Roderick on the Line

Ep. 189: "Technicolor Irony Coat"


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00:00:25   [Music] [TS]

00:00:31   to start popping pop Baby Bop and Bop [TS]

00:00:37   ball popularity but why can't they see [TS]

00:00:42   they're just like me [TS]

00:00:44   it's just say it's the same in the whole [TS]

00:00:47   wide world [TS]

00:00:49   papi papi papi papi papi will be where [TS]

00:00:53   we ever got that all john william I you [TS]

00:00:57   been secretly goth right that's so [TS]

00:00:58   knowing no not at all [TS]

00:01:00   never not at all nothing you're always [TS]

00:01:03   been dipped into so many subcultures to [TS]

00:01:04   seem like you must have gotten into a [TS]

00:01:06   little bit of God's at some point hmm no [TS]

00:01:08   hmm no i am not at all gods have never [TS]

00:01:12   been gone but i have to say i left a i [TS]

00:01:17   left a recording session open on my [TS]

00:01:19   computer and when i logged onto this [TS]

00:01:23   program which is what i do i I had the [TS]

00:01:29   most amazing echo on my voice and I [TS]

00:01:32   would just went through the different [TS]

00:01:34   levels of my computer as you do [TS]

00:01:36   uh-huh and i found an open recording [TS]

00:01:39   track where there is some bass reduction [TS]

00:01:43   some chorus and some echo plus some [TS]

00:01:47   reverb and a little bit of EQ on my [TS]

00:01:49   voice today and it's got like neil [TS]

00:01:52   hamburger meat my blade Valentine it [TS]

00:01:54   sounded like sounds like I'm in a Greek [TS]

00:01:57   temple underwater in the future and so [TS]

00:02:03   when we started going bop Boop bop I was [TS]

00:02:06   fucking jamming on it I was really I [TS]

00:02:09   wish we were still doing it now mansion [TS]

00:02:11   you know if you want I could put some [TS]

00:02:12   chamber reverb on the whole track entire [TS]

00:02:14   show [TS]

00:02:15   I've had lots the whole nine if [TS]

00:02:17   everybody could hear what I'm hearing [TS]

00:02:19   right now [TS]

00:02:20   no I'm going to turn it off oh man it's [TS]

00:02:22   very distracting the CD confidence John [TS]

00:02:24   you can't hear [TS]

00:02:25   I know it's very distracting it's kind [TS]

00:02:28   of like when you used to get on a phone [TS]

00:02:29   call and there would be that that crazy [TS]

00:02:32   delay I like a little bit like a slap [TS]

00:02:34   back [TS]

00:02:35   it's just that means just a little too [TS]

00:02:37   much slapback and it's distracting did [TS]

00:02:40   you need a minute to take care of that [TS]

00:02:41   now i'm going to do that writing that [TS]

00:02:42   ministry song if you want i'm going to [TS]

00:02:44   save [TS]

00:02:44   save this file up Monica gone [TS]

00:02:47   hooray for me up but I know how to use [TS]

00:02:50   computers boy [TS]

00:02:52   no I was never gone because I'm [TS]

00:02:55   ridiculous [TS]

00:02:57   I don't know a lot of people were gone [TS]

00:03:00   there right there are certain things [TS]

00:03:01   that I feel like it are generational [TS]

00:03:05   things that are just that I'm just like [TS]

00:03:07   two years too old for a brother you know [TS]

00:03:13   like send me the story of my life [TS]

00:03:14   brother [TS]

00:03:15   yeah if you were if you graduated in the [TS]

00:03:17   class of 1988 that meant that in [TS]

00:03:21   nineteen eighty-four you were just young [TS]

00:03:23   enough to feel like God was a reasonable [TS]

00:03:26   choice you might you know get somewhat [TS]

00:03:29   cocteau twins you get some dead can [TS]

00:03:31   dance you get some what's the bauhaus [TS]

00:03:33   bauhaus sounds bauhaus was you know [TS]

00:03:36   there's a lot of those bands they got [TS]

00:03:38   lumped in that were actually pretty good [TS]

00:03:40   bauhaus very good love and rockets very [TS]

00:03:44   good love rocks there pop and they you [TS]

00:03:46   know they were gothy but they were they [TS]

00:03:48   were so popular like for a long time I [TS]

00:03:50   issued echo and the bunnymen because I [TS]

00:03:52   thought erroneously that they were a god [TS]

00:03:55   bandido the cure i was like listen to [TS]

00:03:56   music like that and then actually listen [TS]

00:03:58   to it was like this is amazing pop music [TS]

00:04:00   well so the Cure course being the being [TS]

00:04:04   the incredible example of a band that is [TS]

00:04:07   so extraordinary that they transcend all [TS]

00:04:12   genre but when i was first introduced to [TS]

00:04:14   the cure it was i was introduced to them [TS]

00:04:16   via their pop hits which I didn't like [TS]

00:04:20   the other there [TS]

00:04:21   I mean you know they have some some [TS]

00:04:23   really great pop songs now that we're [TS]

00:04:25   finally late eighties but the the stuff [TS]

00:04:27   I know what it is for me this is one [TS]

00:04:29   where thank God for greatest hits [TS]

00:04:30   I heard a little bit cure i think i had [TS]

00:04:33   head on the door and then I got the [TS]

00:04:35   standing on a beach [TS]

00:04:36   I got the cassette version goals they [TS]

00:04:38   were all different but yes but I mean [TS]

00:04:40   like each song was better than the last [TS]

00:04:41   they were in probably great pop songs [TS]

00:04:43   you haven't liked loved cats or whatever [TS]

00:04:45   haha stations are it's a great song but [TS]

00:04:47   I could take it or leave it right it was [TS]

00:04:48   kind of like the more of a hanging God [TS]

00:04:51   kind of guy [TS]

00:04:52   well what what happened to me was I got [TS]

00:04:54   someone dropped the entire aisle [TS]

00:04:56   disintegration on me and disintegration [TS]

00:05:00   happened already at a point where I was [TS]

00:05:03   like have a cure the guys get funny [TS]

00:05:05   harry wears eyeliner he's got these love [TS]

00:05:07   cats songs you know [TS]

00:05:08   yeah I'm well I'm still listening to [TS]

00:05:10   that first Iron Maiden record right and [TS]

00:05:13   I was a weird time [TS]

00:05:15   yeah and I don't need all this like [TS]

00:05:16   whole pop bleep but then a [TS]

00:05:20   disintegration landed on me and I feel [TS]

00:05:22   like that is an album physical it's one [TS]

00:05:24   of those Complete Works you do not take [TS]

00:05:27   a song off of that and listen to it [TS]

00:05:28   separately it is just you put it on and [TS]

00:05:31   you drive all night until you are so [TS]

00:05:34   hypnotise arrive later than I thought [TS]

00:05:37   that's 1989 that came and that's right [TS]

00:05:40   she's Louise that is a record that has [TS]

00:05:42   probably killed people right because [TS]

00:05:45   they are driven off the road in the [TS]

00:05:47   night they have gone down into a ravine [TS]

00:05:49   and as they fell into the ravine they [TS]

00:05:52   were not sorry because their death was [TS]

00:05:54   as dramatic as the music they were [TS]

00:05:56   listening don't think it hadn't gone [TS]

00:05:57   through my mind [TS]

00:05:58   sure I mean is the time music to like [TS]

00:06:00   when i arrived at somebody's house based [TS]

00:06:02   I figure out what song I wanted to be [TS]

00:06:04   playing when I pulled into someone's [TS]

00:06:05   driveway let alone how I want to die on [TS]

00:06:06   a road I hear a lot of people tell me [TS]

00:06:09   that eat that both the commander thinks [TS]

00:06:11   aloud and also our song our long winter [TS]

00:06:14   song blanket hog mls big guy gets big at [TS]

00:06:17   the end they put those songs on when [TS]

00:06:20   that when the captain says please fasten [TS]

00:06:22   your seatbelts were on final approach [TS]

00:06:23   they put those songs on their headphones [TS]

00:06:26   because they they want to ride that wave [TS]

00:06:28   if the plane is going down they want [TS]

00:06:30   that to be happening and they break the [TS]

00:06:32   glass on the special ipod to carry [TS]

00:06:34   around it just has those two songs on a [TS]

00:06:36   cute up though I totally relate to that [TS]

00:06:40   and the Cure's disintegration and my [TS]

00:06:43   bloody Valentine's Lovelace were always [TS]

00:06:44   the records that i put on when I was the [TS]

00:06:47   only one awake and i was driving the van [TS]

00:06:49   through the night [TS]

00:06:49   oh yeah both of them terrible records [TS]

00:06:52   for that because who you're exhausted at [TS]

00:06:55   that point everyone else is asleep no [TS]

00:06:56   one's there to keep you alive [TS]

00:06:58   well it's NBD man you might just start [TS]

00:07:00   hallucinating while the records you [TS]

00:07:02   absolutely do and so you can get a [TS]

00:07:04   sensory deprivation thing it's like what [TS]

00:07:06   is that noise where is that coming from [TS]

00:07:07   what is happening in your brain is gonna [TS]

00:07:09   try to fill in like [TS]

00:07:10   between in all these are all details to [TS]

00:07:12   help you understand what you want the [TS]

00:07:14   assault on your ears [TS]

00:07:15   that's right and so you're seeing the [TS]

00:07:16   the glowing the glowing eyeballs of [TS]

00:07:19   little deer that are waiting on the side [TS]

00:07:21   of the road to jump out re are you just [TS]

00:07:23   like I am with you [TS]

00:07:24   world i'm flying and you know swerve [TS]

00:07:26   driver I mean there were a lot of there [TS]

00:07:29   were a lot of bands that were in that [TS]

00:07:31   zone but i just picked those two records [TS]

00:07:35   for if i wanted something that had a lot [TS]

00:07:38   of sound [TS]

00:07:39   yeah you know the shootings bands were [TS]

00:07:41   weird for me because like goth stuff it [TS]

00:07:44   was something I felt very comfortable [TS]

00:07:45   writing off unfairly perhaps but none [TS]

00:07:48   right i would write off basically the [TS]

00:07:49   entire genre except for a handful of [TS]

00:07:52   utterly amazing bands i just as a genre [TS]

00:07:54   it seems like so such a nothing burger [TS]

00:07:56   but then you know MTV and maybe a ride [TS]

00:08:01   like there are a couple of those bands [TS]

00:08:02   like there's a lot going on this was the [TS]

00:08:05   problem with the stone roses for me i [TS]

00:08:07   had this conversation literally this [TS]

00:08:09   week [TS]

00:08:10   you're cuter scott simpson I had the [TS]

00:08:11   stones are you ready for this kind of [TS]

00:08:13   John interrupt you but continued quick [TS]

00:08:14   anecdote go go in there and long story [TS]

00:08:17   short the bartender at this place where [TS]

00:08:19   Scott an IRA he's wearing a unknown [TS]

00:08:21   pleasures shirt so of course I feel the [TS]

00:08:23   need to discuss with joy division with [TS]

00:08:25   him at length we end up talking about 24 [TS]

00:08:28   hour party people [TS]

00:08:29   one of the great films of our time right [TS]

00:08:30   and how like the first half of that [TS]

00:08:32   movie I i double triple love the second [TS]

00:08:34   half never got into happy mondays [TS]

00:08:36   it's not like i never got into the Happy [TS]

00:08:37   Mondays well makers wild roses [TS]

00:08:40   sorry to interrupt yeah and this is [TS]

00:08:41   going to infuriate our English friends [TS]

00:08:42   but happy mondays were garbage are [TS]

00:08:44   terrible band they're awfully not [TS]

00:08:46   nothing they did was good they have the [TS]

00:08:48   dancing guy and then there's always I [TS]

00:08:50   was as they say the rubbish it was [TS]

00:08:51   rubbish and then I you know I said scott [TS]

00:08:53   was like yeah I could never get into a [TS]

00:08:54   lot of that Scott's like yeah you know [TS]

00:08:56   even start like Stone Roses though they [TS]

00:08:58   had two songs I like they had she bangs [TS]

00:09:01   the drum and what's the one I don't have [TS]

00:09:03   to save my soul fool's gold [TS]

00:09:06   yeah the first song LOL in death by [TS]

00:09:07   three songs my hand of God we're having [TS]

00:09:10   this conversation and guess what comes [TS]

00:09:12   on stereo dundun dundun 22 xubuntu too [TS]

00:09:20   students who dude I don't huh [TS]

00:09:24   the cell so and I was like wait a minute [TS]

00:09:26   i'm literally loosening right-hander [TS]

00:09:28   this song in three years and it just [TS]

00:09:30   came on you guys manifest that what we [TS]

00:09:33   conjugate country like an orb that's [TS]

00:09:35   what my sister would say you manifested [TS]

00:09:37   it I should talk to her she probably [TS]

00:09:39   helped me a lot usually she's all about [TS]

00:09:41   manifesting very positive the stone [TS]

00:09:43   roses are are the other thing where [TS]

00:09:45   you're like to introduce the rule if [TS]

00:09:47   this song if this was like the smiths [TS]

00:09:50   for me Frank if this is negative is [TS]

00:09:54   indicative of the quality of their [TS]

00:09:56   catalogs and I have found my new [TS]

00:09:58   favorite band and then you dig in stop [TS]

00:10:00   there and and you're like some girl's [TS]

00:10:04   mother mother and you're like I made a [TS]

00:10:07   mistake i made a little more fun and [TS]

00:10:09   happy he's having that on the room [TS]

00:10:11   he's taking the Mickey I'm turning the [TS]

00:10:13   lights off Jesus Christ John i'll leave [TS]

00:10:16   the stereo on in case any excuse the [TS]

00:10:18   cats 10 they get lonely during the day [TS]

00:10:21   there is a light and it never goes out [TS]

00:10:24   there is a felony that only has to know [TS]

00:10:26   it's only got four nodes stone the stone [TS]

00:10:32   roses were one of these like oh my god [TS]

00:10:34   this song I mean I always felt that they [TS]

00:10:36   kind of reintroduce the idea of that to [TS]

00:10:39   get a packet to the package driver was [TS]

00:10:42   awesome dance beat and then there's like [TS]

00:10:44   this pop tune of the top I was like this [TS]

00:10:46   is transforming me and the nothing else [TS]

00:10:48   rose to the level of those first two but [TS]

00:10:50   I mean like okay so it's not like i said [TS]

00:10:52   to Scott just this previous wednesday [TS]

00:10:54   night I said you know for me [TS]

00:10:55   we look at the Manchester scene and all [TS]

00:10:57   the like that the dancing stuff that [TS]

00:10:59   happened in the nineties and I honestly [TS]

00:11:01   thought happy mondays was some kind of a [TS]

00:11:04   trap Street because he's so people we [TS]

00:11:07   unlike a man i must be missing something [TS]

00:11:09   other gaslighting you the entire culture [TS]

00:11:11   there's nobody to actually like this [TS]

00:11:13   band who would put this record on [TS]

00:11:15   deliberately so I'm gonna I'm gonna go [TS]

00:11:17   with I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with [TS]

00:11:20   a couple songs from stores and i'm going [TS]

00:11:22   to say primal screen [TS]

00:11:24   normal screen was pretty great scheme [TS]

00:11:25   was great you're absolutely right but [TS]

00:11:27   but I mean all of that stuff I the [TS]

00:11:31   groove is in the heart do [TS]

00:11:33   doo-doo-doot-doot doot-doo live like to [TS]

00:11:37   do if your time I dance music or any [TS]

