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0:00:26hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going
0:00:30good I when I when I picked up the phone
0:00:35i heard you make a sound which I almost
0:00:37never do you work in the middle of going
0:00:39oh you heard that
0:00:41yeah what was that wonder how far back
0:00:43the recording begins I'm not sure that's
0:00:46really awkward was a little time jump
0:00:49well I'm you know trying to get better
0:00:50about you know reducing my mouth noises
0:00:52was not right
0:00:53well you know I I hope it's you know
0:00:56subtle change I've always found your
0:00:58mouth noises to be fairly a fairly
0:01:00charming
0:01:00yeah sometimes I hear them and I
0:01:02realized there's a lot of making more of
0:01:03them i think my body is developing
0:01:05existential Fisher's oh dear
0:01:07yeah we'll just be like kind of random
0:01:09for coming from somewhere
0:01:11yeah I've been hearing sounds completely
0:01:14to again it sounds silly to also might
0:01:17have my array of unconscious anxiety
0:01:19noises has been widening posters give me
0:01:22an example of some of those well my
0:01:24classic I very similar in some ways to
0:01:27the dustin hoffman noise in the Graduate
0:01:29my classic used to just be this haha i
0:01:34remember that noise and then as
0:01:36sometimes when i'm waking up in the
0:01:38morning and I'm realizing what a rack my
0:01:39life is all go haha or again you know I
0:01:45i make something very similar to another
0:01:47classic does not annoy just a boy oh boy
0:01:51that's a good one
0:01:54leave the one you do in the morning I
0:01:56think Jonathan Coulton does that what
0:01:57how did he do it
0:01:58nah yeah oh no I totally do that
0:02:01sometimes in the morning i just did in
0:02:03the noises that we make there's a
0:02:04there's a noise that noise and my wife
0:02:07makes that i picked up which is like if
0:02:10you if you're in the middle of dropping
0:02:12something or you know goofing giving up
0:02:15something especially when you're
0:02:16dropping something she goes like this
0:02:17ah right just yeah and i started doing
0:02:22that I got a lot of them i got a lot of
0:02:25anxiety noises most of them are in my
0:02:26head but sometimes they they pop out
0:02:29I when i'm dropping something i do the
0:02:31thing that I guess I think of it being a
0:02:33Three Stooges sound but I've never
0:02:36really watched the three stooges enough
0:02:38to
0:02:39no it's right to make their curly noise
0:02:41yeah I do like me
0:02:42yeah that's a good one you want yeah
0:02:44yeah no no I don't do that it's like
0:02:47more
0:02:47yeah yeah oh it's like it's bouncing to
0:02:50the floor yeah like Big Mac once I do
0:02:54the i do that mm-hmm
0:02:57oh yeah we both do that i mean i make
0:02:59I've been told they make a lot of food
0:03:01choices i have a variety from noises but
0:03:03those are dyed to play those tactically
0:03:04yeah
0:03:05beginner the the parts about my broken
0:03:07like those come out little squeaks yeah
0:03:10yeah mm-hmm
0:03:12I'm not sure that I make a lot of
0:03:13squeaking sounds yeah you don't seem
0:03:15like you have things I well it's funny
0:03:18you know isn't it true though that when
0:03:20you when you read enough library books
0:03:24about mental health that it turns out
0:03:28that anxiety manifests itself as all
0:03:31other disorders
0:03:34there's a little its yet I this is it
0:03:36i'm not a clinician as you know
0:03:38no well but if you're right you do great
0:03:40nails don't think you do the best you
0:03:42can do a little flag you know I'll do
0:03:44you know Charlie Daniels Band your
0:03:46french nails are some of the best thank
0:03:48you 10 people say they're not classy but
0:03:50I think French the French tip is a nice
0:03:52tip that's a nice tip and you know uh I
0:03:55think you know I feel like there's a lot
0:03:57of things were you know the laypersons
0:04:00idea of mental health comes kind of
0:04:03falls down in these areas that are
0:04:05little unsubtle and so you may not see
0:04:07for example that there's anxiety and
0:04:09depression in so many different things
0:04:11and in fact there's anxiety and
0:04:13depression and there's depression
0:04:14anxiety which seemed mutual exclusive
0:04:17unless you've lived it
0:04:19yeah and they're they're both really
0:04:20right there mm you know they they work
0:04:23real nice their kind of salt and pepper
0:04:25of small mental illness
0:04:27uh-huh oh I love that salt and pepper
0:04:32record shoot shoot they do i'm so sad
0:04:36and my lifestyle flaming wreck
0:04:39dooby-doo that's a really good song that
0:04:41song came out making 93 it's still
0:04:43really good
0:04:44there are so many good that salt and
0:04:46pepper record their date that's where
0:04:48they took control you know spinderella
0:04:50is no slouch
0:04:51hmm but they had they had been i think
0:04:55they had a little bit i don't know a lot
0:04:57about this but I think they have a lot
0:04:58little bit of a situation with their you
0:05:01know every band has their that person
0:05:03that God let's talk about left eye lopes
0:05:06well she's so crazy
0:05:07sdlc the right oh yeah right that's what
0:05:10I get confused no no I can confused all
0:05:11the time
0:05:12TLC chase did they take counsel not to
0:05:14chase a waterfall
0:05:15that's right but but some pepper you you
0:05:17were saying that they had AI think they
0:05:19had they had a they had a marie wilson
0:05:21type they had a handler
0:05:23oh IC and I think that's the
0:05:25transitional record where the one lady
0:05:28was like look i can write really good
0:05:30songs you know and work on the
0:05:32production and that was kind i think
0:05:33Shoop was co-authored with their marie
0:05:37wilson and then and then they went on
0:05:40the road without that's a strong record
0:05:41and for its time I I mean that's always
0:05:44such faint praise but you know that was
0:05:46that was kind of a pretty wild like you
0:05:48know these are sexually empowered ladies
0:05:49like doing a really legitimate you know
0:05:51hip-hop song and it was like I was like
0:05:54a top x song top x I don't see I'm
0:05:57trying to look at wikipedia but i'm
0:05:59pretty sure it did well I'm sure to I
0:06:01think it might have been number one
0:06:02you're talking about number one hit
0:06:04well something like that shoot you know
0:06:07this was that that was precisely the air
0:06:09when I was not I was not a I'm not able
0:06:12to comment on popular culture between 91
0:06:17in 94 with with any kind of reliability
0:06:20because those were the top years that I
0:06:23was not what I was disconnected out
0:06:25really thats I'd like to explore that i
0:06:27would also like to say publicly to
0:06:29apologize that you know you know me
0:06:31right
0:06:32you know I is still because of my own
0:06:36personal interests and time and focus i
0:06:38still think of 1989 as being kind of
0:06:41like the apotheosis of hip-hop move the
0:06:43dude of you haven't talked about this
0:06:45but you know what I i guess when I say
0:06:47that on the one hand i'm forgetting how
0:06:49much stuff was that I thought I was
0:06:52aware of was really good circuit 93-94
0:06:55and now in retrospect going back and
0:06:57listening to more I can't believe how
0:06:58much I missed because I was one of those
0:07:00people who was like
0:07:01you know the gangster the dark stuff the
0:07:04gang stuff the East Coast West Coast all
0:07:06that stuff really put me off i was not a
0:07:08huge I didn't a time like a biggie but
0:07:11like I'm back and I've been listening to
0:07:12so much stuff from like 93 94 in
0:07:15particular and it's fantastic and I feel
0:07:17like a doofus for how much I missed
0:07:18there's a guy there is a guy follow on
0:07:21twitter
0:07:21whoo-hoo really really will take on all
0:07:25comers if anybody tries to step to him
0:07:28by saying that there's a better rapper
0:07:31than Vicki and I I'm learning that is a
0:07:34commonly held belief
0:07:35yeah and uh hilo watching his thread
0:07:38unfold as you know various people will
0:07:42say but but but what about and he just
0:07:46destroys them with with biggie defense
0:07:52big biggie because its empirical yeah
0:07:56i'm not familiar with the with with a
0:08:00lot of those catalogs because it all
0:08:03took place
0:08:05I mean I'm much more familiar with with
0:08:07the hip-hop of the last 10 years then I
0:08:09was at that central because you know i
0:08:11think i was still caught in in like I
0:08:17went I went down that tribe called quest
0:08:21corridor right during that period which
0:08:24fields which in some ways feels like the
0:08:26last chapter of that story in some ways
0:08:29yeah at it does it feels like a like a
0:08:33hip-hop was getting really smart really
0:08:35conscious it's and more and more
0:08:37ambitious like introducing jazz and
0:08:39stuff like that it really felt like wow
0:08:40this is going to get can get more
0:08:42interesting than this and while at the
0:08:44same time about the same time you gotta
0:08:46see hammer you got no ice
0:08:47eventually a crisscross you get you know
0:08:49how to paint and stuff like that we're
0:08:51like in my mind I was kinda like
0:08:52shutting down gonna go well this is jump
0:08:54the shark at this point like Biz Markie
0:08:56I mean there was a lot of there's a lot
0:08:59to related it splintered let's say huh
0:09:02then what survived it was not what I
0:09:05would have expected was gonna survive it
0:09:08right i mean the all the stuff that
0:09:10seems like really cool and
0:09:13and and intellectual I guess I mean that
0:09:19when Atlanta what Atlanta rose to the
0:09:22top was the was when I kind of felt like
0:09:25what is what why of all the things of
0:09:28all the directions that hip-hop could
0:09:30explore wise atlanta leading the charge
0:09:33and I said I I felt that way because i
0:09:35was a Pacific Northwest booster and the
0:09:39hip-hop here was always smarter and
0:09:41maybe a little bit less hook driven but
0:09:45also liked the stuff that was getting a
0:09:46lot of airplay was and i'm probably
0:09:48conflating my dates here but it was more
0:09:50like what became of the dirty south kind
0:09:52of stuff which and on for me but but you
0:09:54go back and listen listen to like late
0:09:56nineties outcast and its really good
0:09:59sure I mean like I Phi was not aware of
0:10:01that but I'm not back in like even the
0:10:03last week especially I've been listening
0:10:04to what I have to
0:10:06you're gonna hate me for this but like
0:10:07being into Hamilton you can go in kind
0:10:10of 10 here's the thing is you know what
0:10:13I should have a list of anxiety sounds
0:10:14that i make only what will start talking
0:10:17about Hamill yeah this is not a bit but
0:10:20i always say is that he is very generous
0:10:21about saying you know for example like
0:10:24you know this song like which one like
0:10:29satisfied
0:10:30uh it's very very similar in some ways
0:10:33that's very helpless is very similar to
0:10:35clockwise by Beyonce a song that i
0:10:38totally passed me by I go back and
0:10:40listen clockwise I'm like this long
0:10:41fucking great
0:10:42this is a really great song like a huge
0:10:44influence this song by Mobb Deep called
0:10:46this shook ones part 2 so freaking good
0:10:51now i'm going back and I listen to like
0:10:53illmatic a long time ago I finally went
0:10:56back and listened illmatic all the way
0:10:57through and it's fucking genius so or
0:11:00like now you know there's a time when I
0:11:01was really into tang clan and the
0:11:03offshoot albums they had a pretty good
0:11:05like pretty good like two years of like
0:11:08solo stuff and wu-tang stuff and it is
0:11:10really it is really special and I want
0:11:13to eat my words and say I was I was dead
0:11:15wrong
0:11:16it got different if not just better it
0:11:19definitely more sophisticated but the
0:11:21flow became more important you know the
0:11:23flow as we come
0:11:24I know how important flows it always was
0:11:30and so 91 we start with you any of this
