Ep. 199: "The Wrong Kind of Warlock"
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Henry bird's-eye to help me say hi to
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john now it's time around
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hello hi John
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Merlin man John rado break Buddha dude
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bom bom yeah I'm kind of disoriented i
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am super-duper disorder god I'm so glad
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you're really was with your what's the
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opposite of too late you're punctual
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today yeah I'm super-pumped what's up
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with the hat
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well I just had a sebaceous cyst removed
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from my head like 20 minutes ago
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really your recently cistus I'm now
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systems for the first time in over 10
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years and so both I'm both quite
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considerably disoriented but also here
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on time said they ship assist sebaceous
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oh no you had like a lump big lump for
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12 years probably maybe 15 year i don't
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i don't a long long time we like we just
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like touching all the time
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yeah and it was on the back of my head
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kind of the reverse temple right not
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directly on the back of my head but at
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the same angle of a temple except in the
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battle if you had a second face on the
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back your head it will be on its its
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temple could be on the temple and so I
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couldn't really wear a hat very
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comfortably i couldn't i was it
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interfere with my sleep
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you know it's just go back to where your
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headlights on the pillow but I never did
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anything about it because man yeah I
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would you really did you know that it
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was a sebaceous cyst i did because you
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know when I first got it on the back of
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my head I was like oh dear
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yeah you don't you don't want lumps you
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don't want to lump on your head and then
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I did a little bit of asking around and
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was like oh it's a sebaceous cyst
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whatever it's nothing but then it was
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just it's been there forever and I just
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got the my first primary care physician
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in years and i think i even have
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mentioned it to doctors before and
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they're like a spacious system and
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you can get a little bit like they
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showed no concern about it
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no one even wanted the money that they
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would get from removing it they just
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feel like I you can do it or not I mean
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it doesn't matter but i finally got this
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primary care doctor and I was like yeah
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I'm gonna get that removed so I went in
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today and I I realized like I've been
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thinking about this guy for years
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think about it all the time reach up
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anytime i reach up and touch my head I'm
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like a and it moved around a lot
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goodness now that now that that's I
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would expect that
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no it didn't move around my head but if
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you grab din and like wiggled it will
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you would move you know and I and it was
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a party trick right i'd say hey one
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should grab my cyst and i realized that
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i have imagined taking it out myself
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with an exacto knife many many times it
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seems like something you can you've
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taken a cold sores bigger than this
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well except this is like a this is a
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sack the size of a turkey a liver what I
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mean it's no it was enormous it was I'm
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not definitely with with turkey organs
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and gimme gimme another example
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it was the size of a coin purse or yes
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Galgo yeah somewhere between the USB
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dongle and a coin purse and it was full
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of hummus and it was just sitting in
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there and so finally I was like why
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don't you take this at the doctors like
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I do it in 20 minutes and so he put some
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anesthesia in my sebaceous cyst and he
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cut it out with this
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exacto knife and and I was the whole
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time I was like listen I'd you've got to
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show this to me because I've been
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thinking about this guy for 15 years he
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and I have a relationship with this
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little fella who and I don't want to
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just have you cut it it's like that
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thing where they they take something out
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of you and then you're like let me see
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it they go we already threw it away
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I can't believe they throw things away
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they should you mean just foreclosure
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foreclosure thank you
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you know i'm not a big burial fan but I
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get the open casket
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yeah right you're like is he really dead
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thousands dead touch him nobody so it
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wasn't just a bunch of stuff under your
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he could actually show you like the
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sealed unit well so you know they cut it
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and then they squeeze it and then they
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cut out the little sack which is like I
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say like a like a bag huh a bag that
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seems like it's made out of chicken fat
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acceptance a bag
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yeah and then I was like I was like
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listen I want to see it all
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I want to see what was in it I want to
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see the bag i want the whole nine
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because i don't want to i mean you know
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i need to say goodbye but also i want to
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say fuck you to it but I just I've
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imagined it so much that I want to know
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what it is for a long time I thought it
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was full saline
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uh-huh but then I realized like no it's
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full of is full of what I would describe
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as matter
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yeah but they were describing as tissue
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I was like well there's for me there's a
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lot of it there's a big gap between
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tissue and matter you know but you know
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its nomenclature I think of tissue as
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being I'm not a physician I think that
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issue is being a little bit more solid
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like it could be squishy but it wouldn't
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be liquid yeah it's connected to you
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somehow and this is amazing you could
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just like the fact that you turn off a
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chicken John is it that kind of thing
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well that's what the bag look like but I
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swear to you the stuff that was inside
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look like Hamas internet Mediterranean
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tree only that's right
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palmistry uh huh uh and you know so in
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researching these sebaceous cysts i
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discovered that there isn't and for
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those of you who are who are eating
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while listening to the podcast first you
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should know not to do that for the ones
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we not you its second of all it's only
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going to get worse if you're queasy or
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that type of person I don't know go take
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a walk around the block but I discovered
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that there is an in there is enormous
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subculture of people who relax and deal
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with the stresses of the day by watching
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youtube videos of people squeezing
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pimples
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he he taught me about this last week
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alright this was only last week I talked
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about this
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yeah it was I every seven days yourself
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him must have been because i was
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thinking of my sebaceous mhm so but ok i
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guess as recently as a week ago you're
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still kind of on the bubble you're still
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on the system about whether this is
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something you want to get treated
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yeah yeah I was you know but I've
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thought about it all the time I'm
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surprised we haven't talked about it 50
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times because I think about it all the
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time and and within the context of the
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zit popping culture sebaceous cysts are
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right at the top of things that they
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want to see on youtube
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the squeezin and talk about closure
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because I dated a girl who was one of
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those Pickers and I think there are a
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lot of pictures out there there's a lot
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of closet poppers poppers and Pickers
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who just you know and like like they
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just want to lay there and pick at yeah
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well this that we talked before about
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that subclass of people you meet in
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college or a college town you want to
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clean your bomb because they want the
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resin and it was really weird
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ok it's right there your bond cleaner
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that while you Piper you know prototype
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clear there you're a Tusken Raider you
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know you're out there yet there but then
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there are also people who you can tell
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they're kind of their kind of eyeballing
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the kind of like hmm like what is going
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on you're like I can't pop that
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mm that's a thing right well being as I
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would never want to pop like something
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something on somebody's well frankly I
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don't want to pop anything you're not a
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popular picker but like I dated a girl
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that was a that was a strong picker
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uh-huh and she was it was very intimate
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to her it was something that we would do
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after lovemaking she'd be like oh look
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at that little thing on the back here
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next or whatever tender it's like it's
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like two monkeys but it's exactly like
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two monkeys but she was you know it was
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tender but also she would become
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monomaniacal and she and her girlfriends
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would sit and pick at each other and
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high and talk about it to talk about it
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you know also and had and then I
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realized that there was not uncommon but
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that most people didn't feel that most
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even people that you were you know
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dating so certainly it's not a thing to
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bring up when you're casually dating
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but-but-but I discovered that given the
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opportunity if you broach the topic with
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somebody like what about what about this
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pic and they will typically you'll find
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more people than you thought
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we'll go like oh really could I could I
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you know like very taboo excited i got
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fifty shades of grey for dermatology
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yeah you like that before the internet
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you know like let's say you lived you
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might live somewhere and you didn't have
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the internet and you didn't have
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magazines and you didn't have to pay
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cable and you might have some kind of
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various pic cable the cable mean and how
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can i get the cable it's the medieval
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precursor to Showtime
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oh I see the cable milady where you know
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you might have something that you don't
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even realize you're special
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yes you i mean there are people you
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reach a certain age in life and you have
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enough exposure to the internet you
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realize that not only is your special
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thing a thing that it's it there are a
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lot of other people have your special
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thing and they might have your thing in
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a way that's much more special than you
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which actually kinda makes you feel
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maybe a little bit normal maybe a good
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weight since you feel you know I'm gonna
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crazy one
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wait i'm not the crazy picker here i am
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just a normal picker
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yeah i mean like imagine the first
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person the first person who said on
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their wedding night would you spank me
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right the first person that did that
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this is this is probably like that maybe
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the 1603 haha i think maybe even before
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but yeah right like but you know what is
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the thing is though II there's there's
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certain kinds of special things that
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you're aware of
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right like you might know about but
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stuff things or you might know about
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brassieres uh your toes like what might
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yeah I don't know about shrimping that's
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what you on about you you get shrimp
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oh icic that's not a that's not like hot
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Karl that's actually shrimpin carbon
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shrimpin is a hot carl is like 30 said
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she's gonna be hot girls in the family
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of a dirty
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it's like a rodeo okay um yeah right
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well and I think this is this or this
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dovetails with finding your dock right i
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mean some people and your database also
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the thing about it though is its first
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of all it's like it's the kind of thing
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where like you know what let's let's say
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in 2016 if you're a like a
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fifteen-year-old girl it might be much
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more permissible to say hey would you
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spank me
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you could even see it to another lady
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and that would not be weird today
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whereas I think you might still feel
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some compunction about saying is it okay
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if we have some heavy petting and then I
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picked yours it's a little bit yeah well
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i think this falls into the category
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finding your sex duck right behind your
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sex doctor because when I was young I
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you know spanking was pretty taboo right
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there were there were like that you'd
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you watch it you find it a 8-millimeter
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movie about it you know where it's like
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oh boy these are some people in in
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schreiner outfits like spanking people
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in there in there there frilly panties
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yeah and they make it look they make it
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look like it's justjust acute thing you
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do this one time but the thing is the
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thing about a special thing is some
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people special things like that could
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become very much part of the workflow
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yeah well I and I think over time we
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become desensitized so now spanking just
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seems like normal normal sex play it's
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just like spank spank spank ya that's
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not a big deal you're not gonna you're
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not gonna you're not gonna need to join
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a special club he wouldn't eat you
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wouldn't
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in this day and age you would not have
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to find a friend of a friend who could
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tell you about a spanking bar right
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right right well and I think what we
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what I'm not sure how much of this is
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millennial mythology and how much of it
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is Millennials is so difficult to tell
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anymore but but you know that whole line
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of thinking that is attributed to
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Millennials which is that they wanted to
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keep their virginity virginity but they
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did engage in but play who they would
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they would put in one another's but oh
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it's a but first operation yeah and then
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that kept their virginity it took its
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kind of false i think if you have
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somebody
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has been in your butt your virginity is
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is a done deal but it was something
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that's a very it's very narrow
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old-fashioned view john well i guess i
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don't know i feel ya i I'll say I'll put
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it this way if somebody had put that
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idea in front of me that the notion that
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you could do butt stuff for a couple
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three years and still call yourself
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version i would have thought that was a