00:11:40   kind of like fun party music or take [TS]

00:11:42   ecstasy and dance on the beach in goa [TS]

00:11:44   music that says new order for me [TS]

00:11:47   uh well sure but like but like uh I'm [TS]

00:11:51   talking about post-1990 rightmost 1991 [TS]

00:11:56   that when that thing was happening with [TS]

00:11:58   all the glow sticks and shit [TS]

00:12:00   yeah they called the rave culture the [TS]

00:12:02   rave culture you know have a little have [TS]

00:12:04   a little funk have a little funk to it [TS]

00:12:06   sure but here's here's you want to you [TS]

00:12:09   want to just go out and hire bootsy [TS]

00:12:10   collins that'll help you want to talk [TS]

00:12:13   about a controversial opinion a boy I [TS]

00:12:16   make yourself sir go ahead controversial [TS]

00:12:19   opinions [TS]

00:12:20   hmm i feel this way and I'm embarrassed [TS]

00:12:22   I'm still ashamed about this feeling [TS]

00:12:25   like I'm not ashamed about feeling the [TS]

00:12:28   way I do about the cure [TS]

00:12:29   I'm sorry I'm sorry the Smiths oh [TS]

00:12:31   because Smith she's the way people feel [TS]

00:12:35   about the smiths I want them to stop [TS]

00:12:38   feeling that way it's not that I want [TS]

00:12:39   them to stop feeling that way about the [TS]

00:12:41   Smith I think this is because you and [TS]

00:12:42   Shaun have a lot of unresolved shit and [TS]

00:12:45   you take it out on the smiths this [TS]

00:12:47   happened to me that this was true of me [TS]

00:12:48   in 1984 I felt this way about the smiths [TS]

00:12:50   doesn't deserve it is a put-on meat is [TS]

00:12:53   murder because I because I loved the [TS]

00:12:55   cover [TS]

00:12:56   yeah a little-little over 800 right [TS]

00:12:58   loved the deal right the Smith look he's [TS]

00:13:01   at he he he's asexual and their album [TS]

00:13:04   covers are cool cool these beautiful but [TS]

00:13:07   a bit that even the logo you know that [TS]

00:13:09   the typeface yes I'll go everything [TS]

00:13:12   about it just seems timeless the guitar [TS]

00:13:14   players so amazing and i was like i'm [TS]

00:13:16   gonna do this I'm gonna get new wave i'm [TS]

00:13:18   going to go for it and I don't need to [TS]

00:13:20   just be listening to you know Marc Bolan [TS]

00:13:23   or whatever i'm ready from and I put it [TS]

00:13:26   on and it made me so angry I was so [TS]

00:13:31   angry that you would put all this tip [TS]

00:13:33   that I felt like the happy mondays like [TS]

00:13:35   what are you people talking about and [TS]

00:13:38   then Emma how can you even put them in [TS]

00:13:40   the same way I shouldn't be on the same [TS]

00:13:42   cotton and how come home and were there [TS]

00:13:43   not only from the moment they're from [TS]

00:13:45   like within 600 miles [TS]

00:13:47   each other no they are practicing the [TS]

00:13:49   same neighborhood and their brother off [TS]

00:13:51   the boat from Manchester I think Chester [TS]

00:13:52   well yeah right okay you know what I can [TS]

00:13:56   adjust your geography basically comes [TS]

00:13:57   down to like everything in 24 hour party [TS]

00:13:59   people that's what I know [TS]

00:14:00   yeah everything from leads to permanent [TS]

00:14:02   bobby was a salford lad but uh but I [TS]

00:14:07   hate you so mad and then and then all [TS]

00:14:09   the hero worship and all like falling [TS]

00:14:12   and the falling over and i was just like [TS]

00:14:13   there's no this is an emperor has no [TS]

00:14:15   clothes situation there's nothing here [TS]

00:14:17   just can't imagine you're talking about [TS]

00:14:18   having Monday's whenever you talk about [TS]

00:14:19   this message and so it continued into [TS]

00:14:22   adulthood [TS]

00:14:23   I thought this was one of those things [TS]

00:14:24   where everybody in the eighties was [TS]

00:14:26   having a collective delusion and then [TS]

00:14:28   there would be this moment of reckoning [TS]

00:14:30   where it was like like Timbuk 3 if you [TS]

00:14:32   were still really in book 3 i like that [TS]

00:14:35   song she did we thought there was an [TS]

00:14:37   afternoon in what 1988 where we all [TS]

00:14:39   liked it and then we moved on but that [TS]

00:14:42   isn't the case and colin Meloy and John [TS]

00:14:44   Nelson and you you guys have all just [TS]

00:14:46   bored the shit out of me talking about [TS]

00:14:48   the smiths there's I 33 and a third book [TS]

00:14:50   it just it feels like it you know what [TS]

00:14:52   is it feels like that 33 and a third [TS]

00:14:54   culture it's like blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:14:57   that's like people who are on Iran on an [TS]

00:14:59   ironic Lee into pro wrestling [TS]

00:15:01   yes thank you exactly and I said [TS]

00:15:03   something like I am I spent the fucking [TS]

00:15:05   shit about the smiths the other day and [TS]

00:15:07   you know our good friends from the new [TS]

00:15:11   pornographers [TS]

00:15:12   uh-huh oh god you guys get a room [TS]

00:15:14   publicly took me on and said I said [TS]

00:15:18   anyone that doesn't like the smiths is [TS]

00:15:20   uh is like a garbage person [TS]

00:15:22   yeah you know that David all of his [TS]

00:15:24   tweets in many years and and I said you [TS]

00:15:26   know what first of all garbage person is [TS]

00:15:27   not a thing we use anymore that's you [TS]

00:15:29   know that's really from a different time [TS]

00:15:31   well it is and it's very--it's normative [TS]

00:15:33   against garbage people and I just I feel [TS]

00:15:35   like first of all let's stop doing that [TS]

00:15:37   it's one of those words like gypsy or [TS]

00:15:38   mathlete you know we just gotta stop [TS]

00:15:39   saying it [TS]

00:15:40   that's right good no we're not you know [TS]

00:15:41   I'm looking out the window right now and [TS]

00:15:43   a BMW just pulled into the parking lot [TS]

00:15:45   and did that thing where he parked [TS]

00:15:46   completely across two parking spots like [TS]

00:15:51   like the line is running straight down [TS]

00:15:53   the middle of his car parked it and I [TS]

00:15:55   was like are you are you got to battle [TS]

00:15:56   traffic jams and Happy Mondays and then [TS]

00:15:58   turn just turn the car off turn the [TS]

00:16:00   lights off and just [TS]

00:16:00   fuck that guy i'm so mad right now but [TS]

00:16:04   but here's here's my controversial [TS]

00:16:06   opinion this is gonna make people very [TS]

00:16:08   mad [TS]

00:16:09   ok but except that nobody except nobody [TS]

00:16:11   and you know our audience is actually 24 [TS]

00:16:14   years old they have no idea what you [TS]

00:16:15   don't know these bands are but again [TS]

00:16:17   everything is streaming whatever people [TS]

00:16:18   give them the stream it yeah they stream [TS]

00:16:20   it just streaming well what's the matter [TS]

00:16:22   stream [TS]

00:16:23   yeah it's like Tom Petty right up [TS]

00:16:24   against some dollars a month to get [TS]

00:16:26   stream from Marilyn Monroe and then you [TS]

00:16:28   know and then it's like the commercial [TS]

00:16:30   fortuna it's like that directv Robert [TS]

00:16:34   everything that you see in certain bars [TS]

00:16:35   where it's like Bob Marley is sitting [TS]

00:16:37   with james dean around a pool table with [TS]

00:16:40   some cats and it's painted in velvet [TS]

00:16:42   they're all smoking cigars [TS]

00:16:44   that's what contemporary and I go for [TS]

00:16:46   three Ball corner pocket [TS]

00:16:48   no I feel that way about the second [TS]

00:16:50   delic first oh yeah [TS]

00:16:53   Psychedelic Furs have if they have five [TS]

00:16:56   outstanding there for outsiders a [TS]

00:16:59   world-beating songs i was going to say [TS]

00:17:00   for four songs that just make you that [TS]

00:17:03   make you fall to your knees and cry out [TS]

00:17:05   original original pretty in pink [TS]

00:17:07   you've got love my way you've got don't [TS]

00:17:11   know don't know you've got of the ghost [TS]

00:17:13   in you the greatest Austin you oh my god [TS]

00:17:15   you've heard Robyn Hitchcock cover that [TS]

00:17:16   I can't you know I've heard Robyn [TS]

00:17:20   Hitchcock cover 450 songs and that was [TS]

00:17:23   all in the first night I met him at all [TS]

00:17:25   so I'm not sure I can't say for sure [TS]

00:17:27   that I pray you're right you're right [TS]

00:17:29   there [TS]

00:17:30   their records me taken to another band [TS]

00:17:33   listen to on cassettes at the same time [TS]

00:17:35   the cars like the cars [TS]

00:17:37   I mean Jesus Christ for the first four [TS]

00:17:39   or so carves cars albums they had six [TS]

00:17:42   really good songs on her rocker / record [TS]

00:17:45   i mean the first record is an anomaly [TS]

00:17:46   the first record is like I would even [TS]

00:17:49   put that it's just one of those complete [TS]

00:17:51   works it's like rumors [TS]

00:17:52   yeah yeah I know every someone here and [TS]

00:17:54   they're all good and I don't skip them [TS]

00:17:55   well and so the but the psychedelic furs [TS]

00:17:58   are like are like a like a music critic [TS]

00:18:02   favorite [TS]

00:18:03   yeah but they have the I mean they're [TS]

00:18:06   just one song better than a flock of [TS]

00:18:10   seagulls [TS]

00:18:12   right like flock of seagulls have two [TS]

00:18:15   incredible tune Iran in space age love [TS]

00:18:18   song [TS]

00:18:18   no not space lobster ok that's the third [TS]

00:18:21   I was falling in love it's about that's [TS]

00:18:24   the third if I had a photograph of you [TS]

00:18:26   something to remind me [TS]

00:18:27   yes that's a good song amazing tune so [TS]

00:18:30   so we we mock flock of seagulls what [TS]

00:18:34   they have they have two and a half left [TS]

00:18:35   for school never saw lodge [TS]

00:18:37   let's go digits that true opening for [TS]

00:18:39   the go-go's my fucking god [TS]

00:18:41   yeah 1982 or answer he is you saw them [TS]

00:18:44   live let alone that was the first you [TS]

00:18:46   know it's the first band is all I was [TS]

00:18:48   fucking Dokken I said was a the go-go's [TS]

00:18:51   on their vacation to her vacation i'll [TS]

00:18:53   ever wanted chainwheel is our life stop [TS]

00:18:56   it stop it you're telling me Jane [TS]

00:18:57   Wiedlin she's just up there playing [TS]

00:18:59   guitar with a normal thing I know I know [TS]

00:19:01   what your babydoll dress and a Chance of [TS]

00:19:03   some kind of frilly panties sexy I think [TS]

00:19:04   she had like a little flouncy skirt and [TS]

00:19:07   she would hop when she played you're [TS]

00:19:09   destroying me and you none of these [TS]

00:19:10   people came to Alaska they didn't even [TS]

00:19:11   know Alaska was an american states but [TS]

00:19:14   so yeah so I mean I was listening to [TS]

00:19:17   some flock of seagulls the other day [TS]

00:19:19   because I think they are good but the I [TS]

00:19:21   think the ultimate example of this is in [TS]

00:19:23   excess over the course of their career [TS]

00:19:25   they had no fewer than ten great songs [TS]

00:19:30   they had a lot of really good song but [TS]

00:19:32   it's not the ones that people remember [TS]

00:19:33   what you need is not a great song [TS]

00:19:35   now wait a minute no bow out [TS]

00:19:40   no no that's what I'm gonna go on with [TS]

00:19:43   that dream on backpage my girl what's [TS]

00:19:45   that song called remember that song yeah [TS]

00:19:47   it's called the webwork but like girl [TS]

00:19:50   space specialist a love song and they [TS]

00:19:53   also got that one this time we'll be [TS]

00:19:55   landing the big hits off of those first [TS]

00:19:58   records we just don't remember them that [TS]

00:19:59   we don't remember those first records [TS]

00:20:01   what about the one thing like the one [TS]

00:20:02   thing I like out solutions ah here's the [TS]

00:20:06   point of I remember this here's the [TS]

00:20:08   thing i like every INXS single until [TS]

00:20:11   kick and then it kick they did a little [TS]

00:20:14   bit of the UH they did a little bit of [TS]

00:20:17   the def leppard adrenal eyes they think [TS]

00:20:20   they're like an AI that became just [TS]

00:20:21   slightly self-aware it to too self-aware [TS]

00:20:23   right that like kicks [TS]

00:20:25   kick was their biggest record by a [TS]

00:20:26   thousand points just like Def Leppard's [TS]

00:20:29   adrenal eyes just like Van Halen's 94 [TS]

00:20:33   and it was when they jump the shark boy [TS]

00:20:36   you know it'sit's I'm so reluctant to [TS]

00:20:38   put it in terms that dumb and simple and [TS]

00:20:41   unfair but it's true it's true those are [TS]

00:20:43   junk that's a jump the shark fucking [TS]

00:20:45   album its next maybe 40 what well and [TS]

00:20:48   legendary for was good but you know what [TS]

00:20:50   was the one after that was Sammy Hagar [TS]

00:20:51   that's the 150 150 but that just made me [TS]

00:20:54   fucking angry was fucking garbage and [TS]

00:20:56   and wall out bounced out and we got what [TS]

00:20:59   it takes and tell me why i have it [TS]

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00:23:14   analyze I wouldn't I wouldn't suck on a [TS]

00:23:16   hot dog for all the tea in China you [TS]

00:23:18   don't want that i want to eat that and [TS]

00:23:20   and forget that it's that sir is [TS]

00:23:22   everything alright with your meal [TS]

00:23:24   you don't suck on hot water but i know i [TS]

00:23:28   was inside the tastemakers i'm sure i [TS]

00:23:29   was playing Dig Dug uh-huh and chris [TS]

00:23:32   gill showed up now Chris kills lived a [TS]

00:23:35   couple doors down from me Chris skills [TS]

00:23:37   was not a it wasn't the tallest kid but [TS]

00:23:40   crystals was a good skier who's better [TS]

00:23:42   skier than I was and he was very cool he [TS]

00:23:46   was much much cooler than me and my best [TS]

00:23:50   friend Kevin Horning went through a [TS]

00:23:53   phase early on in high school where [TS]

00:23:55   Kevin wanted to hang out with Chris [TS]

00:23:57   kills crystals was too cool to hang out [TS]

00:24:02   with me [TS]

00:24:03   so what that meant was that Kevin was [TS]

00:24:05   hanging out with chris and not with me [TS]

00:24:07   right i did not get all I did not get [TS]

00:24:09   invited along to the crystals party [TS]

00:24:10   dance gotta reach chris was like always [TS]

00:24:15   kind of he found me a little [TS]

00:24:18   contemptible but he was you know he was [TS]

00:24:22   friendly enough but it was one of those [TS]

00:24:25   scenes where I would you know we'd be [TS]

00:24:28   sitting around and i would say something [TS]

00:24:30   funny and everybody like haha yeah [TS]

00:24:31   Roderick funny and then I would take it [TS]

00:24:34   too far and I'd say the next thing and [TS]

00:24:37   crystals was the one that was like a ya [TS]

