzbekistan [TS]

00:34:23   huh there were multiple multiple [TS]

00:34:25   platinum records for them in australia [TS]

00:34:29   new zealand canada and europe and [TS]

00:34:31   america like and then known that and the [TS]

00:34:33   the new style of that is instead of one [TS]

00:34:36   big vinyl platinum record in a frame [TS]

00:34:39   it's like a frame with five CDs I think [TS]

00:34:43   that you just have to re-authenticate [TS]

00:34:44   with the itunes store you download your [TS]

00:34:46   record up you download your get your war [TS]

00:34:49   you record but so Jason would Jason you [TS]

00:34:53   know he's not somebody that's going to [TS]

00:34:54   put a big platinum record on in his [TS]

00:34:56   living he's got paintings [TS]

00:34:58   yeah he's got a lot of fantastic art a [TS]

00:35:00   great art collection he's not gonna he's [TS]

00:35:01   not going to even just have one of them [TS]

00:35:03   right like the best one I don't know [TS]

00:35:05   what the best one was if you had a [TS]

00:35:07   platinum record from Uzbekistan if I had [TS]

00:35:09   one [TS]

00:35:09   forget it front and center no question [TS]

00:35:12   other and their be the spotlights on it [TS]

00:35:14   but if you wanted to see any of the like [TS]

00:35:18   Jason kept them in the downstairs [TS]

00:35:19   bathroom right because he's like what am [TS]

00:35:22   I gonna do with all these planet record [TS]

00:35:23   and and they weren't all on display [TS]

00:35:25   right it was just like sort of all the [TS]

00:35:27   little put this here and then a couple [TS]

00:35:29   of them in a box [TS]

00:35:30   something there's you know we use one as [TS]

00:35:31   a we put one on the on the coffee table [TS]

00:35:34   and that's in the garage though you know [TS]

00:35:36   the coffee table that's like stacked in [TS]

00:35:38   the garage anyway that's not what you're [TS]

00:35:41   going to do if somebody gives you a [TS]

00:35:42   taxidermied ramshead it's not gonna fit [TS]

00:35:44   in the downstairs bathroom there's one [TS]

00:35:45   spot for and so I gave them the i gave [TS]

00:35:49   the bride and groom this lovely gift and [TS]

00:35:50   it just went away I never heard about it [TS]

00:35:53   again still haven't about it don't know [TS]

00:35:56   where it is it's in the world somewhere [TS]

00:35:57   i'm assuming it's not didn't go [TS]

00:36:00   immediately into the fire [TS]

00:36:02   I it has intrinsic value not just not [TS]

00:36:06   just like friend value it's like a thing [TS]

00:36:08   you could pawn and it feels like the [TS]

00:36:10   kind of gift that lots of families [TS]

00:36:13   actually one of my favorite holiday [TS]

00:36:14   traditions in some families is like the [TS]

00:36:15   the weird gift that gets really gifted [TS]

00:36:18   every year [TS]

00:36:19   mm you run into this cheesecake are the [TS]

00:36:22   three cubed fruit cake with fruit cake [TS]

00:36:24   yeah we had an inflatable hammer in my [TS]

00:36:26   family that went around every year but [TS]

00:36:28   my friend Richard that a quasi-religious [TS]

00:36:30   skipped the season is did you hide it [TS]

00:36:32   under a bushel my friend Richard day I [TS]

00:36:38   don't know how this thing started [TS]

00:36:39   because some kind of ugly gift and [TS]

00:36:40   basically when you're given that gift [TS]

00:36:42   then you have to add something to it [TS]

00:36:45   like hot glue something to it and then [TS]

00:36:46   give it to somebody else the next year [TS]

00:36:48   and so the weirdness accumulates every [TS]

00:36:50   year and it gets weirder and stupider [TS]

00:36:51   every year and I apparently it's a real [TS]

00:36:53   joy of the bucket right family christmas [TS]

00:36:55   is a great idea [TS]

00:36:57   are you gonna see that I bet that you [TS]

00:36:58   know what that might be in Martha [TS]

00:37:00   Stewart or real simple at this point but [TS]

00:37:01   I think that's I think that's a good [TS]

00:37:02   idea as a as a gift idea what you think [TS]

00:37:06   that the Rams Head could be something [TS]

00:37:07   that you are you then maybe it's a [TS]

00:37:09   wedding gift that you keep passing on [TS]

00:37:10   other people [TS]

00:37:11   it was like out of a kind of ad hoc [TS]

00:37:12   monkey's paw that would have been fine [TS]

00:37:14   and fun if they had done that [TS]

00:37:17   yeah did you know I'm about it well [TS]

00:37:19   that's the problem i don't know enough [TS]

00:37:21   about weddings but I get a i get a sense [TS]

00:37:24   that i get a sense from my other from [TS]

00:37:27   all the many faux pas i have committed [TS]

00:37:30   in so many other areas of human life [TS]

00:37:33   yeah um that once you give someone a [TS]

00:37:36   gift you do not it does not come with a [TS]

00:37:40   guarantee [TS]

00:37:41   like a reverse guarantee where I can [TS]

00:37:44   call and find out what they did with it [TS]

00:37:45   like not like saving a child it's not [TS]

00:37:49   like you get a letter with a picture of [TS]

00:37:50   the kid did you get fresh water too [TS]

00:37:54   yeah well or I mean you could write they [TS]

00:37:56   could every year say look here it is [TS]

00:37:58   here's your gift we you know we take it [TS]

00:38:00   every year [TS]

00:38:01   ice fishing with us it's like the mascot [TS]

00:38:04   of our ice fishing trip every year thank [TS]

00:38:06   you so much [TS]

00:38:07   if they don't do that if it's just like [TS]

00:38:10   will never mention this gift again [TS]

00:38:13   mhm um you can't call him five years [TS]

00:38:17   later and say hey just wondering [TS]

00:38:21   remember that super thoughtful gift I [TS]

00:38:24   gave you guys just recently I mean if [TS]

00:38:31   you're not using it [TS]

00:38:33   yeah i mean shit dog get back a lot i [TS]

00:38:37   think it i'll take it back [TS]

00:38:38   uh you know I don't think you can do [TS]

00:38:40   that i don't think that's I don't think [TS]

00:38:43   that's kosher right so it's been a great [TS]

00:38:47   lesson to me in letting go and letting [TS]

00:38:50   god [TS]

00:38:51   mm oh god that's easy as a chance for [TS]

00:38:53   self-discovery [TS]

00:38:55   yeah yeah where i'm like i still i mean [TS]

00:38:57   i'm talking about it right now i still [TS]

00:38:59   sit and go from wonder what I wonder if [TS]

00:39:04   that's just in a box somewhere or ya did [TS]

00:39:07   that get is that what did I get water [TS]

00:39:10   damage in the flooded and they just had [TS]

00:39:13   to toss it i want to say anything I I [TS]

00:39:17   left and I left some stuff at a guy's [TS]

00:39:19   house one time in the great city of [TS]

00:39:21   Minneapolis and it wasn't it was stuff [TS]

00:39:24   that was important to me including some [TS]

00:39:26   journals some journals that I'd [TS]

00:39:29   accidentally left when I decamped rather [TS]

00:39:33   quickly and for a while we were in touch [TS]

00:39:38   with one another and I was like God hey [TS]

00:39:41   gotta get those journals from you [TS]

00:39:43   hey buddy how's it going gotta get those [TS]

00:39:45   journals from you and he's like yeah I [TS]

00:39:47   yeah I got him right here [TS]

00:39:49   you know I'm gonna I'm gonna send them [TS]

00:39:51   on just got to get the [TS]

00:39:53   just got to figure out how the post [TS]

00:39:55   office works yeah I'm great well I can [TS]

00:39:57   anything i can do just let me know just [TS]

00:40:00   should want to get those back [TS]

00:40:02   yep no problem and then one day he said [TS]

00:40:07   uh and it wasn't like he wrote me it was [TS]

00:40:11   that I wrote him and said so what about [TS]

00:40:13   the journals let's revisit the journals [TS]

00:40:15   and he said oh man there was a flood em [TS]

00:40:20   and the journals got wet and they [TS]

00:40:26   weren't really savable [TS]

00:40:27   hmm so I tossed them and I was like what [TS]

00:40:29   will whoa [TS]

00:40:31   like I get the flood part you know [TS]

00:40:35   floods happen but journals dry out too [TS]

00:40:42   like you can dry a journal how and and [TS]

00:40:45   and potentially like there are a lot of [TS]

00:40:47   there's a lot of when you talk about [TS]

00:40:51   journal [TS]

00:40:52   yeah but you know i have somebody who's [TS]

00:40:53   made a lot of lame excuses in life I can [TS]

00:40:56   smell that that's that is a lame excuse [TS]

00:40:58   he thought that was going to be his [TS]

00:40:59   ticket to ride looking although [TS]

00:41:02   everything flowed and so anyway well [TS]

00:41:03   like yeah they're damaging flood end of [TS]

00:41:05   conversation [TS]

00:41:06   yeah and i was like i could if you'd [TS]

00:41:09   sent them wet [TS]

00:41:10   I could I could you know like bake them [TS]

00:41:13   in the oven like it's not the it's not [TS]

00:41:17   the paper i want it's the work mmm yeah [TS]

00:41:20   world's my words gone gone forever you [TS]

00:41:25   know many journals that lost over the [TS]

00:41:26   years too many oh that you've openly and [TS]

00:41:29   you've also had a lot of things stolen [TS]

00:41:31   like you have lost the journal of with [TS]

00:41:33   the stealing one time when you're in [TS]

00:41:34   Europe have lost a few journals from [TS]

00:41:36   stealing had a roommate one time a young [TS]

00:41:41   woman who had a different idea of our [TS]

00:41:45   roommate ship than I did him and when [TS]

00:41:48   she moved out she moved out mad and took [TS]

00:41:52   my journals what like didn't take the [TS]

00:41:57   didn't take my art or whatever didn't [TS]

00:42:00   take my guitar which would have been a [TS]

00:42:03   great country song [TS]

00:42:05   that you know if she'd taken my guitar [TS]

00:42:07   that could be i'd still be dining out [TS]

00:42:09   and take my art she didn't take my [TS]

00:42:12   guitar took out the words that mean the [TS]

00:42:15   world to me not page but the words on [TS]

