The Incomparable

195: Peak Crate


00:00:07   the incomparable number 195 may 2014 [TS]

00:00:14   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:18   the podcast that likes to draft things [TS]

00:00:20   because i have obsessed with drafting [TS]

00:00:22   things all the things will be drafted [TS]

00:00:24   eventually culminating in our draft [TS]

00:00:26   draft we draft the biggest the best [TS]

00:00:28   drafts that we've ever done but until [TS]

00:00:30   then we will do this draft this draft is [TS]

00:00:32   a follow-up to our video game draft we [TS]

00:00:35   promised we would come back and talk [TS]

00:00:36   about computer games and so here we are [TS]

00:00:38   to talk about computer game so games [TS]

00:00:41   that you do on a computer as opposed to [TS]

00:00:44   a video game console or mobile device or [TS]

00:00:48   such [TS]

00:00:49   and we're going to be a judge ruthlessly [TS]

00:00:52   by the judges my judging panel is me I'm [TS]

00:00:55   ruthless joining me and this will be i [TS]

00:00:58   roll for initiative before the podcast I [TS]

00:01:00   would introduce them in the order in [TS]

00:01:02   which they will pick oh so did more'n oh [TS]

00:01:07   no what you got like a 99 you are first [TS]

00:01:10   hello [TS]

00:01:11   oh my god this never happens I draft all [TS]

00:01:14   the things [TS]

00:01:15   yeah you can't do that but but get ready [TS]

00:01:18   get ready your first up Monty ashley is [TS]

00:01:21   also here he is our second picker [TS]

00:01:23   excellent haha very good Erica and sign [TS]

00:01:26   is here she is our third picker lucky [TS]

00:01:29   number three [TS]

00:01:30   yeah you're in a good that's a good [TS]

00:01:31   position i was like to be in sort of the [TS]

00:01:32   middle when we're drafting that's a good [TS]

00:01:34   good place to be [TS]

00:01:35   of course I'm always last but I dream [TS]

00:01:37   about the middle [TS]

00:01:39   Tony sindelar is our fourth-place picker [TS]

00:01:41   that's not such a great number [TS]

00:01:44   it's not that great but it's okay it's [TS]

00:01:46   okay i think it means death [TS]

00:01:48   I was seriously disappointed that Steve [TS]

00:01:51   let's was our fifth place picker and not [TS]

00:01:54   dead last [TS]

00:01:55   because that's what i like to put him [TS]

00:01:56   but I'm not exceedingly happy about that [TS]

00:01:58   myself [TS]

00:01:59   yeah and John siracusa you are number [TS]

00:02:02   six [TS]

00:02:03   how are you going to judge things that [TS]

00:02:05   you've never heard of them curious about [TS]

00:02:06   that I the internet or random dice at [TS]

00:02:11   this computer game is pretty great but [TS]

00:02:13   you probably haven't heard of it [TS]

00:02:16   was originally developed for the [TS]

00:02:17   oscilloscope is that character I've got [TS]

00:02:19   I've got dice to roll randomly if I need [TS]

00:02:22   to just make a choice you must get [TS]

00:02:24   yourself a timex sinclair junk for this [TS]

00:02:26   will blow your mind you can all be [TS]

00:02:29   emulated it is possible to work around [TS]

00:02:31   this judge by the way I've worked with [TS]

00:02:33   this guy before it's good yes you can I [TS]

00:02:35   i I'm open their put their possibilities [TS]

00:02:38   draft judge is not always cruel to is [TS]

00:02:41   punching holes in punchcards considered [TS]

00:02:43   a game because and then feeding them [TS]

00:02:46   into the computer because that's its a [TS]

00:02:48   game on a computer game [TS]

00:02:49   I mean it you're putting them into the [TS]

00:02:51   computer it's a card game [TS]

00:02:53   not all games played with computers are [TS]

00:02:55   computer God interesting for example the [TS]

00:02:58   game of tech support [TS]

00:02:59   yeah not a game pattycake not a game if [TS]

00:03:03   you play with your computer [TS]

00:03:04   yeah not a game that game where you play [TS]

00:03:06   chess where different models of computer [TS]

00:03:07   or each of the pieces on the giant bored [TS]

00:03:09   of that game game theory not a game that [TS]

00:03:14   that was disappointing that was the [TS]

00:03:16   worst class neighborhood that classic to [TS]

00:03:21   Mac classic for its funny until you meet [TS]

00:03:24   for how they'll move is the problem and [TS]

00:03:27   you gotta remember it the mat classic [TS]

00:03:28   only moves by throwing it halfway across [TS]

00:03:30   the board [TS]

00:03:31   alright so computer games dan more in [TS]

00:03:33   picture computer game [TS]

00:03:35   all right well I'm gonna start off with [TS]

00:03:36   what I think might be the the most [TS]

00:03:38   possible like the one then people most [TS]

00:03:41   likely to snipe and that is in 1994 [TS]

00:03:43   LucasArts game tie fighter now huh [TS]

00:03:48   I typewriter which is I one of the best [TS]

00:03:51   games i think i ever played and as with [TS]

00:03:54   many of the games on my list [TS]

00:03:56   this is this is about people dressed in [TS]

00:03:58   formal wear fighting [TS]

00:03:59   yes they are very tuxedos and they make [TS]

00:04:02   you cum foo it's great it's great you [TS]

00:04:05   got people with your tie bow tie fighter [TS]

00:04:08   was the sequel less bow tie fighter less [TS]

00:04:10   successful cummerbund something go [TS]

00:04:14   anyway [TS]

00:04:15   yeah lots of options yeah well as with [TS]

00:04:17   many of the games on my list this was a [TS]

00:04:19   game i primarily played at some like one [TS]

00:04:21   of my friends houses because I didn't [TS]

00:04:22   have a pc don't forget about the sequel [TS]

00:04:24   50 cufflinks [TS]

00:04:26   there we go thanks to you for bailing me [TS]

00:04:29   out of that [TS]

00:04:30   one and some joke about cummerbund that [TS]

00:04:32   i can think of i was working that when [TS]

00:04:34   you when you brought it up but I had to [TS]

00:04:35   change anyway now that broderbund / [TS]

00:04:38   cover back [TS]

00:04:40   sure there's there's something there [TS]

00:04:42   somewhere [TS]

00:04:43   cummerbund challenge will work on it and [TS]

00:04:45   get back to you at the end of the draft [TS]

00:04:47   yeah guys workshop that are equally [TS]

00:04:48   timing and time and stuff going first [TS]

00:04:51   yeah it's hazing really yeah why would [TS]

00:04:56   you say I think the thing that's most [TS]

00:04:57   sort of in my head that I remember about [TS]

00:05:00   this game is not only that there was the [TS]

00:05:03   whole like space simulation aspect of it [TS]

00:05:06   which was obviously great but there was [TS]

00:05:08   a whole sort of weird side plot as you [TS]

00:05:10   got higher and higher up in this like [TS]

00:05:13   secret society within the Empire so much [TS]

00:05:17   so that when you're at the mission [TS]

00:05:18   select screen if you mouse over you like [TS]

00:05:20   you see the guy's arm and your mouse [TS]

00:05:22   over it and his sleeve would slide up [TS]

00:05:24   and he would have like a tattoo like [TS]

00:05:26   indicated he was in this secret branch [TS]

00:05:29   of the Empire and we get more and more [TS]

00:05:31   elaborate right exactly as he got more [TS]

00:05:33   and more level to get more and more [TS]

00:05:33   elaborate and there was like this whole [TS]

00:05:35   plot in there you know about sort of [TS]

00:05:38   what this group was doing and you have [TS]

00:05:41   to find space ships around and shoot [TS]

00:05:42   stuff and I don't know it was it was [TS]

00:05:45   incredible to me as a you know 14 year [TS]

00:05:47   old or so and and of course chose TIE [TS]

00:05:50   fighter over the the previous Lucas our [TS]

00:05:52   space in x-wing because indeed he's a [TS]

00:05:55   bad man because it's not because it's [TS]

00:05:57   better we all know it's better [TS]

00:05:58   it was it was it was actually it's [TS]

00:06:00   pretty good don't get me wrong but like [TS]

00:06:01   actually was very much a straight-up [TS]

00:06:02   simulation right where this is actually [TS]

00:06:04   had like a storyline there's a little [TS]

00:06:06   more going there it built on all the [TS]

00:06:08   previous ones right and it was followed [TS]

00:06:09   by a couple other sequels which added [TS]

00:06:12   multiplayer which is cool though i never [TS]

00:06:13   had like enough friends with computers [TS]

00:06:16   connected in a way that we could [TS]

00:06:17   actually play multiplayer games so i was [TS]

00:06:21   pretty much stuck with just the first [TS]

00:06:22   player my my friend and I used to play [TS]

00:06:23   this with two of us sitting there [TS]

00:06:24   because it was all so complicated with [TS]

00:06:26   like rearranging your shield power and [TS]

00:06:28   various like it was such it was it [TS]

00:06:30   really a simulation it's not just a [TS]

00:06:32   point-and-click thing so one of us had [TS]

00:06:34   to like fly around with the other person [TS]

00:06:35   was like working all the computer stuff [TS]

00:06:36   that's a hallmark of computer games too [TS]

00:06:39   i played many computers to people at one [TS]

00:06:42   computer because there's so many damn [TS]

00:06:43   Keys magnetic warriors another one [TS]

00:06:45   almost all of the games on my list i [TS]

00:06:47   think we played at least in part in that [TS]

00:06:49   way just because it was it was like [TS]

00:06:51   multiplayer before multiplayer was [TS]

00:06:53   really a thing [TS]

00:06:54   so Dan did you want did you choose which [TS]

00:06:56   one of you is going to be the droid and [TS]

00:06:58   then that one only could go Boop [TS]

00:07:01   I guess that's x-wing sorry there are no [TS]

00:07:02   joints and tie fighters please [TS]

00:07:04   are there little those little black [TS]

00:07:05   boxes on thai fighter to those guys just [TS]

00:07:07   flying by themselves they leave the they [TS]

00:07:10   leave those guys back in the hangar or [TS]

00:07:11   just saturday like they waved goodbye [TS]

00:07:13   so that's what you would do is one of [TS]

00:07:15   you would play the little black box left [TS]

00:07:16   the hangar and go sit in the corner [TS]

00:07:18   while the other person had an adventure [TS]

00:07:20   Jason please call it a mouse droid also [TS]

00:07:21   when you I have to know for those of you [TS]

00:07:23   who i mean which is mostly around in the [TS]

00:07:25   early i think this rain on my calf may [TS]

00:07:28   be 46 r pentium personally like that [TS]

00:07:30   23 cd-rom ya did well i do remember [TS]

00:07:33   computers that had turbo buttons on them [TS]

00:07:35   like like Knight Rider [TS]

00:07:37   yeah we had to change the clock speed [TS]

00:07:39   will you change the fucking speed of the [TS]

00:07:41   computer [TS]

00:07:41   well because if you ran certain like das [TS]

00:07:43   games they would run too fast so if you [TS]

00:07:46   ran this in das because they all ran [TS]

00:07:48   indoors as well as I think there was [TS]

00:07:49   later windows version but if you're [TS]

00:07:51   indoors like everything went super fast [TS]

00:07:53   and you can do anything that's like slow [TS]

00:07:55   down the clock speed so I'm looking at [TS]

00:07:57   the box right now and it says 486 DX 266 [TS]

00:08:01   minimum required [TS]

00:08:03   yeah there you go so you have some [TS]

00:08:05   hardcore why yes i think we played down [TS]

00:08:07   a pentium which we had to slow down 246 [TS]

00:08:09   speeds in order to play it das sure why [TS]

00:08:11   would you need more than that [TS]

00:08:13   did you have the requisite eight [TS]

00:08:14   megabytes of RAM maybe that was from iio [TS]

00:08:17   it was my computer man yeah totally [TS]

00:08:19   totally using my friends computer for [TS]

00:08:20   this turbo buttons were on the pc 80 i [TS]

00:08:23   believe which would run Red Baron too [TS]

00:08:25   fast if you have the turbo button [TS]

00:08:26   Preston so the turbo button long [TS]

00:08:27   predates 4600 I remember particularly [TS]

00:08:30   enjoying the game because it was heavily [TS]

00:08:33   inspired by kind of the traditional [TS]

00:08:34   flight simulator games so there were [TS]

00:08:37   entire sequences to it that were not [TS]

00:08:38   like really action-packed or what you [TS]

00:08:41   would consider enjoyable but they left [TS]

00:08:43   this is what it would like their [TS]

00:08:45   missions were like you fly around a TIE [TS]

00:08:47   fighter and have to scan cargo ships to [TS]

00:08:49   make sure they were like had their [TS]

00:08:50   registration up-to-date and then like [TS]

00:08:52   something what happened but it'd be like [TS]

00:08:53   you're going to scan cargo ships for 20 [TS]

00:08:55   minutes [TS]

00:08:55   this is what you do when you work for [TS]

00:08:56   the Empire deal with it i spent a really [TS]

00:08:58   long time trying to get this to work in [TS]

00:09:00   a DA simulator and you can I could get [TS]

00:09:02   it to work with the problem is it really [TS]

00:09:03   doesn't play well without a joystick and [TS]

00:09:05   you're getting the mouse to emulate [TS]

00:09:06   joystick doesn't really work [TS]

00:09:09   great now I played I think I played [TS]

00:09:11   x-wing with a with a joystick and and [TS]

00:09:14   boy was that was hard did see a little [TS]

00:09:17   bit like I wasn't playing a game so much [TS]

00:09:18   as being trained in how to fly an x-wing [TS]

00:09:21   you used to like fly through the troops [TS]

00:09:23   and stuff like that yeah I've got the [TS]

00:09:26   collector series which was remastered [TS]

00:09:28   for windows 95 maybe you'd have better [TS]

00:09:30   luck with that [TS]

00:09:31   yeah when they also have a I think it [TS]

00:09:32   added an expansion or two as well there [TS]

00:09:34   were some there were some add-ons [TS]

00:09:36   interest on to tie fighter and yeah so I [TS]

00:09:40   don't mostly the nursing about this is [TS]

00:09:42   probably Star Wars related nerding yeah [TS]

00:09:44   it keeps being one of those ones that [TS]

00:09:45   you hope that they'll do some kind of [TS]

00:09:47   release but now with LucasArts current [TS]

00:09:49   state that seems I mean non-existent [TS]

00:09:51   that state [TS]

00:09:52   yeah for years I wanted an extra xbox [TS]

00:09:54   arcade version of this game [TS]

00:09:56   I mean you see that yeah it seems like [TS]

00:09:57   that's if you know there's probably [TS]

00:09:59   there's other games higher up in the [TS]

00:10:00   list and we're probably never going to [TS]

00:10:02   see those it's a really popular game i [TS]

00:10:03   mean if you look back at like the awards [TS]

00:10:05   it won like it's on a bunch of like [TS]

00:10:06   greatest games list and stuff like that [TS]

00:10:08   i mean and i think the star wars name [TS]

00:10:10   you know this is one of the better star [TS]

00:10:12   wars games ever made to highbar didn't [TS]

00:10:16   they just aren't the beta testing an [TS]

00:10:18   x-wing game that runs in the brow in the [TS]

00:10:20   browser there is a there's a flash one I [TS]

00:10:22   actually have a managed to snag a beta [TS]

00:10:24   invite to it [TS]

00:10:25   yeah it's not bad but it's much more of [TS]

00:10:26   a modern type game where it's like you [TS]

00:10:29   know don't worry too much about that [TS]

00:10:30   it's more of a twitch game than a [TS]

00:10:32   simulation but it has its entertainment [TS]

00:10:35   all right tie fighter good pic first pic [TS]

00:10:37   that was that was a solid pick their dan [TS]

00:10:40   that's all the time we have folks [TS]

00:10:42   tonight [TS]

00:10:42   yeah right everybody thinks you turning [TS]

00:10:44   in for thai fighter top again [TS]

00:10:46   oh my god it's going to be in [TS]

00:10:49   syndication it's going to be great yeah [TS]

00:10:50   it is monty your it's your turn [TS]

00:10:53   I'm going to 1986 I think will be the [TS]

00:10:57   high point of computer games like some [TS]

00:11:01   kind of dust ballgame tom joad versus [TS]

00:11:04   the turtle that's the game it [TS]

00:11:07   this is Trinity by infocar I is a text [TS]

00:11:12   adventure that starts with a nuclear [TS]

00:11:14   bomb going off over London then kind of [TS]

00:11:17   goes into a mary poppins thing before [TS]

00:11:20   being sort of an Alice in Wonderland [TS]

00:11:23   inspired Rob through the history of [TS]

00:11:25   nuclear weaponry [TS]

00:11:27   oh yeah right it is amazing sasti [TS]

00:11:31   maretskiy right Brian Moriarty oh it's [TS]

00:11:34   Moriarty okay yeah I'm thinking mind [TS]

00:11:36   forever voyaging I guess yeah Monty if I [TS]

00:11:40   had to predict that you would pick an [TS]

00:11:42   infocomm game for your first pick i [TS]

00:11:44   would i would have correctly picked that [TS]

00:11:46   that is exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:11:47   what about you wouldn't this is the one [TS]

00:11:48   with the radioactive symbol on it it's [TS]

00:11:51   not yeah and you drag the feelings that [TS]

00:11:54   came with it were how to fold an origami [TS]

00:11:56   crane and a little cardboard sundial [TS]

00:11:59   which even explain for some of our [TS]

00:12:01   younger audience what feelings are [TS]

00:12:03   originally anybody could copy computer [TS]

00:12:06   games then copy protection became [TS]

00:12:09   invented then copy protection got broken [TS]

00:12:12   then that lapse those last two cycles [TS]

00:12:14   repeated a hundred times an infocomm [TS]

00:12:16   came up with this brilliant idea of [TS]

00:12:18   putting things in their game like for [TS]

00:12:22   the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy [TS]

00:12:24   you got a pair of parallel sensitive [TS]

00:12:26   sunglasses that would turn black [TS]

00:12:27   whenever there is peril the joke of [TS]

00:12:29   course being that they were solid black [TS]

00:12:31   cardboard so there was always parallel [TS]

00:12:32   right and that way they could both give [TS]

00:12:35   you something fun like little a [TS]

00:12:37   cardboard sundial you could fold and [TS]

00:12:39   also refer to it in the game as kind of [TS]

00:12:42   mock copy protection so you have to look [TS]

00:12:45   at your feelings and answer questions or [TS]

00:12:47   something depending on how suddenly they [TS]

00:12:49   did it [TS]

00:12:50   I like looking stuff up in the manual [TS]

00:12:51   you have to do in about like on page 27 [TS]

00:12:53   what's the third we're in the fifth [TS]

00:12:55   paragraph yeah or because infocomm was a [TS]

00:12:58   little more subtle that they include a [TS]

00:13:00   comic book and you have to read the [TS]

00:13:02   comic book so you know what Rex master [TS]

00:13:05   don like to drink so when that came up [TS]

00:13:09   in the game you would say i don't really [TS]

00:13:11   like to drink that example is from the [TS]

00:13:13   very classy game leather goddesses of [TS]

00:13:15   Phobos there's nothing like the leaders [TS]

00:13:17   to Larry how perfect [TS]

00:13:18   remember that one where they would ask [TS]

00:13:19   your questions yeah before the game [TS]

00:13:22   started [TS]

00:13:23   I remember sitting next to someone in [TS]

00:13:25   college who that who was really [TS]

00:13:26   struggling with those questions was kind [TS]

00:13:27   of sad like it's like Nick's it was like [TS]

00:13:30   you know you know who was president in [TS]

00:13:32   1986 and you know they're asking things [TS]

00:13:35   like I have hair on my head be lots of [TS]

00:13:38   places so you think about house I was [TS]

00:13:41   like what kind of questions they would [TS]

00:13:42   ask you to trip up five-year-olds those [TS]

00:13:45   questions have come back to haunt them [TS]

00:13:46   because if you get at the if you get the [TS]

00:13:47   lost treasures of infocomm i think it is [TS]

00:13:50   the cd-rom that has a bunch of their old [TS]

00:13:52   games on it it comes with the PDF of all [TS]

00:13:55   the documentation but it's missing some [TS]

00:13:57   so you can't actually play bureaucracy [TS]

00:14:00   you get about a third of the way through [TS]

00:14:02   and asks who is conspiring to destroy [TS]

00:14:04   the country and you don't know because [TS]

00:14:07   you don't have the fire this is it's the [TS]

00:14:08   dentist's which is actually sort of [TS]

00:14:10   perfect when you think about it that's [TS]

00:14:11   all parts all part of the game [TS]

00:14:13   yeah exactly now you have to go they [TS]

00:14:15   knew you'd have to go on the internet to [TS]

00:14:16   find that out because by then infocomm [TS]

00:14:18   was owned by activision which is a [TS]

00:14:19   bureaucracy of its own sort yeah it's [TS]

00:14:22   perfect so I'm very fond of text [TS]

00:14:24   adventures i still have them on every [TS]

00:14:26   computer or device that i own and [TS]

00:14:29   trinity i think is the best one so I'm [TS]

00:14:31   taking Trinity alright that's that's [TS]

00:14:34   great and should be in le simulation [TS]

00:14:37   allows us to play many of these games i [TS]

00:14:39   think which is nice [TS]

