The Incomparable

191: They Don`t Make Them Anymore


00:00:00   the incontrovertible number 191 APR 2014 [TS]

00:00:12   it's time for another episode of the [TS]

00:00:14   incompetent podcast this one live in san [TS]

00:00:16   francisco for macworld/iworld i'm your [TS]

00:00:18   host Jason L joining me a fine panel of [TS]

00:00:21   people who are who showed up you were [TS]

00:00:23   here first and that makes them saints [TS]

00:00:26   David Sparkes longtime listener [TS]

00:00:28   first-time caller or or person who's on [TS]

00:00:31   the podcast welcome Jason I have to [TS]

00:00:33   admit I feel like I've just been called [TS]

00:00:35   up to the show i'm a big fan of the [TS]

00:00:37   incomparable podcast and now i need to [TS]

00:00:39   deliver so i'm here with my pics and I [TS]

00:00:42   am ready [TS]

00:00:43   don't mess it I don't blow it what was [TS]

00:00:45   right in my ear back so ready Caldwell [TS]

00:00:47   is also here hello welcome back thank [TS]

00:00:50   you i'm happy to actually be on in the [TS]

00:00:52   comfortable again after a month of [TS]

00:00:54   boiling right you're very busy person i [TS]

00:00:57   am a great friend you can join now that [TS]

00:00:58   I know you're very busy [TS]

00:00:59   you're skating and robbing banks oh I'm [TS]

00:01:01   not supposed to mention that part okay [TS]

00:01:03   alright Dan more and also here however [TS]

00:01:05   hi what's happening [TS]

00:01:07   I just blacked out and I woke up on a [TS]

00:01:09   stage recording a podcast that's like [TS]

00:01:11   most of this weekend pretty much how I [TS]

00:01:13   had a podcast I'm gonna happen i cast [TS]

00:01:15   booking is by knocking people out [TS]

00:01:16   dragging them onto the floors in here in [TS]

00:01:19   a bind you with results Jason that [TS]

00:01:20   that's exactly right Dan Frakes is also [TS]

00:01:23   here Heidi and thank you [TS]

00:01:25   and he actually offered to pay me so I [TS]

00:01:26   didn't that's why I mean you're only [TS]

00:01:29   ever hear when he's on macworld it's [TS]

00:01:31   like when you're on the stage i'm an [TS]

00:01:32   infrequent produced yet but you you [TS]

00:01:34   can't you feel on various episodes which [TS]

00:01:36   is a jeff carlson is our other guests [TS]

00:01:39   he's all only seemingly on when we were [TS]

00:01:42   in weird locations all you did one on [TS]

00:01:43   skype so I've been on more more [TS]

00:01:46   incomparables live than any than the [TS]

00:01:48   others yeah that sounds very impressive [TS]

00:01:50   when you think it's I've been on two [TS]

00:01:52   versus one but still many many more he [TS]

00:01:54   shows up when there's something [TS]

00:01:56   happening live anyway just to explain [TS]

00:01:58   for those who don't know the [TS]

00:01:59   uncomfortable as a weekly podcast about [TS]

00:02:01   Kiki pop culture but for macworld/iworld [TS]

00:02:04   we decided to do something a little bit [TS]

00:02:05   different in the sense that we're going [TS]

00:02:07   to be talking about computers but we're [TS]

00:02:09   going to do it in an inevitable [TS]

00:02:11   well actually it's very amenable [TS]

00:02:12   it will say inimitable in comfortable [TS]

00:02:15   style which is to prove everything is [TS]

00:02:18   improved if put in fantasy draft format [TS]

00:02:21   by drafting things in order as if you [TS]

00:02:24   were forming some sort of fantasy [TS]

00:02:25   baseball league made out of computers [TS]

00:02:28   and peers things just are much more [TS]

00:02:30   interesting so the way it works is my [TS]

00:02:31   panelists are going to pick their going [TS]

00:02:34   we're going to start all the way over [TS]

00:02:35   with Jeff and move toward me and you are [TS]

00:02:38   going to pick a computer from history [TS]

00:02:40   I'm the judge and jury and executioner [TS]

00:02:42   so if you try to pick something like [TS]

00:02:44   c-3po you are going to feel a lot of [TS]

00:02:46   pain because he's a robot and not a [TS]

00:02:48   computer and and I was anticipating will [TS]

00:02:52   be a lot of Max chosen today given where [TS]

00:02:54   we are but you know you can you could [TS]

00:02:56   surprise me so jeff carlson what is your [TS]

00:03:00   first choice in the incomparable [TS]

00:03:02   computer draft well a computer is [TS]

00:03:05   usually associated with power with fast [TS]

00:03:08   processing with smarts [TS]

00:03:10   so I'm going to go top-of-the-line the [TS]

00:03:13   commodore vic-20 yeah my my first [TS]

00:03:18   computer the the great thing about the [TS]

00:03:20   commodore vic-20 was that there was of [TS]

00:03:22   course no no monitor you just hooked it [TS]

00:03:25   up to a television and you could [TS]

00:03:29   programming in in in basic with it it [TS]

00:03:32   had little characters printed on the [TS]

00:03:35   keys with the special a shortcut key you [TS]

00:03:39   could like draw things and I think [TS]

00:03:42   perhaps my favorite part of it was the [TS]

00:03:45   cassette tape storage system at a big [TS]

00:03:48   rolling number system so if you want to [TS]

00:03:51   load a program that you would save you [TS]

00:03:53   had to fast forward to you know like 192 [TS]

00:03:56   and then have it start listening to the [TS]

00:04:00   tape and loaded to get your get your [TS]

00:04:03   program on my signature achievement and [TS]

00:04:05   this is going to demonstrate how [TS]

00:04:07   proficient IM as a programmer I made a [TS]

00:04:10   space shuttle out of all these little [TS]

00:04:13   codes and made it go off the top of the [TS]

00:04:16   screen will not often but may go up the [TS]

00:04:19   screen and even looked like there was [TS]

00:04:21   smoke [TS]

00:04:22   it didn't actually look like that huh [TS]

00:04:25   in my head it was so awesome equivalent [TS]

00:04:28   of spaceship ascii art yes exactly [TS]

00:04:31   exactly [TS]

00:04:32   alright and took me forever really hit [TS]

00:04:34   on the ascii art circuit [TS]

00:04:35   yeah so the macworld/iworld panel for [TS]

00:04:38   the incomparable computer draft begins [TS]

00:04:39   with a commodore vic-20 I don't think [TS]

00:04:42   the experts the draft ranking experts [TS]

00:04:45   were seen that coming [TS]

00:04:46   some might call that a reach as the [TS]

00:04:48   first pic de Triomphe Gaston you have [TS]

00:04:50   been eliminated up some pics but that's [TS]

00:04:52   ok I we're not here to judge what we are [TS]

00:04:54   here and we are judging you but that's [TS]

00:04:56   fine we are going to judge you like and [TS]

00:04:57   breaks just like the charlotte bobcats [TS]

00:04:59   yes you are you were this number two [TS]

00:05:02   pick so I'm gonna go the opposite end of [TS]

00:05:05   the comic 20 and no one said this had to [TS]

00:05:07   be real computers [TS]

00:05:09   no one said they had to be real computer [TS]

00:05:11   i'm going to pick Jarvis Tony Stark [TS]

00:05:14   workshop computer [TS]

00:05:16   all right you're just making that up who [TS]

00:05:18   is sort of like Siri for the ultra rich [TS]

00:05:22   playboy I mean who doesn't want back in [TS]

00:05:25   a computer it's like the most part of [TS]

00:05:27   the computer in the world apparently and [TS]

00:05:28   you can just tell it to do something it [TS]

00:05:30   will do anything [TS]

00:05:31   show me a five-to-one scale [TS]

00:05:34   topographical map of New York City that [TS]

00:05:35   i can pick up and move and change and [TS]

00:05:38   just be sure you go and it can build [TS]

00:05:40   things and it can mean I can't think of [TS]

00:05:43   a better computer if I had to pick one [TS]

