Roderick on the Line

Ep. 175: "Backwards at Half Speed"


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00:00:20   against humanity this month they invited [TS]

00:00:22   the nerd logs to help me say hi to john [TS]

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00:00:31   John [TS]

00:00:33   [Music] [TS]

00:00:38   lo I John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:50   ack ack it's my back those three letters [TS]

00:00:56   made me laugh out loud I hate monday i [TS]

00:00:59   hate mondays Irving oh em I'm facedown [TS]

00:01:05   in lasagna Oh No [TS]

00:01:08   so I was a sleeping in my box and cody [TS]

00:01:12   came and danced on my head [TS]

00:01:14   000 d 00 d like odious am i right [TS]

00:01:19   mhm mhm my daughter likes Garfield [TS]

00:01:22   because he's lazy [TS]

00:01:23   oh really hmm she's that that's that's [TS]

00:01:26   your spirit animal i think my daughter [TS]

00:01:28   also likes Garfield unclear why doesn't [TS]

00:01:31   get the jokes wants me to read Garfield [TS]

00:01:34   to her i have the entire Garfield [TS]

00:01:36   collection as you can imagine I mean not [TS]

00:01:39   the entire one but every all those [TS]

00:01:42   little those little like a rectangular [TS]

00:01:44   yeah the solid color boxes that other [TS]

00:01:46   one Jim Davis published from 78 to [TS]

00:01:49   whatever 82 love Garfield on floor oh [TS]

00:01:52   yeah it was amazing this he was for his [TS]

00:01:54   time somewhat subversive shucky darn and [TS]

00:01:57   slop the chickens Chucky Chucky darn and [TS]

00:02:03   slop the chickens [TS]

00:02:05   I just introduce my daughter to bloom [TS]

00:02:07   county i read her one bloom county and [TS]

00:02:09   she really liked it [TS]

00:02:11   there's a lot going on in bloom county [TS]

00:02:13   there are a lot of lot of messages now [TS]

00:02:16   right yeah we had a very awkward age [TS]

00:02:18   because I expose my daughter to a lot [TS]

00:02:20   more media i gather then you do with [TS]

00:02:22   yours but I'm we're getting to a point [TS]

00:02:24   where this more stuff that she can watch [TS]

00:02:26   but she's not going to get a lot of the [TS]

00:02:29   jokes right like the jokes in The [TS]

00:02:32   Godfather and godfather two are very [TS]

00:02:34   very like they're not really played for [TS]

00:02:37   laughs no that's true but yea 22 that I [TS]

00:02:40   keep thinking about are there they're [TS]

00:02:43   not entirely appropriate for kids her [TS]

00:02:44   age but you know mainly main reason I [TS]

00:02:47   old office that she won't get the jokes [TS]

00:02:48   one is young frankenstein which is not [TS]

00:02:51   fairly [TS]

00:02:52   engage it's not entirely age-appropriate [TS]

00:02:54   but it is it is still one of my favorite [TS]

00:02:57   funny movie that's amazing but she does [TS]

00:02:59   not unlike our generation she was not [TS]

00:03:02   she is it has not been steeped in [TS]

00:03:04   universal monster culture right or bore [TS]

00:03:07   like classic black-and-white don't know [TS]

00:03:09   your your daughter has more experience [TS]

00:03:11   of like the the great at the Grand era [TS]

00:03:14   of cinema but like the tropes that the [TS]

00:03:17   tropes that movie was mocking right well [TS]

00:03:20   yeah that definitely means I think she [TS]

00:03:22   knows like what about what a Dracula is [TS]

00:03:23   but she's not it wasn't like you know it [TS]

00:03:25   was everywhere when we were kids but [TS]

00:03:27   also like Shh like she loves Marx [TS]

00:03:29   Brothers movies but she generally like [TS]

00:03:32   most kids is with somethings [TS]

00:03:33   black-and-white she's like what is what [TS]

00:03:35   is this broken thing that we're watching [TS]

00:03:36   this is weird but then the other one [TS]

00:03:38   which I watched most of again last night [TS]

00:03:40   is monty python and the holy grail i [TS]

00:03:42   think i'm gonna give that one a couple [TS]

00:03:43   more years yeah there's a lot going on [TS]

00:03:46   there [TS]

00:03:46   yeah and it goes by pretty quick but you [TS]

00:03:48   know she has a flair for enjoying absurd [TS]

00:03:51   humor but you know I think it's worth [TS]

00:03:53   waiting [TS]

00:03:54   I think the best practice to wait until [TS]

00:03:56   your kids probably ready to to get why [TS]

00:03:58   it's funny [TS]

00:03:59   yeah there was I mean we were exposed to [TS]

00:04:02   a lot of of movies and media from the [TS]

00:04:05   forties fifties and sixties when we were [TS]

00:04:07   kids because they're just wasn't that [TS]

00:04:09   much media yes [TS]

00:04:12   yeah and and one when they were [TS]

00:04:13   searching around for something to put on [TS]

00:04:15   the late show it was like well we've got [TS]

00:04:18   we've got these movies and so we we [TS]

00:04:22   watch them as though they were also part [TS]

00:04:26   of our culture right i mean i even in [TS]

00:04:29   the mid-seventies it still was it's that [TS]

00:04:33   I watched a lot of fifties sitcoms as [TS]

00:04:37   though they were I knew they were all [TS]

00:04:39   like i love lucy type stuff well yeah [TS]

00:04:41   and leave it to beaver I mean those were [TS]

00:04:43   those were on in the afternoon but also [TS]

00:04:47   like I got introduced to sixties [TS]

00:04:53   editorial cartoonists by finding old [TS]

00:04:58   playboys and old playboys had a lot of [TS]

00:05:04   the lot of the people writing [TS]

00:05:06   drawing the cartoons the one panel [TS]

00:05:07   cartoons in those old playboys were also [TS]

00:05:11   doing cartoons for The New Yorker you [TS]

00:05:15   know they were they were at the time of [TS]

00:05:17   course playboy was was a hat could [TS]

00:05:20   attract the best writers so like [TS]

00:05:27   what's-his-name kahile kahan oh yeah [TS]

00:05:30   yeah i know he mean I'm out dammit the [TS]

00:05:33   guy with the he drives the really crazy [TS]

00:05:34   looking creatures that look abroad but I [TS]

00:05:38   got an A and Wilson uh well you know [TS]

00:05:44   this is the problem with being there [TS]

00:05:47   someplace to look I'm going to say again [TS]

00:05:49   Wilson Cahan Wilson right so he so like [TS]

00:05:54   his cartoons were in Playboy's that I [TS]

00:05:56   would find under a board in the forest [TS]

00:05:59   which is where you used to find [TS]

00:06:02   Playboy's help people don't remember the [TS]

00:06:03   boards if you were out in the woods and [TS]

00:06:05   there when you saw piece of plywood it [TS]

00:06:07   was always part in the woods [TS]

00:06:09   yeah you go lift up the plywood and [TS]

00:06:11   maybe there'd be a playboy or maybe [TS]

00:06:12   they're just cherry magazines which is [TS]

00:06:15   grow in the woods that's right so then [TS]

00:06:17   you get when you open it up and you know [TS]

00:06:19   after you had seen the naked ladies then [TS]

00:06:21   there was what else is there to do these [TS]

00:06:23   were you would you would you would pour [TS]

00:06:26   over these Playboy's trying to figure [TS]

00:06:27   out trying to decode adult culture [TS]

00:06:31   uh-huh and there were all these great [TS]

00:06:33   cartoons and all these reviews for HiFi [TS]

00:06:37   stereo systems and and and sophisticated [TS]

00:06:40   political talk guys and swim trials just [TS]

00:06:43   making kool cigarettes smoking kool [TS]

00:06:44   cigarettes and swim trunks wrong thing [TS]

00:06:47   outside on the deck and so much of that [TS]

00:06:49   a lot of tax so I yes so so so by the [TS]

00:06:56   time bloom county came around you know i [TS]

00:06:59   had already read quite a bit of Nichols [TS]

00:07:04   and May style sixties political [TS]

00:07:08   commentary and I understood the language [TS]

00:07:11   a little bit of the references you know [TS]

00:07:13   because he blew counter is making a lot [TS]

00:07:14   of references to Nixon and all the stuff [TS]

00:07:17   even though that wasn't even [TS]

00:07:18   his era I don't know era era mashing [TS]

00:07:22   yeah i mean i-i think I I only feel the [TS]

00:07:26   need to middle-aged explain this because [TS]

00:07:27   there are people that may not but not [TS]

00:07:29   they should care but the one thing to be [TS]

00:07:31   aware of is there was there was a time [TS]

00:07:32   when whatever was on TV is what was on [TS]

00:07:35   TV you don't get to pick when it was on [TS]

00:07:37   you didn't decide what it was gonna be [TS]

00:07:38   so my daughter and I love that there are [TS]

00:07:42   there are listeners who are like he [TS]

00:07:44   never considered that you have to keep [TS]

00:07:46   in mind you have to remember that there [TS]

00:07:48   are there are people now who are 30 [TS]

00:07:49   years old that have never had a CD [TS]

00:07:52   except as a gift that's the thing that's [TS]

00:07:55   that's you know you've been people have [TS]

00:07:56   not been buying a lot of cds for 10 to [TS]

00:07:58   15 years and it's it's crazy anyhow but [TS]

00:08:01   so all I'm saying is that in this case [TS]

00:08:02   there the total catalog of what was [TS]

00:08:05   available was much more narrow there's a [TS]

00:08:07   lot more that long tail like old stuff [TS]

00:08:08   like I mean I can't say how many times [TS]

00:08:10   I've seen like you know Bob Hope and [TS]

00:08:12   Bing Crosby movies right stopped at that [TS]

00:08:15   time was 20 to 30 years old and is now [TS]

00:08:17   what 60 to 70 years old [TS]

00:08:20   think about it that way it's pretty [TS]

00:08:21   crazy but like you just must remove all [TS]

00:08:23   the time you have creature feature and [TS]

00:08:24   all that kind of stuff or just all the [TS]

00:08:25   Arthurian stuff that is the basis much [TS]

00:08:28   of the basis for Holy Grail [TS]

00:08:31   mmm I don't think she's steeped in that [TS]

00:08:33   yeah well i don't know i don't i don't [TS]

00:08:36   know if they ever if she will be or if [TS]

00:08:39   my kid ever will be I had a really [TS]

00:08:40   interesting conversation with the [TS]

00:08:42   Millennial person who was a person of [TS]

00:08:45   great intelligence and goodwill and I [TS]

00:08:49   asked what I thought was kind of a [TS]

00:08:51   simple question which was like what [TS]

00:08:53   who are the who would you say where the [TS]

00:08:56   handful of members of your generation [TS]

00:08:59   who you admire the most or who you think [TS]

00:09:02   are representative of your generation [TS]

00:09:05   culturally and she said what do you mean [TS]

00:09:09   and I was like well I mean exactly that [TS]

00:09:12   like there are people of your generation [TS]

00:09:14   who are doing cool things and and when I [TS]

00:09:18   was 22 I knew a lot of I mean I could [TS]

00:09:21   tell you who the the five prime movers [TS]

00:09:26   were in establishing a beachhead of our [TS]

00:09:30   voice in adult [TS]

00:09:32   culture uh-huh who's doing that for you [TS]

00:09:34   and she was like mm I don't know Jon [TS]

00:09:38   Stewart and I was like no no I mean your [TS]

00:09:40   people of your generation she was like [TS]

00:09:43   well Jon Stewart is of our generation [TS]

00:09:45   that's not sure he's older than me I [TS]

00:09:48   think [TS]

00:09:49   well right and when and what she what [TS]

00:09:52   she meant was kind of I think she was [TS]

00:09:55   describing it really was a language we [TS]

00:09:57   had a language golf that we struggled to [TS]

00:10:00   surmount because what she was saying i [TS]

00:10:07   guess was that because now all media is [TS]

00:10:10   everywhere all the time and everything [TS]

00:10:12   is equally accessible several you only [TS]

00:10:15   have the same term yeah it's almost like [TS]

00:10:18   you asking asking her like what's your [TS]

00:10:19   favorite Victrola or something she'd [TS]

00:10:22   like I don't understand like the [TS]

00:10:23   question there's not really a thing for [TS]

00:10:24   that for from her standpoint as a smart [TS]

00:10:27   twenty-two-year-old like I said well [TS]

00:10:30   what about what about Taylor Swift and [TS]

00:10:32   she was like well that's pop music that [TS]

00:10:34   doesn't matter or or that some like she [TS]

00:10:41   was laying claim to everything that was [TS]

00:10:44   being made now regardless of who was [TS]

00:10:46   making it and and so Stephen Colbert was [TS]

00:10:52   contemporary and so therefore of her [TS]

00:10:56   generation it was up now it's more like [TS]

00:10:59   whoo [TS]

00:11:00   it came out recently so it's part of my [TS]

00:11:02   generation right right and you know and [TS]

00:11:06   and in a sense like in 1986 like Peter [TS]

00:11:10   Gabriel his record was really big and we [TS]

00:11:14   would have said Peter Gabriel was [TS]

00:11:16   popular music now but it but Peter [TS]

00:11:21   Gabriel was not our he wasn't our [TS]

00:11:23   generation we wouldn't have laid claim [TS]

00:11:25   to him who will said I'm a peter gabriel [TS]

00:11:28   fan but but it wasn't until people our [TS]

00:11:30   age started making things that we have [TS]

00:11:33   that sense of ownership like this is now [TS]

