Roderick on the Line

Ep. 144: "Gravy Fountain"


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00:00:19   hello a John hi Merlin has it going good [TS]

00:00:25   so good I'm so grateful to you for [TS]

00:00:28   sometimes being willing to push all I [TS]

00:00:31   can push you push and and sometimes you [TS]

00:00:34   know there's a part of me that says [TS]

00:00:36   don't don't stay on target [TS]

00:00:39   mhm stay on target I just want to bring [TS]

00:00:42   out the best in you [TS]

00:00:43   yeah but pushing sometimes helps yeah i [TS]

00:00:47   was on my way in today and you know of [TS]

00:00:49   course i only have an AM radio in my [TS]

00:00:51   truck and so I'm listening to the radio [TS]

00:00:56   station kxi which was my dad's radio [TS]

00:01:00   station they used to play like a steady [TS]

00:01:02   diet of just the once we got your Frank [TS]

00:01:04   Sinatra music yeah just the big bands [TS]

00:01:06   just the blue hair the blue hairs but [TS]

00:01:09   all those people are dead now [TS]

00:01:11   yeah and so the radio station still [TS]

00:01:14   exists and I've seen this before with [TS]

00:01:18   radio radio station sort of play [TS]

00:01:21   what do they call it the the demographic [TS]

00:01:27   rotation [TS]

00:01:28   mmm yeah radio station called demo well [TS]

00:01:32   but I'm talking about like the music [TS]

00:01:34   that they play on a radio station is [TS]

00:01:36   called the programming programming and [TS]

00:01:40   the programming has switched i'm driving [TS]

00:01:42   in and the djs talking to me and he says [TS]

00:01:44   he says you know there are a lot of [TS]

00:01:46   differences between men and women did [TS]

00:01:49   you know men are more likely to be [TS]

00:01:51   colorblind huh [TS]

00:01:54   this is john tesh for kxi radio and the [TS]

00:01:58   DJ is John Tesh what [TS]

00:02:01   yeah I was like a day like a franchise [TS]

00:02:04   kinda do know he's these give he's [TS]

00:02:06   giving the call signs for pre-k ixi and [TS]

00:02:11   that's why I listen to him for a while [TS]

00:02:13   and he's like Barry Manilow is the music [TS]

00:02:16   of our generation [TS]

00:02:18   it's just I was like what generation is [TS]

00:02:21   he talking about [TS]

00:02:22   right right like this was the radio [TS]

00:02:24   station of the of the greatest [TS]

00:02:25   generation who are all gone and so now [TS]

00:02:28   it's been it's been replaced [TS]

00:02:30   they've likes these people have kind of [TS]

00:02:32   stepped in and taken over and they're [TS]

00:02:35   not i don't think the baby boomers would [TS]

00:02:38   characterize Barry Manilow as the music [TS]

00:02:40   of their generation [TS]

00:02:42   no I don't think they would I don't [TS]

00:02:43   think they even if they like Barry [TS]

00:02:45   Manilow I don't think that's the example [TS]

00:02:47   they were probably right so so who is he [TS]

00:02:50   talking to [TS]

00:02:51   I don't know the radio seems i guess [TS]

00:02:53   it's always been a strange thing but it [TS]

00:02:55   really it seems so odd now listen mostly [TS]

00:02:58   to public radio or on the radio and [TS]

00:03:01   sometimes will flip over and I first of [TS]

00:03:05   all just the commercials are so [TS]

00:03:06   depressing [TS]

00:03:07   that's it did you get that on your ka ax [TS]

00:03:11   I question the commercials are going to [TS]

00:03:13   be very depressing on kxi because [TS]

00:03:16   they're mostly for like ensure the like [TS]

00:03:23   vitamin enriched oh yeah sure why I feel [TS]

00:03:27   like I hear a lot of like financial [TS]

00:03:29   desperation and oh right that's it [TS]

00:03:32   that's it that's a pretty big one losing [TS]

00:03:34   your home [TS]

00:03:35   uhm yeah there's all payday loans and [TS]

00:03:38   stuff like that but that's and that's [TS]

00:03:39   you know typical daytime fair but it's [TS]

00:03:41   strange I mean I too amazing to think [TS]

00:03:44   how much that industry must have changed [TS]

00:03:45   but we've got a station here that I like [TS]

00:03:47   a lot i like a lot [TS]

00:03:50   it's very funny and for some reason it [TS]

00:03:51   did the entire concept of the station to [TS]

00:03:53   light the lights me you know i got quite [TS]

00:03:55   tower here you have a station called [TS]

00:03:57   Khao IIT 98.5 kiddo I t an FM station [TS]

00:04:04   whose primary arm claim to fame is it [TS]

00:04:08   claims to be the station that everybody [TS]

00:04:09   can listen to it work [TS]

00:04:11   oh right because it never says anything [TS]

00:04:13   your place anything sketchy [TS]

00:04:15   yeah it's all it's all its it's [TS]

00:04:17   basically and it's funny is if you're in [TS]

00:04:19   an elevator or a waiting room or [TS]

00:04:21   anywhere where there is a radio playing [TS]

00:04:23   its probably koma relaxing [TS]

00:04:26   yeah I feel like k KX I is the used to [TS]

00:04:29   be that for sure you know they would [TS]

00:04:32   maybe they play the lady is a tramp [TS]

00:04:34   which would be no singed some eyebrows [TS]

00:04:38   selassie but uh but now this this this [TS]

00:04:42   change in programming to reflect the [TS]

00:04:44   musical tastes of a generation I can't [TS]

00:04:46   quite put my finger on [TS]

00:04:48   they do play the lady is a tramp but [TS]

00:04:52   it's some later version of us [TS]

00:04:54   oh where it's like hate California it's [TS]

00:04:59   cold and it's damn that is it mr. [TS]

00:05:04   Sinatra well no it's a mean that it's an [TS]

00:05:07   imitation of him but it's like the [TS]

00:05:10   instrumentation is a little bit more [TS]

00:05:12   little bit more good Vegas see tubular [TS]

00:05:17   bells II and and ended some I don't know [TS]

00:05:21   I can't [TS]

00:05:22   it's like is there actually a generation [TS]

00:05:24   in between i know there is a generation [TS]

00:05:26   in between the am between the the world [TS]

00:05:30   war two generation and the baby boomer [TS]

00:05:32   generation better that that think of [TS]

00:05:33   themselves as a kind of lost or silent [TS]

00:05:36   generation but are they big enough to to [TS]

00:05:39   justify a radio station [TS]

00:05:41   yeah when you have to imagine that all [TS]

00:05:43   the decision-making that goes into that [TS]

00:05:44   is extremely market-driven and it's been [TS]

00:05:47   particular i mean i don't mean I'm just [TS]

00:05:50   cynical but I i would have to guess that [TS]

00:05:53   the greatest boon for any radio station [TS]

00:05:55   is to very clearly be able to identify [TS]

00:05:59   who's listening and I'll say one thing [TS]

00:06:02   you know one thing that makes that hard [TS]

00:06:04   today is when they do things like [TS]

00:06:05   surveys first of all people love surveys [TS]

00:06:08   not only talking about your soul sunday [TS]

00:06:10   are so it serves you right excuse to [TS]

00:06:14   like it so now it's the thing we can [TS]

00:06:15   measure you know but also you know [TS]

00:06:18   they're the ones who have home telephone [TS]

00:06:20   lines so when you call they pick up the [TS]

00:06:22   phone and we'll answer [TS]

00:06:23   mhm these kids today they don't do that [TS]

00:06:26   you can't call them on their on their [TS]

00:06:29   selfie sticks and I just Instagram on [TS]

00:06:31   her selfie stick [TS]

00:06:32   sender I'm sorry meeting a little bit of [TS]

00:06:35   frozen bacon [TS]

00:06:36   how is it well I didn't realize that it [TS]

00:06:38   was going to create such a saucy of [TS]

00:06:41   sound I have these up ten ships [TS]

00:06:46   we don't usually eat on the program know [TS]

00:06:49   your dirty dirty brand potato chips [TS]

00:06:51   there that's the brand 30 brand dirty [TS]

00:06:55   with me [TS]

00:06:55   missing quotes more momentum dirty [TS]

00:06:59   I don't know they're pretty bland I [TS]

00:07:01   gotta get this thing Lady and the Tramp [TS]

00:07:03   em or do you just not equal that you [TS]

00:07:06   think that really makes her a tramp just [TS]

00:07:07   because she what is she she eats early [TS]

00:07:11   yeah she goes two ballgames the [TS]

00:07:13   bleachers are fine [TS]

00:07:14   yeah you won't go to Harlem in our minds [TS]

00:07:18   and first right [TS]

00:07:20   right Carl's yeah i don't know i think [TS]

00:07:22   it down set that's you know what that's [TS]

00:07:24   an early example of someone really [TS]

00:07:28   purposing a slur [TS]

00:07:32   oh you like a queer thing that's an [TS]

00:07:35   early example of somebody saying you're [TS]

00:07:36   gonna call me a tramp i'll show you one [TS]

00:07:39   of the trap is that's this is why I'm a [TS]

00:07:40   tramp because i'm going down to struggle [TS]

00:07:43   who think once we get that one version [TS]

00:07:46   your losses weird at their seams don't [TS]

00:07:51   know this is a trend or a mini trend but [TS]

00:07:53   if you seen where some popular pop [TS]

00:07:57   artists re-recording their songs so I'm [TS]

00:08:02   going so they're out of their [TS]

00:08:03   contractual obligation [TS]

00:08:05   maybe I think even more to the point [TS]

00:08:07   though and the one thing in particular [TS]

00:08:09   can i think i actually get by this jeff [TS]

00:08:12   lynne like meticulously recorded a ton [TS]

00:08:16   of elo songs really [TS]

00:08:18   mhm and I think I think it's so that he [TS]

00:08:21   gets the rights to those songs for those [TS]

00:08:24   kinds of production things like you know [TS]

00:08:26   he probably his catalogue was probably [TS]

00:08:28   owned by whatever epic or whatever a [TS]

00:08:31   long time ago [TS]

00:08:32   yeah well it said that's absolutely why [TS]

00:08:33   they re-recorded and then and then you [TS]

00:08:38   own the whole you on the recording you [TS]

00:08:40   know every recording has the ownership [TS]

00:08:42   of every recording has two sides [TS]

00:08:44   I you know what you've explained this to [TS]

00:08:46   me lots of people have explained to me i [TS]

00:08:48   still find incredibly badly only knows [TS]

00:08:50   the people who write the music and then [TS]

00:08:51   on the publishing other ones to make the [TS]

00:08:52   money that's all I know [TS]

00:08:53   yeah right but this they they split up [TS]

00:08:55   into two hundred percent [TS]

00:08:57   and-and-and-and literally when you talk [TS]

00:09:00   about it seems sustainable good time [TS]

00:09:02   music music publishing you're talking [TS]

00:09:04   about two hundred percent there's a [TS]

00:09:05   hundred percent of the recording and [TS]

00:09:08   there's a hundred percent of the writing [TS]

00:09:10   and uh and you can own the you can own [TS]

00:09:16   the recording and the writer owns the [TS]

00:09:20   song but if the only recording is the [TS]

00:09:23   it's the only way the song exists in the [TS]

00:09:26   recording [TS]

00:09:27   oh so that's why something from the new [TS]

00:09:31   world record or whatever could be owned [TS]

00:09:34   by owns the epic but I forget whatever [TS]

00:09:35   it is label was owns the actual [TS]

00:09:36   recording that make it used in a [TS]

00:09:38   commercial right [TS]

00:09:39   the master i get it and so that's [TS]

00:09:42   usually means the producer or the music [TS]

00:09:44   company announced it [TS]

00:09:45   well that's the that's the thing it's [TS]

00:09:47   whoever whoever gives you the money to [TS]

00:09:51   record it traditionally or the man ran [TS]

00:09:56   this race or whoever like you know [TS]

00:09:58   shouldered his way in there and said [TS]

00:10:00   listen kid if you want to make it in [TS]

00:10:01   this business you're gonna give me some [TS]

00:10:03   percentage of your animated a lot of [TS]

00:10:05   that was a lot of those people like [TS]

00:10:06   actually shoulder their way and so [TS]

00:10:08   you're gonna give me a percentage of the [TS]

00:10:09   songwriting oh yeah but but definitely [TS]

00:10:13   if the if the label paid for you to go [TS]

00:10:15   into the studio then they traditionally [TS]

00:10:17   consider themselves on the master okay [TS]

00:10:20   squeezed it squeeze a like you know [TS]

00:10:25   again it's it's part of the sound of 27 [TS]

00:10:28   yeah it'sit's almost in completely [TS]

00:10:30   identical wow yeah I mean that would be [TS]

00:10:34   a fun exercise because he's pretty [TS]

00:10:36   joyless to me but just I mean I from a [TS]

00:10:39   recording standpoint like they're you [TS]

00:10:41   know that i was saying about this the [TS]

00:10:42   other day I was talking to our friend [TS]

00:10:44   joko and recalling that the first real [TS]

00:10:47   professional nerds that I knew were were [TS]

00:10:50   audio nerds and it was before there was [TS]

00:10:54   a kind of nerd but they it was before [TS]

00:10:56   nerd was a was a revolution in our minds [TS]

00:10:59   but like audio nerds are just another [TS]

00:11:01   form of nerd [TS]

00:11:02   and are just exactly they they are just [TS]

00:11:06   personality wise and in every other [TS]

00:11:08   respect very similar to computer nerds [TS]

00:11:10   and firm an audio nerd standpoint to sit [TS]

00:11:14   there and try and match exactly the [TS]

00:11:17   sound of a classic album [TS]

00:11:19   oh my god they just be spewing all over [TS]

