Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this set is the show this episode of [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► Roderick on the line is sponsored by [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► cards against community this week they [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► asked James T green to help say hi to [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► john overcome [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Moreland how's it going [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► mmm mmm it's so good to be back [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► oh you're sick i belittle sick you right [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► you're still sick [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► it was a it was a bad one it was a it [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► was a virus has snuck past see I got a [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► flu shot wasn't a flu virus it was a [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► other virus no mystery virus that snuck [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► past every all of my defenses and then [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► conned me into thinking it was just a [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► normal cold for a couple of days [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► oh my my battery won't start my family's [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► in the car down here to interview for a [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► job [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► yep yep exactly hey classic fan belt my [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► fan belt fuckinf and I got a fan belt [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► right here to prove it also must be a [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► teacher right so it's one o'clock in the [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► morning and i'm usually once again I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► story seemed like a nice virus your [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► cleaner articulate sure come on in [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► yeah so I had a little sore throat a [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► little stuffy nose and then in the [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► middle of the night I was a hundred and [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► four degrees and then I was freezing [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► cold and then I was honored for degrees [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► and I was like this is no normal cold [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► man and then I had a fever for three [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► days and then I went to the doctor [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► oh shit i don't do know and I was like [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► you gotta be kidding me with this [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► let me guess you told you you had a [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► virus but dr. it was a she and she said [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► you have a virus and she said with us [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► like a smirk on her face like she knows [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you're sure it's yeah she was like ya [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► know you're sick are ya good you came to [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► the doctor [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► yeah happens sometimes you good thing he [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► came it is a good thing you came because [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it could have been something worse and [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► that's why we ordered all these tests [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► but she did an amazing thing she hooked [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► me up to an IV and gave me a whole bag [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► of what is probably you know radon [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► medical benefits medical grade right on [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yeah but a plump me right back up and I [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► was like oh I was dehydrated in addition [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► to being all these other things feverish [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and me shitting me the actually [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► connected connected you up to a bag just [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► the old me up with what saline and they [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► need [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► better i felt better i mean i didn't [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► feel great no no but I mean I would do [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► anything to not feel terrible [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► yeah just get hooked up to a bag once in [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► awhile and feel better that was the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► thing i SAT there and I was like can you [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► throw some vitamin b12 in that too and [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► whatever else give me some of that shit [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that Kennedy had all the Kennedy shit [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the addison yes fighter [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► yeah give me the give me the Hitler shit [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► in the Kennedy shit and I'll go out and [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► run for president [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► anyway so I'm on the mend but here's the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► here's the caveat which is that i may [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► explode into a coughing fit that no one [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► wants to hear and as you know i don't [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► have a cough button so if it happens I [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► don't know whether you can insert some [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► hold music or cut it out or whatever it [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► is the I think it could probably guess [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► what i'm gonna do i'm just gonna listen [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► listen politely [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► oh but it's so this is a very real cough [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► that I have right now which is a which [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► is a cough where I am I'm off-gassing [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► right examples insurance it's not gas i [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► am yeah i'm i'm usin xing it's [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► productive cough it up that's exactly [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► right it's a productive cough so i'm not [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► sure that our listeners around the world [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► are prepared for what it sounds like [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► when someone in seattle offloads yeah [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► you guys think these umbrellas [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► yeah offload some of that moisture that [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► i collected when they put me on a bag I [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► realize you're in a vulnerable place [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► right now this is too philosophical of a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► question feel free to secure it going on [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► I'm just curious i know you like to [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► avoid you know intoxicants strategy for [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► purposes of intoxication you don't even [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► generally like to take cold medicine [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► true [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► Howard is saline from a Mad Max bag what [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► does that fall on your spectrum of [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► acceptable things to bring your body you [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► know this is a very good question [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► because I'm very [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► in toxicants I don't partake of because [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► they are they present a risk to me I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► feel [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► mhm whereas a bag of ceiling it's [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► unlikely enough that i'll have a that i [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► befriend or street friend that knows how [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► to put an IV in and has a bag of saline [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► or can make it available and it didn't [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► make me feel that amazing it was just [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► like oh shit that what that's like I [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► just drank six cups of water [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► alright if you're still part of this is [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► dehydration when you get not even all [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► yeah you're just like I don't want to go [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► downstairs and drink water and shivering [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► I'm just so you and then everybody says [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► you gotta keep hydrated got to keep you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hydrated [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► it's like I'm fine I'm fine but I had [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► I'd run down so I i'm ok with i'm ok [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► with sailing but this is one of those [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► this is a deeper question I think you're [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► asking is kind of a deeper question [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► because yeah go ahead but I i think [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► there's two things at least two parts to [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► it with you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► mmm and it started out as one and became [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► another winning first watch want to say [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► I think the idea that max bags terrific [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► idea i think he did the right thing I [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► think even you put some vitamins in [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► there I don't think that's so bad right [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► what I hear you saying is there is a [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► time when substances were trouble for me [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► and I know to avoid certain i [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► deliberately deliberately ingesting [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► something to make me feel very different [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► on whatever level so obviously this [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► nonsense i also think there's something [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► to it it's more from your like your [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Alaskan stock which is you're like I [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► want to see if I can do this whole thing [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► without the epidural like I want to see [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► I don't even want something even if it's [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► something that's been nine even if it's [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► a placebo don't want to placebo because [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► i could think I could do without right [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► and and you know if I were a woman I [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► know that and I were pregnant I know [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► that I would want to have the baby the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► old-fashioned way and screaming that's [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► right screaming and habits or ruin my [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► body as it happens because that's how [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► God intended [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► haha and there are plenty plenty of [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► people that I respect very much they're [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► like are you crazy [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► if you have a caesarean section you can [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► schedule the moment the baby arrives [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► go to the hospital go to sleep and when [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► you wake up there's a baby there and [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► everything was monitored and it is in [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► your you know and you did not get split [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► in half by a giant bubble of fat huh [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► um and and that makes perfect sense to [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► me and it is like that technology is [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► here why do why not employ it but i but [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► I still personally would not find that [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► convincing because I would think that in [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► the experience of having a kid there [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► would be some mystery that i would [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► unlock some lasting reverberation in me [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► and the kid that couldn't be duplicated [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► if nothing else you might always wonder [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► what it would have been like yeah and i [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► think the cesarean people are like yeah [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► uh-huh okay well i think i can handle [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► imagining what are you know you're [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► pining for what it was like but I you [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► know I was healed in two days and and [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► could walk fine immediately and you know [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► so forth and so on so there are all [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► kinds of arguments like why don't you [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► use the most current technology why [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► haven't i got LASIK surgery for instance [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► walking around with glasses they no [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► longer really work for me because my [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► eyes are becoming dried-up little corn [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► husks why wouldn't I years ago i've [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► gotten it gotten gone and gotten laser [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► surgery uh-huh and you know there's a [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► there's a there's a part of me