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little peculiar certainty for right
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because it always seemed that that but
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stuff was an elevation from normal sexy
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stuff that's like saying I speed all the
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time but I don't know how to drive a car
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you know what I mean you know kind of
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well you know you gotta walk before you
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run it you know usually start the front
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moved back but but I feel like this is
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the opposite of how you put on hair
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product by a car in the front moved to
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the back and hear about you starting the
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back with different you don't know what
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about white thing that you know a lot of
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people they wipe wrong also
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well let's not talk about that that's
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the thing that dads can talk about
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yeah but it's not a thing that's in the
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general parlance I'm that's not a that's
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not a thing to say almost like saying a
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lot of people a lot of people suffer in
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silence you wipe back to front
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hi good is good to meet you see what is
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just see that's the kind of thing in a
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few years that's gonna seemed really
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normal if there could be people have
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been talking about wiping for years but
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never had a choice vaginal intercourse
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but they're very comfortable talking
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about that I feel the same way about my
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eyebrows
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we're like I'm not a picker of the body
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parts i don't think but I've reached
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that age I imagine you reach this is you
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trim your eyebrows well yeah we're like
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the production of hair on top like I'm i
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got a pretty good head of hair
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I'm fortunate in that sense but i will
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tell you that the growth you know the
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way they measure like the problem with
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apple like everybody's mad apple right
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now because apples growth has gone down
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it's not that was losing money is that
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their growth has slowed down right so my
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growth it is not have been a big growth
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quarter for the top of my head I see
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whereas over here in the in the
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you-know-what in the iphone vertical you
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look at my either the ear you got the
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you got the eyebrows mean that that is
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that is that's what it's all happening
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that is a fecundity of apps my friend
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so what happened is my daughter will be
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sitting there and she might be more
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picture the meeting will be sitting
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there reading a book and she'll be
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staring at me I'm like what is it and I
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brown she's yeah
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mm just won't show it in there well no
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she's it's really starting to bugger
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because i think it's you know
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including some of the light and so I go
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into the room I get the fancy tweezers
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and pull out the one Brezhnev hair does
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she want to see that no no she can't
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stand blood or eyebrows she's like any
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of that stuff and then it pulls out the
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little hair sack
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that's when you know you've really hit
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it yeah well here's the problem here's
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the problem is it starts out this is the
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thing is it it starts out as I'm just
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gonna go in the bathroom for 20 seconds
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I'm gonna pull out this one Road hair
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oh but then you get going well then the
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trouble is now you're looking you
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discover two more rogue hairs over here
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on the other side
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uh-huh and then pretty soon you get to
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be one of the people doesn't have
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eyebrows
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well my sister see my dad got those big
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wizard eyebrows as years went on perfect
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you know just like unruly I don't like
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doing eyebrow
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yeah and my sister hated it you know and
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and developed this this thing that I
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think your daughter is also developing
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which is like she it became a trigger
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for her and so when i get a rogue
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eyebrow now which you know because we're
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young men
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we're still young dad's it's not like i
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have these crazy mad scientist eyebrows
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but everyone's while one will get going
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right and it will be four inches long or
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whatever we and always kind of with the
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with an insouciant curl
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uh-huh but if my sister sees it she'll
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get furious
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you know I'm gonna eat it really is it's
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a trigger for her oh it drives are not
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detected the wizard days with your dad
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yeah so she used to sit I think and even
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trim my dad's eyebrows like she's with
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little scissors she would like get in
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there and just because it drove her
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bananas Wow
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but so now that i'm doing it she's like
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do not do not let your eyebrows go and
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you know and of course I'm thinking to
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myself boy when I get really crazy
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eyebrows that is going to be awesome
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it's crazy eyebrows come on what does
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that say about a person i know will let
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me play pulls together a little bit here
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because there's a phenomenon
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I wonder if you seen this Dec somebody
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and this is this is going to be
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normative but you see somebody who has
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like a really distinctive mole
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then you might see somebody who has a
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distinctive mold it's really more like a
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hillock and it's like that's kind of
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cool you gotta face more you gotta get
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you rolling aaron neville let's say
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mhm and then the thing is those will
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grow a hair or 40 i see us so there's a
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guy I used to be a meanie driver in our
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neighborhood and I I was hypnotized by
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this man because he had he had a he had
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a face mole that was the circumference
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of a quarter
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you know I said good on you right it was
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raised it was kind of about the same
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proportions as a pitcher's mound and he
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had a mole beard he had I'm gonna say
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429 hairs that were to 25 inches long
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coming out of it oh so that when he was
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operating on another level
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he knew that it was there and he was let
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go immediately
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he's letting it happen he was the thing
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is how could you not get rid of those
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unless that was the thing that you are
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really exploring yeah right it's like
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it's like I mean there's owning it and
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then there's rocking it you know what
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I'm saying that's that that's a fuck you
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mole beard yeah right like you don't
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like them all how about how about a beer
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on a moment I feel about that that's
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that's rockin it and a and when somebody
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goes from and doesn't wanna say that
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seems like that's right in your
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wheelhouse in terms like being a large
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man wears tight pants taking pictures of
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yourself for the internet and in heaven
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and driving around and you know I public
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transit why you got a mole beer that
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seems like there's something you could
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really honor
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no not at all i would never if I had a
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big mole on my face I would I would I
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would almost certainly try and get it
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removed because there are vanities and
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then there are vanities and big crazy
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eyebrows that comports exactly with my
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sense of myself that I should be wearing
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a tweed jacket with the patches on the
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elbows and marching up and down in front
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of in front of a large lecture hall
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waving my hands are a collector and
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shaped like an owl
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yeah with the rubber bands in your beard
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on anything to put the pocket of my
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pants covered with chalk dust even even
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even though even though it's a it's a
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white erase board and no chalk is
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required just chalk dust right like me
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probably sell that to attend your
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professors you can just get a little
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packet of chalk dust i keep I keep a bag
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of chalk in my pocket from the price I
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swear to god officer it's chocolate
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shops the baguette rock is that a
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sebaceous cyst that beyond you know so
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but unruly eyebrows yes but uh but a but
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a large mole with hair growing out of it
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is the wrong kind of warlock you know
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like I'm my intent of this is the thing
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I don't consider myself a warlock i
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wizard might have a chalk bag in his
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robes but also some other stone some of
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angel employer we're gonna we're gonna
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ever any mention of God there are just
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people that are good and bad and they
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that that gandalf was one other although
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the UO I know these videos of course
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graphics but explaining for example
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explaining how uh the history of the
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great one although there was one and i
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forget which one it was where I take
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somewhat took issue
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yeah i'm not sure which one you like
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history of England I i like that that's
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this thing makes any sense is that it is
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a death machine that basically kills you
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hear you Lord of the Rings mythology
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for your approval
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wizards of middle-earth or a group of
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beings outwardly resembling men capital
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m but possessing much greater physical
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the his story by the elves they were
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they're little
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hobbits so although elves seem elbe
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because of their because of their
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eternal life
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you can have a half-elf a man and an elf
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can meet and buy man I mean men but man
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capital and then man man capital and I
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pray human person and a elf of what
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whatever however you describe we have to
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get the F pretty drunk though only are
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they want the elves pretty fancy about
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being else I except humans and
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your where you know I think that you
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start in for the winter you know piss on
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a spark plug right
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sex with a human would be slumming
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somewhat but when did that ever stop a
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person caught on the dl there's there
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started i think within the
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african-american community and as a
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description for being gay
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think it started in the African
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communities way saying yeah I totally
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have sex with other dudes but we are not
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down-low my assumption is that they are
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gay but are acting straight they are
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claiming not to be gay
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they're the center at the center but in
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only socially acceptable way to do build
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things thats thats download but I but
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you know I don't think elves having sex
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with humans is down low i think that
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that's just like something there
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well there's an element of sex seenus to
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degradation right that you know there's
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a kind of the sex is dirty we talk about
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it's a little rough trade yeah but I
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don't have any I've never seen any
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reference to a half Hobbit and it seems
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like is there a rough portrayed than
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having sex with a hobbit they like to
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drink they like to stay at home and they
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seem like they'd be ideal sex partners
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in a lot of ways they they left they
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love to eat in the books they don't talk
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a lot about girl hobbits but in the
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movies they really mean that the girl
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habits aren't part of the adventure but
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the camera loves a girl Hobbit in the
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moves right the camera just lovingly
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pans over these big feasts we're all
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these kind of voluptuous red-haired
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freckled girl habits are serving big
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platters of of beasts
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yeah and i have to say watching the
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making rap because people like you
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well exactly like send me through a
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round Ord mound house and let me make it
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happen when their pack of pipe
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this off for me is you know they talk
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oh yes so that's where I learned the
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word warlock we're really bewitched it's
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all about the witches right you got yet
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Tabitha you got Endora you got yet sexy
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bad Tabitha yeah but think about who
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played the Warlock okay you got your
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Paul in Paul in at any time Paul is on
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oh he is chewing up the scenery he's
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stealing the show
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yes and Pauline made warlock in sexy I
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remembering their names one of them one
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of the Morlocks was there was uncle was
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uncle Arthur applause and uncle Arthur
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is pollen right you know that
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what's-his-name Maurice else and now you
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got that guy you got the guy who's like
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Duncan he's like the guy who always has
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the bomb guy in world war two movies you
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ok i always like a British officer right
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right yeah but what I'm starting to
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notice is that all the Warlocks in the
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brook bewitched cosmology are on the
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down-low right they're all a little gay
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Oh in trysting maybe this explains why
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there's no half Morlocks I don't know
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what a half where I might even I I feel
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like maybe a half wizard you know what i
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mean like i am a wizard but what about
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the kid what about the kid they
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disappeared
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you've got to get Samantha and durwood
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and they got their kid they had the
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daughter
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uh-oh its daughter's name or your deep
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into it now I I can't go this deep on we
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got the daughter and then remember don't
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this is one of the early examples of
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disappearing a character from a show
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when they added they had the strap on
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kid you know when you get that you have
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a wedding you have a strapon ki added to
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the mix and they had this little kid and
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then the next season began
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he's gone well that's not even that's
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not even as close to as baffling as the
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fact that Darren changed from completely
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one guy to a completely different guys
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whole personality change to the original
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Parent the original Derek dick York
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was he was be funneled but he was Easter
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you could tell that he really loved her
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yeah and the second Aaron he seemed he
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seemed like it was a little crabby well
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here's a little bit crabby yeah and I
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guess that was the kind of amp up the
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how far we're gonna take this whole you
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know which in the suburbs thing
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yeah which in the suburbs huh I mean
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when you think about escape to Witch
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Mountain right escape to Witch Mountain
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that's the brother and the sister to
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disney movie i remember much happens in
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that wasn't the Benji era
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yeah that's right it was it was in the
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jodi for young Jodie Foster era escape
