Roderick on the Line

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00:00:39 ◼   ► Lula you know probably podcast people [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► talk too much boy and this podcast in [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► particular [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► well you know if people just pause pause [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► just thinking reflect you've been on [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► you've been on a lot of podcasts where [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► I'm guessing there some long pauses yeah [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► that it almost never happens on this one [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► mhm now we don't we don't suffer from [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► silence but now it's good it's good it's [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► nice to just take a momentum [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► it makes people uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► I think so yeah i mean i like i like to [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► reflect in these moments on how much [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► this podcast means to me take a minute [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► you know I took I as i was driving in my [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► drive into into this podcast in [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► particular it's different than other [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► drives you dropped your drive into this [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► podcast as I'm driving into this podcast [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► i am reflecting are you really thinking [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► about the podcast before you're on it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► no no not the podcast in particular but [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► the hot cast in general [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► mmm i think i am so grateful for this [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► podcast that gives me the opportunity to [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► take this drive from where I was to [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► where i'm going to be every there's [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► something about the some of the [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► scheduling of this podcast in particular [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► somewhere halfway along the road over [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the route around i know the long drive [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► large that's right somewhere along the [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► line there i have I Drive by a methadone [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► clinic and it's a very very large its [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► industrial scale methadone clinic it's [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► been scaled up to accommodate the the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► burgeoning population of heroin junkies [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► in the northwest [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it's a very large facility and it's a [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► large facility that has not it's it's [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► appropriated an old building and it has [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► not accommodated it has made no [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► accommodation for the fact that what was [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► once probably a nut and bolt factory now [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► has 700 people in various stages of [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► recovery trying to make it in the front [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► door you know at at specific times and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► so the so you're driving along to do [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► here i am thinking about the pot I'm [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► thinking about how much I appreciate the [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► podcast I'm driving into the podcast and [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► then there's a tourney bend in the road [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden it's like [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► you've come upon the scene of the [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► defense of the Polish post office in [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► Danzig like people are scrambling across [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the street cars are parked that you know [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► at like seven different diagonal angles [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► to one another cars are up on the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► sidewalk people are pushing themselves [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► but people are pushing their friend [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► across the street in a shopping cart [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► their fireworks going off and it's just [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► like whoa you and everybody has to break [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► that you know the trucks are all like [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► we're end and none of the people who are [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► on their way to or from the methadone [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► clinic ever look either way are they are [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► unconscious of there being traffic [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► there's no this is a thing about I don't [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► know how was your experience of heroin [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► junkies is but they supply little they [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► do not practice the principle of keep [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► moving and get out of the way it's a [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► shame the ones that keep the ones that [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► are moving are not getting out of the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► way and the ones that are maybe a little [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► bit out of the way are not moving [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► okay so everything is you know i have i [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► have not an inconsiderable amount of [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► experience dealing with this crowd is it [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► like driving through a school zone you [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► gotta be extra careful i'm guessing the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► things kids have been taught to look for [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► for look both ways right right where s [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► whereas junkies have forgotten [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► everything they learned this child so [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► yeah you have to be mean to really make [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► sure that you don't get into a calamity [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► you have to slow 23 miles an hour and it [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and it throw it throws me out of my [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► reverie which is not you know again us [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► get that my problems are small beans [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► compared to the desire of someone who is [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► on a heroine product to not feel like [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► spiders are crawling underneath their [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► skin [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► those at that's you know that's a [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► different different degree of problems [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► but it does often it does happen then [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► send me into the last 10 minutes of my [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► drive in a different thinking about [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► different things [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► uh-huh not thinking about not just blank [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► not tabula rasa but fabula Blanco Bobby [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► fabulous negros wow are you a top you [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like gray their second tubular webbing [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► yeah there's it's a tabula but it's [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► covered with scribbles now that you're [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► no alternate route know there are [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► there's no alternate route one of the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► great things about Seattle is that it [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► was built premise on the idea that there [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► should be as few alternate routes as [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► that's forward-thinking because we have [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► a lot of waterways bridges tunnels [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► not surprisingly few tunnels actually [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► but yeah everything you know everything [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► has to get around something else and it [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► all has to just funnel down to the one [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► road though if you live one place you [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► know you know your Road your one Road a [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► September first 1939 they personnel from [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► the post office they defended the post [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► office against the salts from the Nazis [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► well from the you know the SS in [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► particular for 15 hours [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► hmm that's amazing and they were all [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► executed the Vic the thing about Danzig [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► of course free city but lot of Germans [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► mhm and polish the Polish post office in [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► dancing was not was you know it was like [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► am like an embassy it was like a okay [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► she's your papers worked on stuff [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► well and it was considered like part of [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► it was considered like a sovereign part [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► of Poland almost like an embassy the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► exactly but apart but also post office [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► you know people used to post office used [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► to really matter was like you go for [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► surgery at your barber right yeah [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► you go to the post office for all of [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► your nose at post offices or is it posts [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► office post office [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► um that's a really good question [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► attorneys [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► girl my I don't know I died since i'm [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► just on this one page advance these [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► talking danskin was dancing [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► yeah uh well it was dead dancing is the [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► german name gdansk is the Polish name [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► they have a lot of diet criticals and in [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► polished on happy to hear that whoohoo [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► load lots which I know of [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► unfortunately a lot of ghetto it's a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► four-letter word that has three [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► different criticals in it [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► yeah the checks do that to their throne [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► by critical that your right and left and [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► you're like Jesus Christ man just decide [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► how to pronounce the letter C like it's [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► or or or make some more letters or [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► something like a letter c letter c is is [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► it's just it's an innocent character why [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► must you wait and we're asking a letter [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► C to do a lot of heavy lifting already [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► yes sometimes it's a see sometimes it's [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► a que sometimes it's got a city yeah [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► yep sometimes it's a church sometimes [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► it's a a suitor [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► ok it's so there's a lot going on but [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► yeah they so they are so they they [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► barricaded themselves in the post office [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► and they fought fought the Germans for a [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► long time but then this was the best [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► with the bummer of it [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► the Germans decided that they were not [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► what was it they were they weren't legal [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► day they were declared in court martial [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► this is on wikipedia has to be a write [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► the sentence to death by general [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► court-martial as clinically illegal [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► combatants that that's it i'm not little [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► over a little over a month later because [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► they were not they were this is this is [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► how we keep all these people in in [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► Guantanamo we decide that they are [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► illegal that it's there they did not [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► have a legal right to fight us if they [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► were legally authorized to fight us that [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► would be complicated if