00:00:12 ◼ ► manufacturers association mgma develops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► and lobbies for programs or policies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► that advance the well-being of gondola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► producers building a more just verdant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/19">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► and peaceful society and GMA we helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/21">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► hello hey John hi Merlin how's it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► it's going ok how are you going John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/38">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► thus need look no more okay i prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► that wasn't very good but had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/50">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► prepared i liked it I liked it you sing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► into a rat a rat a distortion pedal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► you are literally singing to a rat right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► I never understood the filter knob oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► it's just am it's just like that passes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► that may not have a high-pass hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► yeah I think that was Michael Jackson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► oh sure Algernon yep flowers for Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► it's about the death of a salesman in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/79">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► I've always found that it was a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► yes it was an absence of a dollhouse ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► let's keep going come on i wrote a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/91">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► it is a green light over easter egg up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► but yeah I prepared wrong i just spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► on wikipedia yes song your song it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/108">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► Macomber on happy podcasts are different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► i am I i wrote a song once called a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► day's journey into night component was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/125">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► it like that like night is in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/128">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► mmm that would have been but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► that's more of a bonus that could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/131">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► point-to-point long do not owe em thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► / long day's journey trying to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► trying to work it out you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/140">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► good it was really good at that pungent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► game is that Ken Jennings he's no gosh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/143">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► he's insufferable usability something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► bet he's ok works on the railroad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/147">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► oh hello it's a it's a it's a gay night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► porn thing it's got time shifting maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/154">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► some star track and you have a journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► into night long day and it's spelled dai [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/158">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► I am ya my long day's journey into night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/163">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► song came from the era where I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► riding pretty epic but very precious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► songs there wasn't any didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► kind of light-hearted like grace then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/180">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► later work did she well it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► graceful uh were you telling that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► moving a kind of Prague way through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► music or was it through the lyrics good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► question good question because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/198">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► give you is you're a great lyricist but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► you seem like an uncomfortable lyricist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/201">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► well uh it seems to me that you are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► mean a team at me that I said no no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► at all but i always loved it i always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► loved thoughtful like thoughtful a calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► commentary on my my work you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/217">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► because even with it what happens right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► you you go online you read fans who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► writing profusely and you read critics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/226">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► who are writing insufferably often you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/229">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► know where they listen to like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► 30 seconds of every song one time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/236">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► somebody that is like really familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► with your work and also has like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► interesting comment on it that's i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► that i'm happy to join i would also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► to just say thank you to our Roderick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► nation all the people who suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► campaign slogans based on lines from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► mhm with john roberts throwing more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► shapes from really good with repeated um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► well no some of this is genetic and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► in terms of what sort of s am writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► here um well I before I knew you as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/265">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► dude I I George music and listen to it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► lot and but then as I got to know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► like I i first came to realize that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► would make that joke you know a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► ago but you you are when you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► music you like to be immersed in it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/282">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► don't do other stuff you're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/285">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► laundry while you're listening to music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► generally write em isn't a thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► you don't listen to the car and-and-and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► somebody who's been privy to some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/291">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► you appreciate people to listen to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► with just listening to them all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► through pleased with headphones and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/300">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► festivities but you were saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/301">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► there was something about me that made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► me feel like I was like uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/305">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► lyricist and that is very well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► funny because and there may be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► element of a crucible here but you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► mean you write great great pop songs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► you have a lot of I don't know i just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► love the structure of your songs in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► way they work and i love the free parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► and i love the complicated parts in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► changes but it seems like especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► that I I just get the feeling that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► end up writing a lot of lyrics later in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/329">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► the process you maybe maybe maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► got a line I don't know but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► like even that little documentary-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► didn't you write like I was in car parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► that was an old song but aren't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/339">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► songs that are pretty popular of yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► that you kind of wrote in the studio we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/342">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► have several like baby stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/343">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► definitely the song hindsight I i wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► largely in the studio largely in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/352">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► I wrote in the statute you came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► those lines like just writing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► studio in the you know in the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/362">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► problems is that in the crucible in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► in the pressure cooker I i produce but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/370">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► but I don't like to be in the pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► cooker it's not a happy place to be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I don't and I can see it coming and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► don't want I don't want that to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/383">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► either that's why I spent so much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► trying to devise a way to stop time stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► the progress of time so that i can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► have four more hours and knowing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► knowing that if I could do that i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► just squander that for hours just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► squandered the four hours leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► that service learning leading up to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► moment where i was i spent that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► hours thinking about how I could stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► time right there's that and so when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► finally get in that crucible i am like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► I'd I do make things there and part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► the part of the reason that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► never a fifth long winters record is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► that I very deliberately and through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► methodical process eliminated all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/425">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► all the corners that anybody could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► me in right I just I just eliminated out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► of my life all of the ways i didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► other people's money anymore i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► need other people's approval anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► moved out of my mom's house so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► couldn't wake her spatula at me and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► me to get off the couch and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/448">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► i found that at having them that now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► was in a round room and nobody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► corner me and that is the you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/459">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► is that's very telling I think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► all the time I thought about it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► I think about it in the context of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► the campaign to like I'm in a corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► every day now and and yeah it'sit's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/474">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► you and I have both experienced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► thing where we feel like on the one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► it's good to have external pressure on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► the other hand we don't want external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/489">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► pressure but for me like external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► pressure is a real it's a big hit it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► is a an important component it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► yeah and thinking about the think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► that we use that phrase the crucible of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► the studio the other thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► you're paying to be there there's extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► increased ability because because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► you you're paying everybody there you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► paying Tucker you're paying whoever for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► you to sit there and feel bad i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/517">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► generally people don't like having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/518">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► pay to feel bad about things hey you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► pretty swell subscribe to magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► anymore i don't want to pay to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► guilty about the new york times you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► paying and and and and there are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► know the the feeling that like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► your last chance if you don't get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► done now like this is in some ways your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► last chance you're going to end up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► not not only not getting this done but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► uh-huh and you know and that was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► thing that I got to the kind of rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► that corner off to because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► evidence that i did have a little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/558">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► my career wasn't going to be over if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► took another week or took another two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► weeks and then Twitter and the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► and you know podcasting and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► charging your phone other all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► things came in and they and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► they also had you know there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► rewards to those things like my career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► at four there were a lot of musicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► that were at my level in 2006-2007 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► kept making music but did not but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► careers didn't really continue because x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► times change and businessman but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► jumped you know I jumped from one nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► flow to the next and jumped to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► ice floe and another and and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/603">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► that was was running from the corner but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► it all it all produced new exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► things and and so yeah I I you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► talk about this all the time and I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► fast I'm out early fascinated by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► topic and to get back to what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► it's to me it's um it's such a dark car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► to try to understand well first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► why anybody wants to make anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► really differs a lot from person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► person and whether that difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► terms of the I despise that were in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► context motivated motivation inspiration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► but like what you think you'll get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► of having done it and it's one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► weird things where you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► successful and it is a little like Anna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Karenina where you can look at somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► who's doing it great and they're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► a great time and people are enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/654">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► what they do and they're just you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► have friends like this you just say they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/657">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► just write all the time look at John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► Scalzi guy like he's such a cool guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► such a nice guy so prolific and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► johnny on the spot to get involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► anything like I really feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► learned a lot about being around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/668">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► guy on the cruise was really inspired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► actually inspiring to me but you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► look at somebody like that you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► course we're going to kill him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► because it's super frustrating that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/676">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► it's easy enough to look at somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► where