Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► sponsored by cards against humanity they [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► asked us not to read an ad [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► hey just enjoy the show [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► hello hey John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► good how are you going great that was a [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► really really fast restart you must have [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► some very recent equipment there [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► yeah well I was restarting my computer [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► and so I had to go get some herbal ciao [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► from the grocery store across the street [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► that stocks trouble child to feed all [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the gerbils inside my now completely our [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► cake computer device which still looks [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► very modern [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► mm that's what's deceptive about it [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► right okay students the design was so [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► ahead of its time that it's still up to [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► me at least looks very very modern [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I have two beloved Apple devices at my [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► house right now that it won't turn on at [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► all and it looks like something from [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Star Trek there's some modern oh they're [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► very modern I my extremely modern phone [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► has has been engaging in conversation [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► recently about how my icloud is almost [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► full [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► oh yeah my wife wakes up to that [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► literally every morning and it's [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► interesting when I think about it [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► because of course the I mean how can a [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► cloud be full [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► alright miss you know i mean when i [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► think about and I think about it got [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► cloud can't be full [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I mean it rains when it when it gets [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► full cloud rains clouds can get very [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► very big before you would describe them [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► as full they can retain a lot of matter [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► but my phone insists that it's time for [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► me to either upgrade to a to it to a [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► plan of the bigger cloud basically it's [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► saying attach some additional heels to [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► your neck or the alternative is go to [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► apple / menu dot a details that's the [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► point that it going / fields / but going [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► flat heels and they'll walk you through [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► a very easy process where you can manage [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► your content in the sense that each app [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► favorable has a content management [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► capability which enables you to not know [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► at all anything about how much space [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► things are using or how that is part of [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► how they're operating system adjudicates [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► what they do what they do is they show [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► you some bars some colored bars that [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► indicate where that what what your how [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► full your cloud is yeah the biggest one [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► of those bars is something you can do [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► nothing about nor can you understand it [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and then the other bars are all [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► similarly opaque in the the bar called [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► other other right and then but what's [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► wonderful is that they say like oh if [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► you'd like to manage your content and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► which is what i would actually prefer to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► do i would prefer to manage my content [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► who would prefer to manage was on the [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► phone and not have the phone full of [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► secret contracts not have it full of [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► user and user agreements that give away [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► all of my information to a chelsea [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► manning i would prefer to just be able [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► to go in there and see very clearly [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► what's there and call the things i do [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► not want and they present it as though [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that is the possible that is it not only [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► a possibility but it's just a simple [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► simple process you just follow the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► little arrow from you no applecare down [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► to apple don't care [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► snap and uh and yet uh i would need a [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► computer maths degree from a community [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► Comic technically it's a certificate [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that certificate i would need a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► certification that you can get on nights [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► and weekends while working a year your [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► overnight shift at denny's and then i [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► would also need this is the key [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► this is the this is the thing that that [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► they don't tell you i would need one [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► year of free time that I had nothing [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► better to do than to sit and figure out [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► how to freaking delete that what i can [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► delete from my phone so so in summary it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► just works [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and what's amazing is it looks very very [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► modern and everything every modern [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► message my wife wakes up to every day [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► since you guys the cloud is full of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► Congress was so satisfying because it's [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► so just that the fonts were chosen [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► various the chamfered edges and not the [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► hand weight even the hand feel ya it [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► snaps to a grid and it [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► yeah that's true yeah but any kin any [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► case so I'm very excited and you know [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► and what's funny is that you just you [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► feel you and I have you Knife resist [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► resignation all the time right [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► why did i do i do not like to make [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► decisions from a place of resignation [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► I know that you don't either i prefer [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► not to lie i liked I'd like to [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► understand what I'm resigning to and NY [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► right and this entire meal based economy [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► is an economy predicated on resignation [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► we just we give them the like the [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► appearance of a choice where one of the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► choices is non-functioning and the other [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► choice we just keep saying like it's so [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► simple all you have to do is just [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► upgrade it just paid just pits start [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► paying in on a monthly basis [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► uh-huh or of course there's this very [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► simple other direction you could go [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► which and which is a which is a trap [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► Street at every turn like dead end dead [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► end dead end and it all just redirects [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► you back like that scene in animal house [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► hey welcome to the frat party you know [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► have you met Mohamed and I man and so so [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► and so you get back to this thing and [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► eventually your phone stops working [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► computer stops working and you [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► resignedly pay for the thick just that [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► you just pay for the hope that it will [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► animals that a bigger cloud will get you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► back in the game [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► uh-huh and i just cannot i just i see [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► that he'll and it's you know it's funny [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► like eels are unpleasant-looking but [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► this girl has a kind of like cheeky [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► smile he just wants to attach himself [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► this Remora wants to attach himself to [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► my neck vein [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► for some reason it reminds me a little [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► bit of I'm not the one of the best [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► example of this is but it's like how [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► they put ATMs in casinos you know where [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► you can go and you can get like special [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► ATMs because in addition to being very [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► costly ATMs you can get like cash [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► advances and stuff like that and you [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► know when you're in the heaviness of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► gambling it's not like you're making a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► note of every 100 or 200 or 500 dollars [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► that you're taking out you know what I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► mean it isn't you're not really keeping [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► track of that but it feels like it feels [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► sustaining to be able to keep gambling [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► i'm not much of a gambler but I've seen [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► it and that's the thing here with you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► with the eels that you're describing is [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► that is a solution is presented in the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► form vanille just just agree to attach [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► this to somewhere anywhere anyway it's [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► convenient for you where you can get [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► blood and we're pretty sure everything [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► will be fine [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► do you know what I have a lot of blood [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► now I'm carrying an eel and still not [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► working with almost no problem at all [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► was given another he'll there's another [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► ill but the thing is these eagles are [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► small they're losing people the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► listeners imagining and yelling [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► fantastical feel like something [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► something like like a Grimm brothers [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► heal because these are not didn't know [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► this is more like more like [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► nightcrawlers yeah just little guys [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► there little heels and and the thing you [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► know they're like I would like I [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► hesitate to call them leeches because [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► leeches have an ugly it's only were [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► really pejorative from a different time [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► term that's right but and I think they [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► are more properly Remora but uh but yeah [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► it's it my resistance to it is not to [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► any one particular seal it is to the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► idea of having heels on me and if you [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► put one even if you make them thinner [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► and have the battery last longer and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► steal even if that he looks like [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► something out of a kind of a like a like [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► 17 deleted minutes from 2001 a Space [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► Odyssey even if it is a Kubrick and [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► he'll I do not want it on me and I think [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► this stems from a time when I was on [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► outward bound and we we had been [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► paddling