00:11:35   this now belongs to us but she didn't [TS]

00:11:37   she couldn't identify with that and I'm [TS]

00:11:42   not sure I mean it's a sample set of one [TS]

00:11:44   this conversation but but it was very [TS]

00:11:48   interesting to to see at least in this [TS]

00:11:52   person that that even the idea that the [TS]

00:11:57   first one or two people of your [TS]

00:11:59   generation that made it into the [TS]

00:12:01   mainstream were even if you didn't like [TS]

00:12:04   them they still were your emissaries and [TS]

00:12:10   maybe it's because people of her [TS]

00:12:12   generation have been on TV her whole [TS]

00:12:14   life for or there are there are too many [TS]

00:12:17   to count sore or vine or I mean I i I'm [TS]

00:12:22   it was but it was very hard for me to [TS]

00:12:24   even because what she because she kind [TS]

00:12:28   of turned the tables on me and was [TS]

00:12:29   asking for clarification in the sense of [TS]

00:12:31   what I like describe what it was like to [TS]

00:12:36   have that feeling of your of a [TS]

00:12:41   generational like what having four or [TS]

00:12:48   five people that you felt were your [TS]

00:12:49   generation in the media [TS]

00:12:52   I was like yeah kinda I mean there was [TS]

00:12:54   not just Tabitha Soren I mean how the [TS]

00:12:58   first time that somebody that first time [TS]

00:13:00   that I turn on the TV and saw someone [TS]

00:13:02   that was my age on TV right now who [TS]

00:13:05   wasn't a kid in a sitcom but was like a [TS]

00:13:08   young person speaking in their own voice [TS]

00:13:10   in mainstream media it was like wow look [TS]

00:13:15   i I'm I'm consumed by a feeling of like [TS]

00:13:19   total envy and fury at this young person [TS]

00:13:23   for being more successful than me but [TS]

00:13:25   also i'm so excited like it's one of us [TS]

00:13:30   there's just you know on the news team [TS]

00:13:33   yeah yeah i don't know i don't i'm [TS]

00:13:37   trying to I I don't have enough [TS]

00:13:41   knowledge reference or context for [TS]

00:13:44   what's happening right now to even know [TS]

00:13:45   what to compare em but I don't know for [TS]

00:13:48   some reason is what sticks out of my [TS]

00:13:49   head is what I now realize you know that [TS]

00:13:52   we talk people talk a lot i was talking [TS]

00:13:53   about like you know the whole meet music [TS]

00:13:55   music thing the way that CDs were kind [TS]

00:13:57   of [TS]

00:13:57   an anomaly that it was extraordinary how [TS]

00:14:01   many CDs sold up until 1999 and you know [TS]

00:14:04   a lot of people into the music industry [TS]

00:14:05   thought that was a trend that was gonna [TS]

00:14:06   keep going [TS]

00:14:07   various things happened but you know [TS]

00:14:09   it's the truth is that you know music is [TS]

00:14:11   always sold but never sold any way like [TS]

00:14:13   the way music sort of the nineties so I [TS]

00:14:16   mean now we look at go that was actually [TS]

00:14:18   an anomaly in and now I think about the [TS]

00:14:20   mid-eighties and also just me and my [TS]

00:14:22   punk rock you know brain but like I [TS]

00:14:24   remember feeling just so strangled by [TS]

00:14:28   like six recording artists they're just [TS]

00:14:31   everywhere like Madonna all the obvious [TS]

00:14:33   ones right Donna michael jackson Prince [TS]

00:14:35   I mean I like Prince but like out by you [TS]

00:14:39   know 1985 I was I'd really had enough [TS]

00:14:41   present at that point it was every [TS]

00:14:43   whitney houston it was just everywhere I [TS]

00:14:45   mean everyone Madonna was everywhere and [TS]

00:14:48   I'm trying to save myself all is that [TS]

00:14:50   kind of what it's like with taylor swift [TS]

00:14:51   now because i don't know i'm not sure [TS]

00:14:53   that it is no i don't know i don't worry [TS]

00:14:56   the formula has changed because you know [TS]

00:14:58   there were only three radio stations or [TS]

00:14:59   whatever that we could listen to them [TS]

00:15:01   and now if you want if you were a few [TS]

00:15:04   routine who liked the Beatles the [TS]

00:15:05   Rolling Stones you would never have to [TS]

00:15:08   listen to anything else you could get [TS]

00:15:09   into your mom's car and you could say [TS]

00:15:12   plug in my my music and then you know if [TS]

00:15:17   you were fewer bratty teen you could say [TS]

00:15:19   mom only play my station when we're in [TS]

00:15:23   the car on our way to and from school [TS]

00:15:25   and you know you could just you could [TS]

00:15:26   limit your exposure and it would feel [TS]

00:15:29   like freedom and choice and feel like I [TS]

00:15:33   feel like you're curating your own [TS]

00:15:37   existence and you can just listen to the [TS]

00:15:38   music you wanted to in the end and that [TS]

00:15:40   is what the media companies not the not [TS]

00:15:45   the not the record companies but like [TS]

00:15:49   it's what Apple and the and that the [TS]

00:15:52   tech media companies have been selling [TS]

00:15:54   to us for a long time that it's that we [TS]

00:15:56   are now liberated and we can we can [TS]

00:15:59   curate our feed so that it only it it [TS]

00:16:03   only contains things that give us [TS]

00:16:04   pleasure and what your social graph and [TS]

00:16:07   i'm going to curate your social graph [TS]

00:16:08   curate your social graph [TS]

00:16:10   but but the problem with that is of [TS]

00:16:13   course that you and I and people in [TS]

00:16:16   olden times in ye olden times were [TS]

00:16:19   exposed to a lot of stuff involuntarily [TS]

00:16:24   just because it was always on it was all [TS]

00:16:28   but you know and and and that and that [TS]

00:16:31   kind of like oh god I just want to watch [TS]

00:16:33   TV and all that's on right now is [TS]

00:16:35   twilight zone and so I'm gonna watch it [TS]

00:16:36   and then you realize oh I wouldn't have [TS]

00:16:39   chosen to watch this because it it [TS]

00:16:43   didn't have anything that appear that [TS]

00:16:45   that seems to appeal to me at first but [TS]

00:16:49   now having watch it out of boredom and [TS]

00:16:52   frustration having watched it out of the [TS]

00:16:54   fact that it's the only thing on now I [TS]

00:16:55   realize it's a it's brilliant and and [TS]

00:16:58   it's open me up to all the stuff that I [TS]

00:17:01   wouldn't have been exposed to who and [TS]

00:17:03   now you don't have to do that nobody [TS]

00:17:05   does and it's not it's not just young [TS]

00:17:06   people like people my age can can and do [TS]

00:17:09   and consider it a considerate of a gift [TS]

00:17:13   and a prize to be able to never ever [TS]

00:17:16   ever ever be exposed to something that [TS]

00:17:17   they didn't choose in terms of music [TS]

00:17:21   unless they you know unless they decide [TS]

00:17:24   to spin the bottle one day and just put [TS]

00:17:27   on the put on the the change the [TS]

00:17:31   settings on their their music program so [TS]

00:17:34   that it's no longer the the built to [TS]

00:17:37   spill channel but now it's the the [TS]

00:17:40   mariah carey channel just to see what [TS]

00:17:42   happens [TS]

00:17:43   I mean at-at and i think so i think that [TS]

00:17:46   there are still just as many Jimi [TS]

00:17:47   Hendrix fans there ever were [TS]

00:17:49   but nobody's hearing about mountain [TS]

00:17:53   because Matt nobody puts mountain in as [TS]

00:17:59   the as the band on their Spotify you [TS]

00:18:03   know nobody puts everybody puts jimi [TS]

00:18:05   hendrix and nobody puts the James Gang [TS]

00:18:08   in your jim-dandy or like like either of [TS]

00:18:11   those bands you going oh that sounds a [TS]

00:18:12   lot like stuff that I know this o.o [TS]

00:18:15   that's who does that song so I you know [TS]

00:18:17   I am I feel like [TS]

00:18:22   I feel like the the the world is still [TS]

00:18:27   the world still contains as much as many [TS]

00:18:30   multitudes but unless it comes unless it [TS]

00:18:34   comes up in the algorithm like yeah we [TS]

00:18:37   we were we were stuck in a world where [TS]

00:18:40   where Madonna and phil collins and peter [TS]

00:18:44   gabriel and prints were all there were [TS]

00:18:46   but i remember going to college and [TS]

00:18:48   discovering really discovering Exile on [TS]

00:18:51   Main Street which for whatever reason [TS]

00:18:53   when i was in high school like I listen [TS]

00:18:57   to sticky fingers but I hadn't gone down [TS]

00:19:00   the stones rabbit hole quite like I did [TS]

00:19:04   later because I would because my friends [TS]

00:19:06   were mostly listening to metal and so [TS]

00:19:09   the stones were a little Stones and the [TS]

00:19:11   Beatles were thing that I and a couple [TS]

00:19:14   of other guys kept as our secret little [TS]

00:19:19   world in in a in our larger culture [TS]

00:19:22   which was listening to accept let's be [TS]

00:19:26   honest we were listening to triumph and [TS]

00:19:29   accept and and and the forebears of that [TS]

00:19:34   stuff like Steppenwolf you know likes [TS]

00:19:37   Steppenwolf being being an earlier [TS]

00:19:40   iteration of of except um I i don't [TS]

00:19:45   disagree but uh but something like what [TS]

00:19:48   likely get deep maybe deep purple purple [TS]

00:19:50   tons of it with that was our party music [TS]

00:19:52   whoo [TS]

00:19:53   but the and the stones were separate [TS]

00:19:56   from that and and that was kind of a [TS]

00:19:58   secret world but anyway I but Exile on [TS]

00:20:00   Main Street just didn't didn't make its [TS]

00:20:04   way to me until my freshman year in [TS]

00:20:05   college and I remember diving into that [TS]

00:20:07   record and feeling like I had discovered [TS]

00:20:09   a whole world and all my convos what [TS]

00:20:11   have I been doing with my life been [TS]

00:20:13   wasting my life not listening to this [TS]

00:20:14   album [TS]

00:20:15   and my roommate who grew up in San [TS]

00:20:20   Francisco was like oh my God if I never [TS]

00:20:23   hear that record again I will i would be [TS]

00:20:27   fine and I was like what are you talking [TS]

00:20:28   about he was like oh we just used to [TS]

00:20:30   listen to that record every I mean we [TS]

00:20:32   have listened to it a billion times [TS]

00:20:34   growing up in San Francisco Exile on [TS]

00:20:37   Main Street was just everywhere and so [TS]

00:20:40   he was already [TS]

00:20:41   I mean that record was 15 years old at [TS]

00:20:43   the time and he was he had all he [TS]

00:20:45   already felt like it was just used up [TS]

00:20:48   and I and I couldn't believe that he and [TS]

00:20:51   I could be so alike in so in such good [TS]

00:20:53   pals but have that I was hearing this [TS]

00:20:56   thing for the first time and and just [TS]

00:21:00   wanted to you know I just wanted to sit [TS]

00:21:02   there with inch and and share in it and [TS]

00:21:05   he and it was dead to him he couldn't [TS]

00:21:07   hear anything wonderful in it anymore [TS]

00:21:09   because he'd been listening to it since [TS]

00:21:11   he was ten not sure what my point is you [TS]

00:21:17   know I've never said that on this [TS]

00:21:18   program never having I don't believe [TS]

00:21:21   I've ever seen anything this don't [TS]

00:21:22   remember i'm i'm i am so groggy [TS]

00:21:27   yeah do you even try even traveling a [TS]

00:21:30   lot [TS]

00:21:30   well I have been but the grogginess is I [TS]

00:21:34   don't know what's going on when I came [TS]

00:21:35   home from my trip I opened my front door [TS]

00:21:39   and my house smelled funny oh yeah [TS]

00:21:41   that's the thing that's it that's [TS]

00:21:42   totally a thing i didn't know what it [TS]

00:21:44   was you can't smell your own house [TS]

00:21:46   what it really smells like unless you're [TS]

00:21:48   away for a few days mm but it was an [TS]

00:21:50   additional on top of normal smelly and [TS]

00:21:53   you know my house smells like me but [TS]

00:21:54   this was something else and it was just [TS]

00:21:57   sickly sweet enough that it that the [TS]

00:22:01   that the question did something die in [TS]

00:22:04   the fireplace flue was in play but it [TS]

00:22:09   also could have been that you know that [TS]

00:22:14   my kid dropped an apricot and it rolled [TS]

00:22:17   under the rolled into the heating vent [TS]

00:22:20   or it could have it could have been that [TS]

00:22:23   somebody spilled some cough syrup on the [TS]

00:22:28   furnace [TS]

00:22:29   always nice to have a little bit of milk [TS]

00:22:31   between the couch cushions that's a [TS]

00:22:32   favorite of mine right and but there's a [TS]

00:22:34   it wasn't like a it wasn't like around [TS]

00:22:36   milk smell it was something else and [TS]

00:22:39   someone and I'm running around maybe [TS]

00:22:41   somebody's making prison hooch while [TS]

00:22:42   you're away [TS]

00:22:42   well that would you know I didn't go [TS]

00:22:44   check on under the crawl space but so I [TS]

00:22:48   wandering around I'm like it smells [TS]

00:22:50   equally like this smell in every room [TS]

00:22:53   which is strange [TS]

00:22:56   it didn't feel concentrated anywhere and [TS]