everything everything is clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► on all cylinders and go well obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► that's the way to do it but there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► 10,000 ways to not do it and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/685">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► many multiple ways to not do it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/689">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► functioning a tenth of the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► somebody else and part of that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► pressure and I think of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► obvious the elephant in the room is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► pressure you start to put on yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/701">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► because now you make one makes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► impossible situation more impossible by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/704">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► constantly raising the bar moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► bar hiding the bar and and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► just creates like self doubt and anxiety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► and all the other kinds of stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► make you totally uninterested in even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► attempting something because you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► like I'm speaking for myself as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► who's getting later in life I don't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► is of all the things i'm most about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► is not the top of the list but one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/726">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► I do think about as well what if I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► make something that's not what everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► disappointed and I wasted my time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► why do I bother in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/734">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► I think that's kind of common feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► yeah i think so too i think so too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► and and panic definitely feeling I share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/740">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► I mean I'm talking about artists and art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/743">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► makers all the time now because that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► you know that's the place i'm coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► from as I'm talking to the city right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► and and i keep saying like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► need their they're not a they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► they're not a unified group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► that all work the same way and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► them don't want your attention they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► need they know they need to be left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► alone they need to live in a run-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► places they need to that's part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► thing that was definitely part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► process and my thing and how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► convince the city to preserve places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► that look to people driving by in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/786">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Tesla's like abandoned or decaying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► warehouses that could be replaced with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► with big bright shiny things and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► idea that in those in those dark places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► is where the culture of 10 years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► now is being germinated right and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/804">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► spaces are actually like key elements of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► any real city and if you think of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► just as underused property and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► there's and the problem is there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► way to do an economic impact statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/822">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► about about that about those spaces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► done that kind of mental space right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► oh god yeah I you know if this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► just occurring to me as a an emerging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► thought technology but if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► about the role of implicit let's look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► for now it's limited to artists but roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► limited all artists in a city what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► role ends up being in the city is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► good if you have true artist as in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► people who are not just not just people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► who are making you know are successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/853">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► at making seashell art that people put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► in hotels but people who are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► exploring new ideas and new approaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/857">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► I feel like there's an analogy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► made where artists are in some ways the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/866">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► no not in terms of maturity but well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► know not strictly speaking but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/875">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► sense of like you know if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/876">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► parent like the dumbest thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► can do is to constantly expect your kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► to be a grown-up when they're not i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► there's so many ways you can fuck that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/884">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► you don't mean like it really is helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► to understand that well you know at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/890">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► this is what they're capable of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► what there may be capable of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► there should be more capable of but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► would never expect your kid to like come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► home after school and write a novel in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► day because that wouldn't but but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► don't see the same person does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► expect that you certainly don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/910">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► your kid to be profitable you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► that your kid is is a cost center rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► than a profit Center my daughter can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► even manage to go down to the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► store and get me cigarettes and I so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► every day I'm like simple your writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► on her hand it's simple American you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► figure it out but where I mean any sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► person this is a strain analogy but go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► with me any sane person would have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► reasonable expectations and say plus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► know your kind of nice to have around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► and I i'm very excited to be here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► watch you become a more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► person and have a future that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► have absolutely no way to even fathom or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► predict right yeah so that you go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► me on this and then with the city we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► expect it's like we're interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/954">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► if they're successful in the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/957">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► Times we're not interested in the artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► when they're just finding their way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► that attracts a lot of people to a town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► places where you've got an expense but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► inexpensive place to live to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► figure out a thing that you're doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► we don't treat them like we don't armed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/972">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► guard that like we would a space for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► kids we treat them we treat them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► dirty hippies who need to have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► homes turned into places where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► who work at startups will have the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► artist is never popular you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► though the last artist is is always you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► know the one that people recognize is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► like wow he started from nothing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► he's there you know he or she now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► enormously popular and isn't that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► amazing uplifting story and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/998">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► next artist is always the is always back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► back to square one right i mean there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► curatorial world that are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► digging in the dirt looking for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► you know the next big thing but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► most part in terms of the way a city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► thinks it it has no provision for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► fact that hard scrabble is the that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► generated and you know the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► mountain view cupertino idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► build it build a tower and you fill it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► with young people from Stanford and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► that's where the ideas are going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► from is one is it is like one vision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► the future but traditionally all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► ideas come from the all the all the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► ideas that push progress come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► people that are in a corner right and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► and in that crucible and then they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► they have that flash that comes partly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► because they're under pressure and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► being under pressure to make a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► million dollars before you're 26 is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► really creative pressure right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► that's what that's purely just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► there's the the self-motivated component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► but then it's just competition your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► it's just ego pressure and that's why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► have that's why the Internet economy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► based so much on let's take that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► idea that somebody once had and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► know and put a cat on it or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► let's like that lesson modify let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► modify this idea and modify it again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► just keep like grinding and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► no really it's not really moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► civilization ball forward it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► trying to move the Prophet ball around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► right i mean on the way into town today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► I I saw two interesting things i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► driving in and there's a i'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► past boeing field and there's a private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► jet parked on the tarmac and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► painted in basically tribal tattoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► graphics and I'm like that's in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► like Mike Tyson face tattoo style an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► polynesian tattoo a graphical stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► with no real ethnic aspect it's been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► know it's been taken out of context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► modified enough that it just looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► pointy lines but that's where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► coming from and then and so I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► at it I'm like is this like a is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► kind of red bowl thing or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► then on the on the engine written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► gothic script so you see where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► no there's some a Latin phrase that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► basically like if some dough lower or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► you know like literally I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► what it sounds like vice magazine sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► but you know even vice has enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► self-awareness to if they were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► make that joke it would have it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► have had one other element like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► crossbones or something but this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► clearly somebody some person who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► rich and had a like a maxim magazine or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► a aesthetic and now all the money in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► world and this was not a small jet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► either you know it's a it's not like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► medium-sized like a Gulfstream yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► somewhere in the citation gulfstream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► zone and this was their choice right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► this is like I've got my own jet I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► gonna make it look badass forget giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► skateboard badass and you just know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► you got on board it was just gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► like it was gonna be like being inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► the Hat of the guy from jam Iroquois [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► about it i know exactly which could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► just climb in that like fake fur hat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► i'm just i'm driving past I'm just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► you know that's exactly that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► the thing right i mean i was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► about I woke up this morning singing I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► like to buy the world to cook and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► thought about it I'm like I still love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► that song it's a really nice song I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► realized like well cokes are expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► expensive around the world but let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► assume that you can buy like over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► course of the earth the average price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► a coke let's just say it's 50 cents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► I think that's way too high i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► could probably get if you if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► aggregated the cost of coke around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► world coke is probably three cents a cup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► but let's say it's 50 cents so there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► actually people lots of a handful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► lots of people lots of a handful who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► could literally buy the world a coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► they could buy a coke for every person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► in the world and pay for the logistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► to supply that Coke to every person in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► astonishing right there are people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► Seattle who could buy the world a coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► oh my god so anyway i'm driving past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► this airplane and I'm like this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► and what did this guy do is he he's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► kind of mean it's hard to know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► he is on an internet entrepreneur who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► who has it was just broadcasting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► aesthetic because he's a badass or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► whether he's some kind of actual like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► owns oakley sunglasses and this branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► is sort of part of his overall brand of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► like a badass attitude and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► gonna shake my head and then I pass a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► little one of those little sprint cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► coming the other way and it says and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► has the logo of a company across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► something like graffiti be gone and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► a it's a sort of brand new car and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► startup company who just from the name i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► have to assume is is selling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► service get out there and really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► really finally get