Roderick on the Line

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00:00:27 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going but you're [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► using your public radio voice John i'm [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► using my public radio voice boom [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► you can hear it i think i first heard [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► Ira Glass discuss the way that on public [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► radio you speak in this tone and [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► occasionally emphasize a strange word up [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► his you know because he's got the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► hourglass ways but then he does the the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► like you know all things considered [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► voice yeah where something like every [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► third word is emphasized for reasons [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► that are not entirely clear a strange [TS]

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00:01:12 ◼   ► dr. Walton the only winning move is not [TS]

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00:01:17 ◼   ► I'm Robert Siegel where we do we kid [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► don't we [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► yeah this is a guy i like them I like [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► the way you're using into this episode [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► it's just feels chill i was it just your [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► year chill i feel pretty chill maybe we [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► should try to do the whole episode this [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► way just to think that we have that a [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► move that much children our children's [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► ER whar's like a gentleman like as you [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► do it as you do [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► oh my god entire I just karma tired are [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► I am I just it's a roof boring point [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► weekend no idea how happy fathers day [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► yeah thanks my father's day a my kid [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► just dissed me all day [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► that's so it's just like I had to harken [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► back I'm sure to all the all the fathers [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► days that I mean you know I think I was [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► a pretty dutiful kid about that stuff [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► like if it was fathers day I i [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► understood that my job was to celebrate [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► Father's Day which to the cherry face so [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I you know I fell on my sword a lot as a [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► kid in order to grease the wheels make [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the Machine keep running smoothly [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► uh-huh I wasn't somebody that you know [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► my sister would stand there on your [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► birthday and just tell you exactly what [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► she thought about yeah but I wasn't that [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► kind of guy on your birthday I [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► understood that the expectation was that [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► this was your special day [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► yeah i think also it was partly days we [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► were coming up in where people didn't [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► respect their parents like they're [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► supposed to but it was still like one of [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► the days that you were supposed to act [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► like it was the fifties even think [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that's right thanks giving a valentine's [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► day even you're just supposed to you're [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► supposed to shape up and spit comb your [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► hair huh be a good kid for a day you [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► bring your father slippers and if he [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► doesn't have slippers she makes them out [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► of paper [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► I got a great team and my family killed [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► it i did not deserve any of it but it [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► was well nice you know they-they-they [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► adore you and and rightfully so [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► yeah well it was good because I mean [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► either too big bangers for for father's [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► day we went out to lunch at my favorite [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► restaurant which also happens to be my [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► father's for me out my daughter's [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► favorite restaurant really any order [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► bangers my head bangers and mash [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► governor and and i gotta-i gotta [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► Father's Day present which like many the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► presence that I get and enjoy it was a [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► kind of for the house [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► oh sure but they're so yeah a big roll [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► of tape request that I find a real job a [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► good that the pages of more post-it [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► notes where you're running out now you [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► know what anything that I by the like [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► States slake my thirst for all of my [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► former passions in life now go directly [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► my daughter if I go out if I got flax [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► and about eighty dollars worth of pet [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► office supplies they just disappear just [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► going day I set him down on the table [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► for a minute and then they're just going [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► and then there's one drawing of a dog in [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► every notebook and they're all just all [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► over her room i got a boy you talk about [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► that technology is boring i'm not gonna [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► become this guy but I got a really good [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► morning you know what you're familiar [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► with the [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the term sous-vide you with that we're [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► cooking [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► where where where right by our I got [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► sous-vide thing that you can you attach [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► it to a pot it looks like a big [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► lightsaber and it anything you put your [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► food in a bag in the air out and it [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► cooks it flawlessly flawlessly [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► this is something you should look at you [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► put a stake in a bag you drop it in this [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► water you see make this a hundred 29 [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► degrees exactly hundred twenty degrees [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► perfectly cooked and you have to do [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► anything you don't have to do it on the [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► stove since you just plug it in [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► somewhere [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► what color is it though that the the [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► food [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► yeah okay I can't imagine boiling it in [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► a bag is some kind of like delicious [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► gives it a nice like crusty no no but [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► what you do is you you doing the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► sous-vide it takes an hour hour and a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► half and take it out and the thing is if [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► you feel like it for two hours it [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► wouldn't cook more because it stops at [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► the temperature you tell it it's really [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► cool and then you sear it on the on the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► range or power you like it [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► IC seem so there's a second step third [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► step or whatever you then you then sear [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► it you want to see her otherwise it's [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► kinda like a boiled egg [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► well not everyone's still delicious and [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► you can you can do stuff to anyway I was [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► very excited because i really wanted [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that it's not going to what about for [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► myself but now I've already as I've seen [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► all the things [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► yeah everybody's gonna be huh yep and we [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► went to that brazilian steak place I [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► like fur for lunch so we didn't we [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► didn't really need more meat but look at [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► well glad you had a good day yeah but [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► your kid was dissing you [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► oh yeah well and you know as you as you [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► said at the beginning of this episode [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► all of five and a half minutes ago over [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► um it's minutes after the hour [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► I'm all his tired and I don't know what [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► to do about it i think that you know I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► think that did you see that did you see [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► the getty air who died the other day in [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► his in his Hollywood mansion know you [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► know one of the Gettys one of the one of [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► the grandsons of jay paul Getty or the [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► great grandsons and they're all riches [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► sin and some of them have done things [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► like start [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► a photo sharing companies and some of [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► them just sort of sit around and do [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► methamphetamines and this getty air i [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► think is about our age [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► yeah and he died mysteriously but but [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► also not mysteriously because he was he [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► had a toxic level of meth in his body [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► man and and yet you know I don't think [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► Mikey od'd as much as it just all caught [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► up with them [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► intestinal hemorrhage intestinal camera [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► driver huh [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► but you realize like there's that [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► there's one version of being tired all [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the time that you try to counteract with [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► go fast pills and I know a lot of people [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► get addicted to various kinds of speed [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► because they just need that just a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► little bit of like come on just you know [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► like I often feel like I was made by us [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► somewhat neglectful craftsman who did [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► carburetor me quite correctly and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► there's a there's some turbo lag in [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► because i am a turbo model but it's sort [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► of an early turbo it takes awhile to [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► spool up and then all of a sudden it's [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the powers they're better at this and I [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► just I keep thinking that what i need is [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► like a little shot of of you know [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► carburetor those little shot of like [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► ether in my carbs huh [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► every day just to get going at a normal [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► level not to be as übermensch not to go [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► like disco dancing but just a little [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► thing that like would just get me over [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► the hump right ticket your engine [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► started [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► yeah