Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► pee bad [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► oh hello hi John by Marlon that's going [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► good how are you [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► oh wait you said you sound good oh thank [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► you i'm in a professional podcasting [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► studio you are not [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► yeah i would like I would like your [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► voice to be turned up a little bit i'm [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► going to look out the window and say to [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► the person operating the board you turn [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► up a turn up the Merlin oh my god I have [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► so many questions [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► yeah always that sounds better well [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► that's good yeah this is happening in [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► your RV no no i haven't built a [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► professional podcast video in my RV and [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► inside the American concrete building i [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► am in humans had American well it turns [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► out i got that wrong it's the American [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► cement building [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► oh i just learned this week that there's [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► a difference yeah well so are minutes [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► i'm in the cement building what you some [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► great thank you [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► what the hell's going on 1mon sm7b which [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► as you know is you know my preferred [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► microphone and I'm actually so where to [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► begin so I don't you know I drove down [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► to california in my GM CRP then i [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► recently purchased you still there [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► yeah yeah visiting I just started [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► helping out in jail [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► could you just one call em yes and so I [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► get down here to California and I've got [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► some rehearsals and some shows i'm gonna [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► do you get all this stuff and I can was [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► like oh yeah I'll just stay in the RV [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► you know that i had a somebody gave me a [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► podcasting microphone like one of those [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► USB ones I was like I'm just gonna you [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► know pull up in front of a cafe and i'll [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► plug in my microphone in my laptop it's [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► not going to sound great but but it will [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► be a mobile kind of facility but I [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► didn't mean what I didn't really plan [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► for and I knew this already is that when [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► you're living in an RV it's it's it it's [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► not you're not living a normal life and [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► it's kind of like when you when you buy [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► your first volkswagen bug and then all [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► of a sudden you see Volkswagen bugs [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► everywhere you didn't know that they [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► were there before you buy an RV and [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► you're driving an RV and all the sudden [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► you realize there's this whole RV [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► ecosystem that your you just weren't [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► seeing before and because there are [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► multiple layers of an RV ecosystem and [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and when you're on the highways you see [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► these beautiful rvs these big rich [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► people are being that are traveling [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► America's highways and byways and [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► they're full of retirees and they they [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► cost 200 thousand dollars but then when [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► you get down into a city a city of any [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► size you see the substrata of RV culture [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► which is the people living in their RVs [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► on the streets of your town is big here [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► yeah really big in California so much so [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that street signs that i used to know he [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► you pull up it into a parking spot and [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► there's a street sign that's like five [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► paragraphs long and formerly as an RV [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► owners I would just skim the first three [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► three sentences associated operator in a [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► in a civilian car you don't need to read [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► all that stuff you're talking you're not [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► a monster [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► what time is it what day is it let me [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► let me figure out if I can park here but [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► now as an RV owner you realize a lot of [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► these signs particularly in that way [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► they say things like no vehicles over [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► eight feet tall and remembers think i [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► ever saw that sign before it's a note is [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► its privileged you never saw the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► discrimination that's right i just i was [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► blind to it and then a signs that say no [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► parking but from 8pm to 8am I was like [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► what what would crazy sign they think [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► you're a vagrant John they absolutely do [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► so no sitting on the sidewalk for John [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► know sitting on the sidewalk precisely [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and so then I started looking around and [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I see these people in their RVs and [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► they're parked all over where they can [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► get away with it and you know they're [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► showering in people's like garden hose [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and it's like it's a whole it's a whole [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► world they're not homeless because they [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► have a they have a car [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► with a bit in it uh-huh and now that's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► me so last night I slept on the corner [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► of Melrose and somewhere no rosen and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► despair when I woke up this morning and [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► people walking their dogs around me and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► that and scowling at me and I was like [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► I'm a podcast today with murder one [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► you know what I'll just just just whip [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► up in front of a cafe somewhere now I'll [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► hijack their Wi-Fi and then I'm in the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► RB and i'm driving around it's like wait [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► a minute you don't whip up in front of [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► anywhere in this thing you're not just [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► you know just going to slide Indian an [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► open spot you gonna slide anywhere [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► pull up into a load load only zone and [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► just my fingers on like this thing is [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► it's like an aircraft carrier so I'm [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► tooling around and it's like once you [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► get moving you kind of can't stop you're [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► in this sort of big whale shark of a [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► pang and your mouth is open and you're [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► swallowing krill and you can't you just [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► you can't stop moving because if you do [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► and particularly in la if you sleeping [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► slow down like just the mercedes-benz [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► pile up behind you like red blood cells [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► through a constricted artery so it's [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► like to be dick cheney mm let's get to [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► that is brutal and you know like I've [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► always been in LA in a fast car and a [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► fast-moving car even when I was in the [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► tour van it was a fast-moving BAM [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► now i'm going to slow van and you [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► realize that la is not prepared for slow [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► moving vehicles that there's a there's a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► complete it absolutely makes sense there [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► is a flowchart here but it presumes that [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► everyone is slipping and just absolutely [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► flooring their gas pedal at every [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► opportunity and so this thing's like / [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► or and people just don't know what to do [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► it's absolutely disrupting the system [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► i'm sure i've been inside now for 45 [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► minutes and i'm sure there's there are [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► still traffic problems that i created [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► what did you end up parking so if you [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► can say so here i go i'm driving along [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I'm like what am I gonna do I want a [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► podcast with Merlin I'm living in a van [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► now I've become a coma I'm [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► guy that has one Hawaiian shirt oh my [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► goodness and doesn't your mat fully but [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► yeah but i'm also trying to interact [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► with people in the straight world this [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► is the problem if I was fully in RV [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► ecosystem then i would i would start to [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► be one of the disappeared right and no [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► one would know people wouldn't [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► acknowledge me and I would be eating [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► mostly in Honduras restaurants and I [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► would be in this being a separate world [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► uh-huh but i'm also trying to go to [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► rehearsals into shows and be around [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► people that stuff in LA because yeah in [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► some ways you're transitioning into a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► kind of Transportation reassignment [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► surgery you're very slowly moving into [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► this new world and that's gonna be Rocky [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► you need to you need to stand with one [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► foot over here and another over there in [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► a wheel in the middle and and you're not [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► gonna be welcomed by I've seen these [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► people moving packs got less than they [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► got tribes hit and we we had a car trip [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► over the weekend and we passed one of [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► these places and the sticker prices on [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► these things are crazy you know that the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► same time I was like you know what 439 [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► thousand dollars you could have a really [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► sweet house that you can drive [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► that's right maybe it's my age i just [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► turned 49 maybe it is my age but I find [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that extremely appealing and i would [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► like to meet the tribe I would like some [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► on during food and hawaiian shirt I can [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► enjoy that yeah yeah it's all the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► freedom is unparalleled except need to [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► park [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► well they stick together because there's [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► safety in numbers and the park all [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► together and then they can like get [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► electricity for themselves and and send [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► their who and pee down a tube uh-huh [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► but when your when your renegade when [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► you're when you're