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0:00:19hello a John hi Merlin has it going good
0:00:25so good I'm so grateful to you for
0:00:28sometimes being willing to push all I
0:00:31can push you push and and sometimes you
0:00:34know there's a part of me that says
0:00:36don't don't stay on target
0:00:39mhm stay on target I just want to bring
0:00:42out the best in you
0:00:43yeah but pushing sometimes helps yeah i
0:00:47was on my way in today and you know of
0:00:49course i only have an AM radio in my
0:00:51truck and so I'm listening to the radio
0:00:56station kxi which was my dad's radio
0:01:00station they used to play like a steady
0:01:02diet of just the once we got your Frank
0:01:04Sinatra music yeah just the big bands
0:01:06just the blue hair the blue hairs but
0:01:09all those people are dead now
0:01:11yeah and so the radio station still
0:01:14exists and I've seen this before with
0:01:18radio radio station sort of play
0:01:21what do they call it the the demographic
0:01:27rotation
0:01:28mmm yeah radio station called demo well
0:01:32but I'm talking about like the music
0:01:34that they play on a radio station is
0:01:36called the programming programming and
0:01:40the programming has switched i'm driving
0:01:42in and the djs talking to me and he says
0:01:44he says you know there are a lot of
0:01:46differences between men and women did
0:01:49you know men are more likely to be
0:01:51colorblind huh
0:01:54this is john tesh for kxi radio and the
0:01:58DJ is John Tesh what
0:02:01yeah I was like a day like a franchise
0:02:04kinda do know he's these give he's
0:02:06giving the call signs for pre-k ixi and
0:02:11that's why I listen to him for a while
0:02:13and he's like Barry Manilow is the music
0:02:16of our generation
0:02:18it's just I was like what generation is
0:02:21he talking about
0:02:22right right like this was the radio
0:02:24station of the of the greatest
0:02:25generation who are all gone and so now
0:02:28it's been it's been replaced
0:02:30they've likes these people have kind of
0:02:32stepped in and taken over and they're
0:02:35not i don't think the baby boomers would
0:02:38characterize Barry Manilow as the music
0:02:40of their generation
0:02:42no I don't think they would I don't
0:02:43think they even if they like Barry
0:02:45Manilow I don't think that's the example
0:02:47they were probably right so so who is he
0:02:50talking to
0:02:51I don't know the radio seems i guess
0:02:53it's always been a strange thing but it
0:02:55really it seems so odd now listen mostly
0:02:58to public radio or on the radio and
0:03:01sometimes will flip over and I first of
0:03:05all just the commercials are so
0:03:06depressing
0:03:07that's it did you get that on your ka ax
0:03:11I question the commercials are going to
0:03:13be very depressing on kxi because
0:03:16they're mostly for like ensure the like
0:03:23vitamin enriched oh yeah sure why I feel
0:03:27like I hear a lot of like financial
0:03:29desperation and oh right that's it
0:03:32that's it that's a pretty big one losing
0:03:34your home
0:03:35uhm yeah there's all payday loans and
0:03:38stuff like that but that's and that's
0:03:39you know typical daytime fair but it's
0:03:41strange I mean I too amazing to think
0:03:44how much that industry must have changed
0:03:45but we've got a station here that I like
0:03:47a lot i like a lot
0:03:50it's very funny and for some reason it
0:03:51did the entire concept of the station to
0:03:53light the lights me you know i got quite
0:03:55tower here you have a station called
0:03:57Khao IIT 98.5 kiddo I t an FM station
0:04:04whose primary arm claim to fame is it
0:04:08claims to be the station that everybody
0:04:09can listen to it work
0:04:11oh right because it never says anything
0:04:13your place anything sketchy
0:04:15yeah it's all it's all its it's
0:04:17basically and it's funny is if you're in
0:04:19an elevator or a waiting room or
0:04:21anywhere where there is a radio playing
0:04:23its probably koma relaxing
0:04:26yeah I feel like k KX I is the used to
0:04:29be that for sure you know they would
0:04:32maybe they play the lady is a tramp
0:04:34which would be no singed some eyebrows
0:04:38selassie but uh but now this this this
0:04:42change in programming to reflect the
0:04:44musical tastes of a generation I can't
0:04:46quite put my finger on
0:04:48they do play the lady is a tramp but
0:04:52it's some later version of us
0:04:54oh where it's like hate California it's
0:04:59cold and it's damn that is it mr.
0:05:04Sinatra well no it's a mean that it's an
0:05:07imitation of him but it's like the
0:05:10instrumentation is a little bit more
0:05:12little bit more good Vegas see tubular
0:05:17bells II and and ended some I don't know
0:05:21I can't
0:05:22it's like is there actually a generation
0:05:24in between i know there is a generation
0:05:26in between the am between the the world
0:05:30war two generation and the baby boomer
0:05:32generation better that that think of
0:05:33themselves as a kind of lost or silent
0:05:36generation but are they big enough to to
0:05:39justify a radio station
0:05:41yeah when you have to imagine that all
0:05:43the decision-making that goes into that
0:05:44is extremely market-driven and it's been
0:05:47particular i mean i don't mean I'm just
0:05:50cynical but I i would have to guess that
0:05:53the greatest boon for any radio station
0:05:55is to very clearly be able to identify
0:05:59who's listening and I'll say one thing
0:06:02you know one thing that makes that hard
0:06:04today is when they do things like
0:06:05surveys first of all people love surveys
0:06:08not only talking about your soul sunday
0:06:10are so it serves you right excuse to
0:06:14like it so now it's the thing we can
0:06:15measure you know but also you know
0:06:18they're the ones who have home telephone
0:06:20lines so when you call they pick up the
0:06:22phone and we'll answer
0:06:23mhm these kids today they don't do that
0:06:26you can't call them on their on their
0:06:29selfie sticks and I just Instagram on
0:06:31her selfie stick
0:06:32sender I'm sorry meeting a little bit of
0:06:35frozen bacon
0:06:36how is it well I didn't realize that it
0:06:38was going to create such a saucy of
0:06:41sound I have these up ten ships
0:06:46we don't usually eat on the program know
0:06:49your dirty dirty brand potato chips
0:06:51there that's the brand 30 brand dirty
0:06:55with me
0:06:55missing quotes more momentum dirty
0:06:59I don't know they're pretty bland I
0:07:01gotta get this thing Lady and the Tramp
0:07:03em or do you just not equal that you
0:07:06think that really makes her a tramp just
0:07:07because she what is she she eats early
0:07:11yeah she goes two ballgames the
0:07:13bleachers are fine
0:07:14yeah you won't go to Harlem in our minds
0:07:18and first right
0:07:20right Carl's yeah i don't know i think
0:07:22it down set that's you know what that's
0:07:24an early example of someone really
0:07:28purposing a slur
0:07:32oh you like a queer thing that's an
0:07:35early example of somebody saying you're
0:07:36gonna call me a tramp i'll show you one
0:07:39of the trap is that's this is why I'm a
0:07:40tramp because i'm going down to struggle
0:07:43who think once we get that one version
0:07:46your losses weird at their seams don't
0:07:51know this is a trend or a mini trend but
0:07:53if you seen where some popular pop
0:07:57artists re-recording their songs so I'm
0:08:02going so they're out of their
0:08:03contractual obligation
0:08:05maybe I think even more to the point
0:08:07though and the one thing in particular
0:08:09can i think i actually get by this jeff
0:08:12lynne like meticulously recorded a ton
0:08:16of elo songs really
0:08:18mhm and I think I think it's so that he
0:08:21gets the rights to those songs for those
0:08:24kinds of production things like you know
0:08:26he probably his catalogue was probably
0:08:28owned by whatever epic or whatever a
0:08:31long time ago
0:08:32yeah well it said that's absolutely why
0:08:33they re-recorded and then and then you
0:08:38own the whole you on the recording you
0:08:40know every recording has the ownership
0:08:42of every recording has two sides
0:08:44I you know what you've explained this to
0:08:46me lots of people have explained to me i
0:08:48still find incredibly badly only knows
0:08:50the people who write the music and then
0:08:51on the publishing other ones to make the
0:08:52money that's all I know
0:08:53yeah right but this they they split up
0:08:55into two hundred percent
0:08:57and-and-and-and literally when you talk
0:09:00about it seems sustainable good time
0:09:02music music publishing you're talking
0:09:04about two hundred percent there's a
0:09:05hundred percent of the recording and
0:09:08there's a hundred percent of the writing
0:09:10and uh and you can own the you can own
0:09:16the recording and the writer owns the
0:09:20song but if the only recording is the
0:09:23it's the only way the song exists in the
0:09:26recording
0:09:27oh so that's why something from the new
0:09:31world record or whatever could be owned
0:09:34by owns the epic but I forget whatever
0:09:35it is label was owns the actual
0:09:36recording that make it used in a
0:09:38commercial right
0:09:39the master i get it and so that's
0:09:42usually means the producer or the music
0:09:44company announced it
0:09:45well that's the that's the thing it's
0:09:47whoever whoever gives you the money to
0:09:51record it traditionally or the man ran
0:09:56this race or whoever like you know
0:09:58shouldered his way in there and said
0:10:00listen kid if you want to make it in
0:10:01this business you're gonna give me some
0:10:03percentage of your animated a lot of
0:10:05that was a lot of those people like
0:10:06actually shoulder their way and so
0:10:08you're gonna give me a percentage of the
0:10:09songwriting oh yeah but but definitely
0:10:13if the if the label paid for you to go
0:10:15into the studio then they traditionally
0:10:17consider themselves on the master okay
0:10:20squeezed it squeeze a like you know
0:10:25again it's it's part of the sound of 27
0:10:28yeah it'sit's almost in completely
0:10:30identical wow yeah I mean that would be
0:10:34a fun exercise because he's pretty
0:10:36joyless to me but just I mean I from a
0:10:39recording standpoint like they're you
0:10:41know that i was saying about this the
0:10:42other day I was talking to our friend
0:10:44joko and recalling that the first real
0:10:47professional nerds that I knew were were
0:10:50audio nerds and it was before there was
0:10:54a kind of nerd but they it was before
0:10:56nerd was a was a revolution in our minds
0:10:59but like audio nerds are just another
0:11:01form of nerd
0:11:02and are just exactly they they are just
0:11:06personality wise and in every other
0:11:08respect very similar to computer nerds
0:11:10and firm an audio nerd standpoint to sit
0:11:14there and try and match exactly the
0:11:17sound of a classic album
0:11:19oh my god they just be spewing all over
0:11:22themselves
0:11:23yeah like that guy from that one band