00:24:40   NE that I know that phenomenon to its [TS]

00:24:42   it's like you just got like a be ob- [TS]

00:24:45   laughs and then you completely undid all [TS]

00:24:49   of your work with the one joke too much [TS]

00:24:52   too much and then everybody minute f- [TS]

00:24:54   they all turned their backs on you and [TS]

00:24:56   you know kevin was my best friend right [TS]

00:24:59   so he didn't turn his back on me he [TS]

00:25:01   wanted me to [TS]

00:25:02   he wanted me to make it he wanted me to [TS]

00:25:05   make it over here on the other side [TS]

00:25:06   where the cool kids were but I just [TS]

00:25:08   couldn't do it [TS]

00:25:09   I couldn't put it together it's not that [TS]

00:25:11   I want didn't want to I just couldn't [TS]

00:25:13   put it together and Chris kills for me [TS]

00:25:15   everybody's got a guy that personifies [TS]

00:25:17   that Christie was the guy for me and [TS]

00:25:20   even now I mean chris has lost all his [TS]

00:25:22   hair but he lives in the Bahamas on a [TS]

00:25:27   sailboat or something like chris is [TS]

00:25:29   still he's I don't know how he pulls it [TS]

00:25:31   off you look at his facebook page and [TS]

00:25:33   there's a picture of him in the [TS]

00:25:34   Himalayas but he's not riding a camel [TS]

00:25:36   he's not being a dummy [TS]

00:25:38   he's just there because he's got some [TS]

00:25:40   business to do there and then he's going [TS]

00:25:42   back he's living on his sailboat [TS]

00:25:43   somewhere in the Bahamas he drives a [TS]

00:25:44   powder-blue like 72 oldsmobile like what [TS]

00:25:49   is going on with this guy [TS]

00:25:51   this isn't what you would expect but [TS]

00:25:52   anyway so I'm playing dig dug at the [TS]

00:25:54   Tastee freeze Chris gills for some [TS]

00:25:59   reason offers me a ride and crystals dad [TS]

00:26:04   was the first guy to get one of those a [TS]

00:26:06   ford thunderbirds that looks like a [TS]

00:26:08   lozenge [TS]

00:26:09   yeah and I ibuprofen and Chris kills his [TS]

00:26:13   dad was a doctor he was the kind he had [TS]

00:26:15   a nakamichi stereo us we're not going to [TS]

00:26:18   stereo where it popped the tape out and [TS]

00:26:20   flipped it around who mechanically and [TS]

00:26:22   then popped it back in so that you [TS]

00:26:24   didn't get the the slight distortion of [TS]

00:26:28   a tape being played backwards yeah so [TS]

00:26:33   true audiophiles look for a cassette [TS]

00:26:35   deck that can do something like that can [TS]

00:26:36   pop it out right sure but think about [TS]

00:26:38   the think about the magazine [TS]

00:26:39   advertisement for the nakamichi tape [TS]

00:26:41   deck that popped it out and flipped it [TS]

00:26:43   over [TS]

00:26:44   it's hilarious at the time it seemed [TS]

00:26:46   impossibly modern and now it feels like [TS]

00:26:48   something from the flintstones I mean [TS]

00:26:49   it's ok it's a living i remember [TS]

00:26:52   watching remember it wasn't something [TS]

00:26:54   that I that you watched it was something [TS]

00:26:56   that you read in magazines if you saw [TS]

00:26:57   that nakamichi tape deck add you knew [TS]

00:27:00   you were reading the right man [TS]

00:27:02   you seen yes they would only advertising [TS]

00:27:04   the cool magazine so Chris Chris Chris [TS]

00:27:07   Cole's dad he was supposed to buy a BMW [TS]

00:27:10   740i but instead he bought this for this [TS]

00:27:15   Lawson judged lozenge-shaped forward and [TS]

00:27:18   that was a symbol to me at least of how [TS]

00:27:20   cool that Thunderbird was crystals dad [TS]

00:27:23   will you drop those things are so dated [TS]

00:27:25   now [TS]

00:27:25   oh yeah I know but at the time i was [TS]

00:27:27   very modern very forward so Christians [TS]

00:27:30   picks me up like says hey you need a [TS]

00:27:33   ride and I'm like crystals is offering [TS]

00:27:35   me a ride what's going on is this some [TS]

00:27:37   kind of thing where he's going to take [TS]

00:27:38   me out and like pants me somewhere and [TS]

00:27:42   we're riding and we're just being cool [TS]

00:27:44   we're just chillin with each other and [TS]

00:27:47   I'm I'm nervous right because because [TS]

00:27:50   i'm going to say was something funny and [TS]

00:27:51   he's gonna be like here at Roderick yeah [TS]

00:27:53   and then I'm gonna take it too far i'm [TS]

00:27:57   gonna say something funny and he's gonna [TS]

00:28:00   think to himself it was a mistake to [TS]

00:28:02   give John Rocker ride but this is this [TS]

00:28:05   moment maybe I'm maybe this is the [TS]

00:28:06   beginning of something right you got it [TS]

00:28:08   but you're but you're you you're in that [TS]

00:28:10   mode right you're in that mode [TS]

00:28:12   yeah and then we're driving along and [TS]

00:28:15   chris says did you hear van Halen pick [TS]

00:28:17   the new singer I was like what [TS]

00:28:19   no really they're gonna keep going and [TS]

00:28:22   he was like yeah they've been looking [TS]

00:28:23   for a new singer they just pick somebody [TS]

00:28:24   and I was like who and he said Sammy [TS]

00:28:29   Hagar and I knew I mean that appalled me [TS]

00:28:33   right because yeah Sammy Hagar had a [TS]

00:28:37   really good song on the heavy metal [TS]

00:28:38   soundtrack same behavior has had at [TS]

00:28:41   least four extremely good songs but even [TS]

00:28:43   by that point even the album that of his [TS]

00:28:45   that I liked know the other is a [TS]

00:28:48   lightbox well throughout box is great [TS]

00:28:51   but I think I can't drive 55 is that the [TS]

00:28:53   one that had your love is driving me [TS]

00:28:55   crazy [TS]

00:28:56   that's a pretty powerful pop songs [TS]

00:28:58   anyway by even by that point he was he [TS]

00:29:00   was just he was excruciating to just [TS]

00:29:02   even be aware of the red rocker you know [TS]

00:29:05   what's going on around two shows that [TS]

00:29:06   little wireless Mike climbing things [TS]

00:29:07   no thank you right and he was like a [TS]

00:29:10   capuchin monkey in a wig [TS]

00:29:11   except that it's a one-way ticket to [TS]

00:29:13   midnight call it heavy metal hitting [TS]

00:29:16   metal whoo that was a kick-ass lawyer I [TS]

00:29:18   mean that was like that was a song that [TS]

00:29:20   that early billy squier cut it on sure [TS]

00:29:23   but anyway Chris kill says Sammy Hagar's [TS]

00:29:27   the new singer for van Halen that's the [TS]

00:29:30   news he never want to hear and but it's [TS]

00:29:32   like finding out your your your mom [TS]

00:29:33   married your guidance counselor in the [TS]

00:29:35   context of this car ride it was [TS]

00:29:37   fantastic news because I now had [TS]

00:29:41   something that I hated just naturally [TS]

00:29:45   hated so much and chris and i could tell [TS]

00:29:49   the crew skills naturally hated it and [TS]

00:29:52   it was like we were brothers now we had [TS]

00:29:54   something to hate together that was so [TS]

00:29:56   hateful sammy hagar in van Halen that [TS]

00:30:02   the entire rest of the last 30 years and [TS]

00:30:04   still bothers me yeah the entire rest of [TS]

00:30:05   the right we're like haha [TS]

00:30:07   can you believe it oh my god and then he [TS]

00:30:09   dropped me off at my house and I was [TS]

00:30:11   like wow [TS]

00:30:11   see you later Chris it was like right on [TS]

00:30:13   see you later Roderick and then of [TS]

00:30:15   course I never saw him again right on he [TS]

00:30:17   never wrote in his car could you but you [TS]

00:30:19   you know that you you did what you [TS]

00:30:21   needed to do that day [TS]

00:30:22   that's right I got out of there i made [TS]

00:30:23   some jokes about sammy hagar van Halen I [TS]

00:30:25   think we do I don't think we came up [TS]

00:30:27   with van Hagar somebody else came up [TS]

00:30:30   with that [TS]

00:30:30   yeah but we we definitely had we had a [TS]

00:30:34   good time and I'll I'll always be [TS]

00:30:36   grateful to then Hagar for giving me [TS]

00:30:39   that that afternoon with Chris kills but [TS]

00:30:44   all uh don't go don't do it don't do it [TS]

00:30:49   don't write you cannot you don't go back [TS]

00:30:52   to the smiths I'm done I'm done [TS]

00:30:54   ian mcculloch who of echo and the [TS]

00:30:57   bunnymen won't you call em on down to LA [TS]

00:31:03   in the risk you in the early nineties [TS]

00:31:06   let's say early-to-mid [TS]

00:31:07   Andy's he did he went around [TS]

00:31:09   [Music] [TS]

00:31:13   he went around on a tour a solo tour or [TS]

00:31:16   something where he was playing really [TS]

00:31:18   small clubs you played the crocodile [TS]

00:31:20   cafe here like you know 300 capacity and [TS]

00:31:24   it had about 80 people in it and all 80 [TS]

00:31:28   people were girls he was he was gorgeous [TS]

00:31:31   he was very pretty and and I was at the [TS]

00:31:34   show and he had this he helped this is a [TS]

00:31:40   tea person audience completely captive [TS]

00:31:42   and after the show was one of those rare [TS]

00:31:46   things where every single one of the 80 [TS]

00:31:48   people stayed to shake his hand and i [TS]

00:31:53   watch the entire show just one [TS]

00:31:54   comprehending like why what is going on [TS]

00:31:59   here [TS]

00:31:59   I wasn't another unsolved mysteries he [TS]

00:32:01   playing solo he was playing solo but [TS]

00:32:03   with a band ok so he was just front guy [TS]

00:32:06   he did it's not like he had an [TS]

00:32:07   instrument he just was holding a [TS]

00:32:08   microphone and they played a lot of echo [TS]

00:32:10   and the bunnymen tunes and where and [TS]

00:32:13   everybody was because you know the one [TS]

00:32:15   got from Mexico moment died so they [TS]

00:32:17   could never really get back together [TS]

00:32:18   what the guitar player was the one did [TS]

00:32:22   all the heavy lifting right was it will [TS]

00:32:24   sergeant was the same [TS]

00:32:25   yeah but it was like the bass player of [TS]

00:32:27   the drummers and I guess yeah I was like [TS]

00:32:30   a way yeah that was mostly drum machines [TS]

00:32:32   but but their drummer died right and so [TS]

00:32:35   it's a spinal tap situation i'm sure but [TS]

00:32:38   anyway it was this week it was this [TS]

00:32:40   weird event like you know when John Doe [TS]

00:32:43   goes around on his own and John Doe is a [TS]

00:32:46   beautiful man and John toe puts on an [TS]

00:32:47   unusual show very charismatic but he's [TS]

00:32:50   very charismatic and i understand it and [TS]

00:32:52   I understood in McCulloch because he was [TS]

00:32:54   beautiful and also very charismatic [TS]

00:32:56   funny guy not Robbie Williams funny but [TS]

00:33:00   funny but watching the show I was like [TS]

00:33:03   there's nothing for me to I can sink my [TS]

00:33:05   teeth into any of this music air and [TS]

00:33:07   echo and the bunnymen felt I mean I was [TS]

00:33:08   in love and rockets fan why wouldn't [TS]

00:33:10   like it on the button they have they [TS]

00:33:11   also have an ampersand in the middle [TS]

00:33:13   uh-huh but just couldn't do it couldn't [TS]

00:33:16   even my colour kinda [TS]

00:33:18   just feel like echo and the bunnymen [TS]

00:33:20   it's kind of like a slightly better [TS]

00:33:21   Smith's not but not a thing that i could [TS]

00:33:24   really sink my teeth into you know I [TS]

00:33:27   don't use this word much I think you're [TS]

00:33:28   trolling me haha i think you're I think [TS]

00:33:31   you're you're deliberately you're [TS]

00:33:32   deliberately making this more difficult [TS]

00:33:33   than it needs to be working on the show [TS]

00:33:36   are for this episode's going to bend [TS]

00:33:37   over so I'm trying to bring on trying to [TS]

00:33:39   bring the patterns out of the woodwork [TS]

00:33:41   because I know whatever whenever I get [TS]

00:33:43   whatever I really hit on something [TS]

00:33:44   that's true i get a lot of pedantic you [TS]

00:33:49   break your breaking people's frame [TS]

00:33:50   people don't like the frame broken [TS]

00:33:52   yeah it doesn't fit the frame low [TS]

00:33:53   booga-booga I get a lot of actually get [TS]

00:33:56   professor actually giving you call arm [TS]

00:34:01   my other one's going to toss out so like [TS]

00:34:03   anytime I don't know why I mean we talk [TS]

00:34:05   about godspeed you black emperor we have [TS]

00:34:08   I feel like we should talk about [TS]

00:34:09   godspeed you black emperor some I think [TS]

00:34:10   they're phenomenal their part of it i [TS]

00:34:12   could get I'm so relieved to hear that [TS]

00:34:13   their part of that's like loudness is [TS]

00:34:16   our sixth instrument right like we have [TS]

00:34:20   guitar bass drums other guitar keyboards [TS]

00:34:23   and loudness but they got strings [TS]

00:34:25   strings got like 60 guitars and then [TS]

00:34:28   they got like a little miniature a [TS]

00:34:29   string section string section and [TS]

00:34:31   loudness yeah but I they just did a tour [TS]

00:34:35   and everybody was at the shows and they [TS]

00:34:37   were raving about it and I was in maui [TS]

00:34:39   and they didn't come to maui they played [TS]

00:34:41   all these places that I could have been [TS]

00:34:43   should have been would have been who but [TS]

00:34:46   i know i think they're phenomenal [TS]

00:34:47   dimension is because like when you think [TS]

00:34:50   about the certain bands that are so [TS]

00:34:51   atmospheric and npv was what was your [TS]

00:34:53   other one the cure but like sometimes [TS]

00:34:55   when i first started getting into them [TS]

00:34:57   what 2000 2001 2002 something like that [TS]

00:35:01   oh and must know when I had my ipod [TS]

00:35:03   though anyway I've been listening to [TS]

00:35:05   them when i was on muni and when it was [TS]

00:35:07   when the train will go into the tunnel [TS]

00:35:09   hmm it's a bad time to be listening to [TS]

00:35:12   godspeed you black and well when the [TS]

00:35:13   train goes into the tunnel it's like [TS]

00:35:15   with my finger here right [TS]

00:35:16   that's an allegory Laura for when the [TS]

00:35:21   Sailor meets the girl in the surf like [TS]

00:35:23   you know beyond kissing beyond kissing [TS]

00:35:25   one boy loves a girl very much his lips [TS]

00:35:29   can keep his mind and nothing else [TS]

00:35:31   listen to god speed black emperor in my [TS]

00:35:34   wallet full of blood into the taraval [TS]

00:35:36   other merchants the merchants are mad [TS]

00:35:40   your local merchants there and we're [TS]

00:35:43   gonna make things to make the terrible [TS]

00:35:45   safer and run better and they're mad [TS]

00:35:47   about losing parking [TS]

00:35:48   they always do that to make it run [TS]