off the RV grid [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► rights and onto the neighbor the street [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► grid you're a real rope you are your you [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► are here between worlds person and you [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► know and so I'm over it [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► a friends house and they're like poop do [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and we're watching a movie and then [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► they're like okay well goodnight and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► like three people walk out the door get [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► into boobers that appear mysteriously [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and then poof they're off to an Airbnb [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► somewhere and she's delivered [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► yeah just there on their phone and [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► they're like Amazon next day delivery [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► POW and I'm like bringing them [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► www and down to some kind of interest [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► and a home depot parking lot and like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► trying to get my my raise my TV antenna [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► with her bike chain that I rigged up so [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► so anyway so I'm driving along this [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► morning and I'm like what am I gonna do [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► what am I gonna do I can't even slow [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► down without the mercedes-benz piling up [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► behind me there's no loading zones [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► anywhere and I'm like who do I know in [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► la that I can help me out of his body [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► it's almost is there anybody who does [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► podcast podcast in LA and I don't think [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► there's that many people in LA to a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► podcast i could go to Michael bike back [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► to call Michael Penn Michael pan and say [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► hey can I use your studio but you know [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► what he's in there making soundtracks [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► all the time if I were Romeo and black [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► jeans [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► what if I were heat cliff is no myth you [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► get Marc Maron he's got a garage but his [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► neighbors always running the weed [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► whacker will see him you know marks [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► never invited me on his program [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► me neither so how did I think you're sol [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► you're gonna have to go with eng you go [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► to go to orange county is probably [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► podcasters orange county right [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► podcasters in orange county but they're [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► all wearing chuck taylors and their [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► podcasts are really you know like super [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► like compressed high-energy podcasts [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► oh yea high mids right so what you're [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► doing so i called my good friend Jesse [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► thorn of the maximum fun podcast network [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► and I said hey you guys podcast and he [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► was like as a matter of fact we do and [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► we haven't putting this many [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► unfortunately we have address scrapbook [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► and so I took the elevator lady occur [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that well you know he does have he does [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► have quite a few menswear accessories in [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► the office including a poncho is a [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► podcasting poncho he has a podcasting [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► poncho everything about jesse is exactly [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► well it's it's exactly dialed in say [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► what you will about Jesse that men think [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► stuff through he's thinking he's jesus [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► he's a wise grown-up he's he was [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► probably born a grown-up you well you [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► know I bet he's always been 63 [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► prematurely aged you um he had he has a [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► steamer clothes steamer in his bathroom [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► he has a very long beard now which is [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► made of 100-percent alpaca uh anyway so [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► jesse was like well I'm not in the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► office right now but I'm headed there [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and so I come down to this place in the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► American cement building which is an [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► actual office building in an actual [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► downtown area [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► I go upstairs I knocked on the door and [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► they're they're our desks and people [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► working in the maximum fun network [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► they're there for employees at their [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► desks and I got together probably doing [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► tech support or something they're only [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► answer your question about samsung [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► phones they're working on their computer [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► you can make money from our podcast and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► I'm telling you it's a network that's [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► unlike any other podcasts and ft [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► that's the difference yeah if it's what [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► it is it's like it's like China you you [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► may carry you make a bit of volume [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► discount [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► absolutely so I come in of course no one [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► in the office knew that I was coming [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► there are like oh hello and then and so [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► I'm here and I just put my arms and I [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► have children but i didn't mention [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► anybody that I was here to do a podcast [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► I was just like oh yeah and you know and [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► don't know the people that knew me [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► already were just like oh well I guess [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► this is normal this john rocker x here [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► Justin showed up and now is making some [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► chitchat with us eating doughnuts and [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► then just he waltzed in and we we did [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► some technical we did some technical [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► work and there's just joshing aside [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► there's a legitimate engineer sitting [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► here watching me through this last this [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► is brand-new ridiculous i I just have to [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► say you're joshing aside just the best [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► and I cannot believe that that worked [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► out so quickly and thank you to jesse [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and team was not one super cool is that [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► out we have we've done shoutouts to the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► maximum fun network of podcast I don't [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► like to mention other things on the show [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► I know you don't I think it's think it's [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► unseemly it's a little woozy [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it's gratuitous little gratuitous [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► shoutout whoo yeah here's a little shout [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► out but in this case they don't really [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► really going above and beyond [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► they still making cement there are they [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► administering cement so here's the thing [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► about the American cement building i [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► believe that it's called that because [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it's made of cement see [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► they're smart you know what they're good [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► with in la is branding and all its all [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► right on there it's it's a company that [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► sells cement in America look just just [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► look at the building [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► well that's that's the thing i don't [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► even know if there was an American [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► cement company although I guess they're [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► probably was but the building really [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► showcases the power of cement important [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► cement is I do it's extremely expensive [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► but it you know i heard a thing about [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► this i heard a podcast about this about [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► cement and how important so how [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► important cement wait let me get this [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► right you got cement you got concrete [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► cement is the stuff you it's like that's [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the important ingredient right you got a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► bunch of rocks you got some water [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► there's cement and concrete but there's [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► not concrete and cement precisely cell [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► and apparently this is something where [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► turns out a lot of times when you want [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► to cut corners because some it is so [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► costly signal back to the copper pipe [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► issue i think they go a little short on [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► the cement building falls down it will [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► generally put extra sand or extra like [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► oatmeal or something and it could be [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► oatmeal could be to be so could be a [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Satan i think it's called the decision [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► any kind of hit kind of good grades are [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► rotating lot of lot of protein but it's [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► not gonna be good for chinese building [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► right well and in this case it's built [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► its built-in a very distinctive like [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► latticework sixties latticework that is [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► slightly reminiscent of the World Trade [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► Center I'm but but more but it's more [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► scenes sturdier it's less trying to say [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► it's not less emulating birds in flight [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and more saying like this is a this is [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► like a like a lattice and natural [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► lattice maybe a DNA helix oh my goodness [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► was turned into a building [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► ok i'm looking at it now ok this is this [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► is this is a big deal it's a nice place [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► it's really big noise future saying it [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► looks kind of like it looks a little bit [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► like a shitty grill like you get a park [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► that kind of lattice except as a [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► building that's the building [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► it's like at least like seven eight [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► stories high no I'm on the 9th floor and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there's who there's floors above me I [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► think there's 14 Florida oh this is [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► beautiful it I what I what I think it is [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► it's it's exactly the same lattice that [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► you would use if you were doing inside [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► someone's artery and opening it up after [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► and filled with black it's a building [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► made of stents it's a stint that's right [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► square stand you know what you don't [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► like about this John Rocket sub [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► brutalist it's not it's not full on [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► brutalist it's not truly brutal and just [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► kind of aggressive it's the right it [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► would be at home in a in Brasilia yes [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► but it would also be at home stay here [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► in LA [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► I've got a lot of people climb this [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► thing it looks really climbable Shh [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► sorry my bad we get in trouble pencil so [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► that's my saga Here I am halfway through [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► a an RV adventure my first my debut RV [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► adventure and I'm in a downtown [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► podcasting office [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► well here's the thing I we've known each [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► other for over a decade now and there's [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► a question I I don't ask too often [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► because it's none of my fucking business [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► but what the hell are you doing [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► mhm mhm you like I keep my powder dry [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► for that 1i bring that one out every [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► couple years it's yeah my biannual [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► question what the hell are you doing [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► right now are you in a few expect so [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► here's looking at call someone [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► this is very confusing to me so did I [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► tell you that I went to see a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► psychiatrist [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► don't mention this yeah you did yeah you [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► actually talked about it on air and it [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► sound like you were giving a game [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► attempt do you say in your words but [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► it's not like you're it was a game [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► attempt to say okay let's give this a [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► throw [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► sure let's give this a try and so so the [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► psychiatrist it gave me a whole saga [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► about bipolar 2 and we're going to give [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► you some anti-seizure medication because [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► inexplicably that works and bipolar to [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► no one knows why also works for ADHD is [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► that right that's right that's right we [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► talked about that so i started taking [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► this stuff in it look 4a and I went [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► through the whole thing I was like all [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► the things that I normally would would [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► not do like for instance when he said we [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► need to take it for two weeks at a very [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► minut dose just to make sure you're not [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► allergic to [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► yeah and I was like ah that's so [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► laborious is it all of our cut the size [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► a little maybe [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► ok does that seem like a good little [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► Goodman and I said that's a that is an [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► antiserum it [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► vacation with a black box warning that [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► basically watch out for the first week [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► because you may get a deadly skin [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► disease there it is that's the one limit [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► all start with like half start you start [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► real real low you ramp up and then you [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► wrap the shit down right when you take [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that super interesting i took that we [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► did for several years [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► oh you did oh yeah oh ok well we know [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► anyway why don't we interrupt this is [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► your story but I also i will give you a [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► wonderful analogy that my shrink gave me [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► for how it works [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► ok yeah so anyway you got a black box [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► warning you talk to the shrink [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► yeah jesus christ is fascinating well so [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► yeah right now in our podcast has never [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► been let's compare medications podcast [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► but I'll that everything's kind of [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► podcast i love that [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► yeah it's good it's good that we're [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► breaking off so I'm taking this stuff [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► I've never taken a a psychological [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► medication before right except like it [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► but you know back in the day at parties [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► people be like I'm on lithium and I'd be [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► like really give me four and it gave me [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► for lithium and then there'd be this [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► uncomfortable screaming in my head and [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► I'm like I don't want to take that [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that's the street name for that they [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► call that something up [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► yeah that doing some salt ok let's get [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► salty and and then people would say like [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► well that's not a lithium works you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► don't just take four of them and like [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► get a buzz that's that's not that's [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► harsh my mellow as well and I was like [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► you and then everybody's antidepressants [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► I would always like I would always take [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► a handful of them to see what they did [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► and that's not how they work and so I [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► was just like I don't want to take any [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► of that stuff it's all bad it makes it's [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► like taking msg but anyway so this is [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the first time I've ever taken at some [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► kind of medication that's meant to [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► affect my whatever my personality my [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► personality and but I did that I did [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► what he said I took it two weeks at this [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► my new dose I was just so bored of that [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► but I'm like you're trying to be you try [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► to like join the normals you're trying [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► to be a snork like just do it do what [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► they say when i started to take a little [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► bit more two weeks at a little bit more [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► and I was just like this is just come on [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► let's get to the good part [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► right in it you do have to take it super [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► slowly and I'm still your story [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it takes a while for it to do anything [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► mm because you've got to get to the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► target dose which you want to do super [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► slowly so you don't die from the skin [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► thing right I want to get the skin thing [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► so then I get up to the minimum what he [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► described as the minimum therapeutic [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► dose and he said if you do not have [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► bipolar disorder you can take this stuff [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► all day and won't do anything to you it [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► doesn't have any there's no side effects [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► and it doesn't it does not active on [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► someone it just has some effect that we [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► don't we don't understand and cannot [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► quantify what does have him and [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► measurable effect on people that suffer [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► from this this condition which we also [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► don't understand about you very much [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► pitch everything you love about medicine [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► in one paragraph yeah I was just like [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► well shit why don't we throw eggs at the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► wall we don't think we don't we don't [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► exactly know what's wrong with you but [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► we have a name for it and drug that may [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► or may not work we invented a name for [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it and now i'm sitting here because I [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► went to college for a long time whoo [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► and anyway so I'm taking this stuff and [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► then in the course of a very short [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► amount of time i wrote a song i sent it [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► to a man she recorded it and is now [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► talking about putting it on a new record [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► and then I bought an RV off of a like a [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► parking lot in the rain from a guy and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► was like great [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► here's the money and then I drove it off [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that Todd was like now I own this [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► yeah and I've been making some very very [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► exciting decisions across the whole [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► broad spectrum of my life that are just [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► that seem like great decision and I'm [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► very excited by them and then at a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► certain point about two weeks and I was [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► like hey there there seems to be a there [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► seems to be a pattern [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► um the all the all these decisions are [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► like there-there they're fairly dramatic [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► dick but I feel great about them and i'm [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► sleeping well it's not like I'm it's not [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► like I'm in a manic state where I'm [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► always sleeping three hours a day like [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► getting a full night's sleep but i am [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► i'm absolutely exhibited signs these are [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► these are all choices i would make when [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► i was on a on a on a tear [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► let's say yeah but but i don't i'm not i [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► don't feel like i'm suffering the the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► other symptoms of a manic episode which [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► are then I don't sleep that I forget to [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► eat that I you know I'm not like [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► gambling a lot right but in and you know [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► sometimes at two o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I'll go on ebay and I by five or six [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► different patches from world war two [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► veteran like last man standing clubs but [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► that seems normal [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► so anyway it's it all seems very related [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► i don't know if i would have the the [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► gumption to buy an RV and and then set [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► off driving into California with almost [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► no preparation I don't think I would do [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► that in in a depressed state but it also [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► like I'm handling things that I when the [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► water pump blew up in eugene i didn't [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► just walk away from it and get on a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► train right like I fixed it and so so [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► I'm I feel like I'm i am part of an [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► experiment right now her and maybe maybe [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► it's maybe I'm the experiment and the [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► experimenter but I'm and I'm taking [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► medication and I making some making some [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► adventure choices must be an exciting [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► well we'll see we'll see six months from [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► now because i did i did get a call for [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► climbing the American cement company but [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► i did get a call from my accountant [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► recently and she said you don't have any [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► you ran for public office earlier this [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► her and you didn't make any money doing [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that that's a call you don't get you [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► spent all you spent money doing that and [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► not only that but everything you did [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► everything you bought when you're [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► running for office you can't deduct the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► duck many of them [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► Oh God and then you just stopped running [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► for office just what couple of months [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► ago and you had it's not like you had a [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► it's not like he had a wall of money [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► that you that you needed to unlock that [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► was motivating rather than depressive [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► yes well yeah but what she was saying [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► was your in California in an RV in a [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► 40-year old RV and and you are out of [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► money so choose wisely choose wisely [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► what I'm what things you buy at autozone [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► like don't just go in and buy cup [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► holders for the whole RV if you need a [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► cup holder by one but don't kid it all [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► out you know like I have to have to be [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► choosy right now so that's where I'm at [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► wow you're having sometimes and [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► sometimes i'm gonna i'm gonna do some [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► shows in LA with aimee mann im gonna [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► come up to San Francisco and do some [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► shows with Amy and their yea year and is [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► gonna be there not going to be there and [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► liz phair we may get a babysitter and [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► come to that Jonathan Coulton also yep [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► heard of him and then we're going to fly [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► across the country to boston and i'm [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► going to leave the RV in San Francisco [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► somewhere and no one I know everyone i [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► know in San Francisco lives in a in a in [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► an apartment basically you know [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► townhouse [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► yeah no RV parking at your house for [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► instance which talk because there are [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► and there are streets where people park [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► their RVs sure but I don't know if I'm I [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► don't know if I could live there two [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► weeks is a long time that's a long time [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► you need a friend who moved it for you [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► yeah that's right we need a friend with [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► the daughter who wanted to go for a ride [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► in an RV across the Golden help you as a [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► friend with a daughter who won't stop [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► talking about when Uncle John will be [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► here he should come for at least a [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► couple days because i really want to [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► ride around the yeah well and and one of [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► the great one of the great enticements [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► of the RV is that it was a it was it was [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► restored [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► let's call it restored in the eighties [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► during a time when one of the popular [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► upholstery colors was something i call [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► black berry smoothie yeah black berry [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► smoothie with an extra dollop of yogurt [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► so it's like pinky pinky purple and it [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► really it really makes the the fake wood [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► grain paneling it really makes it pop [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► over so I people a lot of people might [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► make a decision like that makes it look [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► a little over-the-top i'm guessing it [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► looks very accurate for the period [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► it looks accurate for the period up it [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► looks accurate for the period that it [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► was restored right it doesn't look [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► accurate for the 1975 in 1975 it would [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► have all been like orange it's pretty [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► much every apartment i've ever lived in [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► we're like you kinda wish it looked the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► way it looked when it was built if you [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► get all man mid-century modern yeah but [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► you know they had a couple extra grand [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► in 1975 and these did it yeah yeah [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that's exactly right it was like 80 it [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► was like 84 and the guy had a deal [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► he went to the point where java cotton [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► refrigerator see that here he was like [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► get those out of here yet it yet it he [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► had like a maybe had a credit at the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► discount carpet where I was expiring and [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► he's the credit that's right and the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► people there were like you know we got a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► huge order a for like carpet for the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► ramada inn and we have like a couple of [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► extra rolls just enough to do a movie so [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► there's a little bit of a robot a little [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► bit of a convention center carpet and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and then this black berry smoothie [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► upholstery it's a it's a sight to behold [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► this sounds like a very exciting time [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► yeah it's a wonderful time so that was [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► that the surprise [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► Oh of the surprise i said i have [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► surprise [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► well the surprise was that I was going [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► to call you from maximum fun had that's [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► so cool [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► ya casi question of course um so if you [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► are open to considering the idea that [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► there are times in the past when you've [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► been more up and down [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► yeah mom at app when you look back on [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► this times can you recognize in [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► retrospect that you were a little bit up [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► at the time but when you look back at [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► like a couple three episodes from the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► past whatever 10 15 20 years are you [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► able to look at you oh yeah I was [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► probably a little bit manic yeah yeah I [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► mean now that you've maybe got a name [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► for it maybe provisional [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► can you kind of see it it's easier to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► see the times when you're really [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► cratering who I'm because you just leave [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► a much darker streak on the on the on [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► your personal timeline [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► it's like stick your thumb on the ink [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► pad and just scraping across those three [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► months of the calendar right just like [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► lork yep but when you when you start to [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► of in my case when I start to put [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► together the like well that was the [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► summer that I burned because I was [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► depressed and they didn't nothing [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► happened and that was them that was a [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► dark time and then that was a and then [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► over here that was a dark time and then [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► you look at the times in between and you [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► know there's some normalcy in there but [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► there's also like oh that's kind of when [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► i recorded the first long winters record [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► and you know oh right so I was really [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► depressed for four months and then there [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► are a couple of months in there and then [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I recorded a record where I was like [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► what i wrote a bunch of songs and was in [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► the studio 18 hours a day and then I was [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► normal for a while and then I was really [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► depressed you can't show Oh maybe maybe [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► those maybe I made those records and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► went on those long long long crazy tours [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► and walked across Europe and rode a [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► motorcycle you know from Seattle to [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► Kansas without any tools or luggage and [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► certainly that's seven-sided like that [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► sucks appear [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► yeah and you're like well maybe there's [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► a connection between those things to [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► write which which I always felt like was [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► just my normal personality and and I was [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► plagued by depression which felt like a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► foreigner rights which people i have [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► this is not clinical advice I'm just [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► saying things I've heard and I've heard [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that is from people who know these [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► things that bipolar is frequently [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► misdiagnosed as depression and then you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► end up giving almost exactly the wrong [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► drugs as a result so i never i had [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► several manic episodes where it was [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► clearly where I was clearly peaking and [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► would say things to me like are you like [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► are you sure like um you know where I [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► was very much and you know I never went [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► to vegas and like gambled my house but [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► you know several episodes like that but [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► for the most part when I was high when I [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► was having when I was not feeling mania [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► that felt great and normal felt like the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► person I wanted to be so I never [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► diagnosed those as a problem and the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► only reason that it's that I even went [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► to a psychiatrist was that those times [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► had been getting lower and lower like it [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► wasn't it the depression the depressions [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► were getting lower and lower but also I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► wasn't ever soaring right and so he [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► looks like overtime just to be clear you [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► like when you look back out at six [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► months a year or whatever later you know [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► we see I like your notion of the crater [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► as a creator cannot only be deep but [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► wide and you can kind of gauge like how [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► hard that your head for him or for how [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► long right [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► we think about like losing a summer or [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► something even look at that in [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► retrospect an identifier for what it was [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► yeah and how bad it was yeah and it felt [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► like well there's three that's three [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► months that that's gone but that's not [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► that