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0:00:25the incomparable number 193 may 2014
0:00:31welcome back to being comfortable
0:00:33podcast I'm your host Jason Snell and
0:00:36tonight we're going to discuss some news
0:00:39of note something that just happened the
0:00:41other day as we record this which is the
0:00:45cast of Star Wars Episode 7 was
0:00:49announced so this is another installment
0:00:51on our run up to the new Star Wars
0:00:53movies we did that episode when disney
0:00:55bought Star Wars and announced that
0:00:56would be an episode 7 where we all just
0:00:58sort of were shell-shocked and going
0:00:59what this is happening and now we know
0:01:02even more about it and I think there's
0:01:04some interesting wrinkles to this so i
0:01:05thought it was worth spending a little
0:01:07bit of time talking about it and also
0:01:09this is not a bad week to do a star wars
0:01:11episode since that most commercial
0:01:14hallmark holiday of for space holidays
0:01:17may the fourth is coming up like we're
0:01:19posting this episode of me the third so
0:01:21made the third be with you anyway here
0:01:23are my guests to talk about Star Wars
0:01:24things indian taco
0:01:26hello hello buddy open your presence
0:01:29made the mate of the fourth be the star
0:01:31wars day evar star wars day day I like
0:01:34to open one on on the evening of me the
0:01:37third and then we save the rest of them
0:01:38for me the fourth it's just so hard to
0:01:40get the kids wound down and get into bed
0:01:41after the excitement of opening a
0:01:42present that's all good good to know
0:01:46good the good point
0:01:47I like what you're like what you're
0:01:48saying there Dan Morgan is also here
0:01:50hello
0:01:51I you know totally invented may the 4th
0:01:54by the dancing queen greeting card
0:01:56company and I really couldn't be more
0:01:58upset about it totally takes all the all
0:02:01the joy and love out of may the 4th yeah
0:02:05I decide to be adjacent they keep the
0:02:08may Parker in may the 4th that's what I
0:02:11say wow
0:02:11crossing the streams that's extra
0:02:14confusing and all owned by disney
0:02:15certain and serenity Caldwell's also out
0:02:18there hello hi I'm gonna be sleeping on
0:02:21may the 4th because hopefully we'll have
0:02:22just wanted roller derby game so may the
0:02:26fourth be merry and and sleep filled
0:02:30have a Merry maybe for can you celebrate
0:02:33me the fourth when you're in canada i
0:02:35don't know if that's a thing
0:02:36no you can celebrate me the fourth
0:02:38early if they celebrated never like
0:02:40april twentieth ok
0:02:43oh yeah we've already missed it yeah and
0:02:46Lisa Schmeisser is here hi Lisa how are
0:02:49you
0:02:49you'll I know you love casting and so
0:02:52two ideas para el that makes it that
0:02:55makes this extra exciting
0:02:56oh and John syracuse of course we
0:02:59wouldn't do an episode without a mobile
0:03:00we almost did but he he's here hi john i
0:03:03arrived at the appointed time
0:03:05yeah that's what you say maybe but maybe
0:03:08the third be with you or something like
0:03:11that
0:03:11ok so episode 7 it's uh it's happening
0:03:15we already covered that and now i'm now
0:03:17we have cast members so so first off
0:03:22we've got as as rumored as suggested
0:03:26we've got Harrison Ford Carrie Fisher
0:03:29and Mark Hamill all back but they're
0:03:31playing each other's roles so it's
0:03:32really just kind of an interesting
0:03:33exercise that's a mistake don't you
0:03:36Harrison Ford as Princess Leia yeah I
0:03:38think you'll rock the brain
0:03:40yeah alright i agree it's already got
0:03:41the earring i remember they're gonna be
0:03:44doing and ian mckellen and patrick
0:03:45stewart thing where they keep swapping
0:03:46roles every other day of shooting just
0:03:49keep it alive interesting always in
0:03:50mcallen this one because I sort of feel
0:03:52like he doesn't have a lock enough
0:03:53science fiction franchises ya didn't eat
0:03:57there has to be an egot for fantasy
0:03:59franchises so that he can he can win
0:04:01because at this point he's got the x-men
0:04:03he's got that he's got the Lord of the
0:04:05Rings thing going on
0:04:06yeah why not or you know you could throw
0:04:08bonding portion Connery since he penis
0:04:10that on the action and was just in the
0:04:12league of extraordinary gentlemen I
0:04:14think he retired after that wisely
0:04:15probably have probably so yeah crying
0:04:18big Scottish castle somewhere capital so
0:04:22so in addition to those three other
0:04:26returning original stars anthony daniels
0:04:30because you know 30 Daniels literally
0:04:33hasn't done nothing apple this is all he
0:04:35does i love you you're great at it
0:04:38he's so good and could never have been
0:04:40played by anyone else but you it's it's
0:04:42hilarious because it's always by anyone
0:04:44else I understand that that the guy who
0:04:47played miles on Frasier they had to be
0:04:49david Hyde Pierce epi
0:04:51Jim Parsons would be oh no well what is
0:04:54it like Anthony Daniels like laid the
0:04:56groundwork for those to have a career
0:04:58they should send him a fruit basket
0:05:00I'm just saying that I once got like a
0:05:01terrible audiobook I think the i want to
0:05:04say like the dark Empire comic book and
0:05:06Anthony Daniels is playing see-through
0:05:08beyond that there were no other cast
0:05:10members it but damn he is not gonna let
0:05:12somebody else play c-3po it's his
0:05:15character he staked it out
0:05:17yeah so we lost it with motion capture
0:05:20it'll fit back into the suit
0:05:22well with that tells you that would have
0:05:23been the last limiting factor for oh I'm
0:05:26telling you Jim Parsons or or david Hyde
0:05:29Pierce so go see Lisa's already fantasy
0:05:32casting it's amazing what you know it's
0:05:34a superpower Soviet there will be other
0:05:37drugs so so also also I let's see who
0:05:42also the other continuing Chewbacca
0:05:44right Peter may you and and r2d2 Kenny
0:05:49Baker because it wouldn't be the same
0:05:51and let me finger was inside a
0:05:54campaigner shake your most mysterious
0:05:55like what at this point what is he doing
0:05:58exactly
0:05:58yeah nobody can wiggle that suit anybody
0:06:02uh-huh he just makes it have such
0:06:04personality it's an apple is he gonna is
0:06:06there going to be a physical r2d2 onset
0:06:08a lot of the time I figured they were
0:06:09just cg him entirely
0:06:11how dare you never never I'm just going
0:06:15on pad on recent history
0:06:16I feel like that you have upgrading from
0:06:18windows XP but that's all he doesn't
0:06:20want in episode 7just spends the entire
0:06:22time you know her cheating on windows
0:06:26yep he's come on and what you have much
0:06:30of a mac is any droid on that is that
0:06:33what you want to be running
0:06:35yeah you've connected things that should
0:06:38never be connected police other that
0:06:40they're way too many accessories that
0:06:42they didn't have to add onto r2d2 get
0:06:44word Apple Design droid you basically
0:06:47have to keep that you have to buy that
0:06:48probe thing you have to buy the jet pack
0:06:50it up to buy the laser important you'd
0:06:53be supporting an exciting new democracy
0:06:55its commerce and exciting democracy
0:06:57because I'm Betty the Empire probably
0:06:58had first controls and state-sponsored
0:07:00industry and in and in an apple-designed
0:07:03r2d2 world you would
0:07:05the free market would be glorious have
0:07:07you seen a Soviet design TV set
0:07:10that's not the height of design and
0:07:11function that's all I'm saying so in
0:07:13addition to those so let's start there
0:07:15let's start before we get into the new
0:07:17actors are I wanted to talk about the
0:07:19returning actors you know this was all
0:07:21sort of speculation when we talked about
0:07:23it when disney bought lucasfilm and said
0:07:26that would be more star wars movies but
0:07:29i'm interested what you guys think about
0:07:31the prospect now that it's it's clear
0:07:34that you know we're gonna see 30 years
0:07:38later we're going to see Han Solo and
0:07:41Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker again
0:07:43and I'm I'm just you know that's that to
0:07:46me seems to be I would actually say a
0:07:48bigger deal than like the existence of
0:07:51the prequels because now you're not
0:07:53going to be able to look at return of
0:07:54the jedi and say and that's the last we
0:07:56ever solve them and I think that's I
0:07:58think that's kind of a big deal i think
0:08:01it's a huge deal
0:08:03um I realize that this they're also
0:08:05nuking all of the continuity that
0:08:07they've spent the last 20 years building
0:08:09like all the time of these on novels and
0:08:11it got that yeah so they killed they
0:08:15killed Chewbacca and the Expanded
0:08:16Universe and brothers movie so so yeah
0:08:19thank you lovey
0:08:20so has anyone check on timothy zahn is
0:08:22he doing ok you see actually in the
0:08:24video and now it's ok alright i'm
0:08:27announcing that he or you can call the
0:08:29expanding universe though it took is
0:08:30nuking it there just telling it out
0:08:32there being are being selective but to
0:08:35get back to but to get off your cases
0:08:36original point on I don't know if I want
0:08:40to see these people 30 years later and
0:08:42the reason I say that is in my head
0:08:45they're all the age that they were when
0:08:46i first watched that blew my world open
0:08:48and I kind of don't want to see the
0:08:50ravages of time and I'm kind of dreading
0:08:52it as well and not for the same reason
0:08:54though it's not so much that I don't
0:08:56want to see them although i understand
0:08:57that perspective it's mostly because I'm
0:08:59here's what I'm kind of dreading with
0:09:02this i'm dreading being in the theater
0:09:03and each time one of the returning
0:09:04characters comes on the screen a bunch
0:09:06of people applaud like I don't want to
0:09:08be I don't want to be about them
0:09:10I don't want person making the movie to
0:09:12leave room for that applause I want to
0:09:14see new stories in the same universe and
0:09:16maybe they could have cameos but
0:09:18I don't I want them to hand the baton
0:09:20over i'm not that I'm rooting for Adam
0:09:22to divert like I would have been just as
0:09:24I would have felt better if they were no
0:09:26returning characters not just not
0:09:28because I think they're gonna ruin the
0:09:30characters anything it's just that I
0:09:31feel like the way down the the way down
0:09:34this first movie with these with these
0:09:36expectations about having to either tie
0:09:38off old story lines or continual
0:09:40storyline since their their time they
0:09:43did their thing there time is over and i
0:09:45don't like the tri don't like the trend
0:09:47I don't like the trend of nostalgia is
0:09:48fanservice though because I feel like
0:09:50pop culture has kind of become inundated
0:09:51with that its kind of horrifying to open
0:09:54up a browser and see 50 articles on the
0:09:5610th anniversary of mean girls for
0:09:57example it's a movie it happened 10
0:10:00years ago I get that a lot of people