00:35:49   better yeah it's a lot it's a lot like I [TS]

00:35:51   got speed you black emperor some time [TS]

00:35:52   said well you check them out that makes [TS]

00:35:54   me feel good [TS]

00:35:55   oh yeah for sure for shizzle my bruh i [TS]

00:35:58   have not seen them live i tried to [TS]

00:36:00   introduce my mom to glad Godspeed black [TS]

00:36:02   Emperor because it seemed like the type [TS]

00:36:04   of thing that would like that she would [TS]

00:36:06   turn up in her whole house would like [TS]

00:36:08   resonate like a like a drum but by that [TS]

00:36:12   point she had really gotten too far into [TS]

00:36:14   slash's snakepit to really back out some [TS]

00:36:18   so what mom has taken a she's taking a [TS]

00:36:22   left turn for many many years she had [TS]

00:36:24   impeccable taste [TS]

00:36:26   she would play like all the early Pink [TS]

00:36:28   Floyd records like she was just crank [TS]

00:36:30   kuma kuma and uh you know and all she [TS]

00:36:34   had every Sabbath record and when [TS]

00:36:36   Sabbath transition to do she had no [TS]

00:36:38   problem with it she just she made that [TS]

00:36:40   bump just fine but not a time [TS]

00:36:44   no not at the time but later yeah I you [TS]

00:36:47   know all the all the Zeppelin have [TS]

00:36:49   everybody she was completely down with [TS]

00:36:52   the struggle she had she had a hard time [TS]

00:36:57   with late eighties metal because she [TS]

00:36:59   just didn't like the screechy singing [TS]

00:37:00   but somewhere along the line and this is [TS]

00:37:05   i don't i can't i can't say for sure i [TS]

00:37:07   don't know whether indie-rock got in her [TS]

00:37:09   head and threw off her natural balance [TS]

00:37:11   her you know what she was trying to do [TS]

00:37:14   what she was trying to replicate the [TS]

00:37:15   feeling that she had listening to [TS]

00:37:17   Rachmaninoff in metal right she she said [TS]

00:37:22   she said I get it [TS]

00:37:24   this is this is Rachmaninoff in the form [TS]

00:37:28   of guitar music and i am into it and she [TS]

00:37:31   had a parametric eq and she would eq [TS]

00:37:33   kind of the bubbles out and and push the [TS]

00:37:38   base all the way up and she would sit in [TS]

00:37:40   just like her house with just thunder [TS]

00:37:42   but somewhere along the line and this is [TS]

00:37:45   I'm embarrassed to say this she listened [TS]

00:37:49   to Crede and she responded very very [TS]

00:37:55   intimate John and and from Creed well [TS]

00:38:03   she went two directions from imagine a [TS]

00:38:05   little leap she heard muse and muse was [TS]

00:38:08   her favorite band all of a sudden and [TS]

00:38:10   whatever means would come to town she [TS]

00:38:12   would go to the show she would buy a [TS]

00:38:14   ticket she didn't want to sit in the [TS]

00:38:16   front row she did she was fine sitting [TS]

00:38:18   up in the stands way up in the stands [TS]

00:38:20   because that the you know the base would [TS]

00:38:22   really developed by the time it got to [TS]

00:38:23   her and so if you can picture my 77-year [TS]

00:38:26   old mom at the time sitting way up in [TS]

00:38:29   the stands at the muse concert by [TS]

00:38:31   herself having the time of her life [TS]

00:38:34   right she would just go by herself she's [TS]

00:38:36   you know I wouldn't be in town or [TS]

00:38:38   something and she's like I'm gonna go [TS]

00:38:39   see mios really into music but then also [TS]

00:38:43   into creed and then here's where goes [TS]

00:38:46   crazy she went got into all the bands [TS]

00:38:48   that were off sheets of the creek family [TS]

00:38:50   of bands [TS]

00:38:51   ok so a lot of what you would you call [TS]

00:38:55   John rock music grunge i mean it's it's [TS]

00:38:57   what grungy evolved into after after [TS]

00:39:00   everybody pronounced grunge as a title [TS]

00:39:03   of things [TS]

00:39:04   Oh sort of like the way new order was a [TS]

00:39:06   disco band [TS]

00:39:07   yeah right okay listen to disco anymore [TS]

00:39:09   except back to contribute an active and [TS]

00:39:13   so there's almost like post-christian [TS]

00:39:14   don't go doo-doo-doo-doo dole dog to [TS]

00:39:18   continually don't get too drunk it's [TS]

00:39:20   like seven string guitars are a lot of [TS]

00:39:22   drop D tuning and people going [TS]

00:39:24   yeah i'm gonna simmer down well where [TS]

00:39:27   judge Albright demo account junk down [TS]

00:39:30   its fucking grunge and it's the worst [TS]

00:39:33   part of ground and it was turned into a [TS]

00:39:36   whole genre that I kind of lump in with [TS]

00:39:40   like the kid rock family of bands [TS]

00:39:42   yeah sure where it's just like she'll do [TS]

00:39:44   a little investigating what's left [TS]

00:39:45   biscuit limp bizkit is the biggest crime [TS]

00:39:48   against humanity like limp bizkit the [TS]

00:39:51   ones are a little rappy [TS]

00:39:53   yeah but I think enough they were there [TS]

00:39:56   like a grunge band 7-string guitar [TS]

00:39:57   grunge band with the worst human ever [TS]

00:40:01   produced by the collision of a sperm and [TS]

00:40:04   an egg like there is a room in my dick [TS]

00:40:08   cheney donald rumsfeld underground [TS]

00:40:11   desert isolation that concentration [TS]

00:40:14   dungeon and concentration dungeon and uh [TS]

00:40:17   and LSD test facility won't say that on [TS]

00:40:24   the side [TS]

00:40:25   no no I there is no sign right the sign [TS]

00:40:28   says that sign says biological research [TS]

00:40:31   area raise please uh you have a gps [TS]

00:40:34   coordinates closely-held and a team [TS]

00:40:36   looks like regular desert on top but [TS]

00:40:40   there is a room for fred durst there and [TS]

00:40:44   it might be right next to cheney and [TS]

00:40:46   they might they might have lunch [TS]

00:40:47   together right i mean because each would [TS]

00:40:50   are you forming a form of torture to the [TS]

00:40:52   other [TS]

00:40:53   oh right like but Fred Fred Durst makes [TS]

00:40:56   me so angry he made me so angry the day [TS]

00:40:58   he arrived on the scene any success he's [TS]

00:41:01   ever had makes me angry any even things [TS]

00:41:04   that i would consider failures but he [TS]

00:41:05   would consider successes [TS]

00:41:07   I hate I hate on I hate on behalf of the [TS]

00:41:10   world and I do i would i would put him [TS]

00:41:13   in a room with a sink and a steal at a [TS]

00:41:15   metal bed a prison bed and I would [TS]

00:41:18   gradually over the course of many many [TS]

00:41:22   months add just trace amounts of LSD [TS]

00:41:24   into his water and then I would [TS]

00:41:27   gradually move the walls of his room so [TS]

00:41:30   that it was no longer square but not not [TS]

00:41:33   really no we couldn't [TS]

00:41:34   there's no reference point like the like [TS]

00:41:38   gradually the bed would also stop being [TS]

00:41:41   square it would be a little bit narrower [TS]

00:41:43   at one end and a little bit wider at the [TS]

00:41:44   other but that would be true of the room [TS]

00:41:46   to look at where the dead inexplicably [TS]

00:41:49   rose about an inch over the course of a [TS]

00:41:53   month exactly what they think is getting [TS]

00:41:55   shorter [TS]

00:41:56   he's going to write his shoes should get [TS]

00:41:58   a gig like the scene from Amelie right [TS]

00:42:01   with the shoes are just slightly getting [TS]

00:42:03   smaller bear and the then the dimensions [TS]

00:42:06   rumor changing but all the other things [TS]

00:42:08   in the rumor [TS]

00:42:09   also changing so the lines still look [TS]

00:42:11   parallel so he's looking down the line [TS]

00:42:13   of the bed and it's still parallel with [TS]

00:42:15   the wall but it does but it seems like a [TS]

00:42:17   it seems like a rhombus now I would do [TS]

00:42:20   that to him I would do it i would watch [TS]

00:42:23   the videos i would watch the [TS]

00:42:25   closed-circuit camera of him trying to [TS]

00:42:27   navigate this new space slightly [TS]

00:42:30   tripping on LSD but not quite enough to [TS]

00:42:32   identify what was going on i would do [TS]

00:42:34   that for hours i would i would cackle I [TS]

00:42:37   would eat I would eat microwave popcorn [TS]

00:42:39   what would he have a chance to to to [TS]

00:42:41   make good what do you know he could have [TS]

00:42:42   these are old [TS]

00:42:43   well I would you know is i would do this [TS]

00:42:45   as a form of pleasure torture [TS]

00:42:47   uh-huh and then ultimately when I when I [TS]

00:42:50   had exhausted the pleasure of driving [TS]

00:42:52   him insane i would throw him into a pit [TS]

00:42:54   i would throw him into a a poop it and [TS]

00:42:57   then I would set it on fire [TS]

00:42:58   that is how i feel about printers wow I [TS]

00:43:01   would do that that's a very strong [TS]

00:43:02   feeling jealous i would quit my job [TS]

00:43:04   which i don't think i would quit my [TS]

00:43:07   daughters get a job and quit and make my [TS]

00:43:10   job is boring torturing a Fred Durst and [TS]

00:43:14   Dick Cheney and Donald you know all the [TS]

00:43:19   other like hagiography that's happening [TS]

00:43:22   for Scalia now now boy here we go where [TS]

00:43:24   everybody is like you know what we all [TS]

00:43:26   hate and get a marker here just for [TS]

00:43:27   purposes we all hated him while he was [TS]

00:43:30   alive and we still kinda hate him [TS]

00:43:32   got a family did but you know what it [TS]

00:43:34   was a smart guy [TS]

00:43:35   no yeah no worries good writer a funny [TS]

00:43:37   guy yeah and all this like oh you know [TS]

00:43:39   what he was the one that recommended [TS]

00:43:40   Elena Kailyn are rbg considers him a [TS]

00:43:45   good buddy a good path I bet they had [TS]

00:43:47   fun but that's a times [TS]

00:43:49   Ruth Bader they had they laughed they [TS]

00:43:50   cried [TS]

00:43:52   everybody loved him and the fact that he [TS]

00:43:54   was a monster another agent would have [TS]

00:43:57   called him a garbage person turn turn [TS]

00:43:59   back the clock and ruined not just the [TS]

00:44:02   judiciary but America being articulate [TS]

00:44:05   about hating people does not make you a [TS]

00:44:06   good person that's exactly right he's a [TS]

00:44:09   good writer but does not make you a good [TS]

00:44:10   person very very articulate and very [TS]

00:44:12   clean [TS]

00:44:13   he was very smug use a clean old man but [TS]

00:44:17   yeah unredeemable but the thing is in [TS]

00:44:19   all the years I never wanted him in my [TS]

00:44:21   torture dungeon [TS]

00:44:22   that torture dungeon is is reserved for [TS]

00:44:26   women Lawrence eagle Burger has a room [TS]

00:44:29   there and he was just following orders [TS]

00:44:31   right he was just he was just following [TS]

00:44:35   orders but he's got I think we're out [TS]

00:44:37   not all right all right Lauren sequel [TS]

00:44:42   burger I'm gonna let him i'm gonna sit [TS]

00:44:44   him in a in a concrete room but you make [TS]

00:44:46   my trusty John could he made me do [TS]

00:44:48   laundry that's exactly right that's [TS]

00:44:49   exactly what I let him make a case out [TS]

00:44:51   and he can you know he can he can do the [TS]

00:44:54   sweeping up the laundry he can take he [TS]

00:44:57   can take the twins out of the cold bath [TS]

00:44:59   between Z column first with that's what [TS]

00:45:03   the fuck the focus of your existential [TS]

00:45:05   existential punishment dungeon being [TS]

00:45:08   Frederick's pick that back they would be [TS]

00:45:13   that they would be the two sides of you [TS]

00:45:14   know like there's the fred durst side [TS]

00:45:16   and there's the dick cheney's just call [TS]

00:45:18   my boys keep the hot side hot and not [TS]

00:45:20   say how that old days fresh yep [TS]

00:45:22   mhm uh so yeah limp bizkit unredeemable [TS]

00:45:26   I mean you know their song I did it for [TS]

00:45:30   the nookie [TS]

00:45:31   oh that's right they did do it for the [TS]

00:45:32   nokia forgot about that and so you can [TS]

00:45:34   have this cookie and shove it up your [TS]

00:45:35   ass [TS]

00:45:36   it's a line that's a lot huh well as the [TS]

00:45:40   other band it was like limp biscuit was [TS]

00:45:42   another there's another band that was [TS]

00:45:44   like that right to talk about the one [TS]

00:45:46   that had two lead singers the rapper and [TS]

00:45:47   singer [TS]

00:45:48   oh maybe I'm trying to because they call [TS]

00:45:50   a new metal is that what it's called [TS]

00:45:52   nu-metal and you and unions madill ok [TS]

00:45:55   you're uh you're thinking maybe a linkin [TS]

00:45:57   park [TS]

00:45:57   Linkin Park that's exactly exactly what [TS]

00:46:00   i was thinking of seven string guitars [TS]

00:46:01   Linkin Park but Lincoln Park had a [TS]

00:46:04   curious thing like they had it they had [TS]

00:46:05   a singer in a wrapper in my estimation [TS]

00:46:08   the rapper was somewhat superfluous but [TS]

00:46:11   the singer actually could sing before [TS]

00:46:13   and they and their music did not take on [TS]

00:46:15   the grossly misogynistic and genre [TS]

00:46:19   bending garbage person music if we still [TS]

00:46:22   call it that that that is limp bizkit [TS]

00:46:25   Linkin Park was just a bad that you're [TS]

00:46:27   like to I like this do not like this [TS]

00:46:28   yeah that there is no way you could like [TS]

00:46:32   limp biscuit [TS]

00:46:33   I don't care if you were seven years old [TS]

00:46:36   like and I or not none can be forgiven [TS]

00:46:38   for this one can be forget concord about [TS]

00:46:41   the band Korn they had backwards can [TS]

00:46:42   then get Slipknot in corn seed that was [TS]

00:46:45   like that was that was grungy metal or [TS]

00:46:48   mentally grunge sometimes kind of joke [TS]

00:46:50   band though right [TS]

00:46:51   what Slipknot home i think i'm losing it [TS]

00:46:53   all to getting insane clown posse [TS]

00:46:55   well so don't start with the same client [TS]

00:46:57   policy but like you know talk about [TS]

00:46:58   jugglers in a long time [TS]

00:47:00   Slipknot well juggalos kinda they went [TS]

00:47:03   through the looking glass with me when [TS]

00:47:05   I'm we're on the other side of it now [TS]

00:47:07   cosplay you start to respect it yeah I [TS]

00:47:09   respect because of because that kid came [TS]

00:47:11   up here and explain to me that would [TS]

00:47:13   explain to me the philosophy of juggalo [TS]

00:47:14   ism yes I ever since then I've been like [TS]

00:47:17   you know what I'm gonna give them a pass [TS]

00:47:18   i mean i don't want to I don't want to [TS]

00:47:20   go to the gathering [TS]

00:47:21   I don't want to accidentally be I don't [TS]

00:47:23   want to be on a plane that crashes and [TS]

00:47:25   actually crashes into the gathering [TS]

