Roderick on the Line

Ep. 187: "The Nicest Oubliette"


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00:00:19   hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:24   oh well it's a little crazy out there [TS]

00:00:27   actually [TS]

00:00:29   what's up oh I just recommend that you [TS]

00:00:31   not go out today I don't you should I [TS]

00:00:33   think you should stay stay in is [TS]

00:00:35   probably good advice everywhere [TS]

00:00:36   well yeah I mean I think I feel like a [TS]

00:00:38   lot of people were making left-hand [TS]

00:00:40   turns from the right-hand lane today if [TS]

00:00:42   you know what I'm saying [TS]

00:00:43   yeah and it just felt like boy don't [TS]

00:00:46   don't don't make any unnecessary trips [TS]

00:00:50   as the state troopers say they're never [TS]

00:00:54   heard that advice that's it really [TS]

00:00:56   wasn't on the war [TS]

00:00:57   no no that's very common state trooper [TS]

00:00:59   advice don't make any unnecessary trips [TS]

00:01:02   today but any of my parts that spanned [TS]

00:01:06   letting the guy with the broom decide [TS]

00:01:07   how many elephants can be in the parade [TS]

00:01:08   just makes his job easy [TS]

00:01:10   you will help me right after advise you [TS]

00:01:12   not to use your car's much that kind of [TS]

00:01:14   puts a it's a bit of a burden on us in [TS]

00:01:16   the law enforcement community I had I [TS]

00:01:18   had that exact experience one time where [TS]

00:01:20   the state trooper standing at a [TS]

00:01:21   roadblock and I drove up to it and he [TS]

00:01:25   said roads closed and I said really and [TS]

00:01:32   he said well I mean you can go if you [TS]

00:01:34   want what I said well alright i will he [TS]

00:01:38   was like so on you it's more like as [TS]

00:01:40   serving suggestion no I think he was [TS]

00:01:42   like roads closed and everybody turn [TS]

00:01:44   around let me lose the [TS]

00:01:46   passive-aggressive state trooper but [TS]

00:01:49   whatever but you know he was he wasn't [TS]

00:01:52   he didn't have a hundred percent [TS]

00:01:53   conviction and and I was like well fuck [TS]

00:01:56   it i never saw a road that was so close [TS]

00:01:58   that that I wouldn't take a shot at it i [TS]

00:02:01   think is dale carnegie said no I when it [TS]

00:02:06   was a hairy ride i'll tell you but it [TS]

00:02:08   was wasn't closed [TS]

00:02:10   yeah yeah yeah i think you know i'm not [TS]

00:02:14   i don't like to drive I don't drive if I [TS]

00:02:16   can avoid it but i I've always lived in [TS]

00:02:19   fear of that thing where the cop asks [TS]

00:02:22   you where you're going and with the [TS]

00:02:24   implicit question of like why you're [TS]

00:02:26   going where you're going and I really [TS]

00:02:28   just part of this bigger existential [TS]

00:02:29   anxiety for me which is I don't have [TS]

00:02:31   like one particularly good read [TS]

00:02:33   in for anything that I do and I don't [TS]

00:02:35   like that like being asked about that [TS]

00:02:36   that's easy enough people say like why [TS]

00:02:38   didn't you buy this phone so well first [TS]

00:02:40   of all who cares and second of all [TS]

00:02:41   that's a weird question but I'm gonna [TS]

00:02:43   keep asking why you're going we're going [TS]

00:02:44   that that's like a crisis of confidence [TS]

00:02:46   and out for me because I'm like do I [TS]

00:02:48   really need to be doing this should be [TS]

00:02:49   doing this is a man I don't you know [TS]

00:02:52   what I thought I knew what I was doing [TS]

00:02:53   this and now i feel kind of bad that I'm [TS]

00:02:55   even here in wasting your time right [TS]

00:02:57   apart why am I doing this I'm doing this [TS]

00:03:00   what I'm going to go to go visit my [TS]

00:03:01   family do I want to do that no i'm not [TS]

00:03:03   completely I mean why am i doing that [TS]

00:03:05   I'm doing out of the familial obligation [TS]

00:03:07   like what way you are you here [TS]

00:03:09   yeah yeah yeah well see that's exactly [TS]

00:03:11   my answer that question mean when [TS]

00:03:13   somebody says haha [TS]

00:03:14   where you going why are you going there [TS]

00:03:16   I always say why do any of us do [TS]

00:03:18   anything right in the version of that [TS]

00:03:21   same thing except its subjects said from [TS]

00:03:24   a process first set from a position of [TS]

00:03:26   like why are you doing what you're doing [TS]

00:03:28   Oh glad that's just having a cop than [TS]

00:03:30   one here oh no no but you know but that [TS]

00:03:33   that's a potential it's a potential [TS]

00:03:35   moment for you guys to really bond over [TS]

00:03:36   the fact that are you know what what why [TS]

00:03:39   do any of us do anything I it seems like [TS]

00:03:42   one of those questions when they give [TS]

00:03:45   you a polygraph test before they get to [TS]

00:03:47   the like [TS]

00:03:48   did you kill Nicole Brown Simpson [TS]

00:03:49   questions they have to ask you you know [TS]

00:03:51   it was your name [TS]

00:03:52   you know right ornithology james simpson [TS]

00:03:54   like that you've got to ask the like [TS]

00:03:56   baseline questions and see how you [TS]

00:03:58   reacted those before they can look for [TS]

00:03:59   the spikes by the way he got a negative [TS]

00:04:00   24 on that was very upsetting to john [TS]

00:04:02   travolta in the movie but you know what [TS]

00:04:06   i mean and so like I think when there's [TS]

00:04:07   a lot of things were like you ask [TS]

00:04:09   somebody a question not to get an answer [TS]

00:04:10   but to see how they react to the [TS]

00:04:11   question mm and I think that's what a [TS]

00:04:13   cop is doing I think they're trained to [TS]

00:04:14   do that they don't actually care while [TS]

00:04:16   you're driving but they want to see if [TS]

00:04:17   you're up to some monkey business [TS]

00:04:19   yeah well I remember getting pulled over [TS]

00:04:21   by cop one night and I had a guy in the [TS]

00:04:23   back of the car who was a former Army [TS]

00:04:26   veteran fought in the old fun in the [TS]

00:04:29   famous Panama war she recalled the the [TS]

00:04:34   noriega the noriega war where they were [TS]

00:04:36   they parked out in front of the music [TS]

00:04:38   remember simply the heavy metal music he [TS]

00:04:40   fought in that war and it would but it [TS]

00:04:42   was a genuine war army people shot at [TS]

00:04:44   other people and and succeeded in there [TS]

00:04:46   mission of shooting other people and so [TS]

00:04:50   he was a really big guy in an army guy [TS]

00:04:53   and that was before we had the term for [TS]

00:04:57   this kind of libertarian [TS]

00:05:00   anti-authoritarian take over a Wildlife [TS]

00:05:03   Refuge style anti-government person but [TS]

00:05:07   he was certainly anti-authoritarian and [TS]

00:05:11   so I got pulled over this cop foregoing [TS]

00:05:13   15-30 or something like and he [TS]

00:05:16   immediately gets you can just hear him [TS]

00:05:17   behind me just in this body limp body [TS]

00:05:19   English of like all right I'm not taking [TS]

00:05:22   you no we're not taking any shit off of [TS]

00:05:24   this and it wasn't that he wasn't going [TS]

00:05:25   to take any shit it was that he was [TS]

00:05:27   communicating to the car that we weren't [TS]

00:05:29   going to take it well in the larger way [TS]

00:05:31   that no shit would be takin no shit is [TS]

00:05:33   going to be taken here this cop you know [TS]

00:05:35   barely has the authority to pull the [TS]

00:05:37   soap and so the cop walks up and he's [TS]

00:05:40   like I said it's in the middle of the [TS]

00:05:43   night you know it's like one of those [TS]

00:05:44   it's a little bit fraught already the [TS]

00:05:46   complex up and i'm sure he sees the [TS]

00:05:48   six-foot-five bald army guy staring [TS]

00:05:51   straight ahead with his jaw clenched in [TS]

00:05:53   the backseat I'm sure he sees him before [TS]

00:05:55   he even sees me and he comes up to me [TS]

00:05:58   and he's like Sir do you know why I [TS]

00:05:59   pulled you over and I was like yeah I [TS]

00:06:02   was going 15 to 30 and the guy behind me [TS]

00:06:05   loses his mind you can hear Mike switch [TS]

00:06:07   like you give too much away like what do [TS]

00:06:11   you doing [TS]

00:06:13   name rank and serial number and the cop [TS]

00:06:16   was like yeah that's right and I was [TS]

00:06:17   like yeah sorry i was there nobody on [TS]

00:06:19   the road and I was just driving [TS]

00:06:21   I mean it's not like i was going 15 to [TS]

00:06:24   30 and they were like school buses on [TS]

00:06:26   the street it's two in the morning and [TS]

00:06:28   the cop said alright sir house you know [TS]

00:06:31   give me your license registration and [TS]

00:06:32   you know sit tight and goes back to his [TS]

00:06:35   car and I the my buddy just give me the [TS]

00:06:39   Baltimore dressing-down what the fuck [TS]

00:06:41   are you doing man [TS]

00:06:43   she's just what about however right and [TS]

00:06:49   you know five minutes later the cop [TS]

00:06:50   comes back and he's like alright will [TS]

00:06:51   slow down out there has been my license [TS]

00:06:54   and registration I'm like yeah see the [TS]

00:06:57   cub you know he's not an ass [TS]

00:06:59   he's not an idiot yeah there's nobody [TS]

00:07:01   else on the highway you just be just be [TS]

00:07:03   a problem with people i get off at [TS]

00:07:09   tickets all the time and it's largely [TS]

00:07:10   white privilege oh no that's a big part [TS]

00:07:12   i just--there's a thing there's a thing [TS]

00:07:14   like cops to a really hard job and it's [TS]

00:07:16   really hard with the hottest hard [TS]

00:07:17   difficult and dangerous work but but [TS]

00:07:19   it's just it's so no matter how old I [TS]

00:07:23   get I still think it's weird that [TS]

00:07:24   anybody wants to be a cop and I'm still [TS]

00:07:26   suspicious of anybody who wants to be a [TS]

00:07:27   cop and I know that's wrong i know i'm [TS]

00:07:30   sorry i'm certain that there are people [TS]

00:07:31   who are genuine sociopathic bullies who [TS]

00:07:34   specifically with a Napoleon complex who [TS]

00:07:36   in particular become cops just so they [TS]

00:07:38   can be bossy [TS]

00:07:39   I don't doubt that for a second but [TS]

00:07:40   there are a lot of good people but the [TS]

00:07:42   job is so weird I mean the actual job [TS]

00:07:45   you think about the job I think about in [TS]

00:07:46   your case like if somebody you're in a [TS]

00:07:48   position where somebody says to you hey [TS]

00:07:50   John like i'll give you like fifty [TS]

00:07:53   dollars to come to Boston for an hour [TS]

00:07:56   and you're in a position to go like oh [TS]

00:07:57   you know that's not really a good deal [TS]

00:07:58   for me and like I wouldn't want to do [TS]

00:08:00   that whereas somebody else's I'm gonna [TS]

00:08:02   get $50,000 to like do something in your [TS]

00:08:04   own backyard you say yeah they'll do [TS]

00:08:05   that could you can weigh like what [TS]

00:08:07   that's a good use of your time [TS]

00:08:09   happens to me all the time all the time [TS]

00:08:10   both directions you're constantly [TS]

00:08:11   fielding offers but when you're a cop [TS]

00:08:13   it just seems like there's so much stuff [TS]

00:08:15   that basically just comes down to time [TS]

00:08:18   and paperwork and in that case like why [TS]

00:08:20   he did he really pull you over like was [TS]

00:08:23   did he pull that any people do over you [TS]

00:08:26   follow i'm going with this one yeah what [TS]

00:08:28   a weird job to have to pull somebody [TS]

00:08:30   over check their information and not [TS]

00:08:33   give a ticket like okay so was he just [TS]

00:08:36   looking for was he working off the books [TS]

00:08:37   for people who like were had drugs in [TS]

00:08:40   their car or something was that part of [TS]

00:08:41   his assignment was this assignment to [TS]

00:08:43   get more tickets like what was his job [TS]

00:08:45   what what part of his job was he doing [TS]

00:08:47   when he pulled you over Andy succeed at [TS]

00:08:49   it [TS]

00:08:49   yeah and I don't know I can't answer [TS]

00:08:51   that question without without rolling [TS]

00:08:53   through this whole array of motivations [TS]

00:08:55   for why you would be a cop in the first [TS]

00:08:57   place and what their actual role is in [TS]

00:08:59   society because I i honestly can't tell [TS]

00:09:01   you but your five different peoples [TS]

00:09:02   fight for reasons why they want to pull [TS]

00:09:03   somebody over because it is based on [TS]

00:09:05   their intuition right oh well where's [TS]

00:09:08   the gun [TS]

00:09:09   yeah speaking I mean you know he's on [TS]

00:09:11   he's on speed trap duty or whatever [TS]

00:09:13   I think it's also two o'clock in the [TS]

00:09:14   morning he's driving around he's that's [TS]

00:09:16   his job to be out and so he's looking [TS]

00:09:19   around and I think the best cops [TS]

00:09:21   understand that they are agents of the [TS]

00:09:25   state and that we all agree on laws and [TS]

00:09:29   that those laws need to be enforced and [TS]

00:09:31   the state and forces them for a variety [TS]

00:09:32   of reasons and the way they do that is [TS]

00:09:34   through the police and so the worst cops [TS]

00:09:37   think that they are personally charged [TS]

00:09:40   with a with a personal authority to be [TS]

00:09:43   out there busting bad guys like those [TS]

00:09:46   that's just the wrong motivation almost [TS]

00:09:48   like a crusader [TS]

00:09:49   yeah right i mean the guys that think [TS]

00:09:51   that they have some superior ability to [TS]

00:09:53   handle situations and get in there and [TS]

00:09:57   you know deal with people deal with you [TS]

00:10:00   know the bad guys like those guys should [TS]

00:10:04   I don't know what they should do they [TS]

00:10:05   should become trainers you know but but [TS]

00:10:09   the best cops understand that like we [TS]

00:10:11   need police because the state makes laws [TS]

00:10:14   the benefit of us all and then we have [TS]

00:10:17   to enforce those laws because a lot of [TS]

00:10:18   people are gonna you know a lot of [TS]

00:10:20   people are going to say that doesn't [TS]

00:10:21   apply to me [TS]

00:10:22   myself included and so yeah the cops are [TS]

00:10:26   out there they're like okay I'm i pulled [TS]

00:10:28   the i pulled the one am 28 a.m. shift [TS]

00:10:31   and i'm out here enforcing the laws and [TS]

00:10:33   if I see a guy driving 15-30 whose cars [TS]

00:10:38   on fire and he's on top of it wearing a [TS]

00:10:40   toga and waving a scimitars I'm [TS]

00:10:42   definitely pulling him over [TS]

00:10:44   uh-huh because he is gonna be something [TS]

00:10:46   going on he appears to be a danger to [TS]

00:10:48   everyone [TS]

00:10:49   well you know also just basics weather [TS]

00:10:51   since you know smoke there's fire or [TS]

00:10:53   better still where there's fire there's [TS]

00:10:54   a car on fire and that's probably why [TS]

00:10:56   she got the road [TS]

00:10:57   that's exactly right but you getting to [TS]

00:10:58   the seminar he's driving along and he [TS]

00:11:01   sees a guy he's a car full of guys uh [TS]

00:11:04   who look like a former Army Rangers and [TS]

00:11:09   they're going too fast and that's really [TS]

00:11:12   the only thing that's going on right now [TS]

00:11:14   he's looking around he wishes it a space [TS]

00:11:17   alien would come down and give him [TS]

00:11:18   something exciting to do but that's the [TS]

00:11:21   only thing that's going on and so he's [TS]

00:11:22   like all right I'm gonna pull these guys [TS]

00:11:23   over and he checks your idea [TS]

00:11:27   he puts it into the computer is like all [TS]