0:10:01quoted but come on ten years is not that
0:10:03long in the great span of things and I
0:10:06feel like we as a culture like like to
0:10:08ceaselessly dwell on these insignificant
0:10:10landmarks or and here's what they're
0:10:12doing now or or so on and so forth and
0:10:15and I sort i sort of feel like it's I
0:10:17sort of feel like this is where its fine
0:10:18with that is it's you love these guys
0:10:20back in 1978 so you know here they are
0:10:24but we're presuming that the main story
0:10:27is about these characters as opposed to
0:10:29their being sort of a passing the
0:10:30torture basically this is this these
0:10:32three characters with these four
0:10:34characters are there to sort of root us
0:10:35in this world and refresh us it's not
0:10:38gonna be a reboot so much but it's
0:10:40saying we're going to pretend though the
0:10:42prequels were the peak the prequels
0:10:43we're gonna have this continuity of this
0:10:46movies that everybody agrees that they
0:10:48like and I like I like the impression
0:10:52that i get from this that they're going
0:10:54to write this like it's a play which is
0:10:57the way that really every single movie
0:10:59science fiction used to be done where
0:11:01there's going to be a beginning a middle
0:11:02and an end with a linear storyline it
0:11:05would be I would be kind of interested
0:11:08if they were making movie set in the
0:11:10Expanded Universe but my big worry there
0:11:13is there would be like like other
0:11:15franchise movies where you feel like
0:11:17you're seeing the middle of every movie
0:11:19is the middle of a story because they
0:11:22want to basically set up the next movie
0:11:24with different characters and also pick
0:11:26up stuff from a previous movie that you
0:11:27didn't see that had a different name
0:11:29it's the comic-book model that you're
0:11:31talking about whatever Stanley's
0:11:32family's famous a prism every comic book
0:11:35issue a summons first comic book issue
0:11:36every kind of pushes someone's last
0:11:37competition but that's the challenge of
0:11:39time the story and movies and and and
0:11:42movies have begun to pick up that model
0:11:43to the right i mean there they've always
0:11:45fundamentally been episodes though is
0:11:47the thing right like this going back to
0:11:49the initial you know pitch by lucas is
0:11:51these are you know the serials right
0:11:53which were continuing story is back in
0:11:55the you know the ones that he was
0:11:56harkening back to they were these
0:11:58lengthy continuing stories that ran you
0:12:01know every weekend granted they were
0:12:02shorter you know we're talking like
0:12:0320-30 minutes and I cases but you know
0:12:06they're what he was telling an ongoing
0:12:07series of adventures not i want to stick
0:12:10up for the the older cast this point
0:12:12because you know well there has been a
0:12:14lot of talking and i'm sure we will
0:12:16discuss the the issues of the diversity
0:12:18or lack thereof among the cast
0:12:20I at least want to say hey I can't old
0:12:22people have adventures
0:12:24I mean I i kinda want to root for them
0:12:26like it's good to you
0:12:27I like the idea of students on an
0:12:30Indiana Jones movie right i did but you
0:12:33know what that had this one doesn't have
0:12:35George Lucas so I was talking about the
0:12:37Last Crusade the good one Harrison Ford
0:12:39was not the problem with the kids
0:12:42Crystal Skull you know he his age was
0:12:45not did that bastard and I was like I'm
0:12:46saying that there are movies with old
0:12:48people men anyway having adventures but
0:12:50and and it's not like I'm against these
0:12:52people if if she I would almost feel
0:12:54better if the if the old people are the
0:12:56only people sitting in that big circle
0:12:57of ikea couches talking to each other
0:12:59because it's clear that they have a
0:13:01bunch of young actors who are going to
0:13:03be in this movie and so it's not like if
0:13:05you just want to have these guys have a
0:13:06bunch of ventures old people that's
0:13:08that's fine i'll i'll see that story
0:13:09it's just like it's Reds in space
0:13:12I feel like this there's another story
0:13:14with these young actors they have to
0:13:15tell and it is incredible balancing act
0:13:17between how much do we put the old
0:13:19people on so it doesn't feel like
0:13:20they're just talking cameos versus how
0:13:22much they taking spotlight with everyone
0:13:24wants to see Luke Skywalker but what
0:13:25about these new guys and like I it's a
0:13:27really difficult balance its it really
0:13:29amps up i think the degree of difficulty
0:13:31of making this into a good movie but
0:13:33throwing those guys in the neck the
0:13:34rumor is that Michael Arndt script was
0:13:37focused mostly on the new generation
0:13:38with a hat tip to the old and that the
0:13:41JJ Abrams
0:13:42and Lawrence Kasdan version that is now
0:13:45the one that they're gonna do the old
0:13:48cast members are much more involved than
0:13:49they were with you know you would think
0:13:51if Joss Whedon was doing you would think
0:13:53at least one or two of them would die
0:13:54right
0:13:55sure i would wrap that would wrap them
0:13:56up that would wrap up their story they
0:13:57would die heroically they would die as a
0:13:59sacrifice maybe one of them would have
0:14:01troubles and died tragically but like in
0:14:03any way you gotta tie those off
0:14:05yeah and then that and that's not a bad
0:14:07thing I i wanna i mean i actually am
0:14:10sort of Lisa on the fact that I think I
0:14:13you know how people talk about how the
0:14:16prequel sort of ruined their childhood
0:14:18memories of star wars because now
0:14:20they've got these prequels in the way
0:14:21what I think I think this is a riskier
0:14:24move and I actually think this is gonna
0:14:26have a much higher degree of a chance of
0:14:28success than that then the prequels in
0:14:30hindsight being the prequels were
0:14:31failures I i I'm fairly positive that
0:14:33this movie is going to be at the very
0:14:34least fine and maybe good you know right
0:14:39i like James has proven i think with a
0:14:41Star Trek movies especially that he's a
0:14:42he's a capable guy I think he
0:14:44understands why Star Wars popular which
0:14:47George Lucas doesn't like we already
0:14:50made what we might read with the best
0:14:52Star Wars movie in here in which star
0:14:53trek into darkness right so so but but i
0:14:56think it's risky and it's for something
0:14:58that the that i mentioned at least
0:15:00mentioned earlier I think it's risky
0:15:01because you know the prequels backfilled
0:15:04what you thought of this universe but
0:15:07now they're going to tell us this is
0:15:09what happened to han and Leia and Luke
0:15:10and that's it
0:15:12this is this is them 30 years later and
0:15:14that's I feel like that is a bigger
0:15:16gamble because everybody has been able
0:15:19to kind of imagine what the rest of the
0:15:20story was and now they're gonna show us
0:15:22what the rest of the story was for those
0:15:24characters and that that's scary
0:15:26well they skipping skipping 30 years so
0:15:28we can still imagine was 30 years recall
0:15:30what it's like you did that that story
0:15:34ended with ok so they've just like this
0:15:36they disrupted the wedding in the back
0:15:37of the bus now what happens that really
0:15:39was the end of the story where the point
0:15:42was now we don't know what happens but
0:15:44they've done something that they wanted
0:15:45to do and yet the idea that they have
0:15:48defeated the enemy that they needed to
0:15:50be defeated now anything can happen from
0:15:52this point on and we're not gonna tell
0:15:53you what that is but by the by the
0:15:55buildup in the
0:15:56music at the very end we are implying
0:15:58that positive things happen and now
0:15:59you're right if we if we if we rack back
0:16:0240 years later find out that
0:16:03yeah turns out that layout turned to the
0:16:06dark side and killed a whole bunch of
0:16:08people and hand was like actually
0:16:10locking carbon for the past 25 years and
0:16:13he's the only person who knew the access
0:16:14codes to release the oh man you just
0:16:17ruined the opti uplifting ending that we
0:16:19had grown man I've got two words for you
0:16:21trade negotiation as long as I keep that
0:16:25away
0:16:26it's not as if I'm saying that the what
0:16:28we're gonna get is something with some
0:16:29fulfilling but it's going to be
0:16:31definitive and that means that all the
0:16:34other kind of dreams of what the story
0:16:36could have been will be collapsed 21 and
0:16:40which is true but we've also done the
0:16:42same we've already compartmentalize the
0:16:43previous and I reserve the right to
0:16:45totally cut these off of their crappy to
0:16:47sure doesn't those middle movies will
0:16:49stand on their own forever and I don't
0:16:51care what comes before them or what
0:16:52comes after me for crying out loud is
0:16:53all sorts of novels that I probably
0:16:55think you're terrible that came after i
0:16:56just didn't read them and if i had read
0:16:58them i would be like well i'm not paying
0:16:59attention that there was this little
0:17:00story that's good
0:17:01ever you know it's the roommates the
0:17:03removal of mystery that i have the
0:17:05problem with that was my problem the
0:17:06first three movies is that it took all
0:17:08the mystery way from Darth Vader because
0:17:09you think about episodes 4 5 and 6 and
0:17:11you're like what the hell how does a man
0:17:13turned out to be this half machine
0:17:15hybrid with connections to an evil
0:17:17sorcerer and you don't really get a good
0:17:18answer to that and that's what makes the
0:17:21earth better such a tragic and
0:17:22interesting the removal of history the
0:17:24bigger problem is that it was sucky and
0:17:26then you find out like episodes one
0:17:27through three that while he's just kind
0:17:28of a douche nozzle and you're like wait
0:17:31what and how
0:17:34wait why how that this guy because his
0:17:36legs cut off somehow turns into a cyborg
0:17:38and then Ben Kenobi turns out look like
0:17:39a massive idiot retrospect because of
0:17:42inexplicable scripture and decisions in
0:17:44episode 3 blah blah blah and I kind of
0:17:46don't want that to happen with episode 7
0:17:48through 9 where the mystery as to what
0:17:51happens to han and Leia and everybody
0:17:53else gets revealed I I don't want the
0:17:56answers on because i don't want to I
0:17:58don't want to risk the disappointment as
0:18:00it were you may want to hide for the
0:18:01next six years then you know it and then
0:18:05again the other things I kind of don't
0:18:07care as much like as I would have if
0:18:09right if if I were a child or teenager
0:18:10or younger person you know at this point
0:18:13it's kind of a mess with something i
0:18:15really like and i'll still go to the
0:18:18movies and I'll probably look at them
0:18:19and say okay what if what has been
0:18:21updated to reflect the cinematic
0:18:23sensibilities of the early 21st century
0:18:25but I haven't you know I'm not burning
0:18:28to find out what happened to the old
0:18:30guard i am kind of interested to see if
