Roderick on the Line

Ep. 166: "Hella NPR'd"


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00:00:20   cheap people keep putting the wheat pop [TS]

00:00:25   hmm [TS]

00:00:33   my bad habit to pop tap tempo a pump to [TS]

00:00:39   pump em it's hard going to podcast boy i [TS]

00:00:52   would have to ask the master that I'm [TS]

00:00:55   afraid I don't know who you need this is [TS]

00:00:57   that this is the first time in all the [TS]

00:01:00   years that we have started our podcast [TS]

00:01:02   without saying hello but but rather with [TS]

00:01:04   some some strange bird noises they were [TS]

00:01:08   on [TS]

00:01:09   I don't know kind of tropical kind of [TS]

00:01:10   domestic a little mix of the old world [TS]

00:01:12   the New World Food you're giving me some [TS]

00:01:15   good insight into how to have more than [TS]

00:01:17   one podcast at a time [TS]

00:01:19   yes and yes ahem not like I yes and [TS]

00:01:25   there's so much to talk about and now i [TS]

00:01:30   can't remember whether I talked about it [TS]

00:01:31   on my other podcast already she's this [TS]

00:01:33   is what I was worried about [TS]

00:01:35   oh did I it I already talked to you [TS]

00:01:37   about the time that I was them was that [TS]

00:01:40   the other podcast yeah how do you feel [TS]

00:01:44   about scrambling eggs [TS]

00:01:45   oh it's in hate it when you take you [TS]

00:01:49   take the egg in your right hand and you [TS]

00:01:51   tapping on the edge of the bowl [TS]

00:01:53   oh wait a minute hold on stop right [TS]

00:01:55   there [TS]

00:01:56   you-you-you crack that egg on a on the [TS]

00:01:59   edge of the bowl Merlin you're gonna get [TS]

00:02:01   all of the bacteria from the ball right [TS]

00:02:02   in the egg dad cross-contamination you [TS]

00:02:05   cross contamination [TS]

00:02:06   I you know on the weigh-in today i was i [TS]

00:02:10   was sitting here drinking I'm drinking [TS]

00:02:11   my coffee and my in one of my beer [TS]

00:02:13   steins and I realized that probably [TS]

00:02:18   fifteen percent of everything I put in [TS]

00:02:22   my body is coffee mold right I've got [TS]

00:02:27   coffee mold and breathing coffee mold at [TS]

00:02:30   all times [TS]

00:02:32   and i'm drinking coffee mold from a [TS]

00:02:36   variety of sources the primary sources [TS]

00:02:38   I've never cleaned my coffee maker so [TS]

00:02:41   full of coffee mold John that has a huge [TS]

00:02:44   impact on the quality of your coffee you [TS]

00:02:46   gotta clean your coffee maker and then [TS]

00:02:47   and then I I by a horde of Boy i see i'm [TS]

00:02:53   so used to lying since my my political [TS]

00:02:57   days [TS]

00:02:57   oh if you know it's gonna be a long road [TS]

00:02:59   the ready truth that I can't even I [TS]

00:03:01   can't even remember what's a line what's [TS]

00:03:03   not but I've never bought this is gonna [TS]

00:03:07   be a good one I've ever bought a pound [TS]

00:03:09   of coffee of my life I just about i [TS]

00:03:11   started talking like when i buy coffee [TS]

00:03:14   as though I ever buy copy like you're [TS]

00:03:17   like how Holbrook doing mark twain [TS]

00:03:19   except you're doing yourself think it [TS]

00:03:23   reads better if I say I by about how the [TS]

00:03:25   coffee at a time by a pound so what [TS]

00:03:28   happens to me is that someone gives me a [TS]

00:03:30   pound of coffee that is how i get coffee [TS]

00:03:32   people give me coffee and the reason [TS]

00:03:34   people give me coffee is that coffee as [TS]

00:03:36   you know on the west coast in particular [TS]

00:03:38   is one of the primary schwag elements [TS]

00:03:43   oh yeah right you go to a thing and [TS]

00:03:46   they're putting together a gift bag or a [TS]

00:03:49   gift basket and the first thing they do [TS]

00:03:53   the first thing they put in a gift [TS]

00:03:54   basket is a pound of coffee because [TS]

00:03:56   there's a tremendous coffee surplus here [TS]

00:03:58   there's so much freaking coffee and [TS]

00:04:01   everybody is a coffee roaster a coffee [TS]

00:04:03   grinder a copy importer and so they've [TS]

00:04:07   just got warehouses full of coffee and [TS]

00:04:10   everywhere I go somebody's putting a [TS]

00:04:12   pound of gourmet coffee beans in my hand [TS]

00:04:14   and so I bring it home and there was a [TS]

00:04:17   what there's a while there where I had [TS]

00:04:19   like 30 pounds of coffee in my freezer [TS]

00:04:22   and then I then they're all the people [TS]

00:04:25   that are like never freeze your coffee [TS]

00:04:26   don't what are you talking about freeze [TS]

00:04:29   your coffee it's gonna ruin that and I'm [TS]

00:04:30   just like you know what I've got 30 [TS]

00:04:32   pounds of copy [TS]

00:04:34   I'm good I'm good way past the [TS]

00:04:36   apocalypse right everybody of people are [TS]

00:04:38   going to be knowing on each other Shin [TS]

00:04:40   bones and I'm gonna be sitting on top of [TS]

00:04:42   a giant pile of frozen coffee [TS]

00:04:44   like that image so I'm confident in my [TS]

00:04:48   choices but seems starving zombie-like [TS]

00:04:50   creatures shuffling towards you and your [TS]

00:04:52   butt's nice and cold [TS]

00:04:53   nice and cold I get you a copy make [TS]

00:04:56   frozen coffee makes a good ice pack to [TS]

00:04:59   if you spring a sprained wrist or [TS]

00:05:01   something I lifehack yeah but-but so [TS]

00:05:05   lately I've had some cock I've had some [TS]

00:05:07   coffee has been sitting out on the [TS]

00:05:08   counter for a month and a half and from [TS]

00:05:13   what I know about coffee mold which I [TS]

00:05:17   have learned from reading magazine [TS]

00:05:19   articles and and from hearing you make [TS]

00:05:22   that sound [TS]

00:05:22   whenever I talk about it and presumably [TS]

00:05:25   what I've learned from dan Benjamin [TS]

00:05:27   telling you about coffee mold because [TS]

00:05:30   i'm sure that conversation happened I [TS]

00:05:34   realize now that that coffee that's been [TS]

00:05:36   sitting on my counter for a month and a [TS]

00:05:37   half is probably fifty percent mold and [TS]

00:05:42   I just make it and drink it and it [TS]

00:05:44   tastes like mold like so many in the [TS]

00:05:48   chain of custody from whatever coffee [TS]

00:05:51   grows on 222 being expelled through you [TS]

00:05:53   there the chain of custody is just [TS]

00:05:55   riddled with problems there's all kinds [TS]

00:05:56   of places for the introduction of [TS]

00:05:58   different kinds of unsavory things you [TS]

00:06:00   don't know you're not keeping you [TS]

00:06:01   keeping a tight lock on that and this [TS]

00:06:03   isn't even copy that's been through a [TS]

00:06:05   civet but right so I just a man i'm [TS]

00:06:08   thinking like then there's all the [TS]

00:06:10   coffee cups i leave lying around both in [TS]

00:06:14   the garden and in my office [TS]

00:06:17   there's just gotta be so much coffee [TS]

00:06:19   mold I if I had if I had some they live [TS]

00:06:21   glasses but instead of seeing aliens [TS]

00:06:23   among us it they could just see coffee [TS]

00:06:26   mold of my heart of it might also be the [TS]

00:06:29   nature of the stein I don't want to [TS]

00:06:31   introduce new things here but you know [TS]

00:06:33   the stein it's probably like a pottery [TS]

00:06:36   kind of Stein right it's not like it's [TS]

00:06:38   not like well uh plastic or something [TS]

00:06:40   it's probably somewhat porous it's a [TS]

00:06:41   pottery stone it's a pottery Stein so so [TS]

00:06:44   there could be all kinds of you know [TS]

00:06:46   invaginations that the mold could get [TS]

00:06:48   into maybe start a family [TS]

00:06:50   I well I mean there's there's coffee [TS]

00:06:54   mold under my fingernails [TS]

00:06:56   I'm not worried about it in the poor [TS]

00:06:57   the surface of my bike my daughter will [TS]

00:07:00   just start chewing we're at the movies [TS]

00:07:01   yesterday starts chewing a fingernail [TS]

00:07:02   and I'm like you [TS]

00:07:03   you've been downtown for three hours and [TS]

00:07:05   really want three hours of san francisco [TS]

00:07:08   in your mouth [TS]

00:07:09   well I've got worse than that i went to [TS]

00:07:11   the i went to the ICU yesterday to visit [TS]

00:07:13   a friend in intensive care [TS]

00:07:15   I spent you know a few hours and twenty [TS]

00:07:18   one person when he said I thought [TS]

00:07:20   everything that like for a friend [TS]

00:07:22   now you're actually going to see another [TS]

00:07:24   present you it wasn't you I when I went [TS]

00:07:26   to the ICU yesterday for a friend I [TS]

00:07:28   would I went to the Insane Clown Posse [TS]

00:07:30   it yesterday [TS]

00:07:31   no III to visit a friend and I was in [TS]

00:07:34   there and you know it was a very intense [TS]

00:07:36   right you put on our you put on a rubber [TS]

00:07:41   gown and gloves and a face mask and a [TS]

00:07:44   face mask with like a shield my god I'm [TS]

00:07:47   so sorry [TS]

00:07:48   yeah yeah no it's not a nice place but [TS]

00:07:50   then i was in there for I mean it's a [TS]

00:07:52   wonderful place in the sense that if you [TS]

00:07:54   are if you need the services that they [TS]

00:07:56   provide that is where you want to be you [TS]

00:07:58   would wrap much rather be there than [TS]

00:07:59   sitting on top of a pile of frozen [TS]

00:08:01   coffee beans yeah and then as I'm [TS]

00:08:04   walking out of the ICU you know what and [TS]

00:08:07   it's just like you take the stuff off [TS]

00:08:09   and you deposited in a biohazard [TS]

00:08:10   container and you walk through a [TS]

00:08:12   pressurized aperture and all this stuff [TS]

00:08:15   and then you and then i'm on my way to [TS]

00:08:17   the parking garage and i'm just chillin [TS]

00:08:18   on my fingernails know and I was like [TS]

00:08:21   and I caught myself doing it like huh [TS]

00:08:23   well welcome mersa to the otherwise [TS]

00:08:29   completely toxic environment inside of [TS]

00:08:31   me hope you can fight it out with the [TS]

00:08:32   coffee mold you know and we'll see which [TS]

00:08:34   wich toxin which neurotoxin is the is [TS]

00:08:38   the one that survives but starting to [TS]

00:08:41   start suddenly suddenly effect i can you [TS]

00:08:44   deep on this John I gotta deal with this [TS]

00:08:45   on another show but I started this [TS]

00:08:47   weekend for I believe the possibly the [TS]

00:08:50   fifth time I decided to read the first [TS]

00:08:53   10 pages of Infinite Jest and this time [TS]

00:08:55   I stick with it i know ya least 20 30 [TS]

00:08:58   pages so yeah go go deep [TS]

00:09:00   I think I can finish the chapter if I [TS]

00:09:02   break it into pieces but you know in the [TS]

00:09:04   beginning parties in the office you know [TS]

00:09:07   talk about getting a scholarship and he [TS]

00:09:09   has this flashback [TS]

00:09:11   when he was a little kid and is how has [TS]

00:09:14   a flashback of when he came [TS]

00:09:15   he's like a toddler it comes out of the [TS]

00:09:17   basement screaming something his mother [TS]

00:09:19   can't hear what he's screaming because [TS]

00:09:20   she's running a tiller in the yard and [TS]

00:09:22   he's holding a just a giant piece of [TS]

00:09:25   mold he broke off the part of the [TS]

00:09:27   basement and has like orange and yellow [TS]

00:09:28   spikes and soon as it starts screaming I [TS]

00:09:32   ate this is a test that for some reason [TS]

00:09:34   now is hitting the extra hard because [TS]

00:09:36   that the predominant image of mold in my [TS]

00:09:38   head for the last few days is a giant [TS]

00:09:40   piece of basement mold like yellow [TS]

00:09:42   stalagmites and so when you say coffee [TS]

00:09:46   mold it could be something that could [TS]

00:09:47   just be one of those like little booger [TS]

00:09:48   looking droplets but but now but i'm [TS]