00:14:40   well you don't even need emulation [TS]

00:14:42   because infocomm wrote their own [TS]

00:14:44   language which was how they were how [TS]

00:14:46   they really get it on every platform at [TS]

00:14:48   the time so people just written [TS]

00:14:50   interpreters and I have their i have one [TS]

00:14:52   on my iphone i believe for my ipad very [TS]

00:14:54   nice [TS]

00:14:55   Erica it's your turn who [TS]

00:14:58   well for my pic i am going to take you [TS]

00:15:00   back to the healthy on Days of the early [TS]

00:15:02   nineties and and a game that I genuinely [TS]

00:15:07   think i would not be the same person now [TS]

00:15:09   if i hadn't discovered this game at the [TS]

00:15:11   time and that is ultimate seven part one [TS]

00:15:13   the black gate [TS]

00:15:15   Oh [TS]

00:15:16   yes you see my mom took my siblings and [TS]

00:15:19   I shopping and said we could get one [TS]

00:15:21   computer game and of course there was an [TS]

00:15:24   argument you know we went to american TV [TS]

00:15:26   and appliance run by crazy Lenny crazy [TS]

00:15:29   TV Lenny I kid you not that was that was [TS]

00:15:31   the store and they sold computers in [TS]

00:15:34   addition to televisions and furniture [TS]

00:15:35   and in procedure ators and things that's [TS]

00:15:38   clearly happen isn't it just [TS]

00:15:41   that's Lenny for you and so there were [TS]

00:15:44   two games that my brother and I were [TS]

00:15:46   arguing over and I can't even remember [TS]

00:15:47   who was pulling for which game it was [TS]

00:15:49   between ultimate seven and i think it [TS]

00:15:51   was King's Quest six probably and one of [TS]

00:15:56   us one I like to think it was me because [TS]

00:15:58   really i like to think it was me and I [TS]

00:16:01   decide we decided to go with ultimate [TS]

00:16:03   seven and that game became the center of [TS]

00:16:07   our world for I don't even know how many [TS]

00:16:10   how long it was it was months because [TS]

00:16:12   you know we are it's a good call if [TS]

00:16:14   you're if you're told you only pick one [TS]

00:16:15   game always pick the one that takes six [TS]

00:16:17   hundred years to complete it was so [TS]

00:16:20   wonderful we got at home and we pulled [TS]

00:16:22   out the i think it was twelve five and a [TS]

00:16:24   quarter floppy inch 2.5 and quarter inch [TS]

00:16:26   floppy disks and you know took a million [TS]

00:16:29   years loading them up on to our ancient [TS]

00:16:31   ancient computer and will now ancient [TS]

00:16:34   even at the time it wasn't super new but [TS]

00:16:36   it wasn't enough to play that game [TS]

00:16:37   barely half the time the mouse wouldn't [TS]

00:16:40   work and we would have to use the [TS]

00:16:41   keyboard commands which let me tell you [TS]

00:16:43   not a whole lot of fun although the day [TS]

00:16:45   we discovered that when you Preston [TS]

00:16:47   shift and hit the arrow keys you walked [TS]

00:16:49   faster was a great great day for our [TS]

00:16:52   family but anyway so the ultimate series [TS]

00:16:56   had been around for quite a while at [TS]

00:16:58   that point but I had never heard of it [TS]

00:17:00   so this was my first introduction to the [TS]

00:17:03   game where you are transported from the [TS]

00:17:05   real world into this you know compute [TS]

00:17:08   this different land that we can access [TS]

00:17:10   through the computer and the thing that [TS]

00:17:13   I love about it the most is just the [TS]

00:17:14   fact that it's such an open world and [TS]

00:17:16   you can really just go anywhere and do [TS]

00:17:18   anything once you get past sort of the [TS]

00:17:20   first the first little little challenge [TS]

00:17:22   you start out in a city which I love [TS]

00:17:24   it's called trinsic so you're starting [TS]

00:17:26   intrinsic which is wonderful because you [TS]

00:17:28   have to learn all [TS]

00:17:29   of the basics of the game all the things [TS]

00:17:31   that are intrinsic to playing the game [TS]

00:17:33   so when you're starting off with the pun [TS]

00:17:34   like that how can you possibly go wrong [TS]

00:17:36   but after that every pretty much [TS]

00:17:40   anywhere in the entire realm is open to [TS]

00:17:42   you in a lot of games that are sort of [TS]

00:17:44   like that the strength of the monsters [TS]

00:17:46   sort of keeps you wear your [TS]

00:17:47   quote-unquote supposed to be and hear [TS]

00:17:49   that rarely happens you could kind of go [TS]

00:17:52   just about anywhere and sort of avoid [TS]

00:17:54   the monsters and get way ahead of [TS]

00:17:55   yourself if you wanted and and i love [TS]

00:17:57   that and I the only thing that I kind of [TS]

00:18:01   found a little frustrating the first [TS]

00:18:03   time through was just that we could only [TS]

00:18:04   have a party of of so many people so you [TS]

00:18:07   had to pick and choose and after playing [TS]

00:18:10   through the first time and having it be [TS]

00:18:11   this super important thing in our lives [TS]

00:18:14   i mean we would have snow days off from [TS]

00:18:16   school and my brother and sister and I [TS]

00:18:19   would sit we had a piano bench instead [TS]

00:18:21   of a computer chair and the three of us [TS]

00:18:22   would sit next to each other on the [TS]

00:18:25   piano bench playing ultimate seven we [TS]

00:18:27   would take turns you know one person we [TS]

00:18:28   get to run that the mouths of the [TS]

00:18:29   keyboard and then we would have to [TS]

00:18:31   switch off because otherwise mom would [TS]

00:18:32   yell at us because somebody would [TS]

00:18:34   complain and we would literally spend 11 [TS]

00:18:37   or 12 hours that has been a stretch just [TS]

00:18:38   all sitting together and I think my [TS]

00:18:41   parents let us do that because we [TS]

00:18:42   weren't arguing with each other and [TS]

00:18:44   nobody was hitting hitting the other one [TS]

00:18:46   because we were just so completely [TS]

00:18:47   involved in this game so we created our [TS]

00:18:50   party and I think I don't know how many [TS]

00:18:52   more times I have played through [TS]

00:18:54   ultimate seven but i have to play with [TS]

00:18:57   the same party because I feel like they [TS]

00:18:58   are family members I feel like they're [TS]

00:19:00   my friends I met them so long ago that [TS]

00:19:02   every time I every time I go through my [TS]

00:19:04   goal maybe I'll take Julia this time but [TS]

00:19:06   then like who do I get rid of nobody I [TS]

00:19:08   just can't do it [TS]

00:19:10   and speaking of Julia would have been [TS]

00:19:12   nice to have a female in the party just [TS]

00:19:16   couldn't make that happen because if [TS]

00:19:17   they all became too late but I loved [TS]

00:19:19   loved loved the fact that i could play [TS]

00:19:21   as a female character as the avatar and [TS]

00:19:25   that was something that you don't see [TS]

00:19:27   very often unfortunately the only choice [TS]

00:19:29   was blonde which they think they opened [TS]

00:19:32   up in an ultimate seven-part to serpent [TS]

00:19:36   Isle you are you were able to to change [TS]

00:19:38   your features and you can play as a [TS]

00:19:40   brunette which would have been more [TS]

00:19:41   appropriate but after spending so many [TS]

00:19:43   is playing and replaying as the blonde I [TS]

00:19:46   just I couldn't change i'm in such a [TS]

00:19:48   creature of habit but there are lots of [TS]

00:19:50   references and in jokes and things that [TS]

00:19:52   I absolutely did not get at the time [TS]

00:19:54   because i was just too young for it but [TS]

00:19:56   I i think that it was it's a credit to [TS]

00:19:58   the the story that those jokes not [TS]

00:20:01   knowing those jokes doesn't detract from [TS]

00:20:03   it at all so like you know the [TS]

00:20:05   Fellowship is this mysterious sort of [TS]

00:20:07   culty new church that's doing that [TS]

00:20:10   sprung up and you know that supposed to [TS]

00:20:12   be sort of a riff on Scientology well I [TS]

00:20:13   didn't get it at the time but now I [TS]

00:20:15   think it just makes the game even deeper [TS]

00:20:17   and it came with feelings too [TS]

00:20:19   we had a cloth map and a little metal [TS]

00:20:22   fellowship token in the copy protection [TS]

00:20:25   for ultimate seven was asking questions [TS]

00:20:27   about longitude and latitude on the map [TS]

00:20:29   yeah so oh good time getting misty just [TS]

00:20:34   thinking about it i have i have some [TS]

00:20:36   ultimate memories of my own but i'm [TS]

00:20:37   going to save them in case i pick [TS]

00:20:39   another ultimate game later [TS]

00:20:40   yeah I got one on my list and it yeah I [TS]

00:20:43   I might I might not somebody in the [TS]

00:20:47   chatroom suggesting that if any of you [TS]

00:20:48   pics minesweeper your band for the [TS]

00:20:50   podcast / no comment [TS]

00:20:53   actually that would be kind of that [TS]

00:20:55   would be that would be kind of brilliant [TS]

00:20:56   III one of the highest selling games of [TS]

00:20:58   all time [TS]

00:20:59   well selling what about that puzzle [TS]

00:21:03   slightly game on iOS yeah yeah let's [TS]

00:21:05   just say it depends on how deep we get [TS]

00:21:07   into worthless [TS]

00:21:07   alright fair enough i have it written [TS]

00:21:09   down it's not high [TS]

00:21:11   okay good Tony it's your turn um i would [TS]

00:21:14   like to draft for my first pick up the [TS]

00:21:16   game half-life you may have heard it all [TS]

00:21:18   yah eat it what ya shaking my fist over [TS]

00:21:23   here [TS]

00:21:23   ah there's nothing better than crafting [TS]

00:21:25   something that somebody found the draft [TS]

00:21:27   yeah um so half-life is a very popular [TS]

00:21:31   first-person shooter from the late [TS]

00:21:33   nineties that was valve software that [TS]

00:21:36   everyone's heard about makes up the game [TS]

00:21:37   to make steam and my pizza that was [TS]

00:21:39   their first thing and no doubt many of [TS]

00:21:41   you have or at least heard of half life [TS]

00:21:42   if not played half life or one of the [TS]

00:21:44   many sequels since then but up i played [TS]

00:21:48   that when I was you know but it but a [TS]

00:21:49   young or yeah but a young high school [TS]

00:21:52   student and half-life was this great [TS]

00:21:55   game in which you played as gordon [TS]

00:21:56   freeman [TS]

00:21:56   who is a theoretical physicist and kind [TS]

00:21:59   of your silent protagonist who had a PhD [TS]

00:22:01   from MIT but basically as far as I could [TS]

00:22:03   tell as a scientist his main job was [TS]

00:22:05   like sliding creates around the room and [TS]

00:22:07   other scientists would tell them to do [TS]

00:22:08   and then everything goes horribly awry [TS]

00:22:10   in his science facility suddenly they're [TS]

00:22:12   aliens running around and heat so he's [TS]

00:22:13   running around trying not to get killed [TS]

00:22:15   by aliens and then the government shows [TS]

00:22:17   up and turns out they want to kill the [TS]

00:22:19   aliens but also everyone who you know [TS]

00:22:21   may have been involved in bringing [TS]

00:22:22   aliens they're so he's on the run from [TS]

00:22:24   that and don't got his PhD in [TS]

00:22:27   first-person shooters so moving crates [TS]

00:22:29   around was a natural fit for him [TS]

00:22:31   this was in the crate era of games i [TS]

00:22:33   remember [TS]

00:22:34   yes it was this was piqued great um this [TS]

00:22:37   was you know every game back then had a [TS]

00:22:39   great which i always i I'll enjoy [TS]

00:22:41   because it was clear that the people who [TS]

00:22:43   made video games like only have really [TS]

00:22:46   kind of a loose sense of what a crate [TS]

00:22:48   really mad world but that's like for [TS]

00:22:51   example you see there would be crates [TS]

00:22:53   everywhere they would be stacked they [TS]

00:22:55   would be hanging from things you would [TS]

00:22:56   use them for stuff they would come in [TS]

00:22:58   lots of shapes you know that didn't make [TS]

00:23:00   sense but you know what you almost never [TS]

00:23:02   saw a pallet and oversaw foul-up it's [TS]

00:23:06   like I had a job working in a warehouse [TS]

00:23:08   I've unloaded trucks you know what [TS]

00:23:09   creates come on Chris come on pallets [TS]

00:23:11   you pasty videogame designers have never [TS]

00:23:13   seen a real great um but yeah half was [TS]

00:23:16   at peak great um so I kind of iconic [TS]

00:23:20   first-person shooter that also [TS]

00:23:21   incorporated some kind of puzzle solving [TS]

00:23:23   with moving crates smashing things with [TS]

00:23:25   a crowbar had really great artificial [TS]

00:23:28   intelligence for for the time for the [TS]

00:23:30   different types of enemies that would [TS]

00:23:31   pursue you and it was also kind of this [TS]

00:23:33   breakthrough in terms of how they told [TS]

00:23:35   this story in a first-person shooter [TS]

00:23:36   because they would be kinda scripted [TS]

00:23:37   action sequences would show up and be [TS]

00:23:40   aliens fighting monsters or people [TS]

00:23:42   breaking down a wall and coming at you [TS]

00:23:43   and all these things that perhaps before [TS]

00:23:45   would have really just happened in [TS]

00:23:46   cutscenes right so you can kind of play [TS]

00:23:48   through this this whole thing and you [TS]

00:23:50   know there but since then been that many [TS]

00:23:52   games and unfortunately the half-life [TS]

00:23:53   series has not even been concluded yet [TS]

00:23:55   which is increasingly frustrating but [TS]

00:23:58   yeah that's half life Steve did you want [TS]

00:23:59   to say anything about half life since I [TS]

00:24:00   stole it from you that's all right now I [TS]

00:24:02   was just gonna point out the you make a [TS]

00:24:04   good point about the fact that it's [TS]

00:24:06   probably was the first [TS]

00:24:07   first person shooter have a real [TS]

00:24:08   narrative that you lived through means [TS]

00:24:11   you know I think Star Wars dark forces [TS]

00:24:12   came a little came a little earlier but [TS]

00:24:14   that yeah the you know they were there [TS]

00:24:16   were the occasional their assumptions [TS]

00:24:18   you have with your your buddy a Jan but [TS]

00:24:22   most of the actual storyline was told in [TS]

00:24:25   those sort of texts screens in between [TS]

00:24:26   the levels and this I mean you knew it [TS]

00:24:28   was something special right from that [TS]

00:24:29   groundbreaking opening sequence where [TS]

00:24:31   you're travelling to work you're on the [TS]

00:24:33   Black Mesa tram and you can catch the [TS]

00:24:35   campuses of giant robots and huge links [TS]

00:24:38   of toxic waste and you get the [TS]

00:24:39   impression that perhaps safety [TS]

00:24:41   regulations or not the Black Mesa [TS]

00:24:42   facilities highest priority but they [TS]

00:24:45   were just there are so many great [TS]

00:24:47   moments in that and it was aight i think [TS]

00:24:48   that the design was was done from the [TS]

00:24:51   perspective that you let's come up with [TS]

00:24:53   what would be cool they have happened in [TS]

00:24:55   this game then we'll worry about how to [TS]

00:24:56   implement it later so you get stuff like [TS]

00:24:58   that amazing sequence in the missile [TS]

00:25:00   silo with the tentacles that can only [TS]

00:25:02   hear you and then there's that big room [TS]

00:25:04   where you're sort of introduced to the [TS]

00:25:05   ninja who hadn't showed up at that point [TS]

00:25:07   and when the helicopter the damn [TS]

00:25:10   helicopter you have to shoot it out of [TS]

00:25:12   the sky with missiles over and over [TS]

00:25:13   again running back and forth along the [TS]

00:25:15   cliff for an entire afternoon but the [TS]

00:25:17   best thing with the helicopter is it has [TS]

00:25:19   shown up in so many scenes and I've been [TS]

00:25:21   sort of the bane of your existence and [TS]

00:25:22   you finally got to take it down it was [TS]

00:25:24   the greatest moment up telling up till [TS]

00:25:26   that point in first-person shooters so [TS]

00:25:28   wonderful game I I still busted out and [TS]

00:25:31   play at every couple years I've waited [TS]

00:25:33   through have not played recently when I [TS]

00:25:35   played it through at least four or five [TS]

00:25:36   times and part of that was kind of the [TS]

00:25:37   power of the engine that they built for [TS]

00:25:39   it which was ended up being kind of [TS]

00:25:40   important for a lot of games around then [TS]

00:25:42   counter-strike was originally a [TS]

00:25:44   half-life mod which would become its own [TS]

00:25:45   game later [TS]

00:25:47   you know the kind of team fortress that [TS]

00:25:49   existed before half life but that was [TS]

00:25:51   the half-life version of team fortress [TS]

00:25:52   that became really really popular and [TS]

00:25:54   then there were all these other kind of [TS]

00:25:55   very weird strange games that people [TS]

00:25:59   would build for that that was that we're [TS]

00:26:00   really kind of cool and neat [TS]

00:26:01   yeah I love your observation about peak [TS]

00:26:05   rate I never you never thought about [TS]

00:26:07   that fit so like as a matter of fact in [TS]

00:26:09   ultimate seven that there's a lot of [TS]

00:26:11   service in Game puzzles but one of the [TS]

00:26:13   ones i found out about many years later [TS]

00:26:14   is in that first city if you take all of [TS]

00:26:17   the crates and in the town and build a [TS]

00:26:20   staircase to get you up [TS]

00:26:21   the top of a certain building it [TS]

00:26:23   basically has everything that you need [TS]

00:26:24   to win entire can also just out of [TS]

00:26:27   curiosity has anyone ever tried to [TS]

00:26:29   actually take a part of create with a [TS]

00:26:30   crowbar [TS]

00:26:31   well you can just hit it with a wrench [TS]

00:26:32   and explodes into a thousand pieces yeah [TS]

00:26:34   sure I think I'd like open open a couple [TS]

00:26:38   actual crates it's like they're not [TS]

00:26:39   messing around it's not like he just [TS]

00:26:41   like hit it breaks like an easter egg [TS]

00:26:42   it's like you you know i mean it's [TS]

00:26:44   something that you send stuff in it's [TS]

00:26:47   designed to be resilient you got the [TS]

00:26:49   other kind of crazy you got the crate [TS]

00:26:51   that can't be destroyed by any means [TS]

00:26:52   whatsoever [TS]

00:26:53   back at the dawn of the Internet [TS]

00:26:54   somebody proposed a start to create [TS]

00:26:56   metric old man Murray yeah he's still [TS]

00:27:01   around I guess [TS]

00:27:02   plenty of crates in half-life by the way [TS]

00:27:04   we should point out if you're just [TS]

00:27:06   joining us you are listening to create [TS]

00:27:08   talk where we talk about Christmas [TS]

00:27:10   that's great hair great that's what a [TS]

00:27:13   gordon freeman spent all those years in [TS]

00:27:14   school learning just the right place to [TS]

00:27:17   hit the create with the crowbar and [TS]

00:27:18   instantly flattens he has a phd people [TS]

00:27:21   yeah it's all you hit that you can't [TS]

00:27:23   just hit anywhere it's like that guy [TS]

00:27:24   with the chalk mark on the generator you [TS]

00:27:26   know the the chalk mark is one dollar [TS]

00:27:28   but ten thousand dollars for know where [TS]

00:27:29   to put it and mom said my video gaming [TS]

00:27:32   would be of no use in my eventual [TS]

00:27:33   factory job i would say for those who [TS]

00:27:36   have not played half life if you're a [TS]

00:27:37   little put off by like how far back half [TS]

00:27:39   life is a game you know the more recent [TS]

00:27:41   you know half life that was done with [TS]

00:27:44   the source engine is obviously a lot [TS]

00:27:45   more graphically impressive [TS]

00:27:47   there's also an update of it that I [TS]

00:27:49   think people on the internet like almost [TS]

00:27:51   a decade on to the point where the [TS]

00:27:52   update might need an update again in [TS]

00:27:54   like a couple years where they built it [TS]

00:27:57   with the source engine but yea half-life [TS]

00:27:59   2 is also a great game [TS]

00:28:01   I know some people who started with [TS]

00:28:02   half-life 2 and it's it feels very kind [TS]

00:28:05   of disorienting and you have no idea [TS]

00:28:06   what's going on but that's actually part [TS]

00:28:07   of the story is that you like you show [TS]

00:28:10   up in an athlete to and the protective [TS]

00:28:12   literally doesn't know what's going on [TS]

00:28:13   it is disorienting so it's not like [TS]

00:28:14   you're missing you're not missing on [TS]

00:28:16   like the end of half life where they [TS]

00:28:17   totally explain what happens i think i [TS]

00:28:19   went looked up the end of half life when [TS]

00:28:20   I started playing half-life 2 i think is [TS]

00:28:22   ask you about it you're like the door [TS]

00:28:24   you're supposed to feel like they're [TS]

00:28:25   like okay then that's just life [TS]

00:28:27   disoriented confusion staggering around [TS]

00:28:30   public transportation put in stasis by [TS]

00:28:32   some mysterious government figure [TS]

00:28:35   and crates don't forget the crates [TS]

00:28:36   damned if you don't learn this stuff you [TS]