00:42:17   the page it [TS]

00:42:19   yeah yeah took the journal support our [TS]

00:42:22   troops [TS]

00:42:22   how weird does she still have them what [TS]

00:42:26   he's got into that self-same primary a [TS]

00:42:28   high-school girlfriend whenever I was a [TS]

00:42:30   shitheel and I was often a shitheel she [TS]

00:42:32   would destroy one of my o2 sets one of [TS]

00:42:35   your mixtapes no no usually one of my [TS]

00:42:37   like Columbia House or self purchase [TS]

00:42:39   cassettes but like that that's how I [TS]

00:42:41   lost english settlement for example that [TS]

00:42:43   double LP how did you destroy like pull [TS]

00:42:46   the tape out orgy playgrounds you do I [TS]

00:42:49   totally had it coming [TS]

00:42:50   all but that's I mean that's like each [TS]

00:42:53   pole must be even more gratifying to her [TS]

00:42:56   that's not just like I'm throwing this [TS]

00:42:58   in the garbage i'm not sure i learned my [TS]

00:42:59   lesson as well as I should've just like [TS]

00:43:01   every one of these polls just fucking [TS]

00:43:04   Marlin locking haha ah that's all the [TS]

00:43:08   world is football-shaped just for me to [TS]

00:43:11   kick in space [TS]

00:43:12   I can hear that i can see hear smell [TS]

00:43:14   touch taste [TS]

00:43:16   hey a funny story least some of my house [TS]

00:43:20   and start using it [TS]

00:43:21   this is happening on numerous occasions [TS]

00:43:23   get back my furniture but Wright has an [TS]

00:43:25   excellent name Richard left much was [TS]

00:43:27   burning at the stuff at the place and [TS]

00:43:30   learning about for exactly it's the [TS]

00:43:32   stuff of bits you got the don't call it [TS]

00:43:34   don't call its and its dust it's got the [TS]

00:43:36   playa dust all over it [TS]

00:43:37   so like I used one of his chairs from [TS]

00:43:40   the burning man for a long time so that [TS]

00:43:42   disappeared [TS]

00:43:43   I've used I've used to i still using a [TS]

00:43:45   sleeping bag when would you use good [TS]

00:43:47   until it disappeared because that I left [TS]

00:43:49   it's got a hog works but it's kind of a [TS]

00:43:51   long strange story but I had a chair i [TS]

00:43:53   left it this is this is not a Donovan [TS]

00:43:55   song but I had a chair haha i left it [TS]

00:43:58   somewhere [TS]

00:43:58   it disappeared and i was saying my hair [TS]

00:44:01   and then it came back another time in [TS]

00:44:03   the chair was back but then I lost again [TS]

00:44:07   and there are other agents that might be [TS]

00:44:09   moving the chairs or there's so many [TS]

00:44:11   things I try not to think about too much [TS]

00:44:13   but it's a funny story about this thing [TS]

00:44:14   right here [TS]

00:44:15   my friend my friend Lance walked over to [TS]

00:44:20   my house I don't know if we've been [TS]

00:44:23   drinking to get there the night before [TS]

00:44:25   but we were both really hungover this is [TS]

00:44:28   probably late 1990s 19 anyone he walked [TS]

00:44:32   over to my house and hang out and we [TS]

00:44:35   both had some ibuprofen laying on the [TS]

00:44:36   floor and he had a big cup of coffee cup [TS]

00:44:38   of coffee and he left his coffee cup at [TS]

00:44:41   my house and I am using it right the [TS]

00:44:44   second we're using the coffee cup that [TS]

00:44:47   Lance left at my house 25 years ago wow [TS]

00:44:52   now I you know I nurse this i use this [TS]

00:44:56   everyday this is my office coffee cup at [TS]

00:44:58   this point it's also see photo it's a [TS]

00:45:00   nice big cup it's it's like it's almost [TS]

00:45:02   like a Stein and it's got lots of [TS]

00:45:04   beautiful trees on it and it survived [TS]

00:45:06   all those years is one of the few things [TS]

00:45:08   in my life that hasn't broken I i love [TS]

00:45:12   that story [TS]

00:45:13   thank you but that's just like you you [TS]

00:45:16   maintain that relationship by keeping [TS]

00:45:21   that stuff in play [TS]

00:45:23   yeah i have talked to many years but I [TS]

00:45:25   still enjoy his cup he's a lot of this [TS]

00:45:26   kind of thing we put it in a box and you [TS]

00:45:28   say oh I've got to get this [TS]

00:45:30   no it's not a collectible yeah yeah I [TS]

00:45:33   don't know I've got to get this back to [TS]

00:45:34   him [TS]

00:45:35   oh no no he's never getting this back it [TS]

00:45:37   would be kinda cool like especially like [TS]

00:45:38   a no-go for babies on his deathbed his [TS]

00:45:40   coffee cup back [TS]

00:45:41   yeah yeah sure that's a little [TS]

00:45:42   on-the-nose work that's where it gets [TS]

00:45:44   married me up ringtone there it's not [TS]

00:45:47   like you've ever left anything at my [TS]

00:45:48   house unintentionally because it's a [TS]

00:45:51   it's a very small number of times that [TS]

00:45:53   you've never left your house that's [TS]

00:45:56   that's true but but there have been a [TS]

00:45:58   couple of times where you you loaned me [TS]

00:46:01   some I've loan has lent or gifted you a [TS]

00:46:05   strange array of things who somewhat [TS]

00:46:09   recovered before but I really appreciate [TS]

00:46:11   the fact that you you're so gracious at [TS]

00:46:14   receiving things [TS]

00:46:16   thank you know you really are I mean [TS]

00:46:18   like when I go like oh here's this bag [TS]

00:46:20   that was really expensive that I don't [TS]

00:46:22   like and I lost the strap do you want it [TS]

00:46:24   and you're like you really can capture [TS]

00:46:26   i'll have it [TS]

00:46:28   and then I found the strap and give you [TS]

00:46:29   the strap you did and that bag is a [TS]

00:46:31   great bag that man ack did i tell you [TS]

00:46:34   that i tell you that i found the [TS]

00:46:37   matching bag [TS]

00:46:39   no way it's that was it red ox it's [TS]

00:46:41   right off its a that was the bag on like [TS]

00:46:43   those like learn how to pack one bag [TS]

00:46:45   websites that was the one that was [TS]

00:46:46   recommended and I hated it it was you [TS]

00:46:49   had to carry on your shoulder and was [TS]

00:46:50   like Lou big yeah yeah too big for not [TS]

00:46:53   having wheels or something [TS]

00:46:54   yeah if you're going to pack a small bag [TS]

00:46:55   have the bag be small that's really you [TS]

00:46:57   know what that's a great tip you know [TS]

00:46:59   what I'm saying i do but so I was at a [TS]

00:47:02   thrift store months later and i found [TS]

00:47:04   the the identical red ox bag except blue [TS]

00:47:08   wow that's so cool yeah and it was only [TS]

00:47:11   a dollar that's a that's a costly bag [TS]

00:47:15   yeah and I said Merlin told me this was [TS]

00:47:17   a costly bag it's obviously a costly bag [TS]

00:47:20   by the amount of expense that's evident [TS]

00:47:23   in it in the quality of its manufacturer [TS]

00:47:26   it seems like something that was made in [TS]

00:47:29   America it feels great hearty it's a [TS]

00:47:32   hardy bag it's got a nice got really [TS]

00:47:34   nice zippers on it it's like a the beef [TS]

00:47:36   stew of bags mike is more expensive than [TS]

00:47:37   I remember [TS]

00:47:38   and so I did you know what that's like a [TS]

00:47:40   one of a kind of like a thick satchel em [TS]

00:47:43   like they're like it's called a fix [TS]

00:47:45   actual phone call the mini-boss on my [TS]

00:47:47   god [TS]

00:47:48   anyway i bought the second one and now i [TS]

00:47:50   have a matching set on basically they're [TS]

00:47:53   like I could turn them into motorcycle [TS]

00:47:55   pans if I allowed myself to consider [TS]

00:48:00   riding a motorcycle oh don't do that [TS]

00:48:02   I've taken just recently I've taken [TS]

00:48:06   riding motorcycles out of the can't wait [TS]

00:48:12   to do it any day now file and put it [TS]

00:48:16   into I wonder if I'm ever going to be [TS]

00:48:18   able to revisit that I all really [TS]

00:48:21   interesting [TS]

00:48:22   yeah and I don't like having done it but [TS]

00:48:24   I I just tell you I mean I know I kind [TS]

00:48:26   of don't want to talk about it because I [TS]

00:48:27   worry about you worried about your [TS]

00:48:28   safety but I could I could really see [TS]

00:48:31   you in the motorcycle i could see the [TS]

00:48:33   three motorcycles [TS]

00:48:34   oh no oh I know I and I you know I could [TS]

00:48:37   see me getting three motorcycles too but [TS]

00:48:39   i would need to live somewhere where [TS]

00:48:41   didn't rain all the time all a top like [TS]

00:48:44   the nation's likes steepest most [TS]

00:48:47   difficult hills to traverse mhm like [TS]

00:48:50   it's just this is a stupid town on a [TS]

00:48:52   motorcycle in unless you have one of [TS]

00:48:54   those motorcycles that's like died I [TS]

00:48:58   motorcycle like if i lived in San Diego [TS]

00:49:01   no never it's flat it's dry as flat as [TS]

00:49:04   dry you just get on your motorcycle [TS]

00:49:05   put-put-put you go from place to place [TS]

00:49:07   if you like a Navy SEAL you're here at [TS]

00:49:10   the Navy SEAL basis right out to the [TS]

00:49:11   beach on your on your crotch rocket [TS]

00:49:13   there you go that's exactly right but i [TS]

00:49:15   have a have a friend who was a was a [TS]

00:49:20   loss Angelino motorcyclist who just died [TS]

00:49:25   just a time when a car he's been riding [TS]

00:49:30   motorcycles his whole life he's [TS]

00:49:31   obviously very good at riding motorcycle [TS]

00:49:34   he's not he's not like didn't just hop [TS]

00:49:37   on a motorcycle been writing an email [TS]

00:49:39   way we're 25 years and just car mr. car [TS]

00:49:45   I'm so sorry not a thing that he could [TS]

00:49:47   have been anything about that's what i [TS]