0:18:33they do manage to do a graceful
0:18:34balancing act or perhaps these trees
0:18:36movies transition away from the founders
0:18:38of the New Republic whatever you want to
0:18:41call it and into the people were like
0:18:42okay yes that's great you took down the
0:18:45Death Star blah blah blah you haven't
0:18:47really done anything interesting last 25
0:18:48years sense so some out-of-the-way
0:18:50grandpa this is time for Phase two turns
0:18:52out they just kept the Empire running
0:18:54all those years are like well the
0:18:55infrastructure is already here we could
0:18:57probably just slaughter sales area with
0:18:58a rebranded I mean they they took a new
0:19:01logo it was you know it's all rebranding
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0:22:35Luke Skywalker get that there is that
0:22:37that's the other way to look and see
0:22:39Lando Calrissian between you gosh-darned
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0:22:45by the end of Jedi it seems very likely
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0:22:54yes I think he would have been in much
0:22:56better shape on Dancing with the Stars
0:22:57Dancing with the Stars because you see
0:22:59everything that picture on the homestead
0:23:02han solo but you're Harrison Ford has
0:23:04always been like ready to grade to pilot
0:23:06a chopper for the entire rest of his
0:23:08life
0:23:08these other two guys were like you know
0:23:10I'm we're kind of retired now we don't
0:23:11necessarily have to work out that much
0:23:13but when you started suddenly see the
0:23:15carrie fisher and Mark Hamill are now
0:23:17trim and looking good
0:23:19like ok they're going to be in some sort
0:23:21of a movie and it's not a direct to DVD
0:23:23release so it must be star wars that
0:23:26that's why i don't think that Billy Dee
0:23:28Williams going to be in this one
0:23:29yeah well we'll see just to Basle it's
0:23:32actually addresses one of the big
0:23:33criticisms about the casting wall when
0:23:35we move from original flavor into the
0:23:38new people they've added which is this
0:23:39is a remarkably white male cast
0:23:41yep I i was thinking about how how Star
0:23:45Trek dodged the bullet on this one
0:23:46because I mean I and part of it is the
0:23:48increased awareness of this whole issue
0:23:49in our little circle that we traveling
0:23:51on the internet but the other thing is
0:23:52like when Star Trek did the reboot they
0:23:54dodged it more or less by saying well we
0:23:57didn't make up these characters these
0:23:58were established characters and this is
0:23:59how many females there are and when I
0:24:00was thinking about that i thought about
0:24:01Battlestar it's like well they have the
0:24:03same situation well here's the
0:24:04characters is what they are they just
0:24:06said no actually we're going to change
0:24:07starbucks to a woman and it wasn't that
0:24:08big of a deal to boomer was also carry
0:24:10out a changed woman is that sound like
0:24:12and so that that that cuts in Star Trek
0:24:15did it no one called them on oh you
0:24:17didn't change spark into a woman right
0:24:18there like what these are the starter
0:24:20characters you have to go but when
0:24:21introducing new characters that's an
0:24:23opportunity to like that I think that's
0:24:25why they're getting slammed this is like
0:24:27you know it HSP it just reads is really
0:24:30retrogressive to me that it's all its
0:24:32most it's one woman and however many
0:24:34dudes and it was an awfully white cast
0:24:36picture and it's not like there's any
0:24:39lack of talent and I mention this to
0:24:43film photos will Lisa it was a long time
0:24:45ago in a galaxy far far away before
0:24:48not that well they do still have slavery
0:24:50on these planets so that there are you
0:24:52know
0:24:52oh my god did with the setting and
0:24:55everything I know the thing about Star
0:24:57Trek actually when i noticed watching
0:24:59star trek into darkness is that they
0:25:01introduced Carol Marcus in the second
0:25:03movie because they realize they they
0:25:04needed another woman and the crew and
0:25:06that is she
0:25:07it's implied at the end that she's now
0:25:08part of the crew and they will bring her
0:25:10back because the fact is that original
0:25:12Star Trek cast had one woman in it and
0:25:15so that was kind of a problem so you can
0:25:18actually see them kind of grappling with
0:25:20that problem and trying to introduce
0:25:22other characters from corners of their
0:25:23cannon just to get a little more balance
0:25:27in some way but we don't know about the
0:25:29new set of Star Trek Star Wars actressy
0:25:32I did it i'm gonna get kicked by people
0:25:34that we do what we don't know is what
0:25:35the balance is we've been given a list
0:25:37so we've got we've got what I don't know
0:25:40how to pronounce all these names John
0:25:41boyega is that right way got from attack
0:25:45the block
0:25:46Daisy Ridley Adam driver from girls
0:25:49which is that makes me laugh
0:25:50oscar isaac a famous motion-capture
0:25:53performance of node andy serkis dumb
0:25:57Domhnall Gleeson and of course the
0:26:00famous classic actor max pondside oh but
0:26:03we don't we don't know what the balance
0:26:05of this cast is and although we look at
0:26:07that we say wow there's only one woman
0:26:09and I and there is only one non-white
0:26:13actor in that group our oscar isaac is I
0:26:16believe our Hispanic hispanic and latino
0:26:18it ok but so here's the thing what what
0:26:20if the what if the three main characters
0:26:23in this our John boyega Daisy Ridley and
0:26:26Adam driver and it's a black man a woman
0:26:28and a white man then if they are the
0:26:31three main characters this movie seems
0:26:33more diverse you know it's not like but
0:26:36but it is true that the seven people
0:26:38they announced our it's not a
0:26:40particularly diverse group but you know
0:26:42if John boyega is the lead
0:26:44there's a weather big deal to that they
0:26:46release this lesson like that's
0:26:47everything Lando's on list all he can
0:26:49have a cameo it's like you figure if he
0:26:50was going to be in the movie would be on
0:26:51this list like they didn't listen extras
0:26:53they didn't list like you know Imperial
0:26:55triple people that they're holding
0:26:57people back specifically for canada i
0:26:59mean it it could be into ever
0:27:01first female so I was joking that the
0:27:03genius about pacific rim is that
0:27:04Guillermo del Toro sold the movie as
0:27:06handsome Charlie Hunnam takes off shirt
0:27:08the beginning of the movie and then goes
0:27:10in fights with giant robots and the
0:27:12movie actually made was a black man and
0:27:14his surrogate asian daughter managed to
0:27:17work some heavy emotional stuff before
0:27:18saving the world so they want with giant
0:27:21robot so I feel like it and it was and
0:27:24what was interesting was when you looked
0:27:25at pacific rim was marketed it was
0:27:27handsome Charlie Hunnam will go and
0:27:28fight monsters with robots and then
0:27:30again I remind you the movie as African
0:27:33if you're handsome black man
0:27:36oh god so handsome handsome black man
0:27:37and is a diet and his adopted asian
0:27:40daughter work out their emotional issues
0:27:42and go fight and go fight aliens and
0:27:44robots and if he--if Star Wars is using
0:27:46that tactic where they're selling it as
0:27:48a fan boys this is the kind of
0:27:51comfortable nerdery cast that you can
0:27:52get used to and then the movie turns out
0:27:54to be and some black guy and his
0:27:56kick-ass female companion do interesting
0:27:59things in the galaxy like my hat is off
0:28:02to stars if that's how they do it but i
0:28:04think that when you're handed the keys
0:28:06to a huge franchise this isn't just a
0:28:08creative endeavor there there are
0:28:09probably really specific business
0:28:11benchmarks they have to hit and big
0:28:13studios tend to be really concerned
0:28:15about things like casting and marketing
0:28:17and and creative product and what
0:28:18they're going to do is look at the
0:28:19bottom line and say what is more
0:28:21saleable a white space captain and you
0:28:25know his crew of bro Himes or somebody
0:28:28else
0:28:28it reminds me of the brian michael
0:28:30bendis interview i tweeted today where
0:28:32he points out that little kids are
0:28:34showing up to see him in handmade Miles
0:28:35Morales costumes because nobody has
0:28:38thought it's a good idea to license and
0:28:39manufacture the spider-man costume for
0:28:41the half hispanic for had a half Latino
0:28:44half black spider-man which to me is
0:28:46crazy like that should be too given but
0:28:48you do have these cross-marketing
0:28:50considerations to play you know it's it
0:28:52which is why again but yet but the look
0:28:54at--look at pacific was presented as
0:28:56opposed to what it is and I question
0:28:58whether star wars going on the same same
0:29:00tack that's absolutely true
0:29:01there's a long list of you compare movie
0:29:04posters of comedies dramas action movies
0:29:07that have non-white non-male leads and
0:29:10they've been you of course they take out
0:29:12the they they pull out the white males
0:29:14as
0:29:14for the movie posters even though
0:29:16they're basically cameos and supporting
0:29:18characters but i think that we we can
0:29:20make this we should make the mistake of
0:29:22extrapolating the entire movie out of
0:29:24this one photo in this one list i do
0:29:26think this was the photo they had to
0:29:28release because they knew that they will
0:29:30get every hashtag every trending topic
0:29:33for two days just on the strength of
0:29:36here all the original cast members from
0:29:38the original over the Holy trilogy and
0:29:40then later on we can talk we can tell
0:29:42you about these people that you may or
0:29:43may not have heard of but it's you're
0:29:46absolutely right thing if they don't
0:29:47diversify the cast then they're not
0:29:49going to start creating new legends that
0:29:51a whole new generation is going to feel
0:29:53connected to and grew up with
0:29:54i mean i-i I would like to think that i
0:29:57will fell in love with the character of
0:29:59Han Solo and I fell in love with the
0:30:01character of Indiana Jones
0:30:02for more reasons than he is simply a
0:30:04white male in America which I can
0:30:06definitely find a connection to but
0:30:07there's here is absolutely right now
0:30:09there you have no idea what it's like to
0:30:11not see you're suddenly the faces you
0:30:13see in the mirror every morning
0:30:14represented in popular culture so Star
0:30:17Wars has a bigger role to play than
0:30:18simply being a mega blockbuster movie
0:30:20and I just hope they take advantage of
0:30:21that opportunity
0:30:22yeah princess leia was me as a little
0:30:24girl I dresses are for Halloween every
0:30:26year and I could identify with her and
0:30:30you know and i want to point out that
0:30:32I'm extraordinary privilege in terms of
0:30:34pop culture relative to say women of
0:30:36color or or people who are not cisgender
0:30:39or anything like that um the reason I'm
