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0:00:20hello hi John
0:00:23mm-hmm hi Merlin how's it going good
0:00:28yeah yeah super sorry I'm late oh you
0:00:32know it happens
0:00:34yeah week well you know being literally
0:00:39Shepherd picture out about being late is
0:00:43yeah I would love to hear this
0:00:45yeah it's just you know it's time is a
0:00:49flat circle
0:00:50oh I see ya time time is a bubble is
0:00:56that what it is time I bubble always
0:00:58here at nine fifty-nine time he gets
0:01:02time then
0:01:04yeah tiny that's a lot of people see how
0:01:08you doing you doin time after time if
0:01:09you have to do stuff is just the usual
0:01:11no no I had stuff to do
0:01:13well where's yeah there was just a
0:01:15little bit of stuff is exciting episode
0:01:19this is episode 207 of the show 2007 27
0:01:24was my laundry number when I was in
0:01:26military school
0:01:27do you remember the mailbox number when
0:01:31you're in college I think so yeah
0:01:34oh my gosh you know you these certain
0:01:35three-digit numbers just float around i
0:01:36want to say actually you know what I've
0:01:38got the door from it right here I stole
0:01:39it when i left school
0:01:41hey yeah I stole the door off my up
0:01:45yeah it still has it still has a sticker
0:01:48that you saw it still gets a little old
0:01:50timey door with the window
0:01:51oh yeah still got the JR Bob sticker on
0:01:53it and i think it still has the Columbia
0:01:55House ticker for you tues war
0:01:57wow so what number was find out hang on
0:02:00to
0:02:03doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo
0:02:06doo-doo-doo-doo-doo food
0:02:09ok this is the lesson of this listeners
0:02:12is to steal the things that mean
0:02:14something to you anymore to me you know
0:02:16what I should have said because I was
0:02:17right 289 289 yep 289 also a great Ford
0:02:24engine is is that right yeah there's a
0:02:26for the 289 was a hot rod ford motor
0:02:30Oh rod to eat on the 289 it was the
0:02:33cubic inches John yeah it doesn't seem
0:02:35like a big motor compared to like 350
0:02:38for a 456 or a 456 but a 289 455 456
0:02:44whatever double-barrel heavy heavy ya
0:02:48comin ya ni want to bore your hammies
0:02:51you gotta help me and the Hemings mhm
0:02:54Hemmings is where you would sell a Hemi
0:02:56yeah you put some thrush on the
0:02:57transmission
0:02:58yeah give will put a little thrush put
0:03:00some armor all on the tires got to roll
0:03:03got it doesn't rush from looking
0:03:04railings are you a big balance Sebastian
0:03:06fan i remember when balanced Bastion
0:03:10took over the world if the first i would
0:03:13call them the first thuy isn't they
0:03:16aren't the first we call them more mokey
0:03:17when I think thuy I think of Cub or I
0:03:20think of you like maybe the raincoats a
0:03:23little bit boy covering the Redcoats
0:03:25room you know couples cup is everyone's
0:03:28your friend in New York City now I don't
0:03:31know why I would sing a cup song as John
0:03:33Flansburg didn't originally did that
0:03:36song it's virtually tuneless it's
0:03:37delightful
0:03:38well you know that's a that's a John
0:03:41Flansburg of the feature that's oh the
0:03:44in which part the tunas well no no no no
0:03:47but that's what that song is a big
0:03:49feature for him in there set I I can't
0:03:51imagine anybody else having written that
0:03:53song by him and alas it was not well
0:03:56that's a good note good a song it's a
0:03:58drunken a song
0:03:59yeah it's a good the ass of that song as
0:04:01good as a good asked song only go back
0:04:04in the stock balance best yeah don't
0:04:06Sebastian I got into them on there like
0:04:07second or third I think it got in on the
0:04:10on the green album
0:04:11yeah it wasn't a great one of the red
0:04:13one but I know love the gray one in the
0:04:15red one but that doesn't really seem
0:04:16like your kind of music I was you know I
0:04:22was let's let's say I was balancing
0:04:24Bastion adjacent oh sure
0:04:26and really what happens yeah yeah so I
0:04:30was I was you know I was feeling that I
0:04:33was feeling that their songs there's
0:04:35something they do a thing that i love
0:04:36you know me you know I love a mid-tempo
0:04:38power pop song do i do know that we're
0:04:41if you do it too much above it
0:04:43boat becomes not becomes like a cheap
0:04:44trick song well some future cases too
0:04:46but like one reason i love a good
0:04:48teenage fanclub song it's like a
0:04:49mid-tempo song that's exactly what I was
0:04:51about to say teenage fanclub yeah you
0:04:53take something like everything flows or
0:04:55using a good
0:04:56mid-tempo pop so if everything's flows
0:04:58were any faster it would not be my
0:05:00favorite song first favorite song the
0:05:01nineties now with on special needs of
0:05:03the different where they're like they've
0:05:05got this kind of like propulsive it's
0:05:07really it's like downbeat Arthur Lee's
0:05:09love in some ways but there for the
0:05:11they're like that some if you're feeling
0:05:13sinister it's basically alone again or
0:05:14you know
0:05:15wow you are dropping some pop music
0:05:18vocabulary guess you much got it i
0:05:21cannot keep up with it all you know you
0:05:23have mentioned 42 pop culture references
0:05:26and it all has just sound like made-up
0:05:29word yeah yeah the parking lot line that
0:05:33anything like church because the the but
0:05:37it was any faster to do it's got the
0:05:39other song again alone again
0:05:40why don't i don't know anything that
0:05:42you're saying local we're talking really
0:05:47just selling word salad yeah I'm sure
0:05:50that I'm sure that i was in some places
0:05:51where these musics were happening but i
0:05:53do not remember them by name heard the
0:05:55bad love
0:05:57I'm course ok when they do that they're
0:05:58famous song their famous song which I
0:06:01which I think the thing to the drunk
0:06:04dunk but you're right look like the song
0:06:06dump to dump your everything that song
0:06:09in reference to another song that I
0:06:11think it's that what this is it's like
0:06:13songs i don't know all the way I lilypad
0:06:15a little hard there
0:06:16yes yes okay never mind it's not
0:06:18important
0:06:20no we came out of the gate and you're
0:06:21like well music episode and I was like
0:06:24well it was like you were waving a dildo
0:06:27in my face and I was like again again
0:06:31again i can't pin this music episode
0:06:33it's only three minutes long and i'm
0:06:37already just like wow talk about upland
0:06:40they're funny and literate now see I'm
0:06:42gonna guess that that's a band Sean
0:06:44light that seems like a very Sean kind
0:06:47of band
0:06:47well the little Sebastian not overly
0:06:50love early to you the early two
0:06:52thousands there was a lot going on
0:06:55that it wasn't it wasn't over my head or
0:06:59above my pay grade it was just that I
0:07:03was there was a moment where I suddenly
0:07:07felt behind the curve and everything got
0:07:11way softer and prettier but the soft
0:07:17prettiness wasn't it didn't convey like
0:07:19either softness or prettiest it was like
0:07:22a prettiest it was aggressively quiet
0:07:24and aggressively soft and pretty i felt
0:07:27i didn't know where I didn't know where
0:07:29to go with that that's me and and and
0:07:31what they called post-rock I've never
0:07:33understood post-rock and I tried because
0:07:37I really felt like that was the Jazz of
0:07:40the late nineties post-rock was the Jazz
0:07:42of the late nineties it's yet post-rock
0:07:44is gonna make indie-rock look like
0:07:47college rock that ya know post-rock I
0:07:54didn't get I like I mean like I tried to
0:07:56tortoise I tried the the carb and
0:07:58whether it was the other band that but
0:08:00they're all those bands it was just a
0:08:02bunch of I don't know it's like a like
0:08:04vibes vibes and brush drums and like
0:08:07motor voices I mean you're describing
0:08:09American analog set except minus the the
0:08:12motor noises who American analog set
0:08:14from that actually the vibes player for
0:08:17American analog that plays the vibes on
0:08:20the long winters album for the long
0:08:23winter song Nora Nora bing-bong
0:08:27bing-bong bing-bong said vibes bond
0:08:31minds hard to play because you get the
0:08:33you get to mallets in each hand and
0:08:35you're playing octaves mostly right up
0:08:37no no I don't think you're playing
0:08:40different intervals yes now let's in
0:08:42each hand
0:08:42yes because there's it on hammers or
0:08:44malice where they call it uh i think
0:08:47they call them bombers hungers it would
0:08:50be at this woman was active i thought it
0:08:52was like a mac from superchunk kind of
0:08:54uh no I think you can do octaves but you
0:08:56can it's like playing the piano vibe is
0:08:58set up like a period between your
0:08:59fingers that must be so hard to do
0:09:01well it is hard to do this is the thing
0:09:05about being good at a musical instrument
0:09:07it's almost universally hard to do and
0:09:11no matter what 20 pick and you just pick
0:09:13one and go for you so why there's a
0:09:15woman here in Seattle an errand
0:09:17Jorgensen and she is a very small human
0:09:21right like she's small in stature and
0:09:24also small in in all dimensions little
0:09:27redheaded she's cool look at girls yeah
0:09:30and she has this is just very short hair
0:09:33and very tattoo very good tattoos and
0:09:34she plays the vibes spectacularly and
0:09:39she schleps her i'm saying a lot of
0:09:41words that are hard to say and it's
0:09:43early in the morning for me
0:09:45spectacularly sheesh LEP's her vibes
0:09:49which are a gigantic thing she slaps him
0:09:53all over town and she's one of those
0:09:55musicians that will play a show with
0:09:57somebody and then slipper vibes over and