they were [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► wearing a uniform and it had a button on [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it that had a that have the name of a [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► country then their legal and then you [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► can't just put them in a shipping [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► container and leave them in the hot Sun [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► for a year you have to have to do you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► have to deal with meds like a like a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► representative of the of their state but [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► he got almost almost like a person [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► yeah right you don't have to do that if [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► they're illegal then you can treat them [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► just like a warthog that you found in [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► the fourth it's a lot less paperwork [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► as a frequent fewer of wikipedia pages [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► on battles you will know that one of the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► features of a Wikipedia page this is [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► easily the most fascinating part of this [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► page over on the right trail where they [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► give the details of the battle you get [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► the belligerence the commander's [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► casualties and losses and then in so you [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► got a column for one side column for the [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► other was on the one side you got poland [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the subject Nazi Germany and then [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► under-strength you have a description of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► who participated in the battle [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► oh this is amazing no not see it on the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► Nazi side you had more than 200 SS and [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► sa you had the the people in black [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► uniforms people in the Brownshirts 200s [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► NSA soldiers policemen paramilitaries [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► and regulars + 3 + 80 Jeezy armored cars [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► you know what they have on the other [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► side 55 postman and civilians and one [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► railway man man and cream dumb like so [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► they were the instrument that the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► postman's rule i cannot believe this [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the the Nazis had 10 kill 25 wounded and [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► then out of there 200 people and depth [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► on the inside of the post office yet six [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► killed or two after surrendering 14 [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► wounded and then 38 executed in [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► captivity talk about it talk about being [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► a sore loser [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► that's pretty shitty right 38 executed [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► in Captain a lot that's not hard to do [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► they're in captivity that doesn't count [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► you know the funny thing about the polls [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► in world war two is a lot of them got [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► executed both by the Nazis and the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► Soviets they were just getting executed [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► right and left because people were [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► people on both sides they were afraid of [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► the of the glow of the the valiance [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► polls they were valued have I mean that [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► didn't the polls have ate like a [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► famously rich history of like I don't [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► know dignified military service didn't [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► have a pretty badass army given the size [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► yeah there was that there was a not only [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► one huge army but like very committed [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► people and they were part of that [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► pression idea of like the the officer [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► class was derived from the first [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► families of the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► of the of the region right now Jacob [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► scraps i mean this isn't considered a [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► very honorable way to live and die for [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► your country [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► yeah and it wasn't a meritocracy nessa [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► it it in principle right it was that the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► idea was that the the the gentry the the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► the rich families and the the royal [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► families also produced the best military [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► minds like it was I mean it's that's the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► that's the way people used to think [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► uh-huh and what's amazing is if you look [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► at the if you look at the leadership [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► like some of the best general Eiling [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► some of the best general ship [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► uh-huh of that war came from these guys [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► who whose fathers were generals their [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► grandfathers were generals the great [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► grandfather's were generals and and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► you're like wow that's I mean imagine [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► growing up in a family where it's just [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► presumed not that you're going to go [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► into the army but that you will one day [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► be a general and lead your men into [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► battle and that's your whole career is [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it began when you're 20 years old that [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► begins with this like well here's the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► next generation of our leader leadership [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► class but didn't of course preceded by [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► 20 years of this is going to be a thing [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► that you do you're watching how dad and [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► uncle uncle uncle flawed or whatever are [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► dealing with stuff this is like this is [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► that this is what we do this is what we [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► are not cobblers we're not Cooper's we [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► are not Fletcher's we are we are men who [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► lead in war right we are the bonds and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► the and the whatever else i guess the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► bonds but they uh yeah right you're [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► sitting in the front yard playing with [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► with swords made out of little sticks [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► and the staff car pulls up for the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► carriage pulls up and those are gets out [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► and you know they're marching around [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► with their big plumes in their hat lot [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► of pressure [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► it's it's a it's a big deal but you know [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► but also some really good generally came [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► out of it i mean some shitty generally [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► to let's be honest yeah I mean you know [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► she's gonna always going to get mixed [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► bag [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► wow what a horrible war Oh rule but [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► anyway so back to also you're driving [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► into the podcast back to the methadone [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► and just for what I don't want to let [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► this pass like they're having [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► 2.7 I'm also extremely grateful for the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► podcast that will not be interesting to [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► our listeners but i wanted to [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► reciprocate that I look for yes no it's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► very good asset is very good at but i [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► but i but I'm house I go past that I go [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► past the methadone clinic and I'm and [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► I'm thinking you know what's my what's [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► my what's my take here at I don't [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► this happens every time so I've never [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► mentioned it before because I didn't [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► want to be I didn't want to sit and talk [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► about the methadone clinic but it but [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► because there are a lot of you know [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► there's a lot going on there there's a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► lot going on there for me there's a lot [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► going on there for all of them and I but [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► has it is it struck me repeatedly that [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► we're doing it wrong somehow and I don't [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► know I've been been been churning on it [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► I don't know how to do it better but it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► seems like our current approach and by [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► current I mean for the last 30 years [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► approach to I don't even know if I [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► wanted to hang on cuz I i I've been [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► waiting because i wanted to jump in and [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► ask questions about this if i may [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► because I'm interested in this too i [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► don't know i mean i'm trying not to [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► become a one-issue person about this [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► about the utter desolation the utter [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► just crumbling of the city in which I [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► live because it's bad it's bad and I [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► I've had a little miniature rant about [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► this on the program within a few weeks [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it is really awful what's happening here [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► and I mean for example just as recently [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► as sunday on daddy daughter day as is [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► often the case my daughter and I go [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► downtown to have lunch and watching a [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► movie and you know by a book and stuff [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► like that by a thermos you know daddy [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► daughter stuff [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► sure oh my god did you guys recently by [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► a thermos oh yeah we buy three thermoses [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► what we need my second tell you what [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that will tell you right now with [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► thermistor by see I don't want to take [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► you off of your story but i know i got [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► stake in the ground here I'm good well [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► let's pull over to the side here and [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► talk about thermistor second what to [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► give me give me your knowledge I have a [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► daughter in school is a wonderful [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► wonderful human being [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► but she's very forgetful the days of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► having a water bottle for her that she [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► takes the school are over we now have [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► approximately six water bottles of which [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► 224 may be available in the house maybe [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► at a given time I finally got smart and [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► realized we need to have a couple cheap [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► ones a couple nice ones eventually will [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► maybe find them in lost and found in the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► case of her fleece it had been on the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► playground for a week and we found my [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► wife walked past a a black fuzzy lump [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► with dirt on it and that was the the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► fleece that my daughter was pretty sure [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► she