0:30:42not so willing to give this photograph
0:30:44that the the benefit of the doubt is
0:30:46again this is an image machine they
0:30:48there they depict a photograph that to
0:30:49send a very specific message and that
0:30:51was a pretty carefully chosen photograph
0:30:53and the message they're sending is hey
0:30:55hey hey fans its more of what you know i
0:30:58love it and that I feel like that's the
0:31:00message they're sending I I will concede
0:31:02to everybody else's point that the
0:31:04message I'm perceiving may not be the
0:31:06final product but I'm not filled with a
0:31:09lot of optimism just based on you know
0:31:1111 photo I mean I I sympathize with all
0:31:15those things and I i guess like you
0:31:17Jason I'm I'm more willing to sort of
0:31:19take a step back and see what the plans
0:31:22are there are still some rumors that
0:31:24there are major parts that have not
0:31:25announced including a major female part
0:31:28so i don't know i mean i agree that it
0:31:31would be I I'm much in favor of seeing a
0:31:34more diverse cast here for all the
0:31:35reasons that have been mentioned but you
0:31:38know at the same time I think there's a
0:31:40lot of there's a lot of reasons not you
0:31:42you know panic about like one photograph
0:31:46and gank assless that's been announced
0:31:48so yeah also I I don't know how much
0:31:51that's going to change you know based on
0:31:53what we say either so there's a question
0:31:56of that as well but I i don't know i'm
0:31:59excited by a lot of the people who are
0:32:00in the cast for their talents if you
0:32:03know if nothing else I think you know
0:32:05John boyega everything I've heard about
0:32:07him
0:32:07sounds awesome he sounds like a great
0:32:09actor I've not seen attack the block but
0:32:11I've heard nothing but good things about
0:32:12it and about his role in that I a lot of
0:32:16the other folks we you know there are
0:32:19some people like I think our Daisy
0:32:21riddle that we don't we don't know
0:32:22anything about her really because she
0:32:23hasn't been in much which is interesting
0:32:26i think in and of itself in terms of
0:32:28casting somebody for a role this this
0:32:30pivotal who is not a known quantity i
0:32:32mean that kind of harkens back to me you
0:32:34know to the original movies for me much
0:32:37less than the prequels in which case
0:32:39they seem to really kind of we're gonna
0:32:40rely more on star power in a lot of
0:32:43those cases and it didn't really work
0:32:45out for them but I think mainly what i
0:32:48end up thinking about me is you know i'm
0:32:50intrigued want to know what the story is
0:32:52now right like that's where sort of
0:32:53going to the gradation of steps where
0:32:54it's like we new Star Wars back and
0:32:56we're gonna make an episode 7 we knew
0:32:58eventually the JJ Abrams going to direct
0:32:59it now we know who's gonna be in it and
0:33:02to me the big question is still what
0:33:04story are we going to tell here you know
0:33:06what is what is the story 30 years later
0:33:08because I I again as I said earlier I
0:33:10don't I don't mind the the older folks
0:33:13in there i agree that it's a it's a
0:33:14bigger risk because it looks much more
0:33:17like the original movies but at the same
0:33:19time I think you know the bigger the
0:33:21risk the bigger the reward potentially I
0:33:23mean it could be very good and in that
0:33:24case you do have a potential touchstone
0:33:27for not only new people you know who are
0:33:29your kids who are entering the franchise
0:33:31for the first time we're seeing these
0:33:32movies like this on the big screen for
0:33:34the first time but also those of us who
0:33:35have enjoyed them for so many years so I
0:33:38again as
0:33:39as with every stage of the process I
0:33:40think I end up feeling of falling into
0:33:42the sort of cautiously optimistic pin
0:33:44yeah I'm on that I'm sort of on the
0:33:46fence in that I i see where Lisa's
0:33:48coming from and I am a little bit
0:33:50nervous for my first impression when I
0:33:52saw the picture after being like oh my
0:33:55god original cast was hey that's not it
0:33:59it's like Daisy Ridley and Carrie Fisher
0:34:01partying over on a couch together and
0:34:03they're surrounded by white dudes and I
0:34:05guess kathleen kennedy is kind of
0:34:07hanging out in a chair but you can't
0:34:08actually see her face she just she is
0:34:10the Emperor and this position next one
0:34:12of the weasleys also the Zapruder
0:34:17filming of like what the significance of
0:34:19where everybody is sitting o it is not
0:34:22it's it's a it's a criminologist we're
0:34:25talking about writing my was the
0:34:27Minister of Agriculture not present at
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0:34:31jayjay is next on solo because if you're
0:34:33the director you get to sing song that's
0:34:35right
0:34:35oh yeah also they have a connection
0:34:37think it was John you remember from our
0:34:38when we saw that JJ Abrams a couple
0:34:40years ago he sat down with him when he
0:34:43like on the first movie he ever wrote
0:34:44which was I think regarding Henry yes
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0:38:06had when you saw the behind-the-scenes
0:38:08photos and documentaries of the original
0:38:09trilogy because that was one of my first
0:38:12exposure to pop culture's and child were
0:38:14like PBS documentary somehow ilm work to
0:38:16you also see still photos of you know
0:38:18like Princess leaning against the
0:38:20Millennium Falcon and laughing with
0:38:21somebody and behind-the-scenes pictures
0:38:23so maybe it was supposed to evoke that
0:38:25feeling with look you're getting a
0:38:26behind-the-scenes look and and just like
0:38:28we've been giving you since the eighties
0:38:30yeah it was meant to evoke this is all
0:38:32meant to evoke the nostalgia of of this
0:38:36period of the original of the original
0:38:38series so we've got a black and white
0:38:39picture without a lot of Technology and
0:38:42we've got it you know they're shooting
0:38:44the movie where they shot the original
0:38:45films and that's this is all part of the
0:38:48marketing thing
0:38:49also I have to say I you know you plan
0:38:52this sort of thing because I you're
0:38:54about to shoot and people are gonna know
0:38:56where these people are and they're gonna
0:38:58figure it out so you want to take
0:38:59control of the situation reminds me of
0:39:01when you know they announced now they
0:39:04announce who the new actors are who are
0:39:06cast in Doctor Who like two days before
0:39:08they do their location shooting because
0:39:09as soon as they're on location
0:39:11everybody's going to know it so you want
0:39:13to get ahead of it and they announced
0:39:14the Chewbacca's in the movie you know a
0:39:16few days before that they say yeah they
0:39:18expand you force play because it is that
0:39:21it brings up the question so they just
0:39:22laid today this is PR I mean this is PR
0:39:26as its supposed to be so that that's
0:39:28what's that's what's going on here at
0:39:30having seen girls Adam driver i'm
0:39:32fascinated by that bit of casting
0:39:33because I think he's a very interesting
0:39:35actor although again as you know with a
0:39:37lot of casting you've got that you know
0:39:39I attaching remember what their other
0:39:42roles were like and then being like okay
0:39:44just let's you know he will not be
0:39:46playing the same character presumably as
0:39:50his character on girls in Star Wars
0:39:52because that would be really weird
0:39:53although he could yeah he's the Jedi who
0:39:55walks around without a shirt on all the
0:39:56time
0:39:57sure i would not have a problem with
0:39:59that ninety i have a problem with what
0:40:03is this luke why is the entire New Jedi
0:40:05core service look it's a thing that time
0:40:07I love that idea of a look at it
0:40:14obviously haha fascinating fascinating
0:40:18group but it makes sense to speculate
0:40:20about any of these characters these
0:40:21actors being under makeup for andy
0:40:24serkis we should talk about that is but
0:40:26he's going to play a motion-capture guy
0:40:27mean he's a i would assume that he's
0:40:29been a lot of live-action movies as an
0:40:31actor he is NDE could be doing that but
0:40:33there's also the possibility that he's
0:40:35gonna be a completely cgi characters but
0:40:37i think he looks right for the star wars
0:40:39universe like him actually a kind of got
0:40:41a he's got a he's got an email
0:40:43german thing go and all right or even
0:40:44like a bounty hunter I mean like this
0:40:46and he looks like he's gonna looks
0:40:48vaguely alien to that helps right that
0:40:50this was thinking with Adam driver that
0:40:52it's not like you can see oh oh you know
0:40:54would be great in these movies and
0:40:56Cassidy Jones oh my god I'm gonna need
0:40:59to get done Jones movies Adam driver ID
0:41:02to me sounds like he he he feels like
0:41:05the bad guy i have to say i think that
0:41:07is what is behind Lisa's any murder yeah
0:41:10I think he's got my god i just looked up
0:41:12a picture without Jones and he looks
0:41:13like a terrifying Sith Lord
0:41:15oh ya think he's the greatest he does he
0:41:18does a lot of really great body might be
0:41:19missing and you should be glad when he
0:41:21was ambassador he was that helpful body
0:41:23he was the body for oh god for a but
0:41:25what's his favorite band album or a pin
0:41:27hellboy on you know he's a really gifted
0:41:30physical actor and he's also got a
0:41:32reputation for being one of the nicest
0:41:34people in the industry so that kind of
0:41:35fits in with the star wars with because
0:41:37Star Wars does the actors do seem to
0:41:39have a culture of of actively not being
0:41:41jerks
0:41:41so I I feel like needs to work with
0:41:44jerks
0:41:45no I feel like you fit in culturally
0:41:46with both the workplace and and the
0:41:48fandom as it were and he's incredibly
0:41:50gifted physically and he looks like
0:41:52something from another planet and it
0:41:54would be not it would be nice if you had
0:41:56some pretty explicitly Ellen
0:41:59alien-looking people or after to
0:42:00convincingly channel this otherworldly
0:42:02quality you know it could it could be
0:42:04that all the new actors have blue skin
0:42:05and this shot you know like every star
0:42:08trek would say these guys are for and
0:42:09makeup that's that's why it's in black
0:42:11and white parts there in blue face
0:42:15oh my god it's justwell avatar did so
0:42:17well but of course
0:42:20oh no no it's not channel after why is
0:42:23blue such a big science fiction
0:42:24because you don't run into a lot of
0:42:27people with school probably not and DZ
0:42:32what Stacy's last name we really these
0:42:35she's what 19 20 she's pretty young
0:42:39right like I that was the one that
0:42:41struck me the most besides the fact that
0:42:43she was female but clearly she is
0:42:45playing the child of somebody she's
0:42:47either that or they find some random
0:42:50child on a because it's it's very odd
0:42:53right i think the youngest person we've
0:42:54ever seen in the star wars universe and
0:42:56I'm think talking about the cannon star