00:28:38   know in a game just gonna learn it on [TS]

00:28:39   the streets that's no good [TS]

00:28:41   so it's full of crates Steve let's what [TS]

00:28:43   a-what create oriented game where you [TS]

00:28:45   going to choose [TS]

00:28:46   no crates in my game no are you sure the [TS]

00:28:49   video game if it doesn't have creates [TS]

00:28:51   its true this is a little early for [TS]

00:28:53   creates I think I and half-life is a [TS]

00:28:56   good game but I'm surprised and a little [TS]

00:28:58   disappointed that nobody has picked what [TS]

00:29:00   is objectively the best game ever made [TS]

00:29:02   and that is that is its from 1991 there [TS]

00:29:07   aren't very many games that are over two [TS]

00:29:09   decades old that I still regularly play [TS]

00:29:10   not out of nostalgia but just because [TS]

00:29:13   it's a damn fine game that still has [TS]

00:29:15   something to offer even after all these [TS]

00:29:17   years and this one I bust out at least [TS]

00:29:19   once a year it is sid meier's [TS]

00:29:22   civilization on which is just an utterly [TS]

00:29:27   fantastic game design it's really [TS]

00:29:29   frankly hard to believe how good it is [TS]

00:29:31   considering all the different intricate [TS]

00:29:33   pieces that make it up for those who may [TS]

00:29:37   be unfamiliar you start with a single [TS]

00:29:39   settler unit at the dawn of civilization [TS]

00:29:41   and from there you build an empire [TS]

00:29:44   capable of surviving throughout all of [TS]

00:29:46   human history where you win either by [TS]

00:29:49   destroying every other civilization or [TS]

00:29:51   being the first with the technological [TS]

00:29:53   know-how to build a rocket to Alpha [TS]

00:29:54   Centauri and you know either one is good [TS]

00:29:58   but it's definitely more fun to dominate [TS]

00:30:00   your your neighbors [TS]

00:30:02   there's just so much I love about this [TS]

00:30:04   game i love how completely different [TS]

00:30:06   every single game plays the the world is [TS]

00:30:09   randomized it starts out your kind of [TS]

00:30:11   hidden behind this dark fog of war and [TS]

00:30:13   you uncover squares as you move your guy [TS]

00:30:15   around but you have no idea whether [TS]

00:30:17   you're starting out next 25 other rival [TS]

00:30:20   civilizations or you're alone on some [TS]

00:30:22   sort of small island and won't run [TS]

00:30:24   across anybody else until the age of [TS]

00:30:26   sales that completely changes the way [TS]

00:30:27   the game works [TS]

00:30:29   I love the the constant balancing after [TS]

00:30:31   trying to maintain your your [TS]

00:30:32   civilization you knew what you want to [TS]

00:30:35   gain population so your city can be more [TS]

00:30:37   productive but if it gets too [TS]

00:30:38   overpopulated the citizens get ticked [TS]

00:30:39   off and riot you know you can modify [TS]

00:30:42   them by directing more of the city's [TS]

00:30:44   production to luxury items but if you do [TS]

00:30:45   that then you can keep the warm [TS]

00:30:47   enrolling and you've got the Babylonians [TS]

00:30:49   camped out on your eastern border and [TS]

00:30:51   it's a it's a lot of fun just kind of [TS]

00:30:53   trying to keep things in order i like [TS]

00:30:57   the flow of the game i like the fact [TS]

00:30:59   that as the centuries past the gameplay [TS]

00:31:01   kind of changes organically through [TS]

00:31:03   these different areas you start I just [TS]

00:31:05   trying to eke out an existence and fend [TS]

00:31:07   off the barbarians and then there's kind [TS]

00:31:09   of an age where you've kind of got a [TS]

00:31:10   foothold your civilization is starting [TS]

00:31:12   to thrive and so you expand and explore [TS]

00:31:15   and meet some of your neighbors and [TS]

00:31:17   hopefully grind them into dust and then [TS]

00:31:19   there's an industrial revolution period [TS]

00:31:21   that kicks off in your building [TS]

00:31:22   factories and battleships and basically [TS]

00:31:24   polluting the hell out of everything and [TS]

00:31:26   then there's a period where your [TS]

00:31:27   cleaning up the mess from the industrial [TS]

00:31:29   revolution and mopping up the toxic [TS]

00:31:31   waste from the new she dropped on the [TS]

00:31:32   Aztecs archers it's just it's it's [TS]

00:31:35   always kind of fresh and I think the [TS]

00:31:38   fact that it changes so frequently is [TS]

00:31:40   what what keeps you feeling like you [TS]

00:31:42   have to keep playing and playing and [TS]

00:31:43   playing it's almost impossible to quit [TS]

00:31:45   playing this game you just want to see [TS]

00:31:47   what happens on the next turn mostly i [TS]

00:31:50   love just how accessible it is because [TS]

00:31:52   it's got this great learning curve it [TS]

00:31:55   doesn't overwhelm you like a lot of [TS]

00:31:57   strategy games with a bunch of units and [TS]

00:31:59   resources and things just start you off [TS]

00:32:00   with this one piddling little covered [TS]

00:32:03   wagon and all you can do for a while as [TS]

00:32:05   bill granaries and put down a few roads [TS]

00:32:07   and then over time it adds gameplay [TS]

00:32:09   elements a little at a time until you've [TS]

00:32:10   got a dozen cities in a hundred units in [TS]

00:32:13   this gigantic network of railroads I [TS]

00:32:16   used to play this a lot in college and [TS]

00:32:18   when somebody was over drinking beers [TS]

00:32:19   I'd say hey I've got this really cool [TS]

00:32:22   computer game you should check out and I [TS]

00:32:24   was always amazed even my dumbest [TS]

00:32:26   friends but sometimes get sucked in and [TS]

00:32:29   they end up playing for like 10 hours [TS]

00:32:30   and i have to kick them out like five in [TS]

00:32:32   the morning all right it's time to go [TS]

00:32:33   home dude [TS]

00:32:33   so in and it's still it still works [TS]

00:32:37   wonderfully on me to that there have [TS]

00:32:39   been i think five total now although i [TS]

00:32:41   think the first is the simplest and [TS]

00:32:43   probably for that reason the best [TS]

00:32:45   they've kind of added i think a few too [TS]

00:32:48   many complexities to the later models if [TS]

00:32:51   two is probably about as good because [TS]

00:32:54   they didn't change a lot in that [TS]

00:32:55   but really just a fantastic game and [TS]

00:32:58   certainly the best that i have ever [TS]

00:33:01   personally played nice i played civ 3i [TS]

00:33:07   think for a little while and I proof i [TS]

00:33:11   proved your selection I'd nobody else is [TS]

00:33:13   saying anything that I think you're [TS]

00:33:14   terrible i played civ net which i [TS]

00:33:17   believe was the original civ but with [TS]

00:33:19   you know vague early early web-based you [TS]

00:33:22   know multiplayer mode built into it I [TS]

00:33:25   remember some version of said completely [TS]

00:33:27   taking over my social group for about [TS]

00:33:29   six months where we were just playing it [TS]

00:33:31   constantly [TS]

00:33:33   huh and then we managed to kick it [TS]

00:33:34   somehow hit rock bottom [TS]

00:33:37   he the disc broke something like that up [TS]

00:33:39   it's got its it's got its hooks in me [TS]

00:33:41   maybe just talking about it i want to [TS]

00:33:43   break i have i've been playing a lot of [TS]

00:33:44   civ4 evolution on the xbox 360 because [TS]

00:33:47   it was free revolutions fun it's very [TS]

00:33:49   simplified it they dumb it down for the [TS]

00:33:51   xbox but it is fun and you know it's a [TS]

00:33:53   free game that I've probably put you [TS]

00:33:55   know 50 or 60 hours into it so you know [TS]

00:33:57   you can get on your iPad by the way and [TS]

00:33:58   it's pretty it's pretty good port i [TS]

00:34:01   recommend it for people who are [TS]

00:34:02   interested and want to kind of get into [TS]

00:34:03   a simplified version [TS]

00:34:05   well so there's still lots we won't be [TS]

00:34:06   seeing him again for another four weeks [TS]

00:34:08   he's going to play civilization that's [TS]

00:34:09   right i'm glad this is going so fast we [TS]

00:34:13   might get one round in John Sarah time [TS]

00:34:15   so that's your turn [TS]

00:34:16   it's making me read it's making me [TS]

00:34:17   reconsider my entire pictures taken so [TS]

00:34:19   long yeah although if you thought [TS]

00:34:21   putting me towards the end of the order [TS]

00:34:22   to make me not have an introductory [TS]

00:34:23   statement you're wrong but it will be [TS]

00:34:25   for haha hey hey I was looking for it is [TS]

00:34:28   it really introductory a minute 40 it's [TS]

00:34:30   a framing device since i'm about to go [TS]

00:34:32   on like three weeks of travel and in [TS]

00:34:34   front of bank episodes desperately i'm [TS]

00:34:36   sort of sitting back and thinking [TS]

00:34:37   alright two-part episode great release [TS]

00:34:42   of travel are you sailing to the new [TS]

00:34:43   world [TS]

00:34:44   go ahead John unlike the console game [TS]

00:34:47   draft there's not like four in my mind [TS]

00:34:50   is like a clear winner just seems like [TS]

00:34:51   this so many more computer games maybe [TS]

00:34:53   that's not true but it seems that way [TS]

00:34:54   like the diversity and so many different [TS]

00:34:56   you know it is when I think of computer [TS]

00:34:58   games it wasn't easy for me to say oh I [TS]

00:35:00   know exactly what to pick one two three [TS]

00:35:01   four five and so I said maybe instead of [TS]

00:35:05   trying to pick the best or like the most [TS]

00:35:06   important games like it's become very 64 [TS]

00:35:09   and me an ocarina of time somethin good [TS]

00:35:10   i'm gonna try to draft games that are [TS]

00:35:12   the most meaningful to me and I also [TS]

00:35:14   felt some pressure to represent format [TS]

00:35:18   gaming because I figured most a lot of [TS]

00:35:20   people on this podcast will not [TS]

00:35:21   represent maybe Jason I got some you [TS]

00:35:23   don't represent the the the mac gamers [TS]

00:35:26   the people but it's not just people who [TS]

00:35:28   have macs and play games with people who [TS]

00:35:29   weren't allowed to have anything else I [TS]

00:35:31   wasn't a lot of game consoles it didn't [TS]

00:35:32   have a pc the mac was all i had so i [TS]

00:35:34   definitely feel I need to to represent [TS]

00:35:38   gaming yeah this is good that I hear the [TS]

00:35:39   five by five network is really hostile [TS]

00:35:41   to the whole you know Mac user [TS]

00:35:42   environment mac gamers mac gamers yes [TS]

00:35:44   there are rare breed but before I [TS]

00:35:47   embarked on those pics since nothing [TS]

00:35:49   scientific that already i am I have [TS]

00:35:51   boosted one pic to the top of my order [TS]

00:35:53   which I assume someone else would pick [TS]

00:35:54   which is better than every game is [TS]

00:35:56   talking about so far and that is [TS]

00:35:57   portable [TS]

00:35:58   no not true portal yes I'll come on dude [TS]

00:36:00   to demo [TS]

00:36:02   oh yeah it was great i played it on this [TS]

00:36:03   thing called the xbox 360 to check out [TS]

00:36:05   haha [TS]

00:36:06   this isn't a demo draft John now it also [TS]

00:36:09   the portal was a packing game as part of [TS]

00:36:11   the orange box like just kind of I key i [TS]

00:36:13   don't know if they thought it was like a [TS]

00:36:14   side or a little bonus hey you could [TS]

00:36:17   have life you get team fortress and I [TS]

00:36:18   saw the game called portal or whatever [TS]

00:36:19   and very quickly portal became the most [TS]

00:36:22   important thing in the orange box and [TS]

00:36:25   like I know plenty of people who bought [TS]

00:36:27   that and just didn't play anything [TS]

00:36:28   except for portal on their portal was [TS]

00:36:30   first person games kinda like a puzzle [TS]

00:36:32   game simple mechanic of making a one [TS]

00:36:34   opening here when opening their good you [TS]

00:36:36   go in one portal you come out the other [TS]

00:36:37   the game teaches you it's mechanic very [TS]

00:36:40   simply and slowly it it does everything [TS]

00:36:42   you can imagine it's useful to do with [TS]

00:36:44   that mechanic and and that sounds like a [TS]

00:36:48   fine sounds like a packet know whatever [TS]

00:36:49   silly party when you saw the demos you [TS]

00:36:51   like I was kind of a clever idea but [TS]

00:36:52   whatever how they gonna make a game out [TS]

00:36:53   of that the secret the secret sauce was [TS]

00:36:56   an amazing story and I setting and a [TS]

00:37:00   gameplay experience that was not like [TS]

00:37:02   running around with a gun sticking out [TS]

00:37:03   in front of shooting everything and it [TS]

00:37:05   really was a story that you got into and [TS]

00:37:07   there wasn't much to it like there was a [TS]

00:37:08   voice over there was characters the [TS]

00:37:10   environment is kind of a character but [TS]

00:37:11   that whole story of Gladys and and the [TS]

00:37:15   the facility that you were trapped in [TS]

00:37:17   and your predicament built to I thought [TS]

00:37:20   is the best ending that I've ever played [TS]

00:37:21   of it [TS]

00:37:22   a computer game and it only works if [TS]

00:37:25   you've played the game and gotten good [TS]

00:37:27   at all the mechanics because any sort of [TS]

00:37:29   finale your boss battle can be [TS]

00:37:30   frustrating if you're trying to play [TS]

00:37:32   through it and fighting against the [TS]

00:37:34   mechanic or keep dying or whatever but [TS]

00:37:35   half-life it are not half-life portal is [TS]

00:37:38   an easy enough game i think for the [TS]

00:37:40   average gamer but by the time you get to [TS]

00:37:41   that final level you can beat it on the [TS]

00:37:43   first try and you can hit every single [TS]

00:37:45   storey be like it's that beautiful [TS]

00:37:46   moment where you and the author of the [TS]

00:37:50   game are in sync and during does this is [TS]

00:37:53   well I think and what they expect you to [TS]

00:37:56   be doing you're doing their voice your [TS]

00:37:58   music cues happen exactly the time [TS]

00:37:59   they're supposed to happen you react to [TS]

00:38:01   them and the way you're supposed to [TS]

00:38:01   react to them you do the things like [TS]

00:38:03   it's all comes together it's gonna get [TS]

00:38:04   dance between the author of the game far [TS]

00:38:06   back in time and you playing the game [TS]

00:38:08   right now and I still think about that [TS]

00:38:10   finale and like all the different sound [TS]

00:38:12   clips that were played in the things i [TS]

00:38:13   did and the panic i felt and the fact [TS]

00:38:16   that I didn't you know I didn't have to [TS]

00:38:17   retry it over and over again that just [TS]

00:38:19   sailed right through it was just such an [TS]

00:38:21   amazing experience like the whole [TS]

00:38:23   learning curve the ramp the little twist [TS]

00:38:25   in the middle culminating in the final [TS]

00:38:26   boss battle and I was just blown away by [TS]

00:38:29   it and of course I got portal 2 and and [TS]

00:38:30   arguably portal two is a more [TS]

00:38:31   accomplished game but portal one you [TS]

00:38:33   know the same reason you pick half life [TS]

00:38:35   instead of half life 2 right they're [TS]

00:38:36   both great games and arguably half-life [TS]

00:38:38   2 is a better game if you look in [TS]

00:38:39   isolation but the first one gets it in [TS]

00:38:41   this case portal is my pic you didn't [TS]

00:38:45   see my three favorite things about the [TS]

00:38:47   game which are the companion cube the [TS]

00:38:50   voice acting for GLaDOS and the song at [TS]

00:38:52   the end all of which are like that just [TS]

00:38:56   that song alone gives it a better [TS]

00:38:57   soundtrack than ninety-five percent of [TS]

00:38:59   computer games [TS]

00:39:00   well that's like that's like your reward [TS]

00:39:02   at the end if you are a crazy John to [TS]

00:39:03   cultivate like I am and it's a wonderful [TS]

00:39:05   song that has that has a life outside of [TS]

00:39:08   his you know his fandom of his music or [TS]

00:39:11   whatever but that rolls over the credits [TS]

00:39:12   right during the rest of the game yes [TS]

00:39:14   that the voice acting very different [TS]

00:39:15   voice acting for everything for the [TS]

00:39:17   turrets 22 Gladys yourself that it's [TS]

00:39:19   just it's all amazing and like the ques [TS]

00:39:21   line up nicely you never feel like [TS]

00:39:23   you're it's like a repeated sound worse [TS]

00:39:24   they're playing a sound clip over and [TS]

00:39:26   over again like an RTS is when you click [TS]

00:39:28   on the unit says something stupid thing [TS]

00:39:29   and drives you crazy [TS]

00:39:31   that never happens in this game it feels [TS]

00:39:32   told the organic tomato [TS]

00:39:33   that's true there's just enough turrets [TS]

00:39:35   so it's fun when you get one that says I [TS]

00:39:38   don't hate you as you kill it for little [TS]

00:39:41   turret and in the time we've discussed [TS]

00:39:44   it you could have played through the [TS]

00:39:45   entire that haha not getting a great [TS]

00:39:47   game it is very short [TS]

00:39:48   I mean I did play it in one sitting you [TS]

00:39:51   know the first time I ever played it i [TS]

00:39:52   think i played in two sittings took me [TS]

00:39:54   about two or three hours maybe but it [TS]

00:39:56   did you know it was it was one of the [TS]

00:39:58   deciding factors and me going out and [TS]

00:39:59   getting a 360 didn't start as a student [TS]

00:40:02   project right it wasn't narbacular drop [TS]

00:40:05   print in the original version you could [TS]

00:40:08   shoot portals through portals and they [TS]

00:40:10   took that out because that I think that [TS]

00:40:12   made things very confused now John did [TS]

00:40:13   you know you mentioned the website old [TS]

00:40:15   man Murray before [TS]

00:40:16   did you know that the writers of that [TS]

00:40:17   website where the writers for portal I [TS]

00:40:19   did you down for some games three hours [TS]

00:40:22   is the right like they don't have to be [TS]

00:40:23   a civilization [TS]

00:40:25   I'm not disagree with that i think [TS]

00:40:27   that's that's that's a good quality in a [TS]

00:40:29   game like there's a lot of games to play [TS]

00:40:30   more recently that I've like yeah I [TS]

00:40:32   don't want to downplay 40 hours of game [TS]

00:40:33   right now I want to play like a game the [TS]

00:40:35   last couple hours [TS]

00:40:36   yeah thnkx Skyrim but I don't want to [TS]

00:40:37   run over that mountain again they've [TS]

00:40:39   gone through all the mechanics by the [TS]

00:40:41   time you've done that you've done all [TS]

00:40:42   the mechanics you can do they like you [TS]

00:40:43   don't want to go okay now what do 17 [TS]

00:40:45   levels where I use this particular trick [TS]

00:40:47   to it with the portals once you learn [TS]

00:40:48   the trick once you don't need to like [TS]

00:40:49   prove it to them over and over again and [TS]

00:40:51   the story comes to a reasonable [TS]

00:40:53   conclusion and there's the little sort [TS]

00:40:54   of the twist and it gives you the rest [TS]

00:40:56   of the gameplay which I don't know if [TS]

00:40:58   it's half of the gameplay but it feels [TS]

00:40:59   like a breaking point and then you're [TS]

00:41:01   onto something different and it has a [TS]

00:41:03   satisfying ending we put all games going [TS]

00:41:05   to teach you how to play the game but [TS]

00:41:07   portals particular successful in [TS]

00:41:08   teaching you how to play Portal and then [TS]

00:41:10   letting you enjoy that once it kind of [TS]

00:41:11   lets you go [TS]

00:41:12   although i've had many non gamer I've [TS]

00:41:14   tried to make many non gamers play [TS]

00:41:15   portal and portal teaches gamer gamers [TS]

00:41:17   that apply the game it is it's it's a [TS]

00:41:20   kind of you think wow it teaches you how [TS]

00:41:21   to play the game and you put a non-gamer [TS]

00:41:23   infirmary said no no it doesn't i feel [TS]

00:41:26   like there's a part pretty early on [TS]

00:41:27   where you like spin multiple ways and [TS]

00:41:29   it's like that's gonna make anyone who [TS]

00:41:30   hasn't logged a hundred hours in front [TS]

00:41:32   of an SPS nauseous you know you need the [TS]

00:41:34   right kind of spatial thinking yeah you [TS]

00:41:37   know you need to spend a hundred hours [TS]

00:41:39   playing do more have been an astronaut [TS]

00:41:41   Kaiser [TS]

00:41:41   I was both my marathon qualified me as a [TS]

00:41:46   marathon time [TS]

00:41:47   alright John that's a good one that was [TS]

00:41:49   on my list i had 13 things on my list in [TS]

00:41:51   the first round so far only one was [TS]

00:41:53   taken and that was portal so good job [TS]

00:41:56   ah my pick is going to be a computer [TS]

00:41:59   game although it has been on many other [TS]

00:42:01   platforms as well i think it can [TS]

00:42:03   it was developed for the everybody's [TS]

00:42:05   favorite computer platform the [TS]

00:42:06   electronic a 60 then ported to the [TS]

