Roderick on the Line

Ep. 147: "The Om of Surrender"


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00:00:30   hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:34   good i was just watching videos of young [TS]

00:00:39   samurais displaying their swordsmanship [TS]

00:00:42   skills how you know so I'm in a pretty [TS]

00:00:44   weird mood are you not not young [TS]

00:00:47   I mean you know i think i'm a samurai's [TS]

00:00:49   being well a thousand years old [TS]

00:00:52   even so these samurais were you know in [TS]

00:00:56   their thirties [TS]

00:00:57   still 22 acquire that level of swordsmen [TS]

00:01:01   ship [TS]

00:01:02   hmm in such a hint at such a young age I [TS]

00:01:05   mean these guys were using their swords [TS]

00:01:09   to slice open an edamame beam [TS]

00:01:14   yeah the guy that does the move with the [TS]

00:01:17   stick and then kicks over the water [TS]

00:01:18   bottle you seen that no I love a site to [TS]

00:01:21   admit it but i love this [TS]

00:01:22   yeah this guy's somebody was shooting a [TS]

00:01:23   pellets at him and he cut a pellet [TS]

00:01:28   somebody shot a pellet at him any chop [TS]

00:01:32   the peloton half devil does that in one [TS]

00:01:34   of the x-men movies it's a good move [TS]

00:01:36   yeah but does this is like a real guy [TS]

00:01:37   who's we actually doing is very make a [TS]

00:01:39   video [TS]

00:01:40   yeah haha not one of these videos it was [TS]

00:01:42   a Japanese game show you know every [TS]

00:01:44   trick basketball shot on the internet [TS]

00:01:46   was faked is that cannot be real [TS]

00:01:48   that's an area 51 thing can it be real [TS]

00:01:50   that they are all faked o0 we're through [TS]

00:01:54   the looking glass because I mean no you [TS]

00:01:57   just blew my mind you know speaking of [TS]

00:01:59   blowing mine [TS]

00:02:00   yeah i was driving today and I the car [TS]

00:02:04   in front of me had a bumper sticker that [TS]

00:02:05   said let's see if I can remember it said [TS]

00:02:08   oma I god oh my g-o-d om ohm I letter I [TS]

00:02:17   god it's the wet full-on g-o-d Judy [TS]

00:02:21   easily put God on a license plate [TS]

00:02:24   no not a license plate it was a bumper [TS]

00:02:25   sticker oh and so so i read it and i [TS]

00:02:28   were they upset a lot it's like ohmygod [TS]

00:02:30   ohmygod right but oh my god was it sits [TS]

00:02:35   one of the heads one of those that [TS]

00:02:36   coexist yeah we were visualized world [TS]

00:02:38   peace yeah we're supposed to be like [TS]

00:02:40   whoa [TS]

00:02:41   but then so but then it had [TS]

00:02:43   effect had a very strange effect on me [TS]

00:02:45   merlin which is that I said the word oh [TS]

00:02:51   how loud and then I said it again and [TS]

00:02:55   pretty soon I was driving down the [TS]

00:02:56   street going home [TS]

00:02:58   oh I was like you know George Harrison [TS]

00:03:02   had a lot to say about this [TS]

00:03:03   mhm about saying over and over the Holy [TS]

00:03:07   Word gonna put you in the progenitor the [TS]

00:03:10   Godhead space so pretty soon a half an [TS]

00:03:15   hour goes by I've been saying only [TS]

00:03:16   entire time I feel really calm no way I [TS]

00:03:20   feel super chilled out and I was like I [TS]

00:03:23   want to stop saying home I had to park [TS]

00:03:25   my car and get out and rejoin the world [TS]

00:03:27   and so I'm walking through the lobby of [TS]

00:03:29   this building and I'm saying you quietly [TS]

00:03:31   home [TS]

00:03:32   whoa and then I encounter someone [TS]

00:03:35   pushing a cart with a bunch of papers on [TS]

00:03:38   it and and I have to stop saying home [TS]

00:03:41   because that would have been a weird [TS]

00:03:44   experience there smiling like good [TS]

00:03:45   morning and I'm like oh so I stopped and [TS]

00:03:49   now I just want to get back in [TS]

00:03:51   I just want to go back somewhere where I [TS]

00:03:54   can just say ohm some more because it [TS]

00:03:57   was really very pleasing [TS]

00:03:59   it's a it's a very informal version of [TS]

00:04:01   meditation it's a widow it's all not [TS]

00:04:03   even walking meditation so walking [TS]

00:04:05   around meditation [TS]

00:04:06   yeah yeah walking around meditation and [TS]

00:04:08   I was omitting and I was like I was [TS]

00:04:11   reflecting I felt Shanti I was ready for [TS]

00:04:15   you know I was ready to like spin a [TS]

00:04:18   prayer wheel and build a man dola I had [TS]

00:04:23   a whole plan to build a lot of mandalas [TS]

00:04:25   let's be honest that's they don't have [TS]

00:04:27   to all be made of sand but they do blow [TS]

00:04:28   away [TS]

00:04:29   I like if I had a if I had a permanent [TS]

00:04:33   men dollar for every sand mandalas built [TS]

00:04:35   i would have a whole idea of a warehouse [TS]

00:04:38   and then boom and Allah who I I've been [TS]

00:04:41   exploring a lot of pretty things lately [TS]

00:04:42   and I don't need to go into a lot of [TS]

00:04:46   detail but one of them was uh talk I [TS]

00:04:49   listen to wear this guy teaches this [TS]

00:04:51   version he doesn't call it you know it's [TS]

00:04:53   it's a mindfulness meditation talk [TS]

00:04:56   he has a version of that word that [TS]

00:04:59   actually has three parts and it's I'm [TS]

00:05:02   trying to cockblock your own but but but [TS]

00:05:04   it's a very but it's a very satisfying [TS]

00:05:06   three-syllable version of ohm I don't [TS]

00:05:10   know how to sound imagine imagine that [TS]

00:05:13   the satisfied [TS]

00:05:16   ah sound that turns into ohm and ends [TS]

00:05:22   with kind of a yummy sounding like a [TS]

00:05:23   yummy yummy food movie sound I starts [TS]

00:05:27   out high you can do you think it's kinda [TS]

00:05:28   like this [TS]

00:05:29   ah that's good as yours but like it is [TS]

00:05:39   there's several things about the kind of [TS]

00:05:40   makes your body relax when you do it you [TS]

00:05:42   sound incredibly crazy [TS]

00:05:45   yeah well this is the thing I could not [TS]

00:05:47   do walking through the halls of an [TS]

00:05:48   office building [TS]

00:05:49   no I mean oh you get to be known as that [TS]

00:05:54   guy [TS]

00:05:55   yeah yeah I have a cousin who is a [TS]

00:05:58   practitioner of a scream therapy that [TS]

00:06:02   jenoff thing the tears for fears john [TS]

00:06:04   lennon thing I'm sure sure that can help [TS]

00:06:07   you get the screen therapy e you going [TS]

00:06:09   to screen [TS]

00:06:10   yeah well they had some kind of my [TS]

00:06:12   cousin and her husband had some kind of [TS]

00:06:14   compound in Northern California where [TS]

00:06:16   people would go and scream it wasn't you [TS]

00:06:18   know their was like their school they [TS]

00:06:20   ran a scream therapy school my cousin [TS]

00:06:23   and her husband and I'm not sure how you [TS]

00:06:26   measure the success of a program like [TS]

00:06:28   that i was about to say it was a very [TS]

00:06:29   successful program but then i would [TS]

00:06:32   imagine that earning money would be [TS]

00:06:35   anathemas to you if you were running a [TS]

00:06:38   screen therapy school in northern [TS]

00:06:41   coalition of people won't refund so I [TS]

00:06:44   mean I'm not about a rival therapy and I [TS]

00:06:45   write it if you I think that you marry i [TS]

00:06:49   think that you measure your the success [TS]

00:06:51   of your screen therapy program by how [TS]

00:06:52   many sacks of of military you have you [TS]

00:06:56   don't know anything about this stuff up [TS]

00:06:58   our then how do you like that's Bitcoin [TS]

00:07:01   my friend how do people pay for do they [TS]

00:07:03   pay they I'm the paper and hugs are they [TS]

00:07:05   pay for it in real money i don't know [TS]

00:07:07   is if you're gonna have a cult called [TS]

00:07:09   such an ugly word if you're gonna have [TS]

00:07:11   an alternative therapy I think he you [TS]

00:07:14   are you come up with the system and you [TS]