00:09:50   thinking about eating basement mold [TS]

00:09:52   that's a lot of a long book John did you [TS]

00:09:55   ever read it [TS]

00:09:56   no you know I i read gravity's rainbow [TS]

00:09:58   know you know what you clocked out you [TS]

00:10:00   have to read the other books yeah and [TS]

00:10:02   that's exactly how I felt about it I in [TS]

00:10:04   1992 I went into the bookstore hear that [TS]

00:10:07   used to be where they destroyed the [TS]

00:10:10   entire building to build a subway stop [TS]

00:10:12   for the subway that still hasn't opened [TS]

00:10:15   and and Denis Denis painful analogy [TS]

00:10:18   district yeah thank you [TS]

00:10:20   and it was the bookstore where everybody [TS]

00:10:25   that worked there was a larper there [TS]

00:10:29   were 50 cats there and it was owned by a [TS]

00:10:33   woman who was a very nice woman but also [TS]

00:10:38   had a she was not a nice woman [TS]

00:10:42   let's be honest yeah cats bookstore [TS]

00:10:45   dander I can see the signs on that is [TS]

00:10:48   not adding up to a nice person but she [TS]

00:10:50   had she was someone who kept a coterie [TS]

00:10:54   of younger men working at her store that [TS]

00:10:58   she was I think running through her [TS]

00:11:00   function machine if you know what I'm [TS]

00:11:02   saying oh very very much like a chain [TS]

00:11:06   chain mail the culture I think I think [TS]

00:11:11   chainmail figured highly there but I [TS]

00:11:13   spent a lot of time in this bookstore [TS]

00:11:14   and that's where I discovered Sinclair [TS]

00:11:20   Lewis not it [TS]

00:11:22   him personally but is you know that was [TS]

00:11:25   when I first arrived in town and I [TS]

00:11:26   didn't have any money i would go there [TS]

00:11:28   and I'd buy that whatever that whatever [TS]

00:11:30   the thickest book on the 99-cent rack [TS]

00:11:32   was and lewis at Zenith was one of those [TS]

00:11:36   and i became like that that's [TS]

00:11:39   single-player Lewis fan but that's a [TS]

00:11:40   different story no i said this week on [TS]

00:11:42   your rainbow so I went in there one time [TS]

00:11:44   and I was like a night then there was a [TS]

00:11:45   note that the guy with the beard and the [TS]

00:11:48   long hair who shaped kind of like a [TS]

00:11:51   Hershey's kiss was behind the counter [TS]

00:11:53   and I was like what's your favorite book [TS]

00:11:55   man and he was like oh my favorite book [TS]

00:11:59   uh it's a little bit better difficult [TS]

00:12:04   the gravity's rainbow and I was like [TS]

00:12:07   gravity's rainbow huh i have heard of it [TS]

00:12:12   and i have been avoiding it like the [TS]

00:12:14   plague and he was like oh dude dude what [TS]

00:12:18   Terry another bow but my good sir [TS]

00:12:21   and he went and like a dislodged himself [TS]

00:12:25   from his perch and went and got me I [TS]

00:12:28   think his personal copy or some special [TS]

00:12:30   copy of gravity's wrinkle and brought it [TS]

00:12:32   on he was like ooh la la [TS]

00:12:34   here you are good luck Godspeed and I [TS]

00:12:38   spent so long trying to read that [TS]

00:12:41   freaking gravity's rainbow i read it i [TS]

00:12:44   read that's that that's the book where i [TS]

00:12:45   was reading it in four different places [TS]

00:12:46   at one time i was reading it then i was [TS]

00:12:49   reading i was i was reading back 50 [TS]

00:12:53   pages that i was reading back a hundred [TS]

00:12:54   and fifty pages and then i would had [TS]

00:12:55   started over again [TS]

00:12:57   also at the same time huh so so having [TS]

00:13:01   done that when infinite just came out I [TS]

00:13:05   was like I'm i will not be fooled again [TS]

00:13:08   uh-huh i won't get fooled again same [TS]

00:13:13   boss me that and so so but now I feel [TS]

00:13:16   bad about it because it said it's held [TS]

00:13:21   up you know here's the thing let's let [TS]

00:13:23   me put my cards on the table as long as [TS]

00:13:24   you're out of politics and being honest [TS]

00:13:26   i might as well be honest to prom the [TS]

00:13:28   gravity's rainbow [TS]

00:13:30   no I have even crack the spine on crying [TS]

00:13:32   of lot 49 00 that's a that's a [TS]

00:13:34   delightful delightful read yeah I know I [TS]

00:13:37   know I have a lot of these I have a lot [TS]

00:13:39   of my post-college age i bought a lot [TS]

00:13:40   more books on ever read but oh my god [TS]

00:13:43   was epic epic fresh air so fresh air on [TS]

00:13:47   Friday as you know on friday sometimes [TS]

00:13:49   terry gross isn't there and so it was [TS]

00:13:51   Dave Davies in for Terry Gross on fresh [TS]

00:13:54   air which may not happen a lot of the [TS]

00:13:55   time these days table steve davies of [TS]

00:13:57   the kinks [TS]

00:13:57   that's right he got punched in the face [TS]

00:13:58   anybody hosts pressure no different dave [TS]

00:14:01   davies de vc and they refer to him as I [TS]

00:14:03   what do they call him like a contributor [TS]

00:14:05   didn't refer to him as the like [TS]

00:14:07   substitute host its pretty weak you are [TS]

00:14:08   talking about fresh air as though it's a [TS]

00:14:10   program i have ever heard [TS]

00:14:12   ok so how is that how we're gonna do it [TS]

00:14:14   but go ahead go ahead I'm listening [TS]

00:14:17   what you've never heard of cat but the [TS]

00:14:21   fan you're not more than that [TS]

00:14:23   yeah i'm just very surprised you like [TS]

00:14:25   someone first show you seem like someone [TS]

00:14:27   who enjoyed music this is very [TS]

00:14:29   surprising to me [TS]

00:14:30   Davies is invert area gross locate uses [TS]

00:14:33   point-of-sales can listen Dave Davies is [TS]

00:14:35   in for Terry Gross and it's on the [TS]

00:14:36   occasion of the release of his new film [TS]

00:14:38   with the with the kid from facebook and [TS]

00:14:40   the guy from freaks and geeks the [TS]

00:14:42   facebook movie [TS]

00:14:43   what were their it's a it's about a [TS]

00:14:44   favor the famous week of interviews the [TS]

00:14:46   last the end things called the end of [TS]

00:14:48   the tour and it's jason segel yeah right [TS]

00:14:51   I hear good things about this movie [TS]

00:14:52   Yeah right right so it's kind of about [TS]

00:14:54   that movie and it's kind of about you [TS]

00:14:57   know dfw and so what they put together [TS]

00:15:01   on this day when Davies was in for fresh [TS]

00:15:03   air was an interview with David Foster [TS]

00:15:06   Wallace from from 1996 to celebrate the [TS]

00:15:11   release of the paperback of Infinite [TS]

00:15:14   Jest there's a fantastic interview as [TS]

00:15:16   always and then they talked to jason [TS]

00:15:17   segel about forgetting sarah marshall [TS]

00:15:21   which had just been released on DVD in [TS]

00:15:23   2009 it's a pretty classic what what is [TS]

00:15:26   the show about fresh air huh [TS]

00:15:28   mhm not like but listen to it and you [TS]

00:15:31   know I've read [TS]

00:15:33   a lot of his short stuff I don't think [TS]

00:15:35   I've ever never finished one of his [TS]

00:15:37   novels but i love you know these essays [TS]

00:15:40   my god but yeah I thought you know what [TS]

00:15:42   I did wrong in January yeah i reread [TS]

00:15:46   that supposedly fun thing I'll never do [TS]

00:15:48   again right now works for the fourth [TS]

00:15:50   time ready for your depth on the gang [TS]

00:15:52   plank of a cruise ship and I remember [TS]

00:15:54   you walking onto the cruise ship and CM [TS]

00:15:57   in your eyes the fact that you had just [TS]

00:16:00   read a supposedly fun thing I will never [TS]

00:16:01   do again I did say I could see it in the [TS]

00:16:04   way you carried yourself across the [TS]

00:16:05   gangplank and I was like my friend free [TS]

00:16:08   yourself from free yourself from mental [TS]

00:16:11   slavery [TS]

00:16:11   oh my god it was that anyway boy is that [TS]

00:16:14   ever a fantastic si yes it is my god [TS]

00:16:17   it's a me I mean like okay let's be [TS]

00:16:19   white guys talk about mr. Wallace is a [TS]

00:16:21   good writer but like his ability is [TS]

00:16:23   elevated language but he's elevated [TS]

00:16:26   without signing snooty and he's clever [TS]

00:16:28   without signing snarky and the way that [TS]

00:16:31   he observes and describes the situation [TS]

00:16:33   the language he uses to describe even [TS]

00:16:35   the most mundane situations it's just [TS]

00:16:37   it's an other other delights total like [TS]

00:16:39   math kandi I feel the words in my mouth [TS]

00:16:41   when I'm reading it I i love it i [TS]

00:16:42   thought you know everybody says this is [TS]

00:16:44   like the best book in the last 25 years [TS]

00:16:45   or whatever and like I i own two copies [TS]

00:16:48   of it one of which is being used to hold [TS]

00:16:49   a part of a bed right now [TS]

00:16:51   yeah and-and-and I thought this time I [TS]

00:16:53   tried to get out but I make it through [TS]

00:16:54   but I'm trying [TS]

00:16:56   well when you're done i'll let you all [TS]

00:16:59   alone you up my complete copy of google [TS]

00:17:03   Gulag Archipelago oh my goodness that's [TS]

00:17:05   a long way huh yeah which is which is [TS]

00:17:07   currently a I i'm pretty sure it's [TS]

00:17:11   basically pretty sure it's like a large [TS]

00:17:14   part of my living room furniture that's [TS]

00:17:16   it that's a nice way to wind down at the [TS]

00:17:18   end of the day is that just really [TS]

00:17:19   really tuck into a multi-volume bit of [TS]

00:17:22   sad [TS]

00:17:23   yeah oh well and and you know i'm i'm [TS]

00:17:25   halfway through 3 i'm halfway through [TS]

00:17:28   mine comp bye-bye the Swede um it's a [TS]

00:17:34   sweet it's a suite version of my comp [TS]

00:17:36   did you not [TS]

00:17:37   did you not get on board the the the my [TS]

00:17:40   struggle train a couple of about a year [TS]

00:17:44   ago might be my fresh air you're gonna [TS]

00:17:46   have to [TS]

00:17:46   give it to make some money but anytime [TS]

00:17:47   so uh so this guy Carl Oh Carl over nows [TS]

00:17:56   guard that's the fakest name I've ever [TS]

00:18:00   heard in my life is literally named Carl [TS]

00:18:02   Oh snows gonna scarred now's guard news [TS]

00:18:07   guard is a is like a depressed Norwegian [TS]

00:18:12   the guy of course I heard about this [TS]

00:18:15   about our age and a like in the style of [TS]

00:18:21   like depressed Norwegian he's sort of [TS]

00:18:24   impossibly handsome in a having smoked [TS]

00:18:27   two packs of cigarettes a day kind of [TS]

00:18:30   way [TS]

00:18:30   that's a wise catcher's mitt yeah [TS]

00:18:33   exactly [TS]

00:18:33   you know who looks like a catcher's mitt [TS]

00:18:35   is kevin spacey I was watching that [TS]

00:18:38   political program of his yes he talks [TS]

00:18:41   directly into the camera [TS]

00:18:42   uh-huh and once I realized that his face [TS]

00:18:45   looked like a catcher's mitt [TS]

00:18:46   I could not stop seeing it and I really [TS]

00:18:50   kept feeling like it was distracting me [TS]

00:18:53   from the programs and get that from him [TS]

00:18:55   i think he looks like a thumb with a wig [TS]

00:18:57   well now look at him as a catcher's mitt [TS]

00:19:00   and imagine imagine like a knot and not [TS]

00:19:04   even a baseball catcher's mitt like a [TS]

00:19:05   softball catchers mitt just imagine a [TS]

00:19:07   softball just going right in there just [TS]

00:19:09   nestling in between his cheeks [TS]

00:19:11   I think you'll see it anyway so I was in [TS]

00:19:14   New York about a year ago and I was [TS]

00:19:17   being I was being courted by a young [TS]

00:19:19   book editor who is very smart and you [TS]

00:19:23   harvest of writing a book he was [TS]

00:19:25   courting me okay [TS]

00:19:26   yes for the purpose of while he was [TS]

