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0:00:26hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

0:00:31good it's very loud in my headphones

0:00:33here I'm Matt I'm yeah please I met a

0:00:36guy i met a outside studio highlights

0:00:40its judge john hodgman engineer volume

0:00:44knob

0:00:45ok I just John Hodgman I Merlin says I

0:00:48other than the manager of my apartment

0:00:51building or a manager of my office who

0:00:53one time knocked on the door and maybe

0:00:55was audible in the background and some

0:00:58seagulls you were the first guest voice

0:01:01on Roderick milan just here to make sure

0:01:04it sounds good everybody that sounds

0:01:06fantastic play by John please thank John

0:01:08for me Merlin says thanks

0:01:10yeah I could you put the put the baffles

0:01:13there it's just like my you know i miss

0:01:16the seagulls at John does he have

0:01:19anything to adjudicate would you like to

0:01:20join us for the program

0:01:22John would you like morones asking

0:01:23whether you would like to join us for

0:01:25Robert on the line to adjudicate some

0:01:27issues maybe some dad issues i just want

0:01:31to make sure it sounds good place like

0:01:33this template tell john thanks I'd love

0:01:35to but I we're not set up for that right

0:01:37now maybe another time and I've got it I

0:01:39got it

0:01:40just make sure the knobs and dials

0:01:41working and I gotta go do my work

0:01:43ok thank you John of all the Merlin

0:01:46wants to say thank you again

0:01:47of all the people in my life where I

0:01:50can't even hear no I know I could just

0:01:52translate everything he says 21 right

0:01:55here he goes

0:01:56Merlin over here go ahead you want

0:01:58something to adjudicate oh uh ok I i

0:02:01found a note to my daughter a love note

0:02:04to my daughter in her backpack

0:02:06should I acknowledge that ignore it or

0:02:08something else Merlin found a love note

0:02:11to his daughter in her backpack should

0:02:16he acknowledge it or should he leave it

0:02:18alone or some third option she is not

0:02:23old enough to be receiving love letters

0:02:25in my what is there a hurt she's at John

0:02:28John John she's 8 years of age and his

0:02:30rate is reciprocated

0:02:31she's 8 years of age and it seems like

0:02:34the love feelings are reciprocated

0:02:37is it clear that the letter is from a

0:02:39forty-five-year-old manager Ahn Joong

0:02:42could you please tell john it's written

0:02:44in it and nearly indecipherable scroll

0:02:47it's nearly indecipherable a scrawled

0:02:50but I think that's unclear about the age

0:02:53because if i had written a love letter

0:02:54would also be an incomprehensible take a

0:02:57picture of it if you ever need it for

0:02:59evidence but otherwise let your daughter

0:03:02began to cultivate our own inner life

0:03:04John could you please thank john hodgman

0:03:07for me of course a Merlin senses thanks

0:03:10his gratitude and appreciation

0:03:12alright he's got to do his work yeah he

0:03:15has to do is we have a story I have a

0:03:17story that i could tell you about one of

0:03:19my own children but it's their private

0:03:22life

0:03:22that's right private lives I'm working

0:03:23on it i'm working on it don't let him do

0:03:26his work you you go thank you so much

0:03:28for the top shelf engineering do you

0:03:30need water i would like the water I

0:03:33would like a hot tea

0:03:34well can you bring me some kind of

0:03:36refreshment yeah room temp thank you

0:03:40Wow him you're not a man will turn down

0:03:43a beverage

0:03:43no I like a room-temperature beverage I

0:03:45used to I i sent you a picture the no

0:03:48don't don't share with us but you can

0:03:49look at it on the video sent here too to

0:03:53my own son husband address right and my

0:03:57jaw dropped i sent it to a text it to

0:04:00you and I sent John a picture of my dick

0:04:03this is very wrong window sorry you're

0:04:05wrong window sleep

0:04:07no he can't hear you I know um you know

0:04:10I used to I used to be i still have to

0:04:12some extent a multi beverage man i think

0:04:14i've told you this at some point around

0:04:16the time i discovered scotch or awkward

0:04:18length also him

0:04:19Merlin I'm sorry to interrupt yeah i'm

0:04:21i'm being given two options one is a

0:04:23pepsi a pint glass from 1973 Warner

0:04:28Brothers branding arbys that's an arby's

0:04:29glass it's an arby's glass and it's a

0:04:31and it has the character foghorn leghorn

0:04:33on it

0:04:34oh my god and the other one appears to

0:04:36be a hand thrown ceramic mug with a

0:04:40screen-printed face of a very

0:04:42serious-looking Lyndon Baines Johnson oh

0:04:45god I'm gonna say it's LBJ

0:04:47pre Kennedy administration he appears to

0:04:50be well wait a minute and it might be it

0:04:53might be vice-president Lyndon Baines

0:04:55Johnson it's before he was president for

0:04:57sure see which one I'm tryin and tryin

0:05:00to adjudicate this in inter and a

0:05:02reasonable and fair way I don't have to

0:05:03get back to his work if it were me and

0:05:05it was room temperature water i would

0:05:07absolutely take photos of my clean

0:05:09healthy ok alright thanks to teach you

0:05:12thank John for me

0:05:13yeah Merlin would like to reiterate his

0:05:15thanks for all your all your support not

0:05:19gonna do my work going to cut all this

0:05:21out

0:05:22yeah you know no we never cut anything

0:05:24that the Cameo you can notice the cost

0:05:28ok thank you Dad

0:05:32alright so you know this is I've been

0:05:35been recording a lot of podcast lately

0:05:38remotely uh-huh and magnetically charged

0:05:42your bathtub at the half and in the in

0:05:45the streets and now I'm here I'm here at

0:05:48the at the famous judge john hodgman

0:05:51chambers and the velvet curtains and the

0:05:54enormous desk

0:05:55do you feel like you're out of material

0:05:57are resorting to stunts or is this a

0:05:58happenstance thing is it experimenting

0:06:00are you having a crisis it's just it's

0:06:02just the way it worked out what's

0:06:03leading you to all these novel locations

0:06:05I don't know I'm not really somebody

0:06:07that that does stunts I i got my god you

0:06:11know I got sick and then you get really

0:06:13sick got really sick but I think what

0:06:16happened was I i received as a gift that

0:06:19that pretty neat be castor microphone

0:06:23and things weird looking

0:06:25it's weird-looking and but it plugs into

0:06:27my laptop and I had I done the thing

0:06:30where I moved my computer to the office

0:06:32i eliminated the possibility of

0:06:34podcasting from my home

0:06:35partly or almost entirely to get me out

0:06:38of the house and into another location

0:06:41where my work could conceivably happen

0:06:43mhm but then I got this microphone and

0:06:46one when i was on the RV trip I

0:06:49podcasted from California and then I

0:06:53realized how easy it was to just pull

0:06:55plug and play

0:06:57I was plugin and

0:06:59I am and then I said he and it's of its

0:07:02those kinds of mice tend to be very

0:07:03forgiving even when i became a nominally

0:07:06professional podcaster i still use the

0:07:08same Mike I used since 2004-2005 because

0:07:11you just plug it in it goes and let him

0:07:13play

0:07:13it's idiot-proof and that the 1 i'm

0:07:15using right now is Hodgins road rude and

0:07:21it's a USB mic is it a white Mike I now

0:07:25it's sort of black looks like a

0:07:27community in all honesty it looks like a

0:07:28butt plug

0:07:29I was gonna say this looks a little bit

0:07:30like coit tower combined with a sex toy

0:07:32it's like a short coit ok short coit

0:07:36because I road is what i use this is

0:07:38very interesting stuff for our listeners

0:07:39that's that's what I used for years

0:07:40until like the last you know couple

0:07:42three years

0:07:42that's what I'm just gonna be used as he

0:07:44has one of those like radio station

0:07:46articulated Mike booms of the

0:07:50articulating boom I'm looking from his

0:07:52skype profile photo

0:07:53yeah which is actually one less creepy

0:07:55pictures I've seen of him in the last

0:07:56five years

0:07:57he's uh he's doing like a kind of a

0:07:59computer selfie talking into a hanging

0:08:01like yeah right i mean his right now his

0:08:04beard is sort of in the remember the

0:08:06movie big trouble little china never

0:08:09stopped but I know the film

0:08:10yeah well I he's got a beard that sort

0:08:13of would not be out of place in that

0:08:14film but you know my podcasts Mike

0:08:17holding setup is just a it's a desk

0:08:19stands which is to say normal mic stand

0:08:23that's only eight inches high

0:08:25I was just a character played by James

0:08:27Hong that's right i love that guy

0:08:30yeah James I'm very good he plays the he

0:08:32plays come to pandas dad

0:08:34yeah that's right he's also he's also

0:08:35the chinese restaurant guy on Seinfeld

0:08:37that's right 5-10 minutes and he he is

0:08:41looking for a girl with green eyes

0:08:42aren't we all are John yeah and so what

0:08:46happens beer now has definitely become a

0:08:47little bit how do you say how you say as

0:08:50crackly scraggly anyway so he's got this

0:08:54boom mic which makes me feel like I'm

0:08:56doing a radio interview in the like

0:08:59radio station yeah

0:09:01many of those i have em but uh but yeah

0:09:04so I keep my I keep my microphone in my

0:09:07hand

0:09:08my lap when we normally record my

0:09:10goodness and that's why when I started

0:09:13recording in my bed and then also in my

0:09:15bathtub

0:09:17I I wasn't sure what to do with that mic

0:09:19and so that picture of me recording in

0:09:21my bed it's actually on my chest

0:09:24uh-huh but I couldn't do that in the

0:09:26bath anyway so i don't i'm not this

0:09:28isn't justice

0:09:29it's not a series of of gags and the

0:09:32study is not a value judgment you got to

0:09:34keep things fresh

0:09:35yeah you don't know I feel like what I

0:09:37feel like Merlin our shows evergreen we

0:09:40never run out of its always been green

0:09:42yeah I i agree i think there will always

0:09:45be always be something here is always

0:09:48something there to remind us sump pump

0:09:51yeah like Burt Bacharach and I'm gonna

0:09:55rattle i do I had a berth backrack

0:09:57boxset right Mac Iraq boxset that I got

0:10:00that i got in 1998 that I that I adore

0:10:02that we had compact disc records

0:10:05that's right compact discs which used to

0:10:07until very recently seemed like they

0:10:11were going to be the the the way that I

0:10:13heard the living who brother you

0:10:14remember that somebody said to me the

0:10:16other day they were like do you want to

0:10:18buy compact they were being you know

0:10:20kind of smug snide pro streaming i was

0:10:23left with a millennial John was a

0:10:25millennial ma said do you want to buy a

0:10:27compact disc and I said I never wanted

0:10:28to buy a compact disc what I wanted to

0:10:30do was sell them to people

0:10:32yeah I had no personal interest in them

0:10:34but i wanted to sell them and I cannot

0:10:37sell whatever strings you can tell you

0:10:40can sell stream now that's not that

0:10:41doesn't belong to me I'm not the owner

0:10:43of stream I don't know how up-to-date

0:10:44you are on this job but that the

0:10:46streaming model is not earning artist a

0:10:48lot of money i don't have to wear this

0:10:49for and what now when I further

0:10:51understand it's not really earning money

0:10:53for anybody

0:10:54is that true didn't somebody just report

0:10:56some you know some fewer earnings than

0:11:00they expected something like we might be

0:11:01there might be a few earnings I mean you

0:11:03know there's a lot of infrastructure to

0:11:04that

0:11:05yeah and it's a you know an ecosystem I

0:11:08think it's very challenging to people

0:11:10and your was named medina team where I'm

0:11:13these number 17 86 comedy be warmer for

0:11:18a second there I little jump in the pool

0:11:20I thought you said it was an ecosystem

0:11:22and I was like a was like the new

0:11:24pornographers

0:11:25oh no no I was thinking of the one from

0:11:27the velvet underground down the bike

0:11:28right

0:11:29she don't like she doesn't like no I

0:11:31think she was a French bike Nico I might

0:11:34well my way I think she got on a bike

0:11:38but I'm not know that might have been

0:11:39what about the lady from radiolab from

0:11:41stereolab had a bike accident to the the

0:11:44radiolab lady a had had a bike accident

0:11:47i think that was a long time ago didn't

0:11:49they didn't have a terrace stereo lab

0:11:52bike accident you know Sonny Bono died

0:11:56in a skiing accident

0:11:58yeah and also that Kennedy there was a

0:12:00Kennedy the diner scheme

0:12:02I don't know buddy when i hear something

0:12:03happen with skiing on my alarm bells go

0:12:06off for me

0:12:07well this is the thin side that sounds

0:12:08like a jamup John I've skied my whole

0:12:10life and I've had a lot of accidents

0:12:12some of them horrific accidents that we

0:12:17would that we used to call the yard sale

