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0:00:19hello a John hi Merlin has it going good

0:00:25so good I'm so grateful to you for

0:00:28sometimes being willing to push all I

0:00:31can push you push and and sometimes you

0:00:34know there's a part of me that says

0:00:36don't don't stay on target

0:00:39mhm stay on target I just want to bring

0:00:42out the best in you

0:00:43yeah but pushing sometimes helps yeah i

0:00:47was on my way in today and you know of

0:00:49course i only have an AM radio in my

0:00:51truck and so I'm listening to the radio

0:00:56station kxi which was my dad's radio

0:01:00station they used to play like a steady

0:01:02diet of just the once we got your Frank

0:01:04Sinatra music yeah just the big bands

0:01:06just the blue hair the blue hairs but

0:01:09all those people are dead now

0:01:11yeah and so the radio station still

0:01:14exists and I've seen this before with

0:01:18radio radio station sort of play

0:01:21what do they call it the the demographic

0:01:27rotation

0:01:28mmm yeah radio station called demo well

0:01:32but I'm talking about like the music

0:01:34that they play on a radio station is

0:01:36called the programming programming and

0:01:40the programming has switched i'm driving

0:01:42in and the djs talking to me and he says

0:01:44he says you know there are a lot of

0:01:46differences between men and women did

0:01:49you know men are more likely to be

0:01:51colorblind huh

0:01:54this is john tesh for kxi radio and the

0:01:58DJ is John Tesh what

0:02:01yeah I was like a day like a franchise

0:02:04kinda do know he's these give he's

0:02:06giving the call signs for pre-k ixi and

0:02:11that's why I listen to him for a while

0:02:13and he's like Barry Manilow is the music

0:02:16of our generation

0:02:18it's just I was like what generation is

0:02:21he talking about

0:02:22right right like this was the radio

0:02:24station of the of the greatest

0:02:25generation who are all gone and so now

0:02:28it's been it's been replaced

0:02:30they've likes these people have kind of

0:02:32stepped in and taken over and they're

0:02:35not i don't think the baby boomers would

0:02:38characterize Barry Manilow as the music

0:02:40of their generation

0:02:42no I don't think they would I don't

0:02:43think they even if they like Barry

0:02:45Manilow I don't think that's the example

0:02:47they were probably right so so who is he

0:02:50talking to

0:02:51I don't know the radio seems i guess

0:02:53it's always been a strange thing but it

0:02:55really it seems so odd now listen mostly

0:02:58to public radio or on the radio and

0:03:01sometimes will flip over and I first of

0:03:05all just the commercials are so

0:03:06depressing

0:03:07that's it did you get that on your ka ax

0:03:11I question the commercials are going to

0:03:13be very depressing on kxi because

0:03:16they're mostly for like ensure the like

0:03:23vitamin enriched oh yeah sure why I feel

0:03:27like I hear a lot of like financial

0:03:29desperation and oh right that's it

0:03:32that's it that's a pretty big one losing

0:03:34your home

0:03:35uhm yeah there's all payday loans and

0:03:38stuff like that but that's and that's

0:03:39you know typical daytime fair but it's

0:03:41strange I mean I too amazing to think

0:03:44how much that industry must have changed

0:03:45but we've got a station here that I like

0:03:47a lot i like a lot

0:03:50it's very funny and for some reason it

0:03:51did the entire concept of the station to

0:03:53light the lights me you know i got quite

0:03:55tower here you have a station called

0:03:57Khao IIT 98.5 kiddo I t an FM station

0:04:04whose primary arm claim to fame is it

0:04:08claims to be the station that everybody

0:04:09can listen to it work

0:04:11oh right because it never says anything

0:04:13your place anything sketchy

0:04:15yeah it's all it's all its it's

0:04:17basically and it's funny is if you're in

0:04:19an elevator or a waiting room or

0:04:21anywhere where there is a radio playing

0:04:23its probably koma relaxing

0:04:26yeah I feel like k KX I is the used to

0:04:29be that for sure you know they would

0:04:32maybe they play the lady is a tramp

0:04:34which would be no singed some eyebrows

0:04:38selassie but uh but now this this this

0:04:42change in programming to reflect the

0:04:44musical tastes of a generation I can't

0:04:46quite put my finger on

0:04:48they do play the lady is a tramp but

0:04:52it's some later version of us

0:04:54oh where it's like hate California it's

0:04:59cold and it's damn that is it mr.