0:09:59play another show and she had like must
0:10:02take such commitment it's it's but she's
0:10:05spectacular and she has marimbas which
0:10:08are vibes let me so I'm going to just
0:10:11throw this out there i don't i don't
0:10:12know what I'm actually saying but I
0:10:14think their Bibles made out of wood
0:10:16mhm marimba you get what you get
0:10:19glockenspiel you got the xylophone you
0:10:21get the marimba and you can you get the
0:10:24vibes the minimize the finals pipes I
0:10:26think Lou ending points of vibes have
0:10:31actually an electrical component which
0:10:32is something that is spinning underneath
0:10:36likely yeah you can turn on and off and
0:10:40it's it as the sound travels down the
0:10:43pipe this little spinning flap will make
0:10:47it go what will that Leslie speak
0:10:51exactly it's a lesson that ass
0:10:53it's a but it's an analog Leslie so that
0:10:55it's not going to look at all right foot
0:10:57pedal for that II yeah
0:10:59at one point in the nineteen eighties my
0:11:03dad who had always been a huge fan of
0:11:05Lionel Hampton uh huh dad decided that
0:11:09his new instrument was going to be
0:11:11divides
0:11:12now little bit about like quite a
0:11:16commitment a little bit of backstory he
0:11:18had no prior instrument who so he
0:11:22decided it was going to be his new
0:11:23instrument absent a former instrument
0:11:26and he was what 17 de 70 let's say 70
0:11:33and maybe 6 66 67 let's say that he's
0:11:40like I'm gonna get some vibes
0:11:42this was before he talked like this it
0:11:43was when he talked like this but it's
0:11:46and I'm gonna get some vibes I was like
0:11:48eyes much i'm not sure where we're going
0:11:52to put him dad and where he put them was
0:11:56in the TV watching room behind the TV
0:11:59watching couch I think imagining that he
0:12:03was going to play the vibes while
0:12:05watching the TV and so there's the face
0:12:10of it makes so much sense
0:12:11that's right there you can watching what
0:12:14your stories are looking at prices right
0:12:15that's right and just a little Hampton
0:12:17he only watch TV at night so there were
0:12:19no stories there was no price of right
0:12:21it was always you can watch magnum I I
0:12:25don't think you watch magnum but he did
0:12:26he did was watch he liked to watch war
0:12:31movies right he liked you like to watch
0:12:33old classic movies so all of a sudden
0:12:38behind the couch appeared this enormous
0:12:40shiny set of viber phones which he never
0:12:48again touched the treadmill he touched
0:12:51them to bring them in the house huh
0:12:53never touch them again so of course i
0:12:56would sit there and play the vibes
0:12:59Wow to everyone's a massive annoyance
0:13:05and I would sit and you know like I have
0:13:08like I've always done with every
0:13:09instrument i refused any instruction or
0:13:13any information about them and just sat
0:13:16at them and made my own clink clink boom
0:13:20boom well because they're because it had
0:13:22this electricity and they were you know
0:13:24they were fairly loud around
0:13:26think about that one moment can get out
0:13:28oh well boo boo and so I would play
0:13:32these things i never got the two mallets
0:13:34per hand business at all i just i just
0:13:37had one mallapur hand and but i would do
0:13:40the I would do the rapid like doing
0:13:42really kind of stuff with the
0:13:46fast-moving balance and boy did I have a
0:13:48time I had as much i had so much of a
0:13:51time that then briefly this was the best
0:13:56the best part of this and I had
0:13:57completely forgotten until now my dad
0:14:00said you know what i should do since I
0:14:02never play the vibes but you're getting
0:14:04pretty good at it
0:14:06I've always been intrigued by the steel
0:14:08drum and there was brief moment where he
0:14:14was me like the thing that the guys play
0:14:16like a beach bar
0:14:18yeah that's right the tunes the like
0:14:20it's like a 55-gallon drum that's been
0:14:22tuned
0:14:22it's been tuned hammered that face has
0:14:24been hammered in such a way that it can
0:14:26play multiple notes and must be quite a
0:14:30conversation
0:14:31well the thing is there was there was
0:14:33briefly a moment where I was super
0:14:35excited that i was going to get a set of
0:14:38steel drums behind the couch because
0:14:40short of the bagpipes
0:14:43there's only one instrument I mean that
0:14:46is the instrument that if you don't know
0:14:47how to play it
0:14:48you cannot imagine how and look at their
0:14:50I put violin up there
0:14:52oh yeah I mean maybe maybe French horn
0:14:55there certainly are now you don't want
0:14:56to listen to something certain
0:14:57instrument you don't want to listen to
0:14:59somebody learn to play no more years the
0:15:02more here mentioned that I think that
0:15:03also is true of every instrument
0:15:05ok that's number two that's good right
0:15:07but so oh my god the the potential of
0:15:10the bombs because ladies right i mean
0:15:13there was a lot of a lot of reggae music
0:15:16reggae music man i love kokomo that's
0:15:19right Joseph RI and so ready music was
0:15:23happening in a big way regular rock
0:15:25music reggae rock music Richard average
0:15:28rock reggae roots rock reggae and the
0:15:30idea that maybe I could find it
0:15:34give you and your father have a rake you
0:15:36know like I was not get into that scene
0:15:38through the back door by being the one
0:15:40guy that could put one white guy sharing
0:15:42the John around always hated me look do
0:15:48so yeah some roto toms me but then he
0:15:53abandoned the steel drums idea and then
0:15:56it was never spoken of again and i think
0:15:59it was i think he abandoned it because
0:16:00you couldn't find steel drums in Alaska
0:16:03without considerable work more work than
0:16:05he was prepared to do and then one day
0:16:08gave the vibes I think to my niece or
0:16:12sometimes just disappeared one day and
0:16:15that's no small feat because they you
0:16:17know they weighed as much as a honda
0:16:19civic but uh yeah the that when we have
0:16:23a long history and I think dad realized
0:16:25at that point that what he needed to do
0:16:27with it to satisfy to scratch that edge
0:16:29what he needed to do was just listen to
0:16:32Lionel Hampton tapes which wouldn't like
0:16:35things like what I think like modern
0:16:37jazz quartet modern jazz quartet just so
0:16:40so gorgeous also modern jazz quartet was
0:16:42one of my favorite indie rock bands of
0:16:45the late nineties that's right they
0:16:46didn't realize then Christmas too late i
0:16:48like the brownout and changing its
0:16:49chicken bones intervention
0:16:51not as much as the grey album what sort
0:16:53of a right yeah sort of like Jimmy's
0:16:56Chicken Shack was the was the like
0:16:59Alabama version of oh yeah right like
0:17:03Martin's first wheel which was hard with
0:17:07first wheel on you probably know them i
0:17:09had their EP yeah i know is it is a
0:17:12pretty right onto a shirt i never knew
0:17:13Martin no thank you i knew his first
0:17:15wheel pretty no I think Martin that was
0:17:17never actually in the band I mean that's
0:17:19one of those funny things it's like an
0:17:20atomic dustbin always your next
0:17:22destination in the band was was next
0:17:25atomic dustbin and an emo band and
0:17:27here's everything I know about Ned
0:17:29atomic dustbin numbered ready go
0:17:31okay number two I would always turn it
0:17:33off when they came on a hundred twenty
0:17:35minutes
0:17:35number one I remember dave kendall
0:17:37saying names atomic testing and that
0:17:40would be my single move number two in
0:17:41turn off that works forward fast forward
0:17:43fast forward a non-uniform in order
0:17:46when our dorm in our house the three of
0:17:47us would wake every Sunday know every
0:17:49monday i guess after got back from class
0:17:51we watch hundred twenty minutes which we
0:17:52take the night before and there were
0:17:55rules now a man who is Nigel dormer
0:17:58Nigel dormer invented the window qua
0:18:02niger dormer did Sherlock natural dormer
0:18:05don't have my own Idol door the one from
0:18:07Cambridge Nigel dormer invented the
0:18:09dormer that's why it's called the door
0:18:11that's right and John cropper invented
0:18:13da floor and so Michael and and I would
0:18:18we get home from classes on Monday we
0:18:20get back to our house and 120 minutes
0:18:21but the rules this is not nam this is
0:18:23this is bowling there are rules
0:18:25what are the rules of 120 minutes are
0:18:28there are certain things you can and
0:18:30must fast forward over and other things
0:18:32you don't cuz part of this 100 you taped
0:18:35it on VHS
0:18:35it's the only way to fly ice you can
0:18:38never go back this is this is 1989 and
0:18:42it was a show pretty good
0:18:45oh yeah I was good then it would mean
0:18:46the light it didn't hurt that there was
0:18:48just so much good music there is great
0:18:50news because when you said that we're
0:18:51talking about like the quiet man i'm
0:18:52just thinking about is in my head this
0:18:54is a slight derail but I'm thinking in
0:18:56my head I wonder if it was just the late
0:18:58eighties and the late nineties there was
0:19:00I felt there was such an explosion of
0:19:02music felt like it was for me
0:19:04so you're saying it might have something
0:19:05to do with the lates could be the late
0:19:07but could also be just like what I'm
0:19:09ready for what I'm into
0:19:10what's available oh wait a minute let's
0:19:12walk let's trace this for a second late
0:19:14sixties you know seventies awesome
0:19:17wait a minute it's the late oh this is
0:19:19your time to put it out put away the
0:19:21record no you should put out your next
0:19:23record that's okay
0:19:25and I think in 2018 that's when you drop
0:19:29the bangor so you put out something in