0:11:35stuff that your clothes and well you
0:11:37know the heavy flow i would I you know I
0:11:40think that's actually what I well how I
0:11:42think of you
0:11:43well you don't need a medic mid 90s
0:11:44hip-hop is a lot like any kind of humor
0:11:46where a woman i thought i did not I did
0:11:48not mean that to go back into the 9700
0:11:51I'm gonna say is that you can dissect it
0:11:54and say why this is more successful than
0:11:57that and you can talk about nozzles
0:11:59internal rhyme schemes but it doesn't
0:12:00really get at the thing it's like you
0:12:02know it's like trying to say like why
0:12:03this money python bit is funnier than
0:12:05that one but that's always going to say
0:12:07about you just described described
0:12:09months and months of my life I was not I
0:12:11believe me I thought about it but 91 294
0:12:14you were still doing your thing then huh
0:12:17yeah well yeah and also completely
0:12:21unplugged from I'm gonna have people ask
0:12:27him how it is that i can i can claim
0:12:32that I don't consume media intentional
0:12:36not ask that and yet also have you know
0:12:40passing knowledge or i can at least keep
0:12:42in the game of a conversation about
0:12:44anything i can tell you a song comes on
0:12:46the radio I can identify it and say who
0:12:48it is and I can't explain that exactly
0:12:51either you know like I haven't bought on
0:12:54a record album in a long long time and
0:13:00and even then it was you know I bought a
0:13:02record album once like a i can count on
0:13:06a couple of hands the number of albums i
0:13:07bought since I was out of high school
0:13:11really but yeah I mean but what if I
0:13:15bought 15 albums maybe I mean the never
0:13:20talk about the the day out
0:13:23ok computer came out the day ok computer
0:13:26no I don't know about that day I think
0:13:27there's any year that didn't happen but
0:13:29that did that it didn't happen it was
0:13:30the only thing that happened
0:13:31actually hear about the typo i was
0:13:35sitting at my I was sitting at my in my
0:13:37store my little uh magazine store and I
0:13:42I love to read the british pop magazines
0:13:46q and mojo and enemy and stuff like that
0:13:49so I was sitting on my counter at work
0:13:52you know ringing ringing up people's
0:13:53newspapers and reading probably q and
0:13:59here's an article about Radiohead in the
0:14:00studio and they're in there and they're
0:14:03working on their new record they've been
0:14:04working on it for a long time and it's
0:14:06getting ready to come out and i'm
0:14:08reading this article and I'm like this
0:14:09is really interesting like you know but
0:14:12I don't know this band but but i really
0:14:14liked this article and it got to the end
0:14:19and you know we always got the british
0:14:21pop magazines on a little bit of a delay
0:14:23because they had to come in the post and
0:14:27it gets to the end of the article and it
0:14:29says you know the records coming out
0:14:30April whatever and i'm like 'that's
0:14:33today and so I picked up the phone how
0:14:37right i do instead somebody bring it to
0:14:39you
0:14:40yeah Ryan to write you remember this
0:14:42called the record store day at the end
0:14:44of the at the end of the neighborhoods
0:14:45like this
0:14:46Radiohead and he was like it just came
0:14:48out today it's incredible and I was like
0:14:50why I don't you know i don't get off
0:14:53until 11 and I know your store closes at
0:14:55nine is there anyway we can wear and he
0:14:59was like out bring it to you right and
0:15:02and I was so like every once in a while
0:15:05something like that will happen where it
0:15:07sounds like I'm a massive fan of things
0:15:12and like I had a guy bring me the record
0:15:15before the store closed but no that was
0:15:18just the one time that ever happened but
0:15:20it just so happened that it was ok
0:15:22computer and you know and that was
0:15:25obviously a record that was on it that
0:15:28was on heavy rotation only rotation
0:15:32maybe but so anyway during that period
0:15:34the early nineties right I was consuming
0:15:36a ton of stuff because i was living in
0:15:39seattle and surrounded by culture
0:15:42that was happening a certain culture but
0:15:45as far as what was on TV at that time or
0:15:49what the what the contemporary fashion
0:15:52was maybe or what any kind of music that
0:15:55was happening outside of my outside of
0:15:57the world that of happenstance and I
0:16:00guess that's what it is but it's a it's
0:16:02a happenstance thing we are we were on
0:16:05tour one time and Sean was DJing and the
0:16:09DJ game you know we're driving into the
0:16:11night we're the only two that are awake
0:16:13and he started he started asking me like
0:16:16what band is this what song is this and
0:16:19I could and I could tell him and so the
0:16:22DJ game became can Shawn play a song
0:16:25that I don't that I can't tell him what
0:16:27band is and we drove through the night
0:16:30and somehow and i have no idea how I was
0:16:34able to identify every band food and
0:16:36Sean's really trust you know like
0:16:38shooting out some obscure shit I
0:16:40couldn't do that now
0:16:42right but 2004 i could just be like yeah
0:16:46I think that's probably you know just
0:16:50sort of died it wasn't all very
0:16:53confident but I could listen to it and
0:16:56get the vibe of it and then pull down
0:16:59out of my you know Terminator menu like
0:17:03this is you know this has got to be
0:17:05behead coats and I was just thinking
0:17:08ahead
0:17:08I mean how would you know like I'd I
0:17:11cannot tell you how i would so it's a
0:17:14it's I think it's a like it's a there's
0:17:17a permeability to me that I here and
0:17:20register stuff but but I don't
0:17:24intentionally seek it out and I don't
0:17:26sit around and consumers voluntarily
0:17:28yeah and during that era I was just yeah
0:17:32I was soaking in it
0:17:34let's its I'm this is not totally
0:17:36analogous but it might be a little bit
0:17:37sports wear when i was a kid i was very
0:17:41into following sports professional
0:17:44sports especially baseball and most
0:17:46especially the Reds you know and just
0:17:48the National League in general and so
0:17:50far you know for a couple three years i
0:17:52would seek that out in addition to it
0:17:54being
0:17:55just a huge part of my environment
0:17:56living in Cincinnati but i mean i would
0:17:58look at the sports page i need the box
0:18:00scores i know who is out by two and a
0:18:01half games and stuff like that I knew
0:18:03who's batting averages were what that's
0:18:04here with the thing is you think about
0:18:06think about baseball think about the ND
0:18:08think about any of those things you have
0:18:10so much more attention for that stuff
0:18:11when you're younger so back then yes I
0:18:14did seek that out and I collect baseball
0:18:15cards etc etc all the things of the kid
0:18:17does but arm announced but now today I
0:18:20don't follow sports
0:18:22yeah but you can keep it moving in the
0:18:24Congo but it's it's everywhere so you
0:18:27kind of you know you kind of have to
0:18:29know at least a little bit about sports
0:18:30in order to be a man in America like you
0:18:32can't just get you considered I think
0:18:34it's considered somewhat confrontational
0:18:37to go into a discussion going to talk
0:18:38about sports
0:18:39I don't even like boards well yeah I
0:18:41mean like it obviously that's a certain
0:18:43kind of like you know I don't even have
0:18:44a tubular my now I know I don't even
0:18:46know what he was something I need the TV
0:18:48understand but I'm but I think that's
0:18:50part of it and we know you're just
0:18:52surrounded by it and it's it's what
0:18:54other people are talking about and
0:18:56you're just picking stuff up but you
0:18:57know music also is different because
0:18:59even though you may have heard the name
0:19:01the head coats don't know how to
0:19:02pronounce that the head coach many times
0:19:04you may not
0:19:06I mean how would you have known that
0:19:07particular like oh this is brian
0:19:09jonestown massacre like how would you
0:19:11know that you know i don't know i don't
0:19:13know let's um let's go let's go this
0:19:18direction do you think Pete Rose should
0:19:20be in the Hall of Fame I feel like Pete
0:19:24Rose yes probably
0:19:26and I feel like he should be under some
0:19:27sort of conservatorship I'm not the word
0:19:29is I think someone should be his power
0:19:31of attorney and like should get him to
0:19:32quit Donald trumping all the time being
0:19:34such a dumbass but no I mean you know uh
0:19:37I do I think that's I think that is a I
0:19:40don't think about it a lot but you're
0:19:41asking I think he is it is not a very
0:19:44nice person he's not a very smart person
0:19:45but he was legitimately great at what he
0:19:47did and what he eventually did in the
0:19:49late seventies early eighties shouldn't
0:19:51have an effect on the way 20 years that
0:19:53he was people right right giving praise
0:19:55lawns Barry Bonds should be in the whole
0:19:58thing I i'm home run hitter right yeah I
0:20:01I don't know that's complicated
0:20:03I Alex Rodriguez you like a murder not
0:20:05like the guys is right
0:20:06right now ya know why everybody but when
0:20:09people have strong feelings with it was
0:20:11here a doping scandal
0:20:12well yes ok but i think is so Alex
0:20:14Rodriguez was as was a seattle mariner
0:20:17how to do the Yankees he will eventually
0:20:20so he left he was a seattle mariner he
0:20:23was a very popular player i mean in the
0:20:26sense of his game but nobody really
0:20:29liked him right everybody likes ken
0:20:31griffey jr. here in Seattle it's ken
0:20:33griffey jr. walks into a restaurant here
0:20:34at everybody just falls on the floor it
0:20:39was it was easily mariner giggling he
0:20:41was a he was a mariner all through that
0:20:44he was the one he was the young guy that
0:20:46like brought the Mariners to Nationals
0:20:48you know his dad from the Rebs right
0:20:50right and he was just this charming kid
0:20:52that could hit the ball out of the park
0:20:53and everybody loved him and you know the
0:20:56stadium that we built here we certain
0:21:00people will call it the house that
0:21:02Griffey built I would never call it ok i
0:21:05would say it wasn't how you think about
0:21:06things
0:21:07it was the house that got built after
0:21:08three different three different citywide
0:21:12boats each vote Tony against the steps
0:21:15are different on the shirt but um but uh
0:21:18but so Rodriguez he was a great player
0:21:21but but that was the intro era tu and I
0:21:24mean it there were a lot of people to
0:21:25like and he was not one of them and then
0:21:27he signed the richest deal in the
0:21:30history of baseball 250 million dollars
0:21:33or something to place in texas rangers
0:21:35and then he traded to the yankees and I
0:21:39think the Rangers have to keep paying
0:21:41him somehow that so he gets paid by the
0:21:45AE ideal like that you should get that
0:21:47kind of deal i should have won the last
0:21:4925 years shit doc shit dog but anyway so
0:21:53Rodriguez like he's happy place on the
0:21:55yankees one of the all-time I think is
0:21:57the number for home run hitter in
0:21:59history
0:22:00barry bonds of course the great Barry
0:22:03Bonds being number one a deeply
0:22:05unlikable character you were here in San
0:22:08Francisco during his reign right yeah
0:22:09yeah yeah I mean it's funny he just he
0:22:13just radiates unpleasantness
0:22:15yeah yeah he doesn't seem likely see ken
0:22:18griffey jr. and it's like yeah just
0:22:20no he seems like he would talk to a kid
0:22:21but Barry Bonds part also the earring
0:22:24and only theory
0:22:24yeah yeah yeahs get ken griffey jr. I
0:22:26mean what ken griffey jr. bought a house
0:22:29in Florida and I don't this is a long
0:22:32time ago I don't care about baseball or
0:22:35any of that but when he bought a house
0:22:36in Florida I felt a little bit betrayed
0:22:38like Ken what are you doing why you
0:22:41buying a house in Florida man your