00:42:08   Commodore 64 it was invented 1984 it is [TS]

00:42:12   one of my favorite computer games of all [TS]

00:42:14   time it is tetris come on Ted res who [TS]

00:42:20   has a mac game right and well I played [TS]

00:42:22   it on the mac it was it's an everything [TS]

00:42:25   game i played it on the mac that i will [TS]

00:42:28   tell you my college years [TS]

00:42:30   Iseman more time playing tetris on my [TS]

00:42:32   mac than writing papers a lot more a lot [TS]

00:42:37   more my boss early on in my career who I [TS]

00:42:42   would come into her office and find your [TS]

00:42:44   playing Tetris and have to shame her [TS]

00:42:46   into getting back to doing her job was [TS]

00:42:48   an interesting welcome to the working [TS]

00:42:49   world but you know writers week [TS]

00:42:51   sometimes we have to put our brain [TS]

00:42:54   somewhere else for a little while until [TS]

00:42:56   inspiration strikes i still play tetris [TS]

00:42:59   i love it i'm not really satisfied with [TS]

00:43:01   Tetris on touch devices it I it doesn't [TS]

00:43:04   work as well I think you really need the [TS]

00:43:05   keyboard or you know a bunch of buttons [TS]

00:43:08   that you can hit in that space bar [TS]

00:43:09   dropping the the Tetris pieces to the [TS]

00:43:12   bottom of the screen fantastic crazy [TS]

00:43:14   crazy music that I love and if you [TS]

00:43:18   haven't looked many college marching [TS]

00:43:20   bands have done [TS]

00:43:21   tetris performances where portions of [TS]

00:43:24   the band form various falling Tetris [TS]

00:43:26   pieces as they play the music from [TS]

00:43:27   tetris so i had to pick it [TS]

00:43:30   I can't believe it's still there i had a [TS]

00:43:31   moment of revelation yesterday where [TS]

00:43:33   that oh that's what my pic should be it [TS]

00:43:35   should be tetris so I got Tetris i'm [TS]

00:43:37   going to waste my time playing tetris [TS]

00:43:38   too bad for all of you to go [TS]

00:43:40   tetris time for a very brief break to [TS]

00:43:43   talk about our sponsor in this episode [TS]

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00:43:53   cool it is an all-in-one [TS]

00:43:55   platform that makes it fast and easy to [TS]

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00:44:03   the internet you want to build a website [TS]

00:44:05   you want to show off your work on a [TS]

00:44:07   portfolio you want to sell stuff it's [TS]

00:44:09   hard you gotta register domain you gotta [TS]

00:44:11   build web pages and templates and do [TS]

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00:44:27   code smell sent me five at checkout snow [TS]

00:44:32   sent me on the number 5 making a better [TS]

00:44:34   web starts with your website and that [TS]

00:44:36   starts with squarespace you know it's [TS]

00:44:39   hard i've been building websites since [TS]

00:44:41   the nineties and boy I wish I had [TS]

00:44:42   something like Squarespace back then [TS]

00:44:43   because you have to build every single [TS]

00:44:45   page yourself you're you're in the code [TS]

00:44:47   digging around you've got to make [TS]

00:44:48   multiple versions and variations of [TS]

00:44:50   templates and knowing the codes I'm not [TS]

00:44:52   gonna make it pretty standard on the web [TS]

00:44:55   today are even higher than they were [TS]

00:44:56   back in the old times when I was dating [TS]

00:44:59   websites with my hands and I liked it [TS]

00:45:01   and went uphill both ways it's easier [TS]

00:45:03   now one of the reasons it's easier now [TS]

00:45:05   is because the squarespace because they [TS]

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00:45:25   mobile devices and devices with big [TS]

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00:45:40   responsive design the brand-new commerce [TS]

00:45:43   system this do online store every site [TS]

00:45:45   can have an online store it's easy its [TS]

00:45:48   built-in and plans started eight dollars [TS]

00:45:51   a month and includes that domain name i [TS]

00:45:54   mentioned a free domain name is yours if [TS]

00:45:57   you sign up for a year up front they'll [TS]

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00:46:51   your website i think one of my favorite [TS]

00:46:53   tetris moments was they had a version of [TS]

00:46:55   Tetris for the nintendo dsi that [TS]

00:46:57   actually had a multiplayer mode whereas [TS]

00:46:59   you would complete stuff it would drop [TS]

00:47:00   lines on other people and the number of [TS]

00:47:02   a person but the DA's is that [TS]

00:47:04   yeah for the nintendo DS are making us [TS]

00:47:05   feel old man that mode slightly predates [TS]

00:47:08   the s just a little while yet but people [TS]

00:47:10   to play at lan parties with a nintendo [TS]

00:47:11   des [TS]

00:47:12   you don't need a LAN party for the [TS]

00:47:13   nintendo des doesn't need a lamb [TS]

00:47:15   actually it did the first version of it [TS]

00:47:19   before it had any kind of friends [TS]

00:47:20   friends social stuff here you're [TS]

00:47:22   thinking of the dsi which was the iOS [TS]

00:47:24   four injured [TS]

00:47:25   yeah there you go see I'm talking just [TS]

00:47:26   nintendo des alright so uh we have we [TS]

00:47:29   have to we have time for half around now [TS]

00:47:31   let's let's argue more about the [TS]

00:47:35   nintendo DS technical specification yeah [TS]

00:47:38   but please yeah that really excites me [TS]

00:47:40   dan moore and wake up a back around to [TS]

00:47:44   the top [TS]

00:47:45   god I've had a great nap good sitting [TS]

00:47:47   here playing games on my Pavley alright [TS]

00:47:49   yeah so jon jon was making noises about [TS]

00:47:52   a mac gaming so i think i'll pick a mac [TS]

00:47:54   game for my next one I shave you and I [TS]

00:47:57   huh [TS]

00:47:57   no I mean it was on my list I just I you [TS]

00:48:00   know I now I'm worried he might try to [TS]

00:48:01   stake it i don't know i'm gonna pick I [TS]

00:48:03   played a lot of games growing up and a [TS]

00:48:05   lot of those games were made by ambrosia [TS]

00:48:07   the venerable mac software maker who I [TS]

00:48:11   think now is basically out of business [TS]

00:48:12   but the one that I have the fondest [TS]

00:48:16   memory of is escape velocity which is a [TS]

00:48:19   fantastic space [TS]

00:48:22   Adventure trading / you know combat [TS]

00:48:28   space game you buy a little spaceship [TS]

00:48:30   start your space shuttle and you fly [TS]

00:48:32   around you move goods back and forth for [TS]

00:48:33   a while and you can afford a better ship [TS]

00:48:35   as you go along you might encounter [TS]

00:48:36   pirates and later versions the games [TS]

00:48:38   rebels and there's all these different [TS]

00:48:42   plots you can sort of get sucked into [TS]

00:48:43   it's got kind of a not quite a text [TS]

00:48:45   adventure but it does have that sort of [TS]

00:48:46   almost like point-and-click adventure [TS]

00:48:48   element to it and this is another one of [TS]

00:48:51   those games i used to play sort of [TS]

00:48:53   collaboratively with friends to the [TS]

00:48:55   point where the more recent years I've [TS]

00:48:57   revisited and we have like my friends I [TS]

00:48:59   will accept like the spreadsheet so we [TS]

00:49:00   can like figure out like all right if we [TS]

00:49:01   buy this good like really cheap here can [TS]

00:49:04   we sell it here and it doesn't make [TS]

00:49:05   sense like we're gonna spend too much [TS]

00:49:06   money and fuel jumping back and forth [TS]

00:49:08   bunch of times and you can upgrade your [TS]

00:49:11   ship if you want you can even acquire [TS]

00:49:12   like an entire fleet of ships i don't i [TS]

00:49:15   don't know if i ever technically beat [TS]

00:49:17   the any of these games there are three [TS]

00:49:19   of them but like they did definitely [TS]

00:49:22   suck up a ton of time because you could [TS]

00:49:24   put it like so much time to like jumping [TS]

00:49:26   back and forth between like two [TS]

00:49:27   different systems to embrace all this [TS]

00:49:29   money to like make like trick out your [TS]

00:49:31   ship in this awesome awesome way [TS]

00:49:32   although as I did was discussing this [TS]

00:49:34   game with Tony a couple a few days ago [TS]

00:49:37   pointing out that like you who is very [TS]

00:49:38   possible that you could get like either [TS]

00:49:40   run out of fuel in some totally [TS]

00:49:42   uninhabited system and start trying to [TS]

00:49:43   like beg people for fuel as they came [TS]

00:49:45   past which didn't always work great [TS]

00:49:47   or that like you started your [TS]

00:49:48   shuttlecraft and a hot got a great new [TS]

00:49:50   shower curtain just someone just blow [TS]

00:49:51   you up [TS]

00:49:52   we all do we always have to invest in an [TS]

00:49:54   escape pod like first thing you did but [TS]

00:49:57   it was very it was a sprite based game [TS]

00:49:58   and you can actually remember in the [TS]

00:50:00   first version i had you could go into [TS]

00:50:01   resident and you could start changing [TS]

00:50:03   colors and all this right so my friends [TS]

00:50:05   and I started trying to build an [TS]

00:50:06   expansion at one point which was very [TS]

00:50:07   very in-depth we're like programming all [TS]

00:50:10   the strings and making like we couldn't [TS]

00:50:12   really makes right so we just take the [TS]

00:50:13   sprites and change the colors but we [TS]

00:50:15   thought that was the awesomest thing in [TS]

00:50:16   the world and it's it's a lot of fun i [TS]

00:50:20   really i really want someone to remake [TS]

00:50:21   it for the iPad because there are there [TS]

00:50:24   are similar games but it seems so [TS]

00:50:26   obvious right because its touch base [TS]

00:50:28   like its top down is touch bases a [TS]

00:50:29   static screen it's right there right [TS]

00:50:31   yeah I would love to play that game [TS]

00:50:32   again on the ipad [TS]

00:50:33   I always wanted a version with [TS]

00:50:35   multiplayer I realized that would [TS]

00:50:36   probably have been kind of challenging [TS]

00:50:38   but I loved the idea of it as I mean [TS]

00:50:39   before you know things like mmos existed [TS]

00:50:42   this idea that you have this fast [TS]

00:50:44   universe and that somewhere out there [TS]

00:50:45   someone else might be flying there [TS]

00:50:46   little shuttlecraft around for the first [TS]

00:50:47   time so fantastic game if you haven't [TS]

00:50:50   played it i think it I think at least [TS]

00:50:52   Ivanova still runs on OS 10 i don't [TS]

00:50:54   remember if a backboard the original [TS]

00:50:56   versions to run without the classic [TS]

00:50:59   environment but fun super fun games [TS]

00:51:02   shareware did you ever get the star wars [TS]

00:51:04   fought for it [TS]

00:51:05   I remember it I I probably downloaded it [TS]

00:51:08   have a star star destroyer with explains [TS]

00:51:10   that came out it was unbelievable yes [TS]

00:51:12   yes I did have that it was pretty great [TS]

00:51:15   yeah there are a lot of great models for [TS]

00:51:16   those are pretty cool so yeah I don't [TS]

00:51:19   know I that's one of my fondest memories [TS]

00:51:21   of mac games ever and i played it i mean [TS]

00:51:23   i think so even know which i think is [TS]

00:51:25   the most complete of them came out in [TS]

00:51:26   2002 but the earliest one came out when [TS]

00:51:28   I was still in high school I think so [TS]

00:51:30   have my little postcard somewhere still [TS]

00:51:32   which has my license code on it [TS]

00:51:34   very nice escape velocity Mac game good [TS]

00:51:37   good looking better now [TS]

00:51:39   Monty pick another text adventure or [TS]

00:51:41   something else I had decided not to pick [TS]

00:51:43   all text adventures [TS]

00:51:45   hello that was certainly an option [TS]

00:51:47   tempting yes [TS]

00:51:48   instead i'm going with a great game one [TS]

00:51:50   they may have played more than any other [TS]

00:51:52   computer game it's been mentioned a [TS]

00:51:54   couple times already is doom very [TS]

00:51:59   similar to trinity yes except instead of [TS]

00:52:04   figuring out how to conceal yourself [TS]

00:52:07   inside a frozen soap bubble you are [TS]

00:52:09   running around shooting demons very [TS]

00:52:11   similar is of course a first-person [TS]

00:52:13   shooter not the first first person [TS]

00:52:15   shooter but the first really good one [TS]

00:52:17   unfortunately it didn't really have [TS]

00:52:20   three dimensions you couldn't shoot up [TS]

00:52:22   or down there things would be positioned [TS]

00:52:25   above you but nothing could go directly [TS]

00:52:28   below or above them which meant that you [TS]

00:52:30   never had to look you were never able to [TS]

00:52:32   tilt your head which means all the time [TS]

00:52:35   I spent playing doom and ruined me for [TS]

00:52:36   every other first-person shooter [TS]

00:52:38   I don't blame it on doing I blame do we [TS]

00:52:41   played it too we can never able to play [TS]

00:52:43   modern ftse's i'm just going to assume [TS]

00:52:45   you're lying and continue on [TS]

00:52:46   haha but doom introduce things like [TS]

00:52:49   death matches and level editors so [TS]

00:52:53   people could create their own doom [TS]

00:52:54   levels and also mods which of course [TS]

00:52:57   took over half life two later on and [TS]

00:53:00   cheats i don't think that god mode God [TS]

00:53:03   Mode always takes after me that's a ID [TS]

00:53:05   SP is p 0 pd if you want god mode and do [TS]

00:53:10   I remember I had a really fun mod that [TS]

00:53:13   turned everybody into simpsons [TS]

00:53:14   characters and when you shot the regular [TS]

00:53:17   demons they look like Moe and there was [TS]

00:53:20   a I'm choking on my own rage here and [TS]

00:53:22   then died it was charming i played doom [TS]

00:53:25   so much that I got to the point where i [TS]

00:53:28   would could turn off the monitor and [TS]

00:53:29   still get to a level i was into pacifist [TS]

00:53:32   mode where you have to get to the end of [TS]

00:53:35   the game without killing anything which [TS]

00:53:36   is very difficult especially on the very [TS]

00:53:40   last level where you have to kill these [TS]

00:53:41   barrels of Hell so much them to death [TS]

00:53:44   it may have been the only game i had i'm [TS]

00:53:48   not sure why if they do so much probably [TS]

00:53:51   too pretty much constantly for about two [TS]

00:53:53   years [TS]

00:53:54   wow how did the rest of the world start [TS]

00:53:57   to just look like doom [TS]

00:53:58   yes but when it was looking at trinity I [TS]

00:54:01   remember once I was driving along the [TS]

00:54:03   highway and they're a bunch of those [TS]

00:54:04   orange barrels on the side of the road [TS]

00:54:07   and I automatically changed lanes the [TS]

00:54:09   left and I were they would explode haha [TS]

00:54:13   wow you had barrels not creates creates [TS]

00:54:16   they're like they're like creates the [TS]

00:54:18   crates of doom [TS]

00:54:19   they're very much like crepes exploding [TS]

00:54:21   perils key our doom [TS]

00:54:23   that's a classic on the list it's in the [TS]

00:54:25   vault but as with crates there were two [TS]

00:54:27   varieties there were the ones that blew [TS]

00:54:28   up and then there was the ones that you [TS]

00:54:30   couldn't destroy it about what you did [TS]

00:54:31   you shoot the bfg Adam and they just sit [TS]

00:54:33   there [TS]

00:54:34   strangely the indestructible barrels [TS]

00:54:35   were the ones that were on fire the [TS]

00:54:38   barrel wasn't on fire would blow up the [TS]

00:54:40   demons from hell were a little smarter [TS]

00:54:41   they just fashion a suit of armor out of [TS]

00:54:43   flaming barrels and you'd be [TS]

00:54:44   indestructible [TS]

00:54:45   yeah when I want to say doom does have [TS]

00:54:47   technically have a plot there's yeah [TS]

00:54:50   because you're on Mars and you're on [TS]

00:54:52   Mars and they they made a movie out of [TS]

00:54:54   it [TS]

00:54:54   come on everybody has been turned into [TS]

00:54:56   demons that movie could have been [TS]

00:55:00   interesting pieces it's just how ya [TS]

00:55:02   apple cider for our episode about doing [TS]

00:55:05   the movie save that for Game Show 34 [TS]

00:55:07   defending independent album [TS]

00:55:08   oh man there better not be a video game [TS]

00:55:10   movie draft yeah [TS]

00:55:12   oh my you have to get all that [TS]

00:55:15   don't get angry raftopoulos Tony but it [TS]

00:55:18   will happen eventually that is the worst [TS]

00:55:20   idea effort [TS]

00:55:21   I mean technically everything can be [TS]

00:55:23   drafted is just should everything [TS]

00:55:25   everything should be yes that's right [TS]

00:55:28   you make a strong moral argument there [TS]

00:55:30   Tony ya aini ya you pull up the jeff [TS]

00:55:33   goldblum quote for quote from Jurassic [TS]

00:55:35   Park spent so much time thinking about [TS]

00:55:37   whether or not you good [TS]

00:55:39   Erica it's your turn okay well I i'm [TS]

00:55:43   actually gonna call an audible i just [TS]

00:55:44   added one to the list that I didn't have [TS]

00:55:46   already after John syracuse was talking [TS]

00:55:48   about mac games i remembered that my mom [TS]

00:55:51   was an elementary school music teacher [TS]

00:55:52   and was able to bring home the max used [TS]

00:55:56   at school over the summers so while we [TS]

00:55:59   didn't own a mac i actually had access [TS]

00:56:01   to one play with quite a bit when I was [TS]

00:56:03   young and one of the very simplistic [TS]

00:56:05   little games that was it was loaded on [TS]

00:56:07   there also doubles as meeting my [TS]

00:56:09   contractual Doctor Who obligation what [TS]

00:56:13   you're going to be getting mentions on [TS]

00:56:14   the podcast I'm going to pick dollar [TS]

00:56:16   works it was yes a very very simple [TS]

00:56:19   keyboard based game you had a little [TS]

00:56:23   character and you are surrounded by and [TS]

00:56:25   the first level just a very few little [TS]

00:56:27   tiny Daleks and they actually looked [TS]

00:56:28   like little alex from Doctor Who and you [TS]

00:56:31   had to move left right up down and you [TS]

00:56:34   are basically just trying to get the [TS]

00:56:35   Daleks to crash into each other because [TS]

00:56:37   apparently these Daleks are just as dumb [TS]

00:56:39   as the ones on the TV show sometimes are [TS]

00:56:41   and if you made all of the Daleks crash [TS]

00:56:44   into each other then you get to the next [TS]

00:56:45   level where there were more Daleks what [TS]

00:56:48   a reward [TS]

00:56:49   it was fantastic if they got too close [TS]

00:56:51   to you once on every level you've got to [TS]

00:56:53   use your sonic screwdriver which for [TS]

00:56:56   some reason did something to the Daleks [TS]

00:56:58   I don't know why that would be but hey [TS]

00:56:59   who cares you got rid of all the Daleks [TS]

00:57:01   that were close to you and you can kind [TS]

00:57:03   of like that's probably happened at [TS]

00:57:04   least once on the show right [TS]

00:57:05   yeah and then and then if they get too [TS]

00:57:08   close you can sort of warp yourself i [TS]

00:57:11   think it was supposed to be [TS]

00:57:13   a nod to the TARDIS although there was [TS]

00:57:15   no tardes involved and just jump to [TS]

00:57:17   another square on the board but [TS]

00:57:19   sometimes that was right next to a Dalek [TS]

00:57:21   and you would die and i spent lots and [TS]

00:57:23   lots and lots of time playing that game [TS]

00:57:25   and yeah Alex we're going i've played [TS]

00:57:29   that game before I knew enough about [TS]

00:57:31   Doctor Who other than it was the boring [TS]

00:57:32   thing on PBS that immediately change [TS]

00:57:34   channel when I saw it I had no idea i [TS]

00:57:36   had no idea that a sonic screwdriver and [TS]

00:57:38   no sense to me the game likewise to call [TS]

00:57:39   the screwdriver that makes no sense i [TS]

00:57:41   had no idea what a Dalek was nor did I [TS]

00:57:43   know how to pronounce it [TS]

00:57:44   we call the day lyrics that's adorable I [TS]

00:57:47   didn't know doctor who was it all and [TS]

00:57:49   that game made such an impression that [TS]

00:57:50   some friends of mine made like a modern [TS]

00:57:52   os10 like port of that game just because [TS]

00:57:55   they couldn't get it out of their head I [TS]

00:57:57   don't think sold very well but it's out [TS]

00:57:59   there for me the lane british science [TS]

00:58:02   fiction show that flipped past on PBS [TS]

00:58:04   was Blake's 7 which aired after Monty [TS]

00:58:06   Python I don't know if anything ever [TS]

00:58:09   happened on that show it did but it was [TS]

00:58:12   always in a quarry [TS]

00:58:13   yes I actually just finished a rewatch [TS]

00:58:16   of like seven as well [TS]

00:58:18   wow yeah oh yeah Monty you're not [TS]

00:58:21   dealing with amateurs here this is the [TS]

00:58:23   professionals [TS]

00:58:24   I I knew that I knew that you'd seen [TS]

00:58:26   I've never seen Blake's 7 actually I [TS]

