00:00:00 ◼ ► this episode of Roderick on the line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/0">TS</a>]
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00:00:17 ◼ ► hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► yeah yeah you know it is it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► actually we're starting early good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► yeah 3 minutes early ding dong woo hoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► that's how about the place next door how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► they're like renovating for two months I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► told you about this right yeah you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► oh my god citizens of banging the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► out yeah there's some banging also i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► mean it's gonna clear this up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/46">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► there may be some noise i will do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► usual poor attempt to mute but uh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/49">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► think this play it's a shitshow the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► Terran stuff i think these guys might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► mmm the contractors they've got busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► yeah i mean for example my daughter I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► like to walk by and just gonna stick our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/66">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► heads in to see what's going on course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► yes so we noticed that they tour of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► bunch of the floor and there were lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► of like several inches to a foot deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► doesn't seem normal as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► demolition process knowing you it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► very sandy soil where you are absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► should be excellent drainage yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/84">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► you think so and but then we walked by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/87">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and there was a whole bunch of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► the orange like heavy duty extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► cord how the budget that's sitting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► pool of water right now listen I'm no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/97">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► junior high safety video but just here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► to say I don't know if that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► practicing construction was it plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► into anything like just resting my just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► been storing it in the water was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► that's actually pretty standard yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► pretty standard yet women if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► read the manual actually if you buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► stormwater don't snore at the store in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/119">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► standing water storage standing water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/122">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► you know what standing water gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► yeah boom you know what I i forgot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/131">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► get mine on keyboard all i have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/134">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► now Mikey Porsha get my show you my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► keyboard yeah i don't know i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► people like to hear the keyboard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► they know they know that research being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► done they know that they know the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► is getting you know what I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► let's let's let's let's clear the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► about this because people right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► they were they right in a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/154">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► letters yeah you know and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► everybody's got a thought in that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/158">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► ok but you know if you hear me typing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► johns talking please don't assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► i'm bored assume that it's my job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► make the show go and have to show things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► and sometimes that requires typing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► today you're really gonna hear it see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/170">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► this i haven't used this one in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/171">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► but this is what this one sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/172">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► the thing that the thing that viewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► should know is that you know it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► cannot on this show who you cannot let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► your guard down for a second all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/183">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► kidding me you know like you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► get bored and start surfing the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► because whoa you might come back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► the conversation and we're all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► out you know we're all the way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/193">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► talking about which dog is which Beatle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► you know like what if you had to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► velvet painting of the beatles as dog on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► capturing that who would be what right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► you're gonna and you're going to just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► like oh sorry i was surfing the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► july worry I lose sleep over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► because i think a lot of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/213">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► god bless you I'm glad you're enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/215">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► podcast welcome i'm glad but I worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► sometimes that people get so used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/219">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► listen to these goddamn spoon-fed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/220">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► wow you know in a good way like I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► sure sure this kind of shows we go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► here's the thing we're talking about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/231">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► this is what we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► here you can't do that you can't go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► a beverage and just hope you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► catch up your mind gold you're leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I think a lot of the reason that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► listen to this program over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► four sometimes five times all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► who is it the first time I listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► yeah matter like i didn't get all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► and so the second time I listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► while they were doing the dishes still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► so the third time they sat in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► living rooms upstairs 3rd time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/262">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► angry the other angry there staring at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► the speaker now they're not listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► internet put it on this the speaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► have seen accuracies their lives staring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► at the speaker yeah they realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► uh-huh but you know the sixth time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► listen you realize it's really your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► well the six-time presumably you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► yeah you're listening to the program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► eyes closed in front of a speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Johnny are you checking your email why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/288">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► you're doing this no I'm afraid you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► cannot know you gonna sit you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► yeah and you're gonna listen you for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/295">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► those notes you took in your Italian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► nope you're gonna realize how much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/298">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► got wrong because you miss things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► your car is your is your child sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► in a car seat babbling some fucking kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► no leave it that's right are you sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► are you waiting for the light to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► right all the food there's a lot to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► i was at a conference this past week who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► you went all the way to the sudden so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► yeah the wonderful zoso conference uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► run by wonderful and bees and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► there were a lot of podcasters there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► no yeah it's it's lousy with podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► lousy with podcast also look at a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► makers there John every single person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► there was a maker who or a creative some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/334">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► kind but the and and they're more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► that I'm gonna circle back to that ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► but a lot of podcasters and also a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► of podcast consumers interesting so in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► way it was sort of a podcast trade fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► there are a lot of booths a you would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► around and pick up swagg each booth as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► long as they could get your email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► yeah sure no no that's not how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► happened at all but a lot of people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/363">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► to talk to me first of all I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► yeah because they say oh merlin mann is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► it true that and I'm like let me stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► well not awkward oh no don't you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► people having children is a Merlin what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► this Merlin mean when he and then I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► god I have no idea this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► no no it's wonderful there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► Merlin fans out there my god there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► they're starved for Merlin time and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► kind of sort of Merlin problem and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► but the interesting thing is talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► other podcasters about their experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► podcasting oh you know you know sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► around a big table there's a big roast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► on the table but candelabra are burnin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► the wine is flowing the wine is flowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► someone's playing a lute that is we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► pretty much just out at nine tyke i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► guess and then everyone has a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► experience because everyone this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► crazy thing about podcasting that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► of people don't know everyone does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► different kind of podcast everyone does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/430">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► a different kind of podcast yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► it's a situation where one person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/435">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► instructive for another person doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► podcast but really every podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► different Merlin oh my god that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► strangely like life where people like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► give advice because they went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► the mouse maze in this given way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► they found cheese and didn't die so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► pretty sure that you write a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/459">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► it well and what what and who moved my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► cheese right became a national and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► international bestseller who my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► about it was a lot of what people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► to talk about is podcasting was how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► one make a living podcast well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► know what I wanted to talk about is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► is podcasting such an illegitimate art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► form because it really is up to him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► oh you know what I saw many notes i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► want to say in passing us I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► sounds like you did talk to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/497">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► people like and you tell me the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► that I got people have many quotes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► you on the twitter which is an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► it sounds like you were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/506">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► you pushed back against the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► doing this because it was too felt too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► easy that was a fair this is ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► the big question right I as I was / as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► was preparing to go onstage it as in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► cases when you go on stage it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► one of