00:11:28   right nobody and I think he took [TS]

00:11:30   everybody's idea for a cliq if i [TS]

00:11:32   remember correctly ok I you know and and [TS]

00:11:36   everybody was fine and it was like this [TS]

00:11:38   is fine this is just a normal situation [TS]

00:11:41   and that's why I say yeah I was speeding [TS]

00:11:43   I I honestly I and I mean I'm not [TS]

00:11:48   flipping him attitude like seriously [TS]

00:11:50   dude it's just like yeah I understand [TS]

00:11:53   why you pulled me over but also do you [TS]

00:11:54   understand why I'm going 15 to 30 and he [TS]

00:11:57   does and so everything so he Percy sees [TS]

00:12:01   himself and his job correctly which is [TS]

00:12:03   like I'm out here because people want me [TS]

00:12:05   out here and when I encounter a [TS]

00:12:09   situation i can use my good judgment and [TS]

00:12:11   say move along who um it's just it's [TS]

00:12:16   just those bad cops that and anything is [TS]

00:12:18   a lot of the bad cops are always the [TS]

00:12:20   ones that don't see themselves as bad [TS]

00:12:22   because they're the ones out there [TS]

00:12:24   breaking knees and chasing bad chasing [TS]

00:12:27   guys in hoodies and making the world [TS]

00:12:30   safe you know and that's just it seems [TS]

00:12:33   that's that seems like a stereotype that [TS]

00:12:34   must have its factual you know examples [TS]

00:12:39   in life even I mean as much as that [TS]

00:12:41   stereotype that must happen i'm talking [TS]

00:12:43   about like in his case like in and this [TS]

00:12:45   is why I struggle to understand like [TS]

00:12:47   what it's like to be a you-know-what ago [TS]

00:12:50   you would not a beat cop but like you [TS]

00:12:51   know a lower-level police officer not a [TS]

00:12:53   detective not somebody's charged was [TS]

00:12:55   saying look we need you to use your [TS]

00:12:57   intuition and to use these various kinds [TS]

00:13:00   of you know known data to make decisions [TS]

00:13:02   about how to proceed with this right [TS]

00:13:03   you're more of a knowledge what kind of [TS]

00:13:05   job which I'm not saying it's not again [TS]

00:13:07   on this thing it's not difficult i'm not [TS]

00:13:08   saying it's not you don't be smart to do [TS]

00:13:09   it but in that case it's you know it's [TS]

00:13:12   it's almost like it almost makes more [TS]

00:13:13   sense when you go well you need to make [TS]

00:13:16   two thousand dollars in traffic stop in [TS]

00:13:19   in traffic fines tonight you know what I [TS]

00:13:21   mean you know or think about the job [TS]

00:13:23   somebody who's what we used to call a [TS]

00:13:24   meter maid it's their job to go like [TS]

00:13:26   make money for the government by giving [TS]

00:13:27   people tickets and guys partly about the [TS]

00:13:30   local merchants you know having a way to [TS]

00:13:31   keep parking spaces open but that's that [TS]

00:13:34   almost that kind of Sheriff of [TS]

00:13:36   Nottingham approach almost makes more [TS]

00:13:37   sense like we want we're gonna bust you [TS]

00:13:40   missed you at the border with drugs [TS]

00:13:41   because we want your speed boat like [TS]

00:13:43   that stuff in a medieval way makes more [TS]

00:13:45   sense in that case that guy could let [TS]

00:13:47   you go by and it would be just less [TS]

00:13:48   chance of danger in his life and less [TS]

00:13:50   potential paperwork true and that's a [TS]

00:13:52   different kind of bad cop you know [TS]

00:13:54   that's the cliché of the [TS]

00:13:56   doughnut-eating cop sitting in his car [TS]

00:13:58   parked in front of a donut shop right [TS]

00:14:01   the guy who sees a car speeding but he's [TS]

00:14:03   like yeah there's no evidence that he [TS]

00:14:06   didn't there's no evidence of his [TS]

00:14:07   nonfeasance exactly so he's just like [TS]

00:14:10   you know people are people or bad it's [TS]

00:14:12   too much trouble right now to go chase [TS]

00:14:14   that guy he's making a decision on his [TS]

00:14:16   own behalf to a which is just to you [TS]

00:14:21   know get paid to do nothing and that's a [TS]

00:14:23   different kind of bad cop and then the [TS]

00:14:25   meter maid I think it's just a job to [TS]

00:14:28   those people you know like that's just [TS]

00:14:29   they could be sitting they can be [TS]

00:14:32   sitting at a desk at the DMV making the [TS]

00:14:34   making life hard for people or they [TS]

00:14:36   could be out you know they're that those [TS]

00:14:38   are just jobs it is and it's I I feel [TS]

00:14:41   really I feel really bad for those [TS]

00:14:43   people that they are just you know they [TS]

00:14:46   got they got a civil service job gotta [TS]

00:14:48   go and do but you know but then on the [TS]

00:14:50   other hand when you get a ticket you [TS]

00:14:51   didn't really deserved you're like all [TS]

00:14:52   of a sudden now the world's all [TS]

00:14:53   different [TS]

00:14:54   yeah you got a ticket when everyone's [TS]

00:14:56   while you meet a meter maid who is like [TS]

00:14:59   inhumanly gratified oh it's and that's [TS]

00:15:03   why the DMV example is interesting it [TS]

00:15:05   you know it again we're getting very [TS]

00:15:06   much indeed like certain kind of [TS]

00:15:08   middle-class stereotype but there is [TS]

00:15:10   that stereotype of somebody who's like [TS]

00:15:12   ready for you to treat them badly and [TS]

00:15:14   who's like preemptively you know doing [TS]

00:15:17   that stuff I got no beef you know we [TS]

00:15:20   have a police station very near where I [TS]

00:15:21   live and so we interact with cops logic [TS]

00:15:24   cesium you know walk around going to the [TS]

00:15:26   car and it is it strange that because [TS]

00:15:28   there's they the the place near where I [TS]

00:15:31   live the cops end up covering something [TS]

00:15:32   like about a quarter or fifth of the [TS]

00:15:35   city so they have to fan out over a very [TS]

00:15:37   large area of western San Francisco [TS]

00:15:39   yeah and it's just it's always weird to [TS]

00:15:41   read something in the paper about like [TS]

00:15:42   something that happened at not just our [TS]

00:15:45   local police place but a place it's [TS]

00:15:46   fairly near our house [TS]

00:15:47   yeah it's a rare thing it's a weird [TS]

00:15:48   thing to too because then you like [TS]

00:15:50   that's so strange i can never think I [TS]

00:15:52   don't [TS]

00:15:52   I just think about those people as [TS]

00:15:54   people going to work sometimes we hear [TS]

00:15:55   sirens [TS]

00:15:56   that's the way we are fortunate to feel [TS]

00:15:57   very safe where we live there's cops [TS]

00:15:59   walking her house all day long but but [TS]

00:16:03   at the same time like its it is strange [TS]

00:16:04   when you go like that's weird i don't [TS]

00:16:06   tend to think of them as stereotypical [TS]

00:16:07   like you know cops but that's you know [TS]

00:16:10   for sure because that guy is taking it [TS]

00:16:13   taking that risk he pulls over that car [TS]

00:16:14   full of four guys and they are white [TS]

00:16:16   supremacists and their cars are full of [TS]

00:16:18   guns and they're on their way to you [TS]

00:16:19   know to blow up a synagogue and there's [TS]

00:16:22   a shootout in this this poor copies in [TS]

00:16:24   the you know is in the firing zone well [TS]

00:16:29   it's also it's also the this don't you [TS]

00:16:33   call this but you know it's also like [TS]

00:16:34   they're there is something that there [TS]

00:16:36   might be something that cop could act on [TS]

00:16:39   let's put it this way the person driving [TS]

00:16:40   that car are riding in that car knows [TS]

00:16:43   there's something that cop could act on [TS]

00:16:44   now that could be a like a small bit of [TS]

00:16:48   weed in your pocket [TS]

00:16:49   mmm it could be now not worth killing a [TS]

00:16:51   cop over let me tell you what we have [TS]

00:16:53   but if you look at out there everybody [TS]

00:16:54   on saying this is just how this how you [TS]

00:16:56   getting these Fargo type situations is [TS]

00:16:58   where you know there's one that one that [TS]

00:17:00   may be one person the car's got we maybe [TS]

00:17:01   nobody else knows that they have weed or [TS]

00:17:03   whatever whatever insert a random drug [TS]

00:17:05   and it could be that somebody's heart [TS]

00:17:08   remembers there's a warrant outstanding [TS]

00:17:10   warrant on them and you know what I mean [TS]

00:17:12   there's that kind of stuff we're like [TS]

00:17:13   they're these landmines waiting to have [TS]

00:17:16   more nothing really happened that needed [TS]

00:17:18   to be acted upon accept it as much as [TS]

00:17:20   their this is part of law enforcement is [TS]

00:17:22   doing that due diligence to you know [TS]

00:17:24   Sadie's are drugs in here anything going [TS]

00:17:26   to stab me you know we try to outrun you [TS]

00:17:29   know so in that case like if our copy [TS]

00:17:31   and I and I wouldn't be but like I would [TS]

00:17:33   be real circumspect about deciding your [TS]

00:17:35   end up watching fargo and i love the [TS]

00:17:37   fact that that in this conversation you [TS]

00:17:39   are going into your scott simpson [TS]

00:17:40   register periodically did I ever tell [TS]

00:17:43   you about that uh I've never watched the [TS]

00:17:46   television show Fargo alright okay I've [TS]

00:17:48   consumed the movie Fargo yeah the in the [TS]

00:17:50   second season of that there's there's [TS]

00:17:51   there's several very tense things [TS]

00:17:54   involving like one cop and a lot of bad [TS]

00:17:57   guys and where you've got to just keep [TS]

00:17:58   the surface tension from breaking well [TS]

00:18:00   and this is the thing i think it is the [TS]

00:18:02   insight into the DMV question and the [TS]

00:18:04   cop question which [TS]

00:18:06   is that think of ninety percent of jobs [TS]

00:18:09   you are dealing with a select group of [TS]

00:18:14   people in the course of your day right [TS]

00:18:16   if you work at an insurance agency you [TS]

00:18:18   are dealing only with people who are [TS]

00:18:20   seeking insurance and people who are in [TS]

00:18:25   the insurance trade and if you are you [TS]

00:18:28   know designing software even if you're [TS]

00:18:30   talking on the phone to customer service [TS]

00:18:32   people you are dealing with people who [TS]

00:18:34   are using your selected product but cops [TS]

00:18:39   and DMV people are there among the only [TS]

00:18:43   people who deal with everybody and that [TS]

00:18:47   you know they pull over big [TS]

00:18:48   mercedes-benz's and they pull over cars [TS]

00:18:52   that shouldn't be on the road and they [TS]

00:18:54   pull over people who are like him a [TS]

00:18:56   demographic demographically people who [TS]

00:18:58   are insane people who are not insane [TS]

00:19:02   people who are entitled people who are [TS]

00:19:05   not entitled you know they pull over [TS]

00:19:06   they talked to everyone and the DMV is [TS]

00:19:09   very close to that to like everybody in [TS]

00:19:11   our world gets the driver's license [TS]

00:19:13   that's like that that's like the first [TS]

00:19:16   thing you are allowed to do is hurdle [TS]

00:19:18   down the road in a given a gas-fired [TS]

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00:21:21   and so so this tidal wave of everybody [TS]

00:21:27   comes at you and I think in those [TS]

00:21:29   positions and this is the thing week you [TS]

00:21:32   know we walk up to that counter and were [TS]

00:21:33   like hey I'm a normal person and I'm [TS]

00:21:36   just having a day and hello and the [TS]

00:21:39   personal encounters like name ID her [TS]

00:21:43   card because they've already dealt with [TS]

00:21:47   with such a wide scrum of people and I [TS]

00:21:53   guess I i guess my experience out in the [TS]

00:21:56   world is that there are so many people [TS]

00:21:58   who are difficult to deal with for a [TS]

00:22:01   variety of reasons difficulty with [TS]

00:22:03   helping me in that what i like about [TS]

00:22:05   your use of the word difficult there is [TS]

00:22:07   it's not necessary that they're nasty [TS]

00:22:09   it's not necessarily that they're [TS]

00:22:10   hostile or it could just be that they're [TS]

00:22:13   difficult to deal with because they [TS]

00:22:15   don't know how to do what they're doing [TS]

00:22:16   right now they don't know how to be at [TS]

00:22:17   the DMV exactly what I mean they don't [TS]

00:22:20   they don't understand maybe they could [TS]

00:22:21   be language thing right it could be a [TS]

00:22:23   financial thing like no sir I can't run [TS]

00:22:24   this on three different cards there's [TS]

00:22:25   all kinds of reasons didn't lot of [TS]

00:22:27   people wouldn't think about about why [TS]

00:22:29   this seemingly simple transaction can be [TS]

00:22:30   confusing and you get you get them [TS]

00:22:32   everyday it [TS]

00:22:32   you know you know i said before my [TS]

00:22:34   health job my whole job is to be the [TS]

00:22:36   person in the TSA line who has to ask [TS]

00:22:38   you to take the water out of your bag [TS]

00:22:39   because you have to do that you have to [TS]

00:22:41   ask people but no matter how many times [TS]

00:22:43   you tell them i think still about 1 out [TS]

00:22:45   of 10 people of water in the bag I've [TS]

00:22:47   done it I sit [TS]

00:22:48   it's always the person right in front of [TS]

00:22:49   me you know the person that is that in [TS]

00:22:51   its I'm sure everybody feels this way [TS]

00:22:53   it's the person who appears to never [TS]

00:22:55   have been an airport before this the [TS]

00:22:56   first plane they've ever been on they go [TS]

00:22:58   up to the security thing and go back to [TS]

00:23:00   the back to their general arms they [TS]

00:23:03   don't know what kind of stuff that's off [TS]

00:23:05   the alarm they don't know how to ask the [TS]

00:23:06   questions they're only open though [TS]

00:23:08   there's a tsa guys who's been standing [TS]

00:23:10   there saying the same thing 40 times an [TS]

00:23:12   hour i think your bags out of your blab [TS]

00:23:14   put your barbarian popular saving having [TS]

00:23:17   a half but he's easy he's seen it all [TS]

00:23:19   and like no matter he or she and no [TS]

00:23:22   matter how often they tell you the signs [TS]

00:23:24   are there everybody knows this stuff [TS]

00:23:26   should know this stuff at this point [TS]

00:23:27   he's traveling but it's a hell job [TS]

00:23:29   because there's still no it's the [TS]

00:23:31   ultimate Sisyphean job and in some ways [TS]

00:23:33   that's a little bit with the DMV would [TS]

00:23:35   have to be like nobody's happy to be [TS]

00:23:36   there except that you know that's the [TS]

00:23:38   incredible thing just I mean the airport [TS]

00:23:40   is one of those one of those experiences [TS]

00:23:43   that we all share where it's like oh my [TS]

00:23:44   god I'm in the mass of humanity here and [TS]

00:23:47   the TSA is the choke point where you [TS]

00:23:52   know the faster people cannot get [TS]

00:23:54   through a system faster the competent [TS]

00:23:56   people cannot get through more [TS]

00:23:57   confidently and yet that is even a [TS]

00:24:01   select group of people that have a [TS]

00:24:03   reason to fly on a plane you know [TS]

00:24:06   there's a built-in you-know-who not [TS]

00:24:09   quite a bias but people who have [TS]

00:24:10   traveled a lot are necessarily people [TS]

00:24:12   who can afford to travel a lot right [TS]

00:24:14   when what what is the percentage of I [TS]

00:24:15   mean I met so many people in the world [TS]

00:24:17   who have never been 15 miles from the [TS]

00:24:20   village they were born it let alone ever [TS]

00:24:24   do you know what I mean they've never [TS]

00:24:25   been here let alone having a first-hand [TS]

00:24:27   impression about a certain terminal at [TS]

00:24:30   LAX and how it's changed over 20 years [TS]

00:24:32   think about that for a minute yeah my [TS]