0:19:31in this in the 16 that's like it kind of
0:19:35procedures your means lying EP this is
0:19:38where you like put out the EP that gets
0:19:39people excited it was officially oh so
0:19:41much
0:19:42ok and what was the EP that my bloody
0:19:45valentine put out before four lovely for
0:19:48the good one Billy head is anything was
0:19:50one thing is anything i think was the
0:19:52record before that oh no the one with
0:19:53tom is it not when you sleep but they
0:19:55have the one glider i'm edmund glider
0:19:59the lighter EP mmm i mean is anything is
0:20:02still like you can just listen is
0:20:03anything go holy shit like this holy
0:20:05this is head and shoulders above most i
0:20:09mean i like i like a fair amount of
0:20:11shoegaze but like I mean obviously
0:20:12levels is on a different level
0:20:14sure totally different level hmph that's
0:20:16what--that's 91
0:20:18yeah well yeah okay i might not have a
0:20:21point here but i was gonna say was we
0:20:23watching 20 minutes I don't know why I'm
0:20:24telling you this right 27 is my laundry
0:20:26number Hartley's quickly do seven is
0:20:33something now I don't want to derail
0:20:35this
0:20:35no shit i'm looking back to my note
0:20:37cards here into that 207 so the area
0:20:42code of seattle is 206 huh
0:20:44the last week's episode and 207 is a
0:20:49number area code that periodically comes
0:20:51up on my phone when somebody is phone
0:20:53spamming no interesting i could not tell
0:20:56you what that area code is it's just
0:20:58close enough to 206 as you can imagine
0:21:01with one away main but its main and I'm
0:21:05periodically fooled
0:21:06oh yeah to at least two almost answer
0:21:11you know you know it's you know it's
0:21:13spam
0:21:14you know that as soon as i said as soon
0:21:16as I realize what it is I'm like ah good
0:21:18my daughter Noelle though that's right i
0:21:20pick it up and I'm like did my daughter
0:21:22go to me and she had a well to follow
0:21:25you Lassie wrote what what the coffee's
0:21:29done brewing 207 so the rule was you
0:21:34could skip past you could we usually
0:21:36watch the beginning because they say
0:21:38like the guests are going to be and
0:21:39stuff like that
0:21:40I thought that the hundred twenty
0:21:41minutes had the had the kid with the the
0:21:44mullet that's about his name was like
0:21:45Frankie or something or we first had
0:21:47Kevin seals then you had David Kendall
0:21:51and it later yet Matt pin field i want
0:21:53to say that i ever tell you that I was
0:21:55in a play with Kevin Steele I said Kevin
0:21:58sealing the idea to torch song trilogy
0:21:59em what place were you in
0:22:02I don't remember it was a play some play
0:22:05some alternative nation play back in the
0:22:08day where there was like some fire
0:22:09breathing and
0:22:10there's a funicular in the play my
0:22:14goodness it was a musical and I played
0:22:17the harmonica at one point I think I
0:22:20might have been i did quite a few plays
0:22:22in the nineties where i was i was kind
0:22:25of the guy in Seattle that you would
0:22:26stunt cast how nice
0:22:28like all the guy from the long were no I
0:22:30wasn't in the long winters then the guy
0:22:31from you know is I was just a hanger-on
0:22:33and they would put me and put me in
0:22:36roles where I kind of would walk on play
0:22:38a character named tiny yeah i was at one
0:22:41point I was cool hand luke
0:22:43oh man early yeah where you why it's
0:22:46like here comes cool handling with a
0:22:47special lucker your dragline I was you
0:22:51lose the guy who hate 850 eggs I was the
0:22:54guy that could that well yeah you can't
0:22:56know a mechanic 50 eggs but I came out
0:22:59and was cool and looking for a while but
0:23:00in this in this play I play the
0:23:03harmonica and my maybe sing a song about
0:23:06a funicular particular niculae funicula
0:23:11that's funny 23 people
0:23:13ah feels cozy was in seattle at the time
0:23:18doing some Romans who are here go to
0:23:20their house
0:23:21mm no conjugate that oh so ridiculous
0:23:26finicky loss finicky latest manipulator
0:23:29NICU LA so don't know us
0:23:34don't do it i'm lost Kevin seal was in
0:23:38the play and Kevin Steele we've talked
0:23:40about him before him we I think we did
0:23:42Kevin Steele was such a hero to me
0:23:45really he was perpetually stony he was
0:23:47very stony his his his sense of humor
0:23:51was so great he was the first person
0:23:54that appeared on television that I was
0:23:57like oh my god that guy would be my
0:23:59friend
0:24:00oh my god i just special Hodgson like he
0:24:02comes along you're like who is this guy
0:24:04there's no be on TV like this person
0:24:06isn't and I was so thrilled by him if he
0:24:09was on TV I would drop everything and
0:24:11just watching because he was such a he
0:24:14just seemed like such a such a friend
0:24:17and I never had that experience before
0:24:19that and i had had never had that
0:24:21experience since then and I didn't want
0:24:24him to do anything else right I didn't
0:24:26want him to go into film I didn't want
0:24:28him to I just wanted him to stay on MTV
0:24:31and continue to play where the kids in
0:24:34America and have funny things to say
0:24:36about it
0:24:37i I didn't want him to to idea i never i
0:24:41think I never wanted anything about that
0:24:43moment to change except i wanted to stop
0:24:45looking like an uncooked scallop is
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0:27:12other than that it was perfect and then
0:27:15so I'm in his play with them and what
0:27:19he's like two years older than me he's
0:27:21he wasn't that all that's sickening and
0:27:24he's like he had a wife and kids he
0:27:26moved to seattle he's still super nice
0:27:29he's exactly like he's exactly in person
0:27:32like you was on TV that's so nice to
0:27:34hear ya but he wasn't on TV you know now
0:27:38a lot of those people that were on TV in
0:27:39the nineties they continue to have
0:27:42careers is like comedians or people you
0:27:45know what I mean like Michael Ian Black
0:27:47was on TV in the nineties but now he
0:27:51continues to just sort of be a his
0:27:54character in the world
0:27:55yeah right and kevin steele didn't I
0:27:59don't think make that transition he's
0:28:00like so he's a stay-at-home dad stayed
0:28:03home today I'm ready right now in the
0:28:04wikipedia a yeah he was there with his
0:28:06wife he does voiceover work as a
0:28:07stay-at-home dad to his son can you
0:28:09imagine isn't nice
0:28:11I mean you're almost a stay-at-home dad
0:28:12well I don't really work generally I
0:28:15think you're nine one-hundredths and the
0:28:18Florida and add all the you know you
0:28:22deep and the rule was that it was a song
0:28:26we had not heard even if it was
0:28:28something that we were not into even if
0:28:30it was negative Macduff spin you had to
0:28:32listen you had this day and with its
0:28:35regular I got they have it
0:28:36you have to listen through through the
0:28:39first chorus so you basically to listen
0:28:41to a verse or two and the chorus and
0:28:42then bye-bye consent the three of us
0:28:45will vote on whether to listen to the
0:28:46rest of the song and it's almost always
0:28:47like to skip it
0:28:49I that was was this yet the era of the
0:28:52super long intro or did that come in the
0:28:55early night that feels a little more
0:28:56like a nineties thing this is this is to
0:28:58me the heyday of MTV this is when I mean
0:29:01I don't know this day I mean obviously
0:29:03there's the like totally just a
0:29:05coincidence that you were 19
0:29:07well that the one MTV's came along it
0:29:09was you it was for hobbyists you had to
0:29:12really sit there and wait for video you
0:29:14like to come on cuz they have like 200
0:29:15videos period
0:29:16yeah and you know they all seem to be
0:29:19the motels only the lonely
0:29:20well I ran you know they were the same
0:29:23videos you see overall Oliver's army the
0:29:25same videos you see over and over and
0:29:27over what was the band from New Zealand
0:29:28that was fronted by the brother of the
0:29:31young kid that ended up being the
0:29:33crowded house guy a split it split ends
0:29:37I would wait for hours for every day
0:29:40there's no weird
0:29:41yeah that that they were one of the ones
0:29:43that were they were not in heavy
0:29:45rotation
0:29:45yeah yeah but buoyed by the time of
0:29:47split ends video would come along I will
0:29:49yeah i would have seen Iran like six
0:29:50times
0:29:51yeah but you would see so like split sec
0:29:52I got you you see six months in a leaky
0:29:54boat i cannot you two don't go don't but
0:29:58don't but don't but I their own the
0:30:00painting in the background i love the
0:30:02video 29 MTV was absolutely a thing a by
0:30:0685 MTV of the thing
0:30:08oh but they were still showing videos
0:30:10they had good like shows about music
0:30:12videos they had headbangers ball they
0:30:14had no that's the one with Ricky Frankie
0:30:17Ricky Jay Riecke savage not Ricky van on
0:30:20Ricky J he's the one making lights click
0:30:23with these cards gonna go take care of
0:30:25these guards your card is a Jaguar key
0:30:30rocket Rikki Rockett that's it was that
0:30:32right my god i'm guessing and then you
0:30:34also have but you also had my favorite
0:30:37young TV wraps which Islam amazing so
0:30:40I'm gonna call 999 the banner year for
0:30:42MTV although I have to say fab 5 freddy
0:30:47did not have a lot of telegenic
0:30:50no he didn't yeah that's he's a
0:30:53legendary character of fab 5 freddy what
0:30:56we see the fab 5 freddy up blondie song
0:30:59no that's bad press where customers also
0:31:01there's another then it was hosted by a
0:31:03bad lover and dr. Dre except it's a
0:31:05different doctor Dre Dr Dre Dre but the
0:31:08thing is I think there are a lot of dr.