and caught you know coffee sort of [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► doesn't quite perform this role and and [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► because i am a man on drug user [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► I'm fortunate enough not to be able to [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► consider [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► they're all the many different options [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► of super person drugs that all the other [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► people in the world resort to so i just [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► have to sit and think that I i keep [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► considering this one post-it note that's [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► now yellowed around the edges that says [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► eat less eat better and exercise [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► oh yeah and meditate and I look at that [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► post-it note every day and I go yeah [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah but isn't there something [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► isn't her vitamin b12 shot or something [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and you imagine if you were rich person [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► if you were if you were a rich person [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► who felt like Barry that their [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► contribution was crucial right i mean if [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► you're a getty air you probably imagine [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that your contribution to this day is is [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► highly valued it's more important than [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► average person's contribution even just [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► like all the day-to-day like accounts [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► and correspondents kind of me i'm going [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► to me thinking that this is royalty or [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► something but just like the day-to-day [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► stuff like people going to notice if [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► you're if you're not on point [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► yeah it's like that it's like the guy in [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the foxcatcher yeah exactly what I was [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► just thinking that has John husband [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► called him Fox wrestler [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► oh uh weird movie [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► yeah a little fox wrestler guy and you [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► know here's this guy who's who's [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► obviously very troubled and not even one [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► hundred percent all marbles accounted [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► for but he's got he's got 15 people [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► working for him and his daily [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► correspondence is being catalog [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► somewhere so anyway eat let's eat better [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► exercise meditate but but last night I [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► had a root beer float which is the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► opposite of eat better exercise and [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► meditate although there's a meditative [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► quality to a root beer float dommage the [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings ice I assume I've [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► started anything i'm just calling second [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► dinner so sometimes i'm out of sync [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► first of all as you know my family [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► snacks my family has never set down to [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► an actual meal they just delete things [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► out of bags all day whereas i like to [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► sit down and eat and I'm the weirdo in [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that case sometimes i'll have like a [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► light snack like dinner with my family [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► and then mentor best friend [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I'm thinking well don't really have time [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► to watch the rest of this wrestling [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► documentary and then I should really [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► should get to bed last night i'm a [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► corned beef hash [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► oh you and I are two birds of a feather [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I was laying in bed i was as at [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► eleven-fifteen and we can be patched i [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► was in bed and had already gone to sleep [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► and woke up because in my dream I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► started dreaming about the greys down [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► now and then and then dreaming bad i [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► don't remember whether I was dreaming [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that that the possum that lives in my [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► attic wasn't a possum but was really [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► like a little gray that had just been [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► living in the attic for the last six [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► months or what it was but I started to i [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► started to dream about the greys and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► then of course my room is populated with [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► beeping at me from behind things and so [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► I woke up out of a dead sleep and i was [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► like huh it was about 12 30 because now [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► i am a person that goes to bed before 12 [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► 30 i'm a person that goes to bed long [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► enough for 1230 that i can go to sleep [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► have a dream about the greys and still [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► wake up by twelve-thirty well that's the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► worst and so I went downstairs and I ate [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► a hot link and like half a pound of [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► brisket and did a crossword puzzle and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► then by 1 30 i mean i can tell you [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► that's the best way to get back to sleep [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► appleone brisket I was like full of hot [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► link and brisket and halfway through the [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► sunday crossword puzzles i was like what [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► am i doing [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► Jesus Christ there aren't Gray's living [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► in your attic go back to sleep and so I [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► went back to sleep full of that food and [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► now here I am talking to you and you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► talking to me and we are both still full [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► of that food i presume [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► oh no this is your you you're absolutely [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► dead on i mean i made so another dingus [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► that we have in the kitchen that we like [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► to use is this like a slow cooker and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► mrs. so you put in you by E by the giant [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► corn beef in a bag comes with a little [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► you know grinding or whatever comes in a [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► little it's got a little thing with the [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► seeds and stuff you put that in all you [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► do is you drop that in this pot and [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► cover with water you put the lid on and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► cook on low for 10 hours when it comes [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► out you've got [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► a giant-ass corned beef brisket mm and [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► so that I took about half of that but [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► probably about at least at least two [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► pounds of cooked brisket I i cooked in a [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► giant giant panda thought to myself this [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► is great [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► I'll have corned beef four days four [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► days you get this if that the guy I was [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► thinking I should have used a larger pan [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► we don't have a larger pan we need a [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► larger pan to accommodate the amount of [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► corned beef i'm making it i'm going to [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► enjoy for it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► probably the one week's time after I was [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► done with my seconds on second dinner I [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► i had about Z filled half of a quart [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► ziploc bag all gone [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah what I i was thinking about [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► this the other day that that the one [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► thing that people of all races creeds [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► religions and nationalities the one [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► thing that would bring peace to the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► world is if you just gathered all the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► Warriors together and introduce the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► topic how do you best cook a brisket [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► because cooking a brisket is a thing [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► that I can't think of a single culture [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► that doesn't have an opinion about [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► cooking a brisket right I guess except [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► for hindus hindus probably aren't going [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► to join in that conversation but you [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► know but they have an opinion which is [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► to not do it to not do it right but I [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► mean think about what about you put [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► everybody together in room and they're [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► all mad and they're all da and then it's [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like wait a minute there's that we have [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► a brisket here that needs cooking and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► didn't feel quite a lot of contentious [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► discussion about how to cook it but i [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► think what you do in that case is you [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► bring out a whole bunch of briskets and [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► you say you know what let's let's [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► everybody cooked their brisket the way [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► they you know we'll get all the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► resources here everybody gets that gets [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► their different style of of cooker and [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► seasoning and you get a couple of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► assistants and then everybody cooks [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► their brisket by that point the what [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► everybody was mad about it would fade in [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► fade like it's like Top Chef meets [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► McLaughlin group you get everybody [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► together and we're all gonna every every [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► week we're going to cook some kind of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► food and you make it the way that you [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► make it you make it the way you make who [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and then we and then we all share it and [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► have a big meal together but you know [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the thing is it has i think it has to be [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► a brisket because the brisket is the you [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► know the brisket is the hub of the food [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► wheel right i mean more than one [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► potatoes [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► yeah i mean what ever you ever have a [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► lab like a potato in chinese food good [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► point right but but you're gonna find [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► some equivalent of a brisket LOL [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► absolutely the guy like a clay pot or [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► yeah uh-huh so you so I think the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► brisket is the because one is what it [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► was a brisket it's like a tough [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► unlovable piece of meat that everybody [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► has figured out in their various [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► cultures much less different ways to [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► soften