0:05:04Sinatra well no it's a mean that it's an

0:05:07imitation of him but it's like the

0:05:10instrumentation is a little bit more

0:05:12little bit more good Vegas see tubular

0:05:17bells II and and ended some I don't know

0:05:21I can't

0:05:22it's like is there actually a generation

0:05:24in between i know there is a generation

0:05:26in between the am between the the world

0:05:30war two generation and the baby boomer

0:05:32generation better that that think of

0:05:33themselves as a kind of lost or silent

0:05:36generation but are they big enough to to

0:05:39justify a radio station

0:05:41yeah when you have to imagine that all

0:05:43the decision-making that goes into that

0:05:44is extremely market-driven and it's been

0:05:47particular i mean i don't mean I'm just

0:05:50cynical but I i would have to guess that

0:05:53the greatest boon for any radio station

0:05:55is to very clearly be able to identify

0:05:59who's listening and I'll say one thing

0:06:02you know one thing that makes that hard

0:06:04today is when they do things like

0:06:05surveys first of all people love surveys

0:06:08not only talking about your soul sunday

0:06:10are so it serves you right excuse to

0:06:14like it so now it's the thing we can

0:06:15measure you know but also you know

0:06:18they're the ones who have home telephone

0:06:20lines so when you call they pick up the

0:06:22phone and we'll answer

0:06:23mhm these kids today they don't do that

0:06:26you can't call them on their on their

0:06:29selfie sticks and I just Instagram on

0:06:31her selfie stick

0:06:32sender I'm sorry meeting a little bit of

0:06:35frozen bacon

0:06:36how is it well I didn't realize that it

0:06:38was going to create such a saucy of

0:06:41sound I have these up ten ships

0:06:46we don't usually eat on the program know

0:06:49your dirty dirty brand potato chips

0:06:51there that's the brand 30 brand dirty

0:06:55with me

0:06:55missing quotes more momentum dirty

0:06:59I don't know they're pretty bland I

0:07:01gotta get this thing Lady and the Tramp

0:07:03em or do you just not equal that you

0:07:06think that really makes her a tramp just

0:07:07because she what is she she eats early

0:07:11yeah she goes two ballgames the

0:07:13bleachers are fine

0:07:14yeah you won't go to Harlem in our minds

0:07:18and first right

0:07:20right Carl's yeah i don't know i think

0:07:22it down set that's you know what that's

0:07:24an early example of someone really

0:07:28purposing a slur

0:07:32oh you like a queer thing that's an

0:07:35early example of somebody saying you're

0:07:36gonna call me a tramp i'll show you one

0:07:39of the trap is that's this is why I'm a

0:07:40tramp because i'm going down to struggle

0:07:43who think once we get that one version

0:07:46your losses weird at their seams don't

0:07:51know this is a trend or a mini trend but

0:07:53if you seen where some popular pop

0:07:57artists re-recording their songs so I'm

0:08:02going so they're out of their

0:08:03contractual obligation

0:08:05maybe I think even more to the point

0:08:07though and the one thing in particular

0:08:09can i think i actually get by this jeff

0:08:12lynne like meticulously recorded a ton

0:08:16of elo songs really

0:08:18mhm and I think I think it's so that he

0:08:21gets the rights to those songs for those

0:08:24kinds of production things like you know

0:08:26he probably his catalogue was probably

0:08:28owned by whatever epic or whatever a

0:08:31long time ago

0:08:32yeah well it said that's absolutely why

0:08:33they re-recorded and then and then you

0:08:38own the whole you on the recording you

0:08:40know every recording has the ownership

0:08:42of every recording has two sides

0:08:44I you know what you've explained this to

0:08:46me lots of people have explained to me i

0:08:48still find incredibly badly only knows

0:08:50the people who write the music and then

0:08:51on the publishing other ones to make the

0:08:52money that's all I know

0:08:53yeah right but this they they split up

0:08:55into two hundred percent

0:08:57and-and-and-and literally when you talk

0:09:00about it seems sustainable good time

0:09:02music music publishing you're talking

0:09:04about two hundred percent there's a

0:09:05hundred percent of the recording and

0:09:08there's a hundred percent of the writing

0:09:10and uh and you can own the you can own

0:09:16the recording and the writer owns the

0:09:20song but if the only recording is the

0:09:23it's the only way the song exists in the

0:09:26recording

0:09:27oh so that's why something from the new

0:09:31world record or whatever could be owned

0:09:34by owns the epic but I forget whatever

0:09:35it is label was owns the actual

0:09:36recording that make it used in a

0:09:38commercial right

0:09:39the master i get it and so that's

0:09:42usually means the producer or the music

0:09:44company announced it

0:09:45well that's the that's the thing it's

0:09:47whoever whoever gives you the money to

0:09:51record it traditionally or the man ran

0:09:56this race or whoever like you know

0:09:58shouldered his way in there and said

0:10:00listen kid if you want to make it in

0:10:01this business you're gonna give me some

0:10:03percentage of your animated a lot of

0:10:05that was a lot of those people like

0:10:06actually shoulder their way and so

0:10:08you're gonna give me a percentage of the

0:10:09songwriting oh yeah but but definitely

0:10:13if the if the label paid for you to go

0:10:15into the studio then they traditionally

0:10:17consider themselves on the master okay

0:10:20squeezed it squeeze a like you know

0:10:25again it's it's part of the sound of 27

0:10:28yeah it'sit's almost in completely

0:10:30identical wow yeah I mean that would be

0:10:34a fun exercise because he's pretty

0:10:36joyless to me but just I mean I from a

0:10:39recording standpoint like they're you

0:10:41know that i was saying about this the

0:10:42other day I was talking to our friend

0:10:44joko and recalling that the first real

0:10:47professional nerds that I knew were were

0:10:50audio nerds and it was before there was

0:10:54a kind of nerd but they it was before

0:10:56nerd was a was a revolution in our minds

0:10:59but like audio nerds are just another

0:11:01form of nerd

0:11:02and are just exactly they they are just

0:11:06personality wise and in every other

0:11:08respect very similar to computer nerds

0:11:10and firm an audio nerd standpoint to sit

0:11:14there and try and match exactly the

0:11:17sound of a classic album

0:11:19oh my god they just be spewing all over

0:11:22themselves

0:11:23yeah like that guy from that one band

0:11:25that work with Brian Wilson on smile

0:11:29maybe they did a reconstruction smiles

0:11:30that one guy from that pop and his name

0:11:32is forget but he worked very closely

0:11:33with the the brian wilson people to come

0:11:36up with two 'totally recorded version of

0:11:39smile as it could've been Wow

0:11:42yeah right that that's that does seem

0:11:44like that seems like a very fascinating

0:11:46thing that's a real murder but the thing

0:11:48is what you know the combination of

0:11:50being thinking like almost like a John

0:11:52Brian Anderson me like somebody who

0:11:54really loves the songs but all enemy

0:11:56knows every or like yeah like God like

0:11:58Jim on the on the cruise this kind of

0:12:00people who have an ear for like every

0:12:02little nook and cranny of a song but

0:12:04also then the challenge of trying to

0:12:07make it sound like it was recorded 40

0:12:08years ago must be really enticing it's

0:12:11it's it's incredible and just in the

0:12:14sense of like the the audio chain of

0:12:18which microphone which preamp which

0:12:25compressor which amplifier would Howard

0:12:28all those things set and every single

0:12:30one of those things if it varies even

0:12:33slightly changes the tone and so to go

0:12:36back and eat first of all you have to do

0:12:38the research what Mike's were they using

0:12:41you know and then go get those mics at

0:12:45any at any expense like already it's

0:12:47exciting and then put those things in a

0:12:50room and the room is going to change the

0:12:52sound so you have to go back to the

0:12:53original studio

0:12:55I mean oh I'm i can't have and I'm

0:12:58turgid with excitement really that would

0:13:02appeal to you in just because you would

0:13:05do all that you would do everything

0:13:06right and then you would a be the guitar

0:13:09sound right to left and it wouldn't

0:13:11sound the same

0:13:12yeah and then you just be like more and

0:13:14at that point i would at that point i

0:13:16would have nothing more to offer right i

0:13:18would have been excited about finding

0:13:19the mics in the room and the guitars and

0:13:21yeah but then comes the drudgery and

0:13:23performances I mean most people's voices

0:13:25sound pretty different after 10 or 15

0:13:27years

0:13:27yeah well it's 30 years but but again I

0:13:30would be engaged in that after the after

0:13:32the engineers had gone through and set

0:13:34said are you gonna have to notch 4k

0:13:36about to you know bebes no wait a minute

0:13:40wait let's what let's bring that back

0:13:42when you know laughter they did all that

0:13:43and got the tones then to go back in and

0:13:46sit and try and duplicate your vocal

0:13:48performance from from 30 years are

0:13:52linked two lifetimes and that would be

0:13:53that would be also very fun you know who

0:13:56but that but his this is the thing

0:13:59what this is is an example another

0:14:02example I mean I i agree with our I

0:14:05understand the the impulse to we record

0:14:07that stuff and take the money back from

0:14:10the from the man it's a very it's very

0:14:12pretty cool especially especially today

0:14:14my gosh yeah every Prince like thing to

0:14:16do

0:14:17mhm but it's also another example of a

0:14:21thing where you are still musician

0:14:23you're in middle age or late middle age

0:14:26and you want to do you want to find

0:14:29anything other than to write ten good

0:14:34new songs you want to find anything to

0:14:37do any kind of busy worker like just as

0:14:41a purely artistic distraction yeah

0:14:42you're just like you're moving deck

0:14:44chairs around you are stacking andrey

0:14:47stacking three-by-five cards of and you

0:14:50and it's just like I know you know this

0:14:52is why all these bands to an album of

0:14:54covers over but if you could go and say

0:14:57like you know what we really need to do

0:14:59let's stop work on this new record

0:15:00that's really be doubling US and go back

0:15:03and reread meticulously recorded our old

0:15:05records just to complete a complete like

0:15:10busywork

0:15:11well you know I don't have the numbers

0:15:13in front of me but just anecdotally

0:15:14today it seems like there's so much

0:15:19I guess that I guess the stuff that you

0:15:21know you can sell this stuff that sold

0:15:23in the past right so you do the

0:15:24remastering do the box that I mean it's

0:15:27but that's not even that new of a thing

0:15:29I mean in the nineties it was all about

0:15:31the box sets where you got to get all

0:15:33the stuff that you already have a vinyl

0:15:34that you know and in CD so to make that

0:15:36enticing like for example like the Beach

0:15:38Boys Pet Sounds box is actually really

0:15:41good box because there's tons of of

0:15:43great you know extra vocals and isolated

0:15:45tracks and I i love that now that was a

0:15:47great christmas present in 1995 or

0:15:49whatever but I'm but funny yellow in

0:15:51particular I in my years of like you

0:15:55know spending so many hours in record

0:15:57stores like going through the entire the

0:15:59entire store looking at every album make

0:16:02I knew the names you know of

0:16:04even I never heard them I knew which

0:16:06bands do which albums I can't tell which

0:16:07ones are popular but even then yellow in

0:16:09like the late seventies early eighties

0:16:11mid-eighties especially there were so

0:16:13many yellow compilations even then I

0:16:16mean they hadn't had like I don't think

0:16:17monster hit since probably 1982 yeah

0:16:20everybody was the last big hold on tight

0:16:22song maybe like I don't think they had

