Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► LOL hi John [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► I'm Merlin how's it going so good so [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► SuperDuper super mm-hmm a different day [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► different time [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► yeah right it's not it's not too early [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► it's not to monday [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► oh it is just what it is I'm always [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► ready for you is that right huh [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► that can't be true I'm treating myself [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► today to add this new thing i'm doing [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► called the taste of my youth when I go [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► and I revisit case of my youth so right [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► now I'm having a a 6 ounce can of dole [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► pineapple orange juice [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► mmm god is good all from concentrate [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► yeah right no comes in a can see no it's [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► healthy [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► is that something that you you actually [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► had as as you this time [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► this is the my Madeline mighty is a in [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► gym class in tenth grade we had a drink [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► dispenser you know i got like a pop [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► machine but it dispensed juice and there [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► was this brain was called Bluebird [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► Bluebird orange juice which I've never [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► heard of anywhere else and was orange [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► juice that mostly tastes like pineapple [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and I always enjoyed it but I think when [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► you get the concentrate [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► you know you get a lot of get a [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► pineapple aspect to it well that's the [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► thing what is a pineapple concentrated [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► orange oh my god [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► move move move I never thought of it [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► that way [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► yeah sure you take a bunch of orange [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► well this is what God did ya oranges was [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► the fourth day third day and scrunched [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► it scrunch it into an armadillo he's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► goes it goes into the pineapple yeah and [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► then took a cactus and stuck it in the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► armadillos but I learned so much from [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► you every week [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► yeah well that's the thing about science [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► me mhm [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► you know you don't die encounter [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► pineapples like you used to [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I think pineapples like like people & [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► gorilla suits quicksand I think it might [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► be a thing with the seventies [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► well you know in the seventies I spent a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► lot of time in hawaii as we've talked [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► about probably either many times or [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► Never and in hawaii in the seventies [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► there were pineapple fields as far as [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the eye could see [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► fields forever it was by him fields [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► forever living was easy with eyes closed [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► and it was like one of the great things [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► about going to Hawaii it was sugar cane [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► and pineapples this kind of this i mean [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► their plantations but but it's a big [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► part of the culture there and all of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► that stuff is gone now you go to Y in [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► there no there's no sugarcane there are [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► no pineapples really really because it's [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► just so much cheaper to grow that stuff [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► elsewhere you know in China or well I [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► don't think they grow pineapples and a [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► well they will but not getting enough [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► they found you know dole pineapple [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► conglomerate inc gbh who found enormous [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► places in Central and South America i [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► think in Africa probably where they just [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► set out what we'll just we'll grow [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► pineapples here and now those a lot of [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► those fields and why are either fallow [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► or I don't know I don't [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► it's kinda weird to go there and not see [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► that stuff and I don't even understand [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► why they just didn't let the back [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► pineapples grow wild although i don't [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► know what wild pineapples like this is [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► that this is an interesting thing it's a [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► digital turns out because for a long [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► time we we heard about talked about peak [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► oil and we be talking about the idea [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► that there would be a point when we [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► would reach more than fifty percent of [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the oil that could be gotten from the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► earth and then after that point it would [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► become much more cost much more [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► expensive which led to a lot of [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► interesting discussions I'm just [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► basically paraphrasing what's-his-name [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► counselor but great look but the idea [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that like this little hustler magazine [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► represent our i was injured his legal [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► career back on select yeah good old [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► counselor Cody look with the glasses on [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► the glasses on top of his head and then [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► the third pair of glasses yeah the other [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► glass that cool hair [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► let's go look at but you know if you [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► read that stuff which I found very [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► absorbing in the 2,000 there's the idea [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► that so well setting aside slavery so [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► much of what happens in America in the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► last hundred fifty at least years is [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► based on [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► on incredibly cheap energy that you [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► don't mean just the idea that you know [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► we could not you cannot have walmart be [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► walmart without ships running on you [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► know relatively cheap fuel and so must [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► have changed [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► actually i'm reading a book about [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► walmart so i kind of have walmart on the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► brain right now but that's changed now [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► walmart has become extremely interested [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► in environmental sustainability not [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► least because it's cheaper now and but [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► but then the fuel prices went down so so [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► like like what happens i mean there is [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► our economy going to get all wackadoodle [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► just continue to be wackadoodle based on [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► these kinds of prices of fuel and like [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► how could you not get pineapple from a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► way that just seems weird i'm not sure [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► if this question here i'm just i'm [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► concerned i think that i think that the [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► other factors are labor is more [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► expensive in Hawaii and there's a lot [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► more regulation in Hawaii because it's [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► America and you know grand land is more [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► expensive and got increasingly more [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► expensive and it's just you know when [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► you're talking about a multinational [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► corporation that's like how do we get [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► how do we make 10 million pineapples as [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► cheaply as we possibly can and and if [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► fuel prices are low and we can fill up a [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► exxon valdez for pineapples [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► that's my drinking and true when you [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► know because it's already expensive to [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► get pineapples from Hawaii to anywhere [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► yeah it's not that much more expensive [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► to get them from nicaragua or you know [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► probably from Nigeria I don't know I you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► know I keep throwing these I'm look I [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► know I'm looking right now he's on his [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► own we're going pineapples room but what [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► you need you need water you need hot you [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► can have high and you needed any ground [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► costa rica costa rica there are [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► different beans and then Brazil as of [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► 2013 costa rica produces 2.7 million [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► tons of pineapple a year huh lot of tons [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► of pineapple yeah it looks like it is a [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► pretty tight race between the [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► Philippines Brazil costa rica i found a [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► hawaii a I i was i was not a good match [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► for a way i like the way that you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► pronounced hawaii hawaii hawaii you know [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► we we west coasters for a long time you [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► know we just like [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► we angle sighs everything why Hawaii why [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► but you you put that little extra like [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► Hawaii life into the patchouli sounds [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► good sounds good [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► so you went to hawaii hawaii and did not [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► you didn't you didn't bond with it [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► well here's the thing first of all I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► think you know this about me sometimes I [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► have trouble relaxing [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► mhm and slightly separate from that i [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► have i sometimes I'm a difficult [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► acclimate er I don't always acclimate [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► well or quickly like you seem like the [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► kind of guy you got a bag you're on a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► plane you go somewhere and like you're [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► already part of the culture here you try [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► it try but like it takes me awhile to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► get into I've gotten better over the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► years but there was a time when we take [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► me like three days to enjoy anything [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► that wasn't being at my house [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► uh-huh just shake off the like change [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah but I mean why else ye [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► also i felt very very foreign not least [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► because the people of Hawaii um don't [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► love people coming there it's not an [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► understandable it's not the warmest [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► welcome and also I didn't like the food [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► i couldn't get with the food i think [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► you're either the kind of person it's [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► like Scottish food either all about it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► you're like I can't believe this is food [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► yeah I couldn't shave ice in the this [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► BAM [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► I but that's right up your alley oh well [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► what's wonderful a about Hawaiian food [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► is it really is kind of a like made out [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► of the worst elements of like four [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► different kinds of food right it's like [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the worst kind of japanese food and the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► worst kind of portuguese food hit the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► worst sort of american food and i love [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► it right a pile of rice with breaded [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► chicken [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► mhm with a fried egg covered in gravy [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► no you know what i should give another [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► try up where I was just like this is a [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► thing and they're like oh yeah it's [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► called loco moco I've been that i am [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► feeling loco moco mhm but Hawaii doesn't [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► feel foreign to me because we went there [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► a lot [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► what were you why are you going there [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► like remind me well because in the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► seventies the forty-ninth and fiftieth [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► states had a very special relationship [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► because right Alaska entered the united [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► states in 1959 and hawaii in 1960 so [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► they came in and I don't know in my head [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► I always imagined they came in on the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► same time bill know there-there's a [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► brief period where there was a where [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► they made flags us flags with 49 stars [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► I don't think it was for very long and [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► it might we might have even been in a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► pit with in 1959 to buy but there was a [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► brief period where there were the u.s. [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► at 49 states [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► I don't you you can double-check this [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► but but uh so you know by nineteen [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► seventy what both both places had been [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► US states for 10 years and it was still [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► very new [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► it was also very exotic I mean Hawaii [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► like do you think about why 50 or the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► Brady Bunch [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► it was like us it was from my whole [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► childhood that was the idyllic location [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► Sherman my mother's entire life she all [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► she ever not all she wanted but she [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► really wanted to go on a vacation to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► Hawaii it was one of those things like [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► that was her dream [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► yeah sure you get a vacation to Hawaii [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► exactly right it just just the just the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► term has all this all the smell of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► colitas rising up through the air [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► I don't think they have colinas there i [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► have that I've all sort of colitas yeah [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► i know that's that's painful and it's [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► information i'm alright thank you thanks [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► for thanks for asking but when you think [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► about magnum p.i that you know that's [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► only 20 years after why I became a state [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► well you less than that right so it's [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► still very much like new new turf and so [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► anyway all by way of saying that the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► alaska airlines and hawaiian airlines [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► which were both sort of new ish [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► newish carriers that were making a play [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► to be bigger than just regional airlines [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► they had this like a hundred dollar [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► ticket hundred-dollar reciprocal ticket [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► Anchorage to Honolulu damn and it was [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that's crazy and this understand now for [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► the youngsters for the millenniums my [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► name's don't know from travel it used to [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► be you were not going to go anywhere for [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► less than seven hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► he's welfare expensive to fly it was [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► ended up in Alaska was you know it's [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► such a different animal and it was hard [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► to know like what [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► because alaska airlines had these things [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► a hundred-dollar tickets that were the [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► river they had a hundred dollar ticket [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► at one point when I graduate from high [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► school ask airlines gave every scene [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► every graduating senior in Alaska a free [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► ticket to anywhere in Alaska chimney and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► so you could use this ticket to go visit [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► somewhere like a barrow or Unalakleet or [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► something where you would never [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► otherwise go right you're not going to [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► go to Unalakleet for probably as part of [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► your job but if you got a free ticket [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► why not go there and so all I left [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► Alaska immediately after graduating and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► I didn't come back until after my free [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► ticket to anywhere in Alaska had expired [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► but all of my friends my high school [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► friends all got together and flew to [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► Kodiak which is like okay that's not [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► exactly the most exotic place to go [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► Kodiak you find out where they were they [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► make the snuff it [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► well you write or find out where they [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► use the snow and they went down to [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► Kodiak and they already had some big [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► hotel room not nice hotel room I mean [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► there i don't think there are any nice [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► hotel rooms and Cody actually they got [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► hotel rooms in some shitty hotel and [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► they SAT and drank here you know drink [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like a keystone and inept Keystone then [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► it would have been [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► it would have been Stroh's Frank Stroh's [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► in their old shitty hotel room wall [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► trained outside for three days and then [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► they flew home and I was like that was a [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► waste and they were like yeah it was a [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► waste like they should have gone [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► it could have gone anywhere you know [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► gnome yeah how many times you gonna say [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► in your life you want to know I don't [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► know I mean maybe maybe two maybe [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► yeah 22 plus probably zero but maybe two [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► I don't think i'm gonna say seven but we [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► went to hawaii all the time because of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► this hundred dollar ticket and it was a [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► direct flight Anchorage Honolulu so it's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► just like you didn't even have to go to [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► America damn and Hawaiians came to [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Alaska and at the time like a Waikiki [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► still had most of the stuff on Waikiki [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► was still like grass roof like like you [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► know like little little shacks with no [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► windows that were bars and they had [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► those little Tiki lanterns out front you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► know the streets kind of if you want if [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► you want five or six blocks off of [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► waikiki you know the streets would kind [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► of dirt [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► I mean it was very still just like felt [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► like a small town they're obviously [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► there were no the royal hawaiian was [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► there they were that big Hilton was [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► there there were some hotels along the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► strip but if you got if you got down the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► road a little ways it was just beer you [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► know it was so hawaii and so chill and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► at that point there wasn't that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► hostility to outsiders because it was [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► you know outsiders were sort of [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► contained you know it was like yeah if [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► you came to why you went to hear but you [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► didn't go if you we went to my way back [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► then and it was now it was nothing [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► because all is all if memory serves it [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► was always Honolulu and Waikiki and now [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► he was like even in the late seventies [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► now he was the hidden gem like if you [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► really want to go to Hawaii gotta go to [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► Malik's nobody threw into yet the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► streets were dirt for most of most of it [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► on Maui had little little towns right [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► you drive in and it's just a little it's [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► like a little town kind of carved [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► out of the out of the wild and oh my god [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► it felt like a it felt like it was it [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► was it was a paradisiacal who and now [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► you know me as a constant traffic jam [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► it's still incredible don't get me wrong [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► but it's a traffic jam [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► that's why we went to we went to Kauai [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► Hawaii yeah which seems like there's [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► like a few outposts around the rim and [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► it's been a lot of land [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► yeah and I think probably your [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► experience of of Native Hawaiians being [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like less than aloha about you don't get [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► me wrong now I mean in the same position [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► I would feel the same way [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► well you know who knows but they but [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► they probably now increasingly I mean [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► everybody there feels encroached upon [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► even the you know even the Howley's that [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► have been there 15 years feel like [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► they're the OG Holly's and they don't [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► want a new Howley's that's just the you [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► know that's true very this is true at as [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► i sit and think about it [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► do I know a person that lives anywhere [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► in the world who isn't mad about new [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► people coming [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► no no decisions have been there for a [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► couple nights you're entitled to talk [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► about how things are changing [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I'm trying to think I read something the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► other day oh it was an article about New [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► Zealand saying that there were all these [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► towns in New Zealand that were really [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► encouraging people to move there and I [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► think that they are like the you know [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► the show old sheep