0:12:19accident because from the point where

0:12:23you initially contact the snow to the

0:12:25point where you finally come to rest you

0:12:28leave little bits of yourself all your

0:12:31garments all of your equipment just in a

0:12:34long long sort of skid mark shot like a

0:12:38wily kpx it and yeah because you're

0:12:40going so fast that when you when you

0:12:42lose it and there's that there's that

0:12:45pregnant moment you're skiing and then

0:12:47you realize that you are going to go

0:12:51down like something happens you catch an

0:12:53edge or something is awful and there's

0:12:56that moment you're flying through the

0:12:58air and you're like oh shit and then

0:13:01when you hit when you contact and you

0:13:04start to I mean that first contact and

0:13:06then you are just flying through the air

0:13:09tumbling and the first thing you lose

0:13:12our skis and then your hat and goggles

0:13:15and then inexplicably your gloves just

0:13:19your period your gloves just come off

0:13:21for some reason and your poles and then

0:13:24snow is being stuffed into your nose and

0:13:26mouth because you're still going 40

0:13:29miles an hour

0:13:30and then all this other stuff comes off

0:13:33your jacket somehow your boots i'm not

0:13:37actually your boots that would be really

0:13:39hard but you know by the time you come

0:13:40to arrest yeah you can be really fucked

0:13:43up but to die i'm usually I think it's

0:13:48that they hit a tree I think Sonny Bono

0:13:50hit a tree but i'm not sure even that

0:13:52like hit a tree but he's Sonny Bono how

0:13:55fast is he fucking going you know what I

0:13:58mean like like I'm trying to picture

0:14:00Sonny Bono at a speed where he would go

0:14:05out of control and hit a tree hard

0:14:07enough to die and i know this is just

0:14:09your biases out of heavenly I've been

0:14:11thinking about this for years

0:14:13how did this how did this go down and I

0:14:15and I really wish there were some crime

0:14:17scene photos of sunny like wrapped

0:14:19around a tree so I could get a mental

0:14:21picture of it

0:14:22oh my goodness says here his I don't

0:14:25mean that I don't mean to you know i got

0:14:27you babe on his grave but after his

0:14:29death mary bono corner of your son had

0:14:31been addicted to vicodin valium here you

0:14:35think he was skiing under the influence

0:14:36this is what the hell I'm sorry sorry

0:14:38sorry I douglas county coroner said no

0:14:40indication of substances or alcohol that

0:14:42seem to get careless working but that's

0:14:45good no substance isn't you know I know

0:14:46there's no chemical it happened

0:14:48completely in a vacuum that sounds very

0:14:51suspicious

0:14:52it was you know there was always a

0:14:53divide between skiers who would ski

0:14:56drunk and skiers who wouldn't

0:15:01and then there were you know like I

0:15:02loved justice Keystone it's one of the

0:15:06great feelings because you really

0:15:09recognize like wow I'm hurtling down a

0:15:11mountain it's this is a amazing this is

0:15:14this is like a singular right to know

0:15:20when you're when you're skiing ski all

0:15:22the time you just feel like oh yeah this

0:15:23is my normal thing but when you really

0:15:25realize what you're doing you're way way

0:15:28high up on a mountain in the middle of

0:15:29winter which is a condition you would

0:15:31not otherwise be in right it's kind of a

0:15:34fantastical position to be in if you had

0:15:37to

0:15:38climb there in the winter it would be

0:15:41amazing but you write a chair up there

0:15:42and then you're you're just flying down

0:15:46it and so when you're stoned

0:15:48you're aware of all that in a different

0:15:50way and you just like this is incredible

0:15:52a lot of my friends would get drunk on

0:15:54wine and ski and that always seemed

0:15:58insane like all it does is is deprived

0:16:01you of coordination it doesn't give you

0:16:03any feeling of like whoa

0:16:06it just makes you sloppy yeah I used to

0:16:10kind of a connoisseur even before my

0:16:12days are discovering whiskey I I used to

0:16:13be kind of a connoisseur of picking the

0:16:15right substance for a given situation is

0:16:18getting that wrong you don't wanna do

0:16:19that and i can see that skiing and we'd

0:16:21sounds like a match made in you know

0:16:23heavenly ski and we don't mean to to

0:16:26cross da to cross-pollinate podcast but

0:16:29skiing weed and mountain dew yeah yeah

0:16:31in what could be better at section 3.1

0:16:34religion of Sonny Bono's profile I don't

0:16:37will probably cut this out he became

0:16:39interested in Scientology took

0:16:40Scientology coils are you can also we

0:16:43have new listeners to our podcast

0:16:45ya welcome partly because of the

0:16:47influence of me Rodgers he stated he was

0:16:49Roman Catholic on official documents his

0:16:51wife Mary also took Scientology courses

0:16:53however however after his death mary

0:16:56Bono stated that quote Sonny did try to

0:16:59break away at one point and they made it

0:17:01very difficult for him on my boat and

0:17:05you trashed the church denied any

0:17:07estrangement from bono he tried to get

0:17:09out but they pulled him back at the back

0:17:11in maybe not with the help of a

0:17:13Scientologist 30 so is it is it do you

0:17:16think they took him down to the desert

0:17:18outside of Palm Springs and put him in a

0:17:20shipping container and whacked him with

0:17:22the sagebrush or whatever it is they do

0:17:24down there could be could be could be

0:17:26that he I you know check his mail

0:17:27someday and I get with a special offers

0:17:29you get right like you with what you get

0:17:31a cruise or vacation you know maybe

0:17:33thought a worst-case it's a timeshare

0:17:35but I get to go skiing and heavenly it's

0:17:37at a time share it turned out to be a

0:17:39special offer to not leave the church of

0:17:41scientology

0:17:44Mr Bond novel idea this is an offer we

0:17:46make exactly once wasn't we ever have a

0:17:48one-time offer cannot leave the church

0:17:51of scientology heavenly is a nice name

0:17:53for a place never skied there and I'm

0:17:56embarrassed to say I really am

0:17:58embarrassed to say it you know i think i

0:18:00may say things on this podcast that

0:18:02would embarrass other people to say yeah

0:18:04I know what I'm not worried about them

0:18:06but I'm not embarrassed to say those

0:18:08things but I mean I'm genuinely

0:18:09embarrassed to say what I'm about to say

0:18:11can which is that I have not skied that

0:18:14many places while I can be embarrassed

0:18:17to say that well because you know skiing

0:18:19was a big part of my identity when I was

0:18:21growing up right and and I've been to

0:18:25Europe many times but I've never skied

0:18:28there

0:18:28I've been to all 50 states but i have

0:18:32only skied in Alaska Washington and

0:18:36Idaho I've never skied in Colorado

0:18:41oh no we don't know I've never seen

0:18:43Colorado never skating utah I've never

0:18:46even skied in Wyoming have killed him

0:18:50Idaho Washington and Alaska now I've

0:18:53never even been to Mount Hood and and it

0:18:57just feels like for all of the for all

0:19:00of the like adventuring that I

0:19:03supposedly do that that just I don't

0:19:06know what I think I feel like it

0:19:08reflects poorly on me that I should have

0:19:11been you know been to andorra i stood at

0:19:13the foot of the ski mountain I played

0:19:16rock music at the Sundance Film Festival

0:19:19stood at the foot of the ski mountain

0:19:22but I just never I didn't because going

0:19:24skiing in a in a strange mountain is

0:19:27such a pain in the ass right you have to

0:19:29go grant all your stuff you have to

0:19:30dedicate all day to it you wake up early

0:19:33find a set of gloves somewhere you know

0:19:37it's not it's not a sport that you can

0:19:38just spontaneously but I but people do

0:19:42it all the time they spontaneously go

0:19:43skiing all the time

0:19:44spontaneous key is the thing yeah i'm

0:19:46just not a spontaneous skier and that

0:19:48and the result of that is that I've

0:19:50never have just skied in these three

0:19:52states

0:19:52kind of embarrassed to say huh I just I

0:19:55feel like I feel like a coat of shame

0:19:58I feel like they're going to be people

0:19:59that write me and say and just basically

0:20:01like go man haha oh you're gonna lose

0:20:05cred promiscuous keen community all

0:20:08these people that have skied zermatt or

0:20:10skated garmisch-partenkirchen Swat

0:20:13Valley snowbird parks do you have the

0:20:15little bald Aspen Monta san lorenzo

0:20:19beavercreek these are all places listed

0:20:21on the wikipedia page for a list of

0:20:23skiing deaths ya go skiing death

0:20:26no yeah yeah I'm trying to cross

0:20:27references of people who may or may not

0:20:29be Scientologist how many what about

0:20:32natasha richardson was she a

0:20:33Scientologist is she the one that was in

0:20:36that james bond movie where it seemed

0:20:37implausible to choose a nuclear

0:20:39physicist

0:20:40oh no that's probably Denise Richards

0:20:42Denise Richards not natasha richardson

0:20:44with one dated the guy with the drug

0:20:48problem

0:20:49oh uh which one dated the guy with the

0:20:53drug problem was that can students

0:20:56oh that's you know what your realistics

0:20:58yes yes that's also i think Denise

0:21:01Richards ok alright is Richard she was

0:21:04that pretty girl in magazines in the

0:21:06nineties is in the change-up on didn't

0:21:08find her pretty much just not your type

0:21:09out your right toes was very unusual

0:21:12ww-wait for you huh do not well that's

0:21:15no this is the thing I like a nose that

0:21:17kind of gets in the way and her nose

0:21:20seemed like it had been whittled down so

0:21:23there wasn't anything to get in the way

0:21:25yeah right it seems like it seems like a

0:21:26small nose basically if your nose is

0:21:29capable of getting nectar from a flower

0:21:32if he knows is capable get next flower

0:21:37you might be coming but you might be a

0:21:39hummingbird you have a prominent

0:21:41proboscis and like to ski

0:21:43I'm so glad that are that are southern

0:21:45lawyer that's kind of my jeff foxworthy

0:21:47you're done

0:21:51epidural hematoma that's a shame you're

0:21:54pretty name for a girl and then yes so

0:21:56the woman merry Hanson from stereolab

0:21:58died in a bike accident where there's a

0:22:00list of famous bike deaths like axe

0:22:03yeah you know a good friend of mine who

0:22:05plays do

0:22:06drums in the band keen Richard he is a

0:22:09real advocate for bike safety in London

0:22:13wow yeah so he's talking all the time I

0:22:15see a lot of of helmet cam videos from

0:22:20the streets around London where

0:22:22bicyclists are on like these kind of

0:22:25ridiculously narrow bike paths and then

0:22:28some angry lorry driver will

0:22:31intentionally run them off the road

0:22:32because there's a lot of apparently a

0:22:35lot of hatred of bicycle culture in the

0:22:39UK man which sort of you know it just is

0:22:42a it's a a it's a corollary to just the

0:22:46general hatred that's in the UK but it's

0:22:49directed at bicyclist it's a civil kind

0:22:51of hatred

0:22:52no I think if you're running someone off

0:22:54the road the the question of civility

0:22:56has already been answered

0:22:58alright agree and disagree yeah oh you

0:23:00think that you can you think you can run

0:23:01but i think it's a little bit it's a

0:23:03little bit you know America centric for

0:23:06you to not be sensitive to the

0:23:07subtleties of the the class distinctions

0:23:10in the united kingdom

0:23:11well i don't know i don't want her to

0:23:12judge i mean some people with dogs you

0:23:14know I've spent a lot of time over there

0:23:16and I feel like I'm a pretty good sense

0:23:18of how deeply deeply sublimated their

0:23:23British people seem seem angry

0:23:26yeah they're well you know they used to

0:23:28have an empire that spanned the globe

0:23:30the Sun never sat sun never sat on the

0:23:34British Empire and now it sits on the

0:23:36British Empire every morning just as

0:23:38long as it once just sits there and the

0:23:42British Empire is trying to get out from

0:23:43under the Sun but yep and it cannot fix

0:23:47them

0:23:48sure uh yeah sure that Venezuela you

0:23:51know you got the changes in oil prices

0:23:52it's a complicated time for everyone

0:23:53they're not making any money from

0:23:54streaming it's a tough time on that and

0:23:57that's affecting Cuba right Venezuela

0:23:58used to use to fund Cuba with their with

0:24:01their extra oil like a big game of

0:24:03diplomacy and nobody's winning

0:24:04yeah it's a it's like the game of Clue

0:24:06right we're here where your country

0:24:09acquires a bunch of wheat and then

0:24:12trades the wheat for the candlestick

0:24:15right you sank my battleship exactly

0:24:17same thing

0:24:19Jack I feel like I feel like are we are

0:24:22we are we dropping ourselves this

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0:25:34supporting Roderick on the loss yeah you

