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0:00:39Lula you know probably podcast people

0:00:52talk too much boy and this podcast in

0:00:56particular

0:00:57well you know if people just pause pause

0:01:01just thinking reflect you've been on

0:01:04you've been on a lot of podcasts where

0:01:07I'm guessing there some long pauses yeah

0:01:11that it almost never happens on this one

0:01:15mhm now we don't we don't suffer from

0:01:18silence but now it's good it's good it's

0:01:22nice to just take a momentum

0:01:31it makes people uncomfortable

0:01:34I think so yeah i mean i like i like to

0:01:38reflect in these moments on how much

0:01:41this podcast means to me take a minute

0:01:45you know I took I as i was driving in my

0:01:49drive into into this podcast in

0:01:52particular it's different than other

0:01:53drives you dropped your drive into this

0:01:57podcast as I'm driving into this podcast

0:02:00i am reflecting are you really thinking

0:02:02about the podcast before you're on it

0:02:04no no not the podcast in particular but

0:02:06the hot cast in general

0:02:07mmm i think i am so grateful for this

0:02:10podcast that gives me the opportunity to

0:02:12take this drive from where I was to

0:02:15where i'm going to be every there's

0:02:20something about the some of the

0:02:22scheduling of this podcast in particular

0:02:24somewhere halfway along the road over

0:02:27the route around i know the long drive

0:02:30large that's right somewhere along the

0:02:32line there i have I Drive by a methadone

0:02:36clinic and it's a very very large its

0:02:40industrial scale methadone clinic it's

0:02:43been scaled up to accommodate the the

0:02:47burgeoning population of heroin junkies

0:02:51in the northwest

0:02:52it's a very large facility and it's a

0:02:55large facility that has not it's it's

0:02:57appropriated an old building and it has

0:03:00not accommodated it has made no

0:03:02accommodation for the fact that what was

0:03:04once probably a nut and bolt factory now

0:03:10has 700 people in various stages of

0:03:15recovery trying to make it in the front

0:03:18door you know at at specific times and

0:03:23so the so you're driving along to do

0:03:27here i am thinking about the pot I'm

0:03:29thinking about how much I appreciate the

0:03:30podcast I'm driving into the podcast and

0:03:34then there's a tourney bend in the road

0:03:36and then all of a sudden it's like

0:03:41you've come upon the scene of the

0:03:46defense of the Polish post office in

0:03:49Danzig like people are scrambling across

0:03:55the street cars are parked that you know

0:03:58at like seven different diagonal angles

0:04:02to one another cars are up on the

0:04:03sidewalk people are pushing themselves

0:04:06but people are pushing their friend

0:04:08across the street in a shopping cart

0:04:09their fireworks going off and it's just

0:04:13like whoa you and everybody has to break

0:04:17that you know the trucks are all like

0:04:18we're end and none of the people who are

0:04:21on their way to or from the methadone

0:04:23clinic ever look either way are they are

0:04:26unconscious of there being traffic

0:04:28there's no this is a thing about I don't

0:04:33know how was your experience of heroin

0:04:35junkies is but they supply little they

0:04:37do not practice the principle of keep

0:04:40moving and get out of the way it's a

0:04:41shame the ones that keep the ones that

0:04:44are moving are not getting out of the

0:04:46way and the ones that are maybe a little

0:04:49bit out of the way are not moving

0:04:51okay so everything is you know i have i

0:04:57have not an inconsiderable amount of

0:04:58experience dealing with this crowd is it

0:05:01like driving through a school zone you

0:05:03gotta be extra careful i'm guessing the

0:05:05things kids have been taught to look for

0:05:07for look both ways right right where s

0:05:10whereas junkies have forgotten

0:05:13everything they learned this child so

0:05:16yeah you have to be mean to really make

0:05:19sure that you don't get into a calamity

0:05:22you have to slow 23 miles an hour and it

0:05:26and it throw it throws me out of my

0:05:27reverie which is not you know again us

0:05:30get that my problems are small beans

0:05:33compared to the desire of someone who is

0:05:37on a heroine product to not feel like

0:05:41spiders are crawling underneath their

0:05:43skin

0:05:44those at that's you know that's a

0:05:46different different degree of problems

0:05:48but it does often it does happen then

0:05:51send me into the last 10 minutes of my

0:05:53drive in a different thinking about

0:05:56different things

0:05:57uh-huh not thinking about not just blank

0:06:01not tabula rasa but fabula Blanco Bobby

0:06:07fabulous negros wow are you a top you

0:06:10like gray their second tubular webbing

0:06:13yeah there's it's a tabula but it's

0:06:16covered with scribbles now that you're

0:06:20no alternate route know there are

0:06:23there's no alternate route one of the

0:06:25great things about Seattle is that it

0:06:26was built premise on the idea that there

0:06:29should be as few alternate routes as

0:06:31possible

0:06:32that's forward-thinking because we have

0:06:35a lot of waterways bridges tunnels

0:06:40not surprisingly few tunnels actually

0:06:42but yeah everything you know everything

0:06:44has to get around something else and it

0:06:47all has to just funnel down to the one

0:06:50road though if you live one place you

0:06:53know you know your Road your one Road a

0:06:56September first 1939 they personnel from

0:07:01the post office they defended the post

0:07:03office against the salts from the Nazis

0:07:05well from the you know the SS in

0:07:07particular for 15 hours

0:07:09hmm that's amazing and they were all

0:07:12executed the Vic the thing about Danzig

0:07:14of course free city but lot of Germans

0:07:17there

0:07:18mhm and polish the Polish post office in

0:07:21dancing was not was you know it was like

0:07:23am like an embassy it was like a okay

0:07:28she's your papers worked on stuff

0:07:30well and it was considered like part of

0:07:32it was considered like a sovereign part

0:07:35of Poland almost like an embassy the

0:07:38exactly but apart but also post office

0:07:41you know people used to post office used

0:07:43to really matter was like you go for

0:07:45surgery at your barber right yeah

0:07:47exactly

0:07:48you go to the post office for all of

0:07:50your nose at post offices or is it posts

0:07:53office post office

0:07:55um that's a really good question

0:07:57attorneys

0:07:58girl my I don't know I died since i'm

0:08:01just on this one page advance these

0:08:02talking danskin was dancing

0:08:04yeah uh well it was dead dancing is the

0:08:09german name gdansk is the Polish name

0:08:12they have a lot of diet criticals and in

0:08:14polished on happy to hear that whoohoo

0:08:17load lots which I know of

0:08:19unfortunately a lot of ghetto it's a

0:08:21four-letter word that has three

0:08:22different criticals in it

0:08:24yeah the checks do that to their throne

0:08:26by critical that your right and left and

0:08:28you're like Jesus Christ man just decide

0:08:31how to pronounce the letter C like it's

0:08:34or or or make some more letters or

0:08:35something like a letter c letter c is is

0:08:38it's just it's an innocent character why

0:08:41must you wait and we're asking a letter

0:08:43C to do a lot of heavy lifting already

0:08:46yes sometimes it's a see sometimes it's

0:08:48a que sometimes it's got a city yeah

0:08:50yep sometimes it's a church sometimes

0:08:52it's a a suitor

0:08:55ok it's so there's a lot going on but

0:08:58yeah they so they are so they they

0:08:59barricaded themselves in the post office

0:09:01and they fought fought the Germans for a

0:09:05long time but then this was the best

0:09:06with the bummer of it

0:09:08the Germans decided that they were not

0:09:11what was it they were they weren't legal

0:09:14day they were declared in court martial

0:09:16this is on wikipedia has to be a write

0:09:18the sentence to death by general

0:09:21court-martial as clinically illegal

0:09:22combatants that that's it i'm not little

0:09:25over a little over a month later because

0:09:28they were not they were this is this is

0:09:30how we keep all these people in in

0:09:33Guantanamo we decide that they are

0:09:36illegal that it's there they did not

0:09:38have a legal right to fight us if they

0:09:39were legally authorized to fight us that

0:09:42would be complicated if they were

0:09:43wearing a uniform and it had a button on

0:09:45it that had a that have the name of a

0:09:47country then their legal and then you

0:09:50can't just put them in a shipping

0:09:52container and leave them in the hot Sun

0:09:54for a year you have to have to do you

0:09:57have to deal with meds like a like a

0:09:59representative of the of their state but

0:10:01he got almost almost like a person

0:10:03yeah right you don't have to do that if

0:10:06they're illegal then you can treat them

0:10:07just like a warthog that you found in

0:10:09the fourth it's a lot less paperwork

0:10:11as a frequent fewer of wikipedia pages

0:10:13on battles you will know that one of the

0:10:15features of a Wikipedia page this is

0:10:17easily the most fascinating part of this

0:10:19page over on the right trail where they

0:10:20give the details of the battle you get

0:10:22the belligerence the commander's