00:07:16   got steps and there's meetings right [TS]

00:07:18   there's usually a building mean there's [TS]

00:07:21   materials you probably have a material [TS]

00:07:22   you you probably gotta buy a mat or or [TS]

00:07:25   yeah well you have to have the land in [TS]

00:07:27   the first place under the California [TS]

00:07:28   they're not giving it away [TS]

00:07:30   no sir and you gotta get like a scream [TS]

00:07:31   shirt probably ensure i don't know but [TS]

00:07:34   you know that first I think the first [TS]

00:07:36   John Lennon record was recorded while he [TS]

00:07:41   was in channels panel therapy [TS]

00:07:44   oh really hot that really that really [TS]

00:07:46   raw first album hot mother was where he [TS]

00:07:49   was like where he was putting his hair [TS]

00:07:51   up in a pompadour and wearing a leather [TS]

00:07:52   jacket you know that's rock and roll [TS]

00:07:54   1976 ya again that was much later [TS]

00:07:56   what is kiss his post people's careers [TS]

00:07:58   so weird you know he got a lot of credit [TS]

00:08:00   for that but then of just a few years [TS]

00:08:02   later [TS]

00:08:03   Neil Young and the put on put on a [TS]

00:08:06   picture and a shot of Pink's do I mobo [TS]

00:08:11   and everybody everybody dropped a ton of [TS]

00:08:14   shit on it they said that's the end of [TS]

00:08:15   his career no young has officially going [TS]

00:08:17   into Sean rahel that's what they said [TS]

00:08:19   yeah yeah yeahs phrase that phrase they [TS]

00:08:20   used to waiting for 10 years they kill [TS]

00:08:22   they kill them for that record and trans [TS]

00:08:24   let's be honest yeah you're trans you're [TS]

00:08:26   trans fan right big trans pan and [TS]

00:08:28   transphobic I am NOT it wouldn't want to [TS]

00:08:31   come not at all and particularly not [TS]

00:08:33   that new young record but also and [TS]

00:08:35   pretend when you when you learn the [TS]

00:08:37   story of train when you love story [TS]

00:08:38   really kind of a dick for saying [TS]

00:08:39   anything it's even quadruple e a amazing [TS]

00:08:42   but the thing was that I responded that [TS]

00:08:45   i responded that music really positively [TS]

00:08:49   the first time I heard that I was like [TS]

00:08:50   this is great [TS]

00:08:51   recently this Boko really speaks to me [TS]

00:08:54   and I liked him with those wraparound [TS]

00:08:57   sunglasses and the headset microphone [TS]

00:08:59   the early bluetooth [TS]

00:09:00   I like the way he kind of stomped around [TS]

00:09:02   the stage like a like a Godzilla and but [TS]

00:09:07   i was also a big fan of the new young [TS]

00:09:10   and the and the shocking pinks [TS]

00:09:12   I thought the record was great wide and [TS]

00:09:14   i'm a huge fan of Neil Young [TS]

00:09:17   and Crazy Horse's reactor another record [TS]

00:09:19   that gets dog so basically bill Young's [TS]

00:09:23   late seventies crazy time output yeah [TS]

00:09:26   was hugely influential about me you know [TS]

00:09:29   who else loves that all of those are our [TS]

00:09:31   friends physicist grant Balfour he [TS]

00:09:34   turned me onto a lot of those records [TS]

00:09:35   that i had seen and cut-out uh you know [TS]

00:09:38   alongside the kiss solo albums and lots [TS]

00:09:40   of examples access 99-cent records for [TS]

00:09:42   those words were I mean those albums [TS]

00:09:45   trans wasn't cut out for many many years [TS]

00:09:48   and reactor reactor was like the [TS]

00:09:50   canonical cut out albums the only is [TS]

00:09:52   everywhere [TS]

00:09:53   absolutely i bought it for ninety-nine [TS]

00:09:54   cents and i got at home you know I used [TS]

00:09:56   by those cutout records and i would get [TS]

00:09:59   them home and be a male you know massive [TS]

00:10:02   disappointment most of the time the the [TS]

00:10:04   most profound disappointment was I think [TS]

00:10:07   this is apple's orchestral record yes [TS]

00:10:10   see that that's that they should have a [TS]

00:10:12   stick with the PMRC stickers he was [TS]

00:10:14   protesting they said they had classical [TS]

00:10:16   music stickers on their getting into [TS]

00:10:18   debt but overlooked that don't think [TS]

00:10:19   they're going by my vibe not intuitive [TS]

00:10:22   feeling today he's got his tix you know [TS]

00:10:25   in early Parker uh forgot got big and [TS]

00:10:28   Bob a lot of the criticism I think [TS]

00:10:30   specifically with Philip Larkin know it [TS]

00:10:32   was Cab Calloway Cab Calloway said we [TS]

00:10:35   call the Chinese music oh and people [TS]

00:10:37   started knowing that I'm gonna tell you [TS]

00:10:38   something going to ruin Charlie Parker [TS]

00:10:39   for you if you're not careful [TS]

00:10:40   yeah Charlie put Parker his main risk is [TS]

00:10:43   almost always a version of the woody [TS]

00:10:45   woodpecker's song haha try good try but [TS]

00:10:49   it's not bad but it's not that I have [TS]

00:10:52   about it later but that an intern and [TS]

00:10:56   some peanuts off me know whenever [TS]

00:10:57   they're not that they don't but if you [TS]

00:10:59   had better let me hold on by [TS]

00:11:02   whoa no wow Larry Bird mind blow mine [TS]

00:11:07   you know how interesting is the young [TS]

00:11:09   people who are listening to our program [TS]

00:11:11   have no idea who Woody Woodpecker is [TS]

00:11:12   dead and so they're just like home [TS]

00:11:16   why didn't the Magpies you the John you [TS]

00:11:18   think they know about heckle and Jeckle [TS]

00:11:19   I am betting that they do not know about [TS]

00:11:22   heckle and Jekyll and their and their [TS]

00:11:24   mysterious hijinks that was my the [TS]

00:11:27   breeze bits that was my my wife's [TS]

00:11:30   favorite cartoon as a child she loved [TS]

00:11:31   technological she always calls on the [TS]

00:11:32   Magpies heckle and Jeckle it might have [TS]

00:11:35   been a nod to chippendale uh well you [TS]

00:11:40   know heckle and Jeckle have a very [TS]

00:11:42   Mark's brother e and a day it's like to [TS]

00:11:44   Groucho's right everybody with both like [TS]

00:11:47   I remember being like always polite to a [TS]

00:11:50   fault but they always extremely polite [TS]

00:11:52   with the child was noted with it [TS]

00:11:54   yes but it was exciting was it was a [TS]

00:11:55   sardonic polite no it's more like um spy [TS]

00:11:58   vs spy but they're absolutely spy vs spy [TS]

00:12:02   movie o.o aragones has some answering to [TS]

00:12:06   do why we are we are opening up a lot of [TS]

00:12:08   windows today that anybody under 40 [TS]

00:12:11   years old is like what are they talking [TS]

00:12:13   about Sergio Aragones go go worship at [TS]

00:12:18   his temple he did a lot of the [TS]

00:12:20   marginalia in mad right yeah you do I [TS]

00:12:22   think all of it or or no not all of it [TS]

00:12:24   every once in a while I would see one by [TS]

00:12:26   somebody else and do and it was [TS]

00:12:29   confusing and it infuriated me up like [TS]

00:12:32   stop doing that why are you doing that [TS]

00:12:34   yeah go back to the 10 go back to the [TS]

00:12:36   marginalia that belongs there [TS]

00:12:38   he also you know what else he did the [TS]

00:12:40   marginalia for our TVs bloopers and [TS]

00:12:42   practical jokes because that he did the [TS]

00:12:45   dissolves between segments always nicer [TS]

00:12:48   ones I've seen that I have some have [TS]

00:12:50   some faint memory but I was not a I was [TS]

00:12:53   not a regular watcher of TVs bloopers [TS]

00:12:54   and practical jokes push off the [TS]

00:12:57   dickhead man i think i think you know [TS]

00:13:00   we've talked about this before but there [TS]

00:13:01   was a cut-off for me in television land [TS]

00:13:04   oh yes right like up to a certain point [TS]

00:13:06   anything that was on the television i [TS]

00:13:09   was interested in and I was fortunate [TS]

00:13:11   enough to be alive during an era which I [TS]

00:13:15   now look back at [TS]

00:13:17   and think of as the golden age of [TS]

00:13:18   television especially for a kid that's [TS]

00:13:21   the thing if you think about what was on [TS]