00:24:35   things are going to bad in your life if [TS]

00:24:37   you can be angry about a terminal [TS]

00:24:38   connector what the hell they change the [TS]

00:24:40   carpet God you know they change the [TS]

00:24:42   carpet in the Portland area really gross [TS]

00:24:44   there though [TS]

00:24:44   well of the LAX [TS]

00:24:46   come on they could do a better job but [TS]

00:24:47   like Portland Airport change their [TS]

00:24:49   carpet within the last year and I heard [TS]

00:24:52   by heard about it more than i'm sure [TS]

00:24:55   people heard about the moon landing [TS]

00:24:57   what happened you know just people like [TS]

00:24:59   oh my god how are we supposed to deal [TS]

00:25:01   with this carpet that something so this [TS]

00:25:04   is really ugly carpet everybody always [TS]

00:25:06   hated until they decided it was cool [TS]

00:25:08   yeah i'm going to say you know till it [TS]

00:25:10   since it is it's it's yeah thats people [TS]

00:25:13   are funny like that we we need things to [TS]

00:25:15   be the melancholy about you know I just [TS]

00:25:17   took a couple of airplane just recently [TS]

00:25:19   did they know I took them yeah I've got [TS]

00:25:22   them now they're i'm not giving them [TS]

00:25:25   back for me they had three the whip but [TS]

00:25:28   but you know what time to argue [TS]

00:25:30   what did I tell you that I was that i [TS]

00:25:32   received silver medallions tanks [TS]

00:25:35   well wow how was the ceremony was a [TS]

00:25:37   division meeting family along i did get [TS]

00:25:39   a certificate [TS]

00:25:40   it was a virtual selected to me now [TS]

00:25:42   today but they've gone [TS]

00:25:45   Morgan Roderick has achieved soon [TS]

00:25:48   medallion status for his ability to sit [TS]

00:25:50   on a plane for over 25,000 miles [TS]

00:25:54   hear ye hear ye hear ye oh oh yeah so I [TS]

00:26:00   got some Italian started a status and my [TS]

00:26:03   more well-traveled friends one of whom [TS]

00:26:07   is consistently a has a gold status my [TS]

00:26:11   friend Jason Finn had a nickname what we [TS]

00:26:14   have for many years he was just he was [TS]

00:26:15   called Goldmember dad because because [TS]

00:26:22   when he traveled he was obsessed with [TS]

00:26:24   his his mileage plans and for many years [TS]

00:26:28   it's like a version of sports for some [TS]

00:26:29   people it is but he was in the famous [TS]

00:26:32   band uh president the united states of [TS]

00:26:35   america who routinely flew to europe and [TS]

00:26:37   asia and australia and just going for a [TS]

00:26:40   weekend sometime say they would they [TS]

00:26:42   would fly to Belgium play it play Big [TS]

00:26:44   Show fly home you know they leave hunt [TS]

00:26:46   friday be back on Sunday [TS]

00:26:47   which was bananas to me but you know [TS]

00:26:49   they were paid very handsomely [TS]

00:26:51   but the thing is they would fly to [TS]

00:26:52   Australia and Jason would be in first [TS]

00:26:54   class and the rest of his band and crew [TS]

00:26:57   would be in coach and it's not that they [TS]

00:26:59   didn't all it's not that they could [TS]

00:27:01   involve in goldmember's it's just that [TS]

00:27:03   the other guys didn't bother to do the [TS]

00:27:07   paperwork and obsess over the over that [TS]

00:27:10   little bit of saving up your credits [TS]

00:27:12   right and so they get on the plane and [TS]

00:27:14   his bandmates were rightfully furious [TS]

00:27:16   but Jason would be like well then [TS]

00:27:19   manager manager miles and the thing is [TS]

00:27:23   Jason appointed himself to be the [TS]

00:27:25   traveled a coordinator for his band so [TS]

00:27:30   he made sure that they always flew on [TS]

00:27:32   the airlines that he was interested in [TS]

00:27:34   collecting miles on you know he had a [TS]

00:27:36   whole plan a project and I and I think [TS]

00:27:39   he he i could paraded his bandmates you [TS]

00:27:43   should do this you should do this and [TS]

00:27:45   that you know and they just felt like it [TS]

00:27:46   was beneath their dignity but anyway I [TS]

00:27:48   so i have several friends who are gold [TS]

00:27:50   members but then I also have one famous [TS]

00:27:52   friend that you and I both know who has [TS]

00:27:55   just achieved dymond status haha [TS]

00:27:58   judgment [TS]

00:27:59   yeah he was platinum for a long time and [TS]

00:28:01   then he be whenever he actually made a [TS]

00:28:05   specious cross-country trip for no other [TS]

00:28:08   reason than to achieve diamond status at [TS]

00:28:11   the very end of the year it was just [TS]

00:28:12   like well you're only 5,000 miles away [TS]

00:28:14   from diamond status and he was like [TS]

00:28:15   alright I'm fly somebody in Portland was [TS]

00:28:18   like I'll give you fifty fifty dollars [TS]

00:28:20   to show up for the opening of this [TS]

00:28:21   bottle of wine and and jon was like you [TS]

00:28:24   know what I'll do it just to achieve so [TS]

00:28:28   now he's diamond students and so I you [TS]

00:28:31   know spy rope i wrote an email i have [TS]

00:28:33   element to a few people I was like I [TS]

00:28:36   just got Silver's datas look at me [TS]

00:28:40   and I got back all these condescending [TS]

00:28:44   emails [TS]

00:28:45   congratulations i hope you know that [TS]

00:28:48   silver status accord you nothing you [TS]

00:28:52   know there was seriously like it was [TS]

00:28:55   like The Dukes and Earls were [TS]

00:28:58   congratulating somebody that got an MBE [TS]

00:29:00   like the lowest grade would be like it [TS]

00:29:03   would be like telling like a Rothschild [TS]

00:29:05   you just bought stock [TS]

00:29:06   yeah I got some star gotta stock hey [TS]

00:29:09   look at me and so I got all this kind of [TS]

00:29:13   all this like shade thrown at me about [TS]

00:29:16   my silver status like oh great silver [TS]

00:29:18   status you know they just give that to [TS]

00:29:19   you to like to like get you on the hook [TS]

00:29:22   so that's exactly the first big payout [TS]

00:29:25   of the night on nickel slots [TS]

00:29:27   uh-huh it's like this will keep him here [TS]

00:29:29   for a while because now now that thing [TS]

00:29:31   is it it's a little bit of how do you [TS]

00:29:33   refer to it as a white white ribbon is [TS]

00:29:35   that what you call it [TS]

00:29:36   oh well yeah i would call it the white [TS]

00:29:38   ribbon that's right the way you've got [TS]

00:29:39   the white ribbon to the console you know [TS]

00:29:41   it's it's either the third-place finish [TS]

00:29:43   or in some cases the participation the [TS]

00:29:46   participation i think is standard coach [TS]

00:29:48   but I mean white you know really maybe [TS]

00:29:50   it's like getting a sixth-place rabbit [TS]

00:29:52   was like I didn't know they made ribbon [TS]

00:29:54   for its but somebody had to take the [TS]

00:29:57   time to figure out I'd like tied for [TS]

00:29:58   sixth yeah it's the brown ribbon it's [TS]

00:30:00   right but I mean it's like even when I [TS]

00:30:02   kinda hate talking about airplanes [TS]

00:30:04   you've got to stop but like I for me [TS]

00:30:06   like uh I mean even being in that [TS]

00:30:09   business class or first but like when [TS]

00:30:11   you get like the priority boarding and [TS]

00:30:12   like you paid to get in like they know [TS]

00:30:14   for me that's if I can afford it when I [TS]

00:30:16   flyer something else is paying for me [TS]

00:30:18   that's always virgins main cabin select [TS]

00:30:21   right which is great [TS]

00:30:22   it's so great because it's already it's [TS]

00:30:24   very close to business class or at first [TS]

00:30:26   it's so great to get all the free TV get [TS]

00:30:28   all the free food you get all the free [TS]

00:30:29   alcohol you get a nice big chair to sit [TS]

00:30:31   in but chairs on engine and typically [TS]

00:30:34   you are then seated next to someone who [TS]

00:30:36   also understands not to talk to you [TS]

00:30:38   yeah absolutely United you a very very [TS]

00:30:40   quick polite greeting at the beginning [TS]

00:30:42   and then you you maybe something after [TS]

00:30:44   the wheels hit the runway [TS]

00:30:46   no I totally agree you stare at your [TS]

00:30:47   device maybe we'll get somebody they [TS]

00:30:49   don't get somebody with a large pizza [TS]

00:30:51   and 200 papers to grade [TS]

00:30:53   haha i'll never forget this woman this [TS]

00:30:54   woman walked into the middle seat with a [TS]

00:30:56   pizza that was larger than her [TS]

00:30:58   why uh so but then the thing is it's [TS]

00:31:01   with all these statuses and it's [TS]

00:31:02   hilarious i'm sure there's been a [TS]

00:31:03   million stand-up it's about this but all [TS]

00:31:05   the status is where you start with like [TS]

00:31:07   you know military people in uniform and [TS]

00:31:08   people disabilities kids and then you go [TS]

00:31:11   through like it's hilarious to me there [TS]

00:31:13   must be like six different statuses [TS]

00:31:15   million milers then diamond-- then ya [TS]

00:31:18   gotta be gotta you know what I'm trying [TS]

00:31:20   to think on on some of you guys always [TS]

00:31:21   something like international class path [TS]

00:31:24   slide number so there's the highest [TS]

00:31:25   level and then you go through all the [TS]

00:31:26   different metals at and it's incredible [TS]

00:31:29   because like even we paid to have the [TS]

00:31:30   earlier seating it what you really [TS]

00:31:33   gotten is you are the people who board [TS]

00:31:35   right before the the bad people who get [TS]

00:31:38   there extra you know that that first 40 [TS]

00:31:40   people on the plane that are all those [TS]

00:31:41   statuses are also the people that know [TS]

00:31:44   how to get on an airplane they know that [TS]

00:31:46   they're all carrying small bags if you [TS]

00:31:49   notice [TS]

00:31:50   usually you know there's very few [TS]

00:31:51   billion a lot of leakage back into the [TS]

00:31:54   larger bag that is really there's that [TS]

00:31:56   that's happening that's that's chronic [TS]

00:31:58   right but now but you're not going to [TS]

00:32:00   see somebody with with platinum status [TS]

00:32:03   that's carrying loose fruit that's [TS]

00:32:05   carrying a butt like a huge huge bag [TS]

00:32:09   another huge bag on top of it then an [TS]

00:32:11   accordion in its case and then a monkey [TS]

00:32:13   and you know and then a huge bag of [TS]

00:32:17   monkey chow the airline said the monkey [TS]

00:32:19   consider my life with talking about [TS]

00:32:21   though it's a service monkey it's in lab [TS]

00:32:23   monkey [TS]

00:32:23   anyway the point of the point of this [TS]

00:32:25   every day that a pizza right the order [TS]

00:32:29   canada tuna fish is yellow you up pizza [TS]

00:32:31   and take-out playing my god i I've done [TS]

00:32:33   it [TS]

00:32:34   Oh Jonathan airport one time I was like [TS]

00:32:36   wait a minute you'll sell me an entire [TS]

00:32:37   pizza and they were like yes and I was [TS]

00:32:38   like sold this is that is such a hate [TS]

00:32:41   crime [TS]

00:32:41   no I took it on the plane and I was like [TS]

00:32:43   well we got a pizza in the people next [TS]

00:32:45   we were like oh my god I was like are [TS]

00:32:47   you kidding me everything on a piece [TS]

00:32:49   everything smells so much worse on a [TS]

00:32:51   plane what is because it mingles with [TS]

00:32:53   the parts of the air conditioning is it [TS]

00:32:55   the long tube is not gonna let that [TS]

00:32:56   escaping simply says brings a fucking [TS]

00:32:58   hoagie on [TS]

00:32:59   listen you know the guy next to me is [TS]

00:33:00   probably took his shoes off you know and [TS]

00:33:02   there it was just like I've got a pizza [TS]

00:33:04   is [TS]

00:33:05   it was one of the few moments I got on a [TS]

00:33:07   plane and I turned into like a like a [TS]

00:33:10   four-year-old monkey right like I was [TS]

00:33:12   just like I have pizza haha hey boss man [TS]

00:33:17   in any case yes so back to silver status [TS]

00:33:22   out five of the six flights I've taken [TS]

00:33:25   since i got silver status five five out [TS]

00:33:28   of the six I was upgraded to first class [TS]

00:33:30   what as a silver status is unheard of [TS]

00:33:33   for free just I get to the airport i'm [TS]

00:33:36   i'm i'm walking in you know of course i [TS]

00:33:38   have pre-check because I must thank you [TS]

00:33:40   know your stance on no no no I wouldn't [TS]

00:33:44   fly united if the world had come to an [TS]

00:33:46   end and they were the only flight and it [TS]

00:33:48   was a flight away from erupting volcano [TS]

00:33:50   found to see your daughter out of the [TS]

00:33:52   Apocalypse there's what's he left once [TS]

00:33:54   he left no you i will die here in the [TS]

00:33:56   lava flow before i get our unit she's [TS]

00:33:58   like it not me [TS]

00:33:59   no no we all die we all die ok whatever [TS]

00:34:03   like they're like jet airline you know I [TS]

00:34:05   don't want to give free advertising to [TS]

00:34:07   some stupid airline I think they're all [TS]

00:34:09   garbage but i don't have people listen [TS]

00:34:10   the show jon was fucking airline is it [TS]

00:34:12   haha i fly delta well no they're [TS]

00:34:16   terrible they're all terrible but Delta [TS]

00:34:19   so anyway Jason Finn sends me he sends [TS]

00:34:21   me he's like when he realizes that i'm [TS]

00:34:24   interested in this stuff because and [TS]

00:34:27   what got me interested frankly couple [TS]

00:34:30   years ago I did 50 flights in a year and [TS]

00:34:33   I just was i was going online and just [TS]

00:34:34   picking flights based on how cheap they [TS]

00:34:36   were and then I flew to Africa with [TS]

00:34:40   jonathan coulton yeah right who got [TS]

00:34:42   upgraded across the ocean and SAT up [TS]

00:34:46   there basically pouring glasses of free [TS]

00:34:50   wine on the carpet [TS]

00:34:51   he can get up slave while i was back in [TS]

00:34:55   coach you know uh well which was a you [TS]

00:34:58   know which was like but like Tatooine [TS]

00:35:01   and then we get to Paris and Jonathan [TS]

00:35:08   gets upgraded on an air france flight [TS]

00:35:10   229 me needs air [TS]

00:35:14   there ain't no upgrade like an air [TS]

00:35:15   france upgrade we're just like you get [TS]

00:35:17   the what and he's like as part of the [TS]

00:35:19   fuckin star alliance or whatever see you [TS]

00:35:21   later dork and went up there and was [TS]

00:35:25   basically I mean it when he was [TS]

00:35:26   basically like in an apology hat hitting [TS]

00:35:29   people over the head with a loaf of [TS]

00:35:30   French bread with and I think you know [TS]

00:35:35   and i'm back in coach on a flight on an [TS]

00:35:38   air france flight and it's just like [TS]

00:35:39   okay all right well there are two [TS]

00:35:42   banthas down there [TS]

00:35:43   what's it that's right that's right i [TS]

00:35:48   had my it doesn't like you I don't like [TS]

00:35:53   you either just one good sir [TS]

00:35:56   when he get out of France yeah give me a [TS]

00:35:59   break you just watch yourself because [TS]

00:36:01   couple yeah it's like it's like the guy [TS]

00:36:03   that makes eyeballs in Blade Runner not [TS]

00:36:07   the guy that makes eyeballs because it [TS]

00:36:08   tells him where to get the guy that [TS]

00:36:09   makes eyeballs haha the guy the guy in [TS]

00:36:11   the cold room that one guy that's in [TS]

00:36:12   everything that's right [TS]

00:36:13   what's his name should know his name he [TS]

00:36:15   isn't everything inside until he's the [TS]

00:36:17   he's the 10 minutes 5 10 minutes [TS]