0:11:25that work with Brian Wilson on smile
0:11:29maybe they did a reconstruction smiles
0:11:30that one guy from that pop and his name
0:11:32is forget but he worked very closely
0:11:33with the the brian wilson people to come
0:11:36up with two 'totally recorded version of
0:11:39smile as it could've been Wow
0:11:42yeah right that that's that does seem
0:11:44like that seems like a very fascinating
0:11:46thing that's a real murder but the thing
0:11:48is what you know the combination of
0:11:50being thinking like almost like a John
0:11:52Brian Anderson me like somebody who
0:11:54really loves the songs but all enemy
0:11:56knows every or like yeah like God like
0:11:58Jim on the on the cruise this kind of
0:12:00people who have an ear for like every
0:12:02little nook and cranny of a song but
0:12:04also then the challenge of trying to
0:12:07make it sound like it was recorded 40
0:12:08years ago must be really enticing it's
0:12:11it's it's incredible and just in the
0:12:14sense of like the the audio chain of
0:12:18which microphone which preamp which
0:12:25compressor which amplifier would Howard
0:12:28all those things set and every single
0:12:30one of those things if it varies even
0:12:33slightly changes the tone and so to go
0:12:36back and eat first of all you have to do
0:12:38the research what Mike's were they using
0:12:41you know and then go get those mics at
0:12:45any at any expense like already it's
0:12:47exciting and then put those things in a
0:12:50room and the room is going to change the
0:12:52sound so you have to go back to the
0:12:53original studio
0:12:55I mean oh I'm i can't have and I'm
0:12:58turgid with excitement really that would
0:13:02appeal to you in just because you would
0:13:05do all that you would do everything
0:13:06right and then you would a be the guitar
0:13:09sound right to left and it wouldn't
0:13:11sound the same
0:13:12yeah and then you just be like more and
0:13:14at that point i would at that point i
0:13:16would have nothing more to offer right i
0:13:18would have been excited about finding
0:13:19the mics in the room and the guitars and
0:13:21yeah but then comes the drudgery and
0:13:23performances I mean most people's voices
0:13:25sound pretty different after 10 or 15
0:13:27years
0:13:27yeah well it's 30 years but but again I
0:13:30would be engaged in that after the after
0:13:32the engineers had gone through and set
0:13:34said are you gonna have to notch 4k
0:13:36about to you know bebes no wait a minute
0:13:40wait let's what let's bring that back
0:13:42when you know laughter they did all that
0:13:43and got the tones then to go back in and
0:13:46sit and try and duplicate your vocal
0:13:48performance from from 30 years are
0:13:52linked two lifetimes and that would be
0:13:53that would be also very fun you know who
0:13:56but that but his this is the thing
0:13:59what this is is an example another
0:14:02example I mean I i agree with our I
0:14:05understand the the impulse to we record
0:14:07that stuff and take the money back from
0:14:10the from the man it's a very it's very
0:14:12pretty cool especially especially today
0:14:14my gosh yeah every Prince like thing to
0:14:16do
0:14:17mhm but it's also another example of a
0:14:21thing where you are still musician
0:14:23you're in middle age or late middle age
0:14:26and you want to do you want to find
0:14:29anything other than to write ten good
0:14:34new songs you want to find anything to
0:14:37do any kind of busy worker like just as
0:14:41a purely artistic distraction yeah
0:14:42you're just like you're moving deck
0:14:44chairs around you are stacking andrey
0:14:47stacking three-by-five cards of and you
0:14:50and it's just like I know you know this
0:14:52is why all these bands to an album of
0:14:54covers over but if you could go and say
0:14:57like you know what we really need to do
0:14:59let's stop work on this new record
0:15:00that's really be doubling US and go back
0:15:03and reread meticulously recorded our old
0:15:05records just to complete a complete like
0:15:10busywork
0:15:11well you know I don't have the numbers
0:15:13in front of me but just anecdotally
0:15:14today it seems like there's so much
0:15:19I guess that I guess the stuff that you
0:15:21know you can sell this stuff that sold
0:15:23in the past right so you do the
0:15:24remastering do the box that I mean it's
0:15:27but that's not even that new of a thing
0:15:29I mean in the nineties it was all about
0:15:31the box sets where you got to get all
0:15:33the stuff that you already have a vinyl
0:15:34that you know and in CD so to make that
0:15:36enticing like for example like the Beach
0:15:38Boys Pet Sounds box is actually really
0:15:41good box because there's tons of of
0:15:43great you know extra vocals and isolated
0:15:45tracks and I i love that now that was a
0:15:47great christmas present in 1995 or
0:15:49whatever but I'm but funny yellow in
0:15:51particular I in my years of like you
0:15:55know spending so many hours in record
0:15:57stores like going through the entire the
0:15:59entire store looking at every album make
0:16:02I knew the names you know of
0:16:04even I never heard them I knew which
0:16:06bands do which albums I can't tell which
0:16:07ones are popular but even then yellow in
0:16:09like the late seventies early eighties
0:16:11mid-eighties especially there were so
0:16:13many yellow compilations even then I
0:16:16mean they hadn't had like I don't think
0:16:17monster hit since probably 1982 yeah
0:16:20everybody was the last big hold on tight
0:16:22song maybe like I don't think they had
0:16:23that many new songs that was 31 30 years
0:16:26ago
0:16:26yeah it's not amazing well but you know
0:16:30those box sets with all the extra bonus
0:16:33tracks and the 25 different versions of
0:16:35tax man and so forth I mean those things
0:16:37are great they're great for for the
0:16:41beatles that's that's pretty I mean that
0:16:43and he actually hear how different and
0:16:45your bird can sing could sound is pretty
0:16:47fascinating of the really amazing song
0:16:49you've heard hundred times it's totally
0:16:51amazing except that in the itunes era
0:16:54what that we live in now basically i
0:16:59find i find that you know that in the CD
0:17:03era where you put that are be like oh my
0:17:05god listen to this
0:17:07I'm it it made sense to me but if you
0:17:11just rip all that stuff like into itunes
0:17:14with no distinction right then you're in
0:17:18it in that posture where you're here you
0:17:21like you're making dinner and you turn
0:17:24on your music and you here in the course
0:17:26of an hour for versions of annular can
0:17:28sing all of them slightly different or
0:17:31you put your headphones on and you're
0:17:32like I'm Melissa this is really working
0:17:33mix it's not at the shuffling it's bad
0:17:36for mixing right and I and I'm sure that
0:17:39that itunes masters who manage their
0:17:43playlists don't have this problem
0:17:46because they just manage it but it's
0:17:48hard though I another level of
0:17:49management United I know your attacker
0:17:51and I've been a tagger I will you know
0:17:53look at the databases that are out there
0:17:55for the best possible version but you
0:17:57know again just not not how people
0:17:58listen to music look at the website
0:18:00right now that I feel like you should
0:18:01know about if you don't know about
0:18:02already
0:18:03it's called albums that never were you
0:18:06ever seen this road well I've never seen
0:18:09albums that never work got dark
0:18:11blogspot.com by checking on its this guy
0:18:15is primarily this one guy although he
0:18:17does put up other people's happens and
0:18:19it's given the available material the
0:18:22best like reconstruction possible of
0:18:25certain classic albums that never
0:18:26existed like a lonely years of the who
0:18:30with who is for tennis which are the
0:18:341968 album and it's got stuff like
0:18:36fortune-teller it's got magic bus it's
0:18:39got home but basically like what if an
0:18:40album you know there's no those classic
0:18:43albums that like smile right within
0:18:45other ones like a really good one that
0:18:47got is the weezer record that they
0:18:51wanted to do that kind of what what
0:18:53became Pinkerton but was named rivers
0:18:57cuomo that his name is gonna pop is that
0:18:59his name
0:19:00you have his picture in your wallet or
0:19:02something called the river phoenix I get
0:19:03confused that it was that was before I
0:19:06think this before i went to Harvard and
0:19:08but anyway you should check this out
0:19:09it's a lot of 60 stuff
0:19:11well first let me point out let me point
0:19:13out i don't know but of course of course
0:19:17this website is being maintained by an
0:19:19Italian
0:19:19because that is the most Italian thing
0:19:22in the world has is to is to have not
0:19:27you know that when you go to Europe and
0:19:28you go to an italian record store and
0:19:30there are pretty much I mean if you go
0:19:33to if you look in the Nirvana section in
0:19:35an Italian record store there will be
0:19:37four hundred records like the length and
0:19:39they're all bootlegs or you know or like
0:19:43double triple bootlegs right i mean
0:19:45somehow the the record collector
0:19:48mentality in Italy really is is a bit is
0:19:53obsessive in a different way and they
0:19:55and and they will commercially because
0:19:58the copyright laws somehow are different
0:20:00or at least used to be different though
0:20:01commercially publish all this stuff
0:20:03where you know somebody else till
0:20:05Christmas villages Walkman who off of a
0:20:10table in a cafe and then they'll publish
0:20:12that as a Nirvana what you know the
0:20:13published the tape that's going to get
0:20:15away with it and they get away with it
0:20:16right so there's all this fascinating
0:20:18stuff in record stores in Italy but this
0:20:21guy i'm pretty sure is Italian
0:20:23his name is sonic love knowing sonic
0:20:26love noise but with the Z instead of him
0:20:29and all of his writing is without
0:20:32capitalization it's all like no capitals
0:20:35here's one vendor vana called sheep
0:20:37reconstruction of the unreleased 1997
0:20:40album sheep essentially the precursor to
0:20:42what would eventually be nevermind
0:20:44well you know I actually had that
0:20:47cassette
0:20:48Wow there was a girl named Lily who I
0:20:55dated for a little while in about
0:20:581990-91 she has she had
0:21:04short red hair very short like pixie cut
0:21:07out here and sort of um what kind of red
0:21:10it's that that light light red hair like
0:21:14strawberry blonde strawberry blonde
0:21:15that's what I'm trying
0:21:16hmm and she had a tattoo of a lily on
0:21:20her shoulder which I complimented her on
0:21:24I when we first met I said oh nice
0:21:28lily and your name is Lily and she
0:21:30turned we didn't know each other at this
0:21:31point she turns she was like it's the
0:21:33stupidest tattoo ever I totally regret
0:21:36it I was an idiot i was like 'oh little
