Ep. 167: "Peak Phil Collins"
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[Music]
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hello I John but ding-dong
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how is it going but being gone
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ding don't make sure to sing that ah
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what I really want to sing is
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ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba but ramp that's
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from the star track
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yep that's what I really wanna sing but
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I'd I felt like that was a weird way to
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start the show
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yeah I've been thinking about you for
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the last 40 minutes oh haha not been
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listening to I have to keep this to
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contemporaneous but listen to my friends
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podcast talking about Genesis make sure
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you remember how much I loved genesis
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genesis the band or Genesis the be a guy
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a bomb was the first book of the Bible
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um alright yo I didn't you were really
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big fan of Genesis the first book of the
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Bible as a leg
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well yeah i'm going to say you know I
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can't Genesis and Exodus super-strong
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ok then you got to Genesis Exodus
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Leviticus numbers and Deuteronomy a
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little bit samey you feel an older
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brother I i think they did not have one
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cohesive editor for that I think Moses
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probably farmed it out i think i think
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Moses get some good work on the first to
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em you know what he had a stake in it
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anything but the rest of the three was
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all like that was like filling out
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contracts you know what's interesting
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about it or not lie down with shellfish
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in the desert man what's interesting
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about numbers is that that's the moment
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that Peter realized or I'm sorry was
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revealed it was revealed to Peter by God
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that he wasn't just out there trying to
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convert Jews moses and moses think Peter
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came along to later chapters
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holy Moses only only most is Peter one
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week of 11 in Americus
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oh sure you don't confuse with simon
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pearce telling Peter it was it was in
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its acts
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oh sure you get the accident you get the
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Romans sure yeah max in Romans I think
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our to it to the strongest books of the
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new testament I feel like letter 2
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Corinthians apparently i really get
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engaged all with me i'm john i know the
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b-sides right there
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because it just feels like look until
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the new testament what was it it was
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just a bunch of it was just a bunch of
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crosstalk you know what I mean it was
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just a bunch of like skies in the desert
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finally I'm trying to micromanage
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whatever would each other straight back
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to start track because really you got to
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be what we call the Old Testament is
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like the original star trac mtos we call
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it and then really uh you got you got a
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new testament kinda like Star Trek the
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new generation well and so and that but
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the thing is it's this new generation
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but it if it casts backward
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hmm and it ruined it reveals all that
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was all we didn't understand about
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Kirk's voyage purchase leads right right
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for you know I think a lot of that you
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get into the Joshua judges Ruth you get
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a lot of Captain Pike a ruth what I'm so
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what I'm what I like to think about is
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first interracial kiss on television
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what is the equivalent in the Old
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Testament George Takei and Adam West
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know what the first generate first
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interracial kiss was it was it was a
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bill cosby know it was kirkin Aurora how
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hot so that's big that's big news and
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there was a handsome woman
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well my goodness you know yvonne craig
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past this week
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yvonne craig was that I think I used to
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use shampoo I think you're thinking of
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gee your hair smells terrific
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no I don't know that was it a beer
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shampoo that was what I you know you're
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shy said no this was a macro micro past
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Oh bad girl bad girl one of my my
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primary original hard crushes who has
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passed easy
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yep uh well you know what happens is
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people get old out there they get older
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first and then they get old they cover
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this in Micah their orders for a while
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yes if they're lucky I love old people
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are but young people leave them in the
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Millennials snake people have a good
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you're so old and I'm like have you
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thought about the alternative
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uh well don't be lookin pretty good to
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you soon buddy
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also all those old man there's old Oh
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oh you get old and stale old for a while
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you know there's something you just keep
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your still old uh-huh
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but what happens is just the moisture
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goes at how dare me
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yeah you know this is the year in
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November I i begin my final year inside
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the demographic the only demographic
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that matters
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HR 4970 you're in the clash that's the
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only demographic that matters
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uh yeah pounds and has many bm's you can
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get the you're gonna get the / treatment
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and they're gonna put you on the cover
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of AARP whether you look at haha he was
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it would slash on the cover of AARP 10 /
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okay / welcome how old you have to be
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oh dear now what about stuff like stuff
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on there he's a handsome man that's 48
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wait really don't get it is 4800 he's
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not 48 what only God Almighty no he's
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not he's really looking 72 that's gotta
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be it's gotta be 51 all right here uh
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let's see how old stuff well probably 50
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ish of mac k 5050
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yeah what is he okay I'm gonna kill you
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yeah all right now always bored 64 @
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so51 yeah
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God look at that guy video for live
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sweet child of mine the other day looks
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she looks so much better now februari
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not to say too much Harry 643 and he's
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been married three times he is 51 born
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in February 64
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yeah so definitely Generation X Gen X as
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we call it who uh yeah he was not he
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didn't look good when he was doing doing
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a lot of drugs it was not a good look on
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him we had that soufflé hair but it
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looks amazing now you look at him
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yeah yeah yeah he looks like something
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that was carved out of mahogany and then
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painted who and then left in the park
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for a couple years and repaint it and I
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feel like that is a look i wish i had a
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look at you can pull off that hair
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that's amazing hair
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I look like something that
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was first of all delivered in scoops and
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then some scoop for piled on Community
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Design in California assembled in china
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and then select Susan first you throw
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some scooped a little film sweat i'm
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used to lack it don't think so
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I am York and then you missed it you
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look Shakespearean you look
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Shakespearean and what does that mean
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you look like who's the guy to get the
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poison in 20 wall stuff
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no you look at Falstaff a little bit I
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don't you know when I was young
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everybody called me Prince Hal because
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that's an obvious comparison white but
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but now who I feel like I'm Rosencrantz
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yeah right sure sure
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searching for your Guildenstern oh boy
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you saved still saving that for prison
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right uh who Shakespeare yeah did you
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see what time you're going to reach
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experience you go to prison
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yeah I mean I literally could not read
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the liner notes of Shakespeare's sister
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who was she hurt but but I johnny hates
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jazz you saving that for prison
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oh are you kidding me i gobbled it up
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you can avoid Shakespeare just like you
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can't afford to avoid the Bible even
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though i literally I ran from room to
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room trying to avoid the Bible but I
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couldn't
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my grandfather read it all the way
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through every year
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oh if you say yes it's like infinite
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jest or like if you really set yourself
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to it and read it a little short bits
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you can get through the whole thing
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this is seriously the sum of the sum of
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there's a lot of repetition is the oh
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yes oh yes
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yeah i have read i have read to port you
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know the highlights of the Bible good
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portions of it like a doctor's office
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one of those like illustrated children's
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but I went you know I went to jesuit
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school and so there was there was the
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whole Bible as literature tact
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uh-huh that they took and I've read good
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have read the Shakespeare that I that I
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couldn't avoid but you know I mean I are
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all the older I get and I mean you know
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this kind of gets back to last week my
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cop out about his TV the new books but I
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i think it's so much more
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it's so much more interesting to see it
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staged or let's be honest to see a movie
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like you know if you can't get into
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Henry the fifth I can't help you like
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that movie is so goddamn good that is
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the gateway drug for Shakespeare movies
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it's really awfully good they're also
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good Shakespeare movies there are some
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very good Shakespeare movies and but
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like reading it is it does feel like
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you're eating your vegetables whereas
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that language becomes so much more
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lively and understandable when it's
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being acted out it's like saying well
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you know the godfather to the greatest
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movie of all time so you should read
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this script and write a paper about it I