0:42:58wars universe not the prequels jacobs
0:43:00you've got well you yet
0:43:02well but like not talking about Jake
0:43:04Lloyd for something like talking about
0:43:05the original three movies you've got
0:43:06Leia and Leia is supposed to be like 19
0:43:10to 24 yeah right so she's well Carrie
0:43:12Carrie Fisher's like 21 she made those
0:43:14movies yeah it was a few times as casted
0:43:16salutes honestly yeah assume that Daisy
0:43:19Ridley is playing Han and Leia's
0:43:21daughter right all right look also
0:43:24heavily rumored did you did you look at
0:43:27her IMDB page it's hilarious because got
0:43:29a picture of her head shot from
0:43:30publishers and the only other photo on
0:43:32the page is that shot of them in the
0:43:33circle of chairs so talk about an
0:43:35unknown
0:43:35it's like she's known for being in this
0:43:37chair she looks like she also like
0:43:39natalie portman around the eyes instead
0:43:41of the mouth too so there's a little bit
0:43:42so there's that that almost looks like
0:43:44your grandmother yeah so the her her
0:43:48real was up for a very very short time
0:43:50and I was able to watch it and then they
0:43:52pulled it down which is interesting it's
0:43:55like why would you pull down a real from
0:43:57an actress unless you want to you want
0:43:59to be the ones launching her career like
0:44:02clearly she has a major role in in the
0:44:06in the upcoming movie we just you know
0:44:09we can speculate on whose daughter she
0:44:10is or or what precisely that role is but
0:44:14needless to say it like she is the
0:44:16person that they're they're clearly
0:44:18pinning some some major star power
0:44:20behind but it can be a defensive action
0:44:22to nobody is going to be an end up in
0:44:25the pr blackout that's going to happen
0:44:27over the next X number of months while
0:44:29this thing is being filmed so much
0:44:31speculation on the credibility of every
0:44:32one of these actors is going to be just
0:44:34filling every single modulus
0:44:36and if you have some kind of roby
0:44:38credits to your name their kind of okay
0:44:41movies for not very good or one scene
0:44:43that is in your real that you kind of
0:44:44wish weren't there
0:44:45that's all you're gonna be about for the
0:44:48next eight to nine months i it's it's
0:44:50it's such a great opportunity it's a
0:44:51great idea so it's a wonderful part 2
0:44:54thing to be part of this legacy again
0:44:55but i'm not sure if it's a little bit
0:44:57like running for office every single
0:44:59thing you do is going to be scrutinized
0:45:01and they're gonna be a lot of people who
0:45:03are going to be projecting their own
0:45:04fears and their own misconceptions onto
0:45:06you and blaming you for stuff that
0:45:08didn't take long would write do an
0:45:10interview where he just said that this
0:45:11is I hate the fact that I did this movie
0:45:13because there's so many people who were
0:45:15just using my name as an expletive on
0:45:17everything that is wrong and unholy on
0:45:18this planet
0:45:19yeah he claims and star wars are in his
0:45:22life
0:45:23well i think i might have a mutual so
0:45:25adorable little boy is fighting stuff
0:45:31with child actor then he didn't write
0:45:33the script you know like but I'm having
0:45:35I'm realizing how much the prequels
0:45:37messed me up in terms of like another
0:45:38it's like this should be trigger
0:45:39warnings on his casting things because
0:45:41whatever i say like I remember how
0:45:44excited I was like when you and Gregor
0:45:45was cast like these could be the best
0:45:47move would like the caliber of actors
0:45:48are getting in these prequels this is
0:45:50gonna be amazing right even the bit
0:45:51parts like you know Samuel Jackson is
0:45:53good and then when I see all these
0:45:54actors some point I really I really I
0:45:56really like I'm driver I these new
0:45:59actress like I look at them and I don't
0:46:00know anything about them like wow that i
0:46:02can just imagine them being great and
0:46:03then all I office i get a flash of these
0:46:05awesome actors standing as a green
0:46:07screen saying terrible dialogue like no
0:46:09it's just I don't want to remember that
0:46:11happens to disney flying out right here
0:46:15I won't get better i'm trying to have
0:46:18trying to have hope but like that's I
0:46:19mean this is like by lawrence kasdan
0:46:21that's why I wanted this I just wanted
0:46:23to be a good movie it's all like I don't
0:46:25even I don't even need to feel like star
0:46:27wars are needed to like a never think
0:46:28about in terms of the overall plot I
0:46:31almost hope this isn't the case i know
0:46:32is a silly hope but like I kind of feel
0:46:35like the antagonist in the three real
0:46:37star wars movies and the prequels more
0:46:39or less was well it's light side of the
0:46:40forest for the dark side of the force
0:46:41right and I feel like now that conflict
0:46:44was resolved for all eternity at the end
0:46:45of general but more or less the light
0:46:47side one and
0:46:48you know balance has been restored or
0:46:50whatever I don't want all the movies to
0:46:53every movie has to be about let's see
0:46:54how this if they're going to worm their
0:46:55way back in this time and how they're
0:46:57going to be is it doesn't always have to
0:46:58be light side of the force for his dark
0:46:59side of the force forever and ever for
0:47:01the next 15 movies are other stories we
0:47:03can tell in the star wars universe
0:47:05we're gonna find out and I think what I
0:47:07think one of the things that make
0:47:08filming with such optimism is that this
0:47:11that the entire package has been sold to
0:47:13a totally new production company
0:47:15it's a totally new director totally knew
0:47:17everything that people who don't feel as
0:47:20though they have that much of an
0:47:21obligation to pay homage to the previous
0:47:25culture yes there yes they have the the
0:47:27lot of the original cast members but I
0:47:29feel as though a lot of the problems
0:47:31with the prequels came about with
0:47:33wanting to make fans happy with the same
0:47:36characters that they had earlier the the
0:47:39fancy what is Chewbacca doing at the end
0:47:41of the at the inn at the end of episode
0:47:43three what are all these other
0:47:44characters appearing even though they
0:47:45don't make much sense but they're trying
0:47:47to make more toys try to expand expand
0:47:50the line trying to make this whole thing
0:47:51makes sense was not supposed to really
0:47:53make sense you're supposed to have a
0:47:54republic cereal done with really really
0:47:57great ultra-modern 1977 style
0:47:59special-effects keep it simple with the
0:48:01beginning middle and end consistent
0:48:02characters and every character playing
0:48:04exactly one role in the story that
0:48:07nobody no other character can duplicate
0:48:09if you just try to make this as a really
0:48:11really good story and not try not to
0:48:13make it into a Star Wars movie you're
0:48:15seventy percent of the way towards
0:48:16making a great film I think I can't see
0:48:18a political thriller version time for
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0:50:53yeah i think one of the one of things
0:50:54that might happen here is that is that
0:50:56you know this is going to be franchise
0:50:58that they want to do I mean a new
0:51:00franchise they want to do a movie every
0:51:02year and on the off years it'll be
0:51:04spin-off kind of thing so one approach
0:51:07they might take here is very much not a
0:51:09narrowing of the story to be like let's
0:51:11just tell another set of three movies
0:51:13that are
0:51:15about the return of you know the the
0:51:17tried to sit in the Empire trying to
0:51:19return to glory you know that I I feel
0:51:23like they they are trying to paint a bit
0:51:25bigger picture here partially because
0:51:26that's what movie franchises are now is
0:51:28lots and lots of movies Thank You Marvel
0:51:30but which is also owned by disney but
0:51:33also just because they want lots of
0:51:36movies there the goal the end goal here
0:51:38is not to just tell a 33 story in a 3
0:51:42movie story and so that I think that
0:51:45might be good in the sense that it might
0:51:48actually take some of the pressure off
0:51:50and let give them a little more room to
0:51:52tell to create you know a new take on
0:51:55this universe instead of doing what they
0:51:59might have done otherwise which is
0:52:01replay the past and tell that same story
0:52:03basically invert that story until it
0:52:05began
0:52:05I think Marvel has the same problem that
0:52:07i was just talking about though in that
0:52:08the problem with all I I don't follow
0:52:10the comics I don't know where the all
0:52:12these things are coming from the
0:52:13conflict or not but the problem with
0:52:14every Marvel movie is that's like are we
0:52:17have these characters that are heroes
0:52:20everybody loves them each one is able to
0:52:22carry its own movie you know like it
0:52:25everything works out but like but we
0:52:26need something for them to do we need
0:52:28them to fight me than to fight an enemy
0:52:30we need the world to be in peril and
0:52:32it's like the antagonist is always the
0:52:33biggest scare factor in those movies
0:52:35like if they pick a bad villain or if
0:52:37it's just a stupid you know if I don't
0:52:39care about them saving the world from
0:52:40think I like what is it that they're
0:52:41doing what is the conflict and I'm like
0:52:44I don't like you're Batman was like he's
0:52:45got a bag of villains witness to reach
0:52:47one this is the real movie this is the
0:52:48whatever movie comic books kind of go
0:52:50that direction too but with the marble
0:52:51ones like well also it has to be in
0:52:53peril everyone points7 movies we have to
0:52:55have the entire Earth be in parallel
0:52:57systems and it's so hard to keep coming
0:52:59up with those that we love the heroes
0:53:00but but you know you need something from
0:53:02the doing Star Wars they have like oh we
0:53:04don't have to have a villain of the week
0:53:06but do we have to keep going back to the
0:53:08light side versus dark side six verses
0:53:10Jedi like I feel like that story has
0:53:11been told and I'm ready for to cycle
0:53:14back around in and movie 10 for the city
0:53:16to come back but I don't want right away
0:53:17after Jedi it's like I just clean this
0:53:19place up to sit there back again who
0:53:20where are these it we're getting in the
0:53:22house so would you prefer like a medical
0:53:24MIT would you prefer like a medical
0:53:25mystery drama were oh my god his
0:53:26midi-chlorian are being killed
0:53:28I have iron continues to attack them
0:53:30it's like an immune system disorder
0:53:31what's going on i'm not saying they're
0:53:33going to do this like I i have no idea
0:53:34what the plot of this movie is going to
0:53:36be and I don't want to be spoiled by
0:53:37brother i really hope that they are like
0:53:39there are many other choices to have I'm
0:53:41sure the extent expanding universe
0:53:42novels did all these choices is this a
0:53:44spy book is this a war story is this a