on top of this plague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► of graffiti that's happening that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► sweeping the world that's causing our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► cities to be so uninhabitable and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► like that the the aesthetic of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► guy's airplane and the and what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► people in this little car are imagining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► is the is the is the real trouble here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► the broken windows syndrome and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► there's there's just no awareness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► like I mean graffiti artists are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► exactly the people who are backed into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► corner and then produce something at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► their best at the best graffiti work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► the is you know is up there with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► best art right and the the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► graffiti art like it is still speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► in a language that most people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► that don't recognize it as a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► don't understand what's happening over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► at but but there's a whole philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► behind a reclaiming the the Brutalism of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► of the concrete public space we've we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► have we've acquiesced to most of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► public space being on just bare concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► walls the way I talk about under freeway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► and you know there's so much space in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► the city that we just stood idly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► infrastructure determined that what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► were going to look at was gray concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► and as you're driving around it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► like you're gonna you're in a world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► great concrete and that's the that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► aesthetic and it's an aesthetic that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► practical but it's still a bit still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► powerful aesthetic and graffiti has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► whole philosophy or a whole you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► its ideological in a way like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► reclaiming that space with color at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► very least and here these guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► puttering along you know in their car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► graffiti be gone and i'm sure that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► businesses and who had their front doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► tagged and right you know medicating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► that but I'm just thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► guy sitting in his jab mera koi plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► and he's probably on a gold cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► and he's probably talking to a graffiti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► artist about you know putting up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► putting up a you know a piece em on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► wall of his you know his concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► loft-style office space in down in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► mission in San remember brother i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► Francisco sure I'm and I think it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► to take that is right i would like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► you potentially to write the song about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► this but i think i really like the late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► yes little twist at the end see he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► not an uncomfortable lyricist he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► heartstrings would be like no Henry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► component to it they realized that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► were like and maybe they're twins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► separated at birth mother feeding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► creepy guy in the plague I oh hello can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► see there's a twist twist to it you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► just I just got chills the cat's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► cradle and he's it's got his spray paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► can and the little boy blue and his tag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► on the door and we're going to help when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► you comin home jamiroquai up the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► that the reason that i was so enthralled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► by long day's journey into night was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► that you know that play came out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► forties and really want it takes place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► yeah I think it looks like it's eugene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► o'neill's childhood right right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► but you know it was like it was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► was that really fruitful period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► Americans like letters we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► middle in the middle of the century the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► modern age man that's right and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► so when I think about that like my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► let's say my uncle Jack was 17 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► play landed and they but both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► guys my dad and his brother both have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► told me many times that that play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► described their family and described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► their household in a way that no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► work before sentence and they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► identified so strongly with it and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► know I feel like my Uncle Jack had has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► been trying to write his version of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► long day's journey into night his whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► wow he sends me drafts of of plays that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► he has been working on about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► childhood he's in his late eighties now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► well because those you know those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► were trying to make sense of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► of the world they grew up in and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► was in it this was a one of those great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► moments where a work of art landed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► it helped and helped my you know he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► come on little like a catharsis because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► I mean like a classical sense that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► this is an instrument for me I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► anytime you have something comes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► that puts a name or a story on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► something you didn't think had a name or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► a story go oh wow I really see myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► this and you can only mean vs yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► that and I feel like they felt really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► alone and isolated growing up it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► sense that they were living in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► community middle-class community where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► their friends didn't have these problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► there in on that that's a that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► little bit of everybody's problem right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► you never know what is happening behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► closed doors in your friends house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► those right but but here they hear they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► saw their story writ large and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► think it changed them both and so as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► was in when i was 21 and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► understand my own life I would i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► that play and put and cast my father and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► my uncle in it and it helped me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► it's a it's like a work of art that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► has kind of started to be threaded into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► my family's sense of itself and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► always try it on but I recognize it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► as more than just a like a seminal work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► it's you know there's a personal element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► to it because because my grandfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► didn't wasn't it wasn't able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► his own story and my dad never wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► that story and my uncle is as tried you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► know we were a lot we lean on artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► for so much and and they they do so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► and it's never a thing that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► properly put a price on and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► that's a cliche to say but but it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► but it's something i'm just i'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► about all the time like hey we we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► we have gone so far in that direction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► trying to figure out like well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► what's the value of angry birds the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► value of angry birds is over April how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► many people downloaded how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► yeah and you know and and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► reckoned to be over a billion dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► and the value of eugene o'neill or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► value of Mick Jagger even you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► reckons to be Mick Jagger is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► richest rock stars in Britain with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► network worth of 200 million dollars or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► which is one-fifth of the value of angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► birds and you don't even care numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► that's not a great statistic i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► to use that you know it's all five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► members of The Rolling Stones dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► with angry birds they don't reach it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► other the other the other guys I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► having Keith Richards is worth less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► because he had to spend all that money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► getting his blood replaced multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► times and then the other guys let's get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► a date you get a day rate yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► just on salary but like the collected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► works of eugene o'neill has a value in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► our culture of I can only imagine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► couple million dollars a few million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► dollars and a handful of millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► dollars right spread over all the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► his inheritors and so and so that is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► know that that's hard for me as I go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► into the city and say like yes we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► to build transit absolutely we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► build affordable housing absolutely we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► need to provide clean water and work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► an equitable city but how do you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► put a value on on the the intangible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► things that make a place special and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► that make us want to stay alive and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► make us want to um you know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► help us live in love and and without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► being able to attach a value to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► how can you advocate for it how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► put it up against something else that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► that you know is clamoring for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► those same resources even if those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► resources are just lets leave this space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► alone or let's let's leave these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► it's a it's it's a real tangle and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► of people would say well let me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► clarify do you feel like you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► implicit pushback because you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► like an economical white paper on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► value of artists you know 2001-2011 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► well and the thing is you could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► man there are lots of people who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► artists bring it you know they put they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► stick out their Clinton thumb and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► wagging it and say Clinton i'm sorry/not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► Clinton but the artists have brought in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► over 270 4.6 million dollars into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► seattle economy since march of 2011 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► like going into a you know that's shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► you know that's that's that's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► to eat that's like the arguments not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► well no the argument I mean I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► that argument does fly because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► love to hear numbers and they and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► not and they go oh yes it is it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► equivalent to the industry of chroming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► uh hub caps and pipe and bumpers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► know like if you can package it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► the numbers are what enables it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► packaged into something that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► easily explained and understood right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► right but no but what what what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► talking about there is the last artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► right the people that made stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► generated money and we recognized their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► value and we go the last artist made us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► to the last artists made 250 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► dollars for Seattle that's what we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► support them but I'm always talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► about the next artists have made nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► and you can't yet they have made no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► money for you yet and you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► can't gauge their value by the their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► potential money some of the best artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► never make any money and we only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► recognized their value later but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► can't go into seattle public schools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► say and think of art education as job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► training which is how a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► think about it and when that resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► constraints really tighten its not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► thing but it's somewhat natural thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► go well you know we get these tests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► right and we got out there is not is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► a test on you know Braque and Picasso [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► there is a test on the specific set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► mathematics jobs jobs jobs well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► what's crazy is for me like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► teaching math because it will get you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► undervaluing of the importance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► learning math like when that becomes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► mean when that becomes the criteria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► which it is a lot of the time setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► apart the testing stuff when whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► was when you start getting into the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► whether this gets you a job thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► start to really sour a lot of what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► education good in the first place i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► not just saying that as a liberal arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► fruit but justjust even any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► intrinsic reasons why you won't might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► want to be a more rounded educated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► exposed to the world person starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► fall away if that's your bar right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and you think about what is math I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► be the trade it you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► computer mattock computer maths are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► attracted yeah but math i mean the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► the many atheists listening to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► program who live in Brandenburg or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► somewhere it around Lake balitaan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► hungry i know that they're out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► they're