00:13:22   I think about I'm little two years older [TS]

00:13:25   than you [TS]

00:13:25   75 279 there was so much stupid shit on [TS]

00:13:29   TV that was perfect for kiss so amazing [TS]

00:13:31   the freaking gong show [TS]

00:13:33   omigod the fact that we were kids during [TS]

00:13:36   the tenure of that incredible program I [TS]

00:13:39   can't believe that shows on TV [TS]

00:13:41   I can't believe it still and I and I [TS]

00:13:43   feel so lucky to have been 10 years old [TS]

00:13:47   right i mean if at but but also like all [TS]

00:13:50   the garbage TV and the fact that that [TS]

00:13:53   was the last heyday of all those Jackie [TS]

00:13:57   Gleason and you know the the class [TS]

00:14:02   everyone old an age of entertainment [TS]

00:14:04   Gene Kelly being in Xanadu like you [TS]

00:14:06   still have Fred Astaire and there was a [TS]

00:14:08   twilight zone or no no it was someone he [TS]

00:14:10   was in that letter was in his last film [TS]

00:14:13   you'll people moving yeah and you know [TS]

00:14:15   he wasn't into using the necklace but [TS]

00:14:18   you would still see that you would watch [TS]

00:14:20   a variety show you could watch you can [TS]

00:14:22   turn on a variety show and they would [TS]

00:14:23   still it was still like a Hollywood [TS]

00:14:24   spectacle but kiss would be on [TS]

00:14:26   yeah right exactly those were the guests [TS]

00:14:28   like those were the headliner guests of [TS]

00:14:31   all the late night talk shows and then [TS]

00:14:33   and then Robin Williams would be on [TS]

00:14:35   there and then yeah right like like [TS]

00:14:38   David Bowie and it's just like what are [TS]

00:14:40   we watching well so anyway there was a [TS]

00:14:42   moment in 1982 I feel like 82 83 where [TS]

00:14:49   where the where it all gave up the ghost [TS]

00:14:51   and it was all those shows i mean i [TS]

00:14:53   never i didn't get in Miami Vice we've [TS]

00:14:55   talked about this many times and I think [TS]

00:14:56   part of the problem is that it's hard [TS]

00:15:00   for me to uh it's hard for me to have my [TS]

00:15:04   intelligence insulted even as a child [TS]

00:15:06   right and your intelligence is insulted [TS]

00:15:09   by fantasy islands on but at least i was [TS]

00:15:12   i was a young enough kid when I mean I [TS]

00:15:15   even that eight years old I felt like [TS]

00:15:17   this is insulting [TS]

00:15:19   it's insulting and if you felt that [TS]

00:15:21   dumber than love boat [TS]

00:15:23   uh well yeah because because that was [TS]

00:15:28   just at the age especially with [TS]

00:15:30   this must be serious it was serious and [TS]

00:15:32   I was just at the age where I realized [TS]

00:15:34   that every single person that arrived on [TS]

00:15:36   this island would be here to an active [TS]

00:15:38   sex fantasy if this was true if Fantasy [TS]

00:15:41   Island were a true thing just be a sex [TS]

00:15:44   cam how much it costs with $10,000 [TS]

00:15:46   $10,000 10 that I mean if you could go [TS]

00:15:49   to a place and they would perform they [TS]

00:15:51   would give you your you know whatever [TS]

00:15:53   your fantasy [TS]

00:15:53   you're not gonna go there to talk to [TS]

00:15:55   your to reconcile with your dead father [TS]

00:15:58   you're not going to go there to learn to [TS]

00:16:00   swim for the first time whatever the [TS]

00:16:02   those flimsy premises were you would [TS]

00:16:05   just it would just be a sex farm and I i [TS]

00:16:08   think at ten years old I was like wait a [TS]

00:16:10   minute like because I I'm it's not a 10 [TS]

00:16:13   years old like I had any sex fantasies [TS]

00:16:15   but I was starting to do was starting to [TS]

00:16:17   dawn on me and again this was nineteen [TS]

00:16:20   seventy-eight right so there was a line [TS]

00:16:22   to fantasize about well there was also a [TS]

00:16:23   lot of talk about that in the culture [TS]

00:16:26   I mean that was the era where you would [TS]

00:16:27   go to somebody's house and they would [TS]

00:16:28   just be like we magazine on the coffee [TS]

00:16:31   table right it was that we we was like [TS]

00:16:34   what will and we sort of the classy [TS]

00:16:39   version a playboy well I don't know [TS]

00:16:41   clouds somewhere between playboy and [TS]

00:16:43   penthouse and a little bit more [TS]

00:16:44   it was like if you were a sophisticate a [TS]

00:16:47   you-know-what guy that had a I mean they [TS]

00:16:49   were all about stereo systems and and [TS]

00:16:51   and mixing cocktails but we was like [TS]

00:16:53   what the name it's right there in the [TS]

00:16:55   name [TS]

00:16:56   it's a it's yes in French hmm come on [TS]

00:16:59   you've got it you've got to have three [TS]

00:17:01   different ferns in macrame plant holders [TS]

00:17:04   in your house even know what it means [TS]

00:17:06   yeah anyway I i would just make of this [TS]

00:17:11   very quickly because I I definitely want [TS]

00:17:13   to circle back to this i'm on the [TS]

00:17:14   wikipedia page for fantasy island which [TS]

00:17:16   i can highly recommend ok [TS]

00:17:17   in the first hour later and this is [TS]

00:17:19   under the section called the fantasy [TS]

00:17:20   subsection costs in the first film it [TS]

00:17:23   was noted that each guest have paid [TS]

00:17:25   $50,000 about a hundred ninety six [TS]

00:17:27   thousand dollars in 2014 dollars [TS]

00:17:29   yeah yeah in advance mhm just the best [TS]

00:17:32   the only way should have charged for [TS]

00:17:33   anything for the fulfillment of their [TS]

00:17:35   fantasies and that fantasy island was a [TS]

00:17:37   business in return to Fantasy Island [TS]

00:17:39   worked old tattoo [TS]

00:17:42   ok I thought I could do it in return to [TS]

00:17:47   Fantasy Island Rourke told tattoo that [TS]

00:17:50   he sometimes drop the price when I guess [TS]

00:17:51   couldn't afford the usual feet was you [TS]

00:17:53   believe everyone should be given a [TS]

00:17:55   chance to have their fantasies fulfilled [TS]

00:17:57   on see that just strange credit not [TS]

00:17:59   running a charity here what are you [TS]

00:18:01   talking about you're gonna give if [TS]

00:18:03   there's like a there's like financial [TS]

00:18:05   aid for Brighton you know that i did not [TS]

00:18:07   wait office i'm fucking 48 fantasy and [TS]

00:18:10   you know what I think about low [TS]

00:18:12   logistics I want to know how it all went [TS]

00:18:14   down I want to come back to that [TS]

00:18:15   so you didn't like having your [TS]

00:18:17   intelligence insulted you could roll [TS]

00:18:19   with it for watching your little younger [TS]

00:18:20   I think also you know it's a different [TS]

00:18:22   mindset and now we're really going to [TS]

00:18:23   lose the young people in the app class [TS]

00:18:25   is that you watched whatever the fuck [TS]

00:18:27   was on [TS]

00:18:27   yeah and you were start for him that was [TS]

00:18:29   the thing also you were prohibited by [TS]

00:18:32   adults from watching TV all the time [TS]

00:18:35   oh yeah when you when you got the chance [TS]

00:18:36   it didn't matter if there was it doesn't [TS]

00:18:38   matter what was on it matter that it was [TS]

00:18:40   on you flip through the five available [TS]

00:18:42   channels if I'm the best thing in that [TS]

00:18:44   half hour spot and then you flip around [TS]

00:18:46   yeah and then you wouldn't you would [TS]

00:18:47   enjoy it and and I think and I think in [TS]

00:18:50   seattle when I was a little kid we had [TS]

00:18:52   four channels right ABC NBC CBS and PBS [TS]

00:18:56   yep five we also have yahoo local [TS]

00:18:59   affiliates I told you w xix channel 19 [TS]

00:19:02   right right well see then you were your [TS]

00:19:04   big big-time East Coast Ohio people who [TS]

00:19:07   had an extra channel i caught a pork [TS]

00:19:09   opolis yeah out here here in Seattle and [TS]

00:19:12   then in a in Anchorage when I moved to [TS]

00:19:14   Anchorage in 78 he got half a station on [TS]

00:19:17   Tuesday skipper yeah we know you had ABC [TS]