farming towns kinda [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► like I think I feel like there are towns [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► in Nebraska and Kansas that everyone all [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► the young people have moved away and i'm [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► not entirely sure whether the residents [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► of those towns are encouraging people to [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► move there as much as they're just [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► surrendering their just like taking deep [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► breaths of their oxygen machines and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► hoping that the Lord comes soon but in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► right at in New Zealand I feel like a [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► lot of i read this whole article about [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► like they're in currently actually like [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► incentivizing people to move to these [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► small towns [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► just because because they're losing you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► know and then the end and and the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► pictures of these places they seem [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► idyllic but anybody that's read a real [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► estate magazine knows that you can you [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► can take a pretty good picture of a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► sure but yeah maybe that's the future [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► maybe maybe maybe maybe we should move [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► to New Zealand in New Zealand flight i [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► have used in the New Zealand i'm here to [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► tell you it took me uh maybe 48 hours to [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► seriously contemplate moving there [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► did you did you go as a result of some [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► sort of thing where they had some tech [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► thing where they wanted you to come talk [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► about their inboxes it something I did [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► you go did you take all 43 folders there [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► so tired attack now I went there for a a [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► really cool conference and I did talk [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► and I cried onstage and long people [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► liked it it's kind of one of my famous [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► talks and but I you know you know it's [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► hard to tell until you've been somewhere [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► two or three times it's hard to really [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► make any kind of a saying reckoning of [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► what's happening there but there are [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► certain things about you you go [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► somewhere you get a vibe and the vibe [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► there is crazy [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► I mean first I mean the one of the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► primary things is that people there are [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► unknowingly and ironically friendly and [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► kind unknowingly friendly and kind like [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► people are nice they're not nice and [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► like an annoying way there they are [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► neighborly in some ways but not in like [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► in-your-face way second like at like [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► every cup of coffee i had there at every [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► mcdonalds I had their the only thing [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► that I had there was like just about the [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► best of that I ever had [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it takes some fucking 20 minutes to make [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► a cup of coffee and new zealand no [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► maddening it's mostly copy this is what [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► I got into espresso because they do the [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► espresso drinks there but like the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► craftsmanship of what people do there is [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► really palpable and and there's a lot of [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► like the same one again this unit I like [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► and I think about it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► nice people and a lot of civic pride [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that's this not annoying America is kind [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► of ruin civic pride for [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► a lot of countries but it's like to go [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► somewhere like you're walking around [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► Canada and everybody's got a papi [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► because its remembrance day that's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► really nice and it's not to like you [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► know have something to put on facebook [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► it's because that's what people always [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► do there you go there you go there and [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► like you know what you get for she's the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► best she's ever gotten you know America [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► has ruined civic pride for America to [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► write me I used to put and I still kind [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► of try like to pep civic pride and now [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► she can get it sometimes you go watch go [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► back to watch the video of Whitney [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► Houston singing the star-spangled banner [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► at that super bowl i'll still give you a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► little bit of a goose [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► yeah I feel like yeah America I mean I [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► say that shit I said that yesterday [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► it's a great experience we're still [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► trying yay american educator store [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► buying we're still trying [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► yeah USA but then you know and then [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► somebody like an throws a can of school [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► at me and then feel like I donk I don't [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you know this is what I was just saying [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that nothing to do with guns for the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► love of Christ how I know I know I know [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► I I with the twitter in particular you [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► know you I know you're on the facebook [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► i'm not on the facebook twitter like I [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► feel so inoculated because I don't go [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► much outside my circle but then when I [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► do I'm just I'm stunned I mean this is [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► part of my brain that likes to think the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► whole like me man [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► men's rights white power [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► anti-immigrant that whole cluster I like [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► to imagine that that is still the fringe [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► I'm not persuaded that that is so much [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► of the fringe as it used to be and it's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► kinda everywhere and it's awful and and [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► they're like they're like some kind of [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► science fiction creature where they just [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► go find they find people with a good [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► heart and try to try to destroy them and [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► through and through school after school [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► yeah I mean there's millions of millions [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► and millions of people that that share [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that that cloud of ideology so much so [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► that i'm i'm intrigued now that the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► liberal media if you will hurl our [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► rather let me call it you know the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► intelligence of the thinkers are step [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► progressive thought leaders progressive [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► thought leaders are trying now [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► to write think pieces and I know how you [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► feel about think pieces and you know I [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► feel about things I loved the think [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► piece boy you know what couldn't have [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► you know paper the ground with think [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► pieces when I say a direction at work [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► for three hours here's what I learned [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► that but there are now increasingly [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► those think pieces it's sort of atlantic [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► magazine style long-form articles saying [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► wait a minute if a hundred million [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► Americans share a cosmology in which [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► these ideas you know these these uh [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► these ideas are like some kind of [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► foundational underpinning of a worldview [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► yeah i mean where it's not something [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► people tolerate quietly like certain [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► kinds of racism in the past things like [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that it's not just something is [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► tolerated it something that helps people [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► bond together people who formerly have [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► seemingly nothing in common and what we [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► thought of as civil discourse there are [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► people who are finding common cause with [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► other people that in a way it's kind of [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► mind-blowing well and I think a lot of a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► lot of those cases right the what we see [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► as the as the like overt deal killing [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► racism implied in what in a lot of what [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► gets said they see as like I rolling Lee [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► unimportant small are racism that you [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► should just get over because base what [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► they're seeing in some of that action [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► and some of those theories some of those [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► philosophies is something else and a lot [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► of and the liberal side stops at the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► racism wall and says whatever's on the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► other side of this i'm not interested in [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► because the because the racism in [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► inherent in it like blocks me from going [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► further into this idea and the and the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► hundred million people who are able to [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► get through that wall who live on the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► other side of that wall are like yeah [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► racism racism but X or Y and there are [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► so many of those so many of those [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► different languages right with the the [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► gun right stuff where you know we're [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► from the left we have just arrived at a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► place where it's like if you speak [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► positively about guns [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► i I just I stopped at that fence because [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► that because on the other side of that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► fence i expect to hear rationalization [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► and justification for machine-gun [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► killings of kids in schools and the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► hundred million people on the other side [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► of that fence like yeah I got you know [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► like guns symbolize and represent this [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► other stuff and they just sort of I [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► there's this I rolling about the things [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► that matter to either side of it and [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► that end I think that there is a lot of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► what we do cast one another in the most [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► exaggerated possible role that we can [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► think as an antagonist you know that and [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► I was i I am on Facebook unfortunately [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► because I because I don't know why I [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► mean NEVER for your career [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► it gives me as much it gives me as much [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► pause as as Twitter does because you [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► know I'm I don't curate either thing [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► very well and so I just get this i just [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► get