0:16:23that many new songs that was 31 30 years

0:16:26ago

0:16:26yeah it's not amazing well but you know

0:16:30those box sets with all the extra bonus

0:16:33tracks and the 25 different versions of

0:16:35tax man and so forth I mean those things

0:16:37are great they're great for for the

0:16:41beatles that's that's pretty I mean that

0:16:43and he actually hear how different and

0:16:45your bird can sing could sound is pretty

0:16:47fascinating of the really amazing song

0:16:49you've heard hundred times it's totally

0:16:51amazing except that in the itunes era

0:16:54what that we live in now basically i

0:16:59find i find that you know that in the CD

0:17:03era where you put that are be like oh my

0:17:05god listen to this

0:17:07I'm it it made sense to me but if you

0:17:11just rip all that stuff like into itunes

0:17:14with no distinction right then you're in

0:17:18it in that posture where you're here you

0:17:21like you're making dinner and you turn

0:17:24on your music and you here in the course

0:17:26of an hour for versions of annular can

0:17:28sing all of them slightly different or

0:17:31you put your headphones on and you're

0:17:32like I'm Melissa this is really working

0:17:33mix it's not at the shuffling it's bad

0:17:36for mixing right and I and I'm sure that

0:17:39that itunes masters who manage their

0:17:43playlists don't have this problem

0:17:46because they just manage it but it's

0:17:48hard though I another level of

0:17:49management United I know your attacker

0:17:51and I've been a tagger I will you know

0:17:53look at the databases that are out there

0:17:55for the best possible version but you

0:17:57know again just not not how people

0:17:58listen to music look at the website

0:18:00right now that I feel like you should

0:18:01know about if you don't know about

0:18:02already

0:18:03it's called albums that never were you

0:18:06ever seen this road well I've never seen

0:18:09albums that never work got dark

0:18:11blogspot.com by checking on its this guy

0:18:15is primarily this one guy although he

0:18:17does put up other people's happens and

0:18:19it's given the available material the

0:18:22best like reconstruction possible of

0:18:25certain classic albums that never

0:18:26existed like a lonely years of the who

0:18:30with who is for tennis which are the

0:18:341968 album and it's got stuff like

0:18:36fortune-teller it's got magic bus it's

0:18:39got home but basically like what if an

0:18:40album you know there's no those classic

0:18:43albums that like smile right within

0:18:45other ones like a really good one that

0:18:47got is the weezer record that they

0:18:51wanted to do that kind of what what

0:18:53became Pinkerton but was named rivers

0:18:57cuomo that his name is gonna pop is that

0:18:59his name

0:19:00you have his picture in your wallet or

0:19:02something called the river phoenix I get

0:19:03confused that it was that was before I

0:19:06think this before i went to Harvard and

0:19:08but anyway you should check this out

0:19:09it's a lot of 60 stuff

0:19:11well first let me point out let me point

0:19:13out i don't know but of course of course

0:19:17this website is being maintained by an

0:19:19Italian

0:19:19because that is the most Italian thing

0:19:22in the world has is to is to have not

0:19:27you know that when you go to Europe and

0:19:28you go to an italian record store and

0:19:30there are pretty much I mean if you go

0:19:33to if you look in the Nirvana section in

0:19:35an Italian record store there will be

0:19:37four hundred records like the length and

0:19:39they're all bootlegs or you know or like

0:19:43double triple bootlegs right i mean

0:19:45somehow the the record collector

0:19:48mentality in Italy really is is a bit is

0:19:53obsessive in a different way and they

0:19:55and and they will commercially because

0:19:58the copyright laws somehow are different

0:20:00or at least used to be different though

0:20:01commercially publish all this stuff

0:20:03where you know somebody else till

0:20:05Christmas villages Walkman who off of a

0:20:10table in a cafe and then they'll publish

0:20:12that as a Nirvana what you know the

0:20:13published the tape that's going to get

0:20:15away with it and they get away with it

0:20:16right so there's all this fascinating

0:20:18stuff in record stores in Italy but this

0:20:21guy i'm pretty sure is Italian

0:20:23his name is sonic love knowing sonic

0:20:26love noise but with the Z instead of him

0:20:29and all of his writing is without

0:20:32capitalization it's all like no capitals

0:20:35here's one vendor vana called sheep

0:20:37reconstruction of the unreleased 1997

0:20:40album sheep essentially the precursor to

0:20:42what would eventually be nevermind

0:20:44well you know I actually had that

0:20:47cassette

0:20:48Wow there was a girl named Lily who I

0:20:55dated for a little while in about

0:20:581990-91 she has she had

0:21:04short red hair very short like pixie cut

0:21:07out here and sort of um what kind of red

0:21:10it's that that light light red hair like

0:21:14strawberry blonde strawberry blonde

0:21:15that's what I'm trying

0:21:16hmm and she had a tattoo of a lily on

0:21:20her shoulder which I complimented her on

0:21:24I when we first met I said oh nice

0:21:28lily and your name is Lily and she

0:21:30turned we didn't know each other at this

0:21:31point she turns she was like it's the

0:21:33stupidest tattoo ever I totally regret

0:21:36it I was an idiot i was like 'oh little

0:21:38bit honest i'm going to talk to you a

0:21:40little bit more

0:21:41Lily worked at a bookstore that was

0:21:44owned by a guy who was a pervert was one

0:21:47of those bookstores was full of cats and

0:21:49all the employees were 20 year old girls

0:21:52and he was like a kind of look like Van

0:21:54Morrison and I I don't really know this

0:21:59guy

0:22:00Yeah right right he's a tight yeah and

0:22:02the bookstore kind of smells like cat

0:22:03pee and it and everywhere he's dander

0:22:05covered and but he's always but all of

0:22:08his employees are are like sophomores in

0:22:11college and he was always trying to get

0:22:14Lily slowly was a was like a combat

0:22:17boots and baby doll dress early nineties

0:22:20person prefers and he would he would

0:22:23come to and he'd say like I know the

0:22:25people you know like he was connected

0:22:27somehow to left bank books in Paris or

0:22:31whatever the you know the Shakespeare

0:22:34and company he was connected to those

0:22:35people and he was like let's just get

0:22:39out of here let's just you know I've got

0:22:41I've got $80,000 in a shoebox you and me

0:22:45let's just go to Paris and Lily was like

0:22:49you're a creep

0:22:51and so he was be would ply her with

0:22:53gifts and one day she climbed in the

0:22:58window of my apartment she was like

0:23:00you've got to hear this and it was it

0:23:03was a cassette of all the demos for

0:23:07nevermind which I assume was this thing

0:23:10you're that this guy's talking about the

0:23:12whatever the third their smile right

0:23:15smile smile

0:23:16well completely different versions of

0:23:18every tune and this bookstore guy had

0:23:22acquired this amount given it to Lily as

0:23:24a enticement for her to run away to

0:23:26Paris with him and she brought it over

0:23:28to my house and we SAT and listened to

0:23:30this cassette over and over and never

0:23:32mind had only been out you know a few

0:23:35months at this point and it was there

0:23:37was a total revelation to hear those

0:23:39tracks done differently and at the time

0:23:42this cassette seemed like one of what

0:23:44would only have been 20 of these things

0:23:47that were in existence

0:23:48you know like it like it should be worth

0:23:50of a million dollars and I in them in

0:23:57the ethics that were in operation at the

0:24:00time I considered stealing it from my

0:24:03girlfriend

0:24:04oh that good is that it was that

0:24:07important if L it less good it felt it

0:24:09felt that important and then and then I

0:24:14didn't I didn't steal it from her i

0:24:16regret to this day lily ended up moving

0:24:19to Marrakech where she got somehow

0:24:25walked up

0:24:27um just you know like I don't know how

0:24:33she got to America's and and I don't

0:24:35know how she I mean because she didn't

0:24:37have any money and she didn't have any

0:24:42back she have any friends but somehow

0:24:48she got to Marrakech and walked up to

0:24:50the front door of Paul Bowles his house

0:24:53bubbles at that time was probably

0:24:56already 75 or 80

0:24:59and knocked on the door and started

0:25:01working as his assistant

0:25:03I I know that name that remind me who

0:25:05that is you wrote the sheltering sky

0:25:07oh wow and she showed up just showed up

0:25:10and and he he's my favorite of the beat

0:25:14writers is the only beat writer i can

0:25:16stand and his his writing he did a thing

0:25:20where he he translated well he had a

0:25:24translator but he wrote a series of like

0:25:26Moroccan folk stories he he brought this

0:25:32Moroccan use young moroccan guy named

0:25:35mohammed mohabbat who wrote some amazing

0:25:38books bubbles short stories are the best

0:25:41of all of the beats by the head and

0:25:44shoulders and here's a guy really

0:25:45admired and I I get a letter in the like

0:25:50you know paper letter from Lily and

0:25:52she's like my work for Paul's now i'm in

0:25:54America should come

0:25:56no I regret not going but very shortly

0:26:00after I believe that she was arrested

0:26:02for smuggling heroin into Europe inside

0:26:06of her vagina

0:26:07oh no oh that's an awkward call your

0:26:10parents

0:26:11yeah really who I don't think your

0:26:13parents were still around

0:26:14I think her parents had like maybe

0:26:16driven volkswagen bus off of the top of

0:26:19the the highway 1 in their nests

0:26:25how do you think it's keep it in there

0:26:27is it just to get through security or do

0:26:29you have to like feel like the whole

0:26:30flight

0:26:31Oh for the whole flight for sure i don't

0:26:34think i don't think you take it out and

0:26:35likes putting on your you're folding

0:26:37table and wait until you're about to

0:26:39land and go put it back in

0:26:41I think but i'm pretty sure she took a

0:26:46boat and the you know the boat ride is

0:26:49yeah it's it's as long as the flight who

0:26:51have to go really work your kegels who

0:26:55like this this girl's got some she got

0:26:57some character i fell out of touch with

0:26:59their i-i-i the last time we saw each

0:27:02other I had quit doing drugs and so

0:27:06we had that awkward awkward weekend

0:27:09where it's like well let's let's get

0:27:11high

0:27:12well I don't get high anymore oh alright

0:27:15well um yeah that's a lot of change to

0:27:19have been a jacket that's all we used to

0:27:21do I know but I don't do it anymore

0:27:23we're still two people were still to

0:27:24humans in the world we know each other

0:27:26let's see what's on TV so but I mean how

0:27:30are we going to have sex if we're not

0:27:31high i know right wouldn't that be weird

0:27:33we should try even so that's common

0:27:39problem

0:27:40yeah yeah Paul Bowles though Paul bales

0:27:45I don't like the beats but i do like him

0:27:47and yes is his wife also very amazing

0:27:51writer

0:27:52man i can't imagine doing what she did

0:27:54that's so gutsy you haven't you young

0:27:57you don't give a fuck you know you know

0:27:59you think it's all you think it's all

0:28:01adventure and and it is and it keeps

0:28:05working over and over right here it's

0:28:06like all adventure i'm i'm a

0:28:09motherfucking drug smuggler now man and

0:28:13you know I never I never sold drugs and

0:28:18and and because i was because I had that

0:28:20because i had that thing that's kind of

0:28:22haunted me or that that chainmail shirt

0:28:25that I wore my entire life where I had

0:28:27some core ethical lines that i wouldn't

0:28:33go across like it

0:28:35the idea of selling drugs to make a

0:28:38living was disgusting to me even when I

0:28:41was the most disgusting because I just

0:28:44couldn't ever picture myself as a drug

0:28:46dealer over because just the words drug

