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0:00:39Lula you know probably podcast people
0:00:52talk too much boy and this podcast in
0:00:56particular
0:00:57well you know if people just pause pause
0:01:01just thinking reflect you've been on
0:01:04you've been on a lot of podcasts where
0:01:07I'm guessing there some long pauses yeah
0:01:11that it almost never happens on this one
0:01:15mhm now we don't we don't suffer from
0:01:18silence but now it's good it's good it's
0:01:22nice to just take a momentum
0:01:31it makes people uncomfortable
0:01:34I think so yeah i mean i like i like to
0:01:38reflect in these moments on how much
0:01:41this podcast means to me take a minute
0:01:45you know I took I as i was driving in my
0:01:49drive into into this podcast in
0:01:52particular it's different than other
0:01:53drives you dropped your drive into this
0:01:57podcast as I'm driving into this podcast
0:02:00i am reflecting are you really thinking
0:02:02about the podcast before you're on it
0:02:04no no not the podcast in particular but
0:02:06the hot cast in general
0:02:07mmm i think i am so grateful for this
0:02:10podcast that gives me the opportunity to
0:02:12take this drive from where I was to
0:02:15where i'm going to be every there's
0:02:20something about the some of the
0:02:22scheduling of this podcast in particular
0:02:24somewhere halfway along the road over
0:02:27the route around i know the long drive
0:02:30large that's right somewhere along the
0:02:32line there i have I Drive by a methadone
0:02:36clinic and it's a very very large its
0:02:40industrial scale methadone clinic it's
0:02:43been scaled up to accommodate the the
0:02:47burgeoning population of heroin junkies
0:02:51in the northwest
0:02:52it's a very large facility and it's a
0:02:55large facility that has not it's it's
0:02:57appropriated an old building and it has
0:03:00not accommodated it has made no
0:03:02accommodation for the fact that what was
0:03:04once probably a nut and bolt factory now
0:03:10has 700 people in various stages of
0:03:15recovery trying to make it in the front
0:03:18door you know at at specific times and
0:03:23so the so you're driving along to do
0:03:27here i am thinking about the pot I'm
0:03:29thinking about how much I appreciate the
0:03:30podcast I'm driving into the podcast and
0:03:34then there's a tourney bend in the road
0:03:36and then all of a sudden it's like
0:03:41you've come upon the scene of the
0:03:46defense of the Polish post office in
0:03:49Danzig like people are scrambling across
0:03:55the street cars are parked that you know
0:03:58at like seven different diagonal angles
0:04:02to one another cars are up on the
0:04:03sidewalk people are pushing themselves
0:04:06but people are pushing their friend
0:04:08across the street in a shopping cart
0:04:09their fireworks going off and it's just
0:04:13like whoa you and everybody has to break
0:04:17that you know the trucks are all like
0:04:18we're end and none of the people who are
0:04:21on their way to or from the methadone
0:04:23clinic ever look either way are they are
0:04:26unconscious of there being traffic
0:04:28there's no this is a thing about I don't
0:04:33know how was your experience of heroin
0:04:35junkies is but they supply little they
0:04:37do not practice the principle of keep
0:04:40moving and get out of the way it's a
0:04:41shame the ones that keep the ones that
0:04:44are moving are not getting out of the
0:04:46way and the ones that are maybe a little
0:04:49bit out of the way are not moving
0:04:51okay so everything is you know i have i
0:04:57have not an inconsiderable amount of
0:04:58experience dealing with this crowd is it
0:05:01like driving through a school zone you
0:05:03gotta be extra careful i'm guessing the
0:05:05things kids have been taught to look for
0:05:07for look both ways right right where s
0:05:10whereas junkies have forgotten
0:05:13everything they learned this child so
0:05:16yeah you have to be mean to really make
0:05:19sure that you don't get into a calamity
0:05:22you have to slow 23 miles an hour and it
0:05:26and it throw it throws me out of my
0:05:27reverie which is not you know again us
0:05:30get that my problems are small beans
0:05:33compared to the desire of someone who is
0:05:37on a heroine product to not feel like
0:05:41spiders are crawling underneath their
0:05:43skin
0:05:44those at that's you know that's a
0:05:46different different degree of problems
0:05:48but it does often it does happen then
0:05:51send me into the last 10 minutes of my
0:05:53drive in a different thinking about
0:05:56different things
0:05:57uh-huh not thinking about not just blank
0:06:01not tabula rasa but fabula Blanco Bobby
0:06:07fabulous negros wow are you a top you
0:06:10like gray their second tubular webbing
0:06:13yeah there's it's a tabula but it's
0:06:16covered with scribbles now that you're
0:06:20no alternate route know there are
0:06:23there's no alternate route one of the
0:06:25great things about Seattle is that it
0:06:26was built premise on the idea that there
0:06:29should be as few alternate routes as
0:06:31possible
0:06:32that's forward-thinking because we have
0:06:35a lot of waterways bridges tunnels
0:06:40not surprisingly few tunnels actually
0:06:42but yeah everything you know everything
0:06:44has to get around something else and it
0:06:47all has to just funnel down to the one
0:06:50road though if you live one place you
0:06:53know you know your Road your one Road a
0:06:56September first 1939 they personnel from
0:07:01the post office they defended the post
0:07:03office against the salts from the Nazis
0:07:05well from the you know the SS in
0:07:07particular for 15 hours
0:07:09hmm that's amazing and they were all
0:07:12executed the Vic the thing about Danzig
0:07:14of course free city but lot of Germans
0:07:17there
0:07:18mhm and polish the Polish post office in
0:07:21dancing was not was you know it was like
0:07:23am like an embassy it was like a okay
0:07:28she's your papers worked on stuff
0:07:30well and it was considered like part of
0:07:32it was considered like a sovereign part
0:07:35of Poland almost like an embassy the
0:07:38exactly but apart but also post office
0:07:41you know people used to post office used
0:07:43to really matter was like you go for
0:07:45surgery at your barber right yeah
0:07:47exactly
0:07:48you go to the post office for all of
0:07:50your nose at post offices or is it posts
0:07:53office post office
0:07:55um that's a really good question
0:07:57attorneys
0:07:58girl my I don't know I died since i'm
0:08:01just on this one page advance these
0:08:02talking danskin was dancing
0:08:04yeah uh well it was dead dancing is the
0:08:09german name gdansk is the Polish name
0:08:12they have a lot of diet criticals and in
0:08:14polished on happy to hear that whoohoo
0:08:17load lots which I know of
0:08:19unfortunately a lot of ghetto it's a
0:08:21four-letter word that has three
0:08:22different criticals in it
0:08:24yeah the checks do that to their throne
0:08:26by critical that your right and left and
0:08:28you're like Jesus Christ man just decide
0:08:31how to pronounce the letter C like it's
0:08:34or or or make some more letters or
0:08:35something like a letter c letter c is is
0:08:38it's just it's an innocent character why
0:08:41must you wait and we're asking a letter
0:08:43C to do a lot of heavy lifting already
0:08:46yes sometimes it's a see sometimes it's
0:08:48a que sometimes it's got a city yeah
0:08:50yep sometimes it's a church sometimes
0:08:52it's a a suitor
0:08:55ok it's so there's a lot going on but
0:08:58yeah they so they are so they they
0:08:59barricaded themselves in the post office
0:09:01and they fought fought the Germans for a
0:09:05long time but then this was the best
0:09:06with the bummer of it
0:09:08the Germans decided that they were not
0:09:11what was it they were they weren't legal
0:09:14day they were declared in court martial
0:09:16this is on wikipedia has to be a write
0:09:18the sentence to death by general
0:09:21court-martial as clinically illegal
0:09:22combatants that that's it i'm not little
0:09:25over a little over a month later because
0:09:28they were not they were this is this is
0:09:30how we keep all these people in in
0:09:33Guantanamo we decide that they are
0:09:36illegal that it's there they did not
0:09:38have a legal right to fight us if they
0:09:39were legally authorized to fight us that
0:09:42would be complicated if they were
0:09:43wearing a uniform and it had a button on
0:09:45it that had a that have the name of a
0:09:47country then their legal and then you
0:09:50can't just put them in a shipping
0:09:52container and leave them in the hot Sun
0:09:54for a year you have to have to do you
0:09:57have to deal with meds like a like a
0:09:59representative of the of their state but
0:10:01he got almost almost like a person
0:10:03yeah right you don't have to do that if
0:10:06they're illegal then you can treat them
0:10:07just like a warthog that you found in
0:10:09the fourth it's a lot less paperwork
0:10:11as a frequent fewer of wikipedia pages
0:10:13on battles you will know that one of the
0:10:15features of a Wikipedia page this is
0:10:17easily the most fascinating part of this
0:10:19page over on the right trail where they
0:10:20give the details of the battle you get
0:10:22the belligerence the commander's
0:10:23casualties and losses and then in so you
0:10:25got a column for one side column for the
0:10:27other was on the one side you got poland
0:10:28the subject Nazi Germany and then
0:10:31under-strength you have a description of
0:10:33who participated in the battle
0:10:35oh this is amazing no not see it on the
0:10:37Nazi side you had more than 200 SS and
0:10:40sa you had the the people in black
0:10:42uniforms people in the Brownshirts 200s
0:10:45NSA soldiers policemen paramilitaries
0:10:48and regulars + 3 + 80 Jeezy armored cars
0:10:52you know what they have on the other
0:10:53side 55 postman and civilians and one
0:10:56railway man man and cream dumb like so
0:11:04they were the instrument that the
0:11:05postman's rule i cannot believe this
0:11:08the the Nazis had 10 kill 25 wounded and
0:11:13then out of there 200 people and depth
0:11:16on the inside of the post office yet six
0:11:17killed or two after surrendering 14
0:11:20wounded and then 38 executed in
0:11:22captivity talk about it talk about being
0:11:24a sore loser
0:11:25that's pretty shitty right 38 executed
0:11:28in Captain a lot that's not hard to do
0:11:31they're in captivity that doesn't count
0:11:33you know the funny thing about the polls
0:11:35in world war two is a lot of them got
0:11:38executed both by the Nazis and the
0:11:40Soviets they were just getting executed
0:11:42right and left because people were
0:11:45people on both sides they were afraid of
0:11:48the of the glow of the the valiance
0:11:51polls they were valued have I mean that
0:11:54didn't the polls have ate like a
0:11:57famously rich history of like I don't
0:12:00know dignified military service didn't
0:12:02have a pretty badass army given the size
0:12:04of it
0:12:04yeah there was that there was a not only
0:12:06one huge army but like very committed
0:12:08people and they were part of that
0:12:09pression idea of like the the officer
0:12:15class was derived from the first
