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Ep. 206: "The OG Haoles"

 

00:00:00   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/0">TS</a>]

00:00:04   LOL hi John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4">TS</a>]

00:00:08   I'm Merlin how's it going so good so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/8">TS</a>]

00:00:12   SuperDuper super mm-hmm a different day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/12">TS</a>]

00:00:19   different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20   yeah right it's not it's not too early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/20">TS</a>]

00:00:24   it's not to monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/24">TS</a>]

00:00:26   oh it is just what it is I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   ready for you is that right huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   that can't be true I'm treating myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/31">TS</a>]

00:00:32   today to add this new thing i'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   called the taste of my youth when I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   and I revisit case of my youth so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   now I'm having a a 6 ounce can of dole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/39">TS</a>]

00:00:44   pineapple orange juice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   mmm god is good all from concentrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/46">TS</a>]

00:00:51   yeah right no comes in a can see no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55   is that something that you you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   had as as you this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   this is the my Madeline mighty is a in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   gym class in tenth grade we had a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/63">TS</a>]

00:01:07   dispenser you know i got like a pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   machine but it dispensed juice and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   was this brain was called Bluebird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   Bluebird orange juice which I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   heard of anywhere else and was orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   juice that mostly tastes like pineapple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/79">TS</a>]

00:01:20   and I always enjoyed it but I think when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/80">TS</a>]

00:01:23   you get the concentrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/83">TS</a>]

00:01:24   you know you get a lot of get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/84">TS</a>]

00:01:25   pineapple aspect to it well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/85">TS</a>]

00:01:26   thing what is a pineapple concentrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   orange oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   move move move I never thought of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/93">TS</a>]

00:01:33   yeah sure you take a bunch of orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   well this is what God did ya oranges was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   the fourth day third day and scrunched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   it scrunch it into an armadillo he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   goes it goes into the pineapple yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   then took a cactus and stuck it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   armadillos but I learned so much from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   you every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/108">TS</a>]

00:01:49   yeah well that's the thing about science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/109">TS</a>]

00:01:50   me mhm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   you know you don't die encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   pineapples like you used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/114">TS</a>]

00:01:55   I think pineapples like like people & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/115">TS</a>]

00:01:58   gorilla suits quicksand I think it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/118">TS</a>]

00:01:59   be a thing with the seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/119">TS</a>]

00:02:00   well you know in the seventies I spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   lot of time in hawaii as we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   about probably either many times or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   Never and in hawaii in the seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/126">TS</a>]

00:02:12   there were pineapple fields as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/132">TS</a>]

00:02:15   the eye could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/135">TS</a>]

00:02:16   fields forever it was by him fields [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   forever living was easy with eyes closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/138">TS</a>]

00:02:22   and it was like one of the great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/142">TS</a>]

00:02:26   about going to Hawaii it was sugar cane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   and pineapples this kind of this i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   their plantations but but it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/151">TS</a>]

00:02:35   part of the culture there and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   that stuff is gone now you go to Y in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   there no there's no sugarcane there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42   no pineapples really really because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/162">TS</a>]

00:02:45   just so much cheaper to grow that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   elsewhere you know in China or well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   don't think they grow pineapples and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/170">TS</a>]

00:02:51   well they will but not getting enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   they found you know dole pineapple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   conglomerate inc gbh who found enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/177">TS</a>]

00:03:05   places in Central and South America i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   think in Africa probably where they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   set out what we'll just we'll grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   pineapples here and now those a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   those fields and why are either fallow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   or I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20   it's kinda weird to go there and not see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   that stuff and I don't even understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/202">TS</a>]

00:03:26   why they just didn't let the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/206">TS</a>]

00:03:27   pineapples grow wild although i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   know what wild pineapples like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   that this is an interesting thing it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   digital turns out because for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   time we we heard about talked about peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   oil and we be talking about the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   that there would be a point when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43   would reach more than fifty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   the oil that could be gotten from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/225">TS</a>]

00:03:48   earth and then after that point it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/228">TS</a>]

00:03:49   become much more cost much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   expensive which led to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   interesting discussions I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/232">TS</a>]

00:03:53   basically paraphrasing what's-his-name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   counselor but great look but the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   that like this little hustler magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   represent our i was injured his legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   career back on select yeah good old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/242">TS</a>]

00:04:05   counselor Cody look with the glasses on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   the glasses on top of his head and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08   the third pair of glasses yeah the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   glass that cool hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11   let's go look at but you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:15   read that stuff which I found very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   absorbing in the 2,000 there's the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/257">TS</a>]

00:04:20   that so well setting aside slavery so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   much of what happens in America in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   last hundred fifty at least years is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   on incredibly cheap energy that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   don't mean just the idea that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/272">TS</a>]

00:04:33   we could not you cannot have walmart be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   walmart without ships running on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   know relatively cheap fuel and so must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/279">TS</a>]

00:04:42   have changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/282">TS</a>]

00:04:43   actually i'm reading a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/283">TS</a>]

00:04:44   walmart so i kind of have walmart on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   brain right now but that's changed now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   walmart has become extremely interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49   in environmental sustainability not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   least because it's cheaper now and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54   but then the fuel prices went down so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   like like what happens i mean there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   our economy going to get all wackadoodle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/298">TS</a>]

00:04:59   just continue to be wackadoodle based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   these kinds of prices of fuel and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   how could you not get pineapple from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   way that just seems weird i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   if this question here i'm just i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   concerned i think that i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   other factors are labor is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   expensive in Hawaii and there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   more regulation in Hawaii because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   America and you know grand land is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   expensive and got increasingly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   expensive and it's just you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/323">TS</a>]

00:05:26   you're talking about a multinational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   corporation that's like how do we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   how do we make 10 million pineapples as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   cheaply as we possibly can and and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   fuel prices are low and we can fill up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   exxon valdez for pineapples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   that's my drinking and true when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/341">TS</a>]

00:05:44   know because it's already expensive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/344">TS</a>]

00:05:45   get pineapples from Hawaii to anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   yeah it's not that much more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   to get them from nicaragua or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   probably from Nigeria I don't know I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   know I keep throwing these I'm look I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/355">TS</a>]

00:05:56   know I'm looking right now he's on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/356">TS</a>]

00:05:57   own we're going pineapples room but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   you need you need water you need hot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   can have high and you needed any ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/363">TS</a>]

00:06:06   costa rica costa rica there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   different beans and then Brazil as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   2013 costa rica produces 2.7 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/370">TS</a>]

00:06:14   tons of pineapple a year huh lot of tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/374">TS</a>]

00:06:19   of pineapple yeah it looks like it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   pretty tight race between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   Philippines Brazil costa rica i found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/382">TS</a>]

00:06:26   hawaii a I i was i was not a good match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/386">TS</a>]

00:06:30   for a way i like the way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   pronounced hawaii hawaii hawaii you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   we we west coasters for a long time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   know we just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   we angle sighs everything why Hawaii why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:43   but you you put that little extra like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   Hawaii life into the patchouli sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/406">TS</a>]

00:06:51   good sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   so you went to hawaii hawaii and did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   you didn't you didn't bond with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   well here's the thing first of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   think you know this about me sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/421">TS</a>]

00:07:04   have trouble relaxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   mhm and slightly separate from that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08   have i sometimes I'm a difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   acclimate er I don't always acclimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   well or quickly like you seem like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   kind of guy you got a bag you're on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   plane you go somewhere and like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   already part of the culture here you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   it try but like it takes me awhile to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   get into I've gotten better over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   years but there was a time when we take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   me like three days to enjoy anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   that wasn't being at my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   uh-huh just shake off the like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   yeah yeah yeah but I mean why else ye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   also i felt very very foreign not least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/454">TS</a>]

00:07:39   because the people of Hawaii um don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/459">TS</a>]