00:23:00   then I asked my it was so weird that I [TS]

00:23:04   asked my mom to come out to the house [TS]

00:23:06   and walk around and smell and she walked [TS]

00:23:09   I was like I don't smell anything really [TS]

00:23:10   so it's faint but having woken up this [TS]

00:23:15   morning [TS]

00:23:16   you know I slept in the house last night [TS]

00:23:18   we will have this morning and I just [TS]

00:23:19   feel a little drugged [TS]

00:23:22   don't get me started i think about it [TS]

00:23:24   all the time oh well first of all like [TS]

00:23:26   our house is old and I don't realize [TS]

00:23:29   that our house smells old [TS]

00:23:31   unless I'm Way away for like three or [TS]

00:23:33   four days or like there's nobody in the [TS]

00:23:34   house you haven't any window activity [TS]

00:23:36   there's no walking around there's been [TS]

00:23:37   no cooking and I think that i'm guessing [TS]

00:23:40   every house settles into a certain smell [TS]

00:23:43   you know when it's just left still me [TS]

00:23:47   and I'm saying like you're taking out [TS]

00:23:48   the trash you can have done all this [TS]

00:23:49   normal stop there's no Aaron apricots [TS]

00:23:51   that you're aware of but like I think [TS]

00:23:53   how settles into a certain smell and [TS]

00:23:55   that smell is nigh on impossible to [TS]

00:23:58   detect unless unless you've been away [TS]

00:23:59   when I can't put my finger on it it's [TS]

00:24:01   not exactly Musti it's not exactly gassy [TS]

00:24:04   but I know I I oh gosh i live in fear [TS]

00:24:08   that the apricot or whatever is going [TS]

00:24:10   down the heating vent or like that i'm [TS]

00:24:12   constantly checking the pilot lights [TS]

00:24:13   because they go out really easy and it's [TS]

00:24:15   like I just I don't want to be I just I [TS]

00:24:19   don't have a freak accident especially [TS]

00:24:20   if it was avoidable freak acts all those [TS]

00:24:22   the word freak accidents the worst right [TS]

00:24:25   i mean there's only so much preparation [TS]

00:24:27   you can do for a freak accident and [TS]

00:24:28   that's what makes it a freak accident [TS]

00:24:30   yeah exactly exactly i think about i [TS]

00:24:31   think about freak accidents now in a way [TS]

00:24:33   that I that I never thought about them [TS]

00:24:35   before freak accidents like in uh you [TS]

00:24:39   know like in I could the Roman remember [TS]

00:24:41   was in the old man with a guy [TS]

00:24:42   goes back either amendment me ghetto or [TS]

00:24:45   whatever and he goes back to get the [TS]

00:24:46   knives [TS]

00:24:47   I'll never forget that scene with the [TS]

00:24:48   giant sheet of glass a member this come [TS]

00:24:52   swinging through the air something [TS]

00:24:54   happens something happens it hits the [TS]

00:24:56   thing that break moves this thing ships [TS]

00:24:57   just a little bit and really totally cut [TS]

00:24:59   his head off and his head rolls down the [TS]

00:25:01   glass that's like a canonical freak [TS]

00:25:03   accidents and me totally free access [TS]

00:25:05   except that one was actually staged by [TS]

00:25:07   Satan yeah now we know we know now [TS]

00:25:10   mm just leave believe the knives you [TS]

00:25:12   leave the knives that's right don't go [TS]

00:25:14   back for the for the steely knives those [TS]

00:25:16   when I don't want I just can't kill the [TS]

00:25:18   Beast 100 go ahead and when when I would [TS]

00:25:22   hear that song I still always think of [TS]

00:25:24   the knives from the omen [TS]

00:25:25   oh interesting now i will just like [TS]

00:25:28   remembering your friendly drink from the [TS]

00:25:29   water phone [TS]

00:25:30   yeah that's right that's it's the [TS]

00:25:31   stealing those are the steely knives of [TS]

00:25:33   hotel california love that drum fill [TS]

00:25:35   this is people who do the stealing items [TS]

00:25:38   from the moment I i made that connection [TS]

00:25:39   i think the first time I heard heard the [TS]

00:25:42   song and listen to it would be the song [TS]

00:25:44   hotel california by the eagles by the [TS]

00:25:46   visuals which is 40 years old making a [TS]

00:25:49   making our OTL playlist right now I [TS]

00:25:52   again are a tlr iyl recommended if you [TS]

00:25:56   like 40 year old songs huh that's the [TS]

00:25:59   part that's amazing to me and like you [TS]

00:26:00   know I like when I think about something [TS]

00:26:02   like watching The Flintstones as a kid [TS]

00:26:03   which i think most people our age did [TS]

00:26:05   because it was just it was on a lot yeah [TS]

00:26:07   but do you have a definite do and the [TS]

00:26:09   front steps would be on and it I it [TS]

00:26:13   seemed hopelessly hopelessly old it just [TS]

00:26:16   seemed like that cartoon style was so [TS]

00:26:18   weird and but the so then I got to do [TS]

00:26:21   that thing that I do and I need a name [TS]

00:26:23   for what this is called but that are you [TS]

00:26:26   know that lines on this to that is yes [TS]

00:26:28   exactly right there is there no but we [TS]

00:26:30   do that so much is there no term of art [TS]

00:26:32   for it [TS]

00:26:33   I don't I don't I don't know the answer [TS]

00:26:36   when stones was as far away from me in [TS]

00:26:38   1975 as as X is from okay now I want a [TS]

00:26:43   name for that I want a website for that [TS]

00:26:45   but in this instance i'm saying what i'm [TS]

00:26:46   saying is that i was watching The [TS]

00:26:49   Flintstones when it's only been 10 years [TS]

00:26:51   since it came on it's incredible and now [TS]

00:26:54   it's been over 40 years [TS]

00:26:56   that happened is the thing right hand [TS]

00:26:58   and so I mean 10 years it seems like a [TS]

00:27:00   lot maybe not i mean nevermind was 20 [TS]

00:27:03   what 25 years ago [TS]

00:27:06   mmm 24 24 years ago so that's the kind [TS]

00:27:13   of thing yeah I used to think that like [TS]

00:27:14   what's so what is it like for example [TS]

00:27:16   you take synchronicity is 1983 now so [TS]

00:27:19   that's 30 32 years right all right ma'am [TS]

00:27:24   yeah and so 32 years for that was the [TS]

00:27:26   Korean War I synchronous city [TS]

00:27:32   yeah that is that is that is bonkers but [TS]

00:27:37   it does but it's not help it [TS]

00:27:39   this is this is the conversation i had [TS]

00:27:40   with it with the girl it [TS]

00:27:43   we were so that that that protraction [TS]

00:27:50   right that like a generational geometry [TS]

00:27:54   really meant a lot to us at the time and [TS]

00:27:59   partly it was because a lot of what we [TS]

00:28:01   were consuming in the eighties was [TS]

00:28:03   through the eyes of baby boomers who [TS]

00:28:06   were reflecting on there who are [TS]

00:28:08   nostalgic for their own youth right i [TS]

00:28:10   don't think there was ever a generation [TS]

00:28:12   that was more nostalgic for their youth [TS]

00:28:14   then baby boomers in middle age they had [TS]

00:28:17   a lot to be not not not good reasons [TS]

00:28:19   necessarily but at least a large tonnage [TS]

00:28:21   of things to be nostalgic about because [TS]

00:28:22   they were also the one of the first [TS]

00:28:24   generations that we say what say what is [TS]

00:28:26   it they say in America being a teenager [TS]

00:28:28   didn't really exist until like the [TS]

00:28:30   revolutionary war wasn't really a thing [TS]

00:28:32   to the 20th century and it wasn't a [TS]

00:28:33   market until the forties and fifties [TS]

00:28:34   right so people were making a lot of [TS]

00:28:37   things for them that were cool toys that [TS]

00:28:39   were TV shows that were movies right and [TS]

00:28:42   it was all happening at the editor at [TS]

00:28:44   somewhat of a dawning age of technology [TS]

00:28:48   so a lot of like my older brother who [TS]

00:28:52   was a full-on baby boomer you know he [TS]

00:28:55   was there he remembers his first TV he [TS]

00:28:58   was there to see how duty and Roy Rogers [TS]

00:29:01   and and black-and-white television and [TS]

00:29:05   so all of that stuff [TS]

00:29:08   and whether or not he felt his childhood [TS]

00:29:10   was innocent [TS]

00:29:12   it certainly was was more innocent than [TS]

00:29:15   his then his teen years right i mean [TS]

00:29:18   that was that was a time when you didn't [TS]

00:29:20   question the government still so forth [TS]

00:29:22   and so they were it when we were teens [TS]

00:29:25   those people were in their thirties and [TS]

00:29:27   forties and they were they were [TS]

00:29:30   ironically in some ways but also just as [TS]

00:29:32   pureness nostalgically consuming their [TS]

00:29:36   their youth media and so we were too and [TS]

00:29:42   there was a real sense even at the time [TS]

00:29:45   for me that like the adults are this far [TS]

00:29:49   away from their childhood and one day I [TS]

00:29:51   will be that far away from my childhood [TS]

00:29:53   except my childhood i will be consuming [TS]

00:29:57   not only scooby-doo which was the which [TS]

00:30:00   was the scooby-doo even was it was kind [TS]

00:30:04   of a rerun [TS]

00:30:05   but what the hell was the media of our [TS]

00:30:09   childhood it was all reruns [TS]

00:30:11   but you know no like eight is enough for [TS]

00:30:13   something not only will i be remembering [TS]

00:30:15   that but i will also be remembering my [TS]

00:30:17   childhood through the media of this [TS]

00:30:19   generation before me and we were so we [TS]

00:30:22   we were conscious of that architecture [TS]

00:30:24   and now we really want to think about [TS]

00:30:25   the young people today through that same [TS]

00:30:27   lens and they don't and that [TS]

00:30:30   architectures gone for them so here we [TS]

00:30:32   are like that was 30 years ago and this [TS]

00:30:35   is 30 years from now and that was 30 [TS]

00:30:36   years from then and the 24 year olds [TS]

00:30:39   just like I don't with they don't even [TS]

00:30:42   they can't picture what's inside our [TS]

00:30:43   minds because they don't have the same [TS]

00:30:47   the basic building blocks and and so [TS]

00:30:54   we're just left like and the thing is [TS]

00:30:56   when I when I play that game with baby [TS]

00:30:58   boomers they're like kind of not [TS]

00:31:01   interested either because they see [TS]

00:31:03   themselves as the beginning right in [TS]

00:31:07   nineteen in 1955 when they were sitting [TS]

00:31:09   down to watch Howdy duty they weren't [TS]

00:31:13   they were there were Errol Flynn movies [TS]

00:31:16   on TV or if there were that was very [TS]

00:31:20   much like [TS]

00:31:21   there there dad but there's a whole new [TS]

00:31:25   there was media being created for them [TS]

00:31:26   on an hourly basis and it belonged to [TS]

00:31:29   them right [TS]

00:31:30   uh-huh so yeah we're just here we are [TS]

00:31:34   just at sea again [TS]

00:31:36   Merlin are our whole conversation just [TS]

00:31:39   always ends up depositing us back on [TS]

00:31:40   this strange lily pad of like Generation [TS]

00:31:44   X nobody cares about it except [TS]

00:31:47   Generation X and we care about it so [TS]

00:31:50   passionately and no we can't get anybody [TS]

00:31:53   to share with us [TS]

00:31:56   well I think I'm making this up right [TS]

00:31:58   now but i think part of it is that uh I [TS]

00:32:01   don't know if this is exactly exactly [TS]

00:32:02   generational or just coincidence but I [TS]

00:32:04   think I i have a feeling that people who [TS]

00:32:07   were around our age grew up at a time [TS]

00:32:09   when we realized it was important that [TS]

00:32:12   in order to understand what we can [TS]

00:32:14   potentially call our story or to [TS]

00:32:16   understand about ourselves we have to [TS]

00:32:18   find other people who who see that [TS]

00:32:21   there's a story and kind of agree on [TS]

00:32:22   what the story is don't know that was [TS]

00:32:24   always the case i'm not sure that's [TS]

00:32:25   entirely true today I mean it's easy [TS]

00:32:27   enough probably to find somebody who can [TS]

00:32:29   get on board with whatever your thing is [TS]

00:32:30   nowadays and I just think you know what [TS]

00:32:32   part of it is that you know wonderful [TS]

00:32:34   lot of us missed certain windows by not [TS]

00:32:36   having having found people where we [TS]

00:32:38   could agree on what the story was what [TS]

00:32:41   if that's been easier or more difficult [TS]

00:32:42   overtime or even if it's a thing but and [TS]

00:32:44   yeah I don't know either and I and I and [TS]

00:32:47   I don't know how much more fruitful the [TS]

00:32:51   wandering is going to be I had any I had [TS]

00:32:54   a terrible dream last night [TS]

00:32:56   not really terrible but I was I was with [TS]

00:32:58   a group of people members of my family [TS]

00:33:01   friends we were we're walking when I was [TS]

00:33:06   engaged in some business to business [TS]

00:33:09   it was it was nighttime I have a map in [TS]

00:33:12   my head of the of where we were it was [TS]

00:33:14   maybe in the future and someone said to [TS]

00:33:21   me that I was 82 years old and I said [TS]

00:33:26   like what [TS]

00:33:27   no and I started counting on my fingers [TS]

00:33:30   the decade [TS]

00:33:32   and I was like an 82 I i'm still I'm [TS]