0:22:43seattle guy and then when he traded oh I
0:22:46was any I think he went to his dad's
0:22:48team right there was some reason hmmm
0:22:51but I felt like we didn't mean it's a
0:22:53little bit at the same way with a churro
0:22:55went it was like what you guys are
0:22:56Seattle Seattle where you going where
0:22:59you going man but we don't talk about
0:23:01that i think i think that the players
0:23:02moving other places is a super
0:23:04interesting phenomena Yeah a like hair
0:23:07like you know every game you go to every
0:23:09game you see so many people had a for
0:23:12the Giants in last year's had like a Tim
0:23:14Lincecum Jersey you know like you know
0:23:18as there's these characters who become
0:23:20so synonymous with the team and it's why
0:23:22people go to the games i had at one
0:23:24point I had a Jason Giambi days blouse
0:23:30and it's funny because like that he's
0:23:32not much was that more a housecoat and
0:23:35generally house could really i misused
0:23:37the word should we use all the time like
0:23:39else if something sells ago like it fell
0:23:42together like a like a wine i know you
0:23:45really should ease luxury is ashish
0:23:48model but yeah like that's a beautiful
0:23:52chemise and the person I'm complimenting
0:23:55will go huh
0:23:56no this is a chemise know that's like
0:24:00pingas it's a good word but it is funny
0:24:02because like you know it's it's such a
0:24:04complicated not of feelings and brand
0:24:07and business there in 44 everybody I
0:24:10mean for the team for the player for the
0:24:12people like you understand I'm again
0:24:14just to be clear I'm not trying to be
0:24:15cynical about this
0:24:16I've had those feelings i bought those
0:24:17products like I feel that bond
0:24:19I mean I have you know Marvel character
0:24:22sitting around here my my office
0:24:24it's just that it's funny though when
0:24:25somebody does leave them people just
0:24:26people are so sad they're so crestfallen
0:24:28and now like that that Lincecum jersey I
0:24:31mean like what you gonna do with that
0:24:32you can
0:24:32wear that around yeah what you got to do
0:24:34with that ya can't wear that around can
0:24:36wear that around
0:24:37well I mean I people people do I see I
0:24:40people at baseball games i mean the the
0:24:42sheer amount of mariners merchandise
0:24:45not to mention like Yankees merchandise
0:24:49I mean they're the the number of yankees
0:24:51baseball caps in the world has got to
0:24:53exceed the number of domesticated cats
0:24:57in the world like this time more yankees
0:24:59hats and people Empire is 1.1 yankees
0:25:03hats per person
0:25:04it's like cellphones in south korea 41.1
0:25:07some like 1.1 1.2 cell phones per person
0:25:10in south korea so right
0:25:12they have their beyond one hundred
0:25:13percent saturation but well haven't you
0:25:17been hundreds in saturated never had
0:25:19that I happens to me all the time you
0:25:21know I often do this program in the back
0:25:23i I really felt strongly about it 0 and
0:25:32it was because he just had a grace as
0:25:36kind of personal grace and the fact that
0:25:39he spoke English but insisted on doing
0:25:41all these interviews through a
0:25:43translator the way he the way he walked
0:25:46out on the field his little quirks you
0:25:48know he was a tall man he was not a
0:25:50small guy huh his peers just reliable
0:25:54and there's a lot of criticism of him
0:25:56for the way he sort of appeared at least
0:26:00to be batting for himself and his own
0:26:03legacy rather than for the team i guess
0:26:08but III can't
0:26:09that just seems like weird sports talk
0:26:10that seems like sports radio talk and I
0:26:13often wondered why he singled so much
0:26:16when he clearly could have knocked that
0:26:18ball out of the park also like you know
0:26:21he could have he could have tried to be
0:26:23a hero like a like a Alex Rodriguez type
0:26:27where it's just like Grand Slam
0:26:29uh-huh but he just was this workman like
0:26:32plumped the ball into the field
0:26:36somewhere where nobody can catch it we
0:26:37call it a small small small ball move
0:26:40the move the the runners forward
0:26:43but I really admired it and I just liked
0:26:46everything about him I just like his
0:26:47physicality it's one of those things
0:26:49where I mean I don't are you watching
0:26:51the olympics one of the problems for me
0:26:53of watching the olympics is that I cry
0:26:56every time really doesn't thing
0:27:00interesting i heard the swimming lady
0:27:02did really well I saw an infographic of
0:27:04swimming and it looked very amazing
0:27:07she's extraordinary athlete but like the
0:27:11the way that they televise the Olympics
0:27:13the the the commentators are are so off
0:27:18like I mean really invasive ring but
0:27:21yeah I was a large community that was
0:27:22watching them yesterday and a
0:27:24commentator actually said well you know
0:27:27do you think she can pull it off and the
0:27:30other person said well I think she can
0:27:33pull it off
0:27:34the question is will she wow that's a
0:27:36really good point so it's actually
0:27:38Campbell will she
0:27:39yeah and I was just like wow you know I
0:27:43can do I could do that job
0:27:45yeah but is it really this game is going
0:27:47to come down to whoever puts more points
0:27:48on the board the events right that's
0:27:50right who I mean who's got hard
0:27:52oh and the other thing is these guys
0:27:53came to play ball but they really the
0:27:56the Olympics the way we televise them at
0:27:58least he doesn't like a bit there's a
0:28:00story there like I what I call file card
0:28:02you get a file card always mom drove him
0:28:04to pull every morning at 2am that cancer
0:28:06or the or the lately they're doing this
0:28:08thing that I've never seen in past
0:28:10olympics weather like this person has
0:28:13been is a five-time olympian who's never
0:28:16wanna metal all cinderella stories and I
0:28:19guess yeah you're just like wow we've
0:28:21been to the Olympics five times I've
0:28:23never won a medal luge on their do well
0:28:26and it just feels like okay you are one
0:28:28of the greatest athletes of our time
0:28:31because you've been to the Olympics not
0:28:33just once
0:28:34five times huh and yet she like Oh
0:28:39championship eludes you
0:28:42how must that feel I mean to be the
0:28:44greatest athlete like there there's a
0:28:46diver a competitive diver from China a
0:28:49woman who's been to the Olympics five
0:28:51times and has more
0:28:52gold medals than anyone in the history
0:28:53of diving and you just watch your diving
0:28:55you're like wow that's that's
0:28:58exceptional you know or watch the US
0:29:00gymnastics team you just like I don't
0:29:03even understand what's happening
0:29:04I couldn't describe that move if I had a
0:29:07if you know if I had a powerpoint
0:29:08demonstration right but to to be one of
0:29:12the greatest athletes of your country
0:29:15and of our time and have never won a
0:29:17medal
0:29:17yes i am now emotionally engaged in this
0:29:20like I just wanted two different story
0:29:22now it's also it's all it's a story
0:29:23about overcoming and it's also announced
0:29:26the aging but it's a story about getting
0:29:27older
0:29:28yeah there's no how many more chances
0:29:29are they going to have there's a gymnast
0:29:31from Uzbekistan just a 40-year old lady
0:29:33was fucking 40 years old that's crazy
0:29:35and she's out there competing with the
0:29:37you know with 16 year olds yeah but I
0:29:40don't even need any of that
0:29:43contextualizing drama building American
0:29:48television like let's make it you know
0:29:51let's make everything MTV's the real
0:29:55world impulse just watching sports
0:29:58people performing at their highest level
0:30:03i just will start to cry about any
0:30:07competition where I see somebody be
0:30:12performed beautifully because at that at
0:30:14that level of sport the difference
0:30:16between somebody who is one of the
0:30:19greatest in the world and the greatest
0:30:21in the world is so profound
0:30:23yeah you know like this person ran that
0:30:25race and they you know where within two
0:30:28tenths of a second behind the leader but
0:30:31the leader ran with this indescribable
0:30:34ility that I that I have this emotional
0:30:38response to and I don't know why and I
0:30:40don't know how I can't control it and I
0:30:42sit there I'm just like I'm I don't cry
0:30:46I don't cry but if firm you know if I
0:30:50saw somebody if I saw like well i think
0:30:53i would probably cry if I saw something
0:30:54bad
0:30:55I'm not sure maybe i do crack I don't
0:30:57typically cry in the course of a week or
0:31:00month
0:31:01four-year um I don't cry about things
0:31:04that happened to me but watching
0:31:07somebody do a race and and you know
0:31:14thrill of victory agony of defeat
0:31:16I just get so worked up and I and I so
0:31:19best thing
0:31:20ya feel that way about truly great
0:31:22moments in sports of all kinds when
0:31:24somebody does some baseball thing that
0:31:27that just is that's captivatingly good
0:31:31evenin a mundane game where some you
0:31:34know where fielder just pulls off a
0:31:36catch I'm just like oh and i'm not sure
0:31:39if i'm not sure if sports fans are
0:31:41experiencing those feelings too and
0:31:43that's why sports is so popular with
0:31:44people i find i find it almost a little
0:31:47overwhelming
0:31:48yeah yeah it's it's also my my my friend
0:31:53John Gruber as put it this way i think
0:31:55this is pretty smart you know there's
0:31:56some people who are into baseball for
0:31:57the numbers and some people who are into
0:31:59baseball for the story and I thought
0:32:00that was a really nice point the first
0:32:02person to say that but I think that's
0:32:03really smart and people who are into the
0:32:05story are into this much longer arc of
0:32:08like not just this inning
0:32:10we're not just not not this at bat this
0:32:12inning this game this are you know
0:32:16double header or whatever this not even
0:32:19the season is the grand Ark of the big
0:32:21story about the Yankees yeah oh and I'm
0:32:23looking I'm looking right now is funny
0:32:25you should mention that at an article in
0:32:27the new york post where is Jeter ranked
0:32:30in the top 10 greatest Yankees nice well
0:32:34except the writer says cheater isn't
0:32:39even in the top 10 Yankees and then he
0:32:42proceeds to talk about babe the babe the
0:32:48babe and lou gehrig enjoy DiMaggio and
0:32:51Mickey Mantle and Yogi Berra boo and
0:32:53you're just like there are a lot of big
0:32:55Yankees there are a lot of top Yankees
0:32:57where's Derek Jeter going to fall the
0:33:00writer
0:33:01wait so wait it is it written by Derek
0:33:03Jeter no oh no it is writing as a is
0:33:07writing it's being written in a way to
0:33:09like brushback the kids brush
0:33:13back ya hip-hop generation all these
0:33:16kids today with the rock-and-roll they
0:33:18don't know from Yankees yeah they're
0:33:19millennia their millenniums you know
0:33:21they're Derek Jeter up there it's like
0:33:23you don't even have you ever even heard
0:33:25of YT for you don't even you can't your
0:33:27jeter is your whitey Ford fan that name
0:33:29is less three albums not a fan Don
0:33:32Mattingly please
0:33:34and so yeah that arc of baseball the
0:33:38level where where the Chicago White Sox
0:33:41haven't won a game in two thousand years
0:33:45yeah the Boston whalers haven't scored a
0:33:48puck uh-huh
0:33:50in the 54,000 hundreds called the curse
0:33:53of the Gambino's and well yea rightfully
0:33:56so I really became pecker there are more
0:33:59there are more mobsters in Rhode Island
0:34:01turns out and in New York City deadly as
0:34:05a mobster be honest
0:34:06Ted is to moral he's not a wartime
0:34:10customary he's not at all
0:34:12that's exactly right you know what my
0:34:14father who's a better constantly area
0:34:15than my father
0:34:16that's right we're going to meet you
0:34:18somewhere else Tom and the thing about a
0:34:21thing about Ted is I think that Ted can
0:34:24talk two monsters and their moms result