00:19:19   CBS and NBC but they were all on a like [TS]

00:19:22   a 10 day 07 daytime delay right because [TS]

00:19:25   the tapes were actually shipped via [TS]

00:19:28   don't get that does not make sense as [TS]

00:19:32   tapes is that the tapes and then we [TS]

00:19:35   played the tapes they're saying this is [TS]

00:19:36   a pre satellite era where they had to [TS]

00:19:39   run the tape locally they get Fantasy [TS]

00:19:41   Island hit the button exactly ten [TS]

00:19:42   o'clock at a-put play [TS]

00:19:43   yeah so if you had if you subscribe to [TS]

00:19:45   subscribe to TV Guide you just made the [TS]

00:19:50   adjustment that everything was one week [TS]

00:19:52   later [TS]

00:19:53   ah and so you know [TS]

00:19:56   if you add everyone that we have this [TS]

00:19:57   problem all the time you should go on a [TS]

00:19:59   trip you'd fly down to Seattle and I I'd [TS]

00:20:03   run into some old elementary school [TS]

00:20:04   classmates and of course what's gonna [TS]

00:20:06   cut what's what comes up in conversation [TS]

00:20:07   right away you're talking about a the [TS]

00:20:11   last episode of mash yep right because [TS]

00:20:13   your kids you're worried about what's [TS]

00:20:15   happening in the Korean War you're [TS]

00:20:17   worried about the humanity and and I [TS]

00:20:20   would always be a weak moment week is [TS]

00:20:24   brutal but you know anyway so those at [TS]

00:20:26   that era but then in the eighties I feel [TS]

00:20:28   like all of American culture began to us [TS]

00:20:31   a tip to be an assault on my my my [TS]

00:20:35   blossoming intelligence [TS]

00:20:37   yeah and bloopers and practical jokes [TS]

00:20:39   all that kind of stuff [TS]

00:20:41   uh we're we're like polished hosts were [TS]

00:20:45   smiling at you and fake laughing as [TS]

00:20:48   somebody got hit in the crotch with a [TS]

00:20:50   with a volleyball [TS]

00:20:52   I was just like what is this yeah the [TS]

00:20:55   early eighties here's here's the way I [TS]

00:20:56   think of it at least it's not like i say [TS]

00:20:58   70 kind of 74 but 75 to 78 79 for me [TS]

00:21:03   it's booking on the one hand by my dad [TS]

00:21:05   passing away and me becoming a latchkey [TS]

00:21:07   child with who got to watch more TV than [TS]

00:21:09   he should of and it's bookended on the [TS]

00:21:11   other end by my mom remarrying and mean [TS]

00:21:14   going to military school in Florida [TS]

00:21:15   oh you have such a seventies child isn't [TS]

00:21:22   that is a fucking after-school special [TS]

00:21:24   like that lime storyland Scarlett did [TS]

00:21:28   you Ellen man did you have a bowl [TS]

00:21:30   haircut did you have a did you have a [TS]

00:21:32   job here kind a home haircut was that [TS]

00:21:34   approximated bowl weekend affordable did [TS]

00:21:36   you carry your key around your neck on a [TS]

00:21:39   on a piece of thread for a while [TS]

00:21:41   yeah I had a key then I had an on a [TS]

00:21:43   glow-in-the-dark real estate teaching it [TS]

00:21:45   was the style at the time until I was in [TS]

00:21:47   ninth grade ninth grade I carried my [TS]

00:21:51   house key around my neck on a red piece [TS]

00:21:55   of yarn see I think that's cool when I [TS]

00:21:57   would see kids wearing a key around [TS]

00:21:58   their neck especially if they're younger [TS]

00:21:59   than like 13 [TS]

00:22:00   I've always thought that look that was a [TS]

00:22:02   cool look I was like time your shirt on [TS]

00:22:03   your waist just look cool [TS]

00:22:04   I didn't feel it looked cool because [TS]

00:22:06   every other one of my friends had [TS]

00:22:08   stay-at-home mom and so I was the one [TS]

00:22:11   with the house key [TS]

00:22:12   they didn't have a house key until they [TS]

00:22:14   went to call my moms really boring she's [TS]

00:22:16   a she's a pioneering female computer [TS]

00:22:18   programmer on yet [TS]

00:22:19   Alaskan pipeline sure yeah i know and [TS]

00:22:22   you know those guys so boring and that [TS]

00:22:24   the front door opens for them they don't [TS]

00:22:26   even have to touch the doorknob because [TS]

00:22:27   their mom is standing there looking [TS]

00:22:28   through the keyhole with a selection of [TS]

00:22:30   delicious hostess products that with a [TS]

00:22:32   plate of fresh baked cookies and you [TS]

00:22:34   know and I'm key and into the house and [TS]

00:22:36   and try to allow no I never even I [TS]

00:22:39   didn't say hello i knew there was nobody [TS]

00:22:41   there isn't one mission good get out [TS]

00:22:44   that would with a bit over his shoulder [TS]

00:22:47   at me and run upstairs and I'd try to in [TS]

00:22:49   the furnace to work generally going to [TS]

00:22:55   your dad dies your latchkey kid get your [TS]

00:22:57   mom remarries and military school it's [TS]

00:22:59   like I can already hear i can already [TS]

00:23:02   hear the theme to bless the beasts and [TS]

00:23:04   the children and I'm like two different [TS]

00:23:06   TV movies waiting to happen but you know [TS]

00:23:09   but for me know now that here's the [TS]

00:23:10   thing though for those years like [TS]

00:23:11   especially i would say through 7677 kind [TS]

00:23:15   of subpoena and 78 [TS]

00:23:17   I mean I knew I said this before but I [TS]

00:23:19   literally I didn't need the TV dial that [TS]

00:23:21   was in the Sunday paper [TS]

00:23:22   I knew we didn't work we couldn't afford [TS]

00:23:24   fancy TV Guide but uh but I knew every [TS]

00:23:27   prime time show exactly what I was even [TS]

00:23:29   stuff i didn't watch especially stuff i [TS]

00:23:31   didn't watch because i know you want to [TS]

00:23:32   watch it but think about the show's meld [TS]

00:23:35   all the great shows you got Alice you [TS]

00:23:37   got happy days that followed by Laverne [TS]

00:23:39   and Shirley you got Barney Miller you [TS]

00:23:42   got I mean after I could go on and on [TS]

00:23:44   owners Fantasy Island you have gotten [TS]

00:23:47   fantasy and you get all in the family [TS]

00:23:48   and the jeffersons come on you're [TS]

00:23:50   killing me now i know i don't think [TS]

00:23:52   about sometimes you gotta god ms Romano [TS]

00:23:54   over on the one day at a time [TS]

00:23:56   this is life the time when you get to go [TS]

00:23:59   and have it all remember Snyder [TS]

00:24:00   vulnerabilities [TS]

00:24:01   no I can't remember schneider the guy [TS]

00:24:04   who like myself into the apartment on my [TS]

00:24:05   nose nighters but i'm saying that all I [TS]

00:24:08   can see is Valerie Bertinelli's smiling [TS]

00:24:10   face oh my gosh she was such as such a [TS]

00:24:12   tomboy [TS]

00:24:14   she's a tomboy my bed like that to you [TS]

00:24:17   know Valerie Bertinelli and eddie van [TS]

00:24:20   halen are classic example of people [TS]

00:24:21   marry [TS]

00:24:22   getting their opposite sex doppelganger [TS]

00:24:24   triple younger and I'm sure that if I'm [TS]

00:24:26   sure that they had a dog and I'm sure [TS]

00:24:28   that the dog looked like them [TS]

00:24:29   yeah and that Wolfie a wolfgang is that [TS]

00:24:32   his name [TS]

00:24:33   I you know I still mention name your [TS]

00:24:35   child Wolfgang van Halen well you know [TS]

00:24:36   if you imagine being named mandolin it [TS]

00:24:40   used to sound so weird I i want to see [TS]

00:24:42   that that that first reunion tour the [TS]

00:24:45   the David Lee Roth but with Wolfgang [TS]

00:24:47   mayo and on-base how and he didn't need [TS]

00:24:50   a very passable job the young man so you [TS]

00:24:53   got all of that is so here's here's i'm [TS]

00:24:55   going to toss out a few things and it's [TS]

00:24:56   hard it's almost it's virtually [TS]

00:24:58   impossible for me to talk intelligently [TS]

00:25:00   about this is on the one hand i don't [TS]

00:25:02   know the exact details and that's part [TS]

00:25:03   of the problem but also that I have very [TS]