00:07:44   love people coming there it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   understandable it's not the warmest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   welcome and also I didn't like the food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   i couldn't get with the food i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   you're either the kind of person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/473">TS</a>]

00:07:54   like Scottish food either all about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   you're like I can't believe this is food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   yeah I couldn't shave ice in the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/478">TS</a>]

00:08:01   BAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   I but that's right up your alley oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/482">TS</a>]

00:08:05   what's wonderful a about Hawaiian food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/485">TS</a>]

00:08:09   is it really is kind of a like made out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/489">TS</a>]

00:08:14   of the worst elements of like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/494">TS</a>]

00:08:15   different kinds of food right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   the worst kind of japanese food and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   worst kind of portuguese food hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   worst sort of american food and i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   it right a pile of rice with breaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/505">TS</a>]

00:08:29   chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30   mhm with a fried egg covered in gravy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/510">TS</a>]

00:08:35   no you know what i should give another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/515">TS</a>]

00:08:36   try up where I was just like this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/516">TS</a>]

00:08:39   thing and they're like oh yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   called loco moco I've been that i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   feeling loco moco mhm but Hawaii doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/524">TS</a>]

00:08:49   feel foreign to me because we went there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/529">TS</a>]

00:08:50   a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/530">TS</a>]

00:08:51   what were you why are you going there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/531">TS</a>]

00:08:52   like remind me well because in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   seventies the forty-ninth and fiftieth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:58   states had a very special relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   because right Alaska entered the united [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/539">TS</a>]

00:09:05   states in 1959 and hawaii in 1960 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/545">TS</a>]

00:09:10   they came in and I don't know in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   I always imagined they came in on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   same time bill know there-there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   brief period where there was a where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   they made flags us flags with 49 stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/559">TS</a>]

00:09:23   I don't think it was for very long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   it might we might have even been in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   pit with in 1959 to buy but there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/567">TS</a>]

00:09:31   brief period where there were the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   at 49 states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   I don't you you can double-check this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   but but uh so you know by nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/577">TS</a>]

00:09:43   seventy what both both places had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   US states for 10 years and it was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/585">TS</a>]

00:09:49   very new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50   it was also very exotic I mean Hawaii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   like do you think about why 50 or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/593">TS</a>]

00:09:54   Brady Bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   it was like us it was from my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   childhood that was the idyllic location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   Sherman my mother's entire life she all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/600">TS</a>]

00:10:03   she ever not all she wanted but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   really wanted to go on a vacation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   Hawaii it was one of those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   that was her dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   yeah sure you get a vacation to Hawaii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/609">TS</a>]

00:10:12   exactly right it just just the just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/612">TS</a>]

00:10:15   term has all this all the smell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   colitas rising up through the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   I don't think they have colinas there i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   have that I've all sort of colitas yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   i know that's that's painful and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26   information i'm alright thank you thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   for thanks for asking but when you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   about magnum p.i that you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   only 20 years after why I became a state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/633">TS</a>]

00:10:36   well you less than that right so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   still very much like new new turf and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/638">TS</a>]

00:10:42   anyway all by way of saying that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   alaska airlines and hawaiian airlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/644">TS</a>]

00:10:48   which were both sort of new ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   newish carriers that were making a play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/651">TS</a>]

00:10:55   to be bigger than just regional airlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/655">TS</a>]

00:10:58   they had this like a hundred dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/658">TS</a>]

00:11:02   ticket hundred-dollar reciprocal ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/662">TS</a>]

00:11:05   Anchorage to Honolulu damn and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   that's crazy and this understand now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   the youngsters for the millenniums my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   name's don't know from travel it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   be you were not going to go anywhere for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   less than seven hundred thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/677">TS</a>]

00:11:18   he's welfare expensive to fly it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   ended up in Alaska was you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/681">TS</a>]

00:11:26   such a different animal and it was hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/686">TS</a>]

00:11:30   to know like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   because alaska airlines had these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   a hundred-dollar tickets that were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   river they had a hundred dollar ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   at one point when I graduate from high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   school ask airlines gave every scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   every graduating senior in Alaska a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/700">TS</a>]

00:11:44   ticket to anywhere in Alaska chimney and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/704">TS</a>]

00:11:50   so you could use this ticket to go visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   somewhere like a barrow or Unalakleet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/712">TS</a>]

00:11:57   something where you would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   otherwise go right you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   go to Unalakleet for probably as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   your job but if you got a free ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/724">TS</a>]

00:12:09   why not go there and so all I left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   Alaska immediately after graduating and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   I didn't come back until after my free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16   ticket to anywhere in Alaska had expired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   but all of my friends my high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   friends all got together and flew to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   Kodiak which is like okay that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/744">TS</a>]

00:12:29   exactly the most exotic place to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   Kodiak you find out where they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   make the snuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/753">TS</a>]

00:12:34   well you write or find out where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   use the snow and they went down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/756">TS</a>]

00:12:39   Kodiak and they already had some big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   hotel room not nice hotel room I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:44   there i don't think there are any nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   hotel rooms and Cody actually they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   hotel rooms in some shitty hotel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/767">TS</a>]

00:12:50   they SAT and drank here you know drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   like a keystone and inept Keystone then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   it would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/776">TS</a>]

00:12:57   it would have been Stroh's Frank Stroh's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/777">TS</a>]

00:13:01   in their old shitty hotel room wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   trained outside for three days and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   they flew home and I was like that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   waste and they were like yeah it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   waste like they should have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   it could have gone anywhere you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   gnome yeah how many times you gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   in your life you want to know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   know I mean maybe maybe two maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   yeah 22 plus probably zero but maybe two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   I don't think i'm gonna say seven but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   went to hawaii all the time because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/804">TS</a>]

00:13:28   this hundred dollar ticket and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/808">TS</a>]

00:13:29   direct flight Anchorage Honolulu so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   just like you didn't even have to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/811">TS</a>]

00:13:32   America damn and Hawaiians came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   Alaska and at the time like a Waikiki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/815">TS</a>]

00:13:38   still had most of the stuff on Waikiki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/818">TS</a>]

00:13:42   was still like grass roof like like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/822">TS</a>]

00:13:46   know like little little shacks with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/826">TS</a>]

00:13:50   windows that were bars and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/830">TS</a>]

00:13:54   those little Tiki lanterns out front you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/834">TS</a>]

00:13:57   know the streets kind of if you want if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   you want five or six blocks off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02   waikiki you know the streets would kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   of dirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/845">TS</a>]

00:14:06   I mean it was very still just like felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/846">TS</a>]

00:14:10   like a small town they're obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   there were no the royal hawaiian was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   there they were that big Hilton was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/853">TS</a>]

00:14:14   there there were some hotels along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18   strip but if you got if you got down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   road a little ways it was just beer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/861">TS</a>]

00:14:26   know it was so hawaii and so chill and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/866">TS</a>]

00:14:31   at that point there wasn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/871">TS</a>]

00:14:32   hostility to outsiders because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/872">TS</a>]

00:14:36   you know outsiders were sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   contained you know it was like yeah if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   you came to why you went to hear but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   didn't go if you we went to my way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/882">TS</a>]

00:14:45   then and it was now it was nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   because all is all if memory serves it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   was always Honolulu and Waikiki and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/889">TS</a>]

00:14:52   he was like even in the late seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   now he was the hidden gem like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   really want to go to Hawaii gotta go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/896">TS</a>]

00:14:57   Malik's nobody threw into yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   streets were dirt for most of most of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   on Maui had little little towns right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/902">TS</a>]

00:15:05   you drive in and it's just a little it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/905">TS</a>]

00:15:06   like a little town kind of carved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   out of the out of the wild and oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/908">TS</a>]

00:15:13   it felt like a it felt like it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   was it was a paradisiacal who and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:20   you know me as a constant traffic jam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   it's still incredible don't get me wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   but it's a traffic jam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26   that's why we went to we went to Kauai [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   Hawaii yeah which seems like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/928">TS</a>]