00:58:28   Daleks that was according to wikipedia [TS]

00:58:30   that was originally a unix game called [TS]

00:58:32   robots and then and then and then [TS]

00:58:35   somebody said hey I got a good idea [TS]

00:58:38   does anybody know did they did was there [TS]

00:58:41   actually permission given from Terry [TS]

00:58:42   nations estate to use the the likeness [TS]

00:58:45   of the duck because I mean his estate [TS]

00:58:47   heir him at the time super litigious [TS]

00:58:49   about the use of the Daleks so I was [TS]

00:58:51   just kind of always curious about that [TS]

00:58:52   if that was legit or what is the state [TS]

00:58:55   would have to know what was happening in [TS]

00:58:56   the u.s. to actually do something about [TS]

00:58:58   it oh he knew what was happening with [TS]

00:59:00   the Daleks pretty much anywhere on the i [TS]

00:59:02   think it was on the far-off weird [TS]

00:59:05   reaches of of like shareware you know [TS]

00:59:08   trading and things and it never today [TS]

00:59:10   today it would be a bigger problem right [TS]

00:59:12   but back that it's early days computer [TS]

00:59:14   games i don't think anybody outside of [TS]

00:59:16   the the computer game field actually [TS]

00:59:17   believe they existed especially [TS]

00:59:19   especially mac games who even had a mac [TS]

00:59:22   they're all those Star Trek games that [TS]

00:59:24   you play where you [TS]

00:59:25   to net track oh yeah that's right i [TS]

00:59:28   played some metric and it was all [TS]

00:59:30   digitized star trek sounds and then they [TS]

00:59:31   did a box version that was like the [TS]

00:59:33   official version and they had to remove [TS]

00:59:34   all of the star trek sounds and make [TS]

00:59:37   their own sound effects because they [TS]

00:59:39   were afraid that now that were legit and [TS]

00:59:41   they were gonna get sued in there were [TS]

00:59:43   half a dozen arcade games that use TIE [TS]

00:59:45   fighters as an enemy type so sure [TS]

00:59:48   alright Daleks surprise pick a Mac Mac [TS]

00:59:52   game America that was not the slot that [TS]

00:59:54   I figured you would fill their it [TS]

00:59:56   surprised me too [TS]

00:59:57   you get the doctor who question so you [TS]

00:59:59   went you know [TS]

00:59:59   went you know [TS]

01:00:00   you swear you swear them into a place [TS]

01:00:02   that makes sense so that's been tony i [TS]

01:00:05   would like to draft a a game from the [TS]

01:00:07   venerable LucasArts we already mentioned [TS]

01:00:09   i would like to draft grim fandango from [TS]

01:00:12   the late nineties all Tony be doing to [TS]

01:00:16   me man i'm like you but one step ahead [TS]

01:00:18   of you also eat it left only by dice [TS]

01:00:23   roll [TS]

01:00:24   well that's that's all it takes man will [TS]

01:00:26   welcome to the real world as determined [TS]

01:00:28   by icy luckier Steve so uh Steve Hawley [TS]

01:00:33   talkin to go to but first i'm going to [TS]

01:00:34   talk about it [TS]

01:00:36   grim fandango was probably kind of the [TS]

01:00:37   last great adventure game of it was [TS]

01:00:40   certainly lacks adventure game made by [TS]

01:00:41   lucasarts who decided that even though [TS]

01:00:43   people really liked it that that genre [TS]

01:00:45   was failing my first draft of my love my [TS]

01:00:48   draft of my draft list for that for this [TS]

01:00:51   was basically all LucasArts adventure [TS]

01:00:53   games i can probably shouldn't just only [TS]

01:00:55   Draft LucasArts adventure games that if [TS]

01:00:57   anything that would be extremely [TS]

01:00:58   predictable so i chose that is kind of [TS]

01:01:00   the last big one that was put together [TS]

01:01:01   but i love i love many LucasArts [TS]

01:01:04   adventure games i simply pick that one [TS]

01:01:06   is the last one grim fandango is great [TS]

01:01:09   you should go out and play it right now [TS]

01:01:10   let me tell you want it from fandango [TS]

01:01:12   merges film noir with a graphic [TS]

01:01:16   adventure games which are all based on [TS]

01:01:17   the idea of you explore worlds and you [TS]

01:01:18   find objects and you combine them [TS]

01:01:20   together to solve puzzles [TS]

01:01:21   I like puzzle games a lot like puzzles [TS]

01:01:23   grim fandango is set in this very kind [TS]

01:01:25   of weird [TS]

01:01:27   film-noir / mexican day of the dead [TS]

01:01:29   world where you play Manny calavera who [TS]

01:01:32   is kind of a grim reaper but also a [TS]

01:01:34   travel agent for the dead [TS]

01:01:36   basically when you die in the world of [TS]

01:01:38   grim fandango you show up in kind of [TS]

01:01:40   this purgatory type world and a travel [TS]

01:01:42   agent tries to sell you a ticket to get [TS]

01:01:44   to your final reward and depending on [TS]

01:01:46   how good you've been and you know your [TS]

01:01:48   travel agent as you get different modes [TS]

01:01:50   of transportation many calavera figures [TS]

01:01:52   out that there's like a conspiracy where [TS]

01:01:54   people are being trick cheated out of [TS]

01:01:56   their just rewards and goes on a film [TS]

01:01:58   noir exploration to try and find you [TS]

01:02:00   know the conspiracy and the organized [TS]

01:02:04   crime bosses behind it along the way he [TS]

01:02:06   has to open up a nightclub because it's [TS]

01:02:08   from more inspired and he travels with a [TS]

01:02:11   speed demon named Gladys [TS]

01:02:13   clients interacts with all these kind of [TS]

01:02:15   weird strange a day of the dead skeletal [TS]

01:02:19   creatures and yeah Steve say something [TS]

01:02:23   yeah I call grim fandango the pinnacle [TS]

01:02:25   of of adventure gaming I i haven't [TS]

01:02:28   played a game better in the adventure [TS]

01:02:30   realm [TS]

01:02:31   the setting is great the plot is [TS]

01:02:33   fantastic the music is wonderful the art [TS]

01:02:36   design is amazing as Tony said it's all [TS]

01:02:38   based on Mexican Day of the Dead so you [TS]

01:02:41   know you were a Calaca walking around [TS]

01:02:42   here there's a if you're familiar with [TS]

01:02:45   the did the deal somewhere to us sort of [TS]

01:02:47   carved figures that look like skulls and [TS]

01:02:49   always have a lot of flowers and things [TS]

01:02:50   autumn hilarious voice performances [TS]

01:02:54   especially by tony plana plays mani [TS]

01:02:56   there's a sequence at the end where your [TS]

01:03:00   trusty sidekick is ailing and it makes [TS]

01:03:02   you weep bitterly which is always a plus [TS]

01:03:05   yeah it's just utterly superb Tim [TS]

01:03:08   Schafer's defining achievement I think [TS]

01:03:10   and its really a pity that it's not [TS]

01:03:13   better known and it's it's not been [TS]

01:03:16   remade because I i think a lot of the [TS]

01:03:18   problem was basically worked there sort [TS]

01:03:20   of tweaking the interface and trying to [TS]

01:03:21   come up with a way that they could make [TS]

01:03:22   the interface utterly disappear into the [TS]

01:03:24   game world so they had you instead of [TS]

01:03:26   clicking and pointing which everybody's [TS]

01:03:28   used to do they have you walking around [TS]

01:03:29   the arrow keys and you had to watch for [TS]

01:03:31   his head to turn to find the hot spots [TS]

01:03:33   in the game and that was I think a bit [TS]

01:03:35   more than a lot of people willing to [TS]

01:03:36   chew and in order to get your stuff out [TS]

01:03:39   of your inventory you actually had to [TS]

01:03:41   watch him pull one thing at a time out [TS]

01:03:42   of his best pocket [TS]

01:03:44   it's got pretty old when you had 30 [TS]

01:03:46   things in there so especially could have [TS]

01:03:48   for some reason there was like an early [TS]

01:03:50   on there was a clown that you could talk [TS]

01:03:51   to who would make balloon animals [TS]

01:03:53   versions of poets and I think you would [TS]

01:03:55   be carrying them around for yes and you [TS]

01:03:57   have like a kitty and then you have like [TS]

01:03:59   Robert Frost and I think that writing [TS]

01:04:01   pigeons is Robert Frost [TS]

01:04:03   yeah you can have like five of them and [TS]

01:04:04   if you can use them you were just [TS]

01:04:06   carrying around the rest of the game so [TS]

01:04:08   you cycle through your inventory every [TS]

01:04:09   time you like Robert Frost it's like I'm [TS]

01:04:11   never going to use this game it's cooked [TS]

01:04:13   it's weeks when you pull it out it [TS]

01:04:14   actually go to earth so it's w/e but [TS]

01:04:18   great story are great puzzles as far as [TS]

01:04:20   adventure games go amazing graphics and [TS]

01:04:24   it's kind of sad that it didn't do very [TS]

01:04:26   well [TS]

01:04:26   I'll and lucasarts basically decided [TS]

01:04:28   that adventure games were kind of dead [TS]

01:04:30   as a genre and they they pulled out of [TS]

01:04:32   that because they those some of my [TS]

01:04:35   favorite games of all times our [TS]

01:04:36   adventure games of my list of you know [TS]

01:04:38   ten computer games for my draft I've got [TS]

01:04:40   like four adventure games on there so by [TS]

01:04:44   the way if you can find the disc [TS]

01:04:45   somebody has made in the vein of scummvm [TS]

01:04:47   which is used for the earlier LucasArts [TS]

01:04:49   games there's something called residual [TS]

01:04:51   vm which will play both grim fandango [TS]

01:04:53   into a lesser extent escape from monkey [TS]

01:04:55   island so it's it's fairly easy to play [TS]

01:04:58   you just have to get your hands on a [TS]

01:04:59   disk and they fixed some of the [TS]

01:05:03   interface issues as well there's their [TS]

01:05:05   various hacks that kind of fix some of [TS]

01:05:07   the bugs that were left lingering in the [TS]

01:05:08   game so good way to go because we're [TS]

01:05:11   just fans of monkey island that thing [TS]

01:05:13   gets released all the time it's on xbox [TS]

01:05:15   live arcade that game is great go play [TS]

01:05:18   that now [TS]

01:05:19   alright i'm just worried they're gonna [TS]

01:05:21   give me a flattop in the release i live [TS]

01:05:25   not too far from somewhere LucasArts [TS]

01:05:27   used to be but now it's not there [TS]

01:05:28   anymore or anywhere really office there [TS]

01:05:32   that handles like contracts licensing [TS]

01:05:34   agreements i visited when they were [TS]

01:05:36   business i visited them once in and that [TS]

01:05:38   every time I Drive past I drove past [TS]

01:05:39   there like two days ago I was like yeah [TS]

01:05:41   that's that's where was it's not there [TS]

01:05:43   anymore [TS]

01:05:44   I different to work for Lucas games or [TS]

01:05:46   look starts and he took me to the July [TS]

01:05:48   fourth party at Skywalker Ranch in there [TS]

01:05:52   too [TS]

01:05:52   yeah not bad when i went to Skywalker [TS]

01:05:55   Ranch tim burton was at the next table [TS]

01:05:57   he was doing the sound editing from mars [TS]

01:05:58   attacks and find if I'd known I couldn't [TS]

01:06:01   leaped over the table and you know [TS]

01:06:03   killed him or something [TS]

01:06:05   wow you really sound design in that I [TS]

01:06:09   yes that's that was my problem with the [TS]

01:06:11   sounds like he just he's just a guy [TS]

01:06:13   doing a job Jason you have you seen Mars [TS]

01:06:15   Attacks it's really bad anyway it is [TS]

01:06:18   anyway it [TS]

01:06:19   yeah do people have to die you think [TS]

01:06:21   people need to answer for that there [TS]

01:06:23   needs to be a tribunal but to your [TS]

01:06:24   earlier point Tony I mommy I want to [TS]

01:06:27   grow up and be in video games old you [TS]

01:06:29   want to be a programmer and designer [TS]

01:06:30   know i would i'm interested in getting [TS]

01:06:32   into the licensing of intellectual [TS]

01:06:34   property anyway Steve it's your turn and [TS]

01:06:39   you can't pick grimphantom [TS]

01:06:40   mango or half life going after tony is [TS]

01:06:43   sort of like getting two pics around no [TS]

01:06:45   it's this is not right all right uh [TS]

01:06:48   let's see i got roughly 30 games on my [TS]

01:06:50   ass like I don't think i'm going to get [TS]

01:06:52   to I don't think so all right so I'm [TS]

01:06:54   gonna leave to this one this is a this [TS]

01:06:57   is more recent this is 2000-2002 it's [TS]

01:06:59   the Elder Scrolls three moral wind the [TS]

01:07:03   reason i picked more when this is the [TS]

01:07:05   RPG that I dreamed about from the moment [TS]

01:07:08   i played my first PCM it's just this [TS]

01:07:11   unbelievably open world and you're given [TS]

01:07:14   free reign of it there's this amazing [TS]

01:07:16   moment at the beginning of the game [TS]

01:07:18   where you you've gotten off this prison [TS]

01:07:19   ship you've wandered through this [TS]

01:07:21   administration building which acts as [TS]

01:07:23   the character generation tool the whole [TS]

01:07:25   thing is fairly linear it's basically [TS]

01:07:26   standard RPG kind of stuff and then they [TS]

01:07:29   dump you into the village of Satan mean [TS]

01:07:31   and they say have fun [TS]

01:07:32   you're on your own enjoy and so you're [TS]

01:07:34   in this this well-realized beautiful [TS]

01:07:37   very alien world that's not you know [TS]

01:07:40   overly indebted to the sort of standard [TS]

01:07:42   forgotten realms kind of fantasy stuff [TS]

01:07:45   and you're absolutely free to do [TS]

01:07:47   whatever the heck you want your you're [TS]

01:07:48   told to go see this dude over and [TS]

01:07:50   balmoral but that's like 50 miles away [TS]

01:07:52   so you can walk there or you can take [TS]

01:07:55   this gigantic bug that is for fast [TS]

01:07:58   travel but the cool people walked and if [TS]

01:08:02   you want you can just wander the land [TS]

01:08:03   and pick herbs for hours on end you can [TS]

01:08:06   you can put that's what I did [TS]

01:08:08   well it's fun because you can make [TS]

01:08:09   potions and stuff after a while are you [TS]

01:08:12   can poke through the dozens of caves [TS]

01:08:14   that are dotted throughout the landscape [TS]

01:08:15   and the amazing thing about that is each [TS]

01:08:17   of them is different and filled with [TS]

01:08:18   specific monsters it's not just random [TS]

01:08:20   encounters you know some of them are [TS]

01:08:22   more interesting than others but once in [TS]

01:08:24   a while you'll wander into one where [TS]

01:08:25   there's this whole side quest that has [TS]

01:08:27   absolutely nothing to do with the the [TS]

01:08:29   main plot of the game is just this cool [TS]

01:08:31   little thing that's going on in this [TS]

01:08:32   world and you happen to wandered into it [TS]

01:08:35   you can join any of a number of [TS]

01:08:38   different guilds some of which will [TS]

01:08:39   result in you being attacked by members [TS]

01:08:41   of other guilds there's over 300 books [TS]

01:08:45   of lore scattered around the world on [TS]

01:08:47   various bookshelves and you're into that [TS]

01:08:49   sort of thing you can sit around and [TS]

01:08:50   read for several days [TS]

01:08:53   it has a pretty cool plot that you know [TS]

01:08:55   it's fairly standard involved you [TS]

01:08:57   becoming the savior of all the realm but [TS]

01:08:59   you can choose to totally ignore if you [TS]

01:09:01   want basically you just you're given the [TS]

01:09:04   ultimate geek toy box and you're given a [TS]

01:09:06   sword to chop it all up with and it's [TS]

01:09:10   it's a huge deal huge lot of fun hit it [TS]

01:09:14   last as long as you want it to you just [TS]

01:09:17   want to play through the plot at last [TS]

01:09:18   kind of a long time to cook you gonna [TS]

01:09:21   put a bit of time into it but it's well [TS]

01:09:23   worth it [TS]

01:09:24   you are totally selling me on this game [TS]

01:09:26   because all of the things the things i [TS]

01:09:27   like about them at seven like I could go [TS]

01:09:29   and bake bread for a day I think it was [TS]

01:09:31   a lot to ultimate it does in terms of [TS]

01:09:33   just the open-world miss of it that's [TS]

01:09:35   was really one of the greatest things [TS]

01:09:36   about the ultimate series is that from [TS]

01:09:38   the very start you could go anytime you [TS]

01:09:40   wanted to because all the monsters were [TS]

01:09:42   fairly lightweight and they would just [TS]

01:09:45   build them up by you know throwing more [TS]

01:09:47   more of them at you when you had a [TS]

01:09:49   bigger party and more when follows a lot [TS]

01:09:52   of the same sort of templates but it [TS]

01:09:53   also throws into things like the bread [TS]

01:09:55   baking and you can follow your own kind [TS]

01:09:57   of lifestyle not even be an adventure if [TS]

01:10:00   you want you can just go hang out in [TS]

01:10:01   town and you want to be a thief you can [TS]

01:10:04   sneak into people's houses and stealing [TS]

01:10:05   stuff and i really thought i would enjoy [TS]

01:10:08   i tried playing Skyrim and I just [TS]

01:10:10   couldn't get into it [TS]

01:10:11   no no I like the idea of it but when I [TS]

01:10:13   went to stand up late i just found I [TS]

01:10:15   found it kind of black but maybe I like [TS]

01:10:17   skyrim yeah i know a lot of people like [TS]

01:10:19   skyrim i just i don't know couldn't get [TS]

01:10:20   into it i found more win so an [TS]

01:10:23   open-world nonlinear experience that I [TS]

01:10:25   hated it I ok i had the experience to [TS]

01:10:28   describe where you get off the boat and [TS]

01:10:30   you go through a building and you're in [TS]

01:10:32   a town you can do anything you want and [TS]

01:10:35   I wandered in a direction and pick [TS]

01:10:36   mushrooms for an hour and then I [TS]

01:10:40   couldn't find the town again [TS]

01:10:42   what kind of mushrooms were they haha [TS]

01:10:45   and i started the game again and pay [TS]

01:10:48   close attention and said go in this [TS]

01:10:50   direction i went in that direction and I [TS]

01:10:52   got lost and I pick some flowers and [TS]

01:10:55   what kind of flowers were they [TS]

01:10:57   there was no for me goal or reason to [TS]

01:11:03   keep playing so I stopped [TS]

01:11:04   yeah it takes a little getting you [TS]

01:11:06   getting getting into before you have any [TS]

01:11:08   direction and I I understand it's a very [TS]

01:11:11   overwhelming game first for people who [TS]

01:11:13   are used to more direct experiences so [TS]

01:11:16   you definitely not for everyone i would [TS]

01:11:18   say but I i just loved it every minute [TS]

01:11:22   of it are like the bolivian and I like [TS]

01:11:25   skyrim two but both of them seem like [TS]

01:11:27   they were a little less complex and sort [TS]

01:11:29   of dumb down to bmore console happy [TS]

01:11:31   oh jesus i mean i'm already in an open [TS]

01:11:35   world record do anything I want I don't [TS]

01:11:37   like that that's why i'm playing [TS]

01:11:38   computers [TS]

01:11:38   yes you can do anything you want your [TS]

01:11:40   lucky mastered usually yeah alright [TS]

01:11:45   thank you i can go pick mushrooms right [TS]

01:11:47   now if I wanted to but that's right [TS]

01:11:49   what kind of mushrooms mozzie actually [TS]

01:11:51   amanita muscaria they grow on the lawn [TS]

01:11:54   of like the house they just moved on [TS]

01:11:55   I don't why did I why did I ask john [TS]

01:12:00   it's your turn [TS]

01:12:01   they're very recognizable that's all I [TS]

01:12:03   know that my real names [TS]

01:12:07   do we have the and breathe out of [TS]

01:12:11   mushrooms these ones look like the mario [TS]

01:12:12   washrooms [TS]

01:12:13   yep alright my next pick [TS]

01:12:17   I'm gonna actually go with my strategy [TS]

01:12:19   described before i start picking mac [TS]

01:12:20   games and boy there are a lot to choose [TS]

01:12:22   from and I really don't know if this [TS]

01:12:23   hoping my last pic with hook have to [TS]

01:12:25   make it good i guess i'll skip this one [TS]

01:12:27   I'm going to pick crystal quest who 1987 [TS]

01:12:30   this is a game that no one had ever [TS]

01:12:33   heard of until was ported to the xbox i [TS]

01:12:35   guess in two thousand it was a mac game [TS]

01:12:38   for a while it was sort of the only [TS]

01:12:40   popular mad game this is this is a time [TS]

01:12:42   when this game which is a top-down kind [TS]

01:12:47   of abstract game on a screen a static [TS]

01:12:50   level scream the background doesn't move [TS]

01:12:52   you do not wrap around when you hit the [TS]

01:12:54   edges just what you see on the screen [TS]

01:12:55   this is an original mac game so the [TS]

01:12:57   original black and white mac screen this [TS]

01:12:59   game and on the back to I guess in color [TS]

01:13:01   this game got a full two-page spread and [TS]

01:13:04   neither macworld mac user magazine i [TS]