that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► feels like what if I'm trying to be an [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► astronaut and they're scanning me to see [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► if I am one of the genetically pure and [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► I see some kind of got Academy don't [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► think they go oh we've detected in [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► cyborg technology [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► yeah we've seen that you shaved your [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► eyes and if you have to [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► save your eyes that means you're not one [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► of the one of the goods could be [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► something as simple as you can you can't [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► handle the your eyes couldn't handle the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► pressure of takeoff or it could just be [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► you know what you're not really up for [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► this if your eyes shaved you should be [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► should be done in the commissary [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► well that's the thing it's just the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► nature of the fact that your eyes were [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► miss shapen means that you are [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► genetically inferior right that because [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► the the perfect the perfect aren't [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► perfect now of course if they're [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► measuring that type of thing they would [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► recognize my eyes were misshapen already [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and besides i'm 47 I'm not gonna be an [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► astronaut but it but it's that lingering [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► sense of like don't modify your closer [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► to having your ashes shot on the canon [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► essbase than you are to getting to ride [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► and take off [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► yeah i'm i'm hoping that one of our [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► listeners who works for NASA will name a [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► star after me but that was in control he [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► was keeping that one in control i added [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► some great [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► oh thank you so there's that and that [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► you know and that extends to like I [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► don't have any tattoos obviously but I [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► can't argue with anybody that does but [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► then we get into the category of [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► elective surgery which is akin to the I [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► shaving but like where is the word is [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► the line on elective surgery lay for me [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► and or lie i just know which is which [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► one would you use in that situation i [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► always i used the wrong one entire which [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► we're with the line lie [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yes we're with the line lie and you're [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► talking about an entire spectrum of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► different kinds of like so what kind of [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► surgery which is if we don't take out [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► your gallbladder and there's like an [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► eighty percent chance you'll die in the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► next month [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► who and I kind of non-elective you [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► really know you [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► we have the technology we can do this [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► your chances of living and having a good [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► life are better if we do this surgery [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► right it's over here right when you get [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► them wet very very far far far far far [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► end of the spectrum washing in trouble [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► for this [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► yeah but you've got like a re-up of [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► something like Botox yeah or you've got [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you know like reflect freshening up a [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► plastic eggs [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► listing plastic surgery who and then all [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► along the way on the spectrum you got [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► all kinds of things where you got stuff [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► like you know if there's certain kinds [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► of surgery you know sometimes when you [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► go into these especially going to like [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► these certain kinds of doctors with an [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► orthodontist or you go into a a what's [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► the what's the what's the doctors to the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► face surgery plastic surgery like more [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► plastic surgery then looking like a cat [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► lady look like that could be like we we [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► help you after a mastectomy to have like [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► you know what bus line that you can be [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► happy with there's all kinds of things [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► and plastic surgery that go way beyond [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► just like I'm a horrible person from Los [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► Angeles but sometimes I think what they [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► will do is they will also get your car [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► fixed it's like hey you know as long as [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► we're pulling the engine we probably [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► want to look at a couple other things [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► too because we're not gonna pull the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► engine that many times and there's some [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► things where you may not need it but we [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► could do it as a precaution you see [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► where I'm going with this since we're in [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► there anyway so for instance like my [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► teeth don't fit together and the doctors [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► have been telling me for years that the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► first thing they wanted to do [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► from the time I was 17 they're like we [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► gotta break this kids jaw and reset it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► in a different place so his teeth [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► together and I was like even at the time [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► I felt like that seems crazy they're [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like no no it's very routine we just [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► break your jaw and move it back and fit [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► your teeth together and then we you know [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► saw some part of your job and put it [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► back together you phrase it like that it [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► sounds you know we see it as break your [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► jaw it sounds like you know Lu's gonna [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► come in and give you a good stock to the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► to the face yeah but it's like cut both [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► sides of your John take some part of it [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► out but it's serious you know I have a [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► person very near and dear to me in my [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► life who had a procedure yeah yeah and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► there was it's a its enormous and a huge [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► deal [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► it felt like a huge deal that's exactly [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► right and then as I got older they [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► started saying that i granted to they [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► kept every dentist was like oh we got it [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► we got to cut your jaw in half and move [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► it back and I was like yeah yeah and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► then I started talking to some some oral [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► surgeons who are like no no we don't [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► break your jaw move it back anymore [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► what we do is we cut off your upper [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► palate [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► yeah entirely we cut your hole we saw [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► your top layer of teeth [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► off completely from your skull and move [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► them forward we move your top teeth [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► forward so they fit with your bottom [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► teeth because what happened was not that [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► your jaw grew too much which is what we [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► thought had happened but it was the top [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► of your that's that seems really extreme [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the top of your mouth face failed to [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► grow enough it seems like mowing your [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► lawn by making the neighborhood move [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► around under your house [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► oh I mean really doesn't that seem even [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► more extreme [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► I don't know break into saw your jaw or [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► cut the top of your head off i mean i [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► don't know i don't a bit of both things [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► seem crazy [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► yeah but what they were saying was that [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► it would it would make my teeth fit [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► better together which would which would [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► increase the longevity of my teeth [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► because right now the way they fit [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► together i'm slowly grinding them apart [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► and i'm going to grind my face apart [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► until it's just a soul patch touching a [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► nose and at every opportunity I've said [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► I don't don't want more performant even [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► say chin he said soul back just a soul [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► patch tickling your nose [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► hey guys however harbor I didn't want it [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► and you heard the new fastball you know [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► the last time I talked to dentist about [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► it i was 46 and I said I'm 46 imap [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► weight of the goal line and they were [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► like you're gonna need those teeth [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► I was like yeah i know but i'm hoping [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that technology somewhere along the line [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► can give me aluminum teeth your teeth [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► that are made of Plexiglas that have [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► little goldfish swimming in them or [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► something cool [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► who r I don't have to you don't have to [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► saw either part of my face and they just [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► shrug and go well that's what we do and [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► I'm like exactly that's what you do [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► right it's a failure of your imagination [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that's why you drive a porsche 911 [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► because you saw people spaces in half [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► I don't see it as a necessity but when [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► the guy said he was going to move the [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► top of my face [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► forward I did have a thought which was [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that is gonna make my mustache look very [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► oh because it's gonna push my mustache [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► out a little bit and I've always felt [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► like what now that you mention it I've [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► always felt like that my top the area [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► between the bottom of my nose in the top [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► of my lip was a little too small i had [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► always I'd never I guess I had never [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► thought of it that way [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you didn't because you really know [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► you're introducing something very [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► interesting here which is really truly [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► thinking about your face as having three [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► dimensions right kind of this instead of [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► saying like oh here's a here's a rough [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► drawing of an oval with some dots on it [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► uses a three-dimensional thing you're [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► talking about adding architectural [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► e-learning more bioavailable mustache [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► surface so we hit so what happened was [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► from a young age I wanted a mustache [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► when I was 17 I wanted a mustache and of [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► course God realized that this was [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► something I wanted and God was going to [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► deny this to me because that's the [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► mysterious way that God works it's true [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► he wants to put obstacles in front of [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► you in order to you know test team and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► so I have studied men's mustaches over [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► the years very closely and all the most [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► ashes that you'd like the Tom Selleck's [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► of the world if you look at Tom Selleck [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► he has an enormous area between the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► bottom of his nose in the top of his lip [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► it's a fucking soccer field you are [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you're changing the whole way I think [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► about mustaches and you're filling in a [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► lot of holes for why mustaches look [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► weird sometimes [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► yeah so he's got this huge areas got [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► this big mustache it looks great and [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► then you start looking at men's faces [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► and you say uh this area between the [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► bottom of the nose and the top of the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► lip is a very crucial area for men to [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► look trustworthy and capable if you look [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► at door but the Greek he's got a big [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► area there like all the guys that you [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► instinctively go how this guy is going [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► to handle things thinking about thinking [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► about Sam Elliott Samuel it's got a huge [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► area [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► he's got a huge area which can [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► accommodate eight a frankly enormous [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► mustache you the future [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► tried to grow a what-do-you-call-it area [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► between your lips in your nose and the [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► top of your hunger under knows your mind [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► your mustache holder moustache if you're [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► you know what I mean the conveyance the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► budget motherfucker your-your-your [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► trough you got you got you got your hair [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► trough under your nose if that is even [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► just on my gosh it's just my co meters [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► too small you're not gonna be able to do [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► too much with that and so gonna be like [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► one of those guys you can't really grow [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► a beard but keep trying to grow up here [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► and you're like you just feel like a [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► gray stop doing that [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► yes so I so my whole my whole young life [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► 21 24 26 I got a big huge beard I got a [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► big beard shaped face and I've got this [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► little teeny little you know like hand [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► strap this little blonde sort of wispy [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► little moustache that's in an area too [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► small to contain a mustache and there's [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► nothing you can do about that nothing I [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► can do about it and so all of all the [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► great mustaches [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► I was just like yeah you know Rob [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► Delaney the comedian if you look at Rob [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► Delaney he's got a huge nose trough huge [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► mustache trough doing Rob Delaney is a [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► famous TV show right guys on some [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► british TV show I look at that guy look [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► at that money is a handsome guy [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► well see and how much of that handsome [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► this is just that area [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► yeah so they're talking about this [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► enormous song of my face to get my teeth [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► fitting together better which seemed to [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► me to be a completely like it's just up [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► a Porsche conveyance for these for these [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► doctors because they're just they're [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► sitting in those conferences in in las [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► vegas where all but all the oral [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► surgeons get together and they're saying [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► what's a new thing that we can do i tell [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► i totally agree i hate to admit this but [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► I and then the problem is i argue with [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► our friend John syracuse about this [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► because I honestly I don't have any way [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► of being able to judge when they're just [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► saying some shit vs giving me life [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► saving advice [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► it is indistinguishable they never give [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► you a percentage esta [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► how much what they're saying might be [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► totally might be total bullshit that [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► only makes sense for a little while they [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► could be fucking Theodoric of York for [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► all I know [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► yeah well and this happens at [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► universities all the time right at [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► somebody gets up and they give a paper [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► they write a book and they're like what [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► if X was why what if blue was orange and [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► if it if it makes sense then everybody [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► suddenly he's like well x is why blue is [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► orange and so a dentist gets up at a one [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► of these conferences and gives a [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► presentation a TEDTalk where he's like [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► one time I saw the guy's face in half [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and moved his teeth around and boy the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► results were amazing [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► he never had any problems after that and [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► then all of a sudden everybody in the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► room is convinced that is that that's a [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► key surgery a key thing that as that [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► makes modern life better and we need to [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► like we need to encourage people that [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► have this problem i think half the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► population their teeth put together [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► right one [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► she's got so much feeling about this [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► because I mean there are the kinds of [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► things but you're talking about the tea [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► thing having been around this in my [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► household is that there's more to it [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► than my teeth don't fit together even in [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the case of my daughter she's got [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► retainers because her teeth are going to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► come in we're in a way that's about way [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► more than whether she can be a model [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► where we are going to be an impact there [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► could be there's all kinds of things [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► that can happen get TMJ you get all [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► these different things that can happen [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► so you know you want you want to nip [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that in the bud sure if you are if you [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► have to know on whale blubber in order [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► to survive a winter you can make it you [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► know what those teeth to be strong [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► certainly you can advocate for Wales um [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► yeah and then yeah that's so but my [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► thing was how so all of a sudden I was [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► considering this surgery in part because [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► so many dentists had recommended it but [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► now suddenly him part because it was [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► potentially going to increase my [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► mustache area now i'm listening and so [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► then I had a crisis right like a like a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► like a conundrum like a like a serious [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► sort of spiritual crisis how much of [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► this now am i considering as an elective [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► surgery [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► Oh am I going if somebody said hey we've [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► got a new surgery that expands your [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► mustache [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► area i would say that's ridiculous but [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► what if I get this necessary tooth [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► surgery that just coincidentally expand [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► my mustache area so only I know until [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► until now when i'm reporting it to [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► everyone [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► well sort of like you were you know like [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► you introduced me to hydrogen peroxide [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► in your early days you would use that [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► you know as a surfactant and as a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► mouthwash as a debriding agent but also [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► as a way to deal with your allergy to [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► yourself you remember you discovered as [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► a side effect of that you also got super [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► cool blonde hair out of it move it was [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► wasn't a similar uh black dark night of [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► the soul for you it was and you will [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► notice that I don't ever put hydrogen [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► peroxide on my head anymore didn't know [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► you could do it right now [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► that's right not because I didn't like [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► the blonde hair that it gave me but [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► because i know that it will do that and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► so doing it now even to counteract the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► fact that my body is trying to kill [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► itself seems like secretly I would be [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► doing it in order to go [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► oopsie i got blond hair which I don't [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► you know like this is the thing with [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► taking cold medicine it's like oopsy now [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► I'm hi what can I do about a better have [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► more cold medicine is good for me [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► yeah i'm sick i need cold medicine and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► then you know that i'm i'm i'm riding [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► across America on the back of a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► motorcycle with some guy named Steve so [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► that's not what I want right now and so [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► all these things it's like how much are [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► how much of those secondary repairs that [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► follow upon a quote-unquote necessary [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► surgery you know what he how many [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► decisions are getting made in that gray [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► space uh-huh so and there are elective [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► surgeries that are intentionally [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► augmentative and then there are