0:10:23casualties and losses and then in so you

0:10:25got a column for one side column for the

0:10:27other was on the one side you got poland

0:10:28the subject Nazi Germany and then

0:10:31under-strength you have a description of

0:10:33who participated in the battle

0:10:35oh this is amazing no not see it on the

0:10:37Nazi side you had more than 200 SS and

0:10:40sa you had the the people in black

0:10:42uniforms people in the Brownshirts 200s

0:10:45NSA soldiers policemen paramilitaries

0:10:48and regulars + 3 + 80 Jeezy armored cars

0:10:52you know what they have on the other

0:10:53side 55 postman and civilians and one

0:10:56railway man man and cream dumb like so

0:11:04they were the instrument that the

0:11:05postman's rule i cannot believe this

0:11:08the the Nazis had 10 kill 25 wounded and

0:11:13then out of there 200 people and depth

0:11:16on the inside of the post office yet six

0:11:17killed or two after surrendering 14

0:11:20wounded and then 38 executed in

0:11:22captivity talk about it talk about being

0:11:24a sore loser

0:11:25that's pretty shitty right 38 executed

0:11:28in Captain a lot that's not hard to do

0:11:31they're in captivity that doesn't count

0:11:33you know the funny thing about the polls

0:11:35in world war two is a lot of them got

0:11:38executed both by the Nazis and the

0:11:40Soviets they were just getting executed

0:11:42right and left because people were

0:11:45people on both sides they were afraid of

0:11:48the of the glow of the the valiance

0:11:51polls they were valued have I mean that

0:11:54didn't the polls have ate like a

0:11:57famously rich history of like I don't

0:12:00know dignified military service didn't

0:12:02have a pretty badass army given the size

0:12:04of it

0:12:04yeah there was that there was a not only

0:12:06one huge army but like very committed

0:12:08people and they were part of that

0:12:09pression idea of like the the officer

0:12:15class was derived from the first

0:12:17families of the

0:12:19of the of the region right now Jacob

0:12:21scraps i mean this isn't considered a

0:12:23very honorable way to live and die for

0:12:24your country

0:12:25yeah and it wasn't a meritocracy nessa

0:12:27it it in principle right it was that the

0:12:30idea was that the the the gentry the the

0:12:36the rich families and the the royal

0:12:37families also produced the best military

0:12:40minds like it was I mean it's that's the

0:12:44that's the way people used to think

0:12:46uh-huh and what's amazing is if you look

0:12:48at the if you look at the leadership

0:12:51like some of the best general Eiling

0:12:54some of the best general ship

0:12:57uh-huh of that war came from these guys

0:13:00who whose fathers were generals their

0:13:03grandfathers were generals the great

0:13:05grandfather's were generals and and

0:13:09you're like wow that's I mean imagine

0:13:11growing up in a family where it's just

0:13:13presumed not that you're going to go

0:13:15into the army but that you will one day

0:13:16be a general and lead your men into

0:13:18battle and that's your whole career is

0:13:21it began when you're 20 years old that

0:13:23begins with this like well here's the

0:13:25next generation of our leader leadership

0:13:28class but didn't of course preceded by

0:13:3020 years of this is going to be a thing

0:13:32that you do you're watching how dad and

0:13:34uncle uncle uncle flawed or whatever are

0:13:38dealing with stuff this is like this is

0:13:39that this is what we do this is what we

0:13:41are not cobblers we're not Cooper's we

0:13:43are not Fletcher's we are we are men who

0:13:45lead in war right we are the bonds and

0:13:48the and the whatever else i guess the

0:13:52bonds but they uh yeah right you're

0:13:56sitting in the front yard playing with

0:13:58with swords made out of little sticks

0:14:00and the staff car pulls up for the

0:14:02carriage pulls up and those are gets out

0:14:04and you know they're marching around

0:14:06with their big plumes in their hat lot

0:14:09of pressure

0:14:10it's it's a it's a big deal but you know

0:14:12but also some really good generally came

0:14:15out of it i mean some shitty generally

0:14:17to let's be honest yeah I mean you know

0:14:19she's gonna always going to get mixed

0:14:20bag

0:14:21wow what a horrible war Oh rule but

0:14:25anyway so back to also you're driving

0:14:28into the podcast back to the methadone

0:14:30and just for what I don't want to let

0:14:31this pass like they're having

0:14:322.7 I'm also extremely grateful for the

0:14:35podcast that will not be interesting to

0:14:36our listeners but i wanted to

0:14:37reciprocate that I look for yes no it's

0:14:40very good asset is very good at but i

0:14:42but i but I'm house I go past that I go

0:14:46past the methadone clinic and I'm and

0:14:47I'm thinking you know what's my what's

0:14:50my what's my take here at I don't

0:14:54this happens every time so I've never

0:14:56mentioned it before because I didn't

0:14:58want to be I didn't want to sit and talk

0:15:00about the methadone clinic but it but

0:15:03because there are a lot of you know

0:15:05there's a lot going on there there's a

0:15:06lot going on there for me there's a lot

0:15:09going on there for all of them and I but

0:15:14has it is it struck me repeatedly that

0:15:18we're doing it wrong somehow and I don't

0:15:22know I've been been been churning on it

0:15:27I don't know how to do it better but it

0:15:30seems like our current approach and by

0:15:33current I mean for the last 30 years

0:15:35approach to I don't even know if I

0:15:40wanted to hang on cuz I i I've been

0:15:42waiting because i wanted to jump in and

0:15:44ask questions about this if i may

0:15:46because I'm interested in this too i

0:15:48don't know i mean i'm trying not to

0:15:51become a one-issue person about this

0:15:52about the utter desolation the utter

0:15:56just crumbling of the city in which I

0:15:58live because it's bad it's bad and I

0:16:02I've had a little miniature rant about

0:16:04this on the program within a few weeks

0:16:05ago

0:16:06it is really awful what's happening here

0:16:08and I mean for example just as recently

0:16:13as sunday on daddy daughter day as is

0:16:17often the case my daughter and I go

0:16:18downtown to have lunch and watching a

0:16:20movie and you know by a book and stuff

0:16:23like that by a thermos you know daddy

0:16:24daughter stuff

0:16:25sure oh my god did you guys recently by

0:16:27a thermos oh yeah we buy three thermoses

0:16:28what we need my second tell you what

0:16:31that will tell you right now with

0:16:32thermistor by see I don't want to take

0:16:34you off of your story but i know i got

0:16:36stake in the ground here I'm good well

0:16:37let's pull over to the side here and

0:16:39talk about thermistor second what to

0:16:41give me give me your knowledge I have a

0:16:43daughter in school is a wonderful

0:16:44wonderful human being

0:16:45but she's very forgetful the days of

0:16:47having a water bottle for her that she

0:16:49takes the school are over we now have

0:16:51approximately six water bottles of which

0:16:53224 may be available in the house maybe

0:16:56at a given time I finally got smart and

0:16:58realized we need to have a couple cheap

0:17:00ones a couple nice ones eventually will

0:17:02maybe find them in lost and found in the

0:17:04case of her fleece it had been on the

0:17:05playground for a week and we found my

0:17:08wife walked past a a black fuzzy lump

0:17:11with dirt on it and that was the the

0:17:13fleece that my daughter was pretty sure

0:17:15she had left somewhere the missing

0:17:17police which was so we try different

0:17:19ones and i don't i don't have the golden

0:17:21please basically hm armed I and so what

0:17:28we did what I tried one I just think

0:17:29it's on a spark plug right just gonna

0:17:30try one out so I i look at some

0:17:33different ones and one of my

0:17:34frustrations my wife is not a big i sir

0:17:37I put a lot of ice in the thermos or

0:17:39that the thing because I figure what

0:17:41happens to things happen first of all

0:17:43whatever is in there will tend to get

0:17:45warm and when ice gets kind of warm it

0:17:49changes and it turns into water so

0:17:51there's a benefit of putting mostly a

0:17:53ton of ice in there and some water and

0:17:55with your average run-of-the-mill be- or

0:17:57so you know water conveyance that will

0:18:00turn into what is just cool water by the

0:18:02end of the day

0:18:03cool cool water cool water give me some

0:18:06water Mountain shot a man on the Mexican

0:18:09border

0:18:10eduardo de niro I and so just what I

0:18:14tried for fun because it had Batman on

0:18:17it and she wanted it was the thermos

0:18:19brand this is not an endorsement which

0:18:21are not endorsements

0:18:22I speak only for myself thermos brand

0:18:24thermos brand fun

0:18:26taner the thermos brand fun taner is a

0:18:30is a it's room what probably about two

0:18:35inches in diameter

0:18:36not-not-not a wide oh that was small but

0:18:38it but yeah but it's probably about

0:18:40eight inches high

0:18:41it's got a pop-top a little strong thing

0:18:42and had made of aluminum but with

0:18:45insulation it's related aluminum this is

0:18:48not yours is not your father's thermos

0:18:49by which i mean our thermos

0:18:51this is not a world-class that literally

0:18:53literally burly brake brakes planet rock