00:36:20   mm because the best anyway i'll cut this [TS]

00:36:21   up in a cage really want a Celine and [TS]

00:36:24   JAC just moved in Apalachee hat [TS]

00:36:26   yeah so then i get back to America and I [TS]

00:36:28   run in Jason Finn my close friend and [TS]

00:36:30   adviser and consigliere and I say Jason [TS]

00:36:34   with the hell [TS]

00:36:35   jonathan coulton smugly flew all the way [TS]

00:36:37   across the world like just just content [TS]

00:36:42   in it and with his fucking i went to [TS]

00:36:44   Yale card in his wallet so he feels like [TS]

00:36:47   that's all just part of its all what he [TS]

00:36:49   deserves you-know-who and I'm like how [TS]

00:36:51   do i what am I supposed to do and jason [TS]

00:36:53   said first mistake you fly on whatever [TS]

00:36:55   airline you need to you need to pick an [TS]

00:36:57   airline and stick with it [TS]

00:36:58   second mistake don't make the don't make [TS]

00:37:01   the second mistake and he sent me a long [TS]

00:37:04   he sent me these links to websites where [TS]

00:37:08   people talk about their mileage plans I [TS]

00:37:11   stood in one of these people there are [TS]

00:37:13   websites where people do nothing but [TS]

00:37:15   rate airline mileage plans [TS]

00:37:17   yeah and the consensus is the Delta has [TS]

00:37:20   the best one even though it's not as [TS]

00:37:21   good as it used to be even though they [TS]

00:37:23   change the carpet in the portland [TS]

00:37:24   airport like it's like being dropped [TS]

00:37:26   into the nicest oubliette [TS]

00:37:28   oh this is much less moist in the other [TS]

00:37:33   one but I i only have to wipe off my [TS]

00:37:36   glasses every every 20 minutes early [TS]

00:37:39   human shit into coordinates 0 5 stars so [TS]

00:37:43   so i signed up for it anyway so now I'm [TS]

00:37:45   you know in high hodgman and colder also [TS]

00:37:48   on delta and so Hodgman all the time he [TS]

00:37:51   loves to take me into the Delta Sky [TS]

00:37:53   Lounge in various airports and we go [TS]

00:37:56   into the delta sky lounge which is not a [TS]

00:37:58   place I would go under any circumstances [TS]

00:38:00   if i was living in an airport and I had [TS]

00:38:02   if I was one of those people who was in [TS]

00:38:04   immigration status where I had to live [TS]

00:38:06   in JFK for a year I would rather sleep [TS]

00:38:10   in front of us borrows then ever go into [TS]

00:38:13   a delta sky lounge it's just like the [TS]

00:38:15   most hateful place you're surrounded by [TS]

00:38:18   like just that could that creepy class [TS]

00:38:22   of young people that they're just there [TS]

00:38:25   there there so.there swaddled in [TS]

00:38:27   privilege and they're just so happy to [TS]

00:38:28   eat like fucking cookies out of those [TS]

00:38:30   little cupcake things like eating a free [TS]

00:38:32   bagel and a banana and they're just [TS]

00:38:34   gonna refill their fucking coffee [TS]

00:38:35   yes it's like Rose was like a coffee [TS]

00:38:37   machine and some bananas you know and [TS]

00:38:41   and and some copy of copies of [TS]

00:38:44   Businessweek like creating this but the [TS]

00:38:46   people are the worst then it's so bad [TS]

00:38:49   and hard-nosed they are he so he takes [TS]

00:38:51   me in there we sit in the comfortable [TS]

00:38:53   chairs and we look around and then it's [TS]

00:38:56   just one of those situations like look [TS]

00:38:57   at that asshole [TS]

00:38:58   oh my God look at this all coming in [TS]

00:39:00   here just like oh my god this is awful [TS]

00:39:02   but he loves to be in there and he loves [TS]

00:39:06   to bring me in there and so anyway so [TS]

00:39:09   I'm silver status and I'm just thinking [TS]

00:39:11   like wacko wacko right and then I get [TS]

00:39:14   upgraded to first class five out of six [TS]

00:39:15   times and I feel like that's unheard of [TS]

00:39:18   Jason I so I roll over on my belly and [TS]

00:39:21   I'm like Delta stroke my tummy [TS]

00:39:23   you know like I completely surrender all [TS]

00:39:25   my dignity and now i'm sitting in the [TS]

00:39:28   departure lounge i'm looking up at the [TS]

00:39:30   little screen and it's just like my name [TS]

00:39:32   is on the list my name is you know my [TS]

00:39:34   three-letter yeah representation of my [TS]

00:39:37   name is up there and then [TS]

00:39:39   that I come up to the gate and I'm like [TS]

00:39:40   come on Chabad couple i did you grow up [TS]

00:39:43   here i am j rod [TS]

00:39:45   hello hello come on come on come on [TS]

00:39:48   they're like thing and now all of a [TS]

00:39:50   sudden I'm sitting up front and I got a [TS]

00:39:52   golden take a happy people are nice to [TS]

00:39:55   me but the problem is on the last flight [TS]

00:39:57   the woman next to me discovered that I [TS]

00:40:00   was from Wales I don't know how I don't [TS]

00:40:02   you know I don't know what happened but [TS]

00:40:04   I was just a I let it slip out that my [TS]

00:40:07   people were from Wales right okay she [TS]

00:40:10   was speaking with an accent and I can't [TS]

00:40:13   resist when someone speaking with an [TS]

00:40:16   accent hello and now you open the door [TS]

00:40:18   naked talk about whales [TS]

00:40:19   yeah I can't I can't I can't resist [TS]

00:40:21   being like so are you from likely blank [TS]

00:40:25   like it's just I can't stop myself right [TS]

00:40:29   so are you from Sumatra and it's just [TS]

00:40:32   this thing where I look at them and i'm [TS]

00:40:33   just guessing [TS]

00:40:35   I just want to guess where they're from [TS]

00:40:36   my one and i want to be i first of all I [TS]

00:40:39   want to guess whether from second of all [TS]

00:40:40   I want to be right because when you're [TS]

00:40:42   right and the person is like how did you [TS]

00:40:45   know I was from Sumatra most people [TS]

00:40:47   don't even know about that that exists [TS]

00:40:49   tonight and then you just like well i am [TS]

00:40:52   the most interesting man in the world so [TS]

00:40:54   I know where patterns on your elbow I [TS]

00:40:56   can tell exactly so I you know so I so I [TS]

00:41:00   guess she's from Bristol and i'm wrong [TS]

00:41:03   and then it turns out she's from Cardiff [TS]

00:41:07   and I'm like oh and I for a brief second [TS]

00:41:10   i sustain the possibility that this is [TS]

00:41:12   going to be an interesting conversation [TS]

00:41:13   even agent Don you this is a terrible [TS]

00:41:15   idea [TS]

00:41:16   yeah and then you know and pretty soon [TS]

00:41:19   she's talking to me about her graduate [TS]

00:41:21   thesis and I'm that she obviously did 35 [TS]

00:41:26   years ago and it was on the universality [TS]

00:41:29   of religions which normally would be an [TS]

00:41:32   interesting topic to me but in this [TS]

00:41:33   particular circumstance it was it was [TS]

00:41:36   not enjoyable and I and I ended up being [TS]

00:41:40   I ended up being the the rude person [TS]

00:41:42   that I never a.m. [TS]

00:41:43   which is that I I was like I've got to [TS]

00:41:45   go to the bathroom when I didn't got up [TS]

00:41:47   and went to the bathroom made myself go [TS]

00:41:50   and then came back and immediately [TS]

00:41:51   started doing the crossword in the end [TS]

00:41:53   inflight magazine yeah and you know and [TS]

00:41:56   I could feel I could feel for a moment a [TS]

00:41:59   little bit of of pregnancy between us [TS]

00:42:03   where she was like are we not going to [TS]

00:42:05   resume the conversation about my [TS]

00:42:06   master's thesis for my graduate thesis [TS]

00:42:08   right and I was like four letter word [TS]

00:42:12   for Tatooine so awkward because there [TS]

00:42:19   are some people that I i'm always amazed [TS]

00:42:21   because I I get very introverted on a [TS]

00:42:24   flight i dunno i mean i know i'm happy [TS]

00:42:27   to talk to be unique be gracious and say [TS]

00:42:29   thank you things like that but like I do [TS]

00:42:30   not want to give any signal that i would [TS]

00:42:33   like to have a conversation that has no [TS]

00:42:35   clear end to it right there are people [TS]

00:42:37   there are some people i don't know why [TS]

00:42:39   but I mean like you know it's i don't [TS]

00:42:41   know i'm already someone edge but like [TS]

00:42:42   some people really really want to talk [TS]

00:42:45   on a plane because they're nervous you [TS]

00:42:46   think well maybe because it just makes [TS]

00:42:48   this an exciting thing for them maybe [TS]

00:42:49   they're excited to be on the plane [TS]

00:42:50   perfect they want to talk all the time i [TS]

00:42:53   mean i think that there are lots and [TS]

00:42:54   lots of people that just that want to [TS]

00:42:56   talk you know I i I've been thinking a [TS]

00:43:01   lot about this lately that they're you [TS]

00:43:03   know we talked about emotional [TS]

00:43:04   intelligence and intellectual [TS]

00:43:06   intelligence and and only only recently [TS]

00:43:10   I think have people even gotten [TS]

00:43:12   comfortable talking about emotional [TS]

00:43:13   intelligence there was intelligence and [TS]

00:43:17   then it was at and it was presumed that [TS]

00:43:19   emotions were the opposite of [TS]

00:43:22   intelligence right i mean when i was a [TS]

00:43:25   kid or even until recently emotional [TS]

00:43:29   reactions emotional behavior was like [TS]

00:43:31   whoa whoa you know why are you having an [TS]

00:43:34   emotional reaction you should be [TS]

00:43:35   reasonable and rational here i think [TS]

00:43:38   there are tons and tons of people that [TS]

00:43:40   still believe that that emotion is [TS]

00:43:43   unpredictable unreliable and the [TS]

00:43:46   opposite of being smart but there are a [TS]

00:43:50   lot of us that now are able to talk [TS]

00:43:52   about an emotional intelligence which is [TS]

00:43:54   different and [TS]

00:43:56   compatible with intellectual [TS]

00:43:58   intelligence and any I think part of [TS]

00:44:02   emotional intelligence is not just being [TS]

00:44:03   intelligent your emotions but other [TS]

00:44:05   people that's our daughters access the [TS]

00:44:07   real intelligence a hundred percent but [TS]

00:44:09   but the ability to the ability to [TS]

00:44:12   transact and converse in the world of [TS]

00:44:16   emotion without feeling like it's [TS]

00:44:19   strange or or a you know that that that [TS]

00:44:25   was as is invalid or danger is outright [TS]

00:44:28   that my immigrant when my good friend [TS]

00:44:30   Mike Squires once said to me [TS]

00:44:31   emotions are real and we stared at each [TS]

00:44:34   other in that moment and I was like it [TS]

00:44:36   was lightning bolt like my cot emotions [TS]

00:44:38   are real and he was like emotions are [TS]

00:44:40   real said it three or four times it was [TS]

00:44:42   like it was like Robin was talking to [TS]

00:44:44   matt damon emotions are real emotions [TS]

00:44:48   are real until I started crying and I [TS]

00:44:51   was like wow emotions are real emotions [TS]

00:44:53   are real emotions are real [TS]

00:44:56   Wow but i've just recently started to [TS]

00:44:59   think about a kind of physical [TS]

00:45:01   intelligence of physical that this [TS]

00:45:03   physicality that we see in people that [TS]

00:45:06   is not just a gift in terms of I can [TS]

00:45:11   jump i can run fast I can dance well but [TS]

00:45:15   it's actually a way of expressing [TS]

00:45:16   oneself that that they that they need to [TS]

00:45:23   do it in some cases is their primary [TS]

00:45:26   language and there and when they're [TS]

00:45:30   unable to express themselves physically [TS]

00:45:32   they are you know they're hampered and [TS]

00:45:38   this is the thing that I was also [TS]

00:45:39   contemptuous of you know like it's just [TS]

00:45:42   they're just a jock right just somebody [TS]

00:45:45   that fucking wants to dance like when [TS]

00:45:47   are they going to sit down so that we [TS]

00:45:49   can get real and it was my lack of [TS]

00:45:52   understanding that that was as real as [TS]

00:45:54   it got for them this you know the [TS]

00:45:57   physical expression it's not you know [TS]

00:46:00   and i think part of the part of my [TS]

00:46:02   prejudice is that the physical temporal [TS]

00:46:06   material world seems [TS]

00:46:09   less lesser than the psycho-spiritual [TS]

00:46:14   world who um but you know the material [TS]

00:46:19   world is all we've got our bodies are [TS]

00:46:21   all we have [TS]

00:46:22   so I'm just trying to learn I'm trying [TS]

00:46:25   to study that and learn it and it's part [TS]

00:46:28   of having empathy for even more people [TS]

00:46:31   and realizing that some of the behaviors [TS]

00:46:34   that I think some of the behaviors that [TS]

00:46:36   that annoy me are actually someone [TS]

00:46:40   else's language and I should stop being [TS]

00:46:42   annoyed and start listening to them [TS]

00:46:44   that's good [TS]

00:46:45   it's weird it's a good one because you [TS]

00:46:47   look at him and you know and it's just [TS]

00:46:48   like stop spazzing or or you know like [TS]

00:46:52   stop being so good at dancing and and in [TS]

00:46:58   fact it's you know it's how they it's [TS]

00:47:00   how they're trying to communicate so i [TS]

00:47:04   don't and i still this is still [TS]

00:47:05   experimental for me you know but it but [TS]

00:47:08   it seems but it seems right and [TS]

00:47:10   sometimes you get you get seated next to [TS]

00:47:12   somebody like that on an airplane and [TS]

00:47:14   and you know they're using spoken [TS]

00:47:17   language and it's already a second [TS]

00:47:20   language to them because what they [TS]

00:47:21   really want to be doing is dancing or [TS]

00:47:23   throwing a football or it you know [TS]

00:47:27   expressing expressing this whole [TS]

00:47:29   physicality as a primary language yeah [TS]

00:47:32   yeah yeah what kind of what kind of [TS]

00:47:34   place do you see that to mean obviously [TS]

00:47:35   would be a dancer a dancer somebody that [TS]

00:47:39   you know somebody that is hyper in shape [TS]

00:47:43   because I and i'm thinking more here of [TS]

00:47:45   the gross movements of the body rather [TS]

00:47:48   than the final ones like I'm not sure [TS]

00:47:49   that being good at life drawing you know [TS]

00:47:52   i think that's that's a different kind [TS]

00:47:54   of thing we're talking about we're [TS]

00:47:54   talking about people who do big [TS]

00:47:56   movements gymnast but you know the [TS]

00:48:01   dancers are interesting because it's so [TS]

00:48:02   athletic but also so very expressive [TS]

00:48:05   right right right i mean it is but but [TS]

00:48:09   but there but I guess that's the thing [TS]

00:48:11   like dance we can we can see right it is [TS]

00:48:14   a language is a language of dance well I [TS]

00:48:17   mean I its and could be eating you can [TS]

00:48:19   get stuff like my my guess and stuff [TS]

00:48:21   like that but I I'm just [TS]

00:48:22   talking about like there's all the stuff [TS]

00:48:24   that we think about as like the [TS]

00:48:25   applications of intelligent people all [TS]

00:48:27   the stuff like all the knowledge work [TS]

00:48:29   jobs and creating jobs right so writing [TS]

00:48:32   it's writing as an example with this [TS]

00:48:35   writing music writing prose in a non [TS]

00:48:37   fiction fiction but in the case of [TS]

00:48:40   dancing its that's very interesting [TS]

00:48:41   because the only way to really get [TS]

00:48:43   dancing is to dance [TS]

00:48:45   I mean yes obviously you can also write [TS]

00:48:46   about dancing you could do movies about [TS]

00:48:48   dancing but its experience about [TS]

00:48:50   architecture you can dance if you want [TS]

00:48:51   to and some junkies talked about a lot [TS]

