Roderick on the Line

Ep. 199: "The Wrong Kind of Warlock"


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00:00:12   against humanity this week they asked [TS]

00:00:14   Henry bird's-eye to help me say hi to [TS]

00:00:15   john now it's time around [TS]

00:00:19   [Music] [TS]

00:00:25   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:28   Merlin man John rado break Buddha dude [TS]

00:00:40   bom bom yeah I'm kind of disoriented i [TS]

00:00:50   am super-duper disorder god I'm so glad [TS]

00:00:53   you're really was with your what's the [TS]

00:00:56   opposite of too late you're punctual [TS]

00:00:58   today yeah I'm super-pumped what's up [TS]

00:01:00   with the hat [TS]

00:01:01   well I just had a sebaceous cyst removed [TS]

00:01:06   from my head like 20 minutes ago [TS]

00:01:08   really your recently cistus I'm now [TS]

00:01:11   systems for the first time in over 10 [TS]

00:01:13   years and so both I'm both quite [TS]

00:01:18   considerably disoriented but also here [TS]

00:01:21   on time said they ship assist sebaceous [TS]

00:01:26   oh no you had like a lump big lump for [TS]

00:01:30   12 years probably maybe 15 year i don't [TS]

00:01:34   i don't a long long time we like we just [TS]

00:01:37   like touching all the time [TS]

00:01:38   yeah and it was on the back of my head [TS]

00:01:41   kind of the reverse temple right not [TS]

00:01:44   directly on the back of my head but at [TS]

00:01:46   the same angle of a temple except in the [TS]

00:01:48   battle if you had a second face on the [TS]

00:01:50   back your head it will be on its its [TS]

00:01:51   temple could be on the temple and so I [TS]

00:01:54   couldn't really wear a hat very [TS]

00:01:56   comfortably i couldn't i was it [TS]

00:01:59   interfere with my sleep [TS]

00:02:01   you know it's just go back to where your [TS]

00:02:02   headlights on the pillow but I never did [TS]

00:02:04   anything about it because man yeah I [TS]

00:02:07   would you really did you know that it [TS]

00:02:09   was a sebaceous cyst i did because you [TS]

00:02:12   know when I first got it on the back of [TS]

00:02:13   my head I was like oh dear [TS]

00:02:15   yeah you don't you don't want lumps you [TS]

00:02:17   don't want to lump on your head and then [TS]

00:02:18   I did a little bit of asking around and [TS]

00:02:21   was like oh it's a sebaceous cyst [TS]

00:02:23   whatever it's nothing but then it was [TS]

00:02:26   just it's been there forever and I just [TS]

00:02:29   got the my first primary care physician [TS]

00:02:32   in years and i think i even have [TS]

00:02:35   mentioned it to doctors before and [TS]

00:02:36   they're like a spacious system and [TS]

00:02:38   you can get a little bit like they [TS]

00:02:40   showed no concern about it [TS]

00:02:42   no one even wanted the money that they [TS]

00:02:45   would get from removing it they just [TS]

00:02:47   feel like I you can do it or not I mean [TS]

00:02:49   it doesn't matter but i finally got this [TS]

00:02:52   primary care doctor and I was like yeah [TS]

00:02:54   I'm gonna get that removed so I went in [TS]

00:02:57   today and I I realized like I've been [TS]

00:03:00   thinking about this guy for years [TS]

00:03:04   think about it all the time reach up [TS]

00:03:06   anytime i reach up and touch my head I'm [TS]

00:03:07   like a and it moved around a lot [TS]

00:03:12   goodness now that now that that's I [TS]

00:03:14   would expect that [TS]

00:03:15   no it didn't move around my head but if [TS]

00:03:17   you grab din and like wiggled it will [TS]

00:03:19   you would move you know and I and it was [TS]

00:03:21   a party trick right i'd say hey one [TS]

00:03:23   should grab my cyst and i realized that [TS]

00:03:29   i have imagined taking it out myself [TS]

00:03:32   with an exacto knife many many times it [TS]

00:03:35   seems like something you can you've [TS]

00:03:37   taken a cold sores bigger than this [TS]

00:03:38   well except this is like a this is a [TS]

00:03:41   sack the size of a turkey a liver what I [TS]

00:03:50   mean it's no it was enormous it was I'm [TS]

00:03:52   not definitely with with turkey organs [TS]

00:03:54   and gimme gimme another example [TS]

00:03:56   it was the size of a coin purse or yes [TS]

00:03:59   Galgo yeah somewhere between the USB [TS]

00:04:01   dongle and a coin purse and it was full [TS]

00:04:05   of hummus and it was just sitting in [TS]

00:04:08   there and so finally I was like why [TS]

00:04:11   don't you take this at the doctors like [TS]

00:04:12   I do it in 20 minutes and so he put some [TS]

00:04:15   anesthesia in my sebaceous cyst and he [TS]

00:04:18   cut it out with this [TS]

00:04:20   exacto knife and and I was the whole [TS]

00:04:23   time I was like listen I'd you've got to [TS]

00:04:25   show this to me because I've been [TS]

00:04:26   thinking about this guy for 15 years he [TS]

00:04:30   and I have a relationship with this [TS]

00:04:31   little fella who and I don't want to [TS]

00:04:33   just have you cut it it's like that [TS]

00:04:35   thing where they they take something out [TS]

00:04:37   of you and then you're like let me see [TS]

00:04:38   it they go we already threw it away [TS]

00:04:40   I can't believe they throw things away [TS]

00:04:41   they should you mean just foreclosure [TS]

00:04:43   foreclosure thank you [TS]

00:04:45   you know i'm not a big burial fan but I [TS]

00:04:46   get the open casket [TS]

00:04:48   yeah right you're like is he really dead [TS]

00:04:51   thousands dead touch him nobody so it [TS]

00:04:55   wasn't just a bunch of stuff under your [TS]

00:04:57   skin [TS]

00:04:58   he could actually show you like the [TS]

00:04:59   sealed unit well so you know they cut it [TS]

00:05:02   and then they squeeze it and then they [TS]

00:05:06   cut out the little sack which is like I [TS]

00:05:09   say like a like a bag huh a bag that [TS]

00:05:15   seems like it's made out of chicken fat [TS]

00:05:17   acceptance a bag [TS]

00:05:18   yeah and then I was like I was like [TS]

00:05:20   listen I want to see it all [TS]

00:05:22   I want to see what was in it I want to [TS]

00:05:23   see the bag i want the whole nine [TS]

00:05:25   because i don't want to i mean you know [TS]

00:05:27   i need to say goodbye but also i want to [TS]

00:05:30   say fuck you to it but I just I've [TS]

00:05:33   imagined it so much that I want to know [TS]

00:05:35   what it is for a long time I thought it [TS]

00:05:36   was full saline [TS]

00:05:38   uh-huh but then I realized like no it's [TS]

00:05:40   full of is full of what I would describe [TS]

00:05:43   as matter [TS]

00:05:44   yeah but they were describing as tissue [TS]

00:05:47   I was like well there's for me there's a [TS]

00:05:50   lot of it there's a big gap between [TS]

00:05:52   tissue and matter you know but you know [TS]

00:05:57   its nomenclature I think of tissue as [TS]

00:06:00   being I'm not a physician I think that [TS]

00:06:03   issue is being a little bit more solid [TS]

00:06:05   like it could be squishy but it wouldn't [TS]

00:06:07   be liquid yeah it's connected to you [TS]

00:06:10   somehow and this is amazing you could [TS]

00:06:12   just like the fact that you turn off a [TS]

00:06:13   chicken John is it that kind of thing [TS]

00:06:15   well that's what the bag look like but I [TS]

00:06:17   swear to you the stuff that was inside [TS]

00:06:18   look like Hamas internet Mediterranean [TS]

00:06:21   tree only that's right [TS]

00:06:23   palmistry uh huh uh and you know so in [TS]

00:06:28   researching these sebaceous cysts i [TS]

00:06:31   discovered that there isn't and for [TS]

00:06:33   those of you who are who are eating [TS]

00:06:35   while listening to the podcast first you [TS]

00:06:37   should know not to do that for the ones [TS]

00:06:39   we not you its second of all it's only [TS]

00:06:42   going to get worse if you're queasy or [TS]

00:06:45   that type of person I don't know go take [TS]

00:06:46   a walk around the block but I discovered [TS]

00:06:49   that there is an in there is enormous [TS]

00:06:52   subculture of people who relax and deal [TS]

00:06:58   with the stresses of the day by watching [TS]

00:07:01   youtube videos of people squeezing [TS]

00:07:03   pimples [TS]

00:07:04   he he taught me about this last week [TS]

00:07:06   alright this was only last week I talked [TS]

00:07:08   about this [TS]

00:07:08   yeah it was I every seven days yourself [TS]

00:07:10   him must have been because i was [TS]

00:07:12   thinking of my sebaceous mhm so but ok i [TS]

00:07:16   guess as recently as a week ago you're [TS]

00:07:18   still kind of on the bubble you're still [TS]

00:07:19   on the system about whether this is [TS]

00:07:20   something you want to get treated [TS]

00:07:22   yeah yeah I was you know but I've [TS]

00:07:23   thought about it all the time I'm [TS]

00:07:24   surprised we haven't talked about it 50 [TS]

00:07:26   times because I think about it all the [TS]

00:07:27   time and and within the context of the [TS]

00:07:31   zit popping culture sebaceous cysts are [TS]

00:07:34   right at the top of things that they [TS]

00:07:38   want to see on youtube [TS]

00:07:40   the squeezin and talk about closure [TS]

00:07:42   because I dated a girl who was one of [TS]

00:07:45   those Pickers and I think there are a [TS]

00:07:46   lot of pictures out there there's a lot [TS]

00:07:48   of closet poppers poppers and Pickers [TS]

00:07:51   who just you know and like like they [TS]

00:07:53   just want to lay there and pick at yeah [TS]

00:07:55   well this that we talked before about [TS]

00:07:57   that subclass of people you meet in [TS]

00:07:59   college or a college town you want to [TS]

00:08:00   clean your bomb because they want the [TS]

00:08:02   resin and it was really weird [TS]

00:08:03   ok it's right there your bond cleaner [TS]

00:08:05   that while you Piper you know prototype [TS]

00:08:08   clear there you're a Tusken Raider you [TS]

00:08:10   know you're out there yet there but then [TS]

00:08:12   there are also people who you can tell [TS]

00:08:14   they're kind of their kind of eyeballing [TS]

00:08:15   the kind of like hmm like what is going [TS]

00:08:17   on you're like I can't pop that [TS]

00:08:19   mm that's a thing right well being as I [TS]

00:08:22   would never want to pop like something [TS]

00:08:23   something on somebody's well frankly I [TS]

00:08:25   don't want to pop anything you're not a [TS]

00:08:26   popular picker but like I dated a girl [TS]

00:08:29   that was a that was a strong picker [TS]

00:08:32   uh-huh and she was it was very intimate [TS]

00:08:34   to her it was something that we would do [TS]

00:08:36   after lovemaking she'd be like oh look [TS]

00:08:38   at that little thing on the back here [TS]

00:08:40   next or whatever tender it's like it's [TS]

00:08:42   like two monkeys but it's exactly like [TS]

00:08:44   two monkeys but she was you know it was [TS]

00:08:47   tender but also she would become [TS]

00:08:49   monomaniacal and she and her girlfriends [TS]

00:08:53   would sit and pick at each other and [TS]

00:08:55   high and talk about it to talk about it [TS]

00:08:58   later [TS]

00:08:59   you know also and had and then I [TS]

00:09:02   realized that there was not uncommon but [TS]

00:09:04   that most people didn't feel that most [TS]

00:09:06   even people that you were you know [TS]

00:09:08   dating so certainly it's not a thing to [TS]

00:09:09   bring up when you're casually dating [TS]

00:09:12   but-but-but I discovered that given the [TS]

00:09:15   opportunity if you broach the topic with [TS]

00:09:19   somebody like what about what about this [TS]

00:09:22   pic and they will typically you'll find [TS]

00:09:25   more people than you thought [TS]

00:09:27   we'll go like oh really could I could I [TS]

00:09:30   you know like very taboo excited i got [TS]

00:09:34   fifty shades of grey for dermatology [TS]

00:09:36   yeah you like that before the internet [TS]

00:09:39   you know like let's say you lived you [TS]

00:09:41   might live somewhere and you didn't have [TS]

00:09:43   the internet and you didn't have [TS]

00:09:45   magazines and you didn't have to pay [TS]

00:09:46   cable and you might have some kind of [TS]

00:09:49   various pic cable the cable mean and how [TS]

00:09:53   can i get the cable it's the medieval [TS]

00:09:56   precursor to Showtime [TS]

00:09:57   oh I see the cable milady where you know [TS]

00:10:03   you might have something that you don't [TS]

00:10:05   even realize you're special [TS]

00:10:06   yes you i mean there are people you [TS]

00:10:08   reach a certain age in life and you have [TS]

00:10:10   enough exposure to the internet you [TS]

00:10:11   realize that not only is your special [TS]

00:10:13   thing a thing that it's it there are a [TS]

00:10:16   lot of other people have your special [TS]

00:10:17   thing and they might have your thing in [TS]

00:10:18   a way that's much more special than you [TS]

00:10:20   which actually kinda makes you feel [TS]

00:10:21   maybe a little bit normal maybe a good [TS]

00:10:23   weight since you feel you know I'm gonna [TS]

00:10:25   crazy one [TS]

00:10:26   wait i'm not the crazy picker here i am [TS]

00:10:29   just a normal picker [TS]

00:10:31   yeah i mean like imagine the first [TS]

00:10:32   person the first person who said on [TS]

00:10:35   their wedding night would you spank me [TS]

00:10:37   right the first person that did that [TS]

00:10:40   this is this is probably like that maybe [TS]

00:10:41   the 1603 haha i think maybe even before [TS]

00:10:44   but yeah right like but you know what is [TS]

00:10:48   the thing is though II there's there's [TS]

00:10:49   certain kinds of special things that [TS]

00:10:51   you're aware of [TS]

00:10:52   right like you might know about but [TS]

00:10:54   stuff things or you might know about [TS]

00:10:55   brassieres uh your toes like what might [TS]

00:10:59   know about shrimping shrimping trippin [TS]

00:11:02   yeah I don't know about shrimping that's [TS]

00:11:04   what you on about you you get shrimp [TS]

00:11:06   oh icic that's not a that's not like hot [TS]

00:11:08   Karl that's actually shrimpin carbon [TS]

00:11:12   shrimpin is a hot carl is like 30 said [TS]

00:11:15   she's gonna be hot girls in the family [TS]

00:11:17   of a dirty [TS]

00:11:18   it's like a rodeo okay um yeah right [TS]

00:11:23   well and I think this is this or this [TS]

00:11:25   dovetails with finding your dock right i [TS]

00:11:27   mean some people and your database also [TS]

00:11:29   the thing about it though is its first [TS]

00:11:30   of all it's like it's the kind of thing [TS]

00:11:32   where like you know what let's let's say [TS]

00:11:33   in 2016 if you're a like a [TS]

00:11:36   fifteen-year-old girl it might be much [TS]

00:11:39   more permissible to say hey would you [TS]

00:11:41   spank me [TS]

00:11:42   you could even see it to another lady [TS]

00:11:43   and that would not be weird today [TS]

00:11:45   whereas I think you might still feel [TS]

00:11:47   some compunction about saying is it okay [TS]

00:11:49   if we have some heavy petting and then I [TS]

00:11:51   picked yours it's a little bit yeah well [TS]

00:11:53   i think this falls into the category [TS]

00:11:54   finding your sex duck right behind your [TS]

00:12:00   sex doctor because when I was young I [TS]

00:12:02   you know spanking was pretty taboo right [TS]

00:12:07   there were there were like that you'd [TS]

00:12:08   you watch it you find it a 8-millimeter [TS]

00:12:12   movie about it you know where it's like [TS]

00:12:14   oh boy these are some people in in [TS]

00:12:17   schreiner outfits like spanking people [TS]

00:12:19   in there in there there frilly panties [TS]

00:12:22   yeah and they make it look they make it [TS]

00:12:23   look like it's justjust acute thing you [TS]

00:12:25   do this one time but the thing is the [TS]

00:12:27   thing about a special thing is some [TS]

00:12:29   people special things like that could [TS]

00:12:30   become very much part of the workflow [TS]

00:12:32   yeah well I and I think over time we [TS]

00:12:34   become desensitized so now spanking just [TS]

00:12:37   seems like normal normal sex play it's [TS]

00:12:40   just like spank spank spank ya that's [TS]

00:12:43   not a big deal you're not gonna you're [TS]

00:12:45   not gonna you're not gonna need to join [TS]

00:12:48   a special club he wouldn't eat you [TS]

00:12:51   wouldn't [TS]

00:12:51   in this day and age you would not have [TS]

00:12:53   to find a friend of a friend who could [TS]

00:12:55   tell you about a spanking bar right [TS]

00:12:57   right right well and I think what we [TS]

00:12:59   what I'm not sure how much of this is [TS]

00:13:02   millennial mythology and how much of it [TS]

00:13:04   is Millennials is so difficult to tell [TS]

00:13:06   anymore but but you know that whole line [TS]

00:13:09   of thinking that is attributed to [TS]

00:13:12   Millennials which is that they wanted to [TS]

00:13:15   keep their virginity virginity but they [TS]

00:13:17   did engage in but play who they would [TS]

00:13:21   they would put in one another's but oh [TS]

00:13:23   it's a but first operation yeah and then [TS]

00:13:26   that kept their virginity it took its [TS]

00:13:29   kind of false i think if you have [TS]

00:13:31   somebody [TS]

00:13:31   has been in your butt your virginity is [TS]

00:13:33   is a done deal but it was something [TS]

00:13:36   that's a very it's very narrow [TS]

00:13:38   old-fashioned view john well i guess i [TS]

00:13:41   don't know i feel ya i I'll say I'll put [TS]

00:13:44   it this way if somebody had put that [TS]

00:13:46   idea in front of me that the notion that [TS]

00:13:49   you could do butt stuff for a couple [TS]

00:13:50   three years and still call yourself [TS]

00:13:51   version i would have thought that was a [TS]

00:13:53   little peculiar certainty for right [TS]

00:13:56   because it always seemed that that but [TS]

00:13:58   stuff was an elevation from normal sexy [TS]

00:14:02   stuff that's like saying I speed all the [TS]

00:14:04   time but I don't know how to drive a car [TS]

00:14:05   you know what I mean you know kind of [TS]

00:14:08   well you know you gotta walk before you [TS]

00:14:09   run it you know usually start the front [TS]

00:14:11   moved back but but I feel like this is [TS]

00:14:13   the opposite of how you put on hair [TS]

00:14:14   product by a car in the front moved to [TS]

00:14:16   the back and hear about you starting the [TS]

00:14:17   back with different you don't know what [TS]

00:14:19   about white thing that you know a lot of [TS]

00:14:20   people they wipe wrong also [TS]

00:14:22   well let's not talk about that that's [TS]

00:14:23   the thing that dads can talk about [TS]

00:14:25   yeah but it's not a thing that's in the [TS]

00:14:27   general parlance I'm that's not a that's [TS]

00:14:28   not a thing to say almost like saying a [TS]

00:14:30   lot of people a lot of people suffer in [TS]

00:14:31   silence you wipe back to front [TS]

00:14:33   hi good is good to meet you see what is [TS]

00:14:35   just see that's the kind of thing in a [TS]

00:14:37   few years that's gonna seemed really [TS]

00:14:38   normal if there could be people have [TS]

00:14:39   been talking about wiping for years but [TS]

00:14:41   never had a choice vaginal intercourse [TS]

00:14:44   but they're very comfortable talking [TS]

00:14:45   about that I feel the same way about my [TS]

00:14:47   eyebrows [TS]

00:14:48   we're like I'm not a picker of the body [TS]

00:14:50   parts i don't think but I've reached [TS]

00:14:54   that age I imagine you reach this is you [TS]

00:14:57   trim your eyebrows well yeah we're like [TS]

00:14:59   the production of hair on top like I'm i [TS]

00:15:01   got a pretty good head of hair [TS]