00:25:05   strong feelings about this but around [TS]

00:25:08   that time I went to military school [TS]

00:25:09   first of all I started being able to [TS]

00:25:11   watch a lot less TV but which picked up [TS]

00:25:14   again after as blessedly went back to [TS]

00:25:16   public school but but think about this [TS]

00:25:19   think about the early eighties and think [TS]

00:25:20   about the switch in programming and [TS]

00:25:22   places like NBC whatever started off [TS]

00:25:24   coming in well but you also got you also [TS]

00:25:26   don't know Hill Street Blues is going to [TS]

00:25:28   change the way we think about dramas ok [TS]

00:25:30   so i think the drama part of the problem [TS]

00:25:31   is the big thrust the sitcom's did start [TS]

00:25:34   getting Dumber but also I mean dumber in [TS]

00:25:37   a less fun way I mean you know Three's [TS]

00:25:39   Company was still around but you know it [TS]

00:25:41   wasn't a universe which mr. Roper was [TS]

00:25:43   gone [TS]

00:25:44   yep and you mr. Furley in their early [TS]

00:25:46   which was you know what's really great [TS]

00:25:48   is a great comedian don't know oh don't [TS]

00:25:50   get me started on Don Knotts Knotts but [TS]

00:25:52   once you like to see all lose Christian [TS]

00:25:56   sure with the with the subsequent [TS]

00:25:57   Chrissy's yeah yeah yeahs the other ones [TS]

00:26:00   yeah you're on cell but then on the [TS]

00:26:02   other thing is like you say i guess i [TS]

00:26:05   don't know i think in the eighties [TS]

00:26:06   everything changed when people today [TS]

00:26:07   think about dumb sitcoms people who are [TS]

00:26:09   old enough to have a nostalgia they [TS]

00:26:11   think of the nineties you think the too [TS]

00:26:13   many cooks type openings right you think [TS]

00:26:15   of those like very silly 96 calm sea [TS]

00:26:17   I've now I have no I people refer to [TS]

00:26:20   nineties sitcoms and I honestly have no [TS]

00:26:25   idea what they're talking about [TS]

00:26:26   oh yeah i think when i was well as I I [TS]

00:26:28   knew them all I just seen every seinfeld [TS]

00:26:31   many many times I don't think I've ever [TS]

00:26:34   seen a full episode of [TS]

00:26:35   full house now or what's the one with [TS]

00:26:38   her call [TS]

00:26:39   like I don't have a family matters like [TS]

00:26:41   you that was way past my time [TS]

00:26:43   yeah I demands then I was looking up [TS]

00:26:46   some place some playmobil toys [TS]

00:26:49   yeah and Lego toys the other day on the [TS]

00:26:51   internet because I was like you know [TS]

00:26:54   what i would like to i would like to [TS]

00:26:55   have classic legos I was I've been very [TS]

00:26:59   upset as legos have become more and more [TS]

00:27:01   kit based in there just aren't those big [TS]

00:27:04   big bins of red white blue i think we [TS]

00:27:08   had yellow red white blue yellow [TS]

00:27:10   mhm green-eyed of them I don't even [TS]

00:27:13   think there were five colors we have [TS]

00:27:14   three different colors of green do plus [TS]

00:27:17   now i realize the other day [TS]

00:27:18   yeah so I was looking on the internet [TS]

00:27:20   and i know so i put in I'm trying to you [TS]

00:27:22   know you tried game ebay with your [TS]

00:27:24   search terms and I was like a vintage [TS]

00:27:26   lego lot and i would get I got all these [TS]

00:27:30   replies that are all these responses [TS]

00:27:32   that were like 1997 vintage legos was [TS]

00:27:35   like die a thousand deaths 1997 is not [TS]

00:27:38   vintage anything but for some people [TS]

00:27:41   young 1970 is not vintage anything [TS]

00:27:46   really is that 1997 doesn't even exist [TS]

00:27:50   it does not exist to me it is a it is a [TS]

00:27:53   nine-year it's just a nun [TS]

00:27:55   it's a nun place don't associate with [TS]

00:27:57   nineteen nineties what happened to you [TS]

00:27:58   in 1997 trying to remember the year [TS]

00:28:01   before i moved to even house I was [TS]

00:28:06   married two years at that point about a [TS]

00:28:08   year and a half two years and I [TS]

00:28:10   musically it was before we put out our [TS]

00:28:14   yeah i don't think i need something [TS]

00:28:15   happened i think was a point here is my [TS]

00:28:17   year was a total body but you get what [TS]

00:28:19   you give what were you uh what were you [TS]

00:28:20   in one family player second button but [TS]

00:28:22   it was the little what I guess would be [TS]

00:28:25   the last year the last full year of the [TS]

00:28:28   bun family players so some might say the [TS]

00:28:30   the the heyday of the bun family players [TS]

00:28:32   as those some being whom you know there [TS]

00:28:37   are hundred and twenty-five superfans [TS]

00:28:39   who come for those of you who are not [TS]

00:28:42   playing Roderick online bingo the bun [TS]

00:28:44   family players were [TS]

00:28:46   banned in the nineties like your first [TS]

00:28:48   big seattle back first real rock band we [TS]

00:28:51   were called the bun family players [TS]

00:28:52   because we tried to pick an [TS]

00:28:54   intentionally difficult to like name [TS]

00:28:56   that uh that said that she heard the [TS]

00:28:59   dominant paradigm there was one guy in [TS]

00:29:02   our band do my best friend who really [TS]

00:29:05   wanted us to be named something like [TS]

00:29:07   chunk or pile or a you know dirt because [TS]

00:29:13   that was the fashion at the time and all [TS]

00:29:15   the all the bands that were cool we're [TS]

00:29:17   all called like to land grunts and had [TS]

00:29:21   dad ass and I was like now we should be [TS]

00:29:24   called something else we're different [TS]

00:29:26   were not a grunge band wear something [TS]

00:29:27   else we should we should have a name [TS]

00:29:28   that reflects our hard difficulty in our [TS]

00:29:31   are you know our smartness and all the [TS]

00:29:34   all the bands that came out of that era [TS]

00:29:36   where all all had three names and her [TS]

00:29:40   three word names and they were all hard [TS]

00:29:42   to listen to and we were one of a bun [TS]

00:29:44   family players really it's a terrible [TS]

00:29:45   terrible band name but we were we were [TS]

00:29:49   not a terrible band but anyway that's [TS]

00:29:51   1997 was this year where it's like do I [TS]

00:29:54   remember where i lived in nineteen you [TS]

00:29:55   can't remember having to fight song from [TS]

00:29:57   1997 was that my heart will go on [TS]

00:30:03   nope that's 98 was that about still [TS]

00:30:06   feels like the arrow where every song [TS]

00:30:08   had a had a moment where the singer went [TS]

00:30:10   here ya go ya popped up right like [TS]

00:30:15   you're like yeah you mean like the the [TS]

00:30:17   donuts you your own yeah it now my round [TS]

00:30:22   my mom around my area [TS]

00:30:24   yeah what song was that that was by a [TS]

00:30:26   band that i actually went to see later [TS]

00:30:28   and it's an offspring it turned out that [TS]

00:30:31   they were there music didn't sound [TS]

00:30:34   anything like that song else that's how [TS]

00:30:36   they get you [TS]

00:30:37   you know what I mean low but like it was [TS]

00:30:38   kind of their music maybe was better [TS]

00:30:40   than without it was good very wrong with [TS]

00:30:43   your Hall was that from [TS]

00:30:45   that's the earlier no idea i think [TS]

00:30:47   probably earlier MMOs closing times on [TS]

00:30:50   closing time we had a bet you I would [TS]

00:30:52   put that in 97 close [TS]

00:30:55   time you don't have to go home but you [TS]

00:30:57   can't stay here [TS]

00:30:59   yeah that that's a good song was that [TS]

00:31:01   electrostatic where they called classes [TS]

00:31:03   I'm you know what you know what that [TS]

00:31:05   song is a song I Semisonic sorry 1998 [TS]

00:31:09   from their album feeling strangely fine [TS]

00:31:11   i feel like that is a courteney cox song [TS]

00:31:13   it was that there's an entire part of [TS]

00:31:18   the culture that that that orbits around [TS]

00:31:20   our generation that I just put in the [TS]

00:31:23   courteney cox category i would love to [TS]

00:31:26   get that kind of pitches she was who's [TS]

00:31:29   the who's the the dummy that she's [TS]

00:31:31   married to or was married to David our [TS]