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too much medical she can tell she wasn't
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right that's right candleshoe to escape
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to Witch Mountain was a was a very
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formative film for me because the
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brother and sister had some magic powers
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some witchy powers
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yeah and they were being pursued by
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Donald Pleasence I love that guy or
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Donald Pleasence is yet on plus i don't
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you talk about the Donald Pleasence it
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at seven young ray milland ray milland
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who right uh but they had witchy powers
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and they were like you know they were
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being adults were bad and adults had
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authority over them and sort of power
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over them but then they could do these
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little tricks they could levitate cats
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and they could you know unlocked doors
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they had telekinesis and as a kid as a
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you know eight-year-old or
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seven-year-old I really really I wasn't
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I wasn't ready to imagine a world
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without adults imagine a world where
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adults couldn't put you in your room and
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lock the door but I was prepared to
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imagine a world where I had telekinesis
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and could unlock the door or could you
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know like get a bowl of ice cream from
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the kitchen and floated into my room
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while nobody was watching right so we'll
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escape from witch mountain very very
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very influential on me and it was scary
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to and then
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spoiler alert turns out there who foes
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are you even kidding me know their foes
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stranded stranded here because there was
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a new focus i never knew that I never
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knew that
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yeah because it's because it's a little
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confusing at the end you know all the
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way through the film they're having
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these flashbacks of
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like they're there in the waves there's
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like there's no and it goes from fantasy
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science fiction
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mm so it's not that they were little
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witches it is that they were who foes
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and and they didn't even understand it
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they were like what are these weird
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powers that we have because the
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spaceship crash happened in there very
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early memory
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okay what are these little power you
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know how can we do this we're we're such
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weirdos only we understand one another
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little incesti to uh huh
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they can talk to each other huh uh yeah
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they can talk to each other with
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psionics now psionics mm-my again
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my understanding is incomplete but i
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believe psionics are strictly a Dungeons
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and Dragons power there are several
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things that mark me as a slack dnd
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player as we talked about in the past we
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would never play encumbrance we wouldn't
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deal with the turn stuff we just want to
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like have adventures we also didn't do a
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lot with psionics with which frustrated
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some people i think it depends on what
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you grew up with now as a as somebody
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who came to the x-men late and is a fan
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of phoenix and stuff like that or like
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scarlet witch and I think we're talking
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I think you're talking about scarlet
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witch in Phoenix kind of powers right
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you're talking about mine things mind
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things so they look like an illusionist
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or a magic-user there that's a trade
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almost right yeah i mean you don't have
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to have spent my obviously you've gotta
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roll the right numbers but you don't
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have to have extraordinary abilities to
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take that up as a trade like to know
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what I'm going to mechanic I feel like
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ricky jay is a this world magic user
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rights I mean Ricky J he's an
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illusionist such thing as an illusionist
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well he's an illusionist but if you
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could be a magic-user in this world I
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think he would be able to be always work
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up some spells have been little hammer
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and pestle and you know take some grind
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up some herbs and make a little make a
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little spell ok causes you to forget the
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last six hours or causes you to
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you know like it makes a sword dance
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makes a candlestick dance you know what
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hmm but but a magic-user and honestly my
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first dungeons and dragons character was
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a magic-user again because that's what
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your old no because that's what I
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thought
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yeah I wonder we get to yeah I was just
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like I'm making a magic-user make him i
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think he was also a half health half
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health magic user who really sure that's
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what my first character was because
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because again that's kind of how I
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thought of myself if you talked about
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this a bit in the past and I don't want
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to beat into the ground is a bit but it
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sounds like there have been times in
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your life where not to say that you
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believe you could conjure an orb but
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like it wasn't an impossible thing that
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we definitely never happen i kept being
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confused about why I couldn't
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let's say let's say that i was i was
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just a little disappointed a little
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confused and I think and and and this
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confusion was it long long predated my
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exposure even to lower the rings or
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really any kind of magic TV show magic I
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just I just didn't understand if anybody
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could do it
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it surely would be me why can I not do
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it and and write it and then it was hot
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that it was equally hard to accept that
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nobody can because that didn't seem
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right either
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like why with humans can do quite a bit
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of magic in the sense that you know we
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build bridges over rivers we it all
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seems kind of magical right
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why then would we not be able to to act
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at a distance with you know just
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tinkling our fingers or even even just
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holding out your palm and little spark
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yeah there's there's some in the in the
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Marvel world especially like in the
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x-men there are there's there are people
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who start out with these abilities that
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are super interesting but i think they
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feel like it's not enough for to have
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the whole character on to give my goal
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they can also get big or get super
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strength but there are people like I
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want to say long shot i want to say
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maybe psylocke but there are these do
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these characters who one of their
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abilities is what you could just roughly
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call luckiness uh-huh
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no it's really interesting but basically
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with scarlet witch before she's able to
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make you know Scott which is such a
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weird like huge deal in the comics and
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increasingly now and then the movies but
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she's interesting her basic skill at the
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beginning was that she could change the
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likelihood of things going our way
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how I would that be like so basically
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she but you get people like her it's
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only collecting harry potter takes the
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good luck serum right and same here like
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you have the ability to like somehow
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alter the odds of how things are going
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for you and your team they always give
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the awesome defensive skills to the
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women so it's like it's like now all of
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a sudden you have a fifty six percent
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chance of any outcome but it would seem
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to me within those worlds that that
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would that the temptation would be to
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just make look go their way every time
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right which wouldn't be as interesting
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as like well let's hope it's okay look
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goes away there's a better chance than
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even yeah but that's the story of people
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that's me miss Peter Parker so great is
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that like his whole obsession is that
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like he wants to take what he has and
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use it in a good way you know with great
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power comes great responsibility
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right right well let me ask okay here we
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have professor bald
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yeah and his school from you
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yeah right if you because mutant ability
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seems to you know it comes out across
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the human spectrum right yeah they're
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mutants from everywhere and they have a
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lot of different powers and it doesn't
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seem to me first of all two things
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within x-men
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hmm it doesn't seem that you ever get to
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people who have the same powers
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depends on how you define that but no I
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mean there there are Indians and I print
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yeah but I mean there's especially in
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the nineties there are way too many
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x-men with way too many powers and so
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there's less people there's lots of
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teleporters oh i see for example where
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there are people who can phase through
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solid things there's several characters
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that can do that see but it's like
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Cyclops had a baby with another mutant
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he did that did that baby also have
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Cyclops and powers
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oh way bigger than that now depends on
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which universe here in NYC is so like it
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is one universe where he and Jim Gray
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had a baby and is another another
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universe where he and Sam Madelyne Pryor
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had a baby but basically they hope
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summers his daughter becomes spoiler
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alert becomes the new Phoenix oh that
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basically top mutant and Jean Grey's
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feet when she became dark phoenix she's
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even beyond omega-level mutant point
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she's got she's got she basically she
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eats a world she pulls Galactus on this
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entire like star system so she's as big
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a deal as like big blue penis man that's
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interesting because big blue penis man I
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mean how do you have more powers and
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blue penis man I mean that's not all he
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didn't have the power to just not be
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interested in what humans thought yeah
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yeah they compare them to our reader
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issues a lot but you know I wish that
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Richard the stretching man he's
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stretching man you know i also have two
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I owe you an apology i read too quickly
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in the 1975 film escape to Witch
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Mountain that features both ray milland
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and Donald Pleasence so ray milland was
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Donald Pleasence his proxy
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alright instant Aristotle bolt and Lucas
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Deranian yeah right so Donald Pleasence
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was the one that was sitting with a
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white cat like slowly petting a white
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cat on it literally was he was if you
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remember I believe he was that guy i
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remember all too well wasn't he in the
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in the James Bond movie was that guy
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it was the pepper white cap what's his
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name was with the name of Boris Bob
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Boris Karloff right for the great
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universalmovies but here's another thing
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about x
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and that i want to ask this seems like
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something that is that i do not know I
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don't even have a gag about yeah it's
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just a question if you were a mutant who
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had some time about professor groovy
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Ilan's house of mutants
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yeah school mean yes if you're a mutant
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power was that every time you sneeze
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sneeze glitter let's say you just sneeze
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glitter that was your that's a
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definitely a mutant power
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yeah right like whoa if you were like a
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glitter sneezer your friends and family
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and stuff would be very concerned and
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then ultimately like not into you right
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like you can't live among us your
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Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer
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that's right you're you're very much a
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mutant so this glitter some user has all
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the problems of immune like don't live
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around here every time you sneeze we get
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glitter all over us
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glitter in that it's impossible to get
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off the characters names gesundheit
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but is glitter sneezing a big enough
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mutant power that that Professor Xavier
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will have you in his school I like would
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you pass the audition yeah right i mean
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it's it's the school can't contain
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everybody can have every single glitters
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and using mutant no no it's a good
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question so where would you go live
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where you mean gene is out there right
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new gene causes people to have these
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mutations they usually appear somewhere
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around puberty and the truth is for most
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people like run-of-the-mill like people
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are trying to pass you know they don't
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want to get clocked as being immune
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because obviously become an outcast and
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a know the very the very first like four
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pages of the 1975 x-men is them trying
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to like burned down the building that
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night crawlers and because he's a mutant
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yeah and so I mean that's that's kind of
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the whole thrust of the story is that
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these people are different so you got a
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lot of people have to her trying to set
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the word pass
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yeah we're trying to pass as being a
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homo sapien and and so if you're just
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out there and don't think the one thing
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you can do is like talk two mice but
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mice don't really have that they don't
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have a way to talk to you
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well or they can have you know everyone
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very powerful walkie-talkie or you know
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even if you can communicate back and
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his cheeks yeah mice don't have much to
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say right
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holy shit she's pooped cheese rod by
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Todd gap and so that's your heard that's
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your ability
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uh-huh and you're like not even you're
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not even like ant-man and men who
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initially was so lame and initial
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ability was to control ants and
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communicate with dance haha
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the thing is they kept hitting him up
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within like like fewer than like 10
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issues they were joining him up to where
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he can not only get very tiny than a
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giant managed to come really big but
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first the very first issue the Avengers
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you basically Loki has fooled Hulk and
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is trying to cause he's basically like
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trying to cause this this giant to send
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all the Avengers are going after hawk
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because they think he's a monster and
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it's like you know iron man is doing
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this in capital know this before Captain
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America but you know and Thor's doing
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this and it's like a man says I will
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send my ants all over the planet to try
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to find the Hulk get the edible but in
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this case you're saying you're not even
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a mouse wrangler at this point you're
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just as you get your mouse whisper you