00:33:40   still young i have lots to do and look [TS]

00:33:45   at you and I'm then I can dance and I [TS]

00:33:47   can I can jump and everybody was like no [TS]

00:33:55   you're I mean you're 82 and I was [TS]

00:33:57   counting and I counted up on my fingers [TS]

00:33:59   282 and I was like oh I am 82 story [TS]

00:34:03   checks out but i but i was but i [TS]

00:34:08   resisted it resisted being 82 and then I [TS]

00:34:12   counted up on my fingers again and I got [TS]

00:34:15   62 and I was like 62 alright i can live [TS]

00:34:23   with 62 but then I wasn't confident that [TS]

00:34:25   i had counted right and there was a lot [TS]

00:34:28   of question about how old I was and none [TS]

00:34:30   of it was very encouraging [TS]

00:34:36   well okay so what did it feel like [TS]

00:34:38   that's that's become my question when [TS]

00:34:40   people are telling a dream because in [TS]

00:34:41   the telling of a dream as we talked [TS]

00:34:43   about when you're reciting the facts of [TS]

00:34:44   the dreamer what you remember about the [TS]

00:34:45   dream it's still it's difficult to me to [TS]

00:34:47   communicate how you felt [TS]

00:34:49   we can guess how you felt because we [TS]

00:34:50   know the story you're telling but in the [TS]

00:34:52   dream [TS]

00:34:53   how did you feel when you recount wait [TS]

00:34:55   first of all the disbelief that you're [TS]

00:34:56   82 then when you're counting got 82 and [TS]

00:34:59   then when you can dictate how are you [TS]

00:35:00   feeling in the dream [TS]

00:35:01   well I was checking with my physical [TS]

00:35:03   plant was checking my body is desisted [TS]

00:35:07   is abated two-year-olds body [TS]

00:35:09   no no it's not i'm still limber I'm [TS]

00:35:13   still you know I so I was so i was [TS]

00:35:18   confused at this information because [TS]

00:35:21   didn't comport with what I knew about [TS]

00:35:22   myself and you know but I had that I had [TS]

00:35:27   that brief feeling of like am I dressed [TS]

00:35:30   appropriately for an 82 year old like [TS]

00:35:33   please God don't let me be actually 82 [TS]

00:35:37   and wearing some kind of clown outfit [TS]

00:35:41   that would be appropriate on that would [TS]

00:35:44   already probably not be appropriate [TS]

00:35:45   thirty-five-year-old on the weigh-in [TS]

00:35:47   today the methadone clinic was pretty it [TS]

00:35:50   was pretty calm [TS]

00:35:51   not a lot going on but I did pass a guy [TS]

00:35:54   who was my age and was dressed like [TS]

00:35:59   weiland from Stone Temple Pilots he had [TS]

00:36:03   his hair was kind of spiked out [TS]

00:36:05   yeah yeah that's that's a look at street [TS]

00:36:06   rat look yeah it had a like frog it [TS]

00:36:08   frosted tips he was wearing some tight [TS]

00:36:13   pants that were like that had a kind of [TS]

00:36:16   that wet quality wet wax equality that [TS]

00:36:21   that rock and rollers prefer to their to [TS]

00:36:25   their denim yeah when waxing who lived [TS]

00:36:28   in that lived in very very tailored he [TS]

00:36:31   and and and it was unclear whether he [TS]

00:36:36   belonged in the delta sky lounge at SFO [TS]

00:36:41   Airport because it was actually a [TS]

00:36:42   millionaire rock entrepreneur or whether [TS]

00:36:45   he was sort of a 48 year old guy who was [TS]

00:36:50   trying to get his band going [TS]

00:36:54   yeah and was it's easier than ever to to [TS]

00:36:58   have a mix up like that [TS]

00:36:59   yeah right and maybe he was living in [TS]

00:37:01   interest in a chevy nova somewhere it [TS]

00:37:03   was not clear but I did have the feeling [TS]

00:37:05   of like okay this guy's is in Middle [TS]

00:37:08   Ages rocking a look but I but it does [TS]

00:37:11   feel authentic to him it feels like [TS]

00:37:13   top-to-bottom he's been in this look and [TS]

00:37:15   inhabiting this look for a long long [TS]

00:37:17   time and so it's not so it looks [TS]

00:37:22   appropriate and what that means is that [TS]

00:37:24   we are now living in an age where there [TS]

00:37:26   are going to be just as there is a Keith [TS]

00:37:29   Richards right now who is what 70 who [TS]

00:37:34   still is tying ribbons and feathers in [TS]

00:37:36   his hair and is not and he and he is [TS]

00:37:40   also a millionaire 7171 we are now [TS]

00:37:44   entering into the era where they're [TS]

00:37:46   going to be people in their seventies [TS]

00:37:48   and eighties who have been rock and roll [TS]

00:37:51   their whole lives and are going to be [TS]

00:37:53   rock and roll all the way to the end [TS]

00:37:55   right and so they're never going to ever [TS]

00:37:58   put on a cardigan sweater and a pair of [TS]

00:38:00   loafers they are going to be lacing up [TS]

00:38:03   there doc martens all the way until they [TS]

00:38:07   have to pay someone to help them lace-up [TS]

00:38:10   the doc martens a brother and so or [TS]

00:38:15   someone appointed by the state is going [TS]

00:38:16   to be lacing up their dog cart and that [TS]

00:38:19   is to get a shoelace erad litem i think [TS]

00:38:23   i think it's gonna end up being part of [TS]

00:38:26   that because you know the old people [TS]

00:38:28   traditionally handled that transition to [TS]

00:38:31   hold this by starting to wear loafers [TS]

00:38:32   and eventually white loafers so they can [TS]

00:38:35   see them in the in the dim lights also [TS]

00:38:38   why they do that [TS]

00:38:39   yeah the dim light of the early morning [TS]

00:38:40   when they when they wake up it's an [TS]

00:38:41   adaptation uh-huh [TS]

00:38:43   they're like I wear my shoes are there [TS]

00:38:45   they are white patent leather loafers or [TS]

00:38:50   whatever that that all old people ended [TS]

00:38:52   up in but but now we have now we are we [TS]

00:38:55   have old rock and rollers [TS]

00:38:57   uh-huh and they're never gonna do that [TS]

00:38:58   unless I mean weiland I could see and [TS]

00:39:01   white loafers because here that's it [TS]

00:39:04   because he's one of those guys that like [TS]

00:39:06   kind of maybe a little bit of the my own [TS]

00:39:07   private idaho can look right Road yeah [TS]

00:39:10   so but in my dream I still have that [TS]

00:39:16   feeling of like it is it inappropriate [TS]

00:39:20   for me to be to rock and roll now that [TS]

00:39:24   I'm 82 right and i was checking myself [TS]

00:39:27   feeling still pretty rock and roll and [TS]

00:39:32   but feeling like that was evidence that [TS]

00:39:36   i wasn't 82 so against my feelings were [TS]

00:39:39   a little incredulity a little panic at [TS]

00:39:46   you know and maybe have maybe a rip van [TS]

00:39:49   winkle situation where what what [TS]

00:39:52   happened to like I don't mind one day [TS]

00:39:55   being 82 but what happened to the 27 [TS]

00:39:58   years in the middle there where I was [TS]

00:39:59   still going to do stuff you keep [TS]

00:40:01   thinking those will go slow but i bet [TS]

00:40:02   they'll go just as fast if and when you [TS]

00:40:04   are got you know God willing if you make [TS]

00:40:06   it to 82 you're going to be eat [TS]

00:40:08   the gas and running out of fingers I bet [TS]

00:40:10   just like what the what [TS]

00:40:12   yeah yeah yeah so maybe it was a little [TS]

00:40:14   bit of time travel [TS]

00:40:16   maybe some dreams time travel and when [TS]

00:40:19   I'm 82 i will have an experience of [TS]

00:40:23   walking with my family through it [TS]

00:40:24   through some charted terrain and I want [TS]

00:40:28   dejavu at the time and be like this [TS]

00:40:30   really feels familiar [TS]

00:40:31   i'm so lost right now this is this is [TS]

00:40:33   really overwhelming [TS]

00:40:35   oh my goodness I i dreamed i lived in a [TS]

00:40:37   storage sports stadium like a football [TS]

00:40:38   stadium in an apartment with the [TS]

00:40:41   landlord for my office the just last [TS]

00:40:43   night [TS]

00:40:44   oh yeah yeah yeahs and emma stone was [TS]

00:40:47   there from the from the from the movies [TS]

00:40:49   Emma Stone I think that's her name Emma [TS]

00:40:52   Stone was there at nor actually Susan is [TS]

00:40:56   that the Iranian hurt the stadium at [TS]

00:40:58   your sports stadium where you lived in [TS]

00:40:59   an apartment with you want with my men [TS]

00:41:01   middle-aged landlord for my honest was [TS]

00:41:03   nice he showed me how to open the [TS]

00:41:04   windows [TS]

00:41:05   how did you feel in a dream state [TS]

00:41:09   I think I felt a slightly anxious like I [TS]

00:41:14   do a lot of my dreams thing is i'm [TS]

00:41:16   developing this new pro skill when I'm [TS]

00:41:17   getting really good at being able to [TS]

00:41:19   slide back into a dream and getting a [TS]

00:41:21   little better i won't call lucid [TS]

00:41:23   dreaming but I'm getting better at like [TS]

00:41:25   after my child has welcomed me at 6am [TS]

00:41:27   being able to like slide back into it [TS]

00:41:30   and I've got a whole methodology I've [TS]

00:41:32   been working on that is is really paying [TS]

00:41:34   off [TS]

00:41:35   Emma Stone born in 1988 yeah she's cool [TS]

00:41:40   she's really funny she's funny she's [TS]

00:41:41   cool on yeah yeah I make myself really [TS]

00:41:45   slow down because I really is if i wake [TS]

00:41:47   up his first thing I think when you wake [TS]

00:41:49   up from a dream and you're getting [TS]

00:41:50   panicky about trying to remember the [TS]

00:41:51   dream and I think when you get to [TS]

00:41:53   panicky and think too fast about a dream [TS]

00:41:55   is when you start losing blocks the [TS]

00:41:56   stuff starts getting erased right slow [TS]

00:41:58   your roll slow down slow it way way down [TS]

00:42:03   and think about if you can force [TS]

00:42:05   yourself to think that about one-third [TS]

00:42:07   or one-fourth of your usual speed you'll [TS]

00:42:10   start remembering more things than just [TS]

00:42:11   start scanning blindly over everything [TS]

00:42:13   right you gotta get beyond ease back you [TS]

00:42:15   gotta catch yourself you catch yourself [TS]

00:42:16   and go away [TS]

00:42:17   need a minute sing yourself a little [TS]

00:42:20   song and lyrics are kidding Shh the [TS]

00:42:22   lyrics and sing a little song in your [TS]

00:42:24   head that the lyrics start getting [TS]

00:42:25   filled in it comes back it's just making [TS]

00:42:28   yourself walking backwards at half speed [TS]

00:42:29   and also oh I do that a lot [TS]

00:42:33   imagine has to be oh well you just well [TS]

00:42:35   not doing it but imagining oh man it's [TS]

00:42:37   iic differently i'm starting yeah so [TS]

00:42:40   this is a different topic but like I [TS]

00:42:42   started really wonder about my [TS]

00:42:44   concentration because I find I've [TS]

00:42:46   noticed that is many things in life if I [TS]

00:42:48   slow way the fuck down [TS]

00:42:50   what I'm doing a given thing it's a [TS]

00:42:52   completely different experience for me [TS]

00:42:54   really oh yeah yeah i mean i'm really [TS]

00:42:56   really noticing and I'm wondering how [TS]

00:42:58   much stuff I just don't see because my [TS]

00:42:59   I'm moving so fast or I'm causing my [TS]

00:43:02   brain to move so fast but it's an [TS]

00:43:03   obvious example is eating eating slowly [TS]

00:43:05   is fundamentally different from eating [TS]

00:43:07   any other way haha I try I try [TS]

00:43:11   well cannot eat slowly I just I feel [TS]

00:43:13   like it I've will very easily just slip [TS]

00:43:16   into an automatic way of doing things [TS]

00:43:18   riding slowly I talk about something [TS]

00:43:19   other show with Dan but if i'm doing [TS]

00:43:21   more handwriting stuff started using a [TS]

00:43:23   notebook again for stuff if i make [TS]

00:43:24   myself right like cause myself to write [TS]

00:43:27   at half of the normal speed and normally [TS]

00:43:29   right I'm not only write a lot more [TS]

00:43:31   neatly I end up i think my brain has a [TS]

00:43:34   little more time to come up with stuff [TS]

00:43:35   if I could just gonna try this try this [TS]

00:43:37   right neatly and at about half speed and [TS]

00:43:41   you get a really different quality of [TS]

00:43:42   stuff coming out of your fingers so I [TS]

00:43:44   was thinking about was the whole new [TS]

00:43:45   thought technology for me John this is [TS]

00:43:47   the major thought technology to and I [TS]

00:43:49   and I think you're really onto something [TS]

00:43:50   up you know i was i did a thing the [TS]

00:43:54   other day of wikipedia dive on Hemingway [TS]

00:43:57   and was reading some having waycross [TS]

00:43:59   reading it to while I was reading about [TS]

00:44:01   him and and you know what I have mixed [TS]

00:44:05   feelings about Hemingway like any [TS]

00:44:06   thoughtful person water but what I [TS]

00:44:09   learned was although there is this image [TS]