00:31:33   cat David Arquette right so I do i know [TS]

00:31:35   that horny cogs and what did like [TS]

00:31:38   fucking know that I want those blocks of [TS]

00:31:40   my drive back [TS]

00:31:41   what is a duvet it's like you don't want [TS]

00:31:45   to do they [TS]

00:31:48   so she and David Arquette are married to [TS]

00:31:51   each other and they are the people that [TS]

00:31:53   are in the in the culture they are the [TS]

00:31:55   people that magazines are writing about [TS]

00:31:57   and I remember looking at magazines and [TS]

00:31:59   saying I could not care less about them [TS]

00:32:03   I trim trying to kill us about their not [TS]

00:32:05   i cannot ride when I don't know who [TS]

00:32:07   people are on the cover of a magazine [TS]

00:32:08   pride that problem is with us now we're [TS]

00:32:10   just old we don't know going out because [TS]

00:32:12   we don't know right but at the time I [TS]

00:32:14   knew who they were [TS]

00:32:15   I couldn't care less about them and [TS]

00:32:17   their and the fact that they were [TS]

00:32:19   probably listening to closing time [TS]

00:32:21   oh but that song and all the associated [TS]

00:32:24   a culture into a into a character look [TS]

00:32:29   into it was like a swirl now the press [TS]

00:32:33   the beginnings of old man chunking an [TS]

00:32:35   old man chuckling we call them where you [TS]

00:32:37   suddenly just gotten up that's not for [TS]

00:32:38   me because everything the file is that [TS]

00:32:40   people a little bit pink huh its latest [TS]

00:32:43   uh yeah old man chunking but i was still [TS]

00:32:46   a young enough person that uh that I [TS]

00:32:50   shouldn't tell because the thing is I [TS]

00:32:52   did care slightly about Jennifer [TS]

00:32:54   Aniston's i see i think it's a ginger [TS]

00:32:56   Marianne type situation [TS]

00:32:57   ok alright alright I I agree I agree I I [TS]

00:33:01   was worried about Jennifer yeah i still [TS]

00:33:04   am worried she seems genuinely nice i'm [TS]

00:33:06   just i'm not [TS]

00:33:07   sure she is but I I just worried that [TS]

00:33:09   she didn't get what she wanted out of [TS]

00:33:11   life you know she said that here's the [TS]

00:33:13   here's the double problem with us with [TS]

00:33:15   the closing time problem is that I later [TS]

00:33:17   on became good friends with one of the [TS]

00:33:20   guys in the band and Semisonic yeah John [TS]

00:33:24   Munson is in that band and John Munson [TS]

00:33:26   is like this he does the music for John [TS]

00:33:29   Mo's television show and he and I've [TS]

00:33:32   played music and watch on months and [TS]

00:33:33   over here is this hello [TS]

00:33:35   so I think you and Dan Wilson and Jacob [TS]

00:33:37   schlichter we're very good man i liked [TS]

00:33:39   your song chemistry whatever john says [TS]

00:33:41   jon jon is an amazing guy and I I don't [TS]

00:33:44   even know if he had any handwriting [TS]

00:33:46   closing time but it's certainly a you [TS]

00:33:48   know is a wonderful and one of the guys [TS]

00:33:50   in his band wrote that very interesting [TS]

00:33:51   book so it ends up being that I can't [TS]

00:33:54   hate a closing time or Semisonic mm and [TS]

00:33:59   now i have to go back and revisit how I [TS]

00:34:01   feel about David are cast I crazy talk [TS]

00:34:03   about growing up see you might run into [TS]

00:34:05   he might be an indie filmmaker now who [TS]

00:34:07   wants to use car parts first commercial [TS]

00:34:09   David Arquette you need i don't know i [TS]

00:34:11   don't follow him [TS]

00:34:12   this is the problem with this podcast is [TS]

00:34:13   a said so many things over the years and [TS]

00:34:16   then one day somebody's gonna come and [TS]

00:34:19   they're gonna say oh I'd love to you [TS]

00:34:20   know if I start making movies with David [TS]

00:34:23   Arquette yeah and then God willing right [TS]

00:34:26   right and shah and then somebody a who [TS]

00:34:29   somebody who like I mean the thing is [TS]

00:34:32   that our are loyalists fans right yeah [TS]

00:34:34   can get Marmion he's never going to [TS]

00:34:36   betray us [TS]

00:34:38   I don't knowingly oh you think really [TS]

00:34:40   think well I think she's there is a [TS]

00:34:41   resource you been and if people ways [TS]

00:34:43   through which she worked for the [TS]

00:34:44   opposition [TS]

00:34:45   I think she's like a librarian in the [TS]

00:34:47   sense that she's not gonna tell you not [TS]

00:34:49   to read that is here's the propositions [TS]

00:34:51   agnostic she's like well I think the [TS]

00:34:53   here's the problem with this show is [TS]

00:34:54   it's almost impossible to figure out [TS]

00:34:56   where we talked about something [TS]

00:34:57   especially if it was more than once and [TS]

00:34:59   yet it's almost certain that every [TS]

00:35:01   terrible thing that we've said we'll be [TS]

00:35:03   we'll find the light of day David [TS]

00:35:06   Arquette might have you on a short list [TS]

00:35:07   right now the thing is the David [TS]

00:35:08   Arquette is probably not right now [TS]

00:35:10   listening the program but if he and I [TS]

00:35:13   make a couple movies together somebody's [TS]

00:35:15   going to say hey David Jerry what he [TS]

00:35:16   said about you and then you know like [TS]

00:35:18   I'm still waiting for [TS]

00:35:20   day and what is but one of my wife [TS]

00:35:22   watched his watches program on netflix [TS]

00:35:24   and said it was very funny that his [TS]

00:35:26   harmontown show [TS]

00:35:27   oh yeah I'm not awful she said she's [TS]

00:35:29   been sick and so she's been watching [TS]

00:35:31   harmontown she said I she said it's a [TS]

00:35:33   lot like something you guys would do you [TS]

00:35:34   believe that I said that my wife fucking [TS]

00:35:36   wife said that to me I really hurts my [TS]

00:35:38   feelings [TS]

00:35:39   ok good thing is i am convinced the damn [TS]

00:35:41   Harmon and I are gonna be once again [TS]

00:35:42   standing in front of each other looking [TS]

00:35:44   at each other [TS]

00:35:45   you gonna give me another chance I don't [TS]

00:35:47   know I have no idea what's gonna happen [TS]

00:35:49   and I don't know you know he might he [TS]

00:35:52   might look at me and say I you keep [TS]

00:35:54   showing up in my twitter feed [TS]

00:35:56   because people are like a making jokes [TS]

00:35:58   did you see the picture of Dan Harmon at [TS]

00:36:01   south by southwest and a guy in the [TS]

00:36:03   front row is wearing a rock on the line [TS]

00:36:05   t-shirt oh shit really standing right in [TS]

00:36:07   front of him learn his riders on the [TS]

00:36:09   line t-shirt and I'm like I don't know [TS]

00:36:10   if Dan Harmon I don't even know if Dan [TS]

00:36:12   Harmon can see that far because he's a [TS]

00:36:14   middle-aged guy he probably needs [TS]

00:36:16   reading glasses like the rest of us do [TS]

00:36:18   maybe you didn't even see the teacher [TS]

00:36:19   maybe if you did see that he doesn't [TS]

00:36:20   know what it means maybe if he does know [TS]

00:36:22   what it means he doesn't care who knows [TS]

00:36:23   but one of these days he and I are gonna [TS]

00:36:25   be stuck in an elevator together it'll [TS]

00:36:27   come up and maybe Jay Z's gonna be in [TS]

00:36:30   there and it's gonna you know [TS]

00:36:31   yeah it would be very confusing yeah [TS]

00:36:33   okay so here's the thing they uh [TS]

00:36:36   Semisonic had four singles in 1996 they [TS]

00:36:41   had two singles in 1998 well they had a [TS]

00:36:43   single in 1999 see 97 does not exist [TS]

00:36:47   1997 does not exist it's a by year and [TS]

00:36:50   nothing happened i can see i could go to [TS]

00:36:52   Wikipedia and look up what movies came [TS]

00:36:53   out this year but i'm pretty sure given [TS]

00:36:55   that is user edit mostly be errors i [TS]

00:36:58   don't remember anything that happened in [TS]

00:36:59   1997 I wonder if back put something out [TS]

00:37:02   of 19 it seems you know what 97 back you [TS]

00:37:05   would put out like a record single or [TS]

00:37:07   something yeah like this one better he [TS]