the things i was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► quite a bit was that extemporaneous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► performance comes very naturally to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► for a lot of people it's it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/534">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► hard right they don't want to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► know it's like everybody's nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► right you're pushed out onstage with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► you have no and you're not prepared they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► say they say animals has been updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► conventional wisdom for a long time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► American second greatest fears death and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► their first greatest fear is public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► add to that whether or not that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/554">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► add to that going out and winning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► going on that that's the stuff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► nightmares for a lot right but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► it really is right you push out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► and and it's and your and the lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► come on and it's a big room full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► people you don't know what you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► to do and watching people at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► conference to get up and give speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► it was obvious that a lot of lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► speaker's even though they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► were professionally very accomplished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► everyone was very interested in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/581">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► they had to say they were full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► anxiety just about the performance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► their talk like I have to go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► talk for 20 minutes in front of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► and so they have a PowerPoint and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► they have their script and their script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► is is scrolling at their feet on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► television set and when I was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► for backstage a lot of times you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► the speaker's very naturalistic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► there it's word-for-word kind of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► prepared text and so part of what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/608">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► wanted to talk about was look I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► walking out here i have no I'm i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► really done very little preparation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► and honestly if if if I looked over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► the side of the stage after my 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► minutes was done and there was somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► holding a sign that said can you stretch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► I'd be like great like this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► thing it's not like you're like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► playing at the opening of them all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/638">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► stretch shirt still a visit at isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/645">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► propelling well i'm playing with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► monitors at 7am in front of the mall now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► this is just me talking to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► stuff and I could do it for hours but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► the but somehow the fact that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► everyone's greatest fear and and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► most people very difficult to do doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► impart any sense that doing it is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/668">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► technical skill that should be reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► should be rewarded cook commensurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► with its difficulty right like if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/685">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► you are a mathematician everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► recognizes that that's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► they don't know how to do it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► say this is something that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► should be either rewarded for with pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/698">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► four-minute mile you know you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► medal or everybody applauds but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► a sense of if you can get up and wing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► that you're getting away with murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► somehow you know everyone's reactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► are like Oh mm um you didn't try very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► hard or you know there's a there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► feeling or men and maybe it's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► maybe I'm just the one carrying this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► that somehow the person that slaved for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► weeks over the powerpoint demonstration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► in order that they control their anxiety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► performance has done more work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► therefore their performances more valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► than the person who can get up and given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/750">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► an entertaining talk without notes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► this was a this was this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/760">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► that's always kind of been my I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► wrestling with this right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► the most fun I have is doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► podcast in some ways it's something I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► very very proud of or maybe even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► most proud of but we you and I just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► on here and wing it every week and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/777">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► also feels a little illegitimate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/780">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► yeah that this be our that this be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► something were rewarded for that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► b.i.g even considered a job over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/788">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► it's just like a two guys jacking off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► and it's it's it's it's a skill set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► it'sit's just as difficult as as being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► good painter or something but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► it seems like i don't know somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/804">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► invalid who and I wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► that but then when I got on stage I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► made like 40 minutes of Portland jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► and then drop trial flip the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► off went and then standing out classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► Roderick you know what I mean because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/824">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► that's my brand you know and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► people come and that's what they expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/828">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► when you look nice today was there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► actually mostly at well at adams request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► we swore that we would make poop jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► huh and it's got requests we swore that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/839">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► we would make Portland jokes and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► went out there and i did about 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► yeah it was all put Portland all poop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► you can't help yourself yeah i'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/848">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► little bit yeah yeah um so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► you know I I thought I got thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► yeah I look at people better you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► really really really really put a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► effort into doing these things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► sort of that are second nature to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► obviously like I would have to put a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► of effort into doing something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► that's what's really hard for me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► this came up on the very special relayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► FM members-only edition of reconcile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► differences on what you were kind enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► to guests that came up at the end where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► you're saying you wish you were you wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► you were more than a jack-of-all-trades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► something and our friend John syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► it took me to task on this thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/895">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► a professional musician like yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► you get paid you get to do stuff or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► get to do stuff I know to what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/901">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► and then it's gonna be its own reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► man everybody's trying to steal your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► copper pipe but the but yeah I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► made an interesting point which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► he ran okay let me try something up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► way I think that so I I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► more about a bunch of details that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► wrapped up in what you're saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► have to do with things like how you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/923">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► about the audience is feeling about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/925">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► what are the stakes for it going wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► because i think that greatly changes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► equation for a lot of people but set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/932">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► that aside for a minute I think anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► that doesn't feel impossibly difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► to US doesn't feel like work and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► that's a problem and i'm not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► about anything here and I I this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► very back to work is kind of point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/944">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► suspicious of things that aren't where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► we have like I don't know if it's sunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► cost fallacy or something but where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► we put a bunch of effort time education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► and resources into one part of our life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► and that's not the part that is our job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► we feel like we're it work with feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/961">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► like we're being not just not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► were getting away with something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► that we're like almost we're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► disloyal to the time that we spend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► the past and I think that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/975">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► that's great because it can make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► want to stick with it and try harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► you know thrive but other times it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► really works across purposes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► it's not just that it's easy but if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► something that feels good to do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► people are suspicious of it and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► very privileged thing to say because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► we're really we're really fortunate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► lot of ways to get to do what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/994">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► doing but I think that's true for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► everybody were like if you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► there's this some some part of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► I'm I'm from the Midwest your mantra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► I think there is a certain kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► don't know if it's Puritan but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► certain kind of Midwestern feeling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► if you're happy you're probably doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► yeah i think it's i think it's quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► but but yeah i agree if you're happy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► that's I mean that's reductive and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► trying to make this about more than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► this podcast but yeah get the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► thing just just just to circle back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► one thing was on and we'll get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► beatles dogs i hope but in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► think about this though you're going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► front of a bunch of people wear well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► were you worried worried worried that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► the audience would not be receptive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► what you had to say what were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► concerned really like losing sleep over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► like whether people would be going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► this with a negative feeling about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► pretty loaded for bear or conversely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► like were you worried that you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► make a certain case to that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► audience and