our canoes for several weeks [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► in that in the boundary waters canoe [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► area of northern Minnesota and southern [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► canada ontario I think and we hate each [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► everyone everyone on that trip I was put [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► into a group of much bigger boys older [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► boys who were all sent there by their [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► very the their various like juvenile [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► detention facilities in their respective [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► towns outward-bound can be a form of [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► cutting trail right it can be a place [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► for some people get straightened out [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► yeah and there were there were lots of [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► people like there were lots of groups in [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► my when I arrived at our bound you know [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► there are hundreds of kids there and [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► they all are separated into different [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► kind of candy who different squads and [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► there were squads that were coed where [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► where they were we would we would [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► sometimes encounter them you know when [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► you're when you're out in the it in the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► Boundary Waters area there are some [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► chokepoints kind of where the where one [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► Lake feeds into another and even if [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► you're out there for three weeks like [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► you're going to run into some other [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► people just because he you know there's [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► these waterfalls or whatever and we [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► would encounter these other groups and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► they were they were like they would [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► canoe by a singing like they were [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► singing their song or whatever boys and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► girls like a out camping and learning [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► skills and that sounds like summer camp [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah and my group were all they were [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► like we were 12 12 us maybe 10 total [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► bullies and felons kids with like knives [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► in their boots and then me and they put [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► me in that group because i was big-sized [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► and also because i think i was sent my [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► folks set that me there to straighten me [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► out but I was not like compared to the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► kid from Baltimore like the degree to [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► which I was on the wrong path in life [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► was not anywhere close to the you know I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► was not living in a world [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► where I was smoking cigarettes throwing [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► knives and holding other kids heads [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► under the water right I was just I was [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► just sulking and sulking at least in and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► me in my culture was like as bad as as [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► as being a violent teen perpetrator so [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► it was more like you are a pain in the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► ass on the wrong path rather than [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► actually dangerous [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► yeah i was a pain in the ass and so they [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► sent me to this and I don't know what [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► box they checked where they were like [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you know send him send him with the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► group that that is like a basically [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► penal but i was i was in the airport in [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► duluth minnesota and a kid that ended up [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► being in my squad sat down next to me [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► and he was there with a corrections [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► officer who was escorting him to our [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► bound and I was like you know I read too [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► many Archie comics or something you know [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► that was that was my crime but uh but [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► anyway so we had several weeks in or [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► however many weeks in at right at the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► point where we were living on brown [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► sugar and butter because all the other [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► kids had all the bigger kids had stolen [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► all the food we arrived at a little tiny [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► we were there canoeing through this [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► slow-moving river and the river had a [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► drop like a like a 10 foot waterfall and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► we we saw in time we can pull their [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► canoes over to the side and portage them [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► around and then it was incredibly hot [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► and humid and he was this beautiful [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► little waterfall kind of undiscovered [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► waterfall out in the middle of Canada [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and we took off our clothes and jumped [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► in it was like one of those few moments [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► on this whole long trip where there was [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► any feeling of camaraderie no one was [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► trying to kill anyone else it was like [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► everybody was so happy to have found [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► this little place and you can you could [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► duck under the waterfall and and pop up [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and breathe and their little there's a [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► little bubble there and it was just like [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► a perfect [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► moment one of the like three times on [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that whole trip where I didn't fear for [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► my life and then the first kid gets out [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► of the pond and the rest of us who are [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► in the water can see that he is covered [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► with leeches leeches that are the size [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► of coke bottles of god and he doesn't [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► see it because he's just climbing out [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and like and we're all like oh you know [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► like oh no and then also oh shit they're [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► those leeches are all over us too and so [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► we you know we all climbed out of there [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and had to head to it in that feeling in [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► that state of complete panic figure out [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► how to get the leeches off you know with [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► somebody had to go find a lighter and [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► and go through this whole terrible [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► process and you know they were inside of [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► our shorts and and so I have this leech [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► this terrible each memory where every [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► time my phone offers me an opportunity [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► to make my cloud bigger I feel like [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► there are leeches in my shorts and I [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► can't get it right you get triggered I [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► can never that's exactly right i can [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► never shake that feeling and then all of [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► a sudden I'm right back like sleeping in [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► a tent with a kid that's trying to kill [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► me and it's it spits I mean I wouldn't [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► call it PTSD but it is a I do have some [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► strong feelings [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► uh-huh that's a hell of a story [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► well that's a horrible or and while you [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► were talking about just looking at was [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► just wondering like it is in order for [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► our bound to work it has to be hard or [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► different be difficult on some level [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► maybe not in the way that you're [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► describing but like I'm just wondering [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► like how often people just get injured [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► or died doing it just seems like there [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► must be horrible injuries whether or not [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it's from a felon with a knife in his [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► boot it seems like people must die doing [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► outbound it's very it can be very hard [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► but i think that you know I think what [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► ends up happening is you get really [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► qualified guides and counselors and [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► about but there's a lot of variation [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► there right and so [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► so in our case our two guides were when [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► you at first at first blush you think [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► like you know wow we we got the we got [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the we lucked out here because Mike our [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► guide had hair down the middle of his [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► back a long beard and his co guide was a [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► woman that was like really strong and [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► and and had a actually had a flattop [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► haircut and this is 1983 I mean it was [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► well it was really hard [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► they were really hardcore outdoor [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► superstars who could live off of moss [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► and you know had that basically lived [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► out out of doors for a long long time [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and we're very very capable but what [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► they were not was youth guidance [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► counselors or violence counselors and so [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► their attitudes about all of the [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► interpersonal shit going on between the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► kids was just like I mean they had no [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► way to really they they did not counsel [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► us and they had no way to impose [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► discipline so they would say alright [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► everybody you know here we are like [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► unpack your tents and set them up and [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► let's get a fire going and and start [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► cooking dinner and like four kids would [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► be like no fuck you and you can't you [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► can't like you know sent to detention [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► yeah right i mean we're already out [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► where all right you can't exclude them [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► from the group at that point you can't [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► refuse to feed them and so because and [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the thing is they that at a certain [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► point we got far enough out that none of [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► these kids could escape just because if [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► they left the group they would die in [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► the wilderness so we were that we were [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► we were bound together but that that [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► tipping point where that I think that [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► our bound works toward where you feel [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that we're that-that-that-that back [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► a binding starts to feel like a family [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► or something like you are live here [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► really depending on one another and that [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► that interdependence becomes a thing [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that you treasure and and that just [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► never took root it was weeks and weeks [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► of like these kids just just petulant [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► and stealing and refusing and fighting [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► and I and I was such a nerd that I that [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► I really wanted to have the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► transformative experience right i'd read [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► the