0:12:17families of the
0:12:19of the of the region right now Jacob
0:12:21scraps i mean this isn't considered a
0:12:23very honorable way to live and die for
0:12:24your country
0:12:25yeah and it wasn't a meritocracy nessa
0:12:27it it in principle right it was that the
0:12:30idea was that the the the gentry the the
0:12:36the rich families and the the royal
0:12:37families also produced the best military
0:12:40minds like it was I mean it's that's the
0:12:44that's the way people used to think
0:12:46uh-huh and what's amazing is if you look
0:12:48at the if you look at the leadership
0:12:51like some of the best general Eiling
0:12:54some of the best general ship
0:12:57uh-huh of that war came from these guys
0:13:00who whose fathers were generals their
0:13:03grandfathers were generals the great
0:13:05grandfather's were generals and and
0:13:09you're like wow that's I mean imagine
0:13:11growing up in a family where it's just
0:13:13presumed not that you're going to go
0:13:15into the army but that you will one day
0:13:16be a general and lead your men into
0:13:18battle and that's your whole career is
0:13:21it began when you're 20 years old that
0:13:23begins with this like well here's the
0:13:25next generation of our leader leadership
0:13:28class but didn't of course preceded by
0:13:3020 years of this is going to be a thing
0:13:32that you do you're watching how dad and
0:13:34uncle uncle uncle flawed or whatever are
0:13:38dealing with stuff this is like this is
0:13:39that this is what we do this is what we
0:13:41are not cobblers we're not Cooper's we
0:13:43are not Fletcher's we are we are men who
0:13:45lead in war right we are the bonds and
0:13:48the and the whatever else i guess the
0:13:52bonds but they uh yeah right you're
0:13:56sitting in the front yard playing with
0:13:58with swords made out of little sticks
0:14:00and the staff car pulls up for the
0:14:02carriage pulls up and those are gets out
0:14:04and you know they're marching around
0:14:06with their big plumes in their hat lot
0:14:09of pressure
0:14:10it's it's a it's a big deal but you know
0:14:12but also some really good generally came
0:14:15out of it i mean some shitty generally
0:14:17to let's be honest yeah I mean you know
0:14:19she's gonna always going to get mixed
0:14:20bag
0:14:21wow what a horrible war Oh rule but
0:14:25anyway so back to also you're driving
0:14:28into the podcast back to the methadone
0:14:30and just for what I don't want to let
0:14:31this pass like they're having
0:14:322.7 I'm also extremely grateful for the
0:14:35podcast that will not be interesting to
0:14:36our listeners but i wanted to
0:14:37reciprocate that I look for yes no it's
0:14:40very good asset is very good at but i
0:14:42but i but I'm house I go past that I go
0:14:46past the methadone clinic and I'm and
0:14:47I'm thinking you know what's my what's
0:14:50my what's my take here at I don't
0:14:54this happens every time so I've never
0:14:56mentioned it before because I didn't
0:14:58want to be I didn't want to sit and talk
0:15:00about the methadone clinic but it but
0:15:03because there are a lot of you know
0:15:05there's a lot going on there there's a
0:15:06lot going on there for me there's a lot
0:15:09going on there for all of them and I but
0:15:14has it is it struck me repeatedly that
0:15:18we're doing it wrong somehow and I don't
0:15:22know I've been been been churning on it
0:15:27I don't know how to do it better but it
0:15:30seems like our current approach and by
0:15:33current I mean for the last 30 years
0:15:35approach to I don't even know if I
0:15:40wanted to hang on cuz I i I've been
0:15:42waiting because i wanted to jump in and
0:15:44ask questions about this if i may
0:15:46because I'm interested in this too i
0:15:48don't know i mean i'm trying not to
0:15:51become a one-issue person about this
0:15:52about the utter desolation the utter
0:15:56just crumbling of the city in which I
0:15:58live because it's bad it's bad and I
0:16:02I've had a little miniature rant about
0:16:04this on the program within a few weeks
0:16:05ago
0:16:06it is really awful what's happening here
0:16:08and I mean for example just as recently
0:16:13as sunday on daddy daughter day as is
0:16:17often the case my daughter and I go
0:16:18downtown to have lunch and watching a
0:16:20movie and you know by a book and stuff
0:16:23like that by a thermos you know daddy
0:16:24daughter stuff
0:16:25sure oh my god did you guys recently by
0:16:27a thermos oh yeah we buy three thermoses
0:16:28what we need my second tell you what
0:16:31that will tell you right now with
0:16:32thermistor by see I don't want to take
0:16:34you off of your story but i know i got
0:16:36stake in the ground here I'm good well
0:16:37let's pull over to the side here and
0:16:39talk about thermistor second what to
0:16:41give me give me your knowledge I have a
0:16:43daughter in school is a wonderful
0:16:44wonderful human being
0:16:45but she's very forgetful the days of
0:16:47having a water bottle for her that she
0:16:49takes the school are over we now have
0:16:51approximately six water bottles of which
0:16:53224 may be available in the house maybe
0:16:56at a given time I finally got smart and
0:16:58realized we need to have a couple cheap
0:17:00ones a couple nice ones eventually will
0:17:02maybe find them in lost and found in the
0:17:04case of her fleece it had been on the
0:17:05playground for a week and we found my
0:17:08wife walked past a a black fuzzy lump
0:17:11with dirt on it and that was the the
0:17:13fleece that my daughter was pretty sure
0:17:15she had left somewhere the missing
0:17:17police which was so we try different
0:17:19ones and i don't i don't have the golden
0:17:21please basically hm armed I and so what
0:17:28we did what I tried one I just think
0:17:29it's on a spark plug right just gonna
0:17:30try one out so I i look at some
0:17:33different ones and one of my
0:17:34frustrations my wife is not a big i sir
0:17:37I put a lot of ice in the thermos or
0:17:39that the thing because I figure what
0:17:41happens to things happen first of all
0:17:43whatever is in there will tend to get
0:17:45warm and when ice gets kind of warm it
0:17:49changes and it turns into water so
0:17:51there's a benefit of putting mostly a
0:17:53ton of ice in there and some water and
0:17:55with your average run-of-the-mill be- or
0:17:57so you know water conveyance that will
0:18:00turn into what is just cool water by the
0:18:02end of the day
0:18:03cool cool water cool water give me some
0:18:06water Mountain shot a man on the Mexican
0:18:09border
0:18:10eduardo de niro I and so just what I
0:18:14tried for fun because it had Batman on
0:18:17it and she wanted it was the thermos
0:18:19brand this is not an endorsement which
0:18:21are not endorsements
0:18:22I speak only for myself thermos brand
0:18:24thermos brand fun
0:18:26taner the thermos brand fun taner is a
0:18:30is a it's room what probably about two
0:18:35inches in diameter
0:18:36not-not-not a wide oh that was small but
0:18:38it but yeah but it's probably about
0:18:40eight inches high
0:18:41it's got a pop-top a little strong thing
0:18:42and had made of aluminum but with
0:18:45insulation it's related aluminum this is
0:18:48not yours is not your father's thermos
0:18:49by which i mean our thermos
0:18:51this is not a world-class that literally
0:18:53literally burly brake brakes planet rock
0:18:55now that this is a Batman thermos fun
0:18:58taner and you get it and the first day i
0:19:00had i'm gonna tell you the truth I put
0:19:01way too much ice in it i put the water
0:19:04in I kept it miraculously end of the
0:19:06first day of school she still has it
0:19:08I'm unloading her backpack full of
0:19:09garbage and take it out and guess what
0:19:12it's still half full of ice yeah till
0:19:15after six hours or so it's still had ice
0:19:20in it my endorsement is for you to try
0:19:22this thermos brand fun taner it varies
0:19:25in price based on whether it has put my
0:19:27little pony or Avengers or Batman or
0:19:28what have you but this is I can see the
0:19:31thermostat and feel good about it takes
0:19:32a beating up a little more for it but
0:19:35it's a it's a good thermos yeah i would
0:19:37put this in the small back
0:19:39it's a fun taylor and i like to this is
0:19:42a thing that we've been struggling to
0:19:43describe our what we provide people the
0:19:46service we provide people and i would
0:19:48like to maintain that it is that i would
0:19:50say it like that was in front ain haha
0:19:53ah huh containment all that really works
0:19:57for me it's really what we're doing here
0:19:59and yet the fun taner I mean what what
0:20:02is the podcast if not a fun taner for
0:20:04our in fun time you get one with the
0:20:05r2d2 Ninja Turtles princesses
0:20:09so yeah check that out i think it's i
0:20:11think it's a good one but you know
0:20:12you're going to get into this more as
0:20:14she goes places where neither of you are
0:20:17mhm and everything disappears it's all
0:20:21you are not interesting this is not fun
0:20:23this is not this is not fun tainment
0:20:24that the reality is that everything you
0:20:26buy goes away and the child has no idea
0:20:28that that it maybe even ever existed
0:20:31it might be lost and found you know it
0:20:33but no it just is she will and then one
0:20:36day she'll probably go for water bottles
0:20:38that she found well so I i send my
0:20:41daughter to school with the water
0:20:42bottles that we have collected from the
0:20:44XOXO festival nice and so she she sees
0:20:48XOXO as her that's her brand of water
0:20:52bottle
0:20:52did you did you have any problems with
0:20:54leakage there were some people on the
0:20:55entitlement channel and XOXO who are
0:20:57complaining about that the water bottles
0:20:59were leaking and they were all leakage
0:21:01their free water bottles were leaking
0:21:03get into it I can keep up um I felt
0:21:08like I feel like no that's a bet brand
0:21:11of water containment vehicle is is solid
0:21:15I'm not worried about it but i think the
0:21:17other thing is called clean teen is that
0:21:20the brand name don't know
0:21:22cancel that with friends yeah you know
0:21:24what that's one of the things that I'm
0:21:26most ashamed of him so bad at
0:21:27remembering brand thoughts on brands but
0:21:30a good friend of mine a very close
0:21:32friend of mine the other day showed up
0:21:33with a with a new thermos and it was a
0:21:41Stanley brand thermos
0:21:43that's a good-ass thermostat green the
0:21:45big green classic the big green class
0:21:47that's that's a fantastic i got life
0:21:49hacks on how to use one of those that is
0:21:50a great thermos
0:21:51yeah the thing is three feet tall it
0:21:53looks like a it looks like a howitzer
0:21:54shell and she plopped down in front of
0:21:57me she was like I got this the other day
0:21:59thought you might appreciate it and I
0:22:01was just like trying to contain the
0:22:04covetousness I felt for this giant
0:22:06thermos and it's just like I don't even
0:22:08care about your thermos and she was like
0:22:09I don't believe you
0:22:11I think that you like this thermostat
0:22:12was like no not interested actually
0:22:14frankly I was just gonna go drink some
0:22:16something out of a plastic water bottle