00:11:22   themselves [TS]

00:11:23   yeah like that guy from that one band [TS]

00:11:25   that work with Brian Wilson on smile [TS]

00:11:29   maybe they did a reconstruction smiles [TS]

00:11:30   that one guy from that pop and his name [TS]

00:11:32   is forget but he worked very closely [TS]

00:11:33   with the the brian wilson people to come [TS]

00:11:36   up with two 'totally recorded version of [TS]

00:11:39   smile as it could've been Wow [TS]

00:11:42   yeah right that that's that does seem [TS]

00:11:44   like that seems like a very fascinating [TS]

00:11:46   thing that's a real murder but the thing [TS]

00:11:48   is what you know the combination of [TS]

00:11:50   being thinking like almost like a John [TS]

00:11:52   Brian Anderson me like somebody who [TS]

00:11:54   really loves the songs but all enemy [TS]

00:11:56   knows every or like yeah like God like [TS]

00:11:58   Jim on the on the cruise this kind of [TS]

00:12:00   people who have an ear for like every [TS]

00:12:02   little nook and cranny of a song but [TS]

00:12:04   also then the challenge of trying to [TS]

00:12:07   make it sound like it was recorded 40 [TS]

00:12:08   years ago must be really enticing it's [TS]

00:12:11   it's it's incredible and just in the [TS]

00:12:14   sense of like the the audio chain of [TS]

00:12:18   which microphone which preamp which [TS]

00:12:25   compressor which amplifier would Howard [TS]

00:12:28   all those things set and every single [TS]

00:12:30   one of those things if it varies even [TS]

00:12:33   slightly changes the tone and so to go [TS]

00:12:36   back and eat first of all you have to do [TS]

00:12:38   the research what Mike's were they using [TS]

00:12:41   you know and then go get those mics at [TS]

00:12:45   any at any expense like already it's [TS]

00:12:47   exciting and then put those things in a [TS]

00:12:50   room and the room is going to change the [TS]

00:12:52   sound so you have to go back to the [TS]

00:12:53   original studio [TS]

00:12:55   I mean oh I'm i can't have and I'm [TS]

00:12:58   turgid with excitement really that would [TS]

00:13:02   appeal to you in just because you would [TS]

00:13:05   do all that you would do everything [TS]

00:13:06   right and then you would a be the guitar [TS]

00:13:09   sound right to left and it wouldn't [TS]

00:13:11   sound the same [TS]

00:13:12   yeah and then you just be like more and [TS]

00:13:14   at that point i would at that point i [TS]

00:13:16   would have nothing more to offer right i [TS]

00:13:18   would have been excited about finding [TS]

00:13:19   the mics in the room and the guitars and [TS]

00:13:21   yeah but then comes the drudgery and [TS]

00:13:23   performances I mean most people's voices [TS]

00:13:25   sound pretty different after 10 or 15 [TS]

00:13:27   years [TS]

00:13:27   yeah well it's 30 years but but again I [TS]

00:13:30   would be engaged in that after the after [TS]

00:13:32   the engineers had gone through and set [TS]

00:13:34   said are you gonna have to notch 4k [TS]

00:13:36   about to you know bebes no wait a minute [TS]

00:13:40   wait let's what let's bring that back [TS]

00:13:42   when you know laughter they did all that [TS]

00:13:43   and got the tones then to go back in and [TS]

00:13:46   sit and try and duplicate your vocal [TS]

00:13:48   performance from from 30 years are [TS]

00:13:52   linked two lifetimes and that would be [TS]

00:13:53   that would be also very fun you know who [TS]

00:13:56   but that but his this is the thing [TS]

00:13:59   what this is is an example another [TS]

00:14:02   example I mean I i agree with our I [TS]

00:14:05   understand the the impulse to we record [TS]

00:14:07   that stuff and take the money back from [TS]

00:14:10   the from the man it's a very it's very [TS]

00:14:12   pretty cool especially especially today [TS]

00:14:14   my gosh yeah every Prince like thing to [TS]

00:14:16   do [TS]

00:14:17   mhm but it's also another example of a [TS]

00:14:21   thing where you are still musician [TS]

00:14:23   you're in middle age or late middle age [TS]

00:14:26   and you want to do you want to find [TS]

00:14:29   anything other than to write ten good [TS]

00:14:34   new songs you want to find anything to [TS]

00:14:37   do any kind of busy worker like just as [TS]

00:14:41   a purely artistic distraction yeah [TS]

00:14:42   you're just like you're moving deck [TS]

00:14:44   chairs around you are stacking andrey [TS]

00:14:47   stacking three-by-five cards of and you [TS]

00:14:50   and it's just like I know you know this [TS]

00:14:52   is why all these bands to an album of [TS]

00:14:54   covers over but if you could go and say [TS]

00:14:57   like you know what we really need to do [TS]

00:14:59   let's stop work on this new record [TS]

00:15:00   that's really be doubling US and go back [TS]

00:15:03   and reread meticulously recorded our old [TS]

00:15:05   records just to complete a complete like [TS]

00:15:10   busywork [TS]

00:15:11   well you know I don't have the numbers [TS]

00:15:13   in front of me but just anecdotally [TS]

00:15:14   today it seems like there's so much [TS]

00:15:19   I guess that I guess the stuff that you [TS]

00:15:21   know you can sell this stuff that sold [TS]

00:15:23   in the past right so you do the [TS]

00:15:24   remastering do the box that I mean it's [TS]

00:15:27   but that's not even that new of a thing [TS]

00:15:29   I mean in the nineties it was all about [TS]

00:15:31   the box sets where you got to get all [TS]

00:15:33   the stuff that you already have a vinyl [TS]

00:15:34   that you know and in CD so to make that [TS]

00:15:36   enticing like for example like the Beach [TS]

00:15:38   Boys Pet Sounds box is actually really [TS]

00:15:41   good box because there's tons of of [TS]

00:15:43   great you know extra vocals and isolated [TS]

00:15:45   tracks and I i love that now that was a [TS]

00:15:47   great christmas present in 1995 or [TS]

00:15:49   whatever but I'm but funny yellow in [TS]

00:15:51   particular I in my years of like you [TS]

00:15:55   know spending so many hours in record [TS]

00:15:57   stores like going through the entire the [TS]

00:15:59   entire store looking at every album make [TS]

00:16:02   I knew the names you know of [TS]

00:16:04   even I never heard them I knew which [TS]

00:16:06   bands do which albums I can't tell which [TS]

00:16:07   ones are popular but even then yellow in [TS]

00:16:09   like the late seventies early eighties [TS]

00:16:11   mid-eighties especially there were so [TS]

00:16:13   many yellow compilations even then I [TS]

00:16:16   mean they hadn't had like I don't think [TS]

00:16:17   monster hit since probably 1982 yeah [TS]

00:16:20   everybody was the last big hold on tight [TS]

00:16:22   song maybe like I don't think they had [TS]

00:16:23   that many new songs that was 31 30 years [TS]

00:16:26   ago [TS]

00:16:26   yeah it's not amazing well but you know [TS]

00:16:30   those box sets with all the extra bonus [TS]

00:16:33   tracks and the 25 different versions of [TS]

00:16:35   tax man and so forth I mean those things [TS]

00:16:37   are great they're great for for the [TS]

00:16:41   beatles that's that's pretty I mean that [TS]

00:16:43   and he actually hear how different and [TS]

00:16:45   your bird can sing could sound is pretty [TS]

00:16:47   fascinating of the really amazing song [TS]

00:16:49   you've heard hundred times it's totally [TS]

00:16:51   amazing except that in the itunes era [TS]

00:16:54   what that we live in now basically i [TS]

00:16:59   find i find that you know that in the CD [TS]

00:17:03   era where you put that are be like oh my [TS]

00:17:05   god listen to this [TS]

00:17:07   I'm it it made sense to me but if you [TS]

00:17:11   just rip all that stuff like into itunes [TS]

00:17:14   with no distinction right then you're in [TS]

00:17:18   it in that posture where you're here you [TS]

00:17:21   like you're making dinner and you turn [TS]

00:17:24   on your music and you here in the course [TS]

00:17:26   of an hour for versions of annular can [TS]

00:17:28   sing all of them slightly different or [TS]

00:17:31   you put your headphones on and you're [TS]

00:17:32   like I'm Melissa this is really working [TS]

00:17:33   mix it's not at the shuffling it's bad [TS]

00:17:36   for mixing right and I and I'm sure that [TS]

00:17:39   that itunes masters who manage their [TS]

00:17:43   playlists don't have this problem [TS]

00:17:46   because they just manage it but it's [TS]

00:17:48   hard though I another level of [TS]

00:17:49   management United I know your attacker [TS]

00:17:51   and I've been a tagger I will you know [TS]

00:17:53   look at the databases that are out there [TS]

00:17:55   for the best possible version but you [TS]

00:17:57   know again just not not how people [TS]

00:17:58   listen to music look at the website [TS]

00:18:00   right now that I feel like you should [TS]

00:18:01   know about if you don't know about [TS]

00:18:02   already [TS]

00:18:03   it's called albums that never were you [TS]

00:18:06   ever seen this road well I've never seen [TS]

00:18:09   albums that never work got dark [TS]

00:18:11   blogspot.com by checking on its this guy [TS]

00:18:15   is primarily this one guy although he [TS]

00:18:17   does put up other people's happens and [TS]

00:18:19   it's given the available material the [TS]

00:18:22   best like reconstruction possible of [TS]

00:18:25   certain classic albums that never [TS]

00:18:26   existed like a lonely years of the who [TS]

00:18:30   with who is for tennis which are the [TS]

00:18:34   1968 album and it's got stuff like [TS]

00:18:36   fortune-teller it's got magic bus it's [TS]

00:18:39   got home but basically like what if an [TS]

00:18:40   album you know there's no those classic [TS]

00:18:43   albums that like smile right within [TS]

00:18:45   other ones like a really good one that [TS]

00:18:47   got is the weezer record that they [TS]

00:18:51   wanted to do that kind of what what [TS]

00:18:53   became Pinkerton but was named rivers [TS]

00:18:57   cuomo that his name is gonna pop is that [TS]

00:18:59   his name [TS]

00:19:00   you have his picture in your wallet or [TS]

00:19:02   something called the river phoenix I get [TS]

00:19:03   confused that it was that was before I [TS]

00:19:06   think this before i went to Harvard and [TS]

00:19:08   but anyway you should check this out [TS]

00:19:09   it's a lot of 60 stuff [TS]

00:19:11   well first let me point out let me point [TS]

00:19:13   out i don't know but of course of course [TS]

00:19:17   this website is being maintained by an [TS]

00:19:19   Italian [TS]

00:19:19   because that is the most Italian thing [TS]

00:19:22   in the world has is to is to have not [TS]

00:19:27   you know that when you go to Europe and [TS]

00:19:28   you go to an italian record store and [TS]

00:19:30   there are pretty much I mean if you go [TS]

00:19:33   to if you look in the Nirvana section in [TS]

00:19:35   an Italian record store there will be [TS]

00:19:37   four hundred records like the length and [TS]

00:19:39   they're all bootlegs or you know or like [TS]

00:19:43   double triple bootlegs right i mean [TS]

00:19:45   somehow the the record collector [TS]

00:19:48   mentality in Italy really is is a bit is [TS]

00:19:53   obsessive in a different way and they [TS]

00:19:55   and and they will commercially because [TS]

00:19:58   the copyright laws somehow are different [TS]

00:20:00   or at least used to be different though [TS]

00:20:01   commercially publish all this stuff [TS]

00:20:03   where you know somebody else till [TS]

00:20:05   Christmas villages Walkman who off of a [TS]

00:20:10   table in a cafe and then they'll publish [TS]

00:20:12   that as a Nirvana what you know the [TS]

00:20:13   published the tape that's going to get [TS]

00:20:15   away with it and they get away with it [TS]

00:20:16   right so there's all this fascinating [TS]

00:20:18   stuff in record stores in Italy but this [TS]

00:20:21   guy i'm pretty sure is Italian [TS]

00:20:23   his name is sonic love knowing sonic [TS]

00:20:26   love noise but with the Z instead of him [TS]

00:20:29   and all of his writing is without [TS]

00:20:32   capitalization it's all like no capitals [TS]

00:20:35   here's one vendor vana called sheep [TS]

00:20:37   reconstruction of the unreleased 1997 [TS]

00:20:40   album sheep essentially the precursor to [TS]

00:20:42   what would eventually be nevermind [TS]

00:20:44   well you know I actually had that [TS]

00:20:47   cassette [TS]

00:20:48   Wow there was a girl named Lily who I [TS]

00:20:55   dated for a little while in about [TS]

00:20:58   1990-91 she has she had [TS]

00:21:04   short red hair very short like pixie cut [TS]

00:21:07   out here and sort of um what kind of red [TS]

00:21:10   it's that that light light red hair like [TS]

00:21:14   strawberry blonde strawberry blonde [TS]

00:21:15   that's what I'm trying [TS]

00:21:16   hmm and she had a tattoo of a lily on [TS]

00:21:20   her shoulder which I complimented her on [TS]

00:21:24   I when we first met I said oh nice [TS]

00:21:28   lily and your name is Lily and she [TS]

00:21:30   turned we didn't know each other at this [TS]

00:21:31   point she turns she was like it's the [TS]

00:21:33   stupidest tattoo ever I totally regret [TS]

00:21:36   it I was an idiot i was like 'oh little [TS]

00:21:38   bit honest i'm going to talk to you a [TS]

00:21:40   little bit more [TS]

00:21:41   Lily worked at a bookstore that was [TS]

00:21:44   owned by a guy who was a pervert was one [TS]

00:21:47   of those bookstores was full of cats and [TS]