00:49:50   said if your motorcycle you just have to [TS]

00:49:52   assume that nobody sees you you have to [TS]

00:49:55   yeah it already is it was my daughter [TS]

00:49:57   like I said when we look at whatever way [TS]

00:49:59   across the street I would say to her you [TS]

00:50:00   are a motorcycle [TS]

00:50:01   the thing is nobody sees motorcycles [TS]

00:50:03   because they're not the pattern matching [TS]

00:50:05   for driving a car does not account for [TS]

00:50:07   bicycles motorcycles anything it's not [TS]

00:50:09   another car people just to ICU they [TS]

00:50:12   don't see you and the thing is they [TS]

00:50:14   don't even see other cars people are [TS]

00:50:16   crashing into things all the time and if [TS]

00:50:18   he had been in a car this person still [TS]

00:50:21   might have crashed into him [TS]

00:50:22   it's just that he wouldn't have been [TS]

00:50:24   like dismembered you must have to become [TS]

00:50:28   very you know phrase defensive driving [TS]

00:50:32   you must have to become so aware of your [TS]

00:50:35   surroundings you know when you get such [TS]

00:50:37   v square inches of tire on the road at a [TS]

00:50:39   given time and you've got so much [TS]

00:50:42   potential power under you i mean you [TS]

00:50:44   could I mean it's just you know any [TS]

00:50:46   almost any motorcycle you could get on [TS]

00:50:48   and go really fast really quickly if you [TS]

00:50:50   bring a lot you know I'm [TS]

00:50:52   I'm not criticizing and I have we have a [TS]

00:50:54   friend out there who enjoys the show the [TS]

00:50:55   most of guy and so I'm you know I'm not [TS]

00:50:58   riding motorcycles but it must take a [TS]

00:51:00   lot of self-restraint and a lot of [TS]

00:51:01   self-awareness to be safe on a [TS]

00:51:03   motorcycle [TS]

00:51:04   this is my problem on a motorcycle [TS]

00:51:06   because when i get on a motorcycle [TS]

00:51:08   I'm like a super cautious respectful [TS]

00:51:11   driver and then have to learn how to get [TS]

00:51:15   how to do one you can do a motorcycle [TS]

00:51:17   i'll have driven a motorcycle across [TS]

00:51:18   America halfway across America until I [TS]

00:51:21   crashed it [TS]

00:51:22   ok ok let's not let's not focus on the [TS]

00:51:24   crashing probably not liar [TS]

00:51:26   let's talk about let's let's focus on [TS]

00:51:27   that this all the safe driving ID right [TS]

00:51:30   up until i graphed feels like an [TS]

00:51:34   important metaphor for something that's [TS]

00:51:35   been spent a considerable amount of time [TS]

00:51:37   in the hospital and then went to jail [TS]

00:51:39   let's not let's not go through that [TS]

00:51:42   whole chain of events every story [TS]

00:51:44   requires careful editing will head to [TS]

00:51:46   think about the good safe time I spent [TS]

00:51:50   on the moors but I you know I'm a Vespa [TS]

00:51:53   rider all of us until very recently but [TS]

00:51:56   the problem is when i get on a high pass [TS]

00:51:58   a hypo motorcycle one that has this [TS]

00:52:00   power that you're talking about working [TS]

00:52:01   with a flick of a wrist you can go from [TS]

00:52:03   zero to a thousand very very quickly [TS]

00:52:08   surprisingly quickly like shocking to [TS]

00:52:11   myself how quickly it happens I turn [TS]

00:52:15   into that person where someone's in the [TS]

00:52:17   left-turn lane and they're not they [TS]

00:52:21   they're waiting for the traffic to come [TS]

00:52:23   the other direction to make their turn [TS]

00:52:25   someone's in the right lane with their [TS]

00:52:27   blinker on waiting to turn right to do a [TS]

00:52:30   right at the light but there's someone [TS]

00:52:32   in the crosswalk walking and I thread [TS]

00:52:35   the like three-and-a-half feet between [TS]

00:52:39   the bumpers of the two cars at 45 miles [TS]

00:52:43   an hour [TS]

00:52:43   em and with the full knowledge that [TS]

00:52:47   there's someone coming the opposite [TS]

00:52:49   direction with their blinker on about to [TS]

00:52:51   turn right in front of me but you see [TS]

00:52:54   you see that opportunity and it just [TS]

00:52:55   feels like that's John size hole too [TS]

00:52:57   so here we go because I see that the [TS]

00:52:59   people walking across the crosswalk that [TS]

00:53:00   are blocking the guy that's about to [TS]

00:53:02   turn in front of me are still blocking [TS]

00:53:03   him enough that if [TS]

00:53:04   everybody behaves perfectly rational e.m [TS]

00:53:08   there's a slot here for me and what then [TS]

00:53:11   I do it and end my blood goes cold [TS]

00:53:15   I'm like you idiot that is the classics [TS]

00:53:18   situation if one of those people is even [TS]

00:53:22   slightly distracted if one of them [TS]

00:53:24   behave even slightly abnormally which [TS]

00:53:27   everyone does all the time then you are [TS]

00:53:30   a casualty think why did they stop [TS]

00:53:32   moving in the same trajectory that [TS]

00:53:34   you're expecting or they make a little [TS]

00:53:36   micro change and everything so it takes [TS]

00:53:39   micro change because a lot of those are [TS]

00:53:42   that slot isn't three feet yet the slot [TS]

00:53:46   has not opened yet because everybody's [TS]

00:53:48   still slightly in motion your schedule [TS]

00:53:50   to see how your skating with the fuck is [TS]

00:53:51   going to be that's right you see the [TS]

00:53:53   opportunity right you're leading the [TS]

00:53:55   you're here you're in a Sopwith Camel [TS]

00:53:58   you are leading the fucker tribe wing [TS]

00:54:01   and that was a new house brand new [TS]

00:54:04   technology then we can end it away i [TS]

00:54:07   feel like it still is a brand-new [TS]

00:54:08   technology now but that is the thing [TS]

00:54:10   that keep that that gets me back off the [TS]

00:54:12   motorcycle I park the motorcycle and I [TS]

00:54:15   say daddy's not old enough yet to drive [TS]

00:54:18   a motorcycle even though he's 47 years [TS]

00:54:21   old he does not have the good sense that [TS]

00:54:24   God gave a chicken cannot cannot stand [TS]

00:54:28   in a field and look up at the rain until [TS]

00:54:31   he drowns checking the weather so I [TS]

00:54:37   stopped so i stopped and then I spent [TS]

00:54:40   but the thing is that doesn't stop me [TS]

00:54:41   from Step sitting online and saying wow [TS]

00:54:43   that looks cycle boy if I had that [TS]

00:54:46   motorcycle then all of my problems would [TS]

00:54:49   be solved I see the appeal because it's [TS]

00:54:51   not so different from the appeal of a [TS]

00:54:52   bicycle which is just this like this is [TS]

00:54:55   this this little thing that you can get [TS]

00:54:57   lots it or even a skateboard like [TS]

00:54:58   there's little thing that can get me [TS]

00:54:59   lots of places but in that case man [TS]

00:55:02   that's that's part of the American dream [TS]

00:55:03   to a motorcycle [TS]

00:55:04   well yeah it's could I see what you're [TS]

00:55:07   saying about the bicycle but in another [TS]

00:55:08   way it's utterly unlike a bicycle [TS]

00:55:10   because if you are invited to a wedding [TS]

00:55:12   let's say you can I don't know much [TS]

00:55:14   about weddings the ends into that me [TS]

00:55:16   previously stipulated but i'm guessing [TS]

00:55:18   if you're invited to a wedding and you [TS]

00:55:19   ride up to the wedding on a bicycle [TS]

00:55:21   shingling is in your gear and write with [TS]

00:55:27   your little your little flippy hat and [TS]

00:55:29   you're and you're clapping shoes and [TS]

00:55:31   your you're like the wet pants or [TS]

00:55:35   whatever [TS]

00:55:36   Oh like but that's not how you roll or [TS]

00:55:39   maybe like one of those rear view [TS]

00:55:40   mirrors that's clipped to your glasses [TS]

00:55:41   right that's not how you roll up to a [TS]

00:55:43   wedding but if you roll up to a wedding [TS]

00:55:45   on a like a superboss seventies style [TS]

00:55:49   like chopped hardtail panhead [TS]

00:55:56   mm well no I like those words you roll [TS]

00:56:00   up to a wedding it on on one of those in [TS]

00:56:04   a in a tuxedo with some like some bausch [TS]

00:56:10   and lomb like commando sunglasses with [TS]

00:56:16   your with your date on the back with [TS]

00:56:18   your date riding on the back fender [TS]

00:56:20   because you don't even have a passenger [TS]

00:56:21   you paint quite a picture my friend [TS]

00:56:23   you're you're not riding up to that [TS]

00:56:25   wedding on a bicycle who you know now [TS]

00:56:27   right you're right you're absolutely [TS]

00:56:28   right you are riding up to that wedding [TS]

00:56:31   on a carpet of dreams [TS]

00:56:32   oh my goodness on a fucking on a rain on [TS]

00:56:35   a loud rainbow his way you know like a [TS]

00:56:39   rainbow with a bumper sticker that says [TS]

00:56:42   a lot of pipe save lives and then the [TS]

00:56:45   wedding belongs to you write some fried [TS]

00:56:47   everything belongs to you can leave that [TS]

00:56:49   wedding with whatever any problems in [TS]

00:56:51   love but only this show by paul williams [TS]

00:56:53   in this case [TS]

00:56:54   yeah you show up he show up on your gas [TS]

00:56:57   Molly with your with your heavy breaks [TS]

00:56:59   and you're in your passion loam a [TS]

00:57:01   costume [TS]

00:57:02   yeah and then all of a sudden you're [TS]

00:57:04   like Bugsy mala and the bride's thinking [TS]

00:57:07   man I sit on that tailpipe [TS]

00:57:09   hell yes LOL the tailpipe is wrapped in [TS]

00:57:12   some is wrapped in like fabric tape [TS]

00:57:15   that's your gift to her because boom [TS]

00:57:17   pumping yeah right your gift to that [TS]

00:57:19   wedding is that you came [TS]

00:57:21   mmm [TS]

00:57:21   didn't know so I I just feel like but I [TS]