00:15:31   like a few outposts around the rim and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   it's been a lot of land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   yeah and I think probably your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   experience of of Native Hawaiians being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/938">TS</a>]

00:15:41   like less than aloha about you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/941">TS</a>]

00:15:45   me wrong now I mean in the same position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   I would feel the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/947">TS</a>]

00:15:48   well you know who knows but they but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   they probably now increasingly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   everybody there feels encroached upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   even the you know even the Howley's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/955">TS</a>]

00:15:59   have been there 15 years feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   they're the OG Holly's and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   want a new Howley's that's just the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06   know that's true very this is true at as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   i sit and think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/969">TS</a>]

00:16:10   do I know a person that lives anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/970">TS</a>]

00:16:13   in the world who isn't mad about new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   people coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:15   no no decisions have been there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   couple nights you're entitled to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   about how things are changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20   I'm trying to think I read something the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   other day oh it was an article about New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   Zealand saying that there were all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/984">TS</a>]

00:16:27   towns in New Zealand that were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/987">TS</a>]

00:16:31   encouraging people to move there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/991">TS</a>]

00:16:34   think that they are like the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   the show old sheep farming towns kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39   like I think I feel like there are towns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   in Nebraska and Kansas that everyone all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:47   the young people have moved away and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   not entirely sure whether the residents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   of those towns are encouraging people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   move there as much as they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   surrendering their just like taking deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:58   breaths of their oxygen machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   hoping that the Lord comes soon but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   right at in New Zealand I feel like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:06   lot of i read this whole article about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   like they're in currently actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:12   incentivizing people to move to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:15   small towns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   just because because they're losing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:21   know and then the end and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   pictures of these places they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:24   idyllic but anybody that's read a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   estate magazine knows that you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:30   can take a pretty good picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:32   sure but yeah maybe that's the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   maybe maybe maybe maybe we should move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:39   to New Zealand in New Zealand flight i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:44   have used in the New Zealand i'm here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   tell you it took me uh maybe 48 hours to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:49   seriously contemplate moving there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   did you did you go as a result of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:54   sort of thing where they had some tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:55   thing where they wanted you to come talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   about their inboxes it something I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:01   you go did you take all 43 folders there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   so tired attack now I went there for a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:10   really cool conference and I did talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:14   and I cried onstage and long people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   liked it it's kind of one of my famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   talks and but I you know you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:22   hard to tell until you've been somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23   two or three times it's hard to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   make any kind of a saying reckoning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   what's happening there but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   certain things about you you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   somewhere you get a vibe and the vibe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   there is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:34   I mean first I mean the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   primary things is that people there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   unknowingly and ironically friendly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:43   kind unknowingly friendly and kind like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   people are nice they're not nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   like an annoying way there they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:52   neighborly in some ways but not in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:55   in-your-face way second like at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:59   every cup of coffee i had there at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   mcdonalds I had their the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   that I had there was like just about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:06   best of that I ever had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:07   it takes some fucking 20 minutes to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   a cup of coffee and new zealand no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   maddening it's mostly copy this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   I got into espresso because they do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   espresso drinks there but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   craftsmanship of what people do there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   really palpable and and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   like the same one again this unit I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   and I think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   nice people and a lot of civic pride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   that's this not annoying America is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   of ruin civic pride for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   a lot of countries but it's like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   somewhere like you're walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   Canada and everybody's got a papi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:35   because its remembrance day that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:36   really nice and it's not to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   know have something to put on facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   it's because that's what people always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:40   do there you go there you go there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   like you know what you get for she's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   best she's ever gotten you know America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47   has ruined civic pride for America to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   write me I used to put and I still kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:53   of try like to pep civic pride and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56   she can get it sometimes you go watch go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   back to watch the video of Whitney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:00   Houston singing the star-spangled banner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   at that super bowl i'll still give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   little bit of a goose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   yeah I feel like yeah America I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   say that shit I said that yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   it's a great experience we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   trying yay american educator store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   buying we're still trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   yeah USA but then you know and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:18   somebody like an throws a can of school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:21   at me and then feel like I donk I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   you know this is what I was just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   that nothing to do with guns for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   love of Christ how I know I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   I I with the twitter in particular you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   know you I know you're on the facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35   i'm not on the facebook twitter like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   feel so inoculated because I don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   much outside my circle but then when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   do I'm just I'm stunned I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:46   part of my brain that likes to think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   whole like me man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   men's rights white power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:53   anti-immigrant that whole cluster I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   to imagine that that is still the fringe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   I'm not persuaded that that is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:01   of the fringe as it used to be and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   kinda everywhere and it's awful and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:06   they're like they're like some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07   science fiction creature where they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   go find they find people with a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   heart and try to try to destroy them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   through and through school after school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   yeah I mean there's millions of millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   and millions of people that that share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:19   that that cloud of ideology so much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:26   that i'm i'm intrigued now that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:30   liberal media if you will hurl our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   rather let me call it you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   intelligence of the thinkers are step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   progressive thought leaders progressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   thought leaders are trying now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:44   to write think pieces and I know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:48   feel about think pieces and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   feel about things I loved the think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   piece boy you know what couldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   you know paper the ground with think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   pieces when I say a direction at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   for three hours here's what I learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:57   that but there are now increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1317">TS</a>]