0:25:36ever get that feeling that were dropping

0:25:37ourselves

0:25:38yeah right where you know for a long

0:25:40time people try to trip you try to show

0:25:43how would they go about that

0:25:45oh you know they trope you like you your

0:25:46wallet online shopping it's kinda like

0:25:48almost like online bullying yeah you can

0:25:50you say like oh that person's

0:25:51appropriate about trusting ourselves you

0:25:54mean like were like descending into

0:25:56self-parody well yeah I mean you and I

0:25:58have never really said hashtag

0:26:00supertrain to each other right other

0:26:03people say hashtag supertrain to us

0:26:06yeah and if we start super training one

0:26:08another yeah right work the worthen

0:26:11where Trump you're flying too close to

0:26:12the Sun but right now my friend

0:26:14alright I'll back swings merry merry

0:26:16Hanson she does not funny she died in an

0:26:18on the ppt page for a cycling road

0:26:21accident deaths and nico nico from the

0:26:24velvet underground she went that way a

0:26:27lot so I don't recognize you know you

0:26:29want you want your

0:26:31famous people to die of drugs right yeah

0:26:34you don't want them to die like you know

0:26:35if you're a soldier there's nothing more

0:26:37honorable you know then going down in

0:26:39the art and whatever right I see not to

0:26:41dive drugs no well i don't know i mean i

0:26:43don't want to be you know I don't know I

0:26:45don't know that much about the about the

0:26:46military but you know i mean it makes

0:26:48sense that if you're in

0:26:49I don't know I'm gonna see again I don't

0:26:51be culturally insensitive but yeah

0:26:53that's how you want people to die you

0:26:54want to die of a drug overdose or like a

0:26:56second overdose although i don't know

0:26:58anybody that's ever that's ever happened

0:27:00except for goldie Hawn's husband in

0:27:03private benjamin right

0:27:05oh yes and that was that the

0:27:07precipitating that was the event that

0:27:08led her to want to join the active

0:27:10military I don't think she wanted to

0:27:12join I feel like shit her her husband

0:27:15was going to afford her very comfortable

0:27:17life

0:27:18yeah and then he died on the bathroom

0:27:20floor on their wedding night

0:27:21is that true you well that's sad what

0:27:24horrible horrible way to begin a comedy

0:27:26yeah go go to go to the wikipedia page

0:27:29for a drive and have a pitchman deaths

0:27:31and then for some reason I'm not sure

0:27:33why right because she would have

0:27:35inherited his maybe he didn't have any

0:27:37money or maybe his family fought her for

0:27:40the inheritance or something seems like

0:27:42it was on our wedding night she already

0:27:44would have been able to well for

0:27:48whatever reason my gosh i was Albert

0:27:50Brooks John know that's what it says

0:27:52here on wikipedia Albert Brooks really

0:27:54died on their wedding night during sex

0:27:57or sec intercourse quickest quickest and

0:28:00then she was forced to become a private

0:28:03in the army

0:28:04haha she's recruited by a sneaky

0:28:07recruiting sergeant played by wait for

0:28:09it Harry Dean Stanton no come on there's

0:28:11kids you know Wikipedia hey Jim Ballard

0:28:13played by Harry Dean Stanton this can't

0:28:15be that much of an all-star cast this is

0:28:17amazing that Janet Walsh's in here

0:28:19somewhere

0:28:20I remember feeling like Private Benjamin

0:28:21was it really acquitted itself well to

0:28:25my what twelve-year-old mind what year

0:28:27was it

0:28:28thank you can be 2 1989 teensy so this

0:28:33is x 12 years old or 12 years old and I

0:28:35thought Private Benjamin was just the

0:28:37jam but wait a minute what year was

0:28:38stripes right I'm gonna I'm gonna call

0:28:40that 181 but i'll check right so I mean

0:28:43one of these

0:28:44one of these things presage the other

0:28:46right one of them

0:28:48yeah there was definitely some reitman

0:28:50in the air 1981 you got the movie

0:28:51stripes i see so so live and rancis

0:28:55Private Benjamin inspired can you say

0:28:59that private benjamin inspired stripes

0:29:00would with is that is that too risky

0:29:03oicic I think I see we're going there is

0:29:06somebody is some film major gonna say no

0:29:08no see I'm thinking I'm thinking the

0:29:11pivot I'm thinking of is private

0:29:12benjamin seems to me maybe inspired a

0:29:15little bit by something along the lines

0:29:17of analysis doesn't live here anymore

0:29:18you know that's a that's something I'd

0:29:21that's a reference I don't get what

0:29:22happened in our you love to do you love

0:29:24the TV program Alice with linda lavin

0:29:25vic tayback oh is that is that a movie

0:29:28from the TV show or TV show from no no

0:29:30no now uh in in the the early seventies

0:29:34the great Don Martin Scorsese a client

0:29:36Marty had a film called Alice doesn't

0:29:38live here anymore and that's the movie

0:29:40upon which the the TV show is based on

0:29:44with the titular character had to leave

0:29:48a failing marriage and she took her she

0:29:52took her like preteen son and early to

0:29:56rise early to bed in between she cook

0:29:58and clean one out of her head she went

0:29:59to I went to Phoenix well by the time

0:30:01she got to phoenix yeah and then she met

0:30:05mail and flow was a comedy he likes

0:30:10horses you did a lot of comment is a

0:30:12comment out i think also that's the

0:30:14first time I ever heard the mott the

0:30:15hoople song all the way from Memphis i

0:30:17think was the song was either that or

0:30:19maybe not Johnson remember have a good

0:30:20soundtrack Marty's always done good

0:30:22soundtracks yeah true true enough it

0:30:25might have been that one from his his

0:30:27cowboy concept album i'm thinking of I

0:30:30feel like during the during that period

0:30:32i feel like i was pretty traumatized by

0:30:34Kramer vs Kramer cowboy and it was hard

0:30:37for me to watch any kind of divorce like

0:30:40late seventies devotion sure divorce

0:30:43porn here can we open it and that's what

0:30:46it was but they have except goodbye girl

0:30:49was one of the great examples mean

0:30:52goodbye girl if every movie could be

0:30:56like goodbye girl

0:30:57am i right do you feel that way I see

0:31:01now this is my ski shame i don't think

0:31:03i've ever seen that they'll play major

0:31:07ok now are you serious

0:31:09I mean it was really something by the

0:31:11way Ellen Burstyn and Eileen Brennan or

0:31:12different people did you know that which

0:31:15one died in a bike accident unless

0:31:17you're ellen burstyn was doing Alice

0:31:18doesn't live here anymore Eileen Brennan

0:31:20was the one in private benjamin a highly

0:31:23burstyn was a she was a comedian right

0:31:26now you may be thinking Ellen Barkin oh

0:31:29I'm the email and bar who is also not a

0:31:31comedian ellen burstyn and Eileen Barkin

0:31:34and I was the last one uh I are likely

0:31:39Eileen Brennan Brennan Arlene Brennan

0:31:43Eileen Barkin Ellen first DeGeneres yeah

0:31:47I all our different people that's right

0:31:49now Ellen Burstyn was born Edna ray

0:31:51Gillooly which is an awesome name and an

0:31:54irregularly she's born in Detroit she's

0:31:5683 years old now if I were david

0:31:58letterman i would now say Gillooly

0:31:59colori times during the show because i

0:32:01don't have a joke here I just like

0:32:02saying coolio she was in the same time

0:32:04next year that was the diamond ever seen

0:32:06that was down all the guy from mash I

0:32:08don't know everyone knows who Alan all

0:32:09is well that's not true match match went

0:32:12off the air 3 33 years ago

0:32:14boy I want to get back to goodbye girl

0:32:18yeah I don't get to talk about my

0:32:19beverages but but that's ok i really

0:32:21want let's go back let's goodbye girl is

0:32:23referenced by many many people it's one

0:32:26of those things where like I it's weird

0:32:28that i miss that but if I feel like

0:32:29goodbye girl what's the joke what was a

0:32:32seinfeld was there some show where they

0:32:33kept referencing goodbye girl and not

0:32:35wanting the other person to realize it

0:32:36wasn't thousand oh my gosh Ellen Burstyn

0:32:39sufi that's interesting been married

0:32:41three times and I I would never have

0:32:44known that i'm still not able to picture

0:32:46l Eileen burstyn Eileen Eileen DeGeneres

0:32:49ellen burstyn has been married three

0:32:51times

0:32:51she hasn't been married since 1972 the

0:32:54thing is i would be following along here

0:32:56but I can't get the hyper corners on

0:32:59John Hodgman enormous mac computer to

0:33:02activate you still using a mac home

0:33:05oh you're there you're slicing here's

0:33:06the hyper corners

0:33:08ok

0:33:08are using expose John what's that what's

0:33:11going on you know I've noticed that a

0:33:12lot of people use chrome is crime i know

0:33:16thats I that comports with what I was

0:33:18just saying about a lot of people and

0:33:20one of them but uh but I always in I

0:33:22just go to Safari people like Safari it

0:33:25comes on the mac i don't i'm not sure

0:33:27that i like it you know what I don't

0:33:28like any of the map programs anymore are

0:33:31given up huh

0:33:32I used to like Google Maps i even i

0:33:33never liked Apple maps uses a lot of

0:33:35Google Earth Google Earth you can just

0:33:36see you just sit there for hours looking

0:33:37at for us and Czechoslovakia yeah now

0:33:40well I believe me i zoomed in on so many

0:33:43forests in Czechoslovakia looking for

0:33:47specific details on the ground right

0:33:49where was that obelisk or whatever

0:33:52sure hours and hours but now every time

0:33:55I load one of those map programs i'll be

0:33:57standing on the street right and there's

0:33:59like a truck bearing down on me and I'm

0:34:00like which way do I go and I load a map

0:34:03i love google maps and the program has

0:34:07become stupider and stupider overtime so

0:34:09now it can never figure out where I am

0:34:12it can't into it what I'm asking it

