Roderick on the Line

Ep. 223: "Sequester John!"


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00:00:20   hello hi John oh hi Merlin that's going [TS]

00:00:23   good you sounded really enthused oh not [TS]

00:00:29   so enthused oh no this is a highlight of [TS]

00:00:32   my week [TS]

00:00:33   oh yeah I know just you know and you [TS]

00:00:35   know how it is [TS]

00:00:36   yeah sometimes a week well just [TS]

00:00:38   sometimes the 16 months right now it [TS]

00:00:41   just was just unfold like like one of [TS]

00:00:44   those looking to origami life [TS]

00:00:46   yeah like an advent calendar where every [TS]

00:00:49   door is just a just to fuck you [TS]

00:00:52   it didn't okay different kind of animal [TS]

00:00:55   poop happy holidays coming up to seven [TS]

00:00:58   that that's Paul Williams with a big [TS]

00:01:01   middle finger morning [TS]

00:01:04   yeah so you sound good about that [TS]

00:01:10   election [TS]

00:01:11   oh yeah Big Sucker things are fine over [TS]

00:01:23   here okay yeah it's been raining a while [TS]

00:01:26   so on them on call this week 40 no jury [TS]

00:01:31   duty and it's a whole court case it's oh [TS]

00:01:33   no what is why does that happen to you I [TS]

00:01:36   haven't been called for jury duty in 24 [TS]

00:01:38   um jury crack I never don't get called I [TS]

00:01:42   don't understand it [TS]

00:01:43   I mean I'm know I'm not good at [TS]

00:01:44   calculating time and stuff but like it [TS]

00:01:48   feels like it's as soon as i'm eligible [TS]

00:01:50   it it comes up and i usually get called [TS]

00:01:52   that's about the last one I dodged a [TS]

00:01:54   bullet on the last one [TS]

00:01:55   yeah i think so but remind that's quick [TS]

00:01:58   i mean basically it was really weird [TS]

00:01:59   because I've made it through like [TS]

00:02:01   thursday if you make it past wednesday [TS]

00:02:03   it's usually like I had their good i can [TS]

00:02:04   me and then I called the robot said your [TS]

00:02:07   journey group [TS]

00:02:09   well appear at superior court 1 p.m. [TS]

00:02:12   thursday and it's like what [TS]

00:02:13   who gets called at one p.m. on a [TS]

00:02:15   thursday yyyy does your robocall sound [TS]

00:02:18   like James Urbaniak [TS]

00:02:21   I like that guy i met him yeah yeah you [TS]

00:02:27   did meet him [TS]

00:02:27   I think somebody took a photo together [TS]

00:02:29   yeah you met him in a hotel room in the [TS]

00:02:31   hotel lobby of the hotel didn't have [TS]

00:02:33   television television [TS]

00:02:34   oh my god I was so fucking mad about [TS]

00:02:36   that haha i took a photo and send it to [TS]

00:02:38   my daughters like this is where the TV [TS]

00:02:39   would be this is a normal hotel room it [TS]

00:02:42   was like a Gitmo sell you have you had a [TS]

00:02:44   nice when they put you up in the Rain [TS]

00:02:45   Man sweet but I was down with the proles [TS]

00:02:47   yeah I otherwise with no TV in my room [TS]

00:02:50   either instead there was just like there [TS]

00:02:52   was a soap carving kit and like five [TS]

00:02:55   curated vinyl albums pictures of bird [TS]

00:02:58   houses are that mine had a bed which is [TS]

00:03:00   an ok bed in middle of this room was a [TS]

00:03:03   small room but I mean it was really [TS]

00:03:05   funny it was like there were worried I [TS]

00:03:07   was going to harm myself there were two [TS]

00:03:09   little tables into little lamps and a [TS]

00:03:12   closet [TS]

00:03:13   no no I'm sorry there wasn't a closet [TS]

00:03:15   there was a shelf it was like he was [TS]

00:03:17   like some kind of like I don't know what [TS]

00:03:19   I imagined like if you went to like the [TS]

00:03:20   nice juvenile detention unit you [TS]

00:03:24   remember that was the hotel I still kick [TS]

00:03:26   myself I opened the door and there the [TS]

00:03:30   room had been cleaned and was in in [TS]

00:03:32   perfect order except there was a [TS]

00:03:33   walkie-talkie lying in the islands right [TS]

00:03:36   and I was like it's the beginning of an [TS]

00:03:38   adventure it's a call to adventure [TS]

00:03:40   there's no question about it yeah but I [TS]

00:03:42   picked it up and you know looked at it [TS]

00:03:44   and you know turned on nothing nothing [TS]

00:03:46   on that channel and I took it down the [TS]

00:03:48   front desk [TS]

00:03:48   I think I told the story but basically i [TS]

00:03:50   should we showed up and did the very [TS]

00:03:52   short version is that a bailiff you know [TS]

00:03:55   it looks which basically it's it's like [TS]

00:03:57   a it's like the parks department act he [TS]

00:03:59   wants in a guy in uniform and goes [TS]

00:04:01   alright this will now serve as the jury [TS]

00:04:03   assembly room it's what it was like 230 [TS]

00:04:05   there's like a hundred 50 to 250 people [TS]

00:04:09   in this room and I was like oh my god is [TS]

00:04:10   this was so this was the bit you know [TS]

00:04:12   there's the room you go and sit in while [TS]

00:04:14   you wait to get called and then you go [TS]

00:04:15   usually to like a court room to be you [TS]

00:04:18   know what dear whatever our stuff they [TS]

00:04:20   do in this case the entire rooms like [TS]

00:04:22   this will now serve as the jury assembly [TS]

00:04:23   room for group you know 27 or whatever [TS]

00:04:26   and a judge came in and said basically [TS]

00:04:29   you know the bad the the what was that [TS]

00:04:33   the bad news is we're not gonna [TS]

00:04:35   need you today or whatever the good news [TS]

00:04:36   is like this is a multi-month case you [TS]

00:04:42   are and it's like I i am so torn because [TS]

00:04:46   I really believe in doing my duty for [TS]

00:04:49   that it's like you know if you want me [TS]

00:04:51   for a week [TS]

00:04:52   I can grossly inconvenience my family I [TS]

00:04:55   can basically not make money for a week [TS]

00:04:58   out you know that's okay that's that's [TS]

00:05:00   part of what you gotta do but that it [TS]

00:05:02   puts so much pressure on my wife you [TS]

00:05:04   know I take care of my daughter in the [TS]

00:05:06   afternoon that's my job and like that's [TS]

00:05:09   the way the light construction i know [TS]

00:05:10   that's fancy but that's the dad I need [TS]

00:05:13   to be and holidays coming up and [TS]

00:05:16   everything and it's just like oh I can't [TS]

00:05:18   imagine spending election day sitting in [TS]

00:05:20   the Superior Court jury room and I i do [TS]

00:05:23   not find that it's fancy though you [TS]

00:05:25   don't need to apologize for being fancy [TS]

00:05:27   yes just sits you to your alternative [TS]

00:05:30   lifestyle will have you ever gone to [TS]

00:05:31   jury duty and try to make the case that [TS]

00:05:33   you shouldn't be on well let me let me [TS]

00:05:36   just say you're saying you just don't [TS]

00:05:37   get called Ellen I am the one probably [TS]

00:05:41   the one person in the world [TS]

00:05:42   maybe I'm not the one person in the [TS]

00:05:44   world but i am in the very small [TS]

00:05:45   minority of people that waits like on [TS]

00:05:49   baited breath to be called for jury duty [TS]

00:05:52   it has a strange one time in my life [TS]

00:05:55   when I was 23 years old and I was [TS]

00:05:59   sitting in the jury selection room and [TS]

00:06:01   everyone else is just looking like you [TS]

00:06:04   know somebody just handed them a garbage [TS]

00:06:06   bag full of water without a twist tie [TS]

00:06:08   looks good shit ah and i am sitting in [TS]

00:06:15   that chair literally bouncing on my [TS]

00:06:17   hands so the ink I got ready to make up [TS]

00:06:18   we got we got we got to be under coming [TS]

00:06:21   it was a murder case I hope it's the [TS]

00:06:23   last for six months because not only was [TS]

00:06:25   i think the real to be part of the [TS]

00:06:28   democratic process for the you know jury [TS]

00:06:29   of your peers to get $13 the thirteen [TS]

00:06:33   dollars today and being on a jury for [TS]

00:06:35   six months would have solved so many of [TS]

00:06:37   my life problem i would give you so much [TS]

00:06:39   focus well that i'm also allow you have [TS]

00:06:42   to have clothes ready [TS]

00:06:44   you have to think about where you need [TS]

00:06:45   to be in the morning well maybe they [TS]

00:06:47   put me up in a hotel because they had to [TS]

00:06:49   sequester sequester John it because [TS]

00:06:51   somebody like some mafia thing or [TS]

00:06:53   whatever like a hit man and I that would [TS]

00:06:56   have solved the problem of not having a [TS]

00:06:58   place to live at that boy is yeah and [TS]

00:07:00   and any time you know any time like a [TS]

00:07:03   girl was like why haven't I seen you I'd [TS]

00:07:04   be like sorry I'm injuries like and I [TS]

00:07:07   can't talk about it i guess yeah exactly [TS]

00:07:09   right I've been out of every problem it [TS]

00:07:12   would have just solved everything so I'm [TS]

00:07:13   bouncing up and down the Chairman Ben [TS]

00:07:15   and you know i'm watching the attorneys [TS]

00:07:17   trying to get people i'm like oh man [TS]

00:07:20   I've got a great answer that question [TS]

00:07:22   come on come on come on ask me ask me [TS]

00:07:24   ask me ask me like I i wanted to raise [TS]

00:07:26   my hand when they were asking other you [TS]

00:07:28   know like have you ever Hunger Games you [TS]

00:07:30   ready to get service up his tribute let [TS]

00:07:32   me go let always have people go home [TS]

00:07:33   happy to do it on behalf of that little [TS]

00:07:36   child yes for her and then they were [TS]

00:07:38   like okay we got our jury it like it's a [TS]

00:07:40   good print ago I was so defeated I was [TS]

00:07:43   like that's it [TS]

00:07:44   do you remember why was it just that [TS]

00:07:46   they didn't need your body not never got [TS]

00:07:48   they never got to you never got to me [TS]

00:07:51   they just made a jury and and I was like [TS]

00:07:53   will will will you guys gotta meet [TS]

00:07:56   another jury right like we're all here [TS]

00:07:58   why don't you just make a jury out of us [TS]

00:08:00   for the next thing that's good idea and [TS]

00:08:02   and there was just like go home and so [TS]

00:08:05   then for a long time I waited for the [TS]

00:08:07   envelope to come like gotta get it again [TS]

00:08:09   right it's like this this amazing [TS]

00:08:12   laughter anything it's not even like the [TS]

00:08:13   draft like it's one thing to say gosh I [TS]

00:08:14   hope I'm 1a and i hope i get drafted he [TS]

00:08:17   will you know what you can always just [TS]

00:08:18   go join in this case you can't just go [TS]

00:08:20   show up at the courthouse and say I'm [TS]

00:08:21   ready to serve right yeah I would have [TS]

00:08:24   done it a hundred times it's like giving [TS]

00:08:25   blood [TS]

00:08:26   yeah and and what's crazy is I'm four [TS]

00:08:29   out of four voter like that I they know [TS]

00:08:32   where my address is like I'm i am I [TS]

00:08:35   couldn't be more of a citizen and yet [TS]

00:08:39   somehow my bill never gets wrong [TS]

00:08:41   that's a shame John yeah and they're [TS]

00:08:43   calling you every third day and it just [TS]

00:08:46   it feels like it just feels a little bit [TS]

00:08:49   like an injustice to imagine me on a [TS]

00:08:51   jury [TS]

00:08:51   I mean I actually I really I i can it [TS]

00:08:54   calls to mind so many things I see you I [TS]

00:08:56   see very quickly by unanimous a claim [TS]

00:08:59   being made the form and maybe [TS]

00:09:00   even before they're done seeing people [TS]

00:09:02   they just clearly this this is the [TS]

00:09:03   anchorman thank you thank you i mean [TS]

00:09:06   what i don't understand in a when I see [TS]

00:09:09   like court cases on TV what you do a lot [TS]

00:09:13   it's very popular thing to have on TV [TS]

00:09:16   yeah which in its own way is like weird [TS]

00:09:19   that a major major feature of what we [TS]

00:09:23   consider entertaining television is just [TS]

00:09:26   like watching watching a court case it's [TS]

00:09:31   really kind of strange idea like right [TS]

00:09:33   eleven percent of all television shows [TS]

00:09:35   are just watching the antics of people [TS]

00:09:37   in a courtroom and I mean I guess it [TS]

00:09:39   makes sense right it's like it's it's an [TS]

00:09:41   intellectual I think it's kind of genre [TS]

00:09:43   it's totally Israel but what I don't [TS]

00:09:46   understand watching a jury on TV is they [TS]

00:09:48   just sit there and passively like how [TS]

00:09:52   boring or i mean are you are you [TS]

00:09:55   severely restricted to every morning do [TS]

00:09:57   they say [TS]

00:09:57   now remember don't raise your hand [TS]

00:10:02   don't say but but right and don't don't [TS]

00:10:05   audibly roll your eyes right don't like [TS]

00:10:08   try and do a better job than the lawyer [TS]

00:10:10   don't say pulleys like how do you not do [TS]

00:10:13   those things are now I know 13 and [TS]

00:10:15   everybody last time i was on for a of [TS]

00:10:17   the four-day trial and had a buddy and [TS]

00:10:20   we would just give each other look [TS]

00:10:21   because you know of course [TS]

00:10:23   well he can't get into this i don't i [TS]

00:10:25   don't want to cause trouble for myself [TS]

00:10:26   but there's all kinds of things you're [TS]

00:10:27   not supposed to do that everybody does [TS]

00:10:29   because this is in that case whatever [TS]

00:10:32   I mean you got a phone and stuff you [TS]

00:10:35   know they're not so don't do any viral [TS]

00:10:37   research and look like right [TS]

00:10:40   I'm not gonna break first thing you do [TS]

00:10:42   is google the guy right [TS]

00:10:43   it's google map where the accident [TS]

00:10:44   happened like the whole nine like I [TS]

00:10:46   don't know the visibility there is a [TS]

00:10:47   little strange i think i was going [TS]

00:10:49   pretty fast and that would do that but [TS]

00:10:51   yeah my buddy and me we just give each [TS]

00:10:53   other looks through the whole thing but [TS]

00:10:54   now I'm you get you know general [TS]

00:10:56   admonitions about these kinds of things [TS]

00:10:57   and you know the thing is as part of it [TS]

00:10:59   that is really are [TS]

00:11:01   there's several parts of it that are [TS]

00:11:02   absolutely amazing i mean the the folks [TS]

00:11:06   who are involved in this the bailiff [TS]

00:11:08   sand all the the court there's like [TS]

00:11:10   there's like a guy who's like or a gal [TS]

00:11:12   who's like the [TS]

00:11:13   manager of the courtroom you've got the [TS]

00:11:16   judge is frequently in dingus and then [TS]

00:11:18   you got the person who like manages the [TS]

00:11:19   jury stuff and whose i forgot what he [TS]

00:11:21   called the courtroom not the court [TS]

00:11:22   reporter but it's the person who like [TS]

00:11:23   basically manages everything that's [TS]

00:11:25   happening in the courtroom and that [TS]

00:11:27   person is amazing to watch as a as a [TS]

00:11:30   retired project manager i can just say [TS]