0:31:10dre's doctor because because dr.
0:31:12straight thank you
0:31:13because Dre is short for greatness
0:31:16that's not true and that's a very very
0:31:21popular in a everything American
0:31:23community a lot of a lot of them when
0:31:25they came to Ellis Island the changes
0:31:26they don't sound Jewish you know to the
0:31:27king of the Dreyfus wits it's not
0:31:29driving anymore straightness so that's
0:31:32what dr. dre sure
0:31:33ok and a lot of people you know we're
0:31:36like I'm I'm not a doctor of the rocker
0:31:38further i'm not a real doctor but I am a
0:31:40real dre exactly so dr. dre's popular
0:31:43but how are you going to have a second
0:31:45fab 5 freddy no way there's no way
0:31:49somebody else could be like I'm also fat
0:31:51by pretty see no magnetic field was
0:31:54doing it I think in the nineties when i
0:31:56was still taping it when i moved to
0:31:57Tallahassee I always liked how
0:32:00interested he seemed in the music but he
0:32:03didn't have the kind of like glitzy
0:32:05showbiz feeling like they can't restrain
0:32:07me a little bit crazy there's a tumblr
0:32:08that's just just what dave kendall was
0:32:10wearing on a hundred twenty minutes
0:32:12tremendous and i also want to share
0:32:15something that I don't know if I talked
0:32:17about much but reminds me of your vibe
0:32:20story em some reason i think in 1980 my
0:32:25mom who had taking piano lessons as a
0:32:27kid she could still like you know she'd
0:32:29sit down to play some piano she's not
0:32:30all I'd like to get one of those you
0:32:32know or organ like a series organ ya
0:32:34yeah would ya yeah and so much gee I
0:32:39don't know if she bought it or was
0:32:40gifted it but she had that was a very
0:32:42cheap serious issue organ at our house
0:32:45had the two keyboards and it had the
0:32:48drums and had a Foxtrot got a little
0:32:50button keyboard that played this is the
0:32:53key
0:32:53this is the key is it had the buttons so
0:32:56we got this and she's actually played
0:32:57very much but it came with an organ
0:32:59electric organ with a bench in the bench
0:33:01had some
0:33:03books and books and books in it in it
0:33:05including like it's basically she didn't
0:33:08do it much but I had absolutely nothing
0:33:10to do to fill my time this in the hall
0:33:12and oates sarah and i would just sit
0:33:13down and try to play songs from the
0:33:16fiddler on the roof book but it's also i
0:33:18would write little songs using the
0:33:20buttons because you need to know how to
0:33:21play an E minor use need to know what
0:33:23button hit and I learned stuff like GE
0:33:25minor CD i love ya GA minor like that's
0:33:29but this is 23 years before had a guitar
0:33:32that's when I don't never i never really
0:33:34think about this but we had a book of
0:33:36like spiritual a reader's digest
0:33:37religious music book we had like a you
0:33:41know American classic songs and I would
0:33:43just sit and that play terribly on this
0:33:47organ and then turn the turn the
0:33:49rock-and-roll beat up really fast that's
0:33:51our kind of punk rock so it turns out
0:33:53that's that's basically how i learned
0:33:55I've been through accordion lessons I
0:33:56think the trombone lessons I've been
0:33:58through so many different things
0:33:59meridian lesson oh yeah oh that's right
0:34:02you're from Ohio that's right that's
0:34:03right none of it stuck I hated it all
0:34:05it wasn't until I was on my own with the
0:34:07organ that I would sit there and and
0:34:10beat out some some little tense
0:34:12mhm we have the same organ and my mom
0:34:15bought it for the same reason he turned
0:34:17it on it sounded like when ya examining
0:34:20the fan wound up
0:34:22yeah but uh my game on it was every once
0:34:27in awhile and and not and not
0:34:28infrequently i would go in turn the
0:34:31organ on the fan would come up i would
0:34:33turn on the marimba beat but but
0:34:38whatever some you know i would i would
0:34:40set the tempo mid-tempo because that's
0:34:42the greatest greatest tempo yes and then
0:34:44i would start at the top of the of the
0:34:47button series and I would play i would i
0:34:53would just go down the row i would play
0:34:56each I would push each button for like
0:34:5916 bars while on the piano
0:35:03I would play some like little two or
0:35:08three note melody
0:35:09uh-huh and then I would change to the
0:35:12next button
0:35:13and do the same thing and I would go all
0:35:16the way through three rows of buttons
0:35:19with each each row had 18 was looking to
0:35:24see what fit
0:35:26no I was just playing a song well that
0:35:28was every chord and playing this little
0:35:32sort of and the melody would change
0:35:34depending on what court i went to and
0:35:37and it was it would change just by one
0:35:39note generally because you would hear
0:35:41like oh that note doesn't fit anymore
0:35:43now I have to play that note play this
0:35:45little thing and it had playing the
0:35:47entire song probably took 15 minutes
0:35:49because i had to make it you know i did
0:35:52I gave every poor girl it's almost like
0:35:54like like exercise like running a
0:35:55circuit
0:35:56yeah right every court I would give i
0:35:58would give 16 bars and I would just find
0:36:01in the in the little three year you know
0:36:03three notes boo did too did titude I
0:36:07would find the little melody
0:36:10Wow and just will work my way all the
0:36:12way through and my sister would hear me
0:36:14doing it and come in and dance and this
0:36:18was like a thing and then i would get to
0:36:19the end and I would turn off the organ
0:36:22and I would be done
0:36:24sometimes if Susan was really dancing
0:36:26and I was really having a jam in time I
0:36:28would start over at the top again and i
0:36:30would work my way back through the
0:36:32buttons
0:36:33isn't that amazing yeah and it was I
0:36:35don't know what I was learning i was
0:36:36just learning some kind of like here's
0:36:38how little melodies change when you move
0:36:40from
0:36:41I'm not even sure I understood i
0:36:42understood what was happening that but
0:36:45that was between was part of the fun
0:36:46there's nothing about it what extent was
0:36:48actually in pic embarrassing what I was
0:36:49doing was not anything that I would ever
0:36:51do in front of people because it was so
0:36:54dorky but I mean you know I don't again
0:36:57this is one of those like this should be
0:36:58in my bio pic but like that's one of
0:37:00those stories were like yeah you know
0:37:02that actually was the probably the
0:37:03single biggest thing that got me to
0:37:05figure out enough about music to fumble
0:37:06my way around em like 10 because here's
0:37:09the problem i mean we talk so much in
0:37:10the past about like learning guitar how
0:37:12you and I both like never got that good
0:37:14at guitar or but like but eventually you
0:37:17power through it to where you know the
0:37:19patterns
0:37:19yeah to where you know these like you
0:37:22know the 1454 wherever you go
0:37:24eventually the bar chords but you don't
0:37:26figure that eventually
0:37:27the first you just have to learn all
0:37:28these open chords and then figure out
0:37:29how they fit together
0:37:30yeah and the thing is I'm not putting
0:37:32this well but your your body and your
0:37:35brain are not able to process the music
0:37:38part of it you're thinking about the
0:37:39mechanics of moving your hands around
0:37:41and trying to like fret properly and
0:37:42keep in tune and all that kind of stuff
0:37:44but with the organ with the buttons i
0:37:46could just figure out like like pure
0:37:48chord changes you know I was make these
0:37:50really fruity like psychedelic and blues
0:37:53guys sunshine kind of like you know
0:37:55chord changes and it delights me but it
0:37:57was so dark I would never do that in
0:37:58front of somebody
0:37:59well that's one of the things about
0:38:00having a sibling is that your siblings
0:38:03close enough to you that you cannot
0:38:06excuse me you cannot avoid doing dorky
0:38:10throwing things in it right and so like
0:38:13the idea that I would and I mean I'm
0:38:15sure they're there arrived at a time
0:38:18when I would do my my little organ jam
0:38:23and my sister would come into dance and
0:38:25I was like get out of here i'm doing my
0:38:27own Jam i'm not even sure that ever
0:38:30happened I feel like that's one that's
0:38:32one thing we're that's nice that's a
0:38:34nice tits and I story in a nice image
0:38:36yeah it's a little bit of a thing that
0:38:37you and your sisters share that no one
0:38:39could be embarrassed by because it's
0:38:41never occurred to you that that this
0:38:43happens outside that this is happening
0:38:45outside of your small world right but uh
0:38:49but yeah the the guitar still is a
0:38:53mystery to me the way all the music
0:38:57overlaps itself and interacts with
0:38:59itself and i still routinely discover
0:39:03something room like oh whoa wait a
0:39:05minute that thing is that thing I like
0:39:09it'sit's still like occurring to you
0:39:11it still happens all the time where i'll
0:39:13be out i will have been playing
0:39:15something for years and i'll i'll stop
0:39:19doing it for a second and try and figure
0:39:23out what it is this thing that I've been