00:57:26   had to step I had to step back from that [TS]

00:57:28   and then of course the other flip the [TS]

00:57:30   other motorcycle is the is the tsunami [TS]

00:57:34   motorcycle the apocalypse motorcycle [TS]

00:57:36   while we're doing that well let's say [TS]

00:57:39   you're living in long beach california [TS]

00:57:41   or gearhart or again or long beach [TS]

00:57:45   Washington every every state has a long [TS]

00:57:48   beach always writes like a Springfield [TS]

00:57:50   it's like sprinkles or at least every [TS]

00:57:53   beach and on the west coast for every [TS]

00:57:55   state in the west coast when there are [TS]

00:57:56   only three they each have a long beach [TS]

00:57:58   i'm guessing that's always be more [TS]

00:58:00   simply should be five all of oregon is a [TS]

00:58:02   long beach who is just one big language [TS]

00:58:05   okay but i want to live I want to have a [TS]

00:58:10   house in gearhart oregon or down by uh [TS]

00:58:17   you know down by cannon beach want to [TS]

00:58:21   have a house right because nice and I [TS]

00:58:24   don't I'm I don't want to talk about it [TS]

00:58:25   too much on this podcast because i don't [TS]

00:58:27   want other people that go there no [TS]

00:58:29   looky-loos gonna be saying well maybe I [TS]

00:58:31   should get into that vertical yeah like [TS]

00:58:32   let's get down to that lets go down to [TS]

00:58:34   the oregon coast and get ourselves a [TS]

00:58:36   house and for the ll the middle class [TS]

00:58:38   white people come in really well that's [TS]

00:58:40   already happened but now for Portland is [TS]

00:58:42   a small town relative to other cities [TS]

00:58:45   and the number of people that the number [TS]

00:58:48   of people that Portland can the number [TS]

00:58:50   of likes poor people that Portland can [TS]

00:58:53   actually put out into the world to ruin [TS]

00:58:55   everything [TS]

00:58:56   it's like a lot fewer people like Boston [TS]

00:58:59   every day is just sending out spores [TS]

00:59:02   that are just ruining things for other [TS]

00:59:05   people and this darkness race start with [TS]

00:59:07   a larger number of people right that's [TS]

00:59:08   right that's right there bear in the [TS]

00:59:10   process right now of ruining western [TS]

00:59:13   Massachusetts which was ruined by a [TS]

00:59:15   previous generation in a different [TS]

00:59:17   direction right like the 3d at the trip [TS]

00:59:20   the the generation in western [TS]

00:59:22   Massachusetts that ruined it by focusing [TS]

00:59:24   on manufacturing and doing bad business [TS]

00:59:27   and turning all those into abandoned [TS]

00:59:29   factory towns they were bad [TS]

00:59:31   did John Hodgman have any role in this [TS]

00:59:34   well he's certainly a pioneer country of [TS]

00:59:37   the of the next generation of runners [TS]

00:59:39   who were the the early middle-aged you [TS]

00:59:43   know like affluent middle-class people [TS]

00:59:46   who are now going out to western [TS]

00:59:48   Massachusetts and buying old manor [TS]

00:59:50   houses and turning them into sex tens or [TS]

00:59:53   something all the people all the people [TS]

00:59:54   that used to be that used to be in [TS]

00:59:56   Dinosaur Jr who are now living [TS]

00:59:56   Dinosaur Jr who are now living [TS]

01:00:00   and you know on on 50 acres gamer but i [TS]

01:00:05   do not want i do not want any more [TS]

01:00:08   people my age who currently live in [TS]

01:00:12   portland or seattle to go out to a [TS]

01:00:16   cannon beach and make it any harder to [TS]

01:00:18   live there [TS]

01:00:19   ok but if you do live there particularly [TS]

01:00:22   if you live in in gear harder seaside or [TS]

01:00:24   something like that and you hear those [TS]

01:00:26   tsunami sirens which are indicating one [TS]

01:00:32   of two things either there was a giant [TS]

01:00:34   giant giant earthquake in japan and you [TS]

01:00:38   have like my don't know how many hours [TS]

01:00:40   but like a significant number of hours [TS]

01:00:42   while that wave goes all the way across [TS]

01:00:45   the ocean or there was just a earthquake [TS]

01:00:50   on the Pacific plate right there [TS]

01:00:55   portese and it's actually catch a break [TS]

01:00:57   man [TS]

01:00:58   newzealand others a big ones like an [TS]

01:01:00   eight-point something new zealand [TS]

01:01:01   alright because New Zealand is a young [TS]

01:01:03   young country it's just that was a [TS]

01:01:05   terrible earthquake nothing about me but [TS]

01:01:08   like right slick with a day or two after [TS]

01:01:10   we've flown out of this is terrible [TS]

01:01:12   earthquake there so awful common [TS]

01:01:15   wonderful country they don't deserve [TS]

01:01:16   earthquakes so I some of our new zealand [TS]

01:01:19   listeners who are among our best [TS]

01:01:21   listeners i love that country so much [TS]

01:01:24   they are right now dealing with the [TS]

01:01:26   dealing with earthquake aftermath [TS]

01:01:28   yeah but the nice thing about New [TS]

01:01:30   Zealand of course is that if you leave [TS]

01:01:32   the water if you leave the coast and [TS]

01:01:35   head inland you go uphill pretty fast [TS]

01:01:37   right like New Zealand's not a swampy [TS]

01:01:40   country em right here you get the the [TS]

01:01:43   secret to getting away from a a an ocean [TS]

01:01:46   wave is to go up ocean wave right okay [TS]

01:01:49   yeah right here comes ocean wave who [TS]

01:01:51   head up finally most up place you can be [TS]

01:01:55   and go there okay if you're at the [TS]

01:01:57   nearest up place is like a tower made [TS]

01:02:00   out of toothpicks that somebody made for [TS]

01:02:01   a science fair that's not enough [TS]

01:02:04   ok go if you can find a little up land [TS]

01:02:08   go up land but if you're on the Oregon [TS]

01:02:10   coast the up land is John [TS]

01:02:12   just far enough away you can see it but [TS]

01:02:17   you can't run to it so so so how do you [TS]

01:02:22   how do you decide how to proceed in the [TS]

01:02:25   event you wanted to get some kind of [TS]

01:02:28   organ beachfront property how what's [TS]

01:02:32   your thought process for deciding so [TS]

01:02:34   here to do about that [TS]

01:02:35   here's what I'm assuming yeah you're [TS]

01:02:38   buying your organ coast property you [TS]

01:02:41   already have a vintage four-by-four [TS]

01:02:44   because that's one of the first things [TS]

01:02:46   you should get em I vintage four-by-four [TS]

01:02:50   that's like that's like a long time [TS]

01:02:53   before you're thinking about a beach [TS]

01:02:54   house but when you get the beach house [TS]

01:02:58   you realize my vintage four-by-four is [TS]

01:03:01   just exactly like everybody else's [TS]

01:03:04   vintage four-by-four out here there's [TS]

01:03:06   only one Road out of town and it's gonna [TS]

01:03:10   be it's gonna be completely jammed with [TS]

01:03:13   vintage four by fours and you're done [TS]

01:03:15   you know if you like pile everybody in [TS]

01:03:18   the vintage four-by-four and say we're [TS]

01:03:19   headed to the hills [TS]

01:03:21   no you died in a traffic jam so what you [TS]

01:03:25   need is to stay is the greater [TS]

01:03:27   four-by-four theory that's right exactly [TS]

01:03:30   right [TS]

01:03:30   what you need is two high-powered enduro [TS]

01:03:33   motorcycles their gassed up and ready to [TS]

01:03:37   go with Swift side you know that would [TS]

01:03:40   like hardcase side bag and see your [TS]

01:03:43   hacking system a little bit [TS]

01:03:44   that's right who and you and whoever [TS]

01:03:47   you're with [TS]

01:03:47   whether it be your spouse or significant [TS]

01:03:50   other you have both practiced this where [TS]

01:03:53   you run out to your covered secret [TS]

01:03:57   garage hop on motorcycles brain bomb and [TS]

01:04:01   then you're off and you are using the [TS]

01:04:04   roads only as much as net and needed but [TS]

01:04:08   you have a route that you can do if the [TS]

01:04:12   roads are all jammed full of you for her [TS]

01:04:14   status is a bug out and bug let's bug [TS]

01:04:17   out we've rehearsed this right now we [TS]

01:04:19   don't have to we don't have to that we [TS]

01:04:21   don't have enough gear to survive for 40 [TS]

01:04:24   days because a life I've further than [TS]

01:04:26   you that's right out riding the tiger [TS]

01:04:28   all we have to do is get all we have to [TS]

01:04:31   do is close the distance between us and [TS]

01:04:33   five miles from here like as fast as we [TS]

01:04:37   can [TS]

01:04:38   Oh on the assumption that everybody else [TS]

01:04:40   is going to be trying to do that at the [TS]

01:04:41   same time but they're not going to have [TS]

01:04:42   these high-powered motorcycles who and [TS]

01:04:45   then once you get there you watch the [TS]

01:04:46   waves come in you feel [TS]

01:04:48   yeah i mean obviously you're not [TS]

01:04:49   gloating you feel bad for everyone sure [TS]

01:04:51   and then the wave goes out east you [TS]

01:04:53   don't go back immediately because [TS]

01:04:55   there's going to be that next wave [TS]

01:04:56   second wave like wave to point out [TS]

01:05:01   mhm but then when the waves come down [TS]

01:05:03   and everything in and everything goes [TS]

01:05:05   back to just being like a big huge [TS]

01:05:08   burning garbage heap who like you've got [TS]

01:05:10   your motorcycle yet in the saddlebags [TS]

01:05:12   you had presumably a key to your normal [TS]

01:05:14   house and some rain jackets or whatever [TS]

01:05:17   and you're you're like puce arrived so [TS]

01:05:19   also you have to teach your kids to grab [TS]

01:05:21   onto the back like little baby monkeys [TS]

01:05:23   to grab onto the back of your jacket and [TS]

01:05:26   hold on for dear life like everybody's [TS]

01:05:28   gotta know what to do and these are not [TS]

01:05:30   the kinds of decisions you you are [TS]

01:05:32   wanted to be thinking about for the [TS]

01:05:34   first time on bug-out day sure when you [TS]

01:05:36   hear the tsunami silent sirens that is [TS]