00:48:54   with video games is like it's not Marlon [TS]

00:48:56   I was just recently a identically [TS]

00:48:59   instructed on how to pronounce Sarek [TS]

00:49:03   user yeah i like to get into it so [TS]

00:49:04   they're accusing into it and sell oh uh [TS]

00:49:07   these words cannot collide applied but [TS]

00:49:10   like with him [TS]

00:49:11   I still can't get it right but take out [TS]

00:49:14   the coos you gotta get this year no [TS]

00:49:16   kudos and no clues that we don't want to [TS]

00:49:18   hear my whole life I've been trying to [TS]

00:49:19   take out the cool huh [TS]

00:49:22   so take out the crews take out the kids [TS]

00:49:26   bro [TS]

00:49:27   what was I saying yes so in his case [TS]

00:49:30   like I you know interested in video [TS]

00:49:32   games and playing very gently with some [TS]

00:49:34   video games but you know my God look [TS]

00:49:36   there's some of these run really [TS]

00:49:37   interested in the story of it where I [TS]

00:49:39   want to just watch people play it like a [TS]

00:49:40   movie and he's like that's the thing the [TS]

00:49:42   video game is not a movie like it looks [TS]

00:49:44   like a movie but when you're playing at [TS]

00:49:46   the the experience of playing one of [TS]

00:49:48   these very immersive video games is very [TS]

00:49:50   very different [TS]

00:49:50   I can't understand that because i [TS]

00:49:52   haven't played them and exit don't know [TS]

00:49:53   how to play them just as I can [TS]

00:49:55   understand that dance is its own [TS]

00:49:56   language of expression even though I [TS]

00:49:58   can't dance so a video game is not a [TS]

00:50:00   movie it's more like a masturbation hole [TS]

00:50:02   in a wall [TS]

00:50:03   no oh that's funny but no it's not i [TS]

00:50:06   don't even think it's funny that I'm [TS]

00:50:08   just trying to get angry letters because [TS]

00:50:09   I had such a good time last week so [TS]

00:50:11   don't be angry letters but what I was [TS]

00:50:14   gonna do [TS]

00:50:15   yeah i think the 61st understand John [TS]

00:50:18   you you you made a distinction just now [TS]

00:50:21   about gross motor skills versus fine but [TS]

00:50:25   when I think about the really best [TS]

00:50:28   surgeons you know there is we think of [TS]

00:50:32   them as as knowledge workers right there [TS]

00:50:35   they're good at science and happen to [TS]

00:50:36   have access to a scalpel yeah they're [TS]

00:50:38   they're highly highly educated and so we [TS]

00:50:42   admire them but really what sets [TS]

00:50:44   brilliant surgeons apart is the [TS]

00:50:47   physicality their ability to do Micro [TS]

00:50:51   Micro stuff with their hands and about [TS]

00:50:55   the duration of having to stand there [TS]

00:50:56   and do like open-heart surgery for 4-6 [TS]

00:50:58   hours of right so so it's really their [TS]

00:51:01   their natural gift in their body when [TS]

00:51:05   combined with their education that makes [TS]

00:51:08   them so gifted and that's the you know [TS]

00:51:12   it may be that there they are actually [TS]

00:51:16   people who express themselves in [TS]

00:51:19   physicality or super good you know [TS]

00:51:22   draftsman you know it it is a it is a [TS]

00:51:26   physical talent that has been honed into [TS]

00:51:30   a skill by practicing education just as [TS]

00:51:32   just as leaping high or a putting on [TS]

00:51:38   putting on a gold crown and and leaping [TS]

00:51:43   high she if she wants right so this [TS]

00:51:48   thing i did officially might think i'm [TS]

00:51:50   making is that did you know if you think [TS]

00:51:55   about it like a Venn diagram like a very [TS]

00:51:56   very complex and diagram there's all [TS]

00:51:58   these different kinds of skills that are [TS]

00:51:59   involved we can arbitrarily put into [TS]

00:52:01   these different areas even though [TS]

00:52:02   there's lots of overflow you know there [TS]

00:52:03   are some kinds of things and this could [TS]

00:52:05   even get into the knee high [TS]

00:52:06   csikszentmihalyi idea of flow well hello [TS]

00:52:09   will just say it's a selection of a [TS]

00:52:11   stroke [TS]

00:52:12   nope nope talked about a lot of [TS]

00:52:14   different places but he's this guy [TS]

00:52:15   writes a lot about creativity and what [TS]

00:52:17   he calls flow and he's created this is [TS]

00:52:19   very interesting matrix of you could [TS]

00:52:20   pick up the y axis as the level of [TS]

00:52:22   challenge and the x axis as little skill [TS]

00:52:25   so suddenly that you are that you find [TS]

00:52:28   not very challenging and that you don't [TS]

00:52:30   aren't very good at you that causes [TS]

00:52:32   apathy whereas for example something [TS]

00:52:34   where you have a very high level of [TS]

00:52:36   challenge and very low level skill that [TS]

00:52:37   produces anxiety so think about you [TS]

00:52:39   attacking your mp3's that's a task that [TS]

00:52:42   has a very low level of challenge but a [TS]

00:52:43   very high level of skill and realizing [TS]

00:52:46   that's a crossword puzzle [TS]

00:52:47   what is on tagging your mp3's [TS]

00:52:49   tagging technically you know the way you [TS]

00:52:51   like to do your mp3 metadata back in the [TS]

00:52:52   day or like a crossword puzzle we did I [TS]

00:52:55   never did that [TS]

00:52:55   o Allah nice try buddy i remember when [TS]

00:53:00   you got your first laptop you spent a [TS]

00:53:02   long time making sure the metadata was [TS]

00:53:04   right [TS]

00:53:04   wow ok alright metadata all right okay [TS]

00:53:09   yes you got me no no but it's also it [TS]

00:53:11   could be anything it could be like you [TS]

00:53:12   know sometimes when you have a job and [TS]

00:53:14   you're sick of the kind of slow thinking [TS]

00:53:16   work that you have to do like you want [TS]

00:53:18   something really monkey brain it's nice [TS]

00:53:20   to go read your file now what I do is I [TS]

00:53:22   go into my contacts [TS]

00:53:24   oh god I go through my contacts with the [TS]

00:53:27   with a comb so often when i'm sitting in [TS]

00:53:29   someplace boring where I don't have [TS]

00:53:31   service and you never will never run out [TS]

00:53:32   of that relaxing exercise know what I'm [TS]

00:53:34   gonna do I'm gonna scare me to go to my [TS]

00:53:36   contacts and I'm gonna figure out all [TS]

00:53:38   the things that aren't courage and all [TS]

00:53:40   those people never duplicated Reverend [TS]

00:53:42   or a brother or its anyway but that [TS]

00:53:45   thing I'm just saying that connects and [TS]

00:53:46   so in his example two semis example so [TS]

00:53:49   then where you're highly challenge but [TS]

00:53:50   highly skilled produces a flow state and [TS]

00:53:52   that's where you don't have to think [TS]

00:53:53   about what you're doing real right i [TS]

00:53:56   mean where you may be thinking about it [TS]

00:53:57   but you lose track of time I think about [TS]

00:53:59   when you really get your groove on with [TS]

00:54:00   like doing something with a song and you [TS]

00:54:01   kind of like you disappear into it and [TS]

00:54:03   yeah so anyway this guy's like the only [TS]

00:54:05   thing Merlin that I'm really highly [TS]

00:54:07   skilled that is going through my [TS]

00:54:08   contacts with a comb [TS]

00:54:10   i mean i don't really i cannot think of [TS]

00:54:12   another thing okay i mean you know i [TS]

00:54:15   said i said at home sometimes and [TS]

00:54:18   separate tie tacks into little boxes [TS]

00:54:21   ok now what level of challenges that is [TS]

00:54:23   that low medium or high [TS]

00:54:24   no I mean it's it is I feel like em boy [TS]

00:54:29   that's a good question because if it's [TS]

00:54:31   if it's a highly skilled with a medium [TS]

00:54:33   level of challenge that's that produces [TS]

00:54:35   the feeling of control [TS]

00:54:36   that's right you know what there's no [TS]

00:54:37   challenge to it it's just pleasurable [TS]

00:54:40   that's relaxing better [TS]

00:54:43   you're right now what do i do that is [TS]

00:54:45   super challenging that I have a high [TS]

00:54:46   level of skill let's go through these so [TS]

00:54:48   for a high level of challenge if it's a [TS]

00:54:50   very high level of challenge and you [TS]

00:54:52   have a medium amount of skill that's [TS]

00:54:54   arousal that's like oh I can do this boo [TS]

00:54:56   and whereas again if you have a low [TS]

00:54:58   level of skill that's anxiety [TS]

00:55:01   how about that here's one if you have a [TS]

00:55:03   medium level of skill and you have a low [TS]

00:55:07   level of challenge that's boredom [TS]

00:55:10   so you go from apathy to board them to [TS]

00:55:11   relaxation anyone how higher skill is [TS]

00:55:14   you know what it is i have had an [TS]

00:55:15   interesting concept it is i have a high [TS]

00:55:17   level of skill and a high level of [TS]

00:55:19   challenge diagnosing other people's [TS]

00:55:21   problems that gives you flow you got the [TS]

00:55:23   flow i really have some flow and when [TS]

00:55:25   that gets going it's going really well [TS]

00:55:27   with my life and I'm like tell me more [TS]

00:55:29   about your life and then they tell you [TS]

00:55:31   and you're like hmm ok it's like [TS]

00:55:33   dangling porkchop and for a wolf ok [TS]

00:55:35   let's get started here so let me ask you [TS]

00:55:37   a few questions i love that shit it's [TS]

00:55:39   just like oh I just I get into this [TS]

00:55:41   thing where I feel like I'm iceskating [TS]

00:55:42   the Olympics so I just wanted so this [TS]

00:55:45   does those kinds of things to qualify [TS]

00:55:47   that what kind of job is this what your [TS]

00:55:48   skills but then the the distinction the [TS]

00:55:50   biggest distinction i was making in my [TS]

00:55:51   head and I can't think of many to fit [TS]

00:55:54   this is in order to produce the thing [TS]

00:55:57   that you produce primarily with your job [TS]

00:55:59   doesn't require any large muscle group [TS]

00:56:02   apart from the gluteus right so you [TS]

00:56:04   might have to move some office supplies [TS]

00:56:05   around but mostly even if you're an [TS]

00:56:07   architect you're mostly like you know [TS]

00:56:09   you're using finer finer skills you're [TS]

00:56:11   not using your shoulders that much right [TS]

00:56:13   i mean units that i'm trying to get [TS]

00:56:14   stuff besides dance and construction [TS]

00:56:17   work like what are some other kinds of [TS]

00:56:18   jobs where the primary thing that you do [TS]

00:56:20   I mean how many jobs are the primary [TS]

00:56:22   thing you do requires the coordination [TS]

00:56:24   of large muscle groups that isn't like a [TS]

00:56:26   blue-collar job how many yoga [TS]

00:56:27   instructors are there little that's true [TS]

00:56:30   there are there are there are two [TS]

00:56:32   thousand yoga instructors for every [TS]

00:56:34   3,000 people that's mandated certainly [TS]

00:56:37   the other council certainly in the world [TS]

00:56:39   that I live in at whenever somebody like [TS]

00:56:42   whenever somebody's going through a life [TS]

00:56:44   change right become a yoga instructor [TS]

00:56:46   and you get audited by the other counsel [TS]

00:56:49   you account for the council did you [TS]

00:56:50   notice I'm carrying that then I did I [TS]

00:56:52   ever tell you about the time I was in [TS]

00:56:53   her book vancouver hotel room [TS]

00:56:55   and I was laying in bed and I turn on [TS]

00:56:59   the television and the channel that the [TS]

00:57:01   cable was on i think it might have even [TS]

00:57:03   been the maybe ice maybe I click the [TS]

00:57:06   button once to get off of the hotel [TS]

00:57:10   yeah they're all about the way too loud [TS]

00:57:11   all about the hotel stay on being that [TS]

00:57:13   are welcome to the black hotel so I [TS]

00:57:17   clean reading is available till 11pm try [TS]

00:57:20   our spa would you like to wear a watch [TS]

00:57:22   an adult movie hot stone massage so i [TS]

00:57:25   clicked on that I click on the button [TS]

00:57:27   once and it immediately went to the yoga [TS]

00:57:30   channel which I had never seen and I [TS]

00:57:34   believe may be exclusive to Canada and [TS]

00:57:37   so I was like yoga channel let's see [TS]

00:57:40   what this is about and I laid back on my [TS]

00:57:42   pillow while this woman did yoga and [TS]

00:57:49   then it was clearly her she was [TS]

00:57:51   narrating her yoga practice but but you [TS]

00:57:55   know like an overdub her so as she did [TS]

00:57:58   the yoga she was also describing what [TS]

00:57:59   she was doing but but you couldn't see [TS]

00:58:01   her mouth move because she was consumed [TS]

00:58:03   by the yoga and she had a physicality [TS]

00:58:06   that was unbelievable like the her [TS]

00:58:09   flexibility and her the ability to do [TS]

00:58:11   these yoga's and I watched for [TS]

00:58:15   half-an-hour completely like drawn in [TS]

00:58:20   who in a in a sense like what is she [TS]

00:58:23   going to do next right [TS]

00:58:25   like is she going to thread herself [TS]

00:58:27   through the eye of a needle is this the [TS]

00:58:29   path tab what you know is she doing [TS]

00:58:34   permanent damage to herself she doesn't [TS]

00:58:36   appear she looks very blissed-out and [TS]

00:58:38   the thing was that her her narration was [TS]

00:58:40   constant and by the tone of her voice [TS]

00:58:42   and by her narration I knew that she was [TS]

00:58:45   not going through the eye of a needle [TS]

00:58:47   into heaven because I found her annoying [TS]

00:58:50   and I'm sure God would to ever [TS]

00:58:52   yeah but Wow a fantastic expression of [TS]

00:58:57   like physical communication [TS]

00:59:00   so that was probably the other ones too [TS]

00:59:03   i guess in some ways being a trainer or [TS]

00:59:06   coach would be another one is not that [TS]

00:59:09   many you know performing or visual arts [TS]

00:59:11   that require big muscles but I mean a [TS]

00:59:13   footballer a baseball sure basketballer [TS]

00:59:16   rockier hockey as they say in the DA [TS]

00:59:21   write a a mean all of the sporters and [TS]

00:59:27   then I even a racecar driver [TS]

00:59:30   oh sure accounts that's that's pretty [TS]

00:59:33   good supposedly pretty grueling you're [TS]

00:59:34   just sitting there you know you're not [TS]

00:59:36   riding the car you're driving it [TS]

00:59:37   that's right and so tell me what do you [TS]

00:59:40   think about skyscraper window washer uh [TS]

00:59:44   well it's an interesting job to me right [TS]

00:59:46   because you have to have a native i [TS]

00:59:49   think a native ability to get up there [TS]

00:59:52   on that scaffold and not and not be [TS]

00:59:56   wearing adult diapers every day [TS]

00:59:57   oh yeah I also think about things like [TS]

00:59:57   oh yeah I also think about things like [TS]

01:00:00   there's also these jobs that are such a [TS]

01:00:02   like a corner case or an edge case think [TS]

01:00:04   about being a piano tuner what a weird [TS]

01:00:07   job that is your been a room in a [TS]

01:00:09   pianist be in tune mean it's really [TS]

01:00:11   maddening [TS]

01:00:11   are you kidding me that's another thing [TS]

01:00:12   like the yoga channel I can't leave a [TS]

01:00:14   room where pianos being you can all my [TS]

01:00:16   goodness i remember the day in second [TS]

01:00:17   grade when they tune the upright piano [TS]

01:00:19   in our class and I thought my lunch I [TS]

01:00:20   was going to lose my mind [TS]

01:00:21   no well you know dial when I learned [TS]

01:00:27   about tempering a piano [TS]

01:00:29   oh my god i SAT around thinking I still [TS]

01:00:31   think I really think I thought made that [TS]

01:00:33   up idea at any temperature clavier well [TS]