0:34:14which is show me a map right

0:34:17it wants to think that I want something

0:34:19that I don't

0:34:20it's got too much like it has just

0:34:23enough agency to not realize that I just

0:34:26want to map but not enough agency to

0:34:29really divine what I'm asking it to do

0:34:32which is generally show me a map very

0:34:36frustrating all right hang on i'm

0:34:37putting in Eileen burst and ellen

0:34:40burstyn also yes it was all the way from

0:34:41Memphis by mott the hoople was the song

0:34:43that I was thinking of from Alice

0:34:45doesn't live here anymore also Jodie

0:34:47Foster was in Alice doesn't live here

0:34:49anymore also Harvey Keitel how did I

0:34:52miss this film I don't know Diane Ladd

0:34:55was in it right now Diane land i can

0:34:56easily confuse her with ellen ellen

0:34:58burstyn and I'm bringing ellen burstyn

0:35:00ellen burstyn right solution lots of

0:35:03things she was she was a Sufi i was

0:35:07watching so the other night I watched

0:35:09the television show girls who the first

0:35:12time I don't know if you've seen this

0:35:13team and I've seen showgirls yeah and I

0:35:16got rights got a UH rilo kiley at the

0:35:18guide Riley

0:35:20the guy the guy thats a that's the the

0:35:23good doctors grandson he's the guy who

0:35:25never has a shirt on

0:35:26that's right that's right that's right

0:35:27right right here who was in that super

0:35:31annoying movie where he was like a he

0:35:33was playing them the fun millennial

0:35:35character that the two middle-aged

0:35:37people wanted to be friends with uh ok

0:35:40it was sort of like a movie based on the

0:35:42idea of girls but seen from the

0:35:44perspective of some middle-aged people

0:35:46that wanted to stay relevant

0:35:48mmm i was pretty hard to watch but uh

0:35:51anyway watching the show you start the

0:35:55beginning

0:35:56no I started in the middle but I and and

0:36:01I don't normally do that but it was just

0:36:02like this is too much to figure out how

0:36:05to watch the show I don't know if I want

0:36:07to watch it figure itself out i'm just

0:36:08gonna start in the middle of season two

0:36:09but a couple of things happened one I

0:36:14liked it quite a bit too i realized that

0:36:18the music was by Michael Penn and the

0:36:20music was spectacular

0:36:23he's pretty good and also a lot of the

0:36:26bit characters that the like moms and

0:36:29dads in the show like the moms and dads

0:36:32of the characters uh other main

0:36:35characters are all played by sitcom

0:36:38stars from the eighties that were like

0:36:43the mom of one of the characters was the

0:36:47was the cute girl from the Newhart show

0:36:49when he moved up to Vermont and have the

0:36:52lodge have a lot of girl that was kinda

0:36:54cute and she's kind of quirky little

0:36:56she's kind of the Diane that show

0:36:58elections that I am and her husband on

0:37:01the Newhart show was the guy from bosom

0:37:06buddies who was all Peter Peter Scolari

0:37:08the guy who wasn't Tom Hanks and peter

0:37:10scolari also appears him girls i love

0:37:15peter scolari but not married to the to

0:37:18the girl from New heart but a different

0:37:20he's a different dad will switch a month

0:37:22we'll switch them up and i'm watching

0:37:24the show and I'm just like oh my

0:37:25goodness like all these all these stars

0:37:29that were like the young beautiful stars

0:37:32honest I'm such as

0:37:33I have to admit I am such a sucker for

0:37:35that oh yeah I mean you know when

0:37:37they're like well that the good the good

0:37:39eighties cameo there's an ad watching

0:37:41episode of Parks and Rec with john

0:37:42larroquette playing a completely

0:37:44unhinged like very insecure man in his

0:37:48like sixties or seventies and it was

0:37:49great you get the play against type it's

0:37:51fun

0:37:52Peter Scolari I'm glad he's out there I

0:37:55always you know this is the confusing

0:37:57thing there's not going to be a lot of

0:37:58people listening this program that I've

0:38:00never seen bosom buddies but bosom

0:38:01buddies was very influential show i had

0:38:04strong feelings about that show

0:38:05yeah I did too and it was like a show

0:38:07that was made for me at that was right

0:38:09in the pocket for me because that was my

0:38:10humor

0:38:11oh that was funny me too and then the

0:38:13premise was that Tom Hanks before he was

0:38:15famous and peter scolari were like

0:38:18Tootsie it's a pre Tootsie show was a

0:38:21pretense II think it was pretty I think

0:38:23influence Tootsie I think when she came

0:38:25out I was like this is just the plot of

0:38:27books on my god i think you're right it

0:38:28came out like two years after after

0:38:31bosom buddies

0:38:32yeah right but somebody's is is kind of

0:38:34private benjamin era writers strike

0:38:37no no you're right it I came out in 1980

0:38:39no sorry sorry sorry i took it back so

0:38:42it wasn't buddies canceled in nineteen

0:38:43eighty-two already cancelled by 1980 to

0:38:46cancel 82 so this show right they were

0:38:49they were trying to live in New York

0:38:50achieves a young maverick guys who want

0:38:53to break into advertising right and

0:38:55there's no way they could afford the the

0:38:58rents of manhattan which seems crazy

0:39:00considering that in nineteen eighty it

0:39:03was not expensive to live in Manhattan

0:39:04not not anywhere near as expensive as it

0:39:06is now anyway so they lived in an

0:39:09all-girl like a YWCA basically like an

0:39:14apartment building for single women and

0:39:17off the hijinks that ensued but what was

0:39:20confusing to me was that at the time

0:39:22watching the show I preferred the peter

0:39:25scolari character

0:39:26yeah he was the 1i like right i mean he

0:39:28was he was the Luke to Tom Hanks is Tom

0:39:31and Tom solo Han Solo a little bit like

0:39:33it was easier to relate to Peter Scolari

0:39:35he was kind of that the site keeps the

0:39:37second banana

0:39:38yeah but Tom Hanks seem kind of gangly

0:39:41and glory was you know like everybody

0:39:44like Starsky

0:39:46nobody wanted to be hutch yeah I know I

0:39:49know I know the same way that everybody

0:39:50wanted to be Luke Duke instead of boat

0:39:53do you think so did you want to be Bo

0:39:55Duke I think I think Bo Duke is is rick

0:40:00from the walking dead but let me get

0:40:02this right

0:40:03Luke Duke is it you know what it doesn't

0:40:04matter you're watching the show yes

0:40:06maybe but I also i often wanted to be

0:40:09the person who was the person I wasn't

0:40:11supposed to want to be I like Luke more

0:40:13than hot in the first movie when I was a

0:40:15little no no that's cool it's cool to

0:40:18say it's cool to say you want to be Han

0:40:19Solo but I was totally a Luke person as

0:40:22can be true he was a he was so whiny

0:40:25well alright yeah and I don't want to

0:40:28i'm not trying okay it's fine fine it's

0:40:30a little on the nose don't want to Luke

0:40:32shame you look at the way they would

0:40:34dress up on that show on buddy

0:40:36so they had they had to as I this is not

0:40:38where we use anymore but they had to

0:40:40dress in what used to be called drag

0:40:41that's right right now it's a drag

0:40:43anymore

0:40:44I'm steering clear the whole thing but

0:40:46they would have to wear makeup and wigs

0:40:47and a lot of humor uh initial humor was

0:40:50derived out of the the sunlight hotness

0:40:54of these two living in this lady's hotel

0:40:56and of course then you got sunny I think

0:40:58her name was this is a decision that we

0:41:01can actually do that anywhere life

0:41:03yeah at the new there stick right she

0:41:05will know that was it wasn't amy-jo

0:41:07sperber that seems like a fake name and

0:41:11totally see maybe throw sperber would be

0:41:13my drag but Tom Hanks his character his

0:41:16name I don't remember was infatuated by

0:41:19by dan Aykroyd wife Donna Dixon right

0:41:23and she met dan Aykroyd during the

0:41:25filming of doctor detroit one of the

0:41:27all-time great mom I'm gonna rip off

0:41:30your head and shit down your neck

0:41:33why do you always have to really

0:41:34inexplicable movies that that and and

0:41:37nothing but trouble to movies that are

0:41:40very hard to understand who dr. Detroit

0:41:42nothing but trouble

0:41:43yeah i was watching what's that movie oh

0:41:46burn after reading burn after reading a

0:41:49movie it's a coen brothers movie

0:41:52oh and you know I was thinking a lot

0:41:54about this like the Coen brothers make

0:41:56some movies that are very serious

0:41:58and they also make some movies that are

0:42:00very funny

0:42:02let me make those movies in between that

0:42:04are neither serious nor funny and those

0:42:07are the ones that really baffle me and

0:42:09burn after reading is in that category

0:42:11interesting like I think the weather was

0:42:13a serious man probably count on that a

0:42:16little bit i know is why i love their

0:42:19movies

0:42:20oh yes normally I do too but this is a

0:42:22movie that that has all-star cast right

0:42:24John Malkovich sure Brad Pitt and George

0:42:29Clooney I feel like maybe what it is is

0:42:31that if George Clooney is a coen

0:42:32brothers movie it isn't the chances are

0:42:35it's not going to be one of the good

0:42:36ones

0:42:37oh really feel like that may be true i

0:42:40mean everybody likes but oh brother

0:42:41where art thou

0:42:42yeah it's it's you know it's it it's a

0:42:46great exercise

0:42:47I'm it's not something i returned to

0:42:49like I would return to the bagel about

0:42:50your size huh

0:42:52it's an exercise right that's exactly

0:42:54right like you know like el césar i

0:42:55meant just to see how Caesar when it

0:42:57gets to where I can launch it

0:42:58I saw it it's got George Clooney verdict

0:43:01what'swhat's out how do you Judy Kate

0:43:03what I'm saying boy let me let me put it

0:43:05this way it picture George Clooney in

0:43:08the big lebowski didn't want him there

0:43:11I don't know I think you do are you

0:43:15saying you don't like the big lebowski i