0:39:26doing for years
0:39:27looks like you've been doing it in your
0:39:28in your hands
0:39:30yeah but you haven't really like like
0:39:32logically processed it like I put it on
0:39:34a grid or something yeah it's it not
0:39:35only in my hands it's in my songs
0:39:37it's on my album
0:39:38like for a long time I couldn't have
0:39:42told you what the actual chords to the
0:39:46song stupid were from if you'd asked me
0:39:49I would be like I don't know just like
0:39:52it sounds like he commands I mean that
0:39:54sounds silly but like when i try to
0:39:55explain something how to do something
0:39:56that I've done on the computer I i have
0:39:58to change a completely different mode of
0:40:00thinking because I'm so used to just
0:40:01doing this thing with my fingers I've
0:40:03never verbalized anything about what I'm
0:40:04doing and I sound like a complete idiot
0:40:06yeah yeah yeah me too like I don't wanna
0:40:08play it
0:40:09I mean I don't want to tell you how to
0:40:11do it somebody asked me on the internet
0:40:12the other day I was they were like how
0:40:14do you like what's the strum pattern to
0:40:18your song it'll be a breeze and I was
0:40:21like daughter put the pic in your hand
0:40:25and drum before its erratic it's one of
0:40:27your erratic sounding songs
0:40:29well so I so so my my initial response
0:40:33to him was like yeah put a pic in your
0:40:35an instrument i don't know what would
0:40:36listen to it and strum it like it sounds
0:40:38and he wrote back was like okay thanks
0:40:42and I kind of walked around for a couple
0:40:44days kind of feeling bad like tonight
0:40:46that was was I mean I mean I don't
0:40:49understand even the question so I
0:40:50listened to the song and I was like oh I
0:40:55guess I see you know I guess I see what
0:40:58you're saying it's you know it's
0:41:01[Music]
0:41:09I don't know the course
0:41:13[Music]
0:41:16and so I started to play it feels
0:41:20natural I'm seeing counting it out it's
0:41:21it's a little weird and so so idea you
0:41:25know I don't know who this person was
0:41:26but I like turned my phone on myself and
0:41:30strummed it into a little video and send
0:41:34it to a guy like I don't hear cool
0:41:36here's how it is i mean i don't i'm not
0:41:38sure you know what I realized is that
0:41:40there's a real up stroke you know strum
0:41:44strum you know there's a there's a very
0:41:47much a a swing to the arm and as I
0:41:51started to do it I realized there are
0:41:52few songs that i have where I where the
0:41:55arm does this kind of almost like a the
0:41:58a gesture that a that you would do if
0:42:02you were pretending to be the conductor
0:42:04of an orchestra for like the kind of
0:42:06fake fluidity of a hand that's kind of
0:42:10swinging around with an imaginary baton
0:42:13going like that it is it about a right
0:42:17and as I'm strumming my hand is actually
0:42:19kind of swinging around kind of a
0:42:22trademark move of yours the swinging
0:42:24around hand while the after a strong up
0:42:26there is a kind of flourish little towns
0:42:29and he kind of flourish little flourish
0:42:31but it's but the flourishes I'm not
0:42:33conscious of it as a decorative element
0:42:35the flourish is there to give my hand
0:42:38something to do in the air before it
0:42:40comes down because because there's a
0:42:43rhythmic you know some damn did a damn
0:42:48and the hands gotta do something in
0:42:51those little is a bottom and so it kind
0:42:54of goes up and spins or spins around a
0:42:58little bit like a like a little
0:42:59hummingbird like we and i don't i don't
0:43:03think about it it's just what's and I
0:43:06didn't think about it it just ended up
0:43:09like that just feels like a very natural
0:43:11scrum and and then the hand you know the
0:43:14hand just naturally did that but it's
0:43:18that type of thing that I couldn't
0:43:19describe it
0:43:20I don't know that I'm doing it and I did
0:43:22not learn it
0:43:23hmm what do you do at what do you call
0:43:26that right now and then you discover it
0:43:28and you're like oh shit
0:43:29you know don't i don't want to know
0:43:31about that like if I started thinking
0:43:33about it i'm gonna get i might get all
0:43:36screwed up
0:43:37oh yeah i mean is that how it is with
0:43:40key commands i could be it could be but
0:43:43i'm thinking like I mean I was never
0:43:44very good at music theory I mean I
0:43:45learned just enough to be dangerous but
0:43:48you know there are people actually
0:43:49people using the show who are very
0:43:50gifted in music theory and they can do
0:43:52stuff like I still I can't tell the
0:43:54difference difference between 6834 time
0:43:56because i think it's got just go to
0:43:58lowest common denominator is all three
0:43:59four other people have very strong
0:44:00feelings i can I would not account that
0:44:02to know the difference
0:44:03mhm you probably can but like there's a
0:44:05but there are there are people out there
0:44:07who would think about and their head I
0:44:08think they're probably thinking along
0:44:09the lines like how would I know take
0:44:10this you know you get those little like
0:44:13even the beatles think about something
0:44:14like to entertain my way we can work it
0:44:18out about the time signatures on we can
0:44:20work it out it's not a super-complex
0:44:22song but like in the life is very short
0:44:24there's a time for fussing and 534
0:44:26bump-bump all I have always thought you
0:44:29know and obviously pencil brush so I
0:44:31think sometimes people are counting in
0:44:33their head if you're having a serious
0:44:34like band NERD you have to learn how to
0:44:36conduct you have to learn how to count
0:44:37and I don't think that's my part of it
0:44:39is we never do that because like I just
0:44:40rocks but you know there's a lot of 34
0:44:43in the long winter know I know
0:44:45cinnamon and and 68 and some of it is
0:44:49not where you kind of expected to be
0:44:51here or you know the time signature
0:44:53stuff how I don't get around is it did
0:44:56school me what's the difference
0:44:58well see this is the thing for years and
0:45:00years i would just one other musicians
0:45:02would be playing on that stuff with me
0:45:04or I'd be trying to explain it i would
0:45:07just say waltz waltz see well yeah well
0:45:09it's time to boom song oh bumbo pretty
0:45:13bad there who doesn't know or care that
0:45:14the two general kind of times you got 44
0:45:16which is almost all music we listen to
0:45:18in the west which is could basically be
0:45:20described as boom chicka bumper sticker
0:45:21or like boom 4134 Wow and you know
0:45:25Watson here because it goes 123 123 its
0:45:28next three-four time right
0:45:30mm but now 68 you got me
0:45:34I mean 68 I know it when I feel it it
0:45:39feels different than 34 and I don't know
0:45:43how to I don't know how to talk about it
0:45:45yeah I just and I write things in 68
0:45:47also and don't know and I just I feel I
0:45:53feel the difference and its wings
0:45:55differently and I'm sure it has
0:45:58something to do with something where the
0:46:00math of it and the counting you know
0:46:03because music is math and math science
0:46:06and science nature nature's love right
0:46:09so i started love and i get x all but I
0:46:13but it's like chutes and ladders right
0:46:16some people sometimes ladders about
0:46:18these shoots that's right and I just
0:46:20sometimes I just shoot down to the song
0:46:23without passing through science math and
0:46:27nature just pure life i go from love to
0:46:30song em on a shoot while a lot while the
0:46:33guys in rush are climbing up the ladder
0:46:35oh sure jacob's ladder right and i start
0:46:38at the top of the shoot they start at
0:46:40the bottom of the ladder and who knows
0:46:42what happens they arrived at 2112 and I
0:46:45get somewhere where I can't tell other
0:46:47musicians how my songs go now look at
0:46:49the wikipedia page in your life and turn
0:46:52it on again right and we talked about
0:46:53this turn it on again to turn it on
0:46:56again 647 for 13 for 13 8 blogger the
0:47:02mean part i want is a TV show I think
0:47:05that's 13-8 that's nice and Christine
0:47:08830 nate is such a pop song but a bum
0:47:10arm on my mind you know that's all on
0:47:14Reed Pete
0:47:16well sure is a gentle son that's how you
0:47:18know a song
0:47:19yeah show you i don't know what has
0:47:25happened this week I've had too much
0:47:26coffee but you are bringing so much
0:47:28fucking fault wisdom to our audience
0:47:31yeah so all these things that seem
0:47:32really obvious they're not they're not
0:47:34obvious though that they need to be said
0:47:37I haven't have this new song that hasn't
0:47:39been really properly recorded yet called
0:47:41not moving to portland and it's about
0:47:43not moving to Portland
0:47:45for a long time well it has been around
0:47:47for a really long time but it's never
0:47:49been i get i get i get letters sure on
0:47:52sentences here
0:47:54alright i asked asking me where could
0:47:58that song can be found because people
0:47:59want to listen to it and and i say i
0:48:02don't know it's somewhere you look for
0:48:04it on the internet and they're like no
0:48:05no I want the recording of it and I go