01:13:06   forget which those guys are hacks yeah [TS]

01:13:08   it wasn't it's like [TS]

01:13:11   what about such an important event in [TS]

01:13:13   the world of Mac gaming this arcade [TS]

01:13:15   style top-down game or nothing moves so [TS]

01:13:17   you control the circle essentially i'm [TS]

01:13:19   not sure it was supposed to be a ship or [TS]

01:13:21   a disc or whatever but the way you [TS]

01:13:24   control what made the game this is the [TS]

01:13:25   first game that showed I guess 1987 yeah [TS]

01:13:28   i think pretty much the first game [TS]

01:13:29   anywhere that showed that the mouse [TS]

01:13:30   could be used as a great gaming input [TS]

01:13:33   device this game could not work with a [TS]

01:13:35   joystick would not work with joysticks [TS]

01:13:36   forget it or keyboard forget about that [TS]

01:13:38   you could probably pay with play with a [TS]

01:13:40   centipede style trackball but it [TS]

01:13:42   wouldn't be the same and what you [TS]

01:13:45   controlled was like I don't know what [TS]

01:13:46   the exact physics of it wherever you you [TS]

01:13:48   controlled like your velocity vector and [TS]

01:13:51   didn't just matter which direction you [TS]

01:13:52   push the master matter how fast and how [TS]

01:13:54   hard you moved it so you weren't moving [TS]

01:13:56   the circle around the screen you're sort [TS]

01:13:58   of it's almost like you were controlling [TS]

01:13:59   wind was blowing this little circle [TS]

01:14:01   around the screen and you have to [TS]

01:14:02   collect these little crystals once you [TS]

01:14:04   collect all the crystals gate on the [TS]

01:14:05   bottom open up and you went through the [TS]

01:14:06   gate and there were enemies and that's [TS]

01:14:07   it that's the whole game and just got [TS]

01:14:09   progressively harder was an arcade-style [TS]

01:14:10   game and later on the mouse would sort [TS]

01:14:12   of come into its own as a gaming input [TS]

01:14:14   device but when first-person shooters [TS]

01:14:16   became popular after doing because I [TS]

01:14:17   don't think doing head and kind of mouse [TS]

01:14:19   control but once marathon came and [TS]

01:14:21   certainly quake and all those other [TS]

01:14:22   things like oh yeah of course the mouse [TS]

01:14:23   is a gaming device but up to this point [TS]

01:14:25   the mac was the only computer that even [TS]

01:14:26   had a mouse and so of course it was the [TS]

01:14:29   first computer to completely validate [TS]

01:14:31   the mac as a gaming input device crystal [TS]

01:14:34   quest was very simple game arcade style [TS]

01:14:36   game but pretty darn brutal it was not [TS]

01:14:39   forgiving it the difficulty ramped up [TS]

01:14:40   quickly and it was sort of the type of [TS]

01:14:42   game where they ran to the difficulty to [TS]

01:14:44   the point where they hoped [TS]

01:14:46   once the difficulty hits max around [TS]

01:14:48   level 40 at which point the game never [TS]

01:14:50   got any harder they figure well no one [TS]

01:14:52   can play at that level for very long but [TS]

01:14:54   they underestimated the amount of time [TS]

01:14:55   children who only have a mac-10 put the [TS]

01:14:57   game on would spend on this game and I [TS]

01:15:00   spent a lot of time playing this game a [TS]

01:15:02   lot of time playing like the after-game [TS]

01:15:04   which is after level 41 never gets [TS]

01:15:06   harder how hot that's where the real [TS]

01:15:07   game really together that's not what the [TS]

01:15:09   same level over and over and over again [TS]

01:15:11   I did night [TS]

01:15:12   that's what has sewers live yeah as all [TS]

01:15:15   mac users did I used resident to make my [TS]

01:15:17   own sprites for this game that was [TS]

01:15:19   before they came out with the critter [TS]

01:15:21   editor which was the official like way [TS]

01:15:22   to make your own [TS]

01:15:23   version of the game and had a level [TS]

01:15:26   editor as well if you haven't played [TS]

01:15:30   this game before i would recommend not [TS]

01:15:31   playing the xbox port because you can't [TS]

01:15:34   play this game with the thumbstick like [TS]

01:15:35   it has to be played with the mouse and [TS]

01:15:36   not only does it have to be played with [TS]

01:15:37   the mouse has to be played with i think [TS]

01:15:40   a classic max-style mouse because I'm [TS]

01:15:42   like if you played an emulation the [TS]

01:15:44   mouse tracking is way off here on this [TS]

01:15:45   tiny little stuff you know screen in the [TS]

01:15:47   middle of your vast screen so listeners [TS]

01:15:49   dig up an old Mac style mouse and a TBD [TS]

01:15:52   you speak with her [TS]

01:15:54   download an emulator and you're just all [TS]

01:15:56   said it's really easy it really makes a [TS]

01:15:58   difference also drink jolt cola yeah [TS]

01:16:00   basically to a hole somewhere in time [TS]

01:16:03   style room for that era [TS]

01:16:05   yeah i mean it is the type of game where [TS]

01:16:08   like you know you can't play it and [TS]

01:16:09   emulation because everything is off [TS]

01:16:11   about it in terms of the mouse control [TS]

01:16:12   and that's the whole game is that mouse [TS]

01:16:14   control which is that's why it was so [TS]

01:16:16   hard for people to play because you know [TS]

01:16:17   they even first-person shooters you're [TS]

01:16:19   moving a little crosshairs around it [TS]

01:16:20   feels kind of like 121 even though it's [TS]

01:16:22   not there is an acceleration curve this [TS]

01:16:24   game is nothing like that if you've [TS]

01:16:25   never tried it before [TS]

01:16:26   try it died immediately had been a great [TS]

01:16:29   sound effects kind of like the later [TS]

01:16:30   ambrosia games you know because the mac [TS]

01:16:31   had real sound [TS]

01:16:32   I had interesting fun enemies with [TS]

01:16:35   personalities it was all around [TS]

01:16:37   well-designed came all right Chris [TS]

01:16:39   request I played a little bit not a lot [TS]

01:16:42   it was it was hard but let's play that [TS]

01:16:45   i'm going to pick an apple to game is on [TS]

01:16:49   many platforms i know but i learned [TS]

01:16:51   about it number crunchers number [TS]

01:16:53   cruncher huh [TS]

01:16:54   i I'm gonna pick loadrunner help run our [TS]

01:16:59   nice [TS]

01:17:00   Oh am I allowed to pick a different [TS]

01:17:02   version no i wouldn't recommend it [TS]

01:17:05   just because we aren't going to have [TS]

01:17:06   that many rounds i love letter [TS]

01:17:09   I your little guy running around you can [TS]

01:17:11   dig to your left to your right and bad [TS]

01:17:13   guys Falling the holes and then [TS]

01:17:15   swallowed up but if you fall in the hole [TS]

01:17:17   you could be swallowed up and you also [TS]

01:17:19   can dig down and there it's a puzzle [TS]

01:17:21   game you're on you know you you're [TS]

01:17:23   trying to figure out how to get all of [TS]

01:17:24   the things that you need to get and get [TS]

01:17:26   to the exit and not get killed by the [TS]

01:17:28   guys who are trying to chase you and all [TS]

01:17:30   you have is your little gun that can [TS]

01:17:32   make the square to your left to your [TS]

01:17:34   right if it's a rock [TS]

01:17:36   go away and infinite variations lots of [TS]

01:17:40   great levels and a great level of the [TS]

01:17:41   first time I ever have used a level [TS]

01:17:43   editor and that was actually really [TS]

01:17:45   awesome all my Apple to play it for this [TS]

01:17:48   is a recurring theme here plate for way [TS]

01:17:50   too long [TS]

01:17:51   might have actually been the first level [TS]

01:17:52   editor yeah I think about it i think it [TS]

01:17:54   was in according to my research earlier [TS]

01:17:56   today somebody said it was all right [TS]

01:17:59   because it was gonna be my next thing [TS]

01:18:00   all right [TS]

01:18:02   also three and three of us had loved [TS]

01:18:03   runner on our listings yeah that's nice [TS]

01:18:05   Monty you should you should groan when I [TS]

01:18:07   say the name because then it makes me [TS]

01:18:08   feel better about my baby okay good [TS]

01:18:10   night I called you a monster [TS]

01:18:11   oh do i miss that good i'll be there in [TS]

01:18:14   the editing that would be great [TS]

01:18:15   anyway did your that I think that I [TS]

01:18:16   think that was the voice in your head [TS]

01:18:17   that much haha i did hear that well [TS]

01:18:20   anyway I love loadrunner played a lot on [TS]

01:18:22   the Apple to that was the game i played [TS]

01:18:23   the most of the Apple too and so I pick [TS]

01:18:25   it out let's do a quick third round and [TS]

01:18:29   I mean quick and then we'll bring out [TS]

01:18:30   our dead at the end because otherwise [TS]

01:18:32   we're gonna be here forever but let's do [TS]

01:18:33   one more round and try to make it [TS]

01:18:35   lightning it didn't want to let me say [TS]

01:18:36   what I have to say about loading photo [TS]

01:18:38   say yes [TS]

01:18:39   Monty and John both talk about [TS]

01:18:40   loadrunner please alright so loader was [TS]

01:18:43   the first game that I cleared out [TS]

01:18:45   meaning i completed all the levels lino [TS]

01:18:48   started from the beginning I i I'm a I I [TS]

01:18:50   made you know I made my own i think i [TS]

01:18:52   made more than 150 levels in the [TS]

01:18:54   backward and I made my own levels [TS]

01:18:56   probably more than a hundred am I [TS]

01:18:57   understood everything about the AI the [TS]

01:18:59   players that like it's not much to the [TS]

01:19:00   game but like I totally clear that game [TS]

01:19:02   out and my one-by-one loadrunner story [TS]

01:19:04   my favorite thing about it is I got it [TS]

01:19:06   as I got most of my software on a floppy [TS]

01:19:08   disk for my grandfather from his mac [TS]

01:19:09   user group meetings so I and I copied [TS]

01:19:12   onto my computer plated and in the menu [TS]

01:19:14   will be grayed out item i disabled item [TS]

01:19:18   that said pirate version and you have no [TS]

01:19:20   idea how much I want to play the pirate [TS]

01:19:21   version of this game because I guess he [TS]

01:19:23   would become a pirate and he on ships or [TS]

01:19:25   something [TS]

01:19:25   I was obsessed with it and that's the [TS]

01:19:29   reason i finished the game is like if I [TS]

01:19:30   just finish all hundred fifty levels [TS]

01:19:31   starting from level one it will probably [TS]

01:19:34   let me play the pirate version and it [TS]

01:19:36   never did because that disabled menu [TS]

01:19:38   item was merely indicating the fact that [TS]

01:19:39   the version of the game that I had was [TS]

01:19:41   pirated and I was a sad part of my [TS]

01:19:43   growing up experience and I still think [TS]

01:19:45   about the potential of a pirate version [TS]

01:19:46   of the run [TS]

01:19:47   uh-huh uh-huh i played on the IBM PC [TS]

01:19:50   where it was also super fun a decade [TS]

01:19:52   later I'm still angry at one level I [TS]

01:19:55   remember being level 30 but I could be [TS]

01:19:57   wrong [TS]

01:19:57   where you had to kill the enemies and [TS]

01:19:59   hope that they would respawn in the [TS]

01:20:01   right place to pick up a box that you [TS]

01:20:03   couldn't reach ship and then bring it [TS]

01:20:05   back down to you you'd have to kill them [TS]

01:20:08   and they would either respond there or [TS]

01:20:10   in a little box to the left where you [TS]

01:20:12   couldn't get them any more and it didn't [TS]

01:20:15   seem fair to me that there was a [TS]

01:20:16   complete randomness to a level and [TS]

01:20:18   figured out i just had to sit there [TS]

01:20:20   waiting for the game to roll the right [TS]

01:20:23   dice and the version that i played on [TS]

01:20:26   the Apple to blue bricks red enemies [TS]

01:20:28   with white pants and our legs whatever [TS]

01:20:33   they were red on top and white on the [TS]

01:20:34   bottom and you could use the right and [TS]

01:20:37   left arrow keys to speed up or slow down [TS]

01:20:39   time [TS]

01:20:41   oh yeah so if you gotta if you had it [TS]

01:20:43   set sort of you knew that it was going [TS]

01:20:45   to end and they were all going to die in [TS]

01:20:47   the game and then you're going to win [TS]

01:20:48   the level you just press the right arrow [TS]

01:20:50   key a bunch of times and it would happen [TS]

01:20:51   really fast [TS]

01:20:52   yeah the mac version of that features [TS]

01:20:53   well the mac version was all black and [TS]

01:20:55   white obviously but very you know very [TS]

01:20:56   fine graphics because the mac had those [TS]

01:20:58   tiny little pixels is very nice-looking [TS]

01:21:00   yes much more refined than the Apple to [TS]

01:21:02   graphics alright loadrunner yeah I'm [TS]

01:21:05   just trying to get through minor 25 49er [TS]

01:21:07   so i can play the elusive broken by mr. [TS]

01:21:09   crack man level yeah yeah the the [TS]

01:21:15   Pirates of Puget Sound the Pirates of [TS]

01:21:17   Puget Sound are out there in seattle [TS]

01:21:19   somewhere [TS]

01:21:20   dan your turn also many options [TS]

01:21:24   lightning will never did i do a is for [TS]

01:21:27   the pc sort of the samurai know if [TS]

01:21:31   anybody else besides never played this [TS]

01:21:32   it's a micro pros game from 1989 where [TS]

01:21:34   you start out as a low-level samurai and [TS]

01:21:38   you basically work your way up to trying [TS]

01:21:40   to become like a day meal which is a [TS]

01:21:41   lord or eventually the Shogun of all [TS]

01:21:43   japan but the coolest thing about it was [TS]

01:21:44   that had a bunch of different moods [TS]

01:21:46   including a war gaming mode where you're [TS]

01:21:48   out like in a field leaving your armies [TS]

01:21:50   a melee mode we were like running [TS]

01:21:52   running at top down version we like [TS]

01:21:53   running around the city and shooting [TS]

01:21:54   arrows and stabbing people with your [TS]

01:21:56   life like Tetris style arts attention [TS]

01:21:58   all the style and yes i'm getting tired [TS]

01:22:02   over here [TS]

01:22:02   textile that would be [TS]

01:22:03   awesome your driver's license yeah it's [TS]

01:22:05   not an actual people creates everywhere [TS]

01:22:08   and then a mode where that's like [TS]

01:22:11   actually like a samurai dual-mode that's [TS]

01:22:13   like where your its kind of this wacky [TS]

01:22:15   sword fighting mode where you have to [TS]

01:22:17   like get a couple of buttons and show me [TS]

01:22:18   around the screen and like stab people [TS]

01:22:20   with very precision swords and it was it [TS]

01:22:23   was really cool because you built up all [TS]

01:22:24   these different like resources and of [TS]

01:22:25   weights it's kind of a strategy game but [TS]

01:22:27   it's got all these different elements [TS]

01:22:28   which i loved about it and I used to [TS]

01:22:31   play with my friend Sean on his pc we [TS]

01:22:32   take turns and eventually would die and [TS]

01:22:34   you have to come back as like your son [TS]

01:22:35   or something like that you were always [TS]

01:22:37   being born as a samurai with very little [TS]

01:22:39   honor [TS]

01:22:40   alright fantastic game good good Monty [TS]

01:22:43   arm look at the list [TS]

01:22:46   oh I realized i already had two [TS]

01:22:48   old-timey games in the text adventure [TS]

01:22:50   and doom and I'm going even more [TS]

01:22:52   old-time all nethack I was really [TS]

01:22:55   worried he was gonna say like stick [TS]

01:22:56   that's modern I me to that still [TS]

01:22:58   updating this base war that's true there [TS]

01:23:00   there's a whole genre at this point [TS]

01:23:02   called roguelike games that are all [TS]

01:23:04   basically nethack which you play a [TS]

01:23:08   little at symbol and you run around an [TS]

01:23:10   esky maze usually nine rooms per level [TS]

01:23:13   and you kill letters capital D is a [TS]

01:23:16   dragon lowercase T's your faithful dog I [TS]

01:23:21   don't care whether attack or nethack a [TS]

01:23:22   road i'll play any of them and it's [TS]

01:23:24   always super fun [TS]

01:23:25   alright i have seen that it's from the [TS]

01:23:30   days of unix yes [TS]

01:23:31   unix I know this the only reason I know [TS]

01:23:36   that game is from reading the I [TS]

01:23:38   user-friendly web comic because they [TS]

01:23:40   were all the characters were always [TS]

01:23:42   playing that heck in that comic yeah [TS]

01:23:44   well it tells you pretty much all you [TS]

01:23:46   need to know about that game pretty much [TS]

01:23:48   all right [TS]

01:23:50   nethack it's on the list Erica it's your [TS]

01:23:52   turn ok well i am going to go with the [TS]

01:23:57   policy the journeyman project legacy of [TS]

01:24:01   time [TS]

01:24:02   yes and it is that despite my pic of the [TS]

01:24:07   little Daleks game the games that I like [TS]

01:24:10   the most of the ones that are the most [TS]

01:24:11   story-based and sort of like where I [TS]

01:24:14   feel like I'm getting sucked into the [TS]

01:24:15   game and i really like the store [TS]

01:24:17   give this one I never actually played [TS]

01:24:18   the first to journeyman project games [TS]

01:24:20   but this one involves time travel to [TS]

01:24:23   three different eras of destruction in [TS]

01:24:27   the world where it turns out oh my god [TS]

01:24:28   it was aliens that you know destroyed [TS]

01:24:31   Atlantis and shangri-la and but then [TS]

01:24:34   back in in the quote-unquote modern [TS]

01:24:35   times where you come from there are a [TS]

01:24:38   couple of some alien races that are [TS]

01:24:40   coming in and there was there's a little [TS]

01:24:42   bit about it that kind of reminded me of [TS]

01:24:43   Babylon 5 a little bit [TS]

01:24:45   you've got these two different alien [TS]

01:24:47   races both are there claiming sort of [TS]

01:24:49   different things and and i think my [TS]

01:24:51   favorite part was the fact that the time [TS]

01:24:53   suit that you wear has a little AI guy [TS]

01:24:57   inside named Albert and he is just [TS]

01:25:00   hilarious you could you can turn him to [TS]

01:25:03   give you clues to what to do next and [TS]

01:25:05   you there like I think three different [TS]

01:25:07   settings and I always just turned it to [TS]

01:25:09   the easiest setting not because I wanted [TS]

01:25:11   to help i actually didn't want to help [TS]

01:25:13   but he was so funny and the writing for [TS]

01:25:15   his character was so good that I wanted [TS]

01:25:16   to make sure that i was hearing [TS]

01:25:17   absolutely everything that he said [TS]

01:25:19   without missing any of it so I feel like [TS]

01:25:22   in a way I sort of cheating on the game [TS]

01:25:24   but I was more fulfilled than i would [TS]

01:25:26   have been if i would have gone through [TS]

01:25:27   and figure it out on my own so I really [TS]

01:25:29   really enjoyed that game that was one [TS]

01:25:31   that was it didn't take nearly as much [TS]

01:25:33   time as ultimate 17 you could actually [TS]

01:25:35   play it through to the end in a [TS]

01:25:36   reasonable amount of time and feel [TS]

01:25:38   pretty good about it you know [TS]

01:25:41   well tournament project 31 of uh now i [TS]

01:25:44   really am going because uh one of my [TS]

01:25:46   friends in college married one of the [TS]

01:25:47   designers on journeyman project three [TS]

01:25:49   and he works at Pixar now [TS]

01:25:51   oh wow which is cool and I victorville [TS]

01:25:53   Victor navone yes and uh the yeah that's [TS]

01:25:58   a that's very cool i played that's a [TS]

01:26:00   dual blending by like yeah i know that's [TS]

01:26:03   due to language uh that's that's very [TS]

01:26:06   nice and I played riverplace journeyman [TS]

01:26:10   project original when it came out and I [TS]

01:26:11   was blown away that was one of the first [TS]

01:26:13   really super intense rendered 3d [TS]

01:26:16   graphics games are played on the mac [TS]

01:26:18   back in the right when i started do [TS]

01:26:21   reading about mac stuff that's cool [TS]

01:26:23   dual image that was very exciting [TS]

01:26:26   well played guys hey hey you [TS]

01:26:31   we've invaded an episode of being [TS]

01:26:33   comfortable together not for the first [TS]

01:26:35   time and not for the last time [TS]

01:26:37   well the second part is maybe true [TS]

01:26:40   that's gonna really depend on Jason [TS]

01:26:41   well we should probably let people know [TS]

01:26:42   that your lakhs and your damn they know [TS]

01:26:45   that [TS]

01:26:45   come on hey I've been on like 20 [TS]

01:26:49   episodes of being comfortable then I [TS]

01:26:50   don't think that's cute that's cute [TS]

01:26:52   apparently when they just ran the stats [TS]

01:26:53   I've been on a hundred and twenty-two [TS]

01:26:54   the I just made up my number but i think [TS]

01:26:57   it's somewhere around there [TS]

01:26:58   so why are we here Lex well you when i [TS]

01:27:01   do another podcast that's on the [TS]

01:27:03   incomparable podcast network of the [TS]