big of a deal [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► um it's not that big a deal to lose [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► three months [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it doesn't feel worth taking medicine [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► I'm because it's not it's not three [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► months out of every six it's like three [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► months every couple of years or three [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► months every 18 months but when I [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► stopped when I stop getting them the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► peaks like for the last five years the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► best I was was coping coping was like [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the best I could report and the rest of [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► the time I was scraping just just [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► scraping the undercarriage on them on [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the on-ramp like like going to whether [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► it wasn't enough to stop the vehicle but [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I definitely made the right less fun [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► well you can just like you just know [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► you're doing damage you're doing damage [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► to the under care [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► right and so going in and talking to the [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► to this guy and hearing him say like the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► problem with bipolar is as you get older [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► your bottoms get lower and your tops get [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► lower to the was just like that's [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► exactly what it feels like [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► so anyway I'm taking this crazy stuff [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► and like I don't feel anymore i don't [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► feel medicated at all i just feel very [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► very faintly the very edge of my [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► periphery a kind of twinkle or or buzzed [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► his maybe like it just a tiny little bit [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► of not static but some awareness at the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► edge of my vision that there's something [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► different huh [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► and it feels a little bit in some ways [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► like like a supporting hand so [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► interesting you should say that one [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► thing it's a lot like Buddhism you don't [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► really you don't really you don't really [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► notice what normal feels like until you [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► don't have it anymore and the easiest [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► example that anybody can call to mind is [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► when you suddenly get a terrible cold [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► and you get one of those that is a cold [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► but that kind of like where you're [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► wrecked or two or three weeks and 4 1st [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► for another and it's not the same thing [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► it's an analogy but you you feel like [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► you're getting worse and worse and worse [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► and worse or source and then finally at [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► some point like three weeks in you have [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► a day where you wake up and you feel [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► this is a very important phrase in my [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► life where you feel less bad like his [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► mother called hey are you three feeling [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► better and i would say you know i'm not [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► feeling better but I'm feeling less bad [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► and that's a nice day because you [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► realize if there's a possibility at that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► point you don't know how long you're [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► going to be sick but you do know that if [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► you're feeling a little bit less bad day [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► after day that's a really good trend and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► finally maybe three or four days and you [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► wake up and you don't feel normal [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► but you don't feel like you're getting [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► sicker and you feel like it's just [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► getting closer to what normal might feel [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► like you're still sick but you don't [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► feel engulfed by the sickness [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► mhm that's what that reminds me of is [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► that feeling of like you know I'm not [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► high but I'm feeling a little bit more [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► normal and normal actually feels weird [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► now because this is not what I've been [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► used to i'm not used to [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► feeling depressed or anxious all the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► time like this seems strange should be [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► depressed and anxious about this [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► no well it didn't stick that's [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► interesting this seems like a good trend [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► yeah and also and also just be super [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► quickly what the string that said to me [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► about what that stuff does lipitor and [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► why are we putting it out so that no I [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► don't think so [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► all right little O mcdonnell/the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► wouldn't order to look at or help your [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► dick cheney heart are you think it helps [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► your heart fats ya the way he described [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► it was if you can imagine that you're an [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► easy you know I admittedly this is again [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► another analogy a big analogy but if you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► think about your personality being a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► roughly the consistency of like unfixed [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► gelatin you think about it in a box [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► the problem is a lot of the ways that we [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► the feelings that we get the personality [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► aspects that we get 10 to look like we [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► find a lot of that gelatin kind of going [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► down to this one end of the box and the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► problem is when you're trying to deal [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► with something like bipolar you don't [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► want to give somebody so much stuff that [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► makes all the jelly fly to the other end [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► what you want is it just you can almost [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► think you think about it just gelatin [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► almost like pizza dough where you want [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► this thing to be this the same flatness [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► all-around not to be without effect but [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► to not have big second bits are huge [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► spikes and that's what this the stuff [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► does it's not gonna make you feel [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► hi it's not going to give you a rush [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► just in the sense that it's going to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► keep you from having lows and highs and [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► it just happens that you get people for [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► I think grand mal seizures and it seems [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► to kind of work for some people off [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► label especially for the side effects of [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► ADHD medicines but even by itself it can [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► help people [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► I believe this is not medicine please [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► but i like you know go see doctor please [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► but but i can't help people who have [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► some personality balance issues he [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► thinks i to me that's least in my head [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► maybe i need more medicine but that's [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that's that's kind of the package that's [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► what you're looking for in a day where [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► you feel less shitty is a good day even [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► if you don't feel awesome because you [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► know what feeling too awesome is not a [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► great day as you've learned [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► yes well so I'm kind of wrestling now [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► with the question is is my I'll i always [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► used to feel that my normal personality [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► capable at any moment of buying an RV [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and driving off the lot to California [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that just felt like who I was [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► some people are waiting to get jumped in [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► an alley other people are waiting to [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► fall in love just knowing it could be [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► somebody out there when I walk into a [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► room I could meet my mate for life you [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► you're walking around you know this [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► could be the day this week the day is [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► gonna be the RV day I might fall in love [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► with an RB today I might actually I met [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► blender truck stop and fall in love with [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► a girl and take her in the RV but when [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► it but so now i'm now I'm wondering [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► basically I don't want to go back to the [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► psychiatrist because I sit down in the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► psychiatrist's office and I say and he's [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► like how's it going [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► I think great great i mean amazing and i [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► start to report some of the things that [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► I've been doing [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► haha right he might say whoa whoa [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► we have got to adjust the dosage because [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► that also that seems a little radical [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and he say hang on a minute give me a [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► projector have a 193 slide presentation [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► I'd like to show you but it's got [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► animations gonna guess that found out on [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► that exactly have you first of all what [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► you need to do is follow me on instagram [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► but second of all um no I don't want to [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► adjust the medication like I'm very [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► intrigued by this present amount of what [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► feels like a fairly stable state which [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► is elevated over any recent like stable [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► level that I've had in the last five [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► years and if that is the new normal for [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► me that's wonderful and i will keep [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► taking exactly this dosage I don't want [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► anymore I don't want any less I'm just [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► like let me work this out myself i may [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► go bankrupt [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► I'm a for a while have three or four [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► different vintage fill sandbags coming [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► in the mail from ebay that i bought in [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► the middle of the night and i can i can [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► i can find a home for those and i can [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► make more money just let me work this [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► don't don't mess around with me but he [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► may say like no this is a dangerous like [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► basically buying a vintage RV is one of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the signs in the dsm-5 that a person is [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► over medicated and I don't want to hear [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► that this hacker to buy vintage RV daily [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► for more than six months just feel like [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► don't mess around with me right now I'm [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► okay it's not a thing you know it does [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► not feel at all like this is a [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► medication