had left somewhere the missing [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► police which was so we try different [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► ones and i don't i don't have the golden [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► please basically hm armed I and so what [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► we did what I tried one I just think [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► it's on a spark plug right just gonna [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► try one out so I i look at some [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► different ones and one of my [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► frustrations my wife is not a big i sir [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► I put a lot of ice in the thermos or [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that the thing because I figure what [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► happens to things happen first of all [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► whatever is in there will tend to get [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► warm and when ice gets kind of warm it [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► changes and it turns into water so [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► there's a benefit of putting mostly a [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► ton of ice in there and some water and [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► with your average run-of-the-mill be- or [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► so you know water conveyance that will [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► turn into what is just cool water by the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► end of the day [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► cool cool water cool water give me some [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► water Mountain shot a man on the Mexican [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► border [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► eduardo de niro I and so just what I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► tried for fun because it had Batman on [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it and she wanted it was the thermos [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► brand this is not an endorsement which [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► are not endorsements [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► I speak only for myself thermos brand [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► thermos brand fun [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► taner the thermos brand fun taner is a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► is a it's room what probably about two [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► inches in diameter [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► not-not-not a wide oh that was small but [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► it but yeah but it's probably about [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► eight inches high [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► it's got a pop-top a little strong thing [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► and had made of aluminum but with [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► insulation it's related aluminum this is [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► not yours is not your father's thermos [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► by which i mean our thermos [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► this is not a world-class that literally [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► literally burly brake brakes planet rock [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► now that this is a Batman thermos fun [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► taner and you get it and the first day i [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► had i'm gonna tell you the truth I put [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► way too much ice in it i put the water [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► in I kept it miraculously end of the [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► first day of school she still has it [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► I'm unloading her backpack full of [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► garbage and take it out and guess what [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► it's still half full of ice yeah till [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► after six hours or so it's still had ice [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► in it my endorsement is for you to try [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► this thermos brand fun taner it varies [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► in price based on whether it has put my [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► little pony or Avengers or Batman or [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► what have you but this is I can see the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► thermostat and feel good about it takes [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► a beating up a little more for it but [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► it's a it's a good thermos yeah i would [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► put this in the small back [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► it's a fun taylor and i like to this is [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► a thing that we've been struggling to [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► describe our what we provide people the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► service we provide people and i would [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► like to maintain that it is that i would [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► say it like that was in front ain haha [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► ah huh containment all that really works [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► for me it's really what we're doing here [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► and yet the fun taner I mean what what [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► is the podcast if not a fun taner for [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► our in fun time you get one with the [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► r2d2 Ninja Turtles princesses [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► so yeah check that out i think it's i [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► think it's a good one but you know [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► you're going to get into this more as [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► she goes places where neither of you are [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► mhm and everything disappears it's all [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► you are not interesting this is not fun [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► this is not this is not fun tainment [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► that the reality is that everything you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► buy goes away and the child has no idea [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that that it maybe even ever existed [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► it might be lost and found you know it [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► but no it just is she will and then one [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► day she'll probably go for water bottles [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► that she found well so I i send my [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► daughter to school with the water [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► bottles that we have collected from the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► XOXO festival nice and so she she sees [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► XOXO as her that's her brand of water [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► bottle [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► did you did you have any problems with [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► leakage there were some people on the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► entitlement channel and XOXO who are [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► complaining about that the water bottles [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► were leaking and they were all leakage [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► their free water bottles were leaking [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► get into it I can keep up um I felt [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► like I feel like no that's a bet brand [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► of water containment vehicle is is solid [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► I'm not worried about it but i think the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► other thing is called clean teen is that [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the brand name don't know [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► cancel that with friends yeah you know [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► what that's one of the things that I'm [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► most ashamed of him so bad at [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► remembering brand thoughts on brands but [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► a good friend of mine a very close [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► friend of mine the other day showed up [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► with a with a new thermos and it was a [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► Stanley brand thermos [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► that's a good-ass thermostat green the [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► big green classic the big green class [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► that's that's a fantastic i got life [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► hacks on how to use one of those that is [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► a great thermos [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► yeah the thing is three feet tall it [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► looks like a it looks like a howitzer [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► shell and she plopped down in front of [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► me she was like I got this the other day [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► thought you might appreciate it and I [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► was just like trying to contain the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► covetousness I felt for this giant [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► thermos and it's just like I don't even [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► care about your thermos and she was like [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► I don't believe you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► I think that you like this thermostat [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► was like no not interested actually [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► frankly I was just gonna go drink some [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► something out of a plastic water bottle [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► don't care probably going to get about a [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► second [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► yeah she was like neener neener neener [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► and then as soon as she left the room I [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► was just all over this thermos checking [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it out with its little cup the cop you [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► know what the key is you probably know [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► see that here's the key to the green [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► Stanley classic thermos is before you [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► put your coffee in it you know to put in [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► well a lot water boiling water you put [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► in boiling water you get this is physics [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► John this is basic physics you fill that [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► thing with fucking hot water and have it [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► sit there for minutes minutes minutes [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► minutes minutes what i want what i would [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► do to turn what i would do for with the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► bed at night i would fill it with [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► boiling water and close it in the [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► morning you throw out the boiling water [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► you put in your piping hot coffee [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► you're gonna have coffee until 8pm wow [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► maybe it's a little cool but but it's [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► it's an outstanding the old-school [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► thermoses old-school technology [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► yeah well what was astonishing about it [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► i was looking at was measuring it with [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► my eyes you know and imagining how much [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► coffee you could put in this thing you [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► think I was alright well let's stick [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► wall but it's got a handle in a cup [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► yeah oh god it's so grand so I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► interrupted you no no I interrupted you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► because you and your dog [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► you're on your way downtown to have [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► father daughter day yeah daddy daughter [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► day and it was great we went we saw the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► release of iron giant with new scenes in [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► outstanding i cried and cried it was [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► great we have popcorn but you know even [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► just well I Got News new scenes and iron [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► giant like like scenes where they're on [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► the planet the French plantation or [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► something oh yeah it's like an [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► apocalypse giant they there's two new [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► things one of which you will hardly [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► notice unless you're very familiar with [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► the film and another of which depending [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► on your own theories or reckons about [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the movie and in particular about the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► origin of the giant could change a lot [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► it's pretty much exactly it clarifies [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► what's up with the giant so like a cgi [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► job and a hot walks onto the screen and [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► tells you the back story of CGI Harrison [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Ford comes out and narrates it shoots [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► him first and then explains we call him [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► skinjobs uh-huh okay well that's [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► exciting so long as they don't replace [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► this one yet [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► big screen i'ma tell you is this and [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► like a spoil it for you but so you've [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► seen this film for my favorite movies [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► you know he's a teens scrapyard he goes [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► and stays there [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► 37 minutes later he knocks on the door [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► again you know and finally the giant end [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► up spending the night sleeping outside [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► remember Bogaerts goodbye him and leaves [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► new scene all i'm going to say iron [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► giant has a dream [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► what yeah and it's broadcast on a TV [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► inside the Dean is watching [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► well we will see his dream because you [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► know he's an electronic robot sure of [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► course if you a fair if you want all [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► sports well if I tell you was in the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► dream but did it did this is the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► question we've been asking for years the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► dream of electric sheep absolutely will [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► you all we know we know he had the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► bumping his head which seem to make him [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► forget that he may actually be a gun but [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► then you remember at the end he knocks [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► out that little because they start [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► pulling guns on him and walks out that [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► little bump and get so happy chappy with [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► the gun stuff haha god what an [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► outstanding movie [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► oh my god what a good movie it was such [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► a surprise the first time I saw her I [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► was unprepared utterly unprepared for [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► how good that movie was yep yep yep [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► when and went into watching it with a [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► kind of like of candor 3-nothing three [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► syllables still make me cry [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► super man breaks my heart and I you know [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► what I bitch when i'm not actually [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► sitting in front of the movie I bitch [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► about the end because i think the ending [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► in intellectually feels tacked on in my [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► head the movie should stop at the point [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► when they're hanging out and we see the [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► Dean any other couple and they've got [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► the statue and little whore says how he [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► misses the Giant in my head that's where [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the movie should stop then of course it [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► ends not spoil it for anyone but it ends [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► with certain implications about what [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► happened to the Giant and you know what [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► every intellectual bone in my body just [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► melts when I actually see that ending [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► and eyeball and I think it's perfect [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► this isn't about that war literally war [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► with myself yeah you think about it i [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► think about it after the fact that it [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► doesn't comport with your your your [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► narrative music is swelling and the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► camera is flying through and that dumb [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► typeface HS says iceland and it's flying [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► through and then you see the face you're [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► like oh my god [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► oh you want to cry right now this [TS]

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00:27:56 ◼   ► one downtown we get off we go down and [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► like you know just getting from [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► Palestine station to the metreon it's [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► like aa first one on the trip there [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► there was a clearly what's the proper [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► term no I schizophrenic man a man who [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► got on the train and SAT right next to [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► my daughter cross-legged on the floor [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► pulling his hair and making a high [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► pitched noise when he put his fingers in [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► his ears like a guy who's obviously [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► having like a schizophrenic episode like [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that's happening like right next to my [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► kid she's super mellow about it we get [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► off we see another guy trying to break a [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► window with his elbow screaming at [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► nobody [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► we see another guy who's screening at [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► tourists at the corner of or just [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► passers-by at the corner of like mission [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► and fifth and just just screaming and as [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► we make our way past that we're about to [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► make the turn you over to target and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► there's a man is an african-american man [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► sobbing as he walks down the middle of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► Fifth Street like he's having some kind [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► of an Old Testament experience like its [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► I mean the kind of thing where like you [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you remember something like that from [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► being a kid and seeing it once and she [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► saw like four things like that in about [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► 15 minutes huh [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► and that's that's what's happening on at [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► the street level right now welcome to [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► serve the local San Francisco's very [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► fancy we got a lot of startups in a hell [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► of a place and then of course the poop [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► which is just literally everywhere so [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► much billions and billions of dollars [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► pouring into San Francisco but just [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► every you every into up it's in it's [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► being poured into buckets that just some [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► people never see and the what happens [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► when the money gets poured into those [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► buckets that they don't see has [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► invisible ramifications within weeks and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► months so now I mean let's put it all [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► just put in one statement or make [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► understand now why people are being [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► evicted and that's changed everything [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► so there's just--there's just notice is [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► going up everywhere for like yeah well [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► here's the thing i just decided to [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► triple your red so you're right [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► seventeen thousand dollars a month now [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► and that's just the thing [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► so you know three days quit that kind of [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► thing so yeah it's happening everywhere [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► I just saw a notice on a place down the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► street from where i am uh a three-day or [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► quit notice for a guy who owes [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► 343 you send you the picture 343,000 [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► dollars in background on a place [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► wow yeah so anyway that's happening [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► here's a question for you this is where [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► it gets back to the methadone see that [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► there's something I've been thinking [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► about i think when you're a person of [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► one way to put it is like a fortunate [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► person another way to put it might be a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► privileged person how everyone think of [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► it like people who are not currently in [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► a state of dire dress or who have never [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► been faced with tiredness and duress [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► tend to think kind of digitally like you [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► think in terms of let's say haves and [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► have-nots or you think of people who are [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► upstanding citizens and junkies are you [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► thinking all these terms that are very [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► digital you think of like people who are [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► criminals or you know citizens or [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► however going to think about it and like [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► I started thinking my head the phrase [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► I'm not have never utter till this [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► moment is like the ladder of desperation [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► that there are so many as five not even [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► a ladder is probably more than one axis [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► but that's what I'm very interested in [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► methadone because most of us who are [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► whatever on the good side of that the [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► white side of all those things look down [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► and say oh here's the heroin addict that [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► we saw in our health books in eighth [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► grade we know about the heroin addict [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► with who's addicted on the heroin and [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► then over here you got the person who [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► now has written a best-selling book [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► about how they got a heroine or whatever [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► but like the methadone is super [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► interesting because it seems like that's [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► on one of the lower rungs of the ladder [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► of desperation but like what is what is [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► methadone [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► how does met the don't get introduced [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► into a person's life do they want it [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► are they glad they're having it are they [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► are they happy they're off the heroin is [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► methadone to just school me on this [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► because i have never you going to get a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► cup of her first thing the vancouver you [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► get your method down it emulate some of [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► the effects of heroin without like what [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► is the deal with methadone [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► how does it feel in the life of somebody [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► who is not currently taking heroin and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► methadone is a synthetic opioid [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and it's like so you've got your hair [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► when you're on your up and down you're [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► going to get high and then here then [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► you're getting low [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► you're not getting low and and you [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► develop a kind of tolerance for the drug [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► and you're not getting as high anymore [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► begin lower and lower and you want to [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► get off the heroin and so if you take [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► the heroine away and don't you know just [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► take it away they need then you have bad [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► withdrawals and you see it is really [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► like