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can't make the my students because
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you're like my go-to the place and
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they're like a cheese geez cats they're
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not smart metal but you know my friend
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Mike Squires who is a terrible person
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he said that if he could have any
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superpower it would be to give it would
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be 22 telekinetically psionically give
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anyone explosive diarrhea talk about
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spooky action and it starts right
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because even if you're fighting captain
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america even if you're fighting Jean
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Grey if you give her explosive diarrhea
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all of a sudden she's got bigger
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problems she's got something else to
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think about you get I mean not across
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the universe here you get Superman super
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diarrhea
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yeah he's all of a sudden in his super
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drawers
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he's got a fucking problem he's gonna
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want to get out of there and go get
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cleaned up
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that's pretty good right cuz nobody's
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gonna want to fight you when they're all
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messy know so be very distracting
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yeah so Mike's thing was like explosive
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diarrhea defeats all other superheroes
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and bad guys because it's just like
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think about somebody who's so fucked up
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that they will continue to fight you
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after like it's awful it's an awful idea
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he's a terrible person but it's kind of
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fucking great
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that's a good i see I person I'm very
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attracted to what I will call the
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defensive skills nigga now let's get
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back to the meetings in a minute because
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actually an explanation kind of what
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you're asking about
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but like yeah I'll my favorite my
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favorite skills the defensive skills
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yeah right like no reporting teleporting
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is kind of a defensive skills the
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ability to create a portal that other
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people can jump through that's a
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fantastic skills wonderful kk t product
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kitty pryde one of my all-time favorite
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character she has the ability to
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basically phase through solid objects so
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she can do stuff there's a hostage
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situation she shows up she can start
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sneaking people out through the floor
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and stuff like that
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I love those kinds of skills so I mean
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like the banner like Marky characters
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are the people who can hook and pound on
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each other
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yeah but imagine if you could instill
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really crushing self-doubt alright in
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someone even temporarily think that the
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character's name would be mom Jewish mom
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like here comes Superman Mike Squires
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causes him to have explosive diarrhea
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and then I give him a momentary crushing
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self-doubt so he's just like him
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all fuck am I doing this right no I why
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do I even bother what am i what's my
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pope and he's just like I died exploding
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on another planet so you could live like
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yeah he just sort of floats off like the
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brow furrowed yah pants soiled and boom
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who cares apiece as strong as as as
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kryptonite you know he can't a lot of
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strong people that don't have
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self-confidence you don't hear about
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yeah precisely so so my superpower the
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one that I devised after after that the
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most awful Mike Squires put into my head
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that it wasn't necessary that you have
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like a strength some kind of like a pop
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if power yeah I that's when I started
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calling myself the oxidizer oh is this
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you want to be rust I wanted to be rust
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right business because although rust
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wouldn't work against Superman message
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sarily within because i'm thinking of
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clothes i'm thinking more of a mutant
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power rather than like a superpower but
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as a mutant on earth you could you could
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wreak a lot of havoc being able to just
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trust all metal that's a very
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destructive power
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yeah it is a because like once its
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rusted you salted the earth you can't
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really use it again but the thing is
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like it's it's just it's defensive and
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when you turn every car into a Fiat for
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just a short amount of time might kinda
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actually be into that because there's a
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lot of cool fiat right ok but like let's
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say the cops are like comin atcha you
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it's not like you're gonna kill the cops
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or even like magneto like take their
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guns away and because magneto it's not
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that he takes their guns away it's that
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he turns the guns on them right he's
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like he's a batty you can stop the
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bullets and turn around and all kinds of
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yeah but what if you just rusted the
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guns my mom and then it's not that you
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haven't killed them you have no there
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are no threat to them
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you've just taken away their power
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you've taken away their human power I
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get it I get it right like and so it's a
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destructive power if it's misused but i
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think it would be a be a great I think
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you could be you could be an agent of
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Marlon because you would you go over to
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conflict areas and swords into rusty
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plowshares yeah exactly exactly you
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hammer swords into yeah right like when
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the great bluesman like general rusty
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plowshares and almost to plowshares who
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had the power of tetanus button tennis
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and slowly was blind blind at birth but
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yeah I think about that you could go
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over and there's big armies attack each
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other and you're just like rust and then
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what do they do you have to have to play
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soccer on christmas day we increasingly
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have fewer things made out of metal
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though I mean you've got things like you
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got to think about the armor that people
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wear isn't that kind of like a super
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plastic mmm yeah but i think that i
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think that the metal like here's your
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big titanium airplane right it'sit's
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yeah here's your stainless steel which
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mccollins right but then the call
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amp that's holding the wires that are
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that are part of the fly-by-wire system
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like the staple that ultimately holds it
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all together is still made out of steel
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and again I get it I get it
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and so you just you know you just take
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it apart like like all those ceramic
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guns that people are worried about
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getting through airports or whatever
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they're the barrel is still metal huh
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right it's there's a lot of ceramic in
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it but as far as I know there's no
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ceramic barrel and and then ultimately
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like they're on ceramic bullets right
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the casings are still metal you going to
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make it would suck to have a kind of
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power that like when they come up with
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in the 40 50 60 is incredibly powerful
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but then over time it just becomes less
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and less relevant like you have the the
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ability to disrupt 9600 baud modem for
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something higher the ability to cause
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all a hairpin mod suddenly gone and all
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all the Popular's fallen hero is the
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ability to blend just raised her right
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that would be terrible because you
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gradually I mean I feel a little bit
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like that a lot of my superpowers are
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becoming important more irrelevant the
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ability to tell a 54 les paul from a 56
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Les Paul isn't just nobody cares anymore
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don't seem like such a loser anymore
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this the ability to argue with someone
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for four hours about whether or not the
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long and winding road is a good song is
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not i mean although i was practicing
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that just yesterday but I feel like 20
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years from now it's gonna be a lot
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harder that's what side you're on
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on that long and winding road yeah uh
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I'm original list who so i do not like
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let it be naked
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I mean I like it as a document oh yeah
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sure interesting sort of like oh that's
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interesting sort of like all that
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beatles box set stuff that came out what
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you're saying this is the one that went
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up on the screen how do we feel about
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that right and I don't feel I do not at
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all believe the river
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the paul mccartney revisionism because
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AI do not believe McCartney revisionism
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just in general as a blanket because i
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do not trust Paul McCartney to not be
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working to try and preserve what he
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imagines he wants his legacy to be yeah
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right like Paul the whole like I was the
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first one to take LSD it's like mmm I
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don't know Paul maybe but seems weird
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that you're saying that now but all the
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polls whole business of we never wanted
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Phil Spector to to do all that just
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seems a little suspect like you sure you
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are you sure I i buy that with XTC and
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Todd Rundgren because I get the feeling
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Todd Rundgren's had this record is like
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it's a pretty good record but like I can
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only make this way better i'm gonna go
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away for a little while I'm gonna do
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some stuff to it
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yeah now as it happens I have to be one
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of people who likes what he did to it
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and I think in the fullness of time even
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in Trapani Partridge kinda came around
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on skylarking and so you know actually
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did a really good job with that but the
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phil spector stuff the promise and I
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don't hate the long and winding road but
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i think it's a so I think it's somewhat
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slight a song i mean as the but the
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bones of the song are not that great
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it's a little grandma e as a John would
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say not a bad song is not a bad song but
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what you remember about that song
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probably is the phil spector part that's
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exactly right my mom pom-pom that's what
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people remember if I mean if you think
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about the lyrics like the law the wild
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and windy night that the rain washed
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away has left a pool of tears crying for
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the day that is terrible that then
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that's no and your bird can sing and
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write and not only is it terrible but
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it's the very beginning it's the
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foreshadowing of all of McCartney's
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garbage lyrics from the seventies
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yeah right and so here here it is this
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is the moment in the beatles where John
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is no longer contributing to Paul what
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you John is with the OCO somewhere he's
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in he's it he's having a bed in
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and he's strung out east he's yeah i
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mean i love it i feel i feel like this i
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have an albatross here which is I used
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to be one of those people that I know
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kind of you know roll my eyes but I
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didn't know the full facts about what
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John's life was like I thought he was
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mostly just being an asshole he was
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incredibly depressed he was what
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probably addicted to heroin and
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marijuana at that point he was but John
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was a very very troubled person what it
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i guess i consider myself a
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meteorologist which is silly because I
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never really knew the extent to which
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even by 1965-66 John was not happy
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person in the people's yeah but I think
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of as their creative zenith was almost
[TS]
00:57:34
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that's an improbable fluke that they had
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two or three records as good as they did
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because jon was so checked out
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I mean he was depressed well he was
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depressed and I think when I think about
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that I think it is because jon was an
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anti-authoritarian and he was happiest
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when he was assailing the walls of the
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castle and then once he was inside the
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castle who could he hate right he was
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the top and everyone count out to him
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right think of the the the the bowing
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and scraping and groveling that most
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people did around John Lennon circus 66
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67 and so he could no longer be the anti
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mean he could give back his MBE or at
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the very least he always considered
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himself an underdog an outsider right
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underdog an outsider and all the sudden
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he was the consummate insider whereas
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Paul just what you know he just loved it
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was a performer
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he was a performer he was having a good
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time in 62 he was having a good time in
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yeah and I think that's Paul's greatest
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strength but John must have found Paul
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incredibly intolerable when John's role
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as the gadfly and the you know and thus
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not the sniper was was gone because we
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have Paul flourished in that world but
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I think took him out of the game and
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also disinterest and so you know when
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Paul comes to you and says woke up to
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load up in to breakthrough because it
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like John could be like yeah but
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you know here we go right like he's
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going to give you the he's going to give
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you the that the ugly side the dark side
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whereas when you know he's sitting there
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kind of half nodding out and yoko is
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cleaning his ear with a fuckin toothpick
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and Paul's like the world would be noted
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that the rain washed away has left the
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pool of Tears going for the day and just
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like whatever man
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fine all right you know good good
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because Paul's like he recognizes at
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that point that he's he's trying to get
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with he's trying to get up to John's
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thing he's trying to appease John with
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using the word tears and crying you know
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he's like he's making it is trying to
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make it morose because Paul wants to
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fill every space so he's trying to he's
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trying to preempt John's criticism by
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saying like no no this isn't like a
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vaudeville song about how
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vaudeville song about how
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happy I am this is like now the wild and
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windy night it's like that's um George
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Harrison styles that you notice i sound
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sad I'm sad now so there's so you have
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no there's no criticism you can offer
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right you're not going to add anything
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to my satsang and John's like a you know
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and yoko's picking nits out of his hair
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throughout his beard and it's just like
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yeah it's all you know it's all going to
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shit here but within the beatles cannon
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i am not somebody I mean think about
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think about why don't we do it in the
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road which obviously is a great rock and
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roll song but a pretty weak effort as
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from a songwriters perspective he sees
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pandering not to the audience but to
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John because he knows that the one thing