00:21:49   all the employees were 20 year old girls [TS]

00:21:52   and he was like a kind of look like Van [TS]

00:21:54   Morrison and I I don't really know this [TS]

00:21:59   guy [TS]

00:22:00   Yeah right right he's a tight yeah and [TS]

00:22:02   the bookstore kind of smells like cat [TS]

00:22:03   pee and it and everywhere he's dander [TS]

00:22:05   covered and but he's always but all of [TS]

00:22:08   his employees are are like sophomores in [TS]

00:22:11   college and he was always trying to get [TS]

00:22:14   Lily slowly was a was like a combat [TS]

00:22:17   boots and baby doll dress early nineties [TS]

00:22:20   person prefers and he would he would [TS]

00:22:23   come to and he'd say like I know the [TS]

00:22:25   people you know like he was connected [TS]

00:22:27   somehow to left bank books in Paris or [TS]

00:22:31   whatever the you know the Shakespeare [TS]

00:22:34   and company he was connected to those [TS]

00:22:35   people and he was like let's just get [TS]

00:22:39   out of here let's just you know I've got [TS]

00:22:41   I've got $80,000 in a shoebox you and me [TS]

00:22:45   let's just go to Paris and Lily was like [TS]

00:22:49   you're a creep [TS]

00:22:51   and so he was be would ply her with [TS]

00:22:53   gifts and one day she climbed in the [TS]

00:22:58   window of my apartment she was like [TS]

00:23:00   you've got to hear this and it was it [TS]

00:23:03   was a cassette of all the demos for [TS]

00:23:07   nevermind which I assume was this thing [TS]

00:23:10   you're that this guy's talking about the [TS]

00:23:12   whatever the third their smile right [TS]

00:23:15   smile smile [TS]

00:23:16   well completely different versions of [TS]

00:23:18   every tune and this bookstore guy had [TS]

00:23:22   acquired this amount given it to Lily as [TS]

00:23:24   a enticement for her to run away to [TS]

00:23:26   Paris with him and she brought it over [TS]

00:23:28   to my house and we SAT and listened to [TS]

00:23:30   this cassette over and over and never [TS]

00:23:32   mind had only been out you know a few [TS]

00:23:35   months at this point and it was there [TS]

00:23:37   was a total revelation to hear those [TS]

00:23:39   tracks done differently and at the time [TS]

00:23:42   this cassette seemed like one of what [TS]

00:23:44   would only have been 20 of these things [TS]

00:23:47   that were in existence [TS]

00:23:48   you know like it like it should be worth [TS]

00:23:50   of a million dollars and I in them in [TS]

00:23:57   the ethics that were in operation at the [TS]

00:24:00   time I considered stealing it from my [TS]

00:24:03   girlfriend [TS]

00:24:04   oh that good is that it was that [TS]

00:24:07   important if L it less good it felt it [TS]

00:24:09   felt that important and then and then I [TS]

00:24:14   didn't I didn't steal it from her i [TS]

00:24:16   regret to this day lily ended up moving [TS]

00:24:19   to Marrakech where she got somehow [TS]

00:24:25   walked up [TS]

00:24:27   um just you know like I don't know how [TS]

00:24:33   she got to America's and and I don't [TS]

00:24:35   know how she I mean because she didn't [TS]

00:24:37   have any money and she didn't have any [TS]

00:24:42   back she have any friends but somehow [TS]

00:24:48   she got to Marrakech and walked up to [TS]

00:24:50   the front door of Paul Bowles his house [TS]

00:24:53   bubbles at that time was probably [TS]

00:24:56   already 75 or 80 [TS]

00:24:59   and knocked on the door and started [TS]

00:25:01   working as his assistant [TS]

00:25:03   I I know that name that remind me who [TS]

00:25:05   that is you wrote the sheltering sky [TS]

00:25:07   oh wow and she showed up just showed up [TS]

00:25:10   and and he he's my favorite of the beat [TS]

00:25:14   writers is the only beat writer i can [TS]

00:25:16   stand and his his writing he did a thing [TS]

00:25:20   where he he translated well he had a [TS]

00:25:24   translator but he wrote a series of like [TS]

00:25:26   Moroccan folk stories he he brought this [TS]

00:25:32   Moroccan use young moroccan guy named [TS]

00:25:35   mohammed mohabbat who wrote some amazing [TS]

00:25:38   books bubbles short stories are the best [TS]

00:25:41   of all of the beats by the head and [TS]

00:25:44   shoulders and here's a guy really [TS]

00:25:45   admired and I I get a letter in the like [TS]

00:25:50   you know paper letter from Lily and [TS]

00:25:52   she's like my work for Paul's now i'm in [TS]

00:25:54   America should come [TS]

00:25:56   no I regret not going but very shortly [TS]

00:26:00   after I believe that she was arrested [TS]

00:26:02   for smuggling heroin into Europe inside [TS]

00:26:06   of her vagina [TS]

00:26:07   oh no oh that's an awkward call your [TS]

00:26:10   parents [TS]

00:26:11   yeah really who I don't think your [TS]

00:26:13   parents were still around [TS]

00:26:14   I think her parents had like maybe [TS]

00:26:16   driven volkswagen bus off of the top of [TS]

00:26:19   the the highway 1 in their nests [TS]

00:26:25   how do you think it's keep it in there [TS]

00:26:27   is it just to get through security or do [TS]

00:26:29   you have to like feel like the whole [TS]

00:26:30   flight [TS]

00:26:31   Oh for the whole flight for sure i don't [TS]

00:26:34   think i don't think you take it out and [TS]

00:26:35   likes putting on your you're folding [TS]

00:26:37   table and wait until you're about to [TS]

00:26:39   land and go put it back in [TS]

00:26:41   I think but i'm pretty sure she took a [TS]

00:26:46   boat and the you know the boat ride is [TS]

00:26:49   yeah it's it's as long as the flight who [TS]

00:26:51   have to go really work your kegels who [TS]

00:26:55   like this this girl's got some she got [TS]

00:26:57   some character i fell out of touch with [TS]

00:26:59   their i-i-i the last time we saw each [TS]

00:27:02   other I had quit doing drugs and so [TS]

00:27:06   we had that awkward awkward weekend [TS]

00:27:09   where it's like well let's let's get [TS]

00:27:11   high [TS]

00:27:12   well I don't get high anymore oh alright [TS]

00:27:15   well um yeah that's a lot of change to [TS]

00:27:19   have been a jacket that's all we used to [TS]

00:27:21   do I know but I don't do it anymore [TS]

00:27:23   we're still two people were still to [TS]

00:27:24   humans in the world we know each other [TS]

00:27:26   let's see what's on TV so but I mean how [TS]

00:27:30   are we going to have sex if we're not [TS]

00:27:31   high i know right wouldn't that be weird [TS]

00:27:33   we should try even so that's common [TS]

00:27:39   problem [TS]

00:27:40   yeah yeah Paul Bowles though Paul bales [TS]

00:27:45   I don't like the beats but i do like him [TS]

00:27:47   and yes is his wife also very amazing [TS]

00:27:51   writer [TS]

00:27:52   man i can't imagine doing what she did [TS]

00:27:54   that's so gutsy you haven't you young [TS]

00:27:57   you don't give a fuck you know you know [TS]

00:27:59   you think it's all you think it's all [TS]

00:28:01   adventure and and it is and it keeps [TS]

00:28:05   working over and over right here it's [TS]

00:28:06   like all adventure i'm i'm a [TS]

00:28:09   motherfucking drug smuggler now man and [TS]

00:28:13   you know I never I never sold drugs and [TS]

00:28:18   and and because i was because I had that [TS]

00:28:20   because i had that thing that's kind of [TS]

00:28:22   haunted me or that that chainmail shirt [TS]

00:28:25   that I wore my entire life where I had [TS]

00:28:27   some core ethical lines that i wouldn't [TS]

00:28:33   go across like it [TS]

00:28:35   the idea of selling drugs to make a [TS]

00:28:38   living was disgusting to me even when I [TS]

00:28:41   was the most disgusting because I just [TS]

00:28:44   couldn't ever picture myself as a drug [TS]

00:28:46   dealer over because just the words drug [TS]

00:28:49   dealer like from the from the youngest [TS]

00:28:51   age right and that was just a thing I [TS]

00:28:53   was never going to be in net the [TS]

00:28:54   excitement of it the the [TS]

00:28:57   it sounds like being a child molester is [TS]

00:28:59   it's not that kind of a a mark on it [TS]

00:29:02   yeah and some people rush into drug [TS]

00:29:04   dealing as fast as they can write it's [TS]

00:29:07   just like oh I can get high and make [TS]

00:29:09   money duh and it and it's simple and [TS]

00:29:14   they don't they don't think of it it [TS]

00:29:17   with it they don't they don't put a halo [TS]

00:29:18   a moral halo around it at all it's just [TS]

00:29:21   like right well this guy had extra drugs [TS]

00:29:24   and so I bought them from him and now [TS]

00:29:26   i'm selling them to you [TS]

00:29:28   what could be simpler if we're all doing [TS]

00:29:30   drugs why would you take a moral stance [TS]

00:29:32   on me selling them to you [TS]

00:29:33   um and there were many many many [TS]

00:29:37   opportunities for me to get into that [TS]

00:29:38   racket but I just was like no way mind [TS]

00:29:42   you're looking like you never give me [TS]

00:29:43   like a courier mule type work one time I [TS]

00:29:50   set off from Spokane Washington to [TS]

00:29:53   washington DC via so I so I popped [TS]

00:29:59   afraid and Spokane took the freight [TS]

00:30:02   train to missoula stuck my thumb [TS]

00:30:05   hitchhiked to what fort collins colorado [TS]

00:30:10   you know one of these trips across [TS]

00:30:12   America is like and then I got on a [TS]

00:30:15   donkey and I wrote across the Ben the [TS]

00:30:17   night a guy came along with a long [TS]

00:30:19   skateboard and we both got on it but [TS]

00:30:22   what I left spokane this guy I knew [TS]

00:30:24   whose name was Jesus what the fuck was [TS]

00:30:28   that guy's name not Treebeard but tree [TS]

00:30:37   something to treat reman now fuck what [TS]

00:30:41   was his name is really tall guy [TS]

00:30:43   this is a mythic character know he was a [TS]

00:30:45   real real person spoken sort of [TS]

00:30:48   legendary spokane hippie I like a local [TS]

00:30:51   character a local character and a super [TS]

00:30:53   nice guy and and a little bit older than [TS]

00:30:56   us and his name was like trade tree funk [TS]

00:31:01   but really it's embarrassing to be I [TS]

00:31:03   don't remember his name but he was [TS]

00:31:05   trimming some pot was trimming a recent [TS]

00:31:10   harvest and he had five pounds of shake [TS]

00:31:15   it and as well accept it was good it was [TS]

00:31:19   a good it was good bud [TS]

00:31:20   so it was a it was a it was five pounds [TS]

00:31:23   of good shake it wasn't like ditch weed [TS]

00:31:25   right but it was still shake it was [TS]

00:31:27   leaves and you know in the little [TS]

00:31:31   nubbins and all the stuff that the the [TS]

00:31:33   detritus right we had this you know we [TS]

00:31:37   had five pounds of this stuff and he [TS]

00:31:40   liked me and so he gave it to me and I [TS]

00:31:46   didn't have any money five pounds of pot [TS]

00:31:48   yeah yeah so much pot John well because [TS]

00:31:51   he was interested in the buds which were [TS]

00:31:54   valuable and good and the shame looks [TS]

00:31:59   like from that's we did not get a lot of [TS]

00:32:00   the buds we will get a lot of the of the [TS]

00:32:03   shake as you say this was the era this [TS]

00:32:05   was the transition area between when [TS]

00:32:07   most of the pot you got was shake in the [TS]

00:32:09   United States to the concurrent era [TS]

00:32:12   where most of the pot you get his butt [TS]

00:32:14   and what's funny is in 1986 there were [TS]

00:32:18   whole you know the majority of the [TS]

00:32:21   United States of America you couldn't [TS]

00:32:23   get good pot no matter how much money [TS]

00:32:24   you had right and so there were there [TS]

00:32:28   were places and the northwest was was [TS]

00:32:30   one of those places Northern California [TS]

00:32:32   Oregon Washington Alaska had great pot [TS]

00:32:36   fantastic pot and what what I would [TS]

00:32:38   travel across the country like and meet [TS]

00:32:40   stoners they would be like you're from [TS]

00:32:42   the northwest oh man you have you ever [TS]

00:32:45   smoked rub the buddha and I'd be like [TS]

00:32:46   have I ever and then you'd be you'd be [TS]

00:32:49   down in Arizona or something you'd be [TS]

00:32:51   smoking this stuff that just was like [TS]

00:32:53   come on you guys seriously smoke this [TS]

00:32:56   heat like you even bother so I had this [TS]

00:33:00   should i had this giant quantity of [TS]

00:33:02   shake that was way better pot then you [TS]

00:33:06   could you could find in most of the [TS]

00:33:09   Seekers little bit of pot arbitrage [TS]

00:33:12   right get somewhere where the market can [TS]

00:33:14   bear it and frankly frankly like I liked [TS]

00:33:17   you know yeah i'm one of those people [TS]

00:33:20   that that is gonna smoke if you got it [TS]

00:33:22   i'm gonna smoke it and so really [TS]

00:33:24   heavy-duty weed i would just get super [TS]

00:33:27   baked and wouldn't be able to function [TS]

00:33:29   I don't know how people do it i really [TS]

00:33:31   liked was when I was one of those guys [TS]

00:33:32   that were just like oh wow you've got [TS]

00:33:34   like this not entertaining you're just [TS]

00:33:36   you're just in a corner you're in a [TS]

