Roderick on the Line

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00:00:25 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► to start popping pop Baby Bop and Bop [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► ball popularity but why can't they see [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► they're just like me [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► it's just say it's the same in the whole [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► wide world [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► papi papi papi papi papi will be where [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► we ever got that all john william I you [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► been secretly goth right that's so [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► knowing no not at all [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► never not at all nothing you're always [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► been dipped into so many subcultures to [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► seem like you must have gotten into a [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► little bit of God's at some point hmm no [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► hmm no i am not at all gods have never [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► been gone but i have to say i left a i [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► left a recording session open on my [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► computer and when i logged onto this [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► program which is what i do i I had the [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► most amazing echo on my voice and I [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► would just went through the different [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► levels of my computer as you do [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► uh-huh and i found an open recording [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► track where there is some bass reduction [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► some chorus and some echo plus some [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► reverb and a little bit of EQ on my [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► voice today and it's got like neil [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► hamburger meat my blade Valentine it [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► sounded like sounds like I'm in a Greek [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► temple underwater in the future and so [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► when we started going bop Boop bop I was [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► fucking jamming on it I was really I [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► wish we were still doing it now mansion [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► you know if you want I could put some [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► chamber reverb on the whole track entire [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► I've had lots the whole nine if [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► everybody could hear what I'm hearing [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► right now [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► no I'm going to turn it off oh man it's [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► very distracting the CD confidence John [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you can't hear [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► I know it's very distracting it's kind [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► of like when you used to get on a phone [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► call and there would be that that crazy [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► delay I like a little bit like a slap [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► it's just that means just a little too [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► much slapback and it's distracting did [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► you need a minute to take care of that [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► now i'm going to do that writing that [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► ministry song if you want i'm going to [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► save [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► save this file up Monica gone [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► hooray for me up but I know how to use [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► computers boy [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► no I was never gone because I'm [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► ridiculous [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► I don't know a lot of people were gone [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► there right there are certain things [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► that I feel like it are generational [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► things that are just that I'm just like [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► two years too old for a brother you know [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► like send me the story of my life [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► brother [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► yeah if you were if you graduated in the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► class of 1988 that meant that in [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► nineteen eighty-four you were just young [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► enough to feel like God was a reasonable [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► choice you might you know get somewhat [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► cocteau twins you get some dead can [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► dance you get some what's the bauhaus [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► bauhaus sounds bauhaus was you know [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► there's a lot of those bands they got [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► lumped in that were actually pretty good [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► bauhaus very good love and rockets very [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► good love rocks there pop and they you [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► know they were gothy but they were they [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► were so popular like for a long time I [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► issued echo and the bunnymen because I [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► thought erroneously that they were a god [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► bandido the cure i was like listen to [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► music like that and then actually listen [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► to it was like this is amazing pop music [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► well so the Cure course being the being [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► the incredible example of a band that is [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► so extraordinary that they transcend all [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► genre but when i was first introduced to [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the cure it was i was introduced to them [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► via their pop hits which I didn't like [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► the other there [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► I mean you know they have some some [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► really great pop songs now that we're [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► finally late eighties but the the stuff [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► I know what it is for me this is one [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► where thank God for greatest hits [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► I heard a little bit cure i think i had [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► head on the door and then I got the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► standing on a beach [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► I got the cassette version goals they [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► were all different but yes but I mean [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► like each song was better than the last [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► they were in probably great pop songs [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► you haven't liked loved cats or whatever [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► haha stations are it's a great song but [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► I could take it or leave it right it was [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► kind of like the more of a hanging God [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► kind of guy [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► well what what happened to me was I got [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► someone dropped the entire aisle [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► disintegration on me and disintegration [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► happened already at a point where I was [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► like have a cure the guys get funny [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► harry wears eyeliner he's got these love [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► cats songs you know [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► yeah I'm well I'm still listening to [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that first Iron Maiden record right and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► I was a weird time [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► yeah and I don't need all this like [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► whole pop bleep but then a [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► disintegration landed on me and I feel [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► like that is an album physical it's one [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► of those Complete Works you do not take [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► a song off of that and listen to it [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► separately it is just you put it on and [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► you drive all night until you are so [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► hypnotise arrive later than I thought [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► that's 1989 that came and that's right [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► she's Louise that is a record that has [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► probably killed people right because [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► they are driven off the road in the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► night they have gone down into a ravine [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and as they fell into the ravine they [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► were not sorry because their death was [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► as dramatic as the music they were [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► listening don't think it hadn't gone [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► through my mind [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► sure I mean is the time music to like [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► when i arrived at somebody's house based [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► I figure out what song I wanted to be [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► playing when I pulled into someone's [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► driveway let alone how I want to die on [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► a road I hear a lot of people tell me [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that eat that both the commander thinks [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► aloud and also our song our long winter [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► song blanket hog mls big guy gets big at [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the end they put those songs on when [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that when the captain says please fasten [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► your seatbelts were on final approach [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► they put those songs on their headphones [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► because they they want to ride that wave [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► if the plane is going down they want [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► that to be happening and they break the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► glass on the special ipod to carry [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► around it just has those two songs on a [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► cute up though I totally relate to that [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and the Cure's disintegration and my [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► bloody Valentine's Lovelace were always [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► the records that i put on when I was the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► only one awake and i was driving the van [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► through the night [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► oh yeah both of them terrible records [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► for that because who you're exhausted at [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► that point everyone else is asleep no [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► one's there to keep you alive [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► well it's NBD man you might just start [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► hallucinating while the records you [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► absolutely do and so you can get a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► sensory deprivation thing it's like what [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► is that noise where is that coming from [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► what is happening in your brain is gonna [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► try to fill in like [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► between in all these are all details to [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► help you understand what you want the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► assault on your ears [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► that's right and so you're seeing the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the glowing the glowing eyeballs of [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► little deer that are waiting on the side [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► of the road to jump out re are you just [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► like I am with you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► world i'm flying and you know swerve [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► driver I mean there were a lot of there [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► were a lot of