00:05:44   so that's my pic service has amazing [TS]

00:05:47   networking to no matter where he is [TS]

00:05:50   it's about all my of robbery and [TS]

00:05:53   perfectly clear connection [TS]

00:05:55   yeah yes I think just technically it's [TS]

00:05:58   he's everywhere right and there are [TS]

00:06:01   multiple Jarvis's is a net [TS]

00:06:04   well I whole lot of the next Avengers [TS]

00:06:06   movie action was about to say I choose [TS]

00:06:09   Ultron yeah a robot see what happened [TS]

00:06:11   but you cannot do well I'll see that [TS]

00:06:14   you're much for having us all right [TS]

00:06:16   line Tony Stark's Jarvis Stark [TS]

00:06:18   Industries Jarvis idea and more in [TS]

00:06:21   Europe real and imagined the computer so [TS]

00:06:23   many options well if you're picking [TS]

00:06:25   Jarvis and I am picking whopper everyone [TS]

00:06:30   else is getting their first was not why [TS]

00:06:33   because it can play a game [TS]

00:06:35   Chessie can pick global thermonuclear [TS]

00:06:37   war it's really covers kind of the whole [TS]

00:06:40   gamut there it's got great graphics it [TS]

00:06:42   it's got a giant box that it comes in [TS]

00:06:45   got a cool acronym and he talks and he [TS]

00:06:48   talks like what else you relax with an [TS]

00:06:50   English accent might notice jarvan might [TS]

00:06:52   be well grammar yes but Germans was [TS]

00:06:55   English originally right i mean he's [TS]

00:06:57   also call Bethenny so what you want to [TS]

00:06:59   do about that but anyways yes that's it [TS]

00:07:01   that's the I i have a big a certain [TS]

00:07:03   amount of fondness for the old what we [TS]

00:07:05   call that big iron right you know it's [TS]

00:07:07   free for people who don't know what whop [TS]

00:07:09   whop reason more games the seminal [TS]

00:07:11   1982-83 fillmore game starring matthew [TS]

00:07:16   broderick and Ally Sheedy yes and water [TS]

00:07:18   is the computer that is run by a big the [TS]

00:07:20   Defense Department yes and among other [TS]

00:07:22   things apparently controls our entire [TS]

00:07:24   thermal nuclear armament because that [TS]

00:07:26   seems like a really good idea and can it [TS]

00:07:29   gets a little touchy sometimes easily [TS]

00:07:31   hacked into now I a teenager in Seattle [TS]

00:07:34   that is one of my top requirements in a [TS]

00:07:36   giant mainframe computer wouldn't be won [TS]

00:07:38   without it and it sounds like a burger [TS]

00:07:41   king product so I mean I think it really [TS]

00:07:42   it really takes all the boxes you [TS]

00:07:44   wouldn't want to eat whopper though you [TS]

00:07:47   would want to offer the whopper [TS]

00:07:49   in addition to having that giant screen [TS]

00:07:51   in the nuclear arsenal that controls has [TS]

00:07:52   a little tiny lcds right on its side [TS]

00:07:55   with a little light that just kind of [TS]

00:07:56   goes left to right just for extra bonus [TS]

00:07:59   excitement looks cool it looks cool in [TS]

00:08:01   case you unplug it from the monitor you [TS]

00:08:03   still got a little status we never [TS]

00:08:05   underestimate the power of simply [TS]

00:08:06   looking cool [TS]

00:08:07   yep alright the whopper whoppers armor [TS]

00:08:09   already has that has I think the [TS]

00:08:11   signature and maybe it started the fact [TS]

00:08:12   that that every password that you use [TS]

00:08:14   must be the name of a child haha alright [TS]

00:08:17   no one will guess [TS]

00:08:19   Joshua yeah and if that fails Joshua one [TS]

00:08:22   probably is the passion 1974 so yeah [TS]

00:08:26   I also keep in mind that it's built by a [TS]

00:08:29   man whose last name is falcon right [TS]

00:08:31   which is pretty awesome [TS]

00:08:33   yep protecting our request for that's [TS]

00:08:35   all I'm saying anything you want to log [TS]

00:08:36   in this fall can you just need to say I [TS]

00:08:38   am Vulcan or yeah as long with his [TS]

00:08:40   password the voice that voice [TS]

00:08:41   authentication is is really ahead of its [TS]

00:08:43   time I think [TS]

00:08:44   alright so whoppers off the board [TS]

00:08:46   serenity what do you have i well I was [TS]

00:08:48   going to go with a legitimate computer [TS]

00:08:50   that existed in the past but you might [TS]

00:08:52   want to get has changed that's right [TS]

00:08:53   given yeah I'm afraid I have to start [TS]

00:08:56   with my fictional pic and while I you [TS]

00:08:58   know I had Walker on the list and I [TS]

00:09:00   think water is an excellent choice and [TS]

00:09:03   you know there are plenty of [TS]

00:09:04   megalomaniacs computers that exists and [TS]

00:09:08   I think my favorite my top of the top is [TS]

00:09:10   GLaDOS from Portal 10 that started small [TS]

00:09:16   has a tragic backstory and can basically [TS]

00:09:19   rule everybody in its path yeah it was [TS]

00:09:22   really like that big glasses excellent [TS]

00:09:25   you know what she's funny she's snarky [TS]

00:09:28   she has a great singing voice [TS]

00:09:30   I think we can agree that in terms of [TS]

00:09:33   fictional computers GLaDOS could almost [TS]

00:09:35   be anyone in an opera competition and [TS]

00:09:37   probably murder with pinesh yes and [TS]

00:09:41   portals because everything's better with [TS]

00:09:43   portals yeah alright David you got it [TS]

00:09:47   you're gonna drag us back to reality or [TS]

00:09:49   you're gonna plunge deeper we don'twe [TS]

00:09:50   the insanity agree that we've had some [TS]

00:09:54   great computers pic but there's only one [TS]

00:09:56   computer that we should all be thinking [TS]

00:09:58   about the computer that's responsible [TS]

00:10:00   for our existence as we all know we are [TS]

00:10:02   a computer programmer self looking to [TS]

00:10:05   find the answer to the life the universe [TS]

00:10:06   and everything and we do owe our [TS]

00:10:09   existence to deep thought huh [TS]

00:10:12   the thought team dogz Adams just guide [TS]

00:10:15   to the galaxy [TS]

00:10:16   yeah a computer constructed by mice who [TS]

00:10:19   are actually pan-dimensional beings in [TS]

00:10:22   order to figure out the ultimate answer [TS]

00:10:23   to the element question although the [TS]

00:10:25   ultimate question the ultimate question [TS]

00:10:26   of liking the answer is no the answer is [TS]

00:10:28   42 in answer to the ultimate question of [TS]

00:10:31   life the universe and everything how [TS]

00:10:32   many roads must a man walk down right [TS]

00:10:34   accepted it turns out that the this [TS]

00:10:36   whole process is corrupted by a crash [TS]

00:10:38   landing of a spaceship which leads to [TS]

00:10:40   the [TS]

00:10:40   the question that comes out being what [TS]

00:10:42   is 6 times 8 is that which is not the [TS]

00:10:46   right question no I'm not gonna call you [TS]

00:10:49   when I'm gonna call the the program but [TS]

00:10:51   the original computer is is my pic all [TS]

00:10:54   right deep thought [TS]

00:10:56   got it I have a crazy pic to but I'm [TS]

00:10:59   gonna drag us back to reality i am going [TS]

00:11:01   to pick the with the exception of the [TS]

00:11:04   powerbook 100 the first generation of [TS]

00:11:06   power books or therapy mcintosh portable [TS]

00:11:09   no not the Macintosh portable the way I [TS]

00:11:12   think you could swim with that one if a [TS]

00:11:14   cover of a magazine tells me so the [TS]

00:11:16   powerbook my first powerbook was the [TS]

00:11:18   perfect 160 but that entire first [TS]

00:11:20   powerbook line completely changed the [TS]

00:11:22   idea of what you could do with a [TS]