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that will get John out of bed in the
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morning is rock and roll by the Blues
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dump dump dump dump doesn't just don't
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like a 12-bar blues song basically yeah
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i mean so he's he's you know Paul's
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trying every angle here to like not only
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to win back John but also to you know to
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fill to fill the space that John
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previously occupied and Paul that's not
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what that wasn't the best job for Paul
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right Paul's job was to was to make the
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killer the killer melodies and the kill
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he's you know he's killer right
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no but like many times I've been alone
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in many times I've cried anyway you'll
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never know the many ways i've tried
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that's good that's good because he
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writes great bridge a great bridge
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wasn't he slays the bridge meister top
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bridge meister alright if he could just
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if he was just like a script fixer for
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other bands just just like you bring
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your song Paul he writes the bridge you
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get out I mean he would pop music would
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be better but but
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so I don't subscribe I don't think Phil
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Spector should have gotten involved i
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think that that was some fashion that
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was some trendy pandering that was like
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having eric clapton play on my guitar
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gently weeps
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didn't belong there they shouldn't have
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done it but they were bored and they
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were you know and they they were bored
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and they were insecure right now but
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then they also say that i don't remember
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exactly when this happened when they
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added billy preston didn't that kind of
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liven things up he was such a positive
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presence of a great player such great
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team player but all such a positive
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presence on the scene that was a welcome
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distraction for a time
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yeah super fun guy and he's out there
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he's adding just brilliant shit all the
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time like and the thing about Billy
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Preston's they don't push him forward
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right he's not like Billy president's
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not putting a he's not Clapton on while
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your guitar gently weeps he's just he's
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just filling up the space and you could
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what he's playing the way it's mixed you
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could listen to it and not think what's
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this foreigner doing here right it could
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have been it could have been just a
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London studio guy could have been
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included in hordes Martin could have
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been george martin right but it's not
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it's a fight fun friend like that
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doesn't bother me but i think the
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combination of Dylan Dylan and 64 really
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i think really hurts
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yeah 66 really destabilize the beatles
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because he was so cool and he and and
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John wanted to be the kind of cool that
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Dylan was not the kind of cool that he
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was so that that inserted this you know
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this insecurity and then swing in london
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right swing in London of the late
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sixties where everybody was an artist
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and everybody was having fun and sexy
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times and the and Paul in particular but
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the beatles in general were out in the
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clubs they were they were trying to be
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part of the swing and seam and they
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really felt like they had to I think
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that's where the phil spector stuff
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comes from
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that's where the clapton stuff comes
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this cool scene that probably on the
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street level when when Paul walked into
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a club there was a lot of like Oh Paul's
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here but there was probably also also
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from the cool kids a lot like oh
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Paul's here and Paul could feel that and
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he didn't like it
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right yeah and and then all of a sudden
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you've gotten the long and winding road
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through whereas when Kirko but when Tony
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lash mixed nevermind and two years later
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Kurt was totally disavowing it in the
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press I think at the time when they got
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those mixes back
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Kurt was like this is incredible this is
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this is so much better
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what gets lost in that is that he loves
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I mean it's so funny compete for
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watching the game check the raincoats
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alive and then you go use the raincoats
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and like oh my god this is at we banned
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mhm the thing is he had a huge pop
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sensibility he loved it he liked the
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meat puppets papi songs like he he love
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pop music like Carly am and how you
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could tease out what was happening not
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just obscuring it in layers that big
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muff but like being able to pull out
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like what this song wants to be
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yeah all the harmonies I mean he loved
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what Tony last to do not ever make that
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mistake but then two years later because
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every time Kurt Cobain walked into a
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room where he wanted to be cool right a
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Mudhoney house and there was that same
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thing like oh you know Curtis here and
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then also like huh
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Kurt's here God all of a sudden he's
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like oh I didn't like the sound of
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nevermind i wanted it to be
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roar and grittier and it's like no you
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didnt first of all and second of all
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those songs you could have made them
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sound as bad as as you wanted but they
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were fucking pop songs like there's
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nothing you know touch me I'm sick
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there's no way you can record that where
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it doesn't sound like it sounds you you
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could mix that anyway you wanted still
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can touch me I'm sick but like you know
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come as you are you can make that could
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have made that dirty here even even in
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bloom in terms of like theme and
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execution like it's it's kind of like a
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course is just look at three chord pop
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yeah there's some sugar on everything he
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did and it just it disgusted me at the
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time right because I was right in the
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thick of all that who was like what you
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doing asshole don't disavow that shit
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don't try and pander to those fucking
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scumbags that a limpiar bullshit like
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that's the worst thing that's the worst
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part of this whole culture I'm some
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standing knee-deep in this culture and I
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know that's the worst part of it that
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whole Oh Kurtz here like fuck you and
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but that was the that was the voice in
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his head that was his Dylan in 66 you
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know Dylan made those guys wait think
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they came to the royal albert hall and
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you know and somebody came back in there
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like the Beatles are here and he's like
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Oh are they
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that's like park yeah they are
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the beatles are here like put your
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teacup down and fucking talk to him at
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least give me a break
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it was like oh hmm you know maybe all
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they can really they can come back here
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in a minute after I you know after i
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type up some more nonsense and I'm babe
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huge Dylan fans
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I'm not shitting on Dylan I'm just
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shitting on his attitude
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yeah yeah fuckin attitude
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yeah that was his brand I was so mad
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occurred cocaine
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Marilyn I think I've expressed it
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because well but I mean you know me the
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money morning cobain here but part of
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that also is like he got way more famous
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than he wanted to be I don't even know
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about that really well I think he wanted
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to be that famous i think it was part of
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trying to reject me in rejecting same
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for the appearance of wanting fame which
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is just an anthem on the Pacific
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Northwest you like don't you think even
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part of needing to appeal he's rejecting
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Fame it's useful to also then reject the
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thing that you all liked him for being
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famous for
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yeah yeah butBut and that's exactly
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right he he what he really wanted to
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appear to reject fame but he was so
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caught up in the culture that he
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couldn't separate wanting to appear to
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reject fame from actually internalizing
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it and and and rejecting things like I i
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think in 1990-91
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early 91 i read several interviews with
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him where he was like we're gonna be the
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biggest band in the world and he was
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being ironic and he was being sarcastic
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because he never thought it would happen
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and he was you know he was yanking
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everybody's chain like we're gonna be
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the biggest in the world
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fuck you and then he was the biggest
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band in the world and all of a sudden
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it's like well did you did you want to
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be and what pissed me off was that he
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was and he could have used that power
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and he could have used that money and he
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could have used all that attention to
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accomplish the things that he wanted to
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do you know and and he could've made the
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world a better place I was watching him
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closely because I wanted we all we all I
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mean it
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george herbert walker bush was the
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president like we were ready to flip it
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and it and it was the moment where you
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know where our generation came online
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and was like yes we're here and look
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what we can do and then it was like oh
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yeah what we can do is you know sit in a
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thrift store chair and barf on ourselves
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and then die and well that's a little
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bit anti-climactic dinner instead of
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interest or chair in a loser t-shirt
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barf on ourselves from heroin sickness
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and then died I was like oh well alright
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i guess that wasn't my role model after
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all and for me that meant you know
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spending five more years sitting in a
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godfather's pizza eating garbanzo beans
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because nobody would miss them and
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wondering what the fuck did you look
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what he did he write it's just like I'm
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sitting there stealing garbanzos from a
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salad bar and thinking nobody else was
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counting that nobody's counting
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garbanzos nobody uses those and uh and
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now Clinton's president and nobody in
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the culture really has anything to say
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about it and and kmart is selling grunge
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hats and it just all went to shit and
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that and now we have stained you know it
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just was like boom boom boom boom boom
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I just I put it all back on kurt's lap
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and you know whatever
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Courtney wasn't even picking nits out of
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his beard you know what they make
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garbanzo beans into the sebaceous cyst
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plus right this bus and a little bit of
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it's good stuff i do that do you do this
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where you go by you're at the grocery
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store and you're like you know what I
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want to be the kind of person that hates
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hummus i got on haha aspirational
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shopping it's aspirational Highness
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right i want to be somebody that's got
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hummus in the fridge i want to be
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somebody when he's looking for a snack
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get some hummus any butt wipes it on
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something
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yeah Thomas wipe on son yeah I bahamas
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and it's in the fridge for six months
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well you do because I mean it's a good
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aspiration it's a good aspiration but I
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like for example like for me a better
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one with those would be like mixed nuts
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and here's why because you pop the top
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off the mixed nuts and eat them just as
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a thing
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Thomas doesn't tell you this on this on
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the shelf but Thomas once other things
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yeah come on government and what is how
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much mostly want bread
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oh it was a pita bread yeah which should
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need a lot of time trying to avoid that
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but you could also have carrots carrots
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see that's what i want i want to pick
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aaron thomas because if I'm at a party
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let's say I'm at a party and there and
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there's no antipasto Trey who is just
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too but it's like they got the vegetable
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platter of the crudite I'll sit and dip
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mini carried into humus all day
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yeah happy as can be but if I'm always
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by open my fridge and it's like you know
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there's so many carats alright there's
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no mames alright and it just sits there
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so I'm still fucking here did
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yes I'm not going anywhere it's not a
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bottle you bought me asshole
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that's right you bought me and then you
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know after like three weeks like is that
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even still good many carriers are
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starting a little dried out
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we did an example of that see my wife
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wants us to live she tries that you know
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have nice things in the house for us to
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eat that are you know the comfort good
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point but they can be kind of
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aspirational one of the primary
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disconnects that my wife sometimes buys
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things even though I tend to do the more
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than fifty percent mother
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amount of the cooking yeah so like but
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like here's that thing that happens is
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my daughter goes out to the garden at
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school tears off a postage stamp size
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thing of kale and eats it and says i
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love kale
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really yeah yeah and she did in that
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moment because it's fun to tear off a
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postage stamp Michaela needed and that's
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probably much kills most people want so
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but then we get kale and independently
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my wife and I both get kale and now we
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have two giant refrigerator filling bags
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of kale sitting there saying that's
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right asshole you bought me and you and
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my brother here to the kale brothers
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right then they're just they're just
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staring at us and like there's not that
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many nights were like I you know when i
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start to cook is when I'm hungry I don't
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I i sometimes when i'm doing sous-vide
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stuff I gotta think ahead but when it
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comes down to like 515 and time to make
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dinner you know pretty much the last
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thing on my mind is kale kale is is
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maybe a third it comes in third you
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gotta you gotta get a you got a protein
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far away the number one focus heavily on
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breaking their necks want to make just a
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protein and then i'll cut up some did
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you know some demonstration cucumbers
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just going to say I get my canned
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vegetables right but she got you got the
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primary protein then you get the second
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thing which is often a start you think
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it could be a rice it could be a noodle
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yep rice or noodle and those are those
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that that's the main part of the meal