00:11:31   watching somebody like that operate is [TS]

00:11:33   amazing because our uniform early a [TS]

00:11:35   madman [TS]

00:11:36   no no it's it's usually somebody in like [TS]

00:11:38   you know kind of business casual kind of [TS]

00:11:40   thing and they're coordinating with all [TS]

00:11:41   the lawyers they're talking to the judge [TS]

00:11:43   they're dealing with the jury they are [TS]

00:11:44   your conduit for dealing if anything [TS]

00:11:46   comes up like if you know that's who you [TS]

00:11:49   talk to and if you go to the bathroom [TS]

00:11:50   what do you have to go to the bathroom [TS]

00:11:52   you gotta wait what [TS]

00:11:54   yeah if they're in the middle of [TS]

00:11:56   something and you're like who knows [TS]

00:11:58   stuff that's what you are no you have no [TS]

00:12:01   anything they tell you in the thing is [TS]

00:12:04   they are very least the ones i've been [TS]

00:12:06   on their very considerate about saying [TS]

00:12:08   like you know we try to make this as [TS]

00:12:09   easy and comfortable as possible but you [TS]

00:12:10   know the process is the process [TS]

00:12:12   sometimes there's delays something's get [TS]

00:12:14   changed you know sometimes some days [TS]

00:12:15   you're gonna go home a little early some [TS]

00:12:16   days you're gonna stay a little bit late [TS]

00:12:18   and you know that's just this is just [TS]

00:12:20   the nature of how this works but right [TS]

00:12:22   is you know how it is it's always [TS]

00:12:23   amazing to watch anybody who's good at [TS]

00:12:24   their job and somebody who does the same [TS]

00:12:26   thing over and over every day and [TS]

00:12:28   clearly has been through the wringer of [TS]

00:12:30   all different kinds of experiences it's [TS]

00:12:32   amazing to watch somebody like wow [TS]

00:12:33   that's why i love watching the live feed [TS]

00:12:35   of your podcast oh thank you your [TS]

00:12:37   podcast and they've the thing is they've [TS]

00:12:39   heard it all is the other thing so you [TS]

00:12:41   know you go and you might have your [TS]

00:12:42   protestations about this or that and but [TS]

00:12:44   like you know the judge and the court [TS]

00:12:48   room manager person are very good at [TS]

00:12:49   going like cutting straight to the issue [TS]

00:12:52   of like you know so they basically [TS]

00:12:54   anything you come up with like as it's [TS]

00:12:56   one thing to say like okay like I have I [TS]

00:12:58   have chemo and here's my notarized [TS]

00:13:00   statement from a doctor and we're going [TS]

00:13:02   to going i have mixed feelings about the [TS]

00:13:04   Civil War and they're like okay so [TS]

00:13:05   you're telling you cannot make an honest [TS]

00:13:07   and admit I'm gonna look like such an [TS]

00:13:08   idiot like my daughter is it's cool and [TS]

00:13:11   it's like really yeah like you know like [TS]

00:13:13   can you eat chips in the dream and not [TS]

00:13:15   supposed to eat chips you're not [TS]

00:13:16   supposed to even pretend that you have a [TS]

00:13:18   phone I had a really good spot near a [TS]

00:13:19   charger so I could I could stay charged [TS]

00:13:22   the whole way to make you can keep your [TS]

00:13:23   phone in that [TS]

00:13:24   yeah but you're not supposed to use it [TS]

00:13:26   at all even to just sit and play [TS]

00:13:28   solitaire you know it happens helpful [TS]

00:13:30   for me to when I'm listening to somebody [TS]

00:13:32   talk to be also playing minesweeper well [TS]

00:13:35   for me Alec walking like I would much [TS]

00:13:36   prefer to be pacing while the whole [TS]

00:13:38   thing is going they should have like a [TS]

00:13:40   like a like a big Panther cage you could [TS]

00:13:41   walk around and I would process the [TS]

00:13:43   information like that I thought probably [TS]

00:13:46   distracting that 12 to like it don't [TS]

00:13:49   know just casing what the cork it's one [TS]

00:13:53   of those one of those things like the [TS]

00:13:54   use of the head when they're keeping [TS]

00:13:56   cage uh Milosevic tuna in a blackberry [TS]

00:14:00   like a Nuremberg pen that's a good idea [TS]

00:14:03   i should bring that thing going tomorrow [TS]

00:14:05   on election day for superior capture its [TS]

00:14:08   beauty are used [TS]

00:14:09   oh my god well you know I i emailed you [TS]

00:14:12   i sent ya included you in a bcc blast [TS]

00:14:14   email last week to save all of my [TS]

00:14:16   podcast buddies [TS]

00:14:18   it's that time again it's basically like [TS]

00:14:20   my municipal period has come it's time [TS]

00:14:22   for me to go and see aunt flow at the [TS]

00:14:24   courthouse like I always have to do the [TS]

00:14:26   job as part of the year no and so but [TS]

00:14:29   then I you know to get texted you and [TS]

00:14:31   said hey you know I called it on friday [TS]

00:14:33   and i was ok for today but yeah yeah and [TS]

00:14:37   it'll be fine it'll be fine i mean it's [TS]

00:14:40   not that I don't want to do it and I [TS]

00:14:41   don't mean to be precious it i want to [TS]

00:14:44   do it i just don't want to do it for [TS]

00:14:45   like months [TS]

00:14:46   yeah it's very I mean I I don't want to [TS]

00:14:49   be a dick about it but like that is [TS]

00:14:50   incredibly disruptive now I'm so happy [TS]

00:14:53   by giving the western part of town it [TS]

00:14:55   takes me like almost an hour to get in [TS]

00:14:56   and almost an hour to get home and then [TS]

00:14:58   my wife was a big lady job is going to [TS]

00:15:00   have to like do all this extra heavy [TS]

00:15:02   lifting during that time it's like I but [TS]

00:15:04   I feel the selfishness and what I'm [TS]

00:15:05   saying but at the same time it's like at [TS]

00:15:07   here's what I don't understand right the [TS]

00:15:09   only people that end up on jury duties [TS]

00:15:11   are old people and not people who don't [TS]

00:15:15   have anything else can move that doesn't [TS]

00:15:16   stop that's the stereotype but in [TS]

00:15:19   practice that is not true at all [TS]

00:15:20   oh very cool very cool well and I have a [TS]

00:15:23   theory about this just accuse thinks [TS]

00:15:25   it's because people can tell that I'm [TS]

00:15:26   impressionable which is probably true [TS]

00:15:27   also but I mean the things I've done in [TS]

00:15:30   there like the one the first time that i [TS]

00:15:32   was on a case that went through to a [TS]

00:15:35   jury verdict [TS]

00:15:36   it was like the longest day of my life [TS]

00:15:38   because you got it I got called for two [TS]

00:15:39   different jury things got pulled away [TS]

00:15:41   and finally by like lunchtime we were [TS]

00:15:43   seated for a trial that was that one day [TS]

00:15:46   and so is but we were there until like [TS]

00:15:48   almost ten o'clock to the end of this [TS]

00:15:50   and it was one of the most Kafka ask [TS]

00:15:52   frustrating days of my life ever tell [TS]

00:15:55   you the story were basically it was a it [TS]

00:15:57   was a pretty clear-cut long story short [TS]

00:15:59   a guy who was a real dick [TS]

00:16:02   it was a high school student went and [TS]

00:16:04   picked a fight with a fellow student [TS]

00:16:06   before school depicted with organized [TS]

00:16:09   group there are they over 18 [TS]

00:16:11   no no no they're both their their high [TS]

00:16:13   school students and school in [TS]

00:16:15   Tallahassee and this one kid who was [TS]

00:16:18   kind of a dick when interactive fight [TS]

00:16:19   with this other kid who'd been i think [TS]

00:16:21   it was basically just being bullied and [TS]

00:16:23   the kid bit off part of his ear the bad [TS]

00:16:26   kid the other kid the kid who had been [TS]

00:16:29   at attacked and the the so one get [TS]

00:16:32   started the fight the kids fought back [TS]

00:16:34   and office here [TS]

00:16:36   yeah okay so I mean it was that was [TS]

00:16:38   facts and evidence it was stipulated [TS]

00:16:39   this is what's going on with the [TS]

00:16:41   cannibalism in florida by the way [TS]

00:16:42   there's so much talk about Florida but [TS]

00:16:44   here's what it came down to you're gonna [TS]

00:16:46   hear a lot of stuff in here but here's [TS]

00:16:47   what this comes down to this case comes [TS]

00:16:48   down to this [TS]

00:16:49   did this school correctly follow its [TS]

00:16:53   established policy for teachers [TS]

00:16:56   supervising students before school [TS]

00:16:59   started a lot of specificity in that [TS]

00:17:01   you're not here to decide whether [TS]

00:17:03   whether ears are good or bad you're not [TS]

00:17:05   here to decide whether these teachers [TS]

00:17:06   work hard you have a single fact to [TS]

00:17:08   determine the single fact is this [TS]

00:17:10   did the school and its teachers follow [TS]

00:17:11   the policy of monitoring students and [TS]

00:17:14   they hadn't because it happened on [TS]

00:17:16   school ground on school grounds before [TS]

00:17:17   school and basically a teacher had not [TS]

00:17:20   been standing in this one spot at the [TS]

00:17:22   time they're supposed to be standing in [TS]

00:17:23   this one spot okay so boom game over [TS]

00:17:25   now you have to decide how much these [TS]

00:17:27   people should get and then you get to [TS]

00:17:30   the job much the parents of the bad kids [TS]

00:17:33   should get for the missing here [TS]

00:17:34   nope how much this school system will [TS]

00:17:38   have to pay the kid who bit you got his [TS]

00:17:40   ear bitten off because he had been [TS]

00:17:41   improperly supervise [TS]

00:17:45   so then you get to the really fun part [TS]

00:17:47   the judge says okay now I realize you [TS]

00:17:49   you haven't gotten to have your little [TS]

00:17:50   caesars pizza that arrived right before [TS]

00:17:51   we call you back and I know you haven't [TS]

00:17:53   eaten in hours but here's the thing [TS]

00:17:54   that's gonna take 45 minutes I'm going [TS]

00:17:56   to read you the jury instructions and I [TS]

00:17:58   want you to listen very carefully and [TS]

00:17:59   the judge reads the jury instructions [TS]

00:18:01   which of course now have you know we're [TS]

00:18:03   negotiating by by the council and by the [TS]

00:18:05   judge if it takes 45 minutes to reduce [TS]

00:18:08   it [TS]

00:18:08   I want to look at least 20 but i think [TS]

00:18:10   it was over half an hour and they read [TS]

00:18:11   to the jury instructions in the same now [TS]

00:18:13   go back there and decide when you're [TS]

00:18:16   little caesars pizza at that point at [TS]

00:18:17   that point the bailiff had already taken [TS]

00:18:19   the pizza way because they thought it [TS]

00:18:20   was all done so we didn't get to eat but [TS]

00:18:22   sounds like a simple trifling matter but [TS]

00:18:24   you know why I'm either hypoglycemic [TS]

00:18:26   more impatient depending on who you ask [TS]

00:18:27   it's so everybody's little loopy it's [TS]

00:18:30   gonna be past eight o'clock and so you [TS]

00:18:32   know you did we do the thing we've seen [TS]

00:18:34   on TV which is we said okay okay we're [TS]

00:18:37   going to work out you know we're gonna [TS]

00:18:38   do you know we're gonna do we're gonna [TS]

00:18:40   find ok that yeah that happened but you [TS]

00:18:43   know you know you know what you gotta [TS]

00:18:44   pay a dollar 11 dollar haha one dollar [TS]

00:18:48   we came back in we gave it yet and we [TS]

00:18:51   had the same and then have you reached [TS]

00:18:52   her as anything else yeah yeah yeah we [TS]

00:18:54   the jury find the case embedded in a [TS]

00:18:56   state one dollar counsel for the [TS]

00:19:00   plaintiff who look like Bill Clinton [TS]

00:19:02   shoots up into the air raises his hand [TS]

00:19:05   and said some kind of harry potter mumbo [TS]

00:19:07   jumbo about how he objected because if [TS]

00:19:12   memory serves I was very very hungry at [TS]

00:19:14   the time I think he said something like [TS]

00:19:15   he objected because the the the penalty [TS]

00:19:19   did not accord with the facts and [TS]

00:19:22   evidence for the jury instructions right [TS]

00:19:24   and the judge goes I think he took off [TS]

00:19:26   his little round glasses off the end of [TS]

00:19:28   his nose and goes [TS]

00:19:29   sustained jaw surgery I'm going to read [TS]

00:19:37   you the jury instructions again and I [TS]

00:19:40   want you to listen very carefully when [TS]

00:19:43   we like where we allowed to ask [TS]

00:19:45   questions about what we did wrong [TS]

00:19:46   we were not where we were allowed to [TS]

00:19:49   like basically see where the red marks [TS]

00:19:50   on our paperwork know you included [TS]

00:19:53   did you remember to put the date on it [TS]

00:19:54   all you know what we probably forgot [TS]

00:19:56   that are we done sign a legal name [TS]

00:19:57   little brown to write back a long story [TS]

00:19:59   we had to go back and no people what [TS]

00:20:02   what was it in the jury instructions [TS]

00:20:03   that prohibited you from a warning one [TS]

00:20:06   dollar i don't know i still don't know I [TS]

00:20:08   was hungry I don't remember we went back [TS]

00:20:10   we came up with some phony baloney [TS]

00:20:11   number and then we finally got to the [TS]

00:20:12   parking garage and go home $1,000 one I [TS]

00:20:15   honestly have to collect awkward [TS]

00:20:17   wow yeah so anyway that was that and [TS]

00:20:20   that's frustrating you really want to [TS]

00:20:22   award somebody one-dollar it's a shame [TS]

00:20:24   you can't go and volunteer because I [TS]

00:20:25   think you'd be great at it you know and [TS]

00:20:27   it's mine i would go down every couple [TS]

00:20:29   of months it's interesting your group [TS]

00:20:31   your original question which is that oh [TS]

00:20:33   isn't it just like retirees who are [TS]

00:20:35   looking for somebody to to you know a [TS]

00:20:37   place to do you somewhere they can get [TS]

00:20:39   up before in the morning on a necktie [TS]

00:20:41   her next dress and show up [TS]

00:20:43   mom I mean use their skills like that [TS]

00:20:45   Robert De Niro movie where he went [TS]

00:20:49   it's a movie that you see on an airplane [TS]

00:20:50   where he went and got a job after he was [TS]

00:20:54   retired i think is Wi-Fi all right with [TS]

00:20:57   the girl family miss and was the girl [TS]

00:20:58   that he was the intern he was the intern [TS]

00:21:01   right into teaching now in turn he would [TS]

00:21:03   have been a vice president at a company [TS]

00:21:06   that made rockets [TS]

00:21:08   yeah in the very building that she had [TS]

00:21:11   now started her fashions on my gosh what [TS]

00:21:13   are the chances and then every morning [TS]

00:21:15   he got up and he put on his tie is so [TS]

00:21:18   elegant and then it turned out he knew [TS]

00:21:21   everything because he was a wise sage [TS]

00:21:23   yeah he was he was like basically [TS]

00:21:24   driving miss daisy um but I think the [TS]

00:21:28   attorneys for each side have something [TS]

00:21:30   very particular in mind and who they're [TS]

00:21:33   looking for and and and honestly they [TS]

00:21:36   don't want somebody who's there to take [TS]

00:21:38   up a chair [TS]

00:21:39   they want they want somebody who [TS]