is it was just like trainspotting [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► like you get extremely so you see a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► robot baby walking on the ceiling you do [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► it's it's terrible and it's also [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► physical like you can I mean you can die [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► from withdrawals you can actually like [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► it could be so bad i remember when i [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► first heard i am all prime Angus a [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► little bit the first hearing like yeah [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you know you can be psychologically [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► addicted to marijuana you can be an [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► alcoholic you can get addicted to [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► cocaine but everybody says opioids and [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► heroin is very different because I'm not [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the changes your cell structure but it [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► does something physical to you where you [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► do actually need heroin in order to not [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► feel sick [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► yeah yes the truest like the truest [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► addiction and so what methadone does it [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► goes in there you take it and it goes in [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► there and it's like it's a kind of its [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► slow steady it fills the it fills the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► whole you know what Phil it fills up the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► sickness like it keeps the sickness at [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► bay but it doesn't get all the way to [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► your not all the way to euphoria it just [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► it just kind of fills in the low spots [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► and lets you get on with your get on [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► with getting on you're not you're not [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► clean by any means but you're not you're [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► not on the crazy up and down cycle and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► then the premise is that you can slowly [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► reduce the amount of methadone until you [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► office and you can you know you can [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► kinda can't slowly wean yourself off a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► heroine quite it's quite the same way [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► but with hair with methadone you put in [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► there and then you just over time start [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► less and less and less and you can just [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► sort of coast to the ground if you're [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► also practicing the the premise that [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► you're trying you know if you doing all [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the other hard work of trying to live in [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the straight world but a lot of people [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► get on methadone and they just stay on [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► for years because they never quite they [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► don't actually want to quite coast to [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► the all the way to the ground you know [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► it's a it's a it's an interim there are [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► a lot of schools of thought on this you [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► want to get off a heroine in there you [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► know there are those people that let go [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► change themselves to a bed somewhere and [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► say no matter what you hear come through [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► this door don't open it don't unlock [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► this door no matter what I say and then [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► and you know that happens to a lot of [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► people that get sent to jail right they [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► they come down the hard way and then [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► there's this other way which is like [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► under the supervision of a clinic you [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► kind of get the you get the the sink the [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► slow coast but you have to be doing for [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► to work you have to be doing all this [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► other work you can't just go and get [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► your and I've known a lot of people who [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► go and get it must be behavioral and [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like just to hang with like there must [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► be so many changes beyond just feeling [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► of self sounds you're saying method down [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► it fills up or ameliorate the the the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► extreme physical problems that not had [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► taking heroin but it also it gives you [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► take the edge off a little bit not as [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► much as obviously getting the heroin but [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► it's it's not fun but it'sit's something [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► yeah i mean you know i think it's not i [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► think it's not like super fun fun but [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► it's but it's not you know you're not [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► like getting the getting the mega mega [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► fly who but but you don't but you can [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► just sit in and take your methadone and [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► and still like [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► and still be living the life you know [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► what I mean like maybe you're not maybe [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► you're not shooting up but you are just [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► you're you're you're also not on the [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► straight and narrow and you know what [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► so what I when I started thinking about [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► is like why what is it about us where we [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► want people to be on the straight and [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► narrow [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► what is it about what is it about us as [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► a collective as a people that we as you [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► say approach it with from such a digital [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► binary idea right like the amount of [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► money we poor and not just money but [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► effort emotional effort like energy [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► focus that we pour into the notion that [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► um that we want people to get clean and [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► in the meantime if they're not clean [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► we're not going to provide any services [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► to them [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► we're going to exclude them from the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► from life we're going to push them onto [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► the street [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► we're going to record you know we're [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► going to insist that that they be kept [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► out such that they become criminal [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► they're forced to rob to support their [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► habits their living in squalor they're [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► spreading disease and uh among [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► themselves you know we absolutely [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► exclude them if they are getting high [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► and this isn't addressing the mental [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► health problem which is which we [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► approach in a similar vein yet [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► absolutely where it's just like you are [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► not taking your medication you are not [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► you know undergoing treatment therefore [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you are absolutely excluded and then we [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► we seem to be content we tisk tisk right [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► but we are content to see people living [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► it absolutely torturous lives in squalor [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► and and you just [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► cover I mean you see people every once [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► in a while we just covered with sores [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah we get that a lot here when [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► the man math is math is pretty rough on [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► a body all there's there the meth sores [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► but there are the sores of like of [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► complete hygiene failure right you know [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► where you are where you're scratching [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► yourself and then you get to get sores [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► and and you know your you just are like [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► it's almost medieval looking somebody [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► walking through the center of of a [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► wealthy prosperous city and you just [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► have this person that seems like they're [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► gonna like a leper [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► yeah they're from a plague-ridden a time [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► and it's all it all kind of comes back [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► to the idea that we have as a like [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► culturally which feels to me like a very [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► Calvinist premise or a boar or Catholic [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► one even yeah that's what I was gonna [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► say yeah yeah you are you are out [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► you do not accept our are with you or [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► not you know he's done except the you're [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► not saved and so therefore you are [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you're out and I think about like we [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► have all this new energy which is which [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► I think of his 20th century energy which [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► is all these people who have decided [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► that they are agnostics or atheists they [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► are living in a world unburdened by by [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► mythology and by the sort of what they [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► imagine is this you know this link [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► prehistoric dumbness like they finally [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► they've read Nietzsche and they have a [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► they've been to college they've worked [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► at a software place for a while and they [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► are above all this and they can see with [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► clarity but we're still none of us [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► saying can we eliminate this [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► this is binary notion that you either [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► that successful people deserve their [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► success because they worked hard and the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► ones that don't work hard deserve their [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► squalor or successful people deserve [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► their success because of whatever other [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► conditions you put on it but there are [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► all these people that just like if they [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► don't if they can't if they can't get up [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► in the morning and and make it to their [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► minimum wage job then fuck them [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► it's it's it's a it's crazy and it's too [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► bad that atheism has attached itself to [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► libertarianism so closely although maybe [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► there may be there there's their clothes [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► their brethren the philosophical [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► brethren and so I guess it makes sense [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► but you would you would hope that they [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► would be a kind of compassionate version [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► of this humanistic thought that where [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► that we've spent the last hundred years [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► kind of working [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► yeah every and every off-the-shelf [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► explanation that i can come up with for [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► why we allow this to go on or why we [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► allow