0:48:07that's it i'm sorry that's just what's
0:48:09there but I've been thinking seriously
0:48:12about recording it properly so that all
0:48:14the people that don't listen too long
0:48:17winter songs on YouTube that's such a
0:48:18good idea for so many reasons you know
0:48:20how the song goes
0:48:21all you gotta do is get to the mechanics
0:48:23no no nothing's easy or simple but you
0:48:25get through the mechanics of recording
0:48:27that and shit man your juices are going
0:48:28again shit man
0:48:29yeah shit sucks shit dog shit but so
0:48:33that song goes for 45 47 46 845 4746 a
0:48:43comment letting you are consciously
0:48:46going like I want to make a rush son
0:48:47no no I was just like I i wrote the 54
0:48:51part first I really liked it and you
0:48:54know was jamming along on it and then if
0:48:57you simply stay in five four that's fine
0:49:00but you need you need something to jazz
0:49:04it a little bit and 54 274 feels amazing
0:49:07because just two more right
0:49:11yep identity longer want to get the
0:49:12higher numerators you notice the
0:49:17weirdness last 54 when you sit there
0:49:19listening to take five the the official
0:49:22song of white people everywhere the
0:49:24official chance song of the whites don't
0:49:27go don't don't don't like that really
0:49:29feels like a little wonky but when you
0:49:32get into the higher ones you don't
0:49:33notice like a return on again you would
0:49:35not notice that that is such a crazy
0:49:36time soon well here's the thing about
0:49:3813-8 ok right yeah yeah it's 13-8 it's
0:49:45an 8 is 64 twice plus 1
0:49:49well I mean most obviously i think sir
0:49:52most obviously it's for 43 x plus 1
0:49:55well see if you're going to be like that
0:49:57no it's basically it's basically play
0:49:59for but uh three bars of a rock song and
0:50:02then atopy yeah just add one beats so
0:50:04all it all so that added beat feels like
0:50:09that's how that's five for you know
0:50:12that's a I mean that the extra beat is
0:50:15just as easy to throw in and the rest
0:50:18just feels like 44 the ninety-nine
0:50:20percent of the tune if that's how you're
0:50:22playing it or if you're playing six and
0:50:24like you know you you do the pattern you
0:50:26do it three times and then you hit a
0:50:27little like butt up
0:50:29that's like that's it I feel like that's
0:50:32pretty County like everybody's kind of
0:50:35counting it until they until they're
0:50:37just feeling it and they're following
0:50:38the most yes but that stuff is super fun
0:50:43and then you throw then then you go into
0:50:44like Soundgarden land and that's my
0:50:48least favorite part disneyland
0:50:49Soundgarden lands and garden land so
0:50:52soon darling farah Sarah not for Aryan
0:50:58or sitting there for other that's that's
0:51:01the other band some garden is what I
0:51:04singing you're seeing the last of the
0:51:06Pearl Jam i'll be doing pretty news to
0:51:08the tune of any better
0:51:09well but I know like watching got
0:51:11anything for firm firm isn't using
0:51:16backup on that
0:51:17yeah yeah because that was a that was in
0:51:21the green event that was the band went
0:51:23well anybody was never in the Green
0:51:24River pan and either either was chris
0:51:26cornell so you can talk with the hat and
0:51:28the base was in green river got that the
0:51:30base was in green river and stone
0:51:32gossard was Stone geyser see green river
0:51:36was Pearl Jam plus Mudhoney mm were
0:51:39genius bus love equals Jackie Rogers Jr
0:51:42but you're thinking of temple of the dog
0:51:48I want to reach down and pick the crowd
0:51:52up
0:51:53Wow which one is that that's a ro
0:51:56hardware at home ground that's what that
0:52:03is her for all and that was the one so
0:52:09that song is confusing it's like it's
0:52:11like a rat King just it is recommended
0:52:13difficult to figure out all these bands
0:52:15that was the introduction that the world
0:52:17had any better they never heard of him
0:52:18before and that music video of them i
0:52:22guess standing on a beach around the
0:52:23campfire the hungry song
0:52:25yeah I I thought it was the one before
0:52:29Jeremy 10e room for all yeah butBut
0:52:34evenflo kit so my back about Linda
0:52:37shoulder day hope my understanding of
0:52:40that era which let me let me just jump
0:52:42out and say is pretty comprehensive is
0:52:46that temple of the dog came out that was
0:52:49chris cornell anything for anybody
0:52:51following along at home who doesn't care
0:52:54mhm uh what you need to start caring huh
0:52:57stop not caring is one of my that's
0:53:00awesome she likes so wise right stop not
0:53:04care about not caring so uh there there
0:53:07was a guy in seattle named Andrew Wood
0:53:09who fronted a band called the what the
0:53:14fuck were they called mother love bone
0:53:16monotone of bone Mother Love Bone mother
0:53:19love bone but the money's money from
0:53:21Seattle
0:53:22oh yeah keep it out of my face keep down
0:53:24my face that's right touch me I'm sick
0:53:26touch me I'm sick she didn't like there
0:53:28we go there and they're not a whole
0:53:29different place working with all that
0:53:31you know the lead singer of money is he
0:53:36works at sub pop records huh
0:53:38he's still around essence you know
0:53:40they're all still around because Seattle
0:53:42you know what I mean like yeah
0:53:44everybody's down with the cause here
0:53:45it's like a college town
0:53:47those guys are definitely down there
0:53:48down with the struggle but Andrew Wood
0:53:51was very flamboyant lead singer of
0:53:53Mother Love Bone during the era where it
0:53:56was unclear whether seattle was going to
0:53:58be like a hair metal town
0:54:01or whether it was going to be something
0:54:03else like a shitty grungy town which is
0:54:05what it ended up that ended up being
0:54:07popular
0:54:08oh there we go mother love bone so
0:54:10mother love bone was that they were here
0:54:11farmers and they were wearing scarves
0:54:14and I make us kind of glam very super
0:54:16glam and it was coming out of the like
0:54:18poison a put a cherry on it whatever
0:54:23LACMA look at that they do I had no idea
0:54:26they look a little bit done yeah yeah
0:54:28where you're like you know jellyfish
0:54:30minus pop gonna have like a 60 throwback
0:54:33kind of thing
0:54:34yeah but that was what was happening in
0:54:3589 right everybody's wearing Paisley
0:54:37shirts with sure the sleeves and and
0:54:40we're going to type of guitars and like
0:54:43put a what look what the cat dragged in
0:54:46style like like teased hair and so that
0:54:50band also had a I mean they were like
0:54:55one of the be bands here at the time and
0:55:00stone gossard was also in that just
0:55:04meant was in the band so they went from
0:55:07the from the one bandwidth Mudhoney
0:55:10where they were pulled in different
0:55:12directions because if you look at the if
0:55:13you look at Green River that the mud
0:55:18hunt so hats half Mudhoney Steve Turner
0:55:21the guitar player of money is in green
0:55:25apple green river there was also being
0:55:28called green-apple quick-step and I keep
0:55:30stumbling over the who but so those guys
0:55:33were punk and then stone and Jeff were
0:55:37like glam and in seattle the time you
0:55:40can just do that when I'm you don't mean
0:55:42just do that you just have a band that
0:55:45was like a funk have claimed but then it
0:55:49turned into a mother love bone which was
0:55:53all blam all the time
0:55:56okay all glam no sham mhm as what we
0:55:59used to not say
0:56:01and Andrew Wood was one of these guys it
0:56:06was like Hello cannot get the ladies up
0:56:08here you know he was like a David Lee
0:56:09Roth we kind of yeah right and he was
0:56:12wait a minute wait for essen wait for it
0:56:15chris cornell's roommate and best friend
0:56:18turns out turns out chris cornell's
0:56:21roommate and best friend and chris
0:56:22cornell is in Soundgarden hair soon as
0:56:26garden Stein and but Soundgarden was not
0:56:29especially glam they were much more they
0:56:32weren't they weren't like punk either
0:56:34they were like at all they were Zeppelin
0:56:36II mattaponi metal yeah but now we do
0:56:38with the melvins from Seattle the
0:56:40melvins were from Olympia Wash okay
0:56:42sorry alright and they were they repped
0:56:45south sound pretty hard but they were
0:56:47the melvins were III them again the
0:56:50racking free Melvin's are more like
0:56:52sabes e.e will ya like punky saben lucky
0:56:56Sabbath yeah but Melvin's were very
0:56:58influential because the melvins where
0:57:00the band that Kurt Cobain wanted to be
0:57:02in they were them they were the cool
0:57:04band that that Nirvana like was always
0:57:07sort of like hey guys can we carry your
0:57:10amps Catholic it was they were seriously
0:57:12they were like the godfathers of that
0:57:15vibe but the melvins had no time for any
0:57:18of this bullshit who they were just they
0:57:20weren't into glam they were doing their
0:57:22own South CS South like Olympia style
0:57:26that's the shit where they had like moss
0:57:28growing in there in their nostrils and
0:57:31stuff like that part of washington is
0:57:35just what what is the equivalent and
0:57:37there is no equivalent in California