00:44:13   of Hemingway sitting at a typewriter he [TS]

00:44:16   actually wrote all those books longhand [TS]

00:44:18   you had a little lap desk and then they [TS]

00:44:22   were typed for him but you know you've [TS]

00:44:24   got these you have these pictures of [TS]

00:44:25   Hemingway sitting in an Underwood [TS]

00:44:27   never but there but that but it really [TS]

00:44:30   was writing longhand and when I i wrote [TS]

00:44:35   everything longhand until the let's say [TS]

00:44:39   the mid-2000s like I had a computer and [TS]

00:44:47   i wrote school reports let's say on the [TS]

00:44:50   computer but like all my creative [TS]

00:44:52   writing it was all with ballpoint pen in [TS]

00:44:56   spiral-bound notebook and so you know [TS]

00:45:02   you have that experience of like you [TS]

00:45:03   enter into a sentence you are riding [TS]

00:45:06   along you realize halfway through the [TS]

00:45:08   sentence that you have gone somewhere [TS]

00:45:12   now you have to pivot in your thought [TS]

00:45:16   you need you need to be able to land [TS]

00:45:19   this sentence and you have to you have [TS]

00:45:22   to change somewhere along the line and [TS]

00:45:25   you know like your tech utensils [TS]

00:45:27   changing you can go back and and cross [TS]

00:45:30   stuff out but you know but it's much [TS]

00:45:32   it's much more acrobatic 22 to enter [TS]

00:45:38   into a thought and then have that [TS]

00:45:41   thought morph as you are creating it and [TS]

00:45:44   then try and land that that that [TS]

00:45:48   acrobatic move huh [TS]

00:45:50   and so it was a it was not just it was [TS]

00:45:55   absolutely a different art form then [TS]

00:45:57   writing on a on a keyboard you know [TS]

00:46:00   completely different exercise because of [TS]

00:46:03   the keyboard get halfway through a [TS]

00:46:04   sentence and you just got your just [TS]

00:46:05   deleting like nope nope that's not what [TS]

00:46:08   I'm trying to say but it didn't open up [TS]

00:46:10   delete let's go back to blue and then [TS]

00:46:12   the the final product shows no it shows [TS]

00:46:17   no record of what of the three or four [TS]

00:46:20   different ways you tried to get into it [TS]

00:46:22   but you're also never obligated to just [TS]

00:46:25   try and finish that thought you know our [TS]

00:46:28   or contort in midair to to include what [TS]

00:46:34   you've already written and still make [TS]

00:46:36   the point you're trying to get to [TS]

00:46:38   and I so but but adding the idea of than [TS]

00:46:44   riding slowly and neatly to that 22 that [TS]

00:46:50   with that which i already know and have [TS]

00:46:53   just described [TS]

00:46:54   yeah I feel like that is a major thought [TS]

00:46:56   technology like the creative hack even I [TS]

00:47:00   i think it might be well actually I i [TS]

00:47:04   bet that everybody has things like this [TS]

00:47:07   that are different things i'm tossing [TS]

00:47:09   out a general macro thought technology [TS]

00:47:11   is try doing stuffs more slowly [TS]

00:47:14   o.o not just limited to handwrite oh no [TS]

00:47:17   I mean I am in particular saying that [TS]

00:47:19   that's that's a great example of what [TS]

00:47:20   i'm talking about the ink slower it's [TS]

00:47:22   hard to do but I you know what it is I [TS]

00:47:23   mean I there's a lot of things where [TS]

00:47:26   like I am a little bit of a grumpy old [TS]

00:47:27   man but not as much as I as I scene I [TS]

00:47:30   mean I don't have I don't have too much [TS]

00:47:33   objection to how other people talk to [TS]

00:47:35   other people like that's not my business [TS]

00:47:37   right [TS]

00:47:38   I'm not here to be the police officer it [TS]

00:47:40   tells you whether and when you should [TS]

00:47:42   use emojis and whether when you should [TS]

00:47:44   use you know paragraphs and periods and [TS]

00:47:48   stuff like that i will say that for [TS]

00:47:49   myself I still I I still treasure the [TS]

00:47:54   moment of struggling to say the thing [TS]

00:47:57   that I want to say and just typing LMAO [TS]

00:48:00   is not a thing i want to start doing [TS]

00:48:02   with me means first of all the first [TS]

00:48:04   time you do that are I mean are you [TS]

00:48:06   literally laughing your ass off perhaps [TS]

00:48:07   you are perhaps yards in which case [TS]

00:48:09   that's a terrific sense you could write [TS]

00:48:11   that was very funny I'm laughing my ass [TS]

00:48:13   off right now but it comes awfully easy [TS]

00:48:17   to just type those little letters and [TS]

00:48:19   again I i'm speaking just here for [TS]

00:48:20   myself I'm not trying to advocate for [TS]

00:48:22   this but i like when i write to you or [TS]

00:48:25   write to my wife or whatever even just [TS]

00:48:26   in attacks i still find myself saying [TS]

00:48:28   how am I gonna say this uh and and how [TS]

00:48:32   do i how do I compact Lee and elegantly [TS]

00:48:36   Sing se the thing that I want to say and [TS]

00:48:38   have it go the way that I wanted to go [TS]

00:48:40   and i feel myself being drawn this [TS]

00:48:44   gravitational pull of drawing everybody [TS]

00:48:46   into this really spazzy like over the [TS]

00:48:50   top ! culture [TS]

00:48:52   that I I'm not saying I'm against it but [TS]

00:48:54   I want to be aware of it and i want to [TS]

00:48:56   start making sure that i really want to [TS]

00:48:58   be exclaiming that many things that i [TS]

00:49:00   really want to actually has a 50 fucking [TS]

00:49:02   year old man become that ejaculatory [TS]

00:49:04   about saying i'll see you in five [TS]

00:49:06   minutes [TS]

00:49:06   hmm because maybe that doesn't matter [TS]

00:49:08   what I think it might matter i'll leave [TS]

00:49:11   it to other cultural commentators to [TS]

00:49:12   decide whether that's a good or bad [TS]

00:49:13   thing for people to grow up at that [TS]

00:49:15   entirely but you know I want to I want [TS]

00:49:17   to make myself be a little starchy [TS]

00:49:19   sometimes I want to make myself go slow [TS]

00:49:21   i want to make myself think about what [TS]

00:49:23   I'm about to say because if we all just [TS]

00:49:26   ejaculate the first thing that occurs to [TS]

00:49:28   us all the time from now on that does [TS]

00:49:30   not feel like a fun future to me [TS]

00:49:32   mm so kind of pushback on that is that [TS]

00:49:35   alright I I think that's I think that's [TS]

00:49:37   wonderful and well put i have you [TS]

00:49:40   discovered that LOL law in your own [TS]

00:49:44   personal lexicon has has already morphed [TS]

00:49:47   into haha yeah like yeah I noticed I [TS]

00:49:51   noticed that with well I've never been a [TS]

00:49:53   fan of LOL the i would much more [TS]

00:49:55   frequently especially talking to you [TS]

00:49:57   said the syllables LOL or-or-or long [TS]

00:50:01   ruffle ruffle ruffle ruffle I just I've [TS]

00:50:04   always thought that's so like you don't [TS]

00:50:06   even have you don't even have time to [TS]

00:50:07   laugh but they've they've come it's [TS]

00:50:10   gonna if they morphed into at least at [TS]

00:50:13   everyone I know and certainly the way i [TS]

00:50:15   use them is just like not funny like not [TS]

00:50:19   laughing out loud night when i see haha [TS]

00:50:22   whose voice am i doing I'm kind of maybe [TS]

00:50:25   doing the voices somebody that chick [TS]

00:50:26   publication or maybe like a monkey on [TS]

00:50:29   Pleasure Island in Pinocchio he better [TS]

00:50:31   not when I say haha areas haha sounds [TS]

00:50:35   like you know it's the sound of like a [TS]

00:50:38   practical joke on wrong and I poke you [TS]

00:50:40   in the eye [TS]

00:50:41   haha like about bringing a plastic [TS]

00:50:46   donkey that the chick publication is [TS]

00:50:48   great because those were always felt [TS]

00:50:50   hwhw I know he'll Charley Conners haha [TS]

00:50:55   always having a heart attack that's just [TS]

00:50:57   don't know his ghost is leaving the body [TS]

00:50:59   and children [TS]

00:51:01   oh he's sitting in front of a faceless [TS]

00:51:03   judgment day jesus oh they could be that [TS]

00:51:07   they would be the the the tribes would [TS]

00:51:09   be so specific and like toms of finland [TS]

00:51:12   at the beginning and then by the end it [TS]

00:51:14   got real the get real degraded into just [TS]

00:51:16   some kind of cloak Doctor Who character [TS]

00:51:17   standing in flames [TS]

00:51:18   yeah standing flame saying you are [TS]

00:51:20   headed dad George and charley Conners I [TS]

00:51:25   and what that does that gives me faith [TS]

00:51:29   that that even the like that that there [TS]

00:51:34   is that sort [TS]

00:51:35   Donna scizzum wins out right that even [TS]

00:51:39   even something as like dull-witted as [TS]

00:51:43   law can be converted into into a way of [TS]

00:51:51   conveying some of the degradation of [TS]

00:51:54   reading reading against the grain a [TS]

00:51:56   little bit yeah and a but it seems like [TS]

00:51:58   they're surely there are people and I [TS]

00:52:00   think they are probably all like [TS]

00:52:02   Facebook moms who still use law ! as [TS]

00:52:08   like I'm laughing out loud right now [TS]

00:52:10   right now I feel like it has to it has [TS]

00:52:12   turned almost entirely into like the [TS]

00:52:16   thing that you just sent me isn't that [TS]

00:52:18   funny trihard out like well there's [TS]

00:52:21   something I I you know again it's like [TS]

00:52:23   it's like the Eddie Eddie Vetter noise [TS]

00:52:24   or the paul stanley screen [TS]

00:52:26   don't start doing it ironically because [TS]

00:52:28   within a week it won't be ironic anymore [TS]

00:52:30   and now you just do that [TS]

00:52:31   come on aaron has ever done ball or [TS]

00:52:34   alright like don't start doing that and [TS]

00:52:36   I spent 15 years ago wow alright [TS]

00:52:39   like I don't know why but I started [TS]

00:52:41   doing that on this is a friend of the [TS]

00:52:43   family is a very very sweet woman she [TS]

00:52:44   works she's probably maybe maybe 50 [TS]

00:52:47   something she work she's she works at a [TS]

00:52:48   school and she's always my like canary [TS]

00:52:51   in the coal mine for whatever phrase it [TS]

00:52:54   is about to become very noice some for [TS]

00:52:57   me [TS]

00:52:57   alright well yeah did she say that no no [TS]

00:53:01   no no but she's she's always because [TS]

00:53:03   she's got a teenage kids and she works [TS]

00:53:05   in school and she picks up a lot of the [TS]

00:53:07   Osher [TS]

00:53:08   and but like I don't know maybe stuff [TS]

00:53:09   I'm just hearing about for the first [TS]

00:53:11   time the kids now are all are all doing [TS]

00:53:13   David Lee rough haha wow [TS]

00:53:15   but you're back now but for example one [TS]

00:53:21   that now you and I use ironically she [TS]

00:53:23   was the one of the first ones i heard [TS]

00:53:24   who would say thank you [TS]

00:53:28   paris hilton LOL thank you [TS]

00:53:32   and then there's like there's like a [TS]

00:53:34   whole Thank You culture like a whole [TS]

00:53:35   like when you can sit around you have [TS]

00:53:37   your white wine and talk about stuff [TS]

00:53:38   just got a gal Thank You arm i love you [TS]

00:53:46   i love you i sent you a couple panels [TS]

00:53:49   from my all-time favorite chick [TS]

00:53:51   publication called Wounded children [TS]

00:53:54   wounded children wanted children [TS]

00:53:57   I really it's a hell of a piece of work [TS]

00:54:00   because he basically get from like [TS]

00:54:03   there's there is a porno mag in the [TS]

00:54:05   house the little boy finds its eight [TS]

00:54:07   shows it to him [TS]

00:54:08   oh my god it's not letting me see it I [TS]

00:54:11   need to its I'm talking to you on skype [TS]

00:54:13   right now [TS]

00:54:14   uh-huh but there's this new button you [TS]

00:54:17   see link address where you send me the [TS]

00:54:19   link and then skype says sign into skype [TS]

00:54:21   with your and it's just like what I'm [TS]

00:54:23   i'm using skype you ding-a-ling [TS]

00:54:25   centurylink see if that works better but [TS]

00:54:26   Satan is showing him the book and little [TS]

00:54:29   boy season he's obviously very upset [TS]

00:54:30   within a few pages he's a young man in a [TS]

00:54:34   leather bar with gay men hahaha [TS]

00:54:39   did you hear the one about the traveling [TS]

00:54:40   cells open the big drawer David and look [TS]

00:54:43   at the pretty books as Satan that's your [TS]

00:54:45   daddy's book [TS]

00:54:46   yes Satan looks very hot in this i have [TS]

00:54:50   to say is very muscley East Harrison [TS]

00:54:53   this is a page we should probably [TS]

00:54:55   acknowledged enter the Jabberwock calm [TS]

00:54:57   if your daddy enjoys this book [TS]

00:55:00   yeah it has to be okay and where's him [TS]

00:55:03   in the bar looking in the bar [TS]

00:55:05   I'm so high I'm flying tiny amyl nitrate [TS]