and palatable some of it with [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► sugary saw some of it with long slow see [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► this is make it past the piece I'm [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► saying brisket is a path to peace [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► hmm damn Benjamin said something that i [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► agree with aah [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► we have evidence for once he says he [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► says coffee for him the first cup of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► coffee gives him just enough energy to [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► make the second cup of coffee [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► well right but you know I get to that [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► second cup of coffee feeling good and [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► then like tip over into the third cup of [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► coffee and I need a nap [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► the animal and this is the problem with [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► post-it note is that you're right [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► all of our options have been exhausted [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► except for the obvious and correct one [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► yeah which is that it's like here's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► here's here's what here's what you're [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► facing as you as you are as you walk [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► slowly trudged in your slippers toward [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► 50 is that you know you gotta do all [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► those things got quit everything you [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► know you gotta start you guys are eating [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like a normal person you gotta exercise [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► sleep [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► basically you have to change your entire [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► life into a series of extremely dull [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► consistencies in order to achieve a [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► baseline level of normal energy and if [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you do any of those things wrong you're [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► just gonna die now you know I I realized [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► something about being in your teens and [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► twenties a long time ago I may have even [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► realized it when I was still in my [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► twenties but that is that in your teens [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► and twenties you are afforded several [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► opportunities to glimpse not just [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► glimpse but but for a brief period [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► experience the feeling of having [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► achieved some level of transcendence or [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► enlightenment you know when you are [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► young [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► uh-huh for whatever reason the book the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► course of life of Ford's you these brief [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► shining explosive moments of either like [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► heightened consciousness tremendous [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► revelation like physical sort of [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► completeness or you know like an editor [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► and the first time that you do certain [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► kinds of drugs the first time you have [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► certain kinds of athletic experiences [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► the first time you have certain kinds of [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► sexual experiences you are given a [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► glimpse through the cloud of what it is [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► not just to see it but what is really [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► like to live somewhere way up the ladder [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► and so you then make the mistake of [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► thinking that it was that it was that [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► set of conditions or that particular [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► experience and you keep going back and [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► trying to duplicate that experience to [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► get back to the it's not the experience [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► was so great but you you were you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► arrived way up the ladder and you want [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► to get back there and the the tragic [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► lesson is that the only way to get up [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► that ladder and stay for any length of [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► time is to climate and see if the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► climbing that releases that elation and [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► discovery [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► it's the climbing but if you weren't [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► ever you know if you were never allowed [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► that that momentary turisticos you half [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► an hour up the ladder you wouldn't know [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► it was there you wouldn't know there was [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► something to seek and so in that sense [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► it makes sense that we are given that [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► that little moment but the problem is [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► that there isn't any way to get up that [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► ladder except to climate rung by rung [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► and do the work and put in the time and [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► and and make the progress and yet most [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► of us myself included [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► you know spend [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► decades trying to figure out if there's [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► a little pill or some kind of five [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► minutes a day exercise or some sort of [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► combination of raw vegetables and no [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► gluten or just to get you know just even [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► to get up two rungs [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► uh-huh on this endless cloud ladder and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► instead you just keep coming you just [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► you wake up every day you're at the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► bottom of this thing and you look at [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that yellow post-it note that says eat [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► better exercise meditate you go fucking [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► come on something somebody rock music [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► where are you [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah and the other thing that's a [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► yes I totally agree and there's another [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► like very obvious and yet still dawning [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► realization for me it's one of those [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► things that's been hiding in plain sight [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► for my entire life and I'm finally [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► realizing and trying to get better [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► accepting this and this will reveal that [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I am in fact a terrible person but [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► that's part of the process of climbing [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the two step ladder you know it's I [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► think one starts to realize the [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► limitations of living for yourself of [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► living for oneself is part of the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► problem and this may be this ties into [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► one of those ericsson stages of [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► development or something but but you [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► know as you start to think about all of [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► the things that are difficult and it's [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you know I don't know for some reason is [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► going through my mind yesterday when we [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► stop by safeway and the the Giants [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► safely in the castro and why I had to [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► exercise some serious keep moving and [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► get out of the way with my kid because [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► there are dozens and dozens of people in [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► their twenties and thirties running [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► around with bottles of wine look [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► incredibly stressed out and I was saying [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► honey you've got to move out of these [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► were these people's way they are young [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and they want to get to a party and they [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► will kill you because nothing there [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► there there's such serious social [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► activity self-focused social activity [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► going on [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► ironically enough and I was actually [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► thinking like first of all I just find [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► young people insufferable so much of the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► time now it's really weird I I feel like [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► I when I'm not just really an old man [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► I'm an old man who finds a lot of lot of [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► young people insufferable because [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► there's such as such a a joyful level of [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► self involvement and I you know so [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► anyway you can of course said that two [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► of two million ways of trying to [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► understand the world but you know when [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you look at something like that I hate [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► to say this but you look at the exercise [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► more eat better get sleep meditate all [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► that kind of stuff posted notes in your [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► life and you say that's that's really [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► boring and not that fun especially if [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it's for you because for you for me [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► we want the pill we want the the glass [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► of something or the mug of something or [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► the you know or the or the cyborg [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► attachment that will they allow me to [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► have some kind of like meaningful level [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► of energy [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► it's when you start thinking though you [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► know what I have to really not take care [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► of other people but i have to do stuff [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► for other people not not like a grudging [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► way but in like this is really this is [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► who we all are [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► this is we all have been it's just that [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► in America especially if you're a white [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► dude maybe you got a little bit of money [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► it you can keep living in that land of I [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► just do stuff for me for a really long [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► time and pretty soon you're that 70 year [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► old guy who's dating the 20 year old [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► woman and thinking this is really still [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► going great but you know it's something [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that's it's something i'm having a it's [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► just purely selfish it's purely selfish [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► because I've always thought of myself as [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► well sure I'm great I love other people [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► but like when you actually have to do [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that and you have to start changing the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► way that you do stuff in order to [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► accommodate that change in your life for [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► that realization then everything takes [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► on a whole different tone now it's like [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► well i am doing this because because [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► this is what other people need out of me [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and it doesn't make it any better it it [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► certainly doesn't make it more fun but [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► like