00:21:41   they might want somebody who's kind of [TS]

00:21:43   frustrated with the system think about [TS]

00:21:44   that depending on website or you want [TS]

00:21:46   somebody who is going to see through you [TS]

00:21:49   know to not have a preconception about a [TS]

00:21:51   certain side and if you and maybe you [TS]

00:21:53   want somebody who's a little cynical [TS]

00:21:55   about the system [TS]

00:21:56   what about a guy what about a [TS]

00:21:57   middle-aged guy who is bouncing up and [TS]

00:21:58   down in his chair going Oh see on the [TS]

00:22:00   face of it feels like that should really [TS]

00:22:02   work right feels it feels like that [TS]

00:22:04   would be just the thing that would say [TS]

00:22:06   look at this little fellow here I really [TS]

00:22:07   want to be here i want to do a good job [TS]

00:22:09   i will listen to the jury instructions i [TS]

00:22:11   will really listen to them [TS]

00:22:13   yeah i will get every little every last [TS]

00:22:15   every last comment in the jury [TS]

00:22:17   instructions because that's the type of [TS]

00:22:18   thing i like to give you a pad of paper [TS]

00:22:20   that's nice you can write things down [TS]

00:22:21   you can make notes but no chance there's [TS]

00:22:24   no chance I can't just go down and like [TS]

00:22:25   sit out front [TS]

00:22:27   I should I should go down to the [TS]

00:22:28   courthouse it out front with a sign and [TS]

00:22:30   say why like I'm on strike against the [TS]

00:22:33   court system why I never did know how [TS]

00:22:35   does taylor swift get called but not you [TS]

00:22:37   terry taylor swift got called to a jury [TS]

00:22:39   oh yeah she took selfies with everybody [TS]

00:22:41   well this is the thing I'm United I [TS]

00:22:43   wouldn't change it you're both you're [TS]

00:22:45   both prominent rock musicians if you can [TS]

00:22:47   take selfies with other jurors I'm gonna [TS]

00:22:49   be good at that too look I don't think [TS]

00:22:50   she was probably construction should i [TS]

00:22:52   do and you would have probably a great [TS]

00:22:54   outfit every day you look fantastic [TS]

00:22:55   people think they would be proud to have [TS]

00:22:57   them to be judged by you to be treated [TS]

00:22:58   by you [TS]

00:22:59   thank you i think there'd be you know [TS]

00:23:02   there'd be a 11 people up there couldn't [TS]

00:23:05   true and mhm and and and you know i [TS]

00:23:09   would look like amazing [TS]

00:23:10   it's too bad you can't just go and like [TS]

00:23:12   wish it was a little bit more like a [TS]

00:23:13   cafeteria where you could go and say [TS]

00:23:15   like you know there's my budget for this [TS]

00:23:17   like I don't like something it's not too [TS]

00:23:19   dramatic record be out in 24 days right [TS]

00:23:22   asian nation in panel juries at the [TS]

00:23:24   start of the week they should know all [TS]

00:23:26   their cases [TS]

00:23:27   mhm and they should say who wants to be [TS]

00:23:28   on a one-day trial right everybody put [TS]

00:23:30   their hands up you know and it's like [TS]

00:23:32   who wants to be on a trial that [TS]

00:23:34   potentially could go for months [TS]

00:23:36   yes and they would be there be plenty of [TS]

00:23:38   people that were like you know what me [TS]

00:23:40   yeah meet me I want that I oh yeah so [TS]

00:23:45   anyway you are right here on the cusp of [TS]

00:23:48   an historic day [TS]

00:23:49   ya tomorrow yeah it's going to be [TS]

00:23:52   historic [TS]

00:23:53   God and everything is happening it's all [TS]

00:23:56   happening at once all the built up [TS]

00:23:58   stress of all these months [TS]

00:23:59   yeah and you're going to be sitting [TS]

00:24:00   somewhere listening to opening remarks I [TS]

00:24:03   don't know we'll see i'll find out today [TS]

00:24:05   find out this afternoon when reloading [TS]

00:24:07   the website sometimes they put up the [TS]

00:24:09   notice little bit early [TS]

00:24:10   mhm oo laga vault is what we say in a [TS]

00:24:13   situation like this [TS]

00:24:14   yeah Mazel Tov cocktail yeah and I I i [TS]

00:24:18   want to wish you good good good speed [TS]

00:24:20   thank you you sound really good today [TS]

00:24:23   what's going on you sound the sound did [TS]

00:24:25   you did you would never make it to the [TS]

00:24:26   pharmacy I did I did [TS]

00:24:28   I'm reupped on my on my pharmaceuticals [TS]

00:24:31   how this is great news [TS]

00:24:33   yeah and but you know I spent the [TS]

00:24:35   weekend down in a cabin on the water [TS]

00:24:40   yeah in the general vicinity of olympia [TS]

00:24:43   washington uh-huh and I was with the [TS]

00:24:45   with some friends I brought my daughter [TS]

00:24:47   my lady friend was there some other pals [TS]

00:24:51   and we watched the bald eagles fly [TS]

00:24:53   around all that sounds really nice made [TS]

00:24:55   some you know is one of those things [TS]

00:24:57   where you spend eight hours making [TS]

00:25:00   dinner [TS]

00:25:00   well that's that's that's a nice day [TS]

00:25:02   that we decided that we had the big [TS]

00:25:04   carnival at school this weekend which [TS]

00:25:05   was which is a lot of work but uh but [TS]

00:25:08   but it's nice to have something that [TS]

00:25:09   distracts the mind a little bit with a [TS]

00:25:12   family that's a nice thing [TS]

00:25:13   yeah it was it was good and and now i'm [TS]

00:25:16   back here in the town and this is this [TS]

00:25:21   is a busy week for me course because [TS]

00:25:23   several months ago or something someone [TS]

00:25:27   wrote me an email which often happens [TS]

00:25:29   and they said hey I've got a great idea [TS]

00:25:32   why don't you curate a show for election [TS]

00:25:36   night em and I was like that sounds [TS]

00:25:39   right up your alley [TS]

00:25:40   yeah curated show for election night [TS]

00:25:41   that's a wonderful idea yeah it'll be [TS]

00:25:43   great curated show for election night [TS]

00:25:45   okay great but then as time wore on the [TS]

00:25:51   show is a kind of shit like a regular [TS]

00:25:53   show that they do and they just have [TS]

00:25:55   guest curators come in but the Regular [TS]

00:25:57   Show has a real format [TS]

00:25:59   ok and so the formatted is not being [TS]

00:26:01   altered at all for the election night [TS]

00:26:04   and the format [TS]

00:26:06   office like okay i guess ii which is [TS]

00:26:08   what can I ask what the format is well [TS]

00:26:10   the format is get three songwriters who [TS]

00:26:14   then sit onstage with one another and [TS]

00:26:16   interact with each other and like play [TS]

00:26:18   on one another's tunes which right away [TS]

00:26:21   is a ton of work for it's a lot more [TS]

00:26:25   than it sounds like it's yeah you don't [TS]

00:26:27   just get up and I'll Jam with you on [TS]

00:26:28   your tune like you have to learn 100 [TS]

00:26:30   songs have to rehearse them you have to [TS]

00:26:32   care you have to be into it right you [TS]

00:26:35   can just pick three random musicians [TS]

00:26:38   they all have to have respect for one [TS]

00:26:39   another and be into playing on one [TS]

00:26:41   another songs and play the right part be [TS]

00:26:44   supportive it's not always going to be [TS]

00:26:45   George Harrison eric clapton yeah right [TS]

00:26:48   and I you know I've seen shows where [TS]

00:26:50   everyone onstage totally respected one [TS]

00:26:53   another as songwriters but didn't [TS]

00:26:55   actually want to jam or want to play on [TS]

00:27:01   one you know that like like i did a tour [TS]

00:27:03   one time with like some very notable [TS]

00:27:06   people who were trying to do this thing [TS]

00:27:09   on to ER and at a certain point one of [TS]

00:27:11   the songwriters was like you know what [TS]

00:27:13   this doesn't really i feel like i am not [TS]

00:27:17   really into these other people's songs [TS]

00:27:20   that much [TS]

00:27:21   creatively I know interesting and it was [TS]

00:27:23   like hmm what about you know like uh [TS]

00:27:26   well I guess right that that has an [TS]

00:27:33   internal integrity to it you know like [TS]

00:27:35   in a way that the because at first [TS]

00:27:38   you're like that's not being a very good [TS]

00:27:40   sport but then when you think about it [TS]

00:27:42   what the comment was effectively was you [TS]

00:27:46   know music is sacred calling to me and [TS]

00:27:50   so I feel like I'm doing everyone a [TS]

00:27:52   disservice by playing half acidly on [TS]

00:27:55   this stuff that I can't get my whole [TS]

00:27:57   soul behind and so at the end of the day [TS]

00:28:00   or like [TS]

00:28:02   that's taking it more seriously than i [TS]

00:28:04   was taking it is out under fashion [TS]

00:28:06   opt-out jangling jangling I mean you [TS]

00:28:09   know and and so and I wasn't like one of [TS]

00:28:12   the players I was just I was just a was [TS]

00:28:16   actually the driver on that tour but [TS]

00:28:18   anyway so it's a bigger deal than just [TS]

00:28:22   ya throat three people up there and [TS]

00:28:24   they're going to gym with each other and [TS]

00:28:25   then here's the rest of the format [TS]

00:28:28   there will also be a poet whose onstage [TS]

00:28:31   with the three musicians are you with me [TS]

00:28:35   yes so far see where we're going am in [TS]

00:28:37   two painters who are painting during no [TS]

00:28:43   really [TS]

00:28:44   and so I this all kind of like came out [TS]

00:28:46   gradually like Al i'll do a show and [TS]

00:28:49   then I'm kind of a month of silence went [TS]

00:28:50   by and I was like all right we should [TS]

00:28:51   start talking about that show okay great [TS]

00:28:53   its election night what I was thinking [TS]

00:28:54   is that get up there with some friends [TS]

00:28:56   we play a song that we talked about the [TS]

00:28:58   election we talk about the thing we [TS]

00:29:02   rapidly rap about about the the night [TS]

00:29:05   and then maybe play another song and and [TS]

00:29:08   the person who runs the thing what came [TS]

00:29:10   back was like yeah uh except for that's [TS]

00:29:15   not how we do the show [TS]

00:29:16   here's how we do the show was like and [TS]

00:29:18   that with every iteration of like here's [TS]

00:29:20   how we do the show I was like oh uh yeah [TS]

00:29:24   alright yeah I get it [TS]

00:29:25   female poet and and some painters yeah [TS]

00:29:29   I've been on stage with painters before [TS]

00:29:31   this is this i don't know man is that [TS]

00:29:34   this feels gimmicky well sure that's the [TS]

00:29:38   thing it's a gimmick but I mean it [TS]

00:29:41   sounds like a project runway and when [TS]

00:29:42   they ask people to be inspired by a [TS]

00:29:44   bridge or a theme park ride and yeah I'm [TS]

00:29:46   not really sure that talent operation [TS]

00:29:47   works [TS]

00:29:48   yeah right two good-looking you can you [TS]

00:29:50   be inspired by the flashcard go [TS]

00:29:52   yeah and so and and also like it's not [TS]

00:29:56   at that point it's not me doing a show [TS]

00:30:00   it's me filling the role [TS]

00:30:02   for me the shooting me me now neither [TS]

00:30:06   UMC roll Yeah right [TS]

00:30:10   and so as time went on like I kind of [TS]

00:30:12   get less and less interested in it i [TS]

00:30:14   procured a couple of great musicians for [TS]

00:30:16   it but you know my butt and they're [TS]

00:30:19   gonna be amazing but like em I shit my [TS]

00:30:23   spot wasn't in it like a I i could I can [TS]

00:30:26   picture it going down and and I can him [TS]

00:30:31   see a thing like that because I'm not [TS]

00:30:32   someone who's like the spirit and soul [TS]

00:30:34   of my emceeing duties pro precludes me [TS]

00:30:38   from being a part of this like the dog [TS]

00:30:41   and pony show [TS]

00:30:42   yeah like no I will emcee your gamer you [TS]

00:30:45   get out there MC yeah sure the release [TS]

00:30:47   of the new chevy camaro i would judge [TS]

00:30:49   that's a that's a show i'll couple the [TS]

00:30:52   microphone like you could hand me a [TS]

00:30:53   microphone at add up and a like legal [TS]

00:30:57   execution and I would be like thanks [TS]

00:30:59   everybody for coming [TS]

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00:33:42   uh so is everybody comfortable alright [TS]

00:33:45   let's get started so but then as time [TS]

00:33:49   went on it was like now wait a minute [TS]

00:33:50   this is not just a thing [TS]

00:33:52   this is not in the category of things [TS]

00:33:54   that I kind of agreed to do and then [TS]

00:33:56   just sort of don't want to do as as it [TS]

00:33:58   gets closer to the show which is which [TS]

00:34:00   is a a a big category this is actually a [TS]

00:34:03   night that i would rather be somewhere [TS]

00:34:04   else because I've been getting a lot of [TS]

00:34:07   invitations like come to our election [TS]

00:34:08   night party it's gonna be insane and I'm [TS]

00:34:10   like I would like to do that rather I [TS]

00:34:13   would let a rather be a i would rather [TS]

00:34:16   be somewhere other than onstage with two [TS]

00:34:19   painters and poets and while you know [TS]

00:34:23   while three musicians like like [TS]

00:34:25   good-naturedly labor their way through a [TS]

00:34:28   show and cologne off Annie just like so [TS]

00:34:32   this is a song that I wrote a few years [TS]

00:34:35   back and then everybody else is kind of [TS]

00:34:36   chin on hand going hm and you know in [TS]

00:34:42   the end the the main person of the thing [TS]

00:34:44   is standing in the back around the room [TS]

00:34:46   is half-full because none of us have [TS]

00:34:47   bothered to promote it or maybe the room [TS]

00:34:49   is 18 full which is going to be even [TS]

00:34:51   better because because its a night where [TS]

00:34:53   other people also want to be doing [TS]

00:34:55   something else and the guys are saying [TS]

00:34:57   this is tomorrow night [TS]

00:34:58   you have tomorrow and tonight at the [TS]

00:35:00   2016 presidential election that's [TS]

00:35:02   correct [TS]

00:35:03   now we're both in an awkward position [TS]

00:35:04   here this is proof yeah we are and in [TS]

00:35:07   fact i sent an email this past weekend [TS]

00:35:09   was like look we haven't really promoted [TS]

00:35:10   this there aren't that many people [TS]

00:35:12   coming [TS]

00:35:12   clearly we haven't prepared at all so [TS]

00:35:16   why don't we just put postpone this and [TS]

00:35:19   the person running it wrote me back very [TS]

00:35:21   carefully was like haha I totally know [TS]

00:35:24   we're coming from but we've never [TS]

00:35:26   postponed to show we are no he said we [TS]

00:35:28   don't postpone these I was like we don't [TS]

00:35:32   postpone these um like we don't we don't [TS]

00:35:37   put our elbows on the table we don't we [TS]

00:35:40   don't take a crap on the table we do it [TS]

00:35:42   we do it no matter what right and I felt [TS]

00:35:45   like well if that's the case then you [TS]

00:35:47   must have a contingency plan for when I [TS]

00:35:49   don't do it failure is not an option but [TS]

00:35:52   i don't but i didn't do that of course [TS]

00:35:53   because I track its porky the MC yeah [TS]

00:35:56   and so I was like em right have you have [TS]