00:22:01   those think pieces it's sort of atlantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   magazine style long-form articles saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:06   wait a minute if a hundred million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:10   Americans share a cosmology in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:17   these ideas you know these these uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:21   these ideas are like some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:25   foundational underpinning of a worldview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:29   yeah i mean where it's not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   people tolerate quietly like certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   kinds of racism in the past things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   that it's not just something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   tolerated it something that helps people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37   bond together people who formerly have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   seemingly nothing in common and what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   thought of as civil discourse there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   people who are finding common cause with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   other people that in a way it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   mind-blowing well and I think a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   lot of those cases right the what we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:52   as the as the like overt deal killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:58   racism implied in what in a lot of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:02   gets said they see as like I rolling Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:06   unimportant small are racism that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:10   should just get over because base what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:13   they're seeing in some of that action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   and some of those theories some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   philosophies is something else and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:21   of and the liberal side stops at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   racism wall and says whatever's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27   other side of this i'm not interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   because the because the racism in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   inherent in it like blocks me from going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   further into this idea and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:38   hundred million people who are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   get through that wall who live on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   other side of that wall are like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   racism racism but X or Y and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:50   so many of those so many of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   different languages right with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:57   gun right stuff where you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   from the left we have just arrived at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   place where it's like if you speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   positively about guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   i I just I stopped at that fence because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   that because on the other side of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   fence i expect to hear rationalization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:15   and justification for machine-gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   killings of kids in schools and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   hundred million people on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:21   of that fence like yeah I got you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   like guns symbolize and represent this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:28   other stuff and they just sort of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   there's this I rolling about the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:34   that matter to either side of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:38   that end I think that there is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   what we do cast one another in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:45   exaggerated possible role that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:49   think as an antagonist you know that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   I was i I am on Facebook unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:57   because I because I don't know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   mean NEVER for your career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   it gives me as much it gives me as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   pause as as Twitter does because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:09   know I'm I don't curate either thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   very well and so I just get this i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   get tons of of evil all the time from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   both places and mostly the facebook evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   is in the form of a really really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:24   long essays about people's um like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:27   current medical treatments not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30   evil it's just like the info and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:34   and I feel like looking at pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   people's dogs on instagram is maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:39   hmm but you can't say that because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   i'm going to get 50 tweets from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:43   of their dogs is it does sweet precious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   for babies but but I i'm on I i know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   lot of people from high school and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   is how the conversation always starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51   right you know a bunch of people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   high school yeah and support Donald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:54   Trump and so I go over onto their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   threads and lurk i'm not i'm definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:02   not trying to argue with anybody i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   really even comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:05   the only if i do comment it will only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   a law because I feel like law there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:11   three laws divorce the Rorschach test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:14   right three laws right there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   there's the capital L lowercase o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   lowercase L period that's that's law the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:25   sort of like grammatically correct law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   there's law capital all caps LOL caps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:32   law and then there's all work a slaw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:35   l.o.l law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   oh and that's almost like act well or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:41   can be all three of those can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   deployed in different ways but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   routinely will carry on a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   with someone else where they are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   just screaming at me and i'll reply with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:52   throughout the conversation all three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   those loans right like you deploy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   laws and then I'm like law and then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:00   the enemy wall and it's fucking amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:03   law is I know there's a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   that that still have not gotten on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   the law train for a full and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:11   wrongful train kept it on the raffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   trick but ruffle kind of went away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   didn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:16   roffle was so great for so long roll on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:19   the floor laughing yes absolutely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   ruffle ruffle ruffle because it sounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   like the Hamburglar but now but so are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   you love lamb burger ruffle butt so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:32   working on these facebook threads of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:36   high school friends and there are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:41   there's this like there's a lot of humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:46   in there in this group of guys who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:51   supporting Donald Trump guys and gals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   right i mean it's very much like its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:56   cultural rather than gender there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   lot of oh yeah woman who a massive Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:02   fans and there's a there's a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   humor and a light heartedness about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:08   way they talk but the humor right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   is of a style of humor that we on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:14   other side of the cultural fence have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:18   and we characterize that now is punching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19   down right its humor at the expense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   other people it's a no and so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   the humor is like why can't you take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:26   joke style but the people who feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:29   they're they are aggrieved it's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   but punching down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:32   yeah exactly right i mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   they're under assault because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   because there are good god bless I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   you get again have the days where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   was considered punching down but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   there's blocks everywhere in lying lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   dishonest Hillary well and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   also like there are only whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:50   billion Christians in the world some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   course there are minority and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   look at growth that curve what killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   Jesus but you know the thing is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   that all of those people on my facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   page would probably identify as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:02   Christian but they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   bible thumpers they are very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:07   from like an eighties feel ya there do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   beer-drinking hellraisers right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   are Alaskans who got big trucks and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14   like to shoot guns and fuck the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:15   and you know and they're fun they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   of themselves as fun and their support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:21   of Trump only other fun and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   take it they can't take a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24   exactly and and the thing is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   you and I were raised in in a culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:29   where the why can't you take a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   style of bullying was the norm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:37   somehow through the course of our lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   we've arrived at a place where hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:43   know why can't you take a joke style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:44   bullying is sort of like a pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:49   way of socializing people it is but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   also but if i remember correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:53   especially amongst family members and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   a young person's young man i think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   meant to be helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   where is like a poli aside thing Hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   look man you learn how to take a fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03   joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   sticks and stones will break your bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   yeah like maybe don't keep bugging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   cabdriver about racist jokes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   fucking dial it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   well and so all of my facebook pals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   which is to say my friends from high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   school I mean the only people online who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:18   follow me who avidly disagree with me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   my high school friends are trolls right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   and indexes and well know that my none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:27   of my ex-girlfriends are on social media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   was that was that part of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   no I for many many years every woman I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:37   dated was growing and you don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   lens that didn't it had nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   with me it was just like I was attracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   to lights and and and i don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:48   right i mean every girl I ever dated had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   the thing that attracted to me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   attracted me to her from across the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   was something on the order of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58   girl have leaves in her hair done just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:04   got strong bones returns veteran she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:07   knows how to take a fucking joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   yeah why why does she have leaves in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   hair and I walked over to my sleeves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   she'd say fuck you can a bad can it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:16   should we take this is full now on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   take a third location and good life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22   intrigued by you tell me more about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   leaves so i can't be on to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   there some girls if in my past some ex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   girlfriends that I would just like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   talk to because it's like a it's been 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   years just checking in the only way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:39   the only even like way I have of knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   anything about their continued existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   is that some friend of a friend of hers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   is on facebook and every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   there are some something float by where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   it's like oh that's you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:53   following her friend of a friend I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   some picture of the back of her hair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   I'm like I know those leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:58   that's right somebody put photo Tammy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   anything about Tammy Tammy but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   so that so what what I find over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   in that world is like there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   tremendous feeling of togetherness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13   lightheartedness and feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   they're the only people left in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   world who have even a reasonable outlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   on life and that over here in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:23   liberal like we're all a bunch of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:27   on the liberal side of the fence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   we're all a bunch of thumb suckers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:32   concern trolls basically like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   we so been added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   about wellness and again the implicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   i'm going to keep making this about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   perceived status but what do we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   be mad about especially because we're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   the ascent we're the ones who get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   redefine the idea of you know gender not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:50   being digital and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51   where's your fucking everything up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   we're not allowed to be mad yeah we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   the ones imposing an agenda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   yeah and and the and the and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:01   informs their narrative about the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   that are on their agenda are either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   status quo things that they would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   to maintain or things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   perceived to have been traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:13   things which have been encroached upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   that they would like to regain that turf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18   but they think about themselves as just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   holding the line of what normal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:24   and they they see us on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:27   pushing what and you hear this term all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   the time radical agenda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   yeah but it is you know it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:33   encroaching agenda so when I when I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:37   know when i hear that litany of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:38   descriptions of the of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   represent now millions and millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   millions and millions of millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   people I i have to resist my own like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:51   knee-jerk reaction to say like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   all idiots right and try and get inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   that culture a little bit and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:58   what is it like from in here and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:02   think about all those people are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:03   Trump rallies that we look like to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   at and just go like oh my god they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   they're the worst with their you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   that the only thing missing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   baseball hat with two beer cans in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   and fuckin straws coming down but from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   within that trump rally they think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   themselves as having a blast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   yeah and Trump is having a blast that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   it's a monster truck show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   it's a monster truck show and we and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   from the outside we look like a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   just joyless grave like can't take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:36   joke don't appreciate this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   people whose lives have been until it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   a little bit like the whole states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:42   rights things kind of played out again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   was like hey we have all this worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   you're going to stay off our ship we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   start your shit and of course that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   never the case and so you know we not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   only are we the aggrieved party if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   should choose to look at it that way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   like we have a sense of humor we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   like you sit there and like you have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:00   just listened to three episodes of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   podcast about how horrible life will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   at Donald Trump becomes president is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   very good podcast called the truck cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:06   but i highly recommend very good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   very opinionated and it's very well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   but like people look at that and go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   my god and but what they think what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   also see is they see how scared we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   they see how how terrified and powerless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:21   so many people feel and like that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   the more reason to start pulling for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   that particular pro wrestler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   it's like holy shit somebody finally put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   a scare into John Roderick a that fucker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   up all the dog the dog can smell your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   yeah right but you know i was on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   conference call earlier today within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   city agency and it was a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   probably 20 people talking into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   probably 18 of them were sitting around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   a conference table and I was laying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   bed talking to them with a with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   podcast and that is all around that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   that's it to rip this a terrific way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   get a lot of stuff does just get but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   people are really the speakerphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:56   yeah and at one point there someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:00   spoke up and said our you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   looking for people to participate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   this event it's you know the event is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   targeted at you know young women of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:14   color and so and as the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:18   describing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   she sort of says as an aside to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   people in the room like so anyone here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   that wants to get involved in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   please you know talk to me after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   meeting and sorry we're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   looking for any sis males mhm and within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:37   the context of this conversation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:41   was you know like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   self-evidently right you're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   people that can identify and though and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:49   in particular people that these young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:50   women can identify with right that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   that that is the element that's missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   that's why this event is even happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   because these young women of color are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   not represented they don't see they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:05   don't have role models the same way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   and we're trying to now build these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   institutions where there where there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   these mentoring relationships but from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:16   from within a Donald Trump rally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   what is the answer to that what from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   men's rights organizations or the gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   Gators to what you two huge problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   problem number one is you're excluding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   the people who are never allowed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:28   excluded in second you're using a term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   that they find unnecessary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   potentially offensive exactly right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   mean it is kind of more than one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   it's not just roll your eyes over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   neologism it's that oh my god I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   believe you have the temerity to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   us out and then to use this faggot name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   well that and and and the way that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46   would then the way that they would the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   way that argument would coalesce is well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   what would happen if I said that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   having a meeting and no women color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   right and it's what we have when we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2275">TS</a>]