it to feel OK or well get this in [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► a second comes from in my head traces [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► back unintentionally unconsciously to [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► some kind of this is not a slam against [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► religion but it but it is it does go [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► back to the ideas of religious [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► fundamentalism of various sorts from [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► another time and I'm that could be [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► something from a hundred years ago that [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► could be something from hundreds of [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► years ago on the one hand there's a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► certain kind of basic tribalism where if [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► there's somebody who is the other in our [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► tribe who is not contributing I think [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► there's a very natural reaction of [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► saying that mean whether the other for a [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► reason like either they're marked or you [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► know what I mean they've received the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► mark there like they're bad news [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► they've got their left-handed or where [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► they done something to deserve this like [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► God knows why they're this way i'm not [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► saying religious people today believe [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► this i'm saying this is the result of a [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► certain kind of toxic religious [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► socio-political connection over hundreds [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► of years that word [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► not entirely comfortable admitting still [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► exists to some extent [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► um so one of those is that person is the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► way they are because reasons and that's [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► way beyond what we need to understand [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► here but obviously there's a reason why [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► that's the way it is an eye on the way [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► that I am I think that's one really [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► basic one and there's another one [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► there's a reason that's right there's a [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► reason but it's got maybe God's reason [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► and we don't always understand God's [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► reasons but these things do happen as we [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► see around us every day there's a reason [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► why everything happens the way it is [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► otherwise it wouldn't happen the way it [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► does so my my good fortune is explained [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► by the fact that god likes me and their [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► good fortune is explained by the bad [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► fortune is explained by the fact that [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► they're marked for some reason but then [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► you get into other kinds of things that [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► I think you don't have to look back more [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► than a hundred or a couple hundred years [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► to see and and one of those is that why [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► can't we why can't we have more than a [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► digital opinion about this how can we [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► let people like like continue to live [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► I think it's it there's there's [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► something like why do we have to put [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► them in jail is one like why is it that [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► we can't help these people and there's I [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► don't I can't trace it to any specific [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► religion or denomination exactly with [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► without being overly dramatic but I i [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► think there is something to saying that [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► if this person wanted to be saved they [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► know the path like they have chosen like [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► let's say they had bad fortune right now [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► maybe looked in smile on them while they [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► that ample opportunities to understand [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► how to be part of our culture and [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► because there's something a [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► fundamentally wrong with them [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► probably but B also that they were they [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► refuse to convert em they are living on [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the streets and in the condition because [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► they because they haven't converted and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► if they converted we would be able to [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► help them [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► it's just that there maybe they have [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► weak character maybe they you know [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► whatever but even if you're a slightly [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► more advanced idiot you would look at [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► that and go where there's still a reason [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► why that's the way they are and and [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► really you can come all the way up into [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► the say no to drugs era to show just the [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► fundamental misunderstandings about how [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► we treat people and we're talking about [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► here we're talking about disease from [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► poverty we're talking about class we're [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► talking about drug abuse or substance [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► abuse for large but I mean they would [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► take five shows to talk about this but [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► as part of my gut that goes you change [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► just a couple dates and nouns and titles [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► in this and it really does it sounds a [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► lot like something from the sixteen [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► hundreds that this person she cannot be [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► allowed to be part of this group because [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► because they have not converted to what [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► the group needs them to do [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► therefore they are now the other and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► they are dangerous and spending [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► resources on them would not only be a [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► waste of the resources but it would be [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► antithetical to the laws that govern how [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► we work together [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► yeah where I mean we are a we're still [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Charlemagne taking the Saxons down to [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► the river and a and cutting off their [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► heads if they don't if they don't do the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► do the one right version of of life that [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► we have that we have in mind and and and [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the this the you know secular humanism [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► has not done away with that idea so I [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► Drive past this methadone clinic and I [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► start to imagine i start to imagine a [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► world in which we say if you want to do [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► heroin that's fine and we have [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► determined through exhaustive studies [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► that the amount of money it what what [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► what masks in some what is that the [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► amount of money we spend on this whole [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► problem its disbursed among thousands of [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► sort of organizations that don't really [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► communicate with each other and we're [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► not able to say that the cost of the war [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► on drugs let's call it is not just the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► amount of money that we pay Coast Guard [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► to go out and interdict boats that are [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► coming in to the from the bahamas like [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► we can we can put a cost on the war on [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► drugs in terms of like cost a lot of [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► money for those c-130 is to be flying [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► over central america with their downward [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► looking radar [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► but but the cost of the war on drugs is [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► actually like also all of these [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► ambulances and that we are constantly [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► schlepping people back and forth from [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► emergency rooms all the all the the jail [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► time all the cops just focused on drug [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► problems all of the costs of Breaking [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► and Entering and purse snatching and you [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► know and just like you you there's no [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► way to look at what the real costs are [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► but you can do can get close if you just [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► expand your vision and say like holy [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► shit this is bleeding us in a way and [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► also not solving the problem so okay you [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► want to do heroin you're a person who's [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► like discovered heroin and it feels good [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► and that's the first problem we don't [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► like people to feel good but so here's [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► what here's what we have for you we have [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► a we have this we have a farm beautiful [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► farm big farm and it encompasses [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► hundreds of acres there are a lot we [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► built lots of buildings there and it's [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► heroin farm and you go there and you [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► year you're on heroin there and we don't [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► ask you to pay any money we don't we [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► don't require that you do anything [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► you're a living person and you can go to [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► this place and be on heroin and you know [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► there there's enough of a medical staff [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► there that we you know we don't let you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► die [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► although you know this is a kind of it's [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► a form of being away [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► you're certainly a way but the cost of [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► maintaining this for what is really a [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► pretty small proportion of people who [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► want to be on heroin [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► it's just worth it [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► it's just worth it for us that you not [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► be [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► it's where this fort worth it for us [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► that you not be causing problems in in [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► the in the town but it's also like this [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► is much easier going to be on heroin [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► anyway if you're living in a tent [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► other under the freeway or if you're [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► living in this hotel discount it's just [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► kind of like bunny Colvin's was going to [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► amsterdam in the lawyer [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► it's a little hamster Danny butBut [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► Hamsterdam you know still or about [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► selling and consuming it just kept going [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► and kept the squalor from from like [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► infecting the city that was it was more [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► of a containment unit will take it out [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► of the high-rises and