0:22:18don't care probably going to get about a
0:22:19second
0:22:20yeah she was like neener neener neener
0:22:22and then as soon as she left the room I
0:22:24was just all over this thermos checking
0:22:25it out with its little cup the cop you
0:22:28know what the key is you probably know
0:22:29see that here's the key to the green
0:22:31Stanley classic thermos is before you
0:22:34put your coffee in it you know to put in
0:22:35it
0:22:36well a lot water boiling water you put
0:22:39in boiling water you get this is physics
0:22:41John this is basic physics you fill that
0:22:43thing with fucking hot water and have it
0:22:45sit there for minutes minutes minutes
0:22:47minutes minutes what i want what i would
0:22:48do to turn what i would do for with the
0:22:50bed at night i would fill it with
0:22:51boiling water and close it in the
0:22:53morning you throw out the boiling water
0:22:54you put in your piping hot coffee
0:22:56you're gonna have coffee until 8pm wow
0:22:58maybe it's a little cool but but it's
0:23:01it's an outstanding the old-school
0:23:03thermoses old-school technology
0:23:05yeah well what was astonishing about it
0:23:07i was looking at was measuring it with
0:23:08my eyes you know and imagining how much
0:23:10coffee you could put in this thing you
0:23:13think I was alright well let's stick
0:23:15wall but it's got a handle in a cup
0:23:17yeah oh god it's so grand so I
0:23:19interrupted you no no I interrupted you
0:23:21because you and your dog
0:23:22you're on your way downtown to have
0:23:23father daughter day yeah daddy daughter
0:23:25day and it was great we went we saw the
0:23:27release of iron giant with new scenes in
0:23:30it
0:23:30outstanding i cried and cried it was
0:23:32great we have popcorn but you know even
0:23:34just well I Got News new scenes and iron
0:23:37giant like like scenes where they're on
0:23:39the planet the French plantation or
0:23:41something oh yeah it's like an
0:23:42apocalypse giant they there's two new
0:23:44things one of which you will hardly
0:23:46notice unless you're very familiar with
0:23:48the film and another of which depending
0:23:51on your own theories or reckons about
0:23:53the movie and in particular about the
0:23:55origin of the giant could change a lot
0:23:57it's pretty much exactly it clarifies
0:23:59what's up with the giant so like a cgi
0:24:03job and a hot walks onto the screen and
0:24:05tells you the back story of CGI Harrison
0:24:08Ford comes out and narrates it shoots
0:24:10him first and then explains we call him
0:24:13skinjobs uh-huh okay well that's
0:24:16exciting so long as they don't replace
0:24:18this one yet
0:24:19big screen i'ma tell you is this and
0:24:20like a spoil it for you but so you've
0:24:23seen this film for my favorite movies
0:24:25you know he's a teens scrapyard he goes
0:24:27and stays there
0:24:2837 minutes later he knocks on the door
0:24:29again you know and finally the giant end
0:24:31up spending the night sleeping outside
0:24:32remember Bogaerts goodbye him and leaves
0:24:35new scene all i'm going to say iron
0:24:39giant has a dream
0:24:41what yeah and it's broadcast on a TV
0:24:45inside the Dean is watching
0:24:47well we will see his dream because you
0:24:50know he's an electronic robot sure of
0:24:52course if you a fair if you want all
0:24:54sports well if I tell you was in the
0:24:55dream but did it did this is the
0:24:57question we've been asking for years the
0:24:59dream of electric sheep absolutely will
0:25:01you all we know we know he had the
0:25:02bumping his head which seem to make him
0:25:04forget that he may actually be a gun but
0:25:08then you remember at the end he knocks
0:25:11out that little because they start
0:25:13pulling guns on him and walks out that
0:25:15little bump and get so happy chappy with
0:25:17the gun stuff haha god what an
0:25:19outstanding movie
0:25:20oh my god what a good movie it was such
0:25:22a surprise the first time I saw her I
0:25:24was unprepared utterly unprepared for
0:25:25how good that movie was yep yep yep
0:25:27when and went into watching it with a
0:25:29kind of like of candor 3-nothing three
0:25:32syllables still make me cry
0:25:34super man breaks my heart and I you know
0:25:40what I bitch when i'm not actually
0:25:41sitting in front of the movie I bitch
0:25:43about the end because i think the ending
0:25:45in intellectually feels tacked on in my
0:25:49head the movie should stop at the point
0:25:51when they're hanging out and we see the
0:25:52Dean any other couple and they've got
0:25:55the statue and little whore says how he
0:25:58misses the Giant in my head that's where
0:26:00the movie should stop then of course it
0:26:02ends not spoil it for anyone but it ends
0:26:04with certain implications about what
0:26:06happened to the Giant and you know what
0:26:08every intellectual bone in my body just
0:26:09melts when I actually see that ending
0:26:12and eyeball and I think it's perfect
0:26:15this isn't about that war literally war
0:26:17with myself yeah you think about it i
0:26:18think about it after the fact that it
0:26:20doesn't comport with your your your
0:26:22narrative music is swelling and the
0:26:24camera is flying through and that dumb
0:26:26typeface HS says iceland and it's flying
0:26:28through and then you see the face you're
0:26:30like oh my god
0:26:32oh you want to cry right now this
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0:27:56one downtown we get off we go down and
0:27:59like you know just getting from
0:28:02Palestine station to the metreon it's
0:28:04like aa first one on the trip there
0:28:08there was a clearly what's the proper
0:28:12term no I schizophrenic man a man who
0:28:13got on the train and SAT right next to
0:28:15my daughter cross-legged on the floor
0:28:16pulling his hair and making a high
0:28:19pitched noise when he put his fingers in
0:28:20his ears like a guy who's obviously
0:28:21having like a schizophrenic episode like
0:28:23that's happening like right next to my
0:28:24kid she's super mellow about it we get
0:28:26off we see another guy trying to break a
0:28:28window with his elbow screaming at
0:28:29nobody
0:28:30we see another guy who's screening at
0:28:32tourists at the corner of or just
0:28:34passers-by at the corner of like mission
0:28:37and fifth and just just screaming and as
0:28:40we make our way past that we're about to
0:28:41make the turn you over to target and
0:28:43there's a man is an african-american man
0:28:45sobbing as he walks down the middle of
0:28:48Fifth Street like he's having some kind
0:28:50of an Old Testament experience like its
0:28:53I mean the kind of thing where like you
0:28:55you remember something like that from
0:28:56being a kid and seeing it once and she
0:28:58saw like four things like that in about
0:29:0015 minutes huh
0:29:01and that's that's what's happening on at
0:29:03the street level right now welcome to
0:29:05serve the local San Francisco's very
0:29:06fancy we got a lot of startups in a hell
0:29:09of a place and then of course the poop
0:29:10which is just literally everywhere so
0:29:12much billions and billions of dollars
0:29:14pouring into San Francisco but just
0:29:16every you every into up it's in it's
0:29:19being poured into buckets that just some
0:29:23people never see and the what happens
0:29:26when the money gets poured into those
0:29:27buckets that they don't see has
0:29:29invisible ramifications within weeks and
0:29:31months so now I mean let's put it all
0:29:35just put in one statement or make
0:29:36understand now why people are being
0:29:37evicted and that's changed everything
0:29:40so there's just--there's just notice is
0:29:42going up everywhere for like yeah well
0:29:44here's the thing i just decided to
0:29:45triple your red so you're right
0:29:46seventeen thousand dollars a month now
0:29:47and that's just the thing
0:29:49so you know three days quit that kind of
0:29:52thing so yeah it's happening everywhere
0:29:54I just saw a notice on a place down the
0:29:56street from where i am uh a three-day or
0:29:59quit notice for a guy who owes
0:30:01343 you send you the picture 343,000
0:30:05dollars in background on a place
0:30:07wow yeah so anyway that's happening
0:30:11here's a question for you this is where
0:30:13it gets back to the methadone see that
0:30:15there's something I've been thinking
0:30:16about i think when you're a person of
0:30:18one way to put it is like a fortunate
0:30:21person another way to put it might be a
0:30:23privileged person how everyone think of
0:30:24it like people who are not currently in
0:30:27a state of dire dress or who have never
0:30:29been faced with tiredness and duress
0:30:32tend to think kind of digitally like you
0:30:36think in terms of let's say haves and
0:30:37have-nots or you think of people who are
0:30:39upstanding citizens and junkies are you
0:30:41thinking all these terms that are very
0:30:42digital you think of like people who are
0:30:44criminals or you know citizens or
0:30:46however going to think about it and like
0:30:48I started thinking my head the phrase
0:30:49I'm not have never utter till this
0:30:51moment is like the ladder of desperation
0:30:53that there are so many as five not even
0:30:56a ladder is probably more than one axis
0:30:58but that's what I'm very interested in
0:31:01methadone because most of us who are
0:31:04whatever on the good side of that the
0:31:06white side of all those things look down
0:31:08and say oh here's the heroin addict that
0:31:10we saw in our health books in eighth
0:31:12grade we know about the heroin addict
0:31:14with who's addicted on the heroin and
0:31:17then over here you got the person who
0:31:18now has written a best-selling book
0:31:19about how they got a heroine or whatever
0:31:21but like the methadone is super
0:31:22interesting because it seems like that's
0:31:24on one of the lower rungs of the ladder
0:31:27of desperation but like what is what is
0:31:29methadone
0:31:30how does met the don't get introduced
0:31:31into a person's life do they want it
0:31:34are they glad they're having it are they
0:31:36are they happy they're off the heroin is
0:31:38methadone to just school me on this
0:31:40because i have never you going to get a
0:31:42cup of her first thing the vancouver you
0:31:44get your method down it emulate some of
0:31:46the effects of heroin without like what
0:31:50is the deal with methadone
0:31:51how does it feel in the life of somebody
0:31:54who is not currently taking heroin and
0:31:58methadone is a synthetic opioid
0:32:05and it's like so you've got your hair
0:32:10when you're on your up and down you're
0:32:12going to get high and then here then
0:32:17you're getting low
0:32:20you're not getting low and and you
0:32:23develop a kind of tolerance for the drug
0:32:27and you're not getting as high anymore
0:32:28begin lower and lower and you want to
0:32:34get off the heroin and so if you take
0:32:38the heroine away and don't you know just
0:32:42take it away they need then you have bad
0:32:45withdrawals and you see it is really
0:32:47like is it was just like trainspotting
0:32:48like you get extremely so you see a
0:32:50robot baby walking on the ceiling you do
0:32:54it's it's terrible and it's also
0:32:55physical like you can I mean you can die
0:32:58from withdrawals you can actually like