00:11:23   computer for not just me but I think for [TS]

00:11:25   lots and lots of different people then [TS]

00:11:29   suddenly you're mad could come with you [TS]

00:11:30   then became all these stories about [TS]

00:11:32   Hollywood big shots who would have their [TS]

00:11:33   computer with them at when they lunch [TS]

00:11:35   today Hollywood lunch spot and things [TS]

00:11:37   like that which is hilarious [TS]

00:11:39   did you need a table for two if you [TS]

00:11:41   brought your computer they won't seat [TS]

00:11:42   for you once you did because you would [TS]

00:11:44   think given given everything that did it [TS]

00:11:47   was a transformative thing I'm a que se [TS]

00:11:49   before i got the power bug and you know [TS]

00:11:51   that was a computer was the thing you [TS]

00:11:53   did at a desk somewhere and then all of [TS]

00:11:55   a sudden I could use my Mac anywhere to [TS]

00:11:59   do anything that I could do on that on [TS]

00:12:01   that desktop computer and it was just a [TS]

00:12:03   completely change the world so that that [TS]

00:12:06   whole first line was like the first real [TS]

00:12:07   laptop breakthrough when a long way to [TS]

00:12:11   making the mac successful in a second [TS]

00:12:14   wave of successful product after it's [TS]

00:12:16   sort of cooled off when the original mac [TS]

00:12:18   coming on so I say the the first [TS]

00:12:21   generation of the powerbooks except the [TS]

00:12:23   power of 100 because that was really [TS]

00:12:24   slow and no good but the you know the [TS]

00:12:27   150 to 160 to 170 to 180 those were [TS]

00:12:29   awesome so that's my 142 they had many [TS]

00:12:33   numbers that were not helpful [TS]

00:12:34   this is why apple doesn't number things [TS]

00:12:36   now is because there used to be all [TS]

00:12:38   these random numbers and nobody wants ya [TS]

00:12:40   there but they're much better now the [TS]

00:12:42   iphone the iphone 3g the iphone 3gs for [TS]

00:12:46   your pets [TS]

00:12:47   like for the ipad which ipad is that the [TS]

00:12:49   third-generation ipad the ipad 2 [TS]

00:12:51   right-minded you want that these are [TS]

00:12:53   names we give them because they have no [TS]

00:12:55   names [TS]

00:12:56   that's a good day [TS]

00:12:57   in your heart Jason yes anyway that's my [TS]

00:13:01   choice i went reality all right10 see if [TS]

00:13:04   jeff carlson continues the reality train [TS]

00:13:06   your general Carlson obviously got the [TS]

00:13:08   wrong memo about which things to choose [TS]

00:13:09   from Jefferson it was that maybe that's [TS]

00:13:13   all intuition that's happening here [TS]

00:13:15   ah I got played by yeah my my intuition [TS]

00:13:19   API I'm gonna go real world and I'm [TS]

00:13:22   gonna go old real world because of of [TS]

00:13:24   influence and I'm gonna go with Colossus [TS]

00:13:27   google boise not yes man has no notnot [TS]

00:13:32   the extra classes que tambiĆ©n draft not [TS]

00:13:35   even know only Colossus was the the I [TS]

00:13:40   think some people's credited as like the [TS]

00:13:42   first big computer i don't know if it's [TS]

00:13:44   technically the first computer but it [TS]

00:13:46   was wasn't it it was mechanical and like [TS]

00:13:51   lots of vacuum tubes there and then [TS]

00:13:53   basically it was it was designed by Alan [TS]

00:13:57   Turing and the the British to win World [TS]

00:14:02   War to basically break German codes and [TS]

00:14:04   Japanese codes i think it mostly did the [TS]

00:14:07   Japanese codes and so while you know [TS]

00:14:12   Tony Starks service AI Jarvis is cute is [TS]

00:14:18   fun and you know can help to put [TS]

00:14:22   interdimensional beings back where they [TS]

00:14:23   belong [TS]

00:14:24   you know closest won the war man won the [TS]

00:14:28   big one so thick [TS]

00:14:32   alright so i'll pick drop some [TS]

00:14:34   robertshaw here very strong we dropped [TS]

00:14:36   the bomb [TS]

00:14:37   alright then breaks how do you follow [TS]

00:14:40   that I'm gonna go back to the fake okay [TS]

00:14:44   you're not gonna do really not engage [TS]

00:14:48   yes really see very well so I did Jarvis [TS]

00:14:52   for the first one and that is sort of [TS]

00:14:53   the modern day dream AI so i'm going to [TS]

00:14:56   go back to when I was like 12 and then [TS]

00:14:59   the modern day dream a [TS]

00:15:04   computer is it was kit [TS]

00:15:09   ok he's away bar is a computer card on [TS]

00:15:13   the robot your nice little but i do not [TS]

00:15:15   a robot allow them allowing here and you [TS]

00:15:19   know he was smart he was intelligent he [TS]

00:15:22   was also everywhere even if you weren't [TS]

00:15:24   in the car and you have 2x you know [TS]

00:15:26   you're protected right he is snarky he [TS]

00:15:29   was you know he made fun of you if he [TS]

00:15:32   felt like he was he was a cool addition [TS]

00:15:33   it was a more posh American accent right [TS]

00:15:35   10 you're right here wait was that [TS]

00:15:37   doctor from st. elsewhere right right [TS]

00:15:39   right way of Daniels and you got mr. [TS]

00:15:42   Feeny from boy meets world um yeah i [TS]

00:15:44   mean who doesn't want a car that did [TS]

00:15:46   again it's like Siri 20 years ago you [TS]

00:15:48   know [TS]

00:15:49   serie you know what's the answer to this [TS]

00:15:51   equation like but the kid was so [TS]

00:15:53   combative he was like you know every [TS]

00:15:55   time Michael might want to turn on the [TS]

00:15:57   turbo-boost you didn't think you would [TS]

00:15:58   be like Mike no I don't think you should [TS]

00:15:59   do that we want to get nagged by their [TS]

00:16:01   cars like that he's the Alfred it was a [TS]

00:16:04   killjoy [TS]

00:16:05   he was a killjoy I think that's a week [TS]

00:16:07   pic but all right I'm gonna go out I'm [TS]

00:16:11   gonna let is allowed I would not want my [TS]

00:16:13   kid in my car's what I've already got [TS]

00:16:15   Jarvis so you know if I was picking kids [TS]

00:16:17   my first and say okay but already got [TS]

00:16:20   journal your yes your picture of a kind [TS]

00:16:22   and i'm not sure i would like to hang [TS]

00:16:23   out with either but fair enough [TS]

00:16:26   damn or in not expect I'm gonna see a [TS]

00:16:28   cue from the jeff carlson playbook [TS]

00:16:30   I'm going real and I'm going historical [TS]

00:16:32   who Charles Babbage's Difference Engine [TS]

00:16:35   but the first computer [TS]

00:16:39   hey if they have to be useful but [TS]

00:16:40   without it we wouldn't have a lot of [TS]

00:16:42   other computers max still on the board [TS]

00:16:44   index and the lord Charles Babbage's [TS]

00:16:46   Difference Engine for the 19th century [TS]

00:16:48   yes was the first real computing device [TS]

00:16:51   it could be programmed it had the [TS]

00:16:55   possibility of doing things that were [TS]

00:16:56   otherwise really really difficult to do [TS]

00:16:58   at that point required before that point [TS]

00:17:00   computers work for people there were [TS]

00:17:02   people added up some of columns and [TS]

00:17:04   things like that but the charles babbage [TS]

00:17:07   really brought it around to the modern [TS]

00:17:09   way of thinking things in without it we [TS]

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00:17:17   that started the ball except for maybe [TS]

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00:21:19   all right serenity what do you have [TS]

00:21:21   alright what crazy finger you much good [TS]

00:21:24   no I I'm think that all these have been [TS]

00:21:26   somewhat crazy so far so let's go to [TS]

00:21:29   reality and let's go to fairly modern [TS]

00:21:32   reality at least 20th century [TS]

00:21:35   so when I [TS]

