00:00:00 ◼ ► the incomparable number 197 jun 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► on your host Jason Snelling we're here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/17">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► little bit different from our normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/21">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► book club this is a work of nonfiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/22">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► but it's by somebody who is a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► player in a major creative endeavor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/26">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► one that we podcast about before then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► love a lot which is pixar we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/31">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► talk about creativity pink book by EDD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► cat mall with Amy Wallace at catalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► the president of pixar for many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► and now runs the pics both pixar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/40">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► disney animation with john lasseter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► he wrote this book that is partially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► partially a management book about how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► has managed the creative culture at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► Pixar which i think is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► conversation to have to and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► things to talk about i have a panel full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/63">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► of people who are raring to go to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► about this subject I field i love it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► a host when that happens because i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/69">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► like i can just sort of lean back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► I'll go get a glass of water at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► because anyway my panel is our plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/74">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► nice to see you finally it's it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► pleasure to have broken the surface of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► the water tension and come through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► ok that's a reference Lisa Schmeisser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/89">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► thank you it's nice to be here John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► siracusa is here so excited to be on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/97">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► nonfiction and even if it's not 800-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► book about wizards by my by my reckoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► it has been approximately 16 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► since you were on a book club episode so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► welcome and David lower who is on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► episode that Dan Morgan isn't on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/119">TS</a>]
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00:02:09 ◼ ► yeah we noticed that was not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► well now David this record continuously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► 24 hours a day I believe radio Radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► Free David it's where you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► there's so many different facets of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► i'm not sure where you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/143">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► started i really enjoyed it on one level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► I have to say just as being story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► pixar and this interesting story of bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► cat mall who started out in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► science and but always had creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/152">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► yearnings as well and ended up sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► by mistake or just through happenstance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/159">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► division and then the story of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► being bought by steve jobs and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► desire to make a make a motion picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► in computer animation and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► trucks or tribulations of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► they had with various various films the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► disney buyout and the death of Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► Jobs are all covered in here so he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► that aspect of the story as well as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► the sort of management learnings over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► the course of all this time and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► which I found very interesting but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► fascinated by the story of pixar III the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► thing that really hit me was that at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► time when they could have very easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► have just said we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► hardware or we're going to make software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► or you know we're going to do computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► graphics for other people's movies they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► had this one idea which i think came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► from john lasseter but at cad model was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► right there with him which is we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► going to make a motion picture and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► that the world would be very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► if they hadn't had that because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► the sense from the book that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► accompli that they were going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/228">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► movie studio that they became a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► studio not accidentally but it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/231">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► eighties and early nineties you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► have made that guess I think i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► they had needed somebody who is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/241">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► pour hundreds of millions of dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► down a whole hoping eventually that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► going to become a foundation that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► Steve Jobs did I mean after you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► Lucas's years with it and they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/251">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► they were a hardware business that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/254">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► going to maybe do something on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► millions of dollars in research for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► you know this really not exactly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► nine but certainly supportive ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► it wouldn't have happened and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► i'll try this isn't letting but I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► knew a bunch of computer graphics people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/272">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► in the in the eighties and nineties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► people were involved in siggraph and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► was the chair a six and you know I old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► housemate was a was a computer graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► guy so I met a lot of these kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► people like Ed and it is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► personality types of readiness and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► like oh I i remember the kind of person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► that gets into this field the patients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/292">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► you need because you leave you go insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► and you leave the glaring part is we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► when i worked at the kodak center for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/298">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► creative imaging we had a pixar box they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► bought one the cube and it SAT there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► none of us knew how to do anything with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/304">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► it and occasionally I would try to plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► in component video monitors to and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► to do anything at all we had no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► I had type of street and i still i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/310">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► i may even have the disks somewhere type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► of street for the mac which was 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► rendered type app for the mac from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► 1993 or something like that when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► were a software company which based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► the book they realized that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► gonna really be a hardware company said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► the things that this company did when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► retrospect it's it's kind of obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► what the problem was because like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► beginning they were Lucas thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► Lucas had something that he wanted them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/343">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► to do just revolutionized you know film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► editing and filmmaking which they did to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► the best of their ability and it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/349">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► out that they were ahead of their time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► and whatever and Lucas Lucas stitch them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► and then they went to steve jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► what Steve Jobs know how to do he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/356">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► how to make computers and software in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► various combinations and they try to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► that for a while I don't the only time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► that they found success is when I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► alright what do you guys want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/365">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► it turned out of the people who remained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► or the people who were there and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► they said actually we you know Kat most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/372">TS</a>]
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00:06:20 ◼ ► that i mean i'm not it's not saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► was guaranteed success but previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► they had all been in the mindset of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► underneath some other master do it Lucas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► once do with Steve Jobs knows how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/388">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► whatever then it's like what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/394">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► want to do and that's how they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► off on their actual Road so in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► it's so easy to see all those periods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► and of course they weren't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/401">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► succeed because you know the people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► people who were there and the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► charge didn't have the heart of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/406">TS</a>]
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00:06:49 ◼ ► anybody's going to look at this and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/409">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► wow it took them nearly 20 years to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► to the point where they became a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/413">TS</a>]
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00:07:07 ◼ ► crystallizing sense of purpose because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► the question I have is if a company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► Pixar could happen today with the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/431">TS</a>]
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00:07:19 ◼ ► to be a matter of course for teka teka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/439">TS</a>]
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00:07:22 ◼ ► to hit the ground running within 18 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► 24 months and then and then grow from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/445">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► well coming out of Lucas like it did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/451">TS</a>]
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00:07:40 ◼ ► start-up right the this was we collected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► a bunch of brilliant people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► about computer graphics into George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► Lucas's credit when Star Wars movies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► being made with models he's thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► ahead and saying you know computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► graphics is going to be a thing we gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► we gotta get something you know in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► and we're gonna try this and steve jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► you know sort of had the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/477">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► which is I think there's something here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► and these people are really smart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► i'm not quite sure what it is yet and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► was much more like funding in R&D lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► where they're like well we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► try some hardware we're gonna make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/488">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► software if you take those products out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► products just think about stuff but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► is the products we sort of part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► exploration and they end up in a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► where where something catches but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► right Lisa you know this is not the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► of thing that you just say we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► do a start-up and make a thing unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/505">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► you're unless you're like Elon Musk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► you've got a billion dollars kicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/508">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► around you really you know this is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► like rd where you got somebody to fund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► bankroll something and just say but get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► some smart people let them kick around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► for a few years and make a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► mistakes and they will eventually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/520">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► somewhere really interesting because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► know without at any point this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► all apart and that's where they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► wake up to that for a while is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► weren't to read when they became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/530">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► self-standing company they didn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► realize that they weren't an R&D company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► for a long time they were sort of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► to figure out where the revenue was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► different things they rejected a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► of stuff but they still sort of acted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► like they were part of some other firm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► like we will be well we'll provide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► companies even though they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► really companies who wanted it and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► they were creating didn't really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► for that purpose what was funny reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► the first part of the book for me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/555">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► nowhere a Japanese proverb on the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► of an honest tea bottle cap that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► vision without action is a daydream but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► action without vision is a nightmare and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► at the end the whole time reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► first part of the book and I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/576">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► he's going to say that oh my god that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► well there's that one of the book one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► the first quotes I pola I i highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► we're capitals talking about some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/586">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► really bad non advice he received from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► his