bands that were in that [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► zone but i just picked those two records [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► for if i wanted something that had a lot [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► of sound [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► yeah you know the shootings bands were [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► weird for me because like goth stuff it [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► was something I felt very comfortable [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► writing off unfairly perhaps but none [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► right i would write off basically the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► entire genre except for a handful of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► utterly amazing bands i just as a genre [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► it seems like so such a nothing burger [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► but then you know MTV and maybe a ride [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► like there are a couple of those bands [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► like there's a lot going on this was the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► problem with the stone roses for me i [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► had this conversation literally this [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► week [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► you're cuter scott simpson I had the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► stones are you ready for this kind of [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► John interrupt you but continued quick [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► anecdote go go in there and long story [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► short the bartender at this place where [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► Scott an IRA he's wearing a unknown [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► pleasures shirt so of course I feel the [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► need to discuss with joy division with [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► him at length we end up talking about 24 [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► hour party people [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► one of the great films of our time right [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and how like the first half of that [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► movie I i double triple love the second [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► half never got into happy mondays [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► it's not like i never got into the Happy [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► Mondays well makers wild roses [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► sorry to interrupt yeah and this is [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► going to infuriate our English friends [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► but happy mondays were garbage are [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► terrible band they're awfully not [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► nothing they did was good they have the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► dancing guy and then there's always I [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► was as they say the rubbish it was [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► rubbish and then I you know I said scott [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► was like yeah I could never get into a [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► lot of that Scott's like yeah you know [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► even start like Stone Roses though they [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► had two songs I like they had she bangs [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► the drum and what's the one I don't have [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► to save my soul fool's gold [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► yeah the first song LOL in death by [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► three songs my hand of God we're having [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► this conversation and guess what comes [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► on stereo dundun dundun 22 xubuntu too [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► students who dude I don't huh [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► the cell so and I was like wait a minute [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► i'm literally loosening right-hander [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► this song in three years and it just [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► came on you guys manifest that what we [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► conjugate country like an orb that's [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► what my sister would say you manifested [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► it I should talk to her she probably [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► helped me a lot usually she's all about [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► manifesting very positive the stone [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► roses are are the other thing where [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you're like to introduce the rule if [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► this song if this was like the smiths [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► for me Frank if this is negative is [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► indicative of the quality of their [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► catalogs and I have found my new [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► favorite band and then you dig in stop [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► there and and you're like some girl's [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► mother mother and you're like I made a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► mistake i made a little more fun and [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► happy he's having that on the room [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► he's taking the Mickey I'm turning the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► lights off Jesus Christ John i'll leave [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► the stereo on in case any excuse the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► cats 10 they get lonely during the day [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► there is a light and it never goes out [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► there is a felony that only has to know [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► it's only got four nodes stone the stone [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► roses were one of these like oh my god [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► this song I mean I always felt that they [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► kind of reintroduce the idea of that to [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► get a packet to the package driver was [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► awesome dance beat and then there's like [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► this pop tune of the top I was like this [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► is transforming me and the nothing else [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► rose to the level of those first two but [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I mean like okay so it's not like i said [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► to Scott just this previous wednesday [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► night I said you know for me [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► we look at the Manchester scene and all [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the like that the dancing stuff that [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► happened in the nineties and I honestly [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► thought happy mondays was some kind of a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► trap Street because he's so people we [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► unlike a man i must be missing something [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► other gaslighting you the entire culture [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► there's nobody to actually like this [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► band who would put this record on [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► deliberately so I'm gonna I'm gonna go [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► with I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► a couple songs from stores and i'm going [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► to say primal screen [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► normal screen was pretty great scheme [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► was great you're absolutely right but [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► but I mean all of that stuff I the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► groove is in the heart do [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► doo-doo-doot-doot doot-doo live like to [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► do if your time I dance music or any [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► kind of like fun party music or take [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► ecstasy and dance on the beach in goa [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► music that says new order for me [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► uh well sure but like but like uh I'm [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► talking about post-1990 rightmost 1991 [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that when that thing was happening with [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► all the glow sticks and shit [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► yeah they called the rave culture the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► rave culture you know have a little have [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► a little funk have a little funk to it [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► sure but here's here's you want to you [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► want to just go out and hire bootsy [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► collins that'll help you want to talk [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► about a controversial opinion a boy I [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► make yourself sir go ahead controversial [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► opinions [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► hmm i feel this way and I'm embarrassed [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► I'm still ashamed about this feeling [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► like I'm not ashamed about feeling the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► way I do about the cure [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► I'm sorry I'm sorry the Smiths oh [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► because Smith she's the way people feel [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► about the smiths I want them to stop [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► feeling that way it's not that I want [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► them to stop feeling that way about the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► Smith I think this is because you and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► Shaun have a lot of unresolved shit and [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► you take it out on the smiths this [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► happened to me that this was true of me [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► in 1984 I felt this way about the smiths [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► doesn't deserve it is a put-on meat is [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► murder because I because I loved the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► cover [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► yeah a little-little over 800 right [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► loved the deal right the Smith look he's [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► at he he he's asexual and their album [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► covers are cool cool these beautiful but [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► a bit that even the logo you know that [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► the typeface yes I'll go everything [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► about it just seems timeless the guitar [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► players so amazing and i was like i'm [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► gonna do this I'm gonna get new wave i'm [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► going to go for it and I don't need to [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► just be listening to you know Marc Bolan [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► or whatever i'm ready from and I put it [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► on and it made me so angry I was so [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► angry that you would put all this tip [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that I felt like the happy mondays like [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► what are you people talking about and [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► then Emma how can you even put them in [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► the same way I shouldn't be on the same [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► cotton and how come home and were there [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► not only from the moment they're from [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like within 600 miles [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► each other no they are practicing the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► same neighborhood and their brother off [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► the boat from Manchester I think Chester [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► well yeah right okay you know what I can [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► adjust your geography basically comes [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► down to like everything in 24 hour party [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► people that's what I know [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► yeah everything from leads to permanent [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► bobby was a salford lad but uh but I [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► hate you so mad and then and then all [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the hero worship and all like falling [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► and the falling over and i was just like [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► there's no this is an emperor has no [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► clothes situation there's nothing here [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► just can't imagine you're talking about [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► having