00:21:36   was entering middle school it was [TS]

00:21:39   required at my my middle school that all [TS]

00:21:42   students get a thinkpad and when I told [TS]

00:21:46   my father this he said no there's no way [TS]

00:21:49   you're walking into your classroom with [TS]

00:21:52   a computer whose mouse is like a little [TS]

00:21:54   tiny number and you have to like in shit [TS]

00:21:57   around i believe it was the top of an [TS]

00:21:59   eraser just stuck it on the individual [TS]

00:22:01   the keyboard like no sorry no daughter [TS]

00:22:04   of mine is using a thinkpad and so began [TS]

00:22:07   the long tradition of my dad giving me [TS]

00:22:09   outdated computers that were lovingly [TS]

00:22:12   cared for and my very first laptop was [TS]

00:22:14   the powerbook duo it wasn't the ibook [TS]

00:22:17   that I desperately wanted her but it was [TS]

00:22:20   awesome [TS]

00:22:21   the fact is you know sure my classmates [TS]

00:22:24   could play the sims in class on their [TS]

00:22:26   thinkpad but I'm i have escape velocity [TS]

00:22:29   Nova and I had that run on two hours of [TS]

00:22:32   battery life wasn't able to do black and [TS]

00:22:34   white [TS]

00:22:35   wow so I felt pretty smug and I felt [TS]

00:22:39   like I got longer battery life than any [TS]

00:22:41   of my friends because they couldn't [TS]

00:22:42   figure out [TS]

00:22:43   wait how do i turn it back to black and [TS]

00:22:44   white how do I do this [TS]

00:22:46   oh I'm just wasting all my battery on a [TS]

00:22:48   silly game so i really like my powerbook [TS]

00:22:50   duo and still holds up on place in my [TS]

00:22:53   heart and I think that's why i own an 11 [TS]

00:22:55   and share today is holding onto the tiny [TS]

00:22:57   did you have a dude i did have a duo [TS]

00:23:00   Trafford I never used the duo top i was [TS]

00:23:03   that was cool it was the front loading [TS]

00:23:04   VCR of computers the duo doc they're [TS]

00:23:08   reloading the CR like what happened was [TS]

00:23:11   there was a topic CR it's true the front [TS]

00:23:15   loading VCRs of computers & and the [TS]

00:23:19   DualShock have its own processor in it [TS]

00:23:20   so that when you insert the duo it would [TS]

00:23:22   use the doc processor which was more [TS]

00:23:25   powerful than the math coprocessor in [TS]

00:23:27   the doc yeah [TS]

00:23:28   powered completely crazy stuff so [TS]

00:23:30   basically I'm dressing a transformer [TS]

00:23:33   that's also a real product [TS]

00:23:35   yeah points points to ren shi you game [TS]

00:23:39   the system David when idea what do you [TS]

00:23:41   have [TS]

00:23:42   thinking back to [TS]

00:23:43   nostalgic computers i can't help but [TS]

00:23:45   think about my old Tandy model 100 which [TS]

00:23:49   was a keyboard with it [TS]

00:23:51   eight lines of LCD screen on it and I [TS]

00:23:54   had on a couple double-a batteries and [TS]

00:23:57   it ran for a couple months on a pair of [TS]

00:23:58   batteries and all you could you could [TS]

00:24:00   type basic programs in it and you could [TS]

00:24:02   type words back that was the beginning [TS]

00:24:04   of my love affair with text files i [TS]

00:24:06   think because you could write all the [TS]

00:24:08   texts and take it to school or whatever [TS]

00:24:09   right all your texts you plug it into a [TS]

00:24:11   mac and with dump a text file in that [TS]

00:24:14   was my original iPad of thing so i'll [TS]

00:24:16   pick the tandy model with us so did it [TS]

00:24:18   couldn't connect to a TV or monitor or [TS]

00:24:20   no just it just had its know that was [TS]

00:24:22   always like a week later we need to [TS]

00:24:24   connect me to a cassette player if you [TS]

00:24:27   have the extra cord but I never got the [TS]

00:24:29   bet [TS]

00:24:30   wow so you just had eight lines of [TS]

00:24:32   taxing lines of town and I think all [TS]

00:24:34   kinds like i don't remember i think it [TS]

00:24:36   was like 1k of storage half the vic-20 [TS]

00:24:39   which i think i believe had Duque yes [TS]

00:24:41   why would you even need more than that [TS]

00:24:43   no I want you need no one will ever wear [TS]

00:24:44   than to count that was a great computer [TS]

00:24:47   alright I am going to pick I've got a [TS]

00:24:52   mac on my board now so I'm feeling [TS]

00:24:53   pretty good so i'm gonna i'm going to [TS]

00:24:55   reach back into the past a little bit [TS]

00:24:57   before some of you were born and take [TS]

00:25:00   the Apple 2mm thick the apple 2e which [TS]

00:25:03   is the computer that i had the computer [TS]

00:25:05   that i use from eighth grade through my [TS]

00:25:08   freshman year in college I had a lot of [TS]

00:25:11   floppy disks have a lot of funny [TS]

00:25:13   programs wrote a lot of 10 print hello [TS]

00:25:15   20 go to 10 basic programs learn basic [TS]

00:25:19   forward-backward ran a bulletin board [TS]

00:25:20   played games the whole nine yards that [TS]

00:25:25   is the that is the definitive computer [TS]

00:25:28   of my of my youth that I i learned how [TS]

00:25:32   to use and love computers and the apple [TS]

00:25:34   2e I pic partially because it came with [TS]

00:25:36   upper and lower case and had a super [TS]

00:25:38   snazzy hundred 28k graphics expansion [TS]

00:25:41   card it would do 80 characters online [TS]

00:25:44   and you don't you see him with an upper [TS]

00:25:45   and lower case I thought you meant like [TS]

00:25:46   you it has a shift key [TS]

00:25:48   yeah he yes that's b/ci opposite the [TS]

00:25:51   Apple 2 plus did not have a shift key to [TS]

00:25:53   modify the wrong [TS]

00:25:54   arms and modify the keyboard to support [TS]

00:25:56   upper and lowercase characters and don't [TS]

00:26:00   let it don't ever let anybody tell you [TS]

00:26:01   that the old stuff isn't good in the old [TS]

00:26:03   days in the old days of of the bulletin [TS]

00:26:06   boards your numbers 1 through 7 2 or [TS]

00:26:08   eight nine more beams to it yeah it's [TS]

00:26:11   plain as I had Hunter that you just [TS]

00:26:13   instead of eight we would just be four [TS]

00:26:15   plus for that's what are you talking [TS]

00:26:16   about [TS]

00:26:17   there'll be some people log in the [TS]

00:26:18   bulletin board systems back then and [TS]

00:26:20   they would post things and it would be [TS]

00:26:21   all lower-case and you and you look at [TS]

00:26:23   it you'll be like apple to cause there's [TS]

00:26:25   no shift key and they couldn't see that [TS]

00:26:27   it was a lower case because the Apple [TS]

00:26:28   two key set of the original and I m2 [TS]

00:26:31   plus was only uppercase and will be [TS]

00:26:32   modified it so the tui is my choice for [TS]

00:26:35   that wasn't the tui the model that there [TS]

00:26:38   was some sort of manufacturing defect [TS]

00:26:40   and the the processor memory would not [TS]

00:26:43   get seated correctly and so the official [TS]

00:26:46   apples official fix was you had to get a [TS]

00:26:50   flat and drop it for light of like two [TS]

00:26:52   feet or three feet to seat the memory I [TS]

00:26:56   I don't know that story but it's [TS]

00:26:57   entirely possible i had was that thing [TS]

00:26:59   was built like a tank I had a cousin who [TS]

00:27:01   worked in computer apparently used to [TS]

00:27:03   tell me stories about picking up [TS]

00:27:04   computers and dropping them to face them [TS]

00:27:05   that was the official i was awesome but [TS]

00:27:07   I wanted to go into computer where he's [TS]

00:27:09   at for hard drives so it wasn't really a [TS]