literature i was like i'm gonna come [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► out of this you know this is going to be [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► the thing that makes me man you know [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► even even as I was saying like I hate I [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► hate my parents and being forced to do [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► this there was that other side of me [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► that was like I'm ready to embrace the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► transformative experience i'm ready to [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► survive be a survivalist and and you [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► know at every turn I was just sort of [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► pushed because i was younger than they [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► were I was this I was big but I was I [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► was two years younger than every other [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► kit and they just push my face in the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► dirt and just you know take my food out [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► of my hand and and to dare me to do [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► something about it [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► I sense and how Halloween along route [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► there Oh weeks and weeks i mean really [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you know is an intensive program and i [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► think that i think the guidance [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► counselors were our counselors I mean [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► our guides were trying to that you know [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► they were operating on the assumption [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that that this couldn't last forever [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► eventually this Lord of the Flies stuff [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► would would would mutate into brotherly [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► love but it never did and I don't know [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► if we were still out there together [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► 20-30 years later whether there would [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► have ever been you know I think I think [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that was a classic group of kids that [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► left to their own devices would have [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► starved to death and died of exposure [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► rather than ever [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► band together to do something you know [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► they wouldn't ya willing and willfully [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► done it [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► that's what makes you think that the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► kind of guides that they have are [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► obviously they have to experience with [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► you know a variety of challenges and all [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► being outdoors for a long time you know [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► outdoorsy people like it really seems [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► like a irresponsible to have people who [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► are able to almost like a drill team [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► drill drill sergeant type but somebody [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► who really knows how to get inside the [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I mean just just because it really only [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► takes one person going off the off the [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► rails out there to really in danger a [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► lot of people [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► yeah it seems like not intervening at me [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► know it sounds like that wasn't a [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► strategy [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► it was just like that's what they were [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► capable of yeah exactly and that was the [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► that was the thing when I when we saw [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► that other group of of kids [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► paddle paddle your paddle past us at a [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► at an intersection of two lakes you know [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► and they were headed this way and we [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► were headed that way and they were [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► singing at up until that point I had I [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► felt like through those weeks that this [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► was the experience that everyone was [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► having and so this must be what outward [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► bound is and this must be what they must [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► do this on purpose and you come out the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► other side and it's like you went to [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► it's like you want to like here at Camp [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► your camp northstar anything like all [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► the all the rich kids are over there [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► Yeah right right i mean you know I felt [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► like it it's like going to it's like [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► going to jail except there are also [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► mosquito bites but then they should be [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► they should put that right on the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► brochure but then these other kids were [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► having so much fun I realized that this [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► wasn't the experience of of all of [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► everybody that was doing this it was [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► just what was happening to us and that [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► was the thing that made me you know that [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► was maybe my first experience with that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► feeling of like I still have 11 more [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► days that I have to survive [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and I don't I cannot look 11 days into [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► the future because I will I'll panic and [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► a and i'll be paralyzed i have to just [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you know do what I'm doing right now [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► get get to the end of today make it [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► asleep and then you know tomorrow is a [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► new day but that that sense of like I [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► mean when you're 13 11 days might as [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► well be a million days over and that you [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► know and when i was when i was walking [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► across Europe obviously I had a much [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► bigger problem of like I still have [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► three and a half months of this to do [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and uh huh so I just have to keep my you [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► know keep my head down and put one foot [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► in front of the other make that walk and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► so many of your other like self-imposed [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► survival games seem it i had not heard [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you're our bound story so that I look at [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► those things in a new way now because [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► like you knew what it was like to be out [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► there feeling desperate you put yourself [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► in that situation many times after that [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► yeah and I wonder whether or not that [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► outward bound thing kind of set it cast [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the die a little bit and if i had if I'd [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► gone to that and it had a a merry old [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► time whether i'd have a different [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► relationship to the sort of the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► survivalist um adventures that I play uh [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► huh you know I don't I honestly don't [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► know and the thing is like it you know i [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► mean people who've been to our bound [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► no one it's not like we sit and and and [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► having counter sessions about our [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► experience but i think a lot of people [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► have wonderful experiences that outward [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► bound and and so and you know obviously [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that was that was decades ago when i [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► went so and and i and i still am glad [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► that I experienced it but it was [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► you know it was an example of of like [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► what happens when you put your kid [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► what would he try to you try to modify [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► your kid by putting them through a very [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► grueling experience rather than modify [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► your kid rather than a not trying to [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► modify your kid or be modify your kid by [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► putting them in a like a panic trying to [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► find a place where they can bloom that's [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► that's what we actually went really [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► thinking about right now is that down [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► you know even as young as our kids are I [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► I feel like we can probably both awesome [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► holiday I'll speak for myself I can [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► really see how you know what matters is [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► the accumulation of what happened every [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► day what happened yesterday what [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► happened yesterday what happened like it [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► that it's it's not so different from [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► this from like the difference between [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► like when did somebody get addicted to [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► cigarettes was the first time i heard [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► about cigarettes now was it the first [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► cigarette they had probably not maybe [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► with crack but not so much with smoking [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► was it after the first pack now [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► it was sometime between the first back [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► in the day they died they got addicted [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► and it's very difficult to pick out one [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► day but you can you know at some point [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► you can definitely say it's gonna be [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► harder than not at this point to stop [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► smoking just as one example and you know [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► what sending somebody I don't know we're [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► bound make that go away possibly it's [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► just that we are the accumulation of so [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► many little micro experiences micro [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► decisions are you know little tiny [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► things and it's I get some reason i [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► mention here is I wonder you know it's [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► it's kind of amazing anything ever works [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► for something like that because you take [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► somebody who's like could not be any way [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► other than how they are in some ways [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► good or bad I mean it's nice to think [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► like oh yeah you have raised a good kid [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► or this is a good person or you know [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► this is the straight a kid or whatever [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► but the thing is you are whatever you [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► are and you so are whatever you are and [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► it's amazing to think that any kind of [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► cold water therapy like that works out [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► at all unless it's really tuned to like [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► for example you know i guess i can think [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► of some kind of like I don't feel good [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► TV show idea of like a kid who's [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► actually very independent some kind of [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► Captain Kirk character who's having [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► trouble fitting in [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► school and discovers they have [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► leadership skills wants to put to a [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► challenge [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► yeah but I mean how do you know what's [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► gonna be right for somebody how do you [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► know whether that's just gonna make them [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► horribly bitter and cover with leeches [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah well and I think that our [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► bound what did talk a lot about a [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► leadership but I was 13 in a group of 15 [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► year olds and I was never going to be [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► accepted as a leader by