Monday's whenever you talk about [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► this message and so it continued into [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► adulthood [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► I thought this was one of those things [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► where everybody in the eighties was [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► having a collective delusion and then [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► there would be this moment of reckoning [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► where it was like like Timbuk 3 if you [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► were still really in book 3 i like that [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► song she did we thought there was an [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► afternoon in what 1988 where we all [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► liked it and then we moved on but that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► isn't the case and colin Meloy and John [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► Nelson and you you guys have all just [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► bored the shit out of me talking about [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► the smiths there's I 33 and a third book [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► it just it feels like it you know what [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► is it feels like that 33 and a third [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► culture it's like blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► that's like people who are on Iran on an [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► ironic Lee into pro wrestling [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► yes thank you exactly and I said [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► something like I am I spent the fucking [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► shit about the smiths the other day and [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► you know our good friends from the new [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► pornographers [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► uh-huh oh god you guys get a room [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► publicly took me on and said I said [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► anyone that doesn't like the smiths is [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► uh is like a garbage person [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah you know that David all of his [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► tweets in many years and and I said you [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► know what first of all garbage person is [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► not a thing we use anymore that's you [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► know that's really from a different time [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► well it is and it's very--it's normative [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► against garbage people and I just I feel [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► like first of all let's stop doing that [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► it's one of those words like gypsy or [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► mathlete you know we just gotta stop [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► saying it [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► that's right good no we're not you know [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► I'm looking out the window right now and [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► a BMW just pulled into the parking lot [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and did that thing where he parked [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► completely across two parking spots like [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► like the line is running straight down [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the middle of his car parked it and I [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► was like are you are you got to battle [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► traffic jams and Happy Mondays and then [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► turn just turn the car off turn the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► lights off and just [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► fuck that guy i'm so mad right now but [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► but here's here's my controversial [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► opinion this is gonna make people very [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► mad [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► ok but except that nobody except nobody [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► and you know our audience is actually 24 [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► years old they have no idea what you [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► don't know these bands are but again [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► everything is streaming whatever people [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► give them the stream it yeah they stream [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► it just streaming well what's the matter [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► stream [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► yeah it's like Tom Petty right up [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► against some dollars a month to get [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► stream from Marilyn Monroe and then you [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► know and then it's like the commercial [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► fortuna it's like that directv Robert [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► everything that you see in certain bars [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► where it's like Bob Marley is sitting [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► with james dean around a pool table with [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► some cats and it's painted in velvet [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► they're all smoking cigars [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that's what contemporary and I go for [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► three Ball corner pocket [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► no I feel that way about the second [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► delic first oh yeah [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► Psychedelic Furs have if they have five [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► outstanding there for outsiders a [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► world-beating songs i was going to say [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► for four songs that just make you that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► make you fall to your knees and cry out [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► original original pretty in pink [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► you've got love my way you've got don't [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► know don't know you've got of the ghost [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► in you the greatest Austin you oh my god [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► you've heard Robyn Hitchcock cover that [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► I can't you know I've heard Robyn [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► Hitchcock cover 450 songs and that was [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► all in the first night I met him at all [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► so I'm not sure I can't say for sure [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that I pray you're right you're right [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► their records me taken to another band [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► listen to on cassettes at the same time [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the cars like the cars [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► I mean Jesus Christ for the first four [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► or so carves cars albums they had six [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► really good songs on her rocker / record [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► i mean the first record is an anomaly [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► the first record is like I would even [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► put that it's just one of those complete [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► works it's like rumors [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah I know every someone here and [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► they're all good and I don't skip them [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► well and so the but the psychedelic furs [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► are like are like a like a music critic [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► favorite [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► yeah but they have the I mean they're [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► just one song better than a flock of [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► seagulls [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► right like flock of seagulls have two [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► incredible tune Iran in space age love [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► song [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► no not space lobster ok that's the third [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► I was falling in love it's about that's [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► the third if I had a photograph of you [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► something to remind me [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► yes that's a good song amazing tune so [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► so we we mock flock of seagulls what [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► they have they have two and a half left [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► for school never saw lodge [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► let's go digits that true opening for [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the go-go's my fucking god [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► yeah 1982 or answer he is you saw them [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► live let alone that was the first you [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► know it's the first band is all I was [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► fucking Dokken I said was a the go-go's [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► on their vacation to her vacation i'll [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► ever wanted chainwheel is our life stop [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► it stop it you're telling me Jane [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► Wiedlin she's just up there playing [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► guitar with a normal thing I know I know [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► what your babydoll dress and a Chance of [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► some kind of frilly panties sexy I think [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► she had like a little flouncy skirt and [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► she would hop when she played you're [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► destroying me and you none of these [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► people came to Alaska they didn't even [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► know Alaska was an american states but [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► so yeah so I mean I was listening to [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► some flock of seagulls the other day [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► because I think they are good but the I [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► think the ultimate example of this is in [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► excess over the course of their career [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► they had no fewer than ten great songs [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► they had a lot of really good song but [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► it's not the ones that people remember [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► what you need is not a great song [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► now wait a minute no bow out [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► no no that's what I'm gonna go on with [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► that dream on backpage my girl what's [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► that song called remember that song yeah [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► it's called the webwork but like girl [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► space specialist a love song and they [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► also got that one this time we'll be [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► landing the big hits off of those first [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► records we just don't remember them that [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► we don't remember those first records [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► what about the one thing like the one [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► thing I like out solutions ah here's the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► point of I remember this here's the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► thing i like every INXS single until [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► kick and then it kick they did a little [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► bit of the UH they did a little bit of [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► the def leppard adrenal eyes they think [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► they're like an AI that became just [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► slightly self-aware it to too self-aware [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► right that like kicks [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► kick was their biggest record by a [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► thousand points just like Def Leppard's [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► adrenal eyes just like Van Halen's 94 [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► and it was when they jump the shark boy [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► you know it'sit's I'm so reluctant to [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► put it in terms that dumb and simple and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► unfair but it's true it's true those are [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► junk that's a jump the shark fucking [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► album its next maybe 40 what well and [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► legendary for was good but you know what [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► was the one after that was Sammy Hagar [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► that's the 150 150 but that just made me [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► fucking angry was fucking garbage and [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► and wall out bounced out and we got what [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► it takes and tell me why i have it [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► reveal oh I was at the Tastee Freez dots [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► and know that you're inside the textfree [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► i was in the Tastee Freez I was not [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► something a chili dog i have never done [TS]