00:35:59   you have you attended one of these no [TS]

00:36:01   okay no because over them they have been [TS]

00:36:04   doing this for a long time but this is [TS]

00:36:06   not the kind of show I typically would [TS]

00:36:08   go to unless someone specifically [TS]

00:36:10   invited me and it met the following [TS]

00:36:13   criteria I cared about the performers I [TS]

00:36:17   didn't have anything else to do i [TS]

00:36:20   happened to be in the neighborhood right [TS]

00:36:22   and someone took me by the hand and said [TS]

00:36:26   I'd never seen the likes of McNamara's [TS]

00:36:28   and why not come with them now and none [TS]

00:36:35   of those things that ever happened and [TS]

00:36:36   so and everything is it takes place in [TS]

00:36:40   an old church i think and also it has [TS]

00:36:44   always big league had a sort of churchy [TS]

00:36:48   vibe in the sense that you know the [TS]

00:36:51   Seattle music scene 10 years ago 10 to [TS]

00:36:56   12 years ago there was a new sort of [TS]

00:37:00   very evangelical element that came into [TS]

00:37:04   the music scene interesting that was a [TS]

00:37:06   thing where a lot of kids that had grown [TS]

00:37:08   up with evangelical parents were in [TS]

00:37:11   churches where rock and roll was not [TS]

00:37:13   only permitted but encouraged ok like [TS]

00:37:15   the the worship band was a rock band [TS]

00:37:19   rather than on rock band and so it was [TS]

00:37:22   an element of you know it's like when [TS]

00:37:25   the minister's started to have tattoos [TS]

00:37:26   and started to do you remember did you [TS]

00:37:29   ever see the long winters on tour where [TS]

00:37:30   Shawn Nelson bought an extreme teen [TS]

00:37:33   bible and every you know between songs [TS]

00:37:35   he would just read excerpts final [TS]

00:37:37   remember that but i have heard about [TS]

00:37:38   this is a kind of famous Bible yeah the [TS]

00:37:40   extreme teen bible where all the Bible [TS]

00:37:42   verses had been written had been [TS]

00:37:44   rewritten in in terms you know in in [TS]

00:37:48   what they imagine where the language of [TS]

00:37:50   extreme team boy and we had one of these [TS]

00:37:53   a long time ago we it was a it was one [TS]

00:37:56   of our gimmicks reread it for one tour [TS]

00:37:58   at the met the Old Testament would be [TS]

00:38:01   pretty interesting mean really good so [TS]

00:38:03   many extreme parts and you know Shawn [TS]

00:38:06   Nelson is a great reader louder and he [TS]

00:38:09   did a little bit dramatic interp [TS]

00:38:11   but anyway so the extreme-teen [TS]

00:38:13   rock-and-roll things started to come [TS]

00:38:16   into the Seattle music scene kind of [TS]

00:38:18   heavy it was just sort of they're all of [TS]

00:38:21   a sudden and those of us who had been in [TS]

00:38:23   the music scene for a long time like [TS]

00:38:24   what the who and david bazan being one [TS]

00:38:27   of the big one of the earliest and sort [TS]

00:38:29   of most prominence people in this thing [TS]

00:38:33   but it turned out that segment of the [TS]

00:38:36   scene which was a large you know twenty [TS]

00:38:39   percent probably of the music scene at a [TS]

00:38:41   certain point produced a lot of big rock [TS]

00:38:46   bands like the head and the heart came [TS]

00:38:47   out of that and a and father john misty [TS]

00:38:51   and you know like a lot and a lot of [TS]

00:38:53   them lost their a as they became more [TS]

00:38:57   you know basically let's just say drugs [TS]

00:39:00   and sex whenever the kind of late [TS]

00:39:02   transition but a lot of people good and [TS]

00:39:05   so this venue and this experience over [TS]

00:39:08   there with the painters in the poet and [TS]

00:39:09   always had a little bit of a vibe of [TS]

00:39:11   being part of that scene and that seems [TS]

00:39:14   always been a little difficult to [TS]

00:39:15   navigate because it's never over to [TS]

00:39:19   nobody says nobody ever has said that [TS]

00:39:21   I've seen from the stage anything [TS]

00:39:24   remotely proselytizing it's just they're [TS]

00:39:29   like hey everybody thanks for coming to [TS]

00:39:30   the show and then they play the show and [TS]

00:39:32   there's all the kind of in coded [TS]

00:39:35   language in the songs about lifting [TS]

00:39:38   oneself up that dog was a face you get [TS]

00:39:41   all the dog whistles within the tunes [TS]

00:39:43   but all kind of in extreme teen language [TS]

00:39:46   and so the people better looking for the [TS]

00:39:48   people that are there because the band [TS]

00:39:50   is also in their church [TS]

00:39:52   um they're all like nodding and going [TS]

00:39:54   like yes [TS]

00:39:56   like who this past year at the puyallup [TS]

00:39:59   fair which is the Washington State Fair [TS]

00:40:01   there was a there's a tent where they do [TS]

00:40:04   them and the sort of community cultural [TS]

00:40:08   events like the the tide answers like [TS]

00:40:12   people that are in their inner in there [TS]

00:40:14   practicing their own sort of a culture [TS]

00:40:18   of of a particular community like it [TS]

00:40:21   there at one point during the day will [TS]

00:40:23   be ethiopian drummers [TS]

00:40:24   and then it will be so forth and so you [TS]

00:40:26   know and I and I went by I went by the [TS]

00:40:31   10 at one point and there were these [TS]

00:40:32   wonderful women doing this sort of you [TS]

00:40:35   this ballet like but modern like they're [TS]

00:40:38   doing modern ballet across the stage and [TS]

00:40:40   there's no one in the audience and so I [TS]

00:40:44   think this is wonderful and obviously [TS]

00:40:46   I'm with my daughter and sheep is [TS]

00:40:48   intrigued and all the women are in kind [TS]

00:40:51   of like different shades of pastel sort [TS]

00:40:55   of flowing angelic costume and they're [TS]

00:41:01   doing this wonderful dancing and so we [TS]

00:41:03   go over we sit down in the chair and [TS]

00:41:05   there and and they're obviously like [TS]

00:41:08   both really talented dancers and also [TS]

00:41:10   really sincere about what they're doing [TS]

00:41:12   and I was really drawn in and so was a [TS]

00:41:18   little one and then at one point one of [TS]

00:41:23   the because because they're be group [TS]

00:41:25   dancing and then on either side of the [TS]

00:41:26   stage they would be the dancers in [TS]

00:41:28   waiting and there was something about [TS]

00:41:30   the way that they that they constructed [TS]

00:41:32   their act so that these dancers would [TS]

00:41:36   move kind of like a wave over in this [TS]

00:41:37   direction and then they would pick up [TS]

00:41:39   one of the dancers that was on the side [TS]

00:41:41   she would join their little motion and [TS]

00:41:44   they spin around and then wave around [TS]

00:41:46   and then two of them would drop off the [TS]

00:41:48   other side of the stage and then they'd [TS]

00:41:50   spin around and then one of them would [TS]

00:41:52   come on from you was like really a fluid [TS]

00:41:54   motion sensor network [TS]

00:41:57   it was great you know a lot of work and [TS]

00:42:01   then at one point one of the dancers on [TS]

00:42:02   the other side i noticed had one hand up [TS]

00:42:05   in the air palm out and was eyes closed [TS]

00:42:09   kind of like head lifted into the [TS]

00:42:13   heavens [TS]

00:42:14   hi there there exalting a little bit [TS]

00:42:16   yeah well at first I didn't recognize [TS]

00:42:18   what it was I thought maybe it was part [TS]

00:42:20   of the dance and and I was even more [TS]

00:42:22   intrigued because i thought oh wait are [TS]

00:42:24   the dancers in waiting on the side of [TS]

00:42:26   the stage also in the dance and I'm just [TS]

00:42:29   not paying attention to them but in in [TS]

00:42:31   standing there watching the dance [TS]

00:42:32   they're also actually did that they [TS]

00:42:34   should be regarded as being on [TS]

00:42:36   per centum yeah there they are part of [TS]

00:42:38   the offstage as part of the stage [TS]

00:42:39   because you know it's all exposed and I [TS]

00:42:42   was like what is going on and then I saw [TS]

00:42:44   and she was kind of like singing along [TS]

00:42:46   with the music and then I then I was [TS]

00:42:49   like oh is that some exaltation is that [TS]

00:42:52   like some and I maybe a 1.2 put her hand [TS]

00:42:56   over heart and then I started to see a [TS]

00:42:58   couple other of the dancers also [TS]

00:43:00   behaving in this fashion and so I tuned [TS]

00:43:03   into the music a little bit more and it [TS]

00:43:06   was because it was rock music it wasn't [TS]

00:43:08   they were dancing not to classical music [TS]

00:43:10   but to like a pretty rock and electric [TS]

00:43:14   pop I tuned in to the music and started [TS]

00:43:17   to hear that dog whistling lyrics about [TS]

00:43:22   i mean i can't duplicate the lyrics but [TS]

00:43:25   definitely like stuff that was about [TS]

00:43:27   well it probably like like freedom you [TS]

00:43:32   made eternity being together forever [TS]

00:43:36   gress people guiding you not you know [TS]

00:43:39   like the loaves and two fishes which is [TS]

00:43:42   a great lyric and then I realized oh my [TS]

00:43:46   goodness this is a rockin modern ballet [TS]

00:43:50   evangelical troupe who rather than do a [TS]

00:43:57   kind of Mennonite costume got into super [TS]

00:44:00   good [TS]

00:44:01   I mean they're because they're all while [TS]

00:44:03   women between the ages of 20 and 25 and [TS]

00:44:07   they're all great dancers and all you [TS]

00:44:11   know live in this and so I was like what [TS]

00:44:14   community of evangelical Christians can [TS]

00:44:17   produce this like what was that what [TS]

00:44:20   started it was it like in the church and [TS]

00:44:23   then someone said hey who wants to [TS]

00:44:25   audition for the dance troupe or was it [TS]

00:44:27   did it start as a dance troupe and then [TS]

00:44:29   they all converted Raven but but there's [TS]

00:44:32   that idea of using one's talents to [TS]

00:44:34   serve the Lord right it would just which [TS]

00:44:37   way to that where did that come from [TS]

00:44:38   yeah and how do you how do you gather [TS]

00:44:40   unto you onto your flock 25 great dance [TS]

00:44:44   it wasn't like there was one really good [TS]

00:44:45   dancer and a bunch of people kind of [TS]

00:44:47   just winging it [TS]

00:44:48   yeah it's not it's not just [TS]

00:44:49   regular people in the church they're [TS]

00:44:50   like hey let's use dance it was no we're [TS]

00:44:53   all we all came we all studied and [TS]

00:44:55   that's a very interesting project [TS]

00:44:56   because how do you get 25 really good [TS]

00:44:59   dancers to do anything regardless of [TS]

00:45:01   like where they're coming from [TS]

00:45:03   let alone you know I mean it's just like [TS]

00:45:06   saying we would we're gonna put together [TS]

00:45:08   a dance troupe of people that you know [TS]

00:45:11   like of the greatest chess players in [TS]

00:45:14   the region who also are amazing dancers [TS]

00:45:16   and I guess there are probably more [TS]

00:45:18   there are probably more Christian [TS]

00:45:21   dancers than there are chess-playing [TS]

00:45:22   dancers or like top shelf just playing [TS]

00:45:25   games the top but it's hard to know [TS]

00:45:27   because it's like it's a it's a part of [TS]

00:45:30   a pie chart it's like a subset of the [TS]

00:45:32   pie I mean there's not that many of any [TS]

00:45:34   of those things but then when you get [TS]

00:45:35   that down to number of people who have [TS]

00:45:37   an evangelical bent and then the smaller [TS]

00:45:39   number that are willing to combine those [TS]

00:45:41   you can do a pretty thin slice of pie [TS]

00:45:43   well yeah and it's like it's not just [TS]

00:45:45   dancers right there there were no there [TS]

00:45:48   were no people up on stage who had [TS]

00:45:49   majored in hip-hop dance [TS]

00:45:51   I mean it's like classically trained [TS]

00:45:53   dancers are they could all go up on [TS]

00:45:54   point they were all they were all [TS]

00:45:56   leapers you know so I so within the [TS]

00:46:00   within the Seattle music scene there's a [TS]

00:46:03   similar kind of thing like the the rock [TS]

00:46:06   the Christian rock overlap here is all [TS]

00:46:09   very beardy it's all very band Joey and [TS]

00:46:13   it's all like you know tight pants and [TS]

00:46:16   and what we formerly would have said [TS]

00:46:18   were chained wallets but they don't you [TS]

00:46:20   know nobody wears a chain wallet anymore [TS]

00:46:22   and and so it's a it's this you know [TS]

00:46:26   it's a scene within a scene which is all [TS]

00:46:30   to say this is one more very smart i [TS]

00:46:32   mean i'm i'm not i'm not kept out of [TS]

00:46:35   that scene at all some of the people in [TS]

00:46:36   that scene are very good friends and [TS]

00:46:38   musical even musical collaborators [TS]

00:46:40   so what that but it's just another small [TS]

00:46:43   thing that would have kept me from going [TS]

00:46:45   to see this painter poet thing because [TS]

00:46:48   it sort of like known you know like I [TS]

00:46:51   hear your dog whistle but I'm not a dog [TS]

00:46:53   you know [TS]

00:46:55   I do the reason keep turning it over in [TS]

00:46:58   this particular way is like this [TS]

00:47:00   did the the you you you put it well with [TS]

00:47:03   that with the first basic layer which is [TS]

00:47:04   there's going to be these three [TS]

00:47:05   musicians that are interacting playing [TS]

00:47:06   to their songs which as you described as [TS]

00:47:08   is pretty complicated stuff [TS]

00:47:10   yeah but it doesn't stop there because [TS]

00:47:12   they don't you you've got the this other [TS]

00:47:14   like you know there was it the musicians [TS]

00:47:16   of bremen or whatever one's called [TS]

00:47:19   remember that were they animal stand on [TS]

00:47:20   each other shoulders now the musicians [TS]

00:47:22   of bremen someone's calm i was called [TS]

00:47:24   something like that but you get the [TS]

00:47:25   drift I think it's the music I think [TS]

00:47:27   it's the biggest the lipizzaner play out [TS]

00:47:30   yeah [TS]

00:47:31   dr. stocke music yeah the dot-dot-dot [TS]

00:47:33   because I guess that stock out don't [TS]

00:47:36   give me it's not a bad idea i'm doctor [TS]

00:47:39   doctor dresdin a thousand-dollar the [TS]

00:47:42   Stardust monkey down and yes but then [TS]

00:47:45   you add in the poly and then yeah I the [TS]

00:47:48   painter supposed to be painting based on [TS]

00:47:50   how they feel of what they're watching [TS]

00:47:53   or the illustrators of the scene because [TS]

00:47:55   that they're trying to get at is is that [TS]

00:47:58   I i I'm sometimes intrigued and often [TS]

00:48:01   very befuddled by the abstract idea of [TS]

00:48:04   what other people who find entertaining [TS]

00:48:06   and almost feels like a stoner chef were [TS]

00:48:09   like you're going to come up with these [TS]

00:48:10   really crazy ideas that sound really [TS]

00:48:12   good in your head might actually be kind [TS]

00:48:14   of fun if you're super high but for [TS]

00:48:15   somebody who's not that's not [TS]

00:48:17   you're not going to get a sitter to go [TS]

00:48:18   to the stoner restaurant and I'm saying [TS]

00:48:20   instead I think there's this very fairly [TS]