that I would want to abuse [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► i'm never gonna take two of them because [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► I don't feel it i just feel it would be [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► it would be like wanting to take more [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► penicillin [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► yeah right exactly you're looking to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► take more antabuse it's like it's not [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► gonna it's not gonna be that fun but [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► we'll see [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► right i mean because they're there are [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► plenty of instances in the past where it [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► felt very normal but I was in a mania [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► and i did wake up in Morocco and if i [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► wake up in Morocco at any point I know [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► that I've gone too far right buddy you [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► need you need to give these bullet [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► points to a buddy right it's sort of [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► like you know what you know saying like [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► you want if i come to you and say let's [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► go to Morocco no matter how kind of what [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► you hear in there don't open the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► two-dimensional after 11pm you know to [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► lock me in in the in the bathroom if you [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► receive a collect call from Morocco and [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► I'm asking you to buy a filter bag for [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► me right there are the net [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► that's right throw the net call Interpol [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► so so it so anyway the next few months [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► are going to be very interesting [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► yeah we'll just see how that will see [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► how this pans out [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► i'm here at maximum fun i feel like i [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► could just live here [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► I feel like they could you know there's [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► a there's an empty desk feel like I [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► could settle in [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► I bet they'd love that great would be [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► just be walking around people John [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► what's going to I got to get going we're [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► all you know over the old American [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► cement company building [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► yeah I would love to say that I got a [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► desk over there the problem is as you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► know i'm i'm useless for doing jobs [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► yours until you stop don't you stop that [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► John Roderick you useless for most jobs [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► let's be honest but there's probably [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► there's a very special place for a very [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► special little guy out there [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► yeah you know food maybe maybe just he [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► would get a little matching but slightly [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► small [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► autodesk matching his desk and then [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► scooted up so that hit the small [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► slightly smaller desk was facing his [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► desk so I would sit and look at him [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► while i was working and he would come [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► and he would love that he would look [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► he'd be looking at it at the that the [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► pictures of his family on the desk [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► trying to avoid eye contact with me [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► yeah you know after six or eight weeks i [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► bet that'd be even more fun and he's [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► super into it i have a desk blotter and [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► I would just be sketching him all day [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► but you could cowork maybe until they [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► find the right position for you and that [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► maximum fun Corp but maybe you could [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► work i'm watching just be thrown at his [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► desk right now through you kidding me [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► he's not he doesn't he doesn't know i'm [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► watching see podcasting he's looking at [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► a computer [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► his hands are poised on the keyboard but [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► he's not pushing any buttons what he's [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► out know he had a finger poised over [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► some I bet his up at his hands are very [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► very supple their soft bodies a gentle [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► lover but you're gonna be the one [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► working there you'll find out [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► that's right i mean he's always pulling [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► on his beard now he's now he's like [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► pushing on his I the sides of his eyes [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► which is a weird save some of this for [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► your show with Dan you're right you're [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► right i'm so this is an exciting time I [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► but you know let's keep it positive for [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► a minute just for a minute first of all [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► congratulations on writing some stuff [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► oh yeah thank you that's been a total [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you've been pushing for a while and that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► must be a great feeling well it was a [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► little weird I wrote it I was writing [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► this song and it was definitely like a [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► song for me it was a song where I was [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► exploring some of the major themes of my [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► work sitting at the piano when I was [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► writing slow dirge about how love is a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► shitshow and then I got to a point you [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► should send that one to Pat Benatar love [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► is a shit no is a shitshow don't get to [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► people i don't think pad is taking [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► submissions now but I was talking to Amy [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► separately and she was like I'm working [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► on a new record and herpa derpa derp and [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and then I was separately writing this [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► song and I you know and and I was going [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► through my normal process which was i [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► wrote a thing i liked it then I was [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► trying to make it better and I couldn't [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► make it better [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► I was trying to try this i tried that [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► that word was wrong i tried to make it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► better and i just made it worse was kind [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► of falling down all around me a little [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► bit of a sugar castle and I got to that [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► point where I was like I thought that I [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► was onto something i thought i had [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► written a good thing but it turns out [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► that it's garbage and there's no way [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► through here I can't get to the other [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► side and I kind of set it aside and then [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► for whatever reason [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► possibly because I've been doing that [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► for for several years possibly this [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► lipitor not actually lipitor let me [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► limit or ask your doctor if whatever [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► this is right for you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► um cause me to go back to this this like [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► unformed slightly dissolved song and I i [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► went back to it and took it apart [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► basically eliminated almost all the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► lyrics but but used keywords to write a [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► new set of words that were way better [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► and then the chorus suggested itself and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► all of a sudden I had a song I'd built [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► by taking this dissolved cat sugar [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► castle and had what you know i had a [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like him i had a tent city in the desert [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► all of a sudden and that is a familiar [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► process for me that's how I wrote songs [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► that's why I've always written songs you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► write a thing unless it's perfect the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► first time you end up having to take it [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► apart and that's hard to do it's it's um [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► there's a certain amount of suffering [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► involved but then you come out the other [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► side with the thing that you could not [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► have predicted you couldn't have seen [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► that this was the gonna be the end [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► result when you started and so I did all [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► that and I had this thing and I was very [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► close to finishing it and then again [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► maybe it's the maybe it's the like a [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► ladder rail or whatever it is but I said [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► hey aimee mann's working on a new record [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► we were just talking about it and I just [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► send it to our spontaneous [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► made a recording into my iphone of me [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► sitting at the piano going here's a song [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► i hope you like it song and then send it [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► like sensitive little with a little file [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► from the iphone recording and she wrote [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► back was like that's amazing [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► what do you want me to do when I was [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► like I don't finish it and so Amy [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► doesn't let any grass grow she finished [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► in two days and she did a very [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► interesting thing which was took [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► ownership of it like I sent it to her it [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► would I proposed a collaboration she [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► accepted that proposal at which point [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► the song became her because she's gonna [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► put it on her record and so and it was [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► unfinished right I didn't say like [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► here's a here's my finished complete [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► work was like here's the thing want to [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► want to co-write with me and she was [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► like yes and went boom and then the song [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► went away from me [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► Wow and she took she went through the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► lyrics and that every instance where [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► there was a line that was very John [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► Roderick in the sense that it was very [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► impressionist aqui [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► like what i was getting at was through [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► several layers of oil paint I was you [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► know I was making starry night and she [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► went through and really sort of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► literalized those lines and intimate [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► most in most cases it was the last line [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► of the verse and say I was standing [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► there you were in a wingback chair I was [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► climbing up the stair and then the gas [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► fires of the refinery on the edge of the [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► coast created a wave of Black Knight [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► sound of gong and she took the whole gas [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► fires line out and replaced it with a [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► shorter