01:27:05   stars [TS]

01:27:06   how the heck do we have time to do that [TS]

01:27:07   we don't excellent great it's a podcast [TS]

01:27:10   about time travel we do what we're [TS]

01:27:12   supposed to be working at sorry Jason [TS]

01:27:15   you don't work for him anymore that's [TS]

01:27:17   totally cheating dick anyways our [TS]

01:27:19   podcast in case you haven't heard of it [TS]

01:27:21   is called not playing with likes and Dan [TS]

01:27:23   because that is our names and we're not [TS]

01:27:25   very creative listeners of this program [TS]

01:27:27   are familiar with the fact that there [TS]

01:27:30   was a an ongoing joke on this [TS]

01:27:32   incomparable podcast that Lex hasn't [TS]

01:27:35   seen it but there are many many movies [TS]

01:27:37   that i haven't seen and you I believed [TS]

01:27:39   an early on joined in the mocking me [TS]

01:27:41   oh absolutely a hundred percent hundred [TS]

01:27:43   twenty percent of such thing as possible [TS]

01:27:45   but what you might dirty little secret [TS]

01:27:46   is though I have an encyclopedic [TS]

01:27:48   knowledge of movies i haven't seen there [TS]

01:27:50   are many movies I to have not seen so [TS]

01:27:53   thus was not playing born on not playing [TS]

01:27:55   you and i watch movies together that [TS]

01:27:57   most of the world has seen or most of [TS]

01:27:59   the pop-culture enjoying world has seen [TS]

01:28:01   and we haven't so we watch them together [TS]

01:28:04   for the first time and we talked about [TS]

01:28:07   him sometimes we talk over them which is [TS]

01:28:09   possibly annoying for you possibly [TS]

01:28:11   entertaining hopefully more of the [TS]

01:28:13   entertaining that the night yeah so the [TS]

01:28:15   nice thing is you can get the version of [TS]

01:28:17   the podcast that's a true commentary [TS]

01:28:19   track so you can watch it with us as we [TS]

01:28:21   experience the movie for the first time [TS]

01:28:22   and if you don't feel like syncing up [TS]

01:28:24   you know your movie in your your podcast [TS]

01:28:26   app of choice you can just get the [TS]

01:28:28   capsule episodes instead where you hear [TS]

01:28:29   what we know about the movie before we [TS]

01:28:32   watch it and then what we thought of it [TS]

01:28:33   afterwards it's basically an [TS]

01:28:34   incomparable for people who [TS]

01:28:36   don't know what the hell they're talking [TS]

01:28:37   about the best part of the entertainment [TS]

01:28:39   as far as I'm concerned is that you can [TS]

01:28:41   silently make fun of us and judge us for [TS]

01:28:44   all the movies that we haven't seen but [TS]

01:28:45   that we really should have seen ya the [TS]

01:28:47   the ability to mock us i think is one of [TS]

01:28:49   not playing finest features i really [TS]

01:28:51   feel like we should be advertising that [TS]

01:28:53   more so let's start doing that now [TS]

01:28:54   please come and make fun of us for not [TS]

01:28:58   having seen popular movies and so far [TS]

01:29:01   this season on the incomparable on the [TS]

01:29:04   coming out of network we've watched what [TS]

01:29:06   we saw was the first episode of this [TS]

01:29:08   season while you're it's really stuck in [TS]

01:29:10   your mind you're ready to go back and [TS]

01:29:11   re-watch these things we have watched so [TS]

01:29:13   far fargo fargo yes we've seen moon [TS]

01:29:17   yes and as you hear this we will have [TS]

01:29:20   just watched LA confidential [TS]

01:29:22   that's a pretty good assortment of [TS]

01:29:24   movies and if you go back to season one [TS]

01:29:25   there's plenty of movies that you can if [TS]

01:29:27   you haven't heard those episodes yet go [TS]

01:29:28   check out when we watch Beverly Hills [TS]

01:29:30   Cop or even the karate kid which we [TS]

01:29:32   watch for the first time along with [TS]

01:29:34   Jason snail who had never seen it [TS]

01:29:36   perhaps you've heard of him we're not [TS]

01:29:38   shameless enough to avoid using Jason to [TS]

01:29:40   pimp our own podcast [TS]

01:29:41   yep so thanks for tuning into the [TS]

01:29:44   uncomfortable we hope you'll come over [TS]

01:29:45   and listen to not playing also on the [TS]

01:29:47   finding comfortable radio network [TS]

01:29:50   ah Tony it's your turn I would like to [TS]

01:29:52   draft a Looking Glass Studios classic [TS]

01:29:54   game thief the dark project which is [TS]

01:29:58   another kind of first-person shooter on [TS]

01:30:00   the more or less created the cell [TS]

01:30:02   stronger that splinter cell and hit man [TS]

01:30:04   and other games would go on to turn into [TS]

01:30:06   lots of money but if the dark project [TS]

01:30:08   was the first in a series of games that [TS]

01:30:11   are all set in this really cool [TS]

01:30:11   steampunk medieval world where you're a [TS]

01:30:15   thief surprisingly and you are kind of [TS]

01:30:19   at odds with different factions in this [TS]

01:30:20   world there's a group of kind of pagans [TS]

01:30:22   who worshipped nature and have a a weird [TS]

01:30:25   primal God and diverse group of kind of [TS]

01:30:27   religious zealots called the hammer [TS]

01:30:29   rights and there's a kind of neat story [TS]

01:30:31   with a series of heights and you break [TS]

01:30:32   into these elaborate castle / mansions [TS]

01:30:34   and and find things and inevitably [TS]

01:30:37   there's gonna there's a double-cross and [TS]

01:30:38   you get pulled into stuff and have to [TS]

01:30:40   kind of you know save the world as it [TS]

01:30:42   was but really great game was kind of [TS]

01:30:46   one of the first first-person shooter [TS]

01:30:47   games where you were not just necessary [TS]

01:30:49   having to shoot everybody and you would [TS]

01:30:50   sneak around and it did really [TS]

01:30:52   impressive stuff for the time with [TS]

01:30:53   lighting and sound effects i remember [TS]

01:30:57   playing and i think i was like home from [TS]

01:31:00   college for a month in winter and [TS]

01:31:02   basically just stayed up all night [TS]

01:31:04   playing this game and entirely shifted [TS]

01:31:06   my sleeping schedule to sleep from like [TS]

01:31:08   nine a.m. to whenever you know like I i [TS]

01:31:11   woke up and started playing fifa again [TS]

01:31:12   and i just spent all night sneaking [TS]

01:31:14   around these these dark you know [TS]

01:31:16   abandoned cathedrals trying to steal [TS]

01:31:18   gems and you know occasionally getting [TS]

01:31:20   scared by zombies that I would not [TS]

01:31:23   expect to find around the corner but [TS]

01:31:25   yeah it was a great game the sequel to [TS]

01:31:26   it I through the middle age is also [TS]

01:31:28   really great the sequels to those there [TS]

01:31:31   have been two cents are disappointing [TS]

01:31:34   yeah the dark project looking glass [TS]

01:31:36   studios with the first game i drafted [TS]

01:31:38   that uh apparently seamless did not need [TS]

01:31:41   to draft so how now I have a [TS]

01:31:43   lookingglass game on my list but it was [TS]

01:31:44   not that one [TS]

01:31:45   okay since you somehow i never got [TS]

01:31:46   around to playing thief when you're [TS]

01:31:48   living the world of thief would you like [TS]

01:31:49   to walk into the room where the computer [TS]

01:31:50   was likely the light off and stay in the [TS]

01:31:52   shadows and I played in pitch black [TS]

01:31:55   it's really exciting you played it is [TS]

01:31:56   black i mean i think i played i probably [TS]

01:31:59   the sims in pitch-black that was just [TS]

01:32:01   you know who I was a teenager but you'll [TS]

01:32:03   definitely yeah a little different [TS]

01:32:06   alright that was great and Steve it's [TS]

01:32:08   your turn whole boy since this is [TS]

01:32:11   probably the last full round [TS]

01:32:14   hmm decisions decisions i got two games [TS]

01:32:17   from 1981 and I think I'm gonna go with [TS]

01:32:21   road I yeah it fell off the table i'm [TS]

01:32:26   just going to pick castle wolfenstein [TS]

01:32:27   the original castle wolfenstein by Silas [TS]

01:32:30   Warner huh [TS]

01:32:31   I brought a lot to the table for a game [TS]

01:32:35   on the Apple to in 1981 which was pretty [TS]

01:32:38   early in the life cycle of our way out [TS]

01:32:40   of the computer your prisoner a Nazi [TS]

01:32:43   castle you overpowered a guard you take [TS]

01:32:44   his gun it's actually the same plot as [TS]

01:32:46   wolfenstein 3d which came much later the [TS]

01:32:49   goal in this is to find the scene plans [TS]

01:32:50   what's that we've had pure DS it had [TS]

01:32:54   fewer three fewer actually yeah you want [TS]

01:32:59   to find the secret plan an escape from [TS]

01:33:00   the cast with your life [TS]

01:33:01   the crazy thing was that [TS]

01:33:03   Castle rooms and the location of the [TS]

01:33:04   guards were totally randomly generated [TS]

01:33:06   so you know of course you didn't know [TS]

01:33:08   what you're going to run into in any [TS]

01:33:10   given room although I guess the layout [TS]

01:33:11   of the castle was the same every time [TS]

01:33:12   which is something I never picked up [TS]

01:33:15   that uh Hannah picked up on at age nine [TS]

01:33:17   but it was very cool and very very tense [TS]

01:33:21   for a game with such rudimentary [TS]

01:33:23   graphics and sound and sometimes you [TS]

01:33:24   could find a guard uniform which would [TS]

01:33:26   fool the standard guards and you could [TS]

01:33:28   sneak around them but then you run [TS]

01:33:30   across these armored SS troopers and [TS]

01:33:32   they were much smarter and they could [TS]

01:33:33   pick out and I'm sculpting past the [TS]

01:33:37   guards and hoping to God and SS doesn't [TS]

01:33:38   show up in the next room and rat you out [TS]

01:33:40   was it was pretty pretty tense stuff [TS]

01:33:42   back in nineteen eighty-one it also i [TS]

01:33:45   think i think it probably qualifies as [TS]

01:33:47   like the first-ever stealth Title III [TS]

01:33:50   could even see it maybe as like the [TS]

01:33:51   first survival horror game because you [TS]

01:33:53   have very limited ammo and resources and [TS]

01:33:56   it definitely was pretty scary it and it [TS]

01:34:00   also included i think one of the first [TS]

01:34:01   uses if not the first use of digitized [TS]

01:34:03   voices the guards will yell at optimum [TS]

01:34:06   when they spot you or they will call us [TS]

01:34:08   find hunt when you flee the room and [TS]

01:34:11   actually the voices in Wolfenstein 3d I [TS]

01:34:15   think kind of parody that just a little [TS]

01:34:17   bit and I think probably the first hack [TS]

01:34:21   that i can remember was based on Castle [TS]

01:34:24   Wolfenstein it was something called [TS]

01:34:25   castle smurfin Stein in which yes they [TS]

01:34:28   had replaced all of the guards with [TS]

01:34:29   Smurfs who are almost actually more [TS]

01:34:32   satisfying to kill the knots haha and [TS]

01:34:37   they died more energetically too but [TS]

01:34:39   yeah castle wolfenstein fantastic game i [TS]

01:34:43   got an apple emulator and you haven't [TS]

01:34:45   played it give it give it a go because [TS]

01:34:46   it's a surprisingly advanced complicated [TS]

01:34:50   fun game and I think still actually [TS]

01:34:53   holds up right [TS]

01:34:56   Castle Wolfenstein I had that one to [TS]

01:34:58   apply that one a bit on the Apple to [TS]

01:35:01   John ok my next pick is myth cola the [TS]

01:35:06   fallen lords the original myth game [TS]

01:35:09   across them off find fun [TS]

01:35:11   I never liked RTS games and myth if you [TS]

01:35:14   just if [TS]

01:35:15   if you first look at myth it looks like [TS]

01:35:17   it's an RTS game but you know it maybe [TS]

01:35:20   it's like an RCS game in the only [TS]

01:35:22   interesting feature that you can see the [TS]

01:35:23   screenshots as 3d terrain which by the [TS]

01:35:25   way is optionally hardware-accelerated [TS]

01:35:27   only only if you have the correct card [TS]

01:35:30   but myth was not an RTS it was more of [TS]

01:35:32   an RTT it removed everything I hated [TS]

01:35:34   about RTS there's no mining there's no [TS]

01:35:37   tech trees is no factories is no [TS]

01:35:39   resources you start the game with a [TS]

01:35:40   fixed amount of points you spend them on [TS]

01:35:42   units the cost variable amounts and then [TS]

01:35:44   you fight until somebody wins and that's [TS]

01:35:46   because of that the 3d terrain wasn't [TS]

01:35:48   just some stupid frill in the game 3d [TS]

01:35:50   terrain was the whole game it was [TS]

01:35:51   crucial the whole game was about tactics [TS]

01:35:53   arranging your troops working with the [TS]

01:35:55   terrain what's in there the different [TS]

01:35:57   features water different ground surfaces [TS]

01:36:00   I that was what the game was all about [TS]

01:36:02   and when you lost one of your archers [TS]

01:36:04   that guy was never coming back [TS]

01:36:05   you can't build another Archer and if [TS]

01:36:07   you're down one Archer against it you [TS]

01:36:09   know you have for artists like I has [TS]

01:36:10   five you've got a serious serious [TS]

01:36:12   problem and of course they scaled up to [TS]

01:36:14   this big giants and everything and that [TS]

01:36:15   every unit had different abilities and [TS]

01:36:18   you know you could rotate around the [TS]

01:36:20   battlefield in 3d and get different [TS]

01:36:21   vantage points in zip for one place to [TS]

01:36:23   the other in some ways it was [TS]

01:36:25   rudimentary and like the later games in [TS]

01:36:26   this series would sort of be what it was [TS]

01:36:29   supposed to be but man did I spend so [TS]

01:36:31   long playing this game I and it's [TS]

01:36:34   sequels on the internet / 56k modem or [TS]

01:36:36   whatever it was that I'm just hours and [TS]

01:36:39   hours and hours and it never got old [TS]

01:36:41   like we didn't stop playing because it [TS]

01:36:42   got too boring or whatever we just [TS]

01:36:44   stopped playing out and all because we [TS]

01:36:45   got too busy or played other games i [TS]

01:36:46   would i would play miss to this day I [TS]

01:36:48   wish there was a like like EV I wish [TS]

01:36:50   there was a part of this on the ipad [TS]

01:36:51   that I could play right now i agree i [TS]

01:36:53   agree and then myth to slope later as [TS]

01:36:55   well these are hard [TS]

01:36:57   these are really hard i used all the [TS]

01:36:59   keys because you could you could set [TS]

01:37:01   like all the number keys to be different [TS]

01:37:02   formations as presets and you had to go [TS]

01:37:05   you had to you had to [TS]

01:37:06   yeah like the control is fairly [TS]

01:37:08   sophisticated there's a different form [TS]

01:37:10   like it was it was like playing go it's [TS]

01:37:12   like comparing a regular RTS seems to me [TS]

01:37:14   like checkers and this was like go [TS]

01:37:15   because the the number of things you [TS]

01:37:17   could do it like why did I lose that [TS]

01:37:18   battle we had the same amount of troops [TS]

01:37:20   they faced each other face-to-face how [TS]

01:37:21   did I lose like it it would almost seem [TS]

01:37:23   like it was a random but it was not you [TS]

01:37:25   had to know how to play this game was [TS]

01:37:26   very complicated [TS]

01:37:28   yeah yeah [TS]

01:37:28   very hard to graphics are beautiful a [TS]

01:37:31   camera the camera was really hard to [TS]

01:37:32   control as i read i recall the getting [TS]

01:37:35   the perspective right was really hard [TS]

01:37:36   does that sound right to you John I i [TS]

01:37:38   found it hard to win to win games [TS]

01:37:40   here's his one of the like the super [TS]

01:37:42   monkey ball video that i saw that [TS]

01:37:43   changed my life the video that changed [TS]

01:37:45   my life about myth was I saw someone [TS]

01:37:46   play through the entire is in the entire [TS]

01:37:48   game or maybe just the entire final [TS]

01:37:50   level without taking damage which you [TS]

01:37:53   would never imagine would be a thing [TS]

01:37:55   that is possible and yet I saw it with [TS]

01:37:56   my very own eyes and it was not a cheat [TS]

01:37:58   and I was amazed that shows the level of [TS]

01:38:00   mastery like I said it's like go [TS]

01:38:02   yeah great game I wow it's my turn i [TS]

01:38:08   have so many have so many choices i got [TS]

01:38:11   the two big ones i got the two that i [TS]

01:38:12   really wanted uh okay in honor of sports [TS]

01:38:18   games i'm gonna pick ssi computer [TS]

01:38:20   baseball which I was available on many [TS]

01:38:23   platforms from strategic simulations [TS]

01:38:25   incorporated which I think at one point [TS]

01:38:27   was owned by avalon hill [TS]

01:38:28   this was a a computer baseball game in [TS]

01:38:32   which you did not play baseball like an [TS]

01:38:34   arcade it was a baseball manager [TS]

01:38:37   simulation so you would say what you [TS]

01:38:39   will do you want to pitch or hit and [TS]

01:38:40   change your picture but you didn't have [TS]

01:38:42   to like try to hit the ball that was [TS]

01:38:45   your players job and you could not only [TS]

01:38:46   didn't have I i think twenty teams from [TS]

01:38:51   throughout history world series teams [TS]

01:38:53   from the 20th century but you could also [TS]

01:38:57   actually format a disk as a team disk [TS]

01:39:01   and get the stats from the baseball [TS]

01:39:03   encyclopedia and enter in the contest [TS]

01:39:04   any other team you wanted from baseball [TS]

01:39:07   history or type in the names of your [TS]

01:39:09   friends give them 500 home runs and and [TS]

01:39:13   then see what happened so i played this [TS]

01:39:16   game in 7th 6th 7th 8th grade i think a [TS]

01:39:19   lot and it is to this day I think every [TS]

01:39:21   computer i've ever owned since has had [TS]

01:39:24   an apple to emulator on it with a disk [TS]

01:39:26   image of ssi computer baseball which was [TS]

01:39:29   great it was also really hard doesn't to [TS]

01:39:31   copy the file because they have really [TS]

01:39:33   good copy protection [TS]

01:39:35   that's what I remember is like the copy [TS]

01:39:36   protection was so good that it actually [TS]

01:39:38   was hard too hard to save your your team [TS]

01:39:41   disk because they had a weird disc [TS]

01:39:43   format they used but this is for me this [TS]

01:39:45   is the the basis of a lot of my interest [TS]

01:39:49   in baseball and baseball statistics is [TS]

01:39:52   coming from playing this game which was [TS]

01:39:53   you know not not you know not an arcade [TS]

01:39:57   game by the simulation game it was great [TS]

01:39:58   silence a baseball [TS]

01:40:06   whoo yeah we way to ruin you know [TS]

01:40:08   something pure and unadulterated like [TS]

01:40:10   video games with sports yes [TS]

01:40:12   yeah I had to do it you go why don't you [TS]

01:40:14   go outside it's not even a sports game [TS]

01:40:16   it's a management of sports game [TS]

01:40:18   simulating the manager not the general [TS]

01:40:21   manager not a player it's it's like it's [TS]

01:40:23   like if you play half life and your job [TS]

01:40:24   was like you were going the ammo Depot [TS]

01:40:26   and you manufacture communication and [TS]

01:40:28   integrates the garden would find a mate [TS]

01:40:30   and have heard that in one of the [TS]

01:40:31   expansions but so we we actually had a [TS]

01:40:34   league in elementary school we had a 6 [TS]

01:40:36   team league on a schedule and we would [TS]

01:40:38   we would have lunch time we would bring [TS]

01:40:40   your little sandwiches the computer room [TS]

01:40:41   and we would play computer baseball [TS]

01:40:43   nationwide you agree with me when I say [TS]

01:40:45   that the baseball manager perhaps has [TS]

01:40:47   the least to do with his team's success [TS]

01:40:49   in any sport that's a while that's a [TS]

01:40:53   real that's probably a good question for [TS]

01:40:55   a sports-related podcast Monty then [TS]

01:40:57   there are there is there is some [TS]

01:41:00   evidence to show that that that they [TS]

01:41:03   have very little control except for the [TS]

01:41:05   very best managers they have very little [TS]

01:41:06   control over the team's win-loss record [TS]

01:41:08   I'm not sure whether that's more or less [TS]

01:41:10   than other sports i would argue that [TS]

01:41:12   like a basketball manager or coach has [TS]

01:41:14   almost no they don't even they could [TS]

01:41:17   just have like a tree a lot of politics [TS]

01:41:19   potted plant on the sideline their wares [TS]

01:41:21   they wear suits them they do it but [TS]

01:41:24   baseball manager wears a uniform like he [TS]

01:41:26   could just run right out there and start [TS]

01:41:28   playing at any moment in the days of [TS]

01:41:30   Petros yeah the player managers yes [TS]

01:41:34   that's where there were some play reg [TS]

01:41:35   good knowledge dan wait a way to support [TS]

01:41:37   it up thanks sorry i know i know that's [TS]