them and when I [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► would you know what i would say like a [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► everybody can't we just like stopped [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► fighting for a minute and try and get [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► this fire built up what that would do is [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► it would turn their attention back to me [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► for just long enough for everybody to [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► agree that the thing to do right now is [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► to throw rocks at John like whatever [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► their other fighting was you know if i [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► am going to set that aside to just pass [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► on you [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► yeah they would all band together to [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► destroy somebody if that person stuck [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► their head up like there was a Jewish [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► kid from salt lake city and like the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► first hour of the first day the other [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► kids agreed that his name was bagel you [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► know and but he was also from salt lake [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► so that confused them a lot but like you [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► know imagine imagine being called bagel [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► for a month and he was you know he was [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► sent there for some kind of juvenile a [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► reformation to but he he wasn't violent [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► but the thing was he knew that he [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► couldn't really align himself with me [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► either because if he applied himself [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► with me like I was the one I was the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► weakest so he needed to when when the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► time came to that they were dumping on [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► me he needed to join in that to ya I [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► mean it sounds like basic seventh-grade [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► kind of stuff yeah right and that [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► because all he was hoping was that they [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► wouldn't turn their attention on him so [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► i mean the the and and i look at it when [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► I when I you know I spent a lot of time [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► looking at the criminal justice system [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► and the I this cold water therapy thing [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► where you bust some kid for selling pot [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and instead of slapping his hand and [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► send him home to his mother because he's [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► a black kid you put him in jail we put [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► him in juvenile detention and then it [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► gets out and his next crime is just that [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► he didn't show up for his meeting right [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► and so then that's a different kind of [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► each yeah then like people have to pay [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► them all those fines and all those fees [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► for things those are just leeches [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► ligious that's right and so then you can [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► eat then he gets a fine because he [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► didn't show up for his meeting and then [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► he doesn't pay the fine and then it's [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► you know that's a serious problem [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► because now he's defaulting and so [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► that's another charge and pretty soon [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► you get somebody who never did anything [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► you know their initial crime was just I [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► mean when I think about the number of [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► people in the United States right now [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► who are in jail for pot yeah and we are [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► on the verge of legalizing pot [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► nationwide it's certainly legal here [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► there are there are people standing in [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► front of the jail smoking legal pot [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► while people inside the jail who were [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► sent to jail for pot look out the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► windows at them and you know and like [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► went to jail for pot and then when they [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► got out failed to report to their parole [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► officer and went to jail for a parole [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► violation and you know in the end up in [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► jail in jail in jail in jail and they [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► get out of jail and they can't find a [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► job because they have a jail record and [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► all for nothing and it's and it's and [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► it's based on this idea that like [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► sending somebody to jail is going to see [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► that first time is going to straighten [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► him up and it's such a faulty notion [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► that's based in in the Calvinists that [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► in that strange Calvinism thats that's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► buried a hundred feet deep in the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► American psyche largely largely [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► unexamined place-- yeah but there's but [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► the the weekend all again she's right [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► that there is this that they're weak i [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► think we can all agree that this person [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► has some kind of ill humors [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► that need to be worked out of them right [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► yeah we need to dump them in the pond it [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► its it's virtually is virtually medieval [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► yeah but any time somebody tries to [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► solve any of these problems once he's [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► like hearing you say that somebody sick [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► to my stomach just when you talk about [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► this like it's it's so gross thing i'm [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► on someone public radio the other day [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► about everybody everybody for years now [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► everybody's always and homelessness all [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► this is easy problem just go you just [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► gotta build shelters like you're being a [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► homeless shelter like it's not a great [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► place to be [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► oh you just gotta do this you just gotta [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► do that sometimes comes along try to [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► come up with something really novel like [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► you're talking about the thing while [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► back about like actually setting people [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► up and giving them a house and place to [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► live you know and that actually helps [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► the homeless problem because now they're [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► not homeless anymore [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► really wait a minute that's cheating [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► like you can actually help them you know [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► but this this piece was about just you [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► know I it's so fascinating and so as I [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► say so so like stomach-churning we get [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► into the implementation details are [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► trying to fix this because you know [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► people here joking about how much poop [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► through is on the streets here and you [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► said this in in that article that [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► interview with you like nobody poops on [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the street because they want to they do [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► it because there's nowhere else to go [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► and it's not these people are they they [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► may have mental health issues but [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► they're not crazy [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► I'll give you that and so in this case [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► we're talking about how do you deal with [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► like this one of the single biggest [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► problems that people who are homeless or [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► on the edge have is like what to do with [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► their stuff when they're doing something [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► else like if you like if you want to try [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and get a job like where you get close [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► where do you get a shower and how do you [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► have your five shopping carts be looked [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► after like while you're trying to get a [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► job it's virtually impossible and people [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► don't really think about that [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► implementation detail it's so mundane [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► and so extremely sad that you don't kind [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► of want to think about it too much but [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► like that's that's that's daily life [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► daily life for them is I have this is [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► everything that I have in the entire [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► world and it looks like it looks like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► junk to you about this is what i have [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► and like you know what are the steps [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► between here and like now I'm providing [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► for myself in this you know studio [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► apartment right so many steps [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► well you just think about the number of [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► times that i have uh I have prioritized [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► that straightening out my file of [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► envelopes [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► right like I have a I have a and I have [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► an enormous closet that's not an [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► enormous closet but it is a closet that [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► is full of stationary now you find good [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► vintage envelopes or good ventilation [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► air you gotta put it somewhere [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► vintage envelopes a 90 I am so my [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► listeners think I'm kidding I'm not [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► kidding colored colored typing paper [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► really nice folders back when these to [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► make good folders utiful folders heavy [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► heavy bond hard stock yet and and then [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► all of the sort of like vintage [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► postcards and stuff all unused and all [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► and I'm stockpiling it in the in the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► hope that i will one day return to males [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► correspondence that i will one day [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► sit down with my cursive typewriter your [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► hand here in a pistol Larry survivalist [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and write a heartfelt letters on scented [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► stationery that is you know from 19th [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► century france and mail these things but [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► you know I have all this stuff and [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► what's funny is that the the time I [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► don't it's not like i have recently [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► spent any time organizing it but i have [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► spent time with this material it gives [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► me good great pleasure but i have [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► prioritized that over other things like [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► I need to go straighten out my [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► stationery right now instead of work on [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► my book or my new album or get some [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► exercise right you know and so I'm very [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► aware of a major problem i think that [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► that that we that we never really think [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► about which is that one of the one of [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► the primary problems that people with [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► mental health issues have is [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► prioritization and I'm incredibly [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► sympathetic to the to the