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00:23:14 ◼   ► analyze I wouldn't I wouldn't suck on a [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► hot dog for all the tea in China you [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► don't want that i want to eat that and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► and forget that it's that sir is [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► everything alright with your meal [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► you don't suck on hot water but i know i [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► was inside the tastemakers i'm sure i [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► was playing Dig Dug uh-huh and chris [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► gill showed up now Chris kills lived a [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► couple doors down from me Chris skills [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► was not a it wasn't the tallest kid but [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► crystals was a good skier who's better [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► skier than I was and he was very cool he [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► was much much cooler than me and my best [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► friend Kevin Horning went through a [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► phase early on in high school where [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Kevin wanted to hang out with Chris [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► kills crystals was too cool to hang out [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► with me [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► so what that meant was that Kevin was [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► hanging out with chris and not with me [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► right i did not get all I did not get [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► invited along to the crystals party [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► dance gotta reach chris was like always [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► kind of he found me a little [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► contemptible but he was you know he was [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► friendly enough but it was one of those [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► scenes where I would you know we'd be [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► sitting around and i would say something [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► funny and everybody like haha yeah [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► Roderick funny and then I would take it [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► too far and I'd say the next thing and [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► crystals was the one that was like a ya [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► NE that I know that phenomenon to its [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it's like you just got like a be ob- [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► laughs and then you completely undid all [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► of your work with the one joke too much [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► too much and then everybody minute f- [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► they all turned their backs on you and [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► you know kevin was my best friend right [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► so he didn't turn his back on me he [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► wanted me to [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► he wanted me to make it he wanted me to [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► make it over here on the other side [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► where the cool kids were but I just [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► couldn't do it [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► I couldn't put it together it's not that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I want didn't want to I just couldn't [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► put it together and Chris kills for me [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► everybody's got a guy that personifies [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► that Christie was the guy for me and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► even now I mean chris has lost all his [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► hair but he lives in the Bahamas on a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► sailboat or something like chris is [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► still he's I don't know how he pulls it [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► off you look at his facebook page and [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► there's a picture of him in the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► Himalayas but he's not riding a camel [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► he's not being a dummy [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► he's just there because he's got some [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► business to do there and then he's going [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► back he's living on his sailboat [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► somewhere in the Bahamas he drives a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► powder-blue like 72 oldsmobile like what [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► is going on with this guy [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► this isn't what you would expect but [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► anyway so I'm playing dig dug at the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► Tastee freeze Chris gills for some [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► reason offers me a ride and crystals dad [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► was the first guy to get one of those a [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► ford thunderbirds that looks like a [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► lozenge [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► yeah and I ibuprofen and Chris kills his [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► dad was a doctor he was the kind he had [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► a nakamichi stereo us we're not going to [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► stereo where it popped the tape out and [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► flipped it around who mechanically and [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► then popped it back in so that you [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► didn't get the the slight distortion of [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► a tape being played backwards yeah so [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► true audiophiles look for a cassette [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► deck that can do something like that can [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► pop it out right sure but think about [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► the think about the magazine [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► advertisement for the nakamichi tape [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► deck that popped it out and flipped it [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► over [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► it's hilarious at the time it seemed [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► impossibly modern and now it feels like [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► something from the flintstones I mean [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► it's ok it's a living i remember [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► watching remember it wasn't something [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► that I that you watched it was something [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that you read in magazines if you saw [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that nakamichi tape deck add you knew [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you were reading the right man [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► you seen yes they would only advertising [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► the cool magazine so Chris Chris Chris [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► Cole's dad he was supposed to buy a BMW [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► 740i but instead he bought this for this [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► Lawson judged lozenge-shaped forward and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► that was a symbol to me at least of how [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► cool that Thunderbird was crystals dad [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► will you drop those things are so dated [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► oh yeah I know but at the time i was [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► very modern very forward so Christians [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► picks me up like says hey you need a [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► ride and I'm like crystals is offering [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► me a ride what's going on is this some [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► kind of thing where he's going to take [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► me out and like pants me somewhere and [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► we're riding and we're just being cool [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► we're just chillin with each other and [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► I'm I'm nervous right because because [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► i'm going to say was something funny and [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► he's gonna be like here at Roderick yeah [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► and then I'm gonna take it too far i'm [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► gonna say something funny and he's gonna [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► think to himself it was a mistake to [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► give John Rocker ride but this is this [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► moment maybe I'm maybe this is the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► beginning of something right you got it [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► but you're but you're you you're in that [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► mode right you're in that mode [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► yeah and then we're driving along and [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► chris says did you hear van Halen pick [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► the new singer I was like what [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► no really they're gonna keep going and [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► he was like yeah they've been looking [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► for a new singer they just pick somebody [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► and I was like who and he said Sammy [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► Hagar and I knew I mean that appalled me [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► right because yeah Sammy Hagar had a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► really good song on the heavy metal [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► soundtrack same behavior has had at [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► least four extremely good songs but even [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► by that point even the album that of his [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► that I liked know the other is a [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► lightbox well throughout box is great [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► but I think I can't drive 55 is that the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► one that had your love is driving me [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that's a pretty powerful pop songs [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► anyway by even by that point he was he [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► was just he was excruciating to just [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► even be aware of the red rocker you know [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► what's going on around two shows that [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► little wireless Mike climbing things [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► no thank you right and he was like a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► capuchin monkey in a wig [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► except that it's a one-way ticket to [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► midnight call it heavy metal hitting [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► metal whoo that was a kick-ass lawyer I [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► mean that was like that was a song that [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that early billy squier cut it on sure [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► but anyway Chris kill says Sammy Hagar's [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the new singer for van Halen that's the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► news he never want to hear and but it's [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► like finding out your your your mom [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► married your guidance counselor in the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► context of this car ride it was [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► fantastic news because I now had [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► something that I hated just naturally [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► hated so much and chris and i could tell [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► the crew skills naturally hated it and [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► it was like we were brothers now we had [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► something to hate together that was so [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► hateful sammy hagar in van Halen that [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► the entire rest of the last 30 years and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► still bothers me yeah the entire rest of [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the right we're like haha [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► can you believe it oh my god and then he [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► dropped me off at my house and I was [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► like wow [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► see you later Chris it was like right on [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► see you later Roderick and then of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► course I never saw him again right on he [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► never wrote in his car could you but you [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► you know that you you did what you [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► needed to do that day [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► that's right I got out of there i made [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► some jokes about sammy hagar van Halen I [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► think we do I don't think we came up [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► with van Hagar somebody else came up [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► yeah but we we definitely had we had a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► good time and I'll I'll always be [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► grateful to then Hagar for giving me [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► that that afternoon with Chris kills but [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► all uh don't go don't do it don't do it [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► don't write you cannot you don't go back [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► to the smiths I'm done I'm done [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► ian mcculloch who of echo and the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► bunnymen won't you call em on down to LA [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► in the risk you in the early nineties [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► let's say early-to-mid [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► Andy's he did he went around [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► he went around on a tour a solo tour or [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► something where he was playing really [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► small clubs you played the crocodile [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► cafe here like you know 300 capacity and [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► it had about 80 people in it and all 80 [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► people were girls he was he was gorgeous [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► he was very pretty and and I was at the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► show and he had this he helped this is a [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► tea person audience completely captive [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► and after the show was one of those rare [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► things where every single one of the 80 [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► people stayed to shake his hand and i [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► watch the entire show just one [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► comprehending like why what is going on [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► I wasn't another unsolved mysteries he [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► playing solo he was playing solo but [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► with a band ok so he was just front guy [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► he did it's not like he had an [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► instrument he just was holding a [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► microphone and they played a lot of echo [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► and the bunnymen tunes and where and [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► everybody was because you know the one [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► got from Mexico moment died so they [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► could never really get back together [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► what the guitar player was the one did [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► all the heavy lifting right was it will [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► sergeant was the same [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► yeah but it was like the bass player of [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► the drummers and I guess yeah I was like [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► a way yeah that was mostly drum machines [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► but but their drummer died right and so [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► it's a spinal tap situation i'm sure but [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► anyway it was this week it was this [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► weird event like you know when John Doe [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► goes around on his own and John Doe is a [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► beautiful man and John toe puts on an [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► unusual show very charismatic but he's [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► very charismatic and i understand it and [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I understood in McCulloch because he was [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► beautiful and also very charismatic [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► funny guy not Robbie Williams funny but [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► funny but watching the show I was like [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► there's nothing for me to I can sink my [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► teeth into any of this music air and [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► echo and the bunnymen felt I mean I was [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► in love and rockets fan why wouldn't [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► like it on the button they have they [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► also have an ampersand in the middle [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► uh-huh but just couldn't do it couldn't [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► even my colour kinda [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► just feel like echo and the bunnymen [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it's kind of like a slightly better [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► Smith's not but not a thing that i could [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► really sink my teeth into you know I [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► don't use this word much I think you're [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► trolling me haha i think you're I think [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► you're you're deliberately you're [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► deliberately making this more difficult [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► than it needs to be working on the show [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► are for this episode's going to bend [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► over so I'm trying to bring on trying to [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► bring the patterns out of the woodwork [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► because I know whatever whenever I get [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► whatever I really hit on something [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► that's true i get a lot of pedantic you [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► break your breaking people's frame [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► people don't like the frame broken [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► yeah it doesn't fit the frame low [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► booga-booga I get a lot of actually get [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► professor actually giving you call arm [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► my other one's going to toss out so like [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► anytime I don't know why I mean we talk [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► about godspeed you black emperor we have [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► I feel like we should talk about [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► godspeed you black emperor some I think [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► they're phenomenal their part of it i [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► could get I'm so relieved to hear that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► their part of that's like loudness is [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► our sixth instrument right like we have [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► guitar bass drums other guitar keyboards [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► and loudness but they got strings [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► strings got like 60 guitars and then [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► they got like a little miniature a [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► string section string section and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► loudness yeah but I they just did a tour [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► and everybody was at the shows and they [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► were raving about it and I was in maui [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► and they didn't come to maui they played [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► all these places that I could have been [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► should have been would have been who but [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► i know i think they're phenomenal [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► dimension is because like when you think [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► about the certain bands that are so [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► atmospheric and npv was what was your [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► other one the cure but like sometimes [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► when i first started getting into them [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► what 2000 2001 2002 something like that [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► oh and must know when I had my ipod [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► though anyway I've been listening to [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► them when i was on muni and when it was [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► when the train will go into the tunnel [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► hmm it's a bad time to be listening to [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► godspeed you black and well when the [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► train goes into the tunnel it's like [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► with my finger here right [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► that's an allegory Laura for when the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► Sailor meets the girl in the surf like [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► you know beyond kissing beyond kissing [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► one boy loves a girl very much his lips [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► can keep his mind and nothing else [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► listen to god speed black emperor in my [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► wallet full of blood into the taraval [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► other merchants the merchants are mad [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► your local merchants there and we're [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► gonna make things to make the terrible [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► safer and run better and they're mad [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► about losing parking [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► they always do that to make it run [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► better yeah it's a lot it's a lot like I [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► got speed you black emperor some time [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► said well you check them out that makes [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► me feel good [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► oh yeah for sure for shizzle my bruh i [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► have not seen them live i tried to [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► introduce my mom to glad Godspeed black [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► Emperor because it seemed like the type [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► of thing that would like that she would [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► turn up in her whole house would like [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► resonate like a like a drum but by that [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► point she had really gotten too far into [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► slash's snakepit to really back out some [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► so what mom has taken a she's taking a [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► left turn for many many years she had [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► impeccable taste [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► she would play like all the early Pink [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Floyd records like she was just crank [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► kuma kuma and uh you know and all she [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► had every Sabbath record and when [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► Sabbath transition to do she had no [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► problem with it she just she made that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► bump just fine but not a time [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► no not at the time but later yeah I you [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► know all the all the Zeppelin have [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► everybody she was completely down with [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the struggle she had she had a hard time [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► with late eighties metal because she [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► just didn't like the screechy singing [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► but somewhere along the line and this is [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► i don't i can't i can't say for sure i [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► don't know whether indie-rock got in her [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► head and threw off her natural balance [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► her you know what she was trying to do [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► what she was trying to replicate the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► feeling that she had listening to [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► Rachmaninoff in metal right she she said [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► she said I get it [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► this is this is Rachmaninoff in the form [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► of guitar music and i am into it and she [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► had a parametric eq and she would eq [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► kind of the bubbles out and and push the [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► base all the way up and she would sit in [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► just like her house with just thunder [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► but somewhere along the line and this is [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► I'm embarrassed to say this she listened [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► to Crede and she responded very very [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► intimate John and and from Creed well [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► she went two directions from imagine a [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► little leap she heard muse and muse was [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► her favorite band all of a sudden and [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► whatever means would come to town she [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► would go to the show she would buy a [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► ticket she didn't want to sit in the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► front row she did she was fine sitting [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► up in the stands way up in the stands [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► because that the you know the base would [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► really developed by the time it got to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► her and so if you can picture my 77-year [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► old mom at the time sitting way up in [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► the stands at the muse concert by [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► herself having the time of her life [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► right she would just go by herself she's [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► you know I wouldn't be in town or [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► something and she's like I'm gonna go [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► see mios really into music but then also [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► into creed and then here's where goes [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► crazy she went got into all the bands [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that were off sheets of the creek family [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► of bands [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► ok so a lot of what you would you call [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► John rock music grunge i mean it's it's [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► what grungy evolved into after after [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► everybody pronounced grunge as a title [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► of things [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► Oh sort of like the way new order was a [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► disco band [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► yeah right okay listen to disco anymore [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► except back to contribute an active and [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► so there's almost like post-christian [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► don't go doo-doo-doo-doo dole dog to [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► continually don't get too drunk it's [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► like seven string guitars are a lot of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► drop D tuning and people going [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna simmer down well where [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► judge Albright demo account junk down [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► its fucking grunge and it's the worst [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► part of ground and it was turned into a [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► whole genre that I kind of lump in with [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► like the kid rock family of bands [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► yeah sure where it's just like she'll do [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► a little investigating what's left [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► biscuit limp bizkit is the biggest crime [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► against humanity like limp bizkit the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► ones are a little rappy [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► yeah but I think enough they were there [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► like a grunge band 7-string guitar [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► grunge band with the worst human ever [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► produced by the collision of a sperm and [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► an egg like there is a room in my dick [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► cheney donald rumsfeld underground [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► desert isolation that concentration [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► dungeon and concentration dungeon and uh [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► and LSD test facility won't say that on [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the side [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► no no I there is no sign right the sign [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► says that sign says biological research [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► area raise please uh you have a gps [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► coordinates closely-held and a team [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► looks like regular desert on top but [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► there is a room for fred durst there and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► it might be right next to cheney and [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► they might they might have lunch [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► together right i mean because each would [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► are you forming a form of torture to the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► oh right like but Fred Fred Durst makes [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► me so angry he made me so angry the day [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► he arrived on the scene any success he's [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► ever had makes me angry any even things [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► that i would consider failures but he [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► would consider successes [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► I hate I hate on I hate on behalf of the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► world and I do i would i would put him [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► in a room with a sink and a steal at a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► metal bed a prison bed and I would [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► gradually over the course of many many [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► months add just trace amounts of LSD [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► into his water and then I would [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► gradually move the walls of his room so [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that it was no longer square but not not [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► really no we couldn't [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► there's no reference point like the like [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► gradually the bed would also stop being [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► square it would be a little bit narrower [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► at one end and a little bit wider at the [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► other but that would be true of the room [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► to look at where the dead inexplicably [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► rose about an inch over the course of a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► month exactly what they think is getting [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► shorter [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► he's going to write his shoes should get [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► a gig like the scene from Amelie right [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► with the shoes are just slightly getting [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► smaller bear and the then the dimensions [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► rumor changing but all the other things [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► in the rumor [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► also changing so the lines still look [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► parallel so he's looking down the line [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► of the bed and it's still parallel with [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► the wall but it does but it seems like a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► it seems like a rhombus now I would do [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► that to him I would do it i would watch [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► the videos i would watch the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► closed-circuit camera of him trying to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► navigate this new space slightly [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► tripping on LSD but not quite enough to [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► identify what was going on i would do [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► that for hours i would i would cackle I [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► would eat I would eat microwave popcorn [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► what would he have a chance to to to [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► make good what do you know he could have [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► these are old [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► well I would you know is i would do this [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► as a form of pleasure torture [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► uh-huh and then ultimately when I when I [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► had exhausted the pleasure of driving [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► him insane i would throw him into a pit [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► i would throw him into a a poop it and [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► then I would set it on fire [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► that is how i feel about printers wow I [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► would do that that's a very strong [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► feeling jealous i would quit my job [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► which i don't think i would quit my [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► daughters get a job and quit and make my [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► job is boring torturing a Fred Durst and [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► Dick Cheney and Donald you know all the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► other like hagiography that's happening [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► for Scalia now now boy here we go where [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► everybody is like you know what we all [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► hate and get a marker here just for [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► purposes we all hated him while he was [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► alive and we still kinda hate him [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► got a family did but you know what it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► was a smart guy [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► no yeah no worries good writer a funny [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► guy yeah and all this like oh you know [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► what he was the one that recommended [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► Elena Kailyn are rbg considers him a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► good buddy a good path I bet they had [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► fun but that's a times [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► Ruth Bader they had they laughed they [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► cried [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► everybody loved him and the fact that he [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► was a monster another agent would have [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► called him a garbage person turn turn [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► back the clock and ruined not just the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► judiciary but America being articulate [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► about hating people does not make you a [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► good person that's exactly right he's a [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► good writer but does not make you a good [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► person very very articulate and very [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► clean [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► he was very smug use a clean old man but [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► yeah unredeemable but the thing is in [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► all the years I never wanted him in my [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► torture dungeon [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► that torture dungeon is is reserved for [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► women Lawrence eagle Burger has a room [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► there and he was just following orders [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► right he was just he was just following [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► orders but he's got I think we're out [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► not all right all right Lauren sequel [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► burger I'm gonna let him i'm gonna sit [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► him in a in a concrete room but you make [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► my trusty John could he made me do [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► laundry that's exactly right that's [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► exactly what I let him make a case out [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► and he can you know he can he can do the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► sweeping up the laundry he can take he [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► can take the twins out of the cold bath [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► between Z column first with that's what [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► the fuck the focus of your existential [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► existential punishment dungeon being [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► Frederick's pick that back they would be [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► that they would be the two sides of you [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► know like there's the fred durst side [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and there's the dick cheney's just call [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► my boys keep the hot side hot and not [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► say how that old days fresh yep [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► mhm uh so yeah limp bizkit unredeemable [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► I mean you know their song I did it for [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► the nookie [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► oh that's right they did do it for the [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► nokia forgot about that and so you can [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► have this cookie and shove it up your [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► ass [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it's a line that's a lot huh well as the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► other band it was like limp biscuit was [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► another there's another band that was [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► like that right to talk about the one [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► that had two lead singers the rapper and [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► singer [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► oh maybe I'm trying to because they call [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► a new metal is that what it's called [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► nu-metal and you and unions madill ok [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► you're uh you're thinking maybe a linkin [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► park [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► Linkin Park that's exactly exactly what [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► i was thinking of seven string guitars [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► Linkin Park but Lincoln Park had a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► curious thing like they had it they had [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► a singer in a wrapper in my estimation [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► the rapper was somewhat superfluous but [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► the singer actually could sing before [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► and they and their music did not take on [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the grossly misogynistic and genre [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► bending garbage person music if we still [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► call it that that that is limp bizkit [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► Linkin Park was just a bad that you're [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► like to I like this do not like this [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► yeah that there is no way you could like [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► limp biscuit [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► I don't care if you were seven years old [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► like and I or not none can be forgiven [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► for this one can be forget concord about [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► the band Korn they had backwards can [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► then get Slipknot in corn seed that was [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► like that was that was grungy metal or [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► mentally grunge sometimes kind of joke [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► band though right [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► what Slipknot home i think i'm losing it [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► all to getting insane clown posse [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► well so don't start with the same client [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► policy but like you know talk about [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► jugglers in a long time [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Slipknot well juggalos kinda they went [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► through the looking glass with me when [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► I'm we're on the other side of it now [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► cosplay you start to respect it yeah I [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► respect because of because that kid came [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► up here and explain to me that would [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► explain to me the philosophy of juggalo [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► ism yes I ever since then I've been like [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► you know what I'm gonna give them a pass [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► i mean i don't want to I don't want to [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► go to the gathering [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► I don't want to accidentally be I don't [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► want to be on a plane that crashes and [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► actually crashes into the gathering [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► Oh like it would be like a juggling [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► convention and the aortic Shriners on [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► the plane I don't want to I don't want [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► somebody to drug me put me in the trunk [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► of a car and i wake up at the Catherine [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► I want to make the Juggalos yeah what I [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► want but I left it's like live and let [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► live [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► uh-huh I feel like slipknot was only a [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► joke band in the same way that war was [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► ok what I mean would you give guaro pass [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it's interesting that's interesting [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► because this gets us a don't know this [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► is where we want to go but like you got [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► like these somewhere you get these bands [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► that are kind of like a humorous rock [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► bands you got joke bands you got bands [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► with a bit right and there's this weird [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► Venn diagram though where you could in [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► some really weird Venn diagram a person [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► could put they might be giants and [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► slipping on the same Venn diagram window [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► you're right I see what you're saying [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► you see what I'm saying yeah but how do [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you feel about how do you feel about the [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► dwarves I don't know the door as well [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► but like weird al weird out he does [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► comedy rock [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► yeah he does that we're now and they [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► might be giants don't belong in the same [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► universe really no I mean we're now is a [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► weirdo is a wonderful man i understand [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► and he is a cultural treasure [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► yeah but they might be giants are our [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► giants arli writing genius I I don't [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► diss [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► agreed i'm talking someone about what [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► where people would put them you know [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► genre wise oh sure I mean let's say I [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► agree i think that I mean I'm not here [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► to get there but they get play good [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► attention they're one of my favorite [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► pants [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► that's right that's you you have covered [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► that band uh I have yeah you did your [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► pet name song [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► yeah I don't know if they've ever [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► covered me and that seems like something [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► that they should probably do a seat [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► cover that song about divorce about you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► know what's that song say so much who [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► i'm on how do you know my chill about [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► marriott san slabs happiness but it [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► generally does not sound like that why [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► do i do that no I don't know you have to [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► seize loves happiness that's not well [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► occasionally doing Jerry Lewis there's a [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► little teeny you you gotta teach me [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► yes unhappiness can see them of his sad [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► little similarity but your but you are [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► making a muppet boys and my brother was [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► hanging there [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► oh no that's you know what he sounds [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► like that the Smiths they need to change [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► they need a change [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► I didn't hear that last part John how do [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► you feel about Marilyn Manson struck [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► band I would take that as a joke band [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► wow I had a friend that used to work [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► with him at peaches in boca and he was a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► laughingstock he was he was a silly goth [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► boy who wore like long underwear under [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► his torn up jeans and he was just he was [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► a very silly guy but you know good for [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► him huh [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► good for him well now here's my Marilyn [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► Manson experience i want to see them in [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► a big stadium show ya with the whole [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► opening and I went as a joke I was like [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna go see Marilyn Manson hole [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► right right [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► the two worst things after limited like [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► whole Melissa after more little lived [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► through this was a spectacular record it [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► really was i really loved it and I some [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► pretty great tunes but there was nothing [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► about hole that I could I mean you know [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► like the whole like we're a band it's [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► not that we're it's the no doubt problem [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► right that everybody was like yeah [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► you're it's sure it's Wednesday funny [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► and they're like no we're a bad but is [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► an equal part in Destiny's Child and so [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► so whole you know like Eric erlandson [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► and Patty schmell I mean like you i'm [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► saying that right Melissa after more so [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► that in our graph tomorrow [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► she's very attractive she's only in that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► band because they lost their other bass [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► player huh to the drugs [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► oh right the drugs the drugs but like [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Courtney was just so problematic and by [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► that point by that point in their career [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► they had made the record that she did [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► 10,000 interviews about like this was [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► there rumors right we're gonna miss ya [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► no no that's a great that's a great tune [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► from great album great record but by the [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► time she was touting her new record as [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► the new rumors and then it came out and [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► it was like not only is this not the new [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► rumors no celebrity skin celebrities [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► haha yes I don't remember there's a lot [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► of lot of press about that this is not [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► only the new rumors this is the new this [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► isn't up to the standard of the third [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► Whitesnake album right like this is mom [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► this is no good no good [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► this is no this is Whitesnake level no [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► good and so I went to this concert [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► marilyn manson come on of a fault the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► whole this is gonna be I'm gonna have so [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► much fun i'm gonna fill a 64 ounce cup [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► with semen having fun fucking with this [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► show right and I was standing on the [TS]