0:34:26around 10 be waiting in the lobby
0:34:29either it is like a you know he's like a
0:34:31district to turn he's like Oh
0:34:33straight-shooting this is straight
0:34:34shooter yeah yeah who's Bruce brother is
0:34:38a mouse
0:34:39oh that looks like a like a showtime TV
0:34:41show kind of thing
0:34:42yeah I so with you just finish this one
0:34:46bit yeah i think that you know if you're
0:34:48someone like me who's a tourist like you
0:34:50can come in and just in you know enjoy
0:34:52game on its own terms but you know like
0:34:54my family my gosh my in-laws they are
0:34:56they're just they're screaming
0:34:58obscenities the whole game they're all
0:34:59they're mad about the calls and like
0:35:01they're very very invested but I get
0:35:03what you mean i'm going to just toss out
0:35:05something I didn't I I used to be really
0:35:07into the hitters like the big hitters
0:35:09but hold this is probably just a sign
0:35:11again and getting older I'm more and
0:35:13more really appreciate pitching and
0:35:16especially when you look at somebody
0:35:18like our God is an amazing closer for
0:35:21the Yankees a few years ago
0:35:22oh I'm so embarrassed the you know that
0:35:26one guy
0:35:26but yeah the guy you know who I mean
0:35:29yeah he's the latino guy whose name I
0:35:32can't remember
0:35:33yeah man and he's uh he's amazing and so
0:35:36but like when you go in particular he
0:35:38was pitching I think against the giants
0:35:40a few years ago in the World Series and
0:35:42just the coolness like The Incredible
0:35:43composure that it takes to come in at
0:35:46the end and and be able to keep it all
0:35:48together from pitch to pitch and if you
0:35:50fuck up bitch where you gotta not fuck
0:35:51up the next one and like you know you
0:35:53don't get to be a hero
0:35:54you've got you've got to make you gotta
0:35:55become a hero one pitch at a time and I
0:35:57really or a goat but like it you're as
0:36:01good as that game and oh wait i know it
0:36:04rod Rodriguez has a name I look it up
0:36:08thankies relief pitcher I i I'm saying
0:36:10is I'm coming too much more appreciate
0:36:12pitching and the composure and
0:36:15athleticism and intelligence that it
0:36:17takes to be a picture like to not get
0:36:18stuck in your own head like it's just so
0:36:21amazing to watch
0:36:22well but again there's some indefinable
0:36:24quality like Felix Hernandez for the
0:36:28Mariners and Ariana Mariano Rivera
0:36:30Mariano Rivera yeah something you know I
0:36:33i followed the Mariners most closely
0:36:36because it because it's part of our
0:36:38culture here
0:36:39well this is something you might not
0:36:41know but your local team a lot of times
0:36:45will generate more fandom among mode the
0:36:48local population to get the whole to get
0:36:50the national sport and there's different
0:36:52teams that are there nominally located
0:36:56around the country you're saying that
0:36:57the town that the in your hometown that
0:36:59team that franchise that business they
0:37:01tend to accrue more attention and
0:37:03affection typically among the local
0:37:05population so now my my dad is was from
0:37:09the Northwest he never lived in boss
0:37:12then he didn't leave never we never
0:37:14lived in Pakistan he grew up in Seattle
0:37:18went to college in seattle and then
0:37:21moved to Alaska so he so he had a very
0:37:25geographical fandom it was like em it
0:37:30was like Lyme disease right it was good
0:37:32but it went in a in concentric circles
0:37:36out from the initial wound and so he you
0:37:41know his number one favorite thing was
0:37:44Huskies the University of Washington
0:37:46Huskies and I think that he I think in
0:37:50the in the fifties and sixties he
0:37:53followed Huskies basketball but as time
0:37:56went on like the Huskies football became
0:37:57you became the big thing but he like
0:38:00college basketball and he would root for
0:38:02the team in any because he would watch
0:38:04any game any sports game he would root
0:38:08for the team or person who originated
0:38:11the closest to seattle so if they were
0:38:14to get there were two tennis players and
0:38:16one of them was from Baltimore and one
0:38:18of them was from you know was from
0:38:21Boston he would he would adjudicate in
0:38:25his in his geographic understanding of
0:38:27the country which was closest and i
0:38:30would say it's pretty hard to you know
0:38:31pretty hard to care
0:38:33that's so arbitrary yeah he was just
0:38:35like you know like he always rooted for
0:38:38berkeley over UCLA like just that just
0:38:43made sense to who
0:38:45um but so Felix Hernandez is a big deal
0:38:48here in seattle he's Abby's the you know
0:38:50he's a picture that has his own fan
0:38:52group in the stadium and he is a great
0:38:56picture but I just this is I'm you know
0:38:59this is one of those things I can
0:39:01explain
0:39:01I'm just not into Felix tremendous huh
0:39:04he comes out and i appreciate his
0:39:05performance i understand that he's a
0:39:07great picture but like I don't feel an
0:39:09emotional resonance with him sometimes a
0:39:11pitcher walks out there and just like
0:39:13this guy holy cat who I into this guy
0:39:16and I don't know what it is it so it's
0:39:18not just Flair it's just something I
0:39:22just feel like Felix Hernandez is kind
0:39:24of
0:39:25big kid maybe I feel like maybe he's a
0:39:28little bit of a bully in the dugout but
0:39:30like not have not a bully like he's just
0:39:33what he's always laughing but he's like
0:39:35he's that you know he's like grabbing
0:39:39the grabbing your underwear and pulling
0:39:40it up
0:39:40hmm so but that's that's where the weird
0:39:44thing about sports
0:39:46i I don't know how it is that i can tune
0:39:49into curling at two o'clock in the
0:39:52morning on a hotel room television and
0:39:55about everything that's on TV at two
0:39:57o'clock in the morning which is to say
0:39:58nothing but i will prefer watching
0:40:01curling to almost anything else if i can
0:40:06find it on TV and I'll sit else in the
0:40:08hotel room even if i have something due
0:40:10the next day and i'll watch curling as
0:40:12long as it's on the five o'clock in the
0:40:14morning and i'll get really invested in
0:40:17a curling match between prince edward
0:40:20island and Saskatchewan and we'll just
0:40:26be like really rooting in general i
0:40:30think i would probably root for Prince
0:40:31Edward Island and a but it would depend
0:40:35it would depend on how whether i like
0:40:37the captain or not the uniforms uniforms
0:40:40but you know if curling were just
0:40:43sweeping the way kids sweeps the
0:40:45mcdonalds it wouldn't be as fun if the
0:40:47intensity and focus of the sweeping that
0:40:49makes it compelling a little music kappa
0:40:53night but i find the sweeping aspect of
0:40:55it you know because that's where there's
0:40:56a lot of yelling you know a lot of
0:41:00yelling to go with that sweeping is that
0:41:01right yeah yell at each other they
0:41:03yelling at the puck the stone they're
0:41:07just yelling at the walls because
0:41:08they're very excited and they're
0:41:11sweeping is having get relative to the
0:41:14amount of energy they're expanding its
0:41:16having a very my new effect on the
0:41:17corner trying to make a little path
0:41:19right yeah a rough day rough up or
0:41:22smooth up for doing something to a
0:41:23certain area to make make the stone move
0:41:26a certain way a curve the stone Turner
0:41:28that the aspect the aspect that I like
0:41:30is the throwing of the stone because
0:41:32it's so focused and i understand it like
0:41:35and you start to see that your whole
0:41:37body slides with the stone
0:41:38and then you just set it free it's like
0:41:41fly be free stone and let the sweepers
0:41:45sweep as they may but i have set you on
0:41:48a course on a path through life are you
0:41:51going around these other stones are here
0:41:53and like parenting
0:41:54that's right are you going to hit these
0:41:56other stones head-on or you can move
0:41:57around these somebody come up and coming
0:41:59to combine clean up after you
0:42:01yeah you're gonna run down and fuck one
0:42:02of those cows are you gonna walk down
0:42:03and fuck all those cows this episode of
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0:43:39you know to have time to start watching
0:43:47TV
0:43:48boy I'll say mhm have you ever watched
0:43:51an episode of the TV show girls i have
0:43:54seen the TV show girls
0:43:55yeah yeah I thought I thought it was
0:43:57that was good i don't have strong
0:44:00feelings I have friends who are very
0:44:02very into it I i thought it seemed good
0:44:04it's got kind of rain in it although it
0:44:06does have kind of run
0:44:07uh oh yes yes it does show you watching
0:44:09enjoy
0:44:10well i stumbledupon it was late at night
0:44:13in a hotel room that's a great time i
0:44:15have to say that is actually a great
0:44:17time discovered TV shows you're so
0:44:18predisposed to something that's not a
0:44:20knife commercial yeah I i well so I
0:44:23discovered band of brothers on hana
0:44:26flight it was one of the hanging was one
0:44:29of the early flights don't have to talk
0:44:30about crying there's two things I
0:44:32discovered on flights that true well
0:44:35let's say three things well I discovered
0:44:36delta airlines a trivia game with
0:44:40consistent as European sports think i'm
0:44:43so mad about frustrates you who is the
0:44:45captain of the of the nineteen seventies
0:44:48winning manchester united manchester
0:44:51united nothing about Lester look you but
0:44:55at another two TV shows i discovered the
0:44:58two not not TV shows the do
0:45:00entertainment i discovered on airplanes
0:45:01are Band of Brothers which I had avoided
0:45:03up until then because it felt like this
0:45:06is just some saving private ryan
0:45:08bullshit some steven spielberg produced
0:45:10ya tom hanks involved like weird fake
0:45:15war like high-definition war movie that
0:45:18I and I didn't see saving private ryan
0:45:20when it came out and my dad was still
0:45:21alive and we should have gone to see it
0:45:23together but I was like I don't want to
0:45:24watch some steven spielberg war movie
0:45:27hopefully you know that opens still
0:45:28pretty rough
0:45:29well and that's the things like when i
0:45:31finally watched it I said was I so
0:45:34afraid of this is just a great war movie
0:45:35and I have watched them all war movies
0:45:38but I'm on some flight and it was a long
0:45:40flight it was like from Europe and for
0:45:43whatever reason they had band of
0:45:45brothers and I started it starts getting
0:45:47no but I started soon enough i think i
0:45:50think i started episode 2
0:45:52Johnny when you asked what a fucking
0:45:55cast yet incredible and it was streaming
0:45:57it was it was in order so i just spent
0:46:00ten hours watching band of brothers and
0:46:02it was it was like it was like the Civil
0:46:06War documentary can first ken burns or I
0:46:09guess what i think of as the first ken
0:46:10burns which I could watch that once a
0:46:13year for the rest of my life
0:46:14what's the shit what's the name of the
0:46:16battle in the weather stuck in the woods
0:46:17with your daddy
0:46:20yeah you know the one I mean yeah the
0:46:22one in the woods
0:46:23ah fuck what is wrong with us this week
0:46:25well yeah thanks Tom those bolts the but
0:46:28the bolt the yeah this is your damn
0:46:30right is it but it's the one where
0:46:31they're stuck in the woods outside the
0:46:32village in the fuck and it's very
0:46:33amusing bombs are just coming to just
0:46:35and they're just picking them off and
0:46:36like that is I think you know did the
0:46:38ability to tell that story and to keep
0:46:41drawing that out with so little relief I
0:46:44i think it's masterful and it's late
0:46:46it's like over at least one probably two
0:46:48episodes at least and it's just it's so
0:46:50relentless and so well done and I said
0:46:53that cast
0:46:53yeah I really good show you know what
0:46:55the public that show if I'm at this guy
