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Ep. 162: "April's Cream"

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0:00:00I'm Merlin night John how are you I'm

0:00:09doing great man how's it going pretty

0:00:11good tale me somethin John around uh

0:00:17let's see something John that you like

0:00:20and where I add some I made some coffee

0:00:24mhm and then that this is what will give

0:00:27you some sense of where I'm at I I

0:00:31looked in the refrigerator and there was

0:00:32some cream in there and I grabbed it and

0:00:36I knew that there were I knew that there

0:00:37was a variety of sort of suspect creams

0:00:40in the in the refrigerator

0:00:42yeah but it was also possible there's

0:00:44been a few people in and out of the

0:00:45house is also possible that somebody had

0:00:47bought a new cream a new container of

0:00:50cream eisenberg uncertainty cream

0:00:51yep and so I I grabbed the cream I

0:00:56looked at it I read the date and I said

0:00:59oh joon one it's almost june yeah right

0:01:02and I right on the corner and I put the

0:01:04cream in the coffee and then I you know

0:01:06was walking around sipping it and if

0:01:08there were some floaters but you know

0:01:09that what does come on i'm not a guy

0:01:12that's gonna throw a cup of coffee way

0:01:13just for a couple of floaters and then

0:01:16after about 10 minutes I had one of

0:01:20those sort of you know the slow delayed

0:01:22slit time release the oxycontin of

0:01:25thought where I was like jun 10

0:01:31it's almost august our God and then I

0:01:35went and looked at the looked at it

0:01:39again to confirm that it was june and i

0:01:41open it up and I smell the cream and it

0:01:43was it did not smell like spoiled milk

0:01:46it smelled kind of like pie

0:01:51it had moved into some other realm where

0:01:55it was or or or maybe it's that at that

0:01:57strange phenomenon where we're

0:01:59half-and-half doesn't spoil because it's

0:02:01like you can only get so spoiled

0:02:03yeah right it just means refrigerated

0:02:05but it becomes something else it go it

0:02:08turns into like it had like a state

0:02:10change state change that's right it

0:02:12becomes a particulate

0:02:13and and so you know what I i made the i

0:02:17made the executive decision as executive

0:02:19level decision to just go with it so I

0:02:23am I still have you know it because I

0:02:26drink my coffee out of a half-liter beer

0:02:28steins i'm sitting here with the with

0:02:31about a quarter of the leader of coffee

0:02:33and and um uh what I can only describe

0:02:36as April's cream and and we're that's

0:02:42that's how I'm starting today

0:02:43boom you just get power through it

0:02:45myself you know it's a little little

0:02:49little saltier it's a little bit you

0:02:51know it's got a little go pow

0:02:53I coffee yeah I shouldn't say this but

0:02:56my coffee apparatus at work at some

0:02:59point i guess the last year so stop

0:03:01working and I was drinking less coffee

0:03:03at work i would have helped bring it in

0:03:05a long story short i have a half and

0:03:09half in my refrigerator that expired in

0:03:11april 2014

0:03:13oh and here's my thought it got to be

0:03:16able scream 2015 but you know what it

0:03:20maybe this is back to like affections

0:03:21for your shirt

0:03:23i I didn't throw the guy out I want to

0:03:25see how long he can stick around as

0:03:27April screams like he's been April

0:03:29scream twice now I mean I don't know

0:03:31it's sort of like putting a relative in

0:03:33a home or something like well you know

0:03:34they're they're kinda stinky not very

0:03:36useful but you know you get affection

0:03:38let me ask you this have you considered

0:03:39the cow or cows that produced April

0:03:43scream where they are now

0:03:45yeah that makes me so sad when I watch a

0:03:47movie and I know the dogs dead you know

0:03:49boo from France Ubu sit he died in

0:03:52nineteen eighty-four really yeah but his

0:03:54legacy continues on the loose it

0:03:56good boy good dog oh man that is rough

0:03:59we got some new coffee technology at the

0:04:01house and I'm a mixed feelings about it

0:04:04uh how so well you know you know our

0:04:08house we have like two plugs in the

0:04:09house because it was built in 1904

0:04:13one-electron city was powered by gas in

0:04:151928 was powered by horses and and so we

0:04:19don't have a lot and we don't have a lot

0:04:20of counter space but my wife in her new

0:04:23job has become so taken with the keurig

0:04:25k-cup system

0:04:27oh it is a system isn't it yeah and I

0:04:30was kind of always just against because

0:04:32it seemed a little fancy to have a

0:04:33single let you know a piece of

0:04:35electronics is that big for doing one

0:04:37thing that takes up that much space but

0:04:39when it got one and takes up a lot of

0:04:41space but it's really good

0:04:43well as he was wrong though it makes a

0:04:46lot of waste like I just don't feel good

0:04:48about it but man it's a great cup of

0:04:50coffee in less than a minute

0:04:51it produces a ton of little used cups

0:04:55yeah but a you know what am I mean

0:04:58coffee problems is that I you know I was

0:05:02made aware several years ago a that

0:05:04coffee mold is not just the the major

0:05:09mold system that arrives on your coffee

0:05:13filter if you don't change it for two

0:05:15weeks

0:05:15mmm coffee mold is something that is

0:05:18that's present in it can be present in

0:05:22your coffee without you knowing about it

0:05:25like if it's like old beans or ground

0:05:28along i ride old beans or be a grind

0:05:31that's been sitting around coffee mold

0:05:32becomes becomes a presence and you're

0:05:38just sort of not you're not conscious of

0:05:41it but talk coffee mold is potentially

0:05:43bad for you could be toxic who knows but

0:05:47I am I'm always fighting a losing losing

0:05:50battle up over coffee mold because i

0:05:54don't i don't have a regular or

0:05:57predictable routine

0:06:00obviously this is reflected in your

0:06:01April scream exactly i mean you know it

0:06:04seems like you would have gone through

0:06:06that is like a half gallon or quart what

0:06:09is it will see what so here's what

0:06:11happens with the cream right there at

0:06:13April's cream sometime in June was

0:06:18determined by some one else who was

0:06:22cycling through my home to be too old

0:06:27because meet different people have

0:06:28different ideas about how old cream

0:06:31should be yeah and if it says expo

0:06:33expiration date jun 1 and it's June

0:06:37fifteenth well

0:06:39up certain slice of the population will

0:06:42go ahead and get another one right that

0:06:44see this is how they get you John this

0:06:46is a used to put expiration dates on

0:06:48things and it was an expiration date and

0:06:50you would say you you gotta eat the

0:06:52salami by december and like that was

0:06:55something we could all understand i

0:06:56think the sell-by date is all about the

0:06:58people who are selling its their

0:06:59convenience to head out on their sell it

0:07:02by right right but I am somebody who is

0:07:05who sees a sell-by date of june one on

0:07:08june fifteenth and I feel like right

0:07:10where right you know we're right in

0:07:11right in the strike zone here

0:07:14yeah but you know I I'm not in one

0:07:18hundred percent control my environment

0:07:20anymore huh

0:07:22so another cream appeared in my

0:07:26refrigerator and and frankly it was a it

0:07:28was a bigger cream and a newer cream and

0:07:32it coincided with the time that I was

0:07:34out of town so when i arrived back in

0:07:37town here's this big new cream

0:07:40look you know April's cream is is back

0:07:43in there somewhere with the you know the

0:07:45half empty container of Greek yogurt and

0:07:47three or four different mustards and and

0:07:51a box of Armand Hammer baking soda

0:07:53that's been there since 2007 and I

0:07:56honestly you know I just reach for the

0:07:58front cream in that case you know like

0:08:01i'm not i'm not so I'm not so like

0:08:04managing my my refrigerator contents

0:08:08that I'm like listen I'm gonna work my

0:08:11way through april screen before i move

0:08:12into this June cream o.o understand I'm

0:08:16just reaching in grabbing the top cream

0:08:18first screen and April scream just got

0:08:22pushed back i think there's probably you

0:08:25know probably a mustard like migrated in

0:08:27front and then it was back to but the

0:08:29thing was I what I do manage my

0:08:30refrigerator well enough to know it was

0:08:32in there

0:08:33uh-huh I knew it was there I just wasn't

0:08:36you know it like kind of like you I

0:08:38wasn't it at any point along the way was

0:08:40I ready to say like you know it's time

0:08:42to go in and and do the humane thing and

0:08:46have April screams go live on a farm

0:08:48and so here's what happened right you

0:08:52know the the main creams of which there

0:08:55have been for probably since then for

0:08:58forefront creams all got cycled through

0:09:01and then one day April scream just

0:09:03popped up

0:09:05I don't know how she did it she just you

0:09:08know there was some kind of refrigerator

0:09:10machination the mustard let their guard

0:09:13down for a second april' scream came to

0:09:15the fore and masqueraded as a new cream

0:09:18huh and now here I am and I don't know

0:09:21what's going to happen if i drink this

0:09:25cream today I don't know you know this

0:09:28is also the top of this is also the

0:09:29beginning a blackberry season here huh

0:09:32and so as you as you probably know

0:09:34blackberries please grow in abundance it

0:09:37precisely in all those areas where the

0:09:40pollution is the highest i didn't know

0:09:42that well it just seems like the only

0:09:43the the places where people let

0:09:45blackberries run riot are right next to

0:09:49the freeway right next to the you know

0:09:51right next to the train switching yard

0:09:54right next to the where they dump the

0:09:56unusable of gas and so you know you're

0:10:03always kind of out there in this out

0:10:04there on this you pull over to the side