0:33:00it could be so bad i remember when i
0:33:02first heard i am all prime Angus a
0:33:04little bit the first hearing like yeah
0:33:06you know you can be psychologically
0:33:08addicted to marijuana you can be an
0:33:09alcoholic you can get addicted to
0:33:11cocaine but everybody says opioids and
0:33:13heroin is very different because I'm not
0:33:15the changes your cell structure but it
0:33:17does something physical to you where you
0:33:19do actually need heroin in order to not
0:33:22feel sick
0:33:23yeah yes the truest like the truest
0:33:25addiction and so what methadone does it
0:33:29goes in there you take it and it goes in
0:33:31there and it's like it's a kind of its
0:33:35slow steady it fills the it fills the
0:33:41whole you know what Phil it fills up the
0:33:45sickness like it keeps the sickness at
0:33:47bay but it doesn't get all the way to
0:33:51your not all the way to euphoria it just
0:33:54it just kind of fills in the low spots
0:33:57and lets you get on with your get on
0:34:01with getting on you're not you're not
0:34:04clean by any means but you're not you're
0:34:07not on the crazy up and down cycle and
0:34:09then the premise is that you can slowly
0:34:12reduce the amount of methadone until you
0:34:16are
0:34:17office and you can you know you can
0:34:20kinda can't slowly wean yourself off a
0:34:23heroine quite it's quite the same way
0:34:25but with hair with methadone you put in
0:34:26there and then you just over time start
0:34:29less and less and less and you can just
0:34:32sort of coast to the ground if you're
0:34:34also practicing the the premise that
0:34:37you're trying you know if you doing all
0:34:39the other hard work of trying to live in
0:34:42the straight world but a lot of people
0:34:45get on methadone and they just stay on
0:34:46for years because they never quite they
0:34:50don't actually want to quite coast to
0:34:52the all the way to the ground you know
0:34:54it's a it's a it's an interim there are
0:34:57a lot of schools of thought on this you
0:34:58want to get off a heroine in there you
0:35:01know there are those people that let go
0:35:02change themselves to a bed somewhere and
0:35:04say no matter what you hear come through
0:35:06this door don't open it don't unlock
0:35:08this door no matter what I say and then
0:35:11and you know that happens to a lot of
0:35:13people that get sent to jail right they
0:35:15they come down the hard way and then
0:35:18there's this other way which is like
0:35:20under the supervision of a clinic you
0:35:24kind of get the you get the the sink the
0:35:29slow coast but you have to be doing for
0:35:33to work you have to be doing all this
0:35:34other work you can't just go and get
0:35:37your and I've known a lot of people who
0:35:39go and get it must be behavioral and
0:35:41like just to hang with like there must
0:35:42be so many changes beyond just feeling
0:35:44of self sounds you're saying method down
0:35:46it fills up or ameliorate the the the
0:35:50extreme physical problems that not had
0:35:52taking heroin but it also it gives you
0:35:55take the edge off a little bit not as
0:35:57much as obviously getting the heroin but
0:35:58it's it's not fun but it'sit's something
0:36:02yeah i mean you know i think it's not i
0:36:07think it's not like super fun fun but
0:36:10it's but it's not you know you're not
0:36:15like getting the getting the mega mega
0:36:18fly who but but you don't but you can
0:36:21just sit in and take your methadone and
0:36:24and still like
0:36:27and still be living the life you know
0:36:29what I mean like maybe you're not maybe
0:36:31you're not shooting up but you are just
0:36:33you're you're you're also not on the
0:36:37straight and narrow and you know what
0:36:42so what I when I started thinking about
0:36:43is like why what is it about us where we
0:36:48want people to be on the straight and
0:36:50narrow
0:36:51what is it about what is it about us as
0:36:53a collective as a people that we as you
0:37:00say approach it with from such a digital
0:37:03binary idea right like the amount of
0:37:07money we poor and not just money but
0:37:10effort emotional effort like energy
0:37:13focus that we pour into the notion that
0:37:18um that we want people to get clean and
0:37:24in the meantime if they're not clean
0:37:29we're not going to provide any services
0:37:30to them
0:37:32we're going to exclude them from the
0:37:34from life we're going to push them onto
0:37:37the street
0:37:38we're going to record you know we're
0:37:39going to insist that that they be kept
0:37:42out such that they become criminal
0:37:45they're forced to rob to support their
0:37:48habits their living in squalor they're
0:37:51spreading disease and uh among
0:37:53themselves you know we absolutely
0:37:56exclude them if they are getting high
0:37:58and this isn't addressing the mental
0:38:01health problem which is which we
0:38:04approach in a similar vein yet
0:38:06absolutely where it's just like you are
0:38:08not taking your medication you are not
0:38:10you know undergoing treatment therefore
0:38:13you are absolutely excluded and then we
0:38:16we seem to be content we tisk tisk right
0:38:23but we are content to see people living
0:38:27it absolutely torturous lives in squalor
0:38:34and and you just
0:38:37cover I mean you see people every once
0:38:39in a while we just covered with sores
0:38:41yeah yeah we get that a lot here when
0:38:43the man math is math is pretty rough on
0:38:45a body all there's there the meth sores
0:38:48but there are the sores of like of
0:38:52complete hygiene failure right you know
0:38:55where you are where you're scratching
0:38:58yourself and then you get to get sores
0:39:01and and you know your you just are like
0:39:04it's almost medieval looking somebody
0:39:09walking through the center of of a
0:39:11wealthy prosperous city and you just
0:39:12have this person that seems like they're
0:39:14gonna like a leper
0:39:16yeah they're from a plague-ridden a time
0:39:19and it's all it all kind of comes back
0:39:23to the idea that we have as a like
0:39:26culturally which feels to me like a very
0:39:30Calvinist premise or a boar or Catholic
0:39:34one even yeah that's what I was gonna
0:39:36say yeah yeah you are you are out
0:39:40you do not accept our are with you or
0:39:44not you know he's done except the you're
0:39:48not saved and so therefore you are
0:39:51you're out and I think about like we
0:39:54have all this new energy which is which
0:39:59I think of his 20th century energy which
0:40:01is all these people who have decided
0:40:03that they are agnostics or atheists they
0:40:06are living in a world unburdened by by
0:40:13mythology and by the sort of what they
0:40:18imagine is this you know this link
0:40:21prehistoric dumbness like they finally
0:40:24they've read Nietzsche and they have a
0:40:28they've been to college they've worked
0:40:30at a software place for a while and they
0:40:34are above all this and they can see with
0:40:36clarity but we're still none of us
0:40:40saying can we eliminate this
0:40:44this is binary notion that you either
0:40:48that successful people deserve their
0:40:51success because they worked hard and the
0:40:54ones that don't work hard deserve their
0:40:57squalor or successful people deserve
0:41:01their success because of whatever other
0:41:04conditions you put on it but there are
0:41:06all these people that just like if they
0:41:08don't if they can't if they can't get up
0:41:10in the morning and and make it to their
0:41:12minimum wage job then fuck them
0:41:15it's it's it's a it's crazy and it's too
0:41:19bad that atheism has attached itself to
0:41:22libertarianism so closely although maybe
0:41:26there may be there there's their clothes
0:41:30their brethren the philosophical
0:41:32brethren and so I guess it makes sense
0:41:34but you would you would hope that they
0:41:36would be a kind of compassionate version
0:41:39of this humanistic thought that where
0:41:43that we've spent the last hundred years
0:41:44kind of working
0:41:47yeah every and every off-the-shelf
0:41:50explanation that i can come up with for
0:41:53why we allow this to go on or why we
0:41:55allow it to feel OK or well get this in
0:41:59a second comes from in my head traces
0:42:04back unintentionally unconsciously to
0:42:07some kind of this is not a slam against
0:42:11religion but it but it is it does go
0:42:13back to the ideas of religious
0:42:15fundamentalism of various sorts from
0:42:18another time and I'm that could be
0:42:20something from a hundred years ago that
0:42:22could be something from hundreds of
0:42:23years ago on the one hand there's a
0:42:26certain kind of basic tribalism where if
0:42:28there's somebody who is the other in our
0:42:29tribe who is not contributing I think
0:42:32there's a very natural reaction of
0:42:34saying that mean whether the other for a
0:42:36reason like either they're marked or you
0:42:39know what I mean they've received the
0:42:40mark there like they're bad news
0:42:42they've got their left-handed or where
0:42:44they done something to deserve this like
0:42:46God knows why they're this way i'm not
0:42:48saying religious people today believe
0:42:50this i'm saying this is the result of a
0:42:52certain kind of toxic religious
0:42:54socio-political connection over hundreds
0:42:57of years that word
0:42:58not entirely comfortable admitting still
0:42:59exists to some extent
0:43:01um so one of those is that person is the
0:43:04way they are because reasons and that's
0:43:07way beyond what we need to understand
0:43:08here but obviously there's a reason why
0:43:10that's the way it is an eye on the way
0:43:11that I am I think that's one really
0:43:13basic one and there's another one
0:43:15there's a reason that's right there's a
0:43:17reason but it's got maybe God's reason
0:43:19and we don't always understand God's
0:43:20reasons but these things do happen as we
0:43:23see around us every day there's a reason
0:43:24why everything happens the way it is
0:43:25otherwise it wouldn't happen the way it
0:43:27does so my my good fortune is explained
0:43:29by the fact that god likes me and their
0:43:31good fortune is explained by the bad
0:43:33fortune is explained by the fact that
0:43:34they're marked for some reason but then
0:43:36you get into other kinds of things that
0:43:37I think you don't have to look back more
0:43:39than a hundred or a couple hundred years
0:43:40to see and and one of those is that why
0:43:43can't we why can't we have more than a
0:43:44digital opinion about this how can we
0:43:46let people like like continue to live
0:43:49like that
0:43:50I think it's it there's there's
0:43:53something like why do we have to put
0:43:56them in jail is one like why is it that
0:43:58we can't help these people and there's I
0:44:01don't I can't trace it to any specific
0:44:02religion or denomination exactly with
0:44:06without being overly dramatic but I i
0:44:09think there is something to saying that
0:44:11if this person wanted to be saved they
0:44:14know the path like they have chosen like
0:44:17let's say they had bad fortune right now
0:44:19maybe looked in smile on them while they
0:44:20that ample opportunities to understand
0:44:22how to be part of our culture and
0:44:24because there's something a
0:44:26fundamentally wrong with them