line that rhyme with stare at [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► the end [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► that made sense and I was like whoa whoa [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► whoa bro she's a pro yeah but I felt I [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► felt like it did three lines in a row [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► around you might want to the fourth 12 [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► yeah and not have it be about gas [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► refinery and what was the gas refinery [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► thing again and I was like what is the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► gas refinery think I mean isn't that [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► painting that's just you need to use [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► that somewhere else John just keep it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► before the next moment but he a seed [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► corn my friend right right seed corn but [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► so it was so emotionally it was i was [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► little bit like I haven't I have not [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► collaborated with people in this way [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► where i sent them i think i was writing [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► for myself and they took it and made it [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► for themselves but she made it sound [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► like any man song just by changing those [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► weird sentences into ones that like [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► actually fit and so I called Jonathan [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► Coleman I was like Hamlet's tell me walk [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► me through this and he said well here's [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► the thing when i write a song in [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► collaboration with somebody i do one of [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► two things either I either they sent me [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► half of the song and I try to write try [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► to finish it in their voice or I'll [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► start writing a song for someone in what [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I imagine is their voice Wow [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► and so that song that I saying on his [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► record his last record [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► um the Nemesis he brought that to me [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► because he said I wrote this song in [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► imitation of your song right sounds a [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► lot like one of your songs [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► yeah he said this is just a song that I [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► wrote for you and it would only sound [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► appropriate will be using with using was [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like oh that's an interesting skill you [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► have the UM you know to do impressions [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► of other people songwriting but so he [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► said when I write songs with somebody [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► I'm i do not feel proprietary about them [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► because I'm already writing them with [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► them in mind i'm not i would never [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► consider singing these myself and so [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► that was the difference i had written [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► this thing and Adam and was just writing [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► it the way I normally do which is [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► imagining myself singing it and now it's [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► taken honest it's now has a now has its [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► own life it's it's it's left me behind [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► it's like it's gone to college and [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► and I tried to call it over and say [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► how'd you get this number say that i [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► miss it you know and that but i'm still [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► whatever needs to talk to me and it is [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► busy it doesn't want it sort of sending [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► me right to voicemail [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► ok so we'll see I mean that's exciting [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► why i agree i said wow you got a lot of [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► angles hear me [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► it's a little lot of angles in play I'm [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► drinking some coffee that I got across [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► the street from the American cement [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► building a honduran restaurant haha i [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► have one in your lap in that photo Jesse [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► put up any so just just published a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► photo of me almost a photo of you uh [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Institute this is the thing if you [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► literally literally under glass if [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► you're following along on Instagram you [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► really you could be could be three steps [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► ahead of me [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► yeah I know I I don't but but I i catch [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► glimpses of it because you make it go to [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► Twitter and then I see your RV and it's [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► like a little game of where's waldo it's [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► a little uh you know which john parked [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► yeah where was he doing yeah the first [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► thing just he said when I walked in with [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► you like oh hey mr. Hawaiian shirt [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► november i was like saving that one for [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► okay well done i am mr. Hawaiian shirt [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► in November let's go investigate [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► somebody haha [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► Sherlock it's locked no i was i was [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► wearing a t-shirt for the last several [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► days and then when I woke up this [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► morning I was like this t-shirt has run [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► its course [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna start i'm going to start [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► going to start scaring little kids with [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► this is not sure so I put on the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► Hawaiian shirt that I bought at a thrift [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► store and people I feel really good i'm [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► in a tropical climate are you gonna tell [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► us when you're coming here or will you [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► find out from Instagram you know get [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► stuff we gotta do at school and all [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► right you guys have like your lives that [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► you live somewhere yeah is it we we give [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► us some kind of rough sense of like like [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► when you're at the bridge or something [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► yeah it's later on this week okay great [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► san francisco right [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► Oh like the type that in right here on [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► my my scheduling machine later three [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► I think maybe the three nights a week [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► three nights in San Francisco [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► okay terrific two of them have i'm [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► playing shows at some venue that I don't [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► know with the with this calf or [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► mentioned [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► master of exciting young performers [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► these kids are doing great stuff today [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► John are you falling with young people [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► are doing with music [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► well yeah you know I so the song I wrote [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► for amy is actually an EDM track and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► doesn't have a drop i worked for hours [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► on the drop bears just like they just [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► want to put it in the exact perfect spot [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► so we really really rob it is it's about [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► it's about where you place the drop and [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► what you want to do is you want to [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► create tension by not delivering the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► drop know you want people to wait for it [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► and want it again a gentle lover [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► it's coming just not yet here it comes [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► soft soft fingers and once it comes you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► know it's just one big splash right here [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► one drop right one drop and then pow [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► yep and that's unless puts a lot of [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► pressure on the drop em you know what I [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► mean that's in the author of the drop [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► Itoh one shot at that you get one shot [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► do not miss your chance to blow this [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► opportunity comes once in a lifetime [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► mmm thinking of a master plan [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► nothing but sweat inside my hand what's [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► going on in your life [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► I mean nothing nothing ya know you know [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► all the same time I'm not going to [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► attempt to compete with you on this [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► youyou've having your Jesse studio yeah [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► I don't want to waste his time he's [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► probably other stuff to get the guy that [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► got have the flophouse guys come in [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► together the canadian guy with the beard [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► gotta be there [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► podcasting brothers in the brothers and [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► brothers got all these people they'll [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► come into that office [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► do they know sure they do know they make [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► podcast those the the the my brothers [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► and me is make the podcast in North [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► Carolina mountains or something I don't [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► no i don't know that i think the [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► flophouse act like they're at dan's [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► house but i think they actually other [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► than I think they actually probably go [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► you should listen to fall apart house [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► it's a very good program also i'm in [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► this studio and there are few things [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► that are there a little bit [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► well they're a little bit different from [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► my gosh you know what come up you'll [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► forgive me John I'm busy talking about [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► the limit the drill got my head up my [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► ass [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► tell me a little bit about what it's [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► like to be in Jesse studio oh yeah well [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► you steam anything yet when you have a [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► chance to steam something you could go [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► get your shirt out of the car and steam [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► it i thought that maybe I would go to a [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► store right now and buy a couple of [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► suits just to come in and steam them as [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► there's we think he's kind of wrinkled I [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► don't know if I want this there's a [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► shout there's not only a shower here in [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► this officers a bathtub and I'm [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► wondering i'm seriously since I walked [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► in here open [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► I've been just sitting and thinking like [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► okay what is the propriety of me just [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► taking a bath at me a question is the [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► bathtub in the same physical room as the [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► primary toilet [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► no oh yes don't take a bath because [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► somebody has used it as a guest bath [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► during a party [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► well i don't i'm not sure they've ever [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► had a party here there's really no i'm [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► not sure that they party business [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► business business right i mean Matthew