00:55:07   sure get a rush [TS]

00:55:09   wow this is where it's at yeah FML [TS]

00:55:11   nitrate is where it's at [TS]

00:55:13   whoa yeah yeah I remember that seen them [TS]

00:55:17   in the fabulous furry freak brothers fat [TS]

00:55:19   fries cat comic [TS]

00:55:20   when now when no freewheeling Franklin [TS]

00:55:24   freak has a bunch of amyl nitrate [TS]

00:55:28   capsules in his front pocket of his [TS]

00:55:30   shirt and some cop jumps jumps on him as [TS]

00:55:35   cops were want to do at the time and he [TS]

00:55:38   breaks all the amyl nitrate in in [TS]

00:55:40   freewheeling Franklin's shirt pocket and [TS]

00:55:43   free one Franklin inhales like 10 amyl [TS]

00:55:48   nitrate capsules all at once and then he [TS]

00:55:50   gets up and he kicks the cops ass while [TS]

00:55:53   like a pie with spinach very funny i [TS]

00:55:55   wish i could send you a link to that but [TS]

00:55:57   you know they're not signed in and I [TS]

00:55:59   wouldn't know I'm not signed it [TS]

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00:57:29   oh yeah I used to collect these [TS]

00:57:33   informally and in the fullness of time i [TS]

00:57:36   actually started I cheated and I started [TS]

00:57:38   buying them [TS]

00:57:39   why did you can coordinate of course [TS]

00:57:42   that what you think that come from it's [TS]

00:57:43   not spontaneous generation bootstrap [TS]

00:57:44   paradox they start somewhere and that's [TS]

00:57:46   at the jack chick publications [TS]

00:57:47   organization and you can order a bunch [TS]

00:57:49   of these how do you think the end up in [TS]

00:57:50   America's urinals you I've told you [TS]

00:57:53   before haven't I about my flirtation [TS]

00:57:55   with evangelical Christianity i-i-i [TS]

00:57:59   don't think you have that hmm if you [TS]

00:58:02   have I don't remember it but i would [TS]

00:58:04   like to hear about that [TS]

00:58:05   well during during that era in the [TS]

00:58:07   eighties when most moral majority yeah [TS]

00:58:10   yeah there was no there was it was [TS]

00:58:12   really the the splintering of the [TS]

00:58:14   factions the the even evangelicalism was [TS]

00:58:19   coming was leaving the leading the [TS]

00:58:25   Southern Baptist tradition and leaving [TS]

00:58:26   the Midwestern sort of farm church [TS]

00:58:30   culture and it was becoming Southern [TS]

00:58:33   Californian and it was it was the mega [TS]

00:58:36   churches were developing it was it was [TS]

00:58:38   it was blowing up in our nation and [TS]

00:58:42   there were chick publications it seems [TS]

00:58:44   like everywhere and people were people [TS]

00:58:48   were really getting into this this vocal [TS]

00:58:52   muscular prosperity Christianity in a [TS]

00:58:58   way that was was new and exciting and [TS]

00:59:02   and you know I'm not a guy that wants to [TS]

00:59:05   see a trend happen where is not he [TS]

00:59:09   doesn't at least dip his toe in the [TS]

00:59:11   water [TS]

00:59:11   no you got you get your research you [TS]

00:59:13   like you like to know what's going on [TS]

00:59:14   you get to make your own decision [TS]

00:59:16   hold your own counsel about these things [TS]

00:59:17   but you know you don't want to just [TS]

00:59:18   arrived something you didn't even know [TS]

00:59:19   what that was going on for years exactly [TS]

00:59:21   right so i started watching the PTL Club [TS]

00:59:23   to see what was going on and I was I'm [TS]

00:59:25   not somebody who consumes media [TS]

00:59:27   ironically in particular they were good [TS]

00:59:30   for you [TS]

00:59:30   there were people think there were [TS]

00:59:31   people out of a of our time the church [TS]

00:59:35   of the bob dobbs crowd [TS]

00:59:37   who watched PTL ironically but you know [TS]

00:59:42   i was watching it just earnestly like [TS]

00:59:43   let's see what's going on I didn't like [TS]

00:59:45   it but i but i wanted i didn't want to [TS]

00:59:47   be blind to what was happening and I [TS]

00:59:51   always loved a chick comic because i [TS]

00:59:54   love comics and you could put any kind [TS]

00:59:58   of insanity into [TS]

00:59:58   of insanity into [TS]

01:00:00   comic book form and i would read it i [TS]

01:00:02   would grab it and read it happily and i [TS]

01:00:06   have read some alignment I've read a ton [TS]

01:00:08   of insanity because it was in comic book [TS]

01:00:10   form [TS]

01:00:11   yeah but i remember when i was younger [TS]

01:00:15   and we would be walking through airports [TS]

01:00:18   and the hare krishna would come up and [TS]

01:00:19   try and pick a flower on my dad and my [TS]

01:00:22   dad would somehow like he would [TS]

01:00:25   materialize a cricket bat out of his [TS]

01:00:27   jacket and just like no get the fuck [TS]

01:00:31   away from me hippie or what you know he [TS]

01:00:32   would just like he would send those [TS]

01:00:34   people packing and i remember at eight [TS]

01:00:37   nine ten years old kind of wistful leave [TS]

01:00:40   wishing that my dad would stop and [TS]

01:00:42   engage them because I was very curious [TS]

01:00:44   about them and my dad when he did engage [TS]

01:00:47   people it was we learned a lot you know [TS]

01:00:49   I learned a lot just by dad stopping and [TS]

01:00:51   talking to people on the street so why [TS]

01:00:53   wasn't he talking to these fascinating [TS]

01:00:55   hairy Christmas in the airport who all [TS]

01:00:58   they wanted to do was give him a free [TS]

01:00:59   flour [TS]

01:01:00   oh and he ok so serious that usually he [TS]

01:01:02   would have a conversation you would [TS]

01:01:03   learn something something smelled weird [TS]

01:01:05   about this because he wasn't even given [TS]

01:01:06   him the time of day he just didn't even [TS]

01:01:08   want you just gave him he gave him the [TS]

01:01:10   heisman and I was like you know my dad [TS]

01:01:13   will stop and talk to anybody you know [TS]

01:01:15   they're Heisman and a straight arm as [TS]

01:01:17   right back to get through [TS]

01:01:19   yeah that's good okay um you know he's [TS]

01:01:21   like there would be people would walk up [TS]

01:01:23   to us on the sidewalk all the time guys [TS]

01:01:25   in in like deerstalker hats that had [TS]

01:01:28   flowers all over their hat and they [TS]

01:01:30   wanted to talk to my dad about some [TS]

01:01:31   strange you know some like public policy [TS]

01:01:34   in my dad sit and talk to him for 45 [TS]

01:01:36   minutes but these guys with the top knot [TS]

01:01:39   and and the row but the airport he [TS]

01:01:41   doesn't want to talk so I made it a [TS]

01:01:43   policy to always stop and talk to Harry [TS]

01:01:45   Krishna's when I got to be 18 and was [TS]

01:01:47   moving through airports on my own if [TS]

01:01:50   somebody came up and tried to put a [TS]

01:01:51   flower on me i would stop and talk to [TS]

01:01:52   them about Harry krishna for a for [TS]

01:01:55   enough time until they started to repeat [TS]

01:01:58   themselves and I learned a lot about [TS]

01:02:00   Harry krishna but then they all went [TS]

01:02:03   away like they stopped being airports [TS]

01:02:06   all of a sudden it just disappeared they [TS]

01:02:08   just disappeared one day they were in [TS]

01:02:10   every Airport ever [TS]

01:02:11   we're and then I don't know what [TS]

01:02:12   happened every fish nuts but it just [TS]

01:02:16   hey professionals dimples hurt hurt [TS]

01:02:18   their pickles for every fish nuts haha [TS]

01:02:21   that's not Lou county especially my [TS]

01:02:23   daughter is the one she thought it was [TS]

01:02:25   hilarious [TS]

01:02:25   what the hell she can't know anything [TS]

01:02:27   about is no idea purpose for Harry [TS]

01:02:29   fishing pole opus just off of some domak [TS]

01:02:33   it's just he just misheard things so [TS]

01:02:36   seriously [TS]

01:02:37   well because early opus did that a lot [TS]

01:02:40   earlier long-nosed opus before was [TS]

01:02:42   really like a puffin yeah before he [TS]

01:02:44   turned into fat nose opus when he was [TS]

01:02:46   long nose opus he was always he was [TS]

01:02:48   always garbling things what is the term [TS]

01:02:50   of art for that the like a spoonerism [TS]

01:02:52   more tourism and yeah but anyway so then [TS]

01:02:56   then the her Christmas went away but the [TS]

01:02:59   evangelical missionaries started to [TS]

01:03:04   appear with their chick tracts and then [TS]

01:03:05   you know the college college church [TS]

01:03:08   people [TS]

01:03:09   uh-huh and I would sit and talk to them [TS]

01:03:11   for endless hours [TS]

01:03:13   oh my goodness and part of it was I was [TS]

01:03:16   genuinely curious and i genuinely wanted [TS]

01:03:18   to get to the bottom of the logical [TS]

01:03:20   proper their logical process like okay [TS]

01:03:24   explain it explain that again like [TS]

01:03:26   because I not being raised in a [TS]

01:03:28   Christian tradition like I didn't even [TS]

01:03:30   fully understand the transubstantiation [TS]

01:03:32   of ground that's that doesn't even apply [TS]

01:03:35   and even jealous ilysm but like I didn't [TS]

01:03:38   get the logic of dying for someone [TS]

01:03:42   else's sins even I mean that was all [TS]

01:03:43   stuff that i needed explain to me and [TS]

01:03:46   would sit and listen to it and and I [TS]

01:03:48   wasn't really even debating I was just [TS]

01:03:50   absorbing and I would sit legs crossed [TS]

01:03:54   and also I didn't want to be rude but [TS]

01:03:56   like I would I in an airport I would put [TS]

01:03:59   my bag down and go sit over and it in [TS]

01:04:01   set of chairs with them and they would [TS]

01:04:03   get very excited because you know that's [TS]

01:04:05   a problem they got a live one [TS]

01:04:06   yeah that's right it's probably a [TS]

01:04:07   thankless job and when they hook a [TS]

01:04:08   bigmouth bass like me and sit down and [TS]

01:04:12   start talking to him about that stuff [TS]

01:04:14   it's we would i would have some lively [TS]

01:04:17   conversations with some real well [TS]

01:04:19   well many people and for a while I would [TS]

01:04:24   time between 18 and 19 years old I [TS]

01:04:27   walked around wondering about the [TS]

01:04:30   process that i would have to undergo in [TS]

01:04:34   order to in order to become an [TS]

01:04:38   evangelical person because I also [TS]

01:04:41   believed in magic or miracles or I [TS]

01:04:47   believed in transformation I believed in [TS]

01:04:49   epiphany and so I was very open multiple [TS]

01:04:54   times in my life I've been very open to [TS]

01:04:56   epiphany and island in the same way that [TS]

01:05:00   you would try to conjure an orb try to [TS]

01:05:03   conjure nor but her butt but very open [TS]

01:05:05   to in in particular the possibility of [TS]

01:05:09   Christian epiphany when I was walking [TS]

01:05:12   across europe i was a don't know if I [TS]

01:05:16   ever told you the story but i was [TS]

01:05:17   walking along the danube outside of [TS]

01:05:20   Vienna and i'm walking along the dike [TS]

01:05:24   right the the Danube is diked for much [TS]

01:05:27   of its length and so it's an enormous [TS]

01:05:32   river and these are enormous dykes on [TS]

01:05:34   either side and i'm walking on this dike [TS]

01:05:36   and I hear this voice shout out [TS]

01:05:40   launderer von der ER and I turn around [TS]

01:05:43   and there's this little sort of a [TS]

01:05:45   leprechaun who is resting in the shade [TS]

01:05:49   of a of like am the utility box like a [TS]

01:05:53   like a big metal some kind of water [TS]

01:05:57   maintenance box and he stands up and he [TS]

01:06:00   is he has almost a bindle wanna stick [TS]

01:06:05   right he's got a he's got a he's got a [TS]

01:06:08   little bag and got his little hiking [TS]

01:06:10   boots and a long red beard and kind of [TS]

01:06:13   longer share and he's not a very talk I [TS]

01:06:15   five and a half feet tall and he comes [TS]

01:06:19   over he starts hammering me in German [TS]

01:06:21   and I'm like I don't speak German and he [TS]

01:06:22   and he speaks some English and he says [TS]

01:06:24   what are you doing you're clearly a [TS]

01:06:25   wonderer I'd like I am a wanderer you [TS]

01:06:29   are right sir you have you have you have [TS]

01:06:32   identified me correctly and he said I [TS]

01:06:33   too am a wanderer [TS]

01:06:34   where are you going and I said I'm going [TS]

01:06:37   at the time I wouldn't tell people I was [TS]

01:06:40   going to Istanbul because i had a policy [TS]

01:06:42   in my heart that you do not say you are [TS]

01:06:45   walking to Istanbul because it's too [TS]

01:06:47   crazy sounding and you'll never make it [TS]

01:06:49   if you say you'll curse yourself but I [TS]

01:06:52   said I'm walking to Romania and he said [TS]

01:06:54   I am also walking to Romania let us walk [TS]

01:06:58   together and for three days [TS]

01:07:02   Bernard and I walked together toward [TS]

01:07:06   romania and we walked into slovakia [TS]