0:44:27probably but B also that they were they
0:44:30refuse to convert em they are living on
0:44:35the streets and in the condition because
0:44:37they because they haven't converted and
0:44:39if they converted we would be able to
0:44:41help them
0:44:42it's just that there maybe they have
0:44:44weak character maybe they you know
0:44:46whatever but even if you're a slightly
0:44:47more advanced idiot you would look at
0:44:49that and go where there's still a reason
0:44:51why that's the way they are and and
0:44:53really you can come all the way up into
0:44:55the say no to drugs era to show just the
0:44:58fundamental misunderstandings about how
0:45:00we treat people and we're talking about
0:45:02here we're talking about disease from
0:45:03poverty we're talking about class we're
0:45:05talking about drug abuse or substance
0:45:07abuse for large but I mean they would
0:45:10take five shows to talk about this but
0:45:11there
0:45:11as part of my gut that goes you change
0:45:14just a couple dates and nouns and titles
0:45:17in this and it really does it sounds a
0:45:19lot like something from the sixteen
0:45:20hundreds that this person she cannot be
0:45:23allowed to be part of this group because
0:45:25because they have not converted to what
0:45:28the group needs them to do
0:45:30therefore they are now the other and
0:45:32they are dangerous and spending
0:45:34resources on them would not only be a
0:45:36waste of the resources but it would be
0:45:38antithetical to the laws that govern how
0:45:42we work together
0:45:43yeah where I mean we are a we're still
0:45:48Charlemagne taking the Saxons down to
0:45:50the river and a and cutting off their
0:45:54heads if they don't if they don't do the
0:45:59do the one right version of of life that
0:46:04we have that we have in mind and and and
0:46:07the this the you know secular humanism
0:46:10has not done away with that idea so I
0:46:13Drive past this methadone clinic and I
0:46:15start to imagine i start to imagine a
0:46:21world in which we say if you want to do
0:46:24heroin that's fine and we have
0:46:29determined through exhaustive studies
0:46:31that the amount of money it what what
0:46:35what masks in some what is that the
0:46:38amount of money we spend on this whole
0:46:43problem its disbursed among thousands of
0:46:49sort of organizations that don't really
0:46:51communicate with each other and we're
0:46:52not able to say that the cost of the war
0:46:58on drugs let's call it is not just the
0:47:03amount of money that we pay Coast Guard
0:47:06to go out and interdict boats that are
0:47:10coming in to the from the bahamas like
0:47:13we can we can put a cost on the war on
0:47:15drugs in terms of like cost a lot of
0:47:17money for those c-130 is to be flying
0:47:19over central america with their downward
0:47:21looking radar
0:47:22but but the cost of the war on drugs is
0:47:25actually like also all of these
0:47:27ambulances and that we are constantly
0:47:30schlepping people back and forth from
0:47:31emergency rooms all the all the the jail
0:47:34time all the cops just focused on drug
0:47:38problems all of the costs of Breaking
0:47:42and Entering and purse snatching and you
0:47:47know and just like you you there's no
0:47:50way to look at what the real costs are
0:47:53but you can do can get close if you just
0:47:56expand your vision and say like holy
0:47:59shit this is bleeding us in a way and
0:48:02also not solving the problem so okay you
0:48:06want to do heroin you're a person who's
0:48:08like discovered heroin and it feels good
0:48:10and that's the first problem we don't
0:48:14like people to feel good but so here's
0:48:18what here's what we have for you we have
0:48:19a we have this we have a farm beautiful
0:48:22farm big farm and it encompasses
0:48:25hundreds of acres there are a lot we
0:48:29built lots of buildings there and it's
0:48:31heroin farm and you go there and you
0:48:35year you're on heroin there and we don't
0:48:39ask you to pay any money we don't we
0:48:45don't require that you do anything
0:48:46you're a living person and you can go to
0:48:51this place and be on heroin and you know
0:48:54there there's enough of a medical staff
0:48:56there that we you know we don't let you
0:48:58die
0:49:01although you know this is a kind of it's
0:49:04a form of being away
0:49:07you're certainly a way but the cost of
0:49:09maintaining this for what is really a
0:49:13pretty small proportion of people who
0:49:15want to be on heroin
0:49:16it's just worth it
0:49:19it's just worth it for us that you not
0:49:22be
0:49:24it's where this fort worth it for us
0:49:27that you not be causing problems in in
0:49:30the in the town but it's also like this
0:49:33is much easier going to be on heroin
0:49:34anyway if you're living in a tent
0:49:36other under the freeway or if you're
0:49:37living in this hotel discount it's just
0:49:41kind of like bunny Colvin's was going to
0:49:42amsterdam in the lawyer
0:49:44it's a little hamster Danny butBut
0:49:46Hamsterdam you know still or about
0:49:48selling and consuming it just kept going
0:49:50and kept the squalor from from like
0:49:55infecting the city that was it was more
0:49:57of a containment unit will take it out
0:49:59of the high-rises and moving over to
0:50:00Hamsterdam and now you do what you want
0:50:02in this you know on this island of lost
0:50:05souls and you will not get arrested
0:50:07yeah and but but also what it does is
0:50:10you know there's a huge thing about drug
0:50:12addicts right is that they have they're
0:50:15not they do share a lot of
0:50:17characteristics with one another and
0:50:19some of those characteristics are like
0:50:22alcoholics and drug addicts are selfish
0:50:25people and they are there egotistical
0:50:29people like it there's a there's a lot
0:50:31of commonality that's why Alcoholics
0:50:32Anonymous works is because they have
0:50:35identified the fact that every single
0:50:37alcoholic and drug addict feels like
0:50:39they're special person they really all
0:50:40do
0:50:41I'm there's a kind of there's a there's
0:50:44a there's a Colorado a lot of
0:50:47commonality in the way that alcoholics
0:50:50and drug addicts think which is what
0:50:53makes it seem like a spiritual disease
0:50:56and it's why we despise them so much
0:50:59right because because very seldom does a
0:51:02person of you know of
0:51:05true humility become a raging alcoholic
0:51:08either the alcohol turns them into an
0:51:11asshole or they were an asshole to begin
0:51:13with and that's something that fit that
0:51:14even in even in AAA meetings there's a
0:51:16lot of debate about you know where you
0:51:18an asshole and then you were you born an
0:51:21asshole and then became an alcoholic
0:51:22because that's what happens or like the
0:51:24huge douche bags and business
0:51:26development and it seems like i was
0:51:28intended for the other right right
0:51:30which game started actually gonna be a
0:51:31first and so that's part of the reason
0:51:34that we don't want to that we can't
0:51:36imagine just caring for them somewhere
0:51:39because because they infuriate us like
0:51:43each individual alcoholic comes from a
0:51:45family that they have infuriated to the
0:51:47point that they've been kicked out every
0:51:49junkie
0:51:49is already infuriating before they
0:51:51became a junkie but so if you if you if
0:51:54if you built this farm and you're like
0:51:56you want to go sit and sit on a couch
0:51:58all day and not off
0:51:59um you know yeah that's fine we'll have
0:52:02TVs there three squares a day it's going
0:52:06to cost money it costs the town money to
0:52:10sustain you there but and it's very hard
0:52:15for some people in the town to imagine
0:52:17that you guys are out here eating three
0:52:18series and an intolerable just
0:52:21intelligent it's going to drive them to
0:52:22absolute distraction what did you do to
0:52:24deserve this there are people working
0:52:26hard wish i could sit around and be
0:52:27addicted to heroin all the sure why the
0:52:29fuck would you know why can't I be
0:52:31addicted to heroin and said and the
0:52:32thing is you can its open enrollment and
0:52:36and what you discover is that people
0:52:38don't want to 99.9 percent of the people
0:52:42do not want to be addicted to heroin
0:52:43sitting on a cash nodding off they just
0:52:45don't if you said it's free and you can
0:52:47do it
0:52:48most people wouldn't include you know
0:52:50including some junkies they go out there
0:52:53they lived for a year they'd be like wow
0:52:54this is amazing and then they too would
0:52:58say you take away the the you take away
0:53:03the thrill of persecution you take away
0:53:06the from all the energy of the hunt and
0:53:11the feeling of being hunted and that's
0:53:15the thing that we never talk about its
0:53:17apparent it's very hard to talk about
0:53:19the feeling that that I had as an
0:53:21alcoholic and and the thing that was
0:53:23sort of propelling me toward a life on
0:53:26the street which is which was a big part
0:53:29of my early twenties like you know I was
0:53:32dancing with the idea of being a street
0:53:37person types i spent a lot of time sort
0:53:40of seeking out the wisdom of the alley
0:53:43and wondering whether or not i belong
0:53:46there
0:53:47and a big part of it was this idea of
0:53:50like the truth of it the and that when
0:53:56we talk about from a public health
0:53:58standpoint we talk about junkies and
0:53:59alcoholics and we think particularly
0:54:01problematic street ones and these are
0:54:03not this is separate from mental health
0:54:05programs which is very difficult to do
0:54:07but you know to have the conversation
0:54:09you have separated
0:54:10yeah there's a lot of overlap but a big
0:54:13part of that big part of that overlap is
0:54:16like you know how many of what we're at
0:54:21what point do these ideas trend over
0:54:23into mental illness and it isn't a clear
0:54:28there isn't a clear line between bipolar
0:54:312 and bipolar one you know there isn't a
0:54:34clear line there's a clear the
0:54:36schizophrenia is like okay yeah
0:54:38hello you are having a full-on
0:54:41schizophrenic episode but the bass
0:54:44player of Rage Against the Machine
0:54:46believes that we did not land on the
0:54:48moon so much that he is willing to
0:54:51confront Buzz Aldrin in the public
0:54:53square and yell at him about the fact
0:54:56the fact that we faked the moon landing
0:54:58and if he believes so strongly that we
0:55:00faked the moon landing he has to believe
0:55:02in whole castle of prior notions about
0:55:08what the world how the world is actually
0:55:10transacted that we faked the moon
0:55:13landing right then he also believes that
0:55:15we have that there's a secret great
0:55:18government that is in thrall to who
0:55:20knows what but is he is gets a frantic
0:55:22he sounds like one but he's the bass
0:55:25player of Rage Against the Machine and
0:55:26he lives in a house and he has money and
0:55:28you know like where-- where is the line
0:55:30between him and a guy who's standing on
0:55:31the street corner pulling his hair
0:55:32saying then we break the mold landing
0:55:34right so but but
0:55:38so the idea of like and and junkies
0:55:41aside like we've still we have one here