electric [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► surgeries where you know like for [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► instance my second toe is longer than [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► the first two makes you smart [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► well yeah it means I'm descended from [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► Russian royalty [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► no kidding well it means you're smart i [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► means you're smart because you're [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► descended from royalty and everyone [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► knows they're the smartest QED right [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► so excuse me not wrong [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► mm-hmm I'm so let's say rather than [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► taking pride in the fact that my second [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► toe is longer than the first which i do [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► because i have somewhat of a set of [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► prehensile feet of monkey says a monkey [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► toes which enable me to grab and peel an [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► orange with my toes that's an adaptation [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that's nice to have no I know what [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► people are self-conscious about their [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► monkeytoes I feel like that's a mitzvah [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► well see this is the thing I feel like [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► having a little Donald Trump Towers [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► nobody wants those but let's say blue [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► but let's say you are somebody who looks [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► down at your feet and says oh they are [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► grotesque and misshapen if there were [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► surgery and perhaps there is to have [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► your second toe shortened or all your [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► toes short but it's really [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► and here's the funny thing about that [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► second toe longer thing if you look at [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► my feet you realize it is the first toe [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► which is too short [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► it's not that the second toe is longer [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it's the big toes too small [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► that's how that's how all the second to [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► longer people get away but that's not [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► mine band [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► yeah if your if your big toe was long [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► enough you'd have normal-looking feet [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that will not you don't want a big tits [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► too long that you know that thumb [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► well if my big toe as long as long as my [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► second toe it would look like it would [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► not only look like a thumb it would [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► function as a thumb and i would not be [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► living here people are just brothers at [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the same time be I would be in Tahiti I [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► would be king of tea and that sounds [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► pretty good i wish that might so let's [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► say there's an elective surgery that [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► shortens my second toe to make my feet [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► look normal yeah or an elective surgery [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► that in long gates my big toe so that i [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► can become king of Tahiti yeah which one [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of those acquits with my idea of of what [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► you know personally which one would [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► equipped with my sort of validity needs [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► given that they are both a kind of [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► elective cosmetic surgery which one is [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► would keep you sure to your to your [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► final form [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► who write but when you describe the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► palate slicing technique that sounds [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► more like we're going to move all four [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► toes that aren't your second toe and [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► pull them out and make them longer [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► mhm boil the ocean model for teeth you [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah well I'm so many elective [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► surgeries are so so to take this to a [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► wired magazine place which I know you [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► and I like to do because we thought [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► leaders are technologists how many [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► articles of you read in Wired magazine [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► about enhancement drugs that are going [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► to make you better faster stronger [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► you're going to be creating apps while [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you sleep [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► this was a hot topic in the late [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► nineties right and I dipped I dipped one [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► of my perfectly normal-sized toes into [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► this topic a little bit which is smart [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► drugs to this day I continue to take a [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► version of smart drugs for things [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► oh well they have less of an impact [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► because if they're having to fight off [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► you know me [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► right right but there was a time when [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► this is a very hot topic i feel this is [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► like a wired magazine post rave future's [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► so bright I gotta wear shades thing [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► where you're going to be able to create [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► your own personal cocktails putting it [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► too clearly but cocktail of different [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► drugs that would enable you to to be [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► your your best self is your best self [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► not with the goal of intoxication or [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► enlightenment but just basically what [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► unlocking potential that's otherwise [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► difficult to access the whole business [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► of like the only use ten percent your [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► brain business which is not true but [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► let's but but a lot of those wired [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► magazine think pieces let's call some of [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► them think pieces some of them were just [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► reportage and some of them were were [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► think pieces start out with coverage on [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► a scene move his coverage of the smart [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► drug scene that's right we've heard [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► about let's talk to some of these people [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that's kind of where we are right now [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► people want to be robots there's a [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► largest general coverage of like oh I've [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► got this thing like a hard thing on NPR [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► which is like the wired of the 2010 mom [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► of a guy who has a thing that he has an [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► Augmented antenna for his head to help [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► you see colors because he's colorblind [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► oh so you know I'm i support that people [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► razem I guess he looks like an [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► anglerfish like a female anglerfish [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► people rise [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► my body's got a henna that helps them [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► see colors oh and it's necessary that it [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► be an antenna it's not a it's not a [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► thing where he was like can you make [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that look like an antenna because i am a [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► no it's not a glamour I say anything but [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► don't know but no you're right that's [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► what starts and then you get into the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► whole like I think he gets into the only [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► going to the first person reportage like [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► I tried taking piracy them from want to [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► see what happens right then of course [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► you get into the double thinks the the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► tricky three-part turn american life [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► version of like do smart drugs really do [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► whoops they do it's not what we expected [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► whoops twist again right and that and [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► the twist the ultimate twist is always [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► if you don't take smart drugs are you [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► gonna be able to keep up [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► yeah are you going to be are you going [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► to be competitive [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► are you gonna be still working on your [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► first app when the people at your school [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► who weren't even as smart as you write [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► are already making their sixth or [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► seventh app right are you still working [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► on your first TED talk when you know [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► when the little kids are still sketching [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► it out while this guy down the street he [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► got a couple shots of saline back in [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► 2002 and now look where he is yeah he's [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► done he's done like six tedtalks he's [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► got venture capital funding he's got an [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► app that makes apps you know everything [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► you know and you're in you're sitting [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► there with your dick in your hand [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► wondering if you should if you should [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► make something for the blackberry [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► yeah he said Nicholas he's sitting at a [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► cosmodrome somewhere getting ready to be [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► blasted up to the ISS yeah right [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► Darth Vader helmet put on for which he's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► paid for with the fuckin petty cash [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► right and you are driving around in a [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► Honda Civic trying to figure out evil [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► what a nap is you gotta like 30 MW you [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► do you can't even trade your fucking [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► three-year-old BMW for a new BMW you see [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► this one leaving the leads are weak you [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► are weak believe you are wanting to even [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► set the time on a Rolex I don't even [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► know how you do it i think you need a [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► second rolex someone to two-factor [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► authentication you have the role you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► send the Rolex back [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► yep this is visit there's a very small [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► large fee for sending in the Rolex a set [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the time [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► they send it back but they give you a [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► loaner rolling to make sure that the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► time still correct Johnson just taking a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► minute to cough oh you sound like you're [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► getting better [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► whoa oh oh oh yeah that was great that [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► was uh yeah that was like it was like a [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► trout was living in my lungs [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► oh and now he's not there anymore huh [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► he's in a tissue on the table I think [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► tattoo removal is gonna be huge [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► well could be huge people have been [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► saying tattoo removal is going to be [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► huge for 20 years right [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► I told you the story about the guy who [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► had his who had his arms covered with [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► the like hot rod racing tattoos [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► the man's ruin tattoos and the