00:48:23   abstract idea of look what constitutes [TS]

00:48:27   entertainment because reasons because [TS]

00:48:29   like you have a certain way of thinking [TS]

00:48:31   about things but like that sounds like a [TS]

00:48:33   first draft of an event to me right that [TS]

00:48:35   does not sound like something I would [TS]

00:48:36   return to a lot and maybe that's just [TS]

00:48:38   because I'm not collect enough to [TS]

00:48:40   appreciate the the beaux-arts all going [TS]

00:48:42   together like that but that it feels [TS]

00:48:44   very abstract so this so in my music [TS]

00:48:47   career this has happened now several [TS]

00:48:48   times like there's a there's that show [TS]

00:48:50   in portland that I often do live wire [TS]

00:48:52   which is sort of a old old-timey radio [TS]

00:48:55   show but but new tiny but they have you [TS]

00:48:58   know they have fully artists they have [TS]

00:48:59   people doing skits left is another show [TS]

00:49:02   that that sounds kind of like right like [TS]

00:49:04   radio radio here we come up here comes [TS]

00:49:08   more [TS]

00:49:08   just like you do a lot of garrison [TS]

00:49:10   keillor fans coming up to defend [TS]

00:49:12   riparian companion to you sure that [TS]

00:49:14   you've never heard I got a lot i got a [TS]

00:49:16   lot of like how you know how dare you [TS]

00:49:17   and I was like I'm not listen I said [TS]

00:49:19   very clearly i've never heard very own [TS]

00:49:21   companion i'm just shitting on it from [TS]

00:49:23   afar as well you know there's a lot in [TS]

00:49:27   this culture and I'm I'm guilty of this [TS]

00:49:28   where you're just you're just shooting [TS]

00:49:30   on things with a t-shirt cannon right [TS]

00:49:32   like I see that [TS]

00:49:33   hey you up there this dance with walk up [TS]

00:49:35   but button so there was a there was a [TS]

00:49:40   person named Scott pool who was the poet [TS]

00:49:44   laureate of a lot of the livewire shows [TS]

00:49:46   i did who watch the show throughout the [TS]

00:49:48   show and then at the end of the show got [TS]

00:49:50   up and performed a poem sort of an epic [TS]

00:49:52   poem that he'd written about the show he [TS]

00:49:54   just watched oh my goodness he was a [TS]

00:49:56   talented poet and a funny person and he [TS]

00:49:58   would read these bones and you'd be like [TS]

00:49:59   you know I was wincing as you walked up [TS]

00:50:02   on the stage at the prospect of thinking [TS]

00:50:03   it but hearing a poem about this show [TS]

00:50:05   but that was pretty good you know like i [TS]

00:50:07   like that that was good i don't know if [TS]

00:50:09   i would buy a book of them but you know [TS]

00:50:11   so I've done shows where there was an [TS]

00:50:14   element of this and then a few times [TS]

00:50:17   I've been on stage with a painter or at [TS]

00:50:20   least seen a painter onstage with really [TS]

00:50:22   one time that I feel like this is the [TS]

00:50:24   first I've ever heard of that now so [TS]

00:50:26   this is the best I don't know if it's a [TS]

00:50:27   thing but it's been enough of us can see [TS]

00:50:30   somebody doodling at a conference i have [TS]

00:50:32   a friend is one of those people who's [TS]

00:50:34   he's a doodler and the conference goers [TS]

00:50:36   and he brings to get together too much [TS]

00:50:38   wonderful effect will doodle his version [TS]

00:50:40   of like have this one big one panel a [TS]

00:50:42   page of a person's talk that can be [TS]

00:50:45   really illuminating and one of the [TS]

00:50:47   better summaries of what you've just [TS]

00:50:48   seen like I could see that like somebody [TS]

00:50:50   sitting there with a black pen and a [TS]

00:50:52   piece of paper so that person that [TS]

00:50:54   you're describing has actually doodled [TS]

00:50:56   one of my talks all right and and [TS]

00:50:59   economic on was done by that this game [TS]

00:51:01   talk about david gray he's a good dude [TS]

00:51:04   learns that I kind of me that i use [TS]

00:51:05   everywhere is is from he did the stuff [TS]

00:51:08   for the Merlin show remember that show [TS]

00:51:09   that you won't [TS]

00:51:10   yeah that was that's all him yeah he did [TS]

00:51:14   me at added the XOXO conference and [TS]

00:51:16   you're right there's a central drawing [TS]

00:51:17   and then around a lot of thought bubbles [TS]

00:51:19   that I i enjoy this but actually at that [TS]

00:51:23   same talk another person was doing the [TS]

00:51:25   same thing like multiple people think [TS]

00:51:27   that that's a generous i think that's [TS]

00:51:28   kind of genre but this is not that right [TS]

00:51:30   now this is a painting or above adopt of [TS]

00:51:33   the bit is an oil painting [TS]

00:51:35   well there are two painters two sailors [TS]

00:51:38   it's just like finding a bunch of [TS]

00:51:40   evangelical dancers how do you find two [TS]

00:51:42   painters who will a paint in front of [TS]

00:51:46   people in the space of an hour and a [TS]

00:51:49   half the two painters is super [TS]

00:51:51   interesting to me for negative reasons [TS]

00:51:53   baseball because it certainly could [TS]

00:51:55   think about like oh you know uh [TS]

00:51:56   lin-manuel miranda is obviously the guy [TS]

00:51:59   who plays Hamilton but have your money [TS]

00:52:00   as his understudy he understands he's [TS]

00:52:02   the understudy in your house now is that [TS]

00:52:05   is one of the primary painter and the [TS]

00:52:07   other one is the backup and if not how [TS]

00:52:08   is it not a competition and what is a [TS]

00:52:10   backup paint [TS]

00:52:11   well it must be that they're both on [TS]

00:52:13   snare both lieutenant Colonel's painting [TS]

00:52:15   it's just that you can help ago that was [TS]

00:52:18   way better [TS]

00:52:19   well yeah and so are the painters on [TS]

00:52:21   opposite sides of the stage facing the [TS]

00:52:23   audience or are they [TS]

00:52:24   situated next to one another and like [TS]

00:52:26   looking at each other's painting as [TS]

00:52:28   they're painting like me that's right is [TS]

00:52:30   that I'm going to use brown too i don't [TS]

00:52:33   like haha i don't know i have no idea [TS]

00:52:36   having never been to the show right it's [TS]

00:52:38   just like like if somebody came to me [TS]

00:52:40   and said all right you have to put on an [TS]

00:52:42   episode of prairie home companion go i [TS]

00:52:44   would say alright and I'd step to the [TS]

00:52:46   microphone and say Lake Wobegon is a [TS]

00:52:49   little old town where everybody has a [TS]

00:52:51   good day and people are nice to one [TS]

00:52:54   another and what's done are you really [TS]

00:52:56   nailed it and you know here is an [TS]

00:52:59   advertiser false advertisement for some [TS]

00:53:01   old-timey flower and now we're going to [TS]

00:53:03   hear some banjo picking from this guy [TS]

00:53:07   standard brought awareness and banjo [TS]

00:53:09   picking from this painter while this [TS]

00:53:10   painter paints them you know and then i [TS]

00:53:13   might be able to you know [TS]

00:53:15   t-shirt cannon bullshitter of my way [TS]

00:53:17   through an hour and a half of that [TS]

00:53:18   matters are those shows four and a half [TS]

00:53:20   hours the two hours long as its [TS]

00:53:22   presented on the public radio and it's [TS]

00:53:24   probably in it right it's probably [TS]

00:53:25   careful editing before our long-term my [TS]

00:53:28   I imagine it's longer than they added it [TS]

00:53:30   down I [TS]

00:53:30   I would imagine 16 hours is right that [TS]

00:53:32   he writes that show everyone and I mean [TS]

00:53:34   that's the other guy but i mean god I've [TS]

00:53:36   always admired that about him that he p [TS]

00:53:38   wrote that show every week now he's [TS]

00:53:40   retired he's probably driving around in [TS]

00:53:42   a in a Volvo station wagon that has a [TS]

00:53:44   Ford v8 motor in it that was given to [TS]

00:53:46   him by Paul moment well that's nice [TS]

00:53:48   let me know what that's really nice yeah [TS]

00:53:50   that is nice but I so the two times I've [TS]

00:53:53   seen this done [TS]

00:53:53   one time I was on stage with john [TS]

00:53:55   hodgman in tucson arizona and there's a [TS]

00:53:58   local painter who painted an epically [TS]

00:54:01   sized mural a mural that went across the [TS]

00:54:04   entire back of the stage so we're [TS]

00:54:07   talking about 25 to 30 feet long and 10 [TS]

00:54:11   feet tall and he painted it throughout [TS]

00:54:14   the show and it was a picture of cthulhu [TS]

00:54:17   and cthulhu was with its many tentacles [TS]

00:54:21   grabbing both hodgman and me [TS]

00:54:25   wow really well represented and pulling [TS]

00:54:28   us you know into its cthulhu nightscape [TS]

00:54:32   it is that while the show is going on [TS]

00:54:34   all the show was going on and completed [TS]

00:54:37   it by the end of the show so that it was [TS]

00:54:39   like a complete work and like kind of [TS]

00:54:43   amazing so amazing that it felt like a [TS]

00:54:46   shame too because it's not a thing that [TS]

00:54:49   anybody would has even have space for [TS]

00:54:52   and if you did have space for it [TS]

00:54:53   probably you don't want to an epically [TS]

00:54:56   like multi-panel oil painting of me and [TS]

00:54:59   husband being dragged bike tool so but [TS]

00:55:03   but it also felt like too big of a too [TS]

00:55:05   great of a thing to just throw in a [TS]

00:55:07   dumpster and that was like a really [TS]

00:55:11   impressive work and in the space of the [TS]

00:55:12   show it didn't really intrude on the [TS]

00:55:15   show he just work back there doing his [TS]

00:55:17   thing and it just gradually produced an [TS]

00:55:22   effect of wow this is a this has been a [TS]

00:55:26   great show this and that's pretty that's [TS]

00:55:28   pretty awesome it was inspiring would [TS]

00:55:30   have to depend a lot on what the person [TS]

00:55:33   who is doing that work and how it turned [TS]

00:55:35   out right right and and and i think a [TS]

00:55:37   lot of it was the sort of tight wire act [TS]

00:55:40   of when he first started painting on [TS]

00:55:42   this giant can [TS]

00:55:43   dislike what this is going to be awful [TS]

00:55:46   you know this shows only two hours long [TS]

00:55:49   how can this possibly turn out and it [TS]

00:55:53   did but the other time I've seen i was [TS]

00:55:57   playing in a was playing a big show at [TS]

00:56:01   in the the Oregon State Capitol at a [TS]

00:56:06   university there and we were the the [TS]

00:56:11   headliners of the the universities like [TS]

00:56:13   spring flame and it was one of the great [TS]

00:56:16   it was one of the great sort of shows of [TS]

00:56:20   that era for us because all day long you [TS]

00:56:23   you felt like it was a it was a stage [TS]

00:56:26   set up on a big grassy field like the [TS]

00:56:28   quad and it and the audience was kind of [TS]

00:56:32   milling around as they so often do at [TS]

00:56:34   those events like sort of sparse on the [TS]

00:56:37   ground and we've played these shows as [TS]

00:56:40   not the headliner before like we played [TS]

00:56:42   a show it at Central Washington [TS]

00:56:44   University one time where the headliner [TS]

00:56:46   was somebody like sir mix-a-lot and we [TS]

00:56:49   played on a stage where you could have [TS]

00:56:52   you could have said hello to each [TS]

00:56:53   audience member by name and spoken to [TS]

00:56:56   them at length about their day and it [TS]

00:56:59   wouldn't have intruder on the shell and [TS]

00:57:02   those are terrible [TS]

00:57:03   I mean even when you're being paid a lot [TS]

00:57:05   of money to do them to just stand there [TS]

00:57:07   and play to an empty grass field is a [TS]

00:57:09   bad feeling alright so we were here at [TS]

00:57:12   this university we're playing this we're [TS]

00:57:13   watching the other bands and it's also [TS]

00:57:15   like 15 bands on stage and uh we're [TS]

00:57:19   watching the other bands and know the [TS]

00:57:21   audience is not very big and it's a big [TS]

00:57:25   field and we're like this is another one [TS]

00:57:28   of these bogus bogus things we played a [TS]

00:57:30   ski resort 12 her [TS]

00:57:31   actually wait a minute we played to ski [TS]

00:57:33   resorts both times opening for the [TS]

00:57:36   presidents of the united states of [TS]

00:57:37   america and one and one time in front of [TS]

00:57:40   the day lodge and it was another thing [TS]

00:57:42   where they were a bunch of people like [TS]

00:57:43   literally on skis watching us play and [TS]

00:57:46   it felt like this kind of a bummer and [TS]

00:57:49   then the presidents of the USA took the [TS]

00:57:51   stage and all of a sudden there were 900 [TS]

00:57:53   people [TS]

00:57:54   in ski boots all standing and snow [TS]

00:57:58   totally rocking out the second time it [TS]

00:58:01   was a better deal it was at the sundance [TS]

00:58:02   melts blood i digress and this was the [TS]

00:58:06   thing where when we took the stage at [TS]

00:58:07   the show in Oregon all of a sudden there [TS]

00:58:09   were 900 people there and they were [TS]

00:58:11   going crazy and it was like this is the [TS]

00:58:13   greatest night of our lives like how did [TS]

00:58:15   this happen where did they all come from [TS]

00:58:16   but anyway the band that played [TS]

00:58:19   immediately before us was a band that he [TS]

00:58:22   that you know their name now is is [TS]

00:58:25   fairly known in in any Rock circles and [TS]

00:58:28   let's call them like the rainbow [TS]

00:58:29   happiness band name is somewhat similar [TS]

00:58:33   to them occasionally rainbow goodtime [TS]

00:58:35   Charlie happiness band and one of their [TS]

00:58:40   elements in addition to several other [TS]

00:58:42   elements there psychedelic music was [TS]

00:58:45   that one of the members of the band was [TS]

00:58:47   sort of like des from the happy mondays [TS]

00:58:50   or there was another band that had that [TS]

00:58:53   hazel also had a dancer who is just a [TS]

00:58:56   member of the band [TS]

00:58:57   yeah but this band had a painter it was [TS]

00:59:01   a member of the band boy and she painted [TS]

00:59:04   throughout the show and we're talking [TS]

00:59:06   about a 45-minute show but made multiple [TS]

00:59:09   works of art during that time so it was [TS]

00:59:11   just sort of up there throwing paint and [TS]

00:59:13   canvas not literally Jackson Pollock and [TS]

00:59:16   she had brushes but she was like making [TS]

00:59:18   art is very very kinetic kinetic art [TS]

00:59:22   related to it wasn't like I'm making art [TS]

00:59:25   about the music it is i am a member of [TS]

00:59:28   this art troupe which is making music [TS]

00:59:32   and also visual arts and it was [TS]

00:59:36   interesting to watch and at the time [TS]

00:59:39   like a little bit little bit of a of a [TS]

00:59:44   of a line somewhere between like is this [TS]

00:59:46   a gimmick or is this the expression of [TS]

00:59:49   these people who really maybe all grew [TS]

00:59:53   up together living in a tree house and [TS]

00:59:55   maybe they're all brother and sister LOL [TS]

00:59:58   ok and also kind of feels [TS]

00:59:58   ok and also kind of feels [TS]

01:00:00   like something from the mid late sixties [TS]