00:15:03   I'm fortunate in that sense but i will [TS]

00:15:05   tell you that the growth you know the [TS]

00:15:06   way they measure like the problem with [TS]

00:15:07   apple like everybody's mad apple right [TS]

00:15:09   now because apples growth has gone down [TS]

00:15:11   it's not that was losing money is that [TS]

00:15:13   their growth has slowed down right so my [TS]

00:15:15   growth it is not have been a big growth [TS]

00:15:17   quarter for the top of my head I see [TS]

00:15:19   whereas over here in the in the [TS]

00:15:22   you-know-what in the iphone vertical you [TS]

00:15:24   look at my either the ear you got the [TS]

00:15:25   nose [TS]

00:15:25   you got the eyebrows mean that that is [TS]

00:15:28   that is that's what it's all happening [TS]

00:15:29   that is a fecundity of apps my friend [TS]

00:15:32   so what happened is my daughter will be [TS]

00:15:33   sitting there and she might be more [TS]

00:15:35   picture the meeting will be sitting [TS]

00:15:36   there reading a book and she'll be [TS]

00:15:37   staring at me I'm like what is it and I [TS]

00:15:39   brown she's yeah [TS]

00:15:40   mm just won't show it in there well no [TS]

00:15:42   she's it's really starting to bugger [TS]

00:15:44   because i think it's you know [TS]

00:15:45   including some of the light and so I go [TS]

00:15:48   into the room I get the fancy tweezers [TS]

00:15:49   and pull out the one Brezhnev hair does [TS]

00:15:52   she want to see that no no she can't [TS]

00:15:55   stand blood or eyebrows she's like any [TS]

00:15:57   of that stuff and then it pulls out the [TS]

00:15:58   little hair sack [TS]

00:16:00   that's when you know you've really hit [TS]

00:16:01   it yeah well here's the problem here's [TS]

00:16:02   the problem is it starts out this is the [TS]

00:16:04   thing is it it starts out as I'm just [TS]

00:16:06   gonna go in the bathroom for 20 seconds [TS]

00:16:08   I'm gonna pull out this one Road hair [TS]

00:16:11   oh but then you get going well then the [TS]

00:16:13   trouble is now you're looking you [TS]

00:16:15   discover two more rogue hairs over here [TS]

00:16:17   on the other side [TS]

00:16:18   uh-huh and then pretty soon you get to [TS]

00:16:21   be one of the people doesn't have [TS]

00:16:22   eyebrows [TS]

00:16:23   well my sister see my dad got those big [TS]

00:16:25   wizard eyebrows as years went on perfect [TS]

00:16:28   you know just like unruly I don't like [TS]

00:16:31   doing eyebrow [TS]

00:16:32   yeah and my sister hated it you know and [TS]

00:16:36   and developed this this thing that I [TS]

00:16:39   think your daughter is also developing [TS]

00:16:40   which is like she it became a trigger [TS]

00:16:44   for her and so when i get a rogue [TS]

00:16:47   eyebrow now which you know because we're [TS]

00:16:50   young men [TS]

00:16:51   we're still young dad's it's not like i [TS]

00:16:54   have these crazy mad scientist eyebrows [TS]

00:16:57   but everyone's while one will get going [TS]

00:16:59   right and it will be four inches long or [TS]

00:17:03   whatever we and always kind of with the [TS]

00:17:05   with an insouciant curl [TS]

00:17:07   uh-huh but if my sister sees it she'll [TS]

00:17:10   get furious [TS]

00:17:12   you know I'm gonna eat it really is it's [TS]

00:17:14   a trigger for her oh it drives are not [TS]

00:17:16   detected the wizard days with your dad [TS]

00:17:18   yeah so she used to sit I think and even [TS]

00:17:20   trim my dad's eyebrows like she's with [TS]

00:17:23   little scissors she would like get in [TS]

00:17:24   there and just because it drove her [TS]

00:17:26   bananas Wow [TS]

00:17:27   but so now that i'm doing it she's like [TS]

00:17:29   do not do not let your eyebrows go and [TS]

00:17:34   you know and of course I'm thinking to [TS]

00:17:36   myself boy when I get really crazy [TS]

00:17:39   eyebrows that is going to be awesome [TS]

00:17:41   it's crazy eyebrows come on what does [TS]

00:17:44   that say about a person i know will let [TS]

00:17:46   me play pulls together a little bit here [TS]

00:17:47   because there's a phenomenon [TS]

00:17:48   I wonder if you seen this Dec somebody [TS]

00:17:53   and this is this is going to be [TS]

00:17:54   normative but you see somebody who has [TS]

00:17:56   like a really distinctive mole [TS]

00:17:59   then you might see somebody who has a [TS]

00:18:00   distinctive mold it's really more like a [TS]

00:18:02   hillock and it's like that's kind of [TS]

00:18:04   cool you gotta face more you gotta get [TS]

00:18:05   you rolling aaron neville let's say [TS]

00:18:07   mhm and then the thing is those will [TS]

00:18:10   grow a hair or 40 i see us so there's a [TS]

00:18:16   guy I used to be a meanie driver in our [TS]

00:18:18   neighborhood and I I was hypnotized by [TS]

00:18:21   this man because he had he had a he had [TS]

00:18:24   a face mole that was the circumference [TS]

00:18:26   of a quarter [TS]

00:18:27   you know I said good on you right it was [TS]

00:18:30   raised it was kind of about the same [TS]

00:18:31   proportions as a pitcher's mound and he [TS]

00:18:34   had a mole beard he had I'm gonna say [TS]

00:18:38   429 hairs that were to 25 inches long [TS]

00:18:42   coming out of it oh so that when he was [TS]

00:18:46   operating on another level [TS]

00:18:48   he knew that it was there and he was let [TS]

00:18:50   go immediately [TS]

00:18:51   he's letting it happen he was the thing [TS]

00:18:54   is how could you not get rid of those [TS]

00:18:56   unless that was the thing that you are [TS]

00:18:57   really exploring yeah right it's like [TS]

00:18:59   it's like I mean there's owning it and [TS]

00:19:02   then there's rocking it you know what [TS]

00:19:04   I'm saying that's that that's a fuck you [TS]

00:19:06   mole beard yeah right like you don't [TS]

00:19:08   like them all how about how about a beer [TS]

00:19:09   on a moment I feel about that that's [TS]

00:19:11   that's rockin it and a and when somebody [TS]

00:19:15   goes from and doesn't wanna say that [TS]

00:19:17   seems like that's right in your [TS]

00:19:18   wheelhouse in terms like being a large [TS]

00:19:20   man wears tight pants taking pictures of [TS]

00:19:22   yourself for the internet and in heaven [TS]

00:19:24   and driving around and you know I public [TS]

00:19:26   transit why you got a mole beer that [TS]

00:19:27   seems like there's something you could [TS]

00:19:28   really honor [TS]

00:19:29   no not at all i would never if I had a [TS]

00:19:31   big mole on my face I would I would I [TS]

00:19:33   would almost certainly try and get it [TS]

00:19:35   removed because there are vanities and [TS]

00:19:39   then there are vanities and big crazy [TS]

00:19:41   eyebrows that comports exactly with my [TS]

00:19:44   sense of myself that I should be wearing [TS]

00:19:46   a tweed jacket with the patches on the [TS]

00:19:48   elbows and marching up and down in front [TS]

00:19:50   of in front of a large lecture hall [TS]

00:19:52   waving my hands are a collector and [TS]

00:19:55   shaped like an owl [TS]

00:19:56   yeah with the rubber bands in your beard [TS]

00:19:58   on anything to put the pocket of my [TS]

00:20:01   pants covered with chalk dust even even [TS]

00:20:03   even though even though it's a it's a [TS]

00:20:06   white erase board and no chalk is [TS]

00:20:09   required just chalk dust right like me [TS]

00:20:12   proud [TS]

00:20:12   probably sell that to attend your [TS]

00:20:14   professors you can just get a little [TS]

00:20:15   packet of chalk dust i keep I keep a bag [TS]

00:20:17   of chalk in my pocket from the price I [TS]

00:20:21   swear to god officer it's chocolate [TS]

00:20:23   shops the baguette rock is that a [TS]

00:20:25   sebaceous cyst that beyond you know so [TS]

00:20:30   but unruly eyebrows yes but uh but a but [TS]

00:20:33   a large mole with hair growing out of it [TS]

00:20:35   is the wrong kind of warlock you know [TS]

00:20:40   like I'm my intent of this is the thing [TS]

00:20:43   I don't consider myself a warlock i [TS]

00:20:46   consider myself a wizard and I feel like [TS]

00:20:48   there's a major difference if you're a [TS]

00:20:51   warlock you can wear a mole beer [TS]

00:20:54   forgetting that gender issues now a [TS]

00:20:56   warlock is the gender male gender [TS]

00:20:59   version of a which is that correct yeah [TS]

00:21:01   but I i I'm not entirely clear on this [TS]

00:21:03   but i believe that a warlock has [TS]

00:21:05   different duties different skill set [TS]

00:21:07   than a witch but i may be different [TS]

00:21:09   alignment no same alignment like a [TS]

00:21:12   warlock in which are sort of compare our [TS]

00:21:15   like a synonymous more or less but like [TS]

00:21:20   oh and here's an interesting thing now [TS]

00:21:23   that I'm thinking about the gendering of [TS]

00:21:25   a of magic who is there a female [TS]

00:21:29   equivalent to a wizard or are female [TS]

00:21:31   Wizards just also Wizards old don't [TS]

00:21:33   imagine for a second i'm not thinking [TS]

00:21:34   about because right is it was yeah I [TS]

00:21:36   harry potter around my mind and I i [TS]

00:21:39   think they refer to witches and wizards [TS]

00:21:42   yeah a little bit i mean that's kind of [TS]

00:21:44   like referring to like sergeant [TS]

00:21:46   Colonel's little not exactly right i [TS]

00:21:47   mean i think if you put an e on the end [TS]

00:21:49   of wizard I think of wizards is being [TS]

00:21:51   more in in in management [TS]

00:21:53   I think of them as being at least like [TS]

00:21:55   like a commissioned officer for ya for [TS]

00:21:58   me I feel like warlocks and witches [TS]

00:22:00   witches are standing around a cauldron [TS]

00:22:02   whereas gizzards are carrying some kind [TS]

00:22:06   of ball or staff okay right so like a [TS]

00:22:11   wizard might have a chalk bag in his [TS]

00:22:14   robes but also some other stone some of [TS]

00:22:17   them you know shiny some of them you [TS]

00:22:20   know semi-opaque [TS]

00:22:21   and a staff and maybe a familiar in the [TS]

00:22:26   in the shape of a large weird monkey or [TS]

00:22:29   you know like a a bat can talk or an owl [TS]

00:22:34   or something I recently learned that [TS]

00:22:36   you've known since since your teen years [TS]

00:22:39   I i did not know this [TS]

00:22:40   I did not know that in the world of lord [TS]

00:22:42   of the rings that Wizards which is it [TS]

00:22:46   will give time from right here Wizards [TS]

00:22:47   are actually kind of angel that right [TS]

00:22:49   I don't think I don't think I don't [TS]

00:22:51   think the wizard is a hopped-up human i [TS]

00:22:54   think it's i think it's a human ish [TS]

00:22:56   angel employer we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:22:58   get some else about this one [TS]

00:22:59   well and I think that's I think that's [TS]

00:23:01   correct in my experience so having not [TS]

00:23:04   fully digested the silmarillion but if [TS]

00:23:07   within the Lord of the Rings cosmology [TS]

00:23:09   that I understand there is never ever [TS]

00:23:12   ever any mention of God there are just [TS]

00:23:16   people that are good and bad and they [TS]

00:23:18   get more and more powerful so like sore [TS]

00:23:21   on if there was a god in Lord of the [TS]

00:23:24   Rings you would think to God within a [TS]

00:23:26   certain points a sore on is SuperDuper [TS]

00:23:29   bad and he's using bad magic and he's [TS]

00:23:32   he's like I mean sore on gives life to [TS]

00:23:34   bad orcs even Solomon was giving life he [TS]

00:23:39   was he was he was birthing a Hawkeye get [TS]

00:23:45   that's not it i mean that's a god-like [TS]

00:23:47   talent but but I i never got the sense [TS]

00:23:50   that that gandalf was one other although [TS]

00:23:55   he's never referred to as a man I i feel [TS]

00:23:58   like i have to mention something at this [TS]

00:23:59   juncture because almost everyone i know [TS]

00:24:01   on the internet is yelling yes I am [TS]

00:24:03   obliquely referring to a video my friend [TS]

00:24:06   of the internet cgpgrey this is HSV is [TS]

00:24:10   out John you would love this guy if [TS]

00:24:11   you've seen a video explaining the [TS]

00:24:12   difference between the British Isles and [TS]

00:24:14   the UO I know these videos of course [TS]

00:24:17   that's the sky cgpgrey this guy lives in [TS]

00:24:19   England where he kind of does does this [TS]

00:24:20   entertaining lecture and only got this [TS]

00:24:23   is deliberately sap graphics zippy zap [TS]

00:24:25   graphics but explaining for example [TS]

00:24:27   explaining what this is great stuff [TS]

00:24:28   explaining how uh the history of the [TS]

00:24:33   monarchy in England yeah that was a [TS]

00:24:35   great one although there was one and i [TS]

00:24:37   forget which one it was where I take [TS]

00:24:38   somewhat took issue [TS]

00:24:40   yeah i'm not sure which one you like [TS]

00:24:42   history of England I i like that that's [TS]

00:24:44   a great or 82 what is one of his most [TS]

00:24:46   recent ones is a real mind-blowing i'm [TS]

00:24:48   sorry i said to my daughter basically [TS]

00:24:50   trying to explain how the teleporter [TS]

00:24:53   thing on Star Trek works oh I like [TS]

00:24:55   basically coming on the only way that [TS]

00:24:57   this thing makes any sense is that it is [TS]

00:24:59   a death machine that basically kills you [TS]

00:25:01   and recreate an exact version of you [TS]

00:25:03   with your previous memories [TS]

00:25:04   anyway super fascinating yes internet i [TS]

00:25:06   hear you Lord of the Rings mythology [TS]

00:25:08   video by cgpgrey is where I learned [TS]

00:25:10   about this and also that link to you for [TS]

00:25:12   for your approval [TS]

00:25:13   according to wikipedia which is never [TS]

00:25:15   wrong [TS]

00:25:17   wizards of middle-earth or a group of [TS]

00:25:18   beings outwardly resembling men capital [TS]

00:25:21   m but possessing much greater physical [TS]

00:25:23   and mental power they are also called [TS]

00:25:24   the his story by the elves they were [TS]

00:25:28   sent by Valar to assist the people of [TS]

00:25:30   middle-earth two contests are on icy now [TS]

00:25:34   now hobbits the hobbits are people but [TS]

00:25:36   they're little [TS]

00:25:37   yeah well it wasn't Pickers they got [TS]

00:25:39   some serious don't have a lot of like [TS]

00:25:41   like foot hair I did not I did not and i [TS]

00:25:44   do not believe anywhere in the Lord of [TS]

00:25:46   the Rings saga that there are any half [TS]

00:25:50   hobbits so although elves seem elbe [TS]

00:25:55   seymour other and more foreign two men [TS]

00:25:59   because of their because of their [TS]

00:26:02   eternal life [TS]

00:26:03   you can have a half-elf a man and an elf [TS]

00:26:07   can meet and buy man I mean men but man [TS]

00:26:11   capital and then man man capital and I [TS]

00:26:14   pray human person and a elf of what [TS]

00:26:17   whatever however you describe we have to [TS]

00:26:19   get the F pretty drunk though only are [TS]

00:26:22   they want the elves pretty fancy about [TS]

00:26:23   being else I except humans and [TS]

00:26:26   Neanderthals made it so let's suppose I [TS]

00:26:30   me just depends on like you know where [TS]

00:26:31   your where you know I think that you [TS]

00:26:34   start in for the winter you know piss on [TS]

00:26:36   a spark plug right [TS]

00:26:37   my sense of an elf is that yes having [TS]

00:26:40   sex with a human would be slumming [TS]

00:26:41   somewhat but when did that ever stop a [TS]

00:26:44   person caught on the dl there's there [TS]

00:26:46   yet [TS]

00:26:47   there's a well on the dl actually [TS]

00:26:49   started i think within the [TS]

00:26:51   african-american things in the [TS]

00:26:52   african-american community and as a [TS]

00:26:54   description for being gay [TS]

00:26:56   similarly as us as i disagree i think i [TS]

00:27:01   think it started in the African [TS]

00:27:03   communities way saying yeah I totally [TS]

00:27:05   have sex with other dudes but we are not [TS]

00:27:07   gay [TS]

00:27:08   oh yeah right that's what I mean when I [TS]

00:27:10   say having sex with other dudes on the [TS]

00:27:12   down-low my assumption is that they are [TS]

00:27:15   gay but are acting straight they are [TS]

00:27:18   claiming not to be gay [TS]

00:27:20   they're the center at the center but in [TS]

00:27:22   but in fact that is the that was the [TS]

00:27:24   only socially acceptable way to do build [TS]

00:27:28   things thats thats download but I but [TS]

00:27:31   you know I don't think elves having sex [TS]

00:27:33   with humans is down low i think that [TS]

00:27:35   that's just like something there [TS]

00:27:37   well there's an element of sex seenus to [TS]

00:27:40   degradation right that you know there's [TS]

00:27:43   a kind of the sex is dirty we talk about [TS]

00:27:46   it as being dirty the humans is rough [TS]

00:27:48   trade [TS]

00:27:48   it's a little rough trade yeah but I [TS]

00:27:51   don't have any I've never seen any [TS]

00:27:54   reference to a half Hobbit and it seems [TS]

00:27:58   like is there a rough portrayed than [TS]

00:28:01   having sex with a hobbit they like to [TS]

00:28:02   drink they like to stay at home and they [TS]

00:28:05   seem like they'd be ideal sex partners [TS]

00:28:07   in a lot of ways they they left they [TS]

00:28:08   love to eat in the books they don't talk [TS]

00:28:12   a lot about girl hobbits but in the [TS]

00:28:15   movies they really mean that the girl [TS]

00:28:20   habits aren't part of the adventure but [TS]

00:28:21   the camera loves a girl Hobbit in the [TS]

00:28:24   moves right the camera just lovingly [TS]

00:28:27   pans over these big feasts we're all [TS]

00:28:30   these kind of voluptuous red-haired [TS]

00:28:31   freckled girl habits are serving big [TS]

00:28:35   platters of of beasts [TS]

00:28:37   yeah and i have to say watching the [TS]

00:28:41   films [TS]

00:28:42   I was like why are there no half habits [TS]

00:28:45   because i'd make a half Hobbit sure they [TS]

00:28:48   making rap because people like you [TS]

00:28:50   well exactly like send me through a [TS]

00:28:52   round Ord mound house and let me make it [TS]

00:28:58   happen when their pack of pipe [TS]

00:29:00   I'm [TS]

00:29:00   canada i'm gonna go in there and eat a [TS]

00:29:02   second breakfast this episode of [TS]

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00:30:59   the loss [TS]

00:31:00   you may be no second breakfast [TS]

00:31:03   oh they're gonna have a second breaking [TS]

00:31:06   oh my goodness [TS]

00:31:07   now I'll tell you what there's a lot of [TS]

00:31:09   this off for me is you know they talk [TS]

00:31:11   talk talk about imprinting on something [TS]

00:31:13   and things i imprinted on the word [TS]

00:31:16   warlock through bewitched [TS]

00:31:18   oh yes so that's where I learned the [TS]

00:31:21   word warlock we're really bewitched it's [TS]

00:31:23   all about the witches right you got yet [TS]

00:31:24   Tabitha you got Endora you got yet sexy [TS]

00:31:27   bad Tabitha yeah but think about who [TS]

00:31:30   played the Warlock okay you got your [TS]

00:31:32   Paul in Paul in at any time Paul is on [TS]

00:31:35   oh he is chewing up the scenery he's [TS]

00:31:38   stealing the show [TS]

00:31:39   yes and Pauline made warlock in sexy I [TS]

00:31:43   could think of to other warlocks I'm not [TS]