0:46:56could be wrong but two things I remember
0:46:58coming out around nine eleven is jay-z
0:47:00record came out on 911 and there was our
0:47:03band of brothers came out just a little
0:47:04bit before nine eleven i think about and
0:47:06I we kind of lost in the lights because
0:47:08we at the time we were like it I really
0:47:11that sensitive you know you feel back
0:47:13then you know it's like I don't know i
0:47:15don't think i'm gonna go watch you're
0:47:17not gonna want to shoot him up
0:47:19it is so good the guy from homeland is
0:47:22so great on there
0:47:23well and that this is one of those
0:47:24problems of with actors right I cannot
0:47:28watch him in anything else
0:47:29DJ he just appeared in a new spy movie
0:47:32as like the the sort of Q spymaster
0:47:36character right in a damian lewis
0:47:39someone say i guess i like it i watched
0:47:41him in a spy movie just recently that
0:47:43involved some you know escaping from
0:47:47some baddies and he was the the another
0:47:51fairly a
0:47:52like a moral spymaster and andy and
0:47:58using his actual British accent and I
0:48:00just found the whole thing very false
0:48:01because I because he is lieutenant
0:48:04winters for me forever
0:48:06yeah the other thing I discovered on a
0:48:08delta or not Delta i'm not going to
0:48:10advertise for Delta here it could have
0:48:11been any airline yeah that had TVs in
0:48:14the back of the seat was David Blaine
0:48:16Street magic and hey I cannot tell you
0:48:25how much that first episode that first
0:48:28appearance of David Blaine Street magic
0:48:33how much I was just like God show me
0:48:38more of this street magic is real
0:48:41who cares i know he is out there like
0:48:43you know looking to shoot it happened
0:48:47like I think of a card
0:48:49ok six of diamonds what here call your
0:48:53mom how did you wait a minute how did he
0:48:57just full-on guess the card was the one
0:49:01since the ones writing this has been
0:49:02parody temp too much greater effect but
0:49:04it is really true it's like there's it's
0:49:05like you know you've seen that guy
0:49:07Apollo what's-his-name the greatest
0:49:09pickpocket in the world you know
0:49:11yeah yeah he's great my daughter and I
0:49:12just want to watch that video every
0:49:13couple weeks and I still I still can I I
0:49:16know how he does it and I still don't
0:49:18see him do it but he's doing it I that I
0:49:21believe I know there's some tricks in
0:49:22that but that is all I think genuine
0:49:24brilliant sleight-of-hand yeah but with
0:49:26the but I think don't you think it's
0:49:28probably more stagecraft with David
0:49:29Blaine you don't care i think it's david
0:49:31playing the guy is on a salad bar for
0:49:33six years and he's the guy who does the
0:49:34name the endurance things
0:49:35yeah which I don't find very interesting
0:49:37like he's increased in I alright top of
0:49:40the bellagio for and it's just like you
0:49:42all right you're starving yourself to
0:49:43death that is amazing i guess from
0:49:45within
0:49:46it's pretty slow reveal but there are
0:49:48those guys in India there's the one guy
0:49:50in India who has had one
0:49:52I'm raised for 15 years what the daily
0:49:56said or 40 years or something like that
0:49:58he's got one arm that he's just kept
0:50:00raised and it has become completely
0:50:02atrophied there's no muscle in the
0:50:05armoire fat if the arm that he holds up
0:50:08appears to just be his arm bone that's
0:50:10commitment and he and he does it because
0:50:12of that you know whatever that aesthetic
0:50:15a tradition is there and you know where
0:50:18you're just like I pound a nail into my
0:50:20nose his decision
0:50:23his thing was I'm gonna hold one arm up
0:50:25in the air which if you've ever tried to
0:50:27do it for a long period of time if
0:50:29you've ever been in a lecture hall and
0:50:30you're like who you're trying to cut
0:50:32somebody's hair you know how hard it is
0:50:34to keep your arms in the air for more
0:50:35than a couple minutes is a lot harder
0:50:37than it looks guys had is on one arm in
0:50:39the air for decades this is one thing
0:50:40that with the internets really good
0:50:42because you have to guess at some point
0:50:43somebody goes you know what I want to
0:50:45dedicate my life to God show this vest
0:50:46is an empty vessel without without our
0:50:48god I'm gonna put my arm up in the air
0:50:50and like a year in tuition because I you
0:50:51know another guy's been doing that for
0:50:5214 years already got fuck yeah sorry man
0:50:56now what am I gonna do think of
0:50:58something else left arm left arm but I
0:51:01but so I'm not interested in David
0:51:03Blaine's geegaws because what what
0:51:05interests me most about magic is
0:51:07close-up magic I don't want to see a big
0:51:09show I don't want to I don't want to see
0:51:10a lion disappear you know like all those
0:51:13things at Penn & Teller do where teller
0:51:15is walking around and some rubber ball
0:51:17is following him across the stage like
0:51:19it's not just all like legacy I I feel
0:51:22like that is just that's just show you
0:51:24like you like those clothes magic that
0:51:26really feels magical because they you
0:51:28know in those biggest shows they just
0:51:29set up the lighting in such a way that
0:51:31you can see the wires its own show its
0:51:33tricks but like the Ricky J stuff for
0:51:36your brother
0:51:37you can see that where those cards get
0:51:39rid of them they keep coming out of his
0:51:41sleeve
0:51:41butBut so David Blaine is doing the
0:51:44thing that I always wanted to do and the
0:51:46best part about David Blaine is that he
0:51:48uses magic any and again he's a complete
0:51:51cornball right like like they set it up
0:51:54in such weather like where should we go
0:51:56let's go to downtown st. Louis at one
0:52:00o'clock in the morning
0:52:01like the place that everyone is the most
0:52:05scared to go and they want their walking
0:52:06around with a TV camera with bright
0:52:09lights on in East st. Louis and these
0:52:13guys are kind of coming out of the
0:52:14shadows and even the the neighborhood
0:52:16guys are like are you crazy like this is
0:52:19the place of all places that you don't
0:52:21want to be why what are you doing and
0:52:23the David Blaine's like launch come over
0:52:25here and discarded as a manager
0:52:28yea big card and the guys are like pick
0:52:31a card
0:52:32alright because it is this your gun yeah
0:52:34this magic popping card picks a card
0:52:37David like is it the four of clubs and
0:52:40they're like wow I'm and it's that it's
0:52:43that idea that magic you did you don't
0:52:46need a common language you don't need ye
0:52:49it pretty it's like a protective bubble
0:52:52because your amazing people and and
0:52:56you're doing it like you're not taking
0:52:57their money it's not a game of dice
0:52:58you're just like let me show you let me
0:53:01show you something that's gonna blow
0:53:02your mind and it any and it universally
0:53:05blows people's minds anywhere and that
0:53:08is such a great that's what I always
0:53:09wanted to know it's like I wanted to
0:53:12know magic and I wanted to play the
0:53:13harmonica who because with what with
0:53:16close-up magic and with the harmonic you
0:53:20can go you can go anywhere right
0:53:24oh you're kidding me there's nowhere in
0:53:26the we're going to delight children all
0:53:27over the world if you can play the
0:53:28harmonica and do a card trick
0:53:30there's nowhere in the world where you
0:53:31can't go trains coming way and people
0:53:37are like yeah yeah god like you're
0:53:41welcome everywhere
0:53:42yep strand if you can be like where's
0:53:44the corner oh it was in your ear
0:53:46what every kid in the world is on your
0:53:48is on your side and then the
0:53:51suspicious-looking grandparents who are
0:53:53like what are you doing with the quarter
0:53:55in the ear is this are you some kind of
0:53:56pervert right and then you're like you
0:53:58were thinking of the four of clubs and
0:54:00then the grandparents say basically come
0:54:02stay with us
0:54:03that's the 1i love and a guy you don't
0:54:05because in the ground but did again that
0:54:08up i can remember the guys name Apollo
0:54:10Apollo Creed Apollo Robbins the the
0:54:13thing that he does
0:54:14is he can get things out of your pocket
0:54:17which is amazing and he's even gone in
0:54:19like shown how he does this the
0:54:21misdirection that he does he's here will
0:54:23lightly brush this part of your body
0:54:25where you don't even notice that he's
0:54:27touched you there but now that's where
0:54:28you're paying attention without even
0:54:29realizing it
0:54:30he can lift your wallet out of your
0:54:33jacket inside pocket
0:54:36hold it against you while he kept apps
0:54:38on another area the wallet drops he
0:54:40catches it puts it behind his back and
0:54:42you see it and even though he explains
0:54:44how he does it it's still magic within
0:54:46the part that kills me when he goes okay
0:54:47now look in your wallet
0:54:49oh and then you're right what the fuck
0:54:50how is their house their twenty-dollar
0:54:52bill and a pen
0:54:53wow what was it it's the driver's
0:54:55license of your friend who was standing
0:54:58there laughing like how could it's one
0:54:59thing to say like okay like I put you
0:55:01know Matt Lauer's pen you know in your
0:55:03pocket and it's another thing that's
0:55:05like now there's something in this Wendy
0:55:07do that anyway I'm sure there's a trick
0:55:10my friend yeah i think there's a trick
0:55:12lot of magic tricks are actually tricks
0:55:14I've learned the sense it's did very
0:55:16disappointing my favorite Apollo Robbins
0:55:17one is that I'm sure you read this if
0:55:20you followed his career at all as i have
0:55:22him in 10
0:55:23Yeah Yeah right where he retakes the pan
0:55:25right smartass you know everybody wants
0:55:27to come to the big guy
0:55:28yeah yeah show me some demented
0:55:30president move and you and you know and
0:55:32pen is so unlikable
0:55:33yeah I can't think of a single person in
0:55:35the world who's a fan of pens you don't
0:55:37become an atheist because you like
0:55:38people
0:55:39well I'm pinjam the appointment I'll get
0:55:42myself one there
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0:57:41thank you i wish i had a bell oh I don't
0:57:43have already somebody's buying up a bit
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0:57:47whatsapp it bill oh yeah people like a
0:57:49hotel but look like a pitbull yellow and
0:57:51orange bell
0:57:52uh I did go from the game pit pit hou
0:57:55who is buying that and we're sorry let
0:57:57me go back
0:57:57um well I listener has said that they
0:57:59are are going out at great expense
0:58:01obtaining a nineteen seventies orange
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0:58:05what you have been fucking task who good
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0:58:21em John a fraction we're going where we
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0:58:302000 which everyone Giants its team
0:58:32effort i'm just honored to be here and
0:58:34really I want to just thank the Lord
0:58:35yeah you're just you're just playing for
0:58:36the team
0:58:37here I Penn Jillette a couple years ago
0:58:41decided that he was going to take on and
0:58:44i think i think that the teller and he
0:58:49probably don't like each other very much
0:58:51they are very they have they talked
0:58:53about this a lot they have a very
0:58:54professional relationship they have
0:58:56apparently turns out like zero contact
0:58:59that is not about the act
0:59:02yeah well and that was true also of
0:59:04Mythbusters write those two guys didn't
0:59:07is that right
0:59:08I didn't see eye-to-eye they seem very
0:59:10very different that the the guy who
0:59:12looks like the doobie brother he seems
0:59:14like he doesn't want to be there a lot
0:59:15of the time you don't think it looks
0:59:16like Jeff skunk baxter doesn't like Jeff
0:59:19skunk baxter he does you're absolutely