friends and contemporary he singles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► I'm going to quote here focus focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► focus this was a particular favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► piece of not advise when people hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► they not their heads in agreement as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► a great truth has been presented not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► realizing that they've been diverted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► from addressing the far harder problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► deciding what it is they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► focusing on there's nothing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► advice that gives you any idea how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► figure out where the focus should be or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► how to apply your energy to it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► thought that was just a really elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► distillation of it was it i thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► a very elegant elegant critique of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► then is talking about which is a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► know action without purpose or or action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► without inspiration for or intent behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► I'm not damn oh I'm sorry dash I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► sorry but if I'm so are so dumb what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► it was really neat reading about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► drawing lessons and how we can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► that we can't draw the chair because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/645">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► see the chair but we're more accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► when we draw the negative space in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► around the chair and and that to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► everything about focus because that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► makes you look at the things you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► which is much more much more worthwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► when you're trying to be creative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/664">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► you don't know where an idea is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► come from and I mean that happens to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/667">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► all the time where I'll start something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/668">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► and throw out the first two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► story ideas because the third one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► really really good and I had no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► this character is gonna do that so sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► I mean maybe the whole book just well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► well that seems to be the one he talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► metaphors that people use yeah katal had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► the real issue of people referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► excavation archaeology because he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► look it's not like the movie was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► you know that I don't think he's a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► who's really into the allegory of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/699">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► cave like he doesn't strike me as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/700">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► Platonic I felt bake cause he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► it's not like this ideal movies out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/704">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► there and we grew up toward it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► iterative process we're not uncover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► anything we're not really archaeologists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/709">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► of of ideas and that's something he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► returns to over and over again as is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► really have no idea what's the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► that you're facing are you have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/719">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► what you don't know you have to train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► yourself to look at every situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/722">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► without bringing context to you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/723">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► you have to find new ways to approach it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► and I thought that was just a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/729">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► really smart insight to keep hammering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► on over and over again was the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► if you want to be creative start by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► stripping away the context in and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► and just try to see what you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► trying to try to see things from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► different perspective as a collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► shapes around this shoot that's upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► I thought underlying a lot of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► to is something that's understated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► now i have to admit I've never read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Clayton Christensen's book innovators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► dilemma i feel like i have because i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► read so many articles and excerpts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► involve it but but you know the so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/758">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► ridiculous you actually need to sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and read the thing but i have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► interviews with them and lengthy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► whatever so I feel like I'm converse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► the theory of and the innovators dilemma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/769">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► entrenched industries like Disney in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► this case this day what it became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► figure out one thing that works they own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► a whole space and you know gets applied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► in the computers and steel manufacturer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► whatever they plucky upstart scum who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► what seems to be cruelly crappy work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► originally but what they're so cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► they're so good at the worst thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► the lowest profit Louis margin thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► that an industry or company does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► they eat that part up and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/799">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► oh they can have that terrible part we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/800">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► don't like that anyway don't make much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/801">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► money off it but they grow from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► base and they absorb and take over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► company and I feel like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► pixar story actually has a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/810">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► in it not just from what pixar did to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► animation which is exactly that is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► started doing something that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► thought was laughable and then became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► technology to make it work but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► part is that he constantly re-evaluates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► a whether or not what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► makes any sense so we he tries to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► they're going to be that company at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► top that doesn't realize they're about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► to be eaten from them from all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► competition from the bottom be destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► and coming back and forth going over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► that again and again and again seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► be one of the lessons of the book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► mentioned a little bit this dichotomy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/846">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► almost between the technical and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► creative and that was something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/852">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► struck me about it is you've got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/853">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► incredibly talented group of computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► scientists here and yet I kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/858">TS</a>]
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00:22:08 ◼ ► designed a lot of websites since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1328">TS</a>]
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00:22:14 ◼ ► to John syracuse this weekend and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1334">TS</a>]
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00:22:45 ◼ ► and behave differently on mobile than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► does on the desktop and that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1367">TS</a>]
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00:23:54 ◼ ► at lynda.com for teaching me some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► about responsive design despite John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1436">TS</a>]
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00:24:05 ◼ ► this is the one actual quote that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1445">TS</a>]
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00:24:11 ◼ ► when they're doing their very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► short thing just to try it out and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► their new techniques and they didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► it done in time for the the premier any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► and he says we could complete a rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► version of it in time but portions will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► be unfinished as his wireframe images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► mock-ups made from polygons of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► finished characters instead of fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► colored images the night of our premier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► we watched mortified as these segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► appeared on the screen but something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► surprising happened despite our worries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► the majority of the people said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► hadn't even noticed that the movie had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► switched from full color to black and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► white wire frames they were so caught up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► in the emotion of the story that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► hadn't noticed its flaws and here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► money quote this is my first encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► with the phenomenon i would notice again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and again throughout my career for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► the care you put into artistry visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► polish frequently doesn't matter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► you're getting the story right and i run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► across that in theatres all the time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► some of the most beautiful acting some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► of the most beautiful writing I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► seen has been on a stage with the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► and two chairs and two actors speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► words that no projections no fancy set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► design the lighting tricks you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1520">TS</a>]
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00:25:25 ◼ ► the time and see the gorgeous gorgeous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► set designs and lighting and projections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1527">TS</a>]
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00:25:33 ◼ ► that really needs work and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1533">TS</a>]
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00:25:49 ◼ ► apply to meet we're not doing it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1549">TS</a>]
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00:26:00 ◼ ► through in this book I made a note about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► the the lack of eagle one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1562">TS</a>]
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00:26:08 ◼ ► again is they have an all-day they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1568">TS</a>]
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00:26:13 ◼ ► open to new ideas regardless of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► hierarchy to it and and to them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► more important that ideas that ideas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► capitalism at say it says it explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► but this ethos permeates the whole book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► i think this idea that pixar you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► take profit you should take you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► take enormous pride and craftsmanship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► and your work but ultimately one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► reasons it succeeds is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1601">TS</a>]
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00:26:45 ◼ ► Divas they don't indulge a cult of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► personality they don't indulge ego at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► all and you have to learn to be the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1609">TS</a>]
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00:26:55 ◼ ► ego bound up with being the smartest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► person in the room you have to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► kind of smart where you keep your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► open and your receptive to new ideas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► you are always always always open to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► possibility that you can learn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► from anyone in any way and they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► about this with everybody has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► pictures problems everyone's problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► you don't have to wait for permission to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► you don't have to wait for permission to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► ATP emphasizes will you show the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► has hierarchy in some fashion but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► they want good ideas and good solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► to come from everywhere and in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► empower people that way you you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► have to aggressively de-emphasize ego as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► a function of intellect a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► don't respond to criticism well they and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► they take it as a personal affront and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► and creating a culture where everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► is on the same team and they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► trying to make the thing better and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► the idea the idea that you have is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► starting point and if it if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► better idea that comes out of it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► you didn't lose because your idea wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► good enough you're just part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► process and that is you know I took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► Creative Writing course in college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► you know I we all have to critique other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► people's work that was the assignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► that's how you got graded and it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► destroying this thing that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► think it's a personal insult and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► was amazed by the fact that it picks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► they really got to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► everybody felt like they could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► something everybody can make you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► make these comments about what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► and what what the what the story should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► be and you know andrew stanton could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► have had the idea that was sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► that got torn apart and his response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► would be you know great i'm glad week it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► around a bit and then that's good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► in the after we're talking about Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Jobs they talk about one of steve's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► greatest strength was pitching pitching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► ideas where and he says explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► pitching isn't as a way of testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► strengthening it by observing how place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► an audience but if the idea doesn't fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► good people who go to pitching are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► extremely