00:19:28   courting me as a potential author for [TS]

00:19:31   him a writer with Si and he's been very [TS]

00:19:35   supportive of me and he's you know he [TS]

00:19:38   likes the the things that I've written [TS]

00:19:40   in these like you know let's write a [TS]

00:19:41   book i am a book editor i work for a [TS]

00:19:44   book publisher or I'm sorry not a [TS]

00:19:46   publisher but like am what a black it's [TS]

00:19:48   the equivalent of a manager they get [TS]

00:19:50   your book published an agent an agent [TS]

00:19:52   there you go that's the word and so [TS]

00:19:54   we're walking around park slope brooklyn [TS]

00:19:57   together and he's you know he's a young [TS]

00:19:59   person but he's wearing big glasses so [TS]

00:20:02   it kind of feels like I always imagined [TS]

00:20:06   that my bed my book agent would look [TS]

00:20:08   like Rob Reiner over and this one is is [TS]

00:20:11   younger but he's got big glasses on so [TS]

00:20:13   it feels very book editor e and we're [TS]

00:20:16   just sort of wandering around park slope [TS]

00:20:18   and we pass a bookstore he's like let's [TS]

00:20:20   go into the bookstore and I'm like this [TS]

00:20:22   perfect i'm in new york i'm walking [TS]

00:20:24   around with my book agent we're gonna [TS]

00:20:27   walk into a bookstore like lodi fucking [TS]

00:20:29   da and we wander in and of course he [TS]

00:20:32   immediately greets all the employees of [TS]

00:20:34   the bookstore and there and they all [TS]

00:20:38   loved him right there are they all know [TS]

00:20:40   everything there they're all [TS]

00:20:40   chit-chatting like oh have you heard [TS]

00:20:43   from this author and they're talking [TS]

00:20:45   books with each other all these young [TS]

00:20:47   people working in books and I'm just [TS]

00:20:51   feeling like this is so sophisticated i [TS]

00:20:53   am i'm i'm here from the West [TS]

00:20:56   this is the code that's the way i love [TS]

00:20:57   to go to New York right you go to New [TS]

00:20:59   York and you just you just get source [TS]

00:21:01   whooshed into some cool new york thing [TS]

00:21:04   or feels like of course that the the [TS]

00:21:06   writer from Seattle is here [TS]

00:21:08   traipsing around never written a goddamn [TS]

00:21:11   thing but here I am and he says oh have [TS]

00:21:16   you read [TS]

00:21:16   have you read my struggle yet as though [TS]

00:21:20   I were a writer who read all of the [TS]

00:21:25   books that were coming out [TS]

00:21:26   yeah must've felt like a test you know [TS]

00:21:29   well but you know it's that time let's [TS]

00:21:30   say I've been doing it for 25 years in [TS]

00:21:32   music like all of your the new cat but [TS]

00:21:34   and I would always be like oh do tell me [TS]

00:21:37   more [TS]

00:21:38   and then you know that's every time I go [TS]

00:21:40   into a record store somebody puts five [TS]

00:21:41   records in my hands but I don't want but [TS]

00:21:44   so I'm standing there at the counter and [TS]

00:21:46   I'm like oh my struggle how you mean my [TS]

00:21:48   struggle that's a very familiar [TS]

00:21:50   booktitle i think i remember reading a [TS]

00:21:54   version of my struggle written by an [TS]

00:21:56   author named Hitler and they're like no [TS]

00:22:00   no it's a new epic novel written by this [TS]

00:22:07   depressed Norwegian guy about your age [TS]

00:22:10   who has just exhaustively chronicled his [TS]

00:22:13   entire life with total honesty and I was [TS]

00:22:19   like and I could just feel my stomach [TS]

00:22:22   thinking like ah [TS]

00:22:24   first of all that's my gig yeah and [TS]

00:22:27   second of all why do I don't know and so [TS]

00:22:30   pretty soon three huge volumes are put [TS]

00:22:32   in my hands [TS]

00:22:33   each one costs thirty-five dollars three [TS]

00:22:38   hard bound books on now here's the test [TS]

00:22:41   but em right i mean no i mean because I [TS]

00:22:45   mean if you go um like it's already [TS]

00:22:47   heavy [TS]

00:22:48   yeah I'm telling a hundred dollars for [TS]

00:22:50   books yeah but I was like sign me up i'm [TS]

00:22:53   having a great day and so I walk out of [TS]

00:22:56   there carrying a Manhattan phone book [TS]

00:22:59   and I started to read them and I read [TS]

00:23:03   the first 1i and I got about halfway [TS]

00:23:05   through the second one and they really [TS]

00:23:09   are that he really does talk about his [TS]

00:23:15   life pretty much on a day-to-day basis [TS]

00:23:17   like and then when I was seven [TS]

00:23:21   i sat in the kitchen and waited for my [TS]

00:23:24   cereal bowl to be filled by my mother [TS]

00:23:25   who was emotionally absent x-pac was [TS]

00:23:30   sounds like apartment without an editor [TS]

00:23:32   it was really whoa [TS]

00:23:34   and then and then scott simpson tweeted [TS]

00:23:38   about it and I realized that oh we were [TS]

00:23:42   all of us all of us depressed dads were [TS]

00:23:45   reading at all at once and that and sort [TS]

00:23:49   of Bounce me out of it for a minute I [TS]

00:23:51   was like I can't so now it's sitting on [TS]

00:23:52   my bed table [TS]

00:23:53   I'm like there is karl karl neural or [TS]

00:23:57   Carlo nice garden hose guard and then he [TS]

00:24:02   you know he was doing a book tour and [TS]

00:24:04   and it was one of those book tours that [TS]

00:24:05   every kind of every middle-aged author [TS]

00:24:07   dreams of where he's being swept around [TS]

00:24:12   the world and [TS]

00:24:16   people are genuine selecting I can hear [TS]

00:24:19   in your voice can hear it so yeah and [TS]

00:24:23   you know that be you a little bit [TS]

00:24:25   well nothing was the entire time he was [TS]

00:24:28   sort of disavowing that he liked this at [TS]

00:24:31   all [TS]

00:24:32   I'll of course you way you love being [TS]

00:24:34   swept around i do like being swept [TS]

00:24:37   around [TS]

00:24:38   oh my god up so now now i understand it [TS]

00:24:41   to be six books along i only have the [TS]

00:24:43   first three [TS]

00:24:44   oh my goodness it crackin so so so busy [TS]

00:24:49   night and this shows the shows what up [TS]

00:24:51   what up [TS]

00:24:51   ignoramus Philistine I am but it isn't [TS]

00:24:54   that thing where you kind of feel like [TS]

00:24:55   you get the flavor after one or two it [TS]

00:24:58   is not a thing that you even feel like [TS]

00:24:59   it so this is the thing about gravity's [TS]

00:25:01   rainbow to right where you read you are [TS]

00:25:03   500 pages into a book and you have no [TS]

00:25:07   idea what the flavor is yet right like [TS]

00:25:10   year reading and you are reading and [TS]

00:25:14   reading and reading and you don't know [TS]

00:25:15   what's happening and you don't know you [TS]

00:25:19   don't even know if you like it yet and [TS]

00:25:22   you've invested 500 pages you've [TS]

00:25:25   invested you know weeks of your life [TS]

00:25:27   because it's not 500 easy pages and it's [TS]

00:25:31   not that way Carl Mouse Guard is hard [TS]

00:25:33   not gravity's rainbow like it's not [TS]

00:25:35   difficult to read but it's but you're in [TS]

00:25:37   there and you're like ooh I like this [TS]

00:25:39   person do I like this world do I feel [TS]

00:25:43   like this world even if i don't like it [TS]

00:25:44   too i feel like it's important to I feel [TS]

00:25:47   like I need to hate that I hate that [TS]

00:25:49   healing light that feeling because I [TS]

00:25:52   feel like I'm when that when i do that [TS]

00:25:54   and battling this kind of peer pressure [TS]

00:25:57   in my head whether it's real or not like [TS]

00:25:59   this should be something right I get to [TS]

00:26:01   be the guy who suggests this book to [TS]

00:26:03   other people and then seemed surprised [TS]

00:26:04   that they haven't read it and I feel [TS]

00:26:05   that kind of pressure that I'm like [TS]

00:26:07   eating my vegetables when i read a book [TS]

00:26:08   like that I you know you know me I like [TS]

00:26:11   to be punished and I like to suffer [TS]

00:26:17   yeah and so it's really it's really when [TS]

00:26:19   you thrive in a lot of ways [TS]

00:26:20   yeah so I have done I have I have [TS]

00:26:22   experienced a lot of culture that with [TS]

00:26:27   that it was it was true suffering for me [TS]

00:26:29   to endure [TS]

00:26:30   but i but I understood that through [TS]

00:26:33   suffering i was going to be delivered to [TS]

00:26:36   another place that that the piece of [TS]

00:26:39   culture that I was consuming was a ferry [TS]

00:26:41   boat that was taking me from my the [TS]

00:26:44   prior land the to this this dark new [TS]

00:26:48   land [TS]

00:26:48   you don't mean might not know what land [TS]

00:26:50   that's right and I was not paying the [TS]

00:26:53   ferryman until he got me to the other [TS]

00:26:55   side [TS]

00:26:56   mm don't fix a price that's right so I'm [TS]

00:27:00   on the you know I'm on the book and I am [TS]

00:27:02   in and I'm saying or I'm on the the [TS]

00:27:05   piece of art and I'm saying you are [TS]

00:27:08   punishing me you arcs but you may [TS]

00:27:12   deliver me to a 22 candyland and a lot [TS]

00:27:17   of the times you know the fact that [TS]

00:27:18   fucking thing sinks and you have to swim [TS]

00:27:20   back but but I the the jury's still out [TS]

00:27:27   on this because because [TS]

00:27:29   and I think this is the big the big [TS]

00:27:31   quite that David Foster Wallace question [TS]

00:27:34   the dave eggers question now the Carl [TS]

00:27:36   now's hours guard Allison guard and the [TS]

00:27:44   end its and it's a primary question of [TS]

00:27:45   the work that i do and if you do which [TS]

00:27:47   is at what point like all art is [TS]

00:27:50   somewhat autobiographical we have [TS]

00:27:53   stripped away a lot of the a lot of the [TS]

00:27:58   artifice from it and and have arrived in [TS]

00:28:00   a place now where autobiographical like [TS]

00:28:05   with the autobiography with almost no [TS]

00:28:08   additional work and only when you can be [TS]

00:28:13   somebody who writes a memoir that's a [TS]

00:28:16   thing on its own without it being about [TS]

00:28:17   like my life and pro wrestling or [TS]

00:28:18   something [TS]

00:28:19   yeah right it's just like I'm just a [TS]

00:28:21   charming Schmo and here's my [TS]

00:28:23   autobiography people have been doing [TS]

00:28:25   that for thousands of years but now it [TS]

00:28:27   seems like that is that is well [TS]

00:28:32   everybody is a autobiographer now [TS]

00:28:33   because we're all were all documenting [TS]

00:28:38   our own lives constantly [TS]

00:28:39   and to what end and if you're if you're [TS]

00:28:43   not adding something else to it which is [TS]

00:28:46   either like a philosophical take well [TS]

00:28:50   okay I get it [TS]

00:28:51   yeah this has been an angle for you for [TS]

00:28:52   a while in your in your in your your [TS]

00:28:55   reflective romantic moments is like what [TS]

00:28:57   are we producing yeah [TS]

00:28:59   beyond this sort of ephemera yeah [TS]

00:29:01   and-and-and with with dave eggers and [TS]

00:29:03   and david foster wallace I mean that i [TS]

00:29:05   read those guys at at obviously earlier [TS]

00:29:08   in my life at a time when it seemed like [TS]

00:29:10   what they were doing was magical because [TS]

00:29:13   they were as you say like turning [TS]

00:29:16   language the language itself was [TS]

00:29:18   beautiful and then their life [TS]

00:29:21   experiences or the way their minds [TS]

00:29:23   worked for interesting and beautiful in [TS]

00:29:25   a way and and and that was enough they [TS]

00:29:31   didn't you know they didn't turn it into [TS]

00:29:33   a novel about some other people it was [TS]

00:29:38   it was a diary more or less but that [TS]

00:29:42   that diary then little was elevated and [TS]

00:29:47   and and now I feel like we're entering [TS]

00:29:50   into a realm where the diary doesn't [TS]

00:29:51   even have to be elevated it just has to [TS]

00:29:53   be long or it has to be comprehensive [TS]

00:29:57   and I don't know if that if that quite [TS]