did that cause you stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► before the talk I mean there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► bit of stress now involved in getting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► and giving speeches just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► mansplaining particularly middle-aged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► white men explaining middle mansplaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► is so fraught right that there's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► are camps in which my presence at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► event is already suspect already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► problematic and so you know standing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► on stage in front of people and being my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► natural self and saying hello everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► I'm a big middle-aged white guy didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► suck a bag of different things to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► nice to meet you I've got ideas about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► there's there is now a you know like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► inhibition that that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► people in the audience primed to be at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► to be looking for a problem or or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► know and they're one end and at the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► at this XOXO there was up there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► person who to me very clearly came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► already angry and found a way to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► like and tweeted halfway through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► presentation about my unexamined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► privilege halfway through a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► that you know she she did not bother 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► and she didn't tweet at the end right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► she had heard things in the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► of the presentation that made her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► realize that the first half of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► presentation was set up and then the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► know the message of the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► relieves the tension of the first half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► it's a big part of performance so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► halfway through she's already tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► about my own examine privilege and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► feeling is that she came into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► conference either having already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► underlined by name as a person that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► was going to you know was going to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► up a critique of on these on this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► right i mean she was she was already mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► that i was there and then up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► someone can Fred I think it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► woman confronted me later in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► of a in like got up and came over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► yelled at me in the audience because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► i got up at the end of someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► presentation did a little bit of a Kanye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► like Taylor I'm gonna let you finish but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► I just have an anecdote here that'll and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► you know again I'm a performer was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► no no I mean that the person you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► conning know uh but they are fellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► performer and I'm there as a paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► former and my job is to perform and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► know what to provide oh what a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► performances right I'm not I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► not stepping on anybody it was a had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► anecdote it was apropos it everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► liked it but this person same person i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► think you know came over and gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► in a in an exaggerated stage whisper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► which seemed to be trying to draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► they gave me a lecture about how I how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► rude i had been in you know in standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► up and making a comment to the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► she was entirely incorrect and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► felt like she came into the event loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► for bear looking for a reason you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► so there is a certain amount of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► when I'm preparing to give a talk at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► XOXO for instance where I'm like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► know is there going to be something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► my eye you know I know there's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► be anything in my presentation but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► there just something in my main you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► something in just my in my person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► someone in the audience is going to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► it is going to trigger something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► going to trigger someone else just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► the way that i carry myself in the sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► my voice in my casualness in the fat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► the very fact that i am comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► standing up in front of a room that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► alone is evidence of my status as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► white male in a patriarchal culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► so my comfort is a priori on offense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► reflecting on my comfort in anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► other than an apologetic tone for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► very existence is an offense so but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► don't have any question about my ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► to extemporaneously entertain an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► audience or to begin a story take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► through a through a journey down a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► of Rapids and at the end of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► you know have it have performed an arc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► and and at the end there's some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► resolution and it feels like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► complete work and it's like a play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► acts so I know how to do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► don't either i'm not up in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► the night going i hope that I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► halfway through and and blank or I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► you know that the audit that I'm not up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► there dying you know that stuff doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► really worry I've died a thousand deaths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► in front of a crowd and it's that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► doesn't i'm not scared of right if i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► laying jokes out there and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► laughter is tepid and it and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► like boy I really lost this audience a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► long time ago i still can get them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► you get him back just by saying boy lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► you guys a long time ago and my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► pandering to what you perceive to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► some part of the audience that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► put this pandering to there's no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► inoculate yourself is the way I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► sometimes when I'm talking to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► are thinking about doing a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► whatever that thing is one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► I feel like I've learned it's never easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► but you have to just accept that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► are always going to be people who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► don't like you and they don't like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► this is very very simple but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► kind of thing where I think people need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► to hear this i know i need to hear this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► is that sometimes there are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► people who just like on your very best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► day the best that you're capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► they still just basically don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► it doesn't make him a bad person it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► I'm that way about some people there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► just some people like you know guy fieri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► gonna tell you like his persona bugs me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► but he seems like a genuinely nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► but I don't like his persona I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► seek out his programming and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► sometimes gets to be a joke on here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► along trying to say is that like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► you what you can't do is you don't cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► muscle on the parts of your personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► or your performance style that are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► are a big part of who you are and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► you do like sometimes you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► the biggest fan of magic tricks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► illusions but I would never want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► to a show where the person onstage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► decides they're gonna do less magic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► order to make me happy because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► not what the show is about but that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► I want to circle back to this later when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► you're done but the this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► thing that's different though is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► know I i think a big part of your one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► confidence going on stages at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► least like if this thing goes totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► wrong if it goes terrible if I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► misunderstood if I say something dumb in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► a way I didn't mean to say like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► the stakes and I think that feeling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► steaks is a big part of what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► people very reluctant to do anything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► front of other people and it's also what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► causes people to not just prepare but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► maybe over-prepare until they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► squeeze every bit of personality and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► potential for the human soul of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► I'm not going to criticize that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► you're at apple and you are in a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► definition of not a successful group it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► this and you have to get up in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► a bunch of people who are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► fantastic presentations about successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► products and you've got to be the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► who goes up in your pack your PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► deck goes wrong and you have to report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► that results I'd be nervous about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► it's nice to be in a place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► feel like I can be the person I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► be in front of these people with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► appropriate and do what I think is best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► to put on a good show and you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► performer that's like--that's what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► but i think the challenge is and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► know and and XOXO is a is a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► the where that the temperatures turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► up a little bit on this which is that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► XOXO me talking to this group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► that are largely my peers the stakes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► one thing but because it's going on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► internet and because it's never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► hundred percent clear what the what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► of the moment issue is now it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► that you could because we see it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► time someone gets up and gives what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► think is in a an innocent or innocuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► presentation that they are expecting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► going to be received one way or or could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► we also stipulate it's it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► where you maybe even took pains to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► it not be something that's broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► offensive maybe then you maybe you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► you're saying something from maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► a vulnerable point about yourself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► you don't you know you're absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► there to hurt anybody's feelings or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► exercise privilege right i mean isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► that part of it is like even if you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► like you've prepared for that you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► can't really be prepared for that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► cannot because I mean I think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► buy doing exactly what you just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► which is just sort of do less magic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► if you are trying to if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► do something original and unusual and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► something in within your character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► where you're you are pushing boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► particularly as artists you need to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► boundaries that is that is the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► that's how we advance the whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► but but you get into a posture where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► we're bound Ruiz are thought of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► different thing or or respecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► boundaries is also a like a prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► directive and how to push boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► respect boundaries at the same time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► mean every person is trying to do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► a different way but you can never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► is whether your offhand comment your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► awkward attempt to recover from a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► you're um you know you're panicked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► response to a ejaculation from the crowd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► that caught you off guard that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► didn't expect whether that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► be looped and put into the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► you're going to be the next one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► pilloried and that's the thing you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► can't all you can do now is trust that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► all the years that you've spent on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► gymnastics is going to save you in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► moment but i see i see people take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► stage and that their panic is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► what if i walk out onstage and I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► down and I'm not wearing any clothes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► it's also like what if i get out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► and in the middle of a thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► going great i say the wrong thing either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► because it's written in my speech and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► didn't realize that it's that the word I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► choses is a word that two days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► became incredibly fraught or because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► somebody in the crowd goes that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► funny and I reply to them just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► spirit of the moment and that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► and the and that becomes a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► even if it worked in the room you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► what I mean like even if everybody at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► the place gets it and goes yeah but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► changes it changes the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► well but but if the one person in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► room that as you described earlier who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► just isn't going to like you no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► what your their guy fieri if that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► and his tape recording you and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► online and either in context or out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► I mean a lot of times you can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► somebody's comments completely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► context it's not always a question of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► d contextualizing you put a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► in context but if you put if you put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► like a scroll underneath that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► everything you know everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► you can call you can you can take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► context you can change the context just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► oh yeah bye-bye hang a lantern on am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► yeah right so it's like if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► background music I would feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► was an interesting scene but all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► sudden there's there's background music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► flown in the form of critical context or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► or it you know just like here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► strings are getting all tense now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► all the sudden these words have a all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► the sudden these words are now either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► offensive or have a different meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► so so yeah the stakes the potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► stakes have changed for every kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► one of these things and I'm not worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► about it at in my core you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► because there's a very real risk and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► you know I felt it just between you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► me and and sort of with everybody in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► in our peer group specifically of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► middle-aged guys making things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► all recognize that at some point or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► another we may be up on the cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► it's it's part of the it's just part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► the new reality and lots of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► spent a lot of time up on the cross in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► the past and Israeli s though not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► middle-aged white guy he's the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► is middle-aged for his time I think yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► yeah right because people don't live to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► be 60 although i heard that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► that's recently dispel turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► but you know what I'm saying like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► think I do i mean i-i I boy I got mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► super mixed not feelings just thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► about about a lot of this stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► one thing to keep in mind is that I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► to keep I'm not trying to school you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► one thing I try to keep in mind is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► we one thing that makes a potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► makes our American experiment good is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► that there are people that will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► be opposed to each other and that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► i mean this gets a little bit to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► whole you know we can all agree on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► cheese thing where we feel this need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► find something in common when well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► know if we are antithetical e opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► this one's to a certain given point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► we have to accept that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► part of the conversation and that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► we maybe neither one of us should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► things we don't think are true in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► to look like we're being collegio that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► that's a big part of it the any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► part of it is that there's i'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► at the wikipedia page for a term i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► learned in this election cycle oppo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► which is short for opposition research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► and it's the kind of dossiers that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► compiled on people it's you know along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► the lines of like somebody following a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► candidate around with a camera recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► every single thing they say and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► know being able to go in and highlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► yeah i mean but the thing is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► that's I mean I guess the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► though like is that bad is that bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► there are people who just don't like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► or don't like a given person for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► reasons to the cultural could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► I mean sometimes that means racism but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► lot of time it doesn't it just means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► that's just that's just not for me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► the way that this person presents is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► antithetical to the stuff that I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► in is that means either one of us has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► not necessarily I don't think I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► not trying to say i'm not trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► put the KKK up at XOXO that's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► letters but i'm trying to say i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► that's part of being a grown-up is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► realizing that like you should your this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► is not seventh grade you guys don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► change your personality to please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► whoever happens to be in the room or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► you're never going to become an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► person i think that the I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► we're in a state and I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► about this the other day we used to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► in a world in which the media ostensibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► tried to be nonpartisan independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► tried to be fair and balanced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► there's a ton of media critique that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► know over the years explain to us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► the media was not fair and balanced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► video was operating you know that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► talking mainstream media in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► closed system but he just in in older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► times just called the press the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► right like the people who were for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► example not reporting on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► results health state sure or Kennedy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Addison's disease yeah but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► presumption I think of a world kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► close to the one we're living in now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► where there's a lot more access the B we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► can see more deeply you could not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► could not hide Kennedy's Addison's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► disease now right because they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► there are a lot of people that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► part of the the tiny little club anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► that lets see that is newsworthy and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► and it would be capable of reporting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► what I don't think we I don't think 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► years ago media prognosticator 'he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► could have seen could have foreseen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► world in which media now is deeply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► universally biased like every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► media outlet nobody's pretending to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► unbiased anymore it's it's quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► every single everything everybody is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► reporter and everybody is putting a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► stamp on it and I'm i was thinking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► is universally biased media in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► accomplishing a lack of bias or or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► your ability to put you take if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► yeah if you take it I wasn't trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► like insert false equivalency into every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► single person's coverage you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► this as many many different voices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► understandably have a point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► yeah and that ultimately if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► trying up a more nuanced idea of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► what actually transpired is it go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► accomplishable right you can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► you can look at all of the reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► across a wide spectrum and get maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► even a better picture of what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► then if you're if five people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► they're trying to be on by its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► historically what papers in the UK have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► I mean it has not historically been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► certain papers even to this day that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► Guardian tends to be more liberal than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► historically there there it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► contentious but they were still major I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► mean they get it you needed resources to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► be able to be heard and resources always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► come with strings attached and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► just don't have that right you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► need you don't need any resources if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► you're the one person sitting there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► your cell phone when a comet streaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► across the sky yet that you did your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► footage will find a place in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► right here mean youyou that will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► the news tomorrow even if you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► only one that caught it and that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► you don't have you're not a reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► you're not getting you're not out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► working your beach and that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► there's a distinction there that started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► i'm gonna get in the nineteen eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► which is if you had a portable