tumbling [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► dice and the the naked devil girl [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► surrounded by a halo of flames and I I [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► told you this story don't tell me again [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► know not everybody listen to every [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► episode and i was i was with them at a [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► party and somebody's like we need [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► somebody to go on a beer run and I was [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► like it you got a car and he said yeah I [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► was like all right let's go let's go to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the beer store i think you know partly i [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► picked a more pointed them out because I [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► was like this guy's gonna have the hot [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► rod of all time [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► oh right he's got checkered flag cross [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► checkered flags on his forearm we get [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► out to his car and it's a 92 toyota two [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► wheel drive pickup man i was like got in [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► the Cardinals really disappointed and I [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► couldn't help but say something I was [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► like so what's the story man you got [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► this Toyota hear you always a place [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► hotrod tattoos to race motorcycles [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► there's like no so do you have a hot rod [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► somewhere no did you ever know [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► so what's what's what's with the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► hydrogen's like well this one used to be [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► a dancing bear and this one used to be [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► you know Pooh they're all cover-ups this [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► one was Winnie the Pooh flying a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► yin-yang flag [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► and this one over here was a fucking [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► smiling sun and this one was you know [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► Jerry's hand missing a finger and I was [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► like you are fucking kidding me you had [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► a hippie tattoos all over and now you've [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► got hot rod tattoos covering the Marlins [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► look you and I said what are you gonna [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► do when heart tattoos are the hippie [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► tattoos of the two thousands because the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► nineties are going to make the sixties [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► look like the fifties and he was like it [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► hadn't even occurred to him right and [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► that turns out I was wrong [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► hotrod punk-rock hotrod tattoos never go [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► out of style [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► he had fucked up the first time and [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► gotten hippie tattoos and then he [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► decided he didn't want to live in that [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► in the rarefied air of rainbow [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► gatherings and now he was he'd gone hot [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► rod and I'm sure he's still very happy [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► with those but uh but I people have been [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► saying tattoo removal tattoo removal but [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► I don't see it [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► I just see more and more tattoos all [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► that are you think it's like virtual [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► reality like we're just going to keep [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► hearing about it like every three to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► five years [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► well I've never really gonna get pay [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► it's just like moms and people that [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► didn't get tattoos constantly wanting to [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► be vindicated [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► uh-huh because to a certain minority but [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► i don't know if it's a minority but i [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► think i guess probably still the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► majority but to a certain group of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► people take a moral stand on tattoos and [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► they keep wanting to be vindicated right [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► be all you're gonna be sorry you're [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► going to be sorry and all the people [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► with tattoos continue to not be sorry [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► and there are plenty of people out there [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► who have aged to old age and died [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► already [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► who had tattoos the entire time and [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► we're not sorry a little bit well yeah [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► maybe I don't immoral in my case but I [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► mean part of it also is like there's [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► never is never a good day to be 75 and [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► go what the fuck did I do well yeah but [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► I this is the weird thing [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► what I have discovered in my long [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► travels is that there are people who do [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► not have a regret right i want to hear [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► this but all the reason I mention this [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► because my dad who let you know passed [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► away and making sense [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► before he had a tattoo removed oh what [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► was he when he's in Korea got an [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► ill-advised tattoo with the name of his [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► den fiance and his mother on it he was [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► drunk one night in tokyo on leave who [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► and got a tattoo [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► it's like the worst cliché of all time [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and he was not my mommy loves him he's [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► like I got to get this got to get this [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► removed i don't remember ever having [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► seen it but i guess i don't remember [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► exactly when he goes before I would have [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► cognizance of the these kinds of things [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► and apparently the lake late sixties [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► early seventies version of to having a [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► tattoo removal was not pretty [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► no I think they put us they put a [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► grinder on you it was I mean of the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► accounts that I've heard from my mom it [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► was just ridiculously unpleasant I guess [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► I so part of what i'm saying is yeah I'm [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► like to use whatever who cares but what [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► I'm saying is like also it like think [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► about a world where getting a tattoo [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► removed is eighteen ninety percent [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► ninety percent effective for most kinds [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► of tattoos that are colors that I heard [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► colors are really hard but color and [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► kind of things not going to well you [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► knows what is that from i know that [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► colors is colors colors colors so I [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► could die for your life when you shotgun [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► scatters the fort apache the bronx ilysm [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► colors colors [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► no I see I stigmatize te and but imagine [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► if we got to wear like you still get a [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► tattoo and commit to it but that doors [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► not closed forever [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► let's say it's about as hard as John [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► getting his teeth adjusted you go down [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► to the bartells and you get it done or [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► or somebody have salsa has two saw your [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► face [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► well i'm thinking like what if it's [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► enough we go again that's sure if I want [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► to do this and but let's say something [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► is really awful like save a tattoo or [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► something where like for any variety of [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► reasons like you know something outside [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► of your control like swastikas on your [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► knuckles Bill Cosby tattoo [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► let's say you gotta to the cause hmm so [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► even though i think we can all still say [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► he is easily one of the great stand-up [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► comedian of all time I don't know if I [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► want my face [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► mhm mhm know yet reasons at that point I [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► see what you're saying well you know [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► there are a lot of people I know and you [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► know who have one tattoo right like [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► Hodgman i hope i'm not giving anything [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► away here I don't think I am [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► he's pretty open about Hardman has one [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► tattoo Wow one tattoo which is a which [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► is an inexpert tattoo not quite a prison [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► tattoo put clothes which is up on his [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► shoulder and it is of a diamond tiny [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► blue diamond with little raise i guess [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► i've never seen him shirtless it's a [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► tiny little thing that he doesn't he has [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► an explanation for it doesn't buy [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► clothes around displaying it for example [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► no no it'sit's in the pits in a personal [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► area that you wouldn't see unless you [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► had seen Hodgman without a shirt on and [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► he I think spend a great many years [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► where he avoided that opportunity for [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► most people here is like most nerdy [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Radecki sure yeah that's right- you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► for years I would go swimming with [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► Hardman and he would swim in an outfit [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► back into a nineteenth-century swimming [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► costume which is perfectly in character [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► also look at like Gibson Girl going to [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► the bloomers canada didn't bloomers but [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► you know like a like a like an [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► old-fashioned weightlifters costume idea [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► with the curly mustache caliber and like [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► like a weight lifters costume but so he [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► has this tattoo and the thing is it is [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► it is absolutely ridiculous tattoo but [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► he's not ashamed of it he owns it [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► because it represents that moment in [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► time right and I think there are a lot [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► of people that have one tattoo who for [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► whom it represents a moment in time and [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► they wouldn't have it removed even if [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► they could because there it is right [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► it's there [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► look at it they say that yeah I was tore [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► me um but I wonder if you could just go [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► to bartells and get my that's not an [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► advertisement for bar teleport tells [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► John oh oh I'm sorry well now in that [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► case it isn't [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► advertisement for party drugstore to the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► drugstore in that started in seattle and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► my dad in the in the twenties was a [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► delivery boy for bartels he would people [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► would order stuff from the pharmacy my [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► dad would go in his knickers and his [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► lace-up boots that he needed a little [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► hook to lace up my goodness he would [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► ride his bike to the bartells they put [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► the stuff in a basket in the front of [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► his bike and he would run this way he [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► was the he was the delivery boy for the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► chinatown Jeff japantown neighborhood so [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► he would race around and take little [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► bags of predicaments in 28 he said he [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► would go into these chinese tall's which [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► are like secret societies and there'd be [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► all these people in smoke-filled room [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► playing mahjong then he would walk [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► through with his little with his little [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► newsboy cap and his knickers and he [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► would go and knock on a door in the back [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► and they would open it there'd be all [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► these guys in a really smoke filled room [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► and he would hand handle paper bag to [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► one of them filled with who knows what [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► and he would give my dad a couple of [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► coins and he'd go ride his bike back to [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► the bar tells my dad would tell these [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► stories endlessly and it's why it's why [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► does it happen that like your canonical [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► drugstore now so bartels is like all [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► over Seattle and you can go to a rite [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► aid or what's the other one yes or [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► longer and walgreens right the walgreens [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► where they come into a neighborhood and [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► they plop down there [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► quote unquote signature architecture [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► with their little hammer or pestle and [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► mortar and pestle and mortar pestle it's [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► a hammer and pestle that that was the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► Soviet flag with the hammer and pestle [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► yeah so bartels is our homegrown store [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► here and and you know my dad has a [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► connection to it so that that makes it [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► again i will i will advertise for free [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► for them and if they ever got to remove [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► their you gonna put your blessing on [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► that well but that's what I wonder I [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► wonder if let's say at some point in [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► your early twenties you got a giant [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► tattoo on your neck of the Virgin Mary [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► not because you were Catholic but [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► because a giant tattoo of the Virgin [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► Mary on your neck looked rad to you [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► because you like drive like jehu and [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► then at a certain point you're like I [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► work now a job i gotta trying to get you [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► know I'm trying to date online i'm not [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► sure if this is repping what I'm repping [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► anymore but then again i think if you [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► get a virgin mary on your neck you don't [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► you're you keep prepping it [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► yeah I think it's definitely become a [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► lot more okay um which is good [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► I've seen I have seen a lot of that lot [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► of there's a cop in our neighborhood [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► who's got all porch on ya see I think [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► there might be there are certainly right [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► now some Germans and Scandinavians [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► listening this program who are already [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► compiling a list of homeopathic drugs [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► that I should have been taking the whole [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► time I thought the Germans didn't like [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► no wait Germans like st. John's water [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► they hate st. John's wort always forget [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► my experience of Germans is that they [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► believe in herbs and they don't like [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► Scientology they do not like Scientology [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► but they don't think Jeremy come down [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► pretty hard on the Scientologists oh [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah i think they made it illegal [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► because they are because they have a [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► favor about cults but they believe in [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► herbs because they are still Animists [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► there we discuss relationship just [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► certain ideas is a little bit like your [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► relationship to certain kinds of [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► substances who consider all right go on [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► well example you know she saying [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't put too fine a point [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► on it it's a certain kinds of ideas that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► they would just as soon we set aside [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► because you know there's a reason we we [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► don't keep you know a bottle of whiskey [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► by the refrigerator [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► oh because you would have a sip every [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► time you went to the refrigerator [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm pretty soon the whole [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► houses whiskey bottles so if you get [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► something that's a little bit like a [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► culture you get an idea that's a little [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► bit too sticky about a certain kind of [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► authoritarianism [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► I'm saying now you're making some [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► connections yeah actually there was a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► really good episode of a ninety-percent [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► visible about this about the what's a [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► call this idea in Germany that there's [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► is called thanks for the gift shrunk [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► even with this idea of shrunk is about [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► is about drunken gifts because they do [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► have those also give strong and so this [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► is the idea that there are certain kinds [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► of books in particular that have ideas [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that are so dangerous that we have to [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► maintain a copy of these like sort of [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► like a virus that you want to keep [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► around for experimentation but you have [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to keep it away from the public and this [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► is an idea that has continued to endure [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► to this day cooling and not spoil the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► ending but you know my conf is is a out [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► of copyright now so you can just put all [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► kinds of places this idea that goes back [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► i think like centuries that what is [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► starting 15 eighties the idea that the [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► church basically had these certain books [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► that they kept a single copy of but like [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► you weren't allowed to see right very [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► German idea right now or like as chief [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► Wiggum says Ralphie why are you so [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► interested in DC and daddies forbidden [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► closet of mystery who you know saying [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► well this was the picture p with the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► Anarchist Cookbook right every time i [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► would buy a copy of the Anarchist [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► Cookbook my mom would find it on the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► shelves and she would take it and [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► destroy it because it was about [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► explosives because yeah I was about [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► setting Tiger traps and you know [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► refighting the Vietnam War and I was [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► more interested in like to just the [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► clandestine spy craft stuff i don't care [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► about the how to make bombs I just [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► thought was cool for all the like it was [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► that what's that for fantagraphics [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► what's the name of that publishing house [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► to put out all those books [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► yeah well oh those books I don't know [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► fantagraphics put out a lot of Dominic's [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► oh no you talk about I research survival [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► research laboratories but they're so you [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► get that little fuck catalog [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► yeah the ones that were all about [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► vivisection and and general sideshow [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► circus and oh there's that research but [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► yet anyhow I service doesn't work anyway [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► but there's all kinds of stuff in about [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► like you know how to hide stuff and all [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► that kind of spy stuff that you know [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► that you would love is a little kid [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► that's what i want to copy i loved [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► learning how to make bombs and the in [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► Turkish cookbook inspired me to start [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► making pipe [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► arms and I went through a phase where I [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► made a lot of pipe bombs and blue stuff [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► up with them until I realized that the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► next thing I blew up was going to be me [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► and you'll see you disappointed your [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► teacher of memory serves [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► yeah and I got in big trouble I got a [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► big trouble but uh I feel like I feel [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► like that impulse to have a safe room [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that has all the forbidden books is I i [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► disagree with that entirely I feel like [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that is a bad that's a bad principles [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► that's more like a form of fetishism [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► yeah right and I mean it's just a [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► ultimately like this is for the dirty [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► dirty ideas that i want anyone to know [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► about well sure and what inspires is [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► like uh then the protocols of the Elders [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► of Zion sleaks supposedly and all of the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► people that want to believe that stuff [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► have reason to believe that there's a [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► secret room with all the secret books [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and so this one snuck out in it and the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► idea that there's a place where books [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► like this exists which is a public [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► knowledge validates the idea that there [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► are that this secret book it must be [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► true even though it's it's it's also i [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► mean it's not it's not also not [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► dissimilar from the reason why a lot of [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► us don't want Apple to weaken the [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► encryption on their phones people [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► don't understand like what's at stake [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► here with this right and so you know [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► it's like we talked about before like [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► you know do you want to have let's say [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► you go out and you buy the most secure [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► safe that's available and you put in [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► your house and you have an entire room [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► it's so important an entire room in your [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► house and the door says safe on it [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► uh-huh and you open up and there's the [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► safe yeah well you know and no matter [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► how secure that safe is now like [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► everybody knows where the safe is [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► yeah and all you do is tear the walls [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► down to get in yeah you kind of tell ya [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► you gotta tear down this wall down this [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► wall that's right and then the walls [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► came down forbidden things dangerous [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► things all these things like week we [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► imbue them with power we put them in the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► gift strongly that's exactly and that's [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► why no gift wrong you'll get shocked you [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► put that stuff out there and let [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► everybody has hassle it out with each [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► other because yeah right about kids and [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► drinking [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► what do you stand on the whole like nah [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► no no well you know what I'm saying like [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► I i got thought on this one what your [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► thought is because I could be very [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► interesting point of view there's a lot [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► of people who say hey look you know in [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► Italy kids have a little wine with [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► dinner most kids don't like the taste of [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► alcohol but now they've tasted alcohol [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► in the house and it's not it's not it's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► not in the gift strong where there have [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► to go drive out and find it [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► yeah just the idea of the whole idea of [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► like I think taking the magic out of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► this forbidden thing he'd ever thought [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► on that I support it [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► uh I support that although you know [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► there's a lot of smugness in Europe [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► about drinking because they all say oh [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► you mean we give our kids drinks and we [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► don't have this alcoholism probably hung [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► up like the American that's right or the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► British to our are notorious alcoholics [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and they even though the sort of [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► continental Europeans are all smug about [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► it but the thing about Cardinal [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► Europeans in my experience is that yes [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► they do practice moderation but wherever [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► their line of what it is moderate intake [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► of things is pretty high right so in [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► Europe there are a lot of people who are [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► just drunk all the time and they don't [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► go they don't fantasize it to the point [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► where they are you know alcoholics like [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► you see in shakes the clown [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► but they are picture the picture that's [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► often drawn of the role of vodka [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► yeah right for Soviet Union yeah that's [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► right that's right where people are just [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► drinking themselves to death [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► sounds pretty bad but in france and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► italy and germany people are just [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► fucking drunk all the time they're just [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► they keep a lid on it and they managed [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► to go to work on Monday night the kind [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► of maintenance drinking we're just [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► having a little bit all day now they're [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► just how they drink with a drink with [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► lunch they drink with dinner they drink [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► with late breakfast they drink with they [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► just drink all the time [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► yeah and so that you know so the [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► smugness is like yeah right okay you [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► guys are all live in life you know [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► you're really sucking the marrow out of [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► life but you are your you spend all your [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► time and in restaurants which are really [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► bars and you're just always a little bit [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► shitfaced so yeah I think that kids [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► should drink a little wine with dinner [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► but I also feel like alcohol is a human [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► is like this widely accepted waited [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► beach checked out most of the time [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► right right so two things on this topic [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► Skeeter died [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► oh no not Gary no Gary Roscoe Roscoe / [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► Skeeter oh no just last week shuffled [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► off this mortal coil can eat for are far [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► more listeners kill my people who [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► schemers so Skeeter and Gary live across [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► the street from me neither one of them [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► is the leaseholder Gary lives in his van [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► in the front yard Skeeter lives in the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► Gary still lives in the vanity area is [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► still in the Vale gary has jerry has [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► grandfather themselves you ever cast it [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► would be this long [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► no I goodness and I used all of my [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► psionic power to dismember Gary while he [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► slept but gary has gary has a matured [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► into kind of a lively [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► character droke in the neighborhood [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► he's never you know oh yeah kara I was [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► I'm Gary's best friend he remembers me [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► having that you know so not only does he [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► remember me but now I have to avoid Gary [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► because he's going to strike up a long [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► conversation with me about and this part [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► of the conversation is about jesus which [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► I'm just like Kari look of all the [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► things that you shouldn't be [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► representing to me right now is the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► power of Jesus old living in your van [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► and street drunk guy but Skeeter lived [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► in the house [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► Skeeter was gonna marry the matron of [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► the house the lady who who owns the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that's right and the reason she wasn't [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► correct me if I'm wrong but over time [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► she's been very generous about making [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► this a place that's almost like an [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► ad-hoc halfway house right people could [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► come and kind of like get their legs [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► under there she has a generous spirit [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► she is always trying to rescue people [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► she's a rescue her and so she rescued [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► these two ding-a-lings some for some [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► reason I have no idea why they may I [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► think that she knew Skeeter for a long [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► time and and gary is native to the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► neighborhood this is the thing that I [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► found out about their long ago [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► Gary grew up in that neighborhood I'd [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► Gary might have been living in that [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► front yard [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► no I remember when he moved in but Gary [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► you know as a teenager might have been [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► sleeping in that front yard [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► well anyways the reason I called Roscoe [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► Skeeter was of course because he had a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► neck tattoo of a giant mosquitoes [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► sucking blood out of his neck which was [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► just like oh like a truffle oil [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► no look it was sucking it out like a [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► shitty like a shitty tattoo he got in [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► Kodiak ok of a mosquito as big as your [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► hand [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► this is a sucking blood out of his neck [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► which was just like the first time I met [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► him I was like let me guess you uh [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► worked in Alaska he was like how'd you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► know man I was like there's only one [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► reason you would have a tattoo of a [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► mosquito on your neck unless you're from [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► Siberia and you don't seem Canadian you [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► you worked in Alaskans like i did 25 [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► years of advertisement every anyway so [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► here I and he used to mean [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► Skeeter was a [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► and the fact that his was quote-unquote [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► real name was Roscoe there's no way his [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► name was Roscoe his fucking name is [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► probably Brian but nobody knew it's [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► because he'd been going by roscoe sense [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► both sense back in a time when calling [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► yourself Roscoe seemed cool right can [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► you remember the remember the party in [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► 1982 we're like I'm Roscoe everybody [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► said that's great and then it just stuck [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► but Skeeter worked much better for me so [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► much so that I started calling Skeeter [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► to his face but he you know he didn't [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► know what the fuck was up or down and so [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► he died of liver failure on now which I [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► had been i had watched the decline [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► across the street until you know he was [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► just experiencing all that i don't know [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► if you've ever watched somebody with [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► liver failure [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► it's not pretty no you get bloated and [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► you get a John to see and and all that [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► was happening and a couple of times i'm [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► talking to him in the street knows i [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► came in you know you're past the point [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► now like you got to get some help for [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► you it's it's a like you're it's not [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► it's not a joke anymore obviously you [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► know that he was like yeah well I'm [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► trying to listen that but he wasn't and [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► so I don't think he was about 55 or [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► that's all 50 signs as he looked like he [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► was a thousand years old but so so [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► skeeters gone making Gary top dog like [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► Gary now I the yesterday the the boy [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► prince has ascended yeah right good [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► skier always kept kept Gary down but at [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► last