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thought I stand on that I don't want to
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read The Godfather to script although
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now that you mention it I do want to
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read The Godfather to script that it's
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really good
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this and the fact that there is
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his politics I wouldn't have enjoyed
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glenn frey not to make not to really
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yeah right that's right he is he would
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he would absolutely fit in as a member
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of father john misty is band and the he
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like he blows it right away and I feel I
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feel like Clinton fry with a mustache
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was like really worked for me huh
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um like that at the denim the denim
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dudes denim dudes like she's against
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certain amount of guts to get on stage
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he did anyway I I I I should be kind of
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Phil Collins I should probably do some
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do some restitution because I really do
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enjoy my missing here listen to Genesis
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I'm looking at a picture of glenn frey
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he was inexcusable from the very
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beginning there was never a single
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what we're talking about
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talking about glenn frey and 74 he was
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mustache which I have like pre-dawn
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yeah that one hell of a guitar player he
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was I'm not
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I can't believe we've talked about the
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tonight did I ever tell you about the
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first time that i became aware of the
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fact that people hate the Eagles because
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growing up in the seventies in Alaska
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without a big brother
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let's just stipulate i did not have a
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big brother i'm just getting the Eagles
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the same way everybody else got the
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eagles they were kind of everywhere they
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were everywhere and my older
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big brother but in fact i do have two
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older brothers but they're much older
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Brother's for me
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non-canonical that's right they are
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there they were big brothers in a
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different orbit but one of my brother's
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gave my dad the cassette tape i'm sorry
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the 8-track tape of hotel california
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because he wanted my dad to hear the
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song life in the fast lane and my dad
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really embraced the concept of life in
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the fast lane and used to say it all the
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time used to quote it and he didn't
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really play the 8-track but it was lying
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around the house and dad would say like
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well that's life in the fast lane
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we're livin life in the fast lane and so
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from a young age I was like life in the
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fast lane is where we are
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all it's where you want to be and I the
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the idea that life in the fast lane was
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not a place that you wanted to be which
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is I think the message of the song and
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dad didn't really dive down the lyrics
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long enough to you know it's a classic
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it's a classic like born in the USA
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problem right people didn't get the
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what the song was actually about but
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sometime it was post-high school for me
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after I was in Seattle early nineties
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know like all that that band is terrible
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there they're almost as bad as the
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eagles and I was like what do you mean
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II the Eagles are bagged by how do you
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mean the Eagles are bad the Eagles are
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one of the they're one of the great
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bands there right up there with Lynyrd
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Skynyrd and uh and traffic and they're
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up there anything in the seventies they
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were kind of up there with maybe like
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the stones were they were like you know
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like Mona Lisa band where it's like they
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were just they were still there so there
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it would be unusual to have that strong
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of a negative feeling about them
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everybody nobody dislike them and
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everybody kind of like them i think that
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they were bigger than the stones in the
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US and well i mean i don't i can't go I
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can't go over there and see what it's
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like to be over in Europe in the
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seventies I can't even get there in my
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mind but I'm always surprised that when
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you look at record sales how relatively
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few records the stones sold relative to
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other bands that you that you don't
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think of as being bigger than the stones
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like you think of the stones as being
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pretty much top tier by any reckoning
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but the stones didn't really sell that
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many records and I mean obviously they
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sold lots and lots and lots of Records
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but i think that there might have even
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been stones albums the debt that didn't
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go platinum
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yeah especially in like the post exile
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period where they they had their own
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kind of little Jean help for a while
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where they had that hits but I mean like
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that some girls sell that many copies
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I don't know go to soup no that's like
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69 68 or 69 right but I mean do you own
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godson did you know uh no i don't i have
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some great stuff
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I have beggars banquet was called the
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cake 1 i've got is on Main Street is one
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of my favorites get those I've got going
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back to set up some girls and I had had
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some singles at the time but you know I
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mean they're sleeping around 50 years
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people people have been feeling like the
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stones are phoning it in longer most of
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the majority of their career right but
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but but you know the Eagles have the
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best selling record of all time or
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something well just alternate greatest
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their greatest hits the first greatest
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hits record was at one point at least
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only they got hell freezes over hell
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freezes over i think one of the highest
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selling as well
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yeah good point good well so anyway I
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just socially so you become at this
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point young John has become aware aware
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that people hate the Eagles yes and then
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the first time somebody said i was i was
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working at a pizza parlor and about 1992
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extra pepperoni on the slice or
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something I put extra pepperoni or forum
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never heard that the no one has ever
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said right arm to me in with that kind
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of musicality right on and right on felt
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like a sixties phrase uh-huh right on
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who and in 1992 saying right on with
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that kind of casual like flip and right
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on felt very much like a someone is
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knocking on my door
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Oh No expecting anyone no let me go over
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here and see what happens when you
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proceed with caution sure iĂm this is
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unusual
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surely did that was thinking Jarrod was
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journey heard from fire protection
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protection Thank You Jared for the heads
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let's keep we can't done you get some
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happy about you put pepperoni on the
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pizza with pepperoni on this guy's beats
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it was a I absolutely remember it's
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standing out to me because it was that
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great way that culture does we're at
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first it seemed like this one
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particularly cool guy
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had taken a phrase from the sixties and
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had just thrown it out there super cache
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parlor in the next four weeks i heard
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then a second guy say right on and I was
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like wait a minute i noted it the second
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had become a ubiquitous sort of
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catchphrase for approximately what year
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is this
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90-93 some 193 let's say okay and then
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it all over Seattle
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everyone said right on it went viral
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it went viral and I said right on and i
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continue to say right on now 20-plus
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years later and it was just a it was
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like the first time I heard dude you
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know it just became I I didn't realize
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in that moment that this was not a
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passing thing that this was going to be
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coming unimportant part a key part of
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the way that I was a cool dude
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because if somebody skateboards up to
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you always over the curb flips their
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board up grabs it in their hand and says
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hey John what's up
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it is eighty-five percent certain that
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i'm going to say right on over
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many things if anybody Ali's within half
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a mile of me I'm probably going to say
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right off uh-huh
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anyway same with Eagles hatred oh i see
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i heard this guy say the Eagles are
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bullshit at a party and I was shocked by
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it and within three weeks every single
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person I knew
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oh here we go to hear the bells idea
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thank God Garrett stop by
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well you know they're not
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not really that loud John it's not that
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loud i think i would it would it would
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wake me up from a nap but yeah it's a
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very i like it i was expecting more like
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reunion me
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yeah I mean I gotta be honest with you
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is I would just for your own safety I
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would hope for something a little more
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muscular man yeah but that sounds like a
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prius backing up
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but-but-but be that there's a kind of
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grinding that's happening underneath the
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beeping hear that yeah
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hey it's struggling well either
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struggling or it feels like it's more of
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an apocalypse alarm right it's more like
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what's there was to be a klaxon a klaxon
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ride a like a like an air raid
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yea though the december seven the
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morning of that's right somebody
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standing on a on a wooden towers like
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with a lever her running the klaxon so I
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don't know how long that's gonna last i
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hope it's not to start because it is it
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you think it's disturbing don't know no
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I don't think I'll be fine okay