00:33:38   corner you're paranoid and your [TS]

00:33:39   bloodline is leaping from false idea to [TS]

00:33:43   false idea and you're just like I'm so [TS]

00:33:45   bad right now [TS]

00:33:46   fuck and and I was you know I was a i [TS]

00:33:49   was traveling some in most instances i [TS]

00:33:51   was the stranger right i would come in [TS]

00:33:54   to come into a situation and I was like [TS]

00:33:56   the one guy I walk into a party I'm the [TS]

00:33:59   one guy nobody knows and I had this weed [TS]

00:34:03   that was really good by their standards [TS]

00:34:06   but actually pretty mellow by myself and [TS]

00:34:09   nutty showy yeah that's right it's not [TS]

00:34:11   like I've gotta you know I stole this [TS]

00:34:13   bud from the US government right it's [TS]

00:34:16   like you know I got this really kind but [TS]

00:34:18   and it's very nice to roll into joints [TS]

00:34:21   and then you pass some joints around a [TS]

00:34:23   party like like you don't give a fuck [TS]

00:34:26   like here I just I'm just sitting here [TS]

00:34:29   rolling joints some passing them around [TS]

00:34:30   how do you like that and everybody's [TS]

00:34:32   like this part is so great it's so chill [TS]

00:34:34   and so I was so i use that pot as a to [TS]

00:34:39   be a hero for a long time because it was [TS]

00:34:44   a lot of weed and at one point [TS]

00:34:47   some guy came up to me in Durango [TS]

00:34:49   Colorado and he was like I've got 10 [TS]

00:34:52   capsules [TS]

00:34:55   of MDMA [TS]

00:34:59   will you trade me these 10 capsules of [TS]

00:35:02   MDMA for some you know handsome bag of [TS]

00:35:05   pot and this was one MDMA was three [TS]

00:35:09   bucks of capsule or something before i [TS]

00:35:12   think it was like right on the cusp when [TS]

00:35:14   they made it illegal so the only six ish [TS]

00:35:16   and so I was like yeah right i mean this [TS]

00:35:20   this started to feel like like going [TS]

00:35:23   places now right moving on up in the [TS]

00:35:26   women in the world and so I got these i [TS]

00:35:29   got this MDMA and I gave him some weed [TS]

00:35:31   and then I had two kinds of drugs that [TS]

00:35:34   belong to me that people wanted but you [TS]

00:35:37   know you can't just walk into a party [TS]

00:35:39   and start handing out MDMA also i didn't [TS]

00:35:42   i didn't have enough to give to [TS]

00:35:44   everybody so long long story short i did [TS]

00:35:48   not i never sold any drugs but I did [TS]

00:35:51   start to feel like I was wheeling and [TS]

00:35:53   dealing in a room and I burned through [TS]

00:35:58   the through the ecstasy pretty fast and [TS]

00:36:01   then I was just back to be in the sky [TS]

00:36:02   that was like slapping around kind of a [TS]

00:36:04   Santa Claus bag [TS]

00:36:06   Oh was it broken down into separate bags [TS]

00:36:11   or was it like just like a bag is it was [TS]

00:36:14   so I did have found is a lot of pounds [TS]

00:36:17   John yeah i did have I had I have those [TS]

00:36:19   big freezer bags how God you must demo [TS]

00:36:22   that can make you a target [TS]

00:36:24   well yeah but you know that this is the [TS]

00:36:27   thing about me when I was young I was so [TS]

00:36:30   naive about about the world the great [TS]

00:36:36   grand I i keep attributing this to [TS]

00:36:38   Alaska that somehow growing up there you [TS]

00:36:42   are your worldly in one sense that you [TS]

00:36:46   can't help but see a lot up there and be [TS]

00:36:49   exposed to a lot of different people and [TS]

00:36:52   a lot of different kinds of danger but [TS]

00:36:54   it's also it was so isolated in it and [TS]

00:36:57   felt like it was 20 years behind the [TS]

00:36:59   rest of the country [TS]

00:37:00   and so there's this kind of like opean [TS]

00:37:02   Mayberry thing to and so I was [TS]

00:37:07   constantly getting in situations when I [TS]

00:37:10   was in my early twenties late teens that [TS]

00:37:13   I look back on and go oh my god i am so [TS]

00:37:16   why didn't somebody just hit you over [TS]

00:37:18   the head and take all your stuff and [TS]

00:37:21   rape you and throw you in a river who [TS]

00:37:23   and this is like in this is around the [TS]

00:37:27   time that you're hanging out with the [TS]

00:37:29   grateful dead people [TS]

00:37:30   yeah that in there eight somewhere in [TS]

00:37:32   here as well and that they are less [TS]

00:37:34   likely to murder you but like elbows to [TS]

00:37:37   like just just living a living outside [TS]

00:37:40   the town also like what happened to you [TS]

00:37:42   you know what all your stuff got stolen [TS]

00:37:43   right and France at in France so in so [TS]

00:37:47   what happened was the gradual education [TS]

00:37:49   that I received in how in the in the [TS]

00:37:52   dark side of the of the world where I [TS]

00:37:55   did start to get hit over the head and I [TS]

00:37:57   did start to get robbed and it happened [TS]

00:37:59   you know when you look back at it and in [TS]

00:38:01   a kind of graceful gracefully [TS]

00:38:03   incremental way so so that my first [TS]

00:38:07   experience was not that I was knifed in [TS]

00:38:09   a park by a couple of guys i mean i was [TS]

00:38:12   at one point I was riding a motorcycle [TS]

00:38:14   across the country and i was sleeping in [TS]

00:38:17   parks and i was asleep on a picnic table [TS]

00:38:20   with my motorcycle parked next to the [TS]

00:38:22   picnic table [TS]

00:38:23   Wow an image and I woke up and and the [TS]

00:38:25   motorcycle is loaded with like I had my [TS]

00:38:28   head all my stuff in a in a in an old [TS]

00:38:32   but what are the big big bags that you [TS]

00:38:37   get in the Army the Navy and a duffel [TS]

00:38:40   bag at all my stuff in a duffel bag [TS]

00:38:42   bungee cord to the back of this [TS]

00:38:44   motorcycle and I just pulled up into a [TS]

00:38:47   park parties and look at me like a [TS]

00:38:49   pinata [TS]

00:38:50   right and my own the only i mean i was [TS]

00:38:55   lucky that I didn't I didn't have [TS]

00:38:56   anything that was anything in the duffel [TS]

00:38:58   bag the dirty clothes but I did have a [TS]

00:39:00   fucking motorcycle at this for this [TS]

00:39:04   brief period and i'm parked next to this [TS]

00:39:06   uh sort of it I the reason I chose this [TS]

00:39:09   picnic table was it and it was covered [TS]

00:39:12   and up and I and it was raining so I [TS]

00:39:15   pulled the motorcycle under the the the [TS]

00:39:18   little roof and got out and roll my [TS]

00:39:22   sleeping bag out on top of the picnic [TS]

00:39:24   table and went to sleep when I wake up [TS]

00:39:25   in the middle of the night and there are [TS]

00:39:26   two guys standing over me and one on [TS]

00:39:28   either side of me God and they're asking [TS]

00:39:31   me questions in Spanish and I wake up [TS]

00:39:34   and kind of setup in my sleeping bag and [TS]

00:39:37   I'd never been robbed at this point and [TS]

00:39:41   they're they're talking to me and I mean [TS]

00:39:43   I kind of woke up and they were already [TS]

00:39:45   in mid-conversation let me so I didn't [TS]

00:39:49   know where the conversation started and [TS]

00:39:52   I you know only spoke a little bit of [TS]

00:39:55   spanish and they're asking me questions [TS]

00:39:57   really calmly and it's the middle of the [TS]

00:40:01   night and I'm and I realized that this [TS]

00:40:04   moment that in choosing this park on the [TS]

00:40:07   edge of town [TS]

00:40:07   I chose a place where i was you know [TS]

00:40:09   where i could shoot a flare gun off and [TS]

00:40:11   nobody nice elated [TS]

00:40:13   yeah and they just kind of stand there [TS]

00:40:16   with their hands in their pockets and we [TS]

00:40:18   have a conversation 45 minutes during [TS]

00:40:22   which time I'm saying like not really [TS]

00:40:24   sure with what you need and I'm not [TS]

00:40:26   really sure what you want and and I hope [TS]

00:40:28   you're having a really nice night and [TS]

00:40:31   you know I I knew there was a [TS]

00:40:34   dangerous situation but I didn't know [TS]

00:40:36   what to do [TS]

00:40:37   like I i had already made all the [TS]

00:40:39   decisions that that preclude me from [TS]

00:40:42   doing anything and for whatever reason [TS]

00:40:45   these guys just sort of looked at each [TS]

00:40:47   other and sauntered off and maybe they [TS]

00:40:50   were just being nice [TS]

00:40:52   I mean maybe who knows that's so weird [TS]

00:40:55   but but when i look at the time I was [TS]

00:40:58   like well who good thing I handled that [TS]

00:41:00   situation laid back down went back to [TS]

00:41:03   sleep but later on I looked back it was [TS]

00:41:06   like uh you were they asking me for the [TS]

00:41:10   keys to my motorcycle I mean if it that [TS]

00:41:12   was certainly a possibility that [TS]

00:41:14   somebody would come along and be like [TS]

00:41:16   there's a motorcycle and there's a kid [TS]

00:41:19   like let's let's take it up but that [TS]

00:41:23   never happened and what if that never [TS]

00:41:26   happened through many many many [TS]

00:41:28   iterations of back right where I look [TS]

00:41:31   back now and don't like oh they were [TS]

00:41:34   trying to kill me with and when it did [TS]

00:41:37   start to happen when I did start to get [TS]

00:41:38   ripped off it was always in a way that [TS]

00:41:41   was like it hurt [TS]

00:41:44   its tongue but but not you know and not [TS]

00:41:49   so much that that I said I'm you know [TS]

00:41:53   I'm going to go join the priesthood or [TS]

00:41:54   whatever you feel personal when I [TS]

00:41:57   started getting hurt [TS]

00:41:58   yeah well I mean look at the the thing [TS]

00:42:00   is it's um it always does [TS]

00:42:02   yeah yeah it's anything that involves an [TS]

00:42:05   incursion into your person I think kinda [TS]

00:42:07   can't help but feel personal even fits [TS]

00:42:09   you know and they're like even the guys [TS]

00:42:11   in France I mean that's something that [TS]

00:42:12   was all business like something they'd [TS]

00:42:13   done over and over and over again [TS]

00:42:15   oh yeah and I and and every time a bit [TS]

00:42:18   director about the time I was walking [TS]

00:42:19   across the chain bridge in Budapest [TS]

00:42:22   have I told you this story no no I don't [TS]

00:42:26   know this one can walk across the chain [TS]

00:42:28   bridge which is the you know the like [TS]

00:42:30   big central bridge and input a budapest [TS]

00:42:33   or patched depending on one's listening [TS]

00:42:36   did you get did you get yelled at by [TS]

00:42:39   that guy from Ukraine my god did the [TS]

00:42:42   gallon [TS]

00:42:43   yeah I don't acknowledge that no but [TS]

00:42:44   buda-pesht you are you feeling like the [TS]

00:42:47   way i like the way he broke down his [TS]

00:42:49   various grievances with us by person [TS]

00:42:51   yeah all of all it was lots of ! you [TS]

00:42:55   know did you notice that I got heat for [TS]

00:42:56   stuff you said not of course I hope you [TS]

00:42:58   do if you are responsible i am i'm the [TS]

00:43:01   on the editor you are you're the first [TS]

00:43:03   allowed you to be how you are [TS]

00:43:05   it may not continue do i and and two [TS]

00:43:10   guys come around so so the the way when [TS]

00:43:12   you want to cross the this particular [TS]

00:43:14   bridge like you get to the stanchions in [TS]

00:43:16   the middle of the river of which there [TS]

00:43:18   are two one on either side the big you [TS]

00:43:21   know the pillars and the and the path [TS]

00:43:24   the pedestrian path goes around these [TS]

00:43:27   pillars right so the pedestrian path is [TS]

00:43:30   not just a continuous sight line of a [TS]

00:43:33   like a guardrail along the brown I see [TS]

00:43:37   there's like I got a little on blind a [TS]

00:43:41   little blonde right and i end the [TS]

00:43:43   manhattan bridge is like that beautiful [TS]

00:43:46   bridge the-the yeah yeah it's a [TS]

00:43:48   beautiful Bridget so it's one of the [TS]

00:43:50   that's one of the great purchase but I'm [TS]

00:43:52   on uh I'm on the Buddhist i'm headed to [TS]

00:43:56   the pesticide and I come around this [TS]

00:44:01   corner into this little blind on the [TS]

00:44:06   buda side and there are these two guys [TS]

00:44:08   about my age and they're fashionable [TS]

00:44:12   young guys and as I come around the [TS]

00:44:16   corner one of them kind of looks at me [TS]

00:44:17   with surprise and delight he goes but I [TS]

00:44:22   rebel and speaks to me in Hungarian and [TS]

00:44:23   I'm like oh sorry I'm American he's like [TS]

00:44:25   Oh American of course you are you are [TS]

00:44:30   you are a very fashionable guy and I was [TS]

00:44:34   like really nice top and he's like we [TS]

00:44:40   are reporters for the local a Hungarian [TS]

00:44:44   youth newspaper and I'm like uh-huh and [TS]

00:44:50   he says would you mind if we took your [TS]

00:44:52   picture for our fashion spread of like [TS]

00:44:56   street fashion for the local paper and I [TS]

00:45:00   was like I would not mind I would be you [TS]

00:45:05   know I would i will take five minutes of [TS]

00:45:06   my day to help tell people to help you [TS]