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for my daughter because she's a child
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she'll chili all the noodles chili ramen
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chili egg noodles chili pasta whatever
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she's all about the noodles and then you
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know I got to be honest with you like it
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if it's getting to be 545 and I might
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leave off the scale
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right right well yes I I you have a
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juicer though
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thing you got to take it out you have to
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interact with it you know yeah i'm a
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range topman I do a lot of things with
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the range and the microwave but you've
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got gas you got gas yeah yeah and I
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don't know it
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my house is plumbed for gas but i have a
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have one of those
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cooktops that's like a black glass top
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that just makes me I don't know what it
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makes me want to do makes me want to
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yeah that's one of those decisions were
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even if it does produce the same BTUs it
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feels like a design based decision
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rather a functional decision pursue
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small we wanted this to look pretty we
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didn't have the school
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oils like our parents yeah I wanted I
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don't want to look pretty i wanted to
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look functional and cool yeah uh
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incidentally I need to go back and i'm
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sure i've already gotten 40 tweets about
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this but it was not Tony lash who mixed
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never much big know butch big produced
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it hood andy wallace oh who mixed it
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andy wallace famous for having mixed the
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Slayer records are produced the Slayer
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record is that right yeah so they picked
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andy wallace because layer was heavy and
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cool and they wanted to sound like
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Slayer which again feels like an ironic
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somewhat ironic choice like yeah let's
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get this layer guy and then he made it
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like cool like weird sounding a little
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bit you know new wave and according to
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wikipedia which is never wrong
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both Wallace and big noted years later
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that upon hearing Wallace's work the
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band loved the mixes after the album's
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release however members of Nirvana
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expressed dissatisfaction with the
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Polish sound the mixer had given
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nevermind nerve cobain said income as
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you are the definitive rock book by my
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pal said looking back on the production
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of never moment who that is who comes to
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our author you make me look this up
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aren't you
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her about it
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only the Gonski husky Emily makowsky I'm
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trying to figure out who will come as
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you are
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wait a minute now I'm now I'm googling I
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don't even know what I'm another look
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about so that way about sex
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uh-oh up e a new bomb little i'm so
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sorry i derail this to bow away as they
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mentioned in the book
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oh uh right uh let me go back here butch
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vig oh no Michael as a rad
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oh that guy from others that could be
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your life
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yeah right that's great and he's like a
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super nice guy too and he runs now the
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talkhouse website where i have written
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several article that's him huh guys
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really enjoyed that book
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yeah and he's a smart very smart guy and
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a very very committed music dancing
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anyway music
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mhm within within his book come as you
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Kurt says the following looking back I'm
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gonna do my Kurt boys okay looking back
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on the production of nevermind i'm
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embarrassed by now it's closer to a
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Motley Crue records that it is a punk
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rock record what an asshole a asshole
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thing to say
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be it was never a punk rock record you
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ding-a-ling and see what an asshole
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thing to say like like okay well want to
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go make a record with steve albini while
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he actively scorns you through the
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entire production my sense of being in
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that studio was without being like yeah
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that's that was pretty good i mean
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finally I think he seems like a pretty
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straight-up guy to work with
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well yeah but albini went on record
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saying he thought that Nirvana was like
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a middling the punk band like up kind of
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a middling mid talent band and it wasn't
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that impressed with them
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Wow and it's like well if you're going
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to say that after having made a record
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with them
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I can only imagine what you were like
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day to day he's walked a lot of stuff
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back in recent years he seems like he's
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mellowed a lot and I'm not trying to
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apologize for him but there's a lot he
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said some very controversial things in
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the capacities kind of walk back because
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I think I realized he was being kind of
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well yeah I mean here pinky I think we
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don't think of albini as being young
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because he seems like prematurely old
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and wise to us right but yeah he was not
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he was not that old
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here the the the tracks is recorded kind
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of as a lark but me and cheap trick
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we're doing a record and then they ended
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up recording a bunch of tracks from in
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re-recording them with
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him really yeah it's really good i mean
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you know everybody listens to that
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question color is famously like this
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very thin sounding album
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yeah um with some great songs on it like
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everybody be many people would be
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surprised you the original version i
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want you to want me because it's pretty
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thin but that was kind of style you know
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the thing is now course they to run that
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for 20 years and then they record this
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thing without being in 1998 and it's got
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barely any overdose it's very basic
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sounds fucking great
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yeah well and he's like no overdubs
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thing totally a like I get it right that
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was the the Seattle band that i had in
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the mid-nineties the drummer a a friend
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of mine named Lewis and he's a wonderful
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guy but he was he he said to me very
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early on in the in the time that we were
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playing together he was like listen
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reverb shit don't use reverb on anything
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it's garbage
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I was like really I mean it's a knob on
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my amp says reverb why would night
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why would I turn it kinda like had
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turned the mids like I don't know what
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the midnight does either but why
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wouldn't i use the reverb not but he's
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like reverb garbage and he was coming
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out of that school of like gated snares
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are garbage
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it's like well gated snares are just an
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effect there an effect like chorus there
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an effect like anything and reverb is
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just an aspect you can put it on or not
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put it on you can use it as a tool it's
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just a musical sounding thing right but
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this all these all these prohibitions on
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what you couldn't couldn't do in order
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to make music that like sounded whatever
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it's like park so and I was in I was
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influenced by this so I'm walking around
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believe it but I also didn't know how to
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counter it and and what it turned out
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was I liked reverb and I didn't have
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enough i didn't have enough knowledge
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self-knowledge because i wasn't a record
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listener i was I didn't stay
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contemporary I was just sort of when I
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was you know I was I was susceptible
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right but
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I mean albini was 30 years old when he
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made in you and yeah i mean i remember
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30 years old I probably still would have
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said the reverb looks or whatever you
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know like I would have I wouldn't have
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known better and he probably knew a lot
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better than me but he would do stuff
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with the room
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it wasn't yeah into Mike's around he did
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it like old-fashioned style but but you
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know there's a difference between doing
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the thing strictly because it sounds
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good and doing it slightly motivated by
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because it's slightly motivated by the
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feeling that if you say you did it this
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way that sounds good
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you know what I mean like if you move
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the mics and it sounds better to you yes
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if you put the mic in a coffee can it
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sounds better to you yes but if you put
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the mic in the copy can sort of kind of
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thinking about how that's going to read
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in an interview after you do it
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oh yeah we put the bikes in a coffee can
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yeah that changes things and I was never
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a hundred percent able to it it seemed
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to me a lot of that stuff was in order
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to say that you didn't do any / times
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more than because overdubs didn't sound
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which is not it's a little bit soft work
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it's a little bit ignorant is too strong
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a word when you make blanket statements
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about anything like that anymore it's
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the same kind of people who say like oh
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you know cgi is ruining movies which is
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like a common thing people say which is
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such a silly statement such an ignorant
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statement because it indicates a little
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understanding of like how movies are
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actually made and you know it's like a
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ghost and Syracuse of the day like it's
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almost like people saying salt is
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ruining food assault ruins food if you
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use it too much and it's all you can
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taste like salt actually does a lot of
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good stuff and I'm a chorus chorus that
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you barely even notice reverb that has a
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certain effect in this one part that can
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be extremely effective you won't do and
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just reject it out of hand
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well and also i mean think about think
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about band of horses and what they what
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they do with reverb right it's a it's
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absolutely crucial to their sound
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and it enables you to sing like ah and
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it sounds big right it's like we think
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about reverb as something that India
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uses and at first of all any is great
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sounding if you think about what i think
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and you did the music to the gladiator
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any is fascinating i just read a very
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long article about area
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what did you do any did a music did a
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song that got used by CNN after 911 and
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she got you know I residuals whatever
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you call it like you have to eat for you
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for every time they would go to their
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let's talk about 911 to play this little
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bit from an ending song and she she's
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making money like a doorknob in a wet
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sweater and now she lives in a castle in
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there with cats and doesn't talk to
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people doesn't talk to be right
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fascinating what a way to go with it be
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great when it's great to be able to be
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great to just go live in a castle with
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some cats wealthy we've talked about
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this before right I always wanted to
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live in a castle with cats until I moved
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out to rainier beach and I realized oh
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shit i just kind of want to sit in a
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cafe and be around people i don't want
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to talk to them but I don't want to not
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be around them and if i lived in a
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castle in Northern Ireland and never saw
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anybody i think i would go bananas which
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i think is what yeah well I mean like
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you know you like my friend in college
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used to say you are your options so I'm
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just saying if one of your options is a
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cast for cats
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that's a nice nice nice thing to have in
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your utility belt see that's very dope
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doesn't want that to be it wouldn't want
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that to be my only residence if I get
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great reverb in there too well so here's
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albini in 2011 albini says I can't
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really Express how much my admiration
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for nirvana grew during the course of
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making that record in utero in utero
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that making of that record i genuinely
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came to respect them as artists now this
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send me to refute my contention like low
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know he came to respect them that's what
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he says well that's what he says in 2011
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or four
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reading him say I was familiar with them
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mediocre punk band in the course of
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recording them and you know and I'm i
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understand revisionism I know what
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happens all the time I got into fucking
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big flame war on the internet with 45
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people that I ended up blocking when i
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was talking about Tom Petty the look on
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Tom Petty space when Prince stole the
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show at the at the rock and roll hall of
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fame induction of george harrison there
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amazed at prince and I was so psyched
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like go man go
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it's awesome I think there's a couple
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ways you can read that face that's one
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of them
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well I don't think you can read it that
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like okay Tiger dilated huh well not
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even that I thought it was like night
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you know like way to step on my way to
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step on this awesome celebration of my
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friend George Harrison with your ego
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yeah that's what I like his compulsive
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one-upsmanship well and also like Prince
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responded to me and in this but oh I
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think a very interesting comment and you
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know and were in that stage of lionizing
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Prince this is the wrong month to open a
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critical critical appraisal of threats
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right but you know one of the things
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about prince was he wasn't above showing
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off in a way that wasn't necessarily
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like musically brilliant not you know he
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was capable of sitting down and playing
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fuckin brilliant stuff but when he was
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on stage he he understood that his job
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was to show off and two wasn't really
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alone especially as he got more and more
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kind of isolated or choosing to not be
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out much like it was always an
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opportunity for him
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drew seemingly as fans the way we read
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that is it was always an opportunity to
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remind us that the kids still still got
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yeah right and so his solo is thrilling
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it's increase incredible but it's not i
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mean he he pulls out every little windy
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with you know he's like doing stuff
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that's kind of corny almost and the guys
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on stage are going to recognize that to
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write those guys are no dummies
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everybody on that stage knows that when
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Prince goes well we will its he showing
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off right so anyway be sure you want to
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pursue this any way I I saw that look on
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Tom Petty space and it could I it could