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I mean do you remember do you remember a
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moment where the Eagles because they
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think that there was so much revisionism
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in seattle in the early nineties where
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everybody agreed that they had always
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been against the eagles oh yeah the
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right kind absolutely everybody agreed
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that they had always been you know I
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mean that the primary one being that
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every person in their twenties in
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Seattle had always been punk rock
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exactly that's exactly what i was
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thinking it's it's it's so easy to
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revise yourself back into like what was
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that you know that this should the Sex
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Pistols showing Manchester you know that
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they're supposedly like 10 people there
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but like everyone that was there
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woodstock everybody sees himself as
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having been there at the Genesis my god
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how long will that go on do you think
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it's over now huh you talk about the
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alarm and yes I revisionism know their
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visions will go on and on and on until
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11 i don't i'm trying to place i mean
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the the one of my head is like it's a
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joke in the big lebowski that you know
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no I his eagles yeah right but like I
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don't remember that being a me
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Emma but but no but the thing is I don't
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remember being mean but I definitely
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remember being something where they just
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rolls their eyes of the Eagles gonna
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give you some numbers just real quick
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here let's hear some numbers of kids
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from wikipedia which is never wrong some
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some of the big ones long run i'm just
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going to be us numbers long run 7 x
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platinum 17 x platinum yeah it's not
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it's just I'm just picking out for you
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here at eagles live from 1987 x platinum
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hotel california 16 x platinum Eagles
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greatest hits 71-75 put on februari of a
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76 29 x platinum in America alone
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oh my fucking god how many records are
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there that have done 30 million i mean
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there's obviously there's obviously
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michael jackson's hmm a seminal record
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thriller had like seven singles on it i
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think seven or eight
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let's get 30 million records that's got
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to be that's going to be a handful of
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records that have ever done that kind of
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yeah yeah uh-huh 30 million records
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equals greatest hits
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I don't know though I I am I i kinda
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like I like eagles well see this is the
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thing about the Eagles right if you can
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separate first of all if you can if you
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can erase the picture of dawn fri
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wearing a Mexican blanket in joshua tree
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from her mind fri if you can raise i'm
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talking about on friday now if you're
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talking to a guy from Steely Dan done
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talking for hi Joe vagin was a weapon
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when Rhys older brother who is a lawyer
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and if you leave my car here
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I can't get the picture in Mexican
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blanket and joshua tree tripping on
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p.o.l.o you're in a blanket
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I cannot so I if you can get those but
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the problem is you can't get now now
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let's take that is part of it is the the
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that does those images you can't get
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smugglers blues out of your heads the
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thing about good thing about as well as
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blue sounds like something on
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urbandictionary man about that chick
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fucking lobster now getting smuggled out
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of this
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I was sitting under its last coffee
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table and and she crashed over the top
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and gave him a Smuggler's bloons hahaha
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nobody but the thing is like like the
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the Don Henley singles who the boys of
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summer and the the other one about the
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about marxist revolution in nicaragua or
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whatever his two singles in the eighties
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were oh right yes I like oh dance dance
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all she wants to do is dance all she
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wants to do is dance that's right you
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got that Johnny can't read from his uh
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from his less well known us for solo
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album and I like the boys of summer
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partly because i'm a big mike campbell
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fan I think boys of summer is exquisite
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he told me that Mike Campbell of the
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bikers up the heartbreakers plays on
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boys someone on bomb
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you're kidding totally my candle oh my
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god that is one of the most tasteful
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guitar parts everything
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well you know he's very good at tasteful
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guitar that church of that changes
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everything and only in a good way i
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already really like that song I couldn't
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escape but it was there was one
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particular moment in the eighties when i
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was still riding the school bus I was 15
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I couldn't you couldn't drive yet
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obviously and the school bus driver
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listen to the radio and you know in
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Alaska in the winter it's obviously very
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dark and cold on your way to school and
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we're all kind of huddled in the school
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bus and the windows are icing over and
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there's nothing to look at outside but
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just some dark frozen nothing and every
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morning because that was the style of
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radio at the time they would play Don
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Henley's boys of summer kind of the same
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moment every morning like halfway
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through the school bus ride the two
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would come on
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they also played dancing days by the by
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Zeppelin on our don't know every morning
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at about the same time so these songs
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are kind of like drilled into my head
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and conjured that that ride to school
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really powerfully in me but you know how
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do you not like how do you not like boys
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of summer its various usually cut its I
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i want to obviously but it seems
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calculated to create a certain feeling
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and it really does that for me even even
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listening to it I have a certain feeling
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about in 85 and now whatever 30 years
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later I still have a certain feeling
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about it
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well I'm not feeling very evocative and
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very affecting that deadhead stick
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around a Cadillac line even it and the
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Wayfarers tip of the hat
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yea even at the time I felt like those
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were cynical and contrived and yet
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powerfully effective because i think
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that stick on a calyx pretty good line
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it's a great line but it felt very much
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it felt very pandering of a certain
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moment in 1980 whatever 80 whenever that
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was for 85 85 where where that was
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exactly the kind of rye knowingness that
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we all craved having like whoa man dead
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had sticker on a Cadillac right here
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bright am i right
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MRA and then the Wayfarers was just like
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some product placement
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uh-huh that really equated with the fact
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that everybody was wearing wafers except
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me i was wearing four days actually
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everybody was wearing Barney's to let's
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be honest there are only two kinds of
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sunglasses this is just getting worse
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and it's getting worse and worse there
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were Wayfarers people in their Barney's
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people and if I'm true if I'm honest
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with myself now i realize that i should
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have been away fares / so my god dead
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stick on a Cadillac you know what i mean
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is all identified as against this person
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because it it was more like what i
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thought i was no more Outsiders a little
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more ideas than Nikki yeah and I'm like
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no I'm a Barney's guy
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her but now I you know and I think for a
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long time I've if I were if I was honest
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with myself it was like now you were
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away from this guy the whole time
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Michael Jackson's Thriller forty-two
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point four million that's been that's
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bonkers but wait a minute
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the Eagles was 40 right 39 and let's see
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this is that this is a riaa i think i'm
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not sure i'm looking on the best-selling
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there's there's a 12345678 albums that
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have sold over 40 million copies if you
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if you want and when I'm sorry I'm sorry
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this isn't claimed sales claimed sales
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if you want the real 7151 265 million
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claim sales 42 certified in America or
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I'm not sure ACDC got 25 I'm just I'm
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just greatness on a on a curve here
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ACDC but back in black 25 million copies
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and there's there's some interesting
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ones in here bat out of hell by meatloaf
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20 million so that is the one when I've
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looked at this list before which I have
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done a thousand times the thing about
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soundscan I don't have you ever known
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somebody that had access to soundscan
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not directly i do remember when it came
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into being because it's when i was
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playing in bands of my friend it was
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like there are 92 or so write something
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around then nevermind the other guitar
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player my band was the manager of an
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awesome yacht be awesome record store in
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town and soundscan changed everything
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yes all the sudden everyone what while
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people are not listening to nearly as
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much of this pop rock as we thought and
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way more country than one more entry
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right so much more country
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come on when hip-hop tell the nice
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people how does what happened in the pre
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soundscan in the cocaine days versus the
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post soundscan what was the big
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soundscan they're doing the sales at the
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terminal it's not shipped copies its how
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many things people paid money for in a
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store right right and I and I you know I
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think that be I think that prior to
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soundscan the like the country music
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people didn't really even the the that