0:21:38bit honest i'm going to talk to you a
0:21:40little bit more
0:21:41Lily worked at a bookstore that was
0:21:44owned by a guy who was a pervert was one
0:21:47of those bookstores was full of cats and
0:21:49all the employees were 20 year old girls
0:21:52and he was like a kind of look like Van
0:21:54Morrison and I I don't really know this
0:21:59guy
0:22:00Yeah right right he's a tight yeah and
0:22:02the bookstore kind of smells like cat
0:22:03pee and it and everywhere he's dander
0:22:05covered and but he's always but all of
0:22:08his employees are are like sophomores in
0:22:11college and he was always trying to get
0:22:14Lily slowly was a was like a combat
0:22:17boots and baby doll dress early nineties
0:22:20person prefers and he would he would
0:22:23come to and he'd say like I know the
0:22:25people you know like he was connected
0:22:27somehow to left bank books in Paris or
0:22:31whatever the you know the Shakespeare
0:22:34and company he was connected to those
0:22:35people and he was like let's just get
0:22:39out of here let's just you know I've got
0:22:41I've got $80,000 in a shoebox you and me
0:22:45let's just go to Paris and Lily was like
0:22:49you're a creep
0:22:51and so he was be would ply her with
0:22:53gifts and one day she climbed in the
0:22:58window of my apartment she was like
0:23:00you've got to hear this and it was it
0:23:03was a cassette of all the demos for
0:23:07nevermind which I assume was this thing
0:23:10you're that this guy's talking about the
0:23:12whatever the third their smile right
0:23:15smile smile
0:23:16well completely different versions of
0:23:18every tune and this bookstore guy had
0:23:22acquired this amount given it to Lily as
0:23:24a enticement for her to run away to
0:23:26Paris with him and she brought it over
0:23:28to my house and we SAT and listened to
0:23:30this cassette over and over and never
0:23:32mind had only been out you know a few
0:23:35months at this point and it was there
0:23:37was a total revelation to hear those
0:23:39tracks done differently and at the time
0:23:42this cassette seemed like one of what
0:23:44would only have been 20 of these things
0:23:47that were in existence
0:23:48you know like it like it should be worth
0:23:50of a million dollars and I in them in
0:23:57the ethics that were in operation at the
0:24:00time I considered stealing it from my
0:24:03girlfriend
0:24:04oh that good is that it was that
0:24:07important if L it less good it felt it
0:24:09felt that important and then and then I
0:24:14didn't I didn't steal it from her i
0:24:16regret to this day lily ended up moving
0:24:19to Marrakech where she got somehow
0:24:25walked up
0:24:27um just you know like I don't know how
0:24:33she got to America's and and I don't
0:24:35know how she I mean because she didn't
0:24:37have any money and she didn't have any
0:24:42back she have any friends but somehow
0:24:48she got to Marrakech and walked up to
0:24:50the front door of Paul Bowles his house
0:24:53bubbles at that time was probably
0:24:56already 75 or 80
0:24:59and knocked on the door and started
0:25:01working as his assistant
0:25:03I I know that name that remind me who
0:25:05that is you wrote the sheltering sky
0:25:07oh wow and she showed up just showed up
0:25:10and and he he's my favorite of the beat
0:25:14writers is the only beat writer i can
0:25:16stand and his his writing he did a thing
0:25:20where he he translated well he had a
0:25:24translator but he wrote a series of like
0:25:26Moroccan folk stories he he brought this
0:25:32Moroccan use young moroccan guy named
0:25:35mohammed mohabbat who wrote some amazing
0:25:38books bubbles short stories are the best
0:25:41of all of the beats by the head and
0:25:44shoulders and here's a guy really
0:25:45admired and I I get a letter in the like
0:25:50you know paper letter from Lily and
0:25:52she's like my work for Paul's now i'm in
0:25:54America should come
0:25:56no I regret not going but very shortly
0:26:00after I believe that she was arrested
0:26:02for smuggling heroin into Europe inside
0:26:06of her vagina
0:26:07oh no oh that's an awkward call your
0:26:10parents
0:26:11yeah really who I don't think your
0:26:13parents were still around
0:26:14I think her parents had like maybe
0:26:16driven volkswagen bus off of the top of
0:26:19the the highway 1 in their nests
0:26:25how do you think it's keep it in there
0:26:27is it just to get through security or do
0:26:29you have to like feel like the whole
0:26:30flight
0:26:31Oh for the whole flight for sure i don't
0:26:34think i don't think you take it out and
0:26:35likes putting on your you're folding
0:26:37table and wait until you're about to
0:26:39land and go put it back in
0:26:41I think but i'm pretty sure she took a
0:26:46boat and the you know the boat ride is
0:26:49yeah it's it's as long as the flight who
0:26:51have to go really work your kegels who
0:26:55like this this girl's got some she got
0:26:57some character i fell out of touch with
0:26:59their i-i-i the last time we saw each
0:27:02other I had quit doing drugs and so
0:27:06we had that awkward awkward weekend
0:27:09where it's like well let's let's get
0:27:11high
0:27:12well I don't get high anymore oh alright
0:27:15well um yeah that's a lot of change to
0:27:19have been a jacket that's all we used to
0:27:21do I know but I don't do it anymore
0:27:23we're still two people were still to
0:27:24humans in the world we know each other
0:27:26let's see what's on TV so but I mean how
0:27:30are we going to have sex if we're not
0:27:31high i know right wouldn't that be weird
0:27:33we should try even so that's common
0:27:39problem
0:27:40yeah yeah Paul Bowles though Paul bales
0:27:45I don't like the beats but i do like him
0:27:47and yes is his wife also very amazing
0:27:51writer
0:27:52man i can't imagine doing what she did
0:27:54that's so gutsy you haven't you young
0:27:57you don't give a fuck you know you know
0:27:59you think it's all you think it's all
0:28:01adventure and and it is and it keeps
0:28:05working over and over right here it's
0:28:06like all adventure i'm i'm a
0:28:09motherfucking drug smuggler now man and
0:28:13you know I never I never sold drugs and
0:28:18and and because i was because I had that
0:28:20because i had that thing that's kind of
0:28:22haunted me or that that chainmail shirt
0:28:25that I wore my entire life where I had
0:28:27some core ethical lines that i wouldn't
0:28:33go across like it
0:28:35the idea of selling drugs to make a
0:28:38living was disgusting to me even when I
0:28:41was the most disgusting because I just
0:28:44couldn't ever picture myself as a drug
0:28:46dealer over because just the words drug
0:28:49dealer like from the from the youngest
0:28:51age right and that was just a thing I
0:28:53was never going to be in net the
0:28:54excitement of it the the
0:28:57it sounds like being a child molester is
0:28:59it's not that kind of a a mark on it
0:29:02yeah and some people rush into drug
0:29:04dealing as fast as they can write it's
0:29:07just like oh I can get high and make
0:29:09money duh and it and it's simple and
0:29:14they don't they don't think of it it
0:29:17with it they don't they don't put a halo
0:29:18a moral halo around it at all it's just
0:29:21like right well this guy had extra drugs
0:29:24and so I bought them from him and now
0:29:26i'm selling them to you
0:29:28what could be simpler if we're all doing
0:29:30drugs why would you take a moral stance
0:29:32on me selling them to you
0:29:33um and there were many many many
0:29:37opportunities for me to get into that
0:29:38racket but I just was like no way mind
0:29:42you're looking like you never give me
0:29:43like a courier mule type work one time I
0:29:50set off from Spokane Washington to
0:29:53washington DC via so I so I popped
0:29:59afraid and Spokane took the freight
0:30:02train to missoula stuck my thumb
0:30:05hitchhiked to what fort collins colorado
0:30:10you know one of these trips across
0:30:12America is like and then I got on a
0:30:15donkey and I wrote across the Ben the
0:30:17night a guy came along with a long
0:30:19skateboard and we both got on it but
0:30:22what I left spokane this guy I knew
0:30:24whose name was Jesus what the fuck was
0:30:28that guy's name not Treebeard but tree
0:30:37something to treat reman now fuck what
0:30:41was his name is really tall guy
0:30:43this is a mythic character know he was a
0:30:45real real person spoken sort of
0:30:48legendary spokane hippie I like a local
0:30:51character a local character and a super
0:30:53nice guy and and a little bit older than
0:30:56us and his name was like trade tree funk
0:31:01but really it's embarrassing to be I
0:31:03don't remember his name but he was
0:31:05trimming some pot was trimming a recent
0:31:10harvest and he had five pounds of shake
0:31:15it and as well accept it was good it was
0:31:19a good it was good bud
0:31:20so it was a it was a it was five pounds
0:31:23of good shake it wasn't like ditch weed
0:31:25right but it was still shake it was
0:31:27leaves and you know in the little
0:31:31nubbins and all the stuff that the the
0:31:33detritus right we had this you know we
0:31:37had five pounds of this stuff and he
0:31:40liked me and so he gave it to me and I
0:31:46didn't have any money five pounds of pot
0:31:48yeah yeah so much pot John well because
0:31:51he was interested in the buds which were
0:31:54valuable and good and the shame looks
0:31:59like from that's we did not get a lot of
0:32:00the buds we will get a lot of the of the
0:32:03shake as you say this was the era this
0:32:05was the transition area between when
0:32:07most of the pot you got was shake in the
0:32:09United States to the concurrent era
0:32:12where most of the pot you get his butt
0:32:14and what's funny is in 1986 there were
0:32:18whole you know the majority of the
0:32:21United States of America you couldn't
0:32:23get good pot no matter how much money
0:32:24you had right and so there were there
0:32:28were places and the northwest was was
0:32:30one of those places Northern California
0:32:32Oregon Washington Alaska had great pot
0:32:36fantastic pot and what what I would
0:32:38travel across the country like and meet
0:32:40stoners they would be like you're from
0:32:42the northwest oh man you have you ever
0:32:45smoked rub the buddha and I'd be like
0:32:46have I ever and then you'd be you'd be
0:32:49down in Arizona or something you'd be
0:32:51smoking this stuff that just was like
0:32:53come on you guys seriously smoke this
0:32:56heat like you even bother so I had this
0:33:00should i had this giant quantity of
0:33:02shake that was way better pot then you
0:33:06could you could find in most of the
0:33:09Seekers little bit of pot arbitrage
0:33:12right get somewhere where the market can
0:33:14bear it and frankly frankly like I liked
0:33:17you know yeah i'm one of those people
0:33:20that that is gonna smoke if you got it
0:33:22i'm gonna smoke it and so really
0:33:24heavy-duty weed i would just get super
0:33:27baked and wouldn't be able to function
0:33:29I don't know how people do it i really