adept dropping it moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► and it's a rare skill and it also steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► jobs ego doesn't attach the suggestions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► he makes even as he throws his full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► weight of belief beyond them he was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► there's a certain lack of ego and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► making in making suggestions and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► being open to criticism and an iterative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► processes there so i have an insight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► from my one of my few forays into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► corporate culture is I mean I work the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► amazon.com in the early days and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► jeff bezos is a complete genius he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► also a great manager he had but without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► going to detail it was interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► read this and have watched how Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► grew and it's missteps and the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► culture it appears to have created both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► from external reports of people I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► there at different times including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► recently and the reason you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► open criticism a place like Pixar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► because you're not going to be fired and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► we talked about the little earlier like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► people worried about job you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► the disney culture people worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► saying the wrong thing and whatever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► when i was an Amazon one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► i left after six months as I was put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► charge a few months into a huge project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► I did my part right i could not get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► of the company had a hundred people when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► i joined and about 400 when I left and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► could not get any of the already siloed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► closed-off other divisions do what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► being directed to do by the CEO of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► company they would not do it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► realized because i couldn't succeed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► that environment there is no future for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► me there and that was one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► that contribute to me leaving I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► exactly forced out but there was no more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► roll and I feel like the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► description which it seems to be based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► again on like external signs you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► that the film's they released the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► of stories they tell and then the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► come out of it they they you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► fired for being part of helping make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► things better when you say things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► wrong or when you try to break down like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► there's a number of discussions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► the production side the creative side or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► or on this person you know they sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► somebody often three days they figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► out how to do this thing that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► have taken you know six months they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► able to rework that thing at disney the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► the model for one of the characters in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► walk-on 1402 it's it's you were not pet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► he apparently figured a way to not make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► people worry they would lose their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► it was more sensible for you to speak up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► then to remain quiet was a safer thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► extremely crazy thing I wanted to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► about there's a line in this book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► up that I what was one of my highlights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► on the candle which was about leaders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► companies focus so focused on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► competition they were never they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► developed in deep introspection about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► other destructive forces that work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► this introspection i think is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► big part of the pixar story that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► that there always concerned about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► know what's going on that the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► they can't see the mistakes that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► there's a line John Madden the former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► football coach and sports announcer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► to say that winning is a great deodorant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and you know as long as you're winning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► the problems that you've got in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► locker room or wherever don't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► because you're winning but as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► you stop winning then you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► everything stinks and this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► really what had cattle is getting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► here is we can't wait for us to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► failure to discover that we have lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► major problems with what we're doing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► need to we need to be rooting that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► out now and that reminded me of was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► was it a episode or two of hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► John where you talked about a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► same points this uh you know had Pixar's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► take on you know you you've got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► constantly rooting out these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► things and and that you can't wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► failure to do it well the episode first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► motion picture i think was about i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► forget what you were going through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► bunch of big companies and saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► we thought was wrong with them and pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► was the 1i think I saved to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► because it's like who's going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► something bad about pixar this is maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► what could possibly be wrong with Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► everyone loves pixar to make great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► movies you know obviously this is before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► and before I knew pretty much anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► about the inner workings and the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► thing I decided that seemed like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► wrong with Pixar is this string of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► successes without any failures up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► that point pointed to a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► they weren't taking enough risks right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► and so it's like all right what it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► know if every single movie is success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► are any of these movies as biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► success they could be if you're willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► to take more risks and the tweet reply I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► mentioned in this book and works at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► yeah good friend of the show Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► Johnson who is mentioned in the book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► hypocritical was a tweet that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► look it up but i believe the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► content of the tweet is we don't release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► our failures which was a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► answer and if you look in the book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► can see that right now they talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► entire movies that they spent millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► of dollars on that said you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► the blue yeah yeah yeah that movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► not coming out or all the movies with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► change Directors and and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► essentially not the same movie they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► working on because they change directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► they barely mentioned brave and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► when I would have one moment invention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► cars to either look like this before i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► had seen car so I didn't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► but like and I think a lot of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► in the book if we go back and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► the hypercritical episode you can see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► lot of things in the book that directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► speak to those particular points and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► lot of people ask me all right so given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► that you've read this book do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► like it answers your question or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► you're concerned about what's wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► Pixar's and in many respects of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► illuminating and learning how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► particular respect I think it it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► leaves the question unanswered and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► don't think this is necessarily weakness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► of pixar but it's just the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► company decided to create is one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► which they have a system for making good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► movies and like the brain trust is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► great example part of that system is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► various points in the development of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► movie we are going to have input from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► all these other great smart creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► people to help you fix what's wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► your movie and we're gonna you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► we're going to kill it if it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► it's not going anywhere or we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► change the director if it looks like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► right all these things are options on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► the table all this is structured to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► allow a failure out into the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► essentially and that you would say is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► strength of it but i think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► larger point i was getting at him in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► you know let me try to find something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► wrong with Pixar those comparing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► miyazaki when you have one person who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► in charge who seems to have very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► input from anyone else or sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► he does what he wants to do and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► no brain trust is going to convince them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► to this works it doesn't work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► person is going to put about a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► weird movies with weak parts sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► total stinker movies but you also may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► transcended that could never have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► produced by system that was subject to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► that sort of collaborative process i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► not saying one of those things is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► than the other but it's clear that Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► is the kind of company that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► they've created a system a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► self-healing system whereby they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► make great movies and I i still wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► if does that system preclude making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► transcendent movie alongside a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► turds like or that we always that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► uneven or whatever because like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► i guess like the auteur theory versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► you know within that the system they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► made for making movies yes the director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► has ultimate control and that your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► trust doesn't have authority to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► them what to do but it's still a process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► its is an engineering approach to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► creative work which i think is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► amazing innovation a breakthrough in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► itself and who can argue with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► results but it definitely is a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► beast then we have one genius who threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► his lifetime is going to make a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► movies some of them are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► great some of the middle weird someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► going to be awful and one or two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► are going to be the shining gems are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► ever going to get the shining James with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► this process of pixar maybe they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► different kind of gems Ruby's instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► sapphires it comes back to the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► issue though to that you have to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► fact that they can put so much money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► walk away from most organizations cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► say we put 10 or 15 million dollars into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► development to this or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► more doctor releases almost movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► studios can now what you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► release them they do different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► it's 120 business models out there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► the movie because all they need a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► really good hits every year and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► finance a boatload of failure but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► release all the failures and tricks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► doesn't release them even as the amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► part of a spike movies that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► that there are lots of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► behind-the-scenes and then i'm reminded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► of something I was actually thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► about while I was reading this a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► war z where the story is they took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► last day they had finished the movie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► they took the last 30 minutes of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► said it's not working and they went out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► and reshot the last 30 minutes with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► completely different script and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► so I've seen that before but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► right you movie studios that can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► to spend millions of dollars reshoots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► are the example here a lot of times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► just gonna get whipped into decent shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► and get out the door and betterment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► communication with even with a big movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► studios one of the ongoing problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Hollywood has had is middle market or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► experimental films are actually getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► squeezed down because right most studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► are now so profoundly risk averse and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► intent on the bottom line they're only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► going to do what they consider to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► tentpole blockbusters your franchises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► that's why we have movies based on old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► TV