0:10:06of the road you're gathering

0:10:06blackberries and you're having a

0:10:08wonderful time but you're conscious that

0:10:10they are covered with if they're all

0:10:11covered with the film

0:10:13uh-huh ok kind of environmental dander

0:10:15mm-hmm

0:10:17so you know I've been scarfing

0:10:19blackberries 2i x by this afternoon i

0:10:23could be in the hospital

0:10:24oh good hey I wasn't gonna say anything

0:10:27but the the tale that you're weaving

0:10:30here involves people scream you've got

0:10:33you've got coffee dander you got the

0:10:34coffee mold that has performance

0:10:35characteristics i don't think we've even

0:10:37begun to identify that's right that's

0:10:38right it could I could see through time

0:10:40if i have enough coffee mold iic now as

0:10:45soon as I hear about a new kind of

0:10:46dancer the first thing I think about is

0:10:47the toxic plasmosis

0:10:49mm ok more was the cat poop thing it's

0:10:52thing that makes people crazy

0:10:53sure you can't you you might remember

0:10:55when there was a child on the way you

0:10:57start reading lots of things that say be

0:10:58careful with the cats because you get

0:11:00toxoplasmosis that's really bad

0:11:01for babies that are in their mommy's

0:11:03tummy yeah we sent the cats to live with

0:11:05Aunt Martha when the baby was coming so

0:11:07you're not you're not above making a

0:11:09hard decision if you know that there's

0:11:11that there's a risk my daughters

0:11:13Mother's cats were the two most awful

0:11:16people I had ever met in my life

0:11:18they were one of them at some point as a

0:11:22young cat had some cognitive disconnect

0:11:26where the cat did not understand what

0:11:29hissing the role that hissing performed

0:11:32in a normal sort of social milia

0:11:36interesting it's a domestic cat it

0:11:39doesn't know all the signals uh either

0:11:41of being a wildcat or being a

0:11:43domesticated cat might have crossed

0:11:44wires

0:11:45yeah right so the cat I feel like enjoy

0:11:48it personally enjoy kissing but hissed

0:11:52at inappropriate times fists at people

0:11:56that knew well pissed at you know like

0:12:00came to you to be petted you pet you pat

0:12:03it you petted it and then it hit you and

0:12:08then it remained there to be petted more

0:12:10so it sounds like half the women I date

0:12:13in college hmm but uh but not only that

0:12:22but the cat had a you know when it's

0:12:24hissing it is it is propelling whiskers

0:12:28breath at you yeah you know so it's just

0:12:31it's hissing right in your face and it's

0:12:32just like the word the inside of this

0:12:34it's like inside of a cat smell yet on

0:12:38this thing that thing's not flossing

0:12:40look

0:12:41yeah so that cat was really bad and then

0:12:43the other cat I think suffered from

0:12:45Kitty malaise all I had a kind of

0:12:49feeling on we did it feel light on

0:12:51what's so sad John and so that cat

0:12:54didn't really care for itself didn't

0:12:57have a very high self esteem it didn't

0:12:59keep itself up and so the combination of

0:13:02these two cats are you know I was just

0:13:04like listen these catch

0:13:06I mean talk about go live on a farm

0:13:07these cats should go live in the sea

0:13:10and how she attached to them

0:13:13well you know people get attached to me

0:13:16that's probably the toxoplasmosis it

0:13:17gets into your brain

0:13:19yeah well I feel like that's absolutely

0:13:21true because there was you know there

0:13:24was just cat garbage in the air but also

0:13:28you know there's a little bit of

0:13:29Stockholm Syndrome happening there where

0:13:32you are held captive by these monsters

0:13:35and then you start to feel sympathetic

0:13:36to them huh yeah he's so nice to me

0:13:39yeah oh no he doesn't mean that he just

0:13:42blah i'm like the only only reason to

0:13:46keep a pet is that that pet is it is a

0:13:49companion and a friend to keep a pet who

0:13:53clearly wants to die is 22 no one favor

0:13:58and so but it turned out that Aunt

0:14:02Martha is a cat lover and was able to

0:14:09take these two cats and give them a

0:14:11happy life where the the the depressed

0:14:15cat started grooming itself again and

0:14:18the hissing cat I think lived on top of

0:14:21the refrigerator and was showered with

0:14:23love and at the end

0:14:25actually it was a it was a story where

0:14:27we're uh it had a happy ending we had a

0:14:32baby that did not suffer from

0:14:33toxoplasmosis and I never had to see

0:14:37those cats again there are numerous

0:14:41according to wikipedia notable cases of

0:14:43celebrities who have contracted

0:14:44toxoplasmosis tell me more gwyneth

0:14:47paltrow please check i don't see it here

0:14:49its sheep when she's right she's right

0:14:51in the sweet spot i would say winter

0:14:53thinking that we have seemed like yeah I

0:14:55I'm just glancing at this quickly I I

0:14:57don't want I don't want to get email

0:14:59about this i have heard it said it is

0:15:01said by some people

0:15:02turns out that this is what causes the

0:15:04big the cat lady thing because you know

0:15:05like there's a certain kind of like

0:15:06super interesting animals that can take

0:15:08over another animal and make you crazy

0:15:09stuff you know how you can get like a

0:15:11zombie and or something like that

0:15:13yeah supposedly the story goes out of

0:15:14this is exactly toxoplasmosis but part

0:15:17of the reason you become like somebody

0:15:19who has a lot of attractive cat dander

0:15:21in the house is that the toxoplasmosis

0:15:23is attacking someone

0:15:24of your brain that says hey it's okay

0:15:25for all this poop to make more

0:15:26toxoplasmosis and then you don't know it

0:15:29wow that's heavy was coming from inside

0:15:31the cat I see now i want to know how

0:15:33often when you say i don't want to get

0:15:35emails about this how often does that

0:15:36work

0:15:37I couldn't go like i can't say i guess

0:15:39uh I guess I want to email him i think

0:15:42people will talk to plasmosis will send

0:15:43a lot of emails i think that's a side

0:15:45effect of it

0:15:46this is super interesting there's 33

0:15:47prominent athletes that have had Arthur

0:15:49Ashe the late great Arthur Ashe had

0:15:51toxoplasmosis

0:15:52hmm he later he later you know he had

0:15:54the AIDS but he developed neurological

0:15:57problems from toxoplasmosis with your

0:15:59arm

0:15:59martina navratilova so it's a tennis

0:16:02player this tennis problem or it might

0:16:03be it might be Sebastian Coe remember

0:16:06the guy who had the had the Union Jack

0:16:07on shorts the right right right you

0:16:10already had it and some other people

0:16:11Prince Francois the count of claremont

0:16:14returns pretender to the throne of

0:16:15France

0:16:16well sure I was just exchanging letters

0:16:18with him the other day his disability

0:16:20caused him to be overlooked in the line

0:16:21of succession it's not a shame

0:16:22wow really are using ensure wasn't

0:16:25simplistic it sounds like it could have

0:16:27been something more severe enjoy your

0:16:29captain's crap but I I feel like that up

0:16:34we had cats growing up when I really and

0:16:39my mom allowed cats

0:16:40well here's the thing we loved cats but

0:16:44we were both allergic to cats and we

0:16:47didn't know because allergy detection

0:16:51technologies and allergy and the you

0:16:55know and the cult of allergy had not yet

0:16:57entered into the American consciousness

0:17:00and so the fact that i had a chronic

0:17:03cough and fatigue my whole childhood was

0:17:10never attributed to anything other than

0:17:12a sickness or I don't know what other

0:17:16playing other cultural reasons to think

0:17:19the children were broken inside

0:17:20yep you didn't need science there to pop

0:17:22it up yeah and so it turned out later

0:17:25that you know i was sleeping with a cat

0:17:27on my chest my entire young life and I

0:17:30was allergic to them so I

0:17:35this so we don't we don't keep them

0:17:37anymore but but you know we were we work

0:17:40at three and we enjoyed cats for some

0:17:43reason I don't know my dad like that my

0:17:45mom liked them cats were sort of always

0:17:50present and i had i have to say i had a

0:17:53couple of great cats will you do pretty

0:17:56recently had a secret cat you have a

0:17:57secret that you didn't talk about it but

0:17:59you had a cat that you loved yeah I

0:18:00didn't like your heart

0:18:01yeah he did he did he got hit by car so

0:18:05and that was that was Louis and then in

0:18:08the pantheon of great cats i have to say

0:18:11Guido was a great cat you know there

0:18:15were some there were some support

0:18:17quality cats in there to my dad thought

0:18:20that my dad thought puppy was a good cat

0:18:22I never really bonded with puppy and

0:18:24then puppy died and dad got puppy too

0:18:26and the puppy to was a pretty good

0:18:29pretty good Mouser oh nice but not a

0:18:33real like not a real good dude but not a

0:18:37very personable guy he had a lot hit he

0:18:39felt like he had a job to do

0:18:41tippy was a good cat flaky was a flaky

0:18:47cat and then all learning so much you

0:18:51know all the way back to mel mel one of

0:18:54the original great cats my mom and my

0:18:57mom and dad talked about a symbol

0:18:59Jacobian Tiffany Michelle their two cats

0:19:03from the sixties they talked about those

0:19:04cats until until my dad passed away it

0:19:07was good still sit around and talk about

0:19:08simple Jacoby and Tiffany Michelle the

0:19:10great names who would ride on the bat

0:19:13they would jump up on the back of my

0:19:14folks borzoi manouschka and ride around

0:19:19and their dog they would follow

0:19:21manouschka around the neighborhood like

0:19:23a like a little pack of elephants but

0:19:26enough listen enough about my family's

0:19:28cat history no cats now we are presently

0:19:31catless I just sent you a link in the in

0:19:35the robot we met a cat weekend before

0:19:39last and I don't think of myself as a

0:19:41cat person i'm not anti cat as much as

0:19:45it might sound like I am but I i under

0:19:47stand that as a not active pet person