00:31:45   remembering their names one of them one [TS]

00:31:47   of the Morlocks was there was uncle was [TS]

00:31:51   uncle Arthur applause and uncle Arthur [TS]

00:31:53   is pollen right you know that [TS]

00:31:55   what's-his-name Maurice else and now you [TS]

00:31:58   got that guy you got the guy who's like [TS]

00:31:59   Duncan he's like the guy who always has [TS]

00:32:01   the bomb guy in world war two movies you [TS]

00:32:03   know [TS]

00:32:04   ok i always like a British officer right [TS]

00:32:06   right yeah but what I'm starting to [TS]

00:32:08   notice is that all the Warlocks in the [TS]

00:32:10   brook bewitched cosmology are on the [TS]

00:32:14   down-low right they're all a little gay [TS]

00:32:17   Oh in trysting maybe this explains why [TS]

00:32:21   there's no half Morlocks I don't know [TS]

00:32:24   what a half where I might even I I feel [TS]

00:32:27   like maybe a half wizard you know what i [TS]

00:32:28   mean like i am a wizard but what about [TS]

00:32:31   the kid what about the kid they [TS]

00:32:32   disappeared [TS]

00:32:33   you've got to get Samantha and durwood [TS]

00:32:35   and they got their kid they had the [TS]

00:32:36   daughter [TS]

00:32:37   uh-oh its daughter's name or your deep [TS]

00:32:40   into it now I I can't go this deep on we [TS]

00:32:42   got the daughter and then remember don't [TS]

00:32:44   this is one of the early examples of [TS]

00:32:46   disappearing a character from a show [TS]

00:32:48   when they added they had the strap on [TS]

00:32:50   kid you know when you get that you have [TS]

00:32:51   a wedding you have a strapon ki added to [TS]

00:32:54   the mix and they had this little kid and [TS]

00:32:56   then the next season began [TS]

00:32:57   he's gone well that's not even that's [TS]

00:33:00   not even as close to as baffling as the [TS]

00:33:03   fact that Darren changed from completely [TS]

00:33:06   one guy to a completely different guys [TS]

00:33:08   whole personality change to the original [TS]

00:33:11   Parent the original Derek dick York [TS]

00:33:13   was he was be funneled but he was Easter [TS]

00:33:16   you could tell that he really loved her [TS]

00:33:18   yeah and the second Aaron he seemed he [TS]

00:33:21   seemed like it was a little crabby well [TS]

00:33:23   here's a little bit crabby yeah and I [TS]

00:33:24   guess that was the kind of amp up the [TS]

00:33:26   how far we're gonna take this whole you [TS]

00:33:27   know which in the suburbs thing [TS]

00:33:29   yeah which in the suburbs huh I mean [TS]

00:33:32   when you think about escape to Witch [TS]

00:33:34   Mountain right escape to Witch Mountain [TS]

00:33:38   that's the brother and the sister to [TS]

00:33:40   disney movie i remember much happens in [TS]

00:33:43   that wasn't the Benji era [TS]

00:33:44   yeah that's right it was it was in the [TS]

00:33:46   jodi for young Jodie Foster era escape [TS]

00:33:48   too much medical she can tell she wasn't [TS]

00:33:50   right that's right candleshoe to escape [TS]

00:33:52   to Witch Mountain was a was a very [TS]

00:33:54   formative film for me because the [TS]

00:33:57   brother and sister had some magic powers [TS]

00:34:00   some witchy powers [TS]

00:34:01   yeah and they were being pursued by [TS]

00:34:04   Donald Pleasence I love that guy or [TS]

00:34:07   Donald Pleasence is yet on plus i don't [TS]

00:34:09   you talk about the Donald Pleasence it [TS]

00:34:11   at seven young ray milland ray milland [TS]

00:34:14   who right uh but they had witchy powers [TS]

00:34:18   and they were like you know they were [TS]

00:34:19   being adults were bad and adults had [TS]

00:34:22   authority over them and sort of power [TS]

00:34:24   over them but then they could do these [TS]

00:34:25   little tricks they could levitate cats [TS]

00:34:27   and they could you know unlocked doors [TS]

00:34:30   they had telekinesis and as a kid as a [TS]

00:34:33   you know eight-year-old or [TS]

00:34:35   seven-year-old I really really I wasn't [TS]

00:34:39   I wasn't ready to imagine a world [TS]

00:34:42   without adults imagine a world where [TS]

00:34:45   adults couldn't put you in your room and [TS]

00:34:46   lock the door but I was prepared to [TS]

00:34:49   imagine a world where I had telekinesis [TS]

00:34:51   and could unlock the door or could you [TS]

00:34:55   know like get a bowl of ice cream from [TS]

00:34:57   the kitchen and floated into my room [TS]

00:34:59   while nobody was watching right so we'll [TS]

00:35:02   escape from witch mountain very very [TS]

00:35:03   very influential on me and it was scary [TS]

00:35:06   to and then [TS]

00:35:08   spoiler alert turns out there who foes [TS]

00:35:11   are you even kidding me know their foes [TS]

00:35:14   stranded stranded here because there was [TS]

00:35:17   a new focus i never knew that I never [TS]

00:35:19   knew that [TS]

00:35:20   yeah because it's because it's a little [TS]

00:35:22   confusing at the end you know all the [TS]

00:35:23   way through the film they're having [TS]

00:35:24   these flashbacks of [TS]

00:35:25   like they're there in the waves there's [TS]

00:35:29   like there's no and it goes from fantasy [TS]

00:35:31   science fiction [TS]

00:35:32   mm so it's not that they were little [TS]

00:35:35   witches it is that they were who foes [TS]

00:35:39   and and they didn't even understand it [TS]

00:35:41   they were like what are these weird [TS]

00:35:43   powers that we have because the [TS]

00:35:44   spaceship crash happened in there very [TS]

00:35:47   early memory [TS]

00:35:48   okay what are these little power you [TS]

00:35:50   know how can we do this we're we're such [TS]

00:35:52   weirdos only we understand one another [TS]

00:35:54   little incesti to uh huh [TS]

00:35:57   they can talk to each other huh uh yeah [TS]

00:35:59   they can talk to each other with [TS]

00:36:01   psionics now psionics mm-my again [TS]

00:36:07   my understanding is incomplete but i [TS]

00:36:08   believe psionics are strictly a Dungeons [TS]

00:36:12   and Dragons power there are several [TS]

00:36:16   things that mark me as a slack dnd [TS]

00:36:19   player as we talked about in the past we [TS]

00:36:22   would never play encumbrance we wouldn't [TS]

00:36:24   deal with the turn stuff we just want to [TS]

00:36:25   like have adventures we also didn't do a [TS]

00:36:27   lot with psionics with which frustrated [TS]

00:36:28   some people i think it depends on what [TS]

00:36:30   you grew up with now as a as somebody [TS]

00:36:32   who came to the x-men late and is a fan [TS]

00:36:35   of phoenix and stuff like that or like [TS]

00:36:37   scarlet witch and I think we're talking [TS]

00:36:39   I think you're talking about scarlet [TS]

00:36:40   witch in Phoenix kind of powers right [TS]

00:36:41   you're talking about mine things mind [TS]

00:36:44   things so they look like an illusionist [TS]

00:36:46   or a magic-user there that's a trade [TS]

00:36:50   almost right yeah i mean you don't have [TS]

00:36:51   to have spent my obviously you've gotta [TS]

00:36:52   roll the right numbers but you don't [TS]

00:36:54   have to have extraordinary abilities to [TS]

00:36:57   take that up as a trade like to know [TS]

00:36:59   what I'm going to mechanic I feel like [TS]

00:37:00   ricky jay is a this world magic user [TS]

00:37:05   rights I mean Ricky J he's an [TS]

00:37:07   illusionist such thing as an illusionist [TS]

00:37:08   well he's an illusionist but if you [TS]

00:37:10   could be a magic-user in this world I [TS]

00:37:11   think he would be able to be always work [TS]

00:37:14   up some spells have been little hammer [TS]

00:37:16   and pestle and you know take some grind [TS]

00:37:18   up some herbs and make a little make a [TS]

00:37:21   little spell ok causes you to forget the [TS]

00:37:24   last six hours or causes you to [TS]

00:37:26   you know like it makes a sword dance [TS]

00:37:31   makes a candlestick dance you know what [TS]

00:37:33   I mean [TS]

00:37:33   hmm but but a magic-user and honestly my [TS]

00:37:40   first dungeons and dragons character was [TS]

00:37:42   a magic-user again because that's what [TS]

00:37:45   your old no because that's what I [TS]

00:37:47   thought [TS]

00:37:48   yeah I wonder we get to yeah I was just [TS]

00:37:51   like I'm making a magic-user make him i [TS]

00:37:55   think he was also a half health half [TS]

00:37:57   health magic user who really sure that's [TS]

00:38:00   what my first character was because [TS]

00:38:03   because again that's kind of how I [TS]

00:38:06   thought of myself if you talked about [TS]

00:38:08   this a bit in the past and I don't want [TS]

00:38:10   to beat into the ground is a bit but it [TS]

00:38:12   sounds like there have been times in [TS]

00:38:14   your life where not to say that you [TS]

00:38:16   believe you could conjure an orb but [TS]

00:38:18   like it wasn't an impossible thing that [TS]

00:38:21   we definitely never happen i kept being [TS]

00:38:23   confused about why I couldn't [TS]

00:38:25   let's say let's say that i was i was [TS]

00:38:28   just a little disappointed a little [TS]

00:38:30   confused and I think and and and this [TS]

00:38:32   confusion was it long long predated my [TS]

00:38:37   exposure even to lower the rings or [TS]

00:38:41   really any kind of magic TV show magic I [TS]

00:38:47   just I just didn't understand if anybody [TS]

00:38:51   could do it [TS]

00:38:52   it surely would be me why can I not do [TS]

00:38:55   it and and write it and then it was hot [TS]

00:38:57   that it was equally hard to accept that [TS]

00:39:00   nobody can because that didn't seem [TS]

00:39:02   right either [TS]

00:39:03   like why with humans can do quite a bit [TS]

00:39:07   of magic in the sense that you know we [TS]

00:39:10   build bridges over rivers we it all [TS]

00:39:12   seems kind of magical right [TS]

00:39:14   why then would we not be able to to act [TS]

00:39:19   at a distance with you know just [TS]

00:39:21   tinkling our fingers or even even just [TS]

00:39:23   holding out your palm and little spark [TS]

00:39:26   stands [TS]

00:39:27   yeah there's there's some in the in the [TS]

00:39:30   Marvel world especially like in the [TS]

00:39:32   x-men there are there's there are people [TS]

00:39:35   who start out with these abilities that [TS]

00:39:36   are super interesting but i think they [TS]

00:39:38   feel like it's not enough for to have [TS]

00:39:40   the whole character on to give my goal [TS]

00:39:41   they can also get big or get super [TS]

00:39:43   strength but there are people like I [TS]

00:39:44   want to say long shot i want to say [TS]

00:39:46   maybe psylocke but there are these do [TS]

00:39:49   these characters who one of their [TS]

00:39:50   abilities is what you could just roughly [TS]

00:39:53   call luckiness uh-huh [TS]

00:39:55   no it's really interesting but basically [TS]

00:39:56   with scarlet witch before she's able to [TS]

00:39:58   make you know Scott which is such a [TS]

00:40:01   weird like huge deal in the comics and [TS]

00:40:03   increasingly now and then the movies but [TS]

00:40:05   she's interesting her basic skill at the [TS]

00:40:07   beginning was that she could change the [TS]

00:40:10   likelihood of things going our way [TS]

00:40:12   how I would that be like so basically [TS]

00:40:15   she but you get people like her it's [TS]

00:40:17   only collecting harry potter takes the [TS]

00:40:18   good luck serum right and same here like [TS]

00:40:21   you have the ability to like somehow [TS]

00:40:23   alter the odds of how things are going [TS]

00:40:25   for you and your team they always give [TS]

00:40:26   the awesome defensive skills to the [TS]

00:40:27   women so it's like it's like now all of [TS]

00:40:29   a sudden you have a fifty six percent [TS]

00:40:31   chance of any outcome but it would seem [TS]

00:40:34   to me within those worlds that that [TS]

00:40:36   would that the temptation would be to [TS]

00:40:40   just make look go their way every time [TS]

00:40:42   right which wouldn't be as interesting [TS]

00:40:44   as like well let's hope it's okay look [TS]

00:40:47   goes away there's a better chance than [TS]

00:40:49   even yeah but that's the story of people [TS]

00:40:50   that's me miss Peter Parker so great is [TS]

00:40:52   that like his whole obsession is that [TS]

00:40:54   like he wants to take what he has and [TS]

00:40:56   use it in a good way you know with great [TS]

00:40:57   power comes great responsibility [TS]

00:40:59   right right well let me ask okay here we [TS]

00:41:02   have professor bald [TS]

00:41:05   yeah and his school from you [TS]

00:41:08   yeah right if you because mutant ability [TS]

00:41:13   seems to you know it comes out across [TS]

00:41:15   the human spectrum right yeah they're [TS]

00:41:18   mutants from everywhere and they have a [TS]

00:41:20   lot of different powers and it doesn't [TS]

00:41:21   seem to me first of all two things [TS]

00:41:23   within x-men [TS]

00:41:24   hmm it doesn't seem that you ever get to [TS]

00:41:26   people who have the same powers [TS]

00:41:30   depends on how you define that but no I [TS]

00:41:33   mean there there are Indians and I print [TS]

00:41:35   yeah but I mean there's especially in [TS]

00:41:39   the nineties there are way too many [TS]

00:41:41   x-men with way too many powers and so [TS]

00:41:43   there's less people there's lots of [TS]

00:41:43   teleporters oh i see for example where [TS]

00:41:46   there are people who can phase through [TS]

00:41:48   solid things there's several characters [TS]

00:41:50   that can do that see but it's like [TS]

00:41:51   Cyclops had a baby with another mutant [TS]

00:41:55   he did that did that baby also have [TS]

00:41:58   Cyclops and powers [TS]

00:41:59   oh way bigger than that now depends on [TS]

00:42:01   which universe here in NYC is so like it [TS]

00:42:03   is one universe where he and Jim Gray [TS]

00:42:06   had a baby and is another another [TS]

00:42:08   universe where he and Sam Madelyne Pryor [TS]

00:42:10   had a baby but basically they hope [TS]

00:42:13   summers his daughter becomes spoiler [TS]

00:42:16   alert becomes the new Phoenix oh that [TS]

00:42:19   side but I thought Jean Grey was [TS]

00:42:21   basically top mutant and Jean Grey's [TS]

00:42:25   feet when she became dark phoenix she's [TS]

00:42:29   even beyond omega-level mutant point [TS]

00:42:31   she's got she's got she basically she [TS]

00:42:33   eats a world she pulls Galactus on this [TS]

00:42:35   entire like star system so she's as big [TS]

00:42:37   a deal as like big blue penis man that's [TS]

00:42:41   interesting because big blue penis man I [TS]

00:42:43   mean how do you have more powers and [TS]

00:42:44   blue penis man I mean that's not all he [TS]

00:42:47   didn't have the power to just not be [TS]

00:42:49   interested in what humans thought yeah [TS]

00:42:52   yeah they compare them to our reader [TS]

00:42:54   issues a lot but you know I wish that [TS]

00:42:56   Richard the stretching man he's [TS]

00:42:58   stretching man you know i also have two [TS]

00:43:00   I owe you an apology i read too quickly [TS]

00:43:02   in the 1975 film escape to Witch [TS]

00:43:05   Mountain that features both ray milland [TS]

00:43:07   and Donald Pleasence so ray milland was [TS]

00:43:10   Donald Pleasence his proxy [TS]

00:43:12   alright instant Aristotle bolt and Lucas [TS]

00:43:16   Deranian yeah right so Donald Pleasence [TS]

00:43:19   was the one that was sitting with a [TS]

00:43:21   white cat like slowly petting a white [TS]

00:43:23   cat on it literally was he was if you [TS]

00:43:25   remember I believe he was that guy i [TS]

00:43:28   remember all too well wasn't he in the [TS]

00:43:30   in the James Bond movie was that guy [TS]

00:43:32   it was the pepper white cap what's his [TS]

00:43:34   name was with the name of Boris Bob [TS]

00:43:38   Boris Karloff right for the great [TS]

00:43:39   universalmovies but here's another thing [TS]

00:43:42   about x [TS]

00:43:43   and that i want to ask this seems like [TS]

00:43:44   something that is that i do not know I [TS]

00:43:47   don't even have a gag about yeah it's [TS]

00:43:49   just a question if you were a mutant who [TS]

00:43:52   had some time about professor groovy [TS]

00:43:56   Ilan's house of mutants [TS]

00:43:59   yeah school mean yes if you're a mutant [TS]

00:44:02   power was that every time you sneeze [TS]

00:44:07   sneeze glitter let's say you just sneeze [TS]

00:44:11   glitter that was your that's a [TS]

00:44:13   definitely a mutant power [TS]

00:44:14   yeah right like whoa if you were like a [TS]

00:44:17   glitter sneezer your friends and family [TS]

00:44:21   and stuff would be very concerned and [TS]

00:44:23   then ultimately like not into you right [TS]

00:44:25   like you can't live among us your [TS]

00:44:28   Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer [TS]

00:44:29   that's right you're you're very much a [TS]

00:44:31   mutant so this glitter some user has all [TS]

00:44:33   the problems of immune like don't live [TS]

00:44:35   around here every time you sneeze we get [TS]

00:44:38   glitter all over us [TS]

00:44:40   glitter in that it's impossible to get [TS]

00:44:41   off the characters names gesundheit [TS]

00:44:44   [Music] [TS]

00:44:45   but is glitter sneezing a big enough [TS]

00:44:48   mutant power that that Professor Xavier [TS]

00:44:51   will have you in his school I like would [TS]

00:44:53   you pass the audition yeah right i mean [TS]

00:44:55   it's it's the school can't contain [TS]

00:44:57   everybody can have every single glitters [TS]

00:45:00   and using mutant no no it's a good [TS]

00:45:02   question so where would you go live [TS]

00:45:03   where you mean gene is out there right [TS]

00:45:05   new gene causes people to have these [TS]

00:45:07   mutations they usually appear somewhere [TS]

00:45:09   around puberty and the truth is for most [TS]

00:45:11   people like run-of-the-mill like people [TS]

00:45:14   are trying to pass you know they don't [TS]

00:45:17   want to get clocked as being immune [TS]

00:45:19   because obviously become an outcast and [TS]

00:45:21   a know the very the very first like four [TS]

00:45:23   pages of the 1975 x-men is them trying [TS]

00:45:25   to like burned down the building that [TS]

00:45:27   night crawlers and because he's a mutant [TS]

00:45:29   yeah and so I mean that's that's kind of [TS]

00:45:31   the whole thrust of the story is that [TS]

00:45:32   these people are different so you got a [TS]

00:45:33   lot of people have to her trying to set [TS]

00:45:35   the word pass [TS]

00:45:36   yeah we're trying to pass as being a [TS]

00:45:38   homo sapien and and so if you're just [TS]

00:45:43   out there and don't think the one thing [TS]

00:45:44   you can do is like talk two mice but [TS]

00:45:47   mice don't really have that they don't [TS]

00:45:48   have a way to talk to you [TS]

00:45:50   well or they can have you know everyone [TS]

00:45:51   very powerful walkie-talkie or you know [TS]

00:45:53   even if you can communicate back and [TS]

00:45:55   forth [TS]

00:45:56   his cheeks yeah mice don't have much to [TS]

00:45:59   say right [TS]

00:46:00   holy shit she's pooped cheese rod by [TS]

00:46:03   Todd gap and so that's your heard that's [TS]

00:46:06   your ability [TS]

00:46:07   uh-huh and you're like not even you're [TS]

00:46:09   not even like ant-man and men who [TS]

00:46:11   initially was so lame and initial [TS]

00:46:13   ability was to control ants and [TS]

00:46:14   communicate with dance haha [TS]

00:46:16   the thing is they kept hitting him up [TS]

00:46:17   within like like fewer than like 10 [TS]

00:46:19   issues they were joining him up to where [TS]