01:00:36   they do it you know of it and where [TS]

01:00:38   everything is just where where things [TS]

01:00:40   are slightly out of tune as they [TS]

01:00:41   progress away from middle C and if [TS]

01:00:45   they're not out of tune if they're all [TS]

01:00:46   perfectly in tune the piano sounds [TS]

01:00:49   bonkers and unfriendly so you have to [TS]

01:00:52   you know things have to be and I hear [TS]

01:00:54   about here this about guitar all the [TS]

01:00:56   time I remember Eddie Van Halen speaking [TS]

01:00:58   to me directly through the television [TS]

01:01:00   back when there was still an MTV and he [TS]

01:01:05   described that the b string on a guitar [TS]

01:01:09   needs to be just slightly flat just a [TS]

01:01:12   few cents flat in order for the guitar [TS]

01:01:14   chords to sound nice [TS]

01:01:18   and if your b string is tuned perfectly [TS]

01:01:23   you're always going to feel a little bit [TS]

01:01:24   out of tune which is why which is why I [TS]

01:01:26   you know if you go with an electric [TS]

01:01:29   tuner and you're just you're just really [TS]

01:01:31   nailing the tuning it's always a little [TS]

01:01:33   bit me and so having heard that in [TS]

01:01:36   nineteen eighty interesting in it be [TS]

01:01:39   what is the special nature of the be in [TS]

01:01:40   that case well the be kind of doesn't [TS]

01:01:42   belong almost later that's the that's [TS]

01:01:45   the magic you know the B is sort of them [TS]

01:01:49   the magic note where is the one way it [TS]

01:01:53   sits off [TS]

01:01:54   yeah it's kind of it's off by one it's [TS]

01:01:55   necessary to be there like that in order [TS]

01:01:58   to make chords easy to player in order [TS]

01:02:00   to make those three strings and imagine [TS]

01:02:03   how my brain so I'm sorry I'm gonna be [TS]

01:02:05   done four minutes they don't have a car [TS]

01:02:06   right in front of me but that's the one [TS]

01:02:08   that's not like a fifth at the second [TS]

01:02:10   that's right not like the others [TS]

01:02:12   it's so can you imagine [TS]

01:02:13   like if you were the person who's coming [TS]

01:02:14   up with the guitar like how your OCD [TS]

01:02:17   tendencies would certainly be to make [TS]

01:02:18   them all that way [TS]

01:02:19   oh it's your you ever had to make that [TS]

01:02:20   decision like how crazy that would make [TS]

01:02:22   you feel just like women one of them has [TS]

01:02:24   to be 11 step off but yeah it's actually [TS]

01:02:27   gonna work way better and then no no [TS]

01:02:29   there's no way that that's gonna make it [TS]

01:02:30   work better because that DG be in the [TS]

01:02:33   middle like so many guitar chords have [TS]

01:02:35   DG be either either ringing open or [TS]

01:02:40   barred as a as a single bar right that's [TS]

01:02:43   a little Cordy gb but that'd be kind of [TS]

01:02:46   em it just wants to be and so so my [TS]

01:02:50   whole career i have i have tempered my [TS]

01:02:53   be by a couple of sense when i'm tuning [TS]

01:02:56   with an electric tuner I never heard [TS]

01:02:57   this I never get it all the way to [TS]

01:03:00   perfect i just leave it a little tiny [TS]

01:03:02   bit flat and that's something that eddie [TS]

01:03:05   van halen told me and when eddie van [TS]

01:03:07   halen says something about guitars you [TS]

01:03:09   kind of just have to set up a little bit [TS]

01:03:11   and go alright alright Eddie Van Halen [TS]

01:03:13   tell me what I'm supposed to know you [TS]

01:03:15   say how high when he says jump [TS]

01:03:16   that's right now very Clapton it told me [TS]

01:03:18   that I wasn't like sure blues man but [TS]

01:03:22   eddie van halen a bag of dicks clapped [TS]

01:03:23   and inhaling invented a new he wanted a [TS]

01:03:27   new thing [TS]

01:03:28   yeah he's the reason at all to Darrell's [TS]

01:03:36   toccata to cup the Wow Bob river he [TS]

01:03:44   invented Browns brown sound have been at [TS]

01:03:47   the bride he invented the brown sound [TS]

01:03:49   and then did I don't you remember [TS]

01:03:51   self-same brown sound that makes people [TS]

01:03:53   poop theoretic no don't know that's a [TS]

01:03:55   ground Taylor that's the brownstone that [TS]

01:03:57   you know a lot of people use brownstone [TS]

01:03:59   in fact there was a clothing company in [TS]

01:04:00   the in the mid-2000s called Brown sound [TS]

01:04:03   and I think they were with a cop that [TS]

01:04:05   for many van Halen and they used to send [TS]

01:04:07   me free clothes huh [TS]

01:04:09   but they were one of those clothing [TS]

01:04:10   companies where an extra-large in brown [TS]

01:04:13   sound close fit like a medium in [TS]

01:04:17   carhartt clothes and I i was still [TS]

01:04:20   making the transition to a new dressing [TS]

01:04:23   like a sausage [TS]

01:04:24   don't remember that do you remember when [TS]

01:04:28   there was a there was a moment and i [TS]

01:04:30   think it was emo it was emo pioneered [TS]

01:04:33   this maybe maybe primo you remember when [TS]

01:04:36   they're low remember when there was a a [TS]

01:04:37   pre emo but it was already emo it's just [TS]

01:04:41   we hadn't invented that term yet i think [TS]

01:04:43   so i mean you're talking about the early [TS]

01:04:44   nineties mid-nineties yeah midnight the [TS]

01:04:47   earlier earlier like but after after [TS]

01:04:49   minor threat before Fugazi well i'm not [TS]

01:04:51   talking about the sound of the music i'm [TS]

01:04:53   talking about the style of the people [TS]

01:04:55   we're all of a sudden you know like [TS]

01:04:56   tight black not type like Levi's but [TS]

01:04:58   tired like Ted Leo it well except that [TS]

01:05:02   there was a moment that i recall when i [TS]

01:05:05   first started seeing chubby kids by [TS]

01:05:08   which i mean people that had my build [TS]

01:05:09   who wearing super tight clothes super [TS]

01:05:13   tight t-shirts super tight pants and I [TS]

01:05:15   remember the first time I saw it I was [TS]

01:05:17   like oh my god like that guy has my bill [TS]

01:05:22   which is to say dad bod [TS]

01:05:24   uh-huh or even a little bit more dad bod [TS]

01:05:28   more than dad bod but he's wearing [TS]

01:05:32   really tight clothes like he's proud of [TS]

01:05:33   his body like that's like that is an [TS]

01:05:36   acceptable rock and roll style and it [TS]

01:05:40   was a gizmo swings when close it did not [TS]

01:05:42   reflect the shame he's supposed to feel [TS]

01:05:43   that's right like that you excuse me sir [TS]

01:05:46   you should be dressed like a sleeping [TS]

01:05:48   bag [TS]

01:05:49   are you aware like I've called the [TS]

01:05:51   dignity please write I said are you will [TS]

01:05:53   rarely are you aware that you should not [TS]

01:05:55   feel this good about yourself [TS]

01:05:56   yeah for for all of recorded history [TS]

01:05:59   Shelby people have worn mousse and you [TS]

01:06:03   are fucking it up by wearing tight [TS]

01:06:05   clothes and yet and yet sitting over [TS]

01:06:10   here if I were talking if I were sitting [TS]

01:06:12   over here in a group of people I would [TS]

01:06:14   be duty-bound to say oh my God look at [TS]

01:06:17   that look at that dummy but sitting over [TS]

01:06:19   here by myself looking at you I can i [TS]

01:06:21   must confess that you look a little sexy [TS]

01:06:23   like you are a little bit of a husky [TS]

01:06:26   person and yet it is sexy to me but i [TS]

01:06:30   did not personally dare to go out of the [TS]

01:06:33   house wearing tight clothes heaven no I [TS]

01:06:37   mean [TS]

01:06:38   that was when I made that was when I [TS]

01:06:39   first made the transition to western [TS]

01:06:41   shirts oh maybe western shirts will do [TS]

01:06:44   the job of making me look like jay [TS]

01:06:46   farrar but also concealing that I was [TS]

01:06:50   husky it's the it's the it's the classic [TS]

01:06:53   mistake that husky people made shirts [TS]

01:06:55   are kinda like a form of razzle dazzle [TS]

01:06:56   camouflage exactly and I did am I wrong [TS]

01:06:59   am I just not just saying that to be [TS]

01:07:00   clever i think that might actually be [TS]

01:07:01   just exactly right right hard to tell [TS]

01:07:02   where you are exactly waiting camouflage [TS]

01:07:05   camouflage disguise your clothes western [TS]

01:07:07   shirts disguise your gut and yet they [TS]

01:07:10   disguise forgot and they make it seem [TS]

01:07:11   like you know what maybe I'm one of [TS]

01:07:13   those guys in Willie Nelson's band and [TS]

01:07:15   also but you know what it does is the [TS]

01:07:17   thing is like yeah you can wear a black [TS]

01:07:18   t-shirt you can wear a black dress shirt [TS]

01:07:20   but a western shirt it seems like an [TS]

01:07:22   added stiffness where with alongside the [TS]

01:07:25   razzle-dazzle decoration it kind of [TS]

01:07:28   throws off the ability to guess what [TS]

01:07:30   your chest to gut ratio is yes it's got [TS]

01:07:33   a box eNOS to it that makes you look a [TS]

01:07:35   little bit like Western royalty [TS]

01:07:37   see I don't know if donald duck dunn [TS]

01:07:39   ever actually wore a western shirt but [TS]

01:07:42   donald duck dunn was was one of those [TS]

01:07:45   influences where I was like nobody's [TS]

01:07:48   ever gonna call out donald duck dunn or [TS]

01:07:51   bunny Carlos and say you guys aren't [TS]

01:07:54   rock-and-roll donald duck dunn and bunny [TS]

01:07:57   Carlos are rock as fuck but also little [TS]

01:08:01   husky he's are still around that right [TS]

01:08:05   oh no you di'int 2012 who did donald [TS]

01:08:08   duck dunn yeah oh well yeah I think he [TS]

01:08:10   died of rock-and-roll who I think he [TS]

01:08:12   died of having played the bass on green [TS]

01:08:14   onions he's so cute when he was young [TS]

01:08:16   looking very cute with the pipe and the [TS]

01:08:19   times when when you listen to him being [TS]

01:08:20   interviewed his real southern cracker [TS]

01:08:23   who he you it's like holy cow [TS]

01:08:27   but boy like what what a what a what a [TS]

01:08:32   profound influence [TS]

01:08:33   yep but that that whole sausage casing [TS]

01:08:36   style of dressing I gradually came [TS]

01:08:39   around to it when I well it was just [TS]

01:08:43   very recently when i bought my first [TS]

01:08:44   pair of skinny jeans [TS]

01:08:46   and regardless of how they looked to [TS]

01:08:49   people up close when I saw pictures of [TS]

01:08:53   myself on stage in skinny jeans I [TS]

01:08:55   realize if you're in show business [TS]

01:08:58   people want to see your legs if you're [TS]

01:09:02   in show business people want to see your [TS]

01:09:04   legs that's right they want to see the [TS]

01:09:06   contours of your legs at all right so if [TS]

01:09:09   you know what is especially with regard [TS]

01:09:12   to live performance I never would have [TS]

01:09:13   thought of it that way they don't [TS]

01:09:14   normally see your legs they want to see [TS]

01:09:16   your legs this is your legs this is why [TS]

01:09:18   baseball uniforms and football uniforms [TS]

01:09:21   and fencing uniforms and all of the [TS]

01:09:25   clothes that were worn in the sixteenth [TS]

01:09:27   seventeenth and eighteenth century they [TS]

01:09:29   all were like who you know all the [TS]

01:09:32   ruffles and frills and whatever you [TS]

01:09:35   wanted and Pat's shoulder pads and [TS]

01:09:37   geegaws all on the top half doesn't [TS]

01:09:40   matter but the legs are like in tights [TS]

01:09:44   basically i miss the days of all the [TS]

01:09:47   baseball uniforms having their socks the [TS]

01:09:49   socks well it Ichiro always wear the [TS]

01:09:51   socks and now today they wear yoga pants [TS]

01:09:54   model it's really you know you still [TS]

01:09:56   have the option of wearing the socks [TS]

01:09:58   that still it's like it's like in the US [TS]

01:10:00   military [TS]

01:10:01   well when I was in the Civil Air Patrol [TS]

01:10:02   we all got books on military grooming [TS]

01:10:06   that were clearly all printed up in 1965 [TS]

01:10:10   but there was a protocol for wearing a [TS]

01:10:15   mustache and tasteful sideburns in these [TS]

01:10:20   so this is 1980 1982 let's say you could [TS]

01:10:24   be in the Air Force and wear a mustache [TS]

01:10:27   and tasteful sideburns [TS]

01:10:29   I mean obviously not in boot camp but it [TS]

01:10:31   was part of appropriate military dress [TS]

01:10:33   now I don't know if that's true anymore [TS]

01:10:35   when was last time you saw an army man [TS]

01:10:37   who had a mustache who wasn't in the [TS]

01:10:39   Special Forces and gay bar [TS]

01:10:42   well no I mean this is a round of the [TS]

01:10:45   different army man yeah right now you [TS]

01:10:48   don't see that so much they had that [TS]

01:10:49   seems you're going through a buy time [TS]

01:10:51   for them you don't but then I don't see [TS]

01:10:52   that many people in active military [TS]

01:10:53   service unless they're boarding the [TS]

01:10:54   plane in front of me [TS]

01:10:55   well but you see them on on television [TS]

01:10:58   when you watch [TS]

01:10:59   all the the shows about the military [TS]

01:11:02   doing special ops tonight sure [TS]

01:11:04   oh y'all all the great says all the [TS]

01:11:06   great special options at but in any case [TS]

01:11:11   yeah they want to see your legs I don't [TS]

01:11:13   know why but I want to see your legs too [TS]

01:11:15   if you get up there on this is the other [TS]

01:11:17   thing about like cowboy era Deadwood era [TS]

01:11:20   when people started wearing pants rather [TS]

01:11:24   than hose browsers browsers like to make [TS]

01:11:29   that distinction for our English [TS]

01:11:30   listeners oh I'm sorry that's right [TS]

01:11:32   trousers they have they have a laugh [TS]

01:11:33   when we say with a pants [TS]

01:11:36   do they have a good laugh that's a laugh [TS]

01:11:37   once a nonce because pants in British [TS]

01:11:41   language means smell the same panties [TS]

01:11:45   OIC right and not switch i used to mean [TS]

01:11:48   a one-of-a-kind Black Swan type thing [TS]

01:11:49   that speedo in England who got to learn [TS]

01:11:53   it's like when they put out the the [TS]

01:11:54   chevy car that in Spanish means it [TS]

01:11:56   doesn't go to buy a new no bra but uh [TS]

01:12:01   huh uh but I i love those pants those [TS]

01:12:07   cowboy pants and I and and I went into a [TS]

01:12:11   tailor one time and I was like why can [TS]

01:12:14   you never find cowboy pants and they [TS]

01:12:15   were like oh you mean stove pipe [TS]

01:12:20   oh right and I was like stove pipe and [TS]

01:12:24   they were like guess the leg is [TS]

01:12:25   perfectly straight in a stovepipe aunt [TS]

01:12:28   it is not tapered so you're going to [TS]

01:12:31   select Seth Bullock pants money will [TS]

01:12:34   accept from what from deadwood when you [TS]

01:12:36   have any he's walking around with his [TS]

01:12:37   hands arms down real straight decides [TS]

01:12:39   he's got yeah that's a good look [TS]

01:12:41   yeah so so the pants are they they have [TS]

01:12:43   to be kind of tight too and difficult to [TS]

01:12:49   get on right because your foot is your [TS]

01:12:53   foot is going through a pipe that is the [TS]

01:12:56   same with at the ankle that it is at the [TS]

01:12:59   at the hip or whatever so you're just [TS]

01:13:02   like you gotta like really point your [TS]