0:19:50it's a big step to get an animal and

0:19:52bring it in the house yeah and look at

0:19:55that cat that's midget that is really an

0:19:59extraordinary face

0:20:00yeah it's got a little dirty tone and

0:20:03that is a Persian cat that had just been

0:20:05shaved except for its head and basically

0:20:08i was at these peoples house and I was

0:20:09kind of avoiding my family and I looked

0:20:11out the front window and I saw something

0:20:13that looked like a teacup lion up front

0:20:16it was so tiny and so cute and so weird

0:20:19and so looking like it was near death

0:20:20and i instantly bonded with midget who

0:20:24is you see in the caption i'm referring

0:20:26to here is the world's most interesting

0:20:27cat midget lets you hold her and she

0:20:31licks you because you can't put your

0:20:33tongue back in your mouth and he

0:20:34shouldn't girl electrical from but I I I

0:20:38didn't want to say this in front of my

0:20:39family but like I was like I want this

0:20:42cat likes you ever decide cuz these

0:20:44people had two dogs and three cats and I

0:20:46was like if you ever want to unload this

0:20:47cat you know let's talk

0:20:50yes so there are some potential

0:20:52high-level talks going on about maybe

0:20:55bring midget into our life is pretty old

0:20:57but look at that face

0:20:59it's a great face yeah it's a great face

0:21:01it's a very you know yeah it's over it's

0:21:04a it's over used to describe a creature

0:21:07like that as Muppet like but it is very

0:21:09Muppet like a hundred percent it looks

0:21:13like it's jim henson project

0:21:14yep yep yep it is something that they

0:21:16modeled Muppets after but i know that

0:21:18feeling of seeing a little creature and

0:21:21I want your cat and saying like oh this

0:21:24creature belongs with me because it's

0:21:27pretty cool first knowledge on

0:21:28everything you're describing you kind of

0:21:29want an animal and this exactly the kind

0:21:31of thing somebody who doesn't own pets

0:21:32would say excuse me companion on pets

0:21:34would say is is that is that it's

0:21:37pre-qualified like I know right I know

0:21:39this is a cool cat

0:21:41Yeah right right if you just use driving

0:21:43to trader joes and somebody's a free

0:21:44sign means you don't know what you're in

0:21:45for

0:21:46that's right get pretty idea what you're

0:21:48in for but you know but in this case

0:21:50this is a pre-qualified cool cat that

0:21:52likes to lick you how cute is that

0:21:55well and the the problem with a with

0:21:57cats for me is that

0:21:59you know the the kitten does not denote

0:22:04the cat haha oh oh my goodness if you

0:22:08know what I'm saying I oh I think that's

0:22:11true i think that's true it's a species

0:22:13beyond beyond that species i think

0:22:14that's the thing the kitchen does not

0:22:16denote the cat

0:22:17yeah and so I have seen a lot of cute

0:22:21kittens that became pretty uncute cats

0:22:25and I i would like if I'm going to look

0:22:29at a little face all the time and have

0:22:32that little face look up at me

0:22:34pleadingly one thing its whiskers and

0:22:39that little face greet me every morning

0:22:41I would like to like that face I do not

0:22:44want to face that that that I would not

0:22:49choose and when you choose a kitten

0:22:52you're like oh Babu and then turns into

0:22:56this sort of grotesquerie but it's like

0:23:00no you know what i mean like you you can

0:23:02there's nature and there's nurture let's

0:23:04be honest there's only so much you can

0:23:06do to make it to you know to make a cap

0:23:10that is destined to be a jerk into into

0:23:15a good a good pal you know it only when

0:23:18you get a kid

0:23:19there's a lot of biological stuff going

0:23:21on where you feel a certain you feel

0:23:23compelled to try and move things around

0:23:26your schedule to make sure it doesn't

0:23:27die

0:23:28yes like with a cat i don't i think for

0:23:30some people like that i know i would

0:23:32have to manufacture a lot there are

0:23:35points when I have to manufacture a lot

0:23:37of care not that not only sound uncaring

0:23:39I'm trying to be realistic

0:23:40it's like those idiots to go out and buy

0:23:42an Easter Bunny or a turtle or something

0:23:43have no idea what they're getting into

0:23:45you know what i mean that's that's the

0:23:46trouble ninja turtles have what they

0:23:49have they've got the they've got the

0:23:51well was stuff you get from a bad meat

0:23:54oh good for trichinosis know it's pork i

0:23:58think but you know if the one they get

0:23:59the Salmonella you get someone from a

0:24:01turtle

0:24:01I thought that was from chickens and

0:24:03eggs I could have a pet chicken i would

0:24:04enjoy these people these people also

0:24:06chickens and therefore chickens at the

0:24:08house that they did they sound like

0:24:09chicken owners

0:24:10hi I'm I do not

0:24:14I you know I had a cat after Lewis I

0:24:19tried to replace Luis with another cat

0:24:22and all these cats you know they come to

0:24:25me you know by hook or by crook I don't

0:24:29know it's not like I go to the pound and

0:24:31choose cats but like cats show up and I

0:24:34and a second cat arrived and i think it

0:24:37was that somebody was trying to somebody

0:24:39was trying to make my my pain over Lewis

0:24:42go away

0:24:43ok and so this second cat arrived and

0:24:47the second cat was ok but I think had

0:24:53been weaned too early or incorrectly you

0:24:58know you can be weaned incorrectly I

0:25:00mean people like that all the time just

0:25:02got torn away little too just like clip

0:25:04hey i was using that wait a minute

0:25:08and so this catches didn't you know and

0:25:13and overtime my good friend Eric course

0:25:17and bass player the long winters would

0:25:20come around in the and eric and the cat

0:25:22had a good rapport and then I was going

0:25:25out of town as I care if you want to

0:25:26watch the cat he was like yeah and then

0:25:29I just never went back and got the cat

0:25:31that sounds like that sounds like a nice

0:25:33nice way for that and out

0:25:35yeah and I think Eric and the cat still

0:25:37have a good relationship and and our

0:25:39clothes and and I never have to see the

0:25:42cat and and we had everybody wins

0:25:45but I mean I lived with that cat for for

0:25:48a year maybe

0:25:49Wow with no with a never really feel I

0:25:52mean we were sharing a space together

0:25:54but we were not sharing a place together

0:25:57oh yeah

0:26:03the rotten milk in my coffee is really

0:26:06it's really making me sentimental yeah

0:26:10well I who knows who knows what's

0:26:12causing that I remember a job I had one

0:26:14time hearing on Monday morning I i hear

0:26:17a a man scream down the hallway and we

0:26:21all gathered round because he was the

0:26:22least intelligent people working there

0:26:23and he got himself a fresh cup of coffee

0:26:26with some cream in it but he erroneously

0:26:28grabbed the coffee from friday that was

0:26:33on his desk

0:26:34no fridays coffee yet fridays coffee

0:26:36took a big slug of it and had fried ice

0:26:38cream in it and he was a sad little man

0:26:41oh it's been sitting on the counter the

0:26:42whole time yeah that's not even in the

0:26:44fridge that's bad

0:26:46blue did I ever tell you about the time

0:26:50I left a cup of coffee in the in the

0:26:53garden

0:26:54no I left a cup of coffee in the garden

0:26:56and I came back a couple of days later

0:26:59and a bird had fallen into it and I

0:27:06don't know how or why I don't know why

0:27:10she swallowed a fly but she died in my

0:27:16coffee cup was it wasn't a cup that you

0:27:19liked

0:27:19well i mean i still use the cup good get

0:27:23you later thank you you honor the bird

0:27:25but i had to you know on under the bird

0:27:28honor the bird story like what i did was

0:27:31i I washed out the cup and that was no

0:27:33easy thing I dumped the coffee I dumped

0:27:37the Moldy coffee bird in the yard waste

0:27:44maybe the compost i'm not sure which i'm

0:27:47not sure which been which of Seattle's

0:27:49many bins got the Moldy coffee bird but

0:27:53then I went in I gave it a give the cup

0:27:54of good scrub and then I put it back in

0:27:56rotation and now I swear to you I could

0:27:59not tell you which one it was I could be

0:28:00drinking out of it now

0:28:01yeah that's the dream mhm mhm butBut

0:28:05trying to picture what was happening in

0:28:06a bird's life was like huh look at that

0:28:09I wonder what that is i'm gonna go perch

0:28:12on the edges of that mug

0:28:14yeah and then like birds totally lose

0:28:16our footing how did the bird end up in

0:28:18the I don't know he had a little bit

0:28:21curious right drop down and then

0:28:23couldn't get out

0:28:25yeah whatever I was like a little bird I

0:28:28mean little enough to fall into a beer

0:28:30style you wouldn't want you just say I

0:28:31want to state the obvious but you would

0:28:33not want that to be a crow

0:28:35no it wasn't an eagle to drink got a

0:28:38pretty big cups but uh but not as a

0:28:41brother would fit in a cup but it's you

0:28:44know there are a few there are a few

0:28:45private tragedies that I've had

0:28:48involving things creatures over the

0:28:51years / / palma almost 50 years in may

0:28:56in American life over for me and a few

0:29:00of them have just have always remained

0:29:01private right there just there a few

0:29:02those few times when you come upon a you

0:29:05come upon a noble stag in the forest and

0:29:09you felt him with a handmade bow and

0:29:12arrow

0:29:13you never talk about those things with

0:29:15anyone else no I never got a chance to

0:29:17put his head in your lap no it's just

0:29:19it's just the thing that doesn't come up

0:29:20in conversation and if you're sitting at

0:29:21a party and somebody says have you ever

0:29:23felt this tag you just kind of don't

0:29:25answer

0:29:26look out the window and just sort of

0:29:28it's not a story that you want to tell

0:29:29we've we've had two recently deal with

0:29:32the the state of little things lately

0:29:36and it's hard it's hard

0:29:38my daughter found a a robin's egg and