00:45:09   guys and I was wearing a Levi's jacket [TS]

00:45:13   and some denim and Levi's and some boots [TS]

00:45:16   and a shirt but I what I did I I did [TS]

00:45:22   agree with them that I was pretty [TS]

00:45:23   cool-looking and so I stand there you [TS]

00:45:26   know kind of look in pretty pretty [TS]

00:45:28   seasons and they take and they got other [TS]

00:45:30   guys got a camera the guy that's not [TS]

00:45:31   doing the talking and he's like you know [TS]

00:45:34   takes a couple of snaps and the guy goes [TS]

00:45:36   ok you know like you know turn around [TS]

00:45:38   like give us a little bit of you know [TS]

00:45:39   get a little action shows you know let's [TS]

00:45:42   get shot from the back and I turn around [TS]

00:45:43   and kinda he's like look over your [TS]

00:45:46   shoulder and I look over my shoulder [TS]

00:45:48   Adam real fashion shoot stick out my [TS]

00:45:52   butt a little bit like hello hello [TS]

00:45:55   ladies and he's like now like a like [TS]

00:45:57   like flip the collar of your coat now so [TS]

00:46:01   we can see that tags so we can see the [TS]

00:46:05   brand and I'm like I was just Levi's you [TS]

00:46:09   know and I kind of flipped the tag and [TS]

00:46:11   i'm gonna show the levis tag like see [TS]

00:46:13   Levi's it's not it's not that weird i [TS]

00:46:18   mean i guess i guess it used to be [TS]

00:46:21   here and hungry more more and and so far [TS]

00:46:24   everything seems this is all just [TS]

00:46:25   totally fine you are having a blast [TS]

00:46:27   yeah all alone out here in the middle of [TS]

00:46:29   the bridge the three of us and then he [TS]

00:46:32   says you know shrug the shoulders off of [TS]

00:46:35   your jacket and kind of pull it down a [TS]

00:46:37   little bit and show the tag we can't [TS]

00:46:39   quite see it and I shrug the shoulders [TS]

00:46:42   off the jacket i'm trying to be helpful [TS]

00:46:44   guy and I shrug the shoulders down and [TS]

00:46:49   now i have tied myself a little bit in [TS]

00:46:53   my own Kotel right i have one yeah I get [TS]

00:46:57   it sits down this down your arms don't [TS]

00:46:59   have your arms have restricted movement [TS]

00:47:01   yeah man I'm I'm gradually gradually [TS]

00:47:03   incapacitating myself and some things [TS]

00:47:08   some wind off the river or some little [TS]

00:47:11   thing in my head [TS]

00:47:13   maybe I see just like a just like a tiny [TS]

00:47:17   spark in this guy's eyes something [TS]

00:47:20   happens but i mean i'm also running a [TS]

00:47:22   running a script aside script right Mike [TS]

00:47:27   think this is weird like really the the [TS]

00:47:29   tags are what you want to see and I [TS]

00:47:33   suddenly get like a a chill and I flip [TS]

00:47:36   my jacket back up and turn around and [TS]

00:47:38   look at this guy [TS]

00:47:39   I kind of square off and look at him and [TS]

00:47:43   then all of a sudden it's like one of [TS]

00:47:46   those vampire movies where the guy's [TS]

00:47:48   eyes go white and the fangs come out [TS]

00:47:50   he's like God and the other dude like [TS]

00:47:53   like the take the jump into a posture [TS]

00:47:58   where they're they're not getting [TS]

00:48:01   anymore they are looking for their like [TS]

00:48:04   they were there were two seconds from [TS]

00:48:06   grabbing me when I was incapacitated and [TS]

00:48:10   now I was recap acetate it and they were [TS]

00:48:13   you know things out like your prey for a [TS]

00:48:17   total pray but I i had regained my [TS]

00:48:20   footing and I had I was facing them both [TS]

00:48:23   and had [TS]

00:48:24   my legs apart and was like went into a [TS]

00:48:27   combat posture and we SAT there in [TS]

00:48:30   history each other my god they were [TS]

00:48:32   literally hissing at me and you know and [TS]

00:48:39   honestly most of the most of my feelings [TS]

00:48:42   were rooted in being kind of [TS]

00:48:44   disappointed that they had lied to me [TS]

00:48:46   about being fashionable that would be a [TS]

00:48:47   nice break for you [TS]

00:48:48   you know I was like ah but I i did that [TS]

00:48:53   you know i did that thing where I where [TS]

00:48:55   we saw we circled each other video house [TS]

00:48:57   on you now because this is that this is [TS]

00:49:00   the lucky this is the lucky break like [TS]

00:49:02   when I want to examine the moments in my [TS]

00:49:04   life where I where I acknowledge that I [TS]

00:49:06   have tremendous privilege one of those [TS]

00:49:10   one of those privileges is that I'm I'm [TS]

00:49:12   just a big big and I look capable maybe [TS]

00:49:17   get an incident like that the whole [TS]

00:49:19   value of being any good at their job [TS]

00:49:21   would be to quickly you know rob [TS]

00:49:24   somebody and have it be over with and be [TS]

00:49:25   gone like the whole idea of this you [TS]

00:49:28   know Eastern European ballet movement [TS]

00:49:29   about vampires seems really strange [TS]

00:49:31   well and so what so their game i think [TS]

00:49:35   was get a guy turn around get him so he [TS]

00:49:40   pulls his jacket down around his around [TS]

00:49:42   his elbows and then whack him from [TS]

00:49:47   behind and grabbed his wallet and is so [TS]

00:49:51   while you're undercover to a girl pose [TS]

00:49:53   I get you know whacky from behind one [TS]

00:49:56   year yeah when you're like when you're [TS]

00:49:57   if i had not been looking over my [TS]

00:50:00   shoulder if I had turned and just show [TS]

00:50:02   them the tag that they were hoping for [TS]

00:50:05   yeah they would've whacked me probably [TS]

00:50:06   with the dummy camera and a all you know [TS]

00:50:12   all the trying to get your wallet in [TS]

00:50:13   your passport because because you're an [TS]

00:50:16   American tourist and you've got a job at [TS]

00:50:18   steel got 300 euros or something [TS]

00:50:21   now that they were facing me and it was [TS]

00:50:23   like going to be actual combat they had [TS]

00:50:26   a second to third and fourth thought [TS]

00:50:28   about it and in that amount of time i [TS]

00:50:30   was able to circle them around until the [TS]

00:50:32   until the opening presented itself for [TS]

00:50:35   me to head on up the path and then once [TS]

00:50:38   i started to move you know it was over [TS]

00:50:41   and they went the other way and we never [TS]

00:50:43   saw each other please Louise would have [TS]

00:50:45   strange incident lots and lots of those [TS]

00:50:49   in the course of of you know in the over [TS]

00:50:52   the years they sound like they might [TS]

00:50:54   have been kind of new to that racket [TS]

00:50:55   they were trying out some new things [TS]

00:50:58   tonight we try the trick when he pulls [TS]

00:50:59   down the jacket yeah maybe maybe they [TS]

00:51:01   maybe they thought maybe they'd done it [TS]

00:51:03   once and it worked and then they thought [TS]

00:51:04   this is our game now I mean they're at [TS]

00:51:08   no point did somebody you know at no [TS]

00:51:12   point did they pull out a soviet-era [TS]

00:51:13   pistol pointed at me right at the book [TS]

00:51:16   but you know the but some famous [TS]

00:51:19   gangster once said to me if a guy's got [TS]

00:51:22   a pistol [TS]

00:51:23   it's a pretty safe bet he's also got a [TS]

00:51:24   car and I was like is that true and he [TS]

00:51:30   was like well the first thing you do [TS]

00:51:32   with a pistol is get a car to do you [TS]

00:51:35   understand me and I was like you right [TS]

00:51:38   course if you had a pistol [TS]

00:51:40   it's worth more it's worth more to you [TS]

00:51:42   it is worth more to you as a tool to get [TS]

00:51:47   a car then it is as a tool to take [TS]

00:51:49   twenty dollars on from the tourists on [TS]

00:51:50   icy right like the first thing you do is [TS]

00:51:53   good but stick it inside some guys faces [TS]

00:51:55   they give me your car right [TS]

00:51:57   okay so you got a pistol it's a safe bet [TS]

00:52:00   you've got a car and if you if if [TS]

00:52:02   somebody's just standing there with a [TS]

00:52:03   pistol on the sidewalk taking twenty [TS]

00:52:05   dollars off of people it's a pretty safe [TS]

00:52:07   bet that it's not a real pistol or are [TS]

00:52:09   offered a POW icc i was getting lost in [TS]

00:52:12   this if you give a mouse a cookie thing [TS]

00:52:14   ok that makes sense i switched and so [TS]

00:52:16   maybe not a real pistol ok that makes [TS]

00:52:18   sense but you know and I've had some [TS]

00:52:20   pistol pointed at me one in particular [TS]

00:52:21   on the on the sidewalk and when a pistol [TS]

00:52:25   pointed at you don't think to yourself [TS]

00:52:27   you guys got a pistol he's probably got [TS]

00:52:28   a car [TS]

00:52:29   you just go right all right well this is [TS]

00:52:32   this situation maybe he just got the [TS]

00:52:34   pistol he's on his way to get in your [TS]

00:52:36   car and he thought he'd stop and rob me [TS]

00:52:39   yeah i just got through this with my mom [TS]

00:52:41   was like a big second amendment [TS]

00:52:42   gun-carrying person and she had all [TS]

00:52:45   these you know what's your second [TS]

00:52:46   Amendment person you can come up with [TS]

00:52:48   all kinds of reasons that you need to [TS]

00:52:49   have a gun and in her case it was that [TS]

00:52:51   she was doing depositing stuff at night [TS]

00:52:53   mean you know the bank back when you go [TS]

00:52:56   to that big big door and possibly i just [TS]

00:52:59   always feel like I hate to burst your [TS]

00:53:01   bubble but like unless you're going to [TS]

00:53:03   have a gun pulled marshal Dillon style [TS]

00:53:06   before you ever get up to their I don't [TS]

00:53:08   have a chance right right you're gonna [TS]

00:53:10   like hold on let me get my gun [TS]

00:53:13   yeah yeah it worked with with somebody [TS]

00:53:15   who's like enough of a nutjob to stand [TS]

00:53:17   around by a bank and and Rob people who [TS]

00:53:20   are making deposits like that's probably [TS]

00:53:22   somebody with a little more skin in the [TS]

00:53:23   game than you yeah right and so so your [TS]

00:53:26   only option is to walk up to a bank with [TS]

00:53:28   your deposit in one hand / already ready [TS]

00:53:30   to go like your fucking Mannix or [TS]

00:53:31   something like s4 in a circle with that [TS]

00:53:34   with the handgun in this other palm you [TS]

00:53:37   know and that's going to attract [TS]

00:53:38   attention [TS]

00:53:39   you gotta do it every night yeah yeah a [TS]

00:53:42   policeman is going to see that one time [TS]

00:53:44   yeah yeah I don't know you know even [TS]

00:53:47   carrying a knife around which I tried to [TS]

00:53:50   do for a while like I well you know I [TS]

00:53:52   feel a little bit vulnerable having been [TS]

00:53:54   robbed as many times as I have [TS]

00:53:56   i'm talking about a certain period of my [TS]

00:53:57   life post a post golden era where I [TS]

00:54:01   never got in trouble but before the [TS]

00:54:05   present day where you would sometimes [TS]

00:54:09   maybe be a little bit out of your senses [TS]

00:54:14   I was well I was there was a period even [TS]

00:54:16   every robble for a while [TS]

00:54:18   yeah there were a lot of times I was [TS]

00:54:19   probable probably got robbed many times [TS]

00:54:21   that I don't remember and got robbed a [TS]

00:54:25   lot of times in drug deals gone wrong [TS]

00:54:29   there are some of the worst robberies [TS]

00:54:31   because [TS]

00:54:33   you have scraped together some money to [TS]

00:54:36   get some drugs and all you wanted some [TS]

00:54:39   drugs and you're so close you're right [TS]

00:54:41   there you're talking to the guy you're [TS]

00:54:43   right that's right there [TS]

00:54:44   you're about to have the drugs and then [TS]

00:54:46   everyone goes home and everybody is [TS]

00:54:48   happy and fine and all problems are [TS]

00:54:50   resolved and then the guy Rob's you and [TS]

00:54:54   then you're like now not only do I not [TS]

00:54:55   have the drugs i also do not have the [TS]

00:54:58   money that I managed to scrape together [TS]

00:54:59   so i have no there's no like Plan B it [TS]

00:55:03   makes it hard to trust people [TS]

00:55:04   it's so hard and uh and then also the [TS]

00:55:08   humiliation of getting robbed and then [TS]

00:55:10   invariably I would chase the drug dealer [TS]

00:55:13   and so that's a real boy had a central [TS]

00:55:16   system the fourth problem which was that [TS]

00:55:20   then that then I would be in a worse [TS]

00:55:21   situation so Gemma catch him [TS]

00:55:23   uh know what happens is you chase the [TS]

00:55:26   drug dealer and he leads you into us he [TS]

00:55:29   leads you into a blind alley i basically [TS]

00:55:33   lead you into a canyon and then there [TS]

00:55:36   are snipers on earth look at the canyon [TS]

00:55:41   yeah and you're like whoa Hoss and then [TS]

00:55:44   he turns around and says now we're going [TS]

00:55:45   to the classic misdirection how do you [TS]

00:55:47   like the idea like me now got in there [TS]

00:55:48   like you know what what I really like [TS]

00:55:50   the reason I chased you was that I [TS]

00:55:52   wanted to apologize before I want to [TS]

00:55:54   apologize for not having more money for [TS]