00:30:01   passes muster with me and I don't read a [TS]

00:30:06   lot of this but i think i think i know [TS]

00:30:08   what you mean i'm thinking about stuff [TS]

00:30:10   that i had a class and mice third year [TS]

00:30:16   of college [TS]

00:30:17   it was really great but difficult which [TS]

00:30:20   is called long poems and it was a you [TS]

00:30:22   know a survey of long poems and had all [TS]

00:30:25   the usual suspects in it you know and [TS]

00:30:27   kind of doing like a and you know I had [TS]

00:30:30   a close reading of things like the [TS]

00:30:33   wasteland or things like William Carlos [TS]

00:30:35   Williams is Patterson or leaves of grass [TS]

00:30:39   you know by leaves of grass [TS]

00:30:42   well still leaves the graphs is on the [TS]

00:30:44   n.o Patterson is great the wasteland is [TS]

00:30:46   a riot but like even leaves of grass but [TS]

00:30:49   I have to just say like so going back to [TS]

00:30:50   like what people are actually making I [TS]

00:30:52   just gotta say man died [TS]

00:30:53   feel like you clap out with a suspension [TS]

00:30:57   engine but oh great [TS]

00:31:00   gravity's rainbow like I never had that [TS]

00:31:01   but also like Keats's Endymion reading [TS]

00:31:04   this this is it's all couplets and it's [TS]

00:31:09   just really really extreme that's an [TS]

00:31:10   extremely long undersea adventure bike [TS]

00:31:13   eats that involves lots of like you know [TS]

00:31:16   tried in stuff and it was but I didn't [TS]

00:31:19   really felt like i was eating my [TS]

00:31:21   vegetables and it was it was not fun [TS]

00:31:23   it was it's one of those things that [TS]

00:31:24   like where you're like it wasn't even [TS]

00:31:26   like I hate watch kind of thing whatever [TS]

00:31:27   is keith is great but like you know I [TS]

00:31:29   kinda like the other kind of stuff [TS]

00:31:30   better [TS]

00:31:30   these epic poems just feel like oh just [TS]

00:31:33   like this grind and i have to say that [TS]

00:31:35   you know even at the time now I get to [TS]

00:31:36   do what I get to drop that I've read [TS]

00:31:38   keeps Endymion look at me like i get i [TS]

00:31:40   get through the white ribbon for that [TS]

00:31:42   like I'm the guy who read that you know [TS]

00:31:43   I don't know I just it's just some of [TS]

00:31:47   this that's unkind but I don't want the [TS]

00:31:50   key taters in the air the keeps fans to [TS]

00:31:52   get on me you know they're out there [TS]

00:31:53   right now I know but yeah i don't know i [TS]

00:31:57   don't like I used to [TS]

00:31:58   I don't know how you find the time to [TS]

00:31:59   read you seem like a very occupied with [TS]

00:32:01   lots of different things [TS]

00:32:02   uh yeah yeah but I I do i do try to I I [TS]

00:32:09   admire that [TS]

00:32:10   that version that earlier version of a [TS]

00:32:13   of of a fully-fledged adult who is who [TS]

00:32:20   is up with the current reading over and [TS]

00:32:23   I don't know if that fully-fledged adult [TS]

00:32:26   is still if that's still a model you [TS]

00:32:29   know obviously there are there are [TS]

00:32:30   plenty of people plenty of adult people [TS]

00:32:33   who are still living according to that [TS]

00:32:34   but I don't know if we're minting any [TS]

00:32:36   new people like that but then again i [TS]

00:32:39   just described my young New York agent [TS]

00:32:42   who who's still living in that world but [TS]

00:32:44   it seems like that version of being a [TS]

00:32:46   grown-up where you've got a you've got a [TS]

00:32:49   you've got the the times literary [TS]

00:32:52   supplement and you are you're you're [TS]

00:32:56   working through it every every week I'm [TS]

00:33:01   thinking about you think about it i'll [TS]

00:33:02   go out [TS]

00:33:03   Algonquin Round Table kind of situation [TS]

00:33:05   we've got a bunch of people [TS]

00:33:07   who are very competitive very smart very [TS]

00:33:09   clever people who are doing a lot of [TS]

00:33:11   writing and if you worked at the new [TS]

00:33:13   yorker you were doing a lot of reading [TS]

00:33:14   to and being the kind of person who was [TS]

00:33:16   like extremely up-to-date on and an [TS]

00:33:19   opinion about virtually everything that [TS]

00:33:21   came out people just reading reading [TS]

00:33:22   reading all the time it's what they did [TS]

00:33:24   for a living you know people forget that [TS]

00:33:26   writers also read like there's a lot of [TS]

00:33:27   reading involved [TS]

00:33:28   yep and and you know but the thing is [TS]

00:33:31   like you look at that never looks like [TS]

00:33:32   it's all look at their smoking wearing [TS]

00:33:33   hats you know and and and talking about [TS]

00:33:36   you know life and that's that's really [TS]

00:33:38   fascinating but i don't know i mean how [TS]

00:33:41   incredibly different is that from [TS]

00:33:43   somebody like me [TS]

00:33:45   well I don't not unless this is noble [TS]

00:33:47   but like I love how great TV is right [TS]

00:33:49   now and others there are if you look [TS]

00:33:51   there are great movies and I feel I like [TS]

00:33:54   being kind of up-to-date on what good TV [TS]

00:33:56   shows are you know and that's the thing [TS]

00:33:58   if you were if you were Dorothy Parker [TS]

00:34:01   sitting in the lobby of a hotel ashing [TS]

00:34:03   your cigarette in someone else's t you [TS]

00:34:07   didn't have all that TV also felt like [TS]

00:34:09   you had to know about and you didn't [TS]

00:34:12   also you weren't reading like BuzzFeed [TS]

00:34:16   right there's a lot to keep up on now [TS]

00:34:19   yeah yeah there you go you got to go to [TS]

00:34:21   click hold and see all the funny stuff [TS]

00:34:23   that those guys are coming up with ah [TS]

00:34:25   yeah yeah I don't know I'm just I'm just [TS]

00:34:29   I can only speak for myself which is [TS]

00:34:30   that like I've read a lot of stuff I [TS]

00:34:33   think I've probably read more than a lot [TS]

00:34:34   of people have read i had to read so [TS]

00:34:37   much in college [TS]

00:34:38   some of which was amazing i mean i'll [TS]

00:34:40   read me some Absalom Absalom anyday the [TS]

00:34:42   ambassador's you can keep it like that [TS]

00:34:44   there was there's so many like very [TS]

00:34:46   moby-dick not a fan like all the things [TS]

00:34:47   that you have to read that we're [TS]

00:34:48   extremely long and varied in their how [TS]

00:34:50   great they were or how much you can even [TS]

00:34:52   understand it but you had to because [TS]

00:34:53   that was the process what you're going [TS]

00:34:55   to get you get a voltaire occasionally [TS]

00:34:57   and that's a lot of fun but there's just [TS]

00:34:58   a whole bunch of stuff that I had to [TS]

00:35:00   read but I have to admit I mean a lot of [TS]

00:35:02   that was because I had to read it for [TS]

00:35:03   class and also it made me feel a little [TS]

00:35:05   fancy it made me feel a little bit fancy [TS]

00:35:07   the kid from like Central Florida was [TS]

00:35:09   reading the the great authors and some [TS]

00:35:11   of it was really great and enjoyable [TS]

00:35:13   some of it was very edifying but there's [TS]

00:35:15   there's a part of me that was I kind of [TS]

00:35:16   wanted to be snooty that was that was [TS]

00:35:18   one big piece of it being able to talk [TS]

00:35:19   about Alberto echo [TS]

00:35:20   me feel smart mm and I I mean I they're [TS]

00:35:23   still god there's so much i get from [TS]

00:35:25   that stuff everyday all this all the [TS]

00:35:27   great books but like I have to admit [TS]

00:35:28   that the time i was doing it wasn't that [TS]

00:35:30   noble I wasn't like I was trying to [TS]

00:35:32   become a judge or something [TS]

00:35:33   it was because I wanted I i liked [TS]

00:35:36   feeling smart and want to feel smartest [TS]

00:35:38   to read a lot of stuff that other people [TS]

00:35:39   will not admit they don't understand [TS]

00:35:41   mm so I'm i can't speak for other people [TS]

00:35:43   but you know I think there will be these [TS]

00:35:45   Oh current things that come along [TS]

00:35:47   sometimes that everybody's supposed to [TS]

00:35:48   you know it's almost like an emperor's [TS]

00:35:51   new clothes kind of situation where [TS]

00:35:52   you're expected to say well of course of [TS]

00:35:55   course I mean how many times have I read [TS]

00:35:56   Ulysses my goodness but you know that's [TS]

00:35:59   work it'sit's I don't know I don't know [TS]

00:36:01   I think illiteracy is changing [TS]

00:36:03   yeah yeah well I always had the I always [TS]

00:36:10   had a difficult relationship with the [TS]

00:36:12   people who read for red in the way that [TS]

00:36:18   you're describing revered to to read as [TS]

00:36:21   a a big because because I I i was i was [TS]

00:36:28   often in a situation where I would be [TS]

00:36:29   sitting in a in a salon of some kind [TS]

00:36:32   listening to people talk about books and [TS]

00:36:34   realizing that they were talking about [TS]

00:36:36   books as a kind of inner in the same [TS]

00:36:38   with it that people talk about sports [TS]

00:36:40   and they were smart in the same way me [TS]

00:36:43   know when pitchfork was at its darkest [TS]

00:36:45   timeline pitchfork in years but when [TS]

00:36:47   they first start to become so annoying [TS]

00:36:49   it was almost like you know so you can [TS]

00:36:50   learn about these records in order to [TS]

00:36:52   know what to roll your eyes about right [TS]

00:36:54   right right well to learn about the [TS]

00:36:56   records or to learn about the books as [TS]

00:36:57   though knowing about them was its own [TS]

00:36:59   thing [TS]

00:37:00   who and for me it's all the the point of [TS]

00:37:03   art is always that you have an emotional [TS]

00:37:05   that it that is a door to an emotional [TS]

00:37:08   state or an intellectual state that you [TS]

00:37:12   didn't have prior access to and so to [TS]

00:37:16   read a book and to not feel something is [TS]

00:37:20   fine but that's the evidence you're [TS]

00:37:22   looking for i read this thing and I did [TS]

00:37:24   not feel something ok [TS]

00:37:26   that tells me something right or or I [TS]

00:37:29   did feel something and here's what I [TS]

00:37:31   felt either negative or positive [TS]

00:37:32   or something i can't describe and so [TS]

00:37:34   forth and so on like your those those [TS]

00:37:37   pieces of art are always portals to a [TS]

00:37:41   better understanding of your emotions or [TS]

00:37:43   your or your mind and and so and music [TS]

00:37:47   and it and books and paintings and all [TS]

00:37:50   of that and so listening to people talk [TS]

00:37:53   about books as though they are [TS]

00:37:55   commodities to you know and and what's [TS]

00:38:00   in store or end this is the same about [TS]

00:38:02   record collectors like that what's [TS]

00:38:03   important about them is the date they [TS]

00:38:06   were published the authors prior [TS]

00:38:08   relationship with some other author the [TS]

00:38:11   number of books that it's sold than the [TS]

00:38:14   the way that that book fits into the [TS]

00:38:18   cannon in terms of how its its [TS]

00:38:21   relationship to its time or other books [TS]

00:38:23   I mean all that is is also interesting [TS]

00:38:27   but it's addenda and for a lot of people [TS]

00:38:30   it's not identify a lot of people that [TS]

00:38:32   is the primary interface interface with [TS]

00:38:35   the literary world or the painting world [TS]

00:38:37   now maybe that's why they say it's like [TS]

00:38:39   sports were part of the joy of it is [TS]

00:38:41   like the more complex it becomes like [TS]

00:38:43   this is exciting because the more I know [TS]

00:38:45   about this the more I want to know about [TS]

00:38:46   this [TS]

00:38:47   well and so and went so but what's what [TS]

00:38:50   was frustrating for me is that I would [TS]

00:38:51   sit in these situations where i would be [TS]

00:38:54   with smart people who were who were and [TS]

00:38:58   I've told you before right that when I [TS]

00:39:00   was growing up in Anchorage out i had a [TS]

00:39:03   Vespa and so I I i thought i was a mod [TS]

00:39:06   and I i loved the clothes that the mods [TS]

00:39:10   war and I have the only best but in [TS]

00:39:12   Alaska so as far as I knew like I was [TS]

00:39:16   the only mod in the whole state in the [TS]

00:39:19   nineteen eighties the least I the only [TS]