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culture wasn't driven by or rather that
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country music charts
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we're thing that the pop culture people
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just ignored who cared if you if you
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bought country records you bought them
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somewhere it was a good almost like had
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a big asterisk on it
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yeah right like it wasn't it wasn't like
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I'm just guessing here but it's almost
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like that well that's not really who
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were going for right yeah and and so
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whatwhat's and the charts were the
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charts were reported by radio right that
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was it was like it was casey kasem like
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he was some combination of yet the
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Billboard style charts which are totally
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crooked and you've got at one time the
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report was based on number of copies
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that were shipped ship which is why you
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could buy a copy of the kiss solo albums
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until like last month like they were in
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cut out for like 20 years because the
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number that shift we had to be the
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neuron much exactly how it worked but
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the record stores got the money back for
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the cutouts but they were still counted
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as being sold i think women i'm getting
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billboard built that because there was
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no system billboard just call record
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really yeah billboard had people that
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called record stores and asked them
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about their sales that's crazy and so so
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people at the rest would be like oh yeah
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Chris solo records sellin and the eagles
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records been selling a lot but there was
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also like record companies like David
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Geffen I'm sure did this would just send
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those guys a hundred-dollar bill in the
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family and say hey make sure you make
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sure you tell them that Don Henley's
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selling that stuff is that's never gone
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yeah so uh so then all of a sudden you
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do they could track it but then but then
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the airplay thing was the thing that
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like you remember a lot of those bands
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that were really really big on mtv in
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the early days
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turns out they didn't sell any records
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at all but their records were there
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their videos were high rotation and so
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it felt like they were huge
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anyway so yeah when soundscan came out
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it was suddenly revealed that the big
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just country records were selling more
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than the big rock records right and that
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was the dawn of country music as a
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country music is like a major economic
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and cultural force number for the
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bodyguard 27.4 million and and that's
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why nick lowe never have to work again
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well and also like what's interesting to
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me and I learned this through the
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through being friends with the posies
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alright is there on Austin Powers know
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they were on a reality bites
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oh yeah I'm sorry I told me this and if
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you get one song on the soundtrack like
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that so look at look at all the all the
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other songs on the bodyguard soundtrack
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right if you look at bodyguard
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soundtrack there some people on there
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that just that just basically punched
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their ticket they got some song on there
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that nobody gives a shit about but that
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but that that thing sold 27 million
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copies and they get some small
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percentage of every one of those which
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is which ends up being not small
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this is really interesting but but to
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have access to real soundscan which is
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which is a wonderful thing because it
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enables you to do if you and I had
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access to soundscan we would basically
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just be a podcast we would never
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it would it would take a moment to run
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the the raw firehouse
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yeah because you can say to me tell me
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how many records did a the James Gang
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cell i could probably say how many
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copies of the worst you can do as
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hard-working as harm sold the week
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before christmas in 2007 and you can go
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look that up you could say how many
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copies did the worst you can do is hard
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to sell the week before christmas in st.
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Louis Howe man and I could go look it up
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and so it's it's endlessly entertaining
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and it's beautiful and I do I have
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friends that have access to it because
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costs it costs $15,000 or something to
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have all that data in the only you know
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only record labels and certain you know
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journalist I mean you have to pay for it
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like share like like buying pro tools or
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whatever you it's a it's a it's a thing
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Justin Barcia can pursue never had
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soundscan but like merge does or be a
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bigger is better
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sure so it's one of the great it's one
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of the great gal baker's pink with ok
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right and it's alright so you got you
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your front with the glasses with move
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aside you get this in his chair for a
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minute that's right then my favorite
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thing to do is I'll be out in the world
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and I will you know but be somewhere and
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i'll meet some musician and we'll shake
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hands and hang out and have a coffee and
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a drink and or somebody will be like oh
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yeah are you can get from you know you
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know I know WT ours and I might have
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meant to me and how are you and we
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talked and we sit and have some coffee
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and then i excuse myself and go to the
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bathroom and I send a text to my man in
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havana and I say how many records to
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defeat Garza cell in 1997 and then I get
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the data back and then I can
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contextualize my relationship with that
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person and sometimes it's wonderful
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oh my god that's so that's thrilling
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because I'll be sitting with somebody
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and they'll be throwing they'll be
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throwing attitude at me because of how
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rock-and-roll they are and how then I'll
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find out what their soundscan numbers
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are through my through my back door man
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who and then I'm like oh you know what's
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up 18,000 I don't say it don't say it to
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him maybe they can see in your eyes
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well I don't I don't I don't take any
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shade off of them after I figure out
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like Oh your your your bestseller record
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and shit fool just because you know just
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because you've got skinny jeans on and
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you're wearing some and you're wearing a
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class clash badge on your Levi's jacket
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doesn't mean you can pitch attitude at
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me because you sold 21,000 records
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please check your numbers and that
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doesn't yeah it doesn't that I don't
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give a shit good for you good for you
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not afraid to really get in there mix it
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up yeah but the problem is you check
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somebody's numbers and they're like
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fucking sold 60,000 acres and I gotta
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shut up now
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Spice Girls album spice from 1996 28
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million that's impossible
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so yeah I refuse to accept that Adele
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her album 21
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ironically enough 20
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you 1.3 million copies but more than
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abbey road so right and Adele I mean she
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is a contemporary star of the of the
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moment and of the times
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yes and there are a lot more people now
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that's true there are more people right
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people people born people die Jagged
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Little Pill 24.8 million see I believe
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that because i still hear that should
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all the time in like that record and so
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that I didn't like it that its charm
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yeah it is that there was something
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about the way she chewed on her vowels
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that was like she was actually chewing
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on my bones honest why you to my bones
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while you chew in my bones and and and
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and and it might have been that I was
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you know that was that the area where a
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lot of satire not that different in age
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family and she was a she was precisely
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the age of the girl that was working
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behind the counter at the copy shop that
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I was trying to chat up over and that
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girl was lit actually listening to that
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record while shopping alright alright
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again chance on that one then she was
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glaring at me because it was really
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ironic and I was just like oh this is
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these are these are the worst of times
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little did I know how much worse it was
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going to be able to give honor nevermind
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16.7 million so you know that's
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impressive
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that's pretty good i wouldn't have known
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that what about Pearl Jam's 10 not even
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up there right 60 million
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I don't see it on this page and you see
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the guns and roses 21.3 appetite to 21
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32 party to see that's I would see
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that's it
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I mean that's impressive knowledge and
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that explains why some of my friends who
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were formerly in Guns and Roses don't
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have to work now
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yes but but just think about sears what
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nobody understands this is what I I
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never could get with the whole I could
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kind of get with it but the whole like
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Michael Jackson beat up thing about how
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he was in bad shape for money
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like what it's you and certifications we
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will because if you go in and you like
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build up this lifestyle and you have a
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fucking giraffe and like you do all this
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stuff like that's quite a nut is around
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for everything its ramifications you get
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all that stuff on the scene is good
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better and different i'm saying is that
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like if you've never just because you've
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never had as much money as Michael
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Jackson doesn't mean you can't have a
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little sympathy for like what happens