00:27:11   problem to do stuff like that because it [TS]

00:27:13   didn't have a spinning platter to worry [TS]

00:27:15   about yeah don't do that anyway i'm [TS]

00:27:17   truly that's my pic we're gonna move to [TS]

00:27:18   be third round and jackets back to you [TS]

00:27:21   i'm gonna go practical again I'm going [TS]

00:27:23   to come a little bit forward in time for [TS]

00:27:26   something that that I used quite a bit [TS]

00:27:28   and I think has a huge amount of [TS]

00:27:31   influence over everything that we're [TS]

00:27:33   doing now and that would be the titanium [TS]

00:27:36   powerbook g4 it was thin it was powerful [TS]

00:27:44   it was made entirely to titanium and [TS]

00:27:47   here i must be a little embarrassed [TS]

00:27:50   because you probably all like like seen [TS]

00:27:54   a video some of Apple keynotes and a lot [TS]

00:27:58   of them have the sizable press [TS]

00:28:01   group and I was pressed for when this [TS]

00:28:04   this was a announced and steve jobs is [TS]

00:28:07   talking about this new laptop and you [TS]

00:28:10   know is it's sort of teasing things and [TS]

00:28:12   they put a big square and with it with a [TS]

00:28:14   TI that the titanium symbol on it and [TS]

00:28:17   they're like you know what is it gonna [TS]

00:28:19   be [TS]

00:28:19   and I lost my brain I was like titanium [TS]

00:28:23   and it was actually something you could [TS]

00:28:27   hear because I wasn't thinking because i [TS]

00:28:29   was very excited because my old computer [TS]

00:28:30   was really really dying so I i was the [TS]

00:28:34   the doofus that did that but i think i [TS]

00:28:38   think you can hear no longer yeah it's [TS]

00:28:40   in the judicial yes you always any that [TS]

00:28:42   do but excellent impartial journalism [TS]

00:28:45   all the way but but what's what's really [TS]

00:28:49   notable about it is that's the first [TS]

00:28:50   thing where Apple started mass-producing [TS]

00:28:52   you know formed metal machines which [TS]

00:28:57   most everything they're doing now it [TS]

00:28:59   turns out that titanium was a terrible [TS]

00:29:01   and i was going to be real dancers it [TS]

00:29:04   does yours come with the first or second [TS]

00:29:05   hinge on my hinge managed to stay intact [TS]

00:29:10   it got banged up and and you know like [TS]

00:29:13   scratching and all over the place and [TS]

00:29:16   then it at some point the battery [TS]

00:29:17   decided that it would just expand a bit [TS]

00:29:19   but it was it was great [TS]

00:29:21   so in your favor here it was the first [TS]

00:29:23   silver apple laptop apple still hasn't [TS]

00:29:26   gotten over that it all that that was [TS]

00:29:29   the moment when the the apple laptops [TS]

00:29:31   became what we think of them today as [TS]

00:29:33   they look [TS]

00:29:34   you have not changed very much since [TS]

00:29:36   then well and not just that it looks [TS]

00:29:39   silver but but they they started doing [TS]

00:29:41   really interesting things with with with [TS]

00:29:43   metal and materials and shaping in an [TS]

00:29:46   era when when you know all the other [TS]

00:29:48   computer manufacturers were like it will [TS]

00:29:50   just be able to take these plastic bits [TS]

00:29:51   and in the room together and they're [TS]

00:29:53   really shaky and and it was just one [TS]

00:29:56   inch then lunch then notnot everyone [TS]

00:29:59   stick that's real one is then they had [TS]

00:30:02   to paint it but paint doesn't stick to [TS]

00:30:04   titanium so people's paint chipped off [TS]

00:30:06   when all are [TS]

00:30:07   the 98 miles you can get to touch them [TS]

00:30:09   up titanium is soft and become can [TS]

00:30:11   become brittle and so it turned out that [TS]

00:30:13   this was the only laptop apple made that [TS]

00:30:16   was made with titanium it was very light [TS]

00:30:18   yeah soft and brittle my personal i love [TS]

00:30:20   the titanium powerbook to look so cool [TS]

00:30:23   my personal memory of it is sitting on a [TS]

00:30:25   couch working and my daughter who was [TS]

00:30:29   one and a half at the time walked over [TS]

00:30:32   to to the computer and put her hand on [TS]

00:30:34   the on the screen and went pop and pop [TS]

00:30:37   the entire screen off [TS]

00:30:38   oh because it wasn't that riddle toddler [TS]

00:30:41   can destroy this computer with one hand [TS]

00:30:45   while and any it also had a like an [TS]

00:30:47   interesting add-on possibility because [TS]

00:30:50   the the ibook had come out in the ibook [TS]

00:30:52   handle and many people are like well [TS]

00:30:54   Kakashi like white widow MacBook Pros [TS]

00:30:56   have I mean sorry i don't know our books [TS]

00:30:59   have handles and that hinge you could [TS]

00:31:01   either send it away or get a kid where [TS]

00:31:03   you can unscrew the hinge and attach a [TS]

00:31:06   little you know metal handle to it [TS]

00:31:08   I yeah I don't really I don't worry i [TS]

00:31:12   believe it might have been the first mac [TS]

00:31:14   to also have a superdrive as i recall [TS]

00:31:17   yeah I think you're right yeah i'll [TS]

00:31:18   leave because i remember i was quite IDK [TS]

00:31:20   i loaded up back in that is what 2001 I [TS]

00:31:24   want to does one or 12 2001 yeah that's [TS]

00:31:26   like go ahead and turn brought up and [TS]

00:31:30   shout any elements you can do that to [TS]

00:31:31   oxygen with all right good good job Jeff [TS]

00:31:37   they know another no other favorite [TS]

00:31:39   favorite elements [TS]

00:31:40   ok our vidiyum al any of the day [TS]

00:31:44   ok dance breaks what do you have a virus [TS]

00:31:47   or third-round right we're in the third [TS]

00:31:48   rise have the hell ninth moving to what [TS]

00:31:51   they have we may have a fourth-round are [TS]

00:31:53   depending on how this goes alright so [TS]

00:31:54   you know in in sports like me too late [TS]

00:31:56   around sometimes teams will be like okay [TS]

00:31:57   we're okay i'm gonna use this this on a [TS]

00:31:59   sentimental this guy's tried really hard [TS]

00:32:01   you know [TS]

00:32:02   ok so that's the best place rafting the [TS]

00:32:04   general managers grand sight exact or [TS]

00:32:06   not are so so I'm going to draft the the [TS]

00:32:09   powermac gt3 all in 10 [TS]

00:32:13   don't do that enrolling for smaller okay [TS]

00:32:16   yeah hold the bolt that's what we called [TS]

00:32:18   it so if this is kind of a forgotten Mac [TS]

00:32:21   it was a brand new mac it was the imac [TS]

00:32:23   before the ivory amps before the imac [TS]

00:32:26   debuted so here you are here your [TS]

00:32:29   sharpness botanist spotlight for five [TS]

00:32:31   weeks and it was only available to [TS]

00:32:33   education so most people didn't even [TS]

00:32:35   know it existed but it's become sort of [TS]

00:32:38   these uh this this forgotten mac and a [TS]

00:32:41   lot of people think the imac is sort of [TS]

00:32:43   the this is the computer that showed [TS]

00:32:45   that did the change you know jobs came [TS]

00:32:47   back here is the imac everything's [TS]

00:32:48   different [TS]

00:32:49   I contend that the molar was the start [TS]

00:32:53   of that but you know so it was it was it [TS]

00:32:56   had a translucent top so well let me [TS]

00:32:59   back so it was it showed where Apple was [TS]

00:33:02   going at the same time showing how [TS]

00:33:04   horrible things were at Apple 24 it was [TS]

00:33:07   staged it was baby with a translucent [TS]

00:33:09   top that made no sense it was a it [TS]

00:33:14   looked like it looked huge molar yeah so [TS]

00:33:16   it had inside it had ide and scuzzy they [TS]

00:33:21   had to hard ride through to whatever we [TS]