00:46:20   he can not only get very tiny than a [TS]

00:46:22   giant managed to come really big but [TS]

00:46:23   first the very first issue the Avengers [TS]

00:46:26   you basically Loki has fooled Hulk and [TS]

00:46:29   is trying to cause he's basically like [TS]

00:46:31   trying to cause this this giant to send [TS]

00:46:33   all the Avengers are going after hawk [TS]

00:46:34   because they think he's a monster and [TS]

00:46:36   it's like you know iron man is doing [TS]

00:46:38   this in capital know this before Captain [TS]

00:46:39   America but you know and Thor's doing [TS]

00:46:41   this and it's like a man says I will [TS]

00:46:42   send my ants all over the planet to try [TS]

00:46:44   to find the Hulk get the edible but in [TS]

00:46:47   this case you're saying you're not even [TS]

00:46:48   a mouse wrangler at this point you're [TS]

00:46:50   just as you get your mouse whisper you [TS]

00:46:52   can't make the my students because [TS]

00:46:53   you're like my go-to the place and [TS]

00:46:55   they're like a cheese geez cats they're [TS]

00:46:58   not smart metal but you know my friend [TS]

00:47:01   Mike Squires who is a terrible person [TS]

00:47:05   he said that if he could have any [TS]

00:47:08   superpower it would be to give it would [TS]

00:47:11   be 22 telekinetically psionically give [TS]

00:47:16   anyone explosive diarrhea talk about [TS]

00:47:20   spooky action and it starts right [TS]

00:47:22   because even if you're fighting captain [TS]

00:47:25   america even if you're fighting Jean [TS]

00:47:26   Grey if you give her explosive diarrhea [TS]

00:47:29   all of a sudden she's got bigger [TS]

00:47:32   problems she's got something else to [TS]

00:47:33   think about you get I mean not across [TS]

00:47:35   the universe here you get Superman super [TS]

00:47:37   diarrhea [TS]

00:47:38   yeah he's all of a sudden in his super [TS]

00:47:41   drawers [TS]

00:47:42   he's got a fucking problem he's gonna [TS]

00:47:45   want to get out of there and go get [TS]

00:47:47   cleaned up [TS]

00:47:48   that's pretty good right cuz nobody's [TS]

00:47:49   gonna want to fight you when they're all [TS]

00:47:52   messy know so be very distracting [TS]

00:47:55   yeah so Mike's thing was like explosive [TS]

00:47:57   diarrhea defeats all other superheroes [TS]

00:48:00   and bad guys because it's just like [TS]

00:48:03   think about somebody who's so fucked up [TS]

00:48:06   that they will continue to fight you [TS]

00:48:08   after like it's awful it's an awful idea [TS]

00:48:12   he's a terrible person but it's kind of [TS]

00:48:15   fucking great [TS]

00:48:16   that's a good i see I person I'm very [TS]

00:48:17   attracted to what I will call the [TS]

00:48:19   defensive skills nigga now let's get [TS]

00:48:22   back to the meetings in a minute because [TS]

00:48:23   actually an explanation kind of what [TS]

00:48:24   you're asking about [TS]

00:48:25   but like yeah I'll my favorite my [TS]

00:48:27   favorite skills the defensive skills [TS]

00:48:28   yeah right like no reporting teleporting [TS]

00:48:30   is kind of a defensive skills the [TS]

00:48:31   ability to create a portal that other [TS]

00:48:33   people can jump through that's a [TS]

00:48:34   fantastic skills wonderful kk t product [TS]

00:48:36   kitty pryde one of my all-time favorite [TS]

00:48:38   character she has the ability to [TS]

00:48:40   basically phase through solid objects so [TS]

00:48:42   she can do stuff there's a hostage [TS]

00:48:43   situation she shows up she can start [TS]

00:48:45   sneaking people out through the floor [TS]

00:48:46   and stuff like that [TS]

00:48:47   I love those kinds of skills so I mean [TS]

00:48:49   like the banner like Marky characters [TS]

00:48:51   are the people who can hook and pound on [TS]

00:48:53   each other [TS]

00:48:54   yeah but imagine if you could instill [TS]

00:48:56   really crushing self-doubt alright in [TS]

00:49:01   someone even temporarily think that the [TS]

00:49:04   character's name would be mom Jewish mom [TS]

00:49:07   like here comes Superman Mike Squires [TS]

00:49:10   causes him to have explosive diarrhea [TS]

00:49:11   and then I give him a momentary crushing [TS]

00:49:15   self-doubt so he's just like him [TS]

00:49:17   all fuck am I doing this right no I why [TS]

00:49:20   do I even bother what am i what's my [TS]

00:49:22   pope and he's just like I died exploding [TS]

00:49:24   on another planet so you could live like [TS]

00:49:25   this [TS]

00:49:26   yeah he just sort of floats off like the [TS]

00:49:29   brow furrowed yah pants soiled and boom [TS]

00:49:34   who cares apiece as strong as as as [TS]

00:49:37   kryptonite you know he can't a lot of [TS]

00:49:40   strong people that don't have [TS]

00:49:41   self-confidence you don't hear about [TS]

00:49:42   them [TS]

00:49:43   yeah precisely so so my superpower the [TS]

00:49:46   one that I devised after after that the [TS]

00:49:51   most awful Mike Squires put into my head [TS]

00:49:55   that it wasn't necessary that you have [TS]

00:49:56   like a strength some kind of like a pop [TS]

00:50:01   OH [TS]

00:50:02   if power yeah I that's when I started [TS]

00:50:06   calling myself the oxidizer oh is this [TS]

00:50:09   you want to be rust I wanted to be rust [TS]

00:50:11   right business because although rust [TS]

00:50:15   wouldn't work against Superman message [TS]

00:50:17   sarily within because i'm thinking of [TS]

00:50:19   clothes i'm thinking more of a mutant [TS]

00:50:21   power rather than like a superpower but [TS]

00:50:24   as a mutant on earth you could you could [TS]

00:50:30   wreak a lot of havoc being able to just [TS]

00:50:32   trust all metal that's a very [TS]

00:50:35   destructive power [TS]

00:50:37   yeah it is a because like once its [TS]

00:50:40   rusted you salted the earth you can't [TS]

00:50:42   really use it again but the thing is [TS]

00:50:43   like it's it's just it's defensive and [TS]

00:50:45   when you turn every car into a Fiat for [TS]

00:50:48   just a short amount of time might kinda [TS]

00:50:50   actually be into that because there's a [TS]

00:50:51   lot of cool fiat right ok but like let's [TS]

00:50:53   say the cops are like comin atcha you [TS]

00:50:56   it's not like you're gonna kill the cops [TS]

00:50:57   or even like magneto like take their [TS]

00:51:00   guns away and because magneto it's not [TS]

00:51:02   that he takes their guns away it's that [TS]

00:51:04   he turns the guns on them right he's [TS]

00:51:07   like he's a batty you can stop the [TS]

00:51:09   bullets and turn around and all kinds of [TS]

00:51:11   stuff [TS]

00:51:11   yeah but what if you just rusted the [TS]

00:51:13   guns my mom and then it's not that you [TS]

00:51:17   haven't killed them you have no there [TS]

00:51:19   are no threat to them [TS]

00:51:20   you've just taken away their power [TS]

00:51:22   you've taken away their human power I [TS]

00:51:25   get it I get it right like and so it's a [TS]

00:51:28   destructive power if it's misused but i [TS]

00:51:30   think it would be a be a great I think [TS]

00:51:33   you could be you could be an agent of [TS]

00:51:35   peace [TS]

00:51:36   Marlon because you would you go over to [TS]

00:51:38   conflict areas and swords into rusty [TS]

00:51:41   plowshares yeah exactly exactly you [TS]

00:51:43   hammer swords into yeah right like when [TS]

00:51:46   the great bluesman like general rusty [TS]

00:51:48   plowshares and almost to plowshares who [TS]

00:51:50   had the power of tetanus button tennis [TS]

00:51:54   and slowly was blind blind at birth but [TS]

00:51:58   yeah I think about that you could go [TS]

00:51:59   over and there's big armies attack each [TS]

00:52:01   other and you're just like rust and then [TS]

00:52:04   what do they do you have to have to play [TS]

00:52:06   soccer on christmas day we increasingly [TS]

00:52:08   have fewer things made out of metal [TS]

00:52:10   though I mean you've got things like you [TS]

00:52:12   got to think about the armor that people [TS]

00:52:14   wear isn't that kind of like a super [TS]

00:52:15   plastic mmm yeah but i think that i [TS]

00:52:19   think that the metal like here's your [TS]

00:52:22   big titanium airplane right it'sit's [TS]

00:52:25   yeah here's your stainless steel which [TS]

00:52:27   mccollins right but then the call [TS]

00:52:30   amp that's holding the wires that are [TS]

00:52:36   that are part of the fly-by-wire system [TS]

00:52:40   like the staple that ultimately holds it [TS]

00:52:43   all together is still made out of steel [TS]

00:52:46   and again I get it I get it [TS]

00:52:48   and so you just you know you just take [TS]

00:52:50   it apart like like all those ceramic [TS]

00:52:52   guns that people are worried about [TS]

00:52:54   getting through airports or whatever [TS]

00:52:56   they're the barrel is still metal huh [TS]

00:52:59   right it's there's a lot of ceramic in [TS]

00:53:02   it but as far as I know there's no [TS]

00:53:06   ceramic barrel and and then ultimately [TS]

00:53:10   like they're on ceramic bullets right [TS]

00:53:14   the casings are still metal you going to [TS]

00:53:16   make it would suck to have a kind of [TS]

00:53:17   power that like when they come up with [TS]

00:53:20   in the 40 50 60 is incredibly powerful [TS]

00:53:23   but then over time it just becomes less [TS]

00:53:25   and less relevant like you have the the [TS]

00:53:26   ability to disrupt 9600 baud modem for [TS]

00:53:29   something higher the ability to cause [TS]

00:53:32   all a hairpin mod suddenly gone and all [TS]

00:53:36   all the Popular's fallen hero is the [TS]

00:53:39   ability to blend just raised her right [TS]

00:53:43   that would be terrible because you [TS]

00:53:46   gradually I mean I feel a little bit [TS]

00:53:48   like that a lot of my superpowers are [TS]

00:53:49   becoming important more irrelevant the [TS]

00:53:52   ability to tell a 54 les paul from a 56 [TS]

00:53:55   Les Paul isn't just nobody cares anymore [TS]

00:53:59   don't seem like such a loser anymore [TS]

00:54:00   this the ability to argue with someone [TS]

00:54:03   for four hours about whether or not the [TS]

00:54:06   long and winding road is a good song is [TS]

00:54:09   not i mean although i was practicing [TS]

00:54:11   that just yesterday but I feel like 20 [TS]

00:54:14   years from now it's gonna be a lot [TS]

00:54:16   harder that's what side you're on [TS]

00:54:18   on that long and winding road yeah uh [TS]

00:54:22   I'm original list who so i do not like [TS]

00:54:25   let it be naked [TS]

00:54:26   I mean I like it as a document oh yeah [TS]

00:54:28   sure interesting sort of like oh that's [TS]

00:54:30   interesting sort of like all that [TS]

00:54:31   beatles box set stuff that came out what [TS]

00:54:33   you're saying this is the one that went [TS]

00:54:34   up on the screen how do we feel about [TS]

00:54:36   that right and I don't feel I do not at [TS]

00:54:40   all believe the river [TS]

00:54:43   the paul mccartney revisionism because [TS]

00:54:45   AI do not believe McCartney revisionism [TS]

00:54:47   just in general as a blanket because i [TS]

00:54:51   do not trust Paul McCartney to not be [TS]

00:54:54   working to try and preserve what he [TS]

00:54:58   imagines he wants his legacy to be yeah [TS]

00:55:01   right like Paul the whole like I was the [TS]

00:55:03   first one to take LSD it's like mmm I [TS]

00:55:06   don't know Paul maybe but seems weird [TS]

00:55:09   that you're saying that now but all the [TS]

00:55:12   polls whole business of we never wanted [TS]

00:55:16   Phil Spector to to do all that just [TS]

00:55:20   seems a little suspect like you sure you [TS]

00:55:23   didn't [TS]

00:55:24   are you sure I i buy that with XTC and [TS]

00:55:28   Todd Rundgren because I get the feeling [TS]

00:55:30   Todd Rundgren's had this record is like [TS]

00:55:32   it's a pretty good record but like I can [TS]

00:55:34   only make this way better i'm gonna go [TS]

00:55:35   away for a little while I'm gonna do [TS]

00:55:36   some stuff to it [TS]

00:55:37   yeah now as it happens I have to be one [TS]

00:55:39   of people who likes what he did to it [TS]

00:55:41   and I think in the fullness of time even [TS]

00:55:42   in Trapani Partridge kinda came around [TS]

00:55:44   on skylarking and so you know actually [TS]

00:55:46   did a really good job with that but the [TS]

00:55:48   phil spector stuff the promise and I [TS]

00:55:50   don't hate the long and winding road but [TS]

00:55:52   i think it's a so I think it's somewhat [TS]

00:55:53   slight a song i mean as the but the [TS]

00:55:57   bones of the song are not that great [TS]

00:55:59   it's a little grandma e as a John would [TS]

00:56:02   say not a bad song is not a bad song but [TS]

00:56:05   what you remember about that song [TS]

00:56:08   probably is the phil spector part that's [TS]

00:56:11   exactly right my mom pom-pom that's what [TS]

00:56:13   people remember if I mean if you think [TS]

00:56:15   about the lyrics like the law the wild [TS]

00:56:18   and windy night that the rain washed [TS]

00:56:21   away has left a pool of tears crying for [TS]

00:56:25   the day that is terrible that then [TS]

00:56:29   that's no and your bird can sing and [TS]

00:56:31   write and not only is it terrible but [TS]

00:56:33   it's the very beginning it's the [TS]

00:56:35   foreshadowing of all of McCartney's [TS]

00:56:38   garbage lyrics from the seventies [TS]

00:56:40   yeah right and so here here it is this [TS]

00:56:43   is the moment in the beatles where John [TS]

00:56:46   is no longer contributing to Paul what [TS]

00:56:50   you John is with the OCO somewhere he's [TS]

00:56:52   in he's it he's having a bed in [TS]

00:56:56   and he's strung out east he's yeah i [TS]

00:56:59   mean i love it i feel i feel like this i [TS]

00:57:02   have an albatross here which is I used [TS]

00:57:04   to be one of those people that I know [TS]

00:57:05   kind of you know roll my eyes but I [TS]

00:57:07   didn't know the full facts about what [TS]

00:57:08   John's life was like I thought he was [TS]

00:57:10   mostly just being an asshole he was [TS]

00:57:12   incredibly depressed he was what [TS]

00:57:14   probably addicted to heroin and [TS]

00:57:15   marijuana at that point he was but John [TS]

00:57:17   was a very very troubled person what it [TS]

00:57:20   i guess i consider myself a [TS]

00:57:21   meteorologist which is silly because I [TS]

00:57:23   never really knew the extent to which [TS]

00:57:25   even by 1965-66 John was not happy [TS]

00:57:29   person in the people's yeah but I think [TS]

00:57:30   of as their creative zenith was almost [TS]

00:57:34   that's an improbable fluke that they had [TS]

00:57:37   two or three records as good as they did [TS]

00:57:38   because jon was so checked out [TS]

00:57:41   I mean he was depressed well he was [TS]

00:57:42   depressed and I think when I think about [TS]

00:57:44   that I think it is because jon was an [TS]

00:57:46   anti-authoritarian and he was happiest [TS]

00:57:49   when he was assailing the walls of the [TS]

00:57:51   castle and then once he was inside the [TS]

00:57:53   castle who could he hate right he was [TS]

00:57:57   the top and everyone count out to him [TS]

00:58:02   right think of the the the the bowing [TS]

00:58:05   and scraping and groveling that most [TS]

00:58:07   people did around John Lennon circus 66 [TS]

00:58:10   67 and so he could no longer be the anti [TS]

00:58:13   mean he could give back his MBE or at [TS]

00:58:16   the very least he always considered [TS]

00:58:17   himself an underdog an outsider right [TS]

00:58:19   underdog an outsider and all the sudden [TS]

00:58:21   he was the consummate insider whereas [TS]

00:58:22   Paul just what you know he just loved it [TS]

00:58:25   was a performer [TS]

00:58:26   he was a performer he was having a good [TS]

00:58:28   time in 62 he was having a good time in [TS]

00:58:31   yeah and I think that's Paul's greatest [TS]

00:58:32   strength but John must have found Paul [TS]

00:58:36   incredibly intolerable when John's role [TS]

00:58:40   as the gadfly and the you know and thus [TS]

00:58:43   not the sniper was was gone because we [TS]

00:58:47   have Paul flourished in that world but [TS]

00:58:49   heroin [TS]

00:58:51   I think took him out of the game and [TS]

00:58:54   also disinterest and so you know when [TS]

00:58:57   Paul comes to you and says woke up to [TS]

00:59:01   load up in to breakthrough because it [TS]

00:59:04   like John could be like yeah but [TS]

00:59:08   you know here we go right like he's [TS]

00:59:11   going to give you the he's going to give [TS]

00:59:14   you the that the ugly side the dark side [TS]

00:59:16   whereas when you know he's sitting there [TS]

00:59:18   kind of half nodding out and yoko is [TS]

00:59:20   cleaning his ear with a fuckin toothpick [TS]

00:59:22   and Paul's like the world would be noted [TS]

00:59:25   that the rain washed away has left the [TS]

00:59:27   pool of Tears going for the day and just [TS]

00:59:29   like whatever man [TS]

00:59:30   fine all right you know good good [TS]

00:59:33   because Paul's like he recognizes at [TS]

00:59:35   that point that he's he's trying to get [TS]

00:59:37   with he's trying to get up to John's [TS]

00:59:39   thing he's trying to appease John with [TS]

00:59:42   using the word tears and crying you know [TS]

00:59:45   he's like he's making it is trying to [TS]

00:59:48   make it morose because Paul wants to [TS]

00:59:50   fill every space so he's trying to he's [TS]

00:59:53   trying to preempt John's criticism by [TS]

00:59:56   saying like no no this isn't like a [TS]

00:59:58   vaudeville song about how [TS]

00:59:58   vaudeville song about how [TS]

01:00:00   happy I am this is like now the wild and [TS]

01:00:02   windy night it's like that's um George [TS]

01:00:04   Harrison styles that you notice i sound [TS]

01:00:05   sad I'm sad now so there's so you have [TS]

01:00:09   no there's no criticism you can offer [TS]

01:00:11   right you're not going to add anything [TS]

01:00:12   to my satsang and John's like a you know [TS]

01:00:17   and yoko's picking nits out of his hair [TS]

01:00:19   throughout his beard and it's just like [TS]

01:00:21   yeah it's all you know it's all going to [TS]

01:00:23   shit here but within the beatles cannon [TS]

01:00:27   i am not somebody I mean think about [TS]

01:00:31   think about why don't we do it in the [TS]

01:00:35   road which obviously is a great rock and [TS]

01:00:37   roll song but a pretty weak effort as [TS]

01:00:42   from a songwriters perspective he sees [TS]

01:00:44   pandering not to the audience but to [TS]

01:00:46   John because he knows that the one thing [TS]

01:00:49   that will get John out of bed in the [TS]

01:00:51   morning is rock and roll by the Blues [TS]

01:00:53   dump dump dump dump doesn't just don't [TS]

01:00:56   like a 12-bar blues song basically yeah [TS]

01:00:58   i mean so he's he's you know Paul's [TS]

01:01:01   trying every angle here to like not only [TS]

01:01:05   to win back John but also to you know to [TS]

01:01:09   fill to fill the space that John [TS]

01:01:11   previously occupied and Paul that's not [TS]

01:01:15   what that wasn't the best job for Paul [TS]

01:01:17   right Paul's job was to was to make the [TS]

01:01:20   killer the killer melodies and the kill [TS]

01:01:22   he's you know he's killer right [TS]

01:01:24   no but like many times I've been alone [TS]

01:01:31   in many times I've cried anyway you'll [TS]

01:01:33   never know the many ways i've tried [TS]