00:39:21   one that I knew and then when I moved [TS]

00:39:23   down to Seattle and I met some real mods [TS]

00:39:25   i was so excited I was like I'm a modern [TS]

00:39:27   i found the mods i was young and I went [TS]

00:39:31   to a mod party or two and and then I was [TS]

00:39:34   so disappointed to discover that they [TS]

00:39:36   were incredibly boring the mods were not [TS]

00:39:39   smart even more interesting they were [TS]

00:39:41   just fashion EP people that had chosen a [TS]

00:39:44   weird [TS]

00:39:45   fashion uh-huh but so you know to be [TS]

00:39:49   around people and have the conversation [TS]

00:39:51   be like have you read this book [TS]

00:39:54   well yes i did i read that book because [TS]

00:39:56   I earlier read this other book and then [TS]

00:40:01   this book of course is the next book [TS]

00:40:03   that you read [TS]

00:40:03   oh well did you did you realize that the [TS]

00:40:06   author of that book actually did you [TS]

00:40:08   know had this other book [TS]

00:40:09   oh yes I read that book did you read [TS]

00:40:11   this book and and they were playing a [TS]

00:40:14   game which was that the connector game [TS]

00:40:18   right that you read a book and then you [TS]

00:40:20   know you know that you know that that [TS]

00:40:24   book is pointing to a different book in [TS]

00:40:26   the in the way that people think about [TS]

00:40:27   the literary culture [TS]

00:40:29   uh-huh and so you are playing this this [TS]

00:40:32   reference game where you're hopping from [TS]

00:40:34   lily pad to lily pad and the end the [TS]

00:40:35   other person is also playing that game [TS]

00:40:38   with you and trying to get ahead of you [TS]

00:40:42   and reference a book in advance of where [TS]

00:40:46   you're going to be in this conversation [TS]

00:40:48   and and you are here you're using books [TS]

00:40:52   as sort of social chess pieces with one [TS]

00:40:55   another and i would kind of sit in these [TS]

00:40:58   conversations and and everyone so I'll [TS]

00:41:00   lean in and say like oh that you know [TS]

00:41:03   that book was really interesting it made [TS]

00:41:05   me sort of question like my masculinity [TS]

00:41:09   in a way and and the conversation will [TS]

00:41:14   come to a screeching halt and everybody [TS]

00:41:15   would kind of look at me and then they [TS]

00:41:19   go back to talking about the next book [TS]

00:41:22   and the and the publisher of that book [TS]

00:41:26   and you know that they were not [TS]

00:41:27   interested in talking about what the [TS]

00:41:28   books did to them and that is what [TS]

00:41:34   passes for intellectual conversation a [TS]

00:41:36   lot of the time you're not you're not [TS]

00:41:38   really exploring the work and in a lot [TS]

00:41:41   of cases I wasn't sure that they had [TS]

00:41:42   read them but that the but it but if [TS]

00:41:46   we're making a little bit of the spills [TS]

00:41:48   and talk about comic books where when [TS]

00:41:50   you're talking about a comic book or a [TS]

00:41:51   character or a story our community leads [TS]

00:41:53   you to the next character or book or [TS]

00:41:55   story arc and you right there is not a [TS]

00:41:57   lot of times where you sit down and you [TS]

00:41:58   know [TS]

00:41:58   talk about how it makes you feel yeah [TS]

00:42:00   and you and you and so much of that [TS]

00:42:01   comic book talks like this artist this [TS]

00:42:04   sinker this this you know where it fits [TS]

00:42:07   into the cannon and never where it [TS]

00:42:11   resides in your in your heart or if it [TS]

00:42:15   even does and that's the thing like a [TS]

00:42:17   couple people give me give me stuff all [TS]

00:42:19   the time and I read it and it's the rare [TS]

00:42:22   thing and it should be rare that you [TS]

00:42:24   read something and go like oh fuck now i [TS]

00:42:28   am forever changed by this like this got [TS]

00:42:31   inside me [TS]

00:42:32   um and for me unfortunately if a thing [TS]

00:42:37   doesn't get inside me that I don't want [TS]

00:42:39   to talk about it I don't care about [TS]

00:42:40   where it fits in the can and I don't [TS]

00:42:42   care who the you know I don't care that [TS]

00:42:45   this is a this is a work in somebody [TS]

00:42:47   else's work pile like I'm looking for [TS]

00:42:51   the thing that that that nabs me and if [TS]

00:42:54   it doesn't then I don't care about its [TS]

00:42:55   relationship and that and that is that [TS]

00:43:00   makes it hard for and that's part of the [TS]

00:43:02   problem of me with fan fan boy that's [TS]

00:43:05   how it that's why I can't be a fanboy [TS]

00:43:07   exactly because how many great works are [TS]

00:43:11   there not that many [TS]

00:43:12   and if you're just a if you if you just [TS]

00:43:14   want to talk about the things that [TS]

00:43:15   connected with you it's going to be [TS]

00:43:17   different for every person and you you [TS]

00:43:19   don't have that like bonding over the [TS]

00:43:23   Marvel Universe for instance like what [TS]

00:43:26   about the Marvel Universe really grabs [TS]

00:43:28   me there are several things but but but [TS]

00:43:34   not enough that I want to spend a lot of [TS]

00:43:36   time talking about all the stuff that [TS]

00:43:39   doesn't know right and that's just you [TS]

00:43:43   know that's hard about rock and roll to [TS]

00:43:45   mean I listen to The Strokes yesterday I [TS]

00:43:50   wanted to hear the strokes I hadn't [TS]

00:43:52   heard the strokes in in 10 years and I [TS]

00:43:55   was like I want to hear that i want to [TS]

00:43:57   try and remember that feeling that I [TS]

00:43:59   heard the first time I heard the strokes [TS]

00:44:01   and felt like oh shit why didn't I think [TS]

00:44:05   of that right there definitely one of [TS]

00:44:07   those bands [TS]

00:44:08   yeah why didn't I think of that it was [TS]

00:44:09   right there was sitting there right all [TS]

00:44:11   along [TS]

00:44:12   and and nobody thought of it until they [TS]

00:44:16   thought of it and how do you feel after [TS]

00:44:18   was about 2000-2001 probably was when [TS]

00:44:21   their record hit big how's it feel now [TS]

00:44:23   2001 is when the record it big when I [TS]

00:44:25   can't separate that from the fact that [TS]

00:44:27   is when the first long winters record [TS]

00:44:29   came out I can't separate from 911 [TS]

00:44:31   because they had to pull that song new [TS]

00:44:33   york city cops from the album the choke [TS]

00:44:36   they chose to because i thought was in [TS]

00:44:38   poor taste given what happened [TS]

00:44:39   yeah since 2001 wow that's when I don't [TS]

00:44:43   really 2001 first long winters record [TS]

00:44:46   came or yeah first ones record was done [TS]

00:44:49   it didn't come out until 2002 but it was [TS]

00:44:51   we were done making it and then the [TS]

00:44:53   strokes record came out and was like oh [TS]

00:44:55   wow fuck right that sound [TS]

00:45:00   dang dang dang dang dang dang dang dang [TS]

00:45:03   I'm mad a plateau about you know it and [TS]

00:45:06   and 5000 bands duplicated that but had [TS]

00:45:11   it had a lot of energy and a lot of it [TS]

00:45:15   had a lot of swagger but without to [TS]

00:45:19   without too much obvious like you know [TS]

00:45:23   that whatever that dumb song by the [TS]

00:45:24   australian band that are you gonna be my [TS]

00:45:27   girl [TS]

00:45:28   Bobby dumped down internet and it was [TS]

00:45:30   like that's it was easy swagger it felt [TS]

00:45:33   natural and it was a minimalist is the [TS]

00:45:36   wrong word but it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

00:45:37   overdone it was a it was just pretty [TS]

00:45:39   much just like straight-up rock and roll [TS]

00:45:41   where it's another one things like like [TS]

00:45:42   the faces the faces come along and [TS]

00:45:44   you're like why you know what did people [TS]

00:45:46   do this before it's like the Rolling [TS]

00:45:47   Stones like more distilled and [TS]

00:45:49   surprising right [TS]

00:45:50   just answer Pixies or these fans to come [TS]

00:45:52   along like oh man that's that's why [TS]

00:45:54   didn't we do this before [TS]

00:45:56   yeah yeah and I feel like when that [TS]

00:45:59   first long winters record came out the [TS]

00:46:01   reaction for people was like oh yes this [TS]

00:46:04   i remember that all music guide review [TS]

00:46:07   its own app everyone see you sounded [TS]

00:46:10   like REM and I never understood that [TS]

00:46:13   yeah that i personally sounded like [TS]

00:46:15   michael stipe we at the big one that the [TS]

00:46:17   band sounded like REM which I maybe I [TS]

00:46:21   just think of REM is a different band [TS]

00:46:22   and the one they're comparing it to but [TS]

00:46:24   like [TS]

00:46:25   I mean I can hear how something like [TS]

00:46:27   what maybe cinnamon has some [TS]

00:46:29   instrumentation that could be [TS]

00:46:31   reminiscent of a like early mid nineties [TS]

00:46:35   REM but also had this wasn't what people [TS]

00:46:39   played on ya fuckin actually has a look [TS]

00:46:42   I know they're there was a there was a [TS]

00:46:46   review during that era that was like [TS]

00:46:50   this band sounds like REM and they [TS]

00:46:53   actually got Peter Buck to play on it [TS]

00:46:55   that is a bridge too far [TS]

00:46:58   yeah but like that's so that's so lame I [TS]

00:47:02   mean I remember he had produced a [TS]

00:47:03   feelings album i liked a lot in college [TS]

00:47:06   and played guitar on one of the songs [TS]

00:47:08   but it still sounded like the feelings [TS]

00:47:10   that didn't sound like REM i mean yeah [TS]

00:47:12   yeah you got a bad rap for a while as [TS]

00:47:15   long as we're digging up old wounds you [TS]

00:47:17   got a bad rap for a while for the whole [TS]

00:47:19   i will people talk about this band [TS]

00:47:21   because it has people from other bands [TS]

00:47:23   in it that are more famous and it's like [TS]

00:47:25   that it's missed the entire point of why [TS]

00:47:27   you know especially this first couple of [TS]

00:47:29   us have such a place in my heart that [TS]

00:47:31   you asked it really just fucking good [TS]

00:47:33   albums [TS]

00:47:34   yeah but they don't sound like anybody I [TS]

00:47:35   just don't get that they don't know that [TS]

00:47:38   but a you know I I can't [TS]

00:47:42   when I think about all the bands that [TS]

00:47:46   came out all the bands of my friends all [TS]

00:47:49   the bands that came out during that era [TS]

00:47:51   that didn't get any attention that [TS]

00:47:54   didn't that didn't move the needle at [TS]

00:47:56   all [TS]

00:47:58   I can't look back and you don't do that [TS]

00:48:01   whole period i kept I kept really really [TS]

00:48:05   i mean more than anything really wanting [TS]

00:48:07   to be to be suddenly important in that [TS]

00:48:12   way that sometimes I mean it kind of not [TS]

00:48:15   sometimes every season there's a band [TS]

00:48:18   that's suddenly important and you look [TS]

00:48:19   at it you listen to the music and you go [TS]

00:48:22   yeah i mean i hear what's cool about [TS]

00:48:24   that that song but i'm not sure if I get [TS]

00:48:28   why this band is suddenly important and [TS]

00:48:30   that band is you know like I i I'm and i [TS]

00:48:33   ended up meeting a and really liking the [TS]

00:48:36   singer of clap your hands say yeah [TS]

00:48:38   or foster the people or or mean the the [TS]

00:48:43   number of bands that in the course of my [TS]

00:48:46   own career in music were just the band [TS]

00:48:49   of the moment and I met enough of those [TS]

00:48:53   people and been friends with enough of [TS]

00:48:55   them that very few of them have a Death [TS]

00:48:58   Cab career where they're just kind of [TS]

00:49:00   the band of the moments multiple times [TS]

00:49:02   until they until they're a stadium band [TS]

00:49:05   and you kind of go out how what how did [TS]

00:49:07   that happen [TS]

00:49:08   uh-huh like clap your hands say yeah and [TS]

00:49:10   to stick it didn't it didn't keep [TS]

00:49:12   happening for them but they definitely [TS]

00:49:13   had a had a six-month period there where [TS]

00:49:16   they were the they were the band that [TS]

00:49:19   people were talking about [TS]

00:49:20   yeah and and when you ask them about [TS]

00:49:24   that experience they're like oh man I [TS]

00:49:26   wish that hadn't happened i wish that we [TS]