idea or to the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► just the the knowledge that so often you [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► say listen you need to secure these [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► necessities before you worry about your [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► five shopping carts full of you know [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► taco bell cups and the and the person is [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► like I am resisting what you're saying [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► like you have no idea how important [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► these shopping carts full of talk [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► Bell cups are and that I mean that [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► little switch is something that I [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► experienced all the time personally but [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► I'm on the other side of offense but I [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► could see myself very easily suffering a [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► series of of defeats and just not being [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► able to just practice uh-huh kind of [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► understanding of like the next step I [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► mean the next step is so is for some [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► people always so clear and for me is [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► always so ya covered with vines right [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► the next step is just it's just a ball [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► of lines but the the you know more [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► importantly like that I a dark or in our [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► culture in particular you can always as [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► you as you start trying to treat [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► homelessness we start trying to address [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► the criminal justice system or you know [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► anyone to be you start dealing with [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► income inequality you always push down [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► push down and you get to a certain level [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► of certain a certain tipping point with [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► almost anybody you talk to where you [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► arrive at the moment where they feel [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► like wait a minute now that's not fair [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► like that person has not done anything [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► to deserve food and shelter [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► yeah it's a Kobayashi Maru it's like you [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you with this is this the way this game [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► it works is not in the way that it seems [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► and if you actually do the steps they're [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► needed to win this game you will by [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► definition be cheating cheating right [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► yeah right because because there's [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► someone over here who is working hard [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and they are barely making it because [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► it's meritocracy and that's right so [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► this person is working hard and they're [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► barely making it look at that you go [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► right that is not i mean that is unfair [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► but that person is really working hard [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► and then you talk about providing an [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► apartment for a homeless person and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► three squares a day which is what this [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► other person who's working hard is [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► barely achieving for themselves and you [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► just go well you can't just give that [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► away to somebody [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► that wouldn't be fair and that's the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► point at which you can say well then [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that person goes and lives in the bushes [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► because that's what they deserve and [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► addressing that cognitive struggle in [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► our culture is like so hard because you [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► don't eat no one's really aware where [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► it's coming from where that lesson [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► originates that if you don't work if you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► don't try then then ultimately like you [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► deserve to die [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► you deserve to be pushed out of the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► village and wander the desert and uh you [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► know in the end the the standard for [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► even being able to stay in in the game [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► at the lowest level now is so much [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► higher than it's ever been [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► oh god yes you can't live in the city [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► unless you are really really working [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► hard [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► John we have we are you know Oh to every [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► couple months comic meet up and I really [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► really nice guy and and is a girlfriend [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► came there just get ready to move here [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► from Atlanta and is so funny i feel like [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► had this conversation with people so [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► often where I I i want all the words [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that come out of my mouth to be welcome [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► i really hope you enjoy here uh and I I [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► in my head I'm forming those words and I [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► want this to be the words that come out [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► but instead all that comes out is it [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► like a series of size and like I was [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► like oh I have helped you like the movie [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► is the worst attempt to not it's [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► don't come here it's bad it's really bad [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► if you don't think it's bad [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► you're the problem but if you don't [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► think this town is it's like living [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► inside of a godspeed you black emperor [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► song like it is disintegrating around us [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► and if you don't see that like it's [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► totally snowpiercer like you are in a [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► much you're a different part of the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► mother fucking train if you do not see [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the shitstorm that everybody in this [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► town is living through [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► but don't want that to come out as [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► congratulations on the move i hope the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► job works out for you uh-huh [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► but but instead that that's that's how [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► it comes out because you know it's so [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► strange to me and I didn't get that I'm [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► not gonna be that guy but here's the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► thing like twitter has this really nice [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► building in a part of town that is now [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► kind of like once want to kind of fancy [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► up because it's where twitter is and [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► stuff but it's so strange that you know [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► you've been to like too long you know [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that area like around six the market [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► like you know between kind of the civic [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► center like you know west of civic [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► center but it's it's pretty bad it's [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► pretty gross and it's just it's so [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► strange to me that that some of the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► folks who are the most fortunate like [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► are walking straight past some of the [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► greediest stuff i don't have to go there [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► very often i had to be there a couple [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► weeks ago for something for an event and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► i was i was shocked like walking out of [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► the civic center bart and walking up it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► was like okay this is this is really is [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► like something from a science-fiction [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► dystopia it's so gross and so desperate [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► and anyway welcome my friend from [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► Atlanta [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► i I uh I hope I hope this gradual asians [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► okay you know i mean every dystopian [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► movie there is like a clear separation [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► between the haves and the have-nots like [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► there there's always a metaphorical wall [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► right there is always a train that you [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► have to make it through several armored [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► doors to get to the front and left to [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► right back to front [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► what's amazing about San Francisco and [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► Seattle is that if there's no I mean [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► there are walls obviously like people [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► retreat behind walls but I in the in the [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► main complex of the city [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► the walls are all in people's minds you [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► know you come down it when in your in [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► your skinny pants and you go across the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► street to get a al $11 coffee beverage [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► that was pooped out of a monkey's butt [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► and and you make it back across the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► street and back into the lobby and up [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► and you just did not see the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► like the economic carnage that you had [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to literally step over to get to get the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► monkey poop coffee right so I mean I [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► yeah I sympathize with with the young [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► rich people who are embracing a radical [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► ideology you know there are a lot of [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► young there are a lot of millennial kids [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► with a lot of opportunity who are [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► channeling that frustration into into [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► ideologies they're not the most [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► self-reflective people either but it [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► really does feel like some something is [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► something's got to happen and I don't [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► want it to be something something's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► gonna happen i don't want to be a [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► violent revolution like that doesn't [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► interest me and I don't think that's a [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► very good solution i think historically [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► just in the last 200 years we can look [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► back at all the violent revolutions and [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► it does it's not too hard to say that [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Martin Luther King and Gandhi had and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► Mother Teresa had much better long-term [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► results from the way that from their [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► practice then the revolutions of 1917 or [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► 1848 or even 1968 so i want to i want i [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► want everybody to hear and see and get [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► engaged and start making a difference [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► but boy speaking as somebody who is [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► trying to do that it's not it is not [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► easy because it like you say those walls [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► those walls are there even if they're [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► not there we can mentally make those [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► walls its issues you know it's so weird [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► me one for me personally maybe one [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► barometer of how good I feel about the [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► culture is is how much I'm constantly [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► reminded of the movie Brazil [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► and I'm thinking a lot about Brazil [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► lately and in this case now I'm thinking [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► of that wonderful city wonderful [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► horrible scene with her at the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► restaurant say that number in there