going to see the four doors from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► here if they're going to objected this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► but you know math is the language of God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► right it's that it's you look over God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► shoulder for a moment and I got you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► Richard Dawkins and by god I mean all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► the all of the uncaused causes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► random reverse movers all the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► first movers all the negative numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and and so you know it is it is both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► human thought technology math I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► it's a thought technology but also it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► an uncovering it is a discovery of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► thing it is a school discovery of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► first principle and to equate that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► like to equate learning that with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► developing some skills that are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► going to help you later in life as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► opposed to like should we not all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► thinking about this all the time should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► not math and higher math and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► implications of math not be on our minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► all the time because they they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► we should be looking at everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► through a lens of math because it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► only reason that that the things we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► built our standing and it's the that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► far as i can tell the only coherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► like fabric to explain any kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► almost everything comes down to math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► right and that's it and it's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► it's beautiful poetry and and and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► certain at the level of molecular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► biology or or a particle physics or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► know like it all is this unified theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► struggling to do to find are struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► to reconcile with gravity and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► should be at a certain level like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► temple we should go to that all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► every week or every day and say wow who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► we've really you know we've really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► figured out a lot in recent memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► just in the last hundred wherein also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► refigured things out that's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► just that's the neat thing about science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► that we are always trying to say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► did I get that right yeah let's keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► checking that right and so then you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► into the schools and you imagine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► all the constraints on people even ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► who feel that poetry and go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► teaching full of that that poetry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► then you know requiring them to Governor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► to teach in prose and little by little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► you just drain that poetry out of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► those experiences and kids are sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► there and they're just like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► prison and and it's almost unavoidable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► in the pressures from parents like is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► going to make it is she going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► good she going to be a good human is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► going to get through to the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► well can't catch up in yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► there's this couple things on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► interesting and I you know I grew up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Cincinnati where we had a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► public school system and and yes i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► sorry there is about to be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► of bagging on Florida coming in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► now let me just ask before you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► I mean I'm and I think I know the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► but did you carry a giant comb with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► handle sticking out of your back pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► yeah good come did you carry and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► not a monster no especially on well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► here's the thing is well I'm glad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► asked this question John when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► younger at home a family would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► large goody com something on the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► of maybe you know six six to eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► inches right right and then there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► new thought technology in the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► eighties where they made him small you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► can put in your pocket and that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► stick out of your right back pocket of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► your of your Levi's a quarter eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► you're right back pocket let me I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► be more clear gonna comb right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► pocket times facing in facing toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► your seam i have pre cisely the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► same mental picture you'll never have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► your left pocket and you never had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► time facing out no come on my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► well memory come from the problem is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► never had a goodie calm and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► and remember whoa we aspire to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► good kind did I aspired to have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► command of the problem was i guess like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► couldn't keep from losing things or my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► mom never recognize is why we can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► my mom would buy me one of those combs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► that you would find in a men's room more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► than once they were like that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► oh yeah you know in a jar of a light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► blue just an actor I'm not gonna carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► one of those around us that we secure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► comes to carry come around he does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► yea big come with the handle sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► out and come on the one hand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► Cincinnati school system was a risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► because it was terrific i mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► is maybe this might have just been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► time and the place but whatever any case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► i can say is that making the jump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► then going to public school in Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► was a was a very different thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► I've said this numerous times in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► past and i don't mean to be disparaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► because it's hard to do things but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► generally anything like this but in sin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► ti I don't think we did I love that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► okay well this is this is a you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► you like to say the sun coast of florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► in nineteen so I didn't go to seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► grade in public schools but those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► did go to grips of sounds great in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► junior high school so its seventh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► vocational tracks you have you how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► can take a health class you can take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► marketing you can take graphic arts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► that's called drafting back then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► take wood shop you can take metal shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► and so on and so forth and those were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► really like you by eighth grade when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► went there you had to take at least one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► of these trade classes now the year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► i missed the year before every seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► grader in at least in pasco county had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► to go through some of the complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► wheel which is where you spent two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► in each other vocational classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► Oh which on the one hand is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► brilliant idea because it's it's nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► have exposure to all those who make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► lamp you make a toolbox you do all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► stuff you know you learn to sell pencils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► at the school store you learn to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► t-square etc etc on the face with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► cool but I remember even then having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► feeling that I later greatly expanded as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► I got older that you start we have the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► think we all have that day it comes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► different ages but you start to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► schools not just about teaching me math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and english and science you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► you're very young maybe you figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► schools kind of about teaching me to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► mmm stand in line but by the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► gets really hairy because by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► you get to junior high your before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► really transition into the whole like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► your stuff you need to learn for college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► is this weird period we're almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► everything you're exposed to in junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► high is about following rules and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► yeah I think that's kind of what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► and I think we don't we don't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► although we kind of realized that while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► place with good schools tend to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► better results isn't that a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► coincidence but I just remember feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► at the time that like in that instance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► you know and this is even still when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► had music classes this isn't even still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► when we had art classes which now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► kind of like little side things in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► public school not like a main thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► don't get you don't get PE math or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► excuse me okpe art and music every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► it's something you go and do like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► assembly anyhow that was one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► really struck me and so I mean I not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► that that's a bad thing put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► different way I should be feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► it was like a starlet felt Stalinist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► a sense of like everybody remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► we were kids and you'd say like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► know in the Soviet Union you get a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► when you're 12 years old that decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► what you do for the rest of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► right and i can remember feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► well this test message here is like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► the suburban kids that can pull it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and make it into algebra algebra algebra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► like we know they're going to be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► ok we know what track their on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► about these other kids they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► coming in as much like they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► learn how to make a toolbox sweater a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► yeah so anyway I don't give me thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► on that but that that was a thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► occurred to me but the larger larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► point I want to get the part two is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► I'm gonna play the race card a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► bit when we talk about things like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► this a community that is friendly to art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► and artists is this a community where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► there's enough is enough room in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► lower middle class for people to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► here without having a full-time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► about having a typical career bases full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► time job and do interesting things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► know how you put a value on that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► how do you here's the thing though how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► do you put a value on diversity and bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► I mean do I mean every kind of diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► right i think the first kind diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► is are you around people that are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► your same race and gender but are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► also around are you around people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► are different differing economic classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and backgrounds have more locked in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► less locked in futures you know what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► mean and i guess i feel like in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► the same way maybe as the artist issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► is this deeper issue of well we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► really notice diversity until it's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► until it's quote-unquote like under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► control but i can tell you times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► donuts that moving to this town has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► white guy in a nation neighborhood in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► 1999 they were a lot more black people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► living in the entire Bay Area I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► they're still people in oakland but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► knowing you know less let's get this get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► more expensive too but like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► diversity is people at the money can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► okay i'm gonna be kind of simple for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► minute but the people who can afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► come in push-up the other people and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► it is why people pushing out why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► like it's becoming and you know any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► the any of the weather your personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► color or not but it is the appt class is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► moving in let's make no mistake about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► its people in finance and people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► ventura county funded companies and big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► corporations but it is certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► becoming more interesting and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► certainly not becoming more diverse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► it's certainly it's a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► are doing things like making the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► that somebody else was thrown out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► restaurants the bars around there get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► much moved out because they're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► too much noise and so I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► unified field theory here but like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► the same way i've seen this in with work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► I've done in the past there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► when the value of user experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► was thought of as just you know spray on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► usability you just go in and make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► changes blah blah you guys go do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► coloring and now you realize you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► the difference being a good experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► with an airline a bad experience with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► airline even just based on their website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► will completely change your feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► about the company you're feeling if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► you're if you are an artist and a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2818">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► of