00:37:09   put out something kind of crazy and then [TS]

00:37:11   what about what about either or 1998 I [TS]

00:37:16   feel like it's maybe 8-10 yours 98 [TS]

00:37:19   excess 99 i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:37:21   uh-uh harvey danger is where all the [TS]

00:37:23   merrymakers gone what 97 i wonder if [TS]

00:37:26   that didn't come out in nineteen and IDK [TS]

00:37:28   man 1994 I think that's an error [TS]

00:37:29   no yeah I would know 94 no 94 they were [TS]

00:37:33   still [TS]

00:37:33   and at the lake union pub and people [TS]

00:37:34   were throwing out the bib beer bottles [TS]

00:37:37   for the piano friends this episode of [TS]

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00:38:57   leading the 97 for me and so so here we [TS]

00:39:03   are now I don't even know what year it [TS]

00:39:05   is and uh okay wait a minute what year [TS]

00:39:09   what year did Star Wars a minus-3 come [TS]

00:39:13   out star wars the the part part 3 does [TS]

00:39:16   no not really but minus 3 part 3the the [TS]

00:39:19   first but the nominally first one of the [TS]

00:39:22   series as our if you used to call [TS]

00:39:24   episode 1 which i call episode- 3i think [TS]

00:39:27   it came out in I believe making any 999 [TS]

00:39:30   yeah [TS]

00:39:32   mmm [TS]

00:39:32   and i think the third one came out i [TS]

00:39:35   want to say in 2005 I was thinking about [TS]

00:39:39   this the other day i have started [TS]

00:39:41   watching the better call saul program [TS]

00:39:43   mhm which I have been enjoying because i [TS]

00:39:48   like the star [TS]

00:39:50   I like the actor I know you do replace [TS]

00:39:52   the star and I like we bonded over him [TS]

00:39:54   very early on [TS]

00:39:55   yes we did we made many of our earliest [TS]

00:39:57   interactions I think we're about mr. [TS]

00:39:58   show [TS]

00:39:59   I I think that's true and I feel like [TS]

00:40:01   mr. Odenkirk is one of the great [TS]

00:40:02   Americans and I feel like the best thing [TS]

00:40:05   about Bob Odenkirk is his complete [TS]

00:40:08   inability to a British accent or any [TS]

00:40:09   kind of accent also his singing is [TS]

00:40:11   pretty special you can do it another day [TS]

00:40:14   I'm the big actor say San Francisco duty [TS]

00:40:20   city filled with criminality New Orleans [TS]

00:40:24   full of water [TS]

00:40:25   he did he's terrible at accents but he's [TS]

00:40:28   amazing and so I like him and I also [TS]

00:40:30   like the protagonist of the show which [TS]

00:40:32   is a character played by bombs the park [TS]

00:40:34   oh ok I hear it's good to see the pacing [TS]

00:40:36   take some getting used to but slow the [TS]

00:40:38   killer guy that works in the parking lot [TS]

00:40:40   yeah I'm not so sure about that and that [TS]

00:40:41   is part of the problem it is the prequel [TS]

00:40:43   problem where I feel like the star wars [TS]

00:40:47   episodes negative 3 negative 2 and [TS]

00:40:49   negative 1 [TS]

00:40:50   I might adopt that you get the entire [TS]

00:40:54   time you're watching all of them and i [TS]

00:40:57   can't speak from experience because i [TS]

00:40:58   have only watched the I only watch [TS]

00:41:00   negative 1 I didn't watch negative 3 or [TS]

00:41:02   negative 2 because I couldn't stand even [TS]

00:41:03   the idea of Jar Jar Binks [TS]

00:41:06   yeah but i imagine that you're just [TS]

00:41:09   waiting for dr manner to arrive the [TS]

00:41:10   entire time [TS]

00:41:12   yeah right you're just waiting for the [TS]

00:41:14   things that you know to make their first [TS]

00:41:16   appearance and so this [TS]

00:41:19   the problem with better call Saul is [TS]

00:41:20   that I'm sitting there and I'm wait and [TS]

00:41:21   you know and and they and their [TS]

00:41:22   conscious of that they're not dummies [TS]

00:41:24   and so it's just like when am I first [TS]

00:41:27   going to see these people that I already [TS]

00:41:30   know and and what is the surprise what's [TS]

00:41:33   the surprise of their review will do [TS]

00:41:34   that like I mean I don't watch the show [TS]

00:41:35   I've heard several things on fresh air [TS]

00:41:37   about it but I'm going to plead it [TS]

00:41:39   really is its own entity it is its own [TS]

00:41:42   entity but there's just enough they're [TS]

00:41:43   just seeing the their seating it enough [TS]

00:41:45   they can't resist it right the first [TS]

00:41:48   time that Gus fring appears on the [TS]

00:41:51   screen at the old guy o.o spring was the [TS]

00:41:54   chicken guy right okay I i don't know i [TS]

00:41:57   don't remember either his name just [TS]

00:41:58   popped into my head and I thought I [TS]

00:41:59   would drop a mint and feel it seem [TS]

00:42:01   knowledgeable but you must read a little [TS]

00:42:03   bit too because you're going like oh [TS]

00:42:04   it's gonna be a young Jesse at a [TS]

00:42:06   playground right just like I have to go [TS]

00:42:09   to this school to serve a warrant and [TS]

00:42:11   there's a teacher there and got a full [TS]

00:42:13   head of hair and wearing a dress [TS]

00:42:15   yeah sure is a wimpy guy i don't want [TS]

00:42:17   that to happen and I feel like this the [TS]

00:42:18   show runners have to know that that is a [TS]

00:42:21   risk and let's just see but it but that [TS]

00:42:24   but that's the thing that that's more [TS]

00:42:26   information already that i have to have [TS]

00:42:29   to wrestle with every time I try and [TS]

00:42:31   watch one of these television programs [TS]

00:42:33   i'm already wrestling [TS]

00:42:34   yeah with expectation and that is not a [TS]

00:42:37   thing that you have with the show that [TS]

00:42:39   you've never seen but in that case I [TS]

00:42:42   don't have any interest in seeing them [TS]

00:42:43   at all so it's tough it's tough i've [TS]

00:42:47   been really debating whether or not to [TS]

00:42:48   show my daughter who just recently had a [TS]

00:42:51   birthday and I want to say anything [TS]

00:42:52   happy birthday that's nice [TS]

00:42:54   oh but I've been wrestling with whether [TS]

00:42:56   or not to show her frozen the film which [TS]

00:42:59   everybody raves about have you seen it i [TS]

00:43:01   have not seen it [TS]

00:43:02   none of us have seen it but she is [TS]

00:43:04   absorbing it from the culture enough she [TS]

00:43:07   came into the day and she was like Elsa [TS]

00:43:09   wears a blue dress and I would this is [TS]

00:43:13   something I already knew and she said [TS]

00:43:15   and she has a song and it goes like this [TS]

00:43:19   let it go let it go let it go let it go [TS]

00:43:24   and she walks around the house for the [TS]

00:43:26   next 15 minutes singing let it go [TS]

00:43:28   a song which I don't know if she's ever [TS]

00:43:30   heard but she had only had those lyrics [TS]

00:43:32   let it go [TS]

00:43:33   Wow and she walked around singing let it [TS]

00:43:35   go at the top of her lungs and this was [TS]

00:43:37   else's song and she knew these things I [TS]

00:43:41   think she just got them for us she [TS]

00:43:43   picked them off on off the toilet seat [TS]

00:43:45   they are a contagion he picked up frozen [TS]

00:43:49   from a she's in there a contagion of ed [TS]

00:43:51   I think so she's a terrible thing but so [TS]

00:43:55   so somebody gave her a gift for her [TS]

00:43:58   birthday with the pros [TS]

00:43:59   as a component of it because like all [TS]

00:44:02   great brands you are now i'm sure i am [TS]

00:44:05   absolutely sure if you wanted to buy a [TS]

00:44:08   heckler in cock 9-millimeter [TS]

00:44:11   semi-automatic police rifle you could [TS]

00:44:13   get a frozen branded one it's got all [TS]

00:44:16   off right on there right all often that [TS]

00:44:17   and and uh and also she pronounced no [TS]

00:44:21   love lost she was like his name is Ulla [TS]

00:44:23   this is a thing John this is the thing [TS]

00:44:24   this there's a whole article i want to [TS]

00:44:26   see the new york times about kids who [TS]

00:44:27   are in star wars that have never seen [TS]

00:44:28   Star Wars may not even have seen like [TS]