is two days ago I I look out my [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► window [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► Gary's laughs and he's walking up and [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► down the street I don't think [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► celebrating but I just feel like he [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► finally felt released because he Gary [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► would tell me in the middle of the night [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► I'd run into him in the street and he'd [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► be like you know Roscoe threaten me with [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► a knife like you know my name is Paul [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► and this is between y'all [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► he's like no no he like some you know [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► some like fish knife was like seriously [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► I don't want to hear it [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► I don't want to hear you guys are all [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► bananas so so that's one that's one [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► element that's what happened is a power [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► vacuum well so I don't know what's I [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► don't know what's gonna happen whether [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► you might try to move in [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► I don't think she won't have it right [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► she won't have him in the house but you [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► know he has graduated to like trusted [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► handyman um where he's you know I don't [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► know if he's ever been up on the roof [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► cleaning out the gutters but he's doing [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► little little inconsequential chores [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► taking out the garbage that type of [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► thing but what you know what I worry [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► about is that she that she saved some [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► other guy that we go back we go back to [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► yung skeeter we reset and there's you [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► know some next guy i don't i don't know [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► I I root for her I think she's a lovely [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► person right and I know that he been [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► very concerned about her her actual like [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► you know Joe kidding and stuff aside the [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► concerned about her welfare where you [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► know she wasn't on the scene very much [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► people seem to be coming in and out of [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► the house align there was a bad time [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► there there was a bad time with before [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► before Rosco lost his agency where he [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► was just it seemed to me like he was [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► stripping the place right [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► anyway that's one that's one side of [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► this conversation that I thought though [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► that their longtime listeners who wonder [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► about the saga I would want to know I'm [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► sorry to hear that [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► yeah well you know he uh he was colorful [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► guy and any he burned brightly uh-huh he [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► went on gently into this goodnight the [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► other the other side this conversation [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► that may interest you is that when i was [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► very sick and getting an IV the other [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► night the doctor who was convicted and [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► gave me a look that communicated to me [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► that she might be aware of Russia who [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► her patient was because at this point is [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► the thing with you and I gotta think [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► about is there's lots of people in [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► positions of power who are a lot younger [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► than [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► this who is people running for president [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► or younger than me [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► should I know I know that I don't know [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► that's a new one for me none of them [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► qualified but but this doctor was our [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► age exactly and she was she didn't get [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► it she didn't she almost gave me a look [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► like she was a fan not know she was a [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► doctor right so she's keeping her she [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► was giving me a little bit of the the [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► head nod you know professor Roderick [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► kind of thing at one point when I had my [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► IV about halfway through the bag i was [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► like oh I've got to go to the party [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► because this bag is filled me up with [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► water and so in my little gown I grab [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► ahold of my little because there's no [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► you know it's off its a hospital so [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► there's nobody around right there nobody [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► actually monitoring it to the emergency [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► room going to the emergency room because [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► it was late at night [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► yeah and sells drive yourself yeah of [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► course [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► Shang me which everybody was like what [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► are you doing and I was like did I [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► return the story about the time I got [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► hit with a hatchet and they were like no [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► this is the first time we've ever met [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► I was like it's a great story remind me [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► to tie some time to myself to the [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► hospital then with blood running down my [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► face [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► oh my god anyway so I'm walking down the [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► hall with my gown and my IV bag attached [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► to me and I'm pushing this little IV [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► stand and admitted to the bathroom and [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► she is coming the other way looking at a [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► chart as doctors do and up until that [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► point she had maintained a very [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► professional demeanor with me but she [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► passed me in the hall she looked up saw [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► me and there was a momentary a momentary [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► candor that went across her face and her [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► guard was Dale [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► guard was Dale [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and she gave me like this and I wouldn't [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► know what to describe it to you as other [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► than a look I've seen many times which [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► was like a little bit of a titter almost [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► a titter I was like oh interesting i'm [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► not sure whether she voted for me or not [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► hope that she hope every doctor in the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► town did alright because of politics [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► politics politics everything music I [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► forgot about the politics but she's [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► she's my age right so she could have [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► been she was 29 she could have been a [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► fan of one of my bands but it anyway at [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► the end of the thing she's like at that [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► point in time I was coughing in such a [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► way where it looked like I was gonna die [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► like I had to bend over [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► hold my lungs with my arms and I was I [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► was just copying like like the like the [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► alien in the first alien movie just you [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► know like my second set of teeth came [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► out and is coughing up stuff and it was [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► now it was a racking cough extremely [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► painful and so the doctor very sort of [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► lively prescribes me codeine cough syrup [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► and there was a moment where my [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► reflexive reply which i have been using [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► for 20 years the reflexive reply being [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► oh I'm sorry I'm in recovery and so I [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► don't do codeine cough syrup and I've [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► said that 50 times to various doctors [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► and they always go oh totally understood [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► and they prescribe me [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► imodium or what are you know like yeah [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► they give you something narcotic yeah [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► but in this case I'm sitting there in [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► tremendous pain and i have gone to the [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► emergency room for a thing that turns [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► out to be a virus right and i went to [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► the emergency room in part because I had [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► a fever for days and i mistakenly [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► said so on the internet which I hardly [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► ever do i complained about a symptom on [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► the internet and I got 45 replies on [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► Twitter and 400 replies on facebook all [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► telling me that I needed to eat raw [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► garlic but there were this one [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► surprising trick [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► yeah but there were several several [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► people who are like I am a medical [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► doctor and if you have fever for days [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► you need to go to a doctor immediately [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► and so all of a sudden what I knew to be [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► true which was that if I just cowered [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► under these blankets for two more days i [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► would start getting better turned into [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► this bug in my mind which was no shit [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► you've got pneumonia and you're gonna [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► die or or it or rather it is normal to [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► go to the doctor under these [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► circumstances and so I'm gonna go do it [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► and so I called the doctor and they were [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► like well the doctors office doesn't [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► have any appointments available until [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► march of 2017 [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► yeah no big you know big it's not like [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► anything out like a health issue or [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► something [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► yeah so you need to go to be a dick [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► about it you need to go to the emergency [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► clinic block in clinic which of course [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► is you know an emergency room by any [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► other definition there you go in there [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► and it's every kind of person all [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► miserable so she prescribes this coding [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► cup syrup and there's a part of me that [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► wants to feel like my illness is bad [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► enough that it that it justified this [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► trip because I don't want to walk out of [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► here saying well she gave me a pint a [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► saline solution and patted me on the [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► head and told me I had a cold so she [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► gives me this coating cough syrup she [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► prescribes us to be and I'm like well [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► yes the seriousness of that medicine [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► validates howl in pain and how late lo I [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► am and so rather than tell her no I just [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► SAT there quietly like everybody I mean [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► I think probably half the population [TS]