and [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► in the restaurant and a bomb goes off [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► and people are bleeding and dying and [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► and so that of course then all the way [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► to rush around to bring up like folding [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► screen so people don't wanna see the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► victims while they're still eating the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► other thing with the oskins keeps coming [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► to me in a dream [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► oh my God he's so great i right i [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► referenced Brazil to somebody the other [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► day in a political conversation and I [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► was just created by blank stares this [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► area have we really are always so are we [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► so far [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► oh my god i just brazil was the language [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► that movie is so relevant today that its [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► kind of appalling that was that relevant [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► in 1986 or whatever it was it's it seems [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► impossible that movie has is just seems [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► to make more sense all the time not just [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the bureaucracy but just the [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► ineffectiveness the the ineffectiveness [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and a callous and uh he said i'm martin [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► luther king i write something down [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► together has been a last week was kind [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► of a big week for America and the one of [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► the quotes people kept tossing out great [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► quote from martin luther king at the arc [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► of the moral universe is long but it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► bends towards justice [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► yeah I i use that quote a lot and and [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the response over the last several years [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► from people on the left has been really [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► do you really think that's true [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like there's been so much cynicism right [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► because you have you have a very [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► optimistic approach this is saying that [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► like in the case of seattle for folks [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► who don't know you say you said over and [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► over we're on the brink of something [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► really amazing happening in seattle and [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► why can't everyone see that things are [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► getting better we have a liberal utopian [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► some ways now we have to get the [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► implementation details right right and [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and you know and ultimately like I'm a [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► historian or I have a historians view of [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► things and so if you look at the if you [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► look at that arc in historical contexts [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► really in any one you want to choose its [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► it's absolutely true [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► it bends toward justice and so that [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► cynicism is just from people that are [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that can only see five years [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► on either side or the don't think that [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► way at all [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► um and are only responding to how [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► they're feeling right now or 216 [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► politically expedient to say but yes of [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► course we're making progress everything [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► we've ever done as human beings has been [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► a progression towards something that we [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► never talked about or try to define and [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► you know there are a lot of people who [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► believe that that progression is is a a [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► kingdom after death or that progression [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► is to like have to personally ascend or [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► to climb through reincarnation a ladder [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► of enlightenment or you know there are [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► all these ideas about what happens to [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► you but we never talk about what we're [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► doing what happens to us and what we've [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► been through as as a written as a [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► species and the progression we've made [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► and I mean we see we see that the d the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► destruction we have wrought and we can [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► look at ourselves as a kind of vermin or [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► plague on the earth that has gradually [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► sort of you know just as just as any [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► kind of parasite you know at first you [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► don't notice it and then pretty soon [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► there's some discoloration on your arm [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► and then pretty soon it's you know you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► can really see the destruction and your [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► hair falls out you know that's kinda if [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► you did a time-lapse of the earth over [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► the last 50,000 years like human beings [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► have been here a long time and you did [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► we wouldn't have noticed them but is [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► just recently who we've reached the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► level of like parasitic overpopulation [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► where the where we're starting to kill [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► the host but at the same time we have [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► like done so such incredible things and [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► have built such an incredible hive [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► and have conceived of such incredible [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► notions you know we invented the idea of [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► 0 as far as we know right there's no [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► zero in nature of who we invented in [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► that and and and that's that's [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► impressive work and so but we never said [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► we never stop and say like leaving aside [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► Valhalla and and heaven where you're [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► reunited with your ancestors like what [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► is our long-term goal how do we think [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► about our goal for Humanity that what [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► that will that is generations-long right [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► other than just build build build right [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► what is our what's our long-term plan [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► now and we're at we're finally at a [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► place where we can where we can talk [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► about this because but prior to this in [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► human history it's just like fruit for [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► for millennia was just like season to [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► season like how to stay alive [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► yeah how do we stay alive how do we beat [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► back nature and and persist and then you [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► know certain certain places it kind of [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► morphed into like okay we don't need to [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► you know my family at least says rich [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► guy in 900 AD like my family's going to [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► survive now now how do i consolidate [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► power and money to myself so that I can [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► protect my treiber you know I mean all [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► these evolutions of the idea but we're [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► only now this is one of these ideas [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► about like the nation's power of the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► internet only now are we able to see [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► through the through the broad sweep of [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► time that we have the ability to start [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► making plans for ourselves and our [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► cities and at where we're talking you [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► know this whole sustainability movement [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► is is a long-term game or there's no way [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► we can even know what that will look [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► like if it's exceeding Yeah right right [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you'll never know but you have to make [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► sacrifices and play a role in in a in an [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► ultimate goal that you're just a [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► you know you're just one of millions of [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► participants in and yeah that's that's [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► very exciting and it could be very it [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► could be really uniting well yeah that's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► why I actually why I brought up that [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► quote and I'm glad you said what you [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► said because it is actually underscores [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► what i was thinking and let me first of [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► all like you when you talk about stuff [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► like what we thought the internet would [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► do for us you know the Internet has [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► ended up being something that we mainly [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► use to amplify what we think or or [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► amplify you know what we want to have [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► heard about ourselves and about the [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► things that we care about but in talking [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► about the how the more arc of the moral [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► universe is long but it bends towards [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► justice when you thought we were talking [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► earlier about how you deal with stuff [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► like homelessness for these kind of [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► problems i think the attractor the [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► magnet that helps pull that arc in a lot [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► of ways if you look back in retrospect [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► it was succeeded at so much of those [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► times along the way is when we to the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► extent possible kept reducing our sense [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► of who is the other if you look at [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► anything that has ever gotten better [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► about people it's about realizing there [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► really isn't any such thing as another I [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► mean we needed that other one was about [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► traps right if you want to do is 900 AD [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► and you want to keep your castle going [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► like you had their everybody was another [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► except for this group [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► it's just that you know you look at [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► what's happened in the past week [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► think about where we were two years ago [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► let alone ten years ago was thinking [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► about like who's allowed to love each [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► other publicly i think a big amount of [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► that i'm far from the first person to [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► set point this out but it helps a lot [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► when you start realizing first of all [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► there's a lot more of that kind of [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► people that I thought isn't that [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► interesting it's not really you know one [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► in 10 or less it could be a lot more [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► than that and it could be a lot more [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► complicated than that then you also [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► start to realize they're not they're not [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► monsters [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► maybe they deserve to be human beings in [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► a way that didn't expect just by having [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► respect for the fact that i've not been [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► exposed to those people and I see that [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► they are just people and I'm the monster [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that I think a lot of that