0:28:49dealer like from the from the youngest

0:28:51age right and that was just a thing I

0:28:53was never going to be in net the

0:28:54excitement of it the the

0:28:57it sounds like being a child molester is

0:28:59it's not that kind of a a mark on it

0:29:02yeah and some people rush into drug

0:29:04dealing as fast as they can write it's

0:29:07just like oh I can get high and make

0:29:09money duh and it and it's simple and

0:29:14they don't they don't think of it it

0:29:17with it they don't they don't put a halo

0:29:18a moral halo around it at all it's just

0:29:21like right well this guy had extra drugs

0:29:24and so I bought them from him and now

0:29:26i'm selling them to you

0:29:28what could be simpler if we're all doing

0:29:30drugs why would you take a moral stance

0:29:32on me selling them to you

0:29:33um and there were many many many

0:29:37opportunities for me to get into that

0:29:38racket but I just was like no way mind

0:29:42you're looking like you never give me

0:29:43like a courier mule type work one time I

0:29:50set off from Spokane Washington to

0:29:53washington DC via so I so I popped

0:29:59afraid and Spokane took the freight

0:30:02train to missoula stuck my thumb

0:30:05hitchhiked to what fort collins colorado

0:30:10you know one of these trips across

0:30:12America is like and then I got on a

0:30:15donkey and I wrote across the Ben the

0:30:17night a guy came along with a long

0:30:19skateboard and we both got on it but

0:30:22what I left spokane this guy I knew

0:30:24whose name was Jesus what the fuck was

0:30:28that guy's name not Treebeard but tree

0:30:37something to treat reman now fuck what

0:30:41was his name is really tall guy

0:30:43this is a mythic character know he was a

0:30:45real real person spoken sort of

0:30:48legendary spokane hippie I like a local

0:30:51character a local character and a super

0:30:53nice guy and and a little bit older than

0:30:56us and his name was like trade tree funk

0:31:01but really it's embarrassing to be I

0:31:03don't remember his name but he was

0:31:05trimming some pot was trimming a recent

0:31:10harvest and he had five pounds of shake

0:31:15it and as well accept it was good it was

0:31:19a good it was good bud

0:31:20so it was a it was a it was five pounds

0:31:23of good shake it wasn't like ditch weed

0:31:25right but it was still shake it was

0:31:27leaves and you know in the little

0:31:31nubbins and all the stuff that the the

0:31:33detritus right we had this you know we

0:31:37had five pounds of this stuff and he

0:31:40liked me and so he gave it to me and I

0:31:46didn't have any money five pounds of pot

0:31:48yeah yeah so much pot John well because

0:31:51he was interested in the buds which were

0:31:54valuable and good and the shame looks

0:31:59like from that's we did not get a lot of

0:32:00the buds we will get a lot of the of the

0:32:03shake as you say this was the era this

0:32:05was the transition area between when

0:32:07most of the pot you got was shake in the

0:32:09United States to the concurrent era

0:32:12where most of the pot you get his butt

0:32:14and what's funny is in 1986 there were

0:32:18whole you know the majority of the

0:32:21United States of America you couldn't

0:32:23get good pot no matter how much money

0:32:24you had right and so there were there

0:32:28were places and the northwest was was

0:32:30one of those places Northern California

0:32:32Oregon Washington Alaska had great pot

0:32:36fantastic pot and what what I would

0:32:38travel across the country like and meet

0:32:40stoners they would be like you're from

0:32:42the northwest oh man you have you ever

0:32:45smoked rub the buddha and I'd be like

0:32:46have I ever and then you'd be you'd be

0:32:49down in Arizona or something you'd be

0:32:51smoking this stuff that just was like

0:32:53come on you guys seriously smoke this

0:32:56heat like you even bother so I had this

0:33:00should i had this giant quantity of

0:33:02shake that was way better pot then you

0:33:06could you could find in most of the

0:33:09Seekers little bit of pot arbitrage

0:33:12right get somewhere where the market can

0:33:14bear it and frankly frankly like I liked

0:33:17you know yeah i'm one of those people

0:33:20that that is gonna smoke if you got it

0:33:22i'm gonna smoke it and so really

0:33:24heavy-duty weed i would just get super

0:33:27baked and wouldn't be able to function

0:33:29I don't know how people do it i really

0:33:31liked was when I was one of those guys

0:33:32that were just like oh wow you've got

0:33:34like this not entertaining you're just

0:33:36you're just in a corner you're in a

0:33:38corner you're paranoid and your

0:33:39bloodline is leaping from false idea to

0:33:43false idea and you're just like I'm so

0:33:45bad right now

0:33:46fuck and and I was you know I was a i

0:33:49was traveling some in most instances i

0:33:51was the stranger right i would come in

0:33:54to come into a situation and I was like

0:33:56the one guy I walk into a party I'm the

0:33:59one guy nobody knows and I had this weed

0:34:03that was really good by their standards

0:34:06but actually pretty mellow by myself and

0:34:09nutty showy yeah that's right it's not

0:34:11like I've gotta you know I stole this

0:34:13bud from the US government right it's

0:34:16like you know I got this really kind but

0:34:18and it's very nice to roll into joints

0:34:21and then you pass some joints around a

0:34:23party like like you don't give a fuck

0:34:26like here I just I'm just sitting here

0:34:29rolling joints some passing them around

0:34:30how do you like that and everybody's

0:34:32like this part is so great it's so chill

0:34:34and so I was so i use that pot as a to

0:34:39be a hero for a long time because it was

0:34:44a lot of weed and at one point

0:34:47some guy came up to me in Durango

0:34:49Colorado and he was like I've got 10

0:34:52capsules

0:34:55of MDMA

0:34:59will you trade me these 10 capsules of

0:35:02MDMA for some you know handsome bag of

0:35:05pot and this was one MDMA was three

0:35:09bucks of capsule or something before i

0:35:12think it was like right on the cusp when

0:35:14they made it illegal so the only six ish

0:35:16and so I was like yeah right i mean this

0:35:20this started to feel like like going

0:35:23places now right moving on up in the

0:35:26women in the world and so I got these i

0:35:29got this MDMA and I gave him some weed

0:35:31and then I had two kinds of drugs that

0:35:34belong to me that people wanted but you

0:35:37know you can't just walk into a party

0:35:39and start handing out MDMA also i didn't

0:35:42i didn't have enough to give to

0:35:44everybody so long long story short i did

0:35:48not i never sold any drugs but I did

0:35:51start to feel like I was wheeling and

0:35:53dealing in a room and I burned through

0:35:58the through the ecstasy pretty fast and

0:36:01then I was just back to be in the sky

0:36:02that was like slapping around kind of a

0:36:04Santa Claus bag

0:36:06Oh was it broken down into separate bags

0:36:11or was it like just like a bag is it was

0:36:14so I did have found is a lot of pounds

0:36:17John yeah i did have I had I have those

0:36:19big freezer bags how God you must demo

0:36:22that can make you a target

0:36:24well yeah but you know that this is the

0:36:27thing about me when I was young I was so

0:36:30naive about about the world the great

0:36:36grand I i keep attributing this to

0:36:38Alaska that somehow growing up there you

0:36:42are your worldly in one sense that you

0:36:46can't help but see a lot up there and be

0:36:49exposed to a lot of different people and

0:36:52a lot of different kinds of danger but

0:36:54it's also it was so isolated in it and

0:36:57felt like it was 20 years behind the

0:36:59rest of the country

0:37:00and so there's this kind of like opean

0:37:02Mayberry thing to and so I was

0:37:07constantly getting in situations when I

0:37:10was in my early twenties late teens that

0:37:13I look back on and go oh my god i am so

0:37:16why didn't somebody just hit you over

0:37:18the head and take all your stuff and

0:37:21rape you and throw you in a river who

0:37:23and this is like in this is around the

0:37:27time that you're hanging out with the

0:37:29grateful dead people

0:37:30yeah that in there eight somewhere in

0:37:32here as well and that they are less

0:37:34likely to murder you but like elbows to

0:37:37like just just living a living outside

0:37:40the town also like what happened to you

0:37:42you know what all your stuff got stolen

0:37:43right and France at in France so in so

0:37:47what happened was the gradual education

0:37:49that I received in how in the in the

0:37:52dark side of the of the world where I

0:37:55did start to get hit over the head and I

0:37:57did start to get robbed and it happened

0:37:59you know when you look back at it and in

0:38:01a kind of graceful gracefully

0:38:03incremental way so so that my first

0:38:07experience was not that I was knifed in

0:38:09a park by a couple of guys i mean i was

0:38:12at one point I was riding a motorcycle

0:38:14across the country and i was sleeping in

0:38:17parks and i was asleep on a picnic table

0:38:20with my motorcycle parked next to the

0:38:22picnic table

0:38:23Wow an image and I woke up and and the

0:38:25motorcycle is loaded with like I had my

0:38:28head all my stuff in a in a in an old

0:38:32but what are the big big bags that you

0:38:37get in the Army the Navy and a duffel

0:38:40bag at all my stuff in a duffel bag

0:38:42bungee cord to the back of this

0:38:44motorcycle and I just pulled up into a

0:38:47park parties and look at me like a

0:38:49pinata

0:38:50right and my own the only i mean i was

0:38:55lucky that I didn't I didn't have

0:38:56anything that was anything in the duffel

0:38:58bag the dirty clothes but I did have a

0:39:00fucking motorcycle at this for this

0:39:04brief period and i'm parked next to this

0:39:06uh sort of it I the reason I chose this

0:39:09picnic table was it and it was covered

0:39:12and up and I and it was raining so I

0:39:15pulled the motorcycle under the the the

0:39:18little roof and got out and roll my

0:39:22sleeping bag out on top of the picnic

0:39:24table and went to sleep when I wake up

0:39:25in the middle of the night and there are

0:39:26two guys standing over me and one on

0:39:28either side of me God and they're asking

0:39:31me questions in Spanish and I wake up

0:39:34and kind of setup in my sleeping bag and

0:39:37I'd never been robbed at this point and

0:39:41they're they're talking to me and I mean

0:39:43I kind of woke up and they were already

0:39:45in mid-conversation let me so I didn't

0:39:49know where the conversation started and

0:39:52I you know only spoke a little bit of

0:39:55spanish and they're asking me questions

0:39:57really calmly and it's the middle of the

0:40:01night and I'm and I realized that this

0:40:04moment that in choosing this park on the

0:40:07edge of town

0:40:07I chose a place where i was you know

0:40:09where i could shoot a flare gun off and

0:40:11nobody nice elated

0:40:13yeah and they just kind of stand there

0:40:16with their hands in their pockets and we

0:40:18have a conversation 45 minutes during

0:40:22which time I'm saying like not really

0:40:24sure with what you need and I'm not

0:40:26really sure what you want and and I hope

0:40:28you're having a really nice night and

0:40:31you know I I knew there was a

0:40:34dangerous situation but I didn't know

0:40:36what to do

0:40:37like I i had already made all the

0:40:39decisions that that preclude me from

0:40:42doing anything and for whatever reason

0:40:45these guys just sort of looked at each

0:40:47other and sauntered off and maybe they

0:40:50were just being nice

0:40:52I mean maybe who knows that's so weird

0:40:55but but when i look at the time I was

0:40:58like well who good thing I handled that

0:41:00situation laid back down went back to

0:41:03sleep but later on I looked back it was

0:41:06like uh you were they asking me for the

0:41:10keys to my motorcycle I mean if it that

0:41:12was certainly a possibility that

0:41:14somebody would come along and be like

0:41:16there's a motorcycle and there's a kid