01:01:35   that's good that's good because he [TS]

01:01:39   writes great bridge a great bridge [TS]

01:01:41   wasn't he slays the bridge meister top [TS]

01:01:43   bridge meister alright if he could just [TS]

01:01:45   if he was just like a script fixer for [TS]

01:01:49   other bands just just like you bring [TS]

01:01:53   your song Paul he writes the bridge you [TS]

01:01:56   get out I mean he would pop music would [TS]

01:01:58   be better but but [TS]

01:02:00   so I don't subscribe I don't think Phil [TS]

01:02:03   Spector should have gotten involved i [TS]

01:02:04   think that that was some fashion that [TS]

01:02:06   was some trendy pandering that was like [TS]

01:02:09   having eric clapton play on my guitar [TS]

01:02:12   gently weeps [TS]

01:02:13   didn't belong there they shouldn't have [TS]

01:02:15   done it but they were bored and they [TS]

01:02:18   were you know and they they were bored [TS]

01:02:21   and they were insecure right now but [TS]

01:02:23   then they also say that i don't remember [TS]

01:02:24   exactly when this happened when they [TS]

01:02:26   added billy preston didn't that kind of [TS]

01:02:28   liven things up he was such a positive [TS]

01:02:30   presence of a great player such great [TS]

01:02:32   team player but all such a positive [TS]

01:02:33   presence on the scene that was a welcome [TS]

01:02:35   distraction for a time [TS]

01:02:37   yeah super fun guy and he's out there [TS]

01:02:38   he's adding just brilliant shit all the [TS]

01:02:40   time like and the thing about Billy [TS]

01:02:42   Preston's they don't push him forward [TS]

01:02:43   right he's not like Billy president's [TS]

01:02:45   not putting a he's not Clapton on while [TS]

01:02:53   your guitar gently weeps he's just he's [TS]

01:02:54   just filling up the space and you could [TS]

01:02:56   what he's playing the way it's mixed you [TS]

01:03:00   could listen to it and not think what's [TS]

01:03:02   this foreigner doing here right it could [TS]

01:03:04   have been it could have been just a [TS]

01:03:06   London studio guy could have been [TS]

01:03:08   included in hordes Martin could have [TS]

01:03:11   been george martin right but it's not [TS]

01:03:12   it's a fight fun friend like that [TS]

01:03:15   doesn't bother me but i think the [TS]

01:03:17   combination of Dylan Dylan and 64 really [TS]

01:03:21   i think really hurts [TS]

01:03:22   yeah 66 really destabilize the beatles [TS]

01:03:25   because he was so cool and he and and [TS]

01:03:29   John wanted to be the kind of cool that [TS]

01:03:31   Dylan was not the kind of cool that he [TS]

01:03:33   was so that that inserted this you know [TS]

01:03:37   this insecurity and then swing in london [TS]

01:03:41   right swing in London of the late [TS]

01:03:43   sixties where everybody was an artist [TS]

01:03:46   and everybody was having fun and sexy [TS]

01:03:48   times and the and Paul in particular but [TS]

01:03:52   the beatles in general were out in the [TS]

01:03:54   clubs they were they were trying to be [TS]

01:03:57   part of the swing and seam and they [TS]

01:04:00   really felt like they had to I think [TS]

01:04:03   that's where the phil spector stuff [TS]

01:04:04   comes from [TS]

01:04:05   that's where the clapton stuff comes [TS]

01:04:07   from there trying to like make it within [TS]

01:04:10   this cool scene that probably on the [TS]

01:04:13   street level when when Paul walked into [TS]

01:04:16   a club there was a lot of like Oh Paul's [TS]

01:04:18   here but there was probably also also [TS]

01:04:20   from the cool kids a lot like oh [TS]

01:04:24   Paul's here and Paul could feel that and [TS]

01:04:29   he didn't like it [TS]

01:04:29   right yeah and and then all of a sudden [TS]

01:04:32   you've gotten the long and winding road [TS]

01:04:34   through whereas when Kirko but when Tony [TS]

01:04:40   lash mixed nevermind and two years later [TS]

01:04:48   Kurt was totally disavowing it in the [TS]

01:04:52   press I think at the time when they got [TS]

01:04:57   those mixes back [TS]

01:04:58   Kurt was like this is incredible this is [TS]

01:05:01   this is so much better [TS]

01:05:03   what gets lost in that is that he loves [TS]

01:05:05   I mean it's so funny compete for [TS]

01:05:07   watching the game check the raincoats [TS]

01:05:08   alive and then you go use the raincoats [TS]

01:05:10   and like oh my god this is at we banned [TS]

01:05:12   mhm the thing is he had a huge pop [TS]

01:05:14   sensibility he loved it he liked the [TS]

01:05:16   meat puppets papi songs like he he love [TS]

01:05:18   pop music like Carly am and how you [TS]

01:05:21   could tease out what was happening not [TS]

01:05:23   just obscuring it in layers that big [TS]

01:05:25   muff but like being able to pull out [TS]

01:05:26   like what this song wants to be [TS]

01:05:28   yeah all the harmonies I mean he loved [TS]

01:05:30   what Tony last to do not ever make that [TS]

01:05:32   mistake but then two years later because [TS]

01:05:35   every time Kurt Cobain walked into a [TS]

01:05:37   room where he wanted to be cool right a [TS]

01:05:39   Mudhoney house and there was that same [TS]

01:05:43   thing like oh you know Curtis here and [TS]

01:05:45   then also like huh [TS]

01:05:47   Kurt's here God all of a sudden he's [TS]

01:05:52   like oh I didn't like the sound of [TS]

01:05:53   nevermind i wanted it to be [TS]

01:05:55   roar and grittier and it's like no you [TS]

01:05:59   didnt first of all and second of all [TS]

01:06:01   those songs you could have made them [TS]

01:06:02   sound as bad as as you wanted but they [TS]

01:06:05   were fucking pop songs like there's [TS]

01:06:08   nothing you know touch me I'm sick [TS]

01:06:10   there's no way you can record that where [TS]

01:06:13   it doesn't sound like it sounds you you [TS]

01:06:15   could mix that anyway you wanted still [TS]

01:06:17   can touch me I'm sick but like you know [TS]

01:06:21   come as you are you can make that could [TS]

01:06:24   have made that dirty here even even in [TS]

01:06:27   bloom in terms of like theme and [TS]

01:06:31   execution like it's it's kind of like a [TS]

01:06:34   course is just look at three chord pop [TS]

01:06:37   song [TS]

01:06:37   yeah there's some sugar on everything he [TS]

01:06:39   did and it just it disgusted me at the [TS]

01:06:42   time right because I was right in the [TS]

01:06:44   thick of all that who was like what you [TS]

01:06:46   doing asshole don't disavow that shit [TS]

01:06:49   don't try and pander to those fucking [TS]

01:06:51   scumbags that a limpiar bullshit like [TS]

01:06:55   that's the worst thing that's the worst [TS]

01:06:57   part of this whole culture I'm some [TS]

01:06:59   standing knee-deep in this culture and I [TS]

01:07:01   know that's the worst part of it that [TS]

01:07:03   whole Oh Kurtz here like fuck you and [TS]

01:07:08   but that was the that was the voice in [TS]

01:07:10   his head that was his Dylan in 66 you [TS]

01:07:13   know Dylan made those guys wait think [TS]

01:07:16   they came to the royal albert hall and [TS]

01:07:18   you know and somebody came back in there [TS]

01:07:20   like the Beatles are here and he's like [TS]

01:07:22   Oh are they [TS]

01:07:23   that's like park yeah they are [TS]

01:07:27   the beatles are here like put your [TS]

01:07:30   teacup down and fucking talk to him at [TS]

01:07:34   least give me a break [TS]

01:07:37   it was like oh hmm you know maybe all [TS]

01:07:40   they can really they can come back here [TS]

01:07:42   in a minute after I you know after i [TS]

01:07:45   type up some more nonsense and I'm babe [TS]

01:07:49   huge Dylan fans [TS]

01:07:51   I'm not shitting on Dylan I'm just [TS]

01:07:53   shitting on his attitude [TS]

01:07:54   yeah yeah fuckin attitude [TS]

01:07:57   yeah that was his brand I was so mad [TS]

01:07:59   occurred cocaine [TS]

01:08:00   Marilyn I think I've expressed it [TS]

01:08:02   because well but I mean you know me the [TS]

01:08:06   money morning cobain here but part of [TS]

01:08:08   that also is like he got way more famous [TS]

01:08:09   than he wanted to be I don't even know [TS]

01:08:12   about that really well I think he wanted [TS]

01:08:15   to be that famous i think it was part of [TS]

01:08:17   trying to reject me in rejecting same [TS]

01:08:19   for the appearance of wanting fame which [TS]

01:08:21   is just an anthem on the Pacific [TS]

01:08:22   Northwest you like don't you think even [TS]

01:08:24   part of needing to appeal he's rejecting [TS]

01:08:26   Fame it's useful to also then reject the [TS]

01:08:28   thing that you all liked him for being [TS]

01:08:30   famous for [TS]

01:08:30   yeah yeah butBut and that's exactly [TS]

01:08:32   right he he what he really wanted to [TS]

01:08:35   appear to reject fame but he was so [TS]

01:08:38   caught up in the culture that he [TS]

01:08:40   couldn't separate wanting to appear to [TS]

01:08:42   reject fame from actually internalizing [TS]

01:08:45   it and and and rejecting things like I i [TS]

01:08:47   think in 1990-91 [TS]

01:08:50   early 91 i read several interviews with [TS]

01:08:53   him where he was like we're gonna be the [TS]

01:08:55   biggest band in the world and he was [TS]

01:08:57   being ironic and he was being sarcastic [TS]

01:08:58   because he never thought it would happen [TS]

01:09:00   and he was you know he was yanking [TS]

01:09:03   everybody's chain like we're gonna be [TS]

01:09:04   the biggest in the world [TS]

01:09:05   fuck you and then he was the biggest [TS]

01:09:08   band in the world and all of a sudden [TS]

01:09:11   it's like well did you did you want to [TS]

01:09:14   be and what pissed me off was that he [TS]

01:09:17   was and he could have used that power [TS]

01:09:19   and he could have used that money and he [TS]

01:09:21   could have used all that attention to [TS]

01:09:24   accomplish the things that he wanted to [TS]

01:09:26   do you know and and he could've made the [TS]

01:09:29   world a better place I was watching him [TS]

01:09:31   closely because I wanted we all we all I [TS]

01:09:37   mean it [TS]

01:09:37   george herbert walker bush was the [TS]

01:09:39   president like we were ready to flip it [TS]

01:09:44   and it and it was the moment where you [TS]

01:09:46   know where our generation came online [TS]

01:09:47   and was like yes we're here and look [TS]

01:09:50   what we can do and then it was like oh [TS]

01:09:52   yeah what we can do is you know sit in a [TS]

01:09:54   thrift store chair and barf on ourselves [TS]

01:09:56   and then die and well that's a little [TS]

01:10:00   bit anti-climactic dinner instead of [TS]

01:10:04   interest or chair in a loser t-shirt [TS]

01:10:07   barf on ourselves from heroin sickness [TS]

01:10:10   and then died I was like oh well alright [TS]

01:10:13   i guess that wasn't my role model after [TS]

01:10:15   all and for me that meant you know [TS]

01:10:19   spending five more years sitting in a [TS]

01:10:21   godfather's pizza eating garbanzo beans [TS]

01:10:25   because nobody would miss them and [TS]

01:10:27   wondering what the fuck did you look [TS]

01:10:32   what he did he write it's just like I'm [TS]

01:10:34   sitting there stealing garbanzos from a [TS]

01:10:35   salad bar and thinking nobody else was [TS]

01:10:40   counting that nobody's counting [TS]

01:10:41   garbanzos nobody uses those and uh and [TS]

01:10:44   now Clinton's president and nobody in [TS]

01:10:48   the culture really has anything to say [TS]

01:10:50   about it and and kmart is selling grunge [TS]

01:10:54   hats and it just all went to shit and [TS]

01:10:58   that and now we have stained you know it [TS]

01:11:01   just was like boom boom boom boom boom [TS]

01:11:03   and I [TS]

01:11:04   I just I put it all back on kurt's lap [TS]

01:11:06   and you know whatever [TS]

01:11:09   Courtney wasn't even picking nits out of [TS]

01:11:10   his beard you know what they make [TS]

01:11:14   garbanzo beans into the sebaceous cyst [TS]

01:11:18   plus right this bus and a little bit of [TS]

01:11:21   garlic [TS]

01:11:22   it's good stuff i do that do you do this [TS]

01:11:24   where you go by you're at the grocery [TS]

01:11:26   store and you're like you know what I [TS]

01:11:28   want to be the kind of person that hates [TS]

01:11:30   hummus i got on haha aspirational [TS]

01:11:34   shopping it's aspirational Highness [TS]

01:11:36   right i want to be somebody that's got [TS]

01:11:38   hummus in the fridge i want to be [TS]

01:11:39   somebody when he's looking for a snack [TS]

01:11:41   get some hummus any butt wipes it on [TS]

01:11:44   something [TS]

01:11:45   yeah Thomas wipe on son yeah I bahamas [TS]

01:11:49   and it's in the fridge for six months [TS]

01:11:51   well you do because I mean it's a good [TS]

01:11:54   aspiration it's a good aspiration but I [TS]

01:11:55   like for example like for me a better [TS]

01:11:57   one with those would be like mixed nuts [TS]

01:11:59   and here's why because you pop the top [TS]

01:12:01   off the mixed nuts and eat them just as [TS]

01:12:04   a thing [TS]

01:12:05   Thomas doesn't tell you this on this on [TS]

01:12:07   the shelf but Thomas once other things [TS]

01:12:09   yeah come on government and what is how [TS]

01:12:11   much mostly want bread [TS]

01:12:14   oh it was a pita bread yeah which should [TS]

01:12:16   need a lot of time trying to avoid that [TS]

01:12:17   but you could also have carrots carrots [TS]

01:12:20   see that's what i want i want to pick [TS]

01:12:22   aaron thomas because if I'm at a party [TS]

01:12:24   let's say I'm at a party and there and [TS]

01:12:26   there's no antipasto Trey who is just [TS]

01:12:30   too but it's like they got the vegetable [TS]

01:12:32   platter of the crudite I'll sit and dip [TS]

01:12:35   mini carried into humus all day [TS]

01:12:38   yeah happy as can be but if I'm always [TS]

01:12:41   by open my fridge and it's like you know [TS]

01:12:44   there's so many carats alright there's [TS]

01:12:46   no mames alright and it just sits there [TS]

01:12:47   so I'm still fucking here did [TS]

01:12:49   yes I'm not going anywhere it's not a [TS]

01:12:51   bottle you bought me asshole [TS]

01:12:53   that's right you bought me and then you [TS]

01:12:54   know after like three weeks like is that [TS]

01:12:56   even still good many carriers are [TS]

01:12:59   starting a little dried out [TS]

01:13:00   we did an example of that see my wife [TS]

01:13:02   wants us to live she tries that you know [TS]

01:13:05   have nice things in the house for us to [TS]

01:13:07   eat that are you know the comfort good [TS]

01:13:09   point but they can be kind of [TS]

01:13:10   aspirational one of the primary [TS]

01:13:12   disconnects that my wife sometimes buys [TS]

01:13:14   things even though I tend to do the more [TS]

01:13:16   than fifty percent mother [TS]

01:13:17   amount of the cooking yeah so like but [TS]

01:13:19   like here's that thing that happens is [TS]

01:13:21   my daughter goes out to the garden at [TS]

01:13:22   school tears off a postage stamp size [TS]

01:13:25   thing of kale and eats it and says i [TS]

01:13:27   love kale [TS]

01:13:28   really yeah yeah and she did in that [TS]

01:13:30   moment because it's fun to tear off a [TS]

01:13:32   postage stamp Michaela needed and that's [TS]

01:13:34   probably much kills most people want so [TS]

01:13:36   but then we get kale and independently [TS]

01:13:38   my wife and I both get kale and now we [TS]

01:13:40   have two giant refrigerator filling bags [TS]

01:13:43   of kale sitting there saying that's [TS]

01:13:45   right asshole you bought me and you and [TS]

01:13:47   my brother here to the kale brothers [TS]

01:13:49   right then they're just they're just [TS]

01:13:50   staring at us and like there's not that [TS]

01:13:52   many nights were like I you know when i [TS]

01:13:54   start to cook is when I'm hungry I don't [TS]

01:13:55   I i sometimes when i'm doing sous-vide [TS]

01:13:57   stuff I gotta think ahead but when it [TS]

01:13:59   comes down to like 515 and time to make [TS]

01:14:01   dinner you know pretty much the last [TS]

01:14:03   thing on my mind is kale kale is is [TS]

01:14:06   maybe a third it comes in third you [TS]

01:14:08   gotta you gotta get a you got a protein [TS]

01:14:11   far away the number one focus heavily on [TS]

01:14:14   breaking their necks want to make just a [TS]

01:14:15   protein and then i'll cut up some did [TS]

01:14:18   you know some demonstration cucumbers [TS]

01:14:19   just going to say I get my canned [TS]

01:14:21   vegetables right but she got you got the [TS]

01:14:23   primary protein then you get the second [TS]

01:14:25   thing which is often a start you think [TS]

01:14:26   it could be a rice it could be a noodle [TS]

01:14:28   yep rice or noodle and those are those [TS]

01:14:31   that that's the main part of the meal [TS]

01:14:32   for my daughter because she's a child [TS]

01:14:34   she'll chili all the noodles chili ramen [TS]

01:14:36   chili egg noodles chili pasta whatever [TS]

01:14:38   she's all about the noodles and then you [TS]

01:14:41   know I got to be honest with you like it [TS]

01:14:42   before [TS]

01:14:43   if it's getting to be 545 and I might [TS]

01:14:46   leave off the scale [TS]

01:14:47   right right well yes I I you have a [TS]

01:14:54   juicer though [TS]

01:14:55   yeah we have a juicer but it's a whole [TS]

01:14:57   thing you got to take it out you have to [TS]

01:15:00   interact with it you know yeah i'm a [TS]

01:15:03   range topman I do a lot of things with [TS]

01:15:04   the range and the microwave but you've [TS]

01:15:07   got gas you got gas yeah yeah and I [TS]

01:15:09   don't know it [TS]

01:15:10   my house is plumbed for gas but i have a [TS]

01:15:12   have one of those [TS]

01:15:13   cooktops that's like a black glass top [TS]

01:15:16   that just makes me I don't know what it [TS]

01:15:19   makes me want to do makes me want to [TS]

01:15:20   break it with a hammer [TS]

01:15:21   yeah that's one of those decisions were [TS]

01:15:23   even if it does produce the same BTUs it [TS]

01:15:25   feels like a design based decision [TS]

01:15:26   rather a functional decision pursue [TS]

01:15:28   small we wanted this to look pretty we [TS]

01:15:30   didn't have the school [TS]

01:15:31   oils like our parents yeah I wanted I [TS]

01:15:33   don't want to look pretty i wanted to [TS]

01:15:34   look functional and cool yeah uh [TS]

01:15:36   incidentally I need to go back and i'm [TS]

01:15:38   sure i've already gotten 40 tweets about [TS]

01:15:40   this but it was not Tony lash who mixed [TS]

01:15:45   never much big know butch big produced [TS]

01:15:48   it hood andy wallace oh who mixed it [TS]

01:15:51   andy wallace famous for having mixed the [TS]

01:15:56   Slayer records are produced the Slayer [TS]

01:15:58   record is that right yeah so they picked [TS]

01:16:00   andy wallace because layer was heavy and [TS]

01:16:03   cool and they wanted to sound like [TS]

01:16:05   Slayer which again feels like an ironic [TS]

01:16:08   somewhat ironic choice like yeah let's [TS]

01:16:11   get this layer guy and then he made it [TS]

01:16:14   like cool like weird sounding a little [TS]

01:16:18   bit you know new wave and according to [TS]

01:16:23   wikipedia which is never wrong [TS]

01:16:24   both Wallace and big noted years later [TS]

01:16:28   that upon hearing Wallace's work the [TS]

01:16:29   band loved the mixes after the album's [TS]