0:18:55now that this is a Batman thermos fun

0:18:58taner and you get it and the first day i

0:19:00had i'm gonna tell you the truth I put

0:19:01way too much ice in it i put the water

0:19:04in I kept it miraculously end of the

0:19:06first day of school she still has it

0:19:08I'm unloading her backpack full of

0:19:09garbage and take it out and guess what

0:19:12it's still half full of ice yeah till

0:19:15after six hours or so it's still had ice

0:19:20in it my endorsement is for you to try

0:19:22this thermos brand fun taner it varies

0:19:25in price based on whether it has put my

0:19:27little pony or Avengers or Batman or

0:19:28what have you but this is I can see the

0:19:31thermostat and feel good about it takes

0:19:32a beating up a little more for it but

0:19:35it's a it's a good thermos yeah i would

0:19:37put this in the small back

0:19:39it's a fun taylor and i like to this is

0:19:42a thing that we've been struggling to

0:19:43describe our what we provide people the

0:19:46service we provide people and i would

0:19:48like to maintain that it is that i would

0:19:50say it like that was in front ain haha

0:19:53ah huh containment all that really works

0:19:57for me it's really what we're doing here

0:19:59and yet the fun taner I mean what what

0:20:02is the podcast if not a fun taner for

0:20:04our in fun time you get one with the

0:20:05r2d2 Ninja Turtles princesses

0:20:09so yeah check that out i think it's i

0:20:11think it's a good one but you know

0:20:12you're going to get into this more as

0:20:14she goes places where neither of you are

0:20:17mhm and everything disappears it's all

0:20:21you are not interesting this is not fun

0:20:23this is not this is not fun tainment

0:20:24that the reality is that everything you

0:20:26buy goes away and the child has no idea

0:20:28that that it maybe even ever existed

0:20:31it might be lost and found you know it

0:20:33but no it just is she will and then one

0:20:36day she'll probably go for water bottles

0:20:38that she found well so I i send my

0:20:41daughter to school with the water

0:20:42bottles that we have collected from the

0:20:44XOXO festival nice and so she she sees

0:20:48XOXO as her that's her brand of water

0:20:52bottle

0:20:52did you did you have any problems with

0:20:54leakage there were some people on the

0:20:55entitlement channel and XOXO who are

0:20:57complaining about that the water bottles

0:20:59were leaking and they were all leakage

0:21:01their free water bottles were leaking

0:21:03get into it I can keep up um I felt

0:21:08like I feel like no that's a bet brand

0:21:11of water containment vehicle is is solid

0:21:15I'm not worried about it but i think the

0:21:17other thing is called clean teen is that

0:21:20the brand name don't know

0:21:22cancel that with friends yeah you know

0:21:24what that's one of the things that I'm

0:21:26most ashamed of him so bad at

0:21:27remembering brand thoughts on brands but

0:21:30a good friend of mine a very close

0:21:32friend of mine the other day showed up

0:21:33with a with a new thermos and it was a

0:21:41Stanley brand thermos

0:21:43that's a good-ass thermostat green the

0:21:45big green classic the big green class

0:21:47that's that's a fantastic i got life

0:21:49hacks on how to use one of those that is

0:21:50a great thermos

0:21:51yeah the thing is three feet tall it

0:21:53looks like a it looks like a howitzer

0:21:54shell and she plopped down in front of

0:21:57me she was like I got this the other day

0:21:59thought you might appreciate it and I

0:22:01was just like trying to contain the

0:22:04covetousness I felt for this giant

0:22:06thermos and it's just like I don't even

0:22:08care about your thermos and she was like

0:22:09I don't believe you

0:22:11I think that you like this thermostat

0:22:12was like no not interested actually

0:22:14frankly I was just gonna go drink some

0:22:16something out of a plastic water bottle

0:22:18don't care probably going to get about a

0:22:19second

0:22:20yeah she was like neener neener neener

0:22:22and then as soon as she left the room I

0:22:24was just all over this thermos checking

0:22:25it out with its little cup the cop you

0:22:28know what the key is you probably know

0:22:29see that here's the key to the green

0:22:31Stanley classic thermos is before you

0:22:34put your coffee in it you know to put in

0:22:35it

0:22:36well a lot water boiling water you put

0:22:39in boiling water you get this is physics

0:22:41John this is basic physics you fill that

0:22:43thing with fucking hot water and have it

0:22:45sit there for minutes minutes minutes

0:22:47minutes minutes what i want what i would

0:22:48do to turn what i would do for with the

0:22:50bed at night i would fill it with

0:22:51boiling water and close it in the

0:22:53morning you throw out the boiling water

0:22:54you put in your piping hot coffee

0:22:56you're gonna have coffee until 8pm wow

0:22:58maybe it's a little cool but but it's

0:23:01it's an outstanding the old-school

0:23:03thermoses old-school technology

0:23:05yeah well what was astonishing about it

0:23:07i was looking at was measuring it with

0:23:08my eyes you know and imagining how much

0:23:10coffee you could put in this thing you

0:23:13think I was alright well let's stick

0:23:15wall but it's got a handle in a cup

0:23:17yeah oh god it's so grand so I

0:23:19interrupted you no no I interrupted you

0:23:21because you and your dog

0:23:22you're on your way downtown to have

0:23:23father daughter day yeah daddy daughter

0:23:25day and it was great we went we saw the

0:23:27release of iron giant with new scenes in

0:23:30it

0:23:30outstanding i cried and cried it was

0:23:32great we have popcorn but you know even

0:23:34just well I Got News new scenes and iron

0:23:37giant like like scenes where they're on

0:23:39the planet the French plantation or

0:23:41something oh yeah it's like an

0:23:42apocalypse giant they there's two new

0:23:44things one of which you will hardly

0:23:46notice unless you're very familiar with

0:23:48the film and another of which depending

0:23:51on your own theories or reckons about

0:23:53the movie and in particular about the

0:23:55origin of the giant could change a lot

0:23:57it's pretty much exactly it clarifies

0:23:59what's up with the giant so like a cgi

0:24:03job and a hot walks onto the screen and

0:24:05tells you the back story of CGI Harrison

0:24:08Ford comes out and narrates it shoots

0:24:10him first and then explains we call him

0:24:13skinjobs uh-huh okay well that's

0:24:16exciting so long as they don't replace

0:24:18this one yet

0:24:19big screen i'ma tell you is this and

0:24:20like a spoil it for you but so you've

0:24:23seen this film for my favorite movies

0:24:25you know he's a teens scrapyard he goes

0:24:27and stays there

0:24:2837 minutes later he knocks on the door

0:24:29again you know and finally the giant end

0:24:31up spending the night sleeping outside

0:24:32remember Bogaerts goodbye him and leaves

0:24:35new scene all i'm going to say iron

0:24:39giant has a dream

0:24:41what yeah and it's broadcast on a TV

0:24:45inside the Dean is watching

0:24:47well we will see his dream because you

0:24:50know he's an electronic robot sure of

0:24:52course if you a fair if you want all

0:24:54sports well if I tell you was in the

0:24:55dream but did it did this is the

0:24:57question we've been asking for years the

0:24:59dream of electric sheep absolutely will

0:25:01you all we know we know he had the

0:25:02bumping his head which seem to make him

0:25:04forget that he may actually be a gun but

0:25:08then you remember at the end he knocks

0:25:11out that little because they start

0:25:13pulling guns on him and walks out that

0:25:15little bump and get so happy chappy with

0:25:17the gun stuff haha god what an

0:25:19outstanding movie

0:25:20oh my god what a good movie it was such

0:25:22a surprise the first time I saw her I

0:25:24was unprepared utterly unprepared for

0:25:25how good that movie was yep yep yep

0:25:27when and went into watching it with a

0:25:29kind of like of candor 3-nothing three

0:25:32syllables still make me cry

0:25:34super man breaks my heart and I you know

0:25:40what I bitch when i'm not actually

0:25:41sitting in front of the movie I bitch

0:25:43about the end because i think the ending

0:25:45in intellectually feels tacked on in my

0:25:49head the movie should stop at the point

0:25:51when they're hanging out and we see the

0:25:52Dean any other couple and they've got

0:25:55the statue and little whore says how he

0:25:58misses the Giant in my head that's where

0:26:00the movie should stop then of course it

0:26:02ends not spoil it for anyone but it ends

0:26:04with certain implications about what

0:26:06happened to the Giant and you know what

0:26:08every intellectual bone in my body just

0:26:09melts when I actually see that ending

0:26:12and eyeball and I think it's perfect

0:26:15this isn't about that war literally war

0:26:17with myself yeah you think about it i

0:26:18think about it after the fact that it

0:26:20doesn't comport with your your your

0:26:22narrative music is swelling and the

0:26:24camera is flying through and that dumb

0:26:26typeface HS says iceland and it's flying

0:26:28through and then you see the face you're

0:26:30like oh my god

0:26:32oh you want to cry right now this

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0:27:56one downtown we get off we go down and