0:53:47you know a romance is thriller like they
0:53:50can do all these things and I don't know
0:53:52what you're going to do I'm just I'm
0:53:53just expressing my fear is not that I'm
0:53:55gonna hurt anything that they're going
0:53:57to do this but i like the idea of seeing
0:53:59the different you know angles that we're
0:54:01talking about here i mean for example to
0:54:02start going back to another movie we
0:54:04talked about not long ago the captain
0:54:06america the winter soldier was a nice i
0:54:08think twist on the e it wasn't about
0:54:10necessarily the entire world being
0:54:12parallel yeah they did raise you know
0:54:13and feel like they have to raise the
0:54:15stakes a couple points but he had a
0:54:18feeling of like a spy thriller to it and
0:54:19it's like and I could I would love to
0:54:20see a Star Wars movie that's in that
0:54:22vein that's like hey turns out the New
0:54:24Republic isn't that much better than the
0:54:26Empire that we were playing so well but
0:54:27you know what i loved about the winter
0:54:29soldier and i miss that discussion
0:54:30because I think parenting
0:54:32um but yeah yeah parenting small can
0:54:35happen but yeah like a virus
0:54:38anyway I'm what I like about that it was
0:54:40actually it was actually something where
0:54:42people had to use their brains to get
0:54:43out of the situation it wasn't merely oh
0:54:45look he's filled with serum and he can
0:54:46do things with it was it was genuine
0:54:48like you actually saw cap string a
0:54:50couple thoughts together and then get
0:54:53all strategically on you and my hope is
0:54:55that they actually did that with star
0:54:56wars 2 because in theory someone like
0:54:58Princess Leia was already a political
0:55:00operator before she had her adventures
0:55:02with her brother and his best friends so
0:55:04you know I wouldn't mind seeing a
0:55:07princess leia who is basically the
0:55:08Hillary Rodham Clinton of the Republic
0:55:1030 years later and you know and and and
0:55:13was basically operating is as a power
0:55:15player with amusing tumblers devoted to
0:55:17her I think there's room for brains in
0:55:19the franchise that makes sense it's not
0:55:21just in a mystical Muppets yammering on
0:55:23about medical lorians i would really
0:55:24like to see something where where where
0:55:26in its people tackling the question of
0:55:29good force versus bad for sand and maybe
0:55:31somebody i have no problem good versus
0:55:33bad because that's your eternal you know
0:55:35man vs himself type struggle so so what
0:55:38if you do have some takeout drivers like
0:55:39but what if we can use the bad for us to
0:55:41do good thing
0:55:41listen and then you've got an antihero
0:55:43an interesting question to be answered
0:55:45and it turns into a 10cm drama
0:55:47I'd love that was it's a customer
0:55:50optimism that there we are planning on
0:55:52doing a movie every single year now
0:55:54because that's it does its I think if
0:55:56you don't if you have two or three years
0:55:58to do a sequel it seems like the that
0:56:01you have to basically say this has to be
0:56:02the biggest most sprawling epic movie
0:56:05and all and yeah exactly
0:56:07yes there it feels like they can see if
0:56:09one of your people yeah and so if you're
0:56:12writing the story for whatever the first
0:56:13movie is and you have this great idea
0:56:15for we won't be great we should have
0:56:16another character sort of off against
0:56:18this other person so that's great let's
0:56:20do that next year or the year after that
0:56:22let's keep this one movie streamline its
0:56:24like I'll there's the most bizarre thing
0:56:27I'm gonna be throwing into this but it
0:56:29is a little bit like the strength of
0:56:30Woody Allen movies where he just makes a
0:56:33movie every single year and some of them
0:56:35can be kinda weird some of them can be
0:56:36very mainstream and some of them can be
0:56:38exactly what you expect a Woody Allen
0:56:40movie to be you don't have to love every
0:56:42single one of them but over five years
0:56:44he's gonna make five movies of which one
0:56:46you think is great
0:56:473like and to you don't even bother to
0:56:49see and I would be perfectly fine at
0:56:51this time for bed
0:56:52that's what i was saying bye-bye having
0:56:54the pressure be off a little bit that
0:56:55right that uh you know it it uh it could
0:56:59be really good in the sense that the
0:57:01that the canvas is really wide now and
0:57:03this is like the core right this is the
0:57:04continuation of the old story and that's
0:57:07why it's episode 78 and nine but they
0:57:10don't have to do everything and in fact
0:57:12it's better if the universe is set up
0:57:14for them to be able to tell lots of
0:57:15other stories because they're gonna want
0:57:17to keep telling stories in this universe
0:57:19so you know this may be the you know
0:57:22dark side of the force versus lights out
0:57:24of the forest big story that is at the
0:57:26core of of this universe but it's not
0:57:29the only story and it would be nice to
0:57:30see ya to see something a little bit
0:57:33different from the the two variations on
0:57:35that we've seen with its the original
0:57:37trilogy in the prequel july i think
0:57:38they're doing the inverted Avengers that
0:57:40like like it's an it's it in the
0:57:42Avengers movies and we're gonna do a
0:57:43bunch of small movie some of them every
0:57:44crap so I'm gonna be good what we're all
0:57:46building up to here guys is the Avengers
0:57:48and then after the Avengers we're going
0:57:49to do a couple more small moves into
0:57:50captain america movie do this
0:57:51we and then we're going to have Avengers
0:57:522 and then we're going to do a couple
0:57:54more small boobs and then we're gonna
0:57:55have interest three this they're doing
0:57:56Avengers 1 2 & 3 upfront and rensing ok
0:57:59here's all the spin-off movies and maybe
0:58:01one of them will turn out like green
0:58:02lantern sorry about that but one of the
0:58:03many deaths in America you know
0:58:05Green Lantern to start your engines John
0:58:06I don't know what I just know that was
0:58:09bad
0:58:10yeah that's good for you have no clothes
0:58:12burned holes all the way to go when
0:58:15you're using fire
0:58:16ya know what I mean that they are i
0:58:18think the plan is to have them alternate
0:58:20so they are going to do sort of like the
0:58:22big movie and then a little movie and
0:58:23then a big movie and then a little movie
0:58:25and and that there are lots of rumors
0:58:27about how you gonna do that it's
0:58:28interesting i was talking to my wife
0:58:29about this the other day that's like you
0:58:32know Star Wars being an active franchise
0:58:35like the Marvel movies are now that's
0:58:38kind of weird
0:58:39it's it me feel it's like it's kind of
0:58:41weird I mean because it's always been
0:58:43something that goes into hibernation
0:58:45right even between like you know 20
0:58:47years between the prequels and and the
0:58:50original movies right and then another
0:58:51you know decade and it so it's something
0:58:54that comes and goes in spurts and yeah
0:58:55you have other properties like your
0:58:57clone wars you know TV show or the books
0:59:00or the comic books yourself running
0:59:01between but then you have these tent
0:59:03poles that seem to pop up every couple
0:59:04decades so it is really different to
0:59:08think of it being something that's like
0:59:09I mean it's not out of the question that
0:59:11we see a star wars like live-action TV
0:59:12show which is something they had had
0:59:14talked about for years but never really
0:59:16got off the ground but it's certainly
0:59:17with with Disney's backing not at all
0:59:20i've got their own TV network and you
0:59:22know that we've seen that they have a
0:59:24willingness to take the Marvel stuff and
0:59:26do a TV outpost of that so why would you
0:59:29not do that with star wars shirt or
0:59:31camper adventure huh generated Godhead
0:59:35well the Trade Federation the series but
0:59:38one thing I don't want to see is like
0:59:41the like the kevin smith version where
0:59:43hey now we're gonna have a whole story
0:59:45we get to the storm troopers who are
0:59:46like really just kind of jaded and just
0:59:49hang it out and they're saying omen
0:59:50I think it's been done on the internet
0:59:53and sketch looks like a robot chicken
0:59:55sketch way and and a bunch of other
0:59:57things my troop remember Trudy area
0:59:59they're so
0:59:59they're so
1:00:00many things was funny because it was
1:00:01just like a YouTube video but one like
1:00:03once like a movie studio says we're
1:00:05going to work we're too cool to say that
1:00:08star wars is awesome we're really
1:00:09excited about doing a great story with
1:00:12classic characters
1:00:13no actually oh no I'm too cool for this
1:00:15I'm gonna make poke fun and i have two
1:00:16characters talk about a butt man
1:00:18why did we even build a desktop to begin
1:00:21with they could be so easily blown up
1:00:22what's up with that took come on Jerry
1:00:25Seinfeld let's start with what you know
1:00:28what I see are the nexus poor i think
1:00:30was idea was this
1:00:32Star Trek has shown that they are in JJ
1:00:34least I think strikes the right balance
1:00:36between not taking yourself too
1:00:38seriously but taking it seriously enough
1:00:39like it's not that's why i was back in
1:00:42the beginning I was talking about
1:00:42fearing a dead that I a poor director
1:00:46would acknowledge that people are going
1:00:48to apply but Luke Skywalker first
1:00:50appeals and they would build it into the
1:00:51movie in the editing and the directing
1:00:52and JJ will not do that I think you will
1:00:54have the movie go straight forward that
1:00:56the movie the play with a movie plays it
1:00:57will take itself seriously a wink itself
1:00:59perhaps even less we can get itself than
1:01:01Jedi just about the Empire level winking
1:01:03itself but it will never be like that
1:01:05cynical or whatever because like if you
1:01:07look at the star trek movies he really
1:01:09believes in the drama of these things
1:01:11happening and is not gonna be like well
1:01:13as spaceship and the aliens whatever who
1:01:15cares like he's gonna sell he's gonna
1:01:17sell the emotion of everything like I'm
1:01:19really glad that he he's doing this when
1:01:20I think about the star trek movies it
1:01:21makes me optimistic for these movies to
1:01:24strike the right balance because water
1:01:25and he was saying like if someone else
1:01:27was helping this I could see that being
1:01:29a possibility but I feel like with him
1:01:31behind it and presumably his influence
1:01:33on whatever other properties spin-off of
1:01:35it I i I'm hoping that you know
1:01:37everything goes well and Star Wars was
1:01:39his you know he's not his baby but his
1:01:42that was his french fries
1:01:43you know he was practicing with Star
1:01:45Trek as is appropriate i think but if
1:01:48you go back and watch lost like clearly
1:01:50he is a huge Star Wars fan right like
1:01:52that all sorts of jokes about Star Wars
1:01:53monster stuff and you know that's the