01:00:03   late sixties early seventies right it [TS]

01:00:05   seems like something where you would you [TS]

01:00:07   would you calm you would all get [TS]

01:00:08   together and one person would make soup [TS]

01:00:10   and the other one play the tambourine [TS]

01:00:11   about it and then somebody would have [TS]

01:00:13   like an interpretive dance and this guy [TS]

01:00:14   over here [TS]

01:00:15   oh and it has no soon and somebody the [TS]

01:00:20   other day on the internet said that we [TS]

01:00:22   were a show with a bunch of callbacks in [TS]

01:00:24   it huh [TS]

01:00:25   and I was like you know there was a time [TS]

01:00:26   when I didn't I was very contemptuous of [TS]

01:00:29   shows that had callbacks [TS]

01:00:30   yeah it seemed seem lazy but then I [TS]

01:00:32   realized we do have callbacks and you [TS]

01:00:36   know go stuff yourself [TS]

01:00:37   yeah sit on it yeah my cousin our party [TS]

01:00:39   after nose with a rubber hose [TS]

01:00:41   yeah Boston Mass go to 134 stifling like [TS]

01:00:44   how do you like about them apples [TS]

01:00:46   that's right that's probably the 10,000 [TS]

01:00:48   time i said them apples [TS]

01:00:50   in any case indicate the thing is here's [TS]

01:00:55   the thing here's the thing about things [TS]

01:00:57   and so yeah right it felt like I mean [TS]

01:01:01   the grateful dead in the early days the [TS]

01:01:04   people that were doing and i think it's [TS]

01:01:05   a it's a person whose name is well known [TS]

01:01:07   within the within these scenes who sort [TS]

01:01:10   of started doing those oil-based light [TS]

01:01:13   shows [TS]

01:01:14   oh yeah sure like Fred look for the [TS]

01:01:15   electrical a NASA test stuff [TS]

01:01:18   yeah where they had you know they had [TS]

01:01:19   they had overhead projector they would [TS]

01:01:21   do that we think they did that at the [TS]

01:01:22   Timothy Leary shows here in San [TS]

01:01:24   Francisco [TS]

01:01:25   I'm sure they did you know where you [TS]

01:01:27   know you're dropping will colored oil on [TS]

01:01:29   the screen and it's making lobe lobular [TS]

01:01:31   stuff going around and I think that it [TS]

01:01:33   was at the time while like considered a [TS]

01:01:37   crucial part of the performance because [TS]

01:01:41   i don't know if you've ever seen a [TS]

01:01:42   picture of the grateful dead but looking [TS]

01:01:46   at them isn't really i mean like they're [TS]

01:01:49   not like only expand [TS]

01:01:51   well FML little drummer is kind of [TS]

01:01:54   good-looking which one [TS]

01:01:56   yeah the regular guy owned or Joe normal [TS]

01:01:59   oh yeah sure Bob where he's not he's not [TS]

01:02:01   handsome person right but where is the [TS]

01:02:04   handsomest member of the grateful dead [TS]

01:02:05   but there's always been something in [TS]

01:02:07   this [TS]

01:02:08   give up to i think the MIT know the [TS]

01:02:09   names of up to three people in the [TS]

01:02:10   Grateful Dead kreutzman mm I got to go [TS]

01:02:14   Papa Garcia got Jerry Garcia click on [TS]

01:02:16   daddy where they callin ya daddy bear [TS]

01:02:18   the brunt midland was the keyboard [TS]

01:02:20   player for a long time and I got [TS]

01:02:21   together with directly a pigpen from a [TS]

01:02:23   clear case but he died also get popped [TS]

01:02:25   prob Bob Weir is Tiger get Phil lashed [TS]

01:02:30   on the world's greatest bass player feel [TS]

01:02:31   less who will let you don't you ever [TS]

01:02:34   listen to a phil lesh baseline now I [TS]

01:02:35   don't know but they thought do to do [TS]

01:02:38   video game do right [TS]

01:02:41   that's like that's an example of the [TS]

01:02:43   rare occasions when a phil lesh baseline [TS]

01:02:46   is not a trip through the 408 both on [TS]

01:02:50   the second fret supervillain well [TS]

01:02:52   located the old well she's just so he's [TS]

01:02:55   just rolling through the tundra I like a [TS]

01:02:58   baseline yeah and that and those bass [TS]

01:03:00   lines are very imaginative he's lucky [TS]

01:03:02   he's quite an exceptional musician [TS]

01:03:04   whereas a lot of the time i don't know [TS]

01:03:07   you know like as I was saying from the [TS]

01:03:09   early days to the very most recent days [TS]

01:03:12   Bob we're obviously odd man out in that [TS]

01:03:16   band strangely youthful looking [TS]

01:03:19   strangely younger than everyone else [TS]

01:03:21   yeah what's bob doing to watching the [TS]

01:03:24   dead you're like what's bob doing [TS]

01:03:26   yeah he's playing parts he's playing [TS]

01:03:29   parts the whole time but what's he doing [TS]

01:03:31   really any then the songs he sings are [TS]

01:03:34   are all very distinctive he's had his [TS]

01:03:37   share of of Grateful Dead standards but [TS]

01:03:41   you also sort of crave Gerry's voice I [TS]

01:03:45   mean like you listening the tunes you're [TS]

01:03:47   like that was good let's get back to [TS]

01:03:49   Jerry let's look Jerry is good you do [TS]

01:03:51   you think that some people are Bob [TS]

01:03:52   people and some people grant people [TS]

01:03:54   well I don't let people about people [TS]

01:03:57   yeah that's what it is [TS]

01:03:58   I mean most people are Bob people there [TS]

01:04:00   are some grant has is and everybody are [TS]

01:04:02   certain grant songs everybody likes and [TS]

01:04:03   I know you're not dumping mixmeister do [TS]

01:04:05   but like there's lots of bands that are [TS]

01:04:07   like that i mean you take something like [TS]

01:04:08   that particular band like I I wouldn't [TS]

01:04:11   have Rick Danko to sing every song but [TS]

01:04:13   the ones he does things like I find [TS]

01:04:15   really really wonderful moving [TS]

01:04:16   yeah they get Robertson sometimes [TS]

01:04:18   pretends to be singing when it's not [TS]

01:04:19   I think robbie robertson I don't think [TS]

01:04:22   can sing because a well no way he didn't [TS]

01:04:26   do last great American whale that was [TS]

01:04:27   Lou Reed's late period who was rather [TS]

01:04:31   frequently levon Helm everything about [TS]

01:04:33   Robbie's eighties hit remember Robbie [TS]

01:04:35   eighties hell right he did have a he had [TS]

01:04:38   on Hanley era like a 1985 shit he must [TS]

01:04:41   have been writing for soundtracks I [TS]

01:04:43   think [TS]

01:04:43   yep I and then he he got he got one of [TS]

01:04:46   those remember in the eighties this was [TS]

01:04:48   the amazing thing about the eighties [TS]

01:04:49   yeah there was a market for middle-aged [TS]

01:04:55   musicians having not just like a [TS]

01:04:59   sculpture career but here they all come [TS]

01:05:02   back right like Peter Gabriel so so may [TS]

01:05:05   need well again but a lot of them like [TS]

01:05:06   your EEG look at John wait John Waite [TS]

01:05:10   have been in the babies wasn't the [TS]

01:05:11   babies [TS]

01:05:12   oh just wait hold on wait in i don't [TS]

01:05:16   know if i go back that far which only [TS]

01:05:18   John [TS]

01:05:19   and wait accumulated that's in the WA [TS]

01:05:22   ite man is Anita had that he was he got [TS]

01:05:25   a new wave at a certain point i'm [TS]

01:05:29   missing you missing you I ain't missing [TS]

01:05:31   you and all you miss you know I mean I I [TS]

01:05:34   tried to write in here Robbie Robertson [TS]

01:05:36   eighties hit to you know to do a little [TS]

01:05:39   bit of that Merlin Mann thing where i'm [TS]

01:05:41   like i'm going to get a ticket be picky [TS]

01:05:43   during during a thing where i'm also [TS]

01:05:45   talking [TS]

01:05:45   yes just amazing that you do sorry but i [TS]

01:05:48   but I accidentally miss Rhoda because i [TS]

01:05:51   don't have my glasses on and I wrote [TS]

01:05:52   robbie robertson eighties hot-rodding [TS]

01:05:56   Robertson eighties feet [TS]

01:05:58   Robbie Robertson eighties net worth I [TS]

01:06:01   got some very strange yeah Robbie [TS]

01:06:03   Robertson wife height i got this amazing [TS]

01:06:05   thing that's right [TS]

01:06:07   white as another one if you did not type [TS]

01:06:10   of summer is John running it's like John [TS]

01:06:13   Roderick wife was like third down the [TS]

01:06:15   line was cooling man [TS]

01:06:17   it turns out nobody turns out that's [TS]

01:06:19   just eric carmen that's another one but [TS]

01:06:21   I robbie robertson hot i suggest you do [TS]

01:06:23   because there are a lot of websites of [TS]

01:06:25   people who are saying out some point [TS]

01:06:28   like Robbie Robbins in the eighties was [TS]

01:06:29   hot [TS]

01:06:30   yeah but the hit was somewhere down that [TS]

01:06:33   crazy river crazy i don't think i know [TS]

01:06:36   that at all [TS]

01:06:37   and well you know I suggest you take a [TS]

01:06:39   look at the at the music video because [TS]

01:06:41   it is it is mid eighties and and and it [TS]

01:06:44   is characterized I i think well let's [TS]

01:06:48   let's just say if our thesis is that [TS]

01:06:49   Robbie Robertson can't seem his eighties [TS]

01:06:52   it somewhere just like that's it doesn't [TS]

01:06:54   sing I feel like I have a gift when I [TS]

01:06:56   can sometimes tell when someone is [TS]

01:06:58   pretending to sing there's a friend of [TS]

01:06:59   mine in a band in Tallahassee and I i'm [TS]

01:07:02   pretty sure he was fake backup singing [TS]

01:07:04   and I was like I have a gift for knowing [TS]

01:07:08   when somebody's just mouthing and we're [TS]

01:07:09   doing a a top of the pops [TS]

01:07:11   well there's a thing that I learned from [TS]

01:07:14   shawn nelson like I've learned a lot of [TS]

01:07:16   things from shawn nelson as you know and [TS]

01:07:18   this is one of the things i learned from [TS]

01:07:20   him [TS]

01:07:20   which is if you are lip syncing your [TS]

01:07:23   song while making a music video you have [TS]

01:07:27   to sing you have to actually sing even [TS]

01:07:31   if you're not being even if you're so [TS]

01:07:33   fascinating to me this this already [TS]

01:07:35   makes sense to me this feels like an [TS]

01:07:36   Oliver Sacks think we're using a [TS]

01:07:38   different part of your brain to to [TS]

01:07:40   lip-synch vs as against the different [TS]

01:07:42   part of your brain to actually singing [TS]

01:07:43   even if they're not recording the audio [TS]

01:07:44   i bet it looks different looks [TS]

01:07:46   completely different so if you look at [TS]

01:07:48   the music video for the decemberists 16 [TS]

01:07:51   military wives [TS]

01:07:52   mm which i recommend you look at because [TS]

01:07:54   i have a cameo role in the music video [TS]

01:07:57   of 16 military wives but that's not the [TS]

01:08:00   one where the teacher that's not the [TS]

01:08:01   west/andersen one that is the one that [TS]

01:08:02   I'm not sure of his line [TS]

01:08:04   yeah the west/andersen themed music a [TS]

01:08:07   hell of a beard in that one [TS]

01:08:08   yeah right that was that was during the [TS]

01:08:10   like I don't give a fuck era the first [TS]

01:08:12   one [TS]

01:08:12   no not the first one not anywhere close [TS]

01:08:14   earlier ones maybe it was well let's [TS]

01:08:16   just say it was one of the mid-2000s [TS]

01:08:18   where I had lost my way I had I had made [TS]

01:08:21   to be ultimatum EP but never released it [TS]

01:08:24   and I was just laying around all day [TS]

01:08:26   writing screens and then the December [TS]

01:08:30   likely be in a music video i was like [TS]

01:08:31   huh [TS]

01:08:33   all right but you'll notice in that [TS]

01:08:36   music video [TS]

01:08:37   colin Meloy is lip-syncing rather than [TS]

01:08:40   the singing and you feel like you can [TS]

01:08:41   really tell you can tell you can tell [TS]

01:08:43   that it just doesn't quite it's not that [TS]

01:08:45   it doesn't line up a totally lines up it [TS]

01:08:47   just doesn't look real [TS]

01:08:49   it's this thing that you're saying it [TS]

01:08:50   does it looks fake but if you are [TS]

01:08:52   singing if you're actually singing your [TS]

01:08:54   tune it looks right you you you have to [TS]

01:08:58   do it and then once you've seen it you [TS]

01:08:59   can't unsee it might be cuz loan [TS]

01:09:03   I'm really think about this all day now [TS]

01:09:04   and Sean came to this discovery i think [TS]

01:09:08   by making music videos and you know one [TS]

01:09:11   of his music videos maybe was I think [TS]

01:09:14   one of them was actually directed by [TS]

01:09:16   john Flansburg like before any of us [TS]

01:09:20   knew him and was his friend he was going [TS]

01:09:22   through a phase where it was like I'm [TS]

01:09:24   directing music videos now what they did [TS]

01:09:27   just receive a call from John friends [TS]

01:09:28   right [TS]

01:09:28   hey Justin I'm gonna be directing this [TS]

01:09:30   video well i think it was the heat said [TS]

01:09:31   to his manager like you know I'd get [TS]

01:09:33   my name out there i'm doing music videos [TS]

01:09:34   and I think he did some prominent and I [TS]

01:09:38   think one of them might have been [TS]

01:09:39   directed by ric ocasek or something you [TS]

01:09:41   know like Harvey danger had had the [TS]

01:09:43   money the major label money to get these [TS]

01:09:45   big name people to direct the music but [TS]

01:09:49   so Sean had this inside or either [TS]

01:09:50   someone told him this or he realized it [TS]

01:09:52   himself by watching himself lip sync and [TS]

01:09:56   yeah it's transformative and so when you [TS]

01:09:59   see somebody who's not making sound it's [TS]

01:10:02   you can tell it now you go back and look [TS]

01:10:04   at the top of the pops videos from the [TS]

01:10:06   sixties and some of them like adultery [TS]

01:10:10   always singing at the top of his lungs [TS]

01:10:12   right doll trees not ever lip-syncing [TS]

01:10:14   but a lot of those people like you know [TS]

01:10:16   a marc bolan or whatever they're just [TS]

01:10:19   they're just moving their lips right [TS]

01:10:21   it's hilarious [TS]

01:10:23   oh I enjoy watching Top of the Pops [TS]

01:10:27   because it's still fun to just see [TS]

01:10:29   whoever like early performances by bands [TS]

01:10:32   you like it's still fun but but but [TS]

01:10:34   you're going down the old grey whistle [TS]

01:10:35   test rabbit huh oh my god there's so [TS]

01:10:39   much a meat-like bands that you just [TS]

01:10:41   don't think about today like I mean like [TS]

01:10:44   that some of the performances by like [TS]

01:10:46   dire straits so good on them while the [TS]

01:10:51   bee gees I just I just tweeted if you [TS]

01:10:56   can believe it you [TS]

01:10:58   yeah a link to an early Bee Gees not [TS]

01:11:03   early Bee Gees right because the early [TS]

01:11:04   Bee Gees is from the late sixties like [TS]

01:11:06   they were very British Invasion yeah [TS]