00:38:00   a men's government clock right like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   flow you mean every meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   everything that's ever happened 453 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   there's a lot of cooking for 50 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   but but that is there is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:15   there's a libertarian logic to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   which is no regulation of any kind is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:22   the purest form of life and as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:27   you start instituting rules then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   already on the way to talat arianism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   especially if those rules are about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   right if those rules affect me or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   three reasons it's amazing how rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:39   people who self-identify as libertarians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   are fighting to have things lifted from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44   people aren't them well yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:48   because if there were no rules about who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   could go to meetings uh then it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:53   just be back to a question of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:56   ethnic bites you never think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   exactly right like like and then it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   and i think i think affirmative action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   as an ocean was the moment at which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:09   some number of of some number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:15   carriages on the train of progress just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   got unhooked because it was a leap of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   logic a leap of of of like like a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:30   of faith or a an understanding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:36   understanding that redress is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   possible and that redress would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   beneficial to all that is that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:45   that's oh right right to not frame it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   like a handout to get these people off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   our back but rather something that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   improve the culture and society for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55   yeah that that that the the benefits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57   affirmative action the benefits of equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:00   rights for all are not a they're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:04   machine to two newly privilege another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:08   group over you they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   taking anything away from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   it's it is an attempt to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:18   perfect to the notion of the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   experimented that can it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   continuation of a of a of progress that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:26   we've made throughout time that benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   everyone because progress benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   everyone and the the more you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:36   have watched well disseminate and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:40   were so were so consumed with how wealth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43   is concentrated right now and it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:47   it's like it unfairly grossly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   concentrated in the in the one-percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   but the fact is compared to even 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:56   years ago when people were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   routinely starving to death around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   world in you know number in numbers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:05   would astonish you even now to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07   you know we have we as a as a human as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10   human race through technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   through democracy have turned to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   earth truly into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:18   into a garden of Plenty and people now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:23   live life expectancy has doubled and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:27   and education has doubled in or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30   like people are are so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   educated and cared for then maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:35   just think about medical care for old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   and young people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:38   yeah then the amount of things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   know to avoid doing so we don't die as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   young and you know something does happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   we have ways to treat stuff that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   exist 50 years ago a life expectancy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   people in 1900 was about 40 but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:52   wasn't meant for fifteen yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   and so so with that in mind you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:58   can just make this this case that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:01   combination of science and philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   science on the one hand you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:07   improving them are material life and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:11   philosophy on the other sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12   improving our like agency our political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:17   agency are belonging and I mean by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:22   political philosophy and also you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   the philosophy of the mind and that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:29   that you know that case of affirmative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:33   action in that case of social justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   which in the context of like reparations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:43   just naturally a defends the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:50   aren't making a philosophical lead it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:53   offends them because they say well my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:56   grandfather had hard migrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   nobody-nobody i mean we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   hardscrabble life nobody ever gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   for money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:02   yeah where's my parade right like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   great-grandparents came over from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:06   Ireland and they didn't you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:11   didn't riot or whatever that that logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   of the logic where you're only seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   reparations in in terms of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:22   cash-out or or an unfair advantage being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:26   afforded to you rather than seeing it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   like part of this grand experiment how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   are we try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   to create what are our theories about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   political science where we can we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:39   raise the bar for everybody and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   we're at a place where that has been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   poorly explained that we've lost we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   lost half the country and I and I do put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:52   the blame on the Intelligencia the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:56   Academy for lack of a better description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:59   for having done such a poor job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   articulating what the project and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:07   think within academia because within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:11   academia they also perceived themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:14   to be a threatened minority who write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   the the college life and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:21   ivory tower folks saw themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:25   revolutionaries 20 at war against a a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:30   you know a majority of dummies and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:35   they you know they used the the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   inflammatory language of resistance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:42   and and war that we were we were under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:48   siege and we were going to we were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:52   to take it to the level of like we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:56   going to him in in a lot of ways impose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   these theories because if people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   like it they could suck it right like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   you didn't like it too bad for you this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   is what's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:08   this is what's right for you and no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11   the and the and trying to get people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   rally which is what we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   trying to get people to understand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   and get on board that crucial step the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:23   Academy stop even pretending and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:27   we fit we failed utterly failed to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30   get everybody to understand what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:36   we're trying to accomplish and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   know and and it's and a lot of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   that but you and I have talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   this a lot every single group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   feels like they are the money minority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   yep and they all feel like they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:53   defend they have to defend themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   and then I think the many people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   do it let's put this way there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:01   that many people one of my old saws is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   like I don't think there's that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   people in existence today that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   describe themselves as stupid and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:10   don't think there's actually that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   Americans who would describe themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   as being one commonly fortunate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:16   privileged that's changing a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   but i think this they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19   everybody's got their reasons for why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   they think the way they think and do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   way they do and based on strong feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   and anecdotes and traditions and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   like that there's the minutes but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   that's always been the case it's just we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   we always see the log in somebody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   I but the other part of this that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:37   think is another failing of benefits the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40   academia but the failure of all people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:43   but im gonna have it fall harvest on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:44   Liberals is our inability he described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:48   how old is getting racist shut it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   like this is getting like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   obviously you have done so you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   idiot shut it down like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   failure of imagination i think on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   liberal side and failure of empathy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   understand why people are saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:00   they're saying in the way that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   saying it and the fact that we disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   strongly with the very top level of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   they present themselves and what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:08   rhetoric is and choosing not to play by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   the same rules that we do in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   you know online discourse or discourse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   in general I think that leads to a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   dangerous lack of empathy of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   actually listening to what these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:20   are saying because when you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   read these pieces about people who go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:23   into a Donald Trump rally for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   it's frequently extremely interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   where you want this person meets people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   they genuinely like like weirdos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:33   they like inside of a Donald Trump rally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   but you know what gets reported fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   is the one person who yells hang the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   bitch in clinton is named the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   you hear that often enough and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:44   gonna get the feeling that that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:45   gonna make all this and try to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   Donald Trump what i am saying there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   lot more going on than just we love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:50   Donald Trump Donald Trump is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   figurehead for 4,000 different hydras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   and like to think that that's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:56   same people with the same for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   you just put this this and this big pile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   of dumb people who don't get it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:00   don't like you're missing out on a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   of stuff did you read that New Yorker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   article III think I've read all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   articles and there's one with a guy when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   there's the the one guy there who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   into chemtrails it was handing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:11   bottles of water that while i'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   you're reading my blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   no no this guy from the New York did one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   of those wonderful new yorker pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   where he was just like I'm just gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   to this Trump rally and see if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23   make any friends and he did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   what I see and he had that thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   he's where he would say because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   only want to build a wall and he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   say well what about this one a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   where this gal was born or you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37   was born in America or well I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   was born in Mexico but brought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   America when she was three months old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   and uh and got a parking ticket and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   she's being deported and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   everybody he asked was like oh well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   mean and the first thing they said was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   issued a good person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   yeah right well she's a good person then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:53   we should figure out it means there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   should be exceptions certainly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:56   like in each case there their initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2936">TS</a>]