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today so if you have been planning out
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the last 20 or 30 years of your life
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based on how the last 15 years went by
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put better put what if what if what if
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you were Nick Lowe and like you have you
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were spending money as though it were
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1999 mm just assuming that hey the CD
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things going to just keep going up and
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up and up
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I'm just saying it must be a pretty
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different world not just for for the the
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guy from galaxy 500 but for like ever
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everybody it must be so crazy today I
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just can't even imagine what the graphs
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look like for some of this stuff i think
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michael jackson's problem was that he he
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he took out payday loans but he did like
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high-end payday loans
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yeah he was just he he he knew that the
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money was gonna come in and so he took
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out big loans from from shady operators
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based on his future earnings and then
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all of a sudden he could borrow against
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time he owned the beatles he owned sorry
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the the Macklin catalog right right
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right northern songs or whatever
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yeah but he got you know the problem
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with that is then then you're on you're
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on some ups and downs and you're paying
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eighteen percent interest and you know
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it i do not think that he was very wise
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well I think about this all the time in
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the sense that I'm lucky that I never
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made any money at all until I was 40
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right right because by then all my
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patterns were established I always live
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like I always live basically like the
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cook on a wagon train
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how come I've got my one pan and a bag
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of dried beans and some panic and a
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handgrip and coffee grinder and it's
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closer to the truth than I really you
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know any drink more tea coffee
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yeah you eat larger buckets of food yeah
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but I cook all my food in one pan throw
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some pork fat in there throw some beans
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in there got the ring the dinner bell
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thinking anything
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come on get it boys and you know and so
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now I now that's the thing I'm really
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ready for a big huge pile of money to
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fall on me because I know I would never
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take out a payday loan i would never
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assume that I would ever make any more
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money after that
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yeah it would be really nice right now
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for studio somebody to ring my doorbell
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thing better than a warning about a
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firearm yeah somebody ring my doorbell
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and I opened the door and there are two
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guys to kind of big guys in in those
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black suits where you feel like yeah
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somebody somebody paid good money for
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these suits but these guys are just so
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big that it's hard to get a suit to fit
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right yeah yeah and they're both wearing
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sunglasses and one of them has one of
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those a clear earphone curlicue
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earphones absolutely yeah and they say
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John Roderick and I go yes and they go
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like can only scan your retina or get
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thumbprint got some proof
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we're going to present you have a
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briefcase that handcuffed nobody's is
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because because it were talking about it
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we're trying to a larger sum of money
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than could be contained in a briefcase
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no parabens no Barry Bonds and I go yeah
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I'm John Rother can they go great
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there's somebody would like to talk to
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you and then and I look out in the front
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and there's like kind of monkey less of
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a man being pushed up in a wheelchair
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and now there are three life
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downright three black Suburbans right
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uh-huh okay in the door the door opens
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11 a guy gets out he's a young guy he's
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wearing a teacher maybe he's got a maybe
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he's got a hoodie so we could get the
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app class after class exactly he's
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wearing a hoodie but he's also got a
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suit jacket on but it's kind of you know
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like a plan or whatever and he's like oh
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my god John Roderick am i right
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he's like right on and he always up to
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my front porch and I'm like a man and
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he's like hey what's up
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shaka-brah gives me some kind of
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complicated handshake
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yep and then he's like listen big fan of
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router on the line just wanted you to
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know tomorrow my company is going public
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and i flew up here just to say that for
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all the help you've given us
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I just want to i want to have you in on
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this initial public offering and I'm
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just I'm just gonna give you 20 million
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he already paid for oh yeah they're just
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it's just he just had a mere marked who
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is he recognized the importance of
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rhetoric on the line to his hole in the
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other thought technologies built up in
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him and enabled him to be like i'ma
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guard the genius grant money
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exactly and then I you know what who me
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and he's like all i need to do is sign a
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couple of pieces of paper and then a guy
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gets out with the with thick glasses who
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kind of looks like the guy in the blade
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runner who is who designs eyeballs are
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you sure
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and he comes out and he's got a bunch of
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like complicated that I'm not signing
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any pieces of paper it's all digital
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private like you put your finger in a
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digital paez see I didn't exactly if he
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gives you one virtual reality contract
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have to walk into a virtual office for
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site maybe this is the product maybe the
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product is a company that makes virtual
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contract experiences and the kid is
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standing there kind of proud and kind of
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smug and like my great-great-great am i
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right am i right look at this
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hey turn your head to the side okay now
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turn it sideways all right what would
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you see at that and I'm like amazing
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this is incredible
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I don't deserve this and he's like
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listen this is the least i can do this
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is the least I can do to repay you
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and then the whole thing gets back there
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all pile back into the into the
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Suburbans which it turns out our are
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hydrogen powered mm and then blew off
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they go
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yep and then the next day it's on the
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front page all the newspapers now I
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would want my heart fuck well no not my
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not my thing but the idea that blew up
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the skits it's dipi and all digital
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contract store offices have changed the
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way that we do everything it's literally
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disruptive that's right and it's
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incredibly disruptive product and shares
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it's a fire sale on these things
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there were three hundred dollars apiece
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the stock split on its first day and i'm
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just sitting there like what do I do now
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uh-huh and I and I take my dinner bell
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down and my and my one all I don't think
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so i don't want to know why don't I put
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a minute I put them in my small bag and
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your window and and and I locked the
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door of the house and you know and then
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I'm just like kung foo and set it on
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mr. walking the walk in America kids i
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love that I love that as the last act
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though is that you finally you
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though is that you finally you
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you you finally get the get the possum
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just be a backup bag you walk away to
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make sure families out just you
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literally set on fire what fire it
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seemed very take it easy buddy it right
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like like them like a Norwegian funeral
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I don't know what you're talking about
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here which is what you say goodbye to
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Gary got one last chance to chat so i
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had heard a very interesting
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conversation between Gary and his his
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landlord dress his land lord Rick's
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yesterday
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what is that this is the lady who's been
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there for a while the lady talk to ya
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she was yelling at him she came out she
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was like Gary Gary wake up neatly I hear
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this band or slide open and she's like
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is my cat in there it's like I don't
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even know what you she's like I told you
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never to take my cat into your van is I
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don't even know I don't think so and
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then you can hear this is not a big van
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it's up it's like a shorty van and you
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can hear the two of them trying to
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figure out whether her cat is in his man
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oh man I 10 now want to search Gary's
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minivan and they cannot tell me you're
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either on Gary Gary it's not just the
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carries not copping to it he's actually
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legitimately not sure if there's a
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Katniss man I think Gary new but he's
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pretty is playing dumb and then turns
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out the cat is in the van and she yells
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at him for 10 minutes about the about
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the cat and then he starts to after he
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wakes up a little bit he starts to yell
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back at her and he says at one point he
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says well I know one thing and that is
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that i don't know huh
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I was like that seems like something i
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should write down was Socrates i think i
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was waiting now is awake right after the
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Civil woke me up in the morning and then
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they started yelling at each other she
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was like you don't yell at me Gary you
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do not yell at me and he was like i just
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feel like i do all the work around here
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no I know nobody ever gives me any
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credit and i'm trying to think of a
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single thing they can
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has ever done that I've ever seen but I
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didn't want to get involved i don't want
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to open my window and be the you know be