0:43:17love the big lebowski I just don't want

0:43:18George Clooney there and I think George

0:43:20Clooney was there the big lebowski would

0:43:22be a lesser film and I say that as a

0:43:24George Clooney I like George Clooney I

0:43:26detail big fan I like him I thought he

0:43:28was really good in the one about about

0:43:31the one other the torture one

0:43:37no no the one where he puts jennifer

0:43:39lopez in a trunk know that was good

0:43:42though doesn't get all that was a good

0:43:43movie

0:43:44oh boy the chemistry they have as a good

0:43:47movie you know what I mean no i'm

0:43:48talking about the one about

0:43:53gongshow oh yeah the salmon salmon

0:43:57salmon salmon rockwell sam rockwell you

0:44:00got the seminal events in simulating the

0:44:02big lebowski that's right he's also on

0:44:04parks and rec yeah no he's not on parks

0:44:06and rec yeah he plays the other run

0:44:08people is Ron done to run Swanson's Ron

0:44:10Swanson how come I've never seen a

0:44:12picture of him in that I'll see what I

0:44:14see pictures of Ron Swanson all the time

0:44:17oh he is awfully awfully good in that he

0:44:19starts out seem like he's gonna be

0:44:20exactly like Ron Swanson and it turns

0:44:21out he's like a hippie guy who wear

0:44:22sandals and he's really really good

0:44:25mustache or no mustache mustache

0:44:27yeah i'll find a picture for you it's

0:44:29must have cast casting is what that is

0:44:31oh yeah stash casting he's a handsome

0:44:34guy you look at some pictures that guy

0:44:35when he was younger I mean still look

0:44:36very handsome guy its conservative he

0:44:39seems like you'd be very conservative i

0:44:40think that maybe he's not I'm you know

0:44:43Tom Selleck gave a bad name to signature

0:44:46mustaches just because you have a large

0:44:48aperture for your mustache does not mean

0:44:50you have to be a conservative that's all

0:44:52the fighting I don't know I don't know

0:44:54about Sam Elliott I feel like I feel

0:44:56like he he's cowboy handsome in a way

0:45:01there how my god i wanted to be cowboy

0:45:03handsome so badly on that that's a type

0:45:06and I I don't think you really don't get

0:45:08to pick that out like that'sthat's ee

0:45:10have it or you don't

0:45:11well kris kristofferson cowboy hands

0:45:14chris Christie I'll absolutely cowboy

0:45:16handsome right and kris kristofferson

0:45:17not a cowboy

0:45:19he was an Air Force like a officer he

0:45:23was an officer in the US air force in

0:45:25this kidding me

0:45:26no Kris Kristofferson Christmas driving

0:45:30the he's lived one of those George

0:45:31Plimpton lives yeah I that makes sense

0:45:33and and then became like a songwriter

0:45:37songwriter before he was well known as a

0:45:39performer

0:45:40uh that's right and then and I you know

0:45:43him he dated Janis Joplin he lived in

0:45:45the he lived in the Chelsea Hotel you

0:45:48know all these things and but yeah

0:45:53there's something you know now that he

0:45:55was in that Waylon Jennings Willie

0:45:57Nelson Johnny Cash band he was a

0:46:01military brat right and down here

0:46:04i anoint his Wikipedia page he was a

0:46:07Rhodes Scholar are you kidding me

0:46:09the road Scholar you went to Oxford and

0:46:13then cowboy hats on and a Rhodes Scholar

0:46:15can imagine that master's degree in

0:46:17english in 1960 Wow 33 everything right

0:46:24now I always think of nineteen sixty as

0:46:26a year that is sort of pre all culture

0:46:31it's kind of one of those years like

0:46:321997 that exists out of time it's it's

0:46:35neither fish nor fowl yeah right i mean

0:46:37I all of the cars from 19 from the

0:46:39fifties all have wings and our and look

0:46:42like pregnant purposes and then in

0:46:45nineteen sixty we started to get the

0:46:46flat cars the square cars the cars that

0:46:50drive themselves they not the shifter

0:46:52cars and but they but the 1960 cars for

0:46:57the most part were not the good square

0:46:59cars right they were the they were the

0:47:01of the test case

0:47:03ok but and also pre I mean it's post

0:47:07rock and roll but all the rock and roll

0:47:09up to them was pompadour rock and then

0:47:13after you know 62 then it became a bowl

0:47:19haircut rock right and so here he is

0:47:21already has a master's degree and it's

0:47:25pre its pre bowl haircut rock you got a

0:47:29lot of jazz is still around

0:47:31Elvis is still hanging on you got a lot

0:47:34of like a lot of jazz you got Ricky

0:47:35Nelson you got Frank Sinatra Kingston

0:47:38Trio you got the folk stuff happening

0:47:40and i think the girl group stuff hadn't

0:47:43all right around starting yeah but I

0:47:46mean like one day one of the Ronettes

0:47:49like ones that don't think but I mean

0:47:53was doing and sixties he still takes 15

0:47:56hours a day in Minnesota but so anyway

0:47:58then crystal person joins the army

0:48:00becomes a captain diet that is a big

0:48:04that's up that's a big rank yes it

0:48:07certainly is and became a helicopter

0:48:09pilot and then in nineteen sixty-five he

0:48:14went and taught English Literature at

0:48:16West

0:48:17point or was you know was a well almost

0:48:21did and then decided to leave the army

0:48:23to pursue songwriting in 65 his family

0:48:28disowned him because of this decision

0:48:31and they never reconciled with him

0:48:33oh no that's terrible to hear that isn't

0:48:36that incredible like he he left the army

0:48:38and 65 moved to Nashville and when you

0:48:40think about Christmas rocks and you

0:48:42think about him in the seventies you

0:48:44know with the like by then he's an actor

0:48:47i think i'm going to get that noise you

0:48:49make it's the only thing Kris

0:48:51Kristofferson I think I'm yeah right

0:48:54right because of that movie with Barbra

0:48:57Streisand

0:48:58mhm no I think that's Nick that's Nick

0:49:01Fury was that caused no Nikki and the

0:49:03government who is ours down and out in

0:49:05beverly hills right worries he eats the

0:49:07eats the the salmon that he finds its

0:49:10transcript that well but so anyway I

0:49:15christmas star person's life has always

0:49:18astonished me so much that I can't I

0:49:22can't even really like the only thing

0:49:25missing is that a certain point it is a

0:49:27government asset for like a retired

0:49:29director of the CIA can if anybody was

0:49:32gonna be that it was him i guess i'm

0:49:36glad i learned that that's kind of

0:49:37that's another one of another thing to

0:49:39be depressed about one thing about this

0:49:41willie nelson was born in 1933 what is

0:49:45Willie Nelson look like now he looks

0:49:46like like a dried apple I think he looks

0:49:51he looks like a vacation bible school

0:49:52clock-watching yeah he looks like

0:49:55he'slooking my pal together with with

0:49:57the popsicle sticks but he looked like

0:50:00that since like 1968

0:50:02well that's what I'm saying Kris

0:50:03Kristofferson is only three years

0:50:04younger than Willie Nelson's born in

0:50:061936 his mom's age that's insane but any

0:50:10still just looks as you know he still is

0:50:12cowboy handsome as ever

0:50:14cowboy handsome i wanted to be cowboy

0:50:17handsome how you me both buddy I used to

0:50:19sit I used to imagine this is one of

0:50:22those weird things I I never actually

0:50:24pursued being a bush pilot like I never

0:50:29after I got my pie

0:50:30its license as a kid I never did

0:50:34anything else to be a bush pilot

0:50:39uh-huh but I continue to fantasize about

0:50:43being a bush pilot for several years

0:50:46after like I when I pictured myself as a

0:50:48grownup one of the ways I imagine myself

0:50:51was as a bush pilot and i'm not sure i'm

0:50:55not sure why right I

0:50:57I that was a that was a job that was

0:51:00accessible to me I could have become a

0:51:02bush pilot and what and what I would

0:51:06have done was during high school or or

0:51:09the summer after high school would have

0:51:10gone down to the airport and got a job

0:51:12pumping gas for the airplanes and you

0:51:18know immersed myself in that life I knew

0:51:20a lot of bush pilots I couldn't been a

0:51:22bush but i didn't i didn't do anything

0:51:25like that but to be a bush pilot seem to

0:51:28me to be the gateway to a kind of cowboy

0:51:31handsome who right where you kind of

0:51:34hear clothes were always a little bit

0:51:37stainle how are you how are you not

0:51:39going to find adventure if your push

0:51:40politics that's exactly you're the guy

0:51:42who drives indie away while the shooting

0:51:45arrows right you're you got one of those

0:51:46little water planes maybe or you know I

0:51:48don't know which is a bush pilot but

0:51:49that's that's that that's a ticket to

0:51:51adventure that's the guy a bush pilot is

0:51:53one of the Alaskan bush pilot is one of

0:51:55the jobs one of the very few jobs

0:51:58we're carrying a pistol and a shoulder

0:52:01holster does not seem crazy right like

0:52:05how right sure mean how many jobs like

0:52:09theirs theirs to be a marvel comics

0:52:11artist right let's head Brubaker we see

0:52:15the guy carry pistol

0:52:16well ed brubaker claims i don't know

0:52:18what he claims

0:52:19maybe maybe he claims that he never did

0:52:21or maybe he claims that I that at one

0:52:24point I told that story and EDD

0:52:25contacted me and he said I never wore a

0:52:27vest because I said he was wearing a gun

0:52:31in a shoulder holster under a vest

0:52:32yeah and he runs that i never wore a

0:52:34vest well that's not denying the gun

0:52:36that's that is that's a non-denial

0:52:37denials just denying the best right

0:52:39who but how many jobs you know if you're

0:52:42a double O you can carry a gun in a

0:52:44shoulder holster if you're you like

0:52:46James Bond

0:52:47yeah but she said like it rhymes with

0:52:48Douglas I mean really happy with your

0:52:50doubled over double and I think your

0:52:53general you can carry for four loko in a

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0:54:52but uh mango i know well yeah sure it's