00:49:00   their initial argument of like build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   wall keep them out but your but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   do that your problem tising something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   that seems very simple which is hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   we're here at this rally to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   Matt we are like you think in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   people get fuck all for Donald Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:12   they're there because he represents a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   very very deep anger and discontentment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   what has happened in America some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   which a lot of people might surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   want to agree with a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   happened between 2008 and 2010 in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   country that a lot of people are mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:26   about on every side of every aisle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   that's a lot of it there's a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   losing jobs and I'm not trying to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   any of this but but I think I guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   I'm trying to say is that like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:36   it's it's uniquely on smart liberals to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:41   be such dealings about trying to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   people in a box that they can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   and hate at scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   instead of trying to actually listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:46   what somebody is saying so in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   what you just described somebody goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:49   into that rally and goes from goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52   being a bunch of rapist from Mexico to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   here's this one girl that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   imagine my kid knowing that changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   everything because now it's not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58   people it's about eight person but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   rarely do the same thing with people we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   disagree with and that's on us we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   making it worse when we try to demonize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:08   demon eyes on the people who are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11   don't agree with what we we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12   the empathy to try to hear what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   happening behind what they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   we're because it's a culture that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   foreign to us it's like watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   bullfighting remembers when i'm sure we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19   can be mad about I well I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21   could be bad about because the Sun but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   ain't no yeah this is the just and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   as you see no i was reading The Guardian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29   an article by dave eggers your daddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:32   Dave Eggers goes to a Donald Trump rally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   see that the man in front of me said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   was pointing to a jets white trail in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   the sky above us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   that's the air force is playing shit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   the sky bigger says i'll call this man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   Jim oh good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   any like jim was buying bottled water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   for everybody and being eventually i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51   sorry to dissemble and to be such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   unloyal uh you know fellow traveler at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   such an important time but fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:58   everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   well yeah I'm mad about Donald Trump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   like i think is a dangerous man but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   just yelling across the aisle is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   going to make this better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:06   the more things that we do to show how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09   we're right in there wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10   the further we dig ourselves into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   completely untenable situation that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   unit on an interesting thing a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   ago which was thank you mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:19   it's rare moment that's very that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   three for me that fuckin 206 episodes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:24   rare diamond in the horse shit I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   know how the horse ate the diamond don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   ask somebody for a diamond in a banana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32   fed to a horse like introduction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:35   then I saw it come out of the poop poop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   chute know the idea i mean way up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:41   idea of privilege right now whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:48   whenever someone speaks about privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   there's a there's an aspect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52   recrimination an apology in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   no one talks about their own privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   you know it with any pride certainly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   our side of the fence right if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   the word privilege you are saying it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   like I mean you know in terms of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   privilege you have this thing and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   sorry for it and you're trying to amend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   for it you know that you that this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13   become a term of art for a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:17   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   for a form of shame at your privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:24   and I think it gets the second but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   not interrupt the first of all I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   it's a little bit like acknowledging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   air is free and we get it yet part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   is just acknowledging that is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   thing that rather than my emotions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   how might I feel but heard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   somebody calling me that then i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   really stop it you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   actually really fucking right I can walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:41   anywhere I want and I'll be fine but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   but the issue i think in our culture at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:47   large is that no one is acknowledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   that they are in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   it's always somebody else did everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   select right and and and i say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   about about the Liberals at as much or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:01   more than anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   this this sense of being under siege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   means that there's no intellectual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   tradition or cultural tradition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:13   doesn't that doesn't describe itself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   under siege including all of the rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   preppy guys at the Yale Club in in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:24   York City who are kind of circling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   around their gin and tonics and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   you know they're coming at us from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   sides where the last of a dying breed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   so no one in America will acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   that they are the establishment and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:40   that in everyone's failure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:44   acknowledge that they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45   establishment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:45   no one is in charge no one has to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   responsibility and so right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:52   effectively the liberals are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:56   establishment we really are like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   candidate is going to win the presidency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   and our candidate has been the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:05   for the last eight years and liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   ideas are ascendant and have been for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   long time now we feel under assault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   because there are hundreds of millions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   of people or you know a hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   fifty million people on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   of the aisle who are throwing a spit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:24   wads at us right and who want guns to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   unregulated and who want abortion to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   illegal and etc etc etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   and they are the there the other side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:37   the of the aisle but really they benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   from liberal ideas to and the degree to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   which they acknowledge that or don't is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:45   just a failure of of language or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:48   know it's a failure of of comprehension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   more than anything but at some point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:55   people with privilege who are for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   intensive purposes every American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   listening to this podcast regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   race or gender you have electricity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   the computer we yeah and you are smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:06   enough to be listening to me and tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   award-winning broadcaster on the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   yeah right you are the intellectual a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   10-percent we are your the reason we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:17   it you know what it's all for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   the kids for the kids but 22 to accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:24   that mantle and to say i am part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:28   leading one part of the leadership and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   have a responsibility not to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   myself constantly as a victim and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   constantly under siege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   I have a responsibility to be the adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   in the room and to say here are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   ideas and why they make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45   here's the larger world we're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   cut to construct it's a world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   fairness does predominate it's a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   where a rising tide does lift all boats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   and it's some version of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:59   socialistic capitalistic Democratic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:05   know uh like a like a secular whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:09   this this cloud of ideas that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:13   sort of bathe in and pick and choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:14   grapes from took two to create a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:19   view that we can proudly hold up and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   you know I do have privilege it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:25   privilege of being a person in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28   culture who is responsible for for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:33   world home trying to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   yeah and that a that shouldering of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   burden and refusal to think of yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:41   as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:42   as someone who is who's constantly in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:46   posture of defense is also a leap like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:51   like a intellectual and spiritual lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   and it isn't to say you don't say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58   word privilege with with a tonne of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:01   apology you say I'm privileged to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   able to say the following things right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:06   I'm privileged to be able to come to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   today and described the world i imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:12   and the world we collectively are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:13   to imagine and I I feel like over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:17   the way to to to have this experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:22   not devolved into what it is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   what we're all afraid it's doing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:26   now which is just this like two nations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:29   scenario where in order to get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:33   Seattle to Minneapolis you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   to fly over hostile territory or have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   passport right to go up to code frost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   red state land before going into cloak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:46   mode you know and like Minneapolis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   and and chicago or kind of up there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   it's weird like lake Lake down town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:55   country that goes up to ontario um in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3475">TS</a>]