has happened [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► in the last two years on me again I'll [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► speak for myself in some ways so kind of [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► stuff from where I'm the real monster [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► here like all these other people that I [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► think are our impending on the thing [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that I'd like to announce our are not [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► the problem [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► the problem is i'm not paying enough [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► attention to who I think is the other [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and like what kind of case they have how [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► sad is that they have to even make a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► case you do what I mean I i agree that [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► there that there is no other and [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► ultimately i mean i remember when i was [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► in high school I had a couple of good [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► friends who were really conservatives [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► you know high school conservatives right [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► they love jack kemp he was their hero [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► and they were this kind of they were [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► they the Young Republicans who have a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► sort of sharp dressed and sharp-edged [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► ideology and that you know that makes [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► them feel very kind of superior and cool [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► particularly when they can trust [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► themselves against the like soft [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► liberalism right soft and wasteful [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► liberalism and these guys were a couple [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► of my really close friends we we shared [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► a we shared tastes in music and we [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► shared tastes in comedy and we enjoyed [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► each other's company but we just could [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► not and actually we enjoyed arguing [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► about politics that was a thing that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► that sort of you bound us together in a [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► way but though that the way that they [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► they had a quote that that they would [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► use to kind of try to defeat me in [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► arguments when I would start talking too [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► much about collective action or [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► collective thinking and I think one of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► them had seen it on a bumper sticker one [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► time and they would just throw it in my [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► face [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► they would you know i untied be spinning [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► this like story about how they're there [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► was no race it was just a construct and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► we needed to you know and that's that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► 1986 or 95 or whatever that wasn't as [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► popularly known and these guys would [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► stare at me and go one planet one people [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► please [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► which was a bumper sticker i guess like [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► a little like a liberal like the kind of [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► thing you buy at the coop food store [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► yeah one planet one people please [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► and you know that and I would kind of [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► stand there and go like yeah actually [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► right i mean one planet [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► you can't dispute that one people pretty [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► much pretty much one people if you if [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you think about it and the please part I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► don't know what to tell you like I don't [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► know what to say you would you rather it [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► be one planet one people by force but [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► it's also it's also getting something [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► that I happen to ya I don't love feeling [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► this way but agree on which is that [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► liberals can be insufferable just the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► worst would be great day when our [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► schools have all the money they needed [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► air force has to have a big sale [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► biopolymer first fall it's too fucking [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► long to have a proper stick-up you need [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► to edit that shit down like you can read [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► it it's too small one planet when people [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► please got got edited down to coexist [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► with all the little symbols and the bond [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► oh my god that is that is so perfect [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► that is such a perfect summary of what [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► is annoying about liberals the first of [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► all are using all of these different [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► symbols to form an English word they're [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► like they're fucking with all of these [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► very important symbols of different [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► peoples and faiths to make an [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► english-language we're going to make a [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► font make it fun yeah that they can be [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► put on their their suburban or whatever [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► god I i showed up at my office today and [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► my office manager the manager of the [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► building slipped a key fob under the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► door for me the key fob being the new [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► way that we're going to enter and exit [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► the building what's keyless entry [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► keyless entry one key fob fob and the [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► key fob is is built in such a way that [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► there's really no way to carry it except [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► on your key ring it is a key fob it's [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► that you can't slip it in your wallet he [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► camps [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► it's it's small enough that it would get [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► lost if you didn't put it somewhere and [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► so I have to put it on my keys now but [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► it's made out of that that kind of party [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► colored plastic that all IBM pcs are [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► made out of [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► yeah it's like that Universal uh [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► parti-colored dingus plastic color it's [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► pretty dangerous putting his fingers [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► buddy thanks bye [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► and and so I have this thing on my keys [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► that now basically makes it look like [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► Mikey's got lost and this is the tag [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► that they put on them in lost and found [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► it looks like a piece of evidence now or [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► it looks like like I curate the look of [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► my keys right I'm I'm I'm not a I'm not [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► just some person with a bunch of dumb [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► keys like I have a little leather flap [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► that has a that's tool a little too [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► leather flap on my key ring that has a [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► little kitten on it for four and then I [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► arrange my keys in a in the order that I [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► that I prefer to find them and one of [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► the keys has a little piece of red tape [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► on it and one of the keys is branded [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► seattle seahawks and now i have and [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► they're a couple of keys that are night [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► like nice classic-looking keys like old [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► older keys heavy style keys that I'm [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► very proud of and then i have this [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► fucking biggest party [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► uh-huh going on here and I know this is [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► meant to make my life better [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► I know I understand that it's but it's [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► part of the modernization project [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► yeah but it'sit's so hegemonic it's it's [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► it's sort of like you know I have a [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► feeling that for years now you think [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► about all those dumb loyalty programs [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► like you know you by nine subs and you [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► get a free sub or you can have what we [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► call check-cashing card if you want to [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► get the discount at the grocery store [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► I mean I imagine that in some way the [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► technology has existed for years to do [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► what most of us do now which is in our [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► phone number at the thing you don't want [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► to but you want to discount right but I [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► technology is probably existed for years [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► i think the real trick to having this [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► loyalty cards is having a constant [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► advertisement in your wallet for this [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► place that's what the way look at the [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► card is because when you're doing your [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► little taxonomy of keys and figuring out [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► in this case what goes in your wallet [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► you have to decide which one of those [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► are important enough but now like right [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► now is your driver's license your credit [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► card a picture of your kid is a little [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► thing about subs you carry around [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► advertisement about subs in your wallet [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► all the time which is brilliant [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► if you can think about it pretty [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► brilliant that they pull that off and [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► that's what's happening with all these [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► things these guys ago that thing I buddy [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► is this means is that they want when you [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► buy a fucking car now they want to carry [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► this thing is the size of a large [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► matchbox uh-huh but with a car the car [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► we got last year I can't I like what it [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► would do we really need to have a key [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► this large uh-huh [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► because it doesn't want to be a key it [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► wants to be the nexus of keys it was [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► that that's the hegemony is college [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► going back to last week but that's what [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► going back to last week but that's what [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► to be it doesn't want to be a kinky [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► wants to be king of the keys and [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► everybody else believes unto Him kinky [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► kinky low was betide you how how many [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► dinguses do you have on [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► yeah it's you know that guy you wanna [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► know the truth I have the most basic you [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► know the kind of key chain where you [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► open up your thumbnail and put these on [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► there [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► yep two keys whoa what was that you ski [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► ski office key i spent 48 years getting [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► it down to two keys [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► I used to think it was a sign of status [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► to have many keys many people still [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► believe this but i know i have i have [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► those two keys if I need the car key i [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► grab the car key to key not having a car [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► key on there also means i drive less two [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► keys so I'm you know the thing is also [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► like I don't have a lot of dell like I [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► don't boats and stuff like that and i'm [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► not trying to look down on people to do [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► but like to me that's freedom is fewer [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► keys [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► mhm is somebody should definitely attend [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► creative fewer keys because every key [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► you get is another thing you have to [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► take care of now i remember when i had [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► zero keys in my twenties and I really [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► living in the minivan i was living in [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► the minivan and I didn't even have a key [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► to it and then I got story they did I [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► what does a huge deal as they like [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► here's a key to the house if you really [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► need it don't abuse it right yeah I got [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► a key and then when I got a job I got a [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► key to my my work and I had a key to an [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► apartment and a key to my work and then [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► that I had those two keys for a long [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► time and then i got i was like the [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► assistant manager and they gave me a [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► different key just the newsstand the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► newsstand three keys and then my mom [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► moved to town and I had a key to her [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► house for keys and I didn't get a car I [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► didn't you know I didn't get a car in [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► seattle until I was about 30 years old [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► and then I had a key to that and at a [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► certain point when the earth in the [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► early long winters to her days you had [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► like I remember so many key you look [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► like a superintendent you had that giant [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► a small it with all the currencies of [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► the world in it [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► and all of the the money the band made [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► you a giant giant truckers wallet and [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► you had a huge Yankees you like a [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► superintendent yeah i did i did i was [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► and you know I was probably wearing a [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► hat that said King ropes Sheridan [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► Wyoming or or you know [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► Marvins gas and go tight women loose in [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► here [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► no no you for years you had had to sit [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► chick magnet on it [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► chick magnet because I believe in truth [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► in advertising but now i have i have [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► this key ring that has you know that's [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► been that's been really good office keys [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► house keys and now i have a fuckin [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► dingus on and I just I it's only been on [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► there for the length of this program I [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► was putting it on my key ring as I as I [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► was sitting here waiting for you to call [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► and I'm just looking at I'm trying to [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► figure out you know the dingus kind of [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► sticks out at an angle from the rest of [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► the keys because so good i couldn't have [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► it on there i used to have like a little [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► aluminum arm bottle cap opener here this [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► looks super light little things even [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► that was too much I had to take that off [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► of there [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► so what do i do I put this on a rope [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► around my neck I married a backpack and [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► give me a cancer [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► um I carry my briefcase because i am a [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► serious candidate for public office to [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► me like in my lifestyle that's good that [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► screams backpack to me you know it's [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► just but I mean are you with me a little [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► bit on the gem anything like it seems [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► like everything wants to be the center [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► of everything now [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► yeah and and like I think about how many [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► things are becoming more externalized [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► where you used to have [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► I must go way back you have a pocket [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► watch in your pocket you'd have a you [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► know a billfold in your inner jacket you [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► might have you might have kids but like [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► very few of your items of flair would be [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► external now when i go pick up my kid to [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► camp for the zoo this especially with [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► the women like I guess I want to carry a [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► purse or something but they're walking [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► around with all this stuff they have [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► these giant like a jailer with this [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► giant ring of keys too many many [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► minivans little matchboxes on there they [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► got a phone and maybe an ipad they got a [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► wallet it's like the people just carry [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► that stuff around with them know it [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► seems it seems so strange to me [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► well like I I never go anywhere without [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► a jacket and a backpack [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► you always need a jacket and backpack [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► because it's you know and and and look [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► here's the thing like with my kid [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► can I I my wife and I go around on this [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► sometimes we will be 70 in the morning [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► and I'm like listen I don't care if it's [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► 80 the thing is the arcade is being [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► raised in san francisco and she will [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► learn to always have a jacket that [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► always yes never not have a jacket [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► because here's the thing you can take it [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► off [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► we r pacific coast people yeah and you [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► need a jacket a light jacket like i'm [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► here with children will be born wearing [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► fleece I went the other day i was lucky [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► enough to meet a guy who runs a company [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► that is to devising or building out [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► vr and they are technologies em and i [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► went to their shop and AR augmented [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► reality augmented one that went to the [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► shop and I put on an oculus headset boop [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► and I was ushered into a virtual reality [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► universe and given several tours of [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► different virtual realities and try on a [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► couple of headsets including the one [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► that the one made of cardboard [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► I think we're going to google and google [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► one yeah and some others the way you [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► just kind of slip you're big you're big [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► nokia phone into a slot and all of a [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► sudden it's a it functions as a VR right [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► and you know the state of the technology [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► right now is is it's very new and a lot [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► of the stuff i was looking at kind of [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► felt like the money for nothing video [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► that all right hand like very basic [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► wireframe like hot polyhedrons and look [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► at this the guy look at morning working [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► get your money on your MTV there you [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► know I mean obviously better than that [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► but still like yeah this is not let's [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► let's not call this reality but there [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► were some incredible i mean there was [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► some incredible stuff footed shot from [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► three-dimensional cameras are you know [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► like 360-degree cameras where you're [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► flying a helicopter over beautiful [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► Iceland and you're able to kind of turn [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► your head and look around this this [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► place and and in you know just sort of [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► in in its not in real time but you are [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► able to explore a kind of a an [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► environment and as I was as I was a in [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► that world I felt like yeah write it as [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► a as from a gaming standpoint or from a [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► from a like demo a job training [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► standpoint or from a from a touristic [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► standpoint like this type of thing is [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► very interesting but really it's [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► augmented reality that is going to be [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► where we live [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► yeah that's going to be our universe and [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► I feel like all these key fobs and iPads [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► and and this sort of backpack or purse [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► full of Gidget gadgets and Gaz Mo's like [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► where that's all leading is that in our [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► glasses which we're all gonna wear in [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► our in our advisors there will be a [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► constant sort of ebb and flow between [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► reality and the augmentation of it and [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► you're gonna you know you're going to [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► look at the at the lock on your door and [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► it's going to open because it's going to [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► recognize right maybe the right [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► triangulation of things like right that [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► there's you year there's presents the [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► presences you you are looking at it and [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► you know exactly but the right [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► combination of things are so many things [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► the air can change [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► yeah you just so much sooner than VR [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► walk around you just sort of like how i [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► would like to activate the the history [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► you know they're like our local archives [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► because i want to know when this [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► building was built and when the addition [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► was put on and [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► just like pow and then you're like I'm [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► really i'm on the bus i'm really bored [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► right now I would like to bring up some [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► some infotainment but there are but I'm [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► always gonna have I'm always gonna be [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► able to look through it in order to make [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► sure that nobody steps on my foot or you [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► know nobody takes me by surprise and [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► this kind of like in and out of of [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► reality this is the new reality and it's [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► you know it's so tantalizing to look at [TS]

01:09:18 ◼   ► it in its in its germinating stage and [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► just say like wow this is like so [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► primitive primitive right now compared [TS]