0:59:21right
0:59:21he seems like a really smart guy but he
0:59:23seems like he like everything like every
0:59:25time he is reluctant to have to be on TV
0:59:27show
0:59:28yeah i think that is as far as i know
0:59:30and i I'm not trying to reveal any trade
0:59:33secrets here who as far as i know he
0:59:36although was on a long-running
0:59:39television show that made him both
0:59:41famous and rich he was contemptuous of
0:59:45all entertainment so like at least not
0:59:50that that's a bad decision
0:59:52yeah like a libertarian mmm who says we
0:59:56made this or whatever like just let
0:59:59capitalism running
0:59:59capitalism running
1:00:00of course whose job whose business
1:00:02depends entirely on public roads which
1:00:06are paid for by taxes please John call
1:00:08um I i believe that be that Jeff skunk
1:00:11baxter in the in the Mythbusters parent
1:00:14would every single episode say a well
1:00:19why do we have to you know why do we
1:00:20have to dramatize this will just show
1:00:22the science and people that's what
1:00:23people tuned in for ya and it's like
1:00:25well where it's an hour-long TV episode
1:00:27or for half hour when he cut away to the
1:00:29b-team yeah cut away the b-team or like
1:00:33when something blows up act surprised
1:00:35yeah or what it's not you know you're
1:00:36not faking it is the thing is it is I've
1:00:39you know I've only ever seen I I like
1:00:41Adam a lot as a person he's 81 of the
1:00:44good people I've seen maybe five
1:00:46episodes of that show ever just cuz i
1:00:47cant it's not this show it's not even
1:00:50the people just can't tolerate the cable
1:00:51TV nosov it of the like you know the
1:00:54teasers and then it's just there's so
1:00:56much television metadata and like
1:00:59reminders and lower thirds and cutaways
1:01:02Andy story and it's like Jesus Christ
1:01:04there's like there's like four minutes
1:01:06of stuff here
1:01:07yeah well but that's the problem there
1:01:09is four minutes of stuff if you made a
1:01:11television show that long
1:01:12it's where you basically like a
1:01:14professional super professional youtube
1:01:15video that you've got to find a way to
1:01:17turn into like a whole TV show
1:01:18yeah but if you if you were making a
1:01:21half an hour long TV show or now I don't
1:01:23know how long those things are but if
1:01:24you were making that and it was all just
1:01:26science
1:01:27you would have to solve 15 mysteries per
1:01:30episode because it's like how you know
1:01:32does a bullet can a bullet go through an
1:01:35army helmet
1:01:36yes or no here's an army home there's a
1:01:39gun
1:01:39Wow answer yes the answer to everything
1:01:42is it depends
1:01:43yeah that's not a good TV and then that
1:01:46TV show called it depends
1:01:47that's not gonna be interesting it
1:01:49depends that's right like it the
1:01:51atmospheric conditions are right and
1:01:52your helmet possible for its actually
1:01:54rain inside it depends it depends what
1:01:57you call rain which call inside right
1:01:59next
1:02:00there was a that you know during the
1:02:02Black Hawk Down episode a lot of it was
1:02:06revealed that I think you can see this
1:02:07in the film that a lot of certain
1:02:09special forces people i think Delta
1:02:12Force
1:02:13I decided that helmets and this is
1:02:15probably true of a lot of Special Forces
1:02:17people they want to move fast they want
1:02:19to get in get out there and they don't
1:02:21want to wear one of those 10 pot helmets
1:02:24that like typical infantry are wearing
1:02:27and so what they did recognize that you
1:02:30need something to keep from bunking your
1:02:32head and so they were the Special Forces
1:02:35guys decided they were going to worse
1:02:36like skateboard helmets and if you watch
1:02:40in black hawk down the film which is a
1:02:44dramatization of the actual event and
1:02:47some some things are not as reported but
1:02:50the Delta Force guys are wearing
1:02:55skateboard helmets
1:02:58I can't believe they would be allowed to
1:02:59do that well you know that those these
1:03:01are the same guys that that grow they
1:03:03grow really long beards when they first
1:03:05went into Afghanistan before some
1:03:06general i'm not a military historian but
1:03:09I mean like a we've learned a lot about
1:03:11what we can do to prevent things like
1:03:13traumatic head stuff and second like
1:03:14dude you belong to the fucking military
1:03:17we tell you what to wear because we
1:03:18can't afford four you know what I mean
1:03:20like it'sit's hear eyewitness and
1:03:22operative well and like but you know GI
1:03:24right government issue like you you
1:03:26belong to the government you are our
1:03:27resource and you don't get to make
1:03:29decisions about stuff that might affect
1:03:30your safety or that of your unit because
1:03:33because you Dino other people are gonna
1:03:34die now we've got a fucking problem
1:03:35because you decided you want to go be a
1:03:37skateboard guy but i think within their
1:03:39own culture
1:03:40yeah they were there just their attitude
1:03:42was well if you make us wear ten pot
1:03:44helmet we're gonna take it off and throw
1:03:46it away the second we get out onto a
1:03:49mission of fashion thing it's also is
1:03:50hurting their ability to be agile though
1:03:53you can't hear in them you can't see out
1:03:55of them and also the helmet goes like
1:03:57quite can be quite heavy Clank there was
1:03:59an episode about 98 on 90% 99% invisible
1:04:02recently they talked about the problem
1:04:04of basically like you know should you
1:04:06were huh sures like you know you can
1:04:08take 32 decibels office sound I put
1:04:10these things in your ear but you lose
1:04:12the subtlety of hearing like somebody
1:04:14rustling around or somebody whispering
1:04:15it's a risk there they risk long-term
1:04:17hearing damage because it enables them
1:04:19to be able to hear smaller noises
1:04:21similar kind of thing right but so my so
1:04:24i think that the actually black cock
1:04:26down this is the interesting part of the
1:04:29story that they that inspired a redesign
1:04:33of the helmet for all of the Armed
1:04:35Forces turn me out closer to a
1:04:37skateboard helmet closer fitting you
1:04:41know with the ears more revealed so that
1:04:44you can hear better
1:04:45yeah a less clankety clankety is made of
1:04:48steel but there's a at as far as i
1:04:51understand this to be true there is one
1:04:52recorded example of a special forces
1:04:56person dying of a traumatic head injury
1:04:59one in the whole history of them wearing
1:05:02skateboard helmets
1:05:04wow so it seems like on the one hand
1:05:07that's too bad
1:05:09and that guy should have had a helmet on
1:05:11because maybe he'd be alive today but
1:05:13also they seem to know what they're
1:05:16doing and there they are saying to
1:05:19themselves one way to keep from getting
1:05:21shot in the head is to keep your head
1:05:22down like don't be a guy who's in a
1:05:24trench who's picking up over the top in
1:05:27your skateboard helmet if you're gonna
1:05:28do that
1:05:29go find another go find a different
1:05:30helmet over but Jenny if you're just
1:05:33running through some some situation in
1:05:37the middle of the night at the nobody's
1:05:39gonna shoot you in the head the chances
1:05:41of them scoring a headshot are pretty
1:05:44low and so we're gonna wear these other
1:05:46helmet and I admire that there was a
1:05:48there was a guy grow when I was growing
1:05:50up at Mount Alyeska who skied in a tank
1:05:56commanders helmet like a Russian you
1:06:00know the ones i'm talking about that
1:06:01they they are like it's not a helmet
1:06:05it's like it's like paths that go from
1:06:09your forehead to the back your head like
1:06:10five of them across the top of your head
1:06:12that looks like it doesn't look like any
1:06:14other kind of helmet maybe it looks like
1:06:16a bike helmet like an old-fashioned bike
1:06:18helmet just made a paths that's made out
1:06:20of leather dynomite my uncle have one of
1:06:22those yeah yeah
1:06:23and so there was a guy not always a
1:06:25little take a little Leatherhead cage a
1:06:27little head
1:06:28Leatherhead kids that's right which I
1:06:29always assumed was something some jurors
1:06:31a tank
1:06:32yeah let Leatherhead kids and Jason
1:06:35and he wore this has his ski hat right
1:06:39and and it was like uh it stood out but
1:06:43this is another question I have for you
1:06:46yes when I was a young preteen and teen
1:06:48ager the way people wore their ski hats
1:06:51at Mount Alyeska really mattered to me
1:06:55and stuck with me like everybody's
1:06:57wearing a hat huh
1:06:59because you're all on the mountain and
1:07:01there are a lot of ways to express your
1:07:03style on a ski mountain you know like do
1:07:05you have the latest sweater
1:07:08we are all watching for that stuff
1:07:10because it's very social
1:07:12skiing is very social sure so you're
1:07:14like oh those with this or this year's
1:07:16skis or those last year's keys or bull
1:07:19are those three years ago skis this but
1:07:22also you know Ski fashion changes very
1:07:25fast when i first started out everything
1:07:28was still wool and everything was role
1:07:31and red white and blue and then as time
1:07:33went on like by the nineties Ski fashion
1:07:35just looked like a stuff from in living
1:07:38color but I remember as a kid being very
1:07:44impressed with an interested in anyone
1:07:47who wore their ski hat in a jaunty way
1:07:50and i still can I can still can think of
1:07:5545 people some of them I knew some of
1:07:57them were just characters of the of the
1:07:59mountain
1:08:00who wore their hat it in a jaunty way
1:08:04and I'm just I thought about this quite
1:08:07a bit is that an actual was that because
1:08:11I was a teen and things like that we're
1:08:14making a very strong impression on me
1:08:16and I felt like the fact that this guys
1:08:19wearing his ski hats slightly askew is a
1:08:22bold move on his part and and is
1:08:27impressive
1:08:28I'm impressed by this and this is
1:08:30something i'm taking away so is that
1:08:31because i was a team is that because i
1:08:33had some latent interest in fashion that
1:08:38was that was different from other
1:08:40people's or a is it because it's
1:08:44genuinely it was genuinely impressive
1:08:46you know what I mean like the guy in the
1:08:48tank commanders had was that really like
1:08:51if I saw that today what I would I think
1:08:53cool what I think I'll i mean i think
1:08:56it's kind of both but I think part of it
1:08:58is that when somebody while wears
1:09:02something unusual or even weird i think
1:09:06part of it is the fact that the part
1:09:08that most of us dinguses mrs. like oh
1:09:10I'm going to put on a tank commander had
1:09:11look like that guy
1:09:12it's the confidence with which they pull
1:09:15it off that really tells I think this is
1:09:17the thing about fashion is and this is
1:09:19why there's so many missteps in trying
1:09:21to ape what other people do is you you
1:09:23try to like emulate the kind of dumb
1:09:28physical characteristics instead of
1:09:29trying to emulate the confidence and
1:09:31exuding of personality behind that John
1:09:36yeah but I think that's what sticks with
1:09:38you like me look at that guy how do you
1:09:40do that
1:09:40do you remember you remember Merlin Mann
1:09:43from the late to thousands who me
1:09:48the Merlin man whose hair was a was a
1:09:53character was a bigger-than-life
1:09:54character
1:09:55oh yeah I mean kind of yeah sure I
1:09:56remember him to remember this Merlin
1:09:57Mann family everywhere was working i
1:10:00like to think of him as the Merlin Mann
1:10:04of that photo site was that photo site
1:10:07that you like so much flicker flicker
1:10:09yeah and I had lots of hair problem you
1:10:11really were you really ran flickr I did
1:10:13I didn't have had a big hand in that
1:10:15thank you for having you ran the table
1:10:16over forget who and boy you're you're
1:10:19different hairs were very exciting to me
1:10:22every time I tuned in it was like that a