00:55:57   you to steal and I'm just gonna back out [TS]

00:55:59   of this Canyon for a couple couple of [TS]

00:56:01   those that that's gotta be a depressing [TS]

00:56:03   named super depressing and it's it's [TS]

00:56:05   super depressing to get ripped off by a [TS]

00:56:07   drug dealer that you know and think is [TS]

00:56:09   your friend that's no that's no fun but [TS]

00:56:11   I wash so there was a while there where [TS]

00:56:13   I was carrying a knife because i thought [TS]

00:56:15   i'm sure you eat you're a dummy to be [TS]

00:56:20   out here in the world doing all these [TS]

00:56:22   things and not have something did you [TS]

00:56:25   have the attention of of using it i mean [TS]

00:56:28   like if you're gonna carry a knife a lot [TS]

00:56:30   it really helps to have stabbed people a [TS]

00:56:32   bunch to just kind of get a feel for the [TS]

00:56:34   thing is i did some Travis Bickle going [TS]

00:56:36   who you know you're talking to me [TS]

00:56:39   mhm you you talking to me about your off [TS]

00:56:41   the amateurs a little bit right yeah and [TS]

00:56:43   I would pop the knife out and for a [TS]

00:56:44   while I had a switchblade [TS]

00:56:46   and then I had one of those spyderco [TS]

00:56:49   knives that a guy had like I had [TS]

00:56:51   modified the spyderco so that you know a [TS]

00:56:54   spyderco you flip it open with your [TS]

00:56:56   thumb [TS]

00:56:57   yeah yeah um knife yeah but he had money [TS]

00:57:00   somehow taken this spyderco I don't know [TS]

00:57:02   how he did it but he made it so that you [TS]

00:57:05   can just pull it out and flick your [TS]

00:57:07   wrist and this and the knife would flip [TS]

00:57:10   out if root it loosened the action [TS]

00:57:13   who and so I had this [TS]

00:57:17   spyderco that was very impressive you [TS]

00:57:19   pull this thing out flip it like you're [TS]

00:57:22   in west side story and then it's not a [TS]

00:57:25   switchblade it's this serrated like [TS]

00:57:29   basically like table saw that that knife [TS]

00:57:33   raised some eyebrows on that if it's [TS]

00:57:36   good for dramatic effect [TS]

00:57:37   i miss it i miss that knife I lost it [TS]

00:57:40   but uh but but I carried by carrying a [TS]

00:57:44   knife around for a while until i [TS]

00:57:45   realized just as you're saying it's one [TS]

00:57:47   thing to like pull your spyderco out [TS]

00:57:49   flip it and look in the mirror and say [TS]

00:57:52   now who's now who wants a like a year [TS]

00:57:56   like that's ignite 12 with a pair of [TS]

00:57:58   chucks only a high of this haha how do i [TS]

00:58:02   just take this from you and hit you with [TS]

00:58:04   until I get tired [TS]

00:58:05   yeah okay but the prospect of actually [TS]

00:58:08   like getting in a knife fight [TS]

00:58:09   I mean the danger of getting a knife [TS]

00:58:12   fight with somebody is if they are even [TS]

00:58:13   if they're even slightly better at night [TS]

00:58:16   fighting than you are [TS]

00:58:17   oh and you could very easily hurt [TS]

00:58:19   yourself in a knife fight [TS]

00:58:21   well that I think the danger is that you [TS]

00:58:22   get into a knife fight with somebody who [TS]

00:58:23   is as you describe what has more skin in [TS]

00:58:26   the game than you is more desperate than [TS]

00:58:28   you you are mad that they stoled thirty [TS]

00:58:32   dollars they are desperate to stay out [TS]

00:58:35   of jail and desperate to live and that [TS]

00:58:39   what they'll do is take your knife away [TS]

00:58:41   from you and then stabbed you with your [TS]

00:58:43   own nice and you want to talk about [TS]

00:58:45   losing some dignity [TS]

00:58:48   all in one of his drugs United my knife [TS]

00:58:51   to yeah I went into this a ticket thirty [TS]

00:58:53   dollars worth of drugs and now I'm dead [TS]

00:58:55   yeah that talk about a bad plan so i [TS]

00:58:58   said i did keep carrying a knife because [TS]

00:59:00   they're it's good to have something to [TS]

00:59:01   cut cheese [TS]

00:59:02   yeah that's true but i but i stopped [TS]

00:59:05   everything that I was ever gonna pull a [TS]

00:59:07   knife out and pointed at somebody [TS]

00:59:09   many many years ago because I just [TS]

00:59:12   pictured the seem like I'm not a knife [TS]

00:59:14   fighter and if I encounter one I don't [TS]

00:59:17   want to show him my knife people get [TS]

00:59:19   such fantasies you know such fantasies [TS]

00:59:21   about you know how stuff is going to go [TS]

00:59:23   and what's going to happen in that [TS]

00:59:24   situation and I just my impression is [TS]

00:59:27   that the more often you've been in [TS]

00:59:28   fights over the more often you had [TS]

00:59:30   violence visited upon you tried to [TS]

00:59:32   defend yourself like you seem to get [TS]

00:59:34   more and more realistic about how much [TS]

00:59:36   that fantasy action you know you're not [TS]

00:59:37   really going to like a roundhouse kick [TS]

00:59:39   and the fight [TS]

00:59:40   oh you did you know that my broken [TS]

00:59:44   finger of several months ago still pains [TS]

00:59:47   be doesn't give me an update on this and [TS]

00:59:49   now and now wow really how this happened [TS]

00:59:51   well the the first friday i got in with [TS]

00:59:54   the to kill all right larson and in and [TS]

00:59:57   I was counseling you to gently to maybe [TS]

00:59:57   I was counseling you to gently to maybe [TS]

01:00:00   you'll have that looked at and it was [TS]

01:00:01   getting worse and worse and then you put [TS]

01:00:03   some together with like chopsticks and [TS]

01:00:06   band-aids [TS]

01:00:06   that's right that's right I finally you [TS]

01:00:08   know I finally went to the doctor the [TS]

01:00:10   doctor said well I don't think it's [TS]

01:00:12   broken you been walking around for three [TS]

01:00:15   weeks with it tied to some chopsticks [TS]

01:00:18   it's probably just a spring and he [TS]

01:00:20   doesn't know your background so yeah [TS]

01:00:22   there's no like what kind of stock [TS]

01:00:23   you're from he did the x-ray and he was [TS]

01:00:25   like oh it's fractured and a since [TS]

01:00:29   you've been walking around for three [TS]

01:00:30   weeks time to some chopsticks there's [TS]

01:00:33   nothing we can do [TS]

01:00:33   it's not we're not going to really break [TS]

01:00:36   it so te said you just need to start [TS]

01:00:41   stretching it haha [TS]

01:00:45   and so God he was like you know usually [TS]

01:00:50   it takes what he say 90 days to to [TS]

01:00:56   completely heal and so for a month for [TS]

01:01:00   two months I'm just like Oh agonisingly [TS]

01:01:03   working this stiff broken finger and is [TS]

01:01:08   the idea to sit to coax it Ortiz it into [TS]

01:01:11   being in the right position or that it [TS]

01:01:12   doesn't swell or what's the wasn't them [TS]

01:01:14   I think what it what ends up happening [TS]

01:01:16   is you know the bone starts to rebuild [TS]

01:01:18   itself and then you just the the muscles [TS]

01:01:22   and the scar tissue no scar tissue just [TS]

01:01:25   wants to adhere to the to the heel to [TS]

01:01:29   the to the to the place where it was [TS]

01:01:31   broken and if the scar tissue succeeds [TS]

01:01:33   in doing that then you can move your [TS]

01:01:34   finger on that hard you won't be able to [TS]

01:01:35   move and use it and so you have to get [TS]

01:01:38   the everyday kind of break a heart scar [TS]

01:01:41   tissue [TS]

01:01:42   oh god and so I was doing this for two [TS]

01:01:45   months and then three months and I was [TS]

01:01:49   like come on what is wrong and I went to [TS]

01:01:51   the doctor and I was like you know this [TS]

01:01:53   can't possibly be what happens when you [TS]

01:01:55   break your finger in the movies all the [TS]

01:01:57   time guys do things where it's clear [TS]

01:01:59   they broke their hand and the next day [TS]

01:02:01   they're out fighting crime [TS]

01:02:02   yeah they might gotta do this flexing [TS]

01:02:04   thing a little bit getting a half [TS]

01:02:06   yeah you know like no give themselves [TS]

01:02:07   more Oh out [TS]

01:02:09   and it's clear that he broke his hand [TS]

01:02:12   and five places but the next day he's [TS]

01:02:14   like slop solving solving mysteries and [TS]

01:02:18   they're like no it really you know if [TS]

01:02:20   you break your finger it sticks it takes [TS]

01:02:22   90 days to to fix it and then I got [TS]

01:02:24   there the doctor looks at the chart and [TS]

01:02:28   he says oh but I mean I got your age [TS]

01:02:32   take six months uh criminy and I think [TS]

01:02:36   he doesn't offer to break it fix it [TS]

01:02:37   that's not on the table now he said you [TS]

01:02:39   know it's fine it's like it was [TS]

01:02:41   fractured it was slightly displaced but [TS]

01:02:44   it's healing now and it it's not you [TS]

01:02:48   know it's not a wasn't a compound [TS]

01:02:51   fracture it wasn't like radically [TS]

01:02:52   displaced it was just a little bit [TS]

01:02:55   the bone was just a little bit sideways [TS]

01:02:58   and then it filled in in between and now [TS]

01:03:02   it the bone if you if you took the bone [TS]

01:03:05   out you know if when people look at your [TS]

01:03:07   skeleton they will be able to see that [TS]

01:03:08   it was broken and that bone will have a [TS]

01:03:11   little bump is your right forefinger [TS]

01:03:14   right yeah [TS]

01:03:16   ah God so anyway that happened in like [TS]

01:03:19   the funerals Thursday September first of [TS]

01:03:22   September right yeah and now here we are [TS]

01:03:23   in February and i am still everyday [TS]

01:03:27   exercising this finger it is still stiff [TS]

01:03:31   and you know hurts and so the sense [TS]

01:03:36   September 22 now they've been probably [TS]

01:03:38   three or four instances where I was like [TS]

01:03:40   in a situation overseas or or in a in a [TS]

01:03:45   strange town or wherever where I was [TS]

01:03:49   like this guy this guy's gaming for a [TS]

01:03:54   punch in the nose and then I'm like I [TS]

01:03:58   look down at my hand and I'm like oh [TS]

01:04:00   what's up what's up nose puncher you're [TS]

01:04:04   not the guy to give this guy a punch in [TS]

01:04:05   the nose [TS]

01:04:06   you're still recovering from the last [TS]

01:04:07   time John that's that's tragic and it's [TS]

01:04:10   just like welcome to welcome to the [TS]

01:04:13   terrordome [TS]

01:04:15   like I you know the minutes are looking [TS]

01:04:19   around like hey you can get this guy [TS]

01:04:21   punched in the nose i can't do it i got [TS]

01:04:23   a busted hand I would have done it [TS]

01:04:24   myself there what you know what guy you [TS]

01:04:26   know what kind i would punch you in the [TS]

01:04:28   nose right now if I didn't already have [TS]

01:04:30   a busted finger and I'm pointing at him [TS]

01:04:32   with my crooked finger I didn't already [TS]

01:04:34   have a busted from the last guys knows i [TS]

01:04:36   punched don't don't toy with me [TS]

01:04:39   yeah as I speak you are really practice [TS]

01:04:41   that's so lame so sucks so basically I'm [TS]

01:04:45   just like becoming increasingly just a [TS]

01:04:48   guy in a wheelchair with a blanket over [TS]

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01:06:14   started about punching the guys [TS]

01:06:17   no yeah I have my nurse will be out on [TS]

01:06:20   the deck of the ship there was on the [TS]

01:06:23   chain bridge [TS]

01:06:24   it was a night just like this back so [TS]

01:06:31   depressing [TS]

01:06:31   it's so depressing what is happening [TS]

01:06:33   Marilyn what's happening oh man it's you [TS]

01:06:35   got all kinds of problems you got to [TS]

01:06:36   entropy you got gravity is I know what [TS]

01:06:41   it is it's free radicals in a the [TS]

01:06:43   fucking radical now we want to get this [TS]

01:06:45   to bind to something is that how it [TS]

01:06:47   works [TS]

01:06:47   I think you want an antioxidant an [TS]

01:06:50   antioxidant oh yeah you and what that [TS]

01:06:52   does is it it auntie oxidizes huh mm I [TS]

01:06:56   should look into that I gotta do [TS]

01:06:57   something John they work for a long time [TS]

01:07:00   when they were talking about building [TS]

01:07:02   spaceships that traveled interstellar [TS]

01:07:04   distances on solar wind and that same [TS]

01:07:08   solar wind is pummeling us every day [TS]

01:07:11   with free radicals and nobody's making [TS]

01:07:13   spaceship [TS]

01:07:14   yeah right what we wear where r is all [TS]

01:07:17   downside [TS]

01:07:17   yeah we're sailing ships went outside [TS]

01:07:20   for interstellar six sailing ships we're [TS]

01:07:22   just getting pummeled with with the with [TS]

01:07:24   solar radiation and we don't even have [TS]

01:07:26   the interstellar saying you'd punch the [TS]

01:07:28   SolarWinds but you can't you're still [TS]

01:07:30   healing [TS]

01:07:31   that's what's gonna who's gonna who's [TS]

01:07:32   gonna defend this planet John I feel [TS]

01:07:35   like so so in our lifetimes yours and [TS]

01:07:38   mine there did not used to be health [TS]

01:07:42   nuts [TS]