01:11:08   they had a hit or likely started at Joe [TS]

01:11:11   that and also with mining disaster and [TS]

01:11:15   the mind is an island but it was [TS]

01:11:17   Waterloo station but there were they had [TS]

01:11:18   a big hit that well all I got the [TS]

01:11:20   Massachusetts massive the Sun that's [TS]

01:11:24   just that's the one that's going really [TS]

01:11:27   good song big hit in the late sixties [TS]

01:11:30   and then they had a then we kind of you [TS]

01:11:32   know went dark for a little bit yeah [TS]

01:11:34   then came back in the mid-70s well they [TS]

01:11:36   started you get stuff like Jai I think [TS]

01:11:38   I've talking was a breakthrough because [TS]

01:11:40   that's when the very first volume if [TS]

01:11:42   they got into the funky stuff but also [TS]

01:11:43   its when Barry started singing falsetto [TS]

01:11:46   which everybody that was super weird at [TS]

01:11:48   the time because they were thought of as [TS]

01:11:50   being like the hollies they were thought [TS]

01:11:51   of as a vocal supergroup like why is the [TS]

01:11:53   lead singer in diagonal fees lead singer [TS]

01:11:55   but why is the one guy singing falsetto [TS]

01:11:57   now that's so strange [TS]

01:11:58   hmm falsetto right which was what I mean [TS]

01:12:01   that I'm saying is what they were well [TS]

01:12:02   known for to us where you know some of [TS]

01:12:04   our age you think the BG z Saturday [TS]

01:12:06   Night Fever was the biggest album of all [TS]

01:12:08   time [TS]

01:12:09   big big butt but like you know that was [TS]

01:12:11   that was really strange to people who [TS]

01:12:13   thought of them as being this like how [TS]

01:12:15   would you describe them of not full but [TS]

01:12:17   like a pop-up british pop act [TS]

01:12:19   yep yep and oh and you know the thing [TS]

01:12:22   that I the thing that I tweeted was not [TS]

01:12:24   old grey whistle test it was the [TS]

01:12:26   midnight special about how we show and [TS]

01:12:29   those some of that midnight special [TS]

01:12:30   stuff like if you go watch heart do [TS]

01:12:33   barracuda live on the midnight special [TS]

01:12:35   yeah that's right rubber pretty [TS]

01:12:37   wonderfully rough like there's a very [TS]

01:12:38   live feeling 22 that like a cheap trick [TS]

01:12:41   kind of thing like shows but you really [TS]

01:12:44   see how good those bands i know how to [TS]

01:12:46   accomplish that like put together they [TS]

01:12:48   were there's no backing tracks then [TS]

01:12:50   rolling tape there's not a metronome [TS]

01:12:52   they're just going for like these are [TS]

01:12:54   this is how bands were they were good [TS]

01:12:56   but um but yeah like like I think a lot [TS]

01:13:00   of us post Saturday Night Fever we got [TS]

01:13:05   that bee gees Greatest Hits record and [TS]

01:13:09   and think of all of that music is being [TS]

01:13:11   sort of a disco but what's cool about [TS]

01:13:15   the bee gees is they have that greatest [TS]

01:13:17   hits and the music did all sound like a [TS]

01:13:20   continuous sort of bee gees experience [TS]

01:13:22   and not about what that felt like well [TS]

01:13:24   this is their weird country phase or [TS]

01:13:26   this was their weird like art metal [TS]

01:13:29   phase right didn't do like trans they [TS]

01:13:32   didn't like those other stage but they [TS]

01:13:34   better but a lot of those tunes like how [TS]

01:13:37   can you mend a broken heart whore [TS]

01:13:39   famously nights on Broadway [TS]

01:13:42   um that's not from Saturday Night Fever [TS]

01:13:45   that's way before it [TS]

01:13:47   yeah and if you go on Midnight Special [TS]

01:13:49   and watch their version of nights on [TS]

01:13:52   Broadway [TS]

01:13:53   yes that's like two years before 7i [TS]

01:13:56   favor and realize yeah you realize a [TS]

01:13:58   couple of things one Robin Gibb is [TS]

01:14:01   actually the because during the doing [TS]

01:14:05   the disco years Robin and Maurice just [TS]

01:14:08   seems like the other guys [TS]

01:14:09   yeah the other guys like Robyn rule not [TS]

01:14:11   so much Morris but Robin was the star [TS]

01:14:14   for some of the early ones the [TS]

01:14:16   funny-looking one that mean connect i [TS]

01:14:18   sing so you want two nights on broadway [TS]

01:14:20   on now I just wanna watch beaches videos [TS]

01:14:22   all day so he so first of all Robin is [TS]

01:14:24   beautiful at the time not the [TS]

01:14:26   weird-looking one but somehow like the [TS]

01:14:29   Charmed in the light one so super [TS]

01:14:31   beautiful [TS]

01:14:32   he's singing the really high parts he's [TS]

01:14:35   actually standing there with no [TS]

01:14:36   instrument one finger in his very [TS]

01:14:38   naturally had a as the three of them go [TS]

01:14:41   the lower voice he was like the not fair [TS]

01:14:43   to me but he had the lower voice your [TS]

01:14:45   blower of the three and cracking cells [TS]

01:14:47   yeah and then buries actually playing [TS]

01:14:49   the guitar rhythm guitar he's actually [TS]

01:14:50   setting the whole tone and Maurice is [TS]

01:14:53   playing a very funky bassline Wow and [TS]

01:14:57   also singing like the third part and so [TS]

01:14:59   you walk away from me going ok that's [TS]

01:15:01   really good songwriting first of all [TS]

01:15:03   nights on Broadway is a good song [TS]

01:15:05   great i'm just sitting here purple link [TS]

01:15:07   so i have watched them do this the [TS]

01:15:08   midnight special nights on Broadway 1975 [TS]

01:15:11   so i have watched this before [TS]

01:15:12   yeah and well I suggest you watch again [TS]

01:15:15   and uh and also they're just a great [TS]

01:15:17   band like there's no there's nobody on [TS]

01:15:19   stage with them that doesn't need to be [TS]

01:15:21   there and there and it's a function so [TS]

01:15:25   yeah there's a lot I mean I spent a lot [TS]

01:15:27   of time down those rabbit holes because [TS]

01:15:29   I'm always intrigued because you go to a [TS]

01:15:30   show now and everybody's running tracks [TS]

01:15:33   and everybody's hiding behind a lot of a [TS]

01:15:38   lot of different sort of screams of [TS]

01:15:42   production and the only people that [TS]

01:15:44   aren't really are playing you know like [TS]

01:15:48   cut very consciously playing strip down [TS]

01:15:52   rock and roll right like it's not like [TS]

01:15:54   the white stripes ever ran tracks i [TS]

01:15:56   don't think [TS]

01:15:58   but that was their things just like [TS]

01:15:59   here's our parts around and also to also [TS]

01:16:02   to keep in mind I'm thinking now of that [TS]

01:16:06   Ron Howard did that Beatles days a week [TS]

01:16:09   things on hulu recently it was actually [TS]

01:16:11   very depressing to watch so depressing [TS]

01:16:14   because it's just basically about the [TS]

01:16:16   sad period of the Beatles were they [TS]

01:16:17   suddenly became unexpectedly popular [TS]

01:16:19   they all became very unhappy and their [TS]

01:16:20   live shows [TS]

01:16:21   I had no idea what I'm you know you [TS]

01:16:23   always hear about all their drowned out [TS]

01:16:24   of Shea Stadium what a shitshow what a [TS]

01:16:26   dangerous dangerous every one of these [TS]

01:16:28   events people were getting hurt like it [TS]

01:16:30   was really really bad but like they had [TS]

01:16:33   to go and be gamers there's they could [TS]

01:16:35   not hear themselves and i mean the the [TS]

01:16:36   conventional wisdom about cream in [TS]

01:16:38   particular what cream was the first band [TS]

01:16:40   like figured out how to really get the [TS]

01:16:41   PA thing right but even going into the [TS]

01:16:43   seventies eighties you could not count [TS]

01:16:45   on hearing yourself on a monitor [TS]

01:16:46   there's a who you know they think I [TS]

01:16:48   think a marshal whatever it was name of [TS]

01:16:52   Bill Marshall bob marshall i remember [TS]

01:16:54   his name but I'm but I'm not remembering [TS]

01:16:56   Marshall Marshall amplifier Marshall [TS]

01:16:57   yeah Tony Marshall Oh Tony marshal of [TS]

01:16:59   course english models [TS]

01:17:01   yeah from the from the marshal Marshall [TS]

01:17:02   Marshall Burdine but yeah that's right a [TS]

01:17:05   marshal Bubba patois Marshall yeah I'll [TS]

01:17:09   take some pain my uh so Marshall became [TS]

01:17:14   I I think Marshall Johnson's that's I [TS]

01:17:17   think the who went to him and said [TS]

01:17:19   listen we need bigger amplifiers and he [TS]

01:17:22   built the first hundred one amplifier [TS]

01:17:24   for the who just because they said that [TS]

01:17:28   we you know we're supporting wasn't [TS]

01:17:30   Peter I want man [TS]

01:17:31   yeah well uh i wad I think he started [TS]

01:17:35   using hi wats little moo maybe later [TS]

01:17:38   maybe earlier but Marshall Marshall [TS]

01:17:40   definitely i may be getting this wrong [TS]

01:17:43   but I'm nobody was just and I'm thinking [TS]

01:17:45   in particular like you could play loud [TS]

01:17:48   but it was very difficult for it to be [TS]

01:17:50   clear i'm more into the late sixties [TS]

01:17:53   this is what i don't understand because [TS]

01:17:54   if you watch those beetles those early [TS]

01:17:56   Beatles things there are no monitors now [TS]

01:17:59   the whole thought technology of just [TS]

01:18:01   turning an amp 10 days like an [TS]

01:18:03   underground stone room like you look at [TS]

01:18:06   the cavern club and it's basically a [TS]

01:18:08   cave [TS]

01:18:08   they're playing and imagine that the [TS]

01:18:10   acoustics of that room [TS]

01:18:11   well but I mean that's just the thing [TS]

01:18:13   where you set your shit up so that you [TS]

01:18:16   can hear yourself but Shea Stadium where [TS]

01:18:18   you're playing and the only feedback [TS]

01:18:20   you're getting is from the sound of the [TS]

01:18:23   main PA or the sound of like I think [TS]

01:18:25   them i think the music that was heard by [TS]

01:18:28   the people in Upper shea stadium was [TS]

01:18:30   coming through the announcers this [TS]

01:18:32   planet is sort of like your situation [TS]

01:18:34   opening the mall where like a monitor [TS]

01:18:36   that's your hearing in adelaide way is [TS]

01:18:39   way worse than no monitor at all [TS]

01:18:40   thousand times worse said that I told [TS]

01:18:42   you didn't I about Jonathan Colton's [TS]

01:18:44   first time he played at pax here in [TS]

01:18:47   seattle where for whatever reason [TS]

01:18:50   apparently people giving keynote [TS]

01:18:52   speeches or video game speeches I don't [TS]

01:18:56   want to dive into that morass who up but [TS]

01:18:59   don't look that up on your YouTube but [TS]

01:19:01   it's it's for I don't know why but I've [TS]

01:19:04   seen this subsequently but there are [TS]

01:19:06   video monitors at the foot of the stage [TS]

01:19:09   projecting back-to-back unto you [TS]

01:19:13   your own performance I don't know if I'd [TS]

01:19:16   like that at all [TS]

01:19:17   I've seen this now multiple times well [TS]

01:19:19   so Colton playing the show had these [TS]

01:19:22   giant video video monitors at the foot [TS]

01:19:24   of the stage playing back his own [TS]

01:19:26   performance with a one-second delay so [TS]

01:19:30   so he's not not sound but just visual [TS]

01:19:34   and he's up there like hey here's my [TS]

01:19:36   zombie song and and he's eq cannot watch [TS]

01:19:40   it right it's right at your feet and [TS]

01:19:41   it's like any television that's on your [TS]

01:19:43   gonna watch because it's you know you [TS]

01:19:45   know what it is LOL yeah i mean if it's [TS]

01:19:47   visible yeah yeah it's the it's the drug [TS]

01:19:50   of the of the youth right i mean [TS]

01:19:51   television is the electronic little [TS]

01:19:53   skill scott-heron sure television drug [TS]

01:19:56   the nation so he huh [TS]

01:19:58   television yeah television television [TS]

01:20:04   television [TS]

01:20:06   I'm not going to Arizona talking the [TS]

01:20:08   nation so iCarly sun city and that was [TS]

01:20:11   that I think that was before Colton felt [TS]

01:20:13   like he had enough a a onstage time to [TS]

01:20:18   demand what he wanted [TS]

01:20:20   yeah sure so he was like kind of how he [TS]

01:20:22   rolls it's not how he rolls but he could [TS]

01:20:24   have said hey can you turn these off and [TS]

01:20:26   it would have been super gentle and they [TS]

01:20:27   would have turned them off right or he [TS]

01:20:29   could have gotten down as I would have [TS]

01:20:31   done and just unplug them without asking [TS]

01:20:32   anybody but you have to think of that [TS]

01:20:35   and I think they had to they had to [TS]

01:20:38   think of monitors it wasn't obvious but [TS]

01:20:42   when we were first starting out when I [TS]

01:20:43   was first starting out as a band and we [TS]

01:20:45   would show up at a thing and our amps [TS]

01:20:47   were too big because we were we were [TS]

01:20:49   coming from that school like well you [TS]

01:20:51   need a full stack I mean we're playing [TS]

01:20:53   for a flame 425 people whom we [TS]

01:20:55   definitely need eight speakers / [TS]

01:20:58   musician powered by a hundred and [TS]

01:21:00   twenty-one amplifiers or your bass amp [TS]

01:21:02   three hundred waters your friend noise [TS]

01:21:04   my monitor [TS]

01:21:05   yeah how is there a way that we can [TS]

01:21:07   increase the like excruciating high-end [TS]

01:21:10   like a little razor sharp i and my [TS]

01:21:13   guitar maybe I got to mesa boogie triple [TS]

01:21:16   rectifiers and took all of the you know [TS]

01:21:20   just just posted the mids and highs and [TS]

01:21:23   took all the base and all just you know [TS]

01:21:24   just made my made the graphic EQ just a [TS]

01:21:28   straight 45-degree angle up that's [TS]

01:21:31   that's a good luck [TS]

01:21:32   now that's nice let's get the next part [TS]

01:21:33   right it's like it's on a nice selection [TS]

01:21:36   yeah it would be like that scene in [TS]

01:21:38   there in the tom cruise movie a risky [TS]

01:21:41   business where he slams all the eq [TS]

01:21:44   straight up right [TS]

01:21:45   the parametric equations exercise a lot [TS]

01:21:48   of people crazy to watch it seemed like [TS]

01:21:49   that yeah that seems really cool but [TS]

01:21:50   instead of doing that just post the [TS]

01:21:52   highs and just lower them the lows my [TS]

01:21:54   mom when she took over when she took [TS]

01:21:56   over listening to metal in our house [TS]

01:21:58   when she took over the baton was passed [TS]

01:22:00   your mom yeah she took over listening to [TS]

01:22:02   metal in such a way that it was no [TS]

01:22:04   longer possible for me to listen to [TS]

01:22:05   metal because i'm not going to be down [TS]

01:22:06   in my room listening to metal why my mom [TS]

01:22:08   is listening technically to better metal [TS]

01:22:11   on a better stereo in her own room [TS]

01:22:12   laissez-faire that just feels like what [TS]