01:16:33   release however members of Nirvana [TS]

01:16:35   expressed dissatisfaction with the [TS]

01:16:37   Polish sound the mixer had given [TS]

01:16:39   nevermind nerve cobain said income as [TS]

01:16:44   you are the definitive rock book by my [TS]

01:16:48   pal said looking back on the production [TS]

01:16:52   of never moment who that is who comes to [TS]

01:16:56   our author you make me look this up [TS]

01:16:59   aren't you [TS]

01:16:59   her about it [TS]

01:17:02   only the Gonski husky Emily makowsky I'm [TS]

01:17:08   trying to figure out who will come as [TS]

01:17:09   you are [TS]

01:17:10   wait a minute now I'm now I'm googling I [TS]

01:17:18   don't even know what I'm another look [TS]

01:17:21   about so that way about sex [TS]

01:17:24   uh-oh up e a new bomb little i'm so [TS]

01:17:30   sorry i derail this to bow away as they [TS]

01:17:33   mentioned in the book [TS]

01:17:35   oh uh right uh let me go back here butch [TS]

01:17:40   vig oh no Michael as a rad [TS]

01:17:42   oh that guy from others that could be [TS]

01:17:44   your life [TS]

01:17:44   yeah right that's great and he's like a [TS]

01:17:47   super nice guy too and he runs now the [TS]

01:17:52   talkhouse website where i have written [TS]

01:17:55   several article that's him huh guys [TS]

01:17:59   really enjoyed that book [TS]

01:18:00   yeah and he's a smart very smart guy and [TS]

01:18:02   a very very committed music dancing [TS]

01:18:04   anyway music [TS]

01:18:05   mhm within within his book come as you [TS]

01:18:08   are [TS]

01:18:09   Kurt says the following looking back I'm [TS]

01:18:12   gonna do my Kurt boys okay looking back [TS]

01:18:14   on the production of nevermind i'm [TS]

01:18:16   embarrassed by now it's closer to a [TS]

01:18:19   Motley Crue records that it is a punk [TS]

01:18:21   rock record what an asshole a asshole [TS]

01:18:30   thing to say [TS]

01:18:31   be it was never a punk rock record you [TS]

01:18:33   ding-a-ling and see what an asshole [TS]

01:18:36   thing to say like like okay well want to [TS]

01:18:39   go make a record with steve albini while [TS]

01:18:41   he actively scorns you through the [TS]

01:18:45   entire production my sense of being in [TS]

01:18:47   that studio was without being like yeah [TS]

01:18:51   that's that was pretty good i mean [TS]

01:18:53   finally I think he seems like a pretty [TS]

01:18:55   straight-up guy to work with [TS]

01:18:56   well yeah but albini went on record [TS]

01:18:58   saying he thought that Nirvana was like [TS]

01:19:02   a middling the punk band like up kind of [TS]

01:19:06   a middling mid talent band and it wasn't [TS]

01:19:09   that impressed with them [TS]

01:19:10   Wow and it's like well if you're going [TS]

01:19:12   to say that after having made a record [TS]

01:19:13   with them [TS]

01:19:14   I can only imagine what you were like [TS]

01:19:16   day to day he's walked a lot of stuff [TS]

01:19:20   back in recent years he seems like he's [TS]

01:19:22   mellowed a lot and I'm not trying to [TS]

01:19:25   apologize for him but there's a lot he [TS]

01:19:26   said some very controversial things in [TS]

01:19:28   the capacities kind of walk back because [TS]

01:19:30   I think I realized he was being kind of [TS]

01:19:31   a dick [TS]

01:19:32   well yeah I mean here pinky I think we [TS]

01:19:33   don't think of albini as being young [TS]

01:19:35   because he seems like prematurely old [TS]

01:19:40   and wise to us right but yeah he was not [TS]

01:19:43   he was not that old [TS]

01:19:45   here the the the tracks is recorded kind [TS]

01:19:49   of as a lark but me and cheap trick [TS]

01:19:51   we're doing a record and then they ended [TS]

01:19:53   up recording a bunch of tracks from in [TS]

01:19:56   color [TS]

01:19:57   re-recording them with [TS]

01:19:58   him really yeah it's really good i mean [TS]

01:20:01   you know everybody listens to that [TS]

01:20:02   question color is famously like this [TS]

01:20:04   very thin sounding album [TS]

01:20:06   yeah um with some great songs on it like [TS]

01:20:08   everybody be many people would be [TS]

01:20:10   surprised you the original version i [TS]

01:20:11   want you to want me because it's pretty [TS]

01:20:13   thin but that was kind of style you know [TS]

01:20:15   the thing is now course they to run that [TS]

01:20:18   for 20 years and then they record this [TS]

01:20:20   thing without being in 1998 and it's got [TS]

01:20:22   barely any overdose it's very basic [TS]

01:20:24   sounds fucking great [TS]

01:20:25   yeah well and he's like no overdubs [TS]

01:20:27   thing totally a like I get it right that [TS]

01:20:31   was the the Seattle band that i had in [TS]

01:20:34   the mid-nineties the drummer a a friend [TS]

01:20:39   of mine named Lewis and he's a wonderful [TS]

01:20:42   guy but he was he he said to me very [TS]

01:20:46   early on in the in the time that we were [TS]

01:20:48   playing together he was like listen [TS]

01:20:49   reverb shit don't use reverb on anything [TS]

01:20:52   it's garbage [TS]

01:20:54   I was like really I mean it's a knob on [TS]

01:20:57   my amp says reverb why would night [TS]

01:21:00   why would I turn it kinda like had [TS]

01:21:02   turned the mids like I don't know what [TS]

01:21:03   the midnight does either but why [TS]

01:21:05   wouldn't i use the reverb not but he's [TS]

01:21:06   like reverb garbage and he was coming [TS]

01:21:09   out of that school of like gated snares [TS]

01:21:12   are garbage [TS]

01:21:13   it's like well gated snares are just an [TS]

01:21:15   effect there an effect like chorus there [TS]

01:21:17   an effect like anything and reverb is [TS]

01:21:20   just an aspect you can put it on or not [TS]

01:21:22   put it on you can use it as a tool it's [TS]

01:21:25   just a musical sounding thing right but [TS]

01:21:28   this all these all these prohibitions on [TS]

01:21:30   what you couldn't couldn't do in order [TS]

01:21:32   to make music that like sounded whatever [TS]

01:21:34   it's like park so and I was in I was [TS]

01:21:37   influenced by this so I'm walking around [TS]

01:21:39   45 years going on reverb is bad i didn't [TS]

01:21:43   believe it but I also didn't know how to [TS]

01:21:46   counter it and and what it turned out [TS]

01:21:50   was I liked reverb and I didn't have [TS]

01:21:52   enough i didn't have enough knowledge [TS]

01:21:54   self-knowledge because i wasn't a record [TS]

01:21:56   listener i was I didn't stay [TS]

01:21:58   contemporary I was just sort of when I [TS]

01:22:02   was you know I was I was susceptible [TS]

01:22:05   right but [TS]

01:22:09   I mean albini was 30 years old when he [TS]

01:22:14   made in you and yeah i mean i remember [TS]

01:22:20   30 years old I probably still would have [TS]

01:22:22   said the reverb looks or whatever you [TS]

01:22:26   know like I would have I wouldn't have [TS]

01:22:28   known better and he probably knew a lot [TS]

01:22:31   better than me but he would do stuff [TS]

01:22:33   with the room [TS]

01:22:34   it wasn't yeah into Mike's around he did [TS]

01:22:36   it like old-fashioned style but but you [TS]

01:22:39   know there's a difference between doing [TS]

01:22:40   the thing strictly because it sounds [TS]

01:22:43   good and doing it slightly motivated by [TS]

01:22:46   because it's slightly motivated by the [TS]

01:22:50   feeling that if you say you did it this [TS]

01:22:52   way that sounds good [TS]

01:22:54   you know what I mean like if you move [TS]

01:22:56   the mics and it sounds better to you yes [TS]

01:22:58   if you put the mic in a coffee can it [TS]

01:23:00   sounds better to you yes but if you put [TS]

01:23:02   the mic in the copy can sort of kind of [TS]

01:23:05   thinking about how that's going to read [TS]

01:23:06   in an interview after you do it [TS]

01:23:08   oh yeah we put the bikes in a coffee can [TS]

01:23:10   yeah that changes things and I was never [TS]

01:23:13   a hundred percent able to it it seemed [TS]

01:23:17   to me a lot of that stuff was in order [TS]

01:23:21   to say that you didn't do any / times [TS]

01:23:24   more than because overdubs didn't sound [TS]

01:23:26   good [TS]

01:23:27   which is not it's a little bit soft work [TS]

01:23:29   it's a little bit ignorant is too strong [TS]

01:23:32   a word when you make blanket statements [TS]

01:23:34   about anything like that anymore it's [TS]

01:23:37   the same kind of people who say like oh [TS]

01:23:38   you know cgi is ruining movies which is [TS]

01:23:41   like a common thing people say which is [TS]

01:23:42   such a silly statement such an ignorant [TS]

01:23:44   statement because it indicates a little [TS]

01:23:46   understanding of like how movies are [TS]

01:23:48   actually made and you know it's like a [TS]

01:23:50   ghost and Syracuse of the day like it's [TS]

01:23:52   almost like people saying salt is [TS]

01:23:53   ruining food assault ruins food if you [TS]

01:23:55   use it too much and it's all you can [TS]

01:23:57   taste like salt actually does a lot of [TS]

01:23:59   good stuff and I'm a chorus chorus that [TS]

01:24:01   you barely even notice reverb that has a [TS]

01:24:03   certain effect in this one part that can [TS]

01:24:05   be extremely effective you won't do and [TS]

01:24:08   just reject it out of hand [TS]

01:24:09   well and also i mean think about think [TS]

01:24:12   about band of horses and what they what [TS]

01:24:15   they do with reverb right it's a it's [TS]

01:24:17   absolutely crucial to their sound [TS]

01:24:20   and it enables you to sing like ah and [TS]

01:24:26   it sounds big right it's like we think [TS]

01:24:29   about reverb as something that India [TS]

01:24:32   uses and at first of all any is great [TS]

01:24:35   sounding if you think about what i think [TS]

01:24:37   and you did the music to the gladiator [TS]

01:24:41   any is fascinating i just read a very [TS]

01:24:44   long article about area [TS]

01:24:46   what did you do any did a music did a [TS]

01:24:49   song that got used by CNN after 911 and [TS]

01:24:54   she got you know I residuals whatever [TS]

01:24:58   you call it like you have to eat for you [TS]

01:24:59   for every time they would go to their [TS]

01:25:01   let's talk about 911 to play this little [TS]

01:25:03   bit from an ending song and she she's [TS]

01:25:05   making money like a doorknob in a wet [TS]

01:25:07   sweater and now she lives in a castle in [TS]

01:25:08   there with cats and doesn't talk to [TS]

01:25:09   people doesn't talk to be right [TS]

01:25:11   fascinating what a way to go with it be [TS]

01:25:12   great when it's great to be able to be [TS]

01:25:14   great to just go live in a castle with [TS]

01:25:15   some cats wealthy we've talked about [TS]

01:25:16   this before right I always wanted to [TS]

01:25:18   live in a castle with cats until I moved [TS]

01:25:20   out to rainier beach and I realized oh [TS]

01:25:22   shit i just kind of want to sit in a [TS]

01:25:24   cafe and be around people i don't want [TS]

01:25:26   to talk to them but I don't want to not [TS]

01:25:28   be around them and if i lived in a [TS]

01:25:30   castle in Northern Ireland and never saw [TS]

01:25:32   anybody i think i would go bananas which [TS]

01:25:35   i think is what yeah well I mean like [TS]

01:25:36   you know you like my friend in college [TS]

01:25:38   used to say you are your options so I'm [TS]

01:25:40   just saying if one of your options is a [TS]

01:25:42   cast for cats [TS]

01:25:43   that's a nice nice nice thing to have in [TS]

01:25:45   your utility belt see that's very dope [TS]

01:25:47   doesn't want that to be it wouldn't want [TS]

01:25:49   that to be my only residence if I get [TS]

01:25:50   great reverb in there too well so here's [TS]

01:25:52   albini in 2011 albini says I can't [TS]

01:25:58   really Express how much my admiration [TS]

01:25:59   for nirvana grew during the course of [TS]

01:26:02   making that record in utero in utero [TS]

01:26:05   this 2011 I was familiar with them but I [TS]

01:26:08   wouldn't have considered myself an prior [TS]

01:26:10   to working on that record but during [TS]

01:26:12   that making of that record i genuinely [TS]

01:26:14   came to respect them as artists now this [TS]

01:26:16   is the type of quote that people will [TS]

01:26:17   send me to refute my contention like low [TS]

01:26:22   know he came to respect them that's what [TS]

01:26:23   he says well that's what he says in 2011 [TS]

01:26:26   but i remember in nineteen ninety three [TS]

01:26:28   or four [TS]

01:26:29   reading him say I was familiar with them [TS]

01:26:32   but I wouldn't have considered myself an [TS]

01:26:34   and then following up that statement [TS]

01:26:37   with and i found that they were a pretty [TS]

01:26:39   mediocre punk band in the course of [TS]

01:26:42   recording them and you know and I'm i [TS]

01:26:44   understand revisionism I know what [TS]

01:26:47   happens all the time I got into fucking [TS]

01:26:50   big flame war on the internet with 45 [TS]

01:26:52   people that I ended up blocking when i [TS]

01:26:54   was talking about Tom Petty the look on [TS]

01:26:57   Tom Petty space when Prince stole the [TS]

01:26:59   show at the at the rock and roll hall of [TS]

01:27:02   fame induction of george harrison there [TS]

01:27:06   are a lot of people that were forwarding [TS]

01:27:08   me an article written just recently [TS]

01:27:10   where they interviewed tom petty and he [TS]

01:27:12   was like oh I was so psyched I was so [TS]

01:27:15   amazed at prince and I was so psyched [TS]

01:27:17   and and he looked over at me and I was [TS]

01:27:19   like go man go [TS]

01:27:21   it's awesome I think there's a couple [TS]

01:27:23   ways you can read that face that's one [TS]

01:27:25   of them [TS]

01:27:25   well I don't think you can read it that [TS]

01:27:27   way but but ok you thought it was more [TS]

01:27:30   like okay Tiger dilated huh well not [TS]

01:27:33   even that I thought it was like night [TS]

01:27:35   you know like way to step on my way to [TS]

01:27:37   step on this awesome celebration of my [TS]

01:27:41   friend George Harrison with your ego [TS]

01:27:45   solo [TS]

01:27:47   yeah that's what I like his compulsive [TS]

01:27:48   one-upsmanship well and also like Prince [TS]

01:27:51   I mean I had a lot of people have [TS]

01:27:53   responded to me and in this but oh I [TS]

01:27:58   think a very interesting comment and you [TS]

01:28:01   know and were in that stage of lionizing [TS]

01:28:04   Prince this is the wrong month to open a [TS]

01:28:08   critical critical appraisal of threats [TS]

01:28:11   right but you know one of the things [TS]

01:28:13   about prince was he wasn't above showing [TS]

01:28:17   off in a way that wasn't necessarily [TS]

01:28:20   like musically brilliant not you know he [TS]

01:28:24   was capable of sitting down and playing [TS]

01:28:25   fuckin brilliant stuff but when he was [TS]

01:28:29   on stage he he understood that his job [TS]

01:28:32   was to show off and two wasn't really [TS]

01:28:35   alone especially as he got more and more [TS]

01:28:37   kind of isolated or choosing to not be [TS]

01:28:40   out much like it was always an [TS]

01:28:42   opportunity for him [TS]

01:28:43   drew seemingly as fans the way we read [TS]

01:28:44   that is it was always an opportunity to [TS]

01:28:46   remind us that the kids still still got [TS]

01:28:48   it [TS]

01:28:48   yeah right and so his solo is thrilling [TS]

01:28:52   it's increase incredible but it's not i [TS]

01:28:55   mean he he pulls out every little windy [TS]

01:28:58   with you know he's like doing stuff [TS]

01:29:00   that's kind of corny almost and the guys [TS]

01:29:05   on stage are going to recognize that to [TS]

01:29:08   write those guys are no dummies [TS]

01:29:09   everybody on that stage knows that when [TS]

01:29:12   Prince goes well we will its he showing [TS]

01:29:17   off right so anyway be sure you want to [TS]

01:29:19   pursue this any way I I saw that look on [TS]

01:29:22   Tom Petty space and it could I it could [TS]

01:29:24   have been clearer to me but you know it [TS]

01:29:28   his a his response [TS]

01:29:32   several years later ten years later when [TS]

01:29:34   somebody interviews in is oh yeah we [TS]

01:29:37   totally loved it and it was amazing and [TS]

01:29:39   if you watch that he claims in that [TS]

01:29:42   interview that he had three or four [TS]

01:29:44   interactions with Prince during that [TS]

01:29:46   solo where prince came over and they [TS]

01:29:48   were looking at each other and he was [TS]

01:29:49   like keep it going man keep it going and [TS]

01:29:52   you don't see any of that in the footage [TS]

01:29:55   and you know set that another person [TS]

01:29:57   commented to me that how convenient that [TS]

01:29:59   all these all these six that you know [TS]

01:30:02   these moments where petty was you know [TS]

01:30:04   going do it do it man [TS]

01:30:06   I didn't make it into the final cut and [TS]

01:30:10   of course there were cameras on [TS]

01:30:11   everybody at that show and you know if [TS]

01:30:13   you were directing that film that if Tom [TS]

01:30:17   Petty was saying to Prince keep it going [TS]

01:30:20   man that that would have been assumed in [TS]

01:30:24   on that that's not a thing that you [TS]

01:30:25   would have said well we could look at [TS]

01:30:27   that or we could spend that 2 seconds [TS]

01:30:30   zooming in on the keyboard player so [TS]

01:30:35   that kind of revisionism i understand it [TS]

01:30:39   100% nobody wants to say yeah I used to [TS]

01:30:44   shit talk Nirvana a lot and now my [TS]

01:30:47   opinion has changed me that the impulses [TS]

01:30:52   to say oh no I really came to respect [TS]

01:30:54   them over the course of that record well [TS]

01:30:56   no you really came to respect them over [TS]

01:30:57   the course of ten years of thinking [TS]

01:30:59   about that record I don't know it's you [TS]

01:31:02   don't get very far in in in my world [TS]

01:31:05   shit-talking nirvana [TS]

01:31:06   I'm sorry should talk to steve albini [TS]

01:31:07   and that's not what I'm doing [TS]

01:31:10   yeah i'm just making an observation one [TS]

01:31:14   of the things I've never understood and [TS]

01:31:16   this is such a can of worms at this [TS]

01:31:18   stage of the podcast yeah yeah but i [TS]

01:31:21   I've never understood in Mike I huh you [TS]

01:31:25   know when I saw the other day was good [TS]

01:31:29   this episode of rock on the line is [TS]

01:31:32   brought to you in part by us [TS]

01:31:33   hi John that's right we actually have a [TS]

01:31:36   product to sell and we're doing a [TS]

01:31:38   commercial read hi hello hello you can [TS]

01:31:42   go and buy our t-shirts you go to cotton [TS]

01:31:43   bureau dot-com and you can buy t-shirts [TS]

01:31:45   you can also look in the show notes for [TS]

01:31:47   this page at our online.com I just look [TS]

01:31:50   at episode 199 you will see that we have [TS]

01:31:52   to well one very new brand new design in [TS]

01:31:55   another updated and streamlined design [TS]

01:31:57   that's right so two different t-shirts [TS]

01:32:00   one is I mean the supertrain one from [TS]

01:32:02   before we just took the rock on the line [TS]

01:32:04   part off because if if it says hashtag [TS]

01:32:06   supertrain that's self-explanatory that [TS]

01:32:08   it's better in a lot of ways because [TS]

01:32:10   that's a code you're going to find each [TS]

01:32:11   other out now on the road with your [TS]

01:32:13   fellow travelers you can see past the [TS]

01:32:14   supertrain you're going to know ya [TS]

01:32:16   pounce on super train at so that's the [TS]

01:32:18   one shirt and that's for people that [TS]