1:10:25lot of people try and do this
1:10:26will Wheaton is very big about is
1:10:28morning hair now it's one of his troops
1:10:30who don't follow wil wheaton from his
1:10:33work and his television personality is
1:10:35on names on Star Wars he was on Star
1:10:37Trek Star start back I always get those
1:10:41confused and it's the the newer
1:10:44generation
1:10:45yeah normal generation huh no I'm not
1:10:49missing this kind he likes cats he does
1:10:52i think also desire and his entire
1:10:53family is very handsome handsome family
1:10:55i mean i can probably had some no
1:10:57offense
1:10:58no it's all right i mean i don't have
1:11:00any dog in his race but but but your
1:11:05hair your pioneering hair explorations
1:11:08very very interesting and you you're not
1:11:10somebody who says like i'm gonna wear
1:11:12flamboyant shirt right Merlin man
1:11:14doesn't wear a flamboyant sharp Merlin
1:11:15man wears a pretty dependable shirts
1:11:17already probably a solid Pendleton or
1:11:20something you know that just says like
1:11:21I'm here I'm here I'm queer get used
1:11:24from but the hair yes you were bold bold
1:11:28bold choices because so kind of had a
1:11:30mind of its own i I never really i would
1:11:32have a hard time finding a haircut that
1:11:34I would like but I don't have a
1:11:35particularly distinguished record of
1:11:38deliberately doing something interesting
1:11:40mmm i sometimes stumble ass-backwards
1:11:42into something interesting interesting
1:11:43don't realize it for a while but I i
1:11:45just have such a fraud history of trying
1:11:47to do something cool and because i
1:11:49missed I mean not to keep quoting myself
1:11:51here but because I wasn't trying to
1:11:53emulate the physical characteristic or
1:11:55is the way I would put it like I was
1:11:56tracing a shadow on a sidewalk and I was
1:11:58trying to be somebody else like
1:11:59Hiroshima my absolutely ugly and
1:12:02reference
1:12:02Wow and brothers we happy few I and so
1:12:06that thing is to get you can't do that
1:12:07you gotta quit doing that unless you
1:12:09pull it off if you can pull it off
1:12:10that's great but like you know I really
1:12:12think that the thing I don't know I'm
1:12:14just repeating myself but that's but not
1:12:16wasn't trying to do a thing I said come
1:12:17here I saw a picture of a guy a few
1:12:20years ago
1:12:20yeah who was standing in front of a
1:12:22fashion show I don't know
1:12:24I you know I'm revealing a lot about
1:12:25myself that I am that I'm being exposed
1:12:28to photographs of guys standing outside
1:12:30of fashion show
1:12:31that's ok because it's a you know you
1:12:33have to pursue that that's not a thing
1:12:34you're just going to see right you're
1:12:36not going to open up a magazine John's
1:12:37countries changed a lot we're open to
1:12:38all kinds of points of view and fluidity
1:12:40it's it's ok if you've seen fashion
1:12:41photos
1:12:42thank you thank you thank by the way
1:12:43that September issue of Vogue is coming
1:12:45up just so you know I don't read those I
1:12:47don't read the I don't read the
1:12:48beginning you don't even have a TV
1:12:49because I can't stand magazines that
1:12:52have perfume in them find a magazine
1:12:54every once in a while somebody will uh
1:12:56or not somebody every once in awhile
1:12:59Vanity Fair will send some family fare
1:13:01at me intimated that sense of Vanity
1:13:04Fair at you
1:13:05yeah and I'm like don't do this yeah I
1:13:07don't want this you know like yes okay
1:13:10maybe there's a very interesting profile
1:13:12Ellen john f kennedy jr. in a Vanity
1:13:14Fair that I might actually want to read
1:13:15but do not send these to my mailbox on
1:13:17bidden because I open my box and for
1:13:21conflicting male perfumes the start
1:13:24pouring out and then I have an allergy
1:13:26attack and is no way to live
1:13:28I don't even carry an inhaler and I
1:13:30should have one just for an encounter
1:13:32with a random Vanity Fair terrible
1:13:34condition
1:13:35look but so I see this photograph of
1:13:37this guy standing out in front of a
1:13:39fashion show and he's wearing very old
1:13:42ripped you know like near ipped Levi's
1:13:45they're not just blown out at the
1:13:47neither like ripped all the way down
1:13:49like a carefully ripped settable sure
1:13:52Reagan who fancy rips but they're not
1:13:56fancy ripped on some pre ripped jeans
1:13:59they're vintage Levi's that have been
1:14:00fancy ripped and the way you fancy
1:14:03repair Levi's but a lot of people don't
1:14:05know this is you delicately run a razor
1:14:07just very delicate and then let entropy
1:14:10of the work that's right let you all
1:14:11you're doing is getting started
1:14:12you're just getting started with a
1:14:13little bit of a razor cut across the
1:14:15pants all the way down there you know
1:14:17and then then they fray very well so
1:14:20he's wearing these and then a
1:14:22double-breasted blue blazer with brass
1:14:24buttons and you know an open collared
1:14:28shirt and then his hair is really really
1:14:30slicked with a side part in a kind of
1:14:34let's just call it what it is
1:14:37brown shirt haircut Oh like a like a
1:14:40post Macklemore your pre Macklemore Mack
1:14:42all printing more pre Macklemore plus y
1:14:45plus 5 more a proposed by mar pre
1:14:47Macklemore ok and and i look at this and
1:14:51I'm like the element here the unexpected
1:14:54element is the double-breasted blazer
1:14:56which is like huh
1:15:01there's some there's some Flair
1:15:03happening with that double-breasted
1:15:04blazer that is not a thing that anybody
1:15:06expected who and so I the next
1:15:11opportunity got a double-breasted blazer
1:15:14with brass buttons blue hard to say a
1:15:17blue double-breasted blazer with brass
1:15:19buttons nice
1:15:20and i would put that blazer on in my
1:15:25house and I'd say here I go out the door
1:15:27in my blue double-breasted black
1:15:30brass-plated you know you can always get
1:15:35a couple of times I'll protools it and
1:15:36you'll be fine and I and I would get to
1:15:40the front door and I would be like huh
1:15:42yeah
1:15:44hmm what ways but you do them you
1:15:47deposit moment you die you think
1:15:49something wasn't quite right about it
1:15:50yeah I would stop and i would say it
1:15:52seems like on the face of it you're tall
1:15:54it seems like that would be a good look
1:15:56on you I think so too did you look like
1:15:58look out like a cereal mascot or
1:15:59something
1:15:59no I looked amazing yeah but I paused at
1:16:03the front door because it was not my
1:16:06invention
1:16:09o.k saw picture a guy and every once in
1:16:13a while you see a picture of somebody in
1:16:14here like that belongs to me that's not
1:16:16even yours you're wearing that but you
1:16:18don't even know what it is
1:16:19yeah you know you feel in your gut you
1:16:21not to think about it like you you know
1:16:23like oh that's my thing
1:16:24yeah yeah the first time well one time
1:16:27many many years ago Shawn Nelson and I
1:16:30were driving in the car and there and we
1:16:33were driving along i was driving and the
1:16:34light turned yellow the light turned
1:16:37yellow at and we were at a removed from
1:16:41that light sufficient that I could have
1:16:43applied the brakes and stopped should
1:16:45have probably if you want to be a
1:16:48stickler about the law but surveying the
1:16:51scene looking to the left and to the
1:16:54right I realized that there was no
1:16:56impediment to me continuing forward and
1:16:59I neither applied the brakes nor the
1:17:01accelerator but simply let the car move
1:17:04as it was moving
1:17:05he kept on keeping on I kept on keeping
1:17:07on and so went through the intersection
1:17:09as the light was changing to the stop
1:17:13let's say let's say I was in the
1:17:15intersection as it was still yellow but
1:17:17we continued moving through the red and
1:17:20Sean in a gesture where he was you know
1:17:24indicating a kind of like
1:17:28contempt even for my insouciance for my
1:17:33sort of like devil may care he raised
1:17:38his hands in the air and went out how
1:17:41like to shooting two pistols like a
1:17:43Bandido into the air but it was not in
1:17:47admiration he was doing it as a
1:17:50commentary like you know I guess the
1:17:53laws don't apply everywhere i'm a i'm a
1:17:56Bandido and I and I saw the gesture and
1:18:00I said that belongs to me now you you
1:18:03made that gesture in reference to me and
1:18:06it is not a gesture that you are using
1:18:08for yourself because it doesn't belong
1:18:10to you
1:18:11it belongs to me oh and i started to
1:18:14when i was about to do something
1:18:16reckless go out in the air with my
1:18:21fingers sounds like it sounds like a you
1:18:22bit
1:18:23that's right well it became a you better
1:18:26because it became a bit and now everyone
1:18:29I mean I do it all the time
1:18:30couple everyone i know associates it
1:18:33with me
1:18:33it's just a way of saying like okay well
1:18:36fucking school and sean has a long time
1:18:41ago I think saw me do it and commented
1:18:43like hey you got that for me you took
1:18:47that from me and sunshine probably said
1:18:49to you it's a it's called the not your
1:18:52friends show business
1:18:53well a little bit like what you really
1:18:55saw that one for him too yeah but we are
1:18:58you gonna do with that John you were
1:18:59never gonna use it again and it was when
1:19:01you were using it you were using it a
1:19:03like let's say against me and I
1:19:06repurposed it right it's my nigga right
1:19:09like I took it back
1:19:11Garrett I took those guns back all I get
1:19:13you taken back the night taking back the
1:19:14night to those jobs back and I made it
1:19:17up I made it a positive i spun it
1:19:19mm and and so there's a little bit of
1:19:23like I hope hope this is not a shed
1:19:25that's always listening to to learn
1:19:27english i was there so deep in in
1:19:30analogies and metaphors and at this
1:19:32point I'm so disoriented but your point
1:19:34is that sometimes it belongs better on
1:19:37somebody it's just that when it came to
1:19:38the blue block button button blazer you
1:19:41felt no no
1:19:41oh that's that guy's that's Hitler hair
1:19:43well i still can't so I have done this
1:19:46now several times i have I didn't get
1:19:47rid of the above the double-breasted
1:19:49blue blazer with brass buttons I and I
1:19:54put it on sometimes and I get as far as
1:19:56the threshold of my house and I stopped
1:19:59and I say this looks amazing on me
1:20:01there's no one else in Seattle that's
1:20:02that's doing this
1:20:04Commodore Schmidlapp miss ya business
1:20:07you know this is my this is my own Maj
1:20:11to caddy shack right or whatever it is
1:20:13looking like this guy was in New York
1:20:17City there's nobody nobody's gonna come
1:20:20at me and say wait a minute i mean now
1:20:23that I've revealed I've showed my hand
1:20:24on this program if anybody ever sees me
1:20:26in a double-breasted blue blazer with
1:20:28brass buttons they're gonna say I know
1:20:30that I know what you're doing but but i
1:20:34never was able to get outside in this
1:20:37thing and partly it's because I don't
1:20:39know when you sit down in a
1:20:41double-breasted blazer apparently you're
1:20:42supposed to leave it button and I and I
1:20:45can't do that and uncomfortable to leave
1:20:47the jacket buttoned when I sit down
1:20:48because i've been i've trained myself to
1:20:51unbutton the jacket boy sit down you do
1:20:52that thing that gentleman do where you
1:20:54are when you rise GG button button
1:20:57yeah but she's even unbutton your seated
1:20:59that's right i love that move
1:21:01it's a great move right man sometimes
1:21:03you know there's just this one section
1:21:04of 2001 that I'll just watch a lot it's
1:21:08that whole like you know in the middle
1:21:10of the don't know jack you call it but
1:21:12it's when working back its when
1:21:15what's-his-name
1:21:17hey good Marshall Floyd Floyd haywood
1:21:19when when when when he goes to the space