0:29:41put it back in the nest about a month

0:29:42ago and she's really excited cause it

0:29:44still hasn't hatched

0:29:46haha oh and what she's saying you know

0:29:49she's like she's pretty sure it takes at

0:29:50least a month for an egg to hatch and I

0:29:51was like I you know what do you say we I

0:29:53mean you know you know she's if it was

0:29:56just any any egg in a nest i would say

0:29:59well you know there's probably fucking

0:30:00dead but like she has some ownership

0:30:02some investment in that it's a project

0:30:04she rescued

0:30:05yeah and then the other day we went to

0:30:08the garage to check the mail and there

0:30:10was a mouse in a glue trap struggling

0:30:12row

0:30:14yeah and I mean I i I'm I'm I don't mind

0:30:17seeing my sleep I did when I was a kid

0:30:19but a key and animals struggling in a

0:30:21glue trap to where it has flipped a foot

0:30:23from where the trap had been it was

0:30:25really tiny it was like maybe an inch

0:30:26and a half

0:30:27long and that's no good no not she's

0:30:29probably scarred but it's like what am I

0:30:31going to say it's either that or have a

0:30:32garage full of mice your pic yeah right

0:30:34one things you know things to die mean

0:30:36the thing with the egg I don't know

0:30:38where you guys are on the Santa Claus

0:30:39continuum but I think you just go up

0:30:42there in the night he grabbed that egg

0:30:43you get rid of it that was perfect

0:30:45burden that when she looks for you said

0:30:47like oh the bird has influenced I used

0:30:50to be really good at that I used to be

0:30:51good at like really basic

0:30:52sleight-of-hand to make her think things

0:30:54are magic this the Santa Claus continuum

0:30:56is tough right now because I i don't

0:30:59know i could feel I think we're at that

0:31:00age where at that age where she's

0:31:02probably got some pretty specific

0:31:04concerns

0:31:05it's probably been some dickhead at

0:31:07school that's already spoiled it for her

0:31:09there's always one but uh where do you

0:31:12stand on Santa if you even if you're

0:31:15comfortable saying um you know my i do

0:31:20not have a I don't have any political

0:31:21feelings about Santa and I don't have

0:31:25you know i don't have a stand on the

0:31:30Santa you don't have like a hum a

0:31:33moralistic stake in the ground about the

0:31:34consequences of Santa right like some

0:31:37people have very strong feelings about

0:31:38say they do they do and I don't you know

0:31:40i'm not i'm not here saying like I will

0:31:42never lie to my child I used to think

0:31:45that and if you say Santa is real then

0:31:48you're just setting them up for a

0:31:49lifetime of not trusting people like I

0:31:52understand that logic heading causing a

0:31:54child to be born does that even better

0:31:56exactly but like I don't have that stand

0:31:59but nor am I sitting on my like like my

0:32:04my gilded tortoise or my magic footstool

0:32:07and saying the magic of Santa and

0:32:11Christmas something that I wouldn't deny

0:32:12my child and I didn't you know that lab

0:32:15lab lab like yeah I guess the magic of

0:32:17Christmas sure

0:32:20thus far Santa to her is just one in a

0:32:28one-of-a palapa liave bearded men who

0:32:32wear all red because her father is one

0:32:36of those two you know like Slater jolly

0:32:38bearded guys in

0:32:40funny hats who i'm not even sure she

0:32:43maybe she has made entirely made the

0:32:45connection that Santa brings presents

0:32:49she said she doesn't talk about

0:32:51Christmas I mean honestly the other day

0:32:54she was walking around the house with a

0:32:55little Christmas present in her hand and

0:32:58by little I mean a size of a matchbox

0:32:59and I said where did you find that and

0:33:05she said it was over there on the dining

0:33:09room table with the Christmas

0:33:11decorations and I looked and on my

0:33:15dining room table there is still a an

0:33:18advent calendar a crash and a stuffed

0:33:22Santa Claus that apparently had a couple

0:33:25of small presence at his feet

0:33:27that's been there since Christmas it's

0:33:30been there the whole time and I just

0:33:32stopped seeing it with my eyes though

0:33:34because i had other things going on

0:33:39uh-huh and I was like hmm i'm not sure

0:33:42what I mean I'm pretty sure that that

0:33:46doesn't say amazing things about me as a

0:33:51as like a is like a at idea or a person

0:33:57who is living a particularly organized

0:33:59life and then I went over to the

0:34:00fireplace to make sure that the

0:34:01stockings were still hanging and they

0:34:03weren't but she found a present a

0:34:07Christmas present and was carrying it

0:34:09around and and and then she like

0:34:12attached it to a fork somehow and was

0:34:15calling it a piece of cake

0:34:16so she was off on her own thing but but

0:34:21I had I had a real moment of pause

0:34:22realizing that I've been looking at an

0:34:24advent calendar for six months and had

0:34:28just and it had just turned into another

0:34:30piece of another sort of little piece of

0:34:34flotsam I mean it's not a small thing

0:34:37it's nothing big

0:34:38now I know but like you get me thinking

0:34:40I just who will be so convenient if we

0:34:44could choose and fully understand our

0:34:47own forms of madness but then I guess

0:34:49that would be madness part part part of

0:34:50what makes it madness is we either don't

0:34:52know about it or don't understand

0:34:54and it was the madness that we think we

0:34:56know about are comfortable with and

0:34:57that's crazy enough but then the other

0:34:59stuff we were like hmm i wonder if I'm

0:35:01out of my mind

0:35:02mm and I I think that sometimes we're

0:35:05all and then look for some reason have

0:35:06you ever seen a movie called Synecdoche

0:35:07New York yes which I find a very

0:35:10effective movie but I talked about this

0:35:13and another show but like that movie had

0:35:15a huge impact on me because I realize

0:35:17like how much of what

0:35:18kayden it goes through in that movie I

0:35:21felt feels like something that I thought

0:35:23was peculiar to me of like suddenly

0:35:25going oh no that actually happened 10

0:35:27years ago and you're not exactly crazy

0:35:29don't exactly think that it's whatever

0:35:311996 now or something but you could

0:35:33easily go like I'm in my case like we

0:35:36are little diner down the street that

0:35:37you've been to they give out a little

0:35:39stick-on calendar

0:35:41you know those little calendars with a

0:35:42little tear off calendar yeah and i have

0:35:44one of those over my my clothing

0:35:46dressing area from 2012 and it didn't

0:35:50occur to me that like not only had I not

0:35:53taking this down since july two thousand

0:35:55twelve but I hadn't bothered to rip it

0:35:56off since something like August 2012

0:35:58mhm and just kept sitting there and then

0:36:00that started dogging me like what why

0:36:02why is this here why did I why am i not

0:36:04changing this why am i why is this still

0:36:06here and why has it not bothered me

0:36:08until three years later

0:36:10why did you notice it three years later

0:36:12I mean if I i have to say like if that

0:36:15little Christmas present hadn't gotten

0:36:16repurposed as a piece of cake

0:36:18yeah I'm not sure whether I would have

0:36:20noticed these Christmas decorations

0:36:21until it was time to decorate for

0:36:23Christmas and I was like oh look look we

0:36:27already have a little still life here

0:36:28that's been here the entire time you got

0:36:31a little nativity just sitting there huh

0:36:33yeah Don crash my wife cause a crash

0:36:35yeah I mean it's not I mean know what

0:36:39what what what Christmas decorations are

0:36:42to me I guess is like another it's

0:36:46another couple of bins of sentimental

0:36:49sentimental jetsam stuff that I've

0:36:53looked at my whole life that I go like I

0:36:55remember when that advent calendar

0:36:58really mattered to me and every day I

0:37:02couldn't wait to open another little

0:37:04door

0:37:04uh-huh in the in the

0:37:06endless march to christmas i was like

0:37:10the longest month ever just like oh it

0:37:13is the 14th are you kidding me come on

0:37:15and you open the little door and there's

0:37:17a little you know and it's a advent

0:37:19calendar from Germany that was made in

0:37:221954 and so there's a little boy and

0:37:25later hosen behind the door and he's you

0:37:28know and he's holding up sugar plum you

0:37:31go

0:37:32I don't know what any of these I don't

0:37:33know what any of this imagery means and

0:37:35I don't know why germany in the fifties

0:37:38so completely colonized my childhood

0:37:42Christmas right like I knew the lyrics

0:37:45to o Tannenbaum and never understood

0:37:48never it made the connection that that

0:37:51was the same song as o Christmas tree

0:37:52alright same school why did the Germans

0:37:55have such a lock on on on Christmas

0:37:58particularly post-war Germany where

0:38:01would you know made in west germany

0:38:02that's what that says Christmas to me

0:38:04made in west germany feels more

0:38:06authentic it very much does right to

0:38:09feel the old country so i don't know

0:38:13so but but in in terms of like Santa and

0:38:16the tree and the and the business and

0:38:19whether or not whether or not we say

0:38:21like Santa's coming down the chimney so

0:38:24get in your room like I I honestly have

0:38:27not picked aside and I feel like I feel

0:38:31like not picking aside um my daughter is

0:38:34already knows that I am pretty

0:38:37half-hearted about most American

0:38:42traditions most you know like just most

0:38:45sort of like holidays like a big

0:38:47celebrator of holidays not at all

0:38:49yeah I feel bad about on the same way so

0:38:51it's like here comes easter boy we had

0:38:54some eggs you don't feel compelled like

0:38:56we just had what we had the fourth of

0:38:57July before that we had excuse me

0:38:59Independence Day couple months ago we

0:39:01had memorial day you know November

0:39:03veterans day and it's like I i don't i

0:39:06don't feel compelled to explain those

0:39:08distinctions and why they're special