0:41:19like let's let's take it up but that

0:41:23never happened and what if that never

0:41:26happened through many many many

0:41:28iterations of back right where I look

0:41:31back now and don't like oh they were

0:41:34trying to kill me with and when it did

0:41:37start to happen when I did start to get

0:41:38ripped off it was always in a way that

0:41:41was like it hurt

0:41:44its tongue but but not you know and not

0:41:49so much that that I said I'm you know

0:41:53I'm going to go join the priesthood or

0:41:54whatever you feel personal when I

0:41:57started getting hurt

0:41:58yeah well I mean look at the the thing

0:42:00is it's um it always does

0:42:02yeah yeah it's anything that involves an

0:42:05incursion into your person I think kinda

0:42:07can't help but feel personal even fits

0:42:09you know and they're like even the guys

0:42:11in France I mean that's something that

0:42:12was all business like something they'd

0:42:13done over and over and over again

0:42:15oh yeah and I and and every time a bit

0:42:18director about the time I was walking

0:42:19across the chain bridge in Budapest

0:42:22have I told you this story no no I don't

0:42:26know this one can walk across the chain

0:42:28bridge which is the you know the like

0:42:30big central bridge and input a budapest

0:42:33or patched depending on one's listening

0:42:36did you get did you get yelled at by

0:42:39that guy from Ukraine my god did the

0:42:42gallon

0:42:43yeah I don't acknowledge that no but

0:42:44buda-pesht you are you feeling like the

0:42:47way i like the way he broke down his

0:42:49various grievances with us by person

0:42:51yeah all of all it was lots of ! you

0:42:55know did you notice that I got heat for

0:42:56stuff you said not of course I hope you

0:42:58do if you are responsible i am i'm the

0:43:01on the editor you are you're the first

0:43:03allowed you to be how you are

0:43:05it may not continue do i and and two

0:43:10guys come around so so the the way when

0:43:12you want to cross the this particular

0:43:14bridge like you get to the stanchions in

0:43:16the middle of the river of which there

0:43:18are two one on either side the big you

0:43:21know the pillars and the and the path

0:43:24the pedestrian path goes around these

0:43:27pillars right so the pedestrian path is

0:43:30not just a continuous sight line of a

0:43:33like a guardrail along the brown I see

0:43:37there's like I got a little on blind a

0:43:41little blonde right and i end the

0:43:43manhattan bridge is like that beautiful

0:43:46bridge the-the yeah yeah it's a

0:43:48beautiful Bridget so it's one of the

0:43:50that's one of the great purchase but I'm

0:43:52on uh I'm on the Buddhist i'm headed to

0:43:56the pesticide and I come around this

0:44:01corner into this little blind on the

0:44:06buda side and there are these two guys

0:44:08about my age and they're fashionable

0:44:12young guys and as I come around the

0:44:16corner one of them kind of looks at me

0:44:17with surprise and delight he goes but I

0:44:22rebel and speaks to me in Hungarian and

0:44:23I'm like oh sorry I'm American he's like

0:44:25Oh American of course you are you are

0:44:30you are a very fashionable guy and I was

0:44:34like really nice top and he's like we

0:44:40are reporters for the local a Hungarian

0:44:44youth newspaper and I'm like uh-huh and

0:44:50he says would you mind if we took your

0:44:52picture for our fashion spread of like

0:44:56street fashion for the local paper and I

0:45:00was like I would not mind I would be you

0:45:05know I would i will take five minutes of

0:45:06my day to help tell people to help you

0:45:09guys and I was wearing a Levi's jacket

0:45:13and some denim and Levi's and some boots

0:45:16and a shirt but I what I did I I did

0:45:22agree with them that I was pretty

0:45:23cool-looking and so I stand there you

0:45:26know kind of look in pretty pretty

0:45:28seasons and they take and they got other

0:45:30guys got a camera the guy that's not

0:45:31doing the talking and he's like you know

0:45:34takes a couple of snaps and the guy goes

0:45:36ok you know like you know turn around

0:45:38like give us a little bit of you know

0:45:39get a little action shows you know let's

0:45:42get shot from the back and I turn around

0:45:43and kinda he's like look over your

0:45:46shoulder and I look over my shoulder

0:45:48Adam real fashion shoot stick out my

0:45:52butt a little bit like hello hello

0:45:55ladies and he's like now like a like

0:45:57like flip the collar of your coat now so

0:46:01we can see that tags so we can see the

0:46:05brand and I'm like I was just Levi's you

0:46:09know and I kind of flipped the tag and

0:46:11i'm gonna show the levis tag like see

0:46:13Levi's it's not it's not that weird i

0:46:18mean i guess i guess it used to be

0:46:21here and hungry more more and and so far

0:46:24everything seems this is all just

0:46:25totally fine you are having a blast

0:46:27yeah all alone out here in the middle of

0:46:29the bridge the three of us and then he

0:46:32says you know shrug the shoulders off of

0:46:35your jacket and kind of pull it down a

0:46:37little bit and show the tag we can't

0:46:39quite see it and I shrug the shoulders

0:46:42off the jacket i'm trying to be helpful

0:46:44guy and I shrug the shoulders down and

0:46:49now i have tied myself a little bit in

0:46:53my own Kotel right i have one yeah I get

0:46:57it sits down this down your arms don't

0:46:59have your arms have restricted movement

0:47:01yeah man I'm I'm gradually gradually

0:47:03incapacitating myself and some things

0:47:08some wind off the river or some little

0:47:11thing in my head

0:47:13maybe I see just like a just like a tiny

0:47:17spark in this guy's eyes something

0:47:20happens but i mean i'm also running a

0:47:22running a script aside script right Mike

0:47:27think this is weird like really the the

0:47:29tags are what you want to see and I

0:47:33suddenly get like a a chill and I flip

0:47:36my jacket back up and turn around and

0:47:38look at this guy

0:47:39I kind of square off and look at him and

0:47:43then all of a sudden it's like one of

0:47:46those vampire movies where the guy's

0:47:48eyes go white and the fangs come out

0:47:50he's like God and the other dude like

0:47:53like the take the jump into a posture

0:47:58where they're they're not getting

0:48:01anymore they are looking for their like

0:48:04they were there were two seconds from

0:48:06grabbing me when I was incapacitated and

0:48:10now I was recap acetate it and they were

0:48:13you know things out like your prey for a

0:48:17total pray but I i had regained my

0:48:20footing and I had I was facing them both

0:48:23and had

0:48:24my legs apart and was like went into a

0:48:27combat posture and we SAT there in

0:48:30history each other my god they were

0:48:32literally hissing at me and you know and

0:48:39honestly most of the most of my feelings

0:48:42were rooted in being kind of

0:48:44disappointed that they had lied to me

0:48:46about being fashionable that would be a

0:48:47nice break for you

0:48:48you know I was like ah but I i did that

0:48:53you know i did that thing where I where

0:48:55we saw we circled each other video house

0:48:57on you now because this is that this is

0:49:00the lucky this is the lucky break like

0:49:02when I want to examine the moments in my

0:49:04life where I where I acknowledge that I

0:49:06have tremendous privilege one of those

0:49:10one of those privileges is that I'm I'm

0:49:12just a big big and I look capable maybe

0:49:17get an incident like that the whole

0:49:19value of being any good at their job

0:49:21would be to quickly you know rob

0:49:24somebody and have it be over with and be

0:49:25gone like the whole idea of this you

0:49:28know Eastern European ballet movement

0:49:29about vampires seems really strange

0:49:31well and so what so their game i think

0:49:35was get a guy turn around get him so he

0:49:40pulls his jacket down around his around

0:49:42his elbows and then whack him from

0:49:47behind and grabbed his wallet and is so

0:49:51while you're undercover to a girl pose

0:49:53I get you know whacky from behind one

0:49:56year yeah when you're like when you're

0:49:57if i had not been looking over my

0:50:00shoulder if I had turned and just show

0:50:02them the tag that they were hoping for

0:50:05yeah they would've whacked me probably

0:50:06with the dummy camera and a all you know

0:50:12all the trying to get your wallet in

0:50:13your passport because because you're an

0:50:16American tourist and you've got a job at

0:50:18steel got 300 euros or something

0:50:21now that they were facing me and it was

0:50:23like going to be actual combat they had

0:50:26a second to third and fourth thought

0:50:28about it and in that amount of time i

0:50:30was able to circle them around until the

0:50:32until the opening presented itself for

0:50:35me to head on up the path and then once

0:50:38i started to move you know it was over

0:50:41and they went the other way and we never

0:50:43saw each other please Louise would have

0:50:45strange incident lots and lots of those

0:50:49in the course of of you know in the over

0:50:52the years they sound like they might

0:50:54have been kind of new to that racket

0:50:55they were trying out some new things

0:50:58tonight we try the trick when he pulls

0:50:59down the jacket yeah maybe maybe they

0:51:01maybe they thought maybe they'd done it

0:51:03once and it worked and then they thought

0:51:04this is our game now I mean they're at

0:51:08no point did somebody you know at no

0:51:12point did they pull out a soviet-era

0:51:13pistol pointed at me right at the book

0:51:16but you know the but some famous

0:51:19gangster once said to me if a guy's got

0:51:22a pistol

0:51:23it's a pretty safe bet he's also got a

0:51:24car and I was like is that true and he

0:51:30was like well the first thing you do

0:51:32with a pistol is get a car to do you

0:51:35understand me and I was like you right

0:51:38course if you had a pistol

0:51:40it's worth more it's worth more to you

0:51:42it is worth more to you as a tool to get

0:51:47a car then it is as a tool to take

0:51:49twenty dollars on from the tourists on

0:51:50icy right like the first thing you do is

0:51:53good but stick it inside some guys faces

0:51:55they give me your car right

0:51:57okay so you got a pistol it's a safe bet

0:52:00you've got a car and if you if if

0:52:02somebody's just standing there with a

0:52:03pistol on the sidewalk taking twenty

0:52:05dollars off of people it's a pretty safe

0:52:07bet that it's not a real pistol or are

0:52:09offered a POW icc i was getting lost in

0:52:12this if you give a mouse a cookie thing

0:52:14ok that makes sense i switched and so

0:52:16maybe not a real pistol ok that makes

0:52:18sense but you know and I've had some

0:52:20pistol pointed at me one in particular

0:52:21on the on the sidewalk and when a pistol

0:52:25pointed at you don't think to yourself

0:52:27you guys got a pistol he's probably got

0:52:28a car

0:52:29you just go right all right well this is

0:52:32this situation maybe he just got the

0:52:34pistol he's on his way to get in your

0:52:36car and he thought he'd stop and rob me

0:52:39yeah i just got through this with my mom

0:52:41was like a big second amendment

0:52:42gun-carrying person and she had all

0:52:45these you know what's your second

0:52:46Amendment person you can come up with

0:52:48all kinds of reasons that you need to

0:52:49have a gun and in her case it was that

0:52:51she was doing depositing stuff at night

0:52:53mean you know the bank back when you go

0:52:56to that big big door and possibly i just

0:52:59always feel like I hate to burst your

0:53:01bubble but like unless you're going to

0:53:03have a gun pulled marshal Dillon style

0:53:06before you ever get up to their I don't

0:53:08have a chance right right you're gonna

0:53:10like hold on let me get my gun

0:53:13yeah yeah it worked with with somebody

0:53:15who's like enough of a nutjob to stand

0:53:17around by a bank and and Rob people who

0:53:20are making deposits like that's probably

0:53:22somebody with a little more skin in the

0:53:23game than you yeah right and so so your