01:13:04   toe and get those things on and then [TS]

01:13:07   like a good cowboy never take them off [TS]

01:13:09   right once you've got your pants on [TS]

01:13:11   we're gonna take them off [TS]

01:13:12   i've been i've been wearing the same [TS]

01:13:13   pants for about a month now [TS]

01:13:16   sure so you can let your pants down [TS]

01:13:18   because our new you know the procedure [TS]

01:13:21   you gotta wear them you gotta wear them [TS]

01:13:22   until you break them you gotta break [TS]

01:13:24   their will [TS]

01:13:25   uh-huh right the pants are on you know [TS]

01:13:27   when i sleep anymore I used to I used to [TS]

01:13:29   sleep in them and now I don't do that [TS]

01:13:30   anymore i stick bath sentimental do that [TS]

01:13:32   anymore [TS]

01:13:32   now I just wear them everyday did you [TS]

01:13:34   ever wear them into the ocean who I [TS]

01:13:36   remember when those when the first like [TS]

01:13:39   selvedge premium denims came out who i [TS]

01:13:44   hate to talk about all the three should [TS]

01:13:46   have gotten by one time I was in Austin [TS]

01:13:47   and we played an in-store at a panel [TS]

01:13:51   like uppity men's clothing boutique when [TS]

01:13:54   these things were brand-new and at in [TS]

01:13:57   thanks [TS]

01:13:59   they gave me two pairs of what I'm sure [TS]

01:14:02   where 250 dollar jeans and the [TS]

01:14:05   salesperson said listen you're not meant [TS]

01:14:09   to wash these and i was like huh [TS]

01:14:13   and he said to get them to fit properly [TS]

01:14:16   you really should wait into the ocean [TS]

01:14:18   with them on and I was like this is that [TS]

01:14:22   you guys are in austin how do you and [TS]

01:14:25   he's like we make special trip to the [TS]

01:14:26   ocean [TS]

01:14:27   he went into the ocean mr. and and I and [TS]

01:14:31   I really do think he was like he wasn't [TS]

01:14:34   saying that he was saying that the [TS]

01:14:36   saltwater did something but what he was [TS]

01:14:39   really saying is that you need to break [TS]

01:14:42   the jeans spirit [TS]

01:14:43   uh-huh or a rather tame the spirit of [TS]

01:14:46   the genes like I like a mustang that's [TS]

01:14:50   right liked a Mustang like the like the [TS]

01:14:53   white horse on the Turkish trained in [TS]

01:14:56   lawrence of arabia huh [TS]

01:14:58   you are our Perseus with the with the [TS]

01:15:01   flying horse my horse excellent Harry [TS]

01:15:04   Hamlin yeah so you by levis 501 on one [TS]

01:15:08   washed jeans [TS]

01:15:10   uh-huh and then you put them on and [TS]

01:15:12   they're like Perseus yeah it's a lot [TS]

01:15:16   like first yes and i have ai want to [TS]

01:15:18   keep your story i'm gonna have a certain [TS]

01:15:19   procedure one thing I do is I i adjust [TS]

01:15:22   the cuff every time I wear them so they [TS]

01:15:24   don't wear into a single cough pattern [TS]

01:15:25   I three different rough areas and I try [TS]

01:15:28   to never duplicate the same fold so they [TS]

01:15:30   don't get one fold in a.m sometimes [TS]

01:15:32   that's the rookie mistake is now you're [TS]

01:15:34   gonna have been aware at that point too [TS]

01:15:36   so later on down the road when the genes [TS]

01:15:38   have shrunk by various mean by various [TS]

01:15:41   effects then you unroll the cuffs and [TS]

01:15:45   there's not a dramatic line [TS]

01:15:47   yeah yeah I i like them to be big that's [TS]

01:15:50   why I get these pants i like i like a [TS]

01:15:51   big overall and yeah but then we'll be [TS]

01:15:54   able to accommodate your box so what you [TS]

01:15:56   need big pans I'd any big event big boy [TS]

01:15:59   big pants [TS]

01:16:00   yes so one of the things i do that's [TS]

01:16:02   mostly just wear them everyday you where [TS]

01:16:04   we sitting where we stand you when you [TS]

01:16:06   lay down your mom all day until you go [TS]

01:16:07   to bed you can sleep and I have slept in [TS]

01:16:09   the past but and you don't wash them and [TS]

01:16:11   then now the three years for life and it [TS]

01:16:14   only wash them in water [TS]

01:16:16   let me ask you this I you know I know [TS]

01:16:20   that you you aren't typically this way [TS]

01:16:23   but do you ever take your once you've [TS]

01:16:26   been wearing a pair of jeans for a while [TS]

01:16:27   and once they have shown there he gay [TS]

01:16:30   I don't know that her oh he gay [TS]

01:16:35   now what is that he won yay he gay is a [TS]

01:16:38   japanese term for the little mustache of [TS]

01:16:44   where lines that form around your crotch [TS]

01:16:49   specifically your crotch well sure [TS]

01:16:53   and the little the little mustaches that [TS]

01:16:55   form are like cat whiskers emanating [TS]

01:16:59   from the cat knows of your penis head I [TS]

01:17:04   never never heard that term or that [TS]

01:17:07   concept and that is he gay and that is [TS]

01:17:10   from the that is from the Japanese [TS]

01:17:12   fascinate or the japanese vintage gene [TS]

01:17:15   market if you're if you're nineteen [TS]

01:17:18   sixties red tab red selvedge jeans which [TS]

01:17:23   you paid twenty thousand dollars for a [TS]

01:17:26   lot of what you're buying there is [TS]

01:17:28   really nice he gay [TS]

01:17:31   so when when you are wearing in a new [TS]

01:17:34   pair of jeans [TS]

01:17:36   and you have developed at first he gay [TS]

01:17:39   who do you ever sometimes take your [TS]

01:17:41   jeans off and lay them on the floor and [TS]

01:17:43   appreciate them from the floor not till [TS]

01:17:46   this afternoon [TS]

01:17:47   well that's what i'm saying i know that [TS]

01:17:49   i think i should do that I know this [TS]

01:17:50   isn't a thing that is is typical of you [TS]

01:17:53   but once you've got some good he gay go [TS]

01:17:56   and take your jeans off put them on the [TS]

01:17:58   floor lay them out and then just stand [TS]

01:18:00   back and see them look at it look at it [TS]

01:18:03   for what it is that's right see them for [TS]

01:18:05   what see them for what they are which is [TS]

01:18:07   an extension of your emotion they [TS]

01:18:10   represent your have to just be the [TS]

01:18:12   crotch John just imagine that I think I [TS]

01:18:15   think the we're around the rest of the [TS]

01:18:18   genes the he gave that happens on your [TS]

01:18:20   near whatever doesn't look like cat [TS]

01:18:22   whiskers I say so it probably has a [TS]

01:18:24   different i do like to admire them [TS]

01:18:26   whatever we're for a while and put them [TS]

01:18:27   down and they still look like me without [TS]

01:18:29   me anyway that's very I think i'm doing [TS]

01:18:31   my work hope for sure [TS]

01:18:33   look at that like there is a record of [TS]

01:18:35   me written i don't even have to be there [TS]

01:18:37   they understand me so much that I don't [TS]

01:18:39   have to be there to be my pants you can [TS]

01:18:41   stand in the corner and they will do [TS]

01:18:43   stay will do small administrative tasks [TS]

01:18:45   for you right people come into your [TS]

01:18:47   office and they have a stupid question [TS]

01:18:49   for you you're the heat can answer [TS]

01:18:50   honestly [TS]

01:18:52   let's be let's let's pick up some more [TS]

01:18:54   tape hey Merlin's pants [TS]

01:18:56   what do i do about what do i do about [TS]

01:18:58   the do i have to move the car when the [TS]

01:19:00   parking changes out front rolls parents [TS]

01:19:02   coaches have another one day but you [TS]

01:19:04   don't want to get this work thanks pants [TS]

01:19:05   Lee expats that's so that is something I [TS]

01:19:09   mean you know I in fact Merlin's pants [TS]

01:19:12   want once went and got dim sum for us i [TS]

01:19:15   remember about to go oh shit oh shit my [TS]

01:19:21   own space let me get that [TS]

01:19:22   oh that must have been heavy what school [TS]

01:19:24   until that room you look at that stick [TS]

01:19:29   if I'm glad the New Orleans fan speaking [TS]

01:19:32   mr. Bill's voice no mr. why I really [TS]

01:19:39   needed a cough button for this episode [TS]

01:19:40   is you know I don't know yet what did it [TS]

01:19:43   seem like I was coffee and clear my [TS]

01:19:44   throat more or or a normal amount john [TS]

01:19:47   hale and hearty to me [TS]

01:19:49   see thats a uu maybe you may have like [TS]

01:19:52   Stockholm Syndrome [TS]

01:19:54   oh really i've been in the closet so [TS]

01:19:56   long i'm starting to like it [TS]

01:19:58   do you really no other podcasters that [TS]

01:20:02   use cough button is a normal thing [TS]

01:20:03   people some people write me all the time [TS]

01:20:05   and send me links to cough buttons as [TS]

01:20:07   though I'm as though i take advice from [TS]

01:20:10   people i will i will tell you something [TS]

01:20:13   that may shock and surprise you it is [TS]

01:20:19   typical is typical for someone who is [TS]

01:20:21   doing any kind of broadcasting has [TS]

01:20:22   something called a cough button which [TS]

01:20:23   comes from there they still have this on [TS]

01:20:25   radio you still compassion french coffee [TS]

01:20:27   coffee bhutan yep from like I'll and [TS]

01:20:30   bhutan and so you are in radio you hit [TS]

01:20:34   that button when you have to cough and [TS]

01:20:35   you don't have to excuse me or something [TS]

01:20:36   you don't cough on the air most [TS]

01:20:38   podcasters will try not to make noise [TS]

01:20:39   with her mouth on the air and then you [TS]

01:20:42   know and so you use a cop button john [TS]

01:20:43   zakappa button I mute occasionally but [TS]

01:20:46   you're ready here this shocking surprise [TS]

01:20:47   a lot of people out there i keep the [TS]

01:20:51   mute button on during the entire time of [TS]

01:20:54   the recording and just unmute long [TS]

01:20:57   enough to say that thing they wanted to [TS]

01:20:58   say kind of like a walkie-talkie [TS]

01:21:00   how do I just bear in mind yeah how do [TS]

01:21:03   their fans hear them breathing and [TS]

01:21:05   wheezing and a well i'm in particular [TS]

01:21:09   chuckling and laughing and snorting [TS]

01:21:11   given the current technology i'm going [TS]

01:21:14   to say they don't buy it doesn't feel to [TS]

01:21:17   me at all but i know this is that record [TS]

01:21:19   with people with it will be like but it [TS]

01:21:21   you know like you hear them just like [TS]

01:21:23   coming because they didn't the button [TS]

01:21:24   fast enough that it can imagine living [TS]

01:21:26   like that [TS]

01:21:26   no no it seems to me like like some kind [TS]

01:21:29   of some kind of tyranny I can trying not [TS]

01:21:33   to let maybe their mouth breathers but [TS]

01:21:35   you know what I'm a mouth breather [TS]

01:21:36   well I mean that's the yahoo you just [TS]

01:21:38   got made you I'm just cut maybe sir i [TS]

01:21:41   feel i feel like this crystal fruit like [TS]

01:21:46   that that's one of the reasons that that [TS]

01:21:51   people listened but they're not all the [TS]

01:21:52   time you know what it is Merlin all the [TS]

01:21:54   time I look at these I look at these [TS]

01:21:57   podcast award ceremony [TS]

01:22:00   Jesus where everybody shows up in there [TS]

01:22:02   blue tuxedos and they walked down the [TS]

01:22:04   magic carpet and they get the podcast II [TS]

01:22:06   like the award of podcast e whatever [TS]

01:22:09   that is [TS]

01:22:10   yes set of gold-plated headphones and or [TS]

01:22:14   you know when people go on facebook and [TS]

01:22:15   they're like you tell me what your [TS]

01:22:16   favorite podcast is and I'm like here we [TS]

01:22:17   go [TS]

01:22:18   and I read down 40 responses and it's [TS]

01:22:20   all like Marc Maron cereal [TS]

01:22:23   yeah and i'm like as i know a lot of a [TS]

01:22:25   wine oh come on and it may be really [TS]

01:22:27   think that ya know because I feel like [TS]

01:22:31   our podcast our award-winning podcast [TS]

01:22:33   which has never won any awards some kids [TS]

01:22:35   anymore its please [TS]

01:22:37   but no no I want awards you want to [TS]

01:22:38   watch okay can we will work just for [TS]

01:22:40   your part of the podcast want but yeah I [TS]

01:22:42   want anything sadder than the idea of a [TS]

01:22:44   podcast award it's just really so [TS]

01:22:47   depressing [TS]

01:22:48   oh my god who are you gonna brag to you [TS]

01:22:49   about winning a podcast to court and I [TS]

01:22:51   don't want to talk about myself for a [TS]

01:22:53   fortnight gotta rip it to pieces like I [TS]

01:22:56   want a white ribbon for the i-i-i all [TS]

01:22:59   the time described our podcast as the [TS]

01:23:01   award-winning rhetoric on the line and [TS]

01:23:03   without fail every single time I do it [TS]

01:23:06   somebody's like what award did you win [TS]

01:23:07   and I'm and then I'm left saying well I [TS]

01:23:11   mean I'm gonna get back to this cross [TS]

01:23:13   with her and I'm kidding I'm kidding [TS]

01:23:15   when I say award-winning but there's a [TS]

01:23:17   little part of me that dies and what I [TS]

01:23:19   want to be invited to is the Australian [TS]

01:23:21   podcast awards you know like I don't [TS]

01:23:23   want to win a headphone I want to win [TS]

01:23:25   went up a browser or whatever they say [TS]

01:23:28   down there is headphone thing is that [TS]

01:23:30   really a award that's really funny he [TS]

01:23:33   just made that up [TS]

01:23:34   well it's just like a little set of gold [TS]

01:23:36   headphones but only one of them is [TS]

01:23:38   touching the base right it's like [TS]

01:23:40   they're they're a little bit off-center [TS]

01:23:41   so the other headphones kind of sticking [TS]

01:23:43   up in the air and it's just like there [TS]

01:23:45   there little bit and puts like a gold [TS]

01:23:47   base and they're kind of balanced head [TS]

01:23:50   phony the headphone ease [TS]

01:23:51   that's pretty good so you're going to [TS]

01:23:53   australian get one of this i want to go [TS]

01:23:55   I want to go to Australia and be--and [TS]

01:23:57   and have it be one of those things like [TS]

01:23:58   when Nirvana or Jimi Hendrix went to [TS]

01:24:00   England sure it's like nobody in our own [TS]

01:24:03   country understands us but in Australia [TS]

01:24:05   we want a headphone me three years in a [TS]

01:24:08   row and so then when I tell people my [TS]

01:24:11   award-winning podcast Roderick on the [TS]

01:24:13   line and they say what awarded [TS]

01:24:14   however when i can say i got three and [TS]

01:24:16   phonies and that would validate units [TS]

01:24:20   are good feeling you know I never went [TS]

01:24:22   to Harvard I never won an Emmy you're [TS]

01:24:24   barely silver so goddess i'm fucking [TS]

01:24:27   silver medallion I gotta what I got [TS]

01:24:29   white ribbons in a box because i'm too [TS]

01:24:32   proud of them to throw them away but too [TS]

01:24:34   ashamed of them to show anybody haha [TS]

01:24:35   that sounds perfect perfect for these [TS]

01:24:39   yeah I guess let's move on to something [TS]

01:24:41   else [TS]

01:24:41   oh you found my box of white ribbons [TS]

01:24:44   well yeah i'm just waiting to get enough [TS]

01:24:46   of those to do a collage like it's like [TS]

01:24:49   collecting it's like lightning very [TS]

01:24:51   kindly worded breakup letters I suppose [TS]

01:24:55   this was very full effect [TS]

01:24:56   have you ever heard ever seen the cover [TS]

01:24:58   art for the first long winters right and [TS]