00:44:31   the cartoon but you know that there are [TS]

00:44:33   other are some things that are such a [TS]

00:44:34   phenomenon the kids like my daughter's [TS]

00:44:36   never played Minecraft but she loves [TS]

00:44:38   everything related to Minecraft she [TS]

00:44:40   bought her ten dollars with a minecraft [TS]

00:44:42   cutouts at the walgreens because she [TS]

00:44:44   loves papercraft and made a bunch of [TS]

00:44:46   little black sheep i feel like i was a [TS]

00:44:49   member of KISS Army in 1977 and I really [TS]

00:44:52   i had only ever heard bets that's a [TS]

00:44:54   perfect that's a perfect example yeah [TS]

00:44:55   that's exactly it is exactly the same [TS]

00:44:57   thing like how many kids that one of the [TS]

00:44:59   KISS Army patch pay five dollars or [TS]

00:45:01   whatever like how many of those kids [TS]

00:45:03   like heavy and even own destroyer [TS]

00:45:04   probably not like they have 9 but like [TS]

00:45:06   surprisingly few I didn't own destroyer [TS]

00:45:09   but I i guess i heard detroit rock city [TS]

00:45:11   but anyway so i'm debating whether or [TS]

00:45:14   not to show this program and so she [TS]

00:45:15   brings this little she unwrap this [TS]

00:45:17   present she brings it in [TS]

00:45:19   she shows it to my eight-year-old mother [TS]

00:45:20   who looks at the pictures of the two [TS]

00:45:22   girls Elsa and Constantine or or [TS]

00:45:25   whatever [TS]

00:45:26   Anna maybe a ana oh actually actually I [TS]

00:45:29   was corrected in the pronunciation of [TS]

00:45:30   that by my by my a loquacious daughter [TS]

00:45:34   who said its honor on a new love you [TS]

00:45:38   anyway my mom looks at the cover of the [TS]

00:45:40   box and she goes [TS]

00:45:41   they look like monsters thanks grandma [TS]

00:45:45   and Marlo you know looks taken aback and [TS]

00:45:48   I'm a little taken aback and I'm like [TS]

00:45:49   what do you mean she says look their [TS]

00:45:50   eyeballs are one-third the size of their [TS]

00:45:53   face area it's like equivalent to a baby [TS]

00:45:56   likely that you like the proportions of [TS]

00:45:58   a baby face but with the sharp angles of [TS]

00:46:01   a supermodel [TS]

00:46:02   it's like to the proportions of a baby [TS]

00:46:03   face if you are talking about a baby [TS]

00:46:06   Komodo dragon [TS]

00:46:08   yeah baby gray right there there who [TS]

00:46:11   photos and so my mom is like they're [TS]

00:46:13   they're disgusting they're either the [TS]

00:46:15   big eyes they look like lizards and [TS]

00:46:17   Marlo's now looking at the frozen [TS]

00:46:19   characters through the eyes of her [TS]

00:46:21   beloved nana and I'm like well now wait [TS]

00:46:25   a minute hold on like I need to [TS]

00:46:26   intervene i think a little bit here in [TS]

00:46:28   this conversation because that these are [TS]

00:46:30   these are characters that every child [TS]

00:46:34   that she knows every I'm like mom every [TS]

00:46:36   kid she knows thinks that these are the [TS]

00:46:38   models of like Beauty and and these are [TS]

00:46:42   the princess's these these are the [TS]

00:46:44   princesses and my mom is like they're [TS]

00:46:46   repulsive and so now Marla was carrying [TS]

00:46:50   that around today in her mind and i [TS]

00:46:53   actually took the frozen thing and I was [TS]

00:46:55   like the frozen game is going to live on [TS]

00:46:58   a farm and one day we'll go visit it and [TS]

00:47:02   it will remember you and miles like how [TS]

00:47:05   that's going to go in on a farm like a [TS]

00:47:07   lot like is the influence because i [TS]

00:47:10   don't know i have not resolved i have [TS]

00:47:13   not resolved how I'm going to deal with [TS]

00:47:14   the encroachment on our lives of these [TS]

00:47:19   things that we have not it feel it feels [TS]

00:47:22   like she came home from school and she [TS]

00:47:23   was like mom dad have you ever gone [TS]

00:47:26   clear I'm JK Dooley would you like to [TS]

00:47:30   take a personality assessment test like [TS]

00:47:33   it's just a thing that like where did [TS]

00:47:34   this come from line up with the body [TS]

00:47:36   thetans I don't want this in my house I [TS]

00:47:39   don't want I don't want people coming [TS]

00:47:40   home with these things [TS]

00:47:43   yeah and yet yet I feel I feel the song [TS]

00:47:49   i feel be I feel the home of surrender [TS]

00:47:54   yeah just surrender to frozen it's a [TS]

00:47:56   fait accompli everybody's doing it [TS]

00:47:58   really really is it it's the phenomenon [TS]

00:48:01   of my daughter's childhood where I mean [TS]

00:48:04   I you know like you go to school I go to [TS]

00:48:06   volunteer whatever go on a field trip [TS]

00:48:08   and some little boys but like definitely [TS]

00:48:12   like a legion of little girls will [TS]

00:48:14   apropos of nothing [TS]

00:48:16   suddenly break into let go and sing the [TS]

00:48:18   entire song and does it doesn't have [TS]

00:48:20   more lyrics then just let it go [TS]

00:48:21   over and over yeah you can wear back [TS]

00:48:23   anymore let you know is it by a popstar [TS]

00:48:26   never bothered or any kind of thing is a [TS]

00:48:28   Broadway star which maybe is a lea [TS]

00:48:30   what's her name [TS]

00:48:31   it's a little Kim I forget her name dad [TS]

00:48:34   how we met Helen Mirren i'm not sure but [TS]

00:48:36   she I want to see it will fit little [TS]

00:48:38   kitten and helen mirren star in the [TS]

00:48:41   broad raise an additional I'd almost go [TS]

00:48:45   to that i would pay money to see that [TS]

00:48:47   now Helen Mirren you know very [TS]

00:48:49   attractive lady repairman Helen Helen [TS]

00:48:52   Mirren and Dame Judi Dench I i heard [TS]

00:48:55   they don't get this right [TS]

00:48:57   so for me this isn't the three old lady [TS]

00:48:59   English actions have a crush on you and [TS]

00:49:01   Maggie Smith right you got Helen Mirren [TS]

00:49:03   you gotta judi dench yeah and they all [TS]

00:49:05   they all have pictures from the fifties [TS]

00:49:07   where they're like we're like there's a [TS]

00:49:09   nipple slip or whatever they're all [TS]

00:49:10   little dirty right really I just feel [TS]

00:49:13   like there were I feel like they were [TS]

00:49:14   they were all doing a doing some [TS]

00:49:17   gossamer blouse photo shoots back in 49 [TS]

00:49:21   to look into that one day we were [TS]

00:49:22   watching harry potter out one of the [TS]

00:49:24   Harry Potter movies i did a lot of [TS]

00:49:25   maggie smith good length [TS]

00:49:27   ok but nothing that you know a few [TS]

00:49:29   things make me feel lower than having a [TS]

00:49:31   drink while I'm watching harry potter [TS]

00:49:32   with my daughter and I'm looking for [TS]

00:49:34   dirty pictures of Maggie Smith and that [TS]

00:49:36   awful but you gotta do not dirty not [TS]

00:49:39   dirty but very empowered improvise yeah [TS]

00:49:42   or perhaps up from its Judy Dench judi [TS]

00:49:46   dench was a Christian do your hat model [TS]

00:49:49   no yes in w say if the sixties she's got [TS]

00:49:53   like a Twiggy she went to a twinkie face [TS]

00:49:56   she's she is amazing [TS]

00:49:58   I man heard this james bond movies so [TS]

00:50:00   great you know I bet I bet on remember [TS]

00:50:03   because I don't follow these things but [TS]

00:50:04   I bet there's a lot of dust up when they [TS]

00:50:06   announced that she was going to BM 0 [TS]

00:50:08   think it's great that she was going to [TS]

00:50:10   BM she does that in one of the Bombers [TS]

00:50:12   make it got some books [TS]

00:50:16   stop right there [TS]

00:50:24   ello governor it only 15 years JK that [TS]

00:50:35   come over right Roger and I just have [TS]

00:50:43   those Dame's out to anybody [TS]

00:50:44   you gotta really be em right right that [TS]

00:50:48   game comes with a cost [TS]

00:50:49   oh god no the royal family was German [TS]

00:50:56   [Music] [TS]