I guess getting the point we really [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► except that is a big part of growing up [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► really really growing up which is a [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► piece that is still not completed i [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► would say i would still just love to [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► have a bunch of speed in the morning and [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► then just run around but like that's not [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► going to get stuff accomplished for the [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► stuff that I need to do ya boy the the I [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► made a list the other day of the things [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that I needed to do because not having a [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► list meant that those things just kept [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► I would be I'd be sitting in a state of [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► you know kind of like momentary relaxed [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► reflection and all of a sudden the [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► kool-aid man would bash down the door [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and go oh yeah you're vespers need [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► repairing got my Vespas I haven't [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► thought about my vestments in six months [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► and I'm time i got i'm doing another [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► thing right now [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► oh yeah oh yeah I know you haven't [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► thought of it that's why I just broke [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► your wall [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► oh yeah your water pressures low gotta [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► call a plumber and I'm like water [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► pressure like I'm like yes for the last [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► two years i have thought to myself I [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► should call a plumber and get my water [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► pressure a looked at but that is not a [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► thing that i want to interrupt me right [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► oh yeah your barn is gonna collapse and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► this kool-aid man just keeps fucking [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► crashing into my into my reverie and I [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► don't have very much time anymore to sit [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and just like be at peace and so you [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► know anxiety breathes anxiety or [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► something this guy it's just it's just a [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► kool-aid pitcher full of free range [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► anxiety that keeps kicking down my door [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► when I don't think we've ever been more [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► alike than we are right now [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► oh my god oh yeah we'll get it all [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► together your roots still looking great [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► looking at pictures of him right now is [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► he's a jolly pitcher of kool-aid [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► carrying another pitcher of kool-aid [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► I forgot about that that's a little [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► weird I never I guess I never thought of [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► it's a recursive home invasion little [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► but anyway so I had to make a list of [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► these things and then putting them on a [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► piece of paper at least you know it was [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► one of these lists that had like a [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► subset one subset lowercase a must also [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► must rid mother must decide if possible [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► has at babies also now also read the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► house of positive babies [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► oh god I hate that five um mês me in [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► mice in the garage [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► oh my god I'm like I'm trying to plan my [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► daughter I'm sorry I hate putting down [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► these glue traps I know they're awful [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► but all we need is like a week and a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► half of not noticing this and we're [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► going to be overrun with rodents you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► yeah on the road and thought goes [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► through my head [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► what about dry right after that after [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► that that awful thing with the balcony [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► broke off and berkeley objects we've got [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► two major dry rot spots in my house and [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► like everybody's coming out the woodwork [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► all the engineers you know hopefully [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► commando yeah there's like three [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► different problems with that like that [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► was not properly vented that's dry rot [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► is too much moisture right there that's [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► oh yeah that's that's a classic [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► engineering problem and I like I'm I [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► spend so much of my time thinking I [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► wonder which classic engineering [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► problems gonna get me something LOL guy [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► that would have been a five-dollar [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► repair don't get a new bolt in there 19 [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► new house [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► general remember when the guy said that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► your car needed new bushings and you [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► said bushings every my timing belt [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► my wife said you know really really need [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► to get that time about like that now [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► it's like it'll be fine Jerry would tell [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► us it was that important actually Jerry [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► just told us it's extremely important [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► and I was 750 dollars i keep realizing [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► that you know every day we're all [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► hurdling at 70 + miles an hour down the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► road in cars that we all are failing to [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► maintain properly like and it's just [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► everytime i see a car that is over two [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► years old that's driving along in the [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► lane next to me your foot like how long [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► before the tie rods fail on that car [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► like how long before there's just some [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► catastrophic out like hearing blowout [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► you guys have I'm sure you must have an [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► emissions test up there right at those [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► you know I get and like you think about [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► how many people go and they like failing [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► emissions test and you're like oh my god [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► like how many more things are horribly [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► wrong with this thing [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► how many things like especially now [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► today let's be honest it's not like the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► seventies in the seventies you kind of [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► had to have your car in the garage a few [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► times a year just because cars was good [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► and now you don't have to think about it [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► you know you just don't you just drive [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► around in this deathtrap [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► I you know I'm i miss the the roads [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► being full of old like crappy cars [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► uh-huh and and the fact that all cars [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► kind of look the same now is concealing [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► the fact that there are a lot of old [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► crappy cars on the road [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► it's just that you can't tell you mean [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► like it used to be in the eighties that [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► if you saw a 54 Chevy that wasn't really [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► pristine you knew it was an old crappy [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► car and to give it a wide berth you [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► swingers and comments and Ltd's and I [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► think about even ladies in the late [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► eighties I had in late 1980s 1988 i was [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► driving a 1973 w camper my girlfriend [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► because that year my girlfriend had like [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► a like a 75 ltd her dad wanted to have a [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► big safe car everybody I knew my friend [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► Sam was driving a 66 swinger like it [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► even then you would have you just see 20 [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► year old cars on the road it was not [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► I i did a girl that you drove a 64 [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► Studebaker and then a the next girl I [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► dated had a like a wasn't like a 62 and [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► it was a it was like the the little [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► eldorado it was the Cadillac no no I'm [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► sorry el dorado one of my LOL camino it [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► was the little L committed but it was [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► the forward it was the little it was you [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► know based on a comment [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► what am I trying to say here i'm just [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► having a total car brain fart which [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► never happens to me it was the little [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the little 62 wagon being a little more [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like a station wagon [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► no not a station wagon it was that it [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► was that it was the El Camino who but [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► you know the little like truck bed but a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► little short short that in its short bed [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► and some somebody's listening to this [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► program and they're just they're just [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► disgusted with me because I'm not as you [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► hang up you think of it yeah but anyway [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► yeah right and they were you know they [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► were just already cars they bought for [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► 250 bucks the thing is that there are 20 [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► year old cars on the road right now but [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► they just look like contemporary cars to [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► me because my I just sees that then they [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► all look like pregnant purposes and so [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► it's just like oh there's a blob of [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► metal there's a blob of metal that was [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► dirtier that you notice i think you [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► noticed the Delta more now that more and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► more people have cars i don't know it's [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► weird because we [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► the we had a 1995 volkswagen until last [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► year it was fine mostly you know we was [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► not in great condition but like it felt [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► like such a relic maybe because I live [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► in San Francisco people are rich but [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► like I felt like I felt like a real [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► beater [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► no you don't you don't see like a [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► 30-year old car on the road that much [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► anymore unless it's like real cherry [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► well yeah but the thing is like a 94 [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► volkswagen InFocus wagons all kind of [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► look a little old right but I've got a [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► 