0:27:59like you know just getting from

0:28:02Palestine station to the metreon it's

0:28:04like aa first one on the trip there

0:28:08there was a clearly what's the proper

0:28:12term no I schizophrenic man a man who

0:28:13got on the train and SAT right next to

0:28:15my daughter cross-legged on the floor

0:28:16pulling his hair and making a high

0:28:19pitched noise when he put his fingers in

0:28:20his ears like a guy who's obviously

0:28:21having like a schizophrenic episode like

0:28:23that's happening like right next to my

0:28:24kid she's super mellow about it we get

0:28:26off we see another guy trying to break a

0:28:28window with his elbow screaming at

0:28:29nobody

0:28:30we see another guy who's screening at

0:28:32tourists at the corner of or just

0:28:34passers-by at the corner of like mission

0:28:37and fifth and just just screaming and as

0:28:40we make our way past that we're about to

0:28:41make the turn you over to target and

0:28:43there's a man is an african-american man

0:28:45sobbing as he walks down the middle of

0:28:48Fifth Street like he's having some kind

0:28:50of an Old Testament experience like its

0:28:53I mean the kind of thing where like you

0:28:55you remember something like that from

0:28:56being a kid and seeing it once and she

0:28:58saw like four things like that in about

0:29:0015 minutes huh

0:29:01and that's that's what's happening on at

0:29:03the street level right now welcome to

0:29:05serve the local San Francisco's very

0:29:06fancy we got a lot of startups in a hell

0:29:09of a place and then of course the poop

0:29:10which is just literally everywhere so

0:29:12much billions and billions of dollars

0:29:14pouring into San Francisco but just

0:29:16every you every into up it's in it's

0:29:19being poured into buckets that just some

0:29:23people never see and the what happens

0:29:26when the money gets poured into those

0:29:27buckets that they don't see has

0:29:29invisible ramifications within weeks and

0:29:31months so now I mean let's put it all

0:29:35just put in one statement or make

0:29:36understand now why people are being

0:29:37evicted and that's changed everything

0:29:40so there's just--there's just notice is

0:29:42going up everywhere for like yeah well

0:29:44here's the thing i just decided to

0:29:45triple your red so you're right

0:29:46seventeen thousand dollars a month now

0:29:47and that's just the thing

0:29:49so you know three days quit that kind of

0:29:52thing so yeah it's happening everywhere

0:29:54I just saw a notice on a place down the

0:29:56street from where i am uh a three-day or

0:29:59quit notice for a guy who owes

0:30:01343 you send you the picture 343,000

0:30:05dollars in background on a place

0:30:07wow yeah so anyway that's happening

0:30:11here's a question for you this is where

0:30:13it gets back to the methadone see that

0:30:15there's something I've been thinking

0:30:16about i think when you're a person of

0:30:18one way to put it is like a fortunate

0:30:21person another way to put it might be a

0:30:23privileged person how everyone think of

0:30:24it like people who are not currently in

0:30:27a state of dire dress or who have never

0:30:29been faced with tiredness and duress

0:30:32tend to think kind of digitally like you

0:30:36think in terms of let's say haves and

0:30:37have-nots or you think of people who are

0:30:39upstanding citizens and junkies are you

0:30:41thinking all these terms that are very

0:30:42digital you think of like people who are

0:30:44criminals or you know citizens or

0:30:46however going to think about it and like

0:30:48I started thinking my head the phrase

0:30:49I'm not have never utter till this

0:30:51moment is like the ladder of desperation

0:30:53that there are so many as five not even

0:30:56a ladder is probably more than one axis

0:30:58but that's what I'm very interested in

0:31:01methadone because most of us who are

0:31:04whatever on the good side of that the

0:31:06white side of all those things look down

0:31:08and say oh here's the heroin addict that

0:31:10we saw in our health books in eighth

0:31:12grade we know about the heroin addict

0:31:14with who's addicted on the heroin and

0:31:17then over here you got the person who

0:31:18now has written a best-selling book

0:31:19about how they got a heroine or whatever

0:31:21but like the methadone is super

0:31:22interesting because it seems like that's

0:31:24on one of the lower rungs of the ladder

0:31:27of desperation but like what is what is

0:31:29methadone

0:31:30how does met the don't get introduced

0:31:31into a person's life do they want it

0:31:34are they glad they're having it are they

0:31:36are they happy they're off the heroin is

0:31:38methadone to just school me on this

0:31:40because i have never you going to get a

0:31:42cup of her first thing the vancouver you

0:31:44get your method down it emulate some of

0:31:46the effects of heroin without like what

0:31:50is the deal with methadone

0:31:51how does it feel in the life of somebody

0:31:54who is not currently taking heroin and

0:31:58methadone is a synthetic opioid

0:32:05and it's like so you've got your hair

0:32:10when you're on your up and down you're

0:32:12going to get high and then here then

0:32:17you're getting low

0:32:20you're not getting low and and you

0:32:23develop a kind of tolerance for the drug

0:32:27and you're not getting as high anymore

0:32:28begin lower and lower and you want to

0:32:34get off the heroin and so if you take

0:32:38the heroine away and don't you know just

0:32:42take it away they need then you have bad

0:32:45withdrawals and you see it is really

0:32:47like is it was just like trainspotting

0:32:48like you get extremely so you see a

0:32:50robot baby walking on the ceiling you do

0:32:54it's it's terrible and it's also

0:32:55physical like you can I mean you can die

0:32:58from withdrawals you can actually like

0:33:00it could be so bad i remember when i

0:33:02first heard i am all prime Angus a

0:33:04little bit the first hearing like yeah

0:33:06you know you can be psychologically

0:33:08addicted to marijuana you can be an

0:33:09alcoholic you can get addicted to

0:33:11cocaine but everybody says opioids and

0:33:13heroin is very different because I'm not

0:33:15the changes your cell structure but it

0:33:17does something physical to you where you

0:33:19do actually need heroin in order to not

0:33:22feel sick

0:33:23yeah yes the truest like the truest

0:33:25addiction and so what methadone does it

0:33:29goes in there you take it and it goes in

0:33:31there and it's like it's a kind of its

0:33:35slow steady it fills the it fills the

0:33:41whole you know what Phil it fills up the

0:33:45sickness like it keeps the sickness at

0:33:47bay but it doesn't get all the way to

0:33:51your not all the way to euphoria it just

0:33:54it just kind of fills in the low spots

0:33:57and lets you get on with your get on

0:34:01with getting on you're not you're not

0:34:04clean by any means but you're not you're

0:34:07not on the crazy up and down cycle and

0:34:09then the premise is that you can slowly

0:34:12reduce the amount of methadone until you

0:34:16are

0:34:17office and you can you know you can

0:34:20kinda can't slowly wean yourself off a

0:34:23heroine quite it's quite the same way

0:34:25but with hair with methadone you put in

0:34:26there and then you just over time start

0:34:29less and less and less and you can just

0:34:32sort of coast to the ground if you're

0:34:34also practicing the the premise that

0:34:37you're trying you know if you doing all

0:34:39the other hard work of trying to live in

0:34:42the straight world but a lot of people

0:34:45get on methadone and they just stay on

0:34:46for years because they never quite they

0:34:50don't actually want to quite coast to

0:34:52the all the way to the ground you know

0:34:54it's a it's a it's an interim there are

0:34:57a lot of schools of thought on this you

0:34:58want to get off a heroine in there you

0:35:01know there are those people that let go

0:35:02change themselves to a bed somewhere and

0:35:04say no matter what you hear come through

0:35:06this door don't open it don't unlock

0:35:08this door no matter what I say and then

0:35:11and you know that happens to a lot of

0:35:13people that get sent to jail right they

0:35:15they come down the hard way and then

0:35:18there's this other way which is like

0:35:20under the supervision of a clinic you

0:35:24kind of get the you get the the sink the

0:35:29slow coast but you have to be doing for

0:35:33to work you have to be doing all this

0:35:34other work you can't just go and get

0:35:37your and I've known a lot of people who

0:35:39go and get it must be behavioral and

0:35:41like just to hang with like there must

0:35:42be so many changes beyond just feeling

0:35:44of self sounds you're saying method down

0:35:46it fills up or ameliorate the the the

0:35:50extreme physical problems that not had

0:35:52taking heroin but it also it gives you

0:35:55take the edge off a little bit not as

0:35:57much as obviously getting the heroin but

0:35:58it's it's not fun but it'sit's something

0:36:02yeah i mean you know i think it's not i

0:36:07think it's not like super fun fun but

0:36:10it's but it's not you know you're not

0:36:15like getting the getting the mega mega

0:36:18fly who but but you don't but you can

0:36:21just sit in and take your methadone and

0:36:24and still like

0:36:27and still be living the life you know

0:36:29what I mean like maybe you're not maybe

0:36:31you're not shooting up but you are just

0:36:33you're you're you're also not on the

0:36:37straight and narrow and you know what

0:36:42so what I when I started thinking about

0:36:43is like why what is it about us where we

0:36:48want people to be on the straight and

0:36:50narrow

0:36:51what is it about what is it about us as

0:36:53a collective as a people that we as you

0:37:00say approach it with from such a digital

0:37:03binary idea right like the amount of

0:37:07money we poor and not just money but

0:37:10effort emotional effort like energy

0:37:13focus that we pour into the notion that

0:37:18um that we want people to get clean and

0:37:24in the meantime if they're not clean

0:37:29we're not going to provide any services

0:37:30to them

0:37:32we're going to exclude them from the

0:37:34from life we're going to push them onto

0:37:37the street

0:37:38we're going to record you know we're

0:37:39going to insist that that they be kept

0:37:42out such that they become criminal

0:37:45they're forced to rob to support their

0:37:48habits their living in squalor they're

0:37:51spreading disease and uh among

0:37:53themselves you know we absolutely

0:37:56exclude them if they are getting high

0:37:58and this isn't addressing the mental

0:38:01health problem which is which we

0:38:04approach in a similar vein yet

0:38:06absolutely where it's just like you are

0:38:08not taking your medication you are not

0:38:10you know undergoing treatment therefore

0:38:13you are absolutely excluded and then we

0:38:16we seem to be content we tisk tisk right

0:38:23but we are content to see people living

0:38:27it absolutely torturous lives in squalor

0:38:34and and you just

0:38:37cover I mean you see people every once

0:38:39in a while we just covered with sores

0:38:41yeah yeah we get that a lot here when

0:38:43the man math is math is pretty rough on

0:38:45a body all there's there the meth sores

0:38:48but there are the sores of like of

0:38:52complete hygiene failure right you know

0:38:55where you are where you're scratching

0:38:58yourself and then you get to get sores

0:39:01and and you know your you just are like

0:39:04it's almost medieval looking somebody

0:39:09walking through the center of of a

0:39:11wealthy prosperous city and you just

0:39:12have this person that seems like they're

0:39:14gonna like a leper

0:39:16yeah they're from a plague-ridden a time

0:39:19and it's all it all kind of comes back

0:39:23to the idea that we have as a like

0:39:26culturally which feels to me like a very

0:39:30Calvinist premise or a boar or Catholic

0:39:34one even yeah that's what I was gonna

0:39:36say yeah yeah you are you are out

0:39:40you do not accept our are with you or

0:39:44not you know he's done except the you're

0:39:48not saved and so therefore you are

0:39:51you're out and I think about like we

0:39:54have all this new energy which is which

0:39:59I think of his 20th century energy which

0:40:01is all these people who have decided

0:40:03that they are agnostics or atheists they

0:40:06are living in a world unburdened by by