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the bad stick my head out with Mike you
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know my hair carlex yeah and we'll start
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waving my pan Adam you know you'd never
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do anything where do you get up over
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there and this is all a bit the latest
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news of course is the people next door
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to 22 where Gary and Skeeter lived they
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have a rooster now and it's a it's a
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young rooster a he's just coming into
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his own and so his cockadoodledoo is is
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pretty fucked up
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it's a immature cockadoodledoo oh that
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kind of sounds like a ok its kind of
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people person as we just go
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yeah and it's just like are you kidding
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me when does it end
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but on the plus side the possums are out
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possums are out touch totally just not
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there no no noise no traces no nothing
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so we trapped
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three possums and they went to live on a
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farm and then my mom in her inimitable
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this is like the last days of my
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political campaign so I'm working all
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the time on the campaign we have no time
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to think about anything my moms like
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listen I can't abide this I cannot abide
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that possums are getting into your house
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and I think everybody thought that I was
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crazy or something until i trapped three
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possums and then it was like oh shit he
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has possums living in his house and so
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my mom came out five o'clock in the
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morning as she does and she's strong
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wire mesh around the the base of my
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entire house so you talked about this on
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another program is this really true she
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dug a trench and filtered out of chicken
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wire put down to put down tight mesh
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Jonathan who might be new listeners to
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our program can ask roughly how old your
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mom is she's 81 years old
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okay she's out there but she starts at
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five in the morning because it's cooler
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and she's you know
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he's up already so why not get to work
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and so by noon every day should be like
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well that I'm done for the day and she
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did it on her own time but in the
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meantime you know the house next door
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got torn down on the other side and all
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the rats that we're living in that house
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went everywhere and so then just as we
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were getting the possums out I now had
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rats in the in the ceiling and so then I
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had to trap the rats but I've now
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trapped the rats have trapped the
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possums everything is trapped and in the
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meantime my mom hermetically sealed the
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the foundation of the house and and then
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I lost the election so now I have all
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the free time in the world ever you
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choose me and now my house is I think
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impermeable that's a real roller coaster
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fee right now I just had you know a lot
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of ups and downs and now i can feel
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autumn is coming but also a lot of smoke
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in the air right now from all the forest
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oh yeah the organ in Washington all
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kinds of smoking on
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yep and my entire family is going to
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Paris without me next week and so
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prevented by accident or did they tell
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yeah yeah well it was the thing we're
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actually all those suburban pulled up
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out front and so the guy jumped out at
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me was like I'm taking your family to
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Paris shit I'm I'm really busy right now
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go Paris so they're all going to Paris
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and then my mom and sister are going to
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Russia and i am going to be all alone
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all alone not just all alone but like
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all alone in America em you need a
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project I feel like you need to project
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you do man illegal assertive but you
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this this I mean that the obvious once
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you there you could work on your issue
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days album you could you could you could
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finish that fucking book there's all
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kinds of stuff you can do it doesn't
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have to be a house project this could be
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a project of the mind could be a project
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of the soul and heart i could they will
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you something that's going to keep you
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occupied where you might have something
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you know you hold your hand when you're
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done okay well let me know maybe we
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should put this to our listeners ok here
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are the choices right should I finish
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the long winters record which is a
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fully-fledged rock record which only
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needs lyrics should i get along winners
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record is done except for lyrics
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that's right should I sound of my all
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meeting my face okay that's one that's
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one should i make a record of super sad
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solo acoustic piano jams where I sing in
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a low register sort of gravely not Tom
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Waits but like sad breathy slow piano
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James you can make a few gonna happen
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helpful yeah basically
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should I make like a bleeps and bloops
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record of loops and like up-tempo
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electronic a problem EDM John not EDM
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but like like like electro-pop
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electroclash something is aloose bleeps
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and bloops yeah something like that
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so those are the three musical options
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ok I could finish my book about my walk
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across europe i could graduate from the
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University of Washington huh
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I i could write a different book about
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my recent experiences or I could set to
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work on developing a television show for
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the internet okay what what that's like
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yeah something like that you got it you
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got long winters you got long winters
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you got bleeps and bloops you got low
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register piano right you've got finished
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the book about the walk
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you've got a row graduate from college
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and graduate from university of
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washington that's easy to do
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wouldn't take much but it's you know
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what is going to paper paperwork is
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paperwork tonight as creative you can
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read a new book about your recent
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experiences know what was the last 10
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alright a TV show for the internet
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develop a television show for the
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internet I
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it's all roughly the kind of things that
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maybe not necessarily finish could you
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make a pretty good cut in most of those
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over to three weeks i think if I devoted
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myself entirely to any one of those
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things for two weeks where it was just
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like this is all you're doing for two
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I'm far enough along on all of those if
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I spent nothing but two weeks deciding
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to graduate from college I would
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graduate who if I spent nothing but two
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weeks writing lyrics to the long winters
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record i would I feel like I would need
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something additional to that like not
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just this is all you're doing for two
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weeks but there are real consequences
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I don't think there are any consequences
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to not finishing because I've already
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endured all of those who but there if
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there were some real if finishing in two
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finishing that record produced some some
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kind of immediate result like like that
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the that day you will be you know you'll
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be ushered into the to a new room in
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your own house that you didn't know was
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mmm something something where we're for
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like I have a have a that it's not just
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two weeks from now I'm gonna have these
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songs two weeks more worked on right
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it's that two weeks from now if this
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record is done than X like yeah at two
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weeks up i don't think that would be
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enough to finish the book about the walk
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across Europe but it but it would it
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wouldn't hurt it
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which arm off stop your head don't
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overthink it which one do you feel the
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most energy or enthusiasm about the TV
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must be interested that's totally new
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yeah but the TV is the TV TV program to
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really do it would it's incredibly
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collaborative it would require a team of
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you have to really work with other ppl
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yeah five to 10 people and yeah and that
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is less of a challenge for me that it
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would have been a long time ago
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it's just the challenge is finding those
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five to 10 people and having them want
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to do it also would you be doing the
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music at your home
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we have to go to studio i think that uh
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the songwriting part I could
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do in my home who the recording it but
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that's the thing i don't think i could
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finish the album in two weeks but I
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could finish the songs and finishing the
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songs it would require a little bit of
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of brian eno rising myself if you know I
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would have to i would have to adopt some
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oblique strategies in this little stack
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of cards i would have to say good enough
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multiple times i would have to do a
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thing a week style thing or a thing add
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a style thing which is very hard for me
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to say good enough have some of these
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could be a little bit ambitious for that
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amount of time
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yeah well I mean the thing is I I'm not
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limited to two weeks i could extend that
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deadline to a month but at a month it
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seems far enough away that he was shot
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what if he shot to record whatever
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material you needed to produce the
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equivalent of an EP of low register
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piano songs
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ok so I'm just saying like you could
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record enough for an album then choose
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the whatever 325 best MVP
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well I don't know what you call it but
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the idea is the idea would be what if
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you what if you your goal was to have
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however much you write and record have
