Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► hello a John hi Merlin has it going good [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► so good I'm so grateful to you for [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► sometimes being willing to push all I [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► can push you push and and sometimes you [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► know there's a part of me that says [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► don't don't stay on target [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► mhm stay on target I just want to bring [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► out the best in you [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► yeah but pushing sometimes helps yeah i [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► was on my way in today and you know of [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► course i only have an AM radio in my [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► truck and so I'm listening to the radio [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► station kxi which was my dad's radio [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► station they used to play like a steady [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► diet of just the once we got your Frank [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► Sinatra music yeah just the big bands [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► just the blue hair the blue hairs but [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► all those people are dead now [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► yeah and so the radio station still [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► exists and I've seen this before with [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► radio radio station sort of play [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► what do they call it the the demographic [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► rotation [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► mmm yeah radio station called demo well [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► but I'm talking about like the music [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► that they play on a radio station is [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► called the programming programming and [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► the programming has switched i'm driving [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► in and the djs talking to me and he says [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► he says you know there are a lot of [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► differences between men and women did [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► you know men are more likely to be [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► colorblind huh [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► this is john tesh for kxi radio and the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► DJ is John Tesh what [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► yeah I was like a day like a franchise [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► kinda do know he's these give he's [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► giving the call signs for pre-k ixi and [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► that's why I listen to him for a while [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► and he's like Barry Manilow is the music [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► of our generation [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► it's just I was like what generation is [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► he talking about [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► right right like this was the radio [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► station of the of the greatest [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► generation who are all gone and so now [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► it's been it's been replaced [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► they've likes these people have kind of [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► stepped in and taken over and they're [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► not i don't think the baby boomers would [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► characterize Barry Manilow as the music [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► of their generation [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► no I don't think they would I don't [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► think they even if they like Barry [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► Manilow I don't think that's the example [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► they were probably right so so who is he [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► talking to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► I don't know the radio seems i guess [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► it's always been a strange thing but it [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► really it seems so odd now listen mostly [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► to public radio or on the radio and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► sometimes will flip over and I first of [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► all just the commercials are so [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► depressing [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► that's it did you get that on your ka ax [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I question the commercials are going to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► be very depressing on kxi because [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► they're mostly for like ensure the like [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► vitamin enriched oh yeah sure why I feel [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► like I hear a lot of like financial [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► desperation and oh right that's it [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► that's it that's a pretty big one losing [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► your home [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► uhm yeah there's all payday loans and [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► stuff like that but that's and that's [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you know typical daytime fair but it's [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► strange I mean I too amazing to think [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► how much that industry must have changed [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► but we've got a station here that I like [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► a lot i like a lot [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► it's very funny and for some reason it [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► did the entire concept of the station to [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► light the lights me you know i got quite [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► tower here you have a station called [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Khao IIT 98.5 kiddo I t an FM station [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► whose primary arm claim to fame is it [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► claims to be the station that everybody [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► can listen to it work [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► oh right because it never says anything [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► your place anything sketchy [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► yeah it's all it's all its it's [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► basically and it's funny is if you're in [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► an elevator or a waiting room or [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► anywhere where there is a radio playing [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► its probably koma relaxing [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► yeah I feel like k KX I is the used to [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► be that for sure you know they would [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► maybe they play the lady is a tramp [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► which would be no singed some eyebrows [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► selassie but uh but now this this this [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► change in programming to reflect the [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► musical tastes of a generation I can't [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► quite put my finger on [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► they do play the lady is a tramp but [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► it's some later version of us [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► oh where it's like hate California it's [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► cold and it's damn that is it mr. [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► Sinatra well no it's a mean that it's an [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► imitation of him but it's like the [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► instrumentation is a little bit more [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► little bit more good Vegas see tubular [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► bells II and and ended some I don't know [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► I can't [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► it's like is there actually a generation [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► in between i know there is a generation [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► in between the am between the the world [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► war two generation and the baby boomer [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► generation better that that think of [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► themselves as a kind of lost or silent [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► generation but are they big enough to to [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► justify a radio station [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► yeah when you have to imagine that all [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the decision-making that goes into that [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► is extremely market-driven and it's been [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► particular i mean i don't mean I'm just [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► cynical but I i would have to guess that [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the greatest boon for any radio station [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► is to very clearly be able to identify [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► who's listening and I'll say one thing [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► you know one thing that makes that hard [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► today is when they do things like [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► surveys first of all people love surveys [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► not only talking about your soul sunday [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► are so it serves you right excuse to [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► like it so now it's the thing we can [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► measure you know but also you know [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► they're the ones who have home telephone [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► lines so when you call they pick up the [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► phone and we'll answer [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► mhm these kids today they don't do that [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you can't call them on their on their [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► selfie sticks and I just Instagram on [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► her selfie stick [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► sender I'm sorry meeting a little bit of [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► frozen bacon [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► how is it well I didn't realize that it [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► was going to create such a saucy of [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► sound I have these up ten ships [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► we don't usually eat on the program know [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► your dirty dirty brand potato chips [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► there that's the brand 30 brand dirty [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► with me [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► missing quotes more momentum dirty [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► I don't know they're pretty bland I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► gotta get this thing Lady and the Tramp [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► em or do you just not equal that you [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► think that really makes her a tramp just [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► because she what is she she eats early [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► yeah she goes two ballgames the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► bleachers are fine [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► yeah you won't go to Harlem in our minds [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► and first right [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► right Carl's yeah i don't know i think [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► it down set that's you know what that's [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► an early example of someone really [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► purposing a slur [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► oh you like a queer thing that's an [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► early example of somebody saying you're [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► gonna call me a tramp i'll show you one [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► of the trap is that's this is why I'm a [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► tramp because i'm going down to struggle [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► who think once we get that one version [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► your losses weird at their seams don't [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► know this is a trend or a mini trend but [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► if you seen where some popular pop [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► artists re-recording their songs so I'm [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► going so they're out of their [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► contractual obligation [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► maybe I think even more to the point [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► though and the one thing in particular [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► can i think i actually get by this jeff [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► lynne like meticulously recorded a ton [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► of elo songs really [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► mhm and I think I think it's so that he [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► gets the rights to those songs for those [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► kinds of production things like you know [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► he probably his catalogue was probably [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► owned by whatever epic or whatever a [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► long time ago [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► yeah well it said that's absolutely why [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► they re-recorded and then and then you [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► own the whole you on the recording you [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► know every recording has the ownership [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► of every recording has two sides [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► I you know what you've explained this to [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► me