tons of of evil all the time from [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► both places and mostly the facebook evil [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► is in the form of a really really really [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► long essays about people's um like the [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► current medical treatments not really [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► evil it's just like the info and I you [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► and I feel like looking at pictures of [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► people's dogs on instagram is maybe the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► most people [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► hmm but you can't say that because now [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► i'm going to get 50 tweets from people [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► of their dogs is it does sweet precious [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► for babies but but I i'm on I i know a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► lot of people from high school and this [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► is how the conversation always starts [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► right you know a bunch of people from [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► high school yeah and support Donald [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► Trump and so I go over onto their [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► threads and lurk i'm not i'm definitely [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► not trying to argue with anybody i'm not [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► really even comment [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► the only if i do comment it will only be [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► a law because I feel like law there [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► three laws divorce the Rorschach test [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► right three laws right there's the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► there's the capital L lowercase o [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► lowercase L period that's that's law the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► sort of like grammatically correct law [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► there's law capital all caps LOL caps [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► law and then there's all work a slaw [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► l.o.l law [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► oh and that's almost like act well or it [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► can be all three of those can be [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► deployed in different ways but like I [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► routinely will carry on a conversation [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► with someone else where they are just [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► just screaming at me and i'll reply with [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► throughout the conversation all three of [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► those loans right like you deploy your [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► laws and then I'm like law and then at [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the enemy wall and it's fucking amazing [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► law is I know there's a lot of people [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► that that still have not gotten on board [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► the law train for a full and the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► wrongful train kept it on the raffle [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► trick but ruffle kind of went away [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► didn't it [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► roffle was so great for so long roll on [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► the floor laughing yes absolutely and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► ruffle ruffle ruffle because it sounded [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like the Hamburglar but now but so are [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► you love lamb burger ruffle butt so i'm [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► working on these facebook threads of of [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► high school friends and there are and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► there's this like there's a lot of humor [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► in there in this group of guys who are [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► supporting Donald Trump guys and gals [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► right i mean it's very much like its its [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► cultural rather than gender there are a [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► lot of oh yeah woman who a massive Trump [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► fans and there's a there's a ton of [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► humor and a light heartedness about the [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► way they talk but the humor right away [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► is of a style of humor that we on the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► other side of the cultural fence have [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and we characterize that now is punching [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► down right its humor at the expense of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► other people it's a no and so much of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► the humor is like why can't you take a [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► joke style but the people who feel that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► they're they are aggrieved it's anything [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► but punching down [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► yeah exactly right i mean they're [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► they're under assault because you know [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► because there are good god bless I wish [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► you get again have the days where that [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► was considered punching down but now [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► there's blocks everywhere in lying lying [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► dishonest Hillary well and you know and [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► also like there are only whatever a [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► billion Christians in the world some of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► course there are minority and when you [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► look at growth that curve what killing [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► Jesus but you know the thing is that the [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► that all of those people on my facebook [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► page would probably identify as [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► Christian but they're not they're not [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► bible thumpers they are very different [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► from like an eighties feel ya there do [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► beer-drinking hellraisers right there [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► are Alaskans who got big trucks and they [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► like to shoot guns and fuck the world [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► and you know and they're fun they think [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► of themselves as fun and their support [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► of Trump only other fun and they can [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► take it they can't take a joke [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► exactly and and the thing is you know [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► you and I were raised in in a culture [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► where the why can't you take a joke [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► style of bullying was the norm and [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► somehow through the course of our lives [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► we've arrived at a place where hey you [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► know why can't you take a joke style [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► bullying is sort of like a pretty bad [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► way of socializing people it is but is [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► also but if i remember correctly [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► especially amongst family members and as [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► a young person's young man i think they [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► meant to be helpful [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► where is like a poli aside thing Hey [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► look man you learn how to take a fucking [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► joke [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► sticks and stones will break your bones [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► yeah like maybe don't keep bugging the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► cabdriver about racist jokes like [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► fucking dial it down [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► well and so all of my facebook pals [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► which is to say my friends from high [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► school I mean the only people online who [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► follow me who avidly disagree with me or [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► my high school friends are trolls right [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► and indexes and well know that my none [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of my ex-girlfriends are on social media [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► was that was that part of the the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► agreement [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► no I for many many years every woman I [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► dated was growing and you don't get the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► lens that didn't it had nothing to do [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► with me it was just like I was attracted [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► to lights and and and i don't know why [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► right i mean every girl I ever dated had [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the thing that attracted to me a [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► attracted me to her from across the room [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► was something on the order of like that [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► girl have leaves in her hair done just [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► got strong bones returns veteran she [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► knows how to take a fucking joke [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► yeah why why does she have leaves in her [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► hair and I walked over to my sleeves and [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► she'd say fuck you can a bad can it be [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► should we take this is full now on you [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► take a third location and good life [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► intrigued by you tell me more about your [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► leaves so i can't be on to something [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► there some girls if in my past some ex [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► girlfriends that I would just like to [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► talk to because it's like a it's been 15 [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► years just checking in the only way I [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the only even like way I have of knowing [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► anything about their continued existence [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► is that some friend of a friend of hers [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► is on facebook and every once in a while [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► there are some something float by where [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it's like oh that's you know i'm [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► following her friend of a friend I see [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► some picture of the back of her hair and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► I'm like I know those leaves [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► that's right somebody put photo Tammy [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► anything about Tammy Tammy but but yeah [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► so that so what what I find over there [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► in that world is like there is a [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► tremendous feeling of togetherness and [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► lightheartedness and feeling like [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► they're the only people left in the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► world who have even a reasonable outlook [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► on life and that over here in the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► liberal like we're all a bunch of in the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► on the liberal side of the fence [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► we're all a bunch of thumb suckers and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► concern trolls basically like what are [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► we so been added [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► about wellness and again the implicitly [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► i'm going to keep making this about [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► perceived status but what do we have to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► be mad about especially because we're on [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the ascent we're the ones who get to [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► redefine the idea of you know gender not [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► being digital and things like that [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► where's your fucking everything up like [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► we're not allowed to be mad yeah we are [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► the ones imposing an agenda [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► yeah and and the and the and that [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► informs their narrative about the things [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► that are on their agenda are either [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► status quo things that they would like [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► to maintain or things that they [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► perceived to have been traditional [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► things which have been encroached upon [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► that they would like to regain that turf [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► but they think about themselves as just [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► holding the line of what normal is [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► and they they see us on the other side [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► pushing what and you hear this term all [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► the time radical agenda [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► yeah but it is you know it is an [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► encroaching agenda so when I when I you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► know when i hear that litany of [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► descriptions of the of people that [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► represent now millions and millions