video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► you could be the one who is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► recording the media and res like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► basically Ronnie can King right but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► things you've always been there has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► always been the opportunity for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► be interviewed as a witness of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► but as the witness of a thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► need a semiotic air your Europe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► basically part of the story now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► you're not the one who's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► bringing the evidence of that to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► right right it's still not still like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► point of view you're the person who says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► I saw the accident and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► happened well I saw the accident and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► whereas I think there is that we tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► give more weight to something like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► know that the Bigfoot tape right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► like when you're able to go out and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► i recorded this that has primacy and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► that's something that didn't exist as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► widely before release the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► probably the nineties right but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► the the the other side and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► that we're now in a I don't know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► this is a transitional moment or whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► it's this is this is the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► transitional moments right you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► know whether this is just a five-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► blip or whether this is the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► a new way of thinking and in most cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► i think it's both right it's both a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► five-year blip and also five years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► now we're going to be on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► of this and will be somewhere different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► than we would have been but everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► a pundit now everybody's x everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► thinks that they're hot take is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► newsworthy and that's what makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► that's what makes the moment so pregnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► like that and and I thought about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► relative to this woman coming up to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► in the audience and trying to dress me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► ultimately what happened was i did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► performance and she didn't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► performance and in that sense it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► like you say you don't have to be liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► by everybody there's always going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► somebody that doesn't like Guy Fieri and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► performance but her sense of her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► importance or her sense of her role in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► that situation was not like I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► like that performance but rather she saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► herself as the I mean her job in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► situation was to school me and shame me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► and correct the wrong and she had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► agency there she wasn't a stakeholder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► she was just purchased a observer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► all of a sudden she adopted it was now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► her responsibility to on behalf of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► people onstage fellow performers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► she needed now to write this injustice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► and that's new and and it isn't simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► I'm i don't like that performer I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► like that performance and in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► you would go home and you dried-up you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► write up a blog post or you would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► an article for the local newspaper that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► said this was a performance I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► was bad but to add that other elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► of you know i am a i'm a crusader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► personally for and and both working as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► as a like a media member and also as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► what is this other what what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► other job you know the job of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► like the the sort of puritanical the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► the one picking up the first stone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► know almost but I mean here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► is the part of his shifting the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► what we consider a political space so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► you know the kinds of folks who started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► let's say in particular you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► people who were striking for union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► issues in previous generations or in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► sixties and seventies people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► protesting whether that is segregation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► or protesting nuclear proliferation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► you know there are people who took an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► active role in saying like i need to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► paraphrase that guy from berkeley you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► know throw yourself upon the gears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► it's my job here to go in and disrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► what's happening here because and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► we can all disagree on whether it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► appropriate or not but I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► there was a time when you could say look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► you know I I don't want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► I'm going to chain myself to a fence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► the kind of folks who would say like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► gonna go put a daisy into the the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► officers rifle with whatever but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► just that now today it feels like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► don't have a strong super strong opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► that now the politics has moved from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► know Superfund sites two stages and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► people who want to throw themselves upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► the gears and levers are by the are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► taking sent a similar role to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► people would have done to protest in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► different time whether I agree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► or not they feel so strongly about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► that they can't allow this to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► interrupted yeah is I mean I guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► I mean there's not really a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► there do you see any analog between what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► generations to whether that's the lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► you know attacking mechanical devices or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► whether that's people saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► I'm gonna sit at this lunch counter do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► you see if you don't you see that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► part of some extension of a protest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► say I'm just doing it in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► place now I well I mean I i see exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► and I wonder and i think it's i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► it's related to the fact that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► it's very clear to members of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► community though the left-right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► we're living in a world in which blacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► and Hispanics and women and transgender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► people are being oppressed by a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► patriarchal of like uber culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► when you listen to the Trump supporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► they are equally convinced that white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► Christian America is being violently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► oppressed by the like Mochaccino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► coalition of liberal intellectual media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► Hollywood well yeah that's that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► the tease out is it sits cysts they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► yeah but that we are that the left is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► the is the majority is them is the mega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► culture and that they're that the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► Christian America is is increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► being violently suppressed and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► start to listen to everyone's story now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► in the u.s. he realized that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► single person every single political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► group every every entity has a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► in which they are being victimized and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► oppressed by a majority out and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► leaves me with the feeling that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► every single person is not every group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► simultaneously oppressed by a by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► majority but that is the that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► current it's not it's not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► vocabulary and it's not an expedient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► political system it's a it's heartfelt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► it's very clear it in the minutiae right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► in each individual case of police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► brutality or of all the injustice 'as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► specificity it's very clear who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► oppressor is and what our job as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► oppressed or representatives of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► oppressed or allies of the oppressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► like where where our work should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► where to focus our efforts right but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► listen to the other side of the aisle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► oppression there's just exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► conviction that in this instance and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► that instance and in that instance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► oppression is so clear and so dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► and so threatening and they are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► stringing together a narrative extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► compelling to themselves that those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► spells a you know a widespread culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► of intolerance that's coming from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► other side of the aisle and so although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► I absolutely see like the analogy you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► making to the anti-war movement with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► civil rights movement where people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► our see an injustice and are trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► change themselves to to the gates of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► weapons plant that is there percent i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► think that is absolutely people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► perception of their of the work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► they're doing but it's happening it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► more and more granular all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► until you meet people who use who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► also i mean like again not to not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► just keep dumping on this this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► individual but she was a white woman at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► a at a conference you had to apply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► attend that cost a lot of money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► attend but she was perceiving herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► not only as a victim but also as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► defender of other people that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► imposing victimhood on you get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► that this is happening is the way you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► describing this kind of sounds like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► blanket party on John you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► feeling this person was there to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► other things of this sort with different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► ideas and causes or do you think she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► just was specifically wanted to take you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► I I mean who knows I'm it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► went and read her Twitter feed but her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► her comments to me in both instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► were um you know like presupposed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► truth that didn't exist like she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► judging me based on my appearance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► presumed from my appearance and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► position at the festival that I was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► these things that she was against her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► and she came into the festival already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► against those things and found a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► that we found a way to it to fit my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► behavior however little it resembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► what she thought it was you know into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► but I see it at in trying to make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► in trying to parse our our our current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► political