0:33:31liked was when I was one of those guys
0:33:32that were just like oh wow you've got
0:33:34like this not entertaining you're just
0:33:36you're just in a corner you're in a
0:33:38corner you're paranoid and your
0:33:39bloodline is leaping from false idea to
0:33:43false idea and you're just like I'm so
0:33:45bad right now
0:33:46fuck and and I was you know I was a i
0:33:49was traveling some in most instances i
0:33:51was the stranger right i would come in
0:33:54to come into a situation and I was like
0:33:56the one guy I walk into a party I'm the
0:33:59one guy nobody knows and I had this weed
0:34:03that was really good by their standards
0:34:06but actually pretty mellow by myself and
0:34:09nutty showy yeah that's right it's not
0:34:11like I've gotta you know I stole this
0:34:13bud from the US government right it's
0:34:16like you know I got this really kind but
0:34:18and it's very nice to roll into joints
0:34:21and then you pass some joints around a
0:34:23party like like you don't give a fuck
0:34:26like here I just I'm just sitting here
0:34:29rolling joints some passing them around
0:34:30how do you like that and everybody's
0:34:32like this part is so great it's so chill
0:34:34and so I was so i use that pot as a to
0:34:39be a hero for a long time because it was
0:34:44a lot of weed and at one point
0:34:47some guy came up to me in Durango
0:34:49Colorado and he was like I've got 10
0:34:52capsules
0:34:55of MDMA
0:34:59will you trade me these 10 capsules of
0:35:02MDMA for some you know handsome bag of
0:35:05pot and this was one MDMA was three
0:35:09bucks of capsule or something before i
0:35:12think it was like right on the cusp when
0:35:14they made it illegal so the only six ish
0:35:16and so I was like yeah right i mean this
0:35:20this started to feel like like going
0:35:23places now right moving on up in the
0:35:26women in the world and so I got these i
0:35:29got this MDMA and I gave him some weed
0:35:31and then I had two kinds of drugs that
0:35:34belong to me that people wanted but you
0:35:37know you can't just walk into a party
0:35:39and start handing out MDMA also i didn't
0:35:42i didn't have enough to give to
0:35:44everybody so long long story short i did
0:35:48not i never sold any drugs but I did
0:35:51start to feel like I was wheeling and
0:35:53dealing in a room and I burned through
0:35:58the through the ecstasy pretty fast and
0:36:01then I was just back to be in the sky
0:36:02that was like slapping around kind of a
0:36:04Santa Claus bag
0:36:06Oh was it broken down into separate bags
0:36:11or was it like just like a bag is it was
0:36:14so I did have found is a lot of pounds
0:36:17John yeah i did have I had I have those
0:36:19big freezer bags how God you must demo
0:36:22that can make you a target
0:36:24well yeah but you know that this is the
0:36:27thing about me when I was young I was so
0:36:30naive about about the world the great
0:36:36grand I i keep attributing this to
0:36:38Alaska that somehow growing up there you
0:36:42are your worldly in one sense that you
0:36:46can't help but see a lot up there and be
0:36:49exposed to a lot of different people and
0:36:52a lot of different kinds of danger but
0:36:54it's also it was so isolated in it and
0:36:57felt like it was 20 years behind the
0:36:59rest of the country
0:37:00and so there's this kind of like opean
0:37:02Mayberry thing to and so I was
0:37:07constantly getting in situations when I
0:37:10was in my early twenties late teens that
0:37:13I look back on and go oh my god i am so
0:37:16why didn't somebody just hit you over
0:37:18the head and take all your stuff and
0:37:21rape you and throw you in a river who
0:37:23and this is like in this is around the
0:37:27time that you're hanging out with the
0:37:29grateful dead people
0:37:30yeah that in there eight somewhere in
0:37:32here as well and that they are less
0:37:34likely to murder you but like elbows to
0:37:37like just just living a living outside
0:37:40the town also like what happened to you
0:37:42you know what all your stuff got stolen
0:37:43right and France at in France so in so
0:37:47what happened was the gradual education
0:37:49that I received in how in the in the
0:37:52dark side of the of the world where I
0:37:55did start to get hit over the head and I
0:37:57did start to get robbed and it happened
0:37:59you know when you look back at it and in
0:38:01a kind of graceful gracefully
0:38:03incremental way so so that my first
0:38:07experience was not that I was knifed in
0:38:09a park by a couple of guys i mean i was
0:38:12at one point I was riding a motorcycle
0:38:14across the country and i was sleeping in
0:38:17parks and i was asleep on a picnic table
0:38:20with my motorcycle parked next to the
0:38:22picnic table
0:38:23Wow an image and I woke up and and the
0:38:25motorcycle is loaded with like I had my
0:38:28head all my stuff in a in a in an old
0:38:32but what are the big big bags that you
0:38:37get in the Army the Navy and a duffel
0:38:40bag at all my stuff in a duffel bag
0:38:42bungee cord to the back of this
0:38:44motorcycle and I just pulled up into a
0:38:47park parties and look at me like a
0:38:49pinata
0:38:50right and my own the only i mean i was
0:38:55lucky that I didn't I didn't have
0:38:56anything that was anything in the duffel
0:38:58bag the dirty clothes but I did have a
0:39:00fucking motorcycle at this for this
0:39:04brief period and i'm parked next to this
0:39:06uh sort of it I the reason I chose this
0:39:09picnic table was it and it was covered
0:39:12and up and I and it was raining so I
0:39:15pulled the motorcycle under the the the
0:39:18little roof and got out and roll my
0:39:22sleeping bag out on top of the picnic
0:39:24table and went to sleep when I wake up
0:39:25in the middle of the night and there are
0:39:26two guys standing over me and one on
0:39:28either side of me God and they're asking
0:39:31me questions in Spanish and I wake up
0:39:34and kind of setup in my sleeping bag and
0:39:37I'd never been robbed at this point and
0:39:41they're they're talking to me and I mean
0:39:43I kind of woke up and they were already
0:39:45in mid-conversation let me so I didn't
0:39:49know where the conversation started and
0:39:52I you know only spoke a little bit of
0:39:55spanish and they're asking me questions
0:39:57really calmly and it's the middle of the
0:40:01night and I'm and I realized that this
0:40:04moment that in choosing this park on the
0:40:07edge of town
0:40:07I chose a place where i was you know
0:40:09where i could shoot a flare gun off and
0:40:11nobody nice elated
0:40:13yeah and they just kind of stand there
0:40:16with their hands in their pockets and we
0:40:18have a conversation 45 minutes during
0:40:22which time I'm saying like not really
0:40:24sure with what you need and I'm not
0:40:26really sure what you want and and I hope
0:40:28you're having a really nice night and
0:40:31you know I I knew there was a
0:40:34dangerous situation but I didn't know
0:40:36what to do
0:40:37like I i had already made all the
0:40:39decisions that that preclude me from
0:40:42doing anything and for whatever reason
0:40:45these guys just sort of looked at each
0:40:47other and sauntered off and maybe they
0:40:50were just being nice
0:40:52I mean maybe who knows that's so weird
0:40:55but but when i look at the time I was
0:40:58like well who good thing I handled that
0:41:00situation laid back down went back to
0:41:03sleep but later on I looked back it was
0:41:06like uh you were they asking me for the
0:41:10keys to my motorcycle I mean if it that
0:41:12was certainly a possibility that
0:41:14somebody would come along and be like
0:41:16there's a motorcycle and there's a kid
0:41:19like let's let's take it up but that
0:41:23never happened and what if that never
0:41:26happened through many many many
0:41:28iterations of back right where I look
0:41:31back now and don't like oh they were
0:41:34trying to kill me with and when it did
0:41:37start to happen when I did start to get
0:41:38ripped off it was always in a way that
0:41:41was like it hurt
0:41:44its tongue but but not you know and not
0:41:49so much that that I said I'm you know
0:41:53I'm going to go join the priesthood or
0:41:54whatever you feel personal when I
0:41:57started getting hurt
0:41:58yeah well I mean look at the the thing
0:42:00is it's um it always does
0:42:02yeah yeah it's anything that involves an
0:42:05incursion into your person I think kinda
0:42:07can't help but feel personal even fits
0:42:09you know and they're like even the guys
0:42:11in France I mean that's something that
0:42:12was all business like something they'd
0:42:13done over and over and over again
0:42:15oh yeah and I and and every time a bit
0:42:18director about the time I was walking
0:42:19across the chain bridge in Budapest
0:42:22have I told you this story no no I don't
0:42:26know this one can walk across the chain
0:42:28bridge which is the you know the like
0:42:30big central bridge and input a budapest
0:42:33or patched depending on one's listening
0:42:36did you get did you get yelled at by
0:42:39that guy from Ukraine my god did the
0:42:42gallon
0:42:43yeah I don't acknowledge that no but
0:42:44buda-pesht you are you feeling like the
0:42:47way i like the way he broke down his
0:42:49various grievances with us by person
0:42:51yeah all of all it was lots of ! you
0:42:55know did you notice that I got heat for
0:42:56stuff you said not of course I hope you
0:42:58do if you are responsible i am i'm the
0:43:01on the editor you are you're the first
0:43:03allowed you to be how you are
0:43:05it may not continue do i and and two
0:43:10guys come around so so the the way when
0:43:12you want to cross the this particular
0:43:14bridge like you get to the stanchions in
0:43:16the middle of the river of which there
0:43:18are two one on either side the big you
0:43:21know the pillars and the and the path
0:43:24the pedestrian path goes around these
0:43:27pillars right so the pedestrian path is
0:43:30not just a continuous sight line of a
0:43:33like a guardrail along the brown I see
0:43:37there's like I got a little on blind a
0:43:41little blonde right and i end the
0:43:43manhattan bridge is like that beautiful
0:43:46bridge the-the yeah yeah it's a
0:43:48beautiful Bridget so it's one of the
0:43:50that's one of the great purchase but I'm
0:43:52on uh I'm on the Buddhist i'm headed to
0:43:56the pesticide and I come around this
0:44:01corner into this little blind on the
0:44:06buda side and there are these two guys
0:44:08about my age and they're fashionable
0:44:12young guys and as I come around the
0:44:16corner one of them kind of looks at me
0:44:17with surprise and delight he goes but I
0:44:22rebel and speaks to me in Hungarian and
0:44:23I'm like oh sorry I'm American he's like
0:44:25Oh American of course you are you are
0:44:30you are a very fashionable guy and I was
0:44:34like really nice top and he's like we
0:44:40are reporters for the local a Hungarian
0:44:44youth newspaper and I'm like uh-huh and