94 lexus overall you talking about the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► ones that look like like tylenol yeah [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► right if you saw nothing in the [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► mid-eighties in the mid-eighties all the [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► car started looking like look at like a [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► like a vitamin exactly that 1984 [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► Thunderbird was kind of watershed moment [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah 84 thunderbird looks like look [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► like a lozenge and from that point on if [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► you take you if you go right now and you [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► look up 84 thunderbird and then you look [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► at 94 lexus right you will see the you [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► will see that the one is modeled after [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► the other and then every subsequent car [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► kinda just looks like a like a newer [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► iteration like if you look at a 2014 [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► corolla right how people can tell them [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► apart they all look the same and I and I [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and partly it is that it used to be that [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the cars the designs changed every [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► couple of years and now if you get a [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► good if you get us like the sebring the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► 96 sebring I think that they are still [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► manufacturing it it with slightly [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► different sheet metal because because of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the economies of scale of like it's like [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► iphone being able to make a lot of money [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► because they can be get such good deals [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► on the same kind of part 1 s is that you [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► get the same chassis and use it over and [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► over [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► it isn't people don't people you know it [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► used to be that car design was a thing [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that people took enormous pride in and [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you know but i just-i I want to go back [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► in time and say like if you were gonna [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► make a car for 15 years [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► why not make the 57 Chevy for 15 years [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► why not make the galaxy 60 65 Mustang [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► yeah right why not if it means those [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► designs were great [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► we should just we should [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► be making them at some level instead of [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► still be making the student 95 sebring [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► rights like you're saying is that as if [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you're here you're saying it's not a [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► question of like that these are the same [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► thing is that the same thing it's kind [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► of ugly symptoms come in and just not [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► you know yeah and I'm thinking about [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► like how excited people used to be when [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► the new new cars would come out it's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► almost like the way people are now with [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► complete like iphones or or computers or [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► whatever right [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► it's like though the kind of fan [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► following the people do of electronic [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► devices today feels like it carries [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► forward from how people used to be about [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► cars but yeah the car that I'm going to [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► have for two years [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► well I remember 11 my neighbor i had [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► there's a kid down the street from me [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► named Chris kills and his dad bought a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► new thunderbird when it when it first [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► came out and at that point in time [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► mid-eighties everybody was really into [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► german cars [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► uh-huh and you know the kind of [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► one-upsmanship of teens can in my [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► neighborhood was all about but I mean [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► obviously you had a suburban because [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► every his family had a suburban it's [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► unless they were like pores like me but [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► everybody else had a suburban at least [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► one suburban but then the other car was [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► going to be some kind of german car and [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► Chris skills is dead but bought a [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► brand-new for thunderbird and it was [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► like whoa cool car kind of the last cool [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► American car that you talk about the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► eighties hear ya 84 and that was but I [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► mean it felt very ethicists in the same [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► way that strip malls once looked [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► extremely modern right it looked very [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► modern very like a year [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► oh it did but now that i think about it [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► when I see a 94 lexus I recognize that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► it is an older model [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► uh-huh but I couldn't tell you whether I [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► mean I think if I saw 94 lexus drive-by [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► i would say that it was a 2006 right i [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► mean i just i have very big sense of of [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► car design in the last 30 years because [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's just sort of like oh yeah after the [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► after nineteen ninety it just sort of [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► all went just all went blah bueller but [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► but you'd have to take it into the shop [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► because it's just that was just the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► thing you did [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► yeah and now today we had to get a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► tuneup back to know that's right because [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► you didn't because they weren't chips [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► for computers telling you that tell you [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► when the car wasn't running right a [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► light never came on the only light that [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► came on was the the light that said you [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► are now on fire this episode of rock on [TS]

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00:37:36 ◼   ► the line [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► Squarespace build it beautiful as I was [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► driving in today [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► I had this strange thought i was [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► listening to kxi the am radio station [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► that often sends me into a reverie and I [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► realized that they were playing the [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► music of that my father loved and it was [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► the day after father's day and I was [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► getting a little bit of little bit [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► emotional as I'm driving in listening to [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► the big band music and then I realized [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► that this isn't this isn't a real [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► profound realization but we you and I [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► have never lived without recorded music [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and and none of our listeners have ever [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► lived a day without recorded music or [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► recorded media and so so it's easy for [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► us to not understand how new it is still [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► right but my dad was not maybe the that [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► the first generation but but but but [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► very early on in terms of a generation [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► that that understood that recorded media [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► was that their music and their the [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► things that that made up their culture [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► they could listen to over and over it [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► was recorded it it was there were [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► original recordings right when I think [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► about my dad's dad the music that he [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► loved up was from 1913 and it was all [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► sheet music it required that people play [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► it on the piano or Hank right yeah and [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► so so with just that in mind in my own [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► light in my own family's life i am only [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the second generation in the whole [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► history of my family to have the benefit [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► of recorded music and so that means that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► i am really the first generation that [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► has ever been able to listen to my [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► father's music after he died [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► oh right right that is you have to be [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► something repertory like you'd have to [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► go to like some kind of like lets us [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► it's susana day in the park or something [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah my dad could have sat down and [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► listened to his mother play you know [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► like el con el condor pasa or tell her [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► fat little feller with his mamie's eyes [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► or whatever song was really big in 1913 [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► up but he wouldn't have ever been able [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► to hear the music as his father heard it [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► and I can listen to the exact same [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► records that my dad heard and [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► experienced it through that that you [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► know that first membrane of of like [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► distance and and nostalgia for it i mean [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► i listen to that music sitting at his [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► feet and he was being nostalgic for his [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► youth but it was still alive [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► it was still current uh-huh and now i am [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► nostalgic for his youth and I can hear [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► what it sounded like [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► right but like we're we're got we're [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► gone into a new thing a new sort of [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► unprecedented up like iteration of [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► memory in human experience and as I was [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► as I was puttering along and thinking [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► like you know we we have when we look [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► back in time we have this like sort of [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► impermeable barrier somewhere before [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► writing was invented right where we can [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► look back it go back to Sumeria we can [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► go back to to like Egypt [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► and Etruscan civilization but at a [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► certain point you hit that wall before [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► writing and then the vast vast vast [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► majority of human history is just [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► invisible to us we can only see it [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► recorded in tools and in you know like [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► just the marks that we left on the land [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► and I feel like we've we're just now add [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► another one of those thresholds where [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► it's already difficult for us to look [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► back before recording and imagine you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► know those people hardly left a record [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► right some paintings some books [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► obviously but not everybody was able to [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► write a book [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► the books were just a very small select [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► group of people that never wrote a book [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► now you're right all you have are the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► day-to-day artifacts and scars yeah and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► now and you know and a painting of [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► Napoleon at Waterloo aura or a you know [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► some some sheet music of how the music [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► was once played but now where we're [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► living just on the inside of that first [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► envelope of that first next thing where [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► everyone is recording and it's all being [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► documented and and and my dad was you [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► know he he he wasn't aware of being kind [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► of the first generation really that was [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► going to leave that behind because in a [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► way like there was already the radio [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► when he was a kid it was new but it was [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► there and and so he didn't have to make [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► the transition like his father did to [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► this thing to to a world of recorded [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► music and I I just don't know why though [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► why I keep keep churning on that in this [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► space of like all these recordings what [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► that there's something like so magical [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► about them and there's something so [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► fragile about them too and I'm listening [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► to to some record that was recorded in [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► 1940 and I'm feeling it on behalf of my [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► own youth at my dad's feet and I'm [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► feeling on behalf of his youth that I [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that I that was kind of transmitted to [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► me but but that's still new like how is [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► my daughter when she's an a middle-aged [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► woman and she hears that music then it's [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► transferred to her through three [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► generations both the music and the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► memories and translated in garbled and [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► you know and diluted but also some [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► aspects of it intensified like and we're [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► creating a new kind of collective memory [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► in those in those weird because that [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► will be such it's such a solitary memory [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► and me it's not a thing that if I didn't [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► talk about it isn't a thing that would [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► be evident or anything i could share but [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► but it is that but there is that [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► concreteness to it it's the actual [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► original recording and and that will [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► persist right and and ten generations [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► from now there will be people who are [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► able to hear that Benny Goodman [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► recording and will that secondary Pat a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► secondary like footnote footnoted [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► information along the way like this meat [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► music meant something to people in my [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► past I don't up i'm not sure it will if [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► ten generations from now they're also [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► listening to this podcast order [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► interacting with an AI this is the kind [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► of thing about the features actually [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► does interest me because it's so easy to [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► very quickly run up against a wall based [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► on our own imagination in the past [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► and even begin to think of souza john [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► philip sousa was was a memory serves was [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► a very strong critic of recorded music [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► one of the many people who said [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► recording music is going to put [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► musicians out of business word you know [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► there's if we want if we can't play live [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► for money anymore [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► like how would we make money we're gonna [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► make money off this you know and that [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► didn't turn out to be an evolution and [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► things change but but you're just [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► describing something in terms of like [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► back to the artifact idea so like you're [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► your father's like your people who came [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► before your father could only appreciate [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► music in the room like there had to be [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► somebody playing the music in the room [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► by the time your father came around you [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► had the ability to experience music in a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► room but also hear it recorded but she [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► can watch it on demand it wasn't you [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► know what I mean I think about and I [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► mean even as i'm thinking of being a kid [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► and obviously you would wait for a song [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► you like to come on the radio or you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► would spend money on a jukebox like you [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► get will go out for pizza and you gotta [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► get some quarters to put in the jukebox [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► like even then it wasn't an on-demand [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► thing or you know again think about [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► photos like you might have one photo of [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► your great-grandfather that you really [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► didn't want to lose any there was no [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► such thing as scanning at that time I [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► guess you could make a copy i'll be able [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► to do that was a kid you didn't make you [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► know I mean you have the photo and that [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► was the photo they did everything to [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► protect it and now I mean I've got [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► thousands of photos that i can look at [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► any time that I want and in this is all [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► just rehashing stuff people already are [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► aware of because you're alive right now [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► but then the question also becomes like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► we started to talk about our kids and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► how they'll experience this and their [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► kids [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► I mean how the whole medium of changed [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► like why I think about listen to Hank [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Williams with my dad you know that was [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► on a track that broke by the time he [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► died I could still experience that music [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► but it didn't have that artifact and [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► yeah it wasn't like his watch it wasn't [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► like that photo it was something that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► was easily replaceable to wear today [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it's a funny thing now today every time [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► I daughter and I play in the backyard [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► for some reason I don't quite understand [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► we always listen Hank Williams i just [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► always put Hank Williams on me because [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► it reminds me of my dad but we will [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► listen that old wife beater that old [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► drunk in the yard and it's you know it's [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► a bit so I but the thing about this when [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► you're a kid my parents like some music [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► even with are fairly modest means [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► with our modest means music was an [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► investment so if you you would this is [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► back when you would buy something like a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► Time Life collection of songs about you [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► know the top hits of the sixties or [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► whatever because that wasn't an [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► inexpensive way to do that and then you [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► took care of that because you had to [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► but even that is kind of a weird [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► bastardization of the way people listen [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► to music before that where you would sit [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► and listen to an opera or you would [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► listen to you know a Beethoven's fifth [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► so party probably wondering also is like [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► how is the in the post streaming and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► beyond age like how is the music made [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► going to be different like what kind of [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► music and when they go back and listen [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► Benny Goodman will just be a remix what [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► we would today call a remix like will [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► they ever it will they sit down and [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► listen to whatever album i don't even [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► was on an album 78 sing-sing is on you [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► know i mean the way they consume that I [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► can't even imagine how different that's [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► going to be well and I think that where [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► I keep saying in the context of of my [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► race for a the City Council that that I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► really do feel like we are on the verge [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► of of a row revolutionary transformation [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► that we've been that we've been gearing [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► up for for the last 35 years i mean i [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► remember being in college in the early [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► nineties having a like a wave of [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► comprehension go over me as I understood [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► what the internet was going to be as i [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► understood what the promise of was was [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► meant to be and thinking like wow I get [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► the internet or the information [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► superhighway or whatever it was we were [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► calling it then like I got that it was [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► good that the connectedness of [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► everything the availability of [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► everything was what pretended this [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► amazing change and it still felt like [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► science fiction at the time like one day [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► we will all be connected [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► but it seemed like he was gonna be about [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► education and scholarship and innovation [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► in science and things like that and [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► democracy