01:25:00   sure have John over a world-class [TS]

01:25:01   bullshitter that's just the selection of [TS]

01:25:04   not very polite breakup letter was a [TS]

01:25:07   pretty good yeah so yeah so what is it [TS]

01:25:10   too much to ask [TS]

01:25:11   yeah i mean really it's absolutely too [TS]

01:25:13   much to ask it's too much to ask is it [TS]

01:25:15   because we don't appeal to we don't [TS]

01:25:17   appeal to the people to go to the DMV [TS]

01:25:19   the our other feel ya we have here bill [TS]

01:25:22   just the people that have diamond [TS]

01:25:24   platinum military with kids status [TS]

01:25:28   I just feel like it's so unseemly to ask [TS]

01:25:30   people for things i don't like asking [TS]

01:25:32   for things and like and even if I got [TS]

01:25:34   what I asked for in that case would i be [TS]

01:25:36   any happier or better at what I do and [TS]

01:25:38   no i wouldn't i would feel like a dingus [TS]

01:25:40   let me tell me then let me ask you [TS]

01:25:44   yeah if you if you have this but if you [TS]

01:25:46   can actually got a headphone email i [TS]

01:25:49   still don't know if that's a thing if [TS]

01:25:50   somebody went to the trouble to in to [TS]

01:25:53   make a headphone me and and not just [TS]

01:25:56   make ahead phony but actually to [TS]

01:25:58   establish an awards ceremony l2 in order [TS]

01:26:02   to award headphones its name because it [TS]

01:26:04   looks like at least somebody's uncle [TS]

01:26:05   headphones that's why they call it that [TS]

01:26:07   yeah and then you got one yeah wouldn't [TS]

01:26:10   you be a little proud when you display [TS]

01:26:12   that on the mantel even though you never [TS]

01:26:13   go into your living room [TS]

01:26:14   no you would not I would not i would not [TS]

01:26:17   would you put it in a box i have to move [TS]

01:26:20   over here who would you polish it with a [TS]

01:26:23   box [TS]

01:26:24   I i would eat it with some locks uh-huh [TS]

01:26:27   Williams you're going on [TS]

01:26:28   socks so it would be up there with it [TS]

01:26:30   would be up there with make another old [TS]

01:26:32   girl has to be there I Wilberforce I [TS]

01:26:35   would refuse it i would i would marlon [TS]

01:26:37   brando that shit [TS]

01:26:38   whoa yeah i would i would say because of [TS]

01:26:41   the plight of the Native American you [TS]

01:26:43   are not going to accept this headphone I [TS]

01:26:44   wouldn't show up i just sent her to pick [TS]

01:26:45   up that not pick up the headphone em1 if [TS]

01:26:48   she's still alive they'll be pretty cool [TS]

01:26:49   pretty cool you know what you can just [TS]

01:26:51   say that lady is alive or someone who [TS]

01:26:53   looks like her you should be able to [TS]

01:26:54   hire a Native American to refuse awards [TS]

01:26:57   for you and let you be different ones [TS]

01:27:00   would be like porn actors they become [TS]

01:27:01   like fairly well-known inside of like a [TS]

01:27:03   smaller oh I think that's the one that [TS]

01:27:05   came into use home and she's awesome i [TS]

01:27:07   would like to have any sprinkle a pic [TS]

01:27:10   not because I i will not refuse an award [TS]

01:27:13   because you know every day I look at my [TS]

01:27:15   mantle which is covered with little [TS]

01:27:17   dolls of all the presidents of the [TS]

01:27:19   united states and some and various [TS]

01:27:21   models of the airplanes that my father [TS]

01:27:23   flew and a pair of a cold snow shoes and [TS]

01:27:29   some bar neighs artfully displayed and [TS]

01:27:31   what's missing is some kind of some kind [TS]

01:27:35   of enemy Tony an industry [TS]

01:27:37   acknowledgement of your important work [TS]

01:27:39   something anyone your peers and what I [TS]

01:27:41   do have is best to his tweet of the year [TS]

01:27:44   for 2010 [TS]

01:27:45   Wow as amazing as as issued by seattle [TS]

01:27:49   weekly newspaper where I had a column at [TS]

01:27:52   the time you fucking kidding no no [TS]

01:27:55   better this is sudden you're allowing [TS]

01:27:57   your home near will know it's because [TS]

01:27:59   it's a hideous thing I'm like I would [TS]

01:28:01   never display it but i can't throw it [TS]

01:28:03   away because it's like a white ribbon [TS]

01:28:04   it's like a hilarious white ribbon is a [TS]

01:28:06   great white ribbon tweeter the year for [TS]

01:28:08   2013 route for grandfather the year when [TS]

01:28:10   when the seattle weekly was still trying [TS]

01:28:13   to groc what tweeting was yeah and [TS]

01:28:16   they're like you know what John Roderick [TS]

01:28:17   tweets he was very prominent Seattle [TS]

01:28:19   twitter he has 6000 Twitter followers [TS]

01:28:22   nice but so I have a little space [TS]

01:28:26   cleared on my mantel for for a headphone [TS]

01:28:28   award and it never arrives because it [TS]

01:28:30   doesn't exist [TS]

01:28:31   that's a shame John well i think it's [TS]

01:28:32   it's very healthy that you let people [TS]

01:28:33   know that that's something you'd like to [TS]

01:28:34   have is a made-up award from your peers [TS]

01:28:36   for a podcast you an hour week that [TS]

01:28:38   that's that would be I mean for the [TS]

01:28:39   little lifetime service really that [TS]

01:28:41   should be [TS]

01:28:41   no to live your as they say in the [TS]

01:28:43   community your lived experience as John [TS]

01:28:45   erotic and bringing that to people at [TS]

01:28:48   such as a small-scale it's the [TS]

01:28:50   equivalent for me of having a it's the [TS]

01:28:52   equivalent of of being a good the brain [TS]

01:28:54   surgeon or a good footballer using his [TS]

01:28:56   big muscles [TS]

01:28:57   well the pits that its wits the axis of [TS]

01:29:00   challenge and skill it's a challenge [TS]

01:29:03   every week to talk to you can smell [TS]

01:29:04   coffee without off but i have a lot of [TS]

01:29:07   skill at it and I'm you know I've got a [TS]

01:29:10   doctor waiting out there do you don't [TS]

01:29:12   you think I know your friends don't you [TS]

01:29:14   think how many people could do what I do [TS]

01:29:16   ask now I know it'sit's I just now is a [TS]

01:29:18   city writes an unbelieving overlooked [TS]

01:29:20   your like Scorsese you're like the [TS]

01:29:22   Scorsese of talking about record one [TS]

01:29:24   thing about Scorsese what has he done [TS]

01:29:25   lately up lots of stuff he's still [TS]

01:29:28   really good [TS]

01:29:29   are you sure you don't like wolf of wall [TS]

01:29:31   street uh huh [TS]

01:29:34   I mean that you get to his age and still [TS]

01:29:35   be putting shit out that doesn't suck [TS]

01:29:37   i'm just saying the scene where he to [TS]

01:29:39   where he took all the drugs and he drove [TS]

01:29:40   his Lamborghini home and then it turns [TS]

01:29:42   out that he didn't actually buy Lars [TS]

01:29:45   power who and who listening to our [TS]

01:29:47   program hasn't seen the wolf of Wall [TS]

01:29:49   Street it turns out the john nash was [TS]

01:29:52   Tyler Durden all along hope [TS]

01:29:54   with who I don't want somebody to just [TS]

01:29:58   make me a bucket head phony and send it [TS]

01:30:00   to me and some kind of gag you just made [TS]

01:30:02   it up right i we I one okay i want there [TS]

01:30:05   to actually be an award ceremony in [TS]

01:30:06   australia and new zealand and zach is [TS]

01:30:10   one it's got its gonna be like the [TS]

01:30:12   american association for what is the [TS]

01:30:14   motion picture arts and sciences you [TS]

01:30:15   need some kind of a phony-baloney [TS]

01:30:16   acronym for this right Paul Allen in [TS]

01:30:19   hollywood foreign press association that [TS]

01:30:22   kind of thing in your name Paul invented [TS]

01:30:24   awarded every year he gives it to some [TS]

01:30:26   aging rock star and they always come and [TS]

01:30:29   he gives it two minutes just nothing [TS]

01:30:31   it's just a thing that he is he's rich [TS]

01:30:33   enough to make the why why is there not [TS]

01:30:36   you know australian if 411 on the [TS]

01:30:39   Australia parties are ye like spiders or [TS]

01:30:41   something like we're going to Australia [TS]

01:30:42   I'm just looking for a free ticket to me [TS]

01:30:44   oh yeah well you know with your status [TS]

01:30:46   australian ah are all oral are a war [TS]

01:30:54   group or 400 abbreviation association so [TS]

01:30:59   I'm my workshop this [TS]

01:31:01   no no I feel like the problem is I don't [TS]

01:31:03   have a reason to go to Australia I want [TS]

01:31:05   desperately to go to Australia but I [TS]

01:31:07   don't have a reason nobody's invited me [TS]

01:31:09   i don't want to just go down there and [TS]

01:31:10   walk around like some dingo anywhere you [TS]

01:31:13   want to meet him [TS]

01:31:14   got a plan the trip yeah well it's not i [TS]

01:31:17   don't want to plan I don't want to go [TS]

01:31:18   there with a plan i want i want is not [TS]

01:31:20   simply walk into Australia John that's [TS]

01:31:23   the thing i'm not a tourist you know i'm [TS]

01:31:25   not on a walkabout [TS]

01:31:26   no I want to go there is a professional [TS]

01:31:28   person to accept an award that i [TS]

01:31:29   invented yes and and that is is that too [TS]

01:31:33   much to have no no no I feel like that's [TS]

01:31:36   a that's it that is some normal last [TS]

01:31:38   shit but much to ask the things that [TS]

01:31:40   your organization be created to make an [TS]

01:31:42   award that something to give to you in [TS]

01:31:43   Australia that are not too much for [TS]

01:31:45   anyone to know we are pioneering podcast [TS]

01:31:48   just got my costume [TS]

01:31:49   we're still in early days here and [TS]

01:31:51   nobody knows what it is [TS]

01:31:53   so why not just make it what we want [TS]

01:31:55   that's right now you need other people [TS]

01:31:57   to care all you need is people to [TS]

01:32:00   understand that as a podcast pioneer you [TS]

01:32:03   can establish certain parameters also [TS]

01:32:05   hear from pioneer podcast pioneer I [TS]

01:32:08   guess I always get special the special [TS]

01:32:09   via the special what's called the phony [TS]

01:32:12   you should get the world the the special [TS]

01:32:14   phone in the first years like the Irving [TS]

01:32:16   Thalberg a podcast you get the podcast [TS]

01:32:18   pioneer award you've had one for like 45 [TS]

01:32:21   years now [TS]

01:32:22   you don't think you don't think that [TS]

01:32:24   we're podcast pioneers because we [TS]

01:32:25   weren't in that first four hours of [TS]

01:32:28   podcast you don't know you what I think [TS]

01:32:29   this is the only thing i do that you [TS]

01:32:31   listen to I've talked about this a lot i [TS]

01:32:32   think we're extremely early days I think [TS]

01:32:34   we're in ridiculously early days [TS]

01:32:36   yeah where were the people that were [TS]

01:32:38   going across the oregon trail in 1850 it [TS]

01:32:41   still takes the new york times about two [TS]

01:32:42   months to forget podcast exist before [TS]

01:32:44   announcing that they've arrived say that [TS]

01:32:46   about this thing's got hot guys gonna be [TS]

01:32:48   quite the thing and this audio is [TS]

01:32:49   available on demand panels like this [TS]

01:32:51   time the headphone awards right griffin [TS]

01:32:54   mcelroy is going to get one because as [TS]

01:32:56   soon as he gets as soon as he gets wise [TS]

01:32:57   to this from any other way as soon as he [TS]

01:33:00   gets hip to it he's going to say that he [TS]

01:33:01   deserves so he's like a podcast inventor [TS]

01:33:03   griffin mcelroy griffin mcelroy that's [TS]

01:33:06   an awesome name [TS]

01:33:07   not now [TS]

01:33:07   inventor but he's a pirate right Jesse [TS]

01:33:10   thorn should have like Ohio more than [TS]

01:33:12   just messy for yeah he should have a [TS]

01:33:14   wall okay me griffin mcelroy sonipat [TS]

01:33:16   podcast called my brother my brother and [TS]

01:33:17   me [TS]

01:33:18   he's one of the brothers ok well maybe [TS]

01:33:19   he's the me they're also i'm gonna get [TS]

01:33:21   smoked out McElroy's the other two are [TS]

01:33:24   also McElroy's protected brothers its [TS]

01:33:25   story checks out [TS]

01:33:27   typically when brothers get married they [TS]

01:33:28   don't change their name although they [TS]

01:33:30   might add a hyphenated another name [TS]

01:33:31   right now have to decide whether the [TS]

01:33:33   Judaism come through the mother [TS]

01:33:34   precisely so much Judy is that comes out [TS]

01:33:36   of the Father I its come on throw me a [TS]

01:33:39   bone [TS]

01:33:40   I was pretty good oh shit my bell was my [TS]

01:33:44   bell was a necessity activated no okay [TS]

01:33:49   perfect [TS]

01:33:50   listen I gotta get up i want to make I [TS]

01:33:55   don't want to make you uncomfortable [TS]

01:33:55   you're not making me uncomfortable more [TS]

01:33:57   than happy to be there at least like a [TS]

01:33:59   maybe a holograph of me could be there [TS]

01:34:02   when you accept you're very brave ward [TS]

01:34:04   so hot walk onstage I want this [TS]

01:34:06   thunderous applause for Australians who [TS]

01:34:09   we've all we all know clap hard [TS]

01:34:11   oh I don't know I've been in New Zealand [TS]

01:34:13   i could not get any reaction from the is [TS]

01:34:15   new zealand's are the new zealand's or [TS]

01:34:17   the Canadians of Australia my but they [TS]

01:34:20   love that right [TS]

01:34:22   no no absolutely there's nothing wrong [TS]

01:34:23   with being the Canadians what do you [TS]

01:34:25   think if at me whoo that's your problem [TS]

01:34:27   i was a little bit of and you know like [TS]

01:34:30   that was that was North American [TS]

01:34:31   normative that's right so there's no new [TS]

01:34:34   zealand is the canada australia canada [TS]

01:34:35   like Americans to pay but just think [TS]

01:34:39   about it while you know what I'm not [TS]

01:34:40   gonna get letters this time it's gonna [TS]

01:34:42   be you [TS]

01:34:43   I i love Canada so much more than you [TS]

01:34:45   and everybody knows it [TS]

01:34:46   what have you ever been to edmonton [TS]

01:34:48   boost ja oh god here we go let's play [TS]

01:34:53   that John knows names of places game [TS]

01:34:55   yes I've been all of them John you can [TS]

01:34:56   tell you where to go to get a white [TS]

01:34:58   ribbon in all of them [TS]

01:34:59   no no i've been to vancouver and I've [TS]

01:35:01   been to Toronto [TS]

01:35:02   yeah right well and so a lot of people [TS]

01:35:04   like not qualified to say that I like [TS]

01:35:06   canadians a lot of people like you think [TS]

01:35:08   that that's all that there is to Canada [TS]

01:35:10   I assume that's all there is doesn't [TS]

01:35:11   seem like a very big country it's the [TS]

01:35:14   toupee of America [TS]

01:35:15   oh my god i just meant geographically [TS]

01:35:17   you don't know what Mexico is my right [TS]

01:35:20   up here [TS]

01:35:20   you could you could you could say that [TS]

01:35:23   Canada was the whip cream on the top of [TS]

01:35:26   America that seems to this so you're [TS]

01:35:29   walking up on the stage there's a [TS]

01:35:30   hologram of me there's kind of three [TS]

01:35:32   turkey was i'm in a blue i'm in a [TS]

01:35:35   midnight blue tuxedo and then something [TS]

01:35:37   a job that my brother was upset my pants [TS]

01:35:42   my pits hopefully their jobs i love you [TS]

01:35:50   oh dear [TS]

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