lots of people have explained to me i [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► still find incredibly badly only knows [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the people who write the music and then [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► on the publishing other ones to make the [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► money that's all I know [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► yeah right but this they they split up [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► into two hundred percent [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and-and-and-and literally when you talk [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► about it seems sustainable good time [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► music music publishing you're talking [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► about two hundred percent there's a [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► hundred percent of the recording and [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► there's a hundred percent of the writing [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and uh and you can own the you can own [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► the recording and the writer owns the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► song but if the only recording is the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it's the only way the song exists in the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► recording [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► oh so that's why something from the new [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► world record or whatever could be owned [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► by owns the epic but I forget whatever [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► it is label was owns the actual [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► recording that make it used in a [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► commercial right [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► the master i get it and so that's [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► usually means the producer or the music [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► company announced it [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► well that's the that's the thing it's [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► whoever whoever gives you the money to [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► record it traditionally or the man ran [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► this race or whoever like you know [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► shouldered his way in there and said [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► listen kid if you want to make it in [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► this business you're gonna give me some [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► percentage of your animated a lot of [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that was a lot of those people like [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► actually shoulder their way and so [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► you're gonna give me a percentage of the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► songwriting oh yeah but but definitely [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► if the if the label paid for you to go [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► into the studio then they traditionally [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► consider themselves on the master okay [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► squeezed it squeeze a like you know [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► again it's it's part of the sound of 27 [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah it'sit's almost in completely [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► identical wow yeah I mean that would be [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► a fun exercise because he's pretty [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► joyless to me but just I mean I from a [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► recording standpoint like they're you [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► know that i was saying about this the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► other day I was talking to our friend [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► joko and recalling that the first real [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► professional nerds that I knew were were [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► audio nerds and it was before there was [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► a kind of nerd but they it was before [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► nerd was a was a revolution in our minds [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► but like audio nerds are just another [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► form of nerd [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► and are just exactly they they are just [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► personality wise and in every other [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► respect very similar to computer nerds [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► and firm an audio nerd standpoint to sit [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► there and try and match exactly the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► sound of a classic album [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► oh my god they just be spewing all over [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► themselves [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► yeah like that guy from that one band [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► that work with Brian Wilson on smile [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► maybe they did a reconstruction smiles [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► that one guy from that pop and his name [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► is forget but he worked very closely [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► with the the brian wilson people to come [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► up with two 'totally recorded version of [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► smile as it could've been Wow [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► yeah right that that's that does seem [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► like that seems like a very fascinating [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► thing that's a real murder but the thing [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► is what you know the combination of [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► being thinking like almost like a John [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Brian Anderson me like somebody who [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► really loves the songs but all enemy [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► knows every or like yeah like God like [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► Jim on the on the cruise this kind of [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► people who have an ear for like every [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► little nook and cranny of a song but [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► also then the challenge of trying to [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► make it sound like it was recorded 40 [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► years ago must be really enticing it's [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► it's it's incredible and just in the [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► sense of like the the audio chain of [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► which microphone which preamp which [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► compressor which amplifier would Howard [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► all those things set and every single [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► one of those things if it varies even [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► slightly changes the tone and so to go [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► back and eat first of all you have to do [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► the research what Mike's were they using [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► you know and then go get those mics at [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► any at any expense like already it's [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► exciting and then put those things in a [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► room and the room is going to change the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► sound so you have to go back to the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► original studio [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I mean oh I'm i can't have and I'm [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► turgid with excitement really that would [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► appeal to you in just because you would [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► do all that you would do everything [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► right and then you would a be the guitar [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► sound right to left and it wouldn't [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► sound the same [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► yeah and then you just be like more and [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► at that point i would at that point i [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► would have nothing more to offer right i [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► would have been excited about finding [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► the mics in the room and the guitars and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► yeah but then comes the drudgery and [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► performances I mean most people's voices [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► sound pretty different after 10 or 15 [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► yeah well it's 30 years but but again I [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► would be engaged in that after the after [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the engineers had gone through and set [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► said are you gonna have to notch 4k [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► about to you know bebes no wait a minute [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► wait let's what let's bring that back [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► when you know laughter they did all that [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► and got the tones then to go back in and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► sit and try and duplicate your vocal [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► performance from from 30 years are [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► linked two lifetimes and that would be [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► that would be also very fun you know who [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► but that but his this is the thing [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► what this is is an example another [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► example I mean I i agree with our I [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► understand the the impulse to we record [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that stuff and take the money back from [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► the from the man it's a very it's very [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► pretty cool especially especially today [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► my gosh yeah every Prince like thing to [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► do [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► mhm but it's also another example of a [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► thing where you are still musician [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► you're in middle age or late middle age [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► and you want to do you want to find [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► anything other than to write ten good [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► new songs you want to find anything to [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► do any kind of busy worker like just as [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► a purely artistic distraction yeah [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► you're just like you're moving deck [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► chairs around you are stacking andrey [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► stacking three-by-five cards of and you [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and it's just like I know you know this [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► is why all these bands to an album of [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► covers over but if you could go and say [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► like you know what we really need to do [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► let's stop work on this new record [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► that's really be doubling US and go back [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► and reread meticulously recorded our old [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► records just to complete a complete like [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► busywork [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► well you know I don't have the numbers [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► in front of me but just anecdotally [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► today it seems like there's so much [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► I guess that I guess the stuff that you [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► know you can sell this stuff that sold [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► in the past right so you do the [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► remastering do the box that I mean it's [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► but that's not even that new of a thing [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► I mean in the nineties it was all about [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► the box sets where you got to get all [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the stuff that you already have a vinyl [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► that you know and in CD so to make that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► enticing like for example like the Beach [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Boys Pet Sounds box is actually really [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► good box because there's tons of of [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► great you know extra vocals and isolated [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► tracks and I i love that now that was a [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► great christmas present in 1995 or [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► whatever but I'm but funny yellow in [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► particular I in my years of like you [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► know spending so many hours in record [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► stores like going through the entire the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► entire store looking at every album make [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► I knew the names you know of [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► even I never heard them I knew which [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► bands do which albums I can't tell which [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► ones are popular but even then yellow in [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► like the late seventies early eighties [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► mid-eighties especially there were so [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► many yellow compilations even then I [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► mean they hadn't had like I don't think [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► monster hit since probably 1982 yeah [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► everybody was the last big hold on tight [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► song maybe like I don't think they had [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that many new songs that was 31 30 years [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► yeah it's not amazing well but you know [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► those box sets with all the extra bonus [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► tracks and the 25 different versions of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► tax man and so forth I mean those things [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► are great they're great for for the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► beatles that's that's pretty I mean that [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► and he actually hear how different and [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► your bird can sing could sound is pretty [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► fascinating of the really amazing song [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► you've heard hundred times it's totally [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► amazing except that in the itunes era [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► what that we live in now basically i [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► find i find that you know that in the CD [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► era where you put that are be like oh my [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► god listen to this [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► I'm it it made sense to me but if you [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► just rip all that stuff like into itunes [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► with no distinction right then you're in [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► it in that posture where you're here you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like you're making dinner and you turn [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► on your music and you here in the course [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► of an hour for versions of annular can [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► sing all of them slightly different or [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► you put your headphones on and you're [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► like I'm Melissa this is really working [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► mix it's not at the shuffling it's bad [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► for mixing right and I and I'm sure that [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that itunes masters who manage their [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► playlists don't have this problem [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► because they just manage it but it's [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► hard though I another level of [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► management United I know your attacker [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and I've been a tagger I will you know [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► look at the databases that are out there [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► for the best possible version but you [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► know again just not not how people [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► listen to music look at the website [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► right now that I feel like you should [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► know about if you don't know about [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► already [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► it's called albums that never were you [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► ever seen this road well I've never seen [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► albums that never work got dark [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► blogspot.com by checking on its this guy [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► is primarily this one guy although he [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► does put up other people's happens and [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► it's given the available material the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► best like reconstruction possible of [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► certain classic albums that never [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► existed like a lonely years of the who [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► with who is for tennis which are the [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► 1968 album and it's got stuff like [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► fortune-teller it's got magic bus it's [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► got home but basically like what if an [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► album you know there's no those classic [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► albums that like smile right within [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► other ones like a really good one that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► got is the weezer record that they [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► wanted to do that kind of what what [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► became Pinkerton but was named rivers [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► cuomo that his name is gonna pop is that [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► his name [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you have his picture in your wallet or [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► something called the river phoenix I get [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► confused that it was that was before I [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► think this before i went to Harvard and [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► but anyway you should check this out [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► it's a lot of 60 stuff [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► well first let me point out let me point [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► out i don't know but of course of course [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► this website is being maintained by an [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Italian [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► because that is the most Italian thing [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► in the world has is to is to have not [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► you know that when you go to Europe and [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► you go to an italian record store and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► there are pretty much I mean if you go [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to if you look in the Nirvana section in [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► an Italian record store there will be [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► four hundred records like the length and [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► they're all bootlegs or you know or like [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► double triple bootlegs right i mean [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► somehow the the record collector [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► mentality in Italy really is is a bit is [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► obsessive in a different way and they [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► and and they will commercially because [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the copyright laws somehow are different [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► or at least used to be different though [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► commercially publish all this stuff [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► where you know somebody else till [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► Christmas villages Walkman who off of a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► table in a cafe and then they'll publish [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► that as a Nirvana what you know the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► published the tape that's going to get [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► away with it and they get away with it [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► right so there's all this fascinating [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► stuff in record stores in Italy but this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► guy i'm pretty sure is Italian [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► his name is sonic love knowing sonic [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► love noise but with the Z instead of him [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► and all of his writing is without [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► capitalization it's all like no capitals [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► here's one vendor vana called sheep [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► reconstruction of the unreleased 1997 [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► album sheep essentially the precursor to [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► what would eventually be nevermind [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► well you know I actually had that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► cassette [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Wow there was a girl named Lily who I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► dated for a little while in about [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► 1990-91 she has she had [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► short red hair very short like pixie cut [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► out here and sort of um what kind of red [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► it's that that light light red hair like [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► strawberry blonde strawberry blonde [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► that's what I'm trying [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► hmm and she had a tattoo of a lily on [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► her shoulder which I complimented her on [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► I when we first met I said oh nice [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► lily and your name is Lily and she [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► turned we didn't know each other at this [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► point she turns she was like it's the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► stupidest tattoo ever I totally regret [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► it I was an idiot i was like 'oh little [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► bit honest i'm going to talk to you a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► little bit more [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► Lily worked at a bookstore that was [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► owned by a guy who was a pervert was one [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► of those bookstores was full of cats and [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► all the employees were 20 year old girls [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and he was like a kind of look like Van [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► Morrison and I I don't really know this [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► Yeah right right he's a tight yeah and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the bookstore kind of smells like cat [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► pee and it and everywhere he's dander [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► covered and but he's always but all of [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► his employees are are like sophomores in [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► college and he was always trying to get [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► Lily slowly was a was like a combat [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► boots and baby doll dress early nineties [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► person prefers and he would he would [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► come to and he'd say like I know the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► people you know like he was connected [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► somehow to left bank books in Paris or [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► whatever the you know the Shakespeare [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► and company he was connected to those [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► people and he was like let's just get [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► out of here let's just you know I've got [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► I've got $80,000 in a shoebox you and me [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► let's just go to Paris and Lily was like [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► you're a creep [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and so he was be would ply her with [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► gifts and one day she climbed in the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► window of my apartment she was like [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► you've got to hear this and it was it [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► was a cassette of all the demos for [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► nevermind which I assume was this thing [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you're that this guy's talking about the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► whatever the third their smile right [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► smile smile [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► well completely different versions of [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► every tune and this bookstore guy had [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► acquired this amount given it to Lily as [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► a enticement for her to run away to [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► Paris with him and she brought it over [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► to my house and we SAT and listened to [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► this cassette over and over and never [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► mind had only been out you know a few [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► months at this point and it was there [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► was a total revelation to hear those [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► tracks done differently and at the time [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► this cassette seemed like one of what [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► would only have been 20 of these things [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that were in existence [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► you know like it like it should be worth [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► of a million dollars and I in them in [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► the ethics that were in operation at the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► time I considered stealing it from my [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► girlfriend [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► oh that good is that it was that [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► important if L it less good it felt it [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► felt that important and then and then I [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► didn't I didn't steal it from her i [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► regret to this day lily ended up moving [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► to Marrakech where she got somehow [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► walked up [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► um just you know like I don't know how [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► she got to America's and and I don't [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► know how she I mean because she didn't [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► have any money and she didn't have any [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► back she have any friends but somehow [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► she got to Marrakech and walked up to [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the front door of Paul Bowles his house [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► bubbles at that time was probably [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► already 75 or 80 [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► and knocked on the door and started [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► working as his assistant [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► I I know that name that remind me who [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► that is you wrote the sheltering sky [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► oh wow and she showed up just showed up [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► and and he he's my favorite of the beat [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► writers is the only beat writer i can [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► stand and his his writing he did a thing [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► where he he translated well he had a [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► translator but he wrote a series of like [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► Moroccan folk stories he he brought this [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► Moroccan use young moroccan guy named [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► mohammed mohabbat who wrote some amazing [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► books bubbles short stories are the best [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► of all of the beats by the head and [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► shoulders and here's a guy really [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► admired and I I get a letter in the like [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► you know paper letter from Lily and [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► she's like my work for Paul's now i'm in [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► America should come [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► no I regret not going but very shortly [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► after I believe that she was arrested [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► for smuggling heroin into Europe inside [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► of her vagina [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► oh no oh that's an awkward call your [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► parents [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► yeah really who I don't think your [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► parents were still around [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► I think her parents had like maybe [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► driven volkswagen bus off of the top of [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► the the highway 1 in their nests [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► how do you think it's keep it in there [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► is it just to get through security or do [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you have to like feel like the whole [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► flight [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► Oh for the whole flight for sure i don't [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► think i don't think you take it out and [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► likes putting on your you're folding [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► table and wait until you're about to [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► land and go put it back in [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► I think but i'm pretty sure she took a [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► boat and the you know the boat ride is [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► yeah it's it's as long as the flight who [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► have to go really work your kegels who [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► like this this girl's got some she got [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► some character i fell out of touch with [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► their i-i-i the last time we saw each [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► other I had quit doing drugs and so [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► we had that awkward awkward weekend [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► where it's like well let's let's get [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► high [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► well I don't get high anymore oh alright [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► well um yeah that's a lot of change to [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► have been a jacket that's all we used to [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► do I know but I don't do it anymore [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► we're still two people were still to [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► humans in the world we know each other [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► let's see what's on TV so but I mean how [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► are we going to have sex if we're not [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► high i know right wouldn't that be weird [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► we should try even so that's common [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah Paul Bowles though Paul bales [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► I don't like the beats but i do like him [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► and yes is his wife also very amazing [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► writer [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► man i can't imagine doing what she did [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► that's so gutsy you haven't you young [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► you don't give a fuck you know you know [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► you think it's all you think it's all [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► adventure and and it is and it keeps [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► working over and over right here it's [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► like all adventure i'm i'm a [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► motherfucking drug smuggler now man and [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► you know I never I never sold drugs and [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and and because i was because I had that [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► because i had that thing that's kind of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► haunted me or that that chainmail shirt [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that I wore my entire life where I had [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► some core ethical lines that i wouldn't [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► go across like it [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► the idea of selling drugs to make a [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► living was disgusting to me even when I [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► was the most disgusting because I just [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► couldn't ever picture myself as a drug [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► dealer over because just the words drug [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► dealer like from the from the youngest [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► age right and that was just a thing I [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► was never going to be in net the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► excitement of it the the [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► it sounds like being a child molester is [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► it's not that kind of a a mark on it [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► yeah and some people rush into drug [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► dealing as fast as they can write it's [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► just like oh I can get high and make [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► money duh and it and it's simple and [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► they don't they don't think of it it [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► with it they don't they don't put a halo [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► a moral halo around it at all it's just [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► like right well this guy had extra drugs [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► and so I bought them from him and now [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► i'm selling them to you [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► what could be simpler if we're all doing [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► drugs why would you take a moral stance [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► on me selling them to you [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► um and there were many many many [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► opportunities for me to get into that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► racket but I just was like no way mind [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► you're looking like you never give me [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like a courier mule type work one time I [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► set off from Spokane Washington to [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► washington DC via so I so I popped [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► afraid and Spokane took the freight [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► train to missoula stuck my thumb [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► hitchhiked to what fort collins colorado [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you know one of these trips across [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► America is like and then I got on a [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► donkey and I wrote across the Ben the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► night a guy came along with a long [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► skateboard and we both got on it but [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► what I left spokane this guy I knew [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► whose name was Jesus what the fuck was [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► that guy's name not Treebeard but tree [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► something to treat reman now fuck what [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► was his name is really tall guy [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► this is a mythic character know he was a [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► real real person spoken sort of [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► legendary spokane hippie I like a local [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► character a local character and a super [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► nice guy and and a little bit older than [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► us and his name was like trade tree funk [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► but really it's embarrassing to be I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► don't remember his name but he was [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► trimming some pot was trimming a recent [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► harvest and he had five pounds of shake [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► it and as well accept it was good it was [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► a good it was good bud [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► so it was a it was a it was five pounds [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► of good shake it wasn't like ditch weed [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► right but it was still shake it was [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► leaves and you know in the little [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► nubbins and all the stuff that the the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► detritus right we had this you know we [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► had five pounds of this stuff and he [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► liked me and so he gave it to me and I [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► didn't have any money five pounds of pot [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah so much pot John well because [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► he was interested in the buds which were [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► valuable and good and the shame looks [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► like from that's we did not get a lot of [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the buds we will get a lot of the of the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► shake as you say this was the era this [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► was the transition area between when [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► most of the pot you got was shake in the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► United States to the concurrent era [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► where most of the pot you get his butt [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► and what's funny is in 1986 there were [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► whole you know the majority of the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► United States of America you couldn't [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► get good pot no matter how much money [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► you had right and so there were there [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► were places and the northwest was was [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► one of those places Northern California [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► Oregon Washington Alaska had great pot [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► fantastic pot and what what I would [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► travel across the country like and meet [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► stoners they would be like you're from [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the northwest oh man you have you ever [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► smoked rub the buddha and I'd be like [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► have I ever and then you'd be you'd be [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► down in Arizona or something you'd be [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► smoking this stuff that just was like [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► come on you guys seriously smoke this [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► heat like you even bother so I had this [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► should i had this giant quantity of [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► shake that was way better pot then you [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► could you could find in most of the [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► Seekers little bit of pot arbitrage [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► right get somewhere where the market can [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► bear it and frankly frankly like I liked [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► you know yeah i'm one of those people [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► that that is gonna smoke if you got it [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► i'm gonna smoke it and so really [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► heavy-duty weed i would just get super [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► baked and wouldn't be able to function [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► I don't know how people do it i really [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► liked was when I was one of those guys [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► that were just like oh wow you've got [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► like this not entertaining you're just [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► you're just in a corner you're in a [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► corner you're paranoid and your [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► bloodline is leaping from false idea to [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► false idea and you're just like I'm so [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► bad right now [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► fuck and and I was you know I was a i [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► was traveling some in most instances i [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► was the stranger right i would come in [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► to come into a situation and I was like [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the one guy I walk into a party I'm the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► one guy nobody knows and I had this weed [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► that was really good by their standards [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► but actually pretty mellow by myself and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► nutty showy yeah that's right it's not [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► like I've gotta you know I stole this [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► bud from the US government right it's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► like you know I got this really kind but [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and it's very nice to roll into joints [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► and then you pass some joints around a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► party like like you don't give a fuck [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► like here I just I'm just sitting here [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► rolling joints some passing them around [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► how do you like that and everybody's [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► like this part is so great it's so chill [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► and so I was so i use that pot as a to [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► be a hero for a long time because it was [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► a lot of weed and at one point [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► some guy came up to me in Durango [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► Colorado and he was like I've got 10 [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► capsules [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► of MDMA [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► will you trade me these 10 capsules of [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► MDMA for some you know handsome bag of [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► pot and this was one MDMA was three [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► bucks of capsule or something before i [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► think it was like right on the cusp when [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► they made it illegal so the only six ish [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► and so I was like yeah right i mean this [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► this started to feel like like going [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► places now right moving on up in the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► women in the world and so I got these i [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► got this MDMA and I gave him some weed [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► and then I had two kinds of drugs that [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► belong to me that people wanted but you [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► know you can't just walk into a party [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and start handing out MDMA also i didn't [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► i didn't have enough to give to [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► everybody so long long story short i did [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► not i never sold any drugs but I did [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► start to feel like I was wheeling and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► dealing in a room and I burned through [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► the through the ecstasy pretty fast and [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► then I was just back to be in the sky [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► that was like slapping around kind of a [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► Santa Claus bag [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► Oh was it broken down into separate bags [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► or was it like just like a bag is it was [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► so I did have found is a lot of pounds [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► John yeah i did have I had I have those [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► big freezer bags how God you must demo [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► that can make you a target [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► well yeah but you know that this is the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► thing about me when I was young I was so [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► naive about about the world the great [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► grand I i keep attributing this to [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► Alaska that somehow growing up there you [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► are your worldly in one sense that you [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► can't help but see a lot up there and be [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► exposed to a lot of different people and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► a lot of different kinds of danger but [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► it's also it was so isolated in it and [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► felt like it was 20 years behind the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► rest of the country [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► and so there's this kind of like opean [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► Mayberry thing to and so I was [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► constantly getting in situations when I [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► was in my early twenties late teens that [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► I look back on and go oh my god i am so [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► why didn't somebody just hit you over [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the head and take all your stuff and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► rape you and throw you in a river who [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► and this is like in this is around the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► time that you're hanging out with the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► grateful dead people [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► yeah that in there eight somewhere in [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► here as well and that they are less [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► likely to murder you but like elbows to [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► like just just living a living outside [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► the town also like what happened to you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► you know what all your stuff got stolen [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► right and France at in France so in so [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► what happened was the gradual education [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that I received in how in the in the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► dark side of the of the world where I [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► did start to get hit over the head and I [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► did start to get robbed and it happened [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► you know when you look back at it and in [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► a kind of graceful gracefully [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► incremental way so so that my first [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► experience was not that I was knifed in [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► a park by a couple of guys i mean i was [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► at one point I was riding a motorcycle [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► across the country and i was sleeping in [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► parks and i was asleep on a picnic table [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► with my motorcycle parked next to the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► picnic table [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► Wow an image and I woke up and and the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► motorcycle is loaded with like I had my [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► head all my stuff in a in a in an old [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► but what are the big big bags that you [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► get in the Army the Navy and a duffel [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► bag at all my stuff in a duffel bag [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► bungee cord to the back of this [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► motorcycle and I just pulled up into a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► park parties and look at me like a [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► pinata [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► right and my own the only i mean i was [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► lucky that I didn't I didn't have [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► anything that was anything in the duffel [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► bag the dirty clothes but I did have a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► fucking motorcycle at this for this [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► brief period and i'm parked next to this [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► uh sort of it I the reason I chose this [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► picnic table was it and it was covered [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► and up and I and it was raining so I [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► pulled the motorcycle under the the the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► little roof and got out and roll my [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► sleeping bag out on top of the picnic [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► table and went to sleep when I wake up [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► in the middle of the night and there are [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► two guys standing over me and one on [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► either side of me God and they're asking [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► me questions in Spanish and I wake up [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► and kind of setup in my sleeping bag and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► I'd never been robbed at this point and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► they're they're talking to me and I mean [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► I kind of woke up and they were already [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► in mid-conversation let me so I didn't [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► know where the conversation started and [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► I you know only spoke a little bit of [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► spanish and they're asking me questions [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► really calmly and it's the middle of the [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► night and I'm and I realized that this [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► moment that in choosing this park on the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► edge of town [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► I chose a place where i was you know [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► where i could shoot a flare gun off and [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► nobody nice elated [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► yeah and they just kind of stand there [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► with their hands in their pockets and we [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► have a conversation 45 minutes during [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► which time I'm saying like not really [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► sure with what you need and I'm not [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► really sure what you want and and I hope [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► you're having a really nice night and [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► you know I I knew there was a [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► dangerous situation but I didn't know [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► what to do [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► like I i had already made all the [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► decisions that that preclude me from [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► doing anything and for whatever reason [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► these guys just sort of looked at each [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► other and sauntered off and maybe they [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► were just being nice [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► I mean maybe who knows that's so weird [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► but but when i look at the time I was [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► like well who good thing I handled that [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► situation laid back down went back to [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► sleep but later on I looked back it was [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► like uh you were they asking me for the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► keys to my motorcycle I mean if it that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► was certainly a possibility that [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► somebody would come along and be like [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► there's a motorcycle and there's a kid [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► like let's let's take it up but that [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► never happened and what if that never [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► happened through many many many [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► iterations of back right where I look [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► back now and don't like oh they were [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► trying to kill me with and when it did [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► start to happen when I did start to get [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► ripped off it was always in a way that [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► was like it hurt [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► its tongue but but not you know and not [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► so much that that I said I'm you know [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► I'm going to go join the priesthood or [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► whatever you feel personal when I [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► started getting hurt [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► yeah well I mean look at the the thing [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► is it's um it always does [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's anything that involves an [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► incursion into your person I think kinda [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► can't help but feel personal even fits [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you know and they're like even the guys [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► in France I mean that's something that [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► was