00:58:00   order to in order to not have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   happen we we just and we're the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   that have to do it we have to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   better case we have to articulate a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   that isn't from our own our own state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:13   victimization but a case that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   encompassing that says listen you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:18   we're not trying to be humorless drudges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:22   here we're not trying to force you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   all be gay that it sucks we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:28   you to be getting really don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:29   to because we just want the game ones of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   you to be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   that's good friends right come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:37   yeah but they're gonna be three students [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   interested in this idea though the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   tickle taking leadership just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   grabbing it you know being the one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   gonna love you know let it begin with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   i'm gonna run this meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   yeah very very interesting idea you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:52   acknowledging that you already have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:53   you're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   kind of running the meeting that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   that's a strangely existential i like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   i gotta i was i I tweeted out a an ex of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:05   mine is the gal that spearheading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09   shout your abortion movement and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:13   retweeted one of her tweets and I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:19   reply on facebook from a guy that I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:23   to college with and i went to a Catholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:24   College for a couple years and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   friend of mine is a big big burly kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29   of you know Irish Catholic I taller than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   me bigger than me like a bit many i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:34   right well that's his name Jimmy Jimmy o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:38   O'Shaughnessy not attracted and he has I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   should you not eight kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   hope is a clean a nap and he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:48   little darling kids ranging in age from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   Lee 24 comes from 0 to 11 and he's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:59   he's a what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   he's a what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   the guy hilarious guy he comments on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   facebook page all the time he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:06   liberal guy he's a funny guy but he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:09   anti-abortion mhm and he's anti abortion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12   because every life is sacred and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:16   that is a worldview right it's alex katz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   got their reasons I mean it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:20   accompanying worldview and it begins at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   up at an initial premise which is every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   life is sacred and that sacredness comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:29   from its from the fact that there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   soul to where we are we are essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33   stewards of those lives right and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:36   their perspective like like just as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:40   just as we look back at our founding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   fathers and go how could they possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   have had slaves and simultaneously been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   writing these you know these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:49   Florida and beautiful dark it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   like they're from a different time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52   like they're from a different time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   different values so we Catholics are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:57   there's a large proportion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   philosophical Catholics whoo-hoo imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   some future day when people will look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   back in time and say how could we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   sat how could our forefathers of SAT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   idly by during this genocide of souls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:13   but also at the same time if I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   compare the amount of volunteer time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   five of your ne5 your friends spent vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   in average sampling of five people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   your local parish people who are like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   tremendously involved in good causes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28   like trying to be Stewart's of trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   trying to fit a certain New Testament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   idea of good works right right well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   and and again i say i'm saying they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   not bad he's up an end up in a tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:38   with some sandwiches and toilet paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   taking shots of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   no they're not bad you know there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   and I and I and this guy is just one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   thousands of people i know on that side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   of the fence you know who and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   them are really really philosophical but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   it begins at this initial premise and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   he wrote on my facebook page you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   can I please ask you to take this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:01   down in respect of the millions of souls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:07   that are you know that and then and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   used some inflammatory language at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:12   you know a few a few adjectives like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:15   but equivalent to you putting up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   picture of Auschwitz on an elie wiesel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:20   yeah like you come onto that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   cool but he's he's a friend of mine he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:25   respects me he follows me he is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   he's one of what i would consider to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:31   my or season in my orbit and this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:35   and I got into his sandbox right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   he's a supporter of obama and hillary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   but this is his mhm yeah you know his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   little like core issue at the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:48   his world at the center of his vision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51   the world and and I wrote him back very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:54   I didn't write him back because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:57   living in this shit world where all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   did was comment on his golf ball that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   like David well I didn't write him back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   on market center taper like they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:07   wall said I gave him all three laws no i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:12   didn't know it's like be the Holy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:13   Trinity that he lost the Father the Son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:18   of the nominee domini time fav by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:21   running back and said listen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   like in all honesty we have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:29   different foundational idea of the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32   of human life and I do not share your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:39   view that every life is sacred and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:43   forth at the second s of that life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44   Trump's this other right now should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:48   consider pretty important but within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   that like you have to acknowledge you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:53   have to just if you're if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55   to if you're going to get into that wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   until you have to just say like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   because if you say that like there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:02   small amount of sacredness to a life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   it doesn't and it's not equivalent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   the right and is a spectrum of sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   yeah make your own choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   there's not really it's like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   say good to yourself sacred sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   you're pulling the sacred card when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   say it's sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:20   like that'sthat's taking it from like em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   don't curse on Sunday don't masturbate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:25   after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:25   911 this is more like no sacred that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:28   that's a different kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:29   yeah well and it's and it's equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   to like why do we why if we kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   somebody when they're one-month-old is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   it murder and when that when there 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   months old in the woman's not murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   we have in we have within us we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:43   made within our laws and within our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:44   minds some uh honestly some pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:50   arbitrary decision about what almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:53   everything is there are many spectra in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   life in there are hard decisions to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   about spectrum but if you act like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3898">TS</a>]

01:04:59   there's not a spectrum not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   science is gonna hold up so well and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:04   but they're so there's a spectrum right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   and a lot of that is is legal and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:09   of it is moral and your point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:12   almost every decision anyone has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:13   made is arbitrary they well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   certainly they are because in a natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:19   we're just I mean we're just pray for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   tigers right but where you know it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   if you think about think about humans in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:27   their natural state or whatever I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:29   that's where we're so far down the river [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:32   from that but yeah we're in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   decisions are predicated on prior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   decisions and the whole idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:38   secretness is predicated on a condom on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:43   monotheism which is evolved from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:47   there that there is there is a God whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   will is knowable and it's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:50   responsibility as the Stewart's of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:53   truth to make sure that that is enacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   in every conceivable way on earth then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   that there's there's a lot of you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3958">TS</a>]

01:05:59   making a lot of lily pad leaps to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   and it's just like you know what is God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   he's a silverback gorilla who's jealous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   of the smaller girl that's from Monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   cards first meditation so so I wrote him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:12   and I said you know we're just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   we're just foundationally going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:15   work we're never going to come to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:18   accord on this because I don't share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21   your view that human life is sacred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   and the problem is that you that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:28   people who who have a belief that human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30   life is sacred they believe that all a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   all laws and morals that that we live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:38   live according to proceed from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   initial premise why be good to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   other as human life is sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   why do we not kill and rape and Eve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:47   because life is sacred you you proceed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:51   from that initial idea i get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   chickens involved with the pig is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   committed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:55   mm you know think that see that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:58   like a like a Garfield quote you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   that saying no chicken the chicken then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:03   goes the tickets hey you know what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   should start breakfast restaurant and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:07   takes is no way in the the hands like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:10   why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:10   and then the pics as well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   you're involved but I'm committed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   yeah that's right you're involved but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   i'm committed hands exactly right so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   the harder case actually falls to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:22   liberal in that situation to say i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25   not believe i do not have a foundational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28   belief that every life is sacred and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30   I believe in morality and law and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:35   things stem from some costume case some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:39   initial case that we have we have yet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:43   describe em like why in it if if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:47   take away the idea that life is sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   and that we have that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:50   monotheistic God why be good to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:53   other and the liberal case is constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:56   to say no we are making this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:59   from the rights of man that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:02   are that are operatory that these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:06   self-evident rights and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08   this is all this all proceeds from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:12   a card and lock and jefferson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   Augustine or whatever you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:17   it so it is the theory it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20   philosophy of history and it's happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:23   simultaneously with you know with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:27   sort of theistic approach which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:31   you cannot divorce these ideas from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:34   there from the the source the fountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   which is a loving God and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:44   innocent secret source where I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   is going to this is eight admittedly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:47   stretch where let's say even if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50   super into the idea of abortion as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   thing you wouldn't let yourself because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   of the sacred law that passed on to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   that basically to extend that kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:59   don't know jurisprudence of God that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:04   that if this is the law it must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   followed down the line every single way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   like a but I'm not gonna pick and choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   which of these things no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   strongly i may be personally for or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   against anything the laws law right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   can't pick and choose and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   gives the law Authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:18   mhm because it represents something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   that's real and not something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   just drenched or something that you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:26   you believe maybe today and not a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28   from now when you've read a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:29   book is where there's a shabbat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   elevators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:32   it's a shabbat elevate like it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:36   went when they went in the Declaration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:39   of Independence Jefferson and and Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   Franklin collaborating or whatever came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   up with this like we hold these truths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   to be self-evident that all men are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   created equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:48   that's an egg's that's a moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   they're kicking the ball down the field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   you know they are they are saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:57   hold these truths to be self-evident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   well that's nice how do you hold these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:01   truths to be self-evident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   I like to show your work sir exact show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   you an F and what they what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   playing off of was the you know was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:11   intellectual tradition of the as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   saw it of their immediate forebears and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:19   of the of thomas mann and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   obviously I'm talking about John Locke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   here know like um sometimes man but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:27   you know that they are they're playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   off of this this deist sort of Rights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:34   Man but d ism was you know was a leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:37   that that maintained the existence of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   god so so here we are now 200 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:45   later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:46   oh my god 204 most 50 years later yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   know i was just introduced to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   them by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:51   centennial quarters how you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:52   collect those still have them i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54   have the clichéd yeah we are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:59   kicking that ball down the field from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:00   the liberal side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   yeah and we continue to do a poor job at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05   this yesterday where were we really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   Hamilton in our house and there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   many lines so many great lines and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   end up talking about and she's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:12   time just like my darling to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   again like which one is the one that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   slaves and I was like tell us jefferson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   and things as much as I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   Alexander Hamilton musical I'm I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:21   I'm more on kind of Jefferson side on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   lot of issues with but with that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25   yeah the guy who wrote that he totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   had slaves well had slaves and had sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:30   with his lips I mean they all had I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:32   Hamilton didn't have slaves because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   was poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:34   that's right but how does a bastard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   orphan son of a whore and a Scotsman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   ones that was Angelica Skylar said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   hold these truths to be self-evident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42   that all men are created equal and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   women sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:48   yeah I worked in the mammal to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:54   you're so we got Thomas man we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:57   deists we got to abortion facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   yeah abortion facebook i don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:01   i didn't comment on this episode please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:03   send to rock on the line at example.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05   one of our operators will be standing by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:09   this episode will never air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   uh-huh I really really really want i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:14   really want the I want those of us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:17   share this world this liberal world to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:21   do more self-examination to join the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   club Johnny I know man I I you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:26   like and the thing is there's so much i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   am not going to fucking talk about on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29   this podcast because i don't think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:32   heard about technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:33   mhm think about this one I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:35   I have a feeling about this but i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:36   going to toss this out i happen to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   very much on I'm very simpatico with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41   people say you know what can we please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   stop killing the black people i think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   need to stop killing black people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   agree i think we should start with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   black people i know that i know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:52   it's a bold bold stance on my very brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:55   bold stance when I say I stand before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   you today today gives you a chance we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   could stop killing black people now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   follow me on this and and don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   kill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:06   uh the leap from let's stop killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   black people to guns are playing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   this is a leap that is not even a leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:14   for most of my friends and I personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   I I'd like to see fewer of the guns to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   write but then the leap from let's stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:20   killing by people so maybe not so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22   guns you are actually at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   strangely close to saying to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   people in America you're responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28   black people being killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29   whether you realize it or not when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31   say that not again I don't have a dog in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   this fight i'm just here to say that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   telling you if you go and read what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:36   people on the other side here when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:38   people say that something i happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:39   agree with what they are going to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:41   is like not only are you trying to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:44   our guns away but you're essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:45   accusing me of murder because I I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:49   gun that's what it sounds like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   people i'm going to say that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:53   wrong or otherwise I just want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:54   think about it i will know the harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:56   the harder even thing to get your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:59   around is that even if you take the guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   out of the equation and you just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:04   listen the cops the white cops in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07   South do not see blacks as full-humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:12   the evidence that we see is all I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:15   almost guarantee you is just barely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:18   the tip of an iceberg for a much deeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   cultural disconnect about how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   folks treated and what what what ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   happening is that the left takes on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:27   very lecturing tone volume on your exit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:31   John you know a lot of people came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   brexit experts for experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:33   dude i'm up for expert i got to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:35   break but really fast i know it took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   almost eight hours you want you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:38   you want to read some of my tweets their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   top shelf week he sound like Donald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43   Trump my tweets on this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   huge people are gonna love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   my people at making friends on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   internet today the left the left has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:55   this culture right where we take we take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   in this is the biggest women stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4497">TS</a>]