01:22:14   what are you this is you are robbing me [TS]

01:22:17   of my childhood but she didn't care and [TS]

01:22:20   she had an EQ on her own stereo which I [TS]

01:22:23   did not have online [TS]

01:22:24   and she just boosted the base and took [TS]

01:22:27   everything I mean every frequency that [TS]

01:22:31   she could above 4k I want five seasons [TS]

01:22:34   of a network show up on your mom she's [TS]

01:22:36   just you just put it all down so you [TS]

01:22:38   hear from her room why would Real Black [TS]

01:22:41   Sabbath room forever and then 0 0 0 just [TS]

01:22:44   barely like faintest faintest robert [TS]

01:22:47   plant that you could imagine [TS]

01:22:48   uh-huh you like a homeopathic doses per [TS]

01:22:52   click [TS]

01:22:57   she's just like how can i get that [TS]

01:23:00   annoying sound out of my speaker so uh [TS]

01:23:04   what I what I learned early on was that [TS]

01:23:07   we just carried an extra amp which was [TS]

01:23:10   like a pv bass amp amp that none of us [TS]

01:23:14   really wanted one of those amps that's [TS]

01:23:16   just hanging around your practice studio [TS]

01:23:18   they're like where's that damn come from [TS]

01:23:20   and at first if you ask that question [TS]

01:23:23   early enough like somebody in your [TS]

01:23:26   organization will say oh that's that pv [TS]

01:23:28   bass amp that is that I got from my [TS]

01:23:30   older brother or my brother's friend and [TS]

01:23:33   I just needed a place to store because [TS]

01:23:35   I'd forgotten amp right but if you ask [TS]

01:23:38   that question after it's been there for [TS]

01:23:39   six months it was what's the story with [TS]

01:23:41   this amp it's already too late let the [TS]

01:23:43   memory how it got here some ring exactly [TS]

01:23:46   but so we took one of those amps to [TS]

01:23:49   every show and if the PA was not capable [TS]

01:23:53   of giving you monitor back you just take [TS]

01:23:55   a quarter inch out and stick it into the [TS]

01:23:58   front of this even happen mostly vocals [TS]

01:24:00   yeah and you just put all the vocals and [TS]

01:24:03   then you set it down on the basically on [TS]

01:24:06   the floor in front of you with a [TS]

01:24:07   cinderblock propping it up there's your [TS]

01:24:09   there's your vocals [TS]

01:24:11   I mean it and we never played a room and [TS]

01:24:13   we were loud we were so much louder than [TS]

01:24:15   you need to be never played a room where [TS]

01:24:17   you couldn't hear your vocals if you had [TS]

01:24:19   a pv base and pointed at your face so I [TS]

01:24:23   don't understand how that wasn't a [TS]

01:24:26   technology that was available if you if [TS]

01:24:27   you took an early tweed fender twin and [TS]

01:24:31   put it at the feet of John lemon and ran [TS]

01:24:33   a quarter inch into it with his vocals [TS]

01:24:36   in [TS]

01:24:36   a really good question that's a very [TS]

01:24:38   good question i I'm gonna guess knowing [TS]

01:24:40   nothing about this i'm gonna guess it [TS]

01:24:41   has something to do with feedback [TS]

01:24:43   well yeah but you can control that too i [TS]

01:24:46   mean even with the technology that they [TS]

01:24:48   had at the time they would have been [TS]

01:24:50   able to at least give him some [TS]

01:24:52   augmentation and at Shea Stadium [TS]

01:24:56   I mean they're playing through AC [TS]

01:24:59   thirties I mean you couldn't hear that [TS]

01:25:01   amp in the first row of it so that had [TS]

01:25:04   the only thing that people in the stands [TS]

01:25:06   were hearing was mic'd instruments so [TS]

01:25:09   their amps actually didn't need to be [TS]

01:25:11   that loud they are there onstage volume [TS]

01:25:13   could have been very manageable it [TS]

01:25:15   would've been if you had just taken some [TS]

01:25:18   amps and put them at their feet and I [TS]

01:25:21   just think it was a thing hadn't [TS]

01:25:22   occurred to them [TS]

01:25:23   wait maybe maybe we had to you know John [TS]

01:25:26   Vanderslice hadn't come along would have [TS]

01:25:27   had to invent him that's a man who knows [TS]

01:25:30   how to set up a room we did invent John [TS]

01:25:32   pants is that right that that [TS]

01:25:33   responsibility is on us we we bear that [TS]

01:25:36   we bear the cost heavy hangs the eating [TS]

01:25:39   thing has me in a room and his shows I [TS]

01:25:40   school with the hottest shows i was just [TS]

01:25:42   always so amazed with how it sounded it [TS]

01:25:46   wasn't gonna put this is just exquisite [TS]

01:25:49   it wasn't too loud you can hear every [TS]

01:25:50   single note like he really knew like [TS]

01:25:52   this particular Club this is how to set [TS]

01:25:54   it up for this room and I wish that [TS]

01:25:56   everybody had like a John Vanderslice in [TS]

01:25:58   their life to like make make it sound [TS]

01:26:01   right for the room and I know that's [TS]

01:26:02   different for every band but i think he [TS]

01:26:04   given what he did and they like how how [TS]

01:26:06   much you value d exquisite subtle sounds [TS]

01:26:09   and what he was making you know what I [TS]

01:26:11   mean [TS]

01:26:11   oh I do because yes I've been on tour [TS]

01:26:14   with him and also on tour with a lot of [TS]

01:26:17   other people can spot your trailer [TS]

01:26:18   included [TS]

01:26:19   that's right including people know this [TS]

01:26:22   is strange his trailer he would kill [TS]

01:26:25   trailer he is just trying to weasel out [TS]

01:26:29   of paying me the money that I was [TS]

01:26:31   overdriving to go back to that sometime [TS]

01:26:34   that was I think we talked about this [TS]

01:26:35   but all poor sean i'm not sure did we [TS]

01:26:37   talk about it [TS]

01:26:38   oh no I'm pretty sure we did because [TS]

01:26:43   that's that's got to be up there with [TS]

01:26:44   the north face story [TS]

01:26:45   oh boy i know that we've talked about it [TS]

01:26:48   thousand times I just don't know I just [TS]

01:26:50   didn't know that he's ready to see a [TS]

01:26:51   side of you that I had not seen I was [TS]

01:26:53   not ready to see that side of him that I [TS]

01:26:55   had not seen well sure and I mean I [TS]

01:26:57   think at the time there was quite a [TS]

01:26:59   pounding from the from the audience [TS]

01:27:01   which was what they were five of us [TS]

01:27:04   there in this abandoned parking lot like [TS]

01:27:06   Michael Sean that's right now they're [TS]

01:27:08   forcin you and Madeline was there too [TS]

01:27:11   yeah [TS]

01:27:11   oh man was there to do ya and [TS]

01:27:13   vanderslice and I going back and forth [TS]

01:27:15   like well i guess i'm going to take this [TS]

01:27:16   trailer and I'm gonna just drive it into [TS]

01:27:17   the ocean eyeball-to-eyeball anybody's [TS]

01:27:20   it was it was barely civil well in [TS]

01:27:24   what's crazy is he promised me stop to [TS]

01:27:26   get out of that negotiation that he's [TS]

01:27:28   been removed on later but I'm not here [TS]

01:27:30   to talk and hear settle scores let's [TS]

01:27:32   just say time travel is lonely I think [TS]

01:27:34   we can all agree on time travel you know [TS]

01:27:36   vanderslice that was the first time I [TS]

01:27:38   ever saw a live show where someone was [TS]

01:27:41   playing tracks it was uh yeah well he [TS]

01:27:46   made the decision feeling blue billions [TS]

01:27:48   of the pool while [TS]

01:27:50   yeah he had that stuff running through [TS]

01:27:51   the PA and I had never seen it before [TS]

01:27:53   and you know he wasn't he was an early [TS]

01:27:55   adopter vanderslice was always an early [TS]

01:27:58   adopter not just of technology and sound [TS]

01:28:01   but also you remember his drummer that [TS]

01:28:03   did the Rising Sun symbol changes you [TS]

01:28:08   saw those shows right i don't remember [TS]

01:28:09   that where he hired a drummer from [TS]

01:28:11   somewhere who was one of those you [TS]

01:28:13   you've seen the youtube video of the [TS]

01:28:15   drummer that's in the wrong band you [TS]

01:28:19   know everything that no google a drummer [TS]

01:28:23   in the wrong the wrong band [TS]

01:28:25   let's not do this drummer is at the [TS]

01:28:27   wrong gig [TS]

01:28:28   alright yeah drama the wrong gig and [TS]

01:28:30   better slice hired a drummer at the [TS]

01:28:32   wrong gig style drummer who first of all [TS]

01:28:36   how does the whole like playing sharp [TS]

01:28:40   dressed man yeah [TS]

01:28:41   oh my god this is fantastic it's ok [TS]

01:28:46   sorry this is so good opener flies had a [TS]

01:28:49   guy like this who was a fantastic [TS]

01:28:50   drummer would be wasn't like a jokey jon [TS]

01:28:53   wurster throw it in for a little bit of [TS]

01:28:55   fun this guy was full-on like spin spin [TS]

01:28:57   the sticks kind of guy [TS]

01:28:58   this was his show I is dry [TS]

01:29:01   it was set up in the center of the stage [TS]

01:29:03   and vanderslice was maybe sitting in a [TS]

01:29:06   chair on the side of the thing maybe not [TS]

01:29:08   even in the light and he would do this [TS]

01:29:11   so he's playing just big big big [TS]

01:29:13   theatrical drum show and he would change [TS]

01:29:20   his cymbals midsole he would be playing [TS]

01:29:25   change his symbols like because he [TS]

01:29:28   needed to was like breaking a string [TS]

01:29:30   this was part of the bit [TS]

01:29:31   yeah he he decided in his interpretation [TS]

01:29:35   of the music that a certain point in the [TS]

01:29:37   song he needed a different symbol then [TS]

01:29:39   he could have never heard of I've never [TS]

01:29:40   heard that before [TS]

01:29:41   well because you never will again [TS]

01:29:42   because it's it's crazy but he would [TS]

01:29:45   take his symbol off the symbols and now [TS]

01:29:48   the song is going on and he oh he's [TS]

01:29:51   continuing to play the drums he would [TS]

01:29:55   take his symbol off the symbols and [TS]

01:29:57   unscrew it take it off and then hold it [TS]

01:30:00   over his head in a in a gesture of the [TS]

01:30:06   Sun rises in the East reaches its apex [TS]

01:30:10   and sets in the west like he would hold [TS]

01:30:15   the symbols as if there's some kind of a [TS]

01:30:17   movement or dance component absolutely a [TS]

01:30:20   dance component the Sun would rise in [TS]

01:30:21   the east set in the West this is all in [TS]

01:30:23   time with the music he's a great [TS]

01:30:25   musician and then another symbol would [TS]

01:30:28   come out of the cymbal bag it would rise [TS]

01:30:31   in the West my goodness and set in the [TS]

01:30:35   east upon the cymbal stand where it [TS]

01:30:38   would then be screwed down and played [TS]

01:30:39   all this happening in the middle in the [TS]

01:30:43   middle of time travel is love the 22 so [TS]

01:30:52   very impressive work but also mean the [TS]

01:30:55   first time I saw John Vanderslice he had [TS]

01:30:56   a Chapman Stick player in the hall [TS]

01:30:58   yes yes yes uh-huh early iteration of [TS]

01:31:01   his band had a Chapman Stick player who [TS]

01:31:03   English a trend behind who made Chapman [TS]

01:31:06   Stick face down everson guitar that's 10 [TS]

01:31:09   times worse than guitar face you ever [TS]

01:31:11   googled Chapman Stick faith [TS]

01:31:13   if you use the internet different [TS]

01:31:15   spelling right now go get six total tony [TS]

01:31:21   levin is the only person I can think of [TS]

01:31:23   when I think of a Chapman Stick iik [TS]

01:31:26   chapman and tony levin is a professional [TS]

01:31:29   enough musician that he doesn't really [TS]

01:31:30   make Chapman Stick face not like [TS]

01:31:31   somebody could he could he could he [TS]

01:31:34   could do he he has enough bandwidth he [TS]

01:31:36   could play to chapman sticks and make [TS]

01:31:37   travels doing amazing god oh my gosh [TS]

01:31:41   but we do use the internet in different [TS]

01:31:42   ways and you know people often write a [TS]

01:31:44   right little tweets to you and me even [TS]

01:31:46   email sometimes sure where they say John [TS]

01:31:49   Robert does not know about technology [TS]

01:31:51   well or they speculate they speculate [TS]

01:31:55   whether or not i dunno about technology [TS]

01:31:58   and pretending not to or I just don't [TS]

01:32:01   know about technology and don't know [TS]

01:32:03   that I don't know [TS]

01:32:04   oh that's right they got one person [TS]

01:32:05   brought the dunning-kruger effect which [TS]

01:32:07   I know kind of group right and what they [TS]

01:32:09   don't realize is that i use the internet [TS]

01:32:11   all the time to look up chat Chapman [TS]

01:32:13   Stick face and I doubt that they're [TS]

01:32:15   using internet that way so who knows how [TS]

01:32:17   do you just sent me a music video that [TS]

01:32:19   over 30 million people have seen that [TS]

01:32:21   never seen or heard anything and I [TS]

01:32:24   battle got more hits than David pumpkins [TS]

01:32:26   you know drummer who's you know the [TS]

01:32:28   wrong band watch David pumpkins have you [TS]

01:32:30   seen that David pumpkins I never saw i [TS]

01:32:33   missed our animals writing capybaras so [TS]

01:32:35   that's true yeah you know again we got [TS]

01:32:37   some nice feedback from people about the [TS]

01:32:39   capybaras I think we helped a lot of [TS]

01:32:40   people with that [TS]

01:32:41   yeah I think we do every episode i think [TS]

01:32:43   we we are definitely a harbinger for the [TS]

01:32:44   future here just bringing up this whole [TS]

01:32:46   issue I mean you've heard a little bit [TS]

01:32:47   of a chatter about comfort animals but I [TS]

01:32:51   i think we have really elevated level [TS]

01:32:54   discussion about this [TS]

01:32:55   well sure it's it's easy to it's easy to [TS]

01:32:58   say it's easy to sit with a t-shirt [TS]

01:32:59   cannon [TS]

01:33:00   yeah about comfort animals but when you [TS]

01:33:02   realize comfort animals are the future [TS]

01:33:04   of civilization now where are you now [TS]

01:33:06   which internet are you now which and [TS]

01:33:08   which in turn am I on yeah right which-- [TS]

01:33:11   that's it that's a question we don't ask [TS]

01:33:12   ourselves enough now which what which [TS]

01:33:14   internet is my internet there's [TS]

01:33:16   different internets yeah don't don't [TS]

01:33:17   think that your internet is the same [TS]

01:33:19   internet is somebody else's internet [TS]

01:33:20   even somebody sitting in the same room [TS]

01:33:22   as you thought about badlipreading you [TS]

01:33:23   seen this too much you've seen [TS]

01:33:27   you've seen Santana jams oh yeah okay [TS]

01:33:30   I've seen those I've seen those what [TS]

01:33:32   about trying to think of some other ones [TS]

01:33:34   out what about that the hamsters are [TS]

01:33:37   eating tiny food have you seen that [TS]

01:33:39   hmm i think you know hamsters eating [TS]

01:33:41   tiny food is just like spending a [TS]

01:33:43   weekend with a man look at the burrito [TS]