all business like something they'd [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► done over and over and over again [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► oh yeah and I and and every time a bit [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► director about the time I was walking [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► across the chain bridge in Budapest [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► have I told you this story no no I don't [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► know this one can walk across the chain [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► bridge which is the you know the like [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► big central bridge and input a budapest [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► or patched depending on one's listening [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► did you get did you get yelled at by [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that guy from Ukraine my god did the [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► gallon [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► yeah I don't acknowledge that no but [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► buda-pesht you are you feeling like the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► way i like the way he broke down his [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► various grievances with us by person [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah all of all it was lots of ! you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► know did you notice that I got heat for [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► stuff you said not of course I hope you [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► do if you are responsible i am i'm the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► on the editor you are you're the first [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► allowed you to be how you are [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► it may not continue do i and and two [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► guys come around so so the the way when [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► you want to cross the this particular [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► bridge like you get to the stanchions in [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► the middle of the river of which there [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► are two one on either side the big you [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► know the pillars and the and the path [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the pedestrian path goes around these [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► pillars right so the pedestrian path is [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► not just a continuous sight line of a [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► like a guardrail along the brown I see [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► there's like I got a little on blind a [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► little blonde right and i end the [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► manhattan bridge is like that beautiful [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► bridge the-the yeah yeah it's a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► beautiful Bridget so it's one of the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► that's one of the great purchase but I'm [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► on uh I'm on the Buddhist i'm headed to [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► the pesticide and I come around this [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► corner into this little blind on the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► buda side and there are these two guys [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► about my age and they're fashionable [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► young guys and as I come around the [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► corner one of them kind of looks at me [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► with surprise and delight he goes but I [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► rebel and speaks to me in Hungarian and [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► I'm like oh sorry I'm American he's like [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► Oh American of course you are you are [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you are a very fashionable guy and I was [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► like really nice top and he's like we [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► are reporters for the local a Hungarian [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► youth newspaper and I'm like uh-huh and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► he says would you mind if we took your [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► picture for our fashion spread of like [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► street fashion for the local paper and I [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► was like I would not mind I would be you [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► know I would i will take five minutes of [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► my day to help tell people to help you [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► guys and I was wearing a Levi's jacket [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► and some denim and Levi's and some boots [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and a shirt but I what I did I I did [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► agree with them that I was pretty [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► cool-looking and so I stand there you [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► know kind of look in pretty pretty [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► seasons and they take and they got other [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► guys got a camera the guy that's not [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► doing the talking and he's like you know [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► takes a couple of snaps and the guy goes [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► ok you know like you know turn around [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► like give us a little bit of you know [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► get a little action shows you know let's [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► get shot from the back and I turn around [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► and kinda he's like look over your [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► shoulder and I look over my shoulder [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Adam real fashion shoot stick out my [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► butt a little bit like hello hello [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► ladies and he's like now like a like [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► like flip the collar of your coat now so [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► we can see that tags so we can see the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► brand and I'm like I was just Levi's you [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► know and I kind of flipped the tag and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► i'm gonna show the levis tag like see [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► Levi's it's not it's not that weird i [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► mean i guess i guess it used to be [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► here and hungry more more and and so far [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► everything seems this is all just [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► totally fine you are having a blast [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► yeah all alone out here in the middle of [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► the bridge the three of us and then he [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► says you know shrug the shoulders off of [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► your jacket and kind of pull it down a [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► little bit and show the tag we can't [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► quite see it and I shrug the shoulders [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► off the jacket i'm trying to be helpful [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► guy and I shrug the shoulders down and [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► now i have tied myself a little bit in [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► my own Kotel right i have one yeah I get [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► it sits down this down your arms don't [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► have your arms have restricted movement [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► yeah man I'm I'm gradually gradually [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► incapacitating myself and some things [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► some wind off the river or some little [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► thing in my head [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► maybe I see just like a just like a tiny [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► spark in this guy's eyes something [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► happens but i mean i'm also running a [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► running a script aside script right Mike [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► think this is weird like really the the [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► tags are what you want to see and I [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► suddenly get like a a chill and I flip [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► my jacket back up and turn around and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► look at this guy [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► I kind of square off and look at him and [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► then all of a sudden it's like one of [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► those vampire movies where the guy's [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► eyes go white and the fangs come out [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► he's like God and the other dude like [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► like the take the jump into a posture [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► where they're they're not getting [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► anymore they are looking for their like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► they were there were two seconds from [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► grabbing me when I was incapacitated and [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► now I was recap acetate it and they were [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► you know things out like your prey for a [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► total pray but I i had regained my [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► footing and I had I was facing them both [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and had [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► my legs apart and was like went into a [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► combat posture and we SAT there in [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► history each other my god they were [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► literally hissing at me and you know and [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► honestly most of the most of my feelings [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► were rooted in being kind of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► disappointed that they had lied to me [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► about being fashionable that would be a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► nice break for you [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► you know I was like ah but I i did that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► you know i did that thing where I where [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► we saw we circled each other video house [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► on you now because this is that this is [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the lucky this is the lucky break like [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► when I want to examine the moments in my [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► life where I where I acknowledge that I [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► have tremendous privilege one of those [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► one of those privileges is that I'm I'm [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► just a big big and I look capable maybe [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► get an incident like that the whole [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► value of being any good at their job [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► would be to quickly you know rob [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► somebody and have it be over with and be [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► gone like the whole idea of this you [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► know Eastern European ballet movement [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► about vampires seems really strange [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► well and so what so their game i think [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► was get a guy turn around get him so he [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► pulls his jacket down around his around [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► his elbows and then whack him from [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► behind and grabbed his wallet and is so [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► while you're undercover to a girl pose [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► I get you know whacky from behind one [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► year yeah when you're like when you're [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► if i had not been looking over my [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► shoulder if I had turned and just show [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► them the tag that they were hoping for [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► yeah they would've whacked me probably [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► with the dummy camera and a all you know [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► all the trying to get your wallet in [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► your passport because because you're an [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► American tourist and you've got a job at [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► steel got 300 euros or something [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► now that they were facing me and it was [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► like going to be actual combat they had [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► a second to third and fourth thought [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► about it and in that amount of time i [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► was able to circle them around until the [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► until the opening presented itself for [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► me to head on up the path and then once [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► i started to move you know it was over [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► and they went the other way and we never [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► saw each other please Louise would have [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► strange incident lots and lots of those [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► in the course of of you know in the over [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► the years they sound like they might [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► have been kind of new to that racket [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► they were trying out some new things [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► tonight we try the trick when he pulls [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► down the jacket yeah maybe maybe they [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► maybe they thought maybe they'd done it [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► once and it worked and then they thought [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► this is our game now I mean they're at [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► no point did somebody you know at no [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► point did they pull out a soviet-era [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► pistol pointed at me right at the book [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► but you know the but some famous [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► gangster once said to me if a guy's got [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► a pistol [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► it's a pretty safe bet he's also got a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► car and I was like is that true and he [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► was like well the first thing you do [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► with a pistol is get a car to do you [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► understand me and I was like you right [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► course if you had a pistol [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► it's worth more it's worth more to you [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► it is worth more to you as a tool to get [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► a car then it is as a tool to take [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► twenty dollars on from the tourists on [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► icy right like the first thing you do is [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► good but stick it inside some guys faces [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► they give me your car right [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► okay so you got a pistol it's a safe bet [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► you've got a car and if you if if [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► somebody's just standing there with a [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► pistol on the sidewalk taking twenty [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► dollars off of people it's a pretty safe [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► bet that it's not a real pistol or are [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► offered a POW icc i was getting lost in [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► this if you give a mouse a cookie thing [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► ok that makes sense i switched and so [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► maybe not a real pistol ok that makes [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► sense but you know and I've had some [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► pistol pointed at me one in particular [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► on the on the sidewalk and when a pistol [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► pointed at you don't think to yourself [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► you guys got a pistol he's probably got [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► a car [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► you just go right all right well this is [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► this situation maybe he just got the [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► pistol he's on his way to get in your [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► car and he thought he'd stop and rob me [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► yeah i just got through this with my mom [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► was like a big second amendment [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► gun-carrying person and she had all [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► these you know what's your second [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► Amendment person you can come up with [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► all kinds of reasons that you need to [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► have a gun and in her case it was that [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► she was doing depositing stuff at night [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► mean you know the bank back when you go [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► to that big big door and possibly i just [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► always feel like I hate to burst your [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► bubble but like unless you're going to [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► have a gun pulled marshal Dillon style [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► before you ever get up to their I don't [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► have a chance right right you're gonna [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► like hold on let me get my gun [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah it worked with with somebody [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► who's like enough of a nutjob to stand [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► around by a bank and and Rob people who [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► are making deposits like that's probably [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► somebody with a little more skin in the [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► game than you yeah right and so so your [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► only option is to walk up to a bank with [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► your deposit in one hand / already ready [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► to go like your fucking Mannix or [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► something like s4 in a circle with that [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► with the handgun in this other palm you [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► know and that's going to attract [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► attention [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► you gotta do it every night yeah yeah a [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► policeman is going to see that one time [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't know you know even [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► carrying a knife around which I tried to [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► do for a while like I well you know I [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► feel a little bit vulnerable having been [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► robbed as many times as I have [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► i'm talking about a certain period of my [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► life post a post golden era where I [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► never got in trouble but before the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► present day where you would sometimes [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► maybe be a little bit out of your senses [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► I was well I was there was a period even [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► every robble for a while [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah there were a lot of times I was [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► probable probably got robbed many times [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► that I don't remember and got robbed a [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► lot of times in drug deals gone wrong [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► there are some of the worst robberies [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► because [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► you have scraped together some money to [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► get some drugs and all you wanted some [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► drugs and you're so close you're right [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► there you're talking to the guy you're [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► right that's right there [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► you're about to have the drugs and then [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► everyone goes home and everybody is [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► happy and fine and all problems are [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► resolved and then the guy Rob's you and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► then you're like now not only do I not [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► have the drugs i also do not have the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► money that I managed to scrape together [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► so i have no there's no like Plan B it [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► makes it hard to trust people [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► it's so hard and uh and then also the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► humiliation of getting robbed and then [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► invariably I would chase the drug dealer [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► and so that's a real boy had a central [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► system the fourth problem which was that [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► then that then I would be in a worse [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► situation so Gemma catch him [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► uh know what happens is you chase the [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► drug dealer and he leads you into us he [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► leads you into a blind alley i basically [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► lead you into a canyon and then there [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► are snipers on earth look at the canyon [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► yeah and you're like whoa Hoss and then [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► he turns around and says now we're going [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► to the classic misdirection how do you [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► like the idea like me now got in there [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► like you know what what I really like [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► the reason I chased you was that I [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► wanted to apologize before I want to [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► apologize for not having more money for [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► you to steal and I'm just gonna back out [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► of this Canyon for a couple couple of [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► those that that's gotta be a depressing [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► named super depressing and it's it's [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► super depressing to get ripped off by a [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► drug dealer that you know and think is [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► your friend that's no that's no fun but [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► I wash so there was a while there where [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► I was carrying a knife because i thought [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► i'm sure you eat you're a dummy to be [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► out here in the world doing all these [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► things and not have something did you [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► have the attention of of using it i mean [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► like if you're gonna carry a knife a lot [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► it really helps to have stabbed people a [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► bunch to just kind of get a feel for the [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► thing is i did some Travis Bickle going [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► who you know you're talking to me [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► mhm you you talking to me about your off [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► the amateurs a little bit right yeah and [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► I would pop the knife out and for a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► while I had a switchblade [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► and then I had one of those spyderco [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► knives that a guy had like I had [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► modified the spyderco so that you know a [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► spyderco you flip it open with your [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► thumb [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah um knife yeah but he had money [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► somehow taken this spyderco I don't know [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► how he did it but he made it so that you [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► can just pull it out and flick your [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► wrist and this and the knife would flip [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► out if root it loosened the action [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► who and so I had this [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► spyderco that was very impressive you [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► pull this thing out flip it like you're [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► in west side story and then it's not a [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► switchblade it's this serrated like [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► basically like table saw that that knife [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► raised some eyebrows on that if it's [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► good for dramatic effect [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► i miss it i miss that knife I lost it [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► but uh but but I carried by carrying a [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► knife around for a while until i [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► realized just as you're saying it's one [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► thing to like pull your spyderco out [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► flip it and look in the mirror and say [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► now who's now who wants a like a year [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► like that's ignite 12 with a pair of [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► chucks only a high of this haha how do i [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► just take this from you and hit you with [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► until I get tired [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► yeah okay but the prospect of actually [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► like getting in a knife fight [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► I mean the danger of getting a knife [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► fight with somebody is if they are even [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► if they're even slightly better at night [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► fighting than you are [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► oh and you could very easily hurt [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► yourself in a knife fight [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► well that I think the danger is that you [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► get into a knife fight with somebody who [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► is as you describe what has more skin in [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► the game than you is more desperate than [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► you you are mad that they stoled thirty [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► dollars they are desperate to stay out [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► of jail and desperate to live and that [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► what they'll do is take your knife away [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► from