0:40:13mythology and by the sort of what they

0:40:18imagine is this you know this link

0:40:21prehistoric dumbness like they finally

0:40:24they've read Nietzsche and they have a

0:40:28they've been to college they've worked

0:40:30at a software place for a while and they

0:40:34are above all this and they can see with

0:40:36clarity but we're still none of us

0:40:40saying can we eliminate this

0:40:44this is binary notion that you either

0:40:48that successful people deserve their

0:40:51success because they worked hard and the

0:40:54ones that don't work hard deserve their

0:40:57squalor or successful people deserve

0:41:01their success because of whatever other

0:41:04conditions you put on it but there are

0:41:06all these people that just like if they

0:41:08don't if they can't if they can't get up

0:41:10in the morning and and make it to their

0:41:12minimum wage job then fuck them

0:41:15it's it's it's a it's crazy and it's too

0:41:19bad that atheism has attached itself to

0:41:22libertarianism so closely although maybe

0:41:26there may be there there's their clothes

0:41:30their brethren the philosophical

0:41:32brethren and so I guess it makes sense

0:41:34but you would you would hope that they

0:41:36would be a kind of compassionate version

0:41:39of this humanistic thought that where

0:41:43that we've spent the last hundred years

0:41:44kind of working

0:41:47yeah every and every off-the-shelf

0:41:50explanation that i can come up with for

0:41:53why we allow this to go on or why we

0:41:55allow it to feel OK or well get this in

0:41:59a second comes from in my head traces

0:42:04back unintentionally unconsciously to

0:42:07some kind of this is not a slam against

0:42:11religion but it but it is it does go

0:42:13back to the ideas of religious

0:42:15fundamentalism of various sorts from

0:42:18another time and I'm that could be

0:42:20something from a hundred years ago that

0:42:22could be something from hundreds of

0:42:23years ago on the one hand there's a

0:42:26certain kind of basic tribalism where if

0:42:28there's somebody who is the other in our

0:42:29tribe who is not contributing I think

0:42:32there's a very natural reaction of

0:42:34saying that mean whether the other for a

0:42:36reason like either they're marked or you

0:42:39know what I mean they've received the

0:42:40mark there like they're bad news

0:42:42they've got their left-handed or where

0:42:44they done something to deserve this like

0:42:46God knows why they're this way i'm not

0:42:48saying religious people today believe

0:42:50this i'm saying this is the result of a

0:42:52certain kind of toxic religious

0:42:54socio-political connection over hundreds

0:42:57of years that word

0:42:58not entirely comfortable admitting still

0:42:59exists to some extent

0:43:01um so one of those is that person is the

0:43:04way they are because reasons and that's

0:43:07way beyond what we need to understand

0:43:08here but obviously there's a reason why

0:43:10that's the way it is an eye on the way

0:43:11that I am I think that's one really

0:43:13basic one and there's another one

0:43:15there's a reason that's right there's a

0:43:17reason but it's got maybe God's reason

0:43:19and we don't always understand God's

0:43:20reasons but these things do happen as we

0:43:23see around us every day there's a reason

0:43:24why everything happens the way it is

0:43:25otherwise it wouldn't happen the way it

0:43:27does so my my good fortune is explained

0:43:29by the fact that god likes me and their

0:43:31good fortune is explained by the bad

0:43:33fortune is explained by the fact that

0:43:34they're marked for some reason but then

0:43:36you get into other kinds of things that

0:43:37I think you don't have to look back more

0:43:39than a hundred or a couple hundred years

0:43:40to see and and one of those is that why

0:43:43can't we why can't we have more than a

0:43:44digital opinion about this how can we

0:43:46let people like like continue to live

0:43:49like that

0:43:50I think it's it there's there's

0:43:53something like why do we have to put

0:43:56them in jail is one like why is it that

0:43:58we can't help these people and there's I

0:44:01don't I can't trace it to any specific

0:44:02religion or denomination exactly with

0:44:06without being overly dramatic but I i

0:44:09think there is something to saying that

0:44:11if this person wanted to be saved they

0:44:14know the path like they have chosen like

0:44:17let's say they had bad fortune right now

0:44:19maybe looked in smile on them while they

0:44:20that ample opportunities to understand

0:44:22how to be part of our culture and

0:44:24because there's something a

0:44:26fundamentally wrong with them

0:44:27probably but B also that they were they

0:44:30refuse to convert em they are living on

0:44:35the streets and in the condition because

0:44:37they because they haven't converted and

0:44:39if they converted we would be able to

0:44:41help them

0:44:42it's just that there maybe they have

0:44:44weak character maybe they you know

0:44:46whatever but even if you're a slightly

0:44:47more advanced idiot you would look at

0:44:49that and go where there's still a reason

0:44:51why that's the way they are and and

0:44:53really you can come all the way up into

0:44:55the say no to drugs era to show just the

0:44:58fundamental misunderstandings about how

0:45:00we treat people and we're talking about

0:45:02here we're talking about disease from

0:45:03poverty we're talking about class we're

0:45:05talking about drug abuse or substance

0:45:07abuse for large but I mean they would

0:45:10take five shows to talk about this but

0:45:11there

0:45:11as part of my gut that goes you change

0:45:14just a couple dates and nouns and titles

0:45:17in this and it really does it sounds a

0:45:19lot like something from the sixteen

0:45:20hundreds that this person she cannot be

0:45:23allowed to be part of this group because

0:45:25because they have not converted to what

0:45:28the group needs them to do

0:45:30therefore they are now the other and

0:45:32they are dangerous and spending

0:45:34resources on them would not only be a

0:45:36waste of the resources but it would be

0:45:38antithetical to the laws that govern how

0:45:42we work together

0:45:43yeah where I mean we are a we're still

0:45:48Charlemagne taking the Saxons down to

0:45:50the river and a and cutting off their

0:45:54heads if they don't if they don't do the

0:45:59do the one right version of of life that

0:46:04we have that we have in mind and and and

0:46:07the this the you know secular humanism

0:46:10has not done away with that idea so I

0:46:13Drive past this methadone clinic and I

0:46:15start to imagine i start to imagine a

0:46:21world in which we say if you want to do

0:46:24heroin that's fine and we have

0:46:29determined through exhaustive studies

0:46:31that the amount of money it what what

0:46:35what masks in some what is that the

0:46:38amount of money we spend on this whole

0:46:43problem its disbursed among thousands of

0:46:49sort of organizations that don't really

0:46:51communicate with each other and we're

0:46:52not able to say that the cost of the war

0:46:58on drugs let's call it is not just the

0:47:03amount of money that we pay Coast Guard

0:47:06to go out and interdict boats that are

0:47:10coming in to the from the bahamas like

0:47:13we can we can put a cost on the war on

0:47:15drugs in terms of like cost a lot of

0:47:17money for those c-130 is to be flying

0:47:19over central america with their downward

0:47:21looking radar

0:47:22but but the cost of the war on drugs is

0:47:25actually like also all of these

0:47:27ambulances and that we are constantly

0:47:30schlepping people back and forth from

0:47:31emergency rooms all the all the the jail

0:47:34time all the cops just focused on drug

0:47:38problems all of the costs of Breaking

0:47:42and Entering and purse snatching and you

0:47:47know and just like you you there's no

0:47:50way to look at what the real costs are

0:47:53but you can do can get close if you just

0:47:56expand your vision and say like holy

0:47:59shit this is bleeding us in a way and

0:48:02also not solving the problem so okay you

0:48:06want to do heroin you're a person who's

0:48:08like discovered heroin and it feels good

0:48:10and that's the first problem we don't

0:48:14like people to feel good but so here's

0:48:18what here's what we have for you we have

0:48:19a we have this we have a farm beautiful

0:48:22farm big farm and it encompasses

0:48:25hundreds of acres there are a lot we

0:48:29built lots of buildings there and it's

0:48:31heroin farm and you go there and you

0:48:35year you're on heroin there and we don't

0:48:39ask you to pay any money we don't we

0:48:45don't require that you do anything

0:48:46you're a living person and you can go to

0:48:51this place and be on heroin and you know

0:48:54there there's enough of a medical staff

0:48:56there that we you know we don't let you

0:48:58die

0:49:01although you know this is a kind of it's

0:49:04a form of being away

0:49:07you're certainly a way but the cost of

0:49:09maintaining this for what is really a

0:49:13pretty small proportion of people who

0:49:15want to be on heroin

0:49:16it's just worth it

0:49:19it's just worth it for us that you not

0:49:22be

0:49:24it's where this fort worth it for us

0:49:27that you not be causing problems in in

0:49:30the in the town but it's also like this

0:49:33is much easier going to be on heroin

0:49:34anyway if you're living in a tent

0:49:36other under the freeway or if you're

0:49:37living in this hotel discount it's just

0:49:41kind of like bunny Colvin's was going to

0:49:42amsterdam in the lawyer

0:49:44it's a little hamster Danny butBut

0:49:46Hamsterdam you know still or about

0:49:48selling and consuming it just kept going

0:49:50and kept the squalor from from like

0:49:55infecting the city that was it was more

0:49:57of a containment unit will take it out

0:49:59of the high-rises and moving over to

0:50:00Hamsterdam and now you do what you want

0:50:02in this you know on this island of lost

0:50:05souls and you will not get arrested

0:50:07yeah and but but also what it does is

0:50:10you know there's a huge thing about drug

0:50:12addicts right is that they have they're

0:50:15not they do share a lot of

0:50:17characteristics with one another and

0:50:19some of those characteristics are like

0:50:22alcoholics and drug addicts are selfish

0:50:25people and they are there egotistical

0:50:29people like it there's a there's a lot

0:50:31of commonality that's why Alcoholics

0:50:32Anonymous works is because they have

0:50:35identified the fact that every single

0:50:37alcoholic and drug addict feels like

0:50:39they're special person they really all

0:50:40do

0:50:41I'm there's a kind of there's a there's

0:50:44a there's a Colorado a lot of

0:50:47commonality in the way that alcoholics

0:50:50and drug addicts think which is what

0:50:53makes it seem like a spiritual disease

0:50:56and it's why we despise them so much

0:50:59right because because very seldom does a

0:51:02person of you know of

0:51:05true humility become a raging alcoholic

0:51:08either the alcohol turns them into an

0:51:11asshole or they were an asshole to begin

0:51:13with and that's something that fit that

0:51:14even in even in AAA meetings there's a

0:51:16lot of debate about you know where you

0:51:18an asshole and then you were you born an

0:51:21asshole and then became an alcoholic

0:51:22because that's what happens or like the

0:51:24huge douche bags and business

0:51:26development and it seems like i was

0:51:28intended for the other right right

0:51:30which game started actually gonna be a

0:51:31first and so that's part of the reason

0:51:34that we don't want to that we can't

0:51:36imagine just caring for them somewhere

0:51:39because because they infuriate us like

0:51:43each individual alcoholic comes from a

0:51:45family that they have infuriated to the

0:51:47point that they've been kicked out every

0:51:49junkie

0:51:49is already infuriating before they

0:51:51became a junkie but so if you if you if

0:51:54if you built this farm and you're like

0:51:56you want to go sit and sit on a couch

0:51:58all day and not off

0:51:59um you know yeah that's fine we'll have

0:52:02TVs there three squares a day it's going

0:52:06to cost money it costs the town money to

0:52:10sustain you there but and it's very hard

0:52:15for some people in the town to imagine

0:52:17that you guys are out here eating three

0:52:18series and an intolerable just