01:07:10   together and we walked into hungry [TS]

01:07:12   together and Bernard was amazing meeting [TS]

01:07:15   a wonderful man who had formerly owned [TS]

01:07:19   he was a ship captain who had owned a [TS]

01:07:22   Danube boat a longboat that transacted [TS]

01:07:28   and he was from lengths in Austria and [TS]

01:07:30   he was a boat captain on the Danny but [TS]

01:07:32   he had given it all away [TS]

01:07:34   given the boat away given his house away [TS]

01:07:38   in order to go on a pilgrimage to [TS]

01:07:40   Romania to discover what God had in [TS]

01:07:48   store for him [TS]

01:07:51   wow he was a one it was wonderful man [TS]

01:07:54   and after three days of walking together [TS]

01:07:57   i realized that i was honest I was on a [TS]

01:08:02   journey to Romania and he was on a [TS]

01:08:04   journey to Romania but those were [TS]

01:08:05   separate journeys because Bernard like [TS]

01:08:07   to camp burner did not understand not to [TS]

01:08:10   camp in a mosquito blog but there are a [TS]

01:08:14   lot of things Bernard was learning first [TS]

01:08:16   and he was older than I was right he was [TS]

01:08:18   10 years older than I was but he didn't [TS]

01:08:20   know not to camp in a mosquito ballgame [TS]

01:08:22   that was the thing that I have learned [TS]

01:08:23   at a young age so we agreed at a certain [TS]

01:08:26   point along the road [TS]

01:08:27   let's meet up again you go your way I'll [TS]

01:08:31   go mine but we'll rendezvous again in [TS]

01:08:35   Romania [TS]

01:08:37   and he left he wrote likes a little map [TS]

01:08:40   on a on the back of a business card and [TS]

01:08:43   said when you get to Romania follow this [TS]

01:08:45   map anyway I'm got it's a long story i'm [TS]

01:08:49   giving away too much but I did run away [TS]

01:08:53   with him in Romania and we went on a [TS]

01:08:55   pilgrimage a romanian orthodox [TS]

01:08:58   pilgrimage to a to a place in [TS]

01:09:03   Transylvania where there was an icon of [TS]

01:09:07   the Virgin who had the icon had appeared [TS]

01:09:13   magically on a mountaintop it was not it [TS]

01:09:17   was not painted by a by a living person [TS]

01:09:19   it appeared and the Romanians built a [TS]

01:09:23   church around it because it commanded [TS]

01:09:26   them to and now the icon hung in the [TS]

01:09:30   church and people came on a pilgrimage [TS]

01:09:34   to this place and they walked around the [TS]

01:09:35   church i'm sorry they crawled around the [TS]

01:09:38   church on their hands and knees like [TS]

01:09:42   hundreds and hundreds of times it was [TS]

01:09:44   part of the pilgrimage that you get [TS]

01:09:46   there and then you crawl around this [TS]

01:09:48   church on your hands and knees until [TS]

01:09:50   your hands and knees are bloody because [TS]

01:09:53   the icon commanded it somehow and not so [TS]

01:09:59   I went on this Adventure and I was so I [TS]

01:10:03   was so vulnerable at that moment in my [TS]

01:10:07   life and susceptible in that moment of [TS]

01:10:09   my life that I that I was like okay [TS]

01:10:12   God you work in miraculous ways and I am [TS]

01:10:16   utterly open to the possibility that [TS]

01:10:20   this which seems bananas is a is [TS]

01:10:25   potentially a doorway to you that I [TS]

01:10:29   hadn't considered before [TS]

01:10:31   not that i am not that i believe that [TS]

01:10:33   this icon appeared on a mountaintop but [TS]

01:10:35   that this is clearly animating people [TS]

01:10:39   your spirit is clearly animating people [TS]

01:10:42   here to do these remarkable things what [TS]

01:10:46   seem remarkable to me [TS]

01:10:47   [Music] [TS]

01:10:48   I am newly awakened to you like ready [TS]

01:10:55   ready for the lightning bolt and anna [TS]

01:10:57   and i know that they're been there have [TS]

01:11:00   been hundreds of thousands of bees in [TS]

01:11:02   history who stand on a on a windswept [TS]

01:11:05   mount up and say I'm ready for the [TS]

01:11:07   lightning bolt God and God rarely [TS]

01:11:10   produces lightning bolts in those [TS]

01:11:12   situations that's not how many rolls [TS]

01:11:14   it's not how he rolls he does not burn [TS]

01:11:16   bushes for everybody right uh-huh [TS]

01:11:19   but over the years I have suspended [TS]

01:11:24   disbelief multiple times and said i [TS]

01:11:28   believe in epiphany and and like let it [TS]

01:11:33   roll and it and not even like God you [TS]

01:11:37   have until noon tomorrow to hit me with [TS]

01:11:40   with some bells like not at all i'm like [TS]

01:11:44   i'm just here i am an empty vessel and [TS]

01:11:48   so yeah that that was a that was [TS]

01:11:53   probably the most recent time [TS]

01:11:56   well and you you're justyou're you're [TS]

01:11:58   there and you're available I was there [TS]

01:11:59   and I was available and Bernard was very [TS]

01:12:02   available we neither of us had an [TS]

01:12:08   epiphany but Bernard after i left [TS]

01:12:13   Romania Bernard state and he fell in [TS]

01:12:18   love with the romanian girl and he [TS]

01:12:22   started some kind of church himself [TS]

01:12:29   ok where the doctors at church to the [TS]

01:12:34   like was it from Malaga a ground-up you [TS]

01:12:38   know like an edifice or without [TS]

01:12:41   technology [TS]

01:12:42   I thought technology Bernard was very [TS]

01:12:44   interested in helping people and he got [TS]

01:12:47   into he developed a practice of helping [TS]

01:12:50   people he went back to arad which is [TS]

01:12:54   close to timish wara and he started a [TS]

01:12:59   group of [TS]

01:13:00   they started to help group which morphed [TS]

01:13:06   into a kind of church like edifice [TS]

01:13:13   notnot building but like it like a [TS]

01:13:15   thought edifice and now i'm not sure [TS]

01:13:19   exactly what the doctrine of his group [TS]

01:13:22   is my Romanian is pretty rusty [TS]

01:13:25   yeah but it does have a it does have a [TS]

01:13:28   complete up like a like a turn the [TS]

01:13:32   loaves and two fishes quality to it i [TS]

01:13:36   mean there's something to ecstatic [TS]

01:13:38   Christianity though it's a little bit [TS]

01:13:40   like punk rock where it's one thing to [TS]

01:13:42   really like somebody else's band but you [TS]

01:13:44   but you ultimately really want to start [TS]

01:13:45   your own people idea [TS]

01:13:46   mhm like you want that to be your [TS]

01:13:48   ecstasy and exactly and and and the and [TS]

01:13:51   because he has a sort of Central [TS]

01:13:53   European you know central Eastern [TS]

01:13:57   European take on things but he is [TS]

01:14:00   Austrian ultimately let that let that [TS]

01:14:03   sink in his ecstatic is exactly the word [TS]

01:14:08   he is his new church that he runs with [TS]

01:14:14   his wife which is also like a feed the [TS]

01:14:16   people kind of organization like i don't [TS]

01:14:20   know i don't know what what they're [TS]

01:14:22   doing and he occasionally reaches out to [TS]

01:14:25   me and says send us american money [TS]

01:14:29   because we are building a pump to pump [TS]

01:14:35   Satan out of the water or something and [TS]

01:14:39   i go i bernard I could send you fifty [TS]

01:14:43   dollars American that would help you [TS]

01:14:45   build that pump but I'm temp I'm timid [TS]

01:14:48   about that i want to i want to continue [TS]

01:14:51   let me continue the conversation we've [TS]

01:14:53   been having for 15 years about about God [TS]

01:14:55   but I don't know if I'm ready to invest [TS]

01:14:58   in pump [TS]

01:14:59   yeah I'm sure you do the same for you [TS]

01:15:01   well that's you know the kind of person [TS]

01:15:04   last report money but you know just [TS]

01:15:06   saying maybe one way street [TS]

01:15:08   well that's the thing with me what we [TS]

01:15:10   are we we are people of resource [TS]

01:15:12   here in America but I up money we don't [TS]

01:15:16   have as much Satan in the water here [TS]

01:15:18   that's more good point or if we do it's [TS]

01:15:21   being filtered somewhere way upstream by [TS]

01:15:23   the municipality just in front [TS]

01:15:25   yeah so I don't know did were you ever [TS]

01:15:29   were you ever like how vulnerable were [TS]

01:15:32   you toward not vulnerable but that that [TS]

01:15:34   implies a that implies some predation [TS]

01:15:37   but like how how open were you to be [TS]

01:15:41   evangelized well I talked about this in [TS]

01:15:43   other places but I was a very devout add [TS]

01:15:47   a couple times in my life but that's not [TS]

01:15:49   even the part that interests me as much [TS]

01:15:51   right here [TS]

01:15:51   I mean we have to talk about that talked [TS]

01:15:53   about a lot on some other shit but what [TS]

01:15:55   are these other shows are you getting on [TS]

01:15:57   with you on your podcast for living John [TS]

01:15:59   you into you are on other podcasts [TS]

01:16:01   besides the show [TS]

01:16:02   turns out and so here's the thing i [TS]

01:16:03   think is interesting now and as is that [TS]

01:16:06   it does eh i wonder how many people come [TS]

01:16:10   to religion or faith that the strongest [TS]

01:16:12   point in their life because I i have a [TS]

01:16:15   feeling i mean feel free to answer my [TS]

01:16:18   guess is not at night so many I think [TS]

01:16:20   they come to religion at that the less [TS]

01:16:21   strong points in their life you know [TS]

01:16:23   people don't don't go out and learn [TS]

01:16:25   self-defense when they're winning a lot [TS]

01:16:26   of fights and people aren't looking for [TS]

01:16:29   an answer to life's giant questions when [TS]

01:16:31   everything is going their way and [TS]

01:16:32   everything's coming up milhouse so you [TS]

01:16:34   know it's interesting to me though how [TS]

01:16:36   and you know no matter what you say [TS]

01:16:38   about religion you're going to yell that [TS]

01:16:40   I in the last two weeks I've I've I've [TS]

01:16:41   said things that are that are a fairly [TS]

01:16:44   strong defense of people of faith and I [TS]

01:16:47   got yelled at about that last week we [TS]

01:16:49   said I thought I bracketed it really [TS]

01:16:52   carefully to say I'm not really talking [TS]

01:16:53   about religion a really good [TS]

01:16:54   relationship i'm talking about really [TS]

01:16:55   just traditions in the past still there [TS]

01:16:58   wasn't sure because you enjoy religion [TS]

01:17:00   now let's not what I said but in this [TS]

01:17:02   instance I think it's interesting how at [TS]

01:17:05   the time when you are most open to the [TS]

01:17:08   idea of faith it's also because little [TS]

01:17:11   bit desperate because you're kind of [TS]

01:17:12   like sitting there waiting for God to [TS]

01:17:13   call you're waiting for the thundering [TS]

01:17:15   and you're going mhm I sure would love [TS]

01:17:18   to know that this thing that I'm hoping [TS]

01:17:21   turns out the way I want to go that way [TS]

01:17:23   that becomes extend to like I hope [TS]

01:17:24   somebody's list [TS]

01:17:25   something I hope there's something out [TS]

01:17:27   there because I've got this days and for [TS]

01:17:30   the state to really work you know [TS]

01:17:33   come on do something said bush on fire [TS]

01:17:35   or something [TS]

01:17:36   it's just interesting though because [TS]

01:17:37   like uh if god were listening and God [TS]

01:17:41   would probably unlikely to do that [TS]

01:17:42   because then it would really be faith [TS]

01:17:43   anymore now it's a magic show right [TS]

01:17:46   magical the problem is like you know it [TS]

01:17:48   isn't like you're having your greatest [TS]

01:17:49   moment of scientific introspection and [TS]

01:17:51   asking for a lightning bolt to prove [TS]

01:17:52   that you're doing science right that [TS]

01:17:54   would make sense but just in the same [TS]

01:17:56   way I don't know how much sense it makes [TS]

01:17:57   to it and I mean it makes sense I've [TS]

01:17:59   done it I've gone like I've done that [TS]

01:18:01   whole like cartoon character think about [TS]

01:18:02   going like I will be the most devout [TS]

01:18:04   follower in the world as long as you let [TS]

01:18:06   me win this contest or whatever so I [TS]

01:18:08   don't know I i do think it's interesting [TS]

01:18:09   now the the state of mind that brings [TS]

01:18:13   people to an act of faith or it's a leap [TS]

01:18:16   of faith is a term of art but what [TS]

01:18:18   brings you to like being open and [TS]

01:18:19   vulnerable [TS]

01:18:21   however you are you know however you [TS]

01:18:23   want to think of it and then like what [TS]

01:18:25   keeps you there if things stay the same [TS]

01:18:28   or do in fact get better right [TS]

01:18:31   I don't know I don't know I think it's [TS]

01:18:32   very interesting because i think almost [TS]

01:18:33   everybody if they were honest with [TS]

01:18:34   themselves would admit at some point [TS]

01:18:36   they felt desperate enough about [TS]

01:18:37   something to ask whatever to just make [TS]

01:18:40   it better for ya go away I think anybody [TS]

01:18:43   who doesn't say that either has had a [TS]

01:18:44   very fortunate life for his lying [TS]

01:18:46   because we've all done it [TS]