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325 finish things that you really like a
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lot got that seems pretty doable and you
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can do it right there with the piano
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that seems doable but since that seems
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eminently do I don't wanna I don't wanna
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you know scotch the democratic process I
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think the listener should be able to say
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you know what they think but you you
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know the the ambition
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you know you can use one right now you
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can use a win that's that's a good way
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of putting it
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yeah give yourself a whim put some
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points on the sports board put points up
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on the sports bored with by scoring some
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goals people like it when you play piano
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John you know you know i mean i'm a
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terrible piano player but that you have
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that good of a guitar player
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well that's true too but you know new
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songs kind of exciting it's a new thing
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see now that feels doable
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you know how to do all those things mean
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I'm just tossing it out I didn't show
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the other day with the with the Watkins
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yeah i saw a photo of you it down i
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thought that i see was that photoshop
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wasn't really with you in Apple in the
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photograph guess being filled apple and
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the Watkins kids sarah & sean watkins
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who were that who were two-thirds of
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nickel creek
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Oh with the the bluegrass e country-ish
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yeah that's right because I enjoy them
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yes they're very very good you're
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awfully good i've heard them on NPR and
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they're good they're extremely good and
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they're also extremely nice but they are
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they are extremely good in a way that is
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it's one of those things where you're
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sitting in a room and you're like these
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guys are my friends and they are
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musicians and i am a musician may have
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put out records and I put out records
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and we are of the same class and then
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Sarah pulls out her violin and Sean
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picks up his guitar an instrument that I
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also play and they say well we should
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learn a tuned for tonight's show
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uh why don't we do that song by the
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Carter Family somebody left my chicken
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up in the challah or whatever to the 344
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that's right two three four and then he
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goes up reportedly panel about parent
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company seriously no no no your little
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bit and and I'm like holy shit they're
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really good musicians and then they'll
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then they'll get to the chorus and
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they'll do a thing and they'll stop and
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Sean will say I think instead of C sharp
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there you want to go all the way to the
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e and she's like really and the name
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they don't really count off they just
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launched back into it and she goes to
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the E and then they both get a really
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satisfied look on their face and then he
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says yeah because that then that makes
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it a seven and eight and then she says
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let's do it again and they do it again
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and she puts a little a little like
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thrill in there
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and then the second they do it again and
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then he catches the frill set the next
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time without they don't say that I could
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I could watch that all day and i'm
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sitting in a chair like and so they've
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got effectively AC chord in three
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different place exactly and then so then
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a girl walks in and she's in a she's in
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a really like a really nice dress
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she's a beautiful woman and all
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incidentally they're all very handsome
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I mean they're all very lovely looking
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people also and that she walks in and
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she's she's a she looks like somebody
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out of a dear friend looks like a woman
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out of a TV reenactment of the early
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days of the Ryman Auditorium like I'm a
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contemporary a contemporary TV show of
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like the fifties at the fifties in
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Nashville
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uh-huh so she's she's perfectly put
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together but also she looks modern just
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modern enough that you know that you're
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watching a reenactment
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and I think to myself oh here is a
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friend or hear that she's going to MC
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the show or maybe she's a vocalist but
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she pulls out a violin and they start
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the three of them playing and you
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realize that this woman is an incredibly
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good violinist also and they are now
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playing harm harmony with one another on
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the violin to fiddles and doing the same
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business of like they'll stop and one of
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them will say well why don't we just do
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that what we do the whole goddamn
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goddamn got you got you got caught with
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your pants down and I'm like what the
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fuck is that they're talking about now
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and then they all go a little lip dearly
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there and which apparently is Oh goddamn
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got caught with your pants down and i
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realized that i am not a musician at all
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right that they are musicians at a level
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where they they have they are speaking
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of common language that they understand
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and are able to
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they're able to speak fluently and by
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comparison like my knowledge of my
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instrument and my knowledge of music as
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a language is is very much like spanish
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101 and I'm so pleased that whatever
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course my life has taken has delivered
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me into this backstage room to be apart
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to be just someone sitting in a chair
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while this goes on around me and knowing
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that this is their life they do this
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every night and they have this this this
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facility and so yeah right if I think
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too much about my piano my slope sad
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piano EP and realize that there is an
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aspect of it which will just be a primer
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on how badly
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John understands the piano right here
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that could be the title of it but i
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cannot be inhibited by that
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no I have to just say this is a document
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of my particular orbit around the sun
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which is which is not comparable to
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anyone elses and in my or my in my
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multiple orbits around the Sun this is
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what I've come up with
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here's how I figured out how to you know
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I found this box that has these white
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and black levers and even though there
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were people in books around that could
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explain how it works to me I ignored
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them and now I've this is what I came up
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with so that's the that that has to be
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my approach but like the experience of
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watching other musicians oh and so then
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play some songs and their band is those
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two and then Fiona Apple and then the
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drummer from lone justice what and the
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bass player from collective soul were
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collecting souls that would think so i
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don't have long justice
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me too mmm
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and uh and w Garza who I referred to
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earlier in this conversation playing the
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piano and the and the guitar and it's
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like their entire band is just awesome
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musicians who are like maybe was soul
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coughing I think maybe the bass player
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was from Soul Coughing wow yeah yeah
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they tell it was the baseball for
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copying our collective soul tight a
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tight group really tight group of really
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really really dynamite players who all
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dynomite and playing music that just you
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know for effortless effortless
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effortlessly tumbles tumbles down like a
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waterfall
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it made me really glad actually because
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for whatever reason i was invited in and
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it feels much more like where I belong
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even even recognizing my my limitations
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oh well just get to state what seems
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obvious to me and I don't necessarily
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mean this is consolation but I mean you
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come out from a different point of view
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you had him in my mind you you know i
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don't know it's your not being too hard
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on yourself but you're being a little
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hard on yourself you expect me to come
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at it more as a singer-songwriter like
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you come out as somebody who you have
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learned guitar and piano in order to
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write and perform songs which is
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different it's different coming up and
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and you know spending years in music
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theory or a conservatory or something
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like that it's a different approach and
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I mean and to state the super obvious
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like one of your most beloved songs is
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one of the simplest songs like next to
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roadrunner or Louie Louie your most
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acclaimed song in some ways it is the
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the most basic 3-quart song ever written
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but you imbued it with so much heart
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that people can hear a three chord song
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in the two thousand and cry when United
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is gonna go faster miles an hour
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yeah that's what you do you should do
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you should do a bunch of jonathan
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richman covers with the radio that kind
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of the chewing gum wrapper
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hey no but I mean right i mean like in
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like a little kid could play commander
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thinks aloud and make people cry then I
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think there's nothing I mean I mean
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it'sit's not Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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but it's not supposed to be but no
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anyway are you meant that anecdote was
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mostly a positive thought you were going
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in a different direction as a positive
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thing you like being around those people
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even though you maybe didn't feel quite
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up to muster in terms of like the
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chemistry they've got but i'm looking
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here at davydd Garza's page on the
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wikipedia and he works with nickel creek
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greatly Phillips few an apple he's in