0:53:26only option is to walk up to a bank with

0:53:28your deposit in one hand / already ready

0:53:30to go like your fucking Mannix or

0:53:31something like s4 in a circle with that

0:53:34with the handgun in this other palm you

0:53:37know and that's going to attract

0:53:38attention

0:53:39you gotta do it every night yeah yeah a

0:53:42policeman is going to see that one time

0:53:44yeah yeah I don't know you know even

0:53:47carrying a knife around which I tried to

0:53:50do for a while like I well you know I

0:53:52feel a little bit vulnerable having been

0:53:54robbed as many times as I have

0:53:56i'm talking about a certain period of my

0:53:57life post a post golden era where I

0:54:01never got in trouble but before the

0:54:05present day where you would sometimes

0:54:09maybe be a little bit out of your senses

0:54:14I was well I was there was a period even

0:54:16every robble for a while

0:54:18yeah there were a lot of times I was

0:54:19probable probably got robbed many times

0:54:21that I don't remember and got robbed a

0:54:25lot of times in drug deals gone wrong

0:54:29there are some of the worst robberies

0:54:31because

0:54:33you have scraped together some money to

0:54:36get some drugs and all you wanted some

0:54:39drugs and you're so close you're right

0:54:41there you're talking to the guy you're

0:54:43right that's right there

0:54:44you're about to have the drugs and then

0:54:46everyone goes home and everybody is

0:54:48happy and fine and all problems are

0:54:50resolved and then the guy Rob's you and

0:54:54then you're like now not only do I not

0:54:55have the drugs i also do not have the

0:54:58money that I managed to scrape together

0:54:59so i have no there's no like Plan B it

0:55:03makes it hard to trust people

0:55:04it's so hard and uh and then also the

0:55:08humiliation of getting robbed and then

0:55:10invariably I would chase the drug dealer

0:55:13and so that's a real boy had a central

0:55:16system the fourth problem which was that

0:55:20then that then I would be in a worse

0:55:21situation so Gemma catch him

0:55:23uh know what happens is you chase the

0:55:26drug dealer and he leads you into us he

0:55:29leads you into a blind alley i basically

0:55:33lead you into a canyon and then there

0:55:36are snipers on earth look at the canyon

0:55:41yeah and you're like whoa Hoss and then

0:55:44he turns around and says now we're going

0:55:45to the classic misdirection how do you

0:55:47like the idea like me now got in there

0:55:48like you know what what I really like

0:55:50the reason I chased you was that I

0:55:52wanted to apologize before I want to

0:55:54apologize for not having more money for

0:55:57you to steal and I'm just gonna back out

0:55:59of this Canyon for a couple couple of

0:56:01those that that's gotta be a depressing

0:56:03named super depressing and it's it's

0:56:05super depressing to get ripped off by a

0:56:07drug dealer that you know and think is

0:56:09your friend that's no that's no fun but

0:56:11I wash so there was a while there where

0:56:13I was carrying a knife because i thought

0:56:15i'm sure you eat you're a dummy to be

0:56:20out here in the world doing all these

0:56:22things and not have something did you

0:56:25have the attention of of using it i mean

0:56:28like if you're gonna carry a knife a lot

0:56:30it really helps to have stabbed people a

0:56:32bunch to just kind of get a feel for the

0:56:34thing is i did some Travis Bickle going

0:56:36who you know you're talking to me

0:56:39mhm you you talking to me about your off

0:56:41the amateurs a little bit right yeah and

0:56:43I would pop the knife out and for a

0:56:44while I had a switchblade

0:56:46and then I had one of those spyderco

0:56:49knives that a guy had like I had

0:56:51modified the spyderco so that you know a

0:56:54spyderco you flip it open with your

0:56:56thumb

0:56:57yeah yeah um knife yeah but he had money

0:57:00somehow taken this spyderco I don't know

0:57:02how he did it but he made it so that you

0:57:05can just pull it out and flick your

0:57:07wrist and this and the knife would flip

0:57:10out if root it loosened the action

0:57:13who and so I had this

0:57:17spyderco that was very impressive you

0:57:19pull this thing out flip it like you're

0:57:22in west side story and then it's not a

0:57:25switchblade it's this serrated like

0:57:29basically like table saw that that knife

0:57:33raised some eyebrows on that if it's

0:57:36good for dramatic effect

0:57:37i miss it i miss that knife I lost it

0:57:40but uh but but I carried by carrying a

0:57:44knife around for a while until i

0:57:45realized just as you're saying it's one

0:57:47thing to like pull your spyderco out

0:57:49flip it and look in the mirror and say

0:57:52now who's now who wants a like a year

0:57:56like that's ignite 12 with a pair of

0:57:58chucks only a high of this haha how do i

0:58:02just take this from you and hit you with

0:58:04until I get tired

0:58:05yeah okay but the prospect of actually

0:58:08like getting in a knife fight

0:58:09I mean the danger of getting a knife

0:58:12fight with somebody is if they are even

0:58:13if they're even slightly better at night

0:58:16fighting than you are

0:58:17oh and you could very easily hurt

0:58:19yourself in a knife fight

0:58:21well that I think the danger is that you

0:58:22get into a knife fight with somebody who

0:58:23is as you describe what has more skin in

0:58:26the game than you is more desperate than

0:58:28you you are mad that they stoled thirty

0:58:32dollars they are desperate to stay out

0:58:35of jail and desperate to live and that

0:58:39what they'll do is take your knife away

0:58:41from you and then stabbed you with your

0:58:43own nice and you want to talk about

0:58:45losing some dignity

0:58:48all in one of his drugs United my knife

0:58:51to yeah I went into this a ticket thirty

0:58:53dollars worth of drugs and now I'm dead

0:58:55yeah that talk about a bad plan so i

0:58:58said i did keep carrying a knife because

0:59:00they're it's good to have something to

0:59:01cut cheese

0:59:02yeah that's true but i but i stopped

0:59:05everything that I was ever gonna pull a

0:59:07knife out and pointed at somebody

0:59:09many many years ago because I just

0:59:12pictured the seem like I'm not a knife

0:59:14fighter and if I encounter one I don't

0:59:17want to show him my knife people get

0:59:19such fantasies you know such fantasies

0:59:21about you know how stuff is going to go

0:59:23and what's going to happen in that

0:59:24situation and I just my impression is

0:59:27that the more often you've been in

0:59:28fights over the more often you had

0:59:30violence visited upon you tried to

0:59:32defend yourself like you seem to get

0:59:34more and more realistic about how much

0:59:36that fantasy action you know you're not

0:59:37really going to like a roundhouse kick

0:59:39and the fight

0:59:40oh you did you know that my broken

0:59:44finger of several months ago still pains

0:59:47be doesn't give me an update on this and

0:59:49now and now wow really how this happened

0:59:51well the the first friday i got in with

0:59:54the to kill all right larson and in and

0:59:57I was counseling you to gently to maybe

0:59:57I was counseling you to gently to maybe

1:00:00you'll have that looked at and it was

1:00:01getting worse and worse and then you put

1:00:03some together with like chopsticks and

1:00:06band-aids

1:00:06that's right that's right I finally you

1:00:08know I finally went to the doctor the

1:00:10doctor said well I don't think it's

1:00:12broken you been walking around for three

1:00:15weeks with it tied to some chopsticks

1:00:18it's probably just a spring and he

1:00:20doesn't know your background so yeah

1:00:22there's no like what kind of stock

1:00:23you're from he did the x-ray and he was

1:00:25like oh it's fractured and a since

1:00:29you've been walking around for three

1:00:30weeks time to some chopsticks there's

1:00:33nothing we can do

1:00:33it's not we're not going to really break

1:00:36it so te said you just need to start

1:00:41stretching it haha

1:00:45and so God he was like you know usually

1:00:50it takes what he say 90 days to to

1:00:56completely heal and so for a month for

1:01:00two months I'm just like Oh agonisingly

1:01:03working this stiff broken finger and is

1:01:08the idea to sit to coax it Ortiz it into

1:01:11being in the right position or that it

1:01:12doesn't swell or what's the wasn't them

1:01:14I think what it what ends up happening

1:01:16is you know the bone starts to rebuild

1:01:18itself and then you just the the muscles

1:01:22and the scar tissue no scar tissue just

1:01:25wants to adhere to the to the heel to

1:01:29the to the to the place where it was

1:01:31broken and if the scar tissue succeeds

1:01:33in doing that then you can move your

1:01:34finger on that hard you won't be able to

1:01:35move and use it and so you have to get

1:01:38the everyday kind of break a heart scar

1:01:41tissue

1:01:42oh god and so I was doing this for two

1:01:45months and then three months and I was

1:01:49like come on what is wrong and I went to

1:01:51the doctor and I was like you know this

1:01:53can't possibly be what happens when you

1:01:55break your finger in the movies all the

1:01:57time guys do things where it's clear

1:01:59they broke their hand and the next day

1:02:01they're out fighting crime

1:02:02yeah they might gotta do this flexing

1:02:04thing a little bit getting a half

1:02:06yeah you know like no give themselves

1:02:07more Oh out

1:02:09and it's clear that he broke his hand

1:02:12and five places but the next day he's

1:02:14like slop solving solving mysteries and

1:02:18they're like no it really you know if

1:02:20you break your finger it sticks it takes

1:02:2290 days to to fix it and then I got

1:02:24there the doctor looks at the chart and

1:02:28he says oh but I mean I got your age

1:02:32take six months uh criminy and I think

1:02:36he doesn't offer to break it fix it

1:02:37that's not on the table now he said you

1:02:39know it's fine it's like it was

1:02:41fractured it was slightly displaced but

1:02:44it's healing now and it it's not you

1:02:48know it's not a wasn't a compound

1:02:51fracture it wasn't like radically

1:02:52displaced it was just a little bit

1:02:55the bone was just a little bit sideways

1:02:58and then it filled in in between and now

1:03:02it the bone if you if you took the bone

1:03:05out you know if when people look at your

1:03:07skeleton they will be able to see that

1:03:08it was broken and that bone will have a

1:03:11little bump is your right forefinger

1:03:14right yeah

1:03:16ah God so anyway that happened in like

1:03:19the funerals Thursday September first of

1:03:22September right yeah and now here we are

1:03:23in February and i am still everyday

1:03:27exercising this finger it is still stiff

1:03:31and you know hurts and so the sense

1:03:36September 22 now they've been probably

1:03:38three or four instances where I was like

1:03:40in a situation overseas or or in a in a

1:03:45strange town or wherever where I was

1:03:49like this guy this guy's gaming for a

1:03:54punch in the nose and then I'm like I

1:03:58look down at my hand and I'm like oh

1:04:00what's up what's up nose puncher you're

1:04:04not the guy to give this guy a punch in

1:04:05the nose

1:04:06you're still recovering from the last

1:04:07time John that's that's tragic and it's

1:04:10just like welcome to welcome to the

1:04:13terrordome

1:04:15like I you know the minutes are looking

1:04:19around like hey you can get this guy

1:04:21punched in the nose i can't do it i got

1:04:23a busted hand I would have done it

1:04:24myself there what you know what guy you

1:04:26know what kind i would punch you in the

1:04:28nose right now if I didn't already have

1:04:30a busted finger and I'm pointing at him

1:04:32with my crooked finger I didn't already

1:04:34have a busted from the last guys knows i

1:04:36punched don't don't toy with me

1:04:39yeah as I speak you are really practice

1:04:41that's so lame so sucks so basically I'm

1:04:45just like becoming increasingly just a

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1:06:14started about punching the guys