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00:52:42 ◼   ► of people would just have privilege [TS]

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00:52:44 ◼   ► unexamined I have examined mine and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► found it to be appropriate [TS]

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00:54:58 ◼   ► on the side of the stage and the check [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► next to me is dan Savage who reports [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► that this is the first rock concert he's [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► ever been to man up until this point in [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► his life he had only gone to drag shows [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► and broadway shows right because he was [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► a certain he was from a certain era of [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► being a gay man where you just liked [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► Broadway he'd never been to a rock [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► concert of any kind he had no rock now [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that's so weird and so he stood next to [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► me throughout the show and I was like [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► whispering in his ear [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► what was happening bc this dan this is a [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► base this is an electric bass now you [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► were like your spirit guide [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► yeah but it doesn't sound like an [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► electric bass right now because he's [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► running it through a machine that makes [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► it sound all karate and dams like okay [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► karate and I was like yeah basis low [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► sound but it sounds high right now [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► because of this box is running through [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► intense like okay [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► is that something I should care about [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► and I'm like no no you don't have to [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► care about that and it would be like [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► good good good [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► ok I got it so tell me what I should [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► care about and I'm like well here's what [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► you should care about you know like [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► where was it was fun to do to take [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► somebody that I that I knew and liked [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► and walk him through rock music as [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► though he had never heard it because it [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► he actually had never heard but then so [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► this is going on through all the opening [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► bands and the first band was monster [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► magnet right which I actually kind of [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► like they were a little bit of a funny [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► metal band but they were more metal than [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► funny or like rock metal mhm like [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► Monster Magnet walk down through monster [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► magnet whole came on we both we both [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► shared a an intrinsic understanding of [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► what Courtney Love was can be because of [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► his background because of his back right [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► at that point he probably brought a lot [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► of lot of knowledge he was like aha i [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► seen that before I see this now and I [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► was like yes to this needs no explaining [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► but then Marilyn Manson took the stage [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► and I had I was wearing my Technicolor [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► irony coat and and was ready for this [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► ship comes out and proceeds with all of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► his serial killer named clown families [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► proceeds to put on an extraordinary rock [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► show a fucking massive stadium grade [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► rock show that i SAT back in my heels [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► was like this is phenomenal [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► there is nothing funny about this it is [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► huge like the music is huge the show is [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► huge i was completely converted to the [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► marilyn manson cause not not even not [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► not so there was no irony left in me so [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► much so that when he came back to town I [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► went of my own volition not to laugh but [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► to celebrate [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► whoa like this is this is rock and roll [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► in the next time he came through he [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► wasn't a stadium band anymore he was [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► playing the big theater and it was [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► fucking great [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► he he threw a microphone a roadie he I [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► mean all the things you're not supposed [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► to do he transgressed not only our [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► societal expectations of gender and [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► power but he also he also challenged my [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► knowledge of how you're supposed to [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► treat your staff [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► it was terrible justjust from an HR [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► standpoint he's bringing something new [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► he wasn't just walking around in a dirty [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► jock strap [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► he was throwing microphones at his own [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► guys and I was like that's pretty rock [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► and roll that seems like something you [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► would do if you were like legitimately [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► on drugs and and I've when I see a [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► stadium Rock Show I assume that every [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► single thing that happens on the stage [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► is choreographed and part of the show [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► sure I saw Metallica one time where they [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► set the set the main PA on fire you know [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► that without a plan and they had to [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► shave and turn on the house lights and [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► move the audience back 80 feet from the [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► stage and the fire department came in [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► and I was like this is all part of the [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► show I mean I was fucking baked right [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► but I was this is part of the show now I [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► don't think you could do that as part of [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► the show but they set the PA on fire [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► come on if that's not part of the show [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► they should make it part of the show [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► every subsequent night of this to her [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► yeah if you didn't have a plan for that [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► you'll be filling out a lot forms every [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► yeah right exactly exactly nobody wants [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► a great white situation [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► oh god but uh but Marilyn Manson you [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► know they did something that that no one [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► can ever take away from me which is that [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► I saw Marilyn mansion show and I came [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► out the other side and [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► I'm sitting next to Dan and I'm like [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► this is blowing my mind and Ansel [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► watching it as a Broadway show [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► sure what I mean can take it away from [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► the guys before [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► the guys before [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► former it sounds like you know I mean [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► he's taking more than one note from [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► alice cooper about how to like put on a [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► mind-blowing show but with the [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► technologies got available that must be [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► pretty amazing and you know he didn't do [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► the Alice Cooper thing where it's like [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► I'm gonna be head of a tonight onstage [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► with the guillotine [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► yeah he was doing a thing that was that [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► was purporting to be live and in the [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► moment I didn't feel good didn't feel [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► campy it wasn't it was extremely can't [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► be my god they were they were dressed [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► like they were dressed like a they were [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► all dressed like the the main villain [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► road warrior who write and they were [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► doing that thing remember when he [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► remember when the the bad guy and I [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► forget his name but the bad guy the road [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► warrior he jumps on the back of a car he [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► rides it in through the gate and then [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► he's inside the compound and he looks [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► around and everybody's like it's him the [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► mohawk and there and now it's like what [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► we do and he jumps jumps on from on top [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► of the car to on top of the truck gets [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► up on the wall kills a guy runs along [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► everybody's there Mel Gibson's there [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► they're all like got to get him and he [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► stops right on the gate and he looks [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► back and he goes high and it's an [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► overdub sound who you know it's like him [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► going [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► ah but it but it's too stereophonic to [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► really be from him uh-huh but that's [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► exactly how he would sound like that's [TS]