0:39:10it's really mostly a day off and I feel

0:39:12bad about that

0:39:13well yeah and I mean it's a good way to

0:39:16mark your your your progress

0:39:19a year so it's already the fourth of

0:39:23July well let's go

0:39:25hey but I'm you know wow

0:39:29when when when that when we were before

0:39:33before the baby was born all the

0:39:36conversations that we had with

0:39:37pediatricians and with with the all the

0:39:40books that we read about how to raise a

0:39:42baby you know he you know there's a baby

0:39:45on the way and so everybody runs to the

0:39:46library and gets all the how to raise a

0:39:48baby books you study them and they're

0:39:51all contradictory and and none of them

0:39:53make sense really and and some of them

0:39:58make it seem like this is a matter of

0:40:01desperate importance and some of them

0:40:03make it seem like oh it'll be fine but

0:40:07they all they all kind of agreed and

0:40:09people lectured me a lot about routine

0:40:11children love routine they want they

0:40:14want routine they want the same things

0:40:16at the same time and that gives them

0:40:17that gives them a feeling of safety and

0:40:20it you know it makes them feel secure

0:40:21and that is kind of the nurturing life

0:40:24that they need to grow up to be

0:40:27productive and healthy members of the

0:40:31banking community and i remember reading

0:40:36those books and talking to those

0:40:37pediatricians and saying I do not have

0:40:39any kind of routine or any capability of

0:40:42maintaining a routine so i have two

0:40:47choices i can either accept your framing

0:40:51in which case I'm i already fear for my

0:40:56unborn child's future

0:40:59almost almost seems not to put too fine

0:41:01a point on it almost seems doomed doomed

0:41:03right side it's something you've if it's

0:41:05something that you've got to learn from

0:41:06scratch it's gonna be pretty tough to do

0:41:08on a day-to-day basis

0:41:09yeah right i have never I mean some

0:41:12weeks i make coffee every morning some

0:41:14weeks the coffee mold takes over the

0:41:17entire like northeast corner of the

0:41:19house and and I don't have a it's

0:41:23inexplicable to me why that's true and

0:41:26you know i have tried to take vitamins

0:41:29and I have made it

0:41:3110 days before I just stopped taking

0:41:35vitamins i just stopped remembering them

0:41:38i did the seven-minute workout for about

0:41:42I would I would go as far as to say 14

0:41:44days I did the seven-minute workout

0:41:46before one day I didn't and that was it

0:41:49and that was the end didn't just bounce

0:41:51back the next day I just was just like

0:41:53oh oh I missed a day

0:41:55let's get back on the train like I have

0:41:57never successfully gotten back on the

0:41:59train I get off the train

0:42:01often in the woods and then I'm

0:42:04bushwhackin again and that's my natural

0:42:06state so it what I chose to do was

0:42:09refused to accept the idea that a child

0:42:14without a child will refuse to accept

0:42:17the idea that a child needs routine and

0:42:21instead like found maybe it like a

0:42:24different a different layer of routine

0:42:31yeah i mean like that's like I see her

0:42:33every day like that is our routine it's

0:42:36you know that I'm sorry I don't mean to

0:42:37be going off here but like first of all

0:42:40there's a lot of great stuff in books

0:42:42there's a lot of great advice that

0:42:42exists in the world

0:42:44the trouble is that the advice that you

0:42:45get from people who are professionals

0:42:48and people who are professionals

0:42:49i think is mostly advice that is

0:42:51tendered to make you think better of

0:42:53them and to make them feel good about

0:42:55the decisions they've made whether or

0:42:57not they're particularly great but

0:42:58whatever version they tell you of their

0:43:00life which is usually put down the most

0:43:01strict possible way like it's always

0:43:03going to be this way and that's how I've

0:43:05had such success like that's the and

0:43:08then you get books and the thing is for

0:43:09a book to be a book it has to have a big

0:43:12point and then driving home all the time

0:43:13and say there's going to be a

0:43:15catastrophe if you don't do it this way

0:43:16all the time which which is very

0:43:19unrealistic and cause you just want to

0:43:21go and read more books you know if

0:43:23you're susceptible that kind of thing so

0:43:24I mean I don't have a super strong

0:43:26position on like how that shakes out to

0:43:28success or not but i dunno i feel that

0:43:30pressure of like you know any of these

0:43:32dumb books that have you know as a

0:43:34branding or marketing point have this

0:43:36here's the one big thing that you need

0:43:37to know in your case like it's like talk

0:43:39so Kat plasmosis

0:43:41yeah but in self-help books how's that

0:43:45you have a plant the little uh they

0:43:47plant a little seed they kept a little

0:43:50seed wear something more books

0:43:51yeah and like I don't know maybe I'm

0:43:53just as dumb as i seem but like I think

0:43:57I think there's a distinction to be made

0:43:59to was the phrase you used than a

0:44:02hammock banana mhm

0:44:04well there's a difference between like

0:44:07was aboard you use it to describe what

0:44:08you're never gonna have a routine

0:44:10routine like I think there's a diff

0:44:13there can be important differences

0:44:14between a routine and between

0:44:17consistency

0:44:19okay i think because here's the problem

0:44:22and I think this gets to something that

0:44:24people don't like talking about which is

0:44:25that people like to think that if they

0:44:28buy into a system and then do it doggy

0:44:31Glee I eat everything will probably turn

0:44:33out fine and even if it doesn't there's

0:44:35probably a reason that can be fixed

0:44:37because i want to do is go back to the

0:44:38book and read it and like I think what

0:44:40they're avoiding is the fact that you're

0:44:41kind of a little fucked all the time

0:44:42when you're a parent you're always

0:44:44behind you're always you're always not

0:44:46doing as much as you could and there is

0:44:48a very natural inclination to feel like

0:44:49wow I'm really not well suited for this

0:44:52and so you know do you believe that or

0:44:55not but like I think the the angle to

0:44:57add to that that's important is that

0:44:58when you think about routine vs

0:44:59consistency like okay if you got a

0:45:01routine that you're constantly stressing

0:45:03over and that you're making your child

0:45:05feel like where everything is a constant

0:45:07potential catastrophe because you're not

0:45:08at the bus at 90 5am like I my concern

0:45:12there is that if you can do that routine

0:45:14and be consistent and everybody's pretty

0:45:16content with that routine that's a good

0:45:18thing i think the problem is if you try

0:45:20to instill something in your kid that

0:45:22you don't basically have in yourself

0:45:24you're setting up a lot of potential a

0:45:26lot of potential disasters

0:45:28whereas if you're consistent like here's

0:45:30what you can consistently expect out of

0:45:31me

0:45:32interactive attitude and comportment and

0:45:34how things importantly how things good

0:45:36how I how I am when things don't go well

0:45:38like that's what I want to get good at

0:45:40what i want to get good at is being like

0:45:41the person who handles that stuff in

0:45:43stride well one right before right

0:45:47before she was born

0:45:48we decided that that we needed a wagon a

0:45:55uh-uh

0:45:56a car automotive wagon yeah because you

0:45:59got to carry the you know inner tubes

0:46:01and stuff or whatever it is that you do

0:46:02when you're a parent and so we drove

0:46:04over to mercer island which is the kind

0:46:05of upscale neighborhood because somebody

0:46:07was selling a passat wagon and we

0:46:11arrived at the house which was a nice

0:46:12sort of house out in the woods of mercer

0:46:15island and there was a family their mom

0:46:19and dad yo you know our age and they had

0:46:22to toddler age kids 1412 I think and a

0:46:28brand-new baby that was like one day old

0:46:32and they were selling their prasad

0:46:35because with the arrival of the third

0:46:38kid they now had you gonna upgrade

0:46:40yeah they now we're at suburban level of

0:46:42a of card need and so they were getting

0:46:47ready to get rid of the little car which

0:46:49was going to be the big car for our

0:46:52little family of one baby on the way and

0:46:57so we were sitting around and we like to

0:46:59the mother very much we're chatting and

0:47:00like the dad and the kids are running

0:47:02around and and the and we were

0:47:06fascinated by this one day old baby like

0:47:09wow look at this because we were buying

0:47:11this car just a couple of days before

0:47:13our daughter was do it was like that's a

0:47:16brand new baby like our babies are about

0:47:18the same age they're gonna be the same

0:47:20age when this but our baby is born and

0:47:22wow look at it's right there and the

0:47:25baby was crying and fussing and we were

0:47:27like so are you know is it up all night

0:47:29or what's the story and the mother very

0:47:31confidently said well you know this

0:47:34weekend and and you know I took next

0:47:37week off from work so for the next week

0:47:40or so yeah we're going to be like up in

0:47:42the middle of the night and stuff but

0:47:43then the baby's gonna have to get on our

0:47:45schedule and we were both like woe and

0:47:50she just said it like so like yep and

0:47:53then the baby's gonna have to you know

0:47:54babes going to figure it out and it

0:47:57absolutely blew our minds we do you

0:47:59think it was realistic

0:48:01oh I mean she had two kids yeah she was

0:48:03always something and she had people over

0:48:05by a car that day after she had a kid

0:48:07yeah right i'm daniel that's the part

0:48:08that's really telling and she was run

0:48:10the show and I was just like this idea

0:48:13that a one week old baby is going to get

0:48:16on your schedule and you're not going to

0:48:18be a slave to it it's not going to wake