moving over to [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► Hamsterdam and now you do what you want [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► in this you know on this island of lost [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► souls and you will not get arrested [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► yeah and but but also what it does is [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► you know there's a huge thing about drug [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► addicts right is that they have they're [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► not they do share a lot of [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► characteristics with one another and [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► some of those characteristics are like [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► alcoholics and drug addicts are selfish [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► people and they are there egotistical [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► people like it there's a there's a lot [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► of commonality that's why Alcoholics [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► Anonymous works is because they have [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► identified the fact that every single [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► alcoholic and drug addict feels like [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► they're special person they really all [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► do [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► I'm there's a kind of there's a there's [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► a there's a Colorado a lot of [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► commonality in the way that alcoholics [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► and drug addicts think which is what [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► makes it seem like a spiritual disease [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► and it's why we despise them so much [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► right because because very seldom does a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► person of you know of [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► true humility become a raging alcoholic [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► either the alcohol turns them into an [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► asshole or they were an asshole to begin [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► with and that's something that fit that [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► even in even in AAA meetings there's a [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► lot of debate about you know where you [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► an asshole and then you were you born an [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► asshole and then became an alcoholic [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► because that's what happens or like the [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► huge douche bags and business [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► development and it seems like i was [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► intended for the other right right [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► which game started actually gonna be a [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► first and so that's part of the reason [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► that we don't want to that we can't [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► imagine just caring for them somewhere [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► because because they infuriate us like [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► each individual alcoholic comes from a [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► family that they have infuriated to the [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► point that they've been kicked out every [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► junkie [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► is already infuriating before they [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► became a junkie but so if you if you if [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► if you built this farm and you're like [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► you want to go sit and sit on a couch [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► all day and not off [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► um you know yeah that's fine we'll have [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► TVs there three squares a day it's going [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► to cost money it costs the town money to [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► sustain you there but and it's very hard [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► for some people in the town to imagine [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► that you guys are out here eating three [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► series and an intolerable just [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► intelligent it's going to drive them to [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► absolute distraction what did you do to [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► deserve this there are people working [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► hard wish i could sit around and be [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► addicted to heroin all the sure why the [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► fuck would you know why can't I be [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► addicted to heroin and said and the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► thing is you can its open enrollment and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► and what you discover is that people [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► don't want to 99.9 percent of the people [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► do not want to be addicted to heroin [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► sitting on a cash nodding off they just [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► don't if you said it's free and you can [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► most people wouldn't include you know [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► including some junkies they go out there [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► they lived for a year they'd be like wow [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► this is amazing and then they too would [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► say you take away the the you take away [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the thrill of persecution you take away [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► the from all the energy of the hunt and [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► the feeling of being hunted and that's [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the thing that we never talk about its [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► apparent it's very hard to talk about [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► the feeling that that I had as an [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► alcoholic and and the thing that was [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► sort of propelling me toward a life on [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► the street which is which was a big part [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► of my early twenties like you know I was [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► dancing with the idea of being a street [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► person types i spent a lot of time sort [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► of seeking out the wisdom of the alley [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► and wondering whether or not i belong [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► and a big part of it was this idea of [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► like the truth of it the and that when [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► we talk about from a public health [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► standpoint we talk about junkies and [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► alcoholics and we think particularly [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► problematic street ones and these are [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► not this is separate from mental health [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► programs which is very difficult to do [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► but you know to have the conversation [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► you have separated [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► yeah there's a lot of overlap but a big [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► part of that big part of that overlap is [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► like you know how many of what we're at [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► what point do these ideas trend over [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► into mental illness and it isn't a clear [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► there isn't a clear line between bipolar [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► 2 and bipolar one you know there isn't a [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► clear line there's a clear the [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► schizophrenia is like okay yeah [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► hello you are having a full-on [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► schizophrenic episode but the bass [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► player of Rage Against the Machine [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► believes that we did not land on the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► moon so much that he is willing to [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► confront Buzz Aldrin in the public [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► square and yell at him about the fact [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the fact that we faked the moon landing [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► and if he believes so strongly that we [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► faked the moon landing he has to believe [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► in whole castle of prior notions about [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► what the world how the world is actually [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► transacted that we faked the moon [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► landing right then he also believes that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► we have that there's a secret great [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► government that is in thrall to who [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► knows what but is he is gets a frantic [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► he sounds like one but he's the bass [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► player of Rage Against the Machine and [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► he lives in a house and he has money and [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► you know like where-- where is the line [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► between him and a guy who's standing on [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► the street corner pulling his hair [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► saying then we break the mold landing [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► right so but but [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► so the idea of like and and junkies [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► aside like we've still we have one here [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► in Seattle a housing complex for chronic [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► alcoholics where they are allowed to [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► drink [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► and we and we finally built it because [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► it was just like these guys we they're [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► released from the emergency room they go [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► immediately to the first package store [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► and bottle up by a bottle of md 2020 and [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► there then they're passed out again in a [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► dumpster in the back in the emergency [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► room 24 hours [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► yeah let's just put them let's just put [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► them all in a building we did and it's [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► been an amazing success but there's a [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► waiting list thousand years for this [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► thing so what do you do if you just what [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► happens if you build a really nice for [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► you take over some old Catholic retreat [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► or some old high school somewhere and [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► you just say this is going to be a place [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► where people can just go [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the downstairs is going to be a bier [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► stube and it's and it's not going to be [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► squalid we're going to clean it up we're [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► gonna have TVs that are playing sports [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► ball and you can come and there's just [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► beer there's just free beer beer is [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► cheap to make and there's lots and lots [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► of shitty beer that beer companies would [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► donate and just remove the and again all [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► the outcry all I'd like to just sit [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► around all day and drink beer will find [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► here it is [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► you know like go for it you have a you [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► have a sort of monastic sell you don't [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► have a lot of form to go to the soup [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► kitchen [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► it's just that you would probably prefer [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► to go somewhere else yeah right and you [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► would prefer ultimately not to live in a [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► universe very small room with a bathroom [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► down the hall and just getting our drink [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► assumptions behind stuff that we rarely [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► prod at 22 much so and I mean that I [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► guess the closest thing I think I'm [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► afraid like you know sunk cost fallacy [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► you know it would be a dishonor to all [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► the people who died in iraq and [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► afghanistan to get out of Iraq and [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► Afghanistan haha right you know [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah it was it would dishonor [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► them so much all the people all the [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► people who died in this in this in this [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► horrible war we have to show them honor [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► by having more