situation like I hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► same kind of like confidence indignation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► from people that I disagree with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► totally and I'm talking about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► that think that the that the white race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► is under attack but the tone and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► the victimhood is like a note for knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► coming from the same emotional place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► that's why I feel like this is a this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► a transitional moment right we cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► continue along a path where we each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► individually become more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► convinced that we are being sailed by at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► you know by every other group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► stakeholders you know that we it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► it's a it's a moment and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► people are going to have to start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► this is part of I think acknowledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► your privilege which is that each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► individual group is going to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► start acknowledging their own power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► acknowledging it in its appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► context and saying you know like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► NOT a victim I am empowered there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► challenges i still feel disenfranchised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► but that dissing front that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► disenfranchisement I feel in this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► conspiracy to disenfranchise me it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► simply that I'm encountering people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► disagree or that you know that my power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► is truncated in this way and in that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► was historically but actually I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► a lot of power now i am a you know I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► middle-class university student or I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► a you know I'm a successful business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► person or I am i I'm just a blogger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► my voice is heard in a way that that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► no one of my stature could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and-and-and that that's the next level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► well yeah that or acknowledging its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► just examining it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► nobody I mean acknowledging part is huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► but I mean that's and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► actually super instructive it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► really it's been a good tonic for me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► much as I push back initially it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► a good tonic for me as a human being but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► i wanna just say one thing here on from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► admittedly admittedly from a remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► because i'm not super involved in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► conversation but i think it's been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► been very interesting to remove watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► the evolution discussion about feminism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► which started out for a long time is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► mostly white women and their allies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► over time there's a different strain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► that developed of white people black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► feminism and a very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► strain of latina feminism and a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► different approach for that and like do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► how is this inclusive is this the angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► you know that's just the whole idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► feminism is not some spray on approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► fundamentally different way of thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► about the world an idea that has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► biggest people are still getting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► head around i remember you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► gender studies class i had college first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► being presented with that idea at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► age of about twenty be pretty blown away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► because i always thought oh blah pra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► that's just that's so silly like we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► how do we need to do this just that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► that fits that I mean and how I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► I'm very intrigued by that idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► even white women in that instance are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► going to have to look at a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► unexamined hot precepts about what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► believe and historically have existed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► certain way in order not simply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► accommodate other people but to truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► understand that for me to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► understand the nature of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► we're mostly my kind of voice of has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► privacy it's really important for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► open my idea of what this thing is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► that means sitting listening to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► people who historically have been out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► there saying i wanted i wanna defend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► I want to support whose position i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► assume i'm taking care of and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► come up and a lot of you know black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► ladies come up and go you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► actually we would do this a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► Latina ladies come up and say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► what we would do this a real different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► that's AII that's something where every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► time i hear about that I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► intrigued and it's not a snarky way at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► it's another way of saying like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► when we talk about if there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► well the most important part of is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► white guys learn to suck it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► realize that we're not the king of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► everything left side that I really feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► that way but the second part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► what you're describing that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► guys you need to learn this more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► anybody else but it doesn't stop there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► by any stretch and I think if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► anything that's a little bit damaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► and destructive it's to sit on a perch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and feel like we finally understood how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► a situation works it's the softness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► openness to understanding how other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► people have a point of view about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► things that that helps these ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► become something more than just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► this striding political position it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► becomes a way of what's up as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► understanding the world in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► really illuminating yeah and connect can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► be can be a wonderful thing so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► trying to pass off the hole where you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► prove which 2i got the most boy believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► me I i I'm getting that but it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► intriguing to watch and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► then to see how that will evolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► where is it you know it's we think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► that d punching up and punching down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► you know at what point is interrupting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that show not punching up you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► I mean I'm absolutely and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► think to your point like there is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► a tremendous energy within white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► feminists that fails to I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► very defensive when confronted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► feminists of color right like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► like that is that kind of the tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► within feminism is fascinating to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► but like the the approach right in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► cultural moment of acknowledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► privilege and being and in a way being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► ashamed of that that first moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► like oh my god i didn't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► and I'm ashamed that i was operating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► the world thinking that I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► that I have the same challenges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► advantages that it just never occurred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► to me i had um and that that idea of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► of saying wow I have a lot of advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► that I wasn't aware of and that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► taking away the the element of of um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► really of shame about it but also of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► saying like that i mean each individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► person has advantages even out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► cultural context that that we weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► taught to think that any of us really to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► wake up in the morning and count our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► advantages and and acknowledge like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► gracefully and with humility that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► everybody has those advantages and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► aren't limited to advantages of gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► or race and that is a very I think up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► its on the path to a very much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► spiritual culture at and right now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► in a in this moment where a lot of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► intellectual capital is being kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► expended both sort of pillorying other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► people for privileged that they aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► privileged that in a lot of cases we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► we're now trying to address at all times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► right or or to the best of our ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► but you can't you can't seed power right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► and you know where you have to you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► to take power and that's Machiavelli but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► it is an untrue right power that's given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► to you by somebody else is power that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► they still hold and if if it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► granted to you it doesn't belong to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► power is something that he sees and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► hold and that's both individually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► Colt and you know in cultures but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► i think is to say you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► Christians and say you guys are you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► have all the advantages right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► them your ostensibly the majority and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► all these oil workers down in Louisiana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► who are living on food stamps are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► what the fuck are you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► we feel a sale that every at every level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► acknowledgement of our privilege is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► to sort of it like acknowledge their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► lack of it and and that isn't confined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► right i mean every day now I wake up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► not only reflect on my own privilege but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► reflect on the many many ways that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► person even even the richest guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► Seattle wakes up and feels under assault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► somehow like nobody had a nobody had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► good day yesterday moving away right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► we've talked about that quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► the the fact that bill gates's day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► yesterday was probably pretty hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► part of being human part of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► successful human is to accept that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► and have sympathy for him to have sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► and have sympathy for him to have sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► empathy for everybody that you encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► and that's why you don't see shitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► things to people on the internet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► why you don't it's why you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► gamer Gator but it's also important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► not wake up in a in like a a feeling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► superiority because everybody's having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► bad time but you know there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► part of this state's I that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► complicated i wish i could talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► this at a time other than we just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► about a lot of political and cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► things but there's