01:41:40   a ball as they say it guys this is home [TS]

01:41:43   yeah okay let's do anything about it [TS]

01:41:47   if you're just tuning in your listening [TS]

01:41:49   to sports talk [TS]

01:41:51   this is jason and Dan try and one-up [TS]

01:41:53   each other on big baseball things that I [TS]

01:41:55   don't understand he all of my all of my [TS]

01:41:58   uh uh all my classmates chose classic [TS]

01:42:02   victorious stacked the world series [TS]

01:42:06   teams from history it's still happening [TS]

01:42:08   I took the 69 Mets who were improbable [TS]

01:42:12   and quite frankly not very good although [TS]

01:42:14   they did win the World Series and I [TS]

01:42:15   don't know why did that that was really [TS]

01:42:16   stupid and when i get done recording [TS]

01:42:19   here i have to go out to my kitchen [TS]

01:42:20   where my kitchen table is taken up with [TS]

01:42:22   an 8-foot lego baseball stadium which is [TS]

01:42:25   going to be there for at least you're [TS]

01:42:26   welcome hi I'm going to take partial [TS]

01:42:28   credit for that just for the community [TS]

01:42:30   baseball fans so anyway yeah q4 let's uh [TS]

01:42:32   let's move to the a clearance around [TS]

01:42:35   when everybody can just tell me all the [TS]

01:42:37   things they didn't pick Clarence time [TS]

01:42:40   Dan bring out your dead bring out your [TS]

01:42:42   dead [TS]

01:42:42   alright i had might magic to quake 3 [TS]

01:42:47   arena [TS]

01:42:48   well I had that one rainbow six and i [TS]

01:42:52   added a few well I was listening uh [TS]

01:42:54   rescue the max shower game that was [TS]

01:42:57   basically a star trek rip off then [TS]

01:42:58   forced to not be a star trek ripoff [TS]

01:43:00   great game em track which I don't even [TS]

01:43:03   know of accounts was like a telnet based [TS]

01:43:04   game that you played with that was like [TS]

01:43:06   Star Trek based and the original [TS]

01:43:09   neverwinter nights [TS]

01:43:11   alright that's my clearance very nice [TS]

01:43:13   solid very nice will put those put those [TS]

01:43:15   out on the table outside in the [TS]

01:43:17   five-dollar Bob uh-huh [TS]

01:43:19   ah Monty um I had one fairly modern game [TS]

01:43:23   I City of Heroes which is the only MMO [TS]

01:43:25   I've ever really stuck with I 20 Tommie [TS]

01:43:28   sports games one was one-on-one dr. J vs [TS]

01:43:31   Larry Bird [TS]

01:43:32   oh yeah sports spot [TS]

01:43:36   birds eated Tony you could smash the [TS]

01:43:39   backboard if you don't just write and [TS]

01:43:43   then the little janitor would have to [TS]

01:43:44   come out and sweep it up yeah I was the [TS]

01:43:45   best part amazing graphics when you [TS]

01:43:47   smash the blackboard i remember that i [TS]

01:43:49   think i wrecked an apple to Joystiq with [TS]

01:43:51   that game that was just for you just [TS]

01:43:53   keep mashing that button come on don't [TS]

01:43:55   get done get you [TS]

01:43:56   yep yes and I understand sports games as [TS]

01:43:59   you people say from downtown [TS]

01:44:01   yeah there's high school college and pro [TS]

01:44:04   and i had another sports game Microsoft [TS]

01:44:07   D capital on which was for the pc oh [TS]

01:44:09   that was a good one for the hundred-yard [TS]

01:44:11   dash you did alternating one into as [TS]

01:44:15   fast as you could [TS]

01:44:16   another hardware breaking game yeah that [TS]

01:44:18   was on the Apple to as well as that's [TS]

01:44:20   where i jacked up my keyboard on the [TS]

01:44:22   Apple to was called the olympic [TS]

01:44:23   decathlon and I still think about that [TS]

01:44:25   game every time i hear the Olympic theme [TS]

01:44:27   song because the 8-bit version of the [TS]

01:44:30   Olympic song that came out of the [TS]

01:44:31   computer start with me it was a bigger [TS]

01:44:33   deal with the Apple too though because [TS]

01:44:34   that keyboard is built right into the [TS]

01:44:36   rest of the computer [TS]

01:44:37   oh yeah oh you didn't want to jack up [TS]

01:44:40   your one and two and that start work led [TS]

01:44:43   to the old republic that councils a [TS]

01:44:45   computer game at a council gain my [TS]

01:44:48   ultimate pic was Ultima 4 which was my [TS]

01:44:51   first ultimate had a cloth map and a pc [TS]

01:44:55   shareware game called Snipes that I [TS]

01:44:58   don't think I dreamed but i can't find [TS]

01:45:00   anything about it on the internet it got [TS]

01:45:02   put away for tax evasion you run around [TS]

01:45:04   shooting things and amazed [TS]

01:45:06   Wow all right very nice thats way to the [TS]

01:45:10   lighting all right Erica what did you [TS]

01:45:14   have left [TS]

01:45:15   not a whole lot i kept my list short [TS]

01:45:17   because I knew how many of us different [TS]

01:45:18   quick to be so my leftovers are simcity [TS]

01:45:22   2000 which was my first simcity game [TS]

01:45:25   played mostly in chemistry class because [TS]

01:45:27   i had a pretty awesome teacher mist [TS]

01:45:30   which was super super fun and one of the [TS]

01:45:34   first games that that had a soundtrack [TS]

01:45:36   that just like has sucked me in ambient [TS]

01:45:38   noise and whatnot and then I just based [TS]

01:45:41   on the amount of time I spent playing [TS]

01:45:43   anyone game it was the 2005 original [TS]

01:45:46   version of jewel quest so not the lame [TS]

01:45:48   version that you can play face [TS]

01:45:50   look now like the actual game with all [TS]

01:45:52   of the the the boards of the Mayan mine [TS]

01:45:55   God's talking to you and stuff that was [TS]

01:45:58   awesome and then last but not least [TS]

01:45:59   minesweeper da3 better huh well you [TS]

01:46:03   can't make any more pics about that [TS]

01:46:05   no what no one is brave enough to [TS]

01:46:06   solitary yeah not yet thought about it [TS]

01:46:08   but I play minesweeper a lot more Tony [TS]

01:46:11   my next pic would have been starcraft [TS]

01:46:14   which I consider a classic real-time [TS]

01:46:16   strategy game also if you notice [TS]

01:46:18   half-life grim fandango if the dark [TS]

01:46:20   project and starcraft which are some of [TS]

01:46:21   the best games ever made all came out [TS]

01:46:23   the same year 1998 good year for video [TS]

01:46:26   games other games that i like they're on [TS]

01:46:28   my list [TS]

01:46:29   deus ex is a classic first-person [TS]

01:46:32   shooter RPG cyberpunk game Sam and Max [TS]

01:46:34   in the road is one of my favorite [TS]

01:46:36   adventure games based on the wacky [TS]

01:46:38   comics by Steve Purcell secret of monkey [TS]

01:46:40   island was probably kind of my first [TS]

01:46:42   adventure game which is a amazing game [TS]

01:46:44   that's been ported to many things but [TS]

01:46:45   has been mentioned it's hilarious [TS]

01:46:47   it has insult swordfighting it's great [TS]

01:46:50   you should play it on [TS]

01:46:51   yes Dan drafted TIE fighter because he's [TS]

01:46:55   good [TS]

01:46:55   the sims is basically you know if [TS]

01:46:59   minecraft is free legos forever The Sims [TS]

01:47:01   is playing with dolls forever but you [TS]

01:47:03   know I spent a summer doing that um and [TS]

01:47:06   last but not least counter-strike which [TS]

01:47:08   similar to portal is but it was [TS]

01:47:10   basically a half-life mod that somehow [TS]

01:47:12   became its own game which is fantastic [TS]

01:47:13   and i played for hundreds and hundreds [TS]

01:47:16   of hours at one point I got banned from [TS]

01:47:18   a server because they assumed I was [TS]

01:47:19   cheating because I was doing what I [TS]

01:47:22   hadn't died in life I've efforts so yeah [TS]

01:47:25   those are my games there enough we won't [TS]

01:47:27   judge you [TS]

01:47:27   Steve all right brace yourself [TS]

01:47:31   let's see first my first video of my [TS]

01:47:35   first computer game mystery house not a [TS]

01:47:37   great game but but a good one [TS]

01:47:40   I see scrolling down [TS]

01:47:44   Wing Commander which was the superior [TS]

01:47:46   space combat game Ultima 4 was already [TS]

01:47:51   mentioned neuromancer a great great / [TS]

01:47:56   art an RPG / adventure hybrid robot [TS]

01:47:59   Rascals from nineteen eighty six grand [TS]

01:48:02   theft auto 3 [TS]

01:48:03   Gabriel Knight sins of the fathers the [TS]

01:48:08   little computer people project which [TS]

01:48:09   predated the sims by about 20 years [TS]

01:48:11   alter ego Archon Archon oh man [TS]

01:48:17   archon was wonderful that was great i [TS]

01:48:20   played with played the heck out of that [TS]

01:48:22   Seven Cities of Gold the bard's tale [TS]

01:48:25   pinball Construction Set ya sub logic [TS]

01:48:29   flight simulator which I log far more [TS]

01:48:32   hours into than I care to mention [TS]

01:48:33   especially considering the NSA is [TS]

01:48:35   probably listening law of the West crush [TS]

01:48:39   crumble and chomp Planescape torment and [TS]

01:48:42   Ultima Underworld lots of ultimate [TS]

01:48:46   coming out here lots of good games as [TS]

01:48:49   well it should be [TS]

01:48:50   John your list i tried to him I was [TS]

01:48:53   short too and you see I got less than [TS]

01:48:55   half of it huh [TS]

01:48:56   the next game on my list is a ribbon [TS]

01:48:58   which like Star Wars is the rare case [TS]

01:48:59   where the sequel is better than the [TS]

01:49:01   original lunar rescue I would have [TS]

01:49:04   picked it but I could never finish it so [TS]

01:49:06   i picked mr. which they did finished [TS]

01:49:08   oh you missed that was his great great [TS]

01:49:11   endgame gonna rescue which is a game you [TS]

01:49:13   none of you have ever heard of this is a [TS]

01:49:14   mac game and this has the distinction of [TS]

01:49:16   being a game [TS]

01:49:17   I've always games with my own money [TS]

01:49:18   because my parents and we playing games [TS]

01:49:20   i bought their rescue twice because the [TS]

01:49:22   floppy disk went bad and i still have [TS]

01:49:23   both original boxes and both lobbyists [TS]

01:49:25   which are both probably now bad and [TS]

01:49:27   that's another game my friend and i both [TS]

01:49:28   played together side-by-side quick 33 [TS]

01:49:31   arena which has already been picked the [TS]

01:49:32   best pure first-person shooter [TS]

01:49:34   multiplayer game i think to this day I [TS]

01:49:36   and unreal tournament 2004 which is the [TS]

01:49:39   first time I really got into a game like [TS]

01:49:41   sort of a more modern FPS with vehicles [TS]

01:49:44   and more complicated game tights and we [TS]

01:49:46   play that we put that pretty much every [TS]

01:49:48   gay day at lunch for like two years at [TS]

01:49:50   one of the jobs i had all right my list [TS]

01:49:54   i have marathon too because i had to [TS]

01:49:57   pick up version of marathon and that was [TS]

01:50:00   my favorite marathon too great [TS]

01:50:02   multiplayer my first real lengthy time [TS]

01:50:06   playing first-person shooter was really [TS]

01:50:08   good good story to it's stories like [TS]

01:50:10   marathon one before half-time yes oh yes [TS]

01:50:13   several years before half-life karateka [TS]

01:50:16   I'm [TS]

01:50:17   during my karateka t-shirt right now I [TS]

01:50:19   love karateka on the Apple to play that [TS]

01:50:21   a lot love that game [TS]

01:50:23   choplifter from rotor button for the [TS]

01:50:26   Apple top lifter night you got you got [TS]

01:50:29   your little helicopter guy you gotta [TS]

01:50:31   pick up the guys you know it was great [TS]

01:50:33   dan gorlin ultima three exodus is on my [TS]

01:50:37   list i played out all the way through an [TS]

01:50:40   8th grade in the hallway [TS]

01:50:42   our teacher when we were done with our [TS]

01:50:43   way in class work we just let us go in [TS]

01:50:45   the hallway and play ultimate three on [TS]

01:50:47   the Apple to that was out there and we [TS]

01:50:49   played it all the way through that was [TS]

01:50:51   the first game i heared how to how to [TS]

01:50:52   cheat on i think we had a sector and we [TS]

01:50:55   can we took our safe files and checked [TS]

01:50:59   up on our steps [TS]

01:51:00   Oh shame on you yeah i think there is a [TS]

01:51:03   utility that did that I do remember that [TS]

01:51:04   now [TS]

01:51:05   shame on you I in the text adventure [TS]

01:51:09   category i wanted to mention scott adams [TS]

01:51:11   pirate adventure that's the first real [TS]

01:51:13   text adventure that I played and I [TS]

01:51:15   played it all the way through to the end [TS]

01:51:17   and I figured out every last little bit [TS]

01:51:19   of it [TS]

01:51:20   I know it's not as fashionable as the [TS]

01:51:22   infocomm games which were much more [TS]

01:51:23   nuanced and well-written but that was [TS]

01:51:26   what I first saw and I I could remember [TS]

01:51:29   details of it every time anybody [TS]

01:51:31   mentioned among groups or a cobra I [TS]

01:51:33   don't think rikki-tikki-tavi I think you [TS]

01:51:35   can get the Mongoose and drop it in [TS]

01:51:36   front of the Cobra and then you can get [TS]

01:51:39   in the door so i love scott adams games [TS]

01:51:42   on all my computers to ya really don't [TS]

01:51:44   hold up yeah i'm sure they don't know [TS]

01:51:46   but I've got that map in my head [TS]

01:51:48   somewhere [TS]

01:51:48   the first great game i ever played with [TS]

01:51:51   a mouse's shuffle puck cafe [TS]

01:51:54   yes fantastic fantastic game it's its [TS]

01:51:58   air hockey except your original mac [TS]

01:52:01   mouse was the air hockey paddle used to [TS]

01:52:04   cheat it that by making a paddle as wide [TS]

01:52:06   as yeah these folks haha that's another [TS]

01:52:09   thing with mouse control you couldn't [TS]

01:52:11   play that with a paddle or a joystick [TS]

01:52:12   would be impossible [TS]

01:52:13   no it was made for a mouse and you [TS]

01:52:15   played various characters aliens I was [TS]

01:52:18   said and basically like a star wars [TS]

01:52:19   cantina ripoff [TS]

01:52:20   exactly and they all have different [TS]

01:52:21   powers and you too and then you just [TS]

01:52:23   some of the others think I like [TS]

01:52:24   levitated the paddle like weed control [TS]

01:52:26   is hardly with their mind it was [TS]

01:52:28   surprisingly deep and [TS]

01:52:30   Christine gameplay from the AIS they [TS]

01:52:31   were very very different from each other [TS]

01:52:33   you know I was great and then I got two [TS]

01:52:35   oddballs I pic tetris why not pick pipe [TS]

01:52:37   dream which i love [TS]

01:52:39   oh yeah love it that which would appear [TS]

01:52:41   which would appear in future games many [TS]

01:52:43   many times over as a minigame is there a [TS]

01:52:46   good version of pipe dream for the [TS]

01:52:48   iPhone because I would really like to [TS]

01:52:50   play that game on the iphone and the [TS]

01:52:51   ipad i love that game that was LucasArts [TS]

01:52:54   game to wasn't yeah what so what that [TS]

01:52:57   game i played the mac version i played [TS]

01:53:00   the mac version too but I'm just saying [TS]

01:53:01   it would be nice with that's LucasArts [TS]

01:53:04   before they were LucasArts John that was [TS]

01:53:06   a DA that wasn't even a full game it was [TS]

01:53:09   a DA having it was in the Apple menu [TS]

01:53:12   no it's great and last i got to mention [TS]

01:53:14   it because it would be my children's [TS]

01:53:15   choice [TS]

01:53:16   minecraft Oh minecraft which is obsessed [TS]

01:53:20   my children and when they have their own [TS]

01:53:21   whatever the 20 20 is 20 30 is [TS]

01:53:25   equivalent of a podcast is and they're [TS]

01:53:27   reminiscing about video games through 3d [TS]

01:53:29   telepathic whatever they will toss will [TS]

01:53:31   be the game they avoid because they know [TS]

01:53:33   everybody else is going to pick they [TS]

01:53:34   exactly everybody will pick minecraft [TS]

01:53:37   and talk about all the different mods if [TS]

01:53:38   my child is any indication they will [TS]

01:53:39   still be playing it yes my children may [TS]

01:53:42   be playing it right now [TS]

01:53:43   so those are my pics and that's it we we [TS]

01:53:45   talked about the computer games didn't [TS]

01:53:47   weigh the rot your brains are bad for [TS]

01:53:49   you damn kids [TS]

01:53:50   the computer games yeah look how we all [TS]

01:53:52   turned out stay away kids stay away [TS]

01:53:54   definitely definitely a bad sign [TS]

01:53:58   you just don't do it don't do it we are [TS]

01:54:01   let us be an object lesson to you don't [TS]

01:54:04   go down our path [TS]

01:54:05   alright i would like to thank my [TS]

01:54:06   shameless sad video game homeless [TS]

01:54:09   destroyed destitute video game addicts [TS]

01:54:12   just shameless is quite accurate [TS]

01:54:15   I am unemployed so there's bad have you [TS]

01:54:18   no shame [TS]

01:54:18   Monty nope ok I should that but you [TS]

01:54:22   don't I accepted who IM long ago [TS]

01:54:25   okay good good for you so I'd like to [TS]

01:54:26   thank in order of initiative I'd like to [TS]

01:54:29   thank my guests and more and thanks for [TS]

01:54:30   thanks for being here [TS]

01:54:32   I got a stable few hours and play video [TS]

01:54:34   games now [TS]

01:54:35   thanks Jason you're welcome many of [TS]

01:54:37   these games are available on emulators [TS]

01:54:38   for you to play play some loadrunner i [TS]

01:54:40   recommend i prescribed to you load [TS]

01:54:42   runner [TS]

01:54:43   yeah and when you get tired of that [TS]

01:54:44   tetris really good for RSI if you want [TS]

01:54:47   to get scrip for scrip for sleeping if [TS]

01:54:49   you'd like to get some RSI tetris is how [TS]

01:54:51   to get it [TS]

01:54:52   that's all I'm saying Monty Ashley hello [TS]

01:54:55   thank you goodbye hell yes I was like [TS]

01:55:00   hope that's okay [TS]

01:55:02   oh thank you for being here [TS]

01:55:05   I was glad to be here and reminisce [TS]

01:55:07   about the things with which I wasted my [TS]

01:55:09   life [TS]

01:55:10   yeah yep yep we had a good time doing it [TS]

01:55:12   didn't we [TS]

01:55:13   yep Erica and sign thank you thank you [TS]

01:55:17   you know it's a good thing I don't have [TS]

01:55:18   a job right now because now i'm inspired [TS]

01:55:20   to play through ultimate 7000 me like [TS]

01:55:23   three months alright it's good and [TS]

01:55:25   ultimately we got everybody had some [TS]

01:55:27   ultimate on their list almost it's [TS]

01:55:28   that's pretty cool [TS]

01:55:29   nope I think I'm having the only on not [TS]

01:55:31   ultimately that was formative I Tony [TS]

01:55:34   sindelar thank you i'm totally still [TS]

01:55:37   awake [TS]

01:55:37   thank you that's good you can trick go [TS]

01:55:39   back to sleep Tony it's okay this is [TS]

01:55:41   just a dream [TS]

01:55:42   it's been a dream this dream is so listy [TS]

01:55:45   yeah I know draft coming soon had a [TS]

01:55:49   dream that I was drafting things Steve [TS]

01:55:52   let's thank you for being here and CC [TS]

01:55:55   colon CD backsplash games backslash and [TS]

01:55:59   PS civ dot that alright sorry Jason you [TS]

01:56:06   say something I nope [TS]

01:56:09   oh alright alright just get so much skin [TS]

01:56:11   civilization go ahead [TS]

01:56:12   excellent John siracusa thanks for being [TS]

01:56:15   here how do you feel about a classic mac [TS]

01:56:17   games draft Jason would that just be you [TS]

01:56:21   and me didn't you guys just kind of do [TS]

01:56:23   that haha no idea how deep this rabbit [TS]

01:56:26   hole goes it does it does i didn't get a [TS]

01:56:30   mac until i was a sophomore in college [TS]

01:56:31   but it still goes deep because once [TS]

01:56:34   you're in college you really have time [TS]

01:56:36   to kill Lou and yes that's it it's just [TS]

01:56:41   me thank you me you're welcome post how [TS]

01:56:44   much we just broke down here at least we [TS]

01:56:47   have this recorded see kids don't play [TS]

01:56:49   video games [TS]

01:56:51   alright thanks to everybody out there [TS]

01:56:52   for listening to be uncomfortable [TS]

01:56:55   yeah don't listen to your parents play [TS]

01:56:56   some video games they're fun goodnight [TS]

01:56:59   everybody [TS]