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have been clearer to me but you know it
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his a his response
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several years later ten years later when
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somebody interviews in is oh yeah we
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totally loved it and it was amazing and
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if you watch that he claims in that
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interview that he had three or four
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interactions with Prince during that
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solo where prince came over and they
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were looking at each other and he was
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like keep it going man keep it going and
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you don't see any of that in the footage
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and you know set that another person
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commented to me that how convenient that
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all these all these six that you know
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these moments where petty was you know
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going do it do it man
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I didn't make it into the final cut and
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of course there were cameras on
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everybody at that show and you know if
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you were directing that film that if Tom
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Petty was saying to Prince keep it going
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man that that would have been assumed in
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on that that's not a thing that you
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would have said well we could look at
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that or we could spend that 2 seconds
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zooming in on the keyboard player so
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that kind of revisionism i understand it
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100% nobody wants to say yeah I used to
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shit talk Nirvana a lot and now my
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opinion has changed me that the impulses
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to say oh no I really came to respect
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them over the course of that record well
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no you really came to respect them over
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the course of ten years of thinking
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about that record I don't know it's you
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don't get very far in in in my world
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shit-talking nirvana
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I'm sorry should talk to steve albini
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and that's not what I'm doing
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yeah i'm just making an observation one
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of the things I've never understood and
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this is such a can of worms at this
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stage of the podcast yeah yeah but i
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I've never understood in Mike I huh you
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know when I saw the other day was good
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you really dig into him even sonically
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dig into anything deeper on men without
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hats than safety dance
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that there was a reason in a way and
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like dire straits there was a lot of
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deep dive on dire straits got going to
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criticize them now my god I couldn't you
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know like the man's too big demands too
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strong i listen that's one of those
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songs i listen to 40 times in a row
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because it was just still it was
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imparting so much to me but like dire
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straits up
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I don't understand a single criticism of
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them maybe a little bit like we know
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they're there just socialize with me
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there hit record like so many of the hit
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records at that time does sound a little
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dated but you know how can you blame
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that on anybody
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whereas something like even like there's
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their second
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record like still I mean they sound like
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maybe like a record from the eighties
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but I think Sultans of Swing has a
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timelessness to it
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well not just that but like okay you
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take money for nothing out
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let's just say money for nothing is just
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out it's just we're not even gonna talk
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about it but like brothers-in-arms the
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tune yeah i mean i'm looking here there
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is some there is some weird production
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on that like the sound of rain falling
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that you're a little bit like really
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thunder and lightning on it ok but i'll
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let you know that's a little bit Bob
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Seger but yes but the tune itself
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incredible and I think of so far away
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let's get some I mean there's even in
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you know like industrial disease is a
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little bit sort of proto money for
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nothing but Romeo and Juliet that's a
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terrific Siamese that's what i'm
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thinking of like or that skate away song
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well that's romeo and juliet right uh I
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I just you know what's funny is like I
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remember I new songs a swing from when
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he came out but then dire straits for
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one of those bands Oh No skate away is
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the name yeah well but it was one of
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those are it was one of those going back
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a little doll that alchemy live record
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was so good but it was you know one of
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those bands where they would have these
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videos these weird videos on MTV that
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were not like other videos you know I
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mean they were just they were more like
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it's not be colic but they were like
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sort of they're not just weird like
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little like tone poems or something
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yeah i mean so so they're goofball songs
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twisting by the pool money for nothing
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and i don't know like calling elvis or I
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mean they had some they had some tunes
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that were a little herp derp but but
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they had so many so many good tunes and
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i think that i think that the fact that
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Marv not mark knopfler is friends with
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both eric clapton steam is one of the
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reasons that it's hard it's hard for
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people to casually appraise them it's
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like in a a he wore a headband be he was
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friends with sting
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normally that would be all you have
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that's as deep as you have to go right
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that's two strikes two strikes and
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you're out
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headbands people won't remember that
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even by this time staying with seeming
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pretty insufferable really bad during
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the synchronicity era was the outfits
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that he would wear and and i will be
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interviews the interviews with him it's
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like with his stunt classes in yoga talk
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i would never criticize that album
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because 10 rated so overrated
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wow that's that's tough talk
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synchronicity to it's a good song but I
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mean it'sit's know like ghosts in the
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machine
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ok alright i agree with that and you're
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not in the Machine and was it not send
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Adam and daughter was the other one
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because the machine was the one right
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before it
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ya gotta Madonna holy shit those two
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albums i mean because the machine was
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like wow you here's an add-on like all
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my god what more could they do and it
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goes the Machine oh my god so good
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well and this is I mean if you think
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about the first 14 REM records
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yeah the first for you to records
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yeah i mean all those early police
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records its yeah a lot of good stuff
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there and then it all went to shit in
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all three cases so anyway Colin k is a
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great singer walking in your footsteps
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come on synchronicity to king of pain
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even if you hate wrapped around your
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finger it's still good to ya yes every
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breath you take look I'll come on you're
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killing me every breath you take is like
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you choose one if it was if anybody else
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any other band did that Thun you would
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think even as a one-hit wonder
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but like if a even if dire straits had
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done every breath you take but like if
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every breath you take had been done by
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donovan even I mean it would be like the
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best song in their cattle 3255 titles
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three to five titles you ready for this
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but number one spirits in the material
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world number to every little thing she
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does is magic in
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number three invisible son member for
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hungry for you number 5 Demolition Man
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yeah ride one
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alright that's a tough that stuff back
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to follow I mean that's that's that's up
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there with like master of puppets for
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like an amazing side one
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yeah yeah oh my god you gotta make a man
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oh man even they're throwaways they're
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so fun and admittedly tea in the Sahara
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is that another and e1 no tienes sara is
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sting doing his sheltering sky song like
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he read the sheltering sky and he wrote
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a song about it and it's so awful
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because it's like well it's like his
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song about Lolita uh-huh right like
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don't don't read a book and then I mean
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because you just feel like he's not come
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memories not like it's not a tribute to
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it as much as it is an a cooperation of
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okay here's the thing is i remember
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reading an interview with him in
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probably like maybe guitar player knows
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it was through some major music
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magazines around the time the dream of
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the turtles or whatever you dream about
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it and then like to talk about the
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interview instincts sitting there and
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his bare feet like with his yoga outfit
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on and he's he's got a yellow legal pad
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and a rhyming dictionary and put some
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reason and I was like you know what like
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that's why that's so awkward because
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here's the situation i want to write a
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service went away on a week's vacation
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yeah parents say nothing but trouble but
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but but so you know this thing is
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sitting there going like there's i want
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to mention that i've read this book
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yeah yeah yeah you know but I can't just
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I you know I don't want to just mention
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it like it has to be a little more slide
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in that so just mentioned the hop
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author's name but here's the problem
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his name is kinda hard to run haha she
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starts to shake and cough yeah just like
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the old man in that book by now but god
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it's still still pretty great you just
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what you want to kick him in the shin
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but also like it was that video go watch
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that video and tell me you don't want to
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be in that
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man if that was the only if that was his
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only crime yes you get you just say like
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awesome right yeah it's one of those
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crimes where it's like that was awesome
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and then reflecting back on his later
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crimes you go oh that was just a
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harbinger like you would not i mean it
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was trouble for a long time when Elvis
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Costello got this beef for being a
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racist where he had used eight the wrong
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word used the N word to describe rate
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rustles and also called him blind and
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ignorant
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now that was the story that went around
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for a long time
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turns out from what I hear he was doing
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that to troll
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oh yeah Bonnie Raitt up on the right on
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doing any and bonnie bramlett yeah but
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basically he was trolling them because
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they were they were being all like Oh a
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certain way
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yeah he was he was he was an active
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elvis costello not only loves break all
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this music but like it's a giant fan of
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huge amounts anyway but basically he was
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a total troll toll troll now that's true
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that's what I've heard
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yeah I think he got punched in the eye I
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think it not only do I feel like it's
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true but absolutely plausible and as
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usually the kind of thing i'll discuss
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teller would do as you know I was Elvis
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Costello's driver for two days that's
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true you were and elvis costello that is
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absolutely in keeping with him and it
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just it just so happened that that kind
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of that that trolling happened in
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earshot of a of a reporter that wanted
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to take him down and what can
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what can you say I mean yeah it it it
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negatively affected his career and maybe
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maybe that taught him a lesson right i
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mean he he pulled that same stone on
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Saturday Night Live and they never had a
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back or you know or or a similar degree
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of like I'm going to stop this on that
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we agreed i was going to do and I'm
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gonna do the song that we agreed i could
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not do right that I specifically told me
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not to do
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yeah right and and you specifically told
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me not to do it because of bullshit
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corporate reasons 1234 32 terror and
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it's like yeah that was cool except the
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people watching probably didn't realize
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how cool you were being here and the
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people who were your kids are gonna love
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yeah like the people who are running the
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show uh it was not cool to them and yet
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so at elvis costello did a lot of things
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that in the fullness of time we look
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back and they seemed kind of legendary
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like wow he he did that well he you know
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and you forgive him
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you forgive him for what he said about
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Ray Charles because it's a little bit
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like them
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it's a little bit of Mussolini's train
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running on time like it's he was being
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it he was being ironic
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just as the italians were being like yes
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when it and it entered the it entered
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the lexicon as a thing meant you know
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it's a thing taken straight when it was
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meant to be you know taken to mean the
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opposite but so what do you you know
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anyway Colin Hay is fantastic singer
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still today I'm going to be just six
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titles only six titles
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ok don't stand so close to me yeah
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driven to tears proven tutus and then of
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course you straight into when the world
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is running down you make the best with
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what still around
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number four canary in a coalmine 05
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voices inside my head 6 bombs away at
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and what I don't know what that man in a
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suitcase into da what I what I don't
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know is that we're talking about albums
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from an era where we bought albums and
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listen to them all the way through and
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you newest knew every song not only knew
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every song but every transition you
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would get to the AP if you hear one of
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those songs on the radio now attending
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doesn't go into when it was running down
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that you start seeing in the next tune
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for stars that's likely we will rock you
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without playing we are the champions and
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and I and I wonder if that
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if that will ever it will ever return to
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a time when people digested complete
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works in that same way they'll let the
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those first four police albums you know
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all of the Beatles records all of the
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mean in a way for me all of the early
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ZZTop records
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although i know not everybody follows me
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there well but I know I i take me like
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you right now you going to call her the
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Beatles are good
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let's do a match them up with them with
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a super shuffle in here bones she came
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in through the bathroom when you called