0:44:50he says would you mind if we took your
0:44:52picture for our fashion spread of like
0:44:56street fashion for the local paper and I
0:45:00was like I would not mind I would be you
0:45:05know I would i will take five minutes of
0:45:06my day to help tell people to help you
0:45:09guys and I was wearing a Levi's jacket
0:45:13and some denim and Levi's and some boots
0:45:16and a shirt but I what I did I I did
0:45:22agree with them that I was pretty
0:45:23cool-looking and so I stand there you
0:45:26know kind of look in pretty pretty
0:45:28seasons and they take and they got other
0:45:30guys got a camera the guy that's not
0:45:31doing the talking and he's like you know
0:45:34takes a couple of snaps and the guy goes
0:45:36ok you know like you know turn around
0:45:38like give us a little bit of you know
0:45:39get a little action shows you know let's
0:45:42get shot from the back and I turn around
0:45:43and kinda he's like look over your
0:45:46shoulder and I look over my shoulder
0:45:48Adam real fashion shoot stick out my
0:45:52butt a little bit like hello hello
0:45:55ladies and he's like now like a like
0:45:57like flip the collar of your coat now so
0:46:01we can see that tags so we can see the
0:46:05brand and I'm like I was just Levi's you
0:46:09know and I kind of flipped the tag and
0:46:11i'm gonna show the levis tag like see
0:46:13Levi's it's not it's not that weird i
0:46:18mean i guess i guess it used to be
0:46:21here and hungry more more and and so far
0:46:24everything seems this is all just
0:46:25totally fine you are having a blast
0:46:27yeah all alone out here in the middle of
0:46:29the bridge the three of us and then he
0:46:32says you know shrug the shoulders off of
0:46:35your jacket and kind of pull it down a
0:46:37little bit and show the tag we can't
0:46:39quite see it and I shrug the shoulders
0:46:42off the jacket i'm trying to be helpful
0:46:44guy and I shrug the shoulders down and
0:46:49now i have tied myself a little bit in
0:46:53my own Kotel right i have one yeah I get
0:46:57it sits down this down your arms don't
0:46:59have your arms have restricted movement
0:47:01yeah man I'm I'm gradually gradually
0:47:03incapacitating myself and some things
0:47:08some wind off the river or some little
0:47:11thing in my head
0:47:13maybe I see just like a just like a tiny
0:47:17spark in this guy's eyes something
0:47:20happens but i mean i'm also running a
0:47:22running a script aside script right Mike
0:47:27think this is weird like really the the
0:47:29tags are what you want to see and I
0:47:33suddenly get like a a chill and I flip
0:47:36my jacket back up and turn around and
0:47:38look at this guy
0:47:39I kind of square off and look at him and
0:47:43then all of a sudden it's like one of
0:47:46those vampire movies where the guy's
0:47:48eyes go white and the fangs come out
0:47:50he's like God and the other dude like
0:47:53like the take the jump into a posture
0:47:58where they're they're not getting
0:48:01anymore they are looking for their like
0:48:04they were there were two seconds from
0:48:06grabbing me when I was incapacitated and
0:48:10now I was recap acetate it and they were
0:48:13you know things out like your prey for a
0:48:17total pray but I i had regained my
0:48:20footing and I had I was facing them both
0:48:23and had
0:48:24my legs apart and was like went into a
0:48:27combat posture and we SAT there in
0:48:30history each other my god they were
0:48:32literally hissing at me and you know and
0:48:39honestly most of the most of my feelings
0:48:42were rooted in being kind of
0:48:44disappointed that they had lied to me
0:48:46about being fashionable that would be a
0:48:47nice break for you
0:48:48you know I was like ah but I i did that
0:48:53you know i did that thing where I where
0:48:55we saw we circled each other video house
0:48:57on you now because this is that this is
0:49:00the lucky this is the lucky break like
0:49:02when I want to examine the moments in my
0:49:04life where I where I acknowledge that I
0:49:06have tremendous privilege one of those
0:49:10one of those privileges is that I'm I'm
0:49:12just a big big and I look capable maybe
0:49:17get an incident like that the whole
0:49:19value of being any good at their job
0:49:21would be to quickly you know rob
0:49:24somebody and have it be over with and be
0:49:25gone like the whole idea of this you
0:49:28know Eastern European ballet movement
0:49:29about vampires seems really strange
0:49:31well and so what so their game i think
0:49:35was get a guy turn around get him so he
0:49:40pulls his jacket down around his around
0:49:42his elbows and then whack him from
0:49:47behind and grabbed his wallet and is so
0:49:51while you're undercover to a girl pose
0:49:53I get you know whacky from behind one
0:49:56year yeah when you're like when you're
0:49:57if i had not been looking over my
0:50:00shoulder if I had turned and just show
0:50:02them the tag that they were hoping for
0:50:05yeah they would've whacked me probably
0:50:06with the dummy camera and a all you know
0:50:12all the trying to get your wallet in
0:50:13your passport because because you're an
0:50:16American tourist and you've got a job at
0:50:18steel got 300 euros or something
0:50:21now that they were facing me and it was
0:50:23like going to be actual combat they had
0:50:26a second to third and fourth thought
0:50:28about it and in that amount of time i
0:50:30was able to circle them around until the
0:50:32until the opening presented itself for
0:50:35me to head on up the path and then once
0:50:38i started to move you know it was over
0:50:41and they went the other way and we never
0:50:43saw each other please Louise would have
0:50:45strange incident lots and lots of those
0:50:49in the course of of you know in the over
0:50:52the years they sound like they might
0:50:54have been kind of new to that racket
0:50:55they were trying out some new things
0:50:58tonight we try the trick when he pulls
0:50:59down the jacket yeah maybe maybe they
0:51:01maybe they thought maybe they'd done it
0:51:03once and it worked and then they thought
0:51:04this is our game now I mean they're at
0:51:08no point did somebody you know at no
0:51:12point did they pull out a soviet-era
0:51:13pistol pointed at me right at the book
0:51:16but you know the but some famous
0:51:19gangster once said to me if a guy's got
0:51:22a pistol
0:51:23it's a pretty safe bet he's also got a
0:51:24car and I was like is that true and he
0:51:30was like well the first thing you do
0:51:32with a pistol is get a car to do you
0:51:35understand me and I was like you right
0:51:38course if you had a pistol
0:51:40it's worth more it's worth more to you
0:51:42it is worth more to you as a tool to get
0:51:47a car then it is as a tool to take
0:51:49twenty dollars on from the tourists on
0:51:50icy right like the first thing you do is
0:51:53good but stick it inside some guys faces
0:51:55they give me your car right
0:51:57okay so you got a pistol it's a safe bet
0:52:00you've got a car and if you if if
0:52:02somebody's just standing there with a
0:52:03pistol on the sidewalk taking twenty
0:52:05dollars off of people it's a pretty safe
0:52:07bet that it's not a real pistol or are
0:52:09offered a POW icc i was getting lost in
0:52:12this if you give a mouse a cookie thing
0:52:14ok that makes sense i switched and so
0:52:16maybe not a real pistol ok that makes
0:52:18sense but you know and I've had some
0:52:20pistol pointed at me one in particular
0:52:21on the on the sidewalk and when a pistol
0:52:25pointed at you don't think to yourself
0:52:27you guys got a pistol he's probably got
0:52:28a car
0:52:29you just go right all right well this is
0:52:32this situation maybe he just got the
0:52:34pistol he's on his way to get in your
0:52:36car and he thought he'd stop and rob me
0:52:39yeah i just got through this with my mom
0:52:41was like a big second amendment
0:52:42gun-carrying person and she had all
0:52:45these you know what's your second
0:52:46Amendment person you can come up with
0:52:48all kinds of reasons that you need to
0:52:49have a gun and in her case it was that
0:52:51she was doing depositing stuff at night
0:52:53mean you know the bank back when you go
0:52:56to that big big door and possibly i just
0:52:59always feel like I hate to burst your
0:53:01bubble but like unless you're going to
0:53:03have a gun pulled marshal Dillon style
0:53:06before you ever get up to their I don't
0:53:08have a chance right right you're gonna
0:53:10like hold on let me get my gun
0:53:13yeah yeah it worked with with somebody
0:53:15who's like enough of a nutjob to stand
0:53:17around by a bank and and Rob people who
0:53:20are making deposits like that's probably
0:53:22somebody with a little more skin in the
0:53:23game than you yeah right and so so your
0:53:26only option is to walk up to a bank with
0:53:28your deposit in one hand / already ready
0:53:30to go like your fucking Mannix or
0:53:31something like s4 in a circle with that
0:53:34with the handgun in this other palm you
0:53:37know and that's going to attract
0:53:38attention
0:53:39you gotta do it every night yeah yeah a
0:53:42policeman is going to see that one time
0:53:44yeah yeah I don't know you know even
0:53:47carrying a knife around which I tried to
0:53:50do for a while like I well you know I
0:53:52feel a little bit vulnerable having been
0:53:54robbed as many times as I have
0:53:56i'm talking about a certain period of my
0:53:57life post a post golden era where I
0:54:01never got in trouble but before the
0:54:05present day where you would sometimes
0:54:09maybe be a little bit out of your senses
0:54:14I was well I was there was a period even
0:54:16every robble for a while
0:54:18yeah there were a lot of times I was
0:54:19probable probably got robbed many times
0:54:21that I don't remember and got robbed a
0:54:25lot of times in drug deals gone wrong
0:54:29there are some of the worst robberies
0:54:31because
0:54:33you have scraped together some money to
0:54:36get some drugs and all you wanted some
0:54:39drugs and you're so close you're right
0:54:41there you're talking to the guy you're
0:54:43right that's right there
0:54:44you're about to have the drugs and then
0:54:46everyone goes home and everybody is
0:54:48happy and fine and all problems are
0:54:50resolved and then the guy Rob's you and
0:54:54then you're like now not only do I not
0:54:55have the drugs i also do not have the
0:54:58money that I managed to scrape together
0:54:59so i have no there's no like Plan B it
0:55:03makes it hard to trust people
0:55:04it's so hard and uh and then also the
0:55:08humiliation of getting robbed and then
0:55:10invariably I would chase the drug dealer
0:55:13and so that's a real boy had a central
0:55:16system the fourth problem which was that
0:55:20then that then I would be in a worse
0:55:21situation so Gemma catch him
0:55:23uh know what happens is you chase the
0:55:26drug dealer and he leads you into us he
0:55:29leads you into a blind alley i basically
0:55:33lead you into a canyon and then there