0:52:21intelligent it's going to drive them to

0:52:22absolute distraction what did you do to

0:52:24deserve this there are people working

0:52:26hard wish i could sit around and be

0:52:27addicted to heroin all the sure why the

0:52:29fuck would you know why can't I be

0:52:31addicted to heroin and said and the

0:52:32thing is you can its open enrollment and

0:52:36and what you discover is that people

0:52:38don't want to 99.9 percent of the people

0:52:42do not want to be addicted to heroin

0:52:43sitting on a cash nodding off they just

0:52:45don't if you said it's free and you can

0:52:47do it

0:52:48most people wouldn't include you know

0:52:50including some junkies they go out there

0:52:53they lived for a year they'd be like wow

0:52:54this is amazing and then they too would

0:52:58say you take away the the you take away

0:53:03the thrill of persecution you take away

0:53:06the from all the energy of the hunt and

0:53:11the feeling of being hunted and that's

0:53:15the thing that we never talk about its

0:53:17apparent it's very hard to talk about

0:53:19the feeling that that I had as an

0:53:21alcoholic and and the thing that was

0:53:23sort of propelling me toward a life on

0:53:26the street which is which was a big part

0:53:29of my early twenties like you know I was

0:53:32dancing with the idea of being a street

0:53:37person types i spent a lot of time sort

0:53:40of seeking out the wisdom of the alley

0:53:43and wondering whether or not i belong

0:53:46there

0:53:47and a big part of it was this idea of

0:53:50like the truth of it the and that when

0:53:56we talk about from a public health

0:53:58standpoint we talk about junkies and

0:53:59alcoholics and we think particularly

0:54:01problematic street ones and these are

0:54:03not this is separate from mental health

0:54:05programs which is very difficult to do

0:54:07but you know to have the conversation

0:54:09you have separated

0:54:10yeah there's a lot of overlap but a big

0:54:13part of that big part of that overlap is

0:54:16like you know how many of what we're at

0:54:21what point do these ideas trend over

0:54:23into mental illness and it isn't a clear

0:54:28there isn't a clear line between bipolar

0:54:312 and bipolar one you know there isn't a

0:54:34clear line there's a clear the

0:54:36schizophrenia is like okay yeah

0:54:38hello you are having a full-on

0:54:41schizophrenic episode but the bass

0:54:44player of Rage Against the Machine

0:54:46believes that we did not land on the

0:54:48moon so much that he is willing to

0:54:51confront Buzz Aldrin in the public

0:54:53square and yell at him about the fact

0:54:56the fact that we faked the moon landing

0:54:58and if he believes so strongly that we

0:55:00faked the moon landing he has to believe

0:55:02in whole castle of prior notions about

0:55:08what the world how the world is actually

0:55:10transacted that we faked the moon

0:55:13landing right then he also believes that

0:55:15we have that there's a secret great

0:55:18government that is in thrall to who

0:55:20knows what but is he is gets a frantic

0:55:22he sounds like one but he's the bass

0:55:25player of Rage Against the Machine and

0:55:26he lives in a house and he has money and

0:55:28you know like where-- where is the line

0:55:30between him and a guy who's standing on

0:55:31the street corner pulling his hair

0:55:32saying then we break the mold landing

0:55:34right so but but

0:55:38so the idea of like and and junkies

0:55:41aside like we've still we have one here

0:55:43in Seattle a housing complex for chronic

0:55:48alcoholics where they are allowed to

0:55:49drink

0:55:51and we and we finally built it because

0:55:55it was just like these guys we they're

0:55:58released from the emergency room they go

0:55:59immediately to the first package store

0:56:01and bottle up by a bottle of md 2020 and

0:56:04there then they're passed out again in a

0:56:07dumpster in the back in the emergency

0:56:08room 24 hours

0:56:10yeah let's just put them let's just put

0:56:12them all in a building we did and it's

0:56:13been an amazing success but there's a

0:56:17waiting list thousand years for this

0:56:18thing so what do you do if you just what

0:56:22happens if you build a really nice for

0:56:24you take over some old Catholic retreat

0:56:26or some old high school somewhere and

0:56:27you just say this is going to be a place

0:56:29where people can just go

0:56:30the downstairs is going to be a bier

0:56:32stube and it's and it's not going to be

0:56:36squalid we're going to clean it up we're

0:56:38gonna have TVs that are playing sports

0:56:40ball and you can come and there's just

0:56:43beer there's just free beer beer is

0:56:45cheap to make and there's lots and lots

0:56:47of shitty beer that beer companies would

0:56:49donate and just remove the and again all

0:56:53the outcry all I'd like to just sit

0:56:55around all day and drink beer will find

0:56:56here it is

0:56:57you know like go for it you have a you

0:57:00have a sort of monastic sell you don't

0:57:02have a lot of form to go to the soup

0:57:03kitchen

0:57:04it's just that you would probably prefer

0:57:05to go somewhere else yeah right and you

0:57:07would prefer ultimately not to live in a

0:57:10universe very small room with a bathroom

0:57:12down the hall and just getting our drink

0:57:14assumptions behind stuff that we rarely

0:57:18prod at 22 much so and I mean that I

0:57:22guess the closest thing I think I'm

0:57:23afraid like you know sunk cost fallacy

0:57:24you know it would be a dishonor to all

0:57:27the people who died in iraq and

0:57:29afghanistan to get out of Iraq and

0:57:30Afghanistan haha right you know

0:57:34yeah oh yeah it was it would dishonor

0:57:36them so much all the people all the

0:57:38people who died in this in this in this

0:57:40horrible war we have to show them honor

0:57:42by having more people die in this

0:57:44horrible war and this also you know

0:57:46there's a less emotional versions of

0:57:48this with things like you know there's

0:57:49this car that I probably should have

0:57:51sold five years ago and now I have to

0:57:53decide whether to put a new timing belt

0:57:56well you know I just got the air

0:57:57conditioning fixed a couple months ago I

0:57:59should probably get the timing belt

0:58:00fixed on the one hand that makes a lot

0:58:02of sense on the other hand that's really

0:58:03not race

0:58:04possible so you know if you go in you go

0:58:07like look at I mean it's in this really

0:58:09is kind of like the wire writ large in a

0:58:11lot of ways my studies that phrase writ

0:58:12large now but but you know you think

0:58:14about everything we poured into this and

0:58:16what the stakes are too it not going

0:58:17well the last thing in the world you're

0:58:19going to do is have a beer stoop in with

0:58:21with donated beer for for people who

0:58:23don't quote unquote deserve it because

0:58:25like we have a lot invested there's a

0:58:28lot of a lot of our own history and

0:58:31dignity invested in this idea of this

0:58:33thing being a terrible thing all of

0:58:35those planes that were using and all of

0:58:37those those resources are being used to

0:58:39fight this war without asking the really

0:58:42dumb John Rother a question of like well

0:58:43you know what if what if this work

0:58:46what if we hadn't made this into a

0:58:48criminal enterprise we look at that as a

0:58:50criminal enterprise now but why was

0:58:53heroin illegal because we don't like

0:58:54chinese people that's why heroines

0:58:56illegal right let's let's go way back to

0:58:58work why a whole bunch of stuff is

0:59:00illegal because white guys didn't like

0:59:02the people who are doing it and then now

0:59:04today now well how are we doing with

0:59:07that so you know but then there's the

0:59:10one phase which is like how do you talk

0:59:11people out of the criminality of all

0:59:13this stuff and saying like well maybe

0:59:14there should be a crime but the other

0:59:16the other shoe that goes with that other

0:59:18foot isn't what we then how do we treat

0:59:20these people as human beings if we

0:59:22decided they're not actually criminals

0:59:23both of which require a lot of walking

0:59:25back on previous philosophies and a lot

0:59:29of essentially eating crow about

0:59:32something that used to have a real

0:59:33strong feeling about the night there's

0:59:35not that many people in position of

0:59:36power who want to be the one to put up

0:59:38the bierstube right right well like for

0:59:41instance we have made we have made pot

0:59:44legal here now you can go into a pot

0:59:48store show your ID that you are 18 i

0:59:52guess or 21 I don't know what the

0:59:53I've never been into one of these things

0:59:55i would go to fucking gross a spot store

0:59:57but if you want to

0:59:57but if you want to

1:00:00you can go in and and they're not gross

1:00:02they're clean and and they're beautiful

1:00:05and the amount the number of pots they

1:00:07have exceeds the number of pops that you

1:00:11could imagine and because pot technology

1:00:15has you know has had all these years 40

1:00:18years of people crossbreeding pots there

1:00:22are now I think the general level of

1:00:26stoney stoney pneus in the pots is like

1:00:31Ludacris right i mean what even when I

1:00:33was in high school and college they were

1:00:36still you can buy shake right you can

1:00:38sit around roll a joint out of some

1:00:40shake smoke pot all afternoon and get a

1:00:43kind of hazy cool buzz where you could

1:00:46you know a trick in light beer

1:00:48I mean it's not it's a pivoting light

1:00:50beer and like you know shotgunning

1:00:53everclear yeah but even more i know i

1:00:56mean though the idea of the

1:00:57quote-unquote one hit shit when I was in

1:00:58college vs now I can't even imagine the

1:01:01parents know I look at people who are

1:01:03baked now and I go I know how baked you

1:01:06are and I've been that baked but i'm not

1:01:10even sure i have right like I he

1:01:12wouldn't remember it back in back 20

1:01:15years ago when I quit smoking pot I had

1:01:17smoked all the crazy University of

1:01:19Washington you know let laboratory pot I

1:01:23had smoked the mountains and perfect i

1:01:28had smoked the top shelf shit in

1:01:30Amsterdam all the you know the northern

1:01:34lights and all the like I had sought out

1:01:37and found the gnarliest shit including

1:01:39some black cash that I smoked in a in

1:01:43tarifa spain which literally made me

1:01:47feel like I was levitating above my own

1:01:50body in a hotel room in tarifa by I had

1:01:54this you know like this experience where

1:01:57I could not believe it i was speaking to

1:02:00mother Mary and she was speaking back to

1:02:02me and I was floating above my body and

1:02:06laughing with joy

1:02:08but i don't i think you could probably

1:02:10get that high off a pot that you buy

1:02:12interest in just a store now I think

1:02:14it's the it is to chronic it has become

1:02:18insane and they need to scale it back

1:02:20they need to breed some pot 44 olds they

1:02:25need to breathe some pot for chill

1:02:27people who just want to smoke some weed

1:02:29like 32 pot some 32 pot exactly but in

1:02:32any case so we have these parts stores

1:02:34but we have very very we have a lot of

1:02:38rules about them and one of the crucial

1:02:40rules is no smoking pot at the pot store

1:02:44it's not a pot cafe it's a pot story by

1:02:47the pot it's a package store then you

1:02:49take the pot away and we used to have

1:02:52liquor stores in Washington which were

1:02:53not bars obviously buy liquor in this

1:02:56grocery store you can't drink it there

1:02:57but there are also bars where you buy

1:03:01liquor and you drink them

1:03:03uh-huh you drink the liquors because you

1:03:06want to do that with other people you

1:03:07don't want to just take your your bottle

1:03:09back to your SRO it's your harmful right

1:03:13right but we don't because first of all

1:03:16we've made it illegal to smoke in public

1:03:18and pot is illegal is split smoke like

1:03:23tobacco but I swear to you

1:03:27ninety percent of the people who are

1:03:29buying pot want to open it right there

1:03:32sit down at a at a picnic table in a

1:03:35kind of dark place order coffee roll a

1:03:39joint smoke it and watch the music video

1:03:43for division bell live

1:03:46Pink Floyd mega lightshow guitar solo

1:03:50wake fest they want to just watch that

1:03:54and trip out but not at home they want

1:03:58to be sitting at a table having a copy