another part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► regardless of the side that you're on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► do feel like there's a very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► culture of telling people what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► these days to sort of your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► topic for so long it is really like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► say you know what the internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► constantly telling you that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► enjoying life wrong but here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► so they're doing the internet wrong yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► but like it's in this i'm trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► a slight bridge to the personal which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► an impossible bridge to make because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► person has become very political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3658">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► so in a if if we could just play along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► with me for a minute that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► developed into a more gotcha culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► trying to find what somebody's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► the one downside of that is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► stakes for changing have become a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► higher and there is less and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► incentive to want to fix something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► yourself if it makes it look like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► a flip-flopper or being disloyal or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► understand the need for stridency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► lots of things on a personal basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► part that I struggle with is and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► know I'm not trying to tell anybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► I'm just I'm just this is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► personal feeling is that it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► difficult when you do feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► doing what you can in whatever way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► it's understandably not always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► be it's never going to be enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► some folks but i guess the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► I'd love to see it evolve toward is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► where a conversation about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► like privilege goes from being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► opportunity where you admit that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► wrong about everything to chance for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► personal growth and the chance for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► personal growth requires that you allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► yourself to become kind of vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► even publicly vulnerable and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► risk to go straight back to talk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► front of a crowd i think the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► being publicly vulnerable is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► tough for a lot of people on every side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► of every aisle and the more the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► pitched these things become and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► higher the stakes it feels like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► personally by admitting there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► that you could do better and I i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► that that is a second or third stage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► for a lot of kinds of changing growth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► get to that point that there has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► this certain kind of you know nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► violent political confrontation to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► things happen but like I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► forward to the point where it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► okay to admit that you have feelings one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► way or another and have a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► about that and that not go straight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► the political had that nut goes straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3778">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► to the like here's the highlight reel of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► how this person is a garbage person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► because they changed their mind about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► something on either or any side and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► you know as long as it's this difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► to talk about something and have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► an idea that you try on like a suit as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► you like to say as long as that has such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► potential Giants takes to it it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► for anybody to talk honestly and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► anything in any side to go you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► I got that part wrong even if you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► person who's trying to castigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► somebody on the other side was doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► wrong you know if you were wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► are you gonna admit that you doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► no because you're just as invested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► that as the other person has now doubled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► down on their investment in that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► and that doesn't get us anywhere because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► that's then that's why this election [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► year is partly why it's so disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► it's nuts we all just dug in further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► further and further and nobody's allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► to be a little bit broken for a while in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► the service of becoming fixed the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► i feel that this is a that this is a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► momentary space is that in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► things like this I always sort of asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► what's the what's your endgame like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► calling attention to people's privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► what is the end game and I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► about you know looking out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► it can operate within a space where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3857">TS</a>]
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01:13:38 ◼ ► here's something you're going to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► empirically interesting you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► hear a bunch of people talk and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► talent show ya talkin and you're welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► to bring your family would be a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► getaway for you that's a nice offer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► i said uh is a pig or is this an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► thanks for thinking of me ! John and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4434">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► reply is its kind of all of the above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► that's not acoustic storytelling small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► oh i see you're so lucky right you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► yeah and so I wrote back and said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► it does sound very much like I am being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► asked to perform a show because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► just a guitar strum er I'm also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► storyteller so to say like play a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► songs tell some stories like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► thing doesn't mitigate the other right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► like the storytelling isn't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► that casual of fires the guitar player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► it's all about the framing the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► they're framing it is this they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► trying to frame this in a very specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► yeah come on out detective frame it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► you are very fortunate to be invited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► this particular teddy bear picnic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► you know on top of it all dude it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► gonna it's an experience and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► we're gonna give you money too can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► believe it a little bit you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► bring your family because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► that's how generous we are ya now I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► online and I looked at this firm they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► have like 40 plus employees and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► a big resort somewhere up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► mountains that they're taking over for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► this event and you know when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► everybody's kind of a chief something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► officer who's like 40 people and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► all have you know Chief development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► somebody but they did just really gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► them you get the impression that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► that the lowest-paid person at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► place works amazing makes eighty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► yeah and it goes up from there right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► chief creative officer whoever this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► is obviously is making a $250,000 here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► and I haven't heard back with the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► stipend is but i'm guessing two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► fifty dollars uh-huh right isn't that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► about the small stipend area i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► small stipend is definitely a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► yeah well i think a lot a lot under yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► honorarium you think I think I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► than honorarium says a lot that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► lieutenant-colonel kind of thing to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► a stipend is like this will let you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► some bottled water there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► here's a little stipend it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► like a per deem uh-huh but so I ran this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► email by all the other podcasters at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► festival who are all people that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► asked to give this kind of speech or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► this kind of thing was like hey come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► out yeah to our event you'll have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► uncomfortable bed in a weird room we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► it you'll be basically onstage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► entire time because everybody else at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► this event works together and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► all bored of each other and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► inviting you because you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► like cause everybody knows you and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► top of the list of people to invite and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► so from the moment you wake up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► morning you're going to be performing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► and then you're going to put on a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► for us and a and it's going to be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► and then we're all going to sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► and I know you don't drink so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► there will be some Martinelli's apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► well we all get drunk around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► campfire yeah it's going to be amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► he performed campfire sucks for ya and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► then you play the game and then you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► bring it out because of course you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► to bring in the guitar out with you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► if you say no everybody's gonna go all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► so you're you know absolutely going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► bring the guitar out there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► hopefully someone else will also play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► the guitar and we'll get drunk enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► that you can have them the guitar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► like a knife like they are you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► if I could ask just what state in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► Washington State up in the mountains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► where is it like a hour or less away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► let's call it an hour and a half ok so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► two hours big part there there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► um well that who I don't know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► people ask me things like that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► hell i wean myself off this but i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► there was a time when somebody ask me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► something like that i would say to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► would you do this for the same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► money and if they said yes I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► would I said well that's even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► yeah because you really don't value your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► time you must not realize how much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► you should be making out what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► so now you're dealing and your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► dishonest you're dishonest would you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► and do your job here when you maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► that's a thing for a while there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► whole like I'm gonna go to a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► guy thing like I just go and I give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► talks about deep doop doop doop but man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► that's still that still gets my dander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► up why don't we have a conversation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► adults about this if you want to hire me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► like what we have that discussion but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► the fact that you keep