people die in this [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► horrible war and this also you know [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► there's a less emotional versions of [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► this with things like you know there's [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► this car that I probably should have [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► sold five years ago and now I have to [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► decide whether to put a new timing belt [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► well you know I just got the air [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► conditioning fixed a couple months ago I [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► should probably get the timing belt [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► fixed on the one hand that makes a lot [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► of sense on the other hand that's really [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► not race [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► possible so you know if you go in you go [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► like look at I mean it's in this really [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► is kind of like the wire writ large in a [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► lot of ways my studies that phrase writ [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► large now but but you know you think [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► about everything we poured into this and [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► what the stakes are too it not going [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► well the last thing in the world you're [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► going to do is have a beer stoop in with [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► with donated beer for for people who [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► don't quote unquote deserve it because [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► like we have a lot invested there's a [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► lot of a lot of our own history and [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► dignity invested in this idea of this [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► thing being a terrible thing all of [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► those planes that were using and all of [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► those those resources are being used to [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► fight this war without asking the really [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► dumb John Rother a question of like well [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► you know what if what if this work [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► what if we hadn't made this into a [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► criminal enterprise we look at that as a [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► criminal enterprise now but why was [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► heroin illegal because we don't like [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► chinese people that's why heroines [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► illegal right let's let's go way back to [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► work why a whole bunch of stuff is [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► illegal because white guys didn't like [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► the people who are doing it and then now [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► today now well how are we doing with [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► that so you know but then there's the [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► one phase which is like how do you talk [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► people out of the criminality of all [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► this stuff and saying like well maybe [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► there should be a crime but the other [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► the other shoe that goes with that other [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► foot isn't what we then how do we treat [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► these people as human beings if we [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► decided they're not actually criminals [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► both of which require a lot of walking [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► back on previous philosophies and a lot [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► of essentially eating crow about [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► something that used to have a real [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► strong feeling about the night there's [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► not that many people in position of [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► power who want to be the one to put up [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► the bierstube right right well like for [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► instance we have made we have made pot [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► legal here now you can go into a pot [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► store show your ID that you are 18 i [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► guess or 21 I don't know what the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► I've never been into one of these things [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► i would go to fucking gross a spot store [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► but if you want to [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► but if you want to [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you can go in and and they're not gross [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► they're clean and and they're beautiful [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► and the amount the number of pots they [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► have exceeds the number of pops that you [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► could imagine and because pot technology [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► has you know has had all these years 40 [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► years of people crossbreeding pots there [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► are now I think the general level of [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► stoney stoney pneus in the pots is like [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► Ludacris right i mean what even when I [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► was in high school and college they were [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► still you can buy shake right you can [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► sit around roll a joint out of some [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► shake smoke pot all afternoon and get a [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► kind of hazy cool buzz where you could [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► you know a trick in light beer [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► I mean it's not it's a pivoting light [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► beer and like you know shotgunning [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► everclear yeah but even more i know i [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► mean though the idea of the [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► quote-unquote one hit shit when I was in [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► college vs now I can't even imagine the [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► parents know I look at people who are [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► baked now and I go I know how baked you [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► are and I've been that baked but i'm not [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► even sure i have right like I he [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► wouldn't remember it back in back 20 [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► years ago when I quit smoking pot I had [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► smoked all the crazy University of [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► Washington you know let laboratory pot I [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► had smoked the mountains and perfect i [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► had smoked the top shelf shit in [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► Amsterdam all the you know the northern [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► lights and all the like I had sought out [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► and found the gnarliest shit including [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► some black cash that I smoked in a in [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► tarifa spain which literally made me [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► feel like I was levitating above my own [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► body in a hotel room in tarifa by I had [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► this you know like this experience where [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► I could not believe it i was speaking to [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► mother Mary and she was speaking back to [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► me and I was floating above my body and [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► laughing with joy [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► but i don't i think you could probably [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► get that high off a pot that you buy [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► interest in just a store now I think [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► it's the it is to chronic it has become [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► insane and they need to scale it back [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► they need to breed some pot 44 olds they [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► need to breathe some pot for chill [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► people who just want to smoke some weed [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► like 32 pot some 32 pot exactly but in [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► any case so we have these parts stores [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► but we have very very we have a lot of [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► rules about them and one of the crucial [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► rules is no smoking pot at the pot store [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► it's not a pot cafe it's a pot story by [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► the pot it's a package store then you [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► take the pot away and we used to have [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► liquor stores in Washington which were [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► not bars obviously buy liquor in this [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► grocery store you can't drink it there [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► but there are also bars where you buy [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► liquor and you drink them [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► uh-huh you drink the liquors because you [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► want to do that with other people you [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► don't want to just take your your bottle [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► back to your SRO it's your harmful right [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► right but we don't because first of all [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► we've made it illegal to smoke in public [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► and pot is illegal is split smoke like [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► tobacco but I swear to you [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► ninety percent of the people who are [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► buying pot want to open it right there [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► sit down at a at a picnic table in a [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► kind of dark place order coffee roll a [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► joint smoke it and watch the music video [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► for division bell live [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► Pink Floyd mega lightshow guitar solo [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► wake fest they want to just watch that [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► and trip out but not at home they want [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► to be sitting at a table having a copy [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► and somebody comes over like a man we [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► smoking [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► you're like a good sum sum of this book [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► in maui wowie man what do you got [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► ooh you know did they just want to be [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► around people but that's illegal you [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► cannot chill [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► basically we have made it so you can [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► chill [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► and why I mean I understand from a [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► public health standpoint you know [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► because the people that are serving [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► coffee in this place would be exposed to [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► secondhand smoke and that violates all [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► of these municipal codes that we've [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► established which I agree with right I'd [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► when they took cigarettes out of rock [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► clubs it improved my life a thousand [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► percent as a performing artist right you [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► stand up on the stage and people aren't [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► blowing Winston's in your face and [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► you're like fuck this is amazing why did [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► we do this a thousand years ago but in [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► the in that process we also made it [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► illegal for people to go to have a bar [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► that's like called smoking bar where [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► everybody in there just wants to smoke [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► the bartender wants to smoke you know [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► but that we we've eliminated that from [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► contention you cannot choose to do that [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► now you guys think you can study that [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► San Francisco if its owner operated oh [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► yes yes smoking the smoking is actually [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► an employment health lock interesting so [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► you can choose i don't know it's still [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► the case but in there couple bars [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► there's a place called Amber in the [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► castro really fun bar there was a [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► smoking place and then not the chieftain [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► but what the other places but no that's [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► still pretty rare [TS]