shows right is because those are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► least they've got some free market but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► another thing like for example a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► like terms of endearment couldn't get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► XR isn't risk-averse though because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► have like that that whole process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► like we together as a company are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► to work to make sure this directors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► movie succeeds we're going to take all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► our collective experience and influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► try to like to to collaborate on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► morning yes that's the director's movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► but we're going to make sure that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and those those sort of pressures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► input supplied like this the scene isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► working and maybe this character could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► be better whatever all that stuff makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► the only thing I question about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► process is it do you end up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► different type of movie a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► really great movies and maybe a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► of good ones but no bad ones versus a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► process where an individual doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► the benefit of that input and is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► to have scenes in the movie The don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► work they could have easily been fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► by your brain just meeting is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► have some movies that in in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► entirety don't work but that is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► occasionally going to be able to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► his muse in a direction that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► received feed good intelligent feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► from other people that nevertheless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► would have been shaving the edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► off the movie like and I keep picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► miyazaki because there are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► weird pointy edges and birds on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► movies and in some respects like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► the the the imperfections or the parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► that don't work or the things like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► you take any document we turn to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► brain does that tell you 50 things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► are wrong with it and yet somehow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► whole some tile feels different to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► than even my favorite pixar movies do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and i'm not saying that's a bad part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► the pixar process i'm saying that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► that's what they've made and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► pretty amazing considering that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► what made you think about the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► studios who have like the broken version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► of that machine was just like well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► take we take what was good and what time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► to make a crappier and sometimes we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► stuff that we know is gonna be crap or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► whatever Pixar's way above that level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► but that was their example when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► took over dissonant disney and said oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► my god you know what we do here can this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► process save this company and they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► like when I actually it with wreck-it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► Ralph and frozen i mean it it did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► write this as my husband point out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► last two disney animated movies to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► out which were record Robin frozen have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► have been in his estimated information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► better than the last two pixar movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► even so he feels like the balance he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► feels like the balance of storytelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► in talent has shifted from one to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► other brave is also just a movie right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► brain is not pixar know that was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► it's the only Pixar movie I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► like I haven't seen cars to yet so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► terrible movie but it definitely like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► is definitely i wanted to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► about that Miyazaki idea because John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► I totally get where you're coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► and I i think i agree with you that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► less likely that you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► I mean even when you know we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Brad Brad Bird and understand these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► people they step into that room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► they're still going to be part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► process and they may lead it may bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► their idea to the table but it's it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► part of the story process and you wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► idiosyncratic will not happen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► the the the process won't allow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► that said Pixar has done some strange i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► mean up has a lot of really weird things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► about it and the first half hour of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Wally is a brilliant and weird uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► dialogue lists set of images right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► it's not as if it's so I'm torn because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► I think you're right but I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► there's more given the process then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► here's the thing that would when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► into the room or you when you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► collaborative process and these ppl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► office offer these suggestions there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► right there right that this thing isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► working in the subtle way that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► thing could be better in this way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► and maybe you should you need to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► out what the problem is here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► this isn't there but that's why that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► why the machine works because all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► I and it's not like they're making your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► movie worse but they are changing it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► it's completely smooth like if you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► not completely smooth that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► they're making your movie better than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► was but they are closing the door on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► some aspects of the way the movie could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► have been if it had if everything had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► gone well and if we got like was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► they're basically increasing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► batting average you're gonna do much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► better they're going to make your movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► better and that's the danger of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► the input from all the smart people as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► they are actually write about what but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► it may be at that point if those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► weren't there what would you have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► would you have made a crappy movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► that's very likely are made a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► there's also the possibility depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► on who you are again the auteur theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► that like one person singular vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► with minimal input from everyone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► there because they're megalomaniac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► because they're insane because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► no one in the company who has anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► close to their talent like all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► unhealthy things that nevertheless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► produced like over Miyazaki's lifetime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► his collaborators work with people or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► whatever but like no it's his singular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► vision for the or someone else's vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► that he guides through to you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► like it's he could have benefited from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► all these this kind of input and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► all would've been right and and he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► have known their right and he would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► listened to them but his movies would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► have been different i have one kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► great counter example of that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► sky captain in the world of tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► that was an otter vision nobody told him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► you also have to be a genius that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► difference between a good orator and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► someone who just wants control what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► that's my question is to the barriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► get lowered is like everything capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► is discussing is within the constraints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► of films where they need who knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► many teraflops of computation power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► the most sophisticated people working in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► the field and constantly developing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► cutting edge of software again that echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► of steve jobs were jobs.can in through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► John I've is pushing at the limits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► what can be built in computer technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► and buying new kinds of lasers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► buying every kind of laser that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► special dot for the macbooks or special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► aluminum thing the same token like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► Pixar's at the absolute cutting edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► computer graphics science and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► part of how they continue to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► so can you be able to tell stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► cutting-edge computer animation can one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► person do it i think the answer is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► probably our small team the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► yes but i think in the structure of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► film of this scale of this type which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► read some reaches a mass audience they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► may have perfected that process by not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► ever believing they perfected it but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► actually completely agree with you John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► is that you're gonna miss out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► you're making films even if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► great on average are great and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► have stinkers you're never going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► the imperfections that lead to the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► revision that's just totally out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► control because nobody even without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► being risk-averse are not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► well and you know for instance it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► I I think we're all geeky enough that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► know who directed what pixar film long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► before we read this book but for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► people they're gonna see that and go oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► that's a Pixar film where they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► look and say oh that's a Hitchcock film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► that's a Tarantino film that so that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► wes anderson film picture is the altar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► and you know that's why it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► interesting that Edgar Wright left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► man which is that's going to be a Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► film it and it was never going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► it you're right film yeah he was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► to make it negative right film you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► that sense right and horrible is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► oh god oh but we're all bummed out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► Marvel product at the end of it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► not going to have that stamp and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► weirdness and now my question to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► this is complete the real from the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► but not a derail for the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► um is if we're talking about marvel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► an imprint and so on and so forth how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► you explain the joss whedon influence as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► it as it meshes into them to the marble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► franchise because when you watch The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► Adventures that's definitely good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► got that's definitely more of a just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► weak property in a lot of ways you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► but he's a very natural fit I mean buffy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► the vampire slayer is right on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► temple yeah it's in my defense it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► basically the same since it's so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► just a matter of saying we translate we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► would given Buffy Russian backstory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► yeah I i think it's and Vander is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► so here's the thing marvel to has a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► a brain trust you know a collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► producers and writers that they bring in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and break down their stories with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► end you know I think the comics do too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► but the individual comic writers often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► have more latitude for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► these movies they have something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► similar and and in this case I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► what they wanted to find somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► was a kindred spirit who could you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► put this story together and and be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► be the writer and director but also work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► within their framework and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► John spring and joss whedon to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► Avengers is maybe not that different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► from from bringing in now I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► blank on his name Brad Bird bringing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► brad bird to do the incredibles rite aid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► he was a known quantity had done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► iron giant it was a huge hit at the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► office but everybody loved it and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► the idea for the incredibles and studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► wanted this is something i didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► studios wanted him to bring that idea to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► them and he ended up bringing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► Pixar and so he brought his idea and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► was a known quantity but when he came he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► came into the the committee and into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► group and into the process and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► that's how I sort of feel like the joss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► whedon thing is it's kinda like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► you're bringing a known quantity into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► system