bringing it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► to the campfire spaghetti party we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► yeah so and so i have so i have so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► I don't ask the podcasters everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► rolled their eyes because everybody gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► you mean we've all this is not a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► conversation will talk about this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► the time all the hilarious letters we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► get asking us to perform for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► and uh oh and often a thing like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► where it's a you know this is a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► firm that is they're going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► twenty-five thousand dollars for a food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► and sundries this event right answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► yeah i think if I loved about that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► other part to ask is how much are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► charging anything for people to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► no i think it's i think it's just a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► getaway for staff such as the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► design people to go in and we'll walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► yeah and just you know and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► thing we're just gonna talk we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► share creative sup second hang out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► shit man and the and the shell real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► chill the presumption that I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► as much out of talking to these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► spitballing with them about creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► stuff as they're going to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► spitballing that stuff with me right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► mean i went to it did I went to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► advertising agency at one point not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► long ago that was owned by some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► friends and they said hey what if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► just gave you a desk here and i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► this was a big firm and I said an odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► thing to say I said how do you mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► were like we'll just give you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► desk up here at the executive level on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► which is a separate floor and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► includes can hang out and do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► yeah and you can come and just use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► space and just be around and hang out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► and I was like and I mean what goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► along with the desk card are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► Wow now I mean it's more like just here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► so we have extra space you come and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► was like I come and we sit around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► our wheelchairs wheeling around throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► pencils at the ceiling and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► turns into a big ad campaign for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► guys and I'm and I lucked out in having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► a desk that's a different than your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► know like critique of the privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► thing so if this goes really well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► yeah we'll know that that has turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► great in a year because what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► well and the thing is every time I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► by there they would walk me through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► their latest campaigns and be like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► you think of that and i would say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► that word right there is a little corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► or did you ever consider this or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► maybe like nice so yeah there's a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► they want me there to give that give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► a free desk but because we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► creatives it just seems like let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► get in the creative space and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► create drama can and so that's the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► know like I'm going to go up to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► mountain event and we're going to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► brainstorm with each other about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► creative shit you know would help me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► that i SAT with the with my guitar in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► room and wrote some songs like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► what I am a part of the whole point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► this man is getting away from the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► chive that are the point man we gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► get off campus just like fucking just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► freaked out a little man just freaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► out so David Reed david reese said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► would ask for ten thousand dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► he didn't look with six i would ask four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► thousand dollars beep boop boop and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► was like you know the tent the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► $10,000 is definitely that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► line where you are saying go fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► yourself unless you come back and say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► you have now made us realize what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► you're the asshole you got invited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► Thanksgiving dinner and you want to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► them a fucking invoice yeah what a dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► that's right I'm i was allowed to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► my family all my god that they even said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► you could bring your family we could all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► this week's winner is basically a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► vacation John it's a prevarication and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► think and I think what you know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► in my I would never write this in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► email to them but you know what i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► what I would say if one of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► is it i like to choose my own vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► yeah it's funny how that works yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► can I'm perfectly capable of of finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► a way to vacation with my family I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► need that opportunity in lieu of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► but it's it's strange when you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► and it can this came through this didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► come directly from the chief creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► officer he knows a friend of mine who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► in the in the show business and sent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► to her and she sent it to me with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► own little like this sounds like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► did I don't know if this is up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► alley but this sounds like a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► opportunity right and so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► replying to him i'm replying to her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► so I have now the potential to alienate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► not just the guy but my friend because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► he sent it to her like hey can you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► your God can you use your magic to God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► rates not a public library you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► thing is shame on them if you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► know if you're a public library if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► macintosh user group like if your st. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► Jude's you know you could write to John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► Rother can say hey look what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► we have any money but we'd love for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► to come yeah or you could say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► basically pay for flight that's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► mind that i don't mind getting that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► somebody that admits that this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► this is this is this what I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► is being made to feel like a turd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► because you're trying to do a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► brother-in-law that's such fucking weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► well and that's the creative and threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► it through somebody else they've got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► inner interlocutor here who's now she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► well and lamps if i write back and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► haha this sounds like a gig at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► like she then then that's in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► yep that now she's like um well okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► sorry sorry I gave you this sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► it's like will i'm not mad at you i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► just like like you and I should be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► the same page here like my eating a hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► being put in that position I really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► have come to resent the whole like can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► you contact this person for me then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► no offense but that whole idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► we're basically vouch for me a near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► stranger to like taking the two times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► your you communicate with this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► kind of famous will you use one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► two times to basically vouch for me even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► though you hardly know me at all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► course i would i'm not an animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► yeah so gross well so anyway and I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► sounds well just sitting here talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► I you know I right now there's an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► pendant ok i sent i sent an email saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► yeah the more i read this the more it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► sounds like they want me to perform well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► which is a thing which is what i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► yeah the storytelling is actually also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► professionals not friends sessional yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► that's not a fun thing that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► just like hey here's an idea that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► have you ever considered telling stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► in between your song we think you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► great at that man perfect said she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► you bring your family i have thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► so I said that back to her now I she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► not replied and maybe her lack of reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► is you know is an email she sent back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► him saying actually this doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► like it's going to work or maybe she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► sitting in her office like I'm too busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► to deal with this shit how did I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► stuck in between this but some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► is rubbing off on me right she's now got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► a she's she's got a feeling like I'm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► busy to deal with this roderick should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► have just said yes or he should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► just said let me deal with this but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► replied to me instead of to them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► i sent it to him instead of giving his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► email to them i don't know you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► I mean like they're I do i do it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► awkwardness all the way down and if she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► problem solved if she replies and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► this isn't i mean i should i should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► out of this or you know if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► want to do it reply to them i'm gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► like you I don't they never emailed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► so but you know it's it and if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► i'm gonna say i would love to do this 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► beep boop that and then we'll see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► they say no we were thinking two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► oh well you don't really you don't value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► rewrite this email for you uh we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► you to stop everything that you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► in your life to go beyond a place on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► planet for the amount of time that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► declare and we have almost no budget is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► that something you'd be super into yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► yeah when this is important this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► thing that we're doing because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► gonna deduct the whole thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► it's professional development for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► and our staff like this does qualify as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► a perk for them because they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► 60-hour weeks and we're taking them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► to a hotel for free that's nice so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► seems I probably within within our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► company washroom like a real good deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► ever thought about being a storyteller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5307">TS</a>]
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01:28:34 ◼ ► what are you doing this weekend uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5314">TS</a>]
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