01:05:38   not the time to go to the motorcycle [TS]

01:05:40   store and start shopping from mhm but [TS]

01:05:44   these motorcycles are expensive and so [TS]

01:05:47   it's it would be pretty weird to buy [TS]

01:05:50   them and just keep them as tsunami [TS]

01:05:52   motorcycles right you'd also want a ride [TS]

01:05:55   or you're not Batman right right i mean [TS]

01:05:58   i'm going to counseling specific [TS]

01:06:00   motorcycles for spits specific cases [TS]

01:06:01   smelling a cummerbund right right [TS]

01:06:04   although all you need is one cumberbund [TS]

01:06:06   yeah is that right yeah just get a black [TS]

01:06:09   satin cumber bun that's right so you got [TS]

01:06:12   to avoid the jokey like do you want a [TS]

01:06:14   plat or something don't do don't ok [TS]

01:06:16   don't if you're if you are in a wedding [TS]

01:06:18   party and year and you have a ties and [TS]

01:06:22   comer buns that match one another here [TS]

01:06:24   you're already in the wrong wedding [TS]

01:06:27   party you should not be friends with [TS]

01:06:29   those people wish people could bring us [TS]

01:06:32   into help with those kinds of things we [TS]

01:06:33   get we can help you see now in my case [TS]

01:06:35   I've been to a lot of weddings John's [TS]

01:06:36   officiate a bunch of wedding present [TS]

01:06:38   in too many I think we could bring a [TS]

01:06:39   really fresh out of somebody's wedding [TS]

01:06:40   and we could probably save you some [TS]

01:06:42   money [TS]

01:06:43   well yeah absolutely but I mean that's [TS]

01:06:46   the craziest thing about weddings that I [TS]

01:06:48   hear about which is we tried to do this [TS]

01:06:51   a different way we try to have fun with [TS]

01:06:53   our wedding and the further we got into [TS]

01:06:55   having a wedding we realized that [TS]

01:06:56   there's an industry of people who are [TS]

01:06:58   trying to tell you can't have fun you [TS]

01:06:59   just have to do it a certain way and [TS]

01:07:02   that way cost it's like it's like my mom [TS]

01:07:05   used to say about going to the hardware [TS]

01:07:06   store down by the yacht club she said [TS]

01:07:10   all the stuff at the hardware store [TS]

01:07:12   that's in town advice one-quarter of [TS]

01:07:17   this the price of the same exact thing [TS]

01:07:19   at the hardware store by the by your [TS]

01:07:21   sunscreen before you get to the resort [TS]

01:07:23   because if you buy it in that little [TS]

01:07:26   that little tumble down fish shack whole [TS]

01:07:28   brother is what you say if you say hey [TS]

01:07:32   we'd like to rent your event space [TS]

01:07:33   because we are we want to have a big [TS]

01:07:36   paintball expo we want to we want to [TS]

01:07:39   fill this place with smoke machines and [TS]

01:07:40   play laser tag yeah they're going to [TS]

01:07:42   quote you a price [TS]

01:07:43   mm oh it's $15 to run our place for a [TS]

01:07:46   smoke machine laser tag do not mention [TS]

01:07:48   you want to paintball wedding because [TS]

01:07:49   that word order of magnitude [TS]

01:07:52   that's right appear like we're gonna [TS]

01:07:53   fill this place with smoke machines and [TS]

01:07:54   have alleged attack wedding whoa hello [TS]

01:07:57   linking seven grand but the problem is [TS]

01:08:02   you can't fake them out because people [TS]

01:08:04   smell weddings so you're like hey we're [TS]

01:08:06   just having a big laser part but AG [TS]

01:08:07   party here when I find it I trying to [TS]

01:08:10   tell you're trying to convince your [TS]

01:08:11   plumber the the problem is not a big [TS]

01:08:12   deal before they come out and taking [TS]

01:08:14   you're going to pay last because of that [TS]

01:08:15   you know they do this everyday lives out [TS]

01:08:18   with these these people pikers this [TS]

01:08:21   isn't my first rodeo so and and it and [TS]

01:08:25   every case they're like thursday we're [TS]

01:08:27   gonna have value is this your first day [TS]

01:08:29   like I would think that at your wedding [TS]

01:08:32   knowing you [TS]

01:08:33   yeah that you would have tried to have [TS]

01:08:35   it catered by subway [TS]

01:08:37   mm-hmm eyes at my thesis defense really [TS]

01:08:41   baccalaureate yeah I had a we brought in [TS]

01:08:44   a like 40 pieces of popeyes I'm gonna be [TS]

01:08:46   honest with you some people were not [TS]

01:08:47   there just to hear about cultural [TS]

01:08:48   criticism TV I [TS]

01:08:49   I think some people were therefore for a [TS]

01:08:51   spicy breast so you made your thesis [TS]

01:08:54   defense an event that people can people [TS]

01:08:57   came and like cocktail party at then my [TS]

01:08:59   school every baccalaureate defense is a [TS]

01:09:01   public event anybody can come see [TS]

01:09:03   icic boy there's some tough ones i want [TS]

01:09:06   my name is easy the first thanksgiving i [TS]

01:09:10   ever spent away from home [TS]

01:09:11   I got a bucket of kentucky fried chicken [TS]

01:09:13   and went to a pro wrestling match [TS]

01:09:15   wow that was in America that was my [TS]

01:09:18   thesis defense and that again [TS]

01:09:20   minneapolis I don't know why I keep [TS]

01:09:22   coming back to Minneapolis mm let's talk [TS]

01:09:25   about the election you mean yeah sure i [TS]

01:09:29   don't know maybe a couple people been [TS]

01:09:31   fast-forwarding through like an hour in [TS]

01:09:33   nine minutes to get to this listening to [TS]

01:09:37   it on forex don't belittle election [TS]

01:09:42   yeah that you know i just ate everybody [TS]

01:09:44   I'm grateful you listen to the show but [TS]

01:09:46   when you send your plot its for how much [TS]

01:09:47   you enjoy the whole show when a third of [TS]

01:09:50   the time that the show takes to listen [TS]

01:09:52   to has passed [TS]

01:09:54   given the fear people listen to show [TS]

01:09:56   very quickly you and me did not i don't [TS]

01:09:59   listen to anything found on weed almost [TS]

01:10:01   a podcast but I always listen at you [TS]

01:10:03   know a reasonable speed but some people [TS]

01:10:06   they listen to show very quickly that's [TS]

01:10:07   how they get through the backlog that's [TS]

01:10:08   how to get through so many shows a [TS]

01:10:11   really I I couldn't imagine listening to [TS]

01:10:15   this program on fast speed because of [TS]

01:10:18   how important some of the pregnant [TS]

01:10:21   pauses are mm right like there are a lot [TS]

01:10:24   of times when you let a beat go by and [TS]

01:10:28   the beat is as eloquent as anything [TS]

01:10:30   anything you say like beat the beat that [TS]

01:10:34   tells us it beat ya and and those beats [TS]

01:10:38   i think are lost [TS]

01:10:40   if you have to change the tempo [TS]

01:10:42   obviously that interview that hourglass [TS]

01:10:44   did with Mike Daisey after it was [TS]

01:10:48   revealed that Mikey's expose of the [TS]

01:10:51   Apple factors in China was not you know [TS]

01:10:53   one person copacetic back wise and [TS]

01:10:55   there's one point in that interview when [TS]

01:10:58   he asks mike daisey something and [TS]

01:11:02   there's a positive you know you know how [TS]

01:11:03   it is with these kinds of things it felt [TS]

01:11:05   like it was two minutes long [TS]

01:11:06   it was probably like eight seconds like [TS]

01:11:08   if you didn't hear that pause you didn't [TS]

01:11:10   really hear that interview sure you [TS]

01:11:11   missed the whole thing [TS]

01:11:13   it's like Sean always says you know [TS]

01:11:14   sometimes the restaurant as important as [TS]

01:11:15   the notes the risks right too many [TS]

01:11:18   directions the exact but I don't know [TS]

01:11:19   shawn says that by feeling we should [TS]

01:11:21   give him some credit [TS]

01:11:22   shawn says too many notes for the ear to [TS]

01:11:23   hear em that's what shawn says nobody [TS]

01:11:27   knows for the years is that Leopold [TS]

01:11:29   what's-his-name huh [TS]

01:11:31   Jeffrey Jeffrey Jones played him a place [TS]

01:11:34   on Nelson they play Shawn Nelson in that [TS]

01:11:35   movie with the ciliary yeah too many [TS]

01:11:38   notes too many times for the UT i don't [TS]

01:11:40   know I idea i don't listen to this [TS]

01:11:43   program on anything other than the speed [TS]

01:11:44   that we recorded because that's one of [TS]

01:11:47   the tenants of it otherwise your band is [TS]

01:11:49   David recent say you're banned from the [TS]

01:11:50   show okay I don't I just I feel like I [TS]

01:11:53   don't at this moment have a lot to say [TS]

01:11:57   but I feel like our listeners probably [TS]

01:12:00   are looking forward to what you have to [TS]

01:12:05   say and I I don't know if you talked [TS]

01:12:06   about Sudan I don't think he did [TS]

01:12:08   did you add and also I mean Dan started [TS]

01:12:12   the the podcast and it was like what the [TS]

01:12:15   day after the election two days later [TS]

01:12:17   huh [TS]

01:12:18   and he was like boy you know I sure did [TS]

01:12:21   have a lot of open this morning or [TS]

01:12:23   whatever he was like let's talk about [TS]

01:12:24   dinosaurs and we got about this far into [TS]

01:12:27   the show an hour so when I was like ten [TS]

01:12:29   are you sincerely going to try and not [TS]

01:12:31   talk about the election you like 24 [TS]

01:12:34   hours after the election and he was like [TS]

01:12:36   basically like what election [TS]

01:12:38   I mean it went and it was and it seemed [TS]

01:12:40   like that that's a good summer is almost [TS]

01:12:42   every conversation then thats it was it [TS]

01:12:44   was pretty brilliant though I like i sat [TS]

01:12:47   on the toadstool of it was smoking my [TS]

01:12:50   hookah and said wow like Nam estates and [TS]

01:12:56   say yeah and we just kept talking about [TS]

01:12:59   a herb heart pill boxes and and like [TS]