01:32:20   like to wear black shirts and then there [TS]

01:32:22   is another great shirt which is a shirt [TS]

01:32:24   with the picture of my orange belt the [TS]

01:32:26   original bell to bell that you've been [TS]

01:32:28   hearing accept no substitute you can [TS]

01:32:30   have this Bell and it's got this is what [TS]

01:32:32   I call the stingrays it's got some doing [TS]

01:32:34   raised on the side there was some yeah [TS]

01:32:36   right but it's got the little ding [TS]

01:32:39   raised raised so that it's not just a [TS]

01:32:41   bell it's a ringing it's a fucking Bell [TS]

01:32:43   and that's and it doesn't say riding on [TS]

01:32:45   the line in smaller letters and this is [TS]

01:32:47   classy this is a classy sure this is [TS]

01:32:49   another very heavily coated shirt so [TS]

01:32:51   here's what you need to know you going [TS]

01:32:52   to show us for this episode of rock [TS]

01:32:53   online.com you just gotta be calm and [TS]

01:32:56   find it there just going to show us and [TS]

01:32:57   you have until I believe May [TS]

01:32:59   twenty-third yeah there's two weeks [TS]

01:33:01   where you can order these shirts that's [TS]

01:33:03   right and then they're not gonna be [TS]

01:33:04   available they'll ship in early June but [TS]

01:33:06   you need to go and do this now do it [TS]

01:33:08   quickly tell your friend [TS]

01:33:09   means to very handsome shirts and we're [TS]

01:33:12   proud of these we really love the way [TS]

01:33:13   these look don't sleep on this if you [TS]

01:33:15   live in Denmark if you live in [TS]

01:33:16   Christchurch yeah let's say you lived [TS]

01:33:19   about the Balkans John if you live in [TS]

01:33:21   the Balkans absofuckinlutely you want [TS]

01:33:23   one of these shirts if you live in the [TS]

01:33:25   the Maldives who order this shirt you'll [TS]

01:33:28   be one of a very few people in the [TS]

01:33:30   Maldives and that has a shirt and you'll [TS]

01:33:34   feel very proud of yourself [TS]

01:33:35   here's the thing that happens is people [TS]

01:33:36   say to us they see how can we support [TS]

01:33:38   your show how do we give you money and [TS]

01:33:39   you know we don't like we'd like to ask [TS]

01:33:41   your money we're not asking for for your [TS]

01:33:43   cash in hand [TS]

01:33:44   we're saying if you want to support the [TS]

01:33:45   show and you would like to have a [TS]

01:33:46   t-shirt this is your opportunity that's [TS]

01:33:48   right this is the way that we do this [TS]

01:33:49   and if you would like to be somebody who [TS]

01:33:51   show their support for the show is one [TS]

01:33:52   of the very rare times where i will say [TS]

01:33:54   to you this is a way that you could do [TS]

01:33:55   that and we if it's a shirt that you [TS]

01:33:57   like and would wear I would be grateful [TS]

01:33:59   if you would consider violence even if [TS]

01:34:00   you don't wear t-shirts you these are [TS]

01:34:02   suitable for framing [TS]

01:34:04   yes and if you've never been in a house [TS]

01:34:06   where someone has framed a t-shirt it's [TS]

01:34:08   fucking amazing [TS]

01:34:09   and if we ever see wearing it will sign [TS]

01:34:11   it whether you like it or not [TS]

01:34:13   oh right i'll jump on you and sign it ma [TS]

01:34:15   Hobbit if you wear it to an event that [TS]

01:34:18   we are having or you wear to like a [TS]

01:34:20   tweetup or you wear it around thinking [TS]

01:34:21   that we're gonna bump into each other [TS]

01:34:23   that offer is no longer applicable so [TS]

01:34:26   please go buy a shirt thank you to our [TS]

01:34:28   friends at cotton bureau or special [TS]

01:34:29   friend Jay for helping us out there and [TS]

01:34:31   thanks to us for supporting Roderick [TS]

01:34:33   online [TS]

01:34:33   yeah thnkx us know where I love this [TS]

01:34:41   song i love the song overkill by men at [TS]

01:34:44   work [TS]

01:34:44   I've always loved it even at the time it [TS]

01:34:47   was one of the songs I felt like I don't [TS]

01:34:49   exactly know what this is about but it [TS]

01:34:51   seems important and remember even [TS]

01:34:53   thinking this song is kind of a cut [TS]

01:34:54   above the typical like new wave hit and [TS]

01:34:57   I mean I'm always drawn to listen Colin [TS]

01:35:00   Hay performances like Colin ages playing [TS]

01:35:02   that solo still doing it still sounds [TS]

01:35:04   fucking great i think that the amazing [TS]

01:35:06   thing about them is how dark they were [TS]

01:35:11   at in in all of the tunes other than the [TS]

01:35:17   super hits and even kind of in the super [TS]

01:35:19   super hits still have it like a [TS]

01:35:21   even a dark sense of humor or something [TS]

01:35:24   a little bit like whom these guys are [TS]

01:35:26   quite right right there something you [TS]

01:35:29   know they're goofin and a way not [TS]

01:35:33   they're not goofin like they might be [TS]

01:35:34   giants that they have like kind of like [TS]

01:35:36   almost like this is gonna sound weird [TS]

01:35:37   but like a who circuit 1967 you have [TS]

01:35:42   like oh this could be about diddling [TS]

01:35:44   kind of feeling like yeah right it could [TS]

01:35:45   be fucked up here super fucked up and [TS]

01:35:48   and I in the ice mentioned they might be [TS]

01:35:50   giants in the sense that their songs are [TS]

01:35:52   really dark if you a lot of them if you [TS]

01:35:54   dig into yeah it flows into the lyrics [TS]

01:35:57   to be listened to the lyrics and think [TS]

01:35:58   about it even for a second but like a [TS]

01:36:01   you know be good Johnny you know they're [TS]

01:36:06   it's not just it's not an overkill right [TS]

01:36:09   yeah it's a mistake like those tunes if [TS]

01:36:12   you really dig into him even sonically [TS]

01:36:15   their dark you know they're weird the [TS]

01:36:18   lot of weird minor chords and and [TS]

01:36:21   strange sort of sonic constructions that [TS]

01:36:24   that even at the time when when there [TS]

01:36:27   was a lot of stuff on the radio like men [TS]

01:36:29   without hats like men at work versus men [TS]

01:36:33   without hats there's nothing I couldn't [TS]

01:36:36   dig into anything deeper on men without [TS]

01:36:38   hats than safety dance [TS]

01:36:40   yeah this is terrific song but it's kind [TS]

01:36:42   of a novelty song yeah whereas men at [TS]

01:36:44   work I felt like there was there was [TS]

01:36:47   that there was a reason in a way and [TS]

01:36:49   this is another can of worms in a way [TS]

01:36:51   like dire straits there was a lot of [TS]

01:36:55   deep dive on dire straits got going to [TS]

01:36:58   criticize them now my god I couldn't you [TS]

01:37:00   know like the man's too big demands too [TS]

01:37:02   strong i listen that's one of those [TS]

01:37:04   songs i listen to 40 times in a row [TS]

01:37:07   because it was just still it was [TS]

01:37:09   imparting so much to me but like dire [TS]

01:37:11   straits up [TS]

01:37:12   I don't understand a single criticism of [TS]

01:37:15   them maybe a little bit like we know [TS]

01:37:20   they're there just socialize with me [TS]

01:37:23   there hit record like so many of the hit [TS]

01:37:25   records at that time does sound a little [TS]

01:37:27   dated but you know how can you blame [TS]

01:37:30   that on anybody [TS]

01:37:31   whereas something like even like there's [TS]

01:37:34   their second [TS]

01:37:35   record like still I mean they sound like [TS]

01:37:37   maybe like a record from the eighties [TS]

01:37:38   but I think Sultans of Swing has a [TS]

01:37:40   timelessness to it [TS]

01:37:42   well not just that but like okay you [TS]

01:37:43   take money for nothing out [TS]

01:37:45   let's just say money for nothing is just [TS]

01:37:47   out it's just we're not even gonna talk [TS]

01:37:49   about it but like brothers-in-arms the [TS]

01:37:52   tune yeah i mean i'm looking here there [TS]

01:37:55   is some there is some weird production [TS]

01:37:57   on that like the sound of rain falling [TS]

01:37:59   that you're a little bit like really [TS]

01:38:00   thunder and lightning on it ok but i'll [TS]

01:38:03   let you know that's a little bit Bob [TS]

01:38:04   Seger but yes but the tune itself [TS]

01:38:07   incredible and I think of so far away [TS]

01:38:12   let's get some I mean there's even in [TS]

01:38:16   you know like industrial disease is a [TS]

01:38:17   little bit sort of proto money for [TS]

01:38:20   nothing but Romeo and Juliet that's a [TS]

01:38:23   terrific Siamese that's what i'm [TS]

01:38:24   thinking of like or that skate away song [TS]

01:38:27   well that's romeo and juliet right uh I [TS]

01:38:30   I just you know what's funny is like I [TS]

01:38:31   remember I new songs a swing from when [TS]

01:38:33   he came out but then dire straits for [TS]

01:38:36   one of those bands Oh No skate away is [TS]

01:38:38   the name yeah well but it was one of [TS]

01:38:39   those are it was one of those going back [TS]

01:38:43   a little doll that alchemy live record [TS]

01:38:44   was so good but it was you know one of [TS]

01:38:46   those bands where they would have these [TS]

01:38:47   videos these weird videos on MTV that [TS]

01:38:50   were not like other videos you know I [TS]

01:38:53   mean they were just they were more like [TS]

01:38:54   it's not be colic but they were like [TS]

01:38:56   sort of they're not just weird like [TS]

01:38:58   little like tone poems or something [TS]

01:38:59   yeah i mean so so they're goofball songs [TS]

01:39:03   twisting by the pool money for nothing [TS]

01:39:09   and i don't know like calling elvis or I [TS]

01:39:15   mean they had some they had some tunes [TS]

01:39:17   that were a little herp derp but but [TS]

01:39:23   they had so many so many good tunes and [TS]

01:39:26   i think that i think that the fact that [TS]

01:39:28   Marv not mark knopfler is friends with [TS]

01:39:30   both eric clapton steam is one of the [TS]

01:39:33   reasons that it's hard it's hard for [TS]

01:39:35   people to casually appraise them it's [TS]

01:39:39   like in a a he wore a headband be he was [TS]

01:39:42   friends with sting [TS]

01:39:43   normally that would be all you have [TS]

01:39:45   that's as deep as you have to go right [TS]

01:39:46   that's two strikes two strikes and [TS]

01:39:49   you're out [TS]

01:39:49   headbands people won't remember that [TS]

01:39:51   even by this time staying with seeming [TS]

01:39:53   pretty insufferable really bad during [TS]

01:39:56   the synchronicity era was the outfits [TS]

01:40:01   that he would wear and and i will be [TS]

01:40:03   interviews the interviews with him it's [TS]

01:40:05   like with his stunt classes in yoga talk [TS]

01:40:07   i would never criticize that album [TS]

01:40:11   because 10 rated so overrated [TS]

01:40:17   wow that's that's tough talk [TS]

01:40:19   synchronicity to it's a good song but I [TS]

01:40:22   mean it'sit's know like ghosts in the [TS]

01:40:25   machine [TS]

01:40:26   ok alright i agree with that and you're [TS]

01:40:27   not in the Machine and was it not send [TS]

01:40:29   Adam and daughter was the other one [TS]

01:40:30   because the machine was the one right [TS]

01:40:32   before it [TS]

01:40:33   ya gotta Madonna holy shit those two [TS]

01:40:36   albums i mean because the machine was [TS]

01:40:38   like wow you here's an add-on like all [TS]

01:40:40   my god what more could they do and it [TS]

01:40:41   goes the Machine oh my god so good [TS]

01:40:44   well and this is I mean if you think [TS]

01:40:46   about the first 14 REM records [TS]

01:40:50   yeah the first for you to records [TS]

01:40:53   yeah i mean all those early police [TS]

01:40:55   records its yeah a lot of good stuff [TS]

01:40:58   there and then it all went to shit in [TS]

01:41:00   all three cases so anyway Colin k is a [TS]

01:41:07   great singer walking in your footsteps [TS]

01:41:10   come on synchronicity to king of pain [TS]

01:41:13   even if you hate wrapped around your [TS]

01:41:17   finger it's still good to ya yes every [TS]

01:41:19   breath you take look I'll come on you're [TS]

01:41:22   killing me every breath you take is like [TS]

01:41:24   you choose one if it was if anybody else [TS]

01:41:29   any other band did that Thun you would [TS]

01:41:32   think even as a one-hit wonder [TS]

01:41:34   but like if a even if dire straits had [TS]

01:41:39   done every breath you take but like if [TS]

01:41:40   every breath you take had been done by [TS]

01:41:43   donovan even I mean it would be like the [TS]

01:41:45   best song in their cattle 3255 titles [TS]

01:41:48   three to five titles you ready for this [TS]

01:41:50   but number one spirits in the material [TS]

01:41:52   world number to every little thing she [TS]

01:41:55   does is magic in [TS]

01:41:57   number three invisible son member for [TS]

01:42:00   hungry for you number 5 Demolition Man [TS]

01:42:02   yeah ride one [TS]

01:42:04   alright that's a tough that stuff back [TS]

01:42:05   to follow I mean that's that's that's up [TS]

01:42:08   there with like master of puppets for [TS]

01:42:09   like an amazing side one [TS]

01:42:11   yeah yeah oh my god you gotta make a man [TS]

01:42:14   oh man even they're throwaways they're [TS]

01:42:16   so fun and admittedly tea in the Sahara [TS]

01:42:20   is that another and e1 no tienes sara is [TS]

01:42:24   sting doing his sheltering sky song like [TS]

01:42:29   he read the sheltering sky and he wrote [TS]

01:42:34   a song about it and it's so awful [TS]

01:42:40   because it's like well it's like his [TS]

01:42:42   song about Lolita uh-huh right like [TS]

01:42:45   don't don't read a book and then I mean [TS]

01:42:51   because you just feel like he's not come [TS]

01:42:53   memories not like it's not a tribute to [TS]

01:42:55   it as much as it is an a cooperation of [TS]

01:42:57   it [TS]

01:42:58   okay here's the thing is i remember [TS]

01:42:59   reading an interview with him in [TS]

01:43:02   probably like maybe guitar player knows [TS]

01:43:04   it was through some major music [TS]

01:43:05   magazines around the time the dream of [TS]

01:43:06   the turtles or whatever you dream about [TS]

01:43:08   it and then like to talk about the [TS]

01:43:09   interview instincts sitting there and [TS]

01:43:11   his bare feet like with his yoga outfit [TS]

01:43:13   on and he's he's got a yellow legal pad [TS]

01:43:15   and a rhyming dictionary and put some [TS]

01:43:18   reason and I was like you know what like [TS]

01:43:20   that's why that's so awkward because [TS]

01:43:22   here's the situation i want to write a [TS]

01:43:24   service went away on a week's vacation [TS]

01:43:25   yeah parents say nothing but trouble but [TS]

01:43:30   but but so you know this thing is [TS]

01:43:32   sitting there going like there's i want [TS]

01:43:33   to mention that i've read this book [TS]

01:43:36   yeah yeah yeah you know but I can't just [TS]

01:43:39   I you know I don't want to just mention [TS]

01:43:40   it like it has to be a little more slide [TS]

01:43:42   in that so just mentioned the hop [TS]

01:43:44   author's name but here's the problem [TS]

01:43:45   his name is kinda hard to run haha she [TS]

01:43:51   starts to shake and cough yeah just like [TS]

01:43:55   the old man in that book by now but god [TS]

01:44:01   it's still still pretty great you just [TS]

01:44:05   what you want to kick him in the shin [TS]

01:44:06   but also like it was that video go watch [TS]

01:44:08   that video and tell me you don't want to [TS]

01:44:10   be in that [TS]

01:44:10   man if that was the only if that was his [TS]

01:44:12   only crime yes you get you just say like [TS]

01:44:15   awesome right yeah it's one of those [TS]

01:44:17   crimes where it's like that was awesome [TS]

01:44:19   and then reflecting back on his later [TS]

01:44:22   crimes you go oh that was just a [TS]

01:44:25   harbinger like you would not i mean it [TS]

01:44:28   was trouble for a long time when Elvis [TS]

01:44:30   Costello got this beef for being a [TS]

01:44:32   racist where he had used eight the wrong [TS]

01:44:38   word used the N word to describe rate [TS]

01:44:41   rustles and also called him blind and [TS]

01:44:43   ignorant [TS]

01:44:44   now that was the story that went around [TS]

01:44:46   for a long time [TS]

01:44:47   turns out from what I hear he was doing [TS]

01:44:50   that to troll [TS]

01:44:53   oh yeah Bonnie Raitt up on the right on [TS]

01:44:55   doing any and bonnie bramlett yeah but [TS]

01:44:58   basically he was trolling them because [TS]

01:45:00   they were they were being all like Oh a [TS]

01:45:03   certain way [TS]

01:45:04   yeah he was he was he was an active [TS]

01:45:07   elvis costello not only loves break all [TS]

01:45:09   this music but like it's a giant fan of [TS]

01:45:11   huge amounts anyway but basically he was [TS]

01:45:13   a total troll toll troll now that's true [TS]

01:45:16   that's what I've heard [TS]

01:45:16   yeah I think he got punched in the eye I [TS]

01:45:18   think it not only do I feel like it's [TS]

01:45:20   true but absolutely plausible and as [TS]

01:45:23   usually the kind of thing i'll discuss [TS]

01:45:24   teller would do as you know I was Elvis [TS]

01:45:26   Costello's driver for two days that's [TS]

01:45:28   true you were and elvis costello that is [TS]

01:45:30   absolutely in keeping with him and it [TS]

01:45:34   just it just so happened that that kind [TS]

01:45:36   of that that trolling happened in [TS]

01:45:40   earshot of a of a reporter that wanted [TS]

01:45:42   to take him down and what can [TS]

01:45:47   what can you say I mean yeah it it it [TS]

01:45:50   negatively affected his career and maybe [TS]

01:45:54   maybe that taught him a lesson right i [TS]

01:45:56   mean he he pulled that same stone on [TS]

01:45:58   Saturday Night Live and they never had a [TS]

01:45:59   back or you know or or a similar degree [TS]

01:46:02   of like I'm going to stop this on that [TS]

01:46:05   we agreed i was going to do and I'm [TS]

01:46:06   gonna do the song that we agreed i could [TS]

01:46:08   not do right that I specifically told me [TS]

01:46:11   not to do [TS]

01:46:12   yeah right and and you specifically told [TS]

01:46:14   me not to do it because of bullshit [TS]

01:46:16   corporate reasons 1234 32 terror and [TS]

01:46:21   it's like yeah that was cool except the [TS]

01:46:23   people watching probably didn't realize [TS]

01:46:25   how cool you were being here and the [TS]

01:46:28   people who were your kids are gonna love [TS]

01:46:31   it [TS]

01:46:32   yeah like the people who are running the [TS]

01:46:33   show uh it was not cool to them and yet [TS]

01:46:37   so at elvis costello did a lot of things [TS]

01:46:40   that in the fullness of time we look [TS]

01:46:43   back and they seemed kind of legendary [TS]

01:46:45   like wow he he did that well he you know [TS]

01:46:48   and you forgive him [TS]

01:46:49   you forgive him for what he said about [TS]

01:46:50   Ray Charles because it's a little bit [TS]

01:46:52   like them [TS]

01:46:53   it's a little bit of Mussolini's train [TS]

01:46:54   running on time like it's he was being [TS]

01:46:57   it he was being ironic [TS]

01:47:00   just as the italians were being like yes [TS]

01:47:02   when it and it entered the it entered [TS]

01:47:05   the lexicon as a thing meant you know [TS]

01:47:07   it's a thing taken straight when it was [TS]

01:47:09   meant to be you know taken to mean the [TS]

01:47:11   opposite but so what do you you know [TS]

01:47:15   anyway Colin Hay is fantastic singer [TS]

01:47:17   still today I'm going to be just six [TS]