00:47:28   Oh like it would be like a juggling [TS]

00:47:30   convention and the aortic Shriners on [TS]

00:47:33   the plane I don't want to I don't want [TS]

00:47:35   somebody to drug me put me in the trunk [TS]

00:47:37   of a car and i wake up at the Catherine [TS]

00:47:39   I want to make the Juggalos yeah what I [TS]

00:47:41   want but I left it's like live and let [TS]

00:47:43   live [TS]

00:47:44   uh-huh I feel like slipknot was only a [TS]

00:47:46   joke band in the same way that war was [TS]

00:47:49   ok what I mean would you give guaro pass [TS]

00:47:54   it's interesting that's interesting [TS]

00:47:55   because this gets us a don't know this [TS]

00:47:57   is where we want to go but like you got [TS]

00:47:58   like these somewhere you get these bands [TS]

00:48:01   that are kind of like a humorous rock [TS]

00:48:04   bands you got joke bands you got bands [TS]

00:48:07   with a bit right and there's this weird [TS]

00:48:09   Venn diagram though where you could in [TS]

00:48:11   some really weird Venn diagram a person [TS]

00:48:14   could put they might be giants and [TS]

00:48:15   slipping on the same Venn diagram window [TS]

00:48:18   you're right I see what you're saying [TS]

00:48:19   you see what I'm saying yeah but how do [TS]

00:48:21   you feel about how do you feel about the [TS]

00:48:22   dwarves I don't know the door as well [TS]

00:48:24   but like weird al weird out he does [TS]

00:48:27   comedy rock [TS]

00:48:28   yeah he does that we're now and they [TS]

00:48:30   might be giants don't belong in the same [TS]

00:48:31   universe really no I mean we're now is a [TS]

00:48:35   weirdo is a wonderful man i understand [TS]

00:48:37   and he is a cultural treasure [TS]

00:48:40   yeah but they might be giants are our [TS]

00:48:44   giants arli writing genius I I don't [TS]

00:48:49   diss [TS]

00:48:49   agreed i'm talking someone about what [TS]

00:48:51   where people would put them you know [TS]

00:48:53   genre wise oh sure I mean let's say I [TS]

00:48:54   agree i think that I mean I'm not here [TS]

00:48:56   to get there but they get play good [TS]

00:48:58   attention they're one of my favorite [TS]

00:48:59   pants [TS]

00:48:59   that's right that's you you have covered [TS]

00:49:01   that band uh I have yeah you did your [TS]

00:49:03   pet name song [TS]

00:49:04   yeah I don't know if they've ever [TS]

00:49:05   covered me and that seems like something [TS]

00:49:07   that they should probably do a seat [TS]

00:49:08   cover that song about divorce about you [TS]

00:49:12   know what's that song say so much who [TS]

00:49:14   i'm on how do you know my chill about [TS]

00:49:18   marriott san slabs happiness but it [TS]

00:49:25   generally does not sound like that why [TS]

00:49:26   do i do that no I don't know you have to [TS]

00:49:28   seize loves happiness that's not well [TS]

00:49:30   occasionally doing Jerry Lewis there's a [TS]

00:49:32   little teeny you you gotta teach me [TS]

00:49:35   yes unhappiness can see them of his sad [TS]

00:49:38   little similarity but your but you are [TS]

00:49:40   making a muppet boys and my brother was [TS]

00:49:42   hanging there [TS]

00:49:43   oh no that's you know what he sounds [TS]

00:49:47   like that the Smiths they need to change [TS]

00:49:49   they need a change [TS]

00:49:51   I didn't hear that last part John how do [TS]

00:49:52   you feel about Marilyn Manson struck [TS]

00:49:55   band I would take that as a joke band [TS]

00:49:57   wow I had a friend that used to work [TS]

00:49:59   with him at peaches in boca and he was a [TS]

00:50:02   laughingstock he was he was a silly goth [TS]

00:50:04   boy who wore like long underwear under [TS]

00:50:07   his torn up jeans and he was just he was [TS]

00:50:09   a very silly guy but you know good for [TS]

00:50:10   him huh [TS]

00:50:12   good for him well now here's my Marilyn [TS]

00:50:14   Manson experience i want to see them in [TS]

00:50:17   a big stadium show ya with the whole [TS]

00:50:21   opening and I went as a joke I was like [TS]

00:50:26   I'm gonna go see Marilyn Manson hole [TS]

00:50:27   right right [TS]

00:50:29   the two worst things after limited like [TS]

00:50:31   whole Melissa after more little lived [TS]

00:50:35   through this was a spectacular record it [TS]

00:50:38   really was i really loved it and I some [TS]

00:50:41   pretty great tunes but there was nothing [TS]

00:50:44   about hole that I could I mean you know [TS]

00:50:49   like the whole like we're a band it's [TS]

00:50:52   not that we're it's the no doubt problem [TS]

00:50:54   right that everybody was like yeah [TS]

00:50:55   you're it's sure it's Wednesday funny [TS]

00:50:57   and they're like no we're a bad but is [TS]

00:50:59   an equal part in Destiny's Child and so [TS]

00:51:02   so whole you know like Eric erlandson [TS]

00:51:06   and Patty schmell I mean like you i'm [TS]

00:51:10   saying that right Melissa after more so [TS]

00:51:12   that in our graph tomorrow [TS]

00:51:14   she's very attractive she's only in that [TS]

00:51:17   band because they lost their other bass [TS]

00:51:18   player huh to the drugs [TS]

00:51:21   oh right the drugs the drugs but like [TS]

00:51:25   Courtney was just so problematic and by [TS]

00:51:28   that point by that point in their career [TS]

00:51:32   they had made the record that she did [TS]

00:51:34   10,000 interviews about like this was [TS]

00:51:35   there rumors right we're gonna miss ya [TS]

00:51:40   no no that's a great that's a great tune [TS]

00:51:42   from great album great record but by the [TS]

00:51:45   time she was touting her new record as [TS]

00:51:47   the new rumors and then it came out and [TS]

00:51:50   it was like not only is this not the new [TS]

00:51:52   rumors no celebrity skin celebrities [TS]

00:51:54   haha yes I don't remember there's a lot [TS]

00:51:56   of lot of press about that this is not [TS]

00:51:58   only the new rumors this is the new this [TS]

00:52:01   isn't up to the standard of the third [TS]

00:52:03   Whitesnake album right like this is mom [TS]

00:52:06   this is no good no good [TS]

00:52:08   this is no this is Whitesnake level no [TS]

00:52:10   good and so I went to this concert [TS]

00:52:13   marilyn manson come on of a fault the [TS]

00:52:16   whole this is gonna be I'm gonna have so [TS]

00:52:19   much fun i'm gonna fill a 64 ounce cup [TS]

00:52:22   with semen having fun fucking with this [TS]

00:52:25   show right and I was standing on the [TS]

00:52:26   side of the stage because of who I am I [TS]

00:52:30   get to do things like that because I'm i [TS]

00:52:32   could have both privilege and i'm also [TS]

00:52:33   very important [TS]

00:52:34   wait on the way you get privilege which [TS]

00:52:37   you acknowledge right but it is a [TS]

00:52:38   different thing which is that you [TS]

00:52:39   actually are legitimately important yeah [TS]

00:52:40   that's right you're different from a lot [TS]

00:52:42   of people would just have privilege [TS]

00:52:43   there's a lot of privilege that's [TS]

00:52:44   unexamined I have examined mine and [TS]

00:52:46   found it to be appropriate [TS]

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00:54:55   Squarespace you should so I'm standing [TS]

00:54:58   on the side of the stage and the check [TS]

00:55:00   next to me is dan Savage who reports [TS]

00:55:05   that this is the first rock concert he's [TS]

00:55:08   ever been to man up until this point in [TS]

00:55:10   his life he had only gone to drag shows [TS]

00:55:13   and broadway shows right because he was [TS]

00:55:16   a certain he was from a certain era of [TS]

00:55:18   being a gay man where you just liked [TS]

00:55:21   Broadway he'd never been to a rock [TS]

00:55:23   concert of any kind he had no rock now [TS]

00:55:25   that's so weird and so he stood next to [TS]

00:55:28   me throughout the show and I was like [TS]

00:55:31   whispering in his ear [TS]

00:55:32   what was happening bc this dan this is a [TS]

00:55:35   base this is an electric bass now you [TS]

00:55:38   were like your spirit guide [TS]

00:55:39   yeah but it doesn't sound like an [TS]

00:55:40   electric bass right now because he's [TS]

00:55:42   running it through a machine that makes [TS]

00:55:44   it sound all karate and dams like okay [TS]

00:55:49   karate and I was like yeah basis low [TS]

00:55:51   sound but it sounds high right now [TS]

00:55:53   because of this box is running through [TS]

00:55:55   intense like okay [TS]

00:55:57   is that something I should care about [TS]

00:55:58   and I'm like no no you don't have to [TS]

00:56:00   care about that and it would be like [TS]

00:56:02   good good good [TS]

00:56:03   ok I got it so tell me what I should [TS]

00:56:05   care about and I'm like well here's what [TS]

00:56:07   you should care about you know like [TS]

00:56:08   where was it was fun to do to take [TS]

00:56:11   somebody that I that I knew and liked [TS]

00:56:13   and walk him through rock music as [TS]

00:56:15   though he had never heard it because it [TS]

00:56:16   he actually had never heard but then so [TS]

00:56:20   this is going on through all the opening [TS]

00:56:21   bands and the first band was monster [TS]

00:56:24   magnet right which I actually kind of [TS]

00:56:26   like they were a little bit of a funny [TS]

00:56:28   metal band but they were more metal than [TS]

00:56:30   funny or like rock metal mhm like [TS]

00:56:33   Monster Magnet walk down through monster [TS]

00:56:35   magnet whole came on we both we both [TS]

00:56:38   shared a an intrinsic understanding of [TS]

00:56:41   what Courtney Love was can be because of [TS]

00:56:44   his background because of his back right [TS]

00:56:46   at that point he probably brought a lot [TS]

00:56:47   of lot of knowledge he was like aha i [TS]

00:56:50   seen that before I see this now and I [TS]

00:56:53   was like yes to this needs no explaining [TS]

00:56:55   but then Marilyn Manson took the stage [TS]

00:56:57   and I had I was wearing my Technicolor [TS]

00:57:02   irony coat and and was ready for this [TS]

00:57:10   ship comes out and proceeds with all of [TS]

00:57:16   his serial killer named clown families [TS]

00:57:19   proceeds to put on an extraordinary rock [TS]

00:57:23   show a fucking massive stadium grade [TS]

00:57:27   rock show that i SAT back in my heels [TS]

00:57:32   was like this is phenomenal [TS]

00:57:35   there is nothing funny about this it is [TS]

00:57:38   huge like the music is huge the show is [TS]

00:57:42   huge i was completely converted to the [TS]

00:57:44   marilyn manson cause not not even not [TS]

00:57:49   not so there was no irony left in me so [TS]

00:57:54   much so that when he came back to town I [TS]

00:57:56   went of my own volition not to laugh but [TS]

00:57:58   to celebrate [TS]

00:58:00   whoa like this is this is rock and roll [TS]

00:58:04   in the next time he came through he [TS]

00:58:06   wasn't a stadium band anymore he was [TS]

00:58:07   playing the big theater and it was [TS]

00:58:10   fucking great [TS]

00:58:12   he he threw a microphone a roadie he I [TS]

00:58:17   mean all the things you're not supposed [TS]

00:58:18   to do he transgressed not only our [TS]

00:58:21   societal expectations of gender and [TS]

00:58:25   power but he also he also challenged my [TS]

00:58:30   knowledge of how you're supposed to [TS]

00:58:32   treat your staff [TS]

00:58:33   it was terrible justjust from an HR [TS]

00:58:36   standpoint he's bringing something new [TS]

00:58:37   he wasn't just walking around in a dirty [TS]

00:58:40   jock strap [TS]

00:58:41   he was throwing microphones at his own [TS]

00:58:43   guys and I was like that's pretty rock [TS]

00:58:45   and roll that seems like something you [TS]

00:58:47   would do if you were like legitimately [TS]

00:58:49   on drugs and and I've when I see a [TS]

00:58:52   stadium Rock Show I assume that every [TS]

00:58:54   single thing that happens on the stage [TS]

00:58:55   is choreographed and part of the show [TS]

00:58:57   sure I saw Metallica one time where they [TS]

00:58:59   set the set the main PA on fire you know [TS]

00:59:03   that without a plan and they had to [TS]

00:59:05   shave and turn on the house lights and [TS]

00:59:08   move the audience back 80 feet from the [TS]

00:59:11   stage and the fire department came in [TS]

00:59:13   and I was like this is all part of the [TS]

00:59:15   show I mean I was fucking baked right [TS]

00:59:17   but I was this is part of the show now I [TS]

00:59:19   don't think you could do that as part of [TS]

00:59:20   the show but they set the PA on fire [TS]

00:59:24   come on if that's not part of the show [TS]

00:59:26   they should make it part of the show [TS]

00:59:27   every subsequent night of this to her [TS]

00:59:31   yeah if you didn't have a plan for that [TS]

00:59:32   you'll be filling out a lot forms every [TS]

00:59:34   night [TS]

00:59:34   yeah right exactly exactly nobody wants [TS]

00:59:37   a great white situation [TS]

00:59:38   oh god but uh but Marilyn Manson you [TS]

00:59:44   know they did something that that no one [TS]

00:59:47   can ever take away from me which is that [TS]

00:59:49   I saw Marilyn mansion show and I came [TS]

00:59:51   out the other side and [TS]

00:59:52   I'm sitting next to Dan and I'm like [TS]

00:59:53   this is blowing my mind and Ansel [TS]

00:59:55   watching it as a Broadway show [TS]

00:59:57   sure what I mean can take it away from [TS]

00:59:59   the guys before [TS]

00:59:59   the guys before [TS]

01:00:00   former it sounds like you know I mean [TS]

01:00:01   he's taking more than one note from [TS]

01:00:02   alice cooper about how to like put on a [TS]

01:00:04   mind-blowing show but with the [TS]

01:00:06   technologies got available that must be [TS]

01:00:08   pretty amazing and you know he didn't do [TS]

01:00:10   the Alice Cooper thing where it's like [TS]

01:00:11   I'm gonna be head of a tonight onstage [TS]

01:00:14   with the guillotine [TS]

01:00:16   yeah he was doing a thing that was that [TS]

01:00:19   was purporting to be live and in the [TS]

01:00:21   moment I didn't feel good didn't feel [TS]

01:00:23   campy it wasn't it was extremely can't [TS]

01:00:26   be my god they were they were dressed [TS]

01:00:28   like they were dressed like a they were [TS]

01:00:31   all dressed like the the main villain [TS]

01:00:33   road warrior who write and they were [TS]

01:00:36   doing that thing remember when he [TS]

01:00:38   remember when the the bad guy and I [TS]

01:00:40   forget his name but the bad guy the road [TS]

01:00:42   warrior he jumps on the back of a car he [TS]

01:00:44   rides it in through the gate and then [TS]

01:00:46   he's inside the compound and he looks [TS]

01:00:48   around and everybody's like it's him the [TS]

01:00:51   mohawk and there and now it's like what [TS]

01:00:53   we do and he jumps jumps on from on top [TS]

01:00:56   of the car to on top of the truck gets [TS]

01:00:57   up on the wall kills a guy runs along [TS]

01:01:01   everybody's there Mel Gibson's there [TS]