1:03:59and somebody comes over like a man we

1:04:01smoking

1:04:02you're like a good sum sum of this book

1:04:04in maui wowie man what do you got

1:04:06ooh you know did they just want to be

1:04:08around people but that's illegal you

1:04:11cannot chill

1:04:12basically we have made it so you can

1:04:14chill

1:04:16and why I mean I understand from a

1:04:21public health standpoint you know

1:04:23because the people that are serving

1:04:25coffee in this place would be exposed to

1:04:27secondhand smoke and that violates all

1:04:29of these municipal codes that we've

1:04:33established which I agree with right I'd

1:04:35when they took cigarettes out of rock

1:04:37clubs it improved my life a thousand

1:04:40percent as a performing artist right you

1:04:43stand up on the stage and people aren't

1:04:45blowing Winston's in your face and

1:04:49you're like fuck this is amazing why did

1:04:51we do this a thousand years ago but in

1:04:54the in that process we also made it

1:04:55illegal for people to go to have a bar

1:04:57that's like called smoking bar where

1:05:01everybody in there just wants to smoke

1:05:02the bartender wants to smoke you know

1:05:04but that we we've eliminated that from

1:05:06contention you cannot choose to do that

1:05:09now you guys think you can study that

1:05:10San Francisco if its owner operated oh

1:05:13yes yes smoking the smoking is actually

1:05:15an employment health lock interesting so

1:05:18you can choose i don't know it's still

1:05:21the case but in there couple bars

1:05:22there's a place called Amber in the

1:05:23castro really fun bar there was a

1:05:25smoking place and then not the chieftain

1:05:27but what the other places but no that's

1:05:30still pretty rare

1:05:32you can smoke weed before you can smoke

1:05:33a cigarette and a bar here

1:05:35yeah well and so and I do I smell weed

1:05:37in bars now moral and I smell weed

1:05:39everywhere now

1:05:40Oh God but what if you just if you know

1:05:43if you just said like we are going to

1:05:46build a bier stube down in the south end

1:05:50of town

1:05:51it's going to be 40,000 square feet a

1:05:56giant hall it's going to it's going to

1:05:58look like look like a beer hall in

1:06:01munich except instead of pretzels

1:06:04we're going to serve a kitten pieces of

1:06:09wedding cake or whatever it is that

1:06:11donors one right they want something

1:06:14they want like chocolate pudding and I

1:06:17don't you know I mountain dew I don't

1:06:19it's been so long since I've been a

1:06:20stoner I don't even remember what you

1:06:21want SpaghettiOs

1:06:23I don't know but we're going to just

1:06:25have it is gonna be psychedelic music

1:06:27playing or reggae

1:06:28then and you can just get baked and

1:06:34their couches and stuff like that place

1:06:36would be jammed

1:06:38yeah but we just can't picture it and

1:06:42and then you amp that up and say like no

1:06:45that's going to be that's going to be

1:06:46booze but it's going to be free to be

1:06:50free booze is going to be shitty

1:06:52probably maybe not maybe it'll be fine

1:06:56I mean but it's gonna be there's gonna

1:06:58be just enough it's going to require a

1:07:00commitment on your part like I don't

1:07:04know if the commitment is you have to

1:07:05live there

1:07:06I feel like you shouldn't even have to

1:07:08live there i feel like there should be

1:07:09there should be a farm was just like

1:07:12free beer farm i think people in America

1:07:16don't like feeling like they're being

1:07:18tricked or bamboozled and i think one

1:07:21reason people would be against anything

1:07:23like that is because it feels like a con

1:07:25it feels like it's not fair it feels

1:07:27like everybody else has to go out and

1:07:28work for a living why should these

1:07:29people get to do that and it's it's it's

1:07:32comes from the kind of person who is

1:07:33summer or somewhere between a child and

1:07:36a parent in their in their mentality

1:07:39about the about the planet there there

1:07:44there enough of a child to worry about

1:07:45whether everything is just and therefore

1:07:48the parent to worry about whether it's

1:07:50everything is unjust right i don't know

1:07:53i'm not putting that well but people

1:07:55anything if you actually truly cared

1:07:56about people you would worry less about

1:07:58appearances and your own personal

1:08:00feelings about it and worry more about

1:08:02how you can actually accomplish

1:08:03something that's a little daring even if

1:08:05it seems a little bit unusual like if if

1:08:08if a billionaire

1:08:09let's say Elon Musk Elon Musk is a great

1:08:12example the billionaire here he is Elon

1:08:14Musk he's he's working on a Hyperloop

1:08:17train he's working on a spaceship

1:08:20he's working on I saw a tesla today this

1:08:23is that if I thought Tesla today with a

1:08:26Deadhead sticker on cadillac no I saw a

1:08:28tesla

1:08:29with those you know those little batons

1:08:32with the with your football team flag

1:08:34that you put on the back window of your

1:08:36car picking up above the car yeah that's

1:08:38a terrific you have those down to san

1:08:40francisco i'm guessing I'm sure

1:08:42usually you don't know giant usually you

1:08:45can see them honor on a blazer that has

1:08:49maybe 26 inch rims but I saw them flying

1:08:53on a Tesla today and I was just like wow

1:08:56right before yesterday's have this

1:08:58installed at the factory just put this

1:09:00on yourself it's like having a Mercedes

1:09:02or BMW

1:09:03ya see how I can get our market flags

1:09:05and stuff no no you have to buy it's the

1:09:07seahawks branded one it's like it's like

1:09:09the old eddie bauer ford explorer comes

1:09:12with the it's embroidered on the seats

1:09:13they sell that for pretty but they're

1:09:16cutting on the fact that i'm talking

1:09:18about manager but uh but so you on

1:09:22mosques sitting there in his office is

1:09:24trying to make the world better by

1:09:25building may get mega a

1:09:28technology-driven spoilage on what he's

1:09:31doing this I think that he probably

1:09:33right now has an IV and it's got vitamin

1:09:36b complex it's got some sort of maybe

1:09:41some like Hitler speed IC is getting a

1:09:45very very tiny salad from the future

1:09:47that none of us have heard about I think

1:09:49I don't think he does with well yeah but

1:09:51like environmental chopsticks made out

1:09:54of like we recover titanium chopsticks

1:09:57that light up that also convert C water

1:09:59to fresh water

1:10:00thank you but so for your salad work

1:10:04there is he's sitting there with his

1:10:06chopsticks he's got he's talking to

1:10:08scarlett johansson except she's just a

1:10:11model of scarlett o'hara and he says

1:10:16scarlet you know i'm making all these

1:10:18big projects i'm sending it i'm sending

1:10:20sending like drones all-around

1:10:23harvesting you know that I i I've

1:10:26invented a drone that fulfills the role

1:10:28of a bee in the almond industry so we

1:10:32don't need bees we don't up my

1:10:34chopsticks are making water so we don't

1:10:36need water

1:10:36what is my next project what do you

1:10:39think hologram of scarlett johansson and

1:10:41scarlett johansson goes

1:10:42that's a very interesting question he'll

1:10:44on your turn me on you could the little

1:10:50max headroom like wow and then she says

1:10:55why don't you build why don't you build

1:10:57a sin farm

1:10:58why don't you build a pleasure farm out

1:11:00in the desert where people can just go

1:11:03and it's a little bit

1:11:05it's like the pits like the Polish post

1:11:07office in gdansk before huh

1:11:10it's an extra territorial space where we

1:11:17mean we're not violating any laws but

1:11:20it's it's a chicken farm let's say it

1:11:24would be inconvenient as a boat because

1:11:26you could get a ship and go out into

1:11:27international waters

1:11:29that's a lot of overhead for people who

1:11:30don't have a place to live for a job

1:11:32yeah and it's but that's for you know

1:11:33that's where 17 level Satan's only mm

1:11:37thanks I mean that's for but then we're

1:11:40talking about what we're talking about

1:11:42is a hey a place where even a even a

1:11:45first-level like magic users are first

1:11:50level druid first level through is our

1:11:52first level mage who can go and just sit

1:11:56in a big picnic table in the bierstube

1:11:58drink some free beer smoke some ganj

1:12:01maybe across the campus there's a place

1:12:04where you can you can shoot up and be a

1:12:07and not offer take it sounds a little

1:12:09bit like almost like a miniature kind of

1:12:11disney world is different areas to the

1:12:12park with themes

1:12:14yeah right there's there's old west end

1:12:15to be replaced the old west horse town

1:12:17where everyone's doing heroin right if

1:12:20you've got the obviously you've got the

1:12:21old Jonathan Antin beer hall area with

1:12:24with your stupid minute

1:12:25yeah the problem the problem I think is

1:12:27that it would become us it would become

1:12:28a destination for people around the

1:12:30world

1:12:31I like people besides pop or and

1:12:33deranged people want to go there

1:12:34well just like yeah people from Germany

1:12:36be like that sounds good

1:12:38you know it would kind of have to be a

1:12:39movement where you would wear every town

1:12:42would have a place every every you they

1:12:46would be you know they'd be a new idea

1:12:51in in the culture where it's just like

1:12:53instead of

1:12:54rehab facilities I mean the thing is

1:12:57that if you want to get off heroin and

1:13:01you are at one of these sin farms we

1:13:06would also locate our methadone clinic

1:13:08there and so if you want to reenter

1:13:12society those facilities would be there

1:13:15too if you want to get sober if you want

1:13:17to go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings

1:13:19if you want to rejoin society we know

1:13:24those facilities are here and we

1:13:26encourage it but again your choice if

1:13:30you don't you can go back down to the

1:13:32lounge and and so what we're going to do

1:13:38so we're going to stop trying to get you

1:13:39to get clean by making you inhuman and

1:13:45we're going to we're gonna offer you the

1:13:48opportunity to get clean if that's what

1:13:49you want and if you lost Elon Elon Musk

1:13:55right well i think this has gone past

1:13:56you on we have to go back to like we

1:13:59have to go back to introducing this

1:14:00conversation into the public sphere

1:14:02where it becomes a kind of like you know

1:14:05what we've tried everything nothing has

1:14:07worked

1:14:09we're still it's 2015 and we are still

1:14:13dealing with drugs and alcohol as though

1:14:18it's a as though it's a moral crisis and

1:14:23you know we've taken away now talking

1:14:26about the mental health side of things

1:14:28like we have we no longer provide for

1:14:31people who cannot live him in within

1:14:35normal Collins quote unquote normal

1:14:39culture we what we've eliminated all

1:14:41services for them we won't house them

1:14:43anymore

1:14:44we won't we don't care for them who

1:14:47people that just need to be maintained

1:14:50you know that the Kennedy sister lived

1:14:55in in an institution whole life the one

1:14:58that they gave all right bottom right

1:15:01yeah but if you can't if you're not a

1:15:04Kennedy if you can't afford to be in a

1:15:06for pee institution we're just

1:15:08gonna let you go out on the street and

1:15:09fend for yourself and and too bad for

1:15:13you

1:15:14that's the best the fallout from from

1:15:17deciding that that some people were in

1:15:20voluntarily institutionalized now all

1:15:22the people that should be

1:15:23institutionalized we're just gonna

1:15:24that's all done and we have to ask the

1:15:27insurance companies and the insurance

1:15:29companies came back and said sorry had a

1:15:30precondition existing condition so it so

1:15:34you're going to be picking at your scabs

1:15:36and throwing your poet people

1:15:37yeah that's what that's what we've

1:15:40decided so you know there's just there

1:15:43is a need within human life for a place

1:15:47for 44 there's a need with for the idea

1:15:52that some people can't care for

1:15:54themselves and and we don't and we care

1:15:59for them without without judgment and I

1:16:05don't know how to introduce that idea

1:16:08particularly since caring for people is

1:16:13a thing that we so often just say well

1:16:15we'll let the religious people deal with