00:49:28   had had a chance to be more organic and [TS]

00:49:30   take our time and it was really weird [TS]

00:49:33   and it blew up and then it was then it [TS]

00:49:35   went away and I think about that when I [TS]

00:49:38   was putting out those first couple of [TS]

00:49:40   Records and I just wanted to be the band [TS]

00:49:42   of the moment so badly and and then I [TS]

00:49:46   realized like I was lucky i was lucky to [TS]

00:49:51   get the attention I got and clap your [TS]

00:49:52   hands say yeah I was lucky to get the [TS]

00:49:54   attention they got like you really only [TS]

00:49:56   you really only get your shot at it and [TS]

00:50:00   I had mine and there was so much snark [TS]

00:50:04   in the air at the time and some of it [TS]

00:50:08   landed on us but but what is our what is [TS]

00:50:12   our medical metacritic rating I mean [TS]

00:50:15   it's still above 60 you know like I [TS]

00:50:19   think we were I think we were we were [TS]

00:50:23   appraised pretty accurately in the in [TS]

00:50:27   the long run you know really don't i [TS]

00:50:30   mean huh i don't know i would i would [TS]

00:50:34   love to have I mean Yankee Hotel Foxtrot [TS]

00:50:36   came out right around the same time as [TS]

00:50:40   the first long winters record and yankee [TS]

00:50:42   hotel foxtrot had all that story about [TS]

00:50:45   how they took it to the majors in the [TS]

00:50:47   majors didn't want it and they got it [TS]

00:50:49   back and put it out themselves and [TS]

00:50:51   was a validation of of indy culture and [TS]

00:50:56   validation of fuck the man even though [TS]

00:50:58   they put it out themselves on another [TS]

00:51:00   imprint of their major label and they [TS]

00:51:02   made that film right where they didn't [TS]

00:51:05   wear this but there's one there's a lot [TS]

00:51:07   of stories also just the whole like how [TS]

00:51:09   it is supposedly started with the idea [TS]

00:51:11   of like hearing those weird radio [TS]

00:51:12   broadcasts you know the curtains to seem [TS]

00:51:15   to be to no one in particular there's [TS]

00:51:16   all kinds of things NPR could write a [TS]

00:51:18   story about with regard to that album it [TS]

00:51:19   was hella NPR yep [TS]

00:51:22   um and and it was indeed rocket NPR for [TS]

00:51:25   sure everybody had a story and it was it [TS]

00:51:28   was right at the peak moment of that of [TS]

00:51:30   that notion that sort of Sean Marshall [TS]

00:51:33   cat power bonnie prince billy idea of [TS]

00:51:38   indie rock artists who doesn't want to [TS]

00:51:40   be famous [TS]

00:51:42   who's really tortured by their fame and [TS]

00:51:45   tortured by their own complicated mental [TS]

00:51:48   world and so and so they didn't want it [TS]

00:51:53   man [TS]

00:51:54   they didn't want it they were forced [TS]

00:51:55   into it because their work was so [TS]

00:51:57   amazing and you know and and sitting on [TS]

00:52:01   the other side of it and saying like [TS]

00:52:02   well bonnie prince billy may be living [TS]

00:52:05   in a in a tree fort and we may not want [TS]

00:52:07   it but he sure seems to pose for a lot [TS]

00:52:10   of photo shoots like you how long it [TS]

00:52:13   takes two to do a photoshoot for for a [TS]

00:52:17   major feature and imagine many somebody [TS]

00:52:20   is paying his publicist [TS]

00:52:21   yeah it takes a whole day of standing [TS]

00:52:24   around getting your picture taken to get [TS]

00:52:26   that picture that's on the cover of mojo [TS]

00:52:29   or whatever and and there's a different [TS]

00:52:33   picture of him every time I open a [TS]

00:52:35   magazine so he's doing a lot of those [TS]

00:52:37   janeane garofalo on regarding any [TS]

00:52:40   veteran a kaiser helmet like okay well [TS]

00:52:44   you know if you uh you don't want to be [TS]

00:52:46   photographed in a kind of helmet like [TS]

00:52:48   stopped showing up at photo shoots with [TS]

00:52:50   Kaiser helmet right like much you know [TS]

00:52:52   if you if you quit being but is [TS]

00:52:54   certainly way more complicated than that [TS]

00:52:55   it's super complicated but it's yeah but [TS]

00:52:58   Yankee Hotel Foxtrot aesthetically was [TS]

00:53:02   exploring a lot of similar ground [TS]

00:53:05   to the first long winters record right [TS]

00:53:07   we were using americana styles but we [TS]

00:53:13   were spending a lot of time with broken [TS]

00:53:16   keyboards and weird little like Lila [TS]

00:53:21   phones and stuff before before that [TS]

00:53:23   became ubiquitous and they were Yankee [TS]

00:53:28   Hotel Foxtrot has a lot of sort of sonic [TS]

00:53:30   landscapes which was also what we were [TS]

00:53:33   trying to do on the first long winters [TS]

00:53:34   record and we were making those records [TS]

00:53:36   are they were somewhat contemporaneous [TS]

00:53:38   with one another like I like I i forget [TS]

00:53:41   when yankee hotel foxtrot came out but [TS]

00:53:43   it was all it was already after we had [TS]

00:53:45   finished the first long winters record [TS]

00:53:47   maybe they came out about the same time [TS]

00:53:49   and the way that their record was [TS]

00:53:55   discussed in the popular culture as [TS]

00:53:57   though it was a you know a life-changing [TS]

00:54:00   event for everybody and who and a real [TS]

00:54:03   like new idea and send sitting with our [TS]

00:54:10   record kind of there in my hand offering [TS]

00:54:13   it up to the world and saying like this [TS]

00:54:15   is a this was motivated by similar [TS]

00:54:17   similar ideas and the saw and their [TS]

00:54:22   songs here that are that are equivalent [TS]

00:54:26   equivalently good and to have it sort of [TS]

00:54:30   not not only like not be embraced at [TS]

00:54:35   that same level obviously but but not [TS]

00:54:37   discussed in that way even not the [TS]

00:54:40   language used to describe our record was [TS]

00:54:44   not the same and and and that was the [TS]

00:54:48   that was the big my big my initial big [TS]

00:54:51   resentment toward the decemberists was [TS]

00:54:53   that so there-there record came out and [TS]

00:54:56   people are like it is the literary it is [TS]

00:54:58   this is the music that smart people will [TS]

00:55:00   listen to have you heard these lyrics [TS]

00:55:02   have you have you sat down with your [TS]

00:55:05   pince-nez on and read these lyrics [TS]

00:55:08   because this is where this is the future [TS]

00:55:11   of smart people music and i was like i [TS]

00:55:13   also have [TS]

00:55:16   lyrics that that i would but i would [TS]

00:55:18   love it if you would read them a couple [TS]

00:55:20   of times everyone hello and you know in [TS]

00:55:23   our our reviews were like you know indie [TS]

00:55:29   rock stuff here here's a band making [TS]

00:55:33   some indie rock music and and you know [TS]

00:55:35   that there it is right and that's what [TS]

00:55:38   we were doing but but I could never [TS]

00:55:42   quite figure out how to get yourself in [TS]

00:55:44   the lens of that of that culture sniper [TS]

00:55:47   and and and and honestly everybody that [TS]

00:55:50   makes stuff kind of wants to be there [TS]

00:55:53   and then as soon as they are they don't [TS]

00:55:54   want to be there and they disavow ever [TS]

00:55:56   having wanted to be there because it [TS]

00:56:00   happens but before you have time to [TS]

00:56:01   really realize it's happening [TS]

00:56:03   sometimes well that I may have told you [TS]

00:56:07   about this before but in night early [TS]

00:56:09   nineteen ninety-one i was sitting in a [TS]

00:56:11   cafe in seattle and reading i think the [TS]

00:56:13   rocket which was one of at the time [TS]

00:56:16   Seattle had like four alternative [TS]

00:56:17   newspapers and the rocket was the rock [TS]

00:56:20   and roll one and it was a long interview [TS]

00:56:21   with nirvana pre never mind during which [TS]

00:56:27   kurt cobain kind of spent a lot of the [TS]

00:56:29   interview saying like we're gonna be the [TS]

00:56:31   biggest band in the world where the [TS]

00:56:33   where our record is the best record [TS]

00:56:34   anybody's ever made and we're gonna be [TS]

00:56:36   huge and just really love like like [TS]

00:56:40   lapping it up and loving it and and [TS]

00:56:43   wanting wanting it you know and i [TS]

00:56:46   remember reading it at the time also [TS]

00:56:49   being a 21 year old who wanted to be a [TS]

00:56:53   rock star and be like yeah man like [TS]

00:56:56   that's the attitude that's that rock and [TS]

00:56:58   roll attitude and and there was some [TS]

00:56:59   irony in it for sure but he was also [TS]

00:57:02   saying we've made the best rock and roll [TS]

00:57:04   record you've ever heard and I can't [TS]

00:57:06   wait for you to hear it and he was [TS]

00:57:09   talking about nevermind but it hadn't [TS]

00:57:12   come out yet and he was just like this [TS]

00:57:15   is going to blow people's minds it's [TS]

00:57:16   fucking killer and fast forward a year [TS]

00:57:19   and reading the press where he was like [TS]

00:57:24   this record didn't sound like we wanted [TS]

00:57:26   to was too polished it was to wrong [TS]

00:57:29   can roll with the major label hired an [TS]

00:57:32   outside mixer and made it all slick [TS]

00:57:34   that's not who we are and you know if [TS]

00:57:38   the story had really changed and I [TS]

00:57:39   imagine in his mind it was true what he [TS]

00:57:43   was saying but and I've never been able [TS]

00:57:47   to find that rocket interview and I [TS]

00:57:49   never heard anything like that from him [TS]

00:57:51   that I know of [TS]

00:57:52   yeah it was really on that a scholar of [TS]

00:57:54   Kurt Cobain died I'm much more familiar [TS]

00:57:56   with the other kind of story [TS]

00:57:57   yeah right the other story became my [TS]

00:57:59   canon but the but that with the early [TS]

00:58:03   early talk from him on that was like [TS]

00:58:05   this is going to kick ass and because [TS]

00:58:09   they were 21 and it made a killer rock [TS]

00:58:11   record and they you know they had to [TS]

00:58:13   know it right [TS]

00:58:14   I and they were excited they were [TS]

00:58:17   excited because you don't wear a kaiser [TS]

00:58:20   helmet to a photo shoot unless you where [TS]

00:58:22   you want your picture taken wearing a [TS]

00:58:23   kaiser helmet and honestly you don't [TS]

00:58:25   make a kick-ass rock record unless you [TS]

00:58:27   want to make a kick you want to be a [TS]

00:58:30   kick-ass rock band and you always gonna [TS]

00:58:32   remember that there was no Nirvana [TS]

00:58:33   before Nirvana that you know whatever [TS]

00:58:35   happened in the two or three years after [TS]

00:58:36   that you see as the you know there's a [TS]

00:58:39   precedent with them but listen I mean it [TS]

00:58:41   must have been seems like a really big [TS]

00:58:43   deal because of all the bands that you [TS]

00:58:45   could pick out of the lineup in 1990-91 [TS]

00:58:48   they would not necessarily be the one [TS]

00:58:50   you would pick two to be the ones to get [TS]

00:58:53   a DC contract and get the biggest record [TS]

00:58:56   in years right [TS]

00:58:58   I mean and you tell me yeah no i don't i [TS]

00:59:00   went to pick the fastbacks before that [TS]

00:59:02   well or money i mean around Seattle like [TS]

00:59:05   what was cool like money was cool and [TS]

00:59:09   Nirvana was kind of seen as like [TS]

00:59:12   Mudhoney wannabes because mommy had that [TS]

00:59:17   like fuck you man at that was in their [TS]

00:59:21   sound and in their attitude and if you [TS]

00:59:25   look at money photo shoots from that era [TS]

00:59:28   they didn't show up wearing a kaiser [TS]

00:59:30   helmet they showed up covered in vomit [TS]

00:59:33   and and so according to the standards of [TS]

00:59:40   the time [TS]

00:59:41   according to the language of the time [TS]

00:59:43   they were way cooler and more authentic [TS]

00:59:45   and and and their sound reflected that [TS]

00:59:49   and there and the shit that they said I [TS]

00:59:52   mean they were funny rai but also they [TS]

00:59:58   were they were the [TS]

00:59:58   were they were the [TS]

01:00:00   come they were the punk-rock monkeys or [TS]

01:00:05   the punk rock hard day's night where [TS]