color and you come into a town you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► gonna know in 10 minutes how welcome you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► are there and whether that's a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► where you can make a life so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► know how you quantify that except by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► saying having that having some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► diversity as much as the economy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► people compare like makes it a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► well the the the tendency are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► west coast and I think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► tendency increasingly everywhere is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► practice liberalism in a in a very sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► liberalism right and what that ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► looking like is that diversity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► welcomed as long as it's within the well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► as long as it's within the confines of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► bourgeois values and culture right so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► welcome all people into our bushwa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► envelope of values what we do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► understand how to do is to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► opportunities for people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► trying to who you know who are trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► move into a booj wall state but who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► at literally struggling to survive or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► literally struggling to just you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► remain right just to remain in place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► not be displaced from their own homes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► and communities and so Seattle has a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► government diversity and you know in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► the in like public hiring and I mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► we have tried and tried and tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► but we still don't understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► important it is that neighborhoods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► remain intact or that they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► that for a young white artists living on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► Capitol Hill the experiences incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► different than that from that of a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► black artist living in the central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► district and you know that that feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► of like great work comes from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► backed into a corner but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► certain point where you're backed into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► the corner and and either under threat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► of violence or just right you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► know like there is no corner for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► because it's um you know you're backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► into an i think that distinction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► utterly lost on some people that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► is a distinction between having a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► where you can struggle to make friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► don't make it and a place where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► typical rent is five times what anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► yeah really big difference and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► you know I think a lot of a lot of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► kids who are making art and music like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► schlep around in the town and they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► know and they they walked from dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► doorway to dark doorway and they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► like they are living a rough and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► living a dangerous downtown life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► that informs their art and character but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► when the police slowly cruise by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► look them up and down and they stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► there in their dark door when they go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► man the fucking cops just scoped me fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► the difference is that they kept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► cops kept driving right they scoped them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► scumbags and but they kept driving and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► the and the young white artist feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► like oh you know i'm i'm the grit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► city is really informing my views and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► I'm going to take that back to the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► that I'm making that basically coops the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► history of jazz and hip-hop and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► gonna that's gonna be some meaty you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► well the you know the young black guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► the same exact situation who is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► actively trying to stay out of dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► doorways a the cops roll by and turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► over and and ask for his ID and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► does he live and what's he doing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► right and that little bit of difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► is the thing that you know you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► reported over and over and and yet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► very it's impossible to know how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► changes your feeling when you are backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► into a corner in your own art making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► when you are you know when you're poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► and and are struggling and and saying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► can I even be an artist can I even make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► this stuff i need to do it but i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► have to survive and you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► that decision making and that's that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► that what ends up happening is that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► you do have a an increasingly bushwa art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► culture where the people who are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► make it through are the ones that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► that moment can call their folks and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► can you cover my rent this month or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► know and that's not that's not a slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► on anybody it's just that you there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► so many people have to drop out at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► moment right then and there not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► things then and they are embittered and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► conversation with with the city at large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► particularly in a world where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► want to say look the market is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► market it's it's just what it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► not a there's no malice attached to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► it's just a natural system that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► privileged well and and and in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► like I mean I hear that from from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► walks of life the idea that we have set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► in motion a system which is organic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► the market is just humans and the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► its and in a way it's just it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► language we've given ourselves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► express our natural desire to trade who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► or whatever and so this you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► rampant and and at with no awareness or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► less awareness of the fact that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► the market is rigged all every step of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► the way that that's what I mean when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► say privilege I didn't mean to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► the code word but you know I'm becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► more I guess sensitive in some ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► that in myself and in singing in others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► but in the case of somebody who's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► economically privileged you know folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► with a lot of money biggest problem they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► face is losing some of their lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► money so in a down economy where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► go wrong so in and up economy they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► to go hey hey market right and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► well of course this is the market to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► market is a market because I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► benefiting from this completely natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► thing because we can all agree on cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► this is what the market is the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► that I get lots of money because things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► are going great right and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► things go less great they still can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► a way to get by and that's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► they're brilliant is because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► lots of money and connections and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► that is even though that is the elephant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► you sound like a conspiratorial nut when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► you try to point that out to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► because everybody thinks their life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► hard it is everybody's life is hard its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► way right I'm gonna be you know inhumane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► about it but it is it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► disingenuous to call it just the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► when there's all kinds of things like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► might be getting subsidies or tax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► credits all these different kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► ways that you can you can game the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► system and then still call it the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► what's its that's not that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► I mean the market is you go down and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► to find fresh food in your neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► where there's no groceries that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► the market is the market is you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► 7-eleven by a brown banana for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► dollars that's the market brown banana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► that was a great movie that is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► one with the chloe sevigny Chloe quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► accidentally a ceviche you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► scene I never did know it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► ya know I wasn't interested it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► not my stuff what'swhat's really curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► to me lately you know the last week or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► two has been really hard for me i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► been i've had a you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► anxiety a feeling that I'm that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► behind the eight ball and running to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► coincidentally a lot of the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► were my room my real brain trust all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► took vacations all at once and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► recognized how important it is for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► sit just sit with friends and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► these are really going on and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► feeling very alone and and i was i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► going through this process of fulfilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► the you know for checking off the boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► that a candidate for public office has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► to have to do you know fulfill bees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► these obligations and it's a it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► been an incredible learning experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► because we talk about you and I we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► about conspiracy a lot or the the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► that a lot of people have that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► system's rigged or game door that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► is mountains and about the reality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► like giving human nature how relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► conspiracy and what ends up happening so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► so what I've been going through is every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► I don't mean to say going through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► it's a you know like I have like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► going through chemo but like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► legislative district in the city has its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► own democratic party organization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► those party organizations have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► secretary sergeant-at-arms there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► there are rank-and-file of different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► LD oohs and all these different jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► that people have and it's a it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► a form of organization of voluntary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► organization that that people love to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► it right it they these groups are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► exactly like a lot of people I met in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► rock-and-roll who love to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► liner notes on records they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► walks there walks right and so there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► there are so many more people who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► to talk about records then there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► people who make records right and and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► a music-maker I I never fully understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► the dough the record store maven I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► know a lot of musicians who are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► record store mavens but for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► part like the people who sit and collect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► records who consume music in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► but who think about like who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► original bass player was what the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► Rapinoe like what the b-side was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► label it was on all that collecting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► cataloging librarian that librarian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► impulse that we have ya in rock and roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► and there are people like that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► nerd world there are but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► tech world there are people it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► ultimate expression of it i mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► even like when I was a little kid I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► I was more into like things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► statistics in the baseball cards in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► averages in the on-base percentages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► stuff and I wasn't actually watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► yeah right i would say with dnd there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► there's people who are just into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► the culture and Walker e of it and so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► there there's a huge community of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► in politics who have that same impulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► that same desire to get together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► that then and there the language that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► they get to use is Robert's Rules of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► Order which feels very you know which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► official feeling and powerful and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► have jobs in the Democratic Party is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► is actually the one of two parties in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► America that ever has power so so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► feel empowered right there part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► part of a big operation and so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► run for office and they need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► around and meet these Democratic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► district organizations talk to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► earn their endorsement and you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► you see this go down right everybody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► all the time in the world and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► they have the time maybe to read your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► thing but they don't really have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► time to sit with you for half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► and talk to you and so what they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► invite all the candidates to come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► each person gets to speak for one minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► and then the the group of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► have come to the this meeting vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► on them and how like how it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► horse horse flesh and so you so part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► running for office is you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► running for office is you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► able to go into a room and in one minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► government but for an entire city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► yeah but you don't get a whole minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► and then based on that and when and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► know and whatever research the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► the room have done independently then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► they decided to endorse you or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that endorsement is either valuable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► not depending on how many of them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► can rack up and whether or not you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► running as an insider and outsider you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► know it's but but the candidates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► I mean nobody has time to sit and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► to the candidates for 30 minutes but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► candidates have to run all around town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► and all basically together in a pack IC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► IC the people i'm running against now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► every day and we're all standing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► giving our one-minute speech and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► don't we're not really inclined to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► chummy with each other we are complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► competing but really where the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► other people that know what this feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► so you stand there and you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► you look at your opponent with I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► i look at them with sympathy in my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and just go like how you holding up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► know is everything fine and they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► just give me the like uncomfortable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► oh hello weird handshake and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► seriously though I mean this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► hard and they're like mmm and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► get up and make the Clinton thumb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► give the speech and and i give this i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► give my you know I can't have very still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► distant still working on them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► still doesn't like to give a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► yeah and-and-and I watch it and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► this seems like a conspiracy right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► have to do these things these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► all insiders they are you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► logic of it from outside the system is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► there just voting for their friends no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► new blood can never get through here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► know this is how we think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► political system right yeah but from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► inside it I see like what a hodgepodge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► of accident it is you know and how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► is a these meetings are kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► vestigial version of the town meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► of old New England you know then and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► the people there are really proud of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► participating in the democratic process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► and the degree to which this isn't very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► democratic and all and then ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► the decision is being made by a vote of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► 25 people whether or not to endorse one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► of these candidates and 25 people or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► however many voting not to be too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► dismissive but really based on like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► who presents well given the context menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► that's a microcosm of a much bigger dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► and pony show but really to decide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► I mean is it really just that appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► there's no like white paper or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► like that you just go in like that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► they like the horse flash after 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► seconds they can you know they can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► online and do as much research as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► want but there but that's not it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► not appear to meet some of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► know but some of them are just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► there this is their moment and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► moment that one minute of you speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► to them is more than most voters know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► about candidates right yeah most voters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► do not even see a minute of them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► it does not like so many things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► public life it doesn't feel like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► conspiracy once you're there but the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► result of it looks like the product of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► conspiracy because the only people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► really can make it all the way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► this hazing and make it you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► go through all of these things and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► this effectively are people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► either very practiced in the art of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► or who have a lot of pre-existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► relationships with those 25 people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► the room because they are longtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► themselves or people who have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► money that they can bypass that process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► entirely and appeal directly to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► people with like i'll buy the world a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► fascinating to see like I wouldn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► describe the process has broken its just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► built its just built out of its like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► it's like all those buildings in Greece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► where people were you know people in 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► AD or like we need to build a house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► let's go take some of those rocks from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► the foundation of that old building and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► they rebuilt the house out of blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► from the Parthenon and then that house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► burned down and somebody said let's take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► those old burn rocks and build a fence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► out of them and pretty soon you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► somebody added onto the fence and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► became a little bit of a castle and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► they put people on it and called it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► church and it's like it now we walk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► and it's a cellphone store on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► outskirts of Athens and you're like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► interesting and you know I don't up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► the bottom there are blocks from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Parthenon and that that and being part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► of that processes is thrilling and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► interesting but it's like it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► impenetrable and has been and is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► exhausting and also is like it's causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► my stomach to churn all the time because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► that reformer in me and I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► people all around me say like we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► reform up but they don't but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► even appear to stew to recognize like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► like ruffle reform who would how would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► you even begin like all of these all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► people in these meetings are like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► really are doing there that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► participating with good intent with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► best intentions and it's so crazy how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► how large groups of people all working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► with the best intentions can produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► results that are so far from what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► engine were where our best effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► through I guess is that is what is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► becomes like so clear and why I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► every single person i've met on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► campaign trail I haven't met a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► contemptible person they're all they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► all really interested and really trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► to make a difference and you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► have varying ideas and ideologies but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► they're all people of good will from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► across the whole spectrum of people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► yet they are complicit everyday in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► small incremental compromises that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► not compromises of like well that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► good idea and that's a good idea let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► compromise their compromises like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► what can we get done in a minute and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► know and what and you know and we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► four more of these to do today so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► know that kind of stuff we're just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► well we're building this is we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► actually building a civilization out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► these parts out of these 1-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► increments and that's hard to explain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► it's very hard to explain in a minute I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► think I probably just took at least four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► maybe that's what this is for this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► your this is your venue for that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► know it's your it's frank is I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► think of the way what it's like to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► candidate right and it seems like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► part of it is you know people are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► expect as I've always guests anyway all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► customer's always right approach of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► you gotta listen and you know so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► and they you know add something I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► you and I share is that sometimes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► reject the argument somebody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► have because we can't agree on the terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► of the argument like I can't argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► that about that because you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► rig this and like in order for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► have this argument with you we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► first have to have a pre argument right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► tell you why I disagree on the terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► what you're saying and I might be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► to propose a better argument for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► have the first have to do you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► mhm I think that's at that must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► incredibly frustrating because I i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► i do that all the time also hey wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► minute you would have argued about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► thing and it is making sense we we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► got to have a better argument than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► but let's let's have let's have it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► normal discussion about something but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► thanks for trying to say is if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► come to you and they present you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► some kind of half banana balls idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► about like how the world is you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► do you respond to that without sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► good-hearted saying like we need reform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► and you're like okay we'll give me an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► idea what reform looks like right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► and and everybody has a different sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► of what the problem is i mean this we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► having this huge argument in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► right now about like about rent control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► and there are people of very good will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► who really want to help people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► believe that rent control is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► two-word solution to a pic because retro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► because rent control but a two-word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► solution to it to it to a huge and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► is far-reaching spiderweb of of a of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► of a condition even not even a problem a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► condition that produces innumerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► problems and you know and they stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► applauded and you go okay well um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► and what you find on the campaign trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► as you as you're going along and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► hear people applauded as he says here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► she says rent control over and over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► I see other candidates start to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► get to the end of their speech and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► oh and also rent control and hope in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► hopes that they can get an applause and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► then you know and then that starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► feel like wow there's a broad movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► for this and there isn't really no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► taking the time to really think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► I mean the people who are who are who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► are promoting it have thought about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► they I in my opinion haven't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► about it a lot of other things but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► thought about that and I mean it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► it's like when I was 24 I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► feeling like well if you know if uh if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► no one had ID then we wouldn't even need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► it's like the those of the solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► the problem is always so simple until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► look at the the effects of it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► bend the incumbent in my race is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► saying in every instance it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► complicated to explain right now and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► communicating to people that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► complicated because he is he's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► caught he's doing that condescending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► complicated it is they don't but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► don't find a way to say like here here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► here are the top here that he hears the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► idea right you don't need and i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► think because because the tendency in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► this game is to say like is to speak in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► bullet points so it's like 12345 here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► are the 5 things and that's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► effective way of communicating the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► and under an effective way to do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► actually with metaphor you know is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► it's much easier to say like well how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► I explain what being in politics is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► it's like being it's like playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► fantasy football in a way you're dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► with people who have never played or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► probably never played professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► football but who are experts at the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► Wow okay that is pretty good right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► that is that's a metaphor to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► what I could have try could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► struggled and failed to explain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► politics using five actual facts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► it and that's true in civic life to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► people are like trying to explain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► using statistics and actual facts about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► things that are that are actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► apprehended below by normal people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► you just say you know