01:01:03   they're all like got to get him and he [TS]

01:01:04   stops right on the gate and he looks [TS]

01:01:07   back and he goes high and it's an [TS]

01:01:11   overdub sound who you know it's like him [TS]

01:01:14   going [TS]

01:01:15   ah but it but it's too stereophonic to [TS]

01:01:19   really be from him uh-huh but that's [TS]

01:01:21   exactly how he would sound like that's [TS]

01:01:24   exactly right [TS]

01:01:25   sure and then he jumps down and he gets [TS]

01:01:27   away how does he do that [TS]

01:01:28   how did you get from inside outside that [TS]

01:01:30   is what Marilyn Manson's band looked [TS]

01:01:32   like to me and they were all saying to [TS]

01:01:35   this audience of 14 year olds do drugs [TS]

01:01:38   do drugs which was hilarious [TS]

01:01:42   on the face of it as a kind of response [TS]

01:01:45   to the PMRC that's ten and a half years [TS]

01:01:48   to too late now the install the same no [TS]

01:01:51   drug stuff around for a pretty long time [TS]

01:01:53   yeah that's true but he's like do drugs [TS]

01:01:55   and all the 14 year olds are like I will [TS]

01:01:57   and dan Savage was like this is [TS]

01:02:00   fantastic and I agreed agreed that it [TS]

01:02:04   was fantastic i'll give it another try [TS]

01:02:07   I'll drop the needle on some some [TS]

01:02:09   marilyn manson I don't know if it's [TS]

01:02:10   gonna I don't know if it's just alive [TS]

01:02:12   if if it will if you can put it on the [TS]

01:02:16   stereo and really and really take it but [TS]

01:02:18   I think there's something there there's [TS]

01:02:19   something there there was something [TS]

01:02:23   there [TS]

01:02:23   what about see for some reason a funny [TS]

01:02:26   one for me is nine inch nails because [TS]

01:02:28   nine inch nails had their first big [TS]

01:02:29   single at a time when I was going lots [TS]

01:02:31   of new at night to gay bars and dancing [TS]

01:02:33   a lot [TS]

01:02:34   yeah and at the time I got up I could [TS]

01:02:36   have if i could watch a VHS tape of you [TS]

01:02:39   dancing who had a lot of amaretto sours [TS]

01:02:41   buddy i would i would pay but this is a [TS]

01:02:46   time where like so you would still here [TS]

01:02:48   if the my heyday for this was gonna say [TS]

01:02:53   80 to 89 90 91 ish but especially I'm [TS]

01:02:59   gonna say 89 i was doing on there's a [TS]

01:03:01   lot of that was a fun time for me [TS]

01:03:02   there's a lot of great rock music and a [TS]

01:03:04   lot of great but at the same time I was [TS]

01:03:06   I was borrowing well i was gonna say I [TS]

01:03:08   was far away most advanced like Pixies [TS]

01:03:10   but i was also super in hip-hop that's [TS]

01:03:12   the most i've ever been into hip-hop if [TS]

01:03:14   it was that or summer of the summer of [TS]

01:03:16   fight the power but also i love dance [TS]

01:03:19   music I really love it especially love [TS]

01:03:22   stuff like paid in full [TS]

01:03:23   like I love the like the acrobatics of [TS]

01:03:25   like hip-hop as dance music which you [TS]

01:03:28   know wasn't always a thing like people [TS]

01:03:30   did not really dance to run DMC know you [TS]

01:03:32   have like we have like a dump like [TS]

01:03:34   turntable is doing something like taking [TS]

01:03:36   you know as I had a 12-inch where they [TS]

01:03:39   had the long version of pain full with i [TS]

01:03:43   want you back by the Jackson 5 over it [TS]

01:03:45   it was like six of the greatest thing [TS]

01:03:46   I've ever heard in my life I coming so [TS]

01:03:47   what engineers came up with this is [TS]

01:03:49   originally do you know hip-hop was dance [TS]

01:03:51   music because that's where they invented [TS]

01:03:52   the the breakdancing yeah I know but I [TS]

01:03:54   mean I butBut you think about you think [TS]

01:03:58   about the other early Run DMC which is [TS]

01:04:00   great for the time was pretty stiff it [TS]

01:04:04   that they did not have a lot of what we [TS]

01:04:05   came to call flow to it [TS]

01:04:07   oh yeah but anyway but when I want the [TS]

01:04:09   top of the beach i would go to yeah i [TS]

01:04:11   would go to uh you know new ignited a [TS]

01:04:15   gay bar or whatever local bars why we [TS]

01:04:17   played at your school band played it [TS]

01:04:19   would also have new wave night we would [TS]

01:04:20   go there a lot and pretty cheap drinks [TS]

01:04:22   and so the total package but like any [TS]

01:04:25   given night [TS]

01:04:26   unix you could expect to hear this same [TS]

01:04:29   like amazing in retrospect amazingly [TS]

01:04:31   dissonant handful of songs so you might [TS]

01:04:34   hear that Harley the son-of-a-bitch you [TS]

01:04:36   might hear bring the eighth advice [TS]

01:04:38   remember that track you might hear [TS]

01:04:40   laibach you might hear you would [TS]

01:04:43   certainly add some boy huh [TS]

01:04:45   you can be my cowgirl that was more like [TS]

01:04:47   mekinese this little bit then you here [TS]

01:04:50   but then you would always hear the long [TS]

01:04:51   version 2 12 inch version of gigantic by [TS]

01:04:54   Pixies and you would always hear of [TS]

01:04:56   course when it wants to cut big head [TS]

01:04:58   like a hole would bring the kids out [TS]

01:04:59   that had like a whole really brought [TS]

01:05:01   people out on the dance floor and the [TS]

01:05:03   thing is though at the time someone [TS]

01:05:04   trying to get at is that was a funny [TS]

01:05:06   pivot time for me and music and my [TS]

01:05:08   understanding is because you're going [TS]

01:05:09   from like the super kind of silly gothy [TS]

01:05:12   eighties miss of the of the Gothic bands [TS]

01:05:16   right and it's before it's around a [TS]

01:05:19   little in again go back to the very [TS]

01:05:21   beginning of the show think about [TS]

01:05:22   ministry yet the Ministry of everyday is [TS]

01:05:25   Halloween and then you've got the [TS]

01:05:27   Ministry of Psalm 69 and those are like [TS]

01:05:29   really that's a very very different band [TS]

01:05:32   so this is around that time and so I [TS]

01:05:35   wasn't sure where where I had like a [TS]

01:05:38   whole and the same and nitrogen I wasn't [TS]

01:05:41   sure quite where nine inch nails fixed [TS]

01:05:43   because uh because I know them from that [TS]

01:05:44   one tune but like I think in a way they [TS]

01:05:47   were much more forward-looking that I [TS]

01:05:48   realized at the time because i'm still [TS]

01:05:50   kind of up in the men within like an [TS]

01:05:51   industrial dance music if you think [TS]

01:05:53   about 1989 it's kind of a watershed [TS]

01:05:55   moment which is to say that throughout [TS]

01:05:58   the eighties popular music with in [TS]

01:06:03   popular music there was no aspect of it [TS]

01:06:05   that was hard or time and by hard I [TS]

01:06:08   don't mean like hard rock I mean hard [TS]

01:06:10   like they're like your soul is harder [TS]

01:06:12   your fists are hard it's just I mean [TS]

01:06:14   that the production of stuff was pretty [TS]

01:06:17   thin lot of the time yeah and-and-and [TS]

01:06:19   soft right cough up until that point the [TS]

01:06:23   whole the governing aesthetic of it was [TS]

01:06:24   we're sad things are seeing suck [TS]

01:06:29   well I like one of my favorite passion [TS]

01:06:31   that time absolutely was a the cocteau [TS]

01:06:33   twins arm and you know that was my god [TS]

01:06:37   it was like it was like listening to a [TS]

01:06:39   spider [TS]

01:06:39   being built right not like the [TS]

01:06:42   thunderous stuff that would soon come [TS]

01:06:44   along but in 1989 there was a moment [TS]

01:06:47   where where goth got hard and it wasn't [TS]

01:06:54   it wasn't sad anymore and it wasn't that [TS]

01:06:58   it was mad [TS]

01:06:59   it was resigned to the fact that [TS]

01:07:03   vivisection was in our future right that [TS]

01:07:06   it was it was reporting now on a reality [TS]

01:07:11   on a future reality that they could see [TS]

01:07:14   where we all became cyborgs that shit in [TS]

01:07:19   a bag right like side of the one part [TS]

01:07:24   they couldn't engineer out of us cyborgs [TS]

01:07:27   that weren't close and will require a [TS]

01:07:28   bag i must I have clinicals three bag [TS]

01:07:32   like if we have all the information of [TS]

01:07:35   the universe in my brain yet I must poop [TS]

01:07:37   in bag [TS]

01:07:38   do you remember during that that was the [TS]

01:07:39   crop circle era where lot more animal [TS]

01:07:42   mutilation was happening in it like you [TS]

01:07:45   wake up in the morning and there'd be [TS]

01:07:47   some goats shirt on the fence it was [TS]

01:07:51   this it was this version of of the [TS]

01:07:54   future that was well dystopian let's [TS]

01:07:56   just call it what they called it so so [TS]

01:07:59   it went from it went from like I'm sad [TS]

01:08:03   about my girlfriend breaking up with me [TS]

01:08:05   and so I'm on heroin to like I know that [TS]

01:08:11   I know that one day I will be splayed on [TS]

01:08:13   an operating table and a and this is the [TS]

01:08:18   music that sounds like that and you know [TS]

01:08:21   in hip-hop it had gone all the way from [TS]

01:08:23   like we're tough to we are killing cops [TS]

01:08:27   yeah and nwa I mean public enemy was I [TS]

01:08:32   think about public any and maybe [TS]

01:08:33   nineteen eighty six or seven and they [TS]

01:08:36   were still scary but those are plastic [TS]

01:08:38   Uzis but it was the NWA NWA was [TS]

01:08:41   terrifying [TS]

01:08:42   the thing about something about public [TS]

01:08:44   enemies it was protest music it was [TS]

01:08:46   ultimately intellectual it was it was [TS]

01:08:49   making making a widespread cultural [TS]

01:08:51   implications [TS]

01:08:52   which are obviously an artistic [TS]

01:08:53   statement not to take anything away from [TS]

01:08:55   the seriousness of their material but [TS]

01:08:56   they were they were artists what they [TS]

01:08:58   were and what they were doing with that [TS]

01:08:59   what they call the bomb squad like what [TS]

01:09:00   they did with production nothing nothing [TS]

01:09:03   like that has ever existed before it's [TS]

01:09:04   still sparkles Terminator x [TS]

01:09:06   yeah i mean i'm not gonna don't mind [TS]

01:09:08   doing i'm like 'what 1989 no don't do it [TS]

01:09:13   out of the fucking driving w your heart [TS]

01:09:15   because I know you got soul but it dont [TS]

01:09:17   steps don't bend wa was much more [TS]

01:09:20   reportage and it was much more localized [TS]

01:09:22   right they were talking about the world [TS]

01:09:24   they were talking about even the other [TS]

01:09:25   side of Los Angeles your cancers with [TS]

01:09:28   Aaron but they were still dancers like [TS]

01:09:30   there was a whole show to it [TS]

01:09:31   yeah yeah but well anyway with scary [TS]

01:09:34   shit label they had flavor [TS]

01:09:36   yeah that's true whereas I mean eazy-e [TS]

01:09:38   was the was the Flavor Flav of nwa but [TS]

01:09:42   easy he was fucking hard he wasn't he [TS]

01:09:44   wasn't any that's not to say the flavor [TS]

01:09:46   was hard but anyway the thing that the [TS]

01:09:49   world does not need right now is you and [TS]

01:09:51   me talking about the hip-hop 1989 [TS]

01:09:53   I don't know man I don't know is things [TS]

01:09:56   I I don't know it did something to me it [TS]

01:09:58   did something to me out why no I'm not [TS]

01:10:00   you but but i would i'm not here to try [TS]

01:10:03   and sound like I'm hardcore something [TS]

01:10:05   I'm a white guy was in college but at [TS]

01:10:06   the same time like there's so much stuff [TS]

01:10:08   that would not be interesting happening [TS]

01:10:10   today if it hadn't been for like what [TS]

01:10:12   was happening then that anything the [TS]

01:10:14   next video magic personally is that is [TS]

01:10:17   that the thread at the time there was an [TS]

01:10:21   equally powerful thread in del assault [TS]

01:10:24   that was just gonna say that that it's [TS]

01:10:26   exactly was going to say which is you go [TS]

01:10:27   from do the right thing to like in the [TS]

01:10:31   next I think that same summer is when r [TS]

01:10:33   3 feet high and rising came out and the [TS]

01:10:35   thing is alongside jungle brothers [TS]

01:10:37   alongside our tribe called quest along [TS]

01:10:40   the night on [TS]

01:10:41   yeah yeah yeah it's not super tmw take [TS]

01:10:43   your point all those pants the thing was [TS]

01:10:44   there was no indication that this was [TS]

01:10:47   piqued hip-hop which I think it kind of [TS]

01:10:49   was it was very much the sense of like [TS]

01:10:52   there is no we have no idea where this [TS]

01:10:54   is gonna go now there is no stop it this [TS]

01:10:56   could go anywhere after you heard three [TS]

01:10:58   feet height right high and rising like [TS]

01:10:59   this there's no limit to this this is [TS]

01:11:02   different so much you can do here then [TS]

01:11:03   with rock'n'roll considering that three [TS]

01:11:05   feet high and dry [TS]

01:11:05   in and nation of millions you know where [TS]

01:11:09   were setting the you know the boundaries [TS]

01:11:12   what what makes me sad is that that [TS]

01:11:16   thread of tribe called quest lauryn hill [TS]

01:11:20   in some ways right it went over there [TS]

01:11:23   and kind of just went it ended up being [TS]

01:11:27   and that was it that was a direction [TS]

01:11:29   that like I was very excited about I [TS]

01:11:32   mean I was all I was also very excited [TS]

01:11:33   about the other direction you know the [TS]

01:11:35   in the direction of nwa but I was very [TS]

01:11:38   excited about this this direction of [TS]

01:11:40   like socially conscious really clever [TS]

01:11:44   and you know clever lyrics and clever [TS]

01:11:47   like groovy production that was this [TS]

01:11:50   that there was the direction of tribe [TS]

01:11:52   with della soul being the like having [TS]

01:11:55   already made revolver and then we're [TS]

01:11:58   going to go it just kind of like nobody [TS]

01:12:01   picked up that thread because the energy [TS]

01:12:03   all went to the energy all went into a [TS]

01:12:05   different kind of anger and that and i'm [TS]

01:12:07   still sad about it and went to find its [TS]

01:12:09   funds all from memory i'm not looking at [TS]

01:12:11   anything here but I'm remembering a [TS]

01:12:12   funny like disappointing confluence of [TS]

01:12:15   things at the time and this is not a [TS]

01:12:17   value judgment this is just an [TS]

01:12:18   observation one thing is that it was [TS]

01:12:20   being part of it was the ascendance of [TS]

01:12:21   Miami Bass music which was pretty dumb [TS]

01:12:25   down [TS]

01:12:26   I mean to say the least it was very it [TS]

01:12:28   was not in love you long time [TS]

01:12:30   doodoo brown I mean okay right to the [TS]

01:12:32   ground I get it doodoo brown and you [TS]

01:12:34   know it was not really i mean someone [TS]