0:55:43in Seattle a housing complex for chronic
0:55:48alcoholics where they are allowed to
0:55:49drink
0:55:51and we and we finally built it because
0:55:55it was just like these guys we they're
0:55:58released from the emergency room they go
0:55:59immediately to the first package store
0:56:01and bottle up by a bottle of md 2020 and
0:56:04there then they're passed out again in a
0:56:07dumpster in the back in the emergency
0:56:08room 24 hours
0:56:10yeah let's just put them let's just put
0:56:12them all in a building we did and it's
0:56:13been an amazing success but there's a
0:56:17waiting list thousand years for this
0:56:18thing so what do you do if you just what
0:56:22happens if you build a really nice for
0:56:24you take over some old Catholic retreat
0:56:26or some old high school somewhere and
0:56:27you just say this is going to be a place
0:56:29where people can just go
0:56:30the downstairs is going to be a bier
0:56:32stube and it's and it's not going to be
0:56:36squalid we're going to clean it up we're
0:56:38gonna have TVs that are playing sports
0:56:40ball and you can come and there's just
0:56:43beer there's just free beer beer is
0:56:45cheap to make and there's lots and lots
0:56:47of shitty beer that beer companies would
0:56:49donate and just remove the and again all
0:56:53the outcry all I'd like to just sit
0:56:55around all day and drink beer will find
0:56:56here it is
0:56:57you know like go for it you have a you
0:57:00have a sort of monastic sell you don't
0:57:02have a lot of form to go to the soup
0:57:03kitchen
0:57:04it's just that you would probably prefer
0:57:05to go somewhere else yeah right and you
0:57:07would prefer ultimately not to live in a
0:57:10universe very small room with a bathroom
0:57:12down the hall and just getting our drink
0:57:14assumptions behind stuff that we rarely
0:57:18prod at 22 much so and I mean that I
0:57:22guess the closest thing I think I'm
0:57:23afraid like you know sunk cost fallacy
0:57:24you know it would be a dishonor to all
0:57:27the people who died in iraq and
0:57:29afghanistan to get out of Iraq and
0:57:30Afghanistan haha right you know
0:57:34yeah oh yeah it was it would dishonor
0:57:36them so much all the people all the
0:57:38people who died in this in this in this
0:57:40horrible war we have to show them honor
0:57:42by having more people die in this
0:57:44horrible war and this also you know
0:57:46there's a less emotional versions of
0:57:48this with things like you know there's
0:57:49this car that I probably should have
0:57:51sold five years ago and now I have to
0:57:53decide whether to put a new timing belt
0:57:56well you know I just got the air
0:57:57conditioning fixed a couple months ago I
0:57:59should probably get the timing belt
0:58:00fixed on the one hand that makes a lot
0:58:02of sense on the other hand that's really
0:58:03not race
0:58:04possible so you know if you go in you go
0:58:07like look at I mean it's in this really
0:58:09is kind of like the wire writ large in a
0:58:11lot of ways my studies that phrase writ
0:58:12large now but but you know you think
0:58:14about everything we poured into this and
0:58:16what the stakes are too it not going
0:58:17well the last thing in the world you're
0:58:19going to do is have a beer stoop in with
0:58:21with donated beer for for people who
0:58:23don't quote unquote deserve it because
0:58:25like we have a lot invested there's a
0:58:28lot of a lot of our own history and
0:58:31dignity invested in this idea of this
0:58:33thing being a terrible thing all of
0:58:35those planes that were using and all of
0:58:37those those resources are being used to
0:58:39fight this war without asking the really
0:58:42dumb John Rother a question of like well
0:58:43you know what if what if this work
0:58:46what if we hadn't made this into a
0:58:48criminal enterprise we look at that as a
0:58:50criminal enterprise now but why was
0:58:53heroin illegal because we don't like
0:58:54chinese people that's why heroines
0:58:56illegal right let's let's go way back to
0:58:58work why a whole bunch of stuff is
0:59:00illegal because white guys didn't like
0:59:02the people who are doing it and then now
0:59:04today now well how are we doing with
0:59:07that so you know but then there's the
0:59:10one phase which is like how do you talk
0:59:11people out of the criminality of all
0:59:13this stuff and saying like well maybe
0:59:14there should be a crime but the other
0:59:16the other shoe that goes with that other
0:59:18foot isn't what we then how do we treat
0:59:20these people as human beings if we
0:59:22decided they're not actually criminals
0:59:23both of which require a lot of walking
0:59:25back on previous philosophies and a lot
0:59:29of essentially eating crow about
0:59:32something that used to have a real
0:59:33strong feeling about the night there's
0:59:35not that many people in position of
0:59:36power who want to be the one to put up
0:59:38the bierstube right right well like for
0:59:41instance we have made we have made pot
0:59:44legal here now you can go into a pot
0:59:48store show your ID that you are 18 i
0:59:52guess or 21 I don't know what the
0:59:53I've never been into one of these things
0:59:55i would go to fucking gross a spot store
0:59:57but if you want to
0:59:57but if you want to
1:00:00you can go in and and they're not gross
1:00:02they're clean and and they're beautiful
1:00:05and the amount the number of pots they
1:00:07have exceeds the number of pops that you
1:00:11could imagine and because pot technology
1:00:15has you know has had all these years 40
1:00:18years of people crossbreeding pots there
1:00:22are now I think the general level of
1:00:26stoney stoney pneus in the pots is like
1:00:31Ludacris right i mean what even when I
1:00:33was in high school and college they were
1:00:36still you can buy shake right you can
1:00:38sit around roll a joint out of some
1:00:40shake smoke pot all afternoon and get a
1:00:43kind of hazy cool buzz where you could
1:00:46you know a trick in light beer
1:00:48I mean it's not it's a pivoting light
1:00:50beer and like you know shotgunning
1:00:53everclear yeah but even more i know i
1:00:56mean though the idea of the
1:00:57quote-unquote one hit shit when I was in
1:00:58college vs now I can't even imagine the
1:01:01parents know I look at people who are
1:01:03baked now and I go I know how baked you
1:01:06are and I've been that baked but i'm not
1:01:10even sure i have right like I he
1:01:12wouldn't remember it back in back 20
1:01:15years ago when I quit smoking pot I had
1:01:17smoked all the crazy University of
1:01:19Washington you know let laboratory pot I
1:01:23had smoked the mountains and perfect i
1:01:28had smoked the top shelf shit in
1:01:30Amsterdam all the you know the northern
1:01:34lights and all the like I had sought out
1:01:37and found the gnarliest shit including
1:01:39some black cash that I smoked in a in
1:01:43tarifa spain which literally made me
1:01:47feel like I was levitating above my own
1:01:50body in a hotel room in tarifa by I had
1:01:54this you know like this experience where
1:01:57I could not believe it i was speaking to
1:02:00mother Mary and she was speaking back to
1:02:02me and I was floating above my body and
1:02:06laughing with joy
1:02:08but i don't i think you could probably
1:02:10get that high off a pot that you buy
1:02:12interest in just a store now I think
1:02:14it's the it is to chronic it has become
1:02:18insane and they need to scale it back
1:02:20they need to breed some pot 44 olds they
1:02:25need to breathe some pot for chill
1:02:27people who just want to smoke some weed
1:02:29like 32 pot some 32 pot exactly but in
1:02:32any case so we have these parts stores
1:02:34but we have very very we have a lot of
1:02:38rules about them and one of the crucial
1:02:40rules is no smoking pot at the pot store
1:02:44it's not a pot cafe it's a pot story by
1:02:47the pot it's a package store then you
1:02:49take the pot away and we used to have
1:02:52liquor stores in Washington which were
1:02:53not bars obviously buy liquor in this
1:02:56grocery store you can't drink it there
1:02:57but there are also bars where you buy
1:03:01liquor and you drink them
1:03:03uh-huh you drink the liquors because you
1:03:06want to do that with other people you
1:03:07don't want to just take your your bottle
1:03:09back to your SRO it's your harmful right
1:03:13right but we don't because first of all
1:03:16we've made it illegal to smoke in public
1:03:18and pot is illegal is split smoke like
1:03:23tobacco but I swear to you
1:03:27ninety percent of the people who are
1:03:29buying pot want to open it right there
1:03:32sit down at a at a picnic table in a
1:03:35kind of dark place order coffee roll a
1:03:39joint smoke it and watch the music video
1:03:43for division bell live
1:03:46Pink Floyd mega lightshow guitar solo
1:03:50wake fest they want to just watch that
1:03:54and trip out but not at home they want
1:03:58to be sitting at a table having a copy
1:03:59and somebody comes over like a man we
1:04:01smoking
1:04:02you're like a good sum sum of this book
1:04:04in maui wowie man what do you got
1:04:06ooh you know did they just want to be
1:04:08around people but that's illegal you
1:04:11cannot chill
1:04:12basically we have made it so you can
1:04:14chill
1:04:16and why I mean I understand from a
1:04:21public health standpoint you know
1:04:23because the people that are serving
1:04:25coffee in this place would be exposed to
1:04:27secondhand smoke and that violates all
1:04:29of these municipal codes that we've
1:04:33established which I agree with right I'd
1:04:35when they took cigarettes out of rock
1:04:37clubs it improved my life a thousand
1:04:40percent as a performing artist right you
1:04:43stand up on the stage and people aren't
1:04:45blowing Winston's in your face and
1:04:49you're like fuck this is amazing why did
1:04:51we do this a thousand years ago but in
1:04:54the in that process we also made it
1:04:55illegal for people to go to have a bar
1:04:57that's like called smoking bar where
1:05:01everybody in there just wants to smoke
1:05:02the bartender wants to smoke you know
1:05:04but that we we've eliminated that from
1:05:06contention you cannot choose to do that
1:05:09now you guys think you can study that
1:05:10San Francisco if its owner operated oh
1:05:13yes yes smoking the smoking is actually
1:05:15an employment health lock interesting so
1:05:18you can choose i don't know it's still
1:05:21the case but in there couple bars
1:05:22there's a place called Amber in the
1:05:23castro really fun bar there was a
1:05:25smoking place and then not the chieftain
1:05:27but what the other places but no that's
1:05:30still pretty rare
1:05:32you can smoke weed before you can smoke
1:05:33a cigarette and a bar here
1:05:35yeah well and so and I do I smell weed
1:05:37in bars now moral and I smell weed
1:05:39everywhere now
1:05:40Oh God but what if you just if you know
1:05:43if you just said like we are going to
1:05:46build a bier stube down in the south end
1:05:50of town
1:05:51it's going to be 40,000 square feet a
1:05:56giant hall it's going to it's going to
1:05:58look like look like a beer hall in
1:06:01munich except instead of pretzels
1:06:04we're going to serve a kitten pieces of
1:06:09wedding cake or whatever it is that