01:15:01   we say we say very briefly something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:05   about our own privilege to indicate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:09   we are on the on the good side we're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:12   the right way we got ourselves a Hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14   Pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:14   yeah we say you know as someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   and you know as a white ally or we say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   something we said say something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   mitigates our our our experience just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:24   enough that we absolvo ourselves of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   complicity and then we immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   adopted hectoring lecturing tone to ward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:31   everyone else that we presume it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:35   less enlightened right didn't you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   back and read my timeline and what I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:38   to say about this I can't believe we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:39   still talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   right right but in the meantime largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:44   living in white enclaves largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:47   benefiting from systems that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:51   more or less a like systematized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:56   segregation and there isn't enough real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4556">TS</a>]

01:16:03   reckoning and it doesn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:05   it doesn't have to take this form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08   like prostration it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:11   involve even like being apologetic fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:14   or otherwise it's like a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:17   acknowledgement of and and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:20   hopefully an acknowledgement of your of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:21   your power without shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:24   exactly you know like shame does not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:28   empowering it isn't empowering for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:29   anybody and it doesn't accomplish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31   anything except to make you to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33   making it all about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:34   yeah exactly and so to acknowledge your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:37   privilege in your power and then try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:40   find a but to acknowledge it in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   ways even with pride and say how can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   now use this privilege map and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   mean that the people who are who resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:51   the black lives matter narrative Roger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:56   that are terrific terrific example you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   know it's not just that that they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   like they're they feel like their guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   are I mean that that's that's way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   the line they're afraid that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:07   saying the cops are you know just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:13   only independent depends on how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:14   choose to finish that statement that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:16   doesn't really need to be finished black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:17   lives matter and to a lot of people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:20   that I don't happen to agree but to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:22   that statement is all black lives matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   to the exclusion of other people right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:27   black lives matter more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28   or or lack lives the the fact that black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31   lives matter is going to is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   translate into more entitlements for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:36   them who that are not afforded to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:40   I'm also poor so what you know where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:43   and I so I how to how to get out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:48   reflective state of liberal apology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   where every where every statement is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:55   preceded with a caveat that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4675">TS</a>]

01:18:00   know that you acknowledge your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:03   acknowledge that your voice isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:06   voice that's needed here or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:07   know to to proceed from that into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   place where we are where we are actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   trying to make a case and actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:15   trying to be articulate about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   that begins with us acknowledging what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:20   our case is huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   and I don't know how I mean I've spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   my entire life trying to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:27   those words we hold these truths to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29   self-evident mean I mean I really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   my whole adult life I have turned those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35   words over in my head because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   that's its Jefferson's way of going uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:39   right well I mean like no I'm sorry I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:42   being glib but it's a way of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:43   self-evident is all the in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:45   that's that is his supernal sanction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   that there's nothing even even beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:50   God and law this is self-evident that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:53   this is the age of the Age of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:54   Enlightenment this is something that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:55   can look at and and go this equals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   equals this like this is truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00   well and that the thing is that my that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:03   the founders were really at odds with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:06   one another about this mm and Jeff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:09   my understanding my understanding of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   is that Jefferson actually his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:19   draft actually used a lot more sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:23   quasi religious language and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:29   was Ben Franklin who sort of made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:32   suggestion of the term self-evident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:35   because you know Jefferson was maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   more of a DSS and and initially said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:46   hold these truths to be sacred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:49   franklin was the one that said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:53   implies too much that introduces too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:57   much God and let's let's change it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:02   so that collaboration between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   Jefferson the sort of scientific New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:07   Englander I'm sorry Franklin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:10   scientific New Englander vs Jefferson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   was sort of scientific southern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:15   philosopher you know I mean just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   just those two the push and pull between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   between those two you know interacts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:27   it'sit's such a kick the can down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:29   road moment like so bad i mean if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   said sacred we hold these truths to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:32   sacred we would be in a bit I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:35   would be a different country and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   we'd be arguing it from a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:38   place because we would be people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:41   share my world view would be at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   disadvantage right now we would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:44   saying like if it I you know like if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:47   isn't sacred then what is it then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:51   whole than the the whole edifice starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:54   to crumble and Franklin just got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:56   little he just planted this pole there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4856">TS</a>]

01:21:00   with self-evident undefined and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:07   given us this it's given us 250 years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:10   debate it and here we are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:15   I'll put it out don't worry I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:28   why would why would you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29   of course it would where are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   to end it there with the lip-smacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:32   all feedback goes to Roderick online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4892">TS</a>]

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01:21:42   out there and folk holy shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:50   oh my goodness oh it was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPq_vU4/4910">TS</a>]