and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► millions and millions of millions of [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► people I i have to resist my own like [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► knee-jerk reaction to say like they're [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► all idiots right and try and get inside [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► that culture a little bit and be like [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► what is it like from in here and if you [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► think about all those people are the [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► Trump rallies that we look like to look [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► at and just go like oh my god they're [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► the worst [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► they're the worst with their you know [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that the only thing missing is a [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► baseball hat with two beer cans in it [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► and fuckin straws coming down but from [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► within that trump rally they think of [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► themselves as having a blast [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► yeah and Trump is having a blast that's [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► it's a monster truck show [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it's a monster truck show and we and and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► from the outside we look like a bunch of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► just joyless grave like can't take a [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► joke don't appreciate this is this is [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► people whose lives have been until it's [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► a little bit like the whole states [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► rights things kind of played out again [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► was like hey we have all this worked out [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► you're going to stay off our ship we [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► start your shit and of course that [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► never the case and so you know we not [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► only are we the aggrieved party if we [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► should choose to look at it that way but [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► like we have a sense of humor we see [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► like you sit there and like you have I [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► just listened to three episodes of a [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► podcast about how horrible life will be [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► at Donald Trump becomes president is [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► very good podcast called the truck cast [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► but i highly recommend very good it's [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► very opinionated and it's very well done [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► but like people look at that and go on [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► my god and but what they think what they [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► also see is they see how scared we are [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► they see how how terrified and powerless [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► so many people feel and like that's all [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► the more reason to start pulling for [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that particular pro wrestler [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► it's like holy shit somebody finally put [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► a scare into John Roderick a that fucker [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► up all the dog the dog can smell your [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► fear [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► yeah right but you know i was on a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► conference call earlier today within a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► city agency and it was a group of [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► probably 20 people talking into a [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► probably 18 of them were sitting around [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► a conference table and I was laying in [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► bed talking to them with a with my [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► podcast and that is all around that's it [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► that's it to rip this a terrific way to [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► get a lot of stuff does just get but [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► people are really the speakerphone [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► yeah and at one point there someone [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► spoke up and said our you know we're [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► looking for people to participate in [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► this event it's you know the event is [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► targeted at you know young women of [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► color and so and as the perfect [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► describing it [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► she sort of says as an aside to the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► people in the room like so anyone here [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► that wants to get involved in this [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► please you know talk to me after the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► meeting and sorry we're not really [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► looking for any sis males mhm and within [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the context of this conversation that [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► was you know like yeah [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► self-evidently right you're looking for [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► people that can identify and though and [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► in particular people that these young [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► women can identify with right that's the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that that is the element that's missing [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► that's why this event is even happening [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► because these young women of color are [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► not represented they don't see they [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► don't have role models the same way and [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► and we're trying to now build these [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► institutions where there where there are [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► these mentoring relationships but from [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► from within a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► what is the answer to that what from the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► men's rights organizations or the gamer [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► Gators to what you two huge problems [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► problem number one is you're excluding [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the people who are never allowed to be [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► excluded in second you're using a term [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► that they find unnecessary and [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► potentially offensive exactly right i [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► mean it is kind of more than one thing [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's not just roll your eyes over this [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► neologism it's that oh my god I can't [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► believe you have the temerity to leave [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► us out and then to use this faggot name [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► for us [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► well that and and and the way that that [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► would then the way that they would the [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► way that argument would coalesce is well [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► what would happen if I said that we were [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► having a meeting and no women color [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► right and it's what we have when we have [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► a men's government clock right like the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► flow you mean every meeting and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► everything that's ever happened 453 [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► there's a lot of cooking for 50 years [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► but but that is there is a you know [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► there's a libertarian logic to that [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► which is no regulation of any kind is [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► the purest form of life and as soon as [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► you start instituting rules then you're [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► already on the way to talat arianism [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► especially if those rules are about me [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► right if those rules affect me or or [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► three reasons it's amazing how rarely [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► people who self-identify as libertarians [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► are fighting to have things lifted from [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► people aren't them well yeah right [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► because if there were no rules about who [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► could go to meetings uh then it would [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► just be back to a question of their [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► ethnic bites you never think that's [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► exactly right like like and then it and [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► and i think i think affirmative action [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► as an ocean was the moment at which [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► some number of of some number of [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► carriages on the train of progress just [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► got unhooked because it was a leap of [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► logic a leap of of of like like a kind [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► of faith or a an understanding the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► understanding that redress is even [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► possible and that redress would be [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► beneficial to all that is that's a [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► that's oh right right to not frame it as [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► like a handout to get these people off [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► our back but rather something that could [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► improve the culture and society for [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► yeah that that that the the benefits of [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► affirmative action the benefits of equal [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► rights for all are not a they're not a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► machine to two newly privilege another [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► group over you they're they're not [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► taking anything away from you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it's it is an attempt to continue to [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► perfect to the notion of the American [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► experimented that can it's a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► continuation of a of a of progress that [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► we've made throughout time that benefits [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► everyone because progress benefits [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► everyone and the the more you know we [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► have watched well disseminate and we [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► were so were so consumed with how wealth [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► is concentrated right now and it is it's [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► it's like it unfairly grossly [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► concentrated in the in the one-percent [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► but the fact is compared to even 60 [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► years ago when people were still [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► routinely starving to death around the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► world in you know number in numbers that [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► would astonish you even now to look at [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► you know we have we as a as a human as a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► human race through technology and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► through democracy have turned to the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► earth truly into a [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► into a garden of Plenty and people now [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► live life expectancy has doubled and the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► and education has doubled in or you know [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► like people are are so much more [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► educated and cared for then maybe I'm [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► just think about medical care for old [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► and young people [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► yeah then the amount of things that we [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► know to avoid doing so we don't die as [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► young and you know something does happen [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► we have ways to treat stuff that didn't [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► exist 50 years ago a life expectancy of [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► people in 1900 was about 40 but it [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► wasn't meant for fifteen yeah you know [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► and so so with that in mind you know you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► can just make this this case that this [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► combination of science and philosophy [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► science on the one hand you know [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► improving them are material life and and [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► philosophy on the other sort of [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► improving our like agency our political [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► agency are belonging and I mean by that [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► political philosophy and also you know [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the philosophy of the mind and that case [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► that you know that case of affirmative [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► action in that case of social justice [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► which in the context of like reparations [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► just naturally a defends the people who [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► aren't making a philosophical lead it [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► offends them because they say well my [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► grandfather had hard migrate [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► nobody-nobody i mean we had a [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► hardscrabble life nobody ever gave me [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► for money [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► yeah where's my parade right like my [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► great-grandparents came over from [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► Ireland and they didn't you know they [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► didn't riot or whatever that that logic [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► of the logic where you're only seeing [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► reparations in in terms of like a [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► cash-out or or an unfair advantage being [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► afforded to you rather than seeing it as [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► like part of this grand experiment how [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► are we try [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► to create what are our theories about [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► political science where we can we can [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► raise the bar for everybody and now [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► we're at a place where that has been so [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► poorly explained that we've lost we've [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► lost half the country and I and I do put [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► the blame on the Intelligencia the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► Academy for lack of a better description [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► for having done such a poor job of [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► articulating what the project and i [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► think within academia because within [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► academia they also perceived themselves [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► to be a threatened minority who write [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the the college life and the and the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► ivory tower folks saw themselves as [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► revolutionaries 20 at war against a a a [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you know a majority of dummies and so [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► they you know they used the the same [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► inflammatory language of resistance and [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► and and war that we were we were under [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► siege and we were going to we were going [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► to take it to the level of like we were [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► going to him in in a lot of ways impose [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► these theories because if people didn't [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► like it they could suck it right like if [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► you didn't like it too bad for you this [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► is what's right [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► this is what's right for you and no and [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► the and the and trying to get people to [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► rally which is what we need [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► trying to get people to understand and [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► and get on board that crucial step the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► Academy stop even pretending and so now [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► we fit we failed utterly failed to to [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► get everybody to understand what what [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► we're trying to accomplish and and you [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► know and and it's and a lot of that is [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► understandable [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► that but you and I have talked about [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► this a lot every single group of people [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► feels like they are the money minority [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► yep and they all feel like they have to [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► defend they have to defend themselves [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► and then I think the many people really [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► do it let's put this way there's not [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that many people one of my old saws is [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like I don't think there's that many [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► people in existence today that would [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► describe themselves as stupid and I [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► don't think there's actually that many [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► Americans who would describe themselves [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► as being one commonly fortunate and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► privileged that's changing a little bit [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► but i think this they're still [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► everybody's got their reasons for why [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► they think the way they think and do the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► way they do and based on strong feelings [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► and anecdotes and traditions and things [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► like that there's the minutes but that's [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that's always been the case it's just we [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► we always see the log in somebody else's [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► I but the other part of this that i [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► think is another failing of benefits the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► academia but the failure of all people [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► but im gonna have it fall harvest on the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► Liberals is our inability he described [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► how old is getting racist shut it down [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► like this is getting like you're [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► obviously you have done so you're an [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► idiot shut it down like there's a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► failure of imagination i think on the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► liberal side and failure of empathy to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► understand why people are saying what [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► they're saying in the way that they are [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► saying it and the fact that we disagree [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► strongly with the very top level of how [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► they present themselves and what the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► rhetoric is and choosing not to play by [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the same rules that we do in terms of [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► you know online discourse or discourse [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► in general I think that leads to a very [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► dangerous lack of empathy of not [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► actually listening to what these people [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► are saying because when you actually [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► read these pieces about people who go [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► into a Donald Trump rally for example [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► it's frequently extremely interesting [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► where you want this person meets people [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► they genuinely like like weirdos that [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► they like inside of a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► but you know what gets reported fairly [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► is the one person who yells hang the [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► bitch in clinton is named the problem is [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► you hear that often enough and you're [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► gonna get the feeling that that you're [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► gonna make all this and try to defend [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► Donald Trump what i am saying there's a [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► lot more going on than just we love [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► Donald Trump Donald Trump is the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► figurehead for 4,000 different hydras [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► and like to think that that's all the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► same people with the same for you and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► you just put this this and this big pile [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► of dumb people who don't get it and I [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► don't like you're missing out on a lot [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► of stuff did you read that New Yorker [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► article III think I've read all the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► articles and there's one with a guy when [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there's the the one guy there who was [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► into chemtrails it was handing out [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► bottles of water that while i'm sorry [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► you're reading my blog [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► no no this guy from the New York did one [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► of those wonderful new yorker pieces [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► where he was just like I'm just gonna go [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► to this Trump rally and see if I can [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► make any friends and he did you know [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► what I see and he had that thing where [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► he's where he would say because he was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► only want to build a wall and he would [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► say well what about this one a situation [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► where this gal was born or you know i [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► was born in America or well I'm sorry [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► was born in Mexico but brought to [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► America when she was three months old [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► and uh and got a parking ticket and now [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► she's being deported and almost [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► everybody he asked was like oh well I [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► mean and the first thing they said was [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► issued a good person [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► yeah right well she's a good person then [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► we should figure out it means there [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► should be exceptions certainly you know [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► like in each case there their initial [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► their initial argument of like build a [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► wall keep them out but your but when you [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► do that your problem tising something [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► that seems very simple which is hey [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► we're here at this rally to talk about [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► Matt we are like you think in a year [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► people get fuck all for Donald Trump [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► they're there because he represents a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► very very deep anger and discontentment [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► what has happened in America some of [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► which a lot of people might surprisingly [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► want to agree with a lot of stuff [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► happened between 2008 and 2010 in this [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► country that a lot of people are mad [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► about on every side of every aisle [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that's a lot of it there's a lot of the [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► losing jobs and I'm not trying to defend [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► any of this but but I think I guess what [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► I'm trying to say is that like I think [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► it's it's uniquely on smart liberals to [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► be such dealings about trying to put [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► people in a box that they can understand [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► and hate at scale [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► instead of trying to actually listen to [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► what somebody is saying so in that case [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► what you just described somebody goes [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► into that rally and goes from goes from [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► being a bunch of rapist from Mexico to [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► here's this one girl that I could [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► imagine my kid knowing that changes [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► everything because now it's not about [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► people it's about eight person but we [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► rarely do the same thing with people we [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► disagree with and that's on us we are [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► making it worse when we try to demonize [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► demon eyes on the people who are we [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► don't agree with what we we don't have [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► the empathy to try to hear what's [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► happening behind what they're saying [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► we're because it's a culture that's [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► foreign to us it's like watching [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► bullfighting remembers when i'm sure we [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► can be mad about I well I know what [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► could be bad about because the Sun but [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► ain't no yeah this is the just and just [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► as you see no i was reading The Guardian [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► an article by dave eggers your daddy [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► Dave Eggers goes to a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► see