01:13:03   finger feel like a finger time [TS]

01:13:06   serenity now and and so what that did [TS]

01:13:10   was it kind of put me in a put me in a [TS]

01:13:12   place where i was like huh [TS]

01:13:14   do I have a hot take that is worth a [TS]

01:13:17   good goddamn and oh and that can't wait [TS]

01:13:21   do I have a hot take the can't wait [TS]

01:13:24   yeah because I for the last week i have [TS]

01:13:27   logged onto the internet every day i [TS]

01:13:29   have read up just threw a few things and [TS]

01:13:34   have just not like slammed my computer [TS]

01:13:37   shut just very slowly shut my computer [TS]

01:13:39   and said this is not there [TS]

01:13:42   this is not helping listening to people [TS]

01:13:46   yell at each other is not helping [TS]

01:13:47   listening to people blame each other is [TS]

01:13:49   not helping and listening to people tell [TS]

01:13:53   me and other people what is what reality [TS]

01:13:57   is or what our obligation is ornate and [TS]

01:14:00   how I should feel how you should feel [TS]

01:14:02   how you shouldn't feel is a big thing [TS]

01:14:05   how your how you're not entitled to feel [TS]

01:14:07   how you're not entitled to feel as a [TS]

01:14:09   thing how you need to be quiet or how [TS]

01:14:12   you don't need to be quiet [TS]

01:14:14   how you like you are absolutely monish [TS]

01:14:16   22 never be quiet again or that your [TS]

01:14:19   voice isn't needed right now because you [TS]

01:14:22   are part of the problem and so you [TS]

01:14:23   absolutely should shut up like every [TS]

01:14:26   single fame has not helped and so I've [TS]

01:14:30   been doing chores [TS]

01:14:32   I've been eating cereal I've been taking [TS]

01:14:36   care of my kid and and doing the things [TS]

01:14:41   that are right in front of me with the [TS]

01:14:44   kind of like with the quietude of [TS]

01:14:49   knowing that I am NOT like my online [TS]

01:14:53   participation is not needed right and [TS]

01:14:57   and nothing's going to change as a [TS]

01:15:01   result of it right now i will rejoin [TS]

01:15:04   this conversation in a little bit I it's [TS]

01:15:08   not that I have been thinking about it [TS]

01:15:09   but like the idea I didn't end it [TS]

01:15:13   immediately afterwards I had so many hot [TS]

01:15:17   takes my hand hot takes it was hot takes [TS]

01:15:20   all the way down and I had lectures I [TS]

01:15:24   was going to give about it and I have [TS]

01:15:26   you know like I i was making powerpoints [TS]

01:15:28   in my mind [TS]

01:15:30   am I don't know how to make a powerpoint [TS]

01:15:31   yeah you don't need to know in your mind [TS]

01:15:33   you can always do a tutorial later [TS]

01:15:35   uh-huh right i could I just go on [TS]

01:15:38   youtube and learn to play the harmonica [TS]

01:15:40   slide but I but you know maybe it was [TS]

01:15:45   the maybe it was like the Buddha that [TS]

01:15:50   like it was Dan Buddha German who maybe [TS]

01:15:56   realize that looks like it is here that [TS]

01:15:58   to say what electric what was there an [TS]

01:16:02   election was like yeah right right yeah [TS]

01:16:07   I know just done i did a we were talking [TS]

01:16:12   about whether we should do a show last [TS]

01:16:14   week and asked if you wanted to and then [TS]

01:16:16   in that interregnum i had scheduled the [TS]

01:16:18   show with my friend John Gruber so I've [TS]

01:16:21   already talked for two hours about how i [TS]

01:16:22   feel about what happened with feelings [TS]

01:16:25   and and people like the right people [TS]

01:16:28   were were grateful on [TS]

01:16:31   yes I got teary from what some people [TS]

01:16:33   said it was like you know yeah whatever [TS]

01:16:35   like a I'm another white guy but like in [TS]

01:16:38   her this is her my heart a lot but I so [TS]

01:16:42   anyway I just want to say like [TS]

01:16:43   that'sthat's a place where i have [TS]

01:16:44   discussed that it's not so much to [TS]

01:16:45   encourage you to listen but to like that [TS]

01:16:47   gave me a little bit of like getting [TS]

01:16:50   through the first part which is just the [TS]

01:16:51   feelings and I i would like to say I'm [TS]

01:16:56   further along than that of six days [TS]

01:16:58   later and I'm still have so many [TS]

01:17:01   conflicting things going on right now [TS]

01:17:02   one of those conflicting things is I [TS]

01:17:04   still haven't gotten past the feelings [TS]

01:17:06   part and I and so i'm not i don't i'm [TS]

01:17:10   not really not trying to criticize [TS]

01:17:11   anybody's strong feelings that aren't [TS]

01:17:14   mine but like there's this part of me [TS]

01:17:17   that says I need to sit with this for a [TS]

01:17:19   little while and I understand the app I [TS]

01:17:24   feel like I absolutely understand like [TS]

01:17:26   no it's time to get to work i do [TS]

01:17:28   understand that and I respect that and [TS]

01:17:30   like I subscribe to new york times [TS]

01:17:31   finally yesterday like I know it's not a [TS]

01:17:33   lot but I'm what I'm trying to say is [TS]

01:17:34   like him for myself like maybe maybe [TS]

01:17:36   this is something we should take a [TS]

01:17:37   little bit more time with [TS]

01:17:39   because i don't think we need more hot [TS]

01:17:41   takes right now and I I help people take [TS]

01:17:46   this in the spirit its intended but like [TS]

01:17:48   there is this impulse in me that I can [TS]

01:17:52   locate as feeling very similar to an [TS]

01:17:54   impulse that I would feel at a time when [TS]

01:17:57   that say i was in college and got very [TS]

01:17:59   upset about something happening [TS]

01:18:01   happening in the community or politics [TS]

01:18:02   and I'm trying to trying to set that [TS]

01:18:07   feeling aside and leave it right [TS]

01:18:09   I'm trying to put that aside for just a [TS]

01:18:10   little while until i still figure out a [TS]

01:18:13   little bit more about the feelings part [TS]

01:18:14   which I know is a very privileged place [TS]

01:18:16   to be but like I don't know what i could [TS]

01:18:19   say right now that would make a huge [TS]

01:18:22   difference [TS]

01:18:24   I'm not ready to try and say anything [TS]

01:18:26   intelligent yet no and I'm not saying [TS]

01:18:29   you shouldn't but like for myself it's [TS]

01:18:31   just I'm not ready for the fray yet and [TS]

01:18:34   I that probably makes me less of a [TS]

01:18:38   citizen I might look back at this this [TS]

01:18:41   week and say well I wonder how much [TS]

01:18:43   opportunity lost by not jumping onto [TS]

01:18:45   something I I feel like I'm just not [TS]

01:18:47   ready to do that yet I feel like the [TS]

01:18:49   answer is none like a nun and and partly [TS]

01:18:53   for myself it is that like I have very [TS]

01:18:57   strong feelings obviously like as it was [TS]

01:19:00   unfolding I was I had no idea that I [TS]

01:19:04   would feel that strongly but i was wrong [TS]

01:19:09   i was i was profoundly wrong about a lot [TS]

01:19:13   of things might take leading up to it [TS]

01:19:16   was wrong [TS]

01:19:18   um and and a lot of people were wrong [TS]

01:19:25   most people were wrong no that's one of [TS]

01:19:29   those rare occasions where we see [TS]

01:19:31   everybody was wrong [TS]

01:19:32   we don't mean everybody was wrong on one [TS]

01:19:34   quote unquote side there's almost nobody [TS]

01:19:36   that was right [TS]

01:19:37   nobody was right nobody and you know it [TS]

01:19:39   for example like you know people are [TS]

01:19:40   really hard on 538 right now but one [TS]

01:19:42   thing that I think is interesting about [TS]

01:19:43   what 538 says they're trying to show you [TS]

01:19:45   first of all these are not our polls [TS]

01:19:47   these other people's polls but I'm [TS]

01:19:48   really interesting that idea of like [TS]

01:19:50   here's the polls and here's how [TS]

01:19:52   all confident we are in the polls it's [TS]

01:19:54   not just that we saw and so stepping [TS]

01:19:56   away from that for a minute [TS]

01:19:58   it's that we saw the world in this [TS]

01:19:59   certain way and 24 myself to a like [TS]

01:20:02   fairly high 80 percent-plus level of [TS]

01:20:04   certainty that I was seeing something [TS]

01:20:05   that was true or feeling something that [TS]

01:20:07   was true right it's not part of it right [TS]

01:20:08   right there was not well I was not I was [TS]

01:20:10   not actually fought with self-doubt [TS]

01:20:11   until somewhere around 5 30 or six on [TS]

01:20:14   Tuesday [TS]

01:20:15   yeah i mean i was doing a show that [TS]

01:20:16   night and we were backstage did you get [TS]

01:20:19   through with the show with the backstage [TS]

01:20:21   like eating the little petty fours [TS]

01:20:24   yeah and tuning our guitars and [TS]

01:20:26   imagining that we were about to do a [TS]

01:20:29   show that was full of triumph and like [TS]

01:20:31   our first female president and [TS]

01:20:34   immediately before we walked on stage we [TS]

01:20:36   all like looked at our phones to see [TS]

01:20:38   what was going on and 538 right in front [TS]

01:20:41   of our eyes went from eighty-five [TS]

01:20:43   percent certainty that that mrs. Clinton [TS]

01:20:47   would be elected secretary clinton to [TS]

01:20:50   sixty-five percent to 51-percent and we [TS]

01:20:54   were like say what [TS]

01:20:55   and then we took the stage and onstage [TS]

01:20:59   all of us were like stunned [TS]

01:21:02   deer-in-the-headlights level of stunned [TS]

01:21:04   and I was hosting the show where three [TS]

01:21:07   of us sitting on stage with guitars and [TS]

01:21:09   then there was a poet and then a woman [TS]

01:21:12   painting while we were doing the show it [TS]

01:21:14   was it was this kind of show and I said [TS]

01:21:17   to the audience look uh things are not [TS]

01:21:20   things are changing very rapidly i would [TS]

01:21:22   like to say everyone turned their phone [TS]

01:21:24   off and let's just be in the room [TS]

01:21:25   together for two and a half hours [TS]