0:48:21you up in the middle of the night you're

0:48:22gonna wake it up in the middle of the

0:48:24night it was like profound you know and

0:48:28incompetent in contrast like the only

0:48:31thing my daughter knows for sure is that

0:48:34the first day of seventh grade we are

0:48:38driving to mexico in a stolen Jeep like

0:48:43that's the only thing that's the only

0:48:44thing on horizon the cheek account and

0:48:49you know and and and so far she seems

0:48:52you know she seems fine with it i'm not

0:48:54sure if she believed she will ever

0:48:55believe in Santa Claus or the Easter

0:48:56Bunny or even know what those things are

0:48:58important because she still hasn't seen

0:49:03a movie we watched a couple at at your

0:49:07recommendation and Hodgins

0:49:08recommendation we sat down and watched a

0:49:10couple of adventure times she's a little

0:49:13young for adventure time she is yeah and

0:49:15but i'm not i was wrong but really I was

0:49:19like oh my god I'm so happy

0:49:21what is going on in this mushroom trip

0:49:23of a cartoon is kind of know what you

0:49:24expect right

0:49:25no i really i really enjoyed it and I

0:49:27looked forward to the time when she was

0:49:29eight years old and wants to Delft back

0:49:31into adventure time and you know and and

0:49:35go through that world or whatever you

0:49:37were you watching it and if i'm

0:49:39understanding you're watching it too

0:49:40kind of like check it out to see if it

0:49:41might be something that your shower

0:49:43yeah i mean almost everything that she

0:49:46has ever seen on a screen has has sort

0:49:49of come about as a result of either

0:49:51going over to a friend's house where the

0:49:53friend is watching frozen for the 40th

0:49:56time and Marlowe will kind of sit next

0:49:59to her friend for a while and watch some

0:50:02portion of frozen but she gets you know

0:50:05she her attention can't stay on it you

0:50:09know like it will come to a song and

0:50:11then Marlo you shall want to get up and

0:50:13sing however or i will say I'm depriving

0:50:17my child of this rich culture our

0:50:23which it encyclopedia of video culture

0:50:26and and I'll and I'll start to feel bad

0:50:29and i'll say i need to show her some

0:50:31things on the on TV because there's so

0:50:38much wonderful stuff on TV and so you

0:50:43know that's how i introduced to mr

0:50:44Rogers and she likes mr. Rogers nice we

0:50:48watch some some like British children's

0:50:51television programs from the seventies

0:50:53just because we like hearing them talk

0:50:56usually they involve like like the main

0:51:00characters of a man made out of a button

0:51:02and up and a soup can because those were

0:51:06those were hard times in England and

0:51:09production values were very low so

0:51:12button moon is one which is is really

0:51:16like it's an amazing show i highly

0:51:18recommend it's just there's a narrators

0:51:20like here comes mr. spoon

0:51:23he's wearing a hat and it's a spoon with

0:51:26a with a like a UH played on its head

0:51:28was right there on the 10 and you're

0:51:30like wow I like that little while this

0:51:33show really i mean yes you they don't

0:51:36even bother concealing the fact that

0:51:38they are controlling all the characters

0:51:40with like popsicle sticks but then i'll

0:51:43say like let's try adventure time let's

0:51:45try powerpuff girls let's try we watched

0:51:48a Mary Poppins and in general she just

0:51:55um you know I told you we watch dumbo it

0:51:58was it traumatized us both

0:52:00yeah but in general it's not it's it's

0:52:03not a because i don't i don't have a lot

0:52:08of time watching stuff it's not it's not

0:52:13part of her culture either great she

0:52:15does like the ones that feeds into that

0:52:16kind of the consistency thing

0:52:18yeah right she we have decided that

0:52:20watching tap dancing videos is one of

0:52:22the things that we both enjoy and the

0:52:24other day we were what we're watching

0:52:26tap dancing videos and we came upon one

0:52:28where

0:52:29some tap guys and some Riverdance guys

0:52:33well we're having a tap off and boy I i

0:52:40think i could watch it again right now I

0:52:42love me a little river dance video who

0:52:44it was it was tapped guys and Riverdance

0:52:46guys and the tap guys had a at a man

0:52:49with a fedora and a saxophone and the

0:52:51Riverdance guys had a redditor haired

0:52:53girl with a violin and so they were like

0:52:56trading licks and treatment aplex I

0:53:00think everybody agreed that one of the

0:53:02american-style tap-dance guys was like a

0:53:07pretty tough to beat

0:53:08but the head Riverdance guy i don't know

0:53:10he had some of the agents grants guy i

0:53:14don't think so i think these were you

0:53:16know these were younger Riverdance guys

0:53:17huh was he knows young guy young guys

0:53:20giving each other a little bit of the

0:53:21old razzmatazz booze but uh but yes you

0:53:27can be good for things like that

0:53:28oh I mean you just tap dance videos mind

0:53:31watching watching for a thousand years

0:53:32get a little bit of Shirley Temple you

0:53:34get a little bit of a get a little bit

0:53:37of like a the cast from Fame you know

0:53:42get a slight a real slice of American

0:53:44history huh sounds like she's this is

0:53:47something she doesn't feel like she's

0:53:48missing anything

0:53:49oh no I mean I was always worried that

0:53:52that that she was going to come to me

0:53:54one day and just be like videos

0:53:58what have you been doing why have you

0:54:00been depriving me of these magical

0:54:02things and so the first few times I

0:54:04showed her videos

0:54:06I you know I was watching very carefully

0:54:08we're looking at our eyes to see if

0:54:10there was some and I mean obviously she

0:54:13was delighted by the moving pictures but

0:54:17there was there was there wasn't any

0:54:21moment where we're uh some switch was

0:54:26flipped wear this with thistle

0:54:30incredible world of a video production

0:54:36was you know did she never wanted to

0:54:39dive in it was always another

0:54:42in the course of a day like oh and then

0:54:44we'll watch that for 15 minutes and then

0:54:46we'll go you know and then we'll go pull

0:54:51of pedals off a flower whatever

0:54:53ok so so yeah I know but it still may

0:54:57happen you know she maybe she maybe

0:55:00seven years old before she decides if

0:55:02you know what it's probably going to be

0:55:03virtual reality

0:55:05well that's an interesting point she's

0:55:07gonna put a VR headset on and she be

0:55:08like wait a minute

0:55:09nooope I don't have to stand around this

0:55:12stupid world anymore i can go into this

0:55:14other world our friend adjuster kisa on

0:55:17the show we do has said in the past and

0:55:19stuff that makes me think that he's more

0:55:20in the nature versus nurture camp which

0:55:23I would never have thought myself to be

0:55:24in the camp of but the more i think

0:55:25about it the more I see evidence that

0:55:28that can tend to be true

0:55:30once you start looking for it put

0:55:31differently it's not so surprising that

0:55:34something that you both of the parents

0:55:37are really into become something the

0:55:39kids are really into em conversely so

0:55:43not just because the fortune star wars

0:55:44down their throat but conversely

0:55:46something that the parents just are not

0:55:47into for any variety of reasons could

0:55:50easily be something the kid is not that

0:55:52into so you're suggesting a based on my

0:55:56daughters Mother's proclivities that my

0:55:58daughter will spend many hours a day

0:56:00looking at bed bath and beyond catalogs

0:56:01for the rest of your life

0:56:03I look over my wife sometimes at night

0:56:06and see on the ipad she's like looking

0:56:08at a catalog sites

0:56:09my daughter loves catalogs yeah catalogs

0:56:11catalogs and like I mean youyou peer

0:56:15over someone's shoulder and you think

0:56:16like oh boy I'm gonna catch him catch

0:56:19him looking at something on the internet

0:56:20who's Tom and it is it's just like

0:56:24discount per sites

0:56:26yeah it's like wow I mean I you know I

0:56:29have a luggage fetish myself

0:56:31yep yep and if you look over my shoulder

0:56:33you will catch me on some discount per

0:56:35site so I'm not I'm not casting

0:56:38aspersions and well in that case i mean

0:56:40i think that the point there's the thing

0:56:43that I feel like I think my wife would

0:56:44agree that we post struggle with this a

0:56:45little bit is we talk about things like

0:56:47the screen time thing is that we both

0:56:48really liked looking at ipads we both

0:56:51really like you know watching top chef

0:56:53at night or something like that and so

0:56:56and so you know like in the case of like

0:56:58last night we had a marathon gilmore

0:57:00girls night we don't like to get more

0:57:01girls which is a great show and we

0:57:03finished off season one we started

0:57:05season to my wife and I've seen all of

0:57:07them least the first six seasons three

0:57:09times so and my daughter loves it now

0:57:11she sings along on the song so amy is it

0:57:13surprising that like it's something we

0:57:15all enjoy doing and what you do it but

0:57:17then there's a long winter song and a

0:57:19couple of Gilmore Girls episode 0

0:57:20remember which which song

0:57:23no yeah be on the internet you on the OC

0:57:26to write a couple of times that's Chris

0:57:28supercool Maggie cause I respond respond

0:57:32to one of my to the other day that was

0:57:33kind of weird

0:57:33he's a nice man he seems like a very

0:57:35nice man yeah the times that you've

0:57:37introduced me to him he seems like a

0:57:38look at basically nice fellow

0:57:39yes so that's not surprising but then

0:57:43then now you're up against it because

0:57:45now

0:57:46yes we can have exactly one more gilmore

0:57:49girls and then we've already had a bath

0:57:50without dinner so it's definitely

0:57:51bedtime everyone will do you 20 minutes

0:57:53of reading we read you your 20 minutes

0:57:55like that's the thing we do

0:57:56yep and then and that's it but there's