that the man in front of me said he [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► was pointing to a jets white trail in [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► the sky above us [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► that's the air force is playing shit in [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the sky bigger says i'll call this man [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Jim oh good [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► any like jim was buying bottled water [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► for everybody and being eventually i I'm [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► sorry to dissemble and to be such an [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► unloyal uh you know fellow traveler at [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► such an important time but fucking [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► well yeah I'm mad about Donald Trump to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► like i think is a dangerous man but like [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► just yelling across the aisle is not [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► going to make this better [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the more things that we do to show how [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► we're right in there wrong [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► the further we dig ourselves into a [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► completely untenable situation that the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► unit on an interesting thing a second [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► ago which was thank you mean you know [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► it's rare moment that's very that's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► three for me that fuckin 206 episodes a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► rare diamond in the horse shit I don't [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► know how the horse ate the diamond don't [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► ask somebody for a diamond in a banana [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► fed to a horse like introduction and [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► then I saw it come out of the poop poop [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► chute know the idea i mean way up the [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► idea of privilege right now whenever [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► whenever someone speaks about privilege [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► there's a there's an aspect of [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► recrimination an apology in it [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► no one talks about their own privilege [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► you know it with any pride certainly on [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► our side of the fence right if you say [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the word privilege you are saying it now [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► like I mean you know in terms of white [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► privilege you have this thing and you're [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► sorry for it and you're trying to amend [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► for it you know that you that this has [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► become a term of art for a kind of [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► for a form of shame at your privilege [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and I think it gets the second but I'm [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► not interrupt the first of all I think [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► it's a little bit like acknowledging the [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► air is free and we get it yet part of it [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► is just acknowledging that is actually a [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► thing that rather than my emotions about [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► how might I feel but heard about [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► somebody calling me that then i have to [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► really stop it you know what you're [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► actually really fucking right I can walk [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► anywhere I want and I'll be fine but the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► but the issue i think in our culture at [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► large is that no one is acknowledging [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► that they are in charge [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► it's always somebody else did everyone [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► select right and and and i say this [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► about about the Liberals at as much or [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► more than anyone else [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► this this sense of being under siege [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► means that there's no intellectual [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► tradition or cultural tradition that [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► doesn't that doesn't describe itself as [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► under siege including all of the rich [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► preppy guys at the Yale Club in in New [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► York City who are kind of circling [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► around their gin and tonics and saying [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► you know they're coming at us from all [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► sides where the last of a dying breed [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► so no one in America will acknowledge [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that they are the establishment and in [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► that in everyone's failure to [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► acknowledge that they are the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► establishment [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► no one is in charge no one has to take [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► responsibility and so right now [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► effectively the liberals are the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► establishment we really are like our [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► candidate is going to win the presidency [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and our candidate has been the president [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► for the last eight years and liberal [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► ideas are ascendant and have been for a [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► long time now we feel under assault [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► because there are hundreds of millions [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► of people or you know a hundred and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► fifty million people on the other side [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► of the aisle who are throwing a spit [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► wads at us right and who want guns to be [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► unregulated and who want abortion to be [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► illegal and etc etc etc [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► and they are the there the other side of [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► the of the aisle but really they benefit [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► from liberal ideas to and the degree to [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► which they acknowledge that or don't is [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► just a failure of of language or you [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► know it's a failure of of comprehension [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► more than anything but at some point the [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► people with privilege who are for all [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► intensive purposes every American [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► listening to this podcast regardless of [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► race or gender you have electricity in [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► the computer we yeah and you are smart [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► enough to be listening to me and tony [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► award-winning broadcaster on the line [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► yeah right you are the intellectual a [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► 10-percent we are your the reason we do [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► it you know what it's all for you and [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► the kids for the kids but 22 to accept [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► that mantle and to say i am part of the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► leading one part of the leadership and I [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► have a responsibility not to think of [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► myself constantly as a victim and [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► constantly under siege [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► I have a responsibility to be the adult [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► in the room and to say here are our [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► ideas and why they make sense [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► here's the larger world we're trying to [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► cut to construct it's a world where [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► fairness does predominate it's a world [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► where a rising tide does lift all boats [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and it's some version of you know [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► socialistic capitalistic Democratic you [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► know uh like a like a secular whatever [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► this this cloud of ideas that we all [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► sort of bathe in and pick and choose [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► grapes from took two to create a world [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► view that we can proudly hold up and say [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► you know I do have privilege it is the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► privilege of being a person in this [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► culture who is responsible for for this [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► world home trying to me [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► yeah and that a that shouldering of the [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► burden and refusal to think of yourself [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► as [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► as someone who is who's constantly in a [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► posture of defense is also a leap like a [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► like a intellectual and spiritual lead [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► and it isn't to say you don't say the [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► word privilege with with a tonne of [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► apology you say I'm privileged to be [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► able to say the following things right [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► I'm privileged to be able to come to you [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► today and described the world i imagine [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► and the world we collectively are trying [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► to imagine and I I feel like over time [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► the way to to to have this experiment [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► not devolved into what it is you know [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► what we're all afraid it's doing right [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► now which is just this like two nations [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► scenario where in order to get from [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► Seattle to Minneapolis you're gonna have [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► to fly over hostile territory or have a [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► passport right to go up to code frost [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► red state land before going into cloak [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► mode you know and like Minneapolis and [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► and and chicago or kind of up there and [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► it's weird like lake Lake down town [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► country that goes up to ontario um in [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► order to in order to not have that [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► happen we we just and we're the ones [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► that have to do it we have to make a [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► better case we have to articulate a case [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► that isn't from our own our own state of [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► victimization but a case that is [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► encompassing that says listen you guys [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► we're not trying to be humorless drudges [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► here we're not trying to force you to [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► all be gay that it sucks we don't want [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► you to be getting really don't want you [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► to because we just want the game ones of [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► you to be happy [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► that's good friends right come on [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► yeah but they're gonna be three students [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► interested in this idea though the the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► tickle taking leadership just kind of [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► grabbing it you know being the one's [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► gonna love you know let it begin with me [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► i'm gonna run this meeting [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► yeah very very interesting idea you know [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► acknowledging that you already have that [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► you're already [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► kind of running the meeting that's [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that's a strangely existential i like it [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► i gotta i was i I tweeted out a an ex of [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► mine is the gal that spearheading the [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► shout your abortion movement and i [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► retweeted one of her tweets and I got a [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► reply on facebook from a guy that I went [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► to college with and i went to a Catholic [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► College for a couple years and this [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► friend of mine is a big big burly kind [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► of you know Irish Catholic I taller than [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► me bigger than me like a bit many i know [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► right well that's his name Jimmy Jimmy o [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► O'Shaughnessy not attracted and he has I [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► should you not eight kids [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► hope is a clean a nap and he has a [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► little darling kids ranging in age from [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► Lee 24 comes from 0 to 11 and he's uh [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► he's a what [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► he's a what [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the guy hilarious guy he comments on my [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► facebook page all the time he's a [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► liberal guy he's a funny guy but he is [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► anti-abortion mhm and he's anti abortion [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► because every life is sacred and that is [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► that is a worldview right it's alex katz [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► got their reasons I mean it's an [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► accompanying worldview and it begins at [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► up at an initial premise which is every [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► life is sacred and that sacredness comes [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► from its from the fact that there is a [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► soul to where we are we are essentially [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► stewards of those lives right and from [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► their perspective like like just as we [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► just as we look back at our founding [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► fathers and go how could they possibly [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► have had slaves and simultaneously been [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► writing these you know these like [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► Florida and beautiful dark it's almost [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► like they're from a different time it's [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► like they're from a different time that [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► different values so we Catholics are our [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► there's a large proportion of the [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► philosophical Catholics whoo-hoo imagine [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► some future day when people will look [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► back in time and say how could we have [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► sat how could our forefathers of SAT [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► idly by during this genocide of souls [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► but also at the same time if I may [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► compare the amount of volunteer time [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► five of your ne5 your friends spent vs [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► in average sampling of five people from [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► your local parish people who are like it [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► tremendously involved in good causes and [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► like trying to be Stewart's of trying to [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► trying to fit a certain New Testament [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► idea of good works right right well and [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► and and again i say i'm saying they're [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► not bad he's up an end up in a tower [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► with some sandwiches and toilet paper [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► taking shots of people you know [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► no they're not bad you know there and [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► and I and I and this guy is just one of [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► thousands of people i know on that side [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► of the fence you know who and some of [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► them are really really philosophical but [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► it begins at this initial premise and so [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► he wrote on my facebook page you know [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► can I please ask you to take this post [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► down in respect of the millions of souls [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► that are you know that and then and he [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► used some inflammatory language at that [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► point [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► you know a few a few adjectives like it [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► but equivalent to you putting up a [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► picture of Auschwitz on an elie wiesel [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► page [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► yeah like you come onto that that's not [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► cool but he's he's a friend of mine he [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► respects me he follows me he is you know [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► he's one of what i would consider to be [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► my or season in my orbit and this and I [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► and I got into his sandbox right and [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► he's a supporter of obama and hillary [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► but this is his mhm yeah you know his [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► little like core issue at the center of [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► his world at the center of his vision of [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► the world and and I wrote him back very [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► bright [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► I didn't write him back because we're [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► living in this shit world where all I [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► did was comment on his golf ball that's [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► like David well I didn't write him back [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► on market center taper like they should [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► wall said I gave him all three laws no i [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► didn't know it's like be the Holy [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► Trinity that he lost the Father the Son [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► of the nominee domini time fav by [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► running back and said listen you know [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► like in all honesty we have a different [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► different foundational idea of the value [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► of human life and I do not share your [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► view that every life is sacred and so [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► forth at the second s of that life [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► Trump's this other right now should I [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► consider pretty important but within [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► that like you have to acknowledge you [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► have to just if you're if you're going [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► to if you're going to get into that wait [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► until you have to just say like I [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► because if you say that like there is a [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► small amount of sacredness to a life and [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► it doesn't and it's not equivalent to [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► the right and is a spectrum of sacred [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► yeah make your own choices [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► there's not really it's like you have to [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► say good to yourself sacred sacred [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► you're pulling the sacred card when you [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► say it's sacred [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► like that'sthat's taking it from like em [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► don't curse on Sunday don't masturbate [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► after [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► 911 this is more like no sacred that's [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► that's a different kind of thing [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► yeah well and it's and it's equivalent [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► to like why do we why if we kill [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► somebody when they're one-month-old is [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► it murder and when that when there 8 [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► months old in the woman's not murder [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► we have in we have within us we have [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► made within our laws and within our [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► minds some uh honestly some pretty [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► arbitrary decision about what almost [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► everything is there are many spectra in [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► life in there are hard decisions to make [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► about spectrum but if you act like [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► there's not a spectrum not sure [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► science is gonna hold up so well and so [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► but they're so there's a spectrum right [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► and a lot of that is is legal and a lot [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► of it is moral and your point of view [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► almost every decision anyone has ever [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► made is arbitrary they well they [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► certainly they are because in a natural [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► state [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► we're just I mean we're just pray for [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► tigers right but where you know it like [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► if you think about think about humans in [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► their natural state or whatever I mean [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► that's where we're so far down the river [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► from that but yeah we're in our [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► decisions are predicated on prior [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► decisions and the whole idea of [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► secretness is predicated on a condom on [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► monotheism which is evolved from those [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► there that there is there is a God whose [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► will is knowable and it's our [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► responsibility as the Stewart's of that [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► truth to make sure that that is enacted [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► in every conceivable way on earth then [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► that there's there's a lot of you're [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► making a lot of lily pad leaps to get to [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► and it's just like you know what is God [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► he's a silverback gorilla who's jealous [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► of the smaller girl that's from Monday [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► cards first meditation so so I wrote him [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► and I said you know we're just this is [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► we're just foundationally going to be [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► work we're never going to come to an [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► accord on this because I don't share [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► your view that human life is sacred and [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► and the problem is that you that the [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► people who who have a belief that human [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► life is sacred they believe that all a [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► all laws and morals that that we live [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► live according to proceed from that [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► initial premise why be good to each [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► other as human life is sacred [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► why do we not kill and rape and Eve [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► because life is sacred you you proceed [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► from that initial idea i get the [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► chickens involved with the pig is [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► committed [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► mm you know think that see that seems [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► like a like a Garfield quote you know [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► that saying no chicken the chicken then [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► goes the tickets hey you know what we [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► should start breakfast restaurant and it [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► takes is no way in the the hands like [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► why not [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► and then the pics as well you know [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► you're involved but I'm committed [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► yeah that's right you're involved but [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► i'm committed hands exactly right so so [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► the harder case actually falls to the [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► liberal in that situation to say i do [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► not believe i do not have a foundational [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► belief that every life is sacred and yet [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► I believe in morality and law and those [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► things stem from some costume case some [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► initial case that we have we have yet to [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► describe em like why in it if if you [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► take away the idea that life is sacred [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► and that we have that there's a [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► monotheistic God why be good to each [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► other and the liberal case is constantly [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► to say no we are making this argument [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► from the rights of man that that that [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► are that are operatory that these are [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► self-evident rights and you know and [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► this is all this all proceeds from from [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► a card and lock and jefferson and [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► Augustine or whatever you know like like [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► it so it is the theory it's the [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► philosophy of history and it's happened [TS]