01:18:48   did you ever read more are you familiar [TS]

01:18:50   with the book a walk across America know [TS]

01:18:52   so somebody gave that book to me back in [TS]

01:18:56   the old blue highways zen and the art of [TS]

01:19:00   motorcycle maintenance days when i was [TS]

01:19:02   doing a lot of cross country traveling [TS]

01:19:04   you know the freight hopping and the [TS]

01:19:06   hitchhiking and so forth and so there's [TS]

01:19:08   this subculture of books about traveling [TS]

01:19:11   across America as a young open-minded [TS]

01:19:14   vagabond and a walk across America is [TS]

01:19:16   one of those books and I i would say it [TS]

01:19:20   was hungry for it because it was because [TS]

01:19:24   I you know I was doing this searching [TS]

01:19:26   traveling and this was even a dimension [TS]

01:19:30   beyond write like this guy wasn't [TS]

01:19:32   popping phrase across America he was [TS]

01:19:34   fucking walking across [TS]

01:19:35   America am I and I and I and I think [TS]

01:19:39   that this planted a seed in me that many [TS]

01:19:42   years later produced my walk across [TS]

01:19:44   Europe but this guy started in New [TS]

01:19:49   England somewhere east coast and he was [TS]

01:19:51   a young hippie and he didn't know what [TS]

01:19:54   was going on in the world and couldn't [TS]

01:19:56   make sense of it also he and his [TS]

01:19:59   Siberian Husky we're gonna walk together [TS]

01:20:02   across America and he was a he was a [TS]

01:20:06   pretty like son [TS]

01:20:08   sunny disposition person and he started [TS]

01:20:14   to walk across America and rather than [TS]

01:20:16   head west which is what you are what you [TS]

01:20:21   should do if you're gonna walk across [TS]

01:20:22   America he headed south because he was [TS]

01:20:25   gonna walk through the south and then [TS]

01:20:27   turn and walk across America which is [TS]

01:20:30   like okay whatever you know you you you [TS]

01:20:32   make your paths [TS]

01:20:33   I'll make mine and he walked down to [TS]

01:20:36   Appalachia and the first half of the [TS]

01:20:40   book is very interesting in that it's I [TS]

01:20:47   think I think contemporary readers would [TS]

01:20:50   feel like he was he had a colonialist [TS]

01:20:55   mindset and had not checked his [TS]

01:20:56   privilege but at the time he was just a [TS]

01:20:59   young white guy who was walking through [TS]

01:21:01   the poor south which was still has a [TS]

01:21:05   separate Island from the rest of America [TS]

01:21:07   like a lot of undiscovered world down [TS]

01:21:11   there [TS]

01:21:11   sure and he was having all these [TS]

01:21:14   experiences where he's being taken into [TS]

01:21:18   people's homes and it's just a tarpaper [TS]

01:21:21   Shack but they give him hospitality like [TS]

01:21:23   he's never had before and he's marveling [TS]

01:21:26   at the at how wonderful people are and [TS]

01:21:29   this is in the at a time when there's a [TS]

01:21:32   lot of unrest in our country and a lot [TS]

01:21:34   of racial tension in our country but he [TS]

01:21:37   sees that everyone is wonderful and [TS]

01:21:40   beautiful and so forth and i'm reading [TS]

01:21:41   this book and at the time right I'm I'm [TS]

01:21:45   18 and I'm traveling [TS]

01:21:47   and so it's very compelling to me not [TS]

01:21:52   his experiences but the possibility of [TS]

01:21:55   of having similar experiences myself but [TS]

01:21:58   about three quarters of the way through [TS]

01:22:00   the book he's still in Appalachia [TS]

01:22:04   somewhere and I'm as a reader I'm saying [TS]

01:22:09   you know this is a 400-page book more on [TS]

01:22:12   page three hundred he's he's only in [TS]

01:22:16   Virginia is he gonna walk really fast [TS]

01:22:21   across the rest of America how is he [TS]

01:22:24   going to get across America in 100 pages [TS]

01:22:26   not only right right [TS]

01:22:27   he's only been 25 states and so what [TS]

01:22:32   happens to him as he gets down into the [TS]

01:22:35   south and he has met all these southern [TS]

01:22:41   people who he perceives to be much more [TS]

01:22:43   genuine and authentic than his dumb [TS]

01:22:47   middle-class white neighbors from New [TS]

01:22:51   Hampshire wherever he's from [TS]

01:22:53   he's had that experience that a lot of [TS]

01:22:56   young people do in their first traveling [TS]

01:22:58   where there is like wait a minute [TS]

01:23:01   these poor people are fun and beautiful [TS]

01:23:04   what was I you know like the world is [TS]

01:23:06   all upside down right but then he's [TS]

01:23:09   sitting in a church somewhere with his [TS]

01:23:11   with the with this friends that have [TS]

01:23:13   been helping him up on his trip he goes [TS]

01:23:17   to church with them and a light comes in [TS]

01:23:20   the stained-glass window and hits him [TS]

01:23:23   and he has a conversion experience and [TS]

01:23:27   no I it's I think it's even in a tent i [TS]

01:23:29   think it a light comes in through a [TS]

01:23:32   plastic stained glass window in a tent [TS]

01:23:36   and he has a tent revival conversion and [TS]

01:23:41   becomes a passionate evangelical and [TS]

01:23:45   what's amazing about this book is he [TS]

01:23:46   never referred to religion in the first [TS]

01:23:50   three quarters of the book or barely did [TS]

01:23:53   and at one point is dog dies and he's [TS]

01:23:55   very sad and now he's now is confronted [TS]

01:23:58   with the idea of [TS]

01:24:00   walking across America all by himself [TS]

01:24:01   without even the companionship of his [TS]

01:24:03   dog and then the the light hits him and [TS]

01:24:07   the book ends a book called a walk [TS]

01:24:10   across America ends with him in Georgia [TS]

01:24:17   that's strange having been hit by the [TS]

01:24:20   lightning bolt and then he decides that [TS]

01:24:23   he is he's with the geez now huh and [TS]

01:24:29   turns out that's what he was looking for [TS]

01:24:31   the end it seems unsatisfying on many [TS]

01:24:35   levels it was deeply unsatisfying I felt [TS]

01:24:38   totally betrayed by this book but but he [TS]

01:24:42   became kind of a that then he continued [TS]

01:24:47   his walk across America in subsequent [TS]

01:24:49   book or books but now spread the word [TS]

01:24:53   now he was spreading the word now he was [TS]

01:24:54   spreading the gospel and and I don't [TS]

01:24:58   think that those books old as well or [TS]

01:25:00   maybe maybe they sold millions but only [TS]

01:25:03   in christian bookstores right but that [TS]

01:25:06   was you know he had the added experience [TS]

01:25:09   that I I felt like maybe I was a little [TS]

01:25:13   less credulous but but there were many [TS]

01:25:20   many many many many hours out on the [TS]

01:25:22   trail where if a snake had talked to me [TS]

01:25:25   I i would have said you are false god [TS]

01:25:30   snake [TS]

01:25:32   I will not eat that Apple i am i'm in [TS]

01:25:38   service of something higher but I think [TS]

01:25:43   God decided that I he didn't need me he [TS]

01:25:45   was looking for out he was looking for [TS]

01:25:47   people with other skills good we're good [TS]

01:25:49   thanks [TS]

01:25:50   haha he was looking for people that [TS]

01:25:52   understood [TS]

01:25:53   SEO optimization john i'm going to keep [TS]

01:25:56   your resume on file here if anything [TS]

01:25:58   comes up we'll gosh which will be sure [TS]

01:26:01   to let me leave your number with [TS]

01:26:03   whatever doesn't wanna a but he did the [TS]

01:26:09   Lord stands and kind of an awkward [TS]

01:26:11   moment generally kind of gesturing [TS]

01:26:13   toward the [TS]

01:26:13   blowing door haha handshakes handshakes [TS]

01:26:17   all around the option of yourself to [TS]

01:26:19   free water as soon as everybody shaking [TS]

01:26:22   hands there's a palpable sense of relief [TS]

01:26:24   like okay alright interviews so so what [TS]

01:26:28   do you think is your biggest weakness [TS]

01:26:31   God doesn't like me [TS]

01:26:36   mm well boy that's rough [TS]

01:26:40   imagine that can interviewed by the geez [TS]

01:26:41   that's rough [TS]

01:26:43   well getting interviewed by the jesus [TS]

01:26:45   and like the Jesus who feels he feels in [TS]

01:26:48   the popular culture like he's [TS]

01:26:49   represented as somebody who is very [TS]

01:26:52   hungry for volunteers looking for people [TS]

01:26:55   with a wide set of skills and I would [TS]

01:26:59   seem to be somebody that you know i have [TS]

01:27:01   a big a big voice who I like to talk to [TS]

01:27:04   people i can even convince people of [TS]

01:27:05   some pretty you know some pretty [TS]

01:27:08   questionable your fast learner [TS]

01:27:10   self-starter you know you can self [TS]

01:27:12   motivate you would think he would say [TS]

01:27:14   you know what you are exactly the kind [TS]

01:27:18   of people were looking for to expand [TS]

01:27:20   this franchise expanding expanding the [TS]

01:27:23   base I mean you're not the typical the [TS]

01:27:25   employee like you you're you're you know [TS]

01:27:27   I think you would you would bring a lot [TS]

01:27:28   of interesting new people [TS]

01:27:30   that's a discussion that's exactly right [TS]

01:27:31   i have the connections I you know I'm I [TS]

01:27:33   people might say I've tried this [TS]

01:27:37   I've tried the hamburger over there and [TS]

01:27:40   it i didn't find it to my liking but boy [TS]

01:27:42   if you if you say it's a good hamburger [TS]

01:27:45   huh huh maybe i'll give it another try [TS]

01:27:47   but in fact no in fact I I screwed up [TS]

01:27:53   the interview somehow managed to shame [TS]

01:27:55   maybe I maybe I I you know what it was [TS]

01:27:59   they gave me that thing they gave me [TS]

01:28:01   that exam if you see an employee [TS]

01:28:04   stealing paper clips you a tell your [TS]

01:28:09   manager he ignore it because it's just [TS]

01:28:12   paper clips see still paper clips [TS]

01:28:16   yourself d call the police and I didn't [TS]

01:28:20   I didn't [TS]

01:28:21   not one of those was what i would do and [TS]

01:28:23   so I you know I just picked the closest [TS]

01:28:25   thing but I feel like I'm feel like I [TS]

01:28:28   came by whatever it was I that the test [TS]

01:28:32   indicated about me it wasn't what they [TS]

01:28:34   were like a question like that it's all [TS]

01:28:35   i can do that just go really just [TS]

01:28:37   fucking what do you want to know like [TS]

01:28:39   what are you what are you trying to [TS]

01:28:40   trick me into saying at this point am I [TS]

01:28:42   supposed to come up with you the actual [TS]

01:28:44   answers either man innovate or am I [TS]

01:28:46   supposed to like check your grammar on I [TS]

01:28:48   hate it when i get home work for my kids [TS]

01:28:49   school that has grammatical errors it [TS]

01:28:51   just sends me down down a an emotional [TS]

01:28:53   flight of stairs [TS]

01:28:54   you're telling me people at your [TS]

01:28:55   daughter's school send you stuff home [TS]

01:28:57   and it has grammatical errors [TS]

01:28:59   my wife and I disagree on this I think [TS]

01:29:01   they get a lot of stuff off the internet [TS]

01:29:02   and just print it so it's not like the [TS]

01:29:05   other day my daughter is about to start [TS]

01:29:06   homework and you know the type of graph [TS]

01:29:09   goal mark where you do a two-handed [TS]

01:29:11   arrow to say switch these words around [TS]

01:29:12   who she had already copy-edited that my [TS]

01:29:18   daughter a seven-year-old daughter got a [TS]

01:29:20   typo in headline and fixed it [TS]

01:29:21   haha like that'll do pig that'll that'll [TS]

01:29:26   do [TS]

01:29:28   yeah yeah I can't get my kids read the [TS]

01:29:32   instructions [TS]

01:29:33   I'm a big instruction reader I'm a [TS]

01:29:35   manual reader i will never play i was [TS]

01:29:37   very rarely play a game even my plate [TS]

01:29:39   before without going back and reading [TS]

01:29:41   the instructions i forgot i told us [TS]

01:29:43   about a year ago when i was playing [TS]

01:29:44   chess with my kid i forgot about all [TS]

01:29:45   kinds of shit with Chester forgot about [TS]

01:29:46   our Poisson I forgot about you no [TS]

01:29:48   queening i forgot about the the rookie [TS]

01:29:51   move i forgot all that stuff then play [TS]

01:29:52   chess and I was a kid and we don't you [TS]

01:29:54   know all that stuff by those names at [TS]

01:29:56   the time [TS]

01:29:57   well I mean I knew when you play chess [TS]

01:29:59   with anybody who plays chess they [TS]

01:30:01   eventually tell you this stuff after [TS]

01:30:02   they give this was true and they go and [TS]

01:30:04   they do the trick on you know you hate [TS]

01:30:05   how do you move your castle with your [TS]

01:30:06   dude how'd you do that you go [TS]

01:30:08   it's called the the rocks which or [TS]

01:30:10   whatever captain said castling cooking [TS]

01:30:12   these are some things you get a [TS]

01:30:14   whorehouse you get together looking get [TS]

01:30:17   a good look and you get an office on i'd [TS]

01:30:19   like i'd like to get castle [TS]

01:30:23   it's called docking [TS]

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