what this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► this is like a basketball game where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► everybody is on a unicycle and people go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► oh I can picture that it is kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► yeah the basketball game where everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► is on either cycle and most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► don't know how to ride a unicycle so up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and and I think the best i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► best people in public life have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► have that ability and it isn't it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► more untrustworthy to use metaphor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► explain things it is you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► you hear it all the time you campaign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► poetry government pros but I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► that's good I like that right but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► like you also can govern in poetry a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► little bit and and and part of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► the outreach you have to sit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► meeting and listen to all the data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► synthesize and make decisions but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► when you take that back out to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► people and say here's what we decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► that's another opportunity to your not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► campaigning then but you are speaking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► poetry to people and I think there would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► be a lot more people would feel that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► more transparency in government and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► conspiratorial if they weren't if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► weren't buried under statistics when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► really statistics are bad and explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► things online statistics can also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► become a different kind of analogy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► some ways I mean you can you come home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► banging the facts to look like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► you want depending on we know what data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► show you set your show or or or how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► it's just it feels real it feels like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► feels like real arithmetic when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► using numbers no apparent reason I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► know why I keep laughing I keep victim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► so much would you talk about keep down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► few ever were a simpsons fan but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► episode kinda based on the music man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► where the guy comes to sound town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► with the cell springfield monorail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► his entry as he walks into the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► he goes you know I town with money is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► like a mule with a spinning wheel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► no one knows how he got it and dang if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► fuck up yeah right hey I yes I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4494">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► shut up and take my money and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► you know I think about junior high all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► me too well I know I know we both do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► I know that there's a there's a big part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► of uh of our listenership degrees with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► us in principle that junior high should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► be reformed but I I think about i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► and you know at that age I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► shaped like a dim sum and sorry it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► minute feeling sick you don't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► pork but I was shaped a little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► a shoe my I had a fire kind of a frilly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► edge and then you know that I was big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► money big party center as porky like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► little porky only on the outside part a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► small this garbage can shaped port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► uh and but i but i was also I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► entering puberty rites all of a sudden I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► was producing all this dander and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► eczema and emotionally I was still child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► food but I was having feelings that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► so here i am a little i'm a little by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► little dumpling little shumai in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► school and and and like my body is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► extruding things that I don't want in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► basically just essential oils just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► pouring out of me and I'm having all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► these intense feelings about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► better not feeling a lot of feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► yeah a lot of feelings and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► kids in the school are all going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► this stuff at different rates some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► the guys in the school were already men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► who could grow mustaches and had muscles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► and some of them were like me just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► pupa and then a you know like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► teenage girls also on a wide spectrum of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► where they were on that on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► transition to adulthood and how cruel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► they were prepared to be to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► and to me and what they what happened in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► the school portion was a on the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► day of my honors english class the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► teacher said in grade school you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► allowed to write in pencil but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► you're in junior high and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► preparing you for high school which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► big deal and so in preparation for high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► you now have to write all your papers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► pen and if you write a paper and pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► that you will get an F Wow and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► the beginning that this was in fact i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► think the first my first year of junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► high was also the first year coincided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► with the first year of erasable pens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► oh yeah I remember the pic erasable pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► eraser mate right wasn't whatever i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► remember was real-like dumb kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► spooky like Christie kinda gummy ink and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► yeah you could erase it was erasable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► pens but they were not inexpensive and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► had a really hard time keeping up even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► one writing implement on my person right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► i just i would get done riding a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and i would put the pen down and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► forget to pick it up or I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► where I don't know how I lost so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► pens and so many pencils so i was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► able to even I didn't feel like I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► had control over my possession of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► kind of implement but i could not get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► head around writing my report and pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► I don't even like yeah i'm i'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► think back well why do you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► know partly it felt just like a punitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► rule i look in our language arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► yeah yeah partly because when I was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► know like when i would get an idea I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► wanted to write something i would grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► the thing that was nearest me and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► a lot of pencils and very few pens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► I don't know honestly why but I kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► writing reports sometimes 23 page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► reports because that you're in seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► grade now you have to write you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► you're going to write a report on world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► war two it's gonna be three pages long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► and i would write them in pencil on hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► and get an F and I got F's until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► school agreed that I didn't belong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► honors english and nobody was reading my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► papers they were just the teacher was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► just giving me an F because i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► failed to follow the role and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► personal experience of walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► the school is that I'm also being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► taunted and tormented and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► being forced to take showers with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► boys and you know and I have strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► feelings for everybody and they are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► know and they have also equally strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► feelings for me mostly that i am a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► I am a dancer recovered homunculus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► yet the adults in that situation wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► me to write in pen and I either couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► or refuse to and got F's until they sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► they sent me down to regular English the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► class that you're describing where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► like well some of these kids in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► school the ones in Honors English are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► going to go on to college and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► there's regular English where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► some of you may go to a college and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► of its not remedial English where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► know you're never going to get a college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► but you know you're down here in the mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► now with the with the normals and good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► luck and i was so you know I was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► was so astonished and and surprised no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► one has ever suggested that i would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► that that I would be a regular right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► I was backed into a corner and worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► and worked and worked that quarter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► you know just set the curve in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► class until the teacher of the normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► english class went to down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► principal and said please take him out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► of my class it's um he just like he's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► requires too much attention and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► took me out of that class there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► nowhere else for me to go and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► put me back in honors and told that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► teacher to just deal with it and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► instead of enough that was ok so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/4917">TS</a>]
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01:33:49 ◼ ► companies and the and the automobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5629">TS</a>]
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01:34:08 ◼ ► neighborhoods in the centres of all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5648">TS</a>]
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01:34:22 ◼ ► everybody's you know and driving on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5662">TS</a>]
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01:34:32 ◼ ► we need to build has to be on that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5672">TS</a>]
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01:34:55 ◼ ► two especially documentaries that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5695">TS</a>]
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01:35:29 ◼ ► your kidding with fabric wings no I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► he then the US Navy a taught him to fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5731">TS</a>]
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01:35:54 ◼ ► a biplane to there being jet aircraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5754">TS</a>]
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01:36:50 ◼ ► for us to turn to house John's campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5810">TS</a>]
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01:37:07 ◼ ► like to know what's going great and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► always interested in what turned what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► turning out better than you expected or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► hoped is there like what were you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5835">TS</a>]
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01:37:24 ◼ ► other things going on that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► excited about right now they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► better than you might have anticipated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► well uh so in the good news department i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► have been endorsed by the Sierra Club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► which is an enormous a an enormous vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► the CR club had previously endorsed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► incumbent my opponent Tim Burgess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► multiple times and they came to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► said you know we it is within it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► it's sort of in our charter that once we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► have endorsed somebody we don't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► endorsing him i said that only sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► that seems that would seem weird right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► we're not you know we're not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► be partisan we're trying to be we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► trying to you know have people moving in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► the right direction but they in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► switch to their endorsement to me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► that is a major deal and you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► have been endorsed by several of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► Democratic Party organizations and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► going this week to meet with for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► gift for more speeches for four more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► democratic party groups and then stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► there in my flowered hat and hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► they hope that I'm the mule that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► hello I'm a pretty beautiful and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► are you know people are gathering behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► the campaign last night I went to a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► unusual show which was Chris Novoselic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► interviewing duff mckagan about his new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► book and a very handsome photo it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► it's a good-looking guy he's very there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► is very handsome and fit is fit and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► they're both very fit and guy is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► tall he's very tall is he always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► 6-7 he's a really big he's big and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► invited me up at the end of the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► both of them said you know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► great opportunity to vote for one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► and this and we sat on the stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► talked about the seattle city council [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► and and they both said really kind words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► and encourage people to vote and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► Chris stood out and they both stood out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► in and like signed autographs and took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► photos with people and about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► it seemed like 700 people lined up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► get their pictures taken and Chris was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► wearing a vote Roderick sticker in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► Wow which is cool and you know that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► I don't have had a really emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► moment you know I'm we're backstage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► three of us and I'm sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► talking about some the when they first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► met back in the grunge times and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► sitting there thinking like 25 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► could I have imagined that I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► that the three of us would be hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► she's all three be a lot harder with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► three line that we would be hanging I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► don't exaggerated but you know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► making