0:55:36are snipers on earth look at the canyon
0:55:41yeah and you're like whoa Hoss and then
0:55:44he turns around and says now we're going
0:55:45to the classic misdirection how do you
0:55:47like the idea like me now got in there
0:55:48like you know what what I really like
0:55:50the reason I chased you was that I
0:55:52wanted to apologize before I want to
0:55:54apologize for not having more money for
0:55:57you to steal and I'm just gonna back out
0:55:59of this Canyon for a couple couple of
0:56:01those that that's gotta be a depressing
0:56:03named super depressing and it's it's
0:56:05super depressing to get ripped off by a
0:56:07drug dealer that you know and think is
0:56:09your friend that's no that's no fun but
0:56:11I wash so there was a while there where
0:56:13I was carrying a knife because i thought
0:56:15i'm sure you eat you're a dummy to be
0:56:20out here in the world doing all these
0:56:22things and not have something did you
0:56:25have the attention of of using it i mean
0:56:28like if you're gonna carry a knife a lot
0:56:30it really helps to have stabbed people a
0:56:32bunch to just kind of get a feel for the
0:56:34thing is i did some Travis Bickle going
0:56:36who you know you're talking to me
0:56:39mhm you you talking to me about your off
0:56:41the amateurs a little bit right yeah and
0:56:43I would pop the knife out and for a
0:56:44while I had a switchblade
0:56:46and then I had one of those spyderco
0:56:49knives that a guy had like I had
0:56:51modified the spyderco so that you know a
0:56:54spyderco you flip it open with your
0:56:56thumb
0:56:57yeah yeah um knife yeah but he had money
0:57:00somehow taken this spyderco I don't know
0:57:02how he did it but he made it so that you
0:57:05can just pull it out and flick your
0:57:07wrist and this and the knife would flip
0:57:10out if root it loosened the action
0:57:13who and so I had this
0:57:17spyderco that was very impressive you
0:57:19pull this thing out flip it like you're
0:57:22in west side story and then it's not a
0:57:25switchblade it's this serrated like
0:57:29basically like table saw that that knife
0:57:33raised some eyebrows on that if it's
0:57:36good for dramatic effect
0:57:37i miss it i miss that knife I lost it
0:57:40but uh but but I carried by carrying a
0:57:44knife around for a while until i
0:57:45realized just as you're saying it's one
0:57:47thing to like pull your spyderco out
0:57:49flip it and look in the mirror and say
0:57:52now who's now who wants a like a year
0:57:56like that's ignite 12 with a pair of
0:57:58chucks only a high of this haha how do i
0:58:02just take this from you and hit you with
0:58:04until I get tired
0:58:05yeah okay but the prospect of actually
0:58:08like getting in a knife fight
0:58:09I mean the danger of getting a knife
0:58:12fight with somebody is if they are even
0:58:13if they're even slightly better at night
0:58:16fighting than you are
0:58:17oh and you could very easily hurt
0:58:19yourself in a knife fight
0:58:21well that I think the danger is that you
0:58:22get into a knife fight with somebody who
0:58:23is as you describe what has more skin in
0:58:26the game than you is more desperate than
0:58:28you you are mad that they stoled thirty
0:58:32dollars they are desperate to stay out
0:58:35of jail and desperate to live and that
0:58:39what they'll do is take your knife away
0:58:41from you and then stabbed you with your
0:58:43own nice and you want to talk about
0:58:45losing some dignity
0:58:48all in one of his drugs United my knife
0:58:51to yeah I went into this a ticket thirty
0:58:53dollars worth of drugs and now I'm dead
0:58:55yeah that talk about a bad plan so i
0:58:58said i did keep carrying a knife because
0:59:00they're it's good to have something to
0:59:01cut cheese
0:59:02yeah that's true but i but i stopped
0:59:05everything that I was ever gonna pull a
0:59:07knife out and pointed at somebody
0:59:09many many years ago because I just
0:59:12pictured the seem like I'm not a knife
0:59:14fighter and if I encounter one I don't
0:59:17want to show him my knife people get
0:59:19such fantasies you know such fantasies
0:59:21about you know how stuff is going to go
0:59:23and what's going to happen in that
0:59:24situation and I just my impression is
0:59:27that the more often you've been in
0:59:28fights over the more often you had
0:59:30violence visited upon you tried to
0:59:32defend yourself like you seem to get
0:59:34more and more realistic about how much
0:59:36that fantasy action you know you're not
0:59:37really going to like a roundhouse kick
0:59:39and the fight
0:59:40oh you did you know that my broken
0:59:44finger of several months ago still pains
0:59:47be doesn't give me an update on this and
0:59:49now and now wow really how this happened
0:59:51well the the first friday i got in with
0:59:54the to kill all right larson and in and
0:59:57I was counseling you to gently to maybe
0:59:57I was counseling you to gently to maybe
1:00:00you'll have that looked at and it was
1:00:01getting worse and worse and then you put
1:00:03some together with like chopsticks and
1:00:06band-aids
1:00:06that's right that's right I finally you
1:00:08know I finally went to the doctor the
1:00:10doctor said well I don't think it's
1:00:12broken you been walking around for three
1:00:15weeks with it tied to some chopsticks
1:00:18it's probably just a spring and he
1:00:20doesn't know your background so yeah
1:00:22there's no like what kind of stock
1:00:23you're from he did the x-ray and he was
1:00:25like oh it's fractured and a since
1:00:29you've been walking around for three
1:00:30weeks time to some chopsticks there's
1:00:33nothing we can do
1:00:33it's not we're not going to really break
1:00:36it so te said you just need to start
1:00:41stretching it haha
1:00:45and so God he was like you know usually
1:00:50it takes what he say 90 days to to
1:00:56completely heal and so for a month for
1:01:00two months I'm just like Oh agonisingly
1:01:03working this stiff broken finger and is
1:01:08the idea to sit to coax it Ortiz it into
1:01:11being in the right position or that it
1:01:12doesn't swell or what's the wasn't them
1:01:14I think what it what ends up happening
1:01:16is you know the bone starts to rebuild
1:01:18itself and then you just the the muscles
1:01:22and the scar tissue no scar tissue just
1:01:25wants to adhere to the to the heel to
1:01:29the to the to the place where it was
1:01:31broken and if the scar tissue succeeds
1:01:33in doing that then you can move your
1:01:34finger on that hard you won't be able to
1:01:35move and use it and so you have to get
1:01:38the everyday kind of break a heart scar
1:01:41tissue
1:01:42oh god and so I was doing this for two
1:01:45months and then three months and I was
1:01:49like come on what is wrong and I went to
1:01:51the doctor and I was like you know this
1:01:53can't possibly be what happens when you
1:01:55break your finger in the movies all the
1:01:57time guys do things where it's clear
1:01:59they broke their hand and the next day
1:02:01they're out fighting crime
1:02:02yeah they might gotta do this flexing
1:02:04thing a little bit getting a half
1:02:06yeah you know like no give themselves
1:02:07more Oh out
1:02:09and it's clear that he broke his hand
1:02:12and five places but the next day he's
1:02:14like slop solving solving mysteries and
1:02:18they're like no it really you know if
1:02:20you break your finger it sticks it takes
1:02:2290 days to to fix it and then I got
1:02:24there the doctor looks at the chart and
1:02:28he says oh but I mean I got your age
1:02:32take six months uh criminy and I think
1:02:36he doesn't offer to break it fix it
1:02:37that's not on the table now he said you
1:02:39know it's fine it's like it was
1:02:41fractured it was slightly displaced but
1:02:44it's healing now and it it's not you
1:02:48know it's not a wasn't a compound
1:02:51fracture it wasn't like radically
1:02:52displaced it was just a little bit
1:02:55the bone was just a little bit sideways
1:02:58and then it filled in in between and now
1:03:02it the bone if you if you took the bone
1:03:05out you know if when people look at your
1:03:07skeleton they will be able to see that
1:03:08it was broken and that bone will have a
1:03:11little bump is your right forefinger
1:03:14right yeah
1:03:16ah God so anyway that happened in like
1:03:19the funerals Thursday September first of
1:03:22September right yeah and now here we are
1:03:23in February and i am still everyday
1:03:27exercising this finger it is still stiff
1:03:31and you know hurts and so the sense
1:03:36September 22 now they've been probably
1:03:38three or four instances where I was like
1:03:40in a situation overseas or or in a in a
1:03:45strange town or wherever where I was
1:03:49like this guy this guy's gaming for a
1:03:54punch in the nose and then I'm like I
1:03:58look down at my hand and I'm like oh
1:04:00what's up what's up nose puncher you're
1:04:04not the guy to give this guy a punch in
1:04:05the nose
1:04:06you're still recovering from the last
1:04:07time John that's that's tragic and it's
1:04:10just like welcome to welcome to the
1:04:13terrordome
1:04:15like I you know the minutes are looking
1:04:19around like hey you can get this guy
1:04:21punched in the nose i can't do it i got
1:04:23a busted hand I would have done it
1:04:24myself there what you know what guy you
1:04:26know what kind i would punch you in the
1:04:28nose right now if I didn't already have
1:04:30a busted finger and I'm pointing at him
1:04:32with my crooked finger I didn't already
1:04:34have a busted from the last guys knows i
1:04:36punched don't don't toy with me
1:04:39yeah as I speak you are really practice
1:04:41that's so lame so sucks so basically I'm
1:04:45just like becoming increasingly just a
1:04:48guy in a wheelchair with a blanket over
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1:06:14started about punching the guys
1:06:17no yeah I have my nurse will be out on
1:06:20the deck of the ship there was on the
1:06:23chain bridge
1:06:24it was a night just like this back so
1:06:31depressing
1:06:31it's so depressing what is happening
1:06:33Marilyn what's happening oh man it's you
1:06:35got all kinds of problems you got to
1:06:36entropy you got gravity is I know what
1:06:41it is it's free radicals in a the
1:06:43fucking radical now we want to get this
1:06:45to bind to something is that how it
1:06:47works
1:06:47I think you want an antioxidant an
1:06:50antioxidant oh yeah you and what that
1:06:52does is it it auntie oxidizes huh mm I
1:06:56should look into that I gotta do
1:06:57something John they work for a long time
1:07:00when they were talking about building
1:07:02spaceships that traveled interstellar
1:07:04distances on solar wind and that same
1:07:08solar wind is pummeling us every day
1:07:11with free radicals and nobody's making
1:07:13spaceship
1:07:14yeah right what we wear where r is all
1:07:17downside
1:07:17yeah we're sailing ships went outside
1:07:20for interstellar six sailing ships we're
1:07:22just getting pummeled with with the with