somebody who you think is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► to be a kindred spirit and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► that doesn't work out right like with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► ant-man and did you know that they fell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► apart and when we see with these pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► movies that like brave you know was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► of those examples where they fired the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► director and she left and they brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► in another director to to make the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► of the movie different and get it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► what they wanted it to be a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► like it I love brave and I own the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► blu-ray so we can guide you or Dan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► yeah I'll be there now ok I'll go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► i think i think dan would point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► that Josh was already part of the Marvel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► family because he'd been writing x-men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► comics for several years at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► tomorrow but he had actively worked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► Marvel you have a duck comics are nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► and that's not why I'm faster with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► penalty Marvel and pixar now because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► you look at the different directors to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► have different styles and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► things that Marvel i think is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► possibly a little bit better than DC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► it gives riders their own voice in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► yes head of steam as it were I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► Marvel does a great job of saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► you know what Brian Michael Bendis is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► your book like you can always tell when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► you're reading brian michael bendis you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► can always tell when you're reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► Oh God Runaways a distraction or oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► Brian coupon yeah Brian came on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► fraction you know anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► MDC feels a little bit more committee as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► it was I mean Gail Simone was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► glorious exception to that but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► it does feel a little bit more by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► whereas marble gives gives riders a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► little bit more space to be writers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► I feel like Pixar kind of that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► directors about well i would say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► know I talk about Brad Bird bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► incredibles in from the outside I sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► of feel like the incredibles is more uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► just you know it's it's different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Pixar and just by a few degrees it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► a little different its stand it stands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► apart a little bit I idea and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► brave i think brave stands apart a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► little bit to it always it doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► it i'm a break as well but regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► don't you feel like it stands apart a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► incredibles do like I don't even at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► distance from maybe from things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► Wally which seems so exotic but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► feel like fits into the picture mode but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► then you've got incredible but seems one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► half step removed and brave to me also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► seems a little bit different i agree i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► think brave is a very it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► attitude and and and and all the rest it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► was it was also i don't wanna get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► to the technology too much but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► it does circle around that is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► remember seeing when I when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► something was up shit came up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► apple itunes section and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► really you know that hair her hair was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► unbelievable and they said they led with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► the hair and we all knew the story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► the story the hair is part of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► that here is actually an element it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► used in the storytelling so you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► that level you're like they bound up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► this incredible new capability to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► hair and bear fur and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► with the story they told you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► there's some there's actually a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► parallels between brave and frozen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► I've seen frozen approximately 65 times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► three-and-a-half-year-old daughter also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► also the frozen which which by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► if you have even a single track and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► Ralph and toy story 2 is that I'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► single actually want some frozen where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► they have put where they force the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► software the ice and the texture there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► oh my haha like you watch the what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► watch the light filtering through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► ice down into the water and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► salt salt plunges through and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► oh my god I've never seen that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► that then that quality before that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► play of light and liquid they've managed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► to capture that but now my problems the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► breaker from the storytelling thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► i agree that the incredibles is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► it i I've always thought in a class by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► yeah um that said ratatouille is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► second favorite Pixar movie and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► the feeling i'm in a distinct minority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► ratatouille yeah it's my husband's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► favorite movie for actually since and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► think I didn't mention is really smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► that cattle mentions in the book he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► who would make a movie where wet rats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► are making food and not me not me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► that is my favorite see when the rats go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► in the dishwasher they dry out the steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► no but you know that's a case where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► fired the director and brought inbred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► bird may change the they change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► movie of course the movie will get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► to Pixar in a minute but I want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► you about one of our sponsors for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► ifixit.com you've heard me talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► them before I fix it is the world's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► online repair manual for everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► that's only a slight understatement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► I tell you every time i'm looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► way to take apart or put back together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► some piece of technology i almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► excellent step-by-step repair guides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► photographs to show you what the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► you're looking at foolproof instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► to fix all of your stuff got a broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► screen or broken game console or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► pictures of it lots of Max iphones ipads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► I fix it's got you covered they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► electronics smartphones tablets game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► consoles they can hook you up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► everything they sell is tested and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► guaranteed and best of all iFixit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► designs and manufactures the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► trusted repair tools for electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► protec toolkit here's what's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► protec toolkit 70 different tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► assist you with any mod malfunction or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► misfortune that comes your way so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► need a set of tools you keep getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► frustrated that you don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► little bit with the pentalobe screw head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► so that you can unscrew an iphone or mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► laptops crew because apples got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► devilishly weird screw on it it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► toolkit see so you get the toolkit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► then you've got all of the stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► need to take the i'm betting a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► uncomfortable listeners are the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► on their block or in their family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► everybody comes to with all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► computer and technology questions help i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► need to fix this thing you got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► toolkit you've got the tools to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► you need to do to get those people back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► electronics work garage hackers the CIA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► and FBI sure and these unique tools are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► used by repair technicians everywhere so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► you're using the tools that the pros use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► it's got a 54 bit driver kit Philip it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► those nasty pentalobe it's torx bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► torque security bits the try wing bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► you're never going to look at something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► to go with GI can't open that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► know what that is and then it's got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► those other tools to get into cramped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3240">TS</a>]
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00:54:50 ◼ ► incomparable well I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► it ties into some of this I think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► the fact that they try so much why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► there's experimentation is baked into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► their culture because they come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► that research background and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► there's a direct correlation there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► reason I mean this book is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► beautifully told story even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► gets dry at points i think he diverges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► into things that are sort of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► your technology is you know very early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► on he talks about how he drew all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► you know polygons on his hand so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► animated hand computer-animated hand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► it's an extraordinary bit of that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► wanted to you know hands are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► telling things of the body and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► paintings in Renaissance times even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► today you pay more to have the hands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► the painting when your pic commission a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► portrait because there's so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► complicated and people can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► detail and it was like in Toy Story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► faces the human faces look so terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► compared to the animation of the objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► because you see that detailed response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► experimentation of like the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► they try this stuff outcomes through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► whole book and that they it's it's baked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► in and the bid i wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► relationships i think is the risks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3358">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► things they try with the short films [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► beforehand which they did almost as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► mean he talks about the book that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► wasn't like an intent we're always gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► do it but that it became away they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► thought it would have a purpose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► enter not have the purpose and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► thought they could do something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► with that and they finally said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► just a way to make a short really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► film that is part of the charm of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► we do and we're just going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► because people like them even though we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► have to spend a few million dollars on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► them and I think that was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► lovely thing that that's part of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► they're doing at the profit is they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► literally throwing it away maybe brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► more people and because as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► package of charm and maybe increases the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► prophets overall but that they feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► it's an important part of what they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► they do this for the audience and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► maybe it's only for the audience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► they spend that money that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► what their us the kickback from coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► to see pixar film yeah always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► present at the shorts were away from to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► work out technical troubles where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► could like they have that one shorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► that she dancing around until he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► man its fate that another special unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► when he said we thought they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► and then they didn't he's like well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► we thought it'd be a good way to train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► directors but turns out of 5 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► movie is really not a good way to test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► out someone if they get a fully foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► I mean I feel like that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► discarding is that they that they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► you know what we wanted to be all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► things and it wasn't any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► unfortunate expired it is awesome and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► also think that part of my question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► how much of this book I don't doubt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► emotional and intellectual integrity a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► lot of time but i also have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► how much of them is this is also he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► crafting the this is also a work of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► image crafting for Pixar because let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► face it this is a CEO of any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► company that is not in the business as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► exciting and glamorous and sexy as pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► yeah if it were CEO of somebody who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► say handling point-to-point shipping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► logistics would we be as excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► his insights with creativity was like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► computers to talk to each other