0:57:39there are definitely equivalents in a in
0:57:43Oregon to this it's like a college town
0:57:47full of a narco hippie kind of santa
0:57:51cruz no Santa Cruz to its to clean and
0:57:56to surfer who died and for sure Santa
0:57:58Cruz oriented toward the water and in
0:58:01the sort of olympia aberdeen nexus it is
0:58:04also oriented to the water but but it's
0:58:07like oriented to more like add dragging
0:58:10the river for bodies kind of way exactly
0:58:11like a like you go out there
0:58:14you're harvesting sealife em and then
0:58:18you're bringing it back and selling it
0:58:20in order to pump up the tires on your
0:58:22mobile home because you keep thinking
0:58:24that you're gonna put it behind the
0:58:25truck and trailer somewhere that's the
0:58:27spring States you know what I mean like
0:58:30you know what my tires food and full-on
0:58:3319th birthday I got a fishing license
0:58:36and a bag of chilled we're gonna one day
0:58:40sweetheart we're gonna get out of this
0:58:41town as soon as I can get the tires on
0:58:44this thing up and that means I go out to
0:58:47see one more time baby this town rips
0:58:49the vein from your shrimp and I'm gonna
0:58:52you know what I'm gonna get a license to
0:58:54harvest gooey duck and when i get 14
0:58:58gooey duck i'm gonna some to Japan
0:59:00I'm gonna get new tires on this rig and
0:59:02we're getting out of here we're going
0:59:03all the way to swim
0:59:05Gordon fisherman meets of my submit yeah
0:59:09okay right except their own time about
0:59:11the rabbits George except there aren't
0:59:13even like the colorful characters it's
0:59:17kind of like old greg from the mighty
0:59:19boosh wow nice pole
0:59:21I'm old lady you not old greg i'm old
0:59:25gregg like he comes up out of the sea
0:59:27and keys it turns out he's a kurt
0:59:29cobain's uncle whenever a girl named
0:59:32Greg but no massey of massey another so
0:59:38temple of the dog was chris cornell's
0:59:41record that he wrote in tribute to his
0:59:44best friend and the wood who had
0:59:46recently died of a heroin overdose
0:59:49he was the first big rock star of the
0:59:51Seattle seen two died of heroin and it
0:59:55was was it has John he was not the last
0:59:57my friend in some ways he
0:59:57my friend in some ways he
1:00:00he set the tone which was hey if you're
1:00:03going to be a big deal in this town
1:00:04you're gonna have to die of heroin
1:00:05yeah but so temple of the dog was the
1:00:09big tribute record the chris cornell
1:00:12road and then right at the last minute a
1:00:15his pals we're starting this new band
1:00:18with this kid from California named
1:00:20Eddie better and very generously i like
1:00:23to think it was a very generous move on
1:00:25chris cornell's part it was like well
1:00:27why don't you sing on my tribute record
1:00:29to Andy would a guy sang lead on that
1:00:31song a guy you never met writer I mean
1:00:33if any better met Andy would it was not
1:00:35his behind music my friend i did not
1:00:37know these things that won't know any
1:00:39better wouldn't really have met Andy
1:00:40would because the reason that stone
1:00:42gossard and Jeff meant even met any
1:00:45better was because their bandwidth and
1:00:49he would had just broken up because any
1:00:51one time and so they were like what we
1:00:53got we know we want to do this let's
1:00:54form a new band and we'll put out a call
1:00:57for singers so Eddie so chris cornell's
1:01:01like yeah man why don't you sing on this
1:01:02tribute to my old best pal that was the
1:01:05singer of your bandmates old band and
1:01:08like here you go why don't you take the
1:01:10lead on this tune that becomes the big
1:01:13MTV smash that really touched off the
1:01:17whole pearl jam Soundgarden metal side
1:01:20of MTV brunch for da boom stick the
1:01:25landing Seattle rock history to pow boom
1:01:31there it is you and all those bros all
1:01:34those bros knew each other and we're all
1:01:37broke pals back in the day and your good
1:01:39friend Jason thin also knew all those
1:01:42bros look at that the check in Austin's
1:01:44back to Jason Jason fin he was there he
1:01:46was there and his band love battery
1:01:49right we're not very good let's be
1:01:53honest
1:01:55um but uh I didn't ever tell you the
1:01:59story we were walking down the street
1:02:00one time it seems like now many years
1:02:03ago but he was probably already 33 years
1:02:05old and he's like God unless I'm gonna
1:02:07get a tattoo like do you have any
1:02:09tattoos now now
1:02:11well you're you're in your thirties why
1:02:14are you getting a tattoo
1:02:15I'm gonna get a tattoo of love battery i
1:02:18was like love battery your band broke up
1:02:19ten years ago
1:02:20he's like that's right and so we walked
1:02:23into a tattoo parlor
1:02:25I don't even know why I don't know why I
1:02:26was there you just encountered him on
1:02:28the streets a lot you run into him a lot
1:02:29yeah give me any of your anecdotes
1:02:31involving Jason Finn involves running
1:02:34into him on the street now you run into
1:02:35when you guys go ahead a little
1:02:36adventure that's what you do in certain
1:02:38questions about what he's doing in that
1:02:39neighborhood if he has questions about
1:02:41what I'm doing but uh but so I where he
1:02:45went we went into this tattoo parlor was
1:02:47back behind the hair salon kind of up
1:02:49above the taqueria express and he sits
1:02:52in the chair and he's like here's what i
1:02:53want and he pulls out the cover art to
1:02:56his Sub Pop release from 1990 or
1:03:00something like that he's like put that
1:03:01on my arm and it's the only tattoo he
1:03:04has swag wow yeah and it was some kind
1:03:07of retro at the time I was like is this
1:03:10revisionist are you putting this tattoo
1:03:12on you as though you had it on then all
1:03:15i see i've had this shirt all along
1:03:17yeah exactly you know what I mean my ass
1:03:19your band but you didn't get a tattoo of
1:03:22your band when it was a bad now you're
1:03:23getting it as post band
1:03:26it would also be like you have to
1:03:27Instagram a little bit i mean you know
1:03:29what I mean a filter like you wouldn't
1:03:30want the because you can for some pretty
1:03:32good inc at this point you want to get
1:03:33the shitty tattoo he would had in 1992
1:03:37happy legit but but he said no it's not
1:03:39revisionist I just you know that band
1:03:41was very important to me and i want to i
1:03:44want to commemorate its good for him and
1:03:46what's what's really sad is that when
1:03:48love battery gets together now to play
1:03:50shows i don't think they I think they
1:03:52get a different from her behind not
1:03:55because Jason isn't a fantastic drummer
1:03:57but just because Seattle music politics
1:03:59is weird and I think maybe Jason's less
1:04:02horrible that's like the world's least
1:04:03interesting oh Henry story
1:04:05well except here at six and Jason like
1:04:07left love
1:04:08Adrian alerts when he got cherry picked
1:04:11to be investing that man they still
1:04:12planning
1:04:13yeah well no he's not anymore because
1:04:15the singer of the presidents of the USA
1:04:17Today music now decided he wanted to do
1:04:19kids music exclusive for baby pants and
1:04:22that's right Casper baby follow him on
1:04:24the Twitter he's a very big deal and his
1:04:26music is very spectacular right and he
1:04:29was like you know what being in a rock
1:04:30band for a people that are playing for
1:04:33grownups all the time
1:04:34hmm means that i have to travel around
1:04:36ladies shows for dummies and everybody's
1:04:40john sloan in and make five or six
1:04:43figures and reschedule you for the
1:04:44weekend
1:04:45yeah but he's you know it's it's it's
1:04:47honestly like I local dude to yeah he
1:04:50doesn't need the money and I'll caspar
1:04:51babypants but believe me I understand
1:04:54yeah he's a guy that's like I don't want
1:04:55to stay up until midnight to wait to
1:04:57play for a bunch of drunks i wanted i
1:04:59want to sleep in my own bed and I can
1:05:01make music for kids who really love it
1:05:03that that's nice what are you gonna do
1:05:06adjacent you gotta put that kind of work
1:05:08is he playing a different man now being
1:05:10Jason needs a job now you should have a
1:05:12play with you
1:05:13well Jason thinks so too and I you know
1:05:16I glove Jamie is a very good drummer is
1:05:19very good drummer but that's not the
1:05:20issue
1:05:20that's not the issue the issue is that
1:05:23Jason was the was the band manager of
1:05:27the presidents of the USA he was the
1:05:30thing that kind of kept that machine
1:05:32rollin he's appalled
1:05:35yeah because Dave Meinert who used to be
1:05:38the president of the USA manager they
1:05:40fired him for something because they
1:05:43were all too close to each other they
1:05:44were all in bed with each other and then
1:05:45Dave Meinert signed the Lumineers and
1:05:47now is a million billion oh so Dave
1:05:50minor got the last laugh on everybody in
1:05:52this town because he just was like you
1:05:54know what I'm band manager uh let's see
1:05:56about my son these guys and you know
1:05:58stomp-stomp-stomp far as i can tell did
1:06:01no work at all and all of a sudden they