01:12:36   was pretty clever the the asian guy in [TS]

01:12:39   tulip tree was pretty amazing like [TS]

01:12:40   inspire others that but then you know [TS]

01:12:43   what else is huge at the time was [TS]

01:12:44   suddenly like an idealist always kinda [TS]

01:12:48   alongside biz markie was kind of poster [TS]

01:12:50   child for this is like people going ok [TS]

01:12:52   that's enough with the free sampling [TS]

01:12:55   like you oh that's exactly right we need [TS]

01:12:57   to clamp down I think you could not get [TS]

01:12:59   three feet high and rising for a while [TS]

01:13:01   because stealing it was all fuck you and [TS]

01:13:03   maybe understandably but they finally [TS]

01:13:05   had to come up with some way of you know [TS]

01:13:08   they had to go street-legal with this [TS]

01:13:10   and there was no longer the wild west of [TS]

01:13:12   just being able to take you know any [TS]

01:13:14   change brown drum sample you want or you [TS]

01:13:16   know George Clinton understandably I [TS]

01:13:17   think I pretty up in arms about [TS]

01:13:18   to where he was selling if you could you [TS]

01:13:20   could basically by his stuff to sample [TS]

01:13:22   and I think that's still how it works [TS]

01:13:23   today but anyway i'm saying is there's a [TS]

01:13:25   few things you had the George W Bush era [TS]

01:13:27   fuck that you had all you said more and [TS]

01:13:29   more concerned about the PMRC type stuff [TS]

01:13:31   which was still you know this cancer all [TS]

01:13:34   the stuff with you remember all the [TS]

01:13:35   stuff with the with luther Campbell sure [TS]

01:13:38   I mean he was like public enemy number [TS]

01:13:39   one until i see came along [TS]

01:13:41   what well yeah I mean I steam very much [TS]

01:13:45   public enemy number one but I mean you [TS]

01:13:47   know I still consider him to be but i [TS]

01:13:50   don't know i think there's a lot of [TS]

01:13:51   stuff happening but then what's the next [TS]

01:13:52   big jump I don't like the way digital [TS]

01:13:54   underground of course digital [TS]

01:13:56   underground think about that like a baby [TS]

01:13:58   that was an incredible record real Peru [TS]

01:14:02   that stupid wish [TS]

01:14:04   I'm sure they're like Cupid these were [TS]

01:14:06   the domain nothing like to say goodbye [TS]

01:14:08   because you missed it i'm gonna have [TS]

01:14:10   said just grabbing the biscuit off it [TS]

01:14:12   hardware or 12 they might be giants are [TS]

01:14:15   our digital underground they might be [TS]

01:14:16   giants hip-hop shock g or or humpty-hump [TS]

01:14:20   not to help but think about thinking of [TS]

01:14:23   HUD think about Chucky and what he what [TS]

01:14:27   he was repin well that record that [TS]

01:14:29   record had lots of party hits it was fun [TS]

01:14:31   but also a lot they had some jungle [TS]

01:14:33   brothers style they had style [TS]

01:14:35   yeah i mean like there was there [TS]

01:14:37   something i don't know and i was like [TS]

01:14:38   general brothers didn't get the credit [TS]

01:14:39   they deserve [TS]

01:14:40   I thought they were a lot i mean there [TS]

01:14:42   was a time when they had their one [TS]

01:14:43   record that got a lot of play and then [TS]

01:14:45   was that because it was because of that [TS]

01:14:46   was just pre the rise of the DJ as the [TS]

01:14:49   the DJ / producer that words are that [TS]

01:14:53   sounds that were like collages had this [TS]

01:14:55   one song that I adored called good news [TS]

01:14:57   coming [TS]

01:14:58   that was just like a collage song of all [TS]

01:15:00   these great things over a beat with [TS]

01:15:01   these tribal sounds and gospel singing [TS]

01:15:03   and it wasn't a typical and it ends with [TS]

01:15:05   this kind of like township music South [TS]

01:15:07   African kind of like guitar part it's [TS]

01:15:08   got was still fighting for its [TS]

01:15:10   transcendent but like then what we get [TS]

01:15:13   we got house of pain like what what else [TS]

01:15:15   you got yes Jerry the law go straight to [TS]

01:15:18   the house of pain that that there was [TS]

01:15:22   that was the contemporaneous band with [TS]

01:15:26   house of pain that was like insane in [TS]

01:15:29   the membrane sure [TS]

01:15:30   the marijuana guys marijuana get bring [TS]

01:15:33   first when they called cypress hill [TS]

01:15:36   cypress hill and yes I personal record [TS]

01:15:39   that for cyber cell record was pretty [TS]

01:15:40   killer again that's its again that it [TS]

01:15:42   was right like i have to say the house [TS]

01:15:44   of pain like a dingaling band but great [TS]

01:15:47   production great sound great i wasn't [TS]

01:15:49   it's on [TS]

01:15:50   yes sir the great songs the video i get [TS]

01:15:54   punched in the nose remember that but it [TS]

01:15:56   didn't yeah that was that all that I [TS]

01:15:59   feel like what side of the in a way [TS]

01:16:02   cypress hill was much more [TS]

01:16:07   well then there's you know there's snoop [TS]

01:16:09   like when you put Smith yes see that I [TS]

01:16:11   was not involved it was the first would [TS]

01:16:12   hang 9393 my god 9300 see you came along [TS]

01:16:20   at Mouton that was that was they were [TS]

01:16:24   something else because of the one in [TS]

01:16:26   there what they were doing was so [TS]

01:16:26   familiar but so weird and the way that [TS]

01:16:29   they built this entire the devil's [TS]

01:16:31   world-building around the whole like [TS]

01:16:32   wu-tang thing I gotta go soon but we [TS]

01:16:36   should not talk about Alexander Hamilton [TS]

01:16:37   at some point world-building around the [TS]

01:16:39   wu-tang yeah that's yeah I feel like [TS]

01:16:42   that that's it doesn't Hamilton yet if [TS]

01:16:44   that isn't your master's thesis than I [TS]

01:16:46   get a colon after that world-building [TS]

01:16:49   colon around the world tank thing we're [TS]

01:16:53   driving around yesterday in the pin hole [TS]

01:16:55   families driving around listen Alexander [TS]

01:16:56   Hamilton I was just like this is one of [TS]

01:16:58   those things that comes along every few [TS]

01:16:59   years we're like on the one hand I can't [TS]

01:17:02   believe this didn't happen before now [TS]

01:17:04   but the fact that it did is like it's [TS]

01:17:06   still so miraculous like what you [TS]

01:17:08   watchin you Beyonce video [TS]

01:17:10   yeah shes black saw that last night [TS]

01:17:14   wasn't funny had any meal and I was so [TS]

01:17:17   well done [TS]

01:17:18   I you know I have not been uh I'm not [TS]

01:17:21   been around we I you know as much as I [TS]

01:17:24   don't want to talk about Hamilton with [TS]

01:17:26   you right now [TS]

01:17:27   no I don't either so it's over talk but [TS]

01:17:29   I mean I was ready to just stop the [TS]

01:17:30   whole thing but now i'm just walking [TS]

01:17:32   around going on not throwing away my [TS]

01:17:34   shot I'm just I'm just idea had no idea [TS]

01:17:36   this would sink in this fast [TS]

01:17:37   mhm anyway good hip-hop [TS]

01:17:41   I know not hip-hop i feel i feel [TS]

01:17:44   somewhat under the obligation to to to [TS]

01:17:48   actually fill you in with some news [TS]

01:17:51   oh my goodness but i don't know you know [TS]

01:17:54   it's it's it's a rough transition we [TS]

01:17:56   don't normally do this in the sense that [TS]

01:17:59   i don't normally have anything in mind [TS]

01:18:01   and I just talked to you on the phone [TS]

01:18:04   about just wanted two on-the-record [TS]

01:18:06   speaking on the record in about an hour [TS]

01:18:08   i have to record a podcast about Top [TS]

01:18:09   Chef well talk about my new cat but I [TS]

01:18:12   chef doing to show about Top Chef and [TS]

01:18:15   how are you going to slip your new cat [TS]

01:18:17   into a show about Top Chef every week I [TS]

01:18:19   try to find a way to make the show less [TS]

01:18:21   about the television program and more [TS]

01:18:23   about almost anything else I got heat [TS]

01:18:25   when you do you have a podcast about Top [TS]

01:18:27   Chef is called top scallops who is this [TS]

01:18:30   the thing that has been going on for a [TS]

01:18:31   long time it's only 10 episode yeah [TS]

01:18:33   oh i see well so it's new i got [TS]

01:18:38   something you can do in half an hour i'm [TS]

01:18:39   ready i wouldn't have heard about it [TS]

01:18:41   well so so as I said right I don't would [TS]

01:18:46   never heard about it [TS]

01:18:47   yeah post every time you flush the John [TS]

01:18:50   you put the picture on Instagram you [TS]

01:18:52   wouldn't know that I've got a new [TS]

01:18:53   podcast really well I don't know do you [TS]

01:18:55   have an Instagram that's kind of where [TS]

01:18:57   I'm putting a lot of my energy now [TS]

01:18:59   hmm to get yours isn't John news from [TS]

01:19:02   John you're still on flickr that you're [TS]

01:19:03   still committed to the clicker I'm not [TS]

01:19:05   throwing away my shot [TS]

01:19:07   hey yo I'm like my country I'm young [TS]

01:19:09   scrappy and hungry and I'm not throwing [TS]

01:19:10   away my shot [TS]

01:19:12   30 you john-john what's up did it to get [TS]

01:19:15   news from John will you get the crew [TS]

01:19:18   final answer [TS]

01:19:20   I uh I recently I had some major [TS]

01:19:25   developments in the GM CRP front don't [TS]

01:19:29   know if you noticed but I hadn't been [TS]

01:19:30   asking i wanted to make sure it gelled [TS]

01:19:33   is that right you left it alone i left a [TS]

01:19:35   lot said leave it [TS]

01:19:36   yeah yeah I know but there but but a lot [TS]

01:19:39   of stuff has gone down about feel like I [TS]

01:19:41   could I feel like I could spend a half [TS]

01:19:43   an hour or more describing it but i [TS]

01:19:44   won't i just i know that there are a lot [TS]

01:19:47   of people who have been so who followed [TS]

01:19:50   along on that story and then everything [TS]

01:19:52   went radio silent when the gmcr be broke [TS]

01:19:55   down and was in Redding California [TS]

01:19:57   and I was trying to navigate the [TS]

01:19:59   complicated financial and social [TS]

01:20:02   arrangement January came and went [TS]

01:20:04   America was wondering yeah and then you [TS]

01:20:07   know it was there was there was all this [TS]

01:20:08   trouble with the people there at the at [TS]

01:20:10   the reading place where they were like [TS]

01:20:12   look we're good we got to fix this thing [TS]

01:20:13   if we don't fix it we're going to roll [TS]

01:20:15   it out of here and roll into a ravine [TS]

01:20:17   we're actually going to put on the [TS]

01:20:20   Cure's disintegration and roll it into a [TS]

01:20:22   ravine and that so i was very you know I [TS]

01:20:27   was very anxious about it i talked about [TS]

01:20:28   on this program there was a lot of there [TS]

01:20:31   was a lot of rigmarole on the Internet [TS]

01:20:32   where people were like let's just put up [TS]

01:20:34   a kickstarter and we're all going to [TS]

01:20:35   give you money and then you and I talked [TS]

01:20:36   about how that didn't feel right and [TS]

01:20:39   then I just left it right we were [TS]

01:20:41   talking about it because I didn't want [TS]

01:20:42   to talk about but when we last spoke [TS]

01:20:46   about it [TS]

01:20:47   where where were we and I said I [TS]

01:20:50   described the rescue mission and i don't [TS]

01:20:53   think so i think i think the way we left [TS]

01:20:55   it was you'd reach something like a date [TS]

01:20:56   aren't with the RV fixing guy to where [TS]

01:21:00   you would he was really wanting a [TS]

01:21:03   go/no-go from you that was hopefully ago [TS]

01:21:05   but it was sent to you from my unlike [TS]

01:21:07   was maybe gonna be a no go from you that [TS]

01:21:09   you had through january you know it if [TS]

01:21:13   it was a go then you have through [TS]

01:21:15   january but it was a no-go could get [TS]

01:21:16   ugly I think that's where we left it [TS]

01:21:17   right and but it was a thing where if it [TS]

01:21:20   was a go [TS]

01:21:21   I i had till the end of january but i [TS]

01:21:23   had to make the go/no-go decision [TS]

01:21:25   exactly exactly what I mean like yeah [TS]

01:21:27   easy it's not it's not a parking lot [TS]

01:21:28   kind of situation right well after that [TS]

01:21:31   shortly after that point the black list [TS]

01:21:36   truly activated itself in a way that we [TS]

01:21:42   could not do I could not imagine I don't [TS]

01:21:44   think is duplicatable duplicatable or [TS]

01:21:48   Duke little blue Duke little bit [TS]

01:21:50   deplorable wear a cast of black Lister's [TS]

01:21:58   spearheaded by the great great birch [TS]

01:22:02   whose grandfather worked at GMC during [TS]

01:22:06   the development of the RV whose [TS]

01:22:08   grandfather actually has a namesake [TS]

01:22:10   version of the gmcr [TS]

01:22:11   d birch haven named after him great [TS]

01:22:15   birch who is the dentist and swim with [TS]

01:22:19   we referred him and swim dentist [TS]

01:22:21   oh he's a younger guy he's sort of our [TS]

01:22:24   age successful dental practice and he [TS]

01:22:26   owns a birthday even his namesake great [TS]

01:22:31   birch said this is an intolerable [TS]

01:22:33   situation we need to solve this stranded [TS]

01:22:37   RV and at the moment I was like I don't [TS]

01:22:39   want to do a Kickstarter people want to [TS]

01:22:41   help me I don't you know I don't know [TS]

01:22:43   how to accept help from people i [TS]

01:22:45   certainly don't know how to accept money [TS]

01:22:46   from people great bird says listen I'm [TS]

01:22:52   in touch with the black list and here's [TS]

01:22:55   what we've got [TS]

01:22:56   there's a man named Jerry who owns a [TS]

01:23:02   barn in red bluff California 30 miles [TS]

01:23:06   south of redding who has said that he is [TS]

01:23:09   going to heat their is based in his barn [TS]

01:23:11   for your RV [TS]

01:23:12   wow so all we have to do is tell the [TS]

01:23:16   people in reading at the RV shop that [TS]

01:23:19   we're not going to put the it's going to [TS]

01:23:21   be an uncomfortable conversation but [TS]

01:23:22   we're not going to fix the transmission [TS]

01:23:23   we're going to patch it back together [TS]

01:23:26   filling with fluid and then nurse it [TS]

01:23:30   down to Red Bluff where we're going to [TS]

01:23:33   put it in the barn and get driving or [TS]

01:23:36   telling driving [TS]

01:23:37   whoa and at that point we're going to [TS]

01:23:41   solve this problem in the bar and I'm [TS]

01:23:44   like this is some fucking heavy ass [TS]

01:23:45   black black list shit then I didn't know [TS]

01:23:49   was I didn't know this was on the table [TS]

01:23:51   right like black list isn't just your [TS]

01:23:54   water pump goes out and somebody on [TS]

01:23:55   somebody in the neighborhood helps you [TS]

01:23:57   change it which is already amazing [TS]

01:23:59   that's the great Kelvin of eugene but [TS]