00:33:25   got we got what we got Tom it had three [TS]

00:33:27   PCI slots in a wall and one imac type [TS]

00:33:31   thing it had a in an upgradeable [TS]

00:33:34   processor and upgradeable I mean it was [TS]

00:33:36   like all the complaints about the old [TS]

00:33:38   Apple let's see how many things we can [TS]

00:33:39   throw in this and name it horribly with [TS]

00:33:42   the new Apple where let's make it all [TS]

00:33:44   around and start to use plastic and [TS]

00:33:46   things they had all the old insides and [TS]

00:33:47   then they gave it to Jonathan Ive and [TS]

00:33:49   he's like what the hell they will help [TS]

00:33:50   you with that doesn't come to do [TS]

00:33:52   something this is easy right [TS]

00:33:53   I mean I could I could make it look at [TS]

00:33:55   your giant to know i was kidding i've [TS]

00:33:58   got a sketch over here that always gonna [TS]

00:33:59   do with and break you need this done [TS]

00:34:01   quickly here just do that it's for [TS]

00:34:03   education is fine right exactly and in [TS]

00:34:04   your when it was actually a really good [TS]

00:34:06   machine it was it lasted but that we had [TS]

00:34:08   a few and are the schools i was working [TS]

00:34:10   at last it was performed well it had all [TS]

00:34:12   the features you like can you put this [TS]

00:34:14   in [TS]

00:34:14   yes you can but it was five weeks later [TS]

00:34:18   they announced the imac and everybody's [TS]

00:34:19   like sorry yeah sorry tooth the guy one [TS]

00:34:22   pull that molar right [TS]

00:34:24   that's not a sentimental pic all right [TS]

00:34:26   that's a good one there's a good one [TS]

00:34:27   around itself out that wasn't that was [TS]

00:34:30   lower on everyone else's board but we [TS]

00:34:32   see that you might use it sentimentally [TS]

00:34:34   Dan you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go [TS]

00:34:36   sentimental and and inspirational i used [TS]

00:34:38   to read a well before I started working [TS]

00:34:41   i used to read macworld and i'll get my [TS]

00:34:43   issue every month and I remember the [TS]

00:34:45   most exciting issue I i read was the one [TS]

00:34:47   that had the I think had some other [TS]

00:34:51   images of the 20th century or the one [TS]

00:34:54   eating mystery man yes which had a what [TS]

00:34:57   was it like an eight inch LCD something [TS]

00:35:00   like seven or eight inch LCD is vertical [TS]

00:35:02   ahead of it was advertised basically [TS]

00:35:04   America 500 stock index taco he was [TS]

00:35:07   imprisoned 5307 didn't catch on fire and [TS]

00:35:09   yeah that was Ranger yeah [TS]

00:35:11   blackbird yeah that's what the liner to [TS]

00:35:14   your house [TS]

00:35:14   yes it was a and bose speaker on it was [TS]

00:35:17   delivered with it was concierge several [TS]

00:35:19   river that came with its a man came to [TS]

00:35:21   your house and assembled it for one of [TS]

00:35:23   the few again again a pre steve jobs at [TS]

00:35:26   my yes attempt by Apple to capitalize on [TS]

00:35:29   this algebra but i love the idea of it [TS]

00:35:31   like let Homer it looked futuristic yeah [TS]

00:35:34   in a way that most max coming out that [TS]

00:35:36   point we're actually just beige boxes [TS]

00:35:38   let me know in some ways it was like the [TS]

00:35:40   I'm what the imac would be eventually [TS]

00:35:41   and that was an all-in-one using laptop [TS]

00:35:43   technology to make it yes I it was [TS]

00:35:45   really ahead of its time it was [TS]

00:35:47   completely impractical i believe for a [TS]

00:35:49   broad design perfect for our design [TS]

00:35:51   video or performance [TS]

00:35:53   yeah but it looked awesome and that was [TS]

00:35:56   really all that matters you don't have [TS]

00:35:58   it like 15 years old or whatever you [TS]

00:36:00   know it was cool it was sold so poorly [TS]

00:36:01   that they started giving it to like [TS]

00:36:03   institutions you bought 20 you know [TS]

00:36:05   computers will give you a 20th [TS]

00:36:07   anniversary and please take there was a [TS]

00:36:08   oh I can't remember there was a TV show [TS]

00:36:10   or movie or something where somebody has [TS]

00:36:11   one like in the background and just like [TS]

00:36:14   and it was it see clearly there as an [TS]

00:36:16   attempt of like oh this person is fancy [TS]

00:36:18   because they have its pretty happy [TS]

00:36:19   Anniversary Macintosh in the background [TS]

00:36:21   a futuristic I never owned one [TS]

00:36:23   I was really expensive to myself what [TS]

00:36:26   so it's already ten thousand yeah I was [TS]

00:36:28   like what you did there was no way you [TS]

00:36:30   were ever gonna bite event eventually [TS]

00:36:31   lowered it like 2500 and 5000 and then [TS]

00:36:34   will you take this money hit that it was [TS]

00:36:36   not going to find it was new it was [TS]

00:36:38   yellow and it was like two yrs new 20 [TS]

00:36:41   years past it's but i only want the [TS]

00:36:43   aspiration and and attempt behind it [TS]

00:36:46   that that's a mid nineties happened in [TS]

00:36:48   that she'll write was also when it was [TS]

00:36:51   introduced at the keynote that was that [TS]

00:36:54   was the the endless gil amelio keynote [TS]

00:36:56   that that it's still going that they're [TS]

00:36:58   still going to that it was endless [TS]

00:37:00   because the big reveal was going to be [TS]

00:37:02   that Steve Jobs was coming back to apple [TS]

00:37:04   and apparently steve jobs so the story [TS]

00:37:07   goes was just taking his sweet time he [TS]

00:37:09   knew that amelia was out there trying to [TS]

00:37:12   fill space full-time full-time full-time [TS]

00:37:14   and so they they I think they they [TS]

00:37:16   introduced the 20th anniversary Mac [TS]

00:37:18   first and then they brought was and Jobs [TS]

00:37:21   onstage and I think Amelia said [TS]

00:37:23   something like and the first two or four [TS]

00:37:25   you know jobs and and Wozniak and [TS]

00:37:28   they're both looking like like you can [TS]

00:37:30   tell jobs like seriously seriously [TS]

00:37:32   you're going to voice this on me onstage [TS]

00:37:34   great there is actually a circle of hell [TS]

00:37:37   where it's nothing but listening to gil [TS]

00:37:38   amelio and stand stickman from not just [TS]

00:37:41   always about to come out from behind [TS]

00:37:43   stage but he never done he never does [TS]

00:37:45   that's Roberts goes on forever [TS]

00:37:47   no exit alright 20th anniversary Mac [TS]

00:37:49   interesting pic interesting pic serenity [TS]

00:37:52   what do you have [TS]

00:37:53   alright well i'm also going to go [TS]

00:37:54   sentimental and i'm going to go sort of [TS]

00:37:56   inspirational and my pic is the second [TS]

00:38:00   generation Newton message pad on the new [TS]

00:38:04   again one of those computers that we [TS]

00:38:09   would probably now call a device but [TS]

00:38:11   still a computer and of itself [TS]

00:38:13   I hand-me-down from my father as a as [TS]

00:38:16   the powerbook duo was but mostly I [TS]

00:38:19   thought it was really cool because of [TS]

00:38:21   the point that i have it which i think [TS]

00:38:22   was 99 2000 no one knew what they were [TS]

00:38:27   anymore especially not people my age so [TS]

00:38:30   when I was walking around with them and [TS]

00:38:32   my classmates to be like what is that [TS]

00:38:34   I'm like oh well it's a computer that I [TS]

00:38:36   can [TS]

00:38:37   not request in my pocket but I can carry [TS]

00:38:39   with me and it's the size of a book i [TS]

00:38:41   can write on it [TS]

00:38:42   look it recognizes my handwriting [TS]

00:38:44   sometime during school time to eat up [TS]