01:00:07   instead of saying like turn left at [TS]

01:00:10   Greenland they would take the reporters [TS]

01:00:13   microphone and and dunk it in a bucket [TS]

01:00:15   of beer and say this interviews over [TS]

01:00:17   fuck you and buy it by comparison [TS]

01:00:20   Nirvana was polished and I mean more [TS]

01:00:24   polished and more ambitious and you know [TS]

01:00:29   they had that they there was that song [TS]

01:00:31   that mean they were there were there [TS]

01:00:35   were a couple of Nirvana lyrics that [TS]

01:00:37   we're kind of cribbed out of mud honey [TS]

01:00:39   lyrics enough that it was noticeable and [TS]

01:00:41   the people remarked on it wow like i [TS]

01:00:44   didn't i didn't Mudhoney already write [TS]

01:00:47   that song i think they did but the [TS]

01:00:50   Nirvana version of it was just a little [TS]

01:00:52   bit more listenable so and also you know [TS]

01:00:57   we think of kurt cobain is being very [TS]

01:00:58   photogenic now but but that but they [TS]

01:01:01   weren't very photogenic like that just [TS]

01:01:04   the contrast between crisp who was 6 7 [TS]

01:01:08   and curt who was 57 was it was weird [TS]

01:01:13   looking right i mean they that they were [TS]

01:01:16   only cute after after they had a little [TS]

01:01:22   bit of style put on also Kurt Cobain had [TS]

01:01:24   almost like almost like a like a Manson [TS]

01:01:28   vibe sometimes you have right [TS]

01:01:29   he looks really manic and bad skin and [TS]

01:01:33   didn't know how do you know that whole [TS]

01:01:34   period where he was dying his hair black [TS]

01:01:36   and stuff just no thank you [TS]

01:01:39   but after the fact you look back and and [TS]

01:01:43   it all seems like it was it was faded to [TS]

01:01:47   be when i got to seattle they were [TS]

01:01:50   already up they were a big band because [TS]

01:01:52   bleed should come out and they were one [TS]

01:01:54   of the they were one of the big bands [TS]

01:01:56   but they were playing at the ok hotel [TS]

01:01:58   it's not like they were even playing the [TS]

01:02:00   showbox they were they could sell 3 400 [TS]

01:02:07   tickets [TS]

01:02:09   and people its people weren't like [TS]

01:02:12   snipping off a lock of his hair or [TS]

01:02:14   anything [TS]

01:02:15   yeah but then that record came out and [TS]

01:02:19   boy it really connected and connected [TS]

01:02:22   connected with the with everybody [TS]

01:02:24   immediately [TS]

01:02:25   uh-huh 25 years ago 24 years ago huh [TS]

01:02:34   24 years ago this month right it came [TS]

01:02:37   out in august-september right I think I [TS]

01:02:40   i first started on mtv i think i dont [TS]

01:02:41   even here on the I don't you know what I [TS]

01:02:43   might have heard it on the college radio [TS]

01:02:45   station but I I very specifically [TS]

01:02:47   remember when the video because i was [TS]

01:02:49   watching MTV a lot then and when the [TS]

01:02:50   video came out and I taped it and like I [TS]

01:02:53   was in its thrall i thought was the [TS]

01:02:56   greatest songs ever heard [TS]

01:02:58   yeah it was such a good song that even L [TS]

01:03:01   Yankovic's version of it was something [TS]

01:03:04   that I wanted to hear like a it would [TS]

01:03:07   have somebody had so many good parts to [TS]

01:03:08   it [TS]

01:03:09   I mean you know I'm why i say this too [TS]

01:03:11   much but there was so many hooks in that [TS]

01:03:14   song but the hooks were there so [TS]

01:03:16   sometimes so weird or just so satisfying [TS]

01:03:19   I mean like you know just I mean the [TS]

01:03:22   drums on that song alone or just like [TS]

01:03:24   yeah to put them to put them to put them [TS]

01:03:27   together [TS]

01:03:28   I know and when you fairly recent [TS]

01:03:30   addition to the band at that point yep [TS]

01:03:31   yep it was outsider not even from the [TS]

01:03:34   Northwest man the he's somebody's [TS]

01:03:37   Virginia interviews over that [TS]

01:03:43   yeah eh fuck you fuck your corporate [TS]

01:03:46   rock magazines bad [TS]

01:03:49   here we are here we are 25 years later [TS]

01:03:53   and that's our legacy right it's not [TS]

01:03:56   like not like oh yes the Freedom Riders [TS]

01:03:59   haha yes the we we ended the war in [TS]

01:04:04   Vietnam know it's like look your [TS]

01:04:06   corporate rock magazines bad [TS]

01:04:10   ya ready that's this episode of Roderick [TS]

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01:05:36   that will be our epitaph press now sorry [TS]

01:05:41   yeah i know it happens a lot a it [TS]

01:05:44   happens a lot and what oh you know what [TS]

01:05:46   the latest one for me was fun it was [TS]

01:05:48   realizing that barack obama was elected [TS]

01:05:50   president of the United States when he [TS]

01:05:52   was 47 years old [TS]

01:05:54   and at the time when he was 47 years old [TS]

01:05:58   I i was what 3938 was I 331 you're that [TS]

01:06:09   young i was 39 but able to say like oh [TS]

01:06:14   right well 47 of course is like [TS]

01:06:16   presidential age right [TS]

01:06:18   it's not like he's getting elected [TS]

01:06:19   president at 39 which is still a young [TS]

01:06:23   it's a young man who 397 a lot of living [TS]

01:06:26   did a lot of living really fell Merlin [TS]

01:06:28   next month I will be 47 years old i will [TS]

01:06:32   be 47 years old and I can't even make it [TS]

01:06:34   through the primary of seattle city [TS]

01:06:36   council election let alone get elected [TS]

01:06:39   president of the united states didn't [TS]

01:06:42   win the primary didn't win it huh was [TS]

01:06:44   close wasn't even close [TS]

01:06:46   who was not close pretty definitive not [TS]

01:06:51   really a lot of opportunity to step in [TS]

01:06:53   and say like I believe there were some [TS]

01:06:55   voting irregularities I would I demand a [TS]

01:06:58   recount who like none of that was that [TS]

01:07:01   there was not an opportunity for that [TS]

01:07:03   it's been a couple weeks now it's been a [TS]

01:07:08   couple weeks [TS]

01:07:09   just about just about a couple weeks [TS]

01:07:10   tomorrow couple weeks yeah [TS]

01:07:12   yep yep sort of still so processing it [TS]

01:07:16   you know in the same the same way that [TS]

01:07:17   they used to say that if you smoke pot [TS]

01:07:20   it would you could still detected in [TS]

01:07:23   your hair and your fingernails [TS]

01:07:24   Oh several weeks after months after and [TS]

01:07:27   if you smoke cigars you get high again [TS]

01:07:29   my that one [TS]

01:07:31   mm so how's your how's your hair doing [TS]

01:07:33   is coming out uh the pot the elections [TS]

01:07:36   and even you know analogy is anymore so [TS]

01:07:38   I'm just cycling I'm just pushing it out [TS]

01:07:40   through my pores I'm just I'm just I'm [TS]

01:07:42   sure that that campaign is still going [TS]

01:07:44   to be in my fingernails in my hair for a [TS]

01:07:46   while but I've but the you know the part [TS]

01:07:49   of it that would be detectable in my [TS]

01:07:51   urine is maybe now starting to pass and [TS]

01:07:58   I'm getting back on getting back on a [TS]

01:08:01   regular amour amour normal even key [TS]

01:08:06   Joel you sound a lot better I don't know [TS]

01:08:10   what that's mean if it means anything [TS]

01:08:11   but you do sound better [TS]

01:08:13   yeah lets you so much bad yeah yeah if [TS]

01:08:18   you want to wait a week I i we can also [TS]

01:08:19   talk about Evel Knievel well yeah i do [TS]

01:08:22   want to i want to share my whole [TS]

01:08:25   experience with everybody and and I [TS]

01:08:28   always knew that would take a little bit [TS]

01:08:30   of processing time and i'm still I know [TS]

01:08:33   I'm still processing it so why don't we [TS]

01:08:35   talk about Evel Knievel and al-qaeda [TS]

01:08:38   kidding and i will put a bookmark you [TS]

01:08:40   know put a tad little-little attack in [TS]

01:08:44   it uh-huh [TS]

01:08:45   because I do want to know you wanted to [TS]

01:08:48   discourse extensively on on the [TS]

01:08:51   experience now that I am NOT under such [TS]

01:08:53   intense scrutiny right because I feel [TS]

01:08:58   like I owe that to everybody and also i [TS]

01:09:01   would it will be interesting for me but [TS]

01:09:03   but uh but I'm very very interested in [TS]

01:09:08   Evel Knievel i don't know why i brought [TS]

01:09:10   it up [TS]

01:09:11   is that a is that a thing that is Evel [TS]

01:09:13   Knievel back in the news you're talking [TS]

01:09:14   about how you like you know people talk [TS]

01:09:18   about books kinda jump from one thing to [TS]

01:09:19   the next idea that sometimes i'm [TS]

01:09:20   watching TV [TS]

01:09:21   he is one reason why i frequently don't [TS]

01:09:23   watch a whole movie yet you so you have [TS]

01:09:26   one of those remote control dinguses [TS]

01:09:29   that allows you to to jump around or are [TS]

01:09:31   you talking about you actually you [TS]

01:09:33   actually touch the mousepad no no no i [TS]

01:09:36   mean i have a television I'm not an [TS]

01:09:37   animal [TS]

01:09:38   you know i watch things on the TV but [TS]

01:09:40   yeah you watch things on the TV but they [TS]

01:09:45   are coming from the internet they can [TS]

01:09:47   they can but you also have cable [TS]

01:09:49   no I'm a cord cutter so you cut the cord [TS]

01:09:53   you have a do you have a disc for a dud [TS]

01:09:57   a dirt I have a bluray / DVD player [TS]

01:10:02   that's not currently plugged in but it's [TS]

01:10:04   there if it's if it's needs to be called [TS]

01:10:05   upon [TS]

01:10:06   no I mean they like a rooftop uh I don't [TS]

01:10:09   know we don't get we don't get any TV in [TS]

01:10:11   the normal sense at our house which is [TS]

01:10:13   what makes going to a hotel room so [TS]

01:10:15   staggering for my family because my kids [TS]

01:10:18   been brought up you know [TS]

01:10:19   in a house that just doesn't have [TS]

01:10:21   commercials it's so weird cause she [TS]

01:10:23   loves them so much i think it's her [TS]

01:10:25   favorite part of the show the [TS]

01:10:26   commercials loves the commercials we [TS]

01:10:29   talk about this like we'll be going out [TS]

01:10:30   to eat because you know you can't go out [TS]

01:10:31   to eat unless their televisions [TS]

01:10:33   everywhere right and she'll just be rapt [TS]

01:10:35   attention so just be staring at like the [TS]

01:10:36   infomercial about golf [TS]

01:10:38   there are much louder and much brighter [TS]

01:10:39   than the normal show absolutely [TS]

01:10:42   absolutely but now she's entirely in [TS]

01:10:45   trance by this but it's it's strange [TS]

01:10:46   because you know that means that she's [TS]

01:10:48   growing up watching like reality shows [TS]

01:10:50   like project runway where they do the [TS]

01:10:53   whole big like cliffhanger and then they [TS]

01:10:55   go to commercial and then come back and [TS]

01:10:56   there's a cliffhanger music and they say [TS]

01:10:58   what they just said right before they [TS]

01:10:59   went to commercial [TS]

01:11:00   it's like why did they say that twice as [TS]

01:11:01   well because there's like two minutes of [TS]

01:11:02   commercials that we didn't see right [TS]

01:11:04   uh-huh [TS]

01:11:06   no i don't know i was texting you last [TS]

01:11:08   night was watching a movie by the Evel [TS]

01:11:10   Knievel and now you just made me think [TS]

01:11:11   of you because in the first few minutes [TS]

01:11:12   they interviewed Matthew McConaughey and [TS]

01:11:15   Guy Fieri and Uncle Bob Einstein on the [TS]

01:11:18   first few minutes so you yeah you sent [TS]

01:11:21   me on a little bit of a Bob Einstein [TS]

01:11:22   trip last night where I i watched i [TS]

01:11:26   watched his comedians in cars getting [TS]

01:11:29   coffee [TS]

01:11:29   all good did you enjoy that with the [TS]

01:11:31   mercedes 300 SEL what the hell of a car [TS]

01:11:36   beautiful car i was looking for one of [TS]

01:11:38   those for a long time I thought that I [TS]