1:06:11donors one right they want something
1:06:14they want like chocolate pudding and I
1:06:17don't you know I mountain dew I don't
1:06:19it's been so long since I've been a
1:06:20stoner I don't even remember what you
1:06:21want SpaghettiOs
1:06:23I don't know but we're going to just
1:06:25have it is gonna be psychedelic music
1:06:27playing or reggae
1:06:28then and you can just get baked and
1:06:34their couches and stuff like that place
1:06:36would be jammed
1:06:38yeah but we just can't picture it and
1:06:42and then you amp that up and say like no
1:06:45that's going to be that's going to be
1:06:46booze but it's going to be free to be
1:06:50free booze is going to be shitty
1:06:52probably maybe not maybe it'll be fine
1:06:56I mean but it's gonna be there's gonna
1:06:58be just enough it's going to require a
1:07:00commitment on your part like I don't
1:07:04know if the commitment is you have to
1:07:05live there
1:07:06I feel like you shouldn't even have to
1:07:08live there i feel like there should be
1:07:09there should be a farm was just like
1:07:12free beer farm i think people in America
1:07:16don't like feeling like they're being
1:07:18tricked or bamboozled and i think one
1:07:21reason people would be against anything
1:07:23like that is because it feels like a con
1:07:25it feels like it's not fair it feels
1:07:27like everybody else has to go out and
1:07:28work for a living why should these
1:07:29people get to do that and it's it's it's
1:07:32comes from the kind of person who is
1:07:33summer or somewhere between a child and
1:07:36a parent in their in their mentality
1:07:39about the about the planet there there
1:07:44there enough of a child to worry about
1:07:45whether everything is just and therefore
1:07:48the parent to worry about whether it's
1:07:50everything is unjust right i don't know
1:07:53i'm not putting that well but people
1:07:55anything if you actually truly cared
1:07:56about people you would worry less about
1:07:58appearances and your own personal
1:08:00feelings about it and worry more about
1:08:02how you can actually accomplish
1:08:03something that's a little daring even if
1:08:05it seems a little bit unusual like if if
1:08:08if a billionaire
1:08:09let's say Elon Musk Elon Musk is a great
1:08:12example the billionaire here he is Elon
1:08:14Musk he's he's working on a Hyperloop
1:08:17train he's working on a spaceship
1:08:20he's working on I saw a tesla today this
1:08:23is that if I thought Tesla today with a
1:08:26Deadhead sticker on cadillac no I saw a
1:08:28tesla
1:08:29with those you know those little batons
1:08:32with the with your football team flag
1:08:34that you put on the back window of your
1:08:36car picking up above the car yeah that's
1:08:38a terrific you have those down to san
1:08:40francisco i'm guessing I'm sure
1:08:42usually you don't know giant usually you
1:08:45can see them honor on a blazer that has
1:08:49maybe 26 inch rims but I saw them flying
1:08:53on a Tesla today and I was just like wow
1:08:56right before yesterday's have this
1:08:58installed at the factory just put this
1:09:00on yourself it's like having a Mercedes
1:09:02or BMW
1:09:03ya see how I can get our market flags
1:09:05and stuff no no you have to buy it's the
1:09:07seahawks branded one it's like it's like
1:09:09the old eddie bauer ford explorer comes
1:09:12with the it's embroidered on the seats
1:09:13they sell that for pretty but they're
1:09:16cutting on the fact that i'm talking
1:09:18about manager but uh but so you on
1:09:22mosques sitting there in his office is
1:09:24trying to make the world better by
1:09:25building may get mega a
1:09:28technology-driven spoilage on what he's
1:09:31doing this I think that he probably
1:09:33right now has an IV and it's got vitamin
1:09:36b complex it's got some sort of maybe
1:09:41some like Hitler speed IC is getting a
1:09:45very very tiny salad from the future
1:09:47that none of us have heard about I think
1:09:49I don't think he does with well yeah but
1:09:51like environmental chopsticks made out
1:09:54of like we recover titanium chopsticks
1:09:57that light up that also convert C water
1:09:59to fresh water
1:10:00thank you but so for your salad work
1:10:04there is he's sitting there with his
1:10:06chopsticks he's got he's talking to
1:10:08scarlett johansson except she's just a
1:10:11model of scarlett o'hara and he says
1:10:16scarlet you know i'm making all these
1:10:18big projects i'm sending it i'm sending
1:10:20sending like drones all-around
1:10:23harvesting you know that I i I've
1:10:26invented a drone that fulfills the role
1:10:28of a bee in the almond industry so we
1:10:32don't need bees we don't up my
1:10:34chopsticks are making water so we don't
1:10:36need water
1:10:36what is my next project what do you
1:10:39think hologram of scarlett johansson and
1:10:41scarlett johansson goes
1:10:42that's a very interesting question he'll
1:10:44on your turn me on you could the little
1:10:50max headroom like wow and then she says
1:10:55why don't you build why don't you build
1:10:57a sin farm
1:10:58why don't you build a pleasure farm out
1:11:00in the desert where people can just go
1:11:03and it's a little bit
1:11:05it's like the pits like the Polish post
1:11:07office in gdansk before huh
1:11:10it's an extra territorial space where we
1:11:17mean we're not violating any laws but
1:11:20it's it's a chicken farm let's say it
1:11:24would be inconvenient as a boat because
1:11:26you could get a ship and go out into
1:11:27international waters
1:11:29that's a lot of overhead for people who
1:11:30don't have a place to live for a job
1:11:32yeah and it's but that's for you know
1:11:33that's where 17 level Satan's only mm
1:11:37thanks I mean that's for but then we're
1:11:40talking about what we're talking about
1:11:42is a hey a place where even a even a
1:11:45first-level like magic users are first
1:11:50level druid first level through is our
1:11:52first level mage who can go and just sit
1:11:56in a big picnic table in the bierstube
1:11:58drink some free beer smoke some ganj
1:12:01maybe across the campus there's a place
1:12:04where you can you can shoot up and be a
1:12:07and not offer take it sounds a little
1:12:09bit like almost like a miniature kind of
1:12:11disney world is different areas to the
1:12:12park with themes
1:12:14yeah right there's there's old west end
1:12:15to be replaced the old west horse town
1:12:17where everyone's doing heroin right if
1:12:20you've got the obviously you've got the
1:12:21old Jonathan Antin beer hall area with
1:12:24with your stupid minute
1:12:25yeah the problem the problem I think is
1:12:27that it would become us it would become
1:12:28a destination for people around the
1:12:30world
1:12:31I like people besides pop or and
1:12:33deranged people want to go there
1:12:34well just like yeah people from Germany
1:12:36be like that sounds good
1:12:38you know it would kind of have to be a
1:12:39movement where you would wear every town
1:12:42would have a place every every you they
1:12:46would be you know they'd be a new idea
1:12:51in in the culture where it's just like
1:12:53instead of
1:12:54rehab facilities I mean the thing is
1:12:57that if you want to get off heroin and
1:13:01you are at one of these sin farms we
1:13:06would also locate our methadone clinic
1:13:08there and so if you want to reenter
1:13:12society those facilities would be there
1:13:15too if you want to get sober if you want
1:13:17to go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings
1:13:19if you want to rejoin society we know
1:13:24those facilities are here and we
1:13:26encourage it but again your choice if
1:13:30you don't you can go back down to the
1:13:32lounge and and so what we're going to do
1:13:38so we're going to stop trying to get you
1:13:39to get clean by making you inhuman and
1:13:45we're going to we're gonna offer you the
1:13:48opportunity to get clean if that's what
1:13:49you want and if you lost Elon Elon Musk
1:13:55right well i think this has gone past
1:13:56you on we have to go back to like we
1:13:59have to go back to introducing this
1:14:00conversation into the public sphere
1:14:02where it becomes a kind of like you know
1:14:05what we've tried everything nothing has
1:14:07worked
1:14:09we're still it's 2015 and we are still
1:14:13dealing with drugs and alcohol as though
1:14:18it's a as though it's a moral crisis and
1:14:23you know we've taken away now talking
1:14:26about the mental health side of things
1:14:28like we have we no longer provide for
1:14:31people who cannot live him in within
1:14:35normal Collins quote unquote normal
1:14:39culture we what we've eliminated all
1:14:41services for them we won't house them
1:14:43anymore
1:14:44we won't we don't care for them who
1:14:47people that just need to be maintained
1:14:50you know that the Kennedy sister lived
1:14:55in in an institution whole life the one
1:14:58that they gave all right bottom right
1:15:01yeah but if you can't if you're not a
1:15:04Kennedy if you can't afford to be in a
1:15:06for pee institution we're just
1:15:08gonna let you go out on the street and
1:15:09fend for yourself and and too bad for
1:15:13you
1:15:14that's the best the fallout from from
1:15:17deciding that that some people were in
1:15:20voluntarily institutionalized now all
1:15:22the people that should be
1:15:23institutionalized we're just gonna
1:15:24that's all done and we have to ask the
1:15:27insurance companies and the insurance
1:15:29companies came back and said sorry had a
1:15:30precondition existing condition so it so
1:15:34you're going to be picking at your scabs
1:15:36and throwing your poet people
1:15:37yeah that's what that's what we've
1:15:40decided so you know there's just there
1:15:43is a need within human life for a place
1:15:47for 44 there's a need with for the idea
1:15:52that some people can't care for
1:15:54themselves and and we don't and we care
1:15:59for them without without judgment and I
1:16:05don't know how to introduce that idea
1:16:08particularly since caring for people is
1:16:13a thing that we so often just say well
1:16:15we'll let the religious people deal with
1:16:17that will let the will let that
1:16:19compassion industry deal with that and
1:16:23the compassion industry is made up of
1:16:24religious people with a with a very
1:16:28strong sense of judgment and then all
1:16:31the kind of methadone clinic people who
1:16:34are medical who have a medical approach
1:16:36to it
1:16:37who but still premise on the idea that
1:16:39we are trying to get you
1:16:42we're trying to to get you from there to
1:16:46here right with end and there's the
1:16:49success or failure rate
1:16:51alright alright it's definitely a
1:16:53specific part of the theme park that
1:16:55they would prefer you go to yeah right
1:16:58you're headed out of the theme park is
1:16:59where they want you to go
1:17:00ya know and you know and I've sometimes
1:17:02I think if I were alone musk maybe i
1:17:06would go to the state of Nebraska uh-huh
1:17:11where no one wants to live anymore the
1:17:14state of Nebraska which largely should
1:17:16be returned to a prairie state where all
1:17:20the fences are taken down
1:17:21the buffalo were allowed to roam free
1:17:23and there are still some old people in a
1:17:27bausch and lomb horn-rimmed glasses who