1:07:24solar radiation and we don't even have
1:07:26the interstellar saying you'd punch the
1:07:28SolarWinds but you can't you're still
1:07:30healing
1:07:31that's what's gonna who's gonna who's
1:07:32gonna defend this planet John I feel
1:07:35like so so in our lifetimes yours and
1:07:38mine there did not used to be health
1:07:42nuts
1:07:43except in the jack lalanne model where
1:07:46you would go a TOA TOA ship across san
1:07:49francisco bay point you could be an
1:07:51enthusiastic but like if you were a like
1:07:54in our childhood like you were like a
1:07:56neti person from California if you
1:07:57thought about that stuff you thought
1:07:58about it at all I cannot and under the
1:08:00kind of person who would buy whole wheat
1:08:01bread like somebody was a real fringe
1:08:03character
1:08:04why would you buy brown bread when you
1:08:06have perfectly so I got waiting to get
1:08:07the rainbow bread its soft you can make
1:08:09a sandwich and smash it but we're coming
1:08:12were coming up on is the proof of
1:08:15concepts era right where it people that
1:08:19started eating vegetarian and vegan
1:08:22diets
1:08:24and practicing Eastern medicine and
1:08:27thinking at all you ever get a cold at
1:08:30this point where you've got 40 years of
1:08:32this under our belt so now we should
1:08:33start see some results
1:08:34that's right people who have been living
1:08:36mindful e since the sixties right so
1:08:40there should start to be this this
1:08:43cohort as you say who are exceeding life
1:08:47expectancies and and we we have we can't
1:08:52see it yet because the data is still
1:08:53there's too much static but there will
1:08:58but there should if those life
1:09:01philosophies have any validity there
1:09:03should start to be people who routinely
1:09:05live to be a hundred and thirty right it
1:09:09sure seems like it if that that pattern
1:09:11should we do it if it works we should
1:09:13start seeing for sure right because
1:09:15there have always been people that live
1:09:16to be a hundred and eighteen years do
1:09:18commercials derby old ladies you like
1:09:21Romanian ladies in the other
1:09:22professionals right exactly
1:09:23well I mean there's always some lady
1:09:25some lady in France has been smoking gal
1:09:27was for a throne right be five years you
1:09:31watch yourself with cooking oil once a
1:09:33week smokes and drinks everything's fine
1:09:36yeah there's a hundred angry in the
1:09:37world so so what we what we need to
1:09:40start seeing is some of these pete
1:09:42seeger types who are still doing naked
1:09:46yoga and at a hundred and eighteen
1:09:50hundred and twenty years old her and
1:09:52then they're just like not dying and you
1:09:54go wait a minute there's something to
1:09:56this this guy's been eating bean sprouts
1:09:59and like like some kind of thomas with
1:10:05no honey and now he's a hundred and
1:10:08fifty years old and look how happy is he
1:10:10still having sex this guy that's right
1:10:12he's so annoyed but if we type we don't
1:10:15start to see those people pop out from
1:10:17the herd pretty soon then we're gonna
1:10:20have to re-evaluate the whole concept of
1:10:24of that style of like health i remember
1:10:27a guy saying to me i was i was cooking a
1:10:29steak in a frying pan and some guys
1:10:31house and he walked through and he was
1:10:32like enjoy the hormones
1:10:36ok he was a guy that was living on week
1:10:39we crash sure he's on the way to naked
1:10:41yoga
1:10:42yeah enjoy the hormones and I was like
1:10:44oh I'm not going to now
1:10:46yeah thanks a lot that sounds disgusting
1:10:48have fried hormones it but i don't know
1:10:54i'm watching this guy I just do I still
1:10:56I still know who that guy is I remember
1:10:58his name i'm gonna i'm gonna be watching
1:10:59those guys are dicks after the other
1:11:02diseases here's the thing how do you
1:11:03control for that how do you control for
1:11:04the improvements in health care and
1:11:06being a dick right
1:11:09oh right you you think that maybe he
1:11:11might live longer just because he's a
1:11:12dick you know the type
1:11:13he's got his little net bag that he
1:11:15takes to the whole foods or whatever you
1:11:17know the kind absolutely this guy he's a
1:11:19massage therapist now my god
1:11:21so all the massage and everything now
1:11:23I'm not saying that live in a living a
1:11:24life where you're where you're having
1:11:26massages and uh and you're eating you're
1:11:30eating stuff out of a bin at the
1:11:33supermarket
1:11:34maybe that isn't maybe that's a
1:11:35wonderful life to live anyway for its
1:11:38own sake even if you'd even if you die
1:11:40at 65 but like contrasting myself
1:11:44imagining myself like you know imagining
1:11:48dying of a heart attack
1:11:51kind of like goldie Hawn's husband in
1:11:53private benjamin m
1:11:55no just or like I like the running guy
1:11:57Jim Fixx right remember him from the day
1:12:00with the book on running and hit that
1:12:02pitch he died of a heart attack he
1:12:05totally died he had like a congenital
1:12:06heart failure but a gentle heart
1:12:08failures all the time where we have
1:12:09finding congenital heart failures before
1:12:11they happen
1:12:11what do you mean that yoga boy i think
1:12:14that i think that the that you your main
1:12:16demographic of people that want to
1:12:18discover a cure for congenital heart
1:12:20disorders are people who have just
1:12:22recently died like a general heart
1:12:25disorders hormones yeah that's tragic
1:12:28so anyway i'm watching the culture very
1:12:31carefully to start see because pete
1:12:32seeger did live to be a ripe old 98mm
1:12:35huh but the country is full of of skinny
1:12:40guys who ate nothing but jello and like
1:12:44smoke dime store cigars who have to be
1:12:4698 my my grandfather put a new roof on
1:12:49his barn when he was 98 and he never ate
1:12:53a vegetable really have the energy to
1:12:54get coffee today
1:12:55yeah I know oh my god you know what it's
1:12:57the free radicals us i gotta find a way
1:12:59to find this somebody on my Twitter sets
1:13:01on the other day that blew my mind a
1:13:04japanese girl like a girl born today in
1:13:07Japan has a life expectancy that will
1:13:09take her into the 22nd century
1:13:12Wow right figure you can lead to be 85
1:13:15at least a pulpit but so i have had a I
1:13:21was talking to a kid recently who went
1:13:23to Japan for the first time and he's a
1:13:25tall guy teenager and he said I was
1:13:29really anxious about going to Japan
1:13:31because I'm tall but he said all the
1:13:35kids that are my age in japan now are
1:13:38also really tall
1:13:40no I was like is that true and he was
1:13:42like yeah it's think it was just a it's
1:13:45just some kind of thing where her shirt
1:13:47was in Holland no no it was Japan it was
1:13:49like young people in Japan are tall now
1:13:51and so this whole business of like going
1:13:54to Japan and and everybody is 5 feet
1:13:56tall is like a butt in in 50 years
1:13:59that's not going to be see I'm on the
1:14:00horns of a dilemma here John because i
1:14:01can't decide whether I should just start
1:14:04refiling and reformulating all of my
1:14:07stereotypes about Japan or whether i
1:14:09should start over to Vegas because they
1:14:11live at home with the parents that you
1:14:14don't all I my sense was my great my
1:14:16great grandparents were four foot nine
1:14:20and my my grandparents were you know in
1:14:23the mid fives and then my dad was six
1:14:25foot one and i remember when i was a kid
1:14:27and my dad was 61 or 62 that was tall
1:14:32and people remarked upon it i like your
1:14:35dad is 662 or something and 61 and and a
1:14:41size 12 foot it was like hell yes look
1:14:43at us like that were we're big Americans
1:14:46and then when I got to be 63 and let's
1:14:50not talk about let's not talk about the
1:14:51anomaly i know you're changing rulers
1:14:54are you still seeing discrepancy still
1:14:55no I haven't been back to a doctor
1:14:56actually you everything I was like you
1:14:58know what quacks I don't let them fix
1:15:00their measurements and then you come
1:15:01back that's right that's right you're
1:15:03fucking rulers and i'll be back but you
1:15:06know and I was and I was like well what
1:15:08the difference is when my dad and I both
1:15:10ate kraft macaroni and cheese and all
1:15:12the generations before did not have
1:15:14access to kraft macaroni and cheese and
1:15:16kraft macaroni and cheese is a growth
1:15:18hormone
1:15:20it's the only thing I can explain is the
1:15:22only difference i mean they had pork
1:15:23chops i had pork chop some people gonna
1:15:25say that's anecdotal or or the bed i'm
1:15:27with you let my daughter is huge and she
1:15:29loves macaroni and cheese kraft macaroni
1:15:31and cheese now for a while I thought it
1:15:33was tab soda movie because my dad drank
1:15:37tab and I drank tab and that the
1:15:39generations before did not have access
1:15:41to tab but the problem is that nobody
1:15:44drinks tab anymore
1:15:45now you ever see ya know but people keep
1:15:47growing so it can't be tab it has to be
1:15:50kraft macaroni and cheese it's the only
1:15:52possible explanation and I'm sure that
1:15:55in Japan today
1:15:56kraft macaroni and cheese I mean I have
1:15:58no evidence of this but if you do a
1:15:59little research i'm sure you'll find
1:16:00that it is very popular
1:16:02I i would have to imagine that it's
1:16:03extremely popular is no other possible
1:16:05explanation right and in Canada for
1:16:07Canadians down kraft dinner right kraft
1:16:09dinner that's right that's what you're
1:16:10thinking about a different well yeah
1:16:12crafted it right you will keep you if
1:16:14you buy a Pontiac well they don't sell
1:16:16Pontiacs anymore but in the old days if
1:16:18you bought a Pontiac in canada we have a
1:16:20different name and a slightly different
1:16:22grill and it would have been made in
1:16:24Canada
1:16:26just like what are you doing up there it
1:16:28seems like that seems like a lot of
1:16:29overhead for a very minor distinction
1:16:31right build a whole fat but the thing is
1:16:34they're big they do other work and they
1:16:36got the Canadian content to rules right
1:16:38you got it you gotta play lots of
1:16:39nickelback on the radio they have lost
1:16:41about this John that's why people like
1:16:42Sloan their first we're forced to all
1:16:45right you know it's incontrovertible
1:16:48body was murdered and go yeah but man
1:16:57you know I've been back for and this is
1:17:00an important day because it's around two
1:17:01weeks now we've been back from the
1:17:03cruise
1:17:03yeah and i still miss the gravy
1:17:06it's one thing that's one thing I I
1:17:11don't have anybody to talk to about this
1:17:13and I'm so glad that you said that
1:17:15yeah my whole life up until just very
1:17:19recently if I just had a hot tray of
1:17:24gravy on the stove at all times and no
1:17:28matter what the meal was if it was kraft
1:17:31dinner if it was fried chicken