I [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► mean I've been to a lot of Max fun [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► parties and I don't think anyone has [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► ever used a bathtub from for a party and [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► I'm a different kind of that it's a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► classy crowd it's a google glass here [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► it's their little bit more there [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► discerning but I'm just trying to think [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► like how much of a violation of [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► everyone's psycho-sexual space it would [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► be for me to just be like can I take a [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► bath here and then just I'd be in the [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► bath there are unfailingly polite is the [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► thing they're having a hard being [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► English in a lot of wear super polite [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► and they would you know no one would [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► want to say no but they're all sitting [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► at their desks and this is the also the [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► worthy go to the bathroom [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► yeah so I just been there you know and I [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► take it to take a long you have a long [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► bath and just being there blue you [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► should give me a heads-up give him time [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► to maybe give it a good scrub you got [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► yourself a chili dog and a bathtub desk [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► and maybe pick up a suit the chicken [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► steamed come in steam suit you don't get [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► it i'm guessing there's not a bathtub in [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► the RV know there is a shower but i have [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► not yet a christened the shower [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► you're kidding me ah i was showering [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► three times a day I don't know it just [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► feels a little bit like I a boy once you [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► start showering in there you you've [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► crossed a kind of rubicon where your [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► fate is sealed like sharing a needle [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► John it's like that's when you've really [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► you become part of the RV people will [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► bathe in it you have to take Rome at [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► that point because because you've [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► declared war just by classic crossing [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► the room cancer back so i don't know i [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► mean i'm gonna do it [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► it has to be done i hope so but I'm just [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► I'm just I'm sitting there by parked off [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► melrose i'm at the corner of Melrose [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► into [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► spare and I just picture myself getting [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► in the shower all around me people are [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► walking really small dogs [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► ladies and gentlemen just feels don't [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► want to disturb your day I know you're [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► busy making films and boots but could [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► help out down-on-his-luck musician whose [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► bathing innovation it feels like I [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► should have one of those good sam club [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► stickers on the back of my RV I don't [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► know that's code that serious code good [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► sam club [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► oh you think what do you think that's [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► key party I wasn't gonna say it i was [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► gonna say i think yes primarily sure [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► it's about helping out a brother or [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► sister friend when they're having [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► trouble with their RV but it's also a [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► little bit about you know back in the [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► queen-size yeah you put upon pull your [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► RV up into the slot next to my RV we [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► were little because the other keys now [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► we don't have been that's right Willie [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► the world like it's okay well speaking [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► of a it will leave a light on for you [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► atlanta for you [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► yeah speaking of good sam club so GM [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► cr-v culture has a thing called the [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► black list and when I heard about the [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► black list at first I was like really [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► the black list [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► really you guys you're all [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► eighty-five-year-old boeing engineers is [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► it really called the black list they're [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► like the blacklist you need to get the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► black list [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► I can't wait to hear the black list is [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► ok for me to know if I haven't been [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► initiated [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► well this is the thing is if the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► blacklist it's just like limit until if [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► you don't have a GMC RV the blacklist [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► means nothing to you [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► oh I get it I get it it only matters if [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► you have a GMC RV and with the black [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► list is is a list of people nationwide [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► who are GMC aficionados Oh Who if you're [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► in trouble you're in a scrape scrape in [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► Shasta California you are a little bit [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► off the road in peoria illinois go to [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► the black list call somebody [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► it's like the wolf like the wolf it [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► comes out and cleans up [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► that's right comes out it is acura nsx [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► huh never touches the thing just issues [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► some orders yet there were two point the [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► hose that's right and then splits with [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► drunken sex sister [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► that's right mhm [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► um so I'm outside eugene i pull over [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► into one of those rest stops to rest i [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► get out [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► I you know I'm i do a visual check and I [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► see antifreeze pouring out from [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► underneath the vehicle shit which you [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► don't have to be a mechanic to know is a [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► is contraindicated for continuing to [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► move down the road so I go fill a milk [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► carton well somebody else in RV pulls up [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► in there like they see me looking [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► panicked and they have [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► panicked and they have [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► me they go back into their RV in handy a [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► milk jug there like fill it up with for [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► water and get you down the road [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► I was like thank you RV brother but it [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► wasn't a GMC RV with someone tell Large [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► Marge sent you [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► yeah like you know I gave them i gave [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► them some kind of Masonic sign and they [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► looked confused [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► we only had the thing that really have [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► the city gave them make them like the [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► American Sign Language sign for hungry [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► kids like like you're like little babies [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► deal with a they make points with the [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► fingers and him together to say more [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► more more MORE [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► but i but I filled it up with water and [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► I drove to Eugene and I called a guy on [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► the black list [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► whoa and he answers the phone his name [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► is Kelvin I was like that's apropos [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► that's a code name John and I said hey [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► is this company was like yeah and i said [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► hi I'm calling from the black list and [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► he was like oh tell me more [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► I said I'm on the highway and I'm [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► training and fries and he was like well [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► I can't come get you and I said no I [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► mobile and he said oh good [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► come here immediately so I'm driving [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► through eugene all of a sudden through [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► the two neighborhoods out in like west [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► eugene I pull into this guy's driveway I [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► see his GM cr-v underneath them [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► RV cover in the back and in the front is [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► a classic like 67 Datsun b210 b210 wagon [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► custom wagon I was like that's a cool [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► car he comes out he's like we're [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► watching the oregon game [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► are you sure your water pump is busted [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► it might be something else and we get [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► under we look at it was like oh yeah [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► it's a water pump was like no he's like [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► it's friday at five o'clock [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► no place is going to be open us no place [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► is going to be open on Sunday you can [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► sleep in my bar but don't touch my [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► daughter [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► that's right i was like man this sucks [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► you know i'm headed down to California [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► was like yeah and then I kind of said [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► like well I mean shit [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► wherever it is I go I'm gonna be there [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► till monday basically sleeping in [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► somebody's driveway and he was like hmm [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► his wife was yelling at the TV about the [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► football game and he's sitting there [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► he's pulling on his fingers and he's [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► like this probably isn't how the [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► blacklist works this is not exactly it's [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► not an extended-stay it's not a tumble [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► debt situation well it that's the thing [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► know and so and then he starts bass part [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► starts saying to himself under his [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► breath is like really and I'm like he [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► was muttering pay it forward under his [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► breath [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► yeah and so I'm just standing i'm [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► looking at the sky at this point I'm [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► looking down at my shoes and i'm looking [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► at the sky I don't want to I don't want [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► to jinx it i don't want to do anything [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► but I don't know how to change a water [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► pump by myself in somebody's driveway [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► and the temperature was plummeting may I [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► add it was at that time 40 degrees and [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► he's like and after about five minutes [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► of us both stand there kicking the dirt [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► with our shoes he says all right let's [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► do this [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► any calls the autozone he's like do you [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► have the following part figured out what [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► the part is called them they're like [TS]