1:01:55reason I think we all know that he
1:01:56ultimately took this right even though
1:01:58he was doing the star trek franchise
1:02:00like he could not say no to star wars
1:02:02sounds like he actually was afraid to
1:02:04say yes because it means so much to him
1:02:06and but so so this is something i wanted
1:02:09to close with it's good to talk a little
1:02:11bit about JJ Abrams which you know is
1:02:13there
1:02:13he's got it he's got his critics and
1:02:15he's definitely got some issues in the
1:02:16end of Star Trek movies he's done you
1:02:18know are not are not perfect but I'm I'm
1:02:20really encouraged by his choice because
1:02:22he does love Star Wars and like I said
1:02:26at the beginning of the show I feel like
1:02:28he under he understands why Star Wars is
1:02:31great like hehe i feel like he gets it
1:02:34in that way and that's vitally important
1:02:37that that you've got creative people who
1:02:39actually like understand why people love
1:02:40star wars because I really do believe
1:02:42that was George Lucas's ultimately yeah
1:02:45he can't write dialogue with a lot of
1:02:46things but his fatal flaw was George
1:02:48Lucas never understood why people loved
1:02:50his thing he never got why people
1:02:53actually attached to it and I think JJ
1:02:54Abrams totally gets it and what we saw
1:02:56him do with Star Trek was taking a
1:02:58franchise that was essentially dead and
1:03:00rethink it and and make it in the
1:03:02context of modern moviemaking while
1:03:04still honoring the things that people
1:03:07loved about it and that mean that you
1:03:09that's the perfect template for this and
1:03:11speaking of the guy was sitting next to
1:03:13JJ the more I see about Harrison Ford
1:03:16like how he operates as an actor in the
1:03:18various movies that he's in that in
1:03:20addition to all his grouchiness and all
1:03:21is you know just the way he line reading
1:03:23the reading the gigantic making a
1:03:25vampire book and like I its he has a
1:03:28surprising amount of influence
1:03:29increasing with his you know fame on the
1:03:32movies that he's in for the better
1:03:34I you know like all the all the ways he
1:03:37was contributing to these scenes in
1:03:38Empire where he was more or less just a
1:03:40kid right and now at this point when
1:03:42he's in a movie he feels like he's
1:03:44practically the second director
1:03:45obviously that's going to be reined in
1:03:46by JJ you know i'm assuming he can
1:03:48handle him but like his his influence
1:03:51his understanding i think harrison ford
1:03:53also understands what makes our way even
1:03:55though he's grumpy about it even though
1:03:56he's kind of gets pissed off these han
1:03:57Solo and he likes in the engines better
1:03:59all these other things he's got a head
1:04:01on his shoulders about what makes good
1:04:02movies and so like when I see them
1:04:04leaning into each other and talking like
1:04:05yes listen to him he may be a jerk
1:04:07sometimes but he knows what he's talking
1:04:08about he and almost certain point of
1:04:10view
1:04:10yeah exactly i got that reference I
1:04:13appreciate that reference very good
1:04:16you're fired and nobody knowledge to
1:04:18direct this money I'm different if
1:04:20there's a bad feeling about this in in
1:04:22like I mean I will give him 14 episode
1:04:257i will happen one bed
1:04:26and that's it and it better be like
1:04:28middle to late movie better be like I
1:04:30have a bad feeling that person just gets
1:04:32shot in the hair yes right that's the
1:04:34that's the amount of linking you're
1:04:35allowed you get one of those preferably
1:04:37the person gets killed before you
1:04:38complete the sentence that's it
1:04:39The Scream don't they'll be with their
1:04:41grandkids there be playing a game of the
1:04:43grandkids hey wait admitted toga shot
1:04:46first at-bats over the line that had
1:04:49long as they don't have those high-fives
1:04:51where they failed to make contact
1:04:53Leah will give to bottom angel and and
1:04:56I'm told you can be arranged but much
1:05:00let's all write a bad for outsourcing
1:05:02this script right here right now if we
1:05:05do it here then they won't do it there
1:05:07that's the idea right we just saved here
1:05:09is like saying bad things before you get
1:05:11on a plane flight just say all the bad
1:05:13things that you don't want to see the
1:05:15star wars movie and they won't happen
1:05:17that's exactly what banks charge of inks
1:05:18Jar Jar Jar Binks guns at all no guns
1:05:22and not even the background shot he
1:05:23walks he walks baby baby walks I i think
1:05:27the opening crawl will just say you know
1:05:29the galaxy is internal turmoil following
1:05:32wake of the Gungan extinction and then
1:05:36just continue on
1:05:37just remember that they're they're not
1:05:39already times can we say we're sorry
1:05:41here here's Hans solo again you like
1:05:44consoles are Wars Episode 7 the apology
1:05:47of your money back on any of the
1:05:48prequels or any of the toys you bought
1:05:50but let's just try to rebuild and that's
1:05:53the scroll to say Star Wars Episode 7
1:05:55than a big long empty space and then a
1:05:58thing imprint lisa says don't worry we
1:05:59got this
1:06:00yahoo or gotcha team is getting well I
1:06:04mean the message sent by having at
1:06:07having not only hiring JJ Abrams but but
1:06:11having Lawrence cast and involve right
1:06:13that that is a message of like hey you
1:06:16know that guy who wrote that Empire
1:06:17Strikes Back movie that you kinda like
1:06:19he's going to be really deeply involved
1:06:20in in the in the creative aspects and
1:06:22and one question I have and I don't know
1:06:24the answer i don't know whether it's
1:06:25lawrence casting JJ Abrams or or or if
1:06:28it's kathleen kennedy but she's more of
1:06:30a producer which is like the Marvel
1:06:32movies have some cut kinda like a
1:06:35showrunner or a creative supervisor who
1:06:37are plotting what they're doing and
1:06:39I assume you know looking at all the
1:06:42stories that Lawrence casting is sort of
1:06:44doing some of that for Star Wars of
1:06:46franchisees you know they've got
1:06:48somebody has to watch this stuff and say
1:06:50what are we doing and where we going
1:06:52from here and I think that's good i I
1:06:55think it's not just PR but i think it's
1:06:56a little message that this is a guy who
1:06:58understands the franchise and did good
1:07:00work in it and he's we brought him in to
1:07:02make sure that this stuff is okay that's
1:07:04kind of dangerous to like the whole the
1:07:06whole showrunner thing like that the
1:07:07person's the one person's personality is
1:07:10imprinted so heavily on the things
1:07:12they're running whereas again reading
1:07:13the the Empire book you see how how did
1:07:16the Empire story come to be we got the
1:07:17lead bracket thing with the more or less
1:07:19straight away then you had Kasdan and
1:07:20then you had Lucas and Kirshner and the
1:07:23three of them would argue with each
1:07:25other until they figure out what the
1:07:26hell the story was going to be and that
1:07:28the three of them kind of fighting with
1:07:29each other and no one of the you know
1:07:30that was before Lucas was like well it's
1:07:33going to be the way I wanted to be so I
1:07:34just do this like they would argue
1:07:36around the table to see how things were
1:07:38going to go and I think that benefited
1:07:40the movie because it had just been
1:07:41Kazmir gets to do whatever he wants it
1:07:43would have been as good as a movie in
1:07:44Italy because what you want filmic
1:07:46filmmaking the collaborative art by
1:07:48graduation right but like what I'm
1:07:50seeing here is like oh now it's like
1:07:51it's not cast in the nineteen seventies
1:07:53and eighties its casting now and I hope
1:07:55you if I don't I hope there's no one
1:07:57person running the show including JJ I
1:07:59hope that it is more of a like you know
1:08:01it because it's not like around this
1:08:04background to the Soviets yeah it always
1:08:07comes back there
1:08:08well don't like like Marvel you know Jon
1:08:10Jon Favreau was involved from the early
1:08:12stages and now Joss Whedon sort of the
1:08:14the dominant that thing although they've
1:08:16also got Kevin I keefy whose bethpage
1:08:20the pitch fade so he's like a disease
1:08:23anyway the they've got they've got some
1:08:26people who are working on it but that
1:08:28doesn't mean the winter soldier isn't
1:08:29still heavily influenced by the
1:08:31screenwriters and directors of it so so
1:08:33you know there's room for that
1:08:35creativity but there's also sort of like
1:08:36a an overarching vision that I think is
1:08:38kind of important like where we going
1:08:40and how is this all going to relate and
1:08:42I do wonder about that but I like I just
1:08:44like see Lawrence cast in there he just
1:08:46just because it's like he did this he
1:08:48kind of gets it gives you a link to the
1:08:50past and it's somebody who understands
1:08:52the franchise
1:08:53so I think that's a good message to send
1:08:54we'll we'll see what you know what the
1:08:56screenplay is like but I think it's a
1:08:58good message sent
1:09:00well as soon as JJ send us a copy of his
1:09:03script will be will be
1:09:05yeah you got to have about it i was
1:09:06trying to avoid I'm trying to avoid
1:09:08spoilers so I'm i want to go into this
1:09:10movie not knowing what it's about not
1:09:12knowing who dies not and maybe maybe
1:09:14that's a tall order but i'm going to try
1:09:15its yeah that is I mean I accidentally
1:09:18remember I've ever getting the Phantom
1:09:21Menace will quite an active am
1:09:23soundtrack yeah so I'm child would like
1:09:25to avoid that this time around
1:09:27episode 7 the death of Han Solo will
1:09:29anything else we should talk about
1:09:32before we wrap it up anything else you
1:09:34based on sort of like anything that's
1:09:36happened since this was all announced
1:09:38that you've got buzzing around your
1:09:39brains that we should talk I just I just
1:09:41keep thinking again we're sort of
1:09:43touched upon the holster reality of this
1:09:45actually happening i think when we
1:09:47talked about the the disney
1:09:49announcements but yeah I mean the idea
1:09:52that like well it's not gonna be very
1:09:54long before we see like a trailer or
1:09:55something that like I remember that I
1:09:57remember the episode 1 trailer being
1:09:58like a huge you and that we turn out to
1:10:01be crap but i still can't you know can't
1:10:04quite avoid getting excited about the
1:10:06idea of seeing this and let's so fair
1:10:09the episode 1 trailer was pretty cool
1:10:11that original one with the with the
1:10:13breathing that was great
1:10:14if only I had been building the next one
1:10:17was a bad but like yeah if they move
1:10:19they could have made a two-minute movie
1:10:20like it probably could have pulled it
1:10:22off
1:10:23no I'm hopeful i want to be hopeful i
1:10:26want to believe JJ I want to believe I
1:10:30mean it's Star Wars Spencer formative
1:10:32part of my life and my geekdom that I I
1:10:37can't like even if it's terrible even if