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me a fucking break yeah that's not a
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song you hear that's a that's a better
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part that's the part that's like that's
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like that's like the only reading the
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yeah that one and you know the the
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beatles number ones right that was put
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out as a record or I mean and the open
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here's the problem
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the blue album and the red album our
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albums to me
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oh god that was that was where it
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started for me right and so I started
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with the I want to see the blue album i
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started with the second one
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yeah yeah yeah that's that's not able to
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use your Madonna oh my god i love that
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album so much so I when I get to the end
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of a song i'm as likely to think of the
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next song the blue album as I am to
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think of the next song on the album that
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those records that doesn't that mean
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Young's decade
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oh yeah that that is that mean like
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that's one of the ones we like a you
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know if you only want to have one neil
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young title in your house that that's
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arguably i'm done that even the biggest
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proponent of going on by a best out but
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that covers so much ground and has so
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many extremely good songs on it you know
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what I mean yeah well so like REM is
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eponymous with my god very early to do a
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greatest hits record on a band that but
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you know but it was with a free copy of
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dead letter office but I'm sorry well
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I'm sorry not upon us dead letter office
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had the outtakes plus it came with a
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copy of chronic town which felt like
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magic to me pretty smart and the promise
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was pretty good that was there IRS hits
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right right and that was IRS trying to
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do I mean was that contractual
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obligation record i think but also
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trying to capitalize on the Warner
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success we have the fact that like hey
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you guys this is all good
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get back here you know and we've got
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this catalog and please lots of strong
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record that's so good
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yeah you know what do you like greatest
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hits records can also be awful
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I mean the Eagles greatest hits are kind
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of the only thing you need to own and
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even then you
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well I don't know maybe not maybe not
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maybe the Eagles are your reverb yeah
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maybe you're right i mean I'm and I well
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I don't watch that did you watch that a
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two part movie on netflix i did i watch
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it like once here we have really loved
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it i just for joe walsh if nothing else
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but like i don't know i get a lot from
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watching that the when you think about
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the Eagles when they looked their best
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oh man it's kind of like the Beatles
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during sergeant pepper like the Eagles
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looked so good when they looked at their
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best and then they looked so bad when
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they didn't look their best like glenn
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frey's for I was empirically hot was a
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really cool good-looking guy when he had
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a mustache and was wearing likes the
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aviator glasses and the furry the collar
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yeah and the faded like very tight
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bell-bottom denim when they all were
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wearing that denim like the denim era of
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the eagles they couldn't have been
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cooler looking and then almost
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immediately when glenn frey like got
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into weight lifting or put gel in his
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hair whatever whatever it was they all
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of a sudden looked awful and i don't i
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don't know how I don't know how that
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would have how you and I mean I have to
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say like maybe I fell prey to this
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myself like every photograph that my
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band ever took and publicized looked
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awful because i kept shaving two days
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before our photoshoot for some reason
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for some reason I kept feeling like
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the beard was a thing that I wore all
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the time as a sort of as a muffler as a
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scarf and existential muffler
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yeah but when it came time to like
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actually represent the band and show up
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for a photo shoot
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yeah I'd shave it here your dad's voice
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in your head like a tie and then i
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looked like shit and then I mean we grew
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the beard back and so everywhere i went
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here i am with my beard and my shaggy
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01:53:04
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hair feeling good and I walk into the
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club and there'd be an enormous picture
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of me with my big fleshy face that what
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it was it wasn't looking like the cousin
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you're not sure if you want to invite to
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the wedding
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yeah I look so terrible and and it was
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not just that but I had only shape two
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days before so my face was kind of raw
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but it just wasn't and so when you think
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about the Eagles during that period
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you're like to its don't shave your
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mustache is you look amazing and they're
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just not thinking that way right Don
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Henley in his in his like it literally
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his henley shirts every I don't know he
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did that on purpose but all the
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seventies he was wearing Henley's like a
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collarless shirts which we call handling
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I didn't know that
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and his name is Don Henley and you're
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just like really there's a guy's a
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visual pun it's a little bit part me but
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we should talk about handsome guitar
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parts i won't talk about david gilmour
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someday that that guy was super handsome
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when he was young im so hands and he was
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really is a good player
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well he's Pashtu I think all those guys
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are popular pretty posh who I did go
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more is my if I were a wizard
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I would have kind of three choices for
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what my familiar would be okay and I
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think to I could have any to write I
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feel like if I were an idea and I do
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believe I maybe half wizard but if i
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were a full-fledged wizard and what I
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wasn't when I wasn't making half hobbits
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with the hobbit winches I i would be
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walking around and it can make a little
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bit make a little well not Bilbo's they
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be bill bill rods
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I will ride the hobbit little bill rod
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half wizard if Wizards are at our angels
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of some kind but i would have to
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familiarize right i would have a raven
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that was flying ahead and checking for
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nas goals and just you know he's just
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flying ahead right he's watching sure
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sure see you crow her and then he's
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either coming back to report to me or
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he's psionically reporting to me he's
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the three-eyed Raven but he's also a
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little like Rottweiler were like he
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knows when to go off and do his own
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little campaign and then come back
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yeah he's doing his own business and
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he's a little bit independent of me
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right sometimes he's not dependable
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because he's working his own angle em
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right but he's mostly allied with me but
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he's easy easy independent guy and we
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don't have a formal you know the formal
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Raven human relationship butBut it's
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something we're like the out of
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friendship and mutual admiration and
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even really a mutual mission
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yeah you can each other most of the time
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yeah he keeps close but if they're a
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bunch of other Ravens it's not like he's
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not going to work for you
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exactly he's like a giant eagles like if
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Gandalf can summon giant eagles to take
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to rescue Frodo it as the as saw Ron's a
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mountain of fire collapses
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ok why couldn't get off have just some
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of those Eagles to take him there in the
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first place very obviating the need for
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the entire quest i guess it's because
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Iran would have seen the Eagles coming
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but it also seems like maybe the Eagles
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could have taken this quite a bit ly
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content with strip quite aways right if
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you have connected vehicles
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maybe I could have taken the taking the
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party all the way up to God or at least
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ok so million number one choice number
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one in this array John considers the
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Raven the right The Raven is there and
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he's you know he comes and goes but he's
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he's be pal okay and yeah you and then a
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raccoon
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ok a raccoon who is kind of scampering
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along i imagine a raccoon kind of like
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the guardians of the galaxy record
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although maybe not that contentious who
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like a raccoon that also can kind of
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communicate with me and he's the he's a
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little bit of a trickster
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you if I'm if I'm having a conversation
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with somebody on the trail he'll sneak
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around behind them and that's what he's
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there for that's his performance
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characters you don't you don't tell a
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raccoon not to the camper and and
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Twitter and ang I've I guess we can see
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skitters right so he's so there they are
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you know I'm like arguing with some
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trolls and the middle part about my
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backpack and the raccoon is going
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through their luck it right
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yeah he's got their luggage he's fucking
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with them is I'm gonna shoe laces
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looking looking for middle-earth
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traveler's checks
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yeah right he's fucking he's like he
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squirted some toothpaste on their bag
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and then i can say all you've got a leak
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in your bag and then I fucking rip them
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it's it's it's going papermoon you hate
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we recommend have a long gone in
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electric that's exactly right so the
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Bible salesman if you think about the
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combination of a rubber raven and a
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raccoon has two familiars I'm thinking
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that's some wizardry right there but i
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know i had a third familiar it would be
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David Gilmour and what we like you asked
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what he do for you
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I mean it can be handsome think about
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traveling with David killed he has you
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know what though like he's he's a ranger
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right exactly a ranger you're exactly
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right because he's got he's got charisma
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he's got wisdom he's got strength and
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he's got very very high charisma and I
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think he could probably do a lot of
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sweet-talking but i bet he is great he
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has great taste we all know he has great
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taste is very restrained he's gonna keep
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you on even keel super-regal now think
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about your coming into it you're coming
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into a border town
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yeah right you get through the gates and
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you're going to the inn and you walk
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into the in and everybody in there
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smoking pipes and they've got their
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hoods on their cloaks up and the
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conversation stops when you walk in the
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door and everybody turns and looks at
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you and then normally they would go back
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to their conversations and you would
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feel like sort of lokale let's saddle up
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to the bar and see if there's a room at
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the end but now reimagine that scene
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with david gilmour
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war you push him a little bit forward he
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walks in stands in the doorway the bar
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everybody turns and listens and stops
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talking
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hello and then they continue to stop
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talking because it's funny david gilmour
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there and he walks over is like your
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finest room please and they give you the
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finest room king anything miles is a
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little sparkle fucking david gilmour is
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here right was very very handsome
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well and when david gilmour walks into a
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to a club in 1969 on London and
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everybody goes to the gills here no one
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says from David kill Moore's here right
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he looks he looks like he looks like he
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could be in the dismemberment plan you
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know he was less handsome he's so
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wonderful look at a chi and I mean when
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David Gilmore says here's how I record
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my solos
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and the amp all the way up the end right
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you're like I believe you I believe that
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and I don't think that that is a put-on
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I don't think that's pretentious at all
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he turns his amp all the way up and
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that's how he gets his sound that that's
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all you need to know he described
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anymore it would ruin the lesson
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yeah has everything you need to know now
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you'll figure it out yeah turn your app
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all the way up right and then your
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guitar will respond differently and
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that's that it's but it's it but the
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thing is it's not a recipe it's a way of
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life you can't use a way of life to make
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that's a nice piece for it's a recipe
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right out that's right and then also
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happen so I mean it's not a recipe in
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the sense of going like okay you're
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gonna have a perfect sourdough bread
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after you turn up your am no that's not
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it at all
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turn up the ramp and double play for 20
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years ago play well and also be inspired
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and brilliant and wonderful
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yeah be really good that's the other
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thing I don't think that other tip
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that's the other tip I don't think
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having David Gilmour as your father
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would be very great though I think that
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he is maybe a little bit of a love with
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holder if you if you give me if you get
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my drift
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that still does not count him out for
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the campaign though you got a ravenous
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raccoon David cab get a ravenous raccoon
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david gilmour that you're gonna have a
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very interesting campaign
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yeah well I'm the thing is I don't need
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love from david gilmour in that in that
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moment because the Ravens not give me
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any love and the raccoon barely is I'm
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and frankly I'm getting my love from two
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things Hobbit girl and a young Linda
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Ronstadt oh man is she wearing skates
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well was she on the campaign and skates
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oh my god yeah all right right even the
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nozzle would turn away she's wearing
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giant hoop earrings and roller skates
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who had a raccoon and a raven David job
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market later on stand around it's giving
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me blue bayou just think about it I mean
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I mean shit what why is this not my life
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now this should be a module this should
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be I mean talk about like I didn't roll
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for this character i chose this
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character
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haha oh I'm so sad
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fire t-shirts oh shit yeah then we can
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talk about it too much for two hours in
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