01:07:43   except in the jack lalanne model where [TS]

01:07:46   you would go a TOA TOA ship across san [TS]

01:07:49   francisco bay point you could be an [TS]

01:07:51   enthusiastic but like if you were a like [TS]

01:07:54   in our childhood like you were like a [TS]

01:07:56   neti person from California if you [TS]

01:07:57   thought about that stuff you thought [TS]

01:07:58   about it at all I cannot and under the [TS]

01:08:00   kind of person who would buy whole wheat [TS]

01:08:01   bread like somebody was a real fringe [TS]

01:08:03   character [TS]

01:08:04   why would you buy brown bread when you [TS]

01:08:06   have perfectly so I got waiting to get [TS]

01:08:07   the rainbow bread its soft you can make [TS]

01:08:09   a sandwich and smash it but we're coming [TS]

01:08:12   were coming up on is the proof of [TS]

01:08:15   concepts era right where it people that [TS]

01:08:19   started eating vegetarian and vegan [TS]

01:08:22   diets [TS]

01:08:24   and practicing Eastern medicine and [TS]

01:08:27   thinking at all you ever get a cold at [TS]

01:08:30   this point where you've got 40 years of [TS]

01:08:32   this under our belt so now we should [TS]

01:08:33   start see some results [TS]

01:08:34   that's right people who have been living [TS]

01:08:36   mindful e since the sixties right so [TS]

01:08:40   there should start to be this this [TS]

01:08:43   cohort as you say who are exceeding life [TS]

01:08:47   expectancies and and we we have we can't [TS]

01:08:52   see it yet because the data is still [TS]

01:08:53   there's too much static but there will [TS]

01:08:58   but there should if those life [TS]

01:09:01   philosophies have any validity there [TS]

01:09:03   should start to be people who routinely [TS]

01:09:05   live to be a hundred and thirty right it [TS]

01:09:09   sure seems like it if that that pattern [TS]

01:09:11   should we do it if it works we should [TS]

01:09:13   start seeing for sure right because [TS]

01:09:15   there have always been people that live [TS]

01:09:16   to be a hundred and eighteen years do [TS]

01:09:18   commercials derby old ladies you like [TS]

01:09:21   Romanian ladies in the other [TS]

01:09:22   professionals right exactly [TS]

01:09:23   well I mean there's always some lady [TS]

01:09:25   some lady in France has been smoking gal [TS]

01:09:27   was for a throne right be five years you [TS]

01:09:31   watch yourself with cooking oil once a [TS]

01:09:33   week smokes and drinks everything's fine [TS]

01:09:36   yeah there's a hundred angry in the [TS]

01:09:37   world so so what we what we need to [TS]

01:09:40   start seeing is some of these pete [TS]

01:09:42   seeger types who are still doing naked [TS]

01:09:46   yoga and at a hundred and eighteen [TS]

01:09:50   hundred and twenty years old her and [TS]

01:09:52   then they're just like not dying and you [TS]

01:09:54   go wait a minute there's something to [TS]

01:09:56   this this guy's been eating bean sprouts [TS]

01:09:59   and like like some kind of thomas with [TS]

01:10:05   no honey and now he's a hundred and [TS]

01:10:08   fifty years old and look how happy is he [TS]

01:10:10   still having sex this guy that's right [TS]

01:10:12   he's so annoyed but if we type we don't [TS]

01:10:15   start to see those people pop out from [TS]

01:10:17   the herd pretty soon then we're gonna [TS]

01:10:20   have to re-evaluate the whole concept of [TS]

01:10:24   of that style of like health i remember [TS]

01:10:27   a guy saying to me i was i was cooking a [TS]

01:10:29   steak in a frying pan and some guys [TS]

01:10:31   house and he walked through and he was [TS]

01:10:32   like enjoy the hormones [TS]

01:10:36   ok he was a guy that was living on week [TS]

01:10:39   we crash sure he's on the way to naked [TS]

01:10:41   yoga [TS]

01:10:42   yeah enjoy the hormones and I was like [TS]

01:10:44   oh I'm not going to now [TS]

01:10:46   yeah thanks a lot that sounds disgusting [TS]

01:10:48   have fried hormones it but i don't know [TS]

01:10:54   i'm watching this guy I just do I still [TS]

01:10:56   I still know who that guy is I remember [TS]

01:10:58   his name i'm gonna i'm gonna be watching [TS]

01:10:59   those guys are dicks after the other [TS]

01:11:02   diseases here's the thing how do you [TS]

01:11:03   control for that how do you control for [TS]

01:11:04   the improvements in health care and [TS]

01:11:06   being a dick right [TS]

01:11:09   oh right you you think that maybe he [TS]

01:11:11   might live longer just because he's a [TS]

01:11:12   dick you know the type [TS]

01:11:13   he's got his little net bag that he [TS]

01:11:15   takes to the whole foods or whatever you [TS]

01:11:17   know the kind absolutely this guy he's a [TS]

01:11:19   massage therapist now my god [TS]

01:11:21   so all the massage and everything now [TS]

01:11:23   I'm not saying that live in a living a [TS]

01:11:24   life where you're where you're having [TS]

01:11:26   massages and uh and you're eating you're [TS]

01:11:30   eating stuff out of a bin at the [TS]

01:11:33   supermarket [TS]

01:11:34   maybe that isn't maybe that's a [TS]

01:11:35   wonderful life to live anyway for its [TS]

01:11:38   own sake even if you'd even if you die [TS]

01:11:40   at 65 but like contrasting myself [TS]

01:11:44   imagining myself like you know imagining [TS]

01:11:48   dying of a heart attack [TS]

01:11:51   kind of like goldie Hawn's husband in [TS]

01:11:53   private benjamin m [TS]

01:11:55   no just or like I like the running guy [TS]

01:11:57   Jim Fixx right remember him from the day [TS]

01:12:00   with the book on running and hit that [TS]

01:12:02   pitch he died of a heart attack he [TS]

01:12:05   totally died he had like a congenital [TS]

01:12:06   heart failure but a gentle heart [TS]

01:12:08   failures all the time where we have [TS]

01:12:09   finding congenital heart failures before [TS]

01:12:11   they happen [TS]

01:12:11   what do you mean that yoga boy i think [TS]

01:12:14   that i think that the that you your main [TS]

01:12:16   demographic of people that want to [TS]

01:12:18   discover a cure for congenital heart [TS]

01:12:20   disorders are people who have just [TS]

01:12:22   recently died like a general heart [TS]

01:12:25   disorders hormones yeah that's tragic [TS]

01:12:28   so anyway i'm watching the culture very [TS]

01:12:31   carefully to start see because pete [TS]

01:12:32   seeger did live to be a ripe old 98mm [TS]

01:12:35   huh but the country is full of of skinny [TS]

01:12:40   guys who ate nothing but jello and like [TS]

01:12:44   smoke dime store cigars who have to be [TS]

01:12:46   98 my my grandfather put a new roof on [TS]

01:12:49   his barn when he was 98 and he never ate [TS]

01:12:53   a vegetable really have the energy to [TS]

01:12:54   get coffee today [TS]

01:12:55   yeah I know oh my god you know what it's [TS]

01:12:57   the free radicals us i gotta find a way [TS]

01:12:59   to find this somebody on my Twitter sets [TS]

01:13:01   on the other day that blew my mind a [TS]

01:13:04   japanese girl like a girl born today in [TS]

01:13:07   Japan has a life expectancy that will [TS]

01:13:09   take her into the 22nd century [TS]

01:13:12   Wow right figure you can lead to be 85 [TS]

01:13:15   at least a pulpit but so i have had a I [TS]

01:13:21   was talking to a kid recently who went [TS]

01:13:23   to Japan for the first time and he's a [TS]

01:13:25   tall guy teenager and he said I was [TS]

01:13:29   really anxious about going to Japan [TS]

01:13:31   because I'm tall but he said all the [TS]

01:13:35   kids that are my age in japan now are [TS]

01:13:38   also really tall [TS]

01:13:40   no I was like is that true and he was [TS]

01:13:42   like yeah it's think it was just a it's [TS]

01:13:45   just some kind of thing where her shirt [TS]

01:13:47   was in Holland no no it was Japan it was [TS]

01:13:49   like young people in Japan are tall now [TS]

01:13:51   and so this whole business of like going [TS]

01:13:54   to Japan and and everybody is 5 feet [TS]

01:13:56   tall is like a butt in in 50 years [TS]

01:13:59   that's not going to be see I'm on the [TS]

01:14:00   horns of a dilemma here John because i [TS]

01:14:01   can't decide whether I should just start [TS]

01:14:04   refiling and reformulating all of my [TS]

01:14:07   stereotypes about Japan or whether i [TS]

01:14:09   should start over to Vegas because they [TS]

01:14:11   live at home with the parents that you [TS]

01:14:14   don't all I my sense was my great my [TS]

01:14:16   great grandparents were four foot nine [TS]

01:14:20   and my my grandparents were you know in [TS]

01:14:23   the mid fives and then my dad was six [TS]

01:14:25   foot one and i remember when i was a kid [TS]

01:14:27   and my dad was 61 or 62 that was tall [TS]

01:14:32   and people remarked upon it i like your [TS]

01:14:35   dad is 662 or something and 61 and and a [TS]

01:14:41   size 12 foot it was like hell yes look [TS]

01:14:43   at us like that were we're big Americans [TS]

01:14:46   and then when I got to be 63 and let's [TS]

01:14:50   not talk about let's not talk about the [TS]

01:14:51   anomaly i know you're changing rulers [TS]

01:14:54   are you still seeing discrepancy still [TS]

01:14:55   no I haven't been back to a doctor [TS]

01:14:56   actually you everything I was like you [TS]

01:14:58   know what quacks I don't let them fix [TS]

01:15:00   their measurements and then you come [TS]

01:15:01   back that's right that's right you're [TS]

01:15:03   fucking rulers and i'll be back but you [TS]

01:15:06   know and I was and I was like well what [TS]

01:15:08   the difference is when my dad and I both [TS]

01:15:10   ate kraft macaroni and cheese and all [TS]

01:15:12   the generations before did not have [TS]

01:15:14   access to kraft macaroni and cheese and [TS]

01:15:16   kraft macaroni and cheese is a growth [TS]

01:15:18   hormone [TS]

01:15:20   it's the only thing I can explain is the [TS]

01:15:22   only difference i mean they had pork [TS]

01:15:23   chops i had pork chop some people gonna [TS]

01:15:25   say that's anecdotal or or the bed i'm [TS]

01:15:27   with you let my daughter is huge and she [TS]

01:15:29   loves macaroni and cheese kraft macaroni [TS]

01:15:31   and cheese now for a while I thought it [TS]

01:15:33   was tab soda movie because my dad drank [TS]

01:15:37   tab and I drank tab and that the [TS]

01:15:39   generations before did not have access [TS]

01:15:41   to tab but the problem is that nobody [TS]

01:15:44   drinks tab anymore [TS]

01:15:45   now you ever see ya know but people keep [TS]

01:15:47   growing so it can't be tab it has to be [TS]

01:15:50   kraft macaroni and cheese it's the only [TS]

01:15:52   possible explanation and I'm sure that [TS]

01:15:55   in Japan today [TS]

01:15:56   kraft macaroni and cheese I mean I have [TS]

01:15:58   no evidence of this but if you do a [TS]

01:15:59   little research i'm sure you'll find [TS]

01:16:00   that it is very popular [TS]

01:16:02   I i would have to imagine that it's [TS]

01:16:03   extremely popular is no other possible [TS]

01:16:05   explanation right and in Canada for [TS]

01:16:07   Canadians down kraft dinner right kraft [TS]

01:16:09   dinner that's right that's what you're [TS]

01:16:10   thinking about a different well yeah [TS]

01:16:12   crafted it right you will keep you if [TS]

01:16:14   you buy a Pontiac well they don't sell [TS]

01:16:16   Pontiacs anymore but in the old days if [TS]

01:16:18   you bought a Pontiac in canada we have a [TS]

01:16:20   different name and a slightly different [TS]

01:16:22   grill and it would have been made in [TS]

01:16:24   Canada [TS]

01:16:26   just like what are you doing up there it [TS]

01:16:28   seems like that seems like a lot of [TS]

01:16:29   overhead for a very minor distinction [TS]

01:16:31   right build a whole fat but the thing is [TS]

01:16:34   they're big they do other work and they [TS]

01:16:36   got the Canadian content to rules right [TS]

01:16:38   you got it you gotta play lots of [TS]

01:16:39   nickelback on the radio they have lost [TS]

01:16:41   about this John that's why people like [TS]

01:16:42   Sloan their first we're forced to all [TS]

01:16:45   right you know it's incontrovertible [TS]

01:16:48   body was murdered and go yeah but man [TS]

01:16:57   you know I've been back for and this is [TS]

01:17:00   an important day because it's around two [TS]

01:17:01   weeks now we've been back from the [TS]

01:17:03   cruise [TS]

01:17:03   yeah and i still miss the gravy [TS]

01:17:06   it's one thing that's one thing I I [TS]

01:17:11   don't have anybody to talk to about this [TS]

01:17:13   and I'm so glad that you said that [TS]

01:17:15   yeah my whole life up until just very [TS]

01:17:19   recently if I just had a hot tray of [TS]

01:17:24   gravy on the stove at all times and no [TS]

01:17:28   matter what the meal was if it was kraft [TS]

01:17:31   dinner if it was fried chicken [TS]

01:17:34   if it was and noodles and butter [TS]

01:17:37   I mean all the great foods if I could [TS]

01:17:40   just on my way to the table [TS]

01:17:42   stop at the at the hot tray no question [TS]

01:17:46   and put two ladles of gravy on it huh [TS]

01:17:48   life would have been so much better and [TS]