and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► we found a way to give our drivers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► ownership of the process you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► there's part of me that thinks this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► publicity and so part of me was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► how much of this is is is officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► crafted message and how much of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► is is him being well cancer you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► that I can't help but wonder if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► a certain degree of discretion that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► in the Records books as well to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► sure that the company doesn't take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► reputational hit or people who had ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► rotational hits would be horrible this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► was all a really well-crafted lie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► teraflex to work the roads in fear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► have to ask yourself how many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► modems are there and and how what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► motivation for everything that goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► it and I don't doubt that most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► motivation is a hundred percent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► genuine desire to share information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► because it makes the world a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► place like you can tell this will bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► yeah you can tell this guy walks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► processes are great here's how to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► mindful of yours had observed like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► can tell the stuff he genuinely believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and when he slips into social policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► which I found fascinating by the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► can also tell that he believes very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► strongly those convictions to but i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► wonder how much of this is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► he is a don't position of leadership at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► a big company and part of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► position of leadership at a big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► I am the public face for this company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► perceived by the rest of the world only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the cynical but i think part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► there is an external validation of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► he says in that he didn't have too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► the failures when you read business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► books that are totally motivational in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► our Rob corporate biography things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► are ghostwritten or if the written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► partly by the CEO or or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► that they the failures are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► brushed off and the successes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► emphasized strength-to-strength things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► we have this little setback but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► that came and the fact that he focuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► ok so we have the answer was this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► was totally wrong like that is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► makes maybe that's a even more double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► creative technique to get us to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► seriously wants you to believe glad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► wouldn't but I don't know you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► the fact that he's so candid about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► seems to be the failures even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► successes now they come out of it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► even as they break it apart that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► actually part of the propaganda part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► that he is he brings up the failure so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► the failures also burns the image in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► some sense to you by saying look we took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► these photos we made it better and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► is actually a really nifty managerial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3614">TS</a>]
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01:01:43 ◼ ► no happy ending to this book there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3703">TS</a>]
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01:01:48 ◼ ► that's never going to happen in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3708">TS</a>]
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01:02:06 ◼ ► everything that we think we have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3726">TS</a>]
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01:02:09 ◼ ► the overall message of the book which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3729">TS</a>]
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01:03:04 ◼ ► disastrous that we haven't even figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► out yet and actually if you keep reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3785">TS</a>]
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01:03:10 ◼ ► really see a movie at all and we spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3790">TS</a>]
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01:04:15 ◼ ► the rest your life it's just terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3855">TS</a>]
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01:04:28 ◼ ► engineer was supposed to drop he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► sleepless working for weeks on end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► childcare leaves in the car for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► hours in the hot parking lot is fine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3875">TS</a>]
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01:04:50 ◼ ► is why we have to give leave two working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► parents and he actually returns to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► a couple times the book he makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3894">TS</a>]
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01:05:00 ◼ ► a daycare center that is affiliated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3900">TS</a>]
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01:05:07 ◼ ► are plenty of you know explainer type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► pieces the six lessons you need to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3908">TS</a>]
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01:05:51 ◼ ► happens forces to reassess this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► I believe he did that company goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► through the same exact failures everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► else like that the part besides the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► part which is striking itself as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► single as a single you know presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► rare like this doesn't happen no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► know 1,000,000 type thing but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► terrible at is the statistic that i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► i've had the passage highlighted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► don't have it now but like some huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► percentage of their worst for workforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► was suffering from repetitive strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► one third day in what did end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► giant crush and so essentially looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► one perspective it's the elites in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► organization which do nothing except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► push paper all day person virtual paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► and decide destroyed the health and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► lives of a huge number of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► as as a way to to achieve the goals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► the company and that is the typical cap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► evil capitalist like I don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► old we're gonna get it done where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► elite say we celebrated and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► reaction to it is what differentiates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► them that that happens the company's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► the time workers are exploited managers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► need to get something done they lean on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► the people below them they direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► people's lives you know their personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► lives their health everything about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► the difference is their reaction to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► wasn't now I guess the system worked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► you look at million points out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► company's I think he's probably talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► about EA he didn't name any names like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► this there's those companies that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► that they just have like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► fifteen percent turnover because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► say well you get great work if you hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► these energetic people at school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► then grind them into dust and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► burn out you just get another new crop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► of people and and from their perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► like that's a winning strategy but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► cattle says is that that seems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► actually on paper and in reality that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► an effective strategy but he says it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► objection to what is an effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► strategy you know if you just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► like Machiavellian or like you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► a power broker I'm Jack well trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► get things done on your business book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► open every says yes that is effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and we actually did that but we said no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► to it not because it didn't get the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► done but hey look we made a great move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► got it because it's immoral and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► like such a simple thing you said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► just came out and set in case you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► missing this people we're not gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► this to our workers because it's immoral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► the games industry and this is outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► of my room because I'm not a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► gamer as you know but the games industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► I mean you know Pixar's written in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Disney division are are related most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► the film industry but they work sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► fundamentally differently in the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► animation with their closer to is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► games industry where they're doing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► that is telling a story and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► animation and it's it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► software and software driven and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► always pushing on the edge blah blah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► you and I've never heard it all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► Triple A game companies every story i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► hear every time I interview someone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► the games industry or read the articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► they are grinding machines as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► like Electronic Arts is it lawsuits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► about it and marriages break up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► everything's you know horrible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► competition it seems that competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► whether the closest analog and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► produce they put huge amounts of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► in and they produce sometimes games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► make a bazillion dollars and hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► millions of dollars and sometimes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► really stuff that's utter crap and fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► I mentioned for the engineering approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► to creative work and how Pixar is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► I'm not the only engineer on this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► this podcast i put I I faked being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► engineer so yes you are well I'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► programmer or in computer science or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► any of these rooms and probably also if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► you're a scientist although i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► relate to that you you can relate to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► cattle in this book reads like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► that you recognize like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► personality traits that come through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► camel in this book and the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► I've seen him in our personality traits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► refreshing thing about reading this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► is I think engineers and programmers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► scientists will recognize themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► themselves and their personality traits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► in a cattle and we'll we'll find it as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► did exciting and refreshing to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► those those traits are can be both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► useful and successful in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► because in most of our lives they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► not been if you're useful successful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► that degree and part of that is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► engineering approach of saying I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► to analyze the situation i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► figure out what needs to be done and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► but you know you mentioned the Eagle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► listen s before that's a scientific type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► of approach who cares who ideas idea was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► to test the idea of it doesn't work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► conversation with Lisa talk about camels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► objection to the idea that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► discovering a movie and chipping away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and the movie is hiding underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► programmer engineering science fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4216">TS</a>]
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01:10:19 ◼ ► actually like it's not their innate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► you're actually making it whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► then this is the whole thing about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► type of this engineering approach is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4223">TS</a>]
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01:10:27 ◼ ► a stupid analogy it's not actually how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► ah it's not accurate but and cattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► accepts that this analogy helps people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► to produce good work and then he goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► and one chapter in the book to detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► all the other things which are also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► accurate the people tell themselves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► help them do good work all peoples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► different analogies I think of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► climbing a mountain or I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► running one tail to the other and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► these different things which are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► Capitals concern but part of the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► of having an engineer's approach the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► creative work is to say it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► matter that that's not accurate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► in the end you're trying to just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4260">TS</a>]
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01:11:03 ◼ ► have to put that as a tool in your tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► chests and say this is one way you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► it did not get hung up on the first to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► reorder like oh that's actually not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► the correct approach and we can test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► that she really hear all the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► that is not actually how we make movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► but if thinking that helps you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► good movie that needs to be to my tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► chest to say go ahead person who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► understand the reality of the world use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► this model mental model to help you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► great work and that's that's the genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► of a Catalan of this book is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► it never gives up on the idea that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► testing them in evaluating the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► is the path to success in all endeavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► and you never stop doing that even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► you've determined that you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► example someone's analogy is in apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► inaccurate that analogy may still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► it did really bug me that he kept going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► back to the there's not a there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► sculpture in that block of marble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4313">TS</a>]