01:11:40   would I thought that would be the car [TS]

01:11:42   that i actually went and test drove some [TS]

01:11:44   and a 300-horsepower engine in a car [TS]

01:11:46   that sighs ah yeah 280 whole horsepower [TS]

01:11:50   yeah I wasn't it was like the big [TS]

01:11:52   Mercedes v8 they kind of just slammed [TS]

01:11:54   into the regular size car and yeah [TS]

01:11:58   they're they're amazing but you know [TS]

01:12:00   they were amazing at the time the [TS]

01:12:02   problem is now any like any like base [TS]

01:12:08   model kia with a four-cylinder motor we [TS]

01:12:13   have in automotive technology that has [TS]

01:12:16   improved so much that you know through [TS]

01:12:19   the through the alchemy of like torque [TS]

01:12:24   and and revs [TS]

01:12:27   and tuning they have basically achieved [TS]

01:12:32   with these tiny little motors in these [TS]

01:12:34   tiny little cars an ability to go way [TS]

01:12:37   faster [TS]

01:12:38   well it feels like the pickup is where [TS]

01:12:40   it's changed it feels like every you [TS]

01:12:42   know youyou we live through those years [TS]

01:12:44   where pretty much every American car was [TS]

01:12:45   not that super good somewhere nicer than [TS]

01:12:48   others but it feels like any car [TS]

01:12:50   American or internationally produced [TS]

01:12:52   almost any car from the last even 10 [TS]

01:12:55   years that i sat down and felt fine and [TS]

01:12:58   had enough pick up to like be able to [TS]

01:12:59   get onto the highway and it just didn't [TS]

01:13:01   used to be that way [TS]

01:13:02   yeah well I'm the fuel-injection what [TS]

01:13:03   Scott about how they do that [TS]

01:13:05   yeah it's all that kind of stuff it's [TS]

01:13:07   physics it's again the cars don't have [TS]

01:13:09   carburetors anymore they're all fuel [TS]

01:13:11   injected and they all are geared us in a [TS]

01:13:17   way where your first gear and your [TS]

01:13:19   second gear are really torquay so they [TS]

01:13:22   so you get all this off the line sort of [TS]

01:13:26   jump like my my high school car was a 19 [TS]

01:13:30   this is before i bought the Fiat might [TS]

01:13:33   the first the first real car and I [TS]

01:13:36   inherited from my dad [TS]

01:13:37   it was a 1972 chrysler newport imperial [TS]

01:13:42   and it was a coup pay the two door with [TS]

01:13:47   a sort of opera window that had a and [TS]

01:13:52   ahead of vinyl top and the color was [TS]

01:13:55   like metallic copper metallic copper [TS]

01:14:02   Kupe but but uh it when you think of a [TS]

01:14:08   coupe like a like a two-door you think [TS]

01:14:10   of it being a hot-rod car but this [TS]

01:14:14   chrysler newport Imperial was 45 feet [TS]

01:14:18   long and weigh like this up was in the [TS]

01:14:23   style of the time right [TS]

01:14:26   pre pre energy crisis [TS]

01:14:32   oh my god what a boat it and that is [TS]

01:14:37   exactly what we called it the boat [TS]

01:14:38   that's a two-door yeah [TS]

01:14:40   it's just the trouble such as 20 feet [TS]

01:14:43   long but the trunk is 20 feet long and [TS]

01:14:46   and the inside was a was like [TS]

01:14:52   upholstered in exactly the fabric that [TS]

01:14:57   you would you would have honor like a [TS]

01:15:01   grandmother's couch use a 74 it was it [TS]

01:15:06   was 74 Imperial you know an end and the [TS]

01:15:12   largest island ltd yet but bigger and [TS]

01:15:16   and and Chrysler right but I mean just [TS]

01:15:20   in terms like I think if I like a LTR [TS]

01:15:22   continental file from for is what it [TS]

01:15:24   reminds me of it it looks like it's a [TS]

01:15:26   nod to that but it's a little sporty-er [TS]

01:15:28   and it's it's long in the front it's [TS]

01:15:30   long in the back its long in the middle [TS]

01:15:32   this impossibly my god it's ridiculous [TS]

01:15:36   and so my Chrysler had a 440 like a very [TS]

01:15:41   very big motor the displacement of the [TS]

01:15:45   of the motor was pretty much as large as [TS]

01:15:50   you could get there there are obviously [TS]

01:15:53   we're bigger motors that Cadillac had [TS]

01:15:55   like a 472 or something but but 440 was [TS]

01:16:01   very very big engine and and yet the car [TS]

01:16:07   was geared and designed to cruise on [TS]

01:16:11   America's highways and from a stoplight [TS]

01:16:14   if I would slam down the pedal it would [TS]

01:16:18   immediately burn two gallons of gas but [TS]

01:16:23   the car didn't like peel out it didn't [TS]

01:16:27   it it sort of you know it it's its [TS]

01:16:31   initial reaction to having the gas pedal [TS]

01:16:34   slam down was sort of like oh god really [TS]

01:16:37   ok [TS]

01:16:38   [Music] [TS]

01:16:39   like lurch forward and then hit its [TS]

01:16:49   stride at about 65 miles an hour so if [TS]

01:16:55   you know it weighed I'm 5,000 5,000 it [TS]

01:17:00   wait and wait over it with over two tons [TS]

01:17:03   yeah so it would it would at about six [TS]

01:17:06   if you're doing a quarter-mile against [TS]

01:17:08   somebody you know like any scirocco or [TS]

01:17:11   any volkswagen golf could just school it [TS]

01:17:17   in a quarter-mile but if you were doing [TS]

01:17:20   a mile or you know or or but two miles [TS]

01:17:25   straight away like forget about it this [TS]

01:17:27   car could could go a hundred and forty [TS]

01:17:29   miles an hour and and it just wanted to [TS]

01:17:32   like the faster it went it just kind of [TS]

01:17:34   would sit down on its haunches it just [TS]

01:17:37   kind of got it would just get lower and [TS]

01:17:39   darker like there was a gear it's [TS]

01:17:43   switched gears at a hundred and ten [TS]

01:17:46   there was another gear at a hundred and [TS]

01:17:51   ten miles an hour it would go into a [TS]

01:17:53   further like overdrive and you'd be [TS]

01:17:56   going like it would down shift at a [TS]

01:18:03   hundred and ten which means that it was [TS]

01:18:04   meant to stay up there they designed it [TS]

01:18:08   in such a way that it was like well a [TS]

01:18:10   210 you're gonna want to have a cruising [TS]

01:18:12   gear at that point right so that [TS]

01:18:15   mentality and I mean and obviously it [TS]

01:18:17   was just it was burning it a gallon gas [TS]

01:18:20   every every minute but that mentality [TS]

01:18:25   compared two cars now where none of [TS]

01:18:28   these little cars can go a hundred miles [TS]

01:18:29   an hour and if they and if you got one [TS]

01:18:31   up 200 miles an hour you wouldn't want [TS]

01:18:33   to stay there they check themselves [TS]

01:18:35   apart but so that Mercedes that 300 it's [TS]

01:18:41   it's a fast car and a very cool smooth [TS]

01:18:45   running car but it's the same thing it's [TS]

01:18:46   decided to go a hundred miles an hour [TS]

01:18:48   all day long and kind of [TS]

01:18:50   they're like a like a brick on ice [TS]

01:18:53   I stepfather i'm pretty sure had the [TS]

01:18:56   successor which is the chrysler new [TS]

01:18:58   yorker brown [TS]

01:18:59   oh that work for you are that's a i [TS]

01:19:02   remember it was hard to close the doors [TS]

01:19:05   and they were so it was electric windows [TS]

01:19:08   which course maybe even heavier it was [TS]

01:19:10   it was so impossibly heavy it was hard [TS]

01:19:13   to close the doors because the doors [TS]

01:19:14   themselves weighed so much [TS]

01:19:16   yeah well I mean there's a lot of [TS]

01:19:17   velocity once you got it moving you [TS]

01:19:18   could like was a kid in that door [TS]

01:19:20   yeah yeah we had we had a lot of fun in [TS]

01:19:23   that car but unfortunately I was not it [TS]

01:19:26   was a late bloomer [TS]

01:19:28   so all of the greats like all of the [TS]

01:19:31   wonderful sexcapades that I potentially [TS]

01:19:33   could have had if I was a little bit [TS]

01:19:35   more of a fast mover by the time by the [TS]

01:19:40   time i was ready to to really make out [TS]

01:19:42   with somebody in the in the on the [TS]

01:19:44   comfortable couch in the backseat of [TS]

01:19:46   that car the car was gone did I ever [TS]

01:19:49   tell you what what happened to that car [TS]

01:19:51   I got back to I got back to Anchorage [TS]

01:19:54   after some trip and I was like where's [TS]

01:20:01   the boat and my dad said oh I gave it to [TS]

01:20:07   the city of Fort Yukon my dad at the [TS]

01:20:12   time was was working as a the city of [TS]

01:20:18   Fort Yukon had encountered some [TS]

01:20:20   financial problems and was kind of going [TS]

01:20:23   bankrupt and it was it was governed by a [TS]

01:20:25   board by a kind of city council but it [TS]

01:20:28   was it was also part of a native [TS]

01:20:30   corporation and and so my dad went there [TS]

01:20:35   to help them [TS]

01:20:37   straighten out their town and kind of [TS]

01:20:40   ended up for a time being a sort of [TS]

01:20:42   unelected mayor chairman or you know [TS]

01:20:49   like consigliere just an ad-hoc [TS]

01:20:53   burgermeister yeah somebody to come up [TS]

01:20:56   there and and and and my dad and my [TS]

01:20:59   uncle both sort of help the city of for [TS]

01:21:02   UConn [TS]

01:21:03   over the course of several years figure [TS]

01:21:06   out how to govern itself because they [TS]

01:21:09   were alliances between families in the [TS]

01:21:12   town then and there was a board that was [TS]

01:21:14   sort of run by a guy and they had in the [TS]

01:21:18   style of the time like there was the [TS]

01:21:20   town but they also owned an airline the [TS]

01:21:22   town-owned its own airline and they had [TS]

01:21:27   and they were right on the river and it [TS]

01:21:29   was a confusing place anyway we used to [TS]

01:21:32   go up there quite a bit when my dad [TS]

01:21:34   would have business there but I came [TS]

01:21:36   home from some long trip and he said I [TS]

01:21:38   gave your car to the city of for UConn [TS]

01:21:41   and I said that was my car it still had [TS]

01:21:46   my stuff in the trunk man did you open [TS]

01:21:49   the trunk and empty it out and he was [TS]

01:21:52   like oh no i didn't and i was like there [TS]

01:21:56   was there was my stuff was in it like in [TS]

01:21:58   the in the in the backseat my coat and a [TS]

01:22:04   lot of things that seems really i mean [TS]

01:22:08   there's like a package of oreos in the [TS]

01:22:11   glove box that I was still working my [TS]

01:22:14   way through and he was like well you [TS]

01:22:15   know they for whatever reason I needed I [TS]

01:22:18   I felt like it was sitting in my [TS]

01:22:21   driveway and and they needed it and so [TS]

01:22:23   it's now that it's now the car is now [TS]

01:22:26   the city car mean there are other cars [TS]

01:22:28   and for you come but this was now the [TS]

01:22:30   city government car is a point that [TS]

01:22:34   that's very generous but like what a [TS]

01:22:36   cautionary tale I never want to do that [TS]

01:22:37   to my kids car [TS]

01:22:38   well and also in order to get it to for [TS]

01:22:43   UConn he had to drive it up to the end [TS]

01:22:47   of the road and put it on a barge and [TS]

01:22:52   ship it down the Yukon River because [TS]

01:22:54   there's no Road to the city of for UConn [TS]

01:22:56   you can only get there by airplane or by [TS]

01:22:59   barge and he barged it to for UConn and [TS]

01:23:05   then of course the river froze and I you [TS]

01:23:09   know I was arriving home in in december [TS]

01:23:12   or something and it was like there's no [TS]

01:23:14   getting you can't get the car if even [TS]

01:23:16   even if you went up there and said give [TS]

01:23:18   me my car back there wouldn't be any way [TS]

01:23:20   to retrieve it has been setting a lot of [TS]

01:23:23   work [TS]

01:23:24   it was a big my dad you know he never [TS]

01:23:27   did anything half-assed well that's not [TS]

01:23:29   true he did everything FS but he never [TS]

01:23:32   he did not give my car away half asked [TS]

01:23:34   he gave my car away in the in the most [TS]

01:23:38   fully asked way possible [TS]