01:17:50   then you get on a cruise ship and they [TS]

01:17:51   got like four kinds of grapes so much [TS]

01:17:53   gravy and they have great they have a [TS]

01:17:55   great for every meal the sausage gravy i [TS]

01:17:57   see John I realized this in the nineties [TS]

01:18:00   i realized i think it was before I [TS]

01:18:02   realized that if I ever became [TS]

01:18:04   successful which I have not but if I [TS]

01:18:06   ever did and I had the means i would [TS]

01:18:09   have it my one like like stupid like I [TS]

01:18:11   think to do is I would have sort of like [TS]

01:18:14   a drink machine at a 7-eleven something [TS]

01:18:16   along those lines probably a bespoke [TS]

01:18:18   product built to the purpose for me but [TS]

01:18:21   it would be a gravy serving phone i [TS]

01:18:23   would be able to have hot like a like a [TS]

01:18:25   white sausage gravy right you get a [TS]

01:18:27   brown like a like a mashed-potato kind [TS]

01:18:30   of gravy you want to want chunks in your [TS]

01:18:31   sausage grilled it was not a lot not a [TS]

01:18:33   lot but enough [TS]

01:18:35   yeah yeah it should be a little bit [TS]

01:18:36   substantial right [TS]

01:18:37   it's not gonna come out smooth thick [TS]

01:18:39   round brown gravy for your best potato [TS]

01:18:41   that's right that's right and handsome [TS]

01:18:42   as you [TS]

01:18:43   I'm gonna want to have a new one that I [TS]

01:18:45   don't know if you've gotten into your [TS]

01:18:46   head maitre d better now but it's not [TS]

01:18:49   what [TS]

01:18:49   well if I ever go to a steakhouse I feel [TS]

01:18:52   like skipping some people maitre d 10 [TS]

01:18:54   i'll say those walks could be very long [TS]

01:18:56   mr but you I know what you make it home [TS]

01:18:59   to get a couple sticks of butter put in [TS]

01:19:01   three teaspoons of fresh lemon juice [TS]

01:19:02   little bit of a little bit salt little [TS]

01:19:05   bit of pepper and then you let congeal i [TS]

01:19:08   put in like a ziplock bag and so they [TS]

01:19:10   can squeeze it out like a pastry thing [TS]

01:19:12   and you put that on a steak brother you [TS]

01:19:14   have never had anything like it [TS]

01:19:15   now seen out to me that would be part of [TS]

01:19:16   the gramophone oh IC put it on the steak [TS]

01:19:19   steak is good for everything it's like [TS]

01:19:21   extra salty butter with lemon in it and [TS]

01:19:24   boy is it ever said to me [TS]

01:19:25   still I can't seem to say if I become [TS]

01:19:27   successful not looking great right now [TS]

01:19:29   but if it ever does happen [TS]

01:19:31   greater no Merlin never know life is [TS]

01:19:32   long although not very long [TS]

01:19:34   well I want to yoga if i did i do the [TS]

01:19:36   general most fucking clothes on [TS]

01:19:37   so you're saying like a 44 nipple gravy [TS]

01:19:41   found four apertures it might come from [TS]

01:19:43   above it might be like on hoses like an [TS]

01:19:45   oil change place where you pull it down [TS]

01:19:47   just a sport right on the white ones the [TS]

01:19:50   white ones no-brainer [TS]

01:19:51   that's that boy I'll tell you ever have [TS]

01:19:53   one burger you have water probably [TS]

01:19:54   always sure you got to order order off [TS]

01:19:56   the menu at whataburger order also they [TS]

01:19:58   do great breakfast they had taquitos and [TS]

01:20:00   they got a really good good sausage [TS]

01:20:02   gravy so something like I think I'm [TS]

01:20:04   gonna go with sausage and go with brown [TS]

01:20:06   I'm gonna go with those you said [TS]

01:20:08   anything i'm missing now I'm not [TS]

01:20:10   thinking not a tomato sauce tomato [TS]

01:20:12   sauces and that's a day-to-day sauce for [TS]

01:20:13   me it's not a big deal it's not a thing [TS]

01:20:15   that you want in a tube well yeah it's [TS]

01:20:17   not something where i would not find [TS]

01:20:18   myself as I'm walking to the table [TS]

01:20:20   putting tomato sauce on things i would [TS]

01:20:21   put sausage gravy on virtually [TS]

01:20:23   everything well you know what you know [TS]

01:20:24   what I'm going to say I'm gonna say [TS]

01:20:25   cheese sauce [TS]

01:20:26   Oh where's your cheese sauce cheese [TS]

01:20:29   sauce would be nice and now we also just [TS]

01:20:30   be nice like through the evening [TS]

01:20:31   enjoying some TV with your family took a [TS]

01:20:33   little cheesy sauce [TS]

01:20:34   well so here's the thing about cheese [TS]

01:20:36   sauce right you got to have you got it [TS]

01:20:37   you want cheese sauce for your nachos [TS]

01:20:39   yeah but you don't want to have to [TS]

01:20:43   cheese sauces but you also have to have [TS]

01:20:46   an on nacho cheese sauce for your welsh [TS]

01:20:48   rarebit [TS]

01:20:49   well what kind of gravies on well it's [TS]

01:20:52   like it's like rabbits like cheese toast [TS]

01:20:54   right yeah it's like it's like it's a [TS]

01:20:56   sharp cheddar cheese [TS]

01:20:57   oh god that sounds good right and you [TS]

01:21:00   know of course the the meal that we make [TS]

01:21:01   my special family meal is is a version [TS]

01:21:04   of welsh rarebit it's like biscuits with [TS]

01:21:06   ham and then uh and then a fried egg and [TS]

01:21:11   then cheese sauce [TS]

01:21:13   although i would enjoy that it's insane [TS]

01:21:16   and you know you can put some thick ham [TS]

01:21:18   on there you can put some thin ham [TS]

01:21:20   that's a way I think the Windjammer has [TS]

01:21:23   created unrealistic expectations so so [TS]

01:21:25   you got your for cheat you got your for [TS]

01:21:27   sauces here white gravy or brown gravy [TS]

01:21:29   euros you and your was the fourth piece [TS]

01:21:32   was cheese going to be a fourth now from [TS]

01:21:34   for me [TS]

01:21:35   cm on the bubble I'm going above the [TS]

01:21:37   white in the brown I would introduce [TS]

01:21:38   into almost every meal in the other [TS]

01:21:40   sauce maybe don't butter sauce that's [TS]

01:21:41   right there [TS]

01:21:42   so for me I think i would i would take [TS]

01:21:44   the butter sauce out i put a cheese [TS]

01:21:46   sauce in there but it would be a tough [TS]

01:21:47   it would have to be a non jalapeno [TS]

01:21:51   flavored with cheese sauce and then i [TS]

01:21:53   would just add the jalapeno flavored a [TS]

01:21:55   nice cheese sauce not like some kind of [TS]

01:21:57   industrial cheese no no not not a [TS]

01:21:59   velveeta cheese butter cheese sauce [TS]

01:22:01   that's very hard to keep from separate [TS]

01:22:03   she's uh yeah and I mean I'm just [TS]

01:22:05   imagine it you know maybe like when you [TS]

01:22:07   work in a bar and you got the little [TS]

01:22:08   spritzer you know for coke and so don't [TS]

01:22:10   tell me is there is there is there a [TS]

01:22:14   meal is there a plate that you think [TS]

01:22:17   does not want a sauce know every meal [TS]

01:22:20   could be improved with some kind of a [TS]

01:22:21   sauce in fact it could make the meal [TS]

01:22:24   I mean you take some very simple meals [TS]

01:22:26   the kinds of fields were talking about [TS]

01:22:27   noodles try that with some brown gravy [TS]

01:22:28   on it and so good you know i'm saying so [TS]

01:22:30   good when i was in college i would get [TS]

01:22:33   to boil in a bag salsbury steak [TS]

01:22:36   ah which were what fifty cents at the [TS]

01:22:39   time that the sense of peace 22 [TS]

01:22:42   stouffer's boy in a bag Salisbury steaks [TS]

01:22:44   i make a huge pot of noodles and just [TS]

01:22:47   throw the Salisbury steaks and gravy in [TS]

01:22:49   the in the pot of noodles sounds so good [TS]

01:22:51   right now it's insane it's insanely good [TS]

01:22:53   at 44 less than two dollars i could feed [TS]

01:22:57   an army of one night [TS]

01:23:00   myself I think it's still do i still [TS]

01:23:02   want to keep chili special i don't think [TS]

01:23:03   i want you know i guess you could get [TS]

01:23:05   functionally it's something that's the [TS]

01:23:06   technology no no that's a different [TS]

01:23:08   thing I think you should keep it nice i [TS]

01:23:09   think you should you should have some [TS]

01:23:10   some nice canned chili that's easy [TS]

01:23:12   enough to do and you wouldn't choose not [TS]

01:23:14   a thing that you would well you put the [TS]

01:23:15   cheese sticks of chili is a sauce chili [TS]

01:23:18   is chili is the special special guests [TS]

01:23:21   at dinner you know it's gonna be good [TS]

01:23:23   with anybody but it but it is it is the [TS]

01:23:25   center of the event for me [TS]

01:23:26   right right now yeah I'm for me to like [TS]

01:23:29   it it's sometimes i make a hot dog and [TS]

01:23:32   put chili on it [TS]

01:23:33   who but the focus is on the chili hot [TS]

01:23:36   dogs just like it's like a topping [TS]

01:23:38   except it's underneath em right so true [TS]

01:23:40   right [TS]

01:23:41   uh-huh and so I'm trying to think of a [TS]

01:23:44   single thing that I would want that I [TS]

01:23:47   wouldn't augment with one of those four [TS]

01:23:50   so I think he's gonna put some sauces on [TS]

01:23:52   other gravy's i think if you had like [TS]

01:23:54   mesh video pretty good mashed potatoes [TS]

01:23:56   butter mashed potatoes with brown gravy [TS]

01:23:57   you put a little bit of sausage gravy on [TS]

01:23:59   top of that i do this all I do this all [TS]

01:24:02   the time i get a plate of food that you [TS]

01:24:04   haven't already has a gravy or sauce and [TS]

01:24:06   then I mean that I'm and I put a second [TS]

01:24:08   so awesome i wouldn't last going to [TS]

01:24:10   crease again I did it last night i [TS]

01:24:12   ordered i was in it I was in a Thai [TS]

01:24:14   restaurant i ordered a swimming Rama but [TS]

01:24:18   in this restaurant for whatever reason [TS]

01:24:20   they called showering Rama and I was [TS]

01:24:23   like I died I wanted Rama to swim i [TS]

01:24:25   don't want to ramas in a shower [TS]

01:24:27   that's not an image i want but anyway so [TS]

01:24:29   i ordered it and i use their own net [TS]

01:24:30   nomenclature I didn't do the thing where [TS]

01:24:32   I was like oh yeah can I get a baiting [TS]

01:24:34   rama i didn't isolate now and i just [TS]

01:24:37   said i would like showering Rama please [TS]

01:24:39   and then I got uh then I got a pond name [TS]

01:24:44   and I mixed the sauces oh brother put a [TS]

01:24:48   little bit of the pond eh i'll let you [TS]

01:24:50   know you let them let them touch in the [TS]

01:24:52   middle and then you're having a you're [TS]

01:24:54   having a peanut pond and party [TS]

01:25:00   yes gravy's man kind of low energy low [TS]

01:25:07   energy today are you feeling a little [TS]

01:25:08   bit of a kind of low-energy I didn't [TS]

01:25:10   like you want to be on the cruise don't [TS]

01:25:11   you know my god fucking gravy every meal [TS]

01:25:15   you just go through this great little [TS]

01:25:16   fried eggs at first I was resistant to [TS]

01:25:18   the little fridays just grab a Friday [TS]

01:25:20   You Don't Know What You Don't Know Who [TS]

01:25:21   friday they were really they felt kind [TS]

01:25:24   of mass-produced which I put me off at [TS]

01:25:26   first inventions like wow these are [TS]

01:25:27   totally mass-produced i can just have a [TS]

01:25:29   little over medium eggs any time haha [TS]

01:25:32   who met incredible just gonna get one [TS]

01:25:34   and that's I mean when I go to the [TS]

01:25:36   grocery store and I see those uh [TS]

01:25:37   hard-boiled eggs in a bag i just [TS]

01:25:40   discovered these i went to my friend's [TS]

01:25:42   place when Portland they go to costco [TS]

01:25:44   and they buy a big thing of boiled eggs [TS]

01:25:46   and bags and just eat them [TS]

01:25:47   yeah and i was very specific that I was [TS]

01:25:50   like that's not a thing that I like that [TS]

01:25:51   there's no way that's ever actually been [TS]

01:25:53   fresh that looks like it's got to be old [TS]

01:25:55   and gross and I had like five of them [TS]

01:25:57   you don't have to peel them use these [TS]

01:25:58   eating eggs [TS]

01:25:59   yeah they're just there and you can make [TS]

01:26:00   a you can make a chopped salad and I [TS]

01:26:04   gotta get that I gotta get ya [TS]

01:26:08   maybe if I just kept a little bit of [TS]

01:26:09   gravy on a low heat all day long [TS]

01:26:12   you know little bit a little bit of [TS]

01:26:14   sausage gravy all day long [TS]

01:26:15   how do you think the rest of your family [TS]

01:26:16   or two about them in the house would [TS]

01:26:17   smell amazing [TS]

01:26:19   I think it would say anything for a [TS]

01:26:21   couple days immediately then on it just [TS]

01:26:26   keeps getting better it tastes better on [TS]

01:26:27   day three transaction is a reduction [TS]

01:26:32   I [TS]

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