you and then stabbed you with your [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► own nice and you want to talk about [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► losing some dignity [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► all in one of his drugs United my knife [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► to yeah I went into this a ticket thirty [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► dollars worth of drugs and now I'm dead [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► yeah that talk about a bad plan so i [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► said i did keep carrying a knife because [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► they're it's good to have something to [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► cut cheese [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► yeah that's true but i but i stopped [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► everything that I was ever gonna pull a [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► knife out and pointed at somebody [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► many many years ago because I just [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► pictured the seem like I'm not a knife [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► fighter and if I encounter one I don't [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► want to show him my knife people get [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► such fantasies you know such fantasies [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► about you know how stuff is going to go [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► and what's going to happen in that [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► situation and I just my impression is [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► that the more often you've been in [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► fights over the more often you had [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► violence visited upon you tried to [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► defend yourself like you seem to get [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► more and more realistic about how much [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► that fantasy action you know you're not [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► really going to like a roundhouse kick [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► and the fight [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► oh you did you know that my broken [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► finger of several months ago still pains [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► be doesn't give me an update on this and [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► now and now wow really how this happened [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► well the the first friday i got in with [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► the to kill all right larson and in and [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► I was counseling you to gently to maybe [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► I was counseling you to gently to maybe [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you'll have that looked at and it was [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► getting worse and worse and then you put [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► some together with like chopsticks and [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► band-aids [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► that's right that's right I finally you [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► know I finally went to the doctor the [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► doctor said well I don't think it's [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► broken you been walking around for three [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► weeks with it tied to some chopsticks [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► it's probably just a spring and he [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► doesn't know your background so yeah [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► there's no like what kind of stock [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► you're from he did the x-ray and he was [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► like oh it's fractured and a since [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► you've been walking around for three [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► weeks time to some chopsticks there's [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► nothing we can do [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► it's not we're not going to really break [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► it so te said you just need to start [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► stretching it haha [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► and so God he was like you know usually [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► it takes what he say 90 days to to [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► completely heal and so for a month for [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► two months I'm just like Oh agonisingly [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► working this stiff broken finger and is [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► the idea to sit to coax it Ortiz it into [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► being in the right position or that it [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► doesn't swell or what's the wasn't them [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► I think what it what ends up happening [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► is you know the bone starts to rebuild [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► itself and then you just the the muscles [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► and the scar tissue no scar tissue just [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► wants to adhere to the to the heel to [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► the to the to the place where it was [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► broken and if the scar tissue succeeds [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► in doing that then you can move your [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► finger on that hard you won't be able to [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► move and use it and so you have to get [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► the everyday kind of break a heart scar [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► tissue [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► oh god and so I was doing this for two [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► months and then three months and I was [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► like come on what is wrong and I went to [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► the doctor and I was like you know this [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► can't possibly be what happens when you [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► break your finger in the movies all the [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► time guys do things where it's clear [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► they broke their hand and the next day [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► they're out fighting crime [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► yeah they might gotta do this flexing [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► thing a little bit getting a half [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► yeah you know like no give themselves [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► more Oh out [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► and it's clear that he broke his hand [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► and five places but the next day he's [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► like slop solving solving mysteries and [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► they're like no it really you know if [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► you break your finger it sticks it takes [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► 90 days to to fix it and then I got [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► there the doctor looks at the chart and [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► he says oh but I mean I got your age [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► take six months uh criminy and I think [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► he doesn't offer to break it fix it [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► that's not on the table now he said you [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► know it's fine it's like it was [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► fractured it was slightly displaced but [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► it's healing now and it it's not you [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► know it's not a wasn't a compound [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► fracture it wasn't like radically [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► displaced it was just a little bit [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► the bone was just a little bit sideways [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► and then it filled in in between and now [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► it the bone if you if you took the bone [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► out you know if when people look at your [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► skeleton they will be able to see that [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► it was broken and that bone will have a [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► little bump is your right forefinger [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► right yeah [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► ah God so anyway that happened in like [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► the funerals Thursday September first of [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► September right yeah and now here we are [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► in February and i am still everyday [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► exercising this finger it is still stiff [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► and you know hurts and so the sense [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► September 22 now they've been probably [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► three or four instances where I was like [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► in a situation overseas or or in a in a [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► strange town or wherever where I was [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► like this guy this guy's gaming for a [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► punch in the nose and then I'm like I [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► look down at my hand and I'm like oh [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► what's up what's up nose puncher you're [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► not the guy to give this guy a punch in [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► the nose [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► you're still recovering from the last [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► time John that's that's tragic and it's [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► just like welcome to welcome to the [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► terrordome [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► like I you know the minutes are looking [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► around like hey you can get this guy [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► punched in the nose i can't do it i got [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► a busted hand I would have done it [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► myself there what you know what guy you [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► know what kind i would punch you in the [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► nose right now if I didn't already have [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► a busted finger and I'm pointing at him [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► with my crooked finger I didn't already [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► have a busted from the last guys knows i [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► punched don't don't toy with me [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► yeah as I speak you are really practice [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► that's so lame so sucks so basically I'm [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► just like becoming increasingly just a [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► guy in a wheelchair with a blanket over [TS]

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01:06:14 ◼   ► started about punching the guys [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► no yeah I have my nurse will be out on [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► the deck of the ship there was on the [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► chain bridge [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► it was a night just like this back so [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► depressing [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► it's so depressing what is happening [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► Marilyn what's happening oh man it's you [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► got all kinds of problems you got to [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► entropy you got gravity is I know what [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► it is it's free radicals in a the [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► fucking radical now we want to get this [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► to bind to something is that how it [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► works [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► I think you want an antioxidant an [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► antioxidant oh yeah you and what that [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► does is it it auntie oxidizes huh mm I [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► should look into that I gotta do [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► something John they work for a long time [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► when they were talking about building [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► spaceships that traveled interstellar [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► distances on solar wind and that same [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► solar wind is pummeling us every day [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► with free radicals and nobody's making [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► spaceship [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► yeah right what we wear where r is all [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► downside [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► yeah we're sailing ships went outside [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► for interstellar six sailing ships we're [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► just getting pummeled with with the with [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► solar radiation and we don't even have [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► the interstellar saying you'd punch the [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► SolarWinds but you can't you're still [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► healing [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► that's what's gonna who's gonna who's [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► gonna defend this planet John I feel [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► like so so in our lifetimes yours and [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► mine there did not used to be health [TS]

01:07:42 ◼   ► nuts [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► except in the jack lalanne model where [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► you would go a TOA TOA ship across san [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► francisco bay point you could be an [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► enthusiastic but like if you were a like [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► in our childhood like you were like a [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► neti person from California if you [TS]