1:21:22station and it's just courtliness on a
1:21:24spaceship
1:21:25it's just sitting and having a drink
1:21:27it's doing a little phone call it's
1:21:28happening he goes and he has the meeting
1:21:30with the people he does that move he
1:21:32doesn't move very well as Heywood Floyd
1:21:33is that his name
1:21:34floodwood hey who wants a floor third
1:21:38floor leaflet hey wood floor i'm having
1:21:40a tough morning floor floor floor
1:21:42Heywood Floyd Heywood Floyd you were
1:21:44very close or even on it
1:21:47Heywood Floyd it's three it's very makes
1:21:49me it's one of those things when i watch
1:21:51that it's like watching James Coburn
1:21:53movie or something we like man I
1:21:55wouldn't mind being in the sixties
1:21:56mainland unbuttoned their their their
1:21:59jacket to sit down and they butted up
1:22:00against and you can still do it you can
1:22:02still do you don't worry that
1:22:03oh yeah I do it all the time but you
1:22:04can't do a double breasted well I just
1:22:06don't know i don't know that i used it i
1:22:08mean as much as I thought Letterman was
1:22:10a riot and when he started wearing the
1:22:12wrestling shoes with khaki pants and
1:22:13that was a funny thing but he's driving
1:22:15me nuts that he wouldn't button up his
1:22:17double yeah he was flapping around was
1:22:19so stupid
1:22:21it looked terrible he looked like he
1:22:23looked like a a manta ray fucking flappy
1:22:28wins it's like that time your geeky yeah
1:22:32well why not what you got to tie your
1:22:33get your fucking key
1:22:35well so anything about 2001 if you think
1:22:38about it it's a trick that's okay wit
1:22:41you think about 2001 a Space Odyssey
1:22:44right we think of it as expressing the
1:22:47sixties but really there was a there was
1:22:51a very brief moment where so much of
1:22:55what constituted the the sixties and i'm
1:22:57not talking about the hippie sixties but
1:22:58I'm talking about like that the tight
1:23:00the buttoned-up sixties the buzz aldrin
1:23:02sixties like Van Dyke sixties the Dick
1:23:04Van Dyke 60 so much of that was still
1:23:07reverberating or even absolutely reverb
1:23:10especially in the straight world you
1:23:12might grow your hair a little bit long
1:23:13but you still had a tailored suit
1:23:15absolutely and that carried into the
1:23:17seventies into our era when we were kids
1:23:19we were still we don't think you know
1:23:222001 doesn't seem like out like a thing
1:23:26of our era but in fact it was because
1:23:28something that happened five years ago
1:23:30now i know i know i know it's like funny
1:23:33something that happened in 2011
1:23:35everything I was in the Superchunk all
1:23:38morning and h times thing as so much
1:23:40super chuckles like every time a song
1:23:42came on and what this is 21 years old
1:23:43this is 21 years old 21 years old and
1:23:46and like to me like I would see
1:23:47distinctions within a given year about
1:23:50stuff you know when you're a little kid
1:23:51you like oh my gosh you want you
1:23:54it's like 85 like oh my god this rerun
1:23:56from the community to is so dated
1:23:57yeah right or this this this fashion
1:24:00from that from earlier in 1985
1:24:02Oh
1:24:03page you were so again this goes back to
1:24:06the beginning I guess it's kind of
1:24:07environmental awareness where you're so
1:24:09you can't help but be super aware of
1:24:11certain things i greet you know I I
1:24:13still watch that and that timeless isn't
1:24:15too strong of a word but I still think a
1:24:17bunch of the sequences in that stand up
1:24:19so well today one and so when we were
1:24:22seven years old what that movie was what
1:24:24is 70 years old
1:24:25is it came on 69 it still works
1:24:26instantly so is it yeah it was only six
1:24:28years old when I was seven years old
1:24:30we're at a point when I was getting into
1:24:32space and imagining what life in space
1:24:34was going to be like like it was
1:24:36essentially the the most recent idea and
1:24:40what space was going to be was very chic
1:24:43and anybody it would be analogous to
1:24:46taking like a business-class fight
1:24:48yeah very exactly exactly right you know
1:24:50everybody was was dressed very well
1:24:51there were many girls shoes gonna bring
1:24:54a juice box
1:24:55pan pan american airlines was that was
1:24:58the purveyor and it was at a really
1:25:01influenced us and it was only when Star
1:25:04Wars happened and the aesthetic of Star
1:25:07Wars was like actually a lot of a lot of
1:25:09the spaceships are going to be writing
1:25:11in our kind of a little bit greasy yeah
1:25:13the cash like yeah yeah um but but that
1:25:17was so that any way it feels like that
1:25:18was a very brief moment in time when
1:25:21when we were imagining colonizing space
1:25:24and it was going to be elegant and then
1:25:30it became it became an elegance all
1:25:33through the space state overall through
1:25:35the shuttle years it always felt to me
1:25:39kind of like yeah astronauts were were
1:25:41the people that were you know that did
1:25:43pretty well in biology right where they
1:25:47want this swashbuckling Navy pilots that
1:25:49they had been in the sixties although
1:25:50they i'm sure all the astronauts were
1:25:52Navy pilots until recent times but it
1:25:55was much more like oh yeah we're going
1:25:56to send a teacher in space it's going to
1:25:58be you know it's it's much it's it's
1:26:00it's not elegant it's very much like
1:26:03we're working here this is we're doing
1:26:07work now it's not we're not just a
1:26:11like bold explorers we are up here doing
1:26:15tasks
1:26:16yeah there's there's there's there's
1:26:17work to be done here this is not some
1:26:19flight of fancy know like hey hand me
1:26:21that wrench and the person like the
1:26:23astronaut throws the wrench in it it
1:26:26flies across the other person grabs the
1:26:27rent and were like we were in space but
1:26:30really we're just doing some work we're
1:26:32working on cars up there like we're
1:26:34throwing wrenches back and forth instead
1:26:36of martinis like if somebody sent me a
1:26:40martini and you flew a martini over how
1:26:42different is that
1:26:44yeah then a wrench right and now we're
1:26:47introducing these four pay like Elon
1:26:51Musk jets and you think yeah there
1:26:56there's going to be some fake elegance
1:26:57there it's gonna be like flying Virgin
1:26:59Airlines where there's there's some
1:27:01purple lighting but I still that's not I
1:27:05mean maybe we've just maybe we've lost
1:27:07the elegance of the sixties and that's
1:27:08what I'm complaining about
1:27:09uh-huh even even the elegance of the
1:27:12sixties as prognosticated into space
1:27:14flight into into SSTs don't you wish
1:27:19that you'd written in SST I wish I don't
1:27:25know what I wish upon a star
1:27:27well part of it is the technological
1:27:29idea of like but it really would be neat
1:27:30to be living in a time when we were
1:27:33looking beyond oh well nothing like we
1:27:36even like that carefully looking at the
1:27:38problems of our planet but we're looking
1:27:39looking much broader than that because
1:27:41to me like if you start thinking about
1:27:43your place in the rest of the universe
1:27:45you can't help but think more about
1:27:46where you live and I think that's
1:27:48something that gets lost sometimes is
1:27:49when people talk about moving sidewalks
1:27:51and jetpacks is like when we lost the
1:27:53ambition to think about what was in the
1:27:54rest of the universe and put a budget on
1:27:57yes sure there's still stuff here and
1:27:58there but you know the in our kids like
1:28:00is somebody gonna go to the moon again
1:28:01like I don't know it seems like they
1:28:03have to at some point but why are we
1:28:05working on that because when we look
1:28:07beyond our planet we have to naturally
1:28:09think more about our planet
1:28:11anybody who comes back from space and
1:28:12seen that view comes back with this
1:28:14singular feeling about about their home
1:28:16this this planet Earth this spaceship
1:28:19and that we are already on and I don't
1:28:21know I don't you know it's it's not
1:28:23difficult for me to wax rhapsodic about
1:28:24this
1:28:25but I think that's one problem sure
1:28:27there's a part of me wishes I could be
1:28:28you know i would float and go like fly
1:28:30around in a suit and like you know maybe
1:28:32you need a sandwich with the crew you
1:28:36know going to see the obelisk and all
1:28:38that but now you're part of it is and
1:28:40this is just the old you know our old
1:28:41point which is like there's just
1:28:42something that makes me a little bit sad
1:28:44inside that we've lost our disaster for
1:28:47exploration and not just macho
1:28:49exploration but just exploration for its
1:28:51own sake that helps us to understand
1:28:53just more about the world outside of our
1:28:56world and i think that makes our life on
1:28:59this planet somewhat diminished as long
1:29:01as we're not doing that and I'm like
1:29:03about it a lot but i do think about it
1:29:04I'm always astonished that that like
1:29:07strong advocacy for space exploration is
1:29:11a controversial topic because you and I
1:29:13share a feeling of like yes we should be
1:29:17exploring space what why are we even
1:29:18talking about this
1:29:19I'm embarrassed that we are doing such a
1:29:21poor job of it and have been for so long
1:29:23not just that we should but like what
1:29:25the fuck are we doing get the family is
1:29:28something we are made made to do that in
1:29:30it and once we got that ability it seems
1:29:32like the kind of thing where like to go
1:29:34and explore even near space responsibly
1:29:38it feels like our destiny yeah and I
1:29:40wonder whether like when the bike gangs
1:29:45came to New landia or whatever they call
1:29:49it New Forest idea who up there in in
1:29:54the in the canada then nobody from
1:30:00Europe came back to the Americas for
1:30:04another 500 years right the vikings made
1:30:06it over here they dug some pits they
1:30:09forged some some iron as a Viking will
1:30:13do and then either those Vikings died or
1:30:16they got back on the boat went home and
1:30:18then never made it back here like
1:30:20Vikings made it to north america and
1:30:23then did not come back and four five
1:30:27hundred more years there was there the
1:30:29there be dragons until until the Spanish
1:30:34and the Italians and the 40 days the
1:30:36Portuguese like to get this
1:30:38headed back out and said like let's just
1:30:42go see if we can get rich by raping
1:30:46people
1:30:46yeah but then they made it here and then
1:30:49once Magellan's sailed around the world
1:30:52it's not like it's not like there was
1:30:54another hundred years where people in
1:30:56Europe or like whoa whoa let's take it
1:30:58easy this isn't in our budget right
1:31:00somebody and what it was was somebody
1:31:02found gold and no one has found gold in
1:31:05outer space yet right
1:31:07and so you know we went up there we we
1:31:09put over like whatever like theirs
1:31:11theirs unobtainium there's something up
1:31:13there that we need for this purpose and
1:31:15the space race starts all over again
1:31:16that kind of motivation we put a dozen
1:31:18people on the moon
1:31:19you know and it was like okay good we
1:31:21can do it and I bet the Russians are
1:31:23scared but there was no you get to the
1:31:27moon it was like dust minds
1:31:29let's bring back some more dust and dust
1:31:33is worth a lot of money only because
1:31:34only 12 people have been here how many
1:31:36people but yeah something's gonna happen
1:31:38up there where somebody realizes oh I
1:31:42can collect fairy dust up here and use
1:31:45that very dust to something you know to
1:31:48build a cubic zirconium are you know
1:31:51like it's a it's a it's big it's a bang
1:31:56maybe there's some new you know some new
1:31:58drug up there one that does what it
1:32:01should one that doesn't make you feel to
1:32:04back one because i make you feel too
1:32:07good to go into a few stay for a minute
1:32:17there
1:32:18the alright