01:21:27   listening to music and and being part of [TS]

01:21:30   art and I everybody agreed and we just [TS]

01:21:35   sat in like it didn't banish the [TS]

01:21:39   feelings but I had the I and my at and [TS]

01:21:42   the audience and my fellow musicians had [TS]

01:21:45   two more hours of just listening to one [TS]

01:21:48   another play and enjoying like [TS]

01:21:50   friendship in and guitar did you get [TS]

01:21:54   that standing next to the band playing [TS]

01:21:56   nearer my God to thee as the up but but [TS]

01:22:01   then when we rejoined the world it like [TS]

01:22:04   fait accompli right [TS]

01:22:05   it happened and we didn't have to sit [TS]

01:22:07   there for that two-and-a-half hours like [TS]

01:22:09   watching everything crumble we just were [TS]

01:22:13   like playing our guitars and then we [TS]

01:22:15   came back we landed on the earth again [TS]

01:22:16   we're like well guess what [TS]

01:22:19   like everything is different but here's [TS]

01:22:22   the here's my feeling right is that I [TS]

01:22:24   was wrong [TS]

01:22:25   everybody was wrong and not just wrong [TS]

01:22:29   about what you know not not just wrong [TS]

01:22:31   by 10 degrees but like wrong about what [TS]

01:22:35   is going on and immediately what I saw [TS]

01:22:41   was all these people that were wrong [TS]

01:22:44   thinking that they're wrongness was an [TS]

01:22:47   anomaly and now they were right again [TS]

01:22:49   about everything they could begin [TS]

01:22:51   immediately to say what needed to be [TS]

01:22:53   done to say what other people needed to [TS]

01:22:56   do to start talking about what needed to [TS]

01:23:01   be done immediately that and if we [TS]

01:23:02   didn't do it we were on the wrong side [TS]

01:23:04   of history talking about who was who [TS]

01:23:07   how how whether you should wear a safety [TS]

01:23:11   pin or shouldn't whether you should [TS]

01:23:13   organize or not whether you should be in [TS]

01:23:16   the streets or not whether everybody was [TS]

01:23:18   right again instantly and for me I said [TS]

01:23:24   my reaction was I was fucking wrong and [TS]

01:23:29   I do not presume to be immediately write [TS]

01:23:31   about any maybe we need to just be wrong [TS]

01:23:34   for a little while like sit on your [TS]

01:23:36   fucking wrong and think about how wrong [TS]

01:23:40   you were and how that wrongness [TS]

01:23:43   reverberates through your other certain [TS]

01:23:46   certitudes and that isn't I mean that is [TS]

01:23:50   healthy and that is that will affect [TS]

01:23:54   what you do next which hopefully is is [TS]

01:23:59   different [TS]

01:24:00   you don't just come back into a thing [TS]

01:24:02   and say well I was right about [TS]

01:24:03   everything and this l and this election [TS]

01:24:07   which I was which it turns out I was [TS]

01:24:09   completely wrong about just confirms how [TS]

01:24:12   right I was [TS]

01:24:12   which is a which is a fallacy I've seen [TS]

01:24:18   repeated a thousand times like right up [TS]

01:24:21   until this election i was saying all [TS]

01:24:22   these things that I was confident I was [TS]

01:24:23   right in this happened negating [TS]

01:24:26   everything and it proves how right I was [TS]

01:24:28   little and it turned out differently in [TS]

01:24:30   the other side did that same thing you [TS]

01:24:31   tear them apart for not being realistic [TS]

01:24:33   at well as everything how could you not [TS]

01:24:35   accept these results and then this [TS]

01:24:37   business about like do you have you [TS]

01:24:39   cannot have any sympathy or consider the [TS]

01:24:43   other side because that empowers them or [TS]

01:24:47   that normalizes them and you know the [TS]

01:24:50   fact is it just got normalized like I'm [TS]

01:24:53   not normalizing them by saying huh [TS]

01:24:58   whoa by not immediately you know by not [TS]

01:25:03   going at them with the same language we [TS]

01:25:06   were going at them before that produced [TS]

01:25:08   the results that we didn't anticipate [TS]

01:25:11   right i mean we did not buy by virtue of [TS]

01:25:16   our fury at the at the racism sexism and [TS]

01:25:21   in like just I mean racism sexism even [TS]

01:25:24   you even those things are like subsumed [TS]

01:25:28   beneath just the pure insanity of [TS]

01:25:30   selecting someone who has never for a [TS]

01:25:32   minute done any government work that's [TS]

01:25:37   that you know that's just like what and [TS]

01:25:41   you know form for my part [TS]

01:25:46   my first thought was we have on both [TS]

01:25:51   sides of the aisle become a country that [TS]

01:25:55   is convinced that our problem is elites [TS]

01:26:00   both the both the people on the [TS]

01:26:05   conservative side and on the liberal [TS]

01:26:07   side are convinced that it is elites who [TS]

01:26:11   are the problem and the solution is a [TS]

01:26:16   populism a populist movement where we [TS]

01:26:20   put Outsiders in and the further left [TS]

01:26:24   you go the more [TS]

01:26:25   that conviction is true and the further [TS]

01:26:27   right you go the more that condition is [TS]

01:26:28   true that we are in combat culturally [TS]

01:26:32   with these elites who are keeping us out [TS]

01:26:34   and on the Left we think it is elites [TS]

01:26:37   that are / dinner that are promulgating [TS]

01:26:41   a white supremacy and a patriarchy and [TS]

01:26:45   we need to roust those elites and put [TS]

01:26:47   neophytes in those positions because [TS]

01:26:51   people with no experience but with [TS]

01:26:54   conviction are better in those jobs then [TS]

01:26:58   people who have dedicated their lives to [TS]

01:27:00   administration to government to [TS]

01:27:03   thoughtful action to moderate behavior [TS]

01:27:06   we need them out and related to people [TS]

01:27:09   who've done the job but have also had to [TS]

01:27:12   deal with the harsh realities of having [TS]

01:27:16   to deal with people who don't agree with [TS]

01:27:19   you that maybe have more power than you [TS]

01:27:20   but have to find a way to compromise [TS]

01:27:23   happening and negotiate and and [TS]

01:27:27   facilitate a best practice even if it [TS]

01:27:31   even if it isn't the most beautiful or [TS]

01:27:34   the most radical and on the right of [TS]

01:27:37   this equation there are people who feel [TS]

01:27:39   like the elites are perpetuating a [TS]

01:27:43   snobby East Coast dominated prissy [TS]

01:27:52   pretentious lecturing hectoring form of [TS]

01:27:58   social engineering and they need to [TS]

01:28:00   eliminate the elites in order that real [TS]

01:28:04   people who have real concerns who are [TS]

01:28:07   real and authentic who have who haven't [TS]

01:28:10   like in Donald Trump's case even read a [TS]

01:28:14   book that they are better suited to this [TS]

01:28:18   like to this job which is a job when i [TS]

01:28:22   ran for office Iran thinking this very [TS]

01:28:27   thing that the people in that were [TS]

01:28:30   running downtown Seattle the city [TS]

01:28:32   council was full of insiders [TS]

01:28:36   who you know who couldn't see beyond the [TS]

01:28:39   end of their knows who were compromised [TS]

01:28:41   by their affiliations who were in bed [TS]

01:28:44   with business and what they needed in [TS]

01:28:47   there with some fresh blood in the form [TS]

01:28:49   of me a like a freewheeling fun-lovin [TS]

01:28:53   smart guy who who saw the problems in [TS]

01:28:57   the city clear-eyed and was gonna roll [TS]

01:29:00   in there and and just shake everything [TS]

01:29:04   up and be somebody that sat on the City [TS]

01:29:07   Council with a little bit of an ironic [TS]

01:29:09   smirk and when problems came across the [TS]

01:29:12   desk i would just know what to do and I [TS]

01:29:15   wouldn't have I wouldn't be in bed with [TS]

01:29:17   anybody and as I started to run and said [TS]

01:29:22   well the first thing we need to do is [TS]

01:29:24   build a unified transit system and the [TS]

01:29:27   first person I met you know who was a 21 [TS]

01:29:30   year old intern for somebody said well I [TS]

01:29:33   mean you never be able to pay for that [TS]

01:29:35   because the state legislature passed a [TS]

01:29:38   law 15 years ago that limited the amount [TS]

01:29:42   limited the ability of the CM city of [TS]

01:29:45   seattle to raise money via taxation and [TS]

01:29:51   so the state government would never pay [TS]

01:29:53   for this transit program and the City of [TS]

01:29:55   Seattle cannot does not have the taxing [TS]

01:29:57   authority to pay for it either so what's [TS]

01:29:59   your next plan and I was like whoa [TS]

01:30:03   because i didn't know that the state [TS]

01:30:06   legislature had passed this law and [TS]

01:30:09   having passed it will see the city of [TS]

01:30:11   seattle was bound by it and the [TS]

01:30:14   legislature was not going to overturn it [TS]

01:30:16   because because six-tenths of the [TS]

01:30:20   legislature is from moses lake and [TS]

01:30:24   Spokane and enumclaw and places where [TS]

01:30:27   they don't share Seattle values so as I [TS]

01:30:31   went through the process of running for [TS]

01:30:32   office every step along the way I [TS]

01:30:35   realized this is people's profession and [TS]

01:30:39   they've spent their whole career [TS]

01:30:41   it is isn't it I mean it's a craft it's [TS]

01:30:44   a it's absolutely a craft and when [TS]

01:30:46   somebody comes to the City Council and [TS]

01:30:48   they say [TS]

01:30:49   I want to raise the height limits in [TS]

01:30:52   this zip code so that i can build an 80 [TS]

01:30:55   story apartment tower that where the you [TS]

01:30:59   know the cheapest department is a [TS]

01:31:01   million-five there are 40 other groups [TS]

01:31:08   that feel like their stakeholders in [TS]

01:31:10   that choice and each one of them has a [TS]

01:31:16   whole camp train of history and of a [TS]

01:31:20   history with the city their own [TS]

01:31:23   constituency their own like logical [TS]

01:31:26   worldview they're all they're all all [TS]

01:31:31   those worldviews are logical from within [TS]

01:31:33   and all 40 of those groups i'm not [TS]

01:31:35   talking about 40 people who have steaks [TS]

01:31:37   but 40 groups of people that have steaks [TS]