0:54:56bigger now

0:54:56sure I was figure then but it's only

0:54:59because the good four lokos are aren't

0:55:01made anymore

0:55:02uh our brood but like but you know if

0:55:06you're if you're a gritty San Francisco

0:55:08detective you can carry a gun in a

0:55:10shoulder holster and then what else like

0:55:13a crocodile hunter yeah but if you're if

0:55:16you're a bush pilot and i say this

0:55:18because I've known a handful of bush

0:55:20pilots the do carry guns in a shoulder

0:55:22holster it's not required i know a lot

0:55:25of Bush parts that don't but if you if

0:55:28you show up somewhere and you get out of

0:55:30your plan you got a gun in the shoulder

0:55:31rolls because you don't know if a bear's

0:55:34gonna come out of the woods if the

0:55:37structure that kind of a holster it that

0:55:39sounds like that's a person who could be

0:55:40very reasonable reasonable and reason

0:55:42with that's a business person right now

0:55:44I mean vs like somebody you know who's

0:55:47got a big gun there felt as real show

0:55:48you about it

0:55:49that's right and shoulder holster me

0:55:51that's what that's how my dad was

0:55:52carrying that gun when he shot the 20

0:55:54out of the sky he just he just open the

0:55:56window on this plane just shot out of

0:55:57the sky and so that's kind of a bush

0:55:59pilot move right you don't want a gun on

0:56:00your hip you want to be able to get it

0:56:03and still be controlling your everything

0:56:05can be coming up their seatbelt you go

0:56:06pills that's what you know about the go

0:56:10pills I know potential anyway anyway so

0:56:12I being a bush pilot and i'm not sure

0:56:15how much it still may be ways on me that

0:56:18I didn't become a push pop could happen

0:56:21that could still happen there was only

0:56:23just got you just gotta focus focus your

0:56:25assets in your resources you gotta say

0:56:26no to more things

0:56:28yes i know i can I got a good i gotta go

0:56:29to bush pilot class time but this is

0:56:31that this is the thing about so many of

0:56:33those job paths where the decision to be

0:56:36a bush pilot is somewhat predicated on

0:56:40you not realizing yet how many different

0:56:43ways there are to die at a young man's

0:56:46game right

0:56:47yeah once you get in it sure then you

0:56:50know then you by the time you get to be

0:56:51my age you've got your the near the old

0:56:53you the old guard but it's not a thing

0:56:57at your mid-forties to say like oh I'm

0:57:00gonna now I'm gonna go you know get the

0:57:03riskiest job you can have

0:57:04mhm with your property it seems to me

0:57:07you could become a freelance like a

0:57:09helicopter adventurer be pretty easy for

0:57:11you to have a small helicopter that like

0:57:12a little mini bell i'm gonna guess

0:57:14that's the thing that you can have that

0:57:16you can just have adventures he could he

0:57:18could be like you could be like a costly

0:57:20uber involving helicopters weekend

0:57:22admissions you could definitely carry a

0:57:24gun i think if you had a helicopter I

0:57:25like like a like CJ TJ favor for CJ and

0:57:29the bear

0:57:30they said that the guy on the magnum

0:57:31right yeah yeah CJ and the bear i see

0:57:35but I think you have to learn i think

0:57:37you can carry a gun additional girls for

0:57:39the view our helicopter adventurist but

0:57:41I think you have to learn to fly the

0:57:43helicopter the army I think that's just

0:57:44the only way that's the bats is where

0:57:47you learn to fly out

0:57:48I you know I understand where you're

0:57:51coming from but I think you're being

0:57:53awfully negative about all these things

0:57:55i think you just need to pick one you

0:57:57can be happy to be cowboy handsome in no

0:57:59time

0:57:59what about what about war zone reporter

0:58:02did you see that movie uh WTF started

0:58:06know the girl from from oh you know that

0:58:10that animal I think she should make as

0:58:12many movies i think she's really TV is

0:58:14for medium I like her so much on TV and

0:58:17movies don't do that much for me and

0:58:19this movie has a that problem that

0:58:22additional problem like is this the

0:58:23comedy and in there are some people

0:58:26getting blown up and killed in this

0:58:27movie and that's not fun me but there's

0:58:31also some lost some hot lols in there

0:58:33it's like I'm not sure how much I want

0:58:36my lols leavened with suicide bombing em

0:58:40but I didn't mind the film but it did it

0:58:42also like real it that fuse and I was

0:58:46like why didn't you go to the war zone

0:58:47become a war zone reporter you know in

0:58:50the same way that you can get away with

0:58:53a shoulder holster for being a bush

0:58:55pilot i thinkI you definitely people

0:58:58going to give you a pass on epaulettes

0:59:00when you're open war zone reporter right

0:59:03or a jacket that has a belt check

0:59:05haha jacket with the belt with some

0:59:07pockets in it but like you think you

0:59:09take a Christian Amanpour i mean that's

0:59:11that's a strong look you get you get a

0:59:13belted jacket with epilepsy with you

0:59:15look terrific in that

0:59:17I think that there's a kind of

0:59:18sunglasses that you can only wear if

0:59:22you're a war reporter and I often wear

0:59:24so the sunglasses i'm wearing right now

0:59:26because I often wear sunglasses to

0:59:29record our podcast you remove your eyes

0:59:33right you put on the back your neck or

0:59:34anything like that who know people in

0:59:37our neighborhood own sunglasses but they

0:59:39don't actually ever have them over their

0:59:40eyes they're either on their forehead on

0:59:42around the front of their neck on a

0:59:44croaky or on the back of their necks

0:59:46like they have vision problems with the

0:59:47back of the neck

0:59:48I feel like if you have the if you have

0:59:50the glasses on the back of your neck you

0:59:52had better be a bass fisherman em or

0:59:56selling rv's right now I like Todd

0:59:56selling rv's right now I like Todd

1:00:00Todd that's not a look that I think is

1:00:02good at all the sunglasses on the back

1:00:04of the neck that's a that's a dishrag

1:00:07for me

1:00:08yeah that's like but up but no I wear

1:00:10them on my eyes but I I now that I'm

1:00:13realizing it like I'm wearing a pair of

1:00:15rayban aviators and they actually are

1:00:20bush pilot glasses / war reporter

1:00:24glasses okay well people say don't dress

1:00:27for the job that you have dress for the

1:00:29job that you want it seems to me you're

1:00:31already wearing the sunglasses of the

1:00:32man with a different career

1:00:34yeah i'm wondering if that I'm wondering

1:00:36if it's not aspirational if i put if I

1:00:39don't put these sunglasses on and think

1:00:40maybe I'm gonna get swept up on some

1:00:45kind of situation where I'm landing in a

1:00:46I'm learning to have one beaver

1:00:48somewhere under fire

1:00:52yeah right i combine the two combined

1:00:54the two bush pilot / war reporter god so

1:01:02much better than my current job among

1:01:04the wikipedia page for people who are

1:01:07born in 1936 I and it's but there's a

1:01:10lot of cowboy handsome on this page

1:01:12yeah the Pope Francis you got David

1:01:15Carradine he's very cowboy hats right

1:01:18yet Robert Redford Super K defines

1:01:21cowboy hands kris kristofferson

1:01:23everybody was born in 36 room hmm

1:01:27Bruce Dern dennis hopper come on the

1:01:30question yeah lets you know that you

1:01:32have is a little bit of right to get

1:01:33Sepp Blatter that soccer guy you got to

1:01:35fw de klerk from South Africa get Ursula

1:01:37Andress you've got Roy Orbison love

1:01:41wearing glasses but her slanderous uh

1:01:43also very couple handsome but don't you

1:01:46think of roy orbison as being a lot

1:01:49older than say Robert Redford or John

1:01:53McCain or silvio berlusconi or jim

1:01:55henson yes

1:01:56Berlusconi 1936 the great actor Brian

1:02:00Blessid Vaclav Havel Vaclav Havel sake

1:02:03la ville you know Berlusconi fools you

1:02:06because his hair is so black still uh

1:02:08huh and it seems implausible when you

1:02:11think about it that he's almost 80

1:02:13his old lady's hair would be sooo black

1:02:17ya think if i had to eyeball I know so

1:02:19parentals easy cowboy handsome he was so

1:02:25cowboy handsome i really and you know

1:02:27he's got a big area

1:02:29he's got a big mustache area has a big

1:02:30area I is I really really want to know

1:02:34what Burt Reynolds looks like without

1:02:36his rub me just doesn't do I bet he

1:02:40could look really good

1:02:42yeah if you just if you just capitulate

1:02:45to what your head is shaped like and

1:02:47what your hair area should be and how

1:02:50you how you accommodate that you use

1:02:52there's a lot you can do today there's

1:02:53so much that's acceptable the art of the

1:02:55times have changed

1:02:56well it's like it's like you know God

1:02:59gives you the beard you deserve heels

1:03:01yet you the hair you deserve right if

1:03:04you have trouble is a lot of men

1:03:05actually do believe that that he gives

1:03:08you the hair that you deserve huh

1:03:10and so they feel like it's like the

1:03:11world sees the military have some kind

1:03:12of a medieval affliction like their sins

1:03:14are born upon their paint what about the

1:03:18guy who's in the news on the TV show

1:03:20capital hijinks death of the president

1:03:29oh sure that you got that's a yeah my

1:03:31wife does have a crush on him Kevin

1:03:33Spacey known not kevin spacey the the

1:03:36guy that plays the young congressman in

1:03:38that show

1:03:39oh that guy the guy who wants no

1:03:42spoilers but that guy

1:03:43yeah yeah that guy he's great and what

1:03:46else has he been always the bad guy and

1:03:48ant-man and he was in girls

1:03:50he appeared in girls and 10 i like that

1:03:52actor I like him a lot he's he's like an

1:03:55old-school like bad guy he's good

1:03:57yeah and he's proudly bald he's bald

1:03:59he's like he's like Gordon he's a

1:04:00good-looking guy with no hair see

1:04:02Corey's another one please I mean he

1:04:04looks he or she looks good

1:04:07yeah he looks at you like a look at

1:04:08pictures of people when they're still

1:04:10trying to let go with the like I still

1:04:11have hair thing and like oh my god you

1:04:13look so much better now

1:04:14no have you ever thought about just

1:04:16taking a razor to your head and giving

1:04:18yourself a male pattern baldness and

1:04:20seeing how it is

1:04:21yeah for a long time i used to think

1:04:22you'll be kind of a fun thing if you

1:04:24could get a hundred and fifty people and

1:04:26Brooklyn to do that and make it like a

1:04:27hip thing like it back started doing it

1:04:29it would kind of be fun if you can

1:04:30convince people that the faking male

1:04:32pattern baldness was the thing I always

1:04:33thought that'd be kind of a fun thing or

1:04:34two do like to do like a monk like a

1:04:37tonsure I like a torture i don't see

1:04:42that pattern of male pattern baldness I

1:04:44feel like you see more receiving

1:04:45happened when I was a kid all men over

1:04:47the age of 35

1:04:48looks like my grandfather actually only

1:04:50had amongst the amongst tonsure shorter

1:04:52in front sure but they always had the

1:04:54big part in the back you don't think you

1:04:55see that anymore is that technology John

1:04:57how do men not have the the spot on the

1:04:59back of their head anymore

1:05:00well now everybody did your dad have

1:05:02that your dad a pretty good here right

1:05:04no my dad's hair went away on the top

1:05:06okay um I think what it is is that in

1:05:09the intervening 20 years now men with

1:05:11that are bald can shave their heads and

1:05:13they look amazing

1:05:14yep but when we were kids that it wasn't

1:05:17an option shave your head and so you

1:05:19just had to go out there and it wasn't

1:05:21even an option really to cut it short

1:05:23unless you were in the Army remembered

1:05:27remember the the actor from from Simon

1:05:32and Simon who was in the movie about

1:05:34being a bad dad to his kids mega the

1:05:37seventies wasn't Robert Duvall negative

1:05:41American Beauty know the this is from

1:05:44the seventies where he was a military

1:05:45dad and he was abusive to his kids

1:05:48it was called like

1:05:51american dad is Iron Eagle dad pray that

1:05:55it was yeah it was what was that actor's

1:05:57name it's a George McClellan and oh you

1:06:00think it's terrible rainy Gerald McRaney

1:06:03from from major dad

1:06:04yea general maybe thinking major dad mr.