1:17:34if it was and noodles and butter
1:17:37I mean all the great foods if I could
1:17:40just on my way to the table
1:17:42stop at the at the hot tray no question
1:17:46and put two ladles of gravy on it huh
1:17:48life would have been so much better and
1:17:50then you get on a cruise ship and they
1:17:51got like four kinds of grapes so much
1:17:53gravy and they have great they have a
1:17:55great for every meal the sausage gravy i
1:17:57see John I realized this in the nineties
1:18:00i realized i think it was before I
1:18:02realized that if I ever became
1:18:04successful which I have not but if I
1:18:06ever did and I had the means i would
1:18:09have it my one like like stupid like I
1:18:11think to do is I would have sort of like
1:18:14a drink machine at a 7-eleven something
1:18:16along those lines probably a bespoke
1:18:18product built to the purpose for me but
1:18:21it would be a gravy serving phone i
1:18:23would be able to have hot like a like a
1:18:25white sausage gravy right you get a
1:18:27brown like a like a mashed-potato kind
1:18:30of gravy you want to want chunks in your
1:18:31sausage grilled it was not a lot not a
1:18:33lot but enough
1:18:35yeah yeah it should be a little bit
1:18:36substantial right
1:18:37it's not gonna come out smooth thick
1:18:39round brown gravy for your best potato
1:18:41that's right that's right and handsome
1:18:42as you
1:18:43I'm gonna want to have a new one that I
1:18:45don't know if you've gotten into your
1:18:46head maitre d better now but it's not
1:18:49what
1:18:49well if I ever go to a steakhouse I feel
1:18:52like skipping some people maitre d 10
1:18:54i'll say those walks could be very long
1:18:56mr but you I know what you make it home
1:18:59to get a couple sticks of butter put in
1:19:01three teaspoons of fresh lemon juice
1:19:02little bit of a little bit salt little
1:19:05bit of pepper and then you let congeal i
1:19:08put in like a ziplock bag and so they
1:19:10can squeeze it out like a pastry thing
1:19:12and you put that on a steak brother you
1:19:14have never had anything like it
1:19:15now seen out to me that would be part of
1:19:16the gramophone oh IC put it on the steak
1:19:19steak is good for everything it's like
1:19:21extra salty butter with lemon in it and
1:19:24boy is it ever said to me
1:19:25still I can't seem to say if I become
1:19:27successful not looking great right now
1:19:29but if it ever does happen
1:19:31greater no Merlin never know life is
1:19:32long although not very long
1:19:34well I want to yoga if i did i do the
1:19:36general most fucking clothes on
1:19:37so you're saying like a 44 nipple gravy
1:19:41found four apertures it might come from
1:19:43above it might be like on hoses like an
1:19:45oil change place where you pull it down
1:19:47just a sport right on the white ones the
1:19:50white ones no-brainer
1:19:51that's that boy I'll tell you ever have
1:19:53one burger you have water probably
1:19:54always sure you got to order order off
1:19:56the menu at whataburger order also they
1:19:58do great breakfast they had taquitos and
1:20:00they got a really good good sausage
1:20:02gravy so something like I think I'm
1:20:04gonna go with sausage and go with brown
1:20:06I'm gonna go with those you said
1:20:08anything i'm missing now I'm not
1:20:10thinking not a tomato sauce tomato
1:20:12sauces and that's a day-to-day sauce for
1:20:13me it's not a big deal it's not a thing
1:20:15that you want in a tube well yeah it's
1:20:17not something where i would not find
1:20:18myself as I'm walking to the table
1:20:20putting tomato sauce on things i would
1:20:21put sausage gravy on virtually
1:20:23everything well you know what you know
1:20:24what I'm going to say I'm gonna say
1:20:25cheese sauce
1:20:26Oh where's your cheese sauce cheese
1:20:29sauce would be nice and now we also just
1:20:30be nice like through the evening
1:20:31enjoying some TV with your family took a
1:20:33little cheesy sauce
1:20:34well so here's the thing about cheese
1:20:36sauce right you got to have you got it
1:20:37you want cheese sauce for your nachos
1:20:39yeah but you don't want to have to
1:20:43cheese sauces but you also have to have
1:20:46an on nacho cheese sauce for your welsh
1:20:48rarebit
1:20:49well what kind of gravies on well it's
1:20:52like it's like rabbits like cheese toast
1:20:54right yeah it's like it's like it's a
1:20:56sharp cheddar cheese
1:20:57oh god that sounds good right and you
1:21:00know of course the the meal that we make
1:21:01my special family meal is is a version
1:21:04of welsh rarebit it's like biscuits with
1:21:06ham and then uh and then a fried egg and
1:21:11then cheese sauce
1:21:13although i would enjoy that it's insane
1:21:16and you know you can put some thick ham
1:21:18on there you can put some thin ham
1:21:20that's a way I think the Windjammer has
1:21:23created unrealistic expectations so so
1:21:25you got your for cheat you got your for
1:21:27sauces here white gravy or brown gravy
1:21:29euros you and your was the fourth piece
1:21:32was cheese going to be a fourth now from
1:21:34for me
1:21:35cm on the bubble I'm going above the
1:21:37white in the brown I would introduce
1:21:38into almost every meal in the other
1:21:40sauce maybe don't butter sauce that's
1:21:41right there
1:21:42so for me I think i would i would take
1:21:44the butter sauce out i put a cheese
1:21:46sauce in there but it would be a tough
1:21:47it would have to be a non jalapeno
1:21:51flavored with cheese sauce and then i
1:21:53would just add the jalapeno flavored a
1:21:55nice cheese sauce not like some kind of
1:21:57industrial cheese no no not not a
1:21:59velveeta cheese butter cheese sauce
1:22:01that's very hard to keep from separate
1:22:03she's uh yeah and I mean I'm just
1:22:05imagine it you know maybe like when you
1:22:07work in a bar and you got the little
1:22:08spritzer you know for coke and so don't
1:22:10tell me is there is there is there a
1:22:14meal is there a plate that you think
1:22:17does not want a sauce know every meal
1:22:20could be improved with some kind of a
1:22:21sauce in fact it could make the meal
1:22:24I mean you take some very simple meals
1:22:26the kinds of fields were talking about
1:22:27noodles try that with some brown gravy
1:22:28on it and so good you know i'm saying so
1:22:30good when i was in college i would get
1:22:33to boil in a bag salsbury steak
1:22:36ah which were what fifty cents at the
1:22:39time that the sense of peace 22
1:22:42stouffer's boy in a bag Salisbury steaks
1:22:44i make a huge pot of noodles and just
1:22:47throw the Salisbury steaks and gravy in
1:22:49the in the pot of noodles sounds so good
1:22:51right now it's insane it's insanely good
1:22:53at 44 less than two dollars i could feed
1:22:57an army of one night
1:23:00myself I think it's still do i still
1:23:02want to keep chili special i don't think
1:23:03i want you know i guess you could get
1:23:05functionally it's something that's the
1:23:06technology no no that's a different
1:23:08thing I think you should keep it nice i
1:23:09think you should you should have some
1:23:10some nice canned chili that's easy
1:23:12enough to do and you wouldn't choose not
1:23:14a thing that you would well you put the
1:23:15cheese sticks of chili is a sauce chili
1:23:18is chili is the special special guests
1:23:21at dinner you know it's gonna be good
1:23:23with anybody but it but it is it is the
1:23:25center of the event for me
1:23:26right right now yeah I'm for me to like
1:23:29it it's sometimes i make a hot dog and
1:23:32put chili on it
1:23:33who but the focus is on the chili hot
1:23:36dogs just like it's like a topping
1:23:38except it's underneath em right so true
1:23:40right
1:23:41uh-huh and so I'm trying to think of a
1:23:44single thing that I would want that I
1:23:47wouldn't augment with one of those four
1:23:50so I think he's gonna put some sauces on
1:23:52other gravy's i think if you had like
1:23:54mesh video pretty good mashed potatoes
1:23:56butter mashed potatoes with brown gravy
1:23:57you put a little bit of sausage gravy on
1:23:59top of that i do this all I do this all
1:24:02the time i get a plate of food that you
1:24:04haven't already has a gravy or sauce and
1:24:06then I mean that I'm and I put a second
1:24:08so awesome i wouldn't last going to
1:24:10crease again I did it last night i
1:24:12ordered i was in it I was in a Thai
1:24:14restaurant i ordered a swimming Rama but
1:24:18in this restaurant for whatever reason
1:24:20they called showering Rama and I was
1:24:23like I died I wanted Rama to swim i
1:24:25don't want to ramas in a shower
1:24:27that's not an image i want but anyway so
1:24:29i ordered it and i use their own net
1:24:30nomenclature I didn't do the thing where
1:24:32I was like oh yeah can I get a baiting
1:24:34rama i didn't isolate now and i just
1:24:37said i would like showering Rama please
1:24:39and then I got uh then I got a pond name
1:24:44and I mixed the sauces oh brother put a
1:24:48little bit of the pond eh i'll let you
1:24:50know you let them let them touch in the
1:24:52middle and then you're having a you're
1:24:54having a peanut pond and party
1:25:00yes gravy's man kind of low energy low
1:25:07energy today are you feeling a little
1:25:08bit of a kind of low-energy I didn't
1:25:10like you want to be on the cruise don't
1:25:11you know my god fucking gravy every meal
1:25:15you just go through this great little
1:25:16fried eggs at first I was resistant to
1:25:18the little fridays just grab a Friday
1:25:20You Don't Know What You Don't Know Who
1:25:21friday they were really they felt kind
1:25:24of mass-produced which I put me off at
1:25:26first inventions like wow these are
1:25:27totally mass-produced i can just have a
1:25:29little over medium eggs any time haha
1:25:32who met incredible just gonna get one
1:25:34and that's I mean when I go to the
1:25:36grocery store and I see those uh
1:25:37hard-boiled eggs in a bag i just
1:25:40discovered these i went to my friend's
1:25:42place when Portland they go to costco
1:25:44and they buy a big thing of boiled eggs
1:25:46and bags and just eat them
1:25:47yeah and i was very specific that I was
1:25:50like that's not a thing that I like that
1:25:51there's no way that's ever actually been
1:25:53fresh that looks like it's got to be old
1:25:55and gross and I had like five of them
1:25:57you don't have to peel them use these
1:25:58eating eggs
1:25:59yeah they're just there and you can make
1:26:00a you can make a chopped salad and I
1:26:04gotta get that I gotta get ya
1:26:08maybe if I just kept a little bit of
1:26:09gravy on a low heat all day long
1:26:12you know little bit a little bit of
1:26:14sausage gravy all day long
1:26:15how do you think the rest of your family
1:26:16or two about them in the house would
1:26:17smell amazing
1:26:19I think it would say anything for a
1:26:21couple days immediately then on it just
1:26:26keeps getting better it tastes better on
1:26:27day three transaction is a reduction
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