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the largo crowd it sounds like it's all
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it's all very largo for sure but we know
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he's not that active jon brion man that
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can just be justjust place on whatever
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you just start playing anything and the
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and this is that that's the thing about
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this entire group they're all that style
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of musician you know i've i've spent
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plenty of Plenty years around people
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that you put any instrument in their
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hand and they go how does this work in
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the you know the first thing they start
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doing is tuning it which right away if
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you hand somebody an instrument that
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they've never seen before in the first
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thing they start doing is tuning it you
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know that you're in trouble
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this is called a Chapman Stick I think
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it's a little flange while and then they
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just start figuring it out and the music
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just pours out of it you're like oh
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right you it's not that you don't know
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how to play it it is just that but it
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kind of skill you think of is coming
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from jazz musicians in propositional
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jazz musicians but apply to you know the
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rockford acular well or that the the the
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Nashville door into rock and roll is
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such a different door you come through
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the Nashville door and you have all this
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knowledge that applies or that you
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learned initially in the really really
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tightly fenced-off world of Nashville
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songs where there are no surprises or or
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mountain songs you know hillbilly music
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write anything it's almost like blues
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where there's a pretty prescribed form
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and even when there's like a freak or
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you can pretty much guess what the freak
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or it's going to be you know what it's
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going to be
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and all we have to do is here once
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you're going to catch it the second time
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around here you know every song a lot of
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the hill songs they do have one surprise
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in them
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uh-huh but all you have to do is learn
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the surprise and the rest of it is you
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know is just a it's just a matrix but
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then you you come out of that room and
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you come out we come from that world and
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you walk through the door into rock and
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roll you still bring all that knowledge
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with you and the Rock and Roll isn't
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that different maybe the songs have two
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surprises but you know building at the
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the other way from from the direction i
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came which is like learning all the
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surprises or don't learn and learn
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nothing first of all that was my first
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rule but write your own surprises and
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see if you can make surprises that fool
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everybody and you know what i have done
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I've had a lot of success making
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surprises that fooled really good
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musicians but what I don't have is all
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that connective tissue knowledge that
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you know i mean if somebody played
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something for me it's all it all feels
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like a surprise to me
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uh-huh was just like wow I mean like us
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you know all that stuff that Jonathan
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Coulton knows about how courts fit
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together
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it all seems like magic to me just like
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to see and how you can combine like in a
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way that is not showy but the way he
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combines what's happening with the music
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what seems like a fairly simple music
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and then combining that with what seems
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like a fairly simple harmonies but being
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able to like bridge these little
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sections together pollen storm really
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good at that too i mean they have so
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much vocabulary that they can pull out
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and when they're performing with with
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the combination of you know musicality
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and the singing like that that's that's
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just watching that happen in front of
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you is just stirring and it comes from
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learning 10,000 covers i think in pollen
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storms case i'm jonathan the thing that
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people don't forget about John are the
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people think that people forget about
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Jonathan Coleman is that he majored in
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music at Yale so he learned it's like
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majoring in french at Yale you had
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better be able to speak French you find
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all those little worm holes between
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between keys and styles and things like
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that without having to do the math in
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your head
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you just kind of say old is this here
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and there's this there and you know like
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you say there's one twist one surprise
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and in the most rock songs but he finds
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a way to like and and with lyrics to
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with the lyrics and I don't know he's
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saying the guy's a total package
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yeah that's the thing you can't that's
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something you can't you can't teach
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can't teach that lyrics thing you would
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it kill you to be civil i think it's
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lying to myself all the time just always
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thinking Jonathan Coulton song is that
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oh yeah I I there they're just the thing
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is his songs like they may be Giants why
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don't even say this girl looks like i'm
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just gonna say three syllables dr. worm
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is dr. worm the greatest songs of all
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it's not even the greatest thing might
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be giants song of all time but once i
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hear dr. worm I will be singing it all
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the time for three grown-up days have
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turned on the TV is a real worm
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yeah that's right he thinks he's getting
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better on the drums but you can handle
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criticism
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yea verily my god
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oh this guy's would I wish those guys
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would share a little bit of what they
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have with me i don't know how they would
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go about doing that plan what you just
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described their love you know I mean we
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know you were both fans of things like
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the rock documentaries and behind the
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music and like I could just watch that
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stuff all day long but in that case
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that's a retrospective it's super
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interesting retrospective but in the
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case what you're describing like
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watching that happening in in real time
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in a room is it really is an overused
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word but it's a little bit magical it
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feels like there's something alchemical
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happening that nobody in the room can
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really exactly identified but when you
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watch your like what did you just do
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know how did how did all of that just
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come together and then you did two more
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things that came together you didn't
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have to talk about it it's just it's
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it's so amazing is you know anybody
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who's great at their job working with
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other people are great at their job like
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I could watch that stuff all day one
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yeah you know that's what it boils down
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to right this is again inspiring to you
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in the sense that this is me you maybe
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want to do more of this some music stuff
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well it is my it is the world that i
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have struggled
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within for a long time and running for
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office absolutely reminded me that
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whatever my struggles were in in
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figuring out how to solve my music
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problems those struggles from within
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from within a political campaign those
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struggles suddenly seemed like the
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funnest most awesome problems to have
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like a what what was your problem it was
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hard to write lyrics
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oh well why don't you think about that
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on your way to this meeting in a union
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hall where people are going to where
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people are going to be visibly not
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interested in your ideas and then then
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let's talk about how hard it is to to to
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finish lyrics that at least your fans
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are waiting for with bated breath
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it's if there's something thrilling and
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life-affirming about having challenges
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problems or however you want to phrase
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it to to have problems that you can
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understand and results that can matter i
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think what drives us crazy is to feel
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like we don't have power over the kind
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of work that we're doing and feel like
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even if it went flawlessly it still
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wouldn't matter and like as much as it
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seemed like maybe seems silly to be like
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a guy who writes lyrics rock songs but
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it's a problem you really can't
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understand it's a result that really can
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matter and it really is just up to you
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to do it which is a very very different
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kettle of fish than what you've had
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since april or whatever
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yeah well and and in particular like not
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taking for granted the fact that there
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are people who genuinely want the
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genuinely want what I what I'm trying to
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and they're not yeah I don't have to
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convince them they are there waiting
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already for this thing and it is hard to
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do but that difficulty that the pain
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that the payoff is not it's no small
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thing to to finish a record and know
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that Matt Howie wants to hear it and
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he's not just he's not pretending that
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he wants to hear it
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uh-huh he you know he's he's been
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waiting for a long time and a lot of
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people have but you know that record
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still has to be good
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I'm not just gonna make some shitty
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record just to make those dorks happy
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yeah you're above that right uh-huh no
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it's the smart way to look at that
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fucking you gots listen
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yeah wait a little longer i'll have that
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feel that feel it takes a long time I
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gotta think about it get two weeks ago I
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