0:57:59never been a time when the credits came

0:58:01up on anything that she was happy

0:58:02mm-hmm shot guess guess who else was

0:58:05exactly like that ma ma ma I want just

0:58:11one more just one more car to one more

0:58:13music video one more or but like who's

0:58:17to blame because we like that too

0:58:19yeah you know i'm just being straight-up

0:58:21I mean yeah but like I that's that's the

0:58:24thing

0:58:24so you know you might not have such a

0:58:26hard time getting her into the stolen

0:58:28Jeep in in seventh grade will wash out

0:58:34I you know I not to not to not to say

0:58:38that some version of this on every

0:58:40podcast but i was thinking about it the

0:58:41other day in the context of the campaign

0:58:45that I'm running that I you know I was

0:58:48asking around like did we have iphones

0:58:49for years ago we did what did they say i

0:58:54think a lot of people said said yes that

0:58:56they did I think I had 14 years ago yeah

0:58:58I think about you but definitely not

0:59:00eight years ago the iphone came out uh i

0:59:04think it was eight years ago came out

0:59:06eight years ago in

0:59:07june was with the streets right and so

0:59:10but you know but there was a pretty

0:59:12weird thing that the true believers

0:59:13bought but I think it got big like a

0:59:16year or two after that

0:59:17yeah and buried the 3g is the one where

0:59:19everybody went whoa i need one of these

0:59:20and i think my first one was a 3gs I

0:59:23think that's nice phone that was a good

0:59:25phone and said I mean that's that was a

0:59:26strong phone there was a strong phone

0:59:28and if i had never upgraded the

0:59:29operating system i would still be using

0:59:31it today st. sister but uh I realized

0:59:35that you know i already had screentime

0:59:38problems in the sense that i am I

0:59:42continue to be astonished at how much I

0:59:44how big a part of my life Twitter still

0:59:47is I don't understand it it was we never

0:59:52stop surprising you

0:59:53yeah we predict we predicted for years

0:59:55ago that it that that was over and it's

0:59:57not i still am I still look at all

0:59:57not i still am I still look at all

1:00:00time I look at my phone all the time but

1:00:02you know i'm running a political

1:00:04campaign and these are some of the first

1:00:08political campaigns that people have

1:00:09ever run where they were campaigning 24

1:00:12hours a day because their phone is right

1:00:15there and not there's no it's there's no

1:00:18time at which somebody can't either to

1:00:24something political at me or that I be

1:00:27asked to respond to an email or an issue

1:00:31its with me all the time and I think

1:00:34back to what it must have been like to

1:00:36run a campaign even 10 years ago when

1:00:40you had to go sit down at your desk and

1:00:43turn on your computer to read your

1:00:44emails let alone 20 years ago when you

1:00:50picked up the newspaper in the morning

1:00:51and read the headlines and then sat down

1:00:54at a phone and dialed people or you know

1:00:57waited for the phone to ring and what

1:01:01what that would have been like was that

1:01:04if the phone wasn't ringing and your

1:01:06name wasn't in the newspaper and you

1:01:07weren't out actively campaigning then

1:01:09you were off you know where you were

1:01:11sitting at a typewriter or something you

1:01:13you had some mental freedom from the

1:01:18process and what what has been

1:01:22characterizing my last three months is

1:01:23that is total involvement 24-hour day

1:01:26involvement in this thing that I'm doing

1:01:28which is which has taken every last

1:01:31shred of time always on call

1:01:34like you almost like it just there's

1:01:36never a time that you're probably

1:01:37comfortable not picking up the phone to

1:01:39see what that was right well I'm you

1:01:42know last night in the middle of the

1:01:43night somebody from some washington

1:01:46state bicycle advocacy group found a

1:01:50video of me very early on in the

1:01:53campaign when somebody at a forum asked

1:01:56a question where do you stand on bicycle

1:01:58license plates and i said and i honestly

1:02:04pictured myself on my schwinn stingray

1:02:06with a little license plate that said

1:02:10John

1:02:11Washington that was held onto the back

1:02:14of my bicycle with to twist times the

1:02:17depth of your analysis for this ad hoc

1:02:19I'm just thinking this in my head and I

1:02:21was like I support bicycle licenses and

1:02:24I look around and every other candidate

1:02:26on the on the forum is holding up a sign

1:02:29that says no and I'm like why not why

1:02:33wouldn't you put license plates are

1:02:34bicycles and the room is like boom and I

1:02:39realized very quickly I look out in the

1:02:41room and a couple of my supporters are

1:02:42like shaking their heads vigorously back

1:02:44and forth i realized that it is some

1:02:47kind of test that people that hate bikes

1:02:51and I don't even I can't even believe

1:02:54that there are people that hate bikes

1:02:56but they feel like bikes are a problem

1:02:58they want to know so that dog whistles

1:03:01for both sides

1:03:02yeah the way where you come out on this

1:03:03is I get it so that that's a pretty

1:03:07simple question to answer you don't feel

1:03:09yourself you know it's a trap like

1:03:10you're walking into this thing where

1:03:12like if how you answer that is going to

1:03:14have a big impact on how two groups look

1:03:16at you yeah right like oh if he wants

1:03:18bicycle license plates then he hates

1:03:20bicycles and it's like really I it

1:03:25wasn't it was a new idea to me that

1:03:26anybody hated bicycles but so somebody

1:03:30some like Washington bicycle club

1:03:34advocate in the middle of the night last

1:03:36night finds the video somewhere and you

1:03:42know caps it and start treating me

1:03:45really John Roderick do you really think

1:03:48that bicycles are the you know and I was

1:03:51just like yeah well i was just on

1:03:53Twitter just just reading some reading

1:03:56some eugene mirman tweets and now i'm

1:03:59like in a fist fight with somebody who

1:04:02is mad at me about something that I you

1:04:06know and I wrote immediately I was like

1:04:07I got that totally wrong I didn't know

1:04:09what that meant right it's it to quote

1:04:11John Lennon and now it's all this I

1:04:13didn't yeah I don't like the way we made

1:04:15this time is dumb remark about Jesus

1:04:17that was not really meant to say that we

1:04:19are better than jesus i made this remark

1:04:21and now it's all this

1:04:22yeah yeah and now it's all this

1:04:24and so then the but you know when

1:04:26somebody says like I was wrong when I

1:04:29said that um there's nothing you can do

1:04:34except like oh okay I get it

1:04:37and now i'm gonna send you 15 lecturing

1:04:40tweets about what you you know about

1:04:44what you should have known right and

1:04:45it's like I i understand i have educated

1:04:49myself sense then I you know I mean that

1:04:52has happened a lot in the i have said a

1:04:55lot of things on this podcast where I

1:04:56got a lot of pushback from our listeners

1:04:59and fans and then went and educated

1:05:01myself holy god I mean I can't even tell

1:05:03you how many times that's happened

1:05:05yeah and I I said little but the thing

1:05:06is here here's the part that did that

1:05:08people miss apprehend understandably is

1:05:11I didn't say I didn't say something dumb

1:05:13because I was trying to be offensive

1:05:15I said something dumb because i was

1:05:16being dumb right and like I can grow but

1:05:19now you have to go in public where like

1:05:21if you don't respond to that person it

1:05:22seems dismissive and if you do respond

1:05:24to that person you can arguing on the

1:05:25internet and you're just you're leaving

1:05:27this huge trail of 22 where we can go

1:05:29watch on servicing sensitive about this

1:05:30page yeah yeah and and then I mean I'm

1:05:34I'm very comfortable with the amount i

1:05:37have learned and the amount i've had had

1:05:40to grow up and and the role that

1:05:43pushback from our from our listeners and

1:05:46and super fans has has contributed to

1:05:49that but there's always going to be

1:05:52something that you can pull out

1:05:55I mean you know there's always gonna be

1:05:56something somebody can pull out from

1:05:57this podcast and say can these guys

1:05:59really can you really believe these guys

1:06:01and you know what a what can we do you

1:06:05know so it's a we were do we do it we do

1:06:09we do now it's all that now it's all

1:06:11this and it's like I you know and just

1:06:13just as I mean it kinda can't have one

1:06:16without the other way you can I want the

1:06:17other but any one of the rare ways in

1:06:20which i am becoming slightly more

1:06:21healthy as a person i think is that I it

1:06:25may not always show but i find myself

1:06:27much more forgiving of stuff stupid

1:06:31stuff I see happen

1:06:33how to remove yep really know like look

1:06:35stupid shit happens people do stupid

1:06:36stuff i mean it

1:06:37whatever I get why people pylon Donald

1:06:40Trump because he is a farcical character

1:06:42who clearly takes a certain amount of

1:06:44relish and I'm gonna use a word i almost

1:06:46never use people use it wrong people say

1:06:48trolling all the time when they mean

1:06:50teasing or baiting he's trolling people

1:06:52he's deliberately trying to say

1:06:54something extremely controversial

1:06:55because the more people talk about him

1:06:57the more real he seems so I mean it's

1:06:59setting setting that aside I mean it's

1:07:02just the I guess I feel like I I don't

1:07:05know it's too late to say this it's too

1:07:07late but like I i feel i feel pretty bad

1:07:11about a lot of dumb stuff I've said but

1:07:13you know I also realize that those words

1:07:16and they came out and I change and like

1:07:18I want to believe the other people with

1:07:19the same way to yeah yeah i agree just

1:07:21because of political correctness but

1:07:23because of growing as a person

1:07:24there's all kinds of stuff whether

1:07:25that's 40 years ago or a month ago