01:24:03   this is the great great birch and he's [TS]

01:24:04   saying I he went to the black list and [TS]

01:24:07   said yo black list and I think his [TS]

01:24:10   premise was that i was i was potentially [TS]

01:24:17   an ambassador of GMC RVs [TS]

01:24:20   and to leave me on the side of the road [TS]

01:24:23   was going to be bad for the whole [TS]

01:24:24   community [TS]

01:24:25   this may have this may have been the [TS]

01:24:27   pitch that he made I wasn't there so now [TS]

01:24:31   here's where it gets interesting [TS]

01:24:33   great birch says I'm going with my wife [TS]

01:24:35   on a road trip to Reno or tucson or [TS]

01:24:41   somewhere to meet up with our family and [TS]

01:24:44   take a boat down the Nile he said I'm [TS]

01:24:49   gonna be going through there if you can [TS]

01:24:51   get this thing filled with fluid and [TS]

01:24:55   pushed into the parking lot of all wheel [TS]

01:24:57   repair shop and reading i will drive it [TS]

01:25:01   to read love with my wife in the chase [TS]

01:25:05   car and I was like this is seriously [TS]

01:25:09   heavy this is heavy paying it forward [TS]

01:25:12   support action so great birch goes down [TS]

01:25:17   with his wife he gets in the RV [TS]

01:25:20   he says drives great or whatever he's [TS]

01:25:22   driving at 70 miles an hour down the [TS]

01:25:24   road he takes it to red bluff puts it in [TS]

01:25:27   Gary's barn this all happens this all [TS]

01:25:30   goes down I can't i was going to go down [TS]

01:25:32   there to do this mission with him but I [TS]

01:25:36   had I had a gig I had a places to be I [TS]

01:25:39   couldn't [TS]

01:25:40   I what I absolutely would have but I [TS]

01:25:43   could [TS]

01:25:43   wow so he goes and does this himself and [TS]

01:25:46   now here is where it gets bananas [TS]

01:25:48   because gary is this cool cat [TS]

01:25:54   he's got this big farm this big walnut [TS]

01:25:57   farm walnut tree farm out in red bluff [TS]

01:26:00   Greg calls Manny Manny as you recall is [TS]

01:26:07   the Beethoven of GM cr-v transmissions [TS]

01:26:10   who lives way up on the hill in San Jose [TS]

01:26:13   on 10 aces right Greg says Manny listen [TS]

01:26:20   we got to get a transmission into this [TS]

01:26:23   rig Manny rebuild the transmission which [TS]

01:26:27   he can do in eight hours apparently [TS]

01:26:29   throws it in the back of his truck and [TS]

01:26:32   drives from san jose de red bluff [TS]

01:26:35   so now we've got Gary we've got Greg and [TS]

01:26:39   we've got mainly all converging on this [TS]

01:26:41   barn and then a fourth guy from the [TS]

01:26:46   black list whose name I don't know but [TS]

01:26:48   it's got to be somewhere between Greg [TS]

01:26:49   Gary and Manny probably get Danny know [TS]

01:26:54   could be Danny m-maybe Chuck I don't I [TS]

01:26:56   I'm embarrassed announced that is [TS]

01:26:58   extraordinary this is this is like a [TS]

01:26:59   superhero stories is going beyond beyond [TS]

01:27:02   beyond and the four guys change the [TS]

01:27:06   transmission in Gary's barn and put a [TS]

01:27:12   bunch of other things in there you know [TS]

01:27:16   they what one of the get the fourth guy [TS]

01:27:18   whose name I can't remember invented [TS]

01:27:20   some little part that keeps your [TS]

01:27:22   dashboard from catching on fire [TS]

01:27:24   well how that he was like listen if you [TS]

01:27:26   don't put this part in there eventually [TS]

01:27:27   your dashboard is going to catch on fire [TS]

01:27:29   so here I'm adding this little part Gary [TS]

01:27:32   also invented some part for the GMC [TS]

01:27:34   although i think it's might be a robot [TS]

01:27:37   airbag system they didn't put it in but [TS]

01:27:40   so they do this work and it's a [TS]

01:27:42   situation where it's like four guys and [TS]

01:27:44   what they what do they want to do on a [TS]

01:27:45   Saturday well they want to go out and [TS]

01:27:47   you know they're like old hot rodders [TS]

01:27:49   they want to go out and work on their [TS]

01:27:50   car they wanted their like that picture [TS]

01:27:52   of the five kids in the in the unwashed [TS]

01:27:54   Levi's all all crowded into the engine [TS]

01:27:56   compartment of a 54 forward or whatever [TS]

01:27:59   that iconic photograph is where all you [TS]

01:28:02   see is their butts her so these four [TS]

01:28:05   guys are like yeah let's go fix this [TS]

01:28:07   truck that'll be fun and great birch and [TS]

01:28:11   Gary part of their motivation is they've [TS]

01:28:13   always wanted to see Manny replace the [TS]

01:28:15   transmission because he's the Beethoven [TS]

01:28:17   of GM cr-v transmissions so so this [TS]

01:28:22   Saturday comes and great birch is [TS]

01:28:24   sending me pictures from his phone of [TS]

01:28:26   like it should here's your RV we've got [TS]

01:28:29   the transmission out [TS]

01:28:30   oh here was the problem it was a your [TS]

01:28:32   main bearing failed [TS]

01:28:33   now here's the new transmission we're [TS]

01:28:35   putting it in ok it's in and then he [TS]

01:28:38   sends me a picture of the four guys [TS]

01:28:39   standing in front of my RV with their [TS]

01:28:41   arms around each other [TS]

01:28:42   and he's like to LA and then Greg virgin [TS]

01:28:45   is why I think spend the night in my RV [TS]

01:28:48   and then they get on they get on their [TS]

01:28:50   road trip head down to Reno or tucson [TS]

01:28:53   earth or whatever to go down the Nile [TS]

01:28:55   man he goes back to san jose and Gary [TS]

01:28:58   says i'll leave it in my barn as long as [TS]

01:29:00   you want so i went to maui as you do [TS]

01:29:07   came back bought a ticket I bought a [TS]

01:29:11   ticket to LA because tom chaplin from [TS]

01:29:14   keene is making a solo record i went [TS]

01:29:16   down to sing on it and then instead of [TS]

01:29:18   flying back to seattle i flew to [TS]

01:29:20   Sacramento got a car to Red Bluff met [TS]

01:29:27   Gary there was the RB started it up [TS]

01:29:29   drove it home just got back [TS]

01:29:36   day before yesterday with the you know I [TS]

01:29:41   spent spent the night in the RV a couple [TS]

01:29:42   of times but the night in the RV and [TS]

01:29:44   reading and went saw those guys again [TS]

01:29:46   they did a little bit of extra work on [TS]

01:29:48   it in the process of changing the [TS]

01:29:50   transmission the for master mechanics [TS]

01:29:53   one of them [TS]

01:29:54   whoever's responsibility was to hook up [TS]

01:29:56   the spark plugs forgot to connect one of [TS]

01:30:01   the spark plug so the engine was running [TS]

01:30:02   a little rough transmission was running [TS]

01:30:04   great so i went to reading and they did [TS]

01:30:06   a little bit extra work on it you know [TS]

01:30:08   because it's nice to throw three or four [TS]

01:30:10   hundred bucks at this thing every chance [TS]

01:30:11   you get and then I drove it North i [TS]

01:30:14   spent the night in Cottage Grove Oregon [TS]

01:30:16   and then a drug home and I stopped in [TS]

01:30:20   portland and my good friend Ben King the [TS]

01:30:23   architect that I met at XOXO festival [TS]

01:30:26   I'm very close to the end of this story [TS]

01:30:28   he came out and helped me adjust the [TS]

01:30:31   timing [TS]

01:30:32   Wow where he had a timing light and [TS]

01:30:35   we're looking at it we can't find the we [TS]

01:30:37   can't find the flywheel because the [TS]

01:30:39   engine compartment is so crammed and so [TS]

01:30:41   he was like you know what it means the [TS]

01:30:43   timing adjustment he just grabbed the [TS]

01:30:44   distributor kappa just turned 22 degrees [TS]

01:30:46   with reference to nothing he was just [TS]

01:30:48   like let's see what happens were and so [TS]

01:30:50   seeing as he missed an engineer [TS]

01:30:52   he's very mechanical he's an architect [TS]

01:30:53   but he had one of those fathers that was [TS]

01:30:55   like [TS]

01:30:56   hey let's go out and rebuild a-a-a like [TS]

01:31:00   a Bronco to this weekend i found a [TS]

01:31:02   Bronco to at a at a junkyard for a [TS]

01:31:04   hundred bucks you want to help me [TS]

01:31:05   rebuild the motor and so he and his son [TS]

01:31:08   a been King would go out into the [TS]

01:31:11   driveway and rebuild the motor on a [TS]

01:31:12   Bronco to like that was their idea of [TS]

01:31:14   fun it's the same kids with the levis in [TS]

01:31:16   their head inside the earth the hood of [TS]

01:31:19   the car just like let's turn a wrench [TS]

01:31:20   for fun something that seems to me like [TS]

01:31:23   let's build a Saturn five rocket for fun [TS]

01:31:25   but so he adjust the timing thing all of [TS]

01:31:28   a sudden runs better and then we're [TS]

01:31:30   sitting in been Kings backyard having [TS]

01:31:32   done this work and we're like Hello and [TS]

01:31:37   we go around the corner and here's this [TS]

01:31:39   this old guy 82 years old leave it on [TS]

01:31:43   the fence and he says I heard there was [TS]

01:31:46   gmcr be over here with the hood up and I [TS]

01:31:50   was like are you from the black list and [TS]

01:31:55   he said got all deep boys like yep [TS]

01:31:59   oh and i said how did you know and he [TS]

01:32:02   said somebody came over to the house and [TS]

01:32:04   said they drove by and there's a GMC [TS]

01:32:06   down here and so he comes back and he's [TS]

01:32:10   some 85 year old guy that worked in [TS]

01:32:11   television back in the day and had all [TS]

01:32:14   these stories about driving his GMC RV [TS]

01:32:16   across the country and i realized that i [TS]

01:32:20   have joined this insane network that's [TS]

01:32:24   kind of like Specter right where their [TS]

01:32:29   logo should be an octopus and instead of [TS]

01:32:33   being a bunch of 35 year-old assassins [TS]

01:32:36   they are a national network of very [TS]

01:32:39   quiet [TS]

01:32:40   eighty-five-year-old assassins I think I [TS]

01:32:42   think you've you from the answer to a [TS]

01:32:45   lot of questions John I have no idea [TS]

01:32:47   what's going on your you have found your [TS]

01:32:49   secret society [TS]

01:32:50   I'm easyriders your seal team six except [TS]

01:32:52   everybody's 80 yeah you drive into a [TS]

01:32:54   town you park your thing on the side of [TS]

01:32:56   the road [TS]

01:32:57   put your flashers on and it's like a [TS]

01:32:59   beacon call it's like the bat signal [TS]

01:33:02   suddenly you're surrounded by former [TS]

01:33:04   NASA engineers who are like I've got a [TS]

01:33:07   story you ever hear about the USS [TS]

01:33:09   Lexington and then and there like I [TS]

01:33:12   invented a part for the GMC and it keeps [TS]

01:33:14   your keep your wheels from catching on [TS]

01:33:16   fire here let me install it because [TS]

01:33:19   that's what i think is fun to do and and [TS]

01:33:21   so great birch back and swim [TS]

01:33:24   Gary's back in red bluff Manny's back in [TS]

01:33:26   san jose i'm back in seattle the circle [TS]

01:33:30   is complete the GMC is like in the game [TS]

01:33:35   again and i have a and I have a debt of [TS]

01:33:39   gratitude to like 40 guys and I feel a [TS]

01:33:44   renewed debt of gratitude to like like a [TS]

01:33:49   generation so I'm my head is still [TS]

01:33:54   spinning I don't blame you i mean but [TS]

01:33:57   it's also interesting inflection point [TS]

01:33:59   because has there ever been a greater [TS]

01:34:01   you know i mean in terms of like this it [TS]

01:34:05   seems like a virtually impossible [TS]

01:34:06   situation not too long if not impossible [TS]

01:34:08   at least very very costly and [TS]

01:34:10   time-consuming and now not only are you [TS]

01:34:12   better than when you started [TS]

01:34:13   but now now the question is like how [TS]

01:34:16   deep you go in this word he uses as just [TS]

01:34:19   to sell the thing in get your get your [TS]

01:34:21   money back [TS]

01:34:22   no no I think I'm i think i did what had [TS]

01:34:24   to be asked [TS]

01:34:25   oh yeah I can't get out of this now I'm [TS]

01:34:27   i have to go deeper and deep like i'm in [TS]

01:34:30   i'm in the front door other thing that [TS]

01:34:35   potentially is bottomless [TS]

01:34:37   this could you have it in you to pay it [TS]

01:34:39   forward back to blacklist people [TS]

01:34:41   this could be the dark web right mhm [TS]

01:34:44   which which you can best visualized as [TS]

01:34:48   an iceberg where Google is at the top [TS]

01:34:51   and something else is at the bottom but [TS]

01:34:56   that the thing what this is teaching me [TS]

01:34:58   is I can never repay this debt simply by [TS]

01:35:01   paying it forward within the blacklist [TS]

01:35:04   community because I'm not a NASA [TS]

01:35:06   engineer i can i can continue to enjoy [TS]

01:35:10   my GMC RV and if other people find that [TS]

01:35:14   that is enjoyable to watch [TS]

01:35:15   watch and participate in vicariously and [TS]

01:35:17   that inspires them to themselves by GMC [TS]

01:35:20   RVs and join me in my great trip across [TS]

01:35:22   america and through the crazy tour of [TS]

01:35:27   colds right um then please by all means [TS]

01:35:31   join me and buy your own GMC SUV and [TS]

01:35:34   find as i have this this miracle [TS]

01:35:38   community of of of weirdos but I now [TS]

01:35:42   have a responsibility to pay it forward [TS]

01:35:44   even outside the GMC community right I i [TS]

01:35:48   have now learned the power of paying it [TS]

01:35:50   forward and so I don't you know whatever [TS]

01:35:53   my particular skill is and maybe it is [TS]

01:35:56   guesting on people's dumb podcasts or [TS]

01:35:58   maybe it is getting gigs for small bands [TS]

01:36:02   in debt and that is not it so do not [TS]

01:36:04   send me any tweets about will not get [TS]

01:36:07   your stupid band giggles you're still [TS]

01:36:09   gonna need some time to process this but [TS]

01:36:10   I need to find a way to pan and yes [TS]

01:36:12   Merlin I need to I need to pay it [TS]

01:36:14   forward within my own sphere of [TS]

01:36:16   influence [TS]

01:36:17   whilst also paying it back to the GM [TS]

01:36:21   cr-v community which has taught me so [TS]

01:36:24   much I feel like I've been to the [TS]

01:36:27   mountain it's gonna be super interesting [TS]

01:36:29   well i don't know I maybe what I should [TS]

01:36:31   do is but so i have this inside that i [TS]

01:36:33   should buy all the remaining GMC rvs her [TS]

01:36:36   and convert them to and put tesla motors [TS]

01:36:39   in them and convert them to electric [TS]

01:36:42   future vans be quite a project [TS]

01:36:46   I mean it would be well I'd have to [TS]

01:36:47   retool my factory but uh who I've been [TS]

01:36:52   meaning to retool my factory [TS]

01:36:55   holy shit [TS]