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01:11:56 ◼ ► personality traits like it's gotta know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► him because it's not accurate but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4318">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► but he is but he was not blinded by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► he saw that helps these people it here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► look at and that's like that's why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► love the whole chapter look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► things these people think that helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► them get their work done all but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► ridiculous and foolish from you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► all know Here I see it but but it helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► them get their work done and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► I think these are important tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► yes the homeopathic school of filmmaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► it's like I don't believe it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► still works well but itself hacking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► it these individuals are sort of hacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► their own brains in a way that works for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► them it was the way that doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► with that capital and maybe isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► accurate reflection of a reality but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► that's the whole thing about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► management somebody goes into my new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► challenge will be figuring out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► manage people and make this company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► that is an amazing challenges anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► who's a parent knows trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► out what the heck is going on in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► mind of someone else and heard them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► be successful even when they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► unlike you and so unknowable and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► that is like the ultimate challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► after he's you know doll that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► scientific stuff and the the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► stuff which is sort of glossed over yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► I invented texture-mapping whatever big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► work that was when I was a kid anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► try to manage people on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► yeah that's the thing i love how casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► hears about the fact that yeah I only I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► only revolutionized reading rendering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► big deal I mean it's almost like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► didn't want to talk about is like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► technically it's boring you wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► alignment obviously i'm reading like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► please write an entire book about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► he was for it's probably the right call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► because most persuasive was like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► retweet / that one second have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► pulled out in the book to the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► the program he went to the kind of fishy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► of Utah was ridiculous it was who came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► as Alan Kay it was um who was the border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► people instrumental today's Warnock John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► Warnock of adobe John Warnock in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► was the other one just a link in a Jim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► Clark I'm sorry said jim cotton jim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► cotton jim clark yeah and you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► allocate like these are the fat and EDD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► Connolly's the foundational people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► the of like every aspect around graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► 2d and 3d graphics representation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► computers like this that without those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► four people you could argue with them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► impotence because they're all sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► business people even though they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► scientists computer scientist named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► Warnock certainly wasn't k was at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► level I mean he was practically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► certain way but without those four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► people i think we the same stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► that happen might have been 10 or 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► years later it feels like what capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► would say is that the same stuff what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► happened in the same time frame it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► would have been different people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► attribute to the the magic of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► individuals actually attributable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► lock in it's a mistake to believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► that he only could have been done by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► those people I generally believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► with certain individuals they catalyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► things in a way that you could see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► there was nothing else going on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► field the guy they're studying with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► mean sutherland ivan sutherland was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► genius as well I mean just it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► crazy group of people too crazy group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► things that came out of it and I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► it would have been replicated but not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► quickly so I manager at that point does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► bring up in the book again being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► anti-business book that the typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► business book is I have been massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► successful therefore everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► done in my life must have led to success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► describe what I had for breakfast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► because it is an integral part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► success right and cattle does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► believe his the height does not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► his own hype is not believe it like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► so aware that just because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► happened doesn't mean that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► way this could have happened and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► entirely unrelated and in fact the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► success I problem things may have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► I don't maybe going to die I think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► just going to dissolve into a pure cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► of Eagle list of eagles discovery you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► know you like some benign cognitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► entity that hovers over gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► stark alien you know if you can detect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► if you can detect any of his ego in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► book i would say the place i detected is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► he never did get to the part where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► describes the failures of the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► that Pixar has released what aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► cars were not satisfactory what aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► event you know me and he never goes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► that one and it could be that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► see any failures there but I was waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► for the moment where he discusses we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► release this one it's not as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► some of the other ones releasing here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► well i think that there's a protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► throughout you see it he won't name the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► names of the directors to get fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► right i think there's a pretty level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► protection where there are things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► are not discussed able to be discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► and I suspected that is part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► criticizing specific things in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► something he's willing to do well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► criticize himself but like the can't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► candor that he talks about has to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► within pixar the camera doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► doesn't have to exist external to Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► you know what I mean hehe edges up to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► the edges up to what he's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► up when he says you know after they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► through several variations they had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► explanation as to why Charles months was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► so you know he was I mean he was a grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► man when Karl was a child and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► they're roughly the same age later yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► and yet you know he's still active and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► any and he says but you know nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► noticed that nobody noticed anyone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► they noticed they didn't care i'm and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► have to say that's the only thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► now I noticed and we came up with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► alternate reason why that worked and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► actually better than the movie because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► it you know and it wouldn't have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► that much to do but they noticed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► logic problem and the reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► noticed was because that was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► Pixar movie they had seen where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► was a logic problem as I think was a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► Lewis Carroll actually say it or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► the computer to him that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► nonsense has to be rigidly internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► yeah and there's not nonsense but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► originally internally consistent no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► matter how fantastic it is you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► notice the the things that stand out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► know Lewis Carroll's granddaughter once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► sold dilemma used car lot to its engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► made this as Tweedledee Tweedledum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► Tweedledee Tweedledum my dream learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► glittering oh dear God dream Glendinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► anything we should we should talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► before before I wrap it up i just wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► this is my last this is the last call he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► have to work the afterward I cried like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► a baby reading that chapter was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► expecting it i started reading at the oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► well that's good he hasn't remembrance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► of them steve jobs and steve jobs i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► ball was it was reading it 1145 at night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► about to go to bed was gonna put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► book down i read the whole last part and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► was just how to use up being a box of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► Kleenex I expected it to be one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► things where somebody's somebody says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► come on you gotta talk about Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► was like alright I'll dad something off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► there just to just to give you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► instead it's like a man who knew this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► guy for a long time and is and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► infuriated about how terribly and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► accurately he is portrayed in the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► and he's going to get his shots in he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► going to say look this is the guy I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► and these are all the ways that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► he's miss characterized and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► know the guy that I knew and let me tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► you about him and it's a it's a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► it's a real it's fascinating in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► and this guy's got all the credibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► in terms of who Steve Jobs was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► he worked with him for so long i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► think he established that by the earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► in the book because he talked something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► like even without the afterward I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► the way he established the to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► I've read a lot about Steve Jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I've also been angry about books that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► felt like i was like because I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► easy to harp on the bad stuff and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► bad stuff is true and capital believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► that but like acknowledges that rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► but the the bit that was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► convincing is the earlier part where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► talks about how Steve Jobs interacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► with Pixar and that he stuck with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► kept dumping his money into it for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► long so many people say like will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► know like I believe in you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► people and passion is important in blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► blah but the second a company like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► prospects they get out because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► how you get rich you don't get rich by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► investments and steve jobs seem like was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► just gonna you know i mean he he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► trying to find ways that he was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► to sell them as well but he stuck it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► recognized the passion and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► something that people usually only talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► about like oh I believe in passionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► people and I investment companies as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► passionate whatever but so many in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► experience so many of those people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► are successful business are successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► because they don't do that because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► they put you know money first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► practical concerns first and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► care how passionate you are i'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► out what it looks like i'll be losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► some money where Steve Jobs was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► going to sit there punkin millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► like it and try to sell but then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► being assaulted by Microsoft small after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► no this would have made my money back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► with screw you i'm gonna stick with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► company and that speaks to his character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► more than any other description or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► whatever is that you know he he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► put his money where his mouth is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► really