01:47:20   titles only six titles [TS]

01:47:22   ok don't stand so close to me yeah [TS]

01:47:24   driven to tears proven tutus and then of [TS]

01:47:28   course you straight into when the world [TS]

01:47:30   is running down you make the best with [TS]

01:47:31   what still around [TS]

01:47:33   number four canary in a coalmine 05 [TS]

01:47:36   voices inside my head 6 bombs away at [TS]

01:47:39   and what I don't know what that man in a [TS]

01:47:42   suitcase into da what I what I don't [TS]

01:47:45   know is that we're talking about albums [TS]

01:47:48   from an era where we bought albums and [TS]

01:47:50   listen to them all the way through and [TS]

01:47:51   you newest knew every song not only knew [TS]

01:47:54   every song but every transition you [TS]

01:47:56   would get to the AP if you hear one of [TS]

01:47:57   those songs on the radio now attending [TS]

01:47:59   doesn't go into when it was running down [TS]

01:48:01   that you start seeing in the next tune [TS]

01:48:04   for stars that's likely we will rock you [TS]

01:48:06   without playing we are the champions and [TS]

01:48:08   and I and I wonder if that [TS]

01:48:12   if that will ever it will ever return to [TS]

01:48:15   a time when people digested complete [TS]

01:48:18   works in that same way they'll let the [TS]

01:48:21   those first four police albums you know [TS]

01:48:25   all of the Beatles records all of the [TS]

01:48:29   mean in a way for me all of the early [TS]

01:48:33   ZZTop records [TS]

01:48:35   although i know not everybody follows me [TS]

01:48:36   there well but I know I i take me like [TS]

01:48:39   you right now you going to call her the [TS]

01:48:40   Beatles are good [TS]

01:48:41   let's do a match them up with them with [TS]

01:48:43   a super shuffle in here bones she came [TS]

01:48:45   in through the bathroom when you called [TS]

01:48:48   me a fucking break yeah that's not a [TS]

01:48:50   song you hear that's a that's a better [TS]

01:48:52   part that's the part that's like that's [TS]

01:48:54   like that's like the only reading the [TS]

01:48:56   nouns [TS]

01:48:57   yeah that one and you know the the [TS]

01:48:59   beatles number ones right that was put [TS]

01:49:02   out as a record or I mean and the open [TS]

01:49:04   here's the problem [TS]

01:49:05   the blue album and the red album our [TS]

01:49:07   albums to me [TS]

01:49:09   oh god that was that was where it [TS]

01:49:10   started for me right and so I started [TS]

01:49:12   with the I want to see the blue album i [TS]

01:49:14   started with the second one [TS]

01:49:15   yeah yeah yeah that's that's not able to [TS]

01:49:17   use your Madonna oh my god i love that [TS]

01:49:19   album so much so I when I get to the end [TS]

01:49:22   of a song i'm as likely to think of the [TS]

01:49:26   next song the blue album as I am to [TS]

01:49:28   think of the next song on the album that [TS]

01:49:30   those records that doesn't that mean [TS]

01:49:32   Young's decade [TS]

01:49:33   oh yeah that that is that mean like [TS]

01:49:35   that's one of the ones we like a you [TS]

01:49:37   know if you only want to have one neil [TS]

01:49:38   young title in your house that that's [TS]

01:49:41   arguably i'm done that even the biggest [TS]

01:49:43   proponent of going on by a best out but [TS]

01:49:45   that covers so much ground and has so [TS]

01:49:47   many extremely good songs on it you know [TS]

01:49:49   what I mean yeah well so like REM is [TS]

01:49:52   eponymous with my god very early to do a [TS]

01:49:55   greatest hits record on a band that but [TS]

01:49:57   you know but it was with a free copy of [TS]

01:49:59   dead letter office but I'm sorry well [TS]

01:50:02   I'm sorry not upon us dead letter office [TS]

01:50:03   had the outtakes plus it came with a [TS]

01:50:05   copy of chronic town which felt like [TS]

01:50:07   magic to me pretty smart and the promise [TS]

01:50:09   was pretty good that was there IRS hits [TS]

01:50:11   right right and that was IRS trying to [TS]

01:50:14   do I mean was that contractual [TS]

01:50:16   obligation record i think but also [TS]

01:50:19   trying to capitalize on the Warner [TS]

01:50:21   success we have the fact that like hey [TS]

01:50:23   you guys this is all good [TS]

01:50:26   get back here you know and we've got [TS]

01:50:28   this catalog and please lots of strong [TS]

01:50:31   record that's so good [TS]

01:50:33   yeah you know what do you like greatest [TS]

01:50:36   hits records can also be awful [TS]

01:50:39   I mean the Eagles greatest hits are kind [TS]

01:50:41   of the only thing you need to own and [TS]

01:50:43   even then you [TS]

01:50:44   well I don't know maybe not maybe not [TS]

01:50:48   maybe the Eagles are your reverb yeah [TS]

01:50:50   maybe you're right i mean I'm and I well [TS]

01:50:53   I don't watch that did you watch that a [TS]

01:50:55   two part movie on netflix i did i watch [TS]

01:50:58   it like once here we have really loved [TS]

01:51:00   it i just for joe walsh if nothing else [TS]

01:51:02   but like i don't know i get a lot from [TS]

01:51:04   watching that the when you think about [TS]

01:51:07   the Eagles when they looked their best [TS]

01:51:12   oh man it's kind of like the Beatles [TS]

01:51:14   during sergeant pepper like the Eagles [TS]

01:51:17   looked so good when they looked at their [TS]

01:51:20   best and then they looked so bad when [TS]

01:51:26   they didn't look their best like glenn [TS]

01:51:28   frey's for I was empirically hot was a [TS]

01:51:31   really cool good-looking guy when he had [TS]

01:51:34   a mustache and was wearing likes the [TS]

01:51:37   aviator glasses and the furry the collar [TS]

01:51:39   yeah and the faded like very tight [TS]

01:51:42   bell-bottom denim when they all were [TS]

01:51:46   wearing that denim like the denim era of [TS]

01:51:48   the eagles they couldn't have been [TS]

01:51:51   cooler looking and then almost [TS]

01:51:54   immediately when glenn frey like got [TS]

01:51:57   into weight lifting or put gel in his [TS]

01:51:59   hair whatever whatever it was they all [TS]

01:52:03   of a sudden looked awful and i don't i [TS]

01:52:07   don't know how I don't know how that [TS]

01:52:10   would have how you and I mean I have to [TS]

01:52:14   say like maybe I fell prey to this [TS]

01:52:18   myself like every photograph that my [TS]

01:52:21   band ever took and publicized looked [TS]

01:52:25   awful because i kept shaving two days [TS]

01:52:30   before our photoshoot for some reason [TS]

01:52:34   for some reason I kept feeling like [TS]

01:52:37   the beard was a thing that I wore all [TS]

01:52:40   the time as a sort of as a muffler as a [TS]

01:52:43   scarf and existential muffler [TS]

01:52:46   yeah but when it came time to like [TS]

01:52:48   actually represent the band and show up [TS]

01:52:51   for a photo shoot [TS]

01:52:52   yeah I'd shave it here your dad's voice [TS]

01:52:54   in your head like a tie and then i [TS]

01:52:56   looked like shit and then I mean we grew [TS]

01:52:59   the beard back and so everywhere i went [TS]

01:53:02   here i am with my beard and my shaggy [TS]

01:53:04   hair feeling good and I walk into the [TS]

01:53:06   club and there'd be an enormous picture [TS]

01:53:07   of me with my big fleshy face that what [TS]

01:53:12   it was it wasn't looking like the cousin [TS]

01:53:14   you're not sure if you want to invite to [TS]

01:53:16   the wedding [TS]

01:53:16   yeah I look so terrible and and it was [TS]

01:53:18   not just that but I had only shape two [TS]

01:53:20   days before so my face was kind of raw [TS]

01:53:22   but it just wasn't and so when you think [TS]

01:53:24   about the Eagles during that period [TS]

01:53:26   you're like to its don't shave your [TS]

01:53:27   mustache is you look amazing and they're [TS]

01:53:30   just not thinking that way right Don [TS]

01:53:33   Henley in his in his like it literally [TS]

01:53:37   his henley shirts every I don't know he [TS]

01:53:40   did that on purpose but all the [TS]

01:53:43   seventies he was wearing Henley's like a [TS]

01:53:45   collarless shirts which we call handling [TS]

01:53:48   I didn't know that [TS]

01:53:49   and his name is Don Henley and you're [TS]

01:53:51   just like really there's a guy's a [TS]

01:53:53   visual pun it's a little bit part me but [TS]

01:53:56   we should talk about handsome guitar [TS]

01:53:59   parts i won't talk about david gilmour [TS]

01:54:00   someday that that guy was super handsome [TS]

01:54:02   when he was young im so hands and he was [TS]

01:54:04   really is a good player [TS]

01:54:06   well he's Pashtu I think all those guys [TS]

01:54:08   are popular pretty posh who I did go [TS]

01:54:11   more is my if I were a wizard [TS]

01:54:15   I would have kind of three choices for [TS]

01:54:17   what my familiar would be okay and I [TS]

01:54:20   think to I could have any to write I [TS]

01:54:22   feel like if I were an idea and I do [TS]

01:54:24   believe I maybe half wizard but if i [TS]

01:54:26   were a full-fledged wizard and what I [TS]

01:54:30   wasn't when I wasn't making half hobbits [TS]

01:54:32   with the hobbit winches I i would be [TS]

01:54:39   walking around and it can make a little [TS]

01:54:41   bit make a little well not Bilbo's they [TS]

01:54:43   be bill bill rods [TS]

01:54:45   I will ride the hobbit little bill rod [TS]

01:54:50   half wizard if Wizards are at our angels [TS]

01:54:53   of some kind but i would have to [TS]

01:54:55   familiarize right i would have a raven [TS]

01:54:58   that was flying ahead and checking for [TS]

01:55:01   nas goals and just you know he's just [TS]

01:55:03   flying ahead right he's watching sure [TS]

01:55:06   sure see you crow her and then he's [TS]

01:55:08   either coming back to report to me or [TS]

01:55:10   he's psionically reporting to me he's [TS]

01:55:12   the three-eyed Raven but he's also a [TS]

01:55:14   little like Rottweiler were like he [TS]

01:55:15   knows when to go off and do his own [TS]

01:55:17   little campaign and then come back [TS]

01:55:19   yeah he's doing his own business and [TS]

01:55:21   he's a little bit independent of me [TS]

01:55:23   right sometimes he's not dependable [TS]

01:55:24   because he's working his own angle em [TS]

01:55:27   right but he's mostly allied with me but [TS]

01:55:32   he's easy easy independent guy and we [TS]

01:55:34   don't have a formal you know the formal [TS]

01:55:36   Raven human relationship butBut it's [TS]

01:55:40   something we're like the out of [TS]

01:55:41   friendship and mutual admiration and [TS]

01:55:44   even really a mutual mission [TS]

01:55:45   yeah you can each other most of the time [TS]

01:55:47   yeah he keeps close but if they're a [TS]

01:55:49   bunch of other Ravens it's not like he's [TS]

01:55:50   not going to work for you [TS]

01:55:52   exactly he's like a giant eagles like if [TS]

01:55:55   Gandalf can summon giant eagles to take [TS]

01:55:57   to rescue Frodo it as the as saw Ron's a [TS]

01:56:00   mountain of fire collapses [TS]

01:56:02   ok why couldn't get off have just some [TS]

01:56:03   of those Eagles to take him there in the [TS]

01:56:05   first place very obviating the need for [TS]

01:56:07   the entire quest i guess it's because [TS]

01:56:10   Iran would have seen the Eagles coming [TS]

01:56:13   but it also seems like maybe the Eagles [TS]

01:56:15   could have taken this quite a bit ly [TS]

01:56:17   content with strip quite aways right if [TS]

01:56:20   you have connected vehicles [TS]

01:56:22   maybe I could have taken the taking the [TS]

01:56:24   party all the way up to God or at least [TS]

01:56:28   ok so million number one choice number [TS]

01:56:30   one in this array John considers the [TS]

01:56:32   Raven the right The Raven is there and [TS]

01:56:35   he's you know he comes and goes but he's [TS]

01:56:36   he's be pal okay and yeah you and then a [TS]

01:56:40   raccoon [TS]

01:56:41   ok a raccoon who is kind of scampering [TS]

01:56:44   along i imagine a raccoon kind of like [TS]

01:56:47   the guardians of the galaxy record [TS]

01:56:49   although maybe not that contentious who [TS]

01:56:51   like a raccoon that also can kind of [TS]

01:56:54   communicate with me and he's the he's a [TS]

01:56:56   little bit of a trickster [TS]

01:56:58   you if I'm if I'm having a conversation [TS]

01:56:59   with somebody on the trail he'll sneak [TS]

01:57:01   around behind them and that's what he's [TS]

01:57:03   there for that's his performance [TS]

01:57:04   characters you don't you don't tell a [TS]

01:57:06   raccoon not to the camper and and [TS]

01:57:09   Twitter and ang I've I guess we can see [TS]

01:57:11   skitters right so he's so there they are [TS]

01:57:14   you know I'm like arguing with some [TS]

01:57:16   trolls and the middle part about my [TS]

01:57:19   backpack and the raccoon is going [TS]

01:57:21   through their luck it right [TS]

01:57:23   yeah he's got their luggage he's fucking [TS]

01:57:25   with them is I'm gonna shoe laces [TS]

01:57:27   looking looking for middle-earth [TS]

01:57:29   traveler's checks [TS]

01:57:30   yeah right he's fucking he's like he [TS]

01:57:32   squirted some toothpaste on their bag [TS]

01:57:34   and then i can say all you've got a leak [TS]

01:57:36   in your bag and then I fucking rip them [TS]

01:57:37   off [TS]

01:57:38   it's it's it's going papermoon you hate [TS]

01:57:41   we recommend have a long gone in [TS]

01:57:43   electric that's exactly right so the [TS]

01:57:45   Bible salesman if you think about the [TS]

01:57:47   combination of a rubber raven and a [TS]

01:57:49   raccoon has two familiars I'm thinking [TS]

01:57:53   that's some wizardry right there but i [TS]

01:57:55   know i had a third familiar it would be [TS]

01:57:58   David Gilmour and what we like you asked [TS]

01:58:09   what he do for you [TS]

01:58:11   I mean it can be handsome think about [TS]

01:58:13   traveling with David killed he has you [TS]

01:58:16   know what though like he's he's a ranger [TS]

01:58:18   right exactly a ranger you're exactly [TS]

01:58:21   right because he's got he's got charisma [TS]

01:58:23   he's got wisdom he's got strength and [TS]

01:58:26   he's got very very high charisma and I [TS]

01:58:29   think he could probably do a lot of [TS]

01:58:30   sweet-talking but i bet he is great he [TS]

01:58:32   has great taste we all know he has great [TS]

01:58:33   taste is very restrained he's gonna keep [TS]

01:58:36   you on even keel super-regal now think [TS]

01:58:38   about your coming into it you're coming [TS]

01:58:40   into a border town [TS]

01:58:41   yeah right you get through the gates and [TS]

01:58:43   you're going to the inn and you walk [TS]

01:58:45   into the in and everybody in there [TS]

01:58:48   smoking pipes and they've got their [TS]

01:58:49   hoods on their cloaks up and the [TS]

01:58:52   conversation stops when you walk in the [TS]

01:58:54   door and everybody turns and looks at [TS]

01:58:56   you and then normally they would go back [TS]

01:59:01   to their conversations and you would [TS]

01:59:02   feel like sort of lokale let's saddle up [TS]

01:59:05   to the bar and see if there's a room at [TS]

01:59:06   the end but now reimagine that scene [TS]

01:59:09   with david gilmour [TS]

01:59:10   war you push him a little bit forward he [TS]

01:59:13   walks in stands in the doorway the bar [TS]

01:59:15   everybody turns and listens and stops [TS]

01:59:17   talking [TS]

01:59:17   hello and then they continue to stop [TS]

01:59:20   talking because it's funny david gilmour [TS]

01:59:22   there and he walks over is like your [TS]

01:59:24   finest room please and they give you the [TS]

01:59:26   finest room king anything miles is a [TS]

01:59:29   little sparkle fucking david gilmour is [TS]

01:59:31   here right was very very handsome [TS]

01:59:34   well and when david gilmour walks into a [TS]

01:59:35   to a club in 1969 on London and [TS]

01:59:39   everybody goes to the gills here no one [TS]

01:59:43   says from David kill Moore's here right [TS]

01:59:47   right [TS]

01:59:48   he looks he looks like he looks like he [TS]

01:59:51   could be in the dismemberment plan you [TS]

01:59:53   know he was less handsome he's so [TS]

01:59:54   wonderful look at a chi and I mean when [TS]

01:59:57   David Gilmore says here's how I record [TS]

01:59:58   my solos [TS]

01:59:59   I just [TS]

01:59:59   I just [TS]

02:00:00   and the amp all the way up the end right [TS]

02:00:04   you're like I believe you I believe that [TS]

02:00:06   and I don't think that that is a put-on [TS]

02:00:08   I don't think that's pretentious at all [TS]

02:00:10   he turns his amp all the way up and [TS]

02:00:11   that's how he gets his sound that that's [TS]

02:00:14   all you need to know he described [TS]

02:00:15   anymore it would ruin the lesson [TS]

02:00:17   yeah has everything you need to know now [TS]

02:00:19   you'll figure it out yeah turn your app [TS]

02:00:21   all the way up right and then your [TS]

02:00:23   guitar will respond differently and [TS]

02:00:26   that's that it's but it's it but the [TS]

02:00:28   thing is it's not a recipe it's a way of [TS]

02:00:30   life you can't use a way of life to make [TS]

02:00:33   toast [TS]

02:00:33   that's a nice piece for it's a recipe [TS]

02:00:35   right out that's right and then also [TS]

02:00:37   happen so I mean it's not a recipe in [TS]

02:00:40   the sense of going like okay you're [TS]

02:00:41   gonna have a perfect sourdough bread [TS]

02:00:43   after you turn up your am no that's not [TS]

02:00:45   it at all [TS]

02:00:45   turn up the ramp and double play for 20 [TS]

02:00:47   years ago play well and also be inspired [TS]

02:00:50   and brilliant and wonderful [TS]

02:00:51   yeah be really good that's the other [TS]

02:00:52   thing I don't think that other tip [TS]

02:00:54   that's the other tip I don't think [TS]

02:00:56   having David Gilmour as your father [TS]

02:00:57   would be very great though I think that [TS]

02:01:00   he is maybe a little bit of a love with [TS]

02:01:03   holder if you if you give me if you get [TS]

02:01:06   my drift [TS]

02:01:07   that still does not count him out for [TS]

02:01:09   the campaign though you got a ravenous [TS]

02:01:11   raccoon David cab get a ravenous raccoon [TS]

02:01:13   david gilmour that you're gonna have a [TS]

02:01:15   very interesting campaign [TS]

02:01:16   yeah well I'm the thing is I don't need [TS]

02:01:17   love from david gilmour in that in that [TS]

02:01:19   moment because the Ravens not give me [TS]

02:01:21   any love and the raccoon barely is I'm [TS]

02:01:24   and frankly I'm getting my love from two [TS]

02:01:27   things Hobbit girl and a young Linda [TS]

02:01:31   Ronstadt oh man is she wearing skates [TS]

02:01:34   well was she on the campaign and skates [TS]

02:01:38   oh my god yeah all right right even the [TS]

02:01:40   nozzle would turn away she's wearing [TS]

02:01:42   giant hoop earrings and roller skates [TS]

02:01:45   who had a raccoon and a raven David job [TS]

02:01:50   market later on stand around it's giving [TS]

02:01:53   me blue bayou just think about it I mean [TS]

02:01:55   I mean shit what why is this not my life [TS]

02:02:01   now this should be a module this should [TS]

02:02:04   be I mean talk about like I didn't roll [TS]

02:02:07   for this character i chose this [TS]

02:02:09   character [TS]

02:02:10   haha oh I'm so sad [TS]

02:02:16   fire t-shirts oh shit yeah then we can [TS]

02:02:19   talk about it too much for two hours in [TS]