1:17:31are standing in the center of their
1:17:32empty town railing against the federal
1:17:37government and you know just like
1:17:40continuing paint quite a picture that's
1:17:43continuing to farm soybeans even as the
1:17:46giant robot combines move just like the
1:17:50robot combines have a glitch in their
1:17:52GPS and they just combine right over
1:17:54their farmhouse and there's not other
1:17:56than the operator is somewhere in
1:17:57Chicago nobody even that i'm talking
1:18:00about the future now at some point is
1:18:02the last few minutes to turn into a beat
1:18:04poet but I like where it's going
1:18:05listen I actually broke down take you
1:18:09down for the Buffalo to Rome Malik Malik
1:18:12I remember you want with me down to my
1:18:19beer Scoob saw the best minds of my
1:18:24generation come by and by a robot
1:18:27hysterical makeup theme park Elon Musk
1:18:30so what if you went there and in there
1:18:32lots and lots of people who want to go
1:18:34up to North Dakota or Nebraska and by up
1:18:37a-town and turn it into a white homeland
1:18:39you do that so that is gonna get huger
1:18:41and huger I think about that all the
1:18:44time
1:18:44once you get better ability to get good
1:18:46internet way far out the middle places i
1:18:48think more towns are going to be taken
1:18:49over by nuts for sure
1:18:50yeah just like hey this is you know what
1:18:52just this part of North Dakota now is
1:18:54for whites only and come at us
1:18:56feds and the feds will just be like you
1:18:59know what let's get actually know what
1:19:00that's fine i thought you know yeah the
1:19:02more the more angry and more angry
1:19:04vindictive probably insane whites you
1:19:07can get into this area the better off we
1:19:09are our job will get easier if more of
1:19:11you can be attracted here
1:19:13yeah that's actually a good idea so it's
1:19:14like a nag met somewhere in North Dakota
1:19:16we draw we draw a circle and we say hey
1:19:20guess what white homeland and then every
1:19:22person that is that too
1:19:24to whom the idea of a white homeland is
1:19:26appealing they all go there and then
1:19:29that's great that's fucking fantastic
1:19:30like itself select crazy town
1:19:35white homeland and then I don't know
1:19:37whether in the middle of the night we
1:19:39build a like us like a giant Berlin
1:19:43drop-down like oil jar just like hey
1:19:46guess what prison camp wow you didn't
1:19:49see that coming and they're all in that
1:19:51they got all their guns just bouncing
1:19:53off the Belgian yeah and then pretty
1:19:55soon
1:19:56inevitably they start getting gun fights
1:19:58with each other over like-like-like
1:20:00minut like problems in the doctrine
1:20:04well they just eliminate one another but
1:20:06let's so let's so white homelands up
1:20:08there definitely loved her but she would
1:20:10you put that in front of Elon Musk it's
1:20:12a good one
1:20:12some interactive a proactive white
1:20:15homeland instead of solo and tisk tisk
1:20:17tisk to all of you terrible people know
1:20:19we're gonna encouraging this we want we
1:20:20want to basically build a giant land
1:20:22father's mas to fly too well exactly a
1:20:24mint and talk about building an Old West
1:20:26town there
1:20:27I mean just like give them exactly the
1:20:31like flag wavin flag i will tell them
1:20:35we'll have brochures you're gonna be
1:20:36able to get souvenir spoons you can have
1:20:38those big giant three wheeled
1:20:39motorcycles you can ride around on the
1:20:42baby sims will be still be black walmart
1:20:44and Sam's there it's everything you want
1:20:46to be giant parking spaces
1:20:48oh fuck this is incredible you can put
1:20:50as big a tailpipe on your diesel your
1:20:53comings diesel dodge pickup as you want
1:20:55the tailpipe could be as big as a
1:20:5650-gallon drum there's literally no one
1:20:58to say anything that trucks that nitric
1:21:00that's not a problem just put those
1:21:01anyone anything put them on your wife we
1:21:03don't care biggest truck nuts with it
1:21:05will have truck nuts the size of soccer
1:21:06but if we erect proactively again erect
1:21:10the largest truck nuts in the world we
1:21:11make it one of our primary attractions
1:21:13oh fuck yes you can see it 4,000 miles
1:21:15and everyone that's not to come
1:21:17haha come on white homeland you'd be
1:21:20nuts not to come it's so so why don't
1:21:25land up there but then somewhere a
1:21:26little bit further south a where the you
1:21:30know where the air is clean we build
1:21:32another we just draw a big circle and
1:21:34I'm talking about I'm talking about 500
1:21:37square miles right I'm not touch a big
1:21:39circle
1:21:39yeah the big circle and we just say Sin
1:21:42City no sin city and you go there and
1:21:46it's all it's just fucking any anything
1:21:48goes
1:21:48and you sign a disclaimer walking
1:21:52through the gates like you have no
1:21:54recourse to the law in here and and
1:21:58heads up there are definitely going to
1:22:01be people in here who have decided that
1:22:03they are the law and that's your problem
1:22:07like that's fine too you walk in there
1:22:09and you are going to get immediately
1:22:11it's just like being in a fun prism
1:22:14right there are going to be gangs in
1:22:17here they're gonna be doesn't have fun
1:22:19too fun prison
1:22:20it's a fun prison they're gonna be bad
1:22:22men and a lot of you think that you can
1:22:24go in here and have fun and come out at
1:22:26the end of the weekend and probably
1:22:27eighty-nine percent of you will come out
1:22:30unscathed and let me talk about just a
1:22:32couple of things just to help you manage
1:22:33your expectations when we just need to
1:22:35get right out of the way there's no
1:22:36Boober you're not gonna be able to call
1:22:38someone to pick you up and take you
1:22:39somewhere else
1:22:40yeah right it's going to be a lot more
1:22:42like Oh escape from new york
1:22:45oh I hundred percent but i'm not saying
1:22:47is people who think like oh this is
1:22:48great
1:22:49me and my frat brothers are gonna go
1:22:50here and it's giving an awesome bro time
1:22:52it's much more likely that one of you is
1:22:54going to get a broken nose and possibly
1:22:56sodomized sure absolutely not in any way
1:22:58but that this is that this is a serious
1:23:00Wild West environment under this in this
1:23:02big circle that's right Sin City my
1:23:04friends and you know and somebody I
1:23:07guarantee you after it's been there for
1:23:09a few years somebody's going to appoint
1:23:10themselves marissen city i think a lot
1:23:12of people will I think I probably by
1:23:13eight o'clock on a saturday night there
1:23:15will be a lot to be a lot of people know
1:23:17what it's okay to have guns there can
1:23:19you have a store yes you can its Sin
1:23:21City man let it go where they'll be a
1:23:23lot of shooting up in the air that just
1:23:25might be your way of letting people know
1:23:26you're ready for a refill sure it's
1:23:28shooting up in the air it's just it's
1:23:29gonna be it's gonna be like a
1:23:30Palestinian funeral right it's just
1:23:32every day
1:23:34so and I really and I feel like it would
1:23:39relieve a lot of pressure on the rest of
1:23:41the world and you know some of those
1:23:44frat boys are gonna be up there like
1:23:45which one we go to white homeland or sin
1:23:47city it's like they're only it's a
1:23:49six-hour Drive between one and the other
1:23:52there are a lot more churches in white
1:23:53homeland over uh-huh
1:23:56but you know you know I see maybe you
1:23:58might start with white homeland that
1:23:59becomes like like a Hodge you know like
1:24:02let's go to white homeland we're going
1:24:04to hang out there for a while visit big
1:24:05rock will go to sam's club pick up some
1:24:07brews and then flied out to center or
1:24:09not you know drive down to sin city take
1:24:11the deal it'll be a Hyperloop is what
1:24:13they'll be uh huh
1:24:16oh my goodness i'm telling you I just I
1:24:19feel like I feel like like voluntary
1:24:22sequestering of a of both cranks and
1:24:31crackle helpless substance abusers
1:24:36well you know I don't think about sin
1:24:39city as it wouldn't like the hopeless
1:24:41could go there for sure but but there
1:24:43would be a lot of people who want to go
1:24:45to sin city many people go to vegas and
1:24:47they are you know the difficulty of
1:24:50vegas notwithstanding there are still
1:24:54people in vegas and in amsterdam and
1:24:56frankly in hamburg and New York City who
1:24:59have the money to get what they want and
1:25:02what they want is available there and
1:25:05you just have to go through a lot you
1:25:07have to talk to a lot of Bel hops right
1:25:09my friend and skeezy cab drivers to find
1:25:12the path or I mean probably if you have
1:25:14enough money you know what the path is
1:25:15right but she's going training entree
1:25:19into that into that community that's
1:25:21right and you need and you need to be
1:25:22ready to drop serious coin
1:25:25yeah whereas in sin city he it's a it's
1:25:29there and that and that the thing about
1:25:30i think since it is that there are gates
1:25:32so you can't just traffic a bunch of 14
1:25:37year old thai girls in there
1:25:40like you have to get through the gate
1:25:41there is there there are people at the
1:25:43gate that's like nope sorry no no minors
1:25:46and no uh you know everybody that comes
1:25:51in here comes in they each person like
1:25:54walks into a room the door closes behind
1:25:56them and then the person behind the desk
1:25:59says are you under duress in any way if
1:26:02someone's course this analysis is the
1:26:05element the prostitute saying to the
1:26:07undercover cop who you are these
1:26:08supposed to John say show me your dick
1:26:10right because you know I know if you're
1:26:13a cop you won't show me your dick if I
1:26:14ask you for a cop you're not gonna say
1:26:15you're a cop but if you actually look
1:26:17whip it out now before we talk about my
1:26:18show me your dick and then we'll talk
1:26:20about the money
1:26:21there might be somebody that event you
1:26:22is sin city the right place for you
1:26:24that's right or do you if you are here
1:26:26and news are having some second thoughts
1:26:28or you're here with somebody who is
1:26:31holding your arm a little too tightly
1:26:32say that's shitty or and now you're in a
1:26:35room and where's what we'll do we have
1:26:37it in the budget to fly you anywhere in
1:26:40the United States and you never have to
1:26:42walk through that door that you just
1:26:43came through you go out this special
1:26:45door they will never know what happened
1:26:47to you and we'll fly you anywhere in the
1:26:49country if you have someone elaborate
1:26:51scheme really leverage
1:26:52well you know you have to make an
1:26:53airstrip in an airstrip course there's
1:26:55an airstrip are you kidding me it's
1:26:57gonna be the biggest airport in the
1:26:58world the airport outside of sin city
1:27:00and the other letters on the luggages SI
1:27:02n at the airport code
1:27:04oh my god i want to run i want to have
1:27:07the cinnabon concession at sin city
1:27:09airport Cinnabon
1:27:14show me your dick think we helped a lot
1:27:20of people with that one