1:06:02were there it's old like a million
1:06:04records and land out of money in that
1:06:06the cell phone commercial music I was
1:06:08sitting with Dave's and he was trying to
1:06:11use trying to figure out what he was
1:06:13going to like what his next project was
1:06:15going to be and at one point he said
1:06:17well you know one of these days very
1:06:20soon
1:06:20soon a check is going to literally
1:06:23arrived in my mailbox for a million
1:06:24dollars or and so I'm sitting here right
1:06:27now talking to you in a in a certain
1:06:30state which is the state of someone who
1:06:33is working and has the X amount of
1:06:38dollars like this the small amount that
1:06:39you would have if you own a business but
1:06:42I've already earned this million dollars
1:06:45it just hasn't arrived in my mailbox and
1:06:49I was like wow this is a pregnant moment
1:06:51yeah one and like in that kind of
1:06:52situation you get alc get paid last but
1:06:55there's a lot of other lot of move a lot
1:06:57of different monies have to move through
1:06:59different pipes then be processed with
1:07:02apportionments made two different other
1:07:03people's monies and it might be quite a
1:07:05while before you see any of that
1:07:06well except he's the Manager so he's the
1:07:09pipes
1:07:09he's the pipes is the PI he survived the
1:07:12money moved into his pipes first he
1:07:14piped out and everybody but this was his
1:07:16personal cut of the money pipe i get it
1:07:19and he so he knew what it was he knew he
1:07:22had earned it because he watched it go
1:07:24by the first time anyway huh
1:07:27the problem with having Jason thin in
1:07:29the long winters is that we talked we
1:07:32have talked about it many times and
1:07:33chases played with the longer but here's
1:07:36the here's how the conversation goes hey
1:07:37Jason do you want to be in the long
1:07:38winters
1:07:39yes ok well let's start talking about to
1:07:42her and he's like all right well what
1:07:44what kind of you know what kind of brand
1:07:47of cables do you use and I'm like huh
1:07:49I don't know Smith brand no no you can't
1:07:53use Smith brand those are bullshit that
1:07:55I tell you what I'll handle I'm like
1:07:58when I will well how you been in the
1:08:00band like 11 can click the bidirectional
1:08:02cables you know the the the directional
1:08:05and so right away he's like Trey's
1:08:09managing the band and I'm like that will
1:08:12settle down i like those Smith cables is
1:08:14like nada
1:08:16so it's not it's not a musical problem
1:08:19it's just that he cannot manage me and I
1:08:23cannot be managed season he's a border
1:08:26collie yeah he's that's right he's a
1:08:29he's an Australian Shepherd it's in the
1:08:30reason is it is breeding for many things
1:08:33to do is grab people
1:08:34by the pants dragging through the yard
1:08:35yeah he's trying to get me to go through
1:08:37the gate and then then turn and go
1:08:40through the second gate and then go up
1:08:43over the hill go through a third gate
1:08:44and then have everybody like the
1:08:47whatever going to a Corral mhm and i am
1:08:51an eagle who does not want to work with
1:08:54the turkeys right and so you know i'm
1:08:59not even my cubicle and I have that sign
1:09:02posted on the outside of the door which
1:09:04is a real slap in the face
1:09:06everyone at work I can soar with Eagles
1:09:08if you're flying with turkeys yeah yeah
1:09:11imagine wise the that's serious business
1:09:13and so what so and what we end up doing
1:09:18is going to dim sum and talk about
1:09:19something else that smart but up until
1:09:21now I haven't there's not what you know
1:09:24what what band what band could I'd did i
1:09:26even have been be the drummer in yeah
1:09:28but I got an interesting text message
1:09:32the other day from the bass player of
1:09:33pretty girls make graves who said who
1:09:38was as you know the former bass player
1:09:41of the murder city devils oh yeah right
1:09:44okay i did not know that he texted me
1:09:47and said hey why don't we play some
1:09:48music
1:09:49that's a nice text message right and I
1:09:51was like whoa like the murder city
1:09:54devils into pretty girls make graves
1:09:55that's a pretty cool kid music lineage
1:09:59that was you know was like a parallel
1:10:04lines with my music lineage but now now
1:10:08sort of never intersect I feel like I've
1:10:10seen the murder scene actually I've seen
1:10:12them like at bottom of the hill yet
1:10:14probably did they set their piano on
1:10:16fire what they can look at pictures here
1:10:18I don't remember piano fire that was
1:10:20kind of one of their signature moves
1:10:21later on they have they hired a piano
1:10:24player
1:10:24young woman who was very rock and roll
1:10:27and one of the things they did was set
1:10:29their piano on fire that's nice
1:10:31it's you know like you said your guitar
1:10:33on fire that's been done but I want to
1:10:34move it right let's think when you were
1:10:36talking about Sarah you're the the lady
1:10:39who plays the device i instantly thought
1:10:41of Ben Folds Five and the story goes on
1:10:44the first two were they actually toured
1:10:46with a baby grand piano
1:10:48uh-huh so they don't have to think about
1:10:49the places you've gone and got to take
1:10:51my amp up there and they would have a
1:10:53baby grand piano that they would have to
1:10:55carry up stones did he take the lists
1:10:57ridiculous idiot you know Keane the but
1:11:02my good good pals from mingling they
1:11:06have a very very special piano that
1:11:11confusingly no one else uses which is
1:11:15the yamaha CP 70 i think which is an
1:11:22electric piano that has strings
1:11:25oh but it doesn't sound like a our roads
1:11:29no that's the thing of the roads is
1:11:31actually kind of a vibraphone brilliance
1:11:35very different sounds like it's hitting
1:11:37bars
1:11:38it is yeah it's hitting little bars that
1:11:39go boom where they were heavy since
1:11:42they're so heavy well you think those
1:11:44are heavy
1:11:45look up a CP 7am it's a piano yeah it's
1:11:48a it's a it's a infant grant but it but
1:11:51it it's collapsible it collapses into a
1:11:54like that this has strings & hammers in
1:11:59it
1:11:59yeah yeah but it's an electric pis stay
1:12:02in tune like if you're like with the
1:12:04Florida how would it stay in tune
1:12:05this is the think so keen this is their
1:12:07signature p.m. ok it's on all their
1:12:10things get Tim Rice oxley plays at every
1:12:12show and they arrived in a town and then
1:12:16a piano tuner comes and tunes their
1:12:19piano every night before the show which
1:12:21is not a small operation sounds like a
1:12:23euphemism as here that's right you show
1:12:26up for the total combined typically and
1:12:28you know what to my piano baby at that
1:12:32let's see lower at which is that is an
1:12:35incredible
1:12:36that's an incredible deal right
1:12:38of touring with one of those but then
1:12:41check out privilege my goodness i got
1:12:43home
1:12:44well this is the this is the this is the
1:12:46trick I got home and was talking to my
1:12:48brother Bart and I was like yeah i just
1:12:50did this tour with the with key they're
1:12:52playing this piano called CP 70 because
1:12:54you know my brother is a professional
1:12:55piano player and Bart said oh yeah I
1:12:59used to tour with the CP 70 well bard
1:13:02when he says to her he means travel in a
1:13:06ford van with no back seat like a like a
1:13:10like a black flag back van and play at
1:13:14ramada ins across the northwest and I
1:13:18was like you play you tour with the CP
1:13:2170 that's insane
1:13:22oh he's like yeah I used to tour with a
1:13:24Hammond b3 with a row with the boat a
1:13:27speaker rotating speaker and he said
1:13:31we'd show up to the thing and I'd get my
1:13:33hand truck out and the other guys
1:13:36wouldn't even help me I would just load
1:13:37and load the b3 and the Leslie in myself
1:13:40every time and loaded out at the end of
1:13:42the night so I'm like I gotta see your
1:13:44CP 70 so he takes me down in his
1:13:47basement in Yakima
1:13:49here's this piano completely shredded
1:13:51right all the tolex is ripped it looks
1:13:54like it's been dropped off of a building
1:13:56it looks like the toyota hilux that was
1:14:00in the TV show who
1:14:05what's the English the car TV show top
1:14:08gear top gear
1:14:10there's that toyota hilux that they
1:14:12tried to destroy it is that what they
1:14:14like driver driver Yankee car
1:14:16no it's not that it's they bought a new
1:14:17Toyota and they tried to destroy it so
1:14:19that the engine wouldn't start
1:14:21ok and they actually dropped it from a
1:14:23crane and they drove it into a lake I
1:14:26mean they destroyed this truck and then
1:14:27they would get in it and they turn the
1:14:28key in the promoter would start it was
1:14:30kind of like about to show how durable
1:14:32it was to show how durable got it ok
1:14:35anyway so parts like yeah I don't want
1:14:36that fucking thing is it's taking up my
1:14:38basement and i gave Wow and right now i
1:14:42have a totally trashed yamaha CP 70 in
1:14:46the closet of my backpack and I don't
1:14:48know what to do with it but i can't
1:14:50throw a key
1:14:51get rid of it why could it shit dawg