1:06:17no yeah I have my nurse will be out on

1:06:20the deck of the ship there was on the

1:06:23chain bridge

1:06:24it was a night just like this back so

1:06:31depressing

1:06:31it's so depressing what is happening

1:06:33Marilyn what's happening oh man it's you

1:06:35got all kinds of problems you got to

1:06:36entropy you got gravity is I know what

1:06:41it is it's free radicals in a the

1:06:43fucking radical now we want to get this

1:06:45to bind to something is that how it

1:06:47works

1:06:47I think you want an antioxidant an

1:06:50antioxidant oh yeah you and what that

1:06:52does is it it auntie oxidizes huh mm I

1:06:56should look into that I gotta do

1:06:57something John they work for a long time

1:07:00when they were talking about building

1:07:02spaceships that traveled interstellar

1:07:04distances on solar wind and that same

1:07:08solar wind is pummeling us every day

1:07:11with free radicals and nobody's making

1:07:13spaceship

1:07:14yeah right what we wear where r is all

1:07:17downside

1:07:17yeah we're sailing ships went outside

1:07:20for interstellar six sailing ships we're

1:07:22just getting pummeled with with the with

1:07:24solar radiation and we don't even have

1:07:26the interstellar saying you'd punch the

1:07:28SolarWinds but you can't you're still

1:07:30healing

1:07:31that's what's gonna who's gonna who's

1:07:32gonna defend this planet John I feel

1:07:35like so so in our lifetimes yours and

1:07:38mine there did not used to be health

1:07:42nuts

1:07:43except in the jack lalanne model where

1:07:46you would go a TOA TOA ship across san

1:07:49francisco bay point you could be an

1:07:51enthusiastic but like if you were a like

1:07:54in our childhood like you were like a

1:07:56neti person from California if you

1:07:57thought about that stuff you thought

1:07:58about it at all I cannot and under the

1:08:00kind of person who would buy whole wheat

1:08:01bread like somebody was a real fringe

1:08:03character

1:08:04why would you buy brown bread when you

1:08:06have perfectly so I got waiting to get

1:08:07the rainbow bread its soft you can make

1:08:09a sandwich and smash it but we're coming

1:08:12were coming up on is the proof of

1:08:15concepts era right where it people that

1:08:19started eating vegetarian and vegan

1:08:22diets

1:08:24and practicing Eastern medicine and

1:08:27thinking at all you ever get a cold at

1:08:30this point where you've got 40 years of

1:08:32this under our belt so now we should

1:08:33start see some results

1:08:34that's right people who have been living

1:08:36mindful e since the sixties right so

1:08:40there should start to be this this

1:08:43cohort as you say who are exceeding life

1:08:47expectancies and and we we have we can't

1:08:52see it yet because the data is still

1:08:53there's too much static but there will

1:08:58but there should if those life

1:09:01philosophies have any validity there

1:09:03should start to be people who routinely

1:09:05live to be a hundred and thirty right it

1:09:09sure seems like it if that that pattern

1:09:11should we do it if it works we should

1:09:13start seeing for sure right because

1:09:15there have always been people that live

1:09:16to be a hundred and eighteen years do

1:09:18commercials derby old ladies you like

1:09:21Romanian ladies in the other

1:09:22professionals right exactly

1:09:23well I mean there's always some lady

1:09:25some lady in France has been smoking gal

1:09:27was for a throne right be five years you

1:09:31watch yourself with cooking oil once a

1:09:33week smokes and drinks everything's fine

1:09:36yeah there's a hundred angry in the

1:09:37world so so what we what we need to

1:09:40start seeing is some of these pete

1:09:42seeger types who are still doing naked

1:09:46yoga and at a hundred and eighteen

1:09:50hundred and twenty years old her and

1:09:52then they're just like not dying and you

1:09:54go wait a minute there's something to

1:09:56this this guy's been eating bean sprouts

1:09:59and like like some kind of thomas with

1:10:05no honey and now he's a hundred and

1:10:08fifty years old and look how happy is he

1:10:10still having sex this guy that's right

1:10:12he's so annoyed but if we type we don't

1:10:15start to see those people pop out from

1:10:17the herd pretty soon then we're gonna

1:10:20have to re-evaluate the whole concept of

1:10:24of that style of like health i remember

1:10:27a guy saying to me i was i was cooking a

1:10:29steak in a frying pan and some guys

1:10:31house and he walked through and he was

1:10:32like enjoy the hormones

1:10:36ok he was a guy that was living on week

1:10:39we crash sure he's on the way to naked

1:10:41yoga

1:10:42yeah enjoy the hormones and I was like

1:10:44oh I'm not going to now

1:10:46yeah thanks a lot that sounds disgusting

1:10:48have fried hormones it but i don't know

1:10:54i'm watching this guy I just do I still

1:10:56I still know who that guy is I remember

1:10:58his name i'm gonna i'm gonna be watching

1:10:59those guys are dicks after the other

1:11:02diseases here's the thing how do you

1:11:03control for that how do you control for

1:11:04the improvements in health care and

1:11:06being a dick right

1:11:09oh right you you think that maybe he

1:11:11might live longer just because he's a

1:11:12dick you know the type

1:11:13he's got his little net bag that he

1:11:15takes to the whole foods or whatever you

1:11:17know the kind absolutely this guy he's a

1:11:19massage therapist now my god

1:11:21so all the massage and everything now

1:11:23I'm not saying that live in a living a

1:11:24life where you're where you're having

1:11:26massages and uh and you're eating you're

1:11:30eating stuff out of a bin at the

1:11:33supermarket

1:11:34maybe that isn't maybe that's a

1:11:35wonderful life to live anyway for its

1:11:38own sake even if you'd even if you die

1:11:40at 65 but like contrasting myself

1:11:44imagining myself like you know imagining

1:11:48dying of a heart attack

1:11:51kind of like goldie Hawn's husband in

1:11:53private benjamin m

1:11:55no just or like I like the running guy

1:11:57Jim Fixx right remember him from the day

1:12:00with the book on running and hit that

1:12:02pitch he died of a heart attack he

1:12:05totally died he had like a congenital

1:12:06heart failure but a gentle heart

1:12:08failures all the time where we have

1:12:09finding congenital heart failures before

1:12:11they happen

1:12:11what do you mean that yoga boy i think

1:12:14that i think that the that you your main

1:12:16demographic of people that want to

1:12:18discover a cure for congenital heart

1:12:20disorders are people who have just

1:12:22recently died like a general heart

1:12:25disorders hormones yeah that's tragic

1:12:28so anyway i'm watching the culture very

1:12:31carefully to start see because pete

1:12:32seeger did live to be a ripe old 98mm

1:12:35huh but the country is full of of skinny

1:12:40guys who ate nothing but jello and like

1:12:44smoke dime store cigars who have to be

1:12:4698 my my grandfather put a new roof on

1:12:49his barn when he was 98 and he never ate

1:12:53a vegetable really have the energy to

1:12:54get coffee today

1:12:55yeah I know oh my god you know what it's

1:12:57the free radicals us i gotta find a way

1:12:59to find this somebody on my Twitter sets

1:13:01on the other day that blew my mind a

1:13:04japanese girl like a girl born today in

1:13:07Japan has a life expectancy that will

1:13:09take her into the 22nd century

1:13:12Wow right figure you can lead to be 85

1:13:15at least a pulpit but so i have had a I

1:13:21was talking to a kid recently who went

1:13:23to Japan for the first time and he's a

1:13:25tall guy teenager and he said I was

1:13:29really anxious about going to Japan

1:13:31because I'm tall but he said all the

1:13:35kids that are my age in japan now are

1:13:38also really tall

1:13:40no I was like is that true and he was

1:13:42like yeah it's think it was just a it's

1:13:45just some kind of thing where her shirt

1:13:47was in Holland no no it was Japan it was

1:13:49like young people in Japan are tall now

1:13:51and so this whole business of like going

1:13:54to Japan and and everybody is 5 feet

1:13:56tall is like a butt in in 50 years

1:13:59that's not going to be see I'm on the

1:14:00horns of a dilemma here John because i

1:14:01can't decide whether I should just start

1:14:04refiling and reformulating all of my

1:14:07stereotypes about Japan or whether i

1:14:09should start over to Vegas because they

1:14:11live at home with the parents that you

1:14:14don't all I my sense was my great my

1:14:16great grandparents were four foot nine

1:14:20and my my grandparents were you know in

1:14:23the mid fives and then my dad was six

1:14:25foot one and i remember when i was a kid

1:14:27and my dad was 61 or 62 that was tall

1:14:32and people remarked upon it i like your

1:14:35dad is 662 or something and 61 and and a

1:14:41size 12 foot it was like hell yes look

1:14:43at us like that were we're big Americans

1:14:46and then when I got to be 63 and let's

1:14:50not talk about let's not talk about the

1:14:51anomaly i know you're changing rulers

1:14:54are you still seeing discrepancy still

1:14:55no I haven't been back to a doctor

1:14:56actually you everything I was like you

1:14:58know what quacks I don't let them fix

1:15:00their measurements and then you come

1:15:01back that's right that's right you're

1:15:03fucking rulers and i'll be back but you

1:15:06know and I was and I was like well what

1:15:08the difference is when my dad and I both

1:15:10ate kraft macaroni and cheese and all

1:15:12the generations before did not have

1:15:14access to kraft macaroni and cheese and

1:15:16kraft macaroni and cheese is a growth

1:15:18hormone

1:15:20it's the only thing I can explain is the

1:15:22only difference i mean they had pork

1:15:23chops i had pork chop some people gonna

1:15:25say that's anecdotal or or the bed i'm

1:15:27with you let my daughter is huge and she

1:15:29loves macaroni and cheese kraft macaroni

1:15:31and cheese now for a while I thought it

1:15:33was tab soda movie because my dad drank

1:15:37tab and I drank tab and that the

1:15:39generations before did not have access

1:15:41to tab but the problem is that nobody

1:15:44drinks tab anymore

1:15:45now you ever see ya know but people keep

1:15:47growing so it can't be tab it has to be

1:15:50kraft macaroni and cheese it's the only

1:15:52possible explanation and I'm sure that

1:15:55in Japan today

1:15:56kraft macaroni and cheese I mean I have

1:15:58no evidence of this but if you do a

1:15:59little research i'm sure you'll find

1:16:00that it is very popular

1:16:02I i would have to imagine that it's

1:16:03extremely popular is no other possible

1:16:05explanation right and in Canada for

1:16:07Canadians down kraft dinner right kraft

1:16:09dinner that's right that's what you're

1:16:10thinking about a different well yeah

1:16:12crafted it right you will keep you if

1:16:14you buy a Pontiac well they don't sell

1:16:16Pontiacs anymore but in the old days if

1:16:18you bought a Pontiac in canada we have a

1:16:20different name and a slightly different

1:16:22grill and it would have been made in

1:16:24Canada

1:16:26just like what are you doing up there it

1:16:28seems like that seems like a lot of

1:16:29overhead for a very minor distinction

1:16:31right build a whole fat but the thing is

1:16:34they're big they do other work and they

1:16:36got the Canadian content to rules right

1:16:38you got it you gotta play lots of

1:16:39nickelback on the radio they have lost

1:16:41about this John that's why people like

1:16:42Sloan their first we're forced to all

1:16:45right you know it's incontrovertible