chitchat about stuff right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► you know as we get up to go take this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► the the stage manager comes back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► he's like you know you're on Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► McCready just introduced you guys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► the the crap you know a mike came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► and like give a warm introduction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► then was like and here they are but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► were all still upstairs upstairs talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► about old times and so stage managers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► like you know you guys are on and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► grabs kristin is just like hey man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► know I saw that that Kurt Cobain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► documentary and I just wanted to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► like and then there was another five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► minutes of three of us kind of standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► in a little huddle well talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► and that you don't know enough for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► long time and I've known Christopher a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► while and you know I admire them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► love them both but like really human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► five minutes talking about really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► human stuff he was saying he was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► favorite thing that documentary well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► and whiskey was great and really he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► really you know moved and in that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► like moved to to describe his feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► about it and and you know and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► like if there's anybody in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► that can identify like stuff and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► all the people that we that those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► knew that didn't make it and that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► people that I knew like our generation a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► and it was really really heavy and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► life-affirming because these guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► heroes and and 25 years ago I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► said like just legendary figures to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► and yet like superhuman guys with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► just really a lot of humanity and love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► and and and so in that moment you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► it's just life affirming for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► remember that people are not statues of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► themselves there is it is possible to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► functioning person who's trying to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► entering into the political world it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► there's all this pressure to like uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► to eliminate that from your vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► to stick to the numbers so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► really validating and their support was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► validating and so anyway you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► was all really exciting and then but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► that's that's just to say probably an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► unstated that that's not an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► that is gonna come up that many times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► well write down that particular room in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► a particular way he seems like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► probably getting it's like going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► little bit like like reunion sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► where your or just opportunities of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► different people being together the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► place that must be must be a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► uh yeah right it is and you know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► think that in 1991 guns and roses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► Nirvana were bitter enemies you know Axl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► Rose and Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► got into a fistfight at the backstage at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► the inn copy music video awards because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► Axl Rose told kurt tell his bitch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► welcome to the early next week welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► to the jungle right and so it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► death you know and Nirvana was perceived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► to be the antidote to guns and roses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► rock-and-roller they were like the Sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► Pistols two guns and roses Queen maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► ya gunz roses Zeppelin Yeah right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► time heals all wounds factor and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► the like how dumb where we then factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► all that stuff really really poignant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► and you know that was a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► that was only going to happen once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► there was only one witness to it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► was me and I just felt fortunate and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► and you know just black personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► touched and and that is happening a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► surprising amount because i went to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► you know that we have that shale oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► drilling right right here that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► what people are paddling about that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► over there paddling about and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► she'll is kind of the only oil company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► that is still trying to drill in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Arctic Ocean and they've tried a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► times and they've they've like lost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► lot of money trying it's very hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► and this is their last chance kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► you know they don't they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► keep doing this indefinitely and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► told this ocean-going oil derrick here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► which was built in 1985 and has drilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► all around the world and they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► waiting for the ice to clear up there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► go up in July and try one more time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► the City of Seattle has decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► this is where they're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► their symbolic stand against it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► there's a and all the usual suspects are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► saying like well union jobs or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► don't be naive fossil fuels aren't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► know we're not ready to divest from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► fossil fuels and all the normal kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► business oriented it's none of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► business it's Alaska's problem all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► stuff and and ultimately the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► criticism like it's just a symbolic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► gesture you guys don't have any you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► there's nothing you can really do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► and yet here was this huge gathering of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► people to say no don't drilling in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► if you make one fuck up there like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► oil is you know it's it's frozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► conditions right if there's an oil spill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► up there that oil is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► organically degrade it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► it's going to just be in that Arctic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► geyer going around the world and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► greenland and iceland and norway it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► just gonna spin around there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► don't be idiots like it's over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► fossil-fuel era is on the I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► not just waning like let's just start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah yeah we said we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► realize it's everything it's over it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► yeah and-and-and it's gonna take 15 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► 20 years for us to to roll out all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► the different solutions to the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► justjust give it a rest and so yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► was a symbolic bunch of hippies in wet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► lease in kayaks out there but then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► was a big a big meeting where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► stage and speeches and stuff and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► were all these alaska natives who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► come down from the North Slope these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► guys from Barrow and the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► whole community of people who had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► active against and Warren Arctic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► drilling for decades and it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► emotional for me to see that many Alaska [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► Natives all in one place and speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► about their about their land and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► feelings because that way you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► was like it was like a I haven't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► back to Alaska and a couple of years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► if and before that it had been a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► time since I've been to an event like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► that and just you know the cadence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► their of the way they speak and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► the songs and there you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► places they were referencing it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► really really that's nice felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► family to me and I was I was so moved by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► the fact that that was a long journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► and and a lot of them a lot of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► speakers were like we've been protesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► Arctic drilling since 1970 and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► the largest crowd we've ever seen wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► like talking about a difference right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► are you serious yeah we've been too racy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► for for over 40 years and mostly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► captive audiences and now here look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► this look here we hear it something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► really is moving and you know obama just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► approved that arctic drilling you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► as in in one of those inexplicable moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► we're just like what do you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► what are you doing guy I thought we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► at the Hopi where else be weren't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► the guy about we get a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► moment or two the guy with global [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► warming guy weren't you that guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► that's where it does feel conspiratorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► like oh shit like did he get read into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► some area 51 shit and now he's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6537">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► these decisions and we're just not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► i don't think that's true i think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► just you know I don't know what but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► the fact is like i was at this event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► that was a little bit hippie-dippie but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► when you really got into it or what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► really got into it I was like fuck you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► guys this is it like that this era which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► we have been told our whole lives was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► was you know is that since 1980 we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► been saying one day we'll transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► away from fossil fuels and we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► told over and over again like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► possible not possible not yet now yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► here now yet not yet and it just feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► like oh there's more people on the now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► side now than there are on the not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► side and that's a big that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► moment I have a world historical moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► yeah just and just the fact that it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► no longer requires us to have belief and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► faith that things can be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► because the reality is already changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► i would say that except a guy tweeted me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► quoting my one of the lines in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► political bio that say you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► great to live in Seattle because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► don't have to argue whether or not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► polar ice caps are melting and the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► Twitter mediums like sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► somebody needs to google polarized cap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► haha that now wait a minute is that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► is that the at the high end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► iceberg you think it's gonna end up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► aliens and chemtrails well so so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► you know what i'm gonna do i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► google those exact words and I googled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► the exact words and the first thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► came up was this scientific study with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► all the data about the shrinking ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► caps and so I screencapped it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► tweeted it to the guy and I was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► mean this first result of those words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► that you said and he tweeted me back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► he was like well if you believe a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► of data from a bunch of scientists yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► but here's a Deadspin article that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► unmasks the law and the deadspin article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► was like you know actually on the north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► side of the Antarctic ice shelf it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► put on a bunch of ice in the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► years you know the the the west side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► the west north side of the Antarctic ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► shelf has grown considerably in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► years apparently according to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► article but then as you read down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► article it says but every other aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► of the Antarctic shelf is catastrophic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► shrinking to the point of like the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► of no return and of course the Arctic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► almost completely free of ice now John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► Roderick fact cherry picker and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► wrote him again knowing that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► I said serve did you even read to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► end of the article that you're citing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► and he wrote me back again he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► you know if you want to believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► climate the the the big dollar climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► Lobby I was just like oh my god even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► seattle there's there I'm sure tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► people sitting in the den of their split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► level home shaking their shaking shaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► disembodied rubber hand at that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► dam scientists John you for your problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► is probably your mobbed up with big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► science you know all those thing is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► if you if you go if you go look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► people who donated to my campaign you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► find a lot of scientists there a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► batt theologists and people studying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► migratory patterns of the of the monarch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► butterfly so special interest groups you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► know what I'm saying and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► donating sometimes 25-30 even fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► dollars to my campaign and I'm beholden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► to their interest not to mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► computer maths people know all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► guys such a trade school dropouts the so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOtlxe8/6793">TS</a>]