00:38:47   Martha and I because I'm a horrible [TS]

00:38:50   person and I knew more about technology [TS]

00:38:53   than most of my friends or classmates [TS]

00:38:55   who I hated I would occasionally expound [TS]

00:38:59   on what the Newton could do so I believe [TS]

00:39:01   one time in history class I was sort of [TS]

00:39:04   hanging out at the end of the class and [TS]

00:39:06   one of my friends like what are you [TS]

00:39:08   doing I'm like oh I'm using the Newton [TS]

00:39:10   to capture all the notes on the board [TS]

00:39:12   they'll then be digitized and i'll have [TS]

00:39:15   them and I won't have to do any writing [TS]

00:39:16   and of course the kids were like that's [TS]

00:39:19   kind of cool [TS]

00:39:21   I don't want to do any writing I'm like [TS]

00:39:22   yeah well they don't make them anymore [TS]

00:39:26   basically I was a jerk in middle school [TS]

00:39:28   and I was with the first people to ever [TS]

00:39:30   want to new and the lab now I could do [TS]

00:39:36   that what you can do that that's how [TS]

00:39:37   clearly ahead of my time [TS]

00:39:39   alright the Newton message pad will call [TS]

00:39:42   that a computer sure it's not a robot [TS]

00:39:45   it's not a phone whatever whatever it is [TS]

00:39:48   David what do you have to show here [TS]

00:39:49   where the third round I can't believe my [TS]

00:39:51   pic hasn't been picked up yet 1985 I [TS]

00:39:54   went to school I had been using command [TS]

00:39:55   line computers all the time and i sat in [TS]

00:39:58   front of the original 128k Mac and I [TS]

00:40:01   unbelievable that it has not gone injury [TS]

00:40:04   for you is well I I'll tell you that [TS]

00:40:07   computer changed my life when I saw that [TS]

00:40:09   control panel and they had the tortoise [TS]

00:40:11   and the hare it my head exploded death [TS]

00:40:14   it was only with a lot of difficulty was [TS]

00:40:16   able to put it back together again [TS]

00:40:17   I still haven't got it all that man [TS]

00:40:19   before you're not missing parts but what [TS]

00:40:21   a great computer it just changed the way [TS]

00:40:24   I thought about computers entirely and [TS]

00:40:25   probably the reason I'm sitting here I I [TS]

00:40:27   didn't couldn't afford one begged my [TS]

00:40:29   parents to win by one but I went to [TS]

00:40:31   school every day on my Schwinn 10-speed [TS]

00:40:33   and they were nice enough to let me sit [TS]

00:40:35   there for like eight hours at a time and [TS]

00:40:38   place [TS]

00:40:38   the computer and I didn't have to save [TS]

00:40:40   the cassette tape anymore and that was [TS]

00:40:41   kind of nice to what a great computer [TS]

00:40:43   very cool alright I can't argue with [TS]

00:40:46   that [TS]

00:40:46   yeah the original 128k Mac okay it's my [TS]

00:40:49   turn to go and I'm gonna go with the [TS]

00:40:51   crazy pick my choices Landrieu the [TS]

00:40:54   computer that runs the entire society on [TS]

00:40:57   planet beta 3 in a temple you episode [TS]

00:41:00   return of the archons in the original [TS]

00:41:02   Star Trek wow I gotta live here or one [TS]

00:41:06   of one of rainy planet-wide society [TS]

00:41:10   controlling computers encountered in [TS]

00:41:12   Star Trek how many people in the [TS]

00:41:13   audience have heard of this computer [TS]

00:41:14   ever huh [TS]

00:41:16   wait 12 that was left was mistaken i [TS]

00:41:19   allowed anymore plotting because they [TS]

00:41:22   want to sound really cool [TS]

00:41:24   oh yeah this is arkon lands on beta 3 [TS]

00:41:28   and and by the time the enterprise gets [TS]

00:41:30   there they find that this is a strange [TS]

00:41:32   oppressive mind control society run by [TS]

00:41:35   sort of zombie people and at its heart [TS]

00:41:38   is their leader Landrieu who appears as [TS]

00:41:40   a hologram as if he was a man because [TS]

00:41:42   they think perhaps he was a man in the [TS]

00:41:44   past it turns out of course that [TS]

00:41:46   Landrieu is in fact a computer that is [TS]

00:41:48   controlling the society and you think [TS]

00:41:50   well okay this is a sci-fi story they're [TS]

00:41:52   going to find some way to destroy the [TS]

00:41:53   computer they do but not through phasers [TS]

00:41:56   or anything else they talk to the [TS]

00:41:58   computer and convinced that what it's [TS]

00:41:59   doing is wrong and that the best thing [TS]

00:42:01   for the people of beta 3 would be if we [TS]

00:42:03   would very kindly self-destruct which it [TS]

00:42:06   agrees and does well done well are you [TS]

00:42:09   captain kirk i knew that debate team [TS]

00:42:11   would come out later that's deep catalog [TS]

00:42:13   soul Andrews because how many computers [TS]

00:42:16   run an entire society for hundreds of [TS]

00:42:17   years [TS]

00:42:18   ok there are lots if you watched our [TS]

00:42:20   commander I always liked Landrieu from [TS]

00:42:23   return of the archons so that's my pic [TS]

00:42:25   he can run my planetary slaver society [TS]

00:42:28   any day I remember lightning round we [TS]

00:42:31   have time for another round or not a [TS]

00:42:33   whole nother round so we're going to go [TS]

00:42:35   back around one again bring out your [TS]

00:42:37   backup pics jeff carlson oh these are [TS]

00:42:39   all my bed I was [TS]

00:42:40   now the real pics [TS]

00:42:44   Oh another real pics oh I'm up I'm just [TS]

00:42:49   going to be contrary to you and I'm [TS]

00:42:51   going to say not in society controlling [TS]

00:42:55   computers i'm gonna go real world i'm [TS]

00:42:57   going to say the powerbook 109 00 i know [TS]

00:43:01   you you'll even like walking shot down [TS]

00:43:03   mighty 68000 processor in there [TS]

00:43:06   one of the cool things about the the 100 [TS]

00:43:09   was it was it was very thin light they [TS]

00:43:12   didn't from a trivial perspective it's [TS]

00:43:15   interesting because it was actually [TS]

00:43:16   built by Sony instead of instead of [TS]

00:43:18   apple it it was my first laptop so [TS]

00:43:21   therefore it is immediately important to [TS]

00:43:23   everybody but what was really cool was [TS]

00:43:26   because you know battery life was really [TS]

00:43:30   quite terrible what you could do is you [TS]

00:43:33   could load basically everything into a [TS]

00:43:36   ramdisk and put the hard drive to sleep [TS]

00:43:39   and get like an extra 30 minutes or an [TS]

00:43:42   hour from the battery and so I had a [TS]

00:43:44   keyboard shortcut to do that [TS]

00:43:46   Wow sleep the yeah yeah good times [TS]

00:43:50   so so like it was it is probably like [TS]

00:43:53   like this is a writing computer it's not [TS]

00:43:54   gonna really do anything more than just [TS]

00:43:56   let me write but it was still that I i [TS]

00:44:00   wish that i had had that when I was [TS]

00:44:02   doing new newspaper stuff in college [TS]

00:44:05   where I had a mat classic that i would [TS]

00:44:08   put over in a big shoulder bag and ride [TS]

00:44:11   my bike across campus to the newspaper [TS]

00:44:13   off portable portable yeah let's say [TS]

00:44:16   that that had I didn't get to the mac [TS]

00:44:18   portable inside it and it was unlike all [TS]

00:44:20   the other powerbooks yeah to make it to [TS]

00:44:22   make a cheaper [TS]

00:44:23   yeah and and built by Sony all right [TS]

00:44:25   good one Dan Frank's with your last pic [TS]

00:44:26   i do i was going to do the mac pro and [TS]

00:44:29   then now you've got me thinking about [TS]

00:44:30   laptops and I just thought of the the [TS]

00:44:33   the the powerbook line then they had a [TS]