1:16:48body was murdered and go yeah but man

1:16:57you know I've been back for and this is

1:17:00an important day because it's around two

1:17:01weeks now we've been back from the

1:17:03cruise

1:17:03yeah and i still miss the gravy

1:17:06it's one thing that's one thing I I

1:17:11don't have anybody to talk to about this

1:17:13and I'm so glad that you said that

1:17:15yeah my whole life up until just very

1:17:19recently if I just had a hot tray of

1:17:24gravy on the stove at all times and no

1:17:28matter what the meal was if it was kraft

1:17:31dinner if it was fried chicken

1:17:34if it was and noodles and butter

1:17:37I mean all the great foods if I could

1:17:40just on my way to the table

1:17:42stop at the at the hot tray no question

1:17:46and put two ladles of gravy on it huh

1:17:48life would have been so much better and

1:17:50then you get on a cruise ship and they

1:17:51got like four kinds of grapes so much

1:17:53gravy and they have great they have a

1:17:55great for every meal the sausage gravy i

1:17:57see John I realized this in the nineties

1:18:00i realized i think it was before I

1:18:02realized that if I ever became

1:18:04successful which I have not but if I

1:18:06ever did and I had the means i would

1:18:09have it my one like like stupid like I

1:18:11think to do is I would have sort of like

1:18:14a drink machine at a 7-eleven something

1:18:16along those lines probably a bespoke

1:18:18product built to the purpose for me but

1:18:21it would be a gravy serving phone i

1:18:23would be able to have hot like a like a

1:18:25white sausage gravy right you get a

1:18:27brown like a like a mashed-potato kind

1:18:30of gravy you want to want chunks in your

1:18:31sausage grilled it was not a lot not a

1:18:33lot but enough

1:18:35yeah yeah it should be a little bit

1:18:36substantial right

1:18:37it's not gonna come out smooth thick

1:18:39round brown gravy for your best potato

1:18:41that's right that's right and handsome

1:18:42as you

1:18:43I'm gonna want to have a new one that I

1:18:45don't know if you've gotten into your

1:18:46head maitre d better now but it's not

1:18:49what

1:18:49well if I ever go to a steakhouse I feel

1:18:52like skipping some people maitre d 10

1:18:54i'll say those walks could be very long

1:18:56mr but you I know what you make it home

1:18:59to get a couple sticks of butter put in

1:19:01three teaspoons of fresh lemon juice

1:19:02little bit of a little bit salt little

1:19:05bit of pepper and then you let congeal i

1:19:08put in like a ziplock bag and so they

1:19:10can squeeze it out like a pastry thing

1:19:12and you put that on a steak brother you

1:19:14have never had anything like it

1:19:15now seen out to me that would be part of

1:19:16the gramophone oh IC put it on the steak

1:19:19steak is good for everything it's like

1:19:21extra salty butter with lemon in it and

1:19:24boy is it ever said to me

1:19:25still I can't seem to say if I become

1:19:27successful not looking great right now

1:19:29but if it ever does happen

1:19:31greater no Merlin never know life is

1:19:32long although not very long

1:19:34well I want to yoga if i did i do the

1:19:36general most fucking clothes on

1:19:37so you're saying like a 44 nipple gravy

1:19:41found four apertures it might come from

1:19:43above it might be like on hoses like an

1:19:45oil change place where you pull it down

1:19:47just a sport right on the white ones the

1:19:50white ones no-brainer

1:19:51that's that boy I'll tell you ever have

1:19:53one burger you have water probably

1:19:54always sure you got to order order off

1:19:56the menu at whataburger order also they

1:19:58do great breakfast they had taquitos and

1:20:00they got a really good good sausage

1:20:02gravy so something like I think I'm

1:20:04gonna go with sausage and go with brown

1:20:06I'm gonna go with those you said

1:20:08anything i'm missing now I'm not

1:20:10thinking not a tomato sauce tomato

1:20:12sauces and that's a day-to-day sauce for

1:20:13me it's not a big deal it's not a thing

1:20:15that you want in a tube well yeah it's

1:20:17not something where i would not find

1:20:18myself as I'm walking to the table

1:20:20putting tomato sauce on things i would

1:20:21put sausage gravy on virtually

1:20:23everything well you know what you know

1:20:24what I'm going to say I'm gonna say

1:20:25cheese sauce

1:20:26Oh where's your cheese sauce cheese

1:20:29sauce would be nice and now we also just

1:20:30be nice like through the evening

1:20:31enjoying some TV with your family took a

1:20:33little cheesy sauce

1:20:34well so here's the thing about cheese

1:20:36sauce right you got to have you got it

1:20:37you want cheese sauce for your nachos

1:20:39yeah but you don't want to have to

1:20:43cheese sauces but you also have to have

1:20:46an on nacho cheese sauce for your welsh

1:20:48rarebit

1:20:49well what kind of gravies on well it's

1:20:52like it's like rabbits like cheese toast

1:20:54right yeah it's like it's like it's a

1:20:56sharp cheddar cheese

1:20:57oh god that sounds good right and you

1:21:00know of course the the meal that we make

1:21:01my special family meal is is a version

1:21:04of welsh rarebit it's like biscuits with

1:21:06ham and then uh and then a fried egg and

1:21:11then cheese sauce

1:21:13although i would enjoy that it's insane

1:21:16and you know you can put some thick ham

1:21:18on there you can put some thin ham

1:21:20that's a way I think the Windjammer has

1:21:23created unrealistic expectations so so

1:21:25you got your for cheat you got your for

1:21:27sauces here white gravy or brown gravy

1:21:29euros you and your was the fourth piece

1:21:32was cheese going to be a fourth now from

1:21:34for me

1:21:35cm on the bubble I'm going above the

1:21:37white in the brown I would introduce

1:21:38into almost every meal in the other

1:21:40sauce maybe don't butter sauce that's

1:21:41right there

1:21:42so for me I think i would i would take

1:21:44the butter sauce out i put a cheese

1:21:46sauce in there but it would be a tough

1:21:47it would have to be a non jalapeno

1:21:51flavored with cheese sauce and then i

1:21:53would just add the jalapeno flavored a

1:21:55nice cheese sauce not like some kind of

1:21:57industrial cheese no no not not a

1:21:59velveeta cheese butter cheese sauce

1:22:01that's very hard to keep from separate

1:22:03she's uh yeah and I mean I'm just

1:22:05imagine it you know maybe like when you

1:22:07work in a bar and you got the little

1:22:08spritzer you know for coke and so don't

1:22:10tell me is there is there is there a

1:22:14meal is there a plate that you think

1:22:17does not want a sauce know every meal

1:22:20could be improved with some kind of a

1:22:21sauce in fact it could make the meal

1:22:24I mean you take some very simple meals

1:22:26the kinds of fields were talking about

1:22:27noodles try that with some brown gravy

1:22:28on it and so good you know i'm saying so

1:22:30good when i was in college i would get

1:22:33to boil in a bag salsbury steak

1:22:36ah which were what fifty cents at the

1:22:39time that the sense of peace 22

1:22:42stouffer's boy in a bag Salisbury steaks

1:22:44i make a huge pot of noodles and just

1:22:47throw the Salisbury steaks and gravy in

1:22:49the in the pot of noodles sounds so good

1:22:51right now it's insane it's insanely good

1:22:53at 44 less than two dollars i could feed

1:22:57an army of one night

1:23:00myself I think it's still do i still

1:23:02want to keep chili special i don't think

1:23:03i want you know i guess you could get

1:23:05functionally it's something that's the

1:23:06technology no no that's a different

1:23:08thing I think you should keep it nice i

1:23:09think you should you should have some

1:23:10some nice canned chili that's easy

1:23:12enough to do and you wouldn't choose not

1:23:14a thing that you would well you put the

1:23:15cheese sticks of chili is a sauce chili

1:23:18is chili is the special special guests

1:23:21at dinner you know it's gonna be good

1:23:23with anybody but it but it is it is the

1:23:25center of the event for me

1:23:26right right now yeah I'm for me to like

1:23:29it it's sometimes i make a hot dog and

1:23:32put chili on it

1:23:33who but the focus is on the chili hot

1:23:36dogs just like it's like a topping

1:23:38except it's underneath em right so true

1:23:40right

1:23:41uh-huh and so I'm trying to think of a

1:23:44single thing that I would want that I

1:23:47wouldn't augment with one of those four

1:23:50so I think he's gonna put some sauces on

1:23:52other gravy's i think if you had like

1:23:54mesh video pretty good mashed potatoes

1:23:56butter mashed potatoes with brown gravy

1:23:57you put a little bit of sausage gravy on

1:23:59top of that i do this all I do this all

1:24:02the time i get a plate of food that you

1:24:04haven't already has a gravy or sauce and

1:24:06then I mean that I'm and I put a second

1:24:08so awesome i wouldn't last going to

1:24:10crease again I did it last night i

1:24:12ordered i was in it I was in a Thai

1:24:14restaurant i ordered a swimming Rama but

1:24:18in this restaurant for whatever reason

1:24:20they called showering Rama and I was

1:24:23like I died I wanted Rama to swim i

1:24:25don't want to ramas in a shower

1:24:27that's not an image i want but anyway so

1:24:29i ordered it and i use their own net

1:24:30nomenclature I didn't do the thing where

1:24:32I was like oh yeah can I get a baiting

1:24:34rama i didn't isolate now and i just

1:24:37said i would like showering Rama please

1:24:39and then I got uh then I got a pond name

1:24:44and I mixed the sauces oh brother put a

1:24:48little bit of the pond eh i'll let you

1:24:50know you let them let them touch in the

1:24:52middle and then you're having a you're

1:24:54having a peanut pond and party

1:25:00yes gravy's man kind of low energy low

1:25:07energy today are you feeling a little

1:25:08bit of a kind of low-energy I didn't

1:25:10like you want to be on the cruise don't

1:25:11you know my god fucking gravy every meal

1:25:15you just go through this great little

1:25:16fried eggs at first I was resistant to

1:25:18the little fridays just grab a Friday

1:25:20You Don't Know What You Don't Know Who

1:25:21friday they were really they felt kind

1:25:24of mass-produced which I put me off at

1:25:26first inventions like wow these are

1:25:27totally mass-produced i can just have a

1:25:29little over medium eggs any time haha

1:25:32who met incredible just gonna get one

1:25:34and that's I mean when I go to the

1:25:36grocery store and I see those uh

1:25:37hard-boiled eggs in a bag i just

1:25:40discovered these i went to my friend's

1:25:42place when Portland they go to costco

1:25:44and they buy a big thing of boiled eggs

1:25:46and bags and just eat them

1:25:47yeah and i was very specific that I was

1:25:50like that's not a thing that I like that

1:25:51there's no way that's ever actually been

1:25:53fresh that looks like it's got to be old

1:25:55and gross and I had like five of them

1:25:57you don't have to peel them use these

1:25:58eating eggs

1:25:59yeah they're just there and you can make

1:26:00a you can make a chopped salad and I

1:26:04gotta get that I gotta get ya

1:26:08maybe if I just kept a little bit of

1:26:09gravy on a low heat all day long

1:26:12you know little bit a little bit of

1:26:14sausage gravy all day long

1:26:15how do you think the rest of your family

1:26:16or two about them in the house would

1:26:17smell amazing

1:26:19I think it would say anything for a

1:26:21couple days immediately then on it just

1:26:26keeps getting better it tastes better on

1:26:27day three transaction is a reduction

1:26:32I

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