1:16:17that will let the will let that

1:16:19compassion industry deal with that and

1:16:23the compassion industry is made up of

1:16:24religious people with a with a very

1:16:28strong sense of judgment and then all

1:16:31the kind of methadone clinic people who

1:16:34are medical who have a medical approach

1:16:36to it

1:16:37who but still premise on the idea that

1:16:39we are trying to get you

1:16:42we're trying to to get you from there to

1:16:46here right with end and there's the

1:16:49success or failure rate

1:16:51alright alright it's definitely a

1:16:53specific part of the theme park that

1:16:55they would prefer you go to yeah right

1:16:58you're headed out of the theme park is

1:16:59where they want you to go

1:17:00ya know and you know and I've sometimes

1:17:02I think if I were alone musk maybe i

1:17:06would go to the state of Nebraska uh-huh

1:17:11where no one wants to live anymore the

1:17:14state of Nebraska which largely should

1:17:16be returned to a prairie state where all

1:17:20the fences are taken down

1:17:21the buffalo were allowed to roam free

1:17:23and there are still some old people in a

1:17:27bausch and lomb horn-rimmed glasses who

1:17:31are standing in the center of their

1:17:32empty town railing against the federal

1:17:37government and you know just like

1:17:40continuing paint quite a picture that's

1:17:43continuing to farm soybeans even as the

1:17:46giant robot combines move just like the

1:17:50robot combines have a glitch in their

1:17:52GPS and they just combine right over

1:17:54their farmhouse and there's not other

1:17:56than the operator is somewhere in

1:17:57Chicago nobody even that i'm talking

1:18:00about the future now at some point is

1:18:02the last few minutes to turn into a beat

1:18:04poet but I like where it's going

1:18:05listen I actually broke down take you

1:18:09down for the Buffalo to Rome Malik Malik

1:18:12I remember you want with me down to my

1:18:19beer Scoob saw the best minds of my

1:18:24generation come by and by a robot

1:18:27hysterical makeup theme park Elon Musk

1:18:30so what if you went there and in there

1:18:32lots and lots of people who want to go

1:18:34up to North Dakota or Nebraska and by up

1:18:37a-town and turn it into a white homeland

1:18:39you do that so that is gonna get huger

1:18:41and huger I think about that all the

1:18:44time

1:18:44once you get better ability to get good

1:18:46internet way far out the middle places i

1:18:48think more towns are going to be taken

1:18:49over by nuts for sure

1:18:50yeah just like hey this is you know what

1:18:52just this part of North Dakota now is

1:18:54for whites only and come at us

1:18:56feds and the feds will just be like you

1:18:59know what let's get actually know what

1:19:00that's fine i thought you know yeah the

1:19:02more the more angry and more angry

1:19:04vindictive probably insane whites you

1:19:07can get into this area the better off we

1:19:09are our job will get easier if more of

1:19:11you can be attracted here

1:19:13yeah that's actually a good idea so it's

1:19:14like a nag met somewhere in North Dakota

1:19:16we draw we draw a circle and we say hey

1:19:20guess what white homeland and then every

1:19:22person that is that too

1:19:24to whom the idea of a white homeland is

1:19:26appealing they all go there and then

1:19:29that's great that's fucking fantastic

1:19:30like itself select crazy town

1:19:35white homeland and then I don't know

1:19:37whether in the middle of the night we

1:19:39build a like us like a giant Berlin

1:19:43drop-down like oil jar just like hey

1:19:46guess what prison camp wow you didn't

1:19:49see that coming and they're all in that

1:19:51they got all their guns just bouncing

1:19:53off the Belgian yeah and then pretty

1:19:55soon

1:19:56inevitably they start getting gun fights

1:19:58with each other over like-like-like

1:20:00minut like problems in the doctrine

1:20:04well they just eliminate one another but

1:20:06let's so let's so white homelands up

1:20:08there definitely loved her but she would

1:20:10you put that in front of Elon Musk it's

1:20:12a good one

1:20:12some interactive a proactive white

1:20:15homeland instead of solo and tisk tisk

1:20:17tisk to all of you terrible people know

1:20:19we're gonna encouraging this we want we

1:20:20want to basically build a giant land

1:20:22father's mas to fly too well exactly a

1:20:24mint and talk about building an Old West

1:20:26town there

1:20:27I mean just like give them exactly the

1:20:31like flag wavin flag i will tell them

1:20:35we'll have brochures you're gonna be

1:20:36able to get souvenir spoons you can have

1:20:38those big giant three wheeled

1:20:39motorcycles you can ride around on the

1:20:42baby sims will be still be black walmart

1:20:44and Sam's there it's everything you want

1:20:46to be giant parking spaces

1:20:48oh fuck this is incredible you can put

1:20:50as big a tailpipe on your diesel your

1:20:53comings diesel dodge pickup as you want

1:20:55the tailpipe could be as big as a

1:20:5650-gallon drum there's literally no one

1:20:58to say anything that trucks that nitric

1:21:00that's not a problem just put those

1:21:01anyone anything put them on your wife we

1:21:03don't care biggest truck nuts with it

1:21:05will have truck nuts the size of soccer

1:21:06but if we erect proactively again erect

1:21:10the largest truck nuts in the world we

1:21:11make it one of our primary attractions

1:21:13oh fuck yes you can see it 4,000 miles

1:21:15and everyone that's not to come

1:21:17haha come on white homeland you'd be

1:21:20nuts not to come it's so so why don't

1:21:25land up there but then somewhere a

1:21:26little bit further south a where the you

1:21:30know where the air is clean we build

1:21:32another we just draw a big circle and

1:21:34I'm talking about I'm talking about 500

1:21:37square miles right I'm not touch a big

1:21:39circle

1:21:39yeah the big circle and we just say Sin

1:21:42City no sin city and you go there and

1:21:46it's all it's just fucking any anything

1:21:48goes

1:21:48and you sign a disclaimer walking

1:21:52through the gates like you have no

1:21:54recourse to the law in here and and

1:21:58heads up there are definitely going to

1:22:01be people in here who have decided that

1:22:03they are the law and that's your problem

1:22:07like that's fine too you walk in there

1:22:09and you are going to get immediately

1:22:11it's just like being in a fun prism

1:22:14right there are going to be gangs in

1:22:17here they're gonna be doesn't have fun

1:22:19too fun prison

1:22:20it's a fun prison they're gonna be bad

1:22:22men and a lot of you think that you can

1:22:24go in here and have fun and come out at

1:22:26the end of the weekend and probably

1:22:27eighty-nine percent of you will come out

1:22:30unscathed and let me talk about just a

1:22:32couple of things just to help you manage

1:22:33your expectations when we just need to

1:22:35get right out of the way there's no

1:22:36Boober you're not gonna be able to call

1:22:38someone to pick you up and take you

1:22:39somewhere else

1:22:40yeah right it's going to be a lot more

1:22:42like Oh escape from new york

1:22:45oh I hundred percent but i'm not saying

1:22:47is people who think like oh this is

1:22:48great

1:22:49me and my frat brothers are gonna go

1:22:50here and it's giving an awesome bro time

1:22:52it's much more likely that one of you is

1:22:54going to get a broken nose and possibly

1:22:56sodomized sure absolutely not in any way

1:22:58but that this is that this is a serious

1:23:00Wild West environment under this in this

1:23:02big circle that's right Sin City my

1:23:04friends and you know and somebody I

1:23:07guarantee you after it's been there for

1:23:09a few years somebody's going to appoint

1:23:10themselves marissen city i think a lot

1:23:12of people will I think I probably by

1:23:13eight o'clock on a saturday night there

1:23:15will be a lot to be a lot of people know

1:23:17what it's okay to have guns there can

1:23:19you have a store yes you can its Sin

1:23:21City man let it go where they'll be a

1:23:23lot of shooting up in the air that just

1:23:25might be your way of letting people know

1:23:26you're ready for a refill sure it's

1:23:28shooting up in the air it's just it's

1:23:29gonna be it's gonna be like a

1:23:30Palestinian funeral right it's just

1:23:32every day

1:23:34so and I really and I feel like it would

1:23:39relieve a lot of pressure on the rest of

1:23:41the world and you know some of those

1:23:44frat boys are gonna be up there like

1:23:45which one we go to white homeland or sin

1:23:47city it's like they're only it's a

1:23:49six-hour Drive between one and the other

1:23:52there are a lot more churches in white

1:23:53homeland over uh-huh

1:23:56but you know you know I see maybe you

1:23:58might start with white homeland that

1:23:59becomes like like a Hodge you know like

1:24:02let's go to white homeland we're going

1:24:04to hang out there for a while visit big

1:24:05rock will go to sam's club pick up some

1:24:07brews and then flied out to center or

1:24:09not you know drive down to sin city take

1:24:11the deal it'll be a Hyperloop is what

1:24:13they'll be uh huh

1:24:16oh my goodness i'm telling you I just I

1:24:19feel like I feel like like voluntary

1:24:22sequestering of a of both cranks and

1:24:31crackle helpless substance abusers

1:24:36well you know I don't think about sin

1:24:39city as it wouldn't like the hopeless

1:24:41could go there for sure but but there

1:24:43would be a lot of people who want to go

1:24:45to sin city many people go to vegas and

1:24:47they are you know the difficulty of

1:24:50vegas notwithstanding there are still

1:24:54people in vegas and in amsterdam and

1:24:56frankly in hamburg and New York City who

1:24:59have the money to get what they want and

1:25:02what they want is available there and

1:25:05you just have to go through a lot you

1:25:07have to talk to a lot of Bel hops right

1:25:09my friend and skeezy cab drivers to find

1:25:12the path or I mean probably if you have

1:25:14enough money you know what the path is

1:25:15right but she's going training entree

1:25:19into that into that community that's

1:25:21right and you need and you need to be

1:25:22ready to drop serious coin

1:25:25yeah whereas in sin city he it's a it's

1:25:29there and that and that the thing about

1:25:30i think since it is that there are gates

1:25:32so you can't just traffic a bunch of 14

1:25:37year old thai girls in there

1:25:40like you have to get through the gate

1:25:41there is there there are people at the

1:25:43gate that's like nope sorry no no minors

1:25:46and no uh you know everybody that comes

1:25:51in here comes in they each person like

1:25:54walks into a room the door closes behind

1:25:56them and then the person behind the desk

1:25:59says are you under duress in any way if

1:26:02someone's course this analysis is the

1:26:05element the prostitute saying to the

1:26:07undercover cop who you are these

1:26:08supposed to John say show me your dick

1:26:10right because you know I know if you're

1:26:13a cop you won't show me your dick if I

1:26:14ask you for a cop you're not gonna say

1:26:15you're a cop but if you actually look

1:26:17whip it out now before we talk about my

1:26:18show me your dick and then we'll talk

1:26:20about the money

1:26:21there might be somebody that event you

1:26:22is sin city the right place for you

1:26:24that's right or do you if you are here

1:26:26and news are having some second thoughts

1:26:28or you're here with somebody who is

1:26:31holding your arm a little too tightly

1:26:32say that's shitty or and now you're in a

1:26:35room and where's what we'll do we have

1:26:37it in the budget to fly you anywhere in

1:26:40the United States and you never have to

1:26:42walk through that door that you just

1:26:43came through you go out this special

1:26:45door they will never know what happened

1:26:47to you and we'll fly you anywhere in the

1:26:49country if you have someone elaborate

1:26:51scheme really leverage

1:26:52well you know you have to make an

1:26:53airstrip in an airstrip course there's

1:26:55an airstrip are you kidding me it's

1:26:57gonna be the biggest airport in the

1:26:58world the airport outside of sin city

1:27:00and the other letters on the luggages SI

1:27:02n at the airport code

1:27:04oh my god i want to run i want to have

1:27:07the cinnabon concession at sin city

1:27:09airport Cinnabon

1:27:14show me your dick think we helped a lot

1:27:20of people with that one