did things that don't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► from a business perspective and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► the most revealing of his character far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► boardrooms of you know being rude to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► people are firing people in elevators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► are all out of the stuff it shows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► did he do with his life and Pixar is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► of the things he did with his life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► I don't think almost anyone else would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► have done I wanted to know the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► thing i highlighted in here which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► applicable to portrayals of Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► of Pixar and of apple and pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► anything else but i underlined it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► because it's so perfectly stated which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► patterns that can be explained in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► relatively small number of words if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► haven't done the work of teasing apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► intentionally set in motion you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► overly influenced by the analysis of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► outside observers which is often over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► simplified this is partially this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► don't believe your own PR and partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► this is lots of people who write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► simplest fewest number of words to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► explain anything it's like Occam's razor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► gone horribly wrong is the simplest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► explanation is is up probably the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► one except in these cases it's not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► simple I distance with it some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► aphorisms and simple explanations all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► no I mean that's one of his big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► is never doubt the role that random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► chance plays in your life and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► underestimate how powerfully complex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► unknowable systems around you are either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► and in like John says that's not exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► it's basically surrender surrender to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► the chaos find a way to surf it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► that's a scary message to send I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► it's great that he's sending it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► a message that resonates at me in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► time of my life but you know if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► are reading this book to I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► surrendered to chaos that's wait what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► was a baby and the anti-business book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► although anyways I mean first off it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► I sounded I mean I kept I i noted lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► of things that I took away from this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► as inspirational business book kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► material it's just a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► book with a different kind of lesson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► you know why there but then again I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► with I work with creative people I I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► know I work with writers and editors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► and it might be very different if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► were working with bankers or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► hey I think this is all applicable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► he doesn't like that's why I feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► than the titles creativity ink because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► it seems like well what if I don't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► into creative field should I read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► like the the elements that he described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► in this book are in any big company any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► big company where everybody making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► hamburgers or door knobs or our jet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► planes or software or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► these are just people elements and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► coming out of that particular but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► are people everywhere and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► things that he describes about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► that being more candor in the hallway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► than there are in the thing it in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► the boardroom meetings and you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► stigmatizing failure and like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► not attributing your success two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► that seem simple and all like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► happen everywhere and Ed Catmull I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► scientific perspective feels like he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► a clear image of what's really going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► and most people don't want to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► it's like they don't want to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► matrix they want to take whichever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► pillows the one that I forget that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► you not understand that you're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► group odd somewhere and he's here within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► with an unfriendly unwelcome message but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► like you said about about the randomness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► in the chaos and that you know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► is not a welcoming message and he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► repeat himself so many times because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► feel like it is a message that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► answer they want they say I recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► that Alan my company and tell me how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► person i like I don't like in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► situation is wrong and tell me how I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► right and tell me how to fix it and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► not going to do any of those things he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► gonna say the situation is bad person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► you hate it isn't that the villain here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► you're all the Berlin and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► easy way to fix it and here's what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► tried and here's mine failed and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► it's it's it's a a clear-eyed look into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► into the chaos of life I and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► it's something that if you don't share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► unattractive and not not compelling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► it to varying degrees you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► inspiration out of it but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► almost like if you feel inspired by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► section of this book the the book is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5093">TS</a>]
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01:24:58 ◼ ► inspired think you're in the jaws of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► no I have this thing that I learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► security with it me for decades is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Egyptian sculpture the Pharaohs and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► wives and so forth we would be portrayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► as staring directly into the Sun and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► thought of that as an important concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► that sometimes you have to look at truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► in it hurts you may have been damaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► you but you have to stare directly into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► the Sun because if you look away you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► not actually seeing the true image we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► get into the you know the cave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Plato's cave and so forth but what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► that is that a he is he finds himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► looking at me and goes like uh huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► I looked away for too long I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► look all man that's what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► there and that's where the truth comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► it'sit's you need to see the chair by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► looking at the negative space and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► that's right for our solid background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► hey that's what i do i I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► say in the theater social media world a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► couple months ago someone found the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► list of story rules at Pixar and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► just you know spread like wildfire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► facebook and twitter and everyone had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► the on everyone had like the poster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► version of the link to the story version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► of it and you know I read it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► thought well okay yeah i believe all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► those things that's great and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► hope that you know whether whether on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► the management side on the creative side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► if you work in creative industry read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► this book because it's just as useful as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► rules and it's it's just as many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► that you can you can follow or you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► ignore or you can adjust and adapt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► you know I'm kind of afraid that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► aren't going to read it because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► going to think I was a business book or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► oh it's not a nice list like a buzzfeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► article because you know 25-story rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► is a lot faster than 300 something pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► but I I just almost every every chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► yes in my head the artistic aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► it is another place where is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► fairly frightening echo of my personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► experience that I spent my my use doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► a you know a lot of you know fine arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► type stuff and that cat balls into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► as well and he describes having the pics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► are employees take an art class and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► things he described like it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► the same thing it seeing the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► situation doing doing the negative space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► and drawing your shoe upside down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► everything all that is an exercise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► make people who aren't experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► artists draw it's actually they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► don't draw your minds conception of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► shoe draw the actual shoe that's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► at which is a great analogy is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► experience because it in business so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► much people will people withdraw their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► conception of issue i know what a chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► looks like i'm going to throw a chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► I know how business runs I'm gonna run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► business and they will just not see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► actual chair that's their the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► shoes there and the worst part is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► after they've done it after you drop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► shoe and you ask somebody have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► accurately depicted the shoe that was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► front of you does that look like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► show you look at this issue that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► sure they'll shoot shoot i did it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► but like why is your why is this picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► not good why is not realistic wise iron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► always is different in some way but i we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► can't really tell it's the same thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► business it's like you know I I know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► to run a business this is a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► there they're running the business they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► think is their not the business that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► actually there so it's it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► analogy but I fear like so much when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► read this book and reiterating the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► points over and over i fear that it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► bounce off people that if they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► actually drawn tried to draw shoe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► won't understand the point is being made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► that if they run a business there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► they're gonna be running the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► they think they see not the one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► really there that's the irony of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► afterwards a select few know people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► about Steve Jobs having this reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► distortion field and he didn't see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► the same way you know Steve painting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► that he could pull into existence in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► India it's funny that I think he saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► himself right we got ed catmull himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► and the way viewed steve jobs is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► they did that you know they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► distorting reality they actually because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► it made this stuff happen doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► what you think they're thinking they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► it right right all right we have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► we have run out of time for this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► but i would like to thank my guests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► joining me to talk a little bit about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► lot of stuff revolving around Pixar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► creativity think David Laura thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► hey thanks for getting me to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► anyway yeah yeah absolutely not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► wasn't going to but Glenn fleischmann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► thank you for being back lit been awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► thank you yeah you used to read lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► Hugo's broken yeah that's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► well mirror Lisa Schmeisser thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► I like how you laugh resided me when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► say my name haha well you were here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► were also present know you know you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► more I realized this one of the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► you could have contributed more as if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► just let you host and gone decided and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► John syracuse oh thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► success sides problems dazing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► it's true it's true but first you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► to have success anyway that's it for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► uncomfortable we'll see you next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► these are the voyages of Scott McNulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► his one-man mission to watch every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► episode of Star Trek the original series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► the next generation deep space nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► Voyager enterprise and all the feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► films but not the animated series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► randomly with a guest on our podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► first of all some of the actors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► better than i was in this isn't my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► watching the actors just freeze and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► some i will say that divorce Kelly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► Leonard anymore do a pretty good job i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► think i like how Shatner has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYSmWkE/5470">TS</a>]