1:07:28there's all kinds of stuff that I don't

1:07:29just that it's not just that I'm not

1:07:30saying it because I don't wanna be

1:07:31offensive

1:07:32I'm not saying because i think it's not

1:07:33true and i realize that there's more to

1:07:34it than just those words right and I

1:07:36wish everybody got that same break

1:07:38well i think you know hopefully they

1:07:41will I mean there's there there are a

1:07:43lot of us that have grown a lot in the

1:07:45last few years and there there's a lot

1:07:47of people you know I mean you can only

1:07:50the only party to punish people so far

1:07:54before you have to sort of live with

1:07:56them again but you know what i do wanna

1:07:58hear more about the campaign if you have

1:07:59time but like here's another part of

1:08:02that is that you know you you must get

1:08:05this because i know i get this i

1:08:06actually I i get a surprisingly small

1:08:08amount of generally obnoxious stuff

1:08:10thrown at me I feel very fortunate but

1:08:12sometimes there will be you know what

1:08:15happens is like I'll say something or

1:08:17somebody heard I said something somebody

1:08:19else mentions that third hand they

1:08:21didn't hear the context and so of course

1:08:22now i'm hitler like that that happens

1:08:25whatever that you know I think that

1:08:26happens but i think part of it is the

1:08:28environment where like you described

1:08:32with the last week or the week before

1:08:33you describe being in a situation where

1:08:35like all the insiders and politics are

1:08:38interested in what you say but they're

1:08:40super interested in like who you hang

1:08:42out with because that's that's how we

1:08:43can really tell but basically I don't

1:08:46overstate this but basically implying

1:08:48that hey we're all just a bunch of liars

1:08:49on one level

1:08:50another haha and so I wonder part of it

1:08:53is people are so people understand how

1:08:56what's the word I'm looking for

1:08:59how how many demagogues are out there

1:09:02people who are artfully putting together

1:09:04a certain kinds of polemical and hurtful

1:09:11things by design because they know

1:09:13they're trying to reach a certain group

1:09:15there are other people who speak in a

1:09:17code that pretty much everybody knows

1:09:19right

1:09:20hmm i mean is is the Confederate battle

1:09:22flag really about heritage maybe you but

1:09:25it's not really it's kind of really

1:09:26about heritage that the Heritage easy

1:09:28used on black people like what we you

1:09:30know get past that like but like that is

1:09:33that something you can say that a coded

1:09:35statement you talk about you know urban

1:09:37urban people when you talk about all

1:09:39these things so i guess i want to get

1:09:40someone in your opinion on this because

1:09:41you're living it now is it like how much

1:09:43of that is just the rhetoric of being in

1:09:47public as a public person or maybe

1:09:49people are so accustomed to everybody

1:09:51out there having some brand that they're

1:09:54trying to portray and deliberately

1:09:56choosing the awful things that they say

1:09:58you think you're getting too hard with

1:09:59that you know how hard my use of the

1:10:01word tar the it's it's two things that

1:10:06and i think one of them politics is

1:10:08always a rhetorical place where where

1:10:11you're trying to catch the other guy

1:10:14with their pants down you're trying to

1:10:16trying to turn their words against them

1:10:20you know you think about think about

1:10:22politics all the way back it's it's one

1:10:26of the number one ways you run against

1:10:29somebody is to is to try and portray

1:10:34someone who is ultimately another person

1:10:38of good will who is trying to help other

1:10:40people by serving in the democratic

1:10:44process and you turn that person into a

1:10:48repository of everyone's fears and

1:10:51hatreds by like a heatsink you become

1:10:54like you know for that for your

1:10:55Orwellian moment of hate

1:10:57yeah the idea that you could Swift Boat

1:10:59John Kerry who

1:11:01do you know who went to Vietnam and

1:11:04fought nobly and that you could turn

1:11:09that against him and that his opponent

1:11:13would be a guy would be a rich kid who

1:11:16dodged service in Vietnam by joining the

1:11:21national guard and not even fulfilling

1:11:22his commitment but that he could be

1:11:26perceived as the better candidate

1:11:28because John Kerry you know in all on

1:11:31some River in Vietnam you miss reported

1:11:36that what what what his role in a battle

1:11:39was I mean that's just the that's just

1:11:43the political process and it's insane

1:11:45and it doesn't bear any relationship to

1:11:47reality and and it's unfortunate but

1:11:51it's real right and so there's that

1:11:54which you know which I can't do anything

1:11:59about and none of us can so you just

1:12:01have to accept the things you cannot

1:12:05change and have the courage to change

1:12:07the things you can

1:12:08the what makes it different now is that

1:12:12that rhetorical that rhetorical culture

1:12:17has expanded out into the world at large

1:12:21and normal people are sitting on the

1:12:26internet and using those same techniques

1:12:30to turn other normal people into the

1:12:35opposition or the enemy you know and and

1:12:38and like you say it is a we've spent a

1:12:42lot of time removing words from our

1:12:46lexicon but we haven't but removing

1:12:50those words hasn't successfully removed

1:12:51the underlying thoughts and prejudices

1:12:54it's almost like you

1:12:55it's almost like thinking that taking

1:12:57the book out the dictionary means people

1:12:59will understand what it means anymore

1:13:01yeah so now we have to decode what it

1:13:04means part that's the biggest problem

1:13:06yeah just David Duke can speak without

1:13:09using racial slurs but you know what he

1:13:12means

1:13:13and you know and evangelicals are always

1:13:16speaking to one another in kind of coded

1:13:18language so that you know that you're

1:13:19you know who you're dealing with it i

1:13:21mean there's all the family values

1:13:22yeah there are all these language codes

1:13:24now and so where we are we're forced to

1:13:28decode one another but that we're also

1:13:32applying this kind of political this

1:13:37political matrix to just what are normal

1:13:42conversation somebody goes online and

1:13:44says like I had a you know I met if I

1:13:47met somebody today she was so basic and

1:13:50then it's like wait a minutes you know

1:13:52using that is classes and all that you

1:13:55know an end and then that political

1:13:57attack comes and it takes the it takes

1:14:01the form of like i'm going to i'm i'm a

1:14:04i'm both going to try and educate this

1:14:06person but also discredit them and

1:14:09silence them and you know it's all that

1:14:11which comes from our political culture

1:14:13and now is just infiltrated our daily

1:14:16lives and so there's a lot of that

1:14:19coming from just daily life people back

1:14:23into politics right i mean i'm running

1:14:26and it's not just a super PAC that is

1:14:30going to Swift Boat me it's somebody

1:14:33that disagreed with something i said on

1:14:36the podcast and chose to interpret a

1:14:41certain way and then decides that

1:14:44independently they are going to be a

1:14:46flaming sword that alerts the world to

1:14:50the fact that i am a i'm a bad candidate

1:14:52in a bad man and then you know and so so

1:14:57yeah I i do feel i do feel that there's

1:15:02there's a lot more of that to come in my

1:15:03campaign there will be people that that

1:15:07that come out of the woodwork and say

1:15:12like

1:15:15I used to be a fan but then one time

1:15:18John Roderick didn't reply to my email

1:15:21fast enough right and then I realized

1:15:24that he was a narcissist and and and

1:15:29he's you know covered in white privilege

1:15:32and so I've made it my personal mission

1:15:34to destroy him and you know everybody's

1:15:38got the same resources now everybody's

1:15:40got access to the same communication

1:15:43channels it just you just keep lobbying

1:15:47dirt clods that somebody until one of

1:15:50them sticks you know and you don't you

1:15:52don't get any extra credit for not doing

1:15:53that right or do you mean personally 11

1:15:59that does not participate in that

1:16:00particular form of mudslinging is does

1:16:02you don't get credit for not doing that

1:16:04to you know i don't think so i don't

1:16:05think so i mean iíve said that I want

1:16:08to run a clean campaign and I get a lot

1:16:10of pressure from my own team to

1:16:13challenge my opponent on his record and

1:16:18when i do uh when I do I'm uh you know

1:16:28people that are fans of mine say I

1:16:30thought you were gonna run a clean

1:16:31campaign so you know uh there's a lot of

1:16:37there's a lot of time between a rock and

1:16:42a hard place I've got I've got people

1:16:44who think that me running a clean

1:16:46campaign means that i never say anything

1:16:48about my opponent except that I think

1:16:50he's a nice guy and I spend all my time

1:16:53I da ting up in the clouds and then my

1:16:57own staff is screaming at me to to get

1:17:05in the press and make it and

1:17:06differentiate myself from my opponent

1:17:08and you know you gotta do you gotta do

1:17:13both and I try not to be personal but

1:17:16ultimately ultimately the be the attacks

1:17:19against me probably aren't going to come

1:17:22from my opponent they're probably going

1:17:24to come from

1:17:25somebody on the internet somebody that

1:17:29you know that that is angry at me for

1:17:33for the way I talk and the way I am and

1:17:38the way I've lived and and has decided

1:17:41that it's their mission you know people

1:17:43have people have a have Crusades that

1:17:47will get them a lot less attention then

1:17:50going after me in public you know I mean

1:17:53that's a that's a real opportunity for

1:17:55somebody if they want to forget about

1:17:57what three more weeks three more weeks

1:18:00before the prime area who along three

1:18:03weeks huh boy I'll say that was weird

1:18:14kind of it