01:31:40   in that decision who want to talk to the [TS]

01:31:42   City Council and tell them and explain [TS]

01:31:45   their patiently explained and angrily [TS]

01:31:47   explain their consistent worldview that [TS]

01:31:51   from within consumes them they [TS]

01:31:53   absolutely no they're right at that [TS]

01:31:56   apartment building is going to create [TS]

01:31:58   more homelessness for that apartment [TS]

01:31:59   building is going to raise the tax base [TS]

01:32:01   which will enable us to help the [TS]

01:32:03   homeless or that apartment building is [TS]

01:32:06   going to you know the fact that it needs [TS]

01:32:08   to be union or the fact that it doesn't [TS]

01:32:10   need to be union at on ad infinitum [TS]

01:32:14   and so to sit on that bench and do that [TS]

01:32:17   work well is a lifetime job or or a job [TS]

01:32:24   that that you there you do need [TS]

01:32:26   preparation to do you didn't do need to [TS]

01:32:29   have a certain personality and you and [TS]

01:32:33   it isn't just a matter of kicking your [TS]

01:32:35   feet up on the desk and saying you know [TS]

01:32:36   what sounds good to me do it don't do it [TS]

01:32:40   seems like you could look to somebody [TS]

01:32:42   like let's say a veteran journalist who [TS]

01:32:46   has been walking through the corridors [TS]

01:32:49   of power for years and that person my [TS]

01:32:52   roll their eyes at someone who says i'm [TS]

01:32:54   going to be an outsider and the fact [TS]

01:32:55   that I don't know very much and don't [TS]

01:32:57   have a plan helps me to not cloud my [TS]

01:33:00   ideological vision for what needs two [TS]

01:33:02   because reasons like somebody's in that [TS]

01:33:05   position as let me again like a someone [TS]

01:33:07   is a very very good journalist or [TS]

01:33:08   scholar knows all that stuff but but [TS]

01:33:12   even they have never done the job and [TS]

01:33:15   when you get in and do the job you not [TS]

01:33:18   only know or it's not only exposed to [TS]

01:33:21   and know all of that complexity but then [TS]

01:33:23   you have all the extra added complexity [TS]

01:33:25   like I'm kind of just repeating what [TS]

01:33:27   you're saying but like that's that's the [TS]

01:33:28   part that I that I always think about [TS]

01:33:29   like I mean I could have the best idea [TS]

01:33:31   in the world for how the plumbing in my [TS]

01:33:33   house should work but being an outsider [TS]

01:33:35   when it comes to plumbing does not make [TS]

01:33:37   me better at it than someone who's done [TS]

01:33:38   it for 20 years but for somebody who [TS]

01:33:40   understands the actual like you know you [TS]

01:33:42   think about what something is really an [TS]

01:33:43   expert somebody it's not just somebody [TS]

01:33:45   who knows how to do it [TS]

01:33:46   it's not just somebody has done [TS]

01:33:47   repeatedly it's not just somebody who's [TS]

01:33:49   done enough to be good at it but it's [TS]

01:33:51   somebody who sees things you can't see [TS]

01:33:55   and the can't even really be explained [TS]

01:33:57   to you and that comes across as a [TS]

01:33:59   certain kind of cynicism or hollowness [TS]

01:34:02   that yet no you're just a pure [TS]

01:34:04   politician now but it's also that they [TS]

01:34:06   understand how many people in a position [TS]

01:34:08   of power are going to be making calls [TS]

01:34:10   when you decide to change the height [TS]

01:34:11   limit you haven't you haven't thought [TS]

01:34:13   about that because you have this pure [TS]

01:34:15   vision of how that should be but [TS]

01:34:16   somebody was done that job that that [TS]

01:34:18   seemingly callow person who has that job [TS]

01:34:20   has done nothing but deal with that the [TS]

01:34:22   entire time they have that job until it [TS]

01:34:24   becomes almost a primary part is [TS]

01:34:26   learning how to deal with what everybody [TS]

01:34:27   wants and that looks like Alice yes [TS]

01:34:30   exactly but but what so so you know if [TS]

01:34:36   there is a if I did have a hot take [TS]

01:34:38   personally internally it was that [TS]

01:34:44   watching you know watching the people [TS]

01:34:49   that I follow the people that I agree [TS]

01:34:52   with immediately frame what happened in [TS]

01:35:01   a way in a self-serving way so that what [TS]

01:35:05   they could maintain was their conviction [TS]

01:35:07   that what we needed to do was get the [TS]

01:35:08   elites out [TS]

01:35:10   and now there was a new set of elites a [TS]

01:35:13   new set of people that work that were [TS]

01:35:16   supporting and confirming their belief [TS]

01:35:20   that this elite structure was what was [TS]

01:35:24   in our way and what we needed to do was [TS]

01:35:27   get the people in there even though the [TS]

01:35:29   person that just was elected was elected [TS]

01:35:34   precisely because his argument was we [TS]

01:35:36   needed to get the elites out and so I [TS]

01:35:41   you know I watched my whole world and [TS]

01:35:44   can continue to watch it on Twitter and [TS]

01:35:49   the thing is we are fighting against [TS]

01:35:51   racism we are fighting against sexism [TS]

01:35:53   and these are noble goals and this is a [TS]

01:35:56   lifetime fight for all of us and will be [TS]

01:35:58   a lifetime fight for our children like [TS]

01:36:01   this is our side of the mission of [TS]

01:36:04   creating the world we want to see but [TS]

01:36:07   that doesn't that the nobility of that [TS]

01:36:10   project does not necessarily validate [TS]

01:36:14   all of our processes it doesn't reflect [TS]

01:36:16   back and set and then give us the the [TS]

01:36:20   right to say that our methods are [TS]

01:36:22   correct because our goals are noble and [TS]

01:36:27   I am increasingly inclined to say people [TS]

01:36:32   who have devoted their lives to [TS]

01:36:34   government are not the enemy people who [TS]

01:36:38   have people who work on behalf of others [TS]

01:36:42   even if we don't agree with them or we [TS]

01:36:45   in our conspiratorial sense that the [TS]

01:36:47   world is pitted against us even if all [TS]

01:36:51   evidence points to the fact that that [TS]

01:36:54   person has actually is full of [TS]

01:36:57   self-sacrifice and has devoted their [TS]

01:36:59   lives to helping others which in my [TS]

01:37:03   opinion Hillary Clinton has done right [TS]

01:37:06   like she has not enriched herself she's [TS]

01:37:10   not poor her husband has made a lot of [TS]

01:37:13   money she gets paid for speeches I wish [TS]

01:37:15   to fucking god i got paid for speeches [TS]

01:37:17   of the way that she she does that's not [TS]

01:37:21   mean [TS]

01:37:23   there are people right now my age who [TS]

01:37:26   are worth hundreds and hundreds of [TS]

01:37:27   millions of dollars for doing nothing [TS]

01:37:29   for sitting and transferring money from [TS]

01:37:32   one bank to another their whole careers [TS]

01:37:34   to say that Hillary Clinton is corrupt [TS]

01:37:36   is just like you don't understand what a [TS]

01:37:38   lifetime of service looks like but there [TS]

01:37:41   are there are so many people out there [TS]

01:37:44   whose business is government and whose [TS]

01:37:46   work is in the world of of like this is [TS]

01:37:55   the social sciences who work at the [TS]

01:37:57   State Department their whole lives who [TS]

01:37:59   work in the diplomatic corps and anyone [TS]

01:38:04   on either side of the aisle is going to [TS]

01:38:06   point to these people and say they are [TS]

01:38:07   elites that are keeping that are that [TS]

01:38:10   that are keeping this system that we [TS]

01:38:12   disagree with in in in power and I look [TS]

01:38:16   at them now and I say thank God for you [TS]

01:38:18   and I do not want the people i do not [TS]

01:38:25   want i do not believe that the people [TS]

01:38:27   marching in the street no better [TS]

01:38:29   necessarily i don't think that they are [TS]

01:38:33   the people i want to hold elective [TS]

01:38:37   office [TS]

01:38:38   I don't want a revolution I want a slow [TS]

01:38:43   methodical march in the hands of people [TS]

01:38:47   of people who have made the study of [TS]

01:38:49   this their life's work and I believe [TS]

01:38:53   that that will result in justice because [TS]

01:38:58   i think justice is inevitable [TS]

01:39:01   like I think equality and this is the [TS]

01:39:04   slow march of history argument that [TS]

01:39:06   makes people really mad who think that [TS]

01:39:09   they can yell and make history much [TS]

01:39:13   faster and we and there's plenty of it [TS]

01:39:16   plenty of examples of like move it [TS]

01:39:18   things do move faster but things have [TS]

01:39:20   just moved back you know this has been a [TS]

01:39:22   this has been a big correction a bad [TS]

01:39:24   back [TS]

01:39:25   correction and all it does is confirmed [TS]

01:39:28   to me that like you make a big stabbed [TS]

01:39:30   things change and then you know and then [TS]

01:39:34   the people that wanted a different way [TS]

01:39:36   push back and but the margin history is [TS]

01:39:39   what I'm what I count on and i hope that [TS]

01:39:44   this era where this jacksonian sense [TS]

01:39:49   that that like people throw down there [TS]

01:39:55   ho and march on washington with their [TS]

01:40:00   you know with their bag of corn meal [TS]

01:40:02   over their shoulder and say I can do [TS]

01:40:04   government better you know they can't we [TS]

01:40:12   can't we [TS]

01:40:15   I believe in like I don't believe in the [TS]

01:40:17   in the electoral college anymore but you [TS]

01:40:24   know I believe in elected [TS]

01:40:28   representatives and we've just elected [TS]

01:40:32   up a a big pile of garbage to that role [TS]

01:40:36   and that is giving me pause and that's [TS]

01:40:40   making me feel like i don't i don't know [TS]

01:40:44   i don't I i do know that one that [TS]

01:40:49   equality is that we have more quality [TS]

01:40:51   today than we've ever had and that the [TS]

01:40:54   current administration can't take that [TS]

01:40:56   away and things are ugly on the street [TS]

01:40:58   right now but you know that but I'm not [TS]

01:41:03   redoubling my effort to do what I what I [TS]

01:41:08   was doing a month ago [TS]

01:41:09   I'm [TS]

01:41:12   eating cereal doing chores [TS]