1:06:06mcrainey was in Simon assignment and I

1:06:09think he was also the titular major dad

1:06:11no I you know what I'm thinking of

1:06:13robert duvall oh you're thinking the

1:06:15great santini the great Sam teammates

1:06:17and seen you right so the x times not a

1:06:19wartime constantly airy the grid the

1:06:22Great Santini love this moment upon the

1:06:25morning

1:06:25that's right and remarks you two cards

1:06:27on the bodies like the surf though you

1:06:30only through cards on the bodies in in

1:06:32red gia he did not throw cards on the

1:06:35bodies in the in the original film i

1:06:38literally in red you it wasn't only in

1:06:40rydia like that's not the one I really

1:06:42think of that's so interesting

1:06:43yeah I can't imagine I can't believe

1:06:45that you think that Ridge year is the

1:06:47canonical oh you mean like easier

1:06:50Stanley about the the French colony the

1:06:53French colony doesn't belong i don't

1:06:54think that all the extended scenes with

1:06:56the with the bunnies belong now I know

1:06:58ya know I I'm married to that I think if

1:07:02i were to go back inside and diagnosis I

1:07:03think Robert Altman in Apocalypse Now

1:07:05had a pretty bad case of ADHD if you go

1:07:08back and watch that today I'm saying as

1:07:10a sufferer I go back and I watched that

1:07:11movie and all I see is a guy who has

1:07:13trouble focusing

1:07:14uh Altman you're saying the director

1:07:16wants a ramen apocalypse now I'll Robert

1:07:20yeah the guy did Nashville yeah right

1:07:22here's what our team he played he played

1:07:24the the general you playing the general

1:07:27in Apocalypse Now huh

1:07:29so if you look at Robert Duvall property

1:07:32formerly Great Santini yeah in 1979 he

1:07:36was a balding guy that had his hair cut

1:07:38real short and and that was the one look

1:07:44you could have

1:07:45oh yeah look at that they call it a high

1:07:47and tight we can't I you know what he

1:07:50looks so different look out look how he

1:07:52looks all those by Pat Conroy look at

1:07:55that

1:07:55okay yeah great santini yeah yeah yeah

1:08:01but otherwise you had to you have to

1:08:04just wear your hair anyway right here

1:08:08however it came out it just had to float

1:08:10and had to float around everybody in the

1:08:13seventies it was weird because youyou

1:08:15kind of even like dad grew his hair out

1:08:17a little bit like everybody had to get

1:08:18longer hair and sharper collars but like

1:08:20so many men and even rock bands go back

1:08:23and look at like the zombies like half

1:08:25of the zombies are obviously totally

1:08:26going bald even like 1968 but you look

1:08:29at all these guys are always had the

1:08:31city here everybody look like look like

1:08:33Fredo and dog day afternoon

1:08:35you got long hair but then you got this

1:08:37whole thing we're sweeping over he

1:08:39almost looks like he's a member of the

1:08:41monks the the house on the rock

1:08:43yeah yeah and never understood how you

1:08:46could have that how that movie could be

1:08:48called was a cold wait until spring

1:08:50Santini which one is that is that Robert

1:08:53Altman think that was the one that came

1:08:55later alright see you next Tuesday see

1:08:59you next i literally I literally got

1:09:05that joke last year I've been seeing

1:09:07john landis movies for years the

1:09:09constantly reference a fictional film

1:09:11called see you next Tuesday and I

1:09:13finally only got the job i only got that

1:09:16joke like last year that you know that

1:09:18kind of long con or shaggy dog story

1:09:21yeah that makes me that type of stuff

1:09:24makes me really happy wouldn't you like

1:09:26to be somebody that had been running

1:09:28some sort of long gag

1:09:31oh yeah four years right ascensions

1:09:34hiding in plain sight the whole time

1:09:36that's right something I've always

1:09:38wished that I had had the foresight to

1:09:42lay something in wait decades ago that

1:09:48was still laying in wait for some you

1:09:51know some some Manchurian Candidate

1:09:55style gag right that comes out that

1:09:58something i don't know what it would be

1:09:59a so I mean like crazy example would be

1:10:02like a like a medieval monk doing a

1:10:05cross stick where nobody would think to

1:10:07look for a cross stick in a medieval

1:10:08texts and then later on you go oh you

1:10:11know it actually says you know go

1:10:13chicago bears or what yeah

1:10:14right it's the plot of some tom hanks

1:10:16movie where he's in a pyramid sure and

1:10:19he's got he's Nicolas Cage has to get

1:10:21the Declaration of Independence signed

1:10:23he finds the blue glasses and then he

1:10:25looks up against anything able to solve

1:10:27the rubik's cube butt but like so years

1:10:31and years ago when I was still in high

1:10:34school it was still possible to get a

1:10:37fake ID by the following process are two

1:10:41processes that I understand as i

1:10:42understood them and maybe I learned this

1:10:44in the anarchist cookbook and maybe this

1:10:46was just conventional wisdom on the

1:10:47streets

1:10:49one of them was you would go to a

1:10:52graveyard and find a gravestone of a

1:10:54child that had died in the year you want

1:10:57to do fake ya never know a kid that was

1:11:00born in the year you wanted to be born

1:11:02in but then died at two years old

1:11:04mhm and then you would go to the public

1:11:07records and get their birth certificate

1:11:10you're kidding me that had no reference

1:11:11of their death and then get an adult ID

1:11:16based on their birth certificate and

1:11:19from that you could then get a Social

1:11:22Security number and actually build an

1:11:23entire actual identity people would do

1:11:27this in order to buy beer

1:11:29well initially right you buy beer but

1:11:31then if you have successfully done this

1:11:33in a mortgage it can be a second ID

1:11:36right i mean you have this have a

1:11:38passport you assume this identity that

1:11:40is attractive I got to be honest with

1:11:42you and you could do it you can do it

1:11:44even mean you could do it even that 40

1:11:46years old all you have to do is go find

1:11:48somebody that was born the year you were

1:11:49born and then died at a very young age

1:11:51and you can just assume their identity

1:11:53and disappear this was a this was

1:11:55supposedly a method and it seemed just

1:12:01too complicated and risky to do just in

1:12:05order to buy beer but the but the

1:12:08setting that is a boil the ocean beer

1:12:10buying model right but it seems it

1:12:12seemed even at the time like do this now

1:12:17and spend these many years building that

1:12:21identity and then when you need it you

1:12:23never use it right it's there but you do

1:12:26all the stuff right you get a bank

1:12:27account

1:12:28you know social security number and

1:12:29passport you make payments you get a

1:12:32credit card you you maintain that but

1:12:34you never utilize it but it's there when

1:12:37you need

1:12:37it's like your own private sleeper cell

1:12:39it's just it's your little it's just a

1:12:41doorway to another world that you could

1:12:43add you could decide on any day to just

1:12:46call and the only risk of it there's no

1:12:49really no risk of it because the parents

1:12:52of this kid aren't you know it's not

1:12:56it's not like a birth certificate has a

1:12:57unless your review is remember all of

1:12:59that right

1:13:01the other way to do it this this again

1:13:04suppose it was there were many instances

1:13:07where a birth certificate wasn't

1:13:09available the court house had burned

1:13:10down something something something and

1:13:13you could get a baptismal certificate

1:13:15who from it from a from a priest where

1:13:20you were baptized and the your date of

1:13:22birth was on the baptismal certificate

1:13:24and in certain jurisdictions that was

1:13:27considered as good as a birth

1:13:29certificate because who do you trust

1:13:31interesting that that more than the

1:13:34church and so in high school I actually

1:13:37got ahold of a baptismal certificate and

1:13:42I went to great lengths to forge it

1:13:44where I wrote the information in what I

1:13:49at the time thought was old-timey

1:13:50writing sixties write it i think i might

1:13:55even spilled some coffee on it and maybe

1:13:58touch the edges of the day with the

1:14:00light with a little the match just kind

1:14:02of you know you look you're making

1:14:05pirate the pirate map that's exactly

1:14:08right and i have this thing which I felt

1:14:11pretty confident about it looked pretty