00:44:36   whole series of different names pismo [TS]

00:44:38   and lumbar nose with the removable the [TS]

00:44:42   decide and I can't think with the [TS]

00:44:44   expansion potential base yeah you can [TS]

00:44:46   like today I need a hard drive [TS]

00:44:48   Oh [TS]

00:44:48   that don't like the g3 yeah otherwise [TS]

00:44:51   yes i did his mom want that today I need [TS]

00:44:54   longer battery life be gone hard drive [TS]

00:44:56   here's another hard there's another [TS]

00:44:57   battery and able to zip this if it is [TS]

00:44:59   optical drive hard drive batteries [TS]

00:45:02   it was a really cool idea and I forgot I [TS]

00:45:04   even had those and at the time i love [TS]

00:45:06   that was the greatest thing ever was [TS]

00:45:07   there a computer in here is because that [TS]

00:45:09   your pic thats thats what everyone was [TS]

00:45:11   ya know what our country i'm doing a [TS]

00:45:14   line as if driving right there like more [TS]

00:45:16   it was lombard Wall Street pismo sure i [TS]

00:45:19   think that's it [TS]

00:45:20   yeah the bronze keyboard there at the [TS]

00:45:22   bronze can have about have one still one [TS]

00:45:24   of the board still has one of those that [TS]

00:45:26   he currently uses you can use he has [TS]

00:45:29   upgraded it to its maximum possible [TS]

00:45:32   capacity it's a whack 2001 yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:35   it's running Panther rs400 mayor's [TS]

00:45:37   processor in there [TS]

00:45:38   yeah and he uses it for surfing the web [TS]

00:45:42   and sending emails when he's sitting on [TS]

00:45:45   the couch watching television because [TS]

00:45:46   about that you are not five years gonna [TS]

00:45:49   hand it down to you is that [TS]

00:45:50   yeah and then he'll get a book laptop [TS]

00:45:53   and all right damn what do you have [TS]

00:45:56   yours movie sneakers [TS]

00:45:58   yes black box snackers is that a [TS]

00:46:02   candidate doesn't come close ringer who [TS]

00:46:05   it is the breaker in the words [TS]

00:46:09   I wow that is a matte black box from [TS]

00:46:13   black not the black girl back right well [TS]

00:46:16   specifically anyway it's a code for its [TS]

00:46:18   unique code yrc text seems like a strong [TS]

00:46:21   number two no secrets cracking every [TS]

00:46:24   code known to man and including the [TS]

00:46:27   power grid the air traffic control the [TS]

00:46:31   federal reserve any other things it's I [TS]

00:46:33   have a theory that you cannot have a [TS]

00:46:36   conversation with you for more than [TS]

00:46:38   about 50 minutes without sneakers [TS]

00:46:40   coming up its the one of the greatest [TS]

00:46:42   movies ever made so yeah it is well do [TS]

00:46:45   you say that like it's a bad thing [TS]

00:46:47   actually earlier didn't you say my voice [TS]

00:46:49   is my password in this podcast i did [TS]

00:46:51   reference for standard specification [TS]

00:46:53   beyond i decided not to spoil my own pic [TS]

00:46:55   all right we got a couple more pics [TS]

00:46:57   before we go [TS]

00:46:58   serenity what do you have well i was [TS]

00:46:59   gonna pick the wall street but thank you [TS]

00:47:01   Frank uh-huh so i guess for my last pic [TS]

00:47:05   i will have to go close to the heart and [TS]

00:47:07   pick my very first mac that was my own [TS]

00:47:09   that I got with as a birthday present [TS]

00:47:11   and then partially with my own money [TS]

00:47:13   which was the original bondi blue imac I [TS]

00:47:16   good it was beautiful it was mine it was [TS]

00:47:20   colorful I could run photoshop three on [TS]

00:47:24   it and I got really excited i had that [TS]

00:47:27   computer for pretty much two three four [TS]

00:47:31   years of high school until I got a [TS]

00:47:32   powerbook at the very end of that and it [TS]

00:47:35   was aight i loved i love that like like [TS]

00:47:37   a baby [TS]

00:47:38   it was aight i am sad that i don't have [TS]

00:47:40   it in my apartment right now it's in a [TS]

00:47:42   garage somewhere but someday i will put [TS]

00:47:45   it on display as the as the wonderful [TS]

00:47:46   thing it is one of these days you're [TS]

00:47:48   gonna mention you new computer in your [TS]

00:47:49   father's gonna say well how about this [TS]

00:47:51   body blue imac using that was already [TS]

00:47:52   like it goes for a walk [TS]

00:47:54   Walston yeah full circle there's still [TS]

00:47:57   that if you put together the wall street [TS]

00:47:59   the Bonnie Blue imac and your message [TS]

00:48:00   bad you've almost got an ipad yeah very [TS]

00:48:03   close [TS]

00:48:04   alright David what do you have to go to [TS]

00:48:06   the starship enterprise and the [TS]

00:48:08   enterprise computer instructions and [TS]

00:48:11   guidelines that strongly consider well [TS]

00:48:13   isn't it the same one all the time I [TS]

00:48:15   don't think it's always ready to [TS]

00:48:16   self-destruct but stop at the last [TS]

00:48:18   minute that always has nature [TS]

00:48:19   it always has a very poor password [TS]

00:48:21   something like X 2 35 now self-destruct [TS]

00:48:24   why I borrow your shades i believe it's [TS]

00:48:27   11 self-destruct one [TS]

00:48:29   yes classy don't forget taking the [TS]

00:48:31   shield's down yes yeah that's important [TS]

00:48:33   is a remote code become do that for four [TS]

00:48:35   digit number its it it's the computer to [TS]

00:48:39   run any spaceship that you're going to [TS]

00:48:41   drive a spaceship I would want that [TS]

00:48:43   computer with major Barrett swine flu [TS]

00:48:45   yeah absolutely [TS]

00:48:47   yeah when it when it goes kablooey it [TS]

00:48:50   calls everyone deer which is nice that's [TS]

00:48:52   a nono what no it's touching yeah [TS]

00:48:54   because it's about to end [TS]

00:48:56   yeah all right outside you can finish it [TS]

00:48:59   up [TS]

00:48:59   alright well with the last pic I i was [TS]

00:49:02   back the 12 inch powerbook which is the [TS]

00:49:05   spiritual ancestor of the macbook air [TS]

00:49:08   line which was it was underpowered and [TS]

00:49:12   weird and I didn't care because it was [TS]

00:49:15   it was awesome it was awesome and small [TS]

00:49:17   and so much computing power and since [TS]

00:49:18   most with but I'm gonna go with what [TS]

00:49:21   maybe my all-time favorite mac and it is [TS]

00:49:23   actually the one that I have today which [TS]

00:49:26   is the 11-inch impossibly small macbook [TS]

00:49:30   air got the SSD it's got that I five or [TS]

00:49:33   i7 processor mines got an i7 it can do [TS]

00:49:36   anything I would ever want a mac to do [TS]

00:49:39   it's super powerful and it's incredibly [TS]

00:49:41   time to r3 11-inch macbook air users up [TS]

00:49:44   here [TS]

00:49:44   yeah right now joy you have a look at [TS]

00:49:47   all right [TS]

00:49:47   as that our followers of Landru would [TS]

00:49:49   say are you of the body anyway so we [TS]

00:49:53   have we have so there's six of us four [TS]

00:49:55   rounds 24 computers some of which [TS]

00:49:57   actually exist in some winter it flights [TS]

00:50:00   of fancy [TS]

00:50:01   Hal 9000 about 9,000 is an underwater [TS]

00:50:04   he's just going to kill you also kits [TS]

00:50:06   are evil twin car alarms right good Lord [TS]

00:50:09   was not here he would pick pockets right [TS]

00:50:11   car anyway i hope that we have really [TS]

00:50:13   wasted an hour of your time with our [TS]

00:50:15   ridiculous pics thanks to everybody on [TS]

00:50:17   my panel for being here [TS]

00:50:19   David Sparkes serenity Caldwell dan [TS]

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