1:10:39it's the worst thing ever i can't help
1:10:42but want to love it and i'm going to try
1:10:44and stay positive and want to love it
1:10:46and like John avoid spoilers because you
1:10:49know what it's like as as in adults as a
1:10:52kid I love spoilers and I was like yes
1:10:54give me all the spoilers I want to know
1:10:56everything ahead of time i'll try and
1:10:58download the movie so I can watch the
1:11:00first 10 minutes over and over because
1:11:02the restaurant download it but now I you
1:11:05know
1:11:05I appreciate the move I appreciate
1:11:07stories being told in their in their
1:11:09fullest you know completest extent and I
1:11:12would i I'm excited to see what they do
1:11:15with it they certainly I mean they have
1:11:16a banner cast and they potentially have
1:11:19good screenwriters I don't see you know
1:11:21or sour or skirts skirts i can say his
1:11:26last war zone first vault or seven parts
1:11:28pasta is writing the script we have many
1:11:31people
1:11:33well sometimes their lines end up being
1:11:36lame pasta I just say more zone risotto
1:11:39I exactly terrible building i think
1:11:42through silly has done some excellent
1:11:43work only with all an Italian and it
1:11:46really just you know what the dog for
1:11:48graduation
1:11:49yes plots have great twist though the
1:11:52fusilli wants nicely but I'm bummed this
1:11:55this podcast has devolved now I it's
1:11:58gotten late now
1:11:59it all starts to make sense to me now
1:12:01because that I haven't you you should be
1:12:03very concerned right now you could
1:12:06possibly seek some sort of medical all
1:12:08right anything else we should talk about
1:12:09before we go I am I just gonna want my
1:12:13capper on this movies i predict escaping
1:12:15my music i'm predicting my response was
1:12:18going to be very similar to my response
1:12:20to the star trek reboot but magnified
1:12:22because i'm not as invested in Star Trek
1:12:23is as some other people on this podcast
1:12:25but i do care about it you know a little
1:12:27bit and my reaction to the the first the
1:12:30star trek reboot was like I had I had
1:12:33this things like this should be a really
1:12:35good movie and I'm going to hold it to a
1:12:37higher standard because i really like
1:12:38this franchise right and I did that with
1:12:40the movie and then what i found is when
1:12:42you know I had a little grudge like well
1:12:44that wasn't a bad movie it was actually
1:12:46pretty good but it should have been a
1:12:48little bit better because hey it's Star
1:12:49Trek right and then I found on repeat
1:12:50watchings i gave the movie a break and
1:12:52I'm like you know what I really enjoy
1:12:53this the same guy with a second movie
1:12:55like i was able to like you know and my
1:12:57attachment of Star Wars is even stronger
1:12:59so it's probably no matter how good this
1:13:00movie is I'm gonna be like well that was
1:13:02pretty good but and on repeat viewings I
1:13:05think it'd be like just relax just you
1:13:07know go with it like you just let go of
1:13:10your preconceived notions and how you
1:13:12think this has to be like Godfather Part
1:13:142 in space with lightsabers because i'm
1:13:15not going to be and just allow it to be
1:13:17biggest star movies I
1:13:19maintain like there are things I don't
1:13:20like about the micellar podcast but
1:13:22every time I rewatched the moment you
1:13:24know what I enjoyed watching that and
1:13:26like every time I watch it gets better
1:13:28that's not a bad thing to have this to
1:13:29say i would like this movie to be fun i
1:13:31would like to enjoy this movie like just
1:13:34that
1:13:35yeah i mean i have the worst thing that
1:13:37would happen for me is if they try to
1:13:39make this into we're going to totally
1:13:41reinvent the star wars universe because
1:13:43again this was not designed to ever be
1:13:45ground-breaking taxi drivers style
1:13:48seventies epics and you set the cinema
1:13:50this was designed to be we're going to
1:13:52take the very very classic warriors
1:13:55journey and we're going to make this in
1:13:57the style of a dogfight movies from the
1:13:59nineteen thirties and Republic cereals
1:14:01and we're just gonna deliver a lot of
1:14:02popcorn value for someone's 90 minutes
1:14:05for the running time and my overall
1:14:07attitude is that I'm perfectly fine i'm
1:14:09i'm really looking forward to these
1:14:10movies because if it's a terrible movie
1:14:14the first the movies that i still liked
1:14:16will still be there i will still be able
1:14:18to watch them like them and there's
1:14:20always a chance that they'll be really
1:14:21really good and we have an advantage
1:14:24that a lot of other generations don't
1:14:26have which is even if it's not a great
1:14:29movie we get to reconnect with that part
1:14:32of our childhood that we treasure and
1:14:34all of those influences that star wars
1:14:36had on as both personally and from an
1:14:39entertainment value and how it shaped
1:14:41our word worldview and every great
1:14:42memory that we have that's going to be
1:14:44really triggered and rekindle that we're
1:14:45going to enjoy it even a mediocre movie
1:14:47the way that other with the viewers are
1:14:50just not going to be able to access and
1:14:52certain star trek worked on that level
1:14:53for me exactly right it's like all these
1:14:56buttons that only that you know original
1:14:59set of characters could possibly push
1:15:01and and i'm also reminded i want to
1:15:05mention serenity not called well
1:15:08although i could mention you to the move
1:15:11the firefly a continuation film i
1:15:15remember coming and i said this on the
1:15:16pockets before my wife and I came out of
1:15:17that movie and said pipes fun i haven't
1:15:20seen a movie that was a sci-fi movie
1:15:21that was fun like that in a long time
1:15:23and some of the Marvel movies are like
1:15:24that too and there are there other
1:15:26movies like that but like I would like
1:15:27it to be fun right i would like it to be
1:15:29fun and and fun adventure yet
1:15:32out we're gonna have this burden of
1:15:33expectation we're gonna be like well you
1:15:35know it didn't do this and didn't do
1:15:37that and I don't know about that but in
1:15:39the end
1:15:40god I would if I had to pick one thing
1:15:42for a new star wars movie to be i would
1:15:44choose fun just if you if it's a fun
1:15:47ride and it doesn't check 20 different
1:15:50boxes and it isn't got the Godfather in
1:15:53space and then yeah that's fine as long
1:15:57as it's enjoyable fun and I leave the
1:16:00theater energized right well see even
1:16:03the fun aspects of like in the star trek
1:16:05movie like I was holding against the
1:16:07parts that I deemed not didn't take it
1:16:09seriously enough for example like there
1:16:10are parts of the starter motor resistor
1:16:11week giving it the example from into
1:16:13darkness is like the bikini scene or
1:16:14whatever but like in the first one like
1:16:16when his hand gets puffy I was like well
1:16:17that that's a little bit to slapstick
1:16:20for Star Trek right and i still think
1:16:22that's not the best sequence in the
1:16:24movie but now when i watch the movie I
1:16:26like I don't hold that against that I'm
1:16:28like okay well here's the silly part
1:16:29usually doesn't work because because
1:16:31there are good parts if you don't like
1:16:33their weaknesses in the movie and like
1:16:35and it's I don't want to take those
1:16:36weaknesses and say but you had this
1:16:38weakness but you have this one thing
1:16:40that I think wasn't the best choice and
1:16:42it's like just just ignore that part if
1:16:44the rest of the movie is good like I
1:16:46mean that there's their limits like I
1:16:47can't put the jar level kind of disaster
1:16:49in the middle of the good movie but I
1:16:51really just need to not get obsessed
1:16:54with the things that I know are wrong
1:16:55with the movie and just say what about
1:16:57things that are right about the movie
1:16:58right what about the good parts and
1:16:59especially in like maybe like a real
1:17:01started rebooting when I rewatching I'm
1:17:03like this opening sequence is
1:17:04unbelievable like with the childbirth I
1:17:06guess it's melodrama is ridiculous space
1:17:08opera like yes that's what it's supposed
1:17:10to be yourself seriously it's
1:17:12beautifully shot there's lots of lens
1:17:13the lens flares if you really like those
1:17:14you know really good lens flares contain
1:17:17a coded message for John you love in
1:17:20that like I'm I'm multiple viewings I'm
1:17:21like you know what
1:17:23that's an obvious stylistic choice and
1:17:24it's something interesting it's a little
1:17:26bit different if they use lens flares
1:17:27all the Star Wars maybe i'll be pissed
1:17:28but it's making choices and I think
1:17:30that's what it comes down to for a lot
1:17:31for good direction is making choices and
1:17:33not just being like that whatever
1:17:36whatever works like bunch of people on a
1:17:38catch against a green screen should be
1:17:40time for its making definitive choices
1:17:42sometimes those choices will be bad but
1:17:44a lot of times they'll be good
1:17:45so you know that's kind of what you got
1:17:46to go for ya almost certainly not all
1:17:50right i think this is a good discussion
1:17:52about a movie that's not coming out for
1:17:53a year and a half but you know Star Wars
1:17:56as much on our minds and it's
1:17:58interesting to see this this news
1:18:00continue to progress it is a funny thing
1:18:02to be in a world where star wars is an
1:18:06active franchise actively shooting you
1:18:08know as we sit here were or like in a
1:18:10week's time you know Harrison Ford will
1:18:13be acting in front of a camera as han
1:18:15solo how crazy is that
1:18:17I don't believe it I like the world that
1:18:21I live in right now
1:18:22yeah it's pretty great i didn't i look
1:18:24forward to being back with you guys here
1:18:25in like another six months as we like
1:18:26pick apart the miniature details of the
1:18:29trailer would come back yeah
1:18:30go to frame 107 that's right now advance
1:18:34my lightsaber handle that's being flung
1:18:36away man and enhance yeah alright well i
1:18:40would like to thank my guests for
1:18:41joining me to talk about this
1:18:43thanks Lisa thank you i enjoyed this you
1:18:46guys are making me feel a lot more
1:18:47optimistic about this panel with myself
1:18:50thank you the victory John siracusa
1:18:53thank you very much we'll try to keep
1:18:55you unspoiled most hours more problems
1:18:57Jason sure
1:18:59boy that that's been true lately so
1:19:02let's hope that maybe fewer problems in
1:19:04the future then more and thank you
1:19:06I have a great feeling about this Wow
1:19:09optimism i like it
1:19:11indian taco thank you i know and
1:19:17serenity called well thank you for being
1:19:19here I've I have
1:19:21you have no words alright no words I
1:19:24have no questions the force done
1:19:26use the Force will use the Force to go
1:19:29to sleep and think of quotes and thanks
1:19:32everybody out there for listening to be
1:19:33accountable
1:19:34this is jason still signing up will talk
1:19:36to you next time