1:14:14good and I kept in the bottom of my sock

1:14:20drawer and it was like this this loaded

1:14:25pistol of possibility

1:14:29this is your this is your Jason Bourne

1:14:31box yeah and-and-and I was 16 I had this

1:14:35thing I had no independent confirmation

1:14:38that this would work

1:14:39but i was i was building up the the the

1:14:45cojones the hood spa to walk him to the

1:14:50DMV lay this thing down and say my first

1:14:55degree was lost in a fire and this is

1:14:58all I have and see like roll the dice

1:15:02yeah I and I figured it was a pretty big

1:15:04roll of the dice because if it if this

1:15:06is if this wasn't gonna work there was

1:15:10fifty percent chance that the person

1:15:11would just say now we don't accept that

1:15:13as an ID and chase you out there is also

1:15:17a fifty percent chance that they would

1:15:18say why don't you come over here and sit

1:15:20in this room for a minute honey yeah let

1:15:21me go on calling my manager mr. white

1:15:24yeah and then all of a sudden you know

1:15:25there are three detectives there so I'm

1:15:28what's all this thing

1:15:29yeah so I never did it I never did it

1:15:32and and then pretty soon after that it

1:15:39no longer was an option right there it

1:15:42became like now I don't think you would

1:15:45be able to go in with a birth

1:15:47certificate and establish an identity

1:15:48that had never existed before then all

1:15:51of a sudden a 40-year old person gets

1:15:54his first social security number right

1:15:57that's you can't just you can't invent

1:16:00also i mean there's all kinds of things

1:16:01like obviously there's all you know what

1:16:03computer systems and cross-matching to

1:16:04how that works that that's one thing but

1:16:07also I think they probably used to be

1:16:08more fires and floods i think there are

1:16:09times when like there's a whole bunch of

1:16:11documents that went back to the 1700 and

1:16:13they got lost because there's a fire or

1:16:14flood a firefly there's a fire flood was

1:16:17not unusual Plus also more kids died

1:16:19there's all kinds of things that will

1:16:20create an environment where you could

1:16:21buy beer without with a scheme like this

1:16:23yeah well well and also like not just

1:16:26buy beer but like you get a mortgage

1:16:29think about all of the cars that i

1:16:32bought and then broke down and I left

1:16:35parked on the side of the road yeah yeah

1:16:37places to go and never saw them again

1:16:39right and in every case the reason that

1:16:42i was able to do that is I never

1:16:44switched the registration over to my

1:16:45name which is why when you sell a car to

1:16:49somebody immediately go and

1:16:52just stir that you have sold it to think

1:16:54you're doing a talking schools uh well I

1:16:57is this all the time

1:16:58listen this is a thing that everybody

1:17:00should know because multiple times i

1:17:02bought a car for five hundred dollars

1:17:03for somebody and I drove it until it

1:17:04broke down and I parked in a parking

1:17:06meter on Saturday night and they get a

1:17:08call out a week later and here they get

1:17:09a call and they're like you know your

1:17:11car was towed us seven hundred fifty

1:17:13dollars rodri like what I sold that

1:17:15thing to Sinai but if you you know if

1:17:20you had a fake ID where you can actually

1:17:22like register you can it could be your

1:17:24like parking ticket ID or your yeah

1:17:28you're like you're well if you're well

1:17:30sure ID not to not to snow nothing

1:17:33against the Welsh now that's that's such

1:17:35a good idea to it i miss my chance and

1:17:38that's the kind of like so the seeds

1:17:40when you're young of a gag of a bit of a

1:17:44about of a like a hidey-hole mhm where

1:17:49you know where uh where one day Amelie

1:17:53is going to drop some marble and it's

1:17:55going to knock a piece of tile out of

1:17:57the bathroom wall and there's your

1:18:00little box full of toys you know what

1:18:03I'm saying I i think i do but now it's

1:18:05too late for us

1:18:06you can't be a bush pilot it's gonna be

1:18:08it's gonna be hard to be cowboy handsome

1:18:10and almost probably never going to

1:18:11discover our box at this point i might I

1:18:14still hold out hope that normally will

1:18:16discover my box but I am I haven't I

1:18:18also feel like maybe I am becoming Kabul

1:18:20handsome huh

1:18:22there was a when I was in high school

1:18:25there was a guy that had dimples right

1:18:29magnum p.i scale dimples because magnum

1:18:33didn't just have a big mustache area he

1:18:35had a whole lot going on

1:18:37killer dimples and I had a buddy who had

1:18:39these dimples and the and it was

1:18:42incredible to watch the dimples cast

1:18:45spells on people

1:18:47it was there was nothing else I mean it

1:18:48wasn't like well he had really good hair

1:18:50too but that was the dimples that we're

1:18:52doing the work and I didn't have dimples

1:18:55because my face was just made out of

1:18:57putty writer it was made out of what was

1:19:00it made of raw chicken you are you are

1:19:02basically a canvas for a beard just

1:19:04waiting for a beer to come along

1:19:05weird campus i was a I was added I had a

1:19:07beard Shape face that was made out of

1:19:09raw chicken and and certain parts of my

1:19:12complexion were on cook scallop roll

1:19:14checking on cook sea scallop over there

1:19:16but now I'm starting to develop dimples

1:19:21I'm not sure whether they're fencing

1:19:23scars or whether he should probably get

1:19:26that look you know whether it's cancer

1:19:28whether I'm just falling apart and one

1:19:30side effects as Devils and you have the

1:19:32cutest cancer you have the you know the

1:19:34count is your scallops got face cancer

1:19:37but now you're so much cuter

1:19:38it's causing the inside of your cheek to

1:19:40adhere to your jaw but it was cute so I

1:19:43feel like there's a little bit of

1:19:44scarring and weathering that's happening

1:19:46to me that almost looks like cowboy got

1:19:49my answer

1:19:50I think might it might still be doubly

1:19:53cute amateur cowboy cutest is what I

1:19:57want cowboy cute cowboy cute

1:20:00sounds like somebody who dies near the

1:20:01end of the second act yeah that's James

1:20:04Dean James Davis cowboy q no Cheryl

1:20:06access a mini el sal mineo who cowboy do

1:20:10i always think of so many always be one

1:20:12of the guys standing behind a the guy

1:20:16that was the dad of the girl that won

1:20:19the oscar in the Woody Allen movie

1:20:20sorvino paul sorvino hall sorvino right

1:20:25and his daughter

1:20:27mira sorvino mira sorvino he's very

1:20:29protective of her yeah she won an oscar

1:20:31in the Woody Allen movie

1:20:33uh-huh right playing the that was back

1:20:37in the area where if you were an actress

1:20:39and wanted to win an Oscar and were

1:20:40young you had to play a prostitute

1:20:42especially in Woody Allen movie yeah

1:20:44right

1:20:45but Paul Sorvino was always in the

1:20:48foreground of the scene where I always

1:20:51imagined sound Mineo was one of the guys

1:20:53in the background

1:20:54ok Sal Mineo was a different kind of

1:20:56actor right oh yeah yeah some or

1:20:58something he was well I think I think he

1:21:00had I i get problems I think he's like

1:21:03he's like ourselves from our gang I

1:21:05think he ran into problems

1:21:06he's very cute he you know what he looks

1:21:08like the guy he looks like that guy in

1:21:11the band who had a very conspicuous

1:21:14British drug problem and he dated Kate

1:21:16Moss la Bamba

1:21:17oh no Mama couple of all Obama know that

1:21:21the guy that was in the band where he

1:21:23and his bandmate had matching tattoos of

1:21:25the band name right and there's that

1:21:28cover of that record album where they're

1:21:29both showing their tattoos of their own

1:21:31band see there Nelson or oasis

1:21:34it's the type of thing that always this

1:21:35is a good guess it's the type of thing

1:21:37that you could only get away with your

1:21:39British rock musician now you have

1:21:42matching tattoos

1:21:43I mean maybe if your guns and roses you

1:21:46can have guns and roses tattoo you might

1:21:47not even remember you got it right you

1:21:50might have forgotten maybe that's your

1:21:51omnibox you wake up one day you realize

1:21:53you're definitely taken your ear you're

1:21:55investing in things you remember you got

1:21:57a tattoo

1:21:57well I definitely saw a I definitely saw

1:22:02stuff in a couple of situations where i

1:22:04could have given him a chance

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