right it was that's what [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► that's what that's what that's the first [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► thing that comes to mind right [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► it's like anybody with a new technology [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► will initially gains if it gains a [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► foothold it will be through games and [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► porn [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► generally it's not actually you don't [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► need that yes just historically been [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► true since the information age but again [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► our vision for the future was [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► constrained by what happened in the past [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► right and i always i never occurred to [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► me that even in the in a world of [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► completely shared information that i [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► wouldn't sit down and listen to and a [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► record on a stereo right i mean it never [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► occurred to me that it would I until I [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► guess the mid-nineties I remember the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► first time someone showed me a hard [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► drive and imagining that that hard drive [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► could and I should have if I was smart i [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► should have like I don't know there's a [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► million of these but you know ice [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► I i saw the i-pod a long time before the [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► ipod right i think probably a lot of us [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► did was just like wait if you can put [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► music in the computer then you could [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► also just have a and I imagined it as a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► thing that you put in your car a hard [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► drive that slid into a slot in your car [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► dashboard and it had all the music in [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the world on it [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► Wow right but what but what I imagine [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► that we're actually at right now the [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► place i imagine we are is still on the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► other side of the big of the big leap [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► which is going to be this leap of VR and [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► AI and like distributed energy like [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► decentralized energy power I mean and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► the way that people i think the way that [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► people even my daughter's generation are [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► going to receive information and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► interact with the world is going to be [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► so different from ours [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► uh-huh that it will be effectively like [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► it's gonna feel like an evolutionary [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► leap and we've been we sci-fi people [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► have been saying this for years we've [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► been talking about this for you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► this but I really do now feel on the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► cusp of of this this big change where [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the the sort of internet that we've been [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► experiencing as it's just been beta and [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► what we're testing the platform and [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► we're seeing I mean I'm astonished [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► everyday when i go on Twitter first that [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► i'm still going there and second that so [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► many millions of people are still going [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► there like all of the rewards all of the [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► serotonin rewards of Twitter from five [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► years ago are gone like twitter is no [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► longer a place of reward [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► it's you know it's often a place of like [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► pure punishment but i keep going there [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and millions of people keep going there [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► and contributing to it and it is like [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► clearly a beta version of something that [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► we don't yet quite have the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► interconnectivity to accomplish or you [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► know we don't quite have the vision to [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► even see what its gonna look like but [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► it's it's there like that where our toes [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► are over the line and so the idea of [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► like Benny Goodman this original [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► recording it's entirely possible that [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► you know that a future generation will [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► when that music comes up they will be [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► hearing it [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► they'll also simultaneously be hearing [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► the remixes of it and simultaneously be [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► like gorging on all the information of [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► benny goodman all the all the all the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► data about him all the cross referencing [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► I mean they're there they access to all [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that information they might listen to it [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► and and have [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► way more access to it than we do but in [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► a way like never have the never have the [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► whatwhat's going to be lost the the [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► emotional connection to it for the [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► personal in text [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► it'sit's the things it's also impossible [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► and I had this realization of what about [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► 10 years ago now that of realizing that [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► every generation every decade really but [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► really every year every you can really [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► gauge a let's say generation but you [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► start to really gauge that generation by [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► what stopped seemed impossible in your [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► lifetime or you know I can you get down [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► to a week like what stop seemed [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► impossible this week because the and [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► then part two of that is it's virtually [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► impossible to know where or when [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► something will stop being impossible and [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► what those things are you know it [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► because that's the nature of of [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► innovation and that's the nature of [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► actual development of all kinds is that [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► like Tesla is kind of about cars but [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► it's really about batteries and once you [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► have something that can do batteries the [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► way they're doing batteries we don't [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► even know what all that's going to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► change the who knows the way we all [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► started out looking at these fancy [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► sports cars but like that's not don't [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► think I don't follow the stuff closely [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► my sense is that that's not really what [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► this is about this is this starts out i [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► mean the iphone starts as a way to say [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► hey you know you hate your phone [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► how about you have this thing and now [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► it's gets transformed the way I live my [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► life honestly mostly for the positive i [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► mean i can't i can't imagine not being [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► able to find out like where my family is [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► or be in touch with people day-to-day [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► name whatever that's a different [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► conversation but you don't mean that [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► sense of like what what stop being [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► impossible this week [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► like if you think of it that way you [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► realize like how you know all the stuff [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► seemed like such an easy win all the [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► whatever post jetpack thinking about [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► technology it's still not what anybody [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► expected who expected in 1999 that music [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► would be the way it is now is the single [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► biggest year sales for cds right and [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► that that's what 16 years ago that's [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► like that's a blip and they're [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► completely changed [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► well and when you say post jetpack like [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► I like you and I both were raised in an [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► era where the you know the sixties worse [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► j were such a high watermark in a lot of [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► ways culturally i mean i don't mean [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► high-water like that it was all great [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► but just like it was such a service like [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► I can't believe that happened right and [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► also that and also that we almost within [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► the space of a year and a half our [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► country almost completely fell apart [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► with civil unrest and we put somebody on [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► the moon [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► yeah right i mean and 690 there's a [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► bunch of good books about this but I [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► mean it's almost everything that [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► happened in the sixties happened in 1968 [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► yeah including that I was born [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► boo hello the white album and John and [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► wats but you know like the the textbooks [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► that we that you and I read in [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► elementary school and all the way [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► through junior high were all based more [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► or less on that idea that we were that [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► we needed to beat the Soviets to the [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► moon and and you know columbus [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► discovered america sure but but also [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► that the future was coming and it was [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► going to be and Pan Am was still going [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► to be an airline but they were going to [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► fly to space right and it was it was [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► never more than a jump and a half away [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► from what we already understood [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► there's a reason you know in in the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► fifties everything looks like a [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► television you know what I mean in the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► sixties everything looks like a rocket [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it's like you can't really do three [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► steps ahead of where you are but what [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► was so interesting to me was when [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► computers first arrived on the scene i [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► surveyed them you know 1979-80 i guess [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► about personal computers apple the Apple [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► and you know and other than games i did [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► I could not connect those computers to [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► rockets or to hover incarcerator to the [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► future right as I imagined it because [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► they just seemed like expensive [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► typewriters or things that you were [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► meant now all of a sudden they were [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► being colonized by teachers [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► as things that you needed to learn you [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► needed learned it do your reports on [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► them and you know they were they were [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► dull yeah and so although i was in some [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► ways like a lot of my peers you included [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► them in in eighth grade a lot of us sat [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► down and personal computers and some [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► people never stood up again [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► right right um but i sat down at them [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► and I monkey around with them and I was [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► like this isn't the future [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► like this isn't the future [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► this list though literally the worst and [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► Castle Wolfenstein is not fun enough to [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► its not even gonna sit down and try to [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► teach you basic which is incredibly [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► appealing to some people but it was not [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► for me know you really get it felt like [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► the ultimate in like eating my [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► vegetables [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► yeah right super punishment and I [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► remember a couple of things like okay [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► follow this and you have to do this [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► exactly right don't even you know all [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► the spaces have to be right every like / [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► / and has to be right and you work and [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► we're going to draw this thing you type [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► this bunch of gibberish and then you you [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► know that you type run and push her to [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► click click return and it is a like a [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► random tone generator that goes [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► boop-bah-bah paper and if you've done [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► everything flawlessly the screen will [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► turn yellow for a second [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah and it and when it happened I [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► was like wow you guys suck and this [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► sucks like this what this is not fun or [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► interesting because i couldn't even like [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► it I like I turned it off and then I was [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► like hey hey Susan c'mere you know my [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► sister comes over like what I'm like [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► uh-oh can you help me buy you know I've [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► got a computer program here and I just [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► need you do like just to help me here [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► while but i'll be back here wiggling a [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► wire and you just you just push return [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► why don't you [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► she's like all right push your turn sir [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► I was like oh no what did you do learn [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► at the master control program she's just [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► already walking away like through flame [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► like it's no good it's not even good for [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► pooling and like even like in the other [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► thing is likely but when people which [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► would truck call me try to explain to [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► you again the one hand with this is [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► gonna be the next big thing you're like [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► hmm you okay but look if you if you [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► learn this and you master this you will [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► be able to do things like maintain your [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► checking account you're like really [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► that's the appeal the appeal of this is [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► that I could do something I hate on a [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► machine that I hate yeah you know and [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► but you know part of it is also this is [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► a bonus on my ass but I think part of it [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► is also when will anyone when one or [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► when society or whatever is new to [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► technology we tend to look at in terms [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► of this plus that [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► there are some people who are able to [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► earlier than others determine that this [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► could mean this times that [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► yeah right thats that there's that [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► there's a way for this to be more than [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► your checkbook plus a typewriter and you [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► know that there could be some something [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► to see in this guy i've just never I've [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► never had that I'm very bad to this day [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► I still get everything wrong about the [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► future because it's you know it's just [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► based so much on what you saw before and [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► I don't know it's i really liked video [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► games back then and the idea i mean like [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► arcade games that i couldn't afford you [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► know so I mean I it would have been [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► great if I could have fallen in love [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► with typing and in basic but just to [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► have zero appeal to me so I don't know I [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► you know I i can only imagine what I [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► mean I I feel like Mike my parenting [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► style we went to the two she got her [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► tonsils out the other day and we won't [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► know [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah and we were at the hospital [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► and the the nurse was like you know [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► trying to a trying to do what you would [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► normally do and and it make a child feel [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► more comfortable and she was like you [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► know would you like to watch frozen on [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► the ipad and you know my kid is [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► fascinated by frozen but has never seen [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► frozen so you know he sent me 101 of [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► wonderful version of her singing the [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► song [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► yeah she basically just saying this one [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► line incorrectly over and over and let [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► go let go let go let it go can't hold it [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► back anymore great dance floor [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► oil that it go can't hold it back [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► anymore and she'll do it over and over [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► and over again and then when i start to [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► sing it she's like stop know and then [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► she'll start again and I'm like okay I'm [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► not singing along but but that is very [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► different from some of my friends who's [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► who who's attitudes about technology and [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► their kids just like let him have a [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► limit let him have at it because the [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► future is going to be rich in these new [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► words and the these new technologies and [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► so you know don't you shouldn't protect [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► your kid from videos or more Disney [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► because this is just the it's the new [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► language and don't raise them to be a [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► weird hermit but like my instinct i just [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► cannot i cannot a like loose the dogs of [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► war like that and so I don't know if I'm [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► doing her a disservice by not already [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► having a VR helmet honor training her [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► training the different hemispheres of [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► her brain [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► I got a green i'm gonna read on this [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► which is that I think and you tell me if [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► I'm wrong but he stopped what I want to [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► get from you is that there are so it's [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► not that you're like a overly cautious [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► or conservative person but I think you [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► do have a good gut check in your own in [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► your own mind anyway for like you know [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► what's the phrase I'm looking for kind [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► of along the lines of first do no harm [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► it's like is there surpassing amount [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► about this let's say somebody says hey [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► you know what you know your kids real [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► sassy and energetic we have a very we [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► have a pill we could give her that would [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► be very minimally invasive and there's a [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► ok good chance they would have good [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► effects like if that's the case like I [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► could think of like 50 reasons why you [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► would go [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► not only am I not gonna do that but I'm [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► going to punch you in the nose for [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► suggesting that right now right because [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► you have there certain things where [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► you're like I get the feeling i can tell [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► you what all those things are I think [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► drugs are collar amongst them but there [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► are certain kinds of things where you [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► going well you know [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► no we're going to avoid that because [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► it's okay to be bored [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► it's okay to be a little bit behind it's [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► okay to be different right it seems like [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► there's certain things we're like that [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► some [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► that's just as important as being able [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► to read is being able to be bored [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► well and also like ultimately i am very [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► suspicious as I think we all are of the [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► like fast pace at which the [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► corporatization of everything is [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► happening [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► uh-huh and so ultimately when I look at [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► frozen and I perceive it to be tied to a [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► global marketing campaign of music and [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► dolls and stickers dresses soon events [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► right when i see when i see that it is